From sfraves-return-151133-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 01 22:25:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12305 invoked by uid 1103); 1 Jul 2009 22:25:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12279 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2009 22:25:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <518647.47926.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <600009.48038.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:25:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New SFPD Chief Announced I'm wondering, with the new PD chief just being announced and all, if the boys on the beat haven't been stepping it up a bit to make it look like they're "busy." I've certainly been seeing a larger presence on the ground, and this included seeing *4* motorcycle cops in my bike ride from Valencia and 25th st to Harrison and 24th st. this morning. It's possible they're not interested in making it to the chopping block. Thoughts? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151134-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 01:15:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18853 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 01:15:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18830 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 01:15:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ukjacdcrp7gxcEF+5HSt/7IrykONTd4pV0mzsOUf4VI=; b=Hqfaco5I03I6wxOq1AmcPdLps9q7TftwDgQiJK+PajLhwo8UulKYcfCxANHwzxfOj0 nSJNg0kDvKFSZWir4zgXojWeFOyX25rEvovVpGyzxI1XpOIsg+70S1GBKnLY3ZpH0dax wEQwPA5XeUOGyUmT6ZSJrpVJvKYMI5Pme2EK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ZShqUCBvt6cT4PFiLYM+qS0HlxLfTbz8/2/p11SdDWGhhDsnZGRVk+rtv8WFCffL48 zmUg1Bs0dJJginz5V6FDVwHBzU20iAnWK8/g7t2ZImoMic0eabpGXzAq7JCgOau/hegY z9Rw9tAZgwQUP5gp+Z0S6R0TeuXN1P1w5Acco= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <518647.47926.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <600009.48038.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:15:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Luke 0.o" To: "J.C." Cc: sfraves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c2a4898fdc2046daec6a2 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New SFPD Chief Announced --0016e64c2a4898fdc2046daec6a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would make sense, with budgets all fucked up id be a bit worried about my job, specially if i was being a lazy blue badge toting mother**cker On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:25 PM, J.C. wrote: > I'm wondering, with the new PD chief just being announced and all, if > the boys on the beat haven't been stepping it up a bit to make it look > like they're "busy." I've certainly been seeing a larger presence on > the ground, and this included seeing *4* motorcycle cops in my bike > ride from Valencia and 25th st to Harrison and 24th st. this morning. > It's possible they're not interested in making it to the chopping > block. > > Thoughts? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0016e64c2a4898fdc2046daec6a2-- From sfraves-return-151135-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 07:57:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46991 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 07:57:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46967 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 07:57:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:57:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Know anyone looking for a sublet? There's a 2 month opportunity available in the 7 BR space that I live in. =A0Contact me for more details if you're looking or know of someone who is. Peace. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151136-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 09:42:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18759 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 09:42:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18723 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 09:42:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <100801.31864.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <100801.31864.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:43:00 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 Didn't notice many cuts. Ableton setup? On 6/7/09, Kevin James wrote: > I just added a new 2 hour and 45 minute deep house set. It was recorded > live yesterday 6/06/09 on my Faderwave Radio show. > > http://www.house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James/ > > Enjoy! > Kj --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151137-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 10:08:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61236 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 10:08:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61195 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 10:08:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <100801.31864.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:09:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 Oops. Scratch the Abelton comment. Still no cuts. though. :) On 7/2/09, J.C. wrote: > Didn't notice many cuts. Ableton setup? > > On 6/7/09, Kevin James wrote: >> I just added a new 2 hour and 45 minute deep house set. It was recorded >> live yesterday 6/06/09 on my Faderwave Radio show. >> >> http://www.house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James/ >> >> Enjoy! >> Kj > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151138-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 13:44:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83270 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 13:44:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83242 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 13:44:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1246542277; bh=ngNXWoku1ytpo0llq1iXwYww4RJdo5tKDLDoYBVgbHA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bUZKwzuQFgvFGLXAhuxLj69IRXNAzMiFe3iPV4iZ54HcvXBkTHMc32VzSheoreXzFy3x3NYyeL0iTema8ZqjWewKBZsTHMAAiUG7lrf53mfy6yp9c6GdvOmzaLG/ckY6l+JROA89t+kSn3mH4YQyrj4fQoQ3Xafg6VPEZGnPJpI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=h6B7PYYLeEryxTVyjPosm3Ms99V/5RPcbMKV6VttM63JfZ+mjndb+5CBKFd3u/zRMUmw741kgrVlubCf00NW4QxvVMCS2DB75YH7CyEpb5FozuhhRB17KwQePN7YXY0fi9dQ41cQ88jd6cep5zHlk+lNN0xnHG1bffwqmFwEWoo=; Message-ID: <139522.36037.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ql1vsagVM1k2kzbKGUJ6trxgQv3127WmvoEJslUky5yOwvkvDgBiPs4Db.VicLc8NCSz83BonYYFxQpWpMIE42vO2MnKbixIGVFraWRZVI21dR.qFn88i5rnkLp9dA2lruxuHwzsyrC5y0J39j2Fr5OMs1XTJ_5XN908Qt9QcwfXSo58fkth7vhoidssoDpFCz7yqTn_RQX_1Ep0.gtegr8zXSsh4ziFBC16iJhryIqMzCcCgQ.jGxOa_GQH43x5AhnT8QpN6simDSaE13cJjjJ0xcVE3OoCBTr_qvmGhA3jTZ184WtJgMtqrOqlMk06Ca7LK7P0GsKDjMF5HA7J7IjAQEbcdzk- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <100801.31864.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:44:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin James To: "J.C." , sfraves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1155474709-1246542277=:36037" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 --0-1155474709-1246542277=:36037 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, surprised to see this thread pop back up ... its a month old lol. =0A= =0AAnyways, no, no Ableton. Its a one take=A0live mix (no edits) that was r= ecorded live on my Faderwave Radio show. It was mixed on 3 Pioneer CDJ 1000= 's and a Rane MP/XP 2016 rotary + an isolator=A0.=A0=0A=0AThis is=A0what al= l my mixes are done on:=0Ahttp://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kevinjame= sphotos/?action=3Dview¤t=3DBoothcloseup.jpg=0A=0A=A0Dowload my latest= mixes here:=0Awww.house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James=0ANew mix added 6/07= /09 =0A=0A=0AWatch me spin live here Saturdays 3-5PM PST 6-8 EST=0Awww.stic= kam.com/faderwaveradio=0A=0A=0ABaba Booey!!! =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________= _________________=0AFrom: J.C. =0ATo: sfraves =0ASent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 3:09:19 AM=0ASubject: Re= : [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09=0A=0AOops.=A0 = Scratch the Abelton comment.=A0 Still no cuts. though. :)=0A=0AOn 7/2/09, J= .C. wrote:=0A> Didn't notice many cuts.=A0 Ableto= n setup?=0A>=0A> On 6/7/09, Kevin James wrote:=0A>= > I just added a new 2 hour and 45 minute deep house set. It was recorded= =0A>> live yesterday 6/06/09 on my Faderwave Radio show.=0A>>=0A>> http://w= ww.house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James/=0A>>=0A>> Enjoy!=0A>> Kj=0A>=0A=0A-= --------------------------------------------------------------------=0ATo u= nsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0AFor additional comm= ands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org=0A=0A=0A --0-1155474709-1246542277=:36037-- From sfraves-return-151139-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 16:12:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5206 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 16:12:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5185 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 16:12:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <139522.36037.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <100801.31864.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <139522.36037.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:13:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 LOL. A prime example of why gmail has it's email "beer goggles" setting. Too much wine. And then I was fooled by the initial smooth mixing. :) AND laptop DJs are a trigger issue for me these days; one of the main reasons I don't go out so much any more; bores me to death. So just consider yourself in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Could have been a drunk driving fatality under differing circumstances. ANYWAY, adding my appreciation of the mix and rebroadcasting it on KZSU right now. http://kzsulive.stanford.edu On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Kevin James wrote: > Wow, surprised to see this thread pop back up ... its a month old lol. > > Anyways, no, no Ableton. Its a one take=A0live mix (no edits) that was > recorded live on my Faderwave Radio show. It was mixed on 3 Pioneer CDJ > 1000's and a Rane MP/XP 2016 rotary + an isolator=A0. > > This is=A0what all my mixes are done on: > http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kevinjamesphotos/?action=3Dview&c= urrent=3DBoothcloseup.jpg > > Dowload my latest mixes here: > www.house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James > New mix added 6/07/09 > > Watch me spin live here Saturdays 3-5PM PST 6-8 EST > www.stickam.com/faderwaveradio > > Baba Booey!!! > > ________________________________ > From: J.C. > To: sfraves > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 3:09:19 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 > > Oops.=A0 Scratch the Abelton comment.=A0 Still no cuts. though. :) > > On 7/2/09, J.C. wrote: >> Didn't notice many cuts.=A0 Ableton setup? >> >> On 6/7/09, Kevin James wrote: >>> I just added a new 2 hour and 45 minute deep house set. It was recorded >>> live yesterday 6/06/09 on my Faderwave Radio show. >>> >>> http://www.house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James/ >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> Kj >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151140-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 16:55:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79298 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 16:55:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79255 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 16:55:31 -0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2423826c-9faa-4c97-a2bd-a84cedee43d5_" X-Originating-IP: [71.62.218.101] From: dj sinestro To: CC: , , sfraves Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:56:00 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <81b644e80907020943t35daa3f7rbdaf118fe6adee6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <81b644e80907020943t35daa3f7rbdaf118fe6adee6b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2009 16:56:01.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAC235C0:01C9FB35] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RE: [dcraves] RE: [sfraves] Sinestro's treat of the day --_2423826c-9faa-4c97-a2bd-a84cedee43d5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanx mang. Those were really good times back then (from what I can remember heh) again for those that don't have these here they are in fully restored great= sounding glory Deckmaster Pascal at the Vault on F street in Washington DC circa 1992 Phunctions Phit Phor Pharoahs was the name of the tape http://www.rehabrecords.net/sinestro/Music/DeckmasterPascalPharoesS2.mp3 http://www.rehabrecords.net/sinestro/Music/DeckmasterPascalPharoesS1.mp3 Sinestro ------------------------------------------------------------ I like large posteriors and I cannot prevaricate. www.rehabrecords.net www.myspace.com/djsinestro > From: ajayygupta@gmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 2 Jul 2009 12:43:01 -0400 > To: djsinestro@hotmail.com > CC: i1lsia.dc@gmail.com=3B dcraves@hyperreal.org=3B sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [dcraves] RE: [sfraves] Sinestro's treat of the day >=20 > this is sick as shit >=20 > all the track IDs you have=2C AT ALL=2C would be awesome! >=20 > On Fri=2C Jun 26=2C 2009 at 9:18 AM=2C dj sinestro wrote: > > > > Side 1 is now up and in much better condition > > > > http://www.rehabrecords.net/sinestro/Music/DeckmasterPascalPharoesS1.mp= 3 > > > > Sinestro > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > I like large posteriors and I cannot prevaricate. > > www.rehabrecords.net > > www.myspace.com/djsinestro > > > > > > > > > >> From: djsinestro@hotmail.com > >> To: i1lsia.dc@gmail.com > >> CC: dcraves@hyperreal.org=3B sfraves@hyperreal.org > >> Date: Thu=2C 25 Jun 2009 18:51:23 -0400 > >> Subject: RE: [dcraves] RE: [sfraves] Sinestro's treat of the day > >> > >> > >> Here is a better recorded version of that tape btw > >> I had Toby rerecord in sound forge and the quality is way way better > >> > >> side B > >> http://www.rehabrecords.net/sinestro/Music/DeckmasterPascalPharoesS2.m= p3 > >> > >> Sinestro > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> I like large posteriors and I cannot prevaricate. > >> www.rehabrecords.net > >> www.myspace.com/djsinestro > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Date: Thu=2C 25 Jun 2009 17:43:58 -0400 > >> > From: i1lsia.dc@gmail.com > >> > To: djsinestro@hotmail.com > >> > CC: dcraves@hyperreal.org=3B sfraves@hyperreal.org > >> > Subject: Re: [dcraves] RE: [sfraves] Sinestro's treat of the day > >> > > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyiPve4YHgGQ > >> > http://www.discogs.com/NASA-NASA-EP/release/231996 > >> > > >> > ^^ let me see let me see dance (1999) > >> > I have this somewhere on a minidisc in HQ i think but ... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu=2C Jun 25=2C 2009 at 3:59 PM=2C dj sinestro wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I know the very first track is this one > >> > > http://www.discogs.com/X-102-OBX-A/release/18481 > >> > > cause I still play it out =3B-) > >> > > > >> > > the very last track is > >> > > http://www.discogs.com/Terrorize-Its-Just-A-Feeling/release/156056 > >> > > > >> > > I know a couple others that I will name shortly if anyone wants to= jump in > >> > > as well (Tzeech?) > >> > > I especially want to know the name of the "let me see dance 1999" = track > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Sinestro > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > > >> > > I like large posteriors and I cannot prevaricate. > >> > > www.rehabrecords.net > >> > > www.myspace.com/djsinestro > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Date: Thu=2C 25 Jun 2009 10:19:08 -0700 > >> > > > From: dougm@kzsu.stanford.edu > >> > > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >> > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Sinestro's treat of the day > >> > > > > >> > > > Sounding good so far! Track listings would be great indeed! > >> > > > > >> > > > On Thu=2C Jun 25=2C 2009 at 9:49 AM=2C dj sinestro > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Today's treat is brought to you from Toby Roberts in Arizona. > >> > > > > He found an old Vault tape from 1992 and recorded it down to p= ut on the > >> > > internets for us to download and enjoy. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > For those that weren't around=2C The Vault was located on F st= reet right > >> > > next to the 5th column and was (along with Tracks and 5th column) = one of the > >> > > first clubs to play techno. > >> > > > > This tape was a huge influence on my early beginnings as a DJ= =2C because > >> > > it was literally the only mixtape out there for a year(mixtapes we= re really > >> > > really hard to come by back then). > >> > > > > The quality is kinda crappy=2C but the tape is really old so y= ou can't > >> > > expect too much here=2C however the music was groundbreaking back = then. > >> > > > > btw=2C if anyone wants to play "lets figure out the names of t= hese > >> > > tracks" let me know. I have a couple of em=2C but would love to kn= ow the names > >> > > of the rest of the tunes. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The tape is by Deckmaster Pascal and it's called Phunctions Ph= it Phor > >> > > Pharoahs > >> > > > > > >> > > > > www.rehabrecords.net/sinestro/Music/PharaoesS2.mp3 > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Sinestro > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I like large posteriors and I cannot prevaricate. > >> > > > > www.rehabrecords.net > >> > > > > www.myspace.com/djsinestro > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________= ___ > >> > > > > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. > >> > > > > > >> > > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_= WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 > >> > > > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------= ----- > >> > > > To unsubscribe=2C e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > > > For additional commands=2C e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. > >> > > > >> > > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_= WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 > >> > > > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. > >> http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_06= 2009 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that=92s right for you. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=3Dftp_val_wl_290 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe=2C e-mail: dcraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands=2C e-mail: dcraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009= --_2423826c-9faa-4c97-a2bd-a84cedee43d5_-- From sfraves-return-151141-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 17:53:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79269 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 17:53:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79222 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 17:53:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:53:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Estioko X-X-Sender: terry@taz3 To: Kevin James cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <139522.36037.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090702105215.D7770@taz3> References: <100801.31864.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <139522.36037.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-299263574-1246557228=:7770" X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 --0-299263574-1246557228=:7770 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Kevin James wrote: This is what all my mixes are done on: http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kevinjamesphotos/?action=view¤t=Boothcloseup.jpg Jeezus KJ, that's sick! Build the cabinet yourself? -terry --0-299263574-1246557228=:7770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-299263574-1246557228=:7770-- From sfraves-return-151142-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 17:56:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83582 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 17:55:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83214 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 17:55:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/Ck+GEsj9P97WbKY9SboaBHcqlmsef3+8nP3r8B8yBc=; b=k49fQeFDHqlAWl01PgDxqQlidtAAQUseuhhZc+pHNC9+/nx7k25GyN6DytFT8LUIOX vCIzKxiNFirm/I0/RO1G8XVoHW8nVZ9TKHy6ZGc46m3y1wsltDl+4IVRDpWWE/Oi2hS+ 9LKZc3HQci9CRmwao8+RFlo3No1rCtQXfrGwU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=K1MGOH6VmC8QojNalrKpxZK3x6I/EwKEp8QSunF9Lx/aHcmzaMjfcOuQU8lrGQbiGB t95j5iS6Hh1cdOO9CU9pDQ0xtNqzDgQrEr37IY5HYk75Mo1cVRXqNWIseHwSfqJ09ukL 9npL+3W/kUnLKBOm4Kn3viWb24XjORp9Tud7Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20090702105215.D7770@taz3> References: <100801.31864.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <139522.36037.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20090702105215.D7770@taz3> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:56:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: Terry Estioko Cc: Kevin James , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d8e6612754046dbcc11c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 --00163646d8e6612754046dbcc11c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +1... thats freaking awesome On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Terry Estioko wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Kevin James wrote: > > This is what all my mixes are done on: > > http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kevinjamesphotos/?action=view¤t=Boothcloseup.jpg > > Jeezus KJ, that's sick! Build the cabinet yourself? > > -terry > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --00163646d8e6612754046dbcc11c-- From sfraves-return-151143-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 18:01:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93605 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 18:01:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93572 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 18:01:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1246557732; bh=CaROjGXA7/JWvwW8hUhv+k1v1wGRG5RuXARdrmpnC4U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=12aI+CMyig1BsAJ2wM8eeOcCNDEtiXDaTtZSxdTqaaX168y0wAfXOky5Searx0BhjWOm2QkXsELChiWDkIO0xsIhEgxPZLZnGMcHjRxOr7zPUHtMPvWoqjV0ZuJaB17nS1cilbFtUX/8vCJnBoeQhOMgjf39jh5nBeWmDL48MFc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4KLOspDhCeVQ+WbU6ge0RauTGInf1r6ffCrt4rVHIv938W5iBOwt4aUFHjKrRf7j5ESZcP7rek3STGkTv5cIz8KVblXOamtx9tkzrKJM6tbPRgNfJO8emEMswvG3c3KJI+JAZt2zN84YBYRoBlPK5VCl5RXuaPzUxmHI47+V+CM=; Message-ID: <475042.33526.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OGQrSHYVM1lUfySqdTzcjgUvHvP0Nygrc0Kc57dx4vbsZP2k6OR0G32nmPZaX.7UDn2WaN5zQy80KPx4UiMku4va7aojCRfBuZcbI1Aja4xQaLXeBsGZRkqR99nCZje0jGiljTXNksv9ZdvwEDtNAEv5O3tKh9DAANXAQ8nj1TeaSq.d9HvOX7lrJ.tZSmwL_sr7UNTMVQ6vnWdyeMJdik7XsQ41VtRhLovNOI5yolUuJxjpYhMzhd7pNtiE5wKuvuU6.7JXHtBIM5kGNHSAYfyBqJY0ymPMJBNHGKLoWKNcmygcjylvC_5vLaKz0TilCqq5wzPcAB0g6DOPAQoEyZwAxzbBliAnv6aOc9Mwpss- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:02:12 -0700 (PDT) From: MOJO To: Terry Estioko , Matt Stone Cc: Kevin James , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 mmmmmm +2 that just made me smile - BEAUTIFUL!!! --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Matt Stone wrote: > From: Matt Stone > Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 > To: "Terry Estioko" > Cc: "Kevin James" , sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 10:56 AM > +1... thats freaking awesome > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Terry Estioko > wrote: > > > On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Kevin James wrote: > > > > This is what all my mixes are done on: > > > > http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kevinjamesphotos/?action=view¤t=Boothcloseup.jpg > > > > Jeezus KJ, that's sick! Build the cabinet yourself? > > > > -terry > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151144-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 19:39:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52762 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 19:39:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52737 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 19:39:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <475042.33526.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <475042.33526.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:40:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 +3. SICK! On 7/2/09, MOJO wrote: > > mmmmmm +2 that just made me smile - BEAUTIFUL!!! > > --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Matt Stone wrote: > > > From: Matt Stone > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 > > > To: "Terry Estioko" > > Cc: "Kevin James" , sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 10:56 AM > > > +1... thats freaking awesome > > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Terry Estioko > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Kevin James wrote: > > > > > > This is what all my mixes are done on: > > > > > > http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kevinjamesphotos/?action=view¤t=Boothcloseup.jpg > > > > > > Jeezus KJ, that's sick! Build the cabinet yourself? > > > > > > -terry > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151145-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 02 20:35:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34352 invoked by uid 1103); 2 Jul 2009 20:35:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34326 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 20:35:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1246566954; bh=lgd2KeYXgWLfGcUxz89feCBX5kdFlFAdUqLXB5au9/k=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W9Yrb1pRtVcHa3tOVWjQWWSmP6PJKOv5MiAM2o7/1sSRbP2N2p2b+k+WN4mx+QOtG1fl7X45yxKBfEWU+hUUhVeSmmQqrHIEtT0B2B3waKahvO6ewlupZd7QGWV3dCeIWOKpwcy+t/tKsgA+UiIM8jER6oHUavUELuPkZLNTZNc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i+NwxLoHqURlde1+jioqgM7GPfE6oQ89W5lMR7XMdwWZiHBs7QuZ/WS2iuSvr4aLO3Zzit/2ZAXCddM4YlXZHFDYvvXiG0Jw9yjVJyekDcROuHJ/u5eBDQSfYlPobIQLFYjY2ICzohokyfs/a8DDNwxcy9FM7OU1NnznWR/zx6s=; Message-ID: <805042.97852.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: MS3L9hYVM1k4BIUMvchPsQUP2YunuKSeOeBfBc3xZOTsbCUtxFrQHL8w.bqcdLH5BE6udygeuTDtPLWomGQ8UimFuabonR4OeJu32_PdDZY749m_fN793DN0N7HXyS2spsaG4OMCt8x6WQxW2YL4vDURQmv4ChqRkr85oi7SgWwiANs22hTBTDd6R.E7ZR9Tg9g53WiIZ_d46wcMfcGhkTPvbuM8ab1_W3xcSF3Iuyg1PcWdDJL2YfPIXxjlzDAiS3rOAfsHs3Ju6nr8ZISdKaASHodlZT5IDnCIC2uA1_lyWBYpCw_v7V7ZlT_K8wwmmWa1V_QTKIOf1WEZx.aeKxOtiMt31w-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <475042.33526.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: "J.C." , sfraves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 Wow! ----- Original Message ---- From: J.C. To: sfraves Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:40:16 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 +3. SICK! On 7/2/09, MOJO wrote: > > mmmmmm +2 that just made me smile - BEAUTIFUL!!! > > --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Matt Stone wrote: > > > From: Matt Stone > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 > > > To: "Terry Estioko" > > Cc: "Kevin James" , sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 10:56 AM > > > +1... thats freaking awesome > > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Terry Estioko > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Kevin James wrote: > > > > > > This is what all my mixes are done on: > > > > > > http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kevinjamesphotos/?action=view¤t=Boothcloseup.jpg > > > > > > Jeezus KJ, that's sick! Build the cabinet yourself? > > > > > > -terry > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151146-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 03 02:02:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32683 invoked by uid 1103); 3 Jul 2009 02:02:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32659 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 02:02:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1246586593; bh=Qye5kTgA8C7k+OPbbwtXvVn2DEyG0NRgAAoEAlx9v7A=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5Z0LIb89NsNU1nn/c3KXaH0xsE5hw7aU5TSf2kCsTGCJALbjamxVWYt3ST8kuY5pcAlXVB1j7oFPSnus8Tf4VjqhRs50Te5CipqlxTPtCreCRW8mKIHYNeSrq0g/N0DuI8CezzluVmrI0caLeIdECKlsy6e8PuL8qAVK8UDhEJU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YWxmY5favsn30JXXHZ5rIcBcpjQ2yktcITc1nkgDoMX75N1GIY+eenilcTwGYn5psyVibGmuxaDtl4mF75AuYhmEJ6KvqvbynM8pTP3vE2ZGQZLOXONBm6R/gBWMIYnvVunQDgAE5kYu8sDyvSdyUCUcc8s73a1jJFcCmnYecQQ=; Message-ID: <104970.11422.qm@web52011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sFq5ib4VM1mcXgIYPOUaftjjeh1l2UP06qDvspEEjMWbzdzOio1hHDXQt3WS05rguU0gXaqr30zY_LK2VFB4AhxBKD8S1g727H8otAPKZvlFIyonUIbyznWpEQTHtLLIZpe7Lk6ckbqbMoMspCNFKFTL3uCH55QMlKGtg3RKcd_7iOK8DUtT08DfV95OXXx4DM6OFEg0h4RvNtiJ.heBaaoqMgUiaGN5VzHl2otB7gj8nYJiU6f9_BPktqdpaRciB158v61sPba_ZO0v2O9PM6SBOQtnEWYOV4n.LpalqiwX9_Yu0Sfkklh4V7VuDPTmQuFPm2wkgIXIUx1j X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <475042.33526.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <805042.97852.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin James To: sfraves In-Reply-To: <805042.97852.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-228918520-1246586592=:11422" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09 --0-228918520-1246586592=:11422 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't wanna clog up the list with replies so I'll do it in one shot.=0A=0A= =A0First of all thanks for all the kind words guys. Glad you like it :) (Th= at goes for the console and hopefully the mix too :p)=0A=0AJC: I'd like to = thank you for playing the mix on KZSU this morning. That was a really cool = little surprise. I appreciate the support very much.=0A=0ATerry: No,=A0I di= d not build that myself. If I had it would probably be seriously lop sided = and would be falling apart... I'm no wood worker lol. I had it professional= y=A0built by DualSF. It was a fully custom build from the ground up and to = my exact specifications. =0A=0AJose Padilla: Yes, I=A0still listen to Howar= d daily.... and Bubba The Love Spong too for that matter. I am a Howard 101= junkie lol Baba Booey!!!!=0A=A0Dowload my latest mixes here:=0Awww.house-m= ixes.com/artists/Kevin_James=0ANew mix added 6/07/09 =0A=0A=0AWatch me spin= live here Saturdays 3-5PM PST 6-8 EST=0Awww.stickam.com/faderwaveradio=0A= =0A=0ABaba Booey!!! =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:= "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" =0ATo: J.C. ; sfraves =0ASent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 1:= 35:54 PM=0ASubject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set = 6/06/09=0A=0A=0AWow!=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: J.C. =0ATo: sfraves =0ASent: Thurs= day, July 2, 2009 12:40:16 PM=0ASubject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House)= Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09=0A=0A+3.=A0 SICK!=0A=0AOn 7/2/09, MOJO wrote:=0A>=0A>=A0 mmmmmm +2 that just made me smile - BEAUTIF= UL!!!=0A>=0A>=A0 --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Matt Stone = wrote:=0A>=0A>=A0 > From: Matt Stone =0A>=0A> >= Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix (Deep House) Faderwave Radio set 6/06/09=0A= >=0A> > To: "Terry Estioko" =0A>=A0 > Cc: "Kevin James= " , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>=A0 > Date: Thursday, = July 2, 2009, 10:56 AM=0A>=0A> > +1... thats freaking awesome=0A>=A0 >=0A>= =A0 > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Terry Estioko = =0A>=A0 > wrote:=0A>=A0 >=0A>=A0 > > On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Kevin James wrote:= =0A>=A0 > >=0A>=A0 > > This is what all my mixes are done on:=0A>=A0 > >=0A= >=A0 > > http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kevinjamesphotos/?action= =3Dview=A4t=3DBoothcloseup.jpg=0A>=A0 > >=0A>=A0 > > Jeezus KJ, that's sick= ! Build the cabinet yourself?=0A>=A0 > >=0A>=A0 > > -terry=0A>=A0 > >=0A>= =A0 > >=0A>=A0 > ----------------------------------------------------------= -----------=0A>=A0 > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperrea= l.org=0A>=A0 > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.or= g=0A>=A0 > >=0A>=A0 >=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=A0 ------------------------------= ---------------------------------------=0A>=A0 To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfra= ves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>=A0 For additional commands, e-mail: sfrav= es-help@hyperreal.org=0A>=0A>=0A=0A----------------------------------------= -----------------------------=0ATo unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe= @hyperreal.org=0AFor additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.or= g=0A=0A--------------------------------------------------------------------= -=0ATo unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0AFor additio= nal commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org=0A=0A=0A --0-228918520-1246586592=:11422-- From sfraves-return-151147-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 03 02:49:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82013 invoked by uid 1103); 3 Jul 2009 02:49:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81981 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 02:49:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 731795.33258.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: Y5mGOJYVM1mkQLGPS14y2HX4adXmfS9ppbmxePgfwf3_0CRH8i8A6IAjCb.a9QGE0K3AkhxS6OjHazDGny58QBiVJObMieDNZzaBW3E5nH77XYuLVF1ptWX3rGLhbBEbwR8aH_I_59GrhvJYLJqpVuNgSm0aCpSJh7hu_VayerjpZRuZj153dewxfqiARuevjfdiLubEw4gGp4LL.Kxe1WvLlMBx0U8No6iIA192UBuuf_3d.pAcJk0nOwpZy5lTSbwzANK3B.bdO2fyHFIb5I7RXS5swGEM8qDxt6ND.saC5wIAQp0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Andrew Phelan" To: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:49:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c9fb88$e677ba60$6402a8c0@apo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acn7iOZFr4NRA7GcSAy+VazqBevuvA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Prismatic @ Shine Friday Friday, July 3rd join us at Shine for: "Prismatic" Featuring some of San Francisco's top local talent, representing Back 2 Basics, Dinner Party, Deep Blue, Prismatic, Corporate Scandals and Essential Nightlife: Andrew Phelan George Cochrane Bo Raoul Kahn Martin Aquino Carlos Tinos Shine 1337 Mission (btwn 9th + 10th) 9PM-2AM / $5 before 11, $10 after --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151148-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 06 16:43:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20101 invoked by uid 1103); 6 Jul 2009 16:43:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20076 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 16:43:09 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on bit.tuplemovers.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:37 +0000 From: "Holt Sorenson" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: Mail::SendEasy/1.2 Perl/5.010000-linux Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20090706163726.E19EFF84DB@bit.tuplemovers.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Me mixing live, right now\! 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[KONTROL] w/ Berghain's Marcel Dettmann + Marcel Fengler --0016361e84484a5142046e1a6b67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable K, just had to give some public props to Greg and the [kontrol] gang for this one. There's been a lot of minimal tech house in the SF techno scene lately, Saturday wasn't one of those nights. :) Dettman's set was amazing. He started with some classic acid house, 90's detroit minimal and chicago sounds, and built his 2 hour set into new sound= s that told the story of where they came from and where they think they're going. Flawless victory (and also his first serato set? since he couldn't bring his vinyl with him on the flight -- impressive)! The "other Marcel," Sasha, and Lenny were also outstanding. Sorry Lenny ha= d to split his set into shorter halves, but come on, even for an all night party it was a lot of DJs to bring out. :) Nice one, Greg. Good to see some of the old heads come out, too (Hi AndyW!). May not have been as crowded as the last couple months, but frankly I liked that, too. Actually was able to work my way onto the dance floor for a couple hours. It seemed like you had a solid crowd without having it so insanely packed that no one could move around. -R. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Greg Bird wrote: > Saturday, the 4th of July, 2009 > > [ K O N T R O L ] > > minimal techno + avant house > every 1st Saturday at The Endup > > > > featuring from Berlin: > > MARCEL DETTMANN > > (Berghain . Hard Wax . Ostgut Ton . MDR) > (Rekids . B-Pitch Control . Spectral Sound) > > and: > > MARCEL FENGLER > > (Berghain . Ostgut Ton . Vidab) > > Berlin's famed Berghain club (just downstairs from Panoramabar) is not on= ly > regarded as one of the hottest on Earth, but has also been called the > "techno capital of the world". Nearly synonymous with the club is it's > prized resident Marcell Dettmann, whose undeniable talent for moving danc= e > floors resulted in Resident Advisor editors naming his "Berghain 2" CD th= e > #1 mix of 2008 and its readers voting him the #11 DJ in the world. Joini= ng > him is fellow Berghain resident and rising star Marcel Fengler, who may n= ot > yet have the same recognition worldwide, but can certainly go toe to toe > with the world's best when it comes to rocking a dancefloor. Prepare for = an > evening deep and heady, dark and dirty grooves direct from the epicenter = of > modern techno. > > > > with special guests: > > SASHA BRAVERMAN (Crossroads : Houston) > > LENNY DE LA POSSO (Thema . Neoday . Sound Noir : NYC) > > > and [KONTROL] residents: > > CRAIG KUNA (Platform . ESDJCO) > NIKOLA BAYTALA (S.W.A.T. . Robsoul . Junior Boys Own) > SAMMY D (Classic . Dirtybird . Magnificent 7) > ALLAND BYALLO (Nightlight . Auralism . Leibe*Detail) > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > The ENDUP > 401 6th St @ Harrison, SF > 10pm - 6am / 21+ / $15 after > http://www.theendup.com > > FREE before 11pm! > > ____________________________________________________ > > > [KONTROL] on MySpace: > http://www.myspace.com/kontrolsf > > Flyer front: > http://www.kontrolsf.com/K49/K49F.jpg > > Flyer back: > http://www.kontrolsf.com/K49/K49B.jpg > > Poster: > http://www.kontrolsf.com/K49/K49P.jpg > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > MARCEL DETTMANN > > Born on the 26th of October 1977 in P=F6ssneck (Th=FCringen). > > Three hours ago he had caught the last train after a gig in Leipzig, > heading > for his set in Berlin the very same night. But Dettmann missed to get off= =96 > and suddenly has found himself stuck at dead end Hamburg main station: no > trains till morning, no one to call for a ride. Promptly =96 and without = any > hesitation about the ridiculous charge =96 he hires a cab, having only on= e > thing in mind: Berlin, Berghain, the Club=85 > > Consequently nothing but the Club as a musical and cultural lifeworld for= ms > and defines the life of Marcel Dettmann, who was born in the GDR in 1977 > and > raised with east-german youth culture. Influenced by EBM and Wave he face= s > the offspring of virgin Techno in early nineties=92s Berlin and gets > socialized with this new-born subcultural scene, whose way of life he sha= ll > live and develop until today. On the one hand, he has spun records since > 1994 including residency continuum at Berlin=92s Ostgut/Berghain right fr= om > its opening in 1999. On the other, Dettmann started to produce and releas= e > tracks and remixes in 2006. Beside Ostgut Ton first and foremost his > self-run label MDR provides the necessary and appropriate outlet: no > compromise, free, independent, facilitating the =93quest for the optimal > track=94. His engagement at Berlin=92s Technosaur Hard Wax also supports = his > innate quest: the continuous exploration of electronic music development. > > Dettmann=92s persistent reply to inquiries on his DJ-style =96 no doubts = about > its foundational and just natural club-oriented functionality =96 simply = and > sparsely reads =93dark=94 and =93the dark side=94. At a closer look this = brings to > light a certain fascination in Techno: a futuristic medium inherently > pointing towards the new and unseen, unexplored and unknown, undefined an= d > unexpected. > > For Dettmann Techno depicts a determination of both his life and music. A= t > the same time it opens up the needed space to develop thoughts, actions a= nd > creations. Eventually Dettmann is having only this space in mind: Berlin, > Berghain, the Club=85 > > Marcel Dettmann is one of the local residents of the Berlin club Berghain= . > > He also runs the label Marcel Dettman Records. > > > =3D=3D=3D> LINKS: > > MySpace (with music samples): > http://www.myspace.com/marceldettmann > > Website: > http://www.berghain.de > > Discography: > http://www.discogs.com/artist/marcell%20dettmann > > Resident Advisor feature "Marcel Dettmann: Peak Time": > http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1020 > > =3D=3D=3D> AUDIO: > > Marcel Dettmann's Resident Advisor Mix: > http://www.kontrolsf.com/K49/marcel_dettmann_-_resident_advisor_135.mp3 > > RA Mix writeup + interview: > http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=3D135 > > =3D=3D=3D> VIDEO: > > Marcel Dettmann - Live in Minneapolis, January 2009: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DihUagnuvB3Y > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwCzIbi_W7Yo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUhgfVQ0rA3Q > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-LEli6mX1mg > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > MARCEL FENGLER > > The musical influences of Marcel Fengler present themselves double tracke= d. > His early teenager years are stamped by HipHop from crews like NWA, Gang > Starr and A Tribe called Quest, who have been his undisputed heroes. Even > today, Fengler spins some HipHop, but only in private. > > His interest in electronic music on the other hand has been inspired by > continuous experiences in Berlin based techno clubs like E-Werk in the > early > 90s. The heavy, progressive synth- and acid sounds of this era still wiel= d > some magical power on Fengler today. > > "As the musical range today is vaster than ever, it is really important t= o > me in which context I=92m playing out my records. That=92s why I love > traditional labels like Planet E, Axis or Music Man and artists like Ron > Trent, Kenny Larkin and Robert Hood as much as I like contemporary artist= s > like Appleblim or DJ Qu." > > Since the mid 90s, Marcel played at "Club im Park", a youth club in > F=FCrstenwalde, where he later launched a party series called "SC 93" > together > with Marcel Dettmann. In 1997 he started to play at Berlin=92s Tresor amo= ng > other clubs and when Berghain openend in 2004, he became a resident on bi= g > techno floor. In 2007 he released his first own record on Ostgut-Ton. > > "It is important to me that music tells kind of a story using varied styl= es > from all eras. That=92s why I favour to build my sets up, then down again= . It > has to be varied and it has to snake through the night in waves." > > In 2007 Marcel has started to produce his own music as well. His tracks a= nd > remixes are directly influenced by the heavy Techno sound of the Berghain= . > His complex drum sounds and his generally rough sound design connect > seamlessly to his often more than five hour long DJ sets. > > > =3D=3D=3D> LINKS: > > MySpace (with music samples): > http://www.myspace.com/marcelfengler > > Discography: > http://www.discogs.com/artist/Marcel%20Fengler > > Interview: > http://mnmlssg.blogspot.com/2009/01/chatting-with-marcel-fengler.html > > =3D=3D=3D> AUDIO: > > Exclusive mix and interview for MNML SSGS, November 2008: > http://mnmlssg.blogspot.com/2008/11/mnml-ssgs-mx14-marcel-fengler.html > > =3D=3D=3D> VIDEO: > > Marcel Fengler on Berghain/Panoramabar Show @ Berlin Mitte Institute: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfSo_JR6RIGU > > Marcel Fengler @ Sundown Beach Club - Feb 2009: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5ib-3r9k_dI > > > ___________________________________________________ > > > SASHA BRAVERMAN > > Originally from the New York area, Sasha Braverman has been involved in > underground dance music since 1993. As a member of F.E.S.P. productions, = a > DJ collective and production company formed in the early 90s, he promoted > dance music as an event coordinator, DJ and graphic designer. In 1996, > Sasha > relocated to Pittsburgh to attend Carnegie Mellon University to study > Industrial Design. > > While in Pittsburgh, Sasha gained valuable experience as a professional D= J. > Performing at numerous events throughout the Pittsburgh-Cleveland and > northeast areas, he was featured among some of the most prominent DJs and > producers in techno including; Marco Carola, Billy Nasty, Juan Atkins, > Daniel Bell, Chris Liberator, Adam X, and Anthony =91Shake=92 Shakir. For= 3 > years running, Sasha's radio show on WRCT Pittsburgh 88.3FM soaked the > Pittsburgh airwaves with underground dance music and featured numerous > international guest DJs. > > In 2000 Sasha relocated to Houston, TX and while establishing himself amo= ng > the dance music culture in Texas, began to explore new sounds and > directions > as a DJ. Focusing on the deeper sounds of techno, house and electro, Sash= a > has stayed at the forefront of the minimal explosion while maintaing an > affinity for his early Detroit and European techno incluences. Joining > forces w/ Henry Chow (Zenit, Masterplan), Andrei Morant (Planet Rhythm, > Scope) and other local artists, he has promoted events focusing on minima= l > house and techno. Recent guests have included live performances by Maetri= k, > Lee Curtiss, Agaric and DJ sets by Tim Xavier, Daniel Bell, Jeff Samuel a= nd > Audion. Recent DJ appearances include opening sets for Richie Hawtin, > Justin > Martin and Mikael Stav=F6strand. > > Currently a resident at Crossroads Fridays and Rekliner, a monthly event = at > Houston=92s unique Downtown lounge, Dean=92s Credit Clothing, Sasha also = makes > frequent guest appearances at clubs and events throughout Texas. > > > =3D=3D=3D> LINKS: > > MySpace: > http://www.myspace.com/sasha901 > > =3D=3D=3D> AUDIO: > > Sasha Braverman - Manifesto Communique 002: > > http://www.readthemanifesto.com/music/Manifesto_Communique_002-Sasha_Brav= erman.mp3 > > > ___________________________________________________ > > > LENNY DE LA POSSO > > Leonardo de la Posso has been involved in New York City's underground mus= ic > scene since 1991, first as a dancer at some of the hottest underground > clubs > in NYC at the time (Red Zone, Quicks, Soul Kitchen, Tunnel, Mars, Japans, > Engine Room, Sound Factory) By the mid nineties he had taken up the > incurable habit of Djing and amassing a library of vinyl to be proud of. > Lenny's name is on several of these releases as he has designed for a sle= w > of labels from around the world. He has also started several successful > weekly and bi-monthly parties (Composition, MILQ ~pre robots~, Rebel-also > one of the resident DJ's for the successful PHONO events), where he DJ's > alongside numerous respected international and local artists in the > electronic underground music scene. His motivation lies in the pursuit to > positively engage the audience with the most current and obscure sounds o= f > today, as well as yesterday. Never forget your past or you will never kno= w > where to go in the future. > > Currently he started a record label coming out of Brooklyn, NYC, called > Thema. The essence of Thema is to create a multi-artist platform to help > cultivate the scene here in NYC and and its presence in the underground > international circuit; to establish a label that focus' on the progressio= n > of forward thinking electronic music with like minded individuals from > around the world. > > > =3D=3D=3D> LINKS: > > Website: > www.neoday.net > > MySpace: > http://www.myspace.com/lposso > www.myspace.com/themarecodings > > =3D=3D=3D> AUDIO: > > Lenny de la Posso - City Life > http://www.neoday.net/site/audio/audio_mix.php?id=3D157 > > > ___________________________________________________ > > > http://www.kontrolsf.com > --0016361e84484a5142046e1a6b67-- From sfraves-return-151150-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 07 20:52:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21837 invoked by uid 1103); 7 Jul 2009 20:52:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21816 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 20:52:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1246999954; bh=ByVlpvk1Ru0YeBO5hZMaKfPDD/3L7JoJOalPfK/DdUk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=z4VAgsvxr6RgXXI4owjMf0xd0LRM7kOpyXlHQLcRvwGypxV795nCpUBNSkMOp3txbmWPYJDZ1fMuTM0WsTjG8jgSMMcwoY4d885nA8lFZlAdg6nsZyY0Y+57DPw4EOjURo/ktufs9G7k+SxGeHhx7xSs8/QArDcu/gZbvymIxeY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GJiLOEl5d2Fe6AUEPtbfb2+jHsq2qBWZyPj5EgEOeyku0HCc9KmN2n/PIji2j7qT4pI44yjIVqJn22wv7m1wc0pm/Dq5+VuITrwluH/Wp2T9r3l2y7vsrSCU6S71qi6tM8UdfnED2+rSO+BrAtF+vSQSHuc+kdt/NkwA9NPoBsg=; Message-ID: <927347.97588.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hDqI1RIVM1nENp98LFF2BTl.NDlIPBBZNEJXld02OjprahBoNPtksv1nXMRI1aryFlfX8Oy7W0nvmqTseB8aCDZgmyHcZgaqVWBLGmkZyl6_9TTBXUNTV9D0_JFQqdObQt0ME4Auiuwi3loa3uEfImHn1CODbzB4vnMbG_WPhTQ.QJzJlQ23pMIei37cgIzCrHKME3YVBZXqrcVG3lO6OuKXsOCgmXbx5up8po4xCo3NJtuG1tvqoYOVz3VL73TBoOPyI1M0NHUPu_Nlt90L4k8eOOK1MNfxClgk5gL4UVtYczfnUW4UpoVLv7vNeJVxBk9aiSUdoHqQyaH72G1BQINuVJQvjAS..9fkabnQFYa30iPGh8xXFkUo1Q-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.1 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:52:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Layla Lewis To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1845994613-1246999954=:97588" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Need Volunteers at Sand by the Ton this Saturday --0-1845994613-1246999954=:97588 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey all! i'm running the door and parking lot for the Sand By The Ton event at American Steel in Oakland this Saturday. the party goes from 4pm-2am.... you can find all the info at www.thebigartexperience.com shifts are two hours each. if you work one shift you get into the party for free, if you volunteer for two shifts i'll throw in a couple drink tickets. email me if you're interested in helping out! peace love and beats - layla --0-1845994613-1246999954=:97588-- From sfraves-return-151151-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 08 11:39:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96422 invoked by uid 1103); 8 Jul 2009 11:39:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96402 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2009 11:39:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20090708064000.f59u15yo84gc08k0@webmail.viberation.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:40:00 -0500 From: osby@viberation.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <927347.97588.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <927347.97588.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] A letter from former ABC agent to SFBG So a former ABC agent is seeing what the ABC's doing to the City & =20 decided to be public about the unfairness their doing right now to 18 =20 + venues & DNA: http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2009/07/07.html 7-Jul-2009 (Tue) Wherein even ABC's own investigators think ABC is =20 out of control. When we first applied for our license change to allow all ages events, =20 the ABC investigator who was assigned to our case was a fellow named =20 Ross Glen. He was our primary point of contact with ABC throughout our =20 various appeals until he retired several months ago. Here's a letter he recently wrote to the SF Bay Guardian, which they =20 published today. Even ABC's own investigators think ABC's actions are absurd. A longer version of Glen's message to the Guardian follows: My name is Ross Glen and I am a retired Licensing Representative for =20 the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control. I handled the =20 investigation of DNA's application to convert their type-48 license to =20 a type-47. I have also handled the applications of several of the =20 other clubs between Harrison and Folsom on 11th Street. I believe that ABC's proposed revocation of the DNA's license is =20 excessive and out of proportion to the offense committed. During the =20 course of my investigation, I found the DNA to be appreciated by their =20 immediate neighbors, diligent in their efforts to adhere to the =20 applicable laws and sincere in their desire to address the concerns of =20 the Department with regard to the various circumstances that surround =20 the operation of an all-ages music venue. My review of the historical =20 record of the licensee revealed no preceding violations. In addition, =20 the San Francisco Police Department withdrew their objections to the =20 exchange of the 48 for the 47 after discussing the matter with DNA =20 ownership. City and county zoning regulations allow for the operation =20 of a type-47 at DNA's location. The one verified protest we had =20 against the DNA's request, moved out of the area and did not choose to =20 appear at the administrative hearing. In short, in the final analysis =20 the Department stood alone in its belief that the request to exchange =20 license types was not in the interest of public welfare and morals. The crux of the matter is the Department's requirement that at least =20 fifty percent of the club's revenues come from the sale of food. It =20 became clear to me after my investigation, that an all-ages music =20 venues business model could not support the fifty percent food =20 requirements. During a break in the administrative hearing, the =20 Department and DNA's ownership (Mr. Zawinski and Mr. Synoground) came =20 to an agreement to allow the exchange to take place with a condition =20 that forty percent of their receipts come from the sale of meals. When =20 we all left the hearing that day, I think we had a certain sense of =20 accomplishment that we had reached, at least an interim solution that =20 would allow the DNA to continue as one of this country's preeminent =20 music venues. On a personal level, I absolutely would vouch for Mr. =20 Synoground's and Mr. Zawinski's character. I am sure you know that his all goes much deeper than just the DNA =20 Lounge. I also did the investigation for Bottom of the Hill's request =20 to have the fifty percent condition taken off their license. Despite =20 having finished the investigation and submitting the report, I have =20 found that the Department reassigned the case after I retired and the =20 investigation began anew. In tha instance also, I found absolutely =20 nobody in the neighborhood that opposed the condition modification. In =20 fact, I received tens of personal letters of support from San =20 Franciscans that were the Bottom of the Hills neighbors. Please know that I am not a disgruntled former employee. I loved my =20 time at ABC and feel that they generally do a good job with very =20 limited resources. I do part company with the Department however when =20 it comes to their policies and actions relating to many of the music =20 venues. Peace=3D-> Just Me=3D-> Osby {8O) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151152-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 08 18:50:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64126 invoked by uid 1103); 8 Jul 2009 18:50:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64087 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2009 18:50:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=N3GlLqWDsfjKQNc7LkPyrS0rRNWpx5GEIPSAK5F1jYI=; b=pRLQXGH1LEx8OslTco0FJfICobfJHgpMluqZLQ7W5dAcrA14EXe7VGhqY89+SJo6SH 8MP2ZQqLlQx3C1UBA7Vm0MQ+BrjA3KcQfl1X4vuiD0wwMn0BtN5WvmBrSgQvRulA8q4l uYNImgj99blq8amTpl8/gm471bOgaYzKgutvk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BDWCGz+045ad0tRAUwrpd8QTuirbLquqrnUaW1aCBV/po+x5F0jG4L8oxq4HRUuhRa ODGP8Faqi2mpsb9TdwGMDaVaNaGVUbCbiGAKB5mAFALWPp2EHfK70d5eerfcRs+8emNy 8V0Mojr1WrDrUo/J4hmbCJTY55+kGzzpcyIVQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:50:29 -0700 Message-ID: <19b8baf40907081150n4e41c548oc484e3f7d162b086@mail.gmail.com> From: Media Bass To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221532c804897575046e363672 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS --00221532c804897575046e363672 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with Chrome OS *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own version of a computer operating system. The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize how computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside program developers. "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era where there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. "It's our attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google says . But why should you care? A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you think it could flop out of the gate. The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" technology. That means software developers will be able to mess with the code behind the system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. In essence, it puts the users in control. This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of Microsoft Windows, which keeps its code locked away. The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation that the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google Inc., based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are free. Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the tech world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to different people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of computing can be done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's sitting in front of you. Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small laptops that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the cloud." Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger desktop and laptop computer markets. The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an Internet-based experience. Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he writes. "You won't miss Office." Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to basics" with this operating system. The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities for computer users who now live on the Internet. "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the company writes. "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about constant software updates. And any time our users have a better computing experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are more likely to spend time on the Internet." Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler saysGoogle is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It will boot quickly, then get out of the way. "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're creating the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief rival, Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond immediately to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release Windows 7 , its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's hardware run software applications -- on October 22. Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday before Google announced the news on its blog, writesthat Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for users to access the full range of Google cloud applications through the browser -- Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive reach of Google products, could draw more attention from the federal government for possible antitrust violations, says CNET writerStephen Shankland. "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it shows just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation not just for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as Google Docs and Gmail. "Another: it opens new competition with Microsoftand, potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close attention to Google's moves." Others say the news is somewhat overblown. The Silicon Alley Insider sayssuccess of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could go the way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of a niche product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science project, but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search products. If Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to focus on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." --00221532c804897575046e363672-- From sfraves-return-151153-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 09 04:26:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51484 invoked by uid 1103); 9 Jul 2009 04:26:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51463 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 04:26:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247113604; bh=tXUDSyFtkDN0xA+1BWlUNBeS6cqRP3ccYY9VZ340Oao=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d9tIvq/BhxmPUZryUIlbJ5w5LTkr8sP2iO0w4iRS5E/JXblLYDktUKq7LUAazZtQ0SIYuJ8XNLOj8yTM7f3qaP7M+A6Eo6LhKTcy7nOu9BgJXJf92kf1qsFDcUSeYvHQQVeLz2lNbQdx0AKvq5JsNoJZ/bYeSG9HW2AJCLJepb0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eO4vYI7Fh7/gaYY74RXFRRUkUJzCk8Uvcmm+bj+zJ4Vkeg0+FRbPjt9jWh3C+l9R5vEfHrDthMKnumDV3LT3IeMWME1hW9u7F9DM/Rl/B3g4MwncrP+68d/u+a5nm9T5xSUmyf4VKyqeLSaZghEHqZCZK1W3z4vo9cpkMvFpxZk=; Message-ID: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AjKiZO0VM1ne8jLDHLVeKe2z7WhmtN1IMz9d0xBHHnBlU6VOKmlDXmqdMqrYlSFnau5hEQjmG4GFssnx66Fb0BQ1Md_plXJStJb.T2iHlacdwJ0ffG2kHkW_WjUjdTPMx3eXxxoyzLLwbmkxSwr2aDWY03sUs2n9pJXiU_Hns4kVAQwpUSSei2hkRXMosO6eG23HzA7dUwn4Ehx9nPljAwA.C7HA3O5o7GhjLtlLMdX0zEzvx5XIOGsXi1Eqy2TDrj2gO5CmNulRKDYtMHIjl2XsfCL.Ptm9SHE7PP2_AxWx2o9jPppEFzWsRImmuM3XovVffaRUg9udRl8IWrPYXCIO5CsNgA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:26:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2135195882-1247113604=:82967" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS --0-2135195882-1247113604=:82967 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks for your article post..it's very informative and interesting..can't wait to try it myself. have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? -adrie --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: From: Media Bass Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with Chrome OS *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own version of a computer operating system. The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize how computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside program developers. "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era where there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. "It's our attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google says . But why should you care? A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you think it could flop out of the gate. The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" technology. That means software developers will be able to mess with the code behind the system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. In essence, it puts the users in control. This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of Microsoft Windows, which keeps its code locked away. The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation that the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google Inc., based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are free. Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the tech world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to different people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of computing can be done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's sitting in front of you. Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small laptops that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the cloud." Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger desktop and laptop computer markets. The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an Internet-based experience. Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he writes. "You won't miss Office." Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to basics" with this operating system. The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities for computer users who now live on the Internet. "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the company writes. "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about constant software updates. And any time our users have a better computing experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are more likely to spend time on the Internet." Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler saysGoogle is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It will boot quickly, then get out of the way. "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're creating the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief rival, Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond immediately to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release Windows 7 , its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's hardware run software applications -- on October 22. Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday before Google announced the news on its blog, writesthat Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for users to access the full range of Google cloud applications through the browser -- Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive reach of Google products, could draw more attention from the federal government for possible antitrust violations, says CNET writerStephen Shankland. "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it shows just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation not just for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as Google Docs and Gmail. "Another: it opens new competition with Microsoftand, potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close attention to Google's moves." Others say the news is somewhat overblown. The Silicon Alley Insider sayssuccess of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could go the way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of a niche product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science project, but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search products. If Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to focus on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." --0-2135195882-1247113604=:82967-- From sfraves-return-151154-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 09 19:11:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47794 invoked by uid 1103); 9 Jul 2009 19:11:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47763 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 19:11:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247166745; bh=p3i8o7b2XvmpmWVj8jsJ4PFpv47EvMzBOWKUSiP9iBA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FRzyqgqJeD/tPh+zgjjWQF/TX31EioB8NO2S7TArJagndonbPayBiq3EBpNIfFk9GH0pYDnQeZQIhKYoj2F31T4mCrtGOQ6522gKUrmy8KVEfUkqVAfRtUT8nDc+bj64epSy24nnahnbe+q8+4r98k5M0XhUKTfp1pjA2rVCDhw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EenFJOraQOe1P9sWzuhaRVFb2uId2633xDHHTCZj4Rlvfml3oOnSNahsYOZlgMA7HPovKovILgVoO96g1lY9PBK4aWXTOANfM8/jlF+3U1pLM7VMn0cZrEc+wtq4rM1U/cZ3RJXPB3Tvga0DSOIzTffGtoXZ9ZUgEZhid6HRqbk=; Message-ID: <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: L9QOLpUVM1lObjuLmoqhNjVdXWaqYyrnX4MxuWMxMte6yqrD9_LpCMxsghl.f_IryUrbxO2ltpPa0lfhDZBHywsqmusCQpRcZ3lOTDumj3tYmsAicCFwf1Kz24PCUtLHIrg0QQbENKu7qHUerM_nCGfkcJcAb2VZsMi0kMClgCVxNH.uv411tIqM7RAnfx3kHtvxQBsXNYWn4KXrtG3YuHh.AwI678Ks.JdAzPywGW8OLBqwyrvb436aWWtWdonBEjdBLImnSoZFv.MjHUaEaZanMyLUkJshUsfD9.AXW91_FIKKxMvLOnHniir5HT8c0RFMiEcOoHiKzGpE7miUFBm_I5_ScZiB3bQsVZTxzw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass In-Reply-To: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a ton of people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but simple web browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. -George ----- Original Message ---- From: Adriana To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS thanks for your article post..it's very informative and interesting..can't wait to try it myself. have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? -adrie --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: From: Media Bass Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with Chrome OS *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own version of a computer operating system. The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize how computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside program developers. "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era where there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. "It's our attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google says . But why should you care? A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you think it could flop out of the gate. The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" technology. That means software developers will be able to mess with the code behind the system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. In essence, it puts the users in control. This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of Microsoft Windows, which keeps its code locked away. The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation that the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google Inc., based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are free. Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the tech world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to different people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of computing can be done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's sitting in front of you. Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small laptops that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the cloud." Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger desktop and laptop computer markets. The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an Internet-based experience. Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he writes. "You won't miss Office." Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to basics" with this operating system. The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities for computer users who now live on the Internet. "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the company writes. "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about constant software updates. And any time our users have a better computing experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are more likely to spend time on the Internet." Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler saysGoogle is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It will boot quickly, then get out of the way. "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're creating the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief rival, Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond immediately to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release Windows 7 , its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's hardware run software applications -- on October 22. Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday before Google announced the news on its blog, writesthat Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for users to access the full range of Google cloud applications through the browser -- Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive reach of Google products, could draw more attention from the federal government for possible antitrust violations, says CNET writerStephen Shankland. "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it shows just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation not just for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as Google Docs and Gmail. "Another: it opens new competition with Microsoftand, potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close attention to Google's moves." Others say the news is somewhat overblown. The Silicon Alley Insider sayssuccess of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could go the way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of a niche product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science project, but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search products. If Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to focus on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151155-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 09 20:04:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36671 invoked by uid 1103); 9 Jul 2009 20:04:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36641 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 20:04:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247169688; bh=qoTMP5b4jnWXu++Pfy9fUgI33Zul5SI6Z8P640+k6Bk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Pe4g1RiW54DbJ1O8jmAcOFinW5Yf6hGPwjDYCGbM5nInaZx1GkG2sbxQLVus7nBW+N6f6Mmh4PfxBKg5//g/EfR6O6Wab+cuYNYhk0r5vbvkiDnng+9dzeUszwBrOb2kLwx3AyZnVcCrTap1i9Wg7RMWlcl0UopnyD1P5dayZ1s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2fzvwv42JDX1c8ZJzofCnaAwnUClPESGJYvp2QyuWUUM6P2lJviegh7kuHL/TnNR2DqjcCjq67JHtSVCIiR3FWM700tv4vRKhR6UOTboCIyUiPTXroz79LKzk4y39usQAsCmalu/cwm0ki06xP8PGUnWUIjaOdb0mKDDhtMbRtY=; Message-ID: <435110.89355.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AtIMYO8VM1m.X6hnCbPActwFaey4t44FRNE0F2LvncA_8nr9LzAfsEdM1DH86r9WWdpfYU0S7ZPgRShLNXp8xqsm6Nz4ZeSPshMtB.w9m6efgHR6Y29gpwOzTymb0YZrRWjNgGKKzGevuDQ7Wq3IVf5LDG7FzVyhRD8E.HRJsN3HQuVHy4FBNEhJpF93xtvD6O8hK.HC1RqqzfSF7sdBlXkAe1JtcDhRmrYO6RajGKHaqA6rsJfd4Kcpe0StrjuccnNhHHN8WmNPKQVR.JrGHoWak108sUpsTVfCTxRIK355gZoGhfTkFGRD03vEZceJgkNlQlpunQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] so who's playing the killer tech house & progressive locally these days? Inquiring minds want to know. Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151156-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 09 23:39:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30314 invoked by uid 1103); 9 Jul 2009 23:38:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30251 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 23:38:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Estioko X-X-Sender: terry@taz3 To: George Cochrane cc: Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass In-Reply-To: <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090709163531.A93367@taz3> References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS Alas, there's no Chrome for Mac yet, so I'll have to be content with Firefox 3.5. -terry On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, George Cochrane wrote: > > If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a ton of people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but simple web browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. > > -George > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Adriana > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > thanks for your article post..it's very informative and interesting..can't wait to try it myself. > have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? > -adrie > > --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: > > From: Media Bass > Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM > > http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with > Chrome OS > *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and > threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own > version of a computer operating system. > > The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize how > computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making > computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside program > developers. > > "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era where > there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. "It's our > attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." > > Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google > says > . > > But why should you care? > > A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about > online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you > think it could flop out of the gate. > > The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" technology. > That means software developers will be able to mess with the code behind the > system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. > > In essence, it puts the users in control. > > > This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of Microsoft > Windows, which keeps its code locked away. > > The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation that > the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google > Inc., > based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of > yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are > free. > > Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the tech > world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to different > people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of computing can be > done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's sitting in > front of you. > > Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small laptops > that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of > information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the cloud." > > Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with > netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger desktop > and laptop computer markets. > > The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also > called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an > Internet-based experience. > > Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to > Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. > > "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. > You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he > writes. > "You won't miss Office." > > Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to basics" with > this operating system. > > The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities for > computer users who now live on the Internet. > > "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting > for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their > computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want > their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry > about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the company > writes. > > "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their > computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about > constant software updates. And any time our users have a better computing > experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are more > likely to spend time on the Internet." > > Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. > > Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler > saysGoogle > is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It > will boot quickly, then get out of the way. > > "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're creating > the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. > > Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief rival, > Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." > > Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond immediately > to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release Windows > 7 , > its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's > hardware run software applications -- on October 22. > > Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday before > Google announced the news on its blog, > writesthat > Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. > > "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for users to > access the full range of Google cloud applications through the browser -- > Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. > > But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive reach of > Google products, could draw more attention from the federal government for > possible antitrust violations, says CNET > writerStephen > Shankland. > > "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it shows > just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation not just > for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as Google > Docs and Gmail. > > "Another: it opens new competition with > Microsoftand, > potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close > attention to Google's moves." > > Others say the news is somewhat overblown. > > The Silicon Alley Insider > sayssuccess > of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." > > Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could go the > way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of a niche > product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. > > "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science project, > but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. > > "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search products. If > Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to focus > on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be > challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the > luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151157-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 09 23:42:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37073 invoked by uid 1103); 9 Jul 2009 23:42:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37016 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 23:42:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=PquGgoknb4wDAZ5Th/KYZ5Ptc92H12Phsz3vYugucA8=; b=GlOsVo4Fb30OssSmsJ5TqPtuD9xyyfadh5i8sVo3Ew/4rfTe4tnU2x6PHdA0c7t467 2boY2oCzrGzv5jDcPn5v3tmjbbXnO5OAVb3a5A93/g76uWFM+qhoUtnZzlSr3SO6iWsg /a9pIn8601vNifthQjZfXF2M4xtFvHMFPxfzc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ojp5jg6Q4d+2kTaHRfV2RZOGr+htzbdsGvSxWSNdO1ZMgPeh7rVtQVQ8GkMFHdqvg6 Y6KMiPSqhibBURak0plp0H8k0IEALL7r1vRxMOitLCW/SQ81aKzI9YeHCFFMF+K3KD4l s1JZM2njicXJs2j/5StEtM0bBrY42N0wRBWfM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20090709163531.A93367@taz3> References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090709163531.A93367@taz3> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:43:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: Terry Estioko Cc: George Cochrane , Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646bf482273e8046e4e6bed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS --00163646bf482273e8046e4e6bed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah but there is, for Mac and Linux. Granted, this is hella unstable but it works pretty fast when its not crashing: http://www.bluestatic.org/chromium/ On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Terry Estioko wrote: > Alas, there's no Chrome for Mac yet, so I'll have to be content with > Firefox 3.5. > > -terry > > > On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, George Cochrane wrote: > > >> If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome >> browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a ton of >> people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and >> hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but simple web >> browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. >> >> -George >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Adriana >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >> >> thanks for your article post..it's very informative and interesting..can't >> wait to try it myself. >> have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? >> -adrie >> >> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: >> >> From: Media Bass >> Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM >> >> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with >> Chrome OS >> *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and >> threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own >> version of a computer operating system. >> >> The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize how >> computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making >> computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside >> program >> developers. >> >> "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era where >> there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. "It's >> our >> attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." >> >> Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google >> says< >> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html> >> . >> >> But why should you care? >> >> A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about >> online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you >> think it could flop out of the gate. >> >> The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" technology. >> That means software developers will be able to mess with the code behind >> the >> system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. >> >> In essence, it puts the users in control. >> >> >> This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of Microsoft >> Windows, which keeps its code locked away. >> >> The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation that >> the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google >> Inc., >> based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of >> yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are >> free. >> >> Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the tech >> world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to different >> people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of computing can >> be >> done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's sitting in >> front of you. >> >> Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small laptops >> that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of >> information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the cloud." >> >> Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with >> netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger >> desktop >> and laptop computer markets. >> >> The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also >> called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an >> Internet-based experience. >> >> Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to >> Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. >> >> "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. >> You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he >> writes< >> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ >> >. >> "You won't miss Office." >> >> Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to basics" >> with >> this operating system. >> >> The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities for >> computer users who now live on the Internet. >> >> "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting >> for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their >> computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want >> their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to >> worry >> about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the company >> writes. >> >> "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their >> computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about >> constant software updates. And any time our users have a better computing >> experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are more >> likely to spend time on the Internet." >> >> Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. >> >> Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler >> says< >> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ >> >Google >> is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It >> will boot quickly, then get out of the way. >> >> "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're creating >> the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. >> >> Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief rival, >> Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." >> >> Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond immediately >> to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release >> Windows >> 7 , >> its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's >> hardware run software applications -- on October 22. >> >> Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday before >> Google announced the news on its blog, >> writes< >> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars >> >that >> Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. >> >> "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for users to >> access the full range of Google cloud applications through the browser -- >> Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. >> >> But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive reach >> of >> Google products, could draw more attention from the federal government for >> possible antitrust violations, says CNET >> writer< >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 >> >Stephen >> Shankland. >> >> "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it shows >> just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation not just >> for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as >> Google >> Docs and Gmail. >> >> "Another: it opens new competition with >> Microsoftand, >> potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close >> attention to Google's moves." >> >> Others say the news is somewhat overblown. >> >> The Silicon Alley Insider >> says< >> http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 >> >success >> of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." >> >> Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could go the >> way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of a >> niche >> product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. >> >> "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science >> project, >> but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. >> >> "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search products. If >> Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to >> focus >> on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be >> challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the >> luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --00163646bf482273e8046e4e6bed-- From sfraves-return-151158-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 10 00:05:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65374 invoked by uid 1103); 10 Jul 2009 00:05:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65348 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 00:05:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=VCTDBFpsoT+bMfKBNOVHnctWQE/WKUHUIc1qPFImB1I=; b=VVHRyodKMxOMKlEYyNVok5ujaol6IbQxuKjRuRA2dMOBvsCA5FR0dm04B007/pyxHr uaCmkMI4RTLELdtyPcief1zrE1D9GKdtURcu024NFoRDkSlT+GY4FEBa9S2JLdD+c3wU v6wee8/3jkvHTIc23oO97x+jqZGUXsDmth1YU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=B5ijkzEG957bIxYHUyp70p5BY+GkNTgfLrJzXundT8dWt7yvTEEUOtcs7MvFOMhtdw ORWBlH/JSVJYu3HGWUaGAQwqmq5m9RooqceSNfd0eFU/C9uGtk6DH3osgRnsVrIAc/eM uD5DM199sqhsLH62Dx7bJFiFvMCFb+pv+fCns= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:05:49 +0200 Message-ID: <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> From: Nyc Labrets To: George Cochrane Cc: Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364266bb266b8f046e4ebcd2 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS --0016364266bb266b8f046e4ebcd2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine and shrunk it to 24 megs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg In the blink of an eye. My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the GenPublic another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid that right now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many thousands of $$$$ but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their new $300 netbooks. Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane wrote: > > If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome > browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a ton of > people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and > hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but simple web > browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. > > -George > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Adriana > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > thanks for your article post..it's very informative and interesting..can't > wait to try it myself. > have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? > -adrie > > --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: > > From: Media Bass > Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM > > http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with > Chrome OS > *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and > threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own > version of a computer operating system. > > The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize how > computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making > computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside > program > developers. > > "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era where > there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. "It's our > attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." > > Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google > says< > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html> > . > > But why should you care? > > A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about > online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you > think it could flop out of the gate. > > The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" technology. > That means software developers will be able to mess with the code behind > the > system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. > > In essence, it puts the users in control. > > > This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of Microsoft > Windows, which keeps its code locked away. > > The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation that > the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google > Inc., > based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of > yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are > free. > > Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the tech > world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to different > people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of computing can > be > done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's sitting in > front of you. > > Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small laptops > that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of > information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the cloud." > > Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with > netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger desktop > and laptop computer markets. > > The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also > called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an > Internet-based experience. > > Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to > Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. > > "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. > You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he > writes< > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ > >. > "You won't miss Office." > > Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to basics" with > this operating system. > > The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities for > computer users who now live on the Internet. > > "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting > for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their > computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want > their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry > about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the company > writes. > > "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their > computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about > constant software updates. And any time our users have a better computing > experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are more > likely to spend time on the Internet." > > Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. > > Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler > says< > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ > >Google > is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It > will boot quickly, then get out of the way. > > "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're creating > the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. > > Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief rival, > Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." > > Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond immediately > to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release > Windows > 7 , > its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's > hardware run software applications -- on October 22. > > Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday before > Google announced the news on its blog, > writes< > http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars > >that > Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. > > "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for users to > access the full range of Google cloud applications through the browser -- > Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. > > But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive reach of > Google products, could draw more attention from the federal government for > possible antitrust violations, says CNET > writer< > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 > >Stephen > Shankland. > > "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it shows > just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation not just > for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as > Google > Docs and Gmail. > > "Another: it opens new competition with > Microsoftand, > potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close > attention to Google's moves." > > Others say the news is somewhat overblown. > > The Silicon Alley Insider > says< > http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 > >success > of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." > > Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could go the > way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of a niche > product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. > > "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science > project, > but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. > > "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search products. If > Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to > focus > on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be > challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the > luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > -- "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would rather burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." PirateBay FTW --0016364266bb266b8f046e4ebcd2-- From sfraves-return-151159-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 10 00:19:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82237 invoked by uid 1103); 10 Jul 2009 00:19:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82218 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 00:19:44 -0000 From: orotoro To: Nyc Labrets In-Reply-To: <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <146F6587-A56B-46F8-8195-4D3C1B2B80DD@technoprisoners.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:20:15 -0700 Cc: George Cochrane , Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS Larry Ellison's network computing has finally arrived. It's also what java was invented for. On Jul 9, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Nyc Labrets wrote: > Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151160-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 10 00:21:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84156 invoked by uid 1103); 10 Jul 2009 00:21:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84134 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 00:21:28 -0000 Cc: Nyc Labrets , George Cochrane , Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass Message-Id: From: Jas Strong To: orotoro In-Reply-To: <146F6587-A56B-46F8-8195-4D3C1B2B80DD@technoprisoners.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:21:55 -0700 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <146F6587-A56B-46F8-8195-4D3C1B2B80DD@technoprisoners.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS Common misconception. Java was originally invented to run microcontrollers. That's why it's basically 8-bit. -J. On 9 Jul 2009, at 17:20, orotoro wrote: > Larry Ellison's network computing has finally arrived. > > It's also what java was invented for. > > > On Jul 9, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Nyc Labrets wrote: > >> Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151161-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 10 00:22:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85371 invoked by uid 1103); 10 Jul 2009 00:22:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85337 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 00:22:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=09egQH+eppniOAWa1tmS631Pv9gzPtSlXZz198UNaKc=; b=wiF6+6fuKXUcS7YMvsmuy/HxaIYUZbBYfLNVuJ0MEno6RDct4ZR6MB1Cpehi82vY4r ixb9b1yWJCQJKp97oWG96mP0UILFTZLKS3h7aqPgLRmBHMYe7E76suRl+pjcmj5Z7vrd Ba1y07EqRiJBJLJ5WDF0qqsgsQEDNV8+mL1as= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=qxL8ULvMz26+3O1FhEgKU+MWK+b74rsStXj2TVrkowAUsq4Tid+Z5Z28tFG3M+22B3 Um46CiTYWsauTYXMOQjhRbghL2LopUvxV+b9O4WOR/hk/z7QGMKN9N+k5ulhY8es/OQ6 mxMmaxGgO06IB5YNxa90QPjaqPBLkqmjwDQdE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <146F6587-A56B-46F8-8195-4D3C1B2B80DD@technoprisoners.org> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:22:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: Jas Strong Cc: orotoro , Nyc Labrets , George Cochrane , Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646bf48d47808046e4ef842 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS --00163646bf48d47808046e4ef842 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Common misconception: Java was originally invented to find out how many FactoryStrategyManagers a person can implement. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Jas Strong wrote: > Common misconception. Java was originally invented to run > microcontrollers. That's why it's basically 8-bit. > > -J. > > > On 9 Jul 2009, at 17:20, orotoro wrote: > > Larry Ellison's network computing has finally arrived. >> >> It's also what java was invented for. >> >> >> On Jul 9, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Nyc Labrets wrote: >> >> Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --00163646bf48d47808046e4ef842-- From sfraves-return-151162-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 10 00:26:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90049 invoked by uid 1103); 10 Jul 2009 00:26:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90032 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 00:26:11 -0000 Cc: orotoro , Nyc Labrets , George Cochrane , Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass Message-Id: <2205C6A8-B8FD-4CC6-B857-4881BACE3AD9@heroicrobot.com> From: Jas Strong To: Matt Stone In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-442943582 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:26:39 -0700 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <146F6587-A56B-46F8-8195-4D3C1B2B80DD@technoprisoners.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS --Apple-Mail-2-442943582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Common misconception: Design Patterns was written as a joke. -J., who knows it's all just jumps and shit On 9 Jul 2009, at 17:22, Matt Stone wrote: > Common misconception: Java was originally invented to find out how > many FactoryStrategyManagers a person can implement. > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Jas Strong > wrote: > Common misconception. Java was originally invented to run > microcontrollers. That's why it's basically 8-bit. > > -J. > > > On 9 Jul 2009, at 17:20, orotoro wrote: > > Larry Ellison's network computing has finally arrived. > > It's also what java was invented for. > > > On Jul 9, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Nyc Labrets wrote: > > Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --Apple-Mail-2-442943582-- From sfraves-return-151163-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 10 00:32:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95696 invoked by uid 1103); 10 Jul 2009 00:32:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95665 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 00:32:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247185955; bh=FpXK2LcPpiXkg77lb7WkK5kaBd39J/D7aou+bXWYaXc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HOTpi+zcAA4Ez3urUJd1SMMWY9hSczjAewAVUdU3Wr2jkKLVR9PD00In/MMFSFVtDpYv6geqLkjaTcKmftxMXyprHH8dwV+tdXa+jqZuubXhfT2UhC/PnRoYwNPF507LGtn938bSB48H/IPitU2rwqP4Eql5m4RzVDrhB+fZDLc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WkYA3Bol4l/bT23vuXTjZRCnPwxQ6cFnfrLi9JEmLn8VNPeF2xcKqls8+/b+JvcD8tf8dRj8QaHRSw7ch0yNMU0FAS+o7/gJ59lmx1zqHYWD2z3sy7rDKf2AciobfxC6hUsWSYiQTQArOJY7w/Z5K2MLw6SGTJ6+M/BICHZ4B1E=; Message-ID: <440752.2093.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nFZswX8VM1nEnn8_2PrPBmfuMC3PUhvuEKi9.7WJOBiXX6RQsAavIIHiyfN9Ko4qb7f_KcQgPNANRAfAzHAiblSpjWI6o0obQw7vIWiWj81dksmkQ6mubeGHkEgF3Lj9P.tTfliDdFK1XT5aZcbtCfaq3l21fr25Co5If9qh5A5e57N58ddhVggDaXu44uJ10hNRAGSNpFAoGYhjY5pY1TV6VY1CzB_nA2OHje.7Vy3bYI1FXVGcoS8PZHjlxo_H7N7.rbwl33rfVeh8xIGVuJ3kLdSLso1sHOJRVEDHLhQWKcVYEebau7ov9d1UhltV X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090709163531.A93367@taz3> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: Matt Stone , Terry Estioko Cc: Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1285876965-1247185955=:2093" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS --0-1285876965-1247185955=:2093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, not the same. I am in love with Chrome on XP but the mac port is just too funky and clunky for me. I hate all that interpreted stuff, but a step in the right direction, anyhow. ________________________________ From: Matt Stone To: Terry Estioko Cc: George Cochrane ; Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 4:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS Ah but there is, for Mac and Linux. Granted, this is hella unstable but it works pretty fast when its not crashing: http://www.bluestatic.org/chromium/ On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Terry Estioko wrote: >Alas, there's no Chrome for Mac yet, so I'll have to be content with Firefox 3.5. > >>-terry > > >>On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, George Cochrane wrote: > > > >>>>If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a ton of people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but simple web browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. >> >>>>-George >> >> >> >>>>----- Original Message ---- >>>>From: Adriana >>>>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >> >>>>thanks for your article post..it's very informative and interesting..can't wait to try it myself. >>>>have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? >>>>-adrie >> >>>>--- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: >> >>>>From: Media Bass >>>>Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>>Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM >> >>http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with >>>>Chrome OS >>>>*(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and >>>>threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own >>>>version of a computer operating system. >> >>>>The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize how >>>>computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making >>>>computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside program >>>>developers. >> >>>>"The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era where >>>>there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. "It's our >>>>attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." >> >>>>Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google >>>>says >>>>. >> >>>>But why should you care? >> >>>>A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about >>>>online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you >>>>think it could flop out of the gate. >> >>>>The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" technology. >>>>That means software developers will be able to mess with the code behind the >>>>system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. >> >>>>In essence, it puts the users in control. >> >> >>>>This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of Microsoft >>>>Windows, which keeps its code locked away. >> >>>>The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation that >>>>the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google >>>>Inc., >>>>based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of >>>>yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are >>>>free. >> >>>>Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the tech >>>>world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to different >>>>people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of computing can be >>>>done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's sitting in >>>>front of you. >> >>>>Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small laptops >>>>that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of >>>>information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the cloud." >> >>>>Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with >>>>netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger desktop >>>>and laptop computer markets. >> >>>>The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also >>>>called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an >>>>Internet-based experience. >> >>>>Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to >>>>Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. >> >>>>"Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. >>>>You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he >>>>writes. >>>>"You won't miss Office." >> >>>>Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to basics" with >>>>this operating system. >> >>>>The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities for >>>>computer users who now live on the Internet. >> >>>>"People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting >>>>for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their >>>>computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want >>>>their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry >>>>about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the company >>>>writes. >> >>>>"Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their >>>>computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about >>>>constant software updates. And any time our users have a better computing >>>>experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are more >>>>likely to spend time on the Internet." >> >>>>Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. >> >>>>Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler >>>>saysGoogle >>>> >>is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It >>>>will boot quickly, then get out of the way. >> >>>>"What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're creating >>>>the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. >> >>>>Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief rival, >>>>Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." >> >>>>Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond immediately >>>>to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release Windows >>>>7 , >>>>its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's >>>>hardware run software applications -- on October 22. >> >>>>Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday before >>>>Google announced the news on its blog, >>>>writesthat >>>> >>Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. >> >>>>"With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for users to >>>>access the full range of Google cloud applications through the browser -- >>>>Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. >> >>>>But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive reach of >>>>Google products, could draw more attention from the federal government for >>>>possible antitrust violations, says CNET >>>>writerStephen >>>>Shankland. >> >>>>"The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it shows >>>>just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation not just >>>>for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as Google >>>>Docs and Gmail. >> >>>>"Another: it opens new competition with >>>>Microsoftand, >>>>potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close >>>>attention to Google's moves." >> >>>>Others say the news is somewhat overblown. >> >>>>The Silicon Alley Insider >>>>sayssuccess >>>> >>of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." >> >>>>Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could go the >>>>way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of a niche >>>>product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. >> >>>>"Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science project, >>>>but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. >> >>>>"The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search products. If >>>>Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to focus >>>>on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be >>>>challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the >>>>luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." >> >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0-1285876965-1247185955=:2093-- From sfraves-return-151164-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 10 01:07:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31779 invoked by uid 1103); 10 Jul 2009 01:07:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31758 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 01:07:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247188058; bh=F+j3lry6M0XbO8FBkSY72lhOOQQEnsmZbGx4mJ47B4o=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qXvcGG3ucwvI7nBoiDSzd1ZvJPvWNUaVOgD8EVvWYEXo6SHoljE9U8qDEKnnd4tCf+v2U3uJ1u6vsjRwmm3zSUaj2rmYxHzgm9735supnHEYQErzEhl3ICttDa9mRONPuiwLA8aYLc+1j34Naqeybc/X9D7VJzSwTZBnpN83z1I= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wQW/B0kUQb+XhwZjHSNQA3w0Aj0PljoX9pk5ToyptKUy99VGn4Lxpyh4I+OVLmPku6KizLKIrkYJI1LLuvUD+SCziwFXIOM0xvGW/A2iEt43O3+K9cwUpGHKnk5Rmm3rxKhOiuiEyxKS+23DD68hyCRcmPdTjSJ3Lj3q9GFxOZ8=; Message-ID: <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: LaqdsZIVM1nzi_CbxmzDGnKjztS31KF4RJZEeA.o0KZZyHEDM0J3Bc1.euD1NBY0WLyxM_72GxiSjVKWy8cpWQ0if69yU4YodLl2vce3qwUKTzyXfAFa1eV_plSh3FzncVSoiNQsCdfVjW7bDugv0y5nnCJ2EB1Ftx6cY9uc11gfEkE0Us3AWOTUXFZhi.DcHKQOA3Jp7mb4YawkRZ.6kzhqoVg3Fxrq9ExVfKh69U.KGZsKZlQxBCT9unj5Kk9Gc0qevHM3AzYw4L1TSywvidzu3yMA44x5aAE6mvGoMVCbQ43u8abkFspy6jwqEnaBfWN6h.gNAXtymPRbWwCj7raghdD87uZ4 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Nyc Labrets , George Cochrane Cc: Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass In-Reply-To: <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS What is old is new again. I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished or not. See also: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Nyc Labrets To: George Cochrane Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine and shrunk it to 24 megs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg In the blink of an eye. My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the GenPublic another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid that right now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many thousands of $$$$ but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their new $300 netbooks. Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane wrote: > > If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome > browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a ton of > people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and > hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but simple web > browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. > > -George > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Adriana > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > thanks for your article post..it's very informative and interesting..can't > wait to try it myself. > have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? > -adrie > > --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: > > From: Media Bass > Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM > > http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with > Chrome OS > *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and > threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own > version of a computer operating system. > > The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize how > computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making > computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside > program > developers. > > "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era where > there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. "It's our > attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." > > Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google > says< > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html> > . > > But why should you care? > > A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about > online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you > think it could flop out of the gate. > > The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" technology. > That means software developers will be able to mess with the code behind > the > system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. > > In essence, it puts the users in control. > > > This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of Microsoft > Windows, which keeps its code locked away. > > The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation that > the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google > Inc., > based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of > yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are > free. > > Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the tech > world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to different > people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of computing can > be > done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's sitting in > front of you. > > Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small laptops > that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of > information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the cloud." > > Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with > netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger desktop > and laptop computer markets. > > The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also > called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an > Internet-based experience. > > Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to > Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. > > "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. > You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he > writes< > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ > >. > "You won't miss Office." > > Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to basics" with > this operating system. > > The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities for > computer users who now live on the Internet. > > "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting > for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their > computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want > their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry > about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the company > writes. > > "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their > computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about > constant software updates. And any time our users have a better computing > experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are more > likely to spend time on the Internet." > > Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. > > Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler > says< > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ > >Google > is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It > will boot quickly, then get out of the way. > > "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're creating > the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. > > Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief rival, > Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." > > Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond immediately > to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release > Windows > 7 , > its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's > hardware run software applications -- on October 22. > > Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday before > Google announced the news on its blog, > writes< > http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars > >that > Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. > > "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for users to > access the full range of Google cloud applications through the browser -- > Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. > > But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive reach of > Google products, could draw more attention from the federal government for > possible antitrust violations, says CNET > writer< > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 > >Stephen > Shankland. > > "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it shows > just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation not just > for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as > Google > Docs and Gmail. > > "Another: it opens new competition with > Microsoftand, > potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close > attention to Google's moves." > > Others say the news is somewhat overblown. > > The Silicon Alley Insider > says< > http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 > >success > of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." > > Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could go the > way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of a niche > product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. > > "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science > project, > but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. > > "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search products. If > Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to > focus > on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be > challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the > luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > -- "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would rather burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." PirateBay FTW --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151165-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 10 01:10:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35384 invoked by uid 1103); 10 Jul 2009 01:10:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35360 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 01:10:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=gHuGFLRb6PhtQFLcOuKLqETFid6UYKbB5kvrskaTnxg=; b=SMfZH2N+cB3TTaxNrKBLnn28Pk7w7gEluBPyp9GPdTV2+r12hdspGnXJTZ4MUc0BtO rQ4kEqYFxDGHb+f1Exe4/T9waFySOjCMZrwdsgrd3bJwFgha5deWokpnsA9AY+eHjHqd +/DNXXN8GuacCUKRyUA/kBpogtQrD2SmAhVDM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Jy4rkibygeBnowPvQDzAxPIh5jsMEopEA5ZpEfidVrFY7Oqo1siqE3IBG7N9K3g6AV MXUla9n9/mL0C+joJcuCy2rBOcpoBcZBbFD5ooRc5RFiwZP3i4k0PsgcbbiVcgF3YiZW djJ3xaK/bk9p/tMaD6jm4fDcUvrivF4Ev1nXM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:10:59 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: Nyc Labrets , George Cochrane , Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d53e2ff358046e4fa56c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS --00163646d53e2ff358046e4fa56c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:07 PM, wrote: > > What is old is new again. > > I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A > > For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe > > To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling my own > computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious white coated > acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished or not. > Except they wear tie-dyed lab coats and do care if your job finishes ;) > > See also: > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and > http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html > > > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Nyc Labrets > To: George Cochrane > Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass < > mediabass@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine and shrunk > it to 24 megs. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg > > In the blink of an eye. > > My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the GenPublic > another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. > > i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid that > right > now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many thousands of $$$$ > but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their new $300 > netbooks. > > Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. > > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane >wrote: > > > > > If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome > > browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a ton > of > > people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and > > hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but simple > web > > browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. > > > > -George > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Adriana > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > > Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > > > thanks for your article post..it's very informative and > interesting..can't > > wait to try it myself. > > have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? > > -adrie > > > > --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: > > > > From: Media Bass > > Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM > > > > http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with > > Chrome OS > > *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and > > threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own > > version of a computer operating system. > > > > The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize how > > computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making > > computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside > > program > > developers. > > > > "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era where > > there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. "It's > our > > attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." > > > > Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google > > says< > > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html > > > > . > > > > But why should you care? > > > > A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about > > online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you > > think it could flop out of the gate. > > > > The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" > technology. > > That means software developers will be able to mess with the code behind > > the > > system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. > > > > In essence, it puts the users in control. > > > > > > This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of Microsoft > > Windows, which keeps its code locked away. > > > > The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation that > > the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google > > Inc., > > based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of > > yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are > > free. > > > > Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the tech > > world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to different > > people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of computing can > > be > > done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's sitting > in > > front of you. > > > > Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small laptops > > that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of > > information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the > cloud." > > > > Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with > > netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger > desktop > > and laptop computer markets. > > > > The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also > > called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an > > Internet-based experience. > > > > Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to > > Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. > > > > "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. > > You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he > > writes< > > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ > > >. > > "You won't miss Office." > > > > Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to basics" > with > > this operating system. > > > > The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities for > > computer users who now live on the Internet. > > > > "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time > waiting > > for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their > > computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want > > their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to > worry > > about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the company > > writes. > > > > "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their > > computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry > about > > constant software updates. And any time our users have a better computing > > experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are more > > likely to spend time on the Internet." > > > > Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. > > > > Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler > > says< > > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ > > >Google > > is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It > > will boot quickly, then get out of the way. > > > > "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're > creating > > the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. > > > > Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief rival, > > Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." > > > > Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond > immediately > > to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release > > Windows > > 7 >, > > its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's > > hardware run software applications -- on October 22. > > > > Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday before > > Google announced the news on its blog, > > writes< > > > http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars > > >that > > Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. > > > > "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for users to > > access the full range of Google cloud applications through the browser -- > > Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. > > > > But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive reach > of > > Google products, could draw more attention from the federal government > for > > possible antitrust violations, says CNET > > writer< > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 > > >Stephen > > Shankland. > > > > "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it shows > > just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation not > just > > for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as > > Google > > Docs and Gmail. > > > > "Another: it opens new competition with > > Microsoftand, > > potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close > > attention to Google's moves." > > > > Others say the news is somewhat overblown. > > > > The Silicon Alley Insider > > says< > > > http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 > > >success > > of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." > > > > Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could go the > > way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of a > niche > > product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. > > > > "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science > > project, > > but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. > > > > "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search products. If > > Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to > > focus > > on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be > > challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the > > luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > -- > "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would rather > burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." > > PirateBay > > FTW > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --00163646d53e2ff358046e4fa56c-- From sfraves-return-151166-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 10 01:22:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47254 invoked by uid 1103); 10 Jul 2009 01:22:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47230 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 01:22:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247189000; bh=+Sr+nF/rR7DdDgyJsfWNPgRRngZcGz1zvg009rtFTXw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ISaz0O1JLgU8y9enJWsZRLq0P843PRepJfBZ1ThaghZPrvP4EJk/LhO5CdLn6oDqMdWyo2hzV5kLbCxTunYzlrZ2WY7ehBRTi3NujxG9NICK7KM3pL+VGwdpKDC1GgKeGK+uJovZvGQcHk4QI4cSDfburFvpyAQkFFKkKZIAJgs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QwjT3vXEyiwb8XGvFXRWgy5ZePgecQ77EIfbVEJ1BMhhiAYYCkJSgD/RqSfojDXwPmbYzQ+3TGKWsxFSicllkXENXKUzRM5+LGd4hCsT8zObyT0h6En8NPsgyFeL24yFKTql1dnuhAuUP/d6q/Trqo34N9weNAnaCv8IP3BWO+I=; Message-ID: <302024.45711.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: z74XLwgVM1nBmTVsSk4ZSrR1H.Qub.qbNDOYq_LK9PKWwk77eTwa5a6J.t.kHzGE9TPbysluk2LNGkS3JLQZ12mf7qkes78xi_bMKE_4FEPx2mcKS30sLSFDwZNGZCTPfJW_bJGhyKnFewOGC7LbBOddPiL.rMvTi9h5olHp1J1jeuxIoxYEJtrq.S4Fi1KObapSn7ss9Uy90keAYYG8SLc1EOI_u5ZxoieD5vPpiIw6qPdw8tBE5r0.zpo.ng5kwNguNGUt7aopAi57IjquJBaFGBoM1gN4xrquQ_3eTZ.Ice7q2kLzfYrePr4gDZu5Xws3FhX_iKzwPZ74HH0zFz8UwQxElve9 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:23:20 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Matt Stone Cc: Nyc Labrets , George Cochrane , Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1197492406-1247189000=:45711" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS --0-1197492406-1247189000=:45711 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tie dye is the new white. They're still fuckers and they lost my print out. Peter ________________________________ From: Matt Stone To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: Nyc Labrets ; George Cochrane ; Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:10:59 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:07 PM, wrote: >>What is old is new again. > >>I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A > >>For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe > >>To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished or not. > Except they wear tie-dyed lab coats and do care if your job finishes ;) >>See also: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html > >> > >>Peter > > > > >>----- Original Message ---- >>From: Nyc Labrets >>To: George Cochrane >>Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >> >Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > >>Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine and shrunk >>it to 24 megs. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg > >>In the blink of an eye. > >>My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the GenPublic >>another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. > >>i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid that right >>now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many thousands of $$$$ >>but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their new $300 >>netbooks. > >>Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. > > > >>On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane wrote: > >>> >>> If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome >>> browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a ton of >>> people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and >>> hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but simple web >>> browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. >>> >>> -George >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Adriana >>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>> >>> thanks for your article post..it's very informative and interesting..can't >>> wait to try it myself. >>> have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? >>> -adrie >>> >>> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: >>> >>> From: Media Bass >>> Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM >>> >>> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with >>> Chrome OS >>> *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and >>> threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own >>> version of a computer operating system. >>> >>> The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize how >>> computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making >>> computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside >>> program >>> developers. >>> >>> "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era where >>> there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. "It's our >>> attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." >>> >>> Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google >>> says< >>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html> >>> . >>> >>> But why should you care? >>> >>> A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about >>> online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you >>> think it could flop out of the gate. >>> >>> The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" technology. >>> That means software developers will be able to mess with the code behind >>> the >>> system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. >>> >>> In essence, it puts the users in control. >>> >>> >>> This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of Microsoft >>> Windows, which keeps its code locked away. >>> >>> The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation that >>> the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google >>> Inc., >>> based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of >>> yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are >>> free. >>> >>> Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the tech >>> world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to different >>> people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of computing can >>> be >>> done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's sitting in >>> front of you. >>> >>> Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small laptops >>> that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of >>> information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the cloud." >>> >>> Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with >>> netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger desktop >>> and laptop computer markets. >>> >>> The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also >>> called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an >>> Internet-based experience. >>> >>> Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to >>> Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. >>> >>> "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. >>> You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he >>> writes< >>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ >>> >. >>> "You won't miss Office." >>> >>> Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to basics" with >>> this operating system. >>> >>> The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities for >>> computer users who now live on the Internet. >>> >>> "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting >>> for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their >>> computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want >>> their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry >>> about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the company >>> writes. >>> >>> "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their >>> computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about >>> constant software updates. And any time our users have a better computing >>> experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are more >>> likely to spend time on the Internet." >>> >>> Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. >>> >>> Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler >>> says< >>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ >> >> >Google >>> is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It >>> will boot quickly, then get out of the way. >>> >>> "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're creating >>> the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. >>> >>> Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief rival, >>> Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." >>> >>> Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond immediately >>> to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release >>> Windows >>> 7 , >>> its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's >>> hardware run software applications -- on October 22. >>> >>> Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday before >>> Google announced the news on its blog, >>> writes< >>> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars >> >> >that >>> Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. >>> >>> "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for users to >>> access the full range of Google cloud applications through the browser -- >>> Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. >>> >>> But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive reach of >>> Google products, could draw more attention from the federal government for >>> possible antitrust violations, says CNET >>> writer< >>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 >>> >Stephen >>> Shankland. >>> >>> "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it shows >>> just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation not just >>> for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as >>> Google >>> Docs and Gmail. >>> >>> "Another: it opens new competition with >>> Microsoftand, >>> potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close >>> attention to Google's moves." >>> >>> Others say the news is somewhat overblown. >>> >>> The Silicon Alley Insider >>> says< >>> http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 >> >> >success >>> of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." >>> >>> Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could go the >>> way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of a niche >>> product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. >>> >>> "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science >>> project, >>> but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. >>> >>> "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search products. If >>> Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to >>> focus >>> on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be >>> challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the >>> luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> > > >>-- >>"We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would rather >>burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." > >>PirateBay > >>FTW > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0-1197492406-1247189000=:45711-- From sfraves-return-151167-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 10 06:21:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33207 invoked by uid 1103); 10 Jul 2009 06:21:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33179 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 06:21:56 -0000 From: orotoro To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9F05B46D-E178-4261-87A9-4248E723D32D@technoprisoners.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:22:26 -0700 Cc: Nyc Labrets , George Cochrane , Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS That was the same reaction people had to Larry Ellison's network computer. Apple sells beefy Mac Pros all the way down to iPod Touch. They are both orders of magnitude more computer than your IIe. One is basically a thin client, whereas the other is a desktop powerhouse. You still have plenty of choice, and probably always will, unless the market for powerful desktop computing goes away. Remember in the Matrix when it came time to fly the helicopter, and the software was downloaded into the brain of the user on the fly? Well, the days are gone when you need to memorize rote knowledge. Welcome to a new age. -andy On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > What is old is new again. > > I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A > > For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe > > To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling > my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some > mysterious white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my > job finished or not. > > See also: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ > and http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html > > > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Nyc Labrets > To: George Cochrane > Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > > Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine and > shrunk > it to 24 megs. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg > > In the blink of an eye. > > My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the > GenPublic > another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. > > i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid > that right > now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many thousands > of $$$$ > but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their > new $300 > netbooks. > > Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. > > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane >wrote: > >> >> If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome >> browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a >> ton of >> people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software >> and >> hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but >> simple web >> browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. >> >> -George >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Adriana >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >> >> thanks for your article post..it's very informative and >> interesting..can't >> wait to try it myself. >> have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? >> -adrie >> >> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: >> >> From: Media Bass >> Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM >> >> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows >> with >> Chrome OS >> *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and >> threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own >> version of a computer operating system. >> >> The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will >> revolutionize how >> computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making >> computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside >> program >> developers. >> >> "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era >> where >> there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. >> "It's our >> attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." >> >> Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google >> says< >> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html >> > >> . >> >> But why should you care? >> >> A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed >> about >> online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if >> you >> think it could flop out of the gate. >> >> The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" >> technology. >> That means software developers will be able to mess with the code >> behind >> the >> system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. >> >> In essence, it puts the users in control. >> >> >> This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of >> Microsoft >> Windows, which keeps its code locked away. >> >> The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some >> speculation that >> the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google >> Inc., >> based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of >> yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are >> free. >> >> Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the >> tech >> world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to >> different >> people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of >> computing can >> be >> done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's >> sitting in >> front of you. >> >> Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small >> laptops >> that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of >> information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the >> cloud." >> >> Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with >> netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger >> desktop >> and laptop computer markets. >> >> The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, >> also >> called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an >> Internet-based experience. >> >> Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big >> threat to >> Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. >> >> "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? >> Meh. >> You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he >> writes< >> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ >>> . >> "You won't miss Office." >> >> Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to >> basics" with >> this operating system. >> >> The company realizes that speed and functionality are top >> priorities for >> computer users who now live on the Internet. >> >> "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time >> waiting >> for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their >> computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. >> They want >> their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have >> to worry >> about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the >> company >> writes. >> >> "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring >> their >> computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to >> worry about >> constant software updates. And any time our users have a better >> computing >> experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are >> more >> likely to spend time on the Internet." >> >> Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. >> >> Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler >> says< >> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ >>> Google >> is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It >> will boot quickly, then get out of the way. >> >> "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're >> creating >> the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. >> >> Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief >> rival, >> Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." >> >> Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond >> immediately >> to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release >> Windows >> 7 > >, >> its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's >> hardware run software applications -- on October 22. >> >> Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday >> before >> Google announced the news on its blog, >> writes< >> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars >>> that >> Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. >> >> "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for >> users to >> access the full range of Google cloud applications through the >> browser -- >> Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. >> >> But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive >> reach of >> Google products, could draw more attention from the federal >> government for >> possible antitrust violations, says CNET >> writer< >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 >>> Stephen >> Shankland. >> >> "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it >> shows >> just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation >> not just >> for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as >> Google >> Docs and Gmail. >> >> "Another: it opens new competition with >> Microsoftand, >> potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close >> attention to Google's moves." >> >> Others say the news is somewhat overblown. >> >> The Silicon Alley Insider >> says< >> http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 >>> success >> of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." >> >> Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could >> go the >> way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of >> a niche >> product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. >> >> "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science >> project, >> but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. >> >> "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search >> products. If >> Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs >> to >> focus >> on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be >> challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had >> the >> luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > -- > "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would > rather > burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." > > PirateBay > > FTW > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151168-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 12 20:28:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15703 invoked by uid 1103); 12 Jul 2009 20:28:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15683 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2009 20:28:37 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5A4792.2020308@sonic.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:29:06 -0700 From: Shatter User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orotoro CC: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, Nyc Labrets , George Cochrane , Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org, Media Bass References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9F05B46D-E178-4261-87A9-4248E723D32D@technoprisoners.org> In-Reply-To: <9F05B46D-E178-4261-87A9-4248E723D32D@technoprisoners.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS You guys should look up "Cloud" computing. It's been all the rage for a few years now. --S orotoro wrote: > That was the same reaction people had to Larry Ellison's network > computer. > > Apple sells beefy Mac Pros all the way down to iPod Touch. They are > both orders of magnitude more computer than your IIe. One is basically > a thin client, whereas the other is a desktop powerhouse. You still > have plenty of choice, and probably always will, unless the market for > powerful desktop computing goes away. > > Remember in the Matrix when it came time to fly the helicopter, and > the software was downloaded into the brain of the user on the fly? > Well, the days are gone when you need to memorize rote knowledge. > Welcome to a new age. > > -andy > > > On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > >> >> What is old is new again. >> >> I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A >> >> For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe >> >> To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling >> my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious >> white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished >> or not. >> >> See also: >> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and >> http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html >> >> >> >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Nyc Labrets >> To: George Cochrane >> Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >> >> Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine and >> shrunk >> it to 24 megs. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg >> >> In the blink of an eye. >> >> My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the >> GenPublic >> another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. >> >> i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid >> that right >> now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many thousands of >> $$$$ >> but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their >> new $300 >> netbooks. >> >> Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane >> wrote: >> >>> >>> If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome >>> browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a >>> ton of >>> people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and >>> hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but >>> simple web >>> browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. >>> >>> -George >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Adriana >>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>> >>> thanks for your article post..it's very informative and >>> interesting..can't >>> wait to try it myself. >>> have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? >>> -adrie >>> >>> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: >>> >>> From: Media Bass >>> Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM >>> >>> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with >>> Chrome OS >>> *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and >>> threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own >>> version of a computer operating system. >>> >>> The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize >>> how >>> computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making >>> computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside >>> program >>> developers. >>> >>> "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era >>> where >>> there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. >>> "It's our >>> attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." >>> >>> Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google >>> says< >>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html> >>> >>> . >>> >>> But why should you care? >>> >>> A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about >>> online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you >>> think it could flop out of the gate. >>> >>> The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" >>> technology. >>> That means software developers will be able to mess with the code >>> behind >>> the >>> system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. >>> >>> In essence, it puts the users in control. >>> >>> >>> This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of >>> Microsoft >>> Windows, which keeps its code locked away. >>> >>> The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation >>> that >>> the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google >>> Inc., >>> based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of >>> yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are >>> free. >>> >>> Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the >>> tech >>> world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to >>> different >>> people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of >>> computing can >>> be >>> done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's >>> sitting in >>> front of you. >>> >>> Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small >>> laptops >>> that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of >>> information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the >>> cloud." >>> >>> Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with >>> netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger >>> desktop >>> and laptop computer markets. >>> >>> The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also >>> called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an >>> Internet-based experience. >>> >>> Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to >>> Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. >>> >>> "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. >>> You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he >>> writes< >>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ >>> >>>> . >>> "You won't miss Office." >>> >>> Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to >>> basics" with >>> this operating system. >>> >>> The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities >>> for >>> computer users who now live on the Internet. >>> >>> "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time >>> waiting >>> for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their >>> computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They >>> want >>> their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have >>> to worry >>> about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the >>> company >>> writes. >>> >>> "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring >>> their >>> computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry >>> about >>> constant software updates. And any time our users have a better >>> computing >>> experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are >>> more >>> likely to spend time on the Internet." >>> >>> Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. >>> >>> Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler >>> says< >>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ >>> >>>> Google >>> is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It >>> will boot quickly, then get out of the way. >>> >>> "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're >>> creating >>> the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. >>> >>> Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief >>> rival, >>> Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." >>> >>> Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond >>> immediately >>> to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release >>> Windows >>> 7 >>> , >>> its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's >>> hardware run software applications -- on October 22. >>> >>> Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday >>> before >>> Google announced the news on its blog, >>> writes< >>> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars >>> >>>> that >>> Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. >>> >>> "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for >>> users to >>> access the full range of Google cloud applications through the >>> browser -- >>> Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. >>> >>> But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive >>> reach of >>> Google products, could draw more attention from the federal >>> government for >>> possible antitrust violations, says CNET >>> writer< >>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 >>> >>>> Stephen >>> Shankland. >>> >>> "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it >>> shows >>> just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation >>> not just >>> for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as >>> Google >>> Docs and Gmail. >>> >>> "Another: it opens new competition with >>> Microsoftand, >>> potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close >>> attention to Google's moves." >>> >>> Others say the news is somewhat overblown. >>> >>> The Silicon Alley Insider >>> says< >>> http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 >>> >>>> success >>> of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." >>> >>> Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could >>> go the >>> way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of >>> a niche >>> product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. >>> >>> "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science >>> project, >>> but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. >>> >>> "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search >>> products. If >>> Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to >>> focus >>> on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be >>> challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the >>> luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would >> rather >> burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." >> >> PirateBay >> >> FTW >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151169-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 03:51:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11643 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 03:51:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11611 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 03:51:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247457117; bh=3JQmQYzfQf94fSGoogPKlUClDv9ecvJ04QdeNLkEHXo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zw6JdISid3iOjOrZJDVzuYzJZNQ1BK2gQN4O2UVz1osSoIaR84Z6hleyvduh2SZ9Wa3NkusVMlV/Lh3HMxvNakdn4Z8/b4hNLxrWtoA9ppTsDNy8rwmMw9rX8ATBR9h4ntqmkbWcIfiNb7XYDYjhyRZ+4NA+Ax1YjAy9zhA2iNc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LXXs5UWEo1pBuJgEKCyYGJuUeNTiKX4io67yq+btMLdje9bfgHS1i/moMwlUjkV0qrLQ319B2JsnohUAcSCYIJdG8YiH5OkfvUogg4Ooql8fYkZU+edVPCvaCeQEdwX0HAfpL9roH+qiL1IPRzpEffDYLQkzbY95D7Zmsnpr8nQ=; Message-ID: <990325.45802.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WdFDUpcVM1mjjG.7BwouYikIZyshhp0QrIT6Mcy62C4Pe9AJnxQbv4JJ9r7Y7IDt18yuaypPxL4R1Tgbk5PrODab4kuPVfNSCjxzVq2AhN6ddFnHHs8T2g8IeZx7i5hXxHZnDEy9ardqh.DNNr_Jh0gAlm_Dsvd21q3OrMgQsy8TPmlPsDZYj3bIpVqmKwkSek2HwWr4hKmQU9CPiWO36S5sV3dWGG4cFdbyEeXNWxALYENfGQdnBR2aQvGLOYYzNWZVtubn0vpXI39MjNFC7wza5w1SG3zftUdLKUHtxoo4nnsNA8OyIxiI4Lgfwe84WG7_AtO.vaOxEzIlFiKG89_X0k.4BnoxVeq0at0biKEgKg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9F05B46D-E178-4261-87A9-4248E723D32D@technoprisoners.org> <4A5A4792.2020308@sonic.net> <318A3D7C-4DEA-4D3E-B7D5-E010B0484E82@electronpusher.org> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:51:57 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <318A3D7C-4DEA-4D3E-B7D5-E010B0484E82@electronpusher.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS Wait, is Al Gore on the list? ----- Original Message ---- From: Jasmine Strong To: Shatter Cc: orotoro ; dangrsmind@yahoo.com; Nyc Labrets ; George Cochrane ; Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:03:17 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS Some of us invented it. -J. On 12 Jul 2009, at 13:29, Shatter wrote: > You guys should look up "Cloud" computing. It's been all the rage for a > few years now. > > --S > > > orotoro wrote: >> That was the same reaction people had to Larry Ellison's network >> computer. >> >> Apple sells beefy Mac Pros all the way down to iPod Touch. They are >> both orders of magnitude more computer than your IIe. One is basically >> a thin client, whereas the other is a desktop powerhouse. You still >> have plenty of choice, and probably always will, unless the market for >> powerful desktop computing goes away. >> >> Remember in the Matrix when it came time to fly the helicopter, and >> the software was downloaded into the brain of the user on the fly? >> Well, the days are gone when you need to memorize rote knowledge. >> Welcome to a new age. >> >> -andy >> >> >> On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> >>> What is old is new again. >>> >>> I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A >>> >>> For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe >>> >>> To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling >>> my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious >>> white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished >>> or not. >>> >>> See also: >>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and >>> http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Nyc Labrets >>> To: George Cochrane >>> Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>> >>> Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine and >>> shrunk >>> it to 24 megs. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg >>> >>> In the blink of an eye. >>> >>> My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the >>> GenPublic >>> another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. >>> >>> i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid >>> that right >>> now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many thousands of >>> $$$$ >>> but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their >>> new $300 >>> netbooks. >>> >>> Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome >>>> browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a >>>> ton of >>>> people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and >>>> hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but >>>> simple web >>>> browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. >>>> >>>> -George >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Adriana >>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>> >>>> thanks for your article post..it's very informative and >>>> interesting..can't >>>> wait to try it myself. >>>> have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? >>>> -adrie >>>> >>>> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Media Bass >>>> Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM >>>> >>>> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows with >>>> Chrome OS >>>> *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and >>>> threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own >>>> version of a computer operating system. >>>> >>>> The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize >>>> how >>>> computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making >>>> computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside >>>> program >>>> developers. >>>> >>>> "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era >>>> where >>>> there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. >>>> "It's our >>>> attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." >>>> >>>> Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google >>>> says< >>>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html> >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> But why should you care? >>>> >>>> A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about >>>> online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if you >>>> think it could flop out of the gate. >>>> >>>> The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" >>>> technology. >>>> That means software developers will be able to mess with the code >>>> behind >>>> the >>>> system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. >>>> >>>> In essence, it puts the users in control. >>>> >>>> >>>> This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of >>>> Microsoft >>>> Windows, which keeps its code locked away. >>>> >>>> The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation >>>> that >>>> the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google >>>> Inc., >>>> based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of >>>> yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are >>>> free. >>>> >>>> Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the >>>> tech >>>> world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to >>>> different >>>> people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of >>>> computing can >>>> be >>>> done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's >>>> sitting in >>>> front of you. >>>> >>>> Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small >>>> laptops >>>> that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of >>>> information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the >>>> cloud." >>>> >>>> Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with >>>> netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger >>>> desktop >>>> and laptop computer markets. >>>> >>>> The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also >>>> called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an >>>> Internet-based experience. >>>> >>>> Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat to >>>> Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. >>>> >>>> "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. >>>> You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he >>>> writes< >>>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ >>>> >>>>> . >>>> "You won't miss Office." >>>> >>>> Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to >>>> basics" with >>>> this operating system. >>>> >>>> The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities >>>> for >>>> computer users who now live on the Internet. >>>> >>>> "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time >>>> waiting >>>> for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their >>>> computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They >>>> want >>>> their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have >>>> to worry >>>> about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the >>>> company >>>> writes. >>>> >>>> "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring >>>> their >>>> computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry >>>> about >>>> constant software updates. And any time our users have a better >>>> computing >>>> experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are >>>> more >>>> likely to spend time on the Internet." >>>> >>>> Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. >>>> >>>> Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler >>>> says< >>>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ >>>> >>>>> Google >>>> is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It >>>> will boot quickly, then get out of the way. >>>> >>>> "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're >>>> creating >>>> the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. >>>> >>>> Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief >>>> rival, >>>> Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." >>>> >>>> Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond >>>> immediately >>>> to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release >>>> Windows >>>> 7 >>>> , >>>> its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's >>>> hardware run software applications -- on October 22. >>>> >>>> Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday >>>> before >>>> Google announced the news on its blog, >>>> writes< >>>> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars >>>> >>>>> that >>>> Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. >>>> >>>> "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for >>>> users to >>>> access the full range of Google cloud applications through the >>>> browser -- >>>> Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. >>>> >>>> But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive >>>> reach of >>>> Google products, could draw more attention from the federal >>>> government for >>>> possible antitrust violations, says CNET >>>> writer< >>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 >>>> >>>>> Stephen >>>> Shankland. >>>> >>>> "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it >>>> shows >>>> just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation >>>> not just >>>> for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as >>>> Google >>>> Docs and Gmail. >>>> >>>> "Another: it opens new competition with >>>> Microsoftand, >>>> potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close >>>> attention to Google's moves." >>>> >>>> Others say the news is somewhat overblown. >>>> >>>> The Silicon Alley Insider >>>> says< >>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 >>>> >>>>> success >>>> of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." >>>> >>>> Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could >>>> go the >>>> way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of >>>> a niche >>>> product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. >>>> >>>> "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science >>>> project, >>>> but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. >>>> >>>> "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search >>>> products. If >>>> Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to >>>> focus >>>> on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be >>>> challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the >>>> luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> --"We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would >>> rather >>> burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." >>> >>> PirateBay >>> >>> FTW >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151170-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 03:56:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16625 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 03:56:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16467 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 03:56:34 -0000 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: <9D15F8EF-C357-4513-8F9B-18E1D3FF1EAF@heroicrobot.com> From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <990325.45802.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:57:02 -0700 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9F05B46D-E178-4261-87A9-4248E723D32D@technoprisoners.org> <4A5A4792.2020308@sonic.net> <318A3D7C-4DEA-4D3E-B7D5-E010B0484E82@electronpusher.org> <990325.45802.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS "All night drum & bass in Oakland? EXCELSIOR!" -J. On 12 Jul 2009, at 20:51, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > Wait, is Al Gore on the list? > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jasmine Strong > To: Shatter > Cc: orotoro ; dangrsmind@yahoo.com; > Nyc Labrets ; George Cochrane >; Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:03:17 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > > Some of us invented it. > > -J. > > On 12 Jul 2009, at 13:29, Shatter wrote: > >> You guys should look up "Cloud" computing. It's been all the rage >> for a >> few years now. >> >> --S >> >> >> orotoro wrote: >>> That was the same reaction people had to Larry Ellison's network >>> computer. >>> >>> Apple sells beefy Mac Pros all the way down to iPod Touch. They are >>> both orders of magnitude more computer than your IIe. One is >>> basically >>> a thin client, whereas the other is a desktop powerhouse. You still >>> have plenty of choice, and probably always will, unless the market >>> for >>> powerful desktop computing goes away. >>> >>> Remember in the Matrix when it came time to fly the helicopter, and >>> the software was downloaded into the brain of the user on the fly? >>> Well, the days are gone when you need to memorize rote knowledge. >>> Welcome to a new age. >>> >>> -andy >>> >>> >>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> What is old is new again. >>>> >>>> I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A >>>> >>>> For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe >>>> >>>> To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of >>>> controlling >>>> my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some >>>> mysterious >>>> white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished >>>> or not. >>>> >>>> See also: >>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ >>>> ai_17942123/ and >>>> http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Nyc Labrets >>>> To: George Cochrane >>>> Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>> >>>> Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine >>>> and >>>> shrunk >>>> it to 24 megs. >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg >>>> >>>> In the blink of an eye. >>>> >>>> My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the >>>> GenPublic >>>> another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. >>>> >>>> i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid >>>> that right >>>> now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many >>>> thousands of >>>> $$$$ >>>> but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their >>>> new $300 >>>> netbooks. >>>> >>>> Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the >>>>> Chrome >>>>> browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't >>>>> see a >>>>> ton of >>>>> people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome >>>>> software and >>>>> hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but >>>>> simple web >>>>> browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. >>>>> >>>>> -George >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> From: Adriana >>>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>>> >>>>> thanks for your article post..it's very informative and >>>>> interesting..can't >>>>> wait to try it myself. >>>>> have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? >>>>> -adrie >>>>> >>>>> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: Media Bass >>>>> Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>>> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM >>>>> >>>>> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on >>>>> Windows with >>>>> Chrome OS >>>>> *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- >>>>> and >>>>> threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with >>>>> its own >>>>> version of a computer operating system. >>>>> >>>>> The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will >>>>> revolutionize >>>>> how >>>>> computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, >>>>> making >>>>> computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by >>>>> outside >>>>> program >>>>> developers. >>>>> >>>>> "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an >>>>> era >>>>> where >>>>> there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. >>>>> "It's our >>>>> attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." >>>>> >>>>> Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google >>>>> says< >>>>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> But why should you care? >>>>> >>>>> A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed >>>>> about >>>>> online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even >>>>> if you >>>>> think it could flop out of the gate. >>>>> >>>>> The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" >>>>> technology. >>>>> That means software developers will be able to mess with the code >>>>> behind >>>>> the >>>>> system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. >>>>> >>>>> In essence, it puts the users in control. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of >>>>> Microsoft >>>>> Windows, which keeps its code locked away. >>>>> >>>>> The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some >>>>> speculation >>>>> that >>>>> the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. >>>>> Google >>>>> Inc., >>>>> based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as >>>>> of >>>>> yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are >>>>> free. >>>>> >>>>> Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in >>>>> the >>>>> tech >>>>> world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to >>>>> different >>>>> people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of >>>>> computing can >>>>> be >>>>> done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's >>>>> sitting in >>>>> front of you. >>>>> >>>>> Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small >>>>> laptops >>>>> that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of >>>>> information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the >>>>> cloud." >>>>> >>>>> Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work >>>>> with >>>>> netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the >>>>> larger >>>>> desktop >>>>> and laptop computer markets. >>>>> >>>>> The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web >>>>> browser, also >>>>> called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an >>>>> Internet-based experience. >>>>> >>>>> Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big >>>>> threat to >>>>> Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. >>>>> >>>>> "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. >>>>> Office? Meh. >>>>> You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he >>>>> writes< >>>>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ >>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>> "You won't miss Office." >>>>> >>>>> Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to >>>>> basics" with >>>>> this operating system. >>>>> >>>>> The company realizes that speed and functionality are top >>>>> priorities >>>>> for >>>>> computer users who now live on the Internet. >>>>> >>>>> "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time >>>>> waiting >>>>> for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want >>>>> their >>>>> computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. >>>>> They >>>>> want >>>>> their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have >>>>> to worry >>>>> about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the >>>>> company >>>>> writes. >>>>> >>>>> "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring >>>>> their >>>>> computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to >>>>> worry >>>>> about >>>>> constant software updates. And any time our users have a better >>>>> computing >>>>> experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who >>>>> are >>>>> more >>>>> likely to spend time on the Internet." >>>>> >>>>> Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. >>>>> >>>>> Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler >>>>> says< >>>>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ >>>>> >>>>>> Google >>>>> is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. >>>>> It >>>>> will boot quickly, then get out of the way. >>>>> >>>>> "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're >>>>> creating >>>>> the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. >>>>> >>>>> Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief >>>>> rival, >>>>> Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond >>>>> immediately >>>>> to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to >>>>> release >>>>> Windows >>>>> 7 >>>>> >>>> >, >>>>> its latest operating system -- or program that helps your >>>>> computer's >>>>> hardware run software applications -- on October 22. >>>>> >>>>> Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday >>>>> before >>>>> Google announced the news on its blog, >>>>> writes< >>>>> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars >>>>> >>>>>> that >>>>> Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. >>>>> >>>>> "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for >>>>> users to >>>>> access the full range of Google cloud applications through the >>>>> browser -- >>>>> Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. >>>>> >>>>> But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive >>>>> reach of >>>>> Google products, could draw more attention from the federal >>>>> government for >>>>> possible antitrust violations, says CNET >>>>> writer< >>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 >>>>> >>>>>> Stephen >>>>> Shankland. >>>>> >>>>> "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it >>>>> shows >>>>> just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation >>>>> not just >>>>> for static pages but for active applications, notably its own >>>>> such as >>>>> Google >>>>> Docs and Gmail. >>>>> >>>>> "Another: it opens new competition with >>>>> Microsoftand, >>>>> potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close >>>>> attention to Google's moves." >>>>> >>>>> Others say the news is somewhat overblown. >>>>> >>>>> The Silicon Alley Insider >>>>> says< >>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 >>>>> >>>>>> success >>>>> of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." >>>>> >>>>> Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could >>>>> go the >>>>> way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more >>>>> of >>>>> a niche >>>>> product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. >>>>> >>>>> "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little >>>>> science >>>>> project, >>>>> but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. >>>>> >>>>> "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search >>>>> products. If >>>>> Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it >>>>> needs to >>>>> focus >>>>> on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will >>>>> be >>>>> challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has >>>>> had the >>>>> luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --"We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I >>>> would >>>> rather >>>> burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." >>>> >>>> PirateBay >>>> >>>> FTW >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151171-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 07:15:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41396 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 07:15:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41364 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 07:15:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=6hjDrjwL+HIaEznDMk/HnGmvNAHGSlwxWDjJrBSOcuc=; b=iNbMwX0f1hO2r62ZbelYMB3nyKSZ/QGtIMhLGPDljBvSIpZEMe1SpiVgyh1JfGeF6U 8u+4kqwoAdOO1sNYii1+ihXa7snNB1AuAYhP4VzFJkiiwFuOdiQuaa+qklgreIiYG1oD kcVJ4bUzwzaSWlpaqlQi5wzegqQdSjXaVhiU8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=D9GVLxq/8Bsx/gFWRmZt3vKHQ1Y2gCfyXnL5h6XIkm4FKOA07TElgdLSRmNZouj6QL SkA/eYpEibkvBgE9xRaqs1aeCovgFV+b4lJ+7RFWzY9moBce88EQrVSYoe4ubnyeX+u/ +8XLEwBZHxpGZcXyxLSA1r1HfNMGanJYvkLUw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9D15F8EF-C357-4513-8F9B-18E1D3FF1EAF@heroicrobot.com> References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9F05B46D-E178-4261-87A9-4248E723D32D@technoprisoners.org> <4A5A4792.2020308@sonic.net> <318A3D7C-4DEA-4D3E-B7D5-E010B0484E82@electronpusher.org> <990325.45802.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9D15F8EF-C357-4513-8F9B-18E1D3FF1EAF@heroicrobot.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:15:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: Jas Strong Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f985e327882046e9117b8 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS --0016367f985e327882046e9117b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'M SUPER CERIAL GUYS On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Jas Strong wrote: > > "All night drum & bass in Oakland? EXCELSIOR!" > > -J. > > > On 12 Jul 2009, at 20:51, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > >> Wait, is Al Gore on the list? >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jasmine Strong >> To: Shatter >> Cc: orotoro ; dangrsmind@yahoo.com; Nyc >> Labrets ; George Cochrane < >> newstylesound@yahoo.com>; Adriana ; >> sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:03:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >> >> >> Some of us invented it. >> >> -J. >> >> On 12 Jul 2009, at 13:29, Shatter wrote: >> >> You guys should look up "Cloud" computing. It's been all the rage for a >>> few years now. >>> >>> --S >>> >>> >>> orotoro wrote: >>> >>>> That was the same reaction people had to Larry Ellison's network >>>> computer. >>>> >>>> Apple sells beefy Mac Pros all the way down to iPod Touch. They are >>>> both orders of magnitude more computer than your IIe. One is basically >>>> a thin client, whereas the other is a desktop powerhouse. You still >>>> have plenty of choice, and probably always will, unless the market for >>>> powerful desktop computing goes away. >>>> >>>> Remember in the Matrix when it came time to fly the helicopter, and >>>> the software was downloaded into the brain of the user on the fly? >>>> Well, the days are gone when you need to memorize rote knowledge. >>>> Welcome to a new age. >>>> >>>> -andy >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> What is old is new again. >>>>> >>>>> I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A >>>>> >>>>> For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe >>>>> >>>>> To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling >>>>> my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious >>>>> white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished >>>>> or not. >>>>> >>>>> See also: >>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and >>>>> >>>>> http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> From: Nyc Labrets >>>>> To: George Cochrane >>>>> Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>>> >>>>> Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine and >>>>> shrunk >>>>> it to 24 megs. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg >>>>> >>>>> In the blink of an eye. >>>>> >>>>> My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the >>>>> GenPublic >>>>> another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. >>>>> >>>>> i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid >>>>> that right >>>>> now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many thousands of >>>>> $$$$ >>>>> but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their >>>>> new $300 >>>>> netbooks. >>>>> >>>>> Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome >>>>>> browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a >>>>>> ton of >>>>>> people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and >>>>>> hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but >>>>>> simple web >>>>>> browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. >>>>>> >>>>>> -George >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>> From: Adriana >>>>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks for your article post..it's very informative and >>>>>> interesting..can't >>>>>> wait to try it myself. >>>>>> have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? >>>>>> -adrie >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Media Bass >>>>>> Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>>>> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows >>>>>> with >>>>>> Chrome OS >>>>>> *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and >>>>>> threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own >>>>>> version of a computer operating system. >>>>>> >>>>>> The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize >>>>>> how >>>>>> computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making >>>>>> computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside >>>>>> program >>>>>> developers. >>>>>> >>>>>> "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era >>>>>> where >>>>>> there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. >>>>>> "It's our >>>>>> attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." >>>>>> >>>>>> Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google >>>>>> says< >>>>>> >>>>>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> But why should you care? >>>>>> >>>>>> A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about >>>>>> online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if >>>>>> you >>>>>> think it could flop out of the gate. >>>>>> >>>>>> The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" >>>>>> technology. >>>>>> That means software developers will be able to mess with the code >>>>>> behind >>>>>> the >>>>>> system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> In essence, it puts the users in control. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of >>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>> Windows, which keeps its code locked away. >>>>>> >>>>>> The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation >>>>>> that >>>>>> the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google >>>>>> Inc., >>>>>> based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of >>>>>> yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are >>>>>> free. >>>>>> >>>>>> Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the >>>>>> tech >>>>>> world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to >>>>>> different >>>>>> people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of >>>>>> computing can >>>>>> be >>>>>> done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's >>>>>> sitting in >>>>>> front of you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small >>>>>> laptops >>>>>> that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of >>>>>> information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the >>>>>> cloud." >>>>>> >>>>>> Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with >>>>>> netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger >>>>>> desktop >>>>>> and laptop computer markets. >>>>>> >>>>>> The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also >>>>>> called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an >>>>>> Internet-based experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat >>>>>> to >>>>>> Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. >>>>>> You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he >>>>>> writes< >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> "You won't miss Office." >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to >>>>>> basics" with >>>>>> this operating system. >>>>>> >>>>>> The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities >>>>>> for >>>>>> computer users who now live on the Internet. >>>>>> >>>>>> "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time >>>>>> waiting >>>>>> for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their >>>>>> computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They >>>>>> want >>>>>> their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have >>>>>> to worry >>>>>> about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the >>>>>> company >>>>>> writes. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring >>>>>> their >>>>>> computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry >>>>>> about >>>>>> constant software updates. And any time our users have a better >>>>>> computing >>>>>> experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are >>>>>> more >>>>>> likely to spend time on the Internet." >>>>>> >>>>>> Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. >>>>>> >>>>>> Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler >>>>>> says< >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Google >>>>>>> >>>>>> is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It >>>>>> will boot quickly, then get out of the way. >>>>>> >>>>>> "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're >>>>>> creating >>>>>> the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief >>>>>> rival, >>>>>> Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." >>>>>> >>>>>> Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond >>>>>> immediately >>>>>> to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release >>>>>> Windows >>>>>> 7 >>>>>> >>>>> >, >>>>>> its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's >>>>>> hardware run software applications -- on October 22. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday >>>>>> before >>>>>> Google announced the news on its blog, >>>>>> writes< >>>>>> >>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars >>>>>> >>>>>> that >>>>>>> >>>>>> Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. >>>>>> >>>>>> "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for >>>>>> users to >>>>>> access the full range of Google cloud applications through the >>>>>> browser -- >>>>>> Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. >>>>>> >>>>>> But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive >>>>>> reach of >>>>>> Google products, could draw more attention from the federal >>>>>> government for >>>>>> possible antitrust violations, says CNET >>>>>> writer< >>>>>> >>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Stephen >>>>>>> >>>>>> Shankland. >>>>>> >>>>>> "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it >>>>>> shows >>>>>> just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation >>>>>> not just >>>>>> for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as >>>>>> Google >>>>>> Docs and Gmail. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Another: it opens new competition with >>>>>> Microsoftand, >>>>>> potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close >>>>>> attention to Google's moves." >>>>>> >>>>>> Others say the news is somewhat overblown. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Silicon Alley Insider >>>>>> says< >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 >>>>>> >>>>>> success >>>>>>> >>>>>> of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." >>>>>> >>>>>> Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could >>>>>> go the >>>>>> way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of >>>>>> a niche >>>>>> product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science >>>>>> project, >>>>>> but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. >>>>>> >>>>>> "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search >>>>>> products. If >>>>>> Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to >>>>>> focus >>>>>> on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be >>>>>> challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the >>>>>> luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --"We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would >>>>> rather >>>>> burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." >>>>> >>>>> PirateBay >>>>> >>>>> FTW >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0016367f985e327882046e9117b8-- From sfraves-return-151172-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 07:22:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49983 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 07:22:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49965 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 07:22:11 -0000 Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: <7238ADA1-2605-43AE-BB22-A0A8DF304B65@heroicrobot.com> From: Jas Strong To: Matt Stone In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-727104377 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:22:40 -0700 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9F05B46D-E178-4261-87A9-4248E723D32D@technoprisoners.org> <4A5A4792.2020308@sonic.net> <318A3D7C-4DEA-4D3E-B7D5-E010B0484E82@electronpusher.org> <990325.45802.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9D15F8EF-C357-4513-8F9B-18E1D3FF1EAF@heroicrobot.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS --Apple-Mail-6-727104377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone should definitely do a party called Manbearpig. -J. On 13 Jul 2009, at 00:15, Matt Stone wrote: > I'M SUPER CERIAL GUYS > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Jas Strong > wrote: > > "All night drum & bass in Oakland? EXCELSIOR!" > > -J. > > > On 12 Jul 2009, at 20:51, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Wait, is Al Gore on the list? > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jasmine Strong > To: Shatter > Cc: orotoro ; dangrsmind@yahoo.com; > Nyc Labrets ; George Cochrane >; Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:03:17 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > > Some of us invented it. > > -J. > > On 12 Jul 2009, at 13:29, Shatter wrote: > > You guys should look up "Cloud" computing. It's been all the rage > for a > few years now. > > --S > > > orotoro wrote: > That was the same reaction people had to Larry Ellison's network > computer. > > Apple sells beefy Mac Pros all the way down to iPod Touch. They are > both orders of magnitude more computer than your IIe. One is basically > a thin client, whereas the other is a desktop powerhouse. You still > have plenty of choice, and probably always will, unless the market for > powerful desktop computing goes away. > > Remember in the Matrix when it came time to fly the helicopter, and > the software was downloaded into the brain of the user on the fly? > Well, the days are gone when you need to memorize rote knowledge. > Welcome to a new age. > > -andy > > > On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > > What is old is new again. > > I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A > > For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe > > To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling > my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious > white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished > or not. > > See also: > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and > http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html > > > > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Nyc Labrets > To: George Cochrane > Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > > Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine and > shrunk > it to 24 megs. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg > > In the blink of an eye. > > My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the > GenPublic > another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. > > i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid > that right > now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many thousands of > $$$$ > but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their > new $300 > netbooks. > > Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. > > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane > wrote: > > > If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome > browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a > ton of > people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and > hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but > simple web > browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. > > -George > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Adriana > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > thanks for your article post..it's very informative and > interesting..can't > wait to try it myself. > have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? > -adrie > > --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: > > From: Media Bass > Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM > > http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows > with > Chrome OS > *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and > threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own > version of a computer operating system. > > The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize > how > computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making > computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside > program > developers. > > "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era > where > there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. > "It's our > attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." > > Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google > says< > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html > > > > . > > But why should you care? > > A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about > online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if > you > think it could flop out of the gate. > > The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" > technology. > That means software developers will be able to mess with the code > behind > the > system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. > > In essence, it puts the users in control. > > > This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of > Microsoft > Windows, which keeps its code locked away. > > The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation > that > the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google > Inc., > based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of > yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are > free. > > Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the > tech > world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to > different > people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of > computing can > be > done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's > sitting in > front of you. > > Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small > laptops > that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of > information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the > cloud." > > Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with > netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger > desktop > and laptop computer markets. > > The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also > called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an > Internet-based experience. > > Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat > to > Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. > > "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. > You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he > writes< > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ > > . > "You won't miss Office." > > Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to > basics" with > this operating system. > > The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities > for > computer users who now live on the Internet. > > "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time > waiting > for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their > computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They > want > their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have > to worry > about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the > company > writes. > > "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring > their > computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry > about > constant software updates. And any time our users have a better > computing > experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are > more > likely to spend time on the Internet." > > Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. > > Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler > says< > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ > > Google > is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It > will boot quickly, then get out of the way. > > "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're > creating > the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. > > Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief > rival, > Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." > > Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond > immediately > to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release > Windows > 7 > os=nonwin7>, > its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's > hardware run software applications -- on October 22. > > Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday > before > Google announced the news on its blog, > writes< > http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars > > that > Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. > > "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for > users to > access the full range of Google cloud applications through the > browser -- > Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. > > But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive > reach of > Google products, could draw more attention from the federal > government for > possible antitrust violations, says CNET > writer< > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 > > Stephen > Shankland. > > "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it > shows > just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation > not just > for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as > Google > Docs and Gmail. > > "Another: it opens new competition with > Microsoftand, > potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close > attention to Google's moves." > > Others say the news is somewhat overblown. > > The Silicon Alley Insider > says< > http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 > > success > of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." > > Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could > go the > way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of > a niche > product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. > > "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science > project, > but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. > > "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search > products. If > Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to > focus > on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be > challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the > luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --"We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would > rather > burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." > > PirateBay > > FTW > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --Apple-Mail-6-727104377-- From sfraves-return-151173-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 08:12:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21475 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 08:12:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21433 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 08:12:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8hgwR7XXKPBITFtzLiIdPGo3qBtMS7n54iv+DPUZVxo=; b=o66wUcoHExdvadeFfzd0khuTL9iQLa2IFWptp3inoXojtCf/qqLRKsQGHGBYztu03U 8wFA/Bl/kQ7zFyr6jkIT7ZRkzKwpvyJ/bX1Z1cSBatqhZfb0YaPdeGOLv0PWIksSCS8I E4uphd8c1N2k4Opv8NgsBJ9yz+B98DRDjAC+s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ZQJ4igNlErLhooFAFopYrOLve5KSohi+UBqdZVQ1cepiP29ewdvSpbG4hrI/RzZh+j FL+qlVGQqUI7WNijLYPocojWSs2w0isVFm+UHm/JpQH+oipO8agj2QoIHq3oKisarhbJ WlDzLBAyEX02ZeTinCjqqSWvmvlb/LWyRHm44= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: digitalcomponents@gmail.com Reply-To: DigitalKomponents@googlemail.com In-Reply-To: <990325.45802.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9F05B46D-E178-4261-87A9-4248E723D32D@technoprisoners.org> <4A5A4792.2020308@sonic.net> <318A3D7C-4DEA-4D3E-B7D5-E010B0484E82@electronpusher.org> <990325.45802.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:13:11 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 51c62cdfa418c878 Message-ID: <7237bf9f0907130113t10d272bbm45fa13326c5b7d34@mail.gmail.com> From: Nyc Labrets To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636416c49980ba1046e91e4be X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS --001636416c49980ba1046e91e4be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:51 AM, wrote: > > Wait, is Al Gore on the list? ... Ha ha, you so funny. This came up on another list that I'm on. If it weren't for Congressman Al Gore's work, the commercial Web prolly would still be in beta, if it even existed at all. Here's something a bit more accurate than that meaningless joke that got fed to the Great Unwashed 9 years ago in 2000: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Bill The Moran > wrote: > Al Gore invented the internet ... ;-) .... *RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE BULLSHIT:* One can say what one wants, but the fact of the matter is, (all late night > comic, snarky sound bite fodder aside), is that Senator Al Gore of > Tennessee certainly did play a vital and instrumental role in making it > feasible for commerce to thrive on The Information Super Highway: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Bill#Overview > >> *An important result of the Gore Billwas the development of >> Mosaic in 1993,[5 >> ] [10]the World >> Wide Web browser which is credited >> by most scholars as beginning the Internet boomof the 1990s: >> * >> > *Gore's legislationalso helped fund the National > Center for Supercomputing Applicationsat the University > of Illinois, > where a team of programmers, including Netscapefounder Marc > Andreessen , created the Mosaic > Web browser , the > commercial Internet's technological springboard. > * > > > '*If it had been left to private industry, it wouldn't have happened,' > Marc Andreessen, (Inventor of the MOSAIC Browser), says of Gore's bill, > 'at least, not until years later.*' [11]Doubt > the Manhattan Project or the Moon Landing could have been done by private > interests, either, except for save in Robert Heinlein's fevered and juvenile > Libertarian imagination. > > Not that multi-billion dollar industries and vast private fortunes didn't > eventually come out of those two US Government enabled projects. > > Like an old boss of mine, who built his $100+ million dollar bank account > by establishing one of the earliest and most successful online dating sites > by piggy-backing onto and getting to use the resources of Stanford's > computing network, partially paid for by your tax dollars, for *free* while > he was pursuing his Ph.D in Mechanical Engineering. > > I will give the man credit where credit is due. Though he's not known for > 'giving back', as it were, he did foot the entire health insurance bill for > those that worked for him. > > Be nice if others in the Private Sector would follow his example, but I'm > not going to hold my breath. > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jasmine Strong > To: Shatter > Cc: orotoro ; dangrsmind@yahoo.com; Nyc > Labrets ; George Cochrane < > newstylesound@yahoo.com>; Adriana ; > sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:03:17 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > > Some of us invented it. > > -J. > > On 12 Jul 2009, at 13:29, Shatter wrote: > > > You guys should look up "Cloud" computing. It's been all the rage for a > > few years now. > > > > --S > > > > > > orotoro wrote: > >> That was the same reaction people had to Larry Ellison's network > >> computer. > >> > >> Apple sells beefy Mac Pros all the way down to iPod Touch. They are > >> both orders of magnitude more computer than your IIe. One is basically > >> a thin client, whereas the other is a desktop powerhouse. You still > >> have plenty of choice, and probably always will, unless the market for > >> powerful desktop computing goes away. > >> > >> Remember in the Matrix when it came time to fly the helicopter, and > >> the software was downloaded into the brain of the user on the fly? > >> Well, the days are gone when you need to memorize rote knowledge. > >> Welcome to a new age. > >> > >> -andy > >> > >> > >> On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> What is old is new again. > >>> > >>> I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A > >>> > >>> For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe > >>> > >>> To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling > >>> my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious > >>> white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished > >>> or not. > >>> > >>> See also: > >>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and > >>> > http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Peter > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>> From: Nyc Labrets > >>> To: George Cochrane > >>> Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > >>> > >>> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > >>> > >>> Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine and > >>> shrunk > >>> it to 24 megs. > >>> > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg > >>> > >>> In the blink of an eye. > >>> > >>> My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the > >>> GenPublic > >>> another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. > >>> > >>> i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid > >>> that right > >>> now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many thousands of > >>> $$$$ > >>> but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their > >>> new $300 > >>> netbooks. > >>> > >>> Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome > >>>> browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a > >>>> ton of > >>>> people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and > >>>> hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but > >>>> simple web > >>>> browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. > >>>> > >>>> -George > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>> From: Adriana > >>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > >>>> > >>>> thanks for your article post..it's very informative and > >>>> interesting..can't > >>>> wait to try it myself. > >>>> have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? > >>>> -adrie > >>>> > >>>> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: > >>>> > >>>> From: Media Bass > >>>> Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS > >>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM > >>>> > >>>> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows > with > >>>> Chrome OS > >>>> *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and > >>>> threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own > >>>> version of a computer operating system. > >>>> > >>>> The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize > >>>> how > >>>> computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making > >>>> computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside > >>>> program > >>>> developers. > >>>> > >>>> "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era > >>>> where > >>>> there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. > >>>> "It's our > >>>> attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." > >>>> > >>>> Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google > >>>> says< > >>>> > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html> > >>>> > >>>> . > >>>> > >>>> But why should you care? > >>>> > >>>> A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about > >>>> online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if > you > >>>> think it could flop out of the gate. > >>>> > >>>> The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" > >>>> technology. > >>>> That means software developers will be able to mess with the code > >>>> behind > >>>> the > >>>> system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. > >>>> > >>>> In essence, it puts the users in control. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of > >>>> Microsoft > >>>> Windows, which keeps its code locked away. > >>>> > >>>> The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation > >>>> that > >>>> the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google > >>>> Inc., > >>>> based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of > >>>> yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are > >>>> free. > >>>> > >>>> Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the > >>>> tech > >>>> world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to > >>>> different > >>>> people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of > >>>> computing can > >>>> be > >>>> done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's > >>>> sitting in > >>>> front of you. > >>>> > >>>> Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small > >>>> laptops > >>>> that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of > >>>> information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the > >>>> cloud." > >>>> > >>>> Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with > >>>> netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger > >>>> desktop > >>>> and laptop computer markets. > >>>> > >>>> The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also > >>>> called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an > >>>> Internet-based experience. > >>>> > >>>> Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat > to > >>>> Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. > >>>> > >>>> "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. > >>>> You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he > >>>> writes< > >>>> > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ > >>>> > >>>>> . > >>>> "You won't miss Office." > >>>> > >>>> Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to > >>>> basics" with > >>>> this operating system. > >>>> > >>>> The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities > >>>> for > >>>> computer users who now live on the Internet. > >>>> > >>>> "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time > >>>> waiting > >>>> for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their > >>>> computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They > >>>> want > >>>> their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have > >>>> to worry > >>>> about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the > >>>> company > >>>> writes. > >>>> > >>>> "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring > >>>> their > >>>> computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry > >>>> about > >>>> constant software updates. And any time our users have a better > >>>> computing > >>>> experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are > >>>> more > >>>> likely to spend time on the Internet." > >>>> > >>>> Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. > >>>> > >>>> Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler > >>>> says< > >>>> > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ > >>>> > >>>>> Google > >>>> is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It > >>>> will boot quickly, then get out of the way. > >>>> > >>>> "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're > >>>> creating > >>>> the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. > >>>> > >>>> Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief > >>>> rival, > >>>> Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." > >>>> > >>>> Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond > >>>> immediately > >>>> to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release > >>>> Windows > >>>> 7 > >>>> >, > >>>> its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's > >>>> hardware run software applications -- on October 22. > >>>> > >>>> Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday > >>>> before > >>>> Google announced the news on its blog, > >>>> writes< > >>>> > http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars > >>>> > >>>>> that > >>>> Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. > >>>> > >>>> "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for > >>>> users to > >>>> access the full range of Google cloud applications through the > >>>> browser -- > >>>> Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. > >>>> > >>>> But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive > >>>> reach of > >>>> Google products, could draw more attention from the federal > >>>> government for > >>>> possible antitrust violations, says CNET > >>>> writer< > >>>> > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 > >>>> > >>>>> Stephen > >>>> Shankland. > >>>> > >>>> "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it > >>>> shows > >>>> just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation > >>>> not just > >>>> for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as > >>>> Google > >>>> Docs and Gmail. > >>>> > >>>> "Another: it opens new competition with > >>>> Microsoftand, > >>>> potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close > >>>> attention to Google's moves." > >>>> > >>>> Others say the news is somewhat overblown. > >>>> > >>>> The Silicon Alley Insider > >>>> says< > >>>> > http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 > >>>> > >>>>> success > >>>> of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." > >>>> > >>>> Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could > >>>> go the > >>>> way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of > >>>> a niche > >>>> product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. > >>>> > >>>> "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science > >>>> project, > >>>> but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. > >>>> > >>>> "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search > >>>> products. If > >>>> Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to > >>>> focus > >>>> on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be > >>>> challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the > >>>> luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --"We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would > >>> rather > >>> burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." > >>> > >>> PirateBay > >>> > >>> FTW > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > -- "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would rather burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." PirateBay FTW --001636416c49980ba1046e91e4be-- From sfraves-return-151174-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 10:26:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32390 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 10:26:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32341 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 10:26:24 -0000 Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: From: Jas Strong To: DigitalKomponents@googlemail.com In-Reply-To: <7237bf9f0907130113t10d272bbm45fa13326c5b7d34@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:26:52 -0700 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9F05B46D-E178-4261-87A9-4248E723D32D@technoprisoners.org> <4A5A4792.2020308@sonic.net> <318A3D7C-4DEA-4D3E-B7D5-E010B0484E82@electronpusher.org> <990325.45802.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907130113t10d272bbm45fa13326c5b7d34@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS I don't see what NCSA has to do with technology developed at CERN -J. On 13 Jul 2009, at 01:13, Nyc Labrets wrote: > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:51 AM, wrote: > >> >> Wait, is Al Gore on the list? > > ... > Ha ha, you so funny. > > This came up on another list that I'm on. > > If it weren't for Congressman Al Gore's work, the commercial Web > prolly > would still be in beta, if it even existed at all. > > Here's something a bit more accurate than that meaningless joke that > got fed > to the Great Unwashed 9 years ago in 2000: > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Bill The Moran > >> wrote: > >> Al Gore invented the internet ... ;-) > > .... > *RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE BULLSHIT:* > > One can say what one wants, but the fact of the matter is, (all late > night >> comic, snarky sound bite fodder aside), is that Senator Al Gore of >> Tennessee certainly did play a vital and instrumental role in >> making it >> feasible for commerce to thrive on The Information Super Highway: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Bill#Overview >> >>> *An important result of the Gore Bill>> >was the development of >>> Mosaic in >>> 1993,[5 >>> ] [10]>> >the World >>> Wide Web browser >>> which is credited >>> by most scholars as beginning the Internet boom>> >of the 1990s: >>> * >>> >> *Gore's legislation> >also helped fund the National >> Center for Supercomputing Applications> >at the University >> of Illinois> >, >> where a team of programmers, including Netscape> >founder Marc >> Andreessen , created >> the Mosaic >> Web browser > %29>, the >> commercial Internet's technological springboard. >> * >> >> >> '*If it had been left to private industry, it wouldn't have >> happened,' >> Marc Andreessen, (Inventor of the MOSAIC Browser), says of Gore's >> bill, >> 'at least, not until years later.*' [11]> >Doubt >> the Manhattan Project or the Moon Landing could have been done by >> private >> interests, either, except for save in Robert Heinlein's fevered and >> juvenile >> Libertarian imagination. >> >> Not that multi-billion dollar industries and vast private fortunes >> didn't >> eventually come out of those two US Government enabled projects. >> >> Like an old boss of mine, who built his $100+ million dollar bank >> account >> by establishing one of the earliest and most successful online >> dating sites >> by piggy-backing onto and getting to use the resources of Stanford's >> computing network, partially paid for by your tax dollars, for >> *free* while >> he was pursuing his Ph.D in Mechanical Engineering. >> >> I will give the man credit where credit is due. Though he's not >> known for >> 'giving back', as it were, he did foot the entire health insurance >> bill for >> those that worked for him. >> >> Be nice if others in the Private Sector would follow his example, >> but I'm >> not going to hold my breath. >> > > > >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jasmine Strong >> To: Shatter >> Cc: orotoro ; dangrsmind@yahoo.com; Nyc >> Labrets ; George Cochrane < >> newstylesound@yahoo.com>; Adriana ; >> sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:03:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >> >> >> Some of us invented it. >> >> -J. >> >> On 12 Jul 2009, at 13:29, Shatter wrote: >> >>> You guys should look up "Cloud" computing. It's been all the rage >>> for a >>> few years now. >>> >>> --S >>> >>> >>> orotoro wrote: >>>> That was the same reaction people had to Larry Ellison's network >>>> computer. >>>> >>>> Apple sells beefy Mac Pros all the way down to iPod Touch. They are >>>> both orders of magnitude more computer than your IIe. One is >>>> basically >>>> a thin client, whereas the other is a desktop powerhouse. You still >>>> have plenty of choice, and probably always will, unless the >>>> market for >>>> powerful desktop computing goes away. >>>> >>>> Remember in the Matrix when it came time to fly the helicopter, and >>>> the software was downloaded into the brain of the user on the fly? >>>> Well, the days are gone when you need to memorize rote knowledge. >>>> Welcome to a new age. >>>> >>>> -andy >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> What is old is new again. >>>>> >>>>> I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A >>>>> >>>>> For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe >>>>> >>>>> To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of >>>>> controlling >>>>> my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some >>>>> mysterious >>>>> white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job >>>>> finished >>>>> or not. >>>>> >>>>> See also: >>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ >>>>> ai_17942123/ and >>>>> >> http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> From: Nyc Labrets >>>>> To: George Cochrane >>>>> Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>>> >>>>> Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine >>>>> and >>>>> shrunk >>>>> it to 24 megs. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg >>>>> >>>>> In the blink of an eye. >>>>> >>>>> My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the >>>>> GenPublic >>>>> another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. >>>>> >>>>> i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid >>>>> that right >>>>> now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many >>>>> thousands of >>>>> $$$$ >>>>> but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their >>>>> new $300 >>>>> netbooks. >>>>> >>>>> Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/ >>>>> 70s. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the >>>>>> Chrome >>>>>> browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't >>>>>> see a >>>>>> ton of >>>>>> people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome >>>>>> software and >>>>>> hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but >>>>>> simple web >>>>>> browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. >>>>>> >>>>>> -George >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>> From: Adriana >>>>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome >>>>>> OS >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks for your article post..it's very informative and >>>>>> interesting..can't >>>>>> wait to try it myself. >>>>>> have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? >>>>>> -adrie >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Media Bass >>>>>> Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>>>> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on >>>>>> Windows >> with >>>>>> Chrome OS >>>>>> *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory >>>>>> -- and >>>>>> threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with >>>>>> its own >>>>>> version of a computer operating system. >>>>>> >>>>>> The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will >>>>>> revolutionize >>>>>> how >>>>>> computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, >>>>>> making >>>>>> computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by >>>>>> outside >>>>>> program >>>>>> developers. >>>>>> >>>>>> "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an >>>>>> era >>>>>> where >>>>>> there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. >>>>>> "It's our >>>>>> attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." >>>>>> >>>>>> Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google >>>>>> says< >>>>>> >> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html >> > >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> But why should you care? >>>>>> >>>>>> A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been >>>>>> buzzed about >>>>>> online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- >>>>>> even if >> you >>>>>> think it could flop out of the gate. >>>>>> >>>>>> The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" >>>>>> technology. >>>>>> That means software developers will be able to mess with the code >>>>>> behind >>>>>> the >>>>>> system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> In essence, it puts the users in control. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of >>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>> Windows, which keeps its code locked away. >>>>>> >>>>>> The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some >>>>>> speculation >>>>>> that >>>>>> the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. >>>>>> Google >>>>>> Inc., >>>>>> based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price >>>>>> as of >>>>>> yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, >>>>>> are >>>>>> free. >>>>>> >>>>>> Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in >>>>>> the >>>>>> tech >>>>>> world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to >>>>>> different >>>>>> people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of >>>>>> computing can >>>>>> be >>>>>> done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's >>>>>> sitting in >>>>>> front of you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small >>>>>> laptops >>>>>> that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat >>>>>> of >>>>>> information, storage space and computing power that exists "in >>>>>> the >>>>>> cloud." >>>>>> >>>>>> Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work >>>>>> with >>>>>> netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the >>>>>> larger >>>>>> desktop >>>>>> and laptop computer markets. >>>>>> >>>>>> The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web >>>>>> browser, also >>>>>> called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an >>>>>> Internet-based experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big >>>>>> threat >> to >>>>>> Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. >>>>>> Office? Meh. >>>>>> You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he >>>>>> writes< >>>>>> >> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ >>>>>> >>>>>>> . >>>>>> "You won't miss Office." >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to >>>>>> basics" with >>>>>> this operating system. >>>>>> >>>>>> The company realizes that speed and functionality are top >>>>>> priorities >>>>>> for >>>>>> computer users who now live on the Internet. >>>>>> >>>>>> "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting >>>>>> time >>>>>> waiting >>>>>> for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want >>>>>> their >>>>>> computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. >>>>>> They >>>>>> want >>>>>> their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not >>>>>> have >>>>>> to worry >>>>>> about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the >>>>>> company >>>>>> writes. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours >>>>>> configuring >>>>>> their >>>>>> computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to >>>>>> worry >>>>>> about >>>>>> constant software updates. And any time our users have a better >>>>>> computing >>>>>> experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who >>>>>> are >>>>>> more >>>>>> likely to spend time on the Internet." >>>>>> >>>>>> Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. >>>>>> >>>>>> Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler >>>>>> says< >>>>>> >> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ >>>>>> >>>>>>> Google >>>>>> is inventing an operating system that users almost won't >>>>>> notice. It >>>>>> will boot quickly, then get out of the way. >>>>>> >>>>>> "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're >>>>>> creating >>>>>> the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief >>>>>> rival, >>>>>> Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." >>>>>> >>>>>> Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond >>>>>> immediately >>>>>> to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to >>>>>> release >>>>>> Windows >>>>>> 7 >>>>>> >> , >>>>>> its latest operating system -- or program that helps your >>>>>> computer's >>>>>> hardware run software applications -- on October 22. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday >>>>>> before >>>>>> Google announced the news on its blog, >>>>>> writes< >>>>>> >> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars >>>>>> >>>>>>> that >>>>>> Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. >>>>>> >>>>>> "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for >>>>>> users to >>>>>> access the full range of Google cloud applications through the >>>>>> browser -- >>>>>> Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. >>>>>> >>>>>> But a Google operating system, combined with the already >>>>>> extensive >>>>>> reach of >>>>>> Google products, could draw more attention from the federal >>>>>> government for >>>>>> possible antitrust violations, says CNET >>>>>> writer< >>>>>> >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 >>>>>> >>>>>>> Stephen >>>>>> Shankland. >>>>>> >>>>>> "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that >>>>>> it >>>>>> shows >>>>>> just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation >>>>>> not just >>>>>> for static pages but for active applications, notably its own >>>>>> such as >>>>>> Google >>>>>> Docs and Gmail. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Another: it opens new competition with >>>>>> Microsoftand, >>>>>> potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close >>>>>> attention to Google's moves." >>>>>> >>>>>> Others say the news is somewhat overblown. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Silicon Alley Insider >>>>>> says< >>>>>> >> http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 >>>>>> >>>>>>> success >>>>>> of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." >>>>>> >>>>>> Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system >>>>>> could >>>>>> go the >>>>>> way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be >>>>>> more of >>>>>> a niche >>>>>> product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet >>>>>> Explorer. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little >>>>>> science >>>>>> project, >>>>>> but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. >>>>>> >>>>>> "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search >>>>>> products. If >>>>>> Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it >>>>>> needs to >>>>>> focus >>>>>> on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This >>>>>> will be >>>>>> challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has >>>>>> had the >>>>>> luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --"We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. 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Even if I had the money I would > rather > burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." > > PirateBay > > FTW --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151175-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 13:50:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85929 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 13:50:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85906 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 13:50:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247493062; bh=ICctls3QXHPeE19xXUmEPwlPnk1fVjsacngFCu9O8Ss=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iSkCD4JGA4T8mFAnPxa0xz5BfjmTu/e04/JCENtqBr3/wCtv/LE1sfUDVXRubAAnG1sXU9wpWQJpypA4MAb6ofgWWO4S0YV+IbZ53VBXTMwxVmylnwZ0McXjddwfPXcMXsg6nH3vh4CGVbMEr8abHwxy9YEfdycHLG4qx7RxUaA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t2sYF1Sgbf9Jp8+vTpPxe94gTCDe4I3gSymEiR1bBv4LWlxgQMuVpAZfYvF2vRah9J1US5t0ygBXGn6guOHvvVc70p+SwQ3K+gv6O6pB1a3fD2FyCutFFoXzEomWQU9q01upAM0nR4mF0P+m/zYu2zoWd2lNyFaXr4tgLS4nS68=; Message-ID: <378306.62057.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RDiVxH0VM1njh8dykZgE8Eg2qFVYRRp0p2WqpXGQP7sfSCp2oIq7INUU.eNLT.HiekbpyRO3Ec.YMQ9GKkxNxBS_UKyQMXDrPqU0LtlvQwoeXR6tXcqNOjrKb_Wk918Bu_t7eWEL3Nv9K_0ztxlts1sVh6pUVbTJaWIJuiF2h9T76yJVX9_BQeMptSrx46JopYc3ekLX5uyhowKYpBOzbrYIMbULjFWNhqNCaGFeGWIegqZf0Ih0O.d.jnzO3q0YElA55HPomO1KvZteJ0oaztVkhN348i9I_QkxNpoo4Ay4N2UuXSnBevJSu7jQUgEUhE2.w.kOlRfSnOg7yehidXzFM245UVuk X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9F05B46D-E178-4261-87A9-4248E723D32D@technoprisoners.org> <4A5A4792.2020308@sonic.net> <318A3D7C-4DEA-4D3E-B7D5-E010B0484E82@electronpusher.org> <990325.45802.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907130113t10d272bbm45fa13326c5b7d34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Jas Strong , DigitalKomponents@googlemail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS NCSA is where the Mosaic browser was developed. The original CERN browser was not graphical as I understand it, although I never saw that. Gore was one of the people, arguably the main person, that fought for the funding that led to the development of the Mosaic browser as well as other Internet related stuff... However, FWIW, hypertext was in use well before the web was developed. Not everyone appreciates this. I personally was developing hypertext software years before the invention of the Web at CERN. We used a product called KnowledgePro from Knowledge Garden and we built a number of different applications for the Air Force and Army. This work dates back to 1986... Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Jas Strong To: DigitalKomponents@googlemail.com Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:26:52 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS I don't see what NCSA has to do with technology developed at CERN -J. On 13 Jul 2009, at 01:13, Nyc Labrets wrote: > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:51 AM, wrote: > >> >> Wait, is Al Gore on the list? > > ... > Ha ha, you so funny. > > This came up on another list that I'm on. > > If it weren't for Congressman Al Gore's work, the commercial Web prolly > would still be in beta, if it even existed at all. > > Here's something a bit more accurate than that meaningless joke that got fed > to the Great Unwashed 9 years ago in 2000: > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Bill The Moran > >> wrote: > >> Al Gore invented the internet ... ;-) > > .... > *RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE BULLSHIT:* > > One can say what one wants, but the fact of the matter is, (all late night >> comic, snarky sound bite fodder aside), is that Senator Al Gore of >> Tennessee certainly did play a vital and instrumental role in making it >> feasible for commerce to thrive on The Information Super Highway: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Bill#Overview >> >>> *An important result of the Gore Billwas the development of >>> Mosaic in 1993,[5 >>> ] [10]the World >>> Wide Web browser which is credited >>> by most scholars as beginning the Internet boomof the 1990s: >>> * >>> >> *Gore's legislationalso helped fund the National >> Center for Supercomputing Applicationsat the University >> of Illinois, >> where a team of programmers, including Netscapefounder Marc >> Andreessen , created the Mosaic >> Web browser , the >> commercial Internet's technological springboard. >> * >> >> >> '*If it had been left to private industry, it wouldn't have happened,' >> Marc Andreessen, (Inventor of the MOSAIC Browser), says of Gore's bill, >> 'at least, not until years later.*' [11]Doubt >> the Manhattan Project or the Moon Landing could have been done by private >> interests, either, except for save in Robert Heinlein's fevered and juvenile >> Libertarian imagination. >> >> Not that multi-billion dollar industries and vast private fortunes didn't >> eventually come out of those two US Government enabled projects. >> >> Like an old boss of mine, who built his $100+ million dollar bank account >> by establishing one of the earliest and most successful online dating sites >> by piggy-backing onto and getting to use the resources of Stanford's >> computing network, partially paid for by your tax dollars, for *free* while >> he was pursuing his Ph.D in Mechanical Engineering. >> >> I will give the man credit where credit is due. Though he's not known for >> 'giving back', as it were, he did foot the entire health insurance bill for >> those that worked for him. >> >> Be nice if others in the Private Sector would follow his example, but I'm >> not going to hold my breath. >> > > > >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jasmine Strong >> To: Shatter >> Cc: orotoro ; dangrsmind@yahoo.com; Nyc >> Labrets ; George Cochrane < >> newstylesound@yahoo.com>; Adriana ; >> sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:03:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >> >> >> Some of us invented it. >> >> -J. >> >> On 12 Jul 2009, at 13:29, Shatter wrote: >> >>> You guys should look up "Cloud" computing. It's been all the rage for a >>> few years now. >>> >>> --S >>> >>> >>> orotoro wrote: >>>> That was the same reaction people had to Larry Ellison's network >>>> computer. >>>> >>>> Apple sells beefy Mac Pros all the way down to iPod Touch. They are >>>> both orders of magnitude more computer than your IIe. One is basically >>>> a thin client, whereas the other is a desktop powerhouse. You still >>>> have plenty of choice, and probably always will, unless the market for >>>> powerful desktop computing goes away. >>>> >>>> Remember in the Matrix when it came time to fly the helicopter, and >>>> the software was downloaded into the brain of the user on the fly? >>>> Well, the days are gone when you need to memorize rote knowledge. >>>> Welcome to a new age. >>>> >>>> -andy >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> What is old is new again. >>>>> >>>>> I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A >>>>> >>>>> For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe >>>>> >>>>> To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling >>>>> my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious >>>>> white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished >>>>> or not. >>>>> >>>>> See also: >>>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and >>>>> >> http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> From: Nyc Labrets >>>>> To: George Cochrane >>>>> Cc: Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:05:49 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>>> >>>>> Google just took a 5 minute 1.4 **gigabyte** HD vid file of mine and >>>>> shrunk >>>>> it to 24 megs. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TjfN8bFMg >>>>> >>>>> In the blink of an eye. >>>>> >>>>> My hunch is is that along with the OS they are going to offer the >>>>> GenPublic >>>>> another deal, like gmail, that they can't refuse. >>>>> >>>>> i.e. among other things, do all the back-end processing of HD vid >>>>> that right >>>>> now needs to be done on a high end machine, costing many thousands of >>>>> $$$$ >>>>> but can be done on their servers that are accessed by one of their >>>>> new $300 >>>>> netbooks. >>>>> >>>>> Essentially bringing back the 'dumb terminal' model of the 60s/70s. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:12 PM, George Cochrane >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If it's anywhere near as wonderfully slick and simple as the Chrome >>>>>> browser, it's going to be a joy to use. Somehow I just don't see a >>>>>> ton of >>>>>> people moving away from platforms with decades of awesome software and >>>>>> hardware available for them, though. Anyone doing anything but >>>>>> simple web >>>>>> browsing and basic "web app" stuff need not apply, at this point. >>>>>> >>>>>> -George >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>> From: Adriana >>>>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:44 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks for your article post..it's very informative and >>>>>> interesting..can't >>>>>> wait to try it myself. >>>>>> have you tried it yet? if so, do you like it? >>>>>> -adrie >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Media Bass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Media Bass >>>>>> Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goolge takes on Windows with Chrome OS >>>>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>>>> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:50 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#composeGoogle takes on Windows >> with >>>>>> Chrome OS >>>>>> *(CNN)* -- Google is jumping into Microsoft Windows territory -- and >>>>>> threatening to change the way personal computers work -- with its own >>>>>> version of a computer operating system. >>>>>> >>>>>> The company says the forthcoming Google Chrome OS will revolutionize >>>>>> how >>>>>> computers operate, putting more emphasis on Web functionality, making >>>>>> computers faster and opening them up to helpful tinkering by outside >>>>>> program >>>>>> developers. >>>>>> >>>>>> "The operating systems that browsers run on were designed in an era >>>>>> where >>>>>> there was no web," Google said late Tuesday on its official blog. >>>>>> "It's our >>>>>> attempt to re-think what operating systems should be." >>>>>> >>>>>> Chrome OS will be available this coming fall or winter, Google >>>>>> says< >>>>>> >> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html> >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> But why should you care? >>>>>> >>>>>> A trim and speedy Google operating system, which has been buzzed about >>>>>> online for some time, is interesting for several reasons -- even if >> you >>>>>> think it could flop out of the gate. >>>>>> >>>>>> The first is that Chrome OS will be available as "open-source" >>>>>> technology. >>>>>> That means software developers will be able to mess with the code >>>>>> behind >>>>>> the >>>>>> system, allowing them to develop new applications for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> In essence, it puts the users in control. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This wisdom-of-the-masses philosophy flies right in the face of >>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>> Windows, which keeps its code locked away. >>>>>> >>>>>> The open-source nature of Chrome OS also has led to some speculation >>>>>> that >>>>>> the software will be free, as many open-source platforms are. Google >>>>>> Inc., >>>>>> based in Mountain View, California, hasn't commented on price as of >>>>>> yet*,*although most of its services, such as Gmail and Picasa, are >>>>>> free. >>>>>> >>>>>> Second, Google's operating system supports another buzz term in the >>>>>> tech >>>>>> world: cloud computing. That phrase means a bunch of things to >>>>>> different >>>>>> people, but it essentially refers to the idea that a lot of >>>>>> computing can >>>>>> be >>>>>> done through Internet servers instead of on the computer that's >>>>>> sitting in >>>>>> front of you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cloud computing, in part, is behind the rise in netbooks -- small >>>>>> laptops >>>>>> that are essentially portals of entry into the much greater vat of >>>>>> information, storage space and computing power that exists "in the >>>>>> cloud." >>>>>> >>>>>> Google's blog says its OS will be designed specifically to work with >>>>>> netbooks at first. Later versions are expected to target the larger >>>>>> desktop >>>>>> and laptop computer markets. >>>>>> >>>>>> The OS also probably will partner well with Google's Web browser, also >>>>>> called Chrome. Essentially, the operating system could become an >>>>>> Internet-based experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael Arrington, co-editor at TechCrunch, says that's a big threat >> to >>>>>> Microsoft's business, but it may help consumers. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Don't worry about those desktop apps you think you need. Office? Meh. >>>>>> You've got Zoho and Google Apps," he >>>>>> writes< >>>>>> >> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-redefining-the-operating-system/ >>>>>> >>>>>>> . >>>>>> "You won't miss Office." >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, Google says in its blog post that it's "going back to >>>>>> basics" with >>>>>> this operating system. >>>>>> >>>>>> The company realizes that speed and functionality are top priorities >>>>>> for >>>>>> computer users who now live on the Internet. >>>>>> >>>>>> "People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time >>>>>> waiting >>>>>> for their computers to boot and browsers to start up. They want their >>>>>> computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They >>>>>> want >>>>>> their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have >>>>>> to worry >>>>>> about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files," the >>>>>> company >>>>>> writes. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring >>>>>> their >>>>>> computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry >>>>>> about >>>>>> constant software updates. And any time our users have a better >>>>>> computing >>>>>> experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are >>>>>> more >>>>>> likely to spend time on the Internet." >>>>>> >>>>>> Many tech writers seem enamored with the idea. >>>>>> >>>>>> Writing for TechCrunch, MG Siegler >>>>>> says< >>>>>> >> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/ >>>>>> >>>>>>> Google >>>>>> is inventing an operating system that users almost won't notice. It >>>>>> will boot quickly, then get out of the way. >>>>>> >>>>>> "What Google is doing is not recreating a new kind of OS, they're >>>>>> creating >>>>>> the best way to not need one at all," Siegler writes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Siegler says Google is "dropping the mother of bombs on its chief >>>>>> rival, >>>>>> Microsoft," adding that the move is "a genius play." >>>>>> >>>>>> Microsoft Corp., based in Redmond, Washington, did not respond >>>>>> immediately >>>>>> to a request for comment on this story. The company is set to release >>>>>> Windows >>>>>> 7 >>>>>> >> , >>>>>> its latest operating system -- or program that helps your computer's >>>>>> hardware run software applications -- on October 22. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ars Technica, a tech site that reportedly broke the story Tuesday >>>>>> before >>>>>> Google announced the news on its blog, >>>>>> writes< >>>>>> >> http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/google-chrome-os-lives-and-is-coming-to-a-netbook-near-you.ars >>>>>> >>>>>>> that >>>>>> Google's OS will forward the idea of computing in the cloud. >>>>>> >>>>>> "With such an OS, Google could obviously make it extra easy for >>>>>> users to >>>>>> access the full range of Google cloud applications through the >>>>>> browser -- >>>>>> Google Docs, Gmail, Google Maps, etc," the site says. >>>>>> >>>>>> But a Google operating system, combined with the already extensive >>>>>> reach of >>>>>> Google products, could draw more attention from the federal >>>>>> government for >>>>>> possible antitrust violations, says CNET >>>>>> writer< >>>>>> >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10281744-2.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 >>>>>> >>>>>>> Stephen >>>>>> Shankland. >>>>>> >>>>>> "The move has widespread implications," he writes. "One is that it >>>>>> shows >>>>>> just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation >>>>>> not just >>>>>> for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as >>>>>> Google >>>>>> Docs and Gmail. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Another: it opens new competition with >>>>>> Microsoftand, >>>>>> potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close >>>>>> attention to Google's moves." >>>>>> >>>>>> Others say the news is somewhat overblown. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Silicon Alley Insider >>>>>> says< >>>>>> >> http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-google-launching-os-firing-torpedo-into-microsoft-and-apple-hold-2009-7 >>>>>> >>>>>>> success >>>>>> of the operating system is "far from guaranteed." >>>>>> >>>>>> Reporter Henry Blodget writes that Google's operating system could >>>>>> go the >>>>>> way of the Chrome Web browser -- which has turned out to be more of >>>>>> a niche >>>>>> product rather than a true rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Google's browser initiative, Chrome, has been a fun little science >>>>>> project, >>>>>> but as a product it has been a flop," Blodget writes. >>>>>> >>>>>> "The same can be said for almost all of Google's non-search >>>>>> products. If >>>>>> Google wants to have a chance at success in this business, it needs to >>>>>> focus >>>>>> on it with the same intensity it once put into search. This will be >>>>>> challenging for Google, which, for the last several years, has had the >>>>>> luxury of dabbling in whatever it pleases." >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --"We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. 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OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend. Care to share a report? Thanks! Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151177-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 17:25:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25165 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 17:25:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25130 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 17:25:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=CWqmP+2ZPOZH37LTVRrngQSiBv/SvS1L5zsw/4iiRUk=; b=Ri547jlT1Oy9UW6FXX84hIIb4KJOsc1ZK4jH0IdpNnJ6axytaglTgzjB3TXjTSSiLW pO/4RIrfPWuRFVFIi5gMmeq1fdqqCvilnvqPtPPPWY9e3VKV0Arb3TSEh9eKR6+tMMg/ /C5nXogRGg6nRlIimqbZxh1tvc6bkHEgqQKW8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ayd9QwXHFbMW7vLI7SEX07xk/lDw2BMQGaIw9pnpMLJ6JtHX8B/k8lQlWxEmW44Mp7 WybdNCAqIcL4psrLQ+uZWDc5sxZMWF4r0MN2KKurxX3U+o0AqCVQkwvTUcHtuDmTPHk0 sW3BdK3wm9izQbinOeFcYfiMdeZyXZs/hkMbw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:26:00 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ben Haus To: sf raves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dbe2aea11d44046e999df4 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ATT 3G sucks --0016e6dbe2aea11d44046e999df4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wired recently did a head to head test with several other providers, and bi= g surprise here, ATT comes in last in 3G speed- more than 50% slower than Verizon and T Mobile, and still way slower than Sprint. I love my iPhone, but I'm really considering ditching ATT, especially since it seems like hal= f the time I'm on the edge network instead of 3G. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/3g-speed-test A smartphone broadband test conducted by Wired.com found that AT&T customer= s reported the slowest average 3G network speeds, while Verizon subscribers posted the speediest results. Conducted in May, our interactive 3G speed test attracted about 15,000 participants =97 12,000 of whom reported valid, usable results= . The study focused on 3G networks deployed in the United States by AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile. Verizon came in first place with an average download speed of 1,940 Kbps, a= s reported by 856 participants. T-Mobile=92s average rate was 1,793 Kbps with 1,189 reported T-Mobile users. Third was Sprint with 1,598 Kbps, based on data from 1,570 users. In dead last was AT&T with an average of 901 Kbps = =97 but an overwhelmingly large user sample of 8,153 test takers. The debate over which carrier is best has been around for as long as there have been cellphones. A common myth is that Verizon=92s is the most reliabl= e and fast, while AT&T=92s is the worst. These claims have been difficult to verify because of the variable nature of wireless technology. But Wired.com gave it a try on U.S. phones anyway. (We also conducted an earlier test on the iPhone only, rating its network performance on a global level; that study revealed that AT&T customers reported considerably slower speeds than iPhone owners on European networks.) To gather the data, Wired.com asked U.S. smartphone owners to test their 3G download speeds by running a custom web page that involved downloading an image. Then, we asked participants to manually plot their data on an interactive map. For a second data set, our test developer Ben Reubenstein automatically tracked download speeds using the test page. After analyzing both data sets, Wired.com opted to use Reubenstein=92s automatically reported results, because the information was more complete, comprehensive and reliable. We acknowledge our speed test is not scientific; we view it as a general barometer that gauges the performance of 3G networks in the United States. With that said, we note a few caveats: - We realize that the substantially larger amount of AT&T test takers ma= y unfairly contribute to an overall lower download speed =97 so take this considerably lower result with a nugget of salt. - The test results rely heavily on good faith that participants were being honest (and not, for instance, running the test over Wi-Fi). We di= d, however, remove any bogus, impossibly high results, as well as incomplet= e data fields. - Software, processors, memory and other factors will obviously affect a cellphone=92s overall download speeds. Smartphones with faster CPUs, mor= e RAM and so on will clearly give the network an advantage. But then again, th= ese test results should give you a general idea of the network performance y= ou should expect not only on these networks, but also the phones they carry= . Interestingly, our results appear to coincide with a similar test conducted by PC World in May. PC World=92s test involved working with Novarum Inc., a wireless consultant firm, who performed a 3G stress test from 283 locations in a day. PC World= =92s testing also found Verizon was fastest, with Sprint and AT&T coming in second and third, respectively. (T-Mobile was not included in the PC World test.) With that said, we thank Reubenstein for coding our test, and we also thank our fellow friends in the blog community for helping spread word of the study to attract participants. We invite readers to take a look at our spreedsheet containing the results [csv] if they wish to perform their own analysis. --0016e6dbe2aea11d44046e999df4-- From sfraves-return-151178-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 17:32:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34743 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 17:32:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34717 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 17:32:43 -0000 Cc: sf raves Message-Id: <7A2B98B0-9D5E-452D-AA25-0184404E4A41@heroicrobot.com> From: Jas Strong To: Ben Haus In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:33:07 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ATT 3G sucks AT&T works really well for me, good solid performance, good coverage =20 and I get a repeatable 3ish Mbits/sec payload rate wherever I go. Then again T-Mo coverage in the bay area is diabolical and Sprint/=20 Verizon's not compatible with any equipment that works outside the =20 USA, so there you go. And yes, they all suck compared to European networks. -J. On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:26, Ben Haus wrote: > Wired recently did a head to head test with several other providers, =20= > and big > surprise here, ATT comes in last in 3G speed- more than 50% slower =20 > than > Verizon and T Mobile, and still way slower than Sprint. I love my =20 > iPhone, > but I'm really considering ditching ATT, especially since it seems =20 > like half > the time I'm on the edge network instead of 3G. > http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/3g-speed-test > > A smartphone broadband test conducted by Wired.com found that AT&T =20 > customers > reported the slowest average 3G network speeds, while Verizon =20 > subscribers > posted the speediest results. > > Conducted in May, our interactive 3G speed > test attracted > about 15,000 participants =97 12,000 of whom reported valid, usable =20= > results. > The study focused on 3G networks deployed in the United States by =20 > AT&T, > Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile. > > Verizon came in first place with an average download speed of 1,940 =20= > Kbps, as > reported by 856 participants. T-Mobile=92s average rate was 1,793 Kbps = =20 > with > 1,189 reported T-Mobile users. Third was Sprint with 1,598 Kbps, =20 > based on > data from 1,570 users. In dead last was AT&T with an average of 901 =20= > Kbps =97 > but an overwhelmingly large user sample of 8,153 test takers. > > The debate over which carrier is best has been around for as long as =20= > there > have been cellphones. A common myth is that Verizon=92s is the most =20= > reliable > and fast, while AT&T=92s is the worst. These claims have been =20 > difficult to > verify because of the variable nature of wireless technology. But =20 > Wired.com > gave it a try on U.S. phones anyway. > > (We also conducted an earlier test on the iPhone only, rating its =20 > network > performance on a global level; that study revealed that AT&T customers > reported considerably slower > = speeds > > than > iPhone owners on European networks.) > > To gather the data, Wired.com asked U.S. smartphone owners to test =20 > their 3G > download speeds by running a custom web page that involved =20 > downloading an > image. Then, we asked participants to manually plot their data on an > interactive map. For a second data set, our test developer Ben =20 > Reubenstein > automatically tracked download speeds =20= > using > the test page. > > After analyzing both data sets, Wired.com opted to use Reubenstein=92s > automatically reported results, because the information was more =20 > complete, > comprehensive and reliable. > > We acknowledge our speed test is not scientific; we view it as a =20 > general > barometer that gauges the performance of 3G networks in the United =20 > States. > With that said, we note a few caveats: > > - We realize that the substantially larger amount of AT&T test =20 > takers may > unfairly contribute to an overall lower download speed =97 so take =20= > this > considerably lower result with a nugget of salt. > - The test results rely heavily on good faith that participants =20 > were > being honest (and not, for instance, running the test over Wi-Fi). =20= > We did, > however, remove any bogus, impossibly high results, as well as =20 > incomplete > data fields. > - Software, processors, memory and other factors will obviously =20 > affect a > cellphone=92s overall download speeds. Smartphones with faster CPUs, = =20 > more RAM > and so on will clearly give the network an advantage. But then =20 > again, these > test results should give you a general idea of the network =20 > performance you > should expect not only on these networks, but also the phones they =20= > carry. > > Interestingly, our results appear to coincide with a similar test =20 > conducted > by PC World in = May >. > PC World=92s test involved working with Novarum Inc., a wireless =20 > consultant > firm, who performed a 3G stress test from 283 locations in a day. PC =20= > World=92s > testing also found Verizon was fastest, with Sprint and AT&T coming in > second and third, respectively. (T-Mobile was not included in the PC =20= > World > test.) > > With that said, we thank Reubenstein for coding our test, and we =20 > also thank > our fellow friends in the blog community for helping spread word of =20= > the > study to attract participants. We invite readers to take a look at our > spreedsheet > containing the = results > > [csv] > if they wish to perform their own analysis. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151179-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 17:38:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42028 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 17:38:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41993 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 17:38:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vCA7J0ITV8bO9p4J617F8Bu5uxPvX4G5E4XoXMHzb9w=; b=CHL8fnqMQkGkANPqqSHQCAVUJ3zjXQymlxblZEfv5v3YmRB85wME7800JgJDgXx9CA vKEnqxQIbAcTBYMdcZcGdTkaE3SRRruHWbKj54XKww1uuYVjkVScYsy0JPmtbyyXnlru XqEg/JHbfd5k60m753Xt04IOAzUKH0Mye/i5s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=bVgp6TlX10AQBUN8HOEZmiq+G0U+et32hOnyK3+xFA45N0SejBM/QJy1++jtTlsznN YjLsXgS9QDZonoSnmJoEGhLCvdIPEmvTdccgoM1EJEk1BvLGMJ0y6uUIHoCh+4pD6/pn HAMIv19tVkW/ZbT4rjQyV9MkGUGl98/C2oXNw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7A2B98B0-9D5E-452D-AA25-0184404E4A41@heroicrobot.com> References: <7A2B98B0-9D5E-452D-AA25-0184404E4A41@heroicrobot.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:38:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ben Haus To: Jas Strong Cc: sf raves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d2ee1c97273046e99cb91 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ATT 3G sucks --0016364d2ee1c97273046e99cb91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems like I only get 3G about 60% of the time when I'm in SF. There's several dead zones in the Sunset (can't blame the hills out there) and Park Presidio Blvd too! The Haight also seems to have crappy service. All in all, I often feel like I'm playing roulette when I need access to something like google maps in SF. I came over from Sprint, and I gotta see that ATT'= s voice coverage and data coverage suck. I've never had so many dropped call= s in my life : / On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Jas Strong wrote= : > > AT&T works really well for me, good solid performance, good coverage and = I > get a repeatable 3ish Mbits/sec payload rate wherever I go. > > Then again T-Mo coverage in the bay area is diabolical and Sprint/Verizon= 's > not compatible with any equipment that works outside the USA, so there yo= u > go. > > And yes, they all suck compared to European networks. > > -J. > > On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:26, Ben Haus wrote: > > Wired recently did a head to head test with several other providers, and >> big >> surprise here, ATT comes in last in 3G speed- more than 50% slower than >> Verizon and T Mobile, and still way slower than Sprint. I love my iPhon= e, >> but I'm really considering ditching ATT, especially since it seems like >> half >> the time I'm on the edge network instead of 3G. >> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/3g-speed-test >> >> A smartphone broadband test conducted by Wired.com found that AT&T >> customers >> reported the slowest average 3G network speeds, while Verizon subscriber= s >> posted the speediest results. >> >> Conducted in May, our interactive 3G speed >> test attracted >> about 15,000 participants =97 12,000 of whom reported valid, usable resu= lts. >> The study focused on 3G networks deployed in the United States by AT&T, >> Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile. >> >> Verizon came in first place with an average download speed of 1,940 Kbps= , >> as >> reported by 856 participants. T-Mobile=92s average rate was 1,793 Kbps w= ith >> 1,189 reported T-Mobile users. Third was Sprint with 1,598 Kbps, based o= n >> data from 1,570 users. In dead last was AT&T with an average of 901 Kbps= =97 >> but an overwhelmingly large user sample of 8,153 test takers. >> >> The debate over which carrier is best has been around for as long as the= re >> have been cellphones. A common myth is that Verizon=92s is the most reli= able >> and fast, while AT&T=92s is the worst. These claims have been difficult = to >> verify because of the variable nature of wireless technology. But >> Wired.com >> gave it a try on U.S. phones anyway. >> >> (We also conducted an earlier test on the iPhone only, rating its networ= k >> performance on a global level; that study revealed that AT&T customers >> reported considerably slower >> speeds< >> http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/08/global-iphone-3.html#previouspost> >> than >> iPhone owners on European networks.) >> >> To gather the data, Wired.com asked U.S. smartphone owners to test their >> 3G >> download speeds by running a custom web page that involved downloading a= n >> image. Then, we asked participants to manually plot their data on an >> interactive map. For a second data set, our test developer Ben Reubenste= in >> automatically tracked download speeds >> using >> the test page. >> >> After analyzing both data sets, Wired.com opted to use Reubenstein=92s >> automatically reported results, because the information was more complet= e, >> comprehensive and reliable. >> >> We acknowledge our speed test is not scientific; we view it as a general >> barometer that gauges the performance of 3G networks in the United State= s. >> With that said, we note a few caveats: >> >> - We realize that the substantially larger amount of AT&T test takers m= ay >> unfairly contribute to an overall lower download speed =97 so take this >> considerably lower result with a nugget of salt. >> - The test results rely heavily on good faith that participants were >> being honest (and not, for instance, running the test over Wi-Fi). We >> did, >> however, remove any bogus, impossibly high results, as well as incomple= te >> data fields. >> - Software, processors, memory and other factors will obviously affect = a >> cellphone=92s overall download speeds. Smartphones with faster CPUs, mo= re >> RAM >> and so on will clearly give the network an advantage. But then again, >> these >> test results should give you a general idea of the network performance >> you >> should expect not only on these networks, but also the phones they carr= y. >> >> Interestingly, our results appear to coincide with a similar test >> conducted >> by PC World in May< >> http://www.pcworld.com/article/167391/a_day_in_the_life_of_3g.html>. >> PC World=92s test involved working with Novarum Inc., a wireless consult= ant >> firm, who performed a 3G stress test from 283 locations in a day. PC >> World=92s >> testing also found Verizon was fastest, with Sprint and AT&T coming in >> second and third, respectively. (T-Mobile was not included in the PC Wor= ld >> test.) >> >> With that said, we thank Reubenstein for coding our test, and we also >> thank >> our fellow friends in the blog community for helping spread word of the >> study to attract participants. We invite readers to take a look at our >> spreedsheet >> containing the results< >> http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2009/07/wired_study_data.csv= > >> [csv] >> if they wish to perform their own analysis. >> > > --0016364d2ee1c97273046e99cb91-- From sfraves-return-151180-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 17:47:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52970 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 17:47:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52948 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 17:47:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247507293; bh=AVji+uFx83qZjQslghfyZpiHdkBnIJ3L8EnanK1sKPw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SvsQw2qXr3Y17l4UFwY+Bnew0Hpe9c4AbJThCJ/kMw8Kw4hgk+KgxiZE0wjj1tbVuX1n83R4GFsHdSp1jsjt+9swhEMsSmh34AruoMTNQ8Xay54xRZPIAKY5XCo5pFZIiRKg+gwfma9A6L78Mjp/YySpzH69lPC7c3uklwgXavw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bLAKWOS6wXApkJpjwAeFQiQaXFC8zN0/rS7NegruzDUTcWPITgzaGpKxj5JyW+Ya26n2rSkhNQ6UasYUCH1INJ/G3X6Q3peUeFXOehcFY9oK8vLouO+mwHM8+kgugTJclVAqY7IzpOAHIKxq1Ksl53NsVFUiddVsbYdmgavv0wo=; Message-ID: <464972.22925.qm@web112407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: A.pVrdkVM1kU7QvPmwd6En0aPO7vEiaEx6oQ7_aWJF7U86GEJPg89TQ9YVqJoYXuKSGH5v36Owazak8V_PxyT5q1_I4j2y62eGxprHdFtS5NG0Xn8HdhU_H2R94ryGoOue2WpLC1qdr1d87_U1gsZxnzoqCkVKEEf6pr2B9.pPxa9M8Av4uiCYcfub0HTfL7Y56OAY0Qfzw.o29zTspfmIJqpbNYb3i5kTXQ0ZbR03uOzC6WVjqzeLvK6mXsObyz9Mr7fG.DBQ2IM5BqqEIs4ZtPA4deZH9ht9eh37TjijRe3y.rBi7rUlMt6RhFRvErvwcN3l7F1iN.NI8gZ4nlq7mwo7Id X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:48:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, dangrsmind@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <347560.81332.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1460697767-1247507293=:22925" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? --0-1460697767-1247507293=:22925 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Monday!!!! my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party saturda= y night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! :p= everyone looked awesome dressed up.. then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand by th= e ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got lu= cky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically = over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after everyon= e left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i = think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou h= elluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike and hun= g out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho... i had a mad wikked time.. back to work now..cya -adrie --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend= .=A0 Care to share a report? Thanks! Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org =0A=0A=0A --0-1460697767-1247507293=:22925-- From sfraves-return-151181-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 18:07:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76188 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 18:07:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76167 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 18:07:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247508493; bh=4MX4B2lZPGC1iqQxMXW3dvGUbtwFT4BCkRtL9ohAFcE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IhtNXFdgvAvuYsYS+F5PWPTh4L1l/2ehmo+ZWlkNlJ5MGfUSA2DWmsXyoJ5embuQ4gYIX+s2kZUA0taz7w16I3Px/BS01+GPX2+D3gxJ3jI7OX+Uq5Z/yfP+sNYtky8ULp5fznuF4QwYnauvmcOd3CA02YzxcuU5FIeZEwXUUyU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RHDs/grS9bVrxExsrujleaSgfJ4enL0hObtFXeiasmFCGwrOus/Ye822IT9/VS9qfdNkHZAfAjtr7u6mnKdwKwanvR8+5Af4hkIU2Bgo36WAEpdBVs9JhkBYPvzN+VVyGMjXZKgGx0+fKPX/BXvhy0eOuqI+nq+yi8aIz0foiGQ=; Message-ID: <709158.25718.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _COmNGUVM1ltCf9Abuphc6qqS7AMjdJo325lkKHyaWrW_iZUea368xp.VZ6bRnuJ9E_czea75T_w6ZjQn9HTV9HDTLkOZaPn3TlM_DaamWduH8gWIEFwUkwtCc0kiP5Nfvxnn0YFmziPlY1bdCqxbjJTS2BZ7QCF4QLL1pwX2tfPs8bxcsuCfwO77bdf6xh00u6tfxIagPXKPMSTkKeremoQmg9L9ABW3ARWfwsSxlv7AGIyHCPVYCrYvk9Z5eywMRLRBsGY2XQxzhMjyTGWpkNApyHBetGXl_eR.yx4kqpee1ScfD3JwX4DW29YZIKhi2AMjgXdfYNZ0Tj8uRGiLHXkdSd9ig-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <7A2B98B0-9D5E-452D-AA25-0184404E4A41@heroicrobot.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Ben Haus , Jas Strong Cc: sf raves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ATT 3G sucks As far as the Sunset, I think there is pretty bad cell placement by some of= the major networks. Both ATT and Verizon customers have trouble getting r= eception at my house, which just off Sloat near the zoo, but Sprint works f= ine. =0A=0AGo figure.=0A=0APeter=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A= From: Ben Haus =0ATo: Jas Strong =0ACc: sf raves =0ASent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:= 38:54 AM=0ASubject: Re: [sfraves] ATT 3G sucks=0A=0AIt seems like I only ge= t 3G about 60% of the time when I'm in SF. There's=0Aseveral dead zones in= the Sunset (can't blame the hills out there) and Park=0APresidio Blvd too!= The Haight also seems to have crappy service. All in=0Aall, I often feel= like I'm playing roulette when I need access to something=0Alike google ma= ps in SF. I came over from Sprint, and I gotta see that ATT's=0Avoice cove= rage and data coverage suck. I've never had so many dropped calls=0Ain my = life : /=0A=0AOn Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Jas Strong wrote:=0A=0A>=0A> AT&T works really well for me, good solid perfo= rmance, good coverage and I=0A> get a repeatable 3ish Mbits/sec payload rat= e wherever I go.=0A>=0A> Then again T-Mo coverage in the bay area is diabol= ical and Sprint/Verizon's=0A> not compatible with any equipment that works = outside the USA, so there you=0A> go.=0A>=0A> And yes, they all suck compar= ed to European networks.=0A>=0A> -J.=0A>=0A> On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:26, Ben = Haus wrote:=0A>=0A> Wired recently did a head to head test with several ot= her providers, and=0A>> big=0A>> surprise here, ATT comes in last in 3G spe= ed- more than 50% slower than=0A>> Verizon and T Mobile, and still way slow= er than Sprint. I love my iPhone,=0A>> but I'm really considering ditching= ATT, especially since it seems like=0A>> half=0A>> the time I'm on the edg= e network instead of 3G.=0A>> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/3g-spe= ed-test=0A>>=0A>> A smartphone broadband test conducted by Wired.com found = that AT&T=0A>> customers=0A>> reported the slowest average 3G network speed= s, while Verizon subscribers=0A>> posted the speediest results.=0A>>=0A>> C= onducted in May, our interactive 3G speed=0A>> test attracted=0A>> about 15,000 participants =E2=80= =94 12,000 of whom reported valid, usable results.=0A>> The study focused o= n 3G networks deployed in the United States by AT&T,=0A>> Verizon, Sprint a= nd T-Mobile.=0A>>=0A>> Verizon came in first place with an average download= speed of 1,940 Kbps,=0A>> as=0A>> reported by 856 participants. T-Mobile= =E2=80=99s average rate was 1,793 Kbps with=0A>> 1,189 reported T-Mobile us= ers. Third was Sprint with 1,598 Kbps, based on=0A>> data from 1,570 users.= In dead last was AT&T with an average of 901 Kbps =E2=80=94=0A>> but an ov= erwhelmingly large user sample of 8,153 test takers.=0A>>=0A>> The debate o= ver which carrier is best has been around for as long as there=0A>> have be= en cellphones. A common myth is that Verizon=E2=80=99s is the most reliable= =0A>> and fast, while AT&T=E2=80=99s is the worst. These claims have been d= ifficult to=0A>> verify because of the variable nature of wireless technolo= gy. But=0A>> Wired.com=0A>> gave it a try on U.S. phones anyway.=0A>>=0A>> = (We also conducted an earlier test on the iPhone only, rating its network= =0A>> performance on a global level; that study revealed that AT&T customer= s=0A>> reported considerably slower=0A>> speeds<=0A>> http://blog.wired.com= /gadgets/2008/08/global-iphone-3.html#previouspost>=0A>> than=0A>> iPhone o= wners on European networks.)=0A>>=0A>> To gather the data, Wired.com asked = U.S. smartphone owners to test their=0A>> 3G=0A>> download speeds by runnin= g a custom web page that involved downloading an=0A>> image. Then, we asked= participants to manually plot their data on an=0A>> interactive map. For a= second data set, our test developer Ben Reubenstein=0A>> automatically tra= cked download speeds=0A>> using=0A>> the tes= t page.=0A>>=0A>> After analyzing both data sets, Wired.com opted to use Re= ubenstein=E2=80=99s=0A>> automatically reported results, because the inform= ation was more complete,=0A>> comprehensive and reliable.=0A>>=0A>> We ackn= owledge our speed test is not scientific; we view it as a general=0A>> baro= meter that gauges the performance of 3G networks in the United States.=0A>>= With that said, we note a few caveats:=0A>>=0A>> - We realize that the su= bstantially larger amount of AT&T test takers may=0A>> unfairly contribute= to an overall lower download speed =E2=80=94 so take this=0A>> considerab= ly lower result with a nugget of salt.=0A>> - The test results rely heavi= ly on good faith that participants were=0A>> being honest (and not, for in= stance, running the test over Wi-Fi). We=0A>> did,=0A>> however, remove an= y bogus, impossibly high results, as well as incomplete=0A>> data fields.= =0A>> - Software, processors, memory and other factors will obviously affe= ct a=0A>> cellphone=E2=80=99s overall download speeds. Smartphones with fa= ster CPUs, more=0A>> RAM=0A>> and so on will clearly give the network an a= dvantage. But then again,=0A>> these=0A>> test results should give you a g= eneral idea of the network performance=0A>> you=0A>> should expect not onl= y on these networks, but also the phones they carry.=0A>>=0A>> Interestingl= y, our results appear to coincide with a similar test=0A>> conducted=0A>> b= y PC World in May<=0A>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/167391/a_day_in_the_= life_of_3g.html>.=0A>> PC World=E2=80=99s test involved working with Novaru= m Inc., a wireless consultant=0A>> firm, who performed a 3G stress test fro= m 283 locations in a day. PC=0A>> World=E2=80=99s=0A>> testing also found V= erizon was fastest, with Sprint and AT&T coming in=0A>> second and third, r= espectively. (T-Mobile was not included in the PC World=0A>> test.)=0A>>=0A= >> With that said, we thank Reubenstein for coding our test, and we also=0A= >> thank=0A>> our fellow friends in the blog community for helping spread w= ord of the=0A>> study to attract participants. We invite readers to take a = look at our=0A>> spreedsheet=0A>> containing the results<=0A>> http://www.w= ired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2009/07/wired_study_data.csv>=0A>> [csv]=0A= >> if they wish to perform their own analysis.=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151182-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 13 18:10:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79442 invoked by uid 1103); 13 Jul 2009 18:10:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79425 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 18:10:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247508640; bh=Vs+h87TtRiVdy2FJTe4JbEfUAUApP+wmeA7H1EqmaH4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l+sarHPTpiw03hi5awyucfxP+G/vudaZXmmRxcBufZw2D2/ApX+rcZ1uiTcmu9tbFCAoywOivqcEUTrWSaTM4Sl9dIJdMf8i+JBiurD4mSGqWHDNxYSz6mOfzDKoFEtaSudd5k82lzwZoo8+1MQxVsbleQNEW58BTxmQVVAw288= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tHu33H90wU6iplbEIeru8qIWC5YjyxDktIz9JAu3lD6LlFCnZoXEMMUTgZTTy9uaJKQiXMgCw4vx5FFz8nY56LzskYOebxmA0oper83MsiysSeWiAvFiEAXA4B8n/mmhPHGWHlpaZ7r60B7kh/gBkoTQR2/yl3/r6rLjxhZ9U1g=; Message-ID: <87281.53192.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 4IWGTk8VM1lKXnBYOHD6pDpMbgIr8pKmRFD8fp6gNzlnXGqDPsds9_102QxUfgDe.WcOBvXQ.Ii.o9lXoCXNFjVNCsrANEbFCIotNrFmKD20WV6cxU_CVak2p5CNcCjIMaYwInfccX.ulutRQLE_eicKqw9r6ynx0nrt1u90xovJzRzUcv_Z9NhwT3lXBlQ6vknrlHVaXGBL.969.HbslruuBqIatwG_B7pjfiu1mL_EwA.Wy9WRHGNR3gWuDZNpqUV6ssYRoB0s.PlRTmYW6oOAYRo600JCvJhYmXuAQFkyyB3IqK5.jw70qQ.D.dGL2baQiRP6pG3TYqUXXoA7mV2.MR.Hqw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <464972.22925.qm@web112407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <464972.22925.qm@web112407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Saw some pix from Sand by the ton that looked awesome... Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Adriana To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Happy Monday!!!! my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party saturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho... i had a mad wikked time.. back to work now..cya -adrie --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend. Care to share a report? Thanks! Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151183-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 14 00:50:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67213 invoked by uid 1103); 14 Jul 2009 00:50:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67179 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 00:50:30 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on bit.tuplemovers.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:50 +0000 From: "Holt Sorenson" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: Mail::SendEasy/1.2 Perl/5.010000-linux Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20090714005030.3CDD6F84A8@bit.tuplemovers.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: BSP: DJ Rick Preston mixing live on the Big Love show right now! =57=65 =6E=6F=77 =68=61=76=65 =61 =6E=65=77 =66=6C=61=73=68 =70=6C=61=79=65= =72 =6F=6E =6F=75=72 =73=69=74=65=2E =49=66 =79=6F=75 =6B=6E=6F=77 =68=6F= =77 =74=6F =77=61=74=63=68 =59=6F=75=74=75=62=65=2C =79=6F=75 =6B=6E=6F=77 =68= =6F=77 =74=6F =6C=69=73=74=65=6E =74=6F =4B=5A=53=55=2C =73=6F =70=6C=65=61=73=65 =74=75=6E=65 =69=6E =74=6F =4B=5A=53=55 =62=79 =6C=69=73= =74=65=6E=69=6E=67 =74=6F =39=30=2E=31 =69=6E =74=68=65 =42=61=79 =41=72=65= =61 =6F=72 =70=6F=69=6E=74=69=6E=67 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03:08:43 EDT To: eesiad1@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, dangrsmind@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1247555323" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? -------------------------------1247555323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Went to GG park my friend was spinning. Then went to Neverlarnd! super fun, sad they change venues though, Still awesome. after went to The vault. some vault after party. Pretty sick. like it was awesome left at six am. went home blahh In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:48:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, eesiad1@yahoo.com writes: Happy Monday!!!! my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party saturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho... i had a mad wikked time.. back to work now..cya -adrie --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend. Care to share a report? Thanks! Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. 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The vault as in the clothing store on haight? wtf? On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM, wrote: > Went to GG park my friend was spinning. Then went to Neverlarnd! super fu= n, > =A0sad they change venues though, Still awesome. after went to The vault. > some =A0vault after party. Pretty sick. like it was awesome left at six a= m. went > home =A0blahh > > > In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:48:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > eesiad1@yahoo.com writes: > > Happy =A0Monday!!!! > > my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end =A0:) > > went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party > saturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin = =A0hot!!! > :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. > > then i went home and =A0changed over about midnight to head over to sand = by > the ton..thou by the time =A0we got there they werent letting ppl in... i= got > lucky enough to get in...yay! =A0me! :) by the time i got in it was pract= ically > over...boo! but an amazing =A0after hours party for staff happen after > everyone left.. whiched rocked it =A0with deep underground style breaks, = house.....i > think i stopped drinking at =A0830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..t= hou > helluv intoxicated i managed to =A0walk to bart with my new friend mike a= nd > hung out at the coffee shop got to =A0know him a lil better and stuff.. a= nywho... > > i had a mad wikked =A0time.. > > > back to work now..cya > > -adrie > > --- On Mon, =A07/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote= : > > From: =A0dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: [sfraves] =A0weekend reports? > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, =A06:59 AM > > > OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed =A0an epic > weekend. =A0Care to share a =A0report? > > Thanks! > > Peter > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To =A0unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional =A0commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > **************Summer concert season is here! 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Thank you for your cooperation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151186-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 14 13:56:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20418 invoked by uid 1103); 14 Jul 2009 13:56:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20356 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 13:56:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247579816; bh=Ti38IYu4LFT/8c3PwYbzVoc7C8f8c5GGbjB+GUqUeso=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H4FYHRV448tr5tbLIcBBOPj/SePDy5Hiwtm87i68ECyHtMHgGksn12mVyFucKnfhFP45DAdib3MLoW7NwzwAWB37uJpc31lpQqsbnaJPehW7ujVksgXzTCx34A9Z4Uvyhleyg6u+g5isp3LuHAHyIhb6Z0XsMhAOaeJorP1yvKY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vqb9CIdW3JMh86xgal2mOv2milyZUW/r60TvGgcXBGZQAGB18tSgiQ1lT3gDvi7QRUAAnG+PG1CYuRVlwWmZ0nspGoqFLry+W3dQh+VMU5H1Dr1YJyUd46GybZT1WrsPe9jvmMec3Pqnj4ZBAHRfC4YWKr7xb98SXBP2Ncs3w2M=; Message-ID: <287352.38114.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .4syD2MVM1nruqkT4WWHi84BbVjEuB4nMgvx2Y_pjztL927nyItYb1b8YKyt19otz_l95O8zBOJKwbh.fboQO3klOMHtslIiIjHkcz_M1DK9ZD30l7fcMVmcpDjl4IGd.bnJFhzApGTh.hoxGAGYJEgran.Meimo7dRgqgq31bdF6W04yCRe5EQYzrAgZT76UmwDwGjEBjhkMoOF2SGckPqxXl0jxMW1TlnXop4TJja7zCjBsz6qgcJ94v897R.Bt0h2lPZw_cDZ1VEdiRBHP89_qd2u9UkSkbiaBqqwpxRYbw23caMeA7AB2RO10rY4JXbQVGGgra98tQzqj5SiMkacqbRIgw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:56:56 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Sean G , Funkyfresh900@aol.com Cc: eesiad1@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? The Vault would be a great space for a party actually. Plus I could pick up some Nice Collective shirts while I was there. Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Sean G To: Funkyfresh900@aol.com Cc: eesiad1@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:28:23 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? The vault as in the clothing store on haight? wtf? On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM, wrote: > Went to GG park my friend was spinning. Then went to Neverlarnd! super fun, > sad they change venues though, Still awesome. after went to The vault. > some vault after party. Pretty sick. like it was awesome left at six am. went > home blahh > > > In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:48:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > eesiad1@yahoo.com writes: > > Happy Monday!!!! > > my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) > > went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party > saturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! > :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. > > then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand by > the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got > lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically > over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after > everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i > think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou > helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike and > hung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho... > > i had a mad wikked time.. > > > back to work now..cya > > -adrie > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM > > > OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic > weekend. Care to share a report? > > Thanks! > > Peter > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on > tour at TourTracker.com. > (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) > -- kekekekeke =[^.^]= zomg!!111 kekekekeke This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-email and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151187-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 14 14:45:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5466 invoked by uid 1103); 14 Jul 2009 14:45:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5438 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 14:45:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:references:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :mime-version:subject:date:cc; bh=Rbeb/DNPW1cQWbOvWsfmy8fJisuDVJePztqRZzSyPvU=; b=i0bDXSemDJ4Wlvdctf2gqkebLx7jHaUhZsIKUnd42P+IVOLtTlsTmASz5fudyK10UA 9SIRinh7SFqOQJ8ZrH3HUbYjFwmtwjt++SsK345AHkCC+L4VhE3TOnNjFnS4hzqYk3Jm JsgJr0mlyEl0NH/0lBu9TOpxGpE+9eLng6jNM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:date:cc; b=uKrtPottXZ7i0tnI19ag9ty2HfyCIDC7WxunYTJ/tLNOeq/QB49ZfE4SSKcW8Q5UMO UvFXpL6TFvz0sY5ZbHf1+X1tb91SQKNRRotYe3p6ZfJCWTzYpMW1zP+31mLXus3HCEXJ iX6n7L3ZewwJXQ73x3hwXSkjyjhAQWBgLTagM= References: <287352.38114.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Danielle Dozoretz To: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" In-Reply-To: <287352.38114.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5H11) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5H11) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:45:46 -0700 Cc: Sean G , "Funkyfresh900@aol.com" , "eesiad1@yahoo.com" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? The Vault is a recently refurbished bank vault in Oakland. Some good friends of mine worked on the setup and provided gear for the party. Oh and then got hassled and punched by some douchebag err I mean dj when they were retrieving records behind the booth. (I wasn't there this is firsthand account from my girlfriend with a black eye. I'm really outraged that this type if behavior happened. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2009, at 6:56 AM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > The Vault would be a great space for a party actually. Plus I could > pick up some Nice Collective shirts while I was there. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sean G > To: Funkyfresh900@aol.com > Cc: eesiad1@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:28:23 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? > > The vault as in the clothing store on haight? wtf? > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM, wrote: >> Went to GG park my friend was spinning. Then went to Neverlarnd! >> super fun, >> sad they change venues though, Still awesome. after went to The >> vault. >> some vault after party. Pretty sick. like it was awesome left at >> six am. went >> home blahh >> >> >> In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:48:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> eesiad1@yahoo.com writes: >> >> Happy Monday!!!! >> >> my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) >> >> went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party >> saturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was >> friggin hot!!! >> :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. >> >> then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to >> sand by >> the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl >> in... i got >> lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was >> practically >> over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after >> everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style >> breaks, house.....i >> think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till >> 9ish..thou >> helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend >> mike and >> hung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and >> stuff.. anywho... >> >> i had a mad wikked time.. >> >> >> back to work now..cya >> >> -adrie >> >> --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> wrote: >> >> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM >> >> >> OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic >> weekend. Care to share a report? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Peter >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite >> artists on >> tour at TourTracker.com. >> (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) >> > > > > -- > kekekekeke > =[^.^]= zomg!!111 > kekekekeke > > This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the > addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based > on this message or any information herein. If you have received this > message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply > e-email and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151188-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 14 14:58:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29394 invoked by uid 1103); 14 Jul 2009 14:58:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29369 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 14:58:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247583532; bh=iCbtQ2I0xfKxXGAmV1WHmsuXAj0dJrT54/9giw3D+S4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oYQc+IrIPv9Bxk1pKk2innQ5jHBPNpdFhIHyl5wIP1h2vYGz4N6UAxG85FAntL/dwHAvOtw4LWqR24pnFmVerZ6f2ssP6UhBc9Q13uN6g8RnvG4k8W63Osya5g+nfUOIn2HxzRuhf6NkF3yoyjOQfhMbAfxlrlCqiO58pOPUqs8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2ob0jETDoWPMA9a6+YZsOUUo22rLeEuOZPugh9LmLpGwSUPBQbHrQRx2fo1lMXh1quKOKxzbhNZwi7Y1bP0sayDtT78KAm+E64Z2D+bnIijnWL/OsUjX/vGlTKn1MOf0oX6PCU5xlIxmKkgUxaZDzRnEDwKfxps0qNjAYyqFigE=; Message-ID: <375977.28062.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: bjMq_7gVM1mHvtbjk627kfXVVUeTeQG.D4jYjPjcLoPuNObRaTvxzhOuL5t57TXl3OSWpxsPtuyAnd16XWDpMVXCemu25OY01GC2lsCd9lk7Jx5pQxgsFtsWO5M704PR5VrIBsbdt3X1tpVuuFP0ymr.ZiNq8UrP0PSbbAlSQzIxcWLhZo7mUc69SJNObkXmDxRjpCFQ7pZw6L4Eltqj6jnEf7ZgDdiAgb2K2QC0yOtU3maP0xNXxmpfVrdY.KS2xvdfSTaDJHpFWvYyOENih1MMuDLEobTStFp.ypuJ6ErtpQ1WdSYjGH6xTerU6CUBI00wdfpMxrfd4zMLv83wK2BezukOpg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <287352.38114.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:58:52 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Danielle Dozoretz Cc: Sean G , "Funkyfresh900@aol.com" , "eesiad1@yahoo.com" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Seems like a bit of drama surrounding these two parties... DRAMA. Just say no. Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Danielle Dozoretz To: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" Cc: Sean G ; "Funkyfresh900@aol.com" ; "eesiad1@yahoo.com" ; "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:45:46 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? The Vault is a recently refurbished bank vault in Oakland. Some good friends of mine worked on the setup and provided gear for the party. Oh and then got hassled and punched by some douchebag err I mean dj when they were retrieving records behind the booth. (I wasn't there this is firsthand account from my girlfriend with a black eye. I'm really outraged that this type if behavior happened. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2009, at 6:56 AM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > The Vault would be a great space for a party actually. Plus I could pick up some Nice Collective shirts while I was there. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sean G > To: Funkyfresh900@aol.com > Cc: eesiad1@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:28:23 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? > > The vault as in the clothing store on haight? wtf? > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM, wrote: >> Went to GG park my friend was spinning. Then went to Neverlarnd! super fun, >> sad they change venues though, Still awesome. after went to The vault. >> some vault after party. Pretty sick. like it was awesome left at six am. went >> home blahh >> >> >> In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:48:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> eesiad1@yahoo.com writes: >> >> Happy Monday!!!! >> >> my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) >> >> went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party >> saturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! >> :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. >> >> then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand by >> the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got >> lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically >> over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after >> everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i >> think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou >> helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike and >> hung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho... >> >> i had a mad wikked time.. >> >> >> back to work now..cya >> >> -adrie >> >> --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM >> >> >> OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic >> weekend. Care to share a report? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Peter >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on >> tour at TourTracker.com. >> (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) >> > > > > --kekekekeke > =[^.^]= zomg!!111 > kekekekeke > > This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the > addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based > on this message or any information herein. If you have received this > message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply > e-email and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151189-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 14 20:19:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42043 invoked by uid 1103); 14 Jul 2009 20:19:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42020 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 20:19:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xb3dOVIZEMos8T5sxm1Td3SKzmMy5p1OPgYmX2Vix/Y=; b=HXje++z0zlZJBc8O4XnOlV/Yzxn37ShEh2DudoN+R80o3Sf7CVw1mdvOA59eNHft8A BB2M2o93cEIY+Xz+jBmS/FQ5Ip9eccsYzne9zm0Y8K3tRDzBeCaKeRLwAF0eDce0KSUW NY8uay03Ee1U0nfs5PesxneLgfBtOabclLRlk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KztcLHc+qcCliv+AhZpdiAdObGJoiYBlu3wteYk8HChk/VbJsdCACyz0qPXRzcJHA2 qIFRPTvYkko9bUBcELMyhKRvYqgGtc4hFHox+DS/sGDXQvHc82r3CIxNbX1y/VlppUlX MpqIV4QxjqQXlq0dGQ/7LGyuGrEeAzGaZ17AE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <287352.38114.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:20:01 -0700 Message-ID: From: Sean G To: Danielle Dozoretz Cc: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" , "Funkyfresh900@aol.com" , "eesiad1@yahoo.com" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Sounds awesome... Where is this thing again?? :) On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Danielle Dozoretz w= rote: > The Vault is a recently refurbished bank vault in Oakland. Some good frie= nds > of mine worked on the setup and provided gear for the party. Oh and then = got > hassled and punched by some douchebag err I mean dj when they were > retrieving records behind the booth. > > (I wasn't there this is firsthand account from my girlfriend with a black > eye. I'm really outraged that this type if behavior happened. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 14, 2009, at 6:56 AM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > >> >> The Vault would be a great space for a party actually. =A0Plus I could p= ick >> up some Nice Collective shirts while I was there. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Sean G >> To: Funkyfresh900@aol.com >> Cc: eesiad1@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:28:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? >> >> The vault as in the clothing store on haight? wtf? >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM, wrote: >>> >>> Went to GG park my friend was spinning. Then went to Neverlarnd! super >>> fun, >>> sad they change venues though, Still awesome. after went to The vault. >>> some =A0vault after party. Pretty sick. like it was awesome left at six= am. >>> went >>> home =A0blahh >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:48:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>> eesiad1@yahoo.com writes: >>> >>> Happy =A0Monday!!!! >>> >>> my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end =A0:) >>> >>> went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party >>> saturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggi= n >>> =A0hot!!! >>> :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. >>> >>> then i went home and =A0changed over about midnight to head over to san= d by >>> the ton..thou by the time =A0we got there they werent letting ppl in...= i >>> got >>> lucky enough to get in...yay! =A0me! :) by the time i got in it was >>> practically >>> over...boo! but an amazing =A0after hours party for staff happen after >>> everyone left.. whiched rocked it =A0with deep underground style breaks= , >>> house.....i >>> think i stopped drinking at =A0830 didnt leave the warehouse till >>> 9ish..thou >>> helluv intoxicated i managed to =A0walk to bart with my new friend mike= and >>> hung out at the coffee shop got to =A0know him a lil better and stuff.. >>> anywho... >>> >>> i had a mad wikked =A0time.. >>> >>> >>> back to work now..cya >>> >>> -adrie >>> >>> --- On Mon, =A07/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wro= te: >>> >>> From: =A0dangrsmind@yahoo.com >>> Subject: [sfraves] =A0weekend reports? >>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>> Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, =A06:59 AM >>> >>> >>> OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed =A0an epic >>> weekend. =A0Care to share a =A0report? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To =A0unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional =A0commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists >>> on >>> tour at TourTracker.com. >>> (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=3Demlcntusmusi00000006) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> kekekekeke >> =3D[^.^]=3D zomg!!111 >> kekekekeke >> >> This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. >> If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the >> addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based >> on this message or any information herein. If you have received this >> message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply >> e-email and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > --=20 kekekekeke =3D[^.^]=3D zomg!!111 kekekekeke This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. 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'cos tonight we can be as on tonight drinks spilled on speaker cabinets ravers puddled on the floor but we won't stop dancing not till the dj plays the last track sunday muppet sunday sunday muppet sunday sunday muppet sunday sunday muppet sunday oh, let's go! and the beats and bass won't stop this track is hot, do you know the dj on? his beats move me cross the floor one two three four rave on sunday muppet sunday sunday toxic sunday how long, how long will this rave go on? how long, till dawn! 'cos tonight we can be as one, tonight. sunday muppet sunday sunday muppet sunday Wipe the tears from your eyes Wipe your tears away. I'll wipe your tears away. I'll wipe your tears away. I'll wipe your bloodshot eyes. Sunday, muppet Sunday. Sunday, muppet Sunday. And it's true we don't stop we drop beats all over town from sun down to sun down We eat and drink and dance and play The real rave just begun To toxic beach to soak up the sun On... Sunday, muppet Sunday Sunday, muppet Sunday.. --0-1946252748-1247605847=:38972-- From sfraves-return-151191-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 14 22:52:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56601 invoked by uid 1103); 14 Jul 2009 22:52:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56566 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 22:52:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Estioko X-X-Sender: terry@taz3 To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com cc: Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <87281.53192.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090714153737.C81417@taz3> References: <464972.22925.qm@web112407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <87281.53192.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Got some YouTube vids up from Sand by the Ton. Super fun night :-) Opulent Temple Stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AVZbWnmo6s Symbiosis/False Profit stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-yfHk47OCc Brothel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wKJa52qqlI More at my channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry -terry ------------------------------------------ terry estioko | terry@hyperreal.org SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > Saw some pix from Sand by the ton that looked awesome... > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Adriana > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? > > Happy Monday!!!! > > my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) > > went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party saturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. > > then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho... > > i had a mad wikked time.. > > > back to work now..cya > > -adrie > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM > > > OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend. Care to share a report? > > Thanks! > > Peter > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151192-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 14 23:16:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86352 invoked by uid 1103); 14 Jul 2009 23:16:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86315 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 23:16:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247613399; bh=UxA/JzuGvH6NAmo9EngiLtD3lHVspMokqBPmkd6nAnA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SiQ7q9P6XqNX6I+J4ydnreitkpZlisjAEJLTG1ul1fxgdr1IG+BAP9zxSfLHO1LiuDc4rdaDdJSraueIrrbsqA2xARRV1FPlBCz+AYDU42FaqbXXTOYvyUBXLfNQ9VCLIAdBCxfS4cmaiMbsy7M1rsFdkuOIK1RqYecK87NAFeo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uor2EyFRwFEQyMvLKLVOPkkyKVIvgy39I2LmtlHwv6faQ6HYBONtQPY2UIP2rmlRzkmpqpz3t64IElLmnmxA0mhhgpnNIZtQupiro8Z/jJXVxs/nLQ1leFUSEajoa6mSqhGaZUeEQ0UNrGcNYW6CEosmpepgDQ+mj/+NOaupvwA=; Message-ID: <847365.66040.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xsFtjm8VM1lX3Kgf9.hil4FHq35mUbJe7GhLUNAjsJKAgc4jobdRVqcC8BNjWb4Oif01Nf2xpsaF6qXAutTItlnulXnP4KJh9nqstnvtqNWk1IIbQcTMqBQlKc2yf_0wD6U.Hki5rST21oez48AvXTC9twDTkPrYCfzvcoEUAYDFgR37xEBM3BXwLO9QkUuDKxnlVRTuyZDLpMfuTfG5GpQjlWcoN1WMa.HEp_0rePfuOuVcbiqhDUOl1GroWA.lgyQT.J4qvrP0C5kji_cKTAYVg2beqL98oX9g9PW3po_qVk7OXdUao35mynRIUTDR3qPyIFwd8jgqDZ4s.lohpp37qw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Layla Lewis To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, Terry Estioko Cc: Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20090714153737.C81417@taz3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2032684585-1247613399=:66040" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? --0-2032684585-1247613399=:66040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wait, which mike? did he do the mural on the midway? --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote: From: Terry Estioko Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM Got some YouTube vids up from Sand by the Ton. Super fun=20 night :-) Opulent Temple Stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4AVZbWnmo6s Symbiosis/False Profit stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7-yfHk47OCc Brothel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3wKJa52qqlI More at my channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry -terry ------------------------------------------ terry estioko=A0 =A0=A0=A0| terry@hyperreal.org SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > Saw some pix from Sand by the ton that looked awesome... > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Adriana > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? > > Happy Monday!!!! > > my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) > > went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party satur= day night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! = :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. > > then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand by = the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got = lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practicall= y over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after every= one left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, house.....= i think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou= helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike and h= ung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho.= .. > > i had a mad wikked time.. > > > back to work now..cya > > -adrie > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM > > > OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic weeke= nd.=A0 Care to share a report? > > Thanks! > > Peter > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org =0A=0A=0A --0-2032684585-1247613399=:66040-- From sfraves-return-151193-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 14 23:31:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6622 invoked by uid 1103); 14 Jul 2009 23:31:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6589 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 23:31:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247614307; bh=wuw+Cs/ctUVWwt+Fip3kjYQBvqmMz6QpQ6B0ZrlzN3o=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TdVoNz3ouXjP3K3BCTZI/YApeGl7+FSFc53L7r+3sh/6HE14xybHHQwHZ01nrOAHY3qlX1Yym8BFtqjYhWZoMY6w0HzohFCpf+L8gzT0FgO0tRaL3unrJeWEl2RdCgL4DUbQ47yS8hrYEQRF+vRDa6+JbvJkxq4YzZJGEXkeIKE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y4oJEhrnkDzHRA8Ghlxk00aYFg9QFK00wV99UhGgI6Tg5yu3iYxrjdQeA12WYqJNrXJmQNl//4myjPsoaBbxAoh88soTR+3hu64iB2XB/RifCSwKSNzRUVnW+kBWFspJUftDVajeCR0zgXNOyv/FZMUPA8y1D2ImzAmMEMwYarM=; Message-ID: <925163.90126.qm@web112409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: R5TOBD0VM1mxJCQ.7xQXum64odo4ikq_PHT8FFydlwFhZaAgLmko0JMX0QINJTivaVu5fY1Y8S6zX2jEitrHWA8f.NvN.kdLtoAoZWMTyM0ObtB3vpbdEads.vHX5dYH5QTFkU6UozNqd6HHHn.JsPq8_ObVi0B_ZOuOyNVvrEwmNSubhQkvKT5iXieXAbESAhw3VR1i6QrXI4fn9bQ6665isyWtyRrBuRpI814JMNe8.rB5nWZ4qSVj5OAgMn3hzX3Nr9qRr7QRvVrQ8Fb2.l007.XsYMww1hChEmWBNScFHpttjW_x.K50NAaPi8jRCThvv0DG2lrD4fwa3Ms5NnxBabvk X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, Terry Estioko , Layla Lewis Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <847365.66040.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1811021471-1247614307=:90126" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? --0-1811021471-1247614307=:90126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mural..that i don't know..i know he draws and paints and stuff he showed me= some of his art murallly type things.. =A0 the guy you saw me with the whole entire time.. rememeber i told you that y= ou looked like a cop and you told him do i look like a cop and he said..yes= .. thats mike -> terry's friend --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Layla Lewis wrote: From: Layla Lewis Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" Cc: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:16 PM wait, which mike? did he do the mural on the midway? --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote: From: Terry Estioko Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM Got some YouTube vids up from Sand by the Ton. Super fun=20 night :-) Opulent Temple Stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4AVZbWnmo6s Symbiosis/False Profit stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7-yfHk47OCc Brothel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3wKJa52qqlI More at my channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry -terry ------------------------------------------ terry estioko=A0 =A0=A0=A0| terry@hyperreal.org SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > Saw some pix from Sand by the ton that looked awesome... > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Adriana > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? > > Happy Monday!!!! > > my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) > > went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party satur= day night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! = :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. > > then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand by = the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got = lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practicall= y over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after every= one left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, house.....= i think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou= helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike and h= ung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho.= .. > > i had a mad wikked time.. > > > back to work now..cya > > -adrie > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM > > > OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic weeke= nd.=A0 Care to share a report? > > Thanks! > > Peter > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org =A0 =A0 =A0 =0A=0A=0A --0-1811021471-1247614307=:90126-- From sfraves-return-151194-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 00:08:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53308 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 00:08:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53283 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 00:08:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:08:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Estioko X-X-Sender: terry@taz3 To: Adriana cc: Layla Lewis , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <925163.90126.qm@web112409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090714170725.J81417@taz3> References: <925163.90126.qm@web112409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1321518126-1247616500=:81417" X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? --0-1321518126-1247616500=:81417 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Mike was working parking was me :-) -terry On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, Adriana wrote: > mural..that i don't know..i know he draws and paints and stuff he showed me some of his art murallly type things.. >   > the guy you saw me with the whole entire time.. rememeber i told you that you looked like a cop and you told him do i look like a cop and he said..yes.. thats mike -> terry's friend > > --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Layla Lewis wrote: > > > From: Layla Lewis > Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? > To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" > Cc: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:16 PM > > > wait, which mike? did he do the mural on the midway? > > --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote: > > From: Terry Estioko > Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? > To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Cc: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM > > Got some YouTube vids up from Sand by the Ton. Super fun > night :-) > > Opulent Temple Stage: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AVZbWnmo6s > > Symbiosis/False Profit stage: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-yfHk47OCc > > Brothel: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wKJa52qqlI > > More at my channel: > http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry > > -terry > > > ------------------------------------------ > terry estioko     | terry@hyperreal.org > SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org > > On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > >> >> Saw some pix from Sand by the ton that looked awesome... >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Adriana >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? >> >> Happy Monday!!!! >> >> my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) >> >> went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party saturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. >> >> then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho... >> >> i had a mad wikked time.. >> >> >> back to work now..cya >> >> -adrie >> >> --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM >> >> >> OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend.  Care to share a report? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Peter >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >       --0-1321518126-1247616500=:81417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-1321518126-1247616500=:81417-- From sfraves-return-151195-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 00:28:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79025 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 00:28:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78992 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 00:28:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247617741; bh=c9rJTIaotxQN4aNqToihaLZI1sT9lKo3MEHtYL4k47Y=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dd4LrBrVdw3Z76HrA4TYnSLvoXpj+wycxZicHYIuS4jCIo1OkLp6ZGzwjImFWfEGaS62mj3yEDR0nk68kctAmXEYMo65ITmZSUTrqkr2njeJvr1kfqLHlNalypJIc2BekqrD7r7FSMT8Cu9abfm/qdY8klRFApkucHFry2b3k8A= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NFNRi674dxKZ3lPhybaIqY7kPqvVd9IGFpiQ4fyMozVVcd10af8/xa3Cm+PGlWWtDBQr4dLxg3Tnc89thjpTjA/UugKvPMrIE9xOgIeVeCG93eF9qM8DEvqOZNcxf7J+TquUVqG0JuqiT33dG5UZwa+k0dEtMSlc+9T5npxHI2E=; Message-ID: <194671.59574.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: MJRm2HkVM1nQdVHzjQ3zUxkIVkp0DlSKm1W70Uz11bgCzFMJKUBlw2W0PebFHgCe5Cbb8XEiGjQKTitlmSpGo2xi8cfNrcWGJg6kDDb3Q9QK29XrO6LEX0bPmM3DaaMXh0.FDPv8prk2wHRreH2jhJbHHDZSvzWCyJxvNGbLrxeoJK.FozDY5ZOVFuNJwVSwsE6Zi5h.ZQWalUHIIok9iqtETr7m0yaePEvfGpMYVh4DTVmDiKnXDJYI1PKsAuOuGxeKLyOvAI69bPPrvCLB_V8.cfP9alOkZ8DP4u779XTKXwUsbD_oWDqJejsp7EXE3w9.V5F97vpKv5.4KBlDjrwsgg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:29:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Layla Lewis To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, Terry Estioko , Adriana Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <925163.90126.qm@web112409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-447220726-1247617740=:59574" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? --0-447220726-1247617740=:59574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wait... i look like a cop?=20 --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Adriana wrote: From: Adriana Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" , "Layla Lew= is" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:31 PM mural..that i don't know..i know he draws and paints and stuff he showed me= some of his art murallly type things.. =20 the guy you saw me with the whole entire time.. rememeber i told you that y= ou looked like a cop and you told him do i look like a cop and he said..yes= .. thats mike -> terry's friend --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Layla Lewis wrote: From: Layla Lewis Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" Cc: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:16 PM wait, which mike? did he do the mural on the midway? --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote: From: Terry Estioko Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM Got some YouTube vids up from Sand by the Ton. Super fun=20 night :-) Opulent Temple Stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4AVZbWnmo6s Symbiosis/False Profit stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7-yfHk47OCc Brothel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3wKJa52qqlI More at my channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry -terry ------------------------------------------ terry estioko | terry@hyperreal.org SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > Saw some pix from Sand by the ton that looked awesome... > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Adriana > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? > > Happy Monday!!!! > > my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) > > went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party satur= day night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! = :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. > > then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand by = the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got = lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practicall= y over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after every= one left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, house.....= i think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou= helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike and h= ung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho.= .. > > i had a mad wikked time.. > > > back to work now..cya > > -adrie > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM > > > OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic weeke= nd. Care to share a report? > > Thanks! > > Peter > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org =20 =A0 =A0 =A0 =0A=0A=0A --0-447220726-1247617740=:59574-- From sfraves-return-151196-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 00:31:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82617 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 00:31:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82591 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 00:31:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247617918; bh=cy0wwELs3muoKOCeELyqlBCY/igDKH6cPdsY19IS01E=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iFkkEfct17Hqzy6LG/CVOlSnCJcNj6xDMwbvSzqXH/lI7CPPNoWqNRJblVkxrOBoIMx1rZ9Tkz9TKKZo5BonSysVICyyI711nFZDxd81P4VwXHH9grEA7YZtO9MdW7sJG2x+TOkOqRAzysvQVxJCz6g8HRkf1gg8DDXqyUT9OvA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qdBP2ntX27MCGjoqEg6ROyCDs8tPPlgLnH18zQgIPaanTs/9k0PLS5fwBNox/YICJfJsz/G9rUxUYRfy3qHK402w28wyEqQs5nrLSg8okMgt4RCmtauU2ew7ZTwrK5rqyotsWqtV/9cM7uWopBONs64YGDIPWmVaZ05sSeQM0Lg=; Message-ID: <986900.95015.qm@web112418.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ae5L66QVM1nXgeSElnScnJ9nO7V8Xz.V6LIVLImrMk4B8h1Vnqc3HMNhfphRsPPwQUrQq6wNkNwOHFoa2s24_Avfl_ijVCyu0mTmPaMbGQ6xKO96qzwA7h91XyQ2hlBrTCBAt2eJugTffmruI_EOKiXag0jhPgF_SdBTaCsFu3LfL8IpC3BXwTvZJDcxbcQCzGgGrXnp3N7ErzZJ.rt9RKBoE2JyIBPezFtCBtzVAny4L8w6gZfn3SPZeZPJCkdHRqQ8wNsKsF5wPwOckyv0i50xdt42ioqgMW4bPjCHfiSPpivmTO5Q6Vb3eneF49QgzTkISmL27lJtsLbR.lDpKdSnPgaVrQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:31:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: "terry@hyperreal.org" Cc: "layla6942@yahoo.com" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: <20090714170725.J81417@taz3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Yeah we were talking on the phone while you were wrkg parking lot...=0A=0AT= erry Estioko wrote: =0A> Mike was working parking was me :-)=0A> -terry=0A>= On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, Adriana wrote:=0A>> mural..that i don't know..i know = he draws and paints and stuff he showed me some of his art murallly type th= ings..=0A>> =A0=0A>> the guy you saw me with the whole entire time.. rememe= ber i told you that you looked like a cop and you told him do i look like a= cop and he said..yes.. thats mike -> terry's friend=0A>>=0A>> --- On Tue, = 7/14/09, Layla Lewis wrote:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> From: Layl= a Lewis =0A>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?= =0A>> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" =0A>> = Cc: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Date: Tuesday= , July 14, 2009, 4:16 PM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> wait, which mike? did he do the mur= al on the midway?=0A>>=0A>> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote:=0A>>=0A>> From: Terry Estioko =0A>> S= ubject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A>> C= c: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Date: Tuesday,= July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM=0A>>=0A>> Got some YouTube vids up from Sand by the= Ton. Super fun=0A>> night :-)=0A>>=0A>> Opulent Temple Stage:=0A>> http://= www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4AVZbWnmo6s=0A>>=0A>> Symbiosis/False Profit stag= e:=0A>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7-yfHk47OCc=0A>>=0A>> Brothel:=0A>= > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3wKJa52qqlI=0A>>=0A>> More at my channel= :=0A>> http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry=0A>>=0A>> -terry=0A>>=0A= >>=0A>> ------------------------------------------=0A>> terry estioko=A0 = =A0=A0=A0| terry@hyperreal.org=0A>> SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.= org=0A>>=0A>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>=0A>>>= =0A>>> Saw some pix from Sand by the ton that looked awesome...=0A>>>=0A>>>= Peter=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> ----- Original Message ----=0A>>> From: Adri= ana =0A>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.c= om=0A>>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM=0A>>> Subject: Re: [sfrave= s] weekend reports?=0A>>>=0A>>> Happy Monday!!!!=0A>>>=0A>>> my weekend was= a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :)=0A>>>=0A>>> went to one of= my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party saturday night which = was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! :p everyone look= ed awesome dressed up..=0A>>>=0A>>> then i went home and changed over about= midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the time we got there th= ey werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by t= he time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an amazing after hours = party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep un= derground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt l= eave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to = bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee shop got to know hi= m a lil better and stuff.. anywho...=0A>>>=0A>>> i had a mad wikked time..= =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> back to work now..cya=0A>>>=0A>>> -adrie=0A>>>=0A>>> ---= On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>>= =0A>>> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com =0A>>> Subject: [sf= raves] weekend reports?=0A>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>>> Date: Monday,= July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> OK, I'm back from camping at Clea= r Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend.=A0 Care to share a report?=0A>>= >=0A>>> Thanks!=0A>>>=0A>>> Peter=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> -----------------------= ----------------------------------------------=0A>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail= : sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>>> For additional commands, e-mail: = sfraves-help@hyperreal.org=0A>>>=0A>>> ------------------------------------= ---------------------------------=0A>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-uns= ubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@= hyperreal.org=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>> ---------------------------------------------= ------------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@h= yperreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.o= rg=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =A0 =A0 =A0=0A=0A=0A=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151197-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 00:33:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85637 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 00:33:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85610 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 00:33:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247618026; bh=cy0wwELs3muoKOCeELyqlBCY/igDKH6cPdsY19IS01E=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LQ1S8r/4lMSBQQ17eIzPpQ9Uacxl4WcH1889euxY4ttPgPbaN0anAOIn5kAmq2ZBzN5DdtdDR+ZstyGuWXe23ISGyrXz/emBw15137DYPlEsrY2FrJ/jOwPIMd2JgJ3gm6a9J49qxJQzT1OyA6Kxz9TvxugwDLV2FyQ1lettIAc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yD/iW0mA8KK/YZZLdnOp1acBRQRwRUtGFTGIceKaCm+qIe5pz+x9aLuWNEQP2zIPxcCw2nJ41sBscK2M8bgWMJ36ZQAF19CKgtYi0I/ixkNwce+mvuXO6bwbzCy4j4ZF8AEe8RfM5os59+ZAaNeuIM6PpGvbe4sH6s0teTmtqm8=; Message-ID: <919496.7349.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ywzjeYUVM1lTolAqeR6Nk8L0bo9ob5trfWF_ZoxLO3Xu.Rn3EzcHudZmwKctqTuQ5_lURNBTi5S5_HHPl46SxRGVncYxBExqLYPs7d_jUh_dz_nNF3QJ9fsvkYGyvm8y4QAh3YSxAQ_tlbmEK3TvOR6M3egzMP1_MYMJY2_cQsJxYbPnOYwH7F4NCiJD1vsEInsI4qDW5wuO_7vL9PJP4zdWHYjLanLOqTHnNogJzMP6uUaVllrOzk72lPtO1AzqpguE7aZLBuTU41Q4mRM59MEAk3tUEFV6bdGIrV.gjXrEMIq8zSNYV1.db.YP3WobalZWPTlMxijT9JU95c_q_oSJ3eA- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:33:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: "terry@hyperreal.org" Cc: "layla6942@yahoo.com" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: <20090714170725.J81417@taz3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Yeah we were talking on the phone while you were wrkg parking lot...=0A=0AT= erry Estioko wrote: =0A> Mike was working parking was me :-)=0A> -terry=0A>= On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, Adriana wrote:=0A>> mural..that i don't know..i know = he draws and paints and stuff he showed me some of his art murallly type th= ings..=0A>> =A0=0A>> the guy you saw me with the whole entire time.. rememe= ber i told you that you looked like a cop and you told him do i look like a= cop and he said..yes.. thats mike -> terry's friend=0A>>=0A>> --- On Tue, = 7/14/09, Layla Lewis wrote:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> From: Layl= a Lewis =0A>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?= =0A>> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" =0A>> = Cc: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Date: Tuesday= , July 14, 2009, 4:16 PM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> wait, which mike? did he do the mur= al on the midway?=0A>>=0A>> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote:=0A>>=0A>> From: Terry Estioko =0A>> S= ubject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A>> C= c: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Date: Tuesday,= July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM=0A>>=0A>> Got some YouTube vids up from Sand by the= Ton. Super fun=0A>> night :-)=0A>>=0A>> Opulent Temple Stage:=0A>> http://= www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4AVZbWnmo6s=0A>>=0A>> Symbiosis/False Profit stag= e:=0A>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7-yfHk47OCc=0A>>=0A>> Brothel:=0A>= > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3wKJa52qqlI=0A>>=0A>> More at my channel= :=0A>> http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry=0A>>=0A>> -terry=0A>>=0A= >>=0A>> ------------------------------------------=0A>> terry estioko=A0 = =A0=A0=A0| terry@hyperreal.org=0A>> SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.= org=0A>>=0A>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>=0A>>>= =0A>>> Saw some pix from Sand by the ton that looked awesome...=0A>>>=0A>>>= Peter=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> ----- Original Message ----=0A>>> From: Adri= ana =0A>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.c= om=0A>>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM=0A>>> Subject: Re: [sfrave= s] weekend reports?=0A>>>=0A>>> Happy Monday!!!!=0A>>>=0A>>> my weekend was= a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :)=0A>>>=0A>>> went to one of= my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party saturday night which = was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! :p everyone look= ed awesome dressed up..=0A>>>=0A>>> then i went home and changed over about= midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the time we got there th= ey werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by t= he time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an amazing after hours = party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep un= derground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt l= eave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to = bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee shop got to know hi= m a lil better and stuff.. anywho...=0A>>>=0A>>> i had a mad wikked time..= =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> back to work now..cya=0A>>>=0A>>> -adrie=0A>>>=0A>>> ---= On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>>= =0A>>> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com =0A>>> Subject: [sf= raves] weekend reports?=0A>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>>> Date: Monday,= July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> OK, I'm back from camping at Clea= r Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend.=A0 Care to share a report?=0A>>= >=0A>>> Thanks!=0A>>>=0A>>> Peter=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> -----------------------= ----------------------------------------------=0A>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail= : sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>>> For additional commands, e-mail: = sfraves-help@hyperreal.org=0A>>>=0A>>> ------------------------------------= ---------------------------------=0A>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-uns= ubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@= hyperreal.org=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>> ---------------------------------------------= ------------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@h= yperreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.o= rg=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =A0 =A0 =A0=0A=0A=0A=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151198-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 00:34:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87754 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 00:34:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87720 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 00:34:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247618115; bh=cy0wwELs3muoKOCeELyqlBCY/igDKH6cPdsY19IS01E=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6Rx1SpsJxHoc+DXaWqziP4Cv4gii53hiX0TViJnxFX3l/XoC3+s1msI46NryduQkn/H8aOPGo0FfH2RwlBioHpZfsTPY1QgplHiXKV5GqeBvu7JYZH3ihTF+Chy+YFbCWgN1iahfkbEhtyVNWTccXIePeK1M3g25HuSiBHTwMwE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DcOr6eY8JeEqW8XU9LPW2Oc7vUuKq8o8OC+WyThELIUY+zQ4Vgl6BYGvKwrYU+1kUDxnz8S6ZTjvszlTeZV/Hnmcs6E7lPjO08HcW1XNudWp2U3a7BgF3oBn4ZMs1v/adT65S23/mc6JdTL/yEXPznH0rQLRwSXHxQXIvX/LZOg=; Message-ID: <937538.64139.qm@web112405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6Tk53U0VM1l8nuSCA9iLWfoz2lj.4O19KAUY6mGJAjcA61yOlKHzxe_poJ.Dhhq03MxNl2FwWyve6Q.PyfyWVB1FkDf95YnrSF.b2wpQ9X1Eaq4tWDuXfZzC4MuHE4fkhtNrgT75Xp3Xo8OibqXyj.D89hx2wtICXiKORsFpZIEt1K5pHAoQh_yUn.pSMxUHV7npNZwT5rfGowJVVYRLZJEstOTYLjC1P0bh5Z_BXluOnsn0FTp2rhQ6f_AInfSnodHqSddWKnH1_XCA_OAy3H2hFd0ABxU.g3rgcKtlCiT87mRvvmRWN38uN4JXA3ACiOPpH46iUyN5pElncdhVi0oY2SE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: "terry@hyperreal.org" Cc: "layla6942@yahoo.com" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: <20090714170725.J81417@taz3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Yeah we were talking on the phone while you were wrkg parking lot...=0A=0AT= erry Estioko wrote: =0A> Mike was working parking was me :-)=0A> -terry=0A>= On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, Adriana wrote:=0A>> mural..that i don't know..i know = he draws and paints and stuff he showed me some of his art murallly type th= ings..=0A>> =A0=0A>> the guy you saw me with the whole entire time.. rememe= ber i told you that you looked like a cop and you told him do i look like a= cop and he said..yes.. thats mike -> terry's friend=0A>>=0A>> --- On Tue, = 7/14/09, Layla Lewis wrote:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> From: Layl= a Lewis =0A>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?= =0A>> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" =0A>> = Cc: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Date: Tuesday= , July 14, 2009, 4:16 PM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> wait, which mike? did he do the mur= al on the midway?=0A>>=0A>> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote:=0A>>=0A>> From: Terry Estioko =0A>> S= ubject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A>> C= c: "Adriana" , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Date: Tuesday,= July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM=0A>>=0A>> Got some YouTube vids up from Sand by the= Ton. Super fun=0A>> night :-)=0A>>=0A>> Opulent Temple Stage:=0A>> http://= www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4AVZbWnmo6s=0A>>=0A>> Symbiosis/False Profit stag= e:=0A>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7-yfHk47OCc=0A>>=0A>> Brothel:=0A>= > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3wKJa52qqlI=0A>>=0A>> More at my channel= :=0A>> http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry=0A>>=0A>> -terry=0A>>=0A= >>=0A>> ------------------------------------------=0A>> terry estioko=A0 = =A0=A0=A0| terry@hyperreal.org=0A>> SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.= org=0A>>=0A>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>=0A>>>= =0A>>> Saw some pix from Sand by the ton that looked awesome...=0A>>>=0A>>>= Peter=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> ----- Original Message ----=0A>>> From: Adri= ana =0A>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.c= om=0A>>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM=0A>>> Subject: Re: [sfrave= s] weekend reports?=0A>>>=0A>>> Happy Monday!!!!=0A>>>=0A>>> my weekend was= a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :)=0A>>>=0A>>> went to one of= my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party saturday night which = was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! :p everyone look= ed awesome dressed up..=0A>>>=0A>>> then i went home and changed over about= midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the time we got there th= ey werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by t= he time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an amazing after hours = party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep un= derground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt l= eave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to = bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee shop got to know hi= m a lil better and stuff.. anywho...=0A>>>=0A>>> i had a mad wikked time..= =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> back to work now..cya=0A>>>=0A>>> -adrie=0A>>>=0A>>> ---= On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>>= =0A>>> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com =0A>>> Subject: [sf= raves] weekend reports?=0A>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>>> Date: Monday,= July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> OK, I'm back from camping at Clea= r Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend.=A0 Care to share a report?=0A>>= >=0A>>> Thanks!=0A>>>=0A>>> Peter=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> -----------------------= ----------------------------------------------=0A>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail= : sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>>> For additional commands, e-mail: = sfraves-help@hyperreal.org=0A>>>=0A>>> ------------------------------------= ---------------------------------=0A>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-uns= ubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@= hyperreal.org=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>> ---------------------------------------------= ------------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@h= yperreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.o= rg=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =A0 =A0 =A0=0A=0A=0A=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151199-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 00:38:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92719 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 00:38:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92691 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 00:38:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247618337; bh=B16qCGLFR+WB2AFxEcyQBVmTRNIyP7sbxJSzuUjLtZk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zFsZFUtWoWmLeF9GOSV/vSathKBhNjQ6+N2Q0eZOFD+IQV8T9tN+uQ3mSkn0T49rtURUK6wtWQeQa2SWb1oml30U3/B+tNBmJZqHaCCV63LyvhHpsrOeXuzdXBhY8+35SimcmJI/5681L36KFNHwfVJnWV9QVIZCJTd7frbs9NU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B/2/n/NyA0mU9vsmr6Tg6Jy6epjF92CXXyjcr2qYkpax5tBrD4SmJnbVskkZew+/RR23mimvKgNYdtTSrHK3i3cP7ppDDS4s6VtngOJgIe7pvKjIuQgE9cm9seLt7wdJoHkHZhfUJMHr3Qfj3xwzDPxwtf9RxHD4TfJR0y9HPcQ=; Message-ID: <929771.3943.qm@web112419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7Y_tyK8VM1m3zEbwHqYemwTyu47UnkyXRtWJlfj.bXk_DcXVKBtvJcIOD_b2zxC0iB7a.QqFn0QdKCLMbQFNLGTnhAlsYbdW1X.4satlwdz_flK_tXFkNnL9oiP.hwtPuix5bTUmrTvPzp.95u2TR34SCRnkxpPdg3jNUZw5W0TibzpvpBZPjF0NEHKKvQuZ.AnO6wcywPpqmsy.PC4XE.R_f6tD4ibBQGoiZkY0dp.pX6gYwNFb5zS4iMNVvcnPcrq.S7ngHRX3uDkDbW2dmnC4GrqWd3PwEdz9Bh.gi5NgHco8eOx1GqAiZfezw3e5QRxdFTDdBtIZf7gM7nxqjAOaxoc- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: "layla6942@yahoo.com" Cc: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" , "terry@hyperreal.org" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: <194671.59574.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Hellz yeah! Lolz u were wearing that walkie talkie=0A=0ALayla Lewis wrote: = =0A> wait... i look like a cop? =0A> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Adriana wrote:=0A> From: Adriana =0A> Subject: Re: [s= fraves] weekend reports?=0A> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" , "Layla Lewis" =0A> Cc: sfraves@hype= rreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:31 PM=0A> mural..that i don't= know..i know he draws and paints and stuff he showed me some of his art mu= rallly type things..=0A> =0A> the guy you saw me with the whole entire tim= e.. rememeber i told you that you looked like a cop and you told him do i l= ook like a cop and he said..yes.. thats mike -> terry's friend=0A> --- On T= ue, 7/14/09, Layla Lewis wrote:=0A> From: Layla Lewis= =0A> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A> To: = dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" =0A> Cc: "Adrian= a" , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2= 009, 4:16 PM=0A> wait, which mike? did he do the mural on the midway?=0A> -= -- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote:=0A> From: Te= rry Estioko =0A> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend report= s?=0A> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A> Cc: "Adriana" , sfra= ves@hyperreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM=0A> Got some Yo= uTube vids up from Sand by the Ton. Super fun =0A> night :-)=0A> Opulent Te= mple Stage:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4AVZbWnmo6s=0A> Symbiosis/= False Profit stage:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7-yfHk47OCc=0A> Br= othel:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3wKJa52qqlI=0A> More at my chan= nel:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry=0A> -terry=0A> -------= -----------------------------------=0A> terry estioko | terry@hyperreal= .org=0A> SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org=0A> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009= , dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>=0A>> Saw some pix from Sand by the ton t= hat looked awesome...=0A>>=0A>> Peter=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> ----- Original Me= ssage ----=0A>> From: Adriana =0A>> To: sfraves@hyperrea= l.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM=0A= >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>>=0A>> Happy Monday!!!!=0A>>= =0A>> my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :)=0A>>= =0A>> went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party s= aturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot= !!! :p everyone looked awesome dressed up..=0A>>=0A>> then i went home and = changed over about midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the ti= me we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in.= ..yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an am= azing after hours party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rock= ed it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drink= ing at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i m= anaged to walk to bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee s= hop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho...=0A>>=0A>> i had a ma= d wikked time..=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> back to work now..cya=0A>>=0A>> -adrie=0A>>= =0A>> --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrot= e:=0A>>=0A>> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com =0A>> Subject= : [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Date: Mond= ay, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> OK, I'm back from camping at Clea= r Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend. Care to share a report?=0A>>= =0A>> Thanks!=0A>>=0A>> Peter=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> ------------------------------= ---------------------------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfrave= s-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-h= elp@hyperreal.org=0A>>=0A>> -----------------------------------------------= ----------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyp= erreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org= =0A>>=0A> -----------------------------------------------------------------= ----=0A> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A> For = additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org=0A> =0A> =A0 = =A0 =A0 =0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151200-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 00:40:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94787 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 00:40:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94754 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 00:40:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247618433; bh=B16qCGLFR+WB2AFxEcyQBVmTRNIyP7sbxJSzuUjLtZk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gAZ8yPb0VV9U1yi1zGjJqpR/dY6/SaTBuBID+2q8zruigQLGtE7NPKhVYpP+uIrQLCpfO7i8MI/DnRKvPsSEbavQdJfOY5LqTgbi1W+QeaqbEQu6yOuA2jY9ONPyiEkceo5rm8YV+6MoxLR5GOTHjTK83YXHOk/5K8IFwtrVV4I= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pbnlGe5E7NRa+087NnKadvR1QTbYlbpSt4Y3kB3nfnLe5OQ1y4ETQv2ciUaepn5TIBuIjEjS0X63OaYXILcGLvkV1jf+L+8vLUfDHA+Przdm8ZofZX9ESosiiYN3+TViFzh3RyO8JEhweM8imtoKi7TS5hJLe4+TOZ9m7Chqu1M=; Message-ID: <395184.29077.qm@web112402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: q7u8MkkVM1lIbOyUXaUn.dDJrenvvLvh0NL.Ul1XJ.0XyckO0bPAtLsEDRdGasUzs1yYI6wBZNqdR7m2yBIWKMBfUfBThZrsUZC5xiEAhuuMeCnEyX1rZ3VadcNo1mWritHtyuDsZ5EMQUJeJX.86v4iH4DMiTlvhKBgR7UOO63LtZYb57_j4_bzi80gjVPprcV3UYqKhxz36fDvTUPzXYvj9c63SiErlBLgeOXK3xYOf2O2s9AB63pIQLGyVy228cmi.fH9VjgKxBYSCmf__Wh5KQPZ8bmp34MmZf4l0dH0VwvkShf45wLLls4z2vG5c2qQnv.O2M.TSzb2KFRnS_lnp9b2dg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: "layla6942@yahoo.com" Cc: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" , "terry@hyperreal.org" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: <194671.59574.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Hellz yeah! Lolz u were wearing that walkie talkie=0A=0ALayla Lewis wrote: = =0A> wait... i look like a cop? =0A> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Adriana wrote:=0A> From: Adriana =0A> Subject: Re: [s= fraves] weekend reports?=0A> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" , "Layla Lewis" =0A> Cc: sfraves@hype= rreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:31 PM=0A> mural..that i don't= know..i know he draws and paints and stuff he showed me some of his art mu= rallly type things..=0A> =0A> the guy you saw me with the whole entire tim= e.. rememeber i told you that you looked like a cop and you told him do i l= ook like a cop and he said..yes.. thats mike -> terry's friend=0A> --- On T= ue, 7/14/09, Layla Lewis wrote:=0A> From: Layla Lewis= =0A> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A> To: = dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" =0A> Cc: "Adrian= a" , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2= 009, 4:16 PM=0A> wait, which mike? did he do the mural on the midway?=0A> -= -- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote:=0A> From: Te= rry Estioko =0A> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend report= s?=0A> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A> Cc: "Adriana" , sfra= ves@hyperreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM=0A> Got some Yo= uTube vids up from Sand by the Ton. Super fun =0A> night :-)=0A> Opulent Te= mple Stage:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4AVZbWnmo6s=0A> Symbiosis/= False Profit stage:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7-yfHk47OCc=0A> Br= othel:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3wKJa52qqlI=0A> More at my chan= nel:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry=0A> -terry=0A> -------= -----------------------------------=0A> terry estioko | terry@hyperreal= .org=0A> SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org=0A> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009= , dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>=0A>> Saw some pix from Sand by the ton t= hat looked awesome...=0A>>=0A>> Peter=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> ----- Original Me= ssage ----=0A>> From: Adriana =0A>> To: sfraves@hyperrea= l.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM=0A= >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>>=0A>> Happy Monday!!!!=0A>>= =0A>> my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :)=0A>>= =0A>> went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party s= aturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot= !!! :p everyone looked awesome dressed up..=0A>>=0A>> then i went home and = changed over about midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the ti= me we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in.= ..yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an am= azing after hours party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rock= ed it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drink= ing at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i m= anaged to walk to bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee s= hop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho...=0A>>=0A>> i had a ma= d wikked time..=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> back to work now..cya=0A>>=0A>> -adrie=0A>>= =0A>> --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrot= e:=0A>>=0A>> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com =0A>> Subject= : [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Date: Mond= ay, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> OK, I'm back from camping at Clea= r Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend. Care to share a report?=0A>>= =0A>> Thanks!=0A>>=0A>> Peter=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> ------------------------------= ---------------------------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfrave= s-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-h= elp@hyperreal.org=0A>>=0A>> -----------------------------------------------= ----------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyp= erreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org= =0A>>=0A> -----------------------------------------------------------------= ----=0A> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A> For = additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org=0A> =0A> =A0 = =A0 =A0 =0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151201-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 00:40:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96196 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 00:40:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96170 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 00:40:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247618489; bh=B16qCGLFR+WB2AFxEcyQBVmTRNIyP7sbxJSzuUjLtZk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tmntrotJEY5lTcz6N7xAhb7oTNfZkmLxX8crtZm47Y1PkKwbD/KgQA/qy80crOPb08jePNycN5nPd+N9tl6U+hDMNMsFB6X22KRpyp76TMztwCoW5RnFlfDcgPdHo1FTHh4Sp4dm8OEVG7/TUJzRJ45lQB6e0IfMqAfx9f3m6aE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RdqNXc6jielF93TRQ74+y3rObxi73iSAIsT9K2e+AE4SBxF37zmeN86yT/F34xdemc+3sWMo9Xq5Wj/c1s56APcj0rDFpIV0IbXax0Nxhb3hpmNB6yEi8SWRPpGdlj2Ot/QHzBmEeF47Je8mfU6GrF9Cf1zBEAkUcl6oyl44w5I=; Message-ID: <963874.12414.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gaO6e1EVM1lcSrykMqUd8EZ8TOTUfziQ0LcqfJtkWPzWSBbOG14FPQSEnD.EaAg5_occbG6AKSrAA5P.an1nMSOT_BSwygMhMM_dR4u2UqSLDCDYgS1AxrrkAVcY1qRa1Hgkd6VmAr8BZUuG8J9shJlLtDZOFmDC7iZv8gnxC1T.G8r2Wz5zc9.T.MdM2c6qhQk6CKtOWRQsa1ecr5FnrdzL1lp3GJxJO.ayJgwndxPeyGzy0GhZdzEb6SxFU7XhHez8jM0p7V6_KSudugroV8OwmRu504KPuwhhlgHB574gAFA37TM4T8nc16nggx.ZPu_HpMlez4MtR.IH8bywM_mY.Us- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:41:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: "layla6942@yahoo.com" Cc: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" , "terry@hyperreal.org" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: <194671.59574.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Hellz yeah! Lolz u were wearing that walkie talkie=0A=0ALayla Lewis wrote: = =0A> wait... i look like a cop? =0A> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Adriana wrote:=0A> From: Adriana =0A> Subject: Re: [s= fraves] weekend reports?=0A> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" , "Layla Lewis" =0A> Cc: sfraves@hype= rreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:31 PM=0A> mural..that i don't= know..i know he draws and paints and stuff he showed me some of his art mu= rallly type things..=0A> =0A> the guy you saw me with the whole entire tim= e.. rememeber i told you that you looked like a cop and you told him do i l= ook like a cop and he said..yes.. thats mike -> terry's friend=0A> --- On T= ue, 7/14/09, Layla Lewis wrote:=0A> From: Layla Lewis= =0A> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A> To: = dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" =0A> Cc: "Adrian= a" , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2= 009, 4:16 PM=0A> wait, which mike? did he do the mural on the midway?=0A> -= -- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote:=0A> From: Te= rry Estioko =0A> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend report= s?=0A> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A> Cc: "Adriana" , sfra= ves@hyperreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM=0A> Got some Yo= uTube vids up from Sand by the Ton. Super fun =0A> night :-)=0A> Opulent Te= mple Stage:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4AVZbWnmo6s=0A> Symbiosis/= False Profit stage:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7-yfHk47OCc=0A> Br= othel:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3wKJa52qqlI=0A> More at my chan= nel:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry=0A> -terry=0A> -------= -----------------------------------=0A> terry estioko | terry@hyperreal= .org=0A> SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org=0A> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009= , dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>=0A>> Saw some pix from Sand by the ton t= hat looked awesome...=0A>>=0A>> Peter=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> ----- Original Me= ssage ----=0A>> From: Adriana =0A>> To: sfraves@hyperrea= l.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM=0A= >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>>=0A>> Happy Monday!!!!=0A>>= =0A>> my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :)=0A>>= =0A>> went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party s= aturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot= !!! :p everyone looked awesome dressed up..=0A>>=0A>> then i went home and = changed over about midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the ti= me we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in.= ..yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an am= azing after hours party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rock= ed it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drink= ing at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i m= anaged to walk to bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee s= hop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho...=0A>>=0A>> i had a ma= d wikked time..=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> back to work now..cya=0A>>=0A>> -adrie=0A>>= =0A>> --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrot= e:=0A>>=0A>> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com =0A>> Subject= : [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Date: Mond= ay, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> OK, I'm back from camping at Clea= r Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend. Care to share a report?=0A>>= =0A>> Thanks!=0A>>=0A>> Peter=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> ------------------------------= ---------------------------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfrave= s-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-h= elp@hyperreal.org=0A>>=0A>> -----------------------------------------------= ----------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyp= erreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org= =0A>>=0A> -----------------------------------------------------------------= ----=0A> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A> For = additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org=0A> =0A> =A0 = =A0 =A0 =0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151202-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 00:41:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97476 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 00:41:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97447 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 00:41:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247618536; bh=B16qCGLFR+WB2AFxEcyQBVmTRNIyP7sbxJSzuUjLtZk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v98GBvEQPyP/3imt50QSIU9+7aEVp1+7mc3ADy2m1dvZpFMykqyF+96kolOr7RvzC1BIiEegCS7kXcJhzZAi8usl6YPE72eHixMVT3x8KkSgSL9w1pw0QWzunLQk7KBdlbtVpLlVb+qgNmyx55jnxDaar6IKm940q9/QdUB+H5o= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bwbU4Nsoonwzliaxwj8htrCN67PlaSv9Cek9CfBOWq73L6L0M4M4ZCTq1ycuds7KueQVV1/3nPKvZV9+Uz/2ZqgCwbS7gUCKWjcUzwRnrjitim4VUr4VD77brKIRj38ZOvsNSsV/IVMyX6n1sM5GioakwpNAbralVp37CJtWDIg=; Message-ID: <695409.21522.qm@web112409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: bDbANQMVM1nL49RRrNXLYn0vD4A1pMHKpoBZM3BJDx2gejdK8Wsjj0pfVudSYUYTYYDYPYoQDOJlsMTGHAPSgPAM_llzvd5haPVpyp4KMNkpstqCyXjNne.I7T2BAgqAVPtocrFbKJf.FUY4jv7zDkVMyJ4bMQMmSG3CwqEyZRuMU6lR0xunrqhci62mD2cPe.ccsxbL90K3Iywv5UJF7LdnuW0H5WEW4YUClvwFAz2qANi2QAADi2CsMFSD7WAfohYWMNiVJfQ2qPp1OdN1jbPr7soCIZQ.3ayHD7kZaXYUK7z8BxDa8HmavsuXenJ.B8CldIV8uqKplrchvgZe7cvu3tw- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: "layla6942@yahoo.com" Cc: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" , "terry@hyperreal.org" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: <194671.59574.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Hellz yeah! Lolz u were wearing that walkie talkie=0A=0ALayla Lewis wrote: = =0A> wait... i look like a cop? =0A> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Adriana wrote:=0A> From: Adriana =0A> Subject: Re: [s= fraves] weekend reports?=0A> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" , "Layla Lewis" =0A> Cc: sfraves@hype= rreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:31 PM=0A> mural..that i don't= know..i know he draws and paints and stuff he showed me some of his art mu= rallly type things..=0A> =0A> the guy you saw me with the whole entire tim= e.. rememeber i told you that you looked like a cop and you told him do i l= ook like a cop and he said..yes.. thats mike -> terry's friend=0A> --- On T= ue, 7/14/09, Layla Lewis wrote:=0A> From: Layla Lewis= =0A> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A> To: = dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" =0A> Cc: "Adrian= a" , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2= 009, 4:16 PM=0A> wait, which mike? did he do the mural on the midway?=0A> -= -- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote:=0A> From: Te= rry Estioko =0A> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend report= s?=0A> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A> Cc: "Adriana" , sfra= ves@hyperreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM=0A> Got some Yo= uTube vids up from Sand by the Ton. Super fun =0A> night :-)=0A> Opulent Te= mple Stage:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4AVZbWnmo6s=0A> Symbiosis/= False Profit stage:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7-yfHk47OCc=0A> Br= othel:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3wKJa52qqlI=0A> More at my chan= nel:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry=0A> -terry=0A> -------= -----------------------------------=0A> terry estioko | terry@hyperreal= .org=0A> SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org=0A> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009= , dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>=0A>> Saw some pix from Sand by the ton t= hat looked awesome...=0A>>=0A>> Peter=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> ----- Original Me= ssage ----=0A>> From: Adriana =0A>> To: sfraves@hyperrea= l.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM=0A= >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>>=0A>> Happy Monday!!!!=0A>>= =0A>> my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :)=0A>>= =0A>> went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party s= aturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot= !!! :p everyone looked awesome dressed up..=0A>>=0A>> then i went home and = changed over about midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the ti= me we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in.= ..yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an am= azing after hours party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rock= ed it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drink= ing at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i m= anaged to walk to bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee s= hop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho...=0A>>=0A>> i had a ma= d wikked time..=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> back to work now..cya=0A>>=0A>> -adrie=0A>>= =0A>> --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrot= e:=0A>>=0A>> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com =0A>> Subject= : [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Date: Mond= ay, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> OK, I'm back from camping at Clea= r Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend. Care to share a report?=0A>>= =0A>> Thanks!=0A>>=0A>> Peter=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> ------------------------------= ---------------------------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfrave= s-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-h= elp@hyperreal.org=0A>>=0A>> -----------------------------------------------= ----------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyp= erreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org= =0A>>=0A> -----------------------------------------------------------------= ----=0A> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A> For = additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org=0A> =0A> =A0 = =A0 =A0 =0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151203-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 00:50:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7237 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 00:50:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7208 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 00:50:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247619071; bh=B16qCGLFR+WB2AFxEcyQBVmTRNIyP7sbxJSzuUjLtZk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WrV4MB0d4tCdx7CXhpbd7KVIkcw/nvDhHj726vNMBANmkxedWZAVDdcSdFmbTFzngdE0TKtHzY+7dSa89rTaRo85uBL7Lo5fTnXSTZ8qEcvg3WL6xwOjNebtoLtV31gKCc9OqBflDZVUkZP1B0LTro1EoTXfKwQJfdLiJHD6Ls8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=j7OEx16p8h1ajmhv+b7V+uGDC38osNQ+KPwYKqhBOouxS2oHDyfZ1ixv1jGnkdz4fuW6SrJ4uXZKrDxq2Ssh4Pa/jw/nrx1kn2fhoOdDiV+uIpW8Jf3MxJX+pCF4kOn4BBDFhW7zvlFBAonHCe4JOLuzR+/BmsuARalkT4fHUM4=; Message-ID: <352722.5756.qm@web112418.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6jFjCP4VM1lR2I8Y6M9EpeX.jNo0bx0kwTtXT1GWqmbx6zUvt8XOa2U0YO3SHKlW2tpg6wf3i1qMca1YdNa0f1gJDZ1zS602eqEv7T9JLNZpWQEBcxhWOwJqnZ102_.PI3i3MaQP4HJMODy7jWydYbcE8arQbg9BIV64v1rMvRNVOsci_Wat5tPsNZ5xnawRD5OkBd9l14RSml9X1.60R6t8yxBvf85efVIPWdjYgDfcpaVNb5OFE5D24AuZw_tqCxWq1k_vW9jLkOTnik6cFwTjhzKWkxLyN0pe8mh_XqDnl1CDxsBOKrX_EszayIeGs98s1vE2cDhK9LeeQ_lUjqYMhKgMxw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:51:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: "layla6942@yahoo.com" Cc: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" , "terry@hyperreal.org" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: <194671.59574.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? Hellz yeah! Lolz u were wearing that walkie talkie=0A=0ALayla Lewis wrote: = =0A> wait... i look like a cop? =0A> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Adriana wrote:=0A> From: Adriana =0A> Subject: Re: [s= fraves] weekend reports?=0A> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" , "Layla Lewis" =0A> Cc: sfraves@hype= rreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:31 PM=0A> mural..that i don't= know..i know he draws and paints and stuff he showed me some of his art mu= rallly type things..=0A> =0A> the guy you saw me with the whole entire tim= e.. rememeber i told you that you looked like a cop and you told him do i l= ook like a cop and he said..yes.. thats mike -> terry's friend=0A> --- On T= ue, 7/14/09, Layla Lewis wrote:=0A> From: Layla Lewis= =0A> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A> To: = dangrsmind@yahoo.com, "Terry Estioko" =0A> Cc: "Adrian= a" , sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2= 009, 4:16 PM=0A> wait, which mike? did he do the mural on the midway?=0A> -= -- On Tue, 7/14/09, Terry Estioko wrote:=0A> From: Te= rry Estioko =0A> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend report= s?=0A> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A> Cc: "Adriana" , sfra= ves@hyperreal.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:52 PM=0A> Got some Yo= uTube vids up from Sand by the Ton. Super fun =0A> night :-)=0A> Opulent Te= mple Stage:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4AVZbWnmo6s=0A> Symbiosis/= False Profit stage:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7-yfHk47OCc=0A> Br= othel:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3wKJa52qqlI=0A> More at my chan= nel:=0A> http://www.youtube.com/user/viberationterry=0A> -terry=0A> -------= -----------------------------------=0A> terry estioko | terry@hyperreal= .org=0A> SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org=0A> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009= , dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>=0A>> Saw some pix from Sand by the ton t= hat looked awesome...=0A>>=0A>> Peter=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> ----- Original Me= ssage ----=0A>> From: Adriana =0A>> To: sfraves@hyperrea= l.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com=0A>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:48:13 AM=0A= >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>>=0A>> Happy Monday!!!!=0A>>= =0A>> my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :)=0A>>= =0A>> went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party s= aturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot= !!! :p everyone looked awesome dressed up..=0A>>=0A>> then i went home and = changed over about midnight to head over to sand by the ton..thou by the ti= me we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got lucky enough to get in.= ..yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically over...boo! but an am= azing after hours party for staff happen after everyone left.. whiched rock= ed it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i think i stopped drink= ing at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou helluv intoxicated i m= anaged to walk to bart with my new friend mike and hung out at the coffee s= hop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho...=0A>>=0A>> i had a ma= d wikked time..=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> back to work now..cya=0A>>=0A>> -adrie=0A>>= =0A>> --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrot= e:=0A>>=0A>> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com =0A>> Subject= : [sfraves] weekend reports?=0A>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Date: Mond= ay, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> OK, I'm back from camping at Clea= r Lake and I hear I missed an epic weekend. Care to share a report?=0A>>= =0A>> Thanks!=0A>>=0A>> Peter=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> ------------------------------= ---------------------------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfrave= s-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-h= elp@hyperreal.org=0A>>=0A>> -----------------------------------------------= ----------------------=0A>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyp= erreal.org=0A>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org= =0A>>=0A> -----------------------------------------------------------------= ----=0A> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org=0A> For = additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org=0A> =0A> =A0 = =A0 =A0 =0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151204-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 05:05:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84686 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 05:05:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84664 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 05:05:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xCaLIZEZwaN9E4pFN5cTntuHPD9x0ZVap/bu3bEQWdY=; b=DVc9KaLWhHzWVQq7I/zb5DmWnVmqlVxfo0Xq1ga/iK8JmH+3FKVzQHlfcZHyIQqldL KYluzQUgAppmBxNJ5N/mq2SPc7As1CbsqPLoqkw48MgmtTqg+NpwLd7dmIFGvcvVDq1T azufiNEvOLbQmrbmMjcfRZBXzaSi3MMF6Y9+4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=bVKWU9QWgF1MDqiGXzTbS2iw/MSUYpar/IblFogerEHGZ3KMj0PaQfIdkSdGrayyob AhJyY5j25PxvX4lFt+t313VWdk2g0thQ5b27k3/jFRvAYAFc3sdoDIsQiohEXnZAI+Wq qdxMX/bWrvQJXQCMC1zNC6YRkDteA9eoJPLWk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <375977.28062.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <287352.38114.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <375977.28062.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:05:36 -0700 Message-ID: From: juju To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: Sean G , "Funkyfresh900@aol.com" , "eesiad1@yahoo.com" , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64ec06477f8e0046eb781b9 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? --0016e64ec06477f8e0046eb781b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I volunteered at Sand By The Ton, and I had a lot of fun. Unfortunately my door shift was during the 11pm fracas. I think the warehouse could definitely hold more people, but the carnival midway was poorly placed. There were too many people trying to squeeze through one major thoroughfare to get to bathrooms, outside, etc. If only there had been a wider passage, or another way to get through to the other areas, I think the door/firemarshall drama would have been avoided. c'est la vie. The party still went off and was amazing. Thank you Layla for the opportunity, and to everyone who volunteered. I made it to the private afterparty, as well but left around 3:30am as I had to work in the morning. Sunday I braved the douches at Kelly's Mission Rock to celebrate the OM Records 15-year anniversary. Loved everyone's sets, rocked out to Pezzner, Heather, Colette, Fiasco... all the faves. Overall a stellar weekend. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:58 AM, wrote: > > Seems like a bit of drama surrounding these two parties... > > DRAMA. Just say no. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Danielle Dozoretz > To: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" > Cc: Sean G ; "Funkyfresh900@aol.com" < > Funkyfresh900@aol.com>; "eesiad1@yahoo.com" ; " > sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:45:46 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? > > The Vault is a recently refurbished bank vault in Oakland. Some good > friends of mine worked on the setup and provided gear for the party. Oh and > then got hassled and punched by some douchebag err I mean dj when they were > retrieving records behind the booth. > > (I wasn't there this is firsthand account from my girlfriend with a black > eye. I'm really outraged that this type if behavior happened. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 14, 2009, at 6:56 AM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > The Vault would be a great space for a party actually. Plus I could pick > up some Nice Collective shirts while I was there. > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Sean G > > To: Funkyfresh900@aol.com > > Cc: eesiad1@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org; dangrsmind@yahoo.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:28:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? > > > > The vault as in the clothing store on haight? wtf? > > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM, wrote: > >> Went to GG park my friend was spinning. Then went to Neverlarnd! super > fun, > >> sad they change venues though, Still awesome. after went to The vault. > >> some vault after party. Pretty sick. like it was awesome left at six > am. went > >> home blahh > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:48:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > >> eesiad1@yahoo.com writes: > >> > >> Happy Monday!!!! > >> > >> my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) > >> > >> went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party > >> saturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin > hot!!! > >> :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. > >> > >> then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand > by > >> the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i > got > >> lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was > practically > >> over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after > >> everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, > house.....i > >> think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till > 9ish..thou > >> helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike > and > >> hung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. > anywho... > >> > >> i had a mad wikked time.. > >> > >> > >> back to work now..cya > >> > >> -adrie > >> > >> --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com > wrote: > >> > >> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > >> Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? > >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >> Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM > >> > >> > >> OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic > >> weekend. Care to share a report? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists > on > >> tour at TourTracker.com. > >> (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) > >> > > > > > > > > --kekekekeke > > =[^.^]= zomg!!111 > > kekekekeke > > > > This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > > If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the > > addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based > > on this message or any information herein. If you have received this > > message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply > > e-email and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --0016e64ec06477f8e0046eb781b9-- From sfraves-return-151205-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 15 08:29:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1814 invoked by uid 1103); 15 Jul 2009 08:29:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1798 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 08:29:09 -0000 From: Funkyfresh900@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:29:34 EDT To: rationalhatter@gmail.com CC: eesiad1@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, dangrsmind@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1247646574" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] weekend reports? -------------------------------1247646574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VAult as in a bank vault sooo sick lol In a message dated 7/14/2009 6:28:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rationalhatter@gmail.com writes: The vault as in the clothing store on haight? wtf? On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM, wrote: > Went to GG park my friend was spinning. Then went to Neverlarnd! super fun, > sad they change venues though, Still awesome. after went to The vault. > some vault after party. Pretty sick. like it was awesome left at six am. went > home blahh > > > In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:48:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > eesiad1@yahoo.com writes: > > Happy Monday!!!! > > my weekend was a lil confusing but it worked out in the end :) > > went to one of my best friend's theme 50's Frank Sinatra bday party > saturday night which was an amazing night.. i think my dress was friggin hot!!! > :p everyone looked awesome dressed up.. > > then i went home and changed over about midnight to head over to sand by > the ton..thou by the time we got there they werent letting ppl in... i got > lucky enough to get in...yay! me! :) by the time i got in it was practically > over...boo! but an amazing after hours party for staff happen after > everyone left.. whiched rocked it with deep underground style breaks, house.....i > think i stopped drinking at 830 didnt leave the warehouse till 9ish..thou > helluv intoxicated i managed to walk to bart with my new friend mike and > hung out at the coffee shop got to know him a lil better and stuff.. anywho... > > i had a mad wikked time.. > > > back to work now..cya > > -adrie > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: [sfraves] weekend reports? > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:59 AM > > > OK, I'm back from camping at Clear Lake and I hear I missed an epic > weekend. Care to share a report? > > Thanks! > > Peter > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on > tour at TourTracker.com. > (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) > -- kekekekeke =[^.^]= zomg!!111 kekekekeke This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-email and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. 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Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 --_a987e0b8-fdc4-4c16-99b1-c2147c28f606_-- From sfraves-return-151207-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 16 16:29:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18883 invoked by uid 1103); 16 Jul 2009 16:29:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18766 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 16:29:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=lFrWLR7Ijtq6XGKgz4VtOXGK8H+Nc3h4ViH0rBDK+kk=; b=mcN8MsWkiqyGwfHzBvmDjWV9jEs8iOnC+mbzla8qEoQaytagUjRjM3CQxDynnBItKn +gd+VBzgDjlJnjcaMZZDvow4go12BQngaobkYCLHxwOrBpIuyqcl3trJfOHe9zLrG1pp yr1Ov8/JNwGjxIadV/UIXGJEf2FmB3sbQz+Sk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=K2pkRsWZ3L8Tuy5FJ23qBXOsf1ztl0EuMBHMJht0JVBKb+/3cWNdd+ruHAgVMAf34O zclAeq13Mz8Oe7X+rv3GwYzl34NfQHBO+z+XrHGi7HmtAPFHX4iveATofpOmQgE0KyBu 7hS87LK/GQQ+urQETwAGRKBDvH+YuW4z9rLfc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:29:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1940932a0907160929v6b987b73n703a17cf3dc2853d@mail.gmail.com> From: D To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3388fa0a5a046ed52dd1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Dance Records? --0015174c3388fa0a5a046ed52dd1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whats up everyone, I just tryed going on the dancerecords.com only to find out they done did. Do people even buy vynl off the net anymore? Whats a person so post to do? If any of you would buy a record how much would you pay? If you bought them in bulk how much would you pay for each record? Whats a justfiable price for a piece of plastic? I've been finding some places that will sell some nice beats, but they want the whole lot gone. --0015174c3388fa0a5a046ed52dd1-- From sfraves-return-151208-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 16 16:55:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60589 invoked by uid 1103); 16 Jul 2009 16:55:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60569 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 16:55:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cL6IsGMjphIevBofOHXS4VvFe7Hws+ZdKjiABFnOUBY=; b=sNBRsLCmbYegmNIjLAU7NaRZkvuH0RaW1m0ZFVmBuG/ZQ4cxzjHXtTNicWaHk4g4UM ZClRvF0egCWy+s/uYh0ZCHm7TneNDawusZ3cSH0o0sSzwtVaA9TIsInR7Az7dnK4CmxC r97uu6Gq8cW2kkYBIV8UAkdOwqAQVte3X+CMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=kK2o2hwUPu7+E/E3LvWlkJlsa8LnPmZDDCV1Izud8Jg5NHLEpTqP3TcYJcup0CQQ1A +UOETz5Yodyc92IiBD6fXdhfxmRfiATdj6I8Sn1+9gShKgJ2YHvyfhNmq+FM1ODnjN+/ F8X8Cc0KCD7rmK1gaD7mnd6I2+OA8u76k8sBc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1940932a0907160929v6b987b73n703a17cf3dc2853d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1940932a0907160929v6b987b73n703a17cf3dc2853d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:56:26 -0700 Message-ID: <19b8baf40907160956r6639864dgc9a82d6d71324c6b@mail.gmail.com> From: Media Bass To: D , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d5f7170c61f046ed58d3d X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? --0022152d5f7170c61f046ed58d3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My best luck has been @: http://www.discogs.com/ Lots of vendors with vinyl in various condition(s), and it's kind of like Amazon because you have different people bidding records. Keeps the price somewhat competitive even on the hard to find stuff. As far as what I'd pay for a record goes, well, that depends on the record ;-) On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, D wrote: > Whats up everyone, I just tryed going on the dancerecords.com only to find > out they done did. Do people even buy vynl off the net anymore? Whats a > person so post to do? If any of you would buy a record how much would you > pay? If you bought them in bulk how much would you pay for each record? > Whats a justfiable price for a piece of plastic? I've been finding some > places that will sell some nice beats, but they want the whole lot gone. > --0022152d5f7170c61f046ed58d3d-- From sfraves-return-151209-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 16 17:56:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62409 invoked by uid 1103); 16 Jul 2009 17:56:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62385 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 17:56:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qR6F048Jwpn73jm+jO6ck2H0yWFOCOhG7MpHzd40JlE=; b=SfJMiG+vXV9UUGmBDY8xFZILqGsAayIOMVdgTXeZUugg2O9tqBr+9/wlk17iu0279n 7gq2YNJEdWD1/MVlrwKi40n0bmzzuJX9XSoxAoriCh8kJGD4s7TjZmE9+70spb3GTaWv /NJwOujX01kw3vA57tTwbyqJdsa/PKnR0cDB0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DO2AkCOftVIvUcYT7cmaiKITwEHoTZ/zXCKRd0zWzVQc9aLhlPJCjrSLUYRaUssJFh fQ/T7tGYO7GQ3x3olLs8UMtmGFebphBzIFWfYAjczk3kAqMV/ogydiOLlwPUqMqJ8mYx 2NmvmqgG6bRwMpNe2MwtSx82Ckb7E+FLESRnA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19b8baf40907160956r6639864dgc9a82d6d71324c6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1940932a0907160929v6b987b73n703a17cf3dc2853d@mail.gmail.com> <19b8baf40907160956r6639864dgc9a82d6d71324c6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:57:19 +0300 Message-ID: <3eb4f3aa0907161057l39191b46te593604d25a1e0b3@mail.gmail.com> From: "d . k" To: Media Bass Cc: D , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? seconded, discogs is a good site. http://www.gemm.com/ has a similar setup. -jason On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Media Bass wrote: > My best luck has been @: > > http://www.discogs.com/ > > Lots of vendors with vinyl in various condition(s), and it's kind of like > Amazon because you have different people bidding records. Keeps the price > somewhat competitive even on the hard to find stuff. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151210-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 16 18:18:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95716 invoked by uid 1103); 16 Jul 2009 18:18:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95653 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 18:18:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247768314; bh=OIkrZNWd5yrHP5NzUNKGbZJUL3hm1Uq5JJMHG+HLaEY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EQvZsHZ5pIRG/mGbNYBCK0PaKifEMPfvTwpuuqkoq4nGLLjvmd9hwQ4r353Ehsw47AZADPMaSbZLCz9kqqSfP534fRprUhujVQ/fjDaJ+CFTbhct4OR37y3O+G9qMWcKlWwyX/q81LDjMMo2fi7lcWhkK0YCPbexboZK3AnXP7Q= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0HLRa8QHC2xyYLWuqdZN9w8pdm2M4ycOTroXRN4IpnI02x+pX1n8DpiyXQXDK82Pxbsx690KqWGwFn4BVRcQwXRYV8r+JreNNQAA+EDWvH/0UgIfFBFn6ek9RhxvOGyTC/3MIpeyB8TcnBd/kkpg155h5/qzkjAm2qSStmwTP6w=; Message-ID: <156772.11557.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DR3UrNMVM1nCOcG_rFZORE6xwEfDn36ErR7Vf2rwmuaHn3MuNfvnq9pMMWBlmJ7N7FWJkxsL8XAdpe68p_tHOJnFBwTToUUdA0Pl2O_LhcF31YGCT8RR7znAChckxjUzjFjXsZA6IsM.DZNG_v8DTouyY_bzkUG_s4u0fv95hr1WbqY59Y_J9370RLFiYd9O1ePygtgbr8O16VaV.aBnjRmAO0YTLxqKiDgB913SAeuJICf3i9MI051tx5v6iEF_hVOoVlHoBaGmxysokdpPd62LT6zwt49A.zoFUYPPY9bSzOQErv8NmgqUf78wa42cV71Xbku95XOHJ5eN5gtcyqHjXImIqkdmzWlF.po- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Uncle Noah To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, D In-Reply-To: <1940932a0907160929v6b987b73n703a17cf3dc2853d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? surf yourself over to http://www.shop.djculture.com/ - that's Simply Jeff and DJ Mizota's shop in OC. They've got decent prices and good audio samples online. _________________________________________________________________________ "Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's the gospel. " -Michael Jackson --- On Thu, 7/16/09, D wrote: > From: D > Subject: [sfraves] Dance Records? > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:29 AM > Whats up everyone, I just tryed going > on the dancerecords.com only to find > out they done did. Do people even buy vynl off the net > anymore? Whats a > person so post to do? If any of you would buy a record how > much would you > pay? If you bought them in bulk how much would you pay for > each record? > Whats a justfiable price for a piece of plastic? I've been > finding some > places that will sell some nice beats, but they want the > whole lot gone. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151211-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 16 21:49:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28686 invoked by uid 1103); 16 Jul 2009 21:49:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28665 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 21:49:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247780989; bh=2vtE9fBmsdiL41URMd+z1/FhAXUKVkBch1tIIhpYUD0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Jq0/znr0istza+bmSqCrEQ3FV1uZNTqx6U3WWwsZ9qRYnPENEFIhjXgt5j4DgRYXUdQznfpVCL6MKdPcypLQLomdTU1Zo5QtpPuqZbicSz63XHQiOg/lprLhIA4i57bea4MarfrJcdak+sAKxRwkkZblg0mLHoUJyOgzk02aBc4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kgx5g4qHLRWnL0pXARyNLn9P87IS8kiPK6v+1VPW8Lc2eBkTeX7kCSs8yIyj7Onj+2CsVE19H7MrVCr6LRVdsbegQv8NBXvCrmvVfaeamnk0pW/wUtANmpbWjIzKaoq/BzY8HZ/3So2K0/oHIMo0VukHsdpqfwl23BeVXJcSovA=; Message-ID: <312333.26054.qm@web112402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1vIZF9sVM1lvmpbJfguPfTImcTHSw9HGRljhTHE2XzYNP68QSRNrLK1t_TVxxqu08OrQI7YqHuDQhzBinhcnuYGsi.I4mKEO.l8SoUX2tZzmUOafu3a3pLc61rGWCDio216P3.D1O0Ofwr3hYdPxd8Ea4p6ZQp8pyFCXtSsTyImbpx_JLERp_GzP1BmrbbgQHbL.ZGuOmgsqm8FGAzgfJ4hgc2lruvPDVvtWEp479_ELXbFdfDz7bnb2pd4frL6cNDmoVkeQsnlrnysw8_.hxNVjdXMuVnkCoJ6y1q8dxv6_Z2h9xYdg9Azh5erM2TTL9fD2ByL9vt4EQz_Om1YicfTYWcnsmOZOXtgagJjTy9sZPvwW6fN.dtw- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:49:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, Uncle Noah In-Reply-To: <156772.11557.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1424321441-1247780989=:26054" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? --0-1424321441-1247780989=:26054 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey uncle noah.. how''s you... havent spoken to you since i left socal// what's new wif scr :) hope your having beautiful weather down south.. i should be back to visit in aug & oct & nov & dec i'll let you know when -adriana "Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching" "I am married to music ~ Addicted to bass ~ I belong to the rhythm ~ The da= nce floor's my place.." --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Uncle Noah wrote: From: Uncle Noah Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, "D" Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 11:18 AM surf yourself over to http://www.shop.djculture.com/ - that's Simply Jeff a= nd DJ Mizota's shop in OC.=A0 They've got decent prices and good audio samp= les online.=A0=20 _________________________________________________________________________ "Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's the gospel. " -Michael Jackso= n --- On Thu, 7/16/09, D wrote: > From: D > Subject: [sfraves] Dance Records? > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:29 AM > Whats up everyone, I just tryed going > on the dancerecords.com only to find > out they done did. Do people even buy vynl off the net > anymore? Whats a > person so post to do? If any of you would buy a record how > much would you > pay? If you bought them in bulk how much would you pay for > each record? > Whats a justfiable price for a piece of plastic? I've been > finding some > places that will sell some nice beats, but they want the > whole lot gone. >=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org =0A=0A=0A --0-1424321441-1247780989=:26054-- From sfraves-return-151212-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 18 05:32:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63844 invoked by uid 1103); 18 Jul 2009 05:32:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63813 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 05:32:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.188.228.55] X-Originating-Email: [aaronjet9@hotmail.co.uk] Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Aaron Stevens Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:33:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2009 05:33:09.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BE8E640:01CA0769] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Looking for Party Hey does anyone know of anything going on between the 4th and the 15th. I have a friend coming over from across the pond! Cheers :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151213-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 18 06:45:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32908 invoked by uid 1103); 18 Jul 2009 06:45:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32875 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 06:45:13 -0000 Message-ID: <4A616F9C.3030304@defsf.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:45:48 -0700 From: sean ocean Organization: DEF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: D CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <1940932a0907160929v6b987b73n703a17cf3dc2853d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1940932a0907160929v6b987b73n703a17cf3dc2853d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? http://boomkat.com/ is good site that still sells the wax. D wrote: > Whats up everyone, I just tryed going on the dancerecords.com only to find > out they done did. Do people even buy vynl off the net anymore? Whats a > person so post to do? If any of you would buy a record how much would you > pay? If you bought them in bulk how much would you pay for each record? > Whats a justfiable price for a piece of plastic? I've been finding some > places that will sell some nice beats, but they want the whole lot gone. > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subscribe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151214-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 18 09:25:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41447 invoked by uid 1103); 18 Jul 2009 09:25:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41416 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 09:25:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=X13tv/uFcB3LdQ0TpQAKD2Dz6kuh5Ma22DlrYgRhiMA=; b=TuZVoMZgLfSA5GlfFiw6gdOaqYm6oACrEVqzp92gi2D4XFZ95f3oytT6Tb+VC7gCEN QgcIGKQYN0HvVWjRf8Us4czuYTd1dTOQFmrI0j7Bto9z0d2eMZ096D6ax+lK2wTRhsZ8 oVL5UHjPtiemqf2WN2oV9kWMV5RdAqgF16ldo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=O0zYQ0AwHvdWuEtIKC972MIiG9SaxB1VcEI5hmY0wEBdILCyKLodGs9xqcRP+ZP5OD goRYIeyJuUb6qwyKCtbjdnpKlXAbkrRJHF23nhelwCYsbKJED0LYXWpx5ggjrOHrfQlv qVVqe4nC47IF0ceDtL4ZrMYsY7qIdaeNMztVQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: digitalcomponents@gmail.com Reply-To: DigitalKomponents@googlemail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:25:47 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6f4f3da1a26a6807 Message-ID: <7237bf9f0907180225n4fc1cf0fm821e880d51a2a9eb@mail.gmail.com> From: Nyc Labrets To: Aaron Stevens Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636a7d9c871fcbd046ef77da7 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Looking for Party --001636a7d9c871fcbd046ef77da7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, given that UK cops now shut down non-existent All Night Parties in England with Swat Teams and Apache helicopters, I can see why they might be looking to America for a more chill party vibe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/17/police_raid_birthday_barbecue_facebook_invitation/ Jesus, the po-po have a dedicated FB Division? Things are worse than I thought. On a personal note, I just signed on as a cameraman for a documentary project on the oldest and biggest outdoor party in the world, Munich's Oktoberfest. My Director is real keen on getting overhead day/night helo shots of the Fest and we caught this on the first day of PP when we did our first Walk Through: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYjUyQe0boM Now at least we know what the hourly rate for a helicopter is. On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Aaron Stevens wrote: > Hey does anyone know of anything going on between the 4th and the 15th. I > have a friend coming over from across the pond! > Cheers :) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > -- "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would rather burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." PirateBay FTW --001636a7d9c871fcbd046ef77da7-- From sfraves-return-151215-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 18 20:30:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85350 invoked by uid 1103); 18 Jul 2009 20:30:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85329 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 20:30:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=g3seWZyGCYBK7Ri1zUf0pYWWfV9DjbMv6oM1+IzASKY=; b=ba9HmbaS2axcV77Ndv1dC1PwDltgXjHEsobB1WuwTEDIqd9c5canEWCH3AdkEx+hyC f0mE/9ePWPaU0nud3xWuG+1eqwYkGixcCyX9zY2Y9THlH/iHLNpMyQwsY8EBZBlqK/m0 27upXq1R+zeuftYanKesCuh9rrQdnkX+Uuz0k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=xyFmweHzQWfStO4gm6BUWIsLlDV8D6X+91p5nfcqo3b7lDVk2IOiuDUG7IoFoEJrSX XIFzc+86X04MMNkxIovzVPb4uUsnBtRLyHRvYF6Moje5Ju6H2j4maW2Sbso+I+MiA0dF fTaGZ/ethpVXZ8HSOGXmsb5b9Q5Tfqf8u4cqg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1940932a0907160929v6b987b73n703a17cf3dc2853d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1940932a0907160929v6b987b73n703a17cf3dc2853d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:31:06 -0700 Message-ID: <929e7b240907181331x6a422eb0p2c826ff2c22f2efe@mail.gmail.com> From: Danny To: D Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163631059dd07a18046f00c80d X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? --00163631059dd07a18046f00c80d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey whats going on in the city tonight? so far theres the sf county fair... and summersion at anansalon but anything more exciting? On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, D wrote: > Whats up everyone, I just tryed going on the dancerecords.com only to find > out they done did. Do people even buy vynl off the net anymore? Whats a > person so post to do? If any of you would buy a record how much would you > pay? If you bought them in bulk how much would you pay for each record? > Whats a justfiable price for a piece of plastic? I've been finding some > places that will sell some nice beats, but they want the whole lot gone. > -- um i like music --00163631059dd07a18046f00c80d-- From sfraves-return-151216-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 18 20:44:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10371 invoked by uid 1103); 18 Jul 2009 20:44:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10334 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 20:44:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247949926; bh=B9/JrP1sA+e7zRwuXeoICqxUJyEikVPEbW5ekgTB/2U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gvFZ2ysswOr7genOlO0KCU98r6PRrm+ym8EVfvABpctOsMUwltiVJfRIRQWi2iy8wUERoJY71eUa59/RWveOYGp6ZCxmpKA6i1L4BdvxnemNgHw4SWJLaT2s8vd1tnA7HoRJQJZTqAMbuB9/9YN7B/GoCbdYjif0CS2jRwjrOMA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fnPUc1Zgb0vtzgsKy2BK8KFueUyxmPVNUt0QDDjTrhFXSoxcf3Oy38xZw5JmbXW6aAL5omweTGi0h28oQqJdEoI+7hjA6S+rLpA/SJuEbK7vWTrJ74mNPOvbch9oTjUR1C+UgDOyIIXhKLLEkKPpalfA8hlBmwzzputzg0ErfFQ=; Message-ID: <595053.70138.qm@web112409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8XEhslUVM1kJ5z_em6SnU_z5bThe0.bFdyfpqZyr1tEjtwIuB8nSAN1GQc6dKtMjiO5XESBT.81vC_iR_v0VjJfZAGbn198FMn7M7BCeptw7OfVA1TYw3Nce14ahhSUZsQbkKrWoX0K8dMsYcBqgTOWcXkKeZKgU0d0d_3acGrNErzHuRiCYOcd40LjWX632eU4DgPTX5eBSgDix.wRyaJdBIIKpNQ76r122H0n9ufBOdYb7Esc.mzufEnSvmGeIPfmbmOZE._.Fw9ab5ZlZgf5OzfAQkSJYxPNdC.r9dRMt54gf4Hlh3RkF31JiKbg3TBIzNlVTcZdjINGPA39STyXOlFGXKBP8n7D6FdzB5syjFDK5oZhTMw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, Danny Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <929e7b240907181331x6a422eb0p2c826ff2c22f2efe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1117190015-1247949926=:70138" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? --0-1117190015-1247949926=:70138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii there is this party... deep down in osby's pants lolz srsly "Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching" "I am married to music ~ Addicted to bass ~ I belong to the rhythm ~ The dance floor's my place.." --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Danny wrote: From: Danny Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? To: "D" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 1:31 PM Hey whats going on in the city tonight? so far theres the sf county fair... and summersion at anansalon but anything more exciting? On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, D wrote: > Whats up everyone, I just tryed going on the dancerecords.com only to find > out they done did. Do people even buy vynl off the net anymore? Whats a > person so post to do? If any of you would buy a record how much would you > pay? If you bought them in bulk how much would you pay for each record? > Whats a justfiable price for a piece of plastic? I've been finding some > places that will sell some nice beats, but they want the whole lot gone. > -- um i like music --0-1117190015-1247949926=:70138-- From sfraves-return-151217-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 18 20:44:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10373 invoked by uid 1103); 18 Jul 2009 20:44:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10335 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 20:44:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247949926; bh=B9/JrP1sA+e7zRwuXeoICqxUJyEikVPEbW5ekgTB/2U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gvFZ2ysswOr7genOlO0KCU98r6PRrm+ym8EVfvABpctOsMUwltiVJfRIRQWi2iy8wUERoJY71eUa59/RWveOYGp6ZCxmpKA6i1L4BdvxnemNgHw4SWJLaT2s8vd1tnA7HoRJQJZTqAMbuB9/9YN7B/GoCbdYjif0CS2jRwjrOMA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fnPUc1Zgb0vtzgsKy2BK8KFueUyxmPVNUt0QDDjTrhFXSoxcf3Oy38xZw5JmbXW6aAL5omweTGi0h28oQqJdEoI+7hjA6S+rLpA/SJuEbK7vWTrJ74mNPOvbch9oTjUR1C+UgDOyIIXhKLLEkKPpalfA8hlBmwzzputzg0ErfFQ=; Message-ID: <595053.70138.qm@web112409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8XEhslUVM1kJ5z_em6SnU_z5bThe0.bFdyfpqZyr1tEjtwIuB8nSAN1GQc6dKtMjiO5XESBT.81vC_iR_v0VjJfZAGbn198FMn7M7BCeptw7OfVA1TYw3Nce14ahhSUZsQbkKrWoX0K8dMsYcBqgTOWcXkKeZKgU0d0d_3acGrNErzHuRiCYOcd40LjWX632eU4DgPTX5eBSgDix.wRyaJdBIIKpNQ76r122H0n9ufBOdYb7Esc.mzufEnSvmGeIPfmbmOZE._.Fw9ab5ZlZgf5OzfAQkSJYxPNdC.r9dRMt54gf4Hlh3RkF31JiKbg3TBIzNlVTcZdjINGPA39STyXOlFGXKBP8n7D6FdzB5syjFDK5oZhTMw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, Danny Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <929e7b240907181331x6a422eb0p2c826ff2c22f2efe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1117190015-1247949926=:70138" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? --0-1117190015-1247949926=:70138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii there is this party... deep down in osby's pants lolz srsly "Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching" "I am married to music ~ Addicted to bass ~ I belong to the rhythm ~ The dance floor's my place.." --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Danny wrote: From: Danny Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? To: "D" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 1:31 PM Hey whats going on in the city tonight? so far theres the sf county fair... and summersion at anansalon but anything more exciting? On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, D wrote: > Whats up everyone, I just tryed going on the dancerecords.com only to find > out they done did. Do people even buy vynl off the net anymore? Whats a > person so post to do? If any of you would buy a record how much would you > pay? If you bought them in bulk how much would you pay for each record? > Whats a justfiable price for a piece of plastic? I've been finding some > places that will sell some nice beats, but they want the whole lot gone. > -- um i like music --0-1117190015-1247949926=:70138-- From sfraves-return-151218-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 19 02:55:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11780 invoked by uid 1103); 19 Jul 2009 02:55:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11761 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2009 02:55:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247972143; bh=zWAOVEW6G5e/4I2kE0rjY4bALAv2S45vEPWZgTv5gjs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MpJaNIc2umvjYQ/04b43Swb77Coexb3F7rDmsu0r9MduPSkLTXpwJeiH7rZTyYpIaDPiJ/ir8qt0Rh2iTu8sencNgnSQac+yXdaWYdG2H1fMQqc159jkYMnsr3BvZSjxuBPRU5XXqT9a8CSu8MjZQQXscH7L/vEC1sBM5feoElc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vKp0jg+Bv7LQRp2eXeaDUTZUFOue9PWwwBxs3Ol8n10TkPkA2/k4LoNLrPM7nZn/lEj66k4iLOZK5uS7ft5yYK4qqOC1nmCbHJ7f/eOjohhhRjH6Ap6tGJslvY1BFMcHu3aO6CuH0APxa3N4U9jl9JFJoygJJQoUqzcJi88m6Xo=; Message-ID: <123732.92899.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nRuQkvYVM1lJ3XxWuDwO_N89ciEhb9QPRpX4mZ9azLfgdz.G6pWG4mknNT3VFlk5MXGYo2PRXYYmVy24qxJ0UbxE5BdOH9Ctc_KsG0pO_jplmUaNHjIQtCOt83UvxkJGH_WmBtGQ2pTEZvMluqjF9Lg7h_fhCva9pSwOopBlzXRYxb57vEFlHs1Ff3ygD1a2YbmynoN3OdEdzVptaacEYGRoAXMLKd4ZwGSCz5aEB.tMwsu1c2w_hKcRDj86VbiUY1FD26nlbbePAkpEwusbhSjJ..fe700boS_FiW0IhSbqdaXlw9FdsbC02Fg0kn4B_KohNsH3IhvPjQefdJ_pxpwOlsMnMZ8e7FpsE406u1k- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <1940932a0907160929v6b987b73n703a17cf3dc2853d@mail.gmail.com> <929e7b240907181331x6a422eb0p2c826ff2c22f2efe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Danny , D Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <929e7b240907181331x6a422eb0p2c826ff2c22f2efe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? Excitement is in the eye of the beholder I think. But there's the Opulent Temple fundraiser with Lee Coombs at End Up... Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Danny To: D Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:31:06 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Dance Records? Hey whats going on in the city tonight? so far theres the sf county fair... and summersion at anansalon but anything more exciting? On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, D wrote: > Whats up everyone, I just tryed going on the dancerecords.com only to find > out they done did. Do people even buy vynl off the net anymore? Whats a > person so post to do? If any of you would buy a record how much would you > pay? If you bought them in bulk how much would you pay for each record? > Whats a justfiable price for a piece of plastic? I've been finding some > places that will sell some nice beats, but they want the whole lot gone. > -- um i like music --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151219-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 19 23:31:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84797 invoked by uid 1103); 19 Jul 2009 23:31:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84769 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2009 23:31:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248046298; bh=6SDDfZW5q5i8oASYELK4XYKoqWA6u1dqRBHZK6mdpE4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WV+bq03YH8tZAjnv/NfAtSbRJQArDsdaxsxXNtCg7gaz0pGkUyWeVa5S2Pi4Fs3m16lYAssh9AN5ajnTPCZW8aw58w63sUrq57alSk4cg5LapVM55rqw6BKa7bx4cqMxy1fRf8ONWT3mcJ+ZgaYU8zjsgSxZK+2AaNYEq7tS1uo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HukV9Wf/xJrpQXTUpUHRNtvmli+yu/2OeHECMBhMWyAdyUEN94KfEKxmobAKPl48E6W5B1fLsPDlYocmXldRusuh2xvKR5ikeRBMWKuZosjxno/TBZhaXuYCqBxRQEFIVlTBsg/+BTXC2l5QGJbX0bPt8Xk72cabtehLZpwVJzw=; Message-ID: <465153.9248.qm@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Pzfb6kcVM1lYWylMXBXRkCXoOlj81DucT3uU9JDLW3jjwb0RYr23a4eoqiUs98tYEG3UJc44nbMuqQ_hEc_16olX1eqO0aT9fRt00Fuyk_QnjTrvLkB38_1OO1NLsqvsCY.ALBI3Y7tRw3kmCEB1p.jVKW9vb6KwSBDyj_qlIP9ne56XVmrhkQxR9gZLftl8hYqKjk5ASU6.YQRe5O0O5wdniYPWfxUFFw5pbyZ3O1PK1vzWUVes5Hk.Qy4b0ln4kMqNXpIcbtKGgq7K48XYBZADFkeTQaK3wakpGnzg6X58j6SUYV3N8ay4kTliTfOtx1ncyP1EDpov8x060NtXG8RJKk2tfxbHT3_M70gCfr41V1rDUAtdh3onLJyHJeMs.ipgXjgPP_sXlb9x3AHJLJHXdPzj9BShVatquI9Fj_h9IaatJX0eBE8wSe_asASxJAtgHvbIQr2tRdNukA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:31:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Sonix To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [BSP] new DJ mix http://www.djsonix.com/music/DJ_Sonix_-_Live_on_Transitions_2009-07-17-www_djsonix_com.mp3 DJ Sonix - Live on Transitions 2009-07-17 Duration = 74:12 mins. 01. Behrouz & Andy Chatterley - Lost In Translation (Timo Maas Mad Day Remix) 02. Marcus Schossow & Breakfast - They Came For Us 03. Jay Lumen - Heureka 04. Andy Paciffic - Desem Light 05. Steve Angello & Sebastian Ingrosso - 555 (Popof Neo Trans Version) 06. Jerome Isma-Ae - Smile When You Kill Me 07. Art Of Trance - Swarm (Telefon Tel Aviv Remix) 08. Jose Amnesia - Transfusion (Ja Sunrise Dub Mix) 09. Soliquid - The Caterpillar Of The Windmill 10. Dean Coleman Feat. DCLA - I Want You (Andrew Bayer Remix) 11. Royksopp - Happy Up Here (Boys Noize Remix) Enjoy :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151220-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 20 04:10:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4089 invoked by uid 1103); 20 Jul 2009 04:10:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4068 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 04:10:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248063033; bh=hch/2KJmO0SyWDVdSWs7Ehm35fCYPc9d7nQ5oe8q+tk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e9kFodMyHXWJGKxAeyEAmLHPKmtr2nOB0kh2LoO/nn8HI6Y5ySqXJjFnHlW9y/miwMuzui3CXa27fxzoFfiav61oAH7hu24Wr9UJ69VXq9hDDPAJaoDREWr8ztlXc9svvB4vf0cf2v12Vw+EEobH41Gs/CkizY6jtNHxdTw/blk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0ko0KzPIUzQZ30BBmHafT7lxMLogde3iZaKXuZ2otXQuDbRSDSCD9k3uYnlvNjpmSRY3CD/zityFCPexnpDfOb/EzbNkKy88FdBrxDjNJbhwdHocCDU9/+p2jZ0rG/mFnVQgZ+XUhKUUrIgi6K/v+8nzDmBC3KM8l+J+RyVm6mA=; Message-ID: <257399.11280.qm@web112402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HsAwyAsVM1lfZM3iI1sFKDwSIyxWgcMFGVkZ2UkoyjVItftmxB5EvVDpuk88DY6OvsdsE2H1tsbv0QTfLXPzUKx5U6JJreFhJaCVyBA8iJNC5eAHpLqqbYyq4hcZlX.pvcQqYiM2PrxywJzsCTqQ7SlmdX_S4F0aNnaIwH2h7yql7ZZnqx9yETv3pjPxNozVL7pK.WHtmvH9BLlgLBaJp87YITxuFksE6K_oErwgTzO1ve4QzmyTV.7Z7XsjKPZqdTW9anM4rimCxNb45ilBCnIYoU345lxn2ebQ.2OAiYYNZVOq88aAWHsbvf8w8k3Tvq0- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat To: the land of the lost ravers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1816212423-1248063033=:11280" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] wknd lee coombs end up --0-1816212423-1248063033=:11280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My weekend was just going to consist of working on my term paper & my final= & my last speech presentation... but alas i couldn't just stay home another day..so come 1030, i jumped into= the shower, got ready and went to the end up!=20 got there just in time to catch lee coombs set... he rocked it wikkedly :) = as packed as this place was he had everyone dancing their butts off!!!! the end up was packed.. like even the patio was packed.. Opulent temple had= a very good turnout..i missed dulce's set, dex played friggin awesome as a= lways..=A0=20 i danced the whole entire night.. non-stop well except for the ice runs.. n= eeded to keep hydrated :) funny thing about this night was it was more spur of the moment, didn't pla= n to go out..i mean i had the idea since 8 that night but i was very iffy..= but i said fuck it.. im just gonna go..why not.. i didn't make any plans to= meet up with friends.. so i went solo...=20 haven't done the solo thing in forever but it was fun..met a lot of new int= eresting people.. a couple who wanted to take me home was the most interest= ing of the night.. then again random guys who bought me drinks was fun.. ex= cept for that one guy who kept grinding up against me then had the nerve to= try and feel me up.. sometimes maybe just maybe i shouldn't wear a dress b= ut then again it was too dam hot to wear pants.. any who.. i had fun.. just dancing my night away... music & dancing all night long is the best form of therapy..=20 just what this kitteekat needed.. =3D^-^=3D k.. hope everyone else had a wonderful weekend :) xoxo adrie "Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching" "I am married to music ~ Addicted to bass ~ I belong to the rhythm ~ The da= nce floor's my place.." =0A=0A=0A --0-1816212423-1248063033=:11280-- From sfraves-return-151221-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 20 04:59:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49712 invoked by uid 1103); 20 Jul 2009 04:59:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49679 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 04:59:47 -0000 References: <257399.11280.qm@web112402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: eesiad1@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:59:45 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 In-Reply-To: <257399.11280.qm@web112402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: djhil2sf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBD70E0907000B_141C_F902_WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43792-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CBD70E08FD769B-141C-7A26@WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] wknd lee coombs end up ----------MB_8CBD70E0907000B_141C_F902_WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ya, I got there around 5 in morn, it was still crackin! Then took off around 6:30 to head straight to work. Hil -----Original Message----- From: Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat To: the land of the lost ravers Sent: Sun, Jul 19, 2009 9:10 pm Subject: [sfraves] wknd lee coombs end up My weekend was just going to consist of working on my term paper & my final & my last speech presentation... but alas i couldn't just stay home another day..so come 1030, i jumped into the shower, got ready and went to the end up! got there just in time to catch lee coombs set... he rocked it wikkedly :) as packed as this place was he had everyone dancing their butts off!!!! the end up was packed.. like even the patio was packed.. Opulent temple had a very good turnout..i missed dulce's set, dex played friggin awesome as always..? i danced the whole entire night.. non-stop well except for the ice runs.. needed to keep hydrated :) funny thing about this night was it was more spur of the moment, didn't plan to go out..i mean i had the idea since 8 that night but i was very iffy..but i said fuck it.. im just gonna go..why not.. i didn't make any plans to meet up with friends.. so i went solo... haven't done the solo thing in forever but it was fun..met a lot of new interesting people.. a couple who wanted to take me home was the most interesting of the night.. then again random guys who bought me drinks was fun.. except for that one guy who kept grinding up against me then had the nerve to try and feel me up.. sometimes maybe just maybe i shouldn't wear a dress but then again it was too dam hot to wear pants.. any who.. i had fun.. just dancing my night away... music & dancing all night long is the best form of therapy.. just what this kitteekat needed.. =^-^= k.. hope everyone else had a wonderful weekend :) xoxo adrie "Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching" "I am married to music ~ Addicted to bass ~ I belong to the rhythm ~ The dance floor's my place.." ----------MB_8CBD70E0907000B_141C_F902_WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com-- From sfraves-return-151222-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 20 05:10:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57965 invoked by uid 1103); 20 Jul 2009 05:10:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57784 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 05:09:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248066623; bh=jJsSC1yNbpuxk9AY3QVGb1NwL1cOIUBXkTfAxx/SAFw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xeb4GBa9NwwsBnXjnhaD3YYbOzx6MyqsMg1biaSc8KmU4/C+Lwzw4RXuTqPY8CdihLAtEmWrW6tx+RYUIVngpn7r41CC1b40vGU76oqeTySaO8J9FShKblB2FTTYQlrjfnL5le9F8JanLTUOWnJw/PTqsSRUc7FfuDJlHqnXy6o= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=q8rV3AFJVctO8FR+9K0/VL4EgV83vVW3TmNQk8bmMwMGV45P4TrN4ym4d2BNa0jqB8zCilOW5llOpnGC+0tjphVQScRI1wu1YBerlDhDZBJ9x6NQoD2ptxHptuZ90UMZ+j+CzmvTZJh1ceyGZ05VgOpn1PA+jF16FKUKEe93DbE=; Message-ID: <536944.83303.qm@web112411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZN3hQPsVM1mCT7Qb3O5kXMe0Ume0CKfMEE.5hFrckYfdcDNnAL7C6ds2_VqnQSjHsWAWB3H0yRY2RDHbUqvPaMU7w4CyTUiDSjSh70pX9plZDhAXifBxvO0RQ1uapjJqEcUKbPllcXLKyRCCvKDPHQ7MWAWukIAxBWEGIeunnn6kuiD4rjQYIDLhUDNCulyKpZl0.irOkoa7_y_H9_LicHY9dZmRRe3RRuLuse_IJo3bl9DgxNPlBnXA_Fs5FbaMb02PdL4.i3q94DgH99sPXfsrQYW8oRLGIGDzVmNYj5tBKm2bPyaE89O.AL4meHb9GIYHx_iPrWo3jrpgHEQXPWUdrnjMB6vv5IXNgj581j1T1BjuMQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, djhil2sf@aol.com In-Reply-To: <8CBD70E08FD769B-141C-7A26@WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1476772482-1248066623=:83303" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] wknd lee coombs end up --0-1476772482-1248066623=:83303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable too bad i didn't see you, next time :) i left around 8ish..bart drunken rides are fun..lol ... and my legs are soo= oo friggin sore now.. -adrie "Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching" "I am married to music ~ Addicted to bass ~ I belong to the rhythm ~ The da= nce floor's my place.." --- On Sun, 7/19/09, djhil2sf@aol.com wrote: From: djhil2sf@aol.com Subject: Re: [sfraves] wknd lee coombs end up To: eesiad1@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 9:59 PM =0A Ya, I got there around 5 in morn, it was still crackin! Then took off a= round 6:30 to head straight to work. =0AHil =0A=0A=0A=20 =0A=0A=0A=20 =0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat =0ATo: the land of the lost ravers =0ASent: Sun, Jul 19, 2009 9:10 pm =0ASubject: [sfraves] wknd lee coombs end up =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMy weekend was just going to consist of working = on my term paper & my final & my=20 last speech presentation... but alas i couldn't just stay home another day..so come 1030, i jumped into= the=20 shower, got ready and went to the end up!=20 got there just in time to catch lee coombs set... he rocked it wikkedly :) = as=20 packed as this place was he had everyone dancing their butts off!!!! the end up was packed.. like even the patio was packed.. Opulent temple had= a=20 very good turnout..i missed dulce's set, dex played friggin awesome as alwa= ys..=A0=20 i danced the whole entire night.. non-stop well except for the ice runs.. n= eeded=20 to keep hydrated :) funny thing about this night was it was more spur of the moment, didn't pla= n to=20 go out..i mean i had the idea since 8 that night but i was very iffy..but i= said=20 fuck it.. im just gonna go..why not.. i didn't make any plans to meet up wi= th=20 friends.. so i went solo...=20 haven't done the solo thing in forever but it was fun..met a lot of new=20 interesting people.. a couple who wanted to take me home was the most=20 interesting of the night.. then again random guys who bought me drinks was = fun..=20 except for that one guy who kept grinding up against me then had the nerve = to=20 try and feel me up.. sometimes maybe just maybe i shouldn't wear a dress bu= t=20 then again it was too dam hot to wear pants.. any who.. i had fun.. just dancing my night away... music & dancing all night long is the best form of therapy..=20 just what this kitteekat needed.. =3D^-^=3D k.. hope everyone else had a wonderful weekend :) xoxo adrie "Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching" "I am married to music ~ Addicted to bass ~ I belong to the rhythm ~ The da= nce=20 floor's my place.." =20 =0A=0A =0A=0A A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! =0A= =0A=0A=0A --0-1476772482-1248066623=:83303-- From sfraves-return-151223-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 20 16:09:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39006 invoked by uid 1103); 20 Jul 2009 16:09:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38971 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 16:09:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uXaFFKr/hha01kbTzBWdSCIJENKWXTXkhJTYtN/ow+c=; b=VQST1QqQjoSmS6FbbybZmkSwZYaskodsMbClvG7Eag8QIoxL2bI3sOgww583kbZe3y Hk7/WKlk56tMFhNBoNpB0SNu4ibUezIY6v0fqvmXnb8v/zw7Y/+3XE4LaBrMOztYdUlA n2LtXP3b2jHYNhbomnNvxO/SCwTYlNEzY0AU4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=webCREw8cDAHf9CoCL5RGaTK/SQlOLfrRes2o0u/xZg/LKPZwgDzGYm+CnoiDAAbDt vjDEwc7S9SCHo3Bkw1XtKpCZ2om56bnqAlVKs0vUppB1FcwqXkXzPs5xc00vPB0hURfz EWOozMaE3JOiTpgRq7ohj9X743OOwaiKXaCeA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <536944.83303.qm@web112411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8CBD70E08FD769B-141C-7A26@WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com> <536944.83303.qm@web112411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:10:10 -0700 Message-ID: <929e7b240907200910j726c00b0w22e9fd2f9e646175@mail.gmail.com> From: Danny To: Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, djhil2sf@aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f9a00518759046f255fc3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] wknd lee coombs end up --0016367f9a00518759046f255fc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fuck dulce told me to hit the end up up! hahah up up it must be early! I think there's some fun things goin on this weekend!! superhero party at anonsalon.. anyone go on the sunset camping trip? On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat < eesiad1@yahoo.com> wrote: > too bad i didn't see you, next time :) > > i left around 8ish..bart drunken rides are fun..lol ... and my legs are > soooo friggin sore now.. > > -adrie > > > "Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching" > > "I am married to music ~ Addicted to bass ~ I belong to the rhythm ~ The > dance floor's my place.." > > > > --- On Sun, 7/19/09, djhil2sf@aol.com wrote: > > From: djhil2sf@aol.com > Subject: Re: [sfraves] wknd lee coombs end up > To: eesiad1@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 9:59 PM > > > Ya, I got there around 5 in morn, it was still crackin! Then took off > around 6:30 to head straight to work. > > Hil > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat > > To: the land of the lost ravers > > Sent: Sun, Jul 19, 2009 9:10 pm > > Subject: [sfraves] wknd lee coombs end up > > > > > > > > > > > > My weekend was just going to consist of working on my term paper & my final > & my > > last speech presentation... > > > > but alas i couldn't just stay home another day..so come 1030, i jumped into > the > > shower, got ready and went to the end up! > > > > got there just in time to catch lee coombs set... he rocked it wikkedly :) > as > > packed as this place was he had everyone dancing their butts off!!!! > > > > the end up was packed.. like even the patio was packed.. Opulent temple had > a > > very good turnout..i missed dulce's set, dex played friggin awesome as > always.. > > > > > > i danced the whole entire night.. non-stop well except for the ice runs.. > needed > > to keep hydrated :) > > > > funny thing about this night was it was more spur of the moment, didn't > plan to > > go out..i mean i had the idea since 8 that night but i was very iffy..but i > said > > fuck it.. im just gonna go..why not.. i didn't make any plans to meet up > with > > friends.. so i went solo... > > > > haven't done the solo thing in forever but it was fun..met a lot of new > > interesting people.. a couple who wanted to take me home was the most > > interesting of the night.. then again random guys who bought me drinks was > fun.. > > except for that one guy who kept grinding up against me then had the nerve > to > > try and feel me up.. sometimes maybe just maybe i shouldn't wear a dress > but > > then again it was too dam hot to wear pants.. any who.. > > > > i had fun.. just dancing my night away... > > > > music & dancing all night long is the best form of therapy.. > > > > just what this kitteekat needed.. =^-^= > > > > k.. hope everyone else had a wonderful weekend :) > > > > xoxo > > adrie > > > > > > "Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching" > > > > "I am married to music ~ Addicted to bass ~ I belong to the rhythm ~ The > dance > > floor's my place.." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > > > > -- um i like music --0016367f9a00518759046f255fc3-- From sfraves-return-151224-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 20 17:30:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71694 invoked by uid 1103); 20 Jul 2009 17:30:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71470 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 17:30:00 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on bit.tuplemovers.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:30 +0000 From: "Holt Sorenson" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: Mail::SendEasy/1.2 Perl/5.010000-linux Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20090720173000.47E1EF8394@bit.tuplemovers.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: BSP: Holt mixing live right now on KZSU! 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-- =48=6F=6C=74 =53=6F=72=65=6E=73=6F=6E=2F=45=63=6C=65=6B=74=72=6F=6E=69=6B = =47=72=6F=6F=76=65 =68=73=6F=40=68=73=6F=6D=75=73=69=63=2E=63=6F=6D =68=73=6F=6D=75=73=69=63=2E=63=6F=6D - =6D=79=73=70=61=63=65=2E=63=6F=6D=2F= =68=73=6F=6D=75=73=69=63 - =74=77=69=74=74=65=72=2E=63=6F=6D=2F=68=73=6F=6D= =75=73=69=63 =4B=5A=53=55 =28=6B=7A=73=75=6C=69=76=65=2E=73=74=61=6E=66=6F=72=64=2E=65= =64=75=29 =73=68=6F=77 =54=68 =40 =36-=39=41=4D =55=53=2F=50=61=63=69=66=69= =63 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151225-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 20 20:01:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72694 invoked by uid 1103); 20 Jul 2009 20:01:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72675 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 20:01:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4A64CD45.5050808@defsf.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:02:13 -0700 From: sean ocean Organization: DEF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SFR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] C.U. Edwards one of my favorite contributors to XLR8R, when they were in their oversized newsprint and free days, was C.U. Edwards he would often draw silly comics about the rave scene in san francisco and offered insights into the art of djing in chill rooms and the like. today i was just randomly thinking about him and i just googled the name and found out what he's up to these days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Uzzell_Edwards like any SF raves pioneer from back in the day he still remains an great influence on his community. there was a sense back in the 90s that anything was possible and you could do anything, especially with raves and your community. still no reason that can't be true till this day. time to wake up and stir up the status quo again. peace and respect, sean. -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subscribe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151226-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 21 23:59:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33947 invoked by uid 1103); 21 Jul 2009 23:59:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33922 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 23:59:07 -0000 Message-ID: From: "nico" To: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:59:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA0A24.A3027C70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Wow, Roy Davis Jr. at Temple on Fri. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA0A24.A3027C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love me my lovey dancey house music. I still listen to his set from = Haight Street every now and then. love always n i c o ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA0A24.A3027C70-- From sfraves-return-151227-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 22 06:38:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98601 invoked by uid 1103); 22 Jul 2009 06:38:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98569 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 06:38:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=djdragnfly.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:X-Identified-User; b=IcsisnclA0tbf8Lp9mU8g1WWlnJaPYP9L8KVj4KTMd5cNFxJkwtQGZZitmaKbQsEw0mJmSeB7Ok/IoqwwU5kxB6kZ9eJ+l6IKsNVJcVIwD+ZfVqgBK6fjLbALxo/U3sV; From: "Dragn'fly" To: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:39:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA0A5C.844AE410" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Identified-User: {996:box302.bluehost.com:djdragnf:djdragnfly.com} {sentby:smtp auth 71.138.129.181 authed with dragnfly@djdragnfly.com} X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hey Andy (W), I think I just found your dream-mate! ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA0A5C.844AE410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holy shit! She's Got it Goin' On! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpD_7eYBgEA (stick with it until at least 1:15 and the "one-legged move"? Hands down the best "synth-tar I ever done seen"! I can't think of anyone off-hand who can hold a candle to that!! He he he ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA0A5C.844AE410-- From sfraves-return-151228-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 22 06:51:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10032 invoked by uid 1103); 22 Jul 2009 06:51:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10016 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 06:51:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248245508; bh=o+OMxcgVYS3j7CM4gvebnhm/OO3NIKsvRT8LPtbQjX0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0/9ths8S3e5yFdYfjoSEb42/mVR2+yY4Cojx5OKAVPexVR65u6bNDf8FEvRm4URCmqKBvaHEVZEDum/h5HbFIJh16iGP4OEWcBW3Su183iRUcpyGsbxG6i7XbJ+dhmFrzZA1Nw9LMtd5ZKwiPIuuUq+PSkyvRIby2sRM1jx0gas= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=InHqDhpwVMSaUVeR6O4wIAn0RFbbnq9N0ARKFAUWgq1T4rg90F7QXWQn6li/zbydPcFrWpAdOPcNndDCjJMTeZNyW7yL62WOeg0FzSmlTd9Eq2qpmB0O65xjW1plvGosvhUI2KU6LkmBzsMhzBy0JdKadp1uKpeUnY0MCJlduyE=; Message-ID: <942581.4185.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mIm7JMkVM1kWYiwGjh71NnZmvvpYHQkyXXCd6wuqw.1RJyGHeTJd4xpI2CA8Rjl7LRIfMT25yYfAW0JjNQJ1E8ZJ3SvI0f_MGS_AXTqz6591I5GWkhRh5MNLAJkZp.4JoKMAWiY_G06tLTu5_ReYCG0C2tYkTQpZg1gqTSQe1uTyKydWTNP60isMJnX5JDubenmr4zd_6gjT81YHTDaMcZoiUqzCuJFahi9LWHFvbMmUYpZ841UpYFMU4S7wfVHPQ1XNI6PqW8Dw6LV89ZLyxxyYB4Vvg4vDYJK63q5O4NrKu73uqunZ6gPPAH7_p.wThsiPrZtHC0OcpGT_A5VJOaDc7NfC9OfCkFJyRRy2IQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:51:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, Dragn'fly In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1506905890-1248245508=:4185" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Hey Andy (W), I think I just found your dream-mate! --0-1506905890-1248245508=:4185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'm like she's hottt!! i haz a happy!!! LOLZ!!!!! "Dance is your pulse, your heartbeat, your breathing. It's the rhythm of your life. It's the expression in time and movement, in happiness, joy, sadness and envy." "Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching" "I am married to music ~ Addicted to bass ~ I belong to the rhythm ~ The dance floor's my place.." --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Dragn'fly wrote: From: Dragn'fly Subject: [sfraves] Hey Andy (W), I think I just found your dream-mate! To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 11:39 PM Holy shit! She's Got it Goin' On! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpD_7eYBgEA (stick with it until at least 1:15 and the "one-legged move"? Hands down the best "synth-tar I ever done seen"! I can't think of anyone off-hand who can hold a candle to that!! He he he --0-1506905890-1248245508=:4185-- From sfraves-return-151229-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 22 18:37:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67926 invoked by uid 1103); 22 Jul 2009 18:37:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67902 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 18:37:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248287897; bh=+3B4x75GVo6ARbSkwpBz653c2D6OxNRxP0u8YNwamFI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OVZQMk9m9Kx93CW24Ng/5PAlcO/yyK0Sgdsu7GNLsXGU5drZ4Mck+Gm+T67YRRP2rjZ/8W+zS6tPviJv49UsfRu2ZlyPlmuWyuOrsc/OnJTbvRGyZH3Ch+usNjZIck5rXq59dYYuiNt4wV/3aLfTZM6hXTd7Ib+aBaybj3L+XQs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zJUjGOI6V9xLF61FdbWYTTSX8W9gyl6y+jQwzvdzWzyh/vdqbKiwxVPXDro5CwkVl/3kpUQfiBnj3h4Sy153iqhQsPgViS7NgYCa6PiCgKys9nEq7Kd0SYEsg9Vg6ocXycqNdZ3I+De5d8NSH0boJF8aZKn57HcZG7tmjax7jqQ=; Message-ID: <562213.28348.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .UyqBGoVM1k5t0BuPGGVvMkN2TWZtJ5CajnCOKJdDDPcTZPRYDluQL3fCR0L6FU3_gQi4BxWNskiX6SMAZY0tTZwWNoYyPHnA3fVREyhpZ0ESK3a6mprTsuc4Uw5dNE_7voCgffSCmjb6A8a.r4FgzNHSDcj6jM7qyVLpbrBqV2YygFbHSR5sDWMCrlE9zSyTz6EAP5emDa6qDt1wJzU2V3bkl6TqJy0.AaJKvrvIDTzHgzZIiNk5vv_6EgjNkBAos7Kh7_RiDj9lnv9EwP8d_zVDM8nZRhrMIcjpsSNoa9Z3Yn1UVYoKvDJzs0iW4mC7WF_GTxnW4IF X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: Dragn'fly , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Hey Andy (W), I think I just found your dream-mate! Thanks for this, Dina! blogged - www.georgecochrane.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Dragn'fly To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:39:39 PM Subject: [sfraves] Hey Andy (W), I think I just found your dream-mate! Holy shit! She's Got it Goin' On! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpD_7eYBgEA (stick with it until at least 1:15 and the "one-legged move"? Hands down the best "synth-tar I ever done seen"! I can't think of anyone off-hand who can hold a candle to that!! He he he --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151230-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 22 19:38:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54277 invoked by uid 1103); 22 Jul 2009 19:38:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54257 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 19:38:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4A676AC2.3040707@defsf.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:38:42 -0700 From: sean ocean Organization: DEF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <562213.28348.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <562213.28348.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Hey Andy (W), I think I just found your dream-mate! lol. aight. though i think something about this makes me think she's russian. call me crazy. George Cochrane wrote: > Thanks for this, Dina! > > blogged - www.georgecochrane.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dragn'fly > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:39:39 PM > Subject: [sfraves] Hey Andy (W), I think I just found your dream-mate! > > Holy shit! She's Got it Goin' On! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpD_7eYBgEA > > (stick with it until at least 1:15 and the "one-legged move"? > > Hands down the best "synth-tar I ever done seen"! > I can't think of anyone off-hand who can hold a candle to that!! > > He he he > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subscribe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151231-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 22 19:58:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83644 invoked by uid 1103); 22 Jul 2009 19:58:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83606 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 19:58:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248292758; bh=jvOgs6xyaO1dEKCiYq1FTQjh5wTMWSZIf+hq27GXPA4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sFvg/l1KYdSJk4fHkBYAA+tJrwY0ZcIoJMbwb1G0/6oCpa9F6zltWZ+kW/lbol6tRHPar7iDQy7g+V2L4VimUxYAx+l67UIDqRLyRa8yuH3UdhlZbx5oA5gJVRrcrN/T22P9qIFqYKD9Gi7iuFsiGK8NzxHL+zLamWVk1pFDCBg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=q6Y1p/9Df7BBlW8CI7glsMFbv91W4CRdOjZn1o/X5YcYpdMVk16BE+dHocEkf5Baz1pSefxg5gEOe0JbGe1N98ZwDsLXm+LkwKwV0siJ0SvVfhX/qG9H8KqtHpsFtGyhzbldGngTMLEnysh+TcC80Kzyv2/yFxz4ODlt7SyI3w4=; Message-ID: <604728.93029.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: L0TfeWUVM1mgrV0WSuOgYhs75kuKVO_LJRBQZ3qo8ReaQSgw4NsMpNq8DaAuSskZYmbXdvLcuGn4zXt7IUCip.Xtf_stR3mmOKOYbbRPyW6MArfLWdYOV_k4vYqmURaGj63DbVfYoXW1YSOx4uKO1Sng6lgB1AtCI_DajGtXNN1RPQ3sW.6vEF77DFXSd.sveD0oPp1PMI3gpZixkyBS._1ff07xiDXLnnfQ.NSBt5DV6KXbHweLMSWK7q7SX6dF.qFkWZ6lR5u61oMLvlXci6ntvAiidFd_sjDv_HwBE1OS7gH.sC8eqG43KXzpAwXS7A-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <562213.28348.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A676AC2.3040707@defsf.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: sean ocean Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <4A676AC2.3040707@defsf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Hey Andy (W), I think I just found your dream-mate! She actually looks a lot like a Russian girl I had a super-fierce crush on at one point.. lol ----- Original Message ---- From: sean ocean Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:38:42 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Hey Andy (W), I think I just found your dream-mate! lol. aight. though i think something about this makes me think she's russian. call me crazy. George Cochrane wrote: > Thanks for this, Dina! > > blogged - www.georgecochrane.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dragn'fly > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:39:39 PM > Subject: [sfraves] Hey Andy (W), I think I just found your dream-mate! > > Holy shit! She's Got it Goin' On! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpD_7eYBgEA > > (stick with it until at least 1:15 and the "one-legged move"? > > Hands down the best "synth-tar I ever done seen"! > I can't think of anyone off-hand who can hold a candle to that!! > > He he he > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subscribe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151232-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 23 18:22:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65750 invoked by uid 1103); 23 Jul 2009 18:22:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65713 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2009 18:21:59 -0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e37d8a29-cd35-4aba-a5c5-df193fba27c6_" X-Originating-IP: [66.60.182.147] From: Paul Plescov To: sf raves , Stilldream list , "Movement Now" Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:22:31 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2009 18:22:32.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B392720:01CA0BC2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: BLVD w/ MC Souleye comes to Sacramento! Friday July 24th, 2009 --_e37d8a29-cd35-4aba-a5c5-df193fba27c6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We missed them so much at this years Anniversary event that we had to have = them at their own special show!=20 =20 The Venue: If you haven't been to Beatnik Studios this is your time to check it out! I= ts a wonderfully clean=2C beautiful and welcoming venue. The People who own= and run it are amazing and dedicated to the arts. We are very lucky to be= able to do this show there. =20 With that said come on out for what is going to be a awesome summer night! =20 The Stilldream Collective Presents: Friday July 24th=2C 2009 =20 ++BLVD w/ MC Souleye++ myspace.com/blvdsource blvdsource.com =20 Warm Up Djs: G.A.M.M.A. DJ Whores Mener =20 Also: Live Painting by your favorite Stilldream Artists =20 Where: Beatnik Studios 2421 17th St. Sacramento=2C CA 95818 =20 9PM-??? All Responsible Ages Bar for the 21+ =20 Only $10 @ the Door =20 www.beatnik-studios.com www.stilldream.org www.sblentertainment.com =20 We hope to see ya there! =20 Keep Dreaming=2C Living and Loving! Paul Plescov G.A.M.M.A. www.designsbygamma.com www.djgamma.com www.stilldream.org Paul Plescov G.A.M.M.A. www.designsbygamma.com www.djgamma.com www.stilldream.org _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports = pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGL= M_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=3Dsports= --_e37d8a29-cd35-4aba-a5c5-df193fba27c6_-- From sfraves-return-151233-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 23 20:24:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59294 invoked by uid 1103); 23 Jul 2009 20:24:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59274 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2009 20:24:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:25:28 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0907231325j281a3bcaya0eba298d5cf2d31@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: SFR , def announce Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d53ee4af67046f6549a1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: FAKTION 7249: FOREST GREEN | DISCONNECT --00163646d53ee4af67046f6549a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (eflyer at http://www.faktionsf.com/images/faktion7249.jpg ) Friday, 24 July 2009 R A Y presents: F A K T I O N : S U M M E R S P E C I A L : FOREST GREEN | DISCONNECT Friday, 24 July 2009 FOREST GREEN (SF | CUTE THINGS WITH FANGS) DISCONNECT (SF | DEF) live webcast via DEFSF:Radio Integrated ( http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ ) Bummed because you can't get to a campout? Despair not! FAKTION is proud to present this all too rare San Francisco summer engagement of none other than the legendary FOREST GREEN. Resident DJ DISCONNECT is so stoked he's pillaged an extra banging set of his own techno to get the night started right. Another FREE party brought to you with love and oontz. //////////////// See you on the dance floor! 4th Fridays @ Anu Anu-Bar 43 Sixth St., San Francisco, CA 21+ NO COVER Official Links: http://www.faktionsf.com/ http://www.defsf.com/radiointegrated http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// --00163646d53ee4af67046f6549a1-- From sfraves-return-151234-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 24 00:54:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7662 invoked by uid 1103); 24 Jul 2009 00:54:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7636 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2009 00:54:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248396926; bh=KeW2L+xtNMM63RuvqFuQV2DHvlts2qEG4bfvlclkYz8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=U04kbT43IpgGtn9NX+HdOBayIHjGG9zJGoMRK67V36x4HYyLYBWKW1x5kdDFNsSENszzthVZClZQz6jfEoxtu6Ckq/OwfBNFDZy4OSvYHy5Sxigk4umBh3RZ00m8YvyGlO7W5tlghzlkSjr6Uq8JjSBPakLx2opAQuotLzqfHos= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=N07VqqF2dFCTv/YIMhGILCJmcrD3vOMolv9GXeXK1vZ8MX4KAjUJiKCOJm1oD6vaX5OBAqpY3G3JPnqj6ZcnTgXUDhyVCN+w84sz2bWZgMsclB3Ofy0AtfkoUjzCFqXMR4lezSpT4PsJlRYq5RHZv9HZ1aY5Mt67vGvOzktkckY=; Message-ID: <809340.66412.qm@web50011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZkyE03QVM1lf_FSCz74gwL2Yb7YY1nsQ4gzJD3vIvTpC4a8QbXfQFI0AcXoEoDtVl61BAp3Kc68pwweMHT7NFo6oJNk1Wneh4cnIAt4ib89v72UmxgSk.kUNaedJXqCiKcpJWgN1rGHIJMGRruOTTUVYxXH.cg0yY7lIGM4Oe33iww4QjEFeAO8u4GY2F6EaZiGv3r2UdNmaO57TtcAVX6lLOnSg3u_21SfwtOK2uKWl6hGgLTpgRBFQBIXgkmcE1Ns0YGsY2po6uR5LmYW1g78zP_MW4oLKED3uWAWm7ld6ZD4ABefAsaiVt.sH8Sjgt_FGG.kg2s02wwsJ X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.1 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:55:26 -0700 (PDT) From: michael the redstickman To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Super Hero Street Fair - this Saturday! Surprisingly, a lot of peeps have told me they hadn't heard about this party. http://www.superherosf.com/ It's this Saturday from 1:00pm-midnight. Totally cool outdoor day/night street fair with a superhero costume theme! Brand new location. I'll be DJing at the Brass Tax stage with MC Lesurelee from 10pm-10:30pm. So yeah: I've paired up with a live ghettotech MC and have been producing my own bastardized tracks for her to MC over. Lots of stolen heavy metal guitar riffs and catchy hooks and loops and shit over booty bass. You'll fucking love it. The street fair looks like it'll be a total blast. Hope to see some of you there! Michael ---------------------------------------------------- www.redstickman.com blah blah blah listen to my crappy music blah blah ---------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151235-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 24 08:21:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28132 invoked by uid 1103); 24 Jul 2009 08:21:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28112 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2009 08:21:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=O2VEBdJ99+jKUKOg2IXFt0URNP6Y5P2T2Xy5ZeM7H1M=; b=lguplZ7FIuWZqphk3YZ7shJOCyuwvULYSgUXs1bIRY7uUj62iVT6oOOV29szutPLig xzsR8SvqIZ1bTyTeVgVi07o0gifMFkmKDmD5hSGVn0mkO8BQLEfItfLBQHW1U1P6HZGk CjbVSsM3dCzlTuY/RL78bL/a/bVpwvjFS+UL0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DNj35UiTk21iWBZ6nBXwqPHr95Gg+wUsyXKPu8ZIc3bFQaiRF+o5Yq+3L3YDgd8Dn0 liNHl7lyOB2bfGJUjpNemrezk7tVnuxs312IJVlRvw4FlgqazH4P69dfDa8VthwABVsU SoyPJMDap1a8JL7IWKE5qhqshpxRGgLMFPDTk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42a0b30f0907231325j281a3bcaya0eba298d5cf2d31@mail.gmail.com> References: <42a0b30f0907231325j281a3bcaya0eba298d5cf2d31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:21:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: Sean G To: SFR , def announce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: FAKTION 7249: FOREST GREEN | DISCONNECT Forest Green for free at Anu? Well shit me sideways. (Please, im stuck). See you guys there. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ray Wong wrote: > (eflyer at http://www.faktionsf.com/images/faktion7249.jpg ) > > Friday, 24 July 2009 > > > R A Y presents: > > > F A K T I O N : S U M M E R =A0 S P E C I A L : FOREST GREEN | DISCONNECT > > > > Friday, 24 July 2009 > > FOREST GREEN (SF | CUTE THINGS WITH FANGS) > > DISCONNECT (SF | DEF) > > live webcast via DEFSF:Radio Integrated ( http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ ) > > > > Bummed because you can't get to a campout? =A0Despair not! =A0FAKTION is = proud > to present this all too rare San Francisco summer engagement of none othe= r > than the legendary FOREST GREEN. =A0Resident DJ DISCONNECT is so stoked h= e's > pillaged an extra banging set of his own techno to =A0get the night start= ed > right. =A0Another FREE party brought to you with love and oontz. > > > //////////////// > > > > See you on the dance floor! > > > 4th Fridays @ Anu > > > > Anu-Bar > > 43 Sixth St., San Francisco, CA > > 21+ NO COVER > > > Official Links: > > http://www.faktionsf.com/ > > http://www.defsf.com/radiointegrated http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ > > > > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= // > --=20 kekekekeke =3D[^.^]=3D zomg!!111 kekekekeke This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. 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Thank you for your cooperation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151236-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 24 22:38:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38851 invoked by uid 1103); 24 Jul 2009 22:38:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38830 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2009 22:38:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248475163; bh=ec6nMbmj2G3+4AHSybUhNvnnUce9aLzbCiq2UIVepK4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Vb0EL0l6fvq8/e6UZj/BvaxZDAu1vQLSQRFtpdsQpu3vK9MhAx987HfJZiboIGVxEBjTpdpCDI3EhAKw60iEL6MKJUpT7fENDeT6KgXuoAZEHJjQUJde9PNh3Xx8VvkrHZiSlg7Ba9xPZJAwHCbWkzpWBzdyKOjWcBx2wBchiz4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wXMP1U9/FFh02YNfEG5YCExwBsI7Julr5tvyPh/qTdIl5La63Zz5GNYIqs+l2sxSRuZmVArpmjy+kv1SVBBu1C7hWuPFnVVznrYeYq/dpWew3UosHEONZi/qe4oU/zxpBxZdXHQsZ1H9xV7IgF0bFiR4KRfo2CPKRfevSWxYWso=; Message-ID: <968842.75547.qm@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QLHI_ycVM1l2Wnb8qvsouqPK.BgGtaXRyPxaV3GVg.F3LD4WdxmPkMoIX7huqlDb5_v6Ns6auqkJXwwRmyVfEv31X4u3I8WmnNmDHyd58P2LV4wR3xz86nUzt.oB88rmGsWwFamQ6Q2KPINsaKLRiwmJr4AxImciLr945KGCnEruBMCzrUePEVAsEjGXCZW63uFABfNshdHAgPohhtR5v.6LPDzrO3TQDb049bmO8DY8.hUdvtuiQMg6jE_oj_q1N9JGrYSQMdf2U_IaCPgjRFjHWjQJVYZ9fPyGmJSwLeyrrWTXD3t67J1s6VEZzU_gqrd5uw88oyn1Nxveu0TUNm0NczZmQLCUUhxmSRRl33Q- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Sonix To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [BSP] DJ Sonix - Live on Transitions 2009-07-24 [electro house tech house prog house prog trance] This week's radio show "Live on Transitions 2009-07-24" aired today on an Hungary radio at http://www.realinstant.net is now available for download. http://www.djsonix.com/music/DJ_Sonix_-_Live_on_Transitions_2009-07-24-www_djsonix_com.mp3 DJ Sonix - Live on Transitions 2009-07-24 Duration = 62:17 mins. 01. Lil Dirty - Vintage (Jim Rivers Reprise) 02. Lil Dirty - Vintage (Gianluca Motta Remix) 03. Sentrafuge - No Words 04. Kitt - Supercar Theme (Club Mix) 05. Kriece - Wookie Nipple Pinchy (Add2basket & Smartminds Remix) 06. David Forbes Meets William Daniel - The Act Of Fear (Sebrof & Leinad Remix) 07. Dirty South - Alamo (TV Rock Remix) 08. Roddy Reynaert - Jet Stream 09. Ashley Wallbridge - Harrier 10. 16 Bit Lolitas - Murder Weapon 11. Isma-Ae vs. Strobe - Monkey Square 12. Solarity - Codename Crimson (Soliquid Remix) Hope you like it. -Sonix http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sonix/6898812853 http://www.djsonix.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151237-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 25 04:28:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26885 invoked by uid 1103); 25 Jul 2009 04:28:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26866 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2009 04:28:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42a0b30f0907231325j281a3bcaya0eba298d5cf2d31@mail.gmail.com> References: <42a0b30f0907231325j281a3bcaya0eba298d5cf2d31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:28:53 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0907242128v220200e2rbfa81be4095207fb@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: SFR , def announce Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ef4d68f912d046f802830 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: BSP: FAKTION 7249: FOREST GREEN | DISCONNECT --0016364ef4d68f912d046f802830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Feed is up! Disconnect bringin tha thump! The link again: http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ -R. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ray Wong wrote: > (eflyer at http://www.faktionsf.com/images/faktion7249.jpg ) > > Friday, 24 July 2009 > > > R A Y presents: > > > F A K T I O N : S U M M E R S P E C I A L : FOREST GREEN | DISCONNECT > > > > Friday, 24 July 2009 > > FOREST GREEN (SF | CUTE THINGS WITH FANGS) > > DISCONNECT (SF | DEF) > > live webcast via DEFSF:Radio Integrated ( http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ ) > > > > Bummed because you can't get to a campout? Despair not! FAKTION is proud > to present this all too rare San Francisco summer engagement of none other > than the legendary FOREST GREEN. Resident DJ DISCONNECT is so stoked he's > pillaged an extra banging set of his own techno to get the night started > right. Another FREE party brought to you with love and oontz. > > > //////////////// > > > > See you on the dance floor! > > > 4th Fridays @ Anu > > > > Anu-Bar > > 43 Sixth St., San Francisco, CA > > 21+ NO COVER > > > Official Links: > > http://www.faktionsf.com/ > > http://www.defsf.com/radiointegrated http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ > > > > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > --0016364ef4d68f912d046f802830-- From sfraves-return-151238-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 25 06:51:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92127 invoked by uid 1103); 25 Jul 2009 06:51:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92094 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2009 06:51:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42a0b30f0907242128v220200e2rbfa81be4095207fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <42a0b30f0907231325j281a3bcaya0eba298d5cf2d31@mail.gmail.com> <42a0b30f0907242128v220200e2rbfa81be4095207fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:52:24 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0907242352l300995b5m1a52284810d7f4f0@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: SFR , def announce Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d53ec65dba046f822931 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: BSP: FAKTION 7249: FOREST GREEN | DISCONNECT --00163646d53ec65dba046f822931 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow! What an awesome set! Disconnect's just about wrapped, up in a couple, FOREST!!!! -R. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Ray Wong wrote: > Feed is up! Disconnect bringin tha thump! > > The link again: http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ > > > > > -R. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ray Wong wrote: > >> (eflyer at http://www.faktionsf.com/images/faktion7249.jpg ) >> >> Friday, 24 July 2009 >> >> >> R A Y presents: >> >> >> F A K T I O N : S U M M E R S P E C I A L : FOREST GREEN | DISCONNECT >> >> >> >> Friday, 24 July 2009 >> >> FOREST GREEN (SF | CUTE THINGS WITH FANGS) >> >> DISCONNECT (SF | DEF) >> >> live webcast via DEFSF:Radio Integrated ( http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ ) >> >> >> >> Bummed because you can't get to a campout? Despair not! FAKTION is proud >> to present this all too rare San Francisco summer engagement of none other >> than the legendary FOREST GREEN. Resident DJ DISCONNECT is so stoked he's >> pillaged an extra banging set of his own techno to get the night started >> right. Another FREE party brought to you with love and oontz. >> >> >> //////////////// >> >> >> >> See you on the dance floor! >> >> >> 4th Fridays @ Anu >> >> >> >> Anu-Bar >> >> 43 Sixth St., San Francisco, CA >> >> 21+ NO COVER >> >> >> Official Links: >> >> http://www.faktionsf.com/ >> >> http://www.defsf.com/radiointegrated http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ >> >> >> >> >> >> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> > > --00163646d53ec65dba046f822931-- From sfraves-return-151239-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 25 08:16:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74119 invoked by uid 1103); 25 Jul 2009 08:16:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74080 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2009 08:16:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Estioko X-X-Sender: terry@taz3 To: Ray Wong cc: SFR , def announce In-Reply-To: <42a0b30f0907242352l300995b5m1a52284810d7f4f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090725011437.K66158@taz3> References: <42a0b30f0907231325j281a3bcaya0eba298d5cf2d31@mail.gmail.com> <42a0b30f0907242128v220200e2rbfa81be4095207fb@mail.gmail.com> <42a0b30f0907242352l300995b5m1a52284810d7f4f0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: BSP: FAKTION 7249: FOREST GREEN | DISCONNECT Thanks! I'm at home diggin the choons, gotta wake up in the morning. I'm jellus ;-) -terry ------------------------------------------ terry estioko | terry@hyperreal.org SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Ray Wong wrote: > Wow! What an awesome set! Disconnect's just about wrapped, up in a couple, > FOREST!!!! > -R. > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Ray Wong wrote: > >> Feed is up! Disconnect bringin tha thump! >> >> The link again: http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ >> >> >> >> >> -R. >> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ray Wong wrote: >> >>> (eflyer at http://www.faktionsf.com/images/faktion7249.jpg ) >>> >>> Friday, 24 July 2009 >>> >>> >>> R A Y presents: >>> >>> >>> F A K T I O N : S U M M E R S P E C I A L : FOREST GREEN | DISCONNECT >>> >>> >>> >>> Friday, 24 July 2009 >>> >>> FOREST GREEN (SF | CUTE THINGS WITH FANGS) >>> >>> DISCONNECT (SF | DEF) >>> >>> live webcast via DEFSF:Radio Integrated ( http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ ) >>> >>> >>> >>> Bummed because you can't get to a campout? Despair not! FAKTION is proud >>> to present this all too rare San Francisco summer engagement of none other >>> than the legendary FOREST GREEN. Resident DJ DISCONNECT is so stoked he's >>> pillaged an extra banging set of his own techno to get the night started >>> right. Another FREE party brought to you with love and oontz. >>> >>> >>> //////////////// >>> >>> >>> >>> See you on the dance floor! >>> >>> >>> 4th Fridays @ Anu >>> >>> >>> >>> Anu-Bar >>> >>> 43 Sixth St., San Francisco, CA >>> >>> 21+ NO COVER >>> >>> >>> Official Links: >>> >>> http://www.faktionsf.com/ >>> >>> http://www.defsf.com/radiointegrated http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151240-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 25 18:57:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50765 invoked by uid 1103); 25 Jul 2009 18:57:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50713 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2009 18:57:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=djdragnfly.com; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-Identified-User; b=deD7KYNp8kcBiILcnGD1DADA9U+tGVdgf8i9CvCaTveYV1yrU7IAX9sYE78qF79somP+pnOCfLDzQleeXHnszAfhMAFEms5uUiTocaN+8IoCult7K0Y16lrFyEYrmJ+U; Message-ID: From: "Dragn'fly" To: Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:57:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA0D1F.1A93EDD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Identified-User: {996:box302.bluehost.com:djdragnf:djdragnfly.com} {sentby:smtp auth 67.116.236.40 authed with djdragnf} X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Zumobeats - FREE day party today at McLaren Pk. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA0D1F.1A93EDD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the financially strapped, this is going down today (probably already = going, actually - so I guess I'd better get my shite ready!) =20 Not a bad lineup for a free shindig, yeah? --------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, July 25th, 2009 Mizumo Music presents: ZUMOBEATZ - A Free Day Party in the Park You, your friends & family are invited to join us in the sun as we dance = the day away to San Francisco house & techno DJs: Dawn of Sound (2:40p-03:30p) Homero Espinosa (1:50p-02:40p) DRC (1:00-01:50) Dragn'fly (4:20p-05:10p) Influence (3:30p-04:20p) DJ Denise (5:10p-6:00p) Ivan Ruiz (12:00p-01:00p) Loryn (11:00a-12:00p) This event is FREE some come out if you can to enjoy good music, each = other's company and celebrate the summer season!=20 The beats go from 11:00am - 6:00pm=20 Where: Jerry Garcia Amphitheater John Mclaren Park San Francisco, CA=20 For directions, visit: http://www.jerryday.org/directions.html Please: - Come with a good attitude... and keep it that way - Bring your own food and drink (NO glass bottles) - Feel free to take photos and videos with your cameras - Pack out what you pack in (NO littering, especially those pesky = cigarette butts) - Wear earplugs when dancing directly in front of the speakers=20 Parking:=20 You can park anywhere along Shelley Dr. and walk along the Drive or = across the fields to the amphitheater.=20 ***Carpooling and Public transportation is strongly suggested.*** Hope to see you there! ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA0D1F.1A93EDD0-- From sfraves-return-151241-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 27 16:38:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35928 invoked by uid 1103); 27 Jul 2009 16:38:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35816 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2009 16:38:18 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on bit.tuplemovers.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:38 +0000 From: "Holt Sorenson" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: Mail::SendEasy/1.2 Perl/5.010000-linux Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20090727163845.8E5F7F84D2@bit.tuplemovers.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: BSP: Ravi Pina mixing live right now on KZSU! 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To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <302024.45711.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <302024.45711.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (WNT 1167 2008-08-23) X-No-Archive: yes X-X-Sender: dougm@kzsu.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS On 9 July 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > Tie dye is the new white. They're still fuckers and they lost my print out. > > Peter Sorry, a little late to this one, but I LOVE this response! P.S., great to see you Sat! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Matt Stone > To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Cc: Nyc Labrets ; George Cochrane ; Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:10:59 PM > Subject: Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:07 PM, wrote: > > >>> What is old is new again. >> >>> I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A >> >>> For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe >> >>> To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished or not. >> > > Except they wear tie-dyed lab coats and do care if your job finishes ;) > > > >>> See also: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html >> >>> >> >>> Peter >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151243-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 28 05:22:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86213 invoked by uid 1103); 28 Jul 2009 05:22:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86196 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2009 05:22:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:23:04 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "J.C." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <378306.62057.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9F05B46D-E178-4261-87A9-4248E723D32D@technoprisoners.org> <4A5A4792.2020308@sonic.net> <318A3D7C-4DEA-4D3E-B7D5-E010B0484E82@electronpusher.org> <990325.45802.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907130113t10d272bbm45fa13326c5b7d34@mail.gmail.com> <378306.62057.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (WNT 1167 2008-08-23) X-No-Archive: yes X-X-Sender: dougm@kzsu.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS On 13 July 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > NCSA is where the Mosaic browser was developed. The original CERN browser was not graphical as I understand it, although I never saw that. > > Gore was one of the people, arguably the main person, that fought for the funding that led to the development of the Mosaic browser as well as other Internet related stuff... > > However, FWIW, hypertext was in use well before the web was developed. Not everyone appreciates this. It seems that I recall someone at the party mentioning "gopher" on Sat. And I'm not referring to Caddyshack. > > I personally was developing hypertext software years before the invention of the Web at CERN. We used a product called KnowledgePro from Knowledge Garden and we built a number of different applications for the Air Force and Army. This work dates back to 1986... > > Regards, > > Peter > -- San Francisco Bay Guardian's Readers Choice Award Winner: Best Radio DJ: http://www.sfbg.com/promo/pollpositions.php AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) "Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of KZSU Radio or Stanford University." (or words to that effect.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151244-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 28 13:44:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83768 invoked by uid 1103); 28 Jul 2009 13:44:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83739 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2009 13:44:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Anyone know how to contact AndyW these days? I ran into him a couple months ago and he mentioned that the saturn5.com email addresses were going away, but I didn't get a new email address from him. Thanks! P.S., who's going to burningman? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151245-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 28 13:53:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 803 invoked by uid 1103); 28 Jul 2009 13:53:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 758 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2009 13:53:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248789256; bh=5zO6wZ67/dby2jVeSfwAN6DrojAZ8ogsXwLyV7olMRQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hi3DdneiwvN0cjRwbTN/4EBscppActuZkp5SWldqYfBZsB2z51lizPIxbcr83Xe3U2zmeWM73OhCX3DxQ4+GzG1U7FQRr/37rFSU9N+Tx6JfhUd5Z1WPeqLTfdjks7vxWkqjJxfoswLJ1jNyUdN1e/86ghVOyK3NVNTIL10zjaY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ebcRVySppAz4bRn0mZZqUbIKvIB1JhtQkApFknDteBJFbcnauHnC+bYL+FMeTEMNNo+qY+5AKPRYzP+2R5HM6bYjEj4sqHJ0sk2i2AeyyVlj/pN3j5wxZ9X7xBwS+JSFz802ug4BpUb03Ny2IfvK1J6GaQpGID4V/ZpS+1Z9zhM=; Message-ID: <18114.30812.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: oTu5.HsVM1lhaxkVOKcPV09SJz1tn8Npjd9UhJmP3k9nVmWfPRVw.F0uAg7L4PoV31QwIPz1.c70rJx1suC46o0.CLpmsWJreKPoz3trGK_4xNXymmfbeY8KfTZEhBTODRh5sv54MWA35xUjqGyVLLqxVMTbhKEG7jCAnDeb_ImCTPQK6zyPmcERFlCpJeoXmZW3zXrsnY9cn8Npp19FoBbq1PO1JfvtXb7nZ72uyu79HS1Qwn9ES6zwFTW61W5izniFqXCU5IcxbR.fW4t4WBGcY_HNo5hI9ziWr4233BFFRWzzu2_qrF18hOZSUEIEZw8R0fKTJP05a3C_xYFnq1flzqF77Ix3Og-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <302024.45711.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:54:15 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS Its never too late to hate on the centralized processing approach... ;) ----- Original Message ---- From: J.C. To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:32:14 PM Subject: [sfraves] Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS On 9 July 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > Tie dye is the new white. They're still fuckers and they lost my print out. > > Peter Sorry, a little late to this one, but I LOVE this response! P.S., great to see you Sat! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Matt Stone > To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Cc: Nyc Labrets ; George Cochrane ; Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:10:59 PM > Subject: Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:07 PM, wrote: > > >>> What is old is new again. >> >>> I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A >> >>> For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe >> >>> To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished or not. >> > > Except they wear tie-dyed lab coats and do care if your job finishes ;) > > > >>> See also: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html >> >>> >> >>> Peter >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151246-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 28 14:09:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24773 invoked by uid 1103); 28 Jul 2009 14:09:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24738 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2009 14:09:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248790178; bh=+5862njJMckAkEZajaCNCRBX5anwRjpvq9bF/L2xlbU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Mwi4ir/6ZLMJHjhoxAmwPEj7CIpo7LCk2iTjNu2aPIAcLX1n9P0vItil+I6r1B4Y2ZkjENeRsFexZArFz0bG0Nku6KVnPLvUuWd/HiXkLv63zMhxG3VP2IInQLskA7FMsyrvhEAJya+uFVPwDp7fu8sP2ZKPBEirKMVKmp5dRmA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6VChavfwrYAA2sTHGlT1zeAdnYL0UmeukjFN4QLkjrHch6PEMvB/NKLuTFmPxN0zyx9KeUzM2FEE5wL/SgeWv590lps8K0ZYUDUbnkNF9DuoWrRem4cxhb28t2G99DBec0wDwgGFj1D7EqhBbWSXT2LR1wQjmG6WarvCJ9T7Ak4=; Message-ID: <845085.38295.qm@web112418.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fugX..QVM1mame9guPTAFxh1MUjJEyFVoQSCfN1wCxOhoRc6GTTYPE0c.k56wv5RCHLfgIIWDB3kr28dVaibs.XvPa3Fem8Fp4grpt18qd0DBI68nC3oZv6oLBIGKdg9lqRUhnJkhaHPEYP0ZcwHzNh36zEeiC9lHFOdA1S4yKAZHhTqwrIxVgDw6IkccFgx2gpEpPnQcLZUirrBISM7by2LezM2M8x761g3A49vPJcI9yQpAwSzxbn2TIi64xjOosc2jmvCpYZ5JNh6NcDRbkHAdX5pXfWBATmK0LaSTCxtdGGvAeA3RW5YG7OI1NOGQ8SJgvNgUQc0D.t0S5jWyUK9HEkcleI__1YWCVlTI5.x0ZYmEUZiHnCqAwUvBf__2A-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahhdreeahhnahh Kitteekat To: sfraves , "J.C." In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1919987604-1248790178=:38295" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Anyone know how to contact AndyW these days? --0-1919987604-1248790178=:38295 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi JC... i missed you at peters house on saturday...hopefully i'll see you soon ;) andyw is on the face book!!! he pretty much lives on there now :) i'll suggest him to you on fb.. oh oh...n i'm going to burningman :) xo -adriana "Dance is your pulse, your heartbeat, your breathing. It's the rhythm of your life. It's the expression in time and movement, in happiness, joy, sadness and envy." "Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching" "I am married to music ~ Addicted to bass ~ I belong to the rhythm ~ The dance floor's my place.." --- On Tue, 7/28/09, J.C. wrote: From: J.C. Subject: [sfraves] Anyone know how to contact AndyW these days? To: "sfraves" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 6:45 AM I ran into him a couple months ago and he mentioned that the saturn5.com email addresses were going away, but I didn't get a new email address from him. Thanks! P.S., who's going to burningman? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-1919987604-1248790178=:38295-- From sfraves-return-151247-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 28 18:02:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46822 invoked by uid 1103); 28 Jul 2009 18:02:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46793 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2009 18:02:34 -0000 Cc: "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <18114.30812.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:02:58 -0700 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <302024.45711.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <18114.30812.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS So get Gears and stop whining -J. On 28 Jul 2009, at 06:54, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > Its never too late to hate on the centralized processing > approach... ;) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: J.C. > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:32:14 PM > Subject: [sfraves] Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > On 9 July 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Tie dye is the new white. They're still fuckers and they lost my >> print out. >> >> Peter > > Sorry, a little late to this one, but I LOVE this response! > > P.S., great to see you Sat! > >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Matt Stone >> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> Cc: Nyc Labrets ; George Cochrane > >; Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass > > >> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:10:59 PM >> Subject: Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:07 PM, wrote: >> >> >>>> What is old is new again. >>> >>>> I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A >>> >>>> For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe >>> >>>> To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of >>>> controlling my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on >>>> some mysterious white coated acolyte who couldn't care less >>>> whether my job finished or not. >>> >> >> Except they wear tie-dyed lab coats and do care if your job >> finishes ;) >> >> >> >>>> See also: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ >>>> and http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Peter >>> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151248-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 28 19:34:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13839 invoked by uid 1103); 28 Jul 2009 19:34:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13810 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2009 19:34:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kD1SWGPhKpFJBf8SAu06gLvXcW6BTCeWsa7srNdggT4=; b=Ye64EcRHo8oftUOdjbt8p7Y/dgt7INaIPLJ3fOyTbxjRYSCjYCZ1zv1ZOrrbwbctFT zs/+D32ymIgIa3FHVxOoIqBJ087fA/wfWozvxThuHfE+Sh+w3gytpGQ0N8Z5MRO8YqPC rrnZ0QqHkJldG77iAvTzWVuAKMrL5JG+S1ydE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=nzb8RbYtVm1yBmcIARn5dk8rGJjiioL/ICrOm4HZQzdLIgqxvn33JdY/LPKjWVN9Qw UZur/b8Bb92rXCUT2L4+8fS0JautwHI4M14SuEo8bX8khiwCfipFZ/vd9pI3upB2+4z5 /sfq8NX+wt3VAIfAuCGUDL5xQ7qW1HTfjj71A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:34:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Sean G To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Confusion Friday 31st East bay location 2 rooms. 10pm-6am hardcore, techno, house, drum and bass, and a little oldschool trance. Email me if you want flier/information. This event is presale only and you must acquire $10 memberships from a human being during the week. Depending on your location I can hook you up with a vendor in your area, or you can hit up Trauma, EPR, or Audio Havoc where one of us will be kickin it all night. --- kekekekeke =[^.^]= zomg!!111 kekekekeke This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-email and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151249-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 28 23:54:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12629 invoked by uid 1103); 28 Jul 2009 23:54:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12609 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2009 23:54:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248825324; bh=YKlSFW9kyy5eFjWIr3C3H9apP4Kj586kPMREjvisc2k=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O2mVdZZSbKFU8NsVgQGqRKqWm/rDg4PbWhg71zIcPn0KEQn6wMD/+H+ygQKv6JT69VomiuvNPooJ2TTgjvMuR38tIaW18t2EsziyuNhUXo8uwaEozC6PdZvlT/WxqAy1PNNPP8UiyHfIOPCVq7ORQDRWma2P7TeAvmdZAnOZvXg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kgWZRcXxw45aGYoGEy9kqcxynv535KJplhH5Gf43aZtaONtK0CrGRKnvIuQK4Vb+kN7gBgX27nH1I9T3RKLgYt6COPfBShpQ1OraSyU/mCXpac4YmXRemvb3VyHKvTuCBKP1JaKp3bpLoff/SJ6r/JlA+jGpTL8vCX6YKM6B3RE=; Message-ID: <567533.62517.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wv5T1gsVM1nqhlNKsI8rPPeIk.ksGMBd.YcxcvOjYcjhGPmlL87q5T.d X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <791788.82967.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <340453.27318.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <7237bf9f0907091705v56020dfbrcca30cf45c8a347c@mail.gmail.com> <347526.92416.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <302024.45711.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <18114.30812.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Jas Strong Cc: "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS Joking not whining, but I guess YMMV. Actually I think the hybrid approach where I have both powerful local and centralized resources at my disposal is the best. This is what we did at my last place of employment although they never really got it fully operational to my specs. We had 64-bit multi-core desktops talking to a grid of 32 and 64-bit servers running Mathematica and MATLAB. If the grid goes down or whatever, you still have a multi-core computer with a big address space on your desktop and you always have access to this resource without having to coordinate with other researchers.. However for really big experiments where we needed to use 3-10 machines running sometimes for a number of days, having someone else manage a grid was great except when there were mistakes, i.e.rebooting half a dozen machines in the middle of a week long cross validation run. Oy. Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:02:58 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS So get Gears and stop whining -J. On 28 Jul 2009, at 06:54, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > Its never too late to hate on the centralized processing approach... ;) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: J.C. > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:32:14 PM > Subject: [sfraves] Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS > > On 9 July 2009, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Tie dye is the new white. They're still fuckers and they lost my print out. >> >> Peter > > Sorry, a little late to this one, but I LOVE this response! > > P.S., great to see you Sat! > >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Matt Stone >> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> Cc: Nyc Labrets ; George Cochrane ; Adriana ; sfraves@hyperreal.org; Media Bass >> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:10:59 PM >> Subject: Re: NRR: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:07 PM, wrote: >> >> >>>> What is old is new again. >>> >>>> I rememeber when we were stoked to get rid of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A >>> >>>> For one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe >>> >>>> To me this represents a giant leap backward. Instead of controlling my own computer, I'm going to be back to depending on some mysterious white coated acolyte who couldn't care less whether my job finished or not. >>> >> >> Except they wear tie-dyed lab coats and do care if your job finishes ;) >> >> >> >>>> See also: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CMN/is_n2_v33/ai_17942123/ and http://news.cnet.com/PC-makers-target-the-dumb-terminal/2100-1001_3-212326.html >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Peter >>> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151250-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 16:10:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52432 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 16:10:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52410 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 16:10:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:11:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/28/apple-google-iphone-technology-internet-infrastructure-apple.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151251-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 17:11:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52038 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 17:11:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52003 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 17:11:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=6MYYfcqeDlzg5UlGkcJvgT/JmFCn503O+PeJVdV9bZY=; b=Wz/xdqx5jkdMF7jQE7dJqZMJhMC34v5BdY2UmnNFlvENBYdj6mBMQBYylE7vpG5fIs bQ+2IYrumENswnFRoCxjvN7eaQmWdBFX1WtpWoZRUzmCnQOUww1N6pZzgCD3FTcA77b9 8jmJeuQiFGB8HW/DMj/Qa6t/3pmDRVnxpbDXI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=sLAIWGdOeNV5HA8HaqHA0rAmp/2z80C5jmxTfcUe2G4TbZTgfCkLnYpQ3vvthGhFZZ dEZYsBwQ9rOK6TMTAeRztoU3comJmEuuyLXgTy3HBH5PlVumd04zpeHppINOY9aaDD52 /L/dp1n7vFPAQM+xesoPCRDwR3852RB+47nps= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:12:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ben Haus To: "J.C." Cc: sfraves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db76b0331eb2046fdb4a7a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways --0016e6db76b0331eb2046fdb4a7a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ATT sucks. I ditched them and my iPhone this last weekend for Sprint's Simply everything plan for damn near the same price I was paying monthly for my iPhone, and I have TV with my Sprint plan too! I got the palm pre, and while it doesn't have all the kick ass apps that the iphone does, it's way easier to sync with stuff like gmail and calendars, and it's ability to run mutiple apps and stay signed into stuff like Gtalk and gmail blows the iphone out of the water. It does feel a little flimsy though, but overall, I'm happy with it. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:11 AM, J.C. wrote: > > http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/28/apple-google-iphone-technology-internet-infrastructure-apple.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0016e6db76b0331eb2046fdb4a7a-- From sfraves-return-151252-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 18:01:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35320 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 18:01:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35244 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 18:01:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248890541; bh=zsUfJZHQX0eEairc0TDbeSZEr7TSfY0qybFaQBj45M0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=x5CKuCshInAJc96t4jd45hB/qGJ56gmFqqSpCvV502eJ21PecrX4mkhN2itAWS+i5gFJijvwruyt/GlP/U6WAAHyhaZ30z430kGyZiugR3OvZksf3X47z6I23/qqtM7dgHBSV0kvwzQFrvyvRkUHq80U35qaOplOmpRFJTegbN8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oiqToie0GnombubehZuSsgiF/wRQDEoHylIX3GlH3enqH/LfHpombRR+rFwP9PqBgfw/hCMBczO4foCXlbfkBP5eyZaEuz1sGvoahRNsVT2V25t6ySPdQ2/6q+TWZKKoT1BmQyg40XsP89e2irokB+/+RXGjHuCl3YSizOgRjZs=; Message-ID: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3SobweoVM1nQWxyJE87_IsoKrRNR8p19AD1JRxcJrvg4SIyUNVLCUTaeUESuNQnYftpY5sSV0SbemWOBC8iqcNYNeCk8DADK1MGM80Zk0wGBLCKqWJdG4dUCTA.l1dz8eFnuJAyU0aOL4.oimoInYJ7e_0TRm_RpdbSacPwkuaizaJJY_Hpua_Cuxeh9aL3BT_K4mBVj5WsLwib1n1tDnTs8BH.vlpI4bf55Zuwj6hQ5VaalwMCyflN.xuL9R..CjFVi9qI7800hmBgbfZ4fQ1ncAoSXoPmqwbEtsQcM81nUwoaheWk6sr9xlPbf0mHtuvazENzCwHhEZFTsFgHumTEj9A-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:02:21 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: "J.C." , sfraves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways Eh... For the most part, when the internet squauks en masse, AT&T/Apple reluctantly listens. I don't think they'll keep their guard up on this for long. Sadly, there's no phone that does what the iPhone is capable of anywhere near as well (at least for musician/writer/blogger people like me), so until things open up, we're stuck with AT&T. It's like a choice between a lamborghini with its speed limited to 130 mph, or a wide-open honda civic. The former might piss you off when you occasionally knock up against that regulator, but the latter will never thrill you at all. Much like iPods and iTunes have taken over the sales of music online, Apple got to a pretty optimal zone with the iPhone before anyone else was out of smartphone short pants. This allowed them to capture the hearts and minds of the dev community early on. Developing for Android or WebOS or (*gag*) Windows Mobile is a labor of love (and wishful thinking) at this point. I wish things were different. Heck, I wish my old 2ghz MacBook didn't kick the shit out of nearly every available PC laptop made today for audio! It doesn't beat them in raw horsepower, but I can unplug my audio interface and midi controller in the middle of a set and plug it back in, and the thing will start working again. On PC, if *anything* comes unplugged, you've got to cycle all your software, if not power cycle the whole machine. Sometimes, it's the little details that make all the difference. -GC ----- Original Message ---- From: J.C. To: sfraves Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:11:11 AM Subject: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/28/apple-google-iphone-technology-internet-infrastructure-apple.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151253-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 18:21:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69309 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 18:21:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69276 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 18:21:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=u7mGcr172sU/SpBS655y8kt3FDfPMZE/kUt/Oai6BIM=; b=hXbhLYyFAxDp4CD0zRxop09Lm2GvKECk40+JcFQLoGnvjE5xsuRdILNm6+sz5uo6yf BpRbZAN5tu49xdk25JYo8fsWUtGNAwgZwaQC8dJ9tKXt5GLDK+qT+m5hcf/Mn2ij0p4A urx915FRdm1PryLLQMs6ZPrCE8AfR+Stq2qzs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=k3h066LC8+qEdeX58W41qoa+c4E5JeWSZKdQdoB7oBRPeeySQlARKSy8VORGw9rBFB dKGYXtuO8hSiH8EEf9pfNv+VdZJ60cvcSkChuJFUboAzVQPBdCvv4CT6OnvV/mzGJzcd fnuMXnWmv1mRCtaJRkUJXiOdcKiTPXE6O1l3w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:21:43 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ben Haus To: George Cochrane Cc: "J.C." , sfraves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b41952ca56046fdc42d7 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways --001636c5b41952ca56046fdc42d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The iPhone is great and all, but am I really the only person who was frustrated with its inability to run and keep open multiple apps at the same time?! I'm sure it's coming soon, but in the meantime, I'm lovin the Palm Pre's muti-tasking capabilities. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, George Cochrane wrote: > > Eh... For the most part, when the internet squauks en masse, AT&T/Apple > reluctantly listens. I don't think they'll keep their guard up on this for > long. > > Sadly, there's no phone that does what the iPhone is capable of anywhere > near as well (at least for musician/writer/blogger people like me), so until > things open up, we're stuck with AT&T. It's like a choice between a > lamborghini with its speed limited to 130 mph, or a wide-open honda civic. > The former might piss you off when you occasionally knock up against that > regulator, but the latter will never thrill you at all. > > Much like iPods and iTunes have taken over the sales of music online, Apple > got to a pretty optimal zone with the iPhone before anyone else was out of > smartphone short pants. This allowed them to capture the hearts and minds > of the dev community early on. Developing for Android or WebOS or (*gag*) > Windows Mobile is a labor of love (and wishful thinking) at this point. > > I wish things were different. Heck, I wish my old 2ghz MacBook didn't kick > the shit out of nearly every available PC laptop made today for audio! It > doesn't beat them in raw horsepower, but I can unplug my audio interface and > midi controller in the middle of a set and plug it back in, and the thing > will start working again. On PC, if *anything* comes unplugged, you've got > to cycle all your software, if not power cycle the whole machine. > > Sometimes, it's the little details that make all the difference. > > -GC > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: J.C. > To: sfraves > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:11:11 AM > Subject: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways > > > http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/28/apple-google-iphone-technology-internet-infrastructure-apple.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --001636c5b41952ca56046fdc42d7-- From sfraves-return-151254-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 18:21:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70110 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 18:21:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70084 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 18:21:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=AIGYKQkauy/5yUzsSXCX485cnI4QBqPLyWKdIc8c6co=; b=rtB2Sz8t9NBdFEgteAp0LTWlcNsCZS2pL6mD9hOwXKKBNmMEpzD9Gb5NB6cdOiL1dT QW1weWavOQ1ln/NZdBwQ0ENuat6TI1LXZr7nkoTpqcEUrgGrkXsjVNtPPiMM29MBPx6S kuvA9RIriuv4VGYvwkFZMxAejJUTqKaPWKMFQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=bCaAvEEL2ScHnx9oxFheRNotSX6whIlnWOc+9QxuE7O2mbXx2bMhcTuOSE0sEzR+vX rElxI4ATwKz5Dot4e53DoWiJIZFCuICGlKCZw2Q70Txsc9WXBYNBbXnV5Z5Pq/uvIVsG 3Cqfw3tN75fhikwiWLFene8RF+H5ZYCXO/rBk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:21:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: George Cochrane Cc: "J.C." , sfraves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ed2583b52f1046fdc4322 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways --0016364ed2583b52f1046fdc4322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, George Cochrane wrote: > > Eh... For the most part, when the internet squauks en masse, AT&T/Apple > reluctantly listens. I don't think they'll keep their guard up on this for > long. > > Sadly, there's no phone that does what the iPhone is capable of anywhere > near as well (at least for musician/writer/blogger people like me), bzzzzt. Try an android. Or the latest nokia. or the palm pre. > so until things open up, we're stuck with AT&T. It's like a choice between > a lamborghini with its speed limited to 130 mph, or a wide-open honda civic. > The former might piss you off when you occasionally knock up against that > regulator, but the latter will never thrill you at all. > > Much like iPods and iTunes have taken over the sales of music online, Apple > got to a pretty optimal zone with the iPhone before anyone else was out of > smartphone short pants. This allowed them to capture the hearts and minds > of the dev community early on. Developing for Android or WebOS or (*gag*) > Windows Mobile is a labor of love (and wishful thinking) at this point. > I don't see how developing for the iPhone is better in any way then doing Android or WebOS development. In fact, I'd argue the opposite. > > I wish things were different. Heck, I wish my old 2ghz MacBook didn't kick > the shit out of nearly every available PC laptop made today for audio! It > doesn't beat them in raw horsepower, but I can unplug my audio interface and > midi controller in the middle of a set and plug it back in, and the thing > will start working again. On PC, if *anything* comes unplugged, you've got > to cycle all your software, if not power cycle the whole machine. > > Sometimes, it's the little details that make all the difference. > > -GC > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: J.C. > To: sfraves > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:11:11 AM > Subject: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways > > > http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/28/apple-google-iphone-technology-internet-infrastructure-apple.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0016364ed2583b52f1046fdc4322-- From sfraves-return-151255-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 18:40:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5434 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 18:40:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5413 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 18:40:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248892880; bh=hkO1TrP5k+iMIf78O9LCsirDFi+uMdsPZgU8Nw9o03A=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IjZVv54cM02hNJ8Vp+KmzjF21alfb40ty5PnOBpMZRf2EeU4VuVO1tlTXhV3vKQPICyIusmEO36RBftZOdIkGG7Tes4feE2OhOUyDbmTw3vpxyZ2yyB3SlUJneSdAQ6gJARXzjicaOCrPxfEfeiWcBD+bDjGyBKT3Oeuib1TI50= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c7JQCuFqfhWdGtvSnp5Xqvwrl0zDJLZusZp1VwWsm8h8LBKzAJWhH96uPofw0IJ8kxjCarAoV7qwS+5cqT+bTRfsv4dL4xN7exCkYGPKAxvAk0jZgdjhuzq11x3gN47KflRHd2XIqGdNt0eA3RrJiQJu3tk09wF8njh48XBXVKc=; Message-ID: <218627.70776.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uATiV3MVM1kAG87e_7adcvsm8hBvB2u5z38nACf65d60aIyvBMTuTPrvldy3sLjNXZr7cvR7nvGWuvMdlRvqzuSADLZP2Xv8jVluwkib42Sac6klnREBj_g5Nh5oUCacssMQccvqTdbkuBYyTp2Ng8UKp7DwMoav4lAN.YBa3eCjh5v1JA31HTxkT24yGpDFhMMjy_Wxp3G8TdzBXjjUaXRlV0N9YwH.EbKomvgor5NkNGh86Daxt7T742_vz4QYvSOwRJkO.xAmKvcTrvu.NjP.M8XM6RrI786fixl49vSHu7C8NznrDi7RWlT6Dd0u X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: Matt Stone Cc: "J.C." , sfraves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Stone bzzzzt. Try an android. Or the latest nokia. or the palm pre. --- Apps, apps, apps, though. Beatmaker, Bebot, Omnifocus, Mad Decent, Noise.IO, all the OSC apps, Birdhouse, frickin' even Safari and the iPod functionality are still tough not to call best-in-class. These have become indispensible. The hardware itself is pretty nice, as well, though it's nothing other makers can't (and haven't) surpassed. --- I don't see how developing for the iPhone is better in any way then doing Android or WebOS development. In fact, I'd argue the opposite. --- In an altruistic, let's-push-things-forward way, yes, developing for other platforms is a great idea, but for sheer sales? There just isn't the customer base, or the infrastructure. The same holds true for Windows and MacOS. There's more impetus to dev for Windows, because there are far more users, and far more stores that carry PCs and not Macs. Media software companies, big companies with a lot of resources and companies that just love the Mac will always keep it afloat in good stuff, but it is a labor of love, driven by the want to be completist, the want to serve specialized customers and/or get the tools they want onto the platform they love- not raw dollars. There *will* be somewhat of a boost for the early providers- the first really great music production app for WebOS, or the first great productivity app for Android, etc, should sell comparitively "well" from scarcity alone, and dealing with anyone but the App Store will be far easier, quicker, and less prone to boneheaded takedowns. I just still see it as a tough proposition, especially with most phone app makers being startups who need to pay their VCs (or their friends and family) back with the quickness. More power to 'em. -G --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151256-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 18:55:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30687 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 18:55:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30662 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 18:55:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=WAVQqyQ6Lp3dbN0psKNDvnVZYoMfWowAMIuQvvJWJVk=; b=RZhCS+wVRVCezxhrUBkjmGbjJ4fNAbY1rLOl2Sn9kEk2+vRYjI55RDG7sqL4oepQv0 76Hs3FUMLFCdhBeSMxhR/ORyFY+NyBFpUmKcDtZ7P4vi8BFD2MKcLbcd05qIiBgsPoA6 P2LPWA/IqyHSe3+PaCdaFfjt8nkcN0XKGOCD0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=bKxSnZ78XoCDJK1kihw4yOAIXfdP6pBGltV4t+LKEMGoIGml6+XzB7V5pZgyNJdKCS RdmKmzJscOnFZ2Ch5sNah9H77OUfdUIXKEVKCEFuNYdphlffTpXCDZnGPAQLpRToEvSz eQ4ShH3KMyQp+5AjoB/2gxXf6CCCy8PRsbo20= Sender: Scott Solmonson Cc: "J.C." , sfraves Message-Id: <2A067C2E-55B1-401A-835F-43B1A79F7718@scosol.org> From: Scott Solmonson To: George Cochrane In-Reply-To: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:56:06 -0700 References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways On Jul 29, 2009, at 11:02 AM, George Cochrane wrote: > Sadly, there's no phone that does what the iPhone is capable of > anywhere near as well (at least for musician/writer/blogger people > like me), so until things open up, we're stuck with AT&T. With a little effort one day, you can save yourself from complaining on multiple days: http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ /Using iPhone with T-mobile unlimited data since... over a year ago? Also tethering since then- The only thing that doesn't work is visual voicemail- boohoo. -- Scott N Solmonson 408.718.6290 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151257-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 19:07:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51146 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 19:07:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51126 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 19:07:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=q/2kP5EJX4M8d5ezgFy6xlSkTdhBU5nLiZ1FBooZSMc=; b=FS2N4aBovsaPVUQhBIVDstx0419zisWPV2GCA2Z0gBYI5SInXeeSzH8el+XnCkraDT 6Azfvazs2DCJ+4UZyT/rAc0PsC7/GxpG7QPU5V+reftlxXUdlIRUvqXV4SwFJu6ukQ8E L0w4LwEblrKcrgCIBRteZxVEfKgEcyaCG/PU4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=wWcYjRzYc2KhgIY+RSs2r2t3AYKuE6CbFk9B4W1Mmf/GrlHCNXKgkst96M/NsJuyoG gvnK8Ojl+rtRwI06p/ES7/9R/k3NYjWSw+OztU059HEkCLJlbIRra4ljJUB20vEYMpyT IEHYmJsPxog8kVj8cHywz4BYVqO4N5A/xOyVU= Sender: Scott Solmonson Cc: George Cochrane , "J.C." , sfraves Message-Id: From: Scott Solmonson To: Matt Stone In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:08:08 -0700 References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways On Jul 29, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Matt Stone wrote: > > I don't see how developing for the iPhone is better in any way then > doing > Android or WebOS development. In fact, I'd argue the opposite. My arguments would be 1) Android is too closely tied to Java, which while providing consistency has some glaring deficiencies when it comes to trying to do something "out of the box". 2) WebOS... I think it's too early to comment on a dev platform that's only a month old, but on an initial whiff it smells a bit weak- like Apple's initial "Just use web technologies to make your iPhone apps, and Safari will provide the interface, and we'll open up the hardware through JS libs"... which sounded good on paper but really just does not work because of that reliance on the interfaces being provided. Sure, both of these platforms could be broken and opened just like the iPhone has, but it seems that nobody really cares because of the userbase failure. Thus to me, for a normal, friendly, "inline with intentions" app distributed through approved channels (Motionx GPS being my favorite example), the iPhone is the preferred platform. And for a rogue app that requires an unlocked phone and runs directly within the OS doing unapproved activities, the iPhone is... also the preferred platform. -- Scott N Solmonson 408.718.6290 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151258-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 19:22:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79994 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 19:22:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79964 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 19:22:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QLtQCnqcS/w1CGWVocVLb1866cVLDqPY7r6kXzQRuJ4=; b=JskjR6rgNofTTm/4IZJHK/zQjLo2rH3WB18dRQBHdZOnPUPynqx/0XBH8VP0aHryNL 9u9kVkJdBiszCd37n8wlRjSlum0KaHt3u+UFCK0ssMdqKZ/cVTk67JvHuYtEXbO3BLum eXAJxxC94ysTaIcDXyBsilO3Zi4u330fjmOMU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=OeRtXKzJr922jzaBoPNKGVRgTTi+yDmEw1x2dKyTNvd6ChrOVOg1fqu3r0bSbK9tNl S1TG64o6sQXT29fio3TEyK9gmIMxeD957zPICKiI+r3fBEC/U0HbGhv302D7JMv7YJmI ECZ9haTWVgiU+gP/rGQuVnvvu3sbGfmm9ZRSA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <218627.70776.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <218627.70776.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:22:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: George Cochrane Cc: "J.C." , sfraves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ee138e2eaeb046fdd1cd4 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways --0016364ee138e2eaeb046fdd1cd4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, George Cochrane wrote: > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Matt Stone > > > bzzzzt. Try an android. Or the latest nokia. or the palm pre. > --- > > Apps, apps, apps, though. Beatmaker, Bebot, Omnifocus, Mad Decent, > Noise.IO, all the OSC apps, Birdhouse, frickin' even Safari and the iPod > functionality are still tough not to call best-in-class. These have become > indispensible. The hardware itself is pretty nice, as well, though it's > nothing other makers can't (and haven't) surpassed. > I have a sampler and drum machine on my Android... > > > --- > I don't see how developing for the iPhone is better in any way then doing > Android or WebOS development. In fact, I'd argue the opposite. > --- > > > In an altruistic, let's-push-things-forward way, yes, developing for other > platforms is a great idea, but for sheer sales? There just isn't the > customer base, or the infrastructure. The same holds true for Windows and > MacOS. There's more impetus to dev for Windows, because there are far more > users, and far more stores that carry PCs and not Macs. Media software > companies, big companies with a lot of resources and companies that just > love the Mac will always keep it afloat in good stuff, but it is a labor of > love, driven by the want to be completist, the want to serve specialized > customers and/or get the tools they want onto the platform they love- not > raw dollars. > Huh? My argument was that the iPhone SDK is not the best in class. I'd rather write Java then objective-c any day of the week. If you are arguing that the marketplace itself is the best place to make money, sure that is true, as long as Apple doesn't decide to yank your app for no reason. > > There *will* be somewhat of a boost for the early providers- the first > really great music production app for WebOS, or the first great productivity > app for Android, Already exists, see shuffle > etc, should sell comparitively "well" from scarcity alone, and dealing with > anyone but the App Store will be far easier, quicker, and less prone to > boneheaded takedowns. I just still see it as a tough proposition, > especially with most phone app makers being startups who need to pay their > VCs (or their friends and family) back with the quickness. > > More power to 'em. > > -G > --0016364ee138e2eaeb046fdd1cd4-- From sfraves-return-151259-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 19:27:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88328 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 19:27:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88310 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 19:26:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0wKyD2gNpRdRm8l69QI/T5KHev8Odc0/IBAbxuneSko=; b=Uout16w6Z2o4fwZDkoT/hdJaR3S0YTaUUujO/aHNO1aGk4Bo0XAdzPCAaz6eDKSlt2 KuS17RNGx3cdsco+AHUFAbcLnXZrJ4QnSU/JyHrt8s7+OjGud4edEqXfNi0oxi7zE8AZ M9LDSLlEQHNulsl45nf2YmHQ4b/lPsMEDHYJU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=iTx4LH3ivEnXuA5/F6MkAp8UFh11ZFIrFjGCecKWWRC3i0lPf6fMmWNmKesGJxS0Hi STQLdrjQFwUiGTVuTwxz3Mvs74TEwkfaIEFapd8fz38ccMFmE+UQjmMzfj/u0rVWjMYQ +KLbki4Q1jv7xP3gcB0idBz66wd7Ns/70ScqA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:27:32 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: Scott Solmonson Cc: George Cochrane , "J.C." , sfraves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f985ebc6ff3046fdd2de7 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways --0016367f985ebc6ff3046fdd2de7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Scott Solmonson wrote: > On Jul 29, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Matt Stone wrote: > >> >> I don't see how developing for the iPhone is better in any way then doing >> Android or WebOS development. In fact, I'd argue the opposite. >> > > > My arguments would be 1) Android is too closely tied to Java, which while > providing consistency has some glaring deficiencies when it comes to trying > to do something "out of the box". What would those be? I don't see how a language can keep you from doing something "out of the box" > 2) WebOS... I think it's too early to comment on a dev platform that's only > a month old, but on an initial whiff it smells a bit weak- like Apple's > initial "Just use web technologies to make your iPhone apps, and Safari will > provide the interface, and we'll open up the hardware through JS libs"... > which sounded good on paper but really just does not work because of that > reliance on the interfaces being provided. Well, Apple never opened up the hardware through JS libs AFAIK. > Sure, both of these platforms could be broken and opened just like the > iPhone has, but it seems that nobody really cares because of the userbase > failure. Thus to me, for a normal, friendly, "inline with intentions" app > distributed through approved channels (Motionx GPS being my favorite > example), the iPhone is the preferred platform. And for a rogue app that > requires an unlocked phone and runs directly within the OS doing unapproved > activities, the iPhone is... also the preferred platform. > > > -- > Scott N Solmonson > 408.718.6290 > > --0016367f985ebc6ff3046fdd2de7-- From sfraves-return-151260-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 19:31:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95234 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 19:31:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95193 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 19:31:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248895922; bh=6yfWOBoX4JqiUu0F8fwqqHnQbkSJvJsfOSpxWsTu2SA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D4LkUdsTwkwD427Ud9yzYONwT+ohIToiLnOLNobmTRHIFEbiz5/YvTnJZgV7IBtcimEyA7xDSKPhgaWaSKYMg9JEXiRZHCbM5749IrP0VlEgSPv5JCgPGyTt+XjyZYBmU1J2PeICoJVFfNm4qN+gLvxOTGmyjd7IpGaOsPR+yno= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pJHaIJjpXZWQs7nTYkclVN+KqfJS4a35BmlxkdTrWa04p26bQul9KiqwK+scD6rWtvfdzwdg9BgR6hNtxki4Nd0h2LQatB8sB2gJ+57KpDmCB2c7NsynJd2iom4SX3xXDo4TW014+19DUajJSN9M79zFgzjnmt0y5pMBKhdfDAU=; Message-ID: <295111.7781.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OD1_eAsVM1kucbs0XZRGv2Hy2gQrJ1QV3wfy4Wc7l_skGnp3VIrumBP67JXbfKv51ObJii1TkoSp8HlnWjSPbFNg42boHXxQd8yXnttBO1JaYC7nwkddC39NXuW2PQ756T6u3wWS1HJwk6SnhQlHUNgm_op36Ta6O4olfPRfHs9VBhmrVmW0yL5VSun2rbR5TiYlSQy1Lfu9qFInoDYecSDSupqF2zM5_Ukr3ph4CTIDASADe3IiWkpjk6N9FLmqyznLBLtX.AFdWb4RW5hngw22l9kTqs7AnPRCJ5W5r76EPTlfdwkG4koPyMq7pQ0OHAaQBOXdshP31AP5vuIcfFcGYirKEw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Scott Solmonson , Matt Stone Cc: George Cochrane , "J.C." , sfraves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways Ah! A good ole fashioned sfraves technology thrash! Brings a tear to my eye... ;) Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Solmonson To: Matt Stone Cc: George Cochrane ; J.C. ; sfraves Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:08:08 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways On Jul 29, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Matt Stone wrote: > > I don't see how developing for the iPhone is better in any way then doing > Android or WebOS development. In fact, I'd argue the opposite. My arguments would be 1) Android is too closely tied to Java, which while providing consistency has some glaring deficiencies when it comes to trying to do something "out of the box". 2) WebOS... I think it's too early to comment on a dev platform that's only a month old, but on an initial whiff it smells a bit weak- like Apple's initial "Just use web technologies to make your iPhone apps, and Safari will provide the interface, and we'll open up the hardware through JS libs"... which sounded good on paper but really just does not work because of that reliance on the interfaces being provided. Sure, both of these platforms could be broken and opened just like the iPhone has, but it seems that nobody really cares because of the userbase failure. Thus to me, for a normal, friendly, "inline with intentions" app distributed through approved channels (Motionx GPS being my favorite example), the iPhone is the preferred platform. And for a rogue app that requires an unlocked phone and runs directly within the OS doing unapproved activities, the iPhone is... also the preferred platform. -- Scott N Solmonson 408.718.6290 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151261-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 19:37:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5446 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 19:37:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5424 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 19:37:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=4Q8udGhlJww4O81sFci5Dj6WFNqJUvNfGYer19cqH9E=; b=f0KyhqX0ztODgxOTwOEnND2oH+7KVaiAKKqdc0ws81RsNNt2vKjEEws8yHep88h5sC QnF/qqEmds9xPDNyGb8k0F6OmOwwHRkO+WjghbRKv9iNFqsZAcbMGO08gOLfdm/8ajFm jlnSP/k+94oX+EnkQDL+9CqLojBXJ4VseBuWI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=wO9W5ncJVgC4S3TbgTNMV+AW1z3i8femDbJP0ZO8wRxJHKdM2jN6bgliZkNTy2wbND sAAug2zt8Egu7Da93DRC772L36eTFl+9iyD3WhrwkcYZ5sj86LdGQ8aIbPjXyI5K29g5 nLwYXDRCaRNKWTf1aOBcNY9+Jr9RS3PuFA464= Sender: Scott Solmonson Cc: George Cochrane , "J.C." , sfraves Message-Id: <2C0DED92-25E4-4A63-8FA9-F63A308FA2B6@scosol.org> From: Scott Solmonson To: Matt Stone In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:37:31 -0700 References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways On Jul 29, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Matt Stone wrote: >> On Jul 29, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Matt Stone wrote: > > What would those be? I don't see how a language can keep you from > doing > something "out of the box" > On Android, Java is not just a language, it's a platform and an environment and if you want to break out of it you're pretty SOL unless you've got a few months of hacker time in you. > >> 2) WebOS... I think it's too early to comment on a dev platform >> that's only >> a month old, but on an initial whiff it smells a bit weak- like >> Apple's >> initial "Just use web technologies to make your iPhone apps, and >> Safari will >> provide the interface, and we'll open up the hardware through JS >> libs"... >> which sounded good on paper but really just does not work because >> of that >> reliance on the interfaces being provided. > > > Well, Apple never opened up the hardware through JS libs AFAIK. Even then, with the reliance upon focus and execution in some kind of sandboxed browser environment, it was clear to systems-level programmers that this was not going to work. Wait what? I can't do network IO or access the GPS when my app is not in focus? Are you fucking joking me? Even if the interfaces are provided, without the ability to create daemons within the browser it's pointless, and if that ability is granted it opens up 3 very large cases of cans of worms. -- Scott N Solmonson 408.718.6290 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151262-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 20:17:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76548 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 20:17:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76530 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 20:17:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=aMv3JaUY1av6assKYdWEMVQWwITA8c9NyTgy5tykjiA=; b=eviuKpt3huP+1vCja4XWFMDhj/5aZjNAzJDDHC0HUdkooMAEq1Ta2OLDtNc7BH9qae Fjith2WHdi6rQHkXlazvNSvduDLQSuZuXjqHqix8Sdla6xp7KlIlrepfBa9y2U7h5SAP 6zzCjIC2GAxdv7yXeYA1h4ZO2lSFYRMY3Q4Ns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Cm3G/KLWBC1VrpI9xp6jGmfDgDNDUXTA0FY7jNtz7kHkwP4hbPziEqfwTblaHn4Srd dPfjnN9PzyT8WX2PU+Zp1RRVqYrj5NomPOr9M412dBjWJIH8Wiq9YOE11efMJZGGoeaI EQg3tR/oevZqsKSF8R1bCFbQml0/vX25OMXi0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2C0DED92-25E4-4A63-8FA9-F63A308FA2B6@scosol.org> References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <2C0DED92-25E4-4A63-8FA9-F63A308FA2B6@scosol.org> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:18:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: Scott Solmonson Cc: George Cochrane , "J.C." , sfraves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163642719e9b08b2046fdde310 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways --00163642719e9b08b2046fdde310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Scott Solmonson wrote: > On Jul 29, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Matt Stone wrote: > > On Jul 29, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Matt Stone wrote: >>> >> >> What would those be? I don't see how a language can keep you from doing >> something "out of the box" >> >> > On Android, Java is not just a language, it's a platform and an environment > and if you want to break out of it you're pretty SOL unless you've got a few > months of hacker time in you. > Er. On Android, its actually Dalvik, not Java (hth). The SDK would be the platform, and the "environment"... what exactly do you mean by environment. You can write low level assembly for android but just like with the iPhone you can't get it into the marketplace. However, unlike the iPhone, you can download an .apk from anywhere and install it (as long as it doesn't require root access to your phone), WITHOUT modding or 'unlocking' your phone. > > > >> 2) WebOS... I think it's too early to comment on a dev platform that's >>> only >>> a month old, but on an initial whiff it smells a bit weak- like Apple's >>> initial "Just use web technologies to make your iPhone apps, and Safari >>> will >>> provide the interface, and we'll open up the hardware through JS libs"... >>> which sounded good on paper but really just does not work because of that >>> reliance on the interfaces being provided. >>> >> >> >> Well, Apple never opened up the hardware through JS libs AFAIK. >> > > > Even then, with the reliance upon focus and execution in some kind of > sandboxed browser environment, it was clear to systems-level programmers > that this was not going to work. > Wait what? I can't do network IO or access the GPS when my app is not in > focus? Are you fucking joking me? > Even if the interfaces are provided, without the ability to create daemons > within the browser it's pointless, and if that ability is granted it opens > up 3 very large cases of cans of worms. > > > -- > Scott N Solmonson > 408.718.6290 > > --00163642719e9b08b2046fdde310-- From sfraves-return-151263-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 20:32:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2600 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 20:32:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2577 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 20:32:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=xocCwrgsUwynCHNqxtn8/TwLp36Ye/M5NWdcJEWmw6I=; b=GReObTy0XiK+w+eVa9NufBuIypDvKYjtePDPCgPPxTiS3aTlw9lk3hU1KXnrj1qoUI EIUmHdM9d+0YZBLHSxfIovh9yY5gDYufCP9RxANL8zIDUJRxtOpw9StFGQznyVRyQOE6 NtQXS7NkzhjhOJ1e58Z2p8hjaGPxd/2RhvN0s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=rvgI6O63dr+I54mkdVyY3XtIDvaXWFAsC9wYzNiqOExgvjoiP9lcDKxs5vznjiMX0o g7GiziEA5fpPw6GQH4wpLohWV57mcyYUh0RE+pesWj+lun42tL8P78lQE4mDeGov3t9H O/B/HPF8grWTLxRB9cmqB3vHvxk5LZNy/GWN4= Sender: Scott Solmonson Cc: George Cochrane , "J.C." , sfraves Message-Id: <489FB597-23DE-43A1-8AC6-67A62F2C6FCC@scosol.org> From: Scott Solmonson To: Matt Stone In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:32:15 -0700 References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <2C0DED92-25E4-4A63-8FA9-F63A308FA2B6@scosol.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways On Jul 29, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Matt Stone wrote: > Er. On Android, its actually Dalvik, not Java (hth). The SDK would > be the > platform, and the "environment"... what exactly do you mean by > environment. > You can write low level assembly for android but just like with the > iPhone > you can't get it into the marketplace. However, unlike the iPhone, > you can > download an .apk from anywhere and install it (as long as it doesn't > require > root access to your phone), WITHOUT modding or 'unlocking' your phone. Both these points are meaningless in the real world- Dalvik, CLDC, MIDP, whatever the marketing dept decided to call it it's still just the same limited Java subset of functionality which you're locked in to and reliant upon a 3rd party to expand. Re extended apps, I know of no maintained APK repository at all that provides even the baseline set of UN*X tools you would typically want when you start thinking of it less as a phone and more as a system that's also a phone, whereas for the iPhone (Apple be damned) there's an extremely complete repository that's actively maintained and uses the Debian packaging toolset that has been vetted for the past 15 years: http://cydia.saurik.com/ WebOS is more like what I hoped Android would look like, a standard Linux platform instead of a Java suckfest, but again it's too soon for me to really measure it- -- Scott N Solmonson 408.718.6290 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-151264-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 20:35:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10289 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 20:35:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10269 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 20:35:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <489FB597-23DE-43A1-8AC6-67A62F2C6FCC@scosol.org> References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <2C0DED92-25E4-4A63-8FA9-F63A308FA2B6@scosol.org> <489FB597-23DE-43A1-8AC6-67A62F2C6FCC@scosol.org> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:36:25 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0907291336k754e2dd7pecd6114eb543efd7@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: Scott Solmonson Cc: Matt Stone , George Cochrane , "J.C." , sfraves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd16e601253c4046fde24d6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways --000e0cd16e601253c4046fde24d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright, you guys have convinced me, I'll go back to Symbian already. :P (Actually that new Samsung is HOT... if I had 800 to spare I might do it even with wrong bands in the US...) -R. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Scott Solmonson wrote: > On Jul 29, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Matt Stone wrote: > > Er. On Android, its actually Dalvik, not Java (hth). The SDK would be >> the >> platform, and the "environment"... what exactly do you mean by >> environment. >> You can write low level assembly for android but just like with the iPhone >> you can't get it into the marketplace. However, unlike the iPhone, you >> can >> download an .apk from anywhere and install it (as long as it doesn't >> require >> root access to your phone), WITHOUT modding or 'unlocking' your phone. >> > > > Both these points are meaningless in the real world- Dalvik, CLDC, MIDP, > whatever the marketing dept decided to call it it's still just the same > limited Java subset of functionality which you're locked in to and reliant > upon a 3rd party to expand. > > Re extended apps, I know of no maintained APK repository at all that > provides even the baseline set of UN*X tools you would typically want when > you start thinking of it less as a phone and more as a system that's also a > phone, whereas for the iPhone (Apple be damned) there's an extremely > complete repository that's actively maintained and uses the Debian packaging > toolset that has been vetted for the past 15 years: > http://cydia.saurik.com/ > > WebOS is more like what I hoped Android would look like, a standard Linux > platform instead of a Java suckfest, but again it's too soon for me to > really measure it- > > -- > Scott N Solmonson > 408.718.6290 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --000e0cd16e601253c4046fde24d6-- From sfraves-return-151265-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 29 20:51:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34780 invoked by uid 1103); 29 Jul 2009 20:51:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34749 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2009 20:51:40 -0000 Cc: Matt Stone , "J.C." , sfraves Message-Id: From: Jas Strong To: George Cochrane In-Reply-To: <218627.70776.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-10587703 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:52:07 -0700 References: <924213.1181.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <218627.70776.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apple/ATT exposing their monopolistic ways --Apple-Mail-5-10587703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 29 Jul 2009, at 11:41, George Cochrane wrote: > > In an altruistic, let's-push-things-forward way, yes, developing for > other platforms is a great idea, but for sheer sales? There just > isn't the customer base, or the infrastructure. Nokia has sold hundreds of millions of SymbianOS smartphones. -J. --Apple-Mail-5-10587703-- From sfraves-return-151266-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 30 01:45:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39243 invoked by uid 1103); 30 Jul 2009 01:45:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39216 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2009 01:45:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=SNctcHGYNi+BGAtrqfQPYByCkh4+ygersPick+9pbYc=; b=UAWS7TYTWjaTOWSDrl2u4XdMLo3tU+JTiYOBorPw/X6hne1KQ3HNINDISx95vcoDrL aMCwrPrOvskeVd9DeLTYEh5vjezV5ZwqdycGTdlKHZTSxHKKmcKvFdYhXKKauaMAJACy WErPoJS8Hu3a1ld7dchT+e8xHXvwCzklHPx9k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=iKYUcAi7KtuKxgPitCxV+mJMOps4c6IQJNst/PMdfCjze/TQIep9i6XWYVDqIgPl8Q ZpHPGMnnl0CbjLkgEDSb4qmp+UHE+E+/3K6dMU9Gg4jp591dziu+kuhvNPpuWL/CByig d6f0aRkqDJjWizakF32p04SVbBW0+4KKa1S9Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:45:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1c60b9300907291845q39f89da1j5e25af6776220085@mail.gmail.com> From: Greg Bird To: SFRaves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4033278c233046fe2768a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp: Saturday! [KONTROL] presents The New Sound of Detroit - Part 2 --000e0cd4033278c233046fe2768a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saturday, August 1st, 2009 [ K O N T R O L ] minimal techno + avant house every 1st Saturday at The Endup Celebrating our 50th monthly event with: THE NEW SOUND OF DETROIT - PART 2 featuring: MIKE HUCKABY (Deep Transportation . S Y N T H . Desolat . ~scape :: Detroit) SHAUN REEVES (Raum...Musik . Wolf + Lamb . Safari Electronique :: Berlin/Detroit) LUKE HESS - LIVE! (Beretta Grey . FXHE . Echocord . Kontra-Musik :: Detroit) and [KONTROL] residents: NIKOLA BAYTALA (S.W.A.T. . Robsoul . Junior Boys Own) SAMMY D (Classic . Dirtybird . Magnificent 7) ALLAND BYALLO (Nightlight . Auralism . Leibe*Detail) CRAIG KUNA (Platform . ESDJCO) ____________________________________________________ The ENDUP 401 6th St @ Harrison, SF 10pm - 6am / 21+ / $15 after http://www.theendup.com FREE before 11pm! ____________________________________________________ [KONTROL] on MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kontrolsf Flyer front: http://www.kontrolsf.com/K50/K50F.jpg Flyer back: http://www.kontrolsf.com/K50/K50B.jpg Poster: http://www.kontrolsf.com/K50/K50P.jpg __________________________________________________________ MIKE HUCKABY Mike Huckaby has become the busiest remixer from Detroit in the past few years. He's also been producing music on his 2 labels Deep Transportation, and S Y N T H, which are well known amongst underground DJs worldwide. With highly acclaimed deep house productions and remixes for Deepchord, Juan Atkins, Vladislav Delay, Pole, Loco Dice, and Pacou to name just a few, Mik= e sees no end in the near future. As a DJ, Mike Huckaby has been touring and playing extensively through out Europe and the rest of the world in recent years, playing at the finest clubs in the world, while bringing the Detroit sound of deep electronic music with him. Mike Huckaby knows the balance between house and techno like no other. Promoters know that they can put Mike Huckaby in any room! In his spare time, Mike teaches aspiring young musicians how to use electronic music production software such as Reaktor and Ableton at Youthville In Detroit. The "Detroit Metro Times" had this to say about him: Mike Huckaby is a dance music purist extraordinaire. He=92s the kind who kn= ows all the roots and culture of electronic dance music, who sees beyond the hype and divisions in the scene and knows exactly what this music is, the kind of purist whose love for music has literally had him flown around the globe. For years Huckaby has been consistently supplying the Detroit community wit= h quality dance music from around the world in a variety of styles, emphasizing what=92s best about each with a range from Kerri Chandler to Ba= sic Channel. Though synonymous with the Record Time Dance Room, he has done far more than give blank stares to people asking for the =93Chuck Chuck=94 reco= rd (one of the burdens of working at a record store is having its clientele sing you instrumental songs to identify a record: please bring in tapes) an= d point new DJs to quality records. He=92s produced quality house and techno = for noted local labels Harmony Park and Definitive as well as overseas labels such as Ferox and Cross Section =97 and his lifelong DJ career has taken hi= m from the Music Institute to as far away as Germany and Japan. What people often don=92t know about Huckaby is that behind the neutral fac= e there=92s an agenda going on. This could be hard to tell from a man whose mission is to "just push the music and leave everything else behind." Huck= =92s main issue is that he has "hated to see house and techno so divided," urgin= g people to see "the similarities rather than the differences." Any true fan of dance music sees beyond the boundaries and just finds quality music. Huc= k has always done just that, being one the most consistent people ever in the Detroit scene. You can always expect quality from this man. =3D=3D=3D> LINKS: MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/mikehuckaby Discography: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Mike%20Huckaby =3D=3D=3D> AUDIO: Mike Huckaby - Live @ House-n-Home, Brooklyn 02.20.09 http://www.kontrolsf.com/K50/mike_huckaby_bunker_podcast_2009.mp3 =3D=3D=3D> VIDEO: Mike Huckaby talks about his influences, teaching Reaktor, etc.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXDpHilO74h8 Mike Huckaby - Live @ Platform, SF 01.19.08: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-kGqGTRhhc4 __________________________________________________________ SHAUN REEVES A Detroit native whose move to Berlin was ahead of its time, for the last four years Shaun Reeves has been enthralling European audiences with his ow= n highly distinctive mixture of American house, both classic and contemporary= , and the deepest, most cutting edge aspects of minimal techno and tech-house= . In addition to playing in Berlin=92s celebrated Panorama Bar, Watergate, Ar= ena Club, and the legendary Beatstreet loft parties, he has appeared in Robert Johnson (Frankfurt), T-Bar (London), Wolf + Lamb (NYC), Bunker (NYC), End U= p (San Francisco), Cocoliche (Buenos Aires), La Sala (Bogota), Harry Klein (Munich), and many other clubs and parties in Europe, North and South America. While searching deep in the back catalogue of house and techno for forgotte= n tracks that sound decidedly fresh and exciting, Shaun remains committed to pushing all genres of dance music forward. His is music not just for the dance floor, but also for the body, soul=85and brain. As the recent resurge= nce of interest in the border between house and techno makes all too clear, Shaun has always been one to set musical trends rather than follow them. Best known for his collaborative work as Uli Kunkel and with Miss Fitz, Shaun has recently been working with fellow Detroit-native Seth Troxler, a collaboration that will appear on Raum, as well as with Argentina=92s Dilo. Recently he has begun to produce on his own, crafting elegant house music that has learned from the best aspects of minimal, but bringing back an element of emotional depth often lacking from that genre. And as friends an= d family know, Shaun=92s re-edits are highly sought after by Djs and music lovers, often stripping the music to its barest elements but in the process bringing out a depth and complexity lacking in the original. =3D=3D=3D> LINKS: MySpace (with music samples): http://www.myspace.com/shaun_reeves Discography: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Shaun%20Reeves Recent interview for Rhythmism: http://www.rhythmism.com/features/qa_with_shaun_reeves__immerse_05_presents= _ps1_afterhours =3D=3D=3D> AUDIO: Shaun Reeves - Wolf + Lamb November 2008 DJ mix: http://www.kontrolsf.com/K50/shaun_reeves_wolf_and_lamb_mix_2008.mp3 =3D=3D=3D> VIDEO: Shaun Reeves - Live @ Movement (DEMF) 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtzFhgTk-gI0 Shaun Reeves @ Bacco, San Juan - May, 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyMBGrwABbE4 ___________________________________________________ LUKE HESS Born in 1980 and raised in the Detroit area, Luke Hess has harnessed a deep appreciation for electronic music and the expression of the underground movement. His background in mathematics and engineering has given him a scientific approach to the dance floor, using frequencies, tones, and soundscapes to transform surroundings and mood. His faith based music production has landed him a seat with FXHE and Berett= a Music in Detroit. His debut album was released in early May 2009 by Denmar= k based label Echocord, which features remixes by Mikkel Metal, CV313, and Marko Furstenberg. His solo work on FXHE includes Dubout EP #1 which was charted in 2007 on Groove magazines top 50 releases of the year. His music is getting played and charted by many artists including Marcel Dettmann, Falko Brockseiper, MIA, Lawrence, and Luciano. His work on Beretta Grey was also featured in a Mix on the Renaissance label mixed by Steve Lawler. Luke has recently been picked up by a Swedish based techno label as well, Kontra-Musik, with his release =93Believe and Receive=94, which landed him = an interview on Sweden=92s Groove Magazine in 2008. With 8 years of DJ experience, he is regarded as a perfectionist in his Liv= e sets and behind the decks layering his tracks in a very detailed and hypnotic manner. Luke has played at notable venues and events such as Culture Box (Copenhagen), Panorama Bar (Berlin), Detroit Electronic Music Festival (Detroit), Fabric (London), and The Bunker (NYC). He has notable mixes online and in 2003 recorded a promotional mix CD release for UR/Submerge. Luke=92s continued hard work behind the decks and in the stud= io combined with his unyielding interest in technology and sound will no doubt stimulate the boundaries of electronic music. =3D=3D=3D> LINKS: MySpace: (w/ music samples) http://www.myspace.com/hesslabs Discography: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Luke+Hess Recent interview for teshno.com: http://www.teshno.com/2009/07/luke-hess-interview.html =3D=3D=3D> AUDIO: Luke Hess - Summer Mix 2009 (DJ mix): http://www.kontrolsf.com/K50/luke_hess_summer_mix_2009.mp3 =3D=3D=3D> VIDEO: Luke Hess - Live PA @ Movement (DEMF) 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBT3wez06i0Y ___________________________________________________ http://www.kontrolsf.com --000e0cd4033278c233046fe2768a-- From sfraves-return-151267-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 30 16:45:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81398 invoked by uid 1103); 30 Jul 2009 16:45:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81374 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2009 16:45:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:45:36 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Sets from Lick The DJ and Chuck G on An Epiphany Of Sound RIGHT NOW Hey folks, I'm really happy to be bringing you a couple of different sets from a couple of really great DJs this morning; Lick The DJ and ChuckG. I'm already about half way through Lick The DJs set, so tune in quick!! They both should be joining me for an amazing evening of music aboard a certain art car on the Playa at Burning Man this year. (I'll be bringing you more details about that when everything gets solidified, so stay tuned for that.) So hurry on up and listen in to 90.1 FM in the bay area or online at http://kzsulive.stanford.edu I'll be talking to you! Peace. http://www.joketribe.com http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) 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