From sfraves-return-150803-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 02 20:42:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94467 invoked by uid 1103); 2 May 2009 03:07:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73317 invoked from network); 2 May 2009 01:54:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Gi/aaj7x+aiMaYvoqDGNi9sMfb3JHAoI9mEflkYg6u8=; b=xqAK+DsliAt5VA0GV0HW/wJ2Fi5lUTxKDJBouPInS6Pf8EMXAAyEykW8FzC11Uyoik vUOfGZULrXGtjROir64hlc+4b+f0y+rfD7+FwQ1YZOa+Jw901SHY70wUSBH3hfOadIRc jsLFlEKzq5ru3jwzcdhOEAXHFR327cIem6lr8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Uz4mHq2W3Fzc5Xxl5mZNnDw88emGSuEgPCywUKiA95msnBTBoWm8njgrnKriXk+w11 +es3p54/vaGnZ+2FUP3JYkrR5QD359XJnhUYSHH7o01rJ3/28iVmLcUVaHQPAoV6o8bJ h+13wXkxUDzvT1um+wq8ZGkbLfiiqyGTI6Aqw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:55:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1c60b9300905011855o73502b85u9e7486d297a46d3f@mail.gmail.com> From: Greg Bird To: SFRaves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f1230b96da30468e43808 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp: Saturday! [KONTROL] w/ Stewart Walker LIVE, Dario Zenker, & Andre Lucero! --001e680f1230b96da30468e43808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saturday, May 2nd, 2009 [ K O N T R O L ] minimal techno + avant house every 1st Saturday at The Endup featuring from Berlin: STEWART WALKER - LIVE (Persona . Force Inc . Tresor . M-nus) Stewart Walker first gained international prominence in the late '90s with a series of classic releases on Force Inc., Tresor, Mille Plateau and M-nus which proved to be highly influential in the development of minimal techno. A decade later he's still at the top of his craft, touring the globe with his infectious, emotive live techno stylings and releasing quality music on his own Persona imprint. Stewart's said he's got a special set in store for [KONTROL], and we couldn't be more excited or honored to host this iconic figure in his Endup debut. and from Munich: DARIO ZENKER (Vakant . Harry Klein . Num . Telegraph) (Esperanza . Soma . Mo's Ferry) Raised on Michael Jackson and underground hip-hop, Dario Zenker picked up DJing at age 15, and within a few years landed a residency at Munich's famed Harry Klein club that he still holds today. In addition to his ace productions on several top labels, he is known for his dynamic sets of freaky, organic, house-driven minimal techno that always keep the crowd guessing and the dancefloor bouncing. with special guests: DIMA (Platform . TeknoKitchen) ANDRE LUCERO (Fiction . Urban Development) and [KONTROL] residents: NIKOLA BAYTALA (S.W.A.T. . Robsoul . Junior Boys Own) CRAIG KUNA (Platform . ESDJCO) ALLAND BYALLO (Nightlight . Auralism . Leibe*Detail) ____________________________________________________ The ENDUP 401 6th St @ Harrison, SF 10pm - 6am / 21+ / $15 after http://www.theendup.com FREE before 11pm! ____________________________________________________ [KONTROL] on MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kontrolsf Flyer front: http://www.kontrolsf.com/K47/K47F.jpg Flyer back: http://www.kontrolsf.com/K47/K47B.jpg Poster: http://www.kontrolsf.com/K47/K47P.jpg ___________________________________________________ STEWART WALKER Berlin-based Stewart Walker is a restless innovator. After making a splash in the late nineties on definitive labels like Force Inc. and Tresor, he=92= s had an inestimable impact on the development of current club sounds, yet consistently chooses the less traveled road: working as live producer in a world of DJs; injecting emotion into functional electronic dance music; quietly building a label family of unclassifiable artists on his own imprint, Persona. After selling his guitar in 1993, Walker began assembling a synth-based hardware studio while in university in Athens, GA. Inspired by Jeff Mills= =92 Live at the Liquid Room he became obsessed with rhythm. A string of recordings appeared on Matrix Records in Detroit =96 including the 1997 sin= gle Amphetamine Sulphate =96 and later on Deepfried (Grand Rapids, MI) and Tekt= ite (Austin, TX). A year later, his first European release Artificial Music for Artificial People was picked up by Cristian Vogel's British imprint, Mosquito, and Walker hit the live circuit. Armed with only an AKAI MPC2000 sampler and a DJ mixer, he did what a DJ never could: move a club crowd wit= h sounds shaped by his own hands. This original approach was welcomed across Europe and in Japan as well as his native US. 1999 saw Walker=92s debut on Berlin=92s Tresor Records with Nothing Produce= s Stark Imagery, followed up by the now-classic minimalist experiment, Stabiles, on Mille Plateaux. These productions proved to be seminal in the development of minimal techno. Walker continued to release on labels such as Minus and Force Inc. until, i= n 2001, he set up his own imprint, Persona Records. Persona released eleven records in the US culminating in the second landmark album of Walker=92s career to date: Live Extracts (2003). Live Extracts captured the sound and atmospherics of Walker=92s in-club performances and was soon licensed by Tresor. Persona restarted in 2005, this time in Berlin. Now based in Europe= , Walker performed in every capital and made incursions as far afield as Australia and Russia. Soon after, he released the downtempo album Grounded in Existence and a breakbeaty techno EP, Travel Plaza. These releases showcased Walker=92s increasing attention to nuance, dynamics, and melody. Concentricity, Walker=92s fourth full-length, was released in 2007. =3D=3D=3D> LINKS: MySpace (with music samples): www.myspace.com/stewartwalker Website: http://personarecords.com/stewart-walker Discography: http://www.discogs.com/artist/stewart%20walker =3D=3D=3D> AUDIO: Stewart Walker - Live in Montreal, 2008: http://www.personarecords.com/liveshows/StewartWalker_Fricoti_2008.mp3 Stewart Walker - Live @ DEMF, 2002: http://www.personarecords.com/liveshows/StewartWalker_DEMF2002.mp3 Preview Stewart Walker tracks on BeatPort: https://www.beatport.com/ja-JP/html/content/artist/detail/5904/stewart_walk= er =3D=3D=3D> VIDEO: Stewart Walker - Live @ Break & Enter, 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dyg4tLmal-wc Stewart Walker - Live @ Space:Garage, 2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dap_ZfgRTg6o __________________________________________________________________ DARIO ZENKER Just in time, the =91Free State=92 of Bavaria has produced a new son to rel= ight its techno torch. Munich born and raised Dario Zenker is writing his own chapter in the long story of electronic music from Germany=92s dirty south.= It all started with listening to Michael Jackson as a kid, then Dario moved on to underground hip hop to rile the neighbors.Several visits from the not-so-friendly neighborhood police later, Dario=92s father, a pro audio engineer, introduced the wunderkind to music programming and imparted the tools which later consumed him. At 15 Dario started to DJ, and not too long after he received his club education from the legendary Ultraschall.In 2005 at the ripe old age of 21, Dario landed his residency at Harry Klein which he still maintains today.2006 saw his debut vinyl release and in the space following Dario managed to sprinkle his magic chuga chuga dust on some of the world=92s finest minimal techno labels.Whether DJ-ing or playing live, = in just a few years Dario has built up a reputation for freaky experimental sets which never seem to stay in the same place for too long. Constantly innovating Dario has never been content walking a straight line with the crowd. To attempt to put it into words:bomb, duck, cover, swerve, bomb, swerve, bomb bomb.In 2008 =91the=92 youngin became =91our=92 youngin joinin= g the hallowed ranks of the Vakant crew with Dario=92s split personality =91Sam U= nd Er/Womde!=92 EP (VA019). Dario=92s thick kink finds a natural home here on = the Vakant deep freak out bus bumping and bouncing the club kids wherever they need to go. Liberalitas Bavarica! =3D=3D=3D> LINKS: MySpace (with music samples): http://www.myspace.com/dariozenker Discography: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Dario%20Zenker =3D=3D=3D> AUDIO: Dario Zenker - Live @ Harry Klein, Munich 03.20.09: http://www.kontrolsf.com/K47/Dario_Zenker_@_Harry_Klein_03.20.09.mp3 Preview Dario Zenker tracks on BeatPort: https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/artist/detail/22682/dario_zenke= r =3D=3D=3D> VIDEO: Dario Zenker - Live @ Harry Klein, Munich 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D888AZ4RUZNg ___________________________________________________ ANDRE LUCERO A veteran of West Coast underground electronic music culture, Andr=E9 Lucer= o continues to reinvent himself. From breakdancing in the early 80's to his present studio efforts, he always kept his focus on beats and sounds of genres to come. Starting with the earliest electro hip-hop, passing throug= h time and space to the present and future of electronic music, his selection= s are open minded but always have a dancefloor sensibility. Not being satisfied with spoon feeding or accepting convenience, Andr=E9 ha= s chosen the paths less traveled. Helping foster the rave scene in Santa Barbara; playing at the first mega-rave in the US (Raveamerica); releasing one of the first (if not THE first) underground electronic dance music mixe= d CD's (Fusion, Volume 1); his involvement with the seminal San Francisco techhouse event/DJ crew, Urban Development; to playing with international legends for Space Children, he has been recognized for decades as a stand alone talent who brings something special to the lineup. Sharing the decks with some of the heaviest hitters on the planet, he understands how to rock a crowd as well as to tell a story. No two sets from Andr=E9 are alike. E= ach moment drives the relevance of the music selection. Each moment is unique. The sound: warm, spacey, funky, soulful techno. Having recently relocated to Ohio, we are happy to welcome Andre back for a much anticipated second perfomance at [KONTROL].. =3D=3D=3D> LINKS: MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/djandrelucero =3D=3D=3D> MUSIC: Andre Lucero - DJ Promo Mix 2008.1 http://lucerodesign.com/mixes/listen/2008.1.mp3 ___________________________________________________ http://www.kontrolsf.com --001e680f1230b96da30468e43808-- From sfraves-return-150804-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 03 17:10:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96590 invoked by uid 1103); 3 May 2009 17:10:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96566 invoked from network); 3 May 2009 17:10:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1241370680; bh=vVv6hou04ULwbvOuLmm4jMBDCrc1/HFeI2AdLdidH8I=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mgOnnXsMmM+oKjvVcCWsYDtWNoGU1PnyDivBBgCl1ZlMde0tIBwMqYfm+lchKFgqmxlogK/FF/gXXkTih/mEkArAndY4KEbxfWWMrsPckK26fYiK1iEc9rAm949alOzd+HQQU6Nnzf+vOA68ee7OkKM7X58Wtvp5QCHrEqNUjK8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TuG0BcLuZswuc7Rla7B58eR/75Ng4UC7HLEhf7QB6ubTR1COijC71PHLuYhU8zMKVMMww6jjGeMQ9Fp/W2Area3Ch4REAy1MyBTKDUkiIciCtrprfspn4ymSwdoKvkx9kgz8lZaC92/y2iT/ZreFE5zd3vGpBUpNUDjKjMYdCCI=; Message-ID: <489627.32487.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fMDCRMoVM1kQIRQOeLK3uGz7k506NrAjMYAX5276WQYrGvEzL27qgn7.X83OBfIYrYJkKPOnkZqZMP6js5A3c6FzY9P_LE6CsZpB9IPSna4LcoH2XXqKNDawgINaHbfSQWcXpngAvtPGfjZRV.RdmPmcc9tV03PA64qJChZPvCcWIPA0qJ5WeVWaSyM0mDovWTgZRaCu9e5v4UTgrhRLUnUjlG7hxmpUUkOWlH_oLUi3.bOYpI9FkgyDwiCtxLs_7DWF_QkFG50Hs4azLLvucrijN_yOVlOB7yXdC5YjXuC6E.z9TDEoovihw14- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin James To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-251175343-1241370680=:32487" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] New Deep House Mix --0-251175343-1241370680=:32487 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its been a while since I posted a new mix, so here ya go.This was recorded = yesterday during my Faderwave Radio show. Starts out deep but funky, moves = into so deep jazzy house, then gets a little soulfull, and finishes with so= me mid 90's funky house classics.=0A=0AIts the very top mix on my page. =0A= =0Ahttp://house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James=0A=0AComments and feedback al= ways welcome. Enjoy!=0AKj=0A=0A=A0Dowload my latest mixes here:=0Awww.music= v2.com/artist/dj_kevin_james=0ANew mix added 5/2/09 =0A=0A=0AWatch me spin = live here Saturdays 3-5PM PST 6-8 EST=0Awww.stickam.com/faderwaveradio=0A= =0A=0ABaba Booey!!! =0A=0A=0A --0-251175343-1241370680=:32487-- From sfraves-return-150805-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 03 19:12:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39657 invoked by uid 1103); 3 May 2009 19:12:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39637 invoked from network); 3 May 2009 19:12:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1241377985; bh=RgBXEjDWTXgZocax0REOyq5er3GPjrIBrUE+jdo7p/c=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GudK7Z6Kzpt86Er9FQze4+zizBUsrb4tDfa3F7RKQD5YE3l+jL7u9KNv7BxRhYx9NPCLNr7yLBChKWU+FpX8LLuFbnra/UzyP1HWquCR0uLhITZbQbPCoND4OUIhmJK+MFmOxaRDskUkF2bSQs/J6TTwXJcQyNAa1yZUEEosg6Q= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=acb4ofLIseASLvAv2MOQ4KNCsmrhYunPZTcfehmdOtI0RM/wHuUuxaO2maPyNVdaZxO2B129EhMxdBMlm+Kx/YTBpXa1Y4iAcIFRvsjDnyQ3XsAu+8t87R5pshGpgGLtOuZCx5E9BXchf/+2gFSkWIUs/UG1Zjdn6VEKsCaN5XY=; Message-ID: <310784.51605.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pf8P3EwVM1l4Qci33twzfeCCKBHKxENhjv1AqDmExvRGbxXv_Joo7fajJnR82YrQB8iPw1w5yj5kPaY0gWt3RClByjGiJB3r.vqY7cEj3kgWDvTyiyT20eLZzIhBmdLvsw6GqHATxQICCITKtocj_OejiXHeoWC7DpIgKVdM3lhVx8nRY_VydjX891Xhm8roVJnCnpgLDW8KtX8SxaLJ7OMvHhUXrRV7gC9gvkK3dppkdu1FodmWo4OvRclKWeIKgGcBdabm43nvyA_9DUqiowGeQpw5d1bMzALeP7p1QZkIJr5DfiNlvv93x7ftPYQiPOp10kToBy6FQ_ERrywYfBE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 12:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, Kevin James MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-908402424-1241377985=:51605" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Deep House Mix --0-908402424-1241377985=:51605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks kevin for your awesome mix..it's really appreciated..helped me get m= y day started..actually got some unpacking done.. and saved my soul from an= emotional distress overload... this morning a dj saved my life..=20 love it!!!!! hugs -adriana --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Kevin James wrote: From: Kevin James Subject: [sfraves] New Deep House Mix To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:11 AM Its been a while since I posted a new mix, so here ya go.This was recorded = yesterday during my Faderwave Radio show. Starts out deep but funky, moves = into so deep jazzy house, then gets a little soulfull, and finishes with so= me mid 90's funky house classics. Its the very top mix on my page.=20 http://house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James Comments and feedback always welcome. Enjoy! Kj =A0Dowload my latest mixes here: www.musicv2.com/artist/dj_kevin_james New mix added 5/2/09=20 Watch me spin live here Saturdays 3-5PM PST 6-8 EST www.stickam.com/faderwaveradio Baba Booey!!!=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 =0A=0A=0A --0-908402424-1241377985=:51605-- From sfraves-return-150806-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 04 01:20:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42578 invoked by uid 1103); 4 May 2009 01:20:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42559 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 01:20:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:Subject:From:To:CC:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; 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X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] from cali to texas --0-195720065-1241400143=:15013 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what part of texas??? i have friends in the breaks scene out in txs... -adriana --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Chris H wrote: From: Chris H Subject: [sfraves] from cali to texas To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 6:20 PM hey everybody. i left cali a little while ago and moved to texas. anyone know if texas has a scene? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-195720065-1241400143=:15013-- From sfraves-return-150808-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 04 07:05:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87420 invoked by uid 1103); 4 May 2009 07:05:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by 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sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92700 invoked by uid 1103); 5 May 2009 01:16:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92677 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 01:16:35 -0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_52e6d9eb-b28b-41be-9035-3be20771ed93_" X-Originating-IP: [173.8.189.117] From: Eric Cunanan To: Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:16:59 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2009 01:16:58.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FFBA130:01C9CD1F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] What's up with the Scene up in Washington?? --_52e6d9eb-b28b-41be-9035-3be20771ed93_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hear it's the largest scene this side of the Mississippi. Anyone know wh= ere the Flyers are at for any Raves locally to the Bay Area?? =20 PS. I've been working on planning a communication system that works with t= he Internet and World Wide Web - For Traveling and Lodging. Public School = Style Party's and Events. Let me know if your interested=2C hundred's will= likely begin throwing together some make-shift run of the mill sites that = have to focus.. Let's talk=2C meet=2C and see about putting together some = ideas. Get with the World News People=2C Current Topics.. Go Ahead and ge= t to work!!!! I still have a career going and I'll get my money throwing P= arty's or something....=20 =20 Aloha - Anyone up for throwing a Pimp Hoe Party with a LowRider Theme?? R= ant and Rave that!! Or=2C THIN@.. Pager/V-Mail (510) 691-6181 http://myspace.com/7w2 --_52e6d9eb-b28b-41be-9035-3be20771ed93_-- From sfraves-return-150810-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 05 02:25:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56143 invoked by uid 1103); 5 May 2009 02:25:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56120 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 02:25:12 -0000 Message-ID: <49FFA395.4070307@defsf.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 19:25:25 -0700 From: sean ocean Organization: DEF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Cunanan , SFR References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's up with the Scene up in Washington?? nwtekno.org is where its at. ps. people don't make money throwing parties. people have fun throwing parties. `;) respecty, sean. Eric Cunanan wrote: > I hear it's the largest scene this side of the Mississippi. Anyone know where the Flyers are at for any Raves locally to the Bay Area?? > > > > PS. I've been working on planning a communication system that works with the Internet and World Wide Web - For Traveling and Lodging. Public School Style Party's and Events. Let me know if your interested, hundred's will likely begin throwing together some make-shift run of the mill sites that have to focus.. Let's talk, meet, and see about putting together some ideas. Get with the World News People, Current Topics.. Go Ahead and get to work!!!! I still have a career going and I'll get my money throwing Party's or something.... > > > > Aloha - Anyone up for throwing a Pimp Hoe Party with a LowRider Theme?? Rant and Rave that!! Or, THIN@.. > > > > Pager/V-Mail (510) 691-6181 > http://myspace.com/7w2 > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150811-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 05 18:22:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29946 invoked by uid 1103); 5 May 2009 18:22:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29923 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 18:22:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1241547788; bh=w9eDiMuB0On37kT4+AwjfVyMw7Tr/bTRdTa69Cxg3rk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pIIzNh5dZIYhOWLgP1ZVB8+CyxWGB82+1yDXJPqK7d0AtgvRy7M2Ctlw9+UW8ITpCqXPAUfJf/fM/UayzizFzUrhzmDao9nX6rjZz2id/7N3pp42wcbQvqTs2vQvJiuUzP3E9OYOkEySO2kulx7TUhIDS/q1NfonoZUHy///Fik= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3RLHFMYwpcnjTQNqgA4u3ASVaxixuTW43tTVaGz0k9xiDAPEJ0mpsu636YaE6PIS3GNbkA1CLayrdSXP7gswM7/E1U2w0LFR88elD5Sg6JN9e5t8REfwzG7oIul9++F+k/dsEKWveF/piZ3zJYH6x2XusbP6ZJjfTKTKhGFZAJQ=; Message-ID: <733683.32400.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: yOZH5QcVM1lJe_M8JTX.sWS9KeeuRrd7kDib1PmQyTPfiDaXh0VtXWrMsMvS_DvB4e2lomBmmSyEtC4dURKuvPxjTqsftRW7HWHLmxeqWGK.M1ienGAuQqzT3FyVjwxl9hogyFC3EXvJ3JYBRyt87anQmG8s.e1b3sZw08X2R7wNWQAnulH4F0ZG6JSqJU._Y4qXvoN2lQhHY9rkPBEwc8KVB7mfug1YyIHUlr0f95NstiyYf1TTLofQ8oFbZsHPH46RlGPbKolErvwlipgLGgeTZwF9nI0rbAza3.oXZlkZdfE8UKfD8sJby2hai3DjKObwibdiZytOS8Dpt.0mIp_0z_c- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.11 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:23:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Layla Lewis To: Eric Cunanan , SFR , sean ocean MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1750807946-1241547788=:32400" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's up with the Scene up in Washington?? --0-1750807946-1241547788=:32400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so i was curious and checked your myspace. for someone who wants to build n= etworks you have very few friends there.... not that i have many friends on= myspace. i think i only have 20 or so! but i have around 400 on tribe and = almost 1000 on facebook. and i know many of them in real life. network buil= ding? throwing parties? good luck dear. --- On Mon, 5/4/09, sean ocean wrote: From: sean ocean Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's up with the Scene up in Washington?? To: "Eric Cunanan" , "SFR" Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 7:25 PM nwtekno.org is where its at. ps. people don't make money throwing parties. people have fun throwing part= ies. `;) respecty, sean. Eric Cunanan wrote: > I hear it's the largest scene this side of the Mississippi.=A0 Anyone kno= w where the Flyers are at for any Raves locally to the Bay Area?? >=20 >=A0=20 > PS.=A0 I've been working on planning a communication system that works wi= th the Internet and World Wide Web - For Traveling and Lodging.=A0 Public S= chool Style Party's and Events.=A0 Let me know if your interested, hundred'= s will likely begin throwing together some make-shift run of the mill sites= that have to focus..=A0 Let's talk, meet, and see about putting together s= ome ideas.=A0 Get with the World News People, Current Topics..=A0 Go Ahead = and get to work!!!!=A0 I still have a career going and I'll get my money th= rowing Party's or something....=20 >=A0=20 > Aloha -=A0 Anyone up for throwing a Pimp Hoe Party with a LowRider Theme?= ?=A0 Rant and Rave that!! Or, THIN@.. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Pager/V-Mail (510) 691-6181 > http://myspace.com/7w2 >=20 >=20 >=A0=A0=A0 -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org =0A=0A=0A --0-1750807946-1241547788=:32400-- From sfraves-return-150812-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 05 18:45:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66490 invoked by uid 1103); 5 May 2009 18:45:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66466 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 18:45:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1241549125; bh=R8zczwspdFgWGQWbhjfvzs/v4WXtGnxACcp0+YuFKeE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KQMV4egwiZZQ4FAzNvnxy5FBHUilohul1hIuOnai5s/QSMMr0iVLjbCodoI+6uBLHm2H7ST64gbzgF8bK+5KAVRBg93TaOJiDUQqcC+AQ9nbZXnuoGneAUdIBrdNvS2XfZddGKJEc4ZUJo15xGe+so+X4Se9zoULuLAx7bOljhQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3y0gT0n+JossAyqcrN3vMSHScgYfAiBjo+YL926EoPyqf/PbnrYkGD9zmaygMm55F0WK1B4eDRIccAsyMVR83UsbtWo/ecK/7uDuBq1YZxF3/0+19iqJ9mYltD0CvgqU2VlySA0rOUPcgKKFqQWUfu1WufhdPaRQSydYjYHECWE=; Message-ID: <500829.6450.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1T9jsN4VM1m_Dq2kvEWY5o5R032N8lQLeu6wnB3QeKB5Zg6Ncu8MVgGdNBKxnjBcUT8o1UORsyE219cXcruBqGVamoer_vLW_9Nvtklqlk5fSXb_RHglDsWEmETHV2whZOS5D7PJAL1nkr0PWko0rmetKmvEc_vaEeMg7pLKFG7kowuF8BjAdPIfRyU3eG9unFytnWGsy6VFeRrN2g4IU_qE23XEYemLv2jDNPYYkDyAHhGcyDT.4xl7SjR83bGX4QYs40aaZ6h8ftq8fV7K.fPaCwPZC6opEttfwvj9AEgH6HWst63ABbs213KfLJkmUk4zK2eI2tyhk6ETsykrNq3sLnk7z4Bwe1fTpmMVxxCEjQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: SFRaves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR - Help save the Juneteenth Parade in Galveston, TX! Hey all, A group of friends and I are starting a fundraising group to help the people of Galveston TX, which was hit HARD by Hurricane Ike. We're starting small. The Juneteenth parade on Galveston Island is an annual celebration of the cessation of slavery in Texas, the proclamation of which was initially issued right there on the island in 1865. The parade has always been immensely important to the (heavily African-American) community, but especially now, it's a unifying event for a town of people, many of whom have been scattered to surrounding areas due to the hurricane's damage. This year, due to extreme lack of funds, the parade will not be held for the first time ever- and that's for the lack of a few thousand dollars. We hope to raise those funds and more, through independent donations and an awesome fundraiser party we're putting the finishing touches on now. If you want to find out more, make a donation, or stay updated on the party, see our new site: http://www.sfheartsgalveston.com. We're Twittering @savejuneteenth. If you get inspired to blog, Twitter, LJ, or just talk about this to your friends, all the better! Lots of love, George --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150813-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 05 18:59:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87024 invoked by uid 1103); 5 May 2009 18:59:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87006 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 18:59:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49FFA395.4070307@defsf.com> References: <49FFA395.4070307@defsf.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:00:09 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0905051200l1c39addbv41a9013b03ae0adb@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: sean ocean Cc: Eric Cunanan , SFR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d4024de31b04692ee32d X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's up with the Scene up in Washington?? --00163646d4024de31b04692ee32d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:25 PM, sean ocean wrote: > nwtekno.org is where its at. > > ps. people don't make money throwing parties. people have fun throwing > parties. `;) > trying to get a copy of this off my pvr has resulted in me rewatching a bunch of times so now I keep hearing scenes. :P "Why do you do this to yourself? Don't even get paid, risk getting arrested, for what?" "You don't know?" "No." "The Nod." "The Nod?" "Happens to me at least once every party. Some guy comes up to me and says "Thank you for making this happen... I needed this. This really meant something to me." And they nod... and I nod back." "... That's it?" "That's it." -R. > > respecty, > sean. > > > Eric Cunanan wrote: > >> I hear it's the largest scene this side of the Mississippi. Anyone know >> where the Flyers are at for any Raves locally to the Bay Area?? >> >> >> PS. I've been working on planning a communication system that works with >> the Internet and World Wide Web - For Traveling and Lodging. Public School >> Style Party's and Events. Let me know if your interested, hundred's will >> likely begin throwing together some make-shift run of the mill sites that >> have to focus.. Let's talk, meet, and see about putting together some >> ideas. Get with the World News People, Current Topics.. Go Ahead and get >> to work!!!! I still have a career going and I'll get my money throwing >> Party's or something.... >> >> Aloha - Anyone up for throwing a Pimp Hoe Party with a LowRider Theme?? >> Rant and Rave that!! Or, THIN@.. >> >> >> >> Pager/V-Mail (510) 691-6181 >> http://myspace.com/7w2 >> >> >> >> > > -- > ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ > > Visit: http://www.defsf.com > west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events > > ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com > ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --00163646d4024de31b04692ee32d-- From sfraves-return-150814-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 05 23:40:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19520 invoked by uid 1103); 5 May 2009 23:40:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19493 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 23:40:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=JIDmar0wdVlBrUYK3jmslq7qZaCfiiw0uhQi2XLsx/k=; b=Ih2SSKw0IOvpzE2TJHGqaTnq6ipFk9UXLr+PC9X8g4n189LJNI/7fYrvuRGJPcr0Lj hbrWM1WL2sD+/I8oRTHDh2gHMb5xLeBp3O35n64A9B53XvFBle/CYZPFX9+LvnIIVuAh 1xaVPLfR9OYMp7fpi52ljBLcej6sYVeadkS5E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=DXoPTYQwcghvMWU1K8gTOZDG/fQwJVpV4ClH6aZXMZzusjZymWyvnrdBrs1N5COwUO vDA8P/39X/7QKMmOeurROwb0s/bIoxxqg2BfocrCEVJrWppzBDohj1PK4m41lK5tP89E 1rWqFwrhEKukg5m1xohI4MybQbJiJSb8BhUS4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:40:30 -0700 Message-ID: <6ed22ae30905051640m137cc3aep107227b88123b789@mail.gmail.com> From: Dance Democracy To: orotoro Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016362836d6eea133046932cdca X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Final Scratch 2.0 mac help --0016362836d6eea133046932cdca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey andy. i have fs version 1.5 install disc here. let me know how i can help. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:32 PM, orotoro wrote: > I have come into posession of a final scratch 2.0 unit, but no software. I > am having trouble locating the software required to use this thing. I > checked brokenstones, and googled for traktor FS 2 and can't find anything. > Could use some hints or guidance on this. > > This is for Mac OS X Leopard. 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Hope to see some of you at Whole Earth Festival! Well everyone this is the last weekend of a 4 week / 4 City Stilldream Tour. I can honestly say that I think people are warmed up and ready to go and can't wait to see what this weekend holds. This weekend we are lucky to have not just 1 Stilldream Event but 2! 1. Stilldream 2nd Saturday Art Show! - Saturday May 9th, 2009 2. Stilldream Whole Earth Festival After Party - Saturday May 9th, 2009 3. Memberships going fast for Stilldream 9 Year Anniversary -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. This Saturday join us for another weekend of fun in the sun at the Stilldream 2nd Saturday Art Walk. StillDream 2nd Sat. Art Show May 9th 2009 Art By: Jason Zerbel Goran The Robot Ricky Guerrero Melanie Meth Steph Van Alen Music Provided By: House Junkie 6-7 Fruitbat 7-8 sentry 8-9 Mener 9-10 2220 J St # 6 Sacramento, CA 95816 In front of See's Candy 6pm to 10pm FREE -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Plan on attending Whole Earth Festival but want to keep going after they shut down at 10pm. Well this year Stilldream goes to Davis to throw the Official After Party to the Whole Earth Festival! Stilldream Official Whole Earth After Party Saturday May 9th, 2009 Davis, CA Lineup: ROOM 1: DUBSTEP / DNB: Ripple - Full Melt - SF DJ Tao - Davis, Ca Rastatronics - Subwize, Raindance Atom O.N.E. - National Entity Manic One - Chico, Ca ROOM 2: HOUSE / BREAKS / TECHNO Nick Nyquil - Stilldream / Nocturnalism G.A.M.M.A. - Stilldream / Left Coast Techno Kelly D. - Whole Earth Ratchet - Stilldream Where: Little Prague 330 G Street #H Davis, CA 95616 (530) 758-1334 Just a short walk from Whole Earth! When: 9PM-2AM Age: 21+ Cost: FREE!!! Hope to see you there! * Also if you can, come see G.A.M.M.A. close out Whole Earth Festival Friday Night (May 8th - from 9-10pm)! -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. STILLDREAM 9 YEAR MEMBERSHIP INFORMATION: Early Bird Memberships are Sold out! Tier 2 Memberships now online for only $45 and coming to a store near you! Get them before they are gone. Wait did we say only $45! You are correct. You get 4 days 3 nights of camping, Views of the Sierra Nevadas and the Sacramento Valley, World Class Headliners, Your favorite locals, Live Bands, Yoga, Swimming, Body painting, Henna, hooping, Guest Speakers talking about a variety of subjects, friends, family and this warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing that you are a part of something bigger then yourself! What more could you want! Get your membership that allows you entrance into this years 9 year anniversary at: In Stores: Skills Dj Workshop 2566a Telegraph Avenue Berkeley, CA 94704 (510) 704-9876 Coming Soon to: UNITEDSTATE BOUTIQUE 1014 24th Street (24TH x JST) Midtown Sacramento California 916.444.7230 Anubis warpus 1525 Haight St San Francisco, CA 94117 (415) 431-2218 Recycled Records 4930 S Virginia Street Reno, NV 89502 (775) 826-4119 ONLINE: WWW.GROOVETICKETS.COM KEYWORD: STILLDREAM -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Much love to you all! We'll see you soon when we all reunite the tribe together in June at the 9 Year Anniversary! Keep Dreaming, Living and Loving! Paul Plescov G.A.M.M.A. www.designsbygamma.com www.djgamma.com www.stilldream.org _________________________________________________________________ HotmailŪ goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 --_21cdfae5-ad88-4b8d-8401-0925cc599c01_-- From sfraves-return-150816-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 09 23:23:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60456 invoked by uid 1103); 9 May 2009 23:23:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60426 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 23:23:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20090509182419.mtads4lxj4goww0g@webmail.viberation.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 18:24:19 -0500 From: osby@viberation.com To: SFRaves References: <500829.6450.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <500829.6450.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] like seriously, shut the fuck up!!!! my rant for the week >:O OK.. so like all week, i kinda been dealing with alota posers online =20 in various chat place thingies... like I mean... they all sayin' that =20 this scene is dead, that scene is dead yada yada yada yada yada bull =20 fuckin' yada man!!! I mean... these ummmm 'people' area all sayin' =20 that "That's why I don't go out no more, there's just no good DJs" =20 blah habla la la bite me... I mean... how would they know??? I =20 mean... they don't out dancing, they don't go bar hopping, they just =20 don't go out, but like when their favorite DJ is in town, then they go =20 out.. but that's like 4 times in a year kinda shit... the rest of the =20 time, they're online complaining about reeeeeeeeally stupid shit they =20 don't know about, they judge like the jungle scene, the house scene, =20 this scene, that scene, djs, people, just stuff they wouldn't know =20 about unless they went out more & I jsut tell them to shut the fuck up =20 'cause their shit talk is like getting sooooooooooo tired!!! I =20 seriously am annoyed with people like that! Lame!! ok /end rant have a Groovy weekend SF Ravers... i may see you on the dance floor =20 tonight!!! :) Peace=3D-> Just Me=3D-> Osby {8O) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150817-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 09 23:28:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66304 invoked by uid 1103); 9 May 2009 23:28:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66283 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 23:28:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vO2Rv4ueRy3Sit0WWYWkpVLpCu9bmyYXtq3xkz2uN/4=; b=kLYiU+E0CWsihHwCz4uZ9KIBoJX7gy2LUb2frYwFTRT0AfK5a7J4X8MSk/9XHhqDwz z2cU9BL70yqdHdvtaVdvSxKHqSw3zdV12FiBWP2yCPhBN1UckzopatCwlHR6zZ4ImSKR /kv7ZmebDx+bfvr+DN48fiiP4A3Ztr5ZUCfZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=GRU114f91B4iCH4ns3qKsqJlVChhFlVBl6z+TsX/Rd0mvt5H77N4jfx/eHtjW85GTK 2UAV9tu3R5qz7AfLrsA7D4GATbj/x95EaoZMe39UCJfPm7PM9Ic2dVDS4aUbB8ZwX0TS Vi52EoRF8UKC8qdM4B27mAIdLyuJr5FUmto38= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20090509182419.mtads4lxj4goww0g@webmail.viberation.com> References: <500829.6450.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090509182419.mtads4lxj4goww0g@webmail.viberation.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:28:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3c932fe30905091628x7becd23dsc607dd9e53f78b05@mail.gmail.com> From: Matthew Phillips To: osby@viberation.com Cc: SFRaves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f0ab8bc65fa0469831a5a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] like seriously, shut the fuck up!!!! my rant for the week >:O --001e680f0ab8bc65fa0469831a5a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You tell it Osby!!!! If people wanna complain about no scene then they are welcome to come visit Tampa where even Tiesto fears to tred! Calamity Jane concurs... :-) ------------------------- http://blip.fm/profile/kestrachern On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:24 PM, wrote: > OK.. so like all week, i kinda been dealing with alota posers online in > various chat place thingies... like I mean... they all sayin' that this > scene is dead, that scene is dead yada yada yada yada yada bull fuckin' yada > man!!! I mean... these ummmm 'people' area all sayin' that "That's why I > don't go out no more, there's just no good DJs" blah habla la la bite me... > I mean... how would they know??? I mean... they don't out dancing, they > don't go bar hopping, they just don't go out, but like when their favorite > DJ is in town, then they go out.. but that's like 4 times in a year kinda > shit... the rest of the time, they're online complaining about reeeeeeeeally > stupid shit they don't know about, they judge like the jungle scene, the > house scene, this scene, that scene, djs, people, just stuff they wouldn't > know about unless they went out more & I jsut tell them to shut the fuck up > 'cause their shit talk is like getting sooooooooooo tired!!! I seriously am > annoyed with people like that! Lame!! > > ok > > /end rant > > have a Groovy weekend SF Ravers... i may see you on the dance floor > tonight!!! :) > > > Peace=-> > Just Me=-> > Osby {8O) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --001e680f0ab8bc65fa0469831a5a-- From sfraves-return-150818-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 10 00:20:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97980 invoked by uid 1103); 10 May 2009 00:20:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97962 invoked from network); 10 May 2009 00:20:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nTpElv1DNJLabZqqIQDCqe04ZASGuEW4dgS+EDrblJc=; b=K3awO0vwPEBSSuC0tEQvfavsSvhf3EtlYDNZOMYews6IgDmCmuJJmojaUAFRtQvBdP KMjbNDJZOzvaZ4ROk5chBTMx5IWYGu+M72ReX8GLYwGbFUGCt6uwHqNpRvGut75bV7OW 9R7VZ6Js2J8o9ejs+DDdwXwguJ8vo31IaBjqk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=CiFta4c+/UAwJQZDvbTw8Ja7lXVW2d39Dc6jFvESTlRheP8ZrCQAqYEm50B3QjfD+6 ObTKysZiOOeYdzBUm2hQWFEm1dq0r2TtWtqMYB0b2dKmAF14MchZ8xsLnTSNiIgdlj13 f2DOruwn8cMKUeCujIXI+byNUMxVql6kg38w4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:20:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1c60b9300905091720t2a92b9e1t7b88bd35876719df@mail.gmail.com> From: Greg Bird To: SFRaves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp: Sunday! [KONTROL] + Sunset @ How Weird Street Faire + after party w/ Catz n Dogz aka 3 Channels By day, the [KONTROL]+ Sunset crews team up for a day of dancing in the streets at the 10th Annual How Weird Street Faire. 10 stages, food, drinks, vendors, and lots of fun. 2nd and Howard streets in SOMA, SF. Full info at: http://howweird.org. [KONTROL] + Sunset stage location: http://kontrolsf.com/HW09_map.jpg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ By night, Bionic + [KONTROL] present an SF EXCLUSIVE appearance by: CATZ N DOGZ / 3 CHANNELS (Mothership, Leena, Channels: Poland) "Stars of Zoo" World Tour with support from [KONTROL] DJs: Nikola Baytala Sammy D Craig Kuna Greg Bird Flyer: http://kontrolsf.com/BKHW09_Web.jpg More on Catz n Dogz: http://www.myspace.com/3channels VIDEO: Catz n Dogz aka 3 Channels @ [KONTROL] in 2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ_GPx0osk Located at: The Triple Crown 1760 Market St., SF 9pm - 2am / 21+ / $8 This event is an official How Weird Street Faire after party. Your "magic sticker" (received when you donate to the Faire) is valid for $2 off entry. All proceeds from this event will go to help cover the costs of producing our stage at How Weird. SUPPORT! Thanks, Bionic & [KONTROL] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150819-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 10 01:59:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59146 invoked by uid 1103); 10 May 2009 01:59:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59117 invoked from network); 10 May 2009 01:59:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1241920763; bh=86tRaSF4PgdVmmN72wqtZHKq3CXvKl7BPyuzYTXi3xw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zOmTZ+HGxK2wl1oDZ7H5EHCVXyQWSuSBjBRs5EDm2/A7WCluBJa1S8Kw+HBU1Hc3Ebvwpl5X2kdxoTQV6KvPgbg0j7jDZuCbCMt4AcJB07F0qGeUQbiUSZTCahQ9KhCDTeLreVt6lnR9hK1svX/dcnXWKvmdQAGFX3mrFvb05mk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; 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Message-ID: <565485.24385.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: X9gSuvEVM1klqz1gT5uWmPWOFDfT7ZVS0NbOrN2wzYK4NWSsti3Tt7A6C_c2.JK3Y4CFsblSbw_ND39UBPJLw6mKW7Clrg766Aluf8oQ_V4ZCbugmpxTEDSjC52qPLbnpw6ASUqm0Zk_r.4eXxXOFi5iNRDVfPN_47jt4gPIHJGv2wVMYOhaqef1oGJqAm_R0LBLpfVO0aIy3.Muh4V00hHJFfoDvNPw17w.83K6P_5sNbgoiEspA9l7GZCWOBGQXmnUJvNg7MDBp7ki878chDstJvSJ8yP9hkoebWOjROMkjOiMJOMW5Y7vkj0M_4zP5FI3_jX43zMddXv14Aluydwo8ftSD4wGXv9vSXI- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, dangrsmind@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1322022584-1241983990=:24385" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: How Weird Street Fair --0-1322022584-1241983990=:24385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii guess i'll see you there..i'll be at the boombox.. --- On Sat, 5/9/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Subject: [sfraves] Roll Call: How Weird Street Fair To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:59 PM There, with family. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-1322022584-1241983990=:24385-- From sfraves-return-150821-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 05:43:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26840 invoked by uid 1103); 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Message-ID: <354769.4656.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7N8kOMAVM1lhzfQbPBDCa87O0ncTDqVYMPN.ykRSaBdxPGxd0FHd8EfGt06ccN7k3ZSG2CuzAFwFlEety0DXfTqAr1gVNNCB_e38A4lM9uw7aE2cAZK43l6M.5cCkH8e6oBxO7mySXMmBYjSgNRcPE3oeQbKpORLwW2S39dx3VZP3RDR2llau_3YuP6WXnNSn2bZ6MA0jL8LEWxArbEIfWYcVznjCdCBUm22GzgqUj38uVWb8Qqwh.sD.6lmofUaHQgbn1Cpr3f3cdKQwQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1872049502-1242020246=:4656" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --0-1872049502-1242020246=:4656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I remember from way back in the day was this =A0 You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed parti= es and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you cou= ld choose from 4 different parties every saturday night =A0 Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like months = and months in advance. =A0 Why is it not like that anymore? It is because of timewave zero. 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novelty. Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only exist= as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty.=0A=0A=0A --0-1872049502-1242020246=:4656-- From sfraves-return-150822-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 05:57:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36077 invoked by uid 1103); 11 May 2009 05:57:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36056 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 05:57:08 -0000 Message-ID: From: "nico" To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" , References: <354769.4656.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:57:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Paul, call me. sup. Let me update you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" To: Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero What I remember from way back in the day was this You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like months and months in advance. Why is it not like that anymore? It is because of timewave zero. 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novelty. Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150823-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 08:39:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64716 invoked by uid 1103); 11 May 2009 08:39:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64699 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 08:39:57 -0000 From: orotoro To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden In-Reply-To: <354769.4656.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5H11) References: <354769.4656.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9B1ADF27-B0CA-4423-A0E1-63643A03B8B3@technoprisoners.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5H11) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 01:40:17 -0700 Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. '0ro+or0' On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > What I remember from way back in the day was this > > You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that > listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot > of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every saturday > night > > Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like > months and months in advance. > > Why is it not like that anymore? > It is because of timewave zero. > 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of > novelty. > Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will > only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150824-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 13:05:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97514 invoked by uid 1103); 11 May 2009 13:05:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97402 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 13:05:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242046736; bh=IkARtgAv3sjba6V+yTkxKuMxea3X5mjJvGbNsEzWRa4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gzVpPYAALV1pCwggbEegnZQgQJzFpGiV7EMXfqEqP3hTJrzVONdnuv4DeaqOcQ2tfLK5xS+NvFWwO+N/R8Qv63W16tW9zq33122p8GdtSeFmQddtxyps0zdiyuFEnwYI1KU3UDNxgRJnTw0ARM7zz+jLvoGN8cwIWJrVa/MaKnY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NPm36FsZ1AVtsnaFZDh4k0C+8dknoHiXnYeUI93OOYzqiYF6hgYDE1DNib0g8F31XRpubzexJzAeRuNbfh6q2HQZ4VamdEbe5ASI1UCdvlkiBv+k7f3z3e4eISTbsf5jPBrcuIwErFm+1h06LIFVzPEeX2xW9Ut8dtirZxd9e3c=; Message-ID: <690569.89233.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SJsSw84VM1luqswWpPOA1BiEx.czrQB75cbEtSJkIsmYsCTo9cj8eKZ.zH7XYcoFpkfVRXog2luOuANLhB9Be006st_3uKEDDYqR_Hgf1bq16HGx2x3dN2Vlk3cPIgvTEF9MEL0_GT8uSxsyo.ed35XX_2ymLPmeFg9wnLkRaPmsSFiU9xMOTCoa9.3i2nN6y0wgd9YZUm3O3PLQ_wHKgnCo2VkDKy6y.DlDOyAvTbW2ceWLACRPxHTAolxr98DQ3hmMwd_sj4SKcY6JvYz4fz0qmy3C.teYOcxXn.Qs1rrguXuRryBJkMoq5YWOM32Rliwp2ITtCjVtxrH0dCQYveO0kHeWTw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 References: <354769.4656.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9B1ADF27-B0CA-4423-A0E1-63643A03B8B3@technoprisoners.org> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 05:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: orotoro , Paul Simcovich-Hayden Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: <9B1ADF27-B0CA-4423-A0E1-63643A03B8B3@technoprisoners.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", whatever that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection to 2012 and the i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not the general notion of increasing novelty or the fractal form of such a "wave". Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is Vernor VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not that novelty ceases to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is generated in a short period of time, that beings living just before and just after the singularity can't even communicate. Its not the end of history, its just the end of the sort of history that our puny brains can understand. So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about sfraves is that not only could you find a list of parties, but you could have conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without being laughed off the stage. Virtually speaking of course. Regards, Peter PS How Weird rocked! ----- Original Message ---- From: orotoro To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. '0ro+or0' On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > What I remember from way back in the day was this > > You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night > > Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like months and months in advance. > > Why is it not like that anymore? > It is because of timewave zero. > 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novelty. > Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150825-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 15:34:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50661 invoked by uid 1103); 11 May 2009 15:34:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50642 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 15:34:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ka/VW9xKuHhno53OFT0JKXDKzENaH+sPVoMPbqzDZmU=; b=t3KPiYzurToA7F1wQttj6lW1m7+r8KyiCNqNqFE2YCNWod1BSNG5FJuGNd2kChvf7J 2kxM01Tlq7xq+GrM7ouJmp203H6Uv9NW0S0i+xQMbD+MiOWTw4S7WNjRELMJ9tMKSQK8 uu+1uSLnlBIigGXtfsgcs6+E5sBb3Db33GMfk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=js4Xq0d88xoV8B+EtYoVrpa3GOadwrA2qe7JUL4qEu10zAhLwHWc5jG7QVzJDNBq9V APR8BBopj561k9muzd3cIad+Hb8Sr5E/P5/z7m18jQA/5UMDK0mLYnb2m4LRwEQFCDEA Y994Z42e/M3iuNaw18YMGQDgtDRZF+PCtr2nA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <690569.89233.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <354769.4656.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9B1ADF27-B0CA-4423-A0E1-63643A03B8B3@technoprisoners.org> <690569.89233.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:34:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1940932a0905110834s60f0bdd0g71f6d7dff58bb4c4@mail.gmail.com> From: D To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd150b68592d20469a4b743 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --000e0cd150b68592d20469a4b743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit theres gonna be green reptile men that come to our planet through transdemensional portals. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 5:58 AM, wrote: > > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", whatever > that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection to 2012 and the i > ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not the general notion of > increasing novelty or the fractal form of such a "wave". > > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is Vernor > VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not that novelty ceases > to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is generated in a short > period of time, that beings living just before and just after the > singularity can't even communicate. Its not the end of history, its just > the end of the sort of history that our puny brains can understand. > > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about sfraves is > that not only could you find a list of parties, but you could have > conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without being laughed off > the stage. Virtually speaking of course. > > Regards, > > Peter > > PS How Weird rocked! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: orotoro > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, > compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of > the day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural > focus will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will > notice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens > at all. > > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. > > '0ro+or0' > > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden > wrote: > > > What I remember from way back in the day was this > > > > You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed > parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you > could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night > > > > Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like > months and months in advance. > > > > Why is it not like that anymore? > > It is because of timewave zero. > > 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of > novelty. > > Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only > exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --000e0cd150b68592d20469a4b743-- From sfraves-return-150826-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 16:36:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31351 invoked by uid 1103); 11 May 2009 16:36:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31332 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 16:36:25 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on bit.tuplemovers.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:36 +0000 From: "Holt Sorenson" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: Mail::SendEasy/1.2 Perl/5.010000-linux Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20090511163637.626E3F8110@bit.tuplemovers.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: BSP: me! now! / dj zenith =50=6C=65=61=73=65 =74=75=6E=65 =69=6E =74=6F =4B=5A=53=55 =62=79 =6C=69=73= =74=65=6E=69=6E=67 =74=6F =39=30=2E=31 =69=6E =74=68=65 =42=61=79 =41=72=65= =61 =6F=72 =70=6F=69=6E=74=69=6E=67 =79=6F=75=72 =77=65=62 =62=72=6F=77=73=65=72 =74= =6F =68=74=74=70=3A=2F=2F=6B=7A=73=75=6C=69=76=65=2E=73=74=61=6E=66=6F=72= =64=2E=65=64=75=2E =49=66 =79=6F=75=27=72=65 =69=6E=74=65=72=65=73=74=65=64 =69=6E =67=75=65= =73=74 =61=70=70=65=61=72=69=6E=67 =6F=6E 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YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <354769.4656.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9B1ADF27-B0CA-4423-A0E1-63643A03B8B3@technoprisoners.org> <690569.89233.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1940932a0905110834s60f0bdd0g71f6d7dff58bb4c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:03:31 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: D Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: <1940932a0905110834s60f0bdd0g71f6d7dff58bb4c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Perfect timing for hangover recovery ;) Also, FYI, Mrs. Renfro's Habanero Salsa is the cure... Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: D To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:34:41 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero theres gonna be green reptile men that come to our planet through transdemensional portals. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 5:58 AM, wrote: > > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", whatever > that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection to 2012 and the i > ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not the general notion of > increasing novelty or the fractal form of such a "wave". > > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is Vernor > VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not that novelty ceases > to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is generated in a short > period of time, that beings living just before and just after the > singularity can't even communicate. Its not the end of history, its just > the end of the sort of history that our puny brains can understand. > > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about sfraves is > that not only could you find a list of parties, but you could have > conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without being laughed off > the stage. Virtually speaking of course. > > Regards, > > Peter > > PS How Weird rocked! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: orotoro > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, > compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of > the day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural > focus will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will > notice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens > at all. > > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. > > '0ro+or0' > > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden > wrote: > > > What I remember from way back in the day was this > > > > You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed > parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you > could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night > > > > Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like > months and months in advance. > > > > Why is it not like that anymore? > > It is because of timewave zero. > > 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of > novelty. > > Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only > exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150828-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 19:02:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5235 invoked by uid 1103); 11 May 2009 19:02:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5198 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 19:02:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=G6s7Qv/odH0J4OGesf5c1aOtEGy01xdkgkqWCiWNoYo=; b=dgQ6lQbC3gCEhoKIwR1LvmI9dnAAZAjiZpW8OxLmn8sZxU40ikh4wOBTi6nW/BFJod 1HAm6kOLfPxQmRPLGE6RCBMxNcmXely7l3BaAQJA0jwMTWfQPtep3BPsWB2QtZHmpkRV D9fcer8eXqPdqkbMH737RNBpTIkvsTeExXNBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UGNkULpxQcvJOhlFY+qbh9mt4r5Z6FgSO8yjga0Rv4RSHjo1JZyGqscTGfTK1WxA0P rjskInybj9PV7AHgO37Li9o2ju5iA7rwCR4YehPkn/h0FKfRe+ZgY3ACoDRVlbPwxGvi uq261/MbdK+nSWOPRsNV4Sl41rPtMpkLEqA5A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <354769.4656.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <354769.4656.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:03:04 -0700 Message-ID: From: Sean G To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Timewave Zero aside, Karina (who ran the sfr calendar) seems to have gone permanently MIA. A homie of mine tried to contact her about taking it over, and never got any response... so he started his own: galaxyraver.com which is a message board and pretty nice events calendar. You post a thread about your event and it automatically creates a calendar entry. There are still easily 4 parties a night on the weekend to choose from; many of them arent listed on public forums or boards. On 5/10/09, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > What I remember from way back in the day was this > > You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night > > Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like months and months in advance. > > Why is it not like that anymore? > It is because of timewave zero. > 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novelty. > Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. > > > -- kekekekeke =[^.^]= zomg!!111 kekekekeke This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. 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Thank you for your cooperation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150829-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 19:33:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40535 invoked by uid 1103); 11 May 2009 19:33:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40513 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 19:33:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242070415; bh=8AndrC81glDiIizAP1/7bpapnRzZyvReYpbO72bPUPg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BXm8jRh4GIIjvu4rDb27BNhB2+vIJnsKRHAAItj73AKCxVyPFqaujZVOWXG0WWSq0Hkmp14WhqL6Okb5tuaGp9aCDxpAoCA6ATPPjo20XzOuzSPhIDg36WhgT7wsWWa5qUik/W+B8q4grIirRSDXjFRb4mVGNokpnIIbGl/UhIQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OFAnuqTFZ3gOO0+5SG9k0pod0EunFM5AfhTX32ucHWelsOW/N18cG2SnkPA5KpwaU3CHqalfymREM0+394GHVIzxcldZDrVWPjkkmfUKL3gZt/6FOm0VeHd09XdGgtRVNoYHMij2+ZcgD4Pj8ChYUdv2bfTUYX0pdEiumjd0tJ4=; Message-ID: <49011.97085.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: LbVUF0EVM1lAPuB4zcvsQmUCN1dXuFExU66fZjMmzNFGH5sOPbhUqtmOHm6vCU.Jc3Xz88LT1_1FABWaO_TahYS7yqOB9.jV079brs42gnQmFmWgzUXoyRQl2m_kYdGKkukhArcSvHNjJyPb7lgzM79X_Aj26OEOC8zG53vfLIZhyCyQ1ctYumCG6LAzUiRKgDg4yhSXM3Tv9zwS1jEGwjCAIgE2YQ9JRpTMrcMrYvAP4IP_v09QsAgmcvEgahUfYcas2eqI31_UBT0xKyBZsMjzMaIbk1ClCwZJ7hATUCi0VjR1MCul X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 References: <354769.4656.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9B1ADF27-B0CA-4423-A0E1-63643A03B8B3@technoprisoners.org> <690569.89233.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1940932a0905110834s60f0bdd0g71f6d7dff58bb4c4@mail.gmail.com> <402687.87562.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: SFRaves In-Reply-To: <402687.87562.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero I dunno about you, but I have way more fun these days than I did back when SFR was poppin'. I don't go to quite as many "raves", but somehow I'm dancing to rad music and seeing cool art with a great group of friends all the time. ..and I'm not a dumb kid anymore, either, which helps! ;) Novelty, shmovelty, we're staring at the next summer of love, kids! > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden > wrote: > > > What I remember from way back in the day was this > > > > You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed > parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you > could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night > > > > Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like > months and months in advance. > > > > Why is it not like that anymore? > > It is because of timewave zero. > > 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of > novelty. > > Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only > exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150830-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 20:35:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16720 invoked by uid 1103); 11 May 2009 20:35:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16701 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 20:35:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yif+Qnj9B+SVboFuVKwY8Nc5PKW6K+Pn5Pd16AnMAJE=; b=lCUOn43DatVAefbJLRbieJyqUvmqLvL6yb9fvHwOegIiOHfh4upUyL5a70bFvKXt9i E1R57Ghx6eLTUxxlzw6o9lKIAuGEznxMkOX0RlewObgQ+1CSMEFJ1lqgPKvZv+AHtNvg SNoXjS8pvcAJvqHLsZuorOxGNaGTkBZvMrflA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=LkPwDxpwm8R6TRWGseHrw8KfpPiiRpXlRvpdvWq2sXBr+nUwNm9qN/t58VBv5rE6QF gzsMRaHZb6YKtmY/UfSlrsSG5u/wEjI3Rspg2ex8ZoGLh/uBqE6d+35/9HLIjzqPkOLE P+bLyZXxBWhnKhsIJMsVtOURBQL5FTdYGXlJU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <354769.4656.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:35:56 -0700 Message-ID: <19b8baf40905111335n527597a7wb858d3fc51881e71@mail.gmail.com> From: Media Bass To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6470ef8dd45cc0469a8ec3e X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --0016e6470ef8dd45cc0469a8ec3e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karina is doing well; currently living up in Scotts Valley. If anyone would like to reach her, I can get you in touch. peace CG --0016e6470ef8dd45cc0469a8ec3e-- From sfraves-return-150831-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 14 00:43:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75752 invoked by uid 1103); 14 May 2009 00:43:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75733 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 00:43:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=wAxGQscpSd/VODE6malotWdSHezfjQsghtOoANIoV+0=; b=s7XdVuS6xZrJ5P+OP7KkLHB7zQdH94WuxMoX9bjuxWA5tR46ELdM1WKU2nS1I2Kp8Y Q18Bpmvxzo9opf1+VH6UMq363tknHsg6gGGgzNyxi3fDOIimibk6c++5rUcffliG0tKC rIebUIXRL7cTMNEz/xXrppgw2XzV6//7Zfjrw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=p5ohN5RRn1RLfku+jhEULEx6BAIA/g+dOQxErtf1Aszxjp3wS1nkYjUtXix6nfHyoQ FtqEpfQqRWybtpbVVrQ6+8fYbjHxEvh8dJH3x99FM6GiumLN9TKGEpSk0YOIrLa7pMrF h9TFtMBZ5fJQWx/Zeoga6a5eZz6fCbSVUNOwE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:44:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Felis concolor To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636458110da21050469d4a072 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Scene in Charleston, SC? --001636458110da21050469d4a072 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm headed to Charleston, South Carolina the first week of June. Anyone know the scene there? Good clubs to find dance at? 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What more could=20 you want!=20 =20 Get your membership that allows you entrance into this years 9 year=20 anniversary at: =20 In Stores:=20 Skills Dj Workshop 2566a Telegraph Avenue Berkeley=2C CA 94704 (510) 704-9876=20 =20 Coming Soon to: UNITEDSTATE BOUTIQUE 1014 24th Street (24TH x JST) Midtown Sacramento California 916.444.7230 =20 Anubis warpus 1525 Haight St San Francisco=2C CA 94117 (415) 431-2218 =20 Recycled Records 4930 S Virginia Street Reno=2C NV 89502 (775) 826-4119=20 =20 ONLINE: WWW.GROOVETICKETS.COM KEYWORD: STILLDREAM =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- =20 Much love to you all! We'll see you soon when we all reunite the tribe=20 together in June at the 9 Year Anniversary! =20 Keep Dreaming=2C Living and Loving! 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To: "sf raves" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 12:52 AM CHECK OUT THE NEW SITE: www.stilldream.org Here's the full anniversary lineup and info! Get your Stilldream Membership= s they are going quick! +++Stilldream 9 Year Anniversary Gathering+++ +++June 19, 20th & 21st, 2009+++ Now Prepare yourselves! UBERZONE VS. BASSBINTWINS MEDICINEDRUM Live! DOC MARTIN DAVE DRESDEN of Gabriel&Dresden VIBESQUAD=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 HEAVYWEIGHT DUB CHAMPION Live! RKIDZ of the LAWGIVERZ PITCHBLACK Live! JUPITER COLLAB PROJECT Live! FOREST GREEN HYPNOTECH DRAGN=E2=80=99FLY KETHER Live! RIPPLE AUDIOVOID MR. ROGERS DOV ZAPPER Live! LYFE POM AFTAMATT MICHAEL LIU DR.SPOOK TI MONKEY DIRT RUFF HAUSER SPACE INVADER STEPHAN CARLOS ALFONZO SAUSEE G.A.M.M.A. NICK NYQUIL RIZIN MEK ALEKS ARIZE THA FRUITBAT Live! ADAM ANT ATOMONE DARKEMETH KNIFEYPAUL SEVENTHSWAMI Live! NILES EVINRUDE RECLIPSE THE DOCTOR CHRISTAFARI JON E. QWEST JEFF THOMPSON KELLY D. PHOKUS Live! SYCHOSIS RYAN KENDALL DJCHIPY MENER DANIEL FORMLESS PSY FI ADAMMATIC TIM MANAS TUPPERWARE BLUE MIKE MOSS ORNETTE OFFICER BUNCH JAY BIRD FUNK MF COVERT MOROCCO SLIM ELBERETH RDG BOB-O DAVID AARON MALACAI PSILOGOD CASTOPHER RIBBLE DJ WHORES SENTRY GENJI J.C. RESYNTHESIZE MINO EUGENE STEELE DIGITAL RUST JDUBZ UNAGI ITEKKI ANAMNESIS MANICONE PSYLENCE TOORANGIAN SPEKTRUM GRITPHILM DATGIRL PLANET SKIPPY EYE-RE-EYES BIRD OF PREY HEAVENLY FATHER MYKIES MC FILTHY TWITCH COI THE CONCHA DOME: NIGHT TIME: In the Concha Dome, come chill out for the After Hours Ambient = Lounge.=20 Low Lighting, Ambient Music, Tarot and Palm Readings... You name it! A grea= t place to go rest and relax and take a break! * GUEST SPEAKERS - JEAN MILLAY, DAWON WASHINGTON & MORE ON THE WAY!=20 * ENERGY WORKSHOP BY KELLY D.=20 * SILK SCREENING * BRING YOUR MATTS FOR MORNING YOGA CLASS' * BODY PAINTING, HENNA * WEST AFRICAN DANCE CLASSES * DON'T KNOW HOW? LEARN HOW TO HOOP OR SPIN POI! GUIDED HIKES!=20 * BELLY DANCING CLASSES!=20 * PLUS MUCH MORE COMING SOON! Stilldream Membership Information: (How you get into the Anniversary Event) Early Bird Memberships are Sold out! Tier 2 Memberships now online for=20 only $45 and coming to a store near you! Get them before they are gone. =20 Wait did we say only $45! You are correct. You get 4 days 3 nights of=20 camping, Views of the Sierra Nevadas and the Sacramento Valley, World=20 Class Headliners, Your favorite locals, Live Bands, Yoga, Swimming, Body=20 =20 painting, Henna, hooping, Guest Speakers talking about a variety of=20 subjects, friends, family and this warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing=20 that you are a part of something bigger then yourself! What more could=20 you want!=20 =20 Get your membership that allows you entrance into this years 9 year=20 anniversary at: =20 In Stores:=20 Skills Dj Workshop 2566a Telegraph Avenue Berkeley, CA 94704 (510) 704-9876=20 =20 Coming Soon to: UNITEDSTATE BOUTIQUE 1014 24th Street (24TH x JST) Midtown Sacramento California 916.444.7230 =20 Anubis warpus 1525 Haight St San Francisco, CA 94117 (415) 431-2218 =20 Recycled Records 4930 S Virginia Street Reno, NV 89502 (775) 826-4119=20 =20 ONLINE: WWW.GROOVETICKETS.COM KEYWORD: STILLDREAM =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- =20 Much love to you all! We'll see you soon when we all reunite the tribe=20 together in June at the 9 Year Anniversary! =20 Keep Dreaming, Living and Loving! Paul Plescov G.A.M.M.A. www.designsbygamma.com www.djgamma.com www.stilldream.org _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=C2=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut= orial_QuickAdd1_052009=0A=0A=0A --0-2073653082-1242307696=:90339-- From sfraves-return-150834-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 14 13:36:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93639 invoked by uid 1103); 14 May 2009 13:36:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93603 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 13:35:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242308183; bh=oR3NPenD3wtLgRtdcyZ4o7NrRr9RG2sQ2kjRvloC/CY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EYLTlK5hX6hiB9Ho0t2mU/JrtwC6ZtILLjSWuoqnsvGxxckgWXBjFzAte2AZfV8LGaQ5GYPNm98aPW1AgTG395AhITB+mhef7QmFTR/qkafLEkyNKkLxEgolGx+FPfw+uwvC21F7DVRvXtmYyZU9b0KnU8vXfo0yS03wzxGs10c= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EF+ETpGT8BU8lzlizOHToOLsiUm3fkiQCIN4UQzqnVI2QEouON8pW/zImBI8HdZMWMR04wwZRdTaiO0m+vnIXZLXOqhZ/zYK4HeYhq2lo+jiMwm1Enb9RoOj6XhH52z8LuEIUJ3HbUYRD0BSKFowpTQmR68Imb533Oy6nfGU7G0=; Message-ID: <811759.80115.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tAm08jgVM1nViC5fG9ElEyAqdCIjJfyjHG44zHTVYlPG35Wyk7oo2WK7j6aO2aIb2g8.cKgsf3VBskvIDLvza1UHXwgkYfvi6asAvbmCwgL3ckmqxiHwlqMl69oZMOjRSfo.XrD1NdU3pIu2xI.JkU9mDdC_hM0QM_z8XZ1GLtiQ2Zawg91RF_TliXQ1Z3c4i5Gf9GfopNBMxfyDBG7HOmn6LPDvKQ.AEjocMy9WbnNLhPTRR1rOS9GrzleqfmvEt0.1OGODvlxRpSbYJUjg4ciOGKNA2N.XYybHNt9WJFhARpuSFg8ByQZslX8pjCSzGno- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 06:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: baylove MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1451937475-1242308183=:80115" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] surgery..n --0-1451937475-1242308183=:80115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii good morning sfr.. so as most of you already know i've been dreading to go back into surgery, due to my recent mishaps with hopsitals and errors on me, well here i go again.. honestly i'm scared and i just hope for the best..just keep me in your thoughts and in your prayers. hope to see you soon.. love you -adriana --0-1451937475-1242308183=:80115-- From sfraves-return-150835-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 14 18:05:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73393 invoked by uid 1103); 14 May 2009 18:05:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73333 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 18:05:06 -0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0f5d03a1-5101-4968-a730-070762cb3515_" X-Originating-IP: [66.60.182.147] From: Paul Plescov To: , sf raves Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:04:09 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <149733.90339.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <149733.90339.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2009 18:04:09.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[6115C060:01C9D4BE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] BSP: Stilldream 9 Year Anniversary and Brand New Site! --_0f5d03a1-5101-4968-a730-070762cb3515_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yea we've been working so much on this years event and trying to spread the= word.=20 We just finished a 7 events / 4 weeks / 5 city tour that included: Berkeley= =2C San Franicisco=2C Sacramento=2C Reno and Davis. Just trying to keep the dream alive for us old schoolers! :) ~Paul=20 Date: Thu=2C 14 May 2009 06:28:16 -0700 From: eesiad1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: Stilldream 9 Year Anniversary and Brand New Sit= e! To: sfraves@hyperreal.org=3B gamma303@hotmail.com OMG paul you out did your self..this one should be rocking hard!! --- On Thu=2C 5/14/09=2C Paul Plescov wrote: From: Paul Plescov Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Stilldream 9 Year Anniversary and Brand New Site! To: "sf raves" Date: Thursday=2C May 14=2C 2009=2C 12:52 AM CHECK OUT THE NEW SITE: www.stilldream.org Here's the full anniversary lineup and info! Get your Stilldream Membership= s they are going quick! +++Stilldream 9 Year Anniversary Gathering+++ +++June 19=2C 20th & 21st=2C 2009+++ Now Prepare yourselves! UBERZONE VS. BASSBINTWINS MEDICINEDRUM Live! DOC MARTIN DAVE DRESDEN of Gabriel&Dresden VIBESQUAD =20 HEAVYWEIGHT DUB CHAMPION Live! RKIDZ of the LAWGIVERZ PITCHBLACK Live! JUPITER COLLAB PROJECT Live! FOREST GREEN HYPNOTECH DRAGN=92FLY KETHER Live! RIPPLE AUDIOVOID MR. ROGERS DOV ZAPPER Live! LYFE POM AFTAMATT MICHAEL LIU DR.SPOOK TI MONKEY DIRT RUFF HAUSER SPACE INVADER STEPHAN CARLOS ALFONZO SAUSEE G.A.M.M.A. NICK NYQUIL RIZIN MEK ALEKS ARIZE THA FRUITBAT Live! ADAM ANT ATOMONE DARKEMETH KNIFEYPAUL SEVENTHSWAMI Live! NILES EVINRUDE RECLIPSE THE DOCTOR CHRISTAFARI JON E. QWEST JEFF THOMPSON KELLY D. PHOKUS Live! SYCHOSIS RYAN KENDALL DJCHIPY MENER DANIEL FORMLESS PSY FI ADAMMATIC TIM MANAS TUPPERWARE BLUE MIKE MOSS ORNETTE OFFICER BUNCH JAY BIRD FUNK MF COVERT MOROCCO SLIM ELBERETH RDG BOB-O DAVID AARON MALACAI PSILOGOD CASTOPHER RIBBLE DJ WHORES SENTRY GENJI J.C. RESYNTHESIZE MINO EUGENE STEELE DIGITAL RUST JDUBZ UNAGI ITEKKI ANAMNESIS MANICONE PSYLENCE TOORANGIAN SPEKTRUM GRITPHILM DATGIRL PLANET SKIPPY EYE-RE-EYES BIRD OF PREY HEAVENLY FATHER MYKIES MC FILTHY TWITCH COI THE CONCHA DOME: NIGHT TIME: In the Concha Dome=2C come chill out for the After Hours Ambien= t Lounge.=20 Low Lighting=2C Ambient Music=2C Tarot and Palm Readings... You name it! A = great place to go rest and relax and take a break! * GUEST SPEAKERS - JEAN MILLAY=2C DAWON WASHINGTON & MORE ON THE WAY!=20 * ENERGY WORKSHOP BY KELLY D.=20 * SILK SCREENING * BRING YOUR MATTS FOR MORNING YOGA CLASS' * BODY PAINTING=2C HENNA * WEST AFRICAN DANCE CLASSES * DON'T KNOW HOW? LEARN HOW TO HOOP OR SPIN POI! GUIDED HIKES!=20 * BELLY DANCING CLASSES!=20 * PLUS MUCH MORE COMING SOON! Stilldream Membership Information: (How you get into the Anniversary Event) Early Bird Memberships are Sold out! Tier 2 Memberships now online for=20 only $45 and coming to a store near you! Get them before they are gone. =20 Wait did we say only $45! You are correct. You get 4 days 3 nights of=20 camping=2C Views of the Sierra Nevadas and the Sacramento Valley=2C World=20 Class Headliners=2C Your favorite locals=2C Live Bands=2C Yoga=2C Swimming= =2C Body=20 =20 painting=2C Henna=2C hooping=2C Guest Speakers talking about a variety of=20 subjects=2C friends=2C family and this warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing=20 that you are a part of something bigger then yourself! What more could=20 you want!=20 =20 Get your membership that allows you entrance into this years 9 year=20 anniversary at: =20 In Stores:=20 Skills Dj Workshop 2566a Telegraph Avenue Berkeley=2C CA 94704 (510) 704-9876=20 =20 Coming Soon to: UNITEDSTATE BOUTIQUE 1014 24th Street (24TH x JST) Midtown Sacramento California 916.444.7230 =20 Anubis warpus 1525 Haight St San Francisco=2C CA 94117 (415) 431-2218 =20 Recycled Records 4930 S Virginia Street Reno=2C NV 89502 (775) 826-4119=20 =20 ONLINE: WWW.GROOVETICKETS.COM KEYWORD: STILLDREAM =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- =20 Much love to you all! We'll see you soon when we all reunite the tribe=20 together in June at the 9 Year Anniversary! =20 Keep Dreaming=2C Living and Loving! Paul Plescov G.A.M.M.A. www.designsbygamma.com www.djgamma.com www.stilldream.org _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut= orial_QuickAdd1_052009 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE goes with you.=20 http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutor= ial_Mobile1_052009= --_0f5d03a1-5101-4968-a730-070762cb3515_-- From sfraves-return-150836-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 00:42:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30151 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 00:42:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30132 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 00:42:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4A0CBA98.3060603@defsf.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:43:04 -0700 From: sean ocean Organization: DEF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SFR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080305040200030206000309" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP:Radio Integrated ::5.15.9 The Pulse Crew Invades The Blissfactory --------------080305040200030206000309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit .. *What *"Pulse Night" on DEFsf.com's Radio Integrated *When *Friday May 15th, 2009 9pm-? PST *Where *Bliss Factory Studios & online: http://radio.defsf.com:1200// *Who *MEGAPOLE: Pulse Mik, DJ Mik, aka MEGAPOLE began spinning records in San Francisco. His musical tastes have spanned the entire electronic music spectrum throughout his 10 years behind the decks. Starting with house music he quickly ascended the BPM ladder and found himself ultimately coveting techno as his true love. However, this has never discouraged him from experimenting with anything that had a good beat and worked well on the dancefloor. Some other styles of music he enjoys spinning are hip hop, breaks, jungle, downtempo, funk, and soul. Born in Poland, Mik's love for music began at an early age as his uncles exposed him to everything from jazz to rock. A self-taught guitarist and drummer, Mik learned quickly that music comes from within one's soul. Combined with his love for records he is always pushing himself to evolve and grow as a DJ. Mik's experience ranges from playing underground parties in San Francisco to throwing his very own events. The most recent being Crush, which was held in the Temecula wine country. DHAMMA: Pulse | Goodbeats Dhamma has been in love with electronic music since the late 1980's. She moved to San Francisco in 1994 where she was introduced to the local rave culture. This forever changed her life. After years of attending parties, she could no longer just stand in front of the turntables. She began DJing in 1998 and enjoys spinning a variety of genres. While she is better known for playing driving house music, her favorite will always be techno. Dhamma's style is one of smooth transitions and flowing song progressions. You can hear her mixing it up on the goodbeats.com podcast and at upcoming events. ALIXR: Pulse | FnF | rEvolution Alixr is making a name for himself with his energizing blend of techno, tech house and electro. Co-founder of rEvolution and Pulse, and a contributing member of Friends & Family since 1995, his dedication and love for the scene is palpable. In addition to playing many of SF's hottest nightclubs such as Mighty, Temple, Harlot, Paradise Lounge and Shine, he's also a regular guest DJ at LA's legendary Moontribe full moon desert gatherings. Keep your eyes peeled for Alixr as he works his magic on a dancefloor near you! *How* Live DJ Sets, Interview and Internet Radio Broadcast http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ from 9pm - ? PST http://www.defsf.com/radiointegrated/integrated More random info and secret broadcasts: * subscribe:* radio-integrated-subscribe@defsf.com def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com as always: pm me if you'd like to party with us `;) Sean Ocean DEF. -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------080305040200030206000309 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------010508030208090107020207" --------------010508030208090107020207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ..


What
"Pulse Night" on DEFsf.com's Radio Integrated
When
Friday May 15th, 2009
9pm-? PST
Where
Bliss Factory Studios & online: http://radio.defsf.com:1200//

Who
MEGAPOLE:
Pulse Mik,   DJ Mik, aka MEGAPOLE began spinning records in San Francisco. His musical tastes have spanned the entire electronic music spectrum throughout his 10 years behind the decks. Starting with house music he quickly ascended the BPM ladder and found himself ultimately coveting techno as his true love. However, this has never discouraged him from experimenting with anything that had a good beat and worked well on the dancefloor. Some other styles of music he enjoys spinning are hip hop, breaks, jungle, downtempo, funk, and soul. Born in Poland, Mik's love for music began at an early age as his uncles exposed him to everything from jazz to rock. A self-taught guitarist and drummer, Mik learned quickly that music comes from within one's soul. Combined with his love for records he is always pushing himself to evolve and grow as a DJ. Mik's experience ranges from playing underground parties in San Francisco to throwing his very own events. The most recent being Crush, which was held in the Temecula wine country.

DHAMMA:
Pulse | Goodbeats   Dhamma has been in love with electronic music since the late 1980's. She moved to San Francisco in 1994 where she was introduced to the local rave culture. This forever changed her life. After years of attending parties, she could no longer just stand in front of the turntables. She began DJing in 1998 and enjoys spinning a variety of genres. While she is better known for playing driving house music, her favorite will always be techno. Dhamma's style is one of smooth transitions and flowing song progressions. You can hear her mixing it up on the goodbeats.com podcast and at upcoming events.

ALIXR:
Pulse | FnF | rEvolution Alixr is making a name for himself with his energizing blend of techno, tech house and electro. Co-founder of rEvolution and Pulse, and a contributing member of Friends & Family since 1995, his dedication and love for the scene is palpable. In addition to playing many of SF's hottest nightclubs such as Mighty, Temple, Harlot, Paradise Lounge and Shine, he's also a regular guest DJ at LA's legendary Moontribe full moon desert gatherings. Keep your eyes peeled for Alixr as he works his magic on a dancefloor near you!


How
Live DJ Sets, Interview and Internet Radio Broadcast


http://radio.defsf.com:1200/

from 9pm - ? PST
http://www.defsf.com/radiointegrated/integrated


More random info and secret broadcasts:

subscribe:

radio-integrated-subscribe@defsf.com
def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com

as always: pm me if you'd like to party with us `;)

Sean Ocean DEF.

-- 
++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++

Visit: http://www.defsf.com
west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events

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Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 01:54:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1784210322-1242377665=:9833" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --0-1784210322-1242377665=:9833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero and other= phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic planet. We need to kee= p it because it is priceless. Our culture is not something that needs to be= preserved. It is a culture that thrives on the unknown and the creation of= novelty. That is what our culture is all about. The creation of novelty is= what we are all about. That is why parties were so good and the music was = so good and y things were so good. It was all because it was always new. It= was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. Let's=A0overco= me timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say it was as if the no= thing never was. Dare to dream! =A0 This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as your own. Thi= s is our way of life and without this there is nothing but re-runs on telev= ision. =A0 May the Force be with you, Paulewog --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", whatever = that really is, is easily documented.=A0 Its the connection to 2012 and the= i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not the general notion of i= ncreasing novelty or the fractal form of such a "wave". Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is Vernor = VInge's idea od the singularity.=A0 In this view, its not that novelty ceas= es to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is generated in a short= period of time, that beings living just before and just after the singular= ity can't even communicate.=A0 Its not the end of history, its just the end= of the sort of history that our puny brains can understand. So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about sfraves is th= at not only could you find a list of parties, but you could have conversati= ons about these sorts of oddball ideas without being laughed off the stage.= =A0 Virtually speaking of course. Regards, Peter PS How Weird rocked! ----- Original Message ---- From: orotoro To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, compe= lling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of the= day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural focus = will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no=A0 one will no= tice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at= all. my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. '0ro+or0' On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wro= te: > What I remember from way back in the day was this >=20 > You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed par= ties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you c= ould choose from 4 different parties every saturday night >=20 > Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like month= s and months in advance. >=20 > Why is it not like that anymore? > It is because of timewave zero. > 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novelt= y. > Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only exi= st as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. >=20 >=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org =0A=0A=0A --0-1784210322-1242377665=:9833-- From sfraves-return-150838-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 09:20:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9653 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 09:20:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9632 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 09:20:43 -0000 Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: From: Jas Strong To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden In-Reply-To: <361204.9833.qm@web44805.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 02:21:04 -0700 References: <361204.9833.qm@web44805.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about how much better it was in the past. TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. -J. On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero > and other phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic > planet. We need to keep it because it is priceless. Our culture is > not something that needs to be preserved. It is a culture that > thrives on the unknown and the creation of novelty. That is what our > culture is all about. The creation of novelty is what we are all > about. That is why parties were so good and the music was so good > and y things were so good. It was all because it was always new. It > was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. Let's > overcome timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say it was > as if the nothing never was. Dare to dream! > > This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as your > own. This is our way of life and without this there is nothing but > re-runs on television. > > May the Force be with you, > Paulewog > > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich- > Hayden" > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM > > > > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", > whatever that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection > to 2012 and the i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not > the general notion of increasing novelty or the fractal form of such > a "wave". > > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is > Vernor VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not that > novelty ceases to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is > generated in a short period of time, that beings living just before > and just after the singularity can't even communicate. Its not the > end of history, its just the end of the sort of history that our > puny brains can understand. > > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about > sfraves is that not only could you find a list of parties, but you > could have conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without > being laughed off the stage. Virtually speaking of course. > > Regards, > > Peter > > PS How Weird rocked! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: orotoro > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while > entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new > agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant > inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when > 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift in > consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. > > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. > > '0ro+or0' > > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden > wrote: > >> What I remember from way back in the day was this >> >> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that >> listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot >> of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every >> saturday night >> >> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like >> months and months in advance. >> >> Why is it not like that anymore? >> It is because of timewave zero. >> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of >> novelty. >> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will >> only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150839-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 09:36:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27529 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 09:36:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27507 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 09:36:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 884414.39269.bm@omp203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242380233; bh=Dt/P/UnATQdlLeiKwKB6pgbXwV1L/Hgc7FHex3OxX8s=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KG4PR7T2fdIuUlRH5HaeZvr5cCXFqDCVd8lWCIZcfRebB2i5WoegQlHvZOESZ2TVdI+gZhtEfUY9KPrCEpG1eTApL9fcdngL9tbQ16JDCfj7UkviIRgy/yIlo2qVCwOwy/mXK7aaUONp1BzWdOrzcc021vJ9cpkHdNK501cCTMs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1E0K3Iclxnqsyc9BcJHMwWF0Suy/yYCBeYfCmmQCZVHZAzxd3jvA4ivljHc5FABhtqWXuoixCXAvl49VvIueGpaoPCaMi3bLFwmU37baW42yz31+moAvNZnf2iLn/OxSQQVRQJX5OzEF5zmoXxA3Mup0Q+seD64Vb/hEoTYI1o0=; Message-ID: <627018.75962.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fuHx7zMVM1lAB75zE8tSDjmQ1oGF4NutrWY6FyPmiyNsDQGCdtSMp0B9FBuj1dHJkFu7AcOX0cNYNLFtWQiGMDPEWQZ.gAebvYyLzCh4vGDnDrZR1.H1Qwq.DwhYhJHgOEhnP._Vt1tX_bnGH2puJnxtDEvpUHUI3euZX6Umu4vjg690u8pNCfh3rES7mknspmjZ6Cdpe0JyIKUm5RgHiV1QAGnwDD_m9V3aLSDXh62kiQAzu81RMcRhqQob36qN0MlHvUOQ4jF.kLcykfqUvPlW2v5f2llJxzOiNPz2o5dgoV5RnBuuSEugXLk3SrJpqnrA19C7rINobglmCtAP.o4B2A-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 02:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden To: Jas Strong Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-505069713-1242380233=:75962" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --0-505069713-1242380233=:75962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The future is missing something though. I think what it is missing is calle= d the present. Everything happens now in the present. The future is just a concept. The tr= anscendental object at the end of time is deceptive. Time is only relative = to the person experiencing it. Memory is a trick. Whoever thinks the future is something that is ahead has= been lied to. =A0 Novelty Novelty Novelty Warp factor 7 =A0 Love, Wall-E-Pog =A0 --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jas Strong wrote: From: Jas Strong Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:21 AM Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about how much b= etter it was in the past. TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. -J. On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero and oth= er phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic planet. We need to k= eep it because it is priceless. Our culture is not something that needs to = be preserved. It is a culture that thrives on the unknown and the creation = of novelty. That is what our culture is all about. The creation of novelty = is what we are all about. That is why parties were so good and the music wa= s so good and y things were so good. It was all because it was always new. = It was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. Let's overco= me timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say it was as if the no= thing never was. Dare to dream! >=20 > This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as your own. T= his is our way of life and without this there is nothing but re-runs on tel= evision. >=20 > May the Force be with you, > Paulewog >=20 > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >=20 >=20 > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", whateve= r that really is, is easily documented.=A0 Its the connection to 2012 and t= he i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not the general notion of= increasing novelty or the fractal form of such a "wave". >=20 > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is Verno= r VInge's idea od the singularity.=A0 In this view, its not that novelty ce= ases to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is generated in a sho= rt period of time, that beings living just before and just after the singul= arity can't even communicate.=A0 Its not the end of history, its just the e= nd of the sort of history that our puny brains can understand. >=20 > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about sfraves is = that not only could you find a list of parties, but you could have conversa= tions about these sorts of oddball ideas without being laughed off the stag= e.=A0 Virtually speaking of course. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Peter >=20 > PS How Weird rocked! >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: orotoro > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero >=20 > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, com= pelling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of t= he day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural focu= s will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no=A0 one will = notice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens = at all. >=20 > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. >=20 > '0ro+or0' >=20 > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden w= rote: >=20 >> What I remember from way back in the day was this >>=20 >> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed pa= rties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you = could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night >>=20 >> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like mont= hs and months in advance. >>=20 >> Why is it not like that anymore? >> It is because of timewave zero. >> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novel= ty. >> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only ex= ist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =0A=0A=0A --0-505069713-1242380233=:75962-- From sfraves-return-150840-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 10:45:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12477 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 10:45:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12446 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 10:45:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=DgKg/4BfyuXzz20PB/Uenrq+iRcrmIK0TpDGrHQP6as=; b=uRDQNcU6jO+OWikU2R793K1ahoqSKPmNMkLH1QicaQzYmF1Bg9aPFcQuRCUasRlnxO /DB8bfU1skptsq0q7Jo57Zx32uAbqpJu6bc7iUCHNht9ZnBTyKjgamdpbKvCfKwAX87R cZEGilClXthEk2M7CSWT+kEMjKKdB/dm8zSGU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ABqjOF08RN8KXi+6xsMY8M5i94luIXJTCogv0j7aQJXvMNC/FfcTVKtWl00m48p0V3 YoV7G17UnPBq2eZ6KYOCYoceyNqLhnOjH7hKndOIgRYieiiEI3Lr4L9JWR0XCgj3t5P4 Sv5QPZlfdsWeUNDEHuXbTTwwthlZQApeEQ8Gw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: digitalcomponents@gmail.com Reply-To: DigitalKomponents@googlemail.com In-Reply-To: <627018.75962.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <627018.75962.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:45:57 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 37654183c7abcf41 Message-ID: <7237bf9f0905150345u5a4b8beaqb7a7564fe7001019@mail.gmail.com> From: Nyc Labrets To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden Cc: Jas Strong , dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636417591533b7a0469f12673 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --001636417591533b7a0469f12673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>From the Afterward of Zen & The Art of >Motorcycle Maintenance: *This book has a lot to say about Ancient Greek perspectives and their > meaning but there is one perspective it misses. That is their view of time. > They saw the future as something that came upon them from behind their backs > with the past receding away before their eyes.* > > *When you think about it, that's a more accurate metaphor than our present > one. Who really can face the future? All you can do is project from the > past, even when the past shows that such projections are often wrong. And > who really can forget the past? What else is there to know? * > http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/Quality/PirsigZen/afterword.html For some reason this thread has put me in mind of an old Bob and Ray radio skit about the driving of the Golden Spike in Promontory Point, Utah that marked the completion of the Trans-Continental Railroad system. One theory about the Mayan 2012 Calendar is that they simply ran out of ideas, and nothing more. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. In the Bob and Ray skit they're driving in the Golden Spike, the train approaches and... it runs out of track. Google is useless in tracking the clip down. If anybody on here is friends with Ray's kid, Chris Elliot, please ask him where I can find it. My ex in NYC has the bit on a piece of vinyl I left behind when I moved, but I'll be damned if I'm going to to her for it. Thanks! On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Paul Simcovich-Hayden < paulewogsf@yahoo.com> wrote: > > The future is missing something though. I think what it is missing is called the present. > Everything happens now in the present. The future is just a concept. The transcendental object at the end of time is deceptive. Time is only relative to the person experiencing it. > Memory is a trick. Whoever thinks the future is something that is ahead has been lied to. > > Novelty Novelty Novelty > Warp factor 7 > > Love, > Wall-E-Pog > > > > --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jas Strong wrote: > > > From: Jas Strong > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" > Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:21 AM > > > > Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about how much better it was in the past. > > TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. > > -J. > > On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > > > Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero and other phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic planet. We need to keep it because it is priceless. Our culture is not something that needs to be preserved. It is a culture that thrives on the unknown and the creation of novelty. That is what our culture is all about. The creation of novelty is what we are all about. That is why parties were so good and the music was so good and y things were so good. It was all because it was always new. It was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. Let's overcome timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say it was as if the nothing never was. Dare to dream! > > > > This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as your own. This is our way of life and without this there is nothing but re-runs on television. > > > > May the Force be with you, > > Paulewog > > > > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" < paulewogsf@yahoo.com> > > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM > > > > > > > > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", whatever that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection to 2012 and the i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not the general notion of increasing novelty or the fractal form of such a "wave". > > > > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is Vernor VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not that novelty ceases to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is generated in a short period of time, that beings living just before and just after the singularity can't even communicate. Its not the end of history, its just the end of the sort of history that our puny brains can understand. > > > > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about sfraves is that not only could you find a list of parties, but you could have conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without being laughed off the stage. Virtually speaking of course. > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter > > > > PS How Weird rocked! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: orotoro > > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > > > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. > > > > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. > > > > '0ro+or0' > > > > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > > > >> What I remember from way back in the day was this > >> > >> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night > >> > >> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like months and months in advance. > >> > >> Why is it not like that anymore? > >> It is because of timewave zero. > >> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novelty. > >> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would rather burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes." PirateBay FTW --001636417591533b7a0469f12673-- From sfraves-return-150841-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 14:24:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97789 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 14:24:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97755 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 14:24:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242397471; bh=r99Cwssuns7O+ZlCdldvuIoo9lTirmvu0BoTM0XfPmo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I+xxiNdKwXIeNY8R6WCESeIXXm9FZEQ8HAXDfB6V0qlPTJUpoJscr/GMo8K3mLxuA5KREYM93/N3SFg6lkjcWuQK0rWJHt60XvTeFXywTaN/mFpKZQHP2aOYWoMetfI6l1Gdm5c0yXCrzfsWhWHmiOlBGRa5JvT2hKOv9xZYlMo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NA9DZZz8yd7B7LS9gd23kLwFvBQNip5Ol5gFQYmTb8ZwpvHa5fScEMv2fdD1St8rxRlCLUmiGcPeSrNQeb+WnW7vHIM2J9DjpUB1fITjjr2SWJkpyPdhcbS1nkqyh9XXKsvCj0sS6n/codv9dS4uVhOtGUzievCGo1WHK5XYLEo=; Message-ID: <559150.94092.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 4HvHdTgVM1l5f1lCOFh9mhT6nf11RHqcOSqsSaxotnB46JCF1zyvHlj9iKJ6eGw4Pa39gJjSXXzAGLSAfy_zQRkq4MwT9NpmAXI0.DZSFMZGb.hHNq57L4KYm0pgDdr7f9uPbZIZQWAK4_7SUu0SrDEYawy0wBpdXdgsrq49C9tuNc4Znd7EllkzLd.jLJP2ITKXirEu7CTc3dAByMnpohrgjQLh3QMAwKZ7ThJhvdQvpaCs3VbZE2SoHTSkSdM.vKTWxPooNpwMUmOeyZBediO6N3I1Pzyr6Gw6RhTcs.W.zF6sAz.mAXT9WlNyMLLb3NmsQpH0VjDoXhRax_kpdW6VeWdG.w-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <627018.75962.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , Jas Strong Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <627018.75962.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1694004384-1242397471=:94092" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --0-1694004384-1242397471=:94092 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This formulation of time has a number of problems; in particular, without the passage of time it is unclear how anything happens. If there is only one moment, NOW, how can there be causality at all? We may be close to understanding this actually, and the answer I think is revealed in your posting: memory. You are correct in pointing out that past and future only make sense in the context of a memory of some sort which records events as they happen, but if you think about it, the entire universe acts as exactly this sort of memory. Consider the proverbial tree falling in the forest. Even if no one observes its falling, if we later visit the forest we will see a fallen tree. The act of falling has already happened and is "remembered" by the universe itself in the form of the fallen tree. Something that the universe "remembers" in this way is in the past even if there is no person to observe its falling. At one level this whole question of causality is an illusion. The universe is just one big "thing" that's not really a "thing" by any reasonable definition of the word. So in some sense the universe just "is" right now. Nothing can happen, because there's no "thing" for it to happen to. That's the level of absolute truth, but unfortunately for most of us it is not the level at which we exist, understand, or experience our lives. The question of the "illusion" of time then is whether this apparent change, novelty, that we experience is simply an illusion or whether the underlying fabric of the universe includes some sort of "motility"; that is, is there is some notion of action or activity inherent in existence? The answer FWIW appears to be yes. If you are interested in this sort of stuff, I'd like to recommend delving deep into quantum mechanics; a good text is Penrose's Road to Reality if you have a strong math background. On the spiritual side, consider Herbert Guenther's seminal three volume set *Kindly Bent to Ease Us* based on the writings of Tibetan scholar Longchenpa. >From volume 3: "Openess and radiance belong to the domain of experience without which they would lose all meaning, as a dynamic process experience is imbued with and becomes structured intentionality. This very dynamic is tendential (rig-pa) in that it exhibits certain tendancies and dispositions to relate and arrange the content of experience as meant." Ok its too early in the AM to make sense out of that probably... Best, Peter ________________________________ From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden To: Jas Strong Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:37:13 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero The future is missing something though. I think what it is missing is called the present. Everything happens now in the present. The future is just a concept. The transcendental object at the end of time is deceptive. Time is only relative to the person experiencing it. Memory is a trick. Whoever thinks the future is something that is ahead has been lied to. Novelty Novelty Novelty Warp factor 7 Love, Wall-E-Pog --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jas Strong wrote: From: Jas Strong Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:21 AM Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about how much better it was in the past. TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. -J. On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero and other phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic planet. We need to keep it because it is priceless. Our culture is not something that needs to be preserved. It is a culture that thrives on the unknown and the creation of novelty. That is what our culture is all about. The creation of novelty is what we are all about. That is why parties were so good and the music was so good and y things were so good. It was all because it was always new. It was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. Let's overcome timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say it was as if the nothing never was. Dare to dream! > > This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as your own. This is our way of life and without this there is nothing but re-runs on television. > > May the Force be with you, > Paulewog > > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM > > > > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", whatever that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection to 2012 and the i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not the general notion of increasing novelty or the fractal form of such a "wave". > > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is Vernor VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not that novelty ceases to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is generated in a short period of time, that beings living just before and just after the singularity can't even communicate. Its not the end of history, its just the end of the sort of history that our puny brains can understand. > > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about sfraves is that not only could you find a list of parties, but you could have conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without being laughed off the stage. Virtually speaking of course. > > Regards, > > Peter > > PS How Weird rocked! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: orotoro > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. > > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. > > '0ro+or0' > > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > >> What I remember from way back in the day was this >> >> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night >> >> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like months and months in advance. >> >> Why is it not like that anymore? >> It is because of timewave zero. >> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novelty. >> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --0-1694004384-1242397471=:94092-- From sfraves-return-150842-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 17:36:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62835 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 17:36:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62811 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 17:36:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.C." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090515103548.Q32429@kzsu.stanford.edu> References: <361204.9833.qm@web44805.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 171.66.118.47 X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (kzsu.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 15 May 2009 10:36:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero On 15 May 2009, Jas Strong wrote: > > Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about how much > better it was in the past. Would love to hear about what it is you're doing! Others are trying to create the future too! > > TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. > > -J. > -- San Francisco Bay Guardian's Readers Choice Award Winner: Best Radio DJ: http://www.sfbg.com/promo/pollpositions.php AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) "Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of KZSU Radio or Stanford University." (or words to that effect.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150843-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 18:09:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20233 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 18:09:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20189 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 18:09:04 -0000 From: orotoro To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <559150.94092.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <627018.75962.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <559150.94092.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3FC24A1D-7AA0-405F-8C7A-C34A5D8A5468@technoprisoners.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:09:27 -0700 Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , Jas Strong , sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Our primate evolved minds seem bound by 3 dimensions. We have a sense of the 4th, but it is vague. If we could perceive time as we could spatial dimensions, meaning could walk the 4th dimension as we do the 3 that make up physical space as we know it, what would it be like? Are our minds/bodies capable of traversing time as we traverse space to the kitchen to get a beer? Why not just "walk" over to 2012, as it were, and have a look? 3D vs. 4D perception. Time as a landscape as the McKennas postulate? Is time not a surface just like the floor? If time were my floor, then what is that gum spot that I haven't cleaned up from the other night? Is that a patch of novelty or habit? Perhaps the eschaton is just that: the ascension of our minds to walk the 4th dimension, turning time flies into fruit flies. heh, andy On May 15, 2009, at 7:24 AM, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > This formulation of time has a number of problems; in particular, > without the passage of time it is unclear how anything happens. If > there is only one moment, NOW, how can there be causality at all? > We may be close to understanding this actually, and the answer I > think is revealed in your posting: memory. > > You are correct in pointing out that past and future only make sense > in the context of a memory of some sort which records events as they > happen, but if you think about it, the entire universe acts as > exactly this sort of memory. > > Consider the proverbial tree falling in the forest. Even if no one > observes its falling, if we later visit the forest we will see a > fallen tree. The act of falling has already happened and is > "remembered" by the universe itself in the form of the fallen tree. > Something that the universe "remembers" in this way is in the past > even if there is no person to observe its falling. > > At one level this whole question of causality is an illusion. The > universe is just one big "thing" that's not really a "thing" by any > reasonable definition of the word. So in some sense the universe > just "is" right now. Nothing can happen, because there's no "thing" > for it to happen to. That's the level of absolute truth, but > unfortunately for most of us it is not the level at which we exist, > understand, or experience our lives. > > The question of the "illusion" of time then is whether this apparent > change, novelty, that we experience is simply an illusion or whether > the underlying fabric of the universe includes some sort of > "motility"; that is, is there is some notion of action or activity > inherent in existence? The answer FWIW appears to be yes. > > If you are interested in this sort of stuff, I'd like to recommend > delving deep into quantum mechanics; a good text is Penrose's Road > to Reality if you have a strong math background. On the spiritual > side, consider Herbert Guenther's seminal three volume set *Kindly > Bent to Ease Us* based on the writings of Tibetan scholar Longchenpa. > > From volume 3: > > "Openess and radiance belong to the domain of experience without > which they would lose all meaning, as a dynamic process experience > is imbued with and becomes structured intentionality. This very > dynamic is tendential (rig-pa) in that it exhibits certain > tendancies and dispositions to relate and arrange the content of > experience as meant." > > Ok its too early in the AM to make sense out of that probably... > > Best, > > Peter > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > To: Jas Strong > Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:37:13 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > > The future is missing something though. I think what it is missing > is called the present. > Everything happens now in the present. The future is just a concept. > The transcendental object at the end of time is deceptive. Time is > only relative to the person experiencing it. > Memory is a trick. Whoever thinks the future is something that is > ahead has been lied to. > > Novelty Novelty Novelty > Warp factor 7 > > Love, > Wall-E-Pog > > > > --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jas Strong wrote: > > > From: Jas Strong > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" > Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:21 AM > > > > Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about how > much better it was in the past. > > TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. > > -J. > > On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > >> Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero >> and other phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic >> planet. We need to keep it because it is priceless. Our culture is >> not something that needs to be preserved. It is a culture that >> thrives on the unknown and the creation of novelty. That is what >> our culture is all about. The creation of novelty is what we are >> all about. That is why parties were so good and the music was so >> good and y things were so good. It was all because it was always >> new. It was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. >> Let's overcome timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say >> it was as if the nothing never was. Dare to dream! >> >> This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as your >> own. This is our way of life and without this there is nothing but >> re-runs on television. >> >> May the Force be with you, >> Paulewog >> >> --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> wrote: >> >> >> From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave >> zero >> To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich- >> Hayden" >> Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" >> Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM >> >> >> >> On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", >> whatever that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection >> to 2012 and the i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not >> the general notion of increasing novelty or the fractal form of >> such a "wave". >> >> Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is >> Vernor VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not that >> novelty ceases to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is >> generated in a short period of time, that beings living just before >> and just after the singularity can't even communicate. Its not the >> end of history, its just the end of the sort of history that our >> puny brains can understand. >> >> So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about >> sfraves is that not only could you find a list of parties, but you >> could have conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without >> being laughed off the stage. Virtually speaking of course. >> >> Regards, >> >> Peter >> >> PS How Weird rocked! >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: orotoro >> To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden >> Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave >> zero >> >> I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while >> entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new >> agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant >> inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when >> 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift >> in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. >> >> my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. >> >> '0ro+or0' >> >> On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden > > wrote: >> >>> What I remember from way back in the day was this >>> >>> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that >>> listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a >>> lot of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every >>> saturday night >>> >>> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance >>> like months and months in advance. >>> >>> Why is it not like that anymore? >>> It is because of timewave zero. >>> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of >>> novelty. >>> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will >>> only exist as holograms of our past selves. 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DEUCE - ghetto house, booty bass, old school jams, & dirty rap - Saturday @ Anu This Saturday we return to the 'hood to celebrate the superfreak in us all. The first one was so damn much fun, we just had to do it again! Crack open a 40, fire up dem bluntz, put on yo thizz face, and get ready to SHAKE WHAT YO MOMMA GAVE YA one more time! ______________________________________________________ With boombox rockers: KEITH KEMP - ghetto house classics (Planet E . Beretta Grey) MARC SMITH - booty bass * (Auralism . Nightlight) w/ mc ZURI V. on the freaky flows ANTHONY MANSFIELD - old school electro & breaks (Green Gorilla Lounge . Hector Works) & Greg Bird aka DJ THIZZMORE - dirty rap & hood jams (Brown and Round . Kontrol) * Due to some computer problems last time, Marc Smith was unable to perform the special set he had prepared. Since it was going to be a shit load of fun...we're calling for a "do over"! _______________________________________________________ Anu Bar 43 6th Street, SF 9pm-2am / 21+ / $7 $3 Pacificos / $3 MGDs / $4 Guinness --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150846-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 19:32:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46292 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 19:32:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46259 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 19:32:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Hqb9SAya6g1YgrD4bEu5muVepD8hmk3/Q0vqtT2dJ7M=; b=DxhVrXmGpHMbW9/sSM+Sm9r8VhW4tTfu0g/gqNOFk0iteAsthBepHmCWUhtNEkruMy gIHy4BI+FVUQXMe18lp4be5ahOh3UDEXXAW5iiKastr9WZIyf1pDLBI3gVjKuyHM+K/T AgHETg0f8xCpadDv4nomS7K4uVNwrDbRNWGGE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=RDyK9fdT6ZxVDZORxY8Ex7T6AECotQe+ZGVWUJJesvMCxRLASLNWbYAylG4g9Oi/r4 J1xeXjT3RYPA8g/98YoDNEBDGNSaRkuuIhWAc6xcPZnOqV9ZqWvqoaMGWv0fXqPY9Fy6 Ich8xyynCJtVBg6f5BHQ+4Y7iLtwxOzNIHTzw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:32:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1c60b9300905151232q3e6c7722x96b87fa2b784513c@mail.gmail.com> From: Greg Bird To: SFRaves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp: AFTERGLOW - an evening of mellow electronics - Sunday @ Nickie's - FREE! AFTERGLOW was conceived as a chance to wind down after a long weekend by listening to some chill music and having a few drinks with friends. The idea is to allow some of SF's most talented and multi-faceted dance music DJ's an opportunity to dig deeper into their collections and play music they wouldn't be able to in a club setting. Anything's game, from ambient to dub techno, idm, atmospheric drum n bass, downtempo, future jazz, deep house and beyond. ____________________________________________________ This month's special guests: NIKITA (non-fat, listed) & JASON KENDIG (honey sound system) plus residents: Mike Perry, Matt Wilder, and Greg Bird _____________________________________________________ *Celebrating Mike and Matt's May birthdays* $3 Dos Equis + $6 Don Julio Blanco shots all night! _____________________________________________________ Located @ the all new: NICKIE'S 466 Haight Street, SF 9pm - 2am / FREE *new hours, now starts an hour earlier* flyer: http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h320/bird415/AG05.png event website: http://www.afterglowsf.com venue info: http://www.yelp.com/biz/nickies-san-francisco friend us @: http://www.myspace.com/afterglowsf ____________________________________________________ Come on, admit it! Aren't you curious to hear what they're going to play? Hope to see you out. Full bar, yummy food til 1am, and as always, it's FREE! Let's get mellow. :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150847-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 19:32:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47362 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 19:32:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47344 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 19:32:47 -0000 Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <559150.94092.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--31700758 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:33:07 -0700 References: <627018.75962.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <559150.94092.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --Apple-Mail-1--31700758 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Feynman would disagree. It seems that, for at least some interpretations of the Standard Model, time is orientable; that is, the Universe is a big holographic object that extends both directions in time; for a more readily comprehensible model of this, imagine a cellular automaton such as Conway's Life. This is normally visualized as a two-dimensional array of cells which can be "full" or "empty", and whose future state depends upon the current state. Another way of visualizing this is as a three-dimensional stack of sheets of cells, with the stacks above the current sheet being previous iterations and the stacks below the current sheet being future iterations. The Universe as we see it is a slice of a higher-dimensional object. (Huxley would have loved this.) But how, you may ask, could we have freedom of action in a cellular automaton? This comes about in our model because given a particular set of Conway's Life cells, there are many possible configurations that can have led to that set; it is not possible to determine from the final result which particular configuration was ultimately responsible for the current state. Since the system is orientable wrt time, the direction of Time's Arrow is relevant only in the choice of rules that are used to generate the ongoing evolution of the system. Thus a system that is deterministic from the point of view of ascending time may in fact be nondeterministic when viewed from the opposing direction. Now, to finish this research I will need a massive computer and a really great random number generator... -J. On 15 May 2009, at 07:24, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > This formulation of time has a number of problems; in particular, > without the passage of time it is unclear how anything happens. If > there is only one moment, NOW, how can there be causality at all? > We may be close to understanding this actually, and the answer I > think is revealed in your posting: memory. > > You are correct in pointing out that past and future only make sense > in the context of a memory of some sort which records events as they > happen, but if you think about it, the entire universe acts as > exactly this sort of memory. > > Consider the proverbial tree falling in the forest. Even if no one > observes its falling, if we later visit the forest we will see a > fallen tree. The act of falling has already happened and is > "remembered" by the universe itself in the form of the fallen tree. > Something that the universe "remembers" in this way is in the past > even if there is no person to observe its falling. > > At one level this whole question of causality is an illusion. The > universe is just one big "thing" that's not really a "thing" by any > reasonable definition of the word. So in some sense the universe > just "is" right now. Nothing can happen, because there's no "thing" > for it to happen to. That's the level of absolute truth, but > unfortunately for most of us it is not the level at which we exist, > understand, or experience our lives. > > The question of the "illusion" of time then is whether this apparent > change, novelty, that we experience is simply an illusion or whether > the underlying fabric of the universe includes some sort of > "motility"; that is, is there is some notion of action or activity > inherent in existence? The answer FWIW appears to be yes. > > If you are interested in this sort of stuff, I'd like to recommend > delving deep into quantum mechanics; a good text is Penrose's Road > to Reality if you have a strong math background. On the spiritual > side, consider Herbert Guenther's seminal three volume set *Kindly > Bent to Ease Us* based on the writings of Tibetan scholar Longchenpa. > > From volume 3: > > "Openess and radiance belong to the domain of experience without > which they would lose all meaning, as a dynamic process experience > is imbued with and becomes structured intentionality. This very > dynamic is tendential (rig-pa) in that it exhibits certain > tendancies and dispositions to relate and arrange the content of > experience as meant." > > Ok its too early in the AM to make sense out of that probably... > > Best, > > Peter > > From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > To: Jas Strong > Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:37:13 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > The future is missing something though. I think what it is missing > is called the present. > Everything happens now in the present. The future is just a concept. > The transcendental object at the end of time is deceptive. Time is > only relative to the person experiencing it. > Memory is a trick. Whoever thinks the future is something that is > ahead has been lied to. > > Novelty Novelty Novelty > Warp factor 7 > > Love, > Wall-E-Pog > > > > --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jas Strong wrote: > > From: Jas Strong > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" > Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:21 AM > > > Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about how > much better it was in the past. > > TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. > > -J. > > On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > > > Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero > and other phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic > planet. We need to keep it because it is priceless. Our culture is > not something that needs to be preserved. It is a culture that > thrives on the unknown and the creation of novelty. That is what our > culture is all about. The creation of novelty is what we are all > about. That is why parties were so good and the music was so good > and y things were so good. It was all because it was always new. It > was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. Let's > overcome timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say it was > as if the nothing never was. Dare to dream! > > > > This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as your > own. This is our way of life and without this there is nothing but > re-runs on television. > > > > May the Force be with you, > > Paulewog > > > > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com > wrote: > > > > > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave > zero > > To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich- > Hayden" > > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM > > > > > > > > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", > whatever that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection > to 2012 and the i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not > the general notion of increasing novelty or the fractal form of such > a "wave". > > > > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, > is Vernor VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not > that novelty ceases to be generated, but rather that so much novelty > is generated in a short period of time, that beings living just > before and just after the singularity can't even communicate. Its > not the end of history, its just the end of the sort of history that > our puny brains can understand. > > > > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about > sfraves is that not only could you find a list of parties, but you > could have conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without > being laughed off the stage. Virtually speaking of course. > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter > > > > PS How Weird rocked! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: orotoro > > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave > zero > > > > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while > entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new > agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant > inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when > 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift in > consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. > > > > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands > on. > > > > '0ro+or0' > > > > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden > wrote: > > > >> What I remember from way back in the day was this > >> > >> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that > listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot > of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every saturday > night > >> > >> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance > like months and months in advance. > >> > >> Why is it not like that anymore? > >> It is because of timewave zero. > >> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end > of novelty. > >> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will > only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. > >> > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > --Apple-Mail-1--31700758-- From sfraves-return-150848-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 20:21:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11764 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 20:21:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11741 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 20:21:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242418934; bh=aLOH6glVlmM9tvTTVknaspG9Z/ucQLb7+afnh9GgYWU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b3RQ5PpexbL6fVvIj8jcaai9jvMn3dGpbOLXEDr9/mxLA2r8a/IP6qu7dXhjxuMHuWZWPFz6i4Zq6hCRGdAlLlsnjKLu7FrUQjyzgUULZzIN1kwQEOfUhCIQMeLvOWFAneiMPt8Stu1Upb4Gk6X/EEPo7hmK0Iae5N+n5YYDG2k= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=17rL2MZVwq7/wtQ9ybOTl2b3OLVyBoT7OpYUesnbZFzy8iZosVvHEydreJSICcKcUQn7uQzlCwFsP5sIOXCTbA+5kSCAjCGyKRGPuwdA7AJACz6TVX5gQ04ongPX+M6nAJfmELw91ZRUGSlrE8Xrx4tGHKlrCTHDa0pnbROdB6g=; Message-ID: <990162.7940.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ouK2XbIVM1kOI6qOB.QTWDdiS4Omswf09QKpxZmcXgf6bXDHh2L35wpHjRerMTsAj4q1oGvNTn2SBIT4BjrjyxqB.g72EEflX1EeOSgmdfUtb68J7gs_yfwmluKgt14msWXHdsulR6Q5GKtmScAjUMDy61.q1OvDANXwvl2gxmZIy33yLh6WcybJdZsEMxBYVkMdbpCR7dy_IoYffZashEv9tcONyg6QRNIDgI90mtJxd6H2rSLo07GzlNXCubqTMJT4e2jxWydRQ.V2ej_FpKt0Yb27lUCQLdWMkKVARfM6E0xCJWDRtzDhLocuSA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <1c60b9300905151229s707928ddib789b03404f6c2a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:22:13 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: Greg Bird , SFRaves In-Reply-To: <1c60b9300905151229s707928ddib789b03404f6c2a7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] bsp: HOOPTY! DEUCE - ghetto house, booty bass, old school jams, & dirty rap - Saturday @ Anu DJ Thizzmore?! HAHA, so dope, Mr. Bird. ----- Original Message ---- From: Greg Bird To: SFRaves Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:29:16 PM Subject: [sfraves] bsp: HOOPTY! DEUCE - ghetto house, booty bass, old school jams, & dirty rap - Saturday @ Anu This Saturday we return to the 'hood to celebrate the superfreak in us all. The first one was so damn much fun, we just had to do it again! Crack open a 40, fire up dem bluntz, put on yo thizz face, and get ready to SHAKE WHAT YO MOMMA GAVE YA one more time! ______________________________________________________ With boombox rockers: KEITH KEMP - ghetto house classics (Planet E . Beretta Grey) MARC SMITH - booty bass * (Auralism . Nightlight) w/ mc ZURI V. on the freaky flows ANTHONY MANSFIELD - old school electro & breaks (Green Gorilla Lounge . Hector Works) & Greg Bird aka DJ THIZZMORE - dirty rap & hood jams (Brown and Round . Kontrol) * Due to some computer problems last time, Marc Smith was unable to perform the special set he had prepared. Since it was going to be a shit load of fun...we're calling for a "do over"! _______________________________________________________ Anu Bar 43 6th Street, SF 9pm-2am / 21+ / $7 $3 Pacificos / $3 MGDs / $4 Guinness --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150849-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 21:40:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23526 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 21:40:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23503 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 21:40:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242423677; bh=bN6N/SXyQopGbXqqAAEaJVzXpL/jgv3R+XJ86+gi+Xo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t3JiiDshAr7gswC8PpmE3lzsMBL9HfNBAyLGAvmncoaA3xlRnL9EqCB8w9lXrl36tT/HSVXj/7OvMb8KXee1xdu829vpmHHrKJl2Q1GTHxsOWJJsRofvq4qtN6Lh6akCPuUjQ5r4DB2OXwmoY041E3mvLQitOcz8I6Xcf87foO8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c+5VlyDkO8tJbDdMjCg3QffnnS7074GMfoxgQ98jJS9Q/pGRUU4+7uTzKMvTxTJNLPv7jw3aFe4ko0X0kKUAIZGoF4OvXcvto2+jfaGRWDf6DdcBIBPgCXnm9fa/3KRvsj5uA/+PM7GPl7XyfqHTmpkA5xoICqJfJEdXxXvnv2g=; Message-ID: <776909.84766.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: bAUbNZcVM1nvafTBOCHDXMLsvCkzOW6bhucgCrDsVajT3_I.49CONgJIseEsSOMUlUWbLnQpxdE9_nmbQvHdvwCey.XhZgYB6jjnORcO5QyZpBYyBFWFdV12bF0_Tv2CTSNQdSrr5YU0j_T77qWCz6Mb0zkb.YR83JolMMiCAwJE66UQf6VchGmSccqzHWwQ3CwBQ5_lNwpCJoGQX6iKPHJfzhOCruSfM0s369YlnoLkZGvKkiccikJ_PIJHPNglKRWY0G2alwPz2Zk_8LpPL5LVQXjDT8TWH_qu9yst7BUaTF9keakYydZ3293rdnwTopxar4XLmJjdaOq4xbAwz_0RcYppvA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <627018.75962.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <559150.94092.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Jas Strong Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1536951022-1242423677=:84766" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --0-1536951022-1242423677=:84766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree that there isn't a specific previous state that is recorded in the universal memory, but I don't accept that there is no memory. We can know by examining the world that one of a class of previous states has occurred. And even in the simplified world of Conway's game of life, it is not true that any given state can be arrived at from any other previous state. Therefore, even though the next state only depends on NOW and not on any prior state, it is not true that by examining the state of the game we can learn nothing about its history. Some information is preserved. At the very least we can exclude some impossible prior states, i.e. states from which the current state can not be reached, but in some cases we can actually know the entire history of specific cells. For example consider the well known "pulsar" oscillator, http://www.ericweisstein.com/encyclopedias/life/Pulsar.html. Reality works the same way perhaps. For example, we can observe a fallen tree and know that it fell somehow, but the precise manner in which it fell, the precise time of the falling, the exact sound it made, and of course the proximate cause of the fall may still elude us. Nevertheless, the facts that the tree once stood and now has fallen are recorded in the form of the fallen tree as are many other facts of its existence such as its age, the chemical composition of the soil in which it lived, and much more.One could say that the universe remembers the tree therefore, at least for a time, because these facts about the tree seem to be stored in the universe itself. Of course the universal memory is also impermanent just as our human memories are. Eventually the tree will disintegrate, its previous existence will become undetectable even to the most precise instruments, and all evidence of the tree's existence will be lost forever even to the most secure form of memory one could imagine or construct. Best, Peter ________________________________ From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:33:07 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Feynman would disagree. It seems that, for at least some interpretations of the Standard Model, time is orientable; that is, the Universe is a big holographic object that extends both directions in time; for a more readily comprehensible model of this, imagine a cellular automaton such as Conway's Life. This is normally visualized as a two-dimensional array of cells which can be "full" or "empty", and whose future state depends upon the current state. Another way of visualizing this is as a three-dimensional stack of sheets of cells, with the stacks above the current sheet being previous iterations and the stacks below the current sheet being future iterations. The Universe as we see it is a slice of a higher-dimensional object. (Huxley would have loved this.) But how, you may ask, could we have freedom of action in a cellular automaton? This comes about in our model because given a particular set of Conway's Life cells, there are many possible configurations that can have led to that set; it is not possible to determine from the final result which particular configuration was ultimately responsible for the current state. Since the system is orientable wrt time, the direction of Time's Arrow is relevant only in the choice of rules that are used to generate the ongoing evolution of the system. Thus a system that is deterministic from the point of view of ascending time may in fact be nondeterministic when viewed from the opposing direction. Now, to finish this research I will need a massive computer and a really great random number generator... -J. On 15 May 2009, at 07:24, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: This formulation of time has a number of problems; in particular, without the passage of time it is unclear how anything happens. If there is only one moment, NOW, how can there be causality at all? We may be close to understanding this actually, and the answer I think is revealed in your posting: memory. You are correct in pointing out that past and future only make sense in the context of a memory of some sort which records events as they happen, but if you think about it, the entire universe acts as exactly this sort of memory. Consider the proverbial tree falling in the forest. Even if no one observes its falling, if we later visit the forest we will see a fallen tree. The act of falling has already happened and is "remembered" by the universe itself in the form of the fallen tree. Something that the universe "remembers" in this way is in the past even if there is no person to observe its falling. At one level this whole question of causality is an illusion. The universe is just one big "thing" that's not really a "thing" by any reasonable definition of the word. So in some sense the universe just "is" right now. Nothing can happen, because there's no "thing" for it to happen to. That's the level of absolute truth, but unfortunately for most of us it is not the level at which we exist, understand, or experience our lives. The question of the "illusion" of time then is whether this apparent change, novelty, that we experience is simply an illusion or whether the underlying fabric of the universe includes some sort of "motility"; that is, is there is some notion of action or activity inherent in existence? The answer FWIW appears to be yes. If you are interested in this sort of stuff, I'd like to recommend delving deep into quantum mechanics; a good text is Penrose's Road to Reality if you have a strong math background. On the spiritual side, consider Herbert Guenther's seminal three volume set *Kindly Bent to Ease Us* based on the writings of Tibetan scholar Longchenpa. >From volume 3: "Openess and radiance belong to the domain of experience without which they would lose all meaning, as a dynamic process experience is imbued with and becomes structured intentionality. This very dynamic is tendential (rig-pa) in that it exhibits certain tendancies and dispositions to relate and arrange the content of experience as meant." Ok its too early in the AM to make sense out of that probably... Best, Peter ________________________________ From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden To: Jas Strong Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:37:13 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero The future is missing something though. I think what it is missing is called the present. Everything happens now in the present. The future is just a concept. The transcendental object at the end of time is deceptive. Time is only relative to the person experiencing it. Memory is a trick. Whoever thinks the future is something that is ahead has been lied to. Novelty Novelty Novelty Warp factor 7 Love, Wall-E-Pog --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jas Strong wrote: From: Jas Strong Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:21 AM Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about how much better it was in the past. TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. -J. On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero and other phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic planet. We need to keep it because it is priceless. Our culture is not something that needs to be preserved. It is a culture that thrives on the unknown and the creation of novelty. That is what our culture is all about. The creation of novelty is what we are all about. That is why parties were so good and the music was so good and y things were so good. It was all because it was always new. It was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. Let's overcome timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say it was as if the nothing never was. Dare to dream! > > This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as your own. This is our way of life and without this there is nothing but re-runs on television. > > May the Force be with you, > Paulewog > > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM > > > > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", whatever that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection to 2012 and the i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not the general notion of increasing novelty or the fractal form of such a "wave". > > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is Vernor VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not that novelty ceases to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is generated in a short period of time, that beings living just before and just after the singularity can't even communicate. Its not the end of history, its just the end of the sort of history that our puny brains can understand. > > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about sfraves is that not only could you find a list of parties, but you could have conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without being laughed off the stage. Virtually speaking of course. > > Regards, > > Peter > > PS How Weird rocked! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: orotoro > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. > > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. > > '0ro+or0' > > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > >> What I remember from way back in the day was this >> >> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night >> >> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like months and months in advance. >> >> Why is it not like that anymore? >> It is because of timewave zero. >> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novelty. >> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --0-1536951022-1242423677=:84766-- From sfraves-return-150850-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 21:46:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32833 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 21:46:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32808 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 21:46:17 -0000 Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: <7912A8C9-DE3F-49E4-ABBD-E5A42E195E9E@heroicrobot.com> From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <776909.84766.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--23691449 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:46:37 -0700 References: <627018.75962.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <559150.94092.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <776909.84766.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --Apple-Mail-5--23691449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's not what I said; pls work on comprehension skills. -J. On 15 May 2009, at 14:41, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > I agree that there isn't a specific previous state that is recorded > in the universal memory, but I don't accept that there is no memory. > > We can know by examining the world that one of a class of previous > states has occurred. And even in the simplified world of Conway's > game of life, it is not true that any given state can be arrived at > from any other previous state. Therefore, even though the next > state only depends on NOW and not on any prior state, it is not true > that by examining the state of the game we can learn nothing about > its history. Some information is preserved. At the very least we > can exclude some impossible prior states, i.e. states from which the > current state can not be reached, but in some cases we can actually > know the entire history of specific cells. For example consider the > well known "pulsar" oscillator, http://www.ericweisstein.com/encyclopedias/life/Pulsar.html > . > > Reality works the same way perhaps. For example, we can observe a > fallen tree and know that it fell somehow, but the precise manner in > which it fell, the precise time of the falling, the exact sound it > made, and of course the proximate cause of the fall may still elude > us. Nevertheless, the facts that the tree once stood and now has > fallen are recorded in the form of the fallen tree as are many other > facts of its existence such as its age, the chemical composition of > the soil in which it lived, and much more.One could say that the > universe remembers the tree therefore, at least for a time, because > these facts about the tree seem to be stored in the universe itself. > > Of course the universal memory is also impermanent just as our human > memories are. Eventually the tree will disintegrate, its previous > existence will become undetectable even to the most precise > instruments, and all evidence of the tree's existence will be lost > forever even to the most secure form of memory one could imagine or > construct. > > Best, > > Peter > > From: Jas Strong > To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; > sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:33:07 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > > Feynman would disagree. > > It seems that, for at least some interpretations of the Standard > Model, time is orientable; that is, the Universe is a big > holographic object that extends both directions in time; for a more > readily comprehensible model of this, imagine a cellular automaton > such as Conway's Life. This is normally visualized as a two- > dimensional array of cells which can be "full" or "empty", and whose > future state depends upon the current state. Another way of > visualizing this is as a three-dimensional stack of sheets of cells, > with the stacks above the current sheet being previous iterations > and the stacks below the current sheet being future iterations. > > The Universe as we see it is a slice of a higher-dimensional object. > (Huxley would have loved this.) > > But how, you may ask, could we have freedom of action in a cellular > automaton? This comes about in our model because given a particular > set of Conway's Life cells, there are many possible configurations > that can have led to that set; it is not possible to determine from > the final result which particular configuration was ultimately > responsible for the current state. Since the system is orientable > wrt time, the direction of Time's Arrow is relevant only in the > choice of rules that are used to generate the ongoing evolution of > the system. > > Thus a system that is deterministic from the point of view of > ascending time may in fact be nondeterministic when viewed from the > opposing direction. > > Now, to finish this research I will need a massive computer and a > really great random number generator... > > -J. > > On 15 May 2009, at 07:24, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > >> This formulation of time has a number of problems; in particular, >> without the passage of time it is unclear how anything happens. If >> there is only one moment, NOW, how can there be causality at all? >> We may be close to understanding this actually, and the answer I >> think is revealed in your posting: memory. >> >> You are correct in pointing out that past and future only make >> sense in the context of a memory of some sort which records events >> as they happen, but if you think about it, the entire universe >> acts as exactly this sort of memory. >> >> Consider the proverbial tree falling in the forest. Even if no one >> observes its falling, if we later visit the forest we will see a >> fallen tree. The act of falling has already happened and is >> "remembered" by the universe itself in the form of the fallen >> tree. Something that the universe "remembers" in this way is in >> the past even if there is no person to observe its falling. >> >> At one level this whole question of causality is an illusion. The >> universe is just one big "thing" that's not really a "thing" by any >> reasonable definition of the word. So in some sense the universe >> just "is" right now. Nothing can happen, because there's no >> "thing" for it to happen to. That's the level of absolute truth, >> but unfortunately for most of us it is not the level at which we >> exist, understand, or experience our lives. >> >> The question of the "illusion" of time then is whether this >> apparent change, novelty, that we experience is simply an illusion >> or whether the underlying fabric of the universe includes some sort >> of "motility"; that is, is there is some notion of action or >> activity inherent in existence? The answer FWIW appears to be yes. >> >> If you are interested in this sort of stuff, I'd like to recommend >> delving deep into quantum mechanics; a good text is Penrose's Road >> to Reality if you have a strong math background. On the spiritual >> side, consider Herbert Guenther's seminal three volume set *Kindly >> Bent to Ease Us* based on the writings of Tibetan scholar Longchenpa. >> >> From volume 3: >> >> "Openess and radiance belong to the domain of experience without >> which they would lose all meaning, as a dynamic process experience >> is imbued with and becomes structured intentionality. This very >> dynamic is tendential (rig-pa) in that it exhibits certain >> tendancies and dispositions to relate and arrange the content of >> experience as meant." >> >> Ok its too early in the AM to make sense out of that probably... >> >> Best, >> >> Peter >> >> From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden >> To: Jas Strong >> Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:37:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave >> zero >> >> The future is missing something though. I think what it is missing >> is called the present. >> Everything happens now in the present. The future is just a >> concept. The transcendental object at the end of time is deceptive. >> Time is only relative to the person experiencing it. >> Memory is a trick. Whoever thinks the future is something that is >> ahead has been lied to. >> >> Novelty Novelty Novelty >> Warp factor 7 >> >> Love, >> Wall-E-Pog >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jas Strong wrote: >> >> From: Jas Strong >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave >> zero >> To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" >> Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:21 AM >> >> >> Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about >> how much better it was in the past. >> >> TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. >> >> -J. >> >> On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: >> >> > Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero >> and other phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic >> planet. We need to keep it because it is priceless. Our culture is >> not something that needs to be preserved. It is a culture that >> thrives on the unknown and the creation of novelty. That is what >> our culture is all about. The creation of novelty is what we are >> all about. That is why parties were so good and the music was so >> good and y things were so good. It was all because it was always >> new. It was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. >> Let's overcome timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say >> it was as if the nothing never was. Dare to dream! >> > >> > This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as >> your own. This is our way of life and without this there is nothing >> but re-runs on television. >> > >> > May the Force be with you, >> > Paulewog >> > >> > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave >> zero >> > To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich- >> Hayden" >> > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" >> > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM >> > >> > >> > >> > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", >> whatever that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection >> to 2012 and the i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not >> the general notion of increasing novelty or the fractal form of >> such a "wave". >> > >> > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, >> is Vernor VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not >> that novelty ceases to be generated, but rather that so much >> novelty is generated in a short period of time, that beings living >> just before and just after the singularity can't even communicate. >> Its not the end of history, its just the end of the sort of history >> that our puny brains can understand. >> > >> > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about >> sfraves is that not only could you find a list of parties, but you >> could have conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without >> being laughed off the stage. Virtually speaking of course. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Peter >> > >> > PS How Weird rocked! >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ---- >> > From: orotoro >> > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden >> > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" >> > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM >> > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave >> zero >> > >> > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while >> entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new >> agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant >> inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when >> 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift >> in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. >> > >> > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands >> on. >> > >> > '0ro+or0' >> > >> > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden > > wrote: >> > >> >> What I remember from way back in the day was this >> >> >> >> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that >> listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot >> of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every >> saturday night >> >> >> >> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance >> like months and months in advance. >> >> >> >> Why is it not like that anymore? >> >> It is because of timewave zero. >> >> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end >> of novelty. >> >> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will >> only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > --Apple-Mail-5--23691449-- From sfraves-return-150851-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 22:05:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52357 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 22:05:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52335 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 22:05:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242425170; bh=eWppOHvd/fPgSiJwWd+NXWLiYltrcgxnbiD/06RRuqI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hgGHtqDI+VIejV58XN1QEd6pYpm3xrGVxqddPWaJ29dBWPTubYn5nM4rbjGLGVdQfX46Stt1fF8pseaQ1H0FyX/ywLguJjuvEUNqkllFKN7OmjNz19/9KtdMImaUVEoO7njpPhBZ75/bRDAqA7MIOk2Vuo9aky8mtBBlmqVaLNA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v5m78E/gbqRxvj4zzSFhTvGPSg/w62F/VVEVfdEySNxpyZbaN0wckwXp83H9gxjNrtlt2QKhM8Z9LnQVpW1KuGFQjehFkgtzmi7vf+SzUgoQuEGiffQm0r+s+Gf9E/ZczePxOmD2EI/sYqodTngrip/PKpEc2VEpGK2oZ4Snc1o=; Message-ID: <938210.99410.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YzmG7nkVM1nT8xXFUvZIHszJWsrbbMiTyJVfSmREGhCEF8GFU2WPmmeBNaUEsajZoUrJyAmmreelzD2sf1ojIBM1hVSyvzApILuKVAjYWlDYK4QNzzJdB_0lBJlBqD1cSqkjb8x01SkAqAD7Ys5lNqirWZU7lMwUQEPIWfouG6CkIGNARtGvCTiP_aKyV9gu6STppjAlerss_RujGdkWIZXijBxPNbVgngFIqRN0f3aIVHBj6DVF5q3WwOuUsOhXvRlTs4GhQIFrOm6W2ctsgnCo6O5LlBGfZSPWRFcUUU8qmoOXUsJcYcJUdb_u81sRHNNXyrBeO31nmIIr5aOiMmDsl.UEsw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <627018.75962.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <559150.94092.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <776909.84766.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7912A8C9-DE3F-49E4-ABBD-E5A42E195E9E@heroicrobot.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:06:10 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Jas Strong Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <7912A8C9-DE3F-49E4-ABBD-E5A42E195E9E@heroicrobot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-427863717-1242425170=:99410" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --0-427863717-1242425170=:99410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for the advice. You wrote,"there are many possible configurations that can have led to that set; it is not possible to determine from the final result which particular configuration was ultimately responsible for the current state. " This is false in general. It is easy to see why by examining specific cases such as in the example of a periodic oscillator which I linked to below. Not only can I know precisely what state preceded the current state in this case, I can know the entire history of every cell in the game. Best, Peter ________________________________ From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:46:37 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero That's not what I said; pls work on comprehension skills. -J. On 15 May 2009, at 14:41, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: I agree that there isn't a specific previous state that is recorded in the universal memory, but I don't accept that there is no memory. We can know by examining the world that one of a class of previous states has occurred. And even in the simplified world of Conway's game of life, it is not true that any given state can be arrived at from any other previous state. Therefore, even though the next state only depends on NOW and not on any prior state, it is not true that by examining the state of the game we can learn nothing about its history. Some information is preserved. At the very least we can exclude some impossible prior states, i.e. states from which the current state can not be reached, but in some cases we can actually know the entire history of specific cells. For example consider the well known "pulsar" oscillator, http://www.ericweisstein.com/encyclopedias/life/Pulsar.html. Reality works the same way perhaps. For example, we can observe a fallen tree and know that it fell somehow, but the precise manner in which it fell, the precise time of the falling, the exact sound it made, and of course the proximate cause of the fall may still elude us. Nevertheless, the facts that the tree once stood and now has fallen are recorded in the form of the fallen tree as are many other facts of its existence such as its age, the chemical composition of the soil in which it lived, and much more.One could say that the universe remembers the tree therefore, at least for a time, because these facts about the tree seem to be stored in the universe itself. Of course the universal memory is also impermanent just as our human memories are. Eventually the tree will disintegrate, its previous existence will become undetectable even to the most precise instruments, and all evidence of the tree's existence will be lost forever even to the most secure form of memory one could imagine or construct. Best, Peter ________________________________ From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:33:07 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Feynman would disagree. It seems that, for at least some interpretations of the Standard Model, time is orientable; that is, the Universe is a big holographic object that extends both directions in time; for a more readily comprehensible model of this, imagine a cellular automaton such as Conway's Life. This is normally visualized as a two-dimensional array of cells which can be "full" or "empty", and whose future state depends upon the current state. Another way of visualizing this is as a three-dimensional stack of sheets of cells, with the stacks above the current sheet being previous iterations and the stacks below the current sheet being future iterations. The Universe as we see it is a slice of a higher-dimensional object. (Huxley would have loved this.) But how, you may ask, could we have freedom of action in a cellular automaton? This comes about in our model because given a particular set of Conway's Life cells, there are many possible configurations that can have led to that set; it is not possible to determine from the final result which particular configuration was ultimately responsible for the current state. Since the system is orientable wrt time, the direction of Time's Arrow is relevant only in the choice of rules that are used to generate the ongoing evolution of the system. Thus a system that is deterministic from the point of view of ascending time may in fact be nondeterministic when viewed from the opposing direction. Now, to finish this research I will need a massive computer and a really great random number generator... -J. On 15 May 2009, at 07:24, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: This formulation of time has a number of problems; in particular, without the passage of time it is unclear how anything happens. If there is only one moment, NOW, how can there be causality at all? We may be close to understanding this actually, and the answer I think is revealed in your posting: memory. You are correct in pointing out that past and future only make sense in the context of a memory of some sort which records events as they happen, but if you think about it, the entire universe acts as exactly this sort of memory. Consider the proverbial tree falling in the forest. Even if no one observes its falling, if we later visit the forest we will see a fallen tree. The act of falling has already happened and is "remembered" by the universe itself in the form of the fallen tree. Something that the universe "remembers" in this way is in the past even if there is no person to observe its falling. At one level this whole question of causality is an illusion. The universe is just one big "thing" that's not really a "thing" by any reasonable definition of the word. So in some sense the universe just "is" right now. Nothing can happen, because there's no "thing" for it to happen to. That's the level of absolute truth, but unfortunately for most of us it is not the level at which we exist, understand, or experience our lives. The question of the "illusion" of time then is whether this apparent change, novelty, that we experience is simply an illusion or whether the underlying fabric of the universe includes some sort of "motility"; that is, is there is some notion of action or activity inherent in existence? The answer FWIW appears to be yes. If you are interested in this sort of stuff, I'd like to recommend delving deep into quantum mechanics; a good text is Penrose's Road to Reality if you have a strong math background. On the spiritual side, consider Herbert Guenther's seminal three volume set *Kindly Bent to Ease Us* based on the writings of Tibetan scholar Longchenpa. >From volume 3: "Openess and radiance belong to the domain of experience without which they would lose all meaning, as a dynamic process experience is imbued with and becomes structured intentionality. This very dynamic is tendential (rig-pa) in that it exhibits certain tendancies and dispositions to relate and arrange the content of experience as meant." Ok its too early in the AM to make sense out of that probably... Best, Peter ________________________________ From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden To: Jas Strong Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:37:13 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero The future is missing something though. I think what it is missing is called the present. Everything happens now in the present. The future is just a concept. The transcendental object at the end of time is deceptive. Time is only relative to the person experiencing it. Memory is a trick. Whoever thinks the future is something that is ahead has been lied to. Novelty Novelty Novelty Warp factor 7 Love, Wall-E-Pog --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jas Strong wrote: From: Jas Strong Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:21 AM Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about how much better it was in the past. TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. -J. On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero and other phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic planet. We need to keep it because it is priceless. Our culture is not something that needs to be preserved. It is a culture that thrives on the unknown and the creation of novelty. That is what our culture is all about. The creation of novelty is what we are all about. That is why parties were so good and the music was so good and y things were so good. It was all because it was always new. It was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. Let's overcome timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say it was as if the nothing never was. Dare to dream! > > This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as your own. This is our way of life and without this there is nothing but re-runs on television. > > May the Force be with you, > Paulewog > > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM > > > > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", whatever that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection to 2012 and the i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not the general notion of increasing novelty or the fractal form of such a "wave". > > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is Vernor VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not that novelty ceases to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is generated in a short period of time, that beings living just before and just after the singularity can't even communicate. Its not the end of history, its just the end of the sort of history that our puny brains can understand. > > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about sfraves is that not only could you find a list of parties, but you could have conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without being laughed off the stage. Virtually speaking of course. > > Regards, > > Peter > > PS How Weird rocked! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: orotoro > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. > > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. > > '0ro+or0' > > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > >> What I remember from way back in the day was this >> >> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night >> >> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like months and months in advance. >> >> Why is it not like that anymore? >> It is because of timewave zero. >> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novelty. >> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --0-427863717-1242425170=:99410-- From sfraves-return-150852-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 22:18:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66791 invoked by uid 1103); 15 May 2009 22:18:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66765 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 22:18:55 -0000 Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: <4780AEAC-AB8D-4308-AC40-A0FFFA8587FB@heroicrobot.com> From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <938210.99410.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--21732617 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:19:15 -0700 References: <627018.75962.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <559150.94092.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <776909.84766.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7912A8C9-DE3F-49E4-ABBD-E5A42E195E9E@heroicrobot.com> <938210.99410.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --Apple-Mail-8--21732617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only with respect to one particular direction of time -J. On 15 May 2009, at 15:06, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > Thanks for the advice. > > You wrote,"there are many possible configurations that can have led > to that set; it is not possible to determine from the final result > which particular configuration was ultimately responsible for the > current state. " > > This is false in general. It is easy to see why by examining > specific cases such as in the example of a periodic oscillator which > I linked to below. Not only can I know precisely what state > preceded the current state in this case, I can know the entire > history of every cell in the game. > > Best, > > Peter > > From: Jas Strong > To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; > sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:46:37 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > That's not what I said; pls work on comprehension skills. > > -J. > > > On 15 May 2009, at 14:41, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > >> I agree that there isn't a specific previous state that is recorded >> in the universal memory, but I don't accept that there is no memory. >> >> We can know by examining the world that one of a class of previous >> states has occurred. And even in the simplified world of Conway's >> game of life, it is not true that any given state can be arrived at >> from any other previous state. Therefore, even though the next >> state only depends on NOW and not on any prior state, it is not >> true that by examining the state of the game we can learn nothing >> about its history. Some information is preserved. At the very >> least we can exclude some impossible prior states, i.e. states from >> which the current state can not be reached, but in some cases we >> can actually know the entire history of specific cells. For >> example consider the well known "pulsar" oscillator, http://www.ericweisstein.com/encyclopedias/life/Pulsar.html >> . >> >> Reality works the same way perhaps. For example, we can observe a >> fallen tree and know that it fell somehow, but the precise manner >> in which it fell, the precise time of the falling, the exact sound >> it made, and of course the proximate cause of the fall may still >> elude us. Nevertheless, the facts that the tree once stood and >> now has fallen are recorded in the form of the fallen tree as are >> many other facts of its existence such as its age, the chemical >> composition of the soil in which it lived, and much more.One could >> say that the universe remembers the tree therefore, at least for a >> time, because these facts about the tree seem to be stored in the >> universe itself. >> >> Of course the universal memory is also impermanent just as our >> human memories are. Eventually the tree will disintegrate, its >> previous existence will become undetectable even to the most >> precise instruments, and all evidence of the tree's existence will >> be lost forever even to the most secure form of memory one could >> imagine or construct. >> >> Best, >> >> Peter >> >> From: Jas Strong >> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:33:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave >> zero >> >> >> Feynman would disagree. >> >> It seems that, for at least some interpretations of the Standard >> Model, time is orientable; that is, the Universe is a big >> holographic object that extends both directions in time; for a >> more readily comprehensible model of this, imagine a cellular >> automaton such as Conway's Life. This is normally visualized as a >> two-dimensional array of cells which can be "full" or "empty", and >> whose future state depends upon the current state. Another way of >> visualizing this is as a three-dimensional stack of sheets of >> cells, with the stacks above the current sheet being previous >> iterations and the stacks below the current sheet being future >> iterations. >> >> The Universe as we see it is a slice of a higher-dimensional >> object. (Huxley would have loved this.) >> >> But how, you may ask, could we have freedom of action in a cellular >> automaton? This comes about in our model because given a >> particular set of Conway's Life cells, there are many possible >> configurations that can have led to that set; it is not possible >> to determine from the final result which particular configuration >> was ultimately responsible for the current state. Since the system >> is orientable wrt time, the direction of Time's Arrow is relevant >> only in the choice of rules that are used to generate the ongoing >> evolution of the system. >> >> Thus a system that is deterministic from the point of view of >> ascending time may in fact be nondeterministic when viewed from the >> opposing direction. >> >> Now, to finish this research I will need a massive computer and a >> really great random number generator... >> >> -J. >> >> On 15 May 2009, at 07:24, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> This formulation of time has a number of problems; in particular, >>> without the passage of time it is unclear how anything happens. >>> If there is only one moment, NOW, how can there be causality at >>> all? We may be close to understanding this actually, and the >>> answer I think is revealed in your posting: memory. >>> >>> You are correct in pointing out that past and future only make >>> sense in the context of a memory of some sort which records events >>> as they happen, but if you think about it, the entire universe >>> acts as exactly this sort of memory. >>> >>> Consider the proverbial tree falling in the forest. Even if no >>> one observes its falling, if we later visit the forest we will see >>> a fallen tree. The act of falling has already happened and is >>> "remembered" by the universe itself in the form of the fallen >>> tree. Something that the universe "remembers" in this way is in >>> the past even if there is no person to observe its falling. >>> >>> At one level this whole question of causality is an illusion. The >>> universe is just one big "thing" that's not really a "thing" by >>> any reasonable definition of the word. So in some sense the >>> universe just "is" right now. Nothing can happen, because there's >>> no "thing" for it to happen to. That's the level of absolute >>> truth, but unfortunately for most of us it is not the level at >>> which we exist, understand, or experience our lives. >>> >>> The question of the "illusion" of time then is whether this >>> apparent change, novelty, that we experience is simply an illusion >>> or whether the underlying fabric of the universe includes some >>> sort of "motility"; that is, is there is some notion of action or >>> activity inherent in existence? The answer FWIW appears to be yes. >>> >>> If you are interested in this sort of stuff, I'd like to recommend >>> delving deep into quantum mechanics; a good text is Penrose's Road >>> to Reality if you have a strong math background. On the spiritual >>> side, consider Herbert Guenther's seminal three volume set *Kindly >>> Bent to Ease Us* based on the writings of Tibetan scholar >>> Longchenpa. >>> >>> From volume 3: >>> >>> "Openess and radiance belong to the domain of experience without >>> which they would lose all meaning, as a dynamic process experience >>> is imbued with and becomes structured intentionality. This very >>> dynamic is tendential (rig-pa) in that it exhibits certain >>> tendancies and dispositions to relate and arrange the content of >>> experience as meant." >>> >>> Ok its too early in the AM to make sense out of that probably... >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden >>> To: Jas Strong >>> Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org >>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:37:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave >>> zero >>> >>> The future is missing something though. I think what it is missing >>> is called the present. >>> Everything happens now in the present. The future is just a >>> concept. The transcendental object at the end of time is >>> deceptive. Time is only relative to the person experiencing it. >>> Memory is a trick. Whoever thinks the future is something that is >>> ahead has been lied to. >>> >>> Novelty Novelty Novelty >>> Warp factor 7 >>> >>> Love, >>> Wall-E-Pog >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jas Strong wrote: >>> >>> From: Jas Strong >>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave >>> zero >>> To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" >>> Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >>> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:21 AM >>> >>> >>> Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about >>> how much better it was in the past. >>> >>> TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. >>> >>> -J. >>> >>> On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: >>> >>> > Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave >>> zero and other phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic >>> planet. We need to keep it because it is priceless. Our culture is >>> not something that needs to be preserved. It is a culture that >>> thrives on the unknown and the creation of novelty. That is what >>> our culture is all about. The creation of novelty is what we are >>> all about. That is why parties were so good and the music was so >>> good and y things were so good. It was all because it was always >>> new. It was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING >>> novelty. Let's overcome timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so >>> we can say it was as if the nothing never was. Dare to dream! >>> > >>> > This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as >>> your own. This is our way of life and without this there is >>> nothing but re-runs on television. >>> > >>> > May the Force be with you, >>> > Paulewog >>> > >>> > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >>> > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and >>> timewave zero >>> > To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich- >>> Hayden" >>> > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" >>> > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in >>> "novelty", whatever that really is, is easily documented. Its the >>> connection to 2012 and the i ching that seems sort of like new age >>> fluff, not the general notion of increasing novelty or the fractal >>> form of such a "wave". >>> > >>> > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, >>> is Vernor VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not >>> that novelty ceases to be generated, but rather that so much >>> novelty is generated in a short period of time, that beings living >>> just before and just after the singularity can't even >>> communicate. Its not the end of history, its just the end of the >>> sort of history that our puny brains can understand. >>> > >>> > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about >>> sfraves is that not only could you find a list of parties, but you >>> could have conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas >>> without being laughed off the stage. Virtually speaking of course. >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Peter >>> > >>> > PS How Weird rocked! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ---- >>> > From: orotoro >>> > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden >>> > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" >>> > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and >>> timewave zero >>> > >>> > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while >>> entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new >>> agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant >>> inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when >>> 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift >>> in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. >>> > >>> > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my >>> hands on. >>> > >>> > '0ro+or0' >>> > >>> > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden >> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> What I remember from way back in the day was this >>> >> >>> >> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that >>> listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a >>> lot of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every >>> saturday night >>> >> >>> >> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance >>> like months and months in advance. >>> >> >>> >> Why is it not like that anymore? >>> >> It is because of timewave zero. >>> >> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end >>> of novelty. >>> >> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we >>> will only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is >>> novelty. >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > --Apple-Mail-8--21732617-- From sfraves-return-150853-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 16 00:06:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75379 invoked by uid 1103); 16 May 2009 00:06:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75359 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 00:06:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:06:40 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0905151706xb64154bl9bc88f8b7c0d9759@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: SFR , def-announce@defsf.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f96e0e6bacb0469fc555a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [BSP] faktion 5229: ALIXR|MICRON|LICKTHEDJ FREE --0016367f96e0e6bacb0469fc555a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friday, 24 April 2009 R A Y presents: F A K T I O N : because sometimes it's fun to just throw a free party Friday, 24 Apr 2009 ALIXR (SF | PULSE) MICRON (SF | FNF) LICK THE DJ (SF | FNF) live webcast via DEFSF:Radio Integrated ( http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ ) Thanks to everyone who came out last month! The crowd was so friendly we've decided to throw another free party! Once again we've lined up a trio of bass kicking talent for your dance pleasure: Pulse icon ALIXR takes a break from his own multitude of events to mix it up with old friends MICRON and LICK THE DJ. What else do we need to say? 3 great DJs, 1 great night! //////////////// See you on the dance floor! 4th Fridays @ Anu Anu-Bar 43 Sixth St., San Francisco, CA 21+ NO COVER Official Links: http://www.faktionsf.com/ http://www.defsf.com/radiointegrated http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// --0016367f96e0e6bacb0469fc555a-- From sfraves-return-150854-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 16 00:36:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 113 invoked by uid 1103); 16 May 2009 00:36:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99988 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 00:36:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42a0b30f0905151706xb64154bl9bc88f8b7c0d9759@mail.gmail.com> References: <42a0b30f0905151706xb64154bl9bc88f8b7c0d9759@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:36:58 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0905151736m3e0e13ah1ea79298576352ca@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: SFR , def-announce@defsf.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d5423f3bb80469fcc2c4 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: [BSP] faktion 5229: ALIXR|MICRON|LICKTHEDJ FREE --00163646d5423f3bb80469fcc2c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, 22 May, not April :) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Ray Wong wrote: > Friday, 22 May 2009 > > > R A Y presents: > > > F A K T I O N : because sometimes it's fun to just throw a free party > > > Friday, 22 May 2009 > > ALIXR (SF | PULSE) > > MICRON (SF | FNF) > > LICK THE DJ (SF | FNF) > > live webcast via DEFSF:Radio Integrated ( http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ ) > > > > Thanks to everyone who came out last month! The crowd was so friendly > we've decided to throw another free party! Once again we've lined up a > trio of bass kicking talent for your dance pleasure: Pulse icon ALIXR takes > a break from his own multitude of events to mix it up with old friends > MICRON and LICK THE DJ. What else do we need to say? 3 great DJs, 1 great > night! > > > > //////////////// > > > > See you on the dance floor! > > > 4th Fridays @ Anu > > > > Anu-Bar > > 43 Sixth St., San Francisco, CA > > 21+ NO COVER > > > Official Links: > > http://www.faktionsf.com/ > > http://www.defsf.com/radiointegrated http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ > > > > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > --00163646d5423f3bb80469fcc2c4-- From sfraves-return-150855-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 16 06:05:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36661 invoked by uid 1103); 16 May 2009 06:05:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36644 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 06:05:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 978033.493.bm@omp500.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242453930; bh=3PoAEYsQrryYzOdNRBXhszI5byNdh5BvXJ33BUMLT1E=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FMGiII2VhaXME0dV2b4aK4CKHmf3zGoxkOvTILyLsay0v5wQ6M/QqX4DjkhIBquJQWJgXYyOTRGUJz8ODt3LpW1SajSAmL0WpOCtxSFccmub4X83XvNCiMAxu6+OQ6n0Ibuok07frkmUPlqo4t20U7VcdOXlnsuZ4leCHumSCSE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eaW3FrLZ4Qt2RLM302uBXibyhADGtLlzJSc8kwBhSuAXjq/maSo6HlynvNYu1WGDaoSG4RkPY/Dlb82CNuBsO6kqQs0kD9ung3o494D62wG6jWsQqOyKxO7P5CJcE+vrLQy28W9VtTfrVP92UHw7pnJTs0lELXv67mJ1nxZfi+E=; Message-ID: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: B7APqj4VM1mBIOcJzO_UlPQ9LGFuT_oniflfUpEOGzNBut0LK5nmLFmUVIfZX8akiEH617dCNfYkw1nwil5rSHsKGzOS9zjlnKJRELTJGbpJb9jr3_nInOfpxLfHTZkVGVMFosJW2RjM6OKNH563HbeSfsM1uCnheTR0Tq1.Z1I4VMUEaseFfUEe5s2c5ho2t9QFL9UWARzpfw5303ypv9sRliNBF2_mIUYaLgFz62.PNOknCq4FkDaxllKrJn32Bx0ce2ZhH55Jzs39dlfZeqycvszO7bNN_1CawddYDTCdHRD5k_9eT4IPTpMKWAMD0urdYk0Xjd95aHrMZ8OsOgQkIQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 23:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-455069801-1242453930=:95184" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --0-455069801-1242453930=:95184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My computer has memory and it is used to store information. Mostly=A0I stor= e music which is what is most important to me. I have had CDs and Tapes sto= len from me. I had the best collection of music on my computer and it all g= ot erased by accident also. I mean I could do without movies I like movies = a lot, but music is really important. =A0 Memory is a record of events that have already passed. When you add all the= events together you get one giant event. Meaning that no matter how many t= imes you mark this action or mark that action or mark that action when you = add all those marks together they still come out to one.=20 =A0 Memory is not real though it is a trick, but if you are remembering music t= hen memory can take on a different meaning and can be a part of your dreami= ng state. =A0 Dreams can be remembered when you wake up but how do you know when you wake= up that you are not dreaming and when you sleep that is really being awake= ? Which is awake which is asleep? It is confusing to me which state is the = real one. Some days can seem like a dream or surreal. =A0 Consciousness is a potent source for novelty and consciousness does not hav= e as many rules to it as time, dreams, memory, illusions, etc.=20 Consciousness is a huge field ever expanding and unfolding . When you exper= ience things that you can not call memory, or a dream, that is when you exp= erience something familiar yet unknown and forgotten but ever present and e= ternally expanding That is the mind that is without mind and without body It is in this state of Consciousness that one see everything as one giant e= vent. =A0 Future has already passed and memory was just a trick and one simply is her= e now =A0 -Paul --- On Fri, 5/15/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero To: "Jas Strong" Cc: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:41 PM I agree that there isn't a specific previous state that is recorded in the = universal memory, but I don't accept that there is no memory.=A0=20 We can know by examining the world that one of a class of previous states h= as occurred.=A0 And even in the simplified world of Conway's game of life, = it is not true that any given state can be arrived at from any other previo= us state.=A0 Therefore, even though the next state only depends on NOW and = not on any prior state, it is not true that by examining the state of the g= ame we can learn nothing about its history.=A0 Some information is preserve= d.=A0 At the very least we can exclude some impossible prior states, i.e. s= tates from which the current state can not be reached, but in some cases we= can actually know the entire history of specific cells.=A0 For example con= sider the well known=A0 "pulsar" oscillator, http://www.ericweisstein.com/e= ncyclopedias/life/Pulsar.html. Reality works the same way perhaps.=A0 For example, we can observe a fallen= tree and know that it fell somehow, but the precise manner in which it fel= l, the precise time of the falling, the exact sound it made, and of course = the proximate cause of the fall may still elude us.=A0=A0 Nevertheless, the= facts that the tree once stood and now has fallen are recorded in the form= of the fallen tree as are many other facts of its existence such as its ag= e, the chemical composition of the soil in which it lived, and much more.On= e could say that the universe remembers the tree therefore, at least for a = time, because these facts about the tree seem to be stored in the universe = itself.=A0=A0=20 Of course the universal memory is also impermanent just as our human memori= es are.=A0 Eventually the tree will disintegrate, its previous existence wi= ll become undetectable even to the most precise instruments, and all eviden= ce of the tree's existence will be lost forever even to the most secure for= m of memory one could imagine or construct.=A0=20 Best, Peter From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:33:07 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Feynman would disagree. It seems that, for at least some interpretations of the Standard Model, tim= e is orientable; =A0that is, the Universe is a big holographic object that = extends both directions in time; =A0for a more readily comprehensible model= of this, imagine a cellular automaton such as Conway's Life. =A0This is no= rmally visualized as a two-dimensional array of cells which can be "full" o= r "empty", and whose future state depends upon the current state. =A0Anothe= r way of visualizing this is as a three-dimensional stack of sheets of cell= s, with the stacks above the current sheet being previous iterations and th= e stacks below the current sheet being future iterations. The Universe as we see it is a slice of a higher-dimensional object. (Huxle= y would have loved this.) But how, you may ask, could we have freedom of action in a cellular automat= on? =A0This comes about in our model because given a particular set of Conw= ay's Life cells, there are many possible configurations that can have led t= o that set; =A0it is not possible to determine from the final result which = particular configuration was ultimately responsible for the current state. = =A0Since the system is orientable wrt time, the direction of Time's Arrow i= s relevant only in the choice of rules that are used to generate the ongoin= g evolution of the system. Thus a system that is deterministic from the point of view of ascending tim= e may in fact be nondeterministic when viewed from the opposing direction. Now, to finish this research I will need a massive computer and a really gr= eat random number generator... -J. On 15 May 2009, at 07:24, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: This formulation of time has a number of problems; in particular, without t= he passage of time it is unclear how anything happens.=A0 If there is only = one moment, NOW, how can there be causality at all?=A0 We may be close to u= nderstanding this actually, and the answer I think is revealed in your post= ing: memory. You are correct in pointing out that past and future only make sense in the= context of a memory of some sort which records events as they happen,=A0 b= ut if you think about it, the entire universe acts as exactly this=A0 sort = of memory.=A0=A0 Consider the proverbial tree falling in the forest.=A0 Even if no one obser= ves its falling, if we later visit the forest we will see a fallen tree.=A0= The act of falling has already happened and is "remembered" by the univers= e itself in the form of the fallen tree.=A0 Something that the universe "re= members" in this way is in the past even if there is no person to observe i= ts falling. At one level this whole question of causality is an illusion.=A0 The univer= se is just one big "thing" that's not really a "thing" by any reasonable de= finition of the word.=A0 So in some sense the universe just "is" right now.= =A0 Nothing can happen, because there's no "thing" for it to happen to.=A0 = That's the level of absolute truth, but unfortunately for most of us it is = not the level at which we exist, understand, or experience our lives. The question of the "illusion" of time then is whether this apparent change= , novelty, that we experience is simply an illusion or whether the underlyi= ng fabric of the universe includes some sort of "motility"; that is, is the= re is some notion of action or activity inherent in existence?=A0 The answe= r FWIW appears to be yes. If you are interested in this sort of stuff, I'd like to recommend delving = deep into quantum mechanics; a good text is Penrose's Road to Reality if yo= u have=A0 a strong math background. On the spiritual side, consider Herbert= Guenther's seminal three volume set *Kindly Bent to Ease Us* based on the = writings of Tibetan scholar Longchenpa.=A0=A0 >From volume 3: "Openess and radiance belong to the domain of experience without which they= would lose all meaning, as a dynamic process experience is imbued with and= becomes structured intentionality.=A0 This very dynamic is tendential (rig= -pa) in that it exhibits certain tendancies and dispositions to relate and = arrange the content of experience as meant." Ok its too early in the AM to make sense out of that probably... Best, Peter From:=A0Paul Simcovich-Hayden To:=A0Jas Strong Cc:=A0dangrsmind@yahoo.com;=A0sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent:=A0Friday, May 15, 2009 2:37:13 AM Subject:=A0Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero The future is missing something though. I think what it is missing is calle= d the present. Everything happens now in the present. The future is just a concept. The tr= anscendental object at the end of time is deceptive. Time is only relative = to the person experiencing it. Memory is a trick. Whoever thinks the future is something that is ahead has= been lied to. =A0 Novelty Novelty Novelty Warp factor 7 =A0 Love, Wall-E-Pog =A0 --- On=A0Fri, 5/15/09, Jas Strong=A0=A0wrote: From: Jas Strong Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" Cc:=A0dangrsmind@yahoo.com,=A0sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:21 AM Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about how much b= etter it was in the past. TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. -J. On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero and oth= er phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic planet. We need to k= eep it because it is priceless. Our culture is not something that needs to = be preserved. It is a culture that thrives on the unknown and the creation = of novelty. That is what our culture is all about. The creation of novelty = is what we are all about. That is why parties were so good and the music wa= s so good and y things were so good. It was all because it was always new. = It was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. Let's overco= me timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say it was as if the no= thing never was. Dare to dream! >=A0 > This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as your own. T= his is our way of life and without this there is nothing but re-runs on tel= evision. >=A0 > May the Force be with you, > Paulewog >=A0 > --- On Mon, 5/11/09,=A0dangrsmind@yahoo.com=A0 wrot= e: >=A0 >=A0 > From:=A0dangrsmind@yahoo.com=A0 > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM >=A0 >=A0 >=A0 > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", whateve= r that really is, is easily documented.=A0 Its the connection to 2012 and t= he i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not the general notion of= increasing novelty or the fractal form of such a "wave". >=A0 > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is Verno= r VInge's idea od the singularity.=A0 In this view, its not that novelty ce= ases to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is generated in a sho= rt period of time, that beings living just before and just after the singul= arity can't even communicate.=A0 Its not the end of history, its just the e= nd of the sort of history that our puny brains can understand. >=A0 > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about sfraves is = that not only could you find a list of parties, but you could have conversa= tions about these sorts of oddball ideas without being laughed off the stag= e.=A0 Virtually speaking of course. >=A0 > Regards, >=A0 > Peter >=A0 > PS How Weird rocked! >=A0 >=A0 >=A0 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: orotoro > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero >=A0 > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, com= pelling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of t= he day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural focu= s will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no=A0 one will = notice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens = at all. >=A0 > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. >=A0 > '0ro+or0' >=A0 > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden w= rote: >=A0 >> What I remember from way back in the day was this >>=A0 >> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed pa= rties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you = could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night >>=A0 >> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like mont= hs and months in advance. >>=A0 >> Why is it not like that anymore? >> It is because of timewave zero. >> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novel= ty. >> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only ex= ist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. >>=A0 >>=A0 >=A0 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail:=A0sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail:=A0sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=A0 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail:=A0sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail:=A0sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=A0 >=A0 >=A0 >=A0 =0A=0A=0A --0-455069801-1242453930=:95184-- From sfraves-return-150856-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 16 14:28:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7742 invoked by uid 1103); 16 May 2009 14:28:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7716 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 14:28:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242484116; bh=PEdETMHydmcam9VTlrAXQZ2pkn2GyLgCsKHEKpUHK24=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lA0ix3jiPLlAd+bmFmknvdLYHGA3hDE3WYCUBZeXZCBPaO8Z6ju6qn+qFwRDe8kwL6gWsCOFzu7UUek/vymdiZKMOGbrt1Z9lmrvzj85WKAIuCAG/dHj9ycQneaYisBAUG5KUaR5NMeCzoq6LCTkUucVRr1XuUa8lZ7nMEH5tHU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ts4TRqZ8bzm2tyBVlq9m0TuCitA8cZR8QcHcNGWd7assgBKeaLgl0xZzuO0+I2xYaUUaasx4+oTfuaysomOKGK5BHxh8u0KhbTuu/Erz0iBIl9nctCguoxsGCKab3xbUZFp6IUhbkqPo3eI3VvydtPH3Wy3lneby+omrqelG4ec=; Message-ID: <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: V432X84VM1ngFPhRle4tClyRJcaZR3XfNRDt0NFrmM3YH115cM2r8z288zyV9ejcC47FmrtFiI5BTBMegRw2VT81Cue1_YuZZX.fZJfHfLFF3YI1mzWM39Wg8oa1zxqBgxK_tk.e9f4Z5zUZRnUYES8z9SWYeiS5vJm58iuLgpdFm3j4fvMZIUhjTdfL.leVrDQLBV9136UD7hkZ5bOVmbZqZtdZ6.3E3SRCB6W_1GQK03ht45Zj_WSbpsqIwsB.8jOnS_rrOFIFizyLJ5fRHpUkHLqMJIp7rtew_.jyZZFLSrKprc6iVAHn5vnWYfAWR7TUlNMTxZw6CliRE3PEcE5ToFdCBA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 07:28:36 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2050535869-1242484116=:77235" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --0-2050535869-1242484116=:77235 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul, Emaho! Nice posting! Some further explorations... If you have no mind and no body, who and or what is experiencing the state of unity you describe? Who and or what is freed from the bounds of linear time? When we are awake we clearly believe that we are having these experiences of the world we call "reality". Similarly when we dream, we say "I had a dream", although we do not beleive the dream experience is of "reality" but perhaps of some other fictional or non-real place. But who experiences the state of unconsciousness that lies between waking and dreaming? And if it isn't you, then where are you exactly when you are unconscious? Consciousness is itself an interesting word. What is it we mean precisely? Do we mean simple awareness? Even an ameoba is aware of its environment and has the ability to respond to changes in the world. Or do we mean something more like the scientific notion of the self, the Christian concept of a soul or the Hindu atman? Is consciousness generated in the brain or is it some sort of "field" that pervades space and which our brains receive like a TV set receiving Oprah? Yes, Oprah. Exercise: Consider what entities in this list you believe might or might not be conscious or said to possess consciousness. Also consider why you believe the entity is or is not conscious. 1. Another adult person 2. A baby 3. A fertilized embryo 4. A cat 5. An insect 6. An ameoba 7. A star 8. A planet 9. An extraterrestrial being/alien 10. A rock 11. A tree 12. A fallen tree 13. The Internet 14. An atom 15. The Universe (totality of all being) How many entities did you dismiss simply because their existence occurs at a different time/space scale than you? Does it matter if the embryo is fertilized or not? How could we test whether a rock (or some other entity) possesses consciousness, but just at a very different time scale than we are used to dealing with? Many people today have difficulty seeing things like rocks or trees as possessing consciousness, but other prior cultures thought all of nature was alive and conscious (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism) Were they right or wrong? Another thread... One might begin to understand consciousness by considering the state of unconsciousness and what causes it. Stuart Hammeroff (see http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4y8mTRqXAo) has studied the effects of anesthesia on the brain and together with Roger Penrose developed a theory of consciousness known as Orch OR. I think you might find his ideas interesting if you haven't already heard about them, and most recently he has been connecting his work to some of the ideas from Buddhism and other spiritual traditions. I'll leave you with this from Volume 2 (meditation) of Kindly Bent to Ease Us: "The main body is about 'pure awareness' encountered In the experience of Being by means of 'meditation' involving pleasure, radiance, and non-dividedness. As sheer lucency, a pristine cognitiveness, defying any propositions about it, It rises in naturalness and togetherness." As good a description of what happens at a proper "rave" as any I've encountered. ;) Best, Peter ________________________________ From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:05:30 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero My computer has memory and it is used to store information. Mostly I store music which is what is most important to me. I have had CDs and Tapes stolen from me. I had the best collection of music on my computer and it all got erased by accident also. I mean I could do without movies I like movies a lot, but music is really important. Memory is a record of events that have already passed. When you add all the events together you get one giant event. Meaning that no matter how many times you mark this action or mark that action or mark that action when you add all those marks together they still come out to one. Memory is not real though it is a trick, but if you are remembering music then memory can take on a different meaning and can be a part of your dreaming state. Dreams can be remembered when you wake up but how do you know when you wake up that you are not dreaming and when you sleep that is really being awake? Which is awake which is asleep? It is confusing to me which state is the real one. Some days can seem like a dream or surreal. Consciousness is a potent source for novelty and consciousness does not have as many rules to it as time, dreams, memory, illusions, etc. Consciousness is a huge field ever expanding and unfolding . When you experience things that you can not call memory, or a dream, that is when you experience something familiar yet unknown and forgotten but ever present and eternally expanding That is the mind that is without mind and without body It is in this state of Consciousness that one see everything as one giant event. Future has already passed and memory was just a trick and one simply is here now -Paul --- On Fri, 5/15/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero To: "Jas Strong" Cc: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:41 PM I agree that there isn't a specific previous state that is recorded in the universal memory, but I don't accept that there is no memory. We can know by examining the world that one of a class of previous states has occurred. And even in the simplified world of Conway's game of life, it is not true that any given state can be arrived at from any other previous state. Therefore, even though the next state only depends on NOW and not on any prior state, it is not true that by examining the state of the game we can learn nothing about its history. Some information is preserved. At the very least we can exclude some impossible prior states, i.e. states from which the current state can not be reached, but in some cases we can actually know the entire history of specific cells. For example consider the well known "pulsar" oscillator, http://www.ericweisstein.com/encyclopedias/life/Pulsar.html. Reality works the same way perhaps. For example, we can observe a fallen tree and know that it fell somehow, but the precise manner in which it fell, the precise time of the falling, the exact sound it made, and of course the proximate cause of the fall may still elude us. Nevertheless, the facts that the tree once stood and now has fallen are recorded in the form of the fallen tree as are many other facts of its existence such as its age, the chemical composition of the soil in which it lived, and much more.One could say that the universe remembers the tree therefore, at least for a time, because these facts about the tree seem to be stored in the universe itself. Of course the universal memory is also impermanent just as our human memories are. Eventually the tree will disintegrate, its previous existence will become undetectable even to the most precise instruments, and all evidence of the tree's existence will be lost forever even to the most secure form of memory one could imagine or construct. Best, Peter ________________________________ From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:33:07 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Feynman would disagree. It seems that, for at least some interpretations of the Standard Model, time is orientable; that is, the Universe is a big holographic object that extends both directions in time; for a more readily comprehensible model of this, imagine a cellular automaton such as Conway's Life. This is normally visualized as a two-dimensional array of cells which can be "full" or "empty", and whose future state depends upon the current state. Another way of visualizing this is as a three-dimensional stack of sheets of cells, with the stacks above the current sheet being previous iterations and the stacks below the current sheet being future iterations. The Universe as we see it is a slice of a higher-dimensional object. (Huxley would have loved this.) But how, you may ask, could we have freedom of action in a cellular automaton? This comes about in our model because given a particular set of Conway's Life cells, there are many possible configurations that can have led to that set; it is not possible to determine from the final result which particular configuration was ultimately responsible for the current state. Since the system is orientable wrt time, the direction of Time's Arrow is relevant only in the choice of rules that are used to generate the ongoing evolution of the system. Thus a system that is deterministic from the point of view of ascending time may in fact be nondeterministic when viewed from the opposing direction. Now, to finish this research I will need a massive computer and a really great random number generator... -J. On 15 May 2009, at 07:24, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: This formulation of time has a number of problems; in particular, without the passage of time it is unclear how anything happens. If there is only one moment, NOW, how can there be causality at all? We may be close to understanding this actually, and the answer I think is revealed in your posting: memory. You are correct in pointing out that past and future only make sense in the context of a memory of some sort which records events as they happen, but if you think about it, the entire universe acts as exactly this sort of memory. Consider the proverbial tree falling in the forest. Even if no one observes its falling, if we later visit the forest we will see a fallen tree. The act of falling has already happened and is "remembered" by the universe itself in the form of the fallen tree. Something that the universe "remembers" in this way is in the past even if there is no person to observe its falling. At one level this whole question of causality is an illusion. The universe is just one big "thing" that's not really a "thing" by any reasonable definition of the word. So in some sense the universe just "is" right now. Nothing can happen, because there's no "thing" for it to happen to. That's the level of absolute truth, but unfortunately for most of us it is not the level at which we exist, understand, or experience our lives. The question of the "illusion" of time then is whether this apparent change, novelty, that we experience is simply an illusion or whether the underlying fabric of the universe includes some sort of "motility"; that is, is there is some notion of action or activity inherent in existence? The answer FWIW appears to be yes. If you are interested in this sort of stuff, I'd like to recommend delving deep into quantum mechanics; a good text is Penrose's Road to Reality if you have a strong math background. On the spiritual side, consider Herbert Guenther's seminal three volume set *Kindly Bent to Ease Us* based on the writings of Tibetan scholar Longchenpa. >From volume 3: "Openess and radiance belong to the domain of experience without which they would lose all meaning, as a dynamic process experience is imbued with and becomes structured intentionality. This very dynamic is tendential (rig-pa) in that it exhibits certain tendancies and dispositions to relate and arrange the content of experience as meant." Ok its too early in the AM to make sense out of that probably... Best, Peter ________________________________ From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden To: Jas Strong Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:37:13 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero The future is missing something though. I think what it is missing is called the present. Everything happens now in the present. The future is just a concept. The transcendental object at the end of time is deceptive. Time is only relative to the person experiencing it. Memory is a trick. Whoever thinks the future is something that is ahead has been lied to. Novelty Novelty Novelty Warp factor 7 Love, Wall-E-Pog --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jas Strong wrote: From: Jas Strong Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero To: "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 9:21 AM Some of us have been too busy creating the future to whine about how much better it was in the past. TIMECUBE TIMECUBE TIMECUBE. -J. On 15 May 2009, at 01:54, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > Exactly! You could have conversations on here about timewave zero and other phenomenom that we encountered. This is a fantastic planet. We need to keep it because it is priceless. Our culture is not something that needs to be preserved. It is a culture that thrives on the unknown and the creation of novelty. That is what our culture is all about. The creation of novelty is what we are all about. That is why parties were so good and the music was so good and y things were so good. It was all because it was always new. It was constant and never ending Novelty. NEVERENDING novelty. Let's overcome timewave zero and save Fantasia for us so we can say it was as if the nothing never was. Dare to dream! > > This is not a spelling bee! Wake up and claim this culture as your own. This is our way of life and without this there is nothing but re-runs on television. > > May the Force be with you, > Paulewog > > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, dangrsmind@yahoo..com wrote: > > > From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > To: "orotoro" , "Paul Simcovich-Hayden" > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:58 PM > > > > On the other hand, the fractal form of the increase in "novelty", whatever that really is, is easily documented. Its the connection to 2012 and the i ching that seems sort of like new age fluff, not the general notion of increasing novelty or the fractal form of such a "wave". > > Perhaps a better formulation of whatever is happening right now, is Vernor VInge's idea od the singularity. In this view, its not that novelty ceases to be generated, but rather that so much novelty is generated in a short period of time, that beings living just before and just after the singularity can't even communicate. Its not the end of history, its just the end of the sort of history that our puny brains can understand. > > So for what its worth, the thing I remember most fondly about sfraves is that not only could you find a list of parties, but you could have conversations about these sorts of oddball ideas without being laughed off the stage. Virtually speaking of course. > > Regards, > > Peter > > PS How Weird rocked! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: orotoro > To: Paul Simcovich-Hayden > Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:40:17 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > I'm way into terrence and all, but timewave zero, while entertaining, compelling, and well documented is just woo woo new agey stuff at the end of the day. I think 2012 will be significant inasmuch as the mass cultural focus will build around it, but when 12/21/2012 comes and goes, no one will notice a thing. the shift in consciosness will be invisible, if it happens at all. > > my take on it after studying all the McKenna I could get my hands on. > > '0ro+or0' > > On May 10, 2009, at 22:37, Paul Simcovich-Hayden wrote: > >> What I remember from way back in the day was this >> >> You could go on the SFR web site and there was a Calendar that listed parties and when they were gonna happen and there were a lot of them and you could choose from 4 different parties every saturday night >> >> Also, people would BSP for parties on this list way in advance like months and months in advance. >> >> Why is it not like that anymore? >> It is because of timewave zero. >> 2012 is approaching and we are realizing the effects of the end of novelty. >> Without novelty we will not exist as real people anymore we will only exist as holograms of our past selves. What we need is novelty. >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --0-2050535869-1242484116=:77235-- From sfraves-return-150857-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 16 20:23:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24494 invoked by uid 1103); 16 May 2009 20:23:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24476 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 20:23:39 -0000 Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:24:01 -0700 References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Lemme have a crack at this: On 16 May 2009, at 07:28, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > 1. Another adult person Yes (they appear to be the same as me, and as a phenomenologist I cannot deny that I seem to be conscious; therefore it is pointless sophism to deny that they probably are) > 2. A baby Yes. See above. At a certain point in a baby's existence it becomes aware that it is a separate individual. It is a complex, adaptive system and therefore it is conscious. > 3. A fertilized embryo No. A fertilized embryo does not yet have the ability to change its own internal state in a complex and adaptive way; therefore it cannot be said to be conscious. It does not perceive itself. > 4. A cat Yes, but somewhat less so than 1. or 2. above, since the system is capable of obeying fewer states. > 5. An insect No. An insect is not self-aware; it is an automaton, and incapable of more than rote learning. (Note: I exclude ants and bees from this; these are a superorganism that may be capable of more sophisticated levels of perception.) > 6. An ameoba Is one of your epithelial cells conscious? Don't make me laugh. > 7. A star No. A star is a big ball of hydrogen. It is not conscious. It does not have any capacity for anything other than thermonuclear fusion. > 8. A planet See 7. above. > 9. An extraterrestrial being/alien I don't know, I've never met one, but for them to get here, I'd have to say yes. > 10. A rock No. It's a rock. Unless you make it into a computing device, it's not even close to being able to think. > 11. A tree Plants are automata. > 12. A fallen tree Did it make a sound? Spooooky. No, a fallen tree is a *dead* automaton. > 13. The Internet The internet is just a machine. It is not intelligent; however it does have several of the properties of a gestalt. To that end, I would argue that the question is meaningless. > 14. An atom Just a blob of wavefunction mass-energy; not aware. > 15. The Universe (totality of all being) The Universe is the computing substrate upon which we are all based; it itself is not conscious, but it clearly has the properties required for the hosting of consciousness. > How many entities did you dismiss simply because their existence > occurs at a different time/space scale than you? None. Existence and consciousness are NOT the same thing. > Does it matter if the embryo is fertilized or not? It wouldn't be an embryo if it were not fertilized. It'd be a gamete. It goes gamete + gamete -> zygote -> embryo -> foetus -> baby -> adult. > How could we test whether a rock (or some other entity) possesses > consciousness, but just at a very different time scale than we are > used to dealing with? We have to take the Murray Gell-Mann approach and define consciousness in terms of its invariants. Consciousness is the ability to perceive oneself in terms of one's environment; to retain information about the internal and external state of yourself in relation to that environment, and to adapt to act in terms of it. In other words, all consciousnesses must be complex adaptive systems (and therefore, a lump of rock does not qualify). > Many people today have difficulty seeing things like rocks or trees > as possessing consciousness, but other prior cultures thought all of > nature was alive and conscious (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism) > Were they right or wrong? They were wrong. They also thought the earth was flat and that burning sage warded off plague. Also wrong. Feed your head, but do it wisely. -J. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150858-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 16 22:45:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37531 invoked by uid 1103); 16 May 2009 22:45:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37506 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 22:45:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 74939.46264.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: fH8txFMVM1n_r1MsgLWajE00_4._hfdC4J7TrkCdvhjOYOynG_Xrvxul.tZaf3TfXlQXgnS8mUPcKBy0xypZ9RWm9U7QZTsYWlLpFHXYHlDx9nJsZehoUQjIDjT7AqBttfoxzHyILi.bIkc_MPRFMmHhCPq.1vZRIwJRrStimT5hcYEr9kZhEeXCojkiewCeSgrlCaPffhoFaAlu8dSkZS7kDRNjpBYXoHcxqfk9IdOClt89pk0I7hv5MVMw_OHqZ_SPbxhkpWCdtoe9Es4iSxiWXdZ7aXzizqrT.kuo5A1M.h2Ki9ZLZRl1YK3bQD724jV8Ttwo3grx2_JNG4Z1Pbtdig4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Andrew Phelan" To: Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:45:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c9d678$11316840$6402a8c0@apo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnWeBCdUwO2/YLpRyG1FEyPZkmwyw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Alpha Beats 5/30/09 feat. Hipp-E + Jeno Saturday, May 30th Rock It Science and Prismatic present: Alpha Beats: B is for Bass The creators of Tonal, SF's highly acclaimed color themed warehouse party series, take you to the next level with Alpha Beats. Combining their knack for booking insanely diverse and exciting lineups, bringing together a killer crowd that goes berzerk on the dance floor, and building a party that goes way beyond one night, Rock It Science and Prismatic invite you to experience their new event series Alpha Beats. For the letter B, Alpha Beats honors the floor quaking and booty shaking Bass that moves us night after night! Speaker Freakers (Main Room): Hipp-E Jeno M3 Rooz Andrew Phelan George Cochrane Booty Bass (Upstairs): Syd Gris Little John Eric Sharp No cover before 10PM, $10 before 11PM with list signup. To get on email names to: *** news@prismatictracks.com *** Or visit: *** http://www.prismatictracks.com/alphaguestlist.php *** 9PM-4AM Paradise Lounge 1501 Folsom St. @ 11th www.rockitsciencesf.com www.prismatictracks.com About the DJs: HIPP-E (Denver - Om Records, NRK) Since making his first paycheck at the age of 16 as a DJ, Hipp-E has developed into a true innovator on the electronic music scene. His partnership with Halo as H-Foundation catapulted him into the limelight and produced the acclaimed 'Environments' album. Now working as a solo artist once again, Hipp-e travels the globe spreading his sound from the US to Asia and beyond while continuing to push musical boundaries with his ability to blend jackin beats into techno horns and even soulful moments - a true legend. JENO (Back2Back, Noise From the Void) After heading to San Francisco in the early 90's, Jeno began the now legendary 'Full Moon' parties with the infamous Wicked crew. The friendly vibe and hedonistic atmosphere found at these free outdoor events attracted a large and diverse crowd of people, setting the tone for the future of the electronic dance music scene in Northern California. He has now become one of most loved and sought after dj's in the United States. M3 (Green Gorilla Lounge, Tweekin') Raising the volume of the Bay Area.s nightlife since the early 90s, M3 has proved himself to be an influential character in the development of the SF/SJ house music scene. Born and raised in San Jose, M3 began his music career in 1990 promoting some of the original Bay Areas massives such as Get Down, Get Down, Get Down, The Gathering, and Deep Space. M3's funky fresh style will, without a doubt, make you move. ROOZ (djrooz.com, Deep Blue) Rooz is a DJ, promoter, and major advocate of underground electronic music in San Francisco, known as one of SF's premier and well respected DJs. With regular residencies and appearances at San Francisco's top nightclubs since 1999, Rooz has established himself as a fixture in the underground electronic music scene. In 2008 Rooz was voted #7 DJ in SF on NiteVibe's DJ Dream Team pole (djdreamteam.com), a short list of SF's dance music pioneers like Mark Farina, Miguel Migs, Kaskade and Bassnectar. ANDREW PHELAN & GEORGE COCHRANE (Prismatic, Drop Music) Andrew Phelan & George Cochrane (aka Origami) have quickly made a name for themselves in the international house community with their mix of funk and tech based sounds built around a variety of live instrumentation and vocals, leading to releases on labels such as Amenti, Body Rhythm, Drop Music, Eight-Tracks, So Sound and their own label, Prismatic Tracks. SYD GRIS (Opel, Opulent Temple) Syd Gris has been called a Renaissance man of the West Coast scene, and with good reason. Founding Opel Productions, Opulent Temple, and being heavily involved in SF's Lovefest event are merely the tip of the ice berg; Syd is one of the West Coast's top talents, consistently being voted in the Top 10 San Francisco Dream Team poll, and playing the biggest events in California. LITTLE JOHN (Raindance Presents - Santa Cruz) Little John has had a major impact on the Bay Area dance music underground. Santa Cruz's best known DJ and event producer, John's Raindance events consistently bring cutting edge sounds and talent. Expect a diverse set from a wide array of influences ranging from house to electro to tech to acid to glitch. Little John regularly rocks some of the best parties around, so please join us in welcoming him to Alpha Beats! ERIC SHARP (Rock It Science, Flavor Group) Eric Sharp's ascent to the forefront of dance music can only be described as meteoric. From working countless dance floors into frenzies at clubs, bars, and parties across the US and the globe to producing some of San Francisco's most epic parties with his crew (and soon to be music label) Rock It Science, Eric's seemingly endless energy and dedication to electronic music is simply contagious. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150859-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 17 03:46:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31818 invoked by uid 1103); 17 May 2009 03:46:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31801 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 03:46:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242532000; bh=FmOcu1o9aZXY3hQDtyEusGYsNz5vGpzwHp8nkKASxxU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X0GxIZf64LwynS97jJkxwU67d3ZfeWzGhQVqbcQhiz0erLecEGFJcaVGe7wMEsKXXR63EjpR2faubcFUq82yRQnLNcivqWseXzI7dmaMhXwXuC5wrfVwUdGFpsTLk43lVVSsC4MAbiDmNzxWqA9iDPP7xDY2K+5UO4Bnr+jfjUs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tSwJxjpeuuRT6BuRiYeinhSCnwAEvLFh+fc+kCEgOV7fOmdfYuCbwiq1fchL3yvKK2Wlto0gCzhou+1WlWOBQ2p7LD8Dcnni5mMQb9XN6vZg6H2CubyT59lHgZJJE38R2oAENF0MOUpRcsVB/ykcLnw4nFxsj0MR0DWWu28SnIY=; Message-ID: <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: XPLyYsIVM1lSLNhxhe5v1ci66kIm8QprrI4Y2a16KI3Cnat0PYPE9zyOlyw7R6tNPyMqSxL4RTN9MeQ7lnhI7NJfHHgbcXX.3n5NAcry521c35QGpG8BJW3QlyiO32O0ydEe2LdiDzD7mU8_9dLVc7qMlo0BHaefs_N3fRMQ0R0npk5x2SynMHjmWYjSRiU9NfSmGdk5cFEIBkiKMIiodpb4aNdajcyc7v.yJh08havDq9BGKJCos.EFZBbYWmqoK10JnEsulkBXPphoP5lTS_oS3pIIpI_rZR7HeyhZQupaAm30iliLh6wiZk25NJHix.BprqFcD6vl3opb1d6rLWNuYqKYkg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:46:40 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Jas Strong Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero You are quick to dismiss ideas that seem (to you) to be outside the realm of science. But today's science was once fiction. For example, consider the recent developments in creating an actual invisibility cloak. Not all complex adaptive systems are consciousnesses. What differentiates consciousness from the rest? You say we "have to" take the Gell-Mann approach to characterizing consciousness, and while I am extremely happy to meet someone that actually knows who Gell-Mann is, I certainly don't agree with that assertion. Gell-Mann has one theory of consciousness. His theory remains speculative. Personally I think this field remains wide open to new ideas, theories, and even experimentation. Also, you missed my point about time/space scale. All of the entities except aliens which I listed exist. The point is that some of them exist at very different time/space scales than a person. Note that the only things which you admit as having consciousness all exist at a similar time/space scale to yourself. Does consciousness only exist at one particular time/space scale? Why? Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:24:01 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Lemme have a crack at this: On 16 May 2009, at 07:28, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > 1. Another adult person Yes (they appear to be the same as me, and as a phenomenologist I cannot deny that I seem to be conscious; therefore it is pointless sophism to deny that they probably are) > 2. A baby Yes. See above. At a certain point in a baby's existence it becomes aware that it is a separate individual. It is a complex, adaptive system and therefore it is conscious. > 3. A fertilized embryo No. A fertilized embryo does not yet have the ability to change its own internal state in a complex and adaptive way; therefore it cannot be said to be conscious. It does not perceive itself. > 4. A cat Yes, but somewhat less so than 1. or 2. above, since the system is capable of obeying fewer states. > 5. An insect No. An insect is not self-aware; it is an automaton, and incapable of more than rote learning. (Note: I exclude ants and bees from this; these are a superorganism that may be capable of more sophisticated levels of perception.) > 6. An ameoba Is one of your epithelial cells conscious? Don't make me laugh. > 7. A star No. A star is a big ball of hydrogen. It is not conscious. It does not have any capacity for anything other than thermonuclear fusion. > 8. A planet See 7. above. > 9. An extraterrestrial being/alien I don't know, I've never met one, but for them to get here, I'd have to say yes. > 10. A rock No. It's a rock. Unless you make it into a computing device, it's not even close to being able to think. > 11. A tree Plants are automata. > 12. A fallen tree Did it make a sound? Spooooky. No, a fallen tree is a *dead* automaton. > 13. The Internet The internet is just a machine. It is not intelligent; however it does have several of the properties of a gestalt. To that end, I would argue that the question is meaningless. > 14. An atom Just a blob of wavefunction mass-energy; not aware. > 15. The Universe (totality of all being) The Universe is the computing substrate upon which we are all based; it itself is not conscious, but it clearly has the properties required for the hosting of consciousness. > How many entities did you dismiss simply because their existence occurs at a different time/space scale than you? None. Existence and consciousness are NOT the same thing. > Does it matter if the embryo is fertilized or not? It wouldn't be an embryo if it were not fertilized. It'd be a gamete. It goes gamete + gamete -> zygote -> embryo -> foetus -> baby -> adult. > How could we test whether a rock (or some other entity) possesses consciousness, but just at a very different time scale than we are used to dealing with? We have to take the Murray Gell-Mann approach and define consciousness in terms of its invariants. Consciousness is the ability to perceive oneself in terms of one's environment; to retain information about the internal and external state of yourself in relation to that environment, and to adapt to act in terms of it. In other words, all consciousnesses must be complex adaptive systems (and therefore, a lump of rock does not qualify). > Many people today have difficulty seeing things like rocks or trees as possessing consciousness, but other prior cultures thought all of nature was alive and conscious (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism) Were they right or wrong? They were wrong. They also thought the earth was flat and that burning sage warded off plague. Also wrong. Feed your head, but do it wisely. -J. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150860-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 17 05:30:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91001 invoked by uid 1103); 17 May 2009 05:30:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90984 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 05:30:19 -0000 Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:30:41 -0700 References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero On 16 May 2009, at 20:46, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > You are quick to dismiss ideas that seem (to you) to be outside the > realm of science. But today's science was once fiction. Yes, but we don't get from there to here by just making stuff up; theories have to be predictive, and they have to be testable, and there has to be evidence that supports them. You don't go off on a mad hypothesis. You seem to be ready to accept almost anything that contradicts the current consensus; why is that? are you trying to escape from something? > For example, consider the recent developments in creating an actual > invisibility cloak. That only works on microscopic scales, in the deep infra-red. Oh, and it needs monochromaticity, too. So it's not really what they hyped it as (and, yes, I'm an optics expert, as it happens.) > Not all complex adaptive systems are consciousnesses. What > differentiates consciousness from the rest? Complexity, self-awareness, and the ability to predict the internal state of others. > You say we "have to" take the Gell-Mann approach to characterizing > consciousness, and while I am extremely happy to meet someone that > actually knows who Gell-Mann is, I certainly don't agree with that > assertion. Gell-Mann has one theory of consciousness. His theory > remains speculative. Personally I think this field remains wide > open to new ideas, theories, and even experimentation. Yeah, like Matt said, I like experimentation too. > Also, you missed my point about time/space scale. All of the > entities except aliens which I listed exist. The point is that some > of them exist at very different time/space scales than a person. > Note that the only things which you admit as having consciousness > all exist at a similar time/space scale to yourself. Does > consciousness only exist at one particular time/space scale? On this planet? No. Ask a blue whale. > Why? In order for a thing to be conscious it must meet the requirements of being a suitable substrate for consciousness. I do not believe that most of the objects you mentioned meet those requirements. Requirements include the ability to compute, the ability to store memories, and the ability to modify behaviour based on those memories. There are (clearly) more, but those are fundamental. -J. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150861-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 17 15:29:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44711 invoked by uid 1103); 17 May 2009 15:29:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44684 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 15:29:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242574171; bh=YSkYGxp23cYDtgIgSYMIcMzY201OpuugnJUyVqtzrck=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VRxsWdn+Afj6rOIkY0vG/YQue3JjCwYhCp7sHVowcXG/TNk78H8Rq6NrhocXjJ7rKcE1RIkawxmy/GonpPkEvtdHB7lDcDy3LBQT2+dPdLWnb65Dy2eOO6KrvcHaGbWHfI0LVJpNcc+4uuJQB57TbNqwlUkQZEuMiO/HFpj+zV8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=12VOREi5B/Eth9TJJEygKKuZqmNyLAWWcACrbjGl5EHD9dRkmnM1I8wn6NOtAKfSZ6UE+PXRnhuwsvjk7qTCpQXachE40n2UzbTGqNnJCL1Ex018uDJAQQ1SckgiFVyocKB0uePHTGY4x2njhAnjMLrghbK5B6ppbGjvN2ezFYk=; Message-ID: <362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: S2hW5n4VM1mabyNZManAdVZX6peRLYUwJWD_D4LcUviohKXjg7xdz3fQc9c1aGvpZGuMRKaeWOJuNx3YtrpT0bEFcAaOFZa7.FmeZe1nETLaL1NlPcZVFrkldxA9dH00OvSaS5Yc8NH1lprwUkFOW8_OqgRGH_gl5r0HOGrXXmbmaYTBvKiryiPyhHSFM4YrVxih9ospjhVJUiqsj8.aRz_7zP6AnzSD2DmyLf4IgjnDXL.GVUs_kCpkmVdl9KcBfG1QDjQ.OYFUBLB0FdTviYEU2iGHb0GTVLA3EWRASONFB55FXTJPO7zE_w_lU8pOEg9M4xvOCdFTzg_XUDywrw9Dej6CdQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 08:29:30 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Jas Strong Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero You're sweet, but I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. In fact I am a scientist who comes from a family of scientists. Most recently I was the chief scientist at a company developing facial recognition and digital forensics technologies among other things. I'm only interested in ideas that are testable and verifiable. Do you think the theory that consciousness emerges from a complex adaptive system meets those criteria? I don't. In fact I think the entire term "emergence" is poppycock and mysticism of the worst sort and its use here in trying to fathom the mystery of consciousness only serves to hide most of what we are trying to understand. And I say that as someone that studied chaos theory, dynamical systems, and complex systems at UCSC during the "Chaos Cabal" era. Incidentally, Conway's game of life is a great illustration of this. As far as the scientific consensus, I'll just be blunt. The consensus is often bullshit. A lot of what is believed to be scientific truth is just the point of view of the biggest most politically astute assholes and the people that control scientific journals. Have you heard of Karl Popper? I'd suggest reading some books on the philosophy and history of science if you are not familiar with this idea. In my field there was recently a publication of a short article in the prestigious publication Science by a group from the University of Manchester claiming 100% recognition accuracy from a facial recognition system. Unfortunately, this claim is entirely bogus as any skilled practitioner in the field could have told the reviewers. Although they obviously didn't consult the right people before publication, a number of people did write to the magazine and a follow up piece critiquing the original article was published. But this doesn't always happen. More often the bullshit prevails. As you yourself said, feed your head but watch what you eat. And Deepak Chopra isn't the only bullshit out there. My father is retired now, but he was a biologist doing research in a field that is now called protein transport. The consensus was that proteins were too large to pass through cell walls. My father believed that this was incorrect and developed an alternative model. His views were actively suppressed, his lab denied funding, his career damaged by the keepers of "consensus". Thing is, it turns out they were wrong. And in case you think this is just harmless, its pretty clear that people died and diseases went untreated as a result. As far as the invisibility cloak, everything you said is correct. But you left out something. Just ten years ago the consensus was that even this limited notion of invisibility was impossible, Today the consensus is that it can't be scaled up. Maybe that's right, but then again maybe its not. Your favorite head toy the laser wasn't even invented until the 1950s. Now it is fundamental to global communication and other applications. As I understand it, the most likely application for this invisibility thing is not making macroscopic objects invisible but as part of a high speed digital communications system of some sort. But in 50 years? Hard to say. Best, Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:30:41 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero On 16 May 2009, at 20:46, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > You are quick to dismiss ideas that seem (to you) to be outside the realm of science. But today's science was once fiction. Yes, but we don't get from there to here by just making stuff up; theories have to be predictive, and they have to be testable, and there has to be evidence that supports them. You don't go off on a mad hypothesis. You seem to be ready to accept almost anything that contradicts the current consensus; why is that? are you trying to escape from something? > For example, consider the recent developments in creating an actual invisibility cloak. That only works on microscopic scales, in the deep infra-red. Oh, and it needs monochromaticity, too. So it's not really what they hyped it as (and, yes, I'm an optics expert, as it happens.) > Not all complex adaptive systems are consciousnesses. What differentiates consciousness from the rest? Complexity, self-awareness, and the ability to predict the internal state of others. > You say we "have to" take the Gell-Mann approach to characterizing consciousness, and while I am extremely happy to meet someone that actually knows who Gell-Mann is, I certainly don't agree with that assertion. Gell-Mann has one theory of consciousness. His theory remains speculative. Personally I think this field remains wide open to new ideas, theories, and even experimentation. Yeah, like Matt said, I like experimentation too. > Also, you missed my point about time/space scale. All of the entities except aliens which I listed exist. The point is that some of them exist at very different time/space scales than a person. Note that the only things which you admit as having consciousness all exist at a similar time/space scale to yourself. Does consciousness only exist at one particular time/space scale? On this planet? No. Ask a blue whale. > Why? In order for a thing to be conscious it must meet the requirements of being a suitable substrate for consciousness. I do not believe that most of the objects you mentioned meet those requirements. Requirements include the ability to compute, the ability to store memories, and the ability to modify behaviour based on those memories. There are (clearly) more, but those are fundamental. -J. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150862-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 17 17:45:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98560 invoked by uid 1103); 17 May 2009 17:45:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98538 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 17:45:10 -0000 Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:45:31 -0700 References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> <362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero It seems like you're saying "science was wrong about a, so therefore they must be wrong about b", which doesn't really follow, does it? -J. On 17 May 2009, at 08:29, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > You're sweet, but I think what we have here is a failure to > communicate. > > In fact I am a scientist who comes from a family of scientists. > Most recently I was the chief scientist at a company developing > facial recognition and digital forensics technologies among other > things. I'm only interested in ideas that are testable and > verifiable. > > Do you think the theory that consciousness emerges from a complex > adaptive system meets those criteria? I don't. In fact I think the > entire term "emergence" is poppycock and mysticism of the worst sort > and its use here in trying to fathom the mystery of consciousness > only serves to hide most of what we are trying to understand. And I > say that as someone that studied chaos theory, dynamical systems, > and complex systems at UCSC during the "Chaos Cabal" era. > Incidentally, Conway's game of life is a great illustration of this. > > As far as the scientific consensus, I'll just be blunt. The > consensus is often bullshit. A lot of what is believed to be > scientific truth is just the point of view of the biggest most > politically astute assholes and the people that control scientific > journals. Have you heard of Karl Popper? I'd suggest reading some > books on the philosophy and history of science if you are not > familiar with this idea. > > In my field there was recently a publication of a short article in > the prestigious publication Science by a group from the University > of Manchester claiming 100% recognition accuracy from a facial > recognition system. Unfortunately, this claim is entirely bogus as > any skilled practitioner in the field could have told the > reviewers. Although they obviously didn't consult the right people > before publication, a number of people did write to the magazine and > a follow up piece critiquing the original article was published. > But this doesn't always happen. More often the bullshit prevails. > As you yourself said, feed your head but watch what you eat. And > Deepak Chopra isn't the only bullshit out there. > > My father is retired now, but he was a biologist doing research in a > field that is now called protein transport. The consensus was that > proteins were too large to pass through cell walls. My father > believed that this was incorrect and developed an alternative > model. His views were actively suppressed, his lab denied funding, > his career damaged by the keepers of "consensus". Thing is, it > turns out they were wrong. And in case you think this is just > harmless, its pretty clear that people died and diseases went > untreated as a result. > > As far as the invisibility cloak, everything you said is correct. > But you left out something. Just ten years ago the consensus was > that even this limited notion of invisibility was impossible, Today > the consensus is that it can't be scaled up. Maybe that's right, > but then again maybe its not. > > Your favorite head toy the laser wasn't even invented until the > 1950s. Now it is fundamental to global communication and other > applications. As I understand it, the most likely application for > this invisibility thing is not making macroscopic objects invisible > but as part of a high speed digital communications system of some > sort. But in 50 years? Hard to say. > > Best, > > Peter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jas Strong > To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; > sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:30:41 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > > On 16 May 2009, at 20:46, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > >> >> You are quick to dismiss ideas that seem (to you) to be outside the >> realm of science. But today's science was once fiction. > > Yes, but we don't get from there to here by just making stuff up; > theories have to be predictive, and they have to be testable, and > there has to be evidence that supports them. You don't go off on a > mad hypothesis. You seem to be ready to accept almost anything that > contradicts the current consensus; why is that? are you trying to > escape from something? > >> For example, consider the recent developments in creating an actual >> invisibility cloak. > > That only works on microscopic scales, in the deep infra-red. Oh, > and it needs monochromaticity, too. So it's not really what they > hyped it as (and, yes, I'm an optics expert, as it happens.) > >> Not all complex adaptive systems are consciousnesses. What >> differentiates consciousness from the rest? > > Complexity, self-awareness, and the ability to predict the internal > state of others. > >> You say we "have to" take the Gell-Mann approach to characterizing >> consciousness, and while I am extremely happy to meet someone that >> actually knows who Gell-Mann is, I certainly don't agree with that >> assertion. Gell-Mann has one theory of consciousness. His theory >> remains speculative. Personally I think this field remains wide >> open to new ideas, theories, and even experimentation. > > Yeah, like Matt said, I like experimentation too. > >> Also, you missed my point about time/space scale. All of the >> entities except aliens which I listed exist. The point is that some >> of them exist at very different time/space scales than a person. >> Note that the only things which you admit as having consciousness >> all exist at a similar time/space scale to yourself. Does >> consciousness only exist at one particular time/space scale? > > On this planet? No. Ask a blue whale. > >> Why? > > In order for a thing to be conscious it must meet the requirements > of being a suitable substrate for consciousness. I do not believe > that most of the objects you mentioned meet those requirements. > > Requirements include the ability to compute, the ability to store > memories, and the ability to modify behaviour based on those > memories. There are (clearly) more, but those are fundamental. > > -J. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150863-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 17 21:18:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17506 invoked by uid 1103); 17 May 2009 21:18:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17462 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 21:18:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> <362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:18:37 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0905171418p67b89ce9r55e511209fbb70dc@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: Jas Strong Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ee244a0da59046a2238d1 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --0016364ee244a0da59046a2238d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit especially not in a top-down cosmology approach... we have no origin of the universe, so we're rather stuck with where we seem to be now, and the probable paths to having got here... :) Or did we get past that too? I'm actually quite out of date on quantum mechanics, which I was never completely on top of in the first place (in the classical and not quantum sense) -R. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Jas Strong wrote: > > It seems like you're saying "science was wrong about a, so therefore they > must be wrong about b", which doesn't really follow, does it? > > -J. > > > On 17 May 2009, at 08:29, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > >> You're sweet, but I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. >> >> In fact I am a scientist who comes from a family of scientists. Most >> recently I was the chief scientist at a company developing facial >> recognition and digital forensics technologies among other things. I'm only >> interested in ideas that are testable and verifiable. >> >> Do you think the theory that consciousness emerges from a complex adaptive >> system meets those criteria? I don't. In fact I think the entire term >> "emergence" is poppycock and mysticism of the worst sort and its use here in >> trying to fathom the mystery of consciousness only serves to hide most of >> what we are trying to understand. And I say that as someone that studied >> chaos theory, dynamical systems, and complex systems at UCSC during the >> "Chaos Cabal" era. Incidentally, Conway's game of life is a great >> illustration of this. >> >> As far as the scientific consensus, I'll just be blunt. The consensus is >> often bullshit. A lot of what is believed to be scientific truth is just >> the point of view of the biggest most politically astute assholes and the >> people that control scientific journals. Have you heard of Karl Popper? >> I'd suggest reading some books on the philosophy and history of science if >> you are not familiar with this idea. >> >> In my field there was recently a publication of a short article in the >> prestigious publication Science by a group from the University of Manchester >> claiming 100% recognition accuracy from a facial recognition system. >> Unfortunately, this claim is entirely bogus as any skilled practitioner in >> the field could have told the reviewers. Although they obviously didn't >> consult the right people before publication, a number of people did write to >> the magazine and a follow up piece critiquing the original article was >> published. But this doesn't always happen. More often the bullshit >> prevails. As you yourself said, feed your head but watch what you eat. And >> Deepak Chopra isn't the only bullshit out there. >> >> My father is retired now, but he was a biologist doing research in a field >> that is now called protein transport. The consensus was that proteins were >> too large to pass through cell walls. My father believed that this was >> incorrect and developed an alternative model. His views were actively >> suppressed, his lab denied funding, his career damaged by the keepers of >> "consensus". Thing is, it turns out they were wrong. And in case you think >> this is just harmless, its pretty clear that people died and diseases went >> untreated as a result. >> >> As far as the invisibility cloak, everything you said is correct. But you >> left out something. Just ten years ago the consensus was that even this >> limited notion of invisibility was impossible, Today the consensus is that >> it can't be scaled up. Maybe that's right, but then again maybe its not. >> >> Your favorite head toy the laser wasn't even invented until the 1950s. >> Now it is fundamental to global communication and other applications. As I >> understand it, the most likely application for this invisibility thing is >> not making macroscopic objects invisible but as part of a high speed digital >> communications system of some sort. But in 50 years? Hard to say. >> >> Best, >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jas Strong >> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:30:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero >> >> >> On 16 May 2009, at 20:46, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> >>> You are quick to dismiss ideas that seem (to you) to be outside the realm >>> of science. But today's science was once fiction. >>> >> >> Yes, but we don't get from there to here by just making stuff up; >> theories have to be predictive, and they have to be testable, and there has >> to be evidence that supports them. You don't go off on a mad hypothesis. >> You seem to be ready to accept almost anything that contradicts the current >> consensus; why is that? are you trying to escape from something? >> >> For example, consider the recent developments in creating an actual >>> invisibility cloak. >>> >> >> That only works on microscopic scales, in the deep infra-red. Oh, and it >> needs monochromaticity, too. So it's not really what they hyped it as (and, >> yes, I'm an optics expert, as it happens.) >> >> Not all complex adaptive systems are consciousnesses. What >>> differentiates consciousness from the rest? >>> >> >> Complexity, self-awareness, and the ability to predict the internal state >> of others. >> >> You say we "have to" take the Gell-Mann approach to characterizing >>> consciousness, and while I am extremely happy to meet someone that actually >>> knows who Gell-Mann is, I certainly don't agree with that assertion. >>> Gell-Mann has one theory of consciousness. His theory remains speculative. >>> Personally I think this field remains wide open to new ideas, theories, and >>> even experimentation. >>> >> >> Yeah, like Matt said, I like experimentation too. >> >> Also, you missed my point about time/space scale. All of the entities >>> except aliens which I listed exist. The point is that some of them exist at >>> very different time/space scales than a person. Note that the only things >>> which you admit as having consciousness all exist at a similar time/space >>> scale to yourself. Does consciousness only exist at one particular >>> time/space scale? >>> >> >> On this planet? No. Ask a blue whale. >> >> Why? >>> >> >> In order for a thing to be conscious it must meet the requirements of >> being a suitable substrate for consciousness. I do not believe that most of >> the objects you mentioned meet those requirements. >> >> Requirements include the ability to compute, the ability to store >> memories, and the ability to modify behaviour based on those memories. >> There are (clearly) more, but those are fundamental. >> >> -J. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0016364ee244a0da59046a2238d1-- From sfraves-return-150864-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 17 22:47:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96227 invoked by uid 1103); 17 May 2009 22:47:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96207 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 22:47:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242600491; bh=reM9MCVrnoTwEu+EeikAzFmMOYxuTNXDD4kO8KkMAhA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1xVgJWq05ITTXr5CVX7go/ENutA04lL62Mq6phdzvhKPRLMDWP+aXMlROImCqr5nSLpu/Vxp6bj7tRGLG1Uomt1/mXiS5XB79J6W8NOhC6huS9gZ7KDbQcY0qS1MtLEZzQd8/3Vcwq1R2FPVSzc67kMH48FGWi9u2Z1U1WxkaiA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bAKBFuJ7sl2iW/niXWanAxcGS6KVegOjM6U0QneMPgw7p5ReeRK+wCRSikJnJ43MxtUh9B3NPqnCRWJG0hkwQJb5T6/cinHbrAU2HRHbPCdhwHYm6X6va2xSwI+rWAgLiSGNPXIQnGVQnhLfwsH6cB3EBzYP1leMm0A1ns82E1k=; Message-ID: <253419.71246.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uy1M7tcVM1mf7H2Aqt9LNcYhDxsfKOBENPBJk26mwEzb5Dmqc40wOqWPJO41neSiMnv6ezBg09l5QipefVjvQ0uc.cBMu8MMTFr2CJbK4CNOp1wI5mH7eOcz1.lEQmQybgn.IXZOlt3LY0Y1I8uYiYWf8unXCEOzkoH6GKsFc9Q0giUj7xdKNbTpVeaxmtBcwhg4h9QHIcA8wqBcFLDarexY6wBULBgJKPEkgssu.gTTZe3mZYO.dA4uJk9OmfecGczvQUjxDFzBy7v1cTxxA52OnBRumXnNAc0Sp11rF8QWlYPyWUHzBSjw9ierG3kJC13uoQpD7R3YtFozmPMvKgRTVgywlw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> <362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Jas Strong Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero I used to tutor math and physics, and I remember one student on learning about relativity for the first time exclaiming with some consternation, "You mean Newton's equations of motion are WRONG?" THat was a pretty funny moment, but what I am actually trying to say is simply that science is often wrong about a lot for things. Being wrong about a lot of things is part of science and the scientific process in fact and therefore we should expect and understand that current scientific understanding is actually wrong about a wqhole lot of things that we simply haven't learned about yet. This is not a problem. Science is not God given truth, and the scientific method does not guarantee that one will be able to produce a "correct" model or theory on demand. A model is proposed and it becomes accepted if it makes useful predictions. Eventually some experiments are performed that don't fit the existing theories and a new model will be proposed. Many of these are false leads that will be thrown out, but every once in a while, apparently unpredictably, a new understanding emerges and a new model is established in place of the old. Contrary to the popular belief, the scientific establishment often doesn not promote this process but instead enforces orthodoxy, favors publication of confirming experiments, and does not actively seek new ground breaking experiments that overturn existing theories and beliefs to promote. Since this pattern persists, I expect that the resulting falacies persist as well. In this specific case, the notion that consciousness is an emergent property of a "complex enough" system hides that fact that the notion of emergence itself is actually on pretty shaky scientific ground. The naive definition of emergence (often stated simply as the whole is greater than the sum of its parts) includes a hidden conscious observer in almost all formulations. The observer here is the person who designates the emergent pattern is "novel" or interesting (its actually bit more subtle than this but this gets a bit nit picky). This is why IMO any theory including the idea of emergence can not ever be used to explain consciousness. Such a theory is inherently circular as you need one to have at least one conscious mind available to designate the emergent patterns comprising another. There doesn't appear to be any easy way out of this although Jim Crutchfield has defined a notion called intrinsic emergence without reference to an existing conscious observer. See Crutchfield's papers, "The Calculi of Emergence: Computation, Dynamics, and Induction" and "Is Anything Ever New?" However this more limited notion seems to fail to capture many of the things that we mean when we use the term emergence. Another good and much easier to read article on this is Kevin Mihata's "The Persistence of Emergence". FWIW. It has been a few years since I've researched this deeply so there may very well be new results here as well. What does this all have to do with time wave zero and raves? The entire issue with emergence reduces to the difficulty in defining what novelty is exactly. Terrance McKenna in his presentations of the TWZ assumes we all know and agree on what novelty is. But when you delve into this, it turns out that what exactly we mean by novelty is a philosphically and scientifically thorny issue. In many cases, what we think of as novel is just a result of our limited perspective and insufficient personal knowledge. Finally, I note that you can use this stuff to make those trippy cellular automata patterns everyone loves to project at parties. See also http://www.collidoscope.com/modernca ;) Regards, Peter Best, Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Jas Strong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:45:31 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero It seems like you're saying "science was wrong about a, so therefore they must be wrong about b", which doesn't really follow, does it? -J. On 17 May 2009, at 08:29, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > You're sweet, but I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. > > In fact I am a scientist who comes from a family of scientists. Most recently I was the chief scientist at a company developing facial recognition and digital forensics technologies among other things. I'm only interested in ideas that are testable and verifiable. > > Do you think the theory that consciousness emerges from a complex adaptive system meets those criteria? I don't. In fact I think the entire term "emergence" is poppycock and mysticism of the worst sort and its use here in trying to fathom the mystery of consciousness only serves to hide most of what we are trying to understand. And I say that as someone that studied chaos theory, dynamical systems, and complex systems at UCSC during the "Chaos Cabal" era. Incidentally, Conway's game of life is a great illustration of this. > > As far as the scientific consensus, I'll just be blunt. The consensus is often bullshit. A lot of what is believed to be scientific truth is just the point of view of the biggest most politically astute assholes and the people that control scientific journals. Have you heard of Karl Popper? I'd suggest reading some books on the philosophy and history of science if you are not familiar with this idea. > > In my field there was recently a publication of a short article in the prestigious publication Science by a group from the University of Manchester claiming 100% recognition accuracy from a facial recognition system. Unfortunately, this claim is entirely bogus as any skilled practitioner in the field could have told the reviewers. Although they obviously didn't consult the right people before publication, a number of people did write to the magazine and a follow up piece critiquing the original article was published. But this doesn't always happen. More often the bullshit prevails. As you yourself said, feed your head but watch what you eat. And Deepak Chopra isn't the only bullshit out there. > > My father is retired now, but he was a biologist doing research in a field that is now called protein transport. The consensus was that proteins were too large to pass through cell walls. My father believed that this was incorrect and developed an alternative model. His views were actively suppressed, his lab denied funding, his career damaged by the keepers of "consensus". Thing is, it turns out they were wrong. And in case you think this is just harmless, its pretty clear that people died and diseases went untreated as a result. > > As far as the invisibility cloak, everything you said is correct. But you left out something. Just ten years ago the consensus was that even this limited notion of invisibility was impossible, Today the consensus is that it can't be scaled up. Maybe that's right, but then again maybe its not. > > Your favorite head toy the laser wasn't even invented until the 1950s. Now it is fundamental to global communication and other applications. As I understand it, the most likely application for this invisibility thing is not making macroscopic objects invisible but as part of a high speed digital communications system of some sort. But in 50 years? Hard to say. > > Best, > > Peter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jas Strong > To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:30:41 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero > > > On 16 May 2009, at 20:46, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > >> >> You are quick to dismiss ideas that seem (to you) to be outside the realm of science. But today's science was once fiction. > > Yes, but we don't get from there to here by just making stuff up; theories have to be predictive, and they have to be testable, and there has to be evidence that supports them. You don't go off on a mad hypothesis. You seem to be ready to accept almost anything that contradicts the current consensus; why is that? are you trying to escape from something? > >> For example, consider the recent developments in creating an actual invisibility cloak. > > That only works on microscopic scales, in the deep infra-red. Oh, and it needs monochromaticity, too. So it's not really what they hyped it as (and, yes, I'm an optics expert, as it happens.) > >> Not all complex adaptive systems are consciousnesses. What differentiates consciousness from the rest? > > Complexity, self-awareness, and the ability to predict the internal state of others. > >> You say we "have to" take the Gell-Mann approach to characterizing consciousness, and while I am extremely happy to meet someone that actually knows who Gell-Mann is, I certainly don't agree with that assertion. Gell-Mann has one theory of consciousness. His theory remains speculative. Personally I think this field remains wide open to new ideas, theories, and even experimentation. > > Yeah, like Matt said, I like experimentation too. > >> Also, you missed my point about time/space scale. All of the entities except aliens which I listed exist. The point is that some of them exist at very different time/space scales than a person. Note that the only things which you admit as having consciousness all exist at a similar time/space scale to yourself. Does consciousness only exist at one particular time/space scale? > > On this planet? No. Ask a blue whale. > >> Why? > > In order for a thing to be conscious it must meet the requirements of being a suitable substrate for consciousness. I do not believe that most of the objects you mentioned meet those requirements. > > Requirements include the ability to compute, the ability to store memories, and the ability to modify behaviour based on those memories. There are (clearly) more, but those are fundamental. > > -J. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150865-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 17 23:43:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34765 invoked by uid 1103); 17 May 2009 23:43:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34739 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 23:43:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242603852; bh=IUGAx3GVt4E9ECEH0oHb/Don3AUydHowAGQAg8oisUA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vgset9itDDiMiTIIZTy1k14hFQ4jJI5wybEOYPH+iTcGsmkiKP+2vWr9x/Zx/C+T2VKNAyvjnTp0iTKzhGtIqElEL5PQV7ZoFC6Z8e7FOYeANvKwD9ckIODxUbxzpl0SSMqiA4Kh+VMzcxzuJjml564PvXMD12Ra/8QadUm79h8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=z3l+dek30fxoXEf6t0swHUc0BulbrD4l8B5CbaKjGi6XVUPGfDRfF9LWDjbYqEk++O/iG2wK6oIDG6ysoTXH44m8xUpyeNBvZtBXL6SwFH3zLYZ/2QuyQkVCkjadZbMHdh12C6Fyfa6e3IyV0LtWvvrV46dTkiv5l1Q82VKr000=; Message-ID: <964294.82239.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ukAx3.wVM1lT5aDSv0TmILXWfI478SbfdWFFNYlnFzLUuUgphil4_orD4xZvhxzqtdQjp9hsq161Xe7zDNX5fXx1FnO6OcBRc.6N9af7sPmPftxT_t9HyF3smbykkJO8EsmJrD7C93iO1YkC3il_duFcLLy0x4Ly_LYnjBrmJmE4kIN9VWOcdfR7964NVAci2Wge5MHIEwO0rAe.rtMmSySUly612AfxqzYVhc5ifjsZHu7AE0X2e8KIdDEtuStNNFtpGGLt0b2RemLSV8jwbraxGkG0Op0qN6wl0bvw7lK41.ZrZ6m91qSttL.gyc3SI46H.aJYXNMED6qGUN3D7C9DR57hVA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> <362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42a0b30f0905171418p67b89ce9r55e511209fbb70dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:44:12 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Ray Wong , Jas Strong Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <42a0b30f0905171418p67b89ce9r55e511209fbb70dc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero See my response to the previous post. But also: http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28711 Lasers,err I mean phasers, on stun! Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Ray Wong To: Jas Strong Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:18:37 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero especially not in a top-down cosmology approach... we have no origin of the universe, so we're rather stuck with where we seem to be now, and the probable paths to having got here... :) Or did we get past that too? I'm actually quite out of date on quantum mechanics, which I was never completely on top of in the first place (in the classical and not quantum sense) -R. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Jas Strong wrote: > > It seems like you're saying "science was wrong about a, so therefore they > must be wrong about b", which doesn't really follow, does it? > > -J. > > > On 17 May 2009, at 08:29, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > >> You're sweet, but I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. >> >> In fact I am a scientist who comes from a family of scientists. Most >> recently I was the chief scientist at a company developing facial >> recognition and digital forensics technologies among other things. I'm only >> interested in ideas that are testable and verifiable. >> >> Do you think the theory that consciousness emerges from a complex adaptive >> system meets those criteria? I don't. In fact I think the entire term >> "emergence" is poppycock and mysticism of the worst sort and its use here in >> trying to fathom the mystery of consciousness only serves to hide most of >> what we are trying to understand. And I say that as someone that studied >> chaos theory, dynamical systems, and complex systems at UCSC during the >> "Chaos Cabal" era. Incidentally, Conway's game of life is a great >> illustration of this. >> >> As far as the scientific consensus, I'll just be blunt. The consensus is >> often bullshit. A lot of what is believed to be scientific truth is just >> the point of view of the biggest most politically astute assholes and the >> people that control scientific journals. Have you heard of Karl Popper? >> I'd suggest reading some books on the philosophy and history of science if >> you are not familiar with this idea. >> >> In my field there was recently a publication of a short article in the >> prestigious publication Science by a group from the University of Manchester >> claiming 100% recognition accuracy from a facial recognition system. >> Unfortunately, this claim is entirely bogus as any skilled practitioner in >> the field could have told the reviewers. Although they obviously didn't >> consult the right people before publication, a number of people did write to >> the magazine and a follow up piece critiquing the original article was >> published. But this doesn't always happen. More often the bullshit >> prevails. As you yourself said, feed your head but watch what you eat. And >> Deepak Chopra isn't the only bullshit out there. >> >> My father is retired now, but he was a biologist doing research in a field >> that is now called protein transport. The consensus was that proteins were >> too large to pass through cell walls. My father believed that this was >> incorrect and developed an alternative model. His views were actively >> suppressed, his lab denied funding, his career damaged by the keepers of >> "consensus". Thing is, it turns out they were wrong. And in case you think >> this is just harmless, its pretty clear that people died and diseases went >> untreated as a result. >> >> As far as the invisibility cloak, everything you said is correct. But you >> left out something. Just ten years ago the consensus was that even this >> limited notion of invisibility was impossible, Today the consensus is that >> it can't be scaled up. Maybe that's right, but then again maybe its not. >> >> Your favorite head toy the laser wasn't even invented until the 1950s. >> Now it is fundamental to global communication and other applications. As I >> understand it, the most likely application for this invisibility thing is >> not making macroscopic objects invisible but as part of a high speed digital >> communications system of some sort. But in 50 years? Hard to say. >> >> Best, >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jas Strong >> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >> Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:30:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero >> >> >> On 16 May 2009, at 20:46, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> >>> You are quick to dismiss ideas that seem (to you) to be outside the realm >>> of science. But today's science was once fiction. >>> >> >> Yes, but we don't get from there to here by just making stuff up; >> theories have to be predictive, and they have to be testable, and there has >> to be evidence that supports them. You don't go off on a mad hypothesis. >> You seem to be ready to accept almost anything that contradicts the current >> consensus; why is that? are you trying to escape from something? >> >> For example, consider the recent developments in creating an actual >>> invisibility cloak. >>> >> >> That only works on microscopic scales, in the deep infra-red. Oh, and it >> needs monochromaticity, too. So it's not really what they hyped it as (and, >> yes, I'm an optics expert, as it happens.) >> >> Not all complex adaptive systems are consciousnesses. What >>> differentiates consciousness from the rest? >>> >> >> Complexity, self-awareness, and the ability to predict the internal state >> of others. >> >> You say we "have to" take the Gell-Mann approach to characterizing >>> consciousness, and while I am extremely happy to meet someone that actually >>> knows who Gell-Mann is, I certainly don't agree with that assertion. >>> Gell-Mann has one theory of consciousness. His theory remains speculative. >>> Personally I think this field remains wide open to new ideas, theories, and >>> even experimentation. >>> >> >> Yeah, like Matt said, I like experimentation too. >> >> Also, you missed my point about time/space scale. All of the entities >>> except aliens which I listed exist. The point is that some of them exist at >>> very different time/space scales than a person. Note that the only things >>> which you admit as having consciousness all exist at a similar time/space >>> scale to yourself. Does consciousness only exist at one particular >>> time/space scale? >>> >> >> On this planet? No. Ask a blue whale. >> >> Why? >>> >> >> In order for a thing to be conscious it must meet the requirements of >> being a suitable substrate for consciousness. I do not believe that most of >> the objects you mentioned meet those requirements. >> >> Requirements include the ability to compute, the ability to store >> memories, and the ability to modify behaviour based on those memories. >> There are (clearly) more, but those are fundamental. >> >> -J. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150866-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 00:30:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66232 invoked by uid 1103); 18 May 2009 00:30:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66215 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 00:30:00 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on bit.tuplemovers.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:29:29 +0000 From: Holt Sorenson To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, def-announce@defsf.com Message-ID: <20090518002929.GX4079@hsomusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] single mackie hr824 for sale I'm the second owner. The first set it up in a home theater and then decided it was too much for his room. He sold it to me after owning it for a couple of months. I found another set of monitors after buying it and before I found a second monitor to go with it. It hasn't had much use. It comes in its original box with a power cord. Asking $350. Infos: http://www.mackie.com/pdf/hr824_om.pdf -- Holt Sorenson/Eclektronik Groove hso@hsomusic.com hsomusic.com - myspace.com/hsomusic - twitter.com/hsomusic KZSU (kzsulive.stanford.edu) show Mon @ 9AM-12PM US/Pacific --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150867-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 03:44:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14437 invoked by uid 1103); 18 May 2009 03:44:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14414 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 03:44:30 -0000 From: orotoro To: Ray Wong In-Reply-To: <42a0b30f0905171418p67b89ce9r55e511209fbb70dc@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5H11) References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> <362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42a0b30f0905171418p67b89ce9r55e511209fbb70dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <01C8D2C9-08C5-490D-AAC2-F547D5A3B441@technoprisoners.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5H11) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:44:46 -0700 Cc: Jas Strong , "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" , Paul Simcovich-Hayden , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero being such a McKenna head, I'm inclined to mention his big criticism of science in general: "give us one free miracle [the big bang] and we'll give you the rest." '0ro+or0' On May 17, 2009, at 14:18, Ray Wong wrote: > especially not in a top-down cosmology approach... we have no origin > of the > universe, so we're rather stuck with where we seem to be now, and the > probable paths to having got here... :) > Or did we get past that too? I'm actually quite out of date on > quantum > mechanics, which I was never completely on top of in the first place > (in the > classical and not quantum sense) > > -R. > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Jas Strong > wrote: > >> >> It seems like you're saying "science was wrong about a, so >> therefore they >> must be wrong about b", which doesn't really follow, does it? >> >> -J. >> >> >> On 17 May 2009, at 08:29, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> >>> You're sweet, but I think what we have here is a failure to >>> communicate. >>> >>> In fact I am a scientist who comes from a family of scientists. >>> Most >>> recently I was the chief scientist at a company developing facial >>> recognition and digital forensics technologies among other >>> things. I'm only >>> interested in ideas that are testable and verifiable. >>> >>> Do you think the theory that consciousness emerges from a complex >>> adaptive >>> system meets those criteria? I don't. In fact I think the entire >>> term >>> "emergence" is poppycock and mysticism of the worst sort and its >>> use here in >>> trying to fathom the mystery of consciousness only serves to hide >>> most of >>> what we are trying to understand. And I say that as someone that >>> studied >>> chaos theory, dynamical systems, and complex systems at UCSC >>> during the >>> "Chaos Cabal" era. Incidentally, Conway's game of life is a great >>> illustration of this. >>> >>> As far as the scientific consensus, I'll just be blunt. The >>> consensus is >>> often bullshit. A lot of what is believed to be scientific truth >>> is just >>> the point of view of the biggest most politically astute assholes >>> and the >>> people that control scientific journals. Have you heard of Karl >>> Popper? >>> I'd suggest reading some books on the philosophy and history of >>> science if >>> you are not familiar with this idea. >>> >>> In my field there was recently a publication of a short article in >>> the >>> prestigious publication Science by a group from the University of >>> Manchester >>> claiming 100% recognition accuracy from a facial recognition system. >>> Unfortunately, this claim is entirely bogus as any skilled >>> practitioner in >>> the field could have told the reviewers. Although they obviously >>> didn't >>> consult the right people before publication, a number of people >>> did write to >>> the magazine and a follow up piece critiquing the original article >>> was >>> published. But this doesn't always happen. More often the bullshit >>> prevails. As you yourself said, feed your head but watch what you >>> eat. And >>> Deepak Chopra isn't the only bullshit out there. >>> >>> My father is retired now, but he was a biologist doing research in >>> a field >>> that is now called protein transport. The consensus was that >>> proteins were >>> too large to pass through cell walls. My father believed that >>> this was >>> incorrect and developed an alternative model. His views were >>> actively >>> suppressed, his lab denied funding, his career damaged by the >>> keepers of >>> "consensus". Thing is, it turns out they were wrong. And in case >>> you think >>> this is just harmless, its pretty clear that people died and >>> diseases went >>> untreated as a result. >>> >>> As far as the invisibility cloak, everything you said is correct. >>> But you >>> left out something. Just ten years ago the consensus was that >>> even this >>> limited notion of invisibility was impossible, Today the >>> consensus is that >>> it can't be scaled up. Maybe that's right, but then again maybe >>> its not. >>> >>> Your favorite head toy the laser wasn't even invented until the >>> 1950s. >>> Now it is fundamental to global communication and other >>> applications. As I >>> understand it, the most likely application for this invisibility >>> thing is >>> not making macroscopic objects invisible but as part of a high >>> speed digital >>> communications system of some sort. But in 50 years? Hard to say. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Jas Strong >>> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >>> Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org >>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:30:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave >>> zero >>> >>> >>> On 16 May 2009, at 20:46, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You are quick to dismiss ideas that seem (to you) to be outside >>>> the realm >>>> of science. But today's science was once fiction. >>>> >>> >>> Yes, but we don't get from there to here by just making stuff up; >>> theories have to be predictive, and they have to be testable, and >>> there has >>> to be evidence that supports them. You don't go off on a mad >>> hypothesis. >>> You seem to be ready to accept almost anything that contradicts >>> the current >>> consensus; why is that? are you trying to escape from something? >>> >>> For example, consider the recent developments in creating an actual >>>> invisibility cloak. >>>> >>> >>> That only works on microscopic scales, in the deep infra-red. Oh, >>> and it >>> needs monochromaticity, too. So it's not really what they hyped >>> it as (and, >>> yes, I'm an optics expert, as it happens.) >>> >>> Not all complex adaptive systems are consciousnesses. What >>>> differentiates consciousness from the rest? >>>> >>> >>> Complexity, self-awareness, and the ability to predict the >>> internal state >>> of others. >>> >>> You say we "have to" take the Gell-Mann approach to characterizing >>>> consciousness, and while I am extremely happy to meet someone >>>> that actually >>>> knows who Gell-Mann is, I certainly don't agree with that >>>> assertion. >>>> Gell-Mann has one theory of consciousness. His theory remains >>>> speculative. >>>> Personally I think this field remains wide open to new ideas, >>>> theories, and >>>> even experimentation. >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, like Matt said, I like experimentation too. >>> >>> Also, you missed my point about time/space scale. All of the >>> entities >>>> except aliens which I listed exist. The point is that some of >>>> them exist at >>>> very different time/space scales than a person. Note that the >>>> only things >>>> which you admit as having consciousness all exist at a similar >>>> time/space >>>> scale to yourself. Does consciousness only exist at one particular >>>> time/space scale? >>>> >>> >>> On this planet? No. Ask a blue whale. >>> >>> Why? >>>> >>> >>> In order for a thing to be conscious it must meet the requirements >>> of >>> being a suitable substrate for consciousness. I do not believe >>> that most of >>> the objects you mentioned meet those requirements. >>> >>> Requirements include the ability to compute, the ability to store >>> memories, and the ability to modify behaviour based on those >>> memories. >>> There are (clearly) more, but those are fundamental. >>> >>> -J. >>> >>> --- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150868-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 04:14:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38565 invoked by uid 1103); 18 May 2009 04:14:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38543 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 04:14:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242620098; bh=hMKfEhRQAmYyhUevRvZQEV930kipJ7oNSJyXbFtQajY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GBmH6241+fBiOeq2V0Ts9vE/AB+F6Upffl8tLuw9T2vho/ANFCUony6boAY6rqoTjBQDWk/YwG2aw54t4SyLBbuQcs+IHbUVkXlNRSPZ1CedWZqeoW2U6dZDCExspgmnDDwITmVhYNvKBFaWAANF1NXb0EVq3og/ZQoSN2fx0vQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m6++T2oFmnCS4kpKM0WD3IdGtOMHMwfWHXvA8Gbo04/G/SeJr5+qoxO4GElWDkbOQAJeW4+DlIOOWv3FcE0DdL2+2D2aOuxz9BSXEk0fFJnkpz8dylT4ijp/nGGnbuuKZHdPY3WQtrtYrKAvZt3c2YbDDc787yB3dLN1mzFSNK8=; Message-ID: <144286.4323.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xJmJwlQVM1kWKrBd1H.vLARMx1ocS959PY6Zgm4ayp9zefKZx0Ch.PJVdlFrdYL8e.50ceq4viidurj40dlpdQmXqB7EfeRyQ8aKrkkMhJQhR3sIJMSz5R.H7gPkXeU1b7lvMJAH5nVcRK6ZD2W4uGVJKuE0jT2RWf8gM0tHtTWXwY.Jx2o87Tc9AeaLJpJ9SLX8kncopgKPoXgfxFE6hxpGaw1BQhr8cv9BtPLTEvhPQPU8TT9jpMvEuVov1fON4rGW.L5Rn1u9LtvxWR51ZHpH_8e2MJin7reYw31FSsepkoMYzFurjfK_Y0EdTv8vUFLasgU1iLDh2vORV_Unx5WLuTMIh7kofrE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, def-announce@defsf.com, Holt Sorenson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-339971783-1242620097=:4323" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] single mackie hr824 for sale --0-339971783-1242620097=:4323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ooohhhh nice!!!! --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Holt Sorenson wrote: From: Holt Sorenson Subject: [sfraves] single mackie hr824 for sale To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, def-announce@defsf.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 5:29 PM I'm the second owner. The first set it up in a home theater and then decided it was too much for his room. He sold it to me after owning it for a couple of months. I found another set of monitors after buying it and before I found a second monitor to go with it. It hasn't had much use. It comes in its original box with a power cord. Asking $350. Infos: http://www.mackie.com/pdf/hr824_om.pdf -- Holt Sorenson/Eclektronik Groove hso@hsomusic.com hsomusic.com - myspace.com/hsomusic - twitter.com/hsomusic KZSU (kzsulive.stanford.edu) show Mon @ 9AM-12PM US/Pacific --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-339971783-1242620097=:4323-- From sfraves-return-150869-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 04:33:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53719 invoked by uid 1103); 18 May 2009 04:33:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53696 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 04:33:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=i/8N+AK8YXpcfV/DaUgZrNcTFKSs8oTMwCpTS2COK4o=; b=YyDgbH9AgYrUYdWXPsh8ED6YO5RUW/q+pXj0yIYP2pUa0PluS/6GCbbXiLDBGsB9Q6 mSl4SG2gHgh/+a0FqpIejgXaa9wYfSOrwIVU1hbNGI4nEoroUJ+1F5VVR8Zam1b7qGbF OnIax7iOryxYjvIQse6gC7X7ITgozOUbmKRK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=SEPekESdt4zHcDII4ihnZ+Hr8ebtOSBXyD2LvEMUYP3HrX73eqr98jXAwl8cLcCwpJ oCFiMz7fs6Ff7OWwEtu9yChQO9lxYKqL1QsPZZ1GREcwSy+JtN4pdsGyYUt/+nRcQ4cN HJKYCgzuwrQiiA6UmEaosYDdClvpnw/m8NwNw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01C8D2C9-08C5-490D-AAC2-F547D5A3B441@technoprisoners.org> References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> <362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42a0b30f0905171418p67b89ce9r55e511209fbb70dc@mail.gmail.com> <01C8D2C9-08C5-490D-AAC2-F547D5A3B441@technoprisoners.org> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:34:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: orotoro Cc: Ray Wong , Jas Strong , "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" , Paul Simcovich-Hayden , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ef090b8dcfe046a284d7d X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --0016364ef090b8dcfe046a284d7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:44 PM, orotoro wrote: > being such a McKenna head, I'm inclined to mention his big criticism of > science in general: "give us one free miracle [the big bang] and we'll give > you the rest." > Now come on... no scientist believes the big bang was a miracle. Science doesn't know how to explain it yet, but I think we'll figure it out with infinite time. > > '0ro+or0' > > > On May 17, 2009, at 14:18, Ray Wong wrote: > > especially not in a top-down cosmology approach... we have no origin of >> the >> universe, so we're rather stuck with where we seem to be now, and the >> probable paths to having got here... :) >> Or did we get past that too? I'm actually quite out of date on quantum >> mechanics, which I was never completely on top of in the first place (in >> the >> classical and not quantum sense) >> >> -R. >> >> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Jas Strong > >wrote: >> >> >>> It seems like you're saying "science was wrong about a, so therefore they >>> must be wrong about b", which doesn't really follow, does it? >>> >>> -J. >>> >>> >>> On 17 May 2009, at 08:29, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> You're sweet, but I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. >>>> >>>> In fact I am a scientist who comes from a family of scientists. Most >>>> recently I was the chief scientist at a company developing facial >>>> recognition and digital forensics technologies among other things. I'm >>>> only >>>> interested in ideas that are testable and verifiable. >>>> >>>> Do you think the theory that consciousness emerges from a complex >>>> adaptive >>>> system meets those criteria? I don't. In fact I think the entire term >>>> "emergence" is poppycock and mysticism of the worst sort and its use >>>> here in >>>> trying to fathom the mystery of consciousness only serves to hide most >>>> of >>>> what we are trying to understand. And I say that as someone that >>>> studied >>>> chaos theory, dynamical systems, and complex systems at UCSC during the >>>> "Chaos Cabal" era. Incidentally, Conway's game of life is a great >>>> illustration of this. >>>> >>>> As far as the scientific consensus, I'll just be blunt. The consensus >>>> is >>>> often bullshit. A lot of what is believed to be scientific truth is >>>> just >>>> the point of view of the biggest most politically astute assholes and >>>> the >>>> people that control scientific journals. Have you heard of Karl Popper? >>>> I'd suggest reading some books on the philosophy and history of science >>>> if >>>> you are not familiar with this idea. >>>> >>>> In my field there was recently a publication of a short article in the >>>> prestigious publication Science by a group from the University of >>>> Manchester >>>> claiming 100% recognition accuracy from a facial recognition system. >>>> Unfortunately, this claim is entirely bogus as any skilled practitioner >>>> in >>>> the field could have told the reviewers. Although they obviously didn't >>>> consult the right people before publication, a number of people did >>>> write to >>>> the magazine and a follow up piece critiquing the original article was >>>> published. But this doesn't always happen. More often the bullshit >>>> prevails. As you yourself said, feed your head but watch what you eat. >>>> And >>>> Deepak Chopra isn't the only bullshit out there. >>>> >>>> My father is retired now, but he was a biologist doing research in a >>>> field >>>> that is now called protein transport. The consensus was that proteins >>>> were >>>> too large to pass through cell walls. My father believed that this was >>>> incorrect and developed an alternative model. His views were actively >>>> suppressed, his lab denied funding, his career damaged by the keepers of >>>> "consensus". Thing is, it turns out they were wrong. And in case you >>>> think >>>> this is just harmless, its pretty clear that people died and diseases >>>> went >>>> untreated as a result. >>>> >>>> As far as the invisibility cloak, everything you said is correct. But >>>> you >>>> left out something. Just ten years ago the consensus was that even this >>>> limited notion of invisibility was impossible, Today the consensus is >>>> that >>>> it can't be scaled up. Maybe that's right, but then again maybe its >>>> not. >>>> >>>> Your favorite head toy the laser wasn't even invented until the 1950s. >>>> Now it is fundamental to global communication and other applications. >>>> As I >>>> understand it, the most likely application for this invisibility thing >>>> is >>>> not making macroscopic objects invisible but as part of a high speed >>>> digital >>>> communications system of some sort. But in 50 years? Hard to say. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Jas Strong >>>> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >>>> Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:30:41 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 May 2009, at 20:46, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> You are quick to dismiss ideas that seem (to you) to be outside the >>>>> realm >>>>> of science. But today's science was once fiction. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yes, but we don't get from there to here by just making stuff up; >>>> theories have to be predictive, and they have to be testable, and there >>>> has >>>> to be evidence that supports them. You don't go off on a mad >>>> hypothesis. >>>> You seem to be ready to accept almost anything that contradicts the >>>> current >>>> consensus; why is that? are you trying to escape from something? >>>> >>>> For example, consider the recent developments in creating an actual >>>> >>>>> invisibility cloak. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> That only works on microscopic scales, in the deep infra-red. Oh, and >>>> it >>>> needs monochromaticity, too. So it's not really what they hyped it as >>>> (and, >>>> yes, I'm an optics expert, as it happens.) >>>> >>>> Not all complex adaptive systems are consciousnesses. What >>>> >>>>> differentiates consciousness from the rest? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Complexity, self-awareness, and the ability to predict the internal >>>> state >>>> of others. >>>> >>>> You say we "have to" take the Gell-Mann approach to characterizing >>>> >>>>> consciousness, and while I am extremely happy to meet someone that >>>>> actually >>>>> knows who Gell-Mann is, I certainly don't agree with that assertion. >>>>> Gell-Mann has one theory of consciousness. His theory remains >>>>> speculative. >>>>> Personally I think this field remains wide open to new ideas, theories, >>>>> and >>>>> even experimentation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yeah, like Matt said, I like experimentation too. >>>> >>>> Also, you missed my point about time/space scale. All of the entities >>>> >>>>> except aliens which I listed exist. The point is that some of them >>>>> exist at >>>>> very different time/space scales than a person. Note that the only >>>>> things >>>>> which you admit as having consciousness all exist at a similar >>>>> time/space >>>>> scale to yourself. Does consciousness only exist at one particular >>>>> time/space scale? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> On this planet? No. Ask a blue whale. >>>> >>>> Why? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> In order for a thing to be conscious it must meet the requirements of >>>> being a suitable substrate for consciousness. I do not believe that >>>> most of >>>> the objects you mentioned meet those requirements. >>>> >>>> Requirements include the ability to compute, the ability to store >>>> memories, and the ability to modify behaviour based on those memories. >>>> There are (clearly) more, but those are fundamental. >>>> >>>> -J. >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0016364ef090b8dcfe046a284d7d-- From sfraves-return-150870-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 04:41:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63683 invoked by uid 1103); 18 May 2009 04:41:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63666 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 04:41:43 -0000 Cc: orotoro , Ray Wong , "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" , Paul Simcovich-Hayden , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Message-Id: <44D45F0A-2A73-4358-9A4A-CD2EDFEF65AC@heroicrobot.com> From: Jas Strong To: Matt Stone In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-174037057 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:42:05 -0700 References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <422601.77235.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> <362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42a0b30f0905171418p67b89ce9r55e511209fbb70dc@mail.gmail.com> <01C8D2C9-08C5-490D-AAC2-F547D5A3B441@technoprisoners.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --Apple-Mail-1-174037057 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 17 May 2009, at 21:34, Matt Stone wrote: > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:44 PM, orotoro > wrote: > being such a McKenna head, I'm inclined to mention his big criticism > of science in general: "give us one free miracle [the big bang] and > we'll give you the rest." > > Now come on... no scientist believes the big bang was a miracle. > Science doesn't know how to explain it yet, but I think we'll figure > it out with infinite time. > The one thing we're all agreed on is that we don't have an infinite time left in the universe... the stars will run down. http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html -J. --Apple-Mail-1-174037057-- From sfraves-return-150871-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 04:44:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66884 invoked by uid 1103); 18 May 2009 04:44:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66866 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 04:44:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=TUpMezOY1DVxW9BflmHHMiVgJQuMqXbFvy6y2zcye+I=; b=X7LIKd6HzShJTatBWkj9gr5PFBWB+08owPNMKyhdfqCEIjgqKwPgZh71s6X4dVANKg wIUHtIyfjNzEVlDHmtNfkdgQ1tVJjue74TJqHUYiqA3wIqOApkAQaia612UGx3di2n8h Nxa4bptn/CCM82XC5+3sR/oSeXTOGTMIiFc2M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=jUrSxrh+2mBRR+FNalDRpEaESsf20HLUccRcKoUrWneysWmhPagC5rhUpyurh25uTP LgL7DeaWnhfD5h99moGsideLgzgp5O2J5QcHGG/xX/HcRb9ZrrUYbH4SvBJQ/hgIe64y Gw7AIh14lEBu5BsnNPPUV9z7qL39WD4LG9iqc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44D45F0A-2A73-4358-9A4A-CD2EDFEF65AC@heroicrobot.com> References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> <362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42a0b30f0905171418p67b89ce9r55e511209fbb70dc@mail.gmail.com> <01C8D2C9-08C5-490D-AAC2-F547D5A3B441@technoprisoners.org> <44D45F0A-2A73-4358-9A4A-CD2EDFEF65AC@heroicrobot.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:45:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: Jas Strong Cc: orotoro , Ray Wong , "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" , Paul Simcovich-Hayden , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163642765901b8cf046a287544 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero --00163642765901b8cf046a287544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Jas Strong wrote: > > On 17 May 2009, at 21:34, Matt Stone wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:44 PM, orotoro wrote: > >> being such a McKenna head, I'm inclined to mention his big criticism of >> science in general: "give us one free miracle [the big bang] and we'll give >> you the rest." >> > > Now come on... no scientist believes the big bang was a miracle. Science > doesn't know how to explain it yet, but I think we'll figure it out with > infinite time. > > > > The one thing we're all agreed on is that we don't have an infinite time > left in the universe... the stars will run down. > > http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html > > -J. > Ok I'll bet you a beer that we'll figure out how the universe came into being before it ends --00163642765901b8cf046a287544-- From sfraves-return-150872-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 07:03:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89702 invoked by uid 1103); 18 May 2009 07:03:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89664 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 07:03:45 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on bit.tuplemovers.net X-Spam-Level: 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<362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42a0b30f0905171418p67b89ce9r55e511209fbb70dc@mail.gmail.com> <01C8D2C9-08C5-490D-AAC2-F547D5A3B441@technoprisoners.org> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 07:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: orotoro , Ray Wong Cc: Jas Strong , Paul Simcovich-Hayden , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: <01C8D2C9-08C5-490D-AAC2-F547D5A3B441@technoprisoners.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero Andy, did McKenna say that in From Eros to Eschaton? Or...??? Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: orotoro To: Ray Wong Cc: Jas Strong ; "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" ; Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:44:46 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero being such a McKenna head, I'm inclined to mention his big criticism of science in general: "give us one free miracle [the big bang] and we'll give you the rest." '0ro+or0' On May 17, 2009, at 14:18, Ray Wong wrote: > especially not in a top-down cosmology approach... we have no origin of the > universe, so we're rather stuck with where we seem to be now, and the > probable paths to having got here... :) > Or did we get past that too? I'm actually quite out of date on quantum > mechanics, which I was never completely on top of in the first place (in the > classical and not quantum sense) > > -R. > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Jas Strong wrote: > >> >> It seems like you're saying "science was wrong about a, so therefore they >> must be wrong about b", which doesn't really follow, does it? >> >> -J. >> >> >> On 17 May 2009, at 08:29, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> >>> You're sweet, but I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. >>> >>> In fact I am a scientist who comes from a family of scientists. Most >>> recently I was the chief scientist at a company developing facial >>> recognition and digital forensics technologies among other things. I'm only >>> interested in ideas that are testable and verifiable. >>> >>> Do you think the theory that consciousness emerges from a complex adaptive >>> system meets those criteria? I don't. In fact I think the entire term >>> "emergence" is poppycock and mysticism of the worst sort and its use here in >>> trying to fathom the mystery of consciousness only serves to hide most of >>> what we are trying to understand. And I say that as someone that studied >>> chaos theory, dynamical systems, and complex systems at UCSC during the >>> "Chaos Cabal" era. Incidentally, Conway's game of life is a great >>> illustration of this. >>> >>> As far as the scientific consensus, I'll just be blunt. The consensus is >>> often bullshit. A lot of what is believed to be scientific truth is just >>> the point of view of the biggest most politically astute assholes and the >>> people that control scientific journals. Have you heard of Karl Popper? >>> I'd suggest reading some books on the philosophy and history of science if >>> you are not familiar with this idea. >>> >>> In my field there was recently a publication of a short article in the >>> prestigious publication Science by a group from the University of Manchester >>> claiming 100% recognition accuracy from a facial recognition system. >>> Unfortunately, this claim is entirely bogus as any skilled practitioner in >>> the field could have told the reviewers. Although they obviously didn't >>> consult the right people before publication, a number of people did write to >>> the magazine and a follow up piece critiquing the original article was >>> published. But this doesn't always happen. More often the bullshit >>> prevails. As you yourself said, feed your head but watch what you eat. And >>> Deepak Chopra isn't the only bullshit out there. >>> >>> My father is retired now, but he was a biologist doing research in a field >>> that is now called protein transport. The consensus was that proteins were >>> too large to pass through cell walls. My father believed that this was >>> incorrect and developed an alternative model. His views were actively >>> suppressed, his lab denied funding, his career damaged by the keepers of >>> "consensus". Thing is, it turns out they were wrong. And in case you think >>> this is just harmless, its pretty clear that people died and diseases went >>> untreated as a result. >>> >>> As far as the invisibility cloak, everything you said is correct. But you >>> left out something. Just ten years ago the consensus was that even this >>> limited notion of invisibility was impossible, Today the consensus is that >>> it can't be scaled up. Maybe that's right, but then again maybe its not. >>> >>> Your favorite head toy the laser wasn't even invented until the 1950s. >>> Now it is fundamental to global communication and other applications. As I >>> understand it, the most likely application for this invisibility thing is >>> not making macroscopic objects invisible but as part of a high speed digital >>> communications system of some sort. But in 50 years? Hard to say. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Jas Strong >>> To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com >>> Cc: Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; sfraves@hyperreal.org >>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:30:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero >>> >>> >>> On 16 May 2009, at 20:46, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You are quick to dismiss ideas that seem (to you) to be outside the realm >>>> of science. But today's science was once fiction. >>>> >>> >>> Yes, but we don't get from there to here by just making stuff up; >>> theories have to be predictive, and they have to be testable, and there has >>> to be evidence that supports them. You don't go off on a mad hypothesis. >>> You seem to be ready to accept almost anything that contradicts the current >>> consensus; why is that? are you trying to escape from something? >>> >>> For example, consider the recent developments in creating an actual >>>> invisibility cloak. >>>> >>> >>> That only works on microscopic scales, in the deep infra-red. Oh, and it >>> needs monochromaticity, too. So it's not really what they hyped it as (and, >>> yes, I'm an optics expert, as it happens.) >>> >>> Not all complex adaptive systems are consciousnesses. What >>>> differentiates consciousness from the rest? >>>> >>> >>> Complexity, self-awareness, and the ability to predict the internal state >>> of others. >>> >>> You say we "have to" take the Gell-Mann approach to characterizing >>>> consciousness, and while I am extremely happy to meet someone that actually >>>> knows who Gell-Mann is, I certainly don't agree with that assertion. >>>> Gell-Mann has one theory of consciousness. His theory remains speculative. >>>> Personally I think this field remains wide open to new ideas, theories, and >>>> even experimentation. >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, like Matt said, I like experimentation too. >>> >>> Also, you missed my point about time/space scale. All of the entities >>>> except aliens which I listed exist. The point is that some of them exist at >>>> very different time/space scales than a person. Note that the only things >>>> which you admit as having consciousness all exist at a similar time/space >>>> scale to yourself. Does consciousness only exist at one particular >>>> time/space scale? >>>> >>> >>> On this planet? No. Ask a blue whale. >>> >>> Why? >>>> >>> >>> In order for a thing to be conscious it must meet the requirements of >>> being a suitable substrate for consciousness. I do not believe that most of >>> the objects you mentioned meet those requirements. >>> >>> Requirements include the ability to compute, the ability to store >>> memories, and the ability to modify behaviour based on those memories. >>> There are (clearly) more, but those are fundamental. >>> >>> -J. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150874-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 14:18:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53056 invoked by uid 1103); 18 May 2009 14:18:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53037 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 14:18:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242656338; bh=ew8PQe5XDmEkS1emAk7dRJ9E9N6n0ksbJgeaRtLrKgc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lDgBhFvrISjS0QosvufKAEoYtMiVuDsngsFVDTZhhP51XrHlzNxo2ob2/Rb8zYkw+67CF3onrQrf7++y26Yl7jtmxGO+wHU5Ex9Yqe1tToCNO723DjVHmFpJgqstLFmHvmPPPJ1bqt7SrdRgoJOcPh2arDvUtfV5fQQvR0yGWqE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jB7VuKi9zIW2+Gsa1EalmNlA5xGW34A0dRc6CL/TOR1OsVXazsYyQLx20D+YPf4qqTgxgo8iK/d+wlXu2y2YlZyJ/UizP+6aGpOhXKgPpBG3zm4MBqn9XiUUjOGLD3NRn9KLE8lJIHoSbkgUIIXkugTbM04YlzPXHLef9Gq/B28=; Message-ID: <881659.27636.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UwoJI9UVM1nWt2h89luE6RGaMGXJm9InakbRCUt5NexfHVlvjxYd3p3.NBN_pp6clcthPDt5osVVyRNmrUUtuGqhWRSrckLnGx605gGbfoeMHoi84l1e5xm05Zrzv0Xs7U9asZp7mNDy6_irNA2QCJ250yaIK1QwTiFQ4OeEvD_gR4s1_PgA4lE77mDTzotu6unzAHPXrsDkchuUQcWmYVGRoxFlQXrWhooluhjVk3BOHXlkQyuT.v88jMU4JsC4E80PkWdnVIEaD5cheCffyQdYKnzu6TpNZt6OE11wdO5VbxWVm0L7LjARrHVp8l8X13Yb56Yac3avf1Bc.qsOz3Nb9_OyROLiamG2TBfz X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <818551.95184.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <420021.54733.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <324BE554-DBCB-4015-8872-260335FFD1DB@heroicrobot.com> <362230.2840.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42a0b30f0905171418p67b89ce9r55e511209fbb70dc@mail.gmail.com> <01C8D2C9-08C5-490D-AAC2-F547D5A3B441@technoprisoners.org> <44D45F0A-2A73-4358-9A4A-CD2EDFEF65AC@heroicrobot.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 07:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Matt Stone , Jas Strong Cc: orotoro , Ray Wong , Paul Simcovich-Hayden , "sfraves@hyperreal.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero I'll take that bet. In general there is no guarantee that we'll be able to understand any particular aspect of the way the world works. And it is rather mysterious that mathematics seems to work at all for the purpose of representing reality in the first place. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreasonable_Effectiveness_of_Mathematics_in_the_Natural_Sciences Furthermore, if some being descended from humans exists at the end of time and actually understands the origins of the universe, I'd guess they'd resemble us even less than we resemble an amoeba. The idea that "we" will understand the origins of the universe may not really apply here. Some might argue that the "big bang" refers to a singularity in the equations we use to model universe rather than in the universe itself. Our equations can be wrong or incomplete. Remember relativity theory? It is an extension of Newton's equations of motion. ANd as always, it is important to remember that it is a model, a theory about how the world works, and not a God given truth. See the debate with DVDhex which I linked yesterday in which he argues this point in a fairly detailed manner (with references) and also http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/pub/modern-cosmology-science-or-folktale/1 if you are interested in additional details on some of the huge issues with modern cosmology and cosmological models. The most notable thing, IMO, is the very small number of independent experiments which are used to estimate the parameters of cosmological models. I understand that the number is comparable to the number of variables in the models used. In general this scenario results in "over fitting" of the model and corespondingly bad prediction results. It is a no no in my world, and I've encountered this issue many times in pattern recognition work when there are not enough samples available to train a classifier properly. This problem is described in pretty much every text on statistics and regression or any decent machine learning text. See for example Bishop's "Pattern Recognition and Machine Learning" page 7. Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Stone To: Jas Strong Cc: orotoro ; Ray Wong ; "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" ; Paul Simcovich-Hayden ; "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:45:01 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SFRaves and how it used to be and timewave zero On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Jas Strong wrote: > > On 17 May 2009, at 21:34, Matt Stone wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:44 PM, orotoro wrote: > >> being such a McKenna head, I'm inclined to mention his big criticism of >> science in general: "give us one free miracle [the big bang] and we'll give >> you the rest." >> > > Now come on... no scientist believes the big bang was a miracle. Science > doesn't know how to explain it yet, but I think we'll figure it out with > infinite time. > > > > The one thing we're all agreed on is that we don't have an infinite time > left in the universe... the stars will run down. > > http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html > > -J. > Ok I'll bet you a beer that we'll figure out how the universe came into being before it ends --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150875-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 15:06:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13067 invoked by uid 1103); 18 May 2009 15:06:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 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This was in my inbox today regarding a new t-shirt from teh Imaginary Foundattion aka Nick Philip. "The laws of physics promote the development of complex self-organizing structures. Given the right conditions, life just emerges. It's quite possible that we inhabit a universe with the potential for far more complex levels of self organization to develop. It's the interaction of the parts that is key. So Major Tom, time to bust out your watering can." From: http://www.imaginaryfoundation.com/index.php?pagemode=detail&type=Mens%20T&uid=B1CF46# --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150878-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 20 20:46:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33974 invoked by uid 1103); 20 May 2009 20:46:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33955 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 20:46:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QM2D5KGs79hgmlhMyIP8LJKyd/nvvAQPBYqh+UnIVGo=; b=X2REIlyTUWCt0kYCgu54+fDkZxvCmHdB+qSKuT/yl+2bkLoQ0t0rIEfGWmfklW9OkF UN38bncXHdUFngmXJ0tW2NANunqhPLODDx4/YZy2sEMF9DraDdPFy4zeFlf4/1zUUsvn qyetai/oC5v9Nbq9OPEmcc2v3r573TwkLPMwE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=DZRFjk1PpyMnAat3wF3ZQRWTYnh/d/1euLgX5CfOqHMPzqoG7ziEh+zqv/WaNoXfxY OFsHGVyGc+k01CQxGjhCTkEiwMwu/aq7aeV3k9vsPNKh3kO2ooSr/bo3rKckCmSerLgz 56XBoqhcuhntGZsDprGWon5ZsJZ90sW2OwqZo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:47:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1c60b9300905201347s66c93766p121325a93bccbdb0@mail.gmail.com> From: Greg Bird To: SFRaves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp: [KONTROL] 4 year anniversary with the West Coast debut of WIGHNOMY BROTHERS! 06.06.09 10pm-8am madness! f'realz y'all! http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h320/bird415/K48BW.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150879-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 20 21:20:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77197 invoked by uid 1103); 20 May 2009 21:20:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77165 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 21:20:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Kmu9A92k28zLZuBHl/HABgf83aqOhR/HQ6A6lUryetU=; b=PL9Qgh7u47SYo8fkg6ucEyB+4dgo5fluIQ4/ne+6o4ABX8F5BY+30POyQPXoRb9kb9 Tlsyg1hRP6ennMnjOna5lxB/ojMX+R6dOsyBywYPbYwz3w8s2TQgrTDP+cUMVqHIGwjk pv+asVcUOjDfNbaWUHXOm5FO4oah9Ne84kz98= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QGeuKVf4YbZNxHFTs1lvNbV2LPzP67pHJgkLHImjvPXAYv+CQNgEGx4j2SOQG4CGSS KpDWYkTFeuXepvSyfINgfNJSvPwvAknKm8UlNAEgUrTU2h91F20+U/8vqUmNKsB0Acug KbtY9NVblt+ShAgk4/sS/YqFAU86XbASFkxLs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1c60b9300905201347s66c93766p121325a93bccbdb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c60b9300905201347s66c93766p121325a93bccbdb0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:20:57 -0700 Message-ID: <19b8baf40905201420l497be19fr6d7fb9fd1ea48bdc@mail.gmail.com> From: Media Bass To: Greg Bird , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e646121871fd22046a5e9a3a X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] bsp: [KONTROL] 4 year anniversary with the West Coast debut of WIGHNOMY BROTHERS! --0016e646121871fd22046a5e9a3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ich mag Vinyl gern!!! On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Greg Bird wrote: > 06.06.09 > > 10pm-8am > > madness! > > f'realz y'all! > > http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h320/bird415/K48BW.jpg > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0016e646121871fd22046a5e9a3a-- From sfraves-return-150880-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 20 21:59:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24023 invoked by uid 1103); 20 May 2009 21:59:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23995 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 21:59:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ah9En69J4FRGoh4nmSH6zIZ2d31fw/GA9a+180hiZlc=; b=XSP1IwjfwUukXeGvvk+f4Zh6BbPpC8bSMyaQh2ysE5acOgQcWv3ZHrufLEhvig2WKO /ZiQCA/7kBS+Fskl+9L6NhrcJrTz+fpEd7Q915bn1kRHF4PL2HmaUrREMN4nZfIiXR1F 0tQuKKT9wZNna4iJlnsUsOywNfoIBxn3K2U9Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Xsa12/xlddDxj24XvIybdyNT520viz9jYR3I5gmaMEEFvHsl7AKpwf319lSpKME0JR BmOovNYAt+Al0Z82Le6J627gIS0azik83x2sSIjZJj5NlH54B3mEBgQ5OJ90pxFSGu7J ocK2Lxl9emGfczqeIAHzDDRXnHaVPmwO3xWIU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:00:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364270d6a9f112046a5f26e7 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Synth cakes --0016364270d6a9f112046a5f26e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.synthgear.com/2009/strange-weird/synthesizer-cakes/ The TB303 cake tastes like acid --0016364270d6a9f112046a5f26e7-- From sfraves-return-150881-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 20 22:01:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26660 invoked by uid 1103); 20 May 2009 22:01:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26588 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 22:01:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242856896; bh=zRSp8GQXd7bDWme0U28jKuOX5mpsneCUnKfSzREOWro=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XEEiJuxTxMQu+g4V17IjUE5aoyhL/hWGdOBJNVWR8LqpUnj4+e4A1ZJznCHxOgiLg50sF2+rC1RKEP0ayIIqqrEsIy+dwi5FugbTpM1moVu56W65zr8waOK737AmZ3CALmWO86KbEWrxEOuSWu6Hx5pVbdBheoJZFpKQNSw8ewg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JyBfIoTVszytAiiwvhQr+0P62+4iNd83ME4wv0Q1VIP6FwZ6JM7wOj6wXrALxSH54fpPqEw3GXX1klLGaRucdHZ5yslBNYYDZbD5vrSTrCw7rwNh0r663ju4nUfQJkxbtaxSBA5DrFmPY9WKAMTet+caNSiwZl2vFYW7MQrFtrU=; Message-ID: <303554.17264.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gAkPTMMVM1l0wuz.fQRSbAK1XbgkpPkaMvCrsWpMSK4t8l41PcfLjOqfQZsI5X6kqfGc3mXYqBewiIbVHNyK8usIXMn2ei2JHRfD_T1ORd2QVNUq4oJI2VQxBaPY1xXsB5dzYgOk247ZuDzLq_InjL1DW60xCQmBZjrfE5T_bNIum1U4DyBBNiiiBe3eqxx1DtJXozODZKxh_7eJ9WsYXKXloCfpQR9ViwFNcYrRDqjWB0Bk12.2apcJJ5IvPYsj2HT9YptzjITlp8cq2mDAOaUxUmCjG4uAhKLlxyHwVqo7l8cBrws21_j6c.m48FQJ_AVUxcOubofn0i7S4rIWt7Op X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" , Matt Stone MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2112684607-1242856896=:17264" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Synth cakes --0-2112684607-1242856896=:17264 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii gotta love this!!!! i want one for my birthday next year!!!!!! <3 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Matt Stone wrote: From: Matt Stone Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Synth cakes To: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:00 PM http://www.synthgear.com/2009/strange-weird/synthesizer-cakes/ The TB303 cake tastes like acid --0-2112684607-1242856896=:17264-- From sfraves-return-150882-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 21 15:27:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12242 invoked by uid 1103); 21 May 2009 15:27:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12218 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 15:27:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jnD7Zo0wtVb1yW0ojrmcvZ6KwoWnSowAP2rxnpxrra0=; b=aBxJU5hWWY538hbNm59IykBogvcx+RldURs14UIRq/Ks5HvLxlnK14L2EasKPxurlQ D53zNAD26uVDQngRalE+sx2QpS8rct8YjVEc3nf/XnIBVy6jf0P6oeehxzeDG/Z9STWp Cq6alKDRAC1CMR2iUlM+Qlpv30nS/xUmejEpU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QlowNN4DV9cPNDWfXAEMOmYQqf2jnEUC7eQ31BAhRNSyALfyPHZyAcsgDSwtOgRQHr faqWuwJ8ypNjA5bn5NF385R2QaD/ScfcSZpxSf6WGZhChRG9zOCrMNbhhDYdQqxae7U0 B8ryueZDsF3AVkenndPU3gFe68JeyMfRg89F0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:27:27 -0700 Message-ID: <19b8baf40905210827u5def60c6iee28a9c612639713@mail.gmail.com> From: Media Bass To: Matt Stone , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485eb041e10e43b046a6dc821 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Synth cakes --001485eb041e10e43b046a6dc821 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Modular cake FTW! On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Matt Stone wrote: > http://www.synthgear.com/2009/strange-weird/synthesizer-cakes/ > > The TB303 cake tastes like acid > --001485eb041e10e43b046a6dc821-- From sfraves-return-150883-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 21 18:23:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40504 invoked by uid 1103); 21 May 2009 18:23:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40480 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 18:23:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4A159C29.8050200@defsf.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:23:37 -0700 From: sean ocean Organization: DEF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SFR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] anybody have travellers coming to town for a month or so? i have a room opening up for a couple summer months. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/sub/1182195753.html if you know of any out of towners that are your friends or are looking for a transition house to your next more permanent space. let me know. sean. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150884-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 22 03:04:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74418 invoked by uid 1103); 22 May 2009 03:04:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74401 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 03:04:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 512680.42003.bm@omp403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242961497; bh=vJsLxL+p4/a5HLihQlLBQybVVNg+HSZBDfx3P4NnvAE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qrh3mAAEtFdIqfHX0GGXKEmKJF3kIZc2n8j0H933WTIWLYBxpM6L4GXCM/PlsBjKvSmlZCCEaCHP2BFR0AAXsNkMNMG5mx+6o1pcFda/RdHo7a4ijseRyzE164U3x+Qglb/2CCeulHNR37EncMs8KIUCNZejJyiVhV4Gorv/hYc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FrvhylV4TyzIttsuhFBvQq0b0N1WaPZs1OKVjfgBSRxAX6C8v0lXbNT9ZzyvmuhYZBmrrSg/7fxj62I4bEKkKZB9+ytAsqYA4EdfTZUL+lixCOIJ9QRLtiSALib7hdRk3PQGm/tIb5265CbzT/4q+6inOYyC2i6fyLj7jnTkZq4=; Message-ID: <361997.30830.qm@web44808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1R1LDzgVM1nrH4XSkx.isGTtd3tizv88_tJ6ZtykP2A0LR90lnygyvq8.6817BojGGJZn0k.Qjx4ODRPShfPrm516fnxdalCtLt4bti5tU5jwlzrzSQ3EAsCiSjkPwjlCil5SJnGOaCAkP7TcfupEb_D69ulrkyJrK_cJjoATC10kneWLFXR7AesuiWKbI3LlQzbmgua3X1sx_8mlw62z23YSmmCPAqZgfeZZOXxKZAs1IDdGvaQ7Vh_wlweZX4pIPz0mqbAyR4wsrNyww-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Simcovich-Hayden To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1483553473-1242961497=:30830" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Time Travel and Hyperspace and Worm Holes --0-1483553473-1242961497=:30830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the earth was about to be destroyed by some dark evil entity that wanted= to suck that life force from the planet and there was nothing anyone could= do about it how would we escape? =A0 Should we use a starship with hypergate abilities to jump through a wormhol= e and move to another part of the universe and look for another planet that= can support life?=20 I saw the new new Star Trek movie and they escaped a huge black hole by eng= aging their warp drives and then ejecting their core into the singularity= =A0to create a shockwave that would propell them forward away from the sing= ularity and into=A0their self created=A0wormhole=A0while the blackhole/sing= ularity was sucking in everything possible, the enemy ship, a planet, and t= he enterprise.=20 =A0 Yeah i know its a movie and its science fiction but it is all based on theo= retical concepts that seem to fascinate me because they are novelty. =A0 What if there was a singularity threatening my home? How would I escape it? Worm holes=A0can not be sustained long enough=A0for a ship to pass through.= =A0In order to hold a worm hole open=A0one would need something called exot= ic matter or a=A0hyperdrive. A star ship with a hyperdrive can travel faster than the speed of light (FT= L) and would move ahead through time rather than backwards through the blac= k hole singularity. =A0 1. Engage hyperdrive engines on your starship 2. Create a worm hole or hypergate with two points one for entry and anothe= r for exit. 3. Eject or Drop the core into the singularity or black hole (this will cre= ate a shock wave that will push the ship into the hypergate or worm hole ev= en though the singluarity has such intense gravitational mass that it is co= nsuming everything close enough to get caugh in its orbit.) 4. Exit the hypergate at the marked exit point. =A0 An alternative would be to find a way to close the singularity but not sure= how that would work. =A0 Any thoughts or comments on this? Any other suggestions for escapeing a sin= gularity or black hole? This is all theoretical of course and has no basis = in reality. Still hella interested in how other people percieve time and sp= ace. =A0 =A0=0A=0A=0A --0-1483553473-1242961497=:30830-- From sfraves-return-150885-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 22 22:15:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35716 invoked by uid 1103); 22 May 2009 22:15:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35695 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 22:15:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243030564; bh=CFlWYV+EvAow8gQPgEbHXLbm2iJdE8h/OnzZJp3ZLIQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SUCurQHwXiuzJRBvowZpi8kigQhB3K7xDjD2Iij9k8hSc5vFHcMKBSzUk1xhzdRuM7NZIoUq8xw3jH8r2yyXGLe7Mzar7RIIKPDCzsdPBtYeP9FamV4ewcbGFbcfLk41mcCv1fSN4zYTkPmWjCHXwXLa5qMHcjAvTvFYAtFdZuc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0Jh+M/GJQ1Ly9xXj1f9j3hvt72ICBVReK7NpgnkEKNcrWhsKIOneB9T+WZ0+1eojpflzn4UC7TEJRt3SXJdubKLqjZ/NLo0J2jlPvTN9CMInzfCCgihaE5hKidhVaqUGchi0dlxftWiq80zubEfsE4NOEv9LRSdWjE+pWqp0eH4=; Message-ID: <520644.63632.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dTcmrrwVM1mNaAtFXX7ZSXfCCKSG.BwhKVASSFxbVIqH0KSYaOwvnau28jf.eMOQnX1DjOAGEM7vvdjxxetSLqRpS5wW9kpyE9LnzkqpMEKd4r.P1vho0dCkRh.TBAz..wg5PlEvzMeYcYkaYy4KowOKi5Yxu6.XvsRsZS3KD5cFmIyTsbACEwHQpswcYWzWz.7SMF_DuKN.WiN91XbYC6e.ja.LhQDuYmLagdNkdZ9wSGfpjj3jIscaU9RcZaTB6KMzLVNO2Aj3QY_6zB0bVmT3Oy1AITX3wkNXXzI0m92dEIqQpXBqSNRk1XZKUCn.mKgajg9fWWpAtrF6YhBbKnr12aAh7g-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.12 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Layla Lewis To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1185091423-1243030564=:63632" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (BSP) Electronic Music Geek Salon --0-1185091423-1243030564=:63632 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a.k.a. LOVETECH!!!!! yes yes i know you've probably heard me gush about this night all year but there is a reason for it!!! how many nights are there devoted to live electronic acts? how many nights can you go see someone show off the really cool gear that they made that they use to make their music? how many nights can you go see someone show off the really cool gear they made and then play with it yourself? it's pretty fuckin cool. yeah i know it's not rave rave rave but whatevs, it ends at 2am and that's the best time to go to rave rave rave anyways, so why not come check out lovetech on saturday. audiovoid is playing. Komega & Moldover present LoveTech celebrating SF's LIVE electronic music community Saturday, May 23rd 9pm-2am underground location (visit website for directions) LoveTechSF.com/ SF's LIVE electronic music community brings you a night of speaker-thumpin' live-electronic music and interactive art installations designed to blow your mind and move your feet. Featuring performances by the Evolution Control Committee, AudioVoid, Komega, and Moldover, a Max/MSP/Jitter workshop by Ben Stein, Digital Jam Lounge with Rich DDT, and interactive multimedia art installations. Come show your support for the music, art, and live performance of the FUTURE! 9pm Workshop: How to bend space & time with Max/MSP/Jitter: Ben Stein 10pm Komega (LoveTech) - komegamusic.com/ 11pm Moldover (LoveTech) - Mojo (controller of the future) + guitar set - moldover.com/ 12am Evolution Control Committee - Wheel of Mashup + VidiMasher 3000 set - evolution-control.com/ 01am Audiovoid - www.myspace.com/audiovoid Digital Jam Lounge (bring your laptop/synth/speakers, plug in and play!) by Rich DDT Hydration by Mixin Vixen Visuals by MZO Time Machine by Rich DDT LoveTechSF.com $7 --0-1185091423-1243030564=:63632-- From sfraves-return-150886-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 23 04:23:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40496 invoked by uid 1103); 23 May 2009 04:23:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40477 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 04:23:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42a0b30f0905151706xb64154bl9bc88f8b7c0d9759@mail.gmail.com> References: <42a0b30f0905151706xb64154bl9bc88f8b7c0d9759@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:24:04 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0905222124u506e4a8fl4972060046f823b7@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: SFR , def-announce@defsf.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f7074ea75d046a8cbfad X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: [BSP] faktion 5229: ALIXR|MICRON|LICKTHEDJ FREE --00163630f7074ea75d046a8cbfad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, so you couldn't go to DEMF. Party's here at Anu, Starting early tonight, Lick The DJ coming up shortly. Free all night, so get your bass down here. while you're getting ready to come out, listen in: http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Ray Wong wrote: > Friday, 24 April 2009 > > > R A Y presents: > > > F A K T I O N : because sometimes it's fun to just throw a free party > > > Friday, 24 Apr 2009 > > ALIXR (SF | PULSE) > > MICRON (SF | FNF) > > LICK THE DJ (SF | FNF) > > live webcast via DEFSF:Radio Integrated ( http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ ) > > > > Thanks to everyone who came out last month! The crowd was so friendly > we've decided to throw another free party! Once again we've lined up a > trio of bass kicking talent for your dance pleasure: Pulse icon ALIXR takes > a break from his own multitude of events to mix it up with old friends > MICRON and LICK THE DJ. What else do we need to say? 3 great DJs, 1 great > night! > > > > //////////////// > > > > See you on the dance floor! > > > 4th Fridays @ Anu > > > > Anu-Bar > > 43 Sixth St., San Francisco, CA > > 21+ NO COVER > > > Official Links: > > http://www.faktionsf.com/ > > http://www.defsf.com/radiointegrated http://radio.defsf.com:1200/ > > > > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > --00163630f7074ea75d046a8cbfad-- From sfraves-return-150887-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 25 05:53:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76423 invoked by uid 1103); 25 May 2009 05:53:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76402 invoked from network); 25 May 2009 05:53:26 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on 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(PDT) From: mike guglielmini To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] im finally here just got in to sf about a week ago. loving it so far. wheres the party at? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150889-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 25 19:02:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5526 invoked by uid 1103); 25 May 2009 19:02:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5498 invoked from network); 25 May 2009 19:02:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; 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boundary=0016364270d2955aee046ac141bf X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] im finally here --0016364270d2955aee046ac141bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hahahahahah o rly On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:00 PM, mike guglielmini wrote: > > just got in to sf about a week ago. loving it so far. wheres the party at? > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0016364270d2955aee046ac141bf-- From sfraves-return-150890-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 26 13:51:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94202 invoked by uid 1103); 26 May 2009 13:51:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: 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Gxi7weIVM1n276Z7W_g1KX5u2BUITuA43B63ZifEvGjnMESLZ1wtNHyZ4i.mLPBJxjR63WErQVNFrSvU5K687tkaug5DiA4Om1tMz9vMg5tN01zFOUaX1WxlxeQvpEIv_13w6_JFT7vflhiMtpEMdpONcv5JPvnlBdFX1bNG0myXS4Pn9Ka0bLoIJI8x3aCYshbWoRplj1x2a4H9hacXbZl.DabxrkTv.oZtYK01MBP8FECMev2gKEaj_2ewR_Qq1wYaOinRUu7BhXoZASE3r8iHP4ZUR3WKjAEMbCyeXVZ4fg3016RHkrKUtotn X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 06:52:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin James To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-72480441-1243345920=:94752" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] New Deep House mix --0-72480441-1243345920=:94752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got a new mix up from my Faderwave Radio show this last Saturday 5/23/09.= =C2=A0 It is available for download or streaming here for anyone that wants= to check it out:=0A=0Awww.house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James=0A=0AIt=E2= =80=99s the very top mix.=0A=0AEnjoy!=0A=0AKj=0A=0A=C2=A0Dowload my latest = mixes here:=0Awww.house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James=0ANew mix added 5/25/= 09 =0A=0A=0AWatch me spin live here Saturdays 3-5PM PST 6-8 EST=0Awww.stick= am.com/faderwaveradio=0A=0A=0ABaba Booey!!! =0A=0A=0A --0-72480441-1243345920=:94752-- From sfraves-return-150891-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 26 13:56:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1064 invoked by uid 1103); 26 May 2009 13:56:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1036 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 13:56:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243346204; bh=PI4SVvMfNhpOuvI53cHzhaN1OczipQR6TOiS/VIq3UU=; 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fS7HtQ8VM1lmxIleV3LQWAqsbu7CXXXuL3RlEpfy5FvqBPyrPO3l8TELq_sMEonB8OO4HYt99A59xfpl0VoRE6FwfMzBYsuEq.QWDx4g2F3D1nMn4YAPWcnvqNTRWbcwIH6mYWQldQ2584diZE4Nx3qLb40BwJiM312ZiopdB1i5KmhATiwfr5yIhytrEN8wymFI_MKA3qZuUMIkY901IFPtgSxQMlGMrDZVpFIL7HDwlBmu6Tf94TBWnn6gVlUhlbI_Co95qfqbvGsU_ZVpU5Pyucdjhp8.5NEbWX8JSoto6r6scXlD8i8DdYqMY9cbqTHYPU4rkKKOHxdoT.LQv6M- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 06:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, Kevin James MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-993861064-1243346204=:52876" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Deep House mix --0-993861064-1243346204=:52876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya Kevin, Thanks for always sharing your mixes with us. Can't wait to listen to it, w= hen i get home..i'll give you feedback then.. Have a beautiful day :) BTW - are you on facebook.. i wanted to link you to friends who are digging= your style. -Adriana --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Kevin James wrote: From: Kevin James Subject: [sfraves] New Deep House mix To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:52 AM Got a new mix up from my Faderwave Radio show this last Saturday 5/23/09.= =C2=A0 It is available for download or streaming here for anyone that wants= to check it out: www.house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James It=E2=80=99s the very top mix. Enjoy! Kj =C2=A0Dowload my latest mixes here: www.house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James New mix added 5/25/09=20 Watch me spin live here Saturdays 3-5PM PST 6-8 EST www.stickam.com/faderwaveradio Baba Booey!!!=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A --0-993861064-1243346204=:52876-- From sfraves-return-150892-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 26 14:49:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78340 invoked by uid 1103); 26 May 2009 14:49:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78316 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 14:49:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243349379; bh=J/Ln4+orHxfyhw4xj9PmJpvY4YbmEgW9xU+QQtD1igM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bL8kreji4hBWrtUQxCSyKPulj0aY+UycynTT5FhIT+7qka5/NHkOZbTZ45jAY8h/nKDkW7VXwIfAQbuF/Y8t7+znkP0KQ/RSD0ZNbttzZGcLv3/vSpDnG3kfnJkiH0KMLUBKy0S82A4bbipuFQGbvqGkaTkeg/giS31G+V1GyQs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yZVEYYW9goQBVlwPxmUMBtVVW8Tvj1h8jIkR5ZrQvahxeq5ieEq+e7ZmsEbv3BDr73jpP5qXlN8g4c0OF2NHUVqzr20umuq9jU2Vq/VZ+PR79ulI5X4iyi6PlrkyW49UUY67zjJUSUs43aDN6GC09xIdFmqazsE+JMyzgze4+nQ=; Message-ID: <925539.7354.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YB0DY2QVM1mhyWWJIXo9pphtqE_bIrCXExg5Ku7fG7Xgx33.PaZ5Gzlx.IWHjkv7JpuUzowQtKTTAxvLUWBclsJbKzJtSa0Tc52.W_V3F2giCRoJwHxjeqb2MXsmbdyEQNhDLgh3pM.EMjD2Z2bcMm0J73yrGG1sDBlY_1yJYcnFlbpo24QwZsh2LRC37s0er.1ULlVRscZOBQnMJtyL03h2fmX7JaC5JjPfvXE5mBTisuCcWJ_YzXwFgE2venfpO6KtShIpdTVA1Jr67GslhlNfi89nXWXVI.pb9dU1E4LmCRnqPeIRoj2QFhVJa5UYkH_ns.NG76yj8O4SG730J5ut X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SRR: Scientists Discover "Consciousness Siganture" that Spans the Brain For the sfraves psychonauts and other explorers of consciousness... Did you see the article in New Scientist from March describing research on people with epilepsy which shows consciousness exists a field of activity pervading the entire brain? Not that this wasn't already clear to some people, but it is an important confirmatory result. "Electrodes implanted in the brains of people with epilepsy might have resolved an ancient question about consciousness. Signals from the electrodes seem to show that consciousness arises from the coordinated activity of the entire brain. The signals also take us closer to finding an objective "consciousness signature" that could be used to probe the process in animals and people with brain damage without inserting electrodes. Previously it wasn't clear whether a dedicated brain area, or "seat of consciousness", was responsible for guiding our subjective view of the world, or whether consciousness was the result of concerted activity across the whole brain." From: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16775-consciousness-signature-discovered-spanning-the-brain.html The source paper: http://assets0.pubget.com/pdf/19296722.pdf See also: http://consc.net/papers/ncc.pdf for some background on "Neural Correlates of Consciousness" and http://cogprints.org/228/ for an important critical observation about what is being measured here. Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150893-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 26 14:49:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79796 invoked by uid 1103); 26 May 2009 14:49:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79775 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 14:49:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243349414; bh=YQCWUf7GmKiNPfbMn7fIlKegxpfOHJ2W9MBmiDcQekc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PgDYyVQ/lTPyfpKBatpispDeDR8P6BAlvLSC9uaxe5MI/E7sGWyejB2yl6FT7ru56hOvzOhAOYyfsY9UZoB4NEW3Gx2AXtZKEr5uYggMHrQpZ43gs+dnim4KfIDMwhWuEQHdtWvl7zJqcYMKyOF9psv4zyOonrqEPSoAgt2qIZI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M3OfTheotLwQvwVeI/MlMbRWniwGvRBhXf0DFVtsACsIERP2rwSz4zmhrFvYmAn67/BWvuwZc6ScJhpGUpcdz2YqWTZzs865591aXlXM6Dd1Tm03cHTlgzRkup8AbRtYYST4OOkn81IJ3SyuzyZZWh/6efRkDAp66ze/P1vaj+M=; Message-ID: <298094.59075.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SEKGo5MVM1mMKmLlYSN9spOPsz2B9pH9VI0i0jYRdG4Xd6KHf6m0_KE4hyerkkodPUzM_maek4WHglCVzVa0IqTJRMHsPvtBnks0SlUfd5yP3jpMu2Uk5.flBhiXG5CoAIw6Zmavo62y0BPpF81Z3ykr_vA6Dy3afuj0OU_Plwag25GJ7VWuYw3GZw6uOebzz6QCIFcSs_vQCLbTyiYr3nWkuJ0tJJWjhxoAqRHFiT3ewsbYDVfd5_9MuNzc.jTK9m.RTscgAd.rYittRsiaSY1ubwbftUsy3VizazQ3zyE2IBbpD5zVeSwRkCiZuybMHG_jxsrmSTs- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <204367.94752.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Kevin James , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <204367.94752.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Deep House mix w00t!=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Kevin James =0ATo: sfraves@hyperreal.org=0ASent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:= 52:00 AM=0ASubject: [sfraves] New Deep House mix=0A=0AGot a new mix up from= my Faderwave Radio show this last Saturday 5/23/09. It is available for d= ownload or streaming here for anyone that wants to check it out:=0A=0Awww.h= ouse-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James=0A=0AIt=E2=80=99s the very top mix.=0A= =0AEnjoy!=0A=0AKj=0A=0A Dowload my latest mixes here:=0Awww.house-mixes.com= /artists/Kevin_James=0ANew mix added 5/25/09 =0A=0A=0AWatch me spin live he= re Saturdays 3-5PM PST 6-8 EST=0Awww.stickam.com/faderwaveradio=0A=0A=0ABab= a Booey!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150894-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 26 16:36:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34445 invoked by uid 1103); 26 May 2009 16:36:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34417 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 16:36:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=VhzGMZdvfxRMfoO7qZyIFtjMBA5e1X3vXO+I503UMOo=; b=fppIF+qIy+GlY5UF7zUKpfEFkHWnJvShfSyJxkEfgWbAsg/MYq1QyhKHpkgryQ8DkE 4UnwL2BEPCfXbBWT2GyGAwTMmd1mAuQrYRF1NY7+ltCjV3yYVTxUlHcsX0oUXBOcLFr5 K5t0kreUE/A6jrGRDZ37s6u7WzNVC1HZcvFLE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=v7R1Za7zjtAh+1/P5vQ+fXAhdzTlre5O+GksDUcENzfcA2z1a5RcSdIZJXvMGbAgmc L5s0tfXpkSEvo2OzL4tm+arvtsyivTr3aqE04nidv8SLlj23SF/8Gsb/sBjJXYOAMUGN taINcBI/JKNwGOu0PzvFOi14hFpleDy1HwNLI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:37:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016369891d570610e046ad35664 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Anyone got an old multichannel (more then 6) mixer for sale / gift? --0016369891d570610e046ad35664 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need a mixer with as many channels as I can get (within reason.... 12 should be enough) for a bedroom studio. An old Mackie would be perfect. Lemme know! ~Robot Head --0016369891d570610e046ad35664-- From sfraves-return-150895-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 00:16:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30829 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 00:16:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30769 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 00:16:08 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1C865F.6060104@defsf.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:16:31 -0700 From: sean ocean Organization: DEF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike guglielmini CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <386252.62300.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <386252.62300.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] im finally here dans ma pantalons? just keep your eyes peeled. sean. mike guglielmini wrote: > just got in to sf about a week ago. loving it so far. wheres the party at? > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150896-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 00:21:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35526 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 00:21:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35507 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 00:21:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1C87B3.2020004@defsf.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:22:11 -0700 From: sean ocean Organization: DEF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <925539.7354.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <925539.7354.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: Scientists Discover "Consciousness Siganture" that Spans the Brain i liked this one about animal intelligence a whole bunch from national geographic. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/animal-minds/virginia-morell-text it confirms alot of beliefs we've all suspected about animal intelligence since we were kids. your article on consciousness reminded me of it. sean. dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > For the sfraves psychonauts and other explorers of consciousness... > > Did you see the article in New Scientist from March describing research on people with epilepsy which shows consciousness exists a field of activity pervading the entire brain? Not that this wasn't already clear to some people, but it is an important confirmatory result. > > > "Electrodes implanted in the brains of people with epilepsy might have resolved an ancient question about consciousness. > > Signals > from the electrodes seem to show that consciousness arises from the > coordinated activity of the entire brain. The signals also take us > closer to finding an objective "consciousness signature" that could be used to probe the process in animals and people with brain damage without inserting electrodes. > > Previously > it wasn't clear whether a dedicated brain area, or "seat of > consciousness", was responsible for guiding our subjective view of the > world, or whether consciousness was the result of concerted activity > across the whole brain." > From: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16775-consciousness-signature-discovered-spanning-the-brain.html > > The source paper: http://assets0.pubget.com/pdf/19296722.pdf > > See also: http://consc.net/papers/ncc.pdf for some background on "Neural Correlates of Consciousness" and http://cogprints.org/228/ for an important critical observation about what is being measured here. > > Peter > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150897-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 01:07:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81621 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 01:07:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81495 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 01:07:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243386485; bh=yMudvWa6irgu2U4gv32vh3V4Tdyv0D26xBRxrxRcq5I=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=thvZ48q+IgS9VKKbu2WE5WyCP+DyzyFvs1/H/XBDyTCIV5QPZxec/YgXg2IM3/ixFHaPQSlWjVxaF9ld3p8+CO9ke06aNNeKOxJOq58+E17E8ek6YjXt9DdnXIXEAUyEHNk5eAX133dZLoLz2w1hmP71W8Pv9kfNydm8yjSEgcI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wx7J050ySQpi6Qw1DXZDlbotD2Y8ouW1FHKUuX3OU26Qs41JkRCgorwz02bB252Hu3u9tUGBaGhzCo8t2IdPUfWfEGtUacajPhxxyQX+CWklWJ/958hS4xIl66kSidm2pvvz7onEFd83ljsuTGR/z/96ga5Xx5Y9mzzzPQqRuXc=; Message-ID: <389908.92150.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VqR3P9cVM1nFLjsmX7wqEkTUfw6INxz.WRpE1j00cLtvjxw4rQrHAQT6DaaafNBhIaY74hcCOA2ci328O7y8p07mceVeD3xujebbGmdGAr14a9U5R.3iz2BU2vIc6rjp2RNhES8T2aHHPo7Cc2iO2aOUqSfXthYGpuB1BBrYutIZei0kQEX3UZ5.xkIWBbIbhmGqku7hThutq150Q3leIGZbe15DNj5o.Uf3cl40AmChmgjs5c0nXkQ1bUaengMepdpN8A3dDAD5ozC7X61KEI0.inyicCid8l98kFbIU7kmbGCPgZO4xJmQ71ldvwJbz1NC5qhOgKkSCg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <532134.52876.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin James To: Adriana , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <532134.52876.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-179988628-1243386484=:92150" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Deep House mix --0-179988628-1243386484=:92150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool, I hope you enjoy it :) I'm not on=C2=A0Facebook, I am=C2=A0on Myspace= though:=0A=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/291343=0A=C2=A0Dowload my latest mixes= here:=0Awww.house-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James=0ANew mix added 5/25/09 = =0A=0A=0AWatch me spin live here Saturdays 3-5PM PST 6-8 EST=0Awww.stickam.= com/faderwaveradio=0A=0A=0ABaba Booey!!! =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________= _____________=0AFrom: Adriana =0ATo: sfraves@hyperreal.o= rg; Kevin James =0ASent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:56= :44 AM=0ASubject: Re: [sfraves] New Deep House mix=0A=0A=0AHiya Kevin,=0A= =0AThanks for always sharing your mixes with us. Can't wait to listen to it= , when i get home..i'll give you feedback then..=0A=0AHave a beautiful day = :)=0A=0ABTW - are you on facebook.. i wanted to link you to friends who are= digging your style.=0A=0A-Adriana=0A=0A--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Kevin James wrote:=0A=0A=0AFrom: Kevin James =0ASubject: [sfraves] New Deep House mix=0ATo: sfraves@hyperreal.org= =0ADate: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:52 AM=0A=0A=0AGot a new mix up from my Fa= derwave Radio show this last Saturday 5/23/09.=C2=A0 It is available for do= wnload or streaming here for anyone that wants to check it out:=0A=0Awww.ho= use-mixes.com/artists/Kevin_James=0A=0AIt=E2=80=99s the very top mix.=0A=0A= Enjoy!=0A=0AKj=0A=0A=C2=A0Dowload my latest mixes here:=0Awww.house-mixes.c= om/artists/Kevin_James=0ANew mix added 5/25/09 =0A=0A=0AWatch me spin live = here Saturdays 3-5PM PST 6-8 EST=0Awww.stickam.com/faderwaveradio=0A=0A=0AB= aba Booey!!! =0A=0A=0A --0-179988628-1243386484=:92150-- From sfraves-return-150898-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 01:21:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95654 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 01:21:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95632 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 01:21:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 18iAscAVM1nJNtW7niRYFjXJYpeOznV9yxqja4GS1JQ08hXviWdRJIu7bL7rkPG014eVytxmm4qphBFmO6FjTOr_eXYnUreut0mSovfcdcLeRTkyTJyLZWqCEZc85_t_MHRmRX4zxA5BnwmnzImQDsg8soaC6J0yg7KGIwGuGa6Ku3CDfqVoXsn11oNDII_bbtaWPuSSgbAdA0sPBJzUZlD1iMeuehZ0d82DYCHOzMmGBdsImwGeigEmcGxi0dJRZyjpCI8eDf4IN.NN7_GB77cnNl.lGuPDr2U6Mbtw5FdVFKSUOTCmJp5LSchZapN1Pcgc37KZCV8vaDhjB2rWr0d0Zy3_7Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Andrew Phelan" To: Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:19:55 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c9de69$3ebe21b0$6402a8c0@apo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcneaT5hi3fDTcc9S2qBmsT7SbB+NQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Alpha Beats this Saturday feat. Hipp-E + Jeno! Saturday, May 30th Rock It Science and Prismatic present: Alpha Beats: B is for Bass The creators of Tonal, SF's highly acclaimed color themed warehouse party series, take you to the next level with Alpha Beats. Combining their knack for booking insanely diverse and exciting lineups, bringing together a killer crowd that goes berzerk on the dance floor, and building a party that goes way beyond one night, Rock It Science and Prismatic invite you to experience their new event series Alpha Beats. For the letter B, Alpha Beats honors the floor quaking and booty shaking Bass that moves us night after night! Speaker Freakers (Main Room): Hipp-E Jeno M3 Rooz Andrew Phelan George Cochrane Booty Bass (Upstairs): Syd Gris Little John Eric Sharp No cover before 10PM, $10 before 11PM with list signup. To get on email names to: *** news@prismatictracks.com *** Or visit: *** http://www.prismatictracks.com/alphaguestlist.php *** 9PM-4AM Paradise Lounge 1501 Folsom St. @ 11th www.rockitsciencesf.com www.prismatictracks.com About the DJs: HIPP-E (Denver - Om Records, NRK) Since making his first paycheck at the age of 16 as a DJ, Hipp-E has developed into a true innovator on the electronic music scene. His partnership with Halo as H-Foundation catapulted him into the limelight and produced the acclaimed 'Environments' album. Now working as a solo artist once again, Hipp-e travels the globe spreading his sound from the US to Asia and beyond while continuing to push musical boundaries with his ability to blend jackin beats into techno horns and even soulful moments - a true legend. JENO (Back2Back, Noise From the Void) After heading to San Francisco in the early 90's, Jeno began the now legendary 'Full Moon' parties with the infamous Wicked crew. The friendly vibe and hedonistic atmosphere found at these free outdoor events attracted a large and diverse crowd of people, setting the tone for the future of the electronic dance music scene in Northern California. He has now become one of most loved and sought after dj's in the United States. M3 (Green Gorilla Lounge, Tweekin') Raising the volume of the Bay Area.s nightlife since the early 90s, M3 has proved himself to be an influential character in the development of the SF/SJ house music scene. Born and raised in San Jose, M3 began his music career in 1990 promoting some of the original Bay Areas massives such as Get Down, Get Down, Get Down, The Gathering, and Deep Space. M3's funky fresh style will, without a doubt, make you move. ROOZ (djrooz.com, Deep Blue) Rooz is a DJ, promoter, and major advocate of underground electronic music in San Francisco, known as one of SF's premier and well respected DJs. With regular residencies and appearances at San Francisco's top nightclubs since 1999, Rooz has established himself as a fixture in the underground electronic music scene. In 2008 Rooz was voted #7 DJ in SF on NiteVibe's DJ Dream Team pole (djdreamteam.com), a short list of SF's dance music pioneers like Mark Farina, Miguel Migs, Kaskade and Bassnectar. ANDREW PHELAN & GEORGE COCHRANE (Prismatic, Drop Music) Andrew Phelan & George Cochrane (aka Origami) have quickly made a name for themselves in the international house community with their mix of funk and tech based sounds built around a variety of live instrumentation and vocals, leading to releases on labels such as Amenti, Body Rhythm, Drop Music, Eight-Tracks, So Sound and their own label, Prismatic Tracks. SYD GRIS (Opel, Opulent Temple) Syd Gris has been called a Renaissance man of the West Coast scene, and with good reason. Founding Opel Productions, Opulent Temple, and being heavily involved in SF's Lovefest event are merely the tip of the ice berg; Syd is one of the West Coast's top talents, consistently being voted in the Top 10 San Francisco Dream Team poll, and playing the biggest events in California. LITTLE JOHN (Raindance Presents - Santa Cruz) Little John has had a major impact on the Bay Area dance music underground. Santa Cruz's best known DJ and event producer, John's Raindance events consistently bring cutting edge sounds and talent. Expect a diverse set from a wide array of influences ranging from house to electro to tech to acid to glitch. Little John regularly rocks some of the best parties around, so please join us in welcoming him to Alpha Beats! ERIC SHARP (Rock It Science, Flavor Group) Eric Sharp's ascent to the forefront of dance music can only be described as meteoric. From working countless dance floors into frenzies at clubs, bars, and parties across the US and the globe to producing some of San Francisco's most epic parties with his crew (and soon to be music label) Rock It Science, Eric's seemingly endless energy and dedication to electronic music is simply contagious. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150899-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 02:23:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62828 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 02:23:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62693 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 02:23:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243391037; bh=cTNAWP/zTw7AEwZ18Vj9AVGwhwdC7iLHbDefpwR7HHQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nVpFyCmy7aMjECM2wyHyYBQG8tqw+QIf7omjgbE4n9O55IGxyFKPRc80cpxruyFbWQpYUjM8QNAuYOYKLO1LV2+KZdK5g+1LeTs0RBlE+5Pzv0ReHUKneA6w5DIna1ptpNqQ2fsf7c/ubM3iwRnVTQHzSkwxl0fRYLMZT3E39IU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4nfhZFJwGdaBhly9NjYnyj6WvToUqph3OETVyMxUg6/i/IuH6UO6DF/0nidjzmj/LN8isFabQY2Rk1uRUSOlGe0gEdyPmwkr4dCl5lcZTgDJHXQDuQjQJxI0qjE+5lXOx4gIPVbcqQGeBtNGPVIQXRttvkP7RjIz1fb2x3iKoLY=; Message-ID: <278889.28245.qm@web112419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JG6BdkEVM1m7j9YLNnCsAE7WK0S32w9ImmdUXqu_b9CW_iLJbzyDKfcsKPa.k9Zl5wtNLKo1ZqzHfTcrLkkTfUcLrTtRJJLJfTZiueQlTA3PAIJl8_RNVsRtxA9nfKzu1.TSdh612LG5tFc8lGCkTyDLeMKjemQEcStW4FX9Yke_z4eCfAeBd5mBJQFaqbrwMtPJbz5roVFmaWKJOxjC_FhdZ0DIOB793yGb7szfZl2GFEJcRMKkKny.dWaETpEmWJZrfbimPdjwtBbou7d0RDBmIb.Lu2ESJ_AoM.1vTvfY5Xe58niNe6DBMxVUAAZ2Rn9n9Itipv.xzZee1nnBug-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: the land of plur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1363573470-1243391037=:28245" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] just a lil aknowledgement --0-1363573470-1243391037=:28245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii just wanted to thank my sfr peeps who have helped me out through all my though times.. you guys really rock.. osby: my hubby..you have been there for me.. since day one.. i love you.. without you i wouldnt of have experience all the yummee memories that i hold closely to my heart.. <3 unka chuck: for all that you have done, first for taking lil c and giving her a permanent home and blessing me with your friendship and everything else that you have done, we have experience, shared, laugh and bonded.. we have more to do... we are bff's for life..yo! 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Paul Plescov G.A.M.M.A. www.designsbygamma.com www.djgamma.com www.stilldream.org _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut= orial_QuickAdd1_052009= --_48a72822-cc42-420f-915f-decf63a3732a_-- From sfraves-return-150901-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 06:10:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98102 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 06:10:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98077 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 06:10:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:06:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "J.C." X-X-Sender: jc@crackpot.org To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more like twitter: http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf ;) http://www.joketribe.com http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) "Be a light unto yourself." - Buddah --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150902-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 06:12:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 798 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 06:12:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 779 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 06:12:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:07:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "J.C." X-X-Sender: jc@crackpot.org To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: > like twitter: > http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > > ;) > > > > http://www.joketribe.com > http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > > "Be a light unto yourself." > - Buddah > http://www.joketribe.com http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) "Be a light unto yourself." - Buddah --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150903-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 06:40:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31794 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 06:40:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31769 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 06:40:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243406476; bh=SYXTReyWkuBMfPsWqKtpXF/e7jxi0oe9mBAXuH0lueY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FudJ9HJ0QAOxNyhqg+LW8vO5cRwK/GwXgYf05UlIey2veIP0Ird2bkJUZLIPO+rXfAooAJAj4D4NXOAYP9g/oXt5hbWxJ9Mx2eW4DICUKn9R2043KoOd+ghoaCHCGfyUOglFXmDK1VWT6OPn2Na/aWVPWNxXzljhjdDKIKEZ24A= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=R+9W27H779uEn6i8M17wtAthGZYJmWdtxZ9EfhExTFc/rFneAZ2t+FV6YG37JUPahcPdhSGoB/tWNFItn6Q6zsl4aK/GunEVFhoZolnMLlm70KmJyuY/e5i1XhIn093h1mta2OqgQifbMsfAntjQGPwku17gDzExKhKUS6M41yU=; Message-ID: <513097.32257.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: kLysesMVM1l9dy7.iaSZrDsek9sgYq9082uHsqd8VUZtD7XMrW3hZyKbzhzo3lmTmKyp4xwAQ7U0wikwbdut_.wrLWGudSeNZ05iZSNb.dGMHt6QzlSyYGZ9qAsVltwVLZDIY0bw0.dqnwtr5So5HMHLbwV7kYxUm2mE_okiD8pvlmjzv_gFKcUO7SwndPvKsREmGlAXqYBYpBSlMRWT91RbOEixM9EEulA.G.xqwOlfRQFuWpWJUdD7cW0v7Xu_X_kQTlvAWQbx1D7wGM4GVwK5MeKE3yeoFYAvyxM9eN3zzffR3kPN33YsehxQt325ROxZ3n8APiw- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:41:16 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more How long till someone builds an app so that you can download the track while he's still playing it? Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: J.C. To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:06:20 PM Subject: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more like twitter: http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf ;) http://www.joketribe.com http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) "Be a light unto yourself." - Buddah --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150904-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 08:28:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43161 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 08:28:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43139 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 08:28:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:28:35 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html But who was 1st to tweet it? :) On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: > > People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD Text track > info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a subchannel of the > audio stream). > > Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real inventive > skill. > > -J. > > > On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: > > > > > On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: > > > > > > > like twitter: > > > > http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.joketribe.com > > > http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > > > AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > > > > > > "Be a light unto yourself." > > > - Buddah > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.joketribe.com > > http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > > AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > > > > "Be a light unto yourself." > > - Buddah > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150905-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 08:31:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46561 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 08:31:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46539 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 08:31:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <513097.32257.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <513097.32257.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:25:37 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more Shouldn't be too tough to do, given various torrent sites and the like. On 5/26/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > How long till someone builds an app so that you can download the track while he's still playing it? > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: J.C. > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:06:20 PM > Subject: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more > > like twitter: > http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > > ;) > > > > http://www.joketribe.com > http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > > "Be a light unto yourself." > - Buddah > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150906-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 08:32:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49189 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 08:32:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48883 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 08:32:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <513097.32257.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <513097.32257.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:31:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more Oh, and speaking of, one thing that frustrated me long enough for me to give up on it was the ability to easily generate (programmatically) links to a given song, or artist within iTunes (or beatport for that matter.) Anyone have a good solution? On 5/26/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > How long till someone builds an app so that you can download the track while he's still playing it? > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: J.C. > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:06:20 PM > Subject: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more > > like twitter: > http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > > ;) > > > > http://www.joketribe.com > http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > > "Be a light unto yourself." > - Buddah > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150907-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 08:35:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54055 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 08:35:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54036 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 08:35:39 -0000 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: <9A20E3F2-ADB4-4AEC-ABEB-2B67D767176D@heroicrobot.com> From: Jas Strong To: "J.C." In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:36:01 -0700 References: <513097.32257.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more You can look up the track/CD using CDDB and then use the Applescript port on iTunes to extract this info. There's a developer note to that effect IIRC. -J. On 27 May 2009, at 01:31, J.C. wrote: > Oh, and speaking of, one thing that frustrated me long enough for me > to give up on it was the ability to easily generate (programmatically) > links to a given song, or artist within iTunes (or beatport for that > matter.) Anyone have a good solution? > > On 5/26/09, dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> How long till someone builds an app so that you can download the >> track while he's still playing it? >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: J.C. >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:06:20 PM >> Subject: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more >> >> like twitter: >> http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf >> >> ;) >> >> >> >> http://www.joketribe.com >> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php >> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) >> >> "Be a light unto yourself." >> - Buddah >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150908-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 08:36:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55092 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 08:36:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55068 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 08:36:08 -0000 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: <3A5C8451-FA6B-4ECE-BA82-91EA8C3D1650@heroicrobot.com> From: Jas Strong To: J.C. In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:36:32 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) Twitter is for losers -J. On 27 May 2009, at 01:28, J.C. wrote: > Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: > http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html > But who was 1st to tweet it? :) > > On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: >> >> People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD >> Text track >> info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a >> subchannel of the >> audio stream). >> >> Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real >> inventive >> skill. >> >> -J. >> >> >> On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: >> >>> >>> On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: >>> >>> >>>> like twitter: >>>> >> http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf >>>> >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.joketribe.com >>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php >>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) >>>> >>>> "Be a light unto yourself." >>>> - Buddah >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.joketribe.com >>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php >>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) >>> >>> "Be a light unto yourself." >>> - Buddah >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150909-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 09:16:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14785 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 09:16:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14751 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 09:16:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3A5C8451-FA6B-4ECE-BA82-91EA8C3D1650@heroicrobot.com> References: <3A5C8451-FA6B-4ECE-BA82-91EA8C3D1650@heroicrobot.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 02:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) If I tweeted only once does that make me a loser? On 5/27/09, Jas Strong wrote: > Twitter is for losers > > -J. > > > On 27 May 2009, at 01:28, J.C. wrote: > > > Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html > > But who was 1st to tweet it? :) > > > > On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: > > > > > > > > People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD Text > track > > > info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a subchannel of > the > > > audio stream). > > > > > > Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real > inventive > > > skill. > > > > > > -J. > > > > > > > > > On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like twitter: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.joketribe.com > > > > > http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > > > > > AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > > > > > > > > > > "Be a light unto yourself." > > > > > - Buddah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.joketribe.com > > > > http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > > > > AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > > > > > > > > "Be a light unto yourself." > > > > - Buddah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150910-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 15:06:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26631 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 15:06:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26594 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 15:06:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243436809; bh=HAMsvZnYiukBI2RPDnCH7pVLrXpk/54KVM2jmYO20gE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qs+uX1c8jVH7Ivpwd/oFy21wGdDTwyfs1EipuGs19jTVA8A9NnZSMpqlYAm6oVaBgi1qD5LMZCCMXEJcj6/VU2HF6XDAOAAPOI1sPOyzX+bDhrfdDKjJTmHohZ+pHcSIAeZrk5k3KaX7LjTj6Zfc/2RoaWhOYeQDRn5MRxf9M3E= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5gpqqf/EFY0QS0Zxj/letNpfaFs5IaE9YrOvbb2halkRzBxMk9Y+iq7CUjF4ZiTlG7MKh7Ms/E8VMItDZmhGLcB/4UPL/bi83QwMulzcBGsFTvqv9iVuPXnVW7tH18F75zsKLcQdEgTic9+z7/Rosn12C5q04l3bj0AW5rboBrA=; Message-ID: <34797.69222.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _k.U7GEVM1nap8y05cvugAu2zm9pEitRH8vq6qEXGuIZdUovTBE39otVLFb5uimGTsEveHnR1LXJVXDjoGsmBXr0VO0Vvm0rnmTBkZ5KayK9hojHson26CfwuTW.xxIb670v3zGGMKWr6g4.YLz7_mfds.awCD4sNhF5FDY7YkbwKPTyr8.RNyppGggtLmHJ2_KWDOD4iUL9dvlxEicOhBVlT4hV2SnvQI8_HkZomFd9_eE.h4xVrZm4eqXgQMadJFix1oJgpNzijkkjv748M3GKZZaQ5MYE5otdQB79yA7i9vxwVpWtWYvEs8TGB8bKcsbmWNzxujD_ubDoeu8z.Q6S X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <925539.7354.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A1C87B3.2020004@defsf.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: sean ocean Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <4A1C87B3.2020004@defsf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: Scientists Discover "Consciousness Siganture" that Spans the Brain I hadn't seen this article..thanks for sharing it. Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: sean ocean To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:22:11 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: Scientists Discover "Consciousness Siganture" that Spans the Brain i liked this one about animal intelligence a whole bunch from national geographic. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/animal-minds/virginia-morell-text it confirms alot of beliefs we've all suspected about animal intelligence since we were kids. your article on consciousness reminded me of it. sean. dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > For the sfraves psychonauts and other explorers of consciousness... > > Did you see the article in New Scientist from March describing research on people with epilepsy which shows consciousness exists a field of activity pervading the entire brain? Not that this wasn't already clear to some people, but it is an important confirmatory result. > > > "Electrodes implanted in the brains of people with epilepsy might have resolved an ancient question about consciousness. > > Signals > from the electrodes seem to show that consciousness arises from the > coordinated activity of the entire brain. The signals also take us > closer to finding an objective "consciousness signature" that could be used to probe the process in animals and people with brain damage without inserting electrodes. > > Previously > it wasn't clear whether a dedicated brain area, or "seat of > consciousness", was responsible for guiding our subjective view of the > world, or whether consciousness was the result of concerted activity > across the whole brain." > From: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16775-consciousness-signature-discovered-spanning-the-brain.html > > The source paper: http://assets0.pubget.com/pdf/19296722.pdf > > See also: http://consc.net/papers/ncc.pdf for some background on "Neural Correlates of Consciousness" and http://cogprints.org/228/ for an important critical observation about what is being measured here. > > Peter > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150911-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 16:22:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59192 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 16:22:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59169 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 16:22:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=k5Fv7NUuY9R81y90rcHpqGFDtTIryabuEX/GeCb7204=; b=i0sVcuTn0P4Tsj3T+50n6ib1v2HlE6Q7MQC0FKaoGwgA0+4hTyoqbp778j7FeBYOF2 6Kw2iblfX3YmSaF2dR6BCrOexQDinOhMdMjfTdYSWNrjACar+xLQunEq/t5CdUCxNxVC crYj5Anj5YcPeO3Q5XWWzWmUP9kWc0zKdiXlA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=cmy6zvwz91tbTJvZkVggGHbSsFFELeOGCANkfJc6TcXGADbiNpV0wwPV8hIHkVlMXL FOip3nP0blkjyawKLCK8fSjMbnModAV53LaL17yZpVGqhCq+MPfK0LEbmY0zO7IGVG6R qzkRwKhIqaTOOem9wp2C6GLlnRM9DPHS44kJg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <34797.69222.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <925539.7354.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A1C87B3.2020004@defsf.com> <34797.69222.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:23:01 -0700 Message-ID: <929e7b240905270923q289791c2wc5ced081fa732323@mail.gmail.com> From: Danny To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: sean ocean , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364eef70d84950046ae7410b X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: Scientists Discover "Consciousness Siganture" that Spans the Brain --0016364eef70d84950046ae7410b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rad article anyone go to pop this past week? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:06 AM, wrote: > > I hadn't seen this article..thanks for sharing it. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: sean ocean > To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:22:11 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: Scientists Discover "Consciousness Siganture" > that Spans the Brain > > i liked this one about animal intelligence a whole bunch from national > geographic. > http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/animal-minds/virginia-morell-text > > it confirms alot of beliefs we've all suspected about animal > intelligence since we were kids. your article on consciousness reminded > me of it. > > sean. > > dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > > For the sfraves psychonauts and other explorers of consciousness... > > > > Did you see the article in New Scientist from March describing research > on people with epilepsy which shows consciousness exists a field of activity > pervading the entire brain? Not that this wasn't already clear to some > people, but it is an important confirmatory result. > > > > > > "Electrodes implanted in the brains of people with epilepsy might have > resolved an ancient question about consciousness. > > > > Signals > > from the electrodes seem to show that consciousness arises from the > > coordinated activity of the entire brain. The signals also take us > > closer to finding an objective "consciousness signature" that could be > used to probe the process in animals and people with brain damage without > inserting electrodes. > > > > Previously > > it wasn't clear whether a dedicated brain area, or "seat of > > consciousness", was responsible for guiding our subjective view of the > > world, or whether consciousness was the result of concerted activity > > across the whole brain." > > From: > http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16775-consciousness-signature-discovered-spanning-the-brain.html > > > > The source paper: http://assets0.pubget.com/pdf/19296722.pdf > > > > See also: http://consc.net/papers/ncc.pdf for some background on "Neural > Correlates of Consciousness" and http://cogprints.org/228/ for an > important critical observation about what is being measured here. > > > > Peter > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ > > Visit: http://www.defsf.com > west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events > > ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com > ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > -- um i like music --0016364eef70d84950046ae7410b-- From sfraves-return-150912-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 16:25:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63159 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 16:25:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63139 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 16:25:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243441533; bh=eXC4ihm3ZjnEUfNYgrLIJBh0K5jIhDT2OhtSEwl2Xeo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GgAkawrpuumnCe4vadg4P+7kl7gXmVpKM5jPMG1o1VJeywj4mMnSCLLMTsAeC7Z/Joa4dWTRrgalmrjTdXmO0xzuXCIDx4oDXEseKfDzH8Vv58eWkVZrgupbrfAMLJlhoHi1r/8ha4G7VVLhgKkU6qraHtt+Rr3AVhM8igcnHwg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pycr9KA+5Ipp6VSkED10++r8xVWrKCTgYG/5lwpnZrx461hH2lzjJ3rzIpC3H6btN6I4Yiil+UFy0zIwi/4fiI82lnrETbRnBaOoxdfMMTCTKC1mcjJyVUhAUDoCIid7rdRjMDbsN1jI75OznLcAO1X3/R+JBxxwBdaDOQWpxQ4=; Message-ID: <243336.98696.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lJOyqbMVM1ls5WcFHWG9NxRWQKednDtfTkWbHogu2f6nipO6C5iCSobvoUTC9UMPnquwP818VxdDCwEhk2KXmiJffsShNfXjXco5Avfz2Y2a2Uw8idRnw9DMEK5_14rrW2tA0xul90BAhj_UnLki8Q2HZRiHgqEgVjcMbiZ_Y3q2i5rttlGRS5sV4peMqGKqQrWoOzC.0KBqIbp49LwQWejyCJBpbWV.2Z6D88QSUsdHUUyrZr478LsFn2LMT4fd1G29Wke6ruO9l2IDY06uwTAVHwQ5j_pDo.cueySHeJ76WDF_1Vjv7plBBBW2u2xXncFsmHVwsjk20Xi6LFmU X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:25:33 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more As much salty "what a douche" commentage as this is going to generate, that's a really cool idea, and it does often take an "industry leader" like Ritchie to make such things happen. The fact that it's being tied in to maybe actually getting some musicians paid is HUGE. Twitter is getting some hate now because it's getting so big and most people don't "get it", but at this point it's the only social network worth keeping up with, imho. It's infinitely extensible to do whatever you want, with just a few #s and @s, expressly because its own feature set is so basic and, well, pure. Twitter = Fun and awesome Facebook, Myspace, Bebo, etc = Headachey waste of time. "George threw a snowball with a purity test and a gold rose and 1000 event invitations and a superpoke and some glitter animated kitties at you! Want to throw one back??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?" -G ----- Original Message ---- From: J.C. To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:06:20 PM Subject: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more like twitter: http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf ;) http://www.joketribe.com http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) "Be a light unto yourself." - Buddah --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150913-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 16:34:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79446 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 16:34:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79422 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 16:34:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=cEaNJ8kdEKh/x83Ujzkkj/O2IPQjqW+63lNOb/sMil4=; b=EOPFyLG2S4kJDS6jSW+BdFU9sNZyAW8f5ZX+g+XJr7qLhYsHRC/FWjkA4X+AbjWBtH G6N5t5DKvLJS7OQWY9JcIybp6AR4uaKscbvvKa3annBlPPCTrouJjvKm+5ntDvOPWSig FaCCBdhWxNCNJktfrA4ruw3rWyKBV2RUtbgfE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=I37lyVDXlgdr/NLsd9NN+L5FCJKj4u5gokjFWecXpc35rnLULdn0+a6hDKN1JOKJQq FRk/s3G6exhk/s1PZNiZMjy6DGZvtz6C3bFA/5b/9IL135J2x3tXoTMTl58kvawE2KzX 7TReOigyr8BXTCIHmw9IFgAA96Ijzfx6cbAJg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:27:37 -0700 Message-ID: From: Lazlo Steele To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e644ccb84a1fad046ae7525c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? --0016e644ccb84a1fad046ae7525c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm new to this whole scene and I'm looking for really good glitch hop mixes and places I can find new things. Thanks all. -- "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never could. And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will never meet again in this life." -Hannah Kargol --0016e644ccb84a1fad046ae7525c-- From sfraves-return-150914-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 16:40:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88122 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 16:40:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88099 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 16:40:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QeQQkHQgMF3SkiANt9lOFGuDfu8aNQTge38pqkh8s3k=; b=CW7kwHE7FyL9rEmAzLdEOQHoJK+xhehPV8tNtC85z/1vbnJtkMvSKwIpVlcYSMyUMo 7oYjGfeJSQyBGdm8jtuTUgtlSLcn2qjmZgvoWJoLArsoBvZnNTw2vKcPg7wdEBZw+ygz 4ftcCoBPu+rjxvCaW7UA9e0ZZabmncCJj2h58= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=mUJAO4882YvJLOCA0/tF3tU3a9+yElCLTCHTLTZL1bM08LCLYXmDGMXjZ2cCrto37N VnnyNvgy5tv3mLbt4MKdWvfCvIWsKq10BvSZgK51mFA8q9CYat981W3I6QjI0GjqUFrv YmehAkuqBLPbVkaDb+Bk6X4NetheNwWg+LGmE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:40:45 -0700 Message-ID: <929e7b240905270940r3ef40255ma05248868e34339f@mail.gmail.com> From: Danny To: Lazlo Steele Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e82524977ce046ae78181 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? --0016361e82524977ce046ae78181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit me too! im mildly new to this scene i guess on the large rave scale level.. i play electronic music in a bay area band called the frail so sometimes i get to go to club nights and mini rave type events but have definitely wanted to get more keep me posted! On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Lazlo Steele wrote: > I'm new to this whole scene and I'm looking for really good glitch hop > mixes > and places I can find new things. Thanks all. > > -- > "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never could. > And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will never meet > again in this life." > -Hannah Kargol > -- um i like music --0016361e82524977ce046ae78181-- From sfraves-return-150915-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 17:12:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33438 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 17:12:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33406 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 17:12:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FU9AzxBLFDir02YYFLLRZ4ArzANEdtoBuTKezbhE/m4=; b=KA+OyJSCy+8AJ+OR+xAkF/W4GAJBsHctQg8+W6P5UeppDCHscEasUBuIgEU1hrmwke w/xELcCOnStsW52utmkmUAa0YeXEqAdExXcy0YwkXVliaLuxvOESszj+eb2pleFPdRoe XoWfYMdVO5eJda2bOqFJEQ+qTABOhx+7ZZQP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=qa9O7VdUFv+A3uwlJO+3Peeq4zqTxYmFlzYjadztMy58ldodD4dmQ5zzxceyXyXZJ4 s6Xl4J/2yws+7HSl1KrWmfrnxQmNMVFjLDN0EVb6iFO7G9nQOued2tuh3VfV3bwjWLow HqwTXx9YZG00geQ0FBZEwdoJwGKAc9ZBYzXB4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <929e7b240905270940r3ef40255ma05248868e34339f@mail.gmail.com> References: <929e7b240905270940r3ef40255ma05248868e34339f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:12:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ben Haus To: Danny Cc: Lazlo Steele , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d9a0f5089d8b046ae7f448 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? --0016e6d9a0f5089d8b046ae7f448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go to any raindance or antennae party ;) On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Danny wrote: > me too! im mildly new to this scene i guess on the large rave scale level.. > i play electronic music in a bay area band called the frail so sometimes i > get to go to club nights and mini rave type events but have definitely > wanted to get more keep me posted! > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Lazlo Steele > wrote: > > > I'm new to this whole scene and I'm looking for really good glitch hop > > mixes > > and places I can find new things. Thanks all. > > > > -- > > "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never > could. > > And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will never > meet > > again in this life." > > -Hannah Kargol > > > > > > -- > um i like music > --0016e6d9a0f5089d8b046ae7f448-- From sfraves-return-150916-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 18:10:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29167 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 18:10:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29132 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 18:10:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=v6bWXNHkAd09T+QrUA32JTQFtNcQgl+wDe3wI62bA+8=; b=u6mhN2WleiZ/4Z8ONwqpMbSbnEkezvY7p3Y5Wxjwt9crHPUVLk5hP4qHOEUYCem8lS TpRTfmT4JjzTvPx2gHaLd9bZ5NV7hVf0OlTCMTg+Wu18GRD457Rr8NYzTGjjLw7TmYhm fDHjJAAHXSlFJRoqG1f1XQNCHb+q0/5Fuj9pk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=rjbffd9Ur57LoA0O1SbLAY24uqRYp7I8MqZ7kiCyEobSwSfzhNZeh7uSjLznSBcv7+ C9AolR0gad6uv6zWies1vSUvM1iYbNK9296y76P4U7Sl0E8TNpd3l1rSTIyb3NltOIVh c3Zw/zm+fUBzAbQ6yMfq4lvkJjSGG0MZY6LX0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <929e7b240905270940r3ef40255ma05248868e34339f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:10:39 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: Ben Haus Cc: Danny , Lazlo Steele , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ed442c62009046ae8c2a6 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? --0016364ed442c62009046ae8c2a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Event list: http://www.myspace.com/antennae On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ben Haus wrote: > Go to any raindance or antennae party ;) > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Danny wrote: > > > me too! im mildly new to this scene i guess on the large rave scale > level.. > > i play electronic music in a bay area band called the frail so sometimes > i > > get to go to club nights and mini rave type events but have definitely > > wanted to get more keep me posted! > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Lazlo Steele > > wrote: > > > > > I'm new to this whole scene and I'm looking for really good glitch hop > > > mixes > > > and places I can find new things. Thanks all. > > > > > > -- > > > "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never > > could. > > > And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will never > > meet > > > again in this life." > > > -Hannah Kargol > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > um i like music > > > --0016364ed442c62009046ae8c2a6-- From sfraves-return-150917-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 18:17:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39703 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 18:17:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39642 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 18:17:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oDH2lHe0a2XqD9DG99Il5GSu/Da6zRdqT2Jp64jg0xY=; b=W+LhFZWeyYEVpbuGltAR85Zh4J22KBz/rUNDidOYAeAt0ebQzC5BAIc7rLYmvE4cxT FC7xeRz9zHi4tLnym2jAz6UZukXcZTERaJmNS5pO9Opw9qui0II+EyKOqytqfmotsbtG 7PkbJdIvJ3q694NxBsIcIY9ax4OMd9bSmpvqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ExCJwF94qIJKxtDNOo1vSTJa/ZY+OAolBC+qzV48eFI/rf4QV/u7cPGFHsRxsT8ABe W8vvIgpiuh/r/i/GwpYqvYvjSvupIsWb62YXzw8EVZJN6r8j4c7lg6aVFGy5P8irmwhg i3MaaHQ+wn+78erWkSevZPLPKQwZUHZR8cbBo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <929e7b240905270940r3ef40255ma05248868e34339f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:17:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: Ben Haus Cc: Danny , Lazlo Steele , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636163eb50b5e43046ae8db79 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? --001636163eb50b5e43046ae8db79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also, I have some personal favorite artists... Ooah -- always throws down with the acid sound Bassnectar -- Everyone knows this one EEprom & Mosaic -- Rockin On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Matt Stone wrote: > Event list: http://www.myspace.com/antennae > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ben Haus wrote: > >> Go to any raindance or antennae party ;) >> >> >> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Danny wrote: >> >> > me too! im mildly new to this scene i guess on the large rave scale >> level.. >> > i play electronic music in a bay area band called the frail so sometimes >> i >> > get to go to club nights and mini rave type events but have definitely >> > wanted to get more keep me posted! >> > >> > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Lazlo Steele >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I'm new to this whole scene and I'm looking for really good glitch hop >> > > mixes >> > > and places I can find new things. Thanks all. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never >> > could. >> > > And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will never >> > meet >> > > again in this life." >> > > -Hannah Kargol >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > um i like music >> > >> > > --001636163eb50b5e43046ae8db79-- From sfraves-return-150918-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 18:50:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94460 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 18:50:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94438 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 18:50:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243450255; bh=3CqqRn9MPVTYiXH3nXWhL1NRDW+Yac46tTvDw7R1R+4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CO3lPunbe9QEfy02u0X2lZTxT1C1jItfYIS0DEzsb/+qi/SfamHkv4evHCwockCeTVMj+kjEzPKkNIMoh+BAqqD3FbDrF3a/LjtKCaKxXXyJzGQkmVxnMvBHUJhwBudXDoNSHOXBWz6drpShLEUkviwH6G3WxpDqiV+U//wFQOI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mOhlR72vjOtgkG9lln8HlsHN8FCGuAby3IL7pcTaGgB+Jz/0hjS1ylZld3radZww+psrd8f6osxvy8ZwLP6K4G2LuaBkSXgk1mzAOFBQXy29k9/+Ur0DP5U3JWwoB148rGgG06PsX3mjmw9rQeD/0afSQUqY1GNc2XhNHyCtw2M=; Message-ID: <624220.32543.qm@web50011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3E1IAc0VM1nwkudqfEeDcYfoPsiSX8uQ82ovSThiEUMp8uSfLx3hL7PV81IqI1ZUMYqLGCWYT4TZyQZ7ZLIMxadam43KjdgG_ShbyHyUUyQlXdzSMAAZ0UmMVYT56gcFCU6Y0WZJRSerPrAHuDi7r2Vt_xLuNOaY.rHQYtXZm4_Nx7uM8fcmusPc9hrl.7caEhfYsHIOQFUbK5CpGCrSBXD5uJOx2C4OOtA7jp3ytNyk2EMavc5spG6GwSLU_zgVwC9D93vJYkSZqoSE8Oau7.ZSQw2CsDOZjRk4uKT1jH_Y3AAwDteS.8KpHcGgXtV9hd52101CeRbpY71LYSQYwawklVsxQje0 X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:50:55 -0700 (PDT) From: michael the redstickman To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Fishbug UG this Friday, 5/29 please e-mail me for more info on this event! --- Chimera Sententia (a.k.a. Fishbug) is a towering, ominous creature with mesmerizing firey bits. Emerging from the desert bed - thousands of years past extinction - and HONGRY! Come feed our monster at the kick-off to the party season. We hope to raise enough funds to take Fishbug to the Playa and beyond... Friday, May 29th www.fishbug.net 8-10 Early Bird Happy Hour Special 8:30 Fire Performance 9 Belly Dance Troupe nefertem from Fat Chance 10-5 Word of Mouth and Ambient Mafia DJs 11 Clown Insanity Music Main Floor: 10 - 11 Redstickman (Ambient Mafia) 11 - 12 DJ Free (Word of Mouth) 12 - 1 Djeeno (Word of Mouth) 1 - 2 Actual Rafiq (Ambient Mafia) 2 - 3 Joshua Pollack (robotninja) 3 - 4 Mino (Word of Mouth/AM) 4 - 5 Olde Nasty (Ambient Mafia) Back Chill Space: 12-2 ONYD Sound System Entry donations $10 - $1,000 $25 VIP pass for entry and refreshments $45 VIP pass for entry and refreshments to BOTH the FishBug fundraiser(29th) and the DSC Fundraiser(30th) * Swag for sale * Wicked Beats * Photoboof! * Tarot Readings * * Clowns * Cage Dancers * Fire Performers* Belly Dancers * hotness * www.fishbug.net www.ambientmafia.com Lots of love from the Fishbug crew xx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150919-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 21:26:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27444 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 21:26:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27427 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 21:26:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243459610; bh=Z3wzSnT/dOqLeUdFR+PBI373+nLdsns5Vv0dxle6ptw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YvLzMjr0FbzP8ZDNLLVJf3Zvxdt19/aLN0faE68ypuq5vD5NUYr/50oID09HjcH8mQUzlDJhJyaSpkS7u8TOIqeDm+6OmLVSDFsgGEV6KSRTxK9A7Jp+ZEXFMua97i7DvgfbN1HbRca/NP9XV6hY0xp7irpcQovG+mHgxf9U4Bs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DlpUZk+ITTemX8o3zR5MjT0I9rcNjxvXGW5yZ6Mb9mhaxmG6ipxmaxHw3KyfCVEtHScMRws8MolQuJ6RW5fgg5PN4euExzfrAfC1Y7wq+124jKGlIvpRV4P8rLV27VwpHR9qx7E2oxqVfDylp/LLa+WO1/a0q1z2+E8SU27HTTk=; Message-ID: <195127.70546.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 36GcpWkVM1nGDda8epZi70Go2fWWJBWoNztynChQ38CCK2Ct2HEWPzwE9xLsCobVMO3PF7F1EdFHron49I0FmFoi7eLtGMtDcuzKM1WzRpcUIYbzvamyzarl4dXSha.f6n7fv.Nz8kZojL0t3mZqBdWrpu6orwCxWHECz2xWGXW2coAi0aF8.FCd5X2cgzVZQtL7sKvXVmdP4akCxDbFXKFJiAMbqKwKt94D4dLY54RLdD2qroi0GfKNSEXSHrVYb..dSl6I._PYn8fcFEHiRd4dT43pKLMMOpYEUsKfrqB_yJk23ntdZzVwN3TpnS3OrJLZS2P092NQmuHZYTnftGWuBA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.12 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:26:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Layla Lewis To: Ben Haus , Matt Stone Cc: Danny , Lazlo Steele , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-365184301-1243459610=:70546" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? --0-365184301-1243459610=:70546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hookerz & blow are playing tonight at vessel. one of ttheir last shows toge= ther for a while... --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Matt Stone wrote: From: Matt Stone Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? To: "Ben Haus" Cc: "Danny" , "Lazlo Steele" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:17 AM Also, I have some personal favorite artists... Ooah -- always throws down with the acid sound Bassnectar -- Everyone knows this one EEprom & Mosaic -- Rockin On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Matt Stone wro= te: > Event list: http://www.myspace.com/antennae > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ben Haus wrote: > >> Go to any raindance or antennae party=A0 ;) >> >> >> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Danny wrote: >> >> > me too! im mildly new to this scene i guess on the large rave scale >> level.. >> > i play electronic music in a bay area band called the frail so sometim= es >> i >> > get to go to club nights and mini rave type events but have definitely >> > wanted to get more keep me posted! >> > >> > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Lazlo Steele >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I'm new to this whole scene and I'm looking for really good glitch h= op >> > > mixes >> > > and places I can find new things. Thanks all. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never >> > could. >> > > And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will nev= er >> > meet >> > > again in this life." >> > > -Hannah Kargol >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > um i like music >> > >> > > =0A=0A=0A --0-365184301-1243459610=:70546-- From sfraves-return-150920-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 21:28:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30647 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 21:28:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30625 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 21:28:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=JtzIFVzHCLLeD3DAYGuBEEDoxvx5pxPWc2f6jmrxxd0=; b=xSHMrd1qKkgTJWxxfGl3g1LM48WPt05sv41c6CDGAxkzdXy4tlGlBbpsiygxq34r8x 14ie2TFlrzFsWjD689mW/HxzQfczbj6X+eY/NAEoAmo/EtG6PsVxg6S4/Fr9QIO7qeGf yDRJVv+PafhmCzkofLDoa5SNWHoaVSsh5FF88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=kkEjloXUv57OkQaX5HQqDO2XEa56/EKuZ8LinHdWV/dBY/ORLy6Qi+AvPGg72qbvKN qH2CeYdoPfQHVJOxFdEHoGGqXPxkj2KTfYZQM0pI4UBeCR4c+NMoEJh/udA/BiJ/SHL8 IpWA3cEtBRqKC7JCkdTK0Ce+K4j6fxSXrSbVo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <195127.70546.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <195127.70546.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:28:38 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: Layla Lewis Cc: Ben Haus , Danny , Lazlo Steele , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ee590cfa77b046aeb8668 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? --0016364ee590cfa77b046aeb8668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And they are freakin awesome I might add :) On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Layla Lewis wrote: > hookerz & blow are playing tonight at vessel. one of ttheir last shows > together for a while... > > --- On *Wed, 5/27/09, Matt Stone * wrote: > > > From: Matt Stone > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? > To: "Ben Haus" > Cc: "Danny" , "Lazlo Steele" < > drbubonicus@gmail.com>, sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:17 AM > > > Also, I have some personal favorite artists... > Ooah -- always throws down with the acid sound > Bassnectar -- Everyone knows this one > EEprom & Mosaic -- Rockin > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Matt Stone > >wrote: > > > Event list: http://www.myspace.com/antennae > > > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ben Haus > > wrote: > > > >> Go to any raindance or antennae party ;) > >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Danny > > wrote: > >> > >> > me too! im mildly new to this scene i guess on the large rave scale > >> level.. > >> > i play electronic music in a bay area band called the frail so > sometimes > >> i > >> > get to go to club nights and mini rave type events but have definitely > >> > wanted to get more keep me posted! > >> > > >> > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Lazlo Steele > > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > I'm new to this whole scene and I'm looking for really good glitch > hop > >> > > mixes > >> > > and places I can find new things. Thanks all. > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never > >> > could. > >> > > And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will > never > >> > meet > >> > > again in this life." > >> > > -Hannah Kargol > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > um i like music > >> > > >> > > > > > > > --0016364ee590cfa77b046aeb8668-- From sfraves-return-150921-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 21:36:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43518 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 21:36:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43449 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 21:36:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243460233; bh=/NeJW0wX5+MJso1K+ClXjUEykBK9eEDVGSTE4Y4C7yY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=euZlkNizJhaxgsZ3sMxKgaHK+SVyBrNmg6hbEynCQEpPyxGfF5MSEWanFgd6CzjtK6WvuOLCUTnYDkv8NDDK0ltK6MXkMLkuI0FyWtOx5uqXvfTFuk14amr14G2YrZff4S1/kL5vyTD54jZU1azjNk1K47ejgVuij3ZsLCMBlVU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0v6c+owe86bE/Gy9/QM7de1GMcUO32aJg+jIVjaDXcLFQNYq60YvPiXvr6DuKlG2Cb3jeNPC3S0Ty0WVrjhHdlrFRAzV+FrQD9JWAlr1pRk7Tghmu9G3tWALtcqPy0ZXp4cHp3+RrGVroUrmwsAMduIJI9LWHwiu2LQ3qkPK23w=; Message-ID: <901585.54922.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3VSmhjQVM1k4caPqO1zT1oQNwaIAo_f2RTtkpL8_GYKDWYHfFC6ihx2SvE1pMzLk.kBL8.zJB6JdwWYMDLo1Em9FHSA_TaTpz8LbKoHyR3c6wGvTTxFY0CuNMerixPTGfGfX6UkaFMwbxhWIHgrMYg.c3MdaGDuuilxgH1SdLzaPFrWm9n9eaF615MZKpATWZaBco8BZ4qmkD1yTTs5QK3XflTLgFxJhxFBZvSRMrhG5ibnQBo2570RJUUGHf7njQUi84B2J2wMtu6ug5aGEFNEUxEhNDUTtOgb5pdGMlhj0csEsYXAqLGShpqE53NJAQE5Oq.9rNkKKc2X_nJHEOc6fOA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.12 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Layla Lewis To: Matt Stone , Danny Cc: Ben Haus , Lazlo Steele , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-217751883-1243460233=:54922" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? --0-217751883-1243460233=:54922 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i think they have 2 for 1 drink specials on wednesdays.... http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/event.php?eid=88771021276&ref=nf 2 for 1 well drinks and dos equis all night, rsvp for free entry before something or another... --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Danny wrote: From: Danny Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? To: "Matt Stone" Cc: "Layla Lewis" , "Ben Haus" , "Lazlo Steele" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 2:31 PM hookerz and blow plus vessel sounds like fun if vessels drinks weren't so freaking expensive! On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Matt Stone wrote: And they are freakin awesome I might add :) On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Layla Lewis wrote: hookerz & blow are playing tonight at vessel. one of ttheir last shows together for a while... --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Matt Stone wrote: From: Matt Stone Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? To: "Ben Haus" Cc: "Danny" , "Lazlo Steele" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:17 AM Also, I have some personal favorite artists... Ooah -- always throws down with the acid sound Bassnectar -- Everyone knows this one EEprom & Mosaic -- Rockin On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Matt Stone wrote: > Event list: http://www.myspace.com/antennae > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ben Haus wrote: > >> Go to any raindance or antennae party ;) >> >> >> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Danny wrote: >> >> > me too! im mildly new to this scene i guess on the large rave scale >> level.. >> > i play electronic music in a bay area band called the frail so sometimes >> i >> > get to go to club nights and mini rave type events but have definitely >> > wanted to get more keep me posted! >> > >> > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Lazlo Steele >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I'm new to this whole scene and I'm looking for really good glitch hop >> > > mixes >> > > and places I can find new things. Thanks all. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never >> > could. >> > > And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will never >> > meet >> > > again in this life." >> > > -Hannah Kargol >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > um i like music >> > >> > > -- um i like music --0-217751883-1243460233=:54922-- From sfraves-return-150922-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 21:38:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45992 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 21:38:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45955 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 21:38:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QQKMYq9V5Yx7MHlQO6nU4e3e40oJmq6uKIGOX8EgXGE=; b=KoOiY0bQmcqTjRvQoM09cHBXRdyVqGU0VP4S+EIf2vKn6csMU6oK+lCYADVsCU/htH m+0g7gzDeXjLUGm2U5ZypjckJnJB7C+SwxOV5rTyjLflz97NLGLQD0AwO2a3DNS2kMNZ ucYFBbg+IOMvQ448liVb3j8zMnJeOxDQfuPBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=XePzW0QAf7vAImfjSlI2gJLpKnm7HLuQwZfUXCTBI8bodWjoUmnNUyeTgDBTV+e4P8 WvMUcny1QDsq+AAQ7CxjxwA9TUmZ/U2w+N79l3GuW0s1p7sjlB/0LyvMWMfb2yZqhsCa aQILPdpvrMJ3KAxnNbdIhHlaEPcXl39uPYMwU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <195127.70546.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:31:15 -0700 Message-ID: <929e7b240905271431w59fdfdebi221a7e7ad6b3e44b@mail.gmail.com> From: Danny To: Matt Stone Cc: Layla Lewis , Ben Haus , Lazlo Steele , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ee4a82a7f24046aeb9085 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? --0016364ee4a82a7f24046aeb9085 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hookerz and blow plus vessel sounds like fun if vessels drinks weren't so freaking expensive! On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Matt Stone wrote: > And they are freakin awesome I might add :) > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Layla Lewis wrote: > >> hookerz & blow are playing tonight at vessel. one of ttheir last shows >> together for a while... >> >> --- On *Wed, 5/27/09, Matt Stone * wrote: >> >> >> From: Matt Stone >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? >> To: "Ben Haus" >> Cc: "Danny" , "Lazlo Steele" < >> drbubonicus@gmail.com>, sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:17 AM >> >> >> Also, I have some personal favorite artists... >> Ooah -- always throws down with the acid sound >> Bassnectar -- Everyone knows this one >> EEprom & Mosaic -- Rockin >> >> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Matt Stone >> >wrote: >> >> > Event list: http://www.myspace.com/antennae >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ben Haus > >> wrote: >> > >> >> Go to any raindance or antennae party ;) >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Danny > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > me too! im mildly new to this scene i guess on the large rave scale >> >> level.. >> >> > i play electronic music in a bay area band called the frail so >> sometimes >> >> i >> >> > get to go to club nights and mini rave type events but have >> definitely >> >> > wanted to get more keep me posted! >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Lazlo Steele >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > I'm new to this whole scene and I'm looking for really good glitch >> hop >> >> > > mixes >> >> > > and places I can find new things. Thanks all. >> >> > > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never >> >> > could. >> >> > > And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will >> never >> >> > meet >> >> > > again in this life." >> >> > > -Hannah Kargol >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > um i like music >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > -- um i like music --0016364ee4a82a7f24046aeb9085-- From sfraves-return-150923-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 22:00:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76131 invoked by uid 1103); 27 May 2009 22:00:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76106 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 22:00:51 -0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_eeb524a6-b8c7-4146-a2ec-ad6c6977151d_" X-Originating-IP: [173.8.189.118] From: Eric Cunanan To: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:01:16 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2009 22:01:16.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8825C80:01C9DF16] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Winter Solstice Celebration around the Globe in the Snow!! [The Rave Meadowlark] --_eeb524a6-b8c7-4146-a2ec-ad6c6977151d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am search of a putting together a Committee filled with Sun Surf and Snow= Fun Career-Minded Individuals=2C Groups=2C Friends=2C and Familys' for a P= aid-Volunteer Setting working out and about throughout the Great Wild Outdo= ors=2C with a uniquely provacative interest with the Casinos=2C Show Busine= ss Stages=2C and the Club Strip Venues. =20 =20 Lot's of Themes=2C Schemes=2C and other Ploys to create a promiscuously dau= nting Rave. "WinterLAN and the LAN of Make-Believe"=20 =20 Any interest?? =20 Comments???? =20 Suggestions?? =20 Creative/ Constructive Criticism???? =20 =20 If you haven't heard of the Sun Surf and Snow Fun Career. It's the large m= ajority of Surfers who slack around the beachs surfing throughout the Sprin= g and Early Summer - cavalcading around the Globe in search of the Perfect = Set=2C while making their ends meet month to month relying on their Social = Security Tax-Paid Unemployment Checks that they refill every Winter. Worki= ng at the Ski Resorts and Lodges=2C occupying Hostels and other Accomodatio= ns. Many are World Reknowned as "The Back-Packers". =20 This interest=2C with intentions=2C could provide a great deal of Career-Op= portunity's=2C Employment=2C and Full Benefits including 401(k.). As I am = making plans extend throughout all of the Snow-Covered Regions that offer S= now Recreation=2C Resort=2C and Lodging. Plus a great deal of Business Opp= ortunity's that also contrive an exotic taste of Expense Projects=2C which = will enable the features of the appeal that this Social Event may create. = Amongst a broad-range of extraordinary Benefits and Amenity's=2C in tune wi= th Red Carpet Complimentary Services and Spa/Resort Treatment. =20 =20 =20 Please keep the post's replied back into the sfraves@hyperreal.org mailing = list. =20 Also=2C I am looking forward to putting together this Committee Panel utili= zing the Major Community Internet-Domain Sites such as FaceBook=2C LinkedIN= =2C Tribe(.net)=2C MySpace(.com)=2C and various others like Twitter and Soc= ialVibe. As well as getting into developement to add Mobile Office Network= s through Nextel/Sprint=2C Verizon=2C and many others. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 khnt2x3@gmail.com - on FaceBook =20 = --_eeb524a6-b8c7-4146-a2ec-ad6c6977151d_-- From sfraves-return-150924-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 01:00:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98697 invoked by uid 1103); 28 May 2009 01:00:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98667 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 01:00:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NSFg9eo5/GhidYksD6oY3fAq92xMuKiCpAy36zPiSm4=; b=WPAw4kVZEorGFfBhYT+QbCsL4uxm7y8F7kTITaVZGOGYtJN5WxGsLlQDVxUGnzIERw ieYwfHCaaWWuWv78d+UgR7uhcjVUkpCFz9FbE7bY9oI3Ie0w7W9CKpEIvg3bmXYnrb6O 4s6FIaC+CpYBxFEIr+4ymu982iIxx4LyBUVGY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=JqzcZWKkS7Lhi+8za7hG+PWnJCG4aT9gBKVRsUJYIR+sj1N8dWDXXqWpOp5nV+aZrQ ZzdmUrSPVFNzBeR2qU8lsnAJuzk2gG5fOLb0tldgODalAOLkx1lPXqg6fJUWW1rvo6EM Vmy4O6ScztM/t49JaRt4fkIiNrezSJaEitcgw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <72330528-9203-479E-BE0B-B5E868BFF8C7@gmail.com> References: <72330528-9203-479E-BE0B-B5E868BFF8C7@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:01:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: Lazlo Steele To: Rion Snow Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64eca321d2c44046aee7f96 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? --0016e64eca321d2c44046aee7f96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks all, I've been following this list for a few weeks and I love the sense of community it has. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Rion Snow wrote: > Here are a few of my favorite glitchy mixes floating around out there: > > edIT's Hefty Flossed Out: > http://www.heftyrecords.com/Hefty_Flossed_Out.mp3 > Jantsen's Gutter Music: > http://familymoons.com/music/Jansten%20-%20Gutter%20Music%20Mix.mp3 > S.P.E.C.T.R.E. vol. 131 on Temporal Fusion: http://temporalfusion.com/ > > Yum, > *R > > > On May 27, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Lazlo Steele wrote: > > I'm new to this whole scene and I'm looking for really good glitch hop >> mixes >> and places I can find new things. Thanks all. >> >> -- >> "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never could. >> And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will never >> meet >> again in this life." >> -Hannah Kargol >> > > -- "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never could. And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will never meet again in this life." -Hannah Kargol --0016e64eca321d2c44046aee7f96-- From sfraves-return-150925-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 01:42:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47537 invoked by uid 1103); 28 May 2009 01:42:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47480 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 01:42:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=9BduKnropw++KPuuuOqq/ce1bDrCw1/hvMqIQFnadSc=; b=uBkGdrFBNmzG0hkApYVH8/eL/h4DxZmlze22Uu26DkVYho4aOCu5/ECbf5Sm20Gy1L eKC0kwW8kWDjeo6eQv9jhs+o2ci7sOYu16J0pWtru50L6HvBeBCKV+UjHXBQ/yuJ4dii enMiKgog+quOknrQvR0oN0zAhPfpO2mPjKh+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=r6e9kyD0uoc5JKhsPPa3LCLlf8/FjBHbz4PMq8Zrvl2swv/2KVaiuiPYaMBmk/tmjk LYLDnJqFelZMMKjv2/emTKO1hQB9gnRk25Et8MDhK4hrxVL7eCRVnH04pPSOn236JYBm R2Ja5KfBG1Ht7LaDg24KP9qE3BolPdkZimC6U= Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-Id: <72330528-9203-479E-BE0B-B5E868BFF8C7@gmail.com> From: Rion Snow To: Lazlo Steele In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:43:36 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any Glitch Hop heads out there? Here are a few of my favorite glitchy mixes floating around out there: edIT's Hefty Flossed Out: http://www.heftyrecords.com/Hefty_Flossed_Out.mp3 Jantsen's Gutter Music: http://familymoons.com/music/Jansten%20-%20Gutter%20Music%20Mix.mp3 S.P.E.C.T.R.E. vol. 131 on Temporal Fusion: http://temporalfusion.com/ Yum, *R On May 27, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Lazlo Steele wrote: > I'm new to this whole scene and I'm looking for really good glitch > hop mixes > and places I can find new things. Thanks all. > > -- > "The times in which a stranger provided for you what a mother never > could. > And how you felt walking away from your new friend whom you will > never meet > again in this life." > -Hannah Kargol --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150926-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 06:03:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14784 invoked by uid 1103); 28 May 2009 06:03:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14763 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 06:03:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1E2941.2090407@defsf.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:03:45 -0700 From: sean ocean Organization: DEF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jas Strong CC: "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <3A5C8451-FA6B-4ECE-BA82-91EA8C3D1650@heroicrobot.com> In-Reply-To: <3A5C8451-FA6B-4ECE-BA82-91EA8C3D1650@heroicrobot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) +1 yet still i keep being drawn into it. `;P Jas Strong wrote: > Twitter is for losers > > -J. > > On 27 May 2009, at 01:28, J.C. wrote: > >> Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html >> But who was 1st to tweet it? :) >> >> On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: >>> >>> People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD Text >>> track >>> info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a subchannel >>> of the >>> audio stream). >>> >>> Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real >>> inventive >>> skill. >>> >>> -J. >>> >>> >>> On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> like twitter: >>>>> >>> http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf >>>>> >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.joketribe.com >>>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php >>>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) >>>>> >>>>> "Be a light unto yourself." >>>>> - Buddah >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.joketribe.com >>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php >>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) >>>> >>>> "Be a light unto yourself." >>>> - Buddah >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150927-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 06:09:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20266 invoked by uid 1103); 28 May 2009 06:09:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20240 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 06:09:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1E2A98.2080205@defsf.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:09:28 -0700 From: sean ocean Organization: DEF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com CC: "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <513097.32257.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <513097.32257.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more actually this was what the cube thingy that richie hawtin had at his minus tour. it put out a signal so your iphone could pick up the tracklisting with an app he had available for download at the minus site. cheeky marketing bastard. also i've seen ads years ago for cellphone apps that help you ID a track by pressing the microphone up to a speaker. then you can DL the track once you ID'd it. think this has been available in the UK for almost a decade. sean. dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > How long till someone builds an app so that you can download the track while he's still playing it? > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: J.C. > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:06:20 PM > Subject: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more > > like twitter: > http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > > ;) > > > > http://www.joketribe.com > http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > > "Be a light unto yourself." > - Buddah > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150928-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 14:07:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9662 invoked by uid 1103); 28 May 2009 14:07:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9624 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 14:07:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243519650; bh=1xixJien+VIMcRCDOkCbCsCZxwj88KQvgjeWWqDwGYI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nE/J20G80c3QDje1R0i3Cr6GJpf7ablgl7liYBi1hFM9PtwJh6vP7f01GmQ8kB7JLKpS+7DJPn+Zfs8IhE+cIc5rqZJNlk+TwSFMX0X9pDibnOBF0wKd6cAEPQw42UO8u0HVFETA5WxDso9wDlVqSfJn1nNF8W4CaEvQz+91EMg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AigfpKz+Xzo1c54v3Wz+8ULEulCJc8wU/BfEFe05XEcIUQ0ncQv0BVGHPiDtGB4bZARRiCR78e5sNZs+0toHMoOT10p9x0JLI4w056GqeDo0te95MC69xtSOQMthV6umFOgTll7+nY26HmVpP+5EQNTSG669sokg8FyzyBBn8is=; Message-ID: <361340.66795.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: yB1F9AcVM1nbF7XPI8EHGpHSXxfs9r6C8jT_UunRQgmXQXnSiEZ_9wOlqneVz08XYCOG4fuTkFI2cqS4jkW0HbhYR0F.MsM_470Re3b15MkfoGIo89ZavnZctiujmhSjFuZw1ywV8fgwBNzwLW0iDOhopxCFlexjC6Car0xzoaVxC0PW_xDxhkavo0cr2.MMwl5JQMlImJURGsWl12VJ0NkX1wV4NE3_cY6bAVTwg2a4fDyGdGB4Hkea7M_vrF34vs8Z5ZS8jFErr8jqjDnJTuKP27VDoFtfc51r_9cEIFaCe7OkOhaX7wFjTf2WbflFAA3ifWvZSprhwQaJOVR0tqPmIQADGbVZOJAlgy5u3YyDZO0- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <3A5C8451-FA6B-4ECE-BA82-91EA8C3D1650@heroicrobot.com> <4A1E2941.2090407@defsf.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:07:29 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: sean ocean , Jas Strong Cc: "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <4A1E2941.2090407@defsf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) Twitter's not stupid, its dangerous. Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: sean ocean To: Jas Strong Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:03:45 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) +1 yet still i keep being drawn into it. `;P Jas Strong wrote: > Twitter is for losers > > -J. > > On 27 May 2009, at 01:28, J.C. wrote: > >> Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html >> But who was 1st to tweet it? :) >> >> On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: >>> >>> People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD Text >>> track >>> info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a subchannel >>> of the >>> audio stream). >>> >>> Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real >>> inventive >>> skill. >>> >>> -J. >>> >>> >>> On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> like twitter: >>>>> >>> http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf >>>>> >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.joketribe.com >>>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php >>>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) >>>>> >>>>> "Be a light unto yourself." >>>>> - Buddah >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.joketribe.com >>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php >>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) >>>> >>>> "Be a light unto yourself." >>>> - Buddah >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150929-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 14:10:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15352 invoked by uid 1103); 28 May 2009 14:10:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15332 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 14:10:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243519879; bh=tKKkLeK2xnglyIMJ4hkTywEEKQemieewd3Gqx1LN7DQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vYfxR/8aiLBSlMkHRX2SMLvnGKiWWyGHn1qUp5sHwwkJUsQhJ0XOBEiE2dhrv3L9J4WzVsU/e5TxEBalkBWOu04RvrzEuT5ORep/Wb/GA5N4rQJJnxyUso3NYn1rQPmcCnElMaLJjTWDB7JZTA1HI8s/K0zet3grNg/vbYLbnMA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JCJe+Uj1HdrrJk4K+i1pugHGVgIbPATxp6f60yuzy5yZY7Hj+yYDW4nOuPcMe34It3rqbzJixgYV0CGSQ1uo6JZOABduSPy/rQZmZo/8oYCODCFx8a3tQikz3RQ97LNRAHVt7yX1Z9LobLuMipaxEw0H4ylTwJ6pkeUfxeTRKtU=; Message-ID: <115742.75768.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: x8eoOHQVM1myQyBzlo29vLSe9RwC7GOIkhYI4w0_5gM2of6BfJzmxZV1q0z.qNQ7ay5QlxZwOHEMdXO1B88Hfl.CiJO9i1jDZ.3lRW5ZOAdslOsUTUqF_6vXavaOsbLhQ7X9KJTd9gp0XcLJJAgvep3zLNp2IFr1notNVebQd6Elg8xiUb99zj8SLq7nGBaiQWiFMXZ2rEERG6myE0mSFNzMPbB6kqTCbYvOFb9.gQ_TDPR.yPsaG8faHBa5WAGWSzrhCmTMlswsA41x7UHO2jAatxdijcTRjGZc3xr11_7pD5gdow9xWvsYdXdxPve_oCDyFZPYd7jToBvhqfst_RVxD59We5TudMQ0vdux3NqYYEQ- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <513097.32257.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A1E2A98.2080205@defsf.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: sean ocean Cc: "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <4A1E2A98.2080205@defsf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more This is one of the things I was trying to do back at Live365 long before Apple shipped its first iPod. Unfortunately the MP3 players around at the time couldn't hold an entire full length mix. Anyone remember the controversial Rio? I had a Casio MP3 playing watch which held about 5-7 songs. Best, Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: sean ocean To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:09:28 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more actually this was what the cube thingy that richie hawtin had at his minus tour. it put out a signal so your iphone could pick up the tracklisting with an app he had available for download at the minus site. cheeky marketing bastard. also i've seen ads years ago for cellphone apps that help you ID a track by pressing the microphone up to a speaker. then you can DL the track once you ID'd it. think this has been available in the UK for almost a decade. sean. dangrsmind@yahoo.com wrote: > How long till someone builds an app so that you can download the track while he's still playing it? > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: J.C. > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:06:20 PM > Subject: [sfraves] Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more > > like twitter: > http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > > ;) > > > > http://www.joketribe.com > http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > > "Be a light unto yourself." > - Buddah > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150930-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 15:33:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47022 invoked by uid 1103); 28 May 2009 15:33:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46993 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 15:33:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243524848; bh=dZG5Lyf2ByK7OMx/g+GPNgQ/cBvDeG7c4H3CICO2+pw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PMjGZpllF9yiIM3wZl4YfPRCjt/oKTrcXdCDpBu9q65mYkdBkBtgTWAkvH6ni6nOdI0qysw9SwzPrWvcusFCWDPEnrPC5Ho+iRupsbl6mGaPCQXbqe3mR8Hvr3NSIabn75fSFGs9hGLqUmZtolK3TkJMUJZIpZ4ETZSuH+whns8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Dnc5YvqvSDIQVxKHaYCA6VWfBeiPBCXntUl6X91fpFbra0L9Cgq39FuzSQIgPu4IUMAgihSaDP4+FQI2CK1CJrfZhIv3CW5+QoKifkZ6TNXvrdETSaFgRY3QBV057p0xc3jSoCUpYnvsVElevuy5+p8ZOwVms2itXBCRuqHLHIo=; Message-ID: <458040.51562.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Cmczqi8VM1n_44u.bEtKn9VjSDYVTiB.O6TA3Z9vw.PKVn7senRBn.pQ_gQkBoUwSxIBgdUes7cuNjaPNTPJCzGLowvhW0uYRg.Nxc1mkt3q3aAsu6WoxrEfbKdOUYNXmIbhCQlBReGWEwtE5Y.y53f5ep_z9M3LZX..6zbCl9dtAumEatppD1a4ZnqU7SBD.RcGwfTr_3Me3C.mspnDousFboRirf3deUc6OQn3laj877f5wTPyELukyAbjWf9YGu.TpOsPsplFlpgEB8tV6kFObSUoivoZ.URl3xGIL8Wticboctlktnbl6m4pYJ_77w-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <3A5C8451-FA6B-4ECE-BA82-91EA8C3D1650@heroicrobot.com> <4A1E2941.2090407@defsf.com> <361340.66795.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sean ocean , Jas Strong Cc: "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <361340.66795.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) Hahahaha... To free time, maybe. ----- Original Message ---- From: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" To: sean ocean ; Jas Strong Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:07:29 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) Twitter's not stupid, its dangerous. Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: sean ocean To: Jas Strong Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:03:45 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) +1 yet still i keep being drawn into it. `;P Jas Strong wrote: > Twitter is for losers > > -J. > > On 27 May 2009, at 01:28, J.C. wrote: > >> Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html >> But who was 1st to tweet it? :) >> >> On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: >>> >>> People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD Text >>> track >>> info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a subchannel >>> of the >>> audio stream). >>> >>> Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real >>> inventive >>> skill. >>> >>> -J. >>> >>> >>> On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> like twitter: >>>>> >>> http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf >>>>> >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.joketribe.com >>>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php >>>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) >>>>> >>>>> "Be a light unto yourself." >>>>> - Buddah >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.joketribe.com >>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php >>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) >>>> >>>> "Be a light unto yourself." >>>> - Buddah >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150931-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 15:58:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89552 invoked by uid 1103); 28 May 2009 15:58:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89519 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 15:58:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <458040.51562.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <3A5C8451-FA6B-4ECE-BA82-91EA8C3D1650@heroicrobot.com> <4A1E2941.2090407@defsf.com> <361340.66795.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <458040.51562.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:58:37 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0905280858g22998981x3536c2aa9f7fa73c@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: George Cochrane Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com, sean ocean , Jas Strong , "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364eeea873e1f1046afb084d X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) --0016364eeea873e1f1046afb084d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and here I was just thinking it's an easy way to guide people to map points at the last minute... On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:34 AM, George Cochrane wrote: > > Hahahaha... To free time, maybe. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" > To: sean ocean ; Jas Strong > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:07:29 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > > Twitter's not stupid, its dangerous. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: sean ocean > To: Jas Strong > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:03:45 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > +1 > yet still i keep being drawn into it. `;P > > Jas Strong wrote: > > Twitter is for losers > > > > -J. > > > > On 27 May 2009, at 01:28, J.C. wrote: > > > >> Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html > >> But who was 1st to tweet it? :) > >> > >> On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: > >>> > >>> People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD Text > >>> track > >>> info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a subchannel > >>> of the > >>> audio stream). > >>> > >>> Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real > >>> inventive > >>> skill. > >>> > >>> -J. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> like twitter: > >>>>> > >>> http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > >>>>> > >>>>> ;) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.joketribe.com > >>>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > >>>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > >>>>> > >>>>> "Be a light unto yourself." > >>>>> - Buddah > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.joketribe.com > >>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > >>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > >>>> > >>>> "Be a light unto yourself." > >>>> - Buddah > >>>> > >>>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > -- > ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ > > Visit: http://www.defsf.com > west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events > > ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com > ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0016364eeea873e1f1046afb084d-- From sfraves-return-150932-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 16:31:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36594 invoked by uid 1103); 28 May 2009 16:31:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36562 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 16:31:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243528291; bh=v2qx10Ci+mBTgsTF2mOnhcGq7d1ANfzk7fXx3+8JP3M=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aJwVrEEkbkQNFoY+G3vLQRMdhICkQRo5touZhji+K8r5Vg7fghFjwg3YGjRAYkKVipTl1+OkqjD+QDWegkt8TxkTxc6Ab5Xu2Qs7rH2VWdZSKyxM1owEXpEPh6b9jKiR360b4JbbrvnFanIL17Wue2l6XVu9FE0IbIPeGCfD5F0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t4ZhueHLuYeMW5nwDtb4eZXA64HKKRi3b+QWSPJpv88zH1Elr7zIsRLoOdhFU2Xv4ZNTHsLtZeJluVvGUhVGz5LNw/KJk1MYkuMANCGVyOk7MyzoonLGwvZRZglWZSyq2731JCV8nyKC0XjJr7OA4EXYfUAgDbt/gUqDTpWejyg=; Message-ID: <360440.24853.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qB0x5BsVM1lqyqOvVcBqkmp.aIicsMkl07lUWIRz9DlAAPJIW7Bjd8.1TTdUly9OyQ1rGi3r789rcHmK.qHvOqByePYz8GXfDFOg_9dn9bZ7X6Sxt11ya_Lsy.5PGJH2VDE.ZJlAtKXrEHAWFBGp5TdeqrFUY6LEd88KfSlzuqHWNJg_AYKsl4GYY_jTDwIVyQWasyE3UF6SbzowKzUejLei6wptDqJZqhLzMAHpeiYcednIBqh52BHclh_31Rl5uuSB8X2xE8LtuZ88ZI05gaE4bPgG7mOC3UGp6AXP9sO2MmSW8eyIqLcU7.XPwzV84BkVnwZahLu0yik- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <3A5C8451-FA6B-4ECE-BA82-91EA8C3D1650@heroicrobot.com> <4A1E2941.2090407@defsf.com> <361340.66795.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <458040.51562.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <42a0b30f0905280858g22998981x3536c2aa9f7fa73c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:31:31 -0700 (PDT) From: George Cochrane To: Ray Wong Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <42a0b30f0905280858g22998981x3536c2aa9f7fa73c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) Just imagine nascent rave days now... "Ok, so you're going to have to hit up "RaveFace92" on Gchat and say 'I gotta mudbutt uhhh' to get the hash tag you need for us to get you the deets- then tweet "HAtcha HATCHA WOOTLE PIE #(the secret hashtag)" and we'll DM you the MP loc. Don't forget to send me a lily on Lil' Green Patch first, or you'll only be led astray..." ----- Original Message ---- From: Ray Wong To: George Cochrane Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sean ocean ; Jas Strong ; J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:58:37 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) and here I was just thinking it's an easy way to guide people to map points at the last minute... On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:34 AM, George Cochrane wrote: > > Hahahaha... To free time, maybe. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" > To: sean ocean ; Jas Strong > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:07:29 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > > Twitter's not stupid, its dangerous. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: sean ocean > To: Jas Strong > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:03:45 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > +1 > yet still i keep being drawn into it. `;P > > Jas Strong wrote: > > Twitter is for losers > > > > -J. > > > > On 27 May 2009, at 01:28, J.C. wrote: > > > >> Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html > >> But who was 1st to tweet it? :) > >> > >> On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: > >>> > >>> People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD Text > >>> track > >>> info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a subchannel > >>> of the > >>> audio stream). > >>> > >>> Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real > >>> inventive > >>> skill. > >>> > >>> -J. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> like twitter: > >>>>> > >>> http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > >>>>> > >>>>> ;) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.joketribe.com > >>>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > >>>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > >>>>> > >>>>> "Be a light unto yourself." > >>>>> - Buddah > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.joketribe.com > >>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > >>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > >>>> > >>>> "Be a light unto yourself." > >>>> - Buddah > >>>> > >>>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > -- > ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ > > Visit: http://www.defsf.com > west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events > > ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com > ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150933-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 17:16:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14514 invoked by uid 1103); 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Remember when it used to be a bad idea to click on random links people emailed you? Clicking on random links people post is the entire point of Twitter at some level. Twitter was built without regard to security as evidenced by the hack in which a brute force attack was employed to crack a Twitter employee's password. Hint: "happiness" is a weak password and its not typical for a human tro try multiple thousands of passwords to access their account. But there are worse problems lurking in the platform as it exists right now. The recent plague of "don't click" style attacks on Twitter is just a hint at what is coming...a large scale distribution of malware via Twitter. Already a number of phishing attacks have been distributed on Twitter, Facebook , and other social media sites for example disguised as those stupid quizes. And if you remember the recent "25 random thiings about me" fad on Facebook, you might be curious to learn that no one knows who started that or why. Ther ecent 4chan incursion into YouTube included a toxic malware payload in addition to porn images. Don't say you weren't warned! Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: George Cochrane To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sean ocean ; Jas Strong Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:34:08 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) Hahahaha... To free time, maybe. ----- Original Message ---- From: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" To: sean ocean ; Jas Strong Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:07:29 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) Twitter's not stupid, its dangerous. Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: sean ocean To: Jas Strong Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:03:45 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) +1 yet still i keep being drawn into it. `;P Jas Strong wrote: > Twitter is for losers > > -J. > > On 27 May 2009, at 01:28, J.C. wrote: > >> Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html >> But who was 1st to tweet it? :) >> >> On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: >>> >>> People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD Text >>> track >>> info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a subchannel >>> of the >>> audio stream). >>> >>> Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real >>> inventive >>> skill. >>> >>> -J. >>> >>> >>> On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> like twitter: >>>>> >>> http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf >>>>> >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.joketribe.com >>>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php >>>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) >>>>> >>>>> "Be a light unto yourself." >>>>> - Buddah >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.joketribe.com >>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php >>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) >>>> >>>> "Be a light unto yourself." >>>> - Buddah >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150934-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 17:17:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16358 invoked by uid 1103); 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charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) Post encrypted directions for the last leg on Twitter, and distribute the decryption keys by hand at previous map points. Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Ray Wong To: George Cochrane Cc: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sean ocean ; Jas Strong ; J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:58:37 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) and here I was just thinking it's an easy way to guide people to map points at the last minute... On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:34 AM, George Cochrane wrote: > > Hahahaha... To free time, maybe. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" > To: sean ocean ; Jas Strong > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:07:29 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > > Twitter's not stupid, its dangerous. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: sean ocean > To: Jas Strong > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:03:45 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > +1 > yet still i keep being drawn into it. `;P > > Jas Strong wrote: > > Twitter is for losers > > > > -J. > > > > On 27 May 2009, at 01:28, J.C. wrote: > > > >> Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html > >> But who was 1st to tweet it? :) > >> > >> On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: > >>> > >>> People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD Text > >>> track > >>> info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a subchannel > >>> of the > >>> audio stream). > >>> > >>> Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real > >>> inventive > >>> skill. > >>> > >>> -J. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> like twitter: > >>>>> > >>> http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > >>>>> > >>>>> ;) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.joketribe.com > >>>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > >>>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > >>>>> > >>>>> "Be a light unto yourself." > >>>>> - Buddah > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.joketribe.com > >>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > >>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > >>>> > >>>> "Be a light unto yourself." > >>>> - Buddah > >>>> > >>>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > -- > ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ > > Visit: http://www.defsf.com > west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events > > ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com > ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150935-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 22:03:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53511 invoked by uid 1103); 28 May 2009 22:03:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53088 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 22:02:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Zo3gkT//reqLmxllJfaYQ/VZzTnvNipK+hjwSWyUNEU=; b=w42/98jXb5hvwEQY/DbJhThjSKUrXjaOAx/bCAZp1z99/F6XiZ7EO8o9C9MSs6VnDH pkwGRjiRHPiCpE2Ix0nW51XIM9s2z/mjMGfn+hNNgiJ6jVnRalUEdc7XtpOoTDMCdSBn 7DYdzILBlaLG3+J16ZKGaqZqyOn4+3+G/OpE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=T70Wim0akOlJmAblukCykBJXCYHlIUGQLwBGxxBuRaQ20iZ3CQ7Q0h2YctqxKv+WeU D7cVZ+jUDLFGO/a6Yt7Hf5Asgut7kbjh4BpQA0c5c3ZAATL8eBYUMtiLwiVZGSXouTTu l8kR/8mxjQwVUg9v7efcs9w7w8eh4fz12Yg0Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <457592.72607.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3A5C8451-FA6B-4ECE-BA82-91EA8C3D1650@heroicrobot.com> <4A1E2941.2090407@defsf.com> <361340.66795.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <458040.51562.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <457592.72607.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:03:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matt Stone To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: George Cochrane , sean ocean , Jas Strong , "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016360e3b3c620158046b00208b X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) --0016360e3b3c620158046b00208b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:16 AM, wrote: > > No. Twitter is a vector for malware and mind viruses. Remember when it > used to be a bad idea to click on random links people emailed you? Clicking > on random links people post is the entire point of Twitter at some level. > > Twitter was built without regard to security as evidenced by the hack in > which a brute force attack was employed to crack a Twitter employee's > password. Hint: "happiness" is a weak password and its not typical for a > human tro try multiple thousands of passwords to access their account. But > there are worse problems lurking in the platform as it exists right now. > > The recent plague of "don't click" style attacks on Twitter is just a hint > at what is coming...a large scale distribution of malware via Twitter. > Already a number of phishing attacks have been distributed on Twitter, > Facebook , and other social media sites for example disguised as those > stupid quizes. And if you remember the recent "25 random thiings about me" > fad on Facebook, you might be curious to learn that no one knows who started > that or why. Ther ecent 4chan incursion into YouTube included a toxic > malware payload in addition to porn images. > > Don't say you weren't warned! > > Errrrr unlikely. Maybe if you browse the web with IE, which is like fucking a prostitute with a 10 year old condom that you've punched holes in. The worst that might happen is some cross site scripting or request forgery. You're not going to get a virus from clicking a link on twitter. If you are dumb enough to open an executable from the internet that you didn't expect or md5sum... well you're stupid. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: George Cochrane > To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sean ocean ; Jas Strong < > jasmine@heroicrobot.com> > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:34:08 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > > Hahahaha... To free time, maybe. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" > To: sean ocean ; Jas Strong > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:07:29 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > > Twitter's not stupid, its dangerous. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: sean ocean > To: Jas Strong > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:03:45 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > +1 > yet still i keep being drawn into it. `;P > > Jas Strong wrote: > > Twitter is for losers > > > > -J. > > > > On 27 May 2009, at 01:28, J.C. wrote: > > > >> Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html > >> But who was 1st to tweet it? :) > >> > >> On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: > >>> > >>> People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD Text > >>> track > >>> info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a subchannel > >>> of the > >>> audio stream). > >>> > >>> Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real > >>> inventive > >>> skill. > >>> > >>> -J. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> like twitter: > >>>>> > >>> http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > >>>>> > >>>>> ;) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.joketribe.com > >>>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > >>>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > >>>>> > >>>>> "Be a light unto yourself." > >>>>> - Buddah > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.joketribe.com > >>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > >>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > >>>> > >>>> "Be a light unto yourself." > >>>> - Buddah > >>>> > >>>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > -- > ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ > > Visit: http://www.defsf.com > west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events > > ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com > ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --0016360e3b3c620158046b00208b-- From sfraves-return-150936-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 29 03:26:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10088 invoked by uid 1103); 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Message-ID: <707616.48366.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JKaYfiQVM1koEm6jy5dNHfRW7wHLsRcuTOrFBDYlYJSEZuikSv.hg6uw4XjSDD3m7P1Rykx5KInJCEFO4SeNxEzijJFnW1xv5uNX4xQQzknPQPtEelO3sc6m1EHKEhUHrXTycSmM4p6I1b4TUO1ho90jBcUNw8WDO3b6Rl7vVBP9qr4h2hWsbDNBnjKz8ZzAlSLpDhl_8mHnFpkzplqBkJp5ZWTE2vW_fInffi3rvautP7ha04aMI5V1GZfExGmWNDlKRQ9YCW1fPWp1sZhUkLBh82suhG4eLlkNJfuQEQBu_K4r5X2bT3PtX04Xe_j_1cp5copxgyqMUzFW7BPRnRjbBUOuU4WtxA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <3A5C8451-FA6B-4ECE-BA82-91EA8C3D1650@heroicrobot.com> <4A1E2941.2090407@defsf.com> <361340.66795.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <458040.51562.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <457592.72607.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Matt Stone Cc: George Cochrane , sean ocean , Jas Strong , "J.C." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) Sure only stupid people. Now take all the stupid people in the world, connect them together in real-time, and you get things like millions of people clicking a link preceded by text that says "do not click" over the course of a few hours because, well, no one I talked to actually could explain exactly why they clicked it. But they did. No offense, but the attack I describe is not only technically feasible, it has already been executed on Twitter in a small number of cases. The attack was detected by security researchers and it is real. I don't actually know if the a large scale attack via Twitter will ever occur or not, but one has to assume that a practice run is practice for something. Best, Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Stone To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: George Cochrane ; sean ocean ; Jas Strong ; J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:03:14 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees your time up to do SO much more) On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:16 AM, wrote: > > No. Twitter is a vector for malware and mind viruses. Remember when it > used to be a bad idea to click on random links people emailed you? Clicking > on random links people post is the entire point of Twitter at some level. > > Twitter was built without regard to security as evidenced by the hack in > which a brute force attack was employed to crack a Twitter employee's > password. Hint: "happiness" is a weak password and its not typical for a > human tro try multiple thousands of passwords to access their account. But > there are worse problems lurking in the platform as it exists right now. > > The recent plague of "don't click" style attacks on Twitter is just a hint > at what is coming...a large scale distribution of malware via Twitter. > Already a number of phishing attacks have been distributed on Twitter, > Facebook , and other social media sites for example disguised as those > stupid quizes. And if you remember the recent "25 random thiings about me" > fad on Facebook, you might be curious to learn that no one knows who started > that or why. Ther ecent 4chan incursion into YouTube included a toxic > malware payload in addition to porn images. > > Don't say you weren't warned! > > Errrrr unlikely. Maybe if you browse the web with IE, which is like fucking a prostitute with a 10 year old condom that you've punched holes in. The worst that might happen is some cross site scripting or request forgery. You're not going to get a virus from clicking a link on twitter. If you are dumb enough to open an executable from the internet that you didn't expect or md5sum... well you're stupid. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: George Cochrane > To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com; sean ocean ; Jas Strong < > jasmine@heroicrobot.com> > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:34:08 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > > Hahahaha... To free time, maybe. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "dangrsmind@yahoo.com" > To: sean ocean ; Jas Strong > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:07:29 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > > Twitter's not stupid, its dangerous. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: sean ocean > To: Jas Strong > Cc: J.C. ; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:03:45 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Make that Traktor DJ (was Re: Abelton Live frees > your time up to do SO much more) > > +1 > yet still i keep being drawn into it. `;P > > Jas Strong wrote: > > Twitter is for losers > > > > -J. > > > > On 27 May 2009, at 01:28, J.C. wrote: > > > >> Yeah, for at least 8 yrs.: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/md-l@amulation.com/msg13536.html > >> But who was 1st to tweet it? :) > >> > >> On 5/26/09, Jasmine Strong wrote: > >>> > >>> People have been doing this for years. If you use CDJs, the CD Text > >>> track > >>> info comes out on the S/P DIF connector anyway (it's in a subchannel > >>> of the > >>> audio stream). > >>> > >>> Yet another example of Hawtin being a publicity whore with no real > >>> inventive > >>> skill. > >>> > >>> -J. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 26 May 2009, at 23:07, J.C. wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On 27 May 2009, J.C. wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> like twitter: > >>>>> > >>> http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf > >>>>> > >>>>> ;) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.joketribe.com > >>>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > >>>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > >>>>> > >>>>> "Be a light unto yourself." > >>>>> - Buddah > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.joketribe.com > >>>> http://www.kzsu.org/~dougm/Reinvent.Your.World.php > >>>> AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) > >>>> > >>>> "Be a light unto yourself." > >>>> - Buddah > >>>> > >>>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > -- > ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ > > Visit: http://www.defsf.com > west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events > > ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com > ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150937-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 29 06:11:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73344 invoked by uid 1103); 29 May 2009 06:11:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73306 invoked from network); 29 May 2009 06:11:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:11:11 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Baby Daddy" Reply-To: djbabydaddy@djbabydaddy.com To: CC: Message-ID: <2b7056399c5e4d64ae7056046f983622@dpmail28.doteasy.com> X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.10 () [Hold at 5.00] RDNS_NONE X-CanItPRO-Stream: base:default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 21259447 - 8e979c19aaca X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.168.101.86 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.101.86 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: new mix, caveman style http://bfamilyrecords.com/mixes/comments.php?nav=3D0&id=3D208=0D=0A=0D=0Ai = finally got a round to mixing a lot of the baltimore stuff i've been collec= ting. with smidges of mashup, ghetto house and electro. ~enjoy~=0D=0A=0D= =0APLUS...don't sleep on the bfamily trax section...lots of new ish from Th= rillS n Grillz & Jon Schatz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150938-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 29 13:44:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74273 invoked by uid 1103); 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Message-ID: <956116.44365.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: A6HD1TQVM1mGxmiTAYJq8M8RMcR.5eJ6uwuQp4W8Ht44cuRdoCdnemqTiXlcHdbHsiVi3o8YECri4X5ZGWTOUHBcIJgU_UsI2Y708vk0Gil5koddNJNQ0pniBSUEkU05NjFb9sjqEWbb6uYshaDuj9kS8V1rUDCb00vUtC510muh4u1Js_glsT8ZfgkQRr_FpnJ50rJJWtmXzmRoaEIRKVo2YWDvosif_U4tVmhR9fWGxmUToygTx3QiJ_Uwg1Yhe34NNaz0oK6QnCCmYa6aRZB.x9U8SQj2NEHzxCP.4ctq3MuUjMDvUoLeZcIAEyDfdFBvwi2u X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:33:47 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] more underground hassles? I hear there were some more hassles at undergrounds in SF this past weekend. What's the scoop? Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150940-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 30 02:44:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9241 invoked by uid 1103); 30 May 2009 02:44:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9221 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 02:44:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243651485; bh=SDxhghZiLX3WXqrEjwIb4jAsOuD5OHZzTCBBLImWdPY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XwE7drGW8rP234YZ1GIKKL0ws5Zw18H0TLGCUC3vdVO3OLBdL+FSaOAvJkuX+HjqM/bHw34upvnkoTd71qci+0+QP8BqHzBMTivs+2niUagM6cP4bsI/Xf9QRIdSm6gnTC5l+KFiKVFjTS7lcRf0Ydo/5iXJ2ns2WxtJsQz9IfE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KGWvyh7tgjTvaENeCYohygTsSMss8E3concK76lY/1FmCfOOlcRizdNKeR8qcpnBCaS4i96YFGUnFNmjWoj3s4c9CZjBPvIhN4qa59qgeS7UZM4ZvsXl1doNiDznCv3aIysprWj8YyLVJxhaxsZ15bAwfeL0rx5swW1DWdYOz7M=; Message-ID: <644238.79740.qm@web112407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vCxC9FcVM1nB3MHG.n.9EG1xrpgdBIjGDk.0KeELGwmQZwkpsqMEcYvLOucNEW.g.qLYoNH3WvqZsptdBuLy74ZMzmQbqF15EkjpPJguKOH8R35gV36RGLCXbrGiGs5eEXBivPJsjQVeL4fLA_v8RbjOYgtWyWuwajkfC.T0hQUUF3QgUqCaUUaQuuKekutY1AzGrQ7vfLviNMx0qeSlMnYviCivqP.s2YBW4zP61p2qszaqTz_kVwdDIt.SU796lUnj16czfAOCqc01oZ3mJQioUDJY2uLq46CbcT1aBbOtDJQd3g7UibwX32sHRMrAxK2j57702WG9eskQnwGeftUXCQqgYw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.12 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:44:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriana To: plurrific MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1466663609-1243651485=:79740" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] i happen to find this mix online, thought i share it's friggin awesome --0-1466663609-1243651485=:79740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://electronicdancer.podomatic.com/entry/2009-04-14T09_37_18-07_00 enjoy!!! -adrie --0-1466663609-1243651485=:79740-- From sfraves-return-150941-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 30 06:33:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94187 invoked by uid 1103); 30 May 2009 06:33:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94169 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 06:33:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243665247; bh=Ex2ignMG5/HDXR1MRFdZlrNCvcC1+CSBvBsrQ0mrki0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WWWt7eUgCxannmNrFjhiMIBP0iFZccl37FHWCvAUETp7+Nqfvpxo29QbCrxbl9Nvvw5A3ClNVPhxpOIvnW6FnUS8c4U1nl9rQpGdwL6w+cdxTZK7ibiuAFrYiTCr2H3+13aumn6vV8gXr7yD7+mIj+tQ0Jq2hmQC0oelyJWu6Xs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vy2pEYx6muzblqZ8YBstrlbxMDwo+sPfMyFmCNjlfTWTnlVRYN0OsY8VBsRThv+SxXsNPt3GtsW6EI+7jSkNtJ3TiDhLNoOD5uTs+eAG3sYarK8DwGSSmTAmmMRB4J5zTyP7ConcM2ZefGqWrxzDPYbYt5eaydwj97NgMqvcTTg=; Message-ID: <484232.98786.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: XeaNh2oVM1kSl_QvKYdu7n.mqfnnzKSoc_KkPn2WM2QyXIjvkapGOwEM5qK_.cjZg74fcxuM8YJNsX6Y39ty_y4aSS6tbYWHqnDBCw9InTm1AfMMyxMyvV7_R5_.p4XKG4RX5JT5.C.gbqJIDbCJM4Fax2zZ3stqjIl8xq33OW7S0deOSiZKCA98uzeFOv44zdHKTE6uD4J4HBTBe7JypG19kHgDHVykKaN9TQfruEjPufCnUJx1qzk.2rl29u2gWPHXXTMj3DBNZPqphGwyVkY7U_tiVJmj.1tvCgZi1.e_iogTyARtDiqMM982_HniUCePOJ5AOKMjUK9DswKTeVelV2JlrA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <644238.79740.qm@web112407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:34:07 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Adriana , plurrific In-Reply-To: <644238.79740.qm@web112407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] i happen to find this mix online, thought i share it's friggin awesome Since we are sharing links... For the old school SF/Chi-town house heads: Mark Farina/Derrick Carter/Heather 7 hr set (!!!) http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102593227367&s=2735&e=001kcIUBsjBCVmZi3fAGEVXxszgRMJUa-bJKgF6j48Sc3D9OBBBUFO7RyVITTr_2XnkSrWM-Y9j9PgLbpBd7Wr3kvUFHGsjxndzvrHIUWkaoeii3ZO5kSLRSh_EIsOcAygB3sLH12q-f84= Thanks to DJ Rooz for the mix link. Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: Adriana To: plurrific Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:44:45 PM Subject: [sfraves] i happen to find this mix online, thought i share it's friggin awesome http://electronicdancer.podomatic.com/entry/2009-04-14T09_37_18-07_00 enjoy!!! -adrie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150942-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 30 13:21:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51639 invoked by uid 1103); 30 May 2009 13:21:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51610 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 13:21:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20090530082220.ac3idhzu88so0kow@webmail.viberation.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:22:20 -0500 From: osby@viberation.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <644238.79740.qm@web112407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <484232.98786.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <484232.98786.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TNR: My 26 hour adventure OK.. sorry I been lagging w/ my reviews of where I been & what i been =20 doing, but like fuuuuuuuuck man... writters block ain't no joke... =20 luckily this week has been like soooo inspirational in mondo so like =20 many ways & stuff man.... so yeah... I got like 2 months of WRs & =20 adventures to post which I actually remember deatails from each gypsy =20 raver adventure... so YAAAAAAAAAAY!! lol Oh yeah... |TNR =3D Tuesday Night Review| since I been like goin' out =20 alot kinda more on the weeknights well.. kinda, but not really, but =20 it's the only best time to take bart... anywaze... So Big Bro Briskie was in town & spun @ Skills ETD POP shindig... as =20 always when he's in town, we always gonna rendesvous @ some point & =20 have some Bro bonding, which I just totally treasure 'cause I heart =20 that English fucker hella man! I told him I wouldn't be in the City =20 'til Tuesday & we should meet up & dinner or something.. but nothing =20 totally like got finalized... so i was kinda confuzed, but whatev... Tuesday came & well... I had to like book it as fast as possible to =20 Upper haight for our preproduction meeting for haight street fair =20 (which I'll be bsping soon) & it was 4PM in Hercules still & I had to =20 skoot quickstyle like through the public transportation journey... bus =20 bus bart was good, but like the muni took 4ever & it was sooooo like =20 damn squishy as fuck & this Indian Dude who thought it was a good idea =20 to stand on the steps next to the door like kept hardcore hella =20 pushing me while i stood tip toed against the wall while i holding the =20 fuckin' pole sticking on it like hands inward so my elbows were hella =20 stickin' out a lil past my head for like 20 minutes... Got to the library on Paige Street a lil late, then the meeting ended =20 like earlier than planned, an hour earlier... so I figured I could =20 find somewhere cheap to eat... so like while i was walkin down =20 Haight... I dunno.. I just had this mondo feeling I shouldn't be =20 leaving quite yet & I dunno.. I had this like constant repeating =20 thought about Briskie for some reason... Ended up in Lower Haight & kinda found this Mexican Resturaunt to eat =20 cheap... while I ate, I remembered that I didn't take like my commuter =20 piss yet, so I used the bathroom & like got stuck in there for like 5 =20 hours while i was tryin' to open the door, well, a song & a 1/2 from =20 the ch00nage on my ipod... oops... my shoe was blocking the door... =20 Hello 2Day... Went to Shelter @ the Top not too long after that... like it was kinda =20 neato... like there's a whole new batch of Jungle kiddies now that =20 kinda filled the club.. the 1st Dj on was this Bad Ass Chica who drop =20 like alota jump up & had bassy jungle.. she was good!! I mean.. i'm =20 glad Shelter is getting like a good group of regs now & there's new =20 junglists inthe scene!! :) So that kinda got me happy... But like I was still kinda buggin'.. 'caiuse I still ain't seen Big =20 Bro yet, there were times during my trek so far like I kept thinkin' I =20 needed to check my facebook to see if he wrote me on there 'cause =20 that's how we been talkin' while he was here & on AIM.. & actually, we =20 had a skype conversation too! Then I realized that alota the Jungle =20 heads @ the club were geeks & had iphones... so my Homie Rey let me =20 borrow his & sure enough, he wrote me a note on there to text him when =20 i got that note... hello 2day, I was sooo fuckin' giddy.. LoL.. but =20 like Rey's phone wouldn't let me text his UK # on his phone... luckily =20 Ms Haze let me text on hers & he texted back & big bro told me where =20 he was... OK.. so I took a bus from Lower Haight to J-Town then to The TL '& =20 another bus to go down O'farrel 'cause they were @ this english pub =20 called ummm... something, can't remember... lol... as soon as I got =20 there, he was out smokin' with some dude... DJ K-Dose from Aussie, =20 Kurt.. then we went inside & I met his other friends.. this Dude s3rl =20 (the 3 of them spun @ skills) & his GF, ummmm, Julie for now, & then =20 this other hella tall dude like stood up to shake my hand... "Osby, this is Scott," Briskie introed us & we shook hands. Then I =20 looked @ Scott's face & he has like this kinda long hair in a pony =20 tail & I hella wondered "What the fuck man.. wait"!!! "Hey Scott!! Nice to meet ya dude!! Ummm... so like what's your last =20 name, if you don't mind me asking?" I asked him 'cause I just had this =20 huge feeling I knew what he was gonna say! "Oh. me last name's Brown," he said... & as soon as he said that... i =20 started heeeeeeeeeeella laughing man.... Scott fuckin' Brown... I =20 mean.. yeah... i was laughing so hard that I fell down on the ground =20 'cause I couldn't stop laughing.. I mean.. fuckin' scott brown man.. =20 like one of the happy hardcore legends was just like casually kickin =20 it... But no no no, I wasn't like all fanboy nervous or anything.. it's just =20 I was listening to a scott brown choon on my ipod when i was like on =20 bart, & it was just the whole irnoy of the situation just made me =20 hella fuckni' bust up laughing my ass off.. I mean.. I told him =20 eventually at some pint that lil story why i was LOLing so hard & =20 shit... but yeah... It was just hella trippy too man 'cause I mean... I didn't expect to =20 like get bombarded by a fuckin' happy hardcore DJ convention in the =20 City that night... Briskie said that he was with some Homies & I =20 thought he meant like fucikin' out mutual SF Bay area local Homies... =20 so like it just took a while for everything to sink in that it was =20 actually happening & my body was still kinda like feeling like it was =20 still on the muni... After a few drinks, hella laughs, I relaxed & ok.. Hello 2day... =20 eeeverything is fuckin' funny with like well.. 2 English guys & 3 =20 Aussies... they can make anything funny, so conversations were never =20 short of like hella lmao moments... well.. they wre all drunk & =20 getting me to catch up... but yeah.. me & Scott like started having =20 contests to see who had the best Briskie stories & stuff... then like =20 Kurt K-Dose, well, I'll get to him in a bit... S3rl was kinda quiet, =20 but man.. he had this bad ass color job on his hair... the top was =20 blue with this red stripe in the middle & he had all these CooL rings =20 on his ummm.. left hand... alota star rings :) So like Scott was in town 'cause he wanted to site see a lil before he =20 went to Vegas, somehow he ended up getting in contact with big bro & =20 hangin' out for the night.. but when it was like around 1:30, Scott, =20 S3rl, & Julie for now went back to their hotel... Briskie & Kurt were =20 stayin' @ the same place, so we all walked back there with a ummmm, =20 loud pit stop at 7-11... lol.... Oh my goodness man... lol We got back to Briskie's room 'cause he told me I could chill there & =20 wait for BART to open at 4AM then cut out.. until then, we were gonna =20 finish the vodka in his room, so he don't gotta dump it all away =20 before he leaves Wed Afternoon... "OK, I could have two drinks I guess & just be kinda swervin' when i'm =20 on bart & bus," I thought after he poured me a sprite/ voodka... ummm =20 yeah... that didn't happen!! I mean.. I drink when I do.. people don't think I do, but I do!! So =20 like if it's a yummy sweet drink, of course I'm all over it!!! =20 Ummmm... I guess I was diggin' all the soda vodka cocktails they wre =20 makin' for me 'cause i kinda had more than 2! Anywaze, through out =20 this whole rest of hotel mayhem, like there were hella trips to go =20 outside to smoke with Kurt, 2 tourist girls from Seattle eventually =20 party with us, i drink more & get heeeeeeeella wasted! LoL.. yeah =20 man... I mean.. I have not been that mondo drunk in sooooooo long... =20 it was well... more eventful than I totally originally planned man! Next thing i know, it's like 11AM & I'm waking up in Big Bro's bed, I =20 look over & he's there! Hello 2day, I guess i didn't make the 4:17AM =20 Pittsburg/ Antioch bart train... lol... ok.. my head was sooooooooooo =20 fucki'n throbing, I couldn't really move it 'cause seriously, any =20 movement gave me this mondo hardcore motion sickness... lol... but i =20 was just soo confuzed! "Morning Osby", Briskie greeted me in a kinda soft but deep morning =20 voice grumble. "Hey Big Bro! Dude, what the fuck happened to me man? How'd I end up =20 in your bed man?" I asked back in the same tone his voice was. "You got pissed the fuck up mate! You were proper mashed Dude! You =20 wasn't gonna leave all fucked up like that on them trains & buses!" he =20 said. "Well, I best leave now then man." I said while I slowly tried to get =20 up. "I need to get hooooooooome or else..." "Naw man, just fuckin' Relax Osby," he said as he put his hand on my =20 shoulder & gentley pulled down so I was lying down again. "You =20 probably feel as fucked up as I do man, you fuckin' light weight! Just =20 fuckin' lie down & relax! Kristie's comiong here at 12, so hang back =20 dude!" Well.. he was right! I could barely sit up in bed w/o my head feeling =20 like it was gonna unscrew itself from my neck... so we just chilled in =20 bed talking and like catching up with each other aobut everything! =20 LoL.. it was hella funny, when the clock exactly hit 11:59, there was =20 a knock on the door. Briskie made me answer it LoL & I was all =20 wearing like my shirt & boxers. It was Kristie & she was all =20 surprised to see me... I guess B didn't tell her I was there still... "Osby, what the fuck are you doing here?" she asked me while she hella =20 started giggline. "I'm hung the fuck over & Big Bro was takin' are of me, makin' sure i =20 didn't do anything stupid I guess!" i said. "Mmmmmhmmmm, ok! Then why's it smell like Red Bull & Sex in here =20 then?" she asked in a funny sarcastic loud way while she was hella =20 laughing, walking into the room. "Oh shut the fuck up Kristie!" B yelled back , hella laughing! =20 Kristie jumped in bed & gave big bro a hug. Then I jumped in bed & =20 hugged Kristie. We all just stayed in bed together like & just talked =20 for like 1/2 an hour or something. B got ready while me & Kristie stayed in bed still talking... an hour =20 later, after B had all shit packed & we did a final check to see if we =20 left anything in the room, we were downstairs checcking out. When we =20 got outside, we all gave each other goodbbye hugs.. Kristie had to get =20 back to work & I hella had to get home. I hugged Briskie bye then =20 started walkin' away then felt this hella hard tug on my back pack. "Oh no Osby, you're comin' with me to the airport Mate! You promised =20 me lastnight since no one was driving me & you said you could!" he said. "I did?" I hella wondered outloud, hella confuzed! "I have no idea =20 what the fuck you're talkin' about B!!!" "Yeh Osby, you did! Now help me get a cab!" he said as he grabbed my =20 back pack again & lead me to the parked cabs. LoL.. yeah.. it was kinda trippy 'cause I mean.. this was the 1st time =20 like I've extended my goodbye to big bro whenever he was in town... I =20 actually made him call my Mom on his phone to tell her where I was so =20 I wouldn't get yelled at for coming home 9 hours later than planned... =20 LoL.. oh shit, yeah man, i just realized I make him call my Mom =20 whenever he's in town 'cause My Mom Loves Him! LoL... He explained to =20 her how he was takin' care of me 'cause I was drunk yada yada yada... =20 so yeah, lol, funny shit! 20 minutes later, we were @ the airport & basically spent the next 3 =20 hours talkin' to tourist, eating, smokin' cigs, talkin' to the flight =20 attendants who were goin' on their flights... lol.. yeah, it was So Dope just =20 spending more time with bog bro... but man.. fuckni' when I walked him =20 to his gate & we had our goodbye hugs & final chats... it was all =20 fuckin' bittersweet & shit man 'cause grrr... I Hella Love my Big =20 Bro... & it was sad & I seriously had mondo wateroworks building up in =20 my eyes... then I saw him off walking through security check!!! We actually talked about meetin up in Austin Texas next month 'cause =20 my Homie Brian's throwing a big ass candy party & he's spinning... so =20 we're gonna ask Brian to fly me out there too!!! LoL The public transportation journey home was easy, but looooooooong.. I =20 ain't rode bart from South city in heeeeeella daze, but yeah... I =20 kinda felt funky 'cause I was like hardcore doin' the dirty raver from =20 yesterday travel... but yeah... YAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! LoL... I finally got =20 home around 6PM & Hello 2day, i was still hungover! LOLOLMAO Good times!!! :) Peace=3D-> Just Me=3D-> Osby {8O) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150943-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 30 13:34:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68102 invoked by uid 1103); 30 May 2009 13:34:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68081 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 13:34:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243690511; bh=nPv/j1pVlZbaq6aPj5TPdFdWDur3dMHTV2Rh4cZMJy0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZWhOpjyJkjCOmT22h3ZCjWG48ksosSLyeTPbf6StKOu9Hl+GhIIVn1l1Naw2o9GxS2fvqN9XSnwmGDwnEsCandi+gKgK8aBbR/w3GkdaLzxM6ioaB26+zYKCM7QZYtZdJ3sG85ewW4qwnWAom3SvOyIICSTI0gChvKoL8IS+A1s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zKX9rzMzeAilIi+3A0qHzPO55oZ93i+QtvrYKovrwEEk1XRupSujFPDWIQ6DOhktAA1fdrr9RAw0rTNBxxBvDhGyag8IJFPjjsbHIM2Q5Qb7wKEp6ABUK1Gi7I8r0W5N3eyNpx85ik48zFnyQ3c6F2cvoCdw2CwUZuIJ1AHGyHo=; Message-ID: <706196.26527.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 49pNK8sVM1mDD.1mbljFhVUtPhmH2V_3iSu_QGGtEnMQsgaw0bJmfD2VmiadKb9rbsJTHZvcUh9an59XBSToMVpNC9fItQZz49b3eZwoDyvGoaBFymHn1CB6wIucaEFdcqeSg0TSLNzozgXXsD.mnCpuCE3ErxVwsWMjRSUdF40dMyNPHCMZOTaC8CiKL_O1RTf1PEzYWCEviuRkRXHkMSomoHQ6hwP6Mk3Y80Y8RDNzBVVTHYkpzeZd8s8x4Ua34g4zmm37b6T66R.uOtYlUtjvDTyjXiCzM22CbXb_I0wE0bXvhsSKgX207o9H3BFyQ5AVxT_Fma57E4r8NAbPTmZap_RzAQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <644238.79740.qm@web112407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <484232.98786.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090530082220.ac3idhzu88so0kow@webmail.viberation.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 06:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: osby@viberation.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20090530082220.ac3idhzu88so0kow@webmail.viberation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] TNR: My 26 hour adventure And up at 6AM posting to the list! Heroic! Peter ----- Original Message ---- From: "osby@viberation.com" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:22:20 AM Subject: [sfraves] TNR: My 26 hour adventure OK.. sorry I been lagging w/ my reviews of where I been & what i been doing, but like fuuuuuuuuck man... writters block ain't no joke... luckily this week has been like soooo inspirational in mondo so like many ways & stuff man.... so yeah... I got like 2 months of WRs & adventures to post which I actually remember deatails from each gypsy raver adventure... so YAAAAAAAAAAY!! lol Oh yeah... |TNR = Tuesday Night Review| since I been like goin' out alot kinda more on the weeknights well.. kinda, but not really, but it's the only best time to take bart... anywaze... So Big Bro Briskie was in town & spun @ Skills ETD POP shindig... as always when he's in town, we always gonna rendesvous @ some point & have some Bro bonding, which I just totally treasure 'cause I heart that English fucker hella man! I told him I wouldn't be in the City 'til Tuesday & we should meet up & dinner or something.. but nothing totally like got finalized... so i was kinda confuzed, but whatev... Tuesday came & well... I had to like book it as fast as possible to Upper haight for our preproduction meeting for haight street fair (which I'll be bsping soon) & it was 4PM in Hercules still & I had to skoot quickstyle like through the public transportation journey... bus bus bart was good, but like the muni took 4ever & it was sooooo like damn squishy as fuck & this Indian Dude who thought it was a good idea to stand on the steps next to the door like kept hardcore hella pushing me while i stood tip toed against the wall while i holding the fuckin' pole sticking on it like hands inward so my elbows were hella stickin' out a lil past my head for like 20 minutes... Got to the library on Paige Street a lil late, then the meeting ended like earlier than planned, an hour earlier... so I figured I could find somewhere cheap to eat... so like while i was walkin down Haight... I dunno.. I just had this mondo feeling I shouldn't be leaving quite yet & I dunno.. I had this like constant repeating thought about Briskie for some reason... Ended up in Lower Haight & kinda found this Mexican Resturaunt to eat cheap... while I ate, I remembered that I didn't take like my commuter piss yet, so I used the bathroom & like got stuck in there for like 5 hours while i was tryin' to open the door, well, a song & a 1/2 from the ch00nage on my ipod... oops... my shoe was blocking the door... Hello 2Day... Went to Shelter @ the Top not too long after that... like it was kinda neato... like there's a whole new batch of Jungle kiddies now that kinda filled the club.. the 1st Dj on was this Bad Ass Chica who drop like alota jump up & had bassy jungle.. she was good!! I mean.. i'm glad Shelter is getting like a good group of regs now & there's new junglists inthe scene!! :) So that kinda got me happy... But like I was still kinda buggin'.. 'caiuse I still ain't seen Big Bro yet, there were times during my trek so far like I kept thinkin' I needed to check my facebook to see if he wrote me on there 'cause that's how we been talkin' while he was here & on AIM.. & actually, we had a skype conversation too! Then I realized that alota the Jungle heads @ the club were geeks & had iphones... so my Homie Rey let me borrow his & sure enough, he wrote me a note on there to text him when i got that note... hello 2day, I was sooo fuckin' giddy.. LoL.. but like Rey's phone wouldn't let me text his UK # on his phone... luckily Ms Haze let me text on hers & he texted back & big bro told me where he was... OK.. so I took a bus from Lower Haight to J-Town then to The TL '& another bus to go down O'farrel 'cause they were @ this english pub called ummm... something, can't remember... lol... as soon as I got there, he was out smokin' with some dude... DJ K-Dose from Aussie, Kurt.. then we went inside & I met his other friends.. this Dude s3rl (the 3 of them spun @ skills) & his GF, ummmm, Julie for now, & then this other hella tall dude like stood up to shake my hand... "Osby, this is Scott," Briskie introed us & we shook hands. Then I looked @ Scott's face & he has like this kinda long hair in a pony tail & I hella wondered "What the fuck man.. wait"!!! "Hey Scott!! Nice to meet ya dude!! Ummm... so like what's your last name, if you don't mind me asking?" I asked him 'cause I just had this huge feeling I knew what he was gonna say! "Oh. me last name's Brown," he said... & as soon as he said that... i started heeeeeeeeeeella laughing man.... Scott fuckin' Brown... I mean.. yeah... i was laughing so hard that I fell down on the ground 'cause I couldn't stop laughing.. I mean.. fuckin' scott brown man.. like one of the happy hardcore legends was just like casually kickin it... But no no no, I wasn't like all fanboy nervous or anything.. it's just I was listening to a scott brown choon on my ipod when i was like on bart, & it was just the whole irnoy of the situation just made me hella fuckni' bust up laughing my ass off.. I mean.. I told him eventually at some pint that lil story why i was LOLing so hard & shit... but yeah... It was just hella trippy too man 'cause I mean... I didn't expect to like get bombarded by a fuckin' happy hardcore DJ convention in the City that night... Briskie said that he was with some Homies & I thought he meant like fucikin' out mutual SF Bay area local Homies... so like it just took a while for everything to sink in that it was actually happening & my body was still kinda like feeling like it was still on the muni... After a few drinks, hella laughs, I relaxed & ok.. Hello 2day... eeeverything is fuckin' funny with like well.. 2 English guys & 3 Aussies... they can make anything funny, so conversations were never short of like hella lmao moments... well.. they wre all drunk & getting me to catch up... but yeah.. me & Scott like started having contests to see who had the best Briskie stories & stuff... then like Kurt K-Dose, well, I'll get to him in a bit... S3rl was kinda quiet, but man.. he had this bad ass color job on his hair... the top was blue with this red stripe in the middle & he had all these CooL rings on his ummm.. left hand... alota star rings :) So like Scott was in town 'cause he wanted to site see a lil before he went to Vegas, somehow he ended up getting in contact with big bro & hangin' out for the night.. but when it was like around 1:30, Scott, S3rl, & Julie for now went back to their hotel... Briskie & Kurt were stayin' @ the same place, so we all walked back there with a ummmm, loud pit stop at 7-11... lol.... Oh my goodness man... lol We got back to Briskie's room 'cause he told me I could chill there & wait for BART to open at 4AM then cut out.. until then, we were gonna finish the vodka in his room, so he don't gotta dump it all away before he leaves Wed Afternoon... "OK, I could have two drinks I guess & just be kinda swervin' when i'm on bart & bus," I thought after he poured me a sprite/ voodka... ummm yeah... that didn't happen!! I mean.. I drink when I do.. people don't think I do, but I do!! So like if it's a yummy sweet drink, of course I'm all over it!!! Ummmm... I guess I was diggin' all the soda vodka cocktails they wre makin' for me 'cause i kinda had more than 2! Anywaze, through out this whole rest of hotel mayhem, like there were hella trips to go outside to smoke with Kurt, 2 tourist girls from Seattle eventually party with us, i drink more & get heeeeeeeella wasted! LoL.. yeah man... I mean.. I have not been that mondo drunk in sooooooo long... it was well... more eventful than I totally originally planned man! Next thing i know, it's like 11AM & I'm waking up in Big Bro's bed, I look over & he's there! Hello 2day, I guess i didn't make the 4:17AM Pittsburg/ Antioch bart train... lol... ok.. my head was sooooooooooo fucki'n throbing, I couldn't really move it 'cause seriously, any movement gave me this mondo hardcore motion sickness... lol... but i was just soo confuzed! "Morning Osby", Briskie greeted me in a kinda soft but deep morning voice grumble. "Hey Big Bro! Dude, what the fuck happened to me man? How'd I end up in your bed man?" I asked back in the same tone his voice was. "You got pissed the fuck up mate! You were proper mashed Dude! You wasn't gonna leave all fucked up like that on them trains & buses!" he said. "Well, I best leave now then man." I said while I slowly tried to get up. "I need to get hooooooooome or else..." "Naw man, just fuckin' Relax Osby," he said as he put his hand on my shoulder & gentley pulled down so I was lying down again. "You probably feel as fucked up as I do man, you fuckin' light weight! Just fuckin' lie down & relax! Kristie's comiong here at 12, so hang back dude!" Well.. he was right! I could barely sit up in bed w/o my head feeling like it was gonna unscrew itself from my neck... so we just chilled in bed talking and like catching up with each other aobut everything! LoL.. it was hella funny, when the clock exactly hit 11:59, there was a knock on the door. Briskie made me answer it LoL & I was all wearing like my shirt & boxers. It was Kristie & she was all surprised to see me... I guess B didn't tell her I was there still... "Osby, what the fuck are you doing here?" she asked me while she hella started giggline. "I'm hung the fuck over & Big Bro was takin' are of me, makin' sure i didn't do anything stupid I guess!" i said. "Mmmmmhmmmm, ok! Then why's it smell like Red Bull & Sex in here then?" she asked in a funny sarcastic loud way while she was hella laughing, walking into the room. "Oh shut the fuck up Kristie!" B yelled back , hella laughing! Kristie jumped in bed & gave big bro a hug. Then I jumped in bed & hugged Kristie. We all just stayed in bed together like & just talked for like 1/2 an hour or something. B got ready while me & Kristie stayed in bed still talking... an hour later, after B had all shit packed & we did a final check to see if we left anything in the room, we were downstairs checcking out. When we got outside, we all gave each other goodbbye hugs.. Kristie had to get back to work & I hella had to get home. I hugged Briskie bye then started walkin' away then felt this hella hard tug on my back pack. "Oh no Osby, you're comin' with me to the airport Mate! You promised me lastnight since no one was driving me & you said you could!" he said. "I did?" I hella wondered outloud, hella confuzed! "I have no idea what the fuck you're talkin' about B!!!" "Yeh Osby, you did! Now help me get a cab!" he said as he grabbed my back pack again & lead me to the parked cabs. LoL.. yeah.. it was kinda trippy 'cause I mean.. this was the 1st time like I've extended my goodbye to big bro whenever he was in town... I actually made him call my Mom on his phone to tell her where I was so I wouldn't get yelled at for coming home 9 hours later than planned... LoL.. oh shit, yeah man, i just realized I make him call my Mom whenever he's in town 'cause My Mom Loves Him! LoL... He explained to her how he was takin' care of me 'cause I was drunk yada yada yada... so yeah, lol, funny shit! 20 minutes later, we were @ the airport & basically spent the next 3 hours talkin' to tourist, eating, smokin' cigs, talkin' to the flight attendants who were goin' on their flights... lol.. yeah, it was So Dope just spending more time with bog bro... but man.. fuckni' when I walked him to his gate & we had our goodbye hugs & final chats... it was all fuckin' bittersweet & shit man 'cause grrr... I Hella Love my Big Bro... & it was sad & I seriously had mondo wateroworks building up in my eyes... then I saw him off walking through security check!!! We actually talked about meetin up in Austin Texas next month 'cause my Homie Brian's throwing a big ass candy party & he's spinning... so we're gonna ask Brian to fly me out there too!!! LoL The public transportation journey home was easy, but looooooooong.. I ain't rode bart from South city in heeeeeella daze, but yeah... I kinda felt funky 'cause I was like hardcore doin' the dirty raver from yesterday travel... but yeah... YAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! LoL... I finally got home around 6PM & Hello 2day, i was still hungover! LOLOLMAO Good times!!! :) Peace=-> Just Me=-> Osby {8O) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150944-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 30 13:47:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83414 invoked by uid 1103); 30 May 2009 13:47:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83392 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 13:47:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243691248; bh=RyZLtCk6KEAy3FKyGh1JwfCpeOKidTm0Yxz/sdbsNSk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ogGH7ak3w0p2XbH472pSe6oKeS8En1s1eSZZ8wYe6EOB67rYTiKHi/tkReC55obqLh9FYxa1DwLo1IEf2/G/mU3LXFA5toT0ALDA3XG5ZBH8rZKE9U7LToNKTmHxb7US9/poILSCdfh2NT/Gm+JveYV5qDPSeNOGIp4ns2g63XQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2uz0vik7r7eFMXIkq/PdrY+heTNyjpwAHMRogJBMKP+iphk++Ky5RagdO8KKjq+glD9rsitjOI9PoJZFIKppcLxggh2LXNGjq2pgs3gZYGusPxzc2TmDYgnFeX/8BU5cCas9+2FneR/kGXQsr1AOFhHjH1+OHrihRXnTbb9KZiM=; Message-ID: <886123.70583.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vxIpsKAVM1l.Tf2Z9BkR_6zOOVc3GFXN1jrw9C.CQDCRjPN32fZK_AcBekoI10znCH4WXH17Obby7rHnlLhHQolGPkOSf2eLv.NsaK46.ERykzW.rBciSHJ6AYP8E02zdWoCJh9gvdJ_cGMfYKJs5Zmg67GR0UwIGLwe_8gspxbce1pZaLz5N3mna9TL6TmVrOl2TPTUIAeq9tbIoSZD2UJd1Xk3TJUXSsGRTVhw9Yf2tfTbsZoZT1rSyWxtf3vdLHHfV5US3PkppYEghSiWYzjqGNxMmygVA1fnM1xRqqVcvaK0vSz.UVtS8iSVupmJlU3Y X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 06:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] State Park Closings... Ok, like everyone else probably I am thinking this idea of "closing" state parks is really dumb. But then I thought, could this be the best thing to ever happen to the outdoor party scene in California? Discuss. Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150945-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 30 23:15:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86060 invoked by uid 1103); 30 May 2009 23:15:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86040 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 23:15:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:16:00 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0905301616t15d297fdv1257f10852c9de32@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: SFR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b845c5496f2046b2960be X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Anyone have deets on the Strategik party tonight? --0016363b845c5496f2046b2960be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I gave away my flyers and heard the original venue has been non-opped for the weekend, anyone know where it's moved to? --0016363b845c5496f2046b2960be-- From sfraves-return-150946-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 30 23:56:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30661 invoked by uid 1103); 30 May 2009 23:56:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30644 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 23:56:30 -0000 Message-ID: <4A21C7C4.6040306@defsf.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:56:52 -0700 From: sean ocean Organization: DEF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: djbabydaddy@djbabydaddy.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <2b7056399c5e4d64ae7056046f983622@dpmail28.doteasy.com> In-Reply-To: <2b7056399c5e4d64ae7056046f983622@dpmail28.doteasy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: new mix, caveman style y'all still throwing down tech-house live? Baby Daddy wrote: > http://bfamilyrecords.com/mixes/comments.php?nav=0&id=208 > > i finally got a round to mixing a lot of the baltimore stuff i've been collecting. with smidges of mashup, ghetto house and electro. ~enjoy~ > > PLUS...don't sleep on the bfamily trax section...lots of new ish from ThrillS n Grillz & Jon Schatz > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- ++++DEFsf.com "a west coast techno alliance"++++ Visit: http://www.defsf.com west coast techno articles, news, links, music & events ++++techno news & info: def-announce-subscribe@defsf.com ++++DEF radio info: radio-integrated-subsctibe@defsf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150947-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 30 23:57:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32178 invoked by uid 1103); 30 May 2009 23:57:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32162 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 23:57:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42a0b30f0905301616t15d297fdv1257f10852c9de32@mail.gmail.com> References: <42a0b30f0905301616t15d297fdv1257f10852c9de32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:58:11 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0905301658l715d4cdem8fa99c80b54580f8@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: SFR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163642729f29d531046b29f7b4 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: Anyone have deets on the Strategik party tonight? --00163642729f29d531046b29f7b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah. Guess I missed the cancellation email. Well, where's everyone else going? I'm already in SF for the day, a way to pass the time later this afternoon/evening at least would be nice... Guess I can go catch Hipp-E, Andrew, Eric, Syd (again, just caught him last night...) and the rest at paradise... On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Ray Wong wrote: > I gave away my flyers and heard the original venue has been non-opped for > the weekend, anyone know where it's moved to? > > --00163642729f29d531046b29f7b4-- From sfraves-return-150948-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 31 00:42:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72955 invoked by uid 1103); 31 May 2009 00:42:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72937 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 00:42:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243730559; bh=6CxgqjuXqy8HHEwrm7OdV5Ykqyqy+39diZh2MdMimVk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FB0RPI4xJRo++h2BciCUloSApm4B93p2SEXWdyfjgSGY7joe1eh9jyFscAuuYQ/lb5FW+Y4zyEfD4qcmcCgPRJcP+iUZju9jwmeynW11xGLUD9MiOIsmN75dAm7x6kia+HTir/HF91EBsdrk/9DXKiVtmu7W0U9ZI3ci8QJGOsI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TzihnDTaGW1O/JQAVR2k6tqQbExUm/hOJer91CURxLK+XWVqiR8U6HWeP4TlnM7P8w/DVSIfS+GzLJp8wpdVpoIFm34N8OluaEZyW9hvVoKuqAVXOI63iig2VdfovZ6YEaN7wTUXcdTod4ex2lh6NdcOQkHif1uvPX0zaR9sURw=; Message-ID: <601800.98605.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5Q4FnSQVM1lbqosAYBqs7WHsp6FU27XmpYZzNeVyNafkVJk9YtaiDW.sL8a7CxcL.6Cwxl6MQcChXnTX3TH7FWut91NFi9M4FwB6O6RqV9t9NEeTULG3FyQmM09Fe0zdj6xCC02CaP9Y_bYW4whOxi4QdcOrjbIqVrs3rO8kyHKh5TycApinQygzHZPq6j2T6MBf5MDQX9i_qKOl1i4QMY3UMjgxOeK0.Pw38Kc6tHIl6uuriGPqCSZVq8cKImsYIpZ6yetE_lR4L36RKwbV4cIVHpF8opdXIDCyCUy0tl2e_C4px4PT2gBt_SHqDjkgYjyrMAvm_Q-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:42:39 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] brasstax in GGP Mission accomplished! Bouncy house FTW! Etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150949-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 31 03:13:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91225 invoked by uid 1103); 31 May 2009 03:13:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91206 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 03:13:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <886123.70583.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <886123.70583.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:13:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: "J.C." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] State Park Closings... Yes, and quite possibly yes. Ben, have any comment? On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:47 AM, wrote: > > Ok, like everyone else probably I am thinking this idea of "closing" stat= e parks is really dumb. =A0But then I thought, could this be the best thing= to ever happen to the outdoor party scene in California? > > Discuss. > > Peter > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-150950-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 31 03:43:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12962 invoked by uid 1103); 31 May 2009 03:43:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12941 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 03:43:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <886123.70583.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <886123.70583.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:43:30 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0905302043y20f4cab8p7c9bdaf4277e2b73@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646c2e4fed881046b2d1cec X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] State Park Closings... --00163646c2e4fed881046b2d1cec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would depend if entry/booking fees end up pricing them out of our range for permitted events, and how hard it is for them to spot large groups doing renegades, no? On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:47 AM, wrote: > > Ok, like everyone else probably I am thinking this idea of "closing" state > parks is really dumb. But then I thought, could this be the best thing to > ever happen to the outdoor party scene in California? > > Discuss. > > Peter > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --00163646c2e4fed881046b2d1cec-- From sfraves-return-150951-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 31 03:52:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19270 invoked by uid 1103); 31 May 2009 03:52:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19250 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 03:52:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243741987; bh=EXSWUSmq2Y155f4cp74ucR/MDpqXzMQh+gWS/ZMFpgQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lwx+Su1gUUWGLb3e6d65bwDImF/mJo0BBDzo7obDhz64LuyMYpsqAfuo8XdNy/NXHyZZzW6qnMMz/v7d7s1ST0mHwyha1ilbJ3XTE7i1I9Hf21FtUGmGNZvHiA6l88lkWWFPRz9je3jTizByRbrU54N+6XB7INTKOJ3miKrica8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tw1Zy0M6oc8hws3RNhHB9IWVdEeB5KfodOmnd6qP3vDNJBUavvebvIPxj8G6Fo8gGUDmNWpX4Uah+b0usSfslUEj6h06lgelC3pJflCBUybggYEwbCmkcL11KXPoOniN0rXGkwnkd5mxmTkXuyq89IhyOV/6+XcXU4pjq1gKymU=; Message-ID: <351695.85837.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3WtG5KwVM1kfnOemFYSB3IkyFn07kLYLgM6I4bDItQxhKzxCRZtXotfEdkGrmNESD8dHdFvrCvn6FqldEwx4CsRNtXzELcRYZ38wEsJbh.7ZPvfVFI0xxgN9D9RiXJDRyTuveGAbhyPEf14k3gXuQ3wrh0Dw3nE3dNNpkWMZEu_yJsD8xnVtijdpTZ0C77KE9Bg154Ddhvkkd1ho3nF8Hwghv47ZKduy3yEJvsm5NCkQgeX3qdvlXsHPjBnjnARkK9fmfYZaF5j2qSYV4CzltSW195GqTxdCzJIjT3HpH4JH7TTDqJTyyH27lRk2raCc_XV3ldJm37XLz03IQV3BJmtX31K.JA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <886123.70583.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42a0b30f0905302043y20f4cab8p7c9bdaf4277e2b73@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:53:07 -0700 (PDT) From: dangrsmind@yahoo.com To: Ray Wong Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <42a0b30f0905302043y20f4cab8p7c9bdaf4277e2b73@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-319379820-1243741987=:85837" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] State Park Closings... --0-319379820-1243741987=:85837 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Who would do the spotting? The unemployed former rangers? I think you might be able to get away with some smaller events at least. I hadn't considered that the state might try to charge use fees even when they would provide no services or maintenance of the park. But you are right, they might try to do this. Peter Peter ________________________________ From: Ray Wong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:43:30 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] State Park Closings... would depend if entry/booking fees end up pricing them out of our range for permitted events, and how hard it is for them to spot large groups doing renegades, no? On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:47 AM, wrote: Ok, like everyone else probably I am thinking this idea of "closing" state parks is really dumb. But then I thought, could this be the best thing to ever happen to the outdoor party scene in California? Discuss. Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-319379820-1243741987=:85837-- From sfraves-return-150952-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 31 04:05:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27967 invoked by uid 1103); 31 May 2009 04:05:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27949 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 04:05:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <351695.85837.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <886123.70583.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42a0b30f0905302043y20f4cab8p7c9bdaf4277e2b73@mail.gmail.com> <351695.85837.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:05:52 -0700 Message-ID: <42a0b30f0905302105m2cca7f47j86c3da678dd9b767@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Wong To: dangrsmind@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016368324eaf55d59046b2d6c33 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] State Park Closings... --0016368324eaf55d59046b2d6c33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well my thinking is that they'd lay off most of them, but keep some rangers to do patrols (since they still need to watch for wildfires and such) over much larger areas. (The original use of "ranger" as a title was due to the long range distances covered) Even if this happens, it might well be that they could be observed to miss areas for days or weeks at a time in a predictable pattern, opening the door to opportunistic use, or it could mean that a given spot has a random chance of being caught on a given day. The use fees might be a way for the parks to stay open, by generating revenues that way, so they could keep some more parks open. The point is to reduce the spending, so if they make more money on fees, they don't have to cut as much. We might also see the most popular areas raise fees in an effort to save some of the others, depending on political pressure, though the "logical" economic process would be to try and make each park self-sustaining: raise fees to that needed to cover if the fees are paid; if people pay them, the park stays open, if they won't, that park gets closed, repeat process from the biggest money losers to the ones closest to making money as needed to handle the budget limits So depending, it could work out very well for the campers, or very badly. Rather like the effects of the economic downturn in general, the medium severity leaves the most room to have lots of unpleasant effects and few benefits. (In a larger context, rapid and total economic collapse means people simply start over with primitive barter economy and such, and take care of each other again, while a slower-slide means more people getting caught out while others try to hang onto their own comforts, so many more people are hurt before things start over) -R. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:53 PM, wrote: > Who would do the spotting? The unemployed former rangers? I think you > might be able to get away with some smaller events at least. > > I hadn't considered that the state might try to charge use fees even when > they would provide no services or maintenance of the park. But you are > right, they might try to do this. > > Peter > > Peter > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ray Wong > *To:* dangrsmind@yahoo.com > *Cc:* sfraves@hyperreal.org > *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:43:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: [sfraves] State Park Closings... > > would depend if entry/booking fees end up pricing them out of our range for > permitted events, and how hard it is for them to spot large groups doing > renegades, no? > > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:47 AM, wrote: > >> >> Ok, like everyone else probably I am thinking this idea of "closing" state >> parks is really dumb. But then I thought, could this be the best thing to >> ever happen to the outdoor party scene in California? >> >> Discuss. >> >> Peter >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > --0016368324eaf55d59046b2d6c33-- From sfraves-return-150953-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 31 13:59:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88475 invoked by uid 1103); 31 May 2009 13:59:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88449 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 13:59:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 06:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Estioko X-X-Sender: terry@taz3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20090531065150.P22471@taz3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Sat Review: What a trip! So, I'm at Alpha Beats @ Paradise Lounge last night, and I randomly (and separately) run into and get to hang out with Martin O'Brien from the Gathering and Vlad (Feel Good), Vlad was running something with the party loft across the street, I think. This is what's Martin's up to: http://mofilms.org Wow. Flashback. p.s. Alpha Beats (and Pulse....and Skills etd.POP last weekend, were fun too) Good seeing some of you there :-) -terry ------------------------------------------ terry estioko | terry@hyperreal.org SFRaves moderator | http://www.sfraves.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org