From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 11:19:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29649 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 11:19:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 29640 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 11:19:00 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (root@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 11:19:00 -0000 Received: from default (port48.plea.prodigy.net [204.237.182.48]) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA26522 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 05:17:06 -0500 Reply-To: "ma66ie tan6" From: "ma66ie tan6" To: Subject: happee kidz, two sluts, and a glamour girL. Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 03:11:57 -0000 Message-ID: <01bce673$ea17ff40$30b6edcc@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01BCE673.EA17FF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BCE673.EA17FF40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0024_01BCE673.EA17FF40" ------=_NextPart_001_0024_01BCE673.EA17FF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable happee kidz, two sluts and a 6lamour 6irL 6reetin6s all! happee kidz.... woo hoo... it was the first partee i've = been to in a6es. it was alri6ht. i had a 6ood time. danced my ass off = and like loOked like a slut of course. i 6ot to see many many familiar = faces. i missed you all tonz and stuffers. me and celina (the sluts) = and isis (the 6lamour 6irL) 6ot there waY early like around 9:45pm. we = min6led and like started dancin6 and all. whoever spun at around = 10-11pm fuqin6 rocked the house. that was some sicK tunes. i think it = was 6re6 sandler. dood, you the bomb. i 6ive you hu6e props bi6 boyee. = okee i 6otta say my herlOos now. spencer, it was waY nice seein6 you = a6ain. star, cricket, jeremy b, micron, macadio, hope, kei, terrac, ... = ya da ya da ya da, blah blah blah... and whomever i left out, your = smiles make me smile. phoenix and cyblade it was a pleasure, tell uncle = noah me and orson said hellO. orson, i am sorry i missed this partee = without you with me. the pOOn was definately missin6 from my tan6. it = was incomplete. one last thin6, but not least, jer, thanks for = EVERYTHIN6. i love you so much.... i am sorry i missed you for the = hundredth time. till we meet a6ain.... =20 much love=20 as always huggies kissies and piggies.... =20 ma6s =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0024_01BCE673.EA17FF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
happee kidz, = two sluts and=20 a 6lamour 6irL
6reetin6s all!  happee kidz....  woo hoo... it = was the=20 first partee i've been to in a6es.  it was = alri6ht.  i=20 had a 6ood time.  danced my ass off and like loOked like a slut of=20 course.   i 6ot to see many many familiar faces.  i = missed you=20 all tonz and stuffers.  me and celina (the sluts) and isis (the = 6lamour=20 6irL) 6ot there waY early like around 9:45pm.  we min6led and like = started=20 dancin6 and all.  whoever spun at around 10-11pm fuqin6  = rocked the=20 house.  that was some sicK tunes.  i think it was 6re6 = sandler. =20 dood, you the bomb.  i 6ive you hu6e props bi6 = boyee.   =20 okee i 6otta say my herlOos now.  spencer, it was waY nice seein6 = you=20 a6ain.  star, cricket, jeremy b, micron, macadio, hope, kei, = terrac, ... ya=20 da ya da ya da, blah blah blah... and whomever i left out, your smiles = make me=20 smile.  phoenix and cyblade it was a pleasure, tell uncle noah me = and orson=20 said hellO.  orson, i am sorry i missed this partee without you = with=20 me.  the pOOn was definately missin6 from my tan6.  it was=20 incomplete.   one last thin6, but not least, jer, thanks for=20 EVERYTHIN6.  i love you so much.... i am sorry i missed you for the = hundredth time.  till we meet a6ain....
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much love
as always huggies kissies and=20 piggies....
 
ma6s 

 

  
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BCE673.EA17FF40-- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 14:44:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22553 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 14:44:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 22544 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 14:44:09 -0000 Received: from linex1.linex.com (HELO relay.linex.net) (199.4.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 14:44:09 -0000 Received: from linex4.linex.com (linex4.linex.com [206.54.38.14]) by relay.linex.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA26200 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 06:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from linex2.linex.com by linex4.linex.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA26184; Sat, 1 Nov 97 06:43:27 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 06:43:01 -0800 (PST) From: aminita To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Last Night @ HTM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I haven't been to a party as good as that in over two years. i was so happy! I didn't ake any drugs and it's now 7 am and I thought the music wqas increduble I am loaded with free stuff met increduble people but somehow wdasn't able to find any of you guys! Well I thought all the dj's did the best job ever and i was very impressed by the setup, I think that FTT did an awsome job! I think a lot of other produciton companies learnt something tonight! Love and Hugs!!!!! Shira From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 15:05:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24527 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 15:05:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 24518 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 15:05:31 -0000 Received: from mx1.ten.net (HELO ten.net) (204.162.251.51) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 15:05:31 -0000 Received: from ten.net (NorCal56k198.NetWiz.Net [208.25.55.98]) by ten.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA02169 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:05:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345B447A.C16CA998@ten.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 07:02:19 -0800 From: Pengo Reply-To: Pengo@ten.net Organization: Pengo Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Halloween After-Party Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk There's an after party going on right now in San Mateo. Reply privately for directions. -=Pengo=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 15:32:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26604 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 15:32:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 26595 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 15:32:01 -0000 Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 15:32:01 -0000 Received: (from raheleh@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id KrB08575; Sat, 01 Nov 1997 10:30:55 EST To: shira@linex.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:30:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Last Night @ HTM Message-ID: <19971101.073016.4254.0.Raheleh@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-30 From: raheleh@juno.com (Rachel Najafi) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well its 7:24 right now and I've been home safe for a little while now showered and ready to go to sleep soon. I usually dont go to massives but I'll have to say going to FTT on Halloween was tons of fun. Tis the season to be RAVING!!! RACHEL On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 06:43:01 -0800 (PST) aminita writes: >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >I haven't been to a party as good as that in over two years. i was so >happy! >I didn't ake any drugs and it's now 7 am and I thought the music wqas >increduble I am loaded with free stuff met increduble people but >somehow >wdasn't able to find any of you guys! >Well I thought all the dj's did the best job ever and i was very >impressed >by the setup, I think that FTT did an awsome job! I think a lot of >other >produciton companies learnt something tonight! > > >Love and Hugs!!!!! > >Shira > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 17:15:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8852 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 17:15:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 8843 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 17:15:48 -0000 Received: from value.net (root@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 17:15:48 -0000 Received: from [207.33.94.166] (oak4-166.value.net [207.33.94.166]) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA04114 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:15:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:24:36 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: glittergirl@value.net (glittergirl@value.net) Subject: Hallowe'en and the beautiful day after Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk So, last night I wanted to go to Happy Kids, but by the time I got to F8 tix were sold out, so I took a nap and went to the Castro and their was some boy playing some pretty good (not great but it was beats and everyone was dancin') beats, then when that was over I walked toward Safeway to catch the N Judah and there was this big silver bus that was puttin' out very nice and kind house, then caught the bus going down instead of up after having tried to stand on the second to the last step into the bus and went down town to where H.K. was, this was around threeish and there still was a lot of folks on the street. So after haven been threatened by this guy for hitting him because I was dancing on that coffee shop on the corner of Van Ness and Market [he should definitely not go to a party;-)] I made my way to H.K. WE walked down tenth and heard a thump a bumpin' down the alleyway Natoma??? and happened upon a private party. I knew the guy that was standing at the door from work and he said I was cool so I got to go into this very nice artist share-space where there was energy feeding goa trance and I saw some kids I hadn't seen in months and danced my ass off. I got to boogey at three different parties (two in completely random places, any other nite the man would have been at Safeway in at least twenty minutes to "investigate") boogey to three different types os Music, and I thought I was not going to be able to dance with other people to music outside of my head. Sorry I missed the Happy Kids party, I am glad to hear that it went off for some. ANYWAY. It is now 10:22 and I am sober. Today there is supposed to be something going on at Point Molate, and I think that this may be one of the last days to enjoy nice weather there and I would like to go, but I do not have a way to get there, so if someone is headed out that a ways and has room for a litte girl with soon to be purple hair, send me a message. happy day, 'eeneR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 18:25:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18010 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 18:25:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 18001 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 18:25:06 -0000 Received: from f18.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.29) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 18:25:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 10975 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 1997 18:24:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19971101182436.10974.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.36 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 1997 10:24:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.36] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: my review of of the FTT massive Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 10:24:35 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk so i was lagged on getting to the party and didnt get in until 12:45.. so i missed the gathering at the turntables in the jungle room at 12:00.. although i did see some sfravers.. like George!!! and Maya and Harry... i met some other sfr's but i dont remeber who... i was pretty much sober the entireevening, well a little stoned, but that was fine with me.. i met some cool peoples.. and the music was good.. i didn't find the fourth room until like 4:00 ... but the Jungle room, bubble room, and the main stage one kept me going well. I danced all night long.. until all the music was dead around 7:15 .I saw my freind who goes to UCB who i went to high school with.. it was sooo dope.. and i ended up givin him a ride back to Berkeley which was all good... then i drove the hour long ride back to Davis :) and here i am at 10:22 writing this.. i ll write more in response to others peopels stuff as i remember it.. too bad i didnt get too meet all you cool dudes.. we need to have an sfr partay so we can put faces to these pen names... till then have fun sleep well, and um... its a really beautiful day, go outside and breath some fresh air :) Peace Philip disordr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 18:37:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19546 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 18:37:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 19536 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 18:37:20 -0000 Received: from f58.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.144) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 18:37:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 8127 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 1997 18:36:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19971101183652.8126.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.61.225 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 1997 10:36:52 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.212.61.225] From: "Mermaid D" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: What A Wonderful Night/Morning Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 10:36:52 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello Kids-- Well, I've posted once before about the Spiral Tribe party a couple of weeks ago, but I believe I failed to introduce myself, so here goes... I am Kim, also known as Mermaid, and I moved up here about two and a half months ago from San Diego to attend SFSU. I've been hanging out on the list for about the last month and a half at the advice of Uncle Noah, and I must say it was definitely good advice. Thanks Uncle Noah! You all seem so very wonderful, and on occasion some of you have actually caused me to laugh out loud in the middle of my residence hall computer lab. Made me blush, but it also made me happy!!! Unfortunately, I did not attend either of the parties you all had been talking about, so I obviously wasn't at either of the sfraves meeting spots, but I do hope to one day meet all or at least some of you. So what did I do last night? Well, my friends and I felt that, this being our first year in the city, we needed to have the ever talked about Castro Halloween experience. Regardless that we waited for the M for about an hour and a half, I had the most amazing time ever, and it was free(sort of)!!!! My good friend Megan and I ditched the boys we were with and decided to make this exotic Halloween night our night! I was dressed as a modern day Dorthy from the Wizard of OZ and she wore the most adorable little Eskimo get up, complete with stuffed seal. We first pushed our way up to the tables responsible for some great beats on the corner of Castro and Market. There we found Mike (F8) just completing his set and signing off, no more music, damn Muni! A rough start, but we didn't give up. Instead we weaved our way up and down that block and made more friends than I ever would have imagined. It was so amazing, I met people from Ireland, England, Spain, Italy, New York, Maine, Florida and luckily we also found some new friends that live here. The diversity that San Francisco attracts is so very special. I was so happy the entire night and into the morning that I could have burst. It seemed as if I was getting dose after dose of good vibes from every direction. Add music and we could have had a rave of our own, but I guess after 1am that's an issue you have to take up with SFPD. Now it's 10:35am and soon I will go to bed and have sweet dreams. I hope everyone else's experience this Halloween was as great as mine, because you sure deserve it, for making me laugh out loud. I also got to see the sun rise, which is something I missed more than I realized. For those of you who drudged along through this posting, thanks for allowing me to express myself, and hopefully I'll see you the next time around! Come swim with me, beneath the depths of the deep blue sea. ~~~Mermaid~~~ LuvTribe, SD From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 19:50:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 953 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 19:50:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 944 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 19:50:30 -0000 Received: from emout03.mx.aol.com (HELO emout03.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.94) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 19:50:30 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA15441 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:50:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:50:02 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971101144942_-358672531@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: After Party in People's Park Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey everyone.. 1-6 pm birthday party in People's park.. you know where it is so grab a blanket and let's all go be cracked out together in the warm sunshine =) HOpe everyone had a great Halloween. hugs, 'trice the tekno diva From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 20:03:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2723 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 20:03:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 2712 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 20:03:33 -0000 Received: from emout02.mx.aol.com (HELO emout02.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.93) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 20:03:33 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA07444 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:03:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:03:04 -0500 (EST) From: OnlyReject@aol.com Message-ID: <971101150259_-2144761925@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: KMFDM in Sac Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Iz anyone planning on going? They're playing @ the El Dorado Saloon.....all ages @ 8pm on Sunday. Itz gonna be so awesome! But I think i'd better leave my faerie wings home for this one!!! By the way, KMFDM iz a German industrial/techno band. They've really just done it all, and i'm just sooo excited! love and techno, ~ Anne From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 20:19:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5659 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 20:19:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 5635 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 20:19:07 -0000 Received: from emout09.mx.aol.com (HELO emout09.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.24) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 20:19:07 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA02409 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:18:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:18:38 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971101151359_-123227275@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: TriBaL MaSSiVe ReVue (long) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well well well. Halloween is over. Ok.. let's see. First, off the top of my head, thanx to Derek who basically drove us everywhere yesterday. (Hope yer feeling better =) Ok.. so we ( being Teresa and me) went to help set up the warehouse, because someone told us they needed more help. It sure looked like it. Nothing was set up and there were no decorations anywhere. Maybe 15 people in the whole warehouse. well.. we did some odd jobs. (Setting up tents and water booth, moving trees) Only later were we informed that the person that asked us to help out had no authority with FTT and that fours hours of work we did amounted to shit. SO unless we stayed until the doors opened, all the setting up we did was just a *kind gesture* on our part. =P Ok.. that's understandable, but we got serious attitude from the FTT higher ups. (i.e. WHo the fuck are you?? what are you doing in my warehouse??) What happened to being polite? Anyways,, ONto getting candied up. Sorry Byroni for wrecking your trip to the city. Hm... well.. Just as we knew would happen, the warehouse wasn't open on time. Ran into some old friends while jumpiing up in down in line on 1..2..3 cans of Red Bull. The entrance room was just turnstiles and a phat table with gift bags. OH!! No T-shirts, but records and videos and cds and mixtapes do just nicely. Onto the room up the ramp and to your left. A massive chill space. Huge white sheets billowing from the ceiling with lights twirling on them. A huge platform up front, with four 15 foot pilars in front of it. The pilars were filled with oil and water and had lights shining through them so it created a very psychedelic effect. Instead of mattresses or couches, they had tables and folding chairs with table cloths anc candles on the tables. The room was mostly breaks, and since my friends had a blanket to sit on, I tried to stay away from the dancing in that room. Past the chill room, was a vendor section with water and sno cones and tattoos and such. Now make a U-turn and follow me back past the entrance... The room that is usually completely open and way too huge was devided into four sections. The first was the jungle room, SFR!! We never did have a huge group hug, but I saw a lot of you and got small hugs. OH MAN!! Now I know why everyone's always talking about DJ RAP!! YAH LARA!! I'm going to be a junglist when I grow up. Past the jungle room was a row of porta-potties (This set-up had porta potties everywhere, you never had to run across the warehouse to find a bathroom) Behind the bathrooms was the main room. With A huge stage at the front, and live palm trees and tiki masks for decorations, plus four smaller stages covered in blacklights for people to dance on. A huge amount of live plants were used for decorations. The room furthest back in the warehouse (which few people knew about) Had more vines and trees and greek statues. The music was really housy and bouncy, but that room didn't do anything for me. NOw..I got some trEats along with everyone else, but for some reason mine seemed to have a little sumthin extra pyschedelic added in. When it hit me I just collapesed to the floor. I was feeling pretty lost, but everyone rushed at me and took such good care of me. Lara and Marq and Doreen and Kirby and Crisco and Teresa and Derek and everyone else. I got Gifts and stuffed animals. Nothing ever makes me feel so special as being with ravers and just know people care and don't want you to get hurt. Yah.. there's bullshit in the scene, but if you just don't become a part of it and find the real people it's wonderful. This has to be the absolute most incredible party I ever went to. Candy kids from everywhere from Florida to Colorado and not a bad vibe to be seen. Michael takin pictures for lotus, hugging three stuffed animals at once, getting necklaces. Giving stuff to people. It went by way too fast. I know a lot of people are taking a break from the scene right now, but I can't imagine ever leaving it. It's like Marq said, "we're gonna be 60 and still going at it." Tee hee.. now you all think I'm crazy. Ok, well I only got two hours of sleep, so i have a right to act silly. Hm.. for those of you I didn't meet, I hope to see you sometime soon. hugs n'stuff, 'trice the tekno diva <<<>>> From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 20:28:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6708 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 20:28:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 6699 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 20:28:18 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 20:28:18 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02529 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:37:41 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jsl-thz@v-site.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <345B447A.C16CA998@ten.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:33:44 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Megan Haggerty Subject: Stompy... today! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Just a reminder that Stompy is going on this afternnon, noon 'til 10 pm. DJ's... Jonene Marques Wyatt Tres Manos Mei-Lwun Laron Andy Caldwell Gabe Live preformeance by The Soultice If you all can pull your sleepy heads out of bed and make it down, you should! I'll be there. You won't be able to miss me. I'll be the one with sparks flying from under my dancing feet! Remember... 21+, 278 11th St. (VSF) Good day to all! Megan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 20:49:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8804 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 20:49:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 8795 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from hopf.dnai.com (140.174.162.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from sfoca-mweiden.pmi (dnai-207-181-210-88.dialup.dnai.com [207.181.210.88]) by hopf.dnai.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00758; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:48:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971101124636.00b2d470@disquiet.com> X-Sender: marc@disquiet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:46:36 -0800 To: "Zza" From: Marc Weidenbaum Subject: Re: Ninja Tune Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <199710310040.QAA16847@mailsun2.us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I saw a flyer announcing a DJ Food in-store performance at Diesel at 101 Post St in SF (415 982 7077) between 4 and 5 today (Saturday, 11/1). -mrc At 02:41 PM 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >>>0030-0500 ninja tune (kid koala vs anna, dj food, coldcut) >>>(Sunrise sessions) .... ;) > >My friend isn't getting into town till Sat and really wants to >see ninja tune... > >Does anyone know if they are playing anywhere this weekend?? > >Thanks > >zza > > --- Marc Weidenbaum mailto:marc@disquiet.com http://www.disquiet.com/ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 21:27:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16050 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 21:27:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 16039 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 21:27:02 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 21:27:02 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26884 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:25:16 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n5-145.napanet.net [157.22.193.145]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA00144 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:23:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971101132232.0068cee0@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 13:22:32 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi Butterfield Subject: KMFDM in S.F. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Iz anyone planning on going? They're playing @ the El Dorado Saloon.....all >ages @ 8pm on Sunday. >love and techno, > >~ Anne > > Well, I'm not going to that, but gonna go see them tonight at the Warfield...anyone going? .Flick Snot. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 23:02:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 697 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 23:02:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 685 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 23:02:25 -0000 Received: from mb04.mx.aol.com (HELO mb04.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 23:02:25 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mb04.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA09226 for SFRAVES@hyperreal.org; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:01:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:01:34 -0500 (EST) From: XGrRLsTrX@aol.com Message-ID: <971101180040_2058511883@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org Subject: hALLowEEn N!Te!!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ok, I was initially supposed to go to the Happy Kids party, but I got a phone call right when I was stepping out the door to haul ass over to the Haight. It was my friend who was smart and left early, calling to tell me that the tix were all sold out. Only other option, Tribal Massive. So I go, with mixed feelings about what to expect. After waiting in a mad squishy line, my friend and I get in at around 12:30 or so. DAMN. I had never seen that space that crowded EVER! I liked it. It was a nice change from the usual bald spots that that warehouse usually has plenty of during parties. I wasn't sure where all the sfravers were meeting, because my decision was spontaneous to go to this, and I couldn't find out the exact time and spot for meeting, so unfortunately, I couldn't find anyone. Patrice, I was looking for your cosmic angel self, but I couldn't find u! =( I'll call u and tell u my saga fer Halloween nite! I was blown away by the music at this party. I was really impressed by the lighting and the sound was so incredible. I got to see all the dj's I wanted to see. Josh Wink was intense, his set was CRAZY!!! I danced my ass off so hard! DJ Rap mad jungle, raised my nrg level to new heights (naturally). Coldcut just left my jaw hanging. DJ Dan tore it up, as ususal! I definitely don't regret going to this party, I feel like I got what I paid for, and the free water made me so happy! I was really impressed with this party, and in my opinion, it's the best one held at that space so far. Props to FTT for making this party work!!!! So...would anyone be so kind and provide a Happy Kids review? I'd like to know what I missed! I hope everyone had a happy and phun filled halloween, active or not. Till then... -=~*LaUrE@*~=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 01 23:46:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7805 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 23:46:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 7793 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 23:46:53 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 23:46:53 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SdD17690; Sat, 01 Nov 1997 18:46:03 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:56:57 -0800 Subject: where did the majik go? Message-ID: <19971101.101523.7598.2.drek1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 16-17,20-24 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk For sure, that has to be the last massive I'm ever going to. Spent an evening at HTM, sober for the most part, and had a chance to get a good look into how much it has changed in the past year or so. I remember when I would go to a massive, I would have such an antsy feeling of anticipation and it would be satisfied. I can't even have that feeling anymore because I know that I'll probably be let down. It's just that parties like Eminence and Love Affair were magical. The last three massives I've gone to (Juggernaut, Big Top, HTM) have been incredible dissapointments. It just seems like the massive scene has become so warped and superficial. It hella bugs. Everything I tried so hard to get away from (in terms of social stuff) when I was getting into the scene has now followed me here. Cliques, warped ideas that drugs are a right not a privilage, shitty vibe as a result. I mean fuck, Byron and I witnessed some asshole making a fool of himself trying to start a fight. I don't know. Maybe I've just gotten all that I can from this scene (massives; UG is a whole different world). In a scene that once had such incredible diversity, I'm now noticing an amazing amount of conformity. Hey, atleast thanks to the Teknodiva, I was able to steal hella records and mixtapes and stuff. I got more cd's from that place than I would buy in six months. Well, just frustrated with what it has become. dErEk From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 00:46:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20784 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 00:46:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 20775 invoked by uid 24); 2 Nov 1997 00:46:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 1643 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 03:52:26 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 03:52:26 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TFQ12910; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:19:16 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: halloween survival guide Message-ID: <19971031.161835.9143.2.foolish_fish1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-87 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:19:16 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Halloween Survival Guide * When it appears that you have killed the monster, never check to see if it's really dead. * If you find that your house is built upon or near a cemetery, was once a church used for black masses, had previous inhabitants who went mad or committed suicide or died in some horrible fashion, or had inhabitants who performed satanic practices in your house move away immediately. * Never read a book of demon summoning aloud, even as a joke. * Do not search the basement, especially if the power has gone out. * If your children speak to you in Latin or any other language which they should not know, or if they speak to you using a voice which is other than their own, shoot them immediately. It will save you a lot of grief in the long run. NOTE: It will probably take several rounds to kill them, so be prepared. * When you have the benefit of numbers, never pair off and go it alone. * As a general rule, don't solve puzzles that open portals to Hell. *Never stand in, on, above, below, beside, or anywhere near a grave, tomb, crypt, mausoleum, or other house of the dead. * If you're searching for something which caused a noise and find out that it's just the cat, leave the room immediately if you value your life. * If appliances start operating by themselves, move out. * Do not take *anything* from the dead. * If you find a town which looks deserted, it's probably for a reason. Take the hint and stay away. * Don't fool with recombinant DNA technology unless you're sure you know what you're doing. * If you're running from the monster, expect to trip or fall down at least twice, more if you are of the female persuasion. Also note that, despite the fact that you are running and the monster is merely shambling along, it's still moving fast enough to catch up with you. * If your companions suddenly begin to exhibit uncharacteristic behavior such as hissing, fascination for blood, glowing eyes, increasing hairiness, and so on, get away from them as fast as possible. * Stay away from certain geographical locations, some of which are listed here: Amityville, Elm Street, Transylvania, Nilbog (you're in trouble if you recognize this one), the Bermuda Triangle, or any small town in Maine. * If your car runs out of gas at night, do not go to the nearby deserted-looking house to phone for help. * Beware of strangers bearing tools such as chainsaws, staple guns, hedge trimmers, electric carving knives, combines, lawnmowers, butane torches, soldering irons, band saws, or any devices made from deceased companions. *dont open any email that is labeled halloween survival guide as it contains a virus that will erase your hard drive next time you start up your computer, From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 00:47:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21478 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 00:47:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 21469 invoked by uid 24); 2 Nov 1997 00:47:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 26565 invoked from network); 31 Oct 1997 17:01:14 -0000 Received: from photon.net (192.41.11.223) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 31 Oct 1997 17:01:14 -0000 Received: from [209.31.11.115] by photon.net; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:53:36 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: photon.net: Host ts005d07.cup-ca.concentric.net [209.31.11.115] claimed to be [209.31.11.115] X-Sender: james@pop.photon.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:56:05 -0800 To: Recipient List Suppressed: ;, From: James Subject: Nice idea Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I thought some of you might like this... James =) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: technolist@techno.ca Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:40:29 -0800 Subject: Re: (techno) Interactive X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11,13-15,17-18,20-28 From: groovinkim@juno.com (Kimberley R Dietemann) Sender: owner-technolist@shmooze.net Precedence: first-class Reply-To: technolist@techno.ca Kimberley R Dietemann wrote: "I had this idea a long time ago which I haven't yet put into action. I would stand at the door and take a picture of everyone (including promoters and djs, light crews, etc etc) with a Polaroid camera. I would then write their name on the back and throw it into a hat. As each new person came in, their picture would be thrown into the hat, and they would be handed a picture of someone else. Their job would be to find that person and then talk to them, and then help them find the person they were looking for, etc. Theoretically by the end of the night everyone would have at least spoken to each other once. The point was for everyone to meet...I somehow pictured two people meeting each other, then going and looking for the third, then a fourth, then everyone joining together somehow.... I think one thing that sucks about oversized parties is the detachment.... i don't mean necessarily that you have to know everyone, but just feeling like you can be open with people and talk to them is a good thing.... it would be cool if you hugged them too, but to make that a requirement wouldn't be fun =)" this idea has been brought to you by kim http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) if they give you ruled paper, write the other way! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 00:50:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22807 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 00:50:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 22798 invoked by uid 24); 2 Nov 1997 00:50:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 18869 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 18:30:56 -0000 Received: from www.internetv.com (root@204.177.169.226) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 18:30:56 -0000 Received: from jam.internetv.com (slip129-37-118-113.nc.us.ibm.net [129.37.118.113]) by www.internetv.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA23548; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:21:18 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971101013036.007554ec@internetv.com> X-Sender: robcamp@internetv.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 01:30:36 -0600 To: robcamp@internetv.com From: Rob Campanell Subject: Screenwriters wanted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk InterneTV is seeking writers for their next original production. "The Chemical Generation" is the story of a DJ and his girlfriend who take a trip to "DJ across America." Along the way they hook up with many of their friends who they've met on VRave and other rave culture chat rooms. "The Chemical Generation" is a six-episode series produced exclusively for the Internet. Each episode consists of five one minute videos. It will be available as video-on-demand using video streaming technology. InterneTV supports VDO, Vivo, and RealVideo. The ideal candidates must have an intimate understanding of rave and DJ culture. Screenwriting experience preferred, but will consider short story and essay. 2-3 positions are available. Pay rate is between $US50-$75. This is a work- at-home position. Scripts are developed collaboratively via email. Be part of the pioneering effort to develop the Internet broadcasting industry. The technology allows us to create and broadcast original programs about our rave culture for our rave culture. InterneTV provides techno and ambient streaming music videos-on-demand with VDO, Vivo, and RealVideo. InterneTV created "Austin," the first video-based soap opera produced exclusively for the Internet. "P.L.U.R" a documentary about the rave culture will debut on InterneTV in January 1998. It encompass many aspects of the culture, including interviews with Djs, Musicians, promoters, flyer collectors, graphic artists, video artists, lighting designers, web site creators, record store owners, and zine writers. Email resume and writing samples to: Rob Campanell robcamp@internetv.com http://www.internetv.com - Rob Campanell check out the first all video cybersoap - "Austin" http://www.internetv.com/austin/ love, lust, and slack deep in the heart of Texas From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 01:19:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26547 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 01:19:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 26537 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 01:19:23 -0000 Received: from ella.mills.edu (144.91.3.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 01:19:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 11876 invoked by uid 2699); 1 Nov 1997 17:18:34 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:18:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Priscilla M. Martinez" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: TM rEview - semi-long Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i liked it. i didn't luv it, but i did rEALLy like it. i hadn't been to a massive in awhile and am usually somewhat skeptical bout them, but i went with an amazing group of people and they helped make it worthwhile THE MUSIC: was the freakin' sh*t!! crystal method was groovin - some very nice rythms. josh wink blew my mind - i couldn't stop dancing and correct me if i am wrong, but didn't he end his set with some dnb? or was it someone else? but whoever it was i thought it was a very nice touch. dj dan toe it up as usual, i thought my bones would shatter from the bass. dj rap was amazing, i think i can finally say that i have made a connection with music we call jungle/dnb.jeno was cool, but i can't say much cause i wasn't there for much of his set. THE PEOPLE: so we had to park in butt-f*cking-egypt and then waited in line for eternity - let me digress for a second, i'm short (5'1'') and this kinda tall couple standing directly in front of me were practically having sex, i wasn't happy about this - so we get in, explore, got some free stuff. i am ususally very into meeting other people but the friends i was with i haven't seen in awhile so i focused on them and not so much into other people. i love friends:) ne-ways, the vibe was good overall. i can't compare it to the kind i feel in the UG scene, like Derek said, they are two different worlds and, at least for me, the vibe just can't be compared. i'm bummed i didn't get to see very many of you (cept for byroni, love the shirt:)) but i hope to soon! thE VITAMIN: i haven't taken this vitamin in awhile. DAMN!! i sometimes forget its intensity! it was vEry nicE:) i hope everyone had a WoNdERfuL time whatever you did and continue to have a GrEAt weekend. take care dears. con amor y paz priscilla From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 02:52:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17420 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 02:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 17411 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 02:52:50 -0000 Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 02:52:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19971102025240.3138.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [147.128.136.84] by send1b; Sat, 01 Nov 1997 18:52:40 PST Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: Hai La Subject: happy kids review To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org, adevgan@fore.com, mkingkeo@qntm.com, denisev@corp.sgi.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hi happy kids. (read or delete.) if there is ever a time to say "it's as hot as hell", one dance room of this party could fit the description for me. even just standing there i was sweating.. from the beginning, got to f8 for the directions. they gave me sticky dots and placed them on the tickets. very clever but i had come for the directions only and not the dots (which were mandatory for entrance) so i had to come back for another trip because my friends' tickets were not with me. hmmm.. it was a packed house. the music rocked throughout the night. lately, i normally pay more attention to the overall vibes and friends. saw faces from both past and recently but remember no names, a design flaw of my brain. saw the chinese girl that was frighten of me from spiral tribe. we talked - she wasn't afraid of me no more. the vibe for me was okay. saw danny who was cool to help me searching for my long lost mother. although we didn't find her, thanks danny. i thought the condense heat from the main dance room made for uncomforts, moving people in and out. had to get out of the chill room upstair because it was too crowded. felt like a canned tuna. too bad there was no one room big so that come the peak vibing hours more people could come and share their energy collectively in unison. there were four or five rooms total but small in size and far apart in distance. and did i tell you about the heat. during the drive back to san jose among the erie midst of fog after 4am, i once thougth to myself: the hot party was cool. just a thought. love&hugging, hai btw, i'm looking into volunteer a couple of days to the salvation army in santa clara area cooking, serving, interviewing needy families, etc. if you want to join me or go alone, i can give you more info. Sent by Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 03:05:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18562 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 03:05:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18553 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 03:05:00 -0000 Received: from f6.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.17) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 03:05:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 14418 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1997 03:04:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19971102030431.14417.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 1997 19:04:30 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Content Children (HK review-long) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 03:04:30 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Good morning everyone (it's really night time) Yesterday was a cool day. Some friends of mine couldn't figure out what to do after we decided not to go to happy kids, so we sat on our asses and looked really bored. Then I said to them "what is our prob? let's get off our duffs and go to HK anyways." My buddy Joel was all up for it but the other guys weren't (non-raving people) SO we got a ride hooked up to SF (thanks Steve!) and listened to Dee-Lite (funky, yes, I do believe it was rather funky :P) We arrive at F8 around ten and everything seemed cool, the People selling tix were making exchanges with money and all so I was happy, they didn't sell out...Yes they did, nevermind. I ended up being the horrible bitchy raver for Halloweird. We moped around, Joel was devistated as was everyone. I ended up talking to a couple of girls that I had never met before in my life and we were tralking about how everything sux, being pessimists and then for some reason they asked me how many tix did I need and I told her "Two, why?" and she said like " here you go darling" and the nice wonder lady gave me two whole tix for Hk with no interest and low APR financing-fuckin' free!!!!! I was soo ooo oo Happy. And I kept thinking wait till I tell Joel, he's gonna be so stoked. I forgot the girl's name, but if you are out there anywhere's...a nice huge kiss on the cheek to you!!!!!!!! So I went to tell Joel the good news and he couldn't believe it. He was happy again Yeah!(the last time we were on Haight we waited for over three hours to figure out what to do with the LAb) So Chadintheblue was so kind to drive us to the potty and when we got there, it was like a dream come true. Like Christopher Colombus saying that he was the first to discover America, except I probably didn't smell as bad as he did, and he was probably skinnier than me as well-anyways. The party was so beautifully decorated-glowing, shinning laughing things everywhere. The music was thumpin nicely, but I didn't get to hear Greg spin :( There was a room that split off to the left (main room) very blacklighty A+ everyone dancing and making the walls sweat- ew! but we were all happy. So joel and I walked back out to find a huge long hallway which was completely covered with foil and other cool stuf and to the right there was a nice, hot stuffy lil chill room, and further down the hall to the left was another hallway and another hot stuffy chil room with kids all makin' out n stuff (Boomerang-Fidgyfudgy-you kick ass man!!) and lets take a stroll down to door numero three, I think, I think there was another notso chill room- And then rumors-- "What? A climate controlled chill room, where? ahh upstairs...Well where the heck is upstairs? Tell me, Tell me now!!!! I want my golden EGG NOW!!-sorry dumb tangent. We went upstairs and the vibes were really thick in this room, everyone was very polite regardless of how many times they stepped on me. There wasn't any music on at first, but then there was so it was okay. Joel and myself bonded again and talked about life and being happy. There truly is nothing more satifying than having good intellectual talks with those that you love the most. I had a great time. GOt to see many old friends all happy and giddy-Thanks Mack-Audio see you thursdai. ----oh, and honorable mention to GRACE BOLTON, a cool chic that I went to Junior high with and I haven't seen her in years and who would of thought-she'a raver. Great seeing you again. And the evenning must come to stop and what a better way to do it , but to have a bunch of old bitchy loud, guys and ladies yelling and screaming at everyone to get out, You know, When I think about it I think they were hippies --inside joke-- :P Sorry I had to fart once more ppplllllll! Ah HAH, I found it, nothing in particular. I would also like to thank ms. Leann, for driving Joel and I to City Espresso. Thanx sooo much. It was great too see everybody, take care, breath, and have good intellectual talks with those friends that you would die for, and live.... bABy HueY P.S. I actually feel kinda paranoid, I feel like the whole world is going to be swallowed up by a huge S-L-I-N-K-Y, but not if us ravers unite and kill it with many psychadellic drugs ahhhhhhhhh!!!! God Save Richard Simmons! ) O O 0 o0 O O O0 o o 0 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 05:23:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1908 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 05:23:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 1898 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 05:23:21 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 05:23:21 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-1.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.1]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16490 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:23:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711020523.VAA16490@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: Subject: Re: where did the majik go? Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:22:53 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Derek has showed true awareness in this post.. I even (to go alittle bit further) I felt like everyone in the whole building was pretty much in the same clique. And I was NOT invited.. Well.. That's not entirely true though.. I felt sick all night.. Left a couple hours after arriving.. Much props to Wayne for cutting out on the fly with me, even when he did not have to. He must have been worried bout me walking back to my vehical alone.. Not because it's the middle of oakland, but because it's in the middle of a ravE. I for one, had no problem cutting out by myself.. But I would not of thrown a......... You know... But.. No body seems to wanna talk to me at the ravEs.. Just about me.. Do people change? People don't? =]:.. Anyways. Clubber for life I suppose.There is a new hip hop/house dance club opening up close to home.. In fremont? That's what I said.. It might be pretty phat though.. Right near the ABC theater. Ok.. I love you all.. Cause... I.. Well.. I am just a peacefull guy like that.. Can't you tell? Jeez lueeze.. As a matter of fact....The only thing in this world I truely hate is BACKGROUND NOISE! Damnit.. Damnit to hell... Oh.. Sorry.. "I guess you can say that. I am have one of the most critical .." Oh forget it.. Some guy said something like that on a Saturn commercial.. I... Damnit!! I need to start watching TV more often I guess... Time to take off.. You think I will sit here all night? You crazy.. . DJ DAN... Chuwee, chuwee, chuwee, boom boom boom boom.. And the rest is history.. Great way to start off yer set mang. Why he rolls his eyes when I acknowledge his exsistense is... Well.. Predictable in the ravE scene from the standing point of the weirdest (strage, mysterious, ect) ravEr to date! JEFF nSTUFF And if this made sense to you... You don't need a picture of me.. =]:.. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 05:39:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3483 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 05:39:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 3466 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 05:39:25 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 05:39:25 -0000 Received: from default (seoul-232.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.228.232]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20189 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:39:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711020539.VAA20189@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: Subject: FTTpTM review (sorta short) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:39:07 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Highligh of the evening.. Waiting in line.. I hear some girl say "if a guy is sexy enough, i will fnck him" We are truely in a different world. Us people of the nineteez.. Shore beats hearing a guy say "if a guy is sexy enough, i will fnck him" That's it... I am out of this HOT house.. Party on garth.. Jeff nStuff. ; ;The following lines are required for compatibility with other programs. ;Do not remove them (required >1024 bytes). ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxa ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxb ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxc ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxd ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxe ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxf ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxg ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxh ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxi ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxj ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxk ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxl ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxm ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxn ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxo ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxp ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxq ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxr ;xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxs From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 06:05:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6147 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 06:05:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 6134 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 06:05:54 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 06:05:54 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BXZ11260; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 01:05:34 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: more variety for a better society Message-ID: <19971101.220539.9743.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 01:05:34 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk As long as you cannot forgive the next man for being different you are still far from the path of wisdom. Chinese Proverb From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 06:43:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8766 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 06:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 8757 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 06:43:15 -0000 Received: from mrin38.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin38.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.148) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 06:43:15 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA28432 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:42:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:42:47 -0500 (EST) From: Amandust3@aol.com Message-ID: <971102014247_459032619@mrin38> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Hope everyone had a good time. Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Just wanted to say hi, Hope you all had a safe halloween. Your in my thoughts. Love, Amanda From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 08:28:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15359 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 08:28:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 15350 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 08:28:22 -0000 Received: from f5.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 08:28:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 3085 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1997 08:27:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19971102082754.3084.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.159.128 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 00:27:53 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.159.128] From: "maya katz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Stompy... today!- and ftt reviewish and welcome note,and invite? :-)~~~~~~ Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 00:27:53 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello all...!!! I am back, and sooooo happpppyyyy to be here! I felt DISconnected from this lovely little electronic world that i have come to rely upon for entertainment and friends and fun and well... you know... (how many times a day do YOU check YOUR email?)heheheh... = ) Well... I have been thinking... that it would be nice to have another gathering at my house sometime soon again... maybe after thanksgiving??? or right before? the second gathering of sfravers for a movie night, or just plain maybe the beginning of some kind of party we could do once a month maybe at other peoples houses- or we COULD go all the way and...have something of our own little UG?... what do all you wonderful kiddos think? n-E-one into it? write me a note, or give me a call, 415.565.0740 ******** Another topic all together... As some of you know, i promoted for FTT's TM and i went to HTM too... And it was my first massive here in the states, i was here when big top, electric highway, lifeforce, and all those other nightmarish massives took place this past end of summer/early fall, but didn't go cos i hadn't been interested in massives b4. Too many people, no vibe, or a very almost gangsterlike nrg, yuck porta potties.... you know... but last night/this morning was so much fun!!! I went with some friends, and saw a few people i knew from sfraves there (gate/bathrooms @ 12:30???) i chilled in the ultra lounge for most of the night, dj koala WAS the BOMB!!!!As was coldcut, food, and dj rap. As for the whole thing about this being a massive, it WAS huge, and there was a permit for 15,000 people- but there were MAYBE 8-10 thousand people there, it was very big, but i think that people find whatever they look for in places like that, i hung out with the friends i came with, and i met new people who i know i will see again, i will- at every party meet people who i didn't know before, i haven't lived here that long- but also stick to the group of friends i have- you might call it a clique, but i think that we all sort ourselves into some grouping of a sort eventually, and even if i am in one- i know that the people i hang out with are always meeting new people, and our circle of friends changes- growing and shrinking. So if you feel like people are too cliquey at massives, remember that it takes time for strong friendships to build up. i also partiEd with a friend from amsterdam...: )(i never realized how different different typEs are, when they come from different places- Excellent good friEnd from Amsterdam) I hope everybody stayed safe and happy this halloween, (my favorite holiday!!)only 364 days till the next one... ;)!! Oh yeah... i thought stompy was on sundays??? no? okay kiddos, talk to you soon... ...Passin' some Lovin'... ~~~~Maya~~~~ >From sfraves-owner-yareach8=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 1 12:28:28 1997 >Received: (qmail 6708 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Nov 1997 20:28:19 -0000 >Received: (qmail 6699 invoked from network); 1 Nov 1997 20:28:18 -0000 >Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Nov 1997 20:28:18 -0000 >Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) > by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02529 > for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:37:41 -0800 (PST) >X-Sender: jsl-thz@v-site.net >Message-Id: >In-Reply-To: <345B447A.C16CA998@ten.net> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:33:44 -0800 >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >From: Megan Haggerty >Subject: Stompy... today! >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >Just a reminder that Stompy is going on this afternnon, noon 'til 10 pm. >DJ's... >Jonene >Marques Wyatt >Tres Manos >Mei-Lwun >Laron >Andy Caldwell >Gabe >Live preformeance by The Soultice > >If you all can pull your sleepy heads out of bed and make it down, you >should! I'll be there. You won't be able to miss me. I'll be the one >with sparks flying from under my dancing feet! >Remember... 21+, 278 11th St. (VSF) >Good day to all! >Megan > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 09:11:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18175 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 09:11:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 18166 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 09:11:20 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 09:11:20 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-5.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.5]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id BAA06377 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:11:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345C43DF.2A7F@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 01:11:59 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: define rave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Try this when you are bored. send an email to the following address with the subject line of: define rave send to wsmith@wordsmith.org you will get a reply in about 5 secs or less...very funny. Note this service can be used to define any word by typing the command "define" followed by the word you want defined. the body of the email is ignored. i typed in define foolish fish and got a pretty funny reply also.You can do other cool stuff there too. Just send a bad command in the subject line and you will get an explanation of the service. Happy new year and to all a good night. ><{{{"> 11:11 <"}}}>< foolish fish think differently From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 17:27:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11116 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 17:27:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 11106 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 17:27:05 -0000 Received: from f80.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.186) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 17:27:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 2718 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1997 17:28:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19971102172816.2717.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:28:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Fwd: define rave Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 17:28:16 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >From wsmith@wordsmith.org Sun Nov 2 09:23:36 1997 >Received: (from wsmith@localhost) > by wordsmith.org (8.8.7/1.2) id MAA27859 > for poobear@hotmail.com; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:23:34 -0500 >Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:23:34 -0500 >From: Wordsmith >Message-Id: <199711021723.MAA27859@wordsmith.org> >To: poobear@hotmail.com >Subject: define rave > >3 definitions found > >Rave \Rave\, v. t. > To utter in madness or frenzy; to say wildly; as, to rave > nonsense. --Young. > >Rave \Rave\, n. [Prov. E. raves, or rathes, a frame laid on a > wagon, for carrying hay, etc.] > One of the upper side pieces of the frame of a wagon body or > a sleigh. > >Rave \Rave\, v. i. [imp. & p. p. Raved; p. pr. & vb. n. Raving.] > [F. r[^e]ver to rave, to be delirious, to dream; perhaps fr. > L. rabere to rave, rage, be mad or furious. Cf. Rage, > Reverie.] > 1. To wander in mind or intellect; to be delirious; to talk > or act irrationally; to be wild, furious, or raging, as a > madman. > > In our madness evermore we rave. --Chaucer. > > Have I not cause to rave and beat my breast? > --Addison. > > The mingled torrent of redcoats and tartans went > raving down the valley to the gorge of Kiliecrankie. > --Macaulay. > > 2. To rush wildly or furiously. --Spencer. > > 3. To talk with unreasonable enthusiasm or excessive passion > or excitement; -- followed by about, of, or on; as, he > raved about her beauty. > > The hallowed scene > Which others rave on, though they know it not. > --Byron. > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 18:15:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16104 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 18:15:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16095 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 18:15:24 -0000 Received: from x16.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.28) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 18:15:24 -0000 Received: (from straypuppy@juno.com) by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id NjJ24366; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 13:14:23 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:14:29 -0500 Subject: Can you hear me??? Message-ID: <19971102.081429.8470.0.straypuppy@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-6,8-9,11-12,14-17,21,24-30 From: straypuppy@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk -----begin transmission----- .........doughboy to earth......... can you hear me???? ......been stuck in the world called unemployment..... but have escaped and am now making moderate money. (Much better than no money at all...) .....barely escaped to clutches of those horrible monsters also known as "Collection Agencies". ....sorry for losing last transmission, but the Galactic monopoly known as "Pac Bell" shut off all my forms of communication. ......doughboy to earth.... i'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack...... Hi all you bright-eyed kiddies out there in raverland!!!! Man, I missed you all. I dunno if some of you remember, but a while back I was looking for that group photo in front of the "Family" sign from Megga-Buzz... well, it turns out that my fiance was one of the people taking pictures, and now I have one! I'm currently in the process of scanning and putting it on the net, so if anybody remembers being in that pic, I'll let ya'all know when it will be up! mad hugs! Jay (doughboy!) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 02 23:19:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6934 invoked by uid 6000); 2 Nov 1997 23:19:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 6925 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1997 23:19:01 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 2 Nov 1997 23:19:01 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-65.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.65]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA17079 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:18:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345D0A79.18FC@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:19:21 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: a tongue twister Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Are all AliEns on E how many times can you say it before your tongue is dancing? The more times you can say it, the more aliEn you are. ><{{{"> 11:11 <"}}}>< foolish fish think differently ps...If an alien landed and you were the first human contact, would you take it to a rave? Would you give it drugs? Would it be better to give it E or A? If it offered you drugs would you take them? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 00:58:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24516 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 00:58:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 24506 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 00:58:17 -0000 Received: from zulu.sierra.net (207.135.234.245) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 00:58:17 -0000 Received: from Pblondies.sierra.net (jobs-d158.sierra.net) by zulu.sierra.net with SMTP id AA19764 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:53:15 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971102165640.00734610@sierra.net> X-Sender: blondies@sierra.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 16:56:40 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blondies@sierra.net Subject: FTT massive review (short) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk well to start things off I had such a great time at this party! we arived at the wharehouse at about 8:15 waiting for the doors to open for ever!! I was so anxious to get inside and start dancing!! when they finally did open it was about 9:30 and I was so happy to be there. I was impressed with all the plants that we saw in the main room when the lights were still on, very nice! I spent most my night walking back and forth from the jungle room to the main room. The music was soooo amazing! the obvious highlights were Dj RAP wow...so much energy...Crystal Method..good music (did anyone see the crazy guy that was just going nuts during that set? I hope no one got hurt!)....DJ Dan I dont think i have danced that hard for such a long time, I could hardly keep up with those funky sounds!! and Josh Wink.. i was very impressed...after that i couldnt walk anymore cause my body was soo sore. I am still phisically trying to recuperate from friday i pulled soo many muscles! i love dancing the joy i feel during it is worth the pain i feel later on. WEll that party was great. I hope everyone had a good a time as i did!!! Sarah from Tahoe From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 01:50:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2171 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 01:50:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 2161 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 01:50:56 -0000 Received: from dogbert.ucdavis.edu (root@128.120.8.191) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 01:50:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (ez060343@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.7/UCD3.11.19) with SMTP id RAA06875; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:50:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:50:51 -0800 (PST) From: Kenneth Zanotto X-Sender: ez060343@dogbert.ucdavis.edu To: maya katz cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Stompy... today!- and ftt reviewish and welcome note,and invite? :-)~~~~~~ In-Reply-To: <19971102082754.3084.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i think our own little UG would be phat?!?!?! Ken From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 02:20:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7717 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 02:20:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 7706 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 02:20:36 -0000 Received: from f31.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 02:20:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 2210 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1997 02:21:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103022126.2209.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 18:21:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Fwd:Why weird people dance :) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 02:21:25 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This was posted on Txraves and thought it was neat...Enjoi >> According to psychologists, the drive to dance may have something to do >with biology. >> >> Psychologists synthesized the results of several studies during the past >few years, including research on monkeys showing that the sacculus, a >structure in the inner ear that is responsible for maintaining balance, is >especially sensitive to loud, rhythmic sounds. >> >> Studies on humans have shown that when the sacculus is stimulated by sounds >registering more than 90 decibels, it triggers nerves in the muscles along >the spinal column, which in turn cause those muscles to move. >> >> Psychologists say that the pulsating beat of loud dance music -- which >typically reaches 110 to 140 decibels -- is more than enough to trigger that >sequence of events, which the brain perceives as pleasurable. People dance, >psychologists theorize, to enhance pleasure. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 03:51:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25114 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 03:51:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 25105 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 03:51:14 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 03:51:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 24202 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 03:53:19 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 03:53:19 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961102194903.00757660@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 19:49:03 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: covery from HTM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The day had been a heeelllla downer. Work stress had been at a maximum. One man short at the office, and I drove errands all day in the worst traffic [Sacramento] this year [gearing up for holidays I guess]. The drive down was delayed till much later than we expected, leaving a girlfriend stranded at Vesuvio's for 3 hours. I got crammed into the back of my friend's CRX, with my neck all tweaked for the duration of our search for the "Oakland International Event Center." Well, since we were late, none of the phone #'s were in operation, and no one in Oakland knew what or where the friggin Oakland International EVENT Center was. Needless to say, my neck won't be the same for a while. Had to be the best line I have ever waited in. The vibe of a line is important. If the line is a bunch of aggravated parents with their kids, in the heat of oh... say, Disneyland [don't even have a desire to go because of those lines], you're sure to have a long, agonizing wait. Early on, we met this guy who we had about 1 1/2 degree's of separation from. He'd partied amazingly local with us, even knew a couple of friends in our circle, and had pickedup a flyer I did the art for [first one, bit of an inner thrill for me, like getting published or something]. Gave us some blowpops to kill time with. The line moved along rather fluidly. Near the front, the friskers were a bit stern, but they were just doing their jobs, eh? In the door around 11:45... was in the back of the Jungle room at 12, I'm sure. Guess I missed you guys. Someone said her and a girlfriend were going to be with wings and halos. Wasn't sure what to ask, so I just questioned, "SFraves?" This did not work. I am sure they thought I was clueless as to where I was, and what all these people were doing there. I chuckled, said "nevermind" with a smile, shrug and a wave of my hand. Next time, maybe we should have a "codeword" or something... heheh :) Didn't have a timepiece, but I don't think the schedule I had would have been a bit useful anyway. Split off from my two friends early on, meeting place set. Spent most of my time in the Jungle room when I wasn't exploring. Caught Crystal Method, and Coldcut [the beetle shakin' his booty was a crackup]. Started to become a rEal experience right as Dan started his set. Once again met up mysteriously with a close friend Rj, who I followed out into Dan's arena of sound [pretty good setup with those side speakers set out wide, although I never got all the way up front, the more rural areas easier to deal with the heat (worse, 'cause I'm sick), and elbows]. The lightshow was damn good, and the mass seemed happy. Stayed for Dan's set, backed out a bit towards the end to cool off, couldn't stop moving though, head still stuck in the arena. Josh Winks started up, and kept up the intensitE for me almost too high do anything but wiggle. I mangaged to stick with him up to the jungle beat he layed down towards the end. My stressful day and neck cramp started to take it's toll and got my back aching a bit, but I was able to ignore it while I was lost in the music. Met up with my friends easily enough after Josh Winks, and at that point decided to make our way to our final Saturday destinations. She had to work at 3, so my best friend and I took her home to Sac. Grabbed a few things, and headed back over to Dillon's beach, where his parents have a trailer. Spent a couple of hours in meditation, listening to the voice of the sea, and breathing in the soothing sea air. A lazy stroll in the afternoon through the dunes proved healing as well. Slept soundly until about 10 this morning. Casual drive back this afternoon... relaxing day thus far. Which leads me to here. Stopping by the office for a bit of computing to prepare me for Monday. Overall, great party. The rest of my weekend was an excellent end to my Friday, and a much needed, healing end to my last two weeks [which have been patchy]. peace, -SolR p.s. i didn't understand the meaning of SPACKLEBERRIES, can anyone clue me in? p.s. just sharing, hope this wasn't a bore, or a waste of your bandwidth. 1.54mbps... i don't know any better. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 04:15:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2122 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 04:15:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 2111 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 04:15:47 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 04:15:47 -0000 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) id <01IPJOSDYAFK9LWQ5P@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:15:32 PDT Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 20:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Doreen Subject: Sorry, another HTM post :-) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <01IPJOSE0FLE9LWQ5P@SONOMA.EDU> X-VMS-To: SMTP%"sfraves@hyperreal.org" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ok, after my allegeince to NEVER go to massives, i decided to be hyprocritical and go to the Halloween Tribal Massive and i'm really glad did. (i was marilyn monroe in case anyone saw me...) and felt like a dumbass when i was introduced to Vlad. (i wonder if he remembered...) i *knew* it was going to be a cool party because just waiting in line i met hella rad ppl (as if present company wasn't enuff *smewch* lara). i ran into a lot of friends and met a few sfravers too. two words: DJ RAP. enuff said. well, good to finally put a face with such names like byroni, derek, trice' the techno diva, george :) you are all rad ppl, and i think i'm forgetting to mention somebody or two, but you know how the short-term memory goes.. :P *on a side note, i DID see that guy going all crazy in the main room when crystal method was on. t-r-i-p-p-y stuff i tell ya.... a well-lived halloween. _doreen_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 05:57:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24576 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 05:57:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 24566 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 05:57:12 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 05:57:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103055159.12164.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [152.163.205.237] by web1; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 21:51:59 PST Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:51:59 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: A Happy NIght.... HK REVIEW To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey kids~ 1 st off i want to apologize if you get this twice.... I got to HK's @ 7;30 or so.... the vibe had already stARted... it was great... as soon as i saw Marty and gave him a hug... i knew i was @ the right place... i'm happy every one @ HTM had fun... but my heart told me i was in the right place... i don't know if that maked sense... but thats how i felt.. when tha party started i was working... the gate i hadnt realized how many people showed up till my shift was over... it was great to get inside... and see tha kids havin a blast... I saw lotsa kid... just jer...ma66ie...matt scwartz...yay phoenix we made it... and the night was GRReat... mars vs myster-e... damn i danced hard... ufo & sage tag team....oh my God... sick drum n' bass... well i'll be at viberations & wonder in two weeks... love jeremy From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 07:16:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5541 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 07:16:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 5521 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 07:16:40 -0000 Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.119.93) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 07:16:40 -0000 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.119.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id CAA29339; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 02:16:36 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from [209.31.12.51] (ts012d15.cup-ca.concentric.net [209.31.12.51]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.8.7) id CAA11280; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 02:16:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:25:19 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: shimmer Subject: Re: Science Lurkers Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk All you science lurkers i've got a proposition. I'm an artist, but I'm starting to use physics and other science in my work. anyone out there qualified to tutor me on light and time-space? the mechanics of perception (probably more neuroscience here)? I'm also interested in sound... psycho-acoustics, maybe something on the differences between the propogation of light and sound? Either in exchange for tutoring in any number of interesting things, or if you're a unrepentant capitalist or a starving grad student, then just plain old cash. sm ...nudity brings back light to the There is not one among us in whom intimacy of that first house of a devil does not dwell. At some time flesh. It is always nocturnal on some point, that devil masters for a certain gaze- which wishes each of us. It is not having been in for clothing in order to see the dark house, but having left it that it cannot see everything? that counts. - Luce Irigaray - Theodore Roosevelt From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 07:37:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9406 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 07:37:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 9397 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 07:37:48 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 07:37:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA15006 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:35:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:35:55 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Halloween Tribal Massive (yes, another!) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Funky Tekno Tribe has once again blew my mind. After seeing Juggernaut and Lifeforce happen @ the Baldwin Center, I was going "hmm" when I heard Halloween Tribal Massve would be there. I just hate seeing a wearhouse being HALF used or 2/3 used, with "dark scary corners" all over the place. BUT DAMN G, FUNKY TEKNO TRIBE KNOWS WHATS UP!! :) 2nd year in a row.. i was scared that i'd be disappointed because i hyped HTM up so bad after last year's success, but this year topped last like NO OTHER! FIRST OF ALL: i went for DJ Rap, i saw DJ Rap, just about shit my pants, especially when she dropped SHARE THE FALL (which i want on vinyl). very very serious about her jungle, broke a phatty smile here and there. that woman also gets MAD RESPEKT from me for all the people crowdin her space. for droppin phat wicked beats. for comin out again and showing us what's UP out there. and damn why can't we get jungle dj's from the UK more often? i like their STYLE! backspins and such are just too fun, and rewinds make us all go nutty. and although MC ? didn't go on until near the end of her set, he was wicked too! I first saw him @ a party in AZ, he seemed to be in a better mood for the SF crowd... he was bouncin around giving us stickers and letting people hug him and give him props but still looking like a (NICE) badass muthafucka and busting a rhyme here n there. really interacting, PROPS AND COME BACK, BRUTHA!! :) I walked into the jungle room and it immediately blew my mind, U.F.O. was up when i walked in, and *SURPRISE* for the FIRST TIME IN WHAT SEEMS LIKE FOREVER.... the jungle room's sound system COULD handle the bass.. AND!!! the sound didn't bounce off the walls and sound distorted, it was NIICE... ALSO! the jungle room FOR THE FIRST TIME IN WHAT SEEMS LIKE FOREVER.... was NOT the darkest/ugliest decorated room in the space! for some reasons it seems to me (biast bitch that i am) massive promoters have this idea that us junglists don't mind shitty systems and prefer really dark corners. but hey, once in awhile decent light is nice, and yanno it was just really fuckin DOPE. i'm once again in awe. FTT gives jungle the props it deserves. why can't all massives out here have a dopeass jungle room like that? i did notice a considerably LARGER number of nuttahs in the jungle room compared to last year.. it's growing, oh massive promoters, so damnit, BRING OUT HYPE AND ZINC!!! yaa :) and Fearless.. yup.. maybe i'll just move to london or something instead.. OK anyway.. the decorations were fabulous -- the room behind the main room (quite a few people didn't discover this room for awhile) had REAL PLANTS and statues in it. lights were bomb. people were all smiling in *my* direction, i'm sorry that some of you were witnessing some harshness and whatnot, i guess i was blissfully unaware of the negativity. i was lucky, i suppose. right when we got in line we met a bunch of happy smiling faces from Colorado (if any of u are out there hallo!!) and shoved ourselves straight into the jungle room, then wandered our ways into wonderful SFR'ers such as Patrice (hunny i'm glad u are ok!! u sweet angel), byroni, derek, ryan, sarah in tahoe, of course my girls molly doreen and yuko (u guys make me miss SSU like no otha) and Vertigo of course :)~ i missed a bunch of jungle coz i sat with some of my girls and a kid from CO during SOMEONE IMPORTANTS SET.. oh yea josh wink or something ;) haha. anyway, the party was so great i wish it were a 2-nighter. with the jungle that was going on i could probably go forever. Funky Tekno Tribe had a one night stand with me and i want s'more! :) i'm ready for next year, bring it on baby! oh yea and... props for having free water (selling bottled water for $1). i thought it was like a couple years ago all over again or something. AND! all you guys who were shoving up against the row of kids watching DJ Rap's set, thanks for letting me be up front without giving me shit, if any of u were there, you're the BOMB (usually i get pushed out of the way!) only things that were missing were amanda's smiling face and shakin booty. and i'm glad happy kids went off, from what i hear you kids were having just too much damn fun! :) sounds like halloween kicked our asses, both in the massive AND UG scene. xo, peace, and get some rest ... lara -- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 07:42:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10571 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 07:42:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 10562 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 07:42:30 -0000 Received: from f17.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.28) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 07:42:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 945 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1997 07:42:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103074201.944.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.28 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 23:42:00 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.28] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, shimmer@concentric.net Subject: Re: Science Lurkers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 23:42:00 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i have good amount of background knowledge in perception.. the biology of how we see.... the neurochemisrty involoved in it.. id be glad to explain it to ya.. i love that shit peace Philip disordr >All you science lurkers i've got a proposition. I'm an artist, but I'm >starting to use physics and other science in my work. anyone out there >qualified to tutor me on light and time-space? the mechanics of perception >(probably more neuroscience here)? I'm also interested in sound... >psycho-acoustics, maybe something on the differences between the >propogation of light and sound? Either in exchange for tutoring in any >number of interesting things, or if you're a unrepentant capitalist or a >starving grad student, then just plain old cash. > >sm > > > > >...nudity brings back light to the There is not one among us in whom >intimacy of that first house of a devil does not dwell. At some time >flesh. It is always nocturnal on some point, that devil masters >for a certain gaze- which wishes each of us. It is not having been in >for clothing in order to see the dark house, but having left it >that it cannot see everything? that counts. >- Luce Irigaray - Theodore Roosevelt > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 08:09:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14774 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 08:09:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 14765 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 08:09:11 -0000 Received: from mrin46.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin46.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.156) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 08:09:11 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA12405 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:08:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:08:42 -0500 (EST) From: DjMarq@aol.com Message-ID: <971103030839_1112933848@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: tribal massive Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I have to say that I came really close to not going to tribal massive because of, vvell, you knovv MASSIVE, but i'm really glad that I vvent. Most of the night I hung out vvith patrice and vve had a pretty goood time. It vvas sooo great seeing her again ( I LOVE YOU TRICE!! Thanks for the boa, and DONT vvorry about the pacifier/beads! ) I got to see Byroni again, and got to meet a lot of the SFR family. All of you ROCK!! This is probably one of the best massives i've been to since LOVE A-FAIR. Props to FFT!! ~MARQ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 08:31:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17606 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 08:31:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 17595 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 08:31:46 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 08:31:46 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id AAA16513 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [169.233.12.105] by cats-po-1 (8.6.13/4.8) id AAA27319; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:31:40 -0800 X-Sender: ptrrabbt@cats-po-1.ucsc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:31:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: PeterRabbit Subject: that hiphop dj at 1:00? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk whoa- i was so skeptical about tribalMassive but i had an amazing time. my big question is this: did anyone see that hiphop DJ on around 1:10 in that downbeat-trip-hip-hop-funky-chill(?) room? they were showing him at the tables on the video screen and he was friggin amazing. he cold started his first record- and 4 beats later brought in the second- backed up the first, and threw that back in 4 beats later..continued this with added MAD scratching for quite a while- going nacknforth on the same record, he continued this kind of style thrown in everywhere and it was soo tight, ANYONE KNOW WHO THIS MAN WAS BECAUSE HE ROCKED MY WORLD. he inspired me to spin 2 of the same records for 3 hours in my room on sat. night (felt like 30 min cause I was so cracked out and in a mixing trance) anyways- I gotta get a tape... oh hey...hi byroni:) i met you w/ bret in the morning... and then there's the BLizo- tell cricket and everyone hi for me... oh and Hi Karma2000! hope to se you all soon again:) -=PeterRabbit=- NoEvol(loveOn) prod.,LuvTribe, RTD From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 08:49:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20547 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 08:49:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 20532 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 08:49:52 -0000 Received: from mrin44.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin44.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.154) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 08:49:52 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA00355 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:49:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:49:23 -0500 (EST) From: DjMarq@aol.com Message-ID: <971103034922_1736301540@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ????????? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I met some girl in the jungle room at 12:00 vvhile I vvas vvith patrice, and I feel so bad novv cause I dont remember her name!! she vvas dressed as marilyn monroe. It started vvith a D, but thats all I remember. I feel sooooo bad. Please let me knovv. ~MARQ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 08:59:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23099 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 08:59:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 23090 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 08:59:37 -0000 Received: from f55.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.141) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 08:59:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 12714 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1997 08:59:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103085908.12713.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.159.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 00:59:07 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.159.130] From: "maya katz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ptrrabbt@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Re: that hiphop dj at 1:00? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 00:59:07 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Damn!!! he was soooo good!!! i think it must have been koala- i was in there too, and going off to his beats, everything- he was kinda shorter, and with a dark complexion? - I thought he was the best one there that night!! Glad to see that someone else liked him too. : ) Maya From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 09:10:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25176 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 09:10:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 25167 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 09:10:18 -0000 Received: from f19.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 09:10:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 8706 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1997 09:09:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103090949.8705.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.28 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 01:09:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.28] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ptrrabbt@cats.ucsc.edu, yareach8@hotmail.com Subject: Re: that hiphop dj at 1:00? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 01:09:48 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk there was another hip-hop dj then went off from like 6:00- the end.. in the bubbles room... he played some good ol hip-hop.. but the sound kept gettting fucked up... its dope that they play hip-hop at some of these parties.. ok.. peace Philip disordr > >Damn!!! he was soooo good!!! i think it must have been koala- i was in >there too, and going off to his beats, everything- he was kinda shorter, >and with a dark complexion? - I thought he was the best one there that >night!! Glad to see that someone else liked him too. : ) > >Maya > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 09:21:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26810 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 09:21:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 26801 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 09:21:57 -0000 Received: from f4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 09:21:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 26450 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1997 09:21:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103092127.26449.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.28 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 01:21:26 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.28] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: some qualms with HTM Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 01:21:26 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Now dont get me wrong, I had a blast at HTM, but there were some things that I didn't like about it that i feel should be voiced. 1.they had like 3 security guards searching at the door and 10 sitting around doing nothing... maybe they coulda helped get the line movin faster... but it wasnt THAT bad 2. Now i like big huge warehouses, but i dont like it when theres ONE big warehouse thats split up with big blankets, cause the music bleeds in together and you dont know where the fuck all the rooms are.. I dont know if any of you were in LA over the summer but a massive went on called willy wonka.. they had 5 rooms in 5 diff warehouses.. now THAT was a dope massive. 3. the Sound in the main room and the one behind it were pretty good but i thought the sound could have been better in the jungle room and the bubble room.. im used to BIG HUGE speakers stacked way high, not these dinky little boom boom's :) 4. the floors were completely filthy. i could'nt breakdance with out my hands getting blacked by the oily gunk all over the floors.. 5. the vibe was good in all the rooms, but when i went outside for a breather, i was frightened...everyone outside seemed to ba a gangster that wasnt happy AT ALL.... they had mean looks on their faces and just didnt seem comfortable... serves em right for cutting in line.. 6. how come i didnt get any free water? 7. parking.. but thats no biggy.. well thats it... just thought i would say something that i felt needed to be said.. But overall i had a good time, even though i was sober. the lives plants added a nice touch, lighting was good in the rooms that had it.. and the music was lively.. oh. too bad i didnt get to meet more of you dope ass sfravers.. next time for sure we have to all get together and party peace Philip disordr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 10:28:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15370 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 10:28:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15361 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 10:28:53 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 10:28:53 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.197.43]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA270 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 02:28:19 -0800 Reply-To: "ULTRA" From: ultra@funkytekno.com (ULTRA) To: "SFRAVES" Subject: ULTRA Presents JOSH WINK, KING BRITT, DJ SNEAK and Reinforced Records (4 Hero) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 02:22:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-ID: <19971103102818682.AAA270@mohan> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Monday Nov 4th ULTRA Presents JOsh Wink, King Britt, DJ Sneak and special guests Club V/SF 21+ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 11:05:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20907 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 11:05:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 20891 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 11:05:08 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 11:05:08 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.197.45]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA120 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:04:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Funky Tekno Tribe" From: "Funky Tekno Tribe Sound System" To: "SFRAVES" Subject: Thanks from Funky Tekno Tribe Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 02:58:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-ID: <19971103110434771.AAA120@mohan> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Just wanted to to express our our gratitude and thanks to everyone who made this year's Halloween Tribal Massive possible, especially to all those who turned up. We're having an after-party at ULTRA Monday night with Josh, King Britt, Sneak and the boyz from Reinforced... and another show at Bimbo's Tuesday with Hooverphonics... Keep the vibe going!! Funky Tekno Tribe Jerry Slawdeski Kevon Banks Hector Cardenas Mohan Veloo From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 11:09:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21616 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 11:09:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 21606 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 11:09:15 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 11:09:15 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.197.45]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA222; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:08:42 -0800 Reply-To: "Mohan Veloo" From: "Mohan Veloo" To: "tom dawson" Cc: "SFRAVES" Subject: Re: raves Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:02:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-ID: <19971103110841356.AAA222@mohan> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Our next big show will be the ENIT festival... with Janes Addiction. The party has been sold out but we're opening the doors at midnite after Jane's and before Goldie's set and the party will go on till 6a... Mohan FTT -----Original Message----- From: tom dawson To: info@funkytekno.com Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 1:27 AM Subject: raves When's the next rave after Halloween Tribal massive. I recently attended the last Event and I, Enjoyed it!!!!!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 15:54:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6520 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 15:54:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 6509 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 15:54:10 -0000 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com (larryc@192.100.81.133) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 15:54:10 -0000 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id HAA03787 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 07:54:09 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Ching Message-Id: <199711031554.HAA03787@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: "cracked-out" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 07:54:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi SFRavers - OK, time for the old guy to finally ask another vocabulary question - what do people mean when they use the phrase "cracked-out" ? Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 16:12:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12346 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 16:12:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 12336 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 16:12:29 -0000 Received: from f55.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.141) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 16:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 27784 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1997 16:12:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103161202.27783.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 157.22.229.127 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 08:12:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [157.22.229.127] From: "peter sandifer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, drek1@juno.com Subject: Re: where did all the majik go? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 08:12:02 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk dErEk said: Hey, atleast thanks to the Teknodiva, I was able to steal hella records and mixtapes and stuff. I got more cd's from that place than I would buy in six months. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: what exactly does this mean? b o o m e fidget r a n g H ERE let me put it between your ears ARETH EFACTSYO http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr UREQUESTED ._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._. "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 16:31:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19004 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 16:31:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 18995 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 16:31:21 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 16:31:21 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xSPPB-0007kR-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:31:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:26:54 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: ULTRA Presents JOSH WINK, KING BRITT, DJ SNEAK and Reinforced Records (4 Hero) In-Reply-To: <19971103102818682.AAA270@mohan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I so want to go to this event.. anyone interested in going?? On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, ULTRA wrote: > Monday Nov 4th > ULTRA Presents > JOsh Wink, King Britt, DJ Sneak and special guests > > Club V/SF > 21+ > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 16:32:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19589 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 16:32:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 19579 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 16:32:18 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 16:32:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103162652.2506.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web1; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 08:26:52 PST Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:26:52 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: happy kids review,Nikita,Product,1028 To: Hai La , SFRaves@hyperreal.org, adevgan@fore.com, mkingkeo@qntm.com, denisev@corp.sgi.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I will second that. > if there is ever a time to say "it's as hot as hell", one dance room > of this party could fit the description for me. even just standing > there i was sweating.. > REVIEW: Met with Liz (emdash) and her friend at F8 around 12:00am, Liz was the sweetest, she went way out of her way to set me and my lady up (Thank you *smooch*)!!!Went right to Happy Kidz and I'm sorry but the 20 min. wait in line for the restroom then not being able to move in either direction, well we bolted. The music sounded good but I couldn't breathe. So we were pondering what to do and figured Nikita would be our closest and probably best bet. Got in about 1:30 and the place was packed. We went upstairs and it wasn't so crowded with deep ass techno in the back room and good breakbeat,trip-hop in the VIP. The vibe was supprisingly good, lots of friendly people and smiles. Wandered around, the music was so good in every room we couldn't really decide were to park it and get our groove on. Managed to go downstairs and here Dave ? from England ripping the decks. Then about 3:45 Simon came on. He started out with all three decks and just tore shit up. The light show at 1015 is the best in the city period - there is none higher!!! >From there we went to Product where Norman and Sherif were tag-teaming in the VIP room, Norm has been spinning in the city for over 10 years and he was doing tricks I have never seen, great fuckin' music and free after 4:30. About 6:30 we shot over to 1028 Geary for a small after party (20 or so heads) I sat down at the bar and who comes in next to me but Simon, plops his butt down and introduces himself - great guy just really down to earth and cool.I told him how much I enjoyed his set and he was very humble and just rapped with me about music n' stuff. Great weekend, thanks again Liz 8) what happend to you after 1015??? Layne From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 16:32:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20311 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 16:32:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 20137 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 16:32:37 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 16:32:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103162726.2788.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web1; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 08:27:26 PST Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:27:26 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: ULTRA Presents JOSH WINK, KING BRITT, DJ SNEAK and Reinforced Records (4 Hero) To: *byroni* , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have the line-up for tonight??? Layne ---*byroni* wrote: > > > I so want to go to this event.. anyone interested in going?? > > On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, ULTRA wrote: > > > Monday Nov 4th > > ULTRA Presents > > JOsh Wink, King Britt, DJ Sneak and special guests > > > > Club V/SF > > 21+ > > > > > > > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 16:36:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22542 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 16:36:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 22533 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 16:36:37 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 16:36:37 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xSPUL-000059-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:36:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:32:13 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Larry Ching cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: "cracked-out" In-Reply-To: <199711031554.HAA03787@netcom20.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk :) *BIG SMILE* Cracked out is the state you're in after partying for the last 12 hours. You're basically *SPENT*. :) You're spaced out, tired, have little energy (*Sometimes* you might have a lot left), your can't concentrate too hard and are basically on a different wave length until you sleep for a good 10 hours. WHen I think of the words "cracked out" I picture myself staring into a cup of orange juice at Mc Donalds... wondering.... spacing out.. thinking of a distant mountain peak or river that is gorgeous.. and then fading back into the present as a bum asks me for change... and I'm just like.. "Whaaaaaht?"... and smile.... and don't care that my hair looks like a troll and that my clothes are dirty... because I don't care what anyone thinks.. especially now... hehe.. Byroni ps. Permacrackt On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Larry Ching wrote: > Hi SFRavers - > > OK, time for the old guy to finally ask another vocabulary question - > what do people mean when they use the phrase "cracked-out" ? > > Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 17:23:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10102 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 17:23:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 10093 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 17:23:44 -0000 Received: from puertopollo.lucasarts.com (firewall-user@204.71.70.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 17:23:44 -0000 Received: by puertopollo.lucasarts.com; id JAA27668; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:16:48 -0800 Received: from fandango.lucasarts.com(144.0.100.82) by puertopollo.lucasarts.com via smap (3.2) id xma027656; Mon, 3 Nov 97 09:16:38 -0800 Received: from tanis.lucaslearning.com (tanis [144.0.230.20]) by fandango.lucasarts.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28165 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by tanis.lucaslearning.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:22:21 -0800 Message-ID: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211593F3@tanis.lucaslearning.com> From: Josh Damon Williams To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ptrrabbt@cats.ucsc.edu, "'maya katz'" Subject: RE: that hiphop dj at 1:00? Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:22:20 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk it was kid koala from 12:30 - ? in the lounge. he was nothing less than awsome. i thnk nightmares on wax closed the lounge from like 5-7am... > ---------- > From: maya katz > Sent: Monday, November 3, 1997 1:59 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; ptrrabbt@cats.ucsc.edu > Subject: Re: that hiphop dj at 1:00? > > Damn!!! he was soooo good!!! i think it must have been koala- i was in > > there too, and going off to his beats, everything- he was kinda > shorter, > and with a dark complexion? - I thought he was the best one there > that > night!! Glad to see that someone else liked him too. : ) > > Maya > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 17:50:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20059 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 17:50:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 20049 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 17:50:04 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 17:50:04 -0000 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) id <01IPKHHLE9749LWLQ8@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:49:57 PDT Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Doreen Subject: Re: ????????? To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, djmarq@aol.com Message-id: <01IPKHHLI08I9LWLQ8@SONOMA.EDU> X-VMS-To: SMTP%"sfraves@hyperreal.org" SMTP%"djmarq@aol.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk MARQ!!! I *knew* i forgot to mention somebody! I was marilyn...it was SO nice to meet you!! you were rad. write me back... _doreen_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 18:09:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26898 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 18:09:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 26881 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 18:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 18:09:35 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:05:04 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971103101243.006bd334@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 10:12:43 -0800 To: *byroni* , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Megan Hug Subject: Re: ULTRA Presents JOSH WINK, KING BRITT, DJ SNEAK and Reinforced Records (4 Hero) In-Reply-To: References: <19971103102818682.AAA270@mohan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk sounds good... i might have to check it out... meg At 08:26 AM 11/3/97 -0800, *byroni* wrote: > >I so want to go to this event.. anyone interested in going?? > >On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, ULTRA wrote: > >> Monday Nov 4th >> ULTRA Presents >> JOsh Wink, King Britt, DJ Sneak and special guests >> >> Club V/SF >> 21+ >> >> >> > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 18:27:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3126 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 18:27:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 3116 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 18:27:04 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 18:27:04 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id KAA05189; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:23:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345E199E.D3E6F294@best.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 10:36:14 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ma66ie tan6 CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: happee kidz, two sluts, and a glamour girL. References: <01bce673$ea17ff40$30b6edcc@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yeah.... WTF???? hehe where the hell were you all night? damn it! I wanted to see SLUTS damn it! DOH! =( hmmm hopefully I'll see ya the weekend of the 14th & 15th?? miss ya bunches!!! jer =) > ma66ie tan6 wrote: > > happee kidz, two sluts and a 6lamour 6irL > > one last thin6, but not least, jer, thanks for EVERYTHIN6. i love you > so much.... i am sorry i missed you for the hundredth time. till we > meet a6ain.... > > > much love > as always > huggies > kissies and > [We've Moved] piggies.... > > ma6s > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 18:42:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7722 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 18:42:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 7711 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 18:42:29 -0000 Received: from jazz.citiscape.com (206.40.4.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 18:42:29 -0000 Received: from citiscape.com by jazz.citiscape.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id KAA11681; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:43:51 -0800 Message-ID: <345E1B90.5788EA57@citiscape.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 10:46:26 -0800 From: Robert Pointer Reply-To: rwpointer@citiscape.com Organization: CITISCAPE Media Design, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Megan Hug , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: ULTRA Presents JOSH WINK, KING BRITT, DJ SNEAK and Reinforced Records (4 Hero) References: <19971103102818682.AAA270@mohan> <3.0.1.32.19971103101243.006bd334@medialive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Megan Hug wrote: > > sounds good... > i might have to check it out... > meg WHAAAA! just sounds good? This is the BOMB AND I CAN'T GO!! (whine, whine....) ;( rob. http://www.citizenmag.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 18:50:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9492 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 18:50:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 9483 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 18:50:55 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 18:50:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103185251.8847.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.112] by web2; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 10:52:51 PST Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:52:51 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: a ? for da list.... To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey Kidz~ after reading tha reviews of HTM and Happy Kidz... I'm interested in ... What was your favorite party/rave ? for me it's still a tie between Cloud Factory Condensation and True Love... for different reasons of course...condensation was tha 1 st time i remember a certain dj... before dat they all ran in to eachother... and true love... that vibe was so thick... it coulda been cut wit a butta knife...straight butta baby... How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? and WHY? love jeremy see ya @ VIBERATIONS & WONDER on tha NOV. 14th & 15th From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 18:52:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10100 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 18:51:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 10090 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 18:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 18:51:58 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:47:00 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971103105440.006a7eb0@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 10:54:40 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Megan Hug Subject: NRR: room for rent Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk $338/month !!! great deal! location: western addition (san francisco) 4 bedroom apartment 3 girls living there... looking for a 4th (sorry guys... my housemates only want a female... if it were up to me... there would be NO bais!) street parking available free washer/dryer med-small room my housemates are pretty open minded... not into the club/rave scene (i, however, am a different breed... :) everyone respects eachother's space and we all pretty much have our own lives. we're looking for someone who can pay rent on time, is considerate, responsible, clean, no smoking indoors, no drugs in the house (usually)... what you do on your own time- your business. e-mail me with any questions or comments... want to set up "interviews" for this wed megan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 19:00:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12496 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 19:00:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 12483 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 19:00:09 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 19:00:09 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xSRiu-0002Q0-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:59:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:55:23 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Derek J Fieldsoe cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: where did the majik go? In-Reply-To: <19971101.101523.7598.2.drek1@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I can't agree with you more brother... When I go to a party I really just focus on the music, visuals, spirituality, and that special someone if she's with me. I don't waste my energy watching other people, being concerened with them or watching circles of dancing ego-trippers. It has always been about my love for the music and my interest in high levels of consciousness. I'm becoming very disenchanted with parties in general. Other than the parties thrown by Vlad and Martin I have little or no interest in spending my time or money at massives. The entire *rave* culture has metamorphisized into a mass of 16 year old school kids. Not only do they (generally) a) have no clue whose spinning at any given time b) listen to the music 1/2 the time b) take drugs to *fit in* and end up going overboard and getting sick and feeling shitty all night. Then they want you to baby sit them. This ruins the entire experience. I feel like kids shouldn't even be let into these parties. Especially since drug usage is so prevelent.. I'm a 22 year old adult indirectly condoning kids getting wasted. They don't even know who they are and they're taking all these extremely powerful chemicals on a regular basis. It's just wrong. This alone will destroy the scene. Once this generation of ravers become disenchanted with the scene and start talking shit about it. I dunno. It's such a high level thing and all these people are stuck in the physical. They don't realize how magical this all is. it's not something you do to fit in, it's something you do to get a better understanding of yourself, others and the universe as a whole. Music, chemicals and visuals.... take you places.... and I don't think most of these kids are ready for it... or even aware of where they're going to be taken. And to add a little more.... I'm so sick of all these Tommy Hilfiger wearing kids... trying so hard to fit in... wearing clothes that are so overpriced... and they must feel like they have to be wearing what everyone else is.... I remember being this way.. wanting to wear the new Nikes back in 5th and 6th grade... but now it's not shoes that these kids are doing to fit it... it's so much more... and the consiquences are so much greater.... And once little Debi starts raving with her friends... and starts having all these powerful experiences.... what could compare to this?? In no way would a date to the movies with Johnny Jones compare... who wants to go home by 9??? Why not stay out all night and have a mind blowing (no pun intended) experience?? What is better than that? Raving is the ultimate exerience.... and once you attain such a life style it's hard to get out of it if you're in it for the wrong reasons... and eventually their lives lead into a downward spiral.... and only the ones that are true to themselves and the scene will prevail... and the little ravers will all be home alone, depressed and lonely.. wondering what happened to the times of raving with their friends and realized the stupid decisions they made based on what their friends were doing... and where are those friends now??? sigh... Before it was something you would do because you loved the music... now it's passing all barriers of lifestyles that everyone is getting into it.. and this includes the people and ideals that Derek and myself wanted to get away from.... Raving was meant to be a thing for people who really cared about the world and others.... and wanted to spend time in more spiritually aware environment.... but now people see how much $$$ they can make and are exploiting this magic.... there is no price tag placed on a night that is filled with magic... a night that enlightens you... a night that changes you forever... a night like Love Affair, Freedom, Basics, etc.... lets think about the long term destruction of this magic instead of short term financial gain... I could go on forever..... it's just that this entire scene is so important to me... and the way it makes me feel is unparalleled... it's what I'm about as a 22 year old... in this fvcked up society, corrupt government, this dieing world... it's a passion... and it's being torn out of my arms... Byroni On Sat, 1 Nov 1997, Derek J Fieldsoe wrote: > For sure, that has to be the last massive I'm ever going to. Spent an > evening at HTM, sober for the most part, and had a chance to get a good > look into how much it has changed in the past year or so. I remember > when I would go to a massive, I would have such an antsy feeling of > anticipation and it would be satisfied. I can't even have that feeling > anymore because I know that I'll probably be let down. It's just that > parties like Eminence and Love Affair were magical. The last three > massives I've gone to (Juggernaut, Big Top, HTM) have been incredible > dissapointments. It just seems like the massive scene has become so > warped and superficial. It hella bugs. Everything I tried so hard to > get away from (in terms of social stuff) when I was getting into the > scene has now followed me here. Cliques, warped ideas that drugs are a > right not a privilage, shitty vibe as a result. I mean fuck, Byron and I > witnessed some asshole making a fool of himself trying to start a fight. > I don't know. Maybe I've just gotten all that I can from this scene > (massives; UG is a whole different world). In a scene that once had such > incredible diversity, I'm now noticing an amazing amount of conformity. > > Hey, atleast thanks to the Teknodiva, I was able to steal hella records > and mixtapes and stuff. I got more cd's from that place than I would buy > in six months. > > Well, just frustrated with what it has become. > > dErEk > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 19:25:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22175 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 19:25:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 22156 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 19:25:08 -0000 Received: from f51.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.62) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 19:25:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 28174 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1997 19:24:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103192441.28173.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 157.22.229.127 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:24:41 PST X-Originating-IP: [157.22.229.127] From: "peter sandifer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Mike Migurski/Terry Eskioto ? (NRR, paging) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:24:41 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk know how I can reach them? thanks, b o o m e fidget r a n g H ERE let me put it between your ears ARETH EFACTSYO http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr UREQUESTED ._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._. "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 19:32:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24470 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 19:32:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 24461 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 19:32:17 -0000 Received: from ws100.eisinet.com (HELO eisinet.com) (206.159.237.101) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 19:32:17 -0000 Received: from EISIHQ-Message_Server by eisinet.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:39:45 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:39:32 -0800 From: Veann Cao To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: HELP PLEASE Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk can someone pleeeeeeeeze email me with the info number fer happy kids? thaaaaanks! veann =) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 19:38:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25653 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 19:38:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 25639 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 19:38:06 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 19:38:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103194004.20140.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.112] by web2; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:40:04 PST Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:40:04 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: where did the majik go? To: *byroni* , Derek J Fieldsoe Cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey kidz~ first off tha UG scene as much as I love it...i hate it almost to tha same extent...i've only been in tha scene since new years... and in that time i've seen tha scene change...@ first i was struck by tha pure beauty of tha whole thing... dancing all night...to mind blowing music...and meeting so mAny new people...i've met a lot of great people who i love still and will always love... but i 've also witnessed a change where before, i didn't see tha kids there simply for tha drugs... maybe it was tha sept. child in me... but i don't think so...crystal was not as open in everyones face...like it or not crystal kills... i've witnessed two friends overdose... and one almost die...i know what tha drugs do... yes tha kids are out in numbers... but different kids were out a few months ago...just now...it seems tha most important thing is getting as fucked up as u can... i party drug free... not for anyone but myself... tomorrow i may decide to do a drug... but today i'm not... its about making yourself happy... congrats byroni & derek... just do what makes u happy...have fun... love jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---*byroni* wrote: > > > I can't agree with you more brother... > > When I go to a party I really just focus on the music, visuals, > spirituality, and that special someone if she's with me. I don't waste my > energy watching other people, being concerened with them or watching > circles of dancing ego-trippers. It has always been about my love for the > music and my interest in high levels of consciousness. > > I'm becoming very disenchanted with parties in general. Other than the > parties thrown by Vlad and Martin I have little or no interest in spending > my time or money at massives. The entire *rave* culture has > metamorphisized into a mass of 16 year old school kids. Not only do they > (generally) a) have no clue whose spinning at any given time b) listen to > the music 1/2 the time b) take drugs to *fit in* and end up going > overboard and getting sick and feeling shitty all night. Then they want > you to baby sit them. This ruins the entire experience. I feel like kids > shouldn't even be let into these parties. Especially since drug usage is > so prevelent.. I'm a 22 year old adult indirectly condoning kids > getting wasted. They don't even know who they are and they're taking all > these extremely powerful chemicals on a regular basis. It's just wrong. > This alone will destroy the scene. Once this generation of ravers become > disenchanted with the scene and start talking shit about it. I dunno. It's > such a high level thing and all these people are stuck in the physical. > They don't realize how magical this all is. it's not something you do to > fit in, it's something you do to get a better understanding of yourself, > others and the universe as a whole. Music, chemicals and visuals.... take > you places.... and I don't think most of these kids are ready for it... or > even aware of where they're going to be taken. > > And to add a little more.... I'm so sick of all these Tommy Hilfiger > wearing kids... trying so hard to fit in... wearing clothes that are so > overpriced... and they must feel like they have to be wearing what > everyone else is.... I remember being this way.. wanting to wear the new > Nikes back in 5th and 6th grade... but now it's not shoes that these kids > are doing to fit it... it's so much more... and the consiquences are so > much greater.... > > And once little Debi starts raving with her friends... and starts having > all these powerful experiences.... what could compare to this?? In no way > would a date to the movies with Johnny Jones compare... who wants to go > home by 9??? Why not stay out all night and have a mind blowing (no pun > intended) experience?? What is better than that? Raving is the ultimate > exerience.... and once you attain such a life style it's hard to get out > of it if you're in it for the wrong reasons... and eventually their lives > lead into a downward spiral.... and only the ones that are true to > themselves and the scene will prevail... and the little ravers will all be > home alone, depressed and lonely.. wondering what happened to the times of > raving with their friends and realized the stupid decisions they made > based on what their friends were doing... and where are those friends > now??? sigh... > > Before it was something you would do because you loved the music... now > it's passing all barriers of lifestyles that everyone is getting into it.. > and this includes the people and ideals that Derek and myself wanted to > get away from.... Raving was meant to be a thing for people who really > cared about the world and others.... and wanted to spend time in more > spiritually aware environment.... but now people see how much $$$ they > can make and are exploiting this magic.... there is no price tag placed > on a night that is filled with magic... a night that enlightens you... a > night that changes you forever... a night like Love Affair, Freedom, > Basics, etc.... lets think about the long term destruction of this magic > instead of short term financial gain... > > I could go on forever..... it's just that this entire scene is so > important to me... and the way it makes me feel is unparalleled... it's > what I'm about as a 22 year old... in this fvcked up society, corrupt > government, this dieing world... it's a passion... and it's being torn out > of my arms... > > Byroni > > On Sat, 1 Nov 1997, Derek J Fieldsoe wrote: > > > For sure, that has to be the last massive I'm ever going to. Spent an > > evening at HTM, sober for the most part, and had a chance to get a good > > look into how much it has changed in the past year or so. I remember > > when I would go to a massive, I would have such an antsy feeling of > > anticipation and it would be satisfied. I can't even have that feeling > > anymore because I know that I'll probably be let down. It's just that > > parties like Eminence and Love Affair were magical. The last three > > massives I've gone to (Juggernaut, Big Top, HTM) have been incredible > > dissapointments. It just seems like the massive scene has become so > > warped and superficial. It hella bugs. Everything I tried so hard to > > get away from (in terms of social stuff) when I was getting into the > > scene has now followed me here. Cliques, warped ideas that drugs are a > > right not a privilage, shitty vibe as a result. I mean fuck, Byron and I > > witnessed some asshole making a fool of himself trying to start a fight. > > I don't know. Maybe I've just gotten all that I can from this scene > > (massives; UG is a whole different world). In a scene that once had such > > incredible diversity, I'm now noticing an amazing amount of conformity. > > > > Hey, atleast thanks to the Teknodiva, I was able to steal hella records > > and mixtapes and stuff. I got more cd's from that place than I would buy > > in six months. > > > > Well, just frustrated with what it has become. > > > > dErEk > > > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 19:41:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27372 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 19:41:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 27362 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 19:41:34 -0000 Received: from garibaldi.ncd.com (firewall-user@192.43.160.250) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 19:41:34 -0000 Received: by garibaldi.ncd.com; id LAA05430; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnc.ncd.com(138.43.158.20) by garibaldi.ncd.com via smap (3.2) id xma005392; Mon, 3 Nov 97 11:41:19 -0800 Received: from ivanova.ncd.com (corey@ivanova.ncd.com [138.43.100.50]) by cnc.ncd.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id LAA21438 for <@cnc.ncd.com:sfraves@hyperreal.org>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from corey@localhost) by ivanova.ncd.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA27690 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:40:27 -0800 From: "Corey Alambar" Message-Id: <971103114027.ZM27688@ivanova.ncd.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:40:26 -0800 In-Reply-To: PeterRabbit "that hiphop dj at 1:00?" (Nov 2, 12:31pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: that hiphop dj at 1:00? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 2, 12:31pm, PeterRabbit wrote: > Subject: that hiphop dj at 1:00? -> -> whoa- i was so skeptical about tribalMassive but i had an amazing time. my -> big question is this: did anyone see that hiphop DJ on around 1:10 in that -> downbeat-trip-hip-hop-funky-chill(?) room? they were showing him at the -> tables on the video screen and he was friggin amazing. he cold started his -> first record- and 4 beats later brought in the second- backed up the first, -> and threw that back in 4 beats later..continued this with added MAD -> scratching for quite a while- going nacknforth on the same record, he -> continued this kind of style thrown in everywhere and it was soo tight, -> ANYONE KNOW WHO THIS MAN WAS BECAUSE HE ROCKED MY WORLD. he inspired me to -> spin 2 of the same records for 3 hours in my room on sat. night (felt like -> 30 min cause I was so cracked out and in a mixing trance) -> He was hella cool - Spent most of the morning in there. :) Who was on in the middle there - I think around 2-3 am? Doing the realy cool mix with video clips (!!)! Is anyone can tell me who this was I'l be FOREVER in your debt! :) Ob. Review: I'm still coming down - I went in with a bad vibe, unfortunately - been a VERY bad week at work. But after 'bout an hour, I couldn't stop! It was so nice - being able to jsut let go i nthe music like that... But I ramble. Back to work! :) -Corey -- Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right. -- Salvor Hardin, "Foundation" Incoming fire has the right of way -- Anonymous From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 19:53:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1814 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 19:53:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 1796 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 19:53:33 -0000 Received: from mrin40.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin40.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.150) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 19:53:33 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA21808 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:52:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:52:57 -0500 (EST) From: Vibepool@aol.com Message-ID: <971103130650_-1542666829@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Rapture and Spiral rewiew?? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Still still trying to recoup..... I'm kind of bummin' cuz I was helping with Rapture this weekend, but, the party was lots of fun...the space looked fabulous and Baktun13 did an amazing set, complete with a special remix of Blondies' Rapture. Thanks for that freestylin rap from the guy in the crowd!!! What I really want to know is how the Spiral Tribe Festival went. Has anyone got a review for me? Greta From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 19:54:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2425 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 19:54:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 2411 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 19:54:03 -0000 Received: from puertopollo.lucasarts.com (firewall-user@204.71.70.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 19:54:03 -0000 Received: by puertopollo.lucasarts.com; id LAA10494; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:47:07 -0800 Received: from fandango.lucasarts.com(144.0.100.82) by puertopollo.lucasarts.com via smap (3.2) id xma010481; Mon, 3 Nov 97 11:46:46 -0800 Received: from tanis.lucaslearning.com (tanis [144.0.230.20]) by fandango.lucasarts.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02807 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by tanis.lucaslearning.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:52:30 -0800 Message-ID: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211ACDA9@tanis.lucaslearning.com> From: Josh Damon Williams To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, "'Corey Alambar'" Subject: RE: that hiphop dj at 1:00? Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:52:28 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > -> big question is this: did anyone see that hiphop DJ on around 1:10 > in > that > -> downbeat-trip-hip-hop-funky-chill(?) room? they were showing him > at > the > -> tables on the video screen and he was friggin amazing. > kid koala (he got signed to ninja tune or check out return of the dj vol. II) > > Who was on in > the middle there - I think around 2-3 am? > the original mix masters - cold cut!! (and dj food, same diff) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 20:18:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8878 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 20:18:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8866 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:18:36 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:18:36 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-4-208.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.208]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA07944; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:18:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345E40DB.4CD2@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:23:39 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, maya katz Subject: Re: that hiphop dj at 1:00? References: <19971103085908.12713.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk right, I believe that I remember seeing on the screen it saying KID KOALA. So ya, thats the guy youre looking for. TERESA maya katz wrote: > > Damn!!! he was soooo good!!! i think it must have been koala- i was in > there too, and going off to his beats, everything- he was kinda shorter, > and with a dark complexion? - I thought he was the best one there that > night!! Glad to see that someone else liked him too. : ) > > Maya From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 20:22:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10592 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 20:22:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 10582 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:22:28 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:22:28 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-4-208.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.208]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA09266; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:22:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345E41C5.1EEC@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:27:33 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, Larry Ching Subject: Re: "cracked-out" References: <199711031554.HAA03787@netcom20.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Larry Ching wrote: > > Hi SFRavers - > > OK, time for the old guy to finally ask another vocabulary question - > what do people mean when they use the phrase "cracked-out" ? > > Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com Hey someone else asked me this question and my reply was that "CRACKED OUT" for me is when I have been up all night, dancing my ass off, super tired and my eyes are barely open, I am a walking zombie and I have this look on my face like, "Huh, you can't be talking to me-because I am not even concious to the fact that I am really awake." They also asked if it was a literal meaning-really on crack...I said for me no, for others-maybe. I use it metaphorically speaking. Sorry for spelling errors, TERESA From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 20:26:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11516 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 20:26:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 11507 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:26:38 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:26:38 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-4-208.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.208]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA10634; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:26:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345E42BF.75DD@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:31:43 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, jeremy bispo Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... References: <19971103185251.8847.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ohhh, that would HAVE to be EXPERIENCE back in MAY! Even though I had my wallet stolen and stuff-it was a bomb ass party. I had so much fun, danced great, meet some super people---it was the beginning of a wonderful relationship even though it only lasted for the summer. I have some great memories. Can't wait for the next one! Any info and the Experience anniversary? TERESA =] jeremy bispo wrote: > > hey Kidz~ > > after reading tha reviews of HTM and Happy Kidz... > I'm interested in ... What was your favorite > party/rave ? > > for me it's still a tie between Cloud Factory > Condensation and True Love... for different reasons > of course...condensation was tha 1 st time i remember > a certain dj... before dat they all ran in to > eachother... and true love... that vibe was so > thick... it coulda been cut wit a butta > knife...straight butta baby... > > How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? > and WHY? > > love jeremy > > see ya @ VIBERATIONS & WONDER on tha NOV. 14th & 15th From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 20:42:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17147 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 20:42:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 17136 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:42:20 -0000 Received: from f12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:42:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 11749 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1997 20:41:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103204150.11748.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.155.41.41 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:41:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.155.41.41] From: "_Suger_ Sweetner" To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org Subject: Happy Kids, 10.31.97 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:41:50 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey All... There wasn't anything all that happy about Happy Kids.... We drove all the way up there from Santa Cruz... for the only non-massive all ages party in SF.... and when we arrive *poof*... "oh i'm sorry tickets sold out at 8pm" We had called the info-line... continously while driving up there..... If your going to trow a party... and tickets sell.. out... inform us... cause driving fer hours on Halloween was not my idea of a good time... Thanks.... Peace....... =================================================================== Love the Music... Not the Drugz...... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 20:46:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18535 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 20:46:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 18526 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:46:03 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:46:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18251 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:48:12 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:48:12 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961103124353.00c55290@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 12:43:53 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: that hiphop dj at 1:00? In-Reply-To: <19971103085908.12713.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 12:59 AM 11/3/97 PST, you wrote: >Damn!!! he was soooo good!!! i think it must have been koala- i was in >there too, and going off to his beats, everything- he was kinda shorter, >and with a dark complexion? - I thought he was the best one there that >night!! Glad to see that someone else liked him too. : ) ***** I just stood there, moving my upperside to his beat, staring at the black and white screen. he got the people in front of me going off. I had a kick just watching him work. didn't stay long though, was still on my sober exploration for my sweet spot. he was hella good though. -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 20:47:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19105 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 20:47:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 19081 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:47:01 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:42:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971103125016.006d2cac@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:50:16 -0800 To: From: Megan Hug Subject: does anybody know... (name of a party) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk on jeremy's thread about best parties- does anybody know... ... the name of this party: it was the first rave i ever went to a couple of months after i moved here to california... it was held in livermore, towards the end of the summer? outside, really big, everyone brought a can of food, laser lights on the surrounding hills, everyone raced to the top of a hill to catch the first rays of sunlight in the morning... it might not have been one of the best parties (for all of you veteran's)... but for me it was my first in more ways than on-e... and it was very memorable! i was amazed with the whole scene! still curious as to who put it on and who the dj's were... manly trance i believe... please respond privately! thanks! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 20:49:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20679 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 20:49:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 20670 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:49:03 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:49:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103204350.17919.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web1; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:43:50 PST Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:43:50 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: does anybody know... (name of a party) To: Megan Hug , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk That would be "Freedom" I believe. Layne ---Megan Hug wrote: > > on jeremy's thread about best parties- > > does anybody know... > ... the name of this party: > it was the first rave i ever went to a couple of months after i moved here > to california... it was held in livermore, towards the end of the summer? > outside, really big, everyone brought a can of food, laser lights on the > surrounding hills, everyone raced to the top of a hill to catch the first > rays of sunlight in the morning... > it might not have been one of the best parties (for all of you > veteran's)... but for me it was my first in more ways than on-e... and it > was very memorable! i was amazed with the whole scene! > still curious as to who put it on and who the dj's were... manly trance i > believe... > please respond privately! > thanks! > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 20:51:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21376 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 20:51:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 21365 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:51:24 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:51:24 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xSTSt-0003xm-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:51:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:46:59 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Layne Loomis cc: Megan Hug , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: does anybody know... (name of a party) In-Reply-To: <19971103204350.17919.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk YEP... * F R E E D O M * Stacey Pullen sent me to another level... man. That party was AWWWESOME. I was in a tent with one my my best friends and he didn't even remember me being there..... can anyone say Entertainment x 6...? :P That was a very good party. I know I'll be going to Freedom forever. Byroni On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Layne Loomis wrote: > That would be "Freedom" I believe. > > Layne > > > > > ---Megan Hug wrote: > > > > on jeremy's thread about best parties- > > > > does anybody know... > > ... the name of this party: > > it was the first rave i ever went to a couple of > months after i moved here > > to california... it was held in livermore, towards > the end of the summer? > > outside, really big, everyone brought a can of > food, laser lights on the > > surrounding hills, everyone raced to the top of a > hill to catch the first > > rays of sunlight in the morning... > > it might not have been one of the best parties (for > all of you > > veteran's)... but for me it was my first in more > ways than on-e... and it > > was very memorable! i was amazed with the whole > scene! > > still curious as to who put it on and who the dj's > were... manly trance i > > believe... > > please respond privately! > > thanks! > > > > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 20:53:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23406 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 20:53:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 23384 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:53:30 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:53:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 18550 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:55:40 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:55:40 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961103125121.00c5f7c0@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 12:51:21 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: RE: that hiphop dj at 1:00? In-Reply-To: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211593F3@tanis.lucaslearning .com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 09:22 AM 11/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >it was kid koala from 12:30 - ? in the lounge. he was nothing less than >awsome. i thnk nightmares on wax closed the lounge from like 5-7am... **** definitely going to keep an ear out for him. i wish i would have stayed for more of his set, i just never got back over there the jungle room kept luring me in... peace- -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 20:55:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24143 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 20:55:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 24134 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:55:02 -0000 Received: from f109.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.228) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 19766 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1997 20:54:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103205436.19765.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 157.22.229.127 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:54:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [157.22.229.127] From: "peter sandifer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: where did all the majik go? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:54:35 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Jeremy done said: and in that time i've seen tha scene change...@ first i was struck by tha pure beauty of tha whole thing... dancing all night...to mind blowing music...and meeting so mAny new people...i've met a lot of great people who i love still and will always love... but i 've also witnessed a change where before, i didn't see tha kids there simply for tha drugs... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Now Boomerang's fixin to say: Naw, don't kid yourself, dood. Nothing's changed. At least not in the last 11 months. Or even in the last 6 ot 7 years. Maybe stuff was changing rapidly in the scene like between 88 and 92. I think it just took you awhile to see everything that goes on in the little nooks and crannies. i remember back in 1992, seeing some naked guy getting stomped by a bunch of rednecks at a party, and asking, "Man, what's happening when you can't even get buck naked at a rave without getting stomped?" but stuff like that was going on long before then, I had just never seen it. Some people like snorting tweak, fighting, and macking on ladies, and they've always been going to parties. it just takes awhile to see the big picture. But still. All the more reason to make good things happen. Sometimes all it takes is one person to get the ball rolling. Like paying the toll for the guy behind you on the bridge. And then he pays for the guy behind him. Like how a flock of butterflies in South America can cause a tornado in Kansas. I believe in magic. Don't you? b o o m e fidget r a n g H ERE let me put it between your ears ARETH EFACTSYO http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr UREQUESTED ._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._. "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 20:57:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25458 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 20:57:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 25449 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 20:57:31 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 20:57:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103205928.9600.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.112] by web2; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:59:28 PST Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:59:28 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: does anybody know... (name of a party) To: *byroni* , Layne Loomis Cc: Megan Hug , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm sad... i wanted to go to freedom so bad...but i only had enough money for one thing tha warp tour (punk rock show) or freedom.... i chose tha show... a bad mistake...well now i know... and knowing is half tha battle... go joe....love jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---*byroni* wrote: From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 21:01:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26983 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 21:01:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 26720 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 21:01:36 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 21:01:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103205938.18677.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.112] by attach1; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:59:38 PST Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:59:38 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: where did all the majik go? To: peter sandifer , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm still here aren't I ...of course i still believe in majik.... thats why i throw parties now... to share tha majik...but for me... tha majik is inside each of us... and it is our job to share it... sum use there mixing skills... others use there hugs... and sum there dancin... i myself prefer my smile...its amazing what asmile can do...love jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---peter sandifer wrote: > > Jeremy done said: > > and in that time i've seen > tha scene change...@ first i was struck by tha pure > beauty of tha whole thing... dancing all night...to > mind blowing music...and meeting so mAny new > people...i've met a lot of great people who i love > still and will always love... but i 've also > witnessed a change where before, i didn't see tha > kids there simply for tha drugs... > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > Now Boomerang's fixin to say: > > Naw, don't kid yourself, dood. Nothing's changed. At least > not in the last 11 months. Or even in the last 6 ot 7 years. > Maybe stuff was changing rapidly in the scene like between > 88 and 92. I think it just took you awhile to see everything > that goes on in the little nooks and crannies. > > i remember back in 1992, seeing some naked guy getting > stomped by a bunch of rednecks at a party, and asking, "Man, > what's happening when you can't even get buck naked at a rave > without getting stomped?" > > but stuff like that was going on long before then, I had just > never seen it. > > Some people like snorting tweak, fighting, and macking on > ladies, and they've always been going to parties. it just takes awhile > to see the big picture. > > But still. All the more reason to make good things happen. Sometimes > all it takes is one person to get the ball rolling. Like paying the > toll > for the guy behind you on the bridge. And then he pays for the guy > behind > him. Like how a flock of butterflies in South America can cause > a tornado in Kansas. > > I believe in magic. > > Don't you? > > > > > > > > > > > > b > o > o > m > e fidget > r > a > n > g H > ERE let me put it between your ears > ARETH > EFACTSYO http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr > UREQUESTED > > ._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._. > > "...the end of all our exploring will be > to arrive where we started > and know the place for the first time." > t.s. eliot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 21:11:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1981 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 21:11:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 1972 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 21:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown-1-11.wrs.com (HELO mail.wrs.com) (147.11.1.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 21:11:09 -0000 Received: from faraday (faraday.wrs.com [147.11.11.7]) by mail.wrs.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29792 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:11:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971103130421.018e9c50@wrs.com> X-Sender: georgej@wrs.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:04:22 +0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "George E. Jimenez" Subject: Rumor about Crystal Method? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey folks, Over the weekend, someone told me that a couple of members of the Crystal Method got busted in...get this, A METH LAB, of all places! Has anyone else heard this and/or can attest to the validity of this rumor? Thanks, G 0000,0000,8080************************************************* 8080,0000,0000"If you obey all the rules, then you miss all the fun." -Katherine Hepburn 0000,0000,8080************************************************* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 21:11:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2508 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 21:11:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 1969 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 21:11:08 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 21:11:08 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id Q}S17969; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:02:55 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 02:27:19 -0800 Subject: Re: where did the majik go? Message-ID: <19971103.023156.2702.1.drek1@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-8,20-30,37-44,52-57,62-69,72-73,78-82 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:55:23 -0800 (PST) *byroni* writes: >They don't even know who they are and they're taking >all >these extremely powerful chemicals on a regular basis. It's just >wrong. >This alone will destroy the scene. It's such a shame to see kids who are so bored with themselves that they feel like that they must do drugs so that they will have this false belief that they are experiencing true fun. When in fact they're totally oblivious to the idea of discovering yourself or going on a journey to find answers to problems that may be occuring in one's life. Neither do they understand the idea of moderation. Moderation is necessary in all forms of whatever. I found that out for sure in the past year. Drugs, raves, girls ( in that it's not cool to go and see how many you can have sex with in two months), food, acne medicine, bleach in the washing machine, whatever. Everything must be done in moderation because if you don't, you destroy the preciousness of the experience and it then becomes nothing to you. >It's >such a high level thing and all these people are stuck in the >physical. >They don't realize how magical this all is. it's not something you do >to >fit in, it's something you do to get a better understanding of >yourself, >others and the universe as a whole. Because of the rave scene, I have changed soooo much as a person. While there might be some downsides to the person I've become ( i.e., large drug use at one point), there are far more upsides that I have learned about myself and how to use them in society. The scene is very precious to me and I love it like nothing else. When it becomes something as common as movies on Friday night, that's when it's over. People need to understand that this is too very much a spiritual community. >I'm so sick of all these Tommy Hilfiger >wearing kids... trying so hard to fit in... wearing clothes that are >so >overpriced... and they must feel like they have to be wearing what >everyone else is.... Man, do you realize how many records one can buy with all the money spent on those clothes? Shit. I'd be one happy person if I had that money laying around. What's the point of that stuff? I mean, in theory, lot's of dancing occurs at raves. Why would one want to get such cool clothes all sweaty and stinky. It'd be cooleer to have a nice hawaiian shirt, half unbuttoned, with a medallion, listening to the house records that Byron bought the other night. hee hee. (another inside joke. sorry people.) >and this includes the people and ideals that Derek and myself wanted >to >get away from.... Where can I go when all the asshole jocks that I see from my high school are all at these parties now? I'm sure it won't be excruciatingly hard, it's just that I've grown extemely fond to this scene and its music and I don't want to forfeit to the type of social group I was originally getting away from. > there is no price tag >placed >on a night that is filled with magic... a night that enlightens you... >a >night that changes you forever... a night like Love Affair, Freedom, No Shit. Those nights were very big events in my life where I learned a lot about how much more open I am to other people and what great friends I have. Maybe, at some point I should just start throwing my own parties where a different philosophy of sorts is portrayed. One where the music is much more intellectual (not that hard dancy trance is a bad thing... I love that stuff) and the ideas of how to react to the music and use it to your advantage. Cybertropic Baby!!!! You all have a good day and look both ways before you cross the street. dErEk From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 21:15:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3769 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 21:15:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 3747 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 21:15:50 -0000 Received: from justice.andromedia.com (206.235.64.40) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 21:15:50 -0000 Received: (from marisa@localhost) by justice.andromedia.com (8.8.7/8.7.2) id NAA23136; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:15:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:15:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711032115.NAA23136@justice.andromedia.com> From: Marisa Giancarla To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Rumor about Crystal Method? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971103130421.018e9c50@wrs.com> References: <3.0.32.19971103130421.018e9c50@wrs.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: marisa@andromedia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "G" == George E Jimenez writes: G> Hey folks, Over the weekend, someone told me that a couple of G> members of the Crystal Method got busted in...get this, A METH G> LAB, of all places! G> Has anyone else heard this and/or can attest to the validity of G> this rumor? I heard that the meth lab was right next to the doctor's office where Gene Simmons of Kiss had his tongue lengthened, across the street from the pet shop where Ozzie Osborne used to buy the bats he would bite the heads off of, and about a mile away from the stables where Rod Stewart used to get a certain product of male horses. I'm sure it's true - I heard it from a friend of a friend of mine. Marisa (the above was sarcasm for the humor impaired) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 21:21:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5679 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 21:21:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 5670 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 21:21:47 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 21:21:47 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xSTwI-0004Js-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:21:38 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:17:22 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Marisa Giancarla cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Rumor about Crystal Method? In-Reply-To: <199711032115.NAA23136@justice.andromedia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk :) A couple of the members??? There are only 2 of them. I actually met them at ALL TOGETHER NOW too. I was talking to a friend about Sade (a friend I Just met) and she told me she was there with Crystal Method and she introduced me to them... I placed my Hawaii leigh (sp?) around one of their necks and said, "Did you always have the fantasy of getting laid by a studly raver?"... :) Byroni ps. I post a lot... but why not. People who meet me say they enjoy my posts.... You'd post to if it happened to you... err.. oops. I'm sitting here at work slacking.. 4 calls in the queue... and they're all dieing to talk to us about their *problems*... "TRY PLUGGIN IN THE ISDN"!!! On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Marisa Giancarla wrote: > >>>>> "G" == George E Jimenez writes: > > G> Hey folks, Over the weekend, someone told me that a couple of > G> members of the Crystal Method got busted in...get this, A METH > G> LAB, of all places! > > G> Has anyone else heard this and/or can attest to the validity of > G> this rumor? > > I heard that the meth lab was right next to the doctor's > office where Gene Simmons of Kiss had his tongue lengthened, across > the street from the pet shop where Ozzie Osborne used to buy the bats > he would bite the heads off of, and about a mile away from the stables > where Rod Stewart used to get a certain product of male horses. I'm > sure it's true - I heard it from a friend of a friend of mine. > > Marisa > > (the above was sarcasm for the humor impaired) > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 21:45:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10984 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 21:45:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 10975 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 21:45:48 -0000 Received: from ws100.eisinet.com (HELO eisinet.com) (206.159.237.101) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 21:45:48 -0000 Received: from EISIHQ-Message_Server by eisinet.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:13:05 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:12:38 -0800 From: Veann Cao To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: hi hello need happy kids info =) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk could someone ever so kindly give me the happy kids info line... i'm a little stuck :o heehee see you all there. i'll be dressed up as some little asian girlie =) veann From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 21:53:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14028 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 21:53:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 14019 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 21:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown-1-11.wrs.com (HELO mail.wrs.com) (147.11.1.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 21:53:10 -0000 Received: from faraday (faraday.wrs.com [147.11.11.7]) by mail.wrs.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02116; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:53:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971103134614.00a354c0@wrs.com> X-Sender: georgej@wrs.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:46:14 +0000 To: *byroni* From: "George E. Jimenez" Subject: Re: Rumor about Crystal Method? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 01:17 PM 11/3/97 -0800, you wrote: > >:) > >A couple of the members??? There are only 2 of them. Yes, actually I am aware of this, though I assumed the "rumor" I heard would've involved members of their entourage, since it usually takes more than two to go on tour and produce all the music and stuff. What I heard was that someone from the group made their exit just before the cops busted'em. Now, I'm not one to spread gossip & rumors (yeah right) but I was very curious 'cause I could've sworn I'd read something about the Crystal Method and some sort of run-in with the law. Then, a very well-informed person passed on the info to me, but I haven't been able to find anything on it. Guess it must be bogus. Nevertheless, the irony of them getting busted that way would've killed me!!! Sorry to spam... Cheers, G From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 22:34:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22811 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 22:33:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 22800 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 22:33:57 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 22:33:57 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id OAA11603; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [169.233.12.105] by cats-po-1 (8.6.13/4.8) id OAA10061; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:33:18 -0800 X-Sender: ptrrabbt@cats-po-1.ucsc.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971103092127.26449.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 02:32:57 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, "Break Dancer" From: PeterRabbit Subject: Re: some qualms with HTM Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >4. the floors were completely filthy. i could'nt breakdance with out >my hands getting blacked by the oily gunk all over the floors.. amen- i went to juggernaut at the baldwin center and I came back with (1) horribly stained and almost brand new Tommy jacket (2) scummy hands with black fingernails and (4 or 5) large black streaks across my face from wiping off sweat. not only did I feel "Cracked-out" :) as I walked back home along haight, but as I looked in the mirror at the mcdonalds bathroom, I sure as hell looked cracked out. the dirty sitch was better this time- but that may have been my own self control and my sobriety this time as opposed to last. but I have to give mad props to FTT cause this was one of the best set up massives I have ever been to. pretty close to Bigger and Dune( LA- actually palm springs/LA desert- massives).. but obviously very different than those. >6. how come i didnt get any free water? all you had to do was fill up your cup or bottle at the big arrowhead type dispensers at the back right of the main room (looking at the stage). very inspiring to see free water and 1$ bottles. also relieving after a 30$ cover. did anybody here know that in mad( > 200 ) quantities, bottled water works out to be around 20-25 cents each. thats a sold for a typical going rate of 2.00$ at a party, you are making an 800% profit! and we get mad at dealers for not cutting us a deal:) I say we stage a water revolt =] okay...um.. please excuse my fairly pointless rambling. I am still quite cracked out from the crazy weekend. bye friends:) -=PeterRabbit=- NoEvol(loveOn) prod.,LuvTribe, RTD From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 23:01:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 268 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 23:01:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 257 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 23:01:24 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 23:01:24 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18984 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:00:24 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n1-7.napanet.net [157.22.193.7]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA27622 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:58:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971103145811.0069e9f4@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:58:11 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi Butterfield Subject: Post much? Thanks. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Byroni > >ps. I post a lot... but why not. People who meet me say they enjoy my >posts.... You'd post to if it happened to you... err.. oops. I'm sitting >here at work slacking.. 4 calls in the queue... and they're all dieing to >talk to us about their *problems*... "TRY PLUGGIN IN THE ISDN"!!! > I thought that's what the list was for, I like it when I see five or eight posts all in a row by the same person....it shows that everyone is keeping this going (and friendly too!) yes friendly, unlike the pathetic Manson list I was on a couple years ago. Thank you people!! .Trick Pot. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 23:07:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2180 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 23:07:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 2170 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 23:07:40 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 23:07:40 -0000 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) id PAA14412 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:07:42 -0800 (PST) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199711032307.PAA14412@atari.saturn5.com> Subject: Re: Rumor about Crystal Method? (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:07:40 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > >>>>> "G" == George E Jimenez writes: > > G> Hey folks, Over the weekend, someone told me that a couple of > G> members of the Crystal Method got busted in...get this, A METH > G> LAB, of all places! > > G> Has anyone else heard this and/or can attest to the validity of > G> this rumor? Not a meth lab. The bust was for people making GHB. The whole story is at: http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/lofi/971030/971030_1673.shtml The summary is that Ken and Scott stopped by a loft with a friend and the LAPD happened to raid the place at that time. Neither are having any charges being brought against them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@saturn5.com <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.saturn5.com/tsheets/ <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 23:12:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3221 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 23:12:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 3189 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 23:12:08 -0000 Received: from f36.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.47) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 23:12:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 184 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1997 23:11:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103231140.182.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.155.41.41 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:11:40 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.155.41.41] From: "_Suger_ Sweetner" To: mercutio73@rocketmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Happy Kids, 10.31.97 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:11:40 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i think all i would like is that someone who is throwing a party take an interest in their party-goers.. And Update Your Voice Mail.... Keep the Public Informed.... Without us... their is no party ----Original Message Follows---- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:49:36 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: Happy Kids, 10.31.97 To: _Suger_ Sweetner i'm sowee u had a bad weekend...however the voicmail said it was pre-sale the entire time...i wish you could got in and had fun... love jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---_Suger_ Sweetner wrote: > > Hey All... > > There wasn't anything all that happy about Happy Kids.... > > We drove all the way up there from Santa Cruz... for the only > non-massive all ages party in SF.... and when we arrive *poof*... > > "oh i'm sorry tickets sold out at 8pm" > > We had called the info-line... continously while driving up there..... > > If your going to trow a party... and tickets sell.. out... inform us... > cause driving fer hours on Halloween was not my idea of a good time... > Thanks.... Peace....... > > =================================================================== > Love the Music... Not the Drugz...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Love the Music... Not the Drugs....! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 23:12:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3746 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 23:12:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 3736 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 23:12:41 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 23:12:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (andy@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA14467; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:12:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: AndyW X-Sender: andy@atari To: Derek J Fieldsoe cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: where did the magic go? In-Reply-To: <19971103.023156.2702.1.drek1@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The magic is in that part when a promoter decides to get buck nutty, and get the big sound system even though it means only breaking even. The magic is in going to the party where you don't know anyone, to see the scene for what it is, not a bunch of friends who go to the same events every weekend. The magic is in the records that the DJ keeps at the back of their bag, that they've wanted to play forever, but never hads the guts or chance to... The magic is when that record gets dropped on the decks, and everybody loves it as much as the freak who dropped it. The magic is in putting out a mixtape with a mistake on it, because it has a certain energy that makes you bounce in your drivers seat. The magic is that lighting program that makes it look like the floor just raised a couple feet, and everybody was riding it. The magic is in a visual that makes you realize that we are no better than a group of aborignies dancing around a fire, or a child fascinated with a light, or a deer staring at a skyscraper in the distance and wondering > why? <. The magic is everybody's responsibility. Believe that this is just a part of us, that is bigger than any of us expected it to be. Because even those people that have left the scene, sometimes bump into someone, and smile... because it's in their nature from the moment that they realized it's sometimes okay to take candy from strangers, or trust someone because of their smile. Sometimes rain falls on the outdoor events we look forward to for months, sometimes people who aren't as nice as we are get credit for things we've done, sometimes nobody shows up to a party you put your all into, sometimes you go to an awful party and everybody thinks it was killer, sometimes you don't know why people choose the biggest dickheads in the scene as people to look up to, and sometimes you take a two hour nap and wake up to find your bass bins got overdriven the whole time you were asleep and now they don't work at all. At your first party, the props and the music and the people and the lights and the lasers and the visuals and the chemicals and the vibe and the DJs and the personalities and those little things that happen are all amazing. They still are. You're just a little bit accustomed to it all you cynical jerk you... The other side of it comes down to caring for yourself and caring for others. The chemicals are fairly reliable. When I do A, I feel A. When I do B, I feel B. It's easy to make a constant out of drugs, but I think I speak for anybody who's been around them for a while... your going to get a handful of questions but no answers from that route. If you like what chemicals do, let your body go clean and you'll really appreciate them when you try them again a couple months later, or you might realize that they didn't bring that much to your life to begin with. Learn to not go when you're not up to it. Learn to let people live aside from expectations. Learn to grow within the limits of the scene. It is, ulitimately a reflection of ourselves. I woke up today alone, and tired. I looked over and my bassbins still smell like burnt coil sealer (ew, rather obessive, aren't I...). I don't feel a lot of PLUR (in fact I can't recall every FEELING PLUR... it's not a feeling, it's a group of guidelines you give newbies on how to treat others at parties when they don't have a clue on what's okay and what's not), but I slumped over to my decks and played a couple tracks I haven't played since sunrise at New Hope. The sky was hazy that morning, and most of the kids who were psycho enough to still be dancing were probably high as all hell. The beach roared between the breaks in the tracks, and the set kept building and building. I gripped my unplurry morning beverage (FOSTERS), and put on my favorite record (one hand, two decks... it gets overwhelming, but it's better than putting down my beer). The guy with the cane went apeshit, people started stomping, people came over dunes to hear what was going on. I fucked up the mix coming out the song prior (um... it was the deck... yeah, that's it). I looked up, and it didn't matter. The music and the people were there, alive, beating, and magical. The wind blew, and we kept that moment for a while. Rather than compare your best collective memories to what you see when you look around through your old, cynical eyes, work towards making this weekend or the next amazing. There are honest promoters, honest E dealers, honest kids, and honest spaceowners. Whether we find our place in goa, jungle, house, trance, techno, dub, ambient, trip hop or in that place between where you can't tell the difference, the artists rarely fail to strive for something amazing. "If you get confused just listen to the music play." Peace, AndyW From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 23:25:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7708 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 23:25:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7698 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 23:25:34 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 23:25:34 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.197.186]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA77 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:25:06 -0800 Reply-To: "Funky Tekno Tribe" From: "Funky Tekno Tribe Sound System" To: "SFRAVES" Subject: BSP: FTT Events for November Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:17:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-ID: <19971103232503517.AAA77@mohan> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Monday November 3rd ULTRA Presents JOSH WINK, KING BRITT, DJ SNEAK, 4 HERO, DJ STRETCH, DJ REBEL and MC M.A.D. Club V/SF 21+ Club V/SF $5 b4 midnite $7 after Wednesday November 5th FTT Presents HOOVERPHONIC 18+ Bimbo's $10 advance $12 door Monday November 10th ULTRA Presents Season Finale (Closed for Winter....reopening next summer) V-Classics Tour Jumping Jack Frost, Ray Keith, Brian G and MC Moose 21+ Club V/SF Thursday November 13th FTT Presents SPRING HEEL JACK (LIVE) with Tomas and Noel 18+ Bimbo's $12 Tuesday November 18th FTT Presents BENTLEY RHYTHM ACE (LIVE) 18+ Bimbo's Saturday November 22nd ENIT Presents Funky Tekno Tribe Janes' Addiction Bill Graham Civic 18+ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 23:33:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11430 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 23:33:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 11415 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 23:33:05 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 23:33:05 -0000 Received: (from ldylove@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id S]X17969; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:18:33 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:11:35 -0800 Subject: another H.K. Message-ID: <19971103.151135.5863.0.ldylove@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,22-23,25-28,30 From: ldylove@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I agree in total retrospect that H.K. was a great party, I do have a few gripes though.. Yes, it was extremely hot and crowded when I first arrived about midnight. The first party I went to at that space was Sillier and I would say for H.K. they crammed about a 150 or more people in there this time.. Unfortunately I missed Greg's set, I haven't heard him in months, I guess I will just have to catch him another time. In the up stairs chill room there was no music for awhile but that was soon rectified with a little help from a fairy. (we all thank you Drea) I wondered why they didn't have a ambient dj or something up there? I sure do know a few that would have loved to do the party. The crowd was absolutely fabulous but I was a little disappointed with the lack of Halloween costuming, I guess I expected more outrageous costumes. I would also agree that there where some grumpy people working that party, I tried to help clean up the upstairs when they began hurding people downstairs, I made some comment about the creation of ah inspiring "Raver Funk" and this guy started grumbling under his breath about "just fucken pick up the shit and get he hell out of there" I am sorry but that didn't make me want to help anymore. I also introduced myself to another of the H.K. group earlier that evening and pretty much got the same vibe. I hope they were just tired and such because I found that those H.K. aren't very happy I am sorry I wasn't to impressed with their attitude. But all in all I had a great halloween and even if they didn't enjoy putting on the party or what ever I still thank them very much for it. RLove P.S. if anyone went home with a toy from my grab bag feel free e-mail me and tell me how you used them later. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 23:56:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19456 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 23:56:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 19446 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 23:56:53 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 23:56:53 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id PAA07369; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:54:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345E6715.233A3A43@best.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:06:45 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ldylove@juno.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: another H.K. References: <19971103.151135.5863.0.ldylove@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk it was probably the space owners that were kinda grumpy... they were kinda grumpy all night I think... at least as far as I saw.... and well.... what can they do to the space owners? tell them to shut the fuck up and be nice to the cracked out ravers? =) hehe... no way... great party, great crowd, too hot, too packed! congrats to happy kids and society for throwing one of the first underground indoors of the winter! =) peace.jer ldylove@juno.com wrote: > > I agree in total retrospect that H.K. was a great party, I do have a few > gripes though.. > > Yes, it was extremely hot and crowded when I first arrived about > midnight. The first party I went to at that space was Sillier and I > would say for H.K. they crammed about a 150 or more people in there this > time.. Unfortunately I missed Greg's set, I haven't heard him in months, > I guess I will just have to catch him another time. In the up stairs > chill room there was no music for awhile but that was soon rectified with > a little help from a fairy. (we all thank you Drea) I wondered why they > didn't have a ambient dj or something up there? I sure do know a few that > would have loved to do the party. The crowd was absolutely fabulous but > I was a little disappointed with the lack of Halloween costuming, I guess > I expected more outrageous costumes. I would also agree that there where > some grumpy people working that party, I tried to help clean up the > upstairs when they began hurding people downstairs, I made some comment > about the creation of ah inspiring "Raver Funk" and this guy started > grumbling under his breath about "just fucken pick up the shit and get he > hell out of there" I am sorry but that didn't make me want to help > anymore. I also introduced myself to another of the H.K. group earlier > that evening and pretty much got the same vibe. I hope they were just > tired and such because I found that those H.K. aren't very happy I am > sorry I wasn't to impressed with their attitude. > > But all in all I had a great halloween and even if they didn't enjoy > putting on the party or what ever I still thank them very much for it. > > RLove > > P.S. if anyone went home with a toy from my grab bag feel free e-mail me > and tell me how you used them later. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 03 23:58:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20974 invoked by uid 6000); 3 Nov 1997 23:58:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 20963 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 23:58:19 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 23:58:19 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-89.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.89]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA02036 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:58:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345E6557.42F5@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:59:19 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Post much? Thanks. References: <3.0.3.32.19971103145811.0069e9f4@napanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Levi Butterfield wrote: > I thought that's what the list was for, I like it when I see five or > eight posts all in a row by the same person.... Thank you people!! > .Trick Pot. Yeah i like this list because i get to read varios opinions and learn about many different things. I belong to a couple of lists that only get a post every few days or less...never any real conversations. I like what byroni writes ( and many others too). I have a suspicion that many people quiet because they feel what they have to say is unimportant or boring or whatever. I would like to encourage those people to speak up and add your unique flavor to this huge electronic fruit salad. So what flavor are you? ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 00:07:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24551 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 00:07:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 24491 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 00:07:29 -0000 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (mayer@192.100.81.115) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 00:07:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) with SMTP id QAA07463; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:07:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711040007.QAA07463@netcom7.netcom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: netcom7.netcom.com: mayer@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Funky Tekno Tribe" Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Hooverphonic (was Re: Thanks from Funky Tekno Tribe ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Nov 97 02:58:32 PST." <19971103110434771.AAA120@mohan> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 97 16:07:23 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk who/what are Hooverphonic?? NP: DJ Pippi (Ibiza) mix CD! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ==>> Niels Mayer (mayer@netcom.com) <<== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 00:08:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25171 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 00:08:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 24878 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 00:07:50 -0000 Received: from ella.mills.edu (144.91.3.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 00:07:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 2697 invoked by uid 2699); 3 Nov 1997 16:06:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:06:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Priscilla M. Martinez" To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Post much? Thanks. In-Reply-To: <345E6557.42F5@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey huns! you foolish fish you! can you read my mind? i just wrote to byroni that i like his frequent posts and wish i would do more cept that i am somewhat self-conscious about what i would write (except for easy things like party reviews). i tend to do the personal i-like-what-you-had-to-say response. my mind is so crammed with biochem and physics i sometimes forget how to articulate myself without using the words hemoglobin and gravity. i hope everyone has an *AmAZiNg* week. take care dears. con amor y paz priscilla On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > Levi Butterfield wrote: > > > I thought that's what the list was for, I like it when I see five or > > eight posts all in a row by the same person.... Thank you people!! > > .Trick Pot. > > Yeah i like this list because i get to read varios opinions and > learn about many different things. I belong to a couple of lists > that only get a post every few days or less...never any real > conversations. I like what byroni writes ( and many others too). > > I have a suspicion that many people quiet because they > feel what they have to say is unimportant or boring or whatever. > I would like to encourage those people to speak up and add > your unique flavor to this huge electronic fruit salad. > > So what flavor are you? > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 00:10:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28417 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 00:10:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 28408 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 00:10:48 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 00:10:48 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10196 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA19225; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:04:48 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:12:57 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: sweatboxes & health issues Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk From: just jer CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: another H.K. .....great party, great crowd, too hot, too packed..... this is happening a lot these days, it seems. Remember back in the old days, kids were dying at parties in the UK. Everyone thought it was overdoses; then it was discovered that they were dying of heat strokes! I think it should be promoters responsibility to rent air conditioning units to cool the dancefloor down. Fans just don't do the trick! They couldn't be that much to rent; or even buy second hand. They'd probably do wonders to take the condensation out of the air and prevent people from having a miserable time. I dunno...I feel like I've wasted too many nights going to parties where overheating is a serious problem. It's really hard to have a good time in those conditions. Promoters? b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 00:25:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2657 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 00:25:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 2645 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 00:25:12 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 00:25:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104002302.1654.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web4; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:23:02 PST Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:23:02 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... To: jeremy bispo Cc: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i'd have to say play nice, hands down. met so many people (i think i even talked some sfravers without knowing it), gave and received so many hugs, danced so hard, and the beach location was amazing. and i've been raving for almost a decade! a truly perfect evening... -messiah ps. cant believe i missed happy kids, i really wanted to go, but we couldn't escape the castro (which was a pretty crazy scene!) in time. i'll have to wear my messiah costume again next year... ---jeremy bispo wrote: > > > hey Kidz~ > > after reading tha reviews of HTM and Happy Kidz... > I'm interested in ... What was your favorite > party/rave ? > > for me it's still a tie between Cloud Factory > Condensation and True Love... for different reasons > of course...condensation was tha 1 st time i remember > a certain dj... before dat they all ran in to > eachother... and true love... that vibe was so > thick... it coulda been cut wit a butta > knife...straight butta baby... > > How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? > and WHY? > > love jeremy > > see ya @ VIBERATIONS & WONDER on tha NOV. 14th & 15th > > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 00:36:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6277 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 00:36:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 6265 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 00:36:42 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 00:36:42 -0000 Received: from shorvitz.pbi.net (csota-206-171-132-175.csota.pbi.net [206.171.132.175]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id QAA16636 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:36:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971103163505.01520d54@postoffice.pacbell.net> X-Sender: sutekh@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:35:05 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Seth Subject: Static and Sutekh mixtapes (BSP) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey everyone, I always seem to forget to post this info until it's too late, so here it is... Tomorrow night at Static we will have a special birthday set by Sean Murray of the Pacific/Sunset crew along with sets by resident jockeys Quantum23 and Sutekh (that's me :) I apologize to anyone who was treated rudely by the "door guy". He was not there last week and hopefully will not be there this week. If he is, we promise to keep him under our belt. It is a 21+ venue though, so unfortunately we do have to check id's. Hey, if alcohol was all ages, then our club would be too :) Hope to see you there! And one more bit of shameless promotion... I have mixtapes available now for $8 at Drop Beat Records in Oakland ( http://www.dropbeat.com ), or as always, you can buy them at Static for $5 or mail order them for $7. Okay, I'm done. -Seth |||| dj.sutekh |||| belief-systems |||| http://www.belief-systems.com |||| http://www.nodeone.com/static From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 00:43:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7838 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 00:43:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 7829 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 00:43:40 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 00:43:40 -0000 Received: from shorvitz.pbi.net (csota-206-171-132-175.csota.pbi.net [206.171.132.175]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id QAA19473 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:43:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971103164204.015204e4@postoffice.pacbell.net> X-Sender: sutekh@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:42:04 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Seth Subject: Re: Static and Sutekh mixtapes (BSP) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971103163505.01520d54@postoffice.pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Duh... I forgot to mention the address: Static is 10pm-2am every Tuesday at Liquid 2925 16th St. at South Van Ness in sunny SF 2 buck cover -Seth From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 00:48:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9153 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 00:48:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 9143 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 00:48:15 -0000 Received: from galaxy.galstar.com (anarchy@204.251.80.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 00:48:15 -0000 Received: (from anarchy@localhost) by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA07690 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:48:11 -0600 (CST) From: "U.A.A." Message-Id: <199711040048.SAA07690@galaxy.galstar.com> Subject: Re: where did the magic go? To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:48:11 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hello again, I read this and thought a lot about what he said. The best way I can think to compare this feeling is that of Dumbo the elephant. The feather wasn't magic but just a symbol, something physical for dumbo to believe in rather than believe in himself. That is where the magic lies. We were all at one time innocent, naive if you will. Never been to a rave. Never heard techno in all its wonderous forms. Never enlightened to this wonderful thing called life. It is that first awakening that we remember the most. That one moment when you truly felt alive and apart of something bigger, better, more special. But after that you can never go back. Its that loss of innocence, loss of virginity. Its that sudden one time rush that we think we miss the most. I think that people strive to much to sustain that feeling rather than move forward and explore the rest of all that is out there. People are constantly trying to find that magic formula that caused them to have that great and wnderful experience. A certain drug that was taken, certain people that you were with. But always miss the mark. They get caught up in this constant search for what was never lost just simply misplaced or forgotten. > > The magic is in that part when a promoter decides to get buck nutty, and > get the big sound system even though it means only breaking even. > > The magic is in going to the party where you don't know anyone, to see the > scene for what it is, not a bunch of friends who go to the same events > every weekend. Think about your first few parties. You didn't know anyone but the people you came with, but left feeling like you met and hugged everyone that night. The music and faces were new. The experience was new. > > The magic is in the records that the DJ keeps at the back of their bag, > that they've wanted to play forever, but never hads the guts or chance > to... > > The magic is when that record gets dropped on the decks, and everybody > loves it as much as the freak who dropped it. > > The magic is in putting out a mixtape with a mistake on it, because it has > a certain energy that makes you bounce in your drivers seat. > > The magic is that lighting program that makes it look like the floor just > raised a couple feet, and everybody was riding it. > > The magic is in a visual that makes you realize that we are no better than > a group of aborignies dancing around a fire, or a child fascinated with a > light, or a deer staring at a skyscraper in the distance and wondering > > why? <. > > The magic is everybody's responsibility. > I have gone to a lot of parties where it seems like everyone but myself had a really bad time. And I think back and yeah there was some whacked shit at that party etc... but I didn't let it affect me or the good time I was going to have that evening. Partially I think it has to do with experience. I plan and preempt certain events that can ruin an evening (which everyone should do) and this just makes my life and everyone's that I am with a whole lot smoother and less hectic. But most of all it has to do with myself. This past weekend isn't what I would call the most positive experience I have had in a while but just for an hour or two I tuned out all that was going on and danced I didn't really care for the song that was playing but I had my groove buddy Tom. I didn't care that it was hot, my feet hurt, and all that was going on All that seemed to matter was the energy flowing between me, tom and everyone else dancing. I think we lose focus to what is truly important. A certain type of music that we like or don't like, a certain type of dress or drug choice. WE ALL are victims but at the same time creators of this (sur)reality. When in truth its just a bunch of people coming together with hopes to experience that something special. It is for me and should be an escape. An escape from the everyday that forces me the square peg into the round hole. An escape from the ignorance that surrounds me and the misunderstanding that it brings. An escape from a society that claims to care but acts just the opposite. If you go to your next party with the attitude and mindset to have a good time dance your ass off no matter what kinda of music is playing. Smile and hug all the people you don't know. Go to a party sober for once, or do drugs for the first time in a long while, I can't promise that you will once again feel the magic, but something will happen. And hey you might once again feel that thing that made you fall in love with the music, people, scene in the first place. I know that I have grown more and more critical and that bothers me. Take off the blinders that you have put on yourself, and like the first time you will once again see. I will do my best to take mine off. Life is so so short and each day it grows shorter. Smile, hugs and much love to everyone, Herb From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 00:50:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9801 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 00:50:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 9791 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 00:50:05 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 00:50:05 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id QAA24865; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:46:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345E7358.C9803AB6@best.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:59:04 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Customer Service CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sweatboxes & health issues References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk actually.... it's pretty simple to fix the problem... you've just gotta know how to move air. If you put fans in the right places to suck hot humid air out, and bring in cool air, then it's all good =) I set up the ventilation system up at the last happy kids over at minna, and found a door that had roof access.... I stuck a fan in a hole up there to suck all the hot air out (hot air rises). I opened up a window and sucked all the cold air in the room. cold air being sucked in, hot air being sucked out. worked great until people screwed with the whole thing. but it was definately a lot cooler in there than some of the other parties I've been to in there.... I never understood why people just stuck fans in the dance rooms to blow hot air around. really though.... it is a problem and a health risk. could you imagine if they were spinning hardcore all night in that room.... woooo weeee.... we would of had people passing out all over the place =) peace.jer Customer Service wrote: > > From: just jer > CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: another H.K. > > .....great party, great crowd, too hot, too packed..... > > this is happening a lot these days, it seems. Remember back in the old days, > kids were dying at parties in the UK. Everyone thought it was overdoses; then > it was discovered that they were dying of heat strokes! > > I think it should be promoters responsibility to rent air conditioning > units to cool the dancefloor down. Fans just don't do the trick! They > couldn't be that much to rent; or even buy second hand. They'd probably do > wonders to take the condensation out of the air and prevent people from > having a miserable time. > > I dunno...I feel like I've wasted too many nights going to parties where > overheating is a serious problem. It's really hard to have a good time in > those conditions. > > Promoters? > > b > o > o > m > e f i d g e t > r > a > n > g H > ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr > ARETH > EFACTSYO > UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- > > \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// > "...the end of all our exploring > will be to arrive where we started > and know the place for the first time." > - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 00:57:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11968 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 00:57:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 11958 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 00:57:36 -0000 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.103) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 00:57:36 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id QAA08967; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:57:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: Rumor about Crystal Method? To: "George E. Jimenez" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971103130421.018e9c50@wrs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yeah, this passed through Socal-Raves... aparently if I remember right, the two dudes from CM were chilling at this place either right before or right after a gig and the place got busted! The judge let them off though, because htey said they had been broguht there with other folks... they were not part of the lab itself (you know what I mean?). So they aren't in jail or anything. On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, George E. Jimenez wrote: > Hey folks, > > > Over the weekend, someone told me that a couple of members of the Crystal Method got busted in...get this, A METH LAB, of all places! > > > Has anyone else heard this and/or can attest to the validity of this rumor? > > > Thanks, > > > G > > > > > 0000,0000,8080************************************************* > > 8080,0000,0000"If you obey all the rules, > then you miss all the fun." > > -Katherine Hepburn > > 0000,0000,8080************************************************* > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 01:00:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12776 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 01:00:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12760 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 01:00:17 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 01:00:17 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TOP17969; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 19:20:16 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 05:48:44 -0800 Subject: Re: where did the magic go? Message-ID: <19971103.055040.2702.7.drek1@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,13,16-18,20-26,28-39,48-49,62-72,79-87,89-90,99-104 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:12:12 -0800 (PST) AndyW writes: > >The magic is in that part when a promoter decides to get buck nutty, >and get the big sound system even though it means only breaking even. Yeah, I know what characteristics make up the magic of it all. Can you tell me the FTT went buck nutty and just barely broke even for a huge stereo system? Uhhh, no. Not at thirty bucks a pop. Apperently the money is more interesting than the magic. I know what the magic is and I'm not saying it's completely dead. What I'm saying is that in the massive scene the amount of "don't give a fuck" attitude is way to present. If you would remember I made reference to the UG scene. Now the UG is incredibly full of this magic that you talk about and if you can't notice you have to be fucking idiot. Seeing as I go to lots of undergrounds, I don't think that there is a need to remind me what the magical parts of the scene are. I still see them. It's just I don't see them in the massive scene. >The magic is in going to the party where you don't know anyone, to see >the scene for what it is, not a bunch of friends who go to the same events >every weekend. I know. I've done it plenty times all over the world. >The magic is everybody's responsibility. Again, this is why I think the magic has been completely sucked out the massive scene. Well, maybe not completely but for the most part. >At your first party, the props and the music and the people and the >lights >and the lasers and the visuals and the chemicals and the vibe and the >DJs >and the personalities and those little things that happen are all >amazing. >They still are. You're just a little bit accustomed to it all you >cynical >jerk you... They are still plenty amazing. But when you're in a chill room hoping to hear some nice kick back shit at a massive and all you notice is a bunce of OG gangsters bobbin' their heads to hip hop music, something isn't right in my idea of a rave and it doesn't seem the least bit as magical as the chill room at Superlove in April. If my experiences went something like you described in that I'm just a bit accustomed to it than I would've stopped raving 8 months ago. There is always great parties going on with magic even flowing out the flyer that is put out. What I'm saying is that I can't find that shit in the massive scene for nothing. You obviously don't know me to judge me by calling me a "cynical jerk you". Whatever. Ask anybody who knows me and they'll say that I'm a very kind and open person to whatever situation I'm in. If I'm in a party with all the same DJ's I've seen countless times I'll still find much pleasure in it. But at the same time, if I'm dancing' to this DJ and I see all these asshole jocks and OG gangsters that went to my high school all cracked out on crystal meth, then I think I think I have a right to say that the magic is obviously less than when I went to Love Affair or Eminence or Freedom. You know, seeing as your getting, not very much but slightly, hostile for me posting my opinion about what I think the scene in the massive sense has become, maybe you're just a bit insecure and realize the same as I but just don't want to admit it. Who knows? >The other side of it comes down to caring for yourself and caring for >others. The chemicals are fairly reliable. When I do A, I feel A. >When >I do B, I feel B. It's easy to make a constant out of drugs, but I >think >I speak for anybody who's been around them for a while... your going >to >get a handful of questions but no answers from that route. Different people must have different experiences because, yes there have been times where questions collected while on the drugs but I've also found many answers while under the influence of drugs. I found out how to have a different, more passive and optemistic outlook towards life. I didn't realize to adopt this idea till I first candy flipped. Just because you may be unlucky as to not find answers to some problems that come up while on drugs, doesn't mean it's the same for everybody. > If you >like >what chemicals do, let your body go clean and you'll really appreciate >them when you try them again a couple months later, or you might >realize >that they didn't bring that much to your life to begin with. I think I made a point in the thread before about moderation. That is key to happiness and must be used in everything done. The whole fact that you made many a judgements about me in the message is wrong; and as far as I know, we don't know each other. Therefore, I don't think it's fair to call me cynical and shit. Every party I go to I try to make sure to give it its due credit for atleast something small that is cool if there's nothing else, it's just that in the massive scene the amount of that is becoming smaller. Basically, the massive scene has been robbed of the idea of what a rave is about. The UG scene, it still flourishes and I don't see it going away at any time soon. It's just that the massive scene is becoming shot to hell. Have a good day. >From the Old Cynical one, dErEk From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 01:07:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15102 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 01:07:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 15093 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 01:07:10 -0000 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.103) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 01:07:10 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id RAA09769; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:07:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:07:06 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: sweatboxes & health issues To: just jer cc: Customer Service , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <345E7358.C9803AB6@best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I remember Jer climbing up in that place to stick the fan in there and getting yelled at by the guy from Minna... it was hella funny! :D On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, just jer wrote: > actually.... it's pretty simple to fix the problem... you've just gotta > know how to move air. If you put fans in the right places to suck hot > humid air out, and bring in cool air, then it's all good =) I set up the > ventilation system up at the last happy kids over at minna, and found a > door that had roof access.... I stuck a fan in a hole up there to suck > all the hot air out (hot air rises). I opened up a window and sucked all > the cold air in the room. cold air being sucked in, hot air being sucked > out. worked great until people screwed with the whole thing. but it was > definately a lot cooler in there than some of the other parties I've > been to in there.... > > I never understood why people just stuck fans in the dance rooms to blow > hot air around. > > really though.... it is a problem and a health risk. could you imagine > if they were spinning hardcore all night in that room.... woooo > weeee.... we would of had people passing out all over the place =) > > > peace.jer > > > Customer Service wrote: > > > > From: just jer > > CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: another H.K. > > > > .....great party, great crowd, too hot, too packed..... > > > > this is happening a lot these days, it seems. Remember back in the old days, > > kids were dying at parties in the UK. Everyone thought it was overdoses; then > > it was discovered that they were dying of heat strokes! > > > > I think it should be promoters responsibility to rent air conditioning > > units to cool the dancefloor down. Fans just don't do the trick! They > > couldn't be that much to rent; or even buy second hand. They'd probably do > > wonders to take the condensation out of the air and prevent people from > > having a miserable time. > > > > I dunno...I feel like I've wasted too many nights going to parties where > > overheating is a serious problem. It's really hard to have a good time in > > those conditions. > > > > Promoters? > > > > b > > o > > o > > m > > e f i d g e t > > r > > a > > n > > g H > > ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr > > ARETH > > EFACTSYO > > UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- > > > > \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// > > "...the end of all our exploring > > will be to arrive where we started > > and know the place for the first time." > > - t.s. eliot > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 01:24:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19418 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 01:24:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 19401 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 01:24:16 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 01:24:16 -0000 Received: (from ldylove@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TmB17969; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 19:56:17 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:30:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Post much? Thanks. Message-ID: <19971103.164954.5863.2.ldylove@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-7,9-56 From: ldylove@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In agreement here. I have only been on the list for about a month but everyday I look forward to the fish and byroni's posts. Keep the poetry coming please, it makes my heart flutter and my brain think, I love that combination. RLove On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:06:37 -0800 (PST) "Priscilla M. Martinez" writes: > >hey huns! > >you foolish fish you! can you read my mind? i just wrote to byroni >that i >like his frequent posts and wish i would do more cept that i am >somewhat >self-conscious about what i would write (except for easy things like >party reviews). i tend to do the personal >i-like-what-you-had-to-say response. my mind is so crammed with >biochem >and physics i sometimes forget how to articulate myself without using >the >words hemoglobin and gravity. i hope everyone has an *AmAZiNg* week. >take >care dears. > >con amor y paz >priscilla > >On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > >> Levi Butterfield wrote: >> >> > I thought that's what the list was for, I like it when I see >five or >> > eight posts all in a row by the same person.... Thank you people!! >> > .Trick Pot. >> >> Yeah i like this list because i get to read varios opinions and >> learn about many different things. I belong to a couple of lists >> that only get a post every few days or less...never any real >> conversations. I like what byroni writes ( and many others too). >> >> I have a suspicion that many people quiet because they >> feel what they have to say is unimportant or boring or whatever. >> I would like to encourage those people to speak up and add >> your unique flavor to this huge electronic fruit salad. >> >> So what flavor are you? >> >> ><{{{"> <"}}}>< >> >> foolish fish >> > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 01:24:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19887 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 01:24:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 19706 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 01:24:21 -0000 Received: from muspelheim.pc.cs.cmu.edu (HELO avalon.slackers.net) (skoop@128.2.204.80) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 01:24:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (skoop@localhost) by avalon.slackers.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11695; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:23:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:23:59 -0500 (EST) From: jimg/skoop To: AH cc: moveable-parts list , sfraves Subject: bsp: what you get crossing a fatman and an xd-5 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I just threw up a new track on my webspace featuring a fatman and an xd-5. constructive comments encouraged and welcome...it's in RA 3.0 format, 28.8 stereo. 4x32 bars of XD-5 loops, 1x32 bars of Fatman, and 1x32 bars of DW8000, with a bit of Poly800 played on top. Mixed down live. URL is http://www.slackers.net/~skoop/sounds/nova.ram if that doesn't work for ya try http://www.slackers.net/~skoop/sounds/nova.ra (you'll have to download it) thanks, -jimg --skoop@slackers.net --http://www.slackers.net/~skoop From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 01:49:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28629 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 01:49:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 28620 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 01:49:57 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 01:49:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104014415.3671.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web1; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:44:15 PST Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:44:15 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: where did the majik go? To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey, i just gotta throw in my two cents here... i'm probably a little older than a lot of people on this list (though not all of them i'm sure) and i really hate to hear people complaining about younger people coming to raves. personally, the youthful enthusiasm i feel at these events are a big part of why i like them - i find it's really infectious in the best way. we were all sixteen once, and probably a few of us might have been taking drugs at that point in our lives as well. i for one don't have any regrets about it - i experimented with certain substances at a fairly early age, and still managed to find myself a happy, healthy person years down the road, with a good job and everything. i don't think those early drug experiences were wasted on me because of my age. if anything i believe they've made me a better person, if perhaps a little less orthodox. i suspect that a lot of the kids with serious drug problems probably have other problems they're trying to escape from. and if it weren't e and a and meth it would be alcohol or heroin instead - probably alone in their bedrooms or driving around, rather than a (fairly) safe and (occasionally) caring environment like a rave. finally, sure a lot of these kids are hyper fashion concious, anxious to look cool to their friends, etc. but aren't we all a little like that sometimes? and if some of them are those jocks/bettys us oddball/outsiders were trying to get away from in the first place, well, maybe there's some hope that we can change them for the better. i've seen it happen... -messiah w ---*byroni* wrote: > > > I can't agree with you more brother... > > When I go to a party I really just focus on the music, visuals, > spirituality, and that special someone if she's with me. I don't waste my > energy watching other people, being concerened with them or watching > circles of dancing ego-trippers. It has always been about my love for the > music and my interest in high levels of consciousness. > > I'm becoming very disenchanted with parties in general. Other than the > parties thrown by Vlad and Martin I have little or no interest in spending > my time or money at massives. The entire *rave* culture has > metamorphisized into a mass of 16 year old school kids. Not only do they > (generally) a) have no clue whose spinning at any given time b) listen to > the music 1/2 the time b) take drugs to *fit in* and end up going > overboard and getting sick and feeling shitty all night. Then they want > you to baby sit them. This ruins the entire experience. I feel like kids > shouldn't even be let into these parties. Especially since drug usage is > so prevelent.. I'm a 22 year old adult indirectly condoning kids > getting wasted. They don't even know who they are and they're taking all > these extremely powerful chemicals on a regular basis. It's just wrong. > This alone will destroy the scene. Once this generation of ravers become > disenchanted with the scene and start talking shit about it. I dunno. It's > such a high level thing and all these people are stuck in the physical. > They don't realize how magical this all is. it's not something you do to > fit in, it's something you do to get a better understanding of yourself, > others and the universe as a whole. Music, chemicals and visuals.... take > you places.... and I don't think most of these kids are ready for it... or > even aware of where they're going to be taken. > > And to add a little more.... I'm so sick of all these Tommy Hilfiger > wearing kids... trying so hard to fit in... wearing clothes that are so > overpriced... and they must feel like they have to be wearing what > everyone else is.... I remember being this way.. wanting to wear the new > Nikes back in 5th and 6th grade... but now it's not shoes that these kids > are doing to fit it... it's so much more... and the consiquences are so > much greater.... > > And once little Debi starts raving with her friends... and starts having > all these powerful experiences.... what could compare to this?? In no way > would a date to the movies with Johnny Jones compare... who wants to go > home by 9??? Why not stay out all night and have a mind blowing (no pun > intended) experience?? What is better than that? Raving is the ultimate > exerience.... and once you attain such a life style it's hard to get out > of it if you're in it for the wrong reasons... and eventually their lives > lead into a downward spiral.... and only the ones that are true to > themselves and the scene will prevail... and the little ravers will all be > home alone, depressed and lonely.. wondering what happened to the times of > raving with their friends and realized the stupid decisions they made > based on what their friends were doing... and where are those friends > now??? sigh... > > Before it was something you would do because you loved the music... now > it's passing all barriers of lifestyles that everyone is getting into it.. > and this includes the people and ideals that Derek and myself wanted to > get away from.... Raving was meant to be a thing for people who really > cared about the world and others.... and wanted to spend time in more > spiritually aware environment.... but now people see how much $$$ they > can make and are exploiting this magic.... there is no price tag placed > on a night that is filled with magic... a night that enlightens you... a > night that changes you forever... a night like Love Affair, Freedom, > Basics, etc.... lets think about the long term destruction of this magic > instead of short term financial gain... > > I could go on forever..... it's just that this entire scene is so > important to me... and the way it makes me feel is unparalleled... it's > what I'm about as a 22 year old... in this fvcked up society, corrupt > government, this dieing world... it's a passion... and it's being torn out > of my arms... > > Byroni > > On Sat, 1 Nov 1997, Derek J Fieldsoe wrote: > > > For sure, that has to be the last massive I'm ever going to. Spent an > > evening at HTM, sober for the most part, and had a chance to get a good > > look into how much it has changed in the past year or so. I remember > > when I would go to a massive, I would have such an antsy feeling of > > anticipation and it would be satisfied. I can't even have that feeling > > anymore because I know that I'll probably be let down. It's just that > > parties like Eminence and Love Affair were magical. The last three > > massives I've gone to (Juggernaut, Big Top, HTM) have been incredible > > dissapointments. It just seems like the massive scene has become so > > warped and superficial. It hella bugs. Everything I tried so hard to > > get away from (in terms of social stuff) when I was getting into the > > scene has now followed me here. Cliques, warped ideas that drugs are a > > right not a privilage, shitty vibe as a result. I mean fuck, Byron and I > > witnessed some asshole making a fool of himself trying to start a fight. > > I don't know. Maybe I've just gotten all that I can from this scene > > (massives; UG is a whole different world). In a scene that once had such > > incredible diversity, I'm now noticing an amazing amount of conformity. > > > > Hey, atleast thanks to the Teknodiva, I was able to steal hella records > > and mixtapes and stuff. I got more cd's from that place than I would buy > > in six months. > > > > Well, just frustrated with what it has become. > > > > dErEk > > > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 01:55:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 558 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 01:55:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 548 invoked by uid 24); 4 Nov 1997 01:55:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 13148 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 21:49:21 -0000 Received: from bw.cea.edu (206.14.112.225) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 21:49:21 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by bw.cea.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07423 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.184.133.167] (forestg.vip.best.com [206.184.133.167]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id NAA24759; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:29:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:42:18 -0900 To: cloudfactory@cloudfactory.org From: forestg@best.com (groovechild) Subject: SPIN CYCLE / TUESDAY Nov. 4th 7PM / Monterey!!! Cc: knucklehead , basslist@bw.cea.edu, dana , Elizabeth Gips , lola*mar , rhoda@NormSki.com, sisterdjs@lists.imagina.com, Terry Estioko , vuphoria@artlover.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey Cloud Groovers, Wanna dance like there are ants in your freakin' pants? Well then come and get your GROOVE on at Cloud Factory's SPIN CYCLE this Tuesday, Nov. 4th at 7PM!!! ;) and... Especially if you live semi-close to Monterey!!! =) DJ Ki droppin' dangerous jump up jungle tracks and Forest Green layin' down smoothed out funky ass house grooves!!! ~until it HURTS~ ~oh yeah~ Come by and say Hi, and shake that rump of yours!!! ;) Hope to see you there!!! Directions will be posted soon!!! Love, Forest They say it's the music... It's the music.... (Meat Beat Manifesto) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 01:57:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1717 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 01:57:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 1708 invoked by uid 24); 4 Nov 1997 01:57:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 18993 invoked by uid 25); 3 Nov 1997 22:11:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:11:21 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Thomas To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: crystal method bust (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/lofi/971030/971030_1673.shtml ---- News Flash: Crystal Method Duo Evade Drug Charges DA rejects charging Ken Jordan and Scott Kirkland (pictured) pending further evidence of involvement with L.A. 'liquid ecstasy' lab. The district attorney's office has rejected filing charges against Crystal Method's Ken Jordan and Scott Kirkland following their arrest by Los Angeles police in a raid on a 'liquid ecstasy' lab in the city's downtown. However, an investigation into the electronica duo's involvement with the alleged drug laboratory is continuing. In their defense, Jordan and Kirkland claim that they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. "It was like being in a movie -- the whole house was overrun by police," Kirkland said in a prepared statement issued Wednesday. "The building was being circled by helicopters with spotlights..." The rock techno team, whose recently-released Outpost Records debut, Vegas features their hits "Trip Like I Do" and "Keep Hope Alive," were arraigned on Tuesday (Oct. 28) and released after posting $200,000 bail over the weekend, following the arrest last Friday. Officer Eduardo Funes of the LAPD said the pair were among eight people arrested during the 12:30 a.m. raid by the LAPD's Clandestine Laboratory Squad. Approximately three gallons (or the equivalent of more than 2,000 doses) of what is suspected to be Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate (GHB), a strong sedative-like drug which has become popular on the rave scene, were seized during the raid. The early morning raid was conducted after two days of surveillance of the lab, which police claim was making the drug for sale. The arrests were the first under a newly-enacted health and safety code section which makes GHB possession a felony. On Tuesday, a district attorney rejected filing charges against five of the eight suspects, including Kirkland and Jordan, pending further investigation, Funes said. "The DA's office rejected the filing against them, but the other three were held to answer to charges of possession with intent to sell," Funes said. "There are no charges pending now, unless more evidence of their involvement in the sale of this controlled substance is found." Kirkland and Jordan said that they ended up at the house where the raid took place after attending the Jane's Addiction dress rehearsel show at L.A.'s Olympic Auditorium. They had stopped by the home of a D.J. friend, according to a press release, to drop off copies of their new album when the raid beganon the alleged drug den. GHB, whose street name is "liquid ecstasy," is a staple on the late-night rave dance scene, which has long been associated with various psychotropic drugs. Originally developed in the early '80s as an anesthetic, the drug creates a sense of euphoria, while enhancing the sense of touch. However, it can cause users to nod-off and pass out, or, in some cases, have epileptic seizures. Detective Trinka Porrata of the LAPD's Narcotics division, who helped write the recently-enacted legislation that effectively outlawed both GHB and the "date rape" drug Rohypnol in California, said as many as 21 U.S. deaths in the past four years have been linked to GHB use. "It's a very unpredictable drug which could bring euphoria for one person and kill another," said Porrata, who added that the drug is believed to have been a factor in the death of actor River Phoenix. "We really started seeing cases of kids passing out from GHB last summer," said Porrata. "Four kids collapsed in Hollywood, two of whom were dead and brought back to life." L.A.-based party promoter Steven Hagemann, 38, was recently sentenced to 77 years on 45 counts of rape and poisoning using GHB to knock out victims, according to Porrata. In its official bio, the band explain that its name, seemingly a reference to the highly-addictive amphetamine drug crystal meth, which might explain the song titles "Trip Like I Do," "Vapor Trail" and "She's My Pusher," is actually derived from a woman named Crystal whom Jordan and Kirkland simultaneously had a crush on. "A friend of ours, a rapper, heard about our little dilemma and blurted out, 'Ah, the Crystal Method.' We just liked the way it sounded," Kirkland explains. The band is still expected to play the Funky Tekno Tribe Halloween rave in San Francisco this Friday alongside Josh Wink, King Britt, Junior Sanchez, DJ Food and Kid Koala. The band will kick off their first North American headlining tour on Nov. 7 in Philadelphia -- Gil Kaufman [Wed., Oct. 29, 1997, 6 p.m. PDT] From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 01:58:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2256 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 01:58:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 2246 invoked by uid 24); 4 Nov 1997 01:58:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 10195 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1997 23:29:13 -0000 Received: from emout07.mx.aol.com (HELO emout07.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 3 Nov 1997 23:29:13 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA02832 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:28:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:28:36 -0500 (EST) From: Dj4boom@aol.com Message-ID: <971103182526_-1641329986@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Boomerang on Haight wants DJs Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. Boomerang on Haight is looking for DJs to spin at a new weekly party there. If anyone wants more info just ask! B.T. dj4boom@aol.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 02:01:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4547 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 02:01:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 4537 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 02:01:11 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 02:01:11 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id SAA17878 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:01:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from bret by cats-po-1 (8.6.13/4.8) id SAA28403; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:01:06 -0800 Message-ID: <345E81E4.4451@cats.ucsc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:01:08 -0800 From: Bret Veach Reply-To: bmveach@cats.ucsc.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... References: <19971103185251.8847.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk There are a few parties that stick out in my mind; The Gathering, this summer in montreal, Mind Candy, this summer in Massachusetts, and Superlove and Happy kids re make last year. I don't think I could really say one was best. Each one has it's own distinct sentimental value. love, Bret jeremy bispo wrote: > > hey Kidz~ > > after reading tha reviews of HTM and Happy Kidz... > I'm interested in ... What was your favorite > party/rave ? > > for me it's still a tie between Cloud Factory > Condensation and True Love... for different reasons > of course...condensation was tha 1 st time i remember > a certain dj... before dat they all ran in to > eachother... and true love... that vibe was so > thick... it coulda been cut wit a butta > knife...straight butta baby... > > How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? > and WHY? > > love jeremy > > see ya @ VIBERATIONS & WONDER on tha NOV. 14th & 15th From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 02:02:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5766 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 02:02:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 5626 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 02:02:01 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 02:02:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (andy@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA17672 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:02:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:02:02 -0800 (PST) From: AndyW X-Sender: andy@atari Reply-To: AndyW To: S F Raves Subject: [BSP] Viberation Nov. 15th Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Viberation is pleased to announce our next event: :) _Sinister_ (: 11.15.97 In the left room... technotrancehousetweakandgroovevinylsynchologists Greg[Harmony] + Sho + Micron + Li + AndyW In the other left room... jungleruffabreakdrumandbasscrazedstepturntablistas Flux[BassKru] + ReAch + Meeks + Science + Siphon Tickets will be $10, and available SOON. Quanitites are limited, because, well... the space is only so big, and you need your room to dance, and we can respect that... we dance too. visuals by viberation sound by viberation/mutor/cloudfactory lights, new props, free water, free fruit Location < 15 minutes away from SF More info, call the Vibe-ro-phone @ 408-881-0898 or for you web enabled folks, check out our almost-website... http://www.saturn5.com/viberation/ Peace, AndyW We really look forward to seeing everyone there and >>>THANKYOU<<< from Terry and the whole crew for your support of our last few events! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 03:53:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1830 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 03:53:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 1821 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 03:53:39 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 03:53:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA12409; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:53:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:53:30 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: Noah Apodaca cc: just jer , Customer Service , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sweatboxes & health issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yea haha and then he forggot to put the fan back down and it was there for like 2 weeks! HAHAHA :) that was hella funny too! oh me oh my... On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Noah Apodaca wrote: > > I remember Jer climbing up in that place to stick the fan in there and > getting yelled at by the guy from Minna... it was hella funny! :D > > On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, just jer wrote: > > > actually.... it's pretty simple to fix the problem... you've just gotta > > know how to move air. If you put fans in the right places to suck hot > > humid air out, and bring in cool air, then it's all good =) I set up the > > ventilation system up at the last happy kids over at minna, and found a > > door that had roof access.... I stuck a fan in a hole up there to suck > > all the hot air out (hot air rises). I opened up a window and sucked all > > the cold air in the room. cold air being sucked in, hot air being sucked > > out. worked great until people screwed with the whole thing. but it was > > definately a lot cooler in there than some of the other parties I've > > been to in there.... > > > > I never understood why people just stuck fans in the dance rooms to blow > > hot air around. > > > > really though.... it is a problem and a health risk. could you imagine > > if they were spinning hardcore all night in that room.... woooo > > weeee.... we would of had people passing out all over the place =) > > > > > > peace.jer > > > > > > Customer Service wrote: > > > > > > From: just jer > > > CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: Re: another H.K. > > > > > > .....great party, great crowd, too hot, too packed..... > > > > > > this is happening a lot these days, it seems. Remember back in the old days, > > > kids were dying at parties in the UK. Everyone thought it was overdoses; then > > > it was discovered that they were dying of heat strokes! > > > > > > I think it should be promoters responsibility to rent air conditioning > > > units to cool the dancefloor down. Fans just don't do the trick! They > > > couldn't be that much to rent; or even buy second hand. They'd probably do > > > wonders to take the condensation out of the air and prevent people from > > > having a miserable time. > > > > > > I dunno...I feel like I've wasted too many nights going to parties where > > > overheating is a serious problem. It's really hard to have a good time in > > > those conditions. > > > > > > Promoters? > > > > > > b > > > o > > > o > > > m > > > e f i d g e t > > > r > > > a > > > n > > > g H > > > ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr > > > ARETH > > > EFACTSYO > > > UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- > > > > > > \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// > > > "...the end of all our exploring > > > will be to arrive where we started > > > and know the place for the first time." > > > - t.s. eliot > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 03:57:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3026 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 03:57:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 3017 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 03:57:32 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 03:57:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 18369 invoked by alias); 4 Nov 1997 03:57:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104035730.18365.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 18353 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 03:57:29 -0000 Received: from madmax-133.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.133) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 03:57:29 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: just jer Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:57:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sweatboxes & health issues Reply-to: Faro@usa.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-reply-to: <345E7358.C9803AB6@best.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > I never understood why people just stuck fans in the dance rooms to blow > hot air around. > > really though.... it is a problem and a health risk. could you imagine > if they were spinning hardcore all night in that room.... woooo > weeee.... we would of had people passing out all over the place =) > >I think it should be promoters responsibility to rent air >conditioning units to cool the dancefloor down. Fans just don't do >the trick! They couldn't be that much to rent; or even buy second >hand. They'd probably do wonders to take the condensation out of >the air and prevent people from having a miserable time. Hmm... Maybe this is a cleverly hidden plot to force the dancers to buy more *Expensive* bottled water in order to increase revenues. Or I could just be paraniod... hold on I think there's someone in my closet... whew... all clear! ;-) -Faro From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 04:56:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17335 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 04:56:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 17318 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 04:56:44 -0000 Received: from paradigm.partnercomm.com (ravedata@205.147.250.5) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 04:56:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (ravedata@localhost) by paradigm.partnercomm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24650; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:56:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:56:44 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Data Compiler X-Sender: ravedata@paradigm To: nyc-raves , fl-raves , sf-raves , socal-raves Subject: looking for... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey everyone- I am looking for some serious flyer traders...I have about 500 or 600 to trade with others...I want flyers from everywhere (if possible) if anyone is interested in trading with us let me know!Love- Nicole (& Matt) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The RAVEDATA Project ravedata@partnercomm.com flyer trades: www.partnercomm.com/~flyers mixtape trades: www.partnercomm.com/~tapes From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 04:57:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18235 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 04:57:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 18214 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 04:57:09 -0000 Received: from emout39.mx.aol.com (HELO emout39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.73) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 04:57:09 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout39.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA13128; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:56:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:56:26 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971103182442_377309488@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: breaker2000@hotmail.com cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: some qualms with HTM Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-03 04:22:06 EST, you write: Even though I had a bomb-ass time, too.. I wanna voice my two pennies... << 1.they had like 3 security guards searching at the door and 10 sitting around doing nothing... maybe they coulda helped get the line movin faster... but it wasnt THAT bad No.. actually, they said they were gonna open up one room until they had the other's finished setting up, but they lagged so bad they couldn't even do that. 2. Now i like big huge warehouses, but i dont like it when theres ONE big warehouse thats split up with big blankets, cause the music bleeds in together and you dont know where the fuck all the rooms are.. I dont know if any of you were in LA over the summer but a massive went on called willy wonka.. they had 5 rooms in 5 diff warehouses.. now THAT was a dope massive. This is actually the best set-up they've ever had.. Like Lara said, the jungle room was much better than the scary one say at Juggernaut?? And It was easy to get to another room, as opposed to how you used to have to run like half a mile to get from the chill space to the main room. 3. the Sound in the main room and the one behind it were pretty good but i thought the sound could have been better in the jungle room and the bubble room.. im used to BIG HUGE speakers stacked way high, not these dinky little boom boom's :) OUCH!! I had my supah-neato glow-in-the-blacklight earplugs in and I wuz still holding my head and going deaf. I thought the sound was plenty loud. (Now would be the appropriate time for you to graduate to *speaker tweaker*) 4. the floors were completely filthy. i could'nt breakdance with out my hands getting blacked by the oily gunk all over the floors.. Ah.. who remembers the first Area 51?? I wore my beautiful white fur pants... Hm.. yes.. and when I left they were my beautiful black fur pants. I had a line going from where my socks ended, all the way up my leg of solid dirt. EWWIE!! but yanno.. the warehouse gets cleaner with every use (right Derek?? =) ANd it's a rave.. yer supposed to get dirty =) It's tha "I"ve been partying all night trade mark" And if It means that I get to keep you happy and partying.. c'mon over.. I'll do your laundry. (OH NO!! NOw everyone's gonna line up down my street.. AURGH!!) 6. how come i didnt get any free water? This I do not know... I spent a good 45 minutes or so filling up all the free water with Teresa and this guy (what was his name.. MIKE??) There were at least 20, of the jugs that hold 5 gallons each. Don't trip.. all you were missing was hose water. (ever wonder why free water tastes so bad?) And after all that work we did, huh, Teresa? Well.. that's about it. Don't feel bad... if you had a good time at the party.. then dammit!! IT WAS WORTH IT!! hugs n'stuff, 'trice the tekno diva <<>>> "If I wasn't a Dj, I'd be a porn star because it's something I'd be really good at." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 04:59:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18850 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 04:58:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 18841 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 04:58:57 -0000 Received: from emout24.mx.aol.com (HELO emout24.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.129) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 04:58:57 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout24.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA18069; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:58:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:58:16 -0500 (EST) From: Wyvern47@aol.com Message-ID: <971103224448_865079260@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: mercutio73@rocketmail.com, SFRAVES@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-03 18:57:42 EST, mercutio73@rocketmail.com writes: > hey Kidz~ > > after reading tha reviews of HTM and Happy Kidz... > I'm interested in ... What was your favorite > party/rave ? > > for me it's still a tie between Cloud Factory > Condensation and True Love... for different reasons > of course...condensation was tha 1 st time i remember > a certain dj... before dat they all ran in to > eachother... and true love... that vibe was so > thick... it coulda been cut wit a butta > knife...straight butta baby... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ my first was CF's Condensation. my fav. is ASR's Play Nice. my fav. while being sober the whole night is HK's Halloween Party. thank you all for the unconditional good vibes! =) wuvs, -=wyv=- -Long (i'm the dood with a head full of trees @ happy kid's, hi!) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 05:05:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21118 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 05:05:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 21059 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 05:05:14 -0000 Received: from mb06.mx.aol.com (HELO mb06.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 05:05:14 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mb06.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA21995 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:04:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:04:43 -0500 (EST) From: ASYDFANMAN@aol.com Message-ID: <971104000349_137293846@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: a brand new me!!!!!!! nrrr Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk this weekend , when all of you were out partying, I had an experence that changed me forever. I attended the Landmark Forum. I learned about the way I treat people to get what I want, and how to stop the visous cycles that my life was caught up in. I learned how to talk about My being Assaulted, and nearly killed with a baseball bat. ( not a good experence) best of all, I learned to forgive, and love, my dad again. I laughed , and cried and rode an emotional roller coaster, and now I have my life back. My graduation Is tuesday night, the 4th of november 7:30 pm to 10:30 pm at 899 Howard on the corner of 5th on the 5th floor *you are all invited to attened *. this is also an introduction to the forum the introduction is free. and if you attened you will learn something to improve your life if you choose to enroll in the Landmark forum the cost is $325.00 and one weekend of your life I love you all, Carl Skaggs ( syd ) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 05:05:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21618 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 05:05:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 21609 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 05:05:30 -0000 Received: from mrin42.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin42.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.152) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 05:05:30 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin42.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA01878 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:04:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:04:38 -0500 (EST) From: ASYDFANMAN@aol.com Message-ID: <971104000349_137293846@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: a brand new me!!!!!!! nrrr Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk this weekend , when all of you were out partying, I had an experence that changed me forever. I attended the Landmark Forum. I learned about the way I treat people to get what I want, and how to stop the visous cycles that my life was caught up in. I learned how to talk about My being Assaulted, and nearly killed with a baseball bat. ( not a good experence) best of all, I learned to forgive, and love, my dad again. I laughed , and cried and rode an emotional roller coaster, and now I have my life back. My graduation Is tuesday night, the 4th of november 7:30 pm to 10:30 pm at 899 Howard on the corner of 5th on the 5th floor *you are all invited to attened *. this is also an introduction to the forum the introduction is free. and if you attened you will learn something to improve your life if you choose to enroll in the Landmark forum the cost is $325.00 and one weekend of your life I love you all, Carl Skaggs ( syd ) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 06:18:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4934 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 06:18:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 4924 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 06:18:41 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 06:18:41 -0000 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU (2433@am.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.26]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id WAA16984 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id WAA11691; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:18:39 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:18:39 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Ryan Spire X-Sender: soundz@am.UCSC.EDU To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: QUEST...bsp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well, we're getting really excited, and hope that you are too. There are less than 2 weeks before this event, and everyone is putting every last drop of energy into making it one of the best. An amazing floral artist is working on the scenery for the event. I don't want to ruin the surprise, so lets just say that it will blow you away, and be at least 50% edible. The entire line-up is confirme including both live acts. If you haven't seen a flyer, this is who is playing: Jeno...Eric Spire...Tony...Garth...Josh...Tracy...PHUNCKATECK:Noel & UFO!...Mei-Lwun...Brother...Tom L-G... plus live performances by SOULSTICE & Craig Russo It is such a weel rounded night of music, not to mention top notch. If you have any questions or comments, you can call SILVER PEARL at 408.460.9143 Otherwise, call one of the voice-mail lines for directions and up to date info. 408.278.5286 415.273.5912 510.287.5620 Untill the 15th.. Peace, ES From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 06:44:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8599 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 06:44:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 8589 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 06:44:16 -0000 Received: from norway-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO norway.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.49) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 06:44:16 -0000 Received: from 38.10.6.198 (ip198.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net [38.10.6.198]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11347; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:44:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345DB934.65FF@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:44:52 +0000 From: Fate Reply-To: rewindop@earthlink.net Organization: Up N Running X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fish1111@pacbell.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Post much? Thanks. References: <3.0.3.32.19971103145811.0069e9f4@napanet.net> <345E6557.42F5@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > > Levi Butterfield wrote: > > > I thought that's what the list was for, I like it when I see five or > > eight posts all in a row by the same person.... Thank you people!! > > .Trick Pot. > > Yeah i like this list because i get to read varios opinions and > learn about many different things. I belong to a couple of lists > that only get a post every few days or less...never any real > conversations. I like what byroni writes ( and many others too). > > I have a suspicion that many people quiet because they > feel what they have to say is unimportant or boring or whatever. > I would like to encourage those people to speak up and add > your unique flavor to this huge electronic fruit salad. > > So what flavor are you? > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish i mostly read the list, i only reply when prompted(and mostly get shot down). I would like to know why the party on Pier 42-44 was shut down at 2:00am???? I arrived at 12:00am and got in the door at 12:30, the vibe was good as i could see but it just went flat at 2:00am, I would love to have made it to the Massive as it sounded like many of the Parties in Europe that I went to(MayDay, et al). Unforntunatly I am a student and BROKE, five bones was the call(just wish it could have lasted longer). P>S> Like the vibe of this group, keep it going!!!! Fate From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 07:01:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11029 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 07:00:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 11019 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 07:00:54 -0000 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (17.254.0.51) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 07:00:54 -0000 Received: from scv4.apple.com (A17-128-100-142.apple.com [17.128.100.142]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06142 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:53:40 -0800 Received: from [17.128.200.118] (macip118.apple.com [17.128.200.118]) by scv4.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16400 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:53:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199711040653.WAA16400@scv4.apple.com> Subject: NRR: Landmark Forum (was Re: a brand new me!!!!!!! nrrr ) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 22:55:53 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Alex Rosenberg To: "sfraves" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > I attended the Landmark Forum. ... > *you are all invited to attened *. I advise everybody who would consider attending to investigate them first. Plenty of information on them both positive and negative is present on the net. While you're at it, look specifically at their methodology and compare and contrast it with the Church of Scientology, EST, AA, Werner Erhard, and similar organizations. I don't particularly like the "new" versions of some former friends of mine. -------------------------------------- | Alexander M. Rosenberg | | | | Nobody cares what I say. | From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 10:18:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13033 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 10:18:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 13024 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 10:18:11 -0000 Received: from f21.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.32) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 10:18:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 24338 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1997 10:17:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104101744.24337.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.49 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 02:17:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.49] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, fish1111@pacbell.net Subject: Re: Post much? Thanks. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 02:17:44 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk why do we have a 5 post limit then??? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 10:23:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14211 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 10:23:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 14194 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 10:23:03 -0000 Received: from f81.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.187) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 10:23:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 22066 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1997 10:22:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104102236.22065.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.49 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 02:22:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.49] From: "Break Dancer" To: analogue@hyperreal.org, skoop@slackers.net Cc: movable-parts@holon.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: bsp: what you get crossing a fatman and an xd-5 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 02:22:35 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk keyboards sound like rebirth..... > >I just threw up a new track on my webspace featuring a fatman and an xd-5. >constructive comments encouraged and welcome...it's in RA 3.0 format, 28.8 >stereo. > >4x32 bars of XD-5 loops, 1x32 bars of Fatman, and 1x32 bars of DW8000, >with a bit of Poly800 played on top. Mixed down live. > >URL is http://www.slackers.net/~skoop/sounds/nova.ram >if that doesn't work for ya try >http://www.slackers.net/~skoop/sounds/nova.ra (you'll have to download it) > >thanks, > >-jimg >--skoop@slackers.net >--http://www.slackers.net/~skoop > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 11:33:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23502 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 11:33:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 23493 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 11:33:36 -0000 Received: from mrin43.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin43.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.153) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 11:33:36 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin43.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA09954 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:33:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:33:06 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971103183956_341513144@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: RAVING IS A CULT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk AHH!!! BYroni's message struck home. I'm the little lost teenager raving all the time. First, you go to your first rave, and it's incredible, and you love the music and the people, and you want to do it again. So you do. You get the clothes and you trade jewelry and accessories. You love to party. You meet promoters and Djs and kids that are so kewl you can't be without them. So you meet other ravers that live near you and hang out on weekends. You go to school, promote, and party. That's it. No time for anything else, but it doesn't matter,because you don't want to do anything else. SOon, you're at the parties on weekdays and listening to your mixtapes while you do your homework. All your friends are ravers, and you can't talk to your old friends because they don't understand the experiences you've had. But you know what?? I'm stuck here, and there's no turning back. For me, it's a good thing... because I may be the stereotyped little party kid that Byroni was talking about, but at least I know I belong somewhere. Parties and music are an obsession. I live for the next weekend. However, I'd like to think I'm different then some of the other kids. most of us do have jobs, and I"m still in school and I'm doing good at it. I'm not the kid sneaking out hoping not to get caught, because my parents know where I am. So there's different cases. I'm just rambling, but I do believe raving is a very addictive thing. It's just not an addiction I'm ready to give up on yet.... hugs n'stuff, 'trice the tekno diva <<>> Byroni Said:: << I can't agree with you more brother... When I go to a party I really just focus on the music, visuals, spirituality, and that special someone if she's with me. I don't waste my energy watching other people, being concerened with them or watching circles of dancing ego-trippers. It has always been about my love for the music and my interest in high levels of consciousness. I'm becoming very disenchanted with parties in general. Other than the parties thrown by Vlad and Martin I have little or no interest in spending my time or money at massives. The entire *rave* culture has metamorphisized into a mass of 16 year old school kids. Not only do they (generally) a) have no clue whose spinning at any given time b) listen to the music 1/2 the time b) take drugs to *fit in* and end up going overboard and getting sick and feeling shitty all night. Then they want you to baby sit them. This ruins the entire experience. I feel like kids shouldn't even be let into these parties. Especially since drug usage is so prevelent.. I'm a 22 year old adult indirectly condoning kids getting wasted. They don't even know who they are and they're taking all these extremely powerful chemicals on a regular basis. It's just wrong. This alone will destroy the scene. Once this generation of ravers become disenchanted with the scene and start talking shit about it. I dunno. It's such a high level thing and all these people are stuck in the physical. They don't realize how magical this all is. it's not something you do to fit in, it's something you do to get a better understanding of yourself, others and the universe as a whole. Music, chemicals and visuals.... take you places.... and I don't think most of these kids are ready for it... or even aware of where they're going to be taken. And to add a little more.... I'm so sick of all these Tommy Hilfiger wearing kids... trying so hard to fit in... wearing clothes that are so overpriced... and they must feel like they have to be wearing what everyone else is.... I remember being this way.. wanting to wear the new Nikes back in 5th and 6th grade... but now it's not shoes that these kids are doing to fit it... it's so much more... and the consiquences are so much greater.... And once little Debi starts raving with her friends... and starts having all these powerful experiences.... what could compare to this?? In no way would a date to the movies with Johnny Jones compare... who wants to go home by 9??? Why not stay out all night and have a mind blowing (no pun intended) experience?? What is better than that? Raving is the ultimate exerience.... and once you attain such a life style it's hard to get out of it if you're in it for the wrong reasons... and eventually their lives lead into a downward spiral.... and only the ones that are true to themselves and the scene will prevail... and the little ravers will all be home alone, depressed and lonely.. wondering what happened to the times of raving with their friends and realized the stupid decisions they made based on what their friends were doing... and where are those friends now??? sigh... Before it was something you would do because you loved the music... now it's passing all barriers of lifestyles that everyone is getting into it.. and this includes the people and ideals that Derek and myself wanted to get away from.... Raving was meant to be a thing for people who really cared about the world and others.... and wanted to spend time in more spiritually aware environment.... but now people see how much $$$ they can make and are exploiting this magic.... there is no price tag placed on a night that is filled with magic... a night that enlightens you... a night that changes you forever... a night like Love Affair, Freedom, Basics, etc.... lets think about the long term destruction of this magic instead of short term financial gain... I could go on forever..... it's just that this entire scene is so important to me... and the way it makes me feel is unparalleled... it's what I'm about as a 22 year old... in this fvcked up society, corrupt government, this dieing world... it's a passion... and it's being torn out of my arms... >> From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 12:49:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1780 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 12:49:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 1771 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 12:49:07 -0000 Received: from emout27.mx.aol.com (HELO emout27.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 12:49:07 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout27.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA24638; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:48:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: JD4150171@aol.com Message-ID: <971104074155_1446811321@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: mercutio73@rocketmail.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-03 13:51:42 EST, you write: << How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? and WHY? love jeremy >> OK- can't pass this one up though I couldn't come close to even trying to narrow it down to one......but... all time favorite - tie.. Desert Move (Vegas Oct 95) & Tribal Gathering 96 (in London) recent favorite - Diet for the Sick (Richie Hawtin and co.) Bay Area favorite- Friends/Family acme gallery 95? before it got busted consistent favs - sunset, spundae, End Up on sunny Sunday afternoons, and the old 8th House Exp and Gardening Club (yup I'm a relative old timer) thanks for sparking the me mories...... jd :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 15:33:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24318 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 15:33:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 24307 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 15:32:58 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 15:32:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104152729.24883.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web1; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 07:27:29 PST Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:27:29 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: sweatboxes & health issues To: Noah Apodaca , just jer Cc: Customer Service , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The following is speculation, however, I think its something that should be considered. I was at Happy Kids for about 20 Min. that place was a death trap literally. I would hate to be the promoter who was made an example of if someone died of heatstroke, or if there was a fire. There was one exit and a long very skinny hallway and the other door was locked with a padlock. The thing is, I would say 70% of the folks there were under 18. All it takes is one kid who didn't drink enough water and just imagine what would happen. I am sure you can picture it. The parents, the media, I suspect that we have been lucky so far. I'm not trying to be paranoid but I think promoters might want to put some thought into this, its worth taking the extra time. Your opinions? Layne From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 15:44:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28286 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 15:44:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 28277 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 15:44:12 -0000 Received: from mail3.sirius.com (205.134.253.133) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 15:44:12 -0000 Received: from [205.134.235.164] (ppp-asfm04--164.sirius.net [205.134.235.164]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id HAA03748; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:44:08 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: emdash@mail.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:57:59 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: emdash@sirius.com (e.menon) Subject: nrr: D.FILM Digital Film Festival Cc: Ali_Hossaini@zd.com, case@grin.net, megan@medialive.com, KATO_ERIC@tandem.com, skoop@slackers.net, marilyn@best.com, cat.weasel@usa.net, cgw@io.com, trayc@dnai.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk got this from another list this morning - anyone out there interested in going? (megan, jon the cat.weasel, jim, anyone else?) please reply to me personally as god knows i'm not responsible for retrieving mail from the digest... :P cheers - e. :) >D.FILM Digital Film Festival >West Coast Premiere in San Francisco this weekend! > >"One of the 25 players bringing Hollywood into the 21rst century" - WIRED >Magazine > >"The core of D.FILM's mission is inspiration and empowerment" - The New >York Times > > >The D.FILM Digital Film Festival will be making it's west coast premiere >this Friday and Saturday night, November 7th and 8th, at the Koret >Auditorium of San Francisco's incredible New Main Library. Showtimes are >at 7:30 and 9:30 pm both nights. Tickets are $10 and can be purchased in >advance through Ticketweb at 510.601.TWEB or at http://www.ticketweb.com. >All six of our shows in New York last month at The Kitchen sold out >quickly, so we strongly recommend getting tickets in advance. The Main >Library is located in the SF Civic Center at the corner of Larkin and >Grove. > >D.FILM is a new festival which showcases short films made with computers >and other new forms of technology. > >Also this month, D.FILM will be presented in San Diego on Friday and >Saturday, November 14th and 15th at 8 and 10pm in Saint Cecilia's >Cathedral. Advance tickets are available by calling (619) 544-1484. The >cathedral was formerly both a catholic church and funeral parlor and is >located in downtown San Diego at Sixth and Cedar. > >D.FILM will be presenting a special preview in London on November 15th as >the closing night program of the Volcano Film Festival. The preview be >screened at 54 Turnmill Street, which is near the Farrington Tube Station. > >D.FILM is brought to you by key members of the team that created last >year's Low Res film festival. Low Res is now defunct. For more information >call (415) 541-5683 or visit our website at http://www.dfilm.com. > > >Highlights from this weekend's show: > >"LIVE NUDE GIRLS" by MSN's Matthew Clark and Mason Nicoll, a high speed >cut-up of Japanese pop culture which won a Design Distinction award for >Graphic Design in ID Magazine's 42nd Annual Design Review and was featured >in Wired. > >The world premiere of "Somebody Goofed" an animation of ultra-fundamental >religious cartoonist Jack Chick by Rodney and Syd.. > >"Counterfeit", hardboiled hong kong-style action by William Lau, >director/editor of groundbreaking Saturday morning cartoon "Reboot". > >"Anna In the Sky", edited on a home PC in director Mark Edgington's living >room and screened to acclaim at this year's Sundance. > >The world premiere of "Azimuth", a completely computer-generated anaglyph >3D film by New York artist Staceyjoy Elkin (we'll provide the 3D glasses). > >Plus new work from Nick Philip, Collosal Pictures Tom McClure, VIFX's >Christopher Dante Romano, MTV Network's Eric Rosner and much, much more. > > >About San Francisco's New Main Library: > >Completed last April at a cost of over $110 million dollars, San >Francisco's New Main Library has been hailed as one of the world's most >beautiful public buildings. Directly across from San Francisco's City >Hall, the building was designed by Pei Cobb Freed & Partners of New York >(creators of the Inverted Pyramid/Richelieu Wing Reconstruction at the >Louvre in Paris, The East Building at The National Gallery of Art in >Washington D.C. and the Bank of China Building in Hong Kong) and Simon >Martin-Vegue Winkelstein & Moris of San Francisco. > > >Please help us spread the word by forwarding this message to anyone you >know who might be interested. > > ________________________________________________________ > >=B4 Cindy Kawakami > =B4 cindy@lodge.com =B4 cindy@dfilm.com =B4 cindy@hyperreal.org > =B4 http://www.dfilm.com/ =B4 http://www.lodge.com/~cindy > > >____________________________________________________ >for more on craigs-list browse http://www.cnewmark.com [events posting 112= 4] > ............................................................................= . "I dont think 'This is my party' is applicable anymore. The party's kind of over. Now it's more like, 'This is my life,' 'This is my tribe.'" - Nan Goldin "That so few now dare to be eccentric marks the cheif danger of the time." - John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 16:45:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10570 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 16:45:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 10561 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 16:45:45 -0000 Received: from f91.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.197) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 16:45:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 13379 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1997 16:45:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104164517.13378.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.186.119.177 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:45:17 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.186.119.177] From: "Carol Saldana" To: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: RAVING IS A CULT Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:45:17 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You wrote > It's just not an addiction I'm ready to give up on yet.... I've been addicted for 6 years running! Can't stop now! Bye, Carol They said it's the music..... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 17:02:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15242 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 17:02:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 15233 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 17:02:19 -0000 Received: from puertopollo.lucasarts.com (firewall-user@204.71.70.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 17:02:19 -0000 Received: by puertopollo.lucasarts.com; id IAA22260; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:55:21 -0800 Received: from fandango.lucasarts.com(144.0.100.82) by puertopollo.lucasarts.com via smap (3.2) id xma022252; Tue, 4 Nov 97 08:54:59 -0800 Received: from tanis.lucaslearning.com (tanis [144.0.230.20]) by fandango.lucasarts.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA16524 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by tanis.lucaslearning.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:00:43 -0800 Message-ID: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211ACDB6@tanis.lucaslearning.com> From: Josh Damon Williams To: sfraves , "'Alex Rosenberg'" Subject: NRR - RE: Landmark Forum (was Re: a brand new me!!!!!!! nrrr ) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:00:41 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk the forum *is* and off-shoot of est, juiced up to for the 90's n generation-us n shite. i've had friends of mine come back from of these weekend epiphany sessions glazed over, full of creepy confidence and programmed self-assuredness. in short they'd become pod people. this stuff is nothing less than a cult; and the terrible thing here is that it can be attractive. they wrap their philosophies in universal truths about life and spirituality, and prey on the general desire of the populace for *more*. more of what? more of anything you want. they'll tell you how to become the best you you can be... by being just like them. what's more they take your money for their service of what i call brain washing. if anyone wants a weekend of emotional cleansing and release, i suggest organizing the journey on your own. or with close friends. pack up, go somewhere, sit, sleep, write, listen, draw, breath, be... it's what you'd be paying them to do, but you'd be doing it their way. peace -jdw > ---------- > From: Alex Rosenberg > Sent: Monday, November 3, 1997 11:55 PM > To: sfraves > Subject: NRR: Landmark Forum (was Re: a brand new me!!!!!!! nrrr > ) > > > I attended the Landmark Forum. > ... > > *you are all invited to attened *. > > I advise everybody who would consider attending to investigate them > first. Plenty of information on them both positive and negative is > present on the net. While you're at it, look specifically at their > methodology and compare and contrast it with the Church of > Scientology, > EST, AA, Werner Erhard, and similar organizations. > > I don't particularly like the "new" versions of some former friends of > > mine. > > -------------------------------------- > | Alexander M. Rosenberg | > | | > | Nobody cares what I say. | > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 17:15:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18856 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 17:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 18846 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 17:14:56 -0000 Received: from puertopollo.lucasarts.com (firewall-user@204.71.70.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 17:14:56 -0000 Received: by puertopollo.lucasarts.com; id JAA23209; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:07:59 -0800 Received: from fandango.lucasarts.com(144.0.100.82) by puertopollo.lucasarts.com via smap (3.2) id xma023200; Tue, 4 Nov 97 09:07:54 -0800 Received: from tanis.lucaslearning.com (tanis [144.0.230.20]) by fandango.lucasarts.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA16870 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by tanis.lucaslearning.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:13:37 -0800 Message-ID: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211ACDB7@tanis.lucaslearning.com> From: Josh Damon Williams To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, "'Seth'" Subject: RE: Static and Sutekh mixtapes (BSP) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:13:34 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk since when does liquid charge covers? > ---------- > From: Seth > Sent: Monday, November 3, 1997 5:42 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: Static and Sutekh mixtapes (BSP) > > Duh... I forgot to mention the address: > > Static is 10pm-2am every Tuesday at Liquid > 2925 16th St. at South Van Ness in sunny SF > 2 buck cover > > -Seth > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 18:34:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5747 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 18:34:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 5731 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 18:34:13 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 18:34:13 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id KAA17868; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:31:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345F6D0F.B08472DA@best.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:44:31 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lara at vibe.org" CC: Noah Apodaca , Customer Service , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sweatboxes & health issues References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk haha I was just talking to marty about that whole thing.... he said it's still there =) hey lara! when the hell am I gonna see yer smilin' face at parties again booger butt?? love yas.jer lara at vibe.org wrote: > > yea haha and then he forggot to put the fan back down and it was there > for like 2 weeks! HAHAHA :) > that was hella funny too! > oh me oh my... > > On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Noah Apodaca wrote: > > > > > I remember Jer climbing up in that place to stick the fan in there and > > getting yelled at by the guy from Minna... it was hella funny! :D > > > > On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, just jer wrote: > > > > > actually.... it's pretty simple to fix the problem... you've just gotta > > > know how to move air. If you put fans in the right places to suck hot > > > humid air out, and bring in cool air, then it's all good =) I set up the > > > ventilation system up at the last happy kids over at minna, and found a > > > door that had roof access.... I stuck a fan in a hole up there to suck > > > all the hot air out (hot air rises). I opened up a window and sucked all > > > the cold air in the room. cold air being sucked in, hot air being sucked > > > out. worked great until people screwed with the whole thing. but it was > > > definately a lot cooler in there than some of the other parties I've > > > been to in there.... > > > > > > I never understood why people just stuck fans in the dance rooms to blow > > > hot air around. > > > > > > really though.... it is a problem and a health risk. could you imagine > > > if they were spinning hardcore all night in that room.... woooo > > > weeee.... we would of had people passing out all over the place =) > > > > > > > > > peace.jer > > > > > > > > > Customer Service wrote: > > > > > > > > From: just jer > > > > CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: Re: another H.K. > > > > > > > > .....great party, great crowd, too hot, too packed..... > > > > > > > > this is happening a lot these days, it seems. Remember back in the old days, > > > > kids were dying at parties in the UK. Everyone thought it was overdoses; then > > > > it was discovered that they were dying of heat strokes! > > > > > > > > I think it should be promoters responsibility to rent air conditioning > > > > units to cool the dancefloor down. Fans just don't do the trick! They > > > > couldn't be that much to rent; or even buy second hand. They'd probably do > > > > wonders to take the condensation out of the air and prevent people from > > > > having a miserable time. > > > > > > > > I dunno...I feel like I've wasted too many nights going to parties where > > > > overheating is a serious problem. It's really hard to have a good time in > > > > those conditions. > > > > > > > > Promoters? > > > > > > > > b > > > > o > > > > o > > > > m > > > > e f i d g e t > > > > r > > > > a > > > > n > > > > g H > > > > ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr > > > > ARETH > > > > EFACTSYO > > > > UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- > > > > > > > > \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// > > > > "...the end of all our exploring > > > > will be to arrive where we started > > > > and know the place for the first time." > > > > - t.s. eliot > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 18:51:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10165 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 18:50:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 10156 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 18:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 18:50:58 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:46:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104105414.006bdc98@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:54:14 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Megan Hug Subject: Spring Heel Jack Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk anyone going to that show? it's listed in the weekly calander for more info... Spring Heel Jack w/ DJ Tomas & DJ Noel, Thursday, November 13 @ 9:00 p.m. (8:00 p.m. doors). sounds like it's gonna be gooooood! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 19:45:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21308 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 19:45:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 21299 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 19:45:45 -0000 Received: from galaxy.galstar.com (anarchy@204.251.80.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 19:45:45 -0000 Received: (from anarchy@localhost) by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18491 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:45:42 -0600 (CST) From: "U.A.A." Message-Id: <199711041945.NAA18491@galaxy.galstar.com> Subject: Is it just me .. ? To: (Controlled Chaos), Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:45:42 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This has been on my mind a lot recently and I want to know if it is just me or do other people feel the same way. Lets see how I can put this.. Okay, it really bothers me that when you see a friend or just anyone you haevn't seen in a while at a party one of the first questions they ask you is "Are you fuct up?" "Are you on anything?" I know this doesn't sound too bad but let me continue. I really don't have a problem answering their question if they really wanted to know. But this phrase seems to migrated to just a general conversation starter like "how's it going" ... One thing that gets me is that it seems I'm repeating myself all night, as 100 people ask me the same question. The other thing that gets me is that their reaction is so biased on to what I had or had not taken. I tend to be sober a lot at parties. I enjoy them for what they are and I always have a good time. But I could live without this conversation. "Hey man whats up ?" "Nada just enjoying myself" "Are you on anything?" "Nope going sober tonight" "Oh, .. I'm sorry" or its that "Oh.." followed by a long pause. It just frustrates me, b/c I feel like I have to defend my soberness and my actions or lack there of. But no necessarily the same person but it has happened that the next time they ask me and I reply "Yeah I am on E" I get this whole new response of a smile and a hug. I am very aware of heightened senses and the empathic effects of E but I don't see why it should matter whether I get a hug and a smile. It just the same if I reply with some other substance like Acid or what not. Its like I am being downplayed for not choosing esctasy. The big kicker is when someone replies with a drug that they personally have a bias against being it crystal or speed, or whatever. Why put yourself in that situation as well as the person or friend that you are talking to. I realize that it is their intent to say something to me rather than just hi how's it going, but if you really want continue the conversation ask them "Are you having a good time tonight?" or anything else. If they feel comfortable enough to discuss with you their entertainment for the night then let them bring it up, and try to always smile and give them a hug at the end. Another thing real quick is that I don't mind discussing my experiences with people and will gladly talk about them but I doubt that it is their intent. anyways.... smiles, Herb From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 19:46:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21844 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 19:46:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21823 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 19:45:59 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 19:45:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104194757.24739.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web2; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 11:47:57 PST Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:47:57 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: ultra green tea To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk wow, had a great time at ultra last night! drank some drinks, met a fellow sfraver (hi megan!), and danced till my legs were sore! the vibe was nice, it was anything but dead, but there was still plenty of room on the floor (a must if you're dancing to d'n'b). the music was really cool, jazzy jungle blending into abstrakt rap blending into funky african chants and then back into jungle again. i'm not sure when or if josh wink spun, but i didn't really care, it all blew me away. i'm definitely going back, so if you're at vsf on a monday and see some guy with a round white hat hangin low over his eyes spazzing out on the dance floor, come up and say hi. having such a good time last night left me jazzed up and ready for more. is anyone going to green tea tonight? -messiah w From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 20:14:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2196 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 20:14:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 2185 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 20:14:29 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 20:14:29 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-4-72.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.72]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA28228; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:14:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345F9165.550E@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:19:33 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, "U.A.A." Subject: Re: Is it just me .. ? References: <199711041945.NAA18491@galaxy.galstar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > Okay, it really bothers me that when you see a friend or just anyone you > haevn't seen in a while at a party one of the first questions they ask you is > "Are you fuct up?" "Are you on anything?" I know this doesn't sound too bad > but let me continue. I really don't have a problem answering their question > if they really wanted to know. But this phrase seems to migrated to just a > general conversation starter like "how's it going" ... > I tend to be sober a lot at parties. I enjoy them for what they are and I > always have a good time. But I could live without this conversation. > "Hey man whats up ?" > "Nada just enjoying myself" > "Are you on anything?" > "Nope going sober tonight" > "Oh, .. I'm sorry" or its that "Oh.." followed by a long pause. You too! I hate that, I had this happen at HTM with a girl I hadn't seen for quite some time. I said that I was sober, and she was like...Really?!?! Why?!?! Somehow it made me feel uncomfortable-yet she was the one on drugs. I used to totally defend the scene, "Oh no! ITs not all about the drugs!" But lately I have been really noticing that may to many people it is about the drugs. For me its all about the dancing. Find a circle and you will find me. TERESA From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 20:18:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3917 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 20:18:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 3845 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 20:18:56 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 20:18:56 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.58] ([38.248.198.58] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15557 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:37:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711041945.NAA18491@galaxy.galstar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:19:00 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Re: Is it just me .. ? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm completely with you on this one! I was sitting at a party once on a couch, and the guy next to me asked if he could rub my hand, and i said sure, and we started talking and were having fun.... then he said "are you on e?" and I said, nope, i'm sober... and he dropped my hand and his eyes got wide and he said "oh well then...." and turned to talk to the person on his other side... come on folks... it AIN'T about the drugs!!!! I don't care what you do, and I don't need to know in order to enjoy your company... the only time I'll ask you what you're on is if I can't quite figure out what's up with you, if you seem out of it, or sick, or whatever, and I need a reference point to help me as I talk to you.... if you only like me if i'm high, then you don't ain't even close to knowing what i'm all about... and that goes for all of us! leslie >This has been on my mind a lot recently and I want to know if it is just >me or do other people feel the same way. > >Lets see how I can put this.. > >Okay, it really bothers me that when you see a friend or just anyone you >haevn't seen in a while at a party one of the first questions they ask you is >"Are you fuct up?" "Are you on anything?" I know this doesn't sound too bad >but let me continue. I really don't have a problem answering their question >if they really wanted to know. But this phrase seems to migrated to just a >general conversation starter like "how's it going" ... > >One thing that gets me is that it seems I'm repeating myself all night, as >100 people ask me the same question. > >The other thing that gets me is that their reaction is so biased on to what I >had or had not taken. > >I tend to be sober a lot at parties. I enjoy them for what they are and I >always have a good time. But I could live without this conversation. > >"Hey man whats up ?" >"Nada just enjoying myself" >"Are you on anything?" >"Nope going sober tonight" >"Oh, .. I'm sorry" or its that "Oh.." followed by a long pause. > >It just frustrates me, b/c I feel like I have to defend my soberness and my >actions or lack there of. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 20:20:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5166 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 20:20:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 5155 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 20:20:40 -0000 Received: from f36.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.47) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 20:20:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 16949 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1997 20:19:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104201958.16948.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.171.199.167 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:19:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.171.199.167] From: "Paula Sinclear" To: JD4150171@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:19:57 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 97-11-03 13:51:42 EST, you write: > ><< > How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? > and WHY? > > love jeremy > >> I just have to say that my all time favortive party was CF NEW YEAR'S 96/97! I have to give CF another big thank you! There was lots of space, considering that there were 600 people. The DJs totally threw down, and I met a lot of people there that are now my good friends. Wow, all I have to say is, "What a night!" Paula From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 20:28:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8791 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 20:28:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8597 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 20:28:34 -0000 Received: from mole.slip.net (HELO mole) (207.171.193.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 20:28:34 -0000 Received: from sf-pm10-1-225.dialup.slip.net [207.171.196.225] by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xSpaP-0004zt-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:28:29 -0800 Message-ID: <345F84D6.5FBC@earthling.net> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:25:58 -0800 From: voltron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Megan Hug CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Spring Heel Jack References: <3.0.1.32.19971104105414.006bdc98@medialive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Megan Hug wrote: > > anyone going to that show? > it's listed in the weekly calander for more info... > Spring Heel Jack w/ DJ Tomas & DJ Noel, Thursday, November 13 @ 9:00 p.m. > (8:00 p.m. doors). > sounds like it's gonna be gooooood! Yes I am going. I went last year. It was amazing to watch EVERYONE on the floor of Bimbo's dancing to spring heel jack. It was an excellent show, except my only complaint was that it wasn't loud enough! BTW this reminds me, Josh Wink was spinning Casino by Spring Heel Jack at Ultra last night, anyone remember? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 20:31:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9530 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 20:31:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 9520 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 20:31:05 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 20:31:05 -0000 Received: from shorvitz.pbi.net (csota-206-171-132-175.csota.pbi.net [206.171.132.175]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA11379; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:30:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104122921.01529088@postoffice.pacbell.net> X-Sender: sutekh@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:29:21 -0800 To: Josh Damon Williams From: Seth Subject: RE: Static and Sutekh mixtapes (BSP) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211ACDB7@tanis.lucaslearning .com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 09:13 AM 11/4/97 -0800, Josh Damon Williams wrote: >since when does liquid charge covers? Static has always charged a 2 dollar cover on Tuesday nights, since Liquid first began. The cover only goes to us poor djs to help us buy burritos and records, none of it goes to the bar itself. Seth >> ---------- >> From: Seth >> Sent: Monday, November 3, 1997 5:42 PM >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: Static and Sutekh mixtapes (BSP) >> >> Duh... I forgot to mention the address: >> >> Static is 10pm-2am every Tuesday at Liquid >> 2925 16th St. at South Van Ness in sunny SF >> 2 buck cover >> >> -Seth >> > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 20:49:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14337 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 20:49:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 14324 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 20:48:59 -0000 Received: from mole.slip.net (HELO mole) (207.171.193.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 20:48:59 -0000 Received: from sf-pm10-1-225.dialup.slip.net [207.171.196.225] by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xSpu9-0005jK-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:48:53 -0800 Message-ID: <345F899E.3904@earthling.net> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:46:22 -0800 From: voltron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Megan Hug CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Spring Heel Jack References: <3.0.1.32.19971104105414.006bdc98@medialive.com> <3.0.1.32.19971104123544.006aef2c@medialive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Megan Hug wrote: > > so you were there and didn't tell anyone??? > shame on you! were you dancing? what were you wearing??? > > i have to admit i hadn't heard josh wink spin before... just heard OF him > and wanted to check him out! the dj turn over rate was pretty fast last > night! which one was he? i never found out! > and no i didn't catch casino... > maybe the above should read "shame on me!" > > :) Yes, yes, shame on me. I didn't tell anyone because I don't think anyone knows me anyhow... which is my fault- I am new to the list and I failed to introduce myself to anyone. You are all such a tight-knit kind of mailing list... more than just a mailing list. A cool little family. Well anyhow, my name is Viet, I am 22, and I admit I don't party much, but I LOVE the music. I am an Asian boy and I was wearing a blue and white checkered type shirt and brown pants. I was dancing till about 1:30 and left about 20 minutes into Josh Wink's set. Maybe some of you saw me passing out flyers for The Glad Hand. I haven't heard Josh Wink before either. He was the guy that went on around 1am with the bleach blond dreads tied up in a ponytail. Did you have fun? I did. :) -Viet From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 20:49:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15074 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 20:49:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 15057 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 20:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 20:49:42 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:45:19 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104125254.006ba6b0@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:52:54 -0800 To: Messiah Wannabe From: Megan Hug Subject: Re: hello again! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971104203645.24734.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk just thought i'd share this thread... some great ideas for an ug party for sfravers and friends... >> maybe even plan >> some sort of community get to know your neighbor raver games at the >> party...! i know that sounds sort of corny... but i'm always into >> fun/silly stuff like that!!! > >i always thought it would be cool to have a "games" room instead of, >or in addition to, a chill out room. you could have someone from the >event crew running a continuous game of twister, or maybe a big >communal artwork that anyone could add to. or some sort of cool old >skool games that don't take much brain power, mousetrap or operation >or rockem' sockem' robots. just something to give people an excuse to >interact with people they don't know... great ideas, messiah wannabe!!! i love games!!! it's always sooo cozy to sit down with friends/family, some snacks, and loads of games... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 20:52:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15943 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 20:51:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 15933 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 20:51:58 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 20:51:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA12056; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:51:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:51:55 -0800 (PST) From: To: Leslie Ayres cc: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Is it just me .. ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Leslie Ayres wrote: > I'm completely with you on this one! I was sitting at a party once on a > couch, and the guy next to me asked if he could rub my hand, and i said > sure, and we started talking and were having fun.... then he said "are you > on e?" and I said, nope, i'm sober... and he dropped my hand and his eyes > got wide and he said "oh well then...." and turned to talk to the person > on his other side... > > come on folks... it AIN'T about the drugs!!!! I don't care what you do, and > I don't need to know in order to enjoy your company... While I agree 100% with your perspective, it is important to preface the above statement with "To me." Obviously, given the reaction of the person in your experience, *to him* it was about the drugs. And apparently, given some of the tales here, it is to many. Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 21:01:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20316 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 21:01:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 20180 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 21:01:30 -0000 Received: from mx1.ten.net (HELO ten.net) (204.162.251.51) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 21:01:30 -0000 Received: from ten.net (NorCal56k125.NetWiz.Net [208.25.55.25]) by ten.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20373; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:01:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345F8C61.C4AEE3BB@ten.net> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:58:09 -0800 From: Pengo Reply-To: Pengo@ten.net Organization: Pengo Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ravalum@pacbell.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org, "U.A.A." Subject: Re: Is it just me .. ? References: <199711041945.NAA18491@galaxy.galstar.com> <345F9165.550E@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ravalum@pacbell.net wrote: > > > Okay, it really bothers me that when you see a friend or just anyone you > > haevn't seen in a while at a party one of the first questions they ask you is > > "Are you fuct up?" "Are you on anything?" I know this doesn't sound too bad > > but let me continue. I really don't have a problem answering their question > > if they really wanted to know. But this phrase seems to migrated to just a > > general conversation starter like "how's it going" ... > > I tend to be sober a lot at parties. I enjoy them for what they are and I > > always have a good time. But I could live without this conversation. > > "Hey man whats up ?" > > "Nada just enjoying myself" > > "Are you on anything?" > > "Nope going sober tonight" > > "Oh, .. I'm sorry" or its that "Oh.." followed by a long pause. > You too! I hate that, I had this happen at HTM with a girl I hadn't seen for quite > some time. I said that I was sober, and she was like...Really?!?! Why?!?! When this happens, just look them right back in the (Dialated) eye and say "Why Not?" or very honestly say some real reasons like simply "It's unhealthy". Don't let them make _you_ feel unomfortable about being sober. Or if they sayt something like "I'm sorry", ask them to explain why they feel bad for you. After all they're the ones with the seritonin synapses going of like 4th of July. Feel confident and proud that you are there sober, and don't let anyone make you feel different. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 21:13:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24203 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 21:13:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 24194 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 21:13:27 -0000 Received: from mrin42.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin42.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.152) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 21:13:27 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin42.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA27557; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:12:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:12:43 -0500 (EST) From: ASYDFANMAN@aol.com Message-ID: <971104145158_1827972171@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: josh@lucaslearning.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR - RE: Landmark Forum (was Re: a brand new me!!!!!!! nrrr ) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk you talk of your friend in a manner unbefitting a friend. is that what you would have them do with you? if you don't want ,or approve of the forum , that's your choice. you are of your word ,and I accept that. however, for me, my parents never told me that they loved me. they made it very clear that I was a mistake. punishment from my dad was regular and excedingly painful, its form was fifteen to twenty minutes of beating with a leather belt. he used to tell me , in threat form, that he was going to cut off my penis and feed it to me . I could go on, but I won't, you get the idea i'm sure. the forum helped me to let go of the anger , not forget, just forgive. you may not need the forum,but I and others like myself, do. and by the way, soul washing , not brain washing, and I needed it. with love and respect carl From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 21:21:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25575 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 21:21:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 25553 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 21:21:03 -0000 Received: from mother.neurex.com (38.221.50.170) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 21:21:03 -0000 Received: by mother.neurex.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 88256545.007580CD ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:23:26 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NEUREX CORPORATION From: mdowner@neurex.com To: mercutio73@rocketmail.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <88256545.0073DF68.00@mother.neurex.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:23:22 -0700 Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk What a hard question to anwser!!! I can't pick just 1 party, it would have be about 4 is the miniumum I could comment on. Well here they are: 1. Warmth 1 I met a very special girl there that I eneded up going out with for like 7 months. We are no longer together but I would erase that part of my life for all the fame and money in the world. 2. Warmth 2 Because I am an EMT and was able to aid in saving a life, which inturn I have a lifetime friend for it (Awsome Payback) Plus the party was once again awsome, Spencer really knows what he is doing.. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Be prepared Warmth 3 is on it's way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3. I would have to agree with Jeremy, Condensation kicked but!!!!!! I had an awsome time and met allot of really kool people. 4. Happykids-Little monsters (I think that's what is was called) I worked the gate outside and it was so nice and kool!!!! yipeeeeeee. I met allot of kool kids, and most of all I really got to know the really special person who is so verry beautiful, and sooo deep I find myself lost in my thoughts about her. Well enogh of whooped boy!!! I love you ALLLLLLLLLL!!!!! Filled With Clouds of Love For You, Matthew Lewis Downer AKA Cracked Out Elmo AKA Kermit My Little Thoughts " The Downpour of Confession Rests Upon My Soul " mercutio73@rocketmail.com on 11/03/97 10:52:51 AM To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org cc: (bcc: Matthew Downer/Neurex Corporation) Subject: a ? for da list.... hey Kidz~ after reading tha reviews of HTM and Happy Kidz... I'm interested in ... What was your favorite party/rave ? for me it's still a tie between Cloud Factory Condensation and True Love... for different reasons of course...condensation was tha 1 st time i remember a certain dj... before dat they all ran in to eachother... and true love... that vibe was so thick... it coulda been cut wit a butta knife...straight butta baby... How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? and WHY? love jeremy see ya @ VIBERATIONS & WONDER on tha NOV. 14th & 15th From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 21:27:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27264 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 21:27:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 27254 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 21:27:49 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 21:27:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104212947.20274.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web2; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:29:47 PST Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:29:47 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: Is it just me .. ? To: Leslie Ayres Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i was clean and sober for years when i first started raving, and would get this all the time. it was damn frustrating! now my answers just tend to throw 'em for a loop... "oh, spirulina, echinacia, cappachino... oh yeah, some ketamine too... pseudo-ephidrine, b-12, space rocks..." - messiah w ---Leslie Ayres wrote: > > I'm completely with you on this one! I was sitting at a party once on a > couch, and the guy next to me asked if he could rub my hand, and i said > sure, and we started talking and were having fun.... then he said "are you > on e?" and I said, nope, i'm sober... and he dropped my hand and his eyes > got wide and he said "oh well then...." and turned to talk to the person > on his other side... > > come on folks... it AIN'T about the drugs!!!! I don't care what you do, and > I don't need to know in order to enjoy your company... > > the only time I'll ask you what you're on is if I can't quite figure out > what's up with you, if you seem out of it, or sick, or whatever, and I need > a reference point to help me as I talk to you.... > > if you only like me if i'm high, then you don't ain't even close to knowing > what i'm all about... and that goes for all of us! > > leslie > > > > >This has been on my mind a lot recently and I want to know if it is just > >me or do other people feel the same way. > > > >Lets see how I can put this.. > > > >Okay, it really bothers me that when you see a friend or just anyone you > >haevn't seen in a while at a party one of the first questions they ask you is > >"Are you fuct up?" "Are you on anything?" I know this doesn't sound too bad > >but let me continue. I really don't have a problem answering their question > >if they really wanted to know. But this phrase seems to migrated to just a > >general conversation starter like "how's it going" ... > > > >One thing that gets me is that it seems I'm repeating myself all night, as > >100 people ask me the same question. > > > >The other thing that gets me is that their reaction is so biased on to what I > >had or had not taken. > > > >I tend to be sober a lot at parties. I enjoy them for what they are and I > >always have a good time. But I could live without this conversation. > > > >"Hey man whats up ?" > >"Nada just enjoying myself" > >"Are you on anything?" > >"Nope going sober tonight" > >"Oh, .. I'm sorry" or its that "Oh.." followed by a long pause. > > > >It just frustrates me, b/c I feel like I have to defend my soberness and my > >actions or lack there of. > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 21:29:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27913 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 21:29:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 27904 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 21:29:02 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 21:29:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA18019; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:28:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:28:55 -0800 (PST) From: To: ASYDFANMAN@aol.com cc: josh@lucaslearning.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR - RE: Landmark Forum (was Re: a brand new me!!!!!!! nrrr ) In-Reply-To: <971104145158_1827972171@mrin42.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 ASYDFANMAN@aol.com wrote: > I could go on, Please don't. There are more appropriate forums than this. Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 21:30:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28780 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 21:30:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 28769 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 21:30:53 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 21:30:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104213250.20937.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.158.204.136] by web2; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:32:50 PST Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:32:50 -0800 (PST) From: macadio Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... To: mdowner@neurex.com, mercutio73@rocketmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well I have to agree with Matt's partys. As some of you may or may not know that was My first (well kind of first party) in terms of Nice UG party. Spencer and Tony took a chance on a kid from the south bay with no Name only a silver rekkid box and a smile on his face. This party turned out to be one of the best UG party's that I had been to and was and still is a part of. I met some very nice people that till this day are still good friends and some of them are my right hand DJ partners and CD Producers. From that night on there was a explosion of nice partys that I was happy and proud to be a part of. They were all my favorites for different reasons but Warmth would have to be the one that stands out the most due to my first daybue. And it was a rocking party. Awww so many memories summer was good to us!! well before I get all teary eyed I better pretend like im working on some important project :P~ Macadio (Mack-Audio) ---mdowner@neurex.com wrote: > > > > What a hard question to anwser!!! I can't pick just 1 party, it would > have be about 4 is the miniumum I could comment on. Well here they are: > > 1. Warmth 1 I met a very special girl there that I eneded up going out > with for like 7 months. We are no longer together but I would erase > that part of my life for all the fame and money in the world. > > 2. Warmth 2 Because I am an EMT and was able to aid in saving a life, which > inturn I have a lifetime friend for it (Awsome Payback) Plus the party was > once again awsome, Spencer really knows what he is doing.. > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Be prepared Warmth 3 is on it's way > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > 3. I would have to agree with Jeremy, Condensation kicked but!!!!!! I had > an awsome time and met allot of really kool people. > > 4. Happykids-Little monsters (I think that's what is was called) I worked > the gate outside and it was so nice and kool!!!! yipeeeeeee. I met allot > of kool kids, and most of all I really got to know the really special > person who is so verry beautiful, and sooo deep I find myself lost in my > thoughts about her. Well enogh of whooped boy!!! I love you > ALLLLLLLLLL!!!!! > > > > Filled With Clouds of Love For You, > Matthew Lewis Downer > AKA Cracked Out Elmo > AKA Kermit > > My Little Thoughts > > " The Downpour of Confession Rests Upon My Soul " > > > > > > > mercutio73@rocketmail.com on 11/03/97 10:52:51 AM > > To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org > cc: (bcc: Matthew Downer/Neurex Corporation) > Subject: a ? for da list.... > > > > > > hey Kidz~ > > after reading tha reviews of HTM and Happy Kidz... > I'm interested in ... What was your favorite > party/rave ? > > for me it's still a tie between Cloud Factory > Condensation and True Love... for different reasons > of course...condensation was tha 1 st time i remember > a certain dj... before dat they all ran in to > eachother... and true love... that vibe was so > thick... it coulda been cut wit a butta > knife...straight butta baby... > > How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? > and WHY? > > love jeremy > > see ya @ VIBERATIONS & WONDER on tha NOV. 14th & 15th > > > > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 21:32:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29547 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 21:32:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 29537 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 21:32:37 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 21:32:37 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-63.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.63]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA09523 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:32:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345F94B3.4148@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:33:39 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: is it just me? <"}}}>< Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Are you on drugs? No im here for the hugs. he gave me that look and my heart just shook and i did not like it not one little bit and then something went bump How that bump made us jump. and then a boom came from the front room Behind that spinning mat was a cat...in a hat the boom made our hearts quake and our bodies shake No drugs for me tonight. For my flight into the light, just the hugs and music will do the trick. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 21:42:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2287 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 21:42:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 2278 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 21:42:28 -0000 Received: from mother.neurex.com (38.221.50.170) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 21:42:28 -0000 Received: by mother.neurex.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 88256545.00777628 ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:44:50 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NEUREX CORPORATION From: mdowner@neurex.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <88256545.007723E7.00@mother.neurex.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:44:46 -0700 Subject: Nrr: My Herbal Products Web Page Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I put up a web page at HTTP://www.concentric.net/~bdowner It i still under development but please take a look and voice your opinion. Thanks Ahead, Matthew L. Downer From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 21:49:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4967 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 21:49:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 4957 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 21:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eagle.cscomputing.com) (206.86.211.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 21:49:24 -0000 Received: from PANDA by eagle.cscomputing.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id WAHSVQGT; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:51:32 -0800 Received: by panda with Microsoft Mail id <01BCE98D.113E7E20@panda>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:49:34 -0000 Message-ID: <01BCE98D.113E7E20@panda> From: Julie Hayes To: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" , "'fish1111@pacbell.net'" Subject: RE: is it just me? <"}}}>< Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:49:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk RIGHT ON! you rock, foolish fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! peace and love, Julie ---------- From: fish1111@pacbell.net[SMTP:fish1111@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 9:33 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: is it just me? <"}}}>< Are you on drugs? No im here for the hugs. he gave me that look and my heart just shook and i did not like it not one little bit and then something went bump How that bump made us jump. and then a boom came from the front room Behind that spinning mat was a cat...in a hat the boom made our hearts quake and our bodies shake No drugs for me tonight. For my flight into the light, just the hugs and music will do the trick. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 21:54:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6402 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 21:54:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 6381 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 21:54:27 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 21:54:27 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id NAA20084 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id NAA00170; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:54:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:54:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: sfraves Subject: : L.A. Times - Man Whose Drink Made Revelers Ill Enters Guilty Plea (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 11:22:43 -0800 From: Webhead To: SoCal-Raves Mailing List Subject: L.A. Times - Man Whose Drink Made Revelers Ill Enters Guilty Plea Man Whose Drink Made Revelers Ill Enters Guilty Plea Court: Federal officials charged him with misbranding product. A melee resulted when police closed down the New Year's Eve 'rave' party in L.A. By JEFF LEEDS, PAUL LEVIKOW, Special to The Times Ten months after his "natural" drink loosed pandemonium at a New Year's Eve party in downtown Los Angeles, a San Diego man pleaded guilty Monday to a federal mislabeling charge and explained to a judge what was in the mystery brew. Daniel Bricker, 30, was charged with misbranding a food or drug product, a charge that could have landed him in federal prison for up to three years. Under a plea bargain reached with the U.S. attorney's office in San Diego, Bricker will serve no more than six months in custody, either behind bars or in home detention. Bricker distributed about 900 vials of his product, called "fX," free of charge to revelers at the Dec. 31 "rave" at the Grand Olympic Auditorium. The concert, dubbed "In Seventh Heaven," featured dozens of deejays playing techno music and drew a flamboyant crowd of more than 10,000. At least 31 people believed to have consumed the liquid were hospitalized with nausea and respiratory trouble, then released. A melee erupted as police closed the event early, and officers fired rubber bullets to disperse the crowd. Investigators seized more than 9,000 vials of the liquid, labeled "Cherry fX Bombs," "Orange fX Rush" or "Lemon fX Drops." The labels falsely listed a plant extract, a relaxant called kava kava, among the ingredients. Federal investigators said Monday that Bricker probably intended to make the liquid with kava kava, but was unable to have it shipped from his supplier in time. Instead, he used 1,4 Butanediol--an industrial solvent that bears some similarities to the popular rave drug gammahydroxybutyrate (GHB). Lab tests also revealed that Bricker mixed in heavy amounts of caffeine, although he left that off the label. What drove him to brew "fX," authorities said Monday in their fullest explanation of the case, was desperation. Bricker, a chiropractor described by authorities as a "wannabe" in the rave scene, had taken over his family business, Bricker Laboratories of Escondido, after his father died in early 1996. The company, which sold health foods and vitamins, was failing badly. Bricker decided to tap a new market: the rave scene. He developed a formula for "fX," a product he promised would create a safe "natural" high. He planned to sell it for $20 per vial. But first he had to market it. And to make a splash with consumers, his lawyer said in an interview Monday, there was only one place to go: the annual "In Seventh Heaven" concert on New Year's Eve. "It was the mother of all raves," lawyer Eugene G. Iredale said. There was one problem: Bricker's supplier couldn't fill his order for kava kava. "He had a date with destiny on New Year's Eve, and come hell or high water, he was going to make that date," said an agent with the Food and Drug Administration's Office of Criminal Investigations. With a little research, Bricker found a substitute for kava kava: the industrial solvent. He believed that it would have similar psycho-pharmacological effects, Iredale said. He purchased a 55-gallon drum of the solvent and had it delivered to an associate, who repackaged it in smaller containers, labeled it as kava kava and delivered it to the firm hired to mix "fX" according to Bricker's formula, his lawyer said. In test versions, Iredale said, Bricker found that some people who ingested "fX" suffered "slight nausea." But he decided to distribute it at the Olympic anyway. Iredale said his client did not intend to harm anyone, and noted that the label on Bricker's product clearly instructs consumers not to take it on a full stomach. Iredale said he believes that anyone who became sick after ingesting "fX" had drunk alcohol or taken other drugs. Since the rave, Bricker has sold the family business and filed for protection from creditors under federal bankruptcy laws. He is also the target of a lawsuit filed by the event promoters, who are being sued by the Grand Olympic Auditorium over lost revenue. Bricker is to be sentenced Feb. 2 by U.S. District Judge Leland Nielsen. His associate, Michael Moffett, pleaded guilty Oct. 24 to a charge of misbranding and was sentenced to two years' supervised probation. Iredale said Bricker was in a rush to distribute "fX" at the New Year's Eve rave because, while he did not plan to charge customers for it that night, "at least he could generate goodwill in the market." ===============Rx================Rx================Rx============== Dr. Freecloud's Mixing Lab web: http://www.drfreeclouds.com 145 E. 19th St., #C-3 store: drfreecloud@drfreeclouds.com Costa Mesa, California 92627 internet: webhead@drfreeclouds.com ===============Rx================Rx================Rx============== -- Patrick J. Hennessey -- http://people.qualcomm.com/phenness/ "Were it not for the leaping and twinkling of the soul, man would rot away in his greatest passion, idleness." -- C.G. Jung From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 22:17:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12239 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 22:17:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 12230 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 22:17:20 -0000 Received: from mole.slip.net (HELO mole) (207.171.193.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 22:17:20 -0000 Received: from sf-pm11-9-9.dialup.slip.net [207.171.197.9] by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xSrHg-00010E-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:17:16 -0800 Message-ID: <345F9E55.160D@earthling.net> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 14:14:45 -0800 From: voltron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Messiah Wannabe CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Spring Heel Jack References: <19971104205426.29403.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Messiah Wannabe wrote: > hi viet! i was at vsf last night too. i remember getting a glad hand > flyer, don't remember from who though... are you involved with the > party? Yes and no... hmmm. Well, I am a big fan of Junior Varsity and Busheeloop who are both playing that night. But it so happens that I am playing too. And it also so happens that I play with the guy from Busheeloop, although in another band. I am so excited about watching them tonight that I feel like a fan rather than one of the artists performing. So, you see, I'd be passing out flyers for them regardless of whether or not I'd be playing with them. Know what I mean? BTW, junior varsity and busheeloop are playing later in the evening. Junior Varsity will probably be on around 11:30 and Busheeloop around 12:30 if anyone wants to come by. I guarntee there will be some mad beats around 12:30. Oh, and dj Monkey from beta lounge will be spinning. Maybe I can meet some of you there. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 22:17:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12754 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 22:17:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 12745 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 22:17:45 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 22:17:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104221222.21599.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web1; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 14:12:22 PST Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:12:22 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: NRR - RE: Landmark Forum (was Re: a brand new me!!!!!!! nrrr ) To: ASYDFANMAN@aol.com, josh@lucaslearning.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Freeze put the spam down - slowly, veeerrryy slowly, step away from the computer and back up slowly. Carl see a pychologist not rave list. thanks much Bu-bye LL ---ASYDFANMAN@aol.com wrote: > > you talk of your friend in a manner unbefitting a friend. > is that what you would have them do with you? > if you don't want ,or approve of the forum , that's your choice. > you are of your word ,and I accept that. > however, for me, my parents never told me that they loved me. > they made it very clear that I was a mistake. > punishment from my dad was regular and excedingly painful, > its form was fifteen to twenty minutes of beating with a leather belt. > he used to tell me , in threat form, that he was going to cut off my > penis and feed it to me . > I could go on, but I won't, you get the idea i'm sure. > the forum helped me to let go of the anger , not forget, just forgive. > you may not need the forum,but I and others like myself, do. > and by the way, soul washing , not brain washing, > and I needed it. > > with love and respect > > carl > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 04 23:13:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28550 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 23:13:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 28438 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 23:13:13 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 23:13:13 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA17731 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:12:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from str-ca2-15.ix.netcom.com(207.93.43.79) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017687; Tue Nov 4 17:12:26 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971104151011.00abe0b4@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: ascend@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:10:14 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Harmony Subject: BP!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello Beautiful People, We are proud to present to you the following... On, Saturday December 20th '97 The Harmony Family envites you to join us for a night of pure positive energy! As a symbol of this party taking us back to Harmony's roots, we are dedicating this party to the memories of past nights shared with all of our friends and families. As well as the dedication, we are naming this party "Beautiful People", as in old school Harmony style. We have not done as many events this year as years past, so we want to make this one extra special. We have a beautiful new site for our family gathering, located in the great S.F. area. There are going to be a very limited number of tickets for this family party (500). They will all be availible soon in your local record stores. So keep your eyes and ears open for more info. We are really excited about this party and hope that you are able to join us for this very special night!!! Stay tooned for more info!!! Peace and love, Harmony = ) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 00:03:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9295 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 00:02:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9286 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 00:02:57 -0000 Received: from value.net (root@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 00:02:57 -0000 Received: from [207.33.94.143] (oak4-143.value.net [207.33.94.143]) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id QAA18693 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:02:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:11:52 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: glittergirl@value.net (eeneR) Subject: Re: where did the magic go? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Herb wrote: >hello again, > >I read this and thought a lot about what he said. The best way I can think to >compare this feeling is that of Dumbo the elephant. The feather wasn't magic >but just a symbol, something physical for dumbo to believe in rather than >believe in himself. That is where the magic lies. > >We were all at one time innocent, naive if you will. Never been to a rave. >Never heard techno in all its wonderous forms. Never enlightened to this >wonderful thing called life. It is that first awakening that we remember the >most. That one moment when you truly felt alive and apart of something >bigger, better, more special. But after that you can never go back. >Its that loss of innocence, loss of virginity. >Its that sudden one time rush that we think we miss the most. I think >that people strive to much to sustain that feeling rather than move forward and >explore the rest of all that is out there. > >People are constantly trying to find that magic formula that caused them to >have that great and wnderful experience. A certain drug that was taken, >certain people that you were with. But always miss the mark. >They get caught up in this constant search for what was never lost just >simply misplaced or forgotten. > >> >> The magic is in that part when a promoter decides to get buck nutty, and >> get the big sound system even though it means only breaking even. >> >> The magic is in going to the party where you don't know anyone, to see the >> scene for what it is, not a bunch of friends who go to the same events >> every weekend. > >Think about your first few parties. You didn't know anyone but the people you >came with, but left feeling like you met and hugged everyone that night. The >music and faces were new. The experience was new. > >> >> The magic is in the records that the DJ keeps at the back of their bag, >> that they've wanted to play forever, but never hads the guts or chance >> to... >> >> The magic is when that record gets dropped on the decks, and everybody >> loves it as much as the freak who dropped it. >> >> The magic is in putting out a mixtape with a mistake on it, because it has >> a certain energy that makes you bounce in your drivers seat. >> >> The magic is that lighting program that makes it look like the floor just >> raised a couple feet, and everybody was riding it. >> >> The magic is in a visual that makes you realize that we are no better than >> a group of aborignies dancing around a fire, or a child fascinated with a >> light, or a deer staring at a skyscraper in the distance and wondering >> > why? <. >> >> The magic is everybody's responsibility. >> > >I have gone to a lot of parties where it seems like everyone but myself had a >really bad time. And I think back and yeah there was some whacked shit at that >party etc... but I didn't let it affect me or the good time I was going to have >that evening. Partially I think it has to do with experience. I plan and >preempt certain events that can ruin an evening (which everyone should do) >and this just makes my life and everyone's that I am with a whole lot >smoother and less hectic. But most of all it has to do with myself. This past >weekend isn't what I would call the most positive experience I have had in a >while but just for an hour or two I tuned out all that was going on and danced >I didn't really care for the song that was playing but I had my groove buddy >Tom. I didn't care that it was hot, my feet hurt, and all that was going on >All that seemed to matter was the energy flowing between me, tom and everyone >else dancing. > >I think we lose focus to what is truly important. A certain type of music that >we like or don't like, a certain type of dress or drug choice. WE ALL are >victims but at the same time creators of this (sur)reality. When in truth >its just a bunch of people coming together with hopes to experience that >something special. > >It is for me and should be an escape. An escape from the everyday that >forces me >the square peg into the round hole. An escape from the ignorance that >surrounds >me and the misunderstanding that it brings. An escape from a society that >claims >to care but acts just the opposite. > >If you go to your next party with the attitude and mindset to have a good time >dance your ass off no matter what kinda of music is playing. Smile and hug all >the people you don't know. Go to a party sober for once, or do drugs for >the first time in a long while, I can't promise that you will once again feel >the magic, but something will happen. And hey you might once again feel that >thing that made you fall in love with the music, people, scene in the first >place. > >I know that I have grown more and more critical and that >bothers me. Take off the blinders that you have put on yourself, and like >the first time you will once again see. I will do my best to take mine off. > >Life is so so short and each day it grows shorter. > >Smile, hugs and much love to everyone, > >Herb I too have gone to parties and complained that the music sucks, the people suck, the drugs they are on suck, the scene sucks, you know where I am going with this.... then my roommate said that it was all in *my* reality that I needed to change that and all would be better. She got me to thinking. Sure the scene is changing, but if it did not we would get bored of it and what the hell else are we going to do on a Saturday night go bowling;-) so I took my blinders off and became scared. How was I going to handle myself now that I was no longer in bliss and no longer upset with my surroundings? I found that those times that I had been complaining had sucked the life out of me and I forgot how to smile and dance my butt off. I felt like I was old and out of touch with everything and everyone. I could not connect and was lost at parties. I can not say what it was that brought me back to *our* reality, but I am back and I am happy and I am in love with everyone and everything once again:-) the magic is everyones' responsibility, and it is also everyones' freedom. When you go to a party and it is too hot and the music sucks and the people are rude, just close your eyes and try and feel the rythym and beauty that is in you and everyone around you and let it take you away to a better place. It works for me:-) love and happiness to you all, Renee' From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 00:11:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12149 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 00:11:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 12140 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 00:11:56 -0000 Received: from f48.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.59) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 00:11:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 21355 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1997 00:11:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105001128.21354.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.86.155.91 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:11:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.86.155.91] From: "Josh_E Josh" To: megan@medialive.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hello again! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:11:27 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk just thought i'd share this thread... some great ideas for an ug party for sfravers and friends... >> maybe even plan >> some sort of community get to know your neighbor raver games at the >> party...! i know that sounds sort of corny... but i'm always into >> fun/silly stuff like that!!! > >i always thought it would be cool to have a "games" room instead of, >or in addition to, a chill out room. you could have someone from the >event crew running a continuous game of twister, or maybe a big >communal artwork that anyone could add to. or some sort of cool old >skool games that don't take much brain power, mousetrap or operation >or rockem' sockem' robots. just something to give people an excuse to >interact with people they don't know... great ideas, messiah wannabe!!! i love games!!! it's always sooo cozy to sit down with friends/family, some snacks, and loads of games... ------------------------------------- You're just a Player! That's All! You like to play mind games...don't you? =0P Josh From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 00:13:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12752 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 00:13:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 12725 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 00:13:08 -0000 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.117) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 00:13:08 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id QAA11388; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:12:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:12:45 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... To: Paula Sinclear cc: JD4150171@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971104201958.16948.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Count me in on CF's 7. That was a great party. Probably the best one I ever went to was Elevation2, but that wasn't so much because of the party as it was my introduction to the fun side of the SoCal-Raves scene. But that CF party ranks a very very very close second (especially considering all the shit Joe and I went through to get there! :D ) On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Paula Sinclear wrote: > >In a message dated 97-11-03 13:51:42 EST, you write: > > > ><< > > How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? > > and WHY? > > > > love jeremy > > >> > > > I just have to say that my all time favortive party was CF NEW YEAR'S > 96/97! > I have to give CF another big thank you! There was lots of space, > considering that there were 600 people. The DJs totally threw down, and > I met a lot of people there that are now my good friends. Wow, all I > have to say is, "What a night!" > > Paula > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 00:45:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23329 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 00:45:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 23319 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 00:45:48 -0000 Received: from mole.slip.net (HELO mole) (207.171.193.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 00:45:48 -0000 Received: from sf-pm9-6-198.dialup.slip.net [207.171.196.198] by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xStbL-0006b9-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:45:44 -0800 Message-ID: <345FC122.49F4@earthling.net> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:43:14 -0800 From: voltron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: wowie@hotmail.com Subject: Tonite: The Glad Hand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Tuesday November 4. "The Glad Hand" 9pm-2am $5/21+ @ Paradise Lounge 1501 Folsom @ 11th. DJ Monkey spinning drum 'n' bass. Performing live: Halou Sweet Trip Junior Varsity (ambient/experimental drum & bass) Busheeloop (jungle/drum & bass) Anyone want to go? I'm going to this. Because I have to play there! Hope to meet some of you there :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 00:52:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24973 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 00:52:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 24955 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 00:52:05 -0000 Received: from f17.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.28) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 00:52:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 22255 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1997 00:51:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105005137.22254.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.59.148.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:51:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.59.148.6] From: "denise castillo" To: nyc-raves@hyperreal.org, fl-raves@cat.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org, socal-raves@ucsd.edu, ravedata@partnercomm.com Subject: Re: looking for... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:51:35 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey.... :) i'd luuuuv 2 trade sum flyer'z with u!! i'm in new mexico... so let me know if u'd like 2 do that... and we'll exchange addresses n'such or whateva... :) Luv'n'Hugzzzz.... dEnisE >From sfraves-owner-elmozgrrl=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 3 20:57:01 1997 >Received: (qmail 17335 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 04:56:47 -0000 >Received: (qmail 17318 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 04:56:44 -0000 >Received: from paradigm.partnercomm.com (ravedata@205.147.250.5) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 04:56:44 -0000 >Received: from localhost (ravedata@localhost) > by paradigm.partnercomm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24650; > Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:56:45 -0500 >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:56:44 -0500 (EST) >From: Rave Data Compiler >X-Sender: ravedata@paradigm >To: nyc-raves , fl-raves , > sf-raves , socal-raves >Subject: looking for... >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >Hey everyone- > I am looking for some serious flyer traders...I have about 500 or >600 to trade with others...I want flyers from everywhere (if possible) if >anyone is interested in trading with us let me know!Love- >Nicole (& Matt) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >The RAVEDATA Project ravedata@partnercomm.com > flyer trades: www.partnercomm.com/~flyers > mixtape trades: www.partnercomm.com/~tapes > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 01:37:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5526 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 01:37:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 5517 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 01:37:50 -0000 Received: from ella.mills.edu (144.91.3.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 01:37:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 13703 invoked by uid 2699); 4 Nov 1997 17:37:01 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:37:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Priscilla M. Martinez" To: Messiah Wannabe cc: Leslie Ayres , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Is it just me .. ? In-Reply-To: <19971104212947.20274.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yes i feel all of you. i found this situation especially disappointing when it happened with a close friend that i, with a close mutual friend, introduced to the rave scene. sure she thought the music was cool and all and the decorations were "nice" and the people "interesting". but the first question asked was always "so we gonna get f*cked up?" "lets go find it now, Now,nOw, noW". while i'm standing there like a dork with my arms stretched out and my mouth open thinking "well, i just wanted to give you a hug and say whats up." its kinda sad. so on that happy note:) i hope everybody is having a WoNDErFuL Day. take care dears con amor y paz priscis From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 01:53:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10843 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 01:53:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 10834 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 01:53:50 -0000 Received: from f75.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.181) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 01:53:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 27056 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1997 01:53:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105015322.27055.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.59.148.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:53:22 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.59.148.6] From: "denise castillo" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, fish1111@pacbell.net Subject: Re: is it just me? - Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:53:22 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk that wuz a b-u-tiful poem..!!! :) thankz!! ur sooo krafty.... i just wanna give u a giant hug!! :) Luv'n'Hugzzzzz..... denise >From sfraves-owner-elmozgrrl=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 4 13:32:48 1997 >Received: (qmail 29547 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 21:32:38 -0000 >Received: (qmail 29537 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 21:32:37 -0000 >Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 21:32:37 -0000 >Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-63.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.63]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA09523 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:32:35 -0800 (PST) >Message-ID: <345F94B3.4148@pacbell.net> >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:33:39 -0800 >From: fish1111@pacbell.net >X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: is it just me? <"}}}>< >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >Are you on drugs? >No im here for the hugs. > >he gave me that look >and my heart just shook > >and i did not like it >not one little bit > >and then something went bump >How that bump made us jump. > >and then a boom >came from the front room > >Behind that spinning mat >was a cat...in a hat > >the boom made our hearts quake >and our bodies shake > >No drugs for me tonight. >For my flight into the light, >just the hugs and music >will do the trick. > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 01:59:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12305 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 01:59:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 12295 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 01:59:46 -0000 Received: from f46.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.57) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 01:59:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 20344 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1997 01:59:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105015919.20343.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.59.148.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:59:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.59.148.6] From: "denise castillo" To: TeKnODiVa@aol.com, csaldana@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: RAVING IS A CULT Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:59:18 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yAy!!! :) i've been raving for 5 yearz now..... and i'm a rave-a-holik az well!! and i luuuuv it!! it'z a major source uv enjoyment in my life... muzic n'dancing... that'z what it'z about baby!! :)..... Luv'n'Hugzzzz..... dEnisE >From sfraves-owner-elmozgrrl=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 4 08:45:54 1997 >Received: (qmail 10570 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 16:45:47 -0000 >Received: (qmail 10561 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 16:45:45 -0000 >Received: from f91.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.197) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 16:45:45 -0000 >Received: (qmail 13379 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1997 16:45:17 -0000 >Message-ID: <19971104164517.13378.qmail@hotmail.com> >Received: from 205.186.119.177 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:45:17 PST >X-Originating-IP: [205.186.119.177] >From: "Carol Saldana" >To: TeKnODiVa@aol.com >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: RAVING IS A CULT >Content-Type: text/plain >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:45:17 PST >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >You wrote > >> It's just not an addiction I'm ready to give up on yet.... > > >I've been addicted for 6 years running! Can't stop now! > >Bye, > >Carol > >They said it's the music..... > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 02:01:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13281 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 02:01:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 13272 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 02:01:22 -0000 Received: from emout23.mx.aol.com (HELO emout23.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.128) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 02:01:22 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout23.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA20966 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:00:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:00:46 -0500 (EST) From: XGrRLsTrX@aol.com Message-ID: <971104192957_410890671@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: =P*LiTTLe rAVeRs* =P Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-04 06:33:49 EST, you write: I'm just rambling, but I do believe raving is a very addictive thing. It's just not an addiction I'm ready to give up on yet.... >> I agree with this statement!!! I might be the "little teenager" as well, but I have my perogatives down pretty well. I don't go to parties to get "fucked up", in fact, I barely ever take chemicals into my system, and when I do, I make sure that I am doing so in the most responsible manner possible. I never take anything when I am depressed. I make sure that I am never running away from the problem. I make sure that I am always in control, or if a possiblility of me losing control in the near future arises, I make sure that there is someone there to watch/tend/help me. I'm in it for the love of the music, the love of seeing tons of strangers dancing to the same beat, and the love of meeting new and interesting people.. I try to keep my life as balanced as possible and not let partying EVER get away from my priorities, ie school, job etc. The main reason why I am blabbing my fingers off is because I want everyone to know that not all teenagers are just completely absorbed with posing, getting fucked up, and are irresponsible and ignorant. I don't think that age is the main determiner of which individual possesses these traits. I'm sure there is a fair amount of adults in this scene who are just as guilty of possessing these traits just as much as any teenager. =P Had to let it out. -=~*LaUrE@*~=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 02:33:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17660 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 02:33:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 17649 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 02:33:37 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 02:33:37 -0000 Received: (from ldylove@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VRM10217; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:00:26 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:51:16 -0800 Subject: Re: hello again! Message-ID: <19971104.175209.5791.6.ldylove@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19971104125254.006ba6b0@medialive.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-27,31-33 From: ldylove@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:52:54 -0800 Megan Hug writes: >just thought i'd share this thread... some great ideas for an ug party >for >sfravers and friends... > >>> maybe even plan >>> some sort of community get to know your neighbor raver games at the >>> party...! i know that sounds sort of corny... but i'm always into >>> fun/silly stuff like that!!! >> >>i always thought it would be cool to have a "games" room instead of, >>or in addition to, a chill out room. you could have someone from the >>event crew running a continuous game of twister, or maybe a big >>communal artwork that anyone could add to. or some sort of cool old >>skool games that don't take much brain power, mousetrap or operation >>or rockem' sockem' robots. just something to give people an excuse >to >>interact with people they don't know... > >great ideas, messiah wannabe!!! >i love games!!! >it's always sooo cozy to sit down with friends/family, some snacks, >and >loads of games... > > I think this idea would be great. I have really been wanting to throw a rave more like and interactive art gallery. I think a room just for finger painting ravers would be fabulous. I am still in planning stages but ideas like this are what I am going for. RLove From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 02:33:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18114 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 02:33:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 17981 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 02:33:43 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 02:33:43 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UDE10217; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:43:12 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 03:58:10 -0800 Subject: Re: BP!!! Message-ID: <19971104.040117.8078.4.drek1@juno.com> References: <3.0.32.19971104151011.00abe0b4@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-40 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Whoa!! I was there rekkid shopping when they were having one of their meetings at the Trance and Jungle Factory the other night. Pretty weird. dErEk On Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:10:14 -0800 Harmony writes: >Hello Beautiful People, > >We are proud to present to you the following... > >On, Saturday December 20th '97 > >The Harmony Family envites you to join us for a night of pure positive >energy! As a symbol of this party taking us back to Harmony's roots, >we are >dedicating this party to the memories of past nights shared with all >of our >friends and families. As well as the dedication, we are naming this >party >"Beautiful People", as in old school Harmony style. > >We have not done as many events this year as years past, so we want to >make >this one extra special. We have a beautiful new site for our family >gathering, located in the great S.F. area. There are going to be a >very >limited number of tickets for this family party (500). They will all >be >availible soon in your local record stores. So keep your eyes and ears >open >for more info. > >We are really excited about this party and hope that you are able to >join >us for this very special night!!! Stay tooned for more info!!! > >Peace and love, > >Harmony = ) > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 02:49:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22058 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 02:49:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 22048 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 02:49:08 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 02:49:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 21765 invoked by alias); 5 Nov 1997 02:49:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105024906.21762.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 21725 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 02:49:03 -0000 Received: from madmax-34.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.34) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 02:49:03 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:47:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: In need of Static Review Reply-to: Faro@usa.net In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19971104122921.01529088@postoffice.pacbell.net> References: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211ACDB7@tanis.lucaslearning .com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >> Static is 10pm-2am every Tuesday at Liquid >> 2925 16th St. at South Van Ness in sunny SF >> 2 buck cover Does anyone have a review of _Static_ for me? I have WAY too much energy for a Tuesday night, and am thinking of going to Static to burn some of it off. So, I would love to hear a review from anyone who has been there recently. Thanks :) -Faro Faro@usa.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 03:13:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27970 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 03:13:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 27961 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 03:13:18 -0000 Received: from viking.dvc.edu (192.235.0.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 03:13:18 -0000 Received: by viking.dvc.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0xSvyO-002QVGC; Tue, 4 Nov 97 19:17 PST Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:17:40 -0800 (PST) From: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: jus' trax rekkids? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey all you fellow rekkid lovers... I was wondering how many of you house heads out there love the jus' trax label, and all the stuff that they've put out? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 03:23:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 234 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 03:23:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 223 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 03:23:48 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 03:23:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 28655 invoked by alias); 5 Nov 1997 03:23:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105032346.28654.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 28641 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 03:23:45 -0000 Received: from madmax-34.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.34) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 03:23:45 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:23:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: is it just me? <"}}}>< Reply-to: Faro@usa.net CC: fish1111@pacbell.net In-reply-to: <345F94B3.4148@pacbell.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Here is my little story on the subect... I put it in rhyme since little fish are always inspiring me to do crazy things like that: Went to a party The music was phat Dancin' my ass off To the beats from the cat My legs were achin' But I didn't care... But, finally they forced me to collapse in a chair. I must have looked Cracked Out, as you will soon see This guy comes up to me and wants to buy some E! He was sure I was on somethin' Cus I was dancin' like a lunatic But the only thing I was on Was the sound of the music! -Faro Faro@usa.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 03:25:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 932 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 03:25:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 913 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 03:25:17 -0000 Received: from f49.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.60) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 03:25:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 28840 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1997 03:24:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105032449.28839.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 19:24:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: A thought Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 03:24:49 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay my response to question of being "fuct up" all the time at a rave, is this...What if there were ravers who like to get fucked up? Who like to listen to the music while they are on drugs? and who like to socialize under the influence in general? Maybe there are some people who look down upon the constant "chillin'" of ravers at parties, but maybe they are enjoying the drugs for a reason, It may be spiritual, insightful, it may even be dark and evil, but for some reason these people like to be detatched from reality-on the weekends-because maybe they feel that during the week, doing the same things over and over again (work, school, sports, etc.) gets really boring and they need some sort of an outlet, something to let their minds go, far. There are also the ravers or people who thoroughly enjoy their sobriety. The group of the above talked about probably doesn't even really care if you are under the influence or not it is most likely a ploy for conversation because they are too high to even remember what they had just stated. Sobriety/good /bad, it is all dependant on the person and how they were raised. It shouldn't be a statement of "it sucks when..." It should be a "It kicks ass when we are all here together having a good time, drug induced or not." Each individual should be responsible for their own actions because in the long run You, yourself, are going to be the only person who is impoortant. I'll live my life and I wont live the life of the person who just walked upo t me and asked "are you fucked up?" Opinionated Slinkeees o o o o0 o0 0 O o From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 03:28:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1585 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 03:28:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 1575 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 03:28:03 -0000 Received: from f49.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.60) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 03:28:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 29676 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1997 03:27:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105032736.29675.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 19:27:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: A fire... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 03:27:36 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk -0- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 05:01:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21666 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 05:01:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 21657 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 05:01:44 -0000 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com (larryc@192.100.81.114) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 05:01:44 -0000 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id VAA20063; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:01:34 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Ching Message-Id: <199711050501.VAA20063@netcom6.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Is it just me .. ?(alt version) To: anarchy@galaxy.galstar.com (U.A.A.) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:01:34 -0800 (PST) Cc: galaxy.galstar.com@netcom6.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <199711041945.NAA18491@galaxy.galstar.com> from "U.A.A." at Nov 4, 97 01:45:42 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Herb said - > > This has been on my mind a lot recently and I want to know if it is just > me or do other people feel the same way. > ... > Okay, it really bothers me that when you see a friend or just anyone you > haevn't seen in a while at a party one of the first questions they ask you is > "Are you fuct up?" "Are you on anything?" I know this doesn't sound too bad > but let me continue. I really don't have a problem answering their question > if they really wanted to know. But this phrase seems to migrated to just a > general conversation starter like "how's it going" ... > ... > It just frustrates me, b/c I feel like I have to defend my soberness and my > actions or lack there of. > ... > But no necessarily the same person but it has happened that the next time > they ask me and I reply "Yeah I am on E" I get this whole new response of a > smile and a hug. > I think this has to do somewhat with a perception that the "right" drugs are necessary for raver membership. ( Yuck! ) Also, that an "E hug" shouldn't be wasted on someone who wouldn't appreciate it as much as if they were on E. Also, that in some way, the person who is sober is "taking" when someone who is on E is hugging them. If both are on E, it's sharing. Some points I wanted to bring up about drugs ... just some advice based on experience - 1. Check yourself to see if you're choosing your friends mainly because you share the same drug preferences/addictions. 2. Reappraise your relationship to a person - is the major reason you're friends because that person can get you drugs? If so, slide gracefully out of that relationship - it's bad for you and for that person. 3. Even assholes like E, and can still be assholes after the experience. Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 05:30:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26903 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 05:30:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 26894 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 05:30:46 -0000 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (root@192.100.81.119) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 05:30:46 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id VAA23892; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:26:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:26:10 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: looking for... To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" In-Reply-To: <19971105005137.22254.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey, is this woman going to get flamed and scolded on the list for cross-posting? I just want to make sure other cross-posters get the same kind of PLURry treatment that I got a couple of months back... On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, denise castillo wrote: > hey.... :) > i'd luuuuv 2 trade sum flyer'z with u!! i'm in new mexico... so let me > know if u'd like 2 do that... and we'll exchange addresses n'such or > whateva... :) > Luv'n'Hugzzzz.... > dEnisE > > >From sfraves-owner-elmozgrrl=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 3 > 20:57:01 1997 > >Received: (qmail 17335 invoked by uid 6000); 4 Nov 1997 04:56:47 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 17318 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 04:56:44 -0000 > >Received: from paradigm.partnercomm.com (ravedata@205.147.250.5) > > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 04:56:44 -0000 > >Received: from localhost (ravedata@localhost) > > by paradigm.partnercomm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24650; > > Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:56:45 -0500 > >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:56:44 -0500 (EST) > >From: Rave Data Compiler > >X-Sender: ravedata@paradigm > >To: nyc-raves , fl-raves , > > sf-raves , socal-raves > >Subject: looking for... > >Message-ID: > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org > >Precedence: bulk > > > >Hey everyone- > > I am looking for some serious flyer traders...I have about 500 or > >600 to trade with others...I want flyers from everywhere (if possible) > if > >anyone is interested in trading with us let me know!Love- > >Nicole (& Matt) > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >The RAVEDATA Project > ravedata@partnercomm.com > > flyer trades: > www.partnercomm.com/~flyers > > mixtape trades: > www.partnercomm.com/~tapes > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 05:38:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 181 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 05:38:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 172 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 05:38:29 -0000 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com (larryc@192.100.81.114) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 05:38:29 -0000 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id VAA22398 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:38:28 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Ching Message-Id: <199711050538.VAA22398@netcom6.netcom.com> Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:38:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Favorite parties? Gee, you're asking me to date myself! In no particular quality order: - Toon Town's "UFOs Are Real" in 1992 , because it was my first! - Vortex, a break-in(?) warehouse rave with tons of vibe! - Friends and Family parties at Kommotion : yeah, it was a sweatbox, but oh so fine. - Various Sunset parties at Berkeley Marina and Point Molate. - Area 51, and other massives at the Richmond Civic Center. Getting your bag searched by off-duty cops was a small price to pay for a safe and secure raving site with tons of seating and huge restrooms and chill rooms with decent sound isolation from the main floor area. ( Hey, are there any possible sites near the Oakland P.D. ? :-} ) - Chrysalis and other Gateway parties, cause Gateway is good people. - First and so far only Sunset Boat party last month , now I know what everyone's talking about! - This summer's 4X4 and Friends and Family campouts , if for nothing else for settling my fear of camping! ( OK, so both were at campgrounds with toilets and showers .. I gotta start somewhere! ). Also, great people and great music. And to any promoters and other party folks out there that I know - my apologies if I forgot to mention your party! These are just the ones that I remember the most fondly... Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 05:46:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2639 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 05:46:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 2630 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 05:46:04 -0000 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com (larryc@192.100.81.114) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 05:46:04 -0000 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id VAA22963; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:46:02 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Ching Message-Id: <199711050546.VAA22963@netcom6.netcom.com> Subject: NRR: Gotta go ... To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:46:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi SFRavers - Due to pressures at work, I'm gonna unsub from SFraves (again). I'll be back , maybe in 1998 or sooner. I'll keep my calendar subscription - won't be totally partyless ! And I'd appreciate it if folks who know me drop me a line every once and awhile. Au Revoir (sic) Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 05:46:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3139 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 05:46:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 3108 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 05:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 05:46:13 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca29-19.ix.netcom.com [204.31.235.147]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10621; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:42:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34600869.1FDCC6FC@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:47:21 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Vonie CC: Break Dancer , SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: $$COOLWORLD$$ References: <19971023202327.5663.qmail@hotmail.com> <3659E645.BECFE6E2@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ray Vonie Wrote: > Actually CWP is standing up for everyone in the entire dance > community by filing this suite. Can't argue that one! They ARE standing up for the DANCE COMMUNITY. They are NOT standing up for the RAVE COMMUNITY. Therefore this 4.5 million dollar suite has nothing to do with ravers, just party people. Anywayz, why trip? It's only cool world, what would you expect? Paul*E*Wog From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 05:48:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4324 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 05:48:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 4315 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 05:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.26) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 05:48:47 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca29-19.ix.netcom.com [204.31.235.147]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04075; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:45:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346009CF.144A0F52@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:53:19 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bABy HueY CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: A thought References: <19971105032449.28839.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk What is fuct up? Are we fuct up? Is fuct up, fuct up? To me, fuct up on drugs would have to fuct up on drugs. I don't view psychedelics as drugs. More as, mind altering tools. So there fore I would say I was fuct up on mind altering tools. So, in that sense, I have only been fucked up on one drug ever, Vicodin. Love, Paul*E*Wog bABy HueY wrote: > > Okay my response to question of being "fuct up" all the time at a > rave, is this...What if there were ravers who like to get fucked up? > Who like to listen to the music while they are on drugs? and who like > to socialize under the influence in general? Maybe there are some > people who look down upon the constant "chillin'" of ravers at parties, > but maybe they are enjoying the drugs for a reason, It may be spiritual, > insightful, it may even be dark and evil, but for some reason these > people like to be detatched from reality-on the weekends-because maybe > they feel that during the week, doing the same things over and over > again (work, school, sports, etc.) gets really boring and they need some > sort of an outlet, something to let their minds go, far. > There are also the ravers or people who thoroughly enjoy their > sobriety. The group of the above talked about probably doesn't even > really care if you are under the influence or not it is most likely a > ploy for conversation because they are too high to even remember what > they had just stated. Sobriety/good /bad, it is all dependant on the > person and how they were raised. > It shouldn't be a statement of "it sucks when..." It should be a "It > kicks ass when we are all here together having a good time, drug induced > or not." > Each individual should be responsible for their own actions because in > the long run You, yourself, are going to be the only person who is > impoortant. I'll live my life and I wont live the life of the person > who just walked upo t me and asked "are you fucked up?" > > Opinionated > > Slinkeees > o > o > o o0 o0 > 0 O o From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 06:26:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9956 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 06:25:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 9946 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 06:25:57 -0000 Received: from f29.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.40) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 06:25:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 9367 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1997 06:25:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105062530.9366.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.114.152.170 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:25:29 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.114.152.170] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: BSP: PsyChoFunKaDELicoUs pRoDuctioNs Presents... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:25:29 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ok, folks it's getting closer and I'm getting more and more exctied everyday so here's some more info... On December 12th, 1997 ---Psychofunkadelicious Productions Presesnts--- "Playground" ..."An epic underground party, dedicated to the SFraving family experience" Your Dj's for the night will be... In the main room In the Jungle room Macadio SK3 Vertigo Dj Science Micron Hak Jelo & Fubari (XOR Tag-team) Siphon Thorfio Sam Pyro In the Chill Room Deepfog Pengo Jeph 64K Lori ...Plus a few special guests :) This party will be held in an indoor SF location from 10 pm to 6 am on Friday, December 12th. Tickets for this event will be 10 dollars and will go on sale a few weeks before the event takes place. To keep the amount of party-goers our desired numer (300-350 people,) we are going to try to sell most of the tickets through ourselves (Ben and Myself). There will be a LIMITED number of tickets sold at the map point so PLEASE try to get your tickets early. We would rather have all of you SFraves family members there, then any stragglers just looking for a party on Friday night. Various times and places where you can hook up with us to get tickets in advance will be anounced at a later date. But keep posted, cause we're gonna try to get them out as soon as possible. The info-line with other information and directions to the map point will also be available ASAP. Anywayz, keep looing for our playground...cause we're all kidz at heart :) P.S. if you need to get in touch with Ben or Myself, send me and E-mail, and I'll get back to you as soon as possible. Leave me a phone number where I can reach you at because I'm not really fond of internet communication :P...Thanks. ************************************************************* Stay Cool! /////// /// /// /////// ////// ////// /////// /////// /// /// /// /// // /// / // /// /// // /// /// /// /// // /////\ ////// /// /// // /// /// /// /////// /// \\ // /////// /////// tm. Matthew A. Schwartz -Matt...the other one- "If the beats were matched, and the levels were just right... these records might actually sound good together!" ************************************************************* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 06:45:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12380 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 06:45:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 12371 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 06:45:44 -0000 Received: from emout27.mx.aol.com (HELO emout27.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 06:45:44 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout27.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA07607; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:45:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:45:03 -0500 (EST) From: JD4150171@aol.com Message-ID: <971105000131_539648139@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: ldylove@juno.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hello again! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk It's ironic that this post came today - last night at NO TV they had a large corner set up like a living room (cushy couches, long drapery, coffee tables, and rugs) - on all the different walls were different local art students installations, astrology, crayons and paper, a real Twister game, a Light Brigjt game - remember those! and all sorts of candy, insense and the usual goodies. But it really worked. I think your idea to have a room like this at a rave/party is great- give you something to do while you rest your feet, and especially good for meeting new people or if someone came on their own and was feeling akward or anything. \jd :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 07:17:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16341 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 07:17:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 16314 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 07:17:50 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 07:17:50 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-28-74.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.28.74]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id XAA18963 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:17:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34602CCC.3B26@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 00:22:36 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR--A BIT A HUMOR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I FOUND THIS ITS FUNNY< READ IT > =] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Two Statues Two naked statues, a man and a woman, had been standing looking at each other, in a park, for a hundred years. One day, an angel came to visit them and said that since they had stood there so patiently through all the summers and winters, they would be rewarded by half an hour of human life, to do what they had been wanting to do most. So the two statues came to life, looked at each other a bit shyly, and laughed a bit and said "Shall We?" and "Yes Let's." So they dashed for the bushes, from which shortly emerged a good deal of giggling, laughter, and shaking of branches. After a quarter of an hour, they came out from behind the bushes all hot and flustered and happy. The angel said they had used only half their time and why didn't they start all over again. So the statues giggled a bit and the man statue said to the woman statue, "OK, let's do it again. Only this time, we'll do it the other way around. I'll hold the pigeon down and you crap on it!!" TERESA From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 08:46:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2512 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 08:46:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 2503 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 08:46:56 -0000 Received: from mrin38.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin38.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.148) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 08:46:56 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA28028 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 03:46:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 03:46:21 -0500 (EST) From: DjMarq@aol.com Message-ID: <971105034243_1279830359@mrin38> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: ????????? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yep! that vvas me vvith the big tide box backpack. I also had on my tall red hat vvith vvhite polkadots. yay!! MarQ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 10:03:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23598 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 10:03:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 23587 invoked by uid 24); 5 Nov 1997 10:03:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 20349 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 02:55:27 -0000 Received: from mole.slip.net (HELO mole) (207.171.193.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 02:55:27 -0000 Received: from sf-pm15-13-205.dialup.slip.net [207.171.197.205] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xSZ9E-0003CQ-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:55:22 -0800 X-Sender: illumin8@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:36:17 -0900 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: FREQUENCY 8 Subject: Important info on new tape Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk For anyone who has just purchased the new MARS tape or knows someone who has, there is a major duplication problem on some of these tapes. If something doesn't sound right, it's because it isn't. They have all been sent back to the manufacture and a new batch will be out sometime next week. Please bring back the tape to wherever you bought it from and it will be gladly exchanged. Thank you for understanding the situation and Stay Tuned In. ** A double CD version of this tape will also be out shortly. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 10:04:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24126 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 10:04:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 24102 invoked by uid 24); 5 Nov 1997 10:03:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 10484 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 04:25:09 -0000 Received: from mrin41.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin41.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 04:25:09 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA12625; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:24:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:24:32 -0500 (EST) From: XTC4UANDME@aol.com Message-ID: <971103232331_1403277032@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Happy Kidz (short review) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well, I know a lot of people didn't like the heat, but I was smart. I took the job of selling the water alllll night long so I had a place to rest all night away from tyhe heat. And while I was there passing out the water I met TONS of people. More than I've met at any other rave in my life. Can I remember them all?? Lesse. . . Well, first and foremost, I met Jeremy B. finally (drove him there), _Cyblade_ with a swooping hug (and a ton more later on), Joe whom I met waaaay back at A New Hope, Ma66ie and her two friends (great outfits. ;o), A bunch of Sara's (all of you were / Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5657 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 11:11:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 5648 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 11:11:25 -0000 Received: from iceland-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO iceland.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.28) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 11:11:25 -0000 Received: from [153.34.229.100] (1Cust100.max43.san-francisco2.ca.ms.uu.net [153.34.229.100]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA10101 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 03:11:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711051111.DAA10101@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: BSP: PsyChoFunKaDELicoUs pRoDuctioNs Presents... Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 03:12:22 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: hak1 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yeah, i think i'll go to this one! might meet some SFravers there :) haK From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 11:16:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7204 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 11:16:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 7194 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 11:16:46 -0000 Received: from iceland-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO iceland.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.28) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 11:16:46 -0000 Received: from [153.34.229.100] (1Cust100.max43.san-francisco2.ca.ms.uu.net [153.34.229.100]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA10811; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 03:16:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711051116.DAA10811@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: =P*LiTTLe rAVeRs* =P Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 03:17:25 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: hak1 To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yeah, go on with the adults. you only have to look at such clubs as 'velvet shop' (alcohol), spundaes (anything goes), nikita (verbatim), end up (the same). most older people, myself included, do tend to pass judgement on the younger in a not so pleasent light, but we are just as fuked up, if not more! hak (sober 3 1/4 years now!! speed suks;( From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 14:56:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11799 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 14:56:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 11777 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 14:56:13 -0000 Received: from paradigm.partnercomm.com (ravedata@205.147.250.5) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 14:56:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (ravedata@localhost) by paradigm.partnercomm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03553; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:56:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:56:09 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Data Compiler X-Sender: ravedata@paradigm To: mtn-raves , sf-raves , az-raves cc: dcraves Subject: flyer traders!? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello everyone... We are looking for people who would like to trade flyers with us...we have lots of duplicate copies of them...check out our page with a listing of the dups we have... www.partnercomm.com/~flyers/ and write to us at flyers@partnercomm.com if you would like to trade! Love- Nicole & Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The RAVEDATA Project ravedata@partnercomm.com flyer trades: www.partnercomm.com/~flyers mixtape trades: www.partnercomm.com/~tapes From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 15:56:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24838 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 15:56:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 24829 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 15:56:37 -0000 Received: from mx1.ten.net (HELO ten.net) (204.162.251.51) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 15:56:37 -0000 Received: from ten.net (NorCal56k115.NetWiz.Net [208.25.55.15]) by ten.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA05248 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 07:56:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34609677.461C3148@ten.net> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 07:53:27 -0800 From: Pengo Reply-To: Pengo@ten.net Organization: Pengo Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Flyers that are Records that are Flyers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk So I'm flipping through the rave magazine at my friends house (can't remember which mag) and they have a shot of this flyer from some other city that is _also_ a record! You know, thoes floppy ones they used to put in magazines. Pretty cool huh? Is there a massive promoter in the house that has given any thought to this? I'm shure it's not very cost efficent, but damn it's such a fucking rad idea! -=Pengo=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 16:39:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1411 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 16:39:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 1401 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 16:39:32 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 16:39:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105163736.903.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.112] by attach1; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:37:36 PST Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:37:36 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: =P*LiTTLe rAVeRs* =P To: hak1 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk you go boy... sober since jan. 95...speed does suck..it kills... === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---hak1 wrote: > > yeah, go on with the adults. you only have to look at such clubs as > 'velvet shop' (alcohol), spundaes (anything goes), nikita (verbatim), end > up (the same). most older people, myself included, do tend to pass > judgement on the younger in a not so pleasent light, but we are just as > fuked up, if not more! > > hak > > (sober 3 1/4 years now!! speed suks;( > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 16:59:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5938 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 16:59:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 5928 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 16:59:04 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 16:59:04 -0000 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) id <01IPN89WS3SK9LX1K6@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:58:56 PDT Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Doreen Subject: RE: RAVING IS A CULT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-id: <01IPN89WSDFQ9LX1K6@SONOMA.EDU> X-VMS-To: SMTP%"sfraves@hyperreal.org" SMTP%"TeKnODiVa@aol.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey there 'trice :-) doreen here. i totally agre with you, raving is addicting. i'm an addict just as well. along with about 98% of ppl on this list. i think it's hey there 'trice :-) doreen here. well, i haven't added my 2 pennies to a threat in a while, here goes: i totally agre with you, raving is addicting. i'm an addict along with about 98% of ppl on this list. i think it's hypocritical when ppl start yapping about 'too many young kids on drugs' at parties, cuz you know what? we have to be kidding ourselves if we don't admit that a lot of ravErs are...well...drug users (i said a lot, not ALL). i beleive it can be a tool to enhance i totally agre with you, raving is addicting. i'm an addict along with about 98% of ppl on this list. i think it's hypocritical (and i'll be the first to admit that I am a hypocrite too) when ppl start complaining about 'too many young kids on drugs' at parties, cuz you know what? we have to be kidding ourselves if we don't admit that a lot of ravErs are...well...drug users (i said a lot, not ALL). i beleive it can be a tool to enhance the beauty of the music, the beauty of ppl....but it can also destroy the beauty of these things with equal facilitation. that is why the word 'moderation' is the key....everything to an extreme can be hazardous to one's health (physical/mental/emotional). i think that is what many ppl see from time to time, ppl like byroni and derek and seen how taken to extremes, it is self-destructive. but let us not forget the positive aspects of what we are doing... we are like an underground society. i hope that not too many ppl think that this is a new, utopian concept. there has been an underground music scene since the 1920's (think about it, swing kids, zoot suitors, etc.). ..god knows probably longer than that too...i'm sure renessaince ppl had their own secret parties and such. i think ppl need to look at raving for what it is: F-U-N. and when it is no longer fun, you have two options: adapt, or quit. survival of the fittest. as somebody on the list said once...'the party goes on, with or without you'. sadly, this is true for me, you, and him/her. i dunno, i guess we can't expect *everybody* who goes to a party to love it and cherish it in the same way we do. _doreen_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 17:03:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7326 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 17:03:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7313 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 17:03:34 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 17:03:34 -0000 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) id <01IPN8HKQ2A89LX1K6@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:03:28 PDT Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Doreen Subject: Re: RAVING IS A CULT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <01IPN8HKRO5E9LX1K6@SONOMA.EDU> X-VMS-To: SMTP%"sfraves@hyperreal.org" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk whoops...i just saw my own post.. sorry, the cut and paste isn't QUITE up to par, if you can make any sense of it, a lot of duplicate lines. damn VAX. _doreen_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 17:24:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12837 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 17:24:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 12828 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 17:24:07 -0000 Received: from galaxy.galstar.com (anarchy@204.251.80.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 17:24:07 -0000 Received: (from anarchy@localhost) by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08984 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:24:06 -0600 (CST) From: "U.A.A." Message-Id: <199711051724.LAA08984@galaxy.galstar.com> Subject: Re: Flyers that are Records that are Flyers To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:24:06 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <34609677.461C3148@ten.net> from "Pengo" at Nov 5, 97 07:53:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > > So I'm flipping through the rave magazine at my friends house (can't > remember which mag) and they have a shot of this flyer from some other > city that is _also_ a record! You know, thoes floppy ones they used to > put in magazines. Pretty cool huh? Is there a massive promoter in the > house that has given any thought to this? I'm shure it's not very cost > efficent, but damn it's such a fucking rad idea! > > -=Pengo=- > Actually they are really inexpensive. You can find places that will print out like 500-1000 for only a couple of hundred dollars, around the same price for a full color 5x7 glossy flyer = ) very popular with the UG punk scene, no reason it shouldn't migrate, --herb From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 18:28:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27374 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 18:28:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 27364 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 18:28:03 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 18:28:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105182551.12348.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.112] by web4; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:25:51 PST Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:25:51 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: RE: is it just me ? To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ok... here i go... in my brief time in tha scene circa new yrs 97... i've felt i had to explain my sobriety... yes i party drug free... but for me its a choice... tomorrow i may decide to do E.... but "am i fuct up?" tha answer will be "no"... for tha past two yrs actually since just after my DECISION to live a drug free life... i've been working wit kids in a program called Youth 2 Youth... this program is not a just say no program...its rather lets show tha kids everyone is not doing drugs...and "YES" it is possible to have fun not on anything... my going to raves drug free... demonstrates having fun wit out drugs....see i can do it... so can u... kinda thing...i'm struck by what i percieve in tha scene as a pity... or a rather almost looking down on sumone who chose a drug free life style...i chose not to do drugs... you may chose to do drugs... thats your DECISION just as its mine not to...i do not look down on anyone who uses drugs... i hate a few drugs but that is just from my experience witnessing its adverse affects on ones i love...i myself have not always been drug free... i've smoked more than my own share of marijauna.... and drank much more than my own share of alcohol... but that was a DECISION i made in tha past... i love hugs too...massages are nice too...as i've heard they r betta on E... but that is not for me... at least not today... it isn't... maybe tomorrow i will make tha DECISION to do it...but hey thats a DECISION for tomorrow. love n' hugs n' stuff jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 18:34:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29498 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 18:34:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 29487 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 18:34:14 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 18:34:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105183612.13913.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web2; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:36:12 PST Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:36:12 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: RE: is it just me ? To: jeremy bispo , SFRAVES@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Jeremy, First, don't ever feel you need to explain your reason for staying sober to anyone, you don't. Its your life and live it as you see fit. Second, its nice to see someone from the rave community involved in drug free activities especially with kids - right on. Third, you've lived this long without doing "E" why start now? Its your decision but it sounds to me like your doing just fine without it. Laters Layne From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 19:19:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11571 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 19:18:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 11562 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 19:18:58 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 19:18:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9644 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 19:21:08 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 19:21:08 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961105111639.007635a8@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 11:16:39 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: Flyers that are Records that are Flyers In-Reply-To: <199711051724.LAA08984@galaxy.galstar.com> References: <34609677.461C3148@ten.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 11:24 AM 11/5/97 -0600, you wrote: >Actually they are really inexpensive. You can find places that will print >out like 500-1000 for only a couple of hundred dollars, around the same price >for a full color 5x7 glossy flyer = ) ***** we got 10,000 for $300. and another place that can do another 10,000 for us for $500. the quality was JACKED. but i guess youget what you pay for. anyother suggestions? the party is on the 14th, and we need another batch. -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 19:42:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20222 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 19:42:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 20213 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 19:42:48 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 19:42:48 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18575 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA24017; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:22:07 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:30:17 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: Is it just me .. ? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >> "Are you fuct up?" "Are you on anything?" that's when you say, "No, are you? Dood, didn't you hear about all the pills they've been finding tonight with crushed up lightbulbs in them?" seriously, i think a lot of its just typical adolescent/young person awkwardness/geekiness. desire to be doing nawty things and letting everyone else know about it. but also just because of your typical young person geekiness and inability to carry on a decent conversation. I imagine that if you said something like "Why, what does it matter?", maybe they'd start getting the picture that it's an annoying question. They'll never know until you tell em. And I think Dear Abby would agree with me. b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 19:59:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29066 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 19:58:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 29056 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 19:58:55 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (root@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 19:58:55 -0000 Received: from default (port48.plea.prodigy.net [204.237.182.48]) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01183; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:59:37 -0500 Reply-To: "ma66ie tan6" From: "ma66ie tan6" To: "jeremy bispo" , Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:51:43 -0000 Message-ID: <01bce9e1$2fb5faa0$30b6edcc@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk technO lOve children february 15th 1997 presented by PROSOY ooo wee that party ruled! first time i saw orson in two-three years met tonz of peeps and learned to love a6ain. ahhhh those were the memories..... take care love as always ma6s From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 20:05:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 277 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 20:05:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 268 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 20:05:02 -0000 Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.184.79) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 20:05:02 -0000 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.184.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id PAA17673; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:05:00 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from [209.31.12.236] (ts023d16.cup-ca.concentric.net [209.31.13.76]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.7) id PAA18030; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:04:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:14:23 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: shimmer Subject: phone for dan c./micron Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk anyone have a phone# for dan capriles/micron? i sent him e-mail and he hasn't gotten back so i think i'll resort to the phone. the number i'm looking for is acutally the one he posted on the list a while back re:the loft for rent/his roommate olivia. i just cant seem to find the post in my mail and i'm too lazy to sort through the archive with my slllooowww connection. if anyone has it and can save me the trouble. :) ...nudity brings back light to the There is not one among us in whom intimacy of that first house of a devil does not dwell. At some time flesh. It is always nocturnal on some point, that devil masters for a certain gaze- which wishes each of us. It is not having been in for clothing in order to see the dark house, but having left it that it cannot see everything? that counts. - Luce Irigaray - Theodore Roosevelt From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 20:57:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14205 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 20:57:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 14177 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 20:57:00 -0000 Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (158.140.2.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 20:57:00 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id MAA12105 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from hi-av2.cadence.com(158.140.128.32) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma878763417.012097; Wed Nov 5 12:56:57 1997 Received: from [158.140.31.35] (sj4a-25.cadence.com [158.140.31.35]) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19111 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:56:54 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: noah@eudora1.cadence.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:01:15 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah 'Siphon' Ruiz) Subject: _ Come/Unity _ Nov. 5th Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first Wednesday of the month. 10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815 Hello folks! Well I'm off of work for the rest of the week and I've decided to check out Come/Unity Tonight. I haven't been to one in a long time, and I'm taking Amber(amberf@cadence.com) to her first. It was her 21st B-Day yesterday. So can anyone give me the scoop on tonight? Whats the vibe like? Is it hella clubby? Thanks, S i p h o n _________________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/7995 ____I'm a schizophrenic......and so am I! ;)____ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 20:57:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15005 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 20:57:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 14908 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 20:57:17 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 20:57:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105205504.18895.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web4; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 12:55:04 PST Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:55:04 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: Is it just me .. ? To: Customer Service , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Remember, it's not, "How high are you?" it's "Hi, how are you?" LL ---Customer Service wrote: > > >> "Are you fuct up?" "Are you on anything?" > > that's when you say, "No, are you? Dood, didn't you hear about all the > pills they've been finding tonight with crushed up lightbulbs in them?" > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 21:09:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17933 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 21:09:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 17922 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 21:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 21:09:14 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:04:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971105131216.006c0184@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:12:16 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Megan Hug Subject: come-unity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk anyone else making an appearance? ....anyone? ....anyone? ....anyone? ....anyone? ....anyone? ....anyone? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 21:22:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22234 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 21:22:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 22223 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 21:22:18 -0000 Received: from germany-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO germany.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.123) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 21:22:18 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (pool068-max1.oakland-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.146.68]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22637 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:22:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3460E6FA.3904@earthlink.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:36:58 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Phunckatech any1? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was wondering if anyone was planning on going to Phunckateck tonite. I went last week with a couple of friends that ended up kinda holdin' up the wall... they promise to be more behaved this time. Hard for me to relate when I'm so busy bouncing around like a o SUPERBAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL o out of the gumball machine! o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o (nice trajectory eh?) If you wanna hook up, e me privately as I'm not subscribed to the list @ this moment. aurora8@earthlink.net -TRACY PS. Hi Uncle Noah! Hi Deepfog! Hi Ken! Hi Max! Hi Cola! Hi Jay Z! Hi Macadio! BTW, did any of you go to HTM? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 21:30:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23742 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 21:30:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 23726 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 21:30:54 -0000 Received: from mrin40.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin40.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.150) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 21:30:54 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA19648; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:30:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:30:20 -0500 (EST) From: PHUNKN3@aol.com Message-ID: <971105163018_1035530374@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, PHUNKN3@aol.com Subject: PHUNCKATECK 2NITE Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Phunckateck takes place tonight with DJs Noel, UFO, Jason Mouse & JuJu. The location is @: Cat's Alley, 1190 Folsom @ 8th 18+ w/id $5 10pm-3am 415.331-1500 x160 Hope to see you out...PEACE!! NOEL From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 22:10:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6238 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 22:10:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 6224 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 22:10:39 -0000 Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 22:10:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105221030.21814.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [147.128.136.84] by send1a; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:10:30 PST Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:10:30 -0800 (PST) From: Hai La Subject: poem To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk beautiful people, here's a poem forwarded to me from a friend who is leaving :^( love&hugging, hai forwarded mail from aman devgan: This poem is kinda sad.. but when I'm leaving this city and all my wonderful friends behind , it's poems like these that make so much sense.. Keep in touch!!!!! (for real) affectionately, -- Aman Devgan Around The Corner: By Henson Towne Around the corner I have a friend, In this great city that has no end, Yet the days go by and weeks rush on, And before I know it, a year is gone. And I never see my old friends face, For life is a swift and terrible race, He knows I like him just as well, As in the days when I rang his bell. And he rang mine if, we were younger then, And now we are busy, tired men. Tired of playing a foolish game, Tired of trying to make a name. "Tomorrow" I say "I will call on Fred" "Just to show that I'm thinking of him." But tomorrow comes and tomorrow goes, And distance between us grows and grows. Around the corner!- yet miles away, "Here's a telegram sir" "Fred died today." And that's what we get and deserve in the end. Around the corner, a vanished friend. Sent by Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 22:38:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12940 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 22:38:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 12923 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 22:38:45 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 22:38:45 -0000 Received: (from ivan8r@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ReO26550; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 17:36:44 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:15:06 -0800 Subject: Lords of Acid!! Message-ID: <19971105.145126.10758.0.ivan8r@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,9-10,14-16 From: ivan8r@juno.com (Ivan Vasquez) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk High SFR! Did anybody on the list besides me see Lords of Acid on Monday night besides me? I just have to say that it was the best experience I've ever had in a night club. They were so DOPE! They played everything from their oldest old school stuff to their newest stuff, and I was stoked for every single second that they were on stage. The Edge is usually someplace that I dread going to, but on Monday night it was tha bomb. Does anybody know if they're playing any more shows in the area? I would love to see them play again. By the way, MOBY will be playing at the Edge on 11/18 and if you've never seen Moby live, then you can't miss this. It's only $6! If anybody from the list plans on going, let me know so that we could all meet up before the show... Ivan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 22:50:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16372 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 22:50:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 16362 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 22:50:36 -0000 Received: from bouncer.lucasdigital.com (207.1.122.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 22:50:36 -0000 Received: by bouncer.lucasdigital.com; id OAA06960; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:53:01 -0800 Received: from malone.kerner.com(10.5.19.19) by bouncer.lucasdigital.com via smap (3.2) id xma006946; Wed, 5 Nov 97 14:52:39 -0800 Received: from localhost by kerner.com (8.6.9/931112-/NEWHUB) id OAA22402; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:52:03 -0800 Received: by cantina.kerner.com (8.8.5/940805-TBI/KERNER) id OAA00584; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:45:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:45:04 -0800 (PST) From: Kay Rough X-Sender: rough@cantina To: Ivan Vasquez cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Lords of Acid!! In-Reply-To: <19971105.145126.10758.0.ivan8r@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk They just played last night at the Trocadero and it was excellent. -K On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Ivan Vasquez wrote: > High SFR! > > Did anybody on the list besides me see Lords of Acid on Monday night > besides me? I just have to say that it was the best experience I've ever > had in a night club. They were so DOPE! They played everything from their > oldest old school stuff to their newest stuff, and I was stoked for every > single second that they were on stage. The Edge is usually someplace that > I dread going to, but on Monday night it was tha bomb. Does anybody know > if they're playing any more shows in the area? I would love to see them > play again. > > By the way, MOBY will be playing at the Edge on 11/18 and if you've never > seen Moby live, then you can't miss this. It's only $6! If anybody from > the list plans on going, let me know so that we could all meet up before > the show... > > Ivan > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 22:52:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17026 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 22:51:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 17015 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 22:51:57 -0000 Received: from portal.visa.com (198.80.42.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 22:51:57 -0000 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA23161 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for sfraves@hyperreal.org); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:50:45 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:50:45 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Chenevich, Chris" To: 'sfraves' Subject: Hello all...introduction Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:51:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I Hope everyone's having a great day, I just wanted to borrow a little of your time to introduce myself. My name is Chris Chenevich and I've been lurking around for a while. I'm pretty new to the raving scene, but I have always believed in a lot of the Ideals I feel make it great. Luckily some of my friends are also into Raves and taught me what I ought to know and then some. Actually the friends I speak of threw their own party (A New Hope) that I wish I could have been at, it sounds like it was awesome. Well I've got to run to a Job interview, but I sure hope I can meet some of you soon. Later... -Chris- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 23:20:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27498 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 23:20:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 27489 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 23:20:12 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 23:20:12 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-148.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.148]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA17349 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:20:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3460FF74.27A7@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:21:24 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: cuddly bearrs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk http://www.bearisland.com/cyb.html send a free bear to your friend today ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 23:30:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1132 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 23:30:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 1106 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 23:30:15 -0000 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.108) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 23:30:15 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA09704; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:30:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:30:03 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: Flyers that are Records that are Flyers To: Pengo cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <34609677.461C3148@ten.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The Unit-E-Massive down here a few months ago had a DJ Icey flexi-disc (that's what they call those little plastic rekkids) on it and this other party recently had a Skylab 2000 one on their flyer... I think it's really cool! I've spun the DJ Icey flexi at parties and it always gets a funny look outta the trainspotters! On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Pengo wrote: > So I'm flipping through the rave magazine at my friends house (can't > remember which mag) and they have a shot of this flyer from some other > city that is _also_ a record! You know, thoes floppy ones they used to > put in magazines. Pretty cool huh? Is there a massive promoter in the > house that has given any thought to this? I'm shure it's not very cost > efficent, but damn it's such a fucking rad idea! > > -=Pengo=- > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 23:35:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2542 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 23:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 2532 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 23:35:35 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 23:35:35 -0000 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) id PAA12354; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:35:22 -0800 (PST) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199711052335.PAA12354@atari.saturn5.com> Subject: Re: Lords of Acid!! To: ivan8r@juno.com (Ivan Vasquez) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:35:20 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971105.145126.10758.0.ivan8r@juno.com> from "Ivan Vasquez" at Nov 5, 97 02:15:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > > By the way, MOBY will be playing at the Edge on 11/18 and if you've never > seen Moby live, then you can't miss this. It's only $6! If anybody from > the list plans on going, let me know so that we could all meet up before > the show... Only if he promises to keep his clothes on... -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@saturn5.com <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.saturn5.com/tsheets/ <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 23:40:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4417 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 23:40:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 4398 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 23:40:31 -0000 Received: from release.gwainc.com (206.184.217.65) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 23:40:31 -0000 Received: by release.gwainc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEA01.7EFF78F0@release.gwainc.com>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:43:00 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Neves, Kathleen" To: 'Troy Sheets' , "'ivan8r@juno.com'" , "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" Subject: Moby at The Edge Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:42:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Not only will Moby be playing, but also Juno Reactor all for only 6 bucks. What a deal! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 05 23:54:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8358 invoked by uid 6000); 5 Nov 1997 23:54:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 8344 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 23:54:07 -0000 Received: from f99.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.218) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 23:54:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 23742 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1997 23:55:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105235514.23741.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:55:14 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: journeys Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:55:14 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Through life's beautiful times, there becomes a point when everything is just one big question. A man sits on a serene mountain side florishing with wildlife and thinks while the sun is setting upon him just as it did yesterday and the day before... "Love,friendship,happiness,scrutiny,passion,hardships,love,passion, hate,love, love, love." I read once that "A man is what he thinks," It is true. What if this man finds himself trying to relax, and breath, but can think of nothing but love? Why are the consequences so extreme? Why should a person who loves, be subject to a very unloving environment of thoughts. Love can't escape the dungeonous terrain of one's soul and mind. His heart aches like no other, and he has been through this in the past and has tried to learn from the aches and pains, but it happens to him again. Will he learn about love? Ever? Or would love have to learn about him and his superficial qualities of gullibility and loneliness? Will the situation and thoughts stall for a period of time to let this person heal from his sorrows? Will the thoughts stay in his mind for an eternity, so he can learn to appreciate the times that he shares with the people around him. And most importantly the goals that he accomplishes for himself. Life doesn't know and he doesn't know anything... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 00:04:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11620 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 00:04:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 11611 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 00:04:08 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 00:04:08 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27653; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA06766; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:55:42 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:03:56 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, (The BillMEISTER! Shweet Boeeey knockin boots drink some brewskis in Da House! SEEYA!) From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: Moby at The Edge Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Cc: Duke@homeboyz.posse.org, Slider@KappaAlphaKrappa.org >Not only will Moby be playing, but also Juno Reactor all for only 6 >bucks. What a deal! And hey I think it's Ladies Night too! And you know what it means when the ladies drink 4 free! Yeah boeey. Me and mah homies Slider and Duke are gonna be up on the speakers gettin bizzzz-eeee with the ladies if you know what I mean! mackin to the right! mackin to the left! with and pump of the hips and a flex of the pecs! shhweeet! b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 00:49:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23228 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 00:49:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 23179 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 00:49:23 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 00:49:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19971106004711.8782.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.158.204.136] by web4; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 16:47:11 PST Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:47:11 -0800 (PST) From: macadio Subject: BSP Wonder 11-14-97 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Friday November 14 we proudly present.. **W O N D E R** In the Main Room Li, AndyW, Vlad, Macadio, Myster-E chilloutdonwtempo{{jungleroom}} Mike(64K), Deepfog, Science Vs. Siphon (4Deck duo) This event will take place in the SF area Presale Tickets are Available at F-8 (415)221-4142 There will be a limited number of Presales of 300 only. And none will be sold at the door It is advised to get them early. If you need a ticket and live in or near the Southbay you can E-mail me personally and we can get you out one. Peace, Macadio BTW *Wonder* info line (408)538-5600 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 00:54:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25388 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 00:54:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 25375 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 00:54:19 -0000 Received: from m12.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.194) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 00:54:19 -0000 Received: (from theblzo@juno.com) by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TvZ28107; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:53:32 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:49:20 -0800 Subject: Spencer on Drew Carey Show!!!!!!! Message-ID: <19971105.164921.3782.0.theblzo@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7 From: theblzo@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Got off the phone with Spencer from Warmth this morning and he said he was going to be on The Drew Carey Show tonight. The show starts at 8:00. He is the nieghborhood paperboy in the scene when Drew is driving his new batmobile down the street. Spencer wanted me to pass it on to you all, so enjoy. Stay True, THE BLZO From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 01:05:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28279 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 01:05:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 28266 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 01:05:24 -0000 Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.125) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 01:05:24 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id RAA22809; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:05:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: Spencer on Drew Carey Show!!!!!!! To: theblzo@juno.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971105.164921.3782.0.theblzo@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm going to add this to the tape with Spencer on the Dating Game... :D On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 theblzo@juno.com wrote: > Got off the phone with Spencer from Warmth this morning and he said > he was going to be on The Drew Carey Show tonight. The show starts > at 8:00. He is the nieghborhood paperboy in the scene when Drew is > driving his new batmobile down the street. Spencer wanted me to pass > it on to you all, so enjoy. > > Stay True, > THE BLZO > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 01:30:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5446 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 01:30:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5437 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 01:30:39 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 01:30:39 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.197.172]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA234 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:29:38 -0800 Reply-To: "Funky Tekno Tribe" From: "Funky Tekno Tribe Sound System" To: "SFRAVES" Subject: BSP: FTT Presents GOLDIE (Live) Nov 25th Bimbo's Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:23:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-ID: <19971106012936961.AAA234@mohan> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey All.. We've just added another exciting show to our FTT Presents series... Tuesday November 25th Funky Tekno Tribe Presents GOLDIE (live) Bimbo's 18+ $13 presale http://www.funkytekno.com http://www.ticketweb.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 02:12:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13676 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 02:12:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 13665 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 02:12:05 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 02:12:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (andy@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA14901; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:12:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:12:03 -0800 (PST) From: AndyW X-Sender: andy@atari To: Customer Service cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, LBill@slip.net Subject: Re: Moby at The Edge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Customer Service wrote: > mackin to the right! > mackin to the left! > with and pump of the hips > and a flex of the pecs! > So uh... Boomerang... where exactly are these pecs you've been hiding? Cause I _know_ you got the hips with that sly Elvis thang you do... Doh... AndyW From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 02:27:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16801 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 02:27:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 16785 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 02:27:22 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 02:27:22 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-71.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.71]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id SAA12509 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:27:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34612B07.61A@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:27:19 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: sgt pepper spray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk the following is from jon carrol in the chronical ------------------------------------------------ I HAVE BEEN following with limited curiosity the controversy over pepper spray, a powerful deterrent to criminal behavior -- or, indeed, any behavior at all -- that has been linked to the deaths of 33 Californians. My feelings on the matter were formed relatively early. They were based on the following premise: Pepper spray is not a gun. Anything that enables police officers to disable suspected malefactors without using their big pistols is a good thing. Big pistols kill people. I know, people kill people, but big pistols really help a lot. Using pepper spray against peaceful demonstrators, as happened in Humboldt County, is not wonderful. But using pepper spray against a knife-wielding miscreant in a convenience store is a fine idea. Alas, knife-wielding miscreants outnumber environmental demonstrators in our society. Most cops are splendid humans who do very dangerous jobs. Most people who need to be sprayed by cops are a danger to others in the community. Resisting arrest indicates poor risk management skills and carries with it certain burdens. Most people understand this, which is why most people don't resist arrest. With pepper spray, the penalty usually consists of pain and some difficulty breathing. On balance, this is better than a skull fracture or a punctured organ. Naturally, I recommend that all police officers try unconditional love before resorting to pepper spray. ``Stop or I'll love you,'' they might call out. When love fails -- and sometimes, Velma, love is not enough -- it's time for the stinging chemicals. This is modern police work. BELOVED READER James Caroompas has his own ideas about pepper spray. He suggests LSD-25 in liquid suspension; call it Sergeant Pepper spray. The details are a little fuzzy, but hey, why not kick back and wait for the details to come into focus? Maybe the LSD could be mixed with a little tranquilizer that effectively immobilizes the alleged perpetrator while the LSD takes effect. After 45 minutes or so, the perpetrator might very well have achieved a state of altered consciousness. He might have forgotten what he was so excited about in the first place. He might have forgotten about the crime he intended to commit; indeed, he might have decided that ``guilt'' and ``innocence'' are constructs of an outmoded paradigm. The police could leave him in peace to consider the paradox of a shrinking globe in an expanding universe. He might call out, ``Stop or I'll love you,'' and then there could be a big group hug down at the police station. A possible downside would be intransigent demands for the music of Pink Floyd. WHY HAS NO ONE considered incapacitating amounts of marijuana as a prison management tool? I know that it is possible to get drugs in ``the joint,'' as I like to call it in my hardened way, but what if they were standard issue? Take the strongest pot you can find, roll it into big doobies, and offer it every hour on the hour. I think your unrest quotient would go way down. Of course, then prison rebels would notice that the pot was just an attempt by the Man to control the legitimate impulses of the people. So the word would go out among the cons -- ``Why do you think they call it dope?'' Prisoners would refuse to smoke their government reefer, and pretty soon you'd get a clean and sober prison population. Then they could all get day passes and do outreach work among record company executives. ``Hey, man, there's a better way. You don't have to get loaded all the time and make really derivative hip-hop bogus C&W crapola with videos that exploit women. You know? Because you could rob banks. Really.'' And then it would be time to roll out the Sergeant Pepper spray again. Call me crazy; millions have. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 02:37:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19569 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 02:37:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 19560 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 02:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.net) (130.93.132.205) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 02:37:11 -0000 Received: from Blackhole (ts031d22.cup-ca.concentric.net [209.31.14.34]) by post.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11078 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:32:57 -0800 Received: from Blackhole (ts031d22.cup-ca.concentric.net [209.31.14.34]) by post.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11078 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:32:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971105183731.006aa758@post.net> X-Sender: sean@post.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:37:31 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Sean Casey Subject: Hello, I'm back for a while Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I dunno if anyone is on here who'd remember me, but I'm back on the list for a while. I've been busy doing some work in KY and I hope I can see some of my old friends on here again. Maui says hi, too! Sean From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 02:43:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22178 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 02:43:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 22156 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 02:43:33 -0000 Received: from nermal.santarosa.edu (dcoelhok@198.189.21.12) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 02:43:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (dcoelhok@localhost) by nermal.santarosa.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17127; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:43:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:43:23 -0800 (PST) From: Dominique Kostolny To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sgt pepper spray In-Reply-To: <34612B07.61A@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well, in my opinion, what they did in Humboldt County was absolutely wrong. It was totally inexcusable. Swiping pepper spray directly into the eyes of peaceful demonstrators is cruel. There is absolutely no reason why someone should have to go through that kind of torture. Thank god it was caught on video! The peace officers in today's society are going to the utmost extreme when dealing with people. From Rodney King to what has happened in Humboldt County. It's plain and simply wrong. Dominique On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > the following is from jon carrol in the chronical > ------------------------------------------------ > > I HAVE BEEN following with limited curiosity the controversy over pepper > spray, a powerful > deterrent to criminal behavior -- > or, indeed, any behavior at all -- that has been linked to the deaths of > 33 Californians. > > My feelings on the matter were formed relatively early. They were based > on the following > premise: Pepper spray is not a gun. > Anything that enables police officers to disable suspected malefactors > without using their big > pistols is a good thing. > > Big pistols kill people. I know, people kill people, but big pistols > really help a lot. Using pepper > spray against peaceful > demonstrators, as happened in Humboldt County, is not wonderful. But > using pepper spray > against a knife-wielding miscreant > in a convenience store is a fine idea. Alas, knife-wielding miscreants > outnumber environmental > demonstrators in our society. > > Most cops are splendid humans who do very dangerous jobs. > Most people who need to be > sprayed by cops are a danger to > others in the community. Resisting arrest indicates poor risk management > skills and carries with > it certain burdens. Most > people understand this, which is why most people don't resist arrest. > > With pepper spray, the penalty usually consists of pain and some > difficulty breathing. On balance, > this is better than a skull > fracture or a punctured organ. Naturally, I recommend that all police > officers try unconditional > love before resorting to pepper > spray. > > ``Stop or I'll love you,'' they might call out. When love fails -- and > sometimes, Velma, love is not > enough -- it's time for the > stinging chemicals. This is modern police work. > > BELOVED READER James Caroompas has his own ideas about pepper spray. He > suggests > LSD-25 in liquid suspension; call > it Sergeant Pepper spray. > > The details are a little fuzzy, but hey, why not kick back and wait for > the details to come into > focus? Maybe the LSD could be > mixed with a little tranquilizer that effectively immobilizes the alleged > perpetrator while the LSD > takes effect. > > After 45 minutes or so, the perpetrator might very well have achieved a > state of altered > consciousness. He might have > forgotten what he was so excited about in the first place. He might have > forgotten about the crime > he intended to commit; > indeed, he might have decided that ``guilt'' and ``innocence'' are > constructs of an outmoded > paradigm. > > The police could leave him in peace to consider the paradox of a > shrinking globe in an expanding > universe. He might call out, > ``Stop or I'll love you,'' and then there could be a big group hug down > at the police station. A > possible downside would be > intransigent demands for the music of Pink Floyd. > > WHY HAS NO ONE considered incapacitating amounts of marijuana as a prison > management > tool? I know that it is possible > to get drugs in ``the joint,'' as I like to call it in my hardened way, > but what if they were standard > issue? > > Take the strongest pot you can find, roll it into big doobies, and offer > it every hour on the hour. I > think your unrest quotient > would go way down. Of course, then prison rebels would notice that the > pot was just an attempt > by the Man to control the > legitimate impulses of the people. > > So the word would go out among the cons -- ``Why do you think they call > it dope?'' Prisoners > would refuse to smoke their > government reefer, and pretty soon you'd get a clean and sober prison > population. > > Then they could all get day passes and do outreach work among record > company executives. > ``Hey, man, there's a better > way. You don't have to get loaded all the time and make really derivative > hip-hop bogus C&W > crapola with videos that exploit > women. You know? Because you could rob banks. Really.'' > > And then it would be time to roll out the Sergeant Pepper spray again. > Call me crazy; millions > have. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 04:14:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15132 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 04:14:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 15123 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 04:14:03 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 04:14:03 -0000 Received: from hikaru-mccarthy (ppp-206-170-3-198.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.3.198]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id UAA20621; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:14:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34614149.52A5@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:02:17 -0800 From: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" Reply-To: mickeymc@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-PBWG (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeremy bispo CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... References: <19971103185251.8847.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk jeremy bispo wrote: > > hey Kidz~ > > after reading tha reviews of HTM and Happy Kidz... > I'm interested in ... What was your favorite > party/rave ? > > for me it's still a tie between Cloud Factory > Condensation and True Love... for different reasons > of course...condensation was tha 1 st time i remember > a certain dj... before dat they all ran in to > eachother... and true love... that vibe was so > thick... it coulda been cut wit a butta > knife...straight butta baby... > > How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? > and WHY? > > love jeremy > > see ya @ VIBERATIONS & WONDER on tha NOV. 14th & 15th Hey hey hey hey HEY :) Fer me, I guess the party I had the most enjoyable time at overall was a lil house party some kids threw up in the north bay... I heard some bombass set bein spun Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4087 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 05:25:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 4074 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 05:25:35 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 05:25:35 -0000 Received: from katiez.vip.best.com (dynamic62.pm05.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.62]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id VAA00799; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:24:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346154B7.F245A3D9@best.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:25:11 -0800 From: Katie Zitterbart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ASYDFANMAN@AOL.COM CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: a brand new me!!!!!!! nrrr X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <971104000349_137293846@mrin42.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm very familiar with the Landmark. Something you forgot to post: in order to get to the next level, you must RECRUIT TEN OTHERS.... It's not necessarily a cult, and I know a lot of people who get a lot out of this, but everyone should know: it's based on recruiting others and, to my knowledge, NONE of it is free. I also used to know people who are involved in the Landmark. Apparently, my ways aren't condusive to their happiness and health. That is, of course, unless and until I join. katiez From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 05:59:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10595 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 05:59:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 10586 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 05:59:04 -0000 Received: from f33.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.44) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 05:59:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 13181 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 1997 05:58:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971106055837.13180.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.120.251.28 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:58:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.120.251.28] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, Pengo@ten.net Subject: Re: Flyers that are Records that are Flyers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:58:36 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i got one of those once in la..... there was some house on the record.. it was cool peace Philly disordr :) >So I'm flipping through the rave magazine at my friends house (can't >remember which mag) and they have a shot of this flyer from some other >city that is _also_ a record! You know, thoes floppy ones they used to >put in magazines. Pretty cool huh? Is there a massive promoter in the >house that has given any thought to this? I'm shure it's not very cost >efficent, but damn it's such a fucking rad idea! > >-=Pengo=- > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 06:32:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18267 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 06:32:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 18257 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 06:32:57 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 06:32:57 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA28926; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:32:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:32:29 -0500 (EST) From: ASYDFANMAN@aol.com Message-ID: <971106013228_493087842@mrin39> To: marilyn@best.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: a brand new me!!!!!!! nrrr Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk marilyn , I think that you need to look at the facts . 1. you DO NOT have to recruit ANYONE, ANYTIME. 2. YOU DO have to pay 700.00 dollars for the advanced course 3. IT IS a capitalist venture, they are there to make a buck. 4. as my forum coach said; a cult leader wants you to follow him, if you follow me i'll have you arrested. 5.my forum coach was Joe DiMaggio. no, not that one . 6. if anyone else has anything to say about this subject, please e-mail me privately, i'm certain that the list is tired of this. thankyou, hugz, i luv you . Carl From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 07:19:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27805 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 07:19:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 27784 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 07:19:02 -0000 Received: from linex1.linex.com (HELO relay.linex.net) (199.4.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 07:19:02 -0000 Received: from linex4.linex.com (linex4.linex.com [206.54.38.14]) by relay.linex.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA15836; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from linex2.linex.com by linex4.linex.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA18864; Wed, 5 Nov 97 23:18:15 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:17:26 -0800 (PST) From: aminita Reply-To: aminita To: Faro@usa.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re:Static Review In-Reply-To: <19971105024906.21762.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I went by last night and had a wonderful time. I saw lot's of friends, good energy, busy, lively, and Sean Murray played a phat set with my favorite record! It was kinda smokey and a little cramped cause it's a small place but the energ was good and the smiles seen often enough to feel happy. Makes you kinda giggle inside knowing that other people are also having a great time. :) Well, you should definately come a wiggel that tush for a while, specially if you got the groove on... wide range of music too. aminita PS maybe i will see you there sometime On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Faro wrote: > >> Static is 10pm-2am every Tuesday at Liquid > >> 2925 16th St. at South Van Ness in sunny SF > >> 2 buck cover > > Does anyone have a review of _Static_ for me? > I have WAY too much energy for a Tuesday night, and am thinking of > going to Static to burn some of it off. So, I would love to hear a > review from anyone who has been there recently. > Thanks :) > > -Faro > Faro@usa.net > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 07:37:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1564 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 07:37:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 1545 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 07:37:02 -0000 Received: from germany-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO germany.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.123) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 07:37:02 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (1Cust86.tnt10.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.28.86]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04322 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:37:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34617714.7D9@earthlink.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:51:48 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Music Related...BP..New Psychedelia Band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This may appeal more to the 'older' (as I am) people sucscribed to the list, but it is definately open to ANYONE 21 & over. I'm doing some promotion for a local band... 'Fergus'. Their CD Release party is Wed. Nov. 12th @ New George's in San Rafael. The music isn't electronic (yet) but it's trippy and has a good feel to it. Alot of their stuff has great pounding drums and is a bit pagan. Very 'Zeppelin-esque' (that's the reason I say it would appeal to those of us that are a bit more..ahem..mature ; ) After all, one must indulge in many different types of music or risk being one dimentional, don't you think? If your interested, e me privately as I'm only subscribed to the digest right now. It would be great to see some of you there! -TRACY (aka Aurora8) aurora8@earthlink.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 12:57:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29704 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 12:57:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 29689 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 12:57:54 -0000 Received: from emout09.mx.aol.com (HELO emout09.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.24) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 12:57:54 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA12862; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:57:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:57:05 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971106075705_1280010523@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: dcoelhok@nermal.santarosa.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: sgt pepper spray Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/5/97 9:42:59 PM, you wrote: <> It makes me sick to see footage of that episode....the officers treated those (PEACEFUL) demonstrators like animals natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 16:11:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29792 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 16:11:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 29718 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 16:11:27 -0000 Received: from ws100.eisinet.com (HELO eisinet.com) (206.159.237.101) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 16:11:27 -0000 Received: from EISIHQ-Message_Server by eisinet.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:11:59 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:11:32 -0800 From: Veann Cao To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, theblzo@juno.com Subject: Spencer on Drew Carey Show!!!!!!! -Reply Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk spencer's cute! :D -veann >Got off the phone with Spencer from Warmth this morning and he said >he was going to be on The Drew Carey Show tonight. The show starts >at 8:00. He is the nieghborhood paperboy in the scene when Drew is >driving his new batmobile down the street. Spencer wanted me to >pass it on to you all, so enjoy. Stay True, THE BLZO From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 17:06:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19641 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 17:06:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 19630 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 17:06:49 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 17:06:49 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA27047; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:04:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from srf-ca4-10.ix.netcom.com(199.182.131.138) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026882; Thu Nov 6 11:03:00 1997 Message-ID: <3461F81A.47F9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:02:18 -0800 From: Sunny Reply-To: SugarShack@mindless.com Organization: Pablo's Sugar Shack X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ** CARLOS @ The Sugar Shack - Saturday!! ** [BSP] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk [BSP] Join us Saturday as Pablo welcomes two members of the Spundae crew Carlos & Ryno to the shack... - Pablo's Sugar Shack - Funky House & Mad Jazzy Grooves! November 8, 1997 CARLOS TAJ RYNO CRISPY BUNA - S A T U R D A Y - 10pm - afterhours VSF, 278 11th St. @ Folsom, SF $10, 21+, 415.668.2476 ELIXIR opens November 7... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 17:13:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20881 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 17:13:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 20870 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 17:13:48 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 17:13:48 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29956 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA10064; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:07:45 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:16:05 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: tape duplication? NRR Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk where can I get tapes mass duped from DAT? I'm looking for a good deal, but also good quality. also, if you know, what is included in the deal? tapes and cases? thanka you! b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 17:51:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28421 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 17:50:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 28280 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 17:50:55 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 17:50:55 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA03117; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:50:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: To: Katie Zitterbart cc: ASYDFANMAN@AOL.COM, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: a brand new me!!!!!!! nrrr In-Reply-To: <346154B7.F245A3D9@best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Katie Zitterbart wrote: > I'm very familiar with the Landmark. Something you forgot to post: > > in order to get to the next level, you must RECRUIT TEN OTHERS.... Oh boy MLM(multi-level marketing) spirituality! Where do I sign up? Do you get a free Amway sample as well? Think of it, not only could your soul be squeaky clean, but your floors as well! Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 18:42:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10950 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 18:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 10941 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 18:42:45 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 18:42:45 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03778 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA10986; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:36:30 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:44:43 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: know Whitney from Santy Rosy? (NRR/Paging) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk trying to track him down. It was supposed to give him my number at happysquids but I done got gerzter fruk lesden forney. fretpos, boo From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 19:00:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14200 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 19:00:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 14191 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 19:00:45 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 19:00:45 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-196.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.196]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id LAA07636 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:00:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34621419.2BC0@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:01:45 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sgt pepper spray References: <971106075705_1280010523@emout09.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Natasha426@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/5/97 9:42:59 PM, you wrote: > > < wrong. It was totally inexcusable. Swiping pepper spray directly into the > eyes of peaceful demonstrators is cruel.>> > > It makes me sick to see footage of that episode....the officers treated those > (PEACEFUL) demonstrators like animals > > natashawhats even worse is the senators response. He said that these were not peaceful demonstrators because they had on dark clothing and that anyone that wears dark clothing is obviously not a peaceful person. Only paramilitary terrorist involved in a conspiracy would were dark clothing. And he continues to say that its disgusting that the media is portraying these "vicious criminals"(the protestors) as victims of a crime. What really worries me is that as police brutality becomes more acceptable that it we could very well see such behavior at raves. I ve already heard of this type of abuse happening at parties. We cant just let it go on. this senator should be flooded with protest and removed from office. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< `foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 19:15:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20015 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 19:15:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 19990 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 19:14:59 -0000 Received: from f16.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.27) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 19:14:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 7710 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 1997 19:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19971106191428.7709.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:14:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR:quit smoking? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:14:28 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay, just curious people, Has anyone out there tried to quit smoking "cold turkey lurkey?" If so, what types of things ran through your head? Was it total chaos, not being able to stop thinking about anyhting and everything? I just came down with a really bad cold and am trying to take advantage of the situation to quit and I don't know if I'm a wreck right now because myhyead is in need of emotional support or if it is the no niccotine bit...and I'm thinking too much, yeah, a lot. It is driving me crazy, I think a lot when I quit smoking and it really drives me crazy and I think it is because I haven't had a ciggarrette in a while, but the main thing is that I can't stop thinking about things that I don't want to think about, Do you think it is because I'm trying to quit. Think too much...as Danny eats his emotions and thinks too much about quitting :) Did you think... Please, I'm praying for peace, Danny From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 19:15:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20473 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 19:15:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 20022 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 19:15:02 -0000 Received: from smtp.exploretech.com (HELO explore-nt.exploretech.com) (38.245.192.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 19:15:02 -0000 Received: from customer ([38.245.192.94]) by explore-nt.exploretech.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA01509 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:15:10 -0800 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:15:10 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19971106111706.3e971d06@exploretech.com> X-Sender: cporter@exploretech.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Christopher Porter Subject: Re: sgt pepper spray NRR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Dominique Kostolny wrote: [Statement of the obvious deleted] >Fish responded: >He said that these were not peaceful demonstrators because >they had on dark clothing and that anyone that wears dark clothing >is obviously not a peaceful person.........this senator should be flooded with >protest and removed from office. I have a better idea... I vote we lock him in his office and flood it with pepper spray! Mmmmmm... Spiced Senator From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 19:21:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21537 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 19:21:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 21528 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 19:21:05 -0000 Received: from aerodelivery.com (192.41.4.33) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 19:21:05 -0000 Received: from user.linex.com by aerodelivery.com; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:20:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971106122124.43ef487c@aerodelivery.com> X-Sender: fregert@aerodelivery.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:21:24 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Franklin Egert Subject: Re: Lords of Acid!! In-Reply-To: <19971105.145126.10758.0.ivan8r@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ivan wrote: >Does anybody know >if they're playing any more shows in the area? I would love to see them >play again. Yeah, Moby's playing at The Fillmore, Wednesday, Nov. 19, at 8 pm. I found this out by checking Sidewalk (http://www.sanfrancisco.sidewalk.com). This a good site (city guide) to find out who's playing where. All I had to do was type in Moby in the search box. /fregert From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 19:25:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22944 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 19:25:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 22886 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 19:24:52 -0000 Received: from f40.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.51) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 19:24:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 7953 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 1997 19:24:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19971106192402.7952.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:24:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: DJ @ another Coffee Shop??? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:24:02 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Rumor has it that there will be DJ's spinning at Cafe Leviticus starting this thursday (downton SJ, kinda, off the Alameda) This should be rather interesting because of the huge turnout on Thurs. nights there anyways ("Gay night") It is fun... Has anyone tried to quit smoking? I can't stop thinking about things that I don't want to think about and it is driving me crazy like Ms. Daisy, and she drove a lot, to places, and I wonder what she was thinking about, was she trying to quit too? :P From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 19:25:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23483 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 19:25:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 23467 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 19:25:35 -0000 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net (207.93.14.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 19:25:35 -0000 Received: from [207.93.14.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:25:16 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:25:38 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Joe Rice Subject: (bsp) the kitchen sink Cc: dhchung@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk the kitchen sink Thursday, November 6, 1997 DJs this week: Sho (mad) D84 (boston - http://beyond.hnt.com/d84.htm ) Kit Clayton (one track mind) Location: downstairs at Blake's 2367 Telegraph @ Durant - Berkeley Dirt: 9:30p-2:00a - 18+ w/ID - full bar - $2.00 before 10p, $4.00 after. http://www.justiceleague.com/ks/ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 19:28:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24208 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 19:28:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 24187 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 19:27:58 -0000 Received: from lbin.com (HELO light.lbin.com) (204.30.25.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 19:27:58 -0000 Received: by light.lbin.com (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3) id ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:22:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34621A01.DAAB93AF@lbin.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:26:58 -0800 From: Ryan PC Gibson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: poobear@hotmail.com Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? References: <19971106191428.7709.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk More power to you, sir. I have quit (several times :o) cold turkey - it's the only way to go. It is also like a terrible trip though, because you can't stop thinking and it is really hard to think that anyone can relate to what you are going through at that moment. Your body and mind are demanding this chemical, and no matter what you are doing you are actively 'not smoking'. "Hi Bob, what's new (i'm not smoking right now). Great, great...and the kids? (I'm not smoking right now) Wow, look a ten dollar bill just lying there! (Wish it was a cigarette)". The important thing to keep in mind is that nicotine withdrawl is only a couple of days long, and if you can manage to sleep or keep busy that whole time, then the rest of the way is simply sticking to you goal. Think white teeth...$2 extra a day...flegmless mornings....ymmmmmmm -ryan. bABy HueY wrote: > Okay, just curious people, Has anyone out there tried to quit smoking > "cold turkey lurkey?" If so, what types of things ran through your > head? Was it total chaos, not being able to stop thinking about anyhting > and everything? > I just came down with a really bad cold and am trying to take > advantage of the situation to quit and I don't know if I'm a wreck right > now because myhyead is in need of emotional support or if it is the no > niccotine bit...and I'm thinking too much, yeah, a lot. It is driving > me crazy, I think a lot when I quit smoking and it really drives me > crazy and I think it is because I haven't had a ciggarrette in a while, > but the main thing is that I can't stop thinking about things that I > don't want to think about, Do you think it is because I'm trying to > quit. Think too much...as Danny eats his emotions and thinks too much > about quitting :) Did you think... > > Please, I'm praying for peace, > Danny From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 19:33:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26532 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 19:33:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 26519 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 19:33:04 -0000 Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 19:33:04 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id LAA25384; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:29:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34621D8E.39E566D3@best.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:42:06 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bABy HueY CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? References: <19971106191428.7709.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey there danny boy! =) ya gotta keep yourself busy so that you won't think about it... draw a detailed picture or build something or something something! =) loveyasman.goodluck.jer bABy HueY wrote: > > Okay, just curious people, Has anyone out there tried to quit smoking > "cold turkey lurkey?" If so, what types of things ran through your > head? Was it total chaos, not being able to stop thinking about anyhting > and everything? > I just came down with a really bad cold and am trying to take > advantage of the situation to quit and I don't know if I'm a wreck right > now because myhyead is in need of emotional support or if it is the no > niccotine bit...and I'm thinking too much, yeah, a lot. It is driving > me crazy, I think a lot when I quit smoking and it really drives me > crazy and I think it is because I haven't had a ciggarrette in a while, > but the main thing is that I can't stop thinking about things that I > don't want to think about, Do you think it is because I'm trying to > quit. Think too much...as Danny eats his emotions and thinks too much > about quitting :) Did you think... > > Please, I'm praying for peace, > Danny From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 19:39:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28973 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 19:39:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 28942 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 19:38:59 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 19:38:59 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05956 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA11448; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:32:05 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:40:34 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk dood. get the patch. it's the best way to do it. i was a hardcore smoker for almsot 10 years, tried nic gum, cold turkey, all of it; and i was just a raging psychopath with blurry vision and bass ackwards thought patterns. the patch is cool because if you wear it at night, you have REALLY intense dreams about radioactive aliens wearing raver clothes...full cinematic plot structures in the dreams, and colors that are so bright it hurts your eyes. the only problem is that a month or so later it is a little hard to come off the patch. but at least your no longer thinkinbg about cigarettes, because the habit of smoking to relieve the stress i s long gojne. What I did was cut the patches into 1/3rds at the end of the month, just to make the withdrawal smoother. good luck. actually you don't need it, it's really easy. so fuckin easy. so easy. easy. easy. easy. easy. b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 20:15:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9711 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 20:15:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 9666 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 20:14:59 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 20:14:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 29187 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 20:17:19 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 20:17:19 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961106121247.00755fa0@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 12:12:47 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 11:40 AM 11/6/97 -0800, you wrote: >the patch is cool because if you wear it at night, you have REALLY intense >dreams about radioactive aliens wearing raver clothes...full cinematic plot >structures in the dreams, and colors that are so bright it hurts your >eyes. **** ok, sounds like i'm going to get the patch, regardless. peace to you baby huey. -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 20:16:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10810 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 20:16:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10799 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 20:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eagle.cscomputing.com) (206.86.211.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 20:16:41 -0000 Received: from PANDA by eagle.cscomputing.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id WAHSVQKZ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:18:46 -0800 Received: by panda with Microsoft Mail id <01BCEB12.6F2D26E0@panda>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:16:46 -0000 Message-ID: <01BCEB12.6F2D26E0@panda> From: Julie Hayes To: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Subject: RE: quit smoking? Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:16:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I quit smoking 6 days ago and counting. I tried to quit cold turkey many = times before, but I didn't get past that 3rd day of withdrawal. = Fortunately I got sick, so getting past the withdrawal stage was easy, = because I was sleeping all day. I feel your pain. It's like you think you are going crazy or something. = It's hard to stop, but what was hard for me was watching other people = smoke, because it made me want to have one. I've tried something = different.....when I see someone puffing, I just think, Oh look, that = person is smoking, that's nice... and nothing more. Another thing that helps.....rolling gonja pinners and smoking those all = day. But that does get expensive. Good Luck and take control!!!!!! Peace and love, Julie ---------- From: bABy HueY[SMTP:poobear@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 7:14 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR:quit smoking?=20 Okay, just curious people, Has anyone out there tried to quit smoking=20 "cold turkey lurkey?" If so, what types of things ran through your=20 head? Was it total chaos, not being able to stop thinking about anyhting = and everything? =20 I just came down with a really bad cold and am trying to take=20 advantage of the situation to quit and I don't know if I'm a wreck right = now because myhyead is in need of emotional support or if it is the no=20 niccotine bit...and I'm thinking too much, yeah, a lot. It is driving=20 me crazy, I think a lot when I quit smoking and it really drives me=20 crazy and I think it is because I haven't had a ciggarrette in a while,=20 but the main thing is that I can't stop thinking about things that I=20 don't want to think about, Do you think it is because I'm trying to=20 quit. Think too much...as Danny eats his emotions and thinks too much=20 about quitting :) Did you think... Please, I'm praying for peace, Danny From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 20:27:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13718 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 20:27:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 13706 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 20:27:46 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.12) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 20:27:46 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA27992; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:26:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca8-10.ix.netcom.com(207.92.172.74) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027948; Thu Nov 6 14:25:58 1997 Message-ID: <346227F6.313F4E75@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:26:30 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainmnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ravalum@pacbell.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org, jeremy bispo Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... References: <19971103185251.8847.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> <345E42BF.75DD@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Its wonderfull to hear that... there will be a sequil to that event next Memorial day in 98... with some incredible surprises in the works. Keep it real Vlad aka Ray Vonie ravalum@pacbell.net wrote: > Ohhh, that would HAVE to be EXPERIENCE back in MAY! Even though I had my wallet > stolen and stuff-it was a bomb ass party. I had so much fun, danced great, meet some > super people---it was the beginning of a wonderful relationship even though it only > lasted for the summer. I have some great memories. > > Can't wait for the next one! Any info and the Experience anniversary? > > TERESA =] > > jeremy bispo wrote: > > > > hey Kidz~ > > > > after reading tha reviews of HTM and Happy Kidz... > > I'm interested in ... What was your favorite > > party/rave ? > > > > for me it's still a tie between Cloud Factory > > Condensation and True Love... for different reasons > > of course...condensation was tha 1 st time i remember > > a certain dj... before dat they all ran in to > > eachother... and true love... that vibe was so > > thick... it coulda been cut wit a butta > > knife...straight butta baby... > > > > How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? > > and WHY? > > > > love jeremy > > > > see ya @ VIBERATIONS & WONDER on tha NOV. 14th & 15th From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 20:30:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14522 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 20:30:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 14513 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 20:30:24 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 20:30:24 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-220.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.220]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA18704 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:30:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3462292A.7C8F@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:31:38 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? References: <19971106191428.7709.qmail@hotmail.com> <34621A01.DAAB93AF@lbin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk here's a couple of things i used when i quit 8 years ago. I used the graduated filters to quit over a period of several months. I failed the first time but tried again a few weeks later and succeded. I used lobelia tea, available at any heath food store, to reduce the cravings. ANd when it comes time to quit i found something to replace the cigarettes until i was over the physical and psychological withdraw...M&M's worked for me ...bags and bags of them. Also breathing...just do deep breathing when the craving hits and feel how nice it tastes and feels to fill your lungs with cool fresh clean air....yummm...feels good. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 20:33:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16079 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 20:33:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 16065 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 20:33:39 -0000 Received: from host.domain.net (HELO domain.net) (204.107.140.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 20:33:39 -0000 Received: from baal (baal@baal.cp.domain.net [209.104.216.65]) by domain.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA28319 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:33:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Brendan Braybrook" To: Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:33:02 -0800 Message-ID: <01bceaf3$2d92f710$41d868d1@baal.cp.domain.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >the cravings. ANd when it comes time to quit i found something >to replace the cigarettes until i was over the physical and >psychological withdraw...M&M's worked for me ...bags and bags of them. a little hyper after that, too? my roommate quit cold turkey and used Altoids to replace the cigarettes. of course, now he's somewhat addicted to those. :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 20:39:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18430 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 20:39:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 18310 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 20:39:36 -0000 Received: from f73.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.159) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 20:39:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 20383 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 1997 20:39:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19971106203907.20382.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.41 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:39:05 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.41] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, poobear@hotmail.com Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:39:05 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hang in there Danny...... I've been lucky enough to never start smoking (cigarettes).. but my friend got his wisdom teeth out recently and used that as an excuse to stop cold turkey.. think about THIS.... soon... your lungs will begin to clear away.. no moe coughing, soreness.. smelly smelly cloths and hair, clean teeth.. gosh, you'll be so pretty i can kIss you...... you dont want to miss out on that.. so stay away from the cancer sticks.. im all with ya.. keep the mind thinking.... about good things....meditate.. light some incense, sit upright against a wall, close your eyes....and clear yor ind of all thoughts.. think about a white wall..... or a black peice of construction paper or the next party :) you'll get through it.... :) stay smokey free peace Philip dizordr > >Okay, just curious people, Has anyone out there tried to quit smoking >"cold turkey lurkey?" If so, what types of things ran through your >head? Was it total chaos, not being able to stop thinking about anyhting >and everything? > I just came down with a really bad cold and am trying to take >advantage of the situation to quit and I don't know if I'm a wreck right >now because myhyead is in need of emotional support or if it is the no >niccotine bit...and I'm thinking too much, yeah, a lot. It is driving >me crazy, I think a lot when I quit smoking and it really drives me >crazy and I think it is because I haven't had a ciggarrette in a while, >but the main thing is that I can't stop thinking about things that I >don't want to think about, Do you think it is because I'm trying to >quit. Think too much...as Danny eats his emotions and thinks too much >about quitting :) Did you think... > >Please, I'm praying for peace, >Danny > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 20:53:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23162 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 20:52:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 23153 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 20:52:57 -0000 Received: from dreamnet.net (192.41.9.134) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 20:52:57 -0000 Received: from user.linex.com by dreamnet.net; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:52:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971106135320.54d7aec6@dreamnet.net> X-Sender: fredly@dreamnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:53:20 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Fred Lyon Subject: Re: Lords of Acid!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971106122124.43ef487c@aerodelivery.com> References: <19971105.145126.10758.0.ivan8r@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 12:21 PM 11/6/97, you wrote: >Ivan wrote: > >>Does anybody know >>if they're playing any more shows in the area? I would love to see them >>play again. > >Yeah, Moby's playing at The Fillmore, Wednesday, Nov. 19, at 8 pm. I found >this out by checking Sidewalk (http://www.sanfrancisco.sidewalk.com). This >a good site (city guide) to find out who's playing where. All I had to do >was type in Moby in the search box. > >/fregert Hey, That Sidewalk thing is a pretty good site. Saw yer post, went there, and found out Green day is playing 14,15,&16 of Dec at the Fillmore. Has anyone seen them, how's their show? Fred (I ain't lyin') Lyon From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 21:17:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28634 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 21:17:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 28622 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 21:17:46 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 21:17:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19971106211228.20334.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.86.220.227] by web1; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:12:28 PST Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:12:28 -0800 (PST) From: SCiEnCe Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? To: bABy HueY , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ---bABy HueY wrote: > > Okay, just curious people, Has anyone out there tried to quit smoking > "cold turkey lurkey?" If so, what types of things ran through your > head? Was it total chaos, not being able to stop thinking about anyhting > and everything? Hi Danny- I'm up to day 15 now after smoking for 6 years or so. It's rough, but not as bad as you might think. Here's a few jumbled things that I've learned...hope they can help you. 1. There is no 'right' time to quit. I would always put it off till after this party, or till after new years... There's never going to be an easy time to quit. Just do it. 2. You have to want to quit. I love smoking. It's been a good friend over the years. However, if you quit just because you think it's a good idea, it's just that much easier to start again. Maybe I waited until after my 'invinceable' years to quit, because for the first time I'm thinking: this is going to kill me. If you really keep the 'big picture' in mind, it's much easier to convince yourself that you're doing the right thing. 3. Take quitting seriously. In my opinion, Cold Turkey is pretty much the only way to go. By that I mean NO cigarettes. (Even if you use the patch, as long as you break the habit of smoking, then you're way over halfway there.) Don't think "Well I'll still be able to have one once in a while", b/c once again, you'll be setting oyurself up for defeat. Although I know a couple ex-smokers who still have an occasional drag, I know tons and tons who started again after 'just an occasional cigarette'. Try to convince yourself that if you smoke one, you've got to start all over again. Of course, if you do have one, don't throw your efforts away, but I'd try EVERYTHING before having one. 4. I found that telling myself that I wasn't a smoker really helped. Psyching yourself up for the challenge can almost make it like a game. Who is stronger, you or the cigarette? Tobacco is just a fucking plant. Get over it. Prove to yourself that you're stronger. Sounds stupid, but it's working so far... *** Long post alert...Ok, I'll try to get concise*** 5. Cut down the amount you smoke the week before you start. Smoke 4 a day TOPS. Smoke different, worse cigarettes than usual. This will halp you realize that's it's not 'camel lights' that you're addicted to...it's just the same as GPC menthols.. (ewwww) 6. Get some excercize!! Getting in better shape makes you feel better about yourself and also halps offset the slight increase in appetite you might have. I worked out hard for the week before I quit. Working out also helped blow off some of the stress if the first couple days. 7. Prepare to be a complete asshole. It happens...tell people you're quitting..they'll understand. It passes within a couple days. 8. Some people say that dank really helps quitting. It sure does help relax you, that's for sure. However, a couple friends of mine switched from being heavy smokers to heavy potheadz...not necessarily a good thing. Moderation: Use it if you really need it. 9. The patch: I bought it and then didn't use it. I'd suggest it as your last line of defense. If you're about to smoke a cigarette, run over to payless... 10. GUM: Lots and lots of it. See, I was a sadist and decided to go out and drink 4 nights after quitting...As you know smoking and drinking are like salt'n peppa, baby...it was really annoying. Suddenly Wrigleys Spearmint and beer didn't taste so bad....and it really, really helps get over the first few days. Danny, I know it's tough...especially when you're already diwnb to begin with. But the funny thing is, after the first few days, you start really getting excited. It's a real fucking ego boost to quit successfully, and to tell you the truth, I can't remember the last time I was so proud of myself. It might sound lame, but it's true. Quitting smoking is tough, and you deserve big props if you can do it. good luck!!! -alex From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 21:18:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29702 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 21:18:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 29668 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 21:18:27 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 21:18:27 -0000 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.7]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA02231; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:09:56 -0800 Received: from localhost (philboyd@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA20908; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:06:36 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos E Soto To: bABy HueY cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? In-Reply-To: <19971106191428.7709.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i quit about 2 months ago and the first couple of weeks were the hardest. its been difficult lately too and on halloween i was shivering and sweating and couldn't sleep cause i wanted a cigarette so badly. i didn't really quit cold turkey though, i used Nicorrette gum. it relly helped a lot and actually gave me a lot of confidence, as it did for a roomate who quit with me. i would recommend trying it if you're committed to quitting. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 21:22:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1857 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 21:22:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 1847 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 21:22:56 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 21:22:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 2191 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 21:25:17 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 21:25:17 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961106132045.00c54d94@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:20:45 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: RE: quit smoking? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk this post was supposed to go out before my last. i sent it to sftraves.. duh. At 07:14 PM 11/6/97 GMT, you wrote: >Okay, just curious people, Has anyone out there tried to quit smoking >"cold turkey lurkey?" If so, what types of things ran through your **** it's what i would suggest. fooling yourself trying to "cut down" is a joke. just stop. stop and stay stopped. hang for three days. eat celery instead.. carry celery sticks around with you, no joke. do pushups [location permitting] every time you think about going for a smoke. do them until you forget you wanted a smoke [count the pushups in your head]. get peppermint candies. anything to do INSTEAD of getting that smoke. don't have any around. if they are available, you will be more likely to say.."oh, well, just one"... don't make any exceptions. if you want to quit, you have to be responsible for your own actions. there isn't anyone that is going to make you quit, your friends will give you a cig if you ask... this can be your undoing. you have to have it in your mind, and you can't let it slip away. i have. i have been _preparing my self to quit by cutting down first_ for two months [not quitting, i still smoke]. i was doing really well.. until i got sick [happens every year about this time, because i've smoked for about 7 years] my excuse is, without an expectorant, the ciggarettes surpress my cough, which is nice, because NOT coughing that shit up is more painful than doing it. [if i had the expectorant, it would come out, without, it hurts... so i surpress with a smoke..?] fucked up logic, but it seems to work. all i am doing is succumbing to my desire to get that nicotine. do it baby huey! just fucking do it! you have to be strong. stronger than i, you have to be more dedicated than anyone else who says they are "quitting" or they "want to quit". you have to just quit. and then you can say tommorrow, or an hour from now "i quit smoking", and "i don't smoke". believe me. it feels soooo good to say. make it happen, you're the only one who can. i've been there, but since last week or so i've been slipping. i don't know how long you've been smoking, but it is fucking HARD for me after 7+ years. i'm doing well, i actually have cut back to about 4 a day, and maybe a cigar [no smoke in the lungs, which is my main beef/no energy due to reduced oxygen transfer to cells] in the evening. that was from a pack and a half a day. seems like only three weeks [was actually a month and a half] ago i wasn't smoking at all... and didn't want a cig. don't let it happen to you. have the conviction to follow through. let me know how you are doing. in fact, i'll quit with you today, keep in touch, and we will get through this nasty addiction together. -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 21:28:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4424 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 21:28:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 4407 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 21:28:21 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 21:28:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19971106213022.24272.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.86.220.227] by web2; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:30:22 PST Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: SCiEnCe Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? typo To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ---SCiEnCe wrote: > > Danny, I know it's tough...especially when you're already diwnb to > begin with... Uh, sorry folks: when you're alrealy DOWN to begin with... -alex From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 21:42:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9566 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 21:42:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 9557 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 21:42:53 -0000 Received: from m13.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.193) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 21:42:53 -0000 Received: (from edleech@juno.com) by m13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id QYN04256; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:41:42 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, hardkiss@sirius.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:39:41 -0800 Subject: Liquid Message-ID: <19971106.133942.9806.4.edleech@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,5-10 From: edleech@juno.com (Ed Leech) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello and peace be with you. Can anyone give me the low down on liquid tomorrow night. I've never been before cuz I'm usually at Nikita's if I'm a clubbin' on a Friday BUT a sexy woman I met on halloween asked me if I wanted to go with her. You know that whatever any of you say I'm still going! I just wanted to know what to expect. Edx Be alert............Your country needs Lerts. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 21:51:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12037 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 21:51:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12028 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 21:51:18 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 21:51:18 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA11611; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA12894; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:45:19 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:53:43 -0800 To: SolR From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >At 11:40 AM 11/6/97 -0800, you wrote: >>the patch is cool because if you wear it at night, you have REALLY intense >>dreams about radioactive aliens wearing raver clothes...full cinematic plot >>structures in the dreams, and colors that are so bright it hurts your >>eyes. >**** >ok, sounds like i'm going to get the patch, regardless. Umm.. you should maybe probably be a smoker first, though. hee. hee. boom From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 22:05:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16420 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 22:05:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 16400 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 22:05:45 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 22:05:45 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xTa3N-00025t-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:05:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:01:09 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Ray Vonie cc: ravalum@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org, jeremy bispo Subject: Re: a ? for da list.... In-Reply-To: <346227F6.313F4E75@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Favorite party of all time: <3 Love Affair <3 I entered a spiritual plane I never knew existed.. aka I had an out of body experience. This party is what started my desire to be a DJ... the experience is a very sugnificant -*-engram-*- that has/will forever change my existence here on Earth... (stop being so damn spacey Byron... you're going to scare the children!!) Revolution 909 brings back memories of Harry Who and someone else tag teaming.... and a beautiful Sista' coming up to me and telling me she liked the way I danced.... so we start grooving and Revolution 909 comes on....(Daft Punk) very discoy.... very soulful.. very GOOD. Her name is Andrea and we're pen pals now... she's in the navy down in San Diego and spends time in Maine. Other parties that changed me for the better: Energy... if you were there with me you would know why. I had such a good time. It was grrrrreat. This is the last Space Children party that impressed me and fed my hunger for electronic music that I love.. JEDI KIGHTS.... nice... Freedom... the world alone states what it did for me. I had such a good time. This is one of the first parties I went to with Derek, my buddy ole pal.... all my Intel raving buddies were here... and this was one of the last parties we were all together at.. perhaps the last party ever.. :( Stacey Pullen changed my standards of House Music... and expanded my world in terms of music, djing, spiritual interaction between people while dancing...... If I had Stacey Pullen and Alton Miller(my Favorite DJ) in the same party I would die a happy boy. Party in your pants... This was a smaller underground party... I had such a good experience. Those who saw me there knew I was entranced at the front of the dance floor shirtless for most of the night. (haha) DJ Chip McClue spun some really good house that I had always wanted to hear at a party but never got a chance. Chip is a great guy.. This was also the first time I got a chance to hear Macadio(Proper pronounciation: Mack-Audio). This guy has the soul, the energy, the love for the music that I rarely see. He was grooving his azz off behind the decks... that's what I like to see.... :) Also, Tom from Santa Cruz spun a very wicked set.... I remember Macadio saying "That's an old school Joey Beltram track" as this really tight song came on.... I also had a really good time at Basics..... me Herby and my buddy Stephan all had a great time. We were staring towards visuals with the reality that we were looking off a 10 story balcony.... and Tony was spinning the fat beats (as always).... nice nice nice.... Back to work. I loved this thread.... I wish I read the original sooner. Byroni On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Ray Vonie wrote: > Its wonderfull to hear that... there will be a sequil to that event next Memorial day in > 98... with some incredible surprises in the works. > > Keep it real > > Vlad aka Ray Vonie > > ravalum@pacbell.net wrote: > > > Ohhh, that would HAVE to be EXPERIENCE back in MAY! Even though I had my wallet > > stolen and stuff-it was a bomb ass party. I had so much fun, danced great, meet some > > super people---it was the beginning of a wonderful relationship even though it only > > lasted for the summer. I have some great memories. > > > > Can't wait for the next one! Any info and the Experience anniversary? > > > > TERESA =] > > > > jeremy bispo wrote: > > > > > > hey Kidz~ > > > > > > after reading tha reviews of HTM and Happy Kidz... > > > I'm interested in ... What was your favorite > > > party/rave ? > > > > > > for me it's still a tie between Cloud Factory > > > Condensation and True Love... for different reasons > > > of course...condensation was tha 1 st time i remember > > > a certain dj... before dat they all ran in to > > > eachother... and true love... that vibe was so > > > thick... it coulda been cut wit a butta > > > knife...straight butta baby... > > > > > > How about you guys. WHAT WAS YOUR FAV PARTY/ RAVE ? > > > and WHY? > > > > > > love jeremy > > > > > > see ya @ VIBERATIONS & WONDER on tha NOV. 14th & 15th > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 22:25:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21710 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 22:25:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 21701 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 22:25:39 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 22:25:39 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xTaMl-0002P7-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:25:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: So when are we all going to meet??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ok kids, I think it's about time we (the kids who are interested in meeting) finally have some kind of get together. I am dieing to meet some of you guys and think you might be curious/crazy enough to meet some of us as well. We could have it @ someone's house. Pizza, movies, etc. We could just chill. We could do something childish and fun like Miniature golf. I think it would be nice to match a face to a e-mail address...... we're such fun, interesting, intelligent, outgoing, unique people that whatever we do will be cooool. What do you guys think of doing a little something something within the next month? It looks like rain... Nice.. I love the rain. It makes me feel so cozy.... I can't wait to go home and spin ... the rain puts me in such a good moood. I remember feeling the same way as a wee little byroni back in Kindergarden.... the rain brings out the best in me..... Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 22:37:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24224 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 22:37:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 24215 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 22:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 22:37:30 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:32:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971106143931.006acdd4@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:39:31 -0800 To: *byroni* , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Megan Hug Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk how about we rent out a kids playland? pizza, games, toys... and we'll make sure it rains that night... okay? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 22:42:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25814 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 22:42:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 25803 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 22:42:14 -0000 Received: from f27.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.38) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 22:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 21990 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 1997 22:42:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19971106224224.21989.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.61.220 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:42:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.212.61.220] From: "Mermaid D" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sgt pepper spray Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:42:23 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >What really worries me is that as police brutality becomes more >acceptable that it we could very well see such behavior >at raves. I ve already heard of this type of abuse >happening at parties. We cant just let it go on. > >this senator should be flooded with protest and removed from office. > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > `foolish fish > > Unfortunately there has been a recent occurrence of this type in the Los Angeles area at a party I believe called Fry for Five, or something like that anyhow. A friend of mine went home for the weekend and attended the party with some friends. He brought back unhappy reviews, after being pepper sprayed along with other kids who were waiting to get into the party. It seems there was a larger outcome than had been expected and the police arrived forcing those outside to leave and then eventually breaking up the party. Luckily my friend was not severely affected and he is back in SF safe and sound. However, this instance really frightens me. I don't want to have to worry about being pepper sprayed when my intentions are to go to a party and ingest some good vibes and great music. What can we do??? Come swim with me beneath the depths of the deep blue sea. ~~~Mermaid~~~ LuvTribe, SD From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 22:47:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28677 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 22:47:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 28658 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 22:47:15 -0000 Received: from mother.neurex.com (38.221.50.170) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 22:47:15 -0000 Received: by mother.neurex.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 88256547.007D6488 ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:49:37 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NEUREX CORPORATION From: mdowner@neurex.com To: byroni@ccnet.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <88256547.007C9705.00@mother.neurex.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:49:34 -0700 Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hehehehe ..... I wanna go make mud pies and play in the puddles and NOT get introuble with my my fo doing it. I love being an adult.. Okok well some adults do these things right?? Hmmmmmm . Oh well, Back to the SFR get together. That sounds like a awsome idea. I just signed back on to the list and there is allot of new names here. Hey maybe after it snows a little we can go on an SFR Ski trip and go to a snow park and make Frosty the SFR Raver Snowman.....hehhe ok ok I am loosing it a little, but if you worked where I do you would be just a little lost too. Well Lets start the poll where to meet and what to do for the SFR gett together: 1. Miniature Golf - Byroni 2. Dinner Or Movie, (I know boring) -Matt 3. 4. etc.... etc..... byroni@ccnet.com on 11/06/97 02:21:11 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org cc: (bcc: Matthew Downer/Neurex Corporation) Subject: So when are we all going to meet??? Ok kids, I think it's about time we (the kids who are interested in meeting) finally have some kind of get together. I am dieing to meet some of you guys and think you might be curious/crazy enough to meet some of us as well. We could have it @ someone's house. Pizza, movies, etc. We could just chill. We could do something childish and fun like Miniature golf. I think it would be nice to match a face to a e-mail address...... we're such fun, interesting, intelligent, outgoing, unique people that whatever we do will be cooool. What do you guys think of doing a little something something within the next month? It looks like rain... Nice.. I love the rain. It makes me feel so cozy.... I can't wait to go home and spin ... the rain puts me in such a good moood. I remember feeling the same way as a wee little byroni back in Kindergarden.... the rain brings out the best in me..... Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 22:47:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28906 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 22:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 28750 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 22:47:18 -0000 Received: from f61.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.147) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 22:47:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 14506 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 1997 22:46:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19971106224650.14502.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.61.220 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:46:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.212.61.220] From: "Mermaid D" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:46:50 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I've been waiting for someone to suggest another one of these little gatherings since I missed the first one. So you can count this little fish in...All for Fun and Fun for All!!!:) Come swim with me beneath the depths of the deep blue sea. ~~~Mermaid~~~ LuvTribe, SD From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 22:56:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 801 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 22:56:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 791 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 22:56:39 -0000 Received: from netcom12.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.124) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 22:56:39 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id OAA13826; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:56:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:56:33 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: sgt pepper spray To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <34621419.2BC0@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sadly, Sgt. Pepper Spray has become part of the SoCal scene. A few people got sprayed just this last weekend... I was glad I left the party right before the trouble started.... On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > Natasha426@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 11/5/97 9:42:59 PM, you wrote: > > > > < > wrong. It was totally inexcusable. Swiping pepper spray directly into the > > eyes of peaceful demonstrators is cruel.>> > > > > It makes me sick to see footage of that episode....the officers treated those > > (PEACEFUL) demonstrators like animals > > > > natashawhats even worse is the senators response. > > He said that these were not peaceful demonstrators because > they had on dark clothing and that anyone that wears dark clothing > is obviously not a peaceful person. Only paramilitary terrorist > involved in a conspiracy would were dark clothing. > And he continues to say that its disgusting that the media > is portraying these "vicious criminals"(the protestors) as > victims of a crime. > > What really worries me is that as police brutality becomes more > acceptable that it we could very well see such behavior > at raves. I ve already heard of this type of abuse > happening at parties. We cant just let it go on. > > this senator should be flooded with protest and removed from office. > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > `foolish fish > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 23:07:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3254 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 23:07:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 3244 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 23:07:31 -0000 Received: from emout02.mx.aol.com (HELO emout02.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.93) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 23:07:31 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA03347 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:07:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:07:00 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971106180645_831022564@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Spencer on Drew Carey Show!!!!!!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Tally another mark on the board for Spencer's Television appearances!! When are we going to have a special showing of these?? I've got the Real World one. SPencer was on ~~~~> Real World Eliminations The Dating Game The Drew Cary Show Hugs, ^v^v^v^Trice the Tekno Diva^v^v^v^ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 23:20:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9461 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 23:20:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 9189 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 23:20:27 -0000 Received: from imo03.mx.aol.com (HELO imo03.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.105) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 23:20:27 -0000 From: Daveglide Message-ID: <4fb79edf.34624c8c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:03:22 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Coming out of the Lurking Closet Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello folks; I moved to S.F. about three months ago and have been lurking around this list for a month. I've thought and thought about ways to make music and dancing and raving more a part of my life, esp. now that I"ve taken on the semblance of a "mainstream" life with traditional working hours, and I've been out of school long enough that most of my college friends are similarly busy, or currently uninterested in raving. The frustrated ex-slacker in me misses late nights and lazy days after.... So I"m putting out a call to any other shell-shocked 9-5ers. Can we support each other in having a life outside of work? Please save me, I may be forced to start writing up business plans in my evenings, and I don't ever want to be that productive. I would love to get emails from any of you. peas, LaurenG. Daveglide@aol.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 23:26:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11728 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 23:26:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 11719 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 23:26:25 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 23:26:25 -0000 Received: from hikaru-mccarthy (ppp-206-170-3-234.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.3.234]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA07946; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:26:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34624F54.6427@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:14:28 -0800 From: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" Reply-To: mickeymc@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-PBWG (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mdowner@neurex.com CC: byroni@ccnet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? References: <88256547.007C9705.00@mother.neurex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk mdowner@neurex.com wrote: > > Hehehehe ..... I wanna go make mud pies and play in the puddles and NOT > get introuble with my my fo doing it. I love being an adult.. Okok well > some adults do these things right?? Hmmmmmm . > > Oh well, Back to the SFR get together. That sounds like a awsome idea. I > just signed back on to the list and there is allot of new names here. Hey > maybe after it snows a little we can go on an SFR Ski trip and go to a snow > park and make Frosty the SFR Raver Snowman.....hehhe ok ok I am loosing it > a little, but if you worked where I do you would be just a little lost too. > > Well Lets start the poll where to meet and what to do for the SFR gett > together: > > 1. Miniature Golf - Byroni > 2. Dinner Or Movie, (I know boring) -Matt > 3. > 4. My #3 would prolly have to be snowboardin... we're sittin on one of the beginning storms of an El Nino world class once inna century get crazy and jump offa cliff into deep powder yadda yadda yadda season... take advantage of it and get a new addiction in yer life... Snowboardin!!... actually, make that #1 fer me and bump the other options one down:) A lot of the ski resorts have discounts fer large groups buying lift tix, and I'm sure some of us on the list who snoboard would be more than happy to yell at us who are still learnin to get off their asses and go on a run other than a bunny slope *ahem* I mean teach others how to ride... so we could prolly scratch the costs of boardin lessons too. Just an idea from a crazy jubber onna list yo crazy jibber > etc.... etc..... > > byroni@ccnet.com on 11/06/97 02:21:11 PM > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > cc: (bcc: Matthew Downer/Neurex Corporation) > Subject: So when are we all going to meet??? > > Ok kids, > > I think it's about time we (the kids who are interested in meeting) > finally have some kind of get together. I am dieing to meet some of you > guys and think you might be curious/crazy enough to meet some of us as > well. We could have it @ someone's house. Pizza, movies, etc. We could > just chill. We could do something childish and fun like Miniature golf. I > think > it would be nice to match a face to a e-mail address...... we're such > fun, interesting, intelligent, outgoing, unique people that whatever we do > will be cooool. > > What do you guys think of doing a little something something within the > next month? > > It looks like rain... Nice.. I love the rain. It makes me feel so cozy.... > I can't wait to go home and spin ... the rain puts me in such a good > moood. I remember feeling the same way as a wee little byroni back in > Kindergarden.... the rain brings out the best in me..... > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 23:30:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12605 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 23:30:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 12596 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 23:30:07 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 23:30:07 -0000 Received: (from ivan8r@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SAD18810; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:29:14 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:43:39 -0800 Subject: nrr:looking for Christine's email addy Message-ID: <19971106.154340.11302.2.ivan8r@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5 From: ivan8r@juno.com (Ivan Vasquez) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk High all! Sorry to wham bam thank you spam the list, but does anybody have Christine the Candy Girl's email address? Please send it to me privately. Ivan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 23:30:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13131 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 23:30:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 13111 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 23:30:32 -0000 Received: from u2.netgate.net (haze@204.145.147.8) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 23:30:32 -0000 Received: (from haze@localhost) by u2.netgate.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08916 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:32:15 -0800 (PST) From: Haze Message-Id: <199711062332.PAA08916@u2.netgate.net> Subject: Delurking To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:32:15 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: haze@netgate.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello all! Since it seems we've hit a trend of delurkers, I thought I'd add my two bits to the arena. I've been in CA (South Bay/San Jose), for a bit over three years now, moved her from Wisconsin with a month long stopover in Montreal. I suppose I'd be considered a newbie or a rave virgin as, although I've gone to plenty of clubs of a variety of types: Goth, Industrial, Hip Hop, etc. love to dance, hang out and even have several Rave and Trance CDs, I've never actually /been/ to a rave. Mostly for lack of anyone to go with (I know plenty of people, most of which aren't even interested in going to rgeular clubs, much less raves). Needless to say, I'm muchly interested in trying a rave or five. I've been on the list for probably about a week or so, and I have to say, that compared to other lists I've been on, for a variety of things, this is probably one of the most mellow and supportive groups of people I've seen. I haven't seen any of the whining and flaming and complaining I see on all of the other lists I've seen. I think this is something the people on this list should/can be proud of. :) At any rate, if there are any other southbayers, or anyone who wants to chat, or join in my search of a rave/life/whatever, feel free to drop me email, there's never such a thing as too much! Ok, well, sometimes there is, but that's all of those nudie ads and 'make money now!' crap that I delete without reading anyway. :) Haze/Multiple other names, ask for info. :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 23:30:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13647 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 23:30:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 13638 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 23:30:52 -0000 Received: from mrin44.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin44.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.154) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 23:30:52 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA21709 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:30:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:30:24 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971106183023_797555311@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR:quit smoking? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I don't know... but I seem to notice every raver is always fiending for cigarettes. I've always prided myself on not smoking (not to mention the fact that I think smoking is disgusting) but it seems that it's such a part of raving that just being around it has got me addicted. I still never put a cigarette to my lips, and It seems to be the thing I have the most self control over. I just hope I never have to go through the process of quitting, seeing as how I'm helping a special someone through it rite now. DON"T START! Ok.. that's my lame advice for the day.... hugs n'stuff, trice the tekno diva "If I wasn't a dj i'd be a porn star because it's something I'd be really good at. " "No... I like my teeth white and my lungs in one piece thank you very much." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 23:32:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14672 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 23:32:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 14662 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 23:32:46 -0000 Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (192.86.155.100) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 23:32:46 -0000 Received: from mailsun2.us.oracle.com (mailsun2.us.oracle.com [144.25.88.74]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA28109 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailsun2.us.oracle.com (SMI-8.6/37.8) id PAA22333; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:41:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199711062341.PAA22333@mailsun2.us.oracle.com> Date: 06 Nov 97 14:49:30 -0800 From: "Zza" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Flyers that are Records that are Flyers MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.1.3.40) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I remember seeing an actual record (ok it was like 5" in diameter) for a party. I can see promoters bragging now: "My flyer is stiffer than yours!" zza From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 23:50:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20642 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 23:50:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 20633 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 23:50:22 -0000 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (128.32.155.12) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 23:50:22 -0000 Received: from put-79-58.reshall.berkeley.edu (put-79-58.Reshall.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.79.58]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA09995 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:50:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971106154559.006adaa4@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: jessicab@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:45:59 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: J E S S I C A !!!!!!!!!! Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? In-Reply-To: <88256547.007C9705.00@mother.neurex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey everyone! I don't post very often (okay, hardly ever) but I would like to meet you all!! >Well Lets start the poll where to meet and what to do for the SFR gett >together: > >1. Miniature Golf - Byroni >2. Dinner Or Movie, (I know boring) -Matt >3. >4. >etc.... etc..... > > What about going to the beach around Half Moon Bay or something one of these foggy days (on the weekend, cuz lots of us have work) and kicking it there and schmoozing and all that stuff??? Even the Berkeley Marina would work, or there's some places in SF along the coast that would be cooooool. Just an idea . . . . . J E S S I C A ! ! ! ! b.b. :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 06 23:59:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24024 invoked by uid 6000); 6 Nov 1997 23:59:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 23587 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 23:59:30 -0000 Received: from lbin.com (HELO light.lbin.com) (204.30.25.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 23:59:30 -0000 Received: by light.lbin.com (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3) id ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:54:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346259B1.1761DDE7@lbin.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:58:41 -0800 From: Ryan PC Gibson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? References: <3.0.1.32.19971106154559.006adaa4@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk It could be pretty fun to sit on the beach, toasting marshmellows on a fire in the sand and get to know people in that eerie flickering light. There are always folk with fires on the beach down past the GG park, and people & pigs just leave them alone. Now the only thing is, does anyone know where to get vegetarian (without the gelatin) marshmellows? -ryan. J E S S I C A !!!!!!!!!! wrote: > What about going to the beach around Half Moon Bay or something one of > these foggy days (on the weekend, cuz lots of us have work) and kicking it > there and schmoozing and all that stuff??? Even the Berkeley Marina would > work, or there's some places in SF along the coast that would be cooooool. > Just an idea . . . . . > > J E S S I C A ! ! ! ! > b.b. :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 00:03:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25765 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 00:03:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 25749 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 00:03:23 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 00:03:23 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25851 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:02:24 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n3-75.napanet.net [157.22.193.75]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA12539 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:00:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971106160008.0068fe1c@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:00:08 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi Butterfield Subject: 23five benefit @ the Lab Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >23 five invites you to a benefit spectacular... > > >Bay Area subterraneous notables converge >for an evening of indulgence in sound, sight, >sushi, and support to benefit 23five Incorporated. > >When: Saturday, Nov. 8, 1997, 9 p.m. >Where: The Lab, 2948 16th St. (at Capp) >How much: $10 to $15 sliding scale Is anyone going to this? I'm gonna be there, just sitting here wondering.. .Hot Flop. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 00:04:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26332 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 00:04:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 26323 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 00:04:01 -0000 Received: from imo04.mx.aol.com (HELO imo04.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.106) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 00:04:01 -0000 From: Natasha426 Message-ID: <716adde6.3462553d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:40:28 EST To: fish1111@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sgt pepper spray Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/6/97 2:16:03 PM, you wrote: << natasha whats even worse is the senators response. He said that these were not peaceful demonstrators because they had on dark clothing and that anyone that wears dark clothing is obviously not a peaceful personAnd he continues to say that its disgusting that the media is portraying these "vicious criminals"(the protestors) as victims of a crime.>> MY GAWD.......then I guess I"m a "vicious criminal" who lives in an apartment with "vicious furniture" and "vicious lighting".... What I *really* think is that the senator needs some serious mind expansion....and some tolerance natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 00:05:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27555 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 00:05:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 27546 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 00:05:50 -0000 Received: from m18.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.191) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 00:05:50 -0000 Received: (from gaberramos@juno.com) by m18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TAC04422; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:05:19 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:59:11 -0800 Subject: Tonite Nov 6--Majick (bsp) Message-ID: <19971106.160054.4678.1.GabeRRamos@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14 From: gaberramos@juno.com (Gabriel R. Ramos) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Raindance productions presents a new, every-other weekly in Santa Cruz MAJICK featuring deep and progressive House future guests : tonight nov 6 Tracy (mixology) November 20 Carlos (SF House Collective) December 4 Jeno (Wicked) 10pm - 1am at Rosie McCann's at 1220 Pacific Ave $3 21+w/id please for info call (408)425-3316 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 00:22:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2718 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 00:22:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 2709 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 00:22:03 -0000 Received: from portal.visa.com (198.80.42.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 00:22:03 -0000 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18842 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for sfraves@hyperreal.org); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:22:01 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:22:01 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Chenevich, Chris" To: 'sfraves' Subject: RE: So when are we all going to meet??? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:22:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Yeah, > My friends and I use to do this a lot in the summer months over by Half Moon >Bay, We'd bring a bunch of wood, and some marshmallows and just lounge on the >beach for a few hours. I know some good spots in the Half Moon area where >the cops don't check, and the only time they did they just said not to leave >a mess and went about their business. > >-Chris > >---------- >From: Ryan PC Gibson[SMTP:ryanpc@lbin.com] >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 3:58 PM >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? > > It could be pretty fun to sit on the beach, toasting marshmellows on a >fire in the sand and get to know people in that eerie flickering light. >There >are always folk with fires on the beach down past the GG park, and people & >pigs just leave them alone. > > Now the only thing is, does anyone know where to get vegetarian (without >the gelatin) marshmellows? > > -ryan. > >J E S S I C A !!!!!!!!!! wrote: > >> What about going to the beach around Half Moon Bay or something one of >> these foggy days (on the weekend, cuz lots of us have work) and kicking it >> there and schmoozing and all that stuff??? Even the Berkeley Marina would >> work, or there's some places in SF along the coast that would be cooooool. >> Just an idea . . . . . >> >> J E S S I C A ! ! ! ! >> b.b. :) > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 00:25:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3998 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 00:25:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 3987 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 00:25:15 -0000 Received: from f108.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.227) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 00:25:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 5278 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 00:24:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107002443.5277.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.86.155.91 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:24:43 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.86.155.91] From: "Josh_E Josh" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, mermaid_d@hotmail.com Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:24:43 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I've been waiting for someone to suggest another one of these little gatherings since I missed the first one. So you can count this little fish in...All for Fun and Fun for All!!!:) Come swim with me beneath the depths of the deep blue sea. ~~~Mermaid~~~ LuvTribe, SD ----------------------------------------------------- I know! Let's go to a Rager! I heard that it's this place where A lot of Really Kewl People get together and Dance to Loud Techno. But get this! They stay out ALL NIGHT! ;) Nah, for Real. I'm down 4 this 2. Come Step into A Whole New Realm;) -C.H. Josh "E" Josh From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 01:23:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15478 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 01:23:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 15468 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 01:23:03 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 01:23:03 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA30749 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:22:00 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n1-20.napanet.net [157.22.193.20]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA02757 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:11:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971106171136.006954ec@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:11:36 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi Butterfield Subject: RE: So when are we all going to meet??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >>Yeah, >> My friends and I use to do this a lot in the summer months over by Half Moon >>Bay, We'd bring a bunch of wood, and some marshmallows and just lounge on the >>beach for a few hours. I know some good spots in the Half Moon area where >>the cops don't check, and the only time they did they just said not to leave >>a mess and went about their business. >> >>-Chris >> >>---------- >>From: Ryan PC Gibson[SMTP:ryanpc@lbin.com] >>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 3:58 PM >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? >> >> It could be pretty fun to sit on the beach, toasting marshmellows on a >>fire in the sand and get to know people in that eerie flickering light. >>There >>are always folk with fires on the beach down past the GG park, and people & >>pigs just leave them alone. >> >> Now the only thing is, does anyone know where to get vegetarian (without >>the gelatin) marshmellows? >> >> -ryan. >> >>J E S S I C A !!!!!!!!!! wrote: >> >>> What about going to the beach around Half Moon Bay or something one of >>> these foggy days (on the weekend, cuz lots of us have work) and kicking it >>> there and schmoozing and all that stuff??? Even the Berkeley Marina would >>> work, or there's some places in SF along the coast that would be cooooool. >>> Just an idea . . . . . >>> >>> J E S S I C A ! ! ! ! >>> b.b. :) >> >> >> >> >> I think that this sounds like a great idea...I don't know how I would ever make it though. I really don't know why I'm posting this, I guess I could make it if I really tried...does everyone agree that the beach is a good place? .Until then...you have to live with yourself - Tricky. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 01:29:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16417 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 01:29:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 16404 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 01:29:00 -0000 Received: from f106.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.225) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 01:29:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 7017 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 01:28:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107012833.7016.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.51 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:28:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.51] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, byroni@ccnet.com Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:28:32 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I love the rain!!! tell me when, where, what to bring and I'll be there... oh.. I may need directions as well :) umm im going home for thanks Giving weekend nov 25-29 or 30th so then is not a good time.. otherwise anytime is all good.. i hope all right peace Philip disordr >Ok kids, > >I think it's about time we (the kids who are interested in meeting) >finally have some kind of get together. I am dieing to meet some of you >guys and think you might be curious/crazy enough to meet some of us as >well. We could have it @ someone's house. Pizza, movies, etc. We could >just chill. We could do something childish and fun like Miniature golf. I think >it would be nice to match a face to a e-mail address...... we're such >fun, interesting, intelligent, outgoing, unique people that whatever we do >will be cooool. > >What do you guys think of doing a little something something within the >next month? > >It looks like rain... Nice.. I love the rain. It makes me feel so cozy.... >I can't wait to go home and spin ... the rain puts me in such a good >moood. I remember feeling the same way as a wee little byroni back in >Kindergarden.... the rain brings out the best in me..... > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 01:49:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23549 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 01:49:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 23538 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 01:49:23 -0000 Received: from liberty3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.6) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 01:49:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 24700 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 01:48:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107014856.24699.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.61.217 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:48:56 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.212.61.217] From: "Kimberly the Mermaid" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:48:56 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Horay for the bon fire and marshmellows!!! I am all over that one, and down by the ocean too! You couldn't have thought of a better way to get me there! So when we gonna do this kids??? I hope soon, because suddenly I am really anxious...and so many fresh guppies just like me! (If only we could convice Uncle Noah to make a special trip, I just gotta meet the guy who helped me find all of you) Come swim with me beneath the depths of the deep blue sea. ~~~Mermaid~~~ LuvTribe, SD From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 01:53:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25305 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 01:53:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 25296 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 01:53:05 -0000 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.117) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 01:53:05 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id RAA25827; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:53:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:53:02 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? To: Kimberly the Mermaid cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971107014856.24699.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You're too sweet! :D I'll tell you all a secret here -- I really want to travel northward and visit you folks for NYE, but what I really really want is to come up for NYE and spin rekkids! So, if anyone out there is looking to book a breakbeat DJ for their NYE party, drop me a note, okie dokie? Thanks. On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Kimberly the Mermaid wrote: > > Horay for the bon fire and marshmellows!!! I am all over that one, and > down by the ocean too! You couldn't have thought of a better way to get > me there! So when we gonna do this kids??? I hope soon, because > suddenly I am really anxious...and so many fresh guppies just like me! > (If only we could convice Uncle Noah to make a special trip, I just > gotta meet the guy who helped me find all of you) > > Come swim with me beneath the depths of the deep blue sea. > ~~~Mermaid~~~ > LuvTribe, SD > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 01:58:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27188 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 01:58:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 27179 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 01:58:30 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 01:58:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 14407 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 02:00:50 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 02:00:50 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961106175619.00c5d2d4@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 17:56:19 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? In-Reply-To: <346259B1.1761DDE7@lbin.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19971106154559.006adaa4@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 03:58 PM 11/6/97 -0800, you wrote: > Now the only thing is, does anyone know where to get vegetarian (without >the gelatin) marshmellows? **** I could carve some tofu into marshmellow cylinders for you. they might toast up... sprinkle a little sugar on them... just a thought. >sigh< -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 02:02:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27968 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 02:02:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 27959 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 02:02:03 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 02:02:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 14570 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 02:04:15 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 02:04:15 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961106175943.00c5d2d4@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 17:59:43 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: sgt pepper spray Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 06:40 PM 11/6/97 EST, you wrote: >MY GAWD.......then I guess I"m a "vicious criminal" who lives in >an apartment with "vicious furniture" and "vicious lighting".... >What I *really* think is that the senator needs some serious >mind expansion....and some tolerance **** i think we should give all politicians a big fat spray in the face with that Sgt. Pepper Spray... they might just see things in a different light. i'd say it would be pretty likely.. where can i get some of it? heh. end of the day here at work... once again... >sigh< -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 02:13:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5186 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 02:13:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 5177 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 02:13:53 -0000 Received: from imo06.mx.aol.com (HELO imo06.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.86) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 02:13:53 -0000 From: SB PRiNce Message-ID: <425794d8.34627791@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:06:56 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: hey all u ravers and clubers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey whats up? since all u out there r like clubers or ravers or soemthing close to that, tell me what u think of my site please, and give me some indies info cuz i expect u all to be at least 21 and im not yet, not for a while : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/2381/INDEX.HTML make sure INDEX.HTML is in caps thanx - sign the guestbook if u can, and email me telling me if theres ne-thing wrong SBPRiNce@aol.com -mike THa SouTH Bay PRiNce- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 02:15:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6342 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 02:15:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 6325 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 02:15:42 -0000 Received: from denmark-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO denmark.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 02:15:42 -0000 Received: from [153.34.230.38] (1Cust38.max44.san-francisco2.ca.ms.uu.net [153.34.230.38]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28699; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:15:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711070215.SAA28699@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 18:16:34 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: hak1 To: "J E S S I C A !!!!!!!!!!" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >What about going to the beach around Half Moon Bay or something one of >these foggy days (on the weekend, cuz lots of us have work) and kicking it >there and schmoozing and all that stuff??? Even the Berkeley Marina would >work, or there's some places in SF along the coast that would be cooooool. >Just an idea . . . . . > >J E S S I C A ! ! ! ! >b.b. :) that sounds about right for me. jsut kicking it inna cozy kewl place would be killer on the weekend sometime. haK From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 02:49:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14937 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 02:49:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 14907 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 02:48:58 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 02:48:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id SAA29012; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:48:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:48:51 -0800 (PST) From: To: SB PRiNce cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers In-Reply-To: <425794d8.34627791@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, SB PRiNce wrote: > hey whats up? > > since all u out there r like clubers or ravers > or soemthing close to that, tell me what u think > of my site please, and give me some indies info > cuz i expect u all to be at least 21 and im not > yet, not for a while : Can someone please explain to me what language this person is speaking? It looks like some bastardized version of English, or maybe a piece of foreign language translation software gone arwy, but I am not sure. Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 02:50:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16228 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 02:50:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 16126 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 02:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us) (156.1.240.40) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 02:50:01 -0000 Received: from [156.1.196.4] ([156.1.196.4]) by muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08421 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:47:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199711070247.SAA08421@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> X-Sender: bworthe@sfusd.k12.ca.us (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:53:06 +0100 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: bworthe@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Bea Worthen) Subject: Re: where did the majik go? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm so sick of all these Tommy Hilfiger wearing kids... trying so hard to fit in... wearing clothes that are so overpriced... and they must feel like they have to be wearing what everyone else is... while i do agree with alot of what u said i find this comment to be a bit irritating i like brand name clothes and i also like regular clothes but i dont see how this merits or demerits my maturity level or my "right to rave" not that i care ill keep on wearing what evr i want no whether ill keep raving or not that remains to be seen ........MOSHE From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 02:50:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16830 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 02:50:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 16821 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 02:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us) (156.1.240.40) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 02:50:35 -0000 Received: from [156.1.196.4] ([156.1.196.4]) by muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08427 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:48:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199711070248.SAA08427@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> X-Sender: bworthe@sfusd.k12.ca.us (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:53:29 +0100 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: bworthe@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Bea Worthen) Subject: Re: where did the magic go? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk bobbin' their heads to hip hop music, something isn't right in my idea of a rave and it doesn't seem the least bit as magical as the chill room at Superlove in April. WOAH!!!!!! no dissin hip hop ok? hip hop is responsible for alot of the music in our scene so its a bit silly to disrespect it as a reason for why our scene sucks . I played hip hop at wave legnth and it was an under ground and i played hip hop at experience(a lot) a party u said was an example of a "magical massive" hip hop is the original underground without it there would be no trip hop ,breakbeat,jungle,electro,and a good deal of house and techno ok ? one love to everything underground.....Moshe From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 03:15:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24601 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 03:15:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 24585 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 03:15:08 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 03:15:08 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-179.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.179]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA02218 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:15:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3462880C.53F8@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:16:28 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk blkadder@value.net wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, SB PRiNce wrote: > > > hey whats up? > > > > since all u out there r like clubers or ravers > > or soemthing close to that, tell me what u think > > of my site please, and give me some indies info > > cuz i expect u all to be at least 21 and im not > > yet, not for a while : > > Can someone please explain to me what language this person is speaking? It > looks like some bastardized version of English, or maybe a piece of > foreign language translation software gone arwy, but I am not sure. > > Black Adder yeah i know what you mean ...these people that are not like everybody else and do things differently are so irratating...makes me want to bang my head on my computer desk.... ok sorry i blew up like that...I'll go take a walk and chill out now. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish think differently From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 04:05:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4100 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 04:05:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 4091 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 04:05:22 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 04:05:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA19401; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:05:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:05:42 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: hak1 cc: J E S S I C A !!!!!!!!!! , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? In-Reply-To: <199711070215.SAA28699@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk that'd be cool... we could sit around and cuddle inna big huge 1-mile-long fuzzy blanket drinkin hot choc next to a fire and watch movies :) while we watch the rain outside fall hard. after a huge puddle fight. yup. so whose house can we wreck? ;) no but seriously. i'm down. we could also have like a day @ the park, say the berkeley marina or something, on a sunny day, so we can all hang out and not really necessarily listen to music, but kick it, fly kites, play stupid games and meet. that way we wouldnt have to cram into a house, or whatever. although house-visiting would be cool too. i'm down for whatever, really. peace lara (xo) On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, hak1 wrote: > >What about going to the beach around Half Moon Bay or something one of > >these foggy days (on the weekend, cuz lots of us have work) and kicking it > >there and schmoozing and all that stuff??? Even the Berkeley Marina would > >work, or there's some places in SF along the coast that would be cooooool. > >Just an idea . . . . . > > > >J E S S I C A ! ! ! ! > >b.b. :) > that sounds about right for me. jsut kicking it inna cozy kewl place > would be killer on the weekend sometime. > > haK > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 04:11:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6076 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 04:11:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 6067 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 04:11:35 -0000 Received: from mrin45.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin45.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.155) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 04:11:35 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA10798 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:11:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:11:07 -0500 (EST) From: BeccaPlntE@aol.com Message-ID: <971106231106_-189650706@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Any low cost parties on Friday?? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey everyone! I was wondering if there were any parties this Friday that is under $20?? I really want to go dancing this weekend, and I don't feel like emptying my wallet. Can anyone out there help me?? PEACE, <3, and lots of :) BECCa From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 04:23:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8640 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 04:23:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 8631 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 04:23:46 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 04:23:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 11466 invoked by alias); 7 Nov 1997 04:23:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107042344.11465.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 11424 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 04:23:41 -0000 Received: from madmax-129.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.129) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 04:23:41 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: *byroni* , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:23:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? Reply-to: Faro@usa.net In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Just another thought to add to the list of places to go... The mention of miniature golf brought back some memories for me because where I used to live there used to be an indoor roller skating rink right next to where there was a miniature golf course. It has been a LONG time since I have done any rollerskating, but I could totally see a bunch of SFRavers rollerskating to some great music for hours on end. Of course, I don't know if such a place exists around here or not... But still... I would be tons of fun. -Faro Faro@usa.net > Ok kids, > > I think it's about time we (the kids who are interested in meeting) > finally have some kind of get together. I am dieing to meet some of you > guys and think you might be curious/crazy enough to meet some of us as > well. We could have it @ someone's house. Pizza, movies, etc. We could > just chill. We could do something childish and fun like Miniature golf. I think > it would be nice to match a face to a e-mail address...... we're such > fun, interesting, intelligent, outgoing, unique people that whatever we do > will be cooool. > > What do you guys think of doing a little something something within the > next month? > > It looks like rain... Nice.. I love the rain. It makes me feel so cozy.... > I can't wait to go home and spin ... the rain puts me in such a good > moood. I remember feeling the same way as a wee little byroni back in > Kindergarden.... the rain brings out the best in me..... > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 04:46:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15279 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 04:46:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 15262 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 04:46:23 -0000 Received: from linex1.linex.com (HELO relay.linex.net) (199.4.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 04:46:23 -0000 Received: from linex4.linex.com (linex4.linex.com [206.54.38.14]) by relay.linex.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA19463 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from linex2.linex.com by linex4.linex.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA22652; Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:45:36 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:44:46 -0800 (PST) From: aminita To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Get Together Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone! Personally I would love to go miniature golfing, then rent a movie and order pizza in or eat it at the minature golf place....dunno but we shoudl have a fun filled day, maybe even head over to some party later on that eevening if it's a friday or sat, even a weekly. :) Fri are the best for me what about you guys? aminita From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 04:48:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15920 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 04:48:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 15911 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 04:48:07 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 04:48:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 27237 invoked by alias); 7 Nov 1997 04:48:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107044805.27235.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 27210 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 04:48:02 -0000 Received: from madmax-129.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.129) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 04:48:02 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:47:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: NRR Re: Rolling Stones Tix Reply-to: Faro@usa.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I remember seeing a post a little while back from someone looking for Stones tickets.. I noticed these posts on a SF State Bulletin Board and thought I would pass them along in case you are still looking: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For Fri Nov. 14th 2 avail. on first deck Sect. 115 For Sat Nov. 15th 8 avail on first deck Sect. 129 Best Offer... Leave message (415) 387-2621 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For Tue Nov. 18th 4 avail $110 each on first deck center Sect. 119 row 28 Call evenings... David @ (415) 756-4793 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For Tue Nov. 18th $130 on grass (ground floor) Call... Maya @ (415) 665-5980 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hope this helps someone out :-) -Faro Faro@usa.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 05:14:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21845 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 05:14:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 21835 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 05:14:41 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 05:14:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 12338 invoked by alias); 7 Nov 1997 05:14:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107051439.12337.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 12248 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 05:14:34 -0000 Received: from madmax-129.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.129) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 05:14:34 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:14:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers Reply-to: Faro@usa.net In-reply-to: <425794d8.34627791@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Since some people seem to be having trouble understading this post, I have taken it upon myself to translate it to ye goode olde fashioned English Please feel fee to correct me If you believe I have somehow garbled the translation: Greetings fellow kinsmen.. It hast fallen upon mine ears that many of thou art seekers of amusing diversions. Therefore, whilst thou art out browsing yon world wide web, please give me the honor of your presence at my humble abode. I would be in your deepest debt if thou were to offer me, a poor knave, some words of wisodm from your learned tounge. Thou mayest call upon me at the following address: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/2381/INDEX.HTML Observe yon Caps Lock Key and be surest that thou hast set it properly. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Faro Faro@usa.net > hey whats up? > > since all u out there r like clubers or ravers > or soemthing close to that, tell me what u think > of my site please, and give me some indies info > cuz i expect u all to be at least 21 and im not > yet, not for a while : > > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/2381/INDEX.HTML > > make sure INDEX.HTML is in caps > > thanx - sign the guestbook if u can, and email > me telling me if theres ne-thing wrong > SBPRiNce@aol.com > > -mike > THa SouTH Bay PRiNce- > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 05:18:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23407 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 05:18:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 23398 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 05:18:03 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 05:18:03 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-212.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.212]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id VAA22192 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:18:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3462A4E0.E1C@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:19:28 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk lara at vibe.org wrote: > > that'd be cool... > we could sit around and cuddle inna big huge 1-mile-long fuzzy blanket > drinkin hot choc next to a fire and watch movies :) > while we watch the rain outside fall hard. > after a huge puddle fight. > yup. > so whose house can we wreck? ;) I think the best way to approach this house wrecking party is MLM... multilevel marketing. We get a small core group and go from house to house partying a little at the first one and then move onto the next one...we each get 5 friends and then go wreck their houses.Then they each get 5 of their friend/neighbors and pretty soon we will have 1000's of parties popping up all over the city. The police will be going boinkers trying to keep up. "there in th haight...no...now they are in the mission...no...now..." By morning we will have the whole city partying...even those that have never been to a rave will be swept up in the fun. We will have the GG bridge covered with glowsticks, the buildings downtown will all be painted flourescent...we will have every laser in the city lighting up the sky..... ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 07:23:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24299 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 07:23:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 24290 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 07:23:37 -0000 Received: from mrin47.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin47.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.157) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 07:23:37 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin47.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAB12260; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:23:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:23:08 -0500 (EST) From: SBPRiNce@aol.com Message-ID: <971107022308_539937947@mrin47> To: blkadder@value.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: just go here Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk JUST GO TO THIS SITE, AND SIGN THE GUESTBOOK GIVING YOUR OPINION ON IT: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/2381/HOMEPAGE.HTML From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 08:48:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9246 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 08:48:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 9237 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 08:48:14 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 08:48:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA25130 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:49:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:48:58 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" Reply-To: "lara at vibe.org" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ravers are all types of people. Read stereotypes below (not my opinionz). Yanno what I really hate? Those kids who wear Polo Sport at parties. I mean who the fuck do they think they are? They spend all this money on these clothes that don't look any better than something that comes from Ross or Mervyn's, and it's like a status symbol. TOTAL label WHORES! I hate it! What are they trying to prove? Isn't it stupid?? *** what a label WHORE might say: HEY I like Polo sport, Tommy, Nautica, whatever. I dress in Polo tbecause I have the money to spend on the clothes, and I like looking good, I like feeling good about myself. Polo Sport has some really TIGHT ASS looking clothes, that look good on me, so why not? I have the extra cash and I just like the label. I'm not trying to prove anytthing by wearing it. So what if it's popular. tons of raver kids wear jnco's but think nothing of it. Polo Sport may not be a rave-clothing line, and alot of kids wear it, but alot of kids wear it becaus it's a quality line of clothing. I'm choosing to wear what i want, what's so wrong with that? Yanno what I really hate? Those Candy-raver-type kidthings. I mean come on, are they pedophiles or what? It's all a contest to see who's the cutest! They're totally missing the whole point of raving and dressing up like little kids, prancing around embarrasing themselves!!! they should grow up! SOOOO IMMATURE~! FREAKS!!! *** what a candyRAVER might say: Hey, I think dressing up like this is HELLA FUN! You don't get to dress like this everyday, so why not? it makes me feel like an individual and unique, and hey, i love the colors of teh rainbow, they're beautiful and not put to use enough in the world. i like creating new outfits for each party, it gives me something to do and the chance to utilize my talent and creativity! i feel i look cute, yes, and that's how i want to look! why should i dress in jeans and a shirt when i can look as neat as this! it's totally not about status, it's all about making myself feel good about myself. what's so wrong with that? now here are MY two cents on the whole topic (DISCLAIMER: anything written before this last sentence has been a portrayl of stereotypes, and merely a display of different views, to make the below point) Yanno what I really hate? How we (yes, I include myself here because we are ALl at fault at one point in our life) assume that there is ONE type of raver, and that one type is right. As if there's a RAVER uniform (and this applies to all other PEOPLE too, not just ravers). To be honest, I have Polo Sport shirts that a friend gave me, and I wear them all the time now. I don't think "HEY this makes me cool," if anything, I think "hey, I look good in this, it's fuckin COMFORTABLE, it's FLY, I like it." I DO like it/ It's my style. I own Jnco's. I wear candybracelets on occasion. I wear baggy clothes as a general rule to hide my BIG HUGE ASS!!!!! Which I hope to god never is revealed to any of you. :) You might sit there in your "perfect" outfit, your "raving gear" whatever. But just remember this: for every person you're staring at saying "they're stupid to wear that," there's someone staring at you thinking the same damn thing. If you don't like what someone's wearing, TOUGH FUCKING SHIT. Chances are there's someone who hates what you're wearing as well. There is no right way to dress at a party. There is no wrong way (ok, naked may be taking it a bit far). There is no dress code at parties, and thank god for that! If people wanna walk around in little tightass skirts, so be it, it's their perogative. If people wanna walk around in pants so big they fall down without a belt, well that's me, and it's comfortable. And hides your ass. So be it. if people wanna wear fuzzy pants and glitter, so be it. Let them alone. The way people dress is the way tehy will be. If kids wanna conform and be label whores, let them. It's THEIR money they're wasting, not YOURS. It's called freedom of expression, or freedom to waive your right to expression and wear what everyone else is wearing. The least of your worries should be waht other people are wearing at parties. If kids like Tommy Hilfiger, let them wear it. If kids like fuzzy pants, let them wear it. ahh repetition, i love it, don't you? Just listen to this> DO NOT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER. Not all Tommy-kids are bunk-E-Dealing assholes, I know a shitload of wonderful Tommy/Polo-kidz with mad respekt to the scene and positive energy. that have, by the way, TOTALLY contributed positively to the scene. Not all Candy-kids are shallow twits who OD on drugs, i knowplenty of them as well with positive energy and all that fun stuff too. WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS. There are twits who wear plain old clothes they'd wear to school every day. There are bunk-E-dealing assholes who wear torn jeans and a shirt. There's no right to categorize people by the way they dress, and there's no room for petty bullshit like this in our scene. We should be focusing on REAL issues if anything, such as WHY ARE OUR KIDS OVERDOSING? and LET'S GET MORE JUNGLE OUT HERE FROM THE UK (hehe)... ya dig? ... xo lara From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 08:52:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10932 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 08:52:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 10923 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 08:52:48 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 08:52:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA25205 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:53:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: hip-hop (nrr? who knoze) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Moshe's totally fucking right. To dis hip-hop is to dis the basis of techno. Do you understand how much influence hip-hop has had on our scene? Apparently not. Go brush up on your reading. I have mad respect to the hip-hop scene, and without it where'd our scene be today? There'd be... Pretty much... Nothing! Shit, would jungle even exist? All I know is that when I heard hip-hop at Halloween Tribal Massive, well I was skeptica, but yanno, if I had felt more functional that night I would have spent quite some time in there because sometimes it's nice to chill to some nice beats and rhymes and shit, you can do so much SCRATCHING with hip-hop it's insane!! I mean come on. It's not for everyone I agree, but don't dis something that's done wonders for your scene. ya dig?? prolly not, but i don't care. xo lara From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 08:53:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11464 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 08:53:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 11455 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 08:53:41 -0000 Received: from f59.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.145) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 08:53:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 4375 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 08:53:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107085313.4374.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.39 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 00:53:13 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.39] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Wonder? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 00:53:13 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey all you party people, ravers, dancers, drugies, smokers, alcoholics, gymnasts, tight-rope walkers, lawyers, doctors, computer nerds ( myself included), weirdo's, and of course, you cant forget the smurfs.... so whos all going to wonder??? its umm next friday i believe.. not his one, but next... Some really kool peoples, Ian, kelly, and Nicole came over and brought me my ticket :) this is going to a phat chill as partE hope to see somes of you there.... bye Philip disordr p.s. sorry Kelly, Nicole, Ian.. if I was boring you with computer stuff tonight :) I sometimes get too excited about Linux :) SolR know what im talking about ;) peace From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 09:00:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12243 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 09:00:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 12233 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 09:00:02 -0000 Received: from f12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 09:00:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 898 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 08:59:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107085934.897.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.39 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 00:59:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.39] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, lara@vibe.org Subject: Re: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 00:59:33 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I agree........ we need more Jungle :) Peace philly disordr > >Ravers are all types of people. >Read stereotypes below (not my opinionz). > > Yanno what I really hate? Those kids who wear Polo Sport at >parties. I mean who the fuck do they think they are? They spend all this >money on these clothes that don't look any better than something that >comes from Ross or Mervyn's, and it's like a status symbol. TOTAL label >WHORES! I hate it! What are they trying to prove? Isn't it stupid?? > >*** what a label WHORE might say: HEY I like Polo sport, Tommy, Nautica, >whatever. I dress in Polo >tbecause I have the money to spend on the clothes, and I like looking >good, I like feeling good about myself. Polo Sport has some really TIGHT >ASS looking clothes, that look good on me, so why not? I have the extra >cash and I just like the label. I'm not trying to prove anytthing by >wearing it. So what if it's popular. tons of raver kids wear jnco's but >think nothing of it. Polo Sport may not be a rave-clothing line, and alot >of kids wear it, but alot of kids wear it becaus it's a quality line of >clothing. I'm choosing to wear what i want, what's so wrong with that? > > Yanno what I really hate? Those Candy-raver-type kidthings. I mean >come on, are they pedophiles or what? It's all a contest to see who's the >cutest! They're totally missing the whole point of raving and dressing up >like little kids, prancing around embarrasing themselves!!! they >should grow up! SOOOO >IMMATURE~! FREAKS!!! > >*** what a candyRAVER might say: Hey, I think dressing up like this is >HELLA FUN! You don't get to dress >like this everyday, so why not? it makes me feel like an individual and >unique, and hey, i love the colors of teh rainbow, they're beautiful and >not put to use enough in the world. i like creating new outfits for each >party, it gives me something to do and the chance to utilize my talent and >creativity! i feel i look cute, yes, and that's how i want to look! why >should i dress in jeans and a shirt when i can look as neat as this! it's >totally not about status, it's all about making myself feel good about >myself. what's so wrong with that? > >now here are MY two cents on the whole topic (DISCLAIMER: anything written >before this last sentence has been a portrayl of stereotypes, and merely a >display of different views, to make the below point) > > Yanno what I really hate? How we (yes, I include myself here >because we are ALl at fault at one point in our life) assume that there is >ONE type of raver, and that one type is right. As if there's a RAVER >uniform (and this applies to all other PEOPLE too, not just ravers). To be >honest, I have Polo Sport shirts that a friend gave me, and I wear them >all the time now. I don't think "HEY this makes me cool," if anything, I >think "hey, I look good in this, it's fuckin COMFORTABLE, it's FLY, I like >it." I DO like it/ It's my style. I own Jnco's. I wear candybracelets on >occasion. I wear baggy clothes as a general rule to hide my BIG HUGE >ASS!!!!! Which I hope to god never is revealed to any of you. :) > You might sit there in your "perfect" outfit, your "raving gear" >whatever. But just remember this: for every person you're staring at >saying "they're stupid to wear that," there's someone staring at you >thinking the same damn thing. If you don't like what someone's wearing, >TOUGH FUCKING SHIT. Chances are there's someone who hates what you're >wearing as well. >There is no right way to dress at a party. There is no wrong way (ok, >naked may be taking it a bit far). There is no dress code at parties, and >thank god for that! If people wanna walk around in little tightass skirts, >so be it, it's their perogative. If people wanna walk around in pants so >big they fall down without a belt, well that's me, and it's comfortable. >And hides your ass. So be it. if people wanna wear fuzzy pants and >glitter, so be it. Let them >alone. The way people dress is the way tehy will be. If kids wanna conform >and be label whores, let them. It's THEIR money they're wasting, not >YOURS. It's called freedom of expression, or freedom to waive your right >to expression and wear what everyone else is wearing. The least of your >worries should be waht other people are wearing at parties. > If kids like Tommy Hilfiger, let them wear it. If kids like fuzzy >pants, let them wear it. ahh repetition, i love it, don't you? Just listen >to this> > DO NOT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER. Not all Tommy-kids are >bunk-E-Dealing assholes, I know a shitload of wonderful >Tommy/Polo-kidz >with mad respekt to the scene and positive energy. that have, by the way, >TOTALLY contributed positively to the scene. Not all Candy-kids are >shallow twits who OD on drugs, i knowplenty of them as well with positive >energy and all that fun stuff too. >WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS. There are twits who wear plain old clothes they'd >wear to school every day. There are bunk-E-dealing assholes who wear torn >jeans and a shirt. There's no right to categorize people by the way they >dress, and there's no room for petty bullshit like this in our scene. We >should be focusing on REAL issues if anything, such as WHY ARE OUR KIDS >OVERDOSING? and LET'S GET MORE JUNGLE OUT HERE FROM THE UK (hehe)... >ya dig? > >... >xo >lara > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 13:22:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1022 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 13:22:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 1013 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 13:22:43 -0000 Received: from mrin45.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin45.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.155) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 13:22:43 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA15132 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:22:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:22:09 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971107082208_1902878022@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: TeKnODiVa@aol.com, SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: NRR:quit smoking? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/6/97 10:10:35 PM, you wrote: << I still never put a cigarette to my lips, and It seems to be the thing I have the most self control over. I just hope I never have to go through the process of quitting, >> hooray!!! =) i've never smoked a cig either and from the sounds of it, i don't think i wanto start! but hey..i Ain't no angel Either =) natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 15:26:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26524 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 15:26:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 26511 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 15:26:14 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 15:26:14 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xTqIR-0006kI-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:26:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:26:12 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: Wanna troubleshoot WANs? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi guys. My department is hiring another Technical Support rep for troubleshooting routers/terminal adapters so I thought I'd ask some of you beautiful people if you're interested... Do you have a basic understanding of TCP/IP and want to learn more? Are you facinated by the Internet and want to learn how it all works?? Do you want to start a career that has unlimited growth potential and pays well?? :) You'd be troubleshooting our Routers(ISDN/T1/DDS) and Terminal Adapter (ISDN) over the telephone and through e-mail. 5 - 5 1/2 hours of phone time and the rest of your time you can basically do whatever you want. It's a TOTALLY chill place. They let me do whatever I want. I have toys everywhere, newspaper clippings, flyers for parties, pictures, music playing, etc. It's a great place to learn a lot and work around a lot of really cool intelligent people. If you're interested e-mail me privately and I'll answer any questions you might have..... this is a great opportunity. And the best part.... YOU GET TO WORK WITH ME! Haha.... Happy Friday everyone! Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 16:25:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10022 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 16:25:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 10012 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 16:25:04 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 16:25:04 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02403 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:24:07 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n2-53.napanet.net [157.22.193.53]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA30171 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:21:47 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971107082149.006861d0@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:21:49 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi Butterfield Subject: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This is so true in every "trend" there's always the newbie that dresses "wrong", or the "poseur" that is only there because "it's in" or whatever. I think that if everyone follows this type of advice, things will be much better in the world. Now we just have to do something about those authorities... >Ravers are all types of people. >Read stereotypes below (not my opinionz). > > Yanno what I really hate? Those kids who wear Polo Sport at >parties. I mean who the fuck do they think they are? They spend all this >money on these clothes that don't look any better than something that >comes from Ross or Mervyn's, and it's like a status symbol. TOTAL label >WHORES! I hate it! What are they trying to prove? Isn't it stupid?? > >*** what a label WHORE might say: HEY I like Polo sport, Tommy, Nautica, >whatever. I dress in Polo >tbecause I have the money to spend on the clothes, and I like looking >good, I like feeling good about myself. Polo Sport has some really TIGHT >ASS looking clothes, that look good on me, so why not? I have the extra >cash and I just like the label. I'm not trying to prove anytthing by >wearing it. So what if it's popular. tons of raver kids wear jnco's but >think nothing of it. Polo Sport may not be a rave-clothing line, and alot >of kids wear it, but alot of kids wear it becaus it's a quality line of >clothing. I'm choosing to wear what i want, what's so wrong with that? > > Yanno what I really hate? Those Candy-raver-type kidthings. I mean >come on, are they pedophiles or what? It's all a contest to see who's the >cutest! They're totally missing the whole point of raving and dressing up >like little kids, prancing around embarrasing themselves!!! they >should grow up! SOOOO >IMMATURE~! FREAKS!!! > >*** what a candyRAVER might say: Hey, I think dressing up like this is >HELLA FUN! You don't get to dress >like this everyday, so why not? it makes me feel like an individual and >unique, and hey, i love the colors of teh rainbow, they're beautiful and >not put to use enough in the world. i like creating new outfits for each >party, it gives me something to do and the chance to utilize my talent and >creativity! i feel i look cute, yes, and that's how i want to look! why >should i dress in jeans and a shirt when i can look as neat as this! it's >totally not about status, it's all about making myself feel good about >myself. what's so wrong with that? > >now here are MY two cents on the whole topic (DISCLAIMER: anything written >before this last sentence has been a portrayl of stereotypes, and merely a >display of different views, to make the below point) > > Yanno what I really hate? How we (yes, I include myself here >because we are ALl at fault at one point in our life) assume that there is >ONE type of raver, and that one type is right. As if there's a RAVER >uniform (and this applies to all other PEOPLE too, not just ravers). To be >honest, I have Polo Sport shirts that a friend gave me, and I wear them >all the time now. I don't think "HEY this makes me cool," if anything, I >think "hey, I look good in this, it's fuckin COMFORTABLE, it's FLY, I like >it." I DO like it/ It's my style. I own Jnco's. I wear candybracelets on >occasion. I wear baggy clothes as a general rule to hide my BIG HUGE >ASS!!!!! Which I hope to god never is revealed to any of you. :) > You might sit there in your "perfect" outfit, your "raving gear" >whatever. But just remember this: for every person you're staring at >saying "they're stupid to wear that," there's someone staring at you >thinking the same damn thing. If you don't like what someone's wearing, >TOUGH FUCKING SHIT. Chances are there's someone who hates what you're >wearing as well. >There is no right way to dress at a party. There is no wrong way (ok, >naked may be taking it a bit far). There is no dress code at parties, and >thank god for that! If people wanna walk around in little tightass skirts, >so be it, it's their perogative. If people wanna walk around in pants so >big they fall down without a belt, well that's me, and it's comfortable. >And hides your ass. So be it. if people wanna wear fuzzy pants and >glitter, so be it. Let them >alone. The way people dress is the way tehy will be. If kids wanna conform >and be label whores, let them. It's THEIR money they're wasting, not >YOURS. It's called freedom of expression, or freedom to waive your right >to expression and wear what everyone else is wearing. The least of your >worries should be waht other people are wearing at parties. > If kids like Tommy Hilfiger, let them wear it. If kids like fuzzy >pants, let them wear it. ahh repetition, i love it, don't you? Just listen >to this> > DO NOT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER. Not all Tommy-kids are >bunk-E-Dealing assholes, I know a shitload of wonderful >Tommy/Polo-kidz >with mad respekt to the scene and positive energy. that have, by the way, >TOTALLY contributed positively to the scene. Not all Candy-kids are >shallow twits who OD on drugs, i knowplenty of them as well with positive >energy and all that fun stuff too. >WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS. There are twits who wear plain old clothes they'd >wear to school every day. There are bunk-E-dealing assholes who wear torn >jeans and a shirt. There's no right to categorize people by the way they >dress, and there's no room for petty bullshit like this in our scene. We >should be focusing on REAL issues if anything, such as WHY ARE OUR KIDS >OVERDOSING? and LET'S GET MORE JUNGLE OUT HERE FROM THE UK (hehe)... >ya dig? > >... >xo >lara > > .Get rid of that, Goddamn machine - PJ Harvey. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 16:41:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12694 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 16:41:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 12683 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 16:41:20 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 16:41:20 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26509 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA02417; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:35:15 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:43:37 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: where did the magic go? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > bobbin' their heads to hip hop music, something isn't >right in my idea of a rave it's called dancing. try it sometime. kind of makes ya feel nice. Sometimes you'll find it's the only thing we have in common. Talking with our bodies when words don't work. Now, that's magic. b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 17:16:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23967 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:16:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 23958 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:16:15 -0000 Received: from liberty4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.7) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:16:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 16198 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 17:15:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107171547.16197.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:15:46 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (srr) what i KNOW about ***-type ravers.. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 17:15:46 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk So what if it's popular. tons of raver kids wear jnco's but >think nothing of it. That is strictly due to the "I don't care about my ass syndrome" I know the feeling. >clothing. I'm choosing to wear what i want, what's so wrong with that? Sometimes I partake in dressing as an elephant or a leopard because I like to look like those particular animals, and yes some people do hate that I wear these outfits, but if it were their problem, then I'd try to help. It isn't a problem. are they pedophiles or what? It's all a contest to see who's the >cutest! -Now this is where I get mad, if you are a pedophile, then act like one!! But pedophiles aren't people that dress like little kids, they are people who GET OFF on dressing little kids. Sick... > > >HELLA FUN! You don't get to dress >like this everyday, so why not? I agree, it is fun, and who's to say how much fun you should/shouldn't have? I don't dress candied out, but I usually dress in something polyesterish and it gets really hot. Any stereotypes about us polyester freaks? >i feel i look cute, -Always, a definite must :) >assume that there is >ONE type of raver, and that one type is right. As if there's a RAVER Agree, There is only one type of raver, and that is yourself, because you are the only person that should worry about. >I wear baggy clothes as a general rule to hide my BIG HUGE >ASS!!!!! Again, I know the problem. It is growing with the age of the fat caucasions, and yes, I am one (well the butt, anyways) >whatever. But just remember this: for every person you're staring at >saying "they're stupid to wear that," there's someone staring at you >thinking the same damn thing. If you don't like what someone's wearing, I think that anyone that says anything about the way a person dresses should be committed to the loonie bin, unless if I wore my black thong underwear to a party and nothing else, then you can have me committed. >TOUGH FUCKING SHIT. Yes, very tough. >If people wanna walk around in little tightass skirts, -I've definitly thought about it, but then again, there is the butt problem >And hides your ass. -okay, now you are starting to make me depressed :( >DO NOT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER. -Books are one thing that I do judge by the cover, with ravers, I have to meet them first and see if they are willing to dress like an elephant, with big huge pants to hide their asses with a couple of bracelets, some candy, a girlfriend, that claims that they are in love and if they dance, then I will make my presumption. Alll pedophiles, YOU STAY HOME!!! we don't like old men fondling at our private areas without our permission :P >WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS. - ding, ding ding, $$$$$$$$$ >There are twits who wear plain old clothes they'd >wear to school every day. -I wouldn't go so far as to calling me a Tit, I mean a Twit >bullshit -is and always will be tough shit, nothing to play with, poor cows. What if it were madcow bullshit, eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww!!! >xo >lara > > Bye Lara and others bAByHueY P.S. What do they say about peole who have dreams every night about a Slinky? o o o o0 o0 0 O o From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 17:28:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28016 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:28:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 28007 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:28:09 -0000 Received: from f23.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.34) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:28:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 14682 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 17:27:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107172742.14680.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:27:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: Ooohhhh baby! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 17:27:42 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey everyone, this is pretty entertainning, If you're bored on this lovely Friday, check this out. http://www.nwlink.com/~xott/baby.htm From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 17:31:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28796 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:31:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 28785 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:31:17 -0000 Received: from release.gwainc.com (206.184.217.65) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:31:17 -0000 Received: by release.gwainc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEB60.567AFDE0@release.gwainc.com>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:34:25 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Neves, Kathleen" To: 'SF Raves' Subject: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:34:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I am really ashamed of whoever originated this post and to those whom are responding in support of it. Have you all forgot the true essence of our scene's existence? I thought all of our scene was built around the LOVE AND RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER as well as the music. Who cares if someone wears Polo or Jnco. If what someone is wearing is such a big issue, then I think you have lost the whole point of this entire culture. And then this morning, I see these postings of put down on what other fellow ravers wear? That is ridiculous. I can't believe this garbage has seen the light of day on this list. Shame on you. Disgusted With a Huge Sad Face, Kathleen Neves From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 17:37:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 402 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:37:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 393 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:37:22 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:37:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107173529.28282.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by attach1; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:35:29 PST Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:35:29 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: NRR: Ooohhhh baby! To: bABy HueY , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Danny Too classic I have techno baby running on a very large system here at SGI with 21" dual head monitors and he really boogies on this machine. Great site. LL ---bABy HueY wrote: > > hey everyone, this is pretty entertainning, > > > If you're bored on this lovely Friday, check this out. > > http://www.nwlink.com/~xott/baby.htm > > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 17:42:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2038 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:42:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 2029 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:42:10 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:42:10 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.64] ([38.248.198.64] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01679 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:37:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3462880C.53F8@pacbell.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:42:21 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk gotta say i'm with B.A. on this one.... (though this is a pretty mild example) and this is *not* to try to repress the creative expression of people... but it's rather to give people some insight into how the readers of their post perceive that they are seeing... sometimes i try to read messages on sfraves where instead of english, there's a phonetic version of baby talk .... you know, like .... "i wuv u kidz nstuff".... or phonetic versions of words that don't really easily translate, like "kewl" for "cool" ... and my head begins to pound, because as much as i support creative writing and individualized forms of communication... trying to wade through this kind of semi-gibberish requires constant translation into actual English... (and is accompanied by odd visual images of the writer actually speaking these words in that way, which can be rather frightening!) it's not that i don't want to know what people think ... and it's not that i don't completely adore many of the people on this list who choose to communicate this way... it's just that it would be oh-so-lovely to actually be able to read their words and have them be understandable without doing linguistic gymnastics to translate... because what usually happens is that i give up because i just don't have the time to figure out what they're saying ... and that means, in the end, that they didn't communicate to me at all.... and, after all, isn't communicating well all about learning to phrase your message in a way that the *listener* can understand? love, leslie p.s. another thing that makes my head hurt -- and therefore keeps me from reading the posts -- is when people write run-on sentences and never use paragraph breaks... resulting in massive 50-line paragraphs... i can't wade through that, so i end up skipping it entirely... i'm sure i miss some great thoughts, but i just don't have the time or patience to read the unreadable. Hitting the return key a couple of times between thoughts can work wonders. >blkadder@value.net wrote: >> >> On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, SB PRiNce wrote: >> >> > hey whats up? >> > >> > since all u out there r like clubers or ravers >> > or soemthing close to that, tell me what u think >> > of my site please, and give me some indies info >> > cuz i expect u all to be at least 21 and im not >> > yet, not for a while : >> >> Can someone please explain to me what language this person is speaking? It >> looks like some bastardized version of English, or maybe a piece of >> foreign language translation software gone arwy, but I am not sure. >> >> Black Adder > >yeah i know what you mean ...these people that are not like everybody >else and do things differently are so irratating...makes me >want to bang my head on my computer desk.... > >ok sorry i blew up like that...I'll go take a walk and chill out now. > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > > think differently From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 17:43:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2644 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 2628 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:43:15 -0000 Received: from palrel1.hp.com (156.153.255.235) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:43:15 -0000 Received: from hpchs.cup.hp.com (hpchs.cup.hp.com [15.13.122.157]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id JAA23017 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from max@localhost) by hpchs.cup.hp.com (8.7.1/8.7.3 TIS Messaging 5.0) id JAA16387; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:40:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19971107094057.50163@hpchs.cup.hp.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:40:58 -0800 From: "..max.." To: "'SF Raves'" Subject: Re: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Neves, Kathleen on Fri, Nov 07, 1997 at 09:34:24AM -0800 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 07, Neves, Kathleen wrote: >I am really ashamed of whoever originated this post and to those whom >are responding in support of it. Have you all forgot the true essence >of our scene's existence? Peace Kathleen - I think you misunderstood the post. The longer a post is, and the more irony it contains, the more likely it will be mis-read. So it goes. Apart from which, the poster was lara - a clearly demonstrated fabulous human bein'! ..max.. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 17:45:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3907 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:45:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 3893 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:45:51 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:45:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107174014.18914.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web1; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:40:14 PST Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:40:14 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. To: "Neves, Kathleen" , 'SF Raves' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'll second that I am a big person so there are only certain things I can wear, I have no choice. Its truly ridiculous that you give two shits about what people wear. Lets get past this folks, can we? P.S. Candy ravers are the bomb you kids go. My girlfriend is 28 and still dresses like a candy raver sometimes. 8) LL ---"Neves, Kathleen" wrote: > > I am really ashamed of whoever originated this post and to those whom > are responding in support of it. Have you all forgot the true essence > of our scene's existence? > > I thought all of our scene was built around the LOVE AND RESPECT FOR > EACH OTHER as well as the music. Who cares if someone wears Polo or > Jnco. If what someone is wearing is such a big issue, then I think you > have lost the whole point of this entire culture. > > And then this morning, I see these postings of put down on what other > fellow ravers wear? That is ridiculous. I can't believe this garbage > has seen the light of day on this list. Shame on you. > > Disgusted With a Huge Sad Face, > Kathleen Neves > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 17:47:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4567 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:47:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 4551 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:47:32 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:47:32 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29175; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03038; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:41:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:49:26 -0800 To: "Neves, Kathleen" From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >I am really ashamed of whoever originated this post and to those whom >are responding in support of it. Have you all forgot the true essence >of our scene's existence? > >I thought all of our scene was built around the LOVE AND RESPECT FOR >EACH OTHER as well as the music. Who cares if someone wears Polo or >Jnco. If what someone is wearing is such a big issue, then I think you >have lost the whole point of this entire culture. > >And then this morning, I see these postings of put down on what other >fellow ravers wear? That is ridiculous. I can't believe this garbage >has seen the light of day on this list. Shame on you. > >Disgusted With a Huge Sad Face, >Kathleen Neves One word Two syllables Sounds like flat tire. (did you read the whole post, or just give up when it ticked you off?) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 17:54:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6646 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:54:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 6635 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:54:34 -0000 Received: from f110.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.229) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:54:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 20442 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 17:54:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107175402.20441.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:54:01 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 17:54:01 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You go girl (Pete) you gotta love all this stuff :P I wonder if anyone else just sits at his computer laughing and being purely entertained by the sfr list. It's funny :) bAByHueY *and his constant state of laughter* >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 7 09:47:39 1997 >Received: (qmail 4567 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:47:34 -0000 >Received: (qmail 4551 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:47:32 -0000 >Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:47:32 -0000 >Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29175; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:56:46 -0800 (PST) >Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) > id JAA03038; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:41:10 -0800 >Message-Id: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:49:26 -0800 >To: "Neves, Kathleen" >From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) >Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >>I am really ashamed of whoever originated this post and to those whom >>are responding in support of it. Have you all forgot the true essence >>of our scene's existence? >> >>I thought all of our scene was built around the LOVE AND RESPECT FOR >>EACH OTHER as well as the music. Who cares if someone wears Polo or >>Jnco. If what someone is wearing is such a big issue, then I think you >>have lost the whole point of this entire culture. >> >>And then this morning, I see these postings of put down on what other >>fellow ravers wear? That is ridiculous. I can't believe this garbage >>has seen the light of day on this list. Shame on you. >> >>Disgusted With a Huge Sad Face, >>Kathleen Neves > > >One word >Two syllables > >Sounds like flat tire. > >(did you read the whole post, or just give up when it ticked you off?) > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 17:59:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9770 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:59:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 9761 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:59:35 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:59:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107175721.23114.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web4; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:57:21 PST Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:57:21 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. To: bABy HueY , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey Danny, Remember we all see things differently, instead of laughing at her maybe say hey this is what I was really saying maybe you didn't understand where I was coming from. If you read through your post its easy to see where it could have been mis-construed. Layne ---bABy HueY wrote: > > You go girl (Pete) you gotta love all this stuff :P > I wonder if anyone else just sits at his computer laughing and being > purely entertained by the sfr list. It's funny :) > bAByHueY *and his constant state of laughter* > > >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 7 > 09:47:39 1997 > >Received: (qmail 4567 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 17:47:34 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 4551 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 17:47:32 -0000 > >Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) > > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 17:47:32 -0000 > >Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net > (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29175; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:56:46 -0800 > (PST) > >Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) > > id JAA03038; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:41:10 -0800 > >Message-Id: > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:49:26 -0800 > >To: "Neves, Kathleen" > >From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) > >Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. > >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org > >Precedence: bulk > > > >>I am really ashamed of whoever originated this post and to those whom > >>are responding in support of it. Have you all forgot the true essence > >>of our scene's existence? > >> > >>I thought all of our scene was built around the LOVE AND RESPECT FOR > >>EACH OTHER as well as the music. Who cares if someone wears Polo or > >>Jnco. If what someone is wearing is such a big issue, then I think you > >>have lost the whole point of this entire culture. > >> > >>And then this morning, I see these postings of put down on what other > >>fellow ravers wear? That is ridiculous. I can't believe this garbage > >>has seen the light of day on this list. Shame on you. > >> > >>Disgusted With a Huge Sad Face, > >>Kathleen Neves > > > > > >One word > >Two syllables > > > >Sounds like flat tire. > > > >(did you read the whole post, or just give up when it ticked you off?) > > > > > > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:07:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14659 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:07:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 14650 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:07:26 -0000 Received: from f84.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.190) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:07:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 7782 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 18:06:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107180658.7781.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:06:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 18:06:57 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk My intention wasn't to make her feel bad at all. I was thinking how a lot of this stuff on the list is like a soap opera. I should have said that though :) >From lucke@rocketmail.com Fri Nov 7 09:59:34 1997 >Message-ID: <19971107175721.23114.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> >Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web4; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:57:21 PST >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:57:21 -0800 (PST) >From: Layne Loomis >Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. >To: bABy HueY , sfraves@hyperreal.org >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Hey Danny, > >Remember we all see things differently, instead of >laughing at her maybe say hey this is what I was really >saying maybe you didn't understand where I was coming >from. If you read through your post its easy to see >where it could have been mis-construed. > >Layne > > > > >---bABy HueY wrote: >> >> You go girl (Pete) you gotta love all this stuff :P >> I wonder if anyone else just sits at his computer >laughing and being >> purely entertained by the sfr list. It's funny :) >> bAByHueY *and his constant state of laughter* >> >> >From >sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Fri >Nov 7 >> 09:47:39 1997 >> >Received: (qmail 4567 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov >1997 17:47:34 -0000 >> >Received: (qmail 4551 invoked from network); 7 Nov >1997 17:47:32 -0000 >> >Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO >mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) >> > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 >17:47:32 -0000 >> >Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by >mail.zocalo.net >> (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29175; Fri, 7 Nov >1997 09:56:46 -0800 >> (PST) >> >Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com >(SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) >> > id JAA03038; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:41:10 -0800 >> >Message-Id: >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:49:26 -0800 >> >To: "Neves, Kathleen" >> >From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) >> >Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about >***-type ravers.. >> >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >> >Precedence: bulk >> > >> >>I am really ashamed of whoever originated this >post and to those whom >> >>are responding in support of it. Have you all >forgot the true essence >> >>of our scene's existence? >> >> >> >>I thought all of our scene was built around the >LOVE AND RESPECT FOR >> >>EACH OTHER as well as the music. Who cares if >someone wears Polo or >> >>Jnco. If what someone is wearing is such a big >issue, then I think you >> >>have lost the whole point of this entire culture. >> >> >> >>And then this morning, I see these postings of >put down on what other >> >>fellow ravers wear? That is ridiculous. I can't >believe this garbage >> >>has seen the light of day on this list. Shame on >you. >> >> >> >>Disgusted With a Huge Sad Face, >> >>Kathleen Neves >> > >> > >> >One word >> >Two syllables >> > >> >Sounds like flat tire. >> > >> >(did you read the whole post, or just give up when >it ticked you off?) >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________________________ >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:08:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15778 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:08:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 15769 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:08:28 -0000 Received: from ws100.eisinet.com (HELO eisinet.com) (206.159.237.101) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:08:28 -0000 Received: from EISIHQ-Message_Server by eisinet.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:08:58 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:08:24 -0800 From: Veann Cao To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, acrostic@napanet.net Subject: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. -Reply Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk oh blah! just wear clothes that you can sweat balls in if i could, i'd prolly go nekkid =) whose with me?!?!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:19:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17390 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:19:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16961 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:12:30 -0000 Received: from italy-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO italy.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:12:30 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (1Cust38.tnt13.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.36.38]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08907 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:12:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34635D98.58A5@earthlink.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:27:36 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: MY way to meet y'all! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay... I've been trying to figure out a way to meet you guys. I've tried to set up meeting spots @ parties. I've tried to e some of you & get you to meet me @ parties. I've even offered rides to y'all. I'M AN OLD LADY PEOPLE! My bod ain't what it used to be and my arthritis is actin' up. Is the only way I can get you to participate in getting to know each other by ordering you all to make some food, bring it to my house and SOCIALIZE DAG NABBIT!?!?! I bet I could even get some benevolent DJs to spin a few and liven the place up a bit you (I'm assuming y'all are as old & tired as I am and that's why you're so stubborn & obstinate!) Bah! An SFRaves Potluck of sorts. The SFRaves Senior Citizen Potluck & Mixer (those who are as old as I will know what a mixer is. I guess it'll have a double meaning) Oh farrr crrryin' outloud! I'm a chef. I'll even get up off my arse and prepare a thing or 2. I even have a nice new house to host-ess it in. After-all, a nice jewish mutha can only do so much for her kids. Is anybody down? -TRACY aurora8@earthlink.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:21:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19245 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:21:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 19225 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:21:47 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:21:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107182348.1629.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web2; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:23:48 PST Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:23:48 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! To: Aurora8 , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This sounds like a great idea. Who else is down? LL ---Aurora8 wrote: > > Okay... I've been trying to figure out a way to meet you guys. I've > tried to set up meeting spots @ parties. I've tried to e some of you & > get you to meet me @ parties. I've even offered rides to y'all. I'M AN > OLD LADY PEOPLE! My bod ain't what it used to be and my arthritis is > actin' up. Is the only way I can get you to participate in getting to > know each other by ordering you all to make some food, bring it to my > house and SOCIALIZE DAG NABBIT!?!?! I bet I could even get some > benevolent DJs to spin a few and liven the place up a bit you (I'm > assuming y'all are as old & tired as I am and that's why you're so > stubborn & obstinate!) Bah! > An SFRaves Potluck of sorts. The SFRaves Senior Citizen Potluck & > Mixer (those who are as old as I will know what a mixer is. I guess > it'll have a double meaning) Oh farrr crrryin' outloud! I'm a chef. I'll > even get up off my arse and prepare a thing or 2. I even have a nice new > house to host-ess it in. After-all, a nice jewish mutha can only do so > much for her kids. > Is anybody down? > -TRACY > aurora8@earthlink.net > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:26:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20150 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:26:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 20140 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:26:12 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:26:12 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00820; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03426; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:20:01 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:28:20 -0800 To: Leslie Ayres From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk mebbe we oughta jack a gubmint grant for ravebonics nshtuff. use da loot ta score some bombass E dood! Dat'd be dope! And shtuff. lates, -boom >gotta say i'm with B.A. on this one.... (though this is a pretty mild example) > >and this is *not* to try to repress the creative expression of people... >but it's rather to give people some insight into how the readers of their >post perceive that they are seeing... > >sometimes i try to read messages on sfraves where instead of english, >there's a phonetic version of baby talk .... you know, like .... "i wuv u >kidz nstuff".... or phonetic versions of words that don't really easily >translate, like "kewl" for "cool" ... > >and my head begins to pound, because as much as i support creative writing >and individualized forms of communication... trying to wade through this >kind of semi-gibberish requires constant translation into actual English... >(and is accompanied by odd visual images of the writer actually speaking >these words in that way, which can be rather frightening!) > >it's not that i don't want to know what people think ... and it's not that >i don't completely adore many of the people on this list who choose to >communicate this way... > >it's just that it would be oh-so-lovely to actually be able to read their >words and have them be understandable without doing linguistic gymnastics >to translate... > >because what usually happens is that i give up because i just don't have >the time to figure out what they're saying ... and that means, in the end, >that they didn't communicate to me at all.... > >and, after all, isn't communicating well all about learning to phrase your >message in a way that the *listener* can understand? > >love, leslie > > >p.s. another thing that makes my head hurt -- and therefore keeps me from >reading the posts -- is when people write run-on sentences and never use >paragraph breaks... resulting in massive 50-line paragraphs... i can't >wade through that, so i end up skipping it entirely... i'm sure i miss >some great thoughts, but i just don't have the time or patience to read the >unreadable. Hitting the return key a couple of times between thoughts can >work wonders. > >>blkadder@value.net wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, SB PRiNce wrote: >>> >>> > hey whats up? >>> > >>> > since all u out there r like clubers or ravers >>> > or soemthing close to that, tell me what u think >>> > of my site please, and give me some indies info >>> > cuz i expect u all to be at least 21 and im not >>> > yet, not for a while : >>> >>> Can someone please explain to me what language this person is speaking? It >>> looks like some bastardized version of English, or maybe a piece of >>> foreign language translation software gone arwy, but I am not sure. >>> >>> Black Adder >> >>yeah i know what you mean ...these people that are not like everybody >>else and do things differently are so irratating...makes me >>want to bang my head on my computer desk.... >> >>ok sorry i blew up like that...I'll go take a walk and chill out now. >> >> ><{{{"> <"}}}>< >> >> foolish fish >> >> think differently From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:33:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22031 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:33:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 22016 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:33:09 -0000 Received: from puertopollo.lucasarts.com (firewall-user@204.71.70.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:33:09 -0000 Received: by puertopollo.lucasarts.com; id KAA05859; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:26:05 -0800 Received: from fandango.lucasarts.com(144.0.100.82) by puertopollo.lucasarts.com via smap (3.2) id xma005852; Fri, 7 Nov 97 10:25:56 -0800 Received: from tanis.lucaslearning.com (tanis [144.0.230.20]) by fandango.lucasarts.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19088 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by tanis.lucaslearning.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:31:37 -0800 Message-ID: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211ACDE7@tanis.lucaslearning.com> From: Josh Damon Williams To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, "'Aurora8'" Subject: RE: MY way to meet y'all! Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:31:36 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk sure. day and time? > ---------- > From: Aurora8 > Sent: Friday, November 7, 1997 11:27 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: MY way to meet y'all! > > Okay... I've been trying to figure out a way to meet you guys. I've > tried to set up meeting spots @ parties. I've tried to e some of you & > > get you to meet me @ parties. I've even offered rides to y'all. I'M AN > > OLD LADY PEOPLE! My bod ain't what it used to be and my arthritis is > actin' up. Is the only way I can get you to participate in getting to > know each other by ordering you all to make some food, bring it to my > house and SOCIALIZE DAG NABBIT!?!?! I bet I could even get some > benevolent DJs to spin a few and liven the place up a bit you (I'm > assuming y'all are as old & tired as I am and that's why you're so > stubborn & obstinate!) Bah! > An SFRaves Potluck of sorts. The SFRaves Senior Citizen Potluck & > Mixer (those who are as old as I will know what a mixer is. I guess > it'll have a double meaning) Oh farrr crrryin' outloud! I'm a chef. > I'll > even get up off my arse and prepare a thing or 2. I even have a nice > new > house to host-ess it in. After-all, a nice jewish mutha can only do so > > much for her kids. > Is anybody down? > -TRACY > aurora8@earthlink.net > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:37:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24884 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:37:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 24867 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:37:47 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:37:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107183951.5418.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.160] by web2; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:39:51 PST Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:39:51 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! To: Layne Loomis , Aurora8 , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Give me a date & time... and i'll be there...and oh yeah location... lovejeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---Layne Loomis wrote: > > This sounds like a great idea. Who else is down? > > LL > > > > > ---Aurora8 wrote: > > > > Okay... I've been trying to figure out a way to > meet you guys. I've > > tried to set up meeting spots @ parties. I've tried > to e some of you & > > get you to meet me @ parties. I've even offered > rides to y'all. I'M AN > > OLD LADY PEOPLE! My bod ain't what it used to be > and my arthritis is > > actin' up. Is the only way I can get you to > participate in getting to > > know each other by ordering you all to make some > food, bring it to my > > house and SOCIALIZE DAG NABBIT!?!?! I bet I could > even get some > > benevolent DJs to spin a few and liven the place up > a bit you (I'm > > assuming y'all are as old & tired as I am and > that's why you're so > > stubborn & obstinate!) Bah! > > An SFRaves Potluck of sorts. The SFRaves Senior > Citizen Potluck & > > Mixer (those who are as old as I will know what a > mixer is. I guess > > it'll have a double meaning) Oh farrr crrryin' > outloud! I'm a chef. I'll > > even get up off my arse and prepare a thing or 2. I > even have a nice new > > house to host-ess it in. After-all, a nice jewish > mutha can only do so > > much for her kids. > > Is anybody down? > > -TRACY > > aurora8@earthlink.net > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:38:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25561 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:38:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 25551 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:38:48 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:38:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA22138; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:38:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:38:46 -0800 (PST) From: To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers In-Reply-To: <3462880C.53F8@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > blkadder@value.net wrote: > > > > On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, SB PRiNce wrote: > > > > > hey whats up? > > > > > > since all u out there r like clubers or ravers > > > or soemthing close to that, tell me what u think > > > of my site please, and give me some indies info > > > cuz i expect u all to be at least 21 and im not > > > yet, not for a while : > > > > Can someone please explain to me what language this person is speaking? It > > looks like some bastardized version of English, or maybe a piece of > > foreign language translation software gone arwy, but I am not sure. > > > > Black Adder > > yeah i know what you mean ...these people that are not like everybody > else and do things differently are so irratating...makes me > want to bang my head on my computer desk.... If apparent illiteracy equals individualism, your point is well taken. My feeling is that when corresponding to others one should strive to be understood, so thoughts, feelings, and opinions can be viewed without possible confusion. That is the point of conversation is it not? Being forced to translate from gibberish introduces the possibility of confusion and makes the speaker appear unintelligent and or ignorant. In other words, not someone that has anything worth hearing to say. Black Adder (who has heard enough K-RaD 3l33t3 speech in his time) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:42:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27167 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:42:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 27154 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:42:41 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:42:41 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id KAA02259; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:39:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3463635B.8EC873EB@best.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:52:11 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aurora8 CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! References: <34635D98.58A5@earthlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm totally down fer something like that! =) but careful..... what about the people who've flamed back and forth and have grudges against each other? ie. "hey.... I know you... I've seen ya at parties tons of times, what's your name?" "Joe.... I'm Joe Blow on the list! =), who are you?" "oh I'm John... John Doe, you !@%&!@$ !@&$&@!(%&(@! @!(##(@*!@3, I'm telling you damn it, COKE IS BETTER THAN PEPSI!!!" "F#<{ U JACK8$$, PEPSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" =) jer Aurora8 wrote: > > Okay... I've been trying to figure out a way to meet you guys. I've > tried to set up meeting spots @ parties. I've tried to e some of you & > get you to meet me @ parties. I've even offered rides to y'all. I'M AN > OLD LADY PEOPLE! My bod ain't what it used to be and my arthritis is > actin' up. Is the only way I can get you to participate in getting to > know each other by ordering you all to make some food, bring it to my > house and SOCIALIZE DAG NABBIT!?!?! I bet I could even get some > benevolent DJs to spin a few and liven the place up a bit you (I'm > assuming y'all are as old & tired as I am and that's why you're so > stubborn & obstinate!) Bah! > An SFRaves Potluck of sorts. The SFRaves Senior Citizen Potluck & > Mixer (those who are as old as I will know what a mixer is. I guess > it'll have a double meaning) Oh farrr crrryin' outloud! I'm a chef. I'll > even get up off my arse and prepare a thing or 2. I even have a nice new > house to host-ess it in. After-all, a nice jewish mutha can only do so > much for her kids. > Is anybody down? > -TRACY > aurora8@earthlink.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:45:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28896 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:45:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 28887 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:45:36 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:45:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA23361; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:45:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:45:29 -0800 (PST) From: To: just jer cc: Aurora8 , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! In-Reply-To: <3463635B.8EC873EB@best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, just jer wrote: > I'm totally down fer something like that! =) > but careful..... what about the people who've flamed back and forth and > have grudges against each other? Eat them. Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:51:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29858 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:51:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 29849 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:51:36 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:51:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107184923.5069.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.160] by web4; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:49:23 PST Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:49:23 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! To: just jer , Aurora8 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sumtimes you just have to be a adult...and say that was in tha past... no one gets along all tha time... lovejeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---just jer wrote: > > I'm totally down fer something like that! =) > but careful..... what about the people who've flamed back and forth and > have grudges against each other? > > ie. > > "hey.... I know you... I've seen ya at parties tons of times, what's > your name?" > > "Joe.... I'm Joe Blow on the list! =), who are you?" > > "oh I'm John... John Doe, you !@%&!@$ !@&$&@!(%&(@! @!(##(@*!@3, I'm > telling you damn it, COKE IS BETTER THAN PEPSI!!!" > > "F#<{ U JACK8$$, PEPSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" > > =) jer > > Aurora8 wrote: > > > > Okay... I've been trying to figure out a way to meet you guys. I've > > tried to set up meeting spots @ parties. I've tried to e some of you & > > get you to meet me @ parties. I've even offered rides to y'all. I'M AN > > OLD LADY PEOPLE! My bod ain't what it used to be and my arthritis is > > actin' up. Is the only way I can get you to participate in getting to > > know each other by ordering you all to make some food, bring it to my > > house and SOCIALIZE DAG NABBIT!?!?! I bet I could even get some > > benevolent DJs to spin a few and liven the place up a bit you (I'm > > assuming y'all are as old & tired as I am and that's why you're so > > stubborn & obstinate!) Bah! > > An SFRaves Potluck of sorts. The SFRaves Senior Citizen Potluck & > > Mixer (those who are as old as I will know what a mixer is. I guess > > it'll have a double meaning) Oh farrr crrryin' outloud! I'm a chef. I'll > > even get up off my arse and prepare a thing or 2. I even have a nice new > > house to host-ess it in. After-all, a nice jewish mutha can only do so > > much for her kids. > > Is anybody down? > > -TRACY > > aurora8@earthlink.net > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 18:51:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 382 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 18:51:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 29895 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 18:51:39 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 18:51:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107184925.5079.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.160] by web4; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:49:25 PST Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:49:25 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! To: just jer , Aurora8 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sumtimes you just have to be a adult...and say that was in tha past... no one gets along all tha time... lovejeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---just jer wrote: > > I'm totally down fer something like that! =) > but careful..... what about the people who've flamed back and forth and > have grudges against each other? > > ie. > > "hey.... I know you... I've seen ya at parties tons of times, what's > your name?" > > "Joe.... I'm Joe Blow on the list! =), who are you?" > > "oh I'm John... John Doe, you !@%&!@$ !@&$&@!(%&(@! @!(##(@*!@3, I'm > telling you damn it, COKE IS BETTER THAN PEPSI!!!" > > "F#<{ U JACK8$$, PEPSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" > > =) jer > > Aurora8 wrote: > > > > Okay... I've been trying to figure out a way to meet you guys. I've > > tried to set up meeting spots @ parties. I've tried to e some of you & > > get you to meet me @ parties. I've even offered rides to y'all. I'M AN > > OLD LADY PEOPLE! My bod ain't what it used to be and my arthritis is > > actin' up. Is the only way I can get you to participate in getting to > > know each other by ordering you all to make some food, bring it to my > > house and SOCIALIZE DAG NABBIT!?!?! I bet I could even get some > > benevolent DJs to spin a few and liven the place up a bit you (I'm > > assuming y'all are as old & tired as I am and that's why you're so > > stubborn & obstinate!) Bah! > > An SFRaves Potluck of sorts. The SFRaves Senior Citizen Potluck & > > Mixer (those who are as old as I will know what a mixer is. I guess > > it'll have a double meaning) Oh farrr crrryin' outloud! I'm a chef. I'll > > even get up off my arse and prepare a thing or 2. I even have a nice new > > house to host-ess it in. After-all, a nice jewish mutha can only do so > > much for her kids. > > Is anybody down? > > -TRACY > > aurora8@earthlink.net > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 19:12:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4498 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 19:12:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 4489 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 19:12:05 -0000 Received: from lbin.com (HELO light.lbin.com) (204.30.25.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 19:12:05 -0000 Received: by light.lbin.com (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3) id ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:07:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346367D5.7705FF33@lbin.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:11:17 -0800 From: Ryan PC Gibson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > Being forced to translate from gibberish introduces the possibility of > confusion and makes the speaker appear unintelligent and or ignorant. In > other words, not someone that has anything worth hearing to say. > > Black Adder > (who has heard enough K-RaD 3l33t3 > speech in his time) being forced to translate _english_ into what the author means almost certainly introduces the possibilty of confusion. if you were to consider these spelling choices the "english dialect" of the net, or ravers, or ravers on the net, then you wouldn't call it gibberish. do southern drawls, irish brogues, or south philadelphia accents (yo!) constitute gibberish? why should the written word always be in the queen's english? damn the british! wear what you want, take the drugs that you want, and write as you feel best communicates your point. if you need clarification on what someone is saying, assume neither of you is ignorant, just not connecting 100% and ask for more detail...or move onto the next post. -ryan. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 19:15:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5535 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 19:15:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 5524 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 19:15:35 -0000 Received: from f2.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.13) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 19:15:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 17260 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 19:15:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107191508.17259.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.43 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:15:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.43] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org, leslie@netcommunications.net Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:15:08 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk j00 bEeN hAx0rd BaBy .Hab PhUN TrizNyInG 2 ReEd Dis HAhAhAhAh PeAcE DiSoRdR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 19:17:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6155 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 19:17:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 6141 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 19:17:07 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 19:17:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107191456.10806.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web4; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:14:56 PST Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:14:56 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: name that dance To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk remember back in the day when dances had cool names, like "the twist", "the funky monkey", "the charleston"? me neither, but i always thought it was kind of a cool idea. and since ravers tend to have their own unique dances, i thought it would be kinda cool to give each dance a unique name. here's a few of my personal favorites: "the drunken master" (jungle, breakbeat): like jackie chan, i can only pull this one off if i've had a few to many, so it's pretty much reserved for when i'm club hopping. just do some sloppy lookin karate moves in time with the music. then, when your body is at it's most contorted, hold that position for a second with a goofy expression on your face, then continue. if anybody laughs at you, beat them up. "the tweakin' shaggy" (jungle): standing in one place, bob your head in time with the breakbeat, only a little faster. snap your fingers a little faster than you're bobbing your head. make spasmodic twitching motions with your feet. this one only looks right if you've got a goatee. "the grover" (house, techno): this move works best if you're wearing a big fuzzy sweater that hangs down over your hands. scrunch up your neck then stretch it out so your head bobs in time with the music. at the same time, throw your hands out wildly, then pull them back as you scrunch up your neck. for extra effect, make the sweater hanging over your hands flop around, so it looks like you've got a third joint in your arm like the muppets do. the trick is to make it look like the wires are coming from below, not above. so give it up sfravers! what's your favorite dance, and how do you do it? -messiah wannabe *for rave-time fun with your friends, stand on the sidelines and see who can come up with the best name for each raver's dance. Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 19:21:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7062 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 19:21:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 7052 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 19:21:11 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 19:21:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107192315.15225.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web2; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:23:15 PST Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers To: Faro@usa.net Cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i think honour has an extra "u" in olde english... -mw ---Faro wrote: > > Since some people seem to be having trouble understading this post, I > have taken it upon myself to translate it to ye goode olde fashioned > English Please feel fee to correct me If you believe I have somehow > garbled the translation: > Greetings fellow kinsmen.. > > It hast fallen upon mine ears that many of thou art seekers of > amusing diversions. Therefore, whilst thou art out browsing yon world > wide web, please give me the honor of your presence at my humble > abode. I would be in your deepest debt if thou were to offer me, a > poor knave, some words of wisodm from your learned tounge. Thou > mayest call upon me at the following address: > > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/2381/INDEX.HTML > > Observe yon Caps Lock Key and be surest that thou hast set it > properly. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > -Faro > Faro@usa.net > > > hey whats up? > > > > since all u out there r like clubers or ravers > > or soemthing close to that, tell me what u think > > of my site please, and give me some indies info > > cuz i expect u all to be at least 21 and im not > > yet, not for a while : > > > > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/2381/INDEX.HTML > > > > make sure INDEX.HTML is in caps > > > > thanx - sign the guestbook if u can, and email > > me telling me if theres ne-thing wrong > > SBPRiNce@aol.com > > > > -mike > > THa SouTH Bay PRiNce- > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 19:24:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7742 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 19:23:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 7732 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 19:23:57 -0000 Received: from f43.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.54) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 19:23:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 7143 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 19:23:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107192330.7142.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.43 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:23:29 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.43] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, aurora8@earthlink.net Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:23:29 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ok eeemmmah ;) is there gonna be any kreplach... or what about matzo ball soup.. gefilte fish?? hehehehe oh yeah.. so like when, where, perhaps how and why? hehehe Peace Philly > >Okay... I've been trying to figure out a way to meet you guys. I've >tried to set up meeting spots @ parties. I've tried to e some of you & >get you to meet me @ parties. I've even offered rides to y'all. I'M AN >OLD LADY PEOPLE! My bod ain't what it used to be and my arthritis is >actin' up. Is the only way I can get you to participate in getting to >know each other by ordering you all to make some food, bring it to my >house and SOCIALIZE DAG NABBIT!?!?! I bet I could even get some >benevolent DJs to spin a few and liven the place up a bit you (I'm >assuming y'all are as old & tired as I am and that's why you're so >stubborn & obstinate!) Bah! >An SFRaves Potluck of sorts. The SFRaves Senior Citizen Potluck & >Mixer (those who are as old as I will know what a mixer is. I guess >it'll have a double meaning) Oh farrr crrryin' outloud! I'm a chef. I'll >even get up off my arse and prepare a thing or 2. I even have a nice new >house to host-ess it in. After-all, a nice jewish mutha can only do so >much for her kids. >Is anybody down? >-TRACY >aurora8@earthlink.net > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 19:25:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8455 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 19:25:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 8445 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 19:25:51 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 19:25:51 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA15955; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:24:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca12-44.ix.netcom.com(207.92.172.236) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015746; Fri Nov 7 13:23:10 1997 Message-ID: <309FB233.BCD72DCB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 11:23:32 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainmnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mdowner@neurex.com CC: byroni@ccnet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Letts all meet at the Drive-Ins. References: <88256547.007C9705.00@mother.neurex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I go to the Drive-Ins in Burlingame at least once a week. On tuesday nights they have a special of only $4 per person. There is a rundown playground, and we can all check out the flick, and walk around car to car and meat everyone. There is radio sound through your car stereo, and it is suposed to be still warm next week. maybee next Tuesday night is a good night. Field # 1 will be playing Starship Troopers with Men In Black. starts at 7pm, and gates open at 6 pm. We can bring lounge chairs, and bbq, and food, there is no security, and they are way cool down there. Is anyone else up for this????? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 19:35:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11462 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 19:35:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 11453 invoked by uid 24); 7 Nov 1997 19:35:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 13345 invoked by uid 76); 7 Nov 1997 02:45:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107024502.13344.qmail@hyperreal.org> From: dhchung@hyperreal.org Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.org (SF Raves) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:45:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.org (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL37 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I don't have that much info for this weekend; things usually do slow down a bit as the weather gets cooler, but I might just be missing stuff. The Bagok Tribe and Explicit House parties look good for Saturday, then there's a free party on Sunday. As usual, thanks to everyone who's been sending in info! THE SFR CALENDAR http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Thursday, November 6th - _Purifide_ Cloud, Ma, Greg Sandler. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. 107 4th St, Santa Rosa. 707.523.9588 Friday, November 7th - Nidus and the S.P.A.Z. collective presents Mystery hardcore-industrial-technoize-live experiments O.S.T., Electric Mayhem, dj Din, dj Amethyst. 9pm-?(late), All ages, $5. 415.551.2511 Saturday, November 8th - Bagok Tribe presents _Intoxication_ the Indian Summer Celebration Jon Bishop (SD), DJ Dan, Simon, Jeno, Tony, Bagok Tribe Soundsystem DJs Dreamer & Pat Allen on 2x4. $15 with can food. 9pm-7am, . 415.437.6905 510.674.8663 Saturday, November 8th - Motorway presents _Community_ Brandon (Solid Grooves), Trent (Harmony), Dre, Eric, Hans, DJ Spirit, Chris V., Robb. benefits WEAVE (Women Escaping A Violent Environment). 9:30p-6:30a, $10. Sacramento. 916.491.5891 916.522.3387 Saturday, November 8th - E-Klektik Productions presents _Explicit House_ a night-long trip into the soul of house music. Paul Johnson (Chicago), Mark Lewis (LA), DJ Nitro (St.L), Garth, Carlos, Essence, Kimo, Kid Bippy, Lil Ricky, Franklin, Dean Kroh. Audio and Visual Ecstasy provided by 4All sound & Central System Lighting. 510.728.9456 415.263.0345 Sunday, November 9th - 12 Monkeys Productions presents _No Bananas_ Tony, Carlos, Pacus, Tripnotix, Dan Isacc (12 Monkeys), DJ Champ (12 Monkeys), Pat (SB Company Correct). Free. 415.436.0714 510.407.1208 Wednesday, November 12nd - _CD Release party for 'Fergus'_ New Tribal Psychedelia with Trance-portation dance exploration 9pm-, 21+, $3. New George's, 842 4th St, San Rafael. Wednesday, November 13rd - FTT presents Spring Heel Jack $10 advance tix 18+, $12. Bimbo's, 1025 Columbus, SF. 415.474.0365 Friday, November 14th - The people who brought you Foundation presents _Emerald City_ DJs pending.... Sacramento. 916.828.5904 Friday, November 14th - _Wonder 2_ Vlad, Li, AndyW, Mystr-E, Macadio, more TBA.. New location. Three rooms including an "Open Deck" room (bring your records). 2-300 limited tix. 408.538.5600 Friday, November 14th - "One of us" presents _Emerald City_ Jon Bishop, Barry Weaver, Mike Moss & DJ Sol on 4 turntables, Wyatt, Patrick. 415.451.8066 916.828.5904 916.829.6485 Saturday, November 15th - Silver Pearl presents _Quest_ Jeno, Eric Spire, Tony, Josh, Garth, Tracy, Mei-Lwun, Brother, Tom, Noel, UFO, Soulstice (live), Craig Russo (live). Visuals by Question Mark?. Flora Art and Edible Altars by Anthony Ward of Passionflora. Lasers by UV99, lots of FREE fruit. 415.273.5912 510.287.5620 408.278.5286 408.454.1555 Saturday, November 15th - Space Children presents An Evening With... Gigilo & Disko B Records an intimate gathering to warm up for Be Here Now. Featuring techno pioneers from Germany: DJ Hell, Acid Maria, DJ Naughty, US debut live performance by Acid Scout, Cesar, Twerk, West Coast debut live performance by Lunatic Calm (MCA/UK). $15 all night with a can of food Downtown SF venue limited to 700 Space Children 18+. SF. 415.273.1622 415.675.4700 Saturday, November 15th - _Mantis_ DJ Jasen (Candy/LA), Justin Johnson (Satellite/NY), DJ Bryan B, DJ Temple (Quest/Santa Barbara), DJ Jrem (Degabah System/CT), Yoda (SF). 415.675.5615 Saturday, November 15th - _Viberation_ Micron, Greg (Harmony), Sho (Mad/FnF), Li, Andy W, Meeks, Science, Siphon, Re ach, special guest. limited capacity - presale ticket locations TBA. $10. east bay. 408.881.0898 Tuesday, November 18th - FTT presents Bentley Rhythm Ace 18+. Bimbo's, 1025 Columbus, SF. 415.474.0365 Tuesday, November 18th - Rhythm Music presents _Moby_ special guest Juno Reactor. $6 presale tickets available exclusively at Rhythm Music. 18+. the Edge, 260 California, Palo Alto. 408.298.8299 Wednesday, November 19th - _Moby & Juno Reactor_ 8pm- $16. The Fillmore, 1805 Geary @ Fillmore, SF. 415.346.6000 Thursday, November 20th - _Hiatus_ Garth, Jeno, Carlos, Resin (live). $7 with flyer. free before 9:30pm. 9pm-3am, 21+, $10. Club 181 , 181 Eddy @ Taylor., SF. Thursday, November 20th - _Pure Space_ Mark Farina, Jeno, Josh, Spun. Lightshows by Donovan & FU-KUU Hi-Fi. Free vegie food by Adnan/Eddie. 10pm-??, 21+. VSF, 278 11th St., SF. 415.487.7691 Friday, November 21st - SF House Collective presents _Love_ Jorge, Melanie, Jeno, Carlos, Jason. 415.615.8559 510.340.4956 Friday, November 21st - The Lounge & Fuz-E presents _T.H.C. (Total House Commitment)_ Rob Doten, DJ Dennis, Joe Harp, DJ Sol. Sacramento. 916.484.4040 Saturday, November 22nd - _ENIT Festival_ Jane's Addiction, Goldie, Funky Tekno Tribe, Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters, ResFest, more tba.... 9pm-6am, . Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, SF. Wednesday, November 26th - _The Green Gorilla Lounge_ Jeno, Spun, John Howard, Solar, M3, Peanut Butter Wolf, PJ. $5 before 11. Once a month. 21+, $7. the Germania, 261 North 2nd St @ Julian, San Jose. 408.747.7728 Friday, November 27th - Ultra 5 presents _Smarties_ one room - one vibe - one love Donald Glaude, Barry Weaver, DJ Dan, Jeno, Rick V (In Tha Mix), Bryen (In Tha Mix). 415.267.4849 408.984.4033 800.204.3986 916.484.4006 Friday, November 28th - Feel Good Entertainment presents _The 'SPIRIT' of Giving: Thanksgiving PLURity VIBE-Fest_ a BIG chunk of the proceeds will be donated to the Bay Area Homeless Alliance. more info to follow... 415.263.0483 Friday, November 28th - Square One & Togetha presents _Embrace_ Simon Apex, Markus, DJ Sol, J.P., DJ Dennis, DJ Rockit, Matt G, DJ Scot, Wyatt, Jimmy Zimms, Akira, Jus' tom, Bryen. 916.328.3559 Saturday, November 29th - Pro-Soy presents _Wyrd/Power of Love_ Wyrd (wierd) - an old Anglo-Saxon shamanic word of power meaning what is what is becoming. Deaks, Maya 13, special surprises in store.. Organic Fruit, Organic Chai, Free of course! Saturday, November 29th - Bigfloor - A New Beginning celebrating 4 years of smiles! Created in the Tribal Funk tradition! Upbeat Arena: DJ Dan, Donald Glaude on 4 turntables, Thomas Michael (LA), Doran (LA), David Coleman, Downbeat Dimension: The Mammal (London, aka Thomas-Wicked), Cut Chemist (LA), Z-Trip & Radar (Phoenix, 4 turntables), Faust & Craze (Atlanta, 4 turntables), Charlotte the Baroness, Laron, more TBA. Proceeds from this event will be donated to benefit the Haight Ashbury Free Clinics. The BIGFLOOR has an _unlimited_ capacity! Don't stress about presale tickets. 415.905.4476 510.906.5339 Saturday, November 29th - Space Children presents the third annual Be Here Now exclusive live performance by Eat Static (UK), U.S. debut live performance by drum n' bass legend A Guy Called Gerald (UK), U.S. debut live performance by The Sugar Experiment Station (Scotland, aka Neil Landstrumm & Tobias Schmidt), Sativae Records founder Dave Tarrida (Scotland), Barry Weaver, Cesar, Graeme, Rock n' the House with DJ Preston, Galen, Planet Dog records founder Michael Dog (UK). limited $20 presale tix available soon. capacity limited to only 2000 Space Children, so pick up an advance ticket to secure your place. Maritime Hall, 450 Harrison St, SF. 415.675.4700 510.461.SPACE Saturday, December 6th - Togetha presents _Fun For Kids_ a Christmas toy drive for less fortunate children in Sacramento. Rick Preston, Matt G, Flash, Markus, J.P., John Michael, DJ Dennis, Mike Moss, Jus'tom, DJ Sol. Free with packaged toy donation Sacramento. 916.484.3791 Saturday, December 20th - AmpedOnEntertainment presents _The Boondocks: Your 2nd Trip_ Amped OnEntertainment would like to invite everyone who showed up and Entered the Boondocks to join us for the second trip. Ghost (Ghostribe), Jeno, Garth, Pete Avila, Rafriki (Amped OnE). $15 b4 11:00 so arrive early. 9pm-, 18+. 1.800.956.2515 Saturday, January 17th - Space Children presents All Together Now 3 year anniversary Expect an absolutely stellar line up from all around our beautiful planet. 415.675.4700 510.461.SPACE Saturday, January 24th - 6 in da mornin productions presents _Ground Zero 3: the Resurrection_ after a year in the making, this party will include internationally recognized talent, plenty of free giveaways. DJ lineup to be revealed on November 15th. 800.590.7032 Saturday, January 24th - _Lightseed One Year_ Benefitting the world's rainforests DJs and other performing info to come. 415.458.0337 707.329.2189 Saturday, January 31st - Fresh-E Productions presents _In House We Trust_ Jeno, Tony, Simon, Carlos, Mellanie, Pat Allen, Jazz-e, Moda, Shaft, Paucus, Kwashi, Essence, Spinner, Tripnotix, Kimo. Visuals by Multimedia Meltdown. more info TBA. _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... Thursday _Sharpshooter_ - acid jazz, hip hop, soul w/DJs George, Aural B, Romanowski, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $4. elbo room, 647 Valencia, SF. 415.552.7788 Anthem - house, funk, disco w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jorge Martinez, Sista Black, guests. 10pm-6am, 21+, $3. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.978.0181 _Buggin' Out_ - drum'n'bass for your head space on the 11th of every month w/DJs spell, flux, noel. 21+, $3. , SF 415.522.2343 _Sprung_ - funk meets the future w/DJs Manny Rosa, the Baroness, Jimmm the dj, guests. alternate Thursdays (10/30...) 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. _Royal Jelly_ - explorations in creative and social behaviour. Sound experiments in digital rhythm and note fantasies w/DJs Lefebvrier, Toph, Travis, guest DJs and live acts weekly. 7pm-, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th St @ So.Van Ness, SF. _Vibe_ - deep acid trance, gay, bi and straight w/DJs Jon Bush, Natalie Dierickx. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Stud, 9th & Harrison, SF. _Thursday Night Therapy_ - house, techno w/DJs Jazz-E, Josh Schwab, Corey, guests. call for location. 9pm-3am, 18+. , SF 415.281.8466 _Heaven_ - Gavan (Rhum Boogie), James Reed (Bagok), weekly guests. 21+, $7. 836 Mission St, SF. 415.437.6905 _karmachanics_ - house music w/DJs Erin, Krista. Alternate Thursdays. 10pm-2am, 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. _Kit Kat_ - house. 10pm-4am, 21+. the End Up, 6th & Harrison, SF. _Mosaic_ - Mauricio, the Baroness, Shannon, Franky. begins July 17th. 7 Spring St between Kearny & Montgomery, SF. _Trainspotters_ - UK Progressive House w/DJs DJ Phat Pat, guests. 21+, $3. 1333 Columbus @ North Point, SF. _Wax_ - techno, house w/DJs Simon, Taj, Moses aka Mofo, Darcy, Thomas Roberts. 2nd Thursday of each month. 21+. 375 11th St, SF. 415.974.4383 _Edgy Side of Cool_ - ambient, jungle, techno w/DJs Aaron, Leath, Nada, Rick, T1, special guests. All ages, Free. Kismet Gallery/Cafe, 424 S 1st St, San Jose. 408.538.3205 _Eklektic_ - jungle w/DJs StarEyes, Sage, weekly guests. $3 before 11 10p-2a, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 279 Howard @ 2nd, SF. 415.332.5800 x24-7 the kitchen sink - Stareyes, Monty, Joe Rice, guests. $2 before 10p. 9:30p-2a, 18+, $4. Blake's, 2367 Telegraph @ Durant, Berkeley. [11.6 - Sho, D84 (boston), Kit Clayton] Friday Nikita - house, techno w/DJs Simon, Jeno, David Michael, Jerry Bonham. Broadcast live on the net at www.1015.com. Downstairs, Sticks and Stones- provacateurs of Bass present Drum + Bassment with resident DJ Kayar. 10pm-6am, 21+, $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568 [11.7 - Jerry Bonham (SF)] [11.14 - Chris Fortier (Orlando)] [11.21 - Frankie Knuckles] [11.28 - Dave Angel (England)] [12.5 - Robbie Hardiss, Gavin Hardkiss, Scott Hardkiss] [12.12 - DJ Icey] _Sea Monkeys_ - The World's Only Instant Live Party! w/DJs Romanowski, the Formaggio's, guests. $3 before 11 10pm-3am, 21+, $5. Minna Street Gallery, 111 Minna St, SF. 415.974.1719 _Liquid_ - rare groove, trip hop, drum & bass, abstract beats w/DJs Groove Merchant DJs, Tom Thump, Cool Chris. 7pm-, 21+. Liquid, 2925 16th St @ So.Van Ness, SF. _Collective Groove_ - house, trip hop, jungle w/DJs Eric Spire, Tom, Chris 23, Subal. All ages, $5. Vets Hall Auditorium, 846 Front St, Santa Cruz. 408.454.1555 Fusion - house w/DJs Pat Allen, TJ, Jay R, Larry Live, Phil Salter, Cameron, Mark Engler, Rob Bishop. 3 DJs per night, free before 10pm. 9pm-4am, 21+, $5. 1220 Pine St, Walnut Creek. _Product_ - house w/DJs Norman 'The Truth' Stradley, sherif, Jay-J, Marc Jellybear, DJ Fuze. 21+. the Sound Factory, 525 Harrison St, SF. 415.979.8686 _JR's/Club X_ - 2 Dancefloors w/DJs DJ Allen (Club X), DJ Charles (JR's). $9 for the under 21 crowd. 8p-4a, 18+, $5. 2520 Camino Diablo, Walnut Creek. 510.256.1200 _Resource_ - house w/DJs guests weekly. 10p-2am, 21+, $5. 133 Beale @ Mission, SF. 415.263.0838 _Heat_ - Paul. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. 2200 Harvard (in Club Avalon inside the Hilton), Sacramento. 916.922.4700 _Moist and Delicious_ - Mellow hip-jazz to rollin' dnb w/DJs Jake, Visa, guests. 8pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Skylark, 16th & Valencia, SF. _beware of the naughty nurse_ - house w/DJs Robbie Hardkiss. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _In Depth_ - The deep beats of jazz w/DJs Thomas Roberts. 10pm-4am, . 450 Harrison @ 1st, SF. Drunkyn Mastyrz - hip-hop breaks and jungle w/DJs Drunkyn Mastyrz, dayzr. every first friday of the month. 10pm-2am, Free. The Attic, 3336 24th St @ Bartlett, SF. _Abstract Soul_ - house w/DJs Corey Black, Loren, Solar, guests. free before 11. 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard St, SF. [11.7 - Corey, Loren] [11.14 - Solar, Mark Farina] _Stir-Fri-Day_ - drum & bass-dub-hip-hop-house-funk-rare grooves w/DJs guests weekly. 5pm-9pm, 21+. Minna St Gallery, 111 Minna St, SF. [11.7 - Jason Mouse (Phunckateck)] _Liquid_ - Sugar-D, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $5. Neptune's, 5990 S Land Park Dr, Sacramento. 916.452.9823 Saturday _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Nobel, Vince, Christine, Daniel, guests. saturday morning 5:30am-3pm, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF. 415.208.7665 _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr. Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457 _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights. 10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903 _Speakeasy_ - Good Music. Deep House to Jungle w/DJs Vin, Jane Hardaway, Smitty. every other Tuesday 9pm-2am, $2. Coco Club, 139 8th St, SF. Loveworks - house w/DJs Dani, Matt Valenz, guests. i.a.o [inspiration aaron o] 9pm-infinity, . 111 Minna Street, SF. 415.646.0744 GrassRoots - growing the freshest in house beats. w/DJs kelvin k, Uneke, Adonis, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. 415.864.7386 _Pablo's Sugar Shack_ - SF's Funkiest House and Rare-Jazzy Grooves w/DJs Taj, Jay-J, Lele, Buna, Monty, Markiss, Mofo, Roman, SFRaves lounge + guests. 10pm-afterhours, 21+, $10. VSF, 278 Folsom @ 11th, SF. 415.668.2476 [11.8 - Carlos] [11.15 - Donald Glaude] [11.22 - Markiss Anthony] [11.29 - Nobel] [12.6 - Garth] _Moist and Delicious_ - Mellow hip-jazz to rollin' dnb w/DJs Jake, Visa, guests. 8pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Skylark, 16th & Valencia, SF. _RoM_ - an evening of sophisticated deep house... w/DJs Chad Mitchell. 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th St, SF. 415.289.6833 _i Heard That_ - house w/DJs Alain del Corazon, Ruben Mancias, Chris Lum, Rasoul, guests. 9:30pm-2am, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard St, SF. 415.626.9097 _Heavy_ - house, trip hop w/DJs Laron (Black Diamond), DJ Buna (Obora Records), Felix the Dog (Black Diamond). 10pm-2am, 21+. 1028 Geary St @ Polk, SF. 415.605.7949 Sunday Spundae - House, Techno w/DJs Carlos, David Michael, weekly guests. free b4 10:30p 10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. 415.974.9389 _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore, SF. 415.771.2583 _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, Ruben Mancias, guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256 _Mix Lounge_ - techno, house, jungle w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 9pm-2am, $4. 2513 Van Ness, SF. 415.928.0404 _Dub Mission_ - SF's only dub night w/DJs Sep, J.Boogie, Ludichris, other surprises. 9pm-, 21+, $3. the Elbo Room, 647 Valencia @ 17th, SF. 415.552.7788 _Plush_ - house, jungle, trance, ambient w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 9:30p-2a, 21+, $3. 2708 J St, Sacramento. 916.484.4285 _ultra magnetic/left coast chronicles_ - jungle, drum n bass w/DJs abstract, spell, jason mouse, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _float_ - chillin' house beats in a new space w/DJs John Howard, Jason Mouse, Erin (409). 10p-2a, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th @ Mission, SF. 415.431.8889 _true_ - house, acid jazz w/DJs David Harness, Alain del Corazon, Tim Martinez, Henry, Miquel. 10pm-afterhours, 21+, $5. Cat's Grill, 1190 Folsom @ 8th, SF. 415.339.8444 _Breakfast at Tiffany's_ - Serving deep house w/DJs Para, Victor, Nickola. complimentary breakfast (bagels, fresh fruit, pastries) 9am-5pm, 21+. DNA Lounge, 375 11th St, SF. 415.635.6906 _Super8000_ - analogus expeririments in the chemical composition of celluloid and wax. 21+. Edinburgh Castle, 950 Geary @ Polk, SF. _beats for life_ - jungle, techno, hip hop, house w/DJs charlie bucket vs beatjakr. every other sunday. 10pm-, 18+. cat's alley, 1190 Folsom, SF. _Phonixs_ - robot music w/DJs O.S.T., selected tossers. noon-2am, Free. Club Paradise, 1028 Geary @ Polk, SF. 415.567.7540 _Nice_ - house, techno w/DJs Spun, special guests. free before 11. 21+, $5. basement of the Agenda, , San Jose. _Jungle Love_ - thumpin variety of drum and bass w/DJs Sifu, Gamekat, MC Angel, guests. $5 before 11pm. 9pm-3am, 21+, $7. 161 Eddy St, SF. 415.281.0772 _gravity_ - funk, dub, hip hop, jungle w/DJs tomas, andrew jervis, markus, guests weekly. on the mic: jamalski 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. upstairs at Paradise, 11th & Folsom, SF. 415.974.4358 [11.9 - Professor Smith] [11.16 - Joe Rice] [11.23 - Abstract] [11.30 - Ron & Vanka (Stellar Trax)] [12.7 - Solar] Monday _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu, stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151 Folsom St, SF. _Phreak Mode_ - Bass, Booty and Beat Trax w/DJs DJ Positive P, Kit Clayton (One Jack Mind), Jim, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight, SF. _Black's House_ - deep house w/DJs Black, David Williams. 10pm-, 21+, $4. coco club, 139 8th St @ Minna, SF. 415.626.2337 _Beat Box_ - drum'n'bass, jungle, downtempo w/DJs Val. 9:30pm-, 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th St, SF. Ultra - Drum + Bass, Future Soul, Mutant Jazz, Turntablist Science w/DJs Kayar, Noel, UFO, guests weekly. $5 before midnight, $7 after. 21+. v/sf, 278 11th St, SF. 415.266.9215 [11.10 - season finale w/Bryan G, Jumpin' Jack Frost, Ray Keith, MC Moose] _Noc Noc_ - Drum'n'bass, downtempo and electronica w/DJs Mohsen. every other Monday. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. 557 Haight St, SF. 415.861.5811 _Outlet_ - trance, house, disco w/DJs Danny, Nobel, XL, special guests. begins July 21st. 330 Ritch St, SF. 415.541.9530 _One_ - techno, trance w/DJs Ulf, T.C., guests. Visuals by Eyetribe.8pm-2am, 21+, $4. the Cellar, 685 Sutter @ Taylor, SF. _Undertow_ - hardcore, techno, jungle. every other Monday starting August 25th. More details to follow... 21+, $2. Mansion Pub, 132 Est., Davis. 916.759.7163 _NO TV _- From Pure Ambient to House in 7 hours w/DJs Wunjo, Henrik Rosal. $5 b4 10pm. Every other Monday. 8:30pm-3:30am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.675.9899 [11.17 - Andrew Rawnsley] _Spackle_ - house, techno w/DJs Sean, guests weekly. 6am-12:30pm, 21+, $4. 1028 Geary Ave, SF. _Mondays on Hayes_ - house, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. starts in November. 21+, Free. 520 Hayes, SF. [11.10 - Solar, Galen] _Curveball_ - a midtempo night's dream w/DJs Smove, Rhyme Scheme, Tony Scott, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. Club Paradise, 1028 Geary Blvd., SF. 415.605.9057 _Density_ - 98% Concentrated Urban Beats saturated with Drum & Bass Deconstructions w/DJs Al Simmons, Fluid Motion (Om/Mephisto), Paul (On The One), Aural B (Sharpshooter), Moc. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Justice League, 628 Divisadero, SF. 415.440.0409 [11.10 - Roni Size Record Release party - free label giveaways] Tuesday _Eclectic_ - house, jungle, drum & bass w/DJs Yamu, Siege, Franko, Foster, guests. Fresh fruit & condoms to all 9pm-2am, 21+. Paradise Bar & Grill, 5356 College Ave, Oakland. _Rhythm_ - house, techno w/DJs Daniel, Stevian, Mark Willson, Mark Silva, live congas by Brian, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. Greg's Bar, 551 W.Julian/Montgomery, San Jose. 408.286.4388 _Pure_ - house w/DJs Brian Brandon, guests. 9pm-, 18+. The Rage, 1890 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.929.0232 Static - Techno, Drum & Bass, Downtempo, Electro w/DJs ReAch, Quantum, Brad, Darin Marshall, Sutekh, guests. 10pm-2am, $2. 2925 16th @ S Van Ness, SF. _Get Energy_ - an evening of energetic fusion w/DJs Mark Farina. 21+, $5. V/SF, 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. 415.635.6906 _Influx_ - Mike Bee, Gabe Real, Steven Tune, guests. 10pm-, 21+, $5. DNA Lounge, 375 11th St, SF. _Sedate Grooves_ - downbeat, drum'n'bass, breaks, hip hop and weird noises w/DJs David, Erik (Phunkatech), weekly guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _Move_ - house w/DJs DJ Josh, guests weekly. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. 1028 Geary @ Polk, SF. _Outside_ - techno w/DJs Kevin Kind, Kwashi, weekly guests. All ages, $5. , SF 415.340.5607 _Vision Quest_ - Joe Lanza, Will, Dice, JKR, weekly guests. 9p-2a, 21+, $5. 1655 B Willow Pass Rd, Concord. 510.594.4007 _Spin Cycle_ - guests weekly. 7pm-10pm, Free. the Black Box Cabaret, 3rd St & 4th Avenue, Monterey. [11.11 - Chris (mry), Wizard (sc)] Wednesday _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first Wednesday of the month. 10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815 _Phunckatech_ - jungle, hiphop w/DJs UFO, Juju, Abstract, Spell, Noel, Jason Mouse, S.C.U.B.A. SKWAD DJs Charlie Bucket and Beatjakr. 10pm-3am, 18+, $5. Cat's Grill and Alley, 1190 Folsom, SF. 415.331.1500x16 _JR's Club_ - house, trance w/DJs DJ Allen. 8pm-2am, Free. 2520 Camino Diablo, Walnut Creek. 510.256.1200 _monophonic_ - Minimal Techno, Progressive House w/DJs Corey Black, Perfect, Lauren, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th @ S Van Ness, SF. _ElectroniKa_ - Spesh, Kimon, Gil. Visuals by Hyperdelic.Fantastic Vibe. 5pm-9pm, Free. 111 Minna St, SF. _Groove_ - DJ Dreamer, two weekly guests. please bring can of food to donate. $7. 415.437.6905 510.674.8663 _slow roasted_ - experimentaldubambientjungletriphop w/DJs guests weekly. 8pm-10pm, . City Espresso, 5237 stevens creek blvd, santa clara. 408.248.4500 _messenger_ - house, garage, jazz. begins July 30th. 415.289.6897 _Recline_ - rare and abstract w/DJs Wisdom, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard @ 2nd., SF. 415.824.9878 _Count Your Blessings_ - house w/DJs Miquel, Alain Del Corazon. wednesday night/thursday morning after Come/Unity. 5:30am-noon, . Cat's Grill, 1190 Folsom St, SF. _Escape_ - ali, mitch, hutch, special guests. Jax House, 1145 N.Fulton, Fresno. 209.268.4289 _The Lounge_ - house w/DJs house DJs from near and far. 10p-2a, 21+, $3. The Red Lion Inn, 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.484.3706 _Hypnotic Wednesdays_ - trance, techno, jungle w/DJs Dutch, Kraig, special guests. 10pm-4am, 18+. Big Heart City, 836 Mission @ 4th, SF. 415.646.0751 _Twist_ - Deep and Swing House w/DJs Christopher, weekly guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $5. the Beer Cellar, 685 Sutter @ Taylor, SF. 415.317.1754 _the Bulletproof Social_ - jazz, soul, latin, house, disco, dub, jungle w/DJs kevin, george, jayson, richard, kirsten, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. nickie's, 484 haight st, SF. The Basement Lounge - house w/DJs Miguel "Migs", rotating deep dj's weekly. Club 1028, 1028 Geary @ Polk, SF. 415.376.1176 [11.12 - Franky] _sofalize_ - ...next level loungin' w/DJs rotating DJs. donations appreciated...bring i.d. and please respect the space. full coffee bar / literature. 9pm-. 415.789.8308 _the Vinyl Treetmnt_ - house, jungle, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. 415.522.2343 [11.12 - Solar, Iz, Tasho] _Mr Frisky_ - Mike LeFebvrier, Toph (Royal Jelly). 10pm- $6. Infusion, 555 2nd St b/w Bryant & Brannan., SF. 415.346.SPOT _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * the Buzz-line, a global party network - 415.568.1338 * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 8pm-10pm - "Soundz of Resistance" w/DJ Poohbear. Underground electronic music, mainly jungle/drum and bass, dub and hard techno along with guest DJs, interviews and not-so-random amples of life. KZSC 88.1 (Santa Cruz) * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Sunday night midnight-1am - "Shortwave" - Electronic music in all of its guises. KALX, 90.7 FM (Berkeley) * Wednesday night 9pm-11pm - free form music mix. KPFA 94.1 (Berkeley) * Wednesday night/Thursday morning - "the tube" hosted by miss laura aka lola. an electronic excursion into ambient soundscapes, ethereal trance, and washes of other whimsical muzik. KAZU 90.3 (Monterey Bay Community Radio) * Thursday morning 10am-2pm - "The Further Adventures of Aardvark" - trip-hop to experimental to ambient to gabba etc, etc. KSJS 90.5 (San Jose). * Thursday 5pm-9pm - The Beta Lounge - Live netcast of jungle, dub, breakbeat, hiphop, ambient, experimental. http://www.betalounge.com/ * Thursday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. The best in beats to satiate your inner child. Electronic dance, noise, spoken word, world music and more. Also available in RealAudio. KZSU 90.1 (Stanford) * Friday 3pm-6pm - free form music mix. KUSF 90.3 (SF) (also available on Realaudio * Friday 9:30am-noon - Snappy the Aligator plays deep groove music that dips into cool electronic sounds, classic soul, reggae & more. KALX, 90.7 FM (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Jungle, Detroit, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday night 9pm-mid - "Underbrush" w/DJ Radon and guests - Beats, Breakz and Buzz KZSU 90.1 (Stanford). Also broadcast via RealAudio. * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@flux.net * (every other) Saturday night 10p-12:30a - "1984" w/DJ Richtoffen. House, Trance and German rave. 90.1 (Chico) * Saturday night - "amp" 1am. MTV. * Saturday night - "Subsonic". 1am-6am, KITS 105.3 SF. * Saturday night - "House Nation" w/"Anthems Mix", Top 10s from guest DJs and "London Connection w/DJ Doubt". 2am-4am, WILD 94.9 SF. * Ambiance Magazine - 9:30p weds-sun PNC Cable 2 (Modesto & Oakdale), 9p fri & sat, marcus cable ch 9 (ceres & turlock). _________________________________________________________________ For a _search_ interface to the calendar, see the Late Train club section (http://www.latetrain.com/clubs/). _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.org with either the line subscribe sfraves-calendar or unsubscribe sfraves-calendar There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.org with the line subscribe sfraves in the body of the message. Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 19:36:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11783 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 19:36:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 11769 invoked by uid 24); 7 Nov 1997 19:36:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 1549 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 07:55:28 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 07:55:28 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id XAA14485 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id XAA06114; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:55:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:55:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: sfraves Subject: MAPS: Reply to "Is Your Kid on K?" (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! ]=} Some perceptions of our scene. MAPS is a study group primarily dealing with psychedelics. Most of this is on Ketamine. hugz, Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:08:17 GMT From: Peter Meyer To: maps-forum@maps.org Subject: MAPS: Reply to "Is Your Kid on K?" A Reply to "IS YOUR KID ON K?" (article by John Cloud) Time Magazine, 1997-10-20, pp. 56-57 by Peter Meyer, 1997-10-28 -------------------------------- The original of this article is on the web at http://serendipity.magnet.ch/dmt/cloud.html. -------------------------------- ARTICLE: It's 5:30 on a Sunday morning, but the 400-plus kids at the Fantasy Ranch dance club won't be making it to church. Instead, amid sweeping lights and the raw thumps of the aptly named song Insomnia, they sing the praises of the most recent drug to hit central Florida: Special K. "It's the bomb," gushes Tom, a sweaty 15-year-old with a struggling goatee. "It will make you like this," he says, rolling his eyes up as if staring at his brain. "It's dreamy. You see the lights, like, bend." Tom's friend Sara quickly pulls a glass vial from her bra. After a glance around for security, she holds the black-capped vial under a pulsing light, revealing the powder she first came across in July. Now, she says, "I'm into it like every weekend." Sara is 16, and what she's into is an anesthetic sometimes administered to people but, more commonly, to cats and monkeys. Generically called ketamine, street K is most often diverted in liquid form from vets' offices or medical suppliers. Dealers dry the liquid (usually by cooking it) and grind the residue into powder. K causes hallucinations because it blocks chemical messengers in the brain that carry sensory input; the brain fills the resulting void with visions, dreams, memories, whatever. Sara says that once, after snorting several "bumps" of K, she thought other kids on the dance floor had been decapitated. "But I mean, I really knew they had heads. I was just, like, 'This is so weird.'" REPLY: The first thing to notice here (apart from the implicit lament that the "kids" are singing the praises of a drug rather than going to church to sing the praises of the Lord -- this in 1997) is the tactic of suggesting a danger, or supposed danger, to children of the use of a psychoactive material, be it marijuana, LSD or, as here, ketamine. Not only does the author begin the article with an account of adolescents using the drug, but the article is entitled (in capitals) "IS YOUR KID ON K?" (with "K" in RED -- danger!). If this is intended as a subliminal inducement of fear in parents, it is not very subtle. Nobody denies that children require protection. Parents' desire to protect their offspring is a powerful instinct which is far older than the human species. Children and adolescents are not sufficiently experienced in the ways of the world for us to expect them to act as adults do, that is, in a responsible manner. To act responsibly is to acknowledge that one is responsible for the consequences of one's actions, and to act with due regard for possible consequences (especially those that might involve harm to others). One does not drive at 150 km/hour down the main street of town during lunch hour -- or if one does, and someone is killed, one is held to be responsible. Insofar as children and adolescents are not regarded as fully responsible for their actions, restrictions upon their actions, for their own protection, may be justified. Most Western countries set a minimum age at which individuals are permitted to consume alcohol; in many places, if you sell an alcoholic drink to someone younger than eighteen you commit a crime (and perhaps the buyer does too). Legislation restricting sales of alcohol to minors has been enacted for the protection of the young. These laws do not apply to adults, who are considered responsible for their actions (in this case, for the consumption of alcohol). So legislation prohibiting the sale (and perhaps use) of ketamine by minors can be justified. Perhaps the same applies to other psychoactive substances, in particular, marijuana. But the present legislation in most Western countries prohibits the sale and possession of marijuana by adults. In the case of marijuana (ketamine, etc.) use we are not considered responsible for our actions. In effect, adults are being treated as children, with the government implicitly asserting that we are not mature enough to consider the consequences of our actions (smoking marijuana, using ketamine, etc.) and therefore we must be protected. Clearly anyone who considers themselves to be an adult cannot agree with this governmental paternalism. Basically governments have no right to restrict the actions of adults unless such actions are or would clearly harm others. If an adult wants to take some drug and dance all night at a club (or take some drug in the privacy of their own home), then he or she has a perfect right to do so, and laws which deny this right are an unconscionable violation of individual liberty. ARTICLE: And, apparently, enticing. After 25 years of underground recreational use by big-city clubgoers and New Age types (Timothy Leary was a fan), K has exploded in the past few months onto the suburban drug scene. In February, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration warned that use is increasing at teen "rave" parties, the marathon dances that have spawned a new youth subculture. Anti-drug czar Barry McCaffrey's office added K to its list of "emerging drugs" in 1995; the office's latest "pulse check" of the nation found K "all over." St. Louis, Missouri, Tampa, Florida, and suburban New Jersey have seen a rash of animal-hospital break-ins by thieves hunting for ketamine. REPLY: The author does not cite any studies which have been done which provide evidence supporting his assertions. "K has exploded ..." based on anecdotal evidence about adolescents at dance clubs? The DEA has "warned that use is increasing" ... so the DEA would have us believe that we need them even more (for what?). The drug czar has added "K" to his list ... well, well, what will be next? His office did a "pulse check" ... a what? ... Jeez -- are we really expected to take this stuff seriously? Amusing, perhaps; informative, no. ARTICLE: The surest sign of K's popularity, however, is that it is seeping into pop culture: In an X-Files episode earlier this year, agent Fox Mulder had a rogue doctor dose him with ketamine in an attempt to recover memories. The Chemical Brothers, an electronic-music group, recorded a song called "Lost in the K-Hole" for their most recent album, which went gold last month. "K-hole" is jargon for a bad trip -- too much K causes massive sensory deprivation, immobilizing and detaching a user from reality. This is not your father's groovy toke. London researcher Karl Jansen says the drug even reproduces the brain's chemical reaction to a "near-death experience." REPLY: The X-Files episode conveyed little accurate information as to the effects of ketamine, and assistance in the recovery of lost memories is not normally regarded as one of ketamine's properties. But if this drug did help recover memories then wouldn't this be useful in therapy (so often concerned with repressed memories)? Perhaps even self-therapy (to which the A.M.A. is opposed in general)? We're told that "too much K ... [detaches] a user from reality." And what is "reality"? And whatever it is, what's wrong with detachment from it? With ketamine you always return to the usual attachment to "reality", so what's wrong with an occasional excursion into "detachment"? It might even be therapeutic (especially since materialist/consumer-capitalist "reality" is enough to drive anyone insane if they have to spend all their waking hours within it). In medical usage ketamine is administered in amounts of 1 gram, whereas a psychedelic voyager will typically take one-tenth of a gram, and in such doses the drug is generally harmless. It is true that one's attention is concentrated more on inner phenomena than on the objects of the senses (is this what the author means by "sensory deprivation"?), and that one does not feel like moving about, the distance between one's mind and one's body having temporarily increased (is this the "immobilizing effect"?), but for many people this is a desirable state to be in (for an hour or so). And who is to tell them that it is not or prevent them from being in this state (especially someone who has not experienced this state themselves and doesn't know -- by experience -- what it is)? The author suggests that users of ketamine may have a "near-death experience" (with the implicit suggestion that this could be pretty scary) though this is not implied by Jansen's alleged report (source not cited) that "the brain's chemical reaction" (whatever that is) while on ketamine is similar to that (measured?) in people undergoing near-death experiences. Many people report positive results from near-death experiences, so perhaps this is a desirable state -- especially since with ketamine you don't have to risk physical death to attain it. ARTICLE: All this attention has alarmed people like Lieutenant Bill Queen, who works narcotics in the Pinellas County sheriff's office, near Tampa Bay. He had never heard of K before December. Now, his undercover officers can buy it every week. "These kids don't know what they're getting into," says Queen. "But I can tell you, this is another drug that's going to be abused and cause harm." What really steams officer Queen is that he can't do much about it. Snorting K may be foolish, but it's not a felony. If someone without a medical or veterinary license is caught with ketamine in Florida, the maximum sentence is 60 days in jail and a $500 fine. Only a handful state's attorneys have taken the time to prosecute K cases when the stakes are so tiny. For his part, Queen hasn't arrested anyone with K. "We could," he says, "but waiting," gathering evidence against dealers who sell it to his undercover cops. Next year, the legislature will consider a bill to "schedule" ketamine as a contro! lled substance, which would stiffen penalties. REPLY: Lieutenant Queen is reported as saying: "But I can tell you, this is another drug that's going to be abused and cause harm." In the current government newspeak a drug is "used properly" if it is used in accordance with the dictates of the government and allied organizations (such as the A.M.A.), and it is "abused" if it is used in contravention of these dictates. So any unauthorized use of ketamine is "abuse", and Lt. Queen seems to think it will increase. Heavens! An increase in the frequency of an unauthorized activity! Certainly cause for alarm among the government control freaks. As for causing harm, it's not ketamine use that's likely to cause harm, it's the criminalization of it. Just as now, where people's lives may be destroyed if they are found in possession of an ounce of cannabis, so people found with a vial of ketamine might have their lives ruined as a consequence of prosecution and perhaps conviction and imprisonment. Such harms far exceed those that might result from an occasional misuse of ketamine (e.g. attempting to bicycle down a steep hill while high on ketamine, as John Lilly once did, to his regret). Rather than criminalization of ketamine use we should have decriminalization of cannabis use -- that is, if we really want to practice harm reduction. ARTICLE: A swift and simple solution, right? Well, no. Outlawing drugs like LSD (in the 1960s) and Ecstasy (in the 1980s) was easy since they have no government-acknowledged medical use and aren't made by licensed firms. But ketamine and other drugs that are actually medicines are different. Senator Joseph Biden discovered how delicate drug politics can be last year when he designed a bill to control ketamine and the so-called date-rape drug Rohypnol more closely. At the time, rapists' use of the latter to sedate victims had sparked an outcry, but the Rohypnol-controlling part of the legislation died under pharmaceutical-industry pressure. The industry, whose political action committees last year donated $2.1 million to Republican candidates and $714,000 to Democrats, doesn't want the added administrative burdens and U.S. government oversight that come with scheduling a drug as a controlled substance. (Rohypnol was already scheduled, but the bill would have regulated it further.) Eac! h unit of a scheduled drug must be scrupulously accounted for, and some doctors won't prescribe drugs stigmatized by that heavy designation. In the case of ketamine, neither Parke-Davis, which developed the drug, nor Fort Dodge Laboratories, which makes the veterinary brand Ketaset, opposes tighter restrictions. But the industry's supporters in Congress are loath to change industry-friendly precedent, which allows drugs to be scheduled only after lengthy administrative review. (States are more willing to flout industry wishes. So far eight have added the drug to their books.) Lost in these political battles is a basic question: is ketamine really dangerous? Maybe not. The British government decided not to closely restrict ketamine because it could not prove that K's effects were severe. Most drug-overdose deaths result from circulatory or respiratory failure, and ketamine doesn't usually depress these functions. Dr. Alex Stalcup, medical director of a California drug-treatment center, says the effects of K are "basically like being really, really drunk. It's really not a demon, not compared with the other stuff we're seeing with kids now," including smokable versions of heroin and speed. REPLY: As the author in effect says, ketamine seems not to be a dangerous drug ... at least the British government (which can call upon competent medical researchers) could not show it to be so. And, as the author points out, ketamine is not associated with the usual causes of death from drug overdose. As noted above, the psychedelic dose is about one-tenth the clinical dose, so an overdose is unlikely to have any harmful effects. The medical literature even reports accidental overdoses in surgery (many times the psychedelic dose) which had no lasting ill effects. Compared to the addictive drugs -- heroin, cocaine and nicotine -- ketamine is benign. ARTICLE: Still, the possibility of K-high youths getting behind the wheel of a car is alarming, and ketamine was used in several rapes in the 1980s. REPLY: And the possibility of alcohol-intoxicated "youths getting behind the wheel of a car is [also] alarming", but does the author advocate the criminalization of alcohol (a return to the Prohibition Era - though that term applies equally well to our own age)? Probably alcohol is used in vastly more rapes than any other drug. Why should the use of ketamine -- whose beneficial use in professional and in self- therapy is now known -- be criminalized when alcohol, which is a major cause of road accidents (not to mention its role in domestic violence), is legal in practically any quantity? ARTICLE: Stalcup and others agree that ketamine can be addictive. "Some people get very habituated," says Ann Shulgin, a longtime drug researcher. "I've heard some uncomfortable stories -- highly intelligent people who just don't seem aware that they're getting into a dependency." REPLY: In the sense of creating physical dependency (where there are actually long-term changes in brain chemistry which require continued use of a drug to maintain normal functioning) ketamine (unlike heroin, cocaine and nicotine) is not addictive. "Dependence" is a fuzzy concept (much of the population could be said to "depend" on television, or to "depend" on coffee in the morning). As with any psychoactive substance, the risks and benefits of ketamine should be carefully examined before using it. That some people find it attractive means that such people should be warned of the possibility of over-use -- not that such people should be forbidden from using it. Adults are adults because they take responsibility for their actions, and such actions are best taken in the light of all available information. ARTICLE: A prominent experimenter with ketamine was John Lilly, a neuroscientist who pioneered communication with dolphins, and who was played by William Hurt in Altered States (1980). Lilly recalls that a doctor first gave him ketamine in the '70s for migraines. Lilly then began injecting himself with K and at one point was taking 50 milligrams an hour, 20 hours a day, for three weeks. He became convinced "that he was a visitor from the year 3001" and that he was talking to aliens. Today, Lilly is 82 and lives in Maui. He says he hasn't done K for "about a year" and believes it's not addictive. "Go out and try some," he urges. But he also says ketamine should be illegal. "It's dangerous if you don't know what you're doing," he says. "You could fall down." REPLY: John Lilly's experience certainly sounds interesting. What would it feel like to be a visitor from the year 3001? And aliens might have some very interesting things to say. Why should we be warned away from this experience? If aliens are there, we should talk to them anyway we can. What Lilly is reported to have said, "It's dangerous if you don't know what you're doing," is true of many activities, some involving drugs and some not. Most of these activities (e.g. sky-diving) are perfectly legal -- so why shouldn't activities involving drugs be legal (provided they do not threaten harm to others)? If, when using a drug, "you could fall down", someone thinking of using this drug should certainly know about this possible effect -- which is why we need drug education rather than drug prohibition. ARTICLE: Back at the Fantasy Ranch in Tampa the kids have never heard of John Lilly or his friend Timothy Leary. "No, man, are they dealers?" asks one. When the deejay spins a song called "A Little Bit of Ecstasy," cheers go up. "K is really fun," says Beth, 19, as she sashays away. "But I always know I'll be tired the next day." REPLY: At the end of the article the author takes us back to the image of barely pubescent adolescents engaging in unapproved and unauthorized activities. Beth sashays away to the dance floor, and after a night of dancing it should not surprise us if she is tired the next day. But the author suggests (without basis) that ketamine results in tiredness. Sounds better than an alcoholic hangover anyway. In fact moderate use of ketamine in a relaxed setting results in no tiredness the following day. So overall, ketamine emerges from this article in a rather positive light, even though the author appears to express sympathy with the "war on drugs" -- but this is practically obligatory when one is writing about proscribed drugs for publication in the mainstream media. Finally we should note that for someone to evaluate the benefits and risks of ketamine without having experienced it is like someone discussing the merits of a symphony without having heard it. But for prohibitionists that is irrelevant, since they are not interested in the possible beneficial effects of psychedelics but rather in restricting their use -- mostly from fear that their authority might be threatened if people are allowed to do what they want. It comes down to a question of who is to be master of our lives -- ourselves or those who would control us for their own purposes. -------------------------------- The original of this article is on the web at http://serendipity.magnet.ch/dmt/cloud.html. It may be reproduced provided it is published in its entirety without change and with reference to the original article. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 19:37:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12484 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 19:37:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 12466 invoked by uid 24); 7 Nov 1997 19:37:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 11495 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 04:06:40 -0000 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net (128.121.50.145) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 04:06:40 -0000 Received: from peddie.org (peddie.k12.nj.us [198.138.196.9]) by tigger.jvnc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA07725; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by peddie.org (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 5) Enterprise) id 000A29AB; Wed, 5 Nov 97 23:08:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:05:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000A29AB.3012@peddie.org> From: OKELLY@peddie.org (OKELLY) Subject: .;*EXOTIC EROTIC ECSTASY*;. To: drflores@ucdavis.edu, JWitte5602@aol.com, Randy_Mackiewicz@eburke.org, SFraveRock@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk (corrected) Words to live by Happy is the man, and he alone. He who calls today his own. He, who secure within can say Tomorrow do thy worst for I have lived today. Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman Poet and Satirist party on ._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._. O R I O N ._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._.,-+~"`^`"~+-,._. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 19:50:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16715 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 19:50:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 16704 invoked by uid 24); 7 Nov 1997 19:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 23732 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 07:01:31 -0000 Received: from mail.mty.itesm.mx (131.178.2.179) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 07:01:31 -0000 Received: from academ04.mty.itesm.mx (al532091@academ04.mty.itesm.mx [131.178.2.28]) by mail.mty.itesm.mx (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA94594 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:01:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:01:24 -0600 (CST) From: MARIO ALBERTO LOPEZ LANDA To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Congratulations! In-Reply-To: <19971105225043.16698.qmail@hyperreal.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello: I've benn reading this list for about two months but I had never posted because I do not live near the SF area and I had no info on many of the subjects but right now, as I was reading this on the digest I found out you have such a beautiful, caring scene. Or at least thats what you reflect in these messages. Thats why I wanted to congratulate you all, for having and keeping the scene that way. I dont know for sure if it is that way, but reading the digest I felt goose bumps all over me, so I had to write. Some info on me, if someone cares, the new guy. I live in Mexico, Monterrey, mexico to be more precise. the scene here is kinda young and it is kinda misunderstood. Raves are very sporadic and there are a couple of clubs with nice music. People in this city are not very Plury, so the scene has quite som econtraptions to overcome. It is mostly a cowboy city, and, well, the country is about five years behind in the mainstream trends. All and all, there are some pretty cool people in here. The usual, posers wanna get fuct up, and people who just wanna dance and have fun, i Count myself in the last group. I felt so identified with Faro's poem, and I do feel addicted to the music!! I tought I was the only person dancing just for the fun o f dancing, and letting music take my mind. Its great to find out that there are other people in the world that feel the same! I party drug free cause I dont feel the need for any chemical or substance i just need the music, tight clean drum and bass loops with some deep smart sounds and samples and Ill be dancing all night. I dont have anything against drugs either, most of my friends use them.But i just dont think i need them at this point of my life. As you can see, the scene is very young and developing still. Fortunately, I have a little piece in guiding it. My friend hosts the only electronic music (please dont mind terms) radio show. and we are planning on bringing Syntethic Pleasures (the movie) and throwing a nice rave party after it (he is also a promoter). then we will come up with the first mexican rave-zine on the WWW (will be out soon,) ill keep you informed for the adress. The main reason i read this digest is to know there is a huger better thing out there, cause i know im getting out of this country some day. not that i dont like it, but it kinda constricts me. You cannot come and hug someone so easily on a rave down here for example. there is still a lot of misinformation about drugs, smart drinks etc. Oh, and I plan to attend the SF or San Diego state university for a masters degree in multimedia production after i finish college (1 year). so thats my two pesos. Hugs to all! 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Funky, melodic, and sometimes just twisted, "Confessions Of A Selector" is the 90's soundtrack for life in the 70's. As one reviewer put it, " ' Confessions ' makes me want to get naked and watch Bullitt at 6am with a tall boy of ice cold Coors and Hunter S. Thompson at my side..." The effect will be different for some, but the groove is universal. *Astral Matrix-#6 SR9718 (O.O.B.E.) out now 12" Straight outta San Francisco's underground, Astral Matrix's sixth 12" adds another thumpin' chapter to the OOBE catalog. A solid four tracker, ' Number Six ' covers a lot of territory. From the lush technological cut ' Bass Faerie ' to the darkly percussive and minimal track ' Triangles ', this EP is yet another achievement for this excellent local artist. *Jondi & Spesh-We Are Connected SR9722 (Trip N' Spin) out now 12" Inspired by the Sweet! parties and ' Live at Half moon Bay ' show, this is the second EP in the collaboration between Trip 'N Spin and Silent. Floor rocking trancey house with a left-coast feel. Remixes by NovaBass. *VA-Combine EP SR9714 (Organised Noise) out now 12" Some of the best straight up techno west of Carl Craig, Stacey Pullen, Ian Pooley, Derrick May, etc. All of whom are dropping it in their sets... *VA-East Bay Conspiracy EP SR9713 (Trip'N'Spin) out now 12" Featuring the likes of ETI, Jondi & Spesh, Nick Kelly & Cave Dwellers... A intense contribution to the San Francisco/West Coast House Movement Deconstruction meets Hardkiss *Various Artists-Skampler SR9708 (SKAM) out now CD ONLY PLACE TO GET AUTCHERE'S GESCOM, ET.AL. ON CD Autechere=Warp (the label)= released by TVT= Gescom=Owners of SKAM *Epsilon-The Black Hole SR9712 (SoundSphere Recordings) out now 12" Wicked brit-style dark jungle by the artist that has surprised most junglist with his debut appearance on several UK playlists... No U-Turn meets Penny Black *Mammal-The Big Ten-Four EP SR9711 (360) out now 12" Speaking of wicked... Thomas of Wicked Productions presents us with the debut release as Mammal... Downtempo funk with raw/intelligent grooves *Various Artist-Drum Kicks EP SR9710 (XLR8R Trax) out now 12" Hot Sequel to Bad Brakes EP; more of that soothing ;) west coast sound with a wee bit of attitude for good measure... *Various Artists-BAD BREAKS EP SR9709(XLR8R Trax) 12" out now 12" Mutha Beep-Beep by Professor Smith has charted in the UK; CMJ RPM and Jackpot Reviews by Deep Dish (favorable) in MixMagUS; 1ST PRESSING SOLD OUT!!! *Makyo-Rasa Bhava: sr9606 incredibly powerful piece/includes a Bill Laswell remix... referred to this new sound as Indihop and zen dub... Write-ups in the Wire, Fix, etc. Reviews as shown plus... *Various Artist-Land of Baboon (an illclectic brooklyn collection): sr9607 in cover stories by Option and the Wire/ranging from Dub to jungle to trip-hop to ambient-dub/write-ups (artists and/or release) in the Wire, Option, etc From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 20:26:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28017 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 20:26:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 28007 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 20:26:12 -0000 Received: from mrin58.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin58.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.168) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 20:26:12 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA08038; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:25:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:25:29 -0500 (EST) From: CheerioHN@aol.com Message-ID: <971107151420_-156605047@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: mickeymc@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey there :o) Well since i see there seems to be a demand fer A party up here in da sNo, i'll hafta get ready and start plannin, i saw a thing where i can get lift tikets cheeper, so that mite help ya'll out if we do do this thingy, But there is one major hang up... NO SNOW!!! I heard it was rainin in the bay, but all i gots is skattered clowds, so think snow fer the Seirra, im starting to think this El Nino thing is somebodys cruel cruel joke. Also lemme know what you are lookin for if i was to throw this shindig, as far as should we get tablz over here? How many of you are actually interested etc. Ok lemme know whats up! Love ya'll think snow JiL From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 20:32:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 741 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 20:32:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 732 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 20:32:17 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 20:32:17 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id MAA06213; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:30:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34637D71.441E8A38@best.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:43:29 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeremy bispo CC: Aurora8 , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! References: <19971107184923.5069.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was joking... anyways.... everyone knows PEPSI is better than COKE! jer jeremy bispo wrote: > > Sumtimes you just have to be a adult...and say that > was in tha past... no one gets along all tha time... > lovejeremy > > === > > ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ > > ---just jer wrote: > > > > I'm totally down fer something like that! =) > > but careful..... what about the people who've > flamed back and forth and > > have grudges against each other? > > > > ie. > > > > "hey.... I know you... I've seen ya at parties tons > of times, what's > > your name?" > > > > "Joe.... I'm Joe Blow on the list! =), who are you?" > > > > "oh I'm John... John Doe, you !@%&!@$ !@&$&@!(%&(@! > @!(##(@*!@3, I'm > > telling you damn it, COKE IS BETTER THAN PEPSI!!!" > > > > "F#<{ U JACK8$$, PEPSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" > > > > =) jer > > > > Aurora8 wrote: > > > > > > Okay... I've been trying to figure out a way to > meet you guys. I've > > > tried to set up meeting spots @ parties. I've > tried to e some of you & > > > get you to meet me @ parties. I've even offered > rides to y'all. I'M AN > > > OLD LADY PEOPLE! My bod ain't what it used to be > and my arthritis is > > > actin' up. Is the only way I can get you to > participate in getting to > > > know each other by ordering you all to make some > food, bring it to my > > > house and SOCIALIZE DAG NABBIT!?!?! I bet I could > even get some > > > benevolent DJs to spin a few and liven the place > up a bit you (I'm > > > assuming y'all are as old & tired as I am and > that's why you're so > > > stubborn & obstinate!) Bah! > > > An SFRaves Potluck of sorts. The SFRaves Senior > Citizen Potluck & > > > Mixer (those who are as old as I will know what a > mixer is. I guess > > > it'll have a double meaning) Oh farrr crrryin' > outloud! I'm a chef. I'll > > > even get up off my arse and prepare a thing or 2. > I even have a nice new > > > house to host-ess it in. After-all, a nice jewish > mutha can only do so > > > much for her kids. > > > Is anybody down? > > > -TRACY > > > aurora8@earthlink.net > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 20:39:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4537 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 20:39:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 4524 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 20:39:29 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 20:39:29 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id MAA25679; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:39:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id MAA12635; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:39:23 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: blkadder@value.net cc: fish1111@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi All! ]=} Weighing in with my two cents. On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 blkadder@value.net wrote: > My feeling is that when corresponding to others one should strive to be > understood, so thoughts, feelings, and opinions can be viewed without > possible confusion. That is the point of conversation is it not? > Unless one is trying to be confusing to *certain* others. ;) > Being forced to translate from gibberish introduces the possibility of > confusion and makes the speaker appear unintelligent and or ignorant. In > other words, not someone that has anything worth hearing to say. Or perhaps makes the confused listner appear "not with it" or uninformed. It is through experimental (and just plain fun) manipulation of the English language that we have arrived at where it is today. It is through the same routes that we will derive new meaning. While I may not understand some of what is being said by experimenters/explorers of the English language I am very happy to see folks extending the known frontiers of English. I feel all languages should be evolving. While change may be difficult for some of us "older" farts, AND it is good to show the experimentors where they are leaving *some* of us behind, I say "you go boy!" hugz, Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 20:41:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5806 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 20:41:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 5796 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 20:41:43 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 20:41:43 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id MAA26118; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id MAA13001; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:41:35 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:41:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: Break Dancer cc: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org, leslie@netcommunications.net Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers In-Reply-To: <19971107191508.17259.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Nothing like a little anarchy for breakfast! ;) On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Break Dancer wrote: > > j00 bEeN hAx0rd BaBy .Hab PhUN TrizNyInG 2 ReEd Dis > HAhAhAhAh > PeAcE > DiSoRdR > > Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 20:54:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8929 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 20:54:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 8919 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 20:54:51 -0000 Received: from ws100.eisinet.com (HELO eisinet.com) (206.159.237.101) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 20:54:51 -0000 Received: from EISIHQ-Message_Server by eisinet.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:55:29 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:55:03 -0800 From: Veann Cao To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, messiahw@rocketmail.com Subject: name that dance -Reply Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk actually i've noticed how people dance.. it's pretty cool to sit and watch a bunch of pEople dancing. you got the jumping leg dancers the glow stick hand moving thingy the first time Eers unsure of themselves trying to let loose the whole body tweeked dancing the skipping happy kid the whole body movement thang when yer so into your music and dance that the first time ravers go "whoah! how'd they do that?" blahblahblahbl From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 20:57:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9653 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 20:57:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 9644 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 20:57:34 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 20:57:34 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02113; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA04914; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:51:11 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:59:32 -0800 To: "Ran D. Dreams" From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Eye thank DAT watcher sane hiss write. Da Inkless lank-which wheel ollies bee chains-in. Black Adder hiss a grate righter, butt they're our men-E waist two kit maya warts a cross. Knot ever buddy tocks lack hugh. Juneau wet eye M sane? --Boo! meringue Fish it > It is through experimental (and just plain fun) manipulation of the >English language that we have arrived at where it is today. It is through >the same routes that we will derive new meaning. While I may not >understand some of what is being said by experimenters/explorers of >the English language I am very happy to see folks extending the known >frontiers of English. > > I feel all languages should be evolving. While change may be difficult for >some of us "older" farts, AND it is good to show the experimentors where >they are leaving *some* of us behind, I say "you go boy!" > > > >hugz, > >Ran D. Dreams > > > (Namaste) > / > -=*=-/ > ~ > > > ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. > >VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 > >In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 > > _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 21:07:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12582 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 21:07:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 12569 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 21:07:16 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 21:07:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 23468 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 21:09:42 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 21:09:42 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961107130506.007622d0@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 13:05:06 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet??? In-Reply-To: <3462A4E0.E1C@pacbell.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 09:19 PM 11/6/97 -0800, you wrote: >We will have the GG bridge covered with glowsticks, the buildings >downtown will all be painted flourescent...we will have every laser >in the city lighting up the sky..... **** The raver's version of "painting the town red"... this is not a bad idea... random clandestine attacks on buildings... glowsticking them to oblivion... Muahahahahaha! kind of like the old tp'ing of my high-skool daze. we could start with coit tower, wouldn't that be a sight. Muahahahahahahhahaaha.... ahhahahahahahhahahaha!!!! the glowstick guerillas? -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 21:20:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16818 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 21:20:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 16696 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 21:20:40 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 21:20:40 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02348 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA05122; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:14:46 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:23:02 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: so what's up w/ jungle djs? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk are they matching beats or not? playing 2 beats at the same time? I really can't picture it. the beats are so fast and scattered. or are they doing other tricks...cross-slam, dropping on the breaks, back and forth real quick? start/stop, scratch with the elbows, tweaking the bassknobs, yadda-yadda? Still trainwrecking beatless ambient, b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 21:25:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17985 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 21:25:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 17730 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 21:25:19 -0000 Received: from mrin41.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin41.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 21:25:19 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA11231 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:24:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:24:51 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971107162450_746679991@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (srr) ***-type ravers..... Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/7/97 9:25:46 AM, you wrote: <cutest! They're totally missing the whole point of raving and dressing up >like little kids, prancing around embarrasing themselves!!! they >should grow up! SOOOO >IMMATURE~! FREAKS!!!>> HEY NOW......there is NOTHING immature about acting and feeling young and happy and positive....I personally perceive people "prancing around as little kids" as reflecting the innocence of youth, as well as spreading positive energy that's very different from the usual snobbery we've all encountered sometime or another. lighten up! we're all humans and we're all beautiful inside regardless of what we wear on the outside natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 21:30:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20314 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 21:30:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 20297 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 21:30:35 -0000 Received: from mcl.ucsb.edu (raver@128.111.125.61) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 21:30:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (raver@localhost) by mcl.ucsb.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA01151; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:30:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) From: Laurence Y Maar Reply-To: Laurence Y Maar To: SCR/SFR/AZR/MWR Subject: [HARDCORE] Upcoming Events! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk HARDCORE Sucks, the largest site dedicated to bringing up information on upcoming HARDCORE events around the world has just been updated with information for events in California, Texas, Kentucky, and Wisconsin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For detailed information on the below events, point your browser to: http://www.ravenetwork.com/~hardcore ------------------------------------------------------------------------ UPCOMING EVENT SUMMARY: Invasion Family (S. California) Invasion II I Think I'm A Pimp Productions (Texas) Crunk Positive Hardcore Parties (S. California) Rampage H3 Productions / Underground Source (S. California) Harmony 2: Deuces Wild Evolution Productions (Kentucky) Teknosaurus Independent (S. 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[LAURENCE MAAR] --------------------------------------------------------------- . raver@mcl.ucsb.edu \ Peace \ ** . umaarl00@mcl.ucsb.edu \ Love \ POSITIVE HARDCORE . hardk0rE@geocities.com \ Unity \ ALWAYS HARDCORE . hardcore@techno.rribitweb.com \ Respect \ ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 805.968.5882 <--- Feel free to voice me with PLUR anytime ---> 909.861.1616 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 21:34:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21954 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 21:34:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 21831 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 21:34:12 -0000 Received: from mole.slip.net (HELO mole) (207.171.193.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 21:34:12 -0000 Received: from sf-pm8-5-165.dialup.slip.net [207.171.196.165] by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xTw2Y-0006k4-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:34:06 -0800 Message-ID: <346388A6.63B9@earthling.net> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:31:18 -0800 From: voltron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bABy HueY CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: Ooohhhh baby! References: <19971107172742.14680.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk bABy HueY wrote: > > hey everyone, this is pretty entertainning, > > If you're bored on this lovely Friday, check this out. > > http://www.nwlink.com/~xott/baby.htm Yes I've seen this dancing baby before on the net! I thought it was so cool I downloaded it. Great page! It's been bookmarked! -Viet From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 21:49:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25127 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 21:49:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 25115 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 21:49:28 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 21:49:28 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-158.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.158]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA12639 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:49:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34638AC6.640E@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:40:22 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (srr) ***-type ravers..... References: <971107162450_746679991@mrin41.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Natasha426@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/7/97 9:25:46 AM, you wrote: > > HEY NOW......there is NOTHING immature about acting and feeling young and > happy and positive....I personally perceive people "prancing around as little > kids" as reflecting the innocence of youth, as well as spreading positive > energy that's very different from the usual snobbery we've all encountered > sometime or another. > > lighten up! we're all humans and we're all beautiful inside regardless of > what > we wear on the outside > > natasha I like this natasha. Actually im a bit confused about this intolerance on sfraves the past few dayz. I guess its like we each have a different beat. Some have a beat that likes this kind of clothing, behavior or spelling and some that like another kind. Sometimes, like the past few dayz we have a bit of trainwrecking... Maybe we will all get beat matched this weekend. Beat matched is better that beat up...no? ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish ps...there was a huge solar flare on tuesday that has been affecting communications (email) and creating a bit of irratability in general. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 21:49:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25440 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 21:49:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 25402 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 21:49:40 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 21:49:40 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-158.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.158]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA12732 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:49:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34638D3D.1E9F@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:50:53 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Customer Service wrote: > > Eye thank DAT watcher sane hiss write. Da Inkless lank-which wheel ollies > bee chains-in. tyo kkak...rave with jugh pretend glitterz nu bok...so there! > Black Adder hiss a grate righter, butt they're our men-E waist two kit maya > warts a cross. trru true not knoc cho pakk de. Bug now rolls in ravers brain > > Knot ever buddy tocks lack hugh. Juneau wet eye M sane? ag ree mark 55 too chucky ...less sweet than pepsi > > --Boo! meringue Fish it yeah, me say fish it too ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish ps..sorry about spelling errors ...my spelz checkher is very old and antiquated. Plus i dont have on the right kind of clothes. I will go shopping this weekend, buyz a dictionary and the appropriate raver clothing so i will be tolerated in the rave community. any other suggestions that will make me accepted will be greatly appreciated. thankz and wUv n HuGz From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 21:54:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27992 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 21:54:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 27976 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 21:54:24 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 21:54:24 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id NAA09931; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id NAA22518; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:54:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:54:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: Natasha426@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (srr) ***-type ravers..... In-Reply-To: <971107162450_746679991@mrin41.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Remember. There is a big difference between child-like and childish. hugz, On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 Natasha426@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/7/97 9:25:46 AM, you wrote: > > < >cutest! They're totally missing the whole point of raving and dressing up > >like little kids, prancing around embarrasing themselves!!! they > >should grow up! SOOOO > >IMMATURE~! FREAKS!!!>> > > HEY NOW......there is NOTHING immature about acting and feeling young and > happy and positive....I personally perceive people "prancing around as little > kids" as reflecting the innocence of youth, as well as spreading positive > energy that's very different from the usual snobbery we've all encountered > sometime or another. > > lighten up! we're all humans and we're all beautiful inside regardless of > what > we wear on the outside > > natasha > Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 22:12:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1777 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 22:12:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 1766 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 22:12:10 -0000 Received: from mrin58.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin58.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.168) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 22:12:10 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA19081; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:11:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:11:42 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971107171141_1468443287@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: mercutio73@rocketmail.com, lucke@rocketmail.com, aurora8@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I am there all the way baby!!!!!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 22:28:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6114 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 22:28:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 6104 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 22:28:21 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 22:28:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id OAA29533; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:28:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:28:18 -0800 (PST) From: blkadder@value.net Reply-To: blkadder@value.net To: Ryan PC Gibson cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers In-Reply-To: <346367D5.7705FF33@lbin.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Ryan PC Gibson wrote: > > Being forced to translate from gibberish introduces the possibility of > > confusion and makes the speaker appear unintelligent and or ignorant. In > > other words, not someone that has anything worth hearing to say. > > > > Black Adder > > (who has heard enough K-RaD 3l33t3 > > speech in his time) > > being forced to translate _english_ into what the author means almost > certainly introduces the possibilty of confusion. if you were to consider these > spelling choices the "english dialect" of the net, or ravers, or ravers on the > net, then you wouldn't call it gibberish. I don't consider it a dialect of anything other than ignorance. I have been around this "dialect" since the early 80's, and have always felt this way. > do southern drawls, irish brogues, or south philadelphia accents (yo!) > constitute gibberish? why should the written word always be in the > queen's english? damn the british! Not at all. However, all of this '33l3t3' dialect is chosen, it is not derived from an external enviroment as all of the dialects cited above are. > wear what you want, take the drugs that you want, Cool! I think I'll run out and get that crack pipe now! That's cool with you, right? > and write as you feel best communicates your point. Your words are the only thing that communicate who you are and the statement(s) you have to make in this forum. If you write in a barely literate fashion, is that the best means of communicating your point to the greatest number of people? Or how about two better questions: 1) What is your intended audience? 2) Who are you trying to impress? > if you need clarification on what someone is saying, assume neither of > you is ignorant, just not connecting 100% and ask for more detail...or > move onto the next post. I don't assume that the original poster *is* ignorant. What I do assume is that they have actually, of their own volition, *chosen* to sound ignorant. And my question is: Why? Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 22:44:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11704 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 22:44:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 11694 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 22:44:47 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 22:44:47 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-87.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.87]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id OAA23974 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:44:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34639A3C.58A6@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 14:46:20 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: mars needs women ...doof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk A Martian couple and an Earthling couple meet and are talking about all sorts of things. finally, the subject of sex comes up. Just how do you guys do it? Pretty much the way you do, responds the Martian. Discussion ensues and finally the couples decide that it would be an educational, and unique experience to swap partners for the night. The female Earthling and the male Martian go off to a bedroom where the Martian strips. He's got only a teeny, weeny member - about half an inch long and just a quarter inch thick. I don't think this is going to work, says the woman. Why? he asks, What's the matter? Well, she replies, It's just not long enough to reach me. No problem he says, and proceeds to slap his forehead with his palm, with each slap of his forehead, his member grows until it's quite impressively long. Well, she says, that's quite impressive, but it's still pretty narrow... No problem, he says, and starts pulling his ears. With each pull his member grows wider and wider until the entire measurement is extremely exciting to the woman. Wow! she exclaims as they fell into bed and make mad, passionate love. The next day the couples rejoin their normal partners and go their separate ways. As they walk along, the Earth male asks, Well was it any good? I hate to say it, she says, but it was pretty wonderful. How about you? It was OK, he replies, but a little weird. The whole time she was slapping my forehead and pulling my ears. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 22:47:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12512 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 22:47:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 12501 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 22:47:31 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 22:47:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id OAA02785; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:47:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:47:26 -0800 (PST) From: To: "Ran D. Dreams" cc: fish1111@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Ran D. Dreams wrote: > > > My feeling is that when corresponding to others one should strive to be > > understood, so thoughts, feelings, and opinions can be viewed without > > possible confusion. That is the point of conversation is it not? > > > Unless one is trying to be confusing to *certain* others. ;) Agreed. However I fail to see that that was the intended goal here. > > Being forced to translate from gibberish introduces the possibility of > > confusion and makes the speaker appear unintelligent and or ignorant. In > > other words, not someone that has anything worth hearing to say. > > Or perhaps makes the confused listner appear "not with it" or uninformed. If "being with it" involves sounding like an idiot, I'll pass. > It is through experimental (and just plain fun) manipulation of the > English language that we have arrived at where it is today. It is through > the same routes that we will derive new meaning. While I may not > understand some of what is being said by experimenters/explorers of > the English language I am very happy to see folks extending the known > frontiers of English. > I feel all languages should be evolving. Sorry Ran, I don't consider the chosen or real inability to spell by shortening words and misspelling those words as extending the English language. Or helping it evolve in any useful way. > While change may be difficult for some of us "older" farts, AND it is > good to show the experimentors where they are leaving *some* of us > behind, I say "you go boy!" I'll say the same, with a little addition: "You go boy! Go out and try to find a job somewhere besides McDonalds talking like that!" Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 22:54:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14680 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 22:54:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 14671 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 22:54:20 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 22:54:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id OAA04033; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:54:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:54:12 -0800 (PST) From: blkadder@value.net Reply-To: blkadder@value.net To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers In-Reply-To: <34638D3D.1E9F@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > ps..sorry about spelling errors ...my spelz checkher is very old and > antiquated. There is a difference between spelling errors(which I admit to making more than my fair share) and *intentionally* sounding like an idiot. > Plus i dont have on the right kind of clothes. I will > go shopping this weekend, buyz a dictionary and the appropriate > raver clothing so i will be tolerated in the rave community. > any other suggestions that will make me accepted will be greatly > appreciated. thankz and wUv n HuGz Thank you for illustrating my point. If you sound like a moron, usually it is because you choose to, not because you actually are one. Aspiring to imbicility is even sadder. Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:01:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16403 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:01:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16148 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:01:21 -0000 Received: from ws100.eisinet.com (HELO eisinet.com) (206.159.237.101) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:01:21 -0000 Received: from EISIHQ-Message_Server by eisinet.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:02:00 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:01:52 -0800 From: Veann Cao To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, fish1111@pacbell.net Subject: mars needs women ...doof -Reply Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey was that an interpretation of mars needs women on tip records? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:02:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16954 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:01:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 16945 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:01:56 -0000 Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (gchan@206.184.139.138) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:01:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (gchan@localhost) by shell7.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07965 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:01:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:01:55 -0800 (PST) From: George Chan To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: name that dance In-Reply-To: <19971107191456.10806.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Danny posted a link to the animated dancing bab. watching a little baby with motor control is damn eerie. I'd love to do a animated short featuring the raving baby. Anyways here are some more dances to go along with Messiah's; "dancing baby" (breakbeat): in only your tightie whities, diapers, or depends, you wiggle your little rump and rhumba around in circles as you undulate your arms and hands with a latin feel. throw your innocence to the wind, you can do it! "orangatan" (jungle): use this one to incite a ruckuss. knees bent, shoulders back, head forward, arms dangling loose bent at the elbows, and palms up. Waddle and jump around to the beat while threading through people. stop and pose for people and then hop away to the next person. "chi-gung" (breaks): stop movement, bathe yourself in the ethereal break. breathe in, breathe out, repeat. feel the energy enter your body with each breath. you can do a simple chi-gung excercise, or you can just stand there, breathing and finding center. "spiral" (tribal beats): this is a group dance where people stomp around in a circle while another group dances inside their circle spinning the other direction. The energy vortex created sucks the heavens into the earth. I'm relatively new to raving. and you know, before going to my first rave, I had a preconceived idea of what a rave would be like. I had images of hundreds of people dancing together, holding hands, acting as a single organism, a united mind. Images of aboriginal dreamtime dances, native american pow-wows, whirling dervishes, masai prehunt rituals, tiki torch luau's. somebody who's been there please show the way. snowing, george From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:04:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17676 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:04:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 17661 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:04:36 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:04:36 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-87.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.87]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA01352 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:04:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34639EE4.2030@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:06:12 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk blkadder@value.net wrote: > If "being with it" involves sounding like an idiot, I'll pass. idiot is a judgement of yours ...many of us feel different > I don't consider the chosen or real inability to spell byshortening words and misspelling those words as extending the English language. Or helping it evolve in any useful way. again ...your opinion which you are intitled to. but please respect those of us that have a different opinion. I find the english launguage to be very clumsy and confusing so I welcome any attempt change it... > "You go boy! Go out and try to find a job somewhere besides McDonalds > talking like that!" > > Black Adder yeah ...like vice president of the usa remember dan quayle?) or if you cant form a coherent sentence you might try for president...it worked for mr bush. I hear the pay is a little better than macdonalds and you get to stand on the other side of the counter if you are president (clinton) ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:11:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18916 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:11:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 18891 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:11:03 -0000 Received: from mrin84.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin84.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.194) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:11:03 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin84.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA21406; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:10:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:10:35 -0500 (EST) From: SBPRiNce@aol.com Message-ID: <971107181035_-1090908477@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: SBPRiNce's RESPONSE/TRANSLATION/APOLOGY Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk since every1 who got the last mail from my friend like didnt undertstand, disreagrd the previous guy's interpretation and ill do it my self hey whats up? since everyone who is on this bluk sfrave email and i assume that every1 goes to clubs and raves often i want u all to check out the site and give me your feedback. if you know anything useful or any inside, info and ill post it up to the site thank you: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/2381/HOMEPAGE.HTML make sure INDEX.HTML is in caps thanks a lot &sign the guestbook if u can, and email me telling me if there is anything wrong SBPRiNce@aol.com P.S. sorry about the confusion and mic up in the last mail but its not liek u had to talk tarsh about it, you could of just told me the mistake and i would of ^&*ing clarified for all of u out there lata - the prince From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:11:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19468 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:11:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 19459 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:11:31 -0000 Received: from mrin84.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin84.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.194) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:11:31 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin84.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA21406; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:10:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:10:35 -0500 (EST) From: SBPRiNce@aol.com Message-ID: <971107181035_-1090908477@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: SBPRiNce's RESPONSE/TRANSLATION/APOLOGY Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk since every1 who got the last mail from my friend like didnt undertstand, disreagrd the previous guy's interpretation and ill do it my self hey whats up? since everyone who is on this bluk sfrave email and i assume that every1 goes to clubs and raves often i want u all to check out the site and give me your feedback. if you know anything useful or any inside, info and ill post it up to the site thank you: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/2381/HOMEPAGE.HTML make sure INDEX.HTML is in caps thanks a lot &sign the guestbook if u can, and email me telling me if there is anything wrong SBPRiNce@aol.com P.S. sorry about the confusion and mic up in the last mail but its not liek u had to talk tarsh about it, you could of just told me the mistake and i would of ^&*ing clarified for all of u out there lata - the prince From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:15:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20254 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:15:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 20245 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:15:11 -0000 Received: from f55.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.141) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:15:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 4934 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 23:14:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107231444.4933.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.59.148.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:14:43 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.59.148.6] From: "denise castillo" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, lara@vibe.org Subject: Re: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:14:43 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Thank u Lara!! that'z soooo rite... :) i personally don't give a shit about how sumbody else dresses 4 partiez... so i figure why should they care how i look... sumtimez i sport tha name brand shit and sumtimez i take it back retro style (but alwayz baggy and comfy!!).. :) the point iz that it shouldn't matter!!... what iz important here iz how we all contribute positively 2 tha scene... all this judgemental shit is str8 stoopid!! :) luv'n'hugzz.... dEnisE From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:18:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21398 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:17:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 21389 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:17:57 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:17:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 28328 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:20:25 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:20:25 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961107151548.00c69874@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 15:15:48 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 10:08 AM 11/7/97 -0800, you wrote: >oh blah! just wear clothes that you can sweat balls in >if i could, i'd prolly go nekkid =) >whose with me?!?!! **** well, i don't know about the nekkid part... but it's my opinion that's what the baggy shite is for. at least the pants. I only own one pair of fairly baggy jeans.. and it's about the only thing i wear to dance. non-baggy white t-shirt 'cause a baggy one would sag and catch on my hands, etc.... i've been thinking about going out and getting some extra baggy pants for dancing, but have been reluctant because i don't want to look like i'm trying too hard to *look* like a "raver"...heheh... i can't quite see myself wearing them out, or to work... it's not really my style, but the large size of the legs would reduce the amount of clinging my pants do while I'm "sweatin' balls" dancing...eh? so... am i right about the extra baggy pants being cling-free [or at least less clinging] due to the sweat factor? or is it just a style? raver-style. peace- -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:20:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22055 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:20:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 22045 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:20:03 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:20:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 28438 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:22:29 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:22:29 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961107151754.00c6e298@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 15:17:54 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! In-Reply-To: <34635D98.58A5@earthlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 10:27 AM 11/7/97 -0800, you wrote: >actin' up. Is the only way I can get you to participate in getting to >know each other by ordering you all to make some food, bring it to my >house and SOCIALIZE DAG NABBIT!?!?! I bet I could even get some *** can't make it to the beach? sand in my toes....woohoo! -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:21:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23177 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:21:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 23164 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xTxiZ-0006BQ-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:21:35 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:21:40 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Have a nice weekend everyone. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I wanted to send out my love and good vibes to all of you. This weekend is going to be quite eventful I think. For all of us in one way or another. I can feel it. Listen to the music you love, tell your friends, family, and significant others that you love them, and cuddle with your cat.... it's what life's all about! pooof! Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:23:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23842 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:23:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 23833 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:23:14 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:23:14 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA30036 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:22:17 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n3-78.napanet.net [157.22.193.78]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA06697 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:24:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971107142443.006a08c4@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 14:24:43 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi Butterfield Subject: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > >oh blah! just wear clothes that you can sweat balls in >if i could, i'd prolly go nekkid =) >whose with me?!?!! > > Hell yes. I'm with you all the way. .Get rid of that, Goddamn machine - PJ Harvey. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:25:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24768 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:25:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 24758 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:25:27 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:25:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 28671 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:27:51 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:27:51 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961107152311.00c58908@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 15:23:11 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! In-Reply-To: <3463635B.8EC873EB@best.com> References: <34635D98.58A5@earthlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 10:52 AM 11/7/97 -0800, you wrote: >"hey.... I know you... I've seen ya at parties tons of times, what's >your name?" > > "Joe.... I'm Joe Blow on the list! =), who are you?" > >"oh I'm John... John Doe, you !@%&!@$ !@&$&@!(%&(@! @!(##(@*!@3, I'm >telling you damn it, COKE IS BETTER THAN PEPSI!!!" > > "F#<{ U JACK8$$, PEPSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" **** no... diet pepsi, you are sooo off. don't get it wrong again, or i will be forced to do nothing about it! there is no choice for the generation, all other cola is evil, diet pepsi will save us all. if you have a problem with this, or have another opinion, wonderful, what is it, 'cause i could always be wrong dietpepsirules - peace. -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:25:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25284 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:25:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 25193 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:25:35 -0000 Received: from f107.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.226) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:25:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 7120 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 23:25:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107232507.7119.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 157.22.229.127 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:25:07 PST X-Originating-IP: [157.22.229.127] From: "peter sandifer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers (NRR) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:25:07 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hay, Foulish Phish; donut Mac funnel mi! Eye wash sane: >> Eye thank DAT watcher sane hiss write. Da Inkless lank-which wheel ollies >> bee chains-in. (I think that what you're saying is right. The English language will always be changing.) > tyo kkak...rave with jugh pretend glitterz nu bok...so there! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >> Black Adder hiss a grate righter, butt they're our men-E waist two kit maya >> warts a cross. (Black Adder is a great writer, but there are many ways to get my words across.) > trru true not knoc cho pakk de. Bug now rolls in > ravers brain :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >> Knot ever buddy tocks lack hugh. Juneau wet eye M sane? Not everybody talks like you. You know what I'm saying? > ag ree mark 55 too chucky ...less sweet than pepsi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Donut Mac funnel mi, Powell! All tock ewe N two O'Connor! --Boo! Meringue From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:28:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26801 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:28:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 26791 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:28:54 -0000 Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (gchan@206.184.139.138) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:28:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (gchan@localhost) by shell7.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15472 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:28:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:28:53 -0800 (PST) From: George Chan To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: raves in tahoe!? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm moving to Tahoe for the winter and while perusing the the Tahoe Daily Tribune, I came across this article/ad. Rewritten without their permission. ~~~~ Rave at Mulligan's Mulligan's Irish Pub is experimenting with a cutting-edge form of entertainment for Lake Tahoe. It's called the House Rave. Raves, which are fast becoming the most popuar form of entertainment in Europe and big cities in America, are an atmospheric journey for the five senses: sight, sound, touch, and smell. Raves are directed by the house disc jockey, who spins every Wednesday and Friday at Mulligan's. The sense of taste, which is considered to be the most important of the five senses, will be guided by the bar staff of Mulligan's and selected drinks specials each night. For details, call 542-1095. ~~~~~~ I'm keeping on open mind. ;) Do you think the above is a good thing despite its perversion from what we're used to? Anyways, maybe I can get the promoter to bring in some guests from San Francisco. Hehe, the Levi's commercial of the junglist spinning in a country bar comes to mind. If any of you dj's are interested let me know and I'll drop some names when I get up there. So I'm going to be up there all winter snowboarding, poor me. But what the hell am I gonna do at night? I wonder if they have a strong underground scene. Anyways, i'm looking forward to an sfraves Tahoe snow party. Peace George From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:29:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27345 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:29:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 27335 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:29:37 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:29:37 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-87.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.87]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA10391 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:29:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3463A4C0.2B0D@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:31:12 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers (NRR) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Customer Service wrote: > > Hay, Foulish Phish; donut Mac funnel mi! Eye wash sane: sorry me nut mac funnel u. me thin k u funE and kree8 tive sorry 4 ms under standing in water ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:35:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28955 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:35:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28937 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:35:20 -0000 Received: from mrin83.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin83.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.193) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:35:20 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin83.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA06461; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:34:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:34:52 -0500 (EST) From: PHUNKN3@aol.com Message-ID: <971107183451_-1306837409@mrin83.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: so what's up w/ jungle djs? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11.07.1997 11:17:57 PM, peter@niles.com wrote: >are they matching beats or not? > >playing 2 beats at the same time? I really can't picture it. >the beats are so fast and scattered. > >or are they doing other tricks...cross-slam, dropping on the breaks, back >and forth real quick? Of course they match beats....as well as crossfader tricks, It depends on the DJ. (some just mix..others incorporate tricks...some just do tricks, etc.). When you get the chance to go to party where there's jungle music playing, watch the DJ and really listen to the music. At the end of the day, Jungle is no different from any other form of dance music. PEACE jungleluver From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:36:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29706 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:36:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 29697 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:35:59 -0000 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.121) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:35:59 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA19198; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:35:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:35:46 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: raves in tahoe!? To: George Chan cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I recall one very good party in South Lake Tahoe about a year ago... *sigh* :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:36:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 351 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:36:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 341 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:36:17 -0000 Received: from f7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:36:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 3426 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 23:35:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107233547.3425.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.50 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:35:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.50] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, fish1111@pacbell.net Subject: Re: (srr) ***-type ravers..... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:35:47 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > >ps...there was a huge solar flare on tuesday that has been >affecting communications (email) and creating a bit of >irratability in general. > Thats KNOT a SoL- R Flare.. its dem.... tis , its , its the ALIENS!!!!!!!!!!!1 oh no...... there here..... wait....... stop..... must...... read......... email........ ahhhhhhhhhhh Dis0rDr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:36:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 899 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:36:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 890 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:36:54 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:36:54 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.64] ([38.248.198.64] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02434 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:32:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:37:06 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Re: raves in tahoe!? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk actually, at the Right to Dance protest a couple of months ago, i met a guy who was planning on opening a place in Tahoe City where there would be parties once or twice a week, and other events on other nights.... if this is the same guy, he seemed really nice and pretty cool, he'd just moved from Colorado and was trying to do something good up in Tahoe... now about those drinks guided by the bar staff... hmmmm... i don't know about that! leslie >I'm moving to Tahoe for the winter and while perusing the the Tahoe Daily >Tribune, I came across this article/ad. Rewritten without their >permission. > >~~~~ >Rave at Mulligan's > >Mulligan's Irish Pub is experimenting with a cutting-edge form of >entertainment for Lake Tahoe. > >It's called the House Rave. > >Raves, which are fast becoming the most popuar form of entertainment in >Europe and big cities in America, are an atmospheric journey for the five >senses: sight, sound, touch, and smell. > >Raves are directed by the house disc jockey, who spins every Wednesday and >Friday at Mulligan's. The sense of taste, which is considered to be the >most important of the five senses, will be guided by the bar staff of >Mulligan's and selected drinks specials each night. > >For details, call 542-1095. > >~~~~~~ > >I'm keeping on open mind. ;) Do you think the above is a good thing >despite its perversion from what we're used to? Anyways, maybe I can get >the promoter to bring in some guests from San Francisco. Hehe, the Levi's >commercial of the junglist spinning in a country bar comes to mind. If >any of you dj's are interested let me know and I'll drop some names when I >get up there. > >So I'm going to be up there all winter snowboarding, poor me. But what >the hell am I gonna do at night? I wonder if they have a strong >underground scene. Anyways, i'm looking forward to an sfraves Tahoe >snow party. > >Peace >George From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 07 23:54:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8982 invoked by uid 6000); 7 Nov 1997 23:54:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 8969 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:54:38 -0000 Received: from raven.dartmouth.edu (dsp@129.170.111.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:54:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (dsp@localhost) by raven.dartmouth.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA24416 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:49:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:49:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Garrett P. James" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: fresh kits n shit Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey in responce to thet what you wear thing 1) real ravers like big asses its sortof this attraction that most men have originating in the primal days 2) dress fresh! that sall i have to say, wheether your shite is home made or new flashy nautica shit if it makes me say "hoo boy" thats fresh! then i like it (not that i can afford clothes that are vaguely in fashion anyway. 3) hip hop is way mental, some day go to an all night hip hop party and dance alone in the datrk untill sunrise and youll realize how mental slower deeper beats really are. (i went to a great house party this last weekend back east, not 1 light, 300 kids packed into this deep cellar.... great music till 7am!) 4) more jungle!more good techno! more good house! more parties with music like Freedom! :) i was psyched on the jungle and the techno that night indeed. stacey you arethe frehsest shit alive From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 00:00:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10175 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 00:00:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 10158 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 00:00:31 -0000 Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (38.8.210.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 00:00:31 -0000 Received: from plymouth.kaoinfo.com by relay3.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id TAA19972; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:00:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jody_Orsburn_at_KaoFremont@kaoinfo.com Received: from [192.168.22.196] by plymouth.kaoinfo.com via smtpd (for relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:50:30 UT Received: from ccMail by smtp.kaoinfo.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 463ABC30; Fri, 7 Nov 97 19:01:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:52:29 -0500 Message-ID: <463ABC30.1962@kaoinfo.com> Subject: Re: raves in tahoe!? To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, George Chan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk George, you're my hero!! I'm going up to Tahoe with my peeps, in a few weeks(whoa, freestyle), and I was searching for a joint to party at... I'll volunteer to be the guinea pig for your question. I wonder if their weeklies are similar to ours. Or DJ's for that matter. But as a favor to the list, could everyone ask El Nino' to please please give us some rain and snow before the end of the month. me snowboarder, need snow. Ahhhh snap, HAPPY FRIDAY TO ALL!! Have a fantastic weekend my friends!! Peace... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: raves in tahoe!? Author: George Chan at Internet_mail Date: 11/7/97 3:28 PM I'm moving to Tahoe for the winter and while perusing the the Tahoe Daily Tribune, I came across this article/ad. Rewritten without their permission. ~~~~ Rave at Mulligan's Mulligan's Irish Pub is experimenting with a cutting-edge form of entertainment for Lake Tahoe. It's called the House Rave. Raves, which are fast becoming the most popuar form of entertainment in Europe and big cities in America, are an atmospheric journey for the five senses: sight, sound, touch, and smell. Raves are directed by the house disc jockey, who spins every Wednesday and Friday at Mulligan's. The sense of taste, which is considered to be the most important of the five senses, will be guided by the bar staff of Mulligan's and selected drinks specials each night. For details, call 542-1095. ~~~~~~ I'm keeping on open mind. ;) Do you think the above is a good thing despite its perversion from what we're used to? Anyways, maybe I can get the promoter to bring in some guests from San Francisco. Hehe, the Levi's commercial of the junglist spinning in a country bar comes to mind. If any of you dj's are interested let me know and I'll drop some names when I get up there. So I'm going to be up there all winter snowboarding, poor me. But what the hell am I gonna do at night? I wonder if they have a strong underground scene. Anyways, i'm looking forward to an sfraves Tahoe snow party. Peace George From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 00:02:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11316 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 00:02:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 11307 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 00:02:25 -0000 Received: from iceland-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO iceland.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.28) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 00:02:25 -0000 Received: from 38.10.6.194 (ip194.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net [38.10.6.194]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09864; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:02:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3462A0FF.7766@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 05:02:55 +0000 From: Fate Reply-To: rewindop@earthlink.net Organization: Up N Running X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lara at vibe.org" CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hip-hop (nrr? who knoze) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk lara at vibe.org wrote: > > Moshe's totally fucking right. > To dis hip-hop is to dis the basis of techno. Do you understand how much > influence hip-hop has had on our scene? Apparently not. Go brush up on > your reading. I have mad respect to the hip-hop scene, and without it > where'd our scene be today? There'd be... Pretty much... Nothing! Shit, > would jungle even exist? > All I know is that when I heard hip-hop at Halloween Tribal Massive, well > I was skeptica, but yanno, if I had felt more functional that night I > would have spent quite some time in there because sometimes it's nice to > chill to some nice beats and rhymes and shit, you can do so much > SCRATCHING with hip-hop it's insane!! I mean come on. It's not for > everyone > I agree, but don't dis something that's done wonders for your scene. > ya dig?? > prolly not, but i don't care. > xo > lara To Dis Hip Hop is not Dissing Techno because most of the Hip Hop Beats were stolen from early funk and "techno" Groups!! Listen to any old "Dance" Oreiented Recads and you will hear such groups as KraftWerk(which i might add gains no respect amoung Ravers). Jungle may have come from Hip Hop and B-boy music Like Mantronix and the like but techno is many more strands than just "Hip Hop". Listen to Some Tangerine Dream and Visage and perhaps even some B.A.D. Fate out.... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 00:06:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12997 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 00:06:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 12988 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 00:06:19 -0000 Received: from ws100.eisinet.com (HELO eisinet.com) (206.159.237.101) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 00:06:19 -0000 Received: from EISIHQ-Message_Server by eisinet.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:07:00 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:06:52 -0800 From: Veann Cao To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.ORG Subject: NRR: need info on that OFFICE JOKE Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk someone posted a joke on what to do at the office list of things a while back.. er yeah. um can't remember but it was a list of things like "page yourself over the intercom" things.. if you have it could you PLEEEEEZE email it to me. thaanks! :) -veann From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 00:18:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17707 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 00:18:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 17697 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 00:18:06 -0000 Received: from iceland-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO iceland.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.28) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 00:18:06 -0000 Received: from 38.10.6.194 (ip194.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net [38.10.6.194]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16638; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:17:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3462A4AD.207F@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 05:18:37 +0000 From: Fate Reply-To: rewindop@earthlink.net Organization: Up N Running X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Customer Service CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: so what's up w/ jungle djs? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Customer Service wrote: > > are they matching beats or not? > > playing 2 beats at the same time? I really can't picture it. > the beats are so fast and scattered. > > or are they doing other tricks...cross-slam, dropping on the breaks, back > and forth real quick? > start/stop, scratch with the elbows, tweaking the bassknobs, yadda-yadda? > > Still trainwrecking beatless ambient, > > b > o > o > m > e f i d g e t > r > a > n > g H > ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr > ARETH > EFACTSYO > UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- > > \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// > "...the end of all our exploring > will be to arrive where we started > and know the place for the first time." > - t.s. eliot If your Scratching with your Elbow are you really Djing??? I thought that a dj was suppossed to be Crafty at "the Mix" not slamming in the beats???? Fate From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 00:23:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18716 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 00:23:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 18706 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 00:23:30 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 00:23:30 -0000 Received: from hikaru-mccarthy (ppp-206-170-33-137.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.33.137]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id QAA29857; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:23:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3463AE2D.54B4@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:11:25 -0800 From: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" Reply-To: mickeymc@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-PBWG (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Chan CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: raves in tahoe!? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk George Chan wrote: > > I'm moving to Tahoe for the winter and while perusing the the Tahoe Daily > Tribune, I came across this article/ad. Rewritten without their > permission. > > ~~~~ > Rave at Mulligan's > > Mulligan's Irish Pub is experimenting with a cutting-edge form of > entertainment for Lake Tahoe. > > It's called the House Rave. > > Raves, which are fast becoming the most popuar form of entertainment in > Europe and big cities in America, are an atmospheric journey for the five > senses: sight, sound, touch, and smell. > > Raves are directed by the house disc jockey, who spins every Wednesday and > Friday at Mulligan's. The sense of taste, which is considered to be the > most important of the five senses, will be guided by the bar staff of > Mulligan's and selected drinks specials each night. > > For details, call 542-1095. > > ~~~~~~ > > I'm keeping on open mind. ;) Do you think the above is a good thing > despite its perversion from what we're used to? Anyways, maybe I can get > the promoter to bring in some guests from San Francisco. Hehe, the Levi's > commercial of the junglist spinning in a country bar comes to mind. If > any of you dj's are interested let me know and I'll drop some names when I > get up there. > > So I'm going to be up there all winter snowboarding, poor me. But what > the hell am I gonna do at night? I wonder if they have a strong > underground scene. Anyways, i'm looking forward to an sfraves Tahoe > snow party. > > Peace > George Hey hey... I'm makin plans to move up to Tahoe this winter with my friend too... gonna go up on Monday to look fer jobs and get alla the housin and that kinda crap organised... but I'm wonderin what kind of scene is goin on up there and how many of us are located up there? yo crazee jibbah From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 00:31:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21265 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 00:31:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 21159 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 00:31:10 -0000 Received: from mail3.sirius.com (205.134.253.133) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 00:31:10 -0000 Received: from [205.134.227.11] (ppp-asft01--011.sirius.net [205.134.227.11]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id QAA06180 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:31:05 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: silent@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:25:12 -1000 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: silent@sirius.com (silent records) Subject: loveworks dancing Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk this saturday november 08 the loveworks organisation presents: l o v e w o r k s d a n c i n g ' a saturday night disco adventure ' featuring dj matt valenz on a solo mission ( dani's still in the u k but will be back soon ! ) your hosts: dianna jacobs / mark evans / nori castillo / angelica gatekeeper: robnoxious free * free * free * free * free * free * free * free * free ( small donations appreciated and accepted ) nine >>> two @ the 111 minna street gallery btwn 2nd / new montgomery / mission / howard love laughs incense flowers candles 5 hours of the deepest, roughest house music on this planet full info: 415 646 0744 love and respect... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 00:36:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22672 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 00:35:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 22662 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 00:35:55 -0000 Received: from sweden-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO sweden.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 00:35:55 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (1Cust34.tnt11.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.31.34]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13139 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:35:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3463B742.5668@earthlink.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:50:10 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Food, Fun & All You Crazy Kids! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Tracy here. My new place is in Oakland... up in the hills where the sunset is beautiful! I have a nice sized terraced backyard area and a nice porch on the side of the house. I'm very blessed to have stumbled across this lil' gem! It's not the Taj Mahal, but it will host a nice little get-together for all of us. I'm thinking of having it on a Friday day into the evening kinda thing since I work on Sat & Sun. It'll probably be within the next few weeks so as to ring in the holiday spirit with friendship and fellowship. Whaddaya tinks? Who knows... maybe it'll be a bit chilly and I can initiate my fireplace? Now those are the kind of flames I can get into! -TRACY aurora8@earthlink.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 00:53:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27447 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 00:53:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 27435 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 00:53:21 -0000 Received: from smtp.exploretech.com (HELO explore-nt.exploretech.com) (38.245.192.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 00:53:21 -0000 Received: from customer ([38.245.192.94]) by explore-nt.exploretech.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA01993; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:53:41 -0800 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:53:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19971107165538.4d6f7a82@exploretech.com> X-Sender: cporter@exploretech.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: mickeymc@pacbell.net, George Chan From: Christopher Porter Subject: Re: farms in Tahoe? Moooo.... kinda NRR Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 04:11 PM 11/7/97 -0800, mickeymc@pacbell.net wrote: > I'm makin plans to move up to Tahoe this winter with my friend too... >gonna go up on Monday to look fer jobs and get alla the housin and that >kinda crap organised... but I'm wonderin what kind of scene is >goin on up there and how many of us are located up there? I used to live up there, years ago (82-84). I imagine you're as likely to find an underground scene there as in... oh say... Turlock. In other words, not very likely. I remember it as...uh... trailer park-esque. Things could have changed I suppose.... I'd be interested to hear about the job/housing situation. I remember the local economy as being pretty bad, but the housing was dirt cheap. I used to live in a sweet condo across the street from Stage Coach ski lodge. If you move in during the summer, when they can't get tenants, you get the same rental rates for the winter. We paid $275 for a pretty nice place. If you're looking for cheap, try South Lake Tahoe, if you're looking for nice, try Zephyr Cove (I lived in both...) Memories... all alone in tha...Mooooonlight.... --ChrisP From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 00:53:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27952 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 00:53:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 27941 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 00:53:44 -0000 Received: from ella.mills.edu (144.91.3.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 00:53:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 22582 invoked by uid 2699); 7 Nov 1997 16:52:55 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:52:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Priscilla M. Martinez" To: Aurora8 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Food, Fun & All You Crazy Kids! In-Reply-To: <3463B742.5668@earthlink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk WoW!! that sounds WondErfUL!! just say when and where and i will be there with some good food to share:) thanks for offering your place sweetie (Tracy) i hope everyone has an AMaZiNg weekend whatever you do. take care dears. con amor y paz priscilla On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Aurora8 wrote: > Tracy here. My new place is in Oakland... up in the hills where the > sunset is beautiful! I have a nice sized terraced backyard area and a > nice porch on the side of the house. I'm very blessed to have stumbled > across this lil' gem! It's not the Taj Mahal, but it will host a nice > little get-together for all of us. I'm thinking of having it on a Friday > day into the evening kinda thing since I work on Sat & Sun. It'll > probably be within the next few weeks so as to ring in the holiday > spirit with friendship and fellowship. Whaddaya tinks? Who knows... > maybe it'll be a bit chilly and I can initiate my fireplace? Now those > are the kind of flames I can get into! > -TRACY > aurora8@earthlink.net > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 00:59:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29624 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 00:59:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 29615 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 00:59:44 -0000 Received: from linex1.linex.com (HELO relay.linex.net) (199.4.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 00:59:44 -0000 Received: from linex4.linex.com (linex4.linex.com [206.54.38.14]) by relay.linex.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29108 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from linex.linex.com by linex4.linex.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA26088; Fri, 7 Nov 97 16:58:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:58:41 -0800 (PST) From: aminita To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Sunday!Free!!! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk So there's a FREEE party at Pt. Molante on Sunday!! Yippiee!! i love kickin it on Sundays and just relaxing to rockin beats!! 12 monkeys is doin it if that means anything to you guys- didn't to me. Well hopefully I will see some of you there!!!!!!!!!!!! :) aminita From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 01:04:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1640 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 01:04:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 1631 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 01:04:42 -0000 Received: from linex1.linex.com (HELO relay.linex.net) (199.4.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 01:04:42 -0000 Received: from linex4.linex.com (linex4.linex.com [206.54.38.14]) by relay.linex.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA29248; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:04:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from linex.linex.com by linex4.linex.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA26102; Fri, 7 Nov 97 17:03:55 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:03:39 -0800 (PST) From: aminita To: Aurora8 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Food, Fun & All You Crazy Kids! In-Reply-To: <3463B742.5668@earthlink.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Dope!! I will be there as long as it's after the next two weeks. I work Fridays til midnight. I could come late, but like you said you have work on Sat and so do I. Otherwise it sounds like FUN!! aminita On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Aurora8 wrote: > Tracy here. My new place is in Oakland... up in the hills where the > sunset is beautiful! I have a nice sized terraced backyard area and a > nice porch on the side of the house. I'm very blessed to have stumbled > across this lil' gem! It's not the Taj Mahal, but it will host a nice > little get-together for all of us. I'm thinking of having it on a Friday > day into the evening kinda thing since I work on Sat & Sun. It'll > probably be within the next few weeks so as to ring in the holiday > spirit with friendship and fellowship. Whaddaya tinks? Who knows... > maybe it'll be a bit chilly and I can initiate my fireplace? Now those > are the kind of flames I can get into! > -TRACY > aurora8@earthlink.net > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 01:23:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5787 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 01:23:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 5771 invoked by uid 24); 8 Nov 1997 01:23:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 22616 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 21:35:27 -0000 Received: from fillmore.criticalpath.net (209.104.216.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 21:35:27 -0000 Received: (cpmta 15622 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 21:34:45 GMT Received: from baal.cp.domain.net (HELO baal) (baal@209.104.216.65) by mail.criticalpath.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 21:34:45 GMT X-CriticalPath-Timestamp: 7 Nov 1997 21:34:45 GMT From: "Brendan Braybrook" To: Subject: Re: hey all u ravers and clubers Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:34:32 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcebc4$efb141e0$41d868d1@baal.cp.domain.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >south philadelphia accents (yo!) constitute gibberish? why should the written word >always be in the queen's english? damn the british! well, actually, american english is slightly different than "the queen's english", or international english. most notably would be the dropping of the u from many ou words (colour/color, honour/honor, etc). i read a style guide from one of the canadian newspapers a while ago and in it they mentioned that they were dropping the u as well, as they saw a trend to move away from the spelling in general... if you spell a word phonetically, you run the risk of someone who pronouces the word differently not understanding what you are saying (i.e. pronouncing "route" as "root" or "rowt" (my phonetic spelling is a little off, sorry). a mild risk, but a real one nonetheless. if you want to communicate efficiently and well, then you converse in a manner that is condusive to that communication. it wouldn't be effective, for example, for me to walk up to someone on the street (well, anywhere but san francisco) and start talking about NAPs, NOCs, POPs, etc.. as i wouldn't be getting much accomplished. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 01:36:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9762 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 01:36:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 9730 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 01:35:59 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 01:35:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 29879 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 23:51:45 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 23:51:45 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961107154704.00c71a7c@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 15:47:04 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: name that dance In-Reply-To: <19971107191456.10806.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I saw this guy doing what i would call: "the speed racer" [just about anything with a high-energy beat] head down, left arm up and partially in a fist swinging/twisting left and right like on the top of a steering wheel, right arm and hand wiggling and jerkin' around like going beserk on a gearshift, rest of his body jumpin' around and shakin his booty to the beat.... it was pretty funky... he was high on *something*... maybe life. peace -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 02:23:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16898 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 02:23:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 16889 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 02:23:36 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 02:23:36 -0000 Received: (from ldylove@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VYK16783; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 21:23:10 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:50:46 -0800 Subject: they know Message-ID: <19971107.181629.5903.1.ldylove@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-14 From: ldylove@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Raves are no longer underground!! I just saw the Teenage Mutant Turtles throwing a rave on TV. It had cutie little raver girls, big hats and glitter everywhere. MIchelangelo was at the turntables. They even called it a rave Beware, we will soon be invaded by hundreds of ten year olds ready to boogie as sonn as they are finshed watchin the afterschool special. sillyness sometimes makes me smile RLove From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 02:50:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21403 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 02:50:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 21384 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 02:50:48 -0000 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (mayer@192.100.81.115) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 02:50:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) with SMTP id SAA27946; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:50:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711080250.SAA27946@netcom7.netcom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: netcom7.netcom.com: mayer@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, idm@hyperreal.org, emulator@listserver.wineasy.se, bpm@dhp.com, groovi-music@netcom.com, Rob Rayle Subject: FYI -- some music-making synth web sites and mailing lists Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 18:50:38 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Three new lists y'all might want to know about -- feel free to forward this to any other people/lists interested in this. Not many people on these lists (yet), so I thought I'd fwd this info so that interested parties would join in. I'm especially interested in seeing a population of people join the Jp-8000 list (since I own one myself): http://www.jp8k.net Roland JP-8000 users subscribe to list via jp8k-request@jp8k.net or URL above http://www.mc505.net Roland MC-505 users subscribe to list via mc505-request@mc505.net or URL above http://www.groovesource.net a general site for all groovers everywhere (e.g. other synths, software, samplers) subscribe to list via groovesource-request@groovesource.net or URL above -------------------- Also, "groovelist" is an old & established list for discussing the MC-303 groovebox -- unfortunately, it's kinda high-volume, low S/N and often contains lots of topics other than making music with the MC-303... Nonetheless, it is a useful list, and the web-site associated with the list is also excellent: http://www.mc303.net Roland MC-303 "groovebox" users subscribe to list via groovelist-request@mc303.net or URL above PS: thanks to Pat Brenner for setting up these lists and web-sites. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ==>> Niels Mayer (mayer@netcom.com) <<== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 03:01:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23950 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 03:01:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 23941 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 03:01:26 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 03:01:26 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id TAA22602 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bret by cats-po-1 (8.8.8/4.8) id TAA01674; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:01:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3463D602.5FD9@cats.ucsc.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:01:22 -0800 From: Bret Veach Reply-To: bmveach@cats.ucsc.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yeah Lara! I dig this post quite a bit. Too many people do judge a book by it's cover. Bret lara at vibe.org wrote: > > Ravers are all types of people. > Read stereotypes below (not my opinionz). > > Yanno what I really hate? Those kids who wear Polo Sport at > parties. I mean who the fuck do they think they are? They spend all this > money on these clothes that don't look any better than something that > comes from Ross or Mervyn's, and it's like a status symbol. TOTAL label > WHORES! I hate it! What are they trying to prove? Isn't it stupid?? > > *** what a label WHORE might say: HEY I like Polo sport, Tommy, Nautica, > whatever. I dress in Polo > tbecause I have the money to spend on the clothes, and I like looking > good, I like feeling good about myself. Polo Sport has some really TIGHT > ASS looking clothes, that look good on me, so why not? I have the extra > cash and I just like the label. I'm not trying to prove anytthing by > wearing it. So what if it's popular. tons of raver kids wear jnco's but > think nothing of it. Polo Sport may not be a rave-clothing line, and alot > of kids wear it, but alot of kids wear it becaus it's a quality line of > clothing. I'm choosing to wear what i want, what's so wrong with that? > > Yanno what I really hate? Those Candy-raver-type kidthings. I mean > come on, are they pedophiles or what? It's all a contest to see who's the > cutest! They're totally missing the whole point of raving and dressing up > like little kids, prancing around embarrasing themselves!!! they > should grow up! SOOOO > IMMATURE~! FREAKS!!! > > *** what a candyRAVER might say: Hey, I think dressing up like this is > HELLA FUN! You don't get to dress > like this everyday, so why not? it makes me feel like an individual and > unique, and hey, i love the colors of teh rainbow, they're beautiful and > not put to use enough in the world. i like creating new outfits for each > party, it gives me something to do and the chance to utilize my talent and > creativity! i feel i look cute, yes, and that's how i want to look! why > should i dress in jeans and a shirt when i can look as neat as this! it's > totally not about status, it's all about making myself feel good about > myself. what's so wrong with that? > > now here are MY two cents on the whole topic (DISCLAIMER: anything written > before this last sentence has been a portrayl of stereotypes, and merely a > display of different views, to make the below point) > > Yanno what I really hate? How we (yes, I include myself here > because we are ALl at fault at one point in our life) assume that there is > ONE type of raver, and that one type is right. As if there's a RAVER > uniform (and this applies to all other PEOPLE too, not just ravers). To be > honest, I have Polo Sport shirts that a friend gave me, and I wear them > all the time now. I don't think "HEY this makes me cool," if anything, I > think "hey, I look good in this, it's fuckin COMFORTABLE, it's FLY, I like > it." I DO like it/ It's my style. I own Jnco's. I wear candybracelets on > occasion. I wear baggy clothes as a general rule to hide my BIG HUGE > ASS!!!!! Which I hope to god never is revealed to any of you. :) > You might sit there in your "perfect" outfit, your "raving gear" > whatever. But just remember this: for every person you're staring at > saying "they're stupid to wear that," there's someone staring at you > thinking the same damn thing. If you don't like what someone's wearing, > TOUGH FUCKING SHIT. Chances are there's someone who hates what you're > wearing as well. > There is no right way to dress at a party. There is no wrong way (ok, > naked may be taking it a bit far). There is no dress code at parties, and > thank god for that! If people wanna walk around in little tightass skirts, > so be it, it's their perogative. If people wanna walk around in pants so > big they fall down without a belt, well that's me, and it's comfortable. > And hides your ass. So be it. if people wanna wear fuzzy pants and > glitter, so be it. Let them > alone. The way people dress is the way tehy will be. If kids wanna conform > and be label whores, let them. It's THEIR money they're wasting, not > YOURS. It's called freedom of expression, or freedom to waive your right > to expression and wear what everyone else is wearing. The least of your > worries should be waht other people are wearing at parties. > If kids like Tommy Hilfiger, let them wear it. If kids like fuzzy > pants, let them wear it. ahh repetition, i love it, don't you? Just listen > to this> > DO NOT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER. Not all Tommy-kids are > bunk-E-Dealing assholes, I know a shitload of wonderful > Tommy/Polo-kidz > with mad respekt to the scene and positive energy. that have, by the way, > TOTALLY contributed positively to the scene. Not all Candy-kids are > shallow twits who OD on drugs, i knowplenty of them as well with positive > energy and all that fun stuff too. > WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS. There are twits who wear plain old clothes they'd > wear to school every day. There are bunk-E-dealing assholes who wear torn > jeans and a shirt. There's no right to categorize people by the way they > dress, and there's no room for petty bullshit like this in our scene. We > should be focusing on REAL issues if anything, such as WHY ARE OUR KIDS > OVERDOSING? and LET'S GET MORE JUNGLE OUT HERE FROM THE UK (hehe)... > ya dig? > > ... > xo > lara From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 03:14:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26216 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 03:13:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 26207 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 03:13:55 -0000 Received: from puertopollo.lucasarts.com (firewall-user@204.71.70.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 03:13:55 -0000 Received: by puertopollo.lucasarts.com; id TAA06455; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:06:51 -0800 Received: from fandango.lucasarts.com(144.0.100.82) by puertopollo.lucasarts.com via smap (3.2) id xma006451; Fri, 7 Nov 97 19:06:27 -0800 Received: from tanis.lucaslearning.com (tanis [144.0.230.20]) by fandango.lucasarts.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA28178 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by tanis.lucaslearning.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:12:07 -0800 Message-ID: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211ACDF1@tanis.lucaslearning.com> From: Josh Damon Williams To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" Subject: suggestion? Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:12:06 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk any suggestions out there for something to do tonight in sf (conventional answers prefered but not mandatory...) like thanks and stuff -jdw From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 03:25:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27389 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 03:25:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 27379 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 03:25:07 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 03:25:07 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WIH23707; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:24:25 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. Message-ID: <19971107.192418.3223.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> References: <3463D602.5FD9@cats.ucsc.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-14 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:24:25 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:01:22 -0800 Bret Veach writes: >Yeah Lara! I dig this post quite a bit. Too many people do judge a >book by it's cover. not me i never judge a book by its cover...i always open it up, check the batteries...the hard drive and size of the memory. Its also a good idea to look for evidence of being dropped.. cause that can cause problems too. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 04:27:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5532 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 04:27:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 5523 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 04:27:36 -0000 Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.119.93) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 04:27:36 -0000 Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id XAA29404; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:27:34 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id XAA09352; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:27:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:27:33 -0500 (EST) From: LAKSMI To: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" cc: George Chan , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: raves in tahoe!? In-Reply-To: <3463AE2D.54B4@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ummm... there really isn't a "scene" up here. It's Tahoe. We have a K-Mart and that's a big deal. The economy up here is so harsh that people have to seriously work it to pay rent. Not alot of time to spin rekkids and throw parties. We're a tourism based economy that is as fickle as the weather. It's well worth the lack of parties and good tunes to get to ride every morning though ;) *********************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forests, go naked in the summertime that you regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. J.W. Parsons *********************************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 04:38:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7136 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 04:38:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 7127 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 04:38:53 -0000 Received: from mrin85.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin85.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.195) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 04:38:53 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin85.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA04281; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:38:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:38:25 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971107233823_-1408403114@mrin85.mail.aol.com> To: Faro@usa.net, byroni@ccnet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: So when are we all going to meet???BLAKE Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I want all of to meet eachother and I think we should all wear cute little name tagz.....wouldnt that be fun....ok maybe not just a thought......hey BLAKE are you out there reading these....just a thought but where do YOU think we should all meet?????HINT HINT HINT.....I think a little pot luck movie watching and whatever else comes along would be fun....Im thinking a party with about 20-30 of.....we have lots of turntables and lots of nifty little DJ's....I think that would be so fun....now we need the perfect house......hmmmmmm.....blake????????I love you!!!!!!! What do you say???? Love your shmooshy Mushy marshmello Melissa....<3<3<3<3<3 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 05:16:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12239 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 05:16:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 12229 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 05:16:21 -0000 Received: from mail2.sirius.com (205.134.253.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 05:16:21 -0000 Received: from sirius.com (ppp-asft01--029.sirius.net [205.134.227.29]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id VAA14669 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:16:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3463F57A.EE5BE89C@sirius.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 21:15:38 -0800 From: Bruce McDonough X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Space Urgently Needed for this Sunday! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello, although it's been a while since i used this list, i am definitely part of this community. Since my first full moon over 4 years ago, i've been part of this scene. My friend, DJ E-Rock is planning a party for this Sunday, Nov. 11, with many excellent DJs confirmed already (Solar, Galen, Vajra, Sonic, Jose, Cesar, E-Rock, etc.. impressive, huh?). Originally planned to be a day-night outdoors beach party, it is supposed to rain. So now they need an indoor space (about noon til late evening is the idea). This won't be that big. Trance is the word. If anyone has or knows of anything, call E-Rock at 986-3134/922-8260 or me (Bruce) at 703-0067 or email: glow@sirius.com asap. (all 415 numbers) thanks much and ((((((big hugs))))))) e PLURibus unum, Bruce glow@sirius.com (btw- if anyone knows Capt. Crunch (John Draper) could you give him my address?) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 06:25:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21530 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 06:25:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 21520 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 06:25:12 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 06:25:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA20328; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:25:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:25:52 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: "Neves, Kathleen" cc: "'SF Raves'" Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk did you read it all carefully kathleen? my point was that stereotypes such as these (which i made up off the top of my head, gathering the stereotypes from things i heard @ parties) are WRONG. i agree the scene is about love and respect for each other, that was my whole and complete point, that the label on your ass or the back of your shirt IS NOTHING! love the whole person, not the clothes. and read carefully. lara On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Neves, Kathleen wrote: > I am really ashamed of whoever originated this post and to those whom > are responding in support of it. Have you all forgot the true essence > of our scene's existence? > > I thought all of our scene was built around the LOVE AND RESPECT FOR > EACH OTHER as well as the music. Who cares if someone wears Polo or > Jnco. If what someone is wearing is such a big issue, then I think you > have lost the whole point of this entire culture. > > And then this morning, I see these postings of put down on what other > fellow ravers wear? That is ridiculous. I can't believe this garbage > has seen the light of day on this list. Shame on you. > > Disgusted With a Huge Sad Face, > Kathleen Neves > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 06:32:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23351 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 06:32:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 23342 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 06:31:58 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 06:31:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA20507; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:32:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:32:31 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: Layne Loomis cc: Aurora8 , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! In-Reply-To: <19971107182348.1629.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i'm down .. if you'll have my rude ass! :) lara On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Layne Loomis wrote: > This sounds like a great idea. Who else is down? > > LL > > > > > ---Aurora8 wrote: > > > > Okay... I've been trying to figure out a way to > meet you guys. I've > > tried to set up meeting spots @ parties. I've tried > to e some of you & > > get you to meet me @ parties. I've even offered > rides to y'all. I'M AN > > OLD LADY PEOPLE! My bod ain't what it used to be > and my arthritis is > > actin' up. Is the only way I can get you to > participate in getting to > > know each other by ordering you all to make some > food, bring it to my > > house and SOCIALIZE DAG NABBIT!?!?! I bet I could > even get some > > benevolent DJs to spin a few and liven the place up > a bit you (I'm > > assuming y'all are as old & tired as I am and > that's why you're so > > stubborn & obstinate!) Bah! > > An SFRaves Potluck of sorts. The SFRaves Senior > Citizen Potluck & > > Mixer (those who are as old as I will know what a > mixer is. I guess > > it'll have a double meaning) Oh farrr crrryin' > outloud! I'm a chef. I'll > > even get up off my arse and prepare a thing or 2. I > even have a nice new > > house to host-ess it in. After-all, a nice jewish > mutha can only do so > > much for her kids. > > Is anybody down? > > -TRACY > > aurora8@earthlink.net > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 06:33:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23920 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 06:33:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 23911 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 06:33:03 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 06:33:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA20542; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:33:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:33:32 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: blkadder@value.net cc: just jer , Aurora8 , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ack. remind me to stay on Black Adder's good side ;) On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 blkadder@value.net wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, just jer wrote: > > > I'm totally down fer something like that! =) > > but careful..... what about the people who've flamed back and forth and > > have grudges against each other? > > Eat them. > > Black Adder > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 06:53:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27763 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 06:52:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 27754 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 06:52:58 -0000 Received: from italy-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO italy.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 06:52:58 -0000 Received: from [153.34.226.57] (1Cust57.max40.san-francisco2.ca.ms.uu.net [153.34.226.57]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA04538; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:52:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711080652.WAA04538@italy.it.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: so what's up w/ jungle djs? (dope shit!) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 22:53:41 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: hak1 To: "Customer Service" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk come on.... this is such a rudimentary question. OF COURSE we're matching beats. it's just in a different light of what most 4/4 dj's do. if you listen to jungle notice how it works on a half-step beat. listen for the bassline or the bass. you'll see that it's half speed of the breaks. that's one way to match. but the sure fire way is to match to the snare/or hi-hat/or oHH/ whateva gets you going...... it's relatively easy. but, for my case, i learned to match old chi-town trax records back, then moved on to hardcore (which still had a 4/4 essence to it), then just the stripped down beats that is jungle today...... haK ps. any junglist's look coming moving shadow 117 (matrix+optical) hed fuk pressa! listen up, you'll here it in my set and forthcoming tape..... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 07:28:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29927 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 07:28:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 29918 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 07:28:38 -0000 Received: from mrin51.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin51.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.161) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 07:28:38 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin51.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA05510; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:28:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:28:10 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971108022809_1902992086@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: veannc@eisinet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Naked***-type ravers..... Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/7/97 3:22:01 PM, you wrote: <> ME ME ME hehee party naked!! lol From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 10:11:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1924 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 10:11:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 1915 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 10:11:34 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 10:11:34 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id FAA03250; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 05:11:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 05:11:07 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971108051106_85930120@mrin39> To: bmveach@cats.ucsc.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ***HEY ALL OF YOU****><{{{*>~guess what..... Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Guess what!!!!!! We are throwing our first party! It will be this sunday Nov. 9 from 12 noon---6pm!! It will be at Pier 66!!!! Yeah!!! We really need your support. It was going to be free but the spot ended up costing a lot more than we thought. We are asking for a $3.00 donation...that's not too bad....we have a whole new line up of DJ's that I bet none of you have heard of....we call ourselves THE CORE...trying to keep what is real...true. Our DJ line up is as follows... *DJcatnip *Toby *Derek *Joe Brown I hope some of you can show up....we have no idea how the turnout will be. But guess what...you can meet me yeah!!! I am personally inviting all of you to come join our tribe of love and purity....it should be a lot of fun....Our vibe is from the core of our souls and we have just one rule....no drama. That's it...hope to see you all there! SUNDAY>>>12-6PM<<>>PIER 66<<<$3.00>>>I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!! HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BLAKE BLAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 18:00:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20044 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 18:00:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 20026 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 18:00:31 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 18:00:31 -0000 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) id <01IPRH88C1N4934QRP@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:00:26 PDT Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 10:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Doreen Subject: Re: (srr) what i KNOW about ***-type ravers.. To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <01IPRH88DDV6934QRP@SONOMA.EDU> X-VMS-To: SMTP%"sfraves@hyperreal.org" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk it shouldn't matter if i wear freshjive or liz claiborne. i don't think that stereotyping ravers is good, whoever lara@vibe.org is.. j/k. i'm full of shit. (hi la-rah...) _doreen_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 18:05:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21224 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 18:05:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21212 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 18:05:00 -0000 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.115) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 18:05:00 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id KAA08030; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:04:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:04:57 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: (srr) what i KNOW about ***-type ravers.. To: Doreen cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <01IPRH88DDV6934QRP@SONOMA.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yeah, who does this lara@vibe.org person think she is?! :D:D :D :pPpPPPPp I love you Lara!!! :) -Uncle Noah, lablewhore np: Run-DMC "My Adidas" On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Doreen wrote: > it shouldn't matter if i wear freshjive or liz claiborne. i don't > think that stereotyping ravers is good, whoever lara@vibe.org is.. > j/k. i'm full of shit. (hi la-rah...) > > > _doreen_ > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 18:05:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21757 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 18:05:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 21748 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 18:05:36 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 18:05:36 -0000 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) id <01IPRHEZHJ0W934QRP@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:05:31 PDT Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 10:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Doreen Subject: el nino, solar flares, etc. To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <01IPRHEZIV8Y934QRP@SONOMA.EDU> X-VMS-To: SMTP%"sfraves@hyperreal.org" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk wow, so *that's* why i've been acting weird.. or is it everybody except me? i think this is sort of a half-ass good idea: you know on HWY 37 where you have to go over that bridge and it says 'check your headlights' or something? what if it said "check your head". do you think a lot of people would? or would they disregard it like it said 'speed limit 55'? just a thought... _doreen_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 18:45:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29303 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 18:45:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 29287 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 18:45:11 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 18:45:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02411; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:45:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:45:51 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: Doreen cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (srr) what i KNOW about ***-type ravers.. In-Reply-To: <01IPRH88DDV6934QRP@SONOMA.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk just who the hell is this costad@sonoma.edu character? and why should we listen to her? ;) doreen i miss u watch out i'm gonna raid you again someday soon! xo lara On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Doreen wrote: > it shouldn't matter if i wear freshjive or liz claiborne. i don't > think that stereotyping ravers is good, whoever lara@vibe.org is.. > j/k. i'm full of shit. (hi la-rah...) > > > _doreen_ > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 18:47:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 553 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 18:47:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 544 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 18:47:37 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 18:47:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02506; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:47:57 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:47:54 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: Noah Apodaca cc: Doreen , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (srr) what i KNOW about ***-type ravers.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk HEY! what is this bullshit? I'M ME!!!!!!!! COME ON, DOn"T YOU GUYS REMEMBER ME?!?!?! am i really THAT out of the loop? jeez!!! *crawling under her rock* it's comfy under here i ain't comin out unless you're gonna be nice! ;))) *polo sport is da shit* and so are candy kids and so are those jnco kids who get paid to wear jnco at parties (hi welden and niel if you're out there!) xo lara .... FOREVER WEARING WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT AND FOREVER A RENEGADE JUNGLIST! On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Noah Apodaca wrote: > > Yeah, who does this lara@vibe.org person think she is?! :D:D :D :pPpPPPPp > > I love you Lara!!! :) > > -Uncle Noah, lablewhore > > > np: Run-DMC "My Adidas" > > > > > > On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Doreen wrote: > > > it shouldn't matter if i wear freshjive or liz claiborne. i don't > > think that stereotyping ravers is good, whoever lara@vibe.org is.. > > j/k. i'm full of shit. (hi la-rah...) > > > > > > _doreen_ > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 18:51:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1631 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 18:51:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 1620 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 18:51:01 -0000 Received: from liberty5.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.165) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 18:51:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 3803 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 1997 18:50:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19971108185033.3802.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Nov 1997 10:50:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "Wonder Family" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: dhchung@hyperreal.org Subject: Wonder (bsp) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 10:50:33 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Wonder November 14, 1997 DJ's Vlad Li AndyW Macadio Mystr-e Deepfog Siphon vs Science 64k vs Boomerang Fidget Beautiful, Location Main room visuals by Sonti and low tech Blacklights by Blacklight Dave (insight), and Marcos open deck/experimental room. sign up now by emailing this adress or leaving a messege on our voicemail. 300 limited tix. Presales available at F-8 on haight in San Francisco. 408-538-5600 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 18:55:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2785 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 18:55:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 2772 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 18:55:42 -0000 Received: from f62.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.148) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 18:55:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 4603 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 1997 18:55:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19971108185514.4602.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Nov 1997 10:55:14 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "Wonder Family" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 10:55:14 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Wonder November 14, 1997 DJ's Vlad Li AndyW Macadio Mystr-e Deepfog Siphon vs Science 64k vs Boomerang Fidget Beautiful, Location Main room visuals by Sonti and low tech Blacklights by Blacklight Dave (insight), and Marcos open deck/experimental room. sign up now by emailing this adress or leaving a messege on our voicemail. 300 limited tix. Presales available at F-8 on haight in San Francisco. 408-538-5600 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 18:59:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3511 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 18:59:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 3493 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 18:59:00 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 18:59:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02932; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:59:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:59:34 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: Wonder Family cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, dhchung@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Wonder (bsp) In-Reply-To: <19971108185033.3802.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey who is this! :) it's me lara, and amanda might be coming down next weekend, so i wanna reserve 2 tix for us. i told andy i'd come help set up and if i do it'll be me and amanda. so reserve 2 soemthings for us in any way shape or form ok? xo lara On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Wonder Family wrote: > Wonder > > November 14, 1997 > > DJ's > > Vlad > Li > AndyW > Macadio > Mystr-e > Deepfog > Siphon vs Science > 64k vs Boomerang Fidget > > Beautiful, Location > Main room visuals by Sonti and low tech > Blacklights by Blacklight Dave (insight), and Marcos > > open deck/experimental room. sign up now by emailing this adress or > leaving a messege on our voicemail. > > 300 limited tix. > Presales available at F-8 on haight in San Francisco. > > 408-538-5600 > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 19:37:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11075 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 19:37:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 11066 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 19:37:21 -0000 Received: from f110.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.229) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 19:37:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 16288 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 1997 19:36:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19971108193654.16286.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.155.41.41 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Nov 1997 11:36:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.155.41.41] From: "_Suger_ Sweetner" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: What's the Haps Tonight.... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 11:36:54 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey there... all... looking for something phunky.... with phat bass... and a good vibe... any reccomendations........ ? Thanks... SugeR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 20:15:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15464 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 20:15:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15454 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 20:15:47 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 20:15:47 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA22171; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:13:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca9-57.ix.netcom.com(207.93.148.121) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022159; Sat Nov 8 14:13:31 1997 Message-ID: <30A10F7E.9434A0C1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 12:13:50 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainmnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAKSMI CC: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" , George Chan , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: raves in tahoe!? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk YES there is a new place called ELEVATIONS that just opened up in Taho City (North Shore) It used to be called Humpties, but was just (2 weeks ago) purchased by friends of mine and is being turned into an exelent "Rave" spot. The owners are two of the coolest people I have the plesure of calling my friends. I encourage evryone planing a trip to tahoe to stop by after a day on the slopes. It is in Tahoe City on the main road across the street from the safeway. There is a great view of the lake, and the motife is awsome. On saturday nights they bring up dj's from SF. the next month they have booked Garth, Carlos, Galen, and a few others. No info number yet, but i will post it when i get it. I think they are listed with 411 under Elevations, in Tahoe City... area code 916. Keep it Real Vlad LAKSMI wrote: > Ummm... there really isn't a "scene" up here. It's Tahoe. We have a > K-Mart and that's a big deal. The economy up here is so harsh that people > have to seriously work it to pay rent. Not alot of time to spin rekkids > and throw parties. We're a tourism based economy that is as fickle as the > weather. It's well worth the lack of parties and good tunes to get to > ride every morning though ;) > > *********************************************** > Go to the mountains and the oceans and the > forests, go naked in the summertime that you > regain the old joy and love gladly and freely > under the stars. > > J.W. Parsons > *********************************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 21:17:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26816 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 21:17:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 26794 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 21:17:25 -0000 Received: from mrin46.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin46.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.156) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 21:17:25 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA09331; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:16:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:16:56 -0500 (EST) From: CuddlMeZoe@aol.com Message-ID: <971108161655_-1777583232@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: w_family@hotmail.com, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org cc: dhchung@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Wonder (bsp) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hallo, zOe bEar here *8-(]:o) I haven't met most of you yet, but those of you I have, make for happy bears! I'll be in L.A. for Harmony 2 next weekend so no Wonder for me =*( I'll be with you in spirit! Much Love and mAd hUgs ##warm fuzzies for your tummies## From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 08 22:02:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6899 invoked by uid 6000); 8 Nov 1997 22:02:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 6890 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 22:02:21 -0000 Received: from mail3.sirius.com (205.134.253.133) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 22:02:21 -0000 Received: from [205.134.235.85] (ppp-asfm02--078.sirius.net [205.134.235.78]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id OAA16208 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:02:16 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: emdash@mail.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:16:15 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: emdash@sirius.com (e.menon) Subject: (sorry)nrr: for NATASHA Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i've been asked to seek natasha (you?) out and have her (you?) call layne. email me if you need his ph. cheers - e. :) ............................................................................. "I dont think 'This is my party' is applicable anymore. The party's kind of over. Now it's more like, 'This is my life,' 'This is my tribe.'" - Nan Goldin "That so few now dare to be eccentric marks the cheif danger of the time." - John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 01:01:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11548 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 01:01:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 11539 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 01:01:32 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 01:01:32 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-48.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.48]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19316; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:01:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711090101.RAA19316@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: , "Customer Service" Subject: Re: so what's up w/ jungle djs? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:01:01 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk DOOD! Uhg... Jungle sounds WAY PHAT when it is beat matched... Like a SOLO! Like, doon chi DOO doo, doo de du doo doo. Then you bring in the other one ontop like, chi chi chi chi chi chi chi chi, chi chi che chi, che chi, che che che chi, che chi che chi che.. I don't know.. That probably didn't make any sence but.. Yea.. It's like throwing in a solo to me. What's that one Jungle song, that has the elephant sound in it? Like the elephant sound from street fighter... I like to mix that mith "a smooth operator"... Operating correctly even! I bet Lara knows! Speaking of Lara! The original message was received at Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:19:06 -0800 (PST) from seoul-209.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.228.209] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to telmaron.com.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... Relaying Denied 550 ... User unknown LIFE SUCKS SOMETIMES! I gotta go take a shower!!!!!!!!! I just woke up... I have a new stategy.. I sleep now before I go out.. It is better than taking drugs! Anybody going to Pablo's tonight? DJ Carlos nStuff! Peace Jeff From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 01:08:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13373 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 01:08:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 13363 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 01:08:09 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 01:08:09 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-48.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.48]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21254 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:07:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711090107.RAA21254@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: Subject: Re: so what's up w/ jungle djs? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:07:42 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Actually.... Jungle DJ's are the only one's I have heard do....A flawless mix.. One where, you just CAN NOT hear the mix what so ever.. Like, it blends perfectly! It's pretty easy when both records have the same beat! You can only cue it in one place to get that kind of mix.. You have to STOP the record and THROW it in ontop of the other one.. You can't just throw it on and slow it down/speed it up to match.. You need to START the record off in the right place or else your screwed... If you wanna get that flawless mix ofcourse.. Shower! Jeff ---------- : From: Fate : To: Customer Service : Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org : Subject: Re: so what's up w/ jungle djs? : Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 9:18 PM : : : If your Scratching with your Elbow are you really Djing??? I thought : that a dj was suppossed to be Crafty at "the Mix" not slamming in the : beats???? Fate From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 01:12:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14258 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 01:12:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 14249 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 01:12:26 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 01:12:26 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-48.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.48]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22365 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:12:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711090112.RAA22365@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: Subject: Re: so what's up w/ jungle djs? (dope shit!) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:11:59 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You know... I couldn't mix in a house song ontop of a Break Beat song for the life of me. Untell after listening to one of Kid Bippy's mix tapes.. Now it is so easy! Thanks Kid Bippy skippy nStuff.. Pablo's Sugar house! Jeff From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 01:16:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14972 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 01:16:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 14962 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 01:16:38 -0000 Received: from f72.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.158) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 01:16:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 6614 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 1997 01:16:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19971109011611.6613.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.86.155.91 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:16:10 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.86.155.91] From: "Josh_E Josh" To: lara@vibe.org, rewindop@earthlink.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hip-hop (nrr? who knoze) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:16:10 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Question! Didn't the whole idea of mixing records together at a Party come from Hip-Hop?! We see a lot of DJ's mixing, scratching, transforming...whatever...at Raves. But didn't the Ol' School Hip Hop DJ's throw Block parties back in the day? What would we have done if the idea of mixing records by the HIP-HOP DJ's never arised? Would we have had Bands Play with Drums sets, Guitars 'N Stuff? Isn't that what a lot of people on SFRaves dislike at parties? Live Bands? Live Acts are different (Crystal Method, Uber Zone, Basement Jacks...etc.) Those are Sic! What's the Dilly? Josh "E" Josh ------------------------------------------ lara at vibe.org wrote: > > Moshe's totally fucking right. > To dis hip-hop is to dis the basis of techno. Do you understand how much > influence hip-hop has had on our scene? Apparently not. Go brush up on > your reading. I have mad respect to the hip-hop scene, and without it > where'd our scene be today? There'd be... Pretty much... Nothing! Shit, > would jungle even exist? > All I know is that when I heard hip-hop at Halloween Tribal Massive, well > I was skeptica, but yanno, if I had felt more functional that night I > would have spent quite some time in there because sometimes it's nice to > chill to some nice beats and rhymes and shit, you can do so much > SCRATCHING with hip-hop it's insane!! I mean come on. It's not for > everyone > I agree, but don't dis something that's done wonders for your scene. > ya dig?? > prolly not, but i don't care. > xo > lara To Dis Hip Hop is not Dissing Techno because most of the Hip Hop Beats were stolen from early funk and "techno" Groups!! Listen to any old "Dance" Oreiented Recads and you will hear such groups as KraftWerk(which i might add gains no respect amoung Ravers). Jungle may have come from Hip Hop and B-boy music Like Mantronix and the like but techno is many more strands than just "Hip Hop". Listen to Some Tangerine Dream and Visage and perhaps even some B.A.D. Fate out.... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 01:17:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15485 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 01:17:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 15475 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 01:17:07 -0000 Received: from f4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 01:17:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 23978 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 1997 01:16:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19971109011640.23977.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.86.155.91 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:16:39 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.86.155.91] From: "Josh_E Josh" To: lara@vibe.org, rewindop@earthlink.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: DJ Originators? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:16:39 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Question! Didn't the whole idea of mixing records together at a Party come from Hip-Hop?! We see a lot of DJ's mixing, scratching, transforming...whatever...at Raves. But didn't the Ol' School Hip Hop DJ's throw Block parties back in the day? What would we have done if the idea of mixing records by the HIP-HOP DJ's never arised? Would we have had Bands Play with Drums sets, Guitars 'N Stuff? Isn't that what a lot of people on SFRaves dislike at parties? Live Bands? Live Acts are different (Crystal Method, Uber Zone, Basement Jacks...etc.) Those are Sic! What's the Dilly? Josh "E" Josh ------------------------------------------ lara at vibe.org wrote: > > Moshe's totally fucking right. > To dis hip-hop is to dis the basis of techno. Do you understand how much > influence hip-hop has had on our scene? Apparently not. Go brush up on > your reading. I have mad respect to the hip-hop scene, and without it > where'd our scene be today? There'd be... Pretty much... Nothing! Shit, > would jungle even exist? > All I know is that when I heard hip-hop at Halloween Tribal Massive, well > I was skeptica, but yanno, if I had felt more functional that night I > would have spent quite some time in there because sometimes it's nice to > chill to some nice beats and rhymes and shit, you can do so much > SCRATCHING with hip-hop it's insane!! I mean come on. It's not for > everyone > I agree, but don't dis something that's done wonders for your scene. > ya dig?? > prolly not, but i don't care. > xo > lara To Dis Hip Hop is not Dissing Techno because most of the Hip Hop Beats were stolen from early funk and "techno" Groups!! Listen to any old "Dance" Oreiented Recads and you will hear such groups as KraftWerk(which i might add gains no respect amoung Ravers). Jungle may have come from Hip Hop and B-boy music Like Mantronix and the like but techno is many more strands than just "Hip Hop". Listen to Some Tangerine Dream and Visage and perhaps even some B.A.D. Fate out.... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 02:46:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29671 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 02:46:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 29662 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 02:46:44 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 02:46:44 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08494; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:55:59 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jsl-thz@v-site.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971109011611.6613.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:47:34 -0800 To: "Josh_E Josh" From: Megan Haggerty Subject: Re: hip-hop (nrr? who knoze) Cc: lara@vibe.org, rewindop@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 5:16 PM -0800 11/8/97, Josh_E Josh wrote: >Question! > >Didn't the whole idea of mixing records together at a Party come from >Hip-Hop?! We see a lot of DJ's mixing, scratching, >transforming...whatever...at Raves. But didn't the Ol' School Hip Hop >DJ's throw Block parties back in the day? What would we have done if >the idea of mixing records by the HIP-HOP DJ's never arised? >Would we have had Bands Play with Drums sets, Guitars 'N Stuff? >Isn't that what a lot of people on SFRaves dislike at parties? Live >Bands? >Live Acts are different (Crystal Method, Uber Zone, Basement >Jacks...etc.) Those are Sic! >What's the Dilly? > >Josh "E" Josh A Live Band is a Live Act. The term "live act" seems very general: it could be anything form performace art to spoken word or even a (gasp)... band! I can understand not wanting "band" type music at a rave. But let's not get too high on our scene's live artists by insinuating they are much different than any other form of live music. More appropriate music for a rave, yes, but not really that much different in terms of live preformances. As for the whole hip-hop influence thing, I think it unreasonable to think that any one art form is independent from another, especiallly when they are all within the same general era. Influence is a key element in artistic creation. Art a living, breathing, amorphous. It knows no bounds. I don't really care who did it first. I'm just glad it all got, and continues to get, done. Megan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 04:28:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15772 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 04:28:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 15756 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 04:28:39 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 04:28:39 -0000 Received: from [206.169.228.206] (seoul-206.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.228.206]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12771 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:28:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:28:16 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: deepfog@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Those Silly Ravers..." From: Deepfog Subject: a scorpio thank you Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk thanks to everyone that came ouit to the scorpio thing tonight. it was fun. 3 scorpio dj's tore it up, now vertigo is going on. it's 2:55 am all is well. dEEp From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 05:32:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26940 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 05:32:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 26931 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 05:32:52 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 05:32:52 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id VAA05152; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA15557; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:32:44 -0800 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:32:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: SolR cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MY way to meet y'all! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19961107152311.00c58908@deepwell.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ROTFL!!!! :) We could all learn something from this humor. On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, SolR wrote: > **** > no... diet pepsi, you are sooo off. > > don't get it wrong again, or i will be forced to do nothing about it! > > there is no choice for the generation, all other cola is evil, diet pepsi > will save us all. > > if you have a problem with this, or have another opinion, wonderful, what > is it, 'cause i could always be wrong > > dietpepsirules - peace. > -SolR > hugz, Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 05:55:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29893 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 05:55:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 29883 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 05:55:09 -0000 Received: from ng.netgate.net (root@204.145.147.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 05:55:09 -0000 Received: from beast (d95.netgate.net [205.214.160.133]) by ng.netgate.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28113 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:56:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971108215648.006d6590@ng.netgate.net> X-Sender: grigsby@ng.netgate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 21:56:48 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: The Grigsbeast Subject: Re: Naked***-type ravers..... In-Reply-To: <971108022809_1902992086@mrin51.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ><whose with me?!?!! >ME ME ME hehee >party naked!! lol There are several nudist camps in the Santa Cruz Mountains. Would make for an interesting party. Of course it's getting a bit chilly for that this year...perhaps next summer. // grigs From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 08:10:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21304 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 08:10:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 21295 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 08:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 08:10:42 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca19-21.ix.netcom.com [199.35.223.213]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00856; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:10:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3465711D.EF793033@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 00:15:26 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lara at vibe.org" CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ya know what I hate?? Thos damn junglists. I mean the music is so off beat. It's almost impossible to dance to and its loud and annoying!!! What is up with that whole camo thing anyway? Didn't that go out of fashion in the 80's Gimme a break!!! A junglist might say: Well, I love jungle because it's not as repetitive as that house and trance with that boom boom boom! Where's the tek-step in that hu??? The camo thing makes me feel one with the jungle! Just Kiddin!!! Jungle is cool to listen too & I love Lara to pieces!!! Love, Paul*E*Wog lara at vibe.org wrote: > > Ravers are all types of people. > Read stereotypes below (not my opinionz). > > Yanno what I really hate? Those kids who wear Polo Sport at > parties. I mean who the fuck do they think they are? They spend all this > money on these clothes that don't look any better than something that > comes from Ross or Mervyn's, and it's like a status symbol. TOTAL label > WHORES! I hate it! What are they trying to prove? Isn't it stupid?? > > *** what a label WHORE might say: HEY I like Polo sport, Tommy, Nautica, > whatever. I dress in Polo > tbecause I have the money to spend on the clothes, and I like looking > good, I like feeling good about myself. Polo Sport has some really TIGHT > ASS looking clothes, that look good on me, so why not? I have the extra > cash and I just like the label. I'm not trying to prove anytthing by > wearing it. So what if it's popular. tons of raver kids wear jnco's but > think nothing of it. Polo Sport may not be a rave-clothing line, and alot > of kids wear it, but alot of kids wear it becaus it's a quality line of > clothing. I'm choosing to wear what i want, what's so wrong with that? > > Yanno what I really hate? Those Candy-raver-type kidthings. I mean > come on, are they pedophiles or what? It's all a contest to see who's the > cutest! They're totally missing the whole point of raving and dressing up > like little kids, prancing around embarrasing themselves!!! they > should grow up! SOOOO > IMMATURE~! FREAKS!!! > > *** what a candyRAVER might say: Hey, I think dressing up like this is > HELLA FUN! You don't get to dress > like this everyday, so why not? it makes me feel like an individual and > unique, and hey, i love the colors of teh rainbow, they're beautiful and > not put to use enough in the world. i like creating new outfits for each > party, it gives me something to do and the chance to utilize my talent and > creativity! i feel i look cute, yes, and that's how i want to look! why > should i dress in jeans and a shirt when i can look as neat as this! it's > totally not about status, it's all about making myself feel good about > myself. what's so wrong with that? > > now here are MY two cents on the whole topic (DISCLAIMER: anything written > before this last sentence has been a portrayl of stereotypes, and merely a > display of different views, to make the below point) > > Yanno what I really hate? How we (yes, I include myself here > because we are ALl at fault at one point in our life) assume that there is > ONE type of raver, and that one type is right. As if there's a RAVER > uniform (and this applies to all other PEOPLE too, not just ravers). To be > honest, I have Polo Sport shirts that a friend gave me, and I wear them > all the time now. I don't think "HEY this makes me cool," if anything, I > think "hey, I look good in this, it's fuckin COMFORTABLE, it's FLY, I like > it." I DO like it/ It's my style. I own Jnco's. I wear candybracelets on > occasion. I wear baggy clothes as a general rule to hide my BIG HUGE > ASS!!!!! Which I hope to god never is revealed to any of you. :) > You might sit there in your "perfect" outfit, your "raving gear" > whatever. But just remember this: for every person you're staring at > saying "they're stupid to wear that," there's someone staring at you > thinking the same damn thing. If you don't like what someone's wearing, > TOUGH FUCKING SHIT. Chances are there's someone who hates what you're > wearing as well. > There is no right way to dress at a party. There is no wrong way (ok, > naked may be taking it a bit far). There is no dress code at parties, and > thank god for that! If people wanna walk around in little tightass skirts, > so be it, it's their perogative. If people wanna walk around in pants so > big they fall down without a belt, well that's me, and it's comfortable. > And hides your ass. So be it. if people wanna wear fuzzy pants and > glitter, so be it. Let them > alone. The way people dress is the way tehy will be. If kids wanna conform > and be label whores, let them. It's THEIR money they're wasting, not > YOURS. It's called freedom of expression, or freedom to waive your right > to expression and wear what everyone else is wearing. The least of your > worries should be waht other people are wearing at parties. > If kids like Tommy Hilfiger, let them wear it. If kids like fuzzy > pants, let them wear it. ahh repetition, i love it, don't you? Just listen > to this> > DO NOT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER. Not all Tommy-kids are > bunk-E-Dealing assholes, I know a shitload of wonderful > Tommy/Polo-kidz > with mad respekt to the scene and positive energy. that have, by the way, > TOTALLY contributed positively to the scene. Not all Candy-kids are > shallow twits who OD on drugs, i knowplenty of them as well with positive > energy and all that fun stuff too. > WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS. There are twits who wear plain old clothes they'd > wear to school every day. There are bunk-E-dealing assholes who wear torn > jeans and a shirt. There's no right to categorize people by the way they > dress, and there's no room for petty bullshit like this in our scene. We > should be focusing on REAL issues if anything, such as WHY ARE OUR KIDS > OVERDOSING? and LET'S GET MORE JUNGLE OUT HERE FROM THE UK (hehe)... > ya dig? > > ... > xo > lara From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 08:16:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21978 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 08:16:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 21967 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 08:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 08:16:37 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca19-21.ix.netcom.com [199.35.223.213]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01239; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:13:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346571B0.A847CB80@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 00:17:52 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Neves, Kathleen" CC: "'SF Raves'" Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Paul*E*Wog saids: GET A LIFE! Neves, Kathleen wrote: > > I am really ashamed of whoever originated this post and to those whom > are responding in support of it. Have you all forgot the true essence > of our scene's existence? > > I thought all of our scene was built around the LOVE AND RESPECT FOR > EACH OTHER as well as the music. Who cares if someone wears Polo or > Jnco. If what someone is wearing is such a big issue, then I think you > have lost the whole point of this entire culture. > > And then this morning, I see these postings of put down on what other > fellow ravers wear? That is ridiculous. I can't believe this garbage > has seen the light of day on this list. Shame on you. > > Disgusted With a Huge Sad Face, > Kathleen Neves From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 08:16:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22490 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 08:16:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 22481 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 08:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 08:16:53 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca19-21.ix.netcom.com [199.35.223.213]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01800; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:16:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34657294.D4B9B8BF@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 00:21:40 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Veann Cao CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org, acrostic@napanet.net Subject: Re: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I know that mushroom man in the pictures in "Lotus" & "URB" is with ya!! Love, Paul*E*Wog Veann Cao wrote: > > oh blah! just wear clothes that you can sweat balls in > if i could, i'd prolly go nekkid =) > whose with me?!?!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 08:16:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22664 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 08:16:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 22564 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 08:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 08:16:55 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca19-21.ix.netcom.com [199.35.223.213]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01297; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:13:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346571CB.B3511FC0@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 00:18:19 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Neves, Kathleen" CC: "'SF Raves'" Subject: Re: Replay To: (srr) what i hate about ***-type ravers.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Paul*E*Wog saids: GET A LIFE! DON'T YOU KNOW SATIRE WHEN YOU READ IT? Neves, Kathleen wrote: > > I am really ashamed of whoever originated this post and to those whom > are responding in support of it. Have you all forgot the true essence > of our scene's existence? > > I thought all of our scene was built around the LOVE AND RESPECT FOR > EACH OTHER as well as the music. Who cares if someone wears Polo or > Jnco. If what someone is wearing is such a big issue, then I think you > have lost the whole point of this entire culture. > > And then this morning, I see these postings of put down on what other > fellow ravers wear? That is ridiculous. I can't believe this garbage > has seen the light of day on this list. Shame on you. > > Disgusted With a Huge Sad Face, > Kathleen Neves From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 10:08:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11437 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 10:08:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 11427 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 10:08:07 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 10:08:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19971109100553.16515.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.169.225.108] by web4; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 02:05:53 PST Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 02:05:53 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) To: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i'm totally up for an sfraves ski trip, complete w/big communal cabin and decks for after the slopes close! if we stuffed like 30 people into a 10 person ski lodge for a big slEEp-over ski party the per capita cost could be pretty low. who else is up for this? -messiah wannabe ---CheerioHN@aol.com wrote: > > Hey there :o) > Well since i see there seems to be a demand fer A party up here in da sNo, > i'll hafta get ready and start plannin, i saw a thing where i can get lift > tikets cheeper, so that mite help ya'll out if we do do this thingy, But > there is one major hang up... > NO SNOW!!! > I heard it was rainin in the bay, but all i gots is skattered clowds, so > think snow fer the Seirra, im starting to think this El Nino thing is > somebodys cruel cruel joke. > Also lemme know what you are lookin for if i was to throw this shindig, as > far as should we get tablz over here? How many of you are actually interested > etc. > Ok lemme know whats up! > Love ya'll > think snow > JiL > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 14:23:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3083 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 14:23:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 3074 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 14:23:25 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 14:23:25 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05651 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 06:22:30 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n1-8.napanet.net [157.22.193.8]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA15592 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 03:24:04 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971109032413.006a0754@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 03:24:13 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi Butterfield Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I would hope to be able to go, if one is actually arranged..... > >i'm totally up for an sfraves ski trip, complete w/big communal cabin >and decks for after the slopes close! if we stuffed like 30 people >into a 10 person ski lodge for a big slEEp-over ski party the per >capita cost could be pretty low. who else is up for this? > >-messiah wannabe > > > >---CheerioHN@aol.com wrote: >> >> Hey there :o) >> Well since i see there seems to be a demand fer A party up here in >da sNo, >> i'll hafta get ready and start plannin, i saw a thing where i can >get lift >> tikets cheeper, so that mite help ya'll out if we do do this thingy, >But >> there is one major hang up... >> NO SNOW!!! >> I heard it was rainin in the bay, but all i gots is skattered >clowds, so >> think snow fer the Seirra, im starting to think this El Nino thing is >> somebodys cruel cruel joke. >> Also lemme know what you are lookin for if i was to throw this >shindig, as >> far as should we get tablz over here? How many of you are actually >interested >> etc. >> Ok lemme know whats up! >> Love ya'll >> think snow >> JiL >> > > > >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 17:47:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4357 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 17:47:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 4348 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 17:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www10.web2010.com) (root@209.25.44.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 17:47:10 -0000 Received: from [130.212.201.129] (madmax-129.sfsu.edu [130.212.201.129]) by www10.web2010.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA02217; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:46:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711091746.MAA02217@www10.web2010.com> Subject: Re: RAVING IS A CULT Date: Sun, 9 Nov 97 09:43:20 -0000 x-sender: liquidhg3@liquidmercury.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: * sherry * To: , "SFRAVES SFRAVES" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Gosh you almost made me cry...That last paragraph reallly hits home. I must say I feel the same way towards the scene. Actually, I will go so far as to say that the scene saved me. I got into it at a time in life when nothing was going right. I was depressed and my life was a mess. Then I went to my first party. It swept me off my feet. I was speechless all night. I danced, which at the time was big deal cuz I didn't even like to dance. The person I went with...well we've raving together (EVERY party) for 2 years straight. I must say I truly love the scene for the music and the dancing...that feeling of release and connection. The fact that so many people come together like that is just amazing. However, I find myself now-a-days sometimes board at parties, feeling "old", out of place. I hope to re-access my feelings in the rave scene here when I go to London to study abroad next semester. I am looking forward to seeing where our scene came from...maybe I can pick something up there and bring it back with me.... long live (sober) raving !!!! - mercury / sherry >AHH!!! BYroni's message struck home. I'm the little lost teenager raving all >the time. First, you go to your first rave, and it's incredible, and you >love the music and the people, and you want to do it again. So you do. You >get the clothes and you trade jewelry and accessories. You love to party. > You meet promoters and Djs and kids that are so kewl you can't be without >them. So you meet other ravers that live near you and hang out on weekends. > You go to school, promote, and party. That's it. No time for anything >else, but it doesn't matter,because you don't want to do anything else. > SOon, you're at the parties on weekdays and listening to your mixtapes while >you do your homework. All your friends are ravers, and you can't talk to >your old friends because they don't understand the experiences you've had. >But you know what?? I'm stuck here, and there's no turning back. For me, >it's a good thing... because I may be the stereotyped little party kid that >Byroni was talking about, but at least I know I belong somewhere. Parties >and music are an obsession. I live for the next weekend. However, I'd like >to think I'm different then some of the other kids. most of us do have jobs, >and I"m still in school and I'm doing good at it. I'm not the kid sneaking >out hoping not to get caught, because my parents know where I am. So there's >different cases. I'm just rambling, but I do believe raving is a very >addictive thing. It's just not an addiction I'm ready to give up on yet.... > > hugs n'stuff, > 'trice the tekno diva <<>> > >Byroni Said:: > ><< I can't agree with you more brother... > > When I go to a party I really just focus on the music, visuals, > spirituality, and that special someone if she's with me. I don't waste my > energy watching other people, being concerened with them or watching > circles of dancing ego-trippers. It has always been about my love for the > music and my interest in high levels of consciousness. > > I'm becoming very disenchanted with parties in general. Other than the > parties thrown by Vlad and Martin I have little or no interest in spending > my time or money at massives. The entire *rave* culture has > metamorphisized into a mass of 16 year old school kids. Not only do they > (generally) a) have no clue whose spinning at any given time b) listen to > the music 1/2 the time b) take drugs to *fit in* and end up going > overboard and getting sick and feeling shitty all night. Then they want > you to baby sit them. This ruins the entire experience. I feel like kids > shouldn't even be let into these parties. Especially since drug usage is > so prevelent.. I'm a 22 year old adult indirectly condoning kids > getting wasted. They don't even know who they are and they're taking all > these extremely powerful chemicals on a regular basis. It's just wrong. > This alone will destroy the scene. Once this generation of ravers become > disenchanted with the scene and start talking shit about it. I dunno. It's > such a high level thing and all these people are stuck in the physical. > They don't realize how magical this all is. it's not something you do to > fit in, it's something you do to get a better understanding of yourself, > others and the universe as a whole. Music, chemicals and visuals.... take > you places.... and I don't think most of these kids are ready for it... or > even aware of where they're going to be taken. > > And to add a little more.... I'm so sick of all these Tommy Hilfiger > wearing kids... trying so hard to fit in... wearing clothes that are so > overpriced... and they must feel like they have to be wearing what > everyone else is.... I remember being this way.. wanting to wear the new > Nikes back in 5th and 6th grade... but now it's not shoes that these kids > are doing to fit it... it's so much more... and the consiquences are so > much greater.... > > And once little Debi starts raving with her friends... and starts having > all these powerful experiences.... what could compare to this?? In no way > would a date to the movies with Johnny Jones compare... who wants to go > home by 9??? Why not stay out all night and have a mind blowing (no pun > intended) experience?? What is better than that? Raving is the ultimate > exerience.... and once you attain such a life style it's hard to get out > of it if you're in it for the wrong reasons... and eventually their lives > lead into a downward spiral.... and only the ones that are true to > themselves and the scene will prevail... and the little ravers will all be > home alone, depressed and lonely.. wondering what happened to the times of > raving with their friends and realized the stupid decisions they made > based on what their friends were doing... and where are those friends > now??? sigh... > > Before it was something you would do because you loved the music... now > it's passing all barriers of lifestyles that everyone is getting into it.. > and this includes the people and ideals that Derek and myself wanted to > get away from.... Raving was meant to be a thing for people who really > cared about the world and others.... and wanted to spend time in more > spiritually aware environment.... but now people see how much $$$ they > can make and are exploiting this magic.... there is no price tag placed > on a night that is filled with magic... a night that enlightens you... a > night that changes you forever... a night like Love Affair, Freedom, > Basics, etc.... lets think about the long term destruction of this magic > instead of short term financial gain... > > I could go on forever..... it's just that this entire scene is so > important to me... and the way it makes me feel is unparalleled... it's > what I'm about as a 22 year old... in this fvcked up society, corrupt > government, this dieing world... it's a passion... and it's being torn out > of my arms... > >> > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 17:56:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7391 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 17:56:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 7382 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 17:56:47 -0000 Received: from mrin40.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin40.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.150) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 17:56:47 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA00271 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:56:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:56:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kalidosope@aol.com Message-ID: <971109125620_305604040@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Ita Amanda, with a new addie Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey kids, just wanted to drop a line to you all letting you know that my new e mail addie is Kalidoscope@aol.com. I no longer have the Amandust3 account. Thanks guys! Love, Amanda From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 18:31:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11999 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 18:31:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 11990 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 18:31:46 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.12) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 18:31:46 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA17863; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:30:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca2-13.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.77) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017535; Sun Nov 9 12:28:08 1997 Message-ID: <346600B3.E800BC86@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 10:28:03 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainmnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Grigsbeast CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Naked***-type ravers..... References: <3.0.1.32.19971108215648.006d6590@ng.netgate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The Grigsbeast wrote: > >< >whose with me?!?!! > >ME ME ME hehee > >party naked!! lol > > There are several nudist camps in the Santa Cruz Mountains. Would make for > an interesting party. Thats kinda funny, cause evry time I go to a nudist camp, or a nude beach... I always overhear some of the nudees talking asbout how: " it would be fun to go to a rave, cause evryone gets naked at the raves." The Irony of it all!!!!! Keep it real Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 18:59:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16922 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 18:59:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16912 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 18:59:23 -0000 Received: from m12.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.194) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 18:59:23 -0000 Received: (from theblzo@juno.com) by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id N}F24431; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 13:58:47 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 10:54:26 -0800 Subject: ***DON'T BE A COUCH POTATO Message-ID: <19971109.105427.9158.0.theblzo@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3,5-6,8-18 From: theblzo@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ****PLEASE DONT BE A COUCH PATATO TODAY**** If yyou have nothing to do today COME GET YOUR BOOGIE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Core is putting a on a nice andi maen NiCE:) Excursion for your ears today on PIER 66 this wil be lots of fun for all some come on down!! Its a 3 dollar donation so dont fret about the cash its not that much :) :) :) 12:00 pm to 6:00 pm PIER 66 (415) 376-2884 GOOD DJs AND GOOD PEOPLE :) :) :) Stay True, The BLIZO From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 19:37:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22072 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 19:37:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22053 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 19:36:59 -0000 Received: from mrin51.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin51.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.161) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 19:36:59 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin51.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA19492; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:36:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:36:29 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971109143629_1759598833@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: messiahw@rocketmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I am down like a mofo...That would be the best thing in the world...snowbowarding in the day and party all night....oh yeah...im down....lets do this!!!!!! MUSHYB!!!!!!!!!!!! snowbunnymushy From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 21:16:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10851 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 21:16:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 10842 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 21:16:30 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 21:16:30 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.197.214]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA294 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:15:18 -0800 Reply-To: "ULTRA" From: ultra@funkytekno.com (ULTRA) To: "SFRAVES" Subject: BSP : ULTRA Presents BRYAN G, JUMPING JACK FROST, RAY KEITH, MC MOUSSE Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:09:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-ID: <19971109211517436.AAA294@mohan> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Monday November 10th ULTRA Presents Our last show for the year... V RECORDINGS TOUR BRYAN G JUMPING JACK FROST RAY KEITH MC MOUSSE Club V/SF 21+ $5 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 21:23:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13402 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 21:23:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 13393 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 21:23:44 -0000 Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 21:23:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19971109212335.8.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.219.66.118] by send1b; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 13:23:34 PST Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:23:34 -0800 (PST) From: Hai La Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) To: Messiah Wannabe , sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk 30 people messiah, i couldn't count to that high. last week went to lunch in group of 3 going with 2 of my colleagues and we couldn't decide of what restaurant to go and whose car to take. it took us 15 minutes or so to decide but that day i felt something different with the winds and we weren't smart to begin with. i'm down with anything with you guys and gals. i know a guy named hai who has never ski before but would like to try. he has a couple of legs and arms to break if one of us have the patient and love to show him. hugs & have a great sundae icecream, me ---Messiah Wannabe wrote: > > > > > i'm totally up for an sfraves ski trip, complete w/big communal cabin > and decks for after the slopes close! if we stuffed like 30 people > into a 10 person ski lodge for a big slEEp-over ski party the per > capita cost could be pretty low. who else is up for this? > > -messiah wannabe > > > > ---CheerioHN@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hey there :o) > > Well since i see there seems to be a demand fer A party up here in > da sNo, > > i'll hafta get ready and start plannin, i saw a thing where i can > get lift > > tikets cheeper, so that mite help ya'll out if we do do this thingy, > But > > there is one major hang up... > > NO SNOW!!! > > I heard it was rainin in the bay, but all i gots is skattered > clowds, so > > think snow fer the Seirra, im starting to think this El Nino thing is > > somebodys cruel cruel joke. > > Also lemme know what you are lookin for if i was to throw this > shindig, as > > far as should we get tablz over here? How many of you are actually > interested > > etc. > > Ok lemme know whats up! > > Love ya'll > > think snow > > JiL > > > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 22:19:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25774 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 22:19:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 25758 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 22:19:17 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 22:19:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 13775 invoked by alias); 9 Nov 1997 22:19:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19971109221916.13774.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 13760 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 22:19:14 -0000 Received: from madmax-51.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.51) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 22:19:13 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: "Mr nStuff" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:19:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Going to Pablo's? Reply-to: Faro@usa.net In-reply-to: <199711090101.RAA19316@mom.hooked.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > Anybody going to Pablo's tonight? DJ Carlos nStuff! > Peace > Jeff > I guess this is a little late ;-) But, yep I made it to Pablo's Sugar Shack. I spent the day down in San Mateo for my little cousin's Birthday. He just turned two and is very cute... as all two year olds seem to be. But, I made sure I made it back in time to visit the Sugar Shack. The music was great... The vibe was great... The people were great! What more can I say... I enjoyed it a little more earlier in the evening if you can call 11 to 12ish "earlier" just because there was a little more room on the dance floor... and sometimes I just like to have a lot of room to move around. I am already considering going back next week... Anyone know much about Donald Glaude? Ofcourse, the S.F. House Collective thing is going on next Saturday. Decisions.. Decisions. :-). Anyway, if you didn't go you missed out. I hope everyone else had a good weekend. -Faro Faro@usa.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 23:09:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7036 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 23:09:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 7016 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 23:09:38 -0000 Received: from mrin45.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin45.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.155) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 23:09:38 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA04412; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:09:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:09:08 -0500 (EST) From: PHUNKN3@aol.com Message-ID: <971109171731_1036055660@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: THIS WEEKS DRUM & BASS EVENTS!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk For those of you fiending for D & B this week, there's alot going on... Monday, Nov 12th *Season Finale of ULTRA* DJs BRYAN G JUMPING JACK FROST RAY KEITH & MC MOOSE ( V CLASSICS TOUR) Location: V/SF 278 11th St. @ Folsom 9pm to 3am $5 b4 midnight, $7 after 21+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wednesday, Nov 12th *PHUNCKATECK* DJs ABSTRACT, SPELL, NOEL & TOMO (JAPAN) HIP HOP IN THE BACK BY S.C.U.B.A. SKWAD(CHARLIE BUCKET, BEATJAKR, DOLBEE &TABU) Location: 1190 Folsom @ 8th 10pm to 3am $5 18+ INFO LINE: 415.331.1500 EXT. 160 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thursday, Nov. 13th BIMBO 365 CLUB *SPRING HEEL JACK* w/ DJs TOMAS & NOEL Location: 1025 Columbus @ Chestnut doors @ 8pm/show @ 9pm $12 18+ (GOLDIE COMING UP ON THE 25TH!!!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Friday, Nov. 14th *STEP 2K* DJs UFO, BILLY DIAMOND(JUNGLE LOVE), NOEL & PUSH Location info: 415.789.8212 ext 1 18+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That should wet your appetite.... DONT FORGET *QUEST* THIS WEEKEND!! (SAT/NOVEMBER 15TH) INFO LINES: 415.273.5912 510.287.5286 408.278.5286 408.454.1555 PEACE!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 09 23:20:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9164 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 23:20:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 9155 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 23:19:58 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 23:19:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 24415 invoked by alias); 9 Nov 1997 23:19:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19971109231956.24414.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 24402 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 23:19:55 -0000 Received: from madmax-51.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.51) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 23:19:55 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:19:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: S.F. House Collective Date Reply-to: Faro@usa.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Whew... Did I have a brain fade or what? I hope I didn't have confused people frantically searching for their calendar with that last post... When I read over the message I sent even I even managed to confuse myself a little. :-). No, S.F. House Collective was not secretly moved up 7 days in order to confuse everyone. I was just a mistake by little old fallible me! AFAIK S.F. House Collective is still on FRIDAY NOVEMBER 21st. Sorry for the confusion all. -Faro Faro@usa.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 00:00:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18465 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 00:00:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 18393 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 23:59:50 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 23:59:50 -0000 Received: from [206.169.228.211] (seoul-211.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.228.211]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11240; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:58:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:58:32 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: deepfog@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Those Silly Ravers..." From: Deepfog Subject: Hi nStuff Cc: defcon5@pacbell.net Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I haven't talked to you guys in so long. you know though, the way i meet people at raves is... "Hi!" ...or... "Don't I know you from somewhere?" ;] mmmm-hm! anyway, jeff, this has nothing to do with you. go dance. sorry i didn't go boogie last night. maybe some udder time. see you all at...Wonder! and the location is at... psyche! =] love, dEEp From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 00:09:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20541 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 00:09:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 20528 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 00:09:26 -0000 Received: from excite.whowhere.com (HELO excite) (209.1.236.13) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 00:09:26 -0000 Received: by mailexcite.com id <21010-14846>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:08:23 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 16:08:09 -0700 From: "Amber Marie Lawraine Nixon" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Earthlings dance for you (BSP) X-Sender-Ip: 129.210.199.191 Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Inspired by raves, dedicated to ravers... "EARTHLINGS" - Choreographed by >:)Amber (that South Bay Pre-party girl) Featured in CHOREOGRAPHER'S GALLERY. DJ Fubari spinning LIVE! December 4th at 8PM and 5th at 7 and 9PM On the Santa Clara University campus (Mayer Theater) Call 408-554-4015 for tickets (cheap!!) I have been working for months on this tribute to all of you. It is my way of saying "Thank you" for all of the genuine kindness and big fun that have made this the happiest time of my life. This dance won't be done until you see it... "Come to me and take my hand..." >:) Amber --- "Oh, bother" said Pooh as he looked down at Piglet's mangled body. Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 05:39:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19894 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 05:39:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 19882 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 05:39:21 -0000 Received: from mrin51.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin51.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.161) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 05:39:21 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin51.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA11441 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:38:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:38:53 -0500 (EST) From: Kalidosope@aol.com Message-ID: <971110003853_-1509069365@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Opps... I messed up! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okee guys you caught me....... my *real* e-mail addie is.....Kalidosope@aol.com sorry for my boobo, it was too early! love, Amanda p.s. I am comming out this weekend, thanks to my girl Lara, havent been out in 3 long months! Hopefully I may see some of you =c) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 06:51:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5807 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 06:51:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 5798 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 06:51:38 -0000 Received: from f9.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 06:51:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 24160 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1997 06:51:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19971110065108.24159.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 22:51:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Naked***-type ravers..... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:51:08 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The only nudist camp up here in the Santa Cruz mtns, is in my back yard, sunbathing with myself and my belly, oh and I am a raver... The irony of it all :P Your Santa Cruz Mountain Boy Representative to the "nudist raver scene," bAByHueY >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 9 10:31:52 1997 >Received: (qmail 11999 invoked by uid 6000); 9 Nov 1997 18:31:47 -0000 >Received: (qmail 11990 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1997 18:31:46 -0000 >Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.12) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 18:31:46 -0000 >Received: (from smap@localhost) > by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) > id MAA17863; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:30:38 -0600 (CST) >Received: from smx-ca2-13.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.77) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) > id rma017535; Sun Nov 9 12:28:08 1997 >Message-ID: <346600B3.E800BC86@ix.netcom.com> >Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 10:28:03 -0800 >From: Ray Vonie >Organization: Feel Good Entertainmnet >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: The Grigsbeast >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: Naked***-type ravers..... >References: <3.0.1.32.19971108215648.006d6590@ng.netgate.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > > > >The Grigsbeast wrote: > >> ><> >whose with me?!?!! >> >ME ME ME hehee >> >party naked!! lol >> >> There are several nudist camps in the Santa Cruz Mountains. Would make for >> an interesting party. > >Thats kinda funny, cause evry time I go to a nudist camp, or a nude beach... I >always overhear some of the nudees talking asbout how: " it would be fun to go >to a rave, cause evryone gets naked at the raves." The Irony of it all!!!!! > >Keep it real > >Vlad > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 07:00:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7437 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 07:00:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 7425 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 07:00:01 -0000 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.133) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 07:00:01 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id WAA03269; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:59:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:59:58 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: Naked***-type ravers..... To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" In-Reply-To: <19971110065108.24159.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk coming soon: Abduction Productions proudly presents - NAKED! the rave you've been waiting for! Come and let it all hang out! Price of admission: Your Clothes! coming soon... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 07:16:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11221 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 07:16:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 11210 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 07:16:04 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 07:16:04 -0000 Received: from [206.169.229.78] (malay-78.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.78]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09096 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:15:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:15:30 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: deepfog@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Those Silly Ravers..." From: Deepfog Subject: looking for sf/berkeley connection Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello everybody.... I am looking for people that make fairly regular trips to the Santa Cruz area and back to San Francisco or the East Bay. If that fits you, please contact me. Thanks. I love you all. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 07:17:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11847 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 07:17:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 11838 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 07:17:05 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 07:17:05 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-142.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.142]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id XAA17309 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:17:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3466B56B.48D7@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 23:19:07 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Naked***-type ravers..... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Noah Apodaca wrote: > > coming soon: > > Abduction Productions proudly presents - > > NAKED! > > the rave you've been waiting for! > > Come and let it all hang out! > > Price of admission: Your Clothes! > > coming soon... Might be easier to get police permits if we tell them we are members of the NRA (naked ravers association) They will just think it a meeting of the National Rifle Assocition ...we could bring a few of those huge water riffles and coer thm with glowstick n glitter just to make it look legit. PLus ist can be nice to be blasted with a spray of water when you'vebeen sweating all night. I guess we should make up some NRA laminates. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 07:25:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12898 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 07:25:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 12885 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 07:25:49 -0000 Received: from f80.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.186) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 07:25:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 15389 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1997 07:27:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19971110072714.15388.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 23:27:14 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: WONDER Thanx dudes like peas&things Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:27:14 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk For everyone that got to experience the Chatteux de bABy up here in the wilderness (with paintin' and saying hey and all) I wanted to thank those of you who didn't get lost and who actually attempted to make it instead of coming up with a lame excuse like "I'll be there tomorrow"-Macadio :P I had a great time enjoying all your company. Nice to meet you Derek, Veann, and uh, uh YOu are all good people so it doesn't matter who gets thanked, or gets special attention or whatever. I'm tired Yawn, Danny Quality family entertainment... Wonder On the 14***next weekend*** and Danny will be your water guy from 1-2am and there is an E-tard on the loose-Hi Andy P. Your stuffs in the garage, I'll bring the pillars and other crud down tue or so, bye P.S. I thought about something rather interesting while petting my dog today... What if she were to eat my Slinky? I think it would hurt her severly the next day during potty o time...eeewwwwwww, poor thing :( o o o0 o0 0 O o From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 07:40:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15973 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 07:40:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 15964 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 07:40:15 -0000 Received: from f14.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 07:40:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 15107 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1997 07:39:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19971110073948.15106.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 23:39:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Naked***-type ravers..... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:39:47 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk How would we distinguish our nudist ravers from normle nudists? Well, I think we should get the hot glue gun out and glue seashells to our foreheads or something. And I don't think this should be a "drug" using group of ravers either, that would be a BIG mess :P bAByHueY >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 9 23:17:12 1997 >Received: (qmail 11847 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 07:17:06 -0000 >Received: (qmail 11838 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 07:17:05 -0000 >Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 07:17:05 -0000 >Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-142.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.142]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id XAA17309 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:17:02 -0800 (PST) >Message-ID: <3466B56B.48D7@pacbell.net> >Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 23:19:07 -0800 >From: fish1111@pacbell.net >X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: Naked***-type ravers..... >References: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >Noah Apodaca wrote: >> >> coming soon: >> >> Abduction Productions proudly presents - >> >> NAKED! >> >> the rave you've been waiting for! >> >> Come and let it all hang out! >> >> Price of admission: Your Clothes! >> >> coming soon... > >Might be easier to get police permits if we tell them >we are members of the NRA (naked ravers association) >They will just think it a meeting of the National Rifle >Assocition ...we could bring a few of those huge water >riffles and coer thm with glowstick n glitter just to make >it look legit. PLus ist can be nice to be blasted with a >spray of water when you'vebeen sweating all night. > >I guess we should make up some NRA laminates. > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 08:31:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1767 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 08:31:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 1757 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 08:31:55 -0000 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (mayer@192.100.81.119) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 08:31:55 -0000 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) with SMTP id AAA10406; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:31:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711100831.AAA10406@netcom9.netcom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: netcom9.netcom.com: mayer@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Cc: groovi-music@netcom.com Subject: found a better "funky breaks" compilation Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 00:31:32 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk A while back there was discussion regarding a good "funky breaks" CD... I just picked up a used copy of DJ Icey's "The Funky Breaks" (on FFRR, 1997) and it rules, completely. So where is DJ Icey from? I noticed he has two tracks on this CD and they're both quite good. Any other DJ Icey disks I can pick up anywhere? Anything else in this style... kinda hip-hoppy without the focus on "rap", kinda ragga w/o the stupid lyrics, kinda "acid" basslines, nice echo-y atmospherics, and a 120-130BPM tempo. The style kinda reminds me of the stuff DJ Jeno or DJ Spun back in the day (92?)... I used to just call this "the kind of house music I like" but now I guess people call it "funky breaks". People keep asking me what type of music I like and I usually respond "techno and house, some jungle, almost no trance"... if this is breakbeat, then I'm down with this style too. Basically, anything with a good beat, funky bass, trippy frills and textures, and not overly repetitive gets a thumbs up from me. Any other DJ's or compilations I should be checking out? I like DJ John Kelley's "funky desert breaks" and Best of House Music "Funky Breaks" just "ok" ... nothing earth shattering. Sometimes, on a good day, I think I can mix better than whatever it is they got on those CD's, which is kinda disappointing because I don't consider myself to be a very good DJ, compared to "pros" like Derrick Carter or Mark Grant. Other recent CD purchases: * Journeys by DJ -- Heller and Farley part 2 (got part 1 already) -- excellent. * Derrick May -- Innovator (Japanese Import 2CD set on Sony Records) -- variable, nice for historical perspective * Sound Dimensions Introspective of House (3CD's John Kelly (UK) Tony De Vit, Sonique). -- excellent. * Silent Records/Skam "skampler" compilattion (gescom/autechre/etc). -- undecided. a little "academic" and IDMish for me, but interesting nonetheless. * Rockers Hi-Fi -- mish mash (one of those mixman disks) -- ok. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ==>> Niels Mayer (mayer@netcom.com) <<== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 10:00:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22554 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 10:00:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 22537 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 10:00:22 -0000 Received: from mail.cwia.com (207.212.72.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 10:00:22 -0000 Received: from xripxgha (preluxisma@user173.pop2.cwia.com [208.135.61.173]) by mail.cwia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA07353; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:00:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971110015414.006b6c04@mail.cwia.com> X-Sender: utopia@mail.cwia.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:54:14 -0800 To: Ray Vonie , mdowner@neurex.com From: utopia Subject: Re: Letts all meet at the Drive-Ins. Cc: byroni@ccnet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <309FB233.BCD72DCB@ix.netcom.com> References: <88256547.007C9705.00@mother.neurex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sounds like fun! I would go! At 11:23 AM 11/7/95 -0800, Ray Vonie wrote: >I go to the Drive-Ins in Burlingame at least once a week. On tuesday nights >they have a special of only $4 per person. There is a rundown playground, and >we can all check out the flick, and walk around car to car and meat everyone. >There is radio sound through your car stereo, and it is suposed to be still >warm next week. maybee next Tuesday night is a good night. Field # 1 will >be playing Starship Troopers with Men In Black. starts at 7pm, and gates open >at 6 pm. We can bring lounge chairs, and bbq, and food, there is no security, >and they are way cool down there. Is anyone else up for this????? > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 10:01:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23255 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 10:01:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 23246 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 10:01:46 -0000 Received: from f73.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.159) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 10:01:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 23658 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1997 10:01:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19971110100114.23657.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.159.128 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:01:13 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.159.128] From: "maya katz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, frosting@mailexcite.com Subject: Re: Earthlings dance for you (BSP) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:01:13 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk does anyone from san francisco plan on going to this? i would love to carpool!! thanks, maya >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 16:08:09 -0700 >From: "Amber Marie Lawraine Nixon" >Subject: Earthlings dance for you (BSP) > >Inspired by raves, dedicated to ravers... > >"EARTHLINGS" - Choreographed by >:)Amber (that South Bay Pre-party girl) Featured >in CHOREOGRAPHER'S GALLERY. DJ Fubari spinning LIVE! > >December 4th at 8PM and 5th at 7 and 9PM >On the Santa Clara University campus (Mayer Theater) >Call 408-554-4015 for tickets (cheap!!) > >I have been working for months on this tribute to all of you. It is my way of saying >"Thank you" for all of the genuine kindness and big fun that have made this the happiest >time of my life. This dance won't be done until you see it... > >"Come to me and take my hand..." >>:) Amber > >--- >"Oh, bother" said Pooh as he looked down at Piglet's mangled body. > > > >Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! >http://www.mailexcite.com > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 16:11:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22228 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 16:11:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 22217 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 16:11:53 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 16:11:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19971110160940.9829.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web4; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:09:40 PST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:09:40 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: found a better "funky breaks" compilation To: "Niels P. Mayer" , San FranDisco Ravers List Cc: groovi-music@netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey Niels, Icey is from Orlando, and he will be spinning on the 70,000 watt system at 1015 on Dec 12. It should be a good show. The sound rocks. Layne ---"Niels P. Mayer" wrote: > > > A while back there was discussion regarding a good "funky breaks" CD... > > I just picked up a used copy of DJ Icey's "The Funky Breaks" (on FFRR, > 1997) and it rules, completely. > > So where is DJ Icey from? I noticed he has two tracks on this CD and > they're both quite good. Any other DJ Icey disks I can pick up > anywhere? Anything else in this style... kinda hip-hoppy without the > focus on "rap", kinda ragga w/o the stupid lyrics, kinda "acid" > basslines, nice echo-y atmospherics, and a 120-130BPM tempo. > > The style kinda reminds me of the stuff DJ Jeno or DJ Spun back in the > day (92?)... I used to just call this "the kind of house music I like" > but now I guess people call it "funky breaks". > > People keep asking me what type of music I like and I usually respond > "techno and house, some jungle, almost no trance"... if this is > breakbeat, then I'm down with this style too. Basically, anything with > a good beat, funky bass, trippy frills and textures, and not overly > repetitive gets a thumbs up from me. > > Any other DJ's or compilations I should be checking out? I like DJ John > Kelley's "funky desert breaks" and Best of House Music "Funky Breaks" > just "ok" ... nothing earth shattering. Sometimes, on a good day, I > think I can mix better than whatever it is they got on those CD's, > which is kinda disappointing because I don't consider myself to be a > very good DJ, compared to "pros" like Derrick Carter or Mark Grant. > > Other recent CD purchases: > * Journeys by DJ -- Heller and Farley part 2 (got part 1 already) > -- excellent. > * Derrick May -- Innovator (Japanese Import 2CD set on Sony Records) > -- variable, nice for historical perspective > * Sound Dimensions Introspective of House (3CD's John Kelly (UK) > Tony De Vit, Sonique). > -- excellent. > * Silent Records/Skam "skampler" compilattion (gescom/autechre/etc). > -- undecided. a little "academic" and IDMish for me, but > interesting nonetheless. > * Rockers Hi-Fi -- mish mash (one of those mixman disks) > -- ok. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > ==>> Niels Mayer (mayer@netcom.com) <<== > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.3 > > mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP > Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 > X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR > tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU > +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM > M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F > naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== > =RUx1 > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Sent by Yahoo! 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Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 16:17:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23211 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 16:17:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 23202 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 16:17:56 -0000 Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (198.232.147.17) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 16:17:56 -0000 Received: from ssd.loral.com (icarus.ssd.loral.com [158.184.3.166]) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with ESMTP id IAA13779; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from macpo.ssd.loral.com (macpo.ssd.loral.com [158.184.3.188]) by ssd.loral.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA23222; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:17:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711101617.IAA23222@ssd.loral.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:17:00 -0800 From: "LYLE, THOMAS" Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) To: Hai La , Messiah Wannabe , sfraves X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk don't leave me out!! :-)~ I can't wait for those white fluffies! Thomas B-) ---------- From: Hai La To: Messiah Wannabe; sfraves Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) Date: Sunday, November 09, 1997 1:30PM 30 people messiah, i couldn't count to that high. last week went to lunch in group of 3 going with 2 of my colleagues and we couldn't decide of what restaurant to go and whose car to take. it took us 15 minutes or so to decide but that day i felt something different with the winds and we weren't smart to begin with. i'm down with anything with you guys and gals. i know a guy named hai who has never ski before but would like to try. he has a couple of legs and arms to break if one of us have the patient and love to show him. hugs & have a great sundae icecream, me ---Messiah Wannabe wrote: > > > > > i'm totally up for an sfraves ski trip, complete w/big communal cabin > and decks for after the slopes close! if we stuffed like 30 people > into a 10 person ski lodge for a big slEEp-over ski party the per > capita cost could be pretty low. who else is up for this? > > -messiah wannabe > > > > ---CheerioHN@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hey there :o) > > Well since i see there seems to be a demand fer A party up here in > da sNo, > > i'll hafta get ready and start plannin, i saw a thing where i can > get lift > > tikets cheeper, so that mite help ya'll out if we do do this thingy, > But > > there is one major hang up... > > NO SNOW!!! > > I heard it was rainin in the bay, but all i gots is skattered > clowds, so > > think snow fer the Seirra, im starting to think this El Nino thing is > > somebodys cruel cruel joke. > > Also lemme know what you are lookin for if i was to throw this > shindig, as > > far as should we get tablz over here? How many of you are actually > interested > > etc. > > Ok lemme know whats up! > > Love ya'll > > think snow > > JiL > > > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 16:26:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25438 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 16:26:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 25429 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 16:26:34 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 16:26:34 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22059; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:35:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA11628; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:19:57 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:28:32 -0800 To: hak1 From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: so what's up w/ jungle djs? (dope shit!) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey, Hak1, I wasn't dissing! It was an honest question...the beats are just so wild and many and unpredictable, I can't picture it. Thank you for the explanation! b))m >come on.... this is such a rudimentary question. OF COURSE we're matching >beats. it's just in a different light of what most 4/4 dj's do. if you >listen to jungle notice how it works on a half-step beat. listen for the >bassline or the bass. you'll see that it's half speed of the breaks. >that's one way to match. but the sure fire way is to match to the >snare/or hi-hat/or oHH/ whateva gets you going...... it's relatively >easy. but, for my case, i learned to match old chi-town trax records >back, then moved on to hardcore (which still had a 4/4 essence to it), >then just the stripped down beats that is jungle today...... > >haK > >ps. any junglist's look coming moving shadow 117 (matrix+optical) hed fuk >pressa! listen up, you'll here it in my set and forthcoming tape..... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 16:32:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26840 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 16:32:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 26829 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 16:32:32 -0000 Received: from mother.neurex.com (38.221.50.170) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 16:32:32 -0000 Received: by mother.neurex.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8825654B.005B1B73 ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:35:08 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NEUREX CORPORATION From: mdowner@neurex.com To: LYLET@pab281a.ssd.loral.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <8825654B.005B0BD8.00@mother.neurex.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:35:06 -0700 Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well I was just advised that there is snow at most of the resorts, I am not yet fully informed as to the exact amount of snow but now that it is falling we need to start driving to the snow, like now. Yeah let's all just quit out jobs build igloos and play, play, play in the snow, then when the snow melts, and our houses melt we will build log cabins and and....ok I am loooooosing it here, (But if you work 75 hours a week you would be just a wee bit crazy too!!) Well lets start setting a date for the snow. Any suggestions? Loving the Wholest Widest World, Matthew (AKA Cracked Out Elmo) PS guess what, It's almost time for Santa Claus to come down our chimney!!! Yippee From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 16:40:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28536 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 16:40:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 28525 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 16:40:43 -0000 Received: from f31.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 16:40:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 26468 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1997 16:41:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971110164137.26467.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.202.191.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:40:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.202.191.137] From: "Digital Devil" To: lara@vibe.org, rewindop@earthlink.net, josh_e_josh@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: DJ Originators? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:40:23 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk together at a Party come from >Hip-Hop?! We see a lot of DJ's mixing, scratching, >transforming...whatever...at Raves. But didn't the Ol' School Hip Hop >DJ's throw Block parties back in the day? *Well the same Could be said for the hippy/psychadelic scene back in the 60's/didn't they throw be-ins and acid tests? From the people I've known and talk to, it was a lot like raves today. Even alot of their philosophies on life, drugs, etc, live on in our scene today. What would we have done if >the idea of mixing records by the HIP-HOP DJ's never arised? >Would we have had Bands Play with Drums sets, Guitars 'N Stuff? *the idea of blending music together is nothing new, I mean that is what most ANY song is anyway a combo of beats,vocals,noise etc. the first dj to be genarally credited with "mixing" is DJ CoolHerc. From an interview with him in Muzik, he stated that that back then he was playing funk and the like, and rapping went over that added on, so to speak. Modern day mixing arose out of that more and more because of the development of drum machines that could hold a precise beat. that is what makes the "backbone" of today's beatmAtching possible. >Isn't that what a lot of people on SFRaves dislike at parties? Live >Bands? >Live Acts are different (Crystal Method, Uber Zone, Basement >Jacks...etc.) Those are Sic! >What's the Dilly? > *I personally think it is interesting to see artists live. but I do admit it leaves something to be desired. I remember seeing the chemical bros @ the trocodero a couple of years ago and it was a great show! but knowing they were "miming" to a DAT kinda took some of the life out of it. The only "Band" I've seen that does a cool live show far (IMO) is Dubtribe. To finish up, I believe that Hip-Hop deserves alot of credit but so do early Techno bands like Kraftwerk (from who it seems (90% of all Miami Bass,& Electro comes from).+ In any genere of music if you stay open minded, there is always something for everyone- Raf >Josh "E" Josh > > >------------------------------------------ >lara at vibe.org wrote: >> >> Moshe's totally fucking right. >> To dis hip-hop is to dis the basis of techno. Do you understand how >much >> influence hip-hop has had on our scene? Apparently not. Go brush up on >> your reading. I have mad respect to the hip-hop scene, and without it >> where'd our scene be today? There'd be... Pretty much... Nothing! >Shit, >> would jungle even exist? >> All I know is that when I heard hip-hop at Halloween Tribal Massive, >well >> I was skeptica, but yanno, if I had felt more functional that night I >> would have spent quite some time in there because sometimes it's nice >to >> chill to some nice beats and rhymes and shit, you can do so much >> SCRATCHING with hip-hop it's insane!! I mean come on. It's not for >> everyone >> I agree, but don't dis something that's done wonders for your scene. >> ya dig?? >> prolly not, but i don't care. >> xo >> lara > > >To Dis Hip Hop is not Dissing Techno because most of the Hip Hop Beats >were stolen from early funk and "techno" Groups!! Listen to any old >"Dance" Oreiented Recads and you will hear such groups as >KraftWerk(which i might add gains no respect amoung Ravers). Jungle may >have come from Hip Hop and B-boy music Like Mantronix and the like but >techno is many more strands than just "Hip Hop". Listen to Some >Tangerine Dream and Visage and perhaps even some B.A.D. Fate out.... > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 16:52:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1407 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 16:52:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 1398 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 16:52:24 -0000 Received: from nature.berkeley.edu (128.32.251.186) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 16:52:24 -0000 Received: from Wh219-2.ESPM.berkeley.edu (wh219-2.ESPM.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.85.74]) by nature.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09102; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:51:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971110084623.0072d184@nature.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: lawson@nature.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:46:23 -0800 To: "Josh_E Josh" From: Andrew Lawson Subject: Re: hip-hop (nrr? who knoze) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971109011611.6613.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Beat mixing two records goes way back to the early days of disco. As far as I know that was well before the hip hop scene began. Andrew At 05:16 PM 11/8/97 PST, you wrote: >Question! > >Didn't the whole idea of mixing records together at a Party come from >Hip-Hop?! We see a lot of DJ's mixing, scratching, >transforming...whatever...at Raves. But didn't the Ol' School Hip Hop >DJ's throw Block parties back in the day? What would we have done if >the idea of mixing records by the HIP-HOP DJ's never arised? >Would we have had Bands Play with Drums sets, Guitars 'N Stuff? >Isn't that what a lot of people on SFRaves dislike at parties? Live >Bands? >Live Acts are different (Crystal Method, Uber Zone, Basement >Jacks...etc.) Those are Sic! >What's the Dilly? > >Josh "E" Josh > > >------------------------------------------ >lara at vibe.org wrote: >> >> Moshe's totally fucking right. >> To dis hip-hop is to dis the basis of techno. Do you understand how >much >> influence hip-hop has had on our scene? Apparently not. Go brush up on >> your reading. I have mad respect to the hip-hop scene, and without it >> where'd our scene be today? There'd be... Pretty much... Nothing! >Shit, >> would jungle even exist? >> All I know is that when I heard hip-hop at Halloween Tribal Massive, >well >> I was skeptica, but yanno, if I had felt more functional that night I >> would have spent quite some time in there because sometimes it's nice >to >> chill to some nice beats and rhymes and shit, you can do so much >> SCRATCHING with hip-hop it's insane!! I mean come on. It's not for >> everyone >> I agree, but don't dis something that's done wonders for your scene. >> ya dig?? >> prolly not, but i don't care. >> xo >> lara > > >To Dis Hip Hop is not Dissing Techno because most of the Hip Hop Beats >were stolen from early funk and "techno" Groups!! Listen to any old >"Dance" Oreiented Recads and you will hear such groups as >KraftWerk(which i might add gains no respect amoung Ravers). Jungle may >have come from Hip Hop and B-boy music Like Mantronix and the like but >techno is many more strands than just "Hip Hop". Listen to Some >Tangerine Dream and Visage and perhaps even some B.A.D. Fate out.... > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 17:32:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7733 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 17:32:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 7723 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 17:32:54 -0000 Received: from genie-open.gene.com (HELO genie.gene.com) (192.12.78.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 17:32:54 -0000 Received: from munch.gene.com (munch.gene.com [128.137.49.5]) by genie.gene.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22846 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (dhcp198-154.gene.com [128.137.198.154]) by munch.gene.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26602 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:32:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Matt Breedlove" Message-Id: <971110093258.ZM5871@default> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:32:56 -0700 reply-to: mbreedlo@gene.COM X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0.2 (4.0.2 Nov 8 1996) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: the mystery party Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hello ravers...i went to that mystery party on friday night (SHH!! don't tell anyone!) All I can say is it sucked...TOTALLY the wrong vibe. I couldn't even begin to get into the music...it was like garage experimental goth stuff. The people there were like these scary goth people...not much PLUR being distributed. I went outside where I thought i saw a couple of sf ravers and sure enough there was Amber and Sun. Two very cool ravers. we started talking and felt better that we weren't the only ones complaining about this "rave" oh yeah it was like the size of a one bedroom apt...and maybe 30-40 people. it was only $5 bucks...and I am raver on a budget, but I would just of rather not gone. amber was saying that the parties there at 17th and Capp are always like that.. well...now I know. GOOD RAVES AHEAD!!! -Breedlove From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 17:39:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9188 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 17:39:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 9175 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 17:39:32 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 17:39:32 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22862; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12324; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:33:23 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:41:46 -0800 To: Andrew Lawson From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: hip-hop (nrr? who knoze) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Beat mixing two records goes way back to the early days of disco. As far >as I know that was well before the hip hop scene began. >Andrew it was actually close to the same time...very early 70's. and of course hip hop mixing took roots from Jamaican musicians who used sang over instrumental records because they couldn't afford instruments. i think the point that's trying to be made tho, is that rave borrows heavily from 3 main sources: o early electronic (instrumentation & sound) o disco (beatmatching, club lifestyle, partying all night, flambuoyant clothes) o hip hop (scratching, sampling & other turntable trickery, breakbeat and jungle, athletic gear, illegal parties & dodging cops) which goes back to Moshe's point....stop busting on hip-hop; it is a part of what we are today! so putchya mf hands in the a-ya & wave em like ya jus don ca-ya. -MC Mad Dawg Boomerang Next week historian Phred Heutte traces Our geneology from the Edwardian Period through the Postmodern Age. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 18:35:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24185 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 18:35:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 24173 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 18:35:51 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 18:35:51 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id KAA01680 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:35:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346756D2.472AA03F@best.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:47:47 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: Spencer and "The People's Lawyer". Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey.... does anyone else here see a resemblence between Spencer from Warmth and "The People's Lawyer"? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 18:59:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2761 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 18:59:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 2751 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 18:59:20 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 18:59:20 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-181.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.181]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id KAA16711 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:59:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346759F2.1EE8@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:01:06 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Naked***-type ravers..... References: <19971110073948.15106.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk bABy HueY wrote: > > How would we distinguish our nudist ravers from normle nudists? just look at the belly button ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish ps...i would type a longer explanation but i have carpal tunnel syndrome in my neck this morning and i just ran out of Tang Breakfast drink so im a bit grumpy. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 19:15:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8574 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 19:15:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 8557 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 19:15:50 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 19:15:50 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23975; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA13190; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:09:04 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:17:47 -0800 To: fish1111@pacbell.net From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: Naked***-type ravers.....(NRR) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >ps...i would type a longer explanation but i have carpal >tunnel syndrome you should stop doing so much K all at once. try smaller bumps. That'll keep you out of the catacombs. gnarl, b))merang From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 19:53:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18569 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 19:53:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 18559 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 19:53:39 -0000 Received: from fillmore.criticalpath.net (209.104.216.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 19:53:39 -0000 Received: (cpmta 15885 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 19:53:13 GMT Received: from ip036.domain.net (204.107.140.36) by hunab-ku.com.criticalpath.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 19:53:13 GMT X-CriticalPath-Timestamp: 10 Nov 1997 19:53:13 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971110115054.008d28d0@mail.hunab-ku.com> X-Sender: jonas@mail.hunab-ku.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:53:40 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Jonas Judd Subject: Moving Sale this Weekend Nov 15 & 16th (AKA, Cheap viynl & CD's)! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Heya gang! A choice space opened up for us, so we'll be moving Hunab Ku. Luckily, it's right around the corner from where we are now, so it won't be too much of a chore. Still, we have a lot of backstock we'd rather not have to re-catalog. So we're having a sale to help clear things out. Dates: Nov 15th, 16th (sat & sun) Times: 12pm to 6pm Location: 1028 Folsom St. @ 6th (right across from 1015. Y'know, the old porno store!) Prices TBA - but they'll be cheap, so please stop on by! Lots of drum 'n bass, psy trance, hard trance, techno, hardcore, and quirky stuff. For further info, call us at 415 431 0950, or mail me. Catch ya later... Jonas From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 20:04:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21636 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 20:04:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 21627 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 20:04:45 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 20:04:45 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (F28.hotmail.com [207.82.250.39]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA06229 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:04:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from yareach8@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 4274 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1997 20:04:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19971110200406.4273.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.159.128 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:04:05 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.159.128] From: "maya katz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: lets get together!!! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:04:05 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk okay kiddos!! now that we are all hot and bothered to meet each other, lets set a day or something... time & place anyone? if we wanted... and the weather was good next sunday we could all gather at baker beach, or ocean beach in san francisco in the daytime... like a pre party for a bigger one at someones house in a few weeks... i dunno- i like the beach idea too, & i haven't gone out there in a while... So, if any locals in SF want to meet at the beach next sunday, write me a note, and lets go!!! Or, if someone was really interested, we could even start at the beach in the day, and carpool to a party at someones house if anyone wanted to on that night... afterwards or something... lovin' the livin' and passin' the lovin' ~maya~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 20:21:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26335 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 20:21:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 26324 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 20:21:34 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 20:21:34 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA22796; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:05:47 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971110120145.0072fb78@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:03:05 -0800 To: mbreedlo@gene.COM, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: Re: the mystery party Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 09:32 AM 11/10/97 -0700, Matt Breedlove wrote: >hello ravers...i went to that mystery party on friday night (SHH!! don't >tell anyone!) All I can say is it sucked...TOTALLY the wrong vibe. >I couldn't even begin to get into the music...it was like garage >experimental goth stuff. that's experimental for you...if it shocked you and even repulsed you then it was doing its job. when people who are into the mainstream elements of rave get exposed to the dangerous fringe stuff, that's when a true creative explosion happens. if you wanted straight rave there was a very nice one on saturday night at a certain warehouse in oakland. ------------------------------- "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 20:22:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26985 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 20:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 26976 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 20:22:00 -0000 Received: from mx1.ten.net (HELO ten.net) (204.162.251.51) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 20:22:00 -0000 Received: from ten.net (NorCal56k166.NetWiz.Net [208.25.55.66]) by ten.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08923; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:21:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34676BE9.DF0C4949@ten.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:17:45 -0800 From: Pengo Reply-To: Pengo@ten.net Organization: Pengo Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Megan Haggerty CC: Josh_E Josh , lara@vibe.org, rewindop@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hip-hop (nrr? who knoze) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > A Live Band is a Live Act. The term "live act" seems very general: it > could be anything form performace art to spoken word or even a (gasp)... > band! I can understand not wanting "band" type music at a rave. But let's > not get too high on our scene's live artists by insinuating they are much > different than any other form of live music. More appropriate music for a > rave, yes, but not really that much different in terms of live > preformances. In an interesting note, DJ Shadow's new "High Noon" single makes some refrences to Rock & Roll and has a very Rock & Rollish sound. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 20:28:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28429 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 20:28:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 28407 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 20:28:53 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 20:28:53 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA25484 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:18:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971110121545.006858f8@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:15:48 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: Explicit House review (brief) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk first off, i don't usually go to parties in the house massive scene--but now i think i'll go quite often. 2nd and Jackson. Arrived at 1 a.m. or so with layne, e.menon, natasha, and a couple assorted others (well of course i forget the names--but you know who you are). no line. music great all night. no fights AFAIK (only saw the barest inklings of aggression once or twice). Lil' Rickey played a standout set. Security was very pleasant and non-intrusive. got a better vibe from the house room than the breaks, but then that's just personal preference, both were excellent. didn't get anything stolen. a few naive little kids asking bizarre and silly questions about chemicals, but no significant problems with "too much of a good thing," substance-wise. not too crowded, not too hot, number of people just right. and yes it was relatively massive and it was $20, but it was worth it. ------------------------------- "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 20:34:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 616 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 20:34:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 607 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 20:34:46 -0000 Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 20:34:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19971110203435.10419.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [147.128.136.84] by send1a; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:34:35 PST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:34:35 -0800 (PST) From: Hai La Subject: Re: lets get together!!! To: maya katz , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i'm from san jose but i could go for an sf beach party. next sunday at noon sounds cool for me. i could bring my helpful friend along. we could help provide bbq stuffs for a group of 10 to 15 people. anybody loves bbq chickens out there? i love eating them; maybe because i was born in the chinese year of the chicken. feel my hugs mmmm.. hai ---maya katz wrote: > > okay kiddos!! now that we are all hot and bothered to meet each other, > lets set a day or something... time & place anyone? > if we wanted... and the weather was good next sunday we could all gather > at baker beach, or ocean beach in san francisco in the daytime... like a > pre party for a bigger one at someones house in a few weeks... i dunno- > i like the beach idea too, & i haven't gone out there in a while... So, > if any locals in SF want to meet at the beach next sunday, write me a > note, and lets go!!! Or, if someone was really interested, we could > even start at the beach in the day, and carpool to a party at someones > house if anyone wanted to on that night... afterwards or something... > > lovin' the livin' > and > passin' the lovin' > > ~maya~ > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 20:50:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3873 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 20:50:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 3545 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 20:50:06 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 20:50:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19971110204754.20858.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.158.204.136] by web4; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:47:54 PST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:47:54 -0800 (PST) From: macadio Subject: Re: Wonder (bsp) To: CuddlMeZoe@aol.com, w_family@hotmail.com, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Just a Mental note for everyone. This is NOT the same Harmony of SF that you have grown to know and love it is a totally different crew from L.A and I don't know who had the name first so I am not going to say who took who's name. Just a FYI!! Peace out Macadio ---CuddlMeZoe@aol.com wrote: > > Hallo, zOe bEar here *8-(]:o) > I haven't met most of you yet, but those of you I have, make for happy bears! > I'll be in L.A. for Harmony 2 next weekend so no Wonder for me =*( I'll be > with you in spirit! Much Love and mAd hUgs > ##warm fuzzies for your tummies## > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 20:59:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6818 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 20:59:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 6809 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 20:59:20 -0000 Received: from genie-open.gene.com (HELO genie.gene.com) (192.12.78.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 20:59:20 -0000 Received: from munch.gene.com (munch.gene.com [128.137.49.5]) by genie.gene.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04889; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (dhcp198-154.gene.com [128.137.198.154]) by munch.gene.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15100; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:59:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Matt Breedlove" Message-Id: <971110125915.ZM5671@default> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:59:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: josh sorkin "Re: the mystery party" (Nov 10, 12:03pm) References: <3.0.32.19971110120145.0072fb78@uclink4.berkeley.edu> reply-to: mbreedlo@gene.COM X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0.2 (4.0.2 Nov 8 1996) To: josh sorkin , mbreedlo@gene.COM, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: the mystery party Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk well...uhh i think you are wrong. I don't label myself "mainstream rave music listener" and actually Underworld is my favorite band (nice tag line) I think there is good music and there is crap. i heard crap From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 21:09:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10086 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 21:09:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 10065 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 21:09:33 -0000 Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 21:09:33 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id NAA28087 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:09:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34677ACD.4EE7FB5F@best.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:21:17 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: FORSALE: MUSIC EQUIPMENT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Not my stuff, just posting for a friend. No replies to me please. =) BOSS DS-330 (Dr Synth) Synth Module $200 / OBO Roland M-DC1 Dance Module (Rackmount version of the JV-SR09 Expansion Board.) $200 / OBO Email lancel@afsloans.com Pgr # 408.787.5159 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 21:29:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15471 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 21:29:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 15455 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 21:29:11 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 21:29:11 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-173.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.173]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA13820 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:29:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34677D0D.2B6F@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:30:53 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NA horoscopes for monday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk here is something i copied from hotmail. Note that this is based on sun sign astrology and therefore your results may vary. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< Horoscope for Aries The Sun is in Scorpio and the Moon is in Pisces. Don't you just hate it when somebody tries to lay a guilt trip on you? That's probably going to happen today. The Sun in Scorpio always raises your energy level, but it's not a pleasant sensation. Today that Pisces Moon puts the pressure on even harder. You may feel squeezed practically flat. For example, you may have to pay a big bill and you cannot have any more extensions. If you don't have enough money, go to a friend. One is in a generous mood this afternoon. It's also a good time to sell old toys. Horoscope for Taurus The Sun is in Scorpio and the Moon is in Pisces today. This is pretty good for you. It means that a partner and a friend will be there when you need them. In fact, you might not need them for much of anything. Isn't that just how it goes? When you don't need anybody, everybody is willing to help. In fact, they're all asking what they can do. They're volunteering their efforts. And there you are, with everything pretty much handled. There's only one way to solve this dilemma: You're going to have to come up with a new project, and quickly. Here's the good news. Every new idea you launch today is bound to succeed. Get busy and let it happen now. The earlier the better. Horoscope for Gemini We've got the Sun in Scorpio and the Moon in Pisces today. This is a rather difficult situation for you because both are nonverbal communicators. Pisces and Scorpio are both Water signs, and they're very emotional. You are an Air sign, and you're very intellectual. You also are very intelligent. But you may be missing a major source of input if you do all the talking today. The chances are better than average that you don't understand everything that's going on. That's because some of it is being done in private. If you watch and listen, you'll have a much better chance of staying up with the action. Keep most of your thoughts to yourself. Horoscope for Cancer We've got the Sun in Scorpio and the Moon in Pisces today. This is absolutely marvelous for you. It gives you a Grand Trine in Water signs again. You'd better hurry and take advantage of your opportunities, however. This situation will not last forever. In fact, it will barely last past dinnertime. If you want to start new projects, get those under way first thing this morning. During the middle of the day, you should finish details on things you've already begun. Later tonight, an older person will have a long list of things for you to do. This does not have to ruin your evening. By then, you will have enough time to get your own schemes firmly under way. Horoscope for Leo We've got the Sun in Scorpio and the Moon in Pisces. You should take care, especially where money is concerned. Be very careful spending your resources today. You need something for the home, but you'd rather buy toys. If you go shopping, keep that in mind. Otherwise, you'll spend all your money on toys and forget the groceries. That could cause all sorts of problems at home. Don't even try it. You're probably thinking that you deserve more fun because you've worked so hard lately. Instead of having that attitude, set a new goal for yourself. How about a trip to South America? If you start saving your money now, you can make it happen. Doesn't that make saving more appealing? Horoscope for Virgo We've got the Sun in Scorpio and the Moon in Pisces, which is a good combination. Both are Water signs, and they're very sensitive emotionally. Sometimes you may think that they're a bit too sensitive. Today, however, they're all going to be fussing over you. If you've been helping people get organized to make their dreams come true, they're starting to appreciate your effort. They're starting to notice that what they've been doing lately is more effective than what they were doing before you came into their lives. Consequently, you're getting a lot of positive attention. That will be true all week long. Might as well relax and enjoy it. It's also a good time for you romantically. If you get too critical, however, you could hurt your true love's feelings. Watch out for that. Otherwise, the coast is clear. Horoscope for Libra The Sun is in Scorpio and the Moon is in Pisces. This is a rather awkward combination for Libras. You are an intellectual person. You are rational, careful and calm in many instances. Basically, you like to look at all of the possibilities and then come to a decision based on intellect, not emotion. That method is not going to work today. The people who are the most successful will be doing things based on their emotions. To you, that will seem totally illogical. But it has its points. One could be an increase in pay. In other words, it's OK to use your emotions if the result will benefit everyone. You will get to perform the job that you do well. The other person will get something they need, and you will both make more money. If you have to cry or whine or cajole or manipulate in order to make this happen, you hereby have permission. Horoscope for Scorpio We've got the Sun in your sign and the Moon in Pisces. The Moon will be going into Aries later this afternoon. That means the morning is your best time for romance. Make the connection then. If there's a commitment to make, you can start discussing that, too. It's a good time to fantasize. Let your mind wander freely, and you'll come up with all sorts of fantastic ideas. You don't have to put them all into effect quite yet. Later in the week is probably better for that. In the meantime, you'll also want to make connections with a highly detail-oriented friend. That one will help you stay on course. You'd better set your agenda now. The rest of the week could get a little frantic. Horoscope for Sagittarius We've got the Sun in Scorpio and the Moon in Pisces. This is an awkward combination. You are a carefree, happy-go-lucky person. You'd like to just have your cards all out on the table. You don't like to connive or manipulate or pull strings to get what you want. In fact, you don't even like people who do those sorts of things. Today, you can find yourself right in the midst of a whole batch of them. All sorts of wheeling and dealing is going on. Somebody you live with could be involved. And he or she could be trying to get you to further that hidden agenda. Pay attention to what's going on around you. It could be to your advantage to know. You certainly don't have time to go on a guilt trip, so decline that invitation. Meanwhile, watch for ways you can use newfound skills. Horoscope for Capricorn We've got the Sun in Scorpio and the Moon in Pisces. That is a marvelous combination for you. It means that relationships with friends are going exceptionally well right now, and you're learning a lot. In fact, you could be finding out all sorts of interesting things that you'll be able to put to use later. Some of these new skills will allow you to make changes that will affect not only your future but also your past. You're finding out ways of dealing with your own history. For example, you don't have to let decisions that you made in the past run your life in the future. You can have a little more control over your own history than that. This evening you'll discover new information that could make things look quite different. The way you thought things were may not be the way they were at all. Consider the other side of the story. Horoscope for Aquarius We've got the Sun in Scorpio and the Moon in Pisces. This is an awkward combination for some people, yourself included. You are very intellectual. Aquarius is the sign of the scholar, the scientist and the research analyst. It's even the sign of the engineer. Today, a lot of Water signs have control of the situation. Scorpio and Pisces both go more by intuition than they do by logic. Well, it's a little-known fact that you would be even more powerful if you had more intuition going for you as well. It's a part of your brain that may not have been developed fully yet, but you can practice. Do that by watching and listening rather than telling people what to do. Horoscope for Pisces We've got the Sun in Scorpio and the Moon in your sign today. This is very nice. Actually, the morning is the best. By afternoon, the Moon will have gone into Aries, and you'll have to get practical again. This morning, you can let your fantasies run wild. You could have fabulous conversation right around lunchtime too. Get together with dear friends and make schemes for the future. Some of them might actually be doable, and one of them looks like it could lead to a fabulous romantic relationship. Be bold with your fantasies, but do it early. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 21:34:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17062 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 21:33:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 17053 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 21:33:56 -0000 Received: from mrin86.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin86.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.196) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 21:33:56 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA27145 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:33:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: Daveglide@aol.com Message-ID: <971110163118_865794245@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Shell-shocked 9-5ers Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey folks; Thanks for all your support and insight on the 9-5 working world and the balance in trying to find more of a life. Don't really know what a support group would look like -- maybe just a telephone call to motivate off the couch would help... Anyway, I live right around the corner from the Justice League, and am going to check out a supposed D&B record release party tonight. Wooooo...big night out...Monday and everything...Anyway, I do have tomorrow off (thank you, vets) and if I can't motivate to get around the corner, my life is more pathetic than I would've thought possible. peas y'all, LaurenG. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 21:35:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17813 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 21:35:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 17804 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 21:35:33 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.13) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 21:35:33 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA06305; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:33:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca9-04.ix.netcom.com(207.93.148.68) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006240; Mon Nov 10 15:32:51 1997 Message-ID: <30A3C514.FDD514C0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:33:08 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainmnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: utopia CC: mdowner@neurex.com, byroni@ccnet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, lara@vibe.org, chenevic@visa.com, yareach8@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Letts all meet at the Drive-Ins. References: <88256547.007C9705.00@mother.neurex.com> <3.0.3.32.19971110015414.006b6c04@mail.cwia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well, unfortunently the weather forcast does not look very promising for the drivins on tuesday night. I still plan on going out there sometime this week to see Starship Troopers and Men In Black on field 1... But only if it doesn't rain, but I doubt that it will be untill Wednesday or Thursday of this week. I will post a definete time when i will go out there for anyone that wants to come out and check out the flick. A great place for everyone to meet up would be on Nov 28th at Spirit. This is the first "word-of mouth-underground" that Feel Good E. is doing in the past 3 years, and we Feel that it will be a real Goodie!!!!! But due to space limitations, there will be a limited capacity on the amount of people that will get in, and those that wait till the last minuit won't stand a chance... so if all you on this list want to get together at a great underground this Thanksgiving, and help raise money for the Homeless this winter, then act eary and get your tix when they go on sale this friday, the 14th. Check the website for more info http://www.globalparty.com or call for info @ 415-263-0483 This may all sound like a bunch of BSP, but at the same time I am a member of this community and have been for a long time, and would love to meet all of you as well, and can't think of a beter place, or a beter cause... Keep it Real Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 21:47:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21036 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 21:47:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 21022 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 21:47:01 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 21:47:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19971110214505.14613.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by attach1; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:45:05 PST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:45:05 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Explicit House (Review) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk First, I want to say thanks to the beautiful group of people I was with on Saturday night. You all really made this evening one to remember 8) Got to the location on 2nd and Jackson at about 12:00 or so. I really like this spot when its not too crowded, its cool, roomy, and handles the sound pretty well. I have to say that this was by far some of the best music and DJ performances that I have seen in a long while. We missed most of DJ Nitro's set but he set the theme for the evening with some unreal skills (scratching backwards and such) and some really good music. I missed Kimo but heard he was going off as well. We walked into the breakbeat room just as Lil' Ricky was starting his set. He was blowing the place up scratching crazy, abusing his fader, and throwing some of the toughest beats I have heard in while. He had the place rockin'. A good combination of breaks, speed garage, and house. Essence came on next and the place went nuts super funky with great build-ups and insane scratching as well. The vibe was very intense, but super happy. Instead of wasting more bandwith I'll close with this, with the right combination of music, mixing, and showmanship this party gets an A. I haven't seen so many perfectly performed tricks, with such good music, and all the DJ's seemed to really be on. Just one good song after the next. Not to mention the great company. LL Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 21:51:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22688 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 21:51:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 22381 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 21:51:03 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 21:51:03 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25187; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA14615; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:44:38 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:53:00 -0800 To: macadio From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: Wonder (bsp) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Just a Mental note for everyone. >This is NOT the same Harmony of SF that you have >grown to know and love it is a totally different crew >from L.A and I don't know who had the name first so I >am not going to say who took who's name. well, "Harmony" is a pretty common theme for us, so someone didn't necessarily take anyone's name. besides, it sound like "Harmony" in LA might be a party, not a crew...? -boom >---CuddlMeZoe@aol.com wrote: >> >> Hallo, zOe bEar here *8-(]:o) >> I haven't met most of you yet, but those of you I >have, make for happy bears! >> I'll be in L.A. for Harmony 2 next weekend so no >Wonder for me =*( I'll be >> with you in spirit! Much Love and mAd hUgs >> ##warm fuzzies for your tummies## >> > >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 22:21:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5780 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 22:21:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 5771 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 22:21:50 -0000 Received: from raven.dartmouth.edu (dsp@129.170.111.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 22:21:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (dsp@localhost) by raven.dartmouth.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA27264 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:17:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:17:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Garrett P. James" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: THE SCSNE, 16year olds, Boring parties Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk this is kind of in response to an email posted by some 22 yeard old adult i really dont think it matters that young kids do all that. i was that young when i started, i thought it was the most amazing thing in my life and have been hardcore involved from the heart since the first time ever. its not the kids fault that parties are f'n BORING nowadays on the whole, its completely the adults in charge.... so often now there is no not ONE bit of fresh NEW music, same old same old, no future music no new ideas no crazy NEW things, just the same old COMPLETELY LIT UP room with spastik unartistic lighting schemes and black lights that make everything look candy-bloo the reason the scene on the WHOLE looks SOOO damn lame lately is the big promoters have no idea what is truly going to make something like a gathering leave a permanent impact.... for 1 maybe shut off the cheesy ass "rave" lites and make it dark so paople 1) think its badass, 2) can lose their shit and dance really hard without being embarassed, and if its dark who CARES what anyone is wearing????!!! duh! little parties on the other hand, fresh music, NEW music (yes new music is MORE prominent in stores than that testosterone breaks shit that every male homee spins at these raves nowadays) and no lights, just moonlight, or glowsticks at MOST. nothing like those underground parties where the only way you can SEE at ALL is by glowstick or micromaglight (or a sliver of the moon) things started off so great because the "setting" and the presentation were valued much higher, badass music could occur, people didnt give a crap who you were, where you were from, or what you wore, (because they couldnt even SEE you practically ;) now these "parties" not raves, seem light fashion balls with all the spotlights and bloo shit and lazers and lack of sound system....... just some thoughts.... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 22:25:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9477 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 22:25:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 9467 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 22:25:27 -0000 Received: from raven.dartmouth.edu (dsp@129.170.111.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 22:25:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (dsp@localhost) by raven.dartmouth.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA27280 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:20:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:20:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Garrett P. James" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: big partys Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i have to give major props to the crew that did freedom however.... fresh new raging awesome music in the jungle techno and house genres great great artistic visuals (by far the most well thought out ive ever seen) i was really excited to hear jon williams and stacey pullen pull out tons of new fresh future wax the smiling faces on a couple older "kids" i ran into out in the field they were likie "this music is sooo awesome its unlike i ever heard before!!!" kinda wicked when people with the mass motivation to do very large shit also have a good idea what rules :) the jungle tent was so mili9tary heheheheh i loved it From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 22:31:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11699 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 22:31:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 11680 invoked by uid 24); 10 Nov 1997 22:31:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 26795 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 16:32:25 -0000 Received: from mrin58.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin58.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.168) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 16:32:25 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA22213 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:31:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:31:58 -0500 (EST) From: Cryshia@aol.com Message-ID: <971110113157_-424690962@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Explicit House!! Help!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, I'm a shy litle lurker here on SFRaves..... I went to Explicit House on Saturday and had SUCH a carayzeeeee time!! wAs anyone else there?? There was this one DJ, I don't know who he was, but I HAVE TO KNOW WHO HE WAS -- he was spinning the most AMAZING tunes -- there was this one, it was like the sound of a train, with the tooting and whistles, it sounded like there was a real live train in the main room -- it was the only distinctive song that I can readily identify without singing it... =) Can anyone help me??? It was a completely mindnumbing experience !! thank you all, love and kisses cryshia From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 22:36:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13798 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 22:36:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 13788 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 22:36:28 -0000 Received: from mother.neurex.com (38.221.50.170) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 22:36:28 -0000 Received: by mother.neurex.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8825654B.007C6D48 ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:39:04 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NEUREX CORPORATION From: mdowner@neurex.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <8825654B.007C3F8D.00@mother.neurex.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:39:01 -0700 Subject: Laminates? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Are there going to be any new laminates soon? All mine have gotten stolen and I feel so naked wthout them. Matthew L. Downer (AKA Cracked Out Elmo) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 22:41:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15361 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 22:41:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 15350 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 22:41:05 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 22:41:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19971110223851.17544.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [153.35.239.216] by web4; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:38:51 PST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:38:51 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: ultra dissapointed To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello. It took me a long time to catch up on all my reading of the posts to sfraves. My mistake was waiting a week to start reading the posts after I joined. Now, 463 posts one bad case of eyestrain later, I have caught up. I was in Walgreens to day and I heard one of my favorite songs by the band America you know the one that goes: Been to the desert on a horse with no name. Felt good to get out of the rain. In the desert you can remember your name. Cause there aint no one for to give you no pain. And I just could not help but stop and think- That the writers of the song obviously never went to burning man and dropped some crytal laced E cause let me tell you- well never mind thats a long story... I found out yesterday that Ultra at VSF is dicontunuing its Monday night gathering. I am sad to hear this as my first time there was last week and I found it to be a very good vibe. And the space was also really great with plenty of room to dance. That, unfortunately, was also the problem- they were looking to pack em in as tight as possible. I dunno about you- but dancing in constricted spaces is a drag hot sweaty and clumsy. But I rattle on... pj. Fuzzy =} Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 22:52:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18853 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 22:52:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 18844 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 22:52:34 -0000 Received: from portal.visa.com (198.80.42.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 22:52:34 -0000 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA28023 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for sfraves@hyperreal.org); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:52:24 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:52:24 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Chenevich, Chris" To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" Subject: RE: Laminates? Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:53:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was wondering about this too, all my friends on SoCal Raves have neat little laminates to help spot each other at parties. Do you all in SF land have a similar thingee, and how does one go about getting one? -Chris- >---------- >From: mdowner@neurex.com[SMTP:mdowner@neurex.com] >Sent: Monday, November 10, 1997 1:39 PM >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Laminates? > > >Are there going to be any new laminates soon? All mine have gotten stolen >and I feel so naked wthout them. > > Matthew L. Downer (AKA Cracked Out Elmo) > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 22:58:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19947 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 22:58:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 19938 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 22:58:28 -0000 Received: from viking.dvc.edu (192.235.0.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 22:58:28 -0000 Received: by viking.dvc.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0xV2rB-002QX1C; Mon, 10 Nov 97 15:02 PST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:02:57 -0800 (PST) From: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: *** Laminates- DIY *** Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I believe you can still download the URL addy for the designs. Print copies out, paste them together, and bring to Kinko's for lamination, and valla... you can be a SFRaver! http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/sf/laminates Ciao, Mr. E Hope this works! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:05:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22795 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:05:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22779 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:04:59 -0000 Received: from mrin52.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin52.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.162) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:04:59 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA17361 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:04:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:04:30 -0500 (EST) From: DJHaas@aol.com Message-ID: <971110175932_305757784@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: I've finally found a home! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk It's so great to have come upon sfraves! I have been in Santa Cruz for about two years now, and partying for about the same amount of time. I just got a modem and am excited to have found this rave community. Anyways, I was wondering what's hot this weekend. I heard a lot of good stuff about Quest, I was bombarded with flyers for it Saturday at Explicit House. The line up looks dope. Anyone else going, perhaps from Santa Cruz. Maybe we could carpool! Much love and PLUR Haas From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:12:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24606 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:12:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 24595 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:12:16 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:12:16 -0000 Received: from hikaru-mccarthy (Roses@ppp-206-170-3-74.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.3.74]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA25213; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:12:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346791E6.762A@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:59:50 -0800 From: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" Reply-To: mickeymc@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-PBWG (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ravalum@pacbell.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Laminates] References: <34182046.194@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ravalum@pacbell.net wrote: > > *********Go to this place for the Laminates. > > http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/sf/laminates/ > > See you all soon I hope, > PEACE & TERESA > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Laminates > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:43:59 -0700 > From: ravalum@pacbell.net > To: "Neves, Kathleen" > References: > > Neves, Kathleen wrote: > > > > Does anyone know where I can download images to make an SFR laminate? > > *********Go to this place for the Laminates. > > http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/sf/laminates/ > > See you all soon I hope, > PEACE & TERESA this is from waybakwhen... well not really, mebbe 2 months ago, when the question of laminates came up before... unfortunately, I still don't have a laminate since I have no color printah... mebbe I'll go fer b&w one. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:15:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25446 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:15:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 25419 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:14:59 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:14:59 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-178.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.178]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA17141 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:14:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346795E1.5E6E@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:16:49 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Laminates? References: <8825654B.007C3F8D.00@mother.neurex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk mdowner@neurex.com wrote: > > Are there going to be any new laminates soon? All mine have gotten stolen > and I feel so naked wthout them. > > i have been wanting to make laminates with your astrology chart on them and plan on doing that as soon as i find a good cheap source for laminating so i can afford to give them away free. otherwise i may have to ask for a small donation. I also hope to make these at partys soon also. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:20:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26561 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:20:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 26551 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:20:17 -0000 Received: from italy-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO italy.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:20:17 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (1Cust216.tnt12.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.33.216]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA21709 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:20:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34679A2D.2383@earthlink.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:35:09 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: DJ Icey info & more Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Niels... DJ Icey hails from Orlando (YEAH!!! FLORIDA!!!!) and you may find something of his on a compilation called 'Sunshine State of Mind'. I think there are a couple of them. Too bad you didn't post this a tad earlier, he just did like a 2 hour mix on Subsonic (ewwwww... Live 105?? How shiesty and commercialistic of me!) If you like him, you'll probably like DJ Sandee/Sandy (sp?) also from Orlando. He made a pretty good track called 'Rhythm Machine/Hydro plane mix' Nice breakbeat. Florida seems to be breeding 'em well lately (after all, I'm a native! ; ) -TRACY From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:22:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27250 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:22:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 27237 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:22:36 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:22:36 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-178.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.178]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA20749 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:22:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346797AB.6BD4@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:24:27 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: laminates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk one idea i just saw swim thru my brain, excuse me i mean thru my head ( didnt mean to imply i had a brain) Get some flyers for the party and use that for one side and put an sfrave design on the other along with the meeting place and time for the group hug. Make up a few dozen or so depending on the size of the party and pass then around at the party. please feel free to steal this idea...I will just make more ideas. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish putting the fun back in dysFUNctional From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:27:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28798 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:27:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 28788 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:27:31 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:27:31 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.197.182]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA283; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:26:24 -0800 Reply-To: "ULTRA" From: ultra@funkytekno.com (ULTRA) To: "pj fuzzy" Cc: "SFRAVES" Subject: Re: ultra dissapointed Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:19:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-ID: <19971110232602333.AAA283@mohan> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hi... ultra will be next summer.... and we're planning a few more surprises for next year... in the meantime, to continue our tradition of brigining in the dopest artists... be it drum @ bass, hip-hop, house, techno... we have 4 exciting shows lined up over the next 3 weeks.... and we're having the Metalheadz come out in december for a one-offf.... Mohan FTT TONITE Monday November 10th ULTRA Presents Season Finale ( V-Classics Tour Jumping Jack Frost, Ray Keith, Brian G and MC Moose 21+ Club V/SF Thursday November 13th FTT Presents SPRING HEEL JACK (LIVE) with Tomas and Noel 18+ Bimbo's $12 Tuesday November 18th FTT Presents BENTLEY RHYTHM ACE (LIVE) 18+ Bimbo's Saturday November 22nd ENIT Presents Funky Tekno Tribe Janes' Addiction Goldie Bill Graham Civc 18+ Tuesday November 25th Funky Tekno Tribe Presents GOLDIE (live) Bimbo's 18+ $13 presale All tickets available online... http://www.funkytekno.com http://www.ticketweb.com -----Original Message----- From: pj fuzzy To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 2:40 PM Subject: ultra dissapointed >Hello. > >It took me a long time to catch up on all my reading >of the posts to sfraves. >My mistake was waiting a week to start reading the >posts after I joined. Now, 463 posts one bad case of >eyestrain later, I have caught up. > >I was in Walgreens to day and I heard one of my >favorite songs by the band America you know the one >that goes: >Been to the desert on a horse with no name. >Felt good to get out of the rain. >In the desert you can remember your name. >Cause there aint no one for to give you no pain. > >And I just could not help but stop and think- >That the writers of the song obviously never went to >burning man and dropped some crytal laced E cause let >me tell you- well never mind thats a long story... > >I found out yesterday that Ultra at VSF is >dicontunuing its Monday night gathering. I am sad to >hear this as my first time there was last week and I >found it to be a very good vibe. And the space was >also really great with plenty of room to dance. >That, unfortunately, was also the problem- they were >looking to pack em in as tight as possible. I dunno >about you- but dancing in constricted spaces is a >drag hot sweaty and clumsy. > >But I rattle on... > >pj. Fuzzy =} > > > > > > > > > > >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:29:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29529 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:29:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 29520 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:29:44 -0000 Received: from netcom12.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.124) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:29:44 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA00340; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:29:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:29:34 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: hip-hop (nrr? who knoze) To: Pengo cc: Megan Haggerty , Josh_E Josh , lara@vibe.org, rewindop@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <34676BE9.DF0C4949@ten.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk DJ SHADOW!!!! KDVS IN THE HOUSE!!!!! :) On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Pengo wrote: > > A Live Band is a Live Act. The term "live act" seems very general: it > > could be anything form performace art to spoken word or even a (gasp)... > > band! I can understand not wanting "band" type music at a rave. But let's > > not get too high on our scene's live artists by insinuating they are much > > different than any other form of live music. More appropriate music for a > > rave, yes, but not really that much different in terms of live > > preformances. > > In an interesting note, DJ Shadow's new "High Noon" single makes some > refrences to Rock & Roll and has a very Rock & Rollish sound. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:35:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 946 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:35:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 934 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:35:23 -0000 Received: from netcom12.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.124) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:35:23 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA01124; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:35:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:35:13 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: THE SCSNE, 16year olds, Boring parties To: "Garrett P. James" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk "testosterone breaks"??? huh? I've been partying for a while now and I hardly ever hear breakbeat, testosterone or not. Tha's one of the reasons why I spin it! People are always posting shit about how they hear breakbeats everywhere but when I go out I always hear trance and house (and maybe some jungle! yay!). Where are these testosterone breaks parties? I wanna go! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:39:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2383 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:39:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 2350 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:39:51 -0000 Received: from netcom12.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.124) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:39:51 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA01379; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:39:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:39:46 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: RE: Laminates? To: "Chenevich, Chris" cc: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You know what's really funny here? Let me tell you: My buddy Joe (j_friday@netcom.com) got into the scene up there in SF when I dragged his ass to the Cabin Party about a year ago. He loved it and was hooked. Then he moved down here after he graduated from UCD. So, down here there's been a laminate argument almost as long as there's been a socal-raves. No one can ever agree on a laminate and blah blah. So A couple of weeks ago, my man Joe just up and makes a cubic ass-load of laminates (that are pretty damn bad-ass I must say) and starts handing them out! Now, the reason he did this was because he loved the SFRaves scene with everyone and they're laminates. :D :D :D It's really funny to me. :) On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Chenevich, Chris wrote: > I was wondering about this too, all my friends on SoCal Raves have neat > little laminates to help spot each other at parties. Do you all in SF > land have a similar thingee, and how does one go about getting one? > > -Chris- > > >---------- > >From: mdowner@neurex.com[SMTP:mdowner@neurex.com] > >Sent: Monday, November 10, 1997 1:39 PM > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Laminates? > > > > > >Are there going to be any new laminates soon? All mine have gotten stolen > >and I feel so naked wthout them. > > > > Matthew L. Downer (AKA Cracked Out Elmo) > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:40:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2985 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:40:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 2878 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:40:01 -0000 Received: from u2.netgate.net (haze@204.145.147.8) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:40:01 -0000 Received: (from haze@localhost) by u2.netgate.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20274 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: Haze Message-Id: <199711102341.PAA20274@u2.netgate.net> Subject: Terminology To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:41:48 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: haze@netgate.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, Here I go, putting my neck out on the line for a variety of things, to help myself understand some of the things said on this list. Being new to the scene, needless to say, some of the terminlogy being used by some of the more experienced Ravers is going over my head. So far I don't think I've missed anything dire, but I'm going to ask this anyway. Is there anyway someone can either post to the list, or send me in private email, a list of Raver specific slang and sayings and terminology etc, so the vocabulary challenged, such as myself, might have a better idea of what you're all talking about sometimes. Example: Breakers - From what I can tell, it has something to do with music. :P Terms like that, and other things used (especially in the reports people have given of the parties they went to this last weekend), are just flying right over my head. Thanks in advance y'all. Haze From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:43:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3769 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:43:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 3751 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:43:09 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:43:09 -0000 Received: from jeff.utron.com ([208.138.43.35]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13941; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:42:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711102342.PAA13941@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff @ Work" To: , Subject: Re: Explicit House!! Help!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:42:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Choo choo!! Hmmm.. DJ Carlos likes to make thoughs choo choo train sounds in his sets.. Maybe it was him. Did DJ Carlos spin that night? The babes dig his mixes.. That's a givin.. He just puts on his favorite battle record and bounces the needle up and down on it.. Choo choo!! Awight then.. I was NOT there. I had bettah things to do. Hype is STUPID! Besides, DJ Carlos was at Pablo's! So I didn't miss anything. Completely possible that, he might have been at your little ravE thingie too... Peace. Jeff From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 10 23:52:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5760 invoked by uid 6000); 10 Nov 1997 23:52:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 5733 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 23:52:25 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 23:52:25 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26268; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA15820; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:46:26 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:54:49 -0800 To: haze@netgate.net From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: Terminology Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk are you a narc? just kidding...i think (?) :o| -boom PS: narc = law enforcement official PPS: All apologies and welcome to the list if you're not. :o) Hee, hee. >Hello all, > >Here I go, putting my neck out on the line for a variety of things, to help >myself understand some of the things said on this list. Being new to the >scene, needless to say, some of the terminlogy being used by some of the >more experienced Ravers is going over my head. So far I don't think I've >missed anything dire, but I'm going to ask this anyway. > >Is there anyway someone can either post to the list, or send me in private >email, a list of Raver specific slang and sayings and terminology etc, so >the vocabulary challenged, such as myself, might have a better idea of what >you're all talking about sometimes. > >Example: >Breakers - From what I can tell, it has something to do with music. :P > >Terms like that, and other things used (especially in the reports people >have given of the parties they went to this last weekend), are just flying >right over my head. > >Thanks in advance y'all. > >Haze From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 00:25:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18972 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 00:24:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 18951 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 00:24:54 -0000 Received: from norway-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO norway.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.49) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 00:24:54 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (1Cust68.tnt10.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.28.68]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01921 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:24:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3467A953.350F@earthlink.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:39:47 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Mamma has some updates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi kidz! Just so you know. Tickets for 'Spring Heel Jack' (YEAH!!!) are $12 NOT $10 and the receptionist @ Bimbo's said that there will be plenty available @ the door... So who's going besides me? Also, how would the day after Thanksgiving be for a get-together @ my house? My best friend from Canada will be visiting & so will my niece. She's 16 and is dying to visit again 'cause she says I'm such a cool aunt (now THAT'S a compliment coming from a 16 year old!) If anyone is interested in providing some homemade entertainment (spinning of course) I (and I'm sure the rest of us) would be much appreciative (Meesta Zanotto?). Too bad Uncle Noah can't come all the way up here (ahem) 'cause he's the SHIZ-NIT (you DO spin some funky 'testosterone' breaks Noah.. I grew facial hair when I heard you!). So who's going to Ultra tonite? How 'bout Phunckatech? I would like (in vain as usual I'm sure) to meet some of those who are going. If you are, e me (I'm digest-ing so I only get a couple of posts daily) so maybe I can actually have some sort of face2name thing kickin' for a change. If you see a crazy girl with a black & red knit cap on or with my big blonde afro in-effect, bouncing around like a rubba ball... that's prolly me! -TRACY From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 00:48:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26777 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 00:48:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 26745 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 00:48:24 -0000 Received: from mother.neurex.com (38.221.50.170) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 00:48:24 -0000 Received: by mother.neurex.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8825654C.0004A976 ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:50:55 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NEUREX CORPORATION From: mdowner@neurex.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <8825654C.00044891.00@mother.neurex.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:50:50 -0700 Subject: Could you do me a favor? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I need to as anyone who is at home at 5:00pm and watching 4-KRON if they could record the pain managment documentry. KRON was here last week filming us here and I really want to see this. I don't get out of here till like 11:00pm on week nights and I do not want to miss this!! If you can record it please give me a call at work @ 650-614-1031. Thanks ahead. Matthew From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 02:25:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25164 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 02:25:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 25151 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 02:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 02:25:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 25567 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 1997 02:25:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19971111022516.25564.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.86.155.91 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:25:13 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.86.155.91] From: "Josh_E Josh" To: peter@niles.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hip-hop (nrr? who knoze) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:25:13 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i think the point that's trying to be made tho, is that rave borrows heavily from 3 main sources: o early electronic (instrumentation & sound) o disco (beatmatching, club lifestyle, partying all night, flambuoyant clothes) o hip hop (scratching, sampling & other turntable trickery, breakbeat and jungle, athletic gear, illegal parties & dodging cops) which goes back to Moshe's point....stop busting on hip-hop; it is a part of what we are today! so putchya mf hands in the a-ya & wave em like ya jus don ca-ya. -MC Mad Dawg Boomerang Next week historian Phred Heutte traces Our geneology from the Edwardian Period through the Postmodern Age. ------------------------------------------------------------ I couldn't have said it better myself, that's probably why I didn't. Josh "E" Josh From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 02:48:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2668 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 02:48:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 2376 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 02:48:08 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 02:48:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA16103; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:48:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:48:22 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: macadio cc: CuddlMeZoe@aol.com, w_family@hotmail.com, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Wonder (bsp) In-Reply-To: <19971110204754.20858.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk all i know, if any of you are planning to go down south for this event, i have been told by friends in LA that the vibe was THICK and the party was BOMB for the first Harmony. :) and i doubt names were stolen. but that's my niave opinion, you know me. hi macadio! xoxo (and stareyes, mars and myster-e are gonna be @ HarmonyII< featuring stariana's presence!!!) xo *thinking about a trip to LA* lara On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, macadio wrote: > > Just a Mental note for everyone. > This is NOT the same Harmony of SF that you have > grown to know and love it is a totally different crew > from L.A and I don't know who had the name first so I > am not going to say who took who's name. Just a FYI!! > > Peace out > Macadio > > > > ---CuddlMeZoe@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hallo, zOe bEar here *8-(]:o) > > I haven't met most of you yet, but those of you I > have, make for happy bears! > > I'll be in L.A. for Harmony 2 next weekend so no > Wonder for me =*( I'll be > > with you in spirit! Much Love and mAd hUgs > > ##warm fuzzies for your tummies## > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 03:10:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8618 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 03:10:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 8608 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 03:10:34 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 03:10:34 -0000 Received: from shorvitz.pbi.net (csota-206-171-132-175.csota.pbi.net [206.171.132.175]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA08388; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:09:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971110190802.01669174@postoffice.pacbell.net> X-Sender: sutekh@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:08:02 -0800 To: "lara at vibe.org" From: Seth Subject: Re: Wonder (bsp) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: References: <19971110204754.20858.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 09:48 PM 11/10/97 -0500, lara at vibe.org wrote: >all i know, if any of you are planning to go down south for this event, i >have been told by friends in LA that the vibe was THICK and the party was >BOMB for the first Harmony. > >lara > >On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, macadio wrote: > >> >> Just a Mental note for everyone. >> This is NOT the same Harmony of SF that you have >> grown to know and love it is a totally different crew >> from L.A and I don't know who had the name first so I >> am not going to say who took who's name. Just a FYI!! >> >> Peace out >> Macadio It looks like the name Harmony is in use all over. It does seem like a fairly universal concept, though I think Harmony Productions here in the Bay Area has the name registered. Will we see a lawsuit? hee hee ;) Here's a party coming up in Kalamazoo, MI: Friday, November 21, 1997 - Kalamazoo, Michigan Premier Records, mechanisms industries & Friends presents HARMONY with DJs: Baby Pop (Tetrode/Relief Records, Chicago, IL) Chancellor (Premier Records, Kalamazoo, MI) Fanon Flowers (mechanisms industries, Ann Arbor, MI) Powerhouse (Columbus, OH) & other local Kalamazoo DJs (some from Big Fellas) $7 before midnight Supported by Big Fellas & ?Holistic Music Across from NAPA Auto Parts on Washington at Portage, in Kalamazoo (enter in back) Directions from I-94 E & W: Portage/Kilgore exit 78, Portage Road North past Deja Vu, right on Washington -Seth |||| d j . s u t e k h |||| b e l i e f - s y s t e m s |||| o a k l a n d . c a . u s a |||| http://www.belief-systems.com |||| http://www.nodeone.com/static ....................................................................... Nov. 13: darin marshall and sutekh on www.betalounge.com Nov. 30: .inhabit.the.machines with neil landstrumm and tobias schmidt live, dave tarrida of sativae. sf.ca. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 03:13:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9678 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 03:13:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 9666 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 03:13:39 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 03:13:39 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09830; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:22:59 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jsl-thz@v-site.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34676BE9.DF0C4949@ten.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:14:32 -0800 To: Pengo@ten.net From: Megan Haggerty Subject: Re: hip-hop (nrr? who knoze) Cc: Josh_E Josh , lara@vibe.org, rewindop@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 12:17 PM -0800 11/10/97, Pengo wrote: >> A Live Band is a Live Act. The term "live act" seems very general: it >> could be anything form performace art to spoken word or even a (gasp)... >> band! I can understand not wanting "band" type music at a rave. But let's >> not get too high on our scene's live artists by insinuating they are much >> different than any other form of live music. More appropriate music for a >> rave, yes, but not really that much different in terms of live >> preformances. > > In an interesting note, DJ Shadow's new "High Noon" single makes some >refrences to Rock & Roll and has a very Rock & Rollish sound. And if anyone ever heard DJ Thomas (formerly of Wicked) spin back in his House days, you might have heard a bit of Zeplin or other Rock & Roll. Untraditional but the shit rocked, nontheless. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 03:36:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13894 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 03:36:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 13882 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 03:36:53 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 03:36:53 -0000 Received: from [206.169.229.91] (malay-91.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.91]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06798 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:36:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:36:54 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: deepfog@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "You're Busted!" From: Deepfog Subject: re: Spencer and "The People's Lawyer". Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ...Huh? =\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\~ >hey.... does anyone else here see a resemblence between Spencer from >Warmth and "The People's Lawyer"? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 03:39:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16114 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 03:39:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16095 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 03:39:23 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 03:39:23 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mail.aol.com (mrin39.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.149]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA09586; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:04:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from DJHaas@aol.com) From: DJHaas@AOL.COM Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA10437; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:02:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:02:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971111030242_-1508932215@mrin39> To: Cryshia@AOL.COM, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Explicit House!! Help!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk What room was he/she spinning in and at what time? I'm thinkin it could have been Nitro. It was a pretty dope party. The sound you described sounds something like DJ Dan Loose Caboose. If you don't know it (for some weird reason) check it out. Lovey time yum yums Haas From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 04:09:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22415 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 04:09:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 22269 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 04:08:59 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 04:08:59 -0000 Received: from mrin40.mail.aol.com (mrin40.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.150]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA08833 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:07:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from CuddlMeZoe@aol.com) From: CuddlMeZoe@AOL.COM Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA18032 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:06:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:06:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971111020612_798119152@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: H@rMoNy 2 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Harmony 2 is put on by the Happy Hardcore Hit-Squad. If ya want info on this dope lil party, go to: www.ravenetwork.com/hardcore/events/harmony2.html All the good vibe loves will be there. Come together in harmony :o) An abundance of hugs for all <3<3<3<3<3<3<3 mIsS zOe BeAr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 04:11:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26902 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 04:11:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 26742 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 04:11:14 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 04:11:14 -0000 Received: from mrin58.mail.aol.com (mrin58.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.168]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA08324 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:24:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Natasha426@aol.com) From: Natasha426@AOL.COM Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA24691 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:22:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:22:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971111012245_1725588669@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Explicit House Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay, first off let me say this -- OH MY GAWD!!!! :) What a great time.... incredible music, nice open space, lotta positive energy, kewl visuals, very friendly police officers!! Beautiful people!! I haven't been to something this awesome in a long time :) I was moved by everything I heard...saw....felt....wish I brought my camera in tho =( thank you thank you thank you to layne liz megan alex kryssa.....and ......(drumroll please).......JOSH!!! you are truly bEEEEEautiful people :) hugs and hearts, natasha :) hehee From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 04:14:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 312 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 04:14:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 29610 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 04:13:54 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 04:13:54 -0000 Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA07572 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:51:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from csotto@worldnet.att.net) Received: from LOCALNAME ([12.64.0.65]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA3950; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 05:50:29 +0000 Message-ID: <34680370.673@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:04:16 -0800 From: Christian Sotto X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cryshia@AOL.COM CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Explicit House!! Help!! References: <971110113157_-424690962@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk choo..choo....it was Mark Lewis from LA......how about Paul Johnson's set...he tore it up!.....christian From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 04:14:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1127 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 04:14:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 927 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 04:14:33 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 04:14:33 -0000 Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA07392 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:39:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from emdash@sirius.com) Received: from [205.134.235.38] (ppp-asfm01--046.sirius.net [205.134.235.46]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id VAA02295 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:37:56 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: emdash@mail.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:52:00 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: emdash@sirius.com (e.menon) Subject: zippy Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk who saw it in yesterday's funnies?? e. :) ............................................................................. "I dont think 'This is my party' is applicable anymore. The party's kind of over. Now it's more like, 'This is my life,' 'This is my tribe.'" - Nan Goldin "That so few now dare to be eccentric marks the cheif danger of the time." - John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 04:14:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1151 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 04:14:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 880 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 04:14:32 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 04:14:32 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (F57.hotmail.com [207.82.250.143]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA07482 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:44:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from breaker2000@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 19064 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 1997 05:43:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19971111054332.19063.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.29 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:43:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.29] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, haze@netgate.net Subject: Re: Terminology Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:43:32 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > >Example: >Breakers - From what I can tell, it has something to do with music. >:P > Breaker..... That's me I wave ¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.- I run around on the floor jump around on my hands lean on my arms act like a robot and sport my adidas :) thats a breaker hope it clarified all for you :) Peace Philip disordr hAx0r wItH a GnU j0b From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 04:20:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7128 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 04:20:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 6981 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 04:19:58 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 04:19:58 -0000 Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA07616 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:53:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from emdash@sirius.com) Received: from [205.134.235.38] (ppp-asfm03--121.sirius.net [205.134.235.121]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id VAA02925 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:52:09 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: emdash@mail.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:06:14 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: emdash@sirius.com (e.menon) Subject: who was that?? (more explicit house) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk spinning around 5-5:30ish??? :):):) made my night! i couldn't tell you which room i/he was in (the better one?? ;) but he was spinning (which i found out thank you layne and you _must_ make me a tape) 'i'm alive' by stretch and burn. anyone know who _was_ that?? thanks in advance! cheers - e. :) (oh yeah - please respond to me as i'm weaning myself from the list!) ............................................................................. "I dont think 'This is my party' is applicable anymore. The party's kind of over. Now it's more like, 'This is my life,' 'This is my tribe.'" - Nan Goldin "That so few now dare to be eccentric marks the cheif danger of the time." - John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 04:20:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7827 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 04:20:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7661 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 04:20:23 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 04:20:23 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (F11.hotmail.com [207.82.250.22]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA07359 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:34:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from breaker2000@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 19582 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 1997 05:34:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19971111053411.19581.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.29 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:34:11 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.29] From: "Break Dancer" To: Pengo@ten.net, unclenoa@netcom.com Cc: megan@twenty-hz.com, josh_e_josh@hotmail.com, lara@vibe.org, rewindop@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hip-hop (nrr? who knoze) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:34:11 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Did I hear KDVS!!!!... yeahhhhhh!!! thats where I live and go to school, DAVIS!!!!!!! also if you guys know who blackalicious is, they came out of Davis and have on their album a "live flow" recorded at KDVS :) ok... have a pleasant evening your gracious host, Philip 0r j00r w0rSt nIgHtMaRe, DiS0rDr > > > >DJ SHADOW!!!! KDVS IN THE HOUSE!!!!! > >:) > > > >On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Pengo wrote: > >> > A Live Band is a Live Act. The term "live act" seems very general: it >> > could be anything form performace art to spoken word or even a (gasp)... >> > band! I can understand not wanting "band" type music at a rave. But let's >> > not get too high on our scene's live artists by insinuating they are much >> > different than any other form of live music. More appropriate music for a >> > rave, yes, but not really that much different in terms of live >> > preformances. >> >> In an interesting note, DJ Shadow's new "High Noon" single makes some >> refrences to Rock & Roll and has a very Rock & Rollish sound. >> > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 04:20:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8530 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 04:20:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8247 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 04:20:39 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 04:20:39 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.82.250.11]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA07543 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:49:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from breaker2000@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 18617 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 1997 05:48:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19971111054824.18616.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.29 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:48:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.29] From: "Break Dancer" To: macadio6@rocketmail.com, lara@vibe.org Cc: CuddlMeZoe@AOL.COM, w_family@hotmail.com, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Wonder (bsp) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:48:23 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk down south for this event???? huh.. its in sf i believe... philly >all i know, if any of you are planning to go down south for this event, i >have been told by friends in LA that the vibe was THICK and the party was >BOMB for the first Harmony. >:) >and i doubt names were stolen. but that's my niave opinion, you know me. >hi macadio! xoxo >(and stareyes, mars and myster-e are gonna be @ HarmonyII< featuring >stariana's presence!!!) >xo >*thinking about a trip to LA* >lara > >On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, macadio wrote: > >> >> Just a Mental note for everyone. >> This is NOT the same Harmony of SF that you have >> grown to know and love it is a totally different crew >> from L.A and I don't know who had the name first so I >> am not going to say who took who's name. Just a FYI!! >> >> Peace out >> Macadio >> >> >> >> ---CuddlMeZoe@aol.com wrote: >> > >> > Hallo, zOe bEar here *8-(]:o) >> > I haven't met most of you yet, but those of you I >> have, make for happy bears! >> > I'll be in L.A. for Harmony 2 next weekend so no >> Wonder for me =*( I'll be >> > with you in spirit! Much Love and mAd hUgs >> > ##warm fuzzies for your tummies## >> > >> >> Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 04:23:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15043 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 04:23:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 14062 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 04:23:12 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 04:23:12 -0000 Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA04681 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:29:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from emdash@sirius.com) Received: from [205.134.235.38] (ppp-asfm01--038.sirius.net [205.134.235.38]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id UAA28996; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:28:11 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: emdash@mail.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:42:17 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: emdash@sirius.com (e.menon) Subject: (nrr) An Evening of Music, Art, Dance, and Text (fwd) Cc: kerryl@sirius.com, case@grin.net, megan@medialive.com, skoop@slackers.net, marilyn@best.com, cat.weasel@usa.net, cgw@io.com, trayc@dnai.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk anyone interested? (free! ;) (please respond personally... yadda yadda yadda) >The Circular Ruins >An Evening of Music, Art, Dance, and Text >presented by Bob Boster > >8pm Weds. November 26, 1997 >Mills College Concert Hall >Free Admission > >5000 MacArthur Blvd. >Oakland, CA >(where 580 meets 13) > >for more info call: 510-763-0316 >or email boster@pobox.com > >featuring performances by: >Aurora >Eva Baumgartner >Bob Boster >A.L. Dentel >Vance Galloway >Kersti Grunditz >Morgan Guberman >Frank Henriksen >Matt Ingalls >John Ingle >Linda M. Johnson >Kent Jolly >Dan Joseph >David Kwan >Patty Liu >Keith McMillen >Felix MacNee >Dave Madole >Killian Manning >kristi martel >Mr. Meridies >Dale Meyer >Allison Orr >Chris Palmatier >Heather Perkins >Bill Schuler >Adrienne Waterman > >and presentation of artworks by: > >James Bonacci >Chuck Boster >Alystyre Julian >Monika Lin >Allison Mierzykowski >Betsy Schneider >Adrienne Waterman > >The concert will begin with a series of installations at 8pm and will be >followed by a reception. Please prepare yourself for the Thanksgiving >holiday by joining us for an evening of art and a celebration of >community. > >This concert extravaganza in partial fulfillment of the thesis >requirements for MIlls College's MFA in Electronic Music and Recording >Media. Produced in part by the Cultural Labyrinth collective. > > > >More details below: > >This concert features a large and diverse group of Bay Area performers >and artists, with a little support from points abroad (UK, CT, NC, UT). >While the concert focuses on music, a variety of experiences, from >performance art and gallery exhibition to classic musique concrete and >modern dance will round out the evenings presentation. This concert >features exciting young talent from a variety of scenes and disciplines >working in a collective fashion, yet under a singular compositional >vision. > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >++++++++++++++++++++ >Scot Jenerik >jenerik@kumr.lns.com > >23five Incorporated >23five@kumr.lns.com >http://www.lns.com/23five/ > >PO Box 460951 >San Francisco, CA >94146-0951 USA >415-285-6003 >Fax: c/o Maria Jenerik- >415-995-6867 > >Scot's site: >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2305 >++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > >____________________________________________________ >for more on craigs-list browse http://www.cnewmark.com [events posting 1186] > ............................................................................. "I dont think 'This is my party' is applicable anymore. The party's kind of over. Now it's more like, 'This is my life,' 'This is my tribe.'" - Nan Goldin "That so few now dare to be eccentric marks the cheif danger of the time." - John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 18:08:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19134 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 18:08:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 18920 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 18:08:08 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 18:08:08 -0000 Received: from mail.zocalo.net (mail2.zocalo.net [157.22.1.18]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20552 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:11:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from peter@niles.com) Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02265 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA18063; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:04:13 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:12:35 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: H@rMoNy 2 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Harmony 2 is put on by the Happy Hardcore Hit-Squad. If ya want info on this >dope lil party, go to: > >www.ravenetwork.com/hardcore/events/harmony2.html Happy Hardcore Hit-Squad, hey that sounds like something Greg Sandler might think up! b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 18:11:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24315 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 18:11:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 24199 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 18:11:09 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 18:11:09 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03599 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:20:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA19186; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:04:53 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:13:16 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: your mixtapes Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk how do you get rid of them... give free to all? give free to promoters, sell to everyone else? free to the cuties? sell to your homies? how much do you sell for, when it's not done through a store? I just want to get a broad spectrum of what different people are doing. For a CNN story. thanks for your help. b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 18:16:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1269 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 18:16:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 952 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 18:16:20 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 18:16:20 -0000 Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16072 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:47:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Laksmi@cris.com) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id JAA16497; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:44:21 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id JAA24873; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:44:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:44:21 -0500 (EST) From: LAKSMI To: maya katz cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: lets get together!!! In-Reply-To: <19971110200406.4273.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, maya katz wrote: > okay kiddos!! now that we are all hot and bothered to meet each other, > lets set a day or something... time & place anyone? > if we wanted... and the weather was good next sunday we could all gather > at baker beach, or ocean beach in san francisco in the daytime... like a All are welcome at my house/lake/mountain...well, OK, it's not just MY lake/mountain...so...read below...I have floor space y'all. Tahoe is beautiful!!!!!! *********************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forests, go naked in the summertime that you regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. J.W. Parsons *********************************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 19:01:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2558 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 19:01:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 2547 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 19:01:04 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 19:01:04 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id KAA01213; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:57:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3468AD96.38B02AE6@best.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:10:14 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Deepfog CC: "You're Busted!" Subject: Re: Spencer and "The People's Lawyer". References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk the peoples lawyer is that stupid guy on tv that has curley hair and the commercials look like they were made in the late 80's early 90's.... on of them is where he's talking about being a lawyer and then goes back to watching attack of the killer tomatoes. =) the dood hella reminds me of spencer... just the looks though, unless spencer really is the peoples lawyer! =) peace.jer Deepfog wrote: > > ...Huh? =\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\~ > > >hey.... does anyone else here see a resemblence between Spencer from > >Warmth and "The People's Lawyer"? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 19:31:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10878 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 19:31:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 10867 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 19:31:20 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 19:31:20 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04377 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:40:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA19951; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:25:02 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:33:29 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: going to San Jose area today? (NRR) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Memo, aka DJ Vertigo, is alone and singing the blues because he can't kick the beats with his buddy Ryan Newell. can you help get Ryan from the Eastbay to SJ sometime after 12:00 so he can be with his homeboy? Please call Memo @ 650-967-5555 if you can help these boyz match beats. thank you kindly for your attention. b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 19:43:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14368 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 19:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 14358 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 19:43:15 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 19:43:15 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-122.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.122]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id LAA07779 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:43:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3468B5CC.4BC3@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:45:16 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: happy birhday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Happy birthday to E~L~E~N~A It must be really cool to be born on 11:11. ><{{{"> 11:11 <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 19:44:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15584 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 19:44:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 15572 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 19:44:01 -0000 Received: from odin.community.net (root@140.174.119.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 19:44:01 -0000 Received: from benchun (BENCHUN.MIT.EDU [18.207.0.48]) by odin.community.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA28217 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:42:48 -0800 (PST) From: "b e n c h u n" To: "sfraves" Subject: zippy Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:43:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01bceeda$1e0979f0$3000cf12@benchun.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk for those of you who didn't see it, here goes the comic. (btw, zippy is the cartoon character with the clown suit and pointy head. ok.) VIZEEN (girl talking to Zippy in room with lasers in backround): "WEll, you wnated to see what a "House Party was like, Zip! Here we are! ZIPPY: "I brought a nice house warming gift!!" VIZEEN:"Its not that kind of party Zippy! It's like a Rave! You know lots of bottled water and nose rings!" ZIPPY (holding toaster): "Would anyone like a two-slot bagel toaster?" VIZEEN: "What kind of music are you in the mood for? Trance? Techno? Happy Hardcore??" ZIPPY: "Can i keep my muumuu on??" VIZEEN: "I'm gonna grab a hit of 'Special K' and check out th' jungle room! Later Zip!" ZIPPY (holding toaster): "okay Vizeen...hmmm...this thing is really vibrating!...its getting warm too!" ZIPPY: "Pump th' volume! My bagel toaster is in tune with th' universal life force!!" and scrolled across the bottom of each frame is: "...some house parties.....blast digital music...at frequencies of over....200 BEATS PER MINUTE....it effects some listeners in unexpected ways..." . . . . . . . ben_chun@community.net ben_chun@technologist.com www.community.net/~ben_chun/ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 19:55:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20228 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 19:55:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 20219 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 19:55:10 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 19:55:10 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-122.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.122]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id LAA12503 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:55:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3468B89B.2183@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:57:15 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: pow wow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk this is native american month. There is a pow wow (sacred dance) this weekend in davis. Very similar to raves. for more info www.kqed.org Its a great time to thank the landlords of turtle island for letting us borrow this country for the last couple hundred years. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 19:59:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22401 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 19:59:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 22392 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 19:59:03 -0000 Received: from stage1.thirdage.com (204.74.82.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 19:59:03 -0000 Received: from cootie.thirdage.com (cootie.ThirdAge.com [204.74.82.158]) by stage1.thirdage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23690 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:56:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971111120058.00f1b830@mail.thirdage.com> X-Sender: chrisp@mail.thirdage.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:00:58 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: chris Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) In-Reply-To: <19971109100553.16515.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Oh yes I am so down for this. I'd be happy to get involved in the organization of said trip too. Hey Messiah, do you want work together with me on this one? -c At 02:05 AM 11/9/97 -0800, you wrote: > > > >i'm totally up for an sfraves ski trip, complete w/big communal cabin >and decks for after the slopes close! if we stuffed like 30 people >into a 10 person ski lodge for a big slEEp-over ski party the per >capita cost could be pretty low. who else is up for this? > >-messiah wannabe > > > >---CheerioHN@aol.com wrote: >> >> Hey there :o) >> Well since i see there seems to be a demand fer A party up here in >da sNo, >> i'll hafta get ready and start plannin, i saw a thing where i can >get lift >> tikets cheeper, so that mite help ya'll out if we do do this thingy, >But >> there is one major hang up... >> NO SNOW!!! >> I heard it was rainin in the bay, but all i gots is skattered >clowds, so >> think snow fer the Seirra, im starting to think this El Nino thing is >> somebodys cruel cruel joke. >> Also lemme know what you are lookin for if i was to throw this >shindig, as >> far as should we get tablz over here? How many of you are actually >interested >> etc. >> Ok lemme know whats up! >> Love ya'll >> think snow >> JiL >> > > > >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Christopher Pryor HTML Programmer T H I R D A G E M E D I A http://www.thirdage.com (415)908-3611 c h r i s @ t h i r d a g e . c o m . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 20:20:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29927 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 20:20:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 29917 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 20:20:54 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 20:20:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19971111201523.8896.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web1; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:15:23 PST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:15:23 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Fwd: Re: name that dance To: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > > ---George Chan wrote: > > > > Chi-Gung literally translated means Life energy work > > It's like using the force. It's mostly breathwork and focused > meditation. > > Similar also to kundalini. there are times when breathwork and > standing > > still while the music is pounding takes me higher than I thought > possible. > > > > What kind of things do you think about when you're dancing? > > > > George > > > > ---Messiah Wannabe wrote: > > cool! i use the force whenever possible. i studied vipasna > meditation in kathmandu, that was pretty intense, but it's the only > style i know. i still use it sometimes when i'm real stressed out... > i've never tried meditating ON the dancefloor, though i showed my > friend tom and my sister how to do the vipasna thing sitting in the > chillout area at 4x4... > > what do i think about when i'm dancing? hmm, i remember one time i > was watching all the glowing blinking things moving around on the > dancefloor, it was dark and i couldn't see the dancers themselves, or > just barely, so the glowtubes and bikelights sorta looked like strange > alien fireflies floating around to the music. anyway, it seemed like > the alien firefies were doing some sort of otherwordly mating ritual, > flying around each other, communicating in some alien dance language > and sending out telepathic pheremones, and the ravers were just there > to help the fireflies hook up... > > > Hey did I send that post to the whole list or just to you? > > I meant to send it to the whole list. > > i think it was posted to everyone, but i can't find the original to > make sure. check your sent folder, if you have one, it'll tell you > where you sent it. anyway, i like this thread, mind if i post it? > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 20:27:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2077 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 20:27:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 2067 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 20:27:56 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 20:27:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19971111202227.10419.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web1; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:22:27 PST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:22:27 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: house of led zep To: Megan Haggerty Cc: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk my roommate has this wicked white-label remix of a song off the first zeppelin album, the one where robert plant is crooning "leave you in the summertime, leave you when the summer comescomescomescomes"... the remix blows my mind, i listen to it just about every day. and i'm not the biggest lz fan in the world either... -messiah > refrences to Rock & Roll and has a very Rock & Rollish sound. > > And if anyone ever heard DJ Thomas (formerly of Wicked) spin back in his > House days, you might have heard a bit of Zeplin or other Rock & Roll. > Untraditional but the shit rocked, nontheless. > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 20:34:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4088 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 20:34:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 4077 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 20:34:44 -0000 Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (gchan@206.184.139.138) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 20:34:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (gchan@localhost) by shell7.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28058 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:34:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Curious George To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: pow wow In-Reply-To: <3468B89B.2183@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The pow-wow is good to experience. I went a couple times as an undergrad at ucdavis. After listening to the drumming and chanting, you'll be tranced out enough to join the dancers when they open up the floor after they've finished the contests. Phil, go check it out, it's in the rec hall. the head-dresses are absolutely gorgeous, and so are you. ~geo On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > this is native american month. > > There is a pow wow (sacred dance) this weekend in davis. > > Very similar to raves. > > for more info www.kqed.org > > Its a great time to thank the landlords of turtle island > for letting us borrow this country for the > last couple hundred years. > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 20:54:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9766 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 20:54:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 9757 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 20:54:09 -0000 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net (207.93.14.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 20:54:09 -0000 Received: from [207.93.14.13] ([207.93.14.13] verified) by tapeheads.ednet.net (Stalker SMTP Server 1.5) with ESMTP id S.0000010769 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:53:47 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:54:20 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Joe Rice Subject: (bsp)the kitchen sink - hear what you've missed Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk As of this past week, we'll be archiving all sets from the Kitchen Sink and making them available for you via RealAudio 28.8 and ISDN streams. d84 and Kit Clayton are up now at http://www.justiceleague.com/ks Joe From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 20:56:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10488 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 20:56:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 10476 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 20:56:36 -0000 Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (gchan@206.184.139.138) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 20:56:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (gchan@localhost) by shell7.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03589 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:56:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: Curious George To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Rave-O-Matic Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Step right up to the splendiferous Rave-O-Matic. Use it to design your own rave from start to finish. Please deposit two pennies. The little monkey steps up and deposits the two pennies he found in front of the candy store. With a whirl and a lurch the Rave-O-Matic coughs out a helmut attached to a tangled mess of wires. "Put it on, little fella." Upon cradling his cranium, our monkey's gaze glazes over... ~man From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 21:11:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15482 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 21:11:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 15473 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 21:11:01 -0000 Received: from stage1.thirdage.com (204.74.82.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 21:11:01 -0000 Received: from cootie.thirdage.com (cootie.ThirdAge.com [204.74.82.158]) by stage1.thirdage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA25601 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:08:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971111131255.00f3008c@mail.thirdage.com> X-Sender: chrisp@mail.thirdage.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:12:55 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: chris Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) In-Reply-To: <19971111204242.28797.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > >tell ya what, lets get in touch with this jil person and see what sort >of logistics we need to work out. maybe we should sell tickets, i'd >hate to lose a bunch of money on this. oh yeah, we'll need someone to >supply the drugz too... > Cool. If she can handle everthing up there, all the better. She shouldn't have to do all the work though, and I'm happy to do what I can. Selling tix is a great idea, and the drugs shouldn't be a problem. Let's not let this fall by the wayside. I think it should could would be WILD. -c >---chris wrote: >> >> Oh yes I am so down for this. I'd be happy to get involved in the >> organization of said trip too. >> >> Hey Messiah, do you want work together with me on this one? >> >> -c >> >> >> >> >> At 02:05 AM 11/9/97 -0800, you wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >i'm totally up for an sfraves ski trip, complete w/big communal cabin >> >and decks for after the slopes close! if we stuffed like 30 people >> >into a 10 person ski lodge for a big slEEp-over ski party the per >> >capita cost could be pretty low. who else is up for this? >> > >> >-messiah wannabe >> > >> > >> > >> >---CheerioHN@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey there :o) >> >> Well since i see there seems to be a demand fer A party up here in >> >da sNo, >> >> i'll hafta get ready and start plannin, i saw a thing where i can >> >get lift >> >> tikets cheeper, so that mite help ya'll out if we do do this >thingy, >> >But >> >> there is one major hang up... >> >> NO SNOW!!! >> >> I heard it was rainin in the bay, but all i gots is skattered >> >clowds, so >> >> think snow fer the Seirra, im starting to think this El Nino >thing is >> >> somebodys cruel cruel joke. >> >> Also lemme know what you are lookin for if i was to throw this >> >shindig, as >> >> far as should we get tablz over here? How many of you are actually >> >interested >> >> etc. >> >> Ok lemme know whats up! >> >> Love ya'll >> >> think snow >> >> JiL >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> Christopher Pryor >> HTML Programmer >> T H I R D A G E M E D I A >> >> http://www.thirdage.com >> >> (415)908-3611 >> c h r i s @ t h i r d a g e . c o m >> >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> > >__________________________________________________________________ >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Christopher Pryor HTML Programmer T H I R D A G E M E D I A http://www.thirdage.com (415)908-3611 c h r i s @ t h i r d a g e . c o m . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 21:13:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16205 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 21:13:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 16195 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 21:13:06 -0000 Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.119.93) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 21:13:06 -0000 Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id QAA23887; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:12:59 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id QAA12968; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:12:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:12:58 -0500 (EST) From: LAKSMI To: Curious George cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: pow wow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk is this pow-wow held by DQ University? *********************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forests, go naked in the summertime that you regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. J.W. Parsons *********************************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 21:14:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16902 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 21:14:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 16885 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 21:14:32 -0000 Received: from liberty5.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.165) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 21:14:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 20566 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 1997 21:14:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19971111211400.20565.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.51 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:13:59 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.51] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, gchan@best.com Subject: Re: pow wow Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:13:59 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i went last year..... the cotumes are amazing, intricate, colorful, decorative pieces of ancestery.... yeah.. eeveryone come......then you can all vsit me... :) peace Philip disordr >The pow-wow is good to experience. I went a couple times as >an undergrad at ucdavis. After listening to the drumming and chanting, >you'll be tranced out enough to join the dancers when they open up the >floor after they've finished the contests. Phil, go check it out, it's in >the rec hall. the head-dresses are absolutely gorgeous, and so are you. > >~geo > >On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > >> this is native american month. >> >> There is a pow wow (sacred dance) this weekend in davis. >> >> Very similar to raves. >> >> for more info www.kqed.org >> >> Its a great time to thank the landlords of turtle island >> for letting us borrow this country for the >> last couple hundred years. >> >> ><{{{"> <"}}}>< >> >> foolish fish >> >> > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 21:15:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17485 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 21:15:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 17475 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 21:15:29 -0000 Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.119.93) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 21:15:29 -0000 Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id QAA24308; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:15:22 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id QAA13076; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:15:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:15:21 -0500 (EST) From: LAKSMI To: chris cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971111131255.00f3008c@mail.thirdage.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ummm... it's snowing up here right now :)))))) *********************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forests, go naked in the summertime that you regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. J.W. Parsons *********************************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 21:15:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18025 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 21:15:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 18005 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 21:15:44 -0000 Received: from nermal.santarosa.edu (dcoelhok@198.189.21.12) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 21:15:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (dcoelhok@localhost) by nermal.santarosa.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA23367; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:14:54 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:14:54 -0800 (PST) From: Dominique Kostolny To: LAKSMI cc: Curious George , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: pow wow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk nope. On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, LAKSMI wrote: > is this pow-wow held by DQ University? > > > > *********************************************** > Go to the mountains and the oceans and the > forests, go naked in the summertime that you > regain the old joy and love gladly and freely > under the stars. > > J.W. Parsons > *********************************************** > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 21:47:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27531 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 21:47:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 27500 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from seidc.sei.com (seidc.sei.com [198.202.174.1]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28785 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:47:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kk@sei.com) Received: from monet.sei.com (monet.sei.com [198.202.174.27]) by seidc.sei.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07946 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:45:35 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Randall Received: (from kk@localhost) by monet.sei.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21132 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:45:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711112145.NAA21132@monet.sei.com> Subject: Gamelan! To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:45:23 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi y'all! Some of you may remember the gamelan orchestra that played at 4x4 this summer. Well we're doing a free concert this Saturday at UCSC Porter College - this time with a much bigger group and very cool dancers from Bali - including ritual masked dance - and with world- renowned Balinese musician/composer/drummer I Nyoman Wenten. It should be a great show, so if any of you are interested in seeing some en-trancing gamelan, come on down! G A M E L A N S W A R A S A N T I in concert featuring special Balinese guest artists I NYOMAN WENTEN NI MADE SUKERTI I MADE SURYA Saturday November 15, 8pm UCSC Porter College Admission Free And come say hi afterwards - I'll be the guy with the broken leg! :) No sfraves laminates this time though, but you can't miss me! - Martin =] Check out our website at http://www.sei.com/users/kk/swarasanti From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 21:50:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28314 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 21:50:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 28296 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 21:50:07 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 21:50:07 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id NAA07438; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id NAA23676; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:49:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:49:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: macadio cc: CuddlMeZoe@aol.com, w_family@hotmail.com, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Wonder (bsp) In-Reply-To: <19971110204754.20858.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! ]=} As I was one of the crew for the first SF Bay area Harmony party (held on a north coast [of Santa Cruz] area) (as well as for the 4 year held this summer) I can say with confidence that the Harmony crew from this area is the original. However after the Harmony 3 Year (last summer) there was a substantial change of personal (which is why the 3 Year was called the finale), with a few of the original members staying on board. On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, macadio wrote: > > Just a Mental note for everyone. > This is NOT the same Harmony of SF that you have > grown to know and love it is a totally different crew > from L.A and I don't know who had the name first so I > am not going to say who took who's name. Just a FYI!! > > Peace out > Macadio > > > > ---CuddlMeZoe@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hallo, zOe bEar here *8-(]:o) > > I haven't met most of you yet, but those of you I > have, make for happy bears! > > I'll be in L.A. for Harmony 2 next weekend so no > Wonder for me =*( I'll be > > with you in spirit! Much Love and mAd hUgs > > ##warm fuzzies for your tummies## hugz, Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 22:39:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10282 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 22:39:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10271 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 22:39:42 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 22:39:42 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.60] ([38.248.198.60] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02548 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:35:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19971110204754.20858.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:39:43 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Harmony is alive and well... (BSP) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I think most of you know by now that "harmony2" and the happy hardcore party that was posted is not connected with the Harmony you know and love here..... but just in case there's any confusion..... Harmony is alive and well, over four years after their first great party (nope, I wasn't there, I think I went to my first Harmony party around year 2, but to me then they were just those crazy kids in the crayon outfits!)... and, of course some of the "players" in the group have changed over the years... grown up, moved away, moved on, graduated, stopped partying, all sorts of stuff.... ...there is still a great group of people (both from the original crew and lots of fresh new enthusiastic blood too!) whose greatest pleasure is to bring the best vibe to every party we throw.... we're planning an amazing event to bring the family (old and new) together again coming up in December, so keep your eyes and ears open ... if you've ever been to a Harmony party, you know how magical they can be .... and this one will capture the old magic with some new twists to make it even better... love, leslie p.s. also..... Greg Sandler, who's the central organizer for Harmony, has opened a store in Santa Rosa called Harmonics, selling records, clothing and cool stuff.... check it out if you're in the area, cuz there's stuff there you won't find elsewhere! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 22:43:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11501 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 22:43:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 11492 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 22:43:04 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 22:43:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19971111224046.23189.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web4; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:40:46 PST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: Gamelan! To: Martin Randall Cc: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk YAY! i missed that 4x4 set by five minutes, i was so dissapointed. i'm totally, 100%, absolutely down for this. with bells on. in spades. probably. i think maybe i'll dress all raved out and wear my trademark round-white-hat-over-the-eyes so my fellow sfravers can spot me and say hi... -messiah ps. what time does it start? oh, and where is UCSC > Porter College? not too far from sf i hope... ---Martin Randall wrote: > > Hi y'all! > > Some of you may remember the gamelan orchestra that played at 4x4 > this summer. Well we're doing a free concert this Saturday at UCSC > Porter College - this time with a much bigger group and very cool > dancers from Bali - including ritual masked dance - and with world- > renowned Balinese musician/composer/drummer I Nyoman Wenten. It should > be a great show, so if any of you are interested in seeing some > en-trancing gamelan, come on down! > > > G A M E L A N S W A R A S A N T I > > in concert > > featuring special Balinese guest artists > > I NYOMAN WENTEN > NI MADE SUKERTI > I MADE SURYA > > Saturday November 15, 8pm > UCSC Porter College > Admission Free > > > And come say hi afterwards - I'll be the guy with the broken leg! :) > No sfraves laminates this time though, but you can't miss me! > > - Martin =] > > > Check out our website at http://www.sei.com/users/kk/swarasanti > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 22:55:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14926 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 22:55:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 14913 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 22:55:28 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 22:55:28 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-115.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.115]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id OAA10213 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:55:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3468E2E2.6035@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:57:38 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: free tarot reading and lessons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk For anyone interested in tarot heres a place to get free lessons http://www2.dgsys.com/~bunning/top.html and heres a place for a free reading and really nice pictures. http://www.facade.com/attraction/tarot/ > 11:11 <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 22:56:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15601 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 22:56:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 15591 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 22:56:49 -0000 Received: from fillmore.criticalpath.net (209.104.216.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 22:56:49 -0000 Received: (cpmta 4910 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 22:56:18 GMT Received: from ip035.domain.net (204.107.140.35) by hunab-ku.com.criticalpath.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 22:56:18 GMT X-CriticalPath-Timestamp: 11 Nov 1997 22:56:18 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971111224259.00688598@mail.hunab-ku.com> X-Sender: lyndsay@mail.hunab-ku.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:42:59 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Lyndsay Subject: BSP: 11*11 Buggin'Out & the Terrorist Society Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 I want to invite every Junglist, quaisi Junglist and fascinating person on this list to join us tonight on the 11th day of the 11th month for an intimate D&B session at CAFE MARS, a very lovley lounge on the corner of 7th Street and Folsom TERRORIZING the turntables will be: MATEO and his brother NO BATTLES from CONTROL DEK DJ PUSH (step2k) GAME KAT (jungle love) We'll be starting about 9:30pm a paltry $3 donation will be asked for at the door and it is 21^ SEE YOU TONIGHT! Peace*Lyndsay From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 22:57:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16220 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 22:57:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 16209 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 22:57:13 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 22:57:13 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA02222; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:51:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from str-ca2-27.ix.netcom.com(207.93.43.91) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002176; Tue Nov 11 16:50:51 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971111144834.00ae7b6c@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: ascend@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:48:37 -0800 To: "Ran D. Dreams" From: Harmony Subject: Re: Wonder (bsp) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Randy Cone wrote: >Hi all! ]=} > > As I was one of the crew for the first SF Bay area Harmony party (held >on a north coast [of Santa Cruz] area) (as well as for the 4 year held >this summer) I can say with confidence that the Harmony crew from this >area is the original. However after the Harmony 3 Year (last summer) >there was a substantial change of personal (which is why the 3 Year was >called the finale), with a few of the original members staying on board. > Yes it is true that we have been around for over four years... (man that is a long time) and yes it's true that our crew has changed a bit (the whole 3 Year Anniversary/ Finale thingy). But it is all for the better. We have a bright and brilliant crew, with new, fresh ideas, but with the same intensions as the very first S.F. Harmony Crew. In all, regardless of who is in the Harmony Crew, I think it is pretty damm amazing that we have been able to continue throwing parties for the people as long as we have. That just shows the strong determination and love for this scene that all of us have. ( A huge thank you to everyone who has ever helped with a Harmony Party!!) So just to let everyone know... Harmony is well, and we still plan on throwing parties to help keep this S.F. underground alive. Obviously, we have been taking a break... I personally have been busy opening up this store (Harmonics)... and everyone else, I think needed a break as well. But coming in December we are gathering for a special - old school style with a new school twist - "Beautiful People". So keep your eyes and ears open for that!!! You don't want to miss it. Peace, love and harmony to all, Greg = ) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 23:10:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20491 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 23:10:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 20480 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 23:10:21 -0000 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (madox@192.100.81.117) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 23:10:21 -0000 Received: (from madox@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA23551; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:10:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:10:15 -0800 (PST) From: LiQUiD KNiGHT RECORDS Subject: question about _Quest_ To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk does anyone know where Quest on the 15th is gonna be at? i wanna buy the pre-sale tickets but if its gonna be in like santa cruz i dont want to be driving that far. thanks for any info. Traegen From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 23:17:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22511 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 23:17:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 22502 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 23:17:14 -0000 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.115) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 23:17:14 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA01338; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:17:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:17:01 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: your mixtapes To: Customer Service cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Here's what to do: Make up about 150. Give like 30 to your closest rekkid stores and ask for just enough from them to break even on those 30. Sent out 20 to your friends who cn't come party with you. Then bring a big box of the other 100 and right at some peak point about 3/4 of the way through your set, wander through the crowd and give them out. Hold onto like 15 of them because later folks will come up to you asking for more :) Trust me, it works. :D On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Customer Service wrote: > how do you get rid of them... > > give free to all? > give free to promoters, sell to everyone else? > free to the cuties? > sell to your homies? > > how much do you sell for, when it's not done through a store? > > I just want to get a broad spectrum of what different people are doing. > For a CNN story. > > thanks for your help. > > > > > > > b > o > o > m > e f i d g e t > r > a > n > g H > ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr > ARETH > EFACTSYO > UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- > > \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// > "...the end of all our exploring > will be to arrive where we started > and know the place for the first time." > - t.s. eliot > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 23:22:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24761 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 23:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 24751 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 23:22:19 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 23:22:19 -0000 Received: from shorvitz.pbi.net (csota-206-171-132-175.csota.pbi.net [206.171.132.175]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA01093 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:22:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971111152034.014fa8b8@postoffice.pacbell.net> X-Sender: sutekh@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:20:34 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Seth Subject: bsp's: Static and Beta Lounge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey all, Tonight at Static, weird beats and noises provided by Rook Vallade, the man previously known as O.S.T., recording artist for Worm Interface UK and Qlipothic US. Also resident djs Darin Marshall and Re Ach. 10-2 at Liquid, 2925 16th St. at S. Van Ness, SF. $2 cover. 21+ And on Thursday, from 6-10pm, Darin and I will be spinning live on the web at Beta Lounge ( http://www.betalounge.com ). Hope you can tune in! -Seth |||| d j . s u t e k h |||| b e l i e f - s y s t e m s |||| o a k l a n d . c a . u s a |||| http://www.belief-systems.com |||| http://www.nodeone.com/static ....................................................................... Nov. 13: darin marshall and sutekh on www.betalounge.com Nov. 30: .inhabit.the.machines with neil landstrumm and tobias schmidt live, dave tarrida of sativae. sf.ca.4159793005 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 23:23:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25497 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 23:23:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 25335 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 23:23:01 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 23:23:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19971111232043.999.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.57.69] by web4; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:20:43 PST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:20:43 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Capriles Subject: BSP: I think i'm feeling a bit *sinister* To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey kids!!!! I just wanted to let anyone who cares (all 2 of u) that i'm spinning this saturday at the Viberation party entitled *SINISTER*....hee hee hee HA HA HA I will be spinning from 10:30-12:30 so come by and say HI! Viberation has put a lot of work into this party and it is gonna go off. It's in a cool indoor space and we have some surprises in store for u. thanks!! =) micron p.s. Tickets are not yet available, but we should have them out by tomorrow. Call 408.881.0898 for info. Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 23:24:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26286 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 23:24:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 26277 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 23:24:46 -0000 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.115) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 23:24:46 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA01840; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:24:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:24:33 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: pow wow To: Curious George cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Heck yeah! I used to go to the UCD pow wow every month! It's fun stuff. More of a focus on plains Indian type stuff than California stuff, but hey, that's how the pow wow scene is :) A few of my friends would show up as vendors n'stuff. I always liked the grass dancers' regalia. Neet-o stuff with lots of fringe and bright colors. The UCD pow wow is partly associated with the DQ pow wow, which is usually the day after (or sometimes the day before) UCD's... i don't know DQ's schedule this year, though... :) On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Curious George wrote: > The pow-wow is good to experience. I went a couple times as > an undergrad at ucdavis. After listening to the drumming and chanting, > you'll be tranced out enough to join the dancers when they open up the > floor after they've finished the contests. Phil, go check it out, it's in > the rec hall. the head-dresses are absolutely gorgeous, and so are you. > > ~geo > > On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > > > this is native american month. > > > > There is a pow wow (sacred dance) this weekend in davis. > > > > Very similar to raves. > > > > for more info www.kqed.org > > > > Its a great time to thank the landlords of turtle island > > for letting us borrow this country for the > > last couple hundred years. > > > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > > > foolish fish > > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 23:35:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29933 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 23:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 29924 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 23:35:32 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 23:35:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19971111233326.10082.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.57.69] by attach1; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:33:26 PST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:33:26 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Capriles Subject: oops..my bad..one more BSP To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i forgot to BSP my new tape.......hee hee It's entitled *Aurora Borealis* and should be back from the duplicators in a week or two. I have made some *home made* copies and will be giving some out at *sinister* so please come by and ask for one. I'm pretty excited about this tape.....more than any of my others......it's a little bit of a change for me and i think it's the best tape i've ever done, both technically and musically/emotionally. To those that get a copy...i would *love* some feedback..even of the negative type. thanks, micron Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 11 23:53:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5457 invoked by uid 6000); 11 Nov 1997 23:53:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 5448 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 23:53:27 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 23:53:27 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.60] ([38.248.198.60] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02682 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:48:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:53:37 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Re: your mixtapes Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Here's what to do: > >Make up about 150. Give like 30 to your closest rekkid stores and ask >for just enough from them to break even on those 30. Sent out 20 to your >friends who cn't come party with you. Then bring a big box of the other >100 and right at some peak point about 3/4 of the way through your set, >wander through the crowd and give them out. Hold onto like 15 of them >because later folks will come up to you asking for more :) > >Trust me, it works. trust him.... it does! the very first time i met noah was at a party where he was in the middle of a fat=ass set, and he suddenly walks out from behind the turntables (!), puts on a whole new hat (i think you wore about 5 different hats that set, noah?!?) and starts walking around the room handing out dayglow orange tapes and stickers and silly stuff.... that TOTALLY rocked, took an amazingly happy and cool vibe that he already had, and sprinkled it completely through the room ... and you can be gosh-darned sure that i got myself one of those tapes, folks! yep, i think ALL djs should do that.... please!! leslie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 00:12:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9176 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 00:12:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 9167 invoked by uid 24); 12 Nov 1997 00:12:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 6905 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 20:43:38 -0000 Received: from f63.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 20:43:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 29877 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 1997 20:43:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19971111204304.29876.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.114.167.14 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:43:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.114.167.14] From: "Psycho Phunk" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Psychophunk Crew! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:43:04 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello SFR Folks! We now have an E-mail address for any questions or information needed about the Psychophunkadelicious Crew or our upcoming party "playground." If you have any questions, drop us a line at psychophunk@hotmail.com and we'll get back to you ASAP. We also still have a few jobs to be done for the party and would welcome any help from you sfravers, if you're interested let us know. Lastly, we're also looking to put another SFravers shrine like the one at WarmthII and Wonderland. I'm not sure you was in charge of that ( lara maybe? ) so if you helped set that up, drop us a line and we'll work on doing the same for "playground." Tickets are ten dollars and will go on sale in two weeks. Here's how it's gonna work so that we keep the numbers of people under "comfortable capacity"... You'll be able to get your tickets three ways 1) Thad from Solid grooves will be selling them personally at Solid Grooves ( Bascom Ave, San Jose ) at some specific time on Sundays and Mondays. Keep in mind, these tickets are being sold through Thad, not solid grooves. If you ask anyone else there for the tickets they wont know what your talking about...just ask for Thad. 2) Ben (Pyro) and Myself (Matt/Thorfio) will be selling the a good deal of them personally. You will be able to catch us at many events around the bay area ( Other parties...Cafe Leviticus in San Jose on Thursday Nights...etc). We will let you know of EVERY event which we will be at. If you dont know who Either of us is or what we look like, Either E-mail us here, or ask a fellow raver...most of SFravers know at least one of us. 3) A LIMITED...and let me stress LIMITED amount of tickets will be held at the map point but only for emergency. Because 1) we dont want the party to be over-crowded but 2) we want all of you to be there...Please, Please, Please get your tickets in advance, and if you know any other "Veteran Ravers" ( for lack of a better term :) )let them know to get thier tickets soon as well. ...More info will follow. Any questions about tickets...e-mail us, if you still havent got your tickets a week before this party happens...e-mail us and we WILL get them to you! :) ...Our info line should be up around the same time tickets start selling. ...I'm outta breath... Check out our Web Page...the Address is located in our E-mail signature below. PLUR all, hope to see ya on the 12th! :) ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// On Friday, December 12th 1997, we proudly present our first indoor party... *******PSYCHOPHUNKADELICIOUS PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS******* "PLAYGROUND" Visit our web page for more information... www.angelfire.com/ca/Psychophunk ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 00:18:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11321 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 00:18:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 11310 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 00:18:23 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 00:18:23 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06851; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:27:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA22553; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:12:06 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:20:37 -0800 To: Noah Apodaca From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: your mixtapes Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Here's what to do: > >Make up about 150. Give like 30 to your closest rekkid stores and ask >for just enough from them to break even on those 30. Sent out 20 to your >friends who cn't come party with you. Then bring a big box of the other >100 and right at some peak point about 3/4 of the way through your set, >wander through the crowd and give them out. Hold onto like 15 of them >because later folks will come up to you asking for more :) > >Trust me, it works. > >:D OK, wise guy; I saw you at Viberation bouncing around the room in your orange jumpsuit tossing out copies of "Sprung" like the energizer bunny on a $20 rock while the unmanned turntable needle was getting dangerously close the end of the groove... but what do you mean, "it works"? I'll get gigs? I already get gigs. (well...ahem) Fills my heart with joy? I'll buy that. Makes me friends? Yeah, but... Gets me closer to that "Ghandi level" ? OK. But still. I've given out probably 200 of my earlier mixtapes And what of the 6 months it took to make the tape and the $500 investment on the cassettes & labels? (OK, I know, spending 6 months on ambient tape is furking nutso.) Do tell more. I'm interested in everybody's opinions. b))merang From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 00:36:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16175 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 00:36:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 16156 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 00:36:41 -0000 Received: from stage1.thirdage.com (204.74.82.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 00:36:41 -0000 Received: from cootie.thirdage.com (cootie.ThirdAge.com [204.74.82.158]) by stage1.thirdage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00130 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:34:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971111163835.00f3b358@mail.thirdage.com> X-Sender: chrisp@mail.thirdage.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:38:35 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: chris Subject: Re: sfraves snowboard party! In-Reply-To: <19971112002811.24148.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well put...I'm in complete agreement. And if for some reason there's a problem getting through to MW's phone #, you can call me @ 861-2541, ex. 2 on voicemail, or reply to this here email. -chris At 04:28 PM 11/11/97 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >well guys, i think this here is a seriously good idea. i bet, if we >pulled it off, it could be the party of the year, maybe of the >century. therefore, i hereby nominate the three of us to get this >thing together, the sooner the better. i think this idea is >completely do-able, in fact i've done ski lodge parties before in the >north carolina mountains. sound systems, dj's, lights, the works. >they were fucking great! if you guys are really interested in making >this happen, let me know soon. drop me an email at this addy, or you >can call me at (415)626-4374. the best time to reach me is between 9 >and 10:30 pm on a weeknight. i'll be glad to call you back if phone >bills are an issue. i'm completely into making this thing actually >happen, hope you are too... > >-karsten aka messiah wannabe > > > > > >__________________________________________________________________ >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Christopher Pryor HTML Programmer T H I R D A G E M E D I A http://www.thirdage.com (415)908-3611 c h r i s @ t h i r d a g e . c o m . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 00:53:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19909 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 00:53:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 19898 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 00:53:29 -0000 Received: from stage1.thirdage.com (204.74.82.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 00:53:29 -0000 Received: from cootie.thirdage.com (cootie.ThirdAge.com [204.74.82.158]) by stage1.thirdage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00530 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:51:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971111165522.00f455f0@mail.thirdage.com> X-Sender: chrisp@mail.thirdage.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:55:22 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: chris Subject: Re: sfraves snowboard party! In-Reply-To: <19971112002811.24148.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk So immediately a lot of questions come up about party logistics. If this is going to be in Tahoe then the fourish hour drive seems a little much for an overnight thang. Maybe it should be Thursday or Friday through Sunday, that is, a cabin rental for the weekend? That leaves plenty of time for boarding day AND night, raving day AND night, and maybe even a debaucherous sidetrip to Reno. And when to do it? We'll need a bunch of weeks to prepare, and the December holidays will start cutting into what I would think are first available weekends. Sometime in January, then? By then anyone who hasn't been up into the mountains already will be jonesing for a hit of powder, which should make for some great boarding energy. Wow, what a great experience this could be! -chris At 04:28 PM 11/11/97 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >well guys, i think this here is a seriously good idea. i bet, if we >pulled it off, it could be the party of the year, maybe of the >century. therefore, i hereby nominate the three of us to get this >thing together, the sooner the better. i think this idea is >completely do-able, in fact i've done ski lodge parties before in the >north carolina mountains. sound systems, dj's, lights, the works. >they were fucking great! if you guys are really interested in making >this happen, let me know soon. drop me an email at this addy, or you >can call me at (415)626-4374. the best time to reach me is between 9 >and 10:30 pm on a weeknight. i'll be glad to call you back if phone >bills are an issue. i'm completely into making this thing actually >happen, hope you are too... > >-karsten aka messiah wannabe > > > > > >__________________________________________________________________ >Sent by Yahoo! 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From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 00:58:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22347 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 00:58:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 22338 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 00:58:26 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 00:58:26 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TxF29908; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:54:05 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR=Nerd Related Ramblings Message-ID: <19971111.165509.9799.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-23,25-39 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:54:05 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Subject: Computer Acronyms ISDN It Still Does Nothing APPLE Arrogance Produces Profit-Losing Entity SCSI System Can't See It DOS Defective Operating System BASIC Bill's Attempt to Seize Industry Control IBM I Blame Microsoft DEC Do Expect Cuts CD-ROM Consumer Device, Rendered Obsolete Monthly OS/2 Obsolete Soon, Too. WWW World Wide Wait MACINTOSH Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs PENTIUM Produces Erroneous Numbers Through Incorrect Understanding of Math COBOL Completely Obsolete Business Oriented Language AMIGA A Mostly Insignificant Game Addiction LISP Lots of Infuriating Silly Parenthesis MIPS Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed WINDOWS Will Install Needless Data On Whole System NRR nerd related ramblings > 11"11 <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 01:06:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24346 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 01:05:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 24325 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 01:05:57 -0000 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.108) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 01:05:57 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id RAA03185; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:05:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:05:48 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: sfraves snowboard party! To: chris cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971111165522.00f455f0@mail.thirdage.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Steve-O are you out there?!!?!? Advise us on how to do it!!! On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, chris wrote: > So immediately a lot of questions come up about party logistics. If this is > going to be in Tahoe then the fourish hour drive seems a little much for an > overnight thang. Maybe it should be Thursday or Friday through Sunday, that > is, a cabin rental for the weekend? That leaves plenty of time for boarding > day AND night, raving day AND night, and maybe even a debaucherous sidetrip > to Reno. And when to do it? We'll need a bunch of weeks to prepare, and the > December holidays will start cutting into what I would think are first > available weekends. Sometime in January, then? By then anyone who hasn't > been up into the mountains already will be jonesing for a hit of powder, > which should make for some great boarding energy. Wow, what a great > experience this could be! > > -chris > > > > At 04:28 PM 11/11/97 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >well guys, i think this here is a seriously good idea. i bet, if we > >pulled it off, it could be the party of the year, maybe of the > >century. therefore, i hereby nominate the three of us to get this > >thing together, the sooner the better. i think this idea is > >completely do-able, in fact i've done ski lodge parties before in the > >north carolina mountains. sound systems, dj's, lights, the works. > >they were fucking great! if you guys are really interested in making > >this happen, let me know soon. drop me an email at this addy, or you > >can call me at (415)626-4374. the best time to reach me is between 9 > >and 10:30 pm on a weeknight. i'll be glad to call you back if phone > >bills are an issue. i'm completely into making this thing actually > >happen, hope you are too... > > > >-karsten aka messiah wannabe > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________________ > >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Christopher Pryor > HTML Programmer > T H I R D A G E M E D I A > > http://www.thirdage.com > > (415)908-3611 > c h r i s @ t h i r d a g e . c o m > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 02:43:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14074 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 02:43:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 13565 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 02:43:10 -0000 Received: from mrin85.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin85.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.195) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 02:43:10 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin85.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA29122; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:42:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:42:38 -0500 (EST) From: PHUNKN3@aol.com Message-ID: <971111214222_1804487187@mrin85.mail.aol.com> To: madox@netcom.com, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: question about _Quest_ Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11.12.1997 12:59:45 AM, madox@netcom.com wrote: >does anyone know where Quest on the 15th is gonna be at? i wanna buy the >pre-sale tickets but if its gonna be in like santa cruz i dont want to be >driving that far. thanks for any info. > >Traegen Quest will be in Oakland this weekend!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 02:50:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18756 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 02:50:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 18746 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 02:50:05 -0000 Received: from ns2.accesscom.com (205.226.156.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 02:50:05 -0000 Received: from get.accesscom.com (nico@user34.accesscom.com [205.226.158.34]) by ns2.accesscom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA05558 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:49:56 -0800 From: "n i c o" To: "SFRaves" Subject: #SFRaves Pre-Party Gathering/Dinner Thing Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:48:12 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcef15$6b2a0980$229ee2cd@get.accesscom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk As the representative chimp boi of #sfraves, I wanna invite each and every single one of you to the #sfraves pre-party dinner on Saturday, November 15th. We're not totally sure what time we're going to meet but it's almost definite that we're eating dinner in Berkeley and then going to the Viberations party from there. I hope many of you plan on joining us because last time we had a blast. About 23 people showed up and it was wonderful meeting all the non-IRC kydz. Even though the Trancemasters party got cancelled we still wiggled our arses at Fantasy Island party. I'm prolly going to post more information but get in touch with me if you wanna go. While we're not going to a place where we need reservations, it's good to see how many of you to expect. That way we won't leave too early, etc. *many hugs and lots of love* Nico The Indo Silver Club nico@accesscom.com http://www.accesscom.com/~nico From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 03:15:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22924 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 03:15:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 22915 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 03:15:29 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 03:15:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 19442 invoked by alias); 12 Nov 1997 03:15:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112031521.19441.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 19421 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 03:15:20 -0000 Received: from madmax-96.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.96) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 03:15:20 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: Messiah Wannabe , George Chan Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:15:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: name that dance Reply-to: Faro@usa.net CC: SFRaves@hyperreal.org In-reply-to: <19971111201523.8896.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > What kind of things do you think about when you're dancing? > > > > > > George > > > What a cool question!! I never thought about what I think about when I dance before... I know, it's kind of confusing, just read it very s-l-o-w-l-y. Sometimes I just look at what other people are doing on the dance floor and think about how they do those cool moves or maybe think about trying to figure out what they may be thinking about. :-) Other times I may be thinking about the great (or terrible) day I've had... or thinking about that special someone who cathes your eye across the dance floor. I may be thinking about why the D.J. put togerther the set the way they did... But, a lot of the time I may be actively thinking about very little... Just letting the deep bass and rhythm roll through my body, reacting to the sounds and letting all the tension and worries from earlier in the day float out of my mind on the current of the music. -Faro Faro@usa.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 03:24:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25663 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 03:24:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 25648 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 03:24:09 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 03:24:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 4805 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 03:26:49 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 03:26:49 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961111192206.00b24b50@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:22:06 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: - laminates??? In-Reply-To: <19971110200406.4273.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i threw this possible laminate together this afternoon in between tech serv calls and changing a website graphic for one of my clients... whatta ya think? just foolin' around while explaining to an aol user she should talk to aol's legal department [instead of me] about her account being canceled because someone at her office used her account to send a drunken baby picture [or somesuch] to a guide [or whatever their called]. geez, i don't mean this as BSP... sorry if it is... just sharing. peace - -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 03:26:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26311 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 03:26:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 26295 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 03:26:08 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 03:26:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 4856 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 03:28:47 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 03:28:47 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961111192403.00b24798@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:24:03 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: - laminates In-Reply-To: <19971110200406.4273.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk duh. http://www.deepwell.com/~balanced going home now... til-tuh-marrah peace -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 03:41:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29531 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 03:41:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 29522 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 03:41:13 -0000 Received: from f105.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.224) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 03:41:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 26125 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1997 03:40:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112034041.26124.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.61.217 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:40:41 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.212.61.217] From: "Kimberly the Mermaid" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: name that dance Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:40:41 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >But, a lot of the time I may be actively thinking about very >little... Just letting the deep bass and rhythm roll through my >body, reacting to the sounds and letting all the tension and worries >from earlier in the day float out of my mind on the current of the >music. > >-Faro >Faro@usa.net This I can understand, because for me, dancing is almost a form of meditation. My mind is actually free of concentrating on one aspect of the world or another. My body is free to exert energy as it pleases, and in the end I find myself completely relaxed and even cleansed after having sweated any and all toxins from my body. I never really thought about the fact that when I dance I am not consciously thinking at all. Wow, that's kinda neat!! Come swim with me beneath the depths of the deep blue sea. ~~~Mermaid~~~ LuvTribe, SD From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 04:27:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5678 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 04:27:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 5669 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 04:27:24 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 04:27:24 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA14933; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:23:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971111202049.0072c98c@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:20:56 -0800 To: chris , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 01:12 PM 11/11/97 -0800, chris wrote: > >> >>hate to lose a bunch of money on this. oh yeah, we'll need someone to >>supply the drugz too... >> >is a great idea, and the drugs shouldn't be a problem. > Drugs drugs drugs...sheesh! this list is anything but a secure communication channel--please be discreet when discussing chemical hijinks. Regardless of the importance they have in the scene, you still gotta play it cool as long as the suits in washington continue to trample on people's right to control their own brain activity... ------------------------------- "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 04:43:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8116 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 04:43:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 8107 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 04:43:01 -0000 Received: from f28.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.39) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 04:43:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 19944 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1997 04:42:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112044229.19942.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:42:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:42:28 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk wonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonder if there is anything to do on Friday, November 14 ::::::::::::::::: *****************************408*538*5600***************************** But to wonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonhderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonder wonder Slinky o o o o0 o0 0 O o From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 05:18:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12547 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 05:18:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 12536 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 05:18:40 -0000 Received: from orbital.nethelpnow.com (root@208.25.115.13) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 05:18:40 -0000 Received: from endor (endor.nethelpnow.com [208.25.115.2]) by orbital.nethelpnow.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09313 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:17:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199711120517.VAA09313@orbital.nethelpnow.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Joe Rouvier" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:20:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Sinister Where? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Anyone know how close sinister is going to be to a bart station? I'm thinking of going but I don't really wanna drive... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 05:27:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14963 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 05:27:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 14935 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 05:27:34 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 05:27:34 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA16710; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:27:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:27:01 -0500 (EST) From: PHUNKN3@aol.com Message-ID: <971112002659_630485625@mrin39> To: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: PHUNCKATECK INFO Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk For all those who are interested in PHUNCKATECK/PHUNCKATECK related events: 415.331.1500 x160 The last word in future sounds of Drum & bass.... PEACE NOEL PHUNKN3@AOL.COM From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 05:50:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19762 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 05:50:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 19753 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 05:50:18 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 05:50:18 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AxW19220; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:48:38 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:48:15 -0800 Subject: IN NEED OF MUSIC EQUIPMENT Message-ID: <19971110.084825.7302.5.drek1@juno.com> References: <19971112053305.14925.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-7,9-11,14-26 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey all you folks out there totally into making your own tunes. My buddy Matt has been really getting into producing his own music for the past 6 months or so. He's hella serious too. That lucky bastard came across a TB-303 for the price of his old guitar amp. Now he's sequencing that shit into his MC-303 and getting some cool shit out of it. N E Ways, Matt was wondering if there was anybody who is interested in selling one the few items: Roland MSQ-100, or a 707, or a 727. If you don't have anything of the like that you're trying to get rid of, then let him know if you know of places to get the equipment at a reasonable price. Don't respond to me though. Contact Matt at: Complex_Rotation@Hotmail.com Many thank yous in advance. L8 dErEk From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 06:06:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22743 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 06:06:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 22722 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 06:06:03 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 06:06:03 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.197.175]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA297; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:05:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Funky Tekno Tribe" From: "Funky Tekno Tribe Sound System" To: "SFRAVES" Subject: BSP : THURSDAY NOV 13th FTT Presents SPRING HEEL JACK Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:58:07 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcef2f$f3b5a380$afc5abcf@mohan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Wanted to point out a mistake on the SFRAVES calendar. Spring Heel Jack will be playing on THURSDAY Nove 13th and not WEDNESDAY Nov 13th as it states on the calendar. See you there. Thursday November 13th FTT Presents SPRING HEEL JACK (LIVE) with Noel and Tomas Bimbo's 18+ Doors 8p Show 9p $12 http://www.funkytekno.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 06:30:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26974 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 06:30:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 26961 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 06:30:04 -0000 Received: from paradigm.partnercomm.com (ravedata@205.147.250.5) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 06:30:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (ravedata@localhost) by paradigm.partnercomm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA18515 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:30:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:29:59 -0500 (U) From: Rave Data Compiler X-Sender: ravedata@paradigm To: sf-raves Subject: Tired of the same old mixtapes?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk We have been working very hard updating our web pages and adding new features, and especially getting ready to add our biggest addition yet: www.ravedata.com Our tape collection grows almost daily. We have someowhere close to 300 tapes in our collection and are looking to continue trading with everyone. We love to do FAST and honest trades. We are not out to make a buck but to just exchange the music we all love so much =) We have FIVE double cassette decks, tons of blank tapes (bulk Maxxel XL-II 90's and 60's) and are ready to trade with a whole bunch of people! In addition to this we have added a list for tape traders to post hteir names, addresses and email address so people can get in touch with you to trade tapes and even a message board to post particular interest in tapes such as "Looking for Trance tapes"...we have also done this for flyer traders, so anyone that is interested check out our newly updated web pages at: www.partnercomm.com/~tapes/ www.partnercomm.com/~flyers/ Thanks and we hope to hear from you soon! Love- Nicole & Matt (Angel & Cyphonix) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The RAVEDATA Project ravedata@partnercomm.com flyer trades: www.partnercomm.com/~flyers mixtape trades: www.partnercomm.com/~tapes From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 06:57:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2221 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 06:57:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 2211 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 06:57:18 -0000 Received: from liberty4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.7) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 06:57:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 9832 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1997 06:56:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112065613.9831.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.205.89 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:56:12 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.205.89] From: "denise castillo" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: i'M gOiNg BaCk 2 CaLi.... =) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:56:12 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey kidzzz.... :) i'm moving to sf in january and i wuz wundering if u all could help me out (pretty please wit cherriez on top!!).... here'z tha deal.... i'm looking 4 an apartment.... preferably a 2 bedroom in tha city.... (no neighborhoodz that would require me 2 pack my gat please!!! he he!!).... reasonably priced.... and definitely rava friendly!!.... :) if any uv u have any suggestionz 4 me, info on who 2 talk 2, or know uv any openingz coming up in ur buildingz feel free 2 email me privately..... thankz a bunch n' have a happ-E day!!! :) see u all soon!! :)..... Luv'n'LotsaHugzzz..... dEnisE From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 07:06:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3670 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 07:05:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 3660 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 07:05:56 -0000 Received: from f32.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.43) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 07:05:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 23118 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1997 07:05:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112070511.23117.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.159.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:05:10 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.159.130] From: "maya katz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, nico@accesscom.com Subject: Re: #SFRaves Pre-Party Gathering/Dinner Thing Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:05:10 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk is anyone from San francisco going to this that wants to give me a ride?!?! i would love to go, but live in SF, and am w/out car... i work till 7:15 on saturday, but i can help with the gas and everything if needed... thanks.... : )~ passin' the lovin' ~maya~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 07:33:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6738 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 07:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 6729 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 07:33:24 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 07:33:24 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CjH29908; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:32:55 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: - laminates Message-ID: <19971111.233401.8335.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> References: <3.0.2.32.19961111192403.00b24798@deepwell.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:32:55 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:24:03 -0800 SolR writes: >duh. > >http://www.deepwell.com/~balanced > I liked your site. I hope i get one of your laminates. > <"FISH>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 08:04:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11656 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 08:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 11647 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 08:04:29 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 08:04:29 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA13267; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:03:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:03:56 -0500 (EST) From: CheerioHN@aol.com Message-ID: <971112030356_475530067@mrin39> To: chris@thirdage.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: SFRAVES SNOW ADVENTURE(and snow update) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey there kiddos!!! Okie...welp rite now im in tha processes of looking for a fairly LARGE cabin or 2 cabins close together to throw this thing at, im aiming for mid febuary when the snow is the best. I have no idea how much this is all gunna cost yet but so far it looks like most LARGE places are about$250-$300 a nite and im thinkin we'll need it for friday and saturday nites...which isn't that bad concidering the fun were all gunna have :o) I doubt i'll be getting the deposit back eiother so thats an added expence. Of corse i will ask people to car pool (KEEP TAHOE BLUE!) and i would think tix would be, at the most, $10 but that mite change when i get more info... For today it snowed all evening, it still is a little bit, i hope to get on the mountain by saturday, a few plan to open by then (*YAY*) Some roads are requiring chains n stuff so BE CAREFUL if your heading this way!!! everybodys help would be greatly appreciated in puttin this shindig together, if you know anyone with a cabin(prefiably north shore so don't gotta drive forever) or are willing to donate some time to spin at the party or bring your happy face when the party arrives i would be the happiest gurrl ever!!!! you all take care and i hope to see you all soon!! loVE! JiL From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 08:47:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16888 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 08:46:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 16879 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 08:46:58 -0000 Received: from mrin46.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin46.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.156) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 08:46:58 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA18579 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:46:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:46:25 -0500 (EST) From: DJHaas@aol.com Message-ID: <971112034625_2117594568@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: What's the haps this weekend? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I sent a message earlier, but as i am still new to this, I am not sure if it got through, So I will reiterate. My friends and I have chosen Quest as our party of the week, cause it looks like the best around with a pretty solid line up. I read that a few of you are planning to go to Viberations, so I was wondering who was going to Quest, and maybe if anyone knows where it is? I'd like to meet all of you, since this only my third day on sfraves, but have been welcomed with open arms. In response to an earlier message, I do know that it is in SF or Oaktown, definetly not Santa Cruz. So please please please, give me the buzz on this party, cuz I like to know as much as possible before I go and waste my hard earned dough, ya know? Wonderful Wednesday! Haas From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 09:33:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22804 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 09:33:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 22795 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 09:33:34 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 09:33:34 -0000 Received: from hikaru-mccarthy (ppp-206-170-3-146.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.3.146]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id BAA18851; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:33:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346974F6.12F4@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:20:54 -0800 From: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" Reply-To: mickeymc@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-PBWG (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAKSMI CC: chris , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk LAKSMI wrote: > > ummm... it's snowing up here right now :)))))) > > *********************************************** > Go to the mountains and the oceans and the > forests, go naked in the summertime that you > regain the old joy and love gladly and freely > under the stars. > > J.W. Parsons > *********************************************** the only question in my mind is... HOW MUCH IZ ONNA SLOPES? sorry, but I am makin my fall metamorphasis from a summer whatever kinda person to a fullblown jonesin JIBBER From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 09:39:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24099 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 09:39:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 24076 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 09:39:05 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 09:39:05 -0000 Received: from hikaru-mccarthy (ppp-206-170-3-146.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.3.146]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id BAA19668; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:38:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34697640.1EF5@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:26:24 -0800 From: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" Reply-To: mickeymc@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-PBWG (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sfraves snowboard party! References: <3.0.3.32.19971111165522.00f455f0@mail.thirdage.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk chris wrote: > > So immediately a lot of questions come up about party logistics. If this is > going to be in Tahoe then the fourish hour drive seems a little much for an > overnight thang. Maybe it should be Thursday or Friday through Sunday, that > is, a cabin rental for the weekend? That leaves plenty of time for boarding > day AND night, raving day AND night, and maybe even a debaucherous sidetrip > to Reno. And when to do it? We'll need a bunch of weeks to prepare, and the > December holidays will start cutting into what I would think are first > available weekends. Sometime in January, then? By then anyone who hasn't > been up into the mountains already will be jonesing for a hit of powder, > which should make for some great boarding energy. Wow, what a great > experience this could be! > > -chris > > At 04:28 PM 11/11/97 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >well guys, i think this here is a seriously good idea. i bet, if we > >pulled it off, it could be the party of the year, maybe of the > >century. therefore, i hereby nominate the three of us to get this > >thing together, the sooner the better. i think this idea is > >completely do-able, in fact i've done ski lodge parties before in the > >north carolina mountains. sound systems, dj's, lights, the works. > >they were fucking great! if you guys are really interested in making > >this happen, let me know soon. drop me an email at this addy, or you > >can call me at (415)626-4374. the best time to reach me is between 9 > >and 10:30 pm on a weeknight. i'll be glad to call you back if phone > >bills are an issue. i'm completely into making this thing actually > >happen, hope you are too... > > > >-karsten aka messiah wannabe > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________________ > >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Christopher Pryor > HTML Programmer > T H I R D A G E M E D I A > > http://www.thirdage.com > > (415)908-3611 > c h r i s @ t h i r d a g e . c o m > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A coupla questions regarding this... did this happen last season at all? anyone with prior experience settin sumthin like this up? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 10:01:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8381 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 10:01:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 8366 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 10:01:01 -0000 Received: from germany-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO germany.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.123) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 10:01:01 -0000 Received: from [153.34.230.125] (1Cust125.max44.san-francisco2.ca.ms.uu.net [153.34.230.125]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA08660; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:00:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711121000.CAA08660@germany.it.earthlink.net> Subject: playground!! Re: Psychophunk Crew! Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 02:01:50 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: hak1 To: "Psycho Phunk" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > 1) Thad from Solid grooves will be selling them personally at Solid >Grooves ( Bascom Ave, San Jose ) at some specific time on Sundays and >Mondays. Keep in mind, these tickets are being sold through Thad, not >solid grooves. If you ask anyone else there for the tickets they wont >know what your talking about...just ask for Thad. i work all day sundays and mondays @ the record store (1-7 sun, and 12-7 mon). when the tickets are available, just give me a ring (408.999.0259), or come down to solid grooves (368 bascom ave). late, hak (or thad :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 14:53:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7173 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 14:53:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 7163 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 14:53:23 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 14:53:23 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id GAA16570; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id GAA06905; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:53:16 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:53:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: happy birhday In-Reply-To: <3468B5CC.4BC3@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well Amy Starkey is born on 12/12. That should be fun in 2012. On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > Happy birthday to E~L~E~N~A > > It must be really cool to be born on 11:11. > > ><{{{"> 11:11 <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > > hugz, Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 15:13:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9903 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 15:13:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 9894 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 15:13:34 -0000 Received: from mother.neurex.com (38.221.50.170) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 15:13:34 -0000 Received: by mother.neurex.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8825654D.0053E236 ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:16:13 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NEUREX CORPORATION From: mdowner@neurex.com To: mickeymc@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <8825654D.00520197.00@mother.neurex.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:16:09 -0700 Subject: Re: sfraves snowboard party! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I have thrown similar part's in the snow. But never for a rave like environment Rave kiddies are a little more relaxed than my corporate clients. I love Old Blue (Tahoe), but Bear Valley is allot closer by like an 2 hours. I have also rented a number of cabins in the Bear Valley/Calavaras County area. So I know some killers places to rent. As for Snow Boarding , Bear has supposedly done some changes to make the resort more Snow Boarding friendly. As for skiing, I have been skiing there for like 20 years now (God I feel old now, and I am only 22). If anyone wants my help is planning this event, let me know. Matthew L. Downer (AKA Cracked Out Elmo) Neurex Corporation 650-614-1031 (Work) 408-777-9182 (Home) mickeymc@pacbell.net on 11/12/97 01:26:24 AM Please respond to mickeymc@pacbell.net To: chris@thirdage.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org (bcc: Matthew Downer/Neurex Corporation) Subject: Re: sfraves snowboard party! chris wrote: > > So immediately a lot of questions come up about party logistics. If this is > going to be in Tahoe then the fourish hour drive seems a little much for an > overnight thang. Maybe it should be Thursday or Friday through Sunday, that > is, a cabin rental for the weekend? That leaves plenty of time for boarding > day AND night, raving day AND night, and maybe even a debaucherous sidetrip > to Reno. And when to do it? We'll need a bunch of weeks to prepare, and the > December holidays will start cutting into what I would think are first > available weekends. Sometime in January, then? By then anyone who hasn't > been up into the mountains already will be jonesing for a hit of powder, > which should make for some great boarding energy. Wow, what a great > experience this could be! > > -chris > > At 04:28 PM 11/11/97 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >well guys, i think this here is a seriously good idea. i bet, if we > >pulled it off, it could be the party of the year, maybe of the > >century. therefore, i hereby nominate the three of us to get this > >thing together, the sooner the better. i think this idea is > >completely do-able, in fact i've done ski lodge parties before in the > >north carolina mountains. sound systems, dj's, lights, the works. > >they were fucking great! if you guys are really interested in making > >this happen, let me know soon. drop me an email at this addy, or you > >can call me at (415)626-4374. the best time to reach me is between 9 > >and 10:30 pm on a weeknight. i'll be glad to call you back if phone > >bills are an issue. i'm completely into making this thing actually > >happen, hope you are too... > > > >-karsten aka messiah wannabe > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________________ > >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Christopher Pryor > HTML Programmer > T H I R D A G E M E D I A > > http://www.thirdage.com > > (415)908-3611 > c h r i s @ t h i r d a g e . c o m > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A coupla questions regarding this... did this happen last season at all? anyone with prior experience settin sumthin like this up? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 15:41:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14258 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 15:41:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 14245 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 15:41:17 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 15:41:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112154327.4365.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web2; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:43:27 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:43:27 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: SFRAVES SNOW ADVENTURE(and snow update) To: CheerioHN@aol.com, chris@thirdage.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey Jill and kiddies, I am currently searching for some cabins as we speak as well. North Shore is looking like the best bet. I am looking to rent a cabin for a month, so there may be more than one party 8) luckE MED VANLIG HALSNING Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 16:21:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22302 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 16:21:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22279 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 16:20:59 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 16:20:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112161902.2358.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by attach1; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:19:02 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:19:02 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance To: Faro@usa.net, Messiah Wannabe , George Chan Cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Nothing - I don't think of anything and thats the beauty of it all. I just loose myself in the music and let the beat move my feet 8) I think too many people are worried about what they look like or how they are perceived by others. Don't think about what your doing just dance. luckE Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 16:39:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25919 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 16:39:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 25908 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 16:39:29 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 16:39:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112164139.14540.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.57.69] by web2; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:41:39 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:41:39 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: BSP: I think i'm feeling a bit *sinister* To: Dan Capriles , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk well seeing how supa star micron is spinning... i gotta be there....well it could also be tha sick drum n breaks room wit... meeks...re-ach...siphon....science..flux... and a few others that night... but micron knows i love his stuff.. so hes tha real reason i'm there....hmmm...yeah... love jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 16:39:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26434 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 16:39:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 26421 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 16:39:48 -0000 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.119) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 16:39:48 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id IAA26597; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:39:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:39:40 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: SFRaves Snow Mania (Cabin Party IV) To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Count me and a big box of records in on this one, k? Thanks. If I remember right, last year's party was like in the $25-$35 per person range and it was 3 days/2 nights wasn't it? That cabin was pretty dope, too, with that hot tub and the whole bit (though I was far too whacked out to drag myself over and into the hot tub) :D Yeah, I'm excited about this! :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 16:44:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27697 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 16:44:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 27688 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 16:44:11 -0000 Received: from liberty5.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.165) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 16:44:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 1967 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1997 16:43:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112164344.1966.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:43:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sfraves snowboard party! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:43:44 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I know that area like my buttinzkee, Half of my family lives up there, but I think that it would be more fun to go to Tahoe, it'll be worth the hike. Will someone be willing to teach my clumsy ass how to snowboard? Please, I feel like I'm the only one on the planet who's never done it :( Also, how much are ticket thingies, rental, etc? And do they rent out Slinkys? o o o o0 o0 0 O o From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 16:50:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28590 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 16:50:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 28581 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 16:50:42 -0000 Received: from f47.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.58) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 16:50:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 8838 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1997 16:49:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112164954.8837.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:49:53 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:49:53 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well, the times when I dance are when all the "Cool" DJ's are asleep and the less known are going off with their jungle/oingo-boingo/cheese ball tunes in the morning (I love old, cheesy music at raves, I'm sure it is the way I was brought up) The sun has just come up and Danny's lettin it flow, I think of how beautiful the music ties with life and how I don't want to stop dancing cuz when I do, I'll have to go home and join reality. Mr. Layne wrote: >Nothing - I don't think of anything and thats the >beauty of it all. I just loose myself in the music >and let the beat move my feet 8) I think too many >people >are worried about what they look like or how they are >perceived by others. Don't think about what your doing >just dance. > > >luckE >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 16:51:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29146 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 16:51:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 29136 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 16:51:37 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 16:51:37 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA18427 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:50:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from srf-ca5-11.ix.netcom.com(199.182.131.171) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018358; Wed Nov 12 10:50:33 1997 Message-ID: <3469DE32.147B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:49:54 -0800 From: Sunny Reply-To: SugarShack@mindless.com Organization: Pablo's Sugar Shack X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ** Donald Glaude @ The Sugar Shack - Saturday! ** [BSP] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk [BSP] Join us Saturday Night as we welcome a very special friend of ours from Seattle... - Pablo's Sugar Shack - Funky House & Mad Jazzy Grooves! November 15, 1997 DONALD GLAUDE TAJ DAVE D. CRISPY MOFO - S A T U R D A Y - 10pm - afterhours VSF, 278 11th St. @ Folsom, SF $10, 21+, 415.668.2476 SFRaves free B4 10:30pm From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 17:01:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 480 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 17:01:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 471 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 17:01:11 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 17:01:11 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12529 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA26055; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:55:07 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:03:31 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i think about how if the universe started with the Big Bang and is expanding, then it must have started at one finite point. At some point in time Everything in the universe was One. At some point in time the universe will recoil (boomerang) and collapse back into itself, and become Nothing. And so when I dance, I think I am Nothing. I am Everything. b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 17:03:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1788 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 17:03:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 1779 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 17:03:09 -0000 Received: from f59.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.145) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 17:03:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 7708 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1997 17:02:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112170241.7706.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:02:40 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Sadge Rising Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:02:40 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay everyone, One of these days, when I kick the ol' folks outa the house for a weekend, I'm gonna have a nice little house party for the sfrave doods and doodettes so we can all experience what I am seeing this morning. The sun is beautiful, everything is crisp and clear up here in the Santa Cruz mtns, and glowing with optimism and life. I would love for us to have a weekend house party up at my pad, and I'm worrking with the padres on this one. They might even be here, but they are cool, Some of you might even be the same age as mom and dad and you might hit it off (Tony) just kidding He he :) I'll keep you posted... Danny From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 17:38:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13496 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 17:38:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 13486 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 17:38:34 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 17:38:34 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA27214 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:28:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971112092508.00735c50@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:25:20 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: in praise of the "real world" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk so many people talk about how the parties they go to are so wonderful because they provide escape from the "real world," and gripe when that world intrudes (music stops, police trouble, party ends)... but have you ever stopped to think of what an infinite and beautiful world we live in on an everyday basis? what brilliant things there are to experience on the face of fragile Gaia? a planet of eternal ice and eternal desert, of thick life-choked jungles and thick life-choked metropolises a planet of saintly people and murderous evil people a planet of repetitive beats and long stretches of silence a planet of passionate love-making as a joint burns low on the dresser ashtray and nights spent alone watching the moon rise in a star-washed sky a planet of unity and separation a green-blue marble that shines almost as strong as a supernova at night because we have spread the glittering jewels of human creation so far across the globe so here's to the "real world," within and without the raves, sober and wasted, industrious amphetamine cities and quiet soporific wilderness... gotta love it sometimes, ya know? ------------------------------- "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 17:41:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15069 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 17:41:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 15059 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 17:41:12 -0000 Received: from kzsu.stanford.edu (36.118.0.90) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 17:41:12 -0000 Received: (from radon@localhost) by kzsu.Stanford.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA29572; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:41:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:41:03 -0800 (PST) From: dj radon To: Rave Data Compiler cc: sf-raves Subject: Re: Tired of the same old mixtapes?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey eveverybody. On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Rave Data Compiler wrote: > We have FIVE double > cassette decks, tons of blank tapes (bulk Maxxel XL-II 90's and 60's) and > are ready to trade with a whole bunch of people! It almost sounds like you trade _copies_ of mixtapes... If that's the case, do you get permission from the creator first? (don't mean to sound accusatory, I'm just curious). I know the mixtape scene is built on dubbing your favorite mixtape for your roomate/friend/mom, but when you get FIVE cassette decks and tons of blank tapes, it almost seems like a different thing altogether. -radon From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 17:49:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16698 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 17:49:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 16158 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 17:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 17:48:33 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:44:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112095010.006c5fe4@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:50:10 -0800 To: Layne Loomis From: Megan Hug Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance Cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971112161902.2358.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Layne Loomis wrote: >Nothing - I don't think of anything and thats the >beauty of it all. I just loose myself in the music >and let the beat move my feet 8) I think too many >people >are worried about what they look like or how they are >perceived by others. Don't think about what your doing >just dance. you go boy! i can understand needing a little time to get into the groove... but after a certian point it's it's almost hard NOT to let your body start movin', shakin', & groovin' to that beat!!! it is like meditation! (as someone pointed out before!) it's like a drug... once you have a little bit of that high... you can only want more and you never want that high to end - whether it's 5pm or 5am!!! it's hard to stay in touch with reality! i've noticed recently that i can't dance with my eyes open! it reminds me of where i am... and that i'm "stuck" in this world... when they're closed... i am lost in another place and time! :) no worries, no thoughts, no stress... just a feeling of pure exstacy! :meditation... an intense feeling... you're one with the music! ahhhh.... too good to be real! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 18:01:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21102 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 18:01:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 21093 invoked by uid 24); 12 Nov 1997 18:01:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 6515 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 17:17:45 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 17:17:45 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xVgQ1-00027t-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:17:33 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:17:40 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Layne Loomis cc: Faro@usa.net, Messiah Wannabe , George Chan , SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance In-Reply-To: <19971112161902.2358.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ** NICE THREAD LAYNE ** I love it when people bring up topics such as this, which allow us to share our music experience/existence with others. Nice. When I dance/listen to the house music (Danny Tanaglia, Stacey Pullen, Alton Miller, DJ Sneak) I feel REALLLLLY good. I close my eyes and groove to the beat and let my mind, body, and soul free. Whatever these three elements that make up *me* want to do is what they do. I forget about this world and think of my dreams and other worlds and galaxies.... I picture myself dancing in the cosmos... stars and planets all around.... very cosmic.. a very good energy.... love and romance of course.... that special someone and I grooving up in the clouds and stars high above. Everything is peaceful and there is no tension. Pure bliss. This is the reality that I exist in when my eyes are closed and beautiful house cleansing me. When I dance/listen to Jungle (LTJ BUKEM style jungle that is) I feel the really deep emotions that make me who I am (And I strive to build on). These are love, peace of mind, hope, feeling content with myself and everything around me, more love :), romance, adventure, cosmic consciousness, eternal life, happyness, etc. This music touches me the deepest and is a big party of my life. When I'm dancing I always see, smell and feel things that I see with my mind's eye. Bright colors, sweet scents, etc. My imagination is my life. Without it this would all be so plain and tasteless. I can imagine anything I want. The music puts me in places that only exist within my mind, but I hope to bring to life for others to experience.... CYBERTROPIC COMMUNICATIONS.... My $.02 Byroni ps. I would love to have a live discussion about this topic at our next pre-party or something. It's a great topic.... nice one. On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Layne Loomis wrote: > Nothing - I don't think of anything and thats the > beauty of it all. I just loose myself in the music > and let the beat move my feet 8) I think too many > people > are worried about what they look like or how they are > perceived by others. Don't think about what your doing > just dance. > > > luckE > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 18:01:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21499 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 18:01:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 21401 invoked by uid 24); 12 Nov 1997 18:01:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 19778 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 17:56:58 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 17:56:58 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xVh1a-0002lO-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:56:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:56:28 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: josh sorkin cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: in praise of the "real world" In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971112092508.00735c50@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Josh, What a beautiful post. I love it. Thanks for sharing that gem that is your heart, with the rest of us. Poetic brilliance. This world is as *real* as it gets. Make it what you want *real* to be. It's all in your hands. Society tells us what *Reality* is and the 90%+ of people who are sheep follow this. It's up to intelligent, spiritual, loving, people like ourselves to change this reality. And in fact have begun to do this.. just look at all of us coming together like this with common goals, values and understanding. Byroni On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, josh sorkin wrote: > so many people talk about how the parties they go to are so wonderful > because they provide escape from the "real world," and gripe when that > world intrudes (music stops, police trouble, party ends)... > > but have you ever stopped to think of what an infinite and beautiful world > we live in on an everyday basis? what brilliant things there are to > experience on the face of fragile Gaia? > > a planet of eternal ice and eternal desert, of thick life-choked jungles > and thick life-choked metropolises > > a planet of saintly people and murderous evil people > > a planet of repetitive beats and long stretches of silence > > a planet of passionate love-making as a joint burns low on the dresser > ashtray and nights spent alone watching the moon rise in a star-washed sky > > a planet of unity and separation > > a green-blue marble that shines almost as strong as a supernova at night > because we have spread the glittering jewels of human creation so far > across the globe > > so here's to the "real world," within and without the raves, sober and > wasted, industrious amphetamine cities and quiet soporific wilderness... > > gotta love it sometimes, ya know? > ------------------------------- > "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my > tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 18:02:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21797 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 18:02:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 21771 invoked by uid 24); 12 Nov 1997 18:02:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 17786 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 05:40:44 -0000 Received: from bw.cea.edu (206.14.112.225) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 05:40:44 -0000 Received: from [206.204.97.150] ([206.204.97.150] (may be forged)) by bw.cea.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA13600 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: spaz@hyperreal.org X-Sender: spaz@hyperreal.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:44:29 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: radio M.U.T.A.N.T. Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk all of a sudden....... live from S.P.A.Z. house...San Francisco ,CA Radio M.U.T.A.N.T. -------- live internet broadcast in RealAudio>>>>>>>>> 6pm-2am Pacific Standard Time every wednesday until the end of time......... featuring dj's and live music of many different styles including tekno-noise-experimental-dub-hardcore-jazz-funk-hip/hop starts wednesday nov. 13 >>>>>>featuring live performance by Electric Mayhem >>>>exclusive preview of new music by Liquid Acrobat >>>>>>>>>>dj Goldilox >>>>>>>>dj Din www.hyperreal.org/~spaz/ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 18:21:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26777 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 18:21:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 26763 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 18:21:16 -0000 Received: from f4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 18:21:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 19726 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1997 18:20:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112182039.19725.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:20:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: in praise of the real world Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:20:33 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sure I think about how beautiful the real world is. But for me, I also think about the rave world, and how fun it is to socialize, dance, and communicate with your soul. In my real world, it is very difficult to dance while serving tables at my resteraunt and to be "in touch" with myself, cause I'm too worried about if the food is ready for those snobs at table 69. I compare the two dimensions because they are very different from eachother, and I feel they should be different, or else raving would just be another day at work. Peace, bAByHueY >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 09:38:46 1997 >Received: (qmail 13496 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 17:38:35 -0000 >Received: (qmail 13486 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 17:38:34 -0000 >Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 17:38:34 -0000 >Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA27214 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:28:02 -0800 >Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971112092508.00735c50@uclink4.berkeley.edu> >X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:25:20 -0800 >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >From: josh sorkin >Subject: in praise of the "real world" >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >so many people talk about how the parties they go to are so wonderful >because they provide escape from the "real world," and gripe when that >world intrudes (music stops, police trouble, party ends)... > >but have you ever stopped to think of what an infinite and beautiful world >we live in on an everyday basis? what brilliant things there are to >experience on the face of fragile Gaia? > >a planet of eternal ice and eternal desert, of thick life-choked jungles >and thick life-choked metropolises > >a planet of saintly people and murderous evil people > >a planet of repetitive beats and long stretches of silence > >a planet of passionate love-making as a joint burns low on the dresser >ashtray and nights spent alone watching the moon rise in a star-washed sky > >a planet of unity and separation > >a green-blue marble that shines almost as strong as a supernova at night >because we have spread the glittering jewels of human creation so far >across the globe > >so here's to the "real world," within and without the raves, sober and >wasted, industrious amphetamine cities and quiet soporific wilderness... > >gotta love it sometimes, ya know? >------------------------------- >"i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my >tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 18:24:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27564 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 18:24:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 27552 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 18:24:37 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 18:24:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112181911.17716.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web1; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:19:11 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:19:11 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance To: Megan Hug Cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > but after > a certian point it's it's almost hard NOT to let your body start movin', > shakin', & groovin' to that beat!!! > it is like meditation! (as someone pointed out before!) Exactly! I'll be talking to folks at a party and I'll look down and my feet will already be movin' to the beats, so I have to say hold on a sec. I gotta' go groove real quick like. I'm not trying to be rude I simply can't help it 8) LL Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 18:28:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29611 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 18:28:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 29602 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 18:28:20 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 18:28:20 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16856 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA27089; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:22:21 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:30:44 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk baseball, usually. Oh, DANCING? never mind. ahem. b))m. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 18:43:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4724 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 18:43:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 4714 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 18:43:28 -0000 Received: from u2.netgate.net (haze@204.145.147.8) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 18:43:28 -0000 Received: (from haze@localhost) by u2.netgate.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15862 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: Haze Message-Id: <199711121845.KAA15862@u2.netgate.net> Subject: SRR - Schtuff To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:45:21 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: haze@netgate.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey all. Tis me, one of your ravenewbie recent delurkers, Haze (not like you couldn't tell from your mail reader anyway :) ). Anyways, the reasons for this post are varied. Firstly, I'm considering going to my first Rave this weekend (as I'm not going to the club I go to from time to time as tonight is the Saturday before the fullmoon and therefore 'Masquerade' night, which I really don't care for), and I was wondering if anyone could recommend which of the varied events that have been announced would be good. I also was wondering if anyone would like to volunteer to take a ravevirgin under their wing for a night (I even had a laminate made! Woo! *ahem* ok, nevermind) and show her the ropes, or you know..just go with her there, talk to her and make sure she doesn't get stranded for a way home. :) Any takers? Secondly, I'm currently revising and updating my home page, having just moved it to another server and realized how truly lame it was. As such, I'm in the middle of adding pages, including one about Raves and such. If you have input for my page (any of them), or comments or maybe have a page you'd like to see linked off of mine, please drop me a note and let me know, I can always use more links. Haze http://haze.netgate.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 18:51:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6497 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 18:51:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 6443 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 18:51:04 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 18:51:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112184850.5941.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.147] by web4; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:48:50 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: SRR - Schtuff To: haze@netgate.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk if u r going saturday night.... i'd attend viberations....sinister in tha east bay... i know i'll be there.... love jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---Haze wrote: > > Hey all. > > Tis me, one of your ravenewbie recent delurkers, Haze (not like you > couldn't tell from your mail reader anyway :) ). Anyways, the reasons for > this post are varied. > > Firstly, I'm considering going to my first Rave this weekend (as I'm not > going to the club I go to from time to time as tonight is the Saturday > before the fullmoon and therefore 'Masquerade' night, which I really don't > care for), and I was wondering if anyone could recommend which of the > varied events that have been announced would be good. I also was wondering > if anyone would like to volunteer to take a ravevirgin under their wing for > a night (I even had a laminate made! Woo! *ahem* ok, nevermind) and show > her the ropes, or you know..just go with her there, talk to her and make > sure she doesn't get stranded for a way home. :) Any takers? > > Secondly, I'm currently revising and updating my home page, having just > moved it to another server and realized how truly lame it was. As such, > I'm in the middle of adding pages, including one about Raves and such. If > you have input for my page (any of them), or comments or maybe have a page > you'd like to see linked off of mine, please drop me a note and let me > know, I can always use more links. > > Haze > http://haze.netgate.net > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 18:57:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8498 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 18:56:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 8489 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 18:56:58 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 18:56:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112185500.5836.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.165.108.10] by attach1; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:55:00 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:55:00 -0800 (PST) From: SCiEnCe Subject: Looking for Jungle this weekend?? *bsp* To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Massive- Come check out our excellent lineup for this weekend's Viberation event: Sinister! Starting off the jungle room we will have MEEKS, who helped plan 2 free d'nb renegades this summer in SF (grumpy kids and quest). I saw him play in SLO last weekend, and the boy was tearin it up. Up and Coming talent does NOT get any better than this. I'm gonna be up next and I've got a few tasty promo surprises for you. But enough about me... Third up we'll have FLUX, who I shouldn't have to tell you about. One of the most well respected drum'n bass dj's in Cali, and I just read a review from a show of his in the midwest which sounded fresh. Fourth up, the master of darkness Re Ach! Dropping the craziest techstep and dark beats, he amazes me every time. Hands down one of the most exciting and dynamic crowd-movers in the bay area. Last up we'll have an extended set from dj SIPHON, who'll be guaranteed to start your morning off with a funk. Last time I saw him a morning set, I loked around and it seemed like EVERYBODY was smiling and dancing. Definately not to be missed. All this plus another room with your resident Vibe dj's Micron, Li and Andy W plus guests: Greg of Harmonics and Sho, formerly of MAD. We're getting really excited, so save your good vibes for saterday night! SINISTER brought to you by viberation. Nov 15th 10pm till ?? Presale tix at T & J Factory in Berkeley and Solid Grooves in S.J. vm: 408.881.0898 thanks for reading this far! -Science Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 19:02:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10165 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 19:02:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 10156 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 19:02:05 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 19:02:05 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-221.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.221]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id LAA29648 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:02:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3469FDB6.33F0@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:04:22 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Customer Service wrote: > > i think about how if the universe started with > the Big Bang > > and is expanding, I thought feminist proved the big bang theory wrong... that it wasnt really THAT big. > <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 19:08:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13355 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 19:08:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 13346 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 19:08:07 -0000 Received: from mrin44.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin44.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.154) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 19:08:07 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA23909; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:07:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:07:40 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971112140739_561085371@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: peter@niles.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: re: What do you think of when your dancing? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/12/97 11:20:34 AM, you wrote: <> So one day will you eventually cancel yourself out and become an empty set? :) natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 19:14:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15053 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 19:14:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 15042 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 19:14:42 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 19:14:42 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id LAA27892; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id LAA25322; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:14:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:14:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: sfraves cc: Is it Trance? <604@party.net> Subject: NRR (offtopic) Rolling Stones/Pearl Jam Tickets Available for Friday! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! ]=} Sorry for the off topic post. Some friends of mine have extra tickets for the stones show. Please reply to me. hugz, Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:35:47 -0800 From: Julia.Carter@BankAmerica.com To: community@mystical.org Subject: community: Rolling Stones/Pearl Jam Tickets Available for Friday! Hey now, Due to a scheduling conflict, it looks like we've got two tickets for the Rolling Stones/Pearl Jam concert happening *this* Friday, November 14th at Oakland Coliseum for sale at face value ($65 each). If anyone from the Community is interested in them, then please let me know ASAP. The tickets are located together in section 216 and the concert is scheduled to start at 7:30pm. Tickets are $65 each. Thanks! Julia From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 19:24:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18777 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 19:24:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 18768 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 19:24:32 -0000 Received: from mrin79.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin79.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 19:24:32 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA22322 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:24:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:24:05 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971112142404_1469088831@mrin79> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: in praise of the "real world" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/12/97 12:07:11 PM, case@uclink4 wrote: KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE MY BRAIN!!!! one big marble filled with unified repetitive stretches of silent separated supernovas Man! No wonder why i can't get anything done around here!! luv n hugs, natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 19:34:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20517 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 19:34:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 20508 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 19:34:13 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 19:34:13 -0000 Received: from katiez.vip.best.com (dynamic61.pm03.sf3d.best.com [209.24.234.189]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id LAA04991; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:29:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346A03AA.7A8FAB80@best.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:29:46 -0800 From: Katie Zitterbart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Capriles CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: BSP: I think i'm feeling a bit *sinister* X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19971111232043.999.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey, Micron! Jeremy cares, so that's one. I CARE, so I'll be two ;-) but 10:30???? guess Goolie, Erik, Analouisa and I can't be on Raver time. GAWD - what an imposition [just kidding, dan] Katie 'i ususally put something punny here, but i'm cranky today' z From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 19:52:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24434 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 19:52:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 24425 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 19:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 19:52:10 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:40:10 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112114600.006ca7bc@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:46:00 -0800 To: viet le , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Megan Hug Subject: Re: meet at Spring Heel Jack? Cc: maya katz In-Reply-To: <346A0522.22E4@slip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ok! i'm still going... where do you want to meet? and when? how about at one of the big tables- near the bar in the back of the main performance room? before the show around 8:45? 15 min before the show starts? if you've never been to bimbo's before... it's really beautiful, nice ambience, and i think there are going to be some good dj's there! if you haven't gotten a ticket... GET ONE! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 19:56:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25894 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 19:56:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 25883 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 19:56:36 -0000 Received: from mrin79.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin79.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 19:56:36 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA05415; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:56:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:56:08 -0500 (EST) From: HornedHalo@aol.com Message-ID: <971112145545_-759529383@mrin79> To: poobear@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sfraves snowboard party! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-12 14:19:28 EST, poobear writes: << Will someone be willing to teach my clumsy ass how to snowboard? Please, I feel like I'm the only one on the planet who's never done it >> Don't worry. I'm in the same boat you are, pretty much! I've been up (with a lift ticket, board, etc.) twice, but got too...INTOXICATED.... There might well be a class of two...or we can try falling down together... ;-}- HornedHalo From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 20:02:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28686 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 20:02:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 28677 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 20:02:19 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 20:02:19 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.197.207]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA299; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:01:40 -0800 Reply-To: "Funky Tekno Tribe" From: "Funky Tekno Tribe Sound System" To: "viet le" , , "Megan Hug" Cc: "maya katz" Subject: Re: meet at Spring Heel Jack? Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:54:42 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcefa4$d1ca43a0$cfc5abcf@mohan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey Guys, Wanted to point out that Spring Heel Jack is on Thursday Nove 13th and not today!!... The SFR calendar is wrong... Mohan FTT -----Original Message----- From: Megan Hug To: viet le ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: maya katz Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 11:51 AM Subject: Re: meet at Spring Heel Jack? ok! i'm still going... where do you want to meet? and when? how about at one of the big tables- near the bar in the back of the main performance room? before the show around 8:45? 15 min before the show starts? if you've never been to bimbo's before... it's really beautiful, nice ambience, and i think there are going to be some good dj's there! if you haven't gotten a ticket... GET ONE! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 20:16:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1917 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 20:16:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 1873 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 20:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eagle.cscomputing.com) (206.86.211.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 20:16:32 -0000 Received: from PANDA by eagle.cscomputing.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id WAHSVQ5Q; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:18:35 -0800 Received: by panda with Microsoft Mail id <01BCEFC9.64860160@panda>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:16:31 -0000 Message-ID: <01BCEFC9.64860160@panda> From: Julie Hayes To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" Subject: First Rave Experience Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:16:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I know there are a lot of newbie-virginraver lurker types out there, so = I thought it would be cool to hear those that aren't so newbie tell us = about their first raving experience..........music/dj's; clothing; = people; vibe; date?; reaction. etc...... Peace and Love Julie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 20:21:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3424 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 20:21:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 3415 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 20:21:50 -0000 Received: from kzsu.stanford.edu (36.118.0.90) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 20:21:50 -0000 Received: (from parch@localhost) by kzsu.Stanford.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA01639 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:21:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Mouton Message-Id: <199711122021.MAA01639@kzsu.Stanford.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: #sfraves dinna -> viberation (40% bsp) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey everyone! Meeks has been on stealth mode for a little time, but im jumping out the woodworks to hype the croud on the #sfr dinner viberation combination. This is gonna be the first W/E in months strictly for partying SF stylee, and i wanna get hugs from all of you. Rollcall: LaraZ, Amand, amber ML Nixon, jelo/fubari/thorfio squadron,p Czczefir, radonnerz, unclenoa (long distance stylee),cheerioHN,LisaW, a ahand the list goes on! i mean EVERYONE.... somo come eat food with us then up on over to viberationn, family style! meOA meeks this thing is tripping out..hope you guys can reed these last lines m,meeks@keyscape.net for email to me personally 805.544.1426....once again..805.544.1426 and oh yeah!!! ill have mixtapes at the partee! with a fresh new Bside and a color Jcard and good chewns! peace From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 20:28:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5162 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 20:28:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 5139 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 20:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 20:28:08 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:16:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112122243.006dbe5c@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:22:43 -0800 To: viet le From: Megan Hug Subject: NRR: Re: meet at Spring Heel Jack? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, maya katz In-Reply-To: <346A0D9C.3245@slip.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19971112114600.006ca7bc@medialive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk tell ya what! doors open at 8pm... i'm going with a friend who wants to get there early anyway... i'll try my best (i say that because i'm always late! and i've got to drive all the way up from santa clara...) to get there early around 8-8:30pm... i'll get myself a table and a bloody mary! i've got short black hair... and i'll be sitting with my friend who's got long blonde hair... and male. come up and say hi! or post to list your description... and I'LL say hi! megan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 20:33:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6955 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 20:33:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 6933 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 20:32:59 -0000 Received: from lbin.com (HELO light.lbin.com) (204.30.25.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 20:32:59 -0000 Received: by light.lbin.com (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3) id ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:27:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346A124B.D7024672@lbin.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:32:11 -0800 From: Ryan PC Gibson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: meet at Spring Heel Jack? References: <01bcefa4$d1ca43a0$cfc5abcf@mohan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i was considering going - SHJ is pretty fun - but I just can't imagine what Bimbo's would be like for this kind of act/music. i only went there once for some indie rock show, and was sort of bugged out by the pseudo opulence of the place. the whole place reminded me of the ballroom/bar scenes in The Shining. when they have dj's, 'n dancing, and fun etc. do they still have a guy handing you mints and towels in the bathroom (too weird). just a yokel not used to this 'city slicker' lifestyle, ryan. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 20:42:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11398 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 20:42:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 11366 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 20:42:53 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 20:42:53 -0000 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU (2433@am.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.26]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id MAA14503 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id MAA25778; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:42:50 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Ryan Spire X-Sender: soundz@am.UCSC.EDU To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: QUEST...BSP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well...Saturday is just around the corner... In case you haven't heard, QUEST is this Saturday. Everyone is sooooo excited, and making sure that this event is the bomb! the line-up is great... Jeno Josh Tony Tracy Garth Eric Spire SOULSTICE CRAIG RUSSO Noel UFO! Mei-Lwun Brother Tom L-G The music is gonna be great...the visuals too...and the decorations will be like nothing you've ever seen before (we promise). Sooo...hope to see you all at the party. Peace, ES From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 20:48:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13175 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 20:48:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 13156 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 20:48:49 -0000 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net (207.93.14.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 20:48:49 -0000 Received: from [207.93.14.13] ([207.93.14.13] verified) by tapeheads.ednet.net (Stalker SMTP Server 1.5) with ESMTP id S.0000011035 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:48:31 -0800 X-Sender: joe@tapeheads.ednet.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:49:05 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Joe Rice Subject: (bsp) ==> Monophonic = Comfort & Quality <== Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk === Don't Believe the Hype === The bar isn't too loud, dirty or hot. 16th street isn't overrun by slummers from the Marina looking for kicks in "the Mish" Andrew Rawnsley, Perfect & Joe Rice preside over a nice local scene for nice people who like nice music and nice drinks Shameless James will be more than delighted to see you. tonight, November 11th, 'till 2am over 21, please - it's free ~~~ Liquid -- 2925 16th Street @ S. Van Ness ~~~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 20:54:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15177 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 20:54:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15168 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 20:54:47 -0000 Received: from norway-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO norway.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.49) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 20:54:47 -0000 Received: from 38.12.200.54 (ip54.san-francisco7.ca.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.200.54]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11961; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:54:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346A28DF.6BD@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:08:31 -0800 From: ~e~l~e~n~a~ Reply-To: epetzar@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fish1111@pacbell.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: happy birhday References: <3468B5CC.4BC3@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > > Happy birthday to E~L~E~N~A > > It must be really cool to be born on 11:11. > ThAnK yOu!!! i had a GrOOvY b~day! 25 isn't so bad, hee, hee ;p especially when you drink enough of my fave drink, SpAnIsH SaNgRiA! yIkEs! xoxo ~e~l~e~n~a~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 21:02:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17387 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 21:02:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 17374 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 21:02:09 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 21:02:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (andy@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA06926 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:02:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:02:13 -0800 (PST) From: AndyW X-Sender: andy@atari Reply-To: AndyW To: BSP-Soup Subject: Viberation/Sinister Tix Now Available [BSP] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk First off, REALLY sorry for the spam (this seems like a good day for BSP's, I guess). If you've heard about Sinister (11-15-97), just letting you know that tickets ($10) are now on sale at the Trance and Jungle Factory and Solid Grooves. Just got em in too (thanks Li & Mike)... That's all I had to say, but I included a full BSP on the end if you want to know more, or if you unwittingly deleted the prior ones or something. Byebye, AndyW 8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X Viberation presents Sinister 11-15-97 10pm-> micron + greg + sho + li + andyw meeks + science + flux + re ach + siphon new props + free water + other stuff $10 (visuals/sound/friendly staff included!) Presale tix available @ Trance & Jungle Factory - 2575 Telegraph Ave - Berkeley - 510-704-9876 Solid Grooves - 368 S. Bascom Ave - San Jose - 408-999-0259 Viberation Line - 408-881-0898 http://www.saturn5.com/viberation 8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X8X-X Sinister \Sin"is*ter\, a. [Accented on the middle syllable by the older poets, as Shakespeare, Milton, Dryden.] [L. sinister: cf. F. sinistre.] 1. On the left hand, or the side of the left hand; left; -- opposed to dexter, or right. ``Here on his sinister cheek.'' --Shak. and thanks again to everybody who made it to gratitude, that was a party. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 21:12:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21289 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 21:12:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 21280 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 21:12:38 -0000 Received: from mrin46.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin46.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.156) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 21:12:38 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA08690; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:36:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:36:44 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971112143643_-871845063@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: unclenoa@netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: SFRaves Snow Mania (Cabin Party IV) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I know of a place in the North Shore (Incline Village) Where there is a 3 bedroom condo with two kitchens a big living room upstairs with a fire place and community pool....I don't know if it would be the best place but I am wondering about how many pwoplw are planning to show up to something like this???????Because I actually know of a few places that are huge mansions....next door to Cher's house but it is on the lake and everyone there is so damn rich that everyone has parties there so cops are not usually called.....so how many people are we thinking here......I could probably find a great spot....just need to know what my limits are.......shankyou very much........I am ready to go boarding....right now........How about mid January instead of mid february because I cant wait that long.........I love you all <3 *MushyB! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 21:24:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24107 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 21:24:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 24097 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 21:24:11 -0000 Received: from f51.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.62) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 21:24:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 25864 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1997 21:23:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19971112212340.25863.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.114.152.173 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:23:39 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.114.152.173] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: chris@thirdage.com, CheerioHN@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: SFRAVES SNOW ADVENTURE(and snow update) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:23:39 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Whaz up! If you throw it I will come! :) This sounds like an excellent idea! Definately count me in. Have you folks set on a date yet? When you do let us know as soon as possible so us busy college kidz can fit it into our busy schedules :P See ya all at "Playground!" ************************************************************* Stay Cool! /////// /// /// /////// ////// ////// /////// /////// /// /// /// /// // /// / // /// /// // /// /// /// /// // /////\ ////// /// /// // /// /// /// /////// /// \\ // /////// /////// tm. Matthew A. Schwartz -Matt...the other one- Psychophunkadelicious Productions Presents... "Playground" Friday December 12th, 1997. Check out www.angelfire.com/ca/Psychophunk (remember the caps) For more info ************************************************************* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 21:37:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28863 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 21:37:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 28824 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 21:37:01 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 21:37:01 -0000 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) id <01IPXA262ACW934S40@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:36:53 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:36:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Doreen Subject: Re: sfraves snowboard party! To: poobear@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, HornedHalo@aol.com Message-id: <01IPXA2658GI934S40@SONOMA.EDU> X-VMS-To: SMTP%" poobear@hotmail.com" SMTP%"sfraves@hyperreal.org" SMTP%"HornedHalo@aol.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk no, make it three... i've been in snow a lot up at my grandma's, done a fair shair of sledding, but have never skiied or snowboarded. :( there is much i have i have yet to do tho. never been on a plane either... _doreen_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 23:23:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29943 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 23:23:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 29924 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 23:23:24 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 23:23:24 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA05108 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:22:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:22:51 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971112182249_1404462976@mrin39> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk YAH!! are we going to have a meeting spot?? how about 12:30 at the water booth since I *should* be working there?? ALrite.. I can't wait to see you all!! hugs, 'trice shalom. ahavah. eechood. kavod. (peace. love. unity. respect) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 23:36:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11258 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 23:36:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 11237 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 23:36:02 -0000 Received: from mrin79.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin79.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 23:36:02 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA10503; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:35:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:35:34 -0500 (EST) From: PHUNKN3@aol.com Message-ID: <971112183011_2037875340@mrin79> To: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: PHUNCKATECK 2NITE!!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, just wanted to let you know *PHUNCKATECK* is 2nite. Drum & Bass every Wednesday DJ's will include ABSTRACT, SPELL, NOEL, w/ special guest TOMO (Japan). In the back we have HIP HOP by S.C.U.B.A. SKWAD (Charlie Bucket,Beatjakr,Dolbee& Tabu) 1190 Folsom @ 8th in S.F. (Clementina alley entrance) 10pm till 3am 18+ only $5 Hope to see yall out tonite!!! Don't forget SPRING HEEL JACK TOMMOROW!! STEP 2K FRIDAY!! QUEST ON SATURDAY!! PEACE PHUNCKATECK From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 23:47:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13905 invoked by uid 6000); 12 Nov 1997 23:47:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 13895 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 23:47:10 -0000 Received: from mrin79.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin79.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 23:47:10 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA06671 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:46:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:46:40 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971112184628_86568462@mrin79> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: First Rave Experience Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ok.. yer gunna love this.... I was on SFR a good couple of months before I ever went to a party, so every preconceived notion I had of the rave scene was all from some funky ravahs at hyperreal.org. Considering the first party I went to was a horrible experience, SFRaves was the only thing that gave me enough support to give the rave scene another try. Ok.. It was Planet Rock (UGH.. I can hear the groans in the background) My mom was outta town and I had a great opportunity to sneak out. (c'mon?? i'm a teenager, ritE?) NEWays... I located a ride via Internet, so basically we hitchhiked to the party and back. I'd been at work that day, and suddenly passed out in the office after dry-heaving from stomach flu?? ( I won't go into detail, but I was pretty damn sick) I was Determined not to let this stop me from getting to a rave , because it had already been months of me not making it to parties for some reason or another, and I stuck it out. Teresa and I so carefully eluded our parents and were on our way to Home Base. I was not underdressed for the huge amount of Gangstas thet were there, but I was so impressed with the warehouse I doubt I noticed. I had somehow even managed to procure a laminate. Hm... an experienced person told me to try some trEats, so I did. COmpletely bunk... but I didn't really care about that either. I was dancing, and i don't know to who's music and I was finally there. THe vibe sucked, I saw enough fights, but I was so new to the scene it didn't piss me off. (can we say september child =) Ok... I got so sick that I fell asleep in the way-too-crowded chill room for like three to four hours. My body was not at all used to being up all nite, plus I needed to fight off the flu. When I woke up my pants had been ripped and my top was untied and I freaked out, but I had just gotten pushed around as a result of having too many people on one matteress. I remember trying to talk to people near me, and they werent' interested in saying hi at all... too preoccupied with their boyfriends and girlfriends and lotion. So I was completely out of it and dizzy and I staggered in to the main room. HUNDREDS of people pressed up the the tables right as Grandmaster Flash came on. *You can get with this or you can get with that* It in no way whatsoever fit the descriptions and reviews my sfravahs had been telling me about. SO I shrugged it off and went to another room to dance. Sometime in the morning I found Teresa and my ride... and I walked back into the almost empty main room... I looked out the doors to the loading docks and I saw the sun coming up over the collesium. IT was incredible. I'll never forget the first time I danced (sort of) all night. ANd right then.... I KNEW I was coming back. "Do you remember that time in September......." hugs, 'trice the tekno diva shalom. ahavah. eechood. kevod. (peace. love. unity. respect.) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 00:05:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19888 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 00:05:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 19782 invoked by uid 24); 13 Nov 1997 00:05:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 27226 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 19:59:47 -0000 Received: from garibaldi.ncd.com (firewall-user@192.43.160.250) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 19:59:47 -0000 Received: by garibaldi.ncd.com; id LAA05412; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnc.ncd.com(138.43.158.20) by garibaldi.ncd.com via smap (3.2) id xma004919; Wed, 12 Nov 97 11:58:58 -0800 Received: from ivanova.ncd.com (corey@ivanova.ncd.com [138.43.100.50]) by cnc.ncd.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id LAA04340 for <@cnc.ncd.com:sfraves@hyperreal.org>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:58:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from corey@localhost) by ivanova.ncd.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id LAA14103 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:57:39 -0800 From: "Corey Alambar" Message-Id: <971112115739.ZM14101@ivanova.ncd.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:57:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: SRR: Meeting up tonight? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I know some ravers are into other kinds of music - I was wondering if there was anyone out there from SFR going to the Dream Theater show at The Edge in Palo Alto tonight? Maybe we can arrange to meet up. Unless of coruse I know the only three ravers going... -Corey P.S. Please repond privately. :) -- Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right. -- Salvor Hardin, "Foundation" Incoming fire has the right of way -- Anonymous From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 00:06:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20583 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 00:06:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 20573 invoked by uid 24); 13 Nov 1997 00:06:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 17187 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 21:01:06 -0000 Received: from mole.slip.net (HELO mole) (207.171.193.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 21:01:06 -0000 Received: from sf-pm8-28-188.dialup.slip.net [207.171.196.188] by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xVjuG-0005ZZ-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:01:00 -0800 Message-ID: <346A1866.4331@slip.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:58:14 -0800 From: viet le X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Megan Hug CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org, maya katz Subject: Re: NRR: Re: meet at Spring Heel Jack? References: <3.0.1.32.19971112114600.006ca7bc@medialive.com> <3.0.1.32.19971112122243.006dbe5c@medialive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Megan Hug wrote: > > tell ya what! > doors open at 8pm... i'm going with a friend who wants to get there early > anyway... i'll try my best (i say that because i'm always late! and i've > got to drive all the way up from santa clara...) to get there early around > 8-8:30pm... i'll get myself a table and a bloody mary! i've got short black > hair... and i'll be sitting with my friend who's got long blonde hair... > and male. > come up and say hi! > or post to list your description... and I'LL say hi! > megan Cool! I will be in the front of the stage for the show, but I'll stop by to say hi, maybe get a drink. I am asian male, will probably wear my baby blue jacket and black adidas (the only shoes I have!). So if anyone sees me stop me and say hi. So, all you SFRavers got that?! Anyone whos going to the Spring Heel jack show, Megan will be at a table in the back with a bloody mary in her hand. See ya. -Viet From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 00:07:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21216 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 00:07:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 21196 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 00:07:27 -0000 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net (207.93.14.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 00:07:27 -0000 Received: from [207.93.14.13] ([207.93.14.13] verified) by tapeheads.ednet.net (Stalker SMTP Server 1.5) with ESMTP id S.0000011103; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:07:09 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:07:43 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Joe Rice Subject: (bsp) the kitchen sink Cc: dhchung@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk the kitchen sink Thursday, November 13, 1997 DJs this week: Honey B (jungle love) James (tweekin' records) Monty (resident) Location: downstairs at Blake's 2367 Telegraph @ Durant - Berkeley Dirt: 9:30p-2:00a - 18+ w/ID - full bar - $2.00 before 10p, $4.00 after. RealAudio of past sets and more info on our web site: http://www.justiceleague.com/ks/ Up now are sets from Kit Clayton, Sho, d84, and myself. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 00:09:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22520 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 00:09:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 22494 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 00:09:40 -0000 Received: from m13.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.193) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 00:09:40 -0000 Received: (from edleech@juno.com) by m13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RJH25226; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:35:59 EST To: m.mukerji@lancaster.ac.uk, louise.peers@unilever.com, Jagshinder.sahota@unilever.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, d.southwell@lancaster.ac.uk, Uhles@psych.ucsb.edu, karid@sfsu.edu, byroni@ccnet.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:33:30 -0800 Subject: VERY IMP. to me at least Message-ID: <19971112.143330.9774.2.edleech@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6,11-14,16-18,22-23,31-34 From: edleech@juno.com (Ed Leech) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello and peace be with you. Ok everyone the time has come to explain everything. I'm English y'see and after spending 10 months, near enough, here I've decided I want to stay. I was/ am an Au pair or live in nanny but I don't want to do it forever. I spoke to a lawyer about becoming a legal worker.( I'm not supposed to be working and I should have left the country on july the 4th (Ha!) although I do have a 10 yr visitors visa) The lawyer said I should leave the country cuz although I've overstayed my welcome if I go home I'll be ok But If I stay more than 6 months longer than the six I originally had ( I came in Jan) and go home,I will be stopped if I try to come back within 3 yrs. My options for staying are : 1: get married 2: get a job in the same field as my degree (biology/phys) at least 45 days before jan 5th It being nov 12th does not leave much time. 3: stay here illegally indefinitely but with job options being restricted to cash under the table, no car, never being able to go home and come back and constantly stressing about being caught and sent home without warning. Needless to say 3 is not my preferred choice especially after the car crash I was in on saturday last. So unless preferably 2 happens (1 taken into consideration) I will be leaving this fare land of milk, honey and weekly raving. (some time before january) for sad, dreary, friendless, Manchester where my ma and pa live for as long as it takes to get a firm job offer from a Bay Area company so I can return to rave at my leisure with my best mates in a house of my own and a social security # to call my own. Offers of work,marriage and advice are all welcome so long as your quick. Love English Ed. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 00:33:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28991 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 00:33:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 28980 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 00:33:07 -0000 Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 00:33:07 -0000 Received: (from jasonelee@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SsG16234; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:53:33 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:51:41 -0800 Subject: This maybe interesting, but maybe not.. Message-ID: <19971112.155143.5919.0.jasonelee@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-4,6-7,11-16,18-23 From: jasonelee@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On December the 19th, Somewhere in Los Angeles there will be an event like no other and event that will warm the heart and cool the soul, an event so festive it just might be worth the short trip. On December 19th........... prepare to be chilled or thrilled at Winter Fresh. An event with 10 Dj's (including myself), in a bran stankin new ICE/Roller Skate Arena with 2 massive area's pounding out all the thrill chill tunes. One ice arena for all those Ice Capaders, and one Roller arena who would rather roll around to the sound. for more information visit.... www.djmike.com/promomag visit the Events area... or check out the site and let me know what you think. Peace and Love to you all.... Jason jasonelee@juno.com www.djmike.com/promomag From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 00:47:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2566 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 00:47:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 2555 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 00:47:11 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 00:47:11 -0000 Received: from katiez.vip.best.com (srf-126.nbn.com [199.4.64.126]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id QAA00509; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:44:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346A4DA9.3880285B@best.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:45:29 -0800 From: Katie Zitterbart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Layne Loomis CC: Megan Hug , SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19971112181911.17716.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------61EDCF3DED82BB4BFAAB6017" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk --------------61EDCF3DED82BB4BFAAB6017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The mind really is a terrible thing to waste. That's why routine is an integral part of dance. No - not routine like "one step to the right, turn turn turn" - Routines like these: G [the he] generally goes thusly: - goto party - hideaway Lighningexpress bag - walkaround and say some fast hellos - get waterbottle small enough for back right pocket: left if wallet is somewhere else - goto stage left - kinda in front of the crowd and grove , but if you're right in front of a speaker carefully hiding the stealth fan: even better - get dragged away at dawn Great guy - very unique, but not alot of surprises in the dance dept that anyone other than his inner self knows.... many surprises in others, of course. < just flirting with the ex - not a psycho or anything, geez!> i'm a little more social, but generally the same - goto party - hideawayYahoo! bag - find new people - check in with ma geek/dj genus artist freaky fantastic friends - my own cocktail hour. - the social hour ends at midnight - easy to remember - big gords and Disney - get big-ass waterbottle and park it in front of stage left speaker right up front - pretend the spice girls have real boobs - dance/smile/move//think/trance/move change my shirt several times - curse my stupid choice for fashion over function, because I know better than to wear spandex and latex - it's cotton that breathes. file away for next time - what was i going to remember about this shirt? - do this for no less than six hours DODJ[depending on DJs] and location. - will have to drag friends away at dawn IF TRANCE/GOA/HEAVY JUNGLE, then - will most likely get dragged out by friends - "don't forget goolie, erik.". best thing to think about when you are dancing? Is it better than sex? oh, come on - you all know as well as I do that a good solid five hours just doesn't happen horizontally, and if you are nineteen - well, then my hats' off to you. Endorphans released for so specific a somatic event are different than just feelin' great. When you're dancing and have your routine down [don't forget your warm layer and camel back for outdoors], or if you're one of those people who can really just let go without a safety net, you *do* get these symptoms, do you not? shortness of breath, want water, feel all sticky but it's ok - never knew your leg would go that high, did ya? Where's that clean towel? Do I call tomorrow? Sleep is soooooooo great, and you just want to do it again and again and again with people you love and who treat you right. Now get back to work, slackers! and get yer mind out of the gutter! Katie 'but really, i'm just trying to solve infinity' Z --------------61EDCF3DED82BB4BFAAB6017 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The mind really is a terrible thing to waste.  That's why routine is an integral part of dance.  No - not routine like "one step to the right, turn turn turn" - Routines like these:

G [the he] generally goes thusly:
- goto party
- hideaway Lighningexpress bag
-  walkaround and say some fast hellos
-  get waterbottle small enough for back right pocket: left if wallet is somewhere else
-  goto stage left - kinda in front of the crowd and grove , but  if you're right in front of a speaker carefully hiding the stealth fan: even better
-  get dragged away at dawn
Great guy - very unique, but not alot of surprises in the dance dept that anyone other than his inner self knows.... many surprises in others, of course. < just  flirting with the ex - not a psycho or anything, geez!>

i'm a little more social, but generally the same
-  goto party
-  hideawayYahoo! bag
-  find new people - check in with ma geek/dj genus artist freaky fantastic friends -   my own cocktail hour.
- the social hour ends at midnight - easy to remember - big gords and Disney  
-  get big-ass waterbottle and park it in front of stage left speaker right up front
- pretend the spice girls have real boobs <oops - gotta turn off the television>
- dance/smile/move//think/trance/move change my shirt several times
- curse my stupid choice for fashion over function, because I know better than to wear spandex and latex - it's cotton that breathes.  file away for next time - what was i going to remember about this shirt?
- do this for no less than six hours DODJ[depending on DJs] and location.

<conditionl>
- will have to drag friends away at dawn
IF TRANCE/GOA/HEAVY JUNGLE, then
- will most likely get dragged out by friends
</condition>

- "don't forget goolie, erik.".

best thing  to think about when you are dancing?  Is it better than sex?  oh, come on - you all know as well as I do that a good solid five hours just doesn't happen horizontally, and if you are nineteen - well, then my hats' off to you.  Endorphans released for so specific a somatic event are different than just feelin' great.

When you're dancing and have your routine down [don't forget your warm layer and camel back for outdoors], or if you're one of those people who can really just let go without a safety net,  you *do* get these symptoms, do you not?  shortness of breath, want water, feel all sticky but it's ok - never knew your leg would go that high, did ya? Where's that clean towel?  Do I call tomorrow? Sleep is soooooooo great, and you just want to do it again and again and again with people you love and who treat you right.

Now get back to work, slackers!  <kitty-snarl>  and get yer mind out of the gutter!

Katie 'but really, i'm just trying to solve infinity' Z --------------61EDCF3DED82BB4BFAAB6017-- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 01:31:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12486 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 01:31:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 12478 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 01:31:35 -0000 Received: from f15.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.26) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 01:31:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 29520 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1997 01:31:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113013108.29519.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.59.148.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:31:07 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.59.148.6] From: "denise castillo" To: lucke@rocketmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:31:07 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk when i'm dancing i think about how that particular song makez me feel... what kind uv emotionz it evokez in me... i lose myself in the beat and it takez me 2 a place where i can just be... i take a journey into my own soul and discover new thingz about myself... each experience iz different n'ever changing... it'z b-u-tiful!!!! :) luv'n'hugzzz.... dEnisE From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 01:55:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15520 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 01:55:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 15510 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 01:55:26 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 01:55:26 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12715; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:39:32 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971112173645.0073c44c@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:36:53 -0800 To: Julie Hayes , "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" From: josh sorkin Subject: Re: First Rave Experience Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk 1-96: "situation critical" my first rave. while sitting around at a coffeehouse in Sherman Oaks with nothing to do, i strike up a conversation with a chap wearing extremely large pants. i get directions to a map point from him in exchange for a modest donation to his ticket fund. map point in a record store somewhere in los angeles proper. it takes me forever to get there and i get lost twice at least. i notice that all the kids in line are wearing all that Fresh Jive type stuff that i thought only skaters and gangstas wore. i feel out of place in my black on black industrial wear with steeltoe boots. while waiting in a really long line outside this hole-in-the-wall shop, i hear that some dj named ron d. core will be spinning. everybody seems to be really excited about the presence of this guy at the party. somebody with a tall Dr. Seuss hat gets tickets for a bunch of us in line. i hear it sold out about a half an hour later. arrive at this warehouse about 11:30. while waiting in line to get into warehouse, entertain people with fairy tales of wild portland parties because i don't want to seem out of place or "uncool" because i want to befriend a bunch of "dangerous raver types." inside, lots of loud techno, a sound i've never really heard before. i smell the perfume of a rave (candy, sweat, and a little bit of pot) for the first time. blacklights, fluorescence, people fucking the speakers, mixtapes and herbal X for sale at various tables, stoned people playing video games, water bottles littering the floor. go-go girls dancing on big boxes, some live techno act in the 2nd room (i think it was Dimension 23), DJ in a big UFO type thing in the main room. i dance a bit, get tired real fast, sit down and watch people dance with wide eyes (people ask me if i’m tripping and having fun, i say yes). fall asleep. go home at about 2:30 or 3 with my life changed. ------------------------------- "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 02:14:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18746 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 02:14:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 18737 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 02:14:15 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 02:14:15 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VcY21439; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:06:47 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:53:34 -0800 Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance Message-ID: <19971111.001422.8078.11.drek1@juno.com> References: <19971112161902.2358.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,12-18,20-33 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Whenever I dance, I just think about how great it is to have the feeling to dance however I want and nobody around me (so long as they're true ravers) will give a shit what I do. That's what attracts me the most. To be able to dance and not regret it. Can you find that in a club? Not last time I checked. Yeah, so N E Ways, I just think about life in general and how I can go about making it better for myself and what-not. It's like a totally body/mind cleansing thing for me. Depending how stressed out I was, is a result of how long I'll dance for. Ya'll should have seen me at Superlove back in April over at Cyborganic. So much dancing that I fucking blistered both of my feet big time. It was worth the pain the next day though. Needless to say at that point in my life I was very stressed. Well, it was nice talking with all of you. L8 dErEk On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:19:02 -0800 (PST) Layne Loomis writes: >Nothing - I don't think of anything and thats the >beauty of it all. I just loose myself in the music >and let the beat move my feet 8) I think too many >people >are worried about what they look like or how they are >perceived by others. Don't think about what your doing >just dance. > > >luckE >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 02:14:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19285 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 02:14:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 19277 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 02:14:38 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 02:14:38 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VdB21439; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:06:47 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:09:23 -0800 Subject: Re: First Rave Experience Message-ID: <19971111.001422.8078.14.drek1@juno.com> References: <01BCEFC9.64860160@panda> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,17-18,22,24-34 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well, here's how it all began for me. I first became interested in techno back in '95 while I spent many hours listening to the radio in a german hospital. When I got back home, my friends and I became obsessed about techno music. In January of '96, we had gone to a party titled "Full Circle". Any 1 out there who knows about that party? N E Ways, it was supposed to be in a warehouse in the city but it was relocated to some closed down bank in a shitty ass suburb known as Livermore. Seeing as none of us have ever been to a party, it was no big deal when we saw how tiny the venue was with Carlos, Simon, Spun, Tony, and a couple of others were spinning there. Had we known then what I know now, it would have been awesome. It was kinda of funny because I had this idea that the scene would be something like that from the old days of '92 since a lot of the techno like T-99, old skewl Prodigy, etc. were the things being listened to the most by me and my friends. In fact, I was hoping I would have heard "Anastasia" by T-99 but there would be no DJ who would play a track that old. At least I was all decked out in my alien gear. Oddly enough, we left at 1:30 in the morning because we were bored as fuck. I didn't go to any other parties till "The Love Parade" later that summer in Germany. Then the rave the initiated me as a full fledge raver was Planet New Year. Since then, I've been almost unstoppable. On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:16:28 -0000 Julie Hayes writes: >I know there are a lot of newbie-virginraver lurker types out there, >so = >I thought it would be cool to hear those that aren't so newbie tell us >= >about their first raving experience..........music/dj's; clothing; = >people; vibe; date?; reaction. etc...... > >Peace and Love >Julie > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 02:20:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20460 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 02:20:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 20451 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 02:20:12 -0000 Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.125) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 02:20:12 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id SAA02476; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:20:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: What I think about when I'm dancing... To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Here's some samples of actual thoughts I've had while dancing at raves: "Is this guy going spin any breakbeat or what?" :D "Why hasn't this E kicked in yet?" "Did a big lizard just run by here? I coulda sworn I just saw a big lizard..." "What do you mean I'm on in five minutes?" "How am I going to get my car out of the desert and back to Orange County?" "What's that helicopter doing here?" "Whos hand is that?" "I spent $20 on _this_?!?" "Man, this E shoulda kicked in by... oh no... here we go..." :D "You know, sparkling water and Gummi Savers really are good together!" "How is it that I don't have this record?" "Boomerang what?" :D From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 02:53:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27587 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 02:53:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 27576 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 02:53:33 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 02:53:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113024805.15572.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [152.163.213.115] by web1; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:48:05 PST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:48:05 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: First Rave Experience To: julie@cscomputing.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk My 1st rave was new yrs eve 1996/97... i went to Cloud factory new yrs party here in monterey. I had wanted to go for sumtime, but there always seemed to be a excuse why i couldnt go... on this time there was nothing i could do about it...i wore nikes...jeans...a grey shirt... which i ripped when it got caught in my belt that night...i felt kinda plain though...so i went over to my friends house where everyone was getting ready... they were all putting make-up on.. and stickers... i decided what tha hell.. they put stickers... two blue hearts to be exact...under my eyes... and blue eye liner... i thought thats what you r suppose to do... everyone else was...tha music was great though i really wasn't sure who was spinning... and to this day .. i'm still not sure...even though i've become friends with the cfc...i really didnt know how to dance to tha music... i just kinda moved to it... i remember i was kissed twice that night ....and i wasn't on E.... i think they were =)....hee hee.....i also remember i had to get tha car home early.. my dad was going to be going somewhere.. early...well that was last new yrs... and since then i've been to 28 raves... thats sum 2.8 a month...and this weekend i'll be at 2 more...wonder....and sinister... so i hpe to see you there...love jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---Julie Hayes wrote: > > I know there are a lot of newbie-virginraver lurker types out there, so I thought it would be cool to hear those that aren't so newbie tell us about their first raving experience..........music/dj's; clothing; people; vibe; date?; reaction. etc...... > > Peace and Love > Julie > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 03:14:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1842 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 03:14:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 1834 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 03:14:53 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 03:14:53 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21561 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:14:00 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n4-104.napanet.net [157.22.193.104]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA14116 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:11:15 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971112191104.006b216c@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:11:04 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi Butterfield Subject: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I went down to Haight today and bought a ticket. I still have no clue as to where it will be though! I don't get it...why hasn't anyone said? Well, I'd like to know because it would be nice to make it. Would anyone please say?? Thanks. IN ADVANCE!!! > >wonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwon derwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderw onderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonde rwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwon derwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderw onderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonde rwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwon derwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderw onderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonde rwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwon derwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderw onderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonderwonder >if there is anything to do on Friday, November 14 ::::::::::::::::: >*****************************408*538*5600***************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 03:38:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8475 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 03:38:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 8467 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 03:38:08 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 03:38:08 -0000 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU (5388@am.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.26]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id TAA26539 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id TAA25620; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:38:05 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:38:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Schiller Serviss X-Sender: yankee@am.UCSC.EDU To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: High EverybodE! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk High! I'm another new one to the list. I've been raving for almost a year, and it gets better every weekend. My friends call me Jonny Cutums, but if we ever meet eachother, you can just call me Cutums. I really joined the list because I want to be able to find out everything that goes on every weekend. Plus, I've heard that there are a lot of really cool people on the list :). Hopefully the list is as PLURified as I have heard. Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect! Happy Orbit, Jonny Cutums From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 04:35:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18709 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 04:35:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 18701 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 04:35:29 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 04:35:29 -0000 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU (5388@ese.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.43]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id UAA02190 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id UAA02776; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:35:26 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Schiller Serviss X-Sender: yankee@ese.UCSC.EDU To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: What's up for the weekend? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Anybody hear of any good parties in the BAy Area this weekend? We are here in Santa Cruz and desperately looking for some slamming party this weekend, considering that Santa Cruz is a dead city like 90 percent of the time. If anyone has some good suggestions, please let me know. I kind of want to take my little brother, who's up from L.A., to a raging house party to show him how Northern California parties have such a positive vibe as compared to SoCal parties. Well, thanks for the input everybody!! Jonny Cutems From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 04:53:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22867 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 04:53:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 22858 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 04:53:50 -0000 Received: from f58.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.144) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 04:53:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 4876 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1997 04:53:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113045322.4875.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:53:22 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: VERY IMP. to me at least Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:53:22 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk "Manchester, England, England, across the Atlantic sea, cuz I'm a genious, genious, and I believe that God believes in Claude that's that's me, that's me"-Hair I think that would be your best option, better safe than sorry :) We'll miss ya, Danny >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 12 16:09:49 1997 >Received: (qmail 22520 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 00:09:43 -0000 >Received: (qmail 22494 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 00:09:40 -0000 >Received: from m13.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.193) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 00:09:40 -0000 >Received: (from edleech@juno.com) > by m13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RJH25226; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:35:59 EST >To: m.mukerji@lancaster.ac.uk, louise.peers@unilever.com, > Jagshinder.sahota@unilever.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, > d.southwell@lancaster.ac.uk, Uhles@psych.ucsb.edu, karid@sfsu.edu, > byroni@ccnet.com >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:33:30 -0800 >Subject: VERY IMP. to me at least >Message-ID: <19971112.143330.9774.2.edleech@juno.com> >X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 >X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6,11-14,16-18,22-23,31-34 >From: edleech@juno.com (Ed Leech) >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >Hello and peace be with you. >Ok everyone the time has come to explain everything. >I'm English y'see and after spending 10 months, near enough, here I've >decided I want to stay. I was/ am an Au pair or live in nanny but I don't >want to do it forever. I spoke to a lawyer about becoming a legal >worker.( I'm not supposed to be working and I should have left the >country on july the 4th (Ha!) although I do have a 10 yr visitors visa) >The lawyer said I should leave the country cuz although I've overstayed >my welcome if I go home I'll be ok But If I stay more than 6 months >longer than the six I originally had ( I came in Jan) and go home,I will >be stopped if I try to come back within 3 yrs. My options for staying >are : > >1: get married > >2: get a job in the same field as my degree (biology/phys) at least 45 >days before jan >5th It being nov 12th does not leave much time. > >3: stay here illegally indefinitely but with job options being restricted >to cash under the table, no car, never being able to go home and come >back and constantly stressing about being caught and sent home without >warning. > >Needless to say 3 is not my preferred choice especially after the car >crash I was in on saturday last. So unless preferably 2 happens (1 taken >into consideration) I will be leaving this fare land of milk, honey and >weekly raving. (some time before january) for sad, dreary, friendless, >Manchester where my ma and pa live for as long as it takes to get a firm >job offer from a Bay Area company so I can return to rave at my leisure >with my best mates in a house of my own and a social security # to call >my own. >Offers of work,marriage and advice are all welcome so long as your quick. >Love >English Ed. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 05:08:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26540 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 05:07:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 26531 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 05:07:56 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 05:07:56 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id VAA05177 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:08:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from bret by cats-po-1 (8.8.8/4.8) id VAA09095; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:07:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346A8B2B.7C79@cats.ucsc.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:07:55 -0800 From: Bret Veach Reply-To: bmveach@cats.ucsc.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: your mixtapes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Anyone who feels the need to give away mixtapes should just send them my way:) Always need more!! It's a pitty they're so pricey in stores. If anyone in Santa Cruz area wants to start a little tape trading network for getting new tunes I'm down. I have some good stuff from lesser known DJs on the east coast as well as a lot of stuff from here. email me if interested. goodnight, Bret Customer Service wrote: > > how do you get rid of them... > > give free to all? > give free to promoters, sell to everyone else? > free to the cuties? > sell to your homies? > > how much do you sell for, when it's not done through a store? > > I just want to get a broad spectrum of what different people are doing. > For a CNN story. > > thanks for your help. > > b > o > o > m > e f i d g e t > r > a > n > g H > ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr > ARETH > EFACTSYO > UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- > > \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// > "...the end of all our exploring > will be to arrive where we started > and know the place for the first time." > - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 05:24:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29576 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 05:23:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 29568 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 05:23:57 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 05:23:57 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11533; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:33:31 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jsl-thz@v-site.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCEFC9.64860160@panda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:25:06 -0800 To: Julie Hayes From: Megan Haggerty Subject: Re: First Rave Experience Cc: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm from San Diego, was up in the bay area going to school and all of a sudden all my friends back in SD started talking about raving and listen to techno music. (This must have been back in... hmmm.. let's see... '93) They had been intorducted to it by some friends and couldn't get enough. I had heard techno before and it had never really done much for me so I didn't get all the hoop-la. So there I was, back in So Cal for the summer, and the friends get me in the car and on my way to my first rave. I can't remember the name of it. I wasn't really concerned with that at the time. I do remember the long ass drive out into the desert. (This is a very So Cal thing - Desert Parties!!!) We drove for hours (3+) and finally reached our destination. I was totally blown away by the number of people that were there. Tons of people dancing out on a big, flat, dusty plane. I couldn't see very well 'casue it was totally dark, except in the dance floor area. I distinctly remember the laser show. The lights reflected off of the dust above the dance floor and created a ceiling of light. It was beautiful. I spent hours dancing and reaching for those lights. And then the best part of desert parties came - The Morning! Ths sun rose and within a matter of minutes I went from frezing my ass off to sweating bullets! Everybody's sweatshirts come off and the deep house beats started slammin'. It was great to finally be able to see everyone's faces! I found all my frineds and we went for a walk. We found a big ass boulder, climbed up on top and smoked a fatty. Now that's livin', I tell ya! We drove the long drive home. I spent most of that day groovin' to the beats that were still pumpin' in my head. I understood all the hoop-la! Megan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 05:42:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3092 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 05:42:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 3063 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 05:41:59 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 05:41:59 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp86.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.86]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id WAA29417 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:37:03 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: Subject: moving to sf and need advice? also: new years? Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:35:32 -0800 Message-ID: <01bceff5$f58e4920$5656dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey =) my name is kim. i am currently in seattle, but my dream-which- will-manifest is to live in san francisco. i went there for the first time in april and fell in love. i was wondering if any of you guys could give me suggestions on the following.... 1) good colleges to transfer to (i plan on majoring in computer science) 2) cheaper places to live that are still within an hour of s.f. 3) random stuff (places not to live, etc) also i know it's kind of early, but i want to come to SF for new years...is anything going on that you guys know about already? love+groovin kim .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/ if they give you ruled paper, write the other way! http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 06:33:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11631 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 06:33:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 11607 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 06:33:00 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 06:33:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA31539; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:33:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:33:20 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: Noah Apodaca cc: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Subject: Re: What I think about when I'm dancing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hehehehehe :) how about... "AWW FUCK YEAH.... AWW.. .FUCK YEAH.... AWW FUCK YEAAAH!! !YYEEAEAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEAAAAAAAHHH!!! FFUUUCCKKIIIN N YEEAAAAAHH!!!!!! ASSS I ROLLLLLL LOOOOOSEEEEE!!!! AWWWWW FUCK YEAH!" :) On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Noah Apodaca wrote: > > Here's some samples of actual thoughts I've had while dancing at raves: > > "Is this guy going spin any breakbeat or what?" :D > "Why hasn't this E kicked in yet?" > "Did a big lizard just run by here? I coulda sworn I just saw a big > lizard..." > "What do you mean I'm on in five minutes?" > "How am I going to get my car out of the desert and back to Orange County?" > "What's that helicopter doing here?" > "Whos hand is that?" > "I spent $20 on _this_?!?" > "Man, this E shoulda kicked in by... oh no... here we go..." :D > "You know, sparkling water and Gummi Savers really are good together!" > "How is it that I don't have this record?" > "Boomerang what?" > > :D > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 06:41:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13172 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 06:41:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 13153 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 06:41:38 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 06:41:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA31726; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:42:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:42:17 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: moving to sf and need advice? also: new years? In-Reply-To: <01bceff5$f58e4920$5656dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk all i know about new year's in SF is that it was DISASTAROUS last year. i plan to spend mine in chicago (anyone know of any parties out that way?) or if my plans fall through, i'm not even gonna waste my energy trying to go to a party in SF. i'll babysit 900 kids or something and make hella bucks (hey, who can find a babysitter for NYE? everyone's out partying!) for a bomb party that WON'T get busted. try living in the south bay. wait. no. it sucks down here. j/k ;) go to san francisco state university. or hell, try UC Berkeley -- it's not in SF but it's pretty damn close, and hey it's cheaper to live in the east bay! :) good luck.. lara On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, .oOo.oOo.oOo. wrote: > hey =) my name is kim. i am currently in seattle, but my dream-which- > will-manifest is to live in san francisco. i went there for the first time > in april and fell in love. > > i was wondering if any of you guys could give me suggestions on the > following.... > > 1) good colleges to transfer to (i plan on majoring in computer science) > 2) cheaper places to live that are still within an hour of s.f. > 3) random stuff (places not to live, etc) > > also i know it's kind of early, but i want to come to SF for new years...is > anything going on that you guys know about already? > > love+groovin > > kim > .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. > the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone > the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the > groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. > http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/ > if they give you ruled paper, write the other way! > http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave > Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! > .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 06:48:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14257 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 06:48:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 14248 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 06:48:40 -0000 Received: from f102.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.221) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 06:48:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 18742 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1997 06:47:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113064755.18741.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.29 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:47:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.29] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, poobear@hotmail.com Subject: Re: sfraves snowboard party! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:47:54 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yeah....i went snowboarding once and had a bad experience.. i also ended my skateboarding carrer with a terrible break in3 places on my femur.... ouch ! N-E-wayz... (thanks to UCLA med cntr) I can break dance :) but im kinda hesitante to try boarding again.. but i DO want to go to this thing... I love tahoe.... ill save my ciznash.. and i just got a job toooo :) tech-support mother.com.... ok..enough waste of your time :) peace Philip disordr@mother.com disordr p.s. see all you at Wonder...... Meeting place anyone??? lates > >I know that area like my buttinzkee, Half of my family lives up there, >but I think that it would be more fun to go to Tahoe, it'll be worth the >hike. Will someone be willing to teach my clumsy ass how to snowboard? >Please, I feel like I'm the only one on the planet who's never done it >:( Also, how much are ticket thingies, rental, etc? >And do they rent out >Slinkys? >o > o > o o0 o0 > 0 O o > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 07:03:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18141 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 07:03:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 18131 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 07:03:13 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 07:03:13 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id C]N15640; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:03:03 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? Message-ID: <19971112.230505.2839.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> References: <971112140739_561085371@mrin44.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-26 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:03:03 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:07:40 -0500 (EST) Natasha426@aol.com writes: > >In a message dated 11/12/97 11:20:34 AM, you wrote: > ><(boomerang) >and collapse back into itself, and become Nothing. >And so when I dance, I think >I am Nothing. >I am Everything. >>> > >So one day will you eventually cancel yourself out and >become an empty set? > >:) natasha > And then you attract infinity to fill this emptiness or at least someone full of possibilities. or maybe you just go thru the void of a black hole and become a white whole. > <"fish>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 07:15:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19690 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 07:15:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 19682 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 07:15:28 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 07:15:28 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA25102; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:09:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971112230711.0073e03c@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:07:19 -0800 To: "lara at vibe.org" , ".oOo.oOo.oOo." From: josh sorkin Subject: Re: moving to sf and need advice? also: new years? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk new year's... well, you know anything big is gonna get busted...better to just DIY...like maybe get together with some friends and just drink 'til the sun comes up :) something i like to do is gather a couple people who are quiet, stoned, or both, and watch _2001: A Space Odyssey_ starting at about 9pm or so--that way the movie ends right as the new year begins...truly a cosmic start for the year. college... UC Berkeley has either the 3rd or 2nd best computer science program in the country. not only that, but we have co-op housing (of which i'm a proud member) that goes for about $300 a month, food and utilities included. i think you have to be a student for that. so there i go, BSPing my school... ------------------------------------ "white room. sun room. shadow room. night transmitting cars across the room. these things sent to dance across the room. eye watching from your bed. returning to you." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 07:21:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22589 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 07:21:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 22580 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 07:21:25 -0000 Received: from f49.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.60) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 07:21:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 3141 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1997 07:20:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113072058.3140.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.29 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:20:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.29] From: "Break Dancer" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org, TeKnODiVa@aol.com Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:20:57 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk 12:30.. ok ill try and be there :).. i think Baby Huey is gonna be there after you .. so we ( or I) can meet him :) peace Philly disordr > >YAH!! are we going to have a meeting spot?? how about 12:30 at the water >booth since I *should* be working there?? ALrite.. I can't wait to see you >all!! > > hugs, > 'trice > > shalom. ahavah. eechood. kavod. > (peace. love. unity. respect) > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 07:24:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23552 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 07:24:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 23544 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA26040; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:20:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971112231727.0073e1a0@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:17:36 -0800 To: Jonathan Schiller Serviss , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: decline and fall of SoCal? (was Re: What's up for the weekend?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 08:35 PM 11/12/97 -0800, Jonathan Schiller Serviss wrote: >party to show him how Northern California parties have such a positive >vibe as compared to SoCal parties. i have heard the most disturbing things about southern california lately--off this list, from a friend of mine who parties down there all the time, and other assorted rumor mills... i was there for the summer and it didn't seem so bad. less of a family vibe, and some fallout from Circa (what with the lack of good venues and frequent busts), but not a place i'd actively seek to escape! but now i hear about NY style dominance of fashion, the death of candyraving, swiftly shrinking flyers, and more drug-related mishaps than you can shake a stick at... has the glitter playland of my September Kid days truly rusted away? :( ----------------------- "sweet in winter. sweet in rain. shake well before use. she said 'you'll never touch me anymore this way.'" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 07:25:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24105 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 07:25:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 24096 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 07:25:39 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 07:25:39 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-62.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.62]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id XAA19385 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:25:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346AAC13.39C4@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:28:19 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: moving to sf and need advice? also: new years? References: <3.0.32.19971112230711.0073e03c@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk josh sorkin wrote: > > new year's... > > well, you know anything big is gonna get busted...better to just DIY...like > maybe get together with some friends and just drink 'til the sun comes up > :) something i like to do is gather a couple people who are quiet, stoned, > or both, and watch _2001: A Space Odyssey_ starting at about 9pm or > so--that way the movie ends right as the new year begins...truly a cosmic > start for the year. It might be fun to make a raver video version of this movie. We could get a bunch of finacial district people to discover a huge black monolith/speaker...when they touch it it starts playing techno and they rip off their clothes and smear themselves with glitter and begin dancing in the streets. then in the year 2001 a HUGE glowstick is discoverd on the moon we go to investigate and as the sun rises.... > 11:11 <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 07:46:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27148 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 07:46:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 27140 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 07:46:06 -0000 Received: from f2.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.13) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 07:46:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 14611 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1997 07:45:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113074538.14610.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.212.135.29 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:45:38 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.212.135.29] From: "Break Dancer" To: yankee@cats.ucsc.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.org, case@uclink4.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: decline and fall of SoCal? (was Re: What's up for the weekend?) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:45:38 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was in La all summer too .. I thought the vibe was delicious =P yummi... seemed like Lots more candy down there--yummi..... but that shall change at wonder on friday ;) peace Philly disordr >>party to show him how Northern California parties have such a positive >>vibe as compared to SoCal parties. > >i have heard the most disturbing things about southern california >lately--off this list, from a friend of mine who parties down there all the >time, and other assorted rumor mills... > >i was there for the summer and it didn't seem so bad. less of a family >vibe, and some fallout from Circa (what with the lack of good venues and >frequent busts), but not a place i'd actively seek to escape! > >but now i hear about NY style dominance of fashion, the death of >candyraving, swiftly shrinking flyers, and more drug-related mishaps than >you can shake a stick at... > >has the glitter playland of my September Kid days truly rusted away? >:( >----------------------- >"sweet in winter. sweet in rain. shake well before use. she said 'you'll >never touch me anymore this way.'" > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 08:18:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 899 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 08:18:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 890 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 08:18:46 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 08:18:46 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp94.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.94]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id BAA31588; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:13:42 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: "Jonathan Schiller Serviss" , , "josh sorkin" Subject: flyers was: Re: decline and fall of SoCal? (was Re: What's up for the weekend?) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:12:09 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf00b$d6babcc0$5656dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: josh sorkin >At 08:35 PM 11/12/97 -0800, Jonathan Schiller Serviss wrote: > >>party to show him how Northern California parties have such a positive >>vibe as compared to SoCal parties. > >i have heard the most disturbing things about southern california >lately-- >but now i hear about NY style dominance of fashion, the death of >candyraving, swiftly shrinking flyers, and more drug-related mishaps than >you can shake a stick at... what's so bad about shrinking flyers? those flyers are never printed on recycled paper and although i have never been to LA, i have seen their flyers, it looks like a months' worth of flyers could easily wall paper my room....what a waste of trees! love kim .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) if they give you ruled paper, write the other way! http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 08:42:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4196 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 08:42:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 4187 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 08:42:17 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 08:42:17 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07124 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:41:25 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n1-30.napanet.net [157.22.193.30]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA28499 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:38:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971112202512.00686af8@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:25:12 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi Butterfield Subject: Nrr: Any napa people here? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey just wondering...since I live in Napa and there's many many people on this list, if there is anyone other than me that live here. It would be nice to know, then I could make a new friend. Please speak up! (also, I have to leave Wonder early, like at 12:30, because my mother can't deal with driving home so late, I can't leave my first rave EARLY!!) .Get rid of that, Goddamn machine - PJ Harvey. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 08:55:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5933 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 08:55:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 5925 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 08:55:15 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 08:55:15 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07837 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:54:23 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n1-30.napanet.net [157.22.193.30]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA31352 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:51:37 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971113005203.006b4d8c@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:52:03 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi Butterfield Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >>From bin Wed Nov 12 20:54:40 1997 >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:52:33 -0800 (PST) >From: jeremy bispo >Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow >To: Levi Butterfield > > >tha party is in sf... > > > Yes, YES. I know it is in S.F. is it some kind of huge secret or something?? Whenever I ask anyone, they just say "it's somewhere in Sanfransisco, I don't know" am I just a huge laugh? Does everyone know where it is because of previous partIEs have been held there? Just PLEASE let the stupid newbie know....? I have no clue. I know nothing. And that's all. .Get rid of that, Goddamn machine - PJ Harvey. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 10:13:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25567 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 10:13:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 25537 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 10:13:56 -0000 Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 10:13:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113101343.2755.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.219.66.31] by send1a; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:13:43 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:13:43 -0800 (PST) From: Hai La Subject: first rave & sfraves laminant To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk wonderful people, kindly email me your address and santa claus will send you an early sfraves laminant. 30 are being made to be distributed or look for me this weekend at wonder and sinister. one night in january 97: good lord i am bored. hey mike, anything to do? i'm trusting my social life in your hands. meet up with erik and four of his ladies. "some guys have all the funs, some guy have all the luck, .." why the intense stares and why so friendly? i'm just a nerd. arrive to a warehouse down near the end of 6 street or avenue, a very secured and quiet rundown industrial area. what are those pills you guys taking. sure i will try one. wow it feels good. hey can i join the pile? aahhooohhuummaa. much later wobble downstairs for some dancing. my good lord who are you little girl doing the herky jerky lambada with me. my arms are tired from holding you up. let me rest before i let you slip. rested. now where did you go? there you are on the ground under the table throwing up. "well nice meeting you. is my dancing that bad?" went upstairs. hey can i join you guys again? aahhooohhuummaa. a little later feel sick in the tummy. then feel like death. want to throw up. hey mike give me the car key. i'm going to the car to die there. okay. hey wake up hai. uh am i still alive? huh, what's the heck's an after party? isn't this partying enough? oh alright.. a big hug, hai Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 15:18:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11027 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 15:18:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 11018 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 15:18:42 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 15:18:42 -0000 Received: from katiez.vip.best.com (dynamic61.pm01.sf3d.best.com [209.24.234.61]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id HAA21650; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:17:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346B1A3B.C8647405@best.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:18:20 -0800 From: Katie Zitterbart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: moving to sf and need advice? also: new years? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01bceff5$f58e4920$5656dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey, Kim. > 1) good colleges to transfer to (i plan on majoring in computer > science) Don't go to school your first year here. You won't do any work anyway, and at the end of that year [maybe two now, I dunno] you will be a citizen of CA or something, and state schools are much - like obnoxiuously - cheaper. > 2) cheaper places to live that are still within an hour of s.f. What's Cheap? Right now, SF is the most expensive place to live in the country - like up to 1.10 a square foot. It also has a very very low vacancy rate. BUT, you could live in the city - in a room in a house [How Dr. Seussian of me] for less than $500 if you try real hard. Don't live outside the city, because you'll think *that's* what it is, and then you won't like it. Oh - and don't live in the outer Sunset if you end up within city limits unless chill and fog and little else [the beach and zoo] interest you more than cafe's booksellers and freaks. > 3) random stuff (places not to live, etc) don't live in the Tenderlion. BIG BUGS Plus, you might have to get the hookers to hail you a cab every once in a while, and that is a totally mortifying experience. or so i hear Katie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 15:43:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17504 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 15:43:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 17489 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 15:43:31 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 15:43:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113154542.24564.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web2; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:45:41 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance To: Katie Zitterbart Cc: Megan Hug , SFRaves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > sex? oh, come on - you all know as well as I do that a good solid five > hours just doesn't happen horizontally, Exactly why you don't stay horizontal 8) Oh! and I'm 27 hehehe
- pretend the spice girls have real boobs They don't have real boobs? What the?

Katie 'but really, i'm just trying to solve infinity' Z Girlfriend with all you accomplish in one evening you just may do it! 8) Layne - Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 15:55:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20457 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 15:55:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 20447 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 15:55:27 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 15:55:27 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id KyP27602; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:54:49 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:55:46 -0800 Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow Message-ID: <19971111.140034.7598.0.drek1@juno.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19971113005203.006b4d8c@napanet.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-32 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk We can tell you but then we would have to kill you. That wouldn't be good. : o ) dErEk On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:52:03 -0800 Levi Butterfield writes: >>>From bin Wed Nov 12 20:54:40 1997 >>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:52:33 -0800 (PST) >>From: jeremy bispo >>Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow >>To: Levi Butterfield >> >> >>tha party is in sf... >> >> >> > Yes, YES. I know it is in S.F. is it some kind of huge secret or >something?? Whenever I ask anyone, they just say "it's somewhere in >Sanfransisco, I don't know" am I just a huge laugh? Does everyone know >where it is because of previous partIEs have been held there? Just >PLEASE >let the stupid newbie know....? I have no clue. I know nothing. And >that's >all. > >.Get rid of that, >Goddamn machine - PJ Harvey. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 16:06:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23759 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 16:06:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 23746 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 16:06:13 -0000 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.103) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 16:06:13 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id IAA20807; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:06:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:06:08 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: HEY PROMOTERS...SMART DRINKS!! To: Kevin Vasconcellos cc: socal-raves@ucsd.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sd-raves@party.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I gotta agree here (sorry for cross posting -- dont' flame me) but this guy's drinks are really good and a great addition to any party. I'm not involved with his business at all, I just dig the drinks. thanks :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 16:22:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26992 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 16:22:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 26979 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 16:22:37 -0000 Received: from f38.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.49) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 16:22:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 28836 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1997 16:22:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113162209.28835.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:22:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:22:08 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk We can't say where it is neener neener neener :P Maybe it is deep in the heart of the Castro Dist. or no, maybe the Tenderloin (they got good meat there-ew) Or maybe in Los Banos? >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 00:55:22 1997 >Received: (qmail 5933 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 08:55:17 -0000 >Received: (qmail 5925 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 08:55:15 -0000 >Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 08:55:15 -0000 >Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) > by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07837 > for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:54:23 -0800 >Received: from default (pm-n1-30.napanet.net [157.22.193.30]) > by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA31352 > for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:51:37 -0800 >Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971113005203.006b4d8c@napanet.net> >X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:52:03 -0800 >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >From: Levi Butterfield >Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >>>From bin Wed Nov 12 20:54:40 1997 >>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:52:33 -0800 (PST) >>From: jeremy bispo >>Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow >>To: Levi Butterfield >> >> >>tha party is in sf... >> >> >> > Yes, YES. I know it is in S.F. is it some kind of huge secret or >something?? Whenever I ask anyone, they just say "it's somewhere in >Sanfransisco, I don't know" am I just a huge laugh? Does everyone know >where it is because of previous partIEs have been held there? Just PLEASE >let the stupid newbie know....? I have no clue. I know nothing. And that's >all. > >.Get rid of that, >Goddamn machine - PJ Harvey. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 16:28:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27963 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 16:28:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 27954 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 16:28:40 -0000 Received: from f19.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 16:28:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 8417 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1997 16:28:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113162810.8416.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:28:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:28:08 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk And then I'll have to kill you again!! Ouch... :P >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 07:55:33 1997 >Received: (qmail 20457 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 15:55:29 -0000 >Received: (qmail 20447 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 15:55:27 -0000 >Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 15:55:27 -0000 >Received: (from drek1@juno.com) > by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id KyP27602; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:54:49 EST >To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org >Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:55:46 -0800 >Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow >Message-ID: <19971111.140034.7598.0.drek1@juno.com> >References: <3.0.3.32.19971113005203.006b4d8c@napanet.net> >X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 >X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-32 >From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >We can tell you but then we would have to kill you. That wouldn't be >good. > >: o ) > >dErEk > > >On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:52:03 -0800 Levi Butterfield > writes: >>>>From bin Wed Nov 12 20:54:40 1997 >>>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:52:33 -0800 (PST) >>>From: jeremy bispo >>>Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow >>>To: Levi Butterfield >>> >>> >>>tha party is in sf... >>> >>> >>> >> Yes, YES. I know it is in S.F. is it some kind of huge secret or >>something?? Whenever I ask anyone, they just say "it's somewhere in >>Sanfransisco, I don't know" am I just a huge laugh? Does everyone know >>where it is because of previous partIEs have been held there? Just >>PLEASE >>let the stupid newbie know....? I have no clue. I know nothing. And >>that's >>all. >> >>.Get rid of that, >>Goddamn machine - PJ Harvey. >> > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 16:44:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3700 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 16:44:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 3447 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 16:44:14 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 16:44:14 -0000 Received: from katiez.vip.best.com (dynamic61.pm01.sf3d.best.com [209.24.234.61]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id IAA18792; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:41:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346B2DEB.12BC4597@best.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:42:19 -0800 From: Katie Zitterbart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Levi Butterfield CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.3.32.19971112191104.006b216c@napanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Levi Butterfield wrote: > I went down to Haight today and bought a ticket. I still have no clue > as to > where it will be though! I don't get it...why hasn't anyone said? > Well, I'd > like to know because it would be nice to make it. Would anyone please > say?? > Thanks. IN ADVANCE!!! Hey, Levi! I looked for you at The Lab on friday nite - guess you stayed for as short a time as I did, eh? Wonder is an underground party. That means there probably isn't a permit for the space. This is very frequently the truth for raves - in fact, many would argue it's a defining principal. What will happen is that you call the number, go to the map point, and then you'll find out the address. I think I have an idea where this is gonna happen, and it's an area you're familiar with [take the hint and file it in your brain :-)] I'm not going to get to the party - i've decided I can only do one a week, but I think I'm changing my mind. Mebbe I'll see ya there or just around the hood. Have fun at your first real Rave!!! Later, Katie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 16:52:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5979 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 16:52:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 5960 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 16:51:59 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 16:51:59 -0000 Received: from katiez.vip.best.com (dynamic61.pm01.sf3d.best.com [209.24.234.61]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id IAA07393; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:48:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346B2F9F.1A3812BA@best.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:49:36 -0800 From: Katie Zitterbart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Layne Loomis CC: Megan Hug , SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19971113154542.24564.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Layne Loomis wrote: > > sex? oh, come on - you all know as well as I do > that a good solid five hours just doesn't happen horizontally, > > Exactly why you don't stay horizontal 8) my blood pools. yours will too when you turn 28 - it's nasty. >

Katie 'but really, i'm just trying to solve > infinity' Z > > Girlfriend with all you accomplish in one evening > you just may do it! Yeah, and then I'm gonna write a pulp book about it and go on the talkshow circuit with my identity hidden, because it will make people believe me. Or not, I dunno how those things work, but I *do* have two friends who have decided they are going to break up on Montel if they ever do. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 17:47:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24065 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 17:47:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 24054 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 17:47:18 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 17:47:18 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA16674; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:34:17 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971113093103.007436bc@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:31:34 -0800 To: Levi Butterfield , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 12:52 AM 11/13/97 -0800, Levi Butterfield wrote: > Yes, YES. I know it is in S.F. is it some kind of huge secret or >something?? no...but that's part of the specialness of the newbie experience. once you start going to more events, familiar locations will pop up from time to time and when you hear those locations on the voice mail you will go "oh boy, that place!" or "oh no, not that place!" i am sure we all have a few of both of those...i myself break out in a cold sweat whenever i hear people say "TAKE ALL ALTERNATE ROUTES TO THE 10 EAST" (darn L.A. promoters)...but for now, be surprised--it may be your last time, what with the limited number of venues in the Bay Area. actually, you make me envious--i wish i could be a newbie all over again, because discovery and mystery is half the fun... ------------------------------------ "white room. sun room. shadow room. night transmitting cars across the room. these things sent to dance across the room. eye watching from your bed. returning to you." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 17:56:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28417 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 17:56:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 28408 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 17:56:25 -0000 Received: from puertopollo.lucasarts.com (firewall-user@204.71.70.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 17:56:25 -0000 Received: by puertopollo.lucasarts.com; id JAA10936; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:48:54 -0800 Received: from fandango.lucasarts.com(144.0.100.82) by puertopollo.lucasarts.com via smap (3.2) id xma010907; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:48:46 -0800 Received: from tanis.lucaslearning.com (tanis [144.0.230.20]) by fandango.lucasarts.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA12233 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by tanis.lucaslearning.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:54:16 -0800 Message-ID: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211ACE20@tanis.lucaslearning.com> From: Josh Damon Williams To: Layne Loomis , "'Katie Zitterbart'" Cc: Megan Hug , SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:54:11 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > ---------- > From: Katie Zitterbart > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 9:49 AM > To: Layne Loomis > Cc: Megan Hug; SFRaves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name > that dance > > Layne Loomis wrote: > > > > sex? oh, come on - you all know as well as I do > > that a good solid five hours just doesn't happen horizontally, > > > > Exactly why you don't stay horizontal 8) > > my blood pools. yours will too when you turn 28 - it's nasty. > hey, i'm turning 28 in a few months! i don't need you or anyone else spoiling all the surprises!! :-P From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 17:56:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28797 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 17:56:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 28418 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 17:56:27 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 17:56:27 -0000 Received: from jeff.utron.com ([208.138.43.35]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03734 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:56:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711131756.JAA03734@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff @ Work" To: Subject: Re: What do you think of when your dancing? was name that dance Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:56:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This sounds like it might have been a good topic. But now! Blood pools? I am lost.. I feel like someone that just bumped into another couples person conversation. Like, your both suppost to just look at me now and say "uh, excuse me but. mind your own business" So. Anyone going to Nikita tomorrow night? Anyone going to the Brass Rail tonight? Probably not. Live long and prosper! Jeff From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 18:12:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2684 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 18:12:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 2672 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 18:12:04 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 18:12:04 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14417 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03268; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:06:04 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:14:27 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Venues (was: woowoo Wonder) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >but for now, be surprised--it may be your last time, what with >the limited number of venues in the Bay Area. limited number of venues? there are thousands of structures in the bay area. many of them deserted. hundreds of landlords who'd love to make an extra buck. I think it's just a lack of exploration. there are always new locations...one promoter finds it, and the rest flock to it until it burns out, or everyone realizes what the problems are...sleeping neighbors/cops, leaky ceiling, no air circulation, ghosts, whatever. then someone finds a new location and it's used until it burns out. We saw this happen w/ 24th & Mission and Cyborganic, in recent history. there are so many venues... >because discovery and mystery is half the fun. indeed. promoters? Just playing devil's advocate; that's all. I'm not busting anyone's chops. b o o m e f i d g e t r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 18:13:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3444 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 18:13:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 3435 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 18:13:08 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 18:13:08 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xW3lF-0003Y4-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:13:01 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:13:07 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi peoples... I was wondering how many of your are Vegetarians.. This is my first year as a Vegetarian and I'm wondering what it will be like around Thanksgiving and Xmas. No Turkey (don't mind) or a lot of other carnige (sp?).... I'll have to tell my mom and grandma to make extra non-meat entrees for little ole' me. The funny thing is that most of my family doesn't even know I'm a Vegetarian and are probably going to freak..... ha. Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 18:16:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4981 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 18:16:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 4951 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 18:16:48 -0000 Received: from zool.airtouch.com (151.144.254.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 18:16:48 -0000 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA02311; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:15:17 -0800 Received: from phoenix9 by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA28727; Thu, 13 Nov 97 10:15:16 PST From: neil@nit.AirTouch.COM (Neil Palmer) Received: by phoenix9 (SMI-8.6) id KAA20555; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:14:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199711131814.KAA20555@phoenix9> Subject: Re: moving to sf and need advice? also: new years? To: marilyn@best.com (Katie Zitterbart) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:14:57 -0800 (PST) Cc: groovinkim@connectexpress.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <346B1A3B.C8647405@best.com> from "Katie Zitterbart" at Nov 13, 97 07:18:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > > 3) random stuff (places not to live, etc) > > don't live in the Tenderlion. BIG BUGS Plus, you might have to get the > hookers to hail you a cab every once in a while, and that is a totally > mortifying experience. or so i hear HEY! what's wrong with the Tenderloin? It's the only part of this town that begins to feel like a proper metropolis, the rents cheap, some of the apartments are nice and if you're a guy (ok, so I'm biased, shoot me) there's a lot more threatening things that could happen to you than having some scantily clad women hail you a cab.... it's the only part of town in which they aren't jacking up the rents to get all the yuppie fucks in...and that won't last long. give it 5/10 years and SF will be Suburbia-By-The-Bay....enough 4x4's for ya already? peace, neil. neil@nit.airtouch.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 18:22:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6068 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 18:22:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6056 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 18:22:24 -0000 Received: from lbin.com (HELO light.lbin.com) (204.30.25.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 18:22:24 -0000 Received: by light.lbin.com (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3) id ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:17:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346B452D.47F9E162@lbin.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:21:33 -0800 From: Ryan PC Gibson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Thanksgiving has always been one of the best dinners...especially as a vegetarian! Sweet potatoes, corn, creamed asparagus, cranberry stuffing.....yummmmm. It's one of the best times to totally pig out without touching dead animals 'cuz there are so many side dishes. The conundrum I'm stuck in is that I promised my best friend i would cook dinner for her, but I think she might be really disappointed if there is no dead bird there. I don't think I can cook turkey, just to make someone happy. ryan. *byroni* wrote: > Hi peoples... > > I was wondering how many of your are Vegetarians.. This is my first year > as a Vegetarian and I'm wondering what it will be like around Thanksgiving > and Xmas. No Turkey (don't mind) or a lot of other carnige (sp?).... I'll > have to tell my mom and grandma to make extra non-meat entrees for little > ole' me. The funny thing is that most of my family doesn't even know I'm a > Vegetarian and are probably going to freak..... ha. > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 18:27:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7570 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 18:27:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 7562 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 18:27:37 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 18:27:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113182948.5597.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.57.69] by web2; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:29:48 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... To: Ryan PC Gibson , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > I think she might be really disappointed if there is >no > dead bird there. I don't think I can cook turkey, >just to make someone happy. Although I rather enjoy dead birds, (the live ones are much to feisty). I don't think you should ever deviate from what you believe is correct, to fufill someone else's happiness. LL Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 18:28:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8205 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 18:28:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8195 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 18:28:37 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 18:28:37 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xW409-0003yl-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:28:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:28:29 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Ryan PC Gibson cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... In-Reply-To: <346B452D.47F9E162@lbin.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I would rather eat a dead animal then cook it myself. And you couldn't pay me $1000 to eat a dead animal right now or anytime soon. Eiiw. I'll just let my familia know that I don't dig on swine (or any other living animal for that matter) and that they'll have to cook me up some vegies... Thanks for the ideas. Byroni On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Ryan PC Gibson wrote: > Thanksgiving has always been one of the best dinners...especially as a > vegetarian! Sweet potatoes, corn, creamed asparagus, cranberry > stuffing.....yummmmm. It's one of the best times to totally pig out without > touching dead animals 'cuz there are so many side dishes. > The conundrum I'm stuck in is that I promised my best friend i would cook > dinner for her, but I think she might be really disappointed if there is no > dead bird there. I don't think I can cook turkey, just to make someone happy. > > ryan. > > *byroni* wrote: > > > Hi peoples... > > > > I was wondering how many of your are Vegetarians.. This is my first year > > as a Vegetarian and I'm wondering what it will be like around Thanksgiving > > and Xmas. No Turkey (don't mind) or a lot of other carnige (sp?).... I'll > > have to tell my mom and grandma to make extra non-meat entrees for little > > ole' me. The funny thing is that most of my family doesn't even know I'm a > > Vegetarian and are probably going to freak..... ha. > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 18:31:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9031 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 18:31:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 9021 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 18:31:05 -0000 Received: from galaxy.galstar.com (anarchy@204.251.80.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 18:31:05 -0000 Received: (from anarchy@localhost) by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05001 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:31:03 -0600 (CST) From: "U.A.A." Message-Id: <199711131831.MAA05001@galaxy.galstar.com> Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... To: sfraves@hyperreal.org (Controlled Chaos) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:31:03 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <346B452D.47F9E162@lbin.com> from "Ryan PC Gibson" at Nov 13, 97 10:21:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk awww yeah, I must agree with ryan. I can never stop eating those brown and serve rolls with cranberry sauce =). The only thing that I would recommend is have whom ever is making the stuffing to prepare a special non chicken/turkey stock version for you. Also beware of stove top stuffing cuz its got it in the mix. I usually cook/bring a dish of my own to compliment what everyone else has cooked. Yeah my relatives kinda freaked the first dinner I spent with them after goin veggie. I think I was asked "so why did you do it" and "so what can you eat" more times than I would have liked but by the end of the night I think they got used to it. So byroni my friend, I hope you enjoy your first veggie thanksgiving =) Herb > > Thanksgiving has always been one of the best dinners...especially as a > vegetarian! Sweet potatoes, corn, creamed asparagus, cranberry > stuffing.....yummmmm. It's one of the best times to totally pig out without > touching dead animals 'cuz there are so many side dishes. > > > > I was wondering how many of your are Vegetarians.. This is my first year > > as a Vegetarian and I'm wondering what it will be like around Thanksgiving > > and Xmas. No Turkey (don't mind) or a lot of other carnige (sp?).... I'll > > have to tell my mom and grandma to make extra non-meat entrees for little > > ole' me. The funny thing is that most of my family doesn't even know I'm a > > Vegetarian and are probably going to freak..... ha. > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 18:37:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11819 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 18:37:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 11809 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 18:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 18:37:55 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:33:28 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971113104116.006ccafc@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:41:16 -0800 To: Ryan PC Gibson , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Megan Hug Subject: thanksgiving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk why don't you make a turkey out of fruits & vegetables... almost like a cornucopia. get creative... it just might be the best thanksgiving "turkey" dinner she's ever had! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 19:07:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22961 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 19:07:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 22952 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 19:07:01 -0000 Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 19:07:01 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id LAA08118; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:05:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346B525A.BDF8F665@best.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:17:46 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Levi Butterfield CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow References: <3.0.3.32.19971113005203.006b4d8c@napanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk sorry meeeee-ster, can't tell ya.... underground parties always like to keep the locations on the down low, so that people will go to the map point. Underground parties can't handle a buncha kids comming to the actuall location trying to sneak their way in or buy their way in. Especially when it's a packed house! Can tell ya this much though, many rooms to dance/chill in, and it's in S.F. =) hope to see ya there! =) peace.jer Levi Butterfield wrote: > > >>From bin Wed Nov 12 20:54:40 1997 > >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:52:33 -0800 (PST) > >From: jeremy bispo > >Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow > >To: Levi Butterfield > > > > > >tha party is in sf... > > > > > > > Yes, YES. I know it is in S.F. is it some kind of huge secret or > something?? Whenever I ask anyone, they just say "it's somewhere in > Sanfransisco, I don't know" am I just a huge laugh? Does everyone know > where it is because of previous partIEs have been held there? Just PLEASE > let the stupid newbie know....? I have no clue. I know nothing. And that's > all. > > .Get rid of that, > Goddamn machine - PJ Harvey. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 19:16:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25647 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 19:16:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 25638 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 19:16:01 -0000 Received: from ella.mills.edu (144.91.3.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 19:16:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7059 invoked by uid 2699); 13 Nov 1997 11:15:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:15:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Priscilla M. Martinez" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: bye:( Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk so the time has come for my farewell school is killing me and i feel like hell i work and work and work some more but they tell me i must work harder to make the score that will get me where i want to go med school its called oh i don't know i just want to help kids and keep them from crying but in the process i feel like i'm dying you have all been inspirations to me in one way or another in time you will see despite our moods and raging fires together we are such a beautiful choir with A Music that keeps me eternally high which is why it is so hard to say good-bye take care loves, cause i care. con amor y paz, siempre priscilla From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 19:56:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8982 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 19:56:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8973 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 19:56:44 -0000 Received: from mrin51.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin51.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.161) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 19:56:44 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin51.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA14518; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:56:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:56:16 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971113145615_507163546@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: also: new years? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/13/97 5:53:24 AM, you wrote: << gather a couple people who are quiet, stoned, or both, and watch _2001: A Space Odyssey_ starting at about 9pm or so--that way the movie ends right as the new year begins...truly a cosmic start for the year.>> No way man!! you gotta watch Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory!! my favorite of all time!! :D natashaaaaaaaaa From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 20:20:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13601 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 20:20:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 13472 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 20:20:25 -0000 Received: from mrin42.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin42.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.152) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 20:20:25 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin42.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA06475; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:19:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:19:57 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971113151957_494092451@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: byroni@ccnet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/13/97 1:04:38 PM, you wrote: <<> Thanksgiving has always been one of the best dinners...especially as a > vegetarian! Sweet potatoes, corn, creamed asparagus, cranberry > stuffing...... >> three cheers 4 veggie peeps!! I have some yummy sidedish recipes if anyone's interested :) natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 20:43:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22887 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 20:43:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 22879 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 20:43:02 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 20:43:02 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id MAA06106 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id MAA18589; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:42:58 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:42:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: sfraves Subject: NRR (humor) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk And you think you have had a bad day. ;) "It was the day before my eighteenth birthday. I was living at home, but my parents had gone out for the evening, so I invited my girlfriend over for a romantic night alone. "As we lay in bed after making love, we heard the telephone ring downstairs. I suggested to my girlfriend that I give her a piggyback ride to the phone. Since we didn't want to miss the call, we didn't have time to get dressed. When we got to the bottom of the stairs, the lights suddenly came on and a whole crowd of people yelled, 'SURPRISE!' My entire family - aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins - and all my friends were standing there! My girlfriend and I were frozen in a state of shock and embarrassment for what seemed like an eternity. "Since then, no one in my family has planned a surprise party again." hugz, Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 20:43:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23333 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 20:43:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 23226 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 20:43:11 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 20:43:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113204058.21684.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.158.134.131] by web4; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:58 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:58 -0800 (PST) From: macadio Subject: Sorry Paging MOSHE!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey Moshe, I neeed to talk to you ASAP. It turns out that two of our DJ's may back out. So page me as soon as you can. I am still not sure they may show up but im not sure page me. Macadio (408)381-4402 PGR. Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 20:50:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26023 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 20:50:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 26011 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 20:50:13 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 20:50:13 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.67] ([38.248.198.67] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06448 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:46:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:50:30 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk actually, it's not hard at all on thanksgiving.... but you have to make your favorite dish yourself so you're safe... (you oughta be cooking something for the meal anyway, byroni!, you're a big boy now!) i happen to LOVE stuffing.... so I make a killer veg stuffing, using broth instead of turkey grease, etc.... and put it into hollowed out squashes to bake (if i'm feeling industrious) and bring that as my contribution.... then i know i'll have something that tastes like thanksgiving to me.. add some green veggies and mashed potatoes and biscuits.... some pumpkin pie.... and we're on! and you don't even have to talk about not eating the turkey and stuff if you think it will cause problems .... don't make a big deal of it. leslie >Hi peoples... > >I was wondering how many of your are Vegetarians.. This is my first year >as a Vegetarian and I'm wondering what it will be like around Thanksgiving >and Xmas. No Turkey (don't mind) or a lot of other carnige (sp?).... I'll >have to tell my mom and grandma to make extra non-meat entrees for little >ole' me. The funny thing is that most of my family doesn't even know I'm a >Vegetarian and are probably going to freak..... ha. > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 20:55:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27895 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 20:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 27886 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 20:55:01 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 20:55:01 -0000 Received: from shorvitz.pbi.net (csota-206-171-132-175.csota.pbi.net [206.171.132.175]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA21316 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:55:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971113125320.01573504@postoffice.pacbell.net> X-Sender: sutekh@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:53:20 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Seth Subject: bsp: Beta Lounge tonight Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey! For those of you with Real Audio, Darin Marshall and I will be spinning tonight on Beta Lounge between 6 and 10pm ( http://www.betalounge.com ) representing our label Belief Systems. I hope some of you out there can listen! -Seth |||| d j . s u t e k h |||| b e l i e f - s y s t e m s |||| o a k l a n d . c a . u s a |||| http://www.belief-systems.com |||| http://www.nodeone.com/static ....................................................................... Nov. 13: darin marshall and sutekh on www.betalounge.com Nov. 30: .inhabit.the.machines with neil landstrumm and tobias schmidt live, dave tarrida of sativae. sf.ca.4159793005 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 21:02:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 700 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 21:02:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 688 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 21:02:17 -0000 Received: from stage1.thirdage.com (204.74.82.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 21:02:17 -0000 Received: from cootie.thirdage.com (cootie.ThirdAge.com [204.74.82.158]) by stage1.thirdage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07413 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:59:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971113130419.00a0c3c4@mail.thirdage.com> X-Sender: chrisp@mail.thirdage.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:04:19 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: chris Subject: Re: bsp: Beta Lounge tonight In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971113125320.01573504@postoffice.pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Seth, you're on the beta lounge! Go Man Go! -c At 12:53 PM 11/13/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hey! > >For those of you with Real Audio, Darin Marshall and I will be spinning >tonight on Beta Lounge between 6 and 10pm ( http://www.betalounge.com ) >representing our label Belief Systems. I hope some of you out there can >listen! > >-Seth > >|||| d j . s u t e k h >|||| b e l i e f - s y s t e m s >|||| o a k l a n d . c a . u s a >|||| http://www.belief-systems.com >|||| http://www.nodeone.com/static >....................................................................... >Nov. 13: darin marshall and sutekh on www.betalounge.com >Nov. 30: .inhabit.the.machines with neil landstrumm and tobias > schmidt live, dave tarrida of sativae. sf.ca.4159793005 > > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Christopher Pryor HTML Programmer T H I R D A G E M E D I A http://www.thirdage.com (415)908-3611 c h r i s @ t h i r d a g e . c o m . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 21:19:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6522 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 21:19:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 6514 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 21:19:26 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 21:19:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113211358.8950.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.57.69] by web1; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:13:58 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: First Rave Experience To: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk my first rave experience was back in '89 or so, in the mountains of morth carolina (boone, to be specific). i was going to school there. a buddy of mine was from orlando, and over his summer vacation he had been going to this club night called ahhhhhhzzzz (or something like that, the space was called the beacham theatre i think) listening to this dj named kimbal. anywayz he had bought a bunch of 12"'s down there, and since boone was small and dead and we were used to making our own fun anyway, we decided to throw our own little rave in his parents' ski lodge outside of town. we hacked an orange juicer we got at goodwill into a variable speed spinning light thingie, and made this cool underwater lighting effect shining a spotlight off of a sheet of mylar with a fan pointed at it. also, i had a mirrored globe my girlfriend had got me for my birthday that summer, and we rented a fog machine and sound system from the local rock 'n roll music shop. we begged a second turntable from a friend (only one table had pitch control, not that we could beatmatch anyway), and bought the cheapest mixer they had at radio shack. finally, my friend bought some flourescent light tubes, and we covered the floor of the garage in designs drawn with day-glo crayons. as i said it was a small, conservative town, and all us freaks were fairly close-knit. so about 60 wierdos of various flavors (grungers, goths, fags, industrial-types, and unclassifyable fringers) showed up. there was no e but plenty of good a, and though i was straight edge at the time (didn't even drink alcohol) i caught a killer contact buzz and stayed up till the last reveler found a ride home... the party was so successful we wound up throwing another, and another, and another, and to this day you can still find cool basement/garage parties in boone nc, some of them thrown by a handful of (then) high schoolers who stumbled upon our parties oh so many years ago... - messiah wannabe ---Julie Hayes wrote: > > I know there are a lot of newbie-virginraver lurker types out there, so I thought it would be cool to hear those that aren't so newbie tell us about their first raving experience..........music/dj's; clothing; people; vibe; date?; reaction. etc...... > > Peace and Love > Julie > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 21:38:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14242 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 21:38:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 14233 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 21:38:10 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 21:38:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19971113213611.20706.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.57.69] by attach1; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:36:11 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:36:11 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... To: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk winter squash - acorn squah & butternut squash especially - make killer thanksgiving veggie dishes. i like leslies idea of filling 'em with stuffing, but if you're lazy, just cut 'em in half, scoop out the seeds, spread a touch of olive oil on the bottom of a baking pan, and put 'em in the oven at 350 for an hour or so. mmmm mmmmm! repent now, strange birds! the messiah predicts, only 14 days till the turkey holocaust cometh! -mw ---Leslie Ayres wrote: > > actually, it's not hard at all on thanksgiving.... but you have to make > your favorite dish yourself so you're safe... (you oughta be cooking > something for the meal anyway, byroni!, you're a big boy now!) > > i happen to LOVE stuffing.... so I make a killer veg stuffing, using broth > instead of turkey grease, etc.... and put it into hollowed out squashes to > bake (if i'm feeling industrious) and bring that as my contribution.... > > then i know i'll have something that tastes like thanksgiving to me.. add > some green veggies and mashed potatoes and biscuits.... some pumpkin > pie.... and we're on! > > and you don't even have to talk about not eating the turkey and stuff if > you think it will cause problems .... don't make a big deal of it. > > leslie > > > >Hi peoples... > > > >I was wondering how many of your are Vegetarians.. This is my first year > >as a Vegetarian and I'm wondering what it will be like around Thanksgiving > >and Xmas. No Turkey (don't mind) or a lot of other carnige (sp?).... I'll > >have to tell my mom and grandma to make extra non-meat entrees for little > >ole' me. The funny thing is that most of my family doesn't even know I'm a > >Vegetarian and are probably going to freak..... ha. > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 21:44:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16535 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 21:44:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 16432 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 21:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 21:44:08 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:39:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971113134722.00697814@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:47:22 -0800 To: Messiah Wannabe , sfraves From: Megan Hug Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... In-Reply-To: <19971113213611.20706.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >winter squash - acorn squah & butternut squash especially - make >killer thanksgiving veggie dishes. i like leslies idea of filling 'em >with stuffing, but if you're lazy, just cut 'em in half, scoop out the >seeds, spread a touch of olive oil on the bottom of a baking pan, and >put 'em in the oven at 350 for an hour or so. mmmm mmmmm! or better yet (not that your way isn't good...) scoop out the seeds and put butter (or do vegetarians use margerine?) and some brown sugar!!! that's key! (salt & pepper as desired) mmmm..... so good and sweet! works with all types of squash! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 21:55:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21370 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 21:55:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 21361 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-85.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.85]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA17094 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:55:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346B77EF.7FDE@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:58:07 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... References: <3.0.1.32.19971113134722.00697814@medialive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk There is also a wonderful product called seiten... It is pronounced like satan...so you may have to do some explaining when you go to grandmas house and say "I brought seiten or i love seiten." Actually my favorite thanksgiving food is pizza. Perhaps we should all have a sfraves gathering at veechas on haight @ fillmore. They have the best seiten around. The vegitarian satey in peanut sauce is really great along with the other vegi thai food. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 22:26:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28551 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 22:26:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 28543 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 22:26:01 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 22:26:01 -0000 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.7]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA13405 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:07:17 -0800 Received: from localhost (philboyd@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA14759 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:09:00 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:09:00 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos E Soto To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Anyone from Abyss Crew in Santa Rosa Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk my friend and i took a crossover to your party and left some stuff behind and we were wondering if anyone found it and still has it. i know it was along time ago, but here's the stuff just incase: 2 xlr to 1/4 inch cords (about 10 ft long each) 1 power cord for a power amp with one end male and the other female. thanks if you can help, and if not thanks anyways. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 22:53:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6964 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 22:53:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 6955 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 22:53:09 -0000 Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (192.86.155.100) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 22:53:09 -0000 Received: from mailsun2.us.oracle.com (mailsun2.us.oracle.com [144.25.88.74]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17070 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailsun2.us.oracle.com (SMI-8.6/37.8) id PAA15583; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:01:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199711132301.PAA15583@mailsun2.us.oracle.com> Date: 13 Nov 97 14:31:20 -0800 From: "Zza" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.1.3.40) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk My first Veggie Thanksgiving sucked! It was last year and I had just moved to SF (like a year to this date). Because of the timing of the move my mom came out here to visit. So there I was in this temporary housing and we decided cooking was out. So we desperatly searched for somewhere to eat: most everything is closed. There were places having buffets, but my mom had issues with having to pay or me pay $30+ dollars when all I would be eating is salad. The veggie places were no good for my mom. We ended up eating crappy pizza at Round Table :( This year is going to better: I'm going home!! zza From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 23:00:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9597 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 23:00:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 9588 invoked by uid 24); 13 Nov 1997 23:00:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 10615 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 06:27:40 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 06:27:40 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-199.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.199]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id WAA00247 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:27:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346A9E78.7A85@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:30:16 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: thoughts while dancing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well sometimes my thought are like: "it was a vision of ecstasy as i saw my lips turn into butterflies and dance around your delicate petals. Divinely intoxicated by your sweet nectar." or sometimes its like... "how am i going to get this blowpop off the bottom of my shoe?" > <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 23:00:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10062 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 23:00:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 9904 invoked by uid 24); 13 Nov 1997 23:00:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 22127 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 21:57:32 -0000 Received: from get.wired.com (HELO wired.com) (204.62.131.5) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 21:57:32 -0000 Received: from [204.62.132.110] (ar.hotwired.com [204.62.132.110]) by wired.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01271; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:57:31 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: benitez@get.hotwired.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971113211358.8950.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:56:56 -0800 To: sfraves From: Brian Benitez Subject: Re: First Rave Experience Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk OK, old timer alert... "back in my day, we usedta... My first few raves were at the club called Osmosis, upstairs at the DV8 every thursday night. I had just turned 21 (this was 1991), and I *hated* dance music. I was a longhair rocker boy at the time... but some friends were going there a lot, and telling me how much fun it was etc etc. Since I had recently come of age, I decided to go and check out something new (college parties at Berkeley were getting old). I also went because I was curious about ecstasy, which my friends said they would be doing that night. So, my first rave was also my first e. Whotta combo... it blew my mind and changed my life forever. But that's another story. The experience definitely opened up my ears to a whole new world of music that I had never even considered. Osmosis was a cool club, nicely mixed, happy crowd and lots of good house music headed up by DJ Pete Avila. The upstairs space at the DV8 was a nice space, for those of you who haven't been (do they still throw anything there? I know that the DV8's being changed to, or is already, a chi-chi "supper club"). Lots of different "theme rooms" to play in, some with bedding, comfy chairs, etc. Film loops and some decent visuals (at the time) rounded the space out and made it feel a million miles away from the general cheeziness of the main DV8 club downstairs. I liked Osmosis a lot, it had a good long run before the whole scene started getting really commercial and ugly. It felt nice, happy and decadent in the same breath. Some pretty wild stuff went down there, but it was all good. After that, the parties that stick in my mind are: Sunny Side Up - the Hardkiss' early party; early toontowns (and hey, it's kinda nice to see toontown coming back for another run around. could be a good new years' thing...); random parties at what is now the Gold Club, or the basment of big heart city (now IHOP); and Mr. Floppy's and other parties at that fucked up "1300" warehouse in Oakland. Epic techno house was the order of the day, it's funny how dated that stuff sounds now - even though it's not all that old. Big, loud clothing, huge floppy hats, the old guy with the staff keeping the parties "stocked." Speaking from the old timer perspective, it's been interesting to watch the scene as it's unfolded from the underground to the mainstream, to the overly-commercial sickness that spread in 1992-3, then back underground; more recently beginning the current upswing in popularity 'cause of the music industry's discovery of "electronica." It's nice to see it happening a little differently now - the underground is staying under, keeping it real; and the commercial shit is flopping bigtime, or succeeding with a crowd that wouldn't know the difference. And they can keep it. What hasn't changed, unfortunately (and here comes the crotchety old man), is the plethora of kids taking waaay too many drugs, waaay too often, for no good reason; kids who get so sucked into the 'scene' that they lose touch with just about everything else, and it becomes their life. That's a dead end road, and I've seen too many friends burnt and wasted down there... plurry enthusiasm for the scene is one thing, but remember that there's a lot more to life than the next party. Keep your head up! > >---Julie Hayes wrote: >> >> I know there are a lot of newbie-virginraver lurker types out there, >so I thought it would be cool to hear those that aren't so newbie tell >us about their first raving experience..........music/dj's; clothing; >people; vibe; date?; reaction. etc...... >> >> Peace and Love >> Julie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Beta Lounge - http://www.betalounge.com/ Live on the net every Thursday, 6-10 PM Pacific Time (Fridays 1-5 AM GMT) Electronic music and culture, worldwide ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 23:00:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10654 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 23:00:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 10646 invoked by uid 24); 13 Nov 1997 23:00:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 11126 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 20:03:27 -0000 Received: from fillmore.criticalpath.net (209.104.216.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 20:03:27 -0000 Received: (cpmta 24965 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 20:02:58 GMT Received: from baal.cp.domain.net (HELO baal) (baal@209.104.216.65) by mail.criticalpath.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 20:02:58 GMT X-CriticalPath-Timestamp: 13 Nov 1997 20:02:58 GMT From: "Brendan Braybrook" To: Subject: Re: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:02:41 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf06f$195cf5d0$41d868d1@baal.cp.domain.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >I was wondering how many of your are Vegetarians.. This is my first year >as a Vegetarian and I'm wondering what it will be like around Thanksgiving >and Xmas. No Turkey (don't mind) or a lot of other carnige (sp?).... I'll >have to tell my mom and grandma to make extra non-meat entrees for little >ole' me. The funny thing is that most of my family doesn't even know I'm a >Vegetarian and are probably going to freak..... ha. here's what my family has always had on thanksgiving (i've never eaten meat): cheese souffle (which takes the place of the dead bird), yams, squash, mashed potatoes, peas, asparagus, occasionally some other stuff, but that's the general picture. oh, and a nice stout or porter goes really well with the cheese souffle. (spelling is carnage, if it's the word i think you are looking for. maybe carrion would fit well into there. hahah) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 23:03:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11767 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 23:03:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 11741 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 23:03:39 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 23:03:39 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA12621 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:03:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from str-ca2-07.ix.netcom.com(207.93.43.71) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012608; Thu Nov 13 17:02:41 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971113150022.00aab684@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: ascend@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:00:26 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Harmony Subject: <> (Dj BSP) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I just had to put in my little BSP... I will be playing at Sinister this Saturday, so if you see me there, be sure to say what's up! (not while I am spinning though ; ) I am looking forward to seeing all of you there! Peace and love, Greg =) Also, hopefully we will have some sort of flyers for Beautiful People... If not, I will telekenetically give you the info! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 13 23:35:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20226 invoked by uid 6000); 13 Nov 1997 23:35:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 20217 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 23:35:04 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 23:35:04 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SeE27242; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:34:25 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... Message-ID: <19971113.153556.8591.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> References: <971113151957_494092451@mrin42.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-13 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:34:25 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:19:57 -0500 (EST) Natasha426@aol.com writes: >three cheers 4 veggie peeps!! I have some yummy sidedish >recipes if anyone's interested :) > >natasha > Im interested....lets see um.... ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 00:12:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27901 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 00:12:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 27893 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 00:12:29 -0000 Received: from excite.whowhere.com (HELO excite) (209.1.236.13) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 00:12:29 -0000 Received: by mailexcite.com id <21167-319>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:30 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:17 -0700 From: "Amber Marie Lawraine Nixon" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: needing turntables! X-Sender-Ip: 129.210.199.183 Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Got tables? I'm tired of having my friend's pimp out theirs, I want MINE!! There aren't enough chick-DJs out there and I've decided to do something about it. I love the music too much to listen passively. If you have tables to sell, or know where I could get a good deal...PLEASE write. Thank you!!! Lusing for vinyl... >:) Amber --- "Oh, bother" said Pooh as he looked down at Piglet's mangled body. Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 00:40:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4474 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 00:40:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 4466 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 00:40:40 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 00:40:40 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01273; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:50:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA06450; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:34:18 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:42:51 -0800 To: Harmony From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: <> (Dj BSP) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Hello everyone, > >I just had to put in my little BSP... I will be playing at Sinister this >Saturday, so if you see me there, be sure to say what's up! (not while I am >spinning though Mind if i crank my head sideways and shine my penlight on your labels? Long as i don't say anything? -boom From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 00:52:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7816 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 00:52:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 7807 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 00:52:51 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 00:52:51 -0000 Received: (from ldylove@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id T]K27602; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:51:20 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:42:57 -0800 Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... Message-ID: <19971113.164529.5903.3.ldylove@juno.com> References: <971113151957_494092451@mrin42.mail.aol.com> <19971113.153556.8591.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7,11-15 From: ldylove@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This will be my third or maybe fourth vege Thanksgiving. Everybody else in my sorta-family home eats meat but me. We usually go over to a family friends house where they make the most devine yam soup, or it could be pumpkin, or squash. All I know is it's yummy and orange. The chef won't tell me what exactly it's made of because it is an old family recipe and it's only written inside his head. Well, when everybody else starts digging into their bird I just keep devouring the orange soup. I only get the pleasure of eating it once a year, twice if we see them at Christmas. Another of my favorites is mom's famous scalloped corn. I think it is just cream corn with seasoned bread crumbs or crackers on top and then backed. I am drooling just thinking about it. Ahhhh, food. RLove From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 01:39:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21567 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 01:39:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 21258 invoked by uid 76); 14 Nov 1997 01:39:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19971114013919.21257.qmail@hyperreal.org> From: dhchung@hyperreal.org Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.org (SF Raves) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:39:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.org (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL37 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk There are some interesting lineups this weekend with some visitors. On Friday, Step2k and Fullmoon Neurology sound like good smaller parties, and on Saturday, Quest, Sinister and the Space Children party look like they could be pretty good. THE SFR CALENDAR http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Thursday, November 13rd - FTT presents Spring Heel Jack with Noel, Tomas. 18+, $12. Bimbo's, 1025 Columbus, SF. 415.474.0365 Friday, November 14th - The people who brought you Foundation presents _Emerald City_ DJs pending.... Sacramento. 916.828.5904 Friday, November 14th - _Wonder 2_ Vlad, Li, AndyW, Mystr-E, Macadio, more TBA.. New location. Three rooms including an "Open Deck" room (bring your records). 2-300 limited tix. 408.538.5600 Friday, November 14th - Step 2k jungle environs for the future minded UFO, Billy Diamond, Noel, Push. Visuals by blasthaus. 10pm-4am+. 415.789.8212 ext 1 Friday, November 14th - "One of us" presents _Emerald City_ Jon Bishop, Barry Weaver, Mike Moss & DJ Sol on 4 turntables, Wyatt, Patrick. 415.451.8066 916.828.5904 916.829.6485 Friday, November 14th - Godot presents _Fullmoon Neurology_ Sukia (LA Nickel Bag Records), Ceiba, Steve Pagan. $10. 1028 Geary Blvd, SF. 415.339.8123 Saturday, November 15th - Silver Pearl presents _Quest_ Jeno, Eric Spire, Tony, Josh, Garth, Tracy, Mei-Lwun, Brother, Tom, Noel, UFO, Soulstice (live), Craig Russo (live). Visuals by Question Mark?. Flora Art and Edible Altars by Anthony Ward of Passionflora. Lasers by UV99, lots of FREE fruit. 415.273.5912 510.287.5620 408.278.5286 408.454.1555 Saturday, November 15th - Space Children presents An Evening With... Gigilo & Disko B Records an intimate gathering to warm up for Be Here Now. Featuring techno pioneers from Germany: DJ Hell, Acid Maria, DJ Naughty, US debut live performance by Acid Scout, Cesar, Twerk, West Coast debut live performance by Lunatic Calm (MCA/UK). $15 all night with a can of food Downtown SF venue limited to 700 Space Children 18+. SF. 415.273.1622 415.675.4700 Saturday, November 15th - _Mantis_ DJ Jasen (Candy/LA), Justin Johnson (Satellite/NY), DJ Bryan B, DJ Temple (Quest/Santa Barbara), DJ Jrem (Degabah System/CT), Yoda (SF). 415.675.5615 Saturday, November 15th - Viberation presents _Sinister_ Four on the floor: Micron, Greg (Harmony), Sho (Mad/FnF), Li, Andy W, Drum and breaks: Flux, Meeks, Science, Siphon, Re ach, special guest. limited capacity - presale tickets at Trance & Jungle Factory (Berkeley) and Solid Grooves (SJ) $10. east bay. 408.881.0898 Tuesday, November 18th - FTT presents Bentley Rhythm Ace 18+. Bimbo's, 1025 Columbus, SF. 415.474.0365 Tuesday, November 18th - Rhythm Music presents _Moby_ special guest Juno Reactor. $6 presale tickets available exclusively at Rhythm Music. 18+. the Edge, 260 California, Palo Alto. 408.298.8299 Wednesday, November 19th - _Moby & Juno Reactor_ 8pm- $16. The Fillmore, 1805 Geary @ Fillmore, SF. 415.346.6000 Thursday, November 20th - _Hiatus_ Garth, Jeno, Carlos, Resin (live). $7 with flyer. free before 9:30pm. 9pm-3am, 21+, $10. Club 181 , 181 Eddy @ Taylor., SF. Thursday, November 20th - _Pure Space_ Mark Farina, Jeno, Josh, Spun. Lightshows by Donovan & FU-KUU Hi-Fi. Free vegie food by Adnan/Eddie. 10pm-??, 21+. VSF, 278 11th St., SF. 415.487.7691 Friday, November 21st - SF House Collective presents _Love_ Jorge, Melanie, Jeno, Carlos, Jason. 415.615.8559 510.594.4076 Friday, November 21st - The Lounge & Fuz-E presents _T.H.C. (Total House Commitment)_ Rob Doten, DJ Dennis, Joe Harp, DJ Sol. Sacramento. 916.484.4040 Friday, November 21st - OM Records presents OM Lounge a thick, viscous and confusing blend of perplexing beats and mixtures Soulstice, Eighty Mile Beach, Mark Farina, Fluid Motion, Laron. 9pm-, 21+, $7. Justice League, 628 Divisadero, SF. 415.247.7734 Saturday, November 22nd - _ENIT Festival_ Jane's Addiction, Goldie, Funky Tekno Tribe, Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters, ResFest, more tba.... 9pm-6am, . Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, SF. Wednesday, November 26th - _The Green Gorilla Lounge_ Jeno, Spun, John Howard, Solar, M3, Peanut Butter Wolf, PJ. $5 before 11. Once a month. 21+, $7. the Germania, 261 North 2nd St @ Julian, San Jose. 408.747.7728 Friday, November 27th - Ultra 5 presents _Smarties_ one room - one vibe - one love Donald Glaude, Barry Weaver, DJ Dan, Jeno, Rick V (In Tha Mix), Bryen (In Tha Mix). 415.267.4849 408.984.4033 800.204.3986 916.484.4006 Friday, November 28th - Feel Good Entertainment presents The 'SPIRIT' of Giving: Thanksgiving PLURity VIBE-Fest Carlos, DRC, Tony, Mark Johns, Essence, Vertigo, MODA, Kevin Kind, Kwashi, Ghost & Frank Nitty, Tripnotix & Paucus, Josh Schwab & Corey, Macadio & Micron, The E-Team: DJ EFX & M2000 with Big Ed on congas, Dean Kroh, Moshe, Boomerang Fidget, Deepfog, Bloom, Spinner, Slim, Jeff Taisch, Ulrich, Chillz, Ray Vonie, surprise guests. DJ-Vision, Low-Tek-Land Chill Zone, Visuals by I-Candy, QuestionMark?, LSD and ViewMaster. a large portion of the proceeds will be donated to the Bay Area Homeless Alliance. This will be a smaller and more intimate Feel Good Family Happening in a fully permitted, safe and centrally located Bay Area location. 415.263.0483 510.888.2358 408.881.0785 Friday, November 28th - Square One & Togetha presents _Embrace_ Simon Apex, Markus, DJ Sol, J.P., DJ Dennis, DJ Rockit, Matt G, DJ Scot, Wyatt, Jimmy Zimms, Akira, Jus' tom, Bryen. 916.328.3559 Saturday, November 29th - Pro-Soy presents _Wyrd/Power of Love_ Wyrd (wierd) - an old Anglo-Saxon shamanic word of power meaning what is what is becoming. Deaks, Maya 13, special surprises in store.. Organic Fruit, Organic Chai, Free of course! Saturday, November 29th - Bigfloor - A New Beginning celebrating 4 years of smiles! Created in the Tribal Funk tradition! Upbeat Arena: DJ Dan, Donald Glaude on 4 turntables, Thomas Michael (LA), Tony, Jason Blakemore (DJ Trance/LA), Doran (LA), David Coleman, Downbeat Dimension: The Mammal (London, aka Thomas-Wicked), Cut Chemist (LA), Z-Trip & Radar (Phoenix, 4 turntables), Faust & Craze (Atlanta, 4 turntables), Charlotte the Baroness, Laron, more TBA. Proceeds from this event will be donated to benefit the Haight Ashbury Free Clinics. The BIGFLOOR has an _unlimited_ capacity! Don't stress about presale tickets. 415.905.4476 510.906.5339 Saturday, November 29th - Space Children presents the third annual Be Here Now exclusive live performance by Eat Static (UK), U.S. debut live performance by drum n' bass legend A Guy Called Gerald (UK), U.S. debut live performance by The Sugar Experiment Station (Scotland, aka Neil Landstrumm & Tobias Schmidt), Sativae Records founder Dave Tarrida (Scotland), Barry Weaver, Cesar, Graeme, Rock n' the House with DJ Preston, Galen, Planet Dog records founder Michael Dog (UK). limited $20 presale tix available soon. capacity limited to only 2000 Space Children, so pick up an advance ticket to secure your place. Maritime Hall, 450 Harrison St, SF. 415.675.4700 510.461.SPACE Saturday, November 29th - Get On It Productions presents _Sonic Boom_ Orbit, Radius, Max Alert, Scribbles, Panic, outdoor stage: Tina K, Sid, happy kill, Traffic, Devotion, special guests TBA. Visuals by freelance of LA. located 3 hours south of SF. visalia. 800.971.7896 800.971.8396 Saturday, December 6th - Togetha presents _Fun For Kids_ a Christmas toy drive for less fortunate children in Sacramento. Rick Preston, Matt G, Flash, Markus, J.P., John Michael, DJ Dennis, Mike Moss, Jus'tom, DJ Sol. Free with packaged toy donation Sacramento. 916.484.3791 Sunday, December 7th - _A Gathering in People's Park_ Treavor (Moontribe), Greg Sandler (Harmony), Linda Love, Shoam (A.R.M.), Tha Roman (yougoodmissy soundsystem), Michael (ygm/LA). Please bring a can of food to donate to the Berkeley Emergency Food Project 11am-6pm, All ages, Free. People's Park, , Berkeley. 510.308.1LOV(e) Friday, December 12nd - Psychophunkadelicious Productions presents _Playground_ Pyro, Micron, Thorfio, Macadio, Vertigo, Jelo & Fubari (XOR tag team), SK3, Science, Hak, Siphon, Sam, Pengo, Deepfog, Jeph, 64K, Lori, other special guests. This will be an epic underground event, dedicated to the SFRaves family experience. This party will be in an indoor centralized SF location. Tix on sale December 1st. SF. Saturday, December 20th - AmpedOnEntertainment presents _The Boondocks: Your 2nd Trip_ Amped OnEntertainment would like to invite everyone who showed up and Entered the Boondocks to join us for the second trip. Ghost (Ghostribe), Jeno, Garth, Pete Avila, Rafriki (Amped OnE). $15 b4 11:00 so arrive early. 9pm-, 18+. 1.800.956.2515 Wednesday, December 31st - _Come/Unity_ 415.241.8815 Wednesday, December 31st - Get On It Productions presents _EPIC_ new year's gathering of the minds! Koo-Kane, Orbit, Sid, Radius, Traffic, Scribbles, Tina K, W.O.W., Panic, Devotion, Happy Kill. located 3 hours south of SF in middle california....uniting the state. 9pm-9am, . 800.971.7896 800.971.8396 Saturday, January 10th - Ghostribe Productions presents Acid Breaks 2 The 1 Year Anniversary Carlos, DJ Ghost, Frank Nitty, Miss Knight, Joey, Kwashi, Tripnotix, Noel, UFO, Rent, Star Eyes, Flux, MC Phluid, Hak, introducing Oscar Meyer. more to come... 415.273.1474 510.986.9227 408.881.0678 Saturday, January 17th - Space Children presents All Together Now 3 year anniversary Expect an absolutely stellar line up from all around our beautiful planet. 415.675.4700 510.461.SPACE Saturday, January 17th - _Planet Rock_ John Aquaviva, (charles) feelgood, DJ Dan, donald glaude, jim hopkins, kid bippy, sugarhill gang, grandmaster flash, del tha funkee homosapien, invisibl skratch piklz, emil & z-trip, danny da wild child, r.a.w., 119 crew, phunckateck. much more to be announced 415.675.5603 510.869.4137 916.492.5477 Saturday, January 24th - 6 in da mornin productions presents _Ground Zero 3: the Resurrection_ after a year in the making, this party will include internationally recognized talent, plenty of free giveaways. DJ lineup to be revealed on November 15th. 800.590.7032 Saturday, January 24th - _Lightseed One Year_ Benefitting the world's rainforests DJs and other performing info to come. 415.458.0337 707.329.2189 Saturday, January 31st - Fresh-E Productions presents _In House We Trust_ Jeno, Tony, Simon, Carlos, Mellanie, Pat Allen, Jazz-e, Moda, Shaft, Paucus, Kwashi, Essence, Spinner, Tripnotix, Kimo. Visuals by Multimedia Meltdown. more info TBA. Saturday, February 14th - Feel Good Entertainment presents Love A-Fair '98 Valentine's Day PLURity Vibe-Fest and Six year anniversary Much more info to follow... 415.263.0483 _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... Thursday _Sharpshooter_ - acid jazz, hip hop, soul w/DJs George, Aural B, Romanowski, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $4. elbo room, 647 Valencia, SF. 415.552.7788 Anthem - house, funk, disco w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jorge Martinez, Sista Black, guests. 10pm-6am, 21+, $3. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.978.0181 _Sprung_ - funk meets the future w/DJs Manny Rosa, the Baroness, Jimmm the dj, guests. alternate Thursdays (10/30...) 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. _Royal Jelly_ - explorations in creative and social behaviour. Sound experiments in digital rhythm and note fantasies w/DJs Lefebvrier, Toph, Travis, guest DJs and live acts weekly. 7pm-, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th St @ So.Van Ness, SF. _Vibe_ - deep acid trance, gay, bi and straight w/DJs Jon Bush, Natalie Dierickx. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Stud, 9th & Harrison, SF. _karmachanics_ - house music w/DJs Erin, Krista. Alternate Thursdays. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. [11.20 - Erin, Mark E.Quark] _Kit Kat_ - house. 10pm-4am, 21+. the End Up, 6th & Harrison, SF. [11.20 - Farley & Heller (Junior Boys' Own/London), $10] _Mosaic_ - Mauricio, the Baroness, Shannon, Franky. begins July 17th. 7 Spring St between Kearny & Montgomery, SF. _Trainspotters_ - UK Progressive House w/DJs DJ Phat Pat, guests. 21+, $3. 1333 Columbus @ North Point, SF. _Eklektic_ - jungle w/DJs StarEyes, Sage, weekly guests. $3 before 11 10p-2a, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 279 Howard @ 2nd, SF. 415.332.5800 x24-7 the kitchen sink - Stareyes, Monty, Joe Rice, guests. $2 before 10p. 9:30p-2a, 18+, $4. Blake's, 2367 Telegraph @ Durant, Berkeley. [11.13 - star eyes, james (tweekin'), monty] Friday Nikita - house, techno w/DJs Simon, Jeno, David Michael, Jerry Bonham. Broadcast live on the net at www.1015.com. Downstairs, Sticks and Stones- provacateurs of Bass present Drum + Bassment with resident DJ Kayar. 10pm-6am, 21+, $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568 [11.14 - Chris Fortier (Orlando)] [11.21 - Frankie Knuckles] [11.28 - Dave Angel (England)] [12.5 - Robbie Hardiss, Gavin Hardkiss, Scott Hardkiss] [12.12 - DJ Icey] _Sea Monkeys_ - The World's Only Instant Live Party! w/DJs Romanowski, the Formaggio's, guests. $3 before 11 10pm-3am, 21+, $5. Minna Street Gallery, 111 Minna St, SF. 415.974.1719 _Liquid_ - rare groove, trip hop, drum & bass, abstract beats w/DJs Groove Merchant DJs, Tom Thump, Cool Chris. 7pm-, 21+. Liquid, 2925 16th St @ So.Van Ness, SF. Fusion - house w/DJs Pat Allen, TJ, Jay R, Larry Live, Phil Salter, Cameron, Mark Engler, Rob Bishop. 3 DJs per night, free before 10pm. 9pm-4am, 21+, $5. 1220 Pine St, Walnut Creek. _Product_ - house w/DJs Norman 'The Truth' Stradley, sherif, Jay-J, Marc Jellybear, DJ Fuze. 21+. the Sound Factory, 525 Harrison St, SF. 415.979.8686 _JR's/Club X_ - 2 Dancefloors w/DJs DJ Allen (Club X), DJ Charles (JR's). $9 for the under 21 crowd. 8p-4a, 18+, $5. 2520 Camino Diablo, Walnut Creek. 510.256.1200 _Heat_ - Paul. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. 2200 Harvard (in Club Avalon inside the Hilton), Sacramento. 916.922.4700 _Moist and Delicious_ - Mellow hip-jazz to rollin' dnb w/DJs Jake, Visa, guests. 8pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Skylark, 16th & Valencia, SF. _beware of the naughty nurse_ - house w/DJs Robbie Hardkiss. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _In Depth_ - The deep beats of jazz w/DJs Thomas Roberts. 10pm-4am, . 450 Harrison @ 1st, SF. Drunkyn Mastyrz - hip-hop breaks and jungle w/DJs Drunkyn Mastyrz, dayzr. every first friday of the month. 10pm-2am, Free. The Attic, 3336 24th St @ Bartlett, SF. _Abstract Soul_ - house w/DJs Corey Black, Loren, Solar, guests. free before 11. 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard St, SF. [11.14 - Solar, Mark Farina] _Stir-Fri-Day_ - drum & bass-dub-hip-hop-house-funk-rare grooves w/DJs guests weekly. 5pm-9pm, 21+. Minna St Gallery, 111 Minna St, SF. _Liquid_ - Sugar-D, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $5. Neptune's, 5990 S Land Park Dr, Sacramento. 916.452.9823 Saturday _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Nobel, Vince, Christine, Daniel, guests. saturday morning 5:30am-3pm, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF. 415.208.7665 _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr. Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457 _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights. 10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903 Loveworks - house w/DJs Dani, Matt Valenz, guests. i.a.o [inspiration aaron o] 9pm-infinity, . 111 Minna Street, SF. 415.646.0744 GrassRoots - growing the freshest in house beats. w/DJs kelvin k, Uneke, Adonis, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. 415.864.7386 _Pablo's Sugar Shack_ - SF's Funkiest House and Rare-Jazzy Grooves w/DJs Taj, Jay-J, Lele, Buna, Monty, Markiss, Mofo, Roman, SFRaves lounge + guests. 10pm-afterhours, 21+, $10. VSF, 278 Folsom @ 11th, SF. 415.668.2476 [11.15 - Donald Glaude] [11.22 - Markiss Anthony] [11.29 - Nobel] [12.6 - Garth] _Moist and Delicious_ - Mellow hip-jazz to rollin' dnb w/DJs Jake, Visa, guests. 8pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Skylark, 16th & Valencia, SF. _RoM_ - an evening of sophisticated deep house... w/DJs Chad Mitchell. 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th St, SF. 415.289.6833 _i Heard That_ - house w/DJs Alain del Corazon, Ruben Mancias, Chris Lum, Rasoul, guests. 9:30pm-2am, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard St, SF. 415.626.9097 _Heavy_ - house, trip hop w/DJs Laron (Black Diamond), DJ Buna (Obora Records), Felix the Dog (Black Diamond). 10pm-2am, 21+. 1028 Geary St @ Polk, SF. 415.605.7949 Sunday Spundae - House, Techno w/DJs Carlos, David Michael, weekly guests. free b4 10:30p 10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. 415.974.9389 _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore, SF. 415.771.2583 _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, Ruben Mancias, guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256 _Mix Lounge_ - techno, house, jungle w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 9pm-2am, $4. 2513 Van Ness, SF. 415.928.0404 _Dub Mission_ - SF's only dub night w/DJs Sep, J.Boogie, Ludichris, other surprises. 9pm-, 21+, $3. the Elbo Room, 647 Valencia @ 17th, SF. 415.552.7788 _Plush_ - house, jungle, trance, ambient w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 9:30p-2a, 21+, $3. 2708 J St, Sacramento. 916.484.4285 _ultra magnetic/left coast chronicles_ - jungle, drum n bass w/DJs abstract, spell, jason mouse, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _float_ - chillin' house beats in a new space w/DJs John Howard, Jason Mouse, Erin (409). 10p-2a, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th @ Mission, SF. 415.431.8889 _Breakfast at Tiffany's_ - Serving deep house w/DJs Para, Victor, Nickola. complimentary breakfast (bagels, fresh fruit, pastries) 9am-5pm, 21+. DNA Lounge, 375 11th St, SF. 415.635.6906 _Super8000_ - analogus expeririments in the chemical composition of celluloid and wax. 21+. Edinburgh Castle, 950 Geary @ Polk, SF. _Nice_ - house, techno w/DJs Spun, special guests. free before 11. 21+, $5. basement of the Agenda, , San Jose. _Jungle Love_ - thumpin variety of drum and bass w/DJs Sifu, Gamekat, MC Angel, guests. $5 before 11pm. 9pm-3am, 21+, $7. 161 Eddy St, SF. 415.281.0772 _gravity_ - funk, dub, hip hop, jungle w/DJs tomas, andrew jervis, markus, guests weekly. on the mic: jamalski 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. upstairs at Paradise, 11th & Folsom, SF. 415.974.4358 [11.16 - Joe Rice] [11.23 - Abstract] [11.30 - Ron & Vanka (Stellar Trax)] [12.7 - Solar] _Four Four Baby_ - an afternoon of house music w/DJs patrick, lamont, chris orr. 3pm-10pm, 21+, $6. il pirata, 16th St @ Potrero, SF. 415.626.2626 Monday _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu, stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151 Folsom St, SF. _Phreak Mode_ - Bass, Booty and Beat Trax w/DJs DJ Positive P, Kit Clayton (One Jack Mind), Jim, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight, SF. _Beat Box_ - drum'n'bass, jungle, downtempo w/DJs Val. 9:30pm-, 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th St, SF. _Noc Noc_ - Drum'n'bass, downtempo and electronica w/DJs Mohsen. every other Monday. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. 557 Haight St, SF. 415.861.5811 _One_ - techno, trance w/DJs Ulf, T.C., guests. Visuals by Eyetribe.8pm-2am, 21+, $4. the Cellar, 685 Sutter @ Taylor, SF. _Undertow_ - hardcore, techno, jungle. every other Monday starting August 25th. More details to follow... 21+, $2. Mansion Pub, 132 Est., Davis. 916.759.7163 _NO TV _- From Pure Ambient to House in 7 hours w/DJs Wunjo, Henrik Rosal. $5 b4 10pm. Every other Monday. 8:30pm-3:30am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.675.9899 [11.17 - Andrew Rawnsley] _Spackle_ - house, techno w/DJs Sean, guests weekly. 6am-12:30pm, 21+, $4. 1028 Geary Ave, SF. _Mondays on Hayes_ - house, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. starts in November. 21+, Free. 520 Hayes, SF. _Curveball_ - a midtempo night's dream w/DJs Smove, Rhyme Scheme, Tony Scott, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. Club Paradise, 1028 Geary Blvd., SF. 415.605.9057 _Density_ - 98% Concentrated Urban Beats saturated with Drum & Bass Deconstructions w/DJs Al Simmons, Fluid Motion (Om/Mephisto), Paul (On The One), Aural B (Sharpshooter), Moc. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Justice League, 628 Divisadero, SF. 415.440.0409 Tuesday _Eclectic_ - house, jungle, drum & bass w/DJs Yamu, Siege, Franko, Foster, guests. Fresh fruit & condoms to all 9pm-2am, 21+. Paradise Bar & Grill, 5356 College Ave, Oakland. _Rhythm_ - house, techno w/DJs Daniel, Stevian, Mark Willson, Mark Silva, live congas by Brian, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. Greg's Bar, 551 W.Julian/Montgomery, San Jose. 408.286.4388 _Buggin' Out and the terrorist society_ - drum'n'bass for your head space on the 11th of every month w/DJs mateo, push, gamekat. 9:30p-, 21+, $3. cafe mars, 798 Brannan, SF. 415.522.2343 _Pure_ - house w/DJs Brian Brandon, guests. 9pm-, 18+. The Rage, 1890 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.929.0232 Static - Techno, Drum & Bass, Downtempo, Electro w/DJs ReAch, Quantum, Brad, Darin Marshall, Sutekh, guests. 10pm-2am, $2. 2925 16th @ S Van Ness, SF. _Get Energy_ - an evening of energetic fusion w/DJs Mark Farina. 21+, $5. V/SF, 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. 415.635.6906 _Sedate Grooves_ - downbeat, drum'n'bass, breaks, hip hop and weird noises w/DJs David, Erik (Phunkatech), weekly guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _Move_ - house w/DJs DJ Josh, guests weekly. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. 1028 Geary @ Polk, SF. _Vision Quest_ - Joe Lanza, Will, Dice, JKR, weekly guests. 9p-2a, 21+, $5. 1655 B Willow Pass Rd, Concord. 510.594.4007 _Spin Cycle_ - guests weekly. 7pm-10pm, Free. the Black Box Cabaret, 3rd St & 4th Avenue, Monterey. Wednesday _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first Wednesday of the month. 10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815 _Phunckatech_ - jungle, hiphop w/DJs UFO, Juju, Abstract, Spell, Noel, Jason Mouse, S.C.U.B.A. SKWAD DJs Charlie Bucket and Beatjakr. 10pm-3am, 18+, $5. Cat's Grill and Alley, 1190 Folsom, SF. 415.331.1500x16 _JR's Club_ - house, trance w/DJs DJ Allen. 8pm-2am, Free. 2520 Camino Diablo, Walnut Creek. 510.256.1200 _monophonic_ - Minimal Techno, Progressive House w/DJs Corey Black, Perfect, Lauren, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th @ S Van Ness, SF. _ElectroniKa_ - Spesh, Kimon, Gil. Visuals by Hyperdelic.Fantastic Vibe. 5pm-9pm, Free. 111 Minna St, SF. _Recline_ - rare and abstract w/DJs Wisdom, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard @ 2nd., SF. 415.824.9878 _Count Your Blessings_ - house w/DJs Miquel, Alain Del Corazon. wednesday night/thursday morning after Come/Unity. 5:30am-noon, . Cat's Grill, 1190 Folsom St, SF. _Escape_ - ali, mitch, hutch, special guests. Jax House, 1145 N.Fulton, Fresno. 209.268.4289 _The Lounge_ - house w/DJs house DJs from near and far. 10p-2a, 21+, $3. The Red Lion Inn, 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.484.3706 _Twist_ - Deep and Swing House w/DJs Christopher, weekly guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $5. the Beer Cellar, 685 Sutter @ Taylor, SF. 415.317.1754 _the Bulletproof Social_ - jazz, soul, latin, house, disco, dub, jungle w/DJs kevin, george, jayson, richard, kirsten, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. nickie's, 484 haight st, SF. The Basement Lounge - house w/DJs Miguel "Migs", rotating deep dj's weekly. Club 1028, 1028 Geary @ Polk, SF. 415.376.1176 _sofalize_ - ...next level loungin' w/DJs rotating DJs. donations appreciated...bring i.d. and please respect the space. full coffee bar / literature. 9pm-. 415.789.8308 _the Vinyl Treetmnt_ - house, jungle, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. 415.522.2343 _Mr Frisky_ - Mike LeFebvrier, Toph (Royal Jelly). 10pm- $6. Infusion, 555 2nd St b/w Bryant & Brannan., SF. 415.346.SPOT _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * the Buzz-line, a global party network - 415.569.3300 * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 8pm-10pm - "Soundz of Resistance" w/DJ Poohbear. Underground electronic music, mainly jungle/drum and bass, dub and hard techno along with guest DJs, interviews and not-so-random amples of life. KZSC 88.1 (Santa Cruz) * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Sunday night midnight-1am - "Shortwave" - Electronic music in all of its guises. KALX, 90.7 FM (Berkeley) * Wednesday night 9pm-11pm - free form music mix. KPFA 94.1 (Berkeley) * Wednesday night/Thursday morning - "the tube" hosted by miss laura aka lola. an electronic excursion into ambient soundscapes, ethereal trance, and washes of other whimsical muzik. KAZU 90.3 (Monterey Bay Community Radio) * Thursday morning 10am-2pm - "The Further Adventures of Aardvark" - trip-hop to experimental to ambient to gabba etc, etc. KSJS 90.5 (San Jose). * Thursday 5pm-9pm - The Beta Lounge - Live netcast of jungle, dub, breakbeat, hiphop, ambient, experimental. http://www.betalounge.com/ * Thursday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. The best in beats to satiate your inner child. Electronic dance, noise, spoken word, world music and more. Also available in RealAudio. KZSU 90.1 (Stanford) * Friday 3pm-6pm - free form music mix. KUSF 90.3 (SF) (also available on Realaudio * Friday 9:30am-noon - Snappy the Aligator plays deep groove music that dips into cool electronic sounds, classic soul, reggae & more. KALX, 90.7 FM (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Jungle, Detroit, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday night 9pm-mid - "Underbrush" w/DJ Radon and guests - Beats, Breakz and Buzz KZSU 90.1 (Stanford). Also broadcast via RealAudio. * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@flux.net * (every other) Saturday night 10p-12:30a - "1984" w/DJ Richtoffen. House, Trance and German rave. 90.1 (Chico) * Saturday night - "amp" 1am. MTV. * Saturday night - "Subsonic". 1am-6am, KITS 105.3 SF. * Saturday night - "House Nation" w/"Anthems Mix", Top 10s from guest DJs and "London Connection w/DJ Doubt". 2am-4am, WILD 94.9 SF. * Ambiance Magazine - 9:30p weds-sun PNC Cable 2 (Modesto & Oakdale), 9p fri & sat, marcus cable ch 9 (ceres & turlock). _________________________________________________________________ For a _search_ interface to the calendar, see the Late Train club section (http://www.latetrain.com/clubs/). _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.org with either the line subscribe sfraves-calendar or unsubscribe sfraves-calendar There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.org with the line subscribe sfraves in the body of the message. Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 01:48:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25545 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 01:48:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 25536 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 01:48:42 -0000 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net (207.93.14.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 01:48:42 -0000 Received: from [207.93.14.13] ([207.93.14.13] verified) by tapeheads.ednet.net (Stalker SMTP Server 1.5) with ESMTP id S.0000011358 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:48:20 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:48:57 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Joe Rice Subject: (bsp) kitchen sink correction Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Tonight's lineup os Star Eyes, Monty, and James. Honey B is playing next week. Sorry for the erroneous info. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 02:02:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27941 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 02:01:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 27933 invoked by uid 24); 14 Nov 1997 02:01:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9547 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 00:55:34 -0000 Received: from fw2.mdbe.com (HELO fw.mdbe.com) (206.79.133.35) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 00:55:34 -0000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by fw.mdbe.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA03001 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:13:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711140113.RAA03001@fw.mdbe.com> Received: from unknown(192.206.97.23) by fw.mdbe.com via smap (V1.3) id smaa02994; Thu Nov 13 17:13:05 1997 Received: by SF-EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:54:18 -0800 From: "Navarro, Maria" To: Brian Benitez , sfraves Subject: Re: First Rave Experience Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:57:00 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk OSMOSIS - ooooeeeee that sets me back. I still have those spaceship flyers! Remember the lights and the staircase? Rave called Sharon, Mr. Floppy's, Love Garage, Toon Town (Do not forget the carnival), The BART parties (yes kids - we partied on BART until BART stopped running) Oh my god it is all coming back to me. :) :) More later. Right now I have technical and network questions to answer for work. Technology Services keepin me busy. ---------- From: Brian Benitez To: sfraves Subject: Re: First Rave Experience Date: Thursday, November 13, 1997 1:56PM OK, old timer alert... "back in my day, we usedta... My first few raves were at the club called Osmosis, upstairs at the DV8 every thursday night. I had just turned 21 (this was 1991), and I *hated* dance music. I was a longhair rocker boy at the time... but some friends were going there a lot, and telling me how much fun it was etc etc. Since I had recently come of age, I decided to go and check out something new (college parties at Berkeley were getting old). I also went because I was curious about ecstasy, which my friends said they would be doing that night. So, my first rave was also my first e. Whotta combo... it blew my mind and changed my life forever. But that's another story. The experience definitely opened up my ears to a whole new world of music that I had never even considered. Osmosis was a cool club, nicely mixed, happy crowd and lots of good house music headed up by DJ Pete Avila. The upstairs space at the DV8 was a nice space, for those of you who haven't been (do they still throw anything there? I know that the DV8's being changed to, or is already, a chi-chi "supper club"). Lots of different "theme rooms" to play in, some with bedding, comfy chairs, etc. Film loops and some decent visuals (at the time) rounded the space out and made it feel a million miles away from the general cheeziness of the main DV8 club downstairs. I liked Osmosis a lot, it had a good long run before the whole scene started getting really commercial and ugly. It felt nice, happy and decadent in the same breath. Some pretty wild stuff went down there, but it was all good. After that, the parties that stick in my mind are: Sunny Side Up - the Hardkiss' early party; early toontowns (and hey, it's kinda nice to see toontown coming back for another run around. could be a good new years' thing...); random parties at what is now the Gold Club, or the basment of big heart city (now IHOP); and Mr. Floppy's and other parties at that fucked up "1300" warehouse in Oakland. Epic techno house was the order of the day, it's funny how dated that stuff sounds now - even though it's not all that old. Big, loud clothing, huge floppy hats, the old guy with the staff keeping the parties "stocked." Speaking from the old timer perspective, it's been interesting to watch the scene as it's unfolded from the underground to the mainstream, to the overly-commercial sickness that spread in 1992-3, then back underground; more recently beginning the current upswing in popularity 'cause of the music industry's discovery of "electronica." It's nice to see it happening a little differently now - the underground is staying under, keeping it real; and the commercial shit is flopping bigtime, or succeeding with a crowd that wouldn't know the difference. And they can keep it. What hasn't changed, unfortunately (and here comes the crotchety old man), is the plethora of kids taking waaay too many drugs, waaay too often, for no good reason; kids who get so sucked into the 'scene' that they lose touch with just about everything else, and it becomes their life. That's a dead end road, and I've seen too many friends burnt and wasted down there... plurry enthusiasm for the scene is one thing, but remember that there's a lot more to life than the next party. Keep your head up! > >---Julie Hayes wrote: >> >> I know there are a lot of newbie-virginraver lurker types out there, >so I thought it would be cool to hear those that aren't so newbie tell >us about their first raving experience..........music/dj's; clothing; >people; vibe; date?; reaction. etc...... >> >> Peace and Love >> Julie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Beta Lounge - http://www.betalounge.com/ Live on the net every Thursday, 6-10 PM Pacific Time (Fridays 1-5 AM GMT) Electronic music and culture, worldwide ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 02:02:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28485 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 02:02:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 28475 invoked by uid 24); 14 Nov 1997 02:02:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 11785 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 23:03:51 -0000 Received: from skippy.construct.net (HELO CONSTRUCT.NET) (208.198.184.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 23:03:51 -0000 Received: from khali.construct.net (khali.construct.net [208.198.184.75]) by CONSTRUCT.NET (8.8.8/2.5) with SMTP id OAA21432; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:56:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971113145508.007bb390@mail.construct.net> X-Sender: iron@mail.construct.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:59:38 -0800 To: loveworks@sfstation.com From: nori Subject: fall into love Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk LoveWorks is giving back during the seasons of love at 111 minna street gallery, this and every saturday no door cover, donation will be asked to keep us going dani is back from the u.k., always there our matt valenz dave has the walls covered with his hyperdelic visions and always our down home house feeling, keeping the love working, dianna, mark & me. 415.646.0744 loveline http://www.sfstation.com/clubs/loveworks.htm i.a.o. and for your new year's eve plans... toontown san francisco's original "cyber disco" is back 415.703.7107 toonline http://www.sfstation.com/toontown From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 02:38:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8197 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 02:38:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 8188 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 02:38:02 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 02:38:02 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12341; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:47:37 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jsl-thz@v-site.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19971113211358.8950.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:39:12 -0800 To: Brian Benitez From: Megan Haggerty Subject: Re: First Rave Experience Cc: sfraves Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 1:56 PM -0800 11/13/97, Brian Benitez wrote: (snip) >What hasn't changed, unfortunately (and here comes the crotchety old man), >is the plethora of kids taking waaay too many drugs, waaay too often, for >no good reason; kids who get so sucked into the 'scene' that they lose >touch with just about everything else, and it becomes their life. That's a >dead end road, and I've seen too many friends burnt and wasted down >there... plurry enthusiasm for the scene is one thing, but remember that >there's a lot more to life than the next party. > >Keep your head up! > I must agree. I'd also like to add that if there was one thing I could change about my drug experiences, it would be the age at which I started doing them. Too much A before I even knew how to deal with it. Smoking way too much weed, way too often when I should have been at home doing homework. In hindsight, I didn't have any business doing all that shit at the age I was doing it. Would have been better to wait until I had a stronger identity, rather than trying to form my identity throgh the purple haze. Bye now, Megan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 02:58:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15093 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 02:58:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 15084 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 02:58:49 -0000 Received: from puertopollo.lucasarts.com (firewall-user@204.71.70.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 02:58:49 -0000 Received: by puertopollo.lucasarts.com; id SAA25264; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:51:31 -0800 Received: from fandango.lucasarts.com(144.0.100.82) by puertopollo.lucasarts.com via smap (3.2) id xma025259; Thu, 13 Nov 97 18:51:25 -0800 Received: from tanis.lucaslearning.com (tanis [144.0.230.20]) by fandango.lucasarts.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24801 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by tanis.lucaslearning.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:57:01 -0800 Message-ID: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211ACE32@tanis.lucaslearning.com> From: Josh Damon Williams To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: meet at Spring Heel Jack? Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:57:01 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i don't know many of you ppl, but if you're passing by shj tonite and see me (wearing a red ssf bball jersey and a northwest airline ground crew shirt with reflective tape stripes on the sleeves) feel free to respond accordingly... see you there, maybe. everyone else, have a wonderful evening. josh From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 03:09:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19085 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 03:09:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 19075 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 03:09:53 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 03:09:53 -0000 Received: from hikaru-mccarthy (Roses@ppp-206-170-33-121.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.33.121]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA08925 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:09:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346BBDFE.28FC@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:57:02 -0800 From: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" Reply-To: mickeymc@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-PBWG (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: JUNGLE LOVE eeb se eep < BSP > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ____JuNgLe LoVe____ weekly drum'n bass at... 161 Eddy < @ Taylor > SF 21 and over 7$/5$ before 11 9pm till 3 am 415 281 0772 With Resident DJ's SIFU and GAMEKAT and this week's guests are: RINSE < B.A.S.S. Kru > SERENITY < Catarac Crew > make it out there kidz... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 04:07:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1705 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 04:07:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 1676 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 04:07:09 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 04:07:09 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA17951; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:06:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:06:40 -0500 (EST) From: ERMODA@aol.com Message-ID: <971113230640_1170527501@mrin39> To: groovinkim@connectexpress.com, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: moving to sf and need advice? also: new years? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk 1) SF State 2) Oakland (near Lake Merritt, Rockridge Area, Montclair) 3) West or East Oakland, Filllmore District (SF), Tenderloin District re: NYE: Toon Town '98 8) GOOD LUCK! MODA From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 04:57:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11819 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 04:57:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 11801 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 04:57:21 -0000 Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.119.93) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 04:57:21 -0000 Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager [206.173.119.82]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id XAA16542; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:57:19 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from localhost by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id XAA01483; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:57:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:57:18 -0500 (EST) From: LAKSMI To: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" cc: chris , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (lack of)SNOW UPDATE :o) In-Reply-To: <346974F6.12F4@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, mickeymc@pacbell.net wrote: > LAKSMI wrote: > > > > ummm... it's snowing up here right now :)))))) > the only question in my mind is... HOW MUCH IZ ONNA SLOPES? Well, enough for the resorts to project opening in the next couple of weeks. it's still snowing by the way and i'm getting ready to have to start the seasonal shovel before work ritual.... *********************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forests, go naked in the summertime that you regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. J.W. Parsons *********************************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 05:00:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12577 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 05:00:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 12568 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 05:00:48 -0000 Received: from darius.concentric.net (root@207.155.184.79) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 05:00:48 -0000 Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager.concentric.net [206.173.119.82]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id AAA17477; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:00:44 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from localhost by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id AAA01880; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:00:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:00:43 -0500 (EST) From: LAKSMI To: Layne Loomis cc: CheerioHN@aol.com, chris@thirdage.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: SFRAVES SNOW ADVENTURE(and snow update) In-Reply-To: <19971112154327.4365.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I know a few people who rent out cabins here on the South shore, I'll see if they would be willing to rent them out or if they can point you in the right direction. You know, Steve-o was the person who organized all three of the previous SFRaves Cabin trips....I would enlist his advice. *********************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forests, go naked in the summertime that you regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. J.W. Parsons *********************************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 06:34:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29108 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 06:34:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 29090 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 06:34:17 -0000 Received: from mrin46.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin46.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.156) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 06:34:17 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA23129 for SFraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:33:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: XGrRLsTrX@aol.com Message-ID: <971114013348_561277940@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: SFraves@hyperreal.org Subject: have a WONDERful time! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was SUPPOSED to go to this party!!!! Then I find out that I have to move earlier than I expected. I was supposed to move next weekend, but my dear mother informs me that I have to have ALL my stuff packed by Saturday afternoon, and I'm not even CLOSE to being done! I need my energy for the move, so I'm afraid I can't use it up on this party =*( I hope everyone going has an awesome time, I'm suuuuureeee you all will. I'd love to hear how the party went! Hopefully, I'll see you all ~`next`~ weekend...'cus I'm gonna be celebrating my *birthday* then! do you think you can hang tough whentherhythmgetsrough andthedjsays ithinkyou'vehadenough? -=~*LaUrE@*~=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 06:35:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29962 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 06:35:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 29954 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 06:35:34 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 06:35:34 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12432; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:45:06 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jsl-thz@v-site.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:36:41 -0800 To: *byroni* From: Megan Haggerty Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay kids, I have a recipie for THE BOMB soup. It is veg (sorry, not vegan) and perfect for Thanksgiving. I made it last year and it was the hit of the dinner! Even the meat eaters loved it! (This recipie comes from a super yummy cookbook entitled 365 WAYS TO COOK VEGETARIAN by Kitty Morse.) Here goes... PUMPKIN & CARROT BISQUE prep time: 15 minutes (excluding pumpkin cook time) cook time: 15-17 minutes serves: 4 3 carrots, peeled & sliced 2 cups cooked fresh or solid-pack canned pumpkin (or cooked butternut squash) **cook 1 1/2 - 2 lb. pumpkin in 350 degree oven for about an hour **if using canned pumpkin, reduce amount by 1/4 cup 1 (14 1/2 oz) can vegetable broth 1/2 cup dry sherry 2 cups heavy cream 1 tsp salt 1/2 tsp white pepper 1 tsp curry powder 1. In med. saucepan, cook carrot slices in 1/4 cup water, covered, over med. heat unitl tender, 10-12 minutes. 2. Transfer carrots with any liquid remaining in pan to blender or food processor. Ad pumpkin and broth and puree until smooth. Return puree to saucepan. 3. Bring soup to a simmer and add sherry. Cook, stirring, 2 minutes. Add cream, salt, pepper, & curry powder. Heat through, stirring occasionally. about 3 minutes. 4. ladle soup into bowls. Dust with a little curry powder & serve! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 06:56:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3975 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 06:56:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 3967 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 06:56:54 -0000 Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 06:56:54 -0000 Received: (from jasonelee@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id B{S21657; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:56:24 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:56:27 -0800 Subject: whats in it for you... Message-ID: <19971113.225629.5903.0.jasonelee@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,7-14 From: jasonelee@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk go here... www.djmike.com/promomag we want to feature any dj, any musician, we will offer you a site, some real audio space and whatever else you feel that would benefit/promote yourself or your parties... let me know... if you have a website, we will link you in exchange for a link to us... check us out! email me back for links at jasonelee@juno.com or on ICQ my number is 4167063 add me to your ICQ looking forward to kickin it with you Jason www.djmike.com/promomag From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 06:58:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4575 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 06:58:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 4559 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 06:58:28 -0000 Received: from norway-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO norway.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.49) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 06:58:28 -0000 Received: from 38.10.6.228 (ip228.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net [38.10.6.228]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21554; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:58:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346ADD75.1D57@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:59:01 +0000 From: Fate Reply-To: rewindop@earthlink.net Organization: Up N Running X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: *byroni* CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: My first Vegetarian Thanksgiving... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk *byroni* wrote: > > Hi peoples... > > I was wondering how many of your are Vegetarians.. This is my first year > as a Vegetarian and I'm wondering what it will be like around Thanksgiving > and Xmas. No Turkey (don't mind) or a lot of other carnige (sp?).... I'll > have to tell my mom and grandma to make extra non-meat entrees for little > ole' me. The funny thing is that most of my family doesn't even know I'm a > Vegetarian and are probably going to freak..... ha. > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" Byroni, this was hard for me my first time(as I was bombarded by jokes and insults) I ended up just having xtras of Mashed Potatoes and rolls. Now a days my Mom will cook Vegatarian for me. I recently saw an advertisement for a Meatless Turkey, at I think Wold Oats(might want to look into it). It will be an experience..... Fate From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 07:01:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5307 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 07:01:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 5297 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 07:01:16 -0000 Received: from raven.dartmouth.edu (dsp@129.170.111.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 07:01:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (dsp@localhost) by raven.dartmouth.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA32741 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 05:56:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 05:56:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Garrett P. James" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: vegan (vXe) thanksgiving Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk if anyone knows where an openminded kinda crazy vegan raver might be welcome for thanksgiving id be totaly welcome to help cook/prepare/chop i would like to eat with people that are truly thankful but my family is 3500 miles from here and my mom is dying and i have no money and i would like to help in somethig solid-family likeplease. thanks a lot ...all of a sudden i just got really sad i need a hug -garrett From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 07:07:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6203 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 07:07:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 6183 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 07:07:05 -0000 Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 07:07:05 -0000 Received: (from jasonelee@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id C~T21657; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:06:40 EST To: frosting@mailexcite.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:00:14 -0800 Subject: Re: needing turntables! Message-ID: <19971113.230637.5903.1.jasonelee@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-9,11-29 From: jasonelee@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I've got one table...... for sale..... its good for starters... and it mimics the 1200 in alot of ways, but then it doesn't come close to my 12's...... its a Gemini and its cheap, and it will get you going, let me know if your interested! Jason jasonelee@juno.com www.djmike.com/promomag On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:17 -0700 "Amber Marie Lawraine Nixon" writes: >Got tables? I'm tired of having my friend's pimp out theirs, I want >MINE!! There >aren't enough chick-DJs out there and I've decided to do something >about it. I love >the music too much to listen passively. >If you have tables to sell, or know where I could get a good >deal...PLEASE write. > Thank you!!! >Lusing for vinyl... >>:) Amber >--- >"Oh, bother" said Pooh as he looked down at Piglet's mangled body. > > > >Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! >http://www.mailexcite.com > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 07:33:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9042 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 07:33:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 9034 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 07:33:32 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 07:33:32 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CLZ27242; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:33:10 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: words from a nerds bird. Message-ID: <19971113.233501.9791.1.foolish_fish1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-25 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:33:10 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Some foolish things to tell your friends when you cant think of anything better to say.... -Dr. Seuss coined the word "nerd" in his 1950 book "If I Ran the Zoo" -There are an average of 178 sesame seeds on a McDonald's Big Mac bun. -When Heinz ketchup leaves the bottle, it travels at a rate of 25 miles per year. -The Bible has been translated into Klingon. -On average, 100 people choke to death on ballpoint pens every year. -Reno, Nevada is west of Los Angeles, California. -Average age of top GM executives in 1994: 49.8 years. Average age of the Rolling Stones: 50.6. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 08:06:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12276 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 08:06:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 12268 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 08:06:26 -0000 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (128.32.155.12) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 08:06:26 -0000 Received: from put-79-58.reshall.berkeley.edu (put-79-58.Reshall.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.79.58]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA18734 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:06:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971113003428.006af1fc@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: jessicab@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:34:28 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "J E $ $ ! C @ !!!!" Subject: Re: First Rave Experience In-Reply-To: <971112184628_86568462@mrin79> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk When I stepped into my first party, I knew that I would looooove them for the rest of my life.... I went almost 3 years ago, when I was a definite youngin'. It was in a warehouse on the Solano County Fairgrouds in Vallejo or something (I don't quite remember) aAt first I was VERY intimdated cuz everyone was dancing in such a *wierdly cool* way --completely unlike the way everyone danced at my high school dances (ugh, groan, yuck!)--and I felt out of place. So I sat and watched people, becoming very enthralled by the way everyone was dressed and how they all danced, etc. And the music...oh......Wow. I had listened to my friend's mixtapes, but it couldn't even compare to a *real-live dj*. Needless to say, I was amazed. Then I enjoyed some E-ntertainment and I danced my little legs off allllll night long. All of a sudden I didn't care what anyone thought of me and my dancing, and acheived literally a new state of thinking about myself. I just remember leaving the party and almost crying cuz the party was over and the music stopped. . . So that's it I suppose. I know that I am forgetting something.... hugz jessica From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 09:11:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23178 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 09:11:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 23170 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 09:11:29 -0000 Received: from italy-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO italy.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 09:11:29 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (1Cust136.tnt9.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.26.136]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA07627 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:11:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346C1935.17A2@earthlink.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:26:13 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re:Veggie Holidays Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk If anyone is interested, I have lots of ideas for veg holiday meals. I'm a chef and many of my clients are vegetarians... it's my business to cater to them so I spend lots of time creating new dishes. Just e-me privately as I'm just digest-ing at the moment! -TRACY PS. Make sure you bring some good FOOD to my house party! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 11:05:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24299 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 11:05:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 24226 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 11:04:20 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 11:04:20 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA27122 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:02:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971114030017.00c0be28@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:00:20 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: a little bit of infinity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk VISION or, the Opiate Dream Decreed by the Moon-Goddess AND MY spectral sight does not deceive me? A HOST of phantoms dance before my numb all-seeing eyes. "Lift your head high, surrender to the bliss of eternity," they cry out in one long sensual note=97golden and fluttering like a metal clockwork nightingale...I stretch my arms to heaven=97find myself in a lost vast desert. Dunes rolling as though the sand covered the humped backs of innumerable beasts. Pure cutting blue sky, full of a richness that tells of innocence and patient waiting magic. Scores of half-alive misty silver soldiers march lockstep across the shifting arid terrain. My enfeebled mind wonders, in idle absent tendrils of thought, what monstrous foe they go to meet...for what cause shall they die, spilling the life of their ancestors upon these plains in bold crimson strokes...a painter malevolent and gaunt dips his brush... AND THE sun rises, yellow like a flashing brass band, screaming rays of light in every direction, and the wraith-army burns away to shadows and then to naught. A billion grains sift through my trembling fingers, each alive and glowing with the universe within. I dissolve=97I am a string of ephemeral ones and zeroes flowing inward, and I disappear into the empty lovely night of one tiny cosmos=97the galactic sea I sail with eyes smiling broadly, all is balanced, all is utter truth. DESCENT COMES quickly and bringeth me to a mirrored lake that listens to my every thought...and with fearful reverberation plays a keening organ-score to match my questions. I dive deep, sending waves murderous through the long-placid waters...a kingdom of percussive pounding maelstroms, feel the sun-drenched warmth of the upper regions gently decaying to the crystal cold of the black depths...I am encased in a cyclopean obsidian mountain, subject to flashes of stark unmatchable brilliance...in terror I draw back, the darkness recedes, growing circular, fringed with radiating color, and at once the world of fantasy hangs in tatters, as though =91twere some long-forgotten ruined tapestry, and I stare, with modest surprise, at your swiftly blinking eyes. ----------------------- "sweet in winter. sweet in rain. shake well before use. she said 'you'll never touch me anymore this way.'" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 16:26:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27411 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 16:26:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 27401 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 16:26:36 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 16:26:36 -0000 Received: from acrostic.ppp (pm-n5-153.napanet.net [157.22.193.153]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA16388 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:25:43 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:25:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199711141625.IAA16388@daffy.napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: llevi Butterfield Subject: could someone do me a favor? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ok. As you all probably know, I'm gonna go to Wonder tonight. I'm taking Bart over to S.F. to do it. I am in need of a ride to the place though, if someone that's going would be willing to meet me somewhere and give me a ride, it would make my day. I could help with gas or something.....? Puuulleeeezz? Ok, enough. Thanks, .lip dot. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 16:52:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1987 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 16:52:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 1979 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 16:52:02 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 16:52:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19971114164948.6034.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.158.134.131] by web4; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:49:48 PST Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: macadio Subject: BSP Wonder 11-14-97 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Friday November 14 we proudly present.. **W O N D E R** In the Main Room Li, AndyW, Vlad, Macadio, Myster-E chilloutdonwtempo{{jungleroom}} Mike(64K), Deepfog, Siphon, B((rang fidget more TBA This event will take place in the SF area Presale Tickets are Available at F-8 (415)221-4142 There will be a limited number of Presales of 300 only. And none will be sold at the door It is advised to get them early. We have worked real hard on this party and hope you all enjoy it. We have a few not major but small surprises. You might see a thing or two that you don't normally see at a party!! You will still be able to get tickets all day today (As long as they last) Peace, Macadio BTW *Wonder* info line (408)538-5600 Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 16:53:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2633 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 16:53:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 2615 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 16:53:27 -0000 Received: from jazz.citiscape.com (206.40.4.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 16:53:27 -0000 Received: from citiscape.com by jazz.citiscape.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id IAA08102; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:55:06 -0800 Message-ID: <346C1266.F93610F1@citiscape.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:57:39 +0000 From: Robert Pointer Reply-To: rwpointer@citiscape.com Organization: CITISCAPE Media Design, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Spring Heel Jack Reviews anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Let me live vicariously! Tell me about it! Good, bad, or just "the sh*t!" make me feel like I was there.... ;) rob. http://www.citizenmag.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 16:56:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3334 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 16:56:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 3326 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 16:56:14 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 16:56:14 -0000 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) id IAA03037 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:56:21 -0800 (PST) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199711141656.IAA03037@atari.saturn5.com> Subject: Santa Cruz day party... Sunday... To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:56:20 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I got some info on a day party in Santa Cruz this sunday... ---- At the UC santa Cruz campus this sunday the 16, if it isnt raining in santa cruz. It will go from 2-7:30 with psychedelic trance, breakbeat, and jungle with djs Rob Rayel, Lorin, and Seiji....... It will be in the Porter College area of UCSC, which is near the "west Entrance", from SF/Berkely, take 880 S to 17 S......exit Hwy 1 N....follow as 1 turns into mission, pass taco bell on the left, and turn right at BAY. Follow to HIGH St and trun left. The Wst Entrance is about 1 mile down on the right...... Tell you're friends, but dont tell any of the UCSC faculty that you heard about it here. LOVE!" ----- -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@saturn5.com <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.saturn5.com/tsheets/ <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 17:24:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13130 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 17:24:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 13098 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 17:24:55 -0000 Received: from puertopollo.lucasarts.com (firewall-user@204.71.70.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 17:24:55 -0000 Received: by puertopollo.lucasarts.com; id JAA13525; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:17:35 -0800 Received: from fandango.lucasarts.com(144.0.100.82) by puertopollo.lucasarts.com via smap (3.2) id xma013513; Fri, 14 Nov 97 09:17:13 -0800 Received: from tanis.lucaslearning.com (tanis [144.0.230.20]) by fandango.lucasarts.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00139 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by tanis.lucaslearning.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:22:49 -0800 Message-ID: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211ACE34@tanis.lucaslearning.com> From: Josh Damon Williams To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, "'rwpointer@citiscape.com'" Subject: (Longish) -- RE: Spring Heel Jack Reviews anyone? Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:22:48 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk boycott shows at bimbo's (read on)! okay here it is. my friends and i show up at mmm... maybe 10? and i don't who's spinning at that point because i don't see a dj on stage. but it was cool, chillout downtempo stuff. and that was fine because the place was all mellow. spring heel jack stepped out to a less than half capacity mixed crowd of jungle fans and... i can't even imagine what the connection was for the rest of them... since they were dancing and didn't show enough interest in the music to shut the fuck up for a few minutes, i'll assume a tour bus got lost. but shj were pros. their set was kinda spacey, also downtempo... and this might just be me, but i've always felt that their sounds aren't to far from those of orbital. really nice layer of hard edge noises that build semi complex harmonies... and was that the orb's dog bark echoing through one of their tracks? and they started a little low (if you have the new stuff on vinyl you'll hear a lot of almost ambient stuff... they didn't play any of it...) tempo, but then started building the energy. forty-five minutes later they had most ppl (even the talkers) on their feet. too bad it was their last track. so per rock concert protocol, ppl started filing out when it became apparent that shj was really finished. i think tomas started spinning next. now that the place was near empty, it was easy to locate the dj, over by the sound booth. he started into what could've been a nice set... but i don't know if it was the folks in the bimbo camp or the ppl on the ftt side or what... but at 11:45 johnny L faded out, something like sinatra faded in, the light came up and we got the fuck out.... of course we weren't even close to done for the evening. and with a $12 price on the ticket, we were all feeling kind of ripped off. bentley rhythm ace is coming up at the same venue, i really wanted to go to this show... more than shj, but my money is tight and i can't hand it over for something that doesn't deliver. so i guess i'll be at home that night. to ftt: if a venue is going to impose rules and restrictions which will prevent you from throwing up and event properly, go somewhere else. vsf is a good location for this stuff... hell you had bukem there, and i'm sure there were more headz down for that than for a rock concert at bimbo's. the place does look great, and they have a nice layout, but the bottom line is you can't shut down that early without knowingly screwing you're supporters over. thanks for listening, i do feel better. footnote: we were not even ready to wrap the eve so we busted over to eklectik. another $5 gone, but way more worth it. when we got there, andrew smith (is his name) was up (i think he's from xlr8tr) and he was dropping some phat fucking tracks. he hooked us up with what we needed to make the night sit right. and to maya and george, it was great seeing you kids as always -- too bad we didn't have more time to dance... now what's the plan for the beach > ---------- > From: Robert Pointer > Reply To: rwpointer@citiscape.com > Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 1:57 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Spring Heel Jack Reviews anyone? > > Let me live vicariously! > > Tell me about it! > > Good, bad, or just "the sh*t!" > > make me feel like I was there.... > > ;) > > > rob. > http://www.citizenmag.com > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 18:04:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22481 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 18:04:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 22466 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 18:04:49 -0000 Received: from mrin44.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin44.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.154) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 18:04:49 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA15089; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:04:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:04:21 -0500 (EST) From: PHUNKN3@aol.com Message-ID: <971114130421_969669599@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ==>STEP 2K 2NITE!!<== Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Rounding up the week choc full 'o Drum & Bass is.... ================> S T E P 2 K <=================== DJS: UFO (PHUNCKATECK), BILLY DIAMOND (JUNGLE LOVE) W/ RESIDENTS: PUSH & NOEL LOCATION INFORMATION: 415.789.8212 EXT. 1 HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE!!! PEACE *Music is life, the rest is just filler.* PHUNKN3@AOL.COM From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 18:24:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4489 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 18:24:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 4480 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 18:24:40 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 18:24:40 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id KAA25238 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:24:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346C9A2F.D4F5A215@best.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:36:31 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: WONDER II and NH Newbies! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey kids, if any of yas go to Wonder t'nite, I'll be bringing along a couple kids from New Hampshire. It'll be their first rave... neither of 'em really even knew what raving was or what's involved, but from what I've told them, they're really excited about going! If ya can, find me or them, and say howdiE! =) Their names are Sara and her brother's Janice. They've met a lot of the Batgwan Kids too, so if ya know any of them, you can probably find them that way! =) party hard.party safe.jer! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 18:40:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8883 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 18:40:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 8874 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 18:40:31 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 18:40:31 -0000 Received: from jeff.utron.com ([208.138.43.35]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13647; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:40:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711141840.KAA13647@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff @ Work" To: , "J E $ $ ! C @ !!!!" Subject: Re: First Rave Experience Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:40:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Wow.. This is very enlightening! =]:... My first ravE.. I know I have told people this before in private. But I don't think I ever posted it to any whole list... My first ravE experience was alot like Jessica's ofcourse, like most people I am sure. My first ravE was at the ACME building though. So it was alittle crowded. I didn't even find the basement untell the morning. It was really hot, and really crowded. But it was COOL! Although it seems to be getting easier now but, back before ravEs when I clubbed. People always got complete annoyed with the crowds. Fights would break-out. People talking shit cause you bumped into them. Blah, blah, blah.. My first ravE.. No one seemed to care if you accidently nudged against them through the crowd. It's like... "finally, I have found somewhere I can go. where people know that bumping and nudging is an unavoidible thing!" And it was almost like, when you did nugde up against someone. They were in a hurry to say "sorry or excuse me" Like.. Even.. Well.. Lets just say that NO ONE seemed annoyed.. That's for sure. But what I wanted to say was... My first ravE.. What stands out the most is.. The fact that I TOLD MYSELF.. I was like. "right on, I KNOW what I want" I knew just how I could contribute to the scene.. I knew I could adapt a new way of dancing to this new techno sound. I told my friend Wayne on the way home that I would come up with a dance that surpassed all the stiles I saw going on at the acme building. I said, "I would dance moving right with the music" I noticed that no one was really dancing with the music. I noticed everyone just danced competively against one another, not competively against the music it's self. I noticed no one was STOMPING there feet onto the ground. And I knew from my club experience that foot stopping draws alot of attention, and helps you to move along with the music. The following week, I found this really cool bright red sweat jacket w/ reflectors all over it. And I said to my friend Wayne at the purchasing counter, "now watch Wayne, pretty soon everyone will be saying (there's that guy with the red jacket again) You see.. For one.. I felt challenged to get noticed.. Because, at my first ravE.. Seemed like everyone knew each other. And I was not a part of it. So I felt compelled to be noticed more than ever. It is a fact that.. You need to contribute in one way or another in the scene, to be truely excepted. Argue it if you want. It is a fact! And I accomplished my goals.. BUT. I had no strategy ready for what would happen next. And what happened next completely dumb founded me. If it weren't for all the negetivity and pure pressure. I would of attacked that challenge aswell.. Example. If I would have gone to my first ravE and heard people saying "who is this guy? Why is he not dancing, he better start dancing or something" I WOULD NOT OF DANCED! I don't respond to demands & pressure to well.. So read into that line.. Do you know what I am trying to say? I still think everyone in the scene is cool n'all that.. But, everyone "as a whole" will be better off if I am not there.. Because when people expect something from me without asking... I will not submis... And that just twists everything out as a whole.. Let me tell you.. Am I making any sence? Rave on Bay Area'ns. Donald Claude @ Pablo's Sgar Shack... WARNING, WARNING! Pablo's Sugar Shack has DIRTY SECURITY! They will steal your pipe. They will steal your sack.. Don't get cuaght, and watch your back!! Peace, love, and accomplishments. Jeff nStuff From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 20:19:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 337 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 20:19:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 327 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 20:19:09 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 20:19:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19971114201339.20019.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [153.35.239.104] by web1; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:13:39 PST Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:13:39 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: Re: First Rave Experience To: Julie Hayes Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk thank you for starting this thread. I have been wanting to write a story about my first rave for some time. I apologize for the lengthiness of it in advance. well my first rave was about 4 years ago. I had been listening to techno music for quite awhile as my roommate at the time the Messiah was a ferverent collector of new music. At that time though the choices were pretty much limited to KLF, The ORB and 808 State- at least in our area. So when the Messiahs sister asked me if I wanted to go with her to a rave that was being thrown down at the Beach I decided it was time to give raving a try (my decision was helped by the fact that I had a huge crush on her at the time.) So I put on my "hippest" clothes and had practiced dancing by myself- since I had never danced in public before. My friend offered me some helpful advice- if you ever feel silly while dancing just look around you, you're not the only one. So we loaded up the car just she, I, and her Friend from college who managed to somehow be added to the list at the last minute. Damn, I thought there is going to be competition tonight. When we finally got to the beach- we set about getting some liquor. This was to be also my first drinking experience. I felt I needed something to loosten me up- and of course I wanted to look cool for my friend. Then we looked for the club. The club platypus. We sat in the lot and chug-a-lugged the wine. I told myself that I ws only going to take three swigs as three was my luck number- then I took a fourth swig just to make sure I would get a buzz. I should have known that misfortune would come. When we finally went into the club, and you must realize I had never seen a rave before, we were greeted with a spectacle which could only be described as the anti-rave. In this oversized bar with Saturdaynight fever style lighted floors there were these cowgirls complete with white cowgirl boots. The moment we walked in they were in-line dancing to UB40s "i can't help falling in love with you" Around them these pot-bellied old men were sitting around leering at them. I asked messiah's sister if this ws a rave or had we been duped. We were about to leave when she asked the bartender what was going on. He told her that these people would clear out- and the rave would begin at 12:00am. So we hit the beach and came back at 12:00. Sure enough the crowd was more like what one would expect. We drank more wine and went in. There were only a few people on the dance floor more people were hanging around the walls watching. "Oh great", I thought "I have to start my dancing career on an empty dance floor." But I really wanted to make an impression on my "date" I had been sucessful in minimizing the efforts of my competitor- him having left to go to the bar. I felt this tremendous rush when I started dancing and realized that I was one of the participants of the rave and not just a bystander. It helped that I had brought along a pair of 3-d glasses for the rave it somehow flattened everything and made everyone look like cardboard cut-outs. I actually brought two pairs of glasses- one for me and one for her. This turned out to be my undoing. For in a hilariously tragic turn of events the galsses turned out to be quite an effective pick-up prop for many many guys that night. I'll spare the tragic comedy that was the rest of the evening- because that it really unimportant. That night I overcame two taboos one was dancing and one was drinking. And I guess the lesson from my story is that although their have been subsequent parties where I felt my heart ripped out and stomped on the dancefloor- I have always loved the party. pjfuzzy ---Julie Hayes wrote: > > I know there are a lot of newbie-virginraver lurker types out there, so I thought it would be cool to hear those that aren't so newbie tell us about their first raving experience..........music/dj's; clothing; people; vibe; date?; reaction. etc...... > > Peace and Love > Julie > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 20:22:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1183 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 20:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 1164 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 20:22:00 -0000 Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 20:22:00 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id MAA08289; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:18:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346CB4F3.66F192D3@best.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:30:43 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Leech CC: m.mukerji@lancaster.ac.uk, louise.peers@unilever.com, Jagshinder.sahota@unilever.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, d.southwell@lancaster.ac.uk, Uhles@psych.ucsb.edu, karid@sfsu.edu, byroni@ccnet.com Subject: Re: VERY IMP. to me at least References: <19971112.143330.9774.2.edleech@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk how come you have to get a job in the same field as your degree? Ed Leech wrote: > > Hello and peace be with you. > Ok everyone the time has come to explain everything. > I'm English y'see and after spending 10 months, near enough, here I've > decided I want to stay. I was/ am an Au pair or live in nanny but I don't > want to do it forever. I spoke to a lawyer about becoming a legal > worker.( I'm not supposed to be working and I should have left the > country on july the 4th (Ha!) although I do have a 10 yr visitors visa) > The lawyer said I should leave the country cuz although I've overstayed > my welcome if I go home I'll be ok But If I stay more than 6 months > longer than the six I originally had ( I came in Jan) and go home,I will > be stopped if I try to come back within 3 yrs. My options for staying > are : > > 1: get married > > 2: get a job in the same field as my degree (biology/phys) at least 45 > days before jan > 5th It being nov 12th does not leave much time. > > 3: stay here illegally indefinitely but with job options being restricted > to cash under the table, no car, never being able to go home and come > back and constantly stressing about being caught and sent home without > warning. > > Needless to say 3 is not my preferred choice especially after the car > crash I was in on saturday last. So unless preferably 2 happens (1 taken > into consideration) I will be leaving this fare land of milk, honey and > weekly raving. (some time before january) for sad, dreary, friendless, > Manchester where my ma and pa live for as long as it takes to get a firm > job offer from a Bay Area company so I can return to rave at my leisure > with my best mates in a house of my own and a social security # to call > my own. > Offers of work,marriage and advice are all welcome so long as your quick. > Love > English Ed. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 20:29:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3025 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 20:29:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 3017 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 20:29:02 -0000 Received: from mail-oak-1.pilot.net (198.232.147.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 20:29:02 -0000 Received: from artemis.chiron.com (unknown-46-3.chiron.com [206.189.46.3]) by mail-oak-1.pilot.net with SMTP id MAA15775 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:29:01 -0800 (PST) From: John_Robertson@cc.chiron.com Received: from hermes.chiron.com by artemis.chiron.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09168; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:23:46 -0800 Received: from cc.chiron.com by hermes.chiron.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA23038; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:28:50 -0800 Received: from ccMail by cc.chiron.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 00097D5A; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:22:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:21:41 -0800 Message-ID: <00097D5A.3294@cc.chiron.com> Subject: SRR - Berkley shoe shops To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Folks, Any suggestions ? Looking for those Airwalk 2-tone felt look thingies ... Spring Heel Jack @ Bimbo's was pretty cool - twas a mellow way to spend the evening. Music was good & I really liked the venue - can't believe I've lived in the neighbourhood 2+ yrs & hadn't been there before. Yeh, the crowd thinned super quick once the band ended but hell, whatcha gonna do ? We payed our 12 bucks to see a band in concert - you were never gonna get a stompin' plurry party going in this venue. Saw some familiar faces but wasn't in a very sociable mood so hi to whoever (I was the guy in chequered pants front right). Anybody else dropping into the Minna St Gallery tonight for Spesh's do ? Should be fun & a good starting off point ..... Whatever you get up (or down) to this w/e play safe & have fun !! Cheers, Q: Whats black, white and pink ? A: An embarrassed Zebra ! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 20:38:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5846 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 20:38:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 5838 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 20:38:47 -0000 Received: from germany-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO germany.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.123) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 20:38:47 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (1Cust137.tnt10.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.28.137]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05385 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:38:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346CBA4F.411D@earthlink.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:53:35 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: 3 Veggie ideas... maybe 4! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm not sure if any of you are Vegans, but here are 3 ideas for Holiday Veg dishes that you may like (some can be made vegan). If you need elaboration on any of them, e me! Mellow Caramelized Onion & Fennel Tart with Herbs & Gruyere... actually very easy if you purchase a premade shell (I can tell you how to prepare from scratch if you want) also great with Mixed Greens with a Vinaigrette so there is a taste balance. Wild Mushrooms Sauteed (try to find Black Chanterelles... they ROCK! If you really want to know where to find them, you have to ask REAL nice... I don't want my supply diminished too severely ; ) with Shallots & Garlic and deglazed with Vermouth... then baked in a Potato Gratin! Oh Geez... Potato Latkes... I come from a Jewish heritage so these are a Hannukah MUST! But they're also good for a Vegan dish if they're served with a good chunky applesauce... if you can, serve with sour cream too! Try them even if you're not Jewish. One last idea... Curried Winter Squash & Apple Soup with a dollop of Creme Fraiche (sounds complicated & snobbish and oh so French! but it's a breeze!) can also be served cold as a first course. Neat that way... cold temperature with a warm spiceiness and delicate sweetness. I'm sorry. I must go now... the kitchen is calling me. -TRACY From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 20:40:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6834 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 20:40:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 6825 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 20:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.net) (130.93.132.205) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 20:40:42 -0000 Received: from Blackhole (ts020d45.cup-ca.concentric.net [209.31.13.249]) by post.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21567; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:37:42 -0800 Received: from Blackhole (ts020d45.cup-ca.concentric.net [209.31.13.249]) by post.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21567; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:37:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971114123912.007d8350@post.net> X-Sender: sean@post.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:39:12 -0800 To: Levi Butterfield , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Sean Casey Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971113005203.006b4d8c@napanet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I don't know where it is, but it is $15. I wanted to try it out but that's a bit steep, esp. for a small party. Guess I was spoiled by YSH throwing $5 parties every week for 9 months... At 12:52 AM 11/13/97 -0800, Levi Butterfield wrote: > Yes, YES. I know it is in S.F. is it some kind of huge secret or >something?? Whenever I ask anyone, they just say "it's somewhere in >Sanfransisco, I don't know" am I just a huge laugh? Does everyone know >where it is because of previous partIEs have been held there? Just PLEASE >let the stupid newbie know....? I have no clue. I know nothing. And that's >all. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 20:46:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7745 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 20:45:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 7737 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 20:45:55 -0000 Received: from mail2.sirius.com (205.134.253.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 20:45:55 -0000 Received: from [205.134.228.78] (ppp-asft11--078.sirius.net [205.134.228.78]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id MAA24311; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:45:49 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: silent@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:39:48 -1000 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: silent@sirius.com (silent records) Subject: stir fri-days Cc: sang@silent.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk *** TONIGHT *** friday november 14, 1997 s t i r f r i - d a y free lunch* at san francisco's best place for local and international cuisine drum&bass + hip hop + house + dub + funk + rare grooves + soul + jazz + beatz Tonights Menu: starter: Jason Fluid Specially picked oolong experimental hip hop, baked in soul with a generous helping of surprise treats to tease yo tongue... entree: Matt Valenz ( LoveWorks ) Twice disco-fried chow funk, served twice to pack more soul into your diet. Served with braised beats, steamed vocals, and garden grooves. dessert: DJ Sang A palette cleansing wash of smoked beatz, tasty drum 'n bass, and delicious downtempo jamz... Next week's menu includes DJ's Todd ( Pulse Soniq ) and the Wastemaster ( Pulse Soni ). Might not sound appetizing, but this dish comes straight out the how-to cookbook on baking up the latest tunes. ALL OF THIS AND MORE CAN BE FOUND AT THE CITY'S PREMIER HAPPY HOUR FOR THE NEWEST EXPERIMENTAL DANCE MUSIC ON EARTH... STRI FRI-DAYS every fri-day @ the minna street gallery 1 1 1 m i n n a ( btwn. mission / howard / new mont. / 2nd ) f r o m 5 to 9 p m all you can eat ! and it's free ! * DISCLAIMER ( lunch not actually free, unless you're on a strict diet of great music ! ) silent records (name)@silent.org 340 bryant st. www.silent.org 3rd floor east 415-957-1320 san francisco, ca 94107 fax:957-0779 ***UPCOMING RELEASES*** Call Raul/Sang/Matt for a complete list (hey... it's changing like crazy) (call for press listing for our last CD/12" releases - thanks to all the writers/reviewers for their continued support !) Vinyl is not dead... Oh yeah... to get sound samples go to our web page :) Look for more of the San Francisco sound on wax and shiny silver things... *Astral Matrix - Live Secret Broadcast SR**** (XLR8R Tracks) SR9731 November 14 CD A full length offering from one of the Bay Area's most well known electronic artists. More info shortly. Stay tuned to this broadcast ! *VA-Big Shots SR**** (XLR8R Tracks) mid-December 2X12"/CD An investigation into the state of San Francisco drum 'n bass. Contributors include Sharp Scientific + the label's own Red Orc. ***PAST AND RECENT RELEASES*** *VA-Spesh Spins Trip 'n' Spin SR9725 (Trip 'N Spin) out now CD ' Spesh Spins Trip 'n Spin ' is the culmination of five years of hard labor from one of San Francisco's original house music labels, Trip 'N Spin Recordings. This live DJ mix contains both classic and current styles from the truly underground collective that is Trip 'N Spin. This CD is a rare chance to hear the sound of the label from it's inception to present-day, in one continuous live mix. Start trippin ! *Darkhorse-Darkhorse E.P. SR9717 (Three-Sixty) out now 12" ' Three-Sixty are back with their third release ! After driving through Death Valley and hitting Vegas, the Three-Sixty crew have split up to evade Federal Investigators seeking them out for swindling casinos out of towels and alcohol... '. A quote from Three-Sixty itself, which when translated means an more gritty funk and drum 'n bass madness from SF's newest and most outrageous experimental dance label. *User-Habit Form E.P. SR9723 (Organised Noise) out now 12" This is the second release from San Francisco's Organised Noise and is the debut EP from User. User is an alias of Jon Williams and Darin Marshall, and this record is a slice of techno-funk guaranteed to rock floors and minds. From the title track to the b-sides ' Reckless Zoom ' and ' Urgionomics ', Organised Noise is attaining the level of similar quality techno labels from Detroit to London and beyond. *Tim 'Love' Lee-Confessions of a Selector SR9718 (Three-Sixty) out now CD SF's 360 & Tim Love Lee has gotten their act together on this CD. Funky, melodic, and sometimes just twisted, "Confessions Of A Selector" is the 90's soundtrack for life in the 70's. As one reviewer put it, " ' Confessions ' makes me want to get naked and watch Bullitt at 6am with a tall boy of ice cold Coors and Hunter S. Thompson at my side..." The effect will be different for some, but the groove is universal. *Astral Matrix-#6 SR9718 (O.O.B.E.) out now 12" Straight outta San Francisco's underground, Astral Matrix's sixth 12" adds another thumpin' chapter to the OOBE catalog. A solid four tracker, ' Number Six ' covers a lot of territory. From the lush technological cut ' Bass Faerie ' to the darkly percussive and minimal track ' Triangles ', this EP is yet another achievement for this excellent local artist. *Jondi & Spesh-We Are Connected SR9722 (Trip N' Spin) out now 12" Inspired by the Sweet! parties and ' Live at Half moon Bay ' show, this is the second EP in the collaboration between Trip 'N Spin and Silent. Floor rocking trancey house with a left-coast feel. Remixes by NovaBass. *VA-Combine EP SR9714 (Organised Noise) out now 12" Some of the best straight up techno west of Carl Craig, Stacey Pullen, Ian Pooley, Derrick May, etc. All of whom are dropping it in their sets... *VA-East Bay Conspiracy EP SR9713 (Trip'N'Spin) out now 12" Featuring the likes of ETI, Jondi & Spesh, Nick Kelly & Cave Dwellers... A intense contribution to the San Francisco/West Coast House Movement Deconstruction meets Hardkiss *Various Artists-Skampler SR9708 (SKAM) out now CD ONLY PLACE TO GET AUTCHERE'S GESCOM, ET.AL. ON CD Autechere=Warp (the label)= released by TVT= Gescom=Owners of SKAM *Epsilon-The Black Hole SR9712 (SoundSphere Recordings) out now 12" Wicked brit-style dark jungle by the artist that has surprised most junglist with his debut appearance on several UK playlists... No U-Turn meets Penny Black *Mammal-The Big Ten-Four EP SR9711 (360) out now 12" Speaking of wicked... Thomas of Wicked Productions presents us with the debut release as Mammal... Downtempo funk with raw/intelligent grooves *Various Artist-Drum Kicks EP SR9710 (XLR8R Trax) out now 12" Hot Sequel to Bad Brakes EP; more of that soothing ;) west coast sound with a wee bit of attitude for good measure... *Various Artists-BAD BREAKS EP SR9709(XLR8R Trax) 12" out now 12" Mutha Beep-Beep by Professor Smith has charted in the UK; CMJ RPM and Jackpot Reviews by Deep Dish (favorable) in MixMagUS; 1ST PRESSING SOLD OUT!!! *Makyo-Rasa Bhava: sr9606 incredibly powerful piece/includes a Bill Laswell remix... referred to this new sound as Indihop and zen dub... Write-ups in the Wire, Fix, etc. Reviews as shown plus... *Various Artist-Land of Baboon (an illclectic brooklyn collection): sr9607 in cover stories by Option and the Wire/ranging from Dub to jungle to trip-hop to ambient-dub/write-ups (artists and/or release) in the Wire, Option, etc From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 20:47:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8435 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 20:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8427 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 20:47:44 -0000 Received: from mail2.sirius.com (205.134.253.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 20:47:44 -0000 Received: from [205.134.228.78] (ppp-asft11--078.sirius.net [205.134.228.78]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id MAA24419; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:47:40 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: silent@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:41:39 -1000 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: silent@sirius.com (silent records) Subject: loveworks dancing Cc: matt@silent.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk this saturday november 15 the loveworks organisation presents: l o v e w o r k s d a n c i n g ' a saturday night disco adventure ' featuring dj's matt valenz & dani ( she's back fomr being held hostage in England !!! ) your hosts: dianna jacobs / mark evans / nori castillo / angelica gatekeeper: robnoxious free * free * free * free * free * free * free * free * free ( small donations appreciated and accepted ) nine >>> two @ the 111 minna street gallery btwn 2nd / new montgomery / mission / howard love laughs incense flowers candles 5 hours of the deepest, roughest house music on this planet full info: 415 646 0744 love and respect... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 21:00:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11239 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 21:00:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 11221 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 21:00:37 -0000 Received: from portal.visa.com (198.80.42.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 21:00:37 -0000 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA23660 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for sfraves@hyperreal.org); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:00:36 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:00:36 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Chenevich, Chris" To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" Subject: RE: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:01:13 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hehe, Last time I heard that a friend and I got so terribly lost that we didn't show up at the party till 5am, granted we left at 1am, but still... -Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: josh sorkin [SMTP:case@uclink4.berkeley.edu] >Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 9:32 AM >To: Levi Butterfield; sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: wooooooo)Wonder(ooooooow > >At 12:52 AM 11/13/97 -0800, Levi Butterfield wrote: >> Yes, YES. I know it is in S.F. is it some kind of huge secret or >>something?? > >i myself break out in a cold sweat whenever i hear >people say "TAKE ALL ALTERNATE ROUTES TO THE 10 EAST" (darn L.A. >promoters)...but for now, be surprised--it may be your last time, what with >the limited number of venues in the Bay Area. > >actually, you make me envious--i wish i could be a newbie all over again, >because discovery and mystery is half the fun... >------------------------------------ >"white room. sun room. shadow room. >night transmitting cars across the room. >these things sent to dance across the room. >eye watching from your bed. returning to you." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 23:25:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15091 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 23:25:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 15082 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 23:25:09 -0000 Received: from mail.crl.com (165.113.1.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 23:25:09 -0000 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id PAA07543; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:25:02 -0800 (PST) env-from (storpis@crl.com) Received: by crl.crl.com id AA01551 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:15:47 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199711142315.AA01551@crl.crl.com> Subject: Re: words from a nerds bird. To: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:15:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971113.233501.9791.1.foolish_fish1@juno.com> from "foolish_fish1@juno.com" at Nov 14, 97 02:33:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ever see that Rocky & Bullwinkle episode where Boris plans to take over the world with a "stupid" raygun? You blast somebody and they become stupid, lose all notion of common sense and intelligence? But when Boris fires at Bullwinkle, nothing happens. Boris exclaims, "No brain no effect." I suspect the raygun would have no effect on you either. I know, I know, it really *is* OK to post self-admitted "foolish things" to this list. No need to reply. > Some foolish things to tell your friends when you cant > think of anything better to say.... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 14 23:29:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16288 invoked by uid 6000); 14 Nov 1997 23:29:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 16280 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 23:29:26 -0000 Received: from raven.dartmouth.edu (dsp@129.170.111.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 23:29:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (dsp@localhost) by raven.dartmouth.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA01111 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:25:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:25:13 -0500 (EST) From: dsp To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ISP question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hi i live in santa clara im looking for an ISP that will rent me some space on thier web/realaudio server i really want know opinions about who offers the most SOLID SOLID service and would rent me like 2 RA files worth of space for a not so trafficy site. i dont need a www.dsp.com or anything, just a dependable server for not a fortune if anyone around here does something similar please share! thanks! how is netcom etc... things like that From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 00:08:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23505 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 00:08:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 23497 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 00:08:57 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 00:08:57 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-4-86.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.86]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id QAA11578 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:08:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346CE856.7316@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:09:58 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: krr...I CAN'T HELP IT!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Try as hard as I can to deny it, but no more can I... I ABSOLUTLY LOVE AQUA!!! You know that chic and dude that sing "Barbie Girl" & "Candyman" Make fun of me all you want but they just push my buttons-so cute, yet erotic in a strange way. She's a raver, ohh and the guy in the Barbie video with the bleached blonde very spiky hair is soooo cute-he's my type of guy. Sorry about spamming, but I just saw the vid for the first time today and confronted my denial and had to tell someone. TERESA From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 00:23:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27152 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 00:23:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 27143 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 00:23:44 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 00:23:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA28159 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:24:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:24:24 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: (NRR) H2O polo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk if any of you are huge fans of water polo, MBLs, the Monterey Bay League championships are tomorrow, and CCS is having their championships on the weekend of Thanksgiving. My brother's a senior, and my old high school/my brother's school is a very promising team, they could win both! E-mail me if you want to attend either of these events, and/or you wanna talk H2O polo with me it's my favorite sport, and tomorrow's MBLs is why i'm not going to wonder tonight -- gotta be there for my bro in PURE FORM :) or am i the only kid who loves H2O polo on this list?? also! wish our Jibber a safe trip to tahoe -- he's taking advantage of the early snow and goin' boardin tomorrow! xo lara From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 00:42:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3552 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 00:42:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 3544 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 00:42:30 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 00:42:30 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21581 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA11327; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:53:33 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:02:01 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Wonder/Tape Release/Poetry Book Release (BSP) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey kids, I'm not mentioned on the SFRaves Calendar, but I will be spinning from 12-2 a.m. in the chill room tonight at Wonder. Today also marks the official release of my third tape, "Remembering the Future" and my poetry book, "Comets Fall on Jupiter". After considerable debate, I've decided to sell the book and the tape as a pair for $10; to cover costs. I'm also going to be giving out free copies to random strangers who I catch smiling. "Comets Fall on Jupiter" has 26 poems. Printed on good paper and with a handsome velo binding. A sample: "Calvert Street" * It's a quarter past three and half past drunk There's cops in the mirror and an ounce in the trunk. I'm a quarter past love and half past gone. I need one last chance, creeping toward dawn. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "Remembering the Future" is an endless loop without beginning or end. It starts wherever you start it, and the continuity is broken only when by flipping the tape. Pregnant with samples.(42 of them!) Half of it is an ambient wash, the other half hops from hip to trip. Also,includes an original Boomerang story, complete with sound effects and a sassy soundtrack ! I'll be the guy with the necktie and the briefcase. Please say howdy, even if you don't have any interest in what's in my briefcase. b o o m e r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 01:02:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6056 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 01:02:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 6044 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 01:02:37 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 01:02:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971115005708.11855.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.57.69] by web1; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:57:08 PST Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: words from a nerds bird. To: Sharif Torpis Cc: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk flame! flame! flame! i think just about everyone around these here parts likes to hear from foolish fish, rave related or not. i know i do... -messiah wannabe ---Sharif Torpis wrote: > > Ever see that Rocky & Bullwinkle episode where Boris plans to take over the > world with a "stupid" raygun? You blast somebody and they become stupid, > lose all notion of common sense and intelligence? But when Boris fires > at Bullwinkle, nothing happens. Boris exclaims, "No brain no effect." > > I suspect the raygun would have no effect on you either. > > I know, I know, it really *is* OK to post self-admitted "foolish > things" to this list. No need to reply. > > > Some foolish things to tell your friends when you cant > > think of anything better to say.... > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 01:18:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10674 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 01:18:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 10666 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 01:18:52 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 01:18:52 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xWWsk-0007WD-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:18:42 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:18:49 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: ravalum@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: krr...I CAN'T HELP IT!!! In-Reply-To: <346CE856.7316@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Who cares what anyone thinks. Your taste is your own and thats what matters. :) It's about what makes *you* smile! Byroni On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 ravalum@pacbell.net wrote: > Try as hard as I can to deny it, but no more can I... > > I ABSOLUTLY LOVE AQUA!!! You know that chic and dude that sing "Barbie > Girl" & "Candyman" Make fun of me all you want but they just push my > buttons-so cute, yet erotic in a strange way. She's a raver, ohh and > the guy in the Barbie video with the bleached blonde very spiky hair is > soooo cute-he's my type of guy. > > Sorry about spamming, but I just saw the vid for the first time today > and confronted my denial and had to tell someone. > > TERESA > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 01:44:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16878 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 01:44:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 16858 invoked by uid 24); 15 Nov 1997 01:43:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 28902 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1997 22:08:51 -0000 Received: from smtp.exploretech.com (HELO explore-nt.exploretech.com) (38.245.192.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 1997 22:08:51 -0000 Received: from Manama.exploretech.com ([38.245.192.55]) by explore-nt.exploretech.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA00109 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:09:34 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:09:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19971114141132.330f9c20@exploretech.com> X-Sender: cporter@exploretech.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Christopher Porter Subject: Thanks for the info DEA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ...illicitly manufactured analogues include 4-bromo-2, 5-dimethoxyamphetamine (DOB), 3, 4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA), 3, 4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, also referred to as Ecstasy or XTC) and 4-bromo-2, 5dimethoxyhenethylamine (2C-B, NEXUS). These drugs differ from one another in their potency, speed of onset, duration of action and their capacity to modify mood with or without producing overt hallucinations. These drugs are widely used at "raves." (Raves are large all-night dance parties held in unusual settings, such a warehouses or railroad yards, that feature computer-generated, high volume, pulsating music.) The drugs are usually taken orally, sometimes snorted and rarely injected. Because they are produced in clandestine laboratories, they are seldom pure and the amount in a capsule or tablet is likely to vary considerably.... Hey, how come they know more about "rave drugs" than I do? Anyway, I thought y'all might appreciate that the DEA has defined raves for us... Back to not working at work... --ChrisP Chris Porter Master of All Things Customer Support Explore Technologies 408-654-3846, 8-5 PST. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 01:52:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19330 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 01:52:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 19310 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 01:52:00 -0000 Received: from kzsu.stanford.edu (36.118.0.90) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 01:52:00 -0000 Received: (from radon@localhost) by kzsu.Stanford.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA03046; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:51:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:51:57 -0800 (PST) From: dj radon To: Messiah Wannabe cc: Sharif Torpis , sfraves Subject: "rave related or not" (was Re: words from a nerds bird.) In-Reply-To: <19971115005708.11855.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Messiah Wannabe boldly asserted: > > > flame! flame! flame! i think just about everyone around these here > parts likes to hear from foolish fish, rave related or not. i know i > do... Well, part of the sfraves charter that everyone receives when they subscribe states that completely non-rave-related material is not appropriate for the list. If it's true that almost everyone likes to hear non-rave-related stuff, we should ammend the charter. I'd like to point something out, though. I know many great people who've unsubscribed from the list because of high volume. Essentially, we lose the potential contribution of a lot of people who _do_ limit themselves to rave-related postings by allowing run-away NRRs. Not to mention that with excessive volume, some people (like me) tend to delete a lot of messages without reading them. This has the effect of dilluting everyone's ability to communicate. Who knows what beautiful or interesting posts are getting thrown away just because people can't keep up with the traffic. If we all limit ourselves to fewer, higher quality postings, then the important stuff doesn't get drowned out by the noise. -radon ps. despite what I said here, I thought josh sorkin's post (earlier today, "a little bit of infinity", which I would call NRR) was RAD! > > -messiah wannabe > > > ---Sharif Torpis wrote: > > > > Ever see that Rocky & Bullwinkle episode where Boris plans to take > over the > > world with a "stupid" raygun? You blast somebody and they become > stupid, > > lose all notion of common sense and intelligence? But when Boris fires > > at Bullwinkle, nothing happens. Boris exclaims, "No brain no effect." > > > > I suspect the raygun would have no effect on you either. > > > > I know, I know, it really *is* OK to post self-admitted "foolish > > things" to this list. No need to reply. > > > > > Some foolish things to tell your friends when you cant > > > think of anything better to say.... > > > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 02:17:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23426 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 02:17:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 23410 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 02:17:56 -0000 Received: from mrin83.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin83.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.193) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 02:17:56 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin83.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA20516; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:17:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:17:27 -0500 (EST) From: PHUNKN3@aol.com Message-ID: <971114211726_1536534837@mrin83.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: STEP 2K INFO!!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Alright kiddies, STEP 2K will be @: EAGLES DRIFT INN 527 BRYANT @ 3RD ST in S.F. Cost is: $5 Sorry but it's 21+ (booo!) Again line up is....UFO (PHUNCKATECK) BILLY DIAMOND (JUNGLE LOVE) w/ residents: PUSH & NOEL STEP 2K INFO LINE: 415.789.8212 EXT. 1 *MUSIC IS SAID TO BE THE VOICES OF ANGELS* PEACE PHUNKN3@AOL.COM From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 02:26:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26305 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 02:26:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 26296 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 02:26:28 -0000 Received: from mrin79.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin79.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 02:26:28 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA04885 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:26:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:26:00 -0500 (EST) From: CheerioHN@aol.com Message-ID: <971114212559_1469404505@mrin79> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Recipies for Thanksgiving vegi style :o) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey kiddos! this site has a whole menu for thenksgiving veg style, most recipies can be made vegan ...love ya'll! http://www.boutell.com/vegetarian/Thanksgiving.html eat yummy stuff :o) JiL PS you can get (un)turkeys this year...YAY!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 02:27:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26884 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 02:27:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 26876 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 02:27:37 -0000 Received: from ns2.accesscom.com (205.226.156.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 02:27:37 -0000 Received: from get.accesscom.com (nico@user48.accesscom.com [205.226.158.48]) by ns2.accesscom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA09137 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:27:34 -0800 From: "n i c o" To: "SFRaves" Subject: #SFRaves Pre-Party Gathering: Final Update Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:25:51 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf16d$cb228e20$309ee2cd@get.accesscom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well I hope this is the final update anyway ... : ) : ) : ) Here's the info: #SFRaves is scheduling a little pre-party gathering/dinner on Saturday, November 15th. We're planning on attending the Viberations party, Sinister immediately after the dinner. Dinner will be a very casual informal thing at the Fat Slice on Telegraph. It's in between the Trance and Jungle Factory and the UC Berkeley campus. We'll be meeting there at approximately 8pm to chow on some really good, inexpensive pizza. They have veggie/no-cheese slices, I'm sure. There is the possibility of the Viberations party selling out as the BSPs on the list have mentioned so if you plan on coming it's a good idea to get your presales as soon as possible. Also, major cross-streets to finding Fat Slice: In between Durant and Channing on Telegraph AND, there is always up to date information at: http://www.accesscom.com/~nico/sfraves.html I think it's a little bit more specific than this post because it's hard to type with cold hands. : ) I'm really looking forward to seeing as many of you as possible because we're going to have such a wonderful time and I wanna share it with the people I care about. : ) *much love and many hugs* Nico From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 02:46:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 838 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 02:46:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 828 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 02:46:00 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 02:46:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19971115024000.25125.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.57.69] by web1; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:40:00 PST Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:40:00 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: "rave related or not" (was Re: words from a nerds bird.) To: dj radon Cc: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ok ya got me, i guess i shouldn't speak for anyone but myself. though i see the fish getting publicly complemented for his poems fairly often. i do admit i've heard a lot of people complain about the huge number of posts on this list, but i think there are a lot of "chatty" sfravers who post as frequently as ff, and often off topic. and i gotta say i'd much rather read a non-rave-related post than a mean one -mw ---dj radon wrote: > > > On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Messiah Wannabe boldly asserted: > > > > > > > flame! flame! flame! i think just about everyone around these here > > parts likes to hear from foolish fish, rave related or not. i know i > > do... > > Well, part of the sfraves charter that everyone receives when they > subscribe states that completely non-rave-related material is not > appropriate for the list. > > If it's true that almost everyone likes to hear non-rave-related stuff, > we should ammend the charter. > > I'd like to point something out, though. I know many great people who've > unsubscribed from the list because of high volume. Essentially, we lose > the potential contribution of a lot of people who _do_ limit themselves > to rave-related postings by allowing run-away NRRs. > > Not to mention that with excessive volume, some people (like me) tend to > delete a lot of messages without reading them. This has the effect of > dilluting everyone's ability to communicate. Who knows what beautiful or > interesting posts are getting thrown away just because people can't keep > up with the traffic. > > If we all limit ourselves to fewer, higher quality postings, then the > important stuff doesn't get drowned out by the noise. > > -radon > > ps. despite what I said here, I thought josh sorkin's post (earlier > today, "a little bit of infinity", which I would call NRR) was RAD! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -messiah wannabe > > > > > > ---Sharif Torpis wrote: > > > > > > Ever see that Rocky & Bullwinkle episode where Boris plans to take > > over the > > > world with a "stupid" raygun? You blast somebody and they become > > stupid, > > > lose all notion of common sense and intelligence? But when Boris fires > > > at Bullwinkle, nothing happens. Boris exclaims, "No brain no effect." > > > > > > I suspect the raygun would have no effect on you either. > > > > > > I know, I know, it really *is* OK to post self-admitted "foolish > > > things" to this list. No need to reply. > > > > > > > Some foolish things to tell your friends when you cant > > > > think of anything better to say.... > > > > > > > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 03:20:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9919 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 03:20:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 9909 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 03:20:11 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 03:20:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 29805 invoked by alias); 15 Nov 1997 03:20:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19971115032008.29804.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 29767 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 03:20:05 -0000 Received: from madmax-16.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.16) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 03:20:05 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: ravalum@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:19:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: NRR Re: I CAN'T HELP IT!!! Reply-to: Faro@usa.net In-reply-to: <346CE856.7316@pacbell.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk While listening to "Barbie Girl" recently.. I was kind of reminded of the Blue Angels Green Eggs and Ham posting... I know I know, that thread died gracefully (or not depending on your perspective) and I shouldn't bring it up again... But I am curious if Aqua had the: "two syllables and rhymes with flat tire" thought in their head when they wrote the song. You know.. lyrics like: "Laughing plastic.. it's fantastic.." or "Make we walk.. make me talk.. do what ever you please.." I'm just curious what their intentions were when the made the song with it's catchy little tune... -Faro Faro@usa.net > Try as hard as I can to deny it, but no more can I... > > I ABSOLUTLY LOVE AQUA!!! You know that chic and dude that sing "Barbie > Girl" & "Candyman" Make fun of me all you want but they just push my > buttons-so cute, yet erotic in a strange way. She's a raver, ohh and > the guy in the Barbie video with the bleached blonde very spiky hair is > soooo cute-he's my type of guy. > > Sorry about spamming, but I just saw the vid for the first time today > and confronted my denial and had to tell someone. > > TERESA From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 03:25:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12620 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 03:25:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 12609 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 03:25:53 -0000 Received: from mrin58.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin58.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.168) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 03:25:53 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA14871 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:25:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:25:25 -0500 (EST) From: Yellwtayl@aol.com Message-ID: <971114222524_194596395@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Hello and thanks, sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello, everyone. This is my first time posting to the list. I’ve been reading the posts for about a month now, and I wanted to let all of you know how cool it is to be able to read your posts and see what the scene is all about before jumping in and experiencing it myself. I became interested in raves when a friend of mine played some stuff for me, and over a period of time I have come to appreciate the music more and more, but have never attended a rave, and don’t know people who do. Because of all of you I have found myself feeling more comfortable in trying to reach out and participate. I know that this sounds pretty strange to you people who have been into the scene for a while, but it’s hard when you’re isolated and don’t know if you’ll fit in to a new place, especially because I think most of you are alot younger than I am--I’m at the ripe old age of 28. What is so cool about this list is that there seems to be an openness towards all kinds of styles and differences, and this is what I think the spirit of raving is all about. So, (sorry to ramble on), I have bought my ticket for sinister for tomorrow night, and am anxiously looking forward to it. Hopefully I’ll be able to meet some of you in person and be able to say hello. And if you see some *really* old guy walking around ( : )) , say hi-- it might be me. Erik. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 03:37:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15500 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 03:37:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 15492 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 03:37:35 -0000 Received: from jazz.citiscape.com (206.40.4.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 03:37:35 -0000 Received: from citiscape.com by jazz.citiscape.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id TAA02995; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:39:08 -0800 Message-ID: <346CA959.8B8F9FAB@citiscape.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:41:16 +0000 From: Robert Pointer Reply-To: rwpointer@citiscape.com Organization: CITISCAPE Media Design, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yellwtayl@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Hello and thanks, sfraves References: <971114222524_194596395@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ahhhhhhh! > especially because I think most of you are alot > younger than I am--I’m at the ripe old age of 28. > Hopefully I’ll be able to > meet some of you in person and be able to say hello. And if you see some > *really* old guy walking around ( : )) , say hi-- it might be me. > > Erik. Just when I had gotten over my age insecurity, somebody has to make it an issue again! (wink, wink, grin, grin, smile... :) ah well! welcome, welcome! Bring on the Geritol, baby.... rob. http://www.citizenmag.com p.s. I have almost officially turned into a lurker these days. I can't wait until I can blast into the threadz again with a vengeance when my work load eases! BTW, I got to meet Megan Hug of the list in S.F. earlier this week at the Invision Awards! It was my first exposure to real (rather than virtual) people on the list! WooooHoooo! It was tres, tres, cool. WASSSUP, MEGAN!!!!!! (hey... you should post something sometime..... ;) p.s.s. I got Earth 2 (LTJ and crew). Tightest album for me this month. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. Alrighty, back to work. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 10:31:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15390 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 10:31:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 15382 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 10:31:02 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 10:31:02 -0000 Received: from raverdude (ppp-206-170-4-78.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.78]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id CAA01151 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:30:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711151030.CAA01151@mail-gw.pacbell.net> From: "Eric Vandenbroek" To: Subject: My first rave..... Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 02:28:30 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk my first party I will never forget. It is permintaly embbeded in my memory. It was 2012, last year. I knew a lot about "Techno" from my cousins in Germany and Holland. The were the first people to introduce me into the music. Anyway about the party. I was going there thinking I am going to meet a lot of new people who like the music. Well I show up there, and WOW!!!! Just the energy in the place was incrediable. That partyis what set me on the path to where I am now. In that one party I learned more about the energy this universe carries than I learned anything in school. I can't wait until the next Goa party I go to, whenever I find one again. Just my input on peoples first parties. Eric J. Vandenbroek From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 20:38:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2109 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 20:38:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 2100 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 20:38:29 -0000 Received: from x86.webcom.com (209.1.28.59) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 20:38:29 -0000 Received: from e4001 (e4001.webcom.com [209.1.28.62]) by x86.webcom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA21496; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from fmali.mtnweb.com by e4001 (WebCom SMTP 1.0.2) with SMTP id AAAa000Ty; Sat Nov 15 12:38:21 1997 -0800 Message-ID: <346E089B.1C1@santacruz-ca.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:39:55 -0800 From: Suger Reply-To: suger@santacruz-ca.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Biquody" CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Raver Couples References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk O'Biquody wrote: > > i am interested in the subject of couples in the rave scene. it seems to > me that most of the long term couples i see at raves are of the more > geriatric variety. why might this be so? since i am currently in a long > term relationship (and loving it) i am also curious to hear others > thoughts on the good and bad aspects of this phenomenon. has the > relationship had a positive or negative effect on your raving experience? > or neither? > > speaking for myself, as a raver-g, i am dating a younger woman and have > been since march. it's quite wonderfull actually. but it has effected my > rave behavior fer sher. rave flirting, a completely different beast than > regular flirting, is out the door. people are associating me with a > "couple" rather than as an individual, and that is chapping me a bit, but > to be expected. and likewise, the social dynamic twixt me and others is > somewhat changed; much less one on one conversations, and when i do go by > myself the main topic of conversation seems to be "where's beth" rather > than "how are you". perhaps it has everything to do with how we carry > ourselves. for instance, my sig. other doesn't like to split up at > parties very often. > > anyways i'm interested to hear other people's trials and tribulations in > this area, as well as their wonders and joys. > > ---->O'Biquody > > ================================================================== You know perhaps it is just me... but how many teenagers have long term... healthy relationships... over all... prolly not that many... i doubt the drugz... help matters at all... and well... that whole attention thing... can be really annoying to... wish i wasn't old... but the ''love'' is sure cool.... --SugeR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 20:42:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4331 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 20:42:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 4143 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 20:42:20 -0000 Received: from value.net (root@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 20:42:20 -0000 Received: from [207.33.94.149] (oak4-149.value.net [207.33.94.149]) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA03387 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:42:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:51:42 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: glittergirl@value.net (eeneR) Subject: Re: RAVING IS A CULT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk AHHH MEEE!!!! "What we have here is a faliure to communicte..." there is no right or wrong here, there will be no winner ot this debate. yes, the kids are getting younger and younger, but they are also getting older. everyone goes for a different reason. there are sixteen year olds who know themselves a lot more than some twenyfive year olds do. who is anyone to say that anyone else is ready to do anything or take drugs. our society at a whole has a very addictive personality. Look at all the bars in the City, how many people smoke, eat sugar, dah, dah dah, dah, dah.... it is all about the beat in everyone. i do not need music to dance there is music in my soul and when i dance i dance with the grandfather sky and grandmother earth and the spirit of my relatives and all the people that have touched my life and the nice bum that smells up my work two minutes after she steps in and my little brother marcos and every rock pulsates with power and a ray of energy leaves my body and makes me one and all. do you feel me touch you when we dance? there are people that are never going to understand or feel or know or anything else we want to say. sometimes i wonder about this here and now that we call life. i look at that bum and wonder why she is there, then i look at myself and wonder why i am here. why are any of us here, runnin' in this great big rat race, against time. but when i am grooving to just about any thing with a beat [including the washing machine, i finally heard it the other day when there was no one else making noise:-)] i realize that it does not matter and that "everythings gonna be alright." :-) happiness and fairy dust, Renee' * In a message dated 97-11-04 06:33:49 EST, you write: I'm just rambling, but I do believe raving is a very addictive thing. It's just not an addiction I'm ready to give up on yet.... >> I agree with this statement!!! I might be the "little teenager" as well, but I have my perogatives down pretty well. I don't go to parties to get "fucked up", in fact, I barely ever take chemicals into my system, and when I do, I make sure that I am doing so in the most responsible manner possible. I never take anything when I am depressed. I make sure that I am never running away from the problem. I make sure that I am always in control, or if a possiblility of me losing control in the near future arises, I make sure that there is someone there to watch/tend/help me. I'm in it for the love of the music, the love of seeing tons of strangers dancing to the same beat, and the love of meeting new and interesting people.. I try to keep my life as balanced as possible and not let partying EVER get away from my priorities, ie school, job etc. The main reason why I am blabbing my fingers off is because I want everyone to know that not all teenagers are just completely absorbed with posing, getting fucked up, and are irresponsible and ignorant. I don't think that age is the main determiner of which individual possesses these traits. I'm sure there is a fair amount of adults in this scene who are just as guilty of possessing these traits just as much as any teenager. =P Had to let it out. -=~*LaUrE@*~=- >AHH!!! BYroni's message struck home. I'm the little lost teenager raving all >the time. First, you go to your first rave, and it's incredible, and you >love the music and the people, and you want to do it again. So you do. You >get the clothes and you trade jewelry and accessories. You love to party. > You meet promoters and Djs and kids that are so kewl you can't be without >them. So you meet other ravers that live near you and hang out on weekends. > You go to school, promote, and party. That's it. No time for anything >else, but it doesn't matter,because you don't want to do anything else. > SOon, you're at the parties on weekdays and listening to your mixtapes while >you do your homework. All your friends are ravers, and you can't talk to >your old friends because they don't understand the experiences you've had. >But you know what?? I'm stuck here, and there's no turning back. For me, >it's a good thing... because I may be the stereotyped little party kid that >Byroni was talking about, but at least I know I belong somewhere. Parties >and music are an obsession. I live for the next weekend. However, I'd like >to think I'm different then some of the other kids. most of us do have jobs, >and I"m still in school and I'm doing good at it. I'm not the kid sneaking >out hoping not to get caught, because my parents know where I am. So there's >different cases. I'm just rambling, but I do believe raving is a very >addictive thing. It's just not an addiction I'm ready to give up on yet.... > > hugs n'stuff, > 'trice the tekno diva <<>> > >Byroni Said:: > ><< I can't agree with you more brother... > > When I go to a party I really just focus on the music, visuals, > spirituality, and that special someone if she's with me. I don't waste my > energy watching other people, being concerened with them or watching > circles of dancing ego-trippers. It has always been about my love for the > music and my interest in high levels of consciousness. > > I'm becoming very disenchanted with parties in general. Other than the > parties thrown by Vlad and Martin I have little or no interest in spending > my time or money at massives. The entire *rave* culture has > metamorphisized into a mass of 16 year old school kids. Not only do they > (generally) a) have no clue whose spinning at any given time b) listen to > the music 1/2 the time b) take drugs to *fit in* and end up going > overboard and getting sick and feeling shitty all night. Then they want > you to baby sit them. This ruins the entire experience. I feel like kids > shouldn't even be let into these parties. Especially since drug usage is > so prevelent.. I'm a 22 year old adult indirectly condoning kids > getting wasted. They don't even know who they are and they're taking all > these extremely powerful chemicals on a regular basis. It's just wrong. > This alone will destroy the scene. Once this generation of ravers become > disenchanted with the scene and start talking shit about it. I dunno. It's > such a high level thing and all these people are stuck in the physical. > They don't realize how magical this all is. it's not something you do to > fit in, it's something you do to get a better understanding of yourself, > others and the universe as a whole. Music, chemicals and visuals.... take > you places.... and I don't think most of these kids are ready for it... or > even aware of where they're going to be taken. > > And to add a little more.... I'm so sick of all these Tommy Hilfiger > wearing kids... trying so hard to fit in... wearing clothes that are so > overpriced... and they must feel like they have to be wearing what > everyone else is.... I remember being this way.. wanting to wear the new > Nikes back in 5th and 6th grade... but now it's not shoes that these kids > are doing to fit it... it's so much more... and the consiquences are so > much greater.... > > And once little Debi starts raving with her friends... and starts having > all these powerful experiences.... what could compare to this?? In no way > would a date to the movies with Johnny Jones compare... who wants to go > home by 9??? Why not stay out all night and have a mind blowing (no pun > intended) experience?? What is better than that? Raving is the ultimate > exerience.... and once you attain such a life style it's hard to get out > of it if you're in it for the wrong reasons... and eventually their lives > lead into a downward spiral.... and only the ones that are true to > themselves and the scene will prevail... and the little ravers will all be > home alone, depressed and lonely.. wondering what happened to the times of > raving with their friends and realized the stupid decisions they made > based on what their friends were doing... and where are those friends > now??? sigh... > > Before it was something you would do because you loved the music... now > it's passing all barriers of lifestyles that everyone is getting into it.. > and this includes the people and ideals that Derek and myself wanted to > get away from.... Raving was meant to be a thing for people who really > cared about the world and others.... and wanted to spend time in more > spiritually aware environment.... but now people see how much $$$ they > can make and are exploiting this magic.... there is no price tag placed > on a night that is filled with magic... a night that enlightens you... a > night that changes you forever... a night like Love Affair, Freedom, > Basics, etc.... lets think about the long term destruction of this magic > instead of short term financial gain... > > I could go on forever..... it's just that this entire scene is so > important to me... and the way it makes me feel is unparalleled... it's > what I'm about as a 22 year old... in this fvcked up society, corrupt > government, this dieing world... it's a passion... and it's being torn out > of my arms... > >> From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 21:20:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11902 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 21:20:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 11890 invoked by uid 24); 15 Nov 1997 21:20:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 22210 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 02:07:56 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 02:07:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19971115020226.20398.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.57.69] by web1; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:02:26 PST Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:02:26 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: Re: "rave related or not" (was Re: words from a nerds bird.) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I think we ought to ammend the mandate- because personally I get bored shitless about endless diatribes on beatmatching. And yet at the same time- I like the fact that this group has similar interests. And I like to know what's happening in the area. So, for myself, I would not want to unsubscribe from the group- its jsut that the posts on veggie thanksgiving are starting to have way more appeal to me than how LTJ Bukems last show. So what should we do- I dont have the answer except click on any post that seems uninteresting to you and keep your inbox clean. pj fuzzy ---dj radon wrote: > > > On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Messiah Wannabe boldly asserted: > > > > > > > flame! flame! flame! i think just about everyone around these here > > parts likes to hear from foolish fish, rave related or not. i know i > > do... > > Well, part of the sfraves charter that everyone receives when they > subscribe states that completely non-rave-related material is not > appropriate for the list. > > If it's true that almost everyone likes to hear non-rave-related stuff, > we should ammend the charter. > > I'd like to point something out, though. I know many great people who've > unsubscribed from the list because of high volume. Essentially, we lose > the potential contribution of a lot of people who _do_ limit themselves > to rave-related postings by allowing run-away NRRs. > > Not to mention that with excessive volume, some people (like me) tend to > delete a lot of messages without reading them. This has the effect of > dilluting everyone's ability to communicate. Who knows what beautiful or > interesting posts are getting thrown away just because people can't keep > up with the traffic. > > If we all limit ourselves to fewer, higher quality postings, then the > important stuff doesn't get drowned out by the noise. > > -radon > > ps. despite what I said here, I thought josh sorkin's post (earlier > today, "a little bit of infinity", which I would call NRR) was RAD! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -messiah wannabe > > > > > > ---Sharif Torpis wrote: > > > > > > Ever see that Rocky & Bullwinkle episode where Boris plans to take > > over the > > > world with a "stupid" raygun? You blast somebody and they become > > stupid, > > > lose all notion of common sense and intelligence? But when Boris fires > > > at Bullwinkle, nothing happens. Boris exclaims, "No brain no effect." > > > > > > I suspect the raygun would have no effect on you either. > > > > > > I know, I know, it really *is* OK to post self-admitted "foolish > > > things" to this list. No need to reply. > > > > > > > Some foolish things to tell your friends when you cant > > > > think of anything better to say.... > > > > > > > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 21:21:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12385 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 21:21:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 12319 invoked by uid 24); 15 Nov 1997 21:21:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 501 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 05:23:08 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 05:23:08 -0000 Received: from [165.113.171.71] ([165.113.171.71] (may be forged)) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA11318; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:23:11 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: nicola@saturn5.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:25:04 -0700 To: dhchung@hyperreal.org From: nicola@saturn5.com Subject: Tribal Future Pres. Rhythm Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey Derrick, I hope that it isn't too late to submit this to you, so here goes: Mark (of Ameba fame) and I have started up a once a month party at 1015 Folsom called Rhythm. Last month was out first one and it went really well, only thing is that we missed seeing our friends from SF Raves. Here are the details: Upstairs djs: Buna, Laron, Benji (SR) will be playing down tempo and other funky beats. Bassment: Jeff T., Tony , Tracy, Simon will be groovin' We kick things off at 10:00 so if you show up before 10:30 it's free, after that it's $7 with ID. Oh, I just about forgot the really important part!! The date for this event is November 19th.. We are currently having the party on the 3rd Wednesday of the month...I hope that we see you there. Peace, Dj Tracy " =?= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 21:33:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15138 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 21:33:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 14961 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 21:33:06 -0000 Received: from linex1.linex.com (HELO relay.linex.net) (199.4.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 21:33:06 -0000 Received: from linex4.linex.com (linex4.linex.com [206.54.38.14]) by relay.linex.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA10644 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from linex.linex.com by linex4.linex.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA10581; Sat, 15 Nov 97 13:30:56 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: aminita To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Best experience of My Life:Rave Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk it was the most immaculate night ever! it was a party put on my Friends and Family in Nov. of 1994. It was at 20th and Illinois in the city. A break in. the cops had already shown up during the set up and were told that the party had already been busted and they were in the process of tearing down- so we were chill for the evening no more cops again. The only DJ I remember is John Howard. He rocked. There were four bonfires inside this warehouse with leaky holes everywhere and broken windows. It was raining, so you know how those nights go. Pants wet to the knees but you don't care cause you got to dance. Well here's the BEST part! There was a huge barge out back and some cranes. So we scaled the wall on these pipes praying that they wouldn't break beneath our weight and send us into the mucky infested still bay water below us. We all got across ok. What made me do this? Well I guess just the fact that I was with three spuniuns and didn't know it at the time and was excited by the idea of the adventure. We hopped the fence and explored the enormous ship with all it's dark corners. And of course we had to have some idiot with us who climbed the crane and started to play. It was so LOUD! Well we finished our exploring and went back to the party to dance some mmore. It was a large marin crowd which I liked because I knew most of the peolple as a result or came to know them later on. in fact I loooooooooooved the party so much that I took my friend home, all the way back to mill valley, and then came back to the pary and went on to the morning after party back in marin. No beats just gerped fools kickin it as the sun tried to rise behind the clouds that still hovered above. WHAT A NIGHT! Haven't stopped since! Going onto my fourth year now. It seems like it's been 8 years!! Well, I do believe raving is an addictive thing---- the desire to let your soul vibrate with every rythmn. You can always find at least one party with one DJ you just gotta hear or life might just as well be over! (Slight exageration) Well I gotta chill on that for a bit now. First break that I have had to take since I started--why?---well Cal is kinda getiing to me. :( I don't miss the most important shows though. Love Ya All! Love the fact that you are all my brotha's and sista's just cause you have fallen in love with the same rythmn that I have.... aminita . . . . . . . . shira (my real name) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) ;) :) :) :) ;) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 21:51:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19118 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 21:51:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 19110 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 21:51:09 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 21:51:09 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13368; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:00:42 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jsl-thz@v-site.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:52:19 -0800 To: glittergirl@value.net (eeneR) From: Megan Haggerty Subject: Re: RAVING IS A CULT Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 1:51 PM -0800 11/15/97, eeneR wrote: >AHHH MEEE!!!! "What we have here is a faliure to communicte..." there is >no right or wrong here, there will be no winner ot this debate. yes, the >kids are getting younger and younger, but they are also getting older. >everyone goes for a different reason. there are sixteen year olds who know >themselves a lot more than some twenyfive year olds do. Lemme guess... you're sixteen, right? I am not going to discredit your, or anyone else's, self discovery. I suggest you do the same. Being 25 can be a hell of a lot more confusing that 16 EVER was, hon. People have different levels of knowing themselves throughout their entire lives. >who is anyone to >say that anyone else is ready to do anything or take drugs. our society at >a whole has a very addictive personality. Look at all the bars in the >City, how many people smoke, eat sugar, dah, dah dah, dah, dah.... Just because our culture's personality is addictive doesn't mean that we should feed into that addiction. It doesn't make it okay that there are kids (who's parents ares **still legally reaponsible** for them, not to mention love their children more than those children will ever understand until they have kids of their own) out all night doing whatever they might be doing. You can give me the line I gave my mom, "Not *everyone* does drugs at raves." But I've been to way too many parties to belive that one. About 3 years ago, two kids, ages 15 & 16, were shot and killed at a rave in San Diego. It rocked the scene, as well, as made front page news. It was very sad. I was discussing it with my mother (I was 21 at the time) and she asked me, "What the hell were they doing out there in the first place?" I had no argument for her. Granted, it could have happened to anyone, but it didn't. It happened to 2 beautiful children. This is what parents worry about - the fact that something like this COULD happen. Drug overdoses DO happen. These dangers are not made up to scare kids into doing whatevr their parents tell them to. They are realities of this crazy world we live in and raves are not exempt from tragedy. You say kids are "getting older." Please explain to me, what is the rush to do this? >it is all about the beat in everyone. i do not need music to dance there >is music in my soul and when i dance i dance with the grandfather sky and >grandmother earth and the spirit of my relatives and all the people that >have touched my life and the nice bum that smells up my work two minutes >after she steps in and my little brother marcos and every rock pulsates >with power and a ray of energy leaves my body and makes me one and all. >do you feel me touch you when we dance? there are people that are never >going to understand or feel or know or anything else we want to say. Our culture is not one which values it's youth. If I used your logic of "it's the status quo so we should all do it", I would use this as an excuse for you being misunderstood. But I will not. I will tell you that your ideas & feelings are beautiful are real. I trust that you know what you are talking about. But might I suggest you trust that others know what they are talking about, too? You are no less intelligent that anyone older that you but please give your elders credit for their extra years of experience. If you don't want to be shut out, do not shut out others. >sometimes i wonder about this here and now that we call life. i look at >that bum and wonder why she is there, then i look at myself and wonder why >i am here. why are any of us here, runnin' in this great big rat race, >against time. but when i am grooving to just about any thing with a beat >[including the washing machine, i finally heard it the other day when there >was no one else making noise:-)] i realize that it does not matter and that >"everythings gonna be alright." :-) >happiness and fairy dust, >Renee' >* Hapiness and fariy dust? Hmmm... Am I really that old that I'm not able to relate to this? I guess so. Megan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 21:56:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20822 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 21:56:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 20814 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 21:56:50 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 21:56:50 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA12204; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:56:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971115135733.0068f920@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:57:33 -0800 To: suger@santacruz-ca.com From: Christoph Subject: Re: Raver Couples Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <346E089B.1C1@santacruz-ca.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In response to your curiosity about couples on the rave scene... My boyfriend Steve and I have been dating for about five months (I know that's not really long-term, but anyway...). Steve is the one who introduced me to electronic music and the rave scene. I am a musician, and was previously interested in rock. I had lately become very apathetic about music, though. However, after attending a few raves and going out and buying all of the Rennaissance CD collections, my mind was made up that I want to work in electronic music, instead. As far as Steve & I & the scene goes, it works out really good. Steve can only afford (both money-wise and time-wise) to go about once a month, and I can go about twice a month. So I have one time a month to go with Steve, and be just with Steve, and have a great time with him. Then, I have another time to go with my friends and meet people and make connections on the scene. So, like I said, it works out great! -->Chris ----->VespaRaver (aol screen name) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 22:34:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3427 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 22:34:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 3417 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 22:34:20 -0000 Received: from dogbert.ucdavis.edu (root@128.120.8.191) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 22:34:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (ez060343@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.7/UCD3.11.20) with SMTP id OAA15786 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:34:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:34:18 -0800 (PST) From: Kenneth Zanotto X-Sender: ez060343@dogbert.ucdavis.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: wonder Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I just wanted to give a phat thank you to the wonder family for having the open deck room, it was a great opportunity for myself and others!! Ken From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 22:47:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10281 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 22:47:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 10273 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 22:47:01 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 22:47:01 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26858 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:46:11 -0800 Received: from acrostic.ppp (pm-n2-42.napanet.net [157.22.193.42]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA22595 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:43:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971115144355.007995b0@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:43:55 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: llevi Butterfield Subject: wonder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >I just wanted to give a phat thank you to the wonder family for having the >open deck room, it was a great opportunity for myself and others!! > Ken > > I'd like to say thank you to the wonder family for having this party! I had a great time, even though I had to leave at one it was still fun. Did anyone hear ?Science and Syphon? In the small room on the bottom, around 12:30? I walked in sober, and walked out fucked(not on drugs). Does anyone know anything about them? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 22:52:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12914 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 22:52:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 12906 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 22:52:09 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 22:52:09 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA15064 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:52:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971115145313.00697734@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:53:13 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Christoph Subject: WONDER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk How was WONDER? Does anyone out there know red-haired, funky-fresh Jungle Diva from Sacramento, Lindsey Clark? If so, please respond!!! Her and I were supposed to go to WONDER, but stuff got fucked up and we couldn't go and ended up just going to bed. >; VespaRaver From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 23:29:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20035 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 23:29:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 20021 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 23:29:23 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 23:29:23 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SyW19523; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:28:39 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:08:28 -0800 Subject: Re: wonder Message-ID: <19971113.132232.7598.0.drek1@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-14,16-22 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You know, you are a rather lucky person to be able to spin in the open deck room when it existed. I was very saddened to find out that the jungle room would be taking over the open deck room and the chill room keeps the same schedule. But wait.....where does that put the open deck room? Sorry, 'dat shit is gone. Man I was really getting ready for this night. : o ( It was still a grEat party. I had lot's o' fun. Bye everyone. dErEk On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:34:18 -0800 (PST) Kenneth Zanotto writes: >I just wanted to give a phat thank you to the wonder family for having >the >open deck room, it was a great opportunity for myself and others!! > Ken > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 15 23:54:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24663 invoked by uid 6000); 15 Nov 1997 23:54:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 24654 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1997 23:54:18 -0000 Received: from mrin45.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin45.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.155) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 23:54:18 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA18586; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:53:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:53:51 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971115185351_-1776741414@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: messiahw@rocketmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: words from a nerds bird. Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/15/97 1:35:13 AM, you wrote: << flame! flame! flame! i think just about everyone around these here parts likes to hear from foolish fish, rave related or not. i know i do... -messiah wannabe >> me too :) natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 01:01:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4284 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 01:01:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 4276 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 01:01:04 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 01:01:04 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-220.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.220]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id RAA21356 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:00:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346E4681.6350@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:04:01 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: parachute for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery. Laughing stock: cattle with a sense of humor. For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 01:13:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6667 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 01:13:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 6658 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 01:13:36 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 01:13:36 -0000 Received: from geocities.com ([209.1.224.24]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01665 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:38:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from goodvibe@geocities.com) Received: from sanfrancisco (175-188-75.ipt.aol.com [152.175.188.75]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00092 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:36:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346E418D.304CCBCD@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:42:53 -0800 From: Paul Hayden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Sinister?? Tickets?? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Will there be any tickets at the map point or are they only pre-sale? Is the location within walking distance sorta/kinda from the map? Can you take BART to the map? Love, Paul*E*Wog From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 01:33:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10255 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 01:33:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 10246 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 01:33:46 -0000 Received: from mrin54.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin54.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.164) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 01:33:46 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin54.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA24693; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:33:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:33:16 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971115203315_494371271@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: pjfuzzy@rocketmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: "rave related or not" ><{{{*>~ Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello SFRAVES-- I guess some people are getting a bit annoyed with the fact that this list has evolved. We don't always talk about rave related topics all of the time.....and that was the purpose of this list. But I believe that because of all the open-minded individuals on this list, it has evolved and expanded into something much greater than that. SFRAVES has turned into quite a community of pretty nifty folks. Sometimes we discuss things that have to do with raves or parties that are coming up or experiences that we have.....sometimes a beautiful poem is posted....sometimes a person needs a hug and they get (electronically). Basically what I am saying is that for those people who are taking themselves off this list because of non-rave-related topics that are being discussed, then so be it. But for the majority of the people here, there is a lot more going on here. Because for me at least, raving is not my whole entire life. There are other things going on and it is the same for others and we chose to share that with eachother. For that reason, I am staying on this list and blah blah blah. So there. My other obsession for the time being is the game Dominos....can't seem to go a day without it.....see you all tonight at "vibration" I think that is where I am being taken to.....***<3<3<3<3<3***MUSHYB! or Melissa***<3<3<3<3<3*** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 01:43:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12242 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 01:43:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 12232 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 01:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.26) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 01:43:39 -0000 Received: from sanfrancisco (175-210-119.ipt.aol.com [152.175.210.119]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22906 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:37:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346E5159.470DB20B@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:50:17 -0800 From: Paul Hayden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Need Ride To Sinister X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello. If any of you lovely people out there are going to Sinister tonight and have an extra spot in your car, please give me a call. I am in San Francisco near Mission & Bosworth. I can give gas money, hugs, candy, sexual favors, etc. etc. etc. Please give me a call 415.584.9560 Thankyou, Paul Hayden From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 01:47:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13989 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 01:47:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 13980 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 01:47:16 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 01:47:16 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA25014 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:46:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from sfo-ca5-14.ix.netcom.com(199.35.210.174) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025008; Sat Nov 15 19:46:10 1997 Message-ID: <346E5039.7C03@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:45:29 -0800 From: Czefir X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: need a ride to #sfraves meet? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hi, if anyone needs a ride to the #sfraves dinner and sinister from the city give me a call: 831-7912 before 7:00 prefereably but up until 7:30 :) Megan Czefir From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 02:06:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16896 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 02:06:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 16888 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 02:06:26 -0000 Received: from mrin41.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin41.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 02:06:26 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA18151 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:05:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:05:56 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971115210556_1181325750@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: WONDER revue Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk WOOWOWOWOWOWOWONDER =) I had a nice night, although I probably didn't realize it at the time. C'mon, you all saw me right??? About to fall asleep?? heheh.. Ok.. so Nik And Bekki and I headed towards the city in Rolling STones traffic and spent a good half hour wandering around looking for the builiding where we were supposed to be setting up. We ended up at some OTHER location that was decorated just like we Thought WOnder would be. I greatly confused the lady at the door by asking for Andy and Victoria and saying I was working the water booth. Hm.. well.. after a trip to Toys-R-Us, aND some stapling and drawing and creative useage of cellophane, we made our way towards the start of the party. Yah.. I was too tired to dance much and It was super over crowded. But I had a supah phat good time and I got to see everyone and I'm SO sorry you didn't get to spin Derek, I was gonna go support ya. Hm.. What else?? Oh!! GOODVIBES =) Lot's of people to talk with when I wasn't awake enough to dance. MYSTER_E yayay!!! I even made my little poster for the jungle room, but it got torn down =( Hehehe. neways.. after coming home and freezing and going to work to further tire myself, I can say I had a WONDERful time =) Oh cliche! Hello beautiful people, I'm going to bed and I'll see you all soon!! hugs n'stuff 'trice the tekno diva Pissing outside cosmos... "Is that a hooker??" "No... I think it's kitchen staff." (there sNIKers... I remembered!) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 04:27:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6576 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 04:27:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 6568 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 04:27:09 -0000 Received: from liberty6.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.166) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 04:27:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 3868 invoked by uid 0); 16 Nov 1997 04:26:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19971116042623.3867.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.188 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:26:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.188] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Wonder-ful review Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:26:23 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I had en Excellent time at Wonder. =P I liked the way the rooms were set up... long hallways.... it was like a maze... macaudio got the party jumping with his crazy build ups.... The jungle room was pretty dope too...... I saw your sign teckno-diva :) upstairs was super-chill...with a nice selection of tunes being played. lots of water, happy faces, good vibes :) Of course i wish it was louder, but thats just me.. cause im a bass head..... Why are there not gobs of people huddled around the speakers?? Well i was dancing for a good portion of the evening and my shirt was wet with sweat..eeewwwwww ;) I met a bunch of sfravers :) but not as many as I would liked to.. I wish i was going to sinister, but one party aweekend is my quota.. ( and all i can afford) Well i hope to see you all at the next gathering :) Peace, Love, Unity, Repect Philip disordr p.s. next time I think I'll go sober.... Ill be able to last all night then without any "tirEd" spells... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 06:01:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16742 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 06:01:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 16734 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 06:01:45 -0000 Received: from u2.netgate.net (haze@204.145.147.8) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 06:01:45 -0000 Received: (from haze@localhost) by u2.netgate.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19746 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:03:53 -0800 (PST) From: Haze Message-Id: <199711160603.WAA19746@u2.netgate.net> Subject: Ride to Sinister/Tickets (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:03:52 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: haze@netgate.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk haze wrote: > From haze Sat Nov 15 22:01:31 1997 > Subject: Ride to Sinister/Tickets > To: sfraves@hyperreal.rog > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:01:31 -0800 (PST) > Reply-To: haze@netgate.net > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 793 > > Hey all > > I know this is real late and all, and I dunno if anyone will even see it > before they go, or will be able to help. However, I was supposed to be > going to Sinister tonight and the person I was going to go with (yes this > is my first rave, or was supposed to be), ended up having some personal > problems and deciding that they'd rather not take a newbie around tonight. > I however, am all ready to go and have been for the last two hours or so. > :P > > So here's my question: > > Anyone know if I can still get tickets to Sinister AND is anyone from the > southbay **San Jose Area** planning on going, not left yet, and willing to > give me a ride there and back? I'd really appreciate it and will shell > out cash for gas/tickets with no problem. > > Really wanting to hit her first rave tonight. > Haze > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 07:47:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27716 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 07:47:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 27700 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 07:47:38 -0000 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (mayer@192.100.81.115) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 07:47:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) with SMTP id XAA07833; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:47:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711160747.XAA07833@netcom7.netcom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: netcom7.netcom.com: mayer@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" , groovi-internet@netcom.com, groovi-music@netcom.com Subject: NRR -- Save NPR/PBS Petition Date: Sat, 15 Nov 97 23:47:32 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Below is a petition to "save" NPR/PBS which is being heavily cut back by those wonderful friends of demokkkracy in congress/senate -- they want to make sure the only opinion and coverage of events is spun by Rush Limbaugh.... If that doesn't sit well with you, perhaps you should sign this petition. -- Niels... ------- Forwarded Message >This is for anyone who thinks NPR/PBS is a worthwhile >expenditure of $1.12/year of their taxes . . . A petition follows. > >If you sign, please forward it on to others. If not, please don't >kill it -- send it to the e-mail address listed here: >wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu > >Cut and paste this entire page into your own new e-mail, sign the >petition, then send it on to others. > >PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are facing major >cutbacks in funding. In spite of the efforts of each station to >reduce spending costs and streamline their services, some government >officials believe that the funding currently going to these programs >is too large a portion of funding for something which is seen as >"unworthwhile". > >Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal $1.12 per >person per year, and the National Endowment for the Arts equals $.64 >a year in total. A January 1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll indicated >that 76% of Americans wish to keep funding for PBS, third only to >national defense and law enforcement as the most valuable programs >for federal funding. > >Each year, the Senate and House Appropriations committees each >have 13 subcommittees with jurisdiction over many programs and >agencies. Each subcommittee passes its own appropriation bill. The >goal each year is to have each bill signed by the beginning of the >fiscal year, which is October 1. The only way that our >representatives can be aware of the base of support for PBS and >funding for these types of programs is by making our voices heard. > >Please add your name to this list and forward it to friends if >you believe in what we stand for. This list will be forwarded to the >President of the United States, the Vice President of the United >States, and Representative Newt Gingrich, who is the instigator >of the action to cut funding to these worthwhile programs. > >If you happen to be the 150th, 200th, 250th etc. signer of this >petition, please forward a copy to wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu. If >that address is inoperative, please send it to >kubi7975@blue.univnorthco.edu. This way we can keep track of the >lists and organize them. Forward this to everyone you know, and >help us to keep these programs alive. > >Thank you. > >1) Elizabeth Weinert, student, University of NorthernColorado,Greeley, > Colorado. >2) Robert M. Penn, San Francisco, CA >3) Gregory S. Williamson, San Francisco, CA >4) Daniel C. Knightly, Austin, TX >5) Andrew H. Knightly, Los Angeles, CA >6) Aaron C. Yeater, Somerville, MA >7) Tobie M. Cornejo, Washington, DC >8) John T. Mason, Dalton, MA >9) Eric W. Fish, Williamstown, MA >10) Courtney E. Estill, Hamilton College, NY >11) Vanessa Moore, Northfield, MN >12) Lynne Raschke, Haverford College, PA (originally Minnesota) >13) Deborah Bielak, Haverford, PA >14) Morgan Lloyd, Haverford, PA 19041 >15) Galen Lloyd, Goucher College, MD >16) Brian Eastwood, University of Vermont, VT >17) Elif Batuman, Harvard University, MA >18) Kohar Jones, Yale University, CT >19) Claudia Brittenham, Yale University, CT >20) Alexandra Block, Yale University, CT >21) Susanna Chu, Yale University, CT >22) Michelle Chen, Harvard University, MA >23) Jessica Hammer, Harvard University, MA >24) Ann Pettigrew, Haverford College, PA >25) Kirstin Knox, Swarthmore College, PA >26) Jason Adler, Swarthmore College, PA >27) Daniel Gottlieb, Swarthmore College (but truly from Lawrence,KS) >28) Josh Feltman, Tufts University, MA >29) Louise Forrest, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, MA >30) HongSup Park, Massachusetts Institute of Technolgy, MA >(originally from Portage, Wisconsin) >31) Ana Sandoval,Massachusetts Institute of Technology >32) Katherine Navarrete, Massachusetts Institute of Technology >33) Mandisa Washington, Massachusetts Institute of Technology >34) Stephen Balzac, San Francisco, CA >35) Howard Yermish, Los Angeles, CA >36) Danielle Yermish, Los Angeles, CA >37) David S. Lefkowitz, University of California - Los Angeles >38) Frank S. Albinder, San Francisco, CA >39) Read S. Sherman, Harvard Divinity School >40) Stephane Lemelin, Cambridge, MA >41) Thomas Ouellette, Cambidge, MA >42) Richard Russell, Cambridge, MA >43) Nella Wennberg, Jamaica Plain, MA >44) Eric Smith, Jamaica Plain, MA >45) Alex Graham, Boston, MA >46) Dean Wei, Chicago, IL >47) Luisita Frances, Chicago, IL >48) Roy Vella, Stanford, CA >49) Alan Hellawell, Mountain View, CA >50) Timothy A. Scott, San Francisco, CA >51) Albert M. Yeh, Mountain View, CA >52) Susan Yeh,Seattle, WA >53) Jonathan Payne, Seattle, WA >54) Cena Pohl, Seattle, WA >55) David Perk, Seattle, WA >56) Robert Srygley, Seattle WA >57) Katarzyna S. Kubzdela, Chicago, IL >58) Katy Human, Stanford, CA >59) Erica Fleishman, Reno, NV >60) C. Richard Tracy, Reno, NV >61) Kenneth E. Nussear, Reno, NV >62) Christopher R. Tracy, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI >63) Kristin Komives, Carrboro, NC >64) Jennifer Goldman, Chapel Hill, NC >65) Darcy Leach, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI >66) Van Luong, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI >67) Aurora M. Sherman, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI >68) Paul O. Stern, Seattle, WA >69) Erika Tapman, U. of Vermont College of Medicine >70) Opher Donchin, Urbana, IL >71) Prof. Pamela Cosman, University of California, San Diego >72) Ari Levitt, University of Washington, Seattle, WA >73) Nathan Martin, Berkeley, California >74) Lynn Price, Kensington, California >75) Leslie Shown, Kensiongton, CA >76) Mike Boals, Berkeley, CA >77) Wendy Boals, Berkeley, CA >78) Effie Westervelt, Tiburon, CA >79) Mary Burns, Taos, NM >80) Karen Page, New York, NY (karenapage@aol.com) >81) Gary Holleman, Bemidji, MN (holleman@chefnet.com) >82) Tim Rosa, Newton, MA (trosa@world.std.com) >83) Doug Hersh, Sherborn MA (hersh@ultranet.com) >84) Ruel Little, Somerville, MA (rlittle@ascensiontech.com) >85) Stefan Wennik, Andover, MA (SWennik@aol.com) >86) Melissa Walia, SF, CA (color@well.com) >87) Tracy Brown, SF, CA (tracy@nrh.com) >88) John T. Miller, SF, CA (johncom@dnai.com) >89) M. Todd Davis, SF, CA (todd_davis@gensler.com) >90) Michael Demetrios, SF, CA >91) J. Marc Perrin, NY, NY (mperrin@sbi.com) >92) Alyse Daberko, NY, NY (adaberko@sbi.com) >93) Jessica Guertin, Washington Univ. St.Louis(jg3@cec.wustl.edu) >94) Ellen Watson, San Francisco, CA >95) Bridgitt Arnold, Seattle, WA >96) Erica Yenni, Seattle, WA >97) Kerri Karvetski, Seattle, WA (70007.4401@compuserve.com) >98) Mark Butler, Seattle, WA >99) lazlow jones, long beach, ny lazlow@undernet.com >100) Laura Bykowski, NYC, NY laurab@gbcom.com >101) Amy Stettler, NYC, NY ZiolaS@AOL.com >102) F Ben Dana, Burlington, Vermont >103) Bill Dahill-Baue, Brattleboro, VT >104) S. Ryan Quick, Yale University, New Haven, CT >105) Jerry Anne Dickel, Yale University, New Haven, CT >106) Donald Beebe, Yale University, New Haven, CT > >107) Stephanie Seery, School of Theology at Claremont, CA >108) Katherine A. Johnson, Baltimore, MD >109) Cynthia J. Halstead, Burke, VA >110) Ronald Northrip, Falls Church, VA ronnlee@clark.net >111) Jane Levandoski, University of Delaware, DE >112) Denise J. Hills, University of Delaware, DE >113) David P.Sobel, College of William & Mary, VA >114) Amey T. Sadler, College of William& Mary, VA >115) Donna M. Livingston, Woodbridge, VA >116) Karen A. Morris, Burke, VA >117) Michael E. Perdue Atlanta, GA >118) David Cour, Washington D.C. >119) Katie Sergent, Washington D.C. >120) Nathan Sewell, Nashville, TN >121) Peter Eby, Nashville, TN >122) jeff taraday, seattle, WA >123) Julie Taraday, Seattle, WA >124) Stephanie Cooper, Seattle WA >125) Kailen Mooney, Seattle, WA >126) Dylan Clark, Univ. of WA, Anthropology, Seattle 98195 >127) Daniel Simons, University of Washington, Seattle, WA >128) Kirsten Wild, University of Washington, Seattle, WA >129) Barbara Busetti, University of Washington, Seattle, WA >130) Leslie Macchia, Mountain View, CA lmacchia@ix.netcom.com) >131) Kris Wollenhaupt, San Jose, CA >132) Ann Bowers, Palo Alto, CA >133) Sue Tysko, Palo Alto, CA >134) Liza Schmeltz, San Jose, CA >135) Judith Schweikert, Palo Alto, CA >136) Joan Wylie, Palo Alto, CA >137) Marcia Pugsley, Palo Alto, CA >138) Daryl Davis, Palo Alto, CA >139) Amy Gerstein, San Francisco, CA >140) Christian Holden, San Francisco, CA >141) Stephen Divenere, San Francisco, CA >142) Karen Yetman, San >Francisco,CA(kyetman@nelson.corp.gonelson.corp) >143) Christine D'Elia, San Francisco, CA >144) Rachel Bredemeier, Cambridge, MA >145) Karin Horlbeck, Cambridge, MA >146) Mark Bourne, Cambridge, MA (MarkB@cmbinfo.com) >147) Norm Slocum, Weymouth, MA (SLOCUM@XENSEI.COM) >148) Carol Hughes, Boulder, CO (cehughes@lucent.com) >149) Susan Hagg, San Francisco,CA(shagg@coldwellbanker.com) >150) Dante Landucci, Bethesda, MD (Dante_Landucci@NIH.com) >151) Ann Dannenberg Rosen, Newton, MA >152) Elena Conti, Cambridge, MA >153) Brent Richter, Rowley Ma >154) Libby Jones, Rowley, MA >155) Kitkoon Chan, Pleasanton CA >156) Dennis Crayon, Boston, MA >157) Claude R Labbe, Boston, MA >158) Jeffrey M. 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Godfrey, Port Orange, FL (BigBob3781@aol.com) >305) Eric Leventhal, Flushing, Queens, New York (ell100362@aol.com) >306) Charles Vann, Houston, TX (cj7v@juno.com) >307) Marc Malinger, Austin, TX (msparkle@juno.com) >308) Jill Turetsky, Austin, TX (jill333@juno.com) >309) Mark Lindow, San Antonio, Tx (mlindow@sprynet.com) >310) Shannon Stephens, San Antonio, TX (shannon2@flash.net) >311) David Stephens, San Antonio, TX (shannon2@flash.net) >312) Kathleen M. Pratt, San Francisco, CA (k.pratt@sloanpratt.com) >313) Julie Strong, San Francisco, CA (cargese@itsa.ucsf.edu) >314) Jason Pate, Santa Cruz, CA (jpate@miis.edu) >315) Rolf E. Rathmann, St. Louis, MO. (QueerPowr@aol.com) >316) Cameron Wolf, Baltimore, MD (camwolf@aol.com) >317) Annie Adjchavanich, Washington, DC (annieadj@aol.com) >318) Michael Spilotro, Arlington, VA (spilotro@connix.com) >319) Zena Martin, New York, NY (zena_martin@mccann.com) >320) Starr Osborne, Auburn, NY >321) Harriet Barovick, New York, NY (Harriet_Barovick@time-inc.com) >322) Paul Donald, San Francisco, CA >323) Bobbi Rice, Oregon Public Broadcasting, Portland >(Bobbi_Rice@obp.org) >324) Mark Dorgan, Oregon Public Broadcasting, Portland >(OPBDorgan@aol.com) >325) Stephen Segaller, OPB East (segaller@aol.com) >326) Louis Del Guercio, South Easton, MA (ginodelg@aol.com) >327) Carolyn Del Guercio, South Easton, MA (CarolynDel@aol.com) >328) Richard O'Regan, New York, NY >329) Andrei Ruckenstein, Rutgers University, Piscataway, NJ >330) Paul Leath, Rutgers University, Piscataway, NJ >331) Zenon Pylyshyn, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ >332) Alan M. 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Hill, Mountain View, CA (greghill@juno.com) >349) David Miller, Berkeley, CA (david@innosys.com) >350) Stephan Schoenfield, Berkeley, CA (brook@innosys.com) >351) Michael A. Schoenfield, Madison, WI (maschoen@execpc.com) >352) Linda M. Keller, Madison, WI (linda@imzadi.meteor.wisc.edu) >353) F.J. Schoenfield, San Luis Obispo, CA (fschoenf@slonet.org) >354) Gerald J. Robinson, Middleton, WI (grobins@execpc.com) >355) Valerie Ott, Minneapolis, MN (vott@biosci.cbs.umn.edu) >356) Jim Phillips, Louisville, CO >357) Melissa Taylor, Seattle, WA >358) Abby Dorman, Seattle, WA >359) Sarah McCrea, Seattle, WA >360) David Halliwill, San Francisco, CA >361) Andria Tay, San Francisco CA >362) Doug Greene, Cazadero, CA >363) Sidney Greene, Cazadero, CA >364) Barry Chertov, Sebastopol, CA (bchertov@Sonic.net) >365) Gretchen Chertov, Sebastopol, CA >366) Bob Albrecht, Sebastopol, CA (DragonFun@aol.com) >367) Patricia Dines, Sebastopol, CA >368) Robert Cherwink, Sonoma, CA >369> Lee Eisenstein, Kailua, HI. >370) Azrael, Austin, TX >371) Cameron Babberney, Austin TX >372) Keith M. Babberney, Austin TX >373) Joel Parker, San Jose, CA >374) Niels Mayer, San FranDisco, CA ------- End of Forwarded Message From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 20:23:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 687 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 20:23:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 675 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 20:23:03 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 20:23:03 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA06079; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:21:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca11-10.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.234) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006070; Sun Nov 16 14:21:15 1997 Message-ID: <346F55AF.DD65819@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:21:03 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainmnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph CC: suger@santacruz-ca.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Raver Couples References: <3.0.1.32.19971115135733.0068f920@sfsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk love keeps you together.. regurdles of what 'scene' you are in. If it doesn't work out, then it wasn't meant to be, regurdless of what 'scene' your in :) My Girlfriend Jeannie and I just celebrated our 6 year aniversery... Raving, and Throwing raves the entire Time! It hasn't been a bed of roses the entire time, but our love and respect keeps us together... And I couldn't think of another person that I would rather share my life with. keep it Real... Yours in PLUR.... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 21:06:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6033 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 21:06:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 6024 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 21:06:40 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 21:06:40 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id QZY26638; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:05:03 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR -- Save NPR/PBS Petition Message-ID: <19971116.130733.6831.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> References: <199711160747.XAA07833@netcom7.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-11 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:05:03 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 15 Nov 97 23:47:32 -0800 "Niels P. Mayer" writes: > >Below is a petition to "save" NPR/PBS which is being heavily cut back >by those wonderful friends of demokkkracy in congress/senate -- they >want to make sure the only opinion and coverage of events is spun by We should have a rave-a-thon... ><{{{"> <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 21:15:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8208 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 21:15:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 8197 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 21:15:50 -0000 Received: from mrin46.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin46.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.156) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 21:15:50 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA11470 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:15:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:15:20 -0500 (EST) From: Tekno313@aol.com Message-ID: <971116161520_528070031@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Paging Beth Jackson... Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone have Beth's email address? Thanks! --Monty From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 16 22:52:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28203 invoked by uid 6000); 16 Nov 1997 22:52:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 28184 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 22:52:50 -0000 Received: from twaxx.com (HELO twaxx.twaxx.com) (205.162.25.89) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 22:52:50 -0000 Received: by twaxx.twaxx.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id OAA04568; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:50:51 -0800 From: "-=jack=-" Message-Id: <9711161450.ZM4566@twaxx.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:50:47 -0800 In-Reply-To: Jonathan Magid "Re: NRR -- Save NPR/PBS Petition" (Nov 16, 3:15pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: "Niels P. Mayer" , Jonathan Magid Subject: Re: NRR -- Save NPR/PBS Petition Cc: San FranDisco Ravers List , groovi-internet@netcom.com, groovi-music@netcom.hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk [excerpted gems from gems from jem's rant...] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ooh boy saving PBS/NPR from the commissars of the Congress, lest our access to free information be threatened? Dude- don't fool yourself. ----------------------- [...stuff deleted] ----------------------- And the sponsorships? Mobil? Archers-Daniel-Midland? GE? It's like being owned by the entire Fortune 500. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= yeah, PBS/NPR have been sold out for ages, as have the like of our own 'kqed' {pronounced 'kwed'} and it looks like the shit's getting stinky over at KPFA too... hmmm, sounds like a takeover, which makes sense, as a strategy for spin ctrl... hey! They killed Kenny! Those bastards! I'm a Sesame Street fan from way back, for instance. -------------- me too! what would Oscar say about KQED? 'I love trash, anything stinky or nasty or rotten! Oh I-I-I... love trash!' Or something like that... But the opinions (both explicit and unstated) you hear represented on NPR or PBS are solidly mainstream, white, male, status quo-maintaining ------------------- Agreed. I always feel like I need more vitamin C after these broadcasts... radio (and tv?) long, long before there was the CPB. It was locally controlled, populist in politics, and run by enthusiasts and volunteers. Government funding turned into government control (a very familiar sequence) killed it. -------------------- Controlling the stories is a large part of 'maintaining control', and stories are a large part of reality, particularly for certain segments of the population. It's not just a familiar sequence, it's the same sequence, as a matter of course. This is, of course, just my in-this- case-not-so-humble opinion, and should be treated accordingly, but hey, it's ok to rant about things that heinous, you needn't apologize... I've been looking for an excuse to quote some of the delightfully sacrilegious things being said on South Park recently, in which they deal, in an admittedly oblique (and thus providing some protection...) way, with these obviously incompatible versions of reality... -=jack=- (This text composed by voice) "hey! Don't call Jesus a pig fucker! [--South Park] -- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 00:41:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18062 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 00:41:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 18053 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 00:41:49 -0000 Received: from f66.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.152) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 00:41:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 17227 invoked by uid 0); 17 Nov 1997 00:41:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19971117004122.17226.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.159.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:41:22 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.159.130] From: "maya katz" To: josh@lucaslearning.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: RE: Spring Heel Jack Reviews anyone? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:41:22 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk well, it is sunday afternoon, and i haven't had the time to check my emails since friday... but i would have to agree with you completely, shj was good, but the bimbo/ftt combonation didn't work too well. they had us alll evicted by midnight!! it was crazy. i am not going to the beach today, there are people moving into my house today, and we are cleaning and moving everything in the house like mad people.... i am going insane with all the people... so i will talk to you all soon, when i have more time passin' the lovin' **maya** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 02:15:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9011 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 02:15:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 9003 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 02:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.26) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 02:15:37 -0000 Received: from sanfrancisco (173-220-215.ipt.aol.com [152.173.220.215]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28878; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:09:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346FAA5A.3B8F9A10@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:22:18 -0800 From: Paul Hayden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Vandenbroek CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: My first rave..... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711151030.CAA01151@mail-gw.pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Thankyou Eric. Even though at the moment you confused the fuck out of me, while laying in my bed trying to sleep all the answers suddenly started to fit together and a great deal that you said had clarified. Love, Paul From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 02:19:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11307 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 02:19:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 11298 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 02:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.26) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 02:19:33 -0000 Received: from sanfrancisco (173-220-215.ipt.aol.com [152.173.220.215]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00318; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:13:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346FAB48.668EB827@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:26:16 -0800 From: Paul Hayden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Vandenbroek , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: My first rave..... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711151030.CAA01151@mail-gw.pacbell.net> <346FAA5A.3B8F9A10@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Paul Hayden wrote: > > Thankyou Eric. Even though at the moment you confused the fuck out of > me, while laying in my bed trying to sleep all the answers suddenly > started to fit together and a great deal that you said had clarified. > Love, > Paul Oooops. This wasn't suppose to go to sfraves. Oh well, doesn't matter either way. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 02:40:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16590 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 02:40:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 16581 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 02:40:07 -0000 Received: from mail.crl.com (165.113.1.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 02:40:07 -0000 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id SAA06356; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:40:04 -0800 (PST) env-from (storpis@crl.com) Received: by crl.crl.com id AA08736 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:27:04 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199711170227.AA08736@crl.crl.com> Subject: Re: My first rave..... To: goodvibe@geocities.com (Paul Hayden) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:27:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: Eric1488@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <346FAB48.668EB827@geocities.com> from "Paul Hayden" at Nov 16, 97 06:26:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk With the continued derailed content I don't think anybody could tell ... in fact, it fit right in! > Paul Hayden wrote: > > Oooops. This wasn't suppose to go to sfraves. Oh well, doesn't matter > either way. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 02:45:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18951 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 02:45:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 18943 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 02:45:36 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 02:45:36 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA15048 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:44:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from str-ca2-06.ix.netcom.com(207.93.43.70) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013428; Sun Nov 16 20:27:22 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971116182553.00b0d44c@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: ascend@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:26:07 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Harmony Subject: Attn: North Bay Ravers!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, For those of you who live in the North Bay, or just like to drive, we are doing a party this Thursday... Thursday, November 20th... Harmonics Clothing Company Proudly Presents... ***DISCOVERY*** A night of House and Disco tunes w/Djs: Greg Sandler, Eric Brown, Urn Plus a Guest... (don't know who yet, but we'll figure it out) Free 21+ w/id - Beer Specials (yeah!) @ Masses 625 Fifth St Santa Rosa Call Harmonics for more details (707)571-8747 Peace and love, Greg =) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 02:45:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19472 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 02:45:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 19459 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 02:45:50 -0000 Received: from localhost.hyperreal.org (HELO brianb.organic.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 02:45:50 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971116184012.008f13a0@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:40:12 -0800 To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" , groovi-internet@netcom.com, groovi-music@netcom.com From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: NRR -- Save NPR/PBS Petition In-Reply-To: <199711160747.XAA07833@netcom7.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 11:47 PM 11/15/97 -0800, Niels P. Mayer wrote: >Below is a petition to "save" NPR/PBS which is being heavily cut back >by those wonderful friends of demokkkracy in congress/senate -- they >want to make sure the only opinion and coverage of events is spun by >Rush Limbaugh.... Has an Internet-based petition ever been submitted, and accepted, as a legal document in any situation? I.e., will signing this really do any good? >>...anyone who thinks NPR/PBS is a worthwhile >>expenditure of $1.12/year of their taxes . . . ...should send a check for $1.12, $11.20, or even $112 to their local public broadcasting station. Don't even wait for the telethon, forget the free coffee mug. Or call your congresscritter. Isn't congress about to close up shop for the year? Is this really a crisis right now? I've seen this petition going around for several months now... Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig brian@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 02:59:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22926 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 02:59:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 22914 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 02:59:41 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 02:59:41 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-250.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.250]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id SAA26560 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:59:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346FB3C0.332B@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:02:24 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR -- Save NPR/PBS Petition References: <3.0.3.32.19971116184012.008f13a0@hyperreal.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > Or call your congresscritter. Isn't congress about to close up shop for > the year? Is this really a crisis right now? They have already gone on vacation. Isnt that redundant? i think email directly to the congressmen is more effective than a petition ><{{{"> <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 03:03:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24268 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 03:03:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 24259 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 03:03:36 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 03:03:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19971117025749.29636.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [208.129.54.22] by web1; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:57:49 PST Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:57:49 -0800 (PST) From: macadio Subject: Wonder Revue.. To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello From Los Vegas!!! No im not gabling and having a good time. I am here for the Comdex Computer show, I just wanted to thank all the people that came out to the party on Friday I hope everyone had a good time? There was a bit of confusion and Minor problems during and through out the night. Im soo... soooorrrry Derek that you did not get to spin I know you were totally looking forward to that. I will try and make it up to you man. Sorry to Noah and to Alex I was being a little shit head to them.. It was a lot of stess and stuff. I would like to thank all of you that came out and Helped setup and clean up!!! One thing though we had ample fans, well we could have used more but we had a decent amount. There were several problems. One it was a limited capacity party and the people at the map point were letting people in that did not have a ticket and did not buy a presale one cause they gave some sad story about driving so far. So that was one thing the other Thing was there were like 50,000 people helping setup all of a sudden that were not on the list and we did not have time to screen or make them pay so they added to the overcrowdedness. All and all it was a OK party by my opinion. Sorry for those of you that came to hear me play and I did not look my usual crazy DJ self I just had a lot on my mind. There are things that could have been better but there could have been things that could have been worse. Stay tuned for more upcoming parties Peace, Macadio (Mack-Audio) Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 03:08:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26537 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 03:08:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 26524 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 03:08:26 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 03:08:26 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14024; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:17:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199711160747.XAA07833@netcom7.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:09:30 -0800 To: Jonathan Magid From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: NRR -- Save NPR/PBS Petition Cc: "Niels P. Mayer" , San FranDisco Ravers List , groovi-internet@netcom.com, groovi-music@netcom.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 3:15 PM -0500 11/16/97, Jonathan Magid wrote: >On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, Niels P. Mayer wrote: > >> >> Below is a petition to "save" NPR/PBS which is being heavily cut back >> by those wonderful friends of demokkkracy in congress/senate -- they >> want to make sure the only opinion and coverage of events is spun by >> Rush Limbaugh.... >> >> If that doesn't sit well with you, perhaps you should sign this >> petition. > >Ooh boy saving PBS/NPR from the commissars of the Congress, lest our >access to free information be threatened? Dude- don't fool yourself. > >When was the last time you saw anything but the government line >parrotted on public radio or TV? Never. Zyou canall the time with Ray Suarez Show "Talk Of The Nation". Although ALL public radio & TV never report on those large companies and their shenanigans. I am torn on whether to support Public radio or TV. They get tons of funding and still have th gaul to ask for more via those dumb ass guilt-ridden funding sprees? "Hey you're STEALING public radio unless you give some MORE money to it!" (Norm Howard yenta supreme). Also They have a dearth of real reporting, and that screwey all things considered sux. F-ing human interest stories, and 2 minute news snippets? The other day I actually saw commercials on PBS. radio I'm sure will follow. The way the funding works, and the amounts these "public" sations pay thier CEO's it is bound to continue to spiral upward in terms of money grabbing. I'm on the fence, someone give me something to work with. >Public radio and tv are extremely >vulnerable to political considerations; they never say anything >controversial on the news shows. Partyl true. They do deal in controversial subjects. But not subjects about their sponsors. >They quote the Heritage Foundation >without identifying it, just as much as commercial media. PBS has more >right-wing statist commentators than any other news stations. PBS is fairly neutral as compared to mass media. MacNeil report I like, although right of center, they seem pretty fair and let people go at it, calling time outs when necessary. > >And the sponsorships? Mobil? Archers-Daniel-Midland? GE? It's >like being owned by the entire Fortune 500. My centiments exactly. > >Sure, "Yankee Woodwright" is an indispensible part of radical politics, >as is "The Wildebeast of Outer Volta", but you've got to put it in >perspective. > >Now, don't get me wrong. There's tons of stuff on PBS I like- I'm a Sesame >Street fan from way back, for instance. I listen to NPR news anyday I'm in >the car when it's on. PBS *is* nice as it doesn't pitch everything at >the "age 10 and up" agegroup, especially for someone (like me) who only >receives broadcast TV. And NPR's news coverage is relatively good, >compared to USA Today... > >But the opinions (both explicit and unstated) you hear represented on NPR >or PBS are solidly mainstream, white, male, status quo-maintaining, and >close to identical to what you might hear from Bill Clinton or Newt >Gingrinch. Except for ray Suarez's show. > >When the revolution comes, they won't be invited. > Agreed. >As for the interesting local shows, and alternative viewpoint shows (like >POV, which is on late enough not to shock anyone, or Pacifica, which has >surely drifted from it's pacifist Anarchist roots), these are all >worthwhile in some sense. But they aren't produced by the Corporation for >Public Broadcasting. But the telveion sations they are on are, and thier programming (POV) is funded by CPB, last I checked. > >Which brings me to final point- what this petition is about is saving the >Corporation for Public Broadcasting. A bunch of technocrats and educrats >(in a quasi-government organization much like the Postal Service) who >decide what should be funded and what should not go on your TV set. > >This government sponsored media came relatively recently- there was public >radio (and tv?) long, long before there was the CPB. It was locally >controlled, populist in politics, and run by enthusiasts and volunteers. >Government funding turned into government control (a very familiar >sequence) killed it. He who lives by the hand of the govt. is doomed to be killed by it when it is tired of supporting you. Ask welfare recipients. > >rant off, >jem. I liked it! Peace, John "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 03:31:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3837 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 03:31:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 3761 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 03:31:34 -0000 Received: from denmark-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO denmark.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 03:31:34 -0000 Received: from 38.12.200.234 (ip234.san-francisco7.ca.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.200.234]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA18862; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:31:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346FCBE9.35A@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:45:29 -0800 From: ~e~l~e~n~a~ Reply-To: epetzar@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ~groove meisters~ CC: tsheets@saturn5.com Subject: Santa Cruz Party Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hola SFRRRRRRaverrrrrrs!!! today, since <> got cancelled, my buddies and i drove down from The City, to beautiful Santa Cruz looking for the free party, went up to the UC campus...found 3 boys w/ backpacks-n-beanies, looking bummed, asked 'em what's up, not gonna happen :( they felt bad we had driven all that way. my friends and i are a little tired of SF and wanted to meet SantaCruz raver pEEps, so we made the best of it, got happy and went to the Arboretum, the Boardwalk [reminded me of the movie "The Lost Boys"] and drove Hwy 1 at sunset, GORGEOUS!!! in the car we played <> <> <> <> the music went beautifully with our drive. so, we did make the best of it, the party would have been great, but i was more grateful to get away from the concrete jungle. have a groovy week! xoxo ~ELENA~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 04:27:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14030 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 04:27:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 14007 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 04:26:59 -0000 Received: from twaxx.com (HELO twaxx.twaxx.com) (205.162.25.89) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 04:26:59 -0000 Received: by twaxx.twaxx.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id UAA05228; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:25:04 -0800 From: "-=jack=-" Message-Id: <9711162025.ZM5226@twaxx.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:25:01 -0800 In-Reply-To: "John S. Lee" "Re: NRR -- Save NPR/PBS Petition" (Nov 16, 7:09pm) References: <199711160747.XAA07833@netcom7.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: "John S. Lee" , Jonathan Magid Subject: Re: NRR -- Save NPR/PBS Petition Cc: jack@twaxx.com, "Niels P. Mayer" , San FranDisco Ravers List , groovi-internet@netcom.hyperreal.org, groovi-music@netcom.hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Zyou canall the time with Ray Suarez Show "Talk Of The Nation". Although ALL public radio & TV never report on those large companies and their shenanigans. I am torn on whether to support Public radio or TV. They get tons of funding and still have th gaul to ask for more via those dumb ass guilt-ridden funding sprees? "Hey you're STEALING public radio unless you give some MORE money to it!" (Norm Howard yenta supreme). ----------- no shit, it's extremely obnoxious, and fairly duplicitous... Also They have a dearth of real reporting, and that screwey all things considered sux. F-ing human interest stories, and 2 minute news snippets? --------------------- you get to the real point below... [...] I'm on the fence, someone give me something to work with. this says it all: ------------------------ Partyl true. They do deal in controversial subjects. But not subjects about their sponsors. ------------------------ so we don't get news, we get stories faciulitative to the bottow line of the sponsors, which isn't what I want... -=j=- -- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 10:12:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7967 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 10:12:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 7950 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 10:12:25 -0000 Received: from falcon.cc.ukans.edu (arnold@129.237.34.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 10:12:25 -0000 Received: from localhost by falcon.cc.ukans.edu (8.8.7/1.1.8.2/12Jan95-0207PM) id EAA0000012540; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:12:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:12:22 -0600 (CST) From: andrew arnold To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: december... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey kids... i'm way the hell out here in lawrence, kansas but i'll be visiting my family in the bay area dec. 19-29th and getting away from subzero temperatures for a bit -- and i'm wondering if anyone would be kind enuf to direct me to a more-than-likely-vibe-filled-party [judging from what i've read the small time i've been lurking on this list] sometime during those 10 days... thanx. =) peace, andrew From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 16:55:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29597 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 16:55:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 29588 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 16:55:37 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 16:55:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971117165320.27957.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.57.69] by web4; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:53:20 PST Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:53:20 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: (REVIEW KINDA LONG) Next time remind me.... wonder....sinister To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hello.... 1st off next time u hear me say i wanna do two parties in a weekend... remind me not to. now that that is said... Friday night i attended wonder....unfortunately i was put in charge of tha open deck room...i had tha room organized up to speed...then a friend was feelin uncomfortable in tha hot area...and overcrowded area....this is for anyone who throws a party at this location...no more than 200 tix please....it only hurts tha vibe...and tha kids enjoyment of tha party...when i left to help my friend.. i returned wit my already set line-up changed...and sum how vertigo got to spin in tha open deck room...then tha line-up was changed... i'm sorry derek...u deserved ur chance to spin....over all tha whole night was good...thank u andy w for spinning.... what can i call it...let's just say it was wicKed. u had me movin. siphon & sience's tag team set was also as impressive as always...wonder crew tha party was a sucess...be thankful cuz there were signs of chaos... tha next night...i went to viberation's sinister... tha location was amazin...boi do i wish more parties can go off there... hell i'd like to throw a party there...after arrivin late...my ride slept too long. sorry viberation crew....i was asked to work tha map point...one cool part was thomas trouble spun a pretty good set at trance n jungle factory... sumtin to dance to while passin tha time...when i arrived to tha location @ 1;30 am... i was exhausted before i walked in tha door...tha music was grrrreat....if i thought tha night befores music was good... this was even more amazin...sho simply put kicked my ass wit his set...ouch dat hurt...and flux n rinse played an amazing jump up jungle set....i must say that was in my top 3 all time drum n bass sets i've ever heard... re-ach came on spun his absolute great dark jungle then slowly led to sum gabbercore.....wow...had never heard gabber at a party...much props to rich...now my only regret for tha night was workin tha map point not becuz it was difficult... or becuz i wasn't thrilled to hell to help terry & tha rest of them out... but becuz i missed micron & meeks sets...damn dat sucked...however i'm thrilled to help tha viberation crew out anytime...love those guys... well then sum sort of stomach ache or nervousness caused me to almost get sick...i eventually just layed down...woke up...and shiite tha party was over....i was so exhausted and still suffering from a stomach ache went home.... but i want to say that party was what i needed...thats what i want out of my parties tha correct mixture of candy kids and tha muture crowed...viberation crew did grrrreat... roll call for tha great work... terry...Mike...andy...alex...noah...li....dan... simply put much props to tha viberation crew for an excellent party. i needed this...hell even just jer stayed awake all night...even wit tha naked guy and all...lol =)~ love jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 17:26:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7148 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 17:26:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7140 invoked by uid 24); 17 Nov 1997 17:26:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 3386 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 23:16:01 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 23:16:01 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp84.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.84]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id QAA25046; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:10:59 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: "Niels P. Mayer" , Subject: Re: NRR -- Save NPR/PBS Petition Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:08:37 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf2e4$92345620$3456dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i know you have good intentions, but this email is a spam, a chain, which has been circulating around the net for at least three years. it is bogus, the email is bogus, the only point of it is to spread. you are passing on false messages. kind of like the "good times" virus which you can supposedly get just by opening an email (even though that is impossible) , the american cancer society "little girl/boy's last dying wish" and all those other chain letters. this is no different from a "pass this on or you will get bad luck" b.s. chain. the whole PBS thing already came up and they are doing just fine. Other than barney - bleccch! :P for more info go to www.yahoo.com and search by urban legends - there is a whole web page devoted to urban myths like this. please don't pass this or any other chain on without checking on its validity. love, kim .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. -----Original Message----- From: Niels P. Mayer To: San FranDisco Ravers List ; groovi-internet@netcom.com ; groovi-music@netcom.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 1997 12:43 AM Subject: NRR -- Save NPR/PBS Petition > >Below is a petition to "save" NPR/PBS which is being heavily cut back >by those wonderful friends of demokkkracy in congress/senate -- they >want to make sure the only opinion and coverage of events is spun by >Rush Limbaugh.... >If that doesn't sit well with you, perhaps you should sign this >petition. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 17:26:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7710 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 17:26:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 7702 invoked by uid 24); 17 Nov 1997 17:26:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 8526 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1997 04:48:27 -0000 Received: from mrin83.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin83.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.193) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 1997 04:48:27 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin83.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA25690; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:47:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:47:57 -0500 (EST) From: Ventrfar@aol.com Message-ID: <971115234757_-1743373691@mrin83.mail.aol.com> To: GARRISON@sonoma.edu, SFRAVES@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: Friend with cancer Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The many responses I received included inspirational thoughts and added to the collective will to fight. ..and the preliminary news is very good.....the energy is amazing. Thank you all for your support, thoughts and ideas...... Neal From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 19:05:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15222 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 19:05:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 15213 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 19:05:34 -0000 Received: from xinet.com (131.106.1.41) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 19:05:34 -0000 Received: from [131.106.110.23] by xinet.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id LAA17034; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:05:05 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:05:04 -0800 To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org From: Tony Rotundo Subject: (BSP) DEEP - A monthly Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey all! Been a while since I've lurked this list, but I wanted to jump on and give you the poop on a monthly event that's starting December 5th... DEEP - deep/progressive house, techno, etc. First Friday of the month Dec. 5th DJs: Forest Green, Monty, BioJeff. 9pm-2am, $3. Il Parata 2007 16th St @ Potrero. Unfortunately it has to be 21+ =( The web site will be up soon, probably at www.xinet.com/tony/deep That's it for now! Be cool! =) Tony ____________________________ It smells like | It's a lockroom | the in here. | Cheese! http://www.xinet.com/tony From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 20:31:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8544 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 20:31:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 8535 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 20:31:04 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 20:31:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19971117202904.9034.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.32.168.80] by attach1; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:29:04 PST Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:29:04 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Capriles Subject: How was everyones weekend?? To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk It seems awfully quiet on here today so i thought i'd ask what everyone did this weekend. well........... =) dan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 20:45:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13084 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 20:45:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 13053 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 20:45:25 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 20:45:25 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07224; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA07701; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:39:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:47:48 -0800 To: Dan Capriles From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: How was everyones weekend?? (NRR) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >It seems awfully quiet on here today so i thought i'd ask what >everyone did this weekend. > >well........... > >=) >dan BAD. Yesterday afternoon I was chilling in my room listening to Bob Marley and watering the geraniums when I heard this guy on the street hooting and hollering, screaming "You sonofabzzzt, I'm gonna kick your motherphuffing azz when I get my hands on you! You damn motherphuffer..." and on and on. The dude was shaking his fist in the air, red in the face like he was fixing to bust an artery, shouting up to one of the windows of my apartment building. After ten minutes of this business, I popped open the window and said, "Hey, Mac, what the Sam Hill is the matter wichoo? I'm sitting here trying to catch that Sunday morning vibe with Bob Marley, and you're straight out busting my scene! What's up with that, yo?" But the cat didn't even listen, he just kept on hootin and hollering, frothing at the mouth and turning purple in the face like it was coming back in style. Finally, I went over to the kid in the room next door, this nerdy guy who's always studying and keeping to himself. "You know this guy out there?" I asked. The kid had never seen the guy before, but he, too was fixing to have a nervous breakdown, on account of the guy outside was disrupting his studying. So I went upstairs and banged on the door of Icky and Thumper, these two punkrockers who live above me. Punkrockers are always causing trouble; I thought maybe they'd been messing with this guy outside. Well, Icky and Thumper were as clueless as ever, but they were blasting their music, trying to drown out the maniac's voice. Old Lady Milktoast on the third floor, she didn't know the guy either, but she was nervous as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs, pacing back and forth in her room, praying the guy would just leave. And let me tell you, we could still here the guy screaming from up there: "You got-dam motherphuffer, I'm-a gonna put my foot so far up your arse, you'll be flossing your teeth with my bootlaces! You motherphuffing sonofabzzzt!" Naturally, I was a bit embarassed in front of old Mrs. Milktoast, what with all this bad language, so I was settled to resolve this matter once and for all. "Boomerang," said she, "Please try to do something about this horrible man with his sinful language! I would call the police, but you know how they are with old people." "Don't you worry, Old Lady Milktoast," said I with confidence. "I have a notion that someone on the top floor is the object of this scallawag's rantings. You make yourself a hot cup of tea to settle your nerves, and let the Boomerang handle this." So up the creaky stairs I trudged, and at the top of the stairs I banged on the door. The door was at once yanked open, almost tearing it from the hinges, and I was looking face to face with what I swore was the devil himself. He was a gnarly, fat old greaseball with blackened teeth and bugs in his beard, his eyes were wild and seething as if he had spent the weekend on a methamphetamine bender. He growled and yanked me by the collar, ripping open my new shirt and dragging me into the kitchen. He kicked over the trashcan and grabbed a handful of soggy coffeegrounds, which he shoved into my mouth and down my throat. I struggled to escape and tried to scream, but the coffee grounds made it impossible to do anything but groan. The guy then grabbed a jug on liquid dish soap, ripped off my trousers and squirted the dishsoap up my bum, and as finally insult, slapped me in the face and threw me out the window, into the trash dumpster below. I climbed out of the dumpster and started shaking my fist in the air and screaming at the top of my lungs, "You sonofabzzt! I'm-a gonna kick your motherphuffing arse when I get my hands on you! You got-dam..." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 20:46:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14365 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 20:46:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 14357 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 20:46:45 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 20:46:45 -0000 Received: from raverdude (ppp-206-170-4-195.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.195]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id MAA10096 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:46:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711172046.MAA10096@mail-gw2.pacbell.net> From: "Eric Vandenbroek" To: Subject: Sinster Review..... Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:44:13 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This party was amazing. The lighting, the location, the vibe, the music. Just all incredible. I was wearing my yellow jacket, would would know it if you saw it. I brought my sister and two of her friends, who also loved the party. The highlight of the night, for me, is when Re-Ach, spun gabber downstairs. Thank you ra-ach for that incredible set. That is not to say all the other music wasn't good, but all of it was INCREDIBLE. If you missed this party, defitanlly look for the next one. Have a good week everyone!!! Peace, Eric Red Magnetic Dragon From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 21:00:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19431 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 21:00:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 19423 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 21:00:08 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 21:00:08 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xXYH1-0001VX-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:59:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:00:05 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Dan Capriles cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: How was everyones weekend??/Feelings about the scene In-Reply-To: <19971117202904.9034.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okey doke. On Friday I went to a punk show in the city with my buddy Brian from work. We went ot the Purple Onion. Pretty cool stuff, but not my thing. There were 2 fights that night. Oh, how I wished I could have been around plurry ravers when that was happening. On Saturday I helped my grandma move and then went and bought tons of house records. Then I had 4 people over for movies and music. Sunday was spent spinning records and relaxing. No real partying per-say, but when there is more than two people in my apartment we're always doing something music/party related. :) I'm kinda on a break from partying.... or not really a break, but a change. I'm not going to party like I used to. Mainly for the reason of getting older and re-organizing my priorities/goals/dreams. I'm putting more time into spinning, my career, personal interested, and friendships out of the rave scene. This has been brought on mainly by the extreme overall feeling of unsincerity in the scene. It seems like everyone is trying so hard to be all lovey-dovey and huggy online or when you see them, but then you don't hear from them for months on end... like what's the point?? If you love me and want to see me, then why not call or e-mail me once in a while?? When I party I *connect* with people and feel closer to them... which makes me want/hope that we'll be hanging out more often, or at least talking and keeping in touch. But this hasn't been the case lately. People are off doing their own things and fading out forgetting about the *connections* (or maybe I'm the only one who feels the connection after partying in such a intellectual/aural/spiritual setting).... so I'm re-thinking this entire *rave* thing in terms of the *Scene*... people are so fake..... it's beginning to make me ill... so I'm keeping true to the music and the scene and going to parties that I KNOW will satisfy my humanly desire for love and positive vibes (SEE me a SPIRIT on the 28th!).... dont' get me wrong, I love parties and many of the party-goers, but overall it's not what I want the experience to be (What it used to be for me, what I want it to be)..... My entire reason for going to a party is to listen to the music, socialize with friends, and exist within a setting that has no rules and regulations and I'm free to do whatever my heart desires... a place where the government and other BS doesn't exist. GOOD people spend quality time together as a collective consciousness.... listening to music, enjoying visuals and thinking of distant lands of crystal clear water and lush rain forests... and rainbows... tropic birds and wild life... of things in *Harmony* as they were millions of hears ago.... they way the should be now... but are not.... ... but that's ok, because these are people that are looking for the same things in life, have the same (or similar) ideas, have similiar values, and together we can make our lives what we want them to be... because if we stick together we can work towards this *utopian* world that lives within our minds.. we may never be able to trully experience this reality, but together we can have an understanding of the way things are, the way things have been and they way things will be if we don't change for the better... work together, share ideas, *except* our differences and move on from there.... and think about *people* instead of money.... and perhaps realize that we're all here together and are connected internally in ways that we will never fully understand... :) Sigh.... thats all for now... back to work. Byroni ps. I wonder how many of you have read this far.... :) On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Dan Capriles wrote: > It seems awfully quiet on here today so i thought i'd ask what > everyone did this weekend. > > well........... > > =) > dan > > > > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 21:23:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27797 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 21:23:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 27716 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 21:23:25 -0000 Received: from raven.dartmouth.edu (dsp@129.170.111.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 21:23:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (dsp@localhost) by raven.dartmouth.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04370 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:19:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:19:10 -0500 (EST) From: dsp To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: DISKO B 4x4 Rage Action Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Saturday Night, space children's underground party, hoo boy. Wow. The party was SLAMMiN the music was INSANE. The kids went MENTAL! Mad props to Acid Scout. Ties for _the_ most awesome live set ive ever heard with Regis. Dj Naughty slammin down the hard as a house falling on your head house with chopped up women screaming between. Acid Maria. May i say this female can spin kick ASS techno! major awesome hard as nails electro hardhouse and sick distorted techno that kept the crowd going mental the whole way through! ...Dj Hell. let me say for everyone on the floor, everyone i spoke to, everyone screaming, "...if this is Hell, i never want to go to Heaven." Unbelievable completely engaging techno music like most there had never heard. Wow. MAJOR props to Space Children for making up for some really not so enjoyable experiences and throwing a totally radical fucking righteous underground party! Also shout outs to my good santa cruz friends representing in sf! (if you are on this list get back to me i lost your numbers) great quotes to sum up a night of inspiring music "...unlike anything ive ever heard in my life. fucking AWESOME!" "...a moment of bliss, in a place referred to as hell." "...if this is Hell, i never want to go to Heaven." -garrett From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 21:53:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4912 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 21:53:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 4893 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 21:52:58 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 21:52:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19971117215044.7365.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.217.246.126] by web4; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:50:44 PST Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:50:44 -0800 (PST) From: Eggplant Subject: all vibed up To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ---MAILER-DAEMON@rocketmail.com wrote: > > Message from rocketmail.com. > Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). > > : > Sorry, I couldn't find any host named hypperreal.org. (#5.1.2) > > --- Original message follows. > > Return-Path: > Message-ID: <19971117200428.12585.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> > Received: from [205.217.246.126] by web4; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:04:28 PST > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:04:28 -0800 (PST) > From: Eggplant > Subject: all,,, vibed....... up! > To: sfraves@hypperreal.org > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > > > ---MAILER-DAEMON@rocketmail.com wrote: > > > > Message from rocketmail.com. > > Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). > > > > : > > Sorry, I couldn't find any host named hyppereal.org. (#5.1.2) > > > > --- Original message follows. > > > > Return-Path: > > Message-ID: <19971117200217.4047.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> > > Received: from [205.217.246.126] by attach1; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 > 12:02:17 PST > > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:17 -0800 (PST) > > From: Eggplant > > Subject: all... Vibed... up > > To: sfraves@hyppereal.org > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > > Man this party was quiete good for a person who has not gone out in a > > long time. > > > > Those boys of Viberation really appreciate techno whith Andy W, Sho > > and Li combined it was very top quality music. Greg Sandlers set was > > so fun, Greg throwing in musci from left to right and pretty tight - > > taste o' jungle. > > > > Science rocking the house downstairs, with a list of quaility jungle > > dj's, incredible, Siphon, how does one cat have so much energy at 5 > > am, go boy. > > > > Vibe crrew is dedicated and honest bunch of folks, proud to have > > experienced a party where the promotors went out to get good dj's > > > > Sho, Flux (smooth)and other guest which I do know names for. > > I haven;'t gone to a party with this much jungle besides step2K. > > > > Good stuff - Science is getting so "tough" yeah bwoi...... > > > > and thanks to Terri Es...t..).kio > > > > good job, > > > > ps wish chill room was a bit more chilled...... > > > > bad elements aside... > > > > > > peace > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 22:29:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22375 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 22:29:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 22365 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 22:29:07 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 22:29:07 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-23.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.23]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id OAA17607 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:29:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3470C5F0.4AB@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:32:16 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR official sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk WARRANTY CARD ON PURCHASED GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL[tm] Dear Special Interest, Congratulations on the purchase of your genuine Government Official[tm]. 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From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 23:26:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9315 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 23:26:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 9015 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 23:26:33 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 23:26:33 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA29323 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:26:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca2-17.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.81) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029303; Mon Nov 17 17:25:28 1997 Message-ID: <30AD19E7.970F640C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 15:25:27 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: In the 'SPIRIT' of ThanksGiving...(please read) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Next Thursday, Nov. 27th, is Thanksgiving. I want to wish everyone a happy and pleasant time for this evening as you reunite with your family and relatives to celebrate the wonderful joy of family pride and cultural heritage. But the holiday of giving is not yet completed, because the Next Friday, Nov. 28th is 'The SPIRIT of Giving'. Its a time when everyone can reunite with their Rave Family and Friends to spread the meaning of PLUR, and GIVE other, less fortunate, people the gift of compassion, sharing, and caring. Not to mention giving yourself an opportunity to burn of those extra calories from the night before by indulging in some Extra Phaty Beats tossed together by many of your Favorite House Chefs. (And If your family is anything like mine... to burn of some steam from the tension of dealing with those relatives that are 'all in your face' about the way you act, look, and dress!!) This BENEFIT Event will take place in a Fully Permitted, Save, Secure, indoor & outdoor, multi-room warehouse facility in Oakland. There will be plenty of convenient parking, and easy access to BART. Because of Space limitations, there is a limited capacity, as well as limited promotion. We are counting on all of YOU, who love to RAVE, to bring all your friend to this very special Feel Good party. Advance tickets are available now for only $15 at 12 convenient locations in the Bay Area. Also Your get $5 of at Bigfloor on Sat. Nov. 29th with your Ticket stub... And everyone that gets an advance ticket will automatically be entered in a Prize Drawing. For answers to all your questions, Please take the time to Read The Flyer and Issue # 5 of The GPN Newsletter.... Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html On a more personal not..... I especially hope that many of you from SFR will be able to support and attend this event. Many members on this list-community have never been to an FGE party. Our events have been labeled as 'massive' or 'too expensive'. We hope that this event will change your impression of FGE and what we are all about because We are doing this event with you in mind, and I hope that you will ALL appreciate it enough to come out and support The Event , and the Cause. Thanks for keeping it REAL.... Yours in the bond of PLUR... Vlad aka Ray Vonie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 17 23:57:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17477 invoked by uid 6000); 17 Nov 1997 23:57:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 17467 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1997 23:57:53 -0000 Received: from h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com (HELO netscape.com) (205.217.237.46) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 1997 23:57:53 -0000 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24580 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.217.246.63] by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA10197 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:57:04 -0800 X-Sender: jamesp@nsmail-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:00:42 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: jamesp@netscape.com (James Park) Subject: sinister review Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hiya, Sinister was at a pretty stable site. It had security, free water, and even orange juice near the end of the event. The ventilation was terrific so it was possible to get air and cool down without freezing or leaving the music. I like jungle very much and enjoyed the sets spun by Science and Flux. Science mixed in some stuff that sounded more hiphop to me and even a little reggae (going back to roots?) Overall, the jungle room played consistently good stuff the whole time. I was pulled way from the jungle room to the main floor because a friend wanted me to see a few DJs he said were from Detroit and are top notch. He was right. Sho and Li absolutely kicked my ass. Watching Sho spin was unlike any other spinning I've seen before at an event. He was fast, precise, exacting, did some tweaks to the turntables and the mixer which were like drops of silver falling through a beam of light, and made it all look like everyday business. I'm still in shock over what I saw and heard. Li was more aggressive in his sound and style but still came across as very casual about the whole thing. Kinda disarming in a way. Also I really appreciated the way he spun piggyback with Andy. I think this is a great way to get new people transitioned into spinning for events. Not only was it nice, but it totally WORKED. Seeing stuff like that happening between friends/colleagues/peers absolutely kicks @$$ and I wonder what other groups do this. Unfortunately since I was in the main room for most of the time, I didn't get to see the jungle DJs spin as much as I would have liked to. The vibe of the whole place was very nice, I did hear of a few things which did put a downbeat bent on things for some people, but security was able to help out and resolve things in the situations I did hear about. Highlight for me was seeing Sho for the first time. Why haven't I heard of him or seem him spin before? Yeesh. Cheers, james From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 00:02:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18492 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 00:02:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 18483 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 00:02:49 -0000 Received: from mrin53.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin53.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.163) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 00:02:49 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA23149 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:02:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:02:12 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971117190211_1671007955@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: hey everybody!!!!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Why do quiet today?? C'Mon......Monday's just about OVER!! WooooHoooo!! 4 more days till the weekend !! Smile, K??? luv n hugs, natasha ps. thank you jer hi hai (hehee had to say that) hi maya wake up trice!! big hi the Mack Daddy... hehee From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 00:07:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20237 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 00:07:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 20226 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 00:07:45 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 00:07:45 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-78.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.78]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id QAA02004 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:07:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3470DD26.4AF1@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:11:18 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: sharif torpis mail bombs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was just as mail bombed by sharif torpis. He just sent a huge number of emails that nearly crashed my system. Since im filing a complaint with his server (this is harashment and illegal) i was wondering if anyone else here has been a victim of this childishness? thanks ><{{{"> <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 00:21:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22985 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 00:21:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 22965 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 00:21:07 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 00:21:07 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10097; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:30:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA09809; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:14:59 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:23:32 -0800 To: fish1111@pacbell.net From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: sharif torpis mail bombs (NRR) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >I was just as mail bombed by sharif torpis. > >He just sent a huge number of emails that nearly crashed my system. > >Since im filing a complaint with his server (this is harashment and illegal) >i was wondering if anyone else here has been a victim of this childishness? > >thanks > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< I am not surprised, having witnessed his obsessive guerilla-like tirades against NRRs. how many did he dump on you? (you can answer privately) ~~~~~) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 00:25:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24371 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 00:25:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 24354 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 00:25:09 -0000 Received: from mail.crl.com (165.113.1.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 00:25:09 -0000 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id QAA17118; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:25:05 -0800 (PST) env-from (storpis@crl.com) Received: by crl.crl.com id AA04813 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:14:02 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199711180014.AA04813@crl.crl.com> Subject: Re: [accusation deleted] To: fish1111@pacbell.net Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:14:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3470DD26.4AF1@pacbell.net> from "fish1111@pacbell.net" at Nov 17, 97 04:11:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You were the victim of a spam filter being applied with extreme prejudice. Nothing out of the ordinary. > I was just as mail bombed by sharif torpis. > > He just sent a huge number of emails that nearly crashed my system. 1. Huge number? 2. Email crashes your system? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 00:36:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26728 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 00:36:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 26720 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 00:36:04 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 00:36:04 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10287 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA09897; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:29:46 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:38:18 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: [accusation deleted] Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >You were the victim of a spam filter being applied with extreme prejudice. >Nothing out of the ordinary. you need counseling, homey. being a control freak is usually the result of psychological trauma; anxiety about being overpowered or losing control. heal thyself. ~~~~) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 00:56:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2781 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 00:56:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 2751 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 00:56:53 -0000 Received: from mail1.sirius.com (205.134.253.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 00:56:53 -0000 Received: from pacbell (ppp-asfm02--061.sirius.net [205.134.235.61]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id QAA14650 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:56:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3470E80F.5DDE@sirius.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:57:51 -0800 From: feMALER-DEMONS-Space Cowgirls X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [accusation deleted] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Customer Service wrote: > you need counseling, homo. > being a freak is usually the result of culture trauma; > anxiety about being overcharged or losing your credit cards or the keys to your > Lexus. > > heels high shelf, aisle 19. > > ~~~~( Okay Eric, I dont know Sharif, but all my best friends are Homo's or freaks and none of them worry about losing the keys to thier Lexus. Can we keep this list on topic please? For those of you without a clue this is a rave list. Hernan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 00:57:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3340 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 00:57:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 3330 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 00:57:28 -0000 Received: from ws100.eisinet.com (HELO eisinet.com) (206.159.237.101) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 00:57:28 -0000 Received: from EISIHQ-Message_Server by eisinet.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:58:07 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:57:51 -0800 From: Veann Cao To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: VIBEration reviewee Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk it was a pah-tee night :) no ambient just a lot of jungle and dance dance dance! thanks greg. thanks to all the dj's who made my euphoric dream possible. you all spun helllllla PHAT! you all deserve a great big ol applause! =) heehee but i must admit the vibe wasn't all that graaand. saw old friends again. but didn't really meet too many new faces... not very many talkative smiley people... i was left alone with my tiggifer =~{ i would've loved this rave if it were in the summer... but it was a tad bit cold fer me... can never be happy.. it's always too hot or too cold... aw well! sowwey to everyone i couldn't make it to WONDER... no ride :( but did you all enjoy my cute little 420 mushrOom i painted? heehee veann :o) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 01:12:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8432 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 01:12:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8396 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 01:12:41 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 01:12:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 3691 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 01:15:49 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 01:15:49 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19961117171042.00a4fac8@sacraves.org> X-Sender: solr@sacraves.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:10:42 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Sol Rasmussen Subject: Re: hey everybody!!!!! In-Reply-To: <971117190211_1671007955@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 07:02 PM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote: > Why do quiet today?? C'Mon......Monday's just about OVER!! >WooooHoooo!! 4 more days till the weekend !! ***** What can I say? swamped@work.com although, it *is* 5:10.... yeeeyaaaaa bayyybeeeeeee!!!! shooga & smiles to you all! -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 01:21:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10406 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 01:21:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 10396 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 01:21:37 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 01:21:37 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.67] ([38.248.198.67] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14594 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:20:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:21:55 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: What a Weekend Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At this moment, I am the sickest of the sick (hack hack, sniffle, cough), but I wanted to say that this was an interesting weekend indeed. Friday night I went to Wonder. Allow me to predict the demise of this space for party use.... and pronto... unless something is done to 1) stick to the maximum number of people allowed into the space, not matter how many people arrive at the map point and beg (there is a responsibility to the people at a party that they will not be overrun and herded like cattle during the night) ... and 2) make a deal so the property management understands that when promoters book a space for a party, it means hallways too. Having to clear the halls for 20+ minutes while a couple of guitar-band-people dallied waiting to move some minor equipment was annoying at the least, and dangerous at the worst. However, there were some good sides... On minimal budget, the Wonder crew made the space look good with some fresh paintings and wall decorations, and the upstairs room with stuffed smileyfaces hanging from the ceiling, with toys all around, felt cozy like having a party in someone's house. And the people there were a good crowd (with a few random local heavy-metal types staring at us incredulously), and I even got to finally meet 'trice. Lots of sfravers there, which was really the reason I went, to say hello to lots of people I knew I might not see otherwise. Unfortunately, by 1 am, I was tired of battling the crowds and didn't even have the courage to battle my way to say hi to friends who were spinning.... and I fled. Saturday was Sinister from Viberation. Though I am "officially" a Viberation crew member, I felt like a slacker of the highest sort when I saw the great decorations and planning done by some of the Viberation crew (and my happy buddha and his garden of friends were happy to make an appearance at a Viberation again!)... I knew it would be a great night when it was sold out early, and we stuck to the crowd limits... which meant that it got full, but never overwhelming, and because there are outside balconies there, claustrophobia was never an issue.... and there was room to dance.... which you had to do, cuz these guys played some killer stuff. Downstair's jungle room was great, it went off all night long, from smooth, groovy stuff to that psychotic gabber stuff that Rich loves so much. Upstairs was great too... I especially loved Greg's set, where he spun jungle to trance to gabber and back, transitioning smoothly, making you wonder at the range of possiblities of music. Plus I actually got to see some people I've missed a lot lately (hi Lara) and hang out with friends ... until about 5am when this danged sore throat started... great weekend, just a lousy ending! love to all, leslie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 01:40:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15258 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 01:40:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 15196 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 01:40:08 -0000 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net (207.93.14.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 01:40:08 -0000 Received: from [207.93.14.13] ([207.93.14.13] verified) by tapeheads.ednet.net (Stalker SMTP Server 1.5) with ESMTP id S.0000011930 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:39:46 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:40:29 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Joe Rice Subject: (bsp) kitchen sink audio Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The sets from last week (James Glass, Monty, and Star Eyes) are now accessible via RealAudio from http://www.justiceleague.com/ks/ksaudio.html. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 02:16:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23160 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 02:16:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 23152 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 02:16:55 -0000 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com (madox@192.100.81.129) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 02:16:55 -0000 Received: (from madox@localhost) by netcom16.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id SAA23667; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:16:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:16:52 -0800 (PST) From: LiQUiD KNiGHT RECORDS Subject: QUeST CoMMEnT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well, I went to Quest on saturday and had a good time. I took my co-worker who is 45+ and is really conservative. I must say, I think he had a rather good time. He danced for the entire time that I saw him. In fact, I got tired and left at around 1am where as he stayed there longer and had energy still! I can't believe im so out of shape!! ha! anyway, when a friend and I were leaving the party we noticed a guy passed out, out-side of the rave with the security guards hovering over him. There were two Oakland cops sitting in their car and I went up to them and told them about the guy laying on the ground. Im not sure if that was the best thing to do because I really dont like OPD, but on the other hand I didnt want rent-a-cops trying to see what was wrong with the guy on the ground. I hope that Quest didnt get shut down and my behalf (OPD looking for a lame excuse to shut down the rave). But I also hope that the cops were able to do more for that guy than the security guards were. Well, I guess I just feel guilty for doing that but im not sure why. anyway, had a wonderful time at Quest and I hope they throw another one. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 02:23:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25705 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 02:23:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 25520 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 02:23:46 -0000 Received: from ftp.hyperimage.com (HELO mail.magicarts.com) (204.153.193.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 02:23:46 -0000 Received: from luna (208.128.205.208) by mail.magicarts.com (WorldMail 1.3.122) for sfraves@hyperreal.org; 17 Nov 1997 18:20:46 -0800 From: "adama" To: "SFRaves" Subject: Spundae + VSF = NE Good? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:20:15 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf3c8$81a0d060$d0cd80d0@luna.magicarts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I haven't been to Spundae on a non-holiday weekend since it moved to VSF. So I was wondering, does anyone go on a somewhat regular basis and is it any good at VSF? Adam From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 02:26:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26915 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 02:26:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 26907 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 02:26:04 -0000 Received: from f80.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.186) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 02:26:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 21413 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 1997 02:25:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19971118022529.21412.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:25:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: In the 'SPIRIT' of ThanksGiving...(please read) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 02:25:28 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I think "reunite" should be "reallyfight" Who knows, maybe it'll be better this year. A *no knives* rule has been added to family morals. :P > I want to wish everyone a >happy and pleasant time for this evening as you reunite with your family >and relatives to celebrate the wonderful joy of family pride and >cultural heritage. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 02:50:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3596 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 02:50:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 3586 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 02:50:55 -0000 Received: from f107.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.226) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 02:50:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 21282 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 1997 02:50:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19971118025025.21281.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.81 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:50:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.81] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, fish1111@pacbell.net Subject: Re: sharif torpis mail bombs Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:50:25 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk mai bombs flooding your system.....spam getting in between your toes, getting nuked on every port.. call the professionals.... hax0r DiSoRdR.. were here to serve you.... simply supply the name, email ip or any otha info.. and we will hax0r them and their system.. our prices are .. $0.50 per tcp/ip packet under 2000 packets $0.40 per tcp/ip packet over 2000 packets note we all do icmp, smtp, pop3, udp, ppp, slip and of course netbui and IPX.. hahahahahhaa Disordr > >I was just as mail bombed by sharif torpis. > >He just sent a huge number of emails that nearly crashed my system. > >Since im filing a complaint with his server (this is harashment and illegal) >i was wondering if anyone else here has been a victim of this childishness? > >thanks > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 04:27:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3566 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 04:27:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 3557 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 04:27:09 -0000 Received: from mrin38.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin38.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.148) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 04:27:09 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA26632 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:26:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:26:42 -0500 (EST) From: IWuVu637@aol.com Message-ID: <971117232641_-1843774918@mrin38> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: who???????? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk who here went to harmony??????????? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 04:50:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12142 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 04:50:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 12118 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 04:50:20 -0000 Received: from mrin44.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin44.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.154) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 04:50:20 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA04456 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:49:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971117234952_87173854@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: hey everybody!!!!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Why so quiet today?? C'Mon......Monday's just about OVER!! WooooHoooo!! 4 more days till the weekend !! Smile, K??? luv n hugs, natasha ps. thank you jer hi hai (hehee had to say that) hi maya wake up, trice!! :) big hi to the Mack Daddy... hehee From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 05:21:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16833 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 05:21:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 16823 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 05:21:03 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 05:21:03 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AvJ27989; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:19:16 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:10:34 -0800 Subject: Re: How was everyones weekend??/Feelings about the scene Message-ID: <19971115.141040.8054.7.drek1@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-10,13-14,19-20,29-34,37-42 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:00:05 -0800 (PST) *byroni* writes: > I'm not going to party like I used to. Mainly for the reason >of overall feeling of >unsincerity in the scene. It seems like everyone is trying so hard to >be >all lovey-dovey and huggy online or when you see them, but then you >don't >hear from them for months on end... like what's the point?? Yeah. For example, when someone says, "hey man...what's up? My name is whatever." Then they give you a fat hug. But it's all worth nothing when they fucking can't even remember your name five minutes later. It seems like at this point, people go to raves with a preconceived idea of what they're supposed to do and act like. So then when they do it, they do it because they feel like they have to and not because they want to. I don't know. In trying to be overly nice, sincere, and open in the scene; in the end it turns out to seem really the opposite. But what is one to do? Me for example. Where am I going to go in terms of a social setting that has the music that I love like nothing else with, for the most part, people who have the same tastes in music and fun as I do. Plus, with my love of DJing, where am I going to go to spin my music to a crowd that I'm pretty sure would enjoy it. Why is it so hard to connect with people at a party when they have much the same in common as I do? I don't know. I am a VERY friendly, sincere person so I don't think it's me with the social disorder but mayber something else. I can't put a finger on it. >entire *rave* thing in terms of the *Scene*... people are so fake..... >it's >beginning to make me ill... For the first time ever, I had one or two encounters Wonder, a very underground party, where I noticed the same insincerity as I would see at massive. I hope things start changing around. Bye Bye dErEk From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 05:44:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21210 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 05:44:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 21193 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 05:44:39 -0000 Received: from f10.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 05:44:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 15971 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 1997 05:44:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19971118054409.15969.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.168 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:44:09 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.168] From: "Break Dancer" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org, drek1@juno.com Subject: Re: How was everyones weekend??/Feelings about the scene Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:44:09 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk someone wrote.... > >Yeah. For example, when someone says, "hey man...what's up? My name is >whatever." Then they give you a fat hug. But it's all worth nothing >when they fucking can't even remember your name five minutes later. hrmmm...i know that many times when i meet someone, whether im fucked up or not, i cant remeber their name 5 mins later... now ive learned techniques to remeber faces and names, but still at parties, when the music is blasting and you've just met a bunch of people aforehand, you tend to forget a name or two or three... > >For the first time ever, I had one or two encounters Wonder, a very >underground party, where I noticed the same insincerity as I would see at >massive. I hope things start changing around. > I thought the vibe at wonder was quite pleasant.. i met many happy souls who were sincere not just e-ing... some of their name i remeber, some not ;) Peace Philip disordr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 05:47:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22360 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 05:46:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 22352 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 05:46:58 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 05:46:58 -0000 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU (2433@am.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.26]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id VAA27784 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA23584; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:46:55 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:46:54 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Ryan Spire X-Sender: soundz@am.UCSC.EDU To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: QUEST Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk We were hoping to get some feedback from the list about the party... >From everyone that we saw at the party, and from everyone who has left us messages on the voice-mail, it sounds like everyone had the night of their lives...we all certainly did. Thanks to all who attended... We'll see you at the next QUEST... Peace, ES From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 05:52:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23767 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 05:52:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 23759 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 05:52:51 -0000 Received: from ns1.attitude.com (HELO good.attitude.com) (207.212.125.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 05:52:51 -0000 Received: from terrapin.attitude.com (stk1-30.attitude.com [205.138.254.30]) by good.attitude.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA00157; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:51:38 -0800 Reply-To: "Rebel D Monteer" From: "Rebel D Monteer" To: "Jason" Cc: "Franky the love gooseberry" , "Mary" , "Jeanne S Deden" , "Brittany K Galbreth" , "hyperreal" Subject: Some Christmas humor, I know it early Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:50:48 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf3a2$dd8eb520$1efe8acd@terrapin.attitude.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCF3A2.DD8EB520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCF3A2.DD8EB520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paint the scene.....It's christmas Eve at the North Pole.=20 The snow is soft on the ground and the air is cold but=20 fresh and Millions of children sleep tonight with happy=20 dreams, waiting to see what the morning light will bring.... Santa, however, was pissed. It was Christmas Eve and=20 NOTHING was going right. Mrs. Claus had burned all the Christmas cookies. The Elves were bitching about not getting paid for the overtime they had worked while making toys. And the=20 reindeer had been drinking all afternoon and were dead=20 drunk. They had taken the sleigh out for a spin earlier in the day and crashed it into a tree, breaking off one of the runners.=20 Santa was beside himself with anger. "I CAN'T believe it! I've got to deliver millions of presents all over the world in=20 just a few hours from now and all my reindeer are drunk=20 and my Elves are on strike." He was roaring at this stage. "I don't even have a=20 Christmas tree! I sent that stupid Little Angel out=20 HOURS ago to find a tree and he isn't even back yet!=20 What am I going to do?" Just then, the Little Angel opened=20 the front door and stepped in from the snowy night,=20 dragging a Christmas tree. He says: "Yo, fat man!=20 Where do you want me to stick the Christmas tree this year?" And thus the tradition of angels atop the Christmas trees came to=20 pass..... ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCF3A2.DD8EB520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Paint the scene.....It's christmas Eve at the North Pole.
The snow is soft on the ground and the air is cold but
fresh and Millions of children sleep tonight with happy
dreams, waiting to see what the morning light will=20 bring....
 
Santa, however, was pissed. It was Christmas Eve and
NOTHING = was going=20 right. 

Mrs. Claus had burned all the Christmas cookies.
The Elves = were=20 bitching about not getting paid for the 
overtime they had worked while making toys. And the
reindeer had been drinking all afternoon and were dead
drunk. = They had=20 taken the sleigh out for a spin earlier 
in the day and crashed it into a tree, breaking off one
of the runners.

Santa was beside himself with anger. "I CAN'T believe=20 it! 
I've got to deliver millions of presents all over the world in =
just a few hours from now and all my reindeer are drunk
and my Elves are on strike."

He was roaring at this stage. "I don't even have a =  
Christmas tree! I sent that stupid Little Angel out
HOURS ago to find a tree and he isn't even back yet!
What am I going to do?" Just then, the Little Angel opened =
the front door and stepped in from the snowy night,
dragging a Christmas tree. He says: "Yo, fat man!
Where do = you=20 want me to stick the Christmas tree this year?"
 
And thus the tradition of angels atop the Christmas trees came to=20
pass.....


 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCF3A2.DD8EB520-- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 06:31:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29632 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 06:31:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 29622 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 06:31:32 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 06:31:32 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27930 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:30:44 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n1-9.napanet.net [157.22.193.9]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA02750 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:31:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971117222736.007a0ba0@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:27:36 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: llevi Butterfield Subject: Re: What a Weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Friday night I went to Wonder. Allow me to predict the demise of this >space for party use.... and pronto... unless something is done to 1) stick >to the maximum number of people allowed into the space, I kind of like it when there is too many people at places for some reason, I was thinking we could've fit 500 in there....well maybe not THAT many, but too much is better than not enough, I was helped to see. Thanks Bob! >and 2) make a deal so the property management understands that when >promoters book a space for a party, it means hallways too. Having to clear >the halls for 20+ minutes while a couple of guitar-band-people dallied >waiting to move some minor equipment was *ANNOYING* Yes I aggree, I was in dire need of water at that point and stuck between a wall and people for that whole time. Everything going dark....dizzy, need sit:!:%:^#@moisture..... I liked it all though, because everything has to be screwed up at least at a minimal level or it isn't real. >And the people there were a good crowd (with a few random local heavy-metal >types staring at us incredulously), Lots of sfravers there, >lots of people I knew I might not see otherwise. Actually...those heavy metal/industrial type asked me if I would like to audition to be the guitarist of their band. Not that that has anything to do with this but....I didn't get to meet anyone (just because I don't know anybody) except Katie! Also - hi Ryan! What about ENIT though? Who's going? I think that we should set up a place to meet there, waddaya say? >Unfortunately, by 1 am, I was tired of battling the crowds I wasn't, but left at one anyway to meet my mommy outside who had been waiting the whole time. Whatta nice girl. Yess yes, this isn't rave related I apologize. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 07:05:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4010 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 07:05:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 3996 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 07:04:59 -0000 Received: from mrin38.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin38.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.148) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 07:04:59 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA04014; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 02:04:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 02:04:31 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971118020430_1812881955@mrin38> To: solr@sacraves.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hey everybody!!!!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-18 01:28:47 EST, solr@sacraves.org writes: << > Why do quiet today?? C'Mon......Monday's just about OVER!! >WooooHoooo!! 4 more days till the weekend !! ***** What can I say? swamped@work.com >> Was it just me or did this Monday suck more than most mondays? Everbody is sick and in bad moods and tired.....I didn't even leave the house once today......tommorrow will be much better I'm sure.....goodnight *MushyB! or Melissa From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 07:07:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5045 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 07:07:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 5036 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 07:07:31 -0000 Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (gchan@206.184.139.138) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 07:07:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (gchan@localhost) by shell7.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA17602 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:07:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:07:30 -0800 (PST) From: Curious George To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Earthlings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Is anyone planning on seeing this? How about getting dinner beforehand, then maybe cruisin' up to san francisco and doing a little dancing of our own? ^**^ 6eor6e On Sun, 9 Nov 1997, Amber Marie Lawraine Nixon wrote: > Inspired by raves, dedicated to ravers... > > "EARTHLINGS" - Choreographed by >:)Amber (that South Bay Pre-party girl) > Featured in CHOREOGRAPHER'S GALLERY. DJ Fubari spinning LIVE! > > December 4th at 8PM and 5th at 7 and 9PM > On the Santa Clara University campus (Mayer Theater) > Call 408-554-4015 for tickets (cheap!!) > > I have been working for months on this tribute to all of you. > It is my way of saying "Thank you" for all of the genuine kindness and > big fun that have made this the happiest time of my life. This dance > won't be done until you see it... > > "Come to me and take my hand..." > >:) Amber > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 08:38:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22484 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 08:38:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 22476 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 08:38:39 -0000 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (mayer@192.100.81.115) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 08:38:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) with SMTP id AAA12832 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:38:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711180838.AAA12832@netcom7.netcom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: netcom7.netcom.com: mayer@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Zippy@Rave -- http://audiobahn.com/threads/cartoon.htm Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 00:38:37 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk "You can place two mirrors together... and there's infinity... but you can't see it because your head gets in the way" -- Robyn Hitchcock. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ==>> Niels Mayer (mayer@netcom.com) <<== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 09:13:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28094 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 09:13:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 28086 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 09:13:27 -0000 Received: from ff.vin.nl (194.151.15.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 09:13:27 -0000 Received: from wessel (wessel.vin.nl [194.151.12.133]) by ff.vin.nl (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18179 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:12:26 -0100 (GMT) Reply-To: "Wessel Kooyman" From: "Wessel Kooyman" To: Subject: DHEA Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:17:06 +0100 Message-ID: <01bcf402$bd39e050$850c97c2@wessel.vin.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01BCF40B.1EFE4850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01BCF40B.1EFE4850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, Out here in Europe information on DHEA is kind of hard to find, so could = someone please tell me if it has any known negative effects, any health = risks? tnx, Wessel ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01BCF40B.1EFE4850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone,
 
Out here in Europe information on = DHEA is kind=20 of hard to find, so could someone please tell me if it has any known = negative=20 effects, any health risks?
 
tnx,
Wessel
------=_NextPart_000_0090_01BCF40B.1EFE4850-- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 09:18:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28851 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 09:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 28843 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 09:18:08 -0000 Received: from liberty4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.7) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 09:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 12416 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 1997 09:17:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19971118091712.12415.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.232.26 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:17:12 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.232.26] From: "maya katz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sharif torpis mail bombs (NRR) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:17:12 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk who is sharif torpis? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 16:36:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17612 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 16:36:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 17603 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 16:36:35 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 16:36:35 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id LLG15945; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:36:05 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:45:46 -0800 Subject: Re: sharif torpis mail bombs (NRR) Message-ID: <19971115.194648.7598.1.drek1@juno.com> References: <19971118091712.12415.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-7,9-12 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk He's my boss you see? I'm the space deputy and he's the space sharif. Me and him are working really hard to catch The Space Cowboy (a.k.a. byroni). We've gotten really close at times but this guy seems to always elude us. The space cowboy is a young daring man. He has fear of nothing and will always tryi something new so that we don't catch him. Don't worry kiddies, happiness will soon prevail over the SFR community. On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:17:12 PST "maya katz" writes: >who is sharif torpis? > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 16:56:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20754 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 16:56:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 20746 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 16:56:13 -0000 Received: from value.net (raygun@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 16:56:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA03655; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:56:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:56:11 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: James Park cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sinister review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yeap! Sho is a *great* DJ=).....he used to spin at the weekley: MAD=). -Reagan On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, James Park wrote: > Hiya, > > Sinister was at a pretty stable site. It had security, free water, and even > orange juice near the end of the event. The ventilation was terrific so it > was possible to get air and cool down without freezing or leaving the music. > > I like jungle very much and enjoyed the sets spun by Science and Flux. > Science mixed in some stuff that sounded more hiphop to me and even a > little reggae (going back to roots?) Overall, the jungle room played > consistently good stuff the whole time. I was pulled way from the jungle > room to the main floor because a friend wanted me to see a few DJs he said > were from Detroit and are top notch. He was right. Sho and Li absolutely > kicked my ass. > > Watching Sho spin was unlike any other spinning I've seen before at an > event. He was fast, precise, exacting, did some tweaks to the turntables > and the mixer which were like drops of silver falling through a beam of > light, and made it all look like everyday business. I'm still in shock over > what I saw and heard. > > Li was more aggressive in his sound and style but still came across as very > casual about the whole thing. Kinda disarming in a way. Also I really > appreciated the way he spun piggyback with Andy. I think this is a great > way to get new people transitioned into spinning for events. Not only was > it nice, but it totally WORKED. Seeing stuff like that happening between > friends/colleagues/peers absolutely kicks @$$ and I wonder what other > groups do this. > > Unfortunately since I was in the main room for most of the time, I didn't > get to see the jungle DJs spin as much as I would have liked to. The vibe > of the whole place was very nice, I did hear of a few things which did put > a downbeat bent on things for some people, but security was able to help > out and resolve things in the situations I did hear about. > > Highlight for me was seeing Sho for the first time. Why haven't I heard of > him or seem him spin before? Yeesh. > > Cheers, > james > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 17:05:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24131 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 17:05:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 24057 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 17:05:34 -0000 Received: from fillmore.criticalpath.net (209.104.216.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 17:05:34 -0000 Received: (cpmta 28149 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 17:05:06 GMT Received: from compare14.grin.net (HELO compare.net) (208.225.136.14) by compare.net.criticalpath.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 17:05:06 GMT X-CriticalPath-Timestamp: 18 Nov 1997 17:05:06 GMT Message-ID: <3471CBF2.B5A063C8@compare.net> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:10:10 -0800 From: steve X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: San FranDisco Ravers List Subject: Step 2K References: <199711180838.AAA12832@netcom7.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk A few questions about Step 2K . . . First off, how was it? I had planned on going, but due to circumstances blah blah blah. Second, is it really every other Friday? And if so, does the venue change every time? I'd like to check it out next time (which I make to be the 28th). And where the heck is Full House? I asked Noel the night before at Spring Heel Jack, and he didn't even know . . . Thanks in advance. Steve. Who hears not the music thinks the dancers mad. -- ---------------------- And now, a shameless plug for my workplace! Before you buy: http://www.compare.net Information is power. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 17:25:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2643 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 17:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 2634 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 17:25:41 -0000 Received: from mail3.sirius.com (205.134.253.133) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 17:25:41 -0000 Received: from [205.134.240.79] (ppp-astk02--079.sirius.net [205.134.240.79]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id JAA12855; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:23:55 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: standish@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971115.141040.8054.7.drek1@juno.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:24:05 -0800 To: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe), SFRaves@hyperreal.org From: Michael Standish Subject: Re: How was everyones weekend??/Feelings about the scene Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Derek J Fieldsoe: >Yeah. For example, when someone says, "hey man...what's up? My name is >whatever." Then they give you a fat hug. But it's all worth nothing >when they fucking can't even remember your name five minutes later. I dunno, I don't think that's such a big deal. I myself am just plain shitty with names, and often faces as well. If I don't talk to someone for several minutes I may not remember them at all. Plus there's just the sheer volume of people. For example at HTM, between meeting SFR people in the jungle room, taking photos for Lotus, and running around with 'Trice, I must have met at least 40 people. Some I remember, some I don't, some who remember me and some who don't. >as I do. Plus, with my love of DJing, where am I going to go to spin my >music to a crowd that I'm pretty sure would enjoy it. Why is it so hard >to connect with people at a party when they have much the same in common >as I do? There's lots of reasons; here's a few: It's hella dark, so you can't see their faces; It's loud, so you can't have a meaningful conversation; they're way fucked up on something. Raves are a good place to meet people, but a crappy place to really connect with them. What works for me is actually calling some of those phone numbers that I come home with, and asking people over to have a cuppa, and make some candy gear. Ulrich standish@sirius.com #- #- ______________________{\}o_ ______________________{\}o_ |\ o ******* C\> \ |\ o ******* C\> \ | \ *************** \ \ | \ *************** \ \ \ \ ********^********# | \_______________\ ********^********# | \ \ \ *_*************# /- \ \ \ \ \ o ## \ *_*************# /- \ \ \ \|_| ##########H. v \ \ \ \ \. . . \|_| ##########H. v \ \ \ \\_\_==___________________\__=+==_________\\_\_==___________________\ \|_________________________||______________||_________________________| From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 18:34:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16458 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 18:34:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 16446 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 18:34:52 -0000 Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (192.86.155.100) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 18:34:52 -0000 Received: from mailsun2.us.oracle.com (mailsun2.us.oracle.com [144.25.88.74]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02593 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailsun2.us.oracle.com (SMI-8.6/37.8) id KAA09244; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:43:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199711181843.KAA09244@mailsun2.us.oracle.com> Date: 18 Nov 97 10:26:56 -0800 From: "Zza" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sinister review MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.1.3.40) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >> Yeap! Sho is a *great* DJ=).....he used to spin at the weekley: MAD=). .... and he was also great then .... zza From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 18:42:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18749 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 18:42:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 18741 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 18:42:26 -0000 Received: from garibaldi.ncd.com (firewall-user@192.43.160.250) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 18:42:26 -0000 Received: by garibaldi.ncd.com; id KAA02622; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnc.ncd.com(138.43.158.20) by garibaldi.ncd.com via smap (3.2) id xma002438; Tue, 18 Nov 97 10:41:39 -0800 Received: from ivanova.ncd.com (corey@ivanova.ncd.com [138.43.100.50]) by cnc.ncd.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA21326 for <@cnc.ncd.com:sfraves@hyperreal.org>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from corey@localhost) by ivanova.ncd.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA26001 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:39:49 -0800 From: "Corey Alambar" Message-Id: <971118103948.ZM25999@ivanova.ncd.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:39:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Sat. night? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well, come Saturday, I'll finally be classified as "old" (i.e. the 25 and over club). So I'm looking for a nice party were I can relax, kick back, and have fun with the next level of my childhood. :) Any suggestions? -Corey -- Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right. -- Salvor Hardin, "Foundation" Incoming fire has the right of way -- Anonymous From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 18:47:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20117 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 18:47:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 20109 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 18:47:47 -0000 Received: from h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com (HELO netscape.com) (205.217.237.46) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 18:47:47 -0000 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01430 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.217.246.63] by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA12133 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:46:59 -0800 X-Sender: jamesp@nsmail-1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711181843.KAA09244@mailsun2.us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:50:39 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: jamesp@netscape.com (James Park) Subject: Any more Sho(w)s? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hiya, I know Sho is spinning next week friday in town but I'll be East Coast then for turkey day. I didn't see any other events where Sho would be spinning before the end of the year - does anyone know for sure? This year, next year, ANY year date and time is fine. Also, what other DJs or groups should I check out if I want to see/hear/experience something of note? San Francisco has a lot of good people and I have enjoyed the shows and the people who spin at the very much, but Sho was one of those "satori" experiences where possibilities of what can be done revealed themselves and showed me what the next level may be like. Please do suggest! Cheers, james From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 19:31:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29565 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 19:31:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 29555 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 19:31:36 -0000 Received: from muspelheim.pc.cs.cmu.edu (HELO avalon.slackers.net) (skoop@128.2.204.80) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 19:31:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (skoop@localhost) by avalon.slackers.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14508 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:31:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:31:32 -0500 (EST) From: jimg/skoop To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: movy in palo alto tonight In-Reply-To: <19971118170539.24235.qmail@hyperreal.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey all, I'm going to that show tonite, methinks. I'm not really into Moby; I'm going because Juno Reactor is supposed to opening, and because it's live, cheap, and close. What sucks is that I'm going by myself...I'll be wearing my green jacket and a brown shirt, and I've got short brown hair and chin fuzz, and I'm skinny and about 6ft tall (there's a pic at my webspace if yer really curious)...if you see me, please say hi, as I could use the cheering up, and I'd love to meet some of you! thanks, -jimg --skoop@slackers.net --http://www.slackers.net/~skoop From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 19:34:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 524 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 19:34:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 514 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 19:34:39 -0000 Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (gchan@206.184.139.138) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 19:34:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (gchan@localhost) by shell7.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15864 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:34:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:34:38 -0800 (PST) From: Curious George To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: Mind States Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This is not rave related, but some of you might be interested. On Nov 22nd and 23rd, there's a conference on "Current perspectives on visionary plants and drugs" held at UCB. Some ofthe speakers will be Alexander Shulgin, Ann Shulgin, Richard Glen Boire, Esq., and Terence McKenna via net link from hawaii. $75 at the door, 65 pre-sale. Check out www.lycaeum.org/mindstates for more info. Stretch on through the latex boundary. send me email to discuss. ~georgeo From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 19:39:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1854 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 19:39:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 1829 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 19:39:30 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 19:39:30 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-90.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.90]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id LAA04802 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:39:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3471EFC6.40D@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:43:02 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: DHEA References: <01bcf402$bd39e050$850c97c2@wessel.vin.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Wessel Kooyman wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Out here in Europe information on DHEA is kind of hard to find, so could someone please tell me if it has any known negative effects, any health risks? > > tnx, > Wessel > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi everyone, > > Out here in Europe information on DHEA is kind of hard to find, so > could someone please tell me if it has any known negative effects, any > health risks? > > tnx, > Wessel Some women have reported increased hair growth when they take 500 times the recomended dosage. But then water can cause problems if you take 500 times the recomended. I have been using it on and off for the past year and have found it very benificial. Its best if you can get a blood test at your doctor to monitor your levels but it not needed. If you still have high levels then you may not notice any effect at all. Do a web search as there is lots of info on the web. BTW...if you havent tried www.askjeeves.com give it a try. You can type in a question like "What is dhea" or " how do you rave?" and it will search all of the major search engines and give you an answer. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 20:41:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16189 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 20:41:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 16174 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 20:41:18 -0000 Received: from norway-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO norway.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.49) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 20:41:18 -0000 Received: from 708661617 (pool040-max1.oakland-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.146.40]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02800 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:41:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:41:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711182041.MAA02800@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: murcury@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "c.m.a." Subject: 4sale: enit festival tickets Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hello everyone -- I have two Enit Festival tickets that I desparately need to sell... the Enit Festival is happening this saturday 11/22 from 9pm -6am at the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium in San Fransisco Playing: Jane's Addiction Funky Techno Tribe Goldie Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters Res Fest (doing visuals etc) Future Kulture Electronic Cinema Jungle dj's this is going to be an amazing event.. unfortuneatly i have to go out of town. please email me asap if youre interested -cassandra From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 21:39:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4792 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 21:39:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 4468 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 21:39:11 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.12) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 21:39:11 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA02459; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:37:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca1-24.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.56) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002434; Tue Nov 18 15:37:23 1997 Message-ID: <34720A8A.F3BE8374@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:37:14 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Ryan Spire CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: QUEST References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I thought the Quest was a excellent party. The Vibe was wonderful, and the setup was relay nice. Al the free fruit and beautiful floral decorations added a very personal and exotic feel to the warehouse. The music was great, and the sound was bumping. I anxiously look forward to the next Silver Pearl production and see what new ideas they come up with. Outdoing this last event will be pretty hard. Major props for throwing together such a great party. Keep it Real Vlad Eric Ryan Spire wrote: > We were hoping to get some feedback from the list about the party... > > >From everyone that we saw at the party, and from everyone who has left us > messages on the voice-mail, it sounds like everyone had the night of > their lives...we all certainly did. > > Thanks to all who attended... > > We'll see you at the next QUEST... > > Peace, > ES From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 21:44:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7490 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 21:44:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 7482 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 21:44:44 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 21:44:44 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA04749 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:44:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from sfo-ca13-13.ix.netcom.com(205.184.16.45) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004745; Tue Nov 18 15:43:59 1997 Message-ID: <34720BF2.627A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:43:14 -0800 From: Czefir X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: directions to the edge? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hi there, can someone give me directions to the edge from SF, please ? :) and also what time does the show start tonight? :) thank you, Megan Czefir From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 22:01:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14735 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 22:01:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 14727 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 22:01:31 -0000 Received: from sweden-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO sweden.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 22:01:31 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (1Cust91.tnt10.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.28.91]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25359 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:01:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347213C1.5099@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:16:33 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Stinky Moods Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Welp, it seems as though ALMOST everyone but me, is in a sour mood. I was planning on making my call to the owner/manager of a space to see about meeting with him to set up a date to have a party but I'm afraid that after I saw the former posts, I'd like to hold off. ***Uncle Noah!!! Please e-me and send me some positivity!*** In the end, people are simply human beings. One cannot expect true friendship without some investment and to think that the moment you meet someone, you've found a soulmate, is set up for disappointment. But, I think that a general sense of commaraderie (sp) and good intentions keeps everyone open to fellowship. I too have experienced a person who seems genuine and caring, but turns out to be a bit aloof and unresponsive. Cyberspace allows the shy & trepidatious to come out of their shell and be as friendly as they'd like to be as they are not judged so harshly. Please don't let icy-ness dilute the positivity that seems to prevail with this 'scene'. Don't prostitute your values in response to others. After all, be true to yourself 'cause in the end, that's who you answer to. Hm... maybe I will make the call anyway. -TRACY PS. Is everyone still down for my place? PPS. SolR... when can we go foraging? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 22:12:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19056 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 22:12:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 19027 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 22:11:59 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 22:11:59 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA20401; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:11:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971118141304.0069941c@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:13:04 -0800 To: Aurora8 From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: Stinky Moods Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <347213C1.5099@earthlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Have your party! I'm not in a sour mood, and I know some select others who also are not. So have your party, and we'll all be happy together! VespaRaver At 02:16 PM 11/18/97 -0800, you wrote: >Welp, it seems as though ALMOST everyone but me, is in a sour mood. I >was planning on making my call to the owner/manager of a space to see >about meeting with him to set up a date to have a party but I'm afraid >that after I saw the former posts, I'd like to hold off. ***Uncle >Noah!!! Please e-me and send me some positivity!*** In the end, people >are simply human beings. One cannot expect true friendship without some >investment and to think that the moment you meet someone, you've found a >soulmate, is set up for disappointment. But, I think that a general >sense of commaraderie (sp) and good intentions keeps everyone open to >fellowship. I too have experienced a person who seems genuine and >caring, but turns out to be a bit aloof and unresponsive. Cyberspace >allows the shy & trepidatious to come out of their shell and be as >friendly as they'd like to be as they are not judged so harshly. Please >don't let icy-ness dilute the positivity that seems to prevail with this >'scene'. Don't prostitute your values in response to others. After all, >be true to yourself 'cause in the end, that's who you answer to. >Hm... maybe I will make the call anyway. >-TRACY >PS. Is everyone still down for my place? >PPS. SolR... when can we go foraging? > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 22:23:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22845 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 22:23:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 22835 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 22:23:30 -0000 Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (38.8.210.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 22:23:30 -0000 Received: from plymouth.kaoinfo.com by relay3.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA13402; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:23:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jody_Orsburn_at_KaoFremont@kaoinfo.com Received: from ccMail by smtp.kaoinfo.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 47215840; Tue, 18 Nov 97 17:24:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:24:41 -0500 Message-ID: <47215840.1962@kaoinfo.com> Subject: NRR: Oh my gosh To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I just realized something. With work being busy, and always trying to have fun, the time has jammed by!!! Hey Peeps! A week from today, will mean 1 month till Christmas! (5 Weeks) With all the down souls today, just remember, it's almost time to be jolly! peace. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 22:25:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23826 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 22:25:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 23816 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 22:25:52 -0000 Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (38.8.210.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 22:25:52 -0000 Received: from plymouth.kaoinfo.com by relay3.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA14375; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:25:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jody_Orsburn_at_KaoFremont@kaoinfo.com Received: from [192.168.22.196] by plymouth.kaoinfo.com via smtpd (for relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 22:14:06 UT Received: from ccMail by smtp.kaoinfo.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 47216190; Tue, 18 Nov 97 17:26:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:27:36 -0500 Message-ID: <47216190.1962@kaoinfo.com> Subject: NRR: Dangerous drinks To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Wow, IF this is real, that's hectic! Can I buy you a drink? ;) (sorry for the formatting, as you can see, this note been around.) > >>>>>>>>>>>> READ: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A friend of mine from UT passed this story onto me >>>>>>>>>>>> from the Daily Texan- the University of Texas newspaper. >Apparently >>>>>>>>>>>> it occurred during Fall Premier -- a UT tradition that is a >celebration of >>>>>>>>>>>> the end >>>>>>>>>>>> of midterms. - Jeff >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This guy went out last Saturday night to a >>>>>>>>>>>> party. He was having a >>>>>>>>>>>> good time, had a couple of beers and some girl >>>>>>>>>>>> seemed to like him and >>>>>>>>>>>> invited him to go to another party. He quickly >>>>>>>>>>>> agreed and decided to >>>>>>>>>>>> go along with her. She took him to a party in some >>>>>>>>>>>> apartment and they >>>>>>>>>>>> continued to drink, and even got involved with some other >>>>>>>>>>>> drugs >>>>>>>>>>>> (unknown which). The next thing he knew, he woke up >>>completely >>>>>>>>>>>> naked >>>>>>>>>>>> in a bathtub filled with ice. He was still feeling the >>>effects = >>>>of >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> drugs, but looked around to see he was alone. He looked down >>>at >>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>> chest, which had =3D22CALL 911 OR YOU WILL DIE=3D22 written on >>>i= >>>>t in >>>>>>>>>>>> lipstick. >>>>>>>>>>>> He saw a phone was on a stand next to the tub, so he picked it >>>u= >>>>p >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> dialed. He explained to the EMS operator what the situation >>>was >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> that he didn't know where he was, what he took, or why he was >>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>> calling. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> She advised him to get out of the tub. He did, and she >>>>>>>>>>>> asked him to >>>>>>>>>>>> look himself over in the mirror. He did, and appeared normal, >>>>>>>>>>>> so she >>>>>>>>>>>> told him to check his back. He did, only to find two 9-inch >>>sli= >>>>ts >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> his lower back. She told him to get back in the tub >>>immediately, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> they sent a rescue team over. Apparently, after being >>>examined, >>>>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>>>> found out more of what had happened. His kidneys were stolen. >>>>>>>They >>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> worth 10,000 dollars each on the black market. (I was unaware >>>>>>>>>>>> this even >>>>>>>>>>>> existed.) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Several guesses are in order: The second party was a sham, >>>the >>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>> involved had to be at least medical students, and it was not >>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> recreational drugs he was given. Regardless, he is currently >>>in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> hospital on life support, awaiting a spare kidney. The >>>Universit= >>>>y >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> Texas in conjunction with Baylor University Medical Center is >>>>>>>>>>>> conducting >>>>>>>>>>>> tissue research to match the sophomore student with a >>>>>>>>>>>> donor. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This was on >>>>>>>>>>>> 20/20 several weeks ago...My wife the nurse has confirmed >>>>>>>>>>>> that this is >>>>>>>>>>>> indeed going on. Please be careful, and bounce this >>>>>>>>>>>> message to anyone and >>>>>>>>>>>> everyone you can think of. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> These messages have been edited only in that >>>>>>>>>>>> all the forwarding marks >>>>>>>>>>>> and source address have been removed (there were a >>>>>>>>>>>> lot of them). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wish to warn you about a new crime ring that is targeting >>>>>>>>>>>> business >>>>>>>>>>>> travelers. This ring is well organized, well funded, has very >>>>>>>>>>>> skilled >>>>>>>>>>>> personnel, and is currently in most major cities and recently >>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>> active in New Orleans. The crime begins when a business >>>travele= >>>>r >>>>>>>>>>>> goes >>>>>>>>>>>> to a lounge for a drink at the end of the work day. A person >>>in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> bar walks up as they sit alone and offers to buy them a drink. >>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>> last thing the traveler remembers until they wake up in a >>>hotel >>>>>>>>>>>> room >>>>>>>>>>>> bath tub, their body submerged to their neck in ice, is >>>sipping >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> drink. There is a note taped to the wall instructing them not >>>to >>>>>>>>>>>> move >>>>>>>>>>>> and to call 911. A phone is on a small table next to the >>>bathtu= >>>>b >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> them to call. The business traveler calls 911, who have >>>become >>>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with this crime. The business traveler is instructed >>>b= >>>>y >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> 911 operator to very slowly and carefully reach behind them >>>and >>>>>>>feel >>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>> there is a tube protruding from their lower back. The >>>business >>>>>>>>>>>> traveler >>>>>>>>>>>> finds the tube and answers =3D22yes.=3D22 The 911 operator >>>tell= >>>>s them >>>>>>>>>>>> to remain >>>>>>>>>>>> still, having already sent paramedics to help. The operator >>>>>>>>>>>> knows that both >>>>>>>>>>>> of the business traveler's kidneys have been harvested. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a scam >>>>>>>>>>>> or out of a science fiction novel, it is real. It >>>>>>>>>>>> is documented and >>>>>>>>>>>> confirmable. If you travel or someone close to you >>>>>>>>>>>> travels, please be >>>>>>>>>>>> careful. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Patty Radford >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, this does happen. My sister-in-law >>>>>>>>>>>> works with a lady that this >>>>>>>>>>>> happened to her son's neighbor who lives in >>>>>>>>>>>> Houston. The only =3D22good=3D22 >>>>>>>>>>>> thing to his whole story is the fact that the >>>>>>>>>>>> people doing this horrible >>>>>>>>>>>> crime are very aware of what complications can >>>>>>>>>>>> happen afterwards, and >>>>>>>>>>>> take detailed precautions to set up the room before >>>>>>>>>>>> leaving. The word >>>>>>>>>>>> from my sister-in-law is that the hospital in Las Vegas >>>>>>>>>>>> (yes, Vegas) >>>>>>>>>>>> prior to transferring him back to Houston stated that these >>>>>>>>>>>> people know >>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what they are doing. The incision, etc. was exact and >>>>>>>>>>>> clean. >>>>>>>>>>>> They use sterile equipment, etc. and the hospital stated that >>>ot= >>>>her >>>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>>> the fact that the victim loses a kidney there have not been >>>any >>>>>>>>>>>> reports >>>>>>>>>>>> of other complications due to non-sterile, etc. tactics that >>>wer= >>>>e >>>>>>>>>>>> used. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Kathy White >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly, this is very true. My husband is a >>>>>>>>>>>> Houston Firefighter/EMT and >>>>>>>>>>>> they have received alerts regarding this crime >>>>>>>>>>>> ring. It is to be >>>>>>>>>>>> taken very seriously. The daughter of a friend of a >>>>>>>>>>>> fellow >>>>>>>>>>>> firefighter had this happen to her. Skilled doctors are >>>>>>>>>>>> performing >>>>>>>>>>>> these crimes=3D21 (which, by the way have been highly noted >>>in = >>>>the >>>>>>>>>>>> Las >>>>>>>>>>>> Vegas area). Additionally, the military has received alerts >>>>>>>>>>>> regarding >>>>>>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This story blew me away. I really want as many people to >>>>>>>>>>>> see this as >>>>>>>>>>>> possible so please bounce this to whoever you can. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>> think when you drink. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE DON'T TAKE DRINKS FROM >>>>>>>>>>>> STRANGERS=3D21=3D21=3D21=3D21 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>--------- End forwarded message ---------- >> > >Steve Kirsch email: stk@infoseek.com >Infoseek Corporation Phone: 408-543-6727 >1399 Moffett Park Drive Fax: 408-734-9356 >Sunnyvale, CA 94089-1134 http://software.infoseek.com/stk/stk.html >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Infoseek...Once you know, you know. > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 22:33:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26146 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 22:33:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 26137 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 22:33:35 -0000 Received: from garibaldi.ncd.com (firewall-user@192.43.160.250) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 22:33:35 -0000 Received: by garibaldi.ncd.com; id OAA19136; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnc.ncd.com(138.43.158.20) by garibaldi.ncd.com via smap (3.2) id xma019058; Tue, 18 Nov 97 14:33:05 -0800 Received: from ivanova.ncd.com (corey@ivanova.ncd.com [138.43.100.50]) by cnc.ncd.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA22773; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:33:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from corey@localhost) by ivanova.ncd.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA27290; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:31:14 -0800 From: "Corey Alambar" Message-Id: <971118143114.ZM27288@ivanova.ncd.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:31:14 -0800 In-Reply-To: Jody_Orsburn_at_KaoFremont@kaoinfo.com "NRR: Dangerous drinks" (Nov 18, 2:27pm) References: <47216190.1962@kaoinfo.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97) To: Jody_Orsburn_at_KaoFremont@kaoinfo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: Dangerous drinks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 18, 2:27pm, Jody_Orsburn_at_KaoFremont@kaoinfo.com wrote: > Subject: NRR: Dangerous drinks -> Wow, IF this is real, that's hectic! Can I buy you a drink? ;) -> -> (sorry for the formatting, as you can see, this note been around.) *snip urban legend* >From http://www.urbanlegends.com The black market myth: In all the time that the rumors of a black market, kidnapping and murder of children, organ-swiping, and other atrocities have been circulating (since at least 1982), there has never been any evidence to substantiate any of them. Any rumor regarding a black market in organs, or organ piracy, needs to be evaluated in light of the necessity of matching the organ and recipient in order to avoid rejection by the recipient's immune system. One can not take any old organ and just put it anywhere you please. A rather complex system has been set up in the US to handle matching and distribution. Its unlikely that any number of evil people in the US or abroad will be able to duplicate such a system in secret. Adding these simple facts with the necessity of having many highly skilled medical professionals involved, along with modern medical facilities and support, makes it plain why rumors of the involvement of murder, violence and organized crime in organ procurement can not be given any credence. **** Just some friendly debunking... -Corey -- Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right. -- Salvor Hardin, "Foundation" Incoming fire has the right of way -- Anonymous From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 22:55:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3111 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 22:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 3097 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 22:54:57 -0000 Received: from mail1.sirius.com (205.134.253.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 22:54:57 -0000 Received: from pacbell (ppp-asfm02--087.sirius.net [205.134.235.87]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id OAA17708 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:54:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34721CFA.29CC@sirius.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:55:54 -0800 From: feMALER-DEMONS-Space Cowgirls X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR dangerous drinks debunked References: <199711182248.OAA03599@mail5.sirius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > Corey Alambar wrote: > > (( Bubble busting evidence clipped)) > > makes it plain why > > rumors of the involvement of murder, violence and organized crime in > >>organ > > procurement can not be given any credence. > > Damn, Damn, Damn. > > What are we going to do with all this ice? > > Does anyone want to buy some used scalpels? > > We got a hotel and lotsa booze and drugs, you can bet that wont go to > waste. > > Oh Yeah!! > PEACE > LOVE > UNDERSTANDING > RESPECT. > > Y'all! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 23:26:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10190 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 23:26:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 10178 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 23:26:21 -0000 Received: from iceland-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO iceland.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.28) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 23:26:21 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (1Cust48.tnt10.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.28.48]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA29880 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:26:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347227A6.2682@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:41:26 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Dj @ my Party! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk As for now, the after Thanksgiving party will be happeneng. If you are interested in spinning for a few, I'd love to have you. Please respond so I can figure how many would like. Ken Z. THAT MEANS YOU! Also, Jay Z. and the other great DJs that sent me demos. This party doesn't pay, but I'm meeting with someone on Thursday to do the 'real thing'! -TRACY From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 23:33:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11823 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 23:33:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 11815 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 23:33:31 -0000 Received: from genie-open.gene.com (HELO genie.gene.com) (192.12.78.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 23:33:31 -0000 Received: from munch2.gene.com (munch2.gene.com [128.137.49.56]) by genie.gene.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA30493 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from gene.com (dhcp198-154.gene.com [128.137.198.154]) by munch2.gene.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24517 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:33:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34722563.D35DDD9D@gene.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:31:47 -0800 From: matt Organization: Genentech, Inc. X-Sender: "matt" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Subject: I need a BOMB ASS PARTY on NOVEMBER 28 or 29 (I pref 28th) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk If you know of a good ass party on the 28 or 29 PLEEEEEEEZZZZZE email me and tell me who what and where. When I say Good I'm talking like 4x4, Harmony, Space Children, Fnf...those kind of vibes lots of Jungle,Trible. PLEEEEEZE tell me any info you may have. Someone very special to me will be here on those days and wants to fo to a GOODASS rave. PLURRRRRRRRRRRRR to you all Thanx so much Breedlove From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 23:34:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12407 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 23:34:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 12399 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 23:34:12 -0000 Received: from mrin52.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin52.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.162) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 23:34:12 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA16711 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:33:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:33:43 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971118181310_1980466620@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: How was everyones weekend??/Feelings about the scene Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-18 03:35:22 EST, you write: << Yeah. For example, when someone says, "hey man...what's up? My name is whatever." Then they give you a fat hug. But it's all worth nothing when they fucking can't even remember your name five minutes later. >> Hey.. I like to meet people and I just happen to be someone who can't remember names for shit. It takes a long time for me to get them to stick in my head. Faces I can remember forever, but names are difficult. How many Johns or Marks or Lukes do you meet at every rave?? I don't want to feel like I should stop saying hi to people because I may not rember them the next day. ANd isn't it a fun feeling anyways when you see someone you think you remember and the two of you figure out where you met and then strike up a really good conversation?? Or do things like that only happen to random people like me??? Just super-friendly girl's two cents. hugs n'stuff, 'trice the tekno diva "IF I wasn't a dj I'd be a porn star because it's something I know I'd be really good at." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 23:43:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15542 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 23:43:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15474 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 23:43:53 -0000 Received: from dogbert.ucdavis.edu (root@128.120.8.191) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 23:43:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (ez060343@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.7/UCD3.11.20) with SMTP id PAA24829; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:42:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:42:33 -0800 (PST) From: Kenneth Zanotto X-Sender: ez060343@dogbert.ucdavis.edu To: Aurora8 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Dj @ my Party! In-Reply-To: <347227A6.2682@earthlink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You know I am down Tracy!!!!! Ken On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Aurora8 wrote: > As for now, the after Thanksgiving party will be happeneng. If you are > interested in spinning for a few, I'd love to have you. Please respond > so I can figure how many would like. Ken Z. THAT MEANS YOU! Also, Jay Z. > and the other great DJs that sent me demos. This party doesn't pay, but > I'm meeting with someone on Thursday to do the 'real thing'! > -TRACY > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 23:44:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17437 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 23:44:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 17416 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 23:44:36 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 23:44:36 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-55.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.55]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA04003 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:44:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3472293F.7F9C@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:48:15 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR dangerous drinks debunked References: <199711182248.OAA03599@mail5.sirius.com> <34721CFA.29CC@sirius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk feMALER-DEMONS-Space Cowgirls wrote: > > > Corey Alambar wrote: > > > > (( Bubble busting evidence clipped)) > > > makes it plain why > > > rumors of the involvement of murder, violence and organized crime in > > >>organ > > > procurement can not be given any credence. > > > > Damn, Damn, Damn. > > > > What are we going to do with all this ice? > > > > Does anyone want to buy some used scalpels? > > > > We got a hotel and lotsa booze and drugs, you can bet that wont go to > > waste. sounds like we have a party in the making here... will you be asking for umm...donations? ><{{{"> <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 23:45:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18172 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 23:45:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18151 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 23:45:45 -0000 Received: from dogbert.ucdavis.edu (root@128.120.8.191) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 23:45:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (ez060343@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.7/UCD3.11.20) with SMTP id PAA25571; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:44:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:44:38 -0800 (PST) From: Kenneth Zanotto X-Sender: ez060343@dogbert.ucdavis.edu To: matt cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Subject: Re: I need a BOMB ASS PARTY on NOVEMBER 28 or 29 (I pref 28th) In-Reply-To: <34722563.D35DDD9D@gene.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Space Children is having a massive party on the 29(Be Here Now), Smarties and FGE on the 28, Bigfloor the 29, many massives this weekend. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 23:47:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18948 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 23:47:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 18934 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 23:47:39 -0000 Received: from mrin58.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin58.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.168) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 23:47:39 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA09252; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:47:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:47:10 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971118183534_1181669143@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: aurora8@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Stinky Moods Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/18/97 3:46:24 PM, you wrote: <> ....foraging??? ;)) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 23:54:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21104 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 23:54:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 21086 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 23:54:02 -0000 Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 23:54:02 -0000 Received: (from jasonelee@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SwY25445; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:52:40 EST To: SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:52:32 -0800 Subject: Mix tape Available Message-ID: <19971118.155233.6903.3.jasonelee@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,8-17 From: jasonelee@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I've got mix tapes available to those who request them all I need is a 1:) Name 2:) Address (full) I can also do custom mixtapes for those of you who know your music... my library is preatty good and if you give me all the details I can respond on whether or not I can accomplish your request once again.... you can sample one of my mixes right now on the net at http://www.djmike.com/promomag Thanks Jason jasonelee@juno.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 23:55:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21807 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 23:55:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 21799 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 23:55:29 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 23:55:29 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA03362 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:55:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971118155635.00692e90@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:56:35 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: VespaRaver Subject: MUSICIANS? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk new in electronic music...looking for people in san francisco to work with...anyone interested? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 00:34:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2677 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 00:34:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 2669 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 00:34:35 -0000 Received: from admvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.2.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 00:34:35 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.201 (XYP2-PORT1.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQ5U2FM03O93681C@SONOMA.EDU> for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:34:21 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:46:08 -0800 From: "\"dOpE\"" Subject: Re: How was everyones weekend??/Feelings about the scene To: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <32910350.7A45@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <971118181310_1980466620@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > ANd isn't it a fun feeling anyways when you see someone you think you > remember and the two of you figure out where you met and then strike up a > really good conversation?? totally!! ohmygod.... Hi thorfio! ;-) _doreen_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 00:54:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9240 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 00:54:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 9232 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 00:54:30 -0000 Received: from f12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 00:54:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 23947 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 00:54:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19971119005403.23946.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.205 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:54:03 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.205] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: KRR electrodes=raves part II Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:54:03 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk So on thursday im going to the UCD neurological center and they gonna hook up a grip of electrodes to me and test out my brain waves... for 5 hours!!!!! but they paying me......$6 /hour.... i know im being exploited... but i need food....and drugs..... and parties..... laters peace Philly disordr hax0r tech-support computer nerd break dancer music enthusiast wannabe DJ but gots no tables :) hahahha ok enough :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 00:59:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10958 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 00:59:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 10946 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 00:59:57 -0000 Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 00:59:57 -0000 Received: (from jasonelee@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TtK25445; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:58:57 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:58:31 -0800 Subject: ICQ Message-ID: <19971118.165833.4879.0.jasonelee@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,8-11,13-19 From: jasonelee@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I would like to thank those of you who responded to the mix tapes... they are on the way.... I would also like to know if any of you catz have ICQ, at this moment I feel as though i'm the only person with this program... I would like to add people to it if you got it let me know.... I will post events that I will be spinning at or attending on ICQ as well as the email lists. I would like to get a chance to chat with you online so if you don't have ICQ... get it, if you have it let me know how to add you to my list. my ICQ number is 4167063 or you could do a search by the nick jaylee if you want to get ICQ for your puter then http://www.mirabilis.com is the place Thanks Jason jasonelee@juno.com http://www.djmike.com/promomag From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 01:09:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14380 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 01:09:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 14371 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 01:09:40 -0000 Received: from galaxy.galstar.com (anarchy@204.251.80.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 01:09:40 -0000 Received: (from anarchy@localhost) by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04203 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:09:38 -0600 (CST) From: "U.A.A." Message-Id: <199711190109.TAA04203@galaxy.galstar.com> Subject: Its a small world .... To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:09:38 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello again peoples, I hope all of you had fun at viberation this past weekend. I know that everyone worked very hard to provide you with a positive partay experience. but anyways, this is about me and all of the random ( or not so random) people I have ran into at parties. It was kinda freaky at first, well very freeky but I not so suprised anymore and have almost consciously search out these people. Okay well it started back at the first planet rock back whenever. Yeah yeah I went enough already. But I did run into a very kool kat who I first met at a party his crew was throwing. I can't remember the name of the party but the crew is still around. They go by the name of "the superstarz of luv". Some of you might know the davidian and if you do it makes this all the much kooler. For all of you who don't he throws party's and he also travels the country going to parties and meeting people. Okay back to the story. So i am wandering around at the party and I see this guy who looks way familiar and I approach him and ask if he is david from st. louis. He is all "Superstars of love ..." we give each other a hug and jsut talk about stuff. I hadn't seen him in about 3 years and the last thing I remember him saying to me was "You and me have some living to do" I remeber thinking what an unusual thign to say but after that night it made we wonder if he knew something that I didn't. I have seen or heard from him since but I have a feeling that I will run into again. Also since then I have run into 4 people from Oklahoma that I knew/hung out with back there. Dia, who some of you know (i think she goes by claudia), I ran into her at the harmony massive. It was kinda wierd at first but after i got over the schock it was very cool. Dia and I attended college together and hung out on and off in oklahoma. I hadn't talked to her in over a year and neither of us knew that we were out here. Since then I have ran into her quite often. my friend jeremy sammons ( who I took to one of his first parties) I remeber who he and his friend tim ( who is in seattle now but thats another story) were not that into raving and all the sub culture attached, but they soon had a change of heart. I saw him at 1015 the night that dmitri from dee-lite spun He and I also went to college together and he also knows dia. (see its a small world) However I haven't heard from him since I ran into him on haight street the day of the fair. Oh well I am sure i will see him again. A very very very kool guy named Morgan freeman (yeah same as the actor) He is the nicest guy you will meet. He is unfortunatly living in orlando but some of you might have seen him spin at FG experience or at believe. he goes by the name of DJ Saint. We used to hang out in oklahoma too. We would always see each other at the club or at the party that was going and we became friends needless to say I ran into another person friday night at wonder. I wasn't sure if I knew her but a name popped into my head and it happened to be correct. Kinda wierd huh. Well her name is rebecca and we didn't really hang out directly back in oklahoma but we had a lot of common friends and hung out at all the same places. The big kicker is that her sister is beth jackson = ) see small world. I am not sure where I am going with this but I just wanted to share this with all of you. be on the lookout cuz you never know who you are going to run into. hope your tuesday was a good one, herb From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 01:19:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17261 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 01:19:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 17236 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 01:19:46 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.6) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 01:19:46 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA09262 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:19:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from sfo-ca32-16.ix.netcom.com(207.94.115.48) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008709; Tue Nov 18 19:16:35 1997 Message-ID: <34723DC1.3A77@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:15:45 -0800 From: Czefir X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: anyone wanna come with me to see moby? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk since my date flaked i now have no one to go with so if you need a ride or companionship and live in SF or on the way to Palo Alto write me a email :) i gaurantee im an excelent driver and conversationalist ;) ok, well, im a good driver :) Megan Czefir From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 01:23:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19183 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 01:23:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 19159 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 01:23:29 -0000 Received: from mrin42.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin42.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.152) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 01:23:29 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin42.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA29742; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:23:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:23:01 -0500 (EST) From: PHUNKN3@aol.com Message-ID: <971118202300_-1475523624@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Step 2K Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11.18.1997 9:00:08 PM, sbrocksieck@compare.net wrote: >A few questions about Step 2K . . . > >First off, how was it? I had planned on going, but due to >circumstances blah blah blah. > >Second, is it really every other Friday? And if so, does the venue >change every time? I'd like to check it out next time (which I make >to be the 28th). And where the heck is Full House? I asked Noel >the night before at Spring Heel Jack, and he didn't even know . . . > >Thanks in advance. > >Steve. > >Who hears not the music thinks the dancers mad. >-- First off, STEP2K got shut down before it got started, unfortunately. (Cops always spoil a good time, don't they?)......and it ended up not being @ the spot *Full House*. It was @ Eagle Drift in on Bryant. Secondly, STEP2K used to be every other Friday, but now it's once a month. But, It will most likely go back to every other Friday in the Summer of 98. As for finding out about future STEP2K parties you can stay tuned here or on the PHUNCKATECK vm @ 415.331.1500 ext.160. (STEP2K Voicemail line is having some problems...). Thats that, PEACE NOEL I'm an everyday Junglist, I fight for survival... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 01:37:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24030 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 01:37:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 24020 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 01:37:12 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 01:37:12 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA14228; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:37:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971118173819.0069faec@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:38:19 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: VespaRaver Subject: ATTENTION JUNGLISTS!!!!! Cc: ladysass@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ATTENTION ALL JUNGLISTS!!!!!!!!: If you do not know Lindsey, the Jungle Diva Goddess, then I, well, I dunno, I guess I just don't know WHAT you're problem is!!!!!!!!!!!!! She is Lady Sass @ ladysass@hotmail.com VespaRaver From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 01:45:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25933 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 01:45:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 25925 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 01:45:30 -0000 Received: from mrin51.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin51.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.161) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 01:45:30 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin51.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA12598 for SFRAVES@hyperreal.org; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:45:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:45:02 -0500 (EST) From: DJHaas@aol.com Message-ID: <971118204459_63464595@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org Subject: QUEST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I know it's tuesday and the party was last saturday, but I've been too ill to write about it until now. I can honestly say that Quest was one of the best parties I've ever been to. I was dissapointed to hear that it would be at second and jackson, the space is okay but can get hot and cramped when full, but this was different. It was packed, but cause of the great vibe it didn't matter how hot it was. And the fans helped too. Also, it seems like I've been to this space every weekend for about the past month, but that didn't matter either, because Silver Pearl outdid themselves on the decorations. All those plants gave it such an intimate feeling, you weren't in a warehouse, you were in an arboretum! And the lasers were spectacular! Most parties under 5000 people don't have lasers as intricate as they did. Truly amazing. The people were very friendly and everyone I talked to had an amazing time. The music actually had a flow to it, not like some parties where each DJ just spins. Each DJ followed the other with amazing sets that ignited the crowd. And the sound system was clean and loud, my ears are still ringing. There were two standout acts of the night, though. In the second room, between about 11:30 and 12:30, Craig Russo played an amazing live set. I kept looking for his turntables, but all I saw was this guy bouncing around from keyboard to soundboard, and I realized that he was actually creating the music right there! He packed the second room to capacity, a feat not accomplished again that night. Also, Santa Cruz favorite Eric Spire was amazing as usual. His mixes were flawless and the crowd was peaking during his set; the energy he created just can not be duplicated with words. Mad mad props to Silver Pearl for an excelent first party and I will definetly be at the next one! Haas From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 02:19:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5095 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 02:19:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 5086 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 02:19:10 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 02:19:10 -0000 Received: (from ldylove@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VGQ15945; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:17:14 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:04:19 -0800 Subject: Re: NRR: Mind States Message-ID: <19971118.181059.5903.4.ldylove@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-8,10-24 From: ldylove@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk For any of you that want to go but can't afford the ticket price, you can e-mail them and get information on volunteering for the weekend. Be prepared to be there by 8:30 am and on both days. I will be there maybe I will see some fellow SFravers there RLove On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:34:38 -0800 (PST) Curious George writes: >This is not rave related, but some of you might be interested. > >On Nov 22nd and 23rd, there's a conference on "Current perspectives on >visionary plants and drugs" held at UCB. Some ofthe speakers will be >Alexander Shulgin, Ann Shulgin, Richard Glen Boire, Esq., and Terence >McKenna via net link from hawaii. $75 at the door, 65 pre-sale. > >Check out www.lycaeum.org/mindstates for more info. Stretch on >through >the latex boundary. send me email to discuss. > >~georgeo > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 02:25:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7554 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 02:25:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 7472 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 02:25:43 -0000 Received: from f83.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 02:25:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 11391 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 02:25:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19971119022511.11390.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:25:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Kydney stealers suck! steal gum Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:25:08 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk C'mon, even I could think of better ways to earn ten grand like sell lots of cookies, lottery, or writing a best seller. Why don't the people who need the money just sell their own kydneys so we wouldn't have to put up with this Hanabal Lechter shit? Kydneys are too personal to me though. They are fine just where they are. I'd rather sell fossilized Michael Jackson poop. :) bAByHueY >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 14:26:07 1997 >Received: (qmail 23826 invoked by uid 6000); 18 Nov 1997 22:25:54 -0000 >Received: (qmail 23816 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 22:25:52 -0000 >Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (38.8.210.2) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 22:25:52 -0000 >Received: from plymouth.kaoinfo.com by relay3.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) > id RAA14375; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:25:49 -0500 (EST) >From: Jody_Orsburn_at_KaoFremont@kaoinfo.com >Received: from [192.168.22.196] by plymouth.kaoinfo.com > via smtpd (for relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 22:14:06 UT >Received: from ccMail by smtp.kaoinfo.com > (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 47216190; Tue, 18 Nov 97 17:26:33 -0500 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:27:36 -0500 >Message-ID: <47216190.1962@kaoinfo.com> >Subject: NRR: Dangerous drinks >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > > Wow, IF this is real, that's hectic! Can I buy you a drink? ;) > > (sorry for the formatting, as you can see, this note been around.) > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> READ: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A friend of mine from UT passed this story onto me >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Daily Texan- the University of Texas newspaper. >>Apparently >>>>>>>>>>>>> it occurred during Fall Premier -- a UT tradition that is a >>celebration of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the end >>>>>>>>>>>>> of midterms. - Jeff >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This guy went out last Saturday night to a >>>>>>>>>>>>> party. He was having a >>>>>>>>>>>>> good time, had a couple of beers and some girl >>>>>>>>>>>>> seemed to like him and >>>>>>>>>>>>> invited him to go to another party. He quickly >>>>>>>>>>>>> agreed and decided to >>>>>>>>>>>>> go along with her. She took him to a party in some >>>>>>>>>>>>> apartment and they >>>>>>>>>>>>> continued to drink, and even got involved with some other >>>>>>>>>>>>> drugs >>>>>>>>>>>>> (unknown which). The next thing he knew, he woke up >>>>completely >>>>>>>>>>>>> naked >>>>>>>>>>>>> in a bathtub filled with ice. He was still feeling the >>>>effects = >>>>>of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> drugs, but looked around to see he was alone. He looked down >>>>at >>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>> chest, which had =3D22CALL 911 OR YOU WILL DIE=3D22 written on >>>>i= >>>>>t in >>>>>>>>>>>>> lipstick. >>>>>>>>>>>>> He saw a phone was on a stand next to the tub, so he picked it >>>>u= >>>>>p >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> dialed. He explained to the EMS operator what the situation >>>>was >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> that he didn't know where he was, what he took, or why he was >>>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>> calling. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> She advised him to get out of the tub. He did, and she >>>>>>>>>>>>> asked him to >>>>>>>>>>>>> look himself over in the mirror. He did, and appeared normal, >>>>>>>>>>>>> so she >>>>>>>>>>>>> told him to check his back. He did, only to find two 9-inch >>>>sli= >>>>>ts >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> his lower back. She told him to get back in the tub >>>>immediately, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> they sent a rescue team over. Apparently, after being >>>>examined, >>>>>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>>>>> found out more of what had happened. His kidneys were stolen. >>>>>>>>They >>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth 10,000 dollars each on the black market. (I was unaware >>>>>>>>>>>>> this even >>>>>>>>>>>>> existed.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Several guesses are in order: The second party was a sham, >>>>the >>>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>> involved had to be at least medical students, and it was not >>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>> recreational drugs he was given. Regardless, he is currently >>>>in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> hospital on life support, awaiting a spare kidney. The >>>>Universit= >>>>>y >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas in conjunction with Baylor University Medical Center is >>>>>>>>>>>>> conducting >>>>>>>>>>>>> tissue research to match the sophomore student with a >>>>>>>>>>>>> donor. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This was on >>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/20 several weeks ago...My wife the nurse has confirmed >>>>>>>>>>>>> that this is >>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed going on. Please be careful, and bounce this >>>>>>>>>>>>> message to anyone and >>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone you can think of. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> These messages have been edited only in that >>>>>>>>>>>>> all the forwarding marks >>>>>>>>>>>>> and source address have been removed (there were a >>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of them). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish to warn you about a new crime ring that is targeting >>>>>>>>>>>>> business >>>>>>>>>>>>> travelers. This ring is well organized, well funded, has very >>>>>>>>>>>>> skilled >>>>>>>>>>>>> personnel, and is currently in most major cities and recently >>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>> active in New Orleans. The crime begins when a business >>>>travele= >>>>>r >>>>>>>>>>>>> goes >>>>>>>>>>>>> to a lounge for a drink at the end of the work day. A person >>>>in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> bar walks up as they sit alone and offers to buy them a drink. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>> last thing the traveler remembers until they wake up in a >>>>hotel >>>>>>>>>>>>> room >>>>>>>>>>>>> bath tub, their body submerged to their neck in ice, is >>>>sipping >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> drink. There is a note taped to the wall instructing them not >>>>to >>>>>>>>>>>>> move >>>>>>>>>>>>> and to call 911. A phone is on a small table next to the >>>>bathtu= >>>>>b >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> them to call. The business traveler calls 911, who have >>>>become >>>>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with this crime. The business traveler is instructed >>>>b= >>>>>y >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> 911 operator to very slowly and carefully reach behind them >>>>and >>>>>>>>feel >>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is a tube protruding from their lower back. The >>>>business >>>>>>>>>>>>> traveler >>>>>>>>>>>>> finds the tube and answers =3D22yes.=3D22 The 911 operator >>>>tell= >>>>>s them >>>>>>>>>>>>> to remain >>>>>>>>>>>>> still, having already sent paramedics to help. The operator >>>>>>>>>>>>> knows that both >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the business traveler's kidneys have been harvested. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a scam >>>>>>>>>>>>> or out of a science fiction novel, it is real. It >>>>>>>>>>>>> is documented and >>>>>>>>>>>>> confirmable. If you travel or someone close to you >>>>>>>>>>>>> travels, please be >>>>>>>>>>>>> careful. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Patty Radford >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, this does happen. My sister-in-law >>>>>>>>>>>>> works with a lady that this >>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to her son's neighbor who lives in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Houston. The only =3D22good=3D22 >>>>>>>>>>>>> thing to his whole story is the fact that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> people doing this horrible >>>>>>>>>>>>> crime are very aware of what complications can >>>>>>>>>>>>> happen afterwards, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> take detailed precautions to set up the room before >>>>>>>>>>>>> leaving. The word >>>>>>>>>>>>> from my sister-in-law is that the hospital in Las Vegas >>>>>>>>>>>>> (yes, Vegas) >>>>>>>>>>>>> prior to transferring him back to Houston stated that these >>>>>>>>>>>>> people know >>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what they are doing. The incision, etc. was exact and >>>>>>>>>>>>> clean. >>>>>>>>>>>>> They use sterile equipment, etc. and the hospital stated that >>>>ot= >>>>>her >>>>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>>>> the fact that the victim loses a kidney there have not been >>>>any >>>>>>>>>>>>> reports >>>>>>>>>>>>> of other complications due to non-sterile, etc. tactics that >>>>wer= >>>>>e >>>>>>>>>>>>> used. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Kathy White >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly, this is very true. My husband is a >>>>>>>>>>>>> Houston Firefighter/EMT and >>>>>>>>>>>>> they have received alerts regarding this crime >>>>>>>>>>>>> ring. It is to be >>>>>>>>>>>>> taken very seriously. The daughter of a friend of a >>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow >>>>>>>>>>>>> firefighter had this happen to her. Skilled doctors are >>>>>>>>>>>>> performing >>>>>>>>>>>>> these crimes=3D21 (which, by the way have been highly noted >>>>in = >>>>>the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Las >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vegas area). Additionally, the military has received alerts >>>>>>>>>>>>> regarding >>>>>>>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This story blew me away. I really want as many people to >>>>>>>>>>>>> see this as >>>>>>>>>>>>> possible so please bounce this to whoever you can. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>>> think when you drink. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE DON'T TAKE DRINKS FROM >>>>>>>>>>>>> STRANGERS=3D21=3D21=3D21=3D21 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>--------- End forwarded message ---------- >>> >> >>Steve Kirsch email: stk@infoseek.com >>Infoseek Corporation Phone: 408-543-6727 >>1399 Moffett Park Drive Fax: 408-734-9356 >>Sunnyvale, CA 94089-1134 http://software.infoseek.com/stk/stk.html >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Infoseek...Once you know, you know. >> >> > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 02:53:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15831 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 02:53:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 15821 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 02:53:08 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 02:53:08 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-55.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.55]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id SAA18915 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:53:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3472545B.BAC@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:52:11 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: Mind States References: <19971118.181059.5903.4.ldylove@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ldylove@juno.com wrote: > > For any of you that want to go but can't afford the ticket price, you can > e-mail them and get information on volunteering for the weekend. Be > prepared to be there by 8:30 am and on both days. Do you or anyone else have info about the friday night preparty? I heard its only $5 but dont know where its at yet. thanks ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 02:55:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16849 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 02:55:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 16841 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 02:55:36 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 02:55:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 25851 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 02:58:55 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 02:58:55 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971118185335.00b81f14@sacraves.org> X-Sender: solr@sacraves.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:53:35 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: Stinky Moods In-Reply-To: <971118183534_1181669143@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 06:47 PM 11/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >PPS. SolR... when can we go foraging? >>> >....foraging??? ;)) **** I'll just post my Re: to Tracy... how about that? ###### At 02:16 PM 11/18/97 -0800, you wrote: >PPS. SolR... when can we go foraging? **** I'm not sure... work and the holidays has me pretty busy.. i would love to go maybe in January... not sure.. maybe a weekend in Dec if it's not too funky [weather]. I'm going to Seattle next weekend..and you know how hectic it gets around this time of month.... We'll keep in touch, and when we're both free, we'll go. I have a GREAT book on mushrooms.. "All the rain brings and More" [i don't have it here, and that might be a little off the title] it has a crazy looking bearded guy with a violin or something holding an armload of massive Chantarelles... it's about pocket size and paperback... *definitely* worth picking up. It has and identification guide in the front and back inside cover that is VERY useful... color pictures.. edibility, characteristics.. odor, color changes, spore counts, cooking tips... the BOMB mushroom hunter's guide.. look for it an just about any decent bookstore...[if you're interested]... masutakis smell like cinamon from 30 yards. fungus in the duff, -SolR ##### enlightened now? -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 02:57:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17603 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 02:57:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 17595 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 02:57:36 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 02:57:36 -0000 Received: from [130.157.33.162] (XYP5-PORT12.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with ESMTP id <01IQ5Z1N012S93681C@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:57:17 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SONOMA.EDU From: Colleen Subject: rave culture/Greek mythology To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, my name is colleen and I go to Sonoma State university...I have been in and out of the scene for over 2 years now...I am asking for some input from you guys. I am writing a term paper on the rave culture and analyzing it through Greek mythology...I have came up with the idea that the scene is a "manifestation of the celebration of Dionysus with some emphasis on Hephaestus..." If any of you are into mythology and have ideas for me..please let me know..I am not sure exactly where the paper is going to lead me but I am interested to be writing it and would love any suggestions you have. thanx...PLUR Colleen )><{{{"> the dreamer <"}}}><( From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 03:11:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22881 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 03:11:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 22871 invoked by uid 24); 19 Nov 1997 03:11:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 11250 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 20:21:31 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 20:21:31 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA04750 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:20:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:20:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from unknown(130.191.210.36) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004726; Tue Nov 18 14:20:39 1997 X-Sender: ctd-zine@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: terry estioko Subject: thanks from viberation! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey kids! Thanks to everyone who made it out to Sinister on Saturday. And even though a ridiculous amount of effort went into it by the whole crew, I think this was the most fun we've ever had doing it! Special thanks to the Cloud Factory as always, and to Greggie and Sho. Btw, I'm glad you guys enjoyed Sho...we like to mix it up sometimes yanno. And also to Reaaach, Flux, and Meeks for gracing us with their presence as well. Thanks to the crew for busting ass again, Herb and Jeremy Bispo you guys are troopers! And most importantly, thanks to all of you...you made the party....and you're the reason why we keep doing what we're doing! Btw, we love to hear your questions, comments, and concerns...our email addy is viberation@saturn5.com. I guess it's back to the drawing board to see what gnarly concoctions we can come up with for next time. Till then we'll definitely be at Harmony's Beautiful People in December, and a very, very special party still tba for New Years Eve! much love and energy, the crew ------------------------------------viberation----------- info: 408.881.0898 viberation@saturn5.com http//:www.saturn5.com/viberation ------------------------------------------------------------- P.S. Yes I'm still on the list...and I read everything you say....Muuhhuaaahahahaha!!!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 03:47:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5948 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 03:47:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 5938 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 03:46:58 -0000 Received: from f104.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.223) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 03:46:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 28439 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 03:46:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19971119034613.28438.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:46:12 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Wonder/Sinister Kickbuttinzky Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:46:12 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk sorry for the tardiness and lengthy thing I had the most beautiful weekend I have had since I was conceived! *wonder* Okay so we get to SF and start helping set up for the party. There was already a bunch of great energy from everyone, very friendly and all working together to accomplish the same thing(to see Vlad spin, of course!) This time the space owner was, well probably high because he wasn't yelling at us (a +) I was asked to work at the gate and play fun games on the walkie talkie with Tasha, who by the end of the night was ready to kill me :P One problem, Vlad was going to be the first two spin and it was going to rock my world. (you gotta love the guy, for watching the crazed fella, that he used to work with, bounce up and down taking pictures of the DJ rocking out to his own tunes and with a huge develish grin) So anyway, I conned Aaron into working the gate until I was through dancing my ass off, bouncing up and down, while taking pictures of Vlad. I went to Listen to this guy spin out for the first time, and it was religiously beautiful! I think we'll have someone to compete for Andy W's spot on the line up :P . I mostly hung out in the chilled chill room listenning to Collin, Deepfog, and Boomerangue Fishit cause it was too damn hot anywhere else. I worked the gate a bit more, then ripped-off people by selling them a little bottle of warm water for a dollar and then it was back to dancing-nope, too damn hot everywhere. People everywhere, even Leslie, Hai, Derek, Rebecca, Sara, sharon, Richard Gere, Tony, Patrice, President clinton was eating a McDonald's burger, Chad, Jenny, and others, all having either a great time bitching, or a great time. :) I had a great time. I met lots of new faces and I even remember most of them. The Wonder crew did a great job decorating, thanks Danny :P, Andy, April, Bree, Joel, Veann and others who painted at the prop party. Everyone in the back of the location seemed to be having a great time, but as you moved closer to the front of the place, there was more and more drama, EEEEWWWWW, Disgusting!!! I was more concerned with dancing and Jeni, and that allowed me to freak out in a more spiritual way. Everyone, Thanx for contributing to my "Rave Memory" page in Danny's brain *Sinister* We show up to this party with a warm welcome from AndyW "Wait, hold on" and every one was at least socializing or looking confused because someone just told them they looked beautiful. A lot of first timers, the vibe was neat. Lots of strong, and very diverse, energies which made the party amazing along with Jeni :) I felt like I took care of a lot of people this weekend and it was nice to be able to do that. I learned a lot from it all. The DJ's, You guys rocked my buttinzky. SR. Sandler's set was full of fun, 'wiggle the butt' type of feelings and people were loving it. The hardcore kinda rocked with my cerebral cavity in a wrong way so I went and had some great conversations with new people. Siphon, you are a fun guy, and so is Science, and in case you people didn't know, fun guys kick butt in a great way, their good DJs too :P (shoot me, so what if I am a dork) My body finally broke down into my "must dance like a crazed man" phase. And it was really easy. I was letting it go, eyes closed, mind somewhere else, and my heart was swelling with everything that I'd ever dreamed of. ***the ride home from Li, I realized it was him that was spinning/tagteamming with Mr. AndyW***Nothing mattered with the one exception of the beats. Pure ecstacy was dancing to Li and Andy that morning. People were great, and cooperated with me by all getting together for a huge "End of the party" picture. Thanks everyone. Thanks to all the viberation's gang for a blast, and a rad way to end my weekend Terry, thx for the ticket, and Li I am REEEEEEELY sorry :P Thanks a lot guys, you are awesome! And special thanx to Jeremy (what) for (um) oh, Helping (ugh) me discover (geesh) the fact that (aw sheet) the (uh) guys that figured out that whole (uh) (like) mathematical concepts and theories were huge drug adicts...the philosophers (shit, never mind) Peacefully modified, kinda Danny, King of the Weird Dancing People **Ouch, asshole! that was my foot" P.S. Slinky condoms don't work very well, I'm assuming of course. he he :P o o o o0 o0 0 O o From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 03:54:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8126 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 03:54:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 8110 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 03:54:35 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 03:54:35 -0000 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU (5388@ese.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.43]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id TAA10821; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id TAA11483; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:54:32 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:54:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Schiller Serviss X-Sender: yankee@ese.UCSC.EDU To: LiQUiD KNiGHT RECORDS cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: QUeST CoMMEnT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Don't worry Liquid, Quest rocked until the morning. I'm really surprised more people from this list did't check out Quest. I can say, with abundant confidance, that this was one of the best parties of the year, from the awesome organic decorations to the magnificent job by UV99 with the lasers, to the amazing thumping sound system going in BOTH rooms. Above anything else, the music was absolutely non-stop grooving all night. No low points at all. That, in my humble opnion, is what vaulted Quest above anything else that went down so far in '97. The music, the mixing was incredible from Tracy at the beginning, to Eric Spire at the height of the party, to a ranging closing set by Garth. Y'all missed out on one hell of a party if you missed Quest. I've heard of Eric Spire before, coming from Santa Cruz, because I think he lives around here. All I know is, everyone will be hearing about him soon. He carried the groove from Jeno before him and stepped it up to a whole different level. I must give it up for Quest. One hell of a party. Here's to more parties with that kind of amazing vibe! Love and Respect- Jonathan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 05:03:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18520 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 05:03:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 18512 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 05:03:45 -0000 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (128.32.206.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 05:03:45 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA26045 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:03:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971118210058.0071c328@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:01:00 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: problems with sending to the list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle. could someone reply personally to me so i can determine if this is going to the list or not? i'm not getting echoes from anything i send... ------------------------------- "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 05:22:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22788 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 05:22:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 22778 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 05:22:47 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 05:22:47 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id VAA21090; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA28887; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:22:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:22:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: the Star Key cc: Steve Simitzis , sfraves , Is it Trance? <604@party.net>, Know 1 Subject: Humor (NRR and off topic) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Some really funny stuff!! :) hugz, Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ Below are some actual "gems" from church bulletins: ======================================================= 1) Don't let worry kill you. Let the Church help. 2) Thursday night-Potluck Supper. Prayer and medication to follow. 3) Remember in prayer the many who are sick of our church and community. 4) For those of you who have children and don't know it, we have a nursery downstairs. 5) The rosebud on the altar this morning is to announce the birth of David Alan Belzer, the sin of Rev and Mrs. Julius Belzer. 6) This afternoon there will be a meeting in the south and north ends of the church. Children will be baptized at both ends. 7) Tuesday at 4PM there will be an ice cream social. All ladies giving milk will please come early. 8) Wednesday, the Ladies Liturgy Society will meet. Mrs. Jones will sing "Put Me In My Little Bed" accompanied by the pastor. 9) Thursday at 5PM there will be a meeting of the Little Mothers Club. All wishing to become Little Mothers, please see the minister in his private study. 10) This being Easter Sunday, we will ask Mrs. Lewis to come forward and lay an egg on the altar. 11) The service will close with "Little Drops of Water". One of the ladies will start quietly and the rest of the congregation will join in. 12) Next Sunday, a special collection will be taken to defray the cost of the new carpet. All those wishing to do something on the new carpet will come forward and get a piece of paper. 13) The ladies of the church have cast off clothing of every kind and they may be seen in the church basement Friday. 14) A bean supper will be held on Tuesday evening in the church hall. Music will follow. 15) At the evening service tonight, the sermon topic will be "What is Hell?" Come early and listen to our choir practice. 16) Weight Watchers will meet at 7 PM at the First Baptist Church. Please use large double door at the side entrance. 17) The 1991 Spring Council Retreat will be hell May 10 and 11. 18) Pastor is on vacation. Massages can be given to church secretary. 19) 8 new choir robes are currently needed, due to the addition of several new members and to the deterioration of some older ones. 20) Mrs. Johnson will be entering the hospital this week for testes. 21) The Senior Choir invites any member of the congregation who enjoys sinning to join the choir. 22) Please join us as we show our support for Amy and Alan who is preparing for the girth of their first child. 23) Scouts are saving aluminum cans, bottles, and other items to be recycled. Proceeds will be used to cripple children. 24) The Lutheran Men's group will meet at 6 PM. Steak, mashed potatoes, green beans, bread and dessert will be served for a nominal feel. 25) The Associate Minister unveiled the church's new tithing campaign slogan last Sunday: "I Upped My Pledge--Up Yours." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 06:09:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2691 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 06:09:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 2682 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 06:08:58 -0000 Received: from mrin84.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin84.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.194) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 06:08:58 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin84.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA18253 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:08:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:08:25 -0500 (EST) From: CuddlMeZoe@aol.com Message-ID: <971119005755_-323372568@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: IWuVu637@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: who????????..zOe BeaR!!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I went to Harmony in LA, yeah yeah!!! Paulina Taylor x DNA were wonderful!!! Forces x Styles were absolutely fabulous, beautiful, energizing!!! When Heart of Gold came on, I was just going up to my friend Jen. She said perfect timing!!! and we embraced each other and danced off to the speakers in the sea of plurified kids. We sang to each other and the smiles were never wiped from our faces. I was in love with the crowd, the music, the speakers... *sigh* I know the party didn't get started till 11:15 or so, but I still had the bomb time! I was so sad that so few SF kids showed up. Urchie! where were you?? and where on earth was Stariana? I need to call that girl. It felt so good to be back wiff ma loves in so-cal, crowded by the speakers, bouncing around to the happy hardcore. I was like the 3rd girl in line to get in, so *yAy*, I got a free tape!!! Mystr-E and Mars got the crowd off to a great start, filling the room wiff happy kids and dancing freaks!!! I met da cutest lil good viber...Herb, who used to be on AOL, and was wearing a lil Pooh hat, t'awwwww shucks. It was also dope to hear some old skool tekno :o) The room sitch sucked wiff the lack of the extra 2, but I still had a dope ass time! So when's the next dope lil kandie party up here? I want some of my so-cal kidees to come up in December for one or sumthin. We need some happy hardcore up here :o( I know some of you like it, and others could like it if they were more exposed to it, ya think?? Bring Paulina Taylor up here pweeeeez!! mixin in da pop hits bebe, yeah yeah! Well, I've babbled on enuff. Sawwy, I stop now :o] warm fuzzies for all!! BeaR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 06:29:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5505 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 06:29:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 5496 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 06:29:13 -0000 Received: from netcom12.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.124) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 06:29:13 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id WAA12973; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:29:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: who????????..zOe BeaR!!! To: CuddlMeZoe@aol.com cc: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" In-Reply-To: <971119005755_-323372568@mrin84.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You were there!!?!?!? I was there too!!! Well, for a little while! I had on my olive drab backpack with alien and Dr. Freecloud's patches on it and a white t-shirt that had black text that said "Raving is not a crime." :o I shoulda been wearing my laminate! I didn't realize SFers were going to be there!!!!! I actually had a really rotten night. My car got towed from near the map point while I was out running errands for H3 Productions and I'm not really into hardcore, but I went to the party to pick up some rekkids and other stuff from friends, but since the location got changed at the last minute, none of them were there :( So I went out and slept in my friends' car right after Ron D. Core and Thee-O started into the hardcore part of their set... But I really loved it when they spun that "The Spice Must Flow" track and that "Hear the Angels" track! Those are two of my all-time favorites! Anyway, if you're going to be in SoCal LET ME KNOW!!!! I'd love to run into SFRavers down here!!! :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 06:33:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6323 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 06:33:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 6315 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 06:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 06:33:23 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca72-04.ix.netcom.com [207.92.177.132]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01144 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:33:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34728940.15037858@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:37:52 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SFRaves Subject: VINTAGE CLOTHES CHEAP!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey everybody, I found this great knew store called UNDERGROUND CLOTHING It's run by these really cool people. They have tons of vintage clothes that are really rad. The stuff that you can't find on Haight anymore and the stuff that is too expensive to buy at Moon Zooms. Reasonable prices. Tons of selection. I put some clothes of mine on consignment. You can buy stuff, or you can do a %50 trade %40 cash sell. Here's the info: UNDERGROUND CLOTHING 515 S. Bascom Ave. San Jose, CA 95129 408.280.5548 Between San Carlos & Moorpark Look for the Wedding Announcment Sign Mon-Fri 10-7 Sat-Sun 12-5 Love, Paul*E*Wog From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 06:37:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7066 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 06:37:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 7056 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 06:37:15 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 06:37:15 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id WAA28951; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id WAA05346; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:37:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:37:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: Mind States In-Reply-To: <3472545B.BAC@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! ]=} Dionysus Dreams and jhno (from St. Johns) will be performing *low-key* ambience at the pre-party. Unfortunately we have completly sold out of tickets! :( I mention this so folks won't be wasting their time trying to find tickets. hugz, On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > ldylove@juno.com wrote: > > > > For any of you that want to go but can't afford the ticket price, you can > > e-mail them and get information on volunteering for the weekend. Be > > prepared to be there by 8:30 am and on both days. > > > Do you or anyone else have info about the friday night preparty? > I heard its only $5 but dont know where its at yet. > > thanks > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > > Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 06:45:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8450 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 06:45:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 8424 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 06:45:48 -0000 Received: from f33.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.44) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 06:45:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 12088 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 06:45:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19971119064521.12087.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.91 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:45:20 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.91] From: "Break Dancer" To: CuddlMeZoe@aol.com, unclenoa@netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: who????????..zOe BeaR!!! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:45:20 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > >Anyway, if you're going to be in SoCal LET ME KNOW!!!! I'd love to run >into SFRavers down here!!! :) > Ill be in LA for thanksgiving.... ill probably be going to some party with all my holmies from so-cal.... see ya at a party :) Peace Philip disordr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 06:48:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9076 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 06:48:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 9068 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 06:48:14 -0000 Received: from linex1.linex.com (HELO relay.linex.net) (199.4.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 06:48:14 -0000 Received: from linex4.linex.com (linex4.linex.com [206.54.38.14]) by relay.linex.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA15833 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:47:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from linex.linex.com by linex4.linex.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA28071; Tue, 18 Nov 97 22:46:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:47:58 -0800 (PST) From: aminita To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: ICQ In-Reply-To: <19971118.165833.4879.0.jasonelee@juno.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk YEs! I have ICQ 2 ! My number is 128205---ICQ ME! shira From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 06:49:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9630 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 06:49:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 9622 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 06:49:07 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 06:49:07 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA12461 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:48:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from pax-ca1-18.ix.netcom.com(199.35.217.50) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012437; Wed Nov 19 00:48:17 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971118224702.006b631c@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: akira6@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:47:02 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Diego Subject: Cafe Espresssssssssssssssssssoh! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk heya all you south bay SFRavers! just curious if peeps still go to cafe espresso on wednesday nights...um k. thats it <3, Diego From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 06:50:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10245 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 06:50:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 10237 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 06:50:04 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 06:50:04 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BgA15945; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:49:19 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:52:46 -0800 Subject: Re: How was everyones weekend??/Feelings about the scene Message-ID: <19971116.100223.7598.6.drek1@juno.com> References: <971118181310_1980466620@mrin52.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,9-10,28-29,32-33,35-39 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:33:43 -0500 (EST) TeKnODiVa@aol.com writes: >Hey.. I like to meet people and I just happen to be someone who can't >remember names for shit. It takes a long time for me to get them to >stick in >my head. Maybe I'm using a bad example here seeing as hella people have written back to me saying that it's a common thing. I too admit that I forget names so I should have thought more before I typed it. But basically the point is that there is so much, shall I say, false admiration at parties lately. I mean, if someone appears so delighted to meet you, then how come they never call back later on when you call them to see if they want to hang out or something. Or when you are walking around at the party later that night and you see the same person again. Now forget about names for a minute but what happens when they give you this look like, "uhhh, leave me alone." I don't know. Just observations. I've given up basically all hope of going through the process of making friends while at a party. The only way I'm going to become a good friend with anyone in the scene is if I hang out with that person fairly often outside of parties. For example, Bryon. I met him in June and hung out with him for like two weeks or so before we ever went to a party together. Me and him are bestest friends now. I would love to meet all of you on the list but if I do, it's going to have to be at a coffee shop or record store and not at a meeting spot at midnight in front of the jungle decks. If any of you would like to get to know me and hang out with me, just give me a page. I live in Castro Valley which is next to Hayward and I'm a super nice guy. So my pager is waiting to vibrate like little cells dancing in Brownian motion ( little inside joke for science nerds......don't get me wrong, I love science but I'm not a geek.) dErEk For anyone who wants to know me outside the scene pgr- 510-561-2647 I'll talk to guys later. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 07:32:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16254 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 07:32:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 16244 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 07:32:07 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 07:32:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA31556 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:30:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:30:13 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: synyster Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk saturday night was brought to you by the viberation kru. lovely. lovely, lovely, lovely. i dunno what inspired me to hop into th hottub, i think it was marty calling my name. but at the time, it seemed as if the bubbles were! ;) you guys missed out, it felt LOVERLY. but then, i'm sick now. anyway. i wanted to ask how come no one has given MEEKS any props for his set? he brought the crowd in HARDCORE and had everyone jumpin the whole time, without a beat! the boy takes off from Cal Poly and comes back with MAD SKILLZ :) illin'! props to Siphon for bustin out with a resounding "REEEEWWWIIIIINNNDDDDDDD" that got everyone in the mood for a classic session of junglenuttin'. :) then came loverly Science, with an equally lovely set WICKED WICKED boy! ... then Flux n (was i imagining Rinse tagteaming?) was throwin down, but I think i was running around at this point. and then... Re Ach with his terrifyingly pleasant gabber (except for tha ":i fucked that bitch and i fucked her good" or whatever it was sample, that was kinda... hmm! am i old?) and then just as Siphon goes on, I am dragged upstairs and had to leave. but i got to watch him bounce quite a bit, boy, do you EVER stop bouncing? SO YEAH the main focus in my night was the jungle, but all you wonderfulpeople kept distracting me. thanks tons to the viberation kru for a lovely evening, the decorations in the jungle room were classy, not disgustingly candy, and not played down too much -- purrrrrrfect! i've been not into the UG scene lately as my personal perspectives have been changing and such, i want to thank AndyW for convincing me to give SINISTER a chance, you and the rest of the viberation kru showed me what i'm missing out on. i'm still burnt out, but damn did i have fun! see u all someday soon, more likely at a movie however. isn't this rain WONDERFUL? drive safe though.. xo lara From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 07:36:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17519 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 07:36:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 17511 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 07:36:11 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 07:36:11 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA14634 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:36:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971118233717.00690d1c@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:37:17 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: VespaRaver Subject: SoCal In-Reply-To: <19971119064521.12087.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Any SFRavers from San Diego? I'll be down there from December 21st thru January 25th! Anyone else gonna be there? At 10:45 PM 11/18/97 PST, you wrote: > > >> >>Anyway, if you're going to be in SoCal LET ME KNOW!!!! I'd love to run >>into SFRavers down here!!! :) >> > Ill be in LA for thanksgiving.... ill probably be going to some party >with all my holmies from so-cal.... > >see ya at a party :) >Peace >Philip >disordr > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 07:39:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18185 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 07:39:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 18176 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 07:39:24 -0000 Received: from f14.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 07:39:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 6400 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 07:38:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19971119073857.6399.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.91 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:38:56 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.91] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ledesma@sfsu.edu Subject: Re: SoCal Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:38:56 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ill be in la for winter break too.....hmm my UC schedule is .. december 14th to the 5th of jan or sumin... ok.. peace Philly disordr (further procratinatin my essay) >Any SFRavers from San Diego? I'll be down there from December 21st thru >January 25th! Anyone else gonna be there? > > >At 10:45 PM 11/18/97 PST, you wrote: >> >> >>> >>>Anyway, if you're going to be in SoCal LET ME KNOW!!!! I'd love to run >>>into SFRavers down here!!! :) >>> >> Ill be in LA for thanksgiving.... ill probably be going to some party >>with all my holmies from so-cal.... >> >>see ya at a party :) >>Peace >>Philip >>disordr >> >> >> > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 08:28:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29284 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 08:28:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 29276 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 08:28:42 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 08:28:42 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-186.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.186]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id AAA15303 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:28:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3472A39A.7C37@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:30:18 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: styles of communication Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In regards to communication and making friends at raves. someone wrote about people seeming superficial because they were real friendly and then seemed distant later in the evening. We all have different styles of communicating and different approaches to interacting. We all have different comfort levels. Some become best of friends instantly others may feel threatened or smothered by someone who moves so quickly. I personally consider friendship to be the most important thing in life and my friends know me as very loyal and caring. However it takes a long time for me to develope those type of friendships. Sometimes it happens instantly, but usually for me it takes time I enjoy hugs very much but often feel very uncomfortable with that sometimes because it has to be sincere on both my part and my friends and for me I have to know someone before i can really sincerely say i love them and i question someone who says they love me when they dont have a clue as to who i am. And i understand how some might interpret that as aloofness. One of the things i do in astrology is realtionship charts. You can look at a chart and find a persons communication style and there is always a match in good relationships. There are 12 basic styles of communication based on where your mercury is, and thousands of variations of each style. Some couples like a real mellow peaceful relationship and these people need someome who is similar to them. Others might find that boring, they want tension and excitement so they need someone who is different from them to provide that. So i guess its important to remember that we all have different styles and there is no right or wrong style. The trick is learning to find good matches and to build bridges where there are conflicts and differences. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish ps..i have accidentally become famous due to an astrological article i wrote. It was all a joke but it is is being published and im getting email from all over the globe because of it. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 09:34:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12697 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 09:34:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 12689 invoked by uid 24); 19 Nov 1997 09:34:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 27228 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 03:21:34 -0000 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (128.32.206.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 03:21:34 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA15970 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:21:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971118191842.006e28b8@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:18:47 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: my to-do list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i have to know. i have to shine. i have to see your face just once before i leave for manhattan to meet my ex-girlfriend and die of a crystal methamphetamine overdose. i have to grow wings. i have to sign my name to my first rent check that i earned with my own money. i have to kiss the lips of a marble statue. i have to put an old school breakbeat record on. i have to hurt you so that you’ll forget me. i have to scurry when they turn the lights on. i have to take a class so i’ll know how to make acid. i have to worry about a government conspiracy. i have to be attracted to another man and kiss him in front of my mother and father. i have to fall off the roof and break my arm. i have to wear adidas. i have to sing along with dead rock stars. i have to wake up and find the bed empty. i have to wander the streets at 6 a.m. looking at the faint blurry haloes around everything with my body dehydrated and void and my pockets full of crumpled fliers and my stomach a tight knot and my face a mask of exhaustion and wait for the BART to open. i have to run away to arizona. i have to lose my virginity at all costs. i have to fill out the forms in triplicate. i have to keep my goddamn mouth shut. i have to watch the sun set over the santa monica bay under those beautiful deep red polluted clouds. i have to buy water inside. i have to tell you something important but you’re not home and i don’t want to leave a hang-up on your answering machine. i have to learn about galaxies. i have to feed my paralyzed grandmother with an IV. i have to listen to the moans and creaking bedsprings next door. i have to give you a copy of my mixtape because it’s pretty cool and besides you did the cover art. i have to cry. i have to wait in line and get offered ecstasy that might make me sick. i have to dance. i have to live. i have to finally feel your body against mine. i have to prove something. i have to go now. ------------------------------- "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 10:57:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9594 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 10:57:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 9586 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 10:57:47 -0000 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (128.32.206.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 10:57:47 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA27183 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:57:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971119024714.0075536c@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:55:04 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: thanks y'all Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk my e-mail's back to normal, or at least a semblance thereof. it happened magically on its own. thanks for responding to my little request there, that was really cool. ------------------------------- "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 11:01:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10306 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 11:01:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 10298 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 11:01:51 -0000 Received: from mrin54.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin54.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.164) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 11:01:51 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin54.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA06158 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:01:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:01:20 -0500 (EST) From: Tekno313@aol.com Message-ID: <971119060119_-972236656@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Attn: Photgraphers! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Anyone out there that fancies themselves a photographer(amateur or otherwise), please email me privately. I need some work done that will benefit the both of us. Thanks! --Monty From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 11:51:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18568 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 11:51:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18560 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 11:51:01 -0000 Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (gchan@206.184.139.138) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 11:51:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (gchan@localhost) by shell7.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA15791 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:51:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:51:00 -0800 (PST) From: Curious George To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Call me Ahab. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Went to see juno reactor and moby tonight at the Edge. Juno reactor did their best to get the catatonic crowd up and jumping. Tribal trance with live drums and instruments. I like. :) Head dresses, bare skin, bamboo jewelry. But they only played for 20 minutes... because some angsty bald headed kid shows up and starts struttin' across the stage. Pretentious performer, unsophisticated music. IMO,by sucked. As a performer, he's got a lot of energy but no style or grace. The music he played was 2 dimensional with occassional spurts of danceable lines. Some of it was heavy metalish, some of it was electronic rock. Now I know what he's all about. And Powder he is not. (i'm not usually this negative, as you know) it was worth the 6 to hear Juno reactor, and to find out that I don't like Moby. I got a free Big Fop shirt which I will be wearing proudly as soon as I make a few minor adjustments. Juno reactor and Moby will play later this week in the city. I suspect the energy will be completely different, but Moby will still be blubber...burb, blub. suburbia vs urbania discuss G R O U N D Keep It ____ ~~~~=====> (o___>>{ ~gmc~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 12:13:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20891 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 12:13:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 20882 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 12:13:10 -0000 Received: from sweden-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO sweden.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 12:13:10 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (1Cust119.tnt3.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.9.119]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25477 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 04:13:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34722F8B.D1970E51@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:15:07 -0800 From: Andrew Rudkosky X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: check out my new ravepage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I know there's not much ... well theres nothing actually... but tell me what you think anyways... do you like the catagories and graphics? tell me if i need to add or delete or change anything... http://home.earthlink.net/rudkosky email me back please.... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 12:15:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21527 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 12:15:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21518 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 12:15:47 -0000 Received: from sweden-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO sweden.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 12:15:47 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (1Cust119.tnt3.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.9.119]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA27477 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 04:15:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34723028.4FD2121C@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:17:44 -0800 From: Andrew Rudkosky X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: sorry about that... the address is... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk http://www.home.earthlink.net/~rudkosky From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 12:19:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22194 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 12:19:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22183 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 12:18:59 -0000 Received: from sweden-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO sweden.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 12:18:59 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (1Cust119.tnt3.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.9.119]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01486 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 04:18:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347230E9.DA5AB280@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:20:57 -0800 From: Andrew Rudkosky X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: i fucked up again... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I know you all probably think i'm stupid by now but please give me one more chance... http://home.earthlink.net/~rudkosky From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 16:27:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8079 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 16:27:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 8068 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 16:27:07 -0000 Received: from f9.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 16:27:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 14425 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 16:26:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19971119162640.14424.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.182.131.175 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:26:40 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.182.131.175] From: "Carol Saldana" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Juno/Moby reviews? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:26:40 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi SF ravers, I was wondering if anyone made it to the Juno Reactor/Moby event last night. I didn't make it but was curious how it went off! Thanks a bunch, Carol Saldana From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 16:32:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9720 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 16:32:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 9704 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 16:32:26 -0000 Received: from ws100.eisinet.com (HELO eisinet.com) (206.159.237.101) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 16:32:26 -0000 Received: from EISIHQ-Message_Server by eisinet.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:32:55 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:32:37 -0800 From: Veann Cao To: anarchy@galaxy.galstar.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Its a small world .... -Reply Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk that's the cOolest... when you run into someone you haven't seen in a looooong time and like you go "whoah! you rave too???" and everyone is happy =) happens to everyone i've known heehee oh i can't wait til the day i see an old enemy while i'm eing balls at a rave. MEOW!!! pfft! pfft! hehe j/k From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 17:06:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19655 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 17:06:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 19647 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 17:06:14 -0000 Received: from f102.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.221) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 17:06:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 17056 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 17:05:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19971119170542.17054.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:05:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:05:42 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On a serious note, I've really been realizing and noticing the effects of the drugs that I may, or may not have taken. Being down, not just me, but it is very noticeable with many people in the scene. Is this why we have so much of what we like to call "drama?" I find myself thinking way to much about things that do not even matter to me. And by doing that I have found myself lost in a sense. I'm trying really hard to divert the energies that I put out towards other things back into myself. Things always get better. This is the one thing I've been able to rely on. I now understand why so many people were showing their worries for me when I first started with partying and I think I finally learned my lesson. I want the happiness that I used to have without the use of substances. It will just take some practice I guess...Well I gotta go serve tables now and wonder about me. I would really like to hear some opinions on this **How does drug use really affect the "vibe?"** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 17:16:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22689 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 17:16:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 22675 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 17:16:32 -0000 Received: from fillmore.criticalpath.net (209.104.216.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 17:16:32 -0000 Received: (cpmta 26017 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 17:15:58 GMT Received: from work.wayne.net (HELO ?209.104.216.111?) (209.104.216.111) by criticalpath.net.criticalpath.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 09:15:58 -0800 X-CriticalPath-Timestamp: 19 Nov 1997 17:15:58 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:16:31 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: review: Juno Reactor and Moby at the Edge Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well, what can I say; techno and a mixed typical south bay crowd mixed with a *few* ravers at the Edge. Real continuous beat music from Matt Mau in between and after the shows. Who would have figured. Juno Reactor rocked. Tribal techno/trance. Too bad that the crowd did not at all get it. Who could have expected them to? I danced though. Moby, as usual, sucked. He's still beating the drum to the same old dreck he was spewing in 1991 , up to and including his stale "Jesus standing on the keyboard" routine that he does "fastest song in the world." At least this time he didn't take his jeans off. Moby: next time, stay home and spare us the agony. Clue: New material needed. ps: Moby also slammed the Big Top tour that he performed at here earlier this year. He sucked there, too. I have it on DAT to prove it. :-) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 17:34:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29108 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 17:34:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 29099 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 17:34:46 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 17:34:46 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10043; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04886; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:28:32 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:37:10 -0800 To: "bABy HueY" From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk e definitely gets weird with repeated use. don't kid yourself...it's not magic and it's not perfect. it can screw with your emotions in an unpleasant way. it can give you anxiety attacks & paranoia. limited use will give you the optimal effects. my rule of thumb is once a season. it can enhance your life if used correctly. put your head on bass ackwards if not taken seriously. respect it. respect your natural, keen senses. respect the purity of your spirit. respect your ability to be happy. respect your buff crew-team bod. ~~~~) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 18:00:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7943 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 18:00:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 7932 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 18:00:12 -0000 Received: from email.sjsu.edu (130.65.3.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 18:00:12 -0000 Received: from crc3.concentric.net (isc-ts2-114.sjsu.edu [130.65.25.114]) by email.sjsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24180 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:00:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971119180621.006b5850@email.sjsu.edu> X-Sender: ubs00747@email.sjsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:06:21 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: CrazE Subject: moby tonight @ fillmore? :) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey! who's going to see moby tonight and how will we recognise you? i'm a 6'4" white guy w/my right arm in a sling under my shirt and a ten-month-old goat-tee hangin from my chin. my buddy is a hindi guy clean shaven, with short black hair. his name is "J". but you can just say "yo" to either of us and we'll probably be happy to see you! 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' From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 18:30:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18637 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 18:30:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 18626 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 18:30:57 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 18:30:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19971119182856.2890.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.57.69] by attach1; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:28:56 PST Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:28:56 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers To: Customer Service , bABy HueY Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ---Customer Service wrote: > > e definitely gets weird with repeated use. don't kid >yourself...it's not > magic and it's not perfect. You are so right. This goes back to something Megan H. said, "Find yourself first, take drugs to enhance what you've found." I find when I haven't taken it in long time its much more fun as well. > it can screw with your emotions in an unpleasant way. >it can give you > anxiety attacks & paranoia. limited use will give you >the optimal effects. Ever seen anyone who has taken E every weekend for a while? They just can't seem to get happy without it, very scary. > my rule of thumb is once a season. it can enhance >your life if used > correctly. put your head on bass ackwards if not >taken seriously. I think this is pretty true with any drug, they all need to be taken with discression and care. > respect it. respect your natural, keen senses. >respect the purity of > your spirit. respect your ability to be happy. Its one thing to enhance, but quite another to dull. You are so right boom! >respect your buff > crew-team bod. UUUHHHH no comment? hehe Laters LL From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 19:46:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14947 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 19:46:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 14905 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 19:46:00 -0000 Received: from mrin43.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin43.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.153) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 19:46:00 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin43.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA01620; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:45:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:45:32 -0500 (EST) From: PHUNKN3@aol.com Message-ID: <971119144531_1913468169@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ==>PHUNCKATECK 2NITE<== Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Drum & Bass assassins for the evening (11/19) will include: UFO, JUJU, JASON MOUSE & special guest MARK KATZ of course in the back spinning HIP HOP we have: S.C.U.B.A. SKWAD (CHARLIE BUCKET, BEATJAKR, DOLBEE, TABU). CATS ALLEY BAR AND GRILL, 1190 FOLSOM @ 8TH 10 PM TILL 3 AM 1 8 + W/ ID $5 on the door Info line: 415.331.1500. ext.160 Hope to see you all there!! PEACE PHUNKN3@AOL.COM From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 21:22:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17649 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 21:22:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 17641 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 21:22:40 -0000 Received: from mrin47.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin47.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.157) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 21:22:40 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin47.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA17030; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:22:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:22:13 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971119162212_-121073220@mrin47> To: peter@niles.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/19/97 10:34:58 AM, Boomer wrote: <> A slice out of Natasha's journal one nite while immersed deep in the realm of introspective thought: <<..... people use alterants for so many different reasons..some make you dance better, some open you up, some foster creative fury, some make you feel....... But what if all those things are already there to begin with? Then it's almost like "cheating," like skipping all those developmental steps along the path of life where you learn, through trial and error, what it's like to interact with people in an unaltered state and grow to *understand* humans as they function internally, mentally ....... Are they a mere distraction? Don't need them to be able to be myself. I am myself naturally..... have spent countless years exploring the depths of the human mind and soul in an UNaltered state... and I remember the words of my dad..."once you plunge into the abyss, whether steep or shallow, you never emerge the same...." we all hope we emerge better off. lots of people have. i have. or was i always that way anyway??>> From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 21:45:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26453 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 21:45:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 26434 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 21:45:51 -0000 Received: from mrin58.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin58.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.168) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 21:45:51 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA18377 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:45:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:45:24 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971119164524_1704796241@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: thanksgiving humor Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-19 09:51:33 EST, trmatthe@Adobe.COM writes: << TOP 10 THINGS THAT SOUND DIRTY AT THANKSGIVING BUT AREN'T 10. "Reach in and grab the giblets." 9. "Whew...that's one terrific spread!" 8. "I am in the mood for a little dark meat!" 7. "Tying the legs together will keep the inside moist." 6. "Talk about a HUGE breast!" 5. "And he forces his way into the end zone!" 4. "She's 5000 pounds fully inflated and it takes 15 men to hold her down." 3. "It's cool whip time!" 2. "If I don't unbutton my pants, I am going to burst!" .... and the number one thing that sounds dirty at Thanksgiving but isn't..... 1. "It must be broken 'cause when I push on the tip, nothing squirts out." >> I thought it was kinda funny....*MushyB! or Melissa --------------------- Forwarded message: From: trmatthe@Adobe.COM (Trevor Matthews) To: blue@cogswell.edu, theblzo@juno.com, jblaze@pacbell.net, micron1@rocketmail.com, karma2001@aol.com, weez420_e@hotmail.com Date: 97-11-19 09:51:33 EST TOP 10 THINGS THAT SOUND DIRTY AT THANKSGIVING BUT AREN'T 10. "Reach in and grab the giblets." 9. "Whew...that's one terrific spread!" 8. "I am in the mood for a little dark meat!" 7. "Tying the legs together will keep the inside moist." 6. "Talk about a HUGE breast!" 5. "And he forces his way into the end zone!" 4. "She's 5000 pounds fully inflated and it takes 15 men to hold her down." 3. "It's cool whip time!" 2. "If I don't unbutton my pants, I am going to burst!" .... and the number one thing that sounds dirty at Thanksgiving but isn't..... 1. "It must be broken 'cause when I push on the tip, nothing squirts out." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 21:56:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2576 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 21:56:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 2567 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 21:56:22 -0000 Received: from f62.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.148) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 21:56:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28053 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 21:55:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19971119215551.28052.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.171.199.82 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:55:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.171.199.82] From: "Paula Sinclear" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Wonder review Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:55:50 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Wonder 2 turned out better that I thought it would. A bunch of the sfr people showed, it is great seeing you guys :)! The Dj's spun some phat sets, props to Alex (Science) and Noah (Siphon), YEAH! Yeah it was a little crowded (my fault? Sorry guys!) Maybe a little hot? Great job, hope to see another soon. Paula From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 22:09:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8993 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 22:09:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 8983 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 22:09:14 -0000 Received: from f12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 22:09:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 8581 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 22:08:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19971119220844.8580.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.171.199.82 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:08:43 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.171.199.82] From: "Paula Sinclear" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: SINISTER =) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:08:43 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Did any of you hear the voice mail? RE-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH, Hee, hee!!! Well, I want to keep this short. I give mad props to Viberation for throwing down! Great location, not that crowded, and I liked their concept of no chill room (keeps people dancing instead of sitting, makes people have more fun!) Also mad props to all the DJ!!!!!!!!!! YEAAAAAAH!!!!!! Great sets! They all kicked my ass! To my understanding they were told to shut it down at 1:30. They were told to shut down or be fine. Well, the party went off until 7:00. Thank you for not letting the people down. You guys are great!!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait until the next one! Take care and much love, Paula P.S. Yes I'm still alive!!!!!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 23:18:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 186 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 23:18:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 170 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 23:18:28 -0000 Received: from precipice.v-site.net (204.188.120.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 23:18:28 -0000 Received: from ecotopia (ecotopia.cybertribe.com [204.188.120.74]) by precipice.v-site.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA13647 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:28:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971119152323.00a30c30@pop3.v-site.net> X-Sender: cybertrb@pop3.v-site.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 b4 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:23:23 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Geoff White Subject: Rythym tonight at 1015 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk For all you true believers: Tonight at 1015 Mark and Tracy's Party RYTHYM Downstairs No sell-out House with Tracy Toni Simon Upstairs, PHAT BEATS with La Ron Buna Bengi Doors open at 10 pm $7 I'll see you on the dance floor G From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 23:36:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3433 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 23:36:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 3419 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 23:36:37 -0000 Received: from f23.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.34) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 23:36:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 16230 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 23:36:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19971119233610.16229.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.61.227 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:36:09 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.212.61.227] From: "Lindsey Clark" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: SoCal Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:36:09 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >From sfraves-owner-ladysass=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 23:39:34 1997 >Received: (qmail 18185 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 07:39:25 -0000 >Received: (qmail 18176 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 07:39:24 -0000 >Received: from f14.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.25) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 07:39:24 -0000 >Received: (qmail 6400 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 07:38:57 -0000 >Message-ID: <19971119073857.6399.qmail@hotmail.com> >Received: from 207.104.33.91 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:38:56 PST >X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.91] >From: "Break Dancer" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ledesma@sfsu.edu >Subject: Re: SoCal >Content-Type: text/plain >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:38:56 PST >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > Lindsey C. will be in LA/SD sometime between Dec. 21-Jan. 25 check out the wonderful J.Splat if you go to any LA jungle parties!! (ladysass@hotmail.com) > >ill be in la for winter break too.....hmm my UC schedule is .. >december 14th to the 5th of jan or sumin... >ok.. >peace >Philly >disordr > >(further procratinatin my essay) > >>Any SFRavers from San Diego? I'll be down there from December 21st >thru >>January 25th! Anyone else gonna be there? >> >> >>At 10:45 PM 11/18/97 PST, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Anyway, if you're going to be in SoCal LET ME KNOW!!!! I'd love to >run >>>>into SFRavers down here!!! :) >>>> >>> Ill be in LA for thanksgiving.... ill probably be going to some >party >>>with all my holmies from so-cal.... >>> >>>see ya at a party :) >>>Peace >>>Philip >>>disordr >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 23:45:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6212 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 23:45:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 6202 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 23:45:03 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 23:45:03 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PQS12292; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:33:10 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers Message-ID: <19971119.123530.6423.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> References: <19971119170542.17054.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-30,32-46 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:33:10 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:05:42 GMT "bABy HueY" writes: > On a serious note, I've really been realizing and noticing the >effects of the drugs that I may, or may not have taken. Being down, >not just me, but it is very noticeable with many people in the scene. > >Is this why we have so much of what we like to call "drama?" I find >myself thinking way to much about things that do not even matter to >me. I would love to see more raves where drugs were not allowed. Not even alcohol or cigarettes. Let the focus be on the music, community and those spiritual experience thingys. I often wonder what a rave would be like if the promoters stayed sober and provided an environment where drugs and alcohol were not the focus of the party. But most people haven't got to the point that they can have fun with out chemicals...or found the inner experiences that the drugs give the illusion of. Drugs only point the way. I believe that as others have pointed out, chemicals can open you up to new experiences and show you what is possible but too much only dis-integrates your soul. I would love to wake up on monday morning and see posts about the spiritual experiences that people had at the weekend parties rather than the typical reviews we see here about how good the E was and the pretty lights and such and such dj. or that is was too hot or there were too many or not enough of this or that (Not that those posts are bad or anything) I have a funny post about thinking too much i will post latter after this solar flare calms down and email starts working and people arent so uptight. Happy thanksgiving all ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 23:53:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8144 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 23:53:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 8122 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 23:52:59 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 23:52:59 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA25405; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:52:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971119155327.00699ca4@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:53:27 -0800 To: foolish_fish1@juno.com From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971119.123530.6423.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> References: <19971119170542.17054.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Everyone needs to do what THEY want to do, not what everyone else wants them to do! At 03:33 PM 11/19/97 EST, you wrote: > >On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:05:42 GMT "bABy HueY" >writes: >> On a serious note, I've really been realizing and noticing the >>effects of the drugs that I may, or may not have taken. Being down, >>not just me, but it is very noticeable with many people in the scene. >> >>Is this why we have so much of what we like to call "drama?" I find >>myself thinking way to much about things that do not even matter to >>me. > > >I would love to see more raves where drugs were not allowed. Not >even alcohol or cigarettes. Let the focus be on the music, >community and those spiritual experience thingys. >I often wonder what a rave would be like if the promoters >stayed sober and provided an environment where drugs and >alcohol were not the focus of the party. > >But most people haven't got to the point that they can have fun >with out chemicals...or found the inner experiences that the drugs >give the illusion of. Drugs only point the way. > >I believe that as others have pointed out, chemicals can open you up >to new experiences and show you what is possible but too much >only dis-integrates your soul. > >I would love to wake up on monday morning and see posts >about the spiritual experiences that people had at the weekend >parties rather than the typical reviews we see here about >how good the E was and the pretty lights and such and such dj. > or that is was too hot or there were too many or not enough of this or >that >(Not that those posts are bad or anything) > > I have a funny post about thinking too much >i will post latter after this solar flare calms down >and email starts working >and people arent so uptight. > >Happy thanksgiving all > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > > > > ======================================================********************** ********************************"Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" ******************************************************====================== ================================ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 23:54:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9159 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 23:54:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 9150 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 23:54:15 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 23:54:15 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA25607; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:54:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971119155519.00695004@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:55:19 -0800 To: "Lindsey Clark" From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: SoCal Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971119233610.16229.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You go, Lady Sass...you know where it's at, and you can crash wherever with me! I love you so much!!!!! You are the bestest in the world! I'm sooooooo glad I found you up here in S.F.! Don't be embarrased that I'm posting this about you because I want everyone in the world to know how much I love you because you are the fucking greatest and that's all there is to it! I'm going to miss you when you move away from me, but I'll visit you at least once a week! I love you (like you didn't already know that!) Love, VespaRaver At 03:36 PM 11/19/97 PST, you wrote: > > >>From sfraves-owner-ladysass=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 18 >23:39:34 1997 >>Received: (qmail 18185 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 07:39:25 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 18176 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 07:39:24 >-0000 >>Received: from f14.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.25) >> by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 07:39:24 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 6400 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1997 07:38:57 -0000 >>Message-ID: <19971119073857.6399.qmail@hotmail.com> >>Received: from 207.104.33.91 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; >> Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:38:56 PST >>X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.91] >>From: "Break Dancer" >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ledesma@sfsu.edu >>Subject: Re: SoCal >>Content-Type: text/plain >>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:38:56 PST >>Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >>Precedence: bulk >> >Lindsey C. will be in LA/SD sometime between Dec. 21-Jan. 25 check out >the wonderful J.Splat if you go to any LA jungle parties!! >(ladysass@hotmail.com) >> >>ill be in la for winter break too.....hmm my UC schedule is .. >>december 14th to the 5th of jan or sumin... >>ok.. >>peace >>Philly >>disordr >> >>(further procratinatin my essay) >> >>>Any SFRavers from San Diego? I'll be down there from December 21st >>thru >>>January 25th! Anyone else gonna be there? >>> >>> >>>At 10:45 PM 11/18/97 PST, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anyway, if you're going to be in SoCal LET ME KNOW!!!! I'd love to >>run >>>>>into SFRavers down here!!! :) >>>>> >>>> Ill be in LA for thanksgiving.... ill probably be going to some >>party >>>>with all my holmies from so-cal.... >>>> >>>>see ya at a party :) >>>>Peace >>>>Philip >>>>disordr >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > ======================================================********************** ********************************"Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" ******************************************************====================== ================================ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 23:56:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10370 invoked by uid 6000); 19 Nov 1997 23:56:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 10360 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 23:56:40 -0000 Received: from ocrleader.caere.com (198.71.71.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 23:56:40 -0000 Received: from caere.caere.com by ocrleader.caere.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id XAVJVHLL; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:55:19 -0800 Received: from granite.caere.com by caere.caere.com with SMTP id AA18412 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:57:06 -0800 Received: by granite.caere.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12253; Wed, 19 Nov 97 15:57:58 PST From: darrele@caere.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <9711192357.AA12253@granite.caere.com> Subject: Review:Moby/JunoReactor (longish) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:57:58 -0800 (PST) Cc: darrele@caere.com (Darrel Etter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Review: Moby and JunoReactor at the Edge in Palo Alto, Nov.18,1997 Summary Good Points: KOME earplugs, Moby standing on his keyboard, DJ Matt Mau. Summary Bad Points: lame performances, what's the point? Intro: JunoReactor was a big influence for me toward trance. I really thought they were great a couple of years ago. I think their tracks are very well crafted. I was never into Moby. I don't know when I'll learn. If an electronic dance music artist says something like "I don't want the audience to just have to watch some dweebs hidden behind a thousand synths, I want them to enjoy a performance", I should know it's gonna be shitty music, and a corny performance. Moby had some reviews in Metro and Eye that said something simular to that. But I expected Juno Reactor to have more integrity. So, JunoReactor mostly hid behind his synths (mixer, laptop, moog rogue, and racks of stuff is all I saw) like a proper dance musician, but he had to do somthing corny. So he had four fake JuJu African musicians dancing, pretending to play pseudo-African instruments, doing acrobats, and yelping. The only sounds they were making that were being adaquatly mic'd were the yelpings. Now don't get me wrong. If JunoReactor had actually integrated his tracks into some kind of Juju music, like King Sunny Ade type stuff, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME! I love juju. Anyone without King Sunny Ade in their music collection is truley deprived. This was not the case. It was a fake show with poor sound reinforcement. One track that I recognized off of Beyond the Infinite came off sounding muted and not properly mixed for the house, and the juju gentlemen obviously didn't even know the track because they would play in the quiet spots, and miss the bridges, etc. WEAK! In between the acts, DJ Matt Mau spun some vinyl. It was nice tasty funky techno stuff. I could feel it in my legs, and I started to dance a bit, even in the rock concert type atmosphere. Thanks for that! I'll have to check out Rythm Music in San Jose for this reason. Then moby came on with a big dramtic build up and a rock concert show style. Ok, say you and your buddies are hanging out in your friends garage with a drum set, guitar, bass, and latin percussion setup. You guys are in a speed metal band and you're fooling around. So, you hook a CD player up to your PA system, slide in a Moby CD cira '92, and you all start to play along with it. THAT is what it sounded like, because THAT is what it was!! True, the drummer was excellent, Moby plays a wicked speed metal guitar, but SO WHAT! You know how you go to a rave, or a Sunset party, and there is a guy with a drum set setup playing along with the tracks. I always try to get away from those drummers because they totally ruin the sound. MOBY MADE MOBY SOUND BAD! What's the point? I repeat. Moby was not playing Moby's music. Moby was playing guitar band stuff on top of Moby's old tracks. WEAK!!! The only part of Moby's show I liked was when Moby stood on top of his keyboard (a Yamaha SY85 synth which he hardly played). I've never seen anyone stand on a keyboard before. One point for Yamaha for creating such a durable keyboard. It's shows like this that really make me appriciate local electronic acts of the past years. These guys could learn so much from guys like FREAKY CHAKRA and ASTRAL MATRIX. They are pros, they are honest, giving, real musicians who work hard to do a live show, and it sounds that way. Moby and JunoReactor are stupid sluts. I went to support them for what they've done in the past, but if they're going to pull of stuff like that, screw'em. OTHER RANTS: What's up with English acts always having tremendously bright lites shinig from the stage to the audience. I hate that! Are we supposed to be scared? Are they trying to burn out our eyes so we don't see how old and ugly they are? BEST PERFORMANCE: KOME handed out free earplugs before the show. Thank you, you've changed my opinion of you with that one simple move. =Darrel darrele@caere.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 00:00:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11920 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 00:00:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 11905 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:00:12 -0000 Received: from mrin53.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin53.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.163) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:00:12 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA05677; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:59:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:59:44 -0500 (EST) From: NinaAni@aol.com Message-ID: <971119185944_1946698894@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: Natasha426@aol.com, peter@niles.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I will not play Tug O' War, I'd rather play Hug O' War; Where everyone hugs, instead of tugs, And everyone giggles and rolls on the rug. Where everyone kisses, and everyone grins; everyone cuddles, and everyone wins. -shel silverstein From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 00:12:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14879 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 00:12:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 14870 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:12:35 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:12:35 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA27721; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:12:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971119161338.00695f60@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:13:38 -0800 To: NinaAni@aol.com From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <971119185944_1946698894@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 06:59 PM 11/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > I will not play Tug O' War, > I'd rather play Hug O' War; > Where everyone hugs, instead of tugs, > And everyone giggles and rolls on the rug. > Where everyone kisses, > and everyone grins; > everyone cuddles, > and everyone wins. >-shel silverstein > > i agree, and i LOVE shel silverstein! -->VespaRaver ======================================================********************** ********************************"Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" ******************************************************====================== ================================ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 00:21:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17920 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 00:21:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 17912 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:21:17 -0000 Received: from muspelheim.pc.cs.cmu.edu (HELO avalon.slackers.net) (skoop@128.2.204.80) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:21:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (skoop@localhost) by avalon.slackers.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA27312 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:21:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:21:23 -0500 (EST) From: jimg/skoop To: sfraves Subject: moby/JR @ Edge-my take Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was quite underwhelmed. Juno Reactor, who I know nothing about, opened. I was hoping that they'd be a couple of guys with lots o'gear, sequencing/tweaking away, but instead there were 4 guys dressed as african tribesmen, playing various 'tribal' percussion instruments, dancing in a stereotypically tribal way, and occasionally chanting into a microphone. Off to the side was a very Euro-lookin' dude standing behind what looked to be a mixing board and a laptop computer--except he rarely touched either. He also wore an electric guitar which I think he used twice. I really thing that the whole thing, or at least a huge chunk of it, was pre-taped, and simply played back, since the sounds that the tribesmen were supposedly making didn't seem to change too much when they accidentally stepped away from the microphones. :) you could hear some of the percussion, at times, however. then moby came on. there was a live bassist, a live drummer, a live percussion/conga player, he had a keyboard and a drum pad on stage, and a couple of times he played guitar. There was alot of stuff on tape. I guess it was a good show, the crowd really got hyped at the end, but I'm just not into moby at all. the new stuff was all "I wanna be a punk again" and the old stuff bordered on house...it was pretty cliche. somebody's already commented that it was very 2D...spot on. I thought also that it was pretty interesting that no sounds came out of his keyboard when he was standing on it, pressing down all the keys. but he sure does put a lot of emotion into playing just one or two keys... one of the reasons I moved to the bay area was that I was hoping that I'd be exposed to alot more live techno...this show wasn't what I expected/hoped. (when o when is autechre going to play sf?) -jimg --skoop@slackers.net --http://www.slackers.net/~skoop From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 00:28:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20644 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 00:28:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 20590 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:28:45 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:28:45 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25203 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA08576; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:22:35 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:31:17 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk =>======================================================********************** >********************************"Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" >******************************************************====================== >================================ oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------YES!------------- o0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0O From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 00:35:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22626 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 00:35:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 22617 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:35:52 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:35:52 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29815; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:35:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971119163630.0069cc9c@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:36:30 -0800 To: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_880014990==_" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk --=====================_880014990==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Peter...that's just my signature, and it's supposed to make people think. 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================================================= --=====================_880014990==_-- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 00:39:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24607 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 00:39:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 24590 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:39:14 -0000 Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:39:14 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id QAA14434; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:37:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347388F0.ECFE2FE0@best.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:48:48 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bABy HueY CC: sfraves Subject: Re: Wonder/Sinister Kickbuttinzky References: <19971119034613.28438.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > And special thanx to Jeremy (what) for (um) oh, Helping (ugh) me > discover (geesh) the fact that (aw sheet) the (uh) guys that figured out > that whole (uh) (like) mathematical concepts and theories were huge drug > adicts...the philosophers (shit, never mind) hey! that's not what I meant... although it could of been true. I actually don't remember the entire point of the conversation or if there were any motives involved at all, but I really did enjoy talking to ya and "naked boy" about drugs, their effects, benefits, philosophies, theories, and how the mind works. One of the biggest, if not the biggest learning experience of my life happened that night at Viberation! Still blown away, jer =) ps. here comes my review. > Peacefully modified, kinda > Danny, > King of the Weird Dancing People > **Ouch, asshole! that was my foot" > P.S. > Slinky condoms don't work very well, I'm assuming of course. he he :P > o > o > o o0 o0 > 0 O o From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 00:39:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25210 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 00:39:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 25197 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:39:30 -0000 Received: from value.net (raygun@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:39:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id QAA23198 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:39:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:39:29 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: Sfraves Subject: Lady Love....? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey little one..if you're out there please e-mail me=). love-Reagan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 00:41:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26205 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 00:41:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 26197 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:41:23 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:41:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 5083 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:44:47 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:44:47 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971119163917.00c64a00@sacraves.org> X-Sender: solr@sacraves.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:39:17 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: BSP? In-Reply-To: <19971116.100223.7598.6.drek1@juno.com> References: <971118181310_1980466620@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk well, as long as people are posting thier sites.. and asking for imput... http://www.sacraves.org let me know.. i work my butt off, so don't have too much time to work on it.. but it's coming together slowly... redid the graphics... well, i spend most of my time with redoing graphics... just threw these together. peace, -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 00:47:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28361 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 00:47:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 28353 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:46:58 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:46:58 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA00887 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:46:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971119164805.0069a11c@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:48:05 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: VespaRaver Subject: Fwd: kisses from me!!!!!!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk A KISS FOR EVERYONE FROM VESPARAVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "Lindsey Clark" ,.-'Y _^-, ,.-'^H E ,-^ ^-,\ ,.-'^ R S ,.-^ \| \ H E ,.-^ k \,.-^ i ss kis skiss kissk isskiss kisskisskis skisskisskisski sskisskisskisskissk isskisskisskisskisskiss kisskisskisskisskisskisskis skisskisskisskisskisskisskisskiss kisskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskissk isskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskiss kisskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskis skisskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskiss Roses are red, Violets are blue, A friend of yours Is thinking of you . *smile* This is the start of a cyber kissathon...SMOOOOOOOCH...pass it along and kiss as many people as you can :) (it is even ok to send it back to the person who sent it to you) LUV YA MY FRIENDS ================================================= ************************************************* "Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 00:52:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 356 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 00:52:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 348 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:52:12 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:52:12 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-204.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.204]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id QAA22413 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:52:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34738AA3.123C@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:56:03 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-shel silverstein References: <971119185944_1946698894@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk NinaAni@aol.com wrote: > > I will not play Tug O' War, > I'd rather play Hug O' War; > Where everyone hugs, instead of tugs, > And everyone giggles and rolls on the rug. > Where everyone kisses, > and everyone grins; > everyone cuddles, > and everyone wins. > -shel silverstein Who is shel silverstein and where can i read more of this? ><{{{"> <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 00:59:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2818 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 00:59:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 2807 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:59:45 -0000 Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:59:45 -0000 Received: (from jasonelee@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TQM09023; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:35:58 EST To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu, SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:34:54 -0800 Subject: This is to you.... Message-ID: <19971119.163455.6191.1.jasonelee@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-10,13-14,16-24 From: jasonelee@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I want to assure everyone that had replied to my mix tape offer that its on its way..... BUT... due to the overwhelming response.... some might be recieving them a wee bit later... I promise that everyone will get one..... if you had not replied or if you did there are still mix tapes available to those who want them,.. Send me: a)Name b)Address(full) 1:) they are FREE! I don't want your money or your Postage, My purpose is to share something I love very dearly and my tapes will ALLWAYS be free to those who want them. 2:) I will be spinning in Los Angeles on December 19th.... there is more information about this at www.djmike.com/promomag in the events area. for those that have their tapes on the way......... share....... ;) Peace I love you ALL very much! Jason PS - There will be a new recording on http://www.djmike.com/promomag be sure to check it out whenever you get a chance. Thanks again! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 01:13:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7043 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 01:13:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 7033 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 01:13:43 -0000 Received: from gateway.mpath.com (204.242.182.129) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 01:13:43 -0000 Received: from mpath.com (nodserv.mpath.com [206.233.214.16]) by gateway.mpath.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22156; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (vision@localhost) by mpath.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA13758; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:13:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:13:36 -0800 (PST) From: Max Vision Reply-To: Max Vision To: Darrel Etter cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: I totally agree. Re: Review:Moby/JunoReactor (longish) In-Reply-To: <9711192357.AA12253@granite.caere.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I liked the earplugs as well. Moby sold out. His originals are SOOO BEAUTIFUL, but this was a pathetic mockery. Also, the edge was a nasty venue. Max On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Darrel Etter wrote: > > Review: Moby and JunoReactor at the Edge in Palo Alto, Nov.18,1997 > > Summary Good Points: KOME earplugs, Moby standing on his keyboard, DJ > Matt Mau. > > Summary Bad Points: lame performances, what's the point? > > > Intro: JunoReactor was a big influence for me toward trance. I really thought they were great a couple of years ago. I think their tracks are very well crafted. I was never into Moby. > > I don't know when I'll learn. If an electronic dance music artist says > something like "I don't want the audience to just have to watch some > dweebs hidden behind a thousand synths, I want them to enjoy a > performance", I should know it's gonna be shitty music, and a corny > performance. Moby had some reviews in Metro and Eye that said > something simular to that. But I expected Juno Reactor to have more > integrity. So, JunoReactor mostly hid behind his synths (mixer, > laptop, moog rogue, and racks of stuff is all I saw) like a proper > dance musician, but he had to do somthing corny. So he had four fake > JuJu African musicians dancing, pretending to play pseudo-African > instruments, doing acrobats, and yelping. The only sounds they were > making that were being adaquatly mic'd were the yelpings. > > Now don't get me wrong. If JunoReactor had actually integrated his > tracks into some kind of Juju music, like King Sunny Ade type stuff, > THAT WOULD BE AWESOME! I love juju. Anyone without King Sunny Ade in > their music collection is truley deprived. This was not the case. It > was a fake show with poor sound reinforcement. One track that I > recognized off of Beyond the Infinite came off sounding muted and not > properly mixed for the house, and the juju gentlemen obviously didn't > even know the track because they would play in the quiet spots, and > miss the bridges, etc. WEAK! > > In between the acts, DJ Matt Mau spun some vinyl. It was nice tasty > funky techno stuff. I could feel it in my legs, and I started to dance > a bit, even in the rock concert type atmosphere. Thanks for that! I'll > have to check out Rythm Music in San Jose for this reason. > > Then moby came on with a big dramtic build up and a rock concert show > style. Ok, say you and your buddies are hanging out in your friends > garage with a drum set, guitar, bass, and latin percussion setup. You > guys are in a speed metal band and you're fooling around. So, you hook > a CD player up to your PA system, slide in a Moby CD cira '92, and you > all start to play along with it. THAT is what it sounded like, because > THAT is what it was!! True, the drummer was excellent, Moby plays a > wicked speed metal guitar, but SO WHAT! You know how you go to a rave, > or a Sunset party, and there is a guy with a drum set setup playing > along with the tracks. I always try to get away from those drummers > because they totally ruin the sound. MOBY MADE MOBY SOUND BAD! What's > the point? > > I repeat. Moby was not playing Moby's music. Moby was playing guitar > band stuff on top of Moby's old tracks. WEAK!!! > > The only part of Moby's show I liked was when Moby stood on top of his > keyboard (a Yamaha SY85 synth which he hardly played). I've never seen > anyone stand on a keyboard before. One point for Yamaha for creating > such a durable keyboard. > > It's shows like this that really make me appriciate local electronic > acts of the past years. These guys could learn so much from guys like > FREAKY CHAKRA and ASTRAL MATRIX. They are pros, they are honest, > giving, real musicians who work hard to do a live show, and it sounds > that way. Moby and JunoReactor are stupid sluts. I went to support > them for what they've done in the past, but if they're going to pull > of stuff like that, screw'em. > > OTHER RANTS: What's up with English acts always having tremendously > bright lites shinig from the stage to the audience. I hate that! Are > we supposed to be scared? Are they trying to burn out our eyes so we > don't see how old and ugly they are? > > BEST PERFORMANCE: KOME handed out free earplugs before the show. Thank > you, you've changed my opinion of you with that one simple move. > > =Darrel > darrele@caere.com > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 01:15:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7881 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 01:15:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 7866 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 01:15:32 -0000 Received: from norway-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO norway.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.49) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 01:15:32 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (1Cust178.tnt4.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.12.178]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20780 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:15:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3472E6E4.4B760B01@earthlink.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:17:25 -0800 From: Andrew Rudkosky X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NEW UPDATE ON RAV PAGE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C807FF8958AD756DC04D0E8B" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk --------------C807FF8958AD756DC04D0E8B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please check this site out:[Image] --------------C807FF8958AD756DC04D0E8B Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------F0C59547BD2C650E5B856120" --------------F0C59547BD2C650E5B856120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please check this site out:
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jazz.citiscape.com (206.40.4.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 01:35:45 -0000 Received: from citiscape.com by jazz.citiscape.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id RAA05769; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:37:25 -0800 Message-ID: <34732400.9F1C784C@citiscape.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:38:30 +0000 From: Robert Pointer Reply-To: rwpointer@citiscape.com Organization: CITISCAPE Media Design, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Question about the DJM-500 CD mixer series - NRR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Anyone who has the knowledge about these things, I just got the 500 series mixer by pioneer with the pitchable CD players and I'm missing the control wire that you plug in to the back of the mixer from the CD player to allow the cross-fader to control the "play" function of the CD player. Anybody know where I can buy a couple of these wires? Thanks in advance, rob. http://www.citizenmag.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 01:37:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13040 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 01:37:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 13032 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 01:37:15 -0000 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (128.32.206.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 01:37:15 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00459; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:37:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971119173417.0075d0d0@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:34:26 -0800 To: darrele@caere.com (Darrel Etter), sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: Re: Review:Moby/JunoReactor (longish) Cc: darrele@caere.com (Darrel Etter) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 03:57 PM 11/19/97 -0800, Darrel Etter wrote: >You know how you go to a rave, >or a Sunset party, and there is a guy with a drum set setup playing >along with the tracks. I always try to get away from those drummers >because they totally ruin the sound. i have to disagree. earlier this summer i went to one of the Smaller parties down in L.A. (Smaller #8, i believe)...they had two drummers accompanying somebody (Huggie, maybe?) spinning trance. they were totally spot-on, their analog rhythm perfectly complementing that of the digital. i was quite impressed and i regret that i did not find out who they were so that i could see them at other events. the moral of the story is, it's not live drummers who make bad techno, it's bad drummers who make bad techno. ------------------------------- "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 01:37:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13557 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 01:37:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 13549 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 01:37:27 -0000 Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 01:37:27 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id RAA12052 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:35:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3473968D.EF7DCC52@best.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:46:53 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: Weekend Review!!!! =))) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Wonder was cool, although I hate the location with a passion now! =) too hot, poor ventilation, small rooms, fire hazard, and the weirdest part is... well the location is used as some kind of music studio, and there were still people using the studio, so as the night progressed, people came outta the rooms with their equiptment and crap. All in all though, the party was pretty good! =) Will definately go to the next WONDER. Now, Saturday night! HOLY SHIT!!!! VIBERATION KICKED SOOOOOOO MUCH FUCKIN' ASS!!!!!!!! Could of been the best location I've ever been to, beautiful setup, awesome sets all night, perfect size location/crowd/etc.etc., I'd say everything was perfect! Probably the best party I've ever been to! Nah, it was the best party I've ever been to! Incredible music, people, location, everything! I was so so happy, the only time I remember being so happy was the first time I went to a rave. What I think really makes a party, is the attitudes of the people throwing the party, and the people involved. Check this out... the cops tried to break up the party, they told one of the guys throwing the party (hi terry!=)), "shut this party down now or we'll fine you!", guess what Terry said? "FINE ME!!!". Now that's fuckin' underground!!! =) That party totally push my reset button too! When I first started partying, I loved it!!! I was like supervibeyhappyuppitynewbieraverboy! I go every weekend, and I guess it just became the usual thing... I started crashing out early at parties.... didn't really go sober much anymore, blah blah blah. This last weekend pushed my reset button, I totally feel like I did when I first started! Nothing can top that! =) There's so much more to say, but no time, so I go byebye now! But first, thanx to everyone who played a part leading up to that night, from my first party 'till now. all the underground crews, new friends and family, and especially Paula, cause if it wasn't for me meeting her at my first party, I dunno where I'd be, now, or even if I would of made it this far. =) luv ya'll like a squirrel luvs NUTS, jer! =) desperately awaiting the next... ps. hey danny.... how's the thinking process going? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 01:39:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14659 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 01:39:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 14649 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 01:39:10 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 01:39:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (andy@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA07230; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:39:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:39:11 -0800 (PST) From: AndyW X-Sender: andy@atari To: foolish_fish1@juno.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers In-Reply-To: <19971119.123530.6423.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The following is an unfocused rambling in response to a regularly repeating thread about throwing a *drug free party*. It is not intended to convince anyone to take drugs, but rather makes arguements based on my personal experience against imposing arbitrary limits on behavior at raves that should probably be personal choice (and have already been made illegal by the law of the land, who have guns and jails, I don't see a promoter having much more influence, shy of kicking your butt to the curb all high and stuff). Raves are, to a lot of people about freedom, and it seems your very interested in outlining what people CAN'T do at this upcoming hypothetical event. I don't do half the stuff available at parties, but my freedom to drink a beer is your freedom to not be a good catholic is her freedom to snort speed is their freedom to conga train is his freedom to be frying his ass off is our freedom to rave. Drugs are a catalyst. Music is a catalyst. Reduced inhibitions are a catalyst. Clothes are a catalyst. Cliques are a catalyst. Spaces are a catalyst. Energy is a catalyst. For what? I don't know >yet<. We can invite the same people to a building with the same things going on and get a different event everytime. There's these thoughts that I invision when I get ready for a set or a party. I want people to feel truly relieved, or truly excited. We have all these experiences, like our first intimate moments, our graduation, our first child... we've lived them all vicariously through this little box in the corner of our living rooms... we are SO jaded with the experiences of others, but we have not truly lived them. So many of us walk around mumbling about a world where everything is old hat... and then somebody puts a pill in your mouth, puts on some loud music and tells you to be anything you want. No amount of research really prepares you for how utterly personal that moment is. It can not be expressed, and opens many people up to a more open means of viewing the world. It is more amazing for some than for others, and I honestly feel that it is a lot more powerful than we give it credit for. I've been shot at, made good amounts of money, been in car accidents, but somehow, there's this moment I keep trying to go back to that is up there in personal gravity with maybe my first real kiss, a memory of my mom making me milk and honey after I got sent home from kindergarden for not being able to speak English, and the day I realized I did not respect my father a whole lot, not because of age or generations or our relationship but because of his motives and what growing up during a tragic war had done to him and his ability to love and trust people. My first GOOD rave experience tore away a certain fear and cynicism from me, and yes, I will be honest, drugs were involved... but no side effect could ever make me want to make that moment go away. It's not like drugs tore down a wall within me, it's like the wall taught me why it was there and then gracefully allowed my to see the world without it. I believe it is possible without drugs, but this should be by choice, not by proxy. There is something about a vibe of craziness and irresponsiblity and mystery and fear that drugs tend to play a large part in that makes amazing things happen. In the shifting of the shadows as we stare into a beautiful friend's eyes, we see them turn old and young and back again, their smile seems to be a shout when it once was a subtle whisper. Are drugs required, I don't think so, but I can't assume anyone is at that point and decide for them. I know sometimes I sure as hell FEEL like I'm on drugs (did anybody see me after my set at Wonder... I looked like I was on E, I felt like I was on E, but all I'd had was three waters and a smoke), simply because a past experience has taught me that such a place exists, and that I am welcome back anytime because I learned how to store that key in my heart and mind. I don't want to say that drugs are vital or important, but I can't say we shouldn't have them. We have been conditioned all our lives to percieve things in a very scientific and absolute way, yet almost all our sciences are severing from that... and have been for some time. By changing our point of reference, we can observe the same event many ways, and this is, in many ways a key to the joy to be found at a rave. The whole idea of observation without feedback has been so ingrained in our heads... there is nothing we can do about the news, there is nothing we can do to change the way this episode of I Love Lucy ends... but we now think of a differnt world... a world where everything affects everything else... the camera IS an entity, there is no such things as an invisible observer, and every person on the floor changes the way the lights work, the way the DJ spins, and the movement of air through a small passage at the back of the building where a spider is waiting for what could be a fly or another lintball in the web she spent hours repairing. We all affect everything, and that is beautiful. Drugs are dangerous, mysterious, scary, illegal, unknown, unpredictable, unsafe, magical, chemical, natural, ambrosia and poison. They should not play a major part in your life, you should proceed carefully and progressively when you choose to do them, and you should always take the time to write down what they have done for you. Proceed with caution, drugs can put you in spaces that NO OTHER EXPERIENCE YOU LIVE THROUGH EVER WILL (that I've experienced), and some people don't come back from that the same... some better, some worse, some different. If you choose to use, be informed, careful, and understanding of those who choose otherwise. If you choose not to use, you're probably going to live a little longer, and please be understanding of those who choose otherwise. Peace, AndyW p.s. This, for legal purposes, the above is an excerpt from a fictional passage in a yet unwritten book, and not intended to help convince people to do anything illegal or unhealthy. p.p.s. Massive props to people who back up local artists in the scene... the ups to Astral Matrix/Freaky Chakra post was badass and long overdue. I honestly think we have better stuff coming out of SF's basements and spare rooms than some of the best studios in the world. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 01:40:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15241 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 01:40:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 15224 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 01:40:02 -0000 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net (207.93.14.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 01:40:02 -0000 Received: from [207.93.14.13] ([207.93.14.13] verified) by tapeheads.ednet.net (Stalker SMTP Server 1.5) with ESMTP id S.0000013494; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:39:35 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:40:22 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Joe Rice Subject: (bsp) the kitchen sink Cc: dhchung@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk the kitchen sink please join us this week before we take a break for the Thanksgiving holiday... Thursday, November 20, 1997 DJs this week: Honey B (jungle love) Monty (resident) Joe Rice (resident) Location: downstairs at Blake's 2367 Telegraph @ Durant - Berkeley Dirt: 9:30p-2:00a - 18+ w/ID - full bar - $2.00 before 10p, $4.00 after. RealAudio of past sets and more info on our web site: http://www.justiceleague.com/ks/ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 01:44:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16602 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 01:44:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 16593 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 01:44:50 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 01:44:50 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id RAA27593 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [169.233.12.105] by cats-po-1 (8.8.8/4.8) id RAA25165; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:44:46 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ptrrabbt@cats-po-1.ucsc.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34738AA3.123C@pacbell.net> References: <971119185944_1946698894@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:44:33 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: PeterRabbit Subject: Re: OCR-shel silverstein Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >NinaAni@aol.com wrote: >> >> I will not play Tug O' War, >> I'd rather play Hug O' War; >> Where everyone hugs, instead of tugs, >> And everyone giggles and rolls on the rug. >> Where everyone kisses, >> and everyone grins; >> everyone cuddles, >> and everyone wins. >> -shel silverstein > >Who is shel silverstein and where can i read more of this? > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< he's a childrens book author (though his stuff can be appreciated by all, similar to Dr seuss) you can probably find him at most any new bookstore, like waldens books etc... one of his more popular books is entitled "where the sidewalk ends". very cool. enjoy! -=PeterRabbit=- NoEvol(loveOn) prod.,LuvTribe, RTD From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 01:46:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17208 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 01:46:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 17200 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 01:46:08 -0000 Received: from muspelheim.pc.cs.cmu.edu (HELO avalon.slackers.net) (skoop@128.2.204.80) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 01:46:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (skoop@localhost) by avalon.slackers.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA27796 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:46:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:46:25 -0500 (EST) From: jimg/skoop To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: Review:Moby/JunoReactor (longish) In-Reply-To: <19971120011541.8206.qmail@hyperreal.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk darrele@caere.com wrote: > I don't know when I'll learn. If an electronic dance music artist says > something like "I don't want the audience to just have to watch some > dweebs hidden behind a thousand synths, I want them to enjoy a > performance", I should know it's gonna be shitty music, and a corny > performance. Moby had some reviews in Metro and Eye that said > something simular to that. That's pretty funny...and true I bet. From what I've heard, orbital, chem bros, aphex, autechre, etc. don't do anything but play (well, aphex has the bears)...let the music speak for itself. > But I expected Juno Reactor to have more > integrity. So, JunoReactor mostly hid behind his synths (mixer, > laptop, moog rogue, and racks of stuff is all I saw) like a proper > dance musician, but he had to do somthing corny. So he had four fake > JuJu African musicians dancing, pretending to play pseudo-African > instruments, doing acrobats, and yelping. The only sounds they were > making that were being adaquatly mic'd were the yelpings. Right. I didn't see the other gear you mentioned...but I was way off to stage left,close to the side bar, so the speaker stacks must've obscured my view. I thought it was pretty funny when the 4 tribesmen started blowing into those horns, and you heard it, but they weren't anywhere NEAR any microphones.... > Then moby came on with a big dramtic build up and a rock concert show > style. Ok, say you and your buddies are hanging out in your friends > garage with a drum set, guitar, bass, and latin percussion setup. You > guys are in a speed metal band and you're fooling around. So, you hook > a CD player up to your PA system, slide in a Moby CD cira '92, and you > all start to play along with it. THAT is what it sounded like, because > THAT is what it was!! True, the drummer was excellent, Moby plays a > wicked speed metal guitar, but SO WHAT! You know how you go to a rave, Yeah, exactly. I actually walked over to the soundboard to see if I could see a dat running...there was one, but since the counter wasn't running, I guess they had the thing on stage. > The only part of Moby's show I liked was when Moby stood on top of his > keyboard (a Yamaha SY85 synth which he hardly played). I've never seen > anyone stand on a keyboard before. One point for Yamaha for creating > such a durable keyboard. Yeah, and no notes sounded! what did he do..turn the thing down before he planned to stand on it? And, I couldn't tell...were there midi/power/sound cords even plugged into it? > It's shows like this that really make me appriciate local electronic > acts of the past years. These guys could learn so much from guys like > FREAKY CHAKRA and ASTRAL MATRIX. They are pros, they are honest, YEAYEAYEA! When is Freaky Chakra gonna play out again? He's from around here, right? I've got "Freaky Chakra vs. Single Cell Orchestra" and that disc rocks...I wanna hear that kind of shit live...but where/when? Those two guys actually came to pittsburgh when I lived there, and opened up for Meat Beat Manifesto, but I didn't go because they weren't on the bill...from what I heard, NO ONE there got it, or knew who they were. I was crushed... > giving, real musicians who work hard to do a live show, and it sounds > that way. Moby and JunoReactor are stupid sluts. I went to support > them for what they've done in the past, but if they're going to pull > of stuff like that, screw'em. Anybody go to the last Glad Hand? There were supposedly local live acts there...I wanted to go but had car problems/no-one to go with... > BEST PERFORMANCE: KOME handed out free earplugs before the show. Thank yeah that was cool but I brought my own (have tinnitus a bit). "and here's yet another classic old tune that starts with a kick drum"...LOL! -jimg --skoop@slackers.net --http://www.slackers.net/~skoop From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 01:57:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19838 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 01:57:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 19830 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 01:57:04 -0000 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 01:57:04 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id RAA02735; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:57:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:57:02 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Spencer!!! To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey, I tried to post from another account, but I don't think it went through so here you go (possibly again): Spencer (the guy who threw Warmth) is going ot be on Third Rock from the Sun tonight!! He's taking over the lead role because John Lithgow quit! Just kidding. He's actually an usher in a theater, so set up your VCRs, check the TV guide and get that Spencer tape in there and be sure not to record over any of his other recent performances! :D From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 02:01:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21410 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 02:01:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 21402 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 02:01:45 -0000 Received: from liberty6.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.166) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 02:01:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 7841 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 1997 02:00:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19971120020051.7840.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.165.108.10 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:00:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.165.108.10] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: "Playground" Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:00:48 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello Folks, Due to certain broken promises and the fact that we REALLY despise the location, the Psychophunk crew has decided to postpone "Playground" to a later date. But let me just inform you all right now... THIS PARTY WILL STILL HAPPEN, and it will GO OFF :)!!! We just realized that packing you all in an over-crowded, over-heated venue, only to sit on your butts all night becuase you are to hot and sweaty to dance just wouldn't be toO cool of a thing to do. And besides, we want all of you to get the chance to experience this wonderful event :) SO STAY TUNED!!! ************************************************************* Stay Cool! /////// /// /// /////// ////// ////// /////// /////// /// /// /// /// // /// / // /// /// // /// /// /// /// // /////\ ////// /// /// // /// /// /// /////// /// \\ // /////// /////// tm. Matthew A. Schwartz -Matt...the other one- "If the beats were matched, and the levels were just right... these records might actually sound good together!" ************************************************************* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 02:05:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22400 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 02:05:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 22392 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 02:05:46 -0000 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 02:05:46 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id SAA04772; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:05:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Sober raving (was: OCR...) To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I've really been wanting to put together a few parties and on the flyers have some kind of tagline that says "This is a sober event, please don't bring in drugs, thanks." or something like that. Now, I have nothing against drugs as many of you can attest to from first-hand experience. But as I go out and look around, I notice a lot of the folks who are just entering the scene getting swept up in the drug end of things and often missing the point of enjoying the loud music and the chance to see your freaky friends. I don't think all raves should be drug free (a free drug rave would be cool, though!), but I think that it would be really nice to have a couple of smallish parties (like maybe 200 people) with good music, nice visuals, smart drinks, etc. etc. etc. and not have to worry about the drug thing for just one night, ya know? I think that it would be really fun! I rave sober a lot down here, as I drive myself most places I go and I can't drive after a good eXperience. And you know what? I still have tons of fun! It kinda gets to you when you come ot from behind the decks and some 15 year old kid come up to you baked outta their mind and tells you how great your set was n'stuff... Not that I have anything against fifteen-year-old kids, but I think, "Man, when I was fifteen, I was all worried about school n'stuff and I was freaked out about what was going to happen as I continued to grow up and this and that..." and I remember that it was a lot to deal with sober! Add to that the mania of the Scene and drugs! I dunno. Maybe the kids today are of a stronger stock than the kids of my day. Drug use is a personal choice, and I wouldn't want to make anyone's decisions for them. But a party is also, in the most technical sense, a private affair and the host has the right to lay down a few groundrules. And if I saw a flyer with a good lineup, a good location, smart drinks, etc. etc. and then noticed it said, "Hey and by the way, let's do this one sober, okay?" I wouldn't just toss the thing down and say, "Well if I can't have my drugs than I'm not going!" But there are a lot of people in the Scene that would. That's the part that worries me. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 02:24:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25661 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 02:24:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 25646 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 02:24:16 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 02:24:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19971120021832.23418.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [153.35.239.191] by web1; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:18:32 PST Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:18:32 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: Re: failed delivery To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk OK SO MAYBE i'M TO HYPER TO TYPE CORRECTLY-LETS TRY AGAIN ---MAILER-DAEMON@rocketmail.com wrote: > > Message from rocketmail.com. > Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). > > : > Sorry, I couldn't find any host named hypperreal.org. (#5.1.2) > > --- Original message follows. > > Return-Path: > Message-ID: <19971119224816.18873.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> > Received: from [153.35.242.16] by web2; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:48:16 PST > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:48:16 -0800 (PST) > From: pj fuzzy > Subject: Re: review: Juno Reactor and Moby at the Edge > To: "Wayne D. Correia" > Cc: sfraves@hypperreal.org > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Oh god, > you mean he is still doing that jesus on the > turntables motif. > > I saw him three years ago. He was notable only > because my hometown, Chapel Hill, is notably weak on > the techno-rave scene. But the granstanding he did > at the end of his show was irritable. > > The one great thing about party culture is that, > while the dj, is a respected member of the party, he > remains mostly invisible, which removes a focal point > and allows one to feel like one is equally > participating in the event. This is more rewarding > to me than attending joe-average rock concert where > your there to feed the bands ego- they got to be > really awsome to make me do that. > > pj fuzzy > > > > ---"Wayne D. Correia" wrote: > > > > Well, what can I say; techno and a mixed typical > south bay crowd mixed with > > a *few* ravers at the Edge. Real continuous beat > music from Matt Mau in > > between and after the shows. Who would have figured. > > > > Juno Reactor rocked. Tribal techno/trance. Too bad > that the crowd did not > > at all get it. Who could have expected them to? I > danced though. > > > > Moby, as usual, sucked. He's still beating the drum > to the same old dreck > > he was spewing in 1991 , up to and including his > stale "Jesus standing on > > the keyboard" routine that he does "fastest song in > the world." At least > > this time he didn't take his jeans off. Moby: next > time, stay home and > > spare us the agony. Clue: New material needed. > > > > ps: Moby also slammed the Big Top tour that he > performed at here earlier > > this year. He sucked there, too. I have it on DAT > to prove it. :-) > > > > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 02:26:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26473 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 02:26:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 26457 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from cammy.ecom.net (207.13.224.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from Booger.snot.de [207.155.73.167] by cammy.ecom.net (SMTPD32-4.02) id A0BBAB0068; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:30:19 PST Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971120022820.006e993c@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: tpepper@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:28:20 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves-digest@hyperreal.org From: Timothy Charles Pepper Subject: Re: Moby at the Edge Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was really stoked to see Moby at Big Top. After hearing about his show at the Edge my perception is really different. I actually thought at Big Top that he was really into what he was doing right then and there on stage, and that's why he was all over the stage and on top of his keyboard. I guess it's all just a canned show he puts on. The description of the sound..most of it seeming to be played back, despite the live musicians there..that's about how he was at Big Top too. Regardless of genre, I tend to be disappointed with most bands live. They tend to get sloppy. Maybe if you're an electronic artist and sloppy live you think you can cover it up by playing background music and having that mixed up above the live portions and just hope that nobody notices? ************************************************************ * tpepper@farad.elee.calpoly.edu * Venimus, Vidimus, * * http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~tpepper * Dolavimus * ************************************************************ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 02:26:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26556 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 02:26:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 26462 invoked by alias); 20 Nov 1997 02:26:27 -0000 Delivered-To: sfraves-digest@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26457 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from cammy.ecom.net (207.13.224.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from Booger.snot.de [207.155.73.167] by cammy.ecom.net (SMTPD32-4.02) id A0BBAB0068; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:30:19 PST Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971120022820.006e993c@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: tpepper@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:28:20 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves-digest@hyperreal.org From: Timothy Charles Pepper Subject: Re: Moby at the Edge Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was really stoked to see Moby at Big Top. After hearing about his show at the Edge my perception is really different. I actually thought at Big Top that he was really into what he was doing right then and there on stage, and that's why he was all over the stage and on top of his keyboard. I guess it's all just a canned show he puts on. The description of the sound..most of it seeming to be played back, despite the live musicians there..that's about how he was at Big Top too. Regardless of genre, I tend to be disappointed with most bands live. They tend to get sloppy. Maybe if you're an electronic artist and sloppy live you think you can cover it up by playing background music and having that mixed up above the live portions and just hope that nobody notices? ************************************************************ * tpepper@farad.elee.calpoly.edu * Venimus, Vidimus, * * http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~tpepper * Dolavimus * ************************************************************ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 02:39:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29966 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 02:39:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 29958 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 02:39:30 -0000 Received: from galaxy.galstar.com (anarchy@204.251.80.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 02:39:30 -0000 Received: (from anarchy@localhost) by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA29580 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:39:28 -0600 (CST) From: "U.A.A." Message-Id: <199711200239.UAA29580@galaxy.galstar.com> Subject: Sunday morn with danny and jer To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:39:28 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk it all started out (actually the party ended) and it was time to clean up. There weren't alot of people left to clean but you know it had to be done. I looked around and saw jer and danny and a few others and thought okay I just need my feet to stop hurting and with some help we can clean up. Well the situation arose that we needed a truck and Jer was there so I asked he said sure and it turns out he had a shell on his truck. Bonus seeing how it was raining. So time comes for us to call upon jer only to find that he isn't there. Ack david made due without it but I have never seen a rabbit so loaded before in my life. Talk about bass in the trunk. Anyways the morning goes on and so does cleaning. A certain person starts to freak cuz jeremy has been gone a while and he was her ride home. Someone remebers jer saying that he was going to take someguy home (aka the naked guy) and so we all thought thats where they had run off too. Around 10 something here comes danny and jer stumbling into the room with the most confused yet happy faces. I smiled and asked where they had been for the past couple of hours. Jer replied "upstairs with that guy trying talking philosphy" They began to go through the conversations they had had and all the wierd thoughts and ideas that ran through their minds. It was great. I totally had been therebefore and I was almost envious cuz they got to share that moment together. ts nto that often that you truly feel like you grasp concepts and ideas that pertain to how you fit in with the rest of the universe and it is something to remember when you do. I want to send out a big thank you and hugs to jer and danny for all the smiles and conversations, thought and ideas in the morning thought I prolly didn't sound that interested at the time I really was listening I was jsut a bit exhausted. You two rock = ) Love, Herb From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 02:44:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1712 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 02:44:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 1704 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 02:44:23 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 02:44:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19971120024208.670.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [153.35.239.86] by web4; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:42:08 PST Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:42:08 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: Re: wHY IS everyone weAkend??/Feelings about the scene To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk YEAH i AGREE- i GIVE UP TRYING TO ESTABLISH ANY LONG-LASTING FRIEND SHIPS AT A RAVE, BUT I DONT HOLD ANYONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. Parties are such dynamic creatures that it is well nigh impossible to have any meaningful interaction at them. One competes not only with the drugs, but the pounding beats, and a sea of people all in motion. Sometimes one can find an eddy in this sea where the noise and movement is minimal(the chillout room) and one can meet someone new. In general I just forget trying to meet people and enjoy myself dancing and acting goofy. pjfzzy ---Derek J Fieldsoe wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:33:43 -0500 (EST) TeKnODiVa@aol.com writes: > > >Hey.. I like to meet people and I just happen to be someone who can't > >remember names for shit. It takes a long time for me to get them to > >stick in > >my head. > > Maybe I'm using a bad example here seeing as hella people have written > back to me saying that it's a common thing. I too admit that I forget > names so I should have thought more before I typed it. > > But basically the point is that there is so much, shall I say, false > admiration at parties lately. I mean, if someone appears so delighted to > meet you, then how come they never call back later on when you call them > to see if they want to hang out or something. Or when you are walking > around at the party later that night and you see the same person again. > Now forget about names for a minute but what happens when they give you > this look like, "uhhh, leave me alone." I don't know. Just > observations. I've given up basically all hope of going through the > process of making friends while at a party. The only way I'm going to > become a good friend with anyone in the scene is if I hang out with that > person fairly often outside of parties. For example, Bryon. I met him > in June and hung out with him for like two weeks or so before we ever > went to a party together. Me and him are bestest friends now. I would > love to meet all of you on the list but if I do, it's going to have to be > at a coffee shop or record store and not at a meeting spot at midnight in > front of the jungle decks. If any of you would like to get to know me > and hang out with me, just give me a page. I live in Castro Valley which > is next to Hayward and I'm a super nice guy. > > So my pager is waiting to vibrate like little cells dancing in Brownian > motion ( little inside joke for science nerds......don't get me wrong, I > love science but I'm not a geek.) > > dErEk For anyone who wants to know me outside the scene pgr- > 510-561-2647 > > > I'll talk to guys later. > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 03:23:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6739 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 03:23:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 6729 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 03:23:49 -0000 Received: from linex1.linex.com (HELO relay.linex.net) (199.4.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 03:23:49 -0000 Received: from linex4.linex.com (linex4.linex.com [206.54.38.14]) by relay.linex.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA23403; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from linex.linex.com by linex4.linex.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA02223; Wed, 19 Nov 97 19:21:51 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:23:31 -0800 (PST) From: aminita To: Andrew Rudkosky Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: i fucked up again... In-Reply-To: <347230E9.DA5AB280@earthlink.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I like the set up...lookin good! Can't wait to see the pics and hear the music. aminita :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 03:30:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7851 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 03:30:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 7842 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 03:30:39 -0000 Received: from f11.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 03:30:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 5485 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 1997 03:30:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19971120033010.5484.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.13.118.67 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:30:10 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.13.118.67] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, unclenoa@netcom.com Subject: Re: Sober raving (was: OCR...) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:30:10 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Whats considered a drug.. i remember from 6th grade my dare officer told us it was "any substance other than food or drink that alters the way your mind and body work..." so.. like toothpaste is a drug...coffe.... at this "drug free party" are cigarettes allowed.... cause im doen for smoke-free :) ill just hit my bong before i come in :) peace Philly disordr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 03:46:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12285 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 03:46:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 12277 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 03:46:56 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 03:46:56 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-207-214-209-88.snfc21.pacbell.net [207.214.209.88]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA08633 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:46:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3473B1FB.25D0@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:43:55 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk It seems i need to clarify my point here about drugs. I wasnt saying that you shouldnt take drugs or in anyway condemming there use or those that use them. They can be very beneficial. This thread started out talking about _Abuse_and that was what i was responding to. I do not drink or use drugs and i go to raves for other reasons. I realize that for some drugs are what raving is all about and i knew i would get flamed for suggesting that raves might be used for something beside getting wasted. We all have different things we like and dislike and i happen to like partys that are drug free. im not saying they are better or that im better because of this. I also believe that promoters do have some effect on the behavior because they are the ones that create the environment. I know some go to certain partys because they know that producer sells good drugs or some like myself go to other partys because i know the focus is on something different...not better, just different. Different types of music attracts different types of people, and massives vs UG draws different people, and different crews draw different types, so do things like the use or non use of drugs draw different types. Look at the recent flame wars about certain promoters just being in it for the money...they draw different crowds than those that have other motives. Im not trying to put anyone down or tell anyone what to do. Im simply telling you what i like in hopes of finding kindred spirits. And i often party with many of you while you are flying and i enjoy and respect you all, unless you are overdoing it and creating problems or od-ing. Sometimes i just like the incredible feeling i experience at drug free events. I love diversity but i also enjoy those that have similar beliefs sometimes. Have a fun day ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish ps...thanks to all who responded to the silverstein question. I am definately going to the childrens store tommorrow. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 03:57:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15199 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 03:56:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15191 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 03:56:55 -0000 Received: from linex1.linex.com (HELO relay.linex.net) (199.4.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 03:56:55 -0000 Received: from linex4.linex.com (linex4.linex.com [206.54.38.14]) by relay.linex.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA24351 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from linex.linex.com by linex4.linex.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA02421; Wed, 19 Nov 97 19:55:00 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:56:40 -0800 (PST) From: aminita To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Let's help him out. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk THIS IS NOT A CHAIN LETTER... so please read all the way through :-) To whomever is receiving this message: After receiving countless forwards at school claiming that everyone in this world knows each other, I decided I wanted to try this theory myself, and use it as my thesis for my sociology class. The purpose of this experiment is to see how many e-mails I can receive from people whom I don't know, who are somehow are connected to people that I do know. I am also curious to see how many people actually continue to send this e-mail on. Please forward this to as many people as you know, and send it also to me at my school e-mail address. For example, if you sent it to Jon123@aol.com, Mike123@aol.com, and Chris123@aol.com...also send it to me at MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU. This is my address at school where I will be recording and tallying the results. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THE ADDRESS THAT SENT THIS MESSAGE TO YOU. Instead, please forward this message to all of your friends and send a copy to me at "MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU" Thanks again for your help with my sociology project. Those who write back to me will receive a COOL gift via e-mail. Please do not continue to forward this message after December 1,1997. Thanks. MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 04:19:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21368 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 04:19:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 21360 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 04:19:19 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 04:19:19 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-110.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.110]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id UAA20183 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:19:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3473B852.9E2@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:10:58 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: recent hard times Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk this is for those having a hard time...as i know several have been lately. A man found a cocoon of an emperor moth. He took it home so that he could watch the moth come out of the cocoon. On the day, a small opening appeared, he sat and watched the moth for several hours as the moth struggled to force its body through that little hole. Then it seemed to stop making any progress. It appeared as if it had gotten as far as it could go no farther. It just seemed to be stuck. Then the man, in his kindness, decided to help the moth, so he took a pair of scissors and snipped off the remaining bit of the cocoon. The moth then emerged easily. But it had a swollen body and small, shriveled wings. The man continued to watch the moth because he expected that, at any moment. the wings would enlarge and expand to be bale to support the body, which would contract in time. Neither happened! In fact, the little moth spent the rest of its life crawling around with a swollen body and shriveled wings. It never was able to fly. What the man in his kindness and haste did not understand was that the restricting cocoon and the struggle required for the moth to get through the tiny opening were a way of forcing fluid from the body of the moth into its wings so that it would be ready for flight once it achieved its freedom from the cocoon. Freedom and flight would only come after the struggle. By depriving the moth of a struggle, he deprived the moth of health. SOMETIMES STRUGGLES ARE EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED IN OUR LIFE. IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH OUR LIFE WITHOUT ANY OBSTACLES WOULD CRIPPLE US. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 04:20:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22134 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 04:20:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 22125 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 04:20:34 -0000 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (128.32.206.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 04:20:34 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA15458; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:20:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971119201711.007502bc@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:17:19 -0800 To: Noah Apodaca , "Ravers 'Round the Bay" From: josh sorkin Subject: Re: Sober raving (was: OCR...) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk YOU CAN'T REGULATE MORALITY and anybody who tries to is thinking quite dangerously because such things are value judgments. yeah i have seen some kids get really wasted on drugs and possibly to a dangerous point. but they know the risks. they have friends who got them into the scene and got them into the chemicals so they know exactly what's going on and they don't care because they want to have a good time. so let them have their good time. these are interesting times we live in and few experiences should be taboo just because they might be dangerous. you can't deny the influence that drugs have on the scene--they're enormously relevant and they are something to deal with and properly integrate, not to reject. "oh well too much drug use will give the scene a bad rep and then the authorities will crack down and..." the scene already has a rep. everybody who knows i'm a raver asks me for E all the time and want to know the inside scoop on the "all-night drug orgies". and cops bust parties all the time--that's nothing new. accept other people's personal choices. be responsible and other people will be too, 'cause setting an example is so powerful... what would it be like without drugs? i don't know...the straightedge people i know seem to have a good time (when they're not running around ripping cigarettes out of people's mouths and breaking them), but not a BETTER or WORSE time...just a different one. i've been substance-free for about two weeks now. but i'm not gonna tell anyone to do the same because you have to make that decision for yourself if it's going to have any binding strength. ------------------- "when they poured across the border, i was cautioned to surrender. this i could not do. i took my gun and vanished. "there were three of us this morning. i'm the only one this evening. but i must go on. the frontiers are my prison." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 04:55:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2392 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 04:55:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 2383 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 04:55:08 -0000 Received: from mail.crl.com (165.113.1.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 04:55:08 -0000 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id UAA26466; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:55:01 -0800 (PST) env-from (storpis@crl.com) Received: by crl.crl.com id AA05740 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:48:32 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199711200448.AA05740@crl.crl.com> Subject: Re: Review:Moby/JunoReactor (longish) To: darrele@caere.com (Darrel Etter) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:48:32 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, darrele@caere.com In-Reply-To: <9711192357.AA12253@granite.caere.com> from "Darrel Etter" at Nov 19, 97 03:57:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > I don't know when I'll learn. If an electronic dance music artist says > something like "I don't want the audience to just have to watch some > dweebs hidden behind a thousand synths, I want them to enjoy a > performance", I should know it's gonna be shitty music, and a corny > performance. Moby had some reviews in Metro and Eye that said You have obviously never been to a Chem Bros show: great music, shitty show. I think they should heed the advice quoted above. Just because an artist wants to deliver a better show does not mean the music will suck. That's just pessimism. > THAT is what it was!! True, the drummer was excellent, Moby plays a > wicked speed metal guitar, but SO WHAT! You know how you go to a rave, So what? So what? It wasn't your typical performance was it? It was different. Kind of like if Juno R. had KSA on stage with him right? > or a Sunset party, and there is a guy with a drum set setup playing > along with the tracks. I always try to get away from those drummers I can't believe this. I *love* when they do that. I don't see it nearly enough. Is there a regular occurence at Sunsets? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 05:08:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4908 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 05:08:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 4880 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 05:08:00 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 05:08:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id VAA01340; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:07:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:07:49 -0800 (PST) From: To: josh sorkin cc: Darrel Etter , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Review:Moby/JunoReactor (longish) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971119173417.0075d0d0@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, josh sorkin wrote: > At 03:57 PM 11/19/97 -0800, Darrel Etter wrote: > > >You know how you go to a rave, > >or a Sunset party, and there is a guy with a drum set setup playing > >along with the tracks. I always try to get away from those drummers > >because they totally ruin the sound. > > i have to disagree. earlier this summer i went to one of the Smaller > parties down in L.A. (Smaller #8, i believe)...they had two drummers > accompanying somebody (Huggie, maybe?) spinning trance. they were totally > spot-on, their analog rhythm perfectly complementing that of the digital. Of the several times I have heard such folks up here, I totally agree with the original poster. They are a distraction at best(unless specifically invited to accompany the DJ), a detriment to someone spinning at worst. Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 05:12:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7232 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 05:12:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 7223 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 05:12:35 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 05:12:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id VAA01745; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:10:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:10:59 -0800 (PST) From: To: AndyW cc: foolish_fish1@juno.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, AndyW wrote: > I don't do half the stuff available at parties, but my freedom to drink a > beer is your freedom to not be a good catholic is her freedom to snort > speed is their freedom to conga train is his freedom to be frying his ass > off is our freedom to rave. > > Drugs are a catalyst. Music is a catalyst. Reduced inhibitions are a > catalyst. Clothes are a catalyst. Cliques are a catalyst. Spaces are a > catalyst. Energy is a catalyst. The above is merely a cover for Andy's thinly-veiled message of "Get nekkid and enjoy life." ;-) Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 05:14:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8378 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 05:14:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 8370 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 05:14:46 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 05:14:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id VAA02215; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:14:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:14:44 -0800 (PST) From: To: aminita cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Let's help him out. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, aminita wrote: > > THIS IS NOT A CHAIN LETTER... so please read all the way through :-) No, it sounds more like a mail bomb. Please folks, don't pass this stuff around. You are really doing no one any favors.... Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 05:20:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9713 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 05:20:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 9703 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 05:20:28 -0000 Received: from f73.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.159) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 05:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 12753 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 1997 05:20:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19971120052001.12752.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.64.202 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:20:00 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.212.64.202] From: "Lindsey Clark" To: blkadder@value.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:20:00 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, AndyW wrote: > >> I don't do half the stuff available at parties, but my freedom to drink a >> beer is your freedom to not be a good catholic is her freedom to snort >> speed is their freedom to conga train is his freedom to be frying his ass >> off is our freedom to rave. >> >> Drugs are a catalyst. Music is a catalyst. Reduced inhibitions are a >> catalyst. Clothes are a catalyst. Cliques are a catalyst. Spaces are a >> catalyst. Energy is a catalyst. > >The above is merely a cover for Andy's thinly-veiled message of "Get >nekkid and enjoy life." ;-) > > Black Adder YEAH!! WHAT A PHILOSOPHY ON LIFE!!! I LOVE IT! -Lady Linz* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 05:27:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12231 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 05:27:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 12178 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 05:27:29 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 05:27:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id VAA03824; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:27:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:27:24 -0800 (PST) From: To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers In-Reply-To: <3473B1FB.25D0@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > It seems i need to clarify my point here about drugs. > > I wasnt saying that you shouldnt take drugs or in anyway > condemming there use or those that use them. > They can be very beneficial. > This thread started out talking about _Abuse_and that > was what i was responding to. People that don't know their own limits? Naw, I don't believe it. > I do not drink or use drugs and i go to raves for other reasons. > > I realize that for some drugs are what raving is all about > and i knew i would get flamed for suggesting that raves > might be used for something beside getting wasted. Do really feel that any response that you got was a flame? If so, you have *paper-thin* skin. Speaking for myself, while I do not agree with your wish for a party where peoples state of mind is dictated to them, I respect your right to wish for one, and others to have the same wish. Further, if you feel strongly about it, why not attempt to find a group of like-minded people and organize such an event? One of the great things about this scene is the DIY( do it yourself) spirit. > We all have different things we like and dislike and i happen > to like partys that are drug free. So why not organize one of your own? > im not saying they are better or that im better because of this. I also > believe that promoters do have some effect on the behavior because > they are the ones that create the environment. I know some go > to certain partys because they know that producer sells > good drugs or some like myself go to other partys because > i know the focus is on something different...not better, just different. You are contradiciting yourself. Your bias is clear. If you have something to say, say it. If you feel something strongly why be afraid to let the world(or the little subset of it known as S.F. Raves) know? It is easy to be non-controversial and not offend anyone. Sometimes this has the unfortunate side-effect of leaving you without expressing how you truly feel... Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 05:46:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19074 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 05:46:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 19064 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 05:46:38 -0000 Received: from mrin53.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin53.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.163) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 05:46:38 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA11484 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:46:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:46:10 -0500 (EST) From: Yellwtayl@aol.com Message-ID: <971120004609_106190811@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: request for So Cal events Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a list of some sort of happenings in SoCal for this weekend through next? If so, can you send it to me? Pretty pretty please. Thanx, Erik From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 05:57:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21856 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 05:57:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21840 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 05:57:47 -0000 Received: from comtch.iea.com (198.17.249.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 05:57:47 -0000 Received: from portal.lcsc.edu (portal.lcsc.edu [192.220.176.7]) by comtch.iea.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01085; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:56:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:57:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Eddie D. Daggett" To: pj fuzzy cc: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.ORG Subject: Re: wHY IS everyone weAkend??/Feelings about the scene In-Reply-To: <19971120024208.670.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You know, I've made some very long lasting friendships with wonderful people at parties. They've been with me through some really crazy and embarrassing times. I think it's like anything else. You don't make friends with everybody and it's difficult to have a conversation with all the noise, anyway. Peace All, Eddie On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, pj fuzzy wrote: > > > YEAH i AGREE- i GIVE UP TRYING TO ESTABLISH ANY > LONG-LASTING FRIEND SHIPS AT A RAVE, BUT I DONT > HOLD ANYONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. > Parties are such dynamic creatures that it is well > nigh impossible to have any meaningful interaction at > them. One competes not only with the drugs, but the > pounding beats, and a sea of people all in motion. > Sometimes one can find an eddy in this sea where the > noise and movement is minimal(the chillout room) and > one can meet someone new. In general I just forget > trying to meet people and enjoy myself dancing and > acting goofy. > pjfzzy > > > ---Derek J Fieldsoe wrote: > > > > On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:33:43 -0500 (EST) > TeKnODiVa@aol.com writes: > > > > >Hey.. I like to meet people and I just happen to > be someone who can't > > >remember names for shit. It takes a long time for > me to get them to > > >stick in > > >my head. > > > > Maybe I'm using a bad example here seeing as hella > people have written > > back to me saying that it's a common thing. I too > admit that I forget > > names so I should have thought more before I typed > it. > > > > But basically the point is that there is so much, > shall I say, false > > admiration at parties lately. I mean, if someone > appears so delighted to > > meet you, then how come they never call back later > on when you call them > > to see if they want to hang out or something. Or > when you are walking > > around at the party later that night and you see > the same person again. > > Now forget about names for a minute but what > happens when they give you > > this look like, "uhhh, leave me alone." I don't > know. Just > > observations. I've given up basically all hope of > going through the > > process of making friends while at a party. The > only way I'm going to > > become a good friend with anyone in the scene is if > I hang out with that > > person fairly often outside of parties. For > example, Bryon. I met him > > in June and hung out with him for like two weeks or > so before we ever > > went to a party together. Me and him are bestest > friends now. I would > > love to meet all of you on the list but if I do, > it's going to have to be > > at a coffee shop or record store and not at a > meeting spot at midnight in > > front of the jungle decks. If any of you would > like to get to know me > > and hang out with me, just give me a page. I live > in Castro Valley which > > is next to Hayward and I'm a super nice guy. > > > > So my pager is waiting to vibrate like little cells > dancing in Brownian > > motion ( little inside joke for science > nerds......don't get me wrong, I > > love science but I'm not a geek.) > > > > dErEk For anyone who wants to know me > outside the scene pgr- > > 510-561-2647 > > > > > > I'll talk to guys later. > > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 06:00:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23068 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 06:00:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 23047 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 06:00:42 -0000 Received: from comtch.iea.com (198.17.249.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 06:00:42 -0000 Received: from portal.lcsc.edu (portal.lcsc.edu [192.220.176.7]) by comtch.iea.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01384; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:00:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Eddie D. Daggett" To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers In-Reply-To: <3473B1FB.25D0@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk So... If someone's throwing a sober party and you don't want to go, then you probably won't have to go. Anybody who flames fish1111 for suggesting a sober party might do well to step back for a moment and see if he's actually trying to legislate morality or just suggesting something he would enjoy.... Peace all, Eddie On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > It seems i need to clarify my point here about drugs. > > I wasnt saying that you shouldnt take drugs or in anyway > condemming there use or those that use them. > They can be very beneficial. > This thread started out talking about _Abuse_and that > was what i was responding to. > > I do not drink or use drugs and i go to raves for other reasons. > > I realize that for some drugs are what raving is all about > and i knew i would get flamed for suggesting that raves > might be used for something beside getting wasted. > > We all have different things we like and dislike and i happen > to like partys that are drug free. im not saying they are > better or that im better because of this. I also believe that > promoters do have some effect on the behavior because > they are the ones that create the environment. I know some go > to certain partys because they know that producer sells > good drugs or some like myself go to other partys because > i know the focus is on something different...not better, just different. > Different types of music attracts different > types of people, and massives vs UG draws different people, > and different crews draw different types, so do things > like the use or non use of drugs draw different types. > Look at the recent flame wars about certain promoters just > being in it for the money...they draw different crowds than > those that have other motives. > > Im not trying to put anyone down or tell anyone what to do. > Im simply telling you what i like in hopes of finding > kindred spirits. And i often party with many of you > while you are flying and i enjoy and respect you all, unless you are > overdoing it and creating problems or od-ing. Sometimes i just like the > incredible feeling i experience at drug free events. I love diversity > but i also enjoy those that have similar beliefs sometimes. > > Have a fun day > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > > ps...thanks to all who responded to the silverstein question. > I am definately going to the childrens store tommorrow. > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 06:17:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27959 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 06:17:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 27950 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 06:17:29 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 06:17:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA00253; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:15:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:15:35 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: Break Dancer cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, unclenoa@netcom.com Subject: Re: Sober raving (was: OCR...) In-Reply-To: <19971120033010.5484.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk is music a substance? because it sure as fuck alters the way MY mind and body works. or is music considered food/drink for the soul? hmmmph. not too philosophical right now just tossing some thoughts out at you all on this loverly wednesday eve. xo lara yo phil, pass that bong this way ;) On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Break Dancer wrote: > Whats considered a drug.. i remember from 6th grade my dare officer told > us it was "any substance other than food or drink that alters the way > your mind and body work..." > so.. like toothpaste is a drug...coffe.... > at this "drug free party" are cigarettes allowed.... cause im doen for > smoke-free :) > ill just hit my bong before i come in :) > peace > Philly > disordr > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 06:24:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29014 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 06:24:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 29005 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 06:24:52 -0000 Received: from germany-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO germany.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.123) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 06:24:52 -0000 Received: from 208.254.224.250 (1Cust250.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net [208.254.224.250]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA13600; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:24:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3472BE91.6506@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:25:22 +0000 From: Fate Reply-To: rewindop@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fish1111@pacbell.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: recent hard times References: <3473B852.9E2@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk A true Vibe from a viboligist(sp). You do have a way of saving the sole don't you fish1111. A good moment for all to obsorbe and reflect upon. Keep it comming, every little bit helps. Fate fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > > this is for those having a hard time...as i know several have been lately. > > A man found a cocoon of an emperor moth. He took it home so that he could > watch the moth come out of the cocoon. On the day, a small opening > appeared, he sat and watched the moth for several hours as the moth > struggled to force its body through that little hole. > Then it seemed to stop making any progress. It appeared as if it had gotten > as far as it could go no farther. It just seemed to be stuck. Then the man, > in his kindness, decided to help the moth, so he took a pair of scissors > and > snipped off the remaining bit of the cocoon. The moth then emerged easily. > > But it had a swollen body and small, shriveled wings. The man continued > to watch the moth because he expected that, at any moment. the wings would > enlarge and expand to be bale to support the body, which would contract in > time. Neither happened! In fact, the little moth spent the rest of its life > crawling around with a swollen body and shriveled wings. It never was > able to fly. > > What the man in his kindness and haste did not understand was that the > restricting cocoon and the struggle required for the moth to get through > the tiny opening were a way of forcing fluid from the body of the moth > into its wings so that it would be ready for flight once it achieved its > freedom from the cocoon. Freedom and flight would only come after the > struggle. > > By depriving the moth of a struggle, he deprived the moth of health. > SOMETIMES STRUGGLES ARE EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED IN OUR LIFE. IF WE ARE ALLOWED > TO GO THROUGH OUR LIFE WITHOUT ANY OBSTACLES WOULD CRIPPLE US. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 06:34:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 151 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 06:34:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 142 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 06:34:07 -0000 Received: from germany-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO germany.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.123) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 06:34:07 -0000 Received: from 208.254.224.250 (1Cust250.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net [208.254.224.250]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17188; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:33:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3472C0B5.826@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:34:30 +0000 From: Fate Reply-To: rewindop@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lara at vibe.org" CC: Break Dancer , sfraves@hyperreal.org, unclenoa@netcom.com Subject: Re: Sober raving (was: OCR...) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Music is the transfusion of the soul, the vibe to stay alive and the trip that don't dip!! Music is the drug that does not take away, it gives and gives and then vibes you to sleep, night night all. Fate lara at vibe.org wrote: > > is music a substance? > because it sure as fuck alters the way MY mind and body works. > or is music considered food/drink for the soul? > hmmmph. not too philosophical right now just tossing some thoughts out at > you all on this loverly wednesday eve. > xo > lara > yo phil, pass that bong this way ;) > > On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Break Dancer wrote: > > > Whats considered a drug.. i remember from 6th grade my dare officer told > > us it was "any substance other than food or drink that alters the way > > your mind and body work..." > > so.. like toothpaste is a drug...coffe.... > > at this "drug free party" are cigarettes allowed.... cause im doen for > > smoke-free :) > > ill just hit my bong before i come in :) > > peace > > Philly > > disordr > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 07:03:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6021 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 07:03:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 6003 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 07:03:01 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 07:03:01 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-119.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.119]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id XAA14141 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:02:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3473E17D.5CC2@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:06:37 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Help Re: NRR: recent hard times References: <3473B852.9E2@pacbell.net> <3472BE91.6506@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Fate wrote: > > A true Vibe from a viboligist(sp). You do have a way of saving the sole > don't you fish1111. A good moment for all to obsorbe and reflect upon. > Keep it comming, every little bit helps. Fate > cAN you guysd believe sharrif torpis spammed me ordering me to stop abusing sfrave because of this post? I need some advice as to how i can stop this control freak from harassing me. Any suggestions ...legal ones. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 07:27:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10488 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 07:27:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 10479 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 07:27:05 -0000 Received: from norway-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO norway.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.49) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 07:27:05 -0000 Received: from 38.11.195.193 (ip193.san-francisco2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.195.193]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA13225; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:26:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3473F796.6374@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:40:54 -0800 From: ~e~l~e~n~a~ Reply-To: epetzar@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: ledesma@sfsu.edu, breaker2000@hotmail.com, ladyass@hotmail.com, yellwtayl@aol.com Subject: ** The SoCal-Raves Calendar ** 11/15/97 (fwd) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hola SFRrrrraverrrrrs!!! i will be in LA over the holiday too, so let's doit SF stylie in the City of Angels!!! Uncle Noah fwd this calendar after i asked him what's going on down yaunder, so check it out, CALL me and let's form an SFR group, i will have my car, cuz i'm driving down and back up, here's my 411 ELENA # 415.621.1466 leaving Dec.22nd below is the SoCal calendar check it out and let me know what you guyz might be interested in, i have _no_ clue!! > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 23:55:11 -0800 > From: SoCal-Raves Calendar > To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu > Subject: ** The SoCal-Raves Calendar ** 11/15/97 > > ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ > Vol 5.41 SoCal-Raves Calendar 11-15-97 > ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ > > Thanks > ----- > For sending in info, many thanks to: > Julius Yang, MagicWednesdays, Philip Evans, Dane Styles, Andromeda, > Missy the Imp, Gregory Farber, dmitry [P U R E], Juleen Zalesny, Jenn > Harrison, bass face, gT (ted racadio), Jason Sneed, Juleen Zalesny, > S.O.U.L Vibration, Gen Kanai, matthew Sena, Michelle Blake (ICU), > SPINangs, SkylinESD, DJ Orbitron, Stephanie Luciano, DJ Brownie, ricky > b (freshproduce), Raven, Nate, Art Kerns, Dale Laizure, Edward > Levitch, Fabio Rojas, and Mike Fix. > > Keep the info flowing... > > The calendar is available on the web at: > http://socal-raves.org/calendar/ > > ======================================================================== > Upcoming Events > ======================================================================== > - Please submit events and changes to calendar-update@socal-raves.org - > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Friday, November 14 > > Evolver 2001 (SD) - weekly. Guest DJs: David X, Syline (NRG > Tribe), and Ghostrider, Deception. full laser show by New Salt > Laser. Mid-6am. $7. Showcase Theatre. 1845 Hancock Street, San > Diego. 619.525.3848 > > Frequency (LA) - weekly. Guests: Bently Rhrythmace (UK, > Astralwerks), Simply Jeff, Bruno (quango), carbo. plus resident > Jason Bentley. Visuals by Future Lighting. 18+. 9pm-3am. $10 b4 > 10:30. $15 after. at The Hollywood Athletic Club. 6525 Sunset > Blvd. (cross st: Shader) 213.960.5516 > > Lift (LA) - By Planet 9 Productions. "A night of progressive > house, trance, and drum&bass." House Room: Doran (Rampant Rec.), > David Alvarado (Bomb Rec.), Brad & Jason Blakemore (Mother Earth > / Bassex 2x4), Nando (Planet 9), Jorge Reyna (Planet 9). Trance > Room: Sandra Collins (Fragrant Music), Christopher Lawrence > (Fragrant Music / Hook Rec.), Thee-O (Biohazard), Mr. Annand > (Planet 9), bit>>manipulation (Live-Planet 9), Performing Live: > PURE. Drum&Bass Room: Clutch & No Face (Junglist Platoon / Vinyl > Republic), Cosmo Brown (Planet 9), Spherical (Fluid 4 Dist.), Mok > (Grooveriders), DJ Down (Planet 9). $15, Free candy, smoothies, > and massage. 213.960.7764 / 310.281.6025 > Planet 9: http://www.planet9.org > > Uprise Junglist Massive '97 (LA) - by Wreck-Ignition. > 3 massive areas of Jungle, D&B, Techstep, Jumpup, Hardstep, > Future Soul, Darkside, Hip Hop, Jazzstep, & Experimental Jungle. > Featuring: area 1 (Jumpup & Hardtep): Deacon (Presha), Fury > (Denver, CO), Machete (Junglist Platoon), J Prolific (Helium > Crew), Malice. area 2 (Techstep & Hardstep): E-ssassin, Curious, > Scuba, Clutch, NoFace (Junglist Platoon), MaxAlert. area 3 > (AcidJazz, JazzJungle): Shaggy, Markman, Devon, Asylum. > 213.891.4846 > > Saturday, November 15 > > Beats Per Minute (SD) - by Nebula Productions. hip-hop, house, > liquid groove. DJs: Darkcyde= Tko, Cmt, Turtle-- Alliance= > Acusado, Alchemist, Root of David, Special guests Jef, Skot, > Quest. Sound by Equinox. 18+. bar for 21+. 9pm-6am. 1845 Hancock, > oldtown, SD. 619.492.8080 / 619.525.3850 > > Bert&Ernie's Underground hideout (SD) - DJs: Nate Starling, > Rite-One, Donovan, and more. 619.919.2301 > > Can You Relate? (LA) - by Innervisions. DJs: Simply Jeff, RAW, > Curious, Jesse Brooks, & Oscure. "This is a manefistation of our > minds, music and culture. We invite you to break it down with us > to hip-hop, jungle and break-beat. One Love - One Peace." $12. > New location in city of LA. 213.960.5115 > > Harmony 2: Deuce's Wild (LA) - by H3 productions, Underground > Source, Biohazard. "In celebration of Ron D. Core and Thee-O's > b-day!" Return of UK Happy Hardcore and tons of high energy > techno. > ## Room 1 = Technoddrome: Force x Styles (UK dance, united > dance; clacton, england; on 4 decks; creators of happy hardcore > anthems "heart of gold"; US debut), Ron D.Core (dr.freecloud's) x > Thee-O (biohazard) (Scorpio Rising, old school techno), Mars x > Mystr-e (frequency 8, SF cybertrance pioneers), Paulina Taylor > (h3) x DNA (London) (Battle of the Breaks, Happy Hardcore > madness), Sandra Collins (closing out with a very special 2 hour > melodic trance set). MCs: E By Gum (Toronto, Canada, Harmony 1), > Simon Apex (London, England, H3 resident MC). > ## Room 2 = Bassrush arena: Mindcontroller (Bigger 'n Bolder), > StarEyes (Bass Cru/San Francisco) x Golgo 13 (H3) (classic > hardstep and jump-up), Heretic (119) x Josh Swissman (119), Simon > Apex (H3/London, England, flashback to happy hardcore breaks), > Max Alert (Generic, techstep). > ## Room 3 = Biodome-the sound of Biohazard: Thee-O (Biohazard > founder, trance), Tony Gamboa (hard acid journey), Jughead > (progressive techno), Doc Chaos (Hardcore bass), Omar > (minimalistic techno and acid), Opee (goa), Gabe (SF, high energy > funky breaks). > Plus: intelligent lighting. heart pounding booming bass. > multi-color 3D laser show. high-tech state of the art visuals. > Free whistles, candy and other cool things. Free mix-tape > giveaways courtesy of Hypersound and Biohazard to all of the > early birds. All H3 members with ID card will receive a discount > on entrance and a free mix-tape, sign up to be a member. food and > water booth, smart drinks, sony playstation game zone and much > more. $17 presale. $22 day of. A portion of the proceeds will go > towards the Princess Diana charities fund in memory of the late > Princess Diana of Wales. First Harmony sold out, buy tix early! > Presale at: > Dr.Freecloud's (714-650-0909 / 145 E. 19th St. #C-3, Costa Mesa), > Soundwave Records (909-355-1727 / 17122 Slover Avenue, Fontana), > Booth 7 (213-651-1373 / 7576 Melrose Avenue, Hollywood), > Music Trader (619-272-2274 / 1084 Garnet Avenue, Pacific Beach). > Info: 213.694.0190 / 213.630.3063 / 818.293.5293 / 714.703.2368 / > 909.789.2183 / teknosis@ucla.edu. > H3: h3prodz@aol.com / http://www.ravenetwork.com/~hardcore/H3 > > Mind Games (LA) - "Welcome to a new game in which your mind is > the next opponent." DJs: Ellis Dee, Christopher Lawrence, Huggie > & Doran, Chris Lee, Treavor, Eyal, Quadra, Kandyman. 40,000 sqft. > fully secured location. Lasers. (2) 10x30 foot JBL Pro Audio > speaker wall bouncing bass and energy through your soul. Free > massages by Ben Peiny, Free gifts and giveaways, Mind bending > visuals, Plenty of candy, 8 hours of non stop music! Pre-sale: > Giftworx- 14101 burbank blvd. (818)-786-8255; Spice Co.- 7558 > Sunset Blvd (213)-874-4130. info: 818.754.4695 / 714.224.3190 / > 310.712.3485 > > Morph (LA) - Come Join Us in a Night of House Music. Two rooms > and two argon lasers. Featuring: For the first time ever straight > from Philadelphia Chris Udoh & Deep C. "The Wamdue Kids". plus > Dave Trance (Smile Comm.), Lilly Anne (LA), Andre Lucero (SF), > Jason Blakemore (smile comm.), Galen (SF), Fabian (LA). > 213.550.7608 / 310.335.4990 / 818.291.1348 > > Parliament (The Re-formation Party) - no other info. > > out of town: > > Break Yourself (Phoenix) - by Enormous Sounds & Educated Beats. > "Breaks and Jungle to the loudest degree." performers will > include: Expando (Bassex, performing LIVE), Adam X (Sonic > Grooves), Witch Doctor (City of Angels), PRG & Lego (swell > massiv/Bumpkins, Tag-Team), Principal (Educated Beats), Machete > (LA junglist Platoon/Vinyl Republic), E-Sassin (Sound Sphere > rec./Vinyl Republic), more TBA. "There will be Video being sent > to German Sattalite News TV about the event." 1st Annual Phoenix > Breakdance Competition. Massive 80 cabinet Shredder sound. Free > water and fruit while they last. "Come experience, dope styles , > dope beats and a dope fuckin' vibe" $12 out of state IDs. > 602.949.4769 / 602.664.4133 / 602.280.9264 > > Sunday, November 16 > > LOGIC (LA) - weekly. Guest DJ Doc Martin plus resident DJs Mark > Lewis. free parking. 9pm-3am. $10 (except special events). 21+ > w/ID. at the West End Club. located at 5th & Arizona in Santa > Monica. 310.712.1911 / email: icu@icupromo.net > > Monday, November 17 > > Chemical Brothers (SD) - by Bill Silva. live. $23. Tickets at > Tickeetmaster. all ages. 8pm. at Soma. 5305 Metro, San Diego. > > Monday's Social (LA) - weekly. Celebrate a night of Namaquadisco > at a record release party for Hawke. DJs: Gavin Hardkiss, Robbie > Hardkiss, & Niven Hardkiss. Plus BudBrothers Mick Cole & Freddy > Be. 10pm-2am. $6. 21+. Louis XIV. 606. N La Brea. (1 blk S. of > Melrose on the east side). dinner:213.934.5102 / info:818.594.7181 > > Tuesday, November 18 > > Chemical Brothers (LA) - the weekly Frequency presents a special > event at the Hollywood Palladium. Featuring live performances by > the Chemical Brothers and Death in Vegas, plus DJ Jason Bentley. > Tickets from the cancelled October 31 concert will be honored. > tix at Ticketmaster. all ages. doors open 8:30pm. Hollywood > Palladium. palladium#:213.962.7600 > > Thursday, November 20 > > Up (OC) - weekly. Guest: Bassland (in live performance). plus > resident DJs Taylor, Mark Tebberner. 18+. 7pm-3am. free b4 9:30pm > Members: 21+: $5, 18+: $8. Non Members: 21+: $8, 18+: $10. > @Metropolis across from UCI. 4255 Campus Drive. 714.751.1145 > > Friday, November 21 > > Frequency (LA) - weekly. Guests: Moby + band (live), bud > brothers, plus resident Jason Bentley. Visuals by Future > Lighting. 18+. 9pm-3am. $10 b4 10:30. $15 after. at The Hollywood > Athletic Club. 6525 Sunset Blvd. (cross st: Shader) 213.960.5516 > > Institute (LA) - On deck funky Detroit tribal acid techno house. > DJs Adrian Dior (a.k.a Hybrid from Entity Music, > industrycommunications US), Lenny Morris (Delerium Records. > Germany), plus special guests. $7. 213.969.1884 > > Saturday, November 22 > > Clutch (LA) - DJs Boo Williams & Glen Underground (cajual > recordings, chicago, 1st time in LA), Takeshi Fukushima (*live*, > gwm recordings, japan), Kuya & Kenneth Graham (controlteamusic). > 310.854.7470. > > OZ (LA) - by the Good Vibe Crew. Room 1: DJ Ant (Choci's Cheuns > Records, UK), Chris Liberator (Stay Up Forever, Prolekult, Noom > Records, UK), Selway (M.M.R., Plus 8, NY), Jim Hopkins (SF), > Jimmy (LA), DJ Brad (Mother Earth, LA), Paul Mathews (LA). > Room 2: Thomas Michael (Good Vibe Crew), Christopher Lawrence > (Hook Rec, Fragrant Music), Ellis Dee (Andromeda Prod), John > Kelley (Moonshine Rec, Moontribe), Jason Blakemore (Bassex Rec, > Religion), DJ Lindsey (Colour). Sound by: The Almighty Shredder. > Life size props and visuals by: Ultra Vision. find laughter and > fun. 310.288.6681 / 818.973.3152 / 213.960.5126 / 714.648.2164 > > Sunday, November 23 > > LOGIC (LA) - weekly. Guest DJ Frankie Knuckles "the godfather of > house music" plus resident DJs Mark Lewis. free parking. 9pm-3am. > $10 (except special events). 21+ w/ID. at the West End Club. > located at 5th & Arizona in Santa Monica. 310.712.1911 / email: > icu@icupromo.net > > Moby (OC) - Moby and Juno Reactor live in concert. 2 drink > minimum. tix at Ticketmaster. $20. 8pm. at the Galaxy Concert > Theater, 3503 S. Harbor Bl, Santa Ana. > > Wednesday, November 26 > > The Giving (LA) - Featuring 4 levels of dancing and delight. > Level 1 - The Mothership: Eat Static (live for 2hrs, exclusive, > from the UK), Michael Dog (Planet Dog records UK), Sandra Collins > and Eli Star. > Level 2 - Sonic Institute of Science (or drum & bass bliss): Bud > Brothers, Jun, Ezra, and Raymond Roker. > Level 3 - Lunar Eclipse with Moontribe: Brad, Brian, Trevor, and > John Kelly. > Level 4 - Freak Out Chamber hosted by Jhymn: Michael & Will, Soul > & D-Mode with 2X4 action. > Sound by: Shredder & Nebula. Visuals by Multi Media Meltdown SF. > Slides by Owen SF. Full Color Lasers by: UV-99 SF. In Downtown > LA. 213.532.6566 / 310.358.5975 / 818.407.6820 > > Stereolab (LA) - Stereolab with Mouse On Mars and High Llamas > live in concert. tix SOLD OUT. at The El Rey Theater. > > Wax (LA) - the return of Wax. DJs Thomas (wicked sf), Stefan > (nyc), Doc Martin (los angeles). 213.993.3392 / 213.960.2056 > (melodic line) > > Friday, November 28 > > Frequency (LA) - weekly. Guests: Wall of Sound: John Carter > (monkey mafia), Derrick Delarge. plus resident Jason Bentley. > Visuals by Future Lighting. 18+. 9pm-3am. $10 b4 10:30. $15 > after. at The Hollywood Athletic Club. 6525 Sunset Blvd. (cross > st: Shader) 213.960.5516 > > on the radio: > > Y-107 Liphted (LA/OC Radio) - 107.1fm Y-107. Fridays 11pm-Mid. > Guest DJ: Justin Johnson. Hosts: DJ Jock Chase with Mike Savage. > Range: ?. 818.351.9107 / liphted@aol.com > > Saturday, November 29 > > Goldie (LA) - Goldie live in concert. tix at Ticketmaster. $15. > 8:30pm. At the Troubadour. 9081 Santa Monica Blvd. > > Sugar (LA) - by Cand-E Productions. Featuring: The Wamdue Project > (performing live for the 1st time on the west coast, with DJs > Udoh and Deep C.), and DJs: Garth (wicked), Jasen (santa barabra, > cande prod), Jason Blakemore, Jamie Thinnes (cande prod), Terry > Mullen, Deacon, Steve Weiser, Dean Decosta (Dr. Freeclouds), Mark > Tabberner (renaissance, UK), Hyperactive (higer source > hb/chicago). Cand-E Prod exists on a thnig we call "Vibe". $15 > presale. $20 day of event. "all new virgin location 30 min south > of LA." 714.460.6947 / 619.230.9038 / 310.535.3283 / 818.568.2692 > / 213.673.3536 / 909.778.3523 / stubbs8030@aol.com > > Sonic Boom (Central CA) - by Get On It Productions. "Beyond the > Speed of Sound." Main Stage: Radius, Orbit, Max Alert, Scribbles, > Panic. Full Moon Stage: Sid, Tina K, Traffic, W.O.W., Devotion, > and more TBA. Visuals by Freelance, Lighting by Progressive Storm > Lighting. Sound by: Audio Candy. 20 Cabinet Mega Boom Wall, > props and more. located in Visalia. 3hrs north of LA. 3 hrs south > of SF. 800.971.7896 / 800.971.8396 > > Sunday, November 30 > > LOGIC (LA) - weekly. Guest DJ Dimitri (Amsterdam), only LA > appearance, Doc Martin. free parking. 9pm-3am. $10 (except > special events). 21+ w/ID. at the West End Club. located at 5th & > Arizona in Santa Monica. 310.712.1911 / email: icu@icupromo.net > > Monday, December 1 > > Goldie (LA) - Jane's Addiction with Goldie live in concert. tix > SOLD OUT. at The Universal Amphitheater. > > Metric (OC) - by fresh & isophlux records. LA and Orange County's > only new school electronica and intelligent dance music monthly. > Live: Influx (aka.james bernard/isophlux), Low Res (plug > research/metroplex), Spinning: Maxalert (generic), 3t, Japanese > Pill Kid #23 (isophlux). 7:30pm. $6. at Global Village. 2443 East > Chapman Ave., Fullerton, CA. 818.990.5867 / fresh@linkonline.net > http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/metric > > Saturday, December 6 > > Good Times (LA) - by Good Times. Featuring from New York, DJs > Magic, Gonzo, and Mayday; and from LA, DJ Trance, Thomas Michael, > Sandra Collins, and more. Stay tuned for more info to come. Bring > altitude, NOT attitude! 213.391.4895 / 310.252.9710 > > Toy Story (LA) - by Rythmic Intelligence and the Kali All Starz. > DJs: Ellis Dee, E Love, Danny Cosmo, Guido & Ganesh. Free video > from Happy Happy, Joy Joy to first 1000 tickets purchased. > Christmas toy drive for Toys For Tots. $5 off admission with new, > unwrapped toy donation. 213.960.1075 / 818.377.5249 / > rythmicintel@hotmail.com / kaliallstarz@hotmail.com > > Monday, December 8 > > Bjork (LA) - by Goldenvoice and KROQ. Bjork with Gus Gus live in > concert. tix at Ticketmaster. 8pm. $20-23. at the Shrine > Auditorium. 665 W.Jefferson Blvd., LA > > Friday, December 12 > > KMFDM (OC) - KMFDM and Rammstein live in concert. 2 drink > minimum. tix at Ticketmaster. $20. 8pm. at the Galaxy Concert > Theater, 3503 S. Harbor Bl, Santa Ana. > > Saturday, December 13 > > Atari Teenage Riot (LA) - by Goldenvoice. Atari Teenage Riot live > in concert plus EC8OR and Shizuo. tix at Ticketmaster. $12. 8pm. > at the Whisky. 8901 W. Sunset, Hollywood. > > Dedication (LA) - "A party of love, a party of soul, a party of > unity." Entrancing DJs: Thee-O, Chris Lee, Ellis Dee, Kage, SKY > (live), Garret. Bounce your head hard DJs: LEO37, Mindcontroller, > Laura Croft, Chris Kosmik, Erik-L, and more tba. "Great secured > fully 100% permitted location." Do not come if you expect > anything less than love, great music, and a true attempt to bring > all the love we've felt right back to you." Free Water, Free > Candy and Ice Pops, and a feast of fruit in the morning. $10. > 310.299.0154 / 714.748.5128 / 818.872.2324 > > Drop Knowledge (LA) - Featuring: Rainbow Bridge (live PA, Rainbow > Bridge Recs., Orlando, Florida, 1st LA appearance), 2x4 w/Bay > Area Breaks by DJ Ghost X Frank Nitty (Ghostribe Productions, > SF), DJ Astor (Drop Knowledge, LA), Oscure (LA), and DJ's Noah & > Lindsey on the 2x4's Discovery Zone DJ's: JSUN (Flavor'd Raves, > LA), Headtrix (LA) and more to beats to come. Info. 213.828.7105 > or Email us at : Drpknowldge@aol.com > > Freebase (LA) - by Freak Entertaiment Concepts. Live: Matt > Briscoe (f.e.c., LA). DJs: Joey Beltram (NYC), Terry Mullan > (Chicago,Ill), Juan Atkins (Detroit,MI), Sandra Collins, Lenny V, > Thomas Michael, Joeski (NYC), ESP, Woody McBride (Minneapolis, > MN), Taylor, Matt Briscoe (4 Table Set), more TBA. > 800.234.8862 > > Sunday, December 14 > > Atari Teenage Riot (OC) - Atari Teenage Riot live in concert. 2 > drink minimum. tix at Ticketmaster. $15. 8pm. at the Galaxy > Concert Theater, 3503 S. Harbor Bl, Santa Ana. > > KMFDM (LA) - by Goldenvoice. KMFDM and Lords of Acid live in > concert. tix at Ticketmaster. 6:30pm. $20. Hollywood Palladium, > 6215 Sunset Blvd, Hollywood. > > Monday, December 15 > > Atari Teenage Riot (Inland Empire) - by 98 Posse. Atari Teenage > Riot live in concert plus EC80R and Shizou. tix at Ticketmaster. > all ages. 8pm. $9. at The Barn, UC Riverside. 900 University Drive. > 909.715.2252 / 714.991.2055 / > 98 Possee: http://www.98posse.com > > Friday, December 19 > > WinterFresh (LA) - by Motivation L.A. DJs: Thee-O (Biohazard), > Huggie (Global Energy), Jon Mark (Sixth Sense), Jason Lee > (Orlando, FL- 2nd West Coast appearance), Mike Marion (Whirled > Records, www.djmike.com). House Area- Kuya (Lift), Kenneth > Graham (ControlTeam), Raj, Stephen, Nic-Nac. Virgin > air-conditioned LA location, full video arcade, $1 H2o, free > candy canes, and a few *cool* surprises! Happy Holidays from > Dane Styles and Larry e! $10 before 10pm, $15 after. **Voice > mail is available on the flyers only**, or call 818.328.2337 / > email: hbhis151@csun.edu. > > Saturday, December 27 > > Xanth (?) - by SuperBean and Mute-8 productions. The magic exists > within us all. lineup TBA. 213.960.8858 / 818.377.5233 / > 619.492.8013 / email: warhol@superbean.com > http://www.superbean.com/upcoming > > New Year's Eve > Wednesday, December 31 > > Epic (Central CA) - by Get On It Productions. New Year's > gathering of the minds! DJs Orbit, Koo-Kane, Sid, Radius, > Traffic, Tina K, Wow, Scribbles, Devotion, Panic, and more. Fun > Zone: Moon Bounces, Surf Rider. Visuals, props, lazers and > lighting by Progressive Storm Lighting Tribe. Free giveaways by > Progressive Records. "100% bust free." all permits secured. 3hrs > north of LA. 3hrs south of SF. 9pm-9am. Tulare County > Fairgrounds. 800.971.7896 / 800.971.8396 > > Saturday January 10, 1998 > > Spys Only (LA) - by Fresh Produce. DJs TBA. located in the LA > area. > http://home.earthlink.net/~freshproduce/SpysOnly.html > > Saturday, January 17, 1998 > > Another ONE (LA) - by One Entertainment. lineup tba. > > Saturday, February 7, 1998 > > Phat House (LA) - by Phat House. DJs: Solar (sunset, SF), Brownie > (rampant records, LA), Rudy Molinaro (phat house, soul savior > recordings, SD), Steven Ankele (phat house, LA). "1/2 the > calories all tha phat." 213.957.4868 > http://members.aol.com/phathous97/index.html > > ======================================================================== > Weeklies and Monthlies > ======================================================================== > > Legend: > ------ > - Clubs marked with an 'A' are afterhours. > - Clubs marked with a '*' are recommended by somebody on the list > and are usually a good bet. > - Stuff in Parentheses () are general location by county or region: > LA = greater Los Angeles County. > SFV = San Fernando Valley > Southbay LA = southern LA cities.(Redondo, Torrance, SanPedro, > etc) > LB = Long Beach. > OC = Orange County. > SD = San Diego. > SB = Santa Barbara. > Inland Empire = San Bernardino and Riverside Counties > - City location is usually given at end of listing if known > > HELP! > ----- > The weeklies are always out of date as New clubs disappear as quietly > as they appear. If you notice a club listed that no longer exists, > please please please email: calendar-update@socal-raves.org. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > New Weeklies (to this section) in the past month (updated 10-24-97): > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > (NOTE: The full weeklies listing follows this list) > mondays - added 10/24 > Fresh Fruit (SD) - DJ Miles Maeda and guests. at the Flame on > Park Blvd. 619.295.4163 > mondays - begins 11/3 > Metric (OC) - by fresh & isophlux records. LA and Orange County's > only new school electronica and intelligent dance music monthly. > 11/3: Metal Beast (live), Lustmord, Plug Research, Fisherman. > 12/1: Influx (live), Low Res (live), Maxalert, 3t, Japanese > pill kid #23 > First monday of every month at 7:30pm. $6. > at Global Village. 2443 East Chapman Ave., Fullerton, CA. > 818.990.5867 / fresh@linkonline.net > http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/metric > wednesdays - added 10/24 > Release (LA) - deep soulful house. resident DJs Steve Loria and > Juan Nunez. at Checca. 7321 Santa Monica blvd. (west of la > brea.). > wednesdays - begins 11/5 > Dubway (LA) - Hip Hop, Acid Jazz, Abstrakt, Jazz/Funk House, and > Rare Groove, with Special Guests and Open Mic sessions. Resident > DJs Alison (Elemental LA), Fingerprintz (Foundation), Ben > (2-slo), and Scribe (Dubway). > 11/5: premiere. Chillfreez (Giant Step, NYC). > 213.580.4541 / dubway@groundzero.net > wednesday - added 10/22 > Swirl (LA) - by Jason J and Juliet Long. Resident DJs Jimmy and > Jason Blakemore plus guests. 3 rooms. Room 1: Resident DJs Jimmy > and DJ Trance plus weekly guests. Room2: Trip hop and rare > grooves. Room 3: Jungle and D&B. with jungle and trance. > 9pm-2am. all ages. Full bar 21+w/ID. $10. at The World. 7070 > Hollywood Blvd. (between Labrea and Highland.) 310.842.6475 > thursdays - added 10/10 > Gasoline (SD) - by Mod Squad Productions. the newest alternative > to Hedonism. Rotating DJs: DJ Derek King, DJ Groove, Daman, > Voyager, Rudy Molinaro, Plexus (NYC), Mike Bryant (NYC), David > Holland (NY), Cyberjive (IN) and Mark E Quark (SF). plus Guests. > Dress fashionably. Full buffet 2-4:30am. 10pm-4:30am. $7. 21+. at > Harbor Nights, 2901 Nimitz Blvd in Point Loma (Rosecrans is > closest cross street). 760.732.12543 > thursdays - added 10/24 > The Chillroom (Bakersfield) - DJs vary. 8pm-MID. at Jerry's, > Bakersfield. 805.665.9661 > http://www.chillroom.com > fridays - begins 10/17 > Clear (LA) - monthly (3rd Friday of the month). resident DJs Mike > Marion (www.djmike.com) and Chillo (The Hereafter) plus guests > monthly. Free. 9pm-2:30am. 119 East Olive Ave, Monrovia, CA. > 909.449.3135 > http://www.bigtomato.com/clear > fridays - began 10/10 > Bob's Jungle Bungalow (LA) - bi-weekly. (2nd and 4th Fridays of > each month). Drum & Bass, Trip-Hop, Hip-Hop, Acid Jazz. > Featuring: DJ ZOOT & DJ Nym. 8pm-1am. Free. Cafe/Net Lounge > space. at: iBrowser Coffee and Internet. 11 W Main St., Alhambra, > CA. 626.588.2233 > iBrowser: http://ipgeek.com/~ibrowse/ > saturdays - begins 10/18 > Club Money (SD) - by Mod Squad Productions. DJ Mark E Quark and > guests. 2 rooms. Full buffet 2-4:30am. 21+. 10pm-6am. $10/$5 > afterhours. at Harbor Nights, 2901 Nimitz Blvd in Point Loma > (Rosecrans is closest cross street). 760.732.12543. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sundays > > Ambient Sundaze (SD) - DJs vary. dancing, reading, lounging. $1 > donation. 9pm-MID. at Circle of Friends bookstore (on hwy 101). > Encinitas. 619.633.4254 > > * LOGIC (LA) - by ICU Promotions. Featuring Resident DJs Mark Lewis > plus guest DJs. > 11/16: Doc Martin > 11/23: Frankie Knuckles "the godfather of house music" > 11/30: Dimitri (Amsterdam), only LA appearance, Doc Martin. > "one of the most popular and respected HOUSE clubs in L.A. for > over two years running. If you want to know what HOUSE music is > about, this is the place to go." full bar. dancers. free parking. > 9pm-3am. $10 (except special events). 21+ w/ID. at the West End > Club. located at 5th & Arizona in Santa Monica. 310.712.1911 / > email: icu@icupromo.net / http://www.icupromo.net > > Nightnoise (OC) - Electronic dub, ambient, trip hop and chill out. > Resident DJs: Mr. Lumpy, Chowderhead, Claptrap, plus guests. > "OC's ONLY weekly chill out spot." Cafe/Lounge space. 5pm-10pm. > at The Gypsy Den (in the Lab), on Bristol St., Costa Mesa. > http://www.kuci.org/~davem/homey.htm > > Route 69 (LA) - Electro, Industrial, and Goa Trance spun by the > titanic Membrane. 10p-2a. $3 cover. 21+. Located at The > Garage, 4519 Santa Monica Blvd. club#:213.662.6802 > > Simple (Inland Empire) - by The Surreal Network. "good vibe chill > spot" with trance, ambient, breakbeat, and experimental > electronica. Rotating guest DJs and live acts. > coffee lounge. all ages. free. 6pm-11pm. at Espresso > Yourself. 350 W. Foothill Blvd. Upland, CA. 909.448.7395 / > 909.998.1128 / frkyfrank@aol.com > > Sketchpad (LA) - DJs vary. "featuring the best music around > spun by djs known and soon to be known." Lites by freelance > Fred. FRACTALeyes by Kyle. also $3 bbq on the patio till 8pm. > 2pm-2am. free b4 6pm. $6 after 6pm. 21+. at Checca. 7321 santa > monica blvd (west of LaBrea). 213.368.9693 / 213.368.4811 > > Mondays > > Avant Groove (SD) - [moved to Mondays]. Gage spinning Trip hop, > Dub and Jungle. Free. at G Lounge, 2228 Bacon Street in Ocean > Beach. club#:619.222.8131 > > Fresh Fruit (SD) - DJ Miles Maeda and guests. at the Flame on > Park Blvd. 619.295.4163 > > Metric (OC) - by fresh & isophlux records. LA and Orange County's > only new school electronica and intelligent dance music monthly. > 12/1: Influx (live), Low Res (live), Maxalert, 3t, Japanese > pill kid #23 > First monday of every month at 7:30pm. $6. > at Global Village. 2443 East Chapman Ave., Fullerton, CA. > 818.990.5867 / fresh@linkonline.net > http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/metric > > Monday's Social (LA) - Beautiful Underground Delights. "For > explorers & mad scientists." Guest DJs plus the BudBrothers (Mick > Cole & Freddy Be). restaurant lounge space. 10pm-2am. 21+. at > Louis XIV. 606. N La Brea. (1 blk S. of Melrose on the east > side). dinner:213.934.5102 / info:818.594.7181 > http://www.globalmusic.com/budbrothers/ > > Mix And Match (SD) - formerly G-Force. Rotating DJs: Daeman and > Miles Meada. $2, 21+, The Flame, 3780 Park Blvd., Hillcrest. > 619.295.4163 > > Tuesdays > > Wednesdays > > Cosmic Smarties (MX) - DJs Daeman, Hipp-E, Jon Bishop. 18+. > at F/X. (Revolution and 6th, Tijuana, MX). 619.903.0621. > > Dubway (LA) - Hip Hop, Acid Jazz, Abstrakt, Jazz/Funk House, and > Rare Groove, with Special Guests and Open Mic sessions. Resident > DJs Alison (Elemental LA), Fingerprintz (Foundation), Ben > (2-slo), and Scribe (Dubway). > 11/5: premiere. Chillfreez (Giant Step, NYC). > 213.580.4541 / dubway@groundzero.net > > 555 (SD) - another new location. two floors. Main floor: Greyboy and > Ragz (hip hop and soul). Downstairs: Joey Jimenez and Valo (house > grooves). Top floor: Professor B. $5. 21+. at Ole Madrid. 755 > Fifth Ave. downtown San Diego. club#:619.557.0146 / 619.338.9300 > > Jazzid Up! (LA) - Featuring DJs Junior Roach and T-Bird (spinning > acid jazz, rare groove, drum & bass, dub, ambient, hip-hop, > trip-hop and international grooves) plus live acid jazz bands. > Brazilian cuisine & bar. 9pm-2am. all ages. $3. at Zabumba, > 10717 Venice Blvd (corner Overland). 310.236.0141 > http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/7708 > > Magic Wednesdays (LA) - ended. 310.358.5975 > > Release (LA) - deep soulful house. resident DJs Steve Loria and > Juan Nunez. at Checca. 7321 Santa Monica blvd. (west of la > brea.). > > Soul (SD) - Resident DJ Rudy Mo^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ > Send calendar updates to: calendar-update@socal-raves.org > Check the Web version at: http://socal-raves.org/calendar/ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 07:43:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13621 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 07:43:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 13613 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 07:43:48 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 07:43:48 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CBJ12292; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:43:28 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers Message-ID: <19971119.234623.10095.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8,10-30,32-34,36-49 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:43:28 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:27:24 -0800 (PST) writes: >Do really feel that any response that you got was a flame? If so, you >have >*paper-thin* skin. I am being flamed privately. I find the public converstion about this very civilized so far an hope it stays that way. I know im not the best of communicators but i seem to being misunderstood on several points. > Further, if you feel >strongly >about it, why not attempt to find a group of like-minded people and >organize such an event? Thats what im trying to do...I know there are many that like yourself would probably find one of my sober partys boring and thats fine with me...variety and choices are great things. >You are contradiciting yourself. you lost me on that... >Your bias is clear. If you have >something >to say, say it. I think i said it several times now. I am not against drugs. I do not like drunks pawing me or screaming about those great 49niners. I respect there right to do what ever they like...i like something different. I did many more drugs when i was young...i prefer something else now. Im in no way saying those who choose differently than me are wrong. Im not trying to dictate morality at any party or to any person. Im saying this is what i like and i would like to party with other people that share my ideas. I also like to party with those who dont. theres a time and place for everything and everyone. does that make it any clearer or did i just muck it up more =) ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish I used to have an open mind, but all my brains kept falling out. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 08:33:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19212 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 08:33:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 19204 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 08:33:43 -0000 Received: from f24.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.35) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 08:33:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 22979 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 1997 08:33:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19971120083316.22978.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.61.225 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:33:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.212.61.225] From: "Kimberly the Mermaid" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: ** The SoCal-Raves Calendar ** 11/15/97 (fwd) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:33:16 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Horray for SoCal!! Yup, I am gonna be there too. I'll be in San Diego for the most part, but my friends and I frequent the LA scene. We were there every weekend over the summer. Anyways, I like the idea of an SFravers group in SoCal, this could be really neat. Let's do it!! Come swim with me beneath the depths of the deep blue sea. ~~~Mermaid~~~ LuvTribe, SD From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 08:42:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20703 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 08:42:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 20695 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 08:42:21 -0000 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (mayer@192.100.81.115) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 08:42:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) with SMTP id AAA04526; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:42:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711200842.AAA04526@netcom7.netcom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: netcom7.netcom.com: mayer@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: rwpointer@citiscape.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Question about the DJM-500 CD mixer series - NRR In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 19 Nov 97 17:38:30 GMT." <34732400.9F1C784C@citiscape.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 00:42:18 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > Anyone who has the knowledge about these things, > > I just got the 500 series mixer by pioneer with the pitchable CD players and > I'm missing the control wire that you plug in to the back of the mixer from > the CD player to allow the cross-fader to control the "play" function of the > CD player. > > Anybody know where I can buy a couple of these wires? I originally searched for 1/8" mono phone jacks connected by a 2 conductor wire and couldn't find any at the obvious/easy-to-get-to place (Goodguys@Stonestown). They only had 1/8" STEREO phone jacks connected by 3 conductor wire. Fortunately, the way the female phone jack (on the CDJ500mkII and DJM500) is configured, it doesn't really care if you plug in a stereo or mono phone jack... the "sleeve" will still get the "ground level" signal, and the "tip" will get the control signal... So bascically, all you need is a short 1/8" stereo male mini-phone-jack to 1/8" stereo male mini-phone jack connector. These should be available at any electronics store, e.g. fry's, goodguys, radio shack, or whatever. If you can find a mono (just "tip" and "sleeve", no "ring") mini-phone jack, go ahead and get that. If you're really anal and insist on getting mono phone jacks, you can purchase the jacks and wire them up w/ any old 2 conductor wire yourself (even power cord will do -- the lines don't carry audio signals). Just make sure tip goes to tip, and sleeve goes to sleeve. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ==>> Niels Mayer (mayer@netcom.com) <<== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 09:59:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14539 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 09:59:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 14530 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 09:59:06 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 09:59:06 -0000 Received: from [206.169.229.38] (tokyo-38.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.38]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA23311; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:58:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:58:07 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: deepfog@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "You're Busted!" From: Deepfog Subject: love Cc: Mr nStuff , aaronschottenfeld@rocketmail.com, ohmygod@shit.pants, Boomerang Fidget: ;: ;, Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk love is... 2 grilled cheese sandwiches with a couple of glasses of cheap wine at 2 o'clock in the morning. and a cigarette from ryan's donation cup. =] [[nStuff}} are you all ready? on 3! hi jeff! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 16:00:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15821 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 16:00:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 15811 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 16:00:01 -0000 Received: from suntan.tandem.com (HELO Tandem.com) (192.216.221.8) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 16:00:01 -0000 Received: from POST.TANDEM.COM (post.mis.tandem.com [130.252.223.47]) by Tandem.com (8.8.8/2.0.1) with SMTP id HAA12465; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:59:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by POST.TANDEM.COM (4.14/4.5) id AA13625; 20 Nov 97 08:04:28 -0800 Date: 20 Nov 97 08:03:00 -0800 From: KATO_ERIC@Tandem.COM Message-Id: <199711200804.AA13625@POST.TANDEM.COM> To: deepfog@hooked.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: love Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ahhhhh, and don't forget the Ranch dressing with lots of chopped dill to dip your cheesers into. :) ------------ ORIGINAL ATTACHMENT -------- SENT 11-20-97 FROM SMTPGATE (deepfog@hooked.net) love is... 2 grilled cheese sandwiches with a couple of glasses of cheap wine at 2 o'clock in the morning. and a cigarette from ryan's donation cup. =] [[nStuff}} are you all ready? on 3! hi jeff! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 17:14:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28854 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 17:14:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28843 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 17:14:21 -0000 Received: from f21.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.32) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 17:14:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 12094 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 1997 17:13:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19971120171354.12093.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.202.191.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:13:53 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.202.191.17] From: "Digital Devil" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU, jasonelee@juno.com Subject: Re: ICQ Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:13:53 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > >I would like to thank those of you who responded to the mix tapes... they >are on the way.... > >I would also like to know if any of you catz have ICQ, at this moment I >feel as though i'm the only person with this program... I would like to >add people to it if you got it let me know.... I will post events that I >will be spinning at or attending on ICQ as well as the email lists. I >would like to get a chance to chat with you online so if you don't have >ICQ... get it, if you have it let me know how to add you to my list. > >my ICQ number is 4167063 or you could do a search by the nick jaylee > >if you want to get ICQ for your puter then http://www.mirabilis.com is >the place > >Thanks >Jason >jasonelee@juno.com >http://www.djmike.com/promomag > >*******I got this too. (my # is 4673426) and it also works like an Internet pager too. kinda like AOL's buddy list and IM features really cool I use it to keep in toach with some friends overseas . everybody check it out. 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From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 17:52:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19520 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 17:52:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 19453 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 17:52:38 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 17:52:38 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.163 (XYP5-PORT13.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQ88LXWD24936E0L@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:52:30 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:04:23 -0800 From: dOpE Subject: Re: Help Re: NRR: recent hard times To: fish1111@pacbell.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <32934827.28C9@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3473B852.9E2@pacbell.net> <3472BE91.6506@earthlink.net> <3473E17D.5CC2@pacbell.net> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i think somebody asked it earlier, but since i never saw a reply who the hell is sharrif torpis? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 17:56:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20978 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 17:56:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 20965 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 17:56:33 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 17:56:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA25776; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:56:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:56:31 -0800 (PST) From: blkadder@value.net Reply-To: blkadder@value.net To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, brian@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Help Re: NRR: recent hard times In-Reply-To: <3473E17D.5CC2@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > Fate wrote: > > > > A true Vibe from a viboligist(sp). You do have a way of saving the sole > > don't you fish1111. A good moment for all to obsorbe and reflect upon. > > Keep it comming, every little bit helps. Fate > > cAN you guysd believe sharrif torpis spammed me ordering > me to stop abusing sfrave because of this post? > > I need some advice as to how i can stop this control > freak from harassing me. Any suggestions ...legal ones. Step #1: Put a filter in place directing all his mail to the trash. Now I imagine that Sharif is technically astute enough to bypass this, so it probably won't be effective if he really is that childish. Step #2: Write Sharif a message(if you haven't already) asking him to stop contacting you. Save that message and any further messages that he has sent you. Step #3: Write a letter to his provider (crl.com I believe) including all of the above mentioned messages. Send it to abuse@crl.com. Step #4: (And the main reason I am sending this to the whole list) Contact Brian(brian@hyperreal.org) No one on SF-Raves should suffer harrasment from other member of SF-Raves, and anyone found doing so who will not stop should be kicked off. Step #5: If all of the above fails, contact your local police dept. and file a harrasment complaint. Having worked for ISP's in the past I can tell you that some police depts will take this seriously as I have fielded calls about harrasment cases. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 17:59:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22212 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 17:59:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 22201 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 17:59:01 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 17:59:01 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.163 (XYP5-PORT13.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQ88TVK53W936E0L@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:58:53 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:10:47 -0800 From: dOpE Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers To: "Eddie D. Daggett" Cc: fish1111@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <329349A7.3F3B@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk YAY!! let's leave the fish alone!! after all, it's only a fish...and there's plenty of fish in sea. (but on a personal note, i'm down for a sober ravE and i think many of us are. if we can't throw our OWN sober rave, we should just plan to all meet up at one, sober of course, and that way there's a better chance of remebering people's names....no wait, my short term is shot. :P ) just an ideer. _doreen_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 17:59:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22776 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 17:59:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 22766 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 17:59:21 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 17:59:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA26228; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:59:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:59:04 -0800 (PST) From: To: foolish_fish1@juno.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers In-Reply-To: <19971119.234623.10095.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 foolish_fish1@juno.com wrote: > > Further, if you feel > >strongly > >about it, why not attempt to find a group of like-minded people and > >organize such an event? > > Thats what im trying to do...I know there are many that like yourself > would probably find one of my sober partys boring and thats fine > with me...variety and choices are great things. Absolutely. Variety is the spice of life. :-) > > >You are contradiciting yourself. > > you lost me on that... > > >Your bias is clear. If you have > >something > >to say, say it. > > I think i said it several times now. I am not against drugs. > I do not like drunks pawing me or screaming about those great 49niners. > I respect there right to do what ever they like...i like something > different. That's what I am talking about. You want something different. No need to him-haw around the issue. > does that make it any clearer or did i just muck it up more =) Oh I think I knew what you were getting at in the first place. :-) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 18:09:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27264 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 18:09:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 27236 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 18:09:16 -0000 Received: from justice.andromedia.com (206.235.64.40) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 18:09:16 -0000 Received: (from marisa@localhost) by justice.andromedia.com (8.8.7/8.7.2) id KAA12445; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:07:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:07:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711201807.KAA12445@justice.andromedia.com> From: Marisa Giancarla To: "Digital Devil" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU, jasonelee@juno.com Subject: Re: ICQ In-Reply-To: <19971120171354.12093.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19971120171354.12093.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: marisa@andromedia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DD" == Digital Devil writes: DD>I got this too. (my # is 4673426) and it also works like >> an DD> Internet pager too. kinda like AOL's buddy list and IM DD> features really cool I use it to keep in toach with some DD> friends overseas . everybody check it out. My ICQ is 3640465, my AOL handle is qtfemme... No Ding! code yet (till their Unix Java version is out)... Marisa From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 18:12:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28984 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 18:12:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28975 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 18:12:21 -0000 Received: from f81.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.187) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 18:12:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 8723 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 1997 18:11:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19971120181150.8720.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.202.191.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:11:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.202.191.17] From: "Digital Devil" To: unclenoa@netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Sober raving (was: OCR...) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:11:48 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > > > >I've really been wanting to put together a few parties and on the flyers >have some kind of tagline that says "This is a sober event, please don't >bring in drugs, thanks." or something like that. Now, I have nothing >against drugs as many of you can attest to from first-hand experience. >But as I go out and look around, I notice a lot of the folks who are just >entering the scene getting swept up in the drug end of things and often >missing the point of enjoying the loud music and the chance to see your >freaky friends. I don't think all raves should be drug free (a free drug >rave would be cool, though!), but I think that it would be really nice to >have a couple of smallish parties (like maybe 200 people) with good >music, nice visuals, smart drinks, etc. etc. etc. and not have to worry >about the drug thing for just one night, ya know? I think that it would >be really fun! I rave sober a lot down here, as I drive myself most >places I go and I can't drive after a good eXperience. And you know >what? I still have tons of fun! > *I think that would be a great idea to have a sober rave. I'm not against drug USE either, but I am against drug ABUSE. There are too many people I have seen fall to drug ABUSE and I hate the way raves are always catorgorized (sp?) by most people as DRUGFESTS. I think a Sober party would be great! >It kinda gets to you when you come ot from behind the decks and some 15 >year old kid come up to you baked outta their mind and tells you how >great your set was n'stuff... Not that I have anything against >fifteen-year-old kids, but I think, "Man, when I was fifteen, I was all >worried about school n'stuff and I was freaked out about what was going >to happen as I continued to grow up and this and that..." and I remember >that it was a lot to deal with sober! Add to that the mania of the Scene >and drugs! I dunno. Maybe the kids today are of a stronger stock than >the kids of my day. > *I don't know how old you Are Noah but when I was a 15 year old (back in the day!)I started going to raves (1989!)and it was almost the same deal then only It was alot diffrent back then-there was a kind of general innocence (even in LA!) to the whole raving deal. I think the kids were just as hardned as today, but there was a diffrent attitude towards raves too. >Drug use is a personal choice, and I wouldn't want to make anyone's >decisions for them. > *Definatley-but, remember USE not ABUSE >But a party is also, in the most technical sense, a private affair and >the host has the right to lay down a few groundrules. And if I saw a >flyer with a good lineup, a good location, smart drinks, etc. etc. and >then noticed it said, "Hey and by the way, let's do this one sober, >okay?" I wouldn't just toss the thing down and say, "Well if I can't have >my drugs than I'm not going!" But there are a lot of people in the Scene >that would. > >That's the part that worries me. >* I used to think that if I wasn't high on something at a party it just wasn't going to be a great experience. But when I actually started going sober (which I try to more often thease days) after a couple of parties it was almost the same as going high. There was a thread not too long ago that talked about what the state of the scene was in , One of things that bothers me is about the dealers- it used to be pretty discreet and if someone was having trouble with thier "X"perience people would help them out-now it's like along with the line of promoters there is the line of dealers and alot dealers that are there soley to profit from selling some BUNK SHIT-to kids who don't know any better. It would be great to not neccisarly do away with but deemphize the drugs emphize the music again-and find out what raving really is about- Excuse the length, Take Care- (Dj)Raf(*One) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 18:23:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2134 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 18:23:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 2124 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 18:23:20 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 18:23:20 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-12.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.12]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id KAA15065 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:23:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3474809E.4C5E@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:25:34 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Help Re: NRR: recent hard times References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk blkadder@value.net wrote: > Step #1: Put a filter in place directing all his mail to the trash. > > Step #2: thanks BA I have no filters so i cant do that. But i have reported it to his isp and asked him to stop as required by law. I hope it doesnt reach the point that i need to involve the police or brian thanks for your help. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 18:39:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9049 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 18:39:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 9036 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 18:39:17 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 18:39:17 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.59] ([38.248.198.59] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19777 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:39:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19971120024208.670.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:39:33 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Friends and Acquaintances Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk the amazing eddie daggett said... >You know, I've made some very long lasting friendships with wonderful >people at parties. They've been with me through some really crazy and >embarrassing times. I think it's like anything else. You don't make >friends with everybody and it's difficult to have a conversation with all >the noise, anyway. > >Peace All, >Eddie > some of you may know this ... some don't ... but eddie, who's been very well-behaved since he's been on sfraves for a month or two (thanks, sweetie!) is one of my closest friends in the the world.... (ok, now *that* secret's out, he's free to run amok and flame away on his own, I bear no responsibility, ok?!?) ;^) and i met him at a cocktail party given by friends who i knew through the club scene... when eddie and i met more than four years ago, we were both crazy clubbers, but neither had been introduced to the underground rave scene.... which happened soon after we me, simultaneously for us, though i lived in the city here, and he lived in seattle then.... and that first night, we went out dancing together to the Box when it was at the Kennel Club.... i've done a little "mental inventory" of my closest friends... and of about 8 people who I consider my truest and most trusted friends, I met ALL BUT ONE of them while I was dancing! Yep, a long-time boyfriend, met dancing at Wicked. My friend Sara, met dancing in the street at gay pride (with Eddie!)... (ok, Greg doesn't actually dance.... but I met him at parties so that counts!)... Jimmy, we met while dancing at Wicked....... Aaron was at ComeUnity one night when I went with Jimmie.... it goes on and on. It's ironic that the commonality of interest in dance music, dance culture, etc. is what brings us together .... but the actual environment keeps us from truly connecting AT THAT TIME.... The ONLY reason these people are my true friends today is that one or both of us made a very conscious choice to build the relationship further, to take the time to get a phone number .... and to CALL IT!!! To spend time talking on the phone getting to know them, then to go out together again, then to make plans to do things that are completely outside the dance scene. Building friendships is work, it's an investment of time and energy, it means making a conscious decision to do it, recognizing when you really click with someone and like being around them... and then doing something about it... Friends don't just happen, they are something you aim for and work for .... and it's well worth it.... Some of you met Eddie when he came to visit last June, and hopefully he'll be here in December for Harmony's Beautiful People (or else!) ... I agree about how shallow it feels to spend an entire night saying "hi how are you?" and "sorry, I forgot your name again!" .... but it is through meeting so many wonderful people that we can find those special few who are meant to be our friends for life. love, leslie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 18:48:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12397 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 18:48:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 12387 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 18:48:35 -0000 Received: from viking.dvc.edu (192.235.0.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 18:48:35 -0000 Received: by viking.dvc.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0xYbiz-002QXZC; Thu, 20 Nov 97 10:53 PST Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:53:13 -0800 (PST) From: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: *** Toon-Town Page Question *** Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello! Looking through the Toon Town page and its original dj's that started it off, I was wondering whatever happened to: - Buck? - Hosh Gurelli? Have a nice day! :-} From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 19:16:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25135 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 19:16:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 25126 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 19:16:47 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 19:16:47 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.59] ([38.248.198.59] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19837 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:16:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3472C0B5.826@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:17:06 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Sober Raving & Choices Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You know, I'm torn on this one.... on the one hand, one of the key elements that make raving what it is is FUN.... I mean, we have more fun in one night than lots of people have in an entire year! It blows me away how much pure happiness I can experience at a party. and sometimes, that fun includes altering our moods and perceptions with substances.... and frankly, some of these experiences have changed my life. on the other hand, i see, WAY too often, people abusing these substances.... people who are at a party where there is music, dancing, people, lights, decorations, total sensory overload... but they're so high, they don't even know what's going on.. and THAT'S NOT FUN!!! To me, it is not raving, it is ANTI-raving!!! if you're so fucked up, you don't know where you are.... YOU'RE NOT AT THE PARTY ANY MORE!!! if you're so high you can't get up from the floor, or your eyes are rolling back in your head, or you think you're superman and you can fly or you've slipped into a fantasy world that you can't get out of, or you're in a GHB "coma"..... then YOU'RE NOT AT THE PARTY ANY MORE! if you're so high, you're having sex in the middle of the chill space where everyone can see, then YOU'RE NOT AT THE PARTY ANY MORE!!! if you're so high, your body can't take it, and your heart is pounding, and your health is at risk so an ambulance needs to be called, YOU'RE NOT AT THE PARTY ANY MORE ... AND maybe no one else is either because that party may be shut down because of you! sorry to scream about this, but there's a difference between changing your perception of the environment that you're in .... and getting so fucked up you aren't interacting with your environment any more. a difference between having a good time at a party, and using the premises of a party as a space for a drug-fest. An all-sober party? I don't care, I sort of like parties with a mix of energies that comes from different people's choices.... but it sure would be nice to go to a party where I never have to go over and make sure that someone is OK because they seem so out of it... maybe what I want is an all-conscious party... where everyone knows what they're doing and why. If you do think you can't party with drugs, let me tell you that you can. try it, and see that the party itself gives you plenty of mind-altering options. and then, if and when you do make those occasional rational and informed choices, you'll get much more positive benefit from it... but you'll still be having FUN *every* time you go out!!! love, leslie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 19:24:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26959 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 19:24:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 26948 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 19:24:45 -0000 Received: from xinet.com (131.106.1.41) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 19:24:45 -0000 Received: from [131.106.110.23] by xinet.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id LAA06747; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:24:13 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:24:14 -0800 To: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu>, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: *** Toon-Town Page Question *** Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 10:53 AM -0800 11/20/97, 96fa295 wrote: >Hello! > >Looking through the Toon Town page and its original dj's that started it >off, I was wondering whatever happened to: > >- Buck? There's a DJ Buck in Vancouver now...? TR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 19:33:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29069 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 19:33:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 29060 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 19:33:29 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 19:33:29 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15355 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA14119; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:49:54 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:58:31 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: Re: *** Toon-Town Page Question *** Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Hello! > >Looking through the Toon Town page and its original dj's that started it >off, I was wondering whatever happened to: > >- Buck? >- Hosh Gurelli? > >Have a nice day! :-} can you fwd the site address to me? Toon Town is a legendery party, no? I rememeber hearing about that and a Rave called Sharon way back, when I was on the east coast. They were among the very first partties, right? Or just simply the first massives? b))m parties to throw before I kick it: A Rave Called Leslie A Rave Called Moshe From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 19:36:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29898 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 19:36:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 29890 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 19:36:51 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 19:36:51 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id LAA22915; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:34:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347493C1.F045EBCA@best.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:47:13 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "U.A.A." CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Sunday morn with danny and jer References: <199711200239.UAA29580@galaxy.galstar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey man... none of it could of been possible if it hadn't been for such a great scene that we are a part of, and if that party had been put on any differently, it all might not of happened! THANX EVERYONE!!! =) it's a really great thing when you finally figure out why everything is the way it is. Funny thing is, it didn't end there Herb, it continued on with the drive home with Hope, and at home with a very intellectual conversation with Fremont Brian. It all ended with a theory/philosophy that makes more sense than anything me or Brian have ever heard or thought of. Brian told me about Einstein's "Grand Unification Theory", and how it was incomplete. What me and Brian came up with seems to complete it, a theory that ties all the sciences together, and makes everything we know, think, and do make complete sense! It could very well be the most amazing discovery since the begining of time. I'll tell ya about it soon Herb, you'll understand! =) peace.jer U.A.A. wrote: > > it all started out (actually the party ended) and it was time to clean up. > There weren't alot of people left to clean but you know it had to be done. > > I looked around and saw jer and danny and a few others and thought okay I just > need my feet to stop hurting and with some help we can clean up. > > Well the situation arose that we needed a truck and Jer was there so I asked > he said sure and it turns out he had a shell on his truck. Bonus seeing how it > was raining. So time comes for us to call upon jer only to find that he isn't > there. Ack david made due without it but I have never seen a rabbit so loaded > before in my life. Talk about bass in the trunk. Anyways the morning goes on > and so does cleaning. A certain person starts to freak cuz jeremy has been gone > a while and he was her ride home. Someone remebers jer saying that he was > going to take someguy home (aka the naked guy) and so we all thought thats > where they had run off too. Around 10 something here comes danny and jer > stumbling into the room with the most confused yet happy faces. I smiled and > asked where they had been for the past couple of hours. Jer replied "upstairs > with that guy trying talking philosphy" They began to go through the > conversations they had had and all the wierd thoughts and ideas that ran > through their minds. It was great. I totally had been therebefore and I > was almost envious cuz they got to share that moment together. > > ts nto that often that you truly feel like you grasp concepts and ideas that > pertain to how you fit in with the rest of the universe and it is something > to remember when you do. > > I want to send out a big thank you and hugs to jer and danny for all the > smiles and conversations, thought and ideas in the morning thought I prolly > didn't sound that interested at the time I really was listening I was jsut > a bit exhausted. > > You two rock = ) > > Love, > > Herb From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 19:37:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 619 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 19:37:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 608 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 19:37:45 -0000 Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 19:37:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19971120193729.15778.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [147.128.136.84] by send1a; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:37:29 PST Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:37:29 -0800 (PST) From: Hai La Subject: what rambling.. To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk what chance this must be to meet you in this world.. what chance that i could be this happy.. what knowledge could i learn from this magical encounter.. what love could i give and carry away.. what length of time could it keep me warm from the blizzards that often sweep my heart.. what joy it is to know a person like you like me.. are we having a wonderful day?? i sent out the sfraves laminants to those who requested. if i forget you, write me love letter. believe it incredibly i met the creator of the design at viberation. her name is sherie (sorry but not really sure). thank you sherie.. have a productive, hard working day.. hugss... hai From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 19:46:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5220 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 19:46:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 5210 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 19:46:30 -0000 Received: from fillmore.criticalpath.net (209.104.216.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 19:46:30 -0000 Received: (cpmta 26681 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 19:46:03 GMT Received: from compare14.grin.net (HELO compare.net) (208.225.136.14) by compare.net.criticalpath.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 11:46:03 -0800 X-CriticalPath-Timestamp: 20 Nov 1997 19:46:03 GMT Message-ID: <347494A9.FAD66772@compare.net> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:51:05 -0800 From: steve X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SFRaves Subject: Pure Space Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hiya, Anyone going to Pure Space tonite? I am hoping to attend after the VERVE show at the Warfield. Just curious and bored at work. Cheers, Steve. Who hears not the music thinks the dancers mad -- And now, a shameless plug for my workplace! Before you buy: http://www.compare.net/ Information is Power From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 19:48:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6095 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 19:48:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 6087 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 19:48:47 -0000 Received: from viking.dvc.edu (192.235.0.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 19:48:47 -0000 Received: by viking.dvc.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0xYcfF-002QWvC; Thu, 20 Nov 97 11:53 PST Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:53:24 -0800 (PST) From: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: *** Toon Town Answer... *** Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The URL is: www.sfstation.com/toontown There's also a brief article in the new XLR8R about Toontown- "Old School Revival" Much love everyone! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 19:50:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6851 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 19:50:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 6842 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 19:50:46 -0000 Received: from viking.dvc.edu (192.235.0.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 19:50:46 -0000 Received: by viking.dvc.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0xYchE-002QXIC; Thu, 20 Nov 97 11:55 PST Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:55:28 -0800 (PST) From: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: *** Re: Pure Space *** Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yes, tonights Pure Space should be a dandy for all the house heads out there! ====== Thursday, November 20th - _Pure Space_ Mark Farina, Jeno, Josh, Spun. Lightshows by Donovan & FU-KUU Hi-Fi. Free vegie food by Adnan/Eddie. 10pm-??, 21+. VSF, 278 11th St., SF. 415.487.7691 ====== From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 20:01:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10537 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 20:01:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 10529 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 20:01:40 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 20:01:40 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id LAA11310; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:58:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34749937.971FEA30@best.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:10:31 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aminita CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org, MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: Let's help him out. *!EXPOSED!* References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk These stupid letters are so lame... I've seen these going around in a lot of different forms..... like someone has some rare disease and for every person the message is sent to, someone will donate 5 cents. BAH! I think it's just another way the mass-mailers build a database of valid e-mail address to sell! when you send the message to me, I get added to the database. It really sucks. hmmmm awaiting my cool gift, jer =) aminita wrote: > > THIS IS NOT A CHAIN LETTER... so please read all the way through :-) > > To whomever is receiving this message: > > After receiving countless forwards at school claiming that everyone > in this world knows each other, I decided I wanted to try this theory > myself, and use it as my thesis for my sociology class. > > The purpose of this experiment is to see how many e-mails I can receive > from people whom I don't know, who are somehow are connected to people > that I do know. I am also curious to see how many people > actually continue to send this e-mail on. Please forward this to > as many people as you know, and send it also to me at my school > e-mail address. For example, if you sent it to Jon123@aol.com, > Mike123@aol.com, and Chris123@aol.com...also send it to me at > MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU. This is my address at school where I will be > recording and tallying the results. > > PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THE ADDRESS THAT SENT THIS MESSAGE TO YOU. > Instead, please forward this message to all of your friends and > send a copy to me at "MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU" Thanks again for your > help with my sociology project. Those who write back to me will > receive a COOL gift via e-mail. > > Please do not continue to forward this message after December 1,1997. > > Thanks. > > MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 20:04:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11773 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 20:04:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 11763 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 20:04:48 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 20:04:48 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA08729; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:04:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971120120552.00693680@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:05:52 -0800 To: just jer From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: Let's help him out. *!EXPOSED!* Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <34749937.971FEA30@best.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I tried to do this one, and the address you're supposed to reply to doesn't even exist...so, don't even waste your time on this crap! At 12:10 PM 11/20/97 -0800, you wrote: >These stupid letters are so lame... I've seen these going around in a >lot of different forms..... like someone has some rare disease and for >every person the message is sent to, someone will donate 5 cents. BAH! > >I think it's just another way the mass-mailers build a database of valid >e-mail address to sell! when you send the message to me, I get added to >the database. It really sucks. > >hmmmm awaiting my cool gift, jer =) > >aminita wrote: >> >> THIS IS NOT A CHAIN LETTER... so please read all the way through :-) >> >> To whomever is receiving this message: >> >> After receiving countless forwards at school claiming that everyone >> in this world knows each other, I decided I wanted to try this theory >> myself, and use it as my thesis for my sociology class. >> >> The purpose of this experiment is to see how many e-mails I can receive >> from people whom I don't know, who are somehow are connected to people >> that I do know. I am also curious to see how many people >> actually continue to send this e-mail on. Please forward this to >> as many people as you know, and send it also to me at my school >> e-mail address. For example, if you sent it to Jon123@aol.com, >> Mike123@aol.com, and Chris123@aol.com...also send it to me at >> MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU. This is my address at school where I will be >> recording and tallying the results. >> >> PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THE ADDRESS THAT SENT THIS MESSAGE TO YOU. >> Instead, please forward this message to all of your friends and >> send a copy to me at "MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU" Thanks again for your >> help with my sociology project. Those who write back to me will >> receive a COOL gift via e-mail. >> >> Please do not continue to forward this message after December 1,1997. >> >> Thanks. >> >> MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU > > ================================================= ************************************************* "Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 20:17:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16057 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 20:17:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 15999 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 20:17:07 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 20:17:07 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA13078 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA12929; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:41:29 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:50:11 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: Re: Let's help him out. Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, aminita wrote: > >> >> THIS IS NOT A CHAIN LETTER... so please read all the way through :-) > >No, it sounds more like a mail bomb. Please folks, don't pass this stuff >around. You are really doing no one any favors.... > > Black Adder The address for response has since been changed. Please forward all responses to ~~~~~) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: To whomever is receiving this message: After receiving countless forwards at school claiming that everyone in this world knows each other, I decided I wanted to try this theory myself, and use it as my thesis for my sociology class. The purpose of this experiment is to see how many e-mails I can receive from people whom I don't know, who are somehow are connected to people that I do know. I am also curious to see how many people actually continue to send this e-mail on. Please forward this to as many people as you know, and send it also to me at my school e-mail address. For example, if you sent it to Jon123@aol.com, Mike123@aol.com, and Chris123@aol.com...also send it to me at MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU. This is my address at school where I will be recording and tallying the results. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THE ADDRESS THAT SENT THIS MESSAGE TO YOU. Instead, please forward this message to all of your friends and send a copy to me at "MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU" Thanks again for your help with my sociology project. Those who write back to me will receive a COOL gift via e-mail. Please do not continue to forward this message after December 1,1997. Thanks. MJLENNER@WAM.UMD.EDU From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 20:27:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20428 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 20:27:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 20410 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 20:27:13 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 20:27:13 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17853 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA14984; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:21:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:29:39 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: ed leech talk to me baby (nrr, paging) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 20:34:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24217 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 20:34:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 24202 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 20:34:07 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 20:34:07 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA18890; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:33:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca11-02.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.226) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018844; Thu Nov 20 14:33:07 1997 Message-ID: <34749E78.B4AF4905@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:32:56 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: *** Toon-Town Page Question *** References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Buck moved up to canada, after touring Europe for a few years, He is still on several lables ,and doing major remixing with this female dj name Tiger??? or something like that... I have a contact number if anyone wants it. Keep it real Vlad 96fa295 wrote: > Hello! > > Looking through the Toon Town page and its original dj's that started it > off, I was wondering whatever happened to: > > - Buck? > - Hosh Gurelli? > > Have a nice day! :-} From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 20:39:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26327 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 20:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 26319 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 20:39:31 -0000 Received: from xinet.com (131.106.1.41) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 20:39:31 -0000 Received: from [131.106.110.23] by xinet.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id MAA11649; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:39:02 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:39:01 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Vestax PMC-17A thoughts? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk =46or the money I hear this is a good buy. Step2K guys have one and it sounded pretty damn good. Anyone have thoughts on it or other suggestions in the $300 mixer range? 3 channel europe style DJ mixer for trans/techno =B7 60 mm input fader =B7 3 phono inputs =B7 5 line inputs =B7 4 mic inputs [What the...??] =B7 3 band equalizer, Bal, TRIM with each channel =B7 2 band equalizer with mic channel =B7 1 effect send/return =B7 PFL stereo monitor system =B7 User replaceable crossfader =B7 Optional rotary channel fader available (DF-17). Also, does anyone have a line on these anywhere other than Zebra records in the Lower Haight? Thanks! Tone From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 21:08:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7171 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 21:08:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 7159 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 21:08:01 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 21:08:01 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13343 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA13041; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:53:24 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:02:01 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: Re: love (NRR) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >love is... Tony, take my "alternate address" off your list! I was joking! -boomerang ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (Name server: shit.pants: host not found) Status: U ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: shit.pants: host not found) Final-Recipient: RFC822; ohmygod@shit.pants Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; shit.pants Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:58:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [206.169.229.38] (tokyo-38.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.38]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA23311; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:58:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:58:07 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: deepfog@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "You're Busted!" From: Deepfog Subject: love Cc: Mr nStuff , aaronschottenfeld@rocketmail.com, ohmygod@shit.pants, Boomerang Fidget:;:;@ love is... 2 grilled cheese sandwiches with a couple of glasses of cheap wine at 2 o'clock in the morning. and a cigarette from ryan's donation cup. =] [[nStuff}} are you all ready? on 3! hi jeff! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 22:27:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5742 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 22:27:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 5727 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 22:27:10 -0000 Received: from f2.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.13) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 22:27:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 15735 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 1997 22:26:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19971120222642.15734.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.165 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:26:41 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.165] From: "Break Dancer" To: fish1111@pacbell.net, blkadder@value.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, brian@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Help Re: NRR: recent hard times Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:26:41 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hehehe.. stoop down to his level.. have a little fun.. nd FLOOD HIM:) dats what i would... the hax0r i am ;) hehehehe please.. no flame :) this is just a joke... kinda Philly's (finally) Blunted disordr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 22:49:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11678 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 22:49:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 11670 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 22:49:31 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 22:49:31 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA15774 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:48:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca8-09.ix.netcom.com(207.92.172.73) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009157; Thu Nov 20 15:42:47 1997 Message-ID: <3474AEC2.12A962CC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:42:26 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: Questions and Answers about Spirit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Due to an overwhelming number of questions that people are e-mailing me about the party, I figured I would address them openly, cause it seems to me like many other people would probably have the same questions also. The Following are the answers only to the most common questions: 1. The location is in Oakland, Very close to bart. 2. Yes it is a warehouse. 3. No its not a virgin warehouse. 4. There has not been a party there for many months. 5. Yes, it is indoor and outdoor. 6. It is limited in capacity because NOT the entire space will be used for the party. 7. If there are any pre sales left over then, yes, the will be sold at the door. 8. Yes, we expect all the tickets to get sold in advance. 9. Yes, You do get $5 off at Big Floor on Sat with your advance ticket stub. 10. Yes, you do get a free gift if you bring a ticket stub from any other FGE party. 11. No, we are not selling any advance tickets on friday the 28th... 12. Yes, many of the pre sale outlets will be closed on Thanksgiving Day.. Thursday Nov. 27th... so Yes, Wednesday the 26th will be the last day for many of you to buy tickets. 13. The correct phone numbers for Rock-On is 707-422-2080 (fairfield) and for Cafe Kaldi is 415-457-6562 (san rafeal)... sorry. 14. The DJ lineup will be posted by Wednesday the 26th. 15. YES.. Tickets are selling VERY fast. 16. No, there is no additional discount for bringing donations of Food, Blankets, Toys, or Clothes, BUT... you have our deepest appreciation for your donation to the needy. 17. Yes, We will be glad to inform everyone of how much money was raised, and to whom it was donated to, hopefully the rave community will get some positive press over it, and when you read about it in the papers... you can say that you were there and your support helped make that donation possible :) 18. Yes, There will be Free Water. 19. Yes, You can bring candy and fruit to share with your friends. 20. Yes, the doors will open on time @ 9 pm sharp. 21. NO, there will not be a long and disorganized line (this is a Feel Good Party!) 22. Yes, there will be a chill room. 23. Yes, there will be a laser (maybe 2) 24. Yes, you will still enjoy the party if you come sober... (you might even enjoy it more) 25. Yes, the one dollar service charge on the tickets goes directly to the stores as a handling fee for selling them, it does not go to us. 26. Yes three will be a drawing @ 2 am that everyone is automatically entered in, for MANY wonderful prizes, and gift packs. 27. YES... This is gona be an incredible party!!! if you still have more questions, please e-mail me, or... Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html I'm sorry I have not been able to answer everyone's questions personally, but we have been way too busy setting up the party. and YES....WE LOVE YOU ALL!!! :) Yours in the Commitment to PLUR.... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 23:42:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27522 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 23:42:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 27513 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 23:42:28 -0000 Received: from m13.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.193) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 23:42:28 -0000 Received: (from edleech@juno.com) by m13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SWK27973; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:41:19 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:04:02 -0800 Subject: NRR: Plans and (poetry BP) Message-ID: <19971120.153908.9774.4.edleech@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5,11-12,23-31 From: edleech@juno.com (Ed Leech) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello everyone and peace be with you. First off, Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their suggestions w.r.t. my immigration problems. I'm sorry to have to say that I will be leaving in or around the1st week of January. Don't worry the plan is to come back soon and be legal with a job! In case I forget later I Just wanted to say Thank you to everyone that I have met for making my time here by far the best year of my life. I must mention the XOR crew ( Jeff and Ari )as they are mostly to blame for the Kick ass time I've had but also special thanks to Byroni for being there for me too.There are obviously loads of others to mention but you'll get bored if I do. Secondly I don't know if it's because I'm all emotional about having to leave or not but I wanted to mention a book of poetry I was given at Wonder. It is one of the most meaningful thought provoking things I have ever read. I can honestly say within a few short pages I was laughing out loud and then fighting back the tears. This guy I don't REALLY know but whom I consider to be a friend and funky dude with the most random imaginations gave it to me, (the book that is). I think he should continue to write and get them published cuz I loved them. His name is Peter and we all know him as Boomerang fidget. Please try to purchase his poems. It's a small price to pay for something that will change as you do and you will have forever. love English Ed xx Be alert............Your country needs Lerts. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 23:50:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29140 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 23:50:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 29131 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 23:50:07 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 23:50:07 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (congo-77.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.227.77]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA24634; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:49:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:49:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711202349.PAA24634@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: meherr@mail.wenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.otg From: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr Subject: plurity Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The Dream In a world filled with chaos and confusion,our community of positivity has become an escape from reality- a time to try and forget about the world's problems and strife. But now,it seems, politics and greed have come in way of a great goal. Raving started as parties, a place to go and have a good time while listening to incredible music.Now raving has become a chore. we ddon't dance,we don't share ourselves or our ideas. Ravers have become selfish and hypocritical. Cliques and rampant drug use have taken over the dream. It's about who u know and what u can do, not about the love of the MUSIC,the PEOPLE, or the ENERGY we can create TOGETHER.Remember your first party. Did you care about who you knew or what drugs u did???? Most of us didn't, you just went and heard incredible music and had a good time. Raving should be a chance to escape from the bullshit of our world,but our perspective of life has become so shallow and conceited that we can't lood beyond or own oride and give someone else the credit or the love. OUR GOAL should be to keep the scene alive and to make PLUR a reality, not a thing of the past. PEACE,LOVE,UNITY,RESPECT. UNDERGROUND HOUSE MOVEMENT 1998 __ Mary Ellen Herr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 23:54:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 950 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 23:54:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 932 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 23:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www10.web2010.com) (root@209.25.44.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 23:54:48 -0000 Received: from [130.212.201.150] (madmax-150.sfsu.edu [130.212.201.150]) by www10.web2010.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA07939 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:54:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711202354.SAA07939@www10.web2010.com> Subject: --= LIFE FORCE IS BACK!!?? =-- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 15:50:41 -0000 x-sender: liquidhg3@liquidmercury.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: * sherry * To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey kids, I was just wondering if any of you have heard anything about a party in Las Vegas being thrown by the same guy who threw LIFE FORCE!? If so I'd really like some more info on it. I heard it via the grape vine and just wanted to know if it was just a rumor or what. thanks....peace, love, and rave till dawn sherry / mercury From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 00:10:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3503 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 00:10:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 3485 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 00:10:11 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 00:10:11 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28053; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA19059; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:03:41 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:12:24 -0800 To: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: Re: plurity Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hmmm... Raving is indeed a chore. It's a physically exhausting journey to another dimension. Dance until you throw up. And then dance some more. But what you describe ain't my world. Maybe I'm naif. Or maybe just a dork. b))merang hey, check out my new website: www.toofriggindorky/boomerang is a dork//dork/html >The Dream > >In a world filled with chaos and confusion,our community of positivity has >become an escape >from reality- a time to try and forget about the world's problems and >strife. But now,it seems, >politics and greed have come in way of a great goal. Raving started as >parties, a place to go and have a good time while listening to incredible >music.Now raving has become a chore. we ddon't dance,we don't share >ourselves or our ideas. Ravers have become selfish and hypocritical. Cliques >and rampant drug use have taken over the dream. It's about who u know and >what u can do, not about the love of the MUSIC,the PEOPLE, or the ENERGY we >can create TOGETHER.Remember your first party. Did you care about who you >knew or what drugs u did???? Most of us didn't, you just went and heard >incredible music and had a good time. Raving should be a chance to escape >from the bullshit of our world,but our perspective of life has become so >shallow and conceited that we can't lood beyond or own oride and give >someone else the credit or the love. OUR GOAL should be to keep the scene >alive and to make PLUR a reality, not a thing of the past. >PEACE,LOVE,UNITY,RESPECT. UNDERGROUND HOUSE MOVEMENT 1998 >__ >Mary Ellen Herr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 00:13:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4329 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 00:13:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 4319 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 00:13:07 -0000 Received: from get.wired.com (HELO wired.com) (204.62.131.5) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 00:13:07 -0000 Received: from [204.62.132.110] (ar.hotwired.com [204.62.132.110]) by wired.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07946; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:13:06 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: benitez@get.hotwired.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:11:50 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Brian Benitez Subject: BSP - Goldie LIVE at the Beta Lounge Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Just a quick note to let you all know that Goldie will be playing at the Beta Lounge on Saturday, 11/22, at 1:30 PM Pacific time. You can check it all out, in glorious Graham-cam and RealAudio, at: http://www.betalounge.com/ -- Brian From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 00:28:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8589 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 00:28:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 8563 invoked by uid 24); 21 Nov 1997 00:27:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 2937 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 22:15:42 -0000 Received: from steam.ionix.net (jason@140.174.242.150) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 22:15:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (jason@localhost) by steam.ionix.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA12998; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:25:12 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:25:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Sneed To: sfraves@hyperreal.org cc: jason@x-radio.com Subject: x-radio netcast friday 10am - 3pm pst Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Here we go... Live x-radio netcast friday 10am - 3pm pst http://www.x-radio.com The Jungle Love (sf) resident djs + x-radio residents Three-D and Seven At the pace of the current local... peace out jason@x-radio.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 00:28:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8681 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 00:28:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 8671 invoked by uid 24); 21 Nov 1997 00:28:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 20648 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 05:54:46 -0000 Received: from shell9.ba.best.com (jrmiddle@206.184.139.140) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 05:54:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (jrmiddle@localhost) by shell9.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13635; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:54:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:54:41 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Middleton To: My Happy Tribe , cloudfactory@cloudfactory.org Subject: Byte of Brian Behlendorf Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Excuse if this is a repost...I've been unsubbed from sfraves for a while. Just got my latest issue of Byte (guess that pegs me as a geek...albeit a cross-platform geek :), and in an article on free software (you know, perl, apache, linux, gcc, etc...), our friend and the reason for this list Brian is mentioned twice...not exactly quoted, but his opinions are echoed. Good show brian! yer my hero. /justin ps...december 1997 byte, volume 22 number 12, p 110, 2nd col, last para, and p 112, 1st col, last para. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin R. Middleton justin@bigpants.com "DangdawhutwiddaldemthangsnsuchmancannevengetstartedisslikeBAMandgottastartrsumthin" -Boomhauer From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 00:28:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8758 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 00:28:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 8745 invoked by uid 24); 21 Nov 1997 00:28:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 5775 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 18:32:20 -0000 Received: from uucp14.netcom.com (HELO netcomsv.netcom.com) (163.179.3.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 18:32:20 -0000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by netcomsv.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) id KAA06625 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:32:16 -0800 (PST) From: sarchibald@nummi.com >Received: from notes2.adm.nummi.com (notes2.adm.nummi.com [150.45.22.70]) by loki.is.nummi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA17718 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:23:18 -0800 Received: from notes2.adm.nummi.com (notes2.adm.nummi.com [150.45.22.70]) by loki.is.nummi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA17718 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:23:18 -0800 Received: by notes2.adm.nummi.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 88256555.0063EFA5 ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:11:34 -0800 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NUMMI To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <88256555.0063777C.00@notes2.adm.nummi.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:12:33 -0800 Subject: So, what's going on... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ...for the weekend? Hello Errrrr-vrey1. Just I, Adam (Anakin, Foustus, that dancing guy, or any other alias you might know me by...) just wondering who's doing what this weekend. Looks like I missed out on a killer deal called _Vibration_ on Saturday (sigh, oh well). Soo, what's the haps? Hope to hear from you guys L-8 Adam "Face the truth, no matter how hard it may be." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 00:28:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8824 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 00:28:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 8813 invoked by uid 24); 21 Nov 1997 00:28:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 6992 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 21:07:16 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 21:07:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 11891 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 21:10:34 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 21:10:34 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971120130505.00b4c0b4@deepwell.com> X-Sender: balanced@deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:05:05 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: NRR - Great American Smoke Out In-Reply-To: <19971120001006.11927.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk so, anyone else sitting at work or other wise doing bong rips for the Great American Smoke Out.. heheh.... passdatbadboy, -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 00:40:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11454 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 00:40:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 11320 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 00:40:05 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 00:40:05 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.59] ([38.248.198.59] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20547 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:39:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711202349.PAA24634@mom.hooked.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:39:59 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Re: plurity Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ah, the dead horse has risen again.... >The Dream > >In a world filled with chaos and confusion,our community of positivity has >become an escape (snip) >.Now raving has become a chore. we ddon't dance,we don't share >ourselves or our ideas. Ravers have become selfish and hypocritical. Cliques >and rampant drug use have taken over the dream. It's about who u know and >what u can do, not about the love of the MUSIC,the PEOPLE, or the ENERGY we >can create TOGETHER. (snip snip snip) sorry, but if you think raving is a "chore" and that "we don't dance" and that it's now about "who u know .... etc." ... you are talking about YOURSELF, not about the entire rave scene. try stepping out of your single point of vision of the scene.... and understand that it was here before you, it will be here after you.... and just because *you* may become cynical and disenchanted, it does not mean the entire rave scene is feeling the same way. and just because things ebb and flow, change and evolve, does not mean they are dead. sorry, but if you were at viberation on saturday, you would know exactly what i speak of. or one of many fresh, energetic and happy events that have gone on underground and aboveground throughout the world. never mistake what you see through your own eyes as the only truth there is. sometimes when you think the scene is dead, it's because you need to take a break and re-evaluate what you were expecting of it in the first place. do that, and come back refreshed... i guarantee you'll think the scene has changed for the "better" .... but it will really be you who has changed. love, leslie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 01:10:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29233 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 01:10:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 29225 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 01:10:20 -0000 Received: from f28.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.39) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 01:10:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 8566 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 1997 01:09:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19971121010952.8565.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:09:52 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.23] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, balanced@deepwell.com Subject: Re: NRR - Great American Smoke Out Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:09:52 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > >so, anyone else sitting at work or other wise doing bong rips for the Great >American Smoke Out.. > >heheh.... > >passdatbadboy, >-SolR > when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when ? hehhe peace philly disordr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 01:35:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5681 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 01:35:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 5671 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 01:35:19 -0000 Received: from mrin40.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin40.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.150) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 01:35:19 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA26664 for SFraves@hyperreal.org; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:34:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:34:51 -0500 (EST) From: XGrRLsTrX@aol.com Message-ID: <971120203451_-1239421308@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: SFraves@hyperreal.org Subject: SoO who's gonna get some LOVE on Fri? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm going to <3 LOVE <3 tomorrow nite...anyone else coming? -=~*LaUrE@*~=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 01:35:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6220 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 01:35:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 6212 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 01:35:38 -0000 Received: from host.domain.net (HELO domain.net) (204.107.140.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 01:35:38 -0000 Received: from baal (baal@baal.cp.domain.net [209.104.216.65]) by domain.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA02208 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:35:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Brendan Braybrook" To: Subject: Re: Byte of Brian Behlendorf Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:35:07 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf61d$b3070f00$41d868d1@baal.cp.domain.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Excuse if this is a repost...I've been unsubbed from sfraves for a while. > >Just got my latest issue of Byte (guess that pegs me as a geek...albeit >a cross-platform geek :), and in an article on free software (you know, >perl, apache, linux, gcc, etc...), our friend and the reason for this list >Brian is mentioned twice...not exactly quoted, but his opinions are echoed. brian has some actual quotes in another article on apache, which is online at http://www.salonmagazine.com/21st/feature/1997/11/cov_20feature.html and brian isn't just a hero of the apache project, his selfless giving to the rave community is virtually unmeasurable, as well. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 01:36:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6752 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 01:35:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 6737 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 01:35:57 -0000 Received: from comtch.iea.com (198.17.249.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 01:35:57 -0000 Received: from portal.lcsc.edu (portal.lcsc.edu [192.220.176.7]) by comtch.iea.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29278; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:35:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:38:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Eddie D. Daggett" To: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr cc: sfraves@hyperreal.otg, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: plurity In-Reply-To: <199711202349.PAA24634@mom.hooked.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I can understand your concerns but I have a real problem with reducing a whole group of people and their actions to on thing. Raving may have become some of these things. I have experienced and promoted some of these things in my ignorance but raving is also sfraves, Leslie, Lara, Greg, and all the other groovers who love the music and want to try to learn to live in that vibe (for lack of a better cliche) all the time. Do you really mean to make such a sweeping statement? If you do then it's probably illogical or even futile to post it here because the people here are part of that scene. Please understand that I do really empathise with your point of view but it borderlines on stereotyping, judmentalism, etc. when you say "it has become..." It's so much more than any of us can reduce it to, that's what I love about it. That's what I miss about being hundreds of miles from it. Peace, Eddie On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr wrote: > The Dream > > In a world filled with chaos and confusion,our community of positivity has > become an escape > from reality- a time to try and forget about the world's problems and > strife. But now,it seems, > politics and greed have come in way of a great goal. Raving started as > parties, a place to go and have a good time while listening to incredible > music.Now raving has become a chore. we ddon't dance,we don't share > ourselves or our ideas. Ravers have become selfish and hypocritical. Cliques > and rampant drug use have taken over the dream. It's about who u know and > what u can do, not about the love of the MUSIC,the PEOPLE, or the ENERGY we > can create TOGETHER.Remember your first party. Did you care about who you > knew or what drugs u did???? Most of us didn't, you just went and heard > incredible music and had a good time. Raving should be a chance to escape > from the bullshit of our world,but our perspective of life has become so > shallow and conceited that we can't lood beyond or own oride and give > someone else the credit or the love. OUR GOAL should be to keep the scene > alive and to make PLUR a reality, not a thing of the past. > PEACE,LOVE,UNITY,RESPECT. UNDERGROUND HOUSE MOVEMENT 1998 > __ > Mary Ellen Herr > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 01:42:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10132 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 01:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 10124 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 01:42:45 -0000 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (128.32.206.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 01:42:45 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA28337; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:42:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971120173947.006fc044@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:39:55 -0800 To: just jer , "U.A.A." From: josh sorkin Subject: Re: Sunday morn with danny and jer Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 11:47 AM 11/20/97 -0800, just jer wrote: > What me and Brian came up with seems to >complete it, a theory that ties all the sciences together, and makes >everything we know, think, and do make complete sense! It could very >well be the most amazing discovery since the begining of time. this i gotta hear about...post it! --------------------------------- "do i dare disturb the universe?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 01:57:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12771 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 01:57:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 12453 invoked by uid 76); 21 Nov 1997 01:56:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19971121015653.12452.qmail@hyperreal.org> From: dhchung@hyperreal.org Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.org (SF Raves) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:56:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.org (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL37 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hiatus and Pure Space tonight should be nice, and on Friday, Love THC and the OM party sound pretty good too. I don't have much for Saturday besides the ENIT Festival, which is only partially appropriate for this list (they do have Goldie scheduled). Next week is Thanksgiving, so the calendar will come out on Wednesday. As usual, directions for unsubscribing are at the bottom. Also, when submitting info, please try to send the info in the email message, not as an attachment. Thanks! THE SFR CALENDAR http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Thursday, November 20th - _Hiatus_ Garth, Jeno, Carlos, Resin (live). $7 with flyer. free before 9:30pm. 9pm-3am, 21+, $10. Club 181 , 181 Eddy @ Taylor., SF. Thursday, November 20th - _Pure Space_ Mark Farina, Jeno, Josh, Spun. Lightshows by Donovan & FU-KUU Hi-Fi. Free vegie food by Adnan/Eddie. 10pm-??, 21+. VSF, 278 11th St., SF. 415.487.7691 Friday, November 21st - SF House Collective presents _Love_ Jorge, Melanie, Jeno, Carlos, Jason. 415.615.8559 510.594.4076 Friday, November 21st - The Lounge & Fuz-E presents _T.H.C. (Total House Commitment)_ Rob Doten, DJ Dennis, Joe Harp, DJ Sol. Sacramento. 916.484.4040 Friday, November 21st - OM Records presents OM Lounge a thick, viscous and confusing blend of perplexing beats and mixtures Soulstice, Eighty Mile Beach, Mark Farina, Fluid Motion, Laron. 9pm-, 21+, $7. Justice League, 628 Divisadero, SF. 415.247.7734 Saturday, November 22nd - _ENIT Festival_ Jane's Addiction, Goldie, Funky Tekno Tribe, Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters, ResFest, more tba.... 9pm-6am, . Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, SF. Wednesday, November 26th - _The Green Gorilla Lounge_ Jeno, Spun, John Howard, Solar, M3, Peanut Butter Wolf, PJ. $5 before 11. Once a month. 21+, $7. the Germania, 261 North 2nd St @ Julian, San Jose. 408.747.7728 Wednesday, November 26th - On The One presents Solid one year anniversary exploring the universal sounds of abstract jazzy beats to drum n' bass Paul, Tomas, Darkhorse, Goldilox, DJ Louis (Static Sound System/Bristol UK). $7 before 11. 9pm-3am, $10. the Transmission Theater, 314 11th St @ Folsom, SF. 415.331.1500 ext. O.N.E. Friday, November 27th - Ultra 5 presents _Smarties_ one room - one vibe - one love Donald Glaude, Barry Weaver, DJ Dan, Jeno, Rick V (In Tha Mix), Bryen (In Tha Mix). 415.267.4849 408.984.4033 800.204.3986 916.484.4006 Friday, November 28th - Feel Good Entertainment presents The 'SPIRIT' of Giving: Thanksgiving PLURity VIBE-Fest Carlos, DRC, Tony, Mark Johns, Essence, Vertigo, MODA, Kevin Kind, Kwashi, Ghost & Frank Nitty, Tripnotix & Paucus, Josh Schwab & Corey, Macadio & Micron, The E-Team: DJ EFX & M2000 with Big Ed on congas, Dean Kroh, Moshe, Boomerang Fidget, Deepfog, Bloom, Spinner, Slim, Jeff Taisch, Ulrich, Chillz, Ray Vonie, surprise guests. DJ-Vision, Low-Tek-Land Chill Zone, Visuals by I-Candy, QuestionMark?, LSD and ViewMaster. a large portion of the proceeds will be donated to the Bay Area Homeless Alliance. This will be a smaller and more intimate Feel Good Family Happening in a fully permitted, safe and centrally located Bay Area location. 415.263.0483 510.888.2358 408.881.0785 Friday, November 28th - Square One & Togetha presents _Embrace_ Simon Apex, Markus, DJ Sol, J.P., DJ Dennis, DJ Rockit, Matt G, DJ Scot, Wyatt, Jimmy Zimms, Akira, Jus' tom, Bryen. 916.328.3559 Friday, November 28th - SOCiETY presents _Fairy Tale!_ Sho, Greg Sandler, Trace, Cloud, Stacks, Nemo, Dyloote (LA), Lindsay (LA), DRC. Presale Only. 415.560.9756 Saturday, November 29th - Bigfloor - A New Beginning celebrating 4 years of smiles! Created in the Tribal Funk tradition! Upbeat Arena: DJ Dan, Donald Glaude on 4 turntables, Thomas Michael (LA), Tony, Jason Blakemore (DJ Trance/LA), Doran (LA), David Coleman, Downbeat Dimension: The Mammal (London, aka Thomas-Wicked), Mark Farina, Cut Chemist & Nu-mark (LA, 4 turntables), Z-Trip & Radar (Phoenix, 4 turntables), Faust & Craze (Atlanta, 4 turntables), Charlotte the Baroness, Laron, more TBA. Proceeds from this event will be donated to benefit the Haight Ashbury Free Clinics. The BIGFLOOR has an _unlimited_ capacity! Don't stress about presale tickets. 415.905.4476 510.906.5339 Saturday, November 29th - Space Children presents the third annual Be Here Now exclusive live performance by Eat Static (UK), U.S. debut live performance by drum n' bass legend A Guy Called Gerald (UK), U.S. debut live performance by The Sugar Experiment Station (Scotland, aka Neil Landstrumm & Tobias Schmidt), Sativae Records founder Dave Tarrida (Scotland), Barry Weaver, Cesar, Graeme, Rock n' the House with DJ Preston, Galen, Planet Dog records founder Michael Dog (UK). limited $20 presale tix available soon. capacity limited to only 2000 Space Children, so pick up an advance ticket to secure your place. Maritime Hall, 450 Harrison St, SF. 415.675.4700 510.461.SPACE Saturday, November 29th - Get On It Productions presents _Sonic Boom_ Orbit, Radius, Max Alert, Scribbles, Panic, outdoor stage: Tina K, Sid, happy kill, Traffic, Devotion, special guests TBA. Visuals by freelance of LA. located 3 hours south of SF. visalia. 800.971.7896 800.971.8396 Sunday, November 30th - _Stompy Dig-In SF_ Mark Farina, Jonene, Preston, Buggin' Out and the Terrorist Society with jungle teknicians...Noel, Andrew Rawnsley, Push, Solar. noon-10pm, 21+, $13. 278 11th St, SF. Friday, December 5th - Deep deep/progressive house, techno, etc. Forest Green, Monty, BioJeff. First Friday of each month. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Il Pirata, 2007 16th St @ Potrero, SF. Saturday, December 6th - Togetha presents _Fun For Kids_ a Christmas toy drive for less fortunate children in Sacramento. Rick Preston, Matt G, Flash, Markus, J.P., John Michael, DJ Dennis, Mike Moss, Jus'tom, DJ Sol. Free with packaged toy donation Sacramento. 916.484.3791 Sunday, December 7th - _A Gathering in People's Park_ Treavor (Moontribe), Greg Sandler (Harmony), Linda Love, Shoam (A.R.M.), Tha Roman (yougoodmissy soundsystem), Michael (ygm/LA). Please bring a can of food to donate to the Berkeley Emergency Food Project 11am-6pm, All ages, Free. People's Park, , Berkeley. 510.308.1LOV(e) Friday, December 12nd - Psychophunkadelicious Productions presents _Playground_ Pyro, Micron, Thorfio, Macadio, Vertigo, Jelo & Fubari (XOR tag team), SK3, Science, Hak, Siphon, Sam, Pengo, Deepfog, Jeph, 64K, Lori, other special guests. This will be an epic underground event, dedicated to the SFRaves family experience. This party will be in an indoor centralized SF location. Tix on sale December 1st. SF. Saturday, December 20th - AmpedOnEntertainment presents _The Boondocks: Your 2nd Trip_ Amped OnEntertainment would like to invite everyone who showed up and Entered the Boondocks to join us for the second trip. Ghost (Ghostribe), Jeno, Garth, Pete Avila, Rafriki (Amped OnE). $15 b4 11:00 so arrive early. 9pm-, 18+. 1.800.956.2515 Saturday, December 20th - BMP presents _Candyland_ Tripnotix, Jon Bishop, Jazz-E, Ghost, Simon, Essence, Paucus. Visuals by LSD, Multimedia Meltdown. $5 discount w/canned food. 800.611.2299 800.745.6464 415.263.0849 510.273.9083 916.491.1954 Saturday, December 27th - the Harmony Family presents _Beautiful People_ Bringing the Harmony Family back together! Costumes encouraged. Presale tix available soon - $20. Only 500 tickets will be sold. We have a beautiful space just 15 minutes from SF 408.486.9591 Wednesday, December 31st - _Come/Unity_ 415.241.8815 Wednesday, December 31st - Get On It Productions presents _EPIC_ new year's gathering of the minds! Koo-Kane, Orbit, Sid, Radius, Traffic, Scribbles, Tina K, W.O.W., Panic, Devotion, Happy Kill. located 3 hours south of SF in middle california....uniting the state. 9pm-9am, . 800.971.7896 800.971.8396 Wednesday, December 31st - Toon Town New Year's Eve 415.703.7107 Saturday, January 10th - Ghostribe Productions presents Acid Breaks 2 The 1 Year Anniversary Carlos, DJ Ghost, Frank Nitty, Miss Knight, Joey, Kwashi, Tripnotix, Noel, UFO, Rent, Star Eyes, Flux, MC Phluid, Hak, introducing Oscar Meyer. more to come... 415.273.1474 510.986.9227 408.881.0678 Saturday, January 10th - 12 Monkeys presents _Little House in the City_ Dan Issac (12 Monkeys), Simon, Tony, DJ BIZZ (Chemically Minded Records), Donald Glaude, more TBA. 415.436.0714 510.407.1208 Saturday, January 17th - Space Children presents All Together Now 3 year anniversary Expect an absolutely stellar line up from all around our beautiful planet. 415.675.4700 510.461.SPACE Saturday, January 17th - _Planet Rock_ John Aquaviva, (charles) feelgood, DJ Dan, donald glaude, jim hopkins, kid bippy, sugarhill gang, grandmaster flash, del tha funkee homosapien, invisibl skratch piklz, emil & z-trip, danny da wild child, r.a.w., 119 crew, phunckateck. much more to be announced 415.675.5603 510.869.4137 916.492.5477 Saturday, January 24th - 6 in da mornin productions presents _Ground Zero 3: the Resurrection_ Ghost & Frank Nitty on 4, Terry Mullan, Tripnotix, Hipp-E, Kimo, Jason Jinx, Jim Hopkins, dB, DJ Dan, Simply Jeff, More TBA. after a year in the making, this party will include internationally recognized talent, plenty of free giveaways. $20. 800.590.7032 Saturday, January 24th - _Lightseed One Year_ Benefitting the world's rainforests DJs and other performing info to come. 415.458.0337 707.329.2189 Saturday, January 31st - Fresh-E Productions presents _In House We Trust_ Jeno, Tony, Simon, Carlos, Mellanie, Pat Allen, Jazz-e, Moda, Shaft, Paucus, Kwashi, Essence, Spinner, Tripnotix, Kimo. Visuals by Multimedia Meltdown. more info TBA. Saturday, February 14th - Feel Good Entertainment presents Love A-Fair '98 Valentine's Day PLURity Vibe-Fest and Six year anniversary Much more info to follow... 415.263.0483 _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... Thursday _Sharpshooter_ - acid jazz, hip hop, soul w/DJs George, Aural B, Romanowski, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $4. elbo room, 647 Valencia, SF. 415.552.7788 Anthem - house, funk, disco w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jorge Martinez, Sista Black, guests. 10pm-6am, 21+, $3. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.978.0181 _Sprung_ - funk meets the future w/DJs Manny Rosa, the Baroness, Jimmm the dj, guests. alternate Thursdays (10/30...) 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. _Royal Jelly_ - explorations in creative and social behaviour. Sound experiments in digital rhythm and note fantasies w/DJs Lefebvrier, Toph, Travis, guest DJs and live acts weekly. 7pm-, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th St @ So.Van Ness, SF. _Vibe_ - deep acid trance, gay, bi and straight w/DJs Jon Bush, Natalie Dierickx. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Stud, 9th & Harrison, SF. _Thursday Night Therapy_ - house, techno w/DJs Jazz-E, Josh Schwab, Corey, guests. call for location. 9pm-3am, 18+. , SF 415.281.8466 _karmachanics_ - house music w/DJs Erin, Krista. Alternate Thursdays. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. [11.20 - Erin, Mark E.Quark] _Kit Kat_ - house. 10pm-4am, 21+. the End Up, 6th & Harrison, SF. [11.20 - Farley & Heller (Junior Boys' Own/London), $10] _Mosaic_ - Mauricio, the Baroness, Shannon, Franky. begins July 17th. 7 Spring St between Kearny & Montgomery, SF. _Trainspotters_ - UK Progressive House w/DJs DJ Phat Pat, guests. 21+, $3. 1333 Columbus @ North Point, SF. _Eklektic_ - jungle w/DJs StarEyes, Sage, weekly guests. $3 before 11 10p-2a, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 279 Howard @ 2nd, SF. 415.332.5800 x24-7 the kitchen sink - Stareyes, Monty, Joe Rice, guests. $2 before 10p. 9:30p-2a, 18+, $4. Blake's, 2367 Telegraph @ Durant, Berkeley. _Discovery_ - a night of house and disco music w/DJs Greg Sandler, Erik Brown, Urn. bi-weekly. 21+, Free. Masses Pool Hall, 625 Fifth St, Santa Rosa. 707.571.8747 Friday Nikita - house, techno w/DJs Simon, Jeno, David Michael, Jerry Bonham. Broadcast live on the net at www.1015.com. Downstairs, Sticks and Stones- provacateurs of Bass present Drum + Bassment with resident DJ Kayar. 10pm-6am, 21+, $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568 [11.21 - Frankie Knuckles] [11.28 - Dave Angel (England)] [12.5 - Robbie Hardiss, Gavin Hardkiss, Scott Hardkiss] [12.12 - DJ Icey] _Sea Monkeys_ - The World's Only Instant Live Party! w/DJs Romanowski, the Formaggio's, guests. $3 before 11 10pm-3am, 21+, $5. Minna Street Gallery, 111 Minna St, SF. 415.974.1719 _Liquid_ - rare groove, trip hop, drum & bass, abstract beats w/DJs Groove Merchant DJs, Tom Thump, Cool Chris. 7pm-, 21+. Liquid, 2925 16th St @ So.Van Ness, SF. Fusion - house w/DJs Pat Allen, TJ, Jay R, Larry Live, Phil Salter, Cameron, Mark Engler, Rob Bishop. 3 DJs per night, free before 10pm. 9pm-4am, 21+, $5. 1220 Pine St, Walnut Creek. _Product_ - house w/DJs Norman 'The Truth' Stradley, sherif, Jay-J, Marc Jellybear, DJ Fuze. 21+. the Sound Factory, 525 Harrison St, SF. 415.979.8686 _JR's/Club X_ - 2 Dancefloors w/DJs DJ Allen (Club X), DJ Charles (JR's). $9 for the under 21 crowd. 8p-4a, 18+, $5. 2520 Camino Diablo, Walnut Creek. 510.256.1200 _Heat_ - Paul. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. 2200 Harvard (in Club Avalon inside the Hilton), Sacramento. 916.922.4700 _Moist and Delicious_ - Mellow hip-jazz to rollin' dnb w/DJs Jake, Visa, guests. 8pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Skylark, 16th & Valencia, SF. _beware of the naughty nurse_ - house w/DJs Robbie Hardkiss. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _In Depth_ - The deep beats of jazz w/DJs Thomas Roberts. 10pm-4am, . 450 Harrison @ 1st, SF. Drunkyn Mastyrz - hip-hop breaks and jungle w/DJs Drunkyn Mastyrz, dayzr. every first friday of the month. 10pm-2am, Free. The Attic, 3336 24th St @ Bartlett, SF. _Abstract Soul_ - house w/DJs Corey Black, Loren, Solar, guests. free before 11. 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard St, SF. _Stir-Fri-Day_ - drum & bass-dub-hip-hop-house-funk-rare grooves w/DJs guests weekly. 5pm-9pm, 21+. Minna St Gallery, 111 Minna St, SF. _Liquid_ - Sugar-D, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $5. Neptune's, 5990 S Land Park Dr, Sacramento. 916.452.9823 Saturday _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Nobel, Vince, Christine, Daniel, guests. saturday morning 5:30am-3pm, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF. 415.208.7665 _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr. Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457 _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights. 10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903 Loveworks - house w/DJs Dani, Matt Valenz, guests. i.a.o [inspiration aaron o] 9pm-infinity, . 111 Minna Street, SF. 415.646.0744 GrassRoots - growing the freshest in house beats. w/DJs kelvin k, Uneke, Adonis, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. 415.864.7386 _Pablo's Sugar Shack_ - SF's Funkiest House and Rare-Jazzy Grooves w/DJs Taj, Jay-J, Lele, Buna, Monty, Markiss, Mofo, Roman, SFRaves lounge + guests. 10pm-afterhours, 21+, $10. VSF, 278 Folsom @ 11th, SF. 415.668.2476 [11.22 - Markiss Anthony] [11.29 - Nobel] [12.6 - Garth] _Moist and Delicious_ - Mellow hip-jazz to rollin' dnb w/DJs Jake, Visa, guests. 8pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Skylark, 16th & Valencia, SF. _RoM_ - an evening of sophisticated deep house... w/DJs Chad Mitchell. 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th St, SF. 415.289.6833 _i Heard That_ - house w/DJs Alain del Corazon, Ruben Mancias, Chris Lum, Rasoul, guests. 9:30pm-2am, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard St, SF. 415.626.9097 _Heavy_ - house, trip hop w/DJs Laron (Black Diamond), DJ Buna (Obora Records), Felix the Dog (Black Diamond). 10pm-2am, 21+. 1028 Geary St @ Polk, SF. 415.605.7949 Sunday Spundae - House, Techno w/DJs Carlos, David Michael, weekly guests. free b4 10:30p 10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. 415.974.9389 _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore, SF. 415.771.2583 _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, Ruben Mancias, guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256 _Mix Lounge_ - techno, house, jungle w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 9pm-2am, $4. 2513 Van Ness, SF. 415.928.0404 _Dub Mission_ - SF's only dub night w/DJs Sep, J.Boogie, Ludichris, other surprises. 9pm-, 21+, $3. the Elbo Room, 647 Valencia @ 17th, SF. 415.552.7788 _Plush_ - house, jungle, trance, ambient w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 9:30p-2a, 21+, $3. 2708 J St, Sacramento. 916.484.4285 _ultra magnetic/left coast chronicles_ - jungle, drum n bass w/DJs abstract, spell, jason mouse, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _float_ - chillin' house beats in a new space w/DJs John Howard, Jason Mouse, Erin (409). 10p-2a, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th @ Mission, SF. 415.431.8889 _Breakfast at Tiffany's_ - Serving deep house w/DJs Para, Victor, Nickola. complimentary breakfast (bagels, fresh fruit, pastries) 9am-5pm, 21+. DNA Lounge, 375 11th St, SF. 415.635.6906 _Super8000_ - analogus expeririments in the chemical composition of celluloid and wax. 21+. Edinburgh Castle, 950 Geary @ Polk, SF. _Nice_ - house, techno w/DJs Spun, special guests. free before 11. 21+, $5. basement of the Agenda, , San Jose. _Jungle Love_ - thumpin variety of drum and bass w/DJs Sifu, Gamekat, MC Angel, guests. $5 before 11pm. 9pm-3am, 21+, $7. 161 Eddy St, SF. 415.281.0772 _gravity_ - funk, dub, hip hop, jungle w/DJs tomas, andrew jervis, markus, guests weekly. on the mic: jamalski 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. upstairs at Paradise, 11th & Folsom, SF. 415.974.4358 [11.23 - Abstract] [11.30 - Ron & Vanka (Stellar Trax)] [12.7 - Solar] _Four Four Baby_ - an afternoon of house music w/DJs patrick, lamont, chris orr. 3pm-10pm, 21+, $6. il pirata, 16th St @ Potrero, SF. 415.626.2626 Monday _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu, stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151 Folsom St, SF. _Phreak Mode_ - Bass, Booty and Beat Trax w/DJs DJ Positive P, Kit Clayton (One Jack Mind), Jim, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight, SF. _Beat Box_ - drum'n'bass, jungle, downtempo w/DJs Val. 9:30pm-, 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th St, SF. _Noc Noc_ - Drum'n'bass, downtempo and electronica w/DJs Mohsen. every other Monday. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. 557 Haight St, SF. 415.861.5811 _One_ - techno, trance w/DJs Ulf, T.C., guests. Visuals by Eyetribe.8pm-2am, 21+, $4. the Cellar, 685 Sutter @ Taylor, SF. _Undertow_ - hardcore, techno, jungle. every other Monday starting August 25th. More details to follow... 21+, $2. Mansion Pub, 132 Est., Davis. 916.759.7163 _NO TV _- From Pure Ambient to House in 7 hours w/DJs Wunjo, Henrik Rosal. $5 b4 10pm. Every other Monday. 8:30pm-3:30am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.675.9899 _Spackle_ - house, techno w/DJs Sean, guests weekly. 6am-12:30pm, 21+, $4. 1028 Geary Ave, SF. _Mondays on Hayes_ - house, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. starts in November. 21+, Free. 520 Hayes, SF. _Curveball_ - a midtempo night's dream w/DJs Smove, Rhyme Scheme, Tony Scott, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. Club Paradise, 1028 Geary Blvd., SF. 415.605.9057 _Density_ - 98% Concentrated Urban Beats saturated with Drum & Bass Deconstructions w/DJs Al Simmons, Fluid Motion (Om/Mephisto), Paul (On The One), Aural B (Sharpshooter), Moc. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Justice League, 628 Divisadero, SF. 415.440.0409 Tuesday _Eclectic_ - house, jungle, drum & bass w/DJs Yamu, Siege, Franko, Foster, guests. Fresh fruit & condoms to all 9pm-2am, 21+. Paradise Bar & Grill, 5356 College Ave, Oakland. _Rhythm_ - house, techno w/DJs Daniel, Stevian, Mark Willson, Mark Silva, live congas by Brian, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. Greg's Bar, 551 W.Julian/Montgomery, San Jose. 408.286.4388 _Buggin' Out and the terrorist society_ - drum'n'bass for your head space on the 11th of every month w/DJs mateo, push, gamekat. 9:30p-, 21+, $3. cafe mars, 798 Brannan, SF. 415.522.2343 _Pure_ - house w/DJs Brian Brandon, guests. 9pm-, 18+. The Rage, 1890 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.929.0232 Static - Techno, Drum & Bass, Downtempo, Electro w/DJs ReAch, Quantum, Brad, Darin Marshall, Sutekh, guests. 10pm-2am, $2. 2925 16th @ S Van Ness, SF. _Get Energy_ - an evening of energetic fusion w/DJs Mark Farina. 21+, $5. V/SF, 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. 415.635.6906 _Sedate Grooves_ - downbeat, drum'n'bass, breaks, hip hop and weird noises w/DJs David, Erik (Phunkatech), weekly guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _Move_ - house w/DJs DJ Josh, guests weekly. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. 1028 Geary @ Polk, SF. _Vision Quest_ - Joe Lanza, Will, Dice, JKR, weekly guests. 9p-2a, 21+, $5. 1655 B Willow Pass Rd, Concord. 510.594.4007 _Spin Cycle_ - guests weekly. 7pm-10pm, Free. the Black Box Cabaret, 3rd St & 4th Avenue, Monterey. Wednesday _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first Wednesday of the month. 10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815 _Phunckatech_ - jungle, hiphop w/DJs UFO, Juju, Abstract, Spell, Noel, Jason Mouse, S.C.U.B.A. SKWAD DJs Charlie Bucket and Beatjakr. 10pm-3am, 18+, $5. Cat's Grill and Alley, 1190 Folsom, SF. 415.331.1500x16 _JR's Club_ - house, trance w/DJs DJ Allen. 8pm-2am, Free. 2520 Camino Diablo, Walnut Creek. 510.256.1200 _monophonic_ - Minimal Techno, Progressive House w/DJs Corey Black, Perfect, Lauren, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th @ S Van Ness, SF. _ElectroniKa_ - Spesh, Kimon, Gil. Visuals by Hyperdelic.Fantastic Vibe. 5pm-9pm, Free. 111 Minna St, SF. _Recline_ - rare and abstract w/DJs Wisdom, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard @ 2nd., SF. 415.824.9878 _Count Your Blessings_ - house w/DJs Miquel, Alain Del Corazon. wednesday night/thursday morning after Come/Unity. 5:30am-noon, . Cat's Grill, 1190 Folsom St, SF. _Escape_ - ali, mitch, hutch, special guests. Jax House, 1145 N.Fulton, Fresno. 209.268.4289 _The Lounge_ - house w/DJs house DJs from near and far. 10p-2a, 21+, $3. The Red Lion Inn, 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.484.3706 _Twist_ - Deep and Swing House w/DJs Christopher, weekly guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $5. the Beer Cellar, 685 Sutter @ Taylor, SF. 415.317.1754 _the Bulletproof Social_ - jazz, soul, latin, house, disco, dub, jungle w/DJs kevin, george, jayson, richard, kirsten, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. nickie's, 484 haight st, SF. The Basement Lounge - house w/DJs Miguel "Migs", rotating deep dj's weekly. Club 1028, 1028 Geary @ Polk, SF. 415.376.1176 _sofalize_ - ...next level loungin' w/DJs rotating DJs. donations appreciated...bring i.d. and please respect the space. full coffee bar / literature. 9pm-. 415.789.8308 _the Vinyl Treetmnt_ - house, jungle, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. 415.522.2343 _Mr Frisky_ - Mike LeFebvrier, Toph (Royal Jelly). 10pm- $6. Infusion, 555 2nd St b/w Bryant & Brannan., SF. 415.346.SPOT _Groove-In_ - phat new grooves, downtempo & funky breakbeat w/DJs guests weekly. 21+. Red Devil Lounge, 1695 Polk St @ Clay, SF. 415.921.1695 [11.26 - DJ Charlotte w/groove-in DJ] _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * the Buzz-line, a global party network - 415.569.3300 * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV/Net Shows * Sunday night 8pm-10pm - "Soundz of Resistance" w/DJ Poohbear. Underground electronic music, mainly jungle/drum and bass, dub and hard techno along with guest DJs, interviews and not-so-random amples of life. KZSC 88.1 (Santa Cruz) * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Sunday night midnight-1am - "Shortwave" - Electronic music in all of its guises. KALX, 90.7 FM (Berkeley) * Wednesday night 9pm-11pm - free form music mix. KPFA 94.1 (Berkeley) * Wednesday night/Thursday morning - "the tube" hosted by miss laura aka lola. an electronic excursion into ambient soundscapes, ethereal trance, and washes of other whimsical muzik. KAZU 90.3 (Monterey Bay Community Radio) * Thursday morning 10am-2pm - "The Further Adventures of Aardvark" - trip-hop to experimental to ambient to gabba etc, etc. KSJS 90.5 (San Jose). * Thursday 5pm-9pm - The Beta Lounge - Live netcast of jungle, dub, breakbeat, hiphop, ambient, experimental. http://www.betalounge.com/ * Thursday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. The best in beats to satiate your inner child. Electronic dance, noise, spoken word, world music and more. Also available in RealAudio. KZSU 90.1 (Stanford) * Friday 10am-3pm - weekly DJ netcasts. x-radio. * Friday 3pm-6pm - free form music mix. KUSF 90.3 (SF) (also available on Realaudio * Friday 9:30am-noon - Snappy the Aligator plays deep groove music that dips into cool electronic sounds, classic soul, reggae & more. KALX, 90.7 FM (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Jungle, Detroit, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday night 9pm-mid - "Underbrush" w/DJ Radon and guests - Beats, Breakz and Buzz KZSU 90.1 (Stanford). Also broadcast via RealAudio. * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@flux.net * (every other) Saturday night 10p-12:30a - "1984" w/DJ Richtoffen. House, Trance and German rave. 90.1 (Chico) * Saturday night - "amp" 1am. MTV. * Saturday night - "Subsonic". 1am-6am, KITS 105.3 SF. * Saturday night - "House Nation" w/"Anthems Mix", Top 10s from guest DJs and "London Connection w/DJ Doubt". 2am-4am, WILD 94.9 SF. * Ambiance Magazine - 9:30p weds-sun PNC Cable 2 (Modesto & Oakdale), 9p fri & sat, marcus cable ch 9 (ceres & turlock). _________________________________________________________________ For a _search_ interface to the calendar, see the Late Train club section (http://www.latetrain.com/clubs/). _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.org with either the line subscribe sfraves-calendar or unsubscribe sfraves-calendar There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.org with the line subscribe sfraves in the body of the message. Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 02:00:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14065 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 02:00:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 13992 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 02:00:14 -0000 Received: from mrin86.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin86.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.196) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 02:00:14 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA29784; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:58:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:58:58 -0500 (EST) From: LV2RAVE@aol.com Message-ID: <971120205858_-524163328@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: epetzar@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org cc: ledesma@sfsu.edu, breaker2000@hotmail.com, ladyass@hotmail.com, Yellwtayl@aol.com Subject: Re: ** The SoCal-Raves Calendar ** 11/15/97 (fwd) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey is anyone going to OZ this Saturday? Its in So Cali, maybe we can have a meeting for sf-ravers!!!! Tony From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 02:02:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14880 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 02:02:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 14856 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 02:02:38 -0000 Received: from mrin86.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin86.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.196) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 02:02:38 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA01947; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:01:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:01:28 -0500 (EST) From: LV2RAVE@aol.com Message-ID: <971120210128_163078656@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: epetzar@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org cc: ledesma@sfsu.edu, breaker2000@hotmail.com, ladyass@hotmail.com, Yellwtayl@aol.com Subject: Re: ** The SoCal-Raves Calendar ** 11/15/97 (fwd) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey is anyone going to OZ this Saturday? Its in So Cali, maybe we can have a meeting for sf-ravers!!!! Tony From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 03:01:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1350 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 03:01:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 1189 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 03:00:59 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 03:00:59 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19878 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:00:14 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n4-101.napanet.net [157.22.193.101]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11380 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:00:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971120185741.007b51e0@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:57:41 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: llevi Butterfield Subject: Re: Help Re: NRR: recent hard times In-Reply-To: <3473E17D.5CC2@pacbell.net> References: <3473B852.9E2@pacbell.net> <3472BE91.6506@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 11:06 PM 11/19/97 -0800, you wrote: >Fate wrote: >> >> A true Vibe from a viboligist(sp). You do have a way of saving the sole >> don't you fish1111. A good moment for all to obsorbe and reflect upon. >> Keep it comming, every little bit helps. Fate >> cAN you guysd believe sharrif torpis spammed me ordering >me to stop abusing sfrave because of this post? > >I need some advice as to how i can stop this control >freak from harassing me. Any suggestions ...legal ones. > > GOOD GOD!! I LOVE that post, I'm going to print it out and give it to some of my friends who also have been going through hard times lately. I think Sharif Torpis needs to think about what he/she says/does once in a while. I was also thinking about printing out a lot of these and passing them out at this High School play that I'm going to tonight, (can I fish?). Just give up Torpie and let the list live. plip flat From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 03:07:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3035 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 03:07:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 3026 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 03:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 03:07:09 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca71-22.ix.netcom.com [207.92.177.86]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25620 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:07:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3474FBE6.C564AB1F@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:11:34 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SFRaves Subject: Pro-Soy??? What's up?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know about the upcoming Pro-Soy thing??? Email me privately if it's hush-hush. I still would like info. Love, Paul*E*Wog From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 03:09:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3725 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 03:09:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 3700 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 03:09:19 -0000 Received: from localhost.hyperreal.org (HELO brianb.organic.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 03:09:19 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971120185402.00987100@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:54:02 -0800 To: Justin Middleton , My Happy Tribe From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: Byte of Brian Behlendorf In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 09:54 PM 11/19/97 -0800, Justin Middleton wrote: >Excuse if this is a repost...I've been unsubbed from sfraves for a while. > >Just got my latest issue of Byte (guess that pegs me as a geek...albeit >a cross-platform geek :), and in an article on free software (you know, >perl, apache, linux, gcc, etc...), our friend and the reason for this list >Brian is mentioned twice...not exactly quoted, but his opinions are echoed. > >Good show brian! yer my hero. *blush* Thanks, Justin! I actually didn't know about the Byte article. And I'm far from the "reason" for this list, just the happy little gnome who lives under the bridge and makes sure things work behind the scenes... Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig brian@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 03:09:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3727 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 03:09:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 3702 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 03:09:20 -0000 Received: from localhost.hyperreal.org (HELO brianb.organic.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 03:09:20 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971120185830.0098ad50@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:58:30 -0800 To: blkadder@value.net, fish1111@pacbell.net From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: Help Re: NRR: recent hard times Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: References: <3473E17D.5CC2@pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 09:56 AM 11/20/97 -0800, blkadder@value.net wrote: >Step #4: (And the main reason I am sending this to the whole list) > Contact Brian(brian@hyperreal.org) No one on SF-Raves should > suffer harrasment from other member of SF-Raves, and anyone > found doing so who will not stop should be kicked off. Blkadder, you of all people should know I can't control the off-list behavior of list members, and I don't believe in using access to the list as some sort of punishment instrument, especially for actions I myself haven't witnessed. Were someone to be abusive *through* this list, that's a different issue, and I'd handle it. Sharif is on a one-man crusade against what he considered inappropriate messages, and I hope he realizes that sometimes he's his own worst enemy. procmail, Sharif, procmail. Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig brian@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 03:13:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5458 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 03:13:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 5436 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 03:13:17 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 03:13:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 20546 invoked by alias); 21 Nov 1997 03:13:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19971121031315.20545.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 20538 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 03:13:13 -0000 Received: from madmax-23.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.23) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 03:13:13 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:13:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Get On Out (was: So, whats going on..) Reply-to: Faro@usa.net In-reply-to: <88256555.0063777C.00@notes2.adm.nummi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey All~ I was going to be away for the weekend enjoying the beauty of Yoesmite.. but plans fell through at the last moment. I too would appreciate any info on what to fill up this sudden void in my weekend with. Love is looking mighty tempting to me at this point. Thanks in advance. -Faro Faro@usa.net I love to dance. It's like standing still only faster..... > ...for the weekend? > > Hello Errrrr-vrey1. Just I, Adam (Anakin, Foustus, that dancing guy, or > any other alias you might know me by...) just wondering who's doing what > this weekend. Looks like I missed out on a killer deal called _Vibration_ > on Saturday (sigh, oh well). > > Soo, what's the haps? > > Hope to hear from you guys > > L-8 > > Adam > "Face the truth, no matter how hard it may be." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 03:32:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11307 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 03:32:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 11298 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 03:32:07 -0000 Received: from mole.slip.net (HELO mole) (207.171.193.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 03:32:07 -0000 Received: from sf-pm2-22-150.dialup.slip.net [207.171.197.150] by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xYjp3-0005aP-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:32:02 -0800 Message-ID: <347481BE.6D72@slip.net> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:30:22 +0100 From: Jeff Rahn Reply-To: jrahn@slip.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Goldie/ENIT ticket for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I have an extra ticket for sale for the ENIT show if anybody is interested. E-mail me privately-thanx:) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 03:35:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12123 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 03:35:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 12114 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 03:35:52 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 03:35:52 -0000 Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id TAA01366; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:24:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347501E6.D6F55C26@best.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:37:10 -0800 From: just jer Organization: @spire X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: josh sorkin CC: "U.A.A." , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Part 1, jer's theory! WAS[Re: Sunday morn with danny and jer] References: <3.0.32.19971120173947.006fc044@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hmmmm I really wanna.... but it's really hard to explain and easy to understand. I don't even have it on paper yet.... it almost seems like there are some aspects of the whole thing that can't be explained, because they've never ever been thought of before. I'll try and explain one part of it... This is one thing that I thought of. First I have to explain how I think the learning process works. You learn by comparing and contrasting one thought with either, outside influence or another thought. Then another thought is created. And that goes on and on and on... blah blah blah. Now check this out... Two people fuck, and boom, conception. Sperm meets egg and cells start to split. A brain is formed. There must be a point when the brain becomes functional. Now the brain is functional and there must be something there, like a thought, in order for the child to function. Where did the original thought or something come from? Well let's say the original something came from the DNA strand that was created when sperm met egg. Now we take it back to the beginning of time BIG BANG. blah blah blah.... wow... check that out....finally one single celled organism being influenced by it's surroundings. It reproduces itself, and more single celled organisms are created, influenced by each other and their surroundings. Time goes by, evolution progresses, and now we have an organism that evolved from a single celled asexual organism, into an organism that reproduces by sexual intercourse. blah blah blah, what am I getting at here? well we started out with one single celled asexual organism with one dna strand that's evolving as evolution progresses, and now we have us. that dna strand has evolved over time, and I believe that is the one thing that give the functional brain or mind, that one something that is need for a functional human. I believe that one dna strand contains the information that puts the splitting cells where they go. It gives us all our so called instincts. It give us the abilty to learn and still evolve. That's one part of it that isn't even complete. I don't really have much of a formal education, so I don't know how much of that really does work based on science, biology, and physiology as we know it. You can draw your own conclusions based on what I've said. I now belive that life is all predetermined based on something like "cause and effect", and that as the universe is expanding and will contract into what the big bang was, and all happen again the same exact way. We're stuck in a loop! =) everything that you think/say about this whole e-mail is drawn out that way! stuckinaloop.jer =) ps. remember! that's only one part of my whole theory/philosophy. pss. I have never really studied or read anything about theories, philosophies, science, etc.etc., but the guy I discovered this with, Brian, has. It all makes complete sense to him. But who knows, we both could be complete morons and confused as fuck, but I still believe it's all drawn out that way, so it doesn't matter and it doesn't not matter, it all get's cancled out anyways. josh sorkin wrote: > > At 11:47 AM 11/20/97 -0800, just jer wrote: > > What me and Brian came up with seems to > >complete it, a theory that ties all the sciences together, and makes > >everything we know, think, and do make complete sense! It could very > >well be the most amazing discovery since the begining of time. > > this i gotta hear about...post it! > --------------------------------- > "do i dare disturb the universe?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 04:59:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28284 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 04:59:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 28261 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 04:59:02 -0000 Received: from f20.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.31) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 04:59:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 20433 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 1997 04:58:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19971121045835.20432.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.62.61 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:58:34 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.212.62.61] From: "Kimberly the Mermaid" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: So, what's going on... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:58:34 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey all you kids out there in computer land!!! any of you gonna be at the E-Net Fest on Sat??? I'll be there handing out tapes and stuff with my friend Megan, so if you see us come say hello!!! I love making new friends!! Smiles :) Come swim with me beneath the depths of the deep blue sea. ~~~Mermaid~~~ LuvTribe, SD From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 05:42:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12012 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 05:42:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 12004 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 05:42:16 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 05:42:16 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AeD07891; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:41:43 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: recent hard times Message-ID: <19971120.214428.10831.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> References: <3473E17D.5CC2@pacbell.net> <3.0.3.32.19971120185830.0098ad50@hyperreal.org> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-9,11-23 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:41:43 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:58:30 -0800 Brian Behlendorf writes: >Sharif is on a one-man crusade against what he considered >inappropriate >messages, and I hope he realizes that sometimes he's his own worst >enemy. What do you mean one man crusade? Are you delusional? I hear he has the support of this entire list...and the soviets, the men in black helicopters and the cat in the hat have figured out i am an out of control maniac bent on world destruction thru the intentional disruption of sfraves. Its my revenge for not being allowed to have a nintendo game as a child....emotionally scared for life i am. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish eternity is the time it takes to learn everything From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 05:47:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13153 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 05:46:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 13136 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 05:46:58 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 05:46:58 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (seoul-209.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.228.209]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23484; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:45:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:45:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711210545.VAA23484@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: meherr@mail.wenet.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: leslie@netcommunications.net From: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr Subject: plurity response Cc: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I have been raving or dancing or whatever you want call it....groovin' for approx. 4 years. I love the san francisco rave scene more than anything and i did go to viberation on sat., some of my friends Herb and AndyW were very involved with the party. I am only tfying to say in that flyer that certains aspects of the 'rave" scene are very judgemental and cliqish. I came from denver where everyone is on speed and the promoters are trying to kill each other(or they were at one point,I can't possibly know all of what has gone down lately)It was very evil and exactly how I stated it in The Dream. I have a dream that someday people will all gather in a house,like a real house and somebody will spinning on the decks,it doesn't really matter who, and everyone will be groovin'to beats and chilling and making friends.My dream is to put together parties where the emphasis is soley on the music,the people and the energy they can create together. I only generalized that flyer so that anyone could pick it up and read it and understand it. I care so much about the rave scene or music culture or whatever it is.....just music...... i have so much love for good beats...they challenge the mind and move the soul... the people i have met out here are wounderful,but there are a lot of negative people in san francisco,they are hust all at the "massives" The underground scene is amazing....Peace,love and most importantly respect.....UHM1998 __ Mary Ellen Herr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 06:26:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19247 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 06:26:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 19239 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 06:26:39 -0000 Received: from f80.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.186) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 06:26:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 28466 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 1997 06:26:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19971121062609.28465.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.159.133 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:26:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.159.133] From: "maya katz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU, jasonelee@juno.com, raf_one@hotmail.com Subject: Re: ICQ Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:26:08 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey everybody!!! i've got ICQ too!! my number is 4707047... talk to yous soon!!! mua! maya From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 06:48:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23754 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 06:48:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 23745 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 06:48:29 -0000 Received: from postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (132.236.56.7) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 06:48:29 -0000 Received: from jdl14.resnet.cornell.edu.resnet.cornell.edu (JDL14.RESNET.CORNELL.EDU [128.253.225.63]) by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA27341 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:48:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971121015010.00d1c2d0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: jdl14@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:50:11 -0500 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: joSh Subject: Re: ICQ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk mE too, mE too!! here's da diGits - 3845052 i'm in NY and i'm freezin so send me some of that SF warmth pleeeeze! jOsH At 10:26 PM 11/20/97 PST, you wrote: >hey everybody!!! i've got ICQ too!! >my number is 4707047... >talk to yous soon!!! >mua! >maya > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 06:57:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25423 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 06:57:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 25415 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 06:57:16 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 06:57:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA04304; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:52:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:52:14 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" Reply-To: "lara at vibe.org" To: AndyW cc: foolish_fish1@juno.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk AndyW's right on the money here. beautiful post baybee!! i applaud your mother for the person she helped make you. i also applaud you for having an eloquent way with words. i always feel like a bootymonster in comparison. i used to be eloquent with words, but then i became some sort of pothead. and lost my journalistic skills. JUST KIDDING! (hi dope c.) them skillz is around deze places sumwhere. regarding a drug-free event. the fact that psome of us feel that this should happen is.. well.. PROOF that the scene is different for everyone. on either side, everyone has the right to do what they choose. freedom. back to topic: varying opinions, on what the scene is all about. no 2 people are alike, thus you are going to get alot of different kids saying alot of different things. for example: one kid might say "HEY man, it's NOT about the drugs. it's about the vibe, and the people, and the music" and that kid will never take drugs in their life. like my friend josh in AZ. another kid might say the exact same thing, and do drugs occasionally, like once every few months. another kid might say the exact same thing, and do drugs at every party, or nearly every party. another kid might have the guts to say, or just keeps it to themself that "it IS about the drugs, and the vibe and the music and whatever are just like, part of it too". yeah, people, wake up out of your chaste cocoons. if it hasn't been made obvious to you yet, you're still a a september child: to ALOT of kids out there, it IS about the drugs. it's about going out, getting fucked up, and dancing all night long. maybe it's about more than that too, but it's also about the drugs for alot of kids. and who are WE to judge them? i mean REALLY? when you started raving, didn't you all know that there was a rather large amount of drug usage in it? what was your first (mis)conception of a rave? for me, and many people who i have talked to who never party, it's "tons of people do drugs there!" which is why i was intimidated to go in the first place. but anyway. drugs have always been, remain to be, and will most likely ALWAYS be a part of the rave culture. you don't necessarily have to like it, you don't necessarily have to give in and do loads of drugs at every party. it's all about choice. you have the choice to fuck yourself up hardcore. you have the choice to stay sober. you have the choice to do whatever you want. i agree, that drug abuse is an awful thing, ABUSE here ok? usage, well, it can prove to be beneficial to a certian point. i guess what my point in posting is this: you can sit there, and deny drug usage., you can throw sober parties. you can pronounce loud and clear that to you, ITS ABOUT THE VIBE AND THE LOVE AND GOD DAMNIT HUG ME!!! but no matter how loud you shout this, there's still going to be the fact remaining that DRUGS ARE RAMPANT IN THE RAVE SCENE. you came into the scene knowing this, you're gonna have to accept it as a part of the culture. as much as you may hate it, as much as you may deny it... drugs are there. tough shit. :) love em or leave em, but for chrissake don't look down on kids who do drugs. and don't look down on kids who are sober. we are all individuals, may we all do as we please. love, respect. x.o.yum. junglistically yours forever, lara From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 07:00:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26125 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 06:59:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 26117 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 06:59:55 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 06:59:55 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07708 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:59:12 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n1-27.napanet.net [157.22.193.27]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA28109 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:59:47 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971120225639.007b82e0@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:56:39 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: llevi Butterfield Subject: Re: So, what's going on... In-Reply-To: <19971121045835.20432.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 08:58 PM 11/20/97 PST, you wrote: > >hey all you kids out there in computer land!!! >any of you gonna be at the E-Net Fest on Sat??? I'll be there handing >out tapes and stuff with my friend Megan, so if you see us come say >hello!!! I love making new friends!! Smiles :) > >Come swim with me beneath the depths of the deep blue sea. > ~~~Mermaid~~~ > LuvTribe, SD > > > I'm goiiiing..I KNOW others have to be! I have no clue as to what anyone looks like, should I make a laminate? What kind of question is that, I know. Just....well.....all right, I'll look around. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 07:07:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29008 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 07:07:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 28999 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 07:07:47 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 07:07:47 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (2433@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id XAA01585; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id XAA24107; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:07:43 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:07:43 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Ryan Spire X-Sender: soundz@si.UCSC.EDU To: * sherry * cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: --= LIFE FORCE IS BACK!!?? =-- In-Reply-To: <199711202354.SAA07939@www10.web2010.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk We did pre-sale for the event...bad move on our part...but they said that they were planning on throwing the event in Vegas later this year...so it sounds like the same thing. ES On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, * sherry * wrote: > Hey kids, > > I was just wondering if any of you have heard anything about a party > in Las Vegas being thrown by the same guy who threw LIFE FORCE!? > > If so I'd really like some more info on it. I heard it via the grape vine > and just wanted to know if it was just a rumor or what. > > thanks....peace, love, and rave till dawn > > sherry / mercury > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 07:49:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5637 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 07:49:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 5626 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 07:49:13 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 07:49:13 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA11030 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:49:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971120235022.0068ddac@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:50:22 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: VespaRaver Subject: PLUR? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay boys and girls. I just moved up here from San Diego, so I am new on the SF rave scene. In fact, I'm new on the rave scene altogether. I just recently learned what PLUR is. So is this what the SF rave scene is all about--a bunch of arguing back and forth on e-mail? If so, I think I'm going to have to reconsider whether or not this is something I want to be a part of! So please people, remember PLUR, damn it! VespaRaver ================================================= ************************************************* "Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 07:54:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6383 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 07:54:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 6375 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 07:54:17 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 07:54:17 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id XAA05212 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [169.233.12.105] by cats-po-1 (8.8.8/4.8) id XAA19165; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:54:14 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ptrrabbt@cats-po-1.ucsc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:54:02 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: PeterRabbit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk first- it is agreed that that this may not be entirely correct in its generalizing of all "ravers" and it may not be making a valid arguement at all, to some of us. but let us take this paragraph of words and see what it is trying to say- what I mean is the meaning and energy behind it. this is an expression of one persons frustrations with the scene ( though some might say clumsily put ), frustrations which may not be true throughout the scene, or apparent to everyone. But If you can see their point that the scene is being corrupted ( and has been for some time ) with excessive drug use , superficiality, and commerciality, I would think you would agree. true- our community is amazing and exceptional, and I myself continue to have a wonderful time most everyweekend and I see many people who I would not consider selfish or hypocritical. but this " Dream" states that we should not be satisfied with the imperfections of our scene. 20$ parties, drug problems ( that hurt our friends, that end up in the news, etc..)"tough guy/girl" "ravers", among other things, frustrate more than just me and the author of this "Dream". And that leads me to let you all know that the author is not Mary Ellen Pratt- Herr, but a member of the Underground House Movement. their purpose was not to argue and alienate , but to appeal to our community to rise and make a movement for change. whatever each of us thinks is wrong, we can attempt to make a difference ( a cliche- but why do cliches become cliches in the first place). The Underground House Movement is a combination of underground promoters who are frustrated by some things we see, but optimistic about what as a community, we can become. The Underground House Movement is doing what we feel is our part to contribute to the positivity of the scene by putting on an event in '98 which will be an attempt to throwback to a time of simplicity in the scene. not necessarliy production-wise, but community-wise. we want the underground to come together for the reasons partying started . we want to join in one place those who party for the love of music, love of family- the people we have and haven't already met(meaning everybody), love of dancing -to realize its healing,clarifying, and unifying power. all this in hope that it will inspire and change our community for the better. We are not trying to be judgemental( apologies if you feel that we are ), but we are advocating against being judgemental. Please understand that we are not saying that our scene sucks. nor are we saying that you or your friends or all "ravers " are bad. and we are not saying that all parties are corrupt or without many beautiful aspects. But we are appealing to you for initiative to move our scene out of its corruption. And your support in our attempt to bring back the underground in '98. -=PeterRabbit=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 08:04:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9069 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 08:04:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 9061 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 08:04:54 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 08:04:54 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-64.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.64]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id AAA26939 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:04:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34754162.77CA@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:08:02 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: PLUR? References: <3.0.1.32.19971120235022.0068ddac@sfsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk VespaRaver wrote: > > Okay boys and girls. I just moved up here from San Diego, so I am new on > the SF rave scene. In fact, I'm new on the rave scene altogether. I just > recently learned what PLUR is. So is this what the SF rave scene is all > about--a bunch of arguing back and forth on e-mail? Nah...it just code. like if we say you're fat...it means you're cool. if we say you're a ignorant slut...it means we love you. if we say you're sick...it means we like you. If you get a flame...its our way of saying we repect you for having a different view point. you'll get the hang of it. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish eternity is the time it take to learn everything From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 08:06:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9685 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 08:06:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 9675 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 08:06:09 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 08:06:09 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id AAA06217 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [169.233.12.105] by cats-po-1 (8.8.8/4.8) id AAA21209; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:06:05 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ptrrabbt@cats-po-1.ucsc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:05:52 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: PeterRabbit Subject: RE: PLURITY (i forgot the subject last time) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk first- it is agreed that that this may not be entirely correct in its generalizing of all "ravers" and it may not be making a valid arguement at all, to some of us. but let us take this paragraph of words and see what it is trying to say- what I mean is the meaning and energy behind it. this is an expression of one persons frustrations with the scene ( though some might say clumsily put ), frustrations which may not be true throughout the scene, or apparent to everyone. But If you can see their point that the scene is being corrupted ( and has been for some time ) with excessive drug use , superficiality, and commerciality, I would think you would agree. true- our community is amazing and exceptional, and I myself continue to have a wonderful time most everyweekend and I see many people who I would not consider selfish or hypocritical. but this " Dream" states that we should not be satisfied with the imperfections of our scene. 20$ parties, drug problems ( that hurt our friends, that end up in the news, etc..)"tough guy/girl" "ravers", among other things, frustrate more than just me and the author of this "Dream". And that leads me to let you all know that the author is not Mary Ellen Pratt- Herr, but a member of the Underground House Movement. their purpose was not to argue and alienate , but to appeal to our community to rise and make a movement for change. whatever each of us thinks is wrong, we can attempt to make a difference ( a cliche- but why do cliches become cliches in the first place). The Underground House Movement is a combination of underground promoters who are frustrated by some things we see, but optimistic about what as a community, we can become. The Underground House Movement is doing what we feel is our part to contribute to the positivity of the scene by putting on an event in '98 which will be an attempt to throwback to a time of simplicity in the scene. not necessarliy production-wise, but community-wise. we want the underground to come together for the reasons partying started . we want to join in one place those who party for the love of music, love of family- the people we have and haven't already met(meaning everybody), love of dancing -to realize its healing,clarifying, and unifying power. all this in hope that it will inspire and change our community for the better. We are not trying to be judgemental( apologies if you feel that we are ), but we are advocating against being judgemental. Please understand that we are not saying that our scene sucks. nor are we saying that you or your friends or all "ravers " are bad. and we are not saying that all parties are corrupt or without many beautiful aspects. But we are appealing to you for initiative to move our scene out of its corruption. And your support in our attempt to bring back the underground in '98. -=PeterRabbit=- -=PeterRabbit=- NoEvil(LiveOn) prod. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 08:21:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12083 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 08:21:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 12075 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 08:21:09 -0000 Received: from mrin52.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin52.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.162) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 08:21:08 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA25737 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:20:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:20:41 -0500 (EST) From: PhoenXtasy@aol.com Message-ID: <971121032040_-1273048483@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: ICQ Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-19 01:05:04 EST, jasonelee@juno.com writes: << I would also like to know if any of you catz have ICQ, >> I'm 4438427 Gimme a ring :o) LuV -N- BiG HuGZ, ~^V^~PhoeniX~^V^~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 08:39:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16624 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 08:39:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 16614 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 08:38:59 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 08:38:59 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13961; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:38:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971121004006.006a4b94@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:40:06 -0800 To: PeterRabbit From: VespaRaver Subject: RE: PLURITY (i forgot the subject last time) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk So this Underground House Movement...does it include a lot of progressive house? No...I'm not stoopid and ignorant, just new...so let me know! Thanks so much----------------------->VespaRaver At 12:05 PM 11/20/97 -0800, you wrote: >first- it is agreed that that this may not be entirely correct in its >generalizing of all "ravers" and it may not be making a valid arguement at >all, to some of us. but let us take this paragraph of words and see what >it is trying to say- what I mean is the meaning and energy behind it. > > this is an expression of one persons frustrations with the scene ( >though some might say clumsily put ), frustrations which may not be true >throughout the scene, or apparent to everyone. But If you can see their >point that the scene is being corrupted ( and has been for some time ) with >excessive drug use , superficiality, and commerciality, I would think you >would agree. true- our community is amazing and exceptional, and I myself >continue to have a wonderful time most everyweekend and I see many people >who I would not consider selfish or hypocritical. > but this " Dream" states that we should not be satisfied with the >imperfections of our scene. 20$ parties, drug problems ( that hurt our >friends, that end up in the news, etc..)"tough guy/girl" "ravers", among >other things, frustrate more than just me and the author of this "Dream". > >And that leads me to let you all know that the author is not Mary Ellen >Pratt- Herr, but a member of the Underground House Movement. their purpose >was not to argue and alienate , but to appeal to our community to rise and >make a movement for change. whatever each of us thinks is wrong, we can >attempt to make a difference ( a cliche- but why do cliches become cliches >in the first place). > >The Underground House Movement is a combination of underground promoters >who are frustrated by some things we see, but optimistic about what as a >community, we can become. >The Underground House Movement is doing what we feel is our part to >contribute to the positivity of the scene by putting on an event in '98 >which will be an attempt to throwback to a time of simplicity in the scene. >not necessarliy production-wise, but community-wise. we want the >underground to come together for the reasons partying started . we want to >join in one place those who party for the love of music, love of family- >the people we have and haven't already met(meaning everybody), love of >dancing -to realize its healing,clarifying, and unifying power. all this in >hope that it will inspire and change our community for the better. > >We are not trying to be judgemental( apologies if you feel that we are ), >but we are advocating against being judgemental. >Please understand that we are not saying that our scene sucks. >nor are we saying that you or your friends or all "ravers " are bad. >and we are not saying that all parties are corrupt or without many >beautiful aspects. >But we are appealing to you >for initiative to move our scene out of its corruption. >And your support in our attempt to bring back the underground in '98. > > > -=PeterRabbit=- > > -=PeterRabbit=- > NoEvil(LiveOn) prod. > > > > ================================================= ************************************************* "Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 08:43:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17765 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 08:43:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 17757 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 08:43:29 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 08:43:29 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA14214 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:43:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971121004438.0068e730@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:44:38 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: VespaRaver Subject: San Diego Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay...who has Raving info for San Diego from December 21st through January 25?!?!? VespaRaver ================================================= ************************************************* "Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 09:40:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19602 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 09:40:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 19377 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 09:40:37 -0000 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 09:40:37 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id BAA15905; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:40:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:40:35 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, lara at vibe.org wrote: > rather large amount of drug usage in it? what was your first > (mis)conception of a rave? for me, and many people who i have talked to hmmm... my first misconception was that I thought everyone came wearing all sorts fo funny hats... I showed up with a midly funny hat and like half the people were hatless and the rest had on baseball caps! Whats up with that? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 10:02:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9119 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 10:02:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 9103 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 10:02:11 -0000 Received: from norway-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO norway.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.49) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 10:02:11 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (1Cust93.tnt1.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.36.254.93]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA02721 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:02:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3474B3D1.30FA08CF@earthlink.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:04:02 -0800 From: Andrew Rudkosky X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RaV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6AB20E755B3099D2D8C0E024" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk --------------6AB20E755B3099D2D8C0E024 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out this new Site, Includes: Events Music Chat + More... 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sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 10:57:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19730 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 10:57:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 19721 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 10:57:17 -0000 Received: from mail01.kla-tencor.com (HELO kla-tencor.com) (206.67.220.38) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 10:57:17 -0000 Received: from milxbh03.tencor.com by kla-tencor.com (8.8.5/KLA-Tencor.3.4ir) id CAA22254; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:56:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711211056.CAA22254@kla-tencor.com> Received: by exchange3.kla-tencor.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:54:04 -0800 From: "Stirling, Earl" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU, jasonelee@juno.com, raf_one@hotmail.com, "'maya katz'" Subject: RE: ICQ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:57:33 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i'm 4231627 dodger > ---------- > From: maya katz[SMTP:yareach8@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 1997 10:26 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU; jasonelee@juno.com; > raf_one@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: ICQ > > hey everybody!!! i've got ICQ too!! > my number is 4707047... > talk to yous soon!!! > mua! > maya > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 11:34:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22972 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 11:34:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 22964 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 11:34:12 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 11:34:12 -0000 Received: from akangas.ucsc.edu (cs-d0225.resnet.ucsc.edu [169.233.12.225]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id DAA17744 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:34:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711211134.DAA17744@cats.ucsc.edu> From: "Amanda L Kangas" To: Subject: RE: ICQ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:30:38 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk HI, my number is 5268187 Amanda From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 12:34:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2169 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 12:34:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 2161 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 12:34:18 -0000 Received: from f107.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.226) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 12:34:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 18284 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 1997 12:33:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19971121123351.18283.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.153 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:33:51 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.153] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Better than ICQ.... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:33:51 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk whats better than that little annoying program that sits in your system tray idle, using ram ,processor and bandwidth.... IRC :) join all us Sfravers on irc simply connect to any EFNET server then /join #sfraves you'll see all us regulars there.... persoanlly i like it a lot better than icq, but thats just me :) peace Philip disordr [DISORDR] <--- on efnet BreakDncr <--- my bot ;) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 14:44:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26780 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 14:44:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 26770 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 14:44:02 -0000 Received: from mrin38.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin38.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.148) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 14:44:02 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA13419 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:43:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:43:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kalidosope@aol.com Message-ID: <971121094335_1138994076@mrin38> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: My Story... (was sober raving) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk For a long time I have experimented with things, for almost 5 years. In doing so alot of the time at parties. It almost seemend what I did would esclate into something "newer" or "bigger" Hey I was at a party, it was the weekend and I wanted to have "fun" right? Wrong..... I began a downward spiral to the lowest point of my life, now for those who know me might say it was a result in what I was "experimenting" with, and yes to some point I totaly agree.... but I truly belive in my heart that all things you decied to "experiment" with, at some point your are going to reach your maximum low if you relize it or not. My excuse for my excessive behavior was " Iam at a party, Iam having fun.... Its ok" The thing was I really wasent ok. I spent alot of time falling into a hole that I refused to admit to, I began changing in ways that I just couldent see because I wanted to belive I was alright. Dustin and I's relationchip began to break apart. My Mom was woried out of her witts, and my friends slowly began to look down on me because in reality I just dident care. My life was in shambles and I refused to relize it, I just kept going and going and going. Not comming to any self relization that I was just not me anymore. I wasted alot of time, energy, and self becoming caught up in something that never really benifted me from the start. Yes I am young I know, I have plenty of time to change my life from this point on, and I have been for the last 4 months, but those long 5 years I never can change. I will be haunted with those memorys for the rest of my life. I look back now in the last 4 months that I have been "non-experimental" and have lots of regret and thoughts of "why". Yes I whish more then anything I could go back and change my actions but I know I cant, I can only change what is now. I am asking all of you who "experiment" with things to stop and ask yourself "Am I really ok" If there is one just one person in your life telling you there worried about you, then most likely there is probely something wrong. Dont get me wrong I love to go out and party and have a blast with my friends but I can be sober and have just as good of time if not better. Any one else can to. Please dont get caught up in the "Iam parting... Its ok" cycle. Or the "Iam only doing it on weekends" cycle because I am promising you that Saturday will turn into Tuesday and that Tusday will turn into a Friday and so on. Life is too short to throw it away, belive me I know. In all the years I spent "experimenting" I could of spent it buliding a realationchip with my father, who now is gone. Or going to school, or just living life for me and not a substance. Please no one take offense to what I have just shared, it took a lot of courage for me to even share this, but if it helps with a realization in just one persons life, it was worth it to me... and even if it dosent it still was worth it because this was a huge step for me. I am now finaly back to me again, I am Amanda. I am no longer on a mission to destroy my life. I am probley the most together I have been in a long time, and belive me I am far from perfect but at least I have genuine happines that comes from inside me, not from inside a strawl. xo, Amanda p.s. I just want to take a minute to thank a friend who stuck by me throgh all this..... Lara, girl I love you. Thanks for your love and support! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 15:19:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5463 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 15:19:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 5454 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 15:19:28 -0000 Received: from mole.slip.net (HELO mole) (207.171.193.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 15:19:28 -0000 Received: from sf-pm12-8-40.dialup.slip.net [207.171.197.40] by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xYura-000570-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:19:23 -0800 Message-ID: <34752792.3454@slip.net> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:17:54 +0100 From: Jeff Rahn Reply-To: jrahn@slip.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ENIT Ticket for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I have an extra ticket for sale for the ENIT show on Saturday. It's a sold out show featuring Goldie and goes from 9pm to 6am. If anybody is interested E-mail me privately-thanx:) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 15:37:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10459 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 15:37:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 10448 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 15:37:54 -0000 Received: from mrin46.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin46.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.156) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 15:37:54 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA23441; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:37:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:37:26 -0500 (EST) From: Wyvern47@aol.com Message-ID: <971121103725_-1272996454@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: jer@best.com, case@uclink4.berkeley.edu cc: anarchy@galaxy.galstar.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Part 1, jer's theory! WAS[Re: Sunday morn with danny and jer] Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-21 03:35:37 EST, jer@best.com writes: > pss. I have never really studied or read anything about theories, > philosophies, science, etc.etc., but the guy I discovered this with, > Brian, has. It all makes complete sense to him. But who knows, we both > could be complete morons and confused as fuck, but I still believe it's > all drawn out that way, so it doesn't matter and it doesn't not matter, > it all get's cancled out anyways. > you guys could very well be "complete morons and confused as fuck", but hey, makes for a great conversational piece don't you think? think about the social bonding and the persuit for knowledge (or possibly psuedo-knowledge). i think it's the "persuit" that makes it all the worthwhile, not your final conclusion. in your process for the "way the universe works," you've already stumbled across other things in life that makes you go "hmmm..." plus it's always fun to see you annoy the living daylights out of people who don't really care about your theory! wuvs, -=wyv=- -Long @}---,---'------------------------------ Love everyone because we are a part of you. =) -----------------------------'---,---{@ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 16:15:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21021 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 16:15:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 21002 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 16:15:29 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 16:15:29 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA27841 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA23391; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:08:50 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:17:31 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: A Rave Called Leslie Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The Fairy Rave Mother is Dead. (metaphor) Ressurrected in her spirit, a child is born. t h e b a b y l e s l i e Friday November 21 ??? houseparty From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 17:30:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14076 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 17:29:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 14067 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from f93.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.199) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 17:29:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 27191 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 1997 17:29:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19971121172928.27190.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:29:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Replying to some stuffs Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:29:27 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sorry Jer for I was the one to go against your grain, and My first thought was to not believe a word you say he he :P J/k This weekend I'm gonna be spending with the people that I love the most..as always no plans but to go hang out at th efreezin' beach, chill, relax, and enjoy each other's company and bond-whataword! I have a friend of mine that I haven't been in touch with for a while and he wanted to see me. For some reason though his name is bABy HueY-Great guy by the way :P Have a good weekend everyone and we'll see you at Spirit the next. Peace, Danny >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 20 19:36:56 1997 >Received: (qmail 12123 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 03:35:54 -0000 >Received: (qmail 12114 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 03:35:52 -0000 >Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 03:35:52 -0000 >Received: from best.com (jer.vip.best.com [206.86.7.43]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id TAA01366; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:24:44 -0800 (PST) >Message-ID: <347501E6.D6F55C26@best.com> >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:37:10 -0800 >From: just jer >Organization: @spire >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: josh sorkin >CC: "U.A.A." , sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Part 1, jer's theory! WAS[Re: Sunday morn with danny and jer] >References: <3.0.32.19971120173947.006fc044@uclink4.berkeley.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >hmmmm I really wanna.... but it's really hard to explain and easy to >understand. I don't even have it on paper yet.... it almost seems like >there are some aspects of the whole thing that can't be explained, >because they've never ever been thought of before. > >I'll try and explain one part of it... > >This is one thing that I thought of. >First I have to explain how I think the learning process works. You >learn by comparing and contrasting one thought with either, outside >influence or another thought. Then another thought is created. And that >goes on and on and on... blah blah blah. Now check this out... > >Two people fuck, and boom, conception. Sperm meets egg and cells start >to split. A brain is formed. There must be a point when the brain >becomes functional. Now the brain is functional and there must be >something there, like a thought, in order for the child to function. >Where did the original thought or something come from? Well let's say >the original something came from the DNA strand that was created when >sperm met egg. > >Now we take it back to the beginning of time >BIG BANG. blah blah blah.... wow... check that out....finally one single >celled organism being influenced by it's surroundings. It reproduces >itself, and more single celled organisms are created, influenced by each >other and their surroundings. Time goes by, evolution progresses, and >now we have an organism that evolved from a single celled asexual >organism, into an organism that reproduces by sexual intercourse. blah >blah blah, what am I getting at here? > >well we started out with one single celled asexual organism with one dna >strand that's evolving as evolution progresses, and now we have us. that >dna strand has evolved over time, and I believe that is the one thing >that give the functional brain or mind, that one something that is need >for a functional human. I believe that one dna strand contains the >information that puts the splitting cells where they go. It gives us all >our so called instincts. It give us the abilty to learn and still >evolve. > >That's one part of it that isn't even complete. I don't really have much >of a formal education, so I don't know how much of that really does work >based on science, biology, and physiology as we know it. You can draw >your own conclusions based on what I've said. > >I now belive that life is all predetermined based on something like >"cause and effect", and that as the universe is expanding and will >contract into what the big bang was, and all happen again the same exact >way. We're stuck in a loop! =) everything that you think/say about this >whole e-mail is drawn out that way! > > >stuckinaloop.jer =) > >ps. remember! that's only one part of my whole theory/philosophy. > >pss. I have never really studied or read anything about theories, >philosophies, science, etc.etc., but the guy I discovered this with, >Brian, has. It all makes complete sense to him. But who knows, we both >could be complete morons and confused as fuck, but I still believe it's >all drawn out that way, so it doesn't matter and it doesn't not matter, >it all get's cancled out anyways. > >josh sorkin wrote: >> >> At 11:47 AM 11/20/97 -0800, just jer wrote: >> > What me and Brian came up with seems to >> >complete it, a theory that ties all the sciences together, and makes >> >everything we know, think, and do make complete sense! It could very >> >well be the most amazing discovery since the begining of time. >> >> this i gotta hear about...post it! >> --------------------------------- >> "do i dare disturb the universe?" > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 17:38:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17952 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 17:38:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 17943 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 17:38:22 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 17:38:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19971121174046.13643.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.238.205] by web2; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:40:46 PST Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Dorena C. Bernabe" Subject: Frankie Knuckles @ Nikita To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey everyone, i hope to see some of you guys tonight at nikita. i've been dying to see frankie knuckles for a long time now. some of the rfsf will be representing. -dorena P.S. hey raf, happy belated birthday....yo raf i love you (imagine the NJ accent) let's runaway to coney island, i'll buy you some cotton candy and a hot dog....ha ha!!!! === "Free your mind and your ass will follow." -Parliament Funkadelic From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 17:46:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21682 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 17:46:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 21674 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 17:46:28 -0000 Received: from liberty5.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.165) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 17:46:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 17974 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 1997 17:46:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19971121174601.17973.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:46:00 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: A song that makes you melt!! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:46:00 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I don't know if any of you out there have heard this song on the radio, but it is the most moving, emotional, happy, and loving song that I've heard since "Dancing Queen" by Abba-just really kidding, don't take me so seriously geeesh :) The song is entitled "You're Not Alone" by Olive, check it out and you'll see what I'm saying-Byroni, I think you'd especially enjoy it. The Lyrics are amazing in the way that it completely deals with unconditional loves and the people you care about and they go together so well. And I want to marry the vocalist :P Latuz, Danny From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 17:53:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23279 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 17:53:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 23270 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 17:53:10 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 17:53:10 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xYxGF-0006EB-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:52:59 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:53:06 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: bABy HueY cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: A song that makes you melt!! In-Reply-To: <19971121174601.17973.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk :) I've heard this song before. It's pretty good.... but I do like ABBA... and "Dancing Queen" is pretty nice. SERIOUSLY. I like 'em. Cheesy or not, I'm down with them. Hehe. I'm like that. Anyone else going to NIKITA other than Dorena, Ed, Ari, Jeff and myself...??? We gots to see Frankie Nuckles.... You know I'm going to be at the for-front baby.... it'll be fun if some of you guys come as well. Man. I've been taking these "Mega Green" vitamins (I take 3 a day like you're supposed to) and I've been feeling SO good. A lot more energy, less fatigue, etc. It's nice. $29 from GNC..... Anyone out there living on your own away from your parents and have no where to go for Thanksgiving??? We should all make sure that we bring these people with us to our warm families to be filled with warm yummy food. So be sure to ask you friends what their doing because some people won't invite themselves..... Welly, welly, welly, welly, well..... talk to you guys later. -- ----- ------------** Byroni **--- - - - On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, bABy HueY wrote: > I don't know if any of you out there have heard this song on the radio, > but it is the most moving, emotional, happy, and loving song that I've > heard since "Dancing Queen" by Abba-just really kidding, don't take me > so seriously geeesh :) > The song is entitled "You're Not Alone" by Olive, check it out and > you'll see what I'm saying-Byroni, I think you'd especially enjoy it. > The Lyrics are amazing in the way that it completely deals with > unconditional loves and the people you care about and they go together > so well. And I want to marry the vocalist :P > Latuz, > Danny > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 17:55:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24512 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 17:55:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 24502 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 17:55:14 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 17:55:14 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA10109 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:54:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:54:47 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971121125446_1247744335@mrin39> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ICQ?? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay, Natasha's lost...what's ICQ? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 17:55:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25064 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 17:55:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 25053 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 17:55:40 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 17:55:40 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xYxIe-0006JL-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:55:28 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:55:36 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: SolR cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR - Great American Smoke Out In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971120130505.00b4c0b4@deepwell.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Haha... I wish I had that pleasure..... that's what off hours are for... and that's how you motivate yourself to work twice as hard.... for the reward that follows..... :) Besides, If I did that too much I'd get caught since I'm on phones all day... or at least 5 hours a day... hehe.... but sometimes it happens!..... like maybe today. :) hehe.. Byroni ps. I'm dreamin' of a green christmas........ just like Bob Marley used to know.,... On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, SolR wrote: > so, anyone else sitting at work or other wise doing bong rips for the Great > American Smoke Out.. > > heheh.... > > passdatbadboy, > -SolR > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 18:54:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15506 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 18:54:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 15496 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 18:54:14 -0000 Received: from germany-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO germany.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.123) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 18:54:13 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (pool001-max1.oakland-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.146.1]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01495 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:54:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3475DC41.500B@earthlink.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:08:49 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Can anyone bring a system? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey y'all! I'm just figuring out the formalities of this lil' house shindig. I welcome anyone who is inclined, to bring their spinning material. I had initially asked for DJs who were interested, but it seems as though the spirit of giving and mixing are alive & well! I've had quite a few responses. Now don't flake on me you guys/gals. I've sent responses to all that inquired, but I only got a few confirmations. I don't want to have to get up there and spin the whole time all by myself! (Oh Noah! Aren't you glad you're not gonna be here ; ) If you are willing to bring a set-up I'd be much appreciative... I'll even help you carry the stuff in! (just ask Meeks about my brute strength and volunteer work!) One more thing. My niece is going to be here, so if there's going to be any 'use', please don't do it while @ the house. I'm responsible for her, and I take that responsibility seriously. I'd like this to be an unjaded, positive experience for her... and for all of us! I'm sure that if you have to wait until later in the evning to indulge, you'll live. -TRACY From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 20:08:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7088 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 20:08:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7071 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 20:08:27 -0000 Received: from mrin58.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin58.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.168) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 20:08:27 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA12101; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:07:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:07:59 -0500 (EST) From: PHUNKN3@aol.com Message-ID: <971121150759_260207548@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: SPECIAL GUEST@PHUNCKATECK!!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This Wednesday (11/26) @ PHUNCKATECK we will have a special guest from the UK. HINT: He's in town for the ENIT festival.....will perform live @ BIMBO'S.....Will also be a @ BETA LOUNGE....hmmmmm I will post a reminder next week, but, make sure you mark your calendars for this one!!! PHUNCKATECK INFO LINE: 415.331.1500 EXT.160 PEACE PHUNCKN3@AOL.COM *Human attitudes and specifically human ways of thinking about the world are the results of dance and song* John Blacking From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 20:16:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8514 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 20:16:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 8506 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 20:16:12 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 20:16:12 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PwV13213; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:14:40 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:19:23 -0800 Subject: Re: A song that makes you melt!! Message-ID: <19971118.102056.7446.1.drek1@juno.com> References: <19971121174601.17973.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-11,13-32 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I totally know what you're talking about. One time me and my friend were hanging out, a bit blunt headed mind you, and he bought that single on tape. It was really emotional. It hella made me think of having a girlfriend again. For sure Byroni would like it. Bye now. dErEk On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:46:00 GMT "bABy HueY" writes: >I don't know if any of you out there have heard this song on the >radio, >but it is the most moving, emotional, happy, and loving song that I've > >heard since "Dancing Queen" by Abba-just really kidding, don't take me > >so seriously geeesh :) > The song is entitled "You're Not Alone" by Olive, check it out and >you'll see what I'm saying-Byroni, I think you'd especially enjoy it. > >The Lyrics are amazing in the way that it completely deals with >unconditional loves and the people you care about and they go together > >so well. And I want to marry the vocalist :P >Latuz, >Danny > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 21:11:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23886 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 21:11:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 23869 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 21:11:19 -0000 Received: from lbin.com (HELO light.lbin.com) (204.30.25.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 21:11:19 -0000 Received: by light.lbin.com (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3) id ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:06:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3475F8C3.ECDD3E55@lbin.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:10:27 -0800 From: Ryan PC Gibson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: electronica hanukah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hello, i saw an ad in the 'weekly' about a show at Slim's with keoki, josh wink, crystal method, dj shadow and meat beat manifesto. december 6th, $25 i believe. i just looked at the pollstar web page, and they list the show as going on at the kezar pavilion - with the sneaker pimps replacing josh wink. does anyone know what is up with this show? if it is at Slim's, what is that place like (my coworker told me NASTY and TO BE AVOIDED...true?) to add process to cheese slice, the ad in the paper mentions the show is "brought to you by" sam adams beer and live 106. if it is brought by these wealthy companies, how come tickets are $25!!! :O - ryan. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 22:11:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11164 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 22:11:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 11156 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 22:11:46 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.9) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 22:11:46 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA12793; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:09:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca9-57.ix.netcom.com(207.93.148.121) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012772; Fri Nov 21 16:08:55 1997 Message-ID: <34760669.AFCCA538@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:08:41 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr , PeterRabbit , Customer Service CC: leslie@netcommunications.net, sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org, "Eddie D. Daggett" Subject: Re: plurity response References: <199711210545.VAA23484@mom.hooked.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk As someone who has been In this scene for as many years as I have, you learn a bit about the intrinsic philosophy of PLUR.... And especially about Respect, and you realize, that as much as you may want to... you just Can't impose your personal ethics or morality on other people.. that's absolutely disrespectful. So you have to let them decide for themselves what it is they want to do. Through much trial and error, I have learned that influencing positive behavior, is a lot more effective than discouraging negative behavior. it is also more respectful and allows people to be themselves. No promoter or organizer can in any way manifest a philosophy as deep as PLUR at any function to 100% of the attendees. The best you can do is set the stage, and hold your breath, and Maybe, some of the people will be enlightened. But that's the best you can hope for. This scene is no more corrupt than the people that are in it. Every promoter out there has the same goal... to have a great party, and bring people together through music and dancing. And I would say (from a personal observation) that it is working, and the majority of people that come to raves, are positively effected in some way or another, and a few, are negatively effected in one way or another... but that's the nature of things. (you can't have good without bad) and as long as I personally feel that this scene/community is generating more good than bad, than I will be a part of it. Sometimes the ends don't justify the means, but most of the time, and in most cases, they do.... And that's the important thing. >From what YOU wrote below, It sounds like YOU have wonderful ideas of what YOU want to see this scene becoming... and for YOU... That's YOUR dream. But Not Everyone shares YOUR views. In fact, Many people like things just the way they are. House parties are wonderful, But isn't a house party just one big clique? At the end of the statement below you wrote: "there are a lot of negative people in san francisco,they are hust all at the "massives" The underground scene is amazing...." Well, this may be true, but What are YOU doing about it? It sounds to me like your vision of this scene is No Massives, and just a bunch of house parties, with great music. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but you're 8 years too late. Any ways, I can go on for ever.... so I won't. But think about what Leslie wrote. Her words made a lot of sense, In fact you should read it twice. Best of luck to you, and your movement. Keep it Real, Vlad Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr wrote: > I have been raving or dancing or whatever you want call it....groovin' for > approx. 4 years. I love the san francisco rave scene more than anything and > i did go to viberation on sat., some of my friends Herb and AndyW were very > involved with the party. I am only tfying to say in that flyer that certains > aspects of the 'rave" scene are very judgemental and cliqish. I came from > denver where everyone is on speed and the promoters are trying to kill each > other(or they were at one point,I can't possibly know all of what has gone > down lately)It was very evil and exactly how I stated it in The Dream. I > have a dream that someday people will all gather in a house,like a real > house and somebody will spinning on the decks,it doesn't really matter who, > and everyone will be groovin'to beats and chilling and making friends.My > dream is to put together parties where the emphasis is soley on the > music,the people and the energy they can create together. I only generalized > that flyer so that anyone could pick it up and read it and understand it. I > care so much about the rave scene or music culture or whatever it > is.....just music...... i have so much love for good beats...they challenge > the mind and move the soul... the people i have met out here are > wounderful,but there are a lot of negative people in san francisco,they are > hust all at the "massives" The underground scene is amazing....Peace,love > and most importantly respect.....UHM1998 > __ > Mary Ellen Herr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 22:18:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13404 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 22:18:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 13384 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 22:18:22 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 22:18:22 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA11681; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:27:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA26602; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:11:55 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:20:36 -0800 To: Ryan PC Gibson From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: Re: electronica hanukah Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >hello, > > i saw an ad in the 'weekly' about a show at Slim's with keoki, josh >wink, crystal method, dj shadow and meat beat manifesto. december 6th, >$25 i believe. i just looked at the pollstar web page, and they list >the show as going on at the kezar pavilion - with the sneaker pimps >replacing josh wink. does anyone know what is up with this show? if it >is at Slim's, what is that place like (my coworker told me NASTY and TO >BE AVOIDED...true?) > > to add process to cheese slice, the ad in the paper mentions the >show is "brought to you by" sam adams beer and live 106. if it is >brought by these wealthy companies, how come tickets are $25!!! :O because every Chip Fratboy and Biff Beerdrinker in the bay area is going to be there. They make up in volume. I think you have a pretty good idea what it's going to be like. b))m From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 22:47:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21411 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 22:47:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 21390 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 22:47:18 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 22:47:18 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12813 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA26889; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:40:59 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:49:36 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: Re: electronica hanukah Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk keoki, josh >>wink, crystal method, dj shadow and meat beat manifesto. to get a clearer idea, look at the line-up. It's a rockstar marquee. I can't imagine any flowing "vibe" or continuity at a party like this. Just big names. b))m From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 23:28:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 655 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 23:28:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 647 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 23:28:19 -0000 Received: from lbin.com (HELO light.lbin.com) (204.30.25.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 23:28:19 -0000 Received: by light.lbin.com (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3) id ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:23:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347618E2.31228151@lbin.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:27:30 -0800 From: Ryan PC Gibson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: electronica hanukah References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk it's a shame though...dj shadow is something special, IMHO, but i could do without Biff Beerdrinker, as you so eloquently put it. i can't find any other appearances listed for my favorite dj savior in the next twelve months. boo hoo, sob sob. - ryan. Peter Sandifer wrote: > keoki, josh > >>wink, crystal method, dj shadow and meat beat manifesto. > > to get a clearer idea, look at the line-up. It's a rockstar marquee. I > can't imagine any flowing "vibe" or continuity at a party like this. Just > big names. > > b))m From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 23:29:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1245 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 23:29:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 1236 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 23:29:31 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 23:29:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 2042 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 23:33:00 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 23:33:00 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971121152731.00a62d54@sacraves.org> X-Sender: solr@sacraves.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:27:31 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: ICQ In-Reply-To: <19971121062609.28465.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 10:26 PM 11/20/97 PST, you wrote: >hey everybody!!! i've got ICQ too!! ***** on during work.. but always up for a couple lines... 4984247 peace, -SolR p.s. don't know icq very well [new to it], so anyone who as already added me to thier list.. i changed my nick to SolR if you need to know that for some reason... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 23:42:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4081 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 23:42:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 4071 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 23:42:06 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 23:42:06 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26902 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:41:22 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n6-181.napanet.net [157.22.193.181]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25070 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:41:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971121153848.0079e100@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:38:48 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: llevi Butterfield Subject: Re: electronica hanukah In-Reply-To: <3475F8C3.ECDD3E55@lbin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 01:10 PM 11/21/97 -0800, you wrote: >hello, > > i saw an ad in the 'weekly' about a show at Slim's with keoki, josh >wink, crystal method, dj shadow and meat beat manifesto. december 6th, >$25 i believe. i just looked at the pollstar web page, and they list >the show as going on at the kezar pavilion - with the sneaker pimps >replacing josh wink. does anyone know what is up with this show? if it >is at Slim's, what is that place like (my coworker told me NASTY and TO >BE AVOIDED...true?) > > to add process to cheese slice, the ad in the paper mentions the >show is "brought to you by" sam adams beer and live 106. if it is >brought by these wealthy companies, how come tickets are $25!!! :O > > - ryan. > > Tickets are 25 bucks because Live 105 is promoting it. It is just a wannabe thing that has no originality whatsoever. Even if Meat Beat Manifesto is going to be there.. I've gone to Live 105 parties and they just make you nautious, in my opinion. It's just a big promotion stunt for the radio station, they don't care about throwing anything with any meaning, they just want money. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 23:49:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6014 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 23:49:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 5998 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 23:49:33 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 23:49:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 23830 invoked by alias); 21 Nov 1997 23:49:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19971121234931.23829.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 23816 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 23:49:29 -0000 Received: from madmax-39.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.39) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 23:49:29 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: Natasha426@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:49:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: NNR Re: ICQ?? Reply-to: Faro@usa.net In-reply-to: <971121125446_1247744335@mrin39> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > Okay, Natasha's lost...what's ICQ? > First: All these wonderful people are giving out there ICQ#'s so here's mine: 2327563 Second: What is ICQ?... check out the Mirabilis home page at : http://www.mirabilis.com/ This will probably answer all the question you have. but in brief.. It is, as Break Dancer stated, a program that sit's in your system tray (mines not very idle though ;-)). And in some respects it is very much like IRC.. except you generally are dealing only with individual people(there are a few ICQ "groups").. more one on one. The program alerts you when other users on your list are on-line (and running ICQ). you can then chat with them in a dialog-like window. You can als just send short messages.. regardless of whether they are online or not (something that is difficult to do over IRC) which I guess is sort of like email.. only faster. All these UIN's (universal internet numbers) you have been seeing is the method that ICQ uses to keep track of who is who. Everyone is assigned their own unique number.. sort of like a static IP if you're familiar w/ networking fundamentals. ICQ.. also supports a lot of third party programs like netscape conference etc.. that you can run over their network.. but these are not used very much in my experience. Still.. the potential is their to use ICQ as a powerful collaborative tool and I would not be surprised if some businesses are taking advantage of this. Despite the large number of users, ICQ is currently in Beta, and free.. but they may charge for their service later.. so be aware of that. Still.. It is definitely worth checking out if you have never used it. -Faro Faro@usa.net I love to dance. It's like standing still only faster..... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 23:56:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8860 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 23:56:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8851 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 23:56:43 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 23:56:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 3044 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 00:00:15 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 00:00:15 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971121155444.00a60898@sacraves.org> X-Sender: solr@sacraves.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:54:44 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: NRR- Re: OCR-obsessively compulsive Ravers In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 01:52 AM 11/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >REALLY? when you started raving, didn't you all know that there was a >rather large amount of drug usage in it? what was your first **** There is? Oh my gosh.. my mommy isn't going to let me rave anymore if she finds that out. Even worse... I'm not allowed to lie... if she asks me again... I'm ruined! What *will* I do? underwaterbasketweaver, -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 21 23:59:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10232 invoked by uid 6000); 21 Nov 1997 23:59:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 10218 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 23:59:37 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 23:59:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id PAA04544; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:59:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:59:35 -0800 (PST) From: To: Brian Behlendorf cc: fish1111@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Help Re: NRR: recent hard times In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971120185830.0098ad50@hyperreal.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > At 09:56 AM 11/20/97 -0800, blkadder@value.net wrote: > >Step #4: (And the main reason I am sending this to the whole list) > > Contact Brian(brian@hyperreal.org) No one on SF-Raves should > > suffer harrasment from other member of SF-Raves, and anyone > > found doing so who will not stop should be kicked off. > > Blkadder, you of all people should know I can't control the off-list > behavior of list members, and I don't believe in using access to the list > as some sort of punishment instrument, especially for actions I myself > haven't witnessed. > Were someone to be abusive *through* this list, that's > a different issue, and I'd handle it. I don't know, mailbombing someone based upon messages distributed by the list seems to fall under this category, which is why I brought it up. Foolish Fish if I am not mistaken was being mailbombed as a direct result of messages he posted to *SF Raves*, not to Sharif privately. *That* is what makes it within your pervue. Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 00:16:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13918 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 00:16:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 13785 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 00:16:35 -0000 Received: from localhost.hyperreal.org (HELO brianb.organic.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 00:16:35 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971121161057.009b0260@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:10:57 -0800 To: From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: Help Re: NRR: recent hard times Cc: fish1111@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19971120185830.0098ad50@hyperreal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 03:59 PM 11/21/97 -0800, blkadder@value.net wrote: >I don't know, mailbombing someone based upon messages distributed by the >list seems to fall under this category, which is why I brought it up. >Foolish Fish if I am not mistaken was being mailbombed as a direct result >of messages he posted to *SF Raves*, not to Sharif privately. *That* is >what makes it within your pervue. Hmm, I'm still not convinced. In seeing similar things happen on other lists, one quite serious in fact, the more I get involved in a dispute between two list members, the greater my responsibility becomes to resolve *all* disputes between list members. I simply don't have the personal energy to put on a badge and uniform and be list-cop, or be attacked for making a decision like that. I'm willing (not eager, but willing) to take on disputes which manifest themselves through the list. Duane, I see you're using Netscape mail - if you could upgrade to 3.0, at least, I think you can filter out mail from particular addresses. Maybe 2.0 does that as well, I'm not sure. That would be my ideal solution. Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig brian@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 00:53:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23111 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 00:53:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 23102 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 00:53:40 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 00:53:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA31895 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:51:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:51:41 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ENIT -- i need tix Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk god i feel annoying spamming the list on this, but a few friends including myself thought we had tickets guaranteed, but the person who was selling them to us backed out last second. i need 4 tix BIGTIME! ken kesey and the merry pranksters i've been dying to see something put on by them, the book "the electric kool-aid acid test" changed my outlooks on alot of things, and forced me to be "outfront" and "on the bus" with my friends. anyone else love this book as much as me? anyone got ENIT tix? email me or call me (408)782-0515 thanx baybeee xo lara From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 00:55:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23802 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 00:54:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 23794 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 00:54:54 -0000 Received: from admvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.2.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 00:54:54 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.236 (XYP3-PORT6.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQA1CKNQBE936LVI@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:46:40 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:58:25 -0800 From: dOpE Subject: Re: SPECIAL GUEST@PHUNCKATECK!!! To: PHUNKN3@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <3294FAB1.3BF6@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <971121150759_260207548@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hmm... it wouldn't happen to begin with a G would it? hehehahahoho!! _doreen_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 00:58:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24771 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 00:58:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 24763 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 00:57:59 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 00:57:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA31814; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:48:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:48:35 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: Kalidosope@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: My Story... (was sober raving) In-Reply-To: <971121094335_1138994076@mrin38> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Amanda, no one has ever looked down upon you hun. You deserve all the love you get, and baby, I'm proud of you! You strong woman you! xo lara From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 01:07:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27606 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 01:07:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 27591 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 01:07:10 -0000 Received: from galaxy.galstar.com (anarchy@204.251.80.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 01:07:10 -0000 Received: (from anarchy@localhost) by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15590 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:07:08 -0600 (CST) From: "U.A.A." Message-Id: <199711220107.TAA15590@galaxy.galstar.com> Subject: Enit Tix To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:07:08 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I feel ya lara.... I totally want to be there to check out janes. goldie and every1 else performing but alas no tickets. I think i may hang out and see what the scalpers are selling them for. Umm what is face value on the tickets anyways. That way I know how much I am getting jacked by scalpers ... = ) Herb From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 01:19:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29179 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 01:19:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 29169 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 01:19:27 -0000 Received: from mail01.kla-tencor.com (HELO kla-tencor.com) (206.67.220.38) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 01:19:27 -0000 Received: from milxbh03.tencor.com by kla-tencor.com (8.8.5/KLA-Tencor.3.4ir) id RAA14313; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:18:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711220118.RAA14313@kla-tencor.com> Received: by exchange3.kla-tencor.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:16:12 -0800 From: "Stirling, Earl" To: SFraves@hyperreal.org, "'XGrRLsTrX@aol.com'" Subject: RE: SoO who's gonna get some LOVE on Fri? Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:19:40 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i am dodger > ---------- > From: XGrRLsTrX@aol.com[SMTP:XGrRLsTrX@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 1997 5:34 PM > To: SFraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: SoO who's gonna get some LOVE on Fri? > > I'm going to <3 LOVE <3 tomorrow nite...anyone else coming? > > > -=~*LaUrE@*~=- > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 01:34:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2143 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 01:34:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 2135 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 01:34:27 -0000 Received: from fillmore.criticalpath.net (209.104.216.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 01:34:27 -0000 Received: (cpmta 15093 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 01:33:58 GMT Received: from compare14.grin.net (HELO compare.net) (208.225.136.14) by compare.net.criticalpath.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 17:33:58 -0800 X-CriticalPath-Timestamp: 22 Nov 1997 01:33:58 GMT Message-ID: <347637B8.B22225F@compare.net> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:39:04 -0800 From: steve X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: SPECIAL GUEST@PHUNCKATECK!!! References: <971121150759_260207548@mrin58.mail.aol.com> <3294FAB1.3BF6@sonoma.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk And rhymes with "moldy" . . . dOpE wrote: > > Hmm... > it wouldn't happen to begin with a G would it? > hehehahahoho!! > > _doreen_ -- And now, a shameless plug for my workplace! Before you buy: http://www.compare.net/ Information is Power From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 02:09:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12010 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 02:09:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 12002 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 02:09:23 -0000 Received: from precipice.v-site.net (204.188.120.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 02:09:23 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.161] (g0d.oobe.com [205.162.25.161]) by precipice.v-site.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA29819; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:18:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:15:05 -0800 To: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) From: astral matrix Subject: speaking of vibes... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk speaking of vibes, one of the most powerful I felt was at the Pink Floyd concert in '87 at Oakland Statium when it was poaring rain to the opening guitar chimes of "Shine On". 50,000+ people united and held together by the sound of a bunch of bigname rockstars- who would have thought... > keoki, josh >>>wink, crystal method, dj shadow and meat beat manifesto. > > >to get a clearer idea, look at the line-up. It's a rockstar marquee. I >can't imagine any flowing "vibe" or continuity at a party like this. Just >big names. > >b))m From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 02:12:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12699 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 02:12:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 12691 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 02:12:23 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 02:12:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19971122020951.1537.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [153.35.233.211] by attach1; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:09:51 PST Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:09:51 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: Re: Love me do To: XGrRLsTrX@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk My friend is dragging me along- well ok he's not having to try that hard. But oh is my body getting sore lessee notv mon liquid tues vsf thurs yep, I am one of them obsessive compulsive ravers tank god for ALLEVE tm. pjfuzzyliftingdrink ---XGrRLsTrX@aol.com wrote: > > I'm going to <3 LOVE <3 tomorrow nite...anyone else coming? > > > -=~*LaUrE@*~=- > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 02:12:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13221 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 02:12:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 13189 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 02:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.net) (130.93.132.205) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 02:12:32 -0000 Received: from Blackhole (ts011d41.cup-ca.concentric.net [209.31.12.53]) by post.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22135 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:10:36 -0800 Received: from Blackhole (ts011d41.cup-ca.concentric.net [209.31.12.53]) by post.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22135 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:10:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971121180957.007f4aa0@post.net> X-Sender: sean@post.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:09:57 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Sean Casey Subject: Saw a flyer for SISTER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Just last night, I was scanning the calendar and mentioned to Maui that there seemed to be hardly any women DJs playing. Then much to my delight, she finds this flyer today. Info line says it's a Monday weekly, first party is Dec 1, 10pm-3am. We're there! SISTER This month's rotation is comprised of: charlotte the baroness polywog annie (sister) kristin (sister) dani tracy sage (phunkateck) goldie lox star eyes (b.a.s.s. kru) INFO: 415-255-4333 LOCATION: cats alley (1190 Folsom @ 8th) They have a web site, but I couldn't make out the URL... Sean From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 02:15:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13912 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 02:15:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 13903 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 02:15:34 -0000 Received: from mrin86.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin86.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.196) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 02:15:34 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA22389 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:15:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:15:06 -0500 (EST) From: Too4Short@aol.com Message-ID: <971121211506_1470267542@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: party info for saturday Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Here's Something I Found...Check It Out If Your In The Area Or Bored.... Saturday November 22, 1997 A GP Inc. Event... Party Info: Dj's: Chris Collin John Tim Vinnie Directions: An East Bay/Livermore Location 580 East Exit Portola Right Murrieta Right On Holmes Down 2 Miles Left On Lexington Right On Regent End Of Street On Left Side 2590 Regent Road (510) 306-8859 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 02:41:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20066 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 02:41:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 20048 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 02:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.26) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 02:41:55 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca26-06.ix.netcom.com [204.31.235.38]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13787 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:34:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3476477E.80064378@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:46:22 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SFRaves Subject: Love??Big Heart? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Is anyone gonna go 2 love?? It's at big heart. Are they strict on ID there? Love, Paul*E*Wog From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 02:53:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21511 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 02:53:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 21493 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 02:53:55 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 02:53:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 21372 invoked by alias); 22 Nov 1997 02:53:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19971122025353.21371.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 21357 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 02:53:52 -0000 Received: from madmax-175.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.175) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 02:53:52 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: "Dorena C. Bernabe" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:53:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Frankie Knuckles @ Nikita Reply-to: Faro@usa.net CC: maya katz In-reply-to: <19971121174046.13643.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I've decided to go to nikita as well I'll head over to the right front speaker at some point and say Hi. Or, you can probably find me front and center :-) Hope to see you there. -Faro Faro@usa.net I love to dance. It's like standing still only faster..... > hey everyone, > i hope to see some of you guys tonight at nikita. i've been dying > to see frankie knuckles for a long time now. some of the rfsf will be > representing. > > > -dorena From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 04:52:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5276 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 04:52:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 5267 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 04:52:04 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 04:52:04 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-48.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.48]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id UAA29928 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:52:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347651C8.756@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:30:16 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: speaking of vibes... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk astral matrix wrote: > > speaking of vibes, one of the most powerful I felt was at the Pink Floyd > concert in '87 at Oakland Statium when it was poaring rain to the opening > guitar chimes of "Shine On". Are there any techno versions of pink floyd music? Something like what moby did with james bond? ><{{{"> <"}}}>< From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 07:33:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23647 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 07:32:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 23639 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 07:32:56 -0000 Received: from viking.dvc.edu (192.235.0.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 07:32:56 -0000 Received: by viking.dvc.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0xZA8I-002QXLC; Fri, 21 Nov 97 23:37 PST Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:37:38 -0800 (PST) From: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Saw a flyer for SISTER In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19971121180957.007f4aa0@post.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Reminds me of back in the day when there was a weekly with DRC and friends called "Your Sister's House". Does anyone on this list remember? Once I get done with this semester's barrage of junior college work, I will check this weekly out. Rave On! Mr. E ==== > SISTER > This month's rotation is comprised of: > > charlotte the baroness > polywog > annie (sister) > kristin (sister) > dani > tracy > sage (phunkateck) > goldie lox > star eyes (b.a.s.s. kru) > > INFO: 415-255-4333 > LOCATION: cats alley (1190 Folsom @ 8th) > > They have a web site, but I couldn't make out the URL... > > Sean > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 11:08:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26484 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 11:08:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 26476 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 11:08:04 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 11:08:04 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA19651; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 03:08:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971122030913.006920b4@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 03:09:13 -0800 To: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr From: VespaRaver Subject: Underground House Movement Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <199711212309.PAA17014@mom.hooked.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Thanks for the info about the Underground House Movement...How do you keep a good continuous vibe going mixing all those styles in one room? VespaRaver ================================================= ************************************************* "Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 11:53:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7576 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 11:53:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 7568 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 11:53:56 -0000 Received: from liberty5.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.165) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 11:53:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 23083 invoked by uid 0); 22 Nov 1997 11:53:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19971122115321.23082.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.159.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 03:53:20 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.159.129] From: "maya katz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sean@post.net Subject: Re: Saw a flyer for SISTER Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 03:53:20 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This party is going to be PHAT!!!! everybody needs to go! Annie is a good friend of mine, and she spins a lot on friday or satuday nights at the skylark- it is over on 16th, (at valencia- near pancho villa's) in the mission, and it is a bar- but it has a few excellent dj's there on the weekends if anyone is into a great chill out kind of scene. down tempo, trip hop, hip hop, (french and intl.) and jungle. GO fer shure!!!! <3, maya >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:09:57 -0800 >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >From: Sean Casey >Subject: Saw a flyer for SISTER > >Just last night, I was scanning the calendar and mentioned to >Maui that there seemed to be hardly any women DJs playing. >Then much to my delight, she finds this flyer today. Info line >says it's a Monday weekly, first party is Dec 1, 10pm-3am. We're >there! > >SISTER >This month's rotation is comprised of: > >charlotte the baroness >polywog >annie (sister) >kristin (sister) >dani >tracy >sage (phunkateck) >goldie lox >star eyes (b.a.s.s. kru) > >INFO: 415-255-4333 >LOCATION: cats alley (1190 Folsom @ 8th) > >They have a web site, but I couldn't make out the URL... > >Sean > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 16:02:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25424 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 16:02:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 25416 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 16:02:52 -0000 Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.184.79) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 16:02:52 -0000 Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager.concentric.net [206.173.119.82]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(97/11/17 5.8)) id LAA14431; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:02:51 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from localhost by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id LAA06659; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:02:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:02:49 -0500 (EST) From: LAKSMI To: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Saw a flyer for SISTER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, 96fa295 wrote: > Reminds me of back in the day when there was a weekly with DRC and > friends called "Your Sister's House". > > Does anyone on this list remember? > Aaahhh, yes...... do you remember the open forum type of discussion that took place before every party? that was a much welcome time to to get to know people before the base turned us all in to dancing fools. *********************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forests, go naked in the summertime that you regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. J.W. Parsons *********************************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 16:51:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1379 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 16:51:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 1369 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 16:51:29 -0000 Received: from value.net (raygun@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 16:51:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA25390; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:51:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:51:26 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: Jeff Rahn cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Goldie/ENIT ticket for sale In-Reply-To: <347481BE.6D72@slip.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was just wondering how many of you will be going to the festival tonight?.............Reagan On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Jeff Rahn wrote: > I have an extra ticket for sale for the ENIT show if anybody is interested. > E-mail me privately-thanx:) > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 16:55:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2473 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 16:55:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 2465 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 16:55:41 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 16:55:41 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18385; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:05:25 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jsl-thz@v-site.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:57:05 -0800 To: astral matrix From: Megan Haggerty Subject: Re: speaking of vibes... Cc: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer), sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk How can this be??? Pink Floyd??? But... But... They're... (gulp)... FAMOUS! Didn't you know once someone gets famous they cease to be themselves and there is no possible way for them to do anything with any sort of "vibe"? (dripping with sarcasm) Better look out, Andrew! You're next! Megan At 6:15 PM -0800 11/21/97, astral matrix wrote: >speaking of vibes, one of the most powerful I felt was at the Pink Floyd >concert in '87 at Oakland Statium when it was poaring rain to the opening >guitar chimes of "Shine On". > >50,000+ people united and held together by the sound of a bunch of bigname >rockstars- who would have thought... > > > >> keoki, josh >>>>wink, crystal method, dj shadow and meat beat manifesto. >> >> >>to get a clearer idea, look at the line-up. It's a rockstar marquee. I >>can't imagine any flowing "vibe" or continuity at a party like this. Just >>big names. >> >>b))m From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 17:02:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3783 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 17:02:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 3775 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 17:02:11 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 17:02:11 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18394; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:11:57 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jsl-thz@v-site.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19971121180957.007f4aa0@post.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:03:38 -0800 To: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> From: Megan Haggerty Subject: Re: Saw a flyer for SISTER Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 11:37 PM -0800 11/21/97, 96fa295 wrote: >Reminds me of back in the day when there was a weekly with DRC and >friends called "Your Sister's House". > >Does anyone on this list remember? > >Once I get done with this semester's barrage of junior college work, I >will check this weekly out. > >Rave On! Mr. E YEAH!!! This was a dope little party they had goin' on! I remember it, well! Lots of groovy beats with a very cool underground crowd. That's the fist thing I thought of when I saw the SISTER post. I might check the new weekly out. Only problem is that it is on Mondays. I don't do the going out on week nights thing. We'll see... Megan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 17:22:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6273 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 17:22:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 6265 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 17:22:04 -0000 Received: from x86.webcom.com (209.1.28.59) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 17:22:04 -0000 Received: from e4001 (e4001.webcom.com [209.1.28.62]) by x86.webcom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA05728; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from fmali.mtnweb.com by e4001 (WebCom SMTP 1.0.2) with SMTP id AAAa001kD; Sat Nov 22 09:20:56 1997 -0800 Message-ID: <347713AD.43EA@santacruz-ca.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:17:33 -0800 From: SugeR Reply-To: suger@santacruz-ca.com Organization: WoooooooooP! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Reagan Reid CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Goldie/ENIT ticket for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Festival.. what festival? -SugeR Reagan Reid wrote: > > I was just wondering how many of you will be going to the festival > tonight?.............Reagan > > On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Jeff Rahn wrote: > > > I have an extra ticket for sale for the ENIT show if anybody is interested. > > E-mail me privately-thanx:) > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 18:17:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12685 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 18:17:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 12677 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 18:17:48 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 18:17:48 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-29.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.29]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03452; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:16:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711221816.KAA03452@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: "Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr" , "VespaRaver" Cc: Subject: Re: Underground House Movement Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:16:23 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Wow! I was just thinking about something like this last night. I have noticed that the DJ's at the ravEs lately are having trouble creating a vibe in their sets. It's just one favorite song after another.. No artistic hour and a half at all.. Hmmm.. So, I have been thinking about creating the most seductive chill room set in the world.. My mind is full of seductive feelings.. I think it would be great. Just to look around and see everyone losing control to my set.. I want to make a chill room set that makes everyone horny! Yea, so horny that someone has to make me stop my set! I know I can do it! I have the power of creativity. Well anyways, I thought your question was cool. There is my answer to it. Shit! I have to goto work on a Saturday, and I am sick! Sniffle, ah choo, Jeff ---------- : From: VespaRaver : To: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr : Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org : Subject: Underground House Movement : Date: Saturday, November 22, 1997 3:09 AM : : Thanks for the info about the Underground House Movement...How do you keep : a good continuous vibe going mixing all those styles in one room? : VespaRaver : : : ================================================= : ************************************************* : "Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" : ************************************************* : ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 18:26:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13720 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 18:25:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 13712 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 18:25:58 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 18:25:58 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-29.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.29]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06151; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:25:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711221825.KAA06151@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: "astral matrix" , "Megan Haggerty" Cc: "Peter Sandifer" , Subject: Re: speaking of vibes... Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:25:30 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Your absolutely right!!!!! But you don't even know WHY your right.. I speak from experience.. I will bet you money, the reason people cease to be them selves when their famous.. Well it's because of the fact that everyone just makes their own assessments about that individual.. So that individual loses site of them self. They start become more selfconcious, making it difficult for them to be who they are. They feel like, they have to be always correcting the way they act, because...Last time they acted this way, this guy over here thought they were stuck-up, or gay, or a child molester... Well, a famous person can only take this kind of abuse for so long, so they eventually become more defensive, and then the whole evil circle of misunderstanding starts all over again. Yea.. So your right I suppose.. Hi everybody..! My name is Jeff.. People call me .... Well, that's a long story.. =]:.. Jeff ---------- : From: Megan Haggerty : To: astral matrix : Cc: Peter Sandifer ; sfraves@hyperreal.org : Subject: Re: speaking of vibes... : Date: Saturday, November 22, 1997 8:57 AM : : How can this be??? Pink Floyd??? But... But... They're... (gulp)... : FAMOUS! Didn't you know once someone gets famous they cease to be : themselves and there is no possible way for them to do anything with any : sort of "vibe"? : (dripping with sarcasm) : Better look out, Andrew! You're next! : Megan : From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 19:00:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19787 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 19:00:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 19779 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 19:00:03 -0000 Received: from value.net (raygun@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 19:00:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id LAA09659; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:00:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:00:00 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: SugeR cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Goldie/ENIT ticket for sale In-Reply-To: <347713AD.43EA@santacruz-ca.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sorry..I was responding to Jeff's post about the *Enit* Festival.. -Raygun On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, SugeR wrote: > Festival.. what festival? > > -SugeR > > > > Reagan Reid wrote: > > > > I was just wondering how many of you will be going to the festival > > tonight?.............Reagan > > > > On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Jeff Rahn wrote: > > > > > I have an extra ticket for sale for the ENIT show if anybody is interested. > > > E-mail me privately-thanx:) > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 19:34:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28475 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 19:34:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 28464 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 19:34:11 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 19:34:11 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16285 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:33:29 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n4-105.napanet.net [157.22.193.105]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA30375 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:33:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971122113055.007b66d0@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:30:55 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: llevi Butterfield Subject: Re: Goldie/ENIT ticket for sale In-Reply-To: References: <347481BE.6D72@slip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 08:51 AM 11/22/97 -0800, you wrote: > > I was just wondering how many of you will be going to the festival >tonight?.............Reagan > > >On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Jeff Rahn wrote: > >> I have an extra ticket for sale for the ENIT show if anybody is interested. >> E-mail me privately-thanx:) >> > > I WILL BE GOING. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 19:43:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29901 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 19:43:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 29893 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 19:43:02 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 19:43:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA26057; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:40:55 -0500 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:40:53 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: Mr nStuff cc: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr , VespaRaver , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Underground House Movement In-Reply-To: <199711221816.KAA03452@mom.hooked.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yeah Jeff! throw down them porn-plates and let 'er rip! only i think the only people trying to stop ya would be all the ones trying to get down your pants in the middle of your set! muwahahaha :) i'm sick too! staying at home all weekend. poo :) xo lara On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Mr nStuff wrote: > Wow! > I was just thinking about something like this last night. > > I have noticed that the DJ's at the ravEs lately are having trouble > creating a vibe in their sets. It's just one favorite song after another.. > No artistic hour and a half at all.. Hmmm.. > > So, I have been thinking about creating the most seductive chill room set > in the world.. My mind is full of seductive feelings.. I think it would be > great. Just to look around and see everyone losing control to my set.. I > want to make a chill room set that makes everyone horny! Yea, so horny that > someone has to make me stop my set! I know I can do it! I have the power of > creativity. > Well anyways, I thought your question was cool. There is my answer to it. > > Shit! I have to goto work on a Saturday, and I am sick! > > Sniffle, ah choo, > Jeff > > > ---------- > : From: VespaRaver > : To: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr > : Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > : Subject: Underground House Movement > : Date: Saturday, November 22, 1997 3:09 AM > : > : Thanks for the info about the Underground House Movement...How do you > keep > : a good continuous vibe going mixing all those styles in one room? > : VespaRaver > : > : > : ================================================= > : ************************************************* > : "Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" > : ************************************************* > : ================================================= > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 19:44:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 661 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 19:44:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 652 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 19:44:30 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 19:44:30 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18466; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:42:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971119201711.007502bc@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:34:05 -0800 To: josh sorkin From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: Sober raving (was: OCR...) Cc: Noah Apodaca , "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 8:17 PM -0800 11/19/97, josh sorkin wrote: >YOU CAN'T REGULATE MORALITY > We do all the time. We call them laws. You can't kill, you can't steal, you can't marry more than one person at a time. All of these things are examples of mores which translate into morality. >and anybody who tries to is thinking quite dangerously because such things >are value judgments. Well we can;t eliminate all value judgements. we have come to some certain agreements via our shared values, and based judgements and social strcutures around these values. Americans love to live dangerously. I mean, it was quite dangerous at one time to think this country shouldn't be run by kings. Since that time Americans have been some of the greatest risk takers of the world. > >yeah i have seen some kids get really wasted on drugs and possibly to a >dangerous point. Possibly? There are soo many countless stories of teeneage, underage kids od'ing on all kinds fo substances. From vivarin to heroin to ghb and beyond. Let's get real. People dying is very very real. People have lost their kids, their families. Let's not make reality numb, null, & void. it exists, and we have to deal with it honestly if we're going to have a conversation. > >but they know the risks. Wrong! That is why the laws are different for adults than children. Children are not expected to know the risks of certain behaviors. Children , despite common beleif here and in general, do not have the life experience in the majority of cases, to make informed decisions. Nor are the majority capable of seeing the long range impacts of decisions they make. Hell, even adults have this problem, but since they are adults, they are expected to have the means to be able to rectify the situations they put themselves in. Kids (anyone under 18, sorry) in general do not know what the hell they are doing when they do drugs. Like eeverything else in their life that is forbidden to them, drugs are *just* another thing to experiment with. The problem comes from the fact that in this country, because of centuries of opression, it is difficult to get real information about the substances they take. There is not enough well documented, information upon which to draw a conclusion. (How much american research has been done on LSD, X, or even Marijuana...very little). Most fo the research has gone on overseas in Europe, information which is still difficult to find and distill. This is all assuming that a young person would want to find the information in the first place. Kids are also faced with a duality in this country. People often don;t want to talk about issues (drugs & sex), because many people feel that by talking sensibly about such subjects that that somehow condones it. Now I am not one of those voices, but I have to wonder what our collective silence about the truth has gained us? >they have friends who got them into the scene and >got them into the chemicals so they know exactly what's going on and they >don't care because they want to have a good time. Wrong, young people foten don;t have a clue whats going on. GHB is just an example. This drug, requires great control in dosages otherwise death can occur. It is not safe unless administered by a physisician, period. You will read all kinds of rubiish to the contrary that paint this drug as harmless as pot (which ain't so harmless, especially to the young mind). Hell, even dumb ass adults underestimate the power of drugs (note the stats for alchohol related deaths from liver cirrosis to driving accidents). So I'm to assume that because the info is out there a child is supposed to be able to make and informed decision when even adults have a difficult time? C'mon. > >so let them have their good time. these are interesting times we live in >and few experiences should be taboo just because they might be dangerous. Please enumerate what people should eb allowed to gladhandedly experiment in. Like: -Unprotected sex -Same as above with multiple partners -Injecting drugs -Sharing needles -taking any amount of controlled substances like alcohol, caffeine, ghb, pot, etc.? -Driving while high -driving really fast while high -stealing someones car -Joining a gang -Goin to an all night drug party -rape -sexual harassment Sometimes I think I'm old fashioned, but that's not it at all. It's called wisdom if I may be so bold. Its also called raising your own child and taking on that great responsibility of another person's life. Incredible. When I was growing up, in my early 20's, I thought I was fully self-realized. Hell, everything should be legal, and I'll be far more permissive than my parents were with me. well I got a lesson in life right after I cut my son's umbilical cord. I'm glad there are rules, I see the difference between me and my little boy (we are not equals, except in the fact of oour humanity). He could note take care of me at this age, he cannot pay the bills required for living, he cannot attend to all the things I must do to make his life as smooth as possible, and I am the teacher and he is the student (although I learn about life by being with him). This is the natural order of things, as it has been for millions of years. The young will never raise the old, wisdom and experience will damn near always win out over youthful exhuberance. And the lessons of age, often harsh, is the best teacher and offers its lessons to be handed down to those yet born. > >you can't deny the influence that drugs have on the scene--they're >enormously relevant and they are something to deal with and properly >integrate, not to reject. Yes, and they've also had the most devastating impact on the scene. Need I mention Malachy? Need I mention the many people spun out of control losing everything and no longer have money, a place to stay, or a pot to piss in. Drugs have already been integrated. And for all the foolish adults who didn't respect them, they are to the curb, to those who couldn't moderate, they are now on the curb... > >"oh well too much drug use will give the scene a bad rep and then the >authorities will crack down and..." the scene already has a rep. >everybody who knows i'm a raver asks me for E all the time and want to know >the inside scoop on the "all-night drug orgies". and cops bust parties all >the time--that's nothing new. Agreed. > >accept other people's personal choices. I won;t accept some dumb ass deciding that they're in control when they can;t even control their pupils or when their eyes are doing the slot machine two-step. Let's get real. >be responsible and other people >will be too, 'cause setting an example is so powerful... This is pollyanna. Be responsible and watch out, some other fool sure as fuck won't be. Now that's a motto for survival. > >what would it be like without drugs? i don't know...the straightedge >people i know seem to have a good time (when they're not running around >ripping cigarettes out of people's mouths and breaking them), but not a >BETTER or WORSE time...just a different one. > >i've been substance-free for about two weeks now. but i'm not gonna tell >anyone to do the same because you have to make that decision for yourself >if it's going to have any binding strength. Makes perfect sense. Of course I would not expect underage people to have the wherewithall to come to such a conclusion. Thus our very rightfully strict laws where youth is concerned. >------------------- >"when they poured across the border, i was cautioned to surrender. >this i could not do. i took my gun and vanished. > >"there were three of us this morning. >i'm the only one this evening. but i must go on. the frontiers are my >prison." "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 19:56:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2392 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 19:56:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 2382 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 19:56:38 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 19:56:38 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA10012 for SFRAVES@hyperreal.org; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:56:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:56:11 -0500 (EST) From: XGrRLsTrX@aol.com Message-ID: <971122145610_361182890@mrin39> To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org Subject: ENIT TONITE~* Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk WhoOo else is coming? C'mon speak up! Look for a girl with short brown hair and blond streaks in front wearing an orange jacket and be sure to say hello <(------That's ME! =*) Hope to see those of you going there! -=~*LaUrE@*~=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 20:08:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4677 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 20:08:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 4666 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 20:08:19 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 20:08:19 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.196.219]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA253 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:07:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Mohan Veloo" From: "Mohan Veloo" To: "SFRAVES" Subject: FTT Presents GOLDIE (Live) Nov 25th Bimbo's Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:59:47 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf781$2f970700$dbc4abcf@mohan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Tuesday November 25th Funky Tekno Tribe Presents GOLDIE (live) Bimbo's 18+ $13 presale http://www.funkytekno.com http://www.ticketweb.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 20:09:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5247 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 20:09:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 5239 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 20:09:07 -0000 Received: from mrin53.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin53.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.163) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 20:09:07 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA20302; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:08:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:08:40 -0500 (EST) From: Tekno313@aol.com Message-ID: <971122150840_1638302853@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: rayvonie@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: *** Toon-Town Page Question *** Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/21/97 11:22:39 PM, you wrote: <> Wrong. Buck just recently moved back to the Bay Area, from Vancouver, BC. He is part of the Leaf Recordings label, and recently released a record on that label called "Living Room Chronicles, Vol. 1" The female DJ Vlad referred to is named Little T. The 'T' is for Tanya. Keep it right. --Monty From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 21:12:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15151 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 21:12:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 15143 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 21:12:33 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 21:12:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 1471 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 21:16:10 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (krabb@207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 21:16:10 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971122131025.00b4724c@sacraves.org> X-Sender: solr@sacraves.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:10:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: Saw a flyer for SISTER In-Reply-To: <19971122115321.23082.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sean wrote: >>says it's a Monday weekly, first party is Dec 1, 10pm-3am. We're and then maya said: >This party is going to be PHAT!!!! everybody needs to go! Annie is a ***** blast! i am going to be in Seattle. it's going to be a Monday *weekly*.. pardon my ignorance here, but that means there's going to be more than one? could i be so lucky? peacebwitya, -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 22 23:08:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1081 invoked by uid 6000); 22 Nov 1997 23:08:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 1073 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 23:08:19 -0000 Received: from germany-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO germany.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.123) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 23:08:19 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (pool022-max1.oakland-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.146.22]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA27424 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:08:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34776954.2732@earthlink.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:23:00 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: For Byroni... Sorry List! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I can't get any mail to you! Yes, of course I want you to spin! There are going to be LOTS of other people to try their hand, but you are definately one of them There will be 8 hrs. worth of party to cover so maybe even I will get the chance : ( -TRACY From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 00:26:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12474 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 00:26:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 12451 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 00:25:58 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 00:25:58 -0000 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU (5388@ese.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.43]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id QAA06045; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id QAA22026; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:25:55 -0800 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:25:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Schiller Serviss X-Sender: yankee@ese.UCSC.EDU To: Mr nStuff cc: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr , VespaRaver , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Underground House Movement In-Reply-To: <199711221816.KAA03452@mom.hooked.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Mr nStuff wrote: > Wow! > I was just thinking about something like this last night. > > I have noticed that the DJ's at the ravEs lately are having trouble > creating a vibe in their sets. It's just one favorite song after another.. > No artistic hour and a half at all.. Hmmm.. You should have been at Quest... > > > ---------- > : From: VespaRaver > : To: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr > : Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > : Subject: Underground House Movement > : Date: Saturday, November 22, 1997 3:09 AM > : > : Thanks for the info about the Underground House Movement...How do you > keep > : a good continuous vibe going mixing all those styles in one room? > : VespaRaver > : > : > : ================================================= > : ************************************************* > : "Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" > : ************************************************* > : ================================================= > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 01:35:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20433 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 01:35:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 20424 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 01:35:21 -0000 Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.119.93) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 01:35:21 -0000 Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(97/11/17 5.8)) id UAA02156; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:35:13 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id UAA15674; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:35:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:35:12 -0500 (EST) From: LAKSMI To: Mr nStuff cc: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr , VespaRaver , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Underground House Movement In-Reply-To: <199711221816.KAA03452@mom.hooked.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Mr nStuff wrote: > Wow! > I was just thinking about something like this last night. > > in the world.. My mind is full of seductive feelings.. I think it would be > great. Just to look around and see everyone losing control to my set.. I > want to make a chill room set that makes everyone horny! Yea, so horny that > someone has to make me stop my set! I know I can do it! I have the power of > creativity. If you pull this off...can I wear my belly-dance gear? I maen, let's go all the way with this! let's invoke it all!!! *********************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forests, go naked in the summertime that you regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. J.W. Parsons *********************************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 02:06:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24004 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 02:05:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 23996 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 02:05:56 -0000 Received: from mrin44.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin44.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.154) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 02:05:56 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA13640; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:04:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:04:57 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971122210455_-1071321541@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: lara@vibe.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, stuff@hooked.net Subject: Re: Underground House Movement Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/22/97 3:52:26 PM, you wrote: < creating a vibe in their sets. It's just one favorite song after another.. > No artistic hour and a half at all.. >> You shoulda been at Nikita last night....the very last dj to spin in the front room was so earthshatteringly artistic I had to come up for air and remember to breathe!! the set was short, but MAN!! it was worth a whole night of house just to hear that :) luv n hugs, natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 02:29:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27566 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 02:29:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 27558 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 02:29:01 -0000 Received: from mail01.kla-tencor.com (HELO kla-tencor.com) (206.67.220.38) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 02:29:01 -0000 Received: from milxbh03.tencor.com by kla-tencor.com (8.8.5/KLA-Tencor.3.4ir) id SAA17052; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:28:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711230228.SAA17052@kla-tencor.com> Received: by exchange3.kla-tencor.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:25:49 -0800 From: "Stirling, Earl" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, "'Natasha426@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Underground House Movement Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:29:20 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk so you know who it was? > ---------- > From: Natasha426@aol.com[SMTP:Natasha426@aol.com] > You shoulda been at Nikita last night....the very last dj > to spin in the front room was so earthshatteringly artistic > I had to come up for air and remember to breathe!! the > set was short, but MAN!! it was worth a whole night of > house just to hear that :) > > luv n hugs, > natasha > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 05:37:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25684 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 05:37:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 25676 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 05:37:46 -0000 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.128) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 05:37:46 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id VAA06402; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:37:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:37:44 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: :) To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I went to a party in Hollywood on Friday night and guess who I saw? Stariana! I didn't get to chat with her much, but she seemed to be doin well and I'm sure she'd want me to tell all of you hello and let you all know how much she misses you! :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 05:48:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27543 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 05:48:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 27535 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 05:48:06 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 05:48:06 -0000 Received: from [206.221.201.19] (tribe2.hotwired.com [206.221.201.19]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01700; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:47:59 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ech@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34722563.D35DDD9D@gene.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:48:33 -0800 To: matt From: *j* Subject: Re: I need a BOMB ASS PARTY on NOVEMBER 28 or 29 (I pref 28th) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >If you know of a good ass party on the 28 or 29 PLEEEEEEEZZZZZE >email me and tell me who what and where. When I say Good I'm > \ ***You may not think so, but the best possible thing you could do on Friday, november 28 is go to Nikita, at 1015. Dave Angel is playing that night, one of the best DJs around, I can promise you nothing but a slamming time. Nikita is Nikita, but when they have a DJ like that in, you won't believe the vibe... Have fun whatever you do! ***the sillier the better*** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 06:29:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2441 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 06:29:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 2432 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 06:29:50 -0000 Received: from ng.netgate.net (root@204.145.147.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 06:29:50 -0000 Received: from beast (d24.netgate.net [205.214.160.56]) by ng.netgate.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA28425 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:32:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971122223112.007237a0@ng.netgate.net> X-Sender: grigsby@ng.netgate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:31:12 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: The Grigsbeast Subject: Re: Sober raving In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.32.19971119201711.007502bc@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >>and anybody who tries to is thinking quite dangerously because such things >>are value judgments. > >Well we can;t eliminate all value judgements. we have come to some certain >agreements via our shared values, and based judgements and social >strcutures around these values. This is 100% correct, except for the fact that "we" is not all-inclusive. "We" is the US government, which is not always representative of my wishes, yours, or anyone else's. >Wrong! That is why the laws are different for adults than children. >Children are not expected to know the risks of certain behaviors. Children >, despite common beleif here and in general, do not have the life >experience in the majority of cases, to make informed decisions. [snip] >Kids (anyone under 18, sorry) in general do not know what the hell they are >doing when they do drugs. [snip] Neither do most adults. Your argument applies to people of any age. >Please enumerate what people should eb allowed to gladhandedly experiment >in. Like: >-Unprotected sex Your choice. >-Same as above with multiple partners Your choice. >-Injecting drugs Your choice. >-Sharing needles Your choice. >-taking any amount of controlled substances like alcohol, caffeine, ghb, >pot, etc.? Your choice. >-stealing someones car Different. This directly affects someone else who did not consent, unlike the other points above. >-Joining a gang Your choice. Doesn't mean beatdowns or murder are, though. See below points. >-Goin to an all night drug party Your choice. >-rape Involves someone else who doesn't consent. Not OK. >-sexual harassment Not OK, but I'm *not* touching the definition of "harassment" right now. >-Driving while high >-driving really fast while high This is actually the trickiest one. What's wrong isn't driving while high; what's wrong is crashing into someone else while you're doing it. In my ideal world, vehicular manslaughter would be more heavily punished than murder, because carelessness and stupidity are worse than malice. In a non-ideal world, there is no good reason to drive fucked up, and there exists such a wealth of evidence that being fucked up will make you very likely to hurt someone else that I support tough drunk-driving laws. >Sometimes I think I'm old fashioned, but that's not it at all. It's called >wisdom if I may be so bold. Its also called raising your own child and >taking on that great responsibility of another person's life. Incredible. Don't get too carried away with your own wisdom. Your kid will see you as exactly the cranky, inflexible old bastard your father was with you. Sometimes you'll be right, but sometimes (s)he'll be right too. It takes a lot of strength to watch someone you love make a mistake. Sometimes, though, if you don't, they'll never learn. >He could note take care of me at this age, he >cannot pay the bills required for living, he cannot attend to all the >things I must do to make his life as smooth as possible, and I am the >teacher and he is the student (although I learn about life by being with >him). This is the natural order of things, as it has been for millions of >years. That might be the case, but it's never a reason, just a consequence of you (hopefullly) being right. Sometimes you may not be. Walk carefully. >The young will never raise the old, wisdom and experience will damn >near always win out over youthful exhuberance. Who wins or not depends on who has the power, not who has the wisdom. >And the lessons of age, >often harsh, is the best teacher and offers its lessons to be handed down >to those yet born. The reason you learn lessons as you get older is because your parents are not protecting you from the consequences of your decisions. Let this happen earlier and kids will learn more. You wrecked the car? You pay for it with lawn-mowing money or a shift at Mickey D's. Etc. >>accept other people's personal choices. > >I won;t accept some dumb ass deciding that they're in control when they >can;t even control their pupils or when their eyes are doing the slot >machine two-step. Let's get real. I draw the line at action. I know people that can control themselves while drunk, and people that become violent. I condemn the violence, not the excuse people have for it ("But I was _drunk_!") >Makes perfect sense. Of course I would not expect underage people to have >the wherewithall to come to such a conclusion. Thus our very rightfully >strict laws where youth is concerned. Bullshit. Look at curfews, for instance. Tell me that anyone who's willing to do things that make them a danger to others (armed robbery, beatdowns, whatever) is scared of a curfew violation. All it does is keep the law-abiding kids who you're not scared of anyway at home. Once again: I don't believe, in general, that people should get to destroy other people's property or lives. However, the popular perception that certain groups of people (such as kids) or certain actions (such as taking illegal drugs) will _always_ lead to destruction, and should therefore be punished _as if_ it were destroying another's life or property, is wrong. // grigs From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 09:24:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18836 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 09:24:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 18828 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 09:24:01 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 09:24:01 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-139.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.139]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id BAA23298 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:23:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3477F741.1D6F@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:28:33 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: visual candy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I want to put some of my computer art onto slides for projection at partys. I dont have the equipment or money to do digital projection so what is the best way to get computer graphics onto slides. Are there places to have this done locally ? can you photograph the computer screen? ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 10:20:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7770 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 10:20:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 7762 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 10:20:45 -0000 Received: from mail2.sirius.com (205.134.253.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 10:20:45 -0000 Received: from pacbell (ppp-asfm03--141.sirius.net [205.134.235.141]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id CAA22290; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:18:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34780342.3C94@sirius.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:19:46 -0800 From: feMALER-DEMONS-Space Cowgirls X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fish1111@pacbell.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: speaking of vibes... References: <347651C8.756@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > Are there any techno versions of pink floyd music? Something > like what moby did with james bond? > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< I believe Uncle Noah and Boomerang Fidget are collaborating on a Pink tribute single called "Dark Side of Money". They will debut it at 'Ross dress for less' at 16th and Potrero. Word is 'Ross' has the phattest in store Muzak system. (I would have voted for the 555 California elevator to the 50th floor.) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 10:53:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13174 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 10:53:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 13166 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 10:53:38 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 10:53:38 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA14237; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:53:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971123025447.0068e328@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:54:47 -0800 To: *j* From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: I need a BOMB ASS PARTY on NOVEMBER 28 or 29 (I pref 28th) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: References: <34722563.D35DDD9D@gene.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Is Nikita 21&up? I hope not! And how much $ does it cost? I'm quite the poor raver, you know. VespaRaver At 12:48 PM 11/20/97 -0800, you wrote: >>If you know of a good ass party on the 28 or 29 PLEEEEEEEZZZZZE >>email me and tell me who what and where. When I say Good I'm >> >\ > >***You may not think so, but the best possible >thing you could do on Friday, november 28 is >go to Nikita, at 1015. > Dave Angel is playing that night, >one of the best DJs around, I can promise >you nothing but a slamming time. Nikita >is Nikita, but when they have a DJ like that >in, you won't believe the vibe... >Have fun whatever you do! > >***the sillier the better*** > > > > ================================================= ************************************************* "One in three must find some peace." ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 12:00:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20138 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 12:00:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 20130 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 11:59:59 -0000 Received: from mail01.kla-tencor.com (HELO kla-tencor.com) (206.67.220.38) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 11:59:59 -0000 Received: from milxbh03.tencor.com by kla-tencor.com (8.8.5/KLA-Tencor.3.4ir) id DAA26511; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 03:59:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711231159.DAA26511@kla-tencor.com> Received: by exchange3.kla-tencor.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 03:56:47 -0800 From: "Stirling, Earl" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, fish1111@pacbell.net Subject: RE: visual candy Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:00:21 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk there's a coupla way.... a film recorder, a camera shot of a screen, or output to a color transparancy. or just rent a overhead lcd display panel. they're only about 25 to 50 bucks a day. the others you own after that.... but 35mm film recorder images are pricey, though the best quality... prolly 15 or so per shot... though i haven't priced in a long time. after that, color transparancies (from any kinko's) are about 5 a piece or so, then all you need is the overhead projector. lower quality though. shooting your own camera's screen is the middle ground. there's a faq on it somewhere.... i know compuserve used to have one in their photo forum.... anyway, let me know if you need any help... i used to do some of this for a livin.... dodger > ---------- > From: fish1111@pacbell.net[SMTP:fish1111@pacbell.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 1997 1:28 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: visual candy > > I want to put some of my computer art onto slides > for projection at partys. > > I dont have the equipment or money to do digital projection > so what is the best way to get computer graphics onto slides. > > Are there places to have this done locally ? > > can you photograph the computer screen? > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 14:58:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3068 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 14:58:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 3060 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 14:58:35 -0000 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (mayer@192.100.81.115) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 14:58:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) with SMTP id GAA00638; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:58:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711231458.GAA00638@netcom7.netcom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: netcom7.netcom.com: mayer@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: speaking of vibes... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Nov 97 19:30:16 PST." <347651C8.756@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 97 06:58:33 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > Are there any techno versions of pink floyd music? Something > like what moby did with james bond? It's kind of a stretch, but it does have a few PF samples and says "is anybody out there?" (of course, the other main lyric says "see me, feel me, hear me, love me, touch me" which is from Tommy (Who). Those damn crusty hippies just refuse to fade away, don't they? N.E.WAYS, The track is "Anybody Out there", by "Friends of Matthew, on Cowboy Records. I've heard a few more PF rave choons but I don't know their names. PS: I've seen some pretty excellent vibes at various bay area Grateful Dead shows from about 82-85 (Frost Amphitheater, Greek Theater, HJ Kaiser, the Sacto Fairgrounds) ... after that they started to suck. It was partly the bands fault (Jerry asleep/nodding at the wheel) and partly the audience's fault (too many doofuses looking for an excuse to get really fucked up and yell "Jeeeeeeery" at the top of their lungs through every songs, usually while clapping off-beat... to the point where the doofuses and "paaaaaaaaarty" people outweighed all the weirdos and lovechildren and merry pranksters and winsome (and lose some) nature-girl scarf-twirlers. Other good vibe "big name" music events... a string of shows that the Meters (orig. members) did in the Bay Area back in 89 or so (@ COvered Wagon Saloon), New Orleans Jazz Fest 1989, 1990 (before it became outrageously overcrowded). Bottom line is that it doesn't have to be underground to be good. But sometimes if it gets TOO OVERGROUND, then it sucks. Quite frankly, the oft-touted "underground" rave scene in the Bay Area hasn't done anything for me since "back in the day." Seems to me like it's just a cliquish, poseur/wanna-be, we're-so-cool-because-we're-underground-if-you're not-in-you're-out sort of thing, which to me, is the antithesis of "vibe." If I closed my eyes and ignored surface-phenomena (glitter, fuzzy pants, weird hair) the emotion wouldn't be much different than a high-school prom or frat/jockboy/cheerleader social scene in college... given that, I'd rather just go to an overground event at an overground club, e.g. Pure Space @ VSF last Thursday, and just dance and chat and be (instead of primp and pose and posture and have stupid mottos and hypocritical credos, running around and saying "we're underground, aren't we special?"). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ==>> Niels Mayer (mayer@netcom.com) <<== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 17:34:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20528 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 17:34:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 20520 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 17:34:13 -0000 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.120) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 17:34:13 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA01711; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:34:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:34:12 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: speaking of vibes... To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" In-Reply-To: <34780342.3C94@sirius.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk SHHHH!!!!! That's top-secret information!!!! Ah well, now everyone knows. *sigh* :D :D :D But seriously, speaking of James Bond, this Moby version is far from the firt techno version of the Bond Theme. Back in the day a group called "Dr. No" did a cover of the Bond Theme and the Art of Noise did one on their album "In No Nense? Nonsense!" I do believe. :) On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, feMALER-DEMONS-Space Cowgirls wrote: > > Are there any techno versions of pink floyd music? Something > > like what moby did with james bond? > > > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > I believe Uncle Noah and Boomerang Fidget are collaborating on a Pink > tribute single called "Dark Side of Money". They will debut it at > 'Ross dress for less' at 16th and Potrero. > > Word is 'Ross' has the phattest in store Muzak system. > > > (I would have voted for the 555 California elevator to the 50th floor.) > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 18:08:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26023 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 18:08:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 26014 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 18:08:39 -0000 Received: from seidc.sei.com (198.202.174.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 18:08:39 -0000 Received: (from kk@localhost) by seidc.sei.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA18893; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:07:22 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Randall Message-Id: <199711231807.KAA18893@seidc.sei.com> Subject: Re: visual candy To: fish1111@pacbell.net Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:07:21 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3477F741.1D6F@pacbell.net> from "fish1111@pacbell.net" at Nov 23, 97 01:28:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > > I want to put some of my computer art onto slides > for projection at partys. > > I dont have the equipment or money to do digital projection > so what is the best way to get computer graphics onto slides. > > Are there places to have this done locally ? > > can you photograph the computer screen? > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > > I've had stuff from my computer put onto 35mm slides - this was at Bay Photo in Santa Cruz, but I'm sure many photo places would also do it - maybe try Kinko's. It wasn't cheap - $5/slide or so as I recall. The results were excellent though. (This was from Powerpoint on a PC, but you can go from other formats). I doubt if photographing the screen would look very good. Good luck! - Martin =] From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 19:12:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5338 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 19:12:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 5330 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 19:12:22 -0000 Received: from f42.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 19:12:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 6455 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 1997 19:11:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19971123191154.6454.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:11:53 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Sunday morn with danny and jer Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:11:53 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk What a sweetheart you are Herb. I don't think that I've had a more fun time at a party in my short periods of raving. You guys did such a good job with everything. The next time that Jer and I go and talk about tremendous amounts of life situations and trying to play the role as God, you are more than welcome to join us-even though in a one weeks period, I've already started on my 27th book entitled "What?" :P Gosh you people out there kick ass!!! Always, Danny >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 19 18:39:35 1997 >Received: (qmail 29966 invoked by uid 6000); 20 Nov 1997 02:39:32 -0000 >Received: (qmail 29958 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 02:39:30 -0000 >Received: from galaxy.galstar.com (anarchy@204.251.80.2) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 02:39:30 -0000 >Received: (from anarchy@localhost) > by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA29580 > for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:39:28 -0600 (CST) >From: "U.A.A." >Message-Id: <199711200239.UAA29580@galaxy.galstar.com> >Subject: Sunday morn with danny and jer >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:39:28 -0600 (CST) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >it all started out (actually the party ended) and it was time to clean up. >There weren't alot of people left to clean but you know it had to be done. > >I looked around and saw jer and danny and a few others and thought okay I just >need my feet to stop hurting and with some help we can clean up. > >Well the situation arose that we needed a truck and Jer was there so I asked >he said sure and it turns out he had a shell on his truck. Bonus seeing how it >was raining. So time comes for us to call upon jer only to find that he isn't >there. Ack david made due without it but I have never seen a rabbit so loaded >before in my life. Talk about bass in the trunk. Anyways the morning goes on >and so does cleaning. A certain person starts to freak cuz jeremy has been gone >a while and he was her ride home. Someone remebers jer saying that he was >going to take someguy home (aka the naked guy) and so we all thought thats >where they had run off too. Around 10 something here comes danny and jer >stumbling into the room with the most confused yet happy faces. I smiled and >asked where they had been for the past couple of hours. Jer replied "upstairs >with that guy trying talking philosphy" They began to go through the >conversations they had had and all the wierd thoughts and ideas that ran >through their minds. It was great. I totally had been therebefore and I >was almost envious cuz they got to share that moment together. > >ts nto that often that you truly feel like you grasp concepts and ideas that >pertain to how you fit in with the rest of the universe and it is something >to remember when you do. > >I want to send out a big thank you and hugs to jer and danny for all the >smiles and conversations, thought and ideas in the morning thought I prolly >didn't sound that interested at the time I really was listening I was jsut >a bit exhausted. > >You two rock = ) > >Love, > >Herb > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 19:43:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12992 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 19:43:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 12971 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 19:43:33 -0000 Received: from mrin38.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin38.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.148) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 19:43:33 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA27271 for SFraves@hyperreal.org; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:43:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:43:06 -0500 (EST) From: XGrRLsTrX@aol.com Message-ID: <971123144306_881665954@mrin38> To: SFraves@hyperreal.org Subject: En!T ReViEw Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Wow. Totally more than I expected. One of the best parts of this whole thing was that I got to go for free because my freind WON tix to this show! I was so psyched to see Goldie. He played an awesome set, for the time limit he had, I wish he played longer...I think he was on for just about 45 minutes or so, or at least it felt like it =\ Jane's Addiction was soooooo amazing. I wasn't really a fanatic follower of their band, but I was really impressed with their performance. Mark E. Mark <(-----I guess that's how you spell it? KILLED me. I HAVE NEVER heard such an intense amazing set!!!!!! I was under the influence of pure chemical free energy, I have never danced that hard...His set was just one continuous flow of straight up techno at its best! I loved the raw baseline he would throw into the set, that drove me crazy!!!! I personally felt that the vibe was pretty good, during both the sets of the dj's and during Janes Addiction. The crowd was very diverse, I only saw a couple of ravers, but I thought it was so great seeing everyone just bust to all the music no matter what came on. For a huge, bigtime, commerical event, I thought this was INCREDIBLE. So what did everyone else that went think? I'd love to hear what you all thought! -=~*LaUrE@*~=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 19:48:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14418 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 19:48:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 14410 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 19:48:38 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 19:48:38 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-4-173.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.173]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id LAA05488 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:48:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3477CD98.4E96@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:30:48 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: ICQ References: <19971120171354.12093.qmail@hotmail.com> <199711201807.KAA12445@justice.andromedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I can never get the ICQ thingy to work, I down load it and go through the setup but the Wizard never shows up and I am unable to registar-makes me so frustrated. Teresa;( From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 20:11:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17530 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 20:11:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 17521 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 20:11:32 -0000 Received: from value.net (raygun@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 20:11:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA10545; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:11:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:11:30 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: XGrRLsTrX@aol.com cc: SFraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: En!T ReViEw In-Reply-To: <971123144306_881665954@mrin38> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I went there really only to see Jane's Addiction and I certainly wasn't disappointed. Perry and the boys were in *fine* form. They played all the old favorites including mine>'Summertime Rolls'. They brought alot of creativity to their show with playing the 1st half of it on the front stage and than popping up towards the back of the audiotorium with a complete drums-filled version of?..(sorry here, I can't remember the song=()..The go-go dancers ( for lack of a better definition) were a very nice touch;)....Many thanks to FTT for providing awesome visuals and the one of the biggest sound systems I've ever seen. I stayed up until the end of Jane's set.. I went to Enit expecting things to go more like a concert event but with all the differenet rooms they had set up like: Resfest,henna painting booths and The Merry Pranksters on the 4th floor , you felt like you couldn't possibly see everything. It was a comfortable and relaxing atmosphere unlike any concert I've experienced. The only downfall of the whole evening was at about 9p.m. when things first were getting started. I went out to go find an ATM and was told at the front that there were no Ins/Outs and I was NOT allowed back in. Oh man it took me about 45 monutes to get back in. I went to a dozen different doors and even was chased by a security dude...However once I got back in I completely forgot about the whole ordeal...and that's my 2 cents for today=).... -Reagan On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 XGrRLsTrX@aol.com wrote: > Wow. > > Totally more than I expected. One of the best parts of this whole thing was > that I got to go for free because my freind WON tix to this show! > > I was so psyched to see Goldie. He played an awesome set, for the time limit > he had, I wish he played longer...I think he was on for just about 45 minutes > or so, or at least it felt like it =\ > > Jane's Addiction was soooooo amazing. I wasn't really a fanatic follower of > their band, but I was really impressed with their performance. > > Mark E. Mark <(-----I guess that's how you spell it? KILLED me. I HAVE NEVER > heard such an intense amazing set!!!!!! I was under the influence of pure > chemical free energy, I have never danced that hard...His set was just one > continuous flow of straight up techno at its best! I loved the raw baseline > he would throw into the set, that drove me crazy!!!! > > I personally felt that the vibe was pretty good, during both the sets of the > dj's and during Janes Addiction. The crowd was very diverse, I only saw a > couple of ravers, but I thought it was so great seeing everyone just bust to > all the music no matter what came on. > > For a huge, bigtime, commerical event, I thought this was INCREDIBLE. > > So what did everyone else that went think? I'd love to hear what you all > thought! > > -=~*LaUrE@*~=- > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 20:11:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18039 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 20:11:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 17961 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 20:11:43 -0000 Received: from f61.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.147) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 20:11:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 21441 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 1997 20:11:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19971123201106.21440.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:11:00 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Sober Raving & Choices Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:11:00 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I can now honestly say that I understand what Leslie and others have been saying...These last couple of weeks or so, Ive noticed something, I do not remember the great converstations/talks that I have had while at a party because I did think I was Superman. The last straw for me was when the person I love more than anything and myself had the most wonderful talk that I could remember ever having, one thing though-I can't remember what we talked about, and that saddens me very much. Another thing is that people would come up to me and say "hey Danny, how are you?" and I'd reply, "Do I know you?" and then they'd get frustrated because this person they thought that they had a good time with was a complete absence. and doesn't remember shit from shinola. I've come to learn that I personally have a very hard time handling drugs and other substances. And because of this, I'm better of with none of them, not even in moderation. It took me a very long time to learn this, don't get me wrong. I also became completely unaware of who I am, and now, I'm going to find myself again. I thought it would be very hard, but I think I'm just a mile away... Other people who are going through what I have just gone through, as far as substance abuse, Will eventually learn like I did and notice that *you do have a problem* and everyone who is trying to help you *is not lying* to you. The negative affects as far as abuse with substances is much deeper than the eye can see and it will take all of your *heart* to notice that you have a problem. I think I'm going to start to go to parties now. The Bornagain, Sr.Huey P.s. I've done a lot of things, but never had sex with my Slinky in a chill room-thank God! PPs- and if you do get the chance to witness someone who's comatose from GHB, learn from it, it is easy to do (hella trippy and disturbing) Leslie, The Queen Mutha, wrote with all her heart and soul; You know, I'm torn on this one.... > >on the one hand, one of the key elements that make raving what it is is >FUN.... I mean, we have more fun in one night than lots of people have in >an entire year! It blows me away how much pure happiness I can experience >at a party. > >and sometimes, that fun includes altering our moods and perceptions with >substances.... and frankly, some of these experiences have changed my life. > >on the other hand, i see, WAY too often, people abusing these substances.... > >people who are at a party where there is music, dancing, people, lights, >decorations, total sensory overload... > >but they're so high, they don't even know what's going on.. > >and THAT'S NOT FUN!!! To me, it is not raving, it is ANTI-raving!!! if >you're so fucked up, you don't know where you are.... YOU'RE NOT AT THE >PARTY ANY MORE!!! > >if you're so high you can't get up from the floor, or your eyes are rolling >back in your head, or you think you're superman and you can fly or you've >slipped into a fantasy world that you can't get out of, or you're in a GHB >"coma"..... then YOU'RE NOT AT THE PARTY ANY MORE! > >if you're so high, you're having sex in the middle of the chill space where >everyone can see, then YOU'RE NOT AT THE PARTY ANY MORE!!! > >if you're so high, your body can't take it, and your heart is pounding, and >your health is at risk so an ambulance needs to be called, YOU'RE NOT AT >THE PARTY ANY MORE ... AND maybe no one else is either because that party >may be shut down because of you! > >sorry to scream about this, but there's a difference between changing your >perception of the environment that you're in .... and getting so fucked up >you aren't interacting with your environment any more. a difference >between having a good time at a party, and using the premises of a party as >a space for a drug-fest. > >An all-sober party? I don't care, I sort of like parties with a mix of >energies that comes from different people's choices.... but it sure would >be nice to go to a party where I never have to go over and make sure that >someone is OK because they seem so out of it... maybe what I want is an >all-conscious party... where everyone knows what they're doing and why. > >If you do think you can't party with drugs, let me tell you that you can. >try it, and see that the party itself gives you plenty of mind-altering >options. and then, if and when you do make those occasional rational and >informed choices, you'll get much more positive benefit from it... but >you'll still be having FUN *every* time you go out!!! > >love, leslie > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 20:29:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21681 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 20:29:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 21656 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 20:29:05 -0000 Received: from f42.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 20:29:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 23178 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 1997 20:28:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971123202837.23177.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:28:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Hey Boom Boom Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:28:37 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In regards to Sir Peter Sandifer's Poetry; Comets Fall on Jupiter; Danny says... I loooved it. Not just because you wrote the >>versus, but becasue it was very unique and very *you* Your style is a >>lot like Richard Brautigan's, writing about the everyday experiences >>in our lives. It ends up being really entertaining and by giving me a >>copy, well your money was damn well spent and I appreciate the gift very >>much. There was a poem "july 11" -my b-day hehe, and there was one >>about love that really touched me in my heart. A couple of friends also >>read it and really liked it too. "very unique and cool" they said. Now Peter, I want you to know that I loved it to death. As with anything that a friend gives to me, I value the sentimentality of the item, not the words, or price tag. You are worried about the words and the price tag. Some people may not understand your style, and how it works very well, and they'll just continue to feel that way. Opinions are like eggs, there are lots of them out there *but mine is the most important :P* *Your Poobutt* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 21:49:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10937 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 21:49:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 10927 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 21:49:32 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 21:49:32 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20432; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:58:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971122223112.007237a0@ng.netgate.net> References: <3.0.32.19971119201711.007502bc@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:13:41 -0800 To: The Grigsbeast From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: Sober raving Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 10:31 PM -0800 11/22/97, The Grigsbeast wrote: >>>and anybody who tries to is thinking quite dangerously because such things >>>are value judgments. >> >>Well we can;t eliminate all value judgements. we have come to some certain >>agreements via our shared values, and based judgements and social >>strcutures around these values. > >This is 100% correct, except for the fact that "we" is not all-inclusive. >"We" is the US government, which is not always representative of my wishes, >yours, or anyone else's. Why is it that American's don't seem to have this basic understanding: The govt. is YOU. If they do not represent your wishes there are plenty of legal means to remove them. Voting has been very effective at giving the reps. power, the same can be used to deny them that power by removing them from office. The xtian right has this down. I wonder why the other 80%^ of America doesn't understand this basic tenent. > >>Wrong! That is why the laws are different for adults than children. >>Children are not expected to know the risks of certain behaviors. Children >>, despite common beleif here and in general, do not have the life >>experience in the majority of cases, to make informed decisions. >[snip] >>Kids (anyone under 18, sorry) in general do not know what the hell they are >>doing when they do drugs. [snip] > >Neither do most adults. Your argument applies to people of any age. I said that later in the same parapgraph. The fact is that if adults cannot make informed decisions then children are even less capabable. And adult has the means to correct thier mistakes and can usually muster the resouirces. Children are not so capable in this area. > >>Please enumerate what people should eb allowed to gladhandedly experiment >>in. Like: >>-Unprotected sex >Your choice. >>-Same as above with multiple partners >Your choice. >>-Injecting drugs >Your choice. >>-Sharing needles >Your choice. >>-taking any amount of controlled substances like alcohol, caffeine, ghb, >>pot, etc.? >Your choice. >>-stealing someones car >Different. This directly affects someone else who did not consent, unlike >the other points above. >>-Joining a gang >Your choice. Doesn't mean beatdowns or murder are, though. See below points. >>-Goin to an all night drug party >Your choice. >>-rape >Involves someone else who doesn't consent. Not OK. >>-sexual harassment >Not OK, but I'm *not* touching the definition of "harassment" right now. >>-Driving while high >>-driving really fast while high >This is actually the trickiest one. What's wrong isn't driving while high; >what's wrong is crashing into someone else while you're doing it. In my >ideal world, vehicular manslaughter would be more heavily punished than >murder, because carelessness and stupidity are worse than malice. In a >non-ideal world, there is no good reason to drive fucked up, and there >exists such a wealth of evidence that being fucked up will make you very >likely to hurt someone else that I support tough drunk-driving laws. > >>Sometimes I think I'm old fashioned, but that's not it at all. It's called >>wisdom if I may be so bold. Its also called raising your own child and >>taking on that great responsibility of another person's life. Incredible. > >Don't get too carried away with your own wisdom. Your kid will see you as >exactly the cranky, inflexible old bastard your father was with you. >Sometimes you'll be right, but sometimes (s)he'll be right too. I did not see my father as a cranky old bastard. I looked up to him, as he did his father, as does my son with me. Maybe there are cranky inflexible bastards in your family, but that has not been the case with me or with my family. I said nothign about being right. A parent is there to guide with the best of thier capability. Guidance in your family may mean inflexibility, I don;t know (the way you seem to discount a prents influence leads me to beleive that perhaps you may not have liked your childhood. Hell I loved mine! And maybe that is the problem, kids have no time and spend no time being kids. > >It takes a lot of strength to watch someone you love make a mistake. >Sometimes, though, if you don't, they'll never learn. And there is a time and a place for everything. Rasising a child? If not, let me know when you do and please let me know how many of these ideas you continue to carry forth. > >>He could note take care of me at this age, he >>cannot pay the bills required for living, he cannot attend to all the >>things I must do to make his life as smooth as possible, and I am the >>teacher and he is the student (although I learn about life by being with >>him). This is the natural order of things, as it has been for millions of >>years. > >That might be the case, but it's never a reason, just a consequence of you >(hopefullly) being right. Sometimes you may not be. Walk carefully. Right? Where does this come from? I am talking about raising a child. Something I am doing every day. And you? In any case I am talking about guiding a child. Guidance requires knowing when to hold tighht and when to let go. I do not beleive in no rules, I do beleive however in greater freedoms with greater responsibility according the the childs maturity. this right and wrong stuff you're talking about sounds very strict. I was adressing the fact that children cannot and often do not have the information to make informed decisions. Nothing you have said has changed that basic fact. Children still do not raise thier parents, and often enough children cannot take care of themselves when no resources are available (they will ususally fall prey to all kinds of nonsense when left to thier opwn druthers). > >>The young will never raise the old, wisdom and experience will damn >>near always win out over youthful exhuberance. > >Who wins or not depends on who has the power, not who has the wisdom. And what is power? Money is one element, wisom is another, and experience is another. I've seen this crap growing up in the south. Some young ass upstart tries to buck up against some old f*ck only to find himslef several dollars short, and many days smarter. You can see it as the young bucks try to play elders in games. Its funny, all that youth, and all the supposed youthful wisdom, dashed by a guy whose been around the block more times than anyone can count. No he may not be the richest, no he may not be smarter than the young person. But htose years of hustling, years of learning about people, years of being around people is no match for anything youth has to offer. You can see it in fighting too. I've seen old fucks beat the crap out of someone young...why? Experience. And in this world that is one potent form of power. > >>And the lessons of age, >>often harsh, is the best teacher and offers its lessons to be handed down >>to those yet born. > >The reason you learn lessons as you get older is because your parents are >not protecting you from the consequences of your decisions. That is one way to look at it, another is to say that the parents have given you a set of tools from which to draw, another is you have learned through making mistakes what your limits and capabilities are. There is no need to experiment with drugs to find out these limits. There are other ways to get the information you need without being scared straight. >Let this >happen earlier and kids will learn more. You wrecked the car? You pay for >it with lawn-mowing money or a shift at Mickey D's. Etc. Agreed. > >>>accept other people's personal choices. >> >>I won;t accept some dumb ass deciding that they're in control when they >>can;t even control their pupils or when their eyes are doing the slot >>machine two-step. Let's get real. > >I draw the line at action. I know people that can control themselves while >drunk, and people that become violent. I condemn the violence, not the >excuse people have for it ("But I was _drunk_!") > >>Makes perfect sense. Of course I would not expect underage people to have >>the wherewithall to come to such a conclusion. Thus our very rightfully >>strict laws where youth is concerned. > >Bullshit. Look at curfews, for instance. Tell me that anyone who's >willing to do things that make them a danger to others (armed robbery, >beatdowns, whatever) is scared of a curfew violation. All it does is keep >the law-abiding kids who you're not scared of anyway at home. That is one instance. There are other laws that are meant for the protection of children and I am for them. Curfews? I am not down with that, I am also not down with midnight basketball (what in the fuck is a 15 year old doing out at midnight?). And with your example you have proven my point. You're right, some kids aren;t afarid of curfews. Is that wise? Is that an informed choice? Is that a child acting mature? Nope, it is a child who has decided , wrongly , to act outside the law. Thus my initial point, children often cannot make proper choices, thus the importance of the guidance of parents in regards to decision making. > >Once again: I don't believe, in general, that people should get to destroy >other people's property or lives. However, the popular perception that >certain groups of people (such as kids) or certain actions (such as taking >illegal drugs) will _always_ lead to destruction, and should therefore be >punished _as if_ it were destroying another's life or property, is wrong. > >// grigs Children, not guided by adults is wrong. Children not having a loving home is wrong. Children not having a supprotive family is wrong. Families who could care leess about the children they bring into the world is wrong. To me kids have no business being out at midnight. A parent who allows that must deal with the consequences (along with the child). There is a time and a place for everything. If parents, and society dealt more with the great responsibility of raising children, instead of depending upon others to do it, then we wouldn't e having this conversation. I never knew what a curfew was and I grew up in Miami. As for drug taking, and children, there is enough evidence to suggest certain nuerotoxicity of drugs taken at parties. Frying your developing brain at 15 is one thing, doing it at 26 is another. Age sometimes can make all the difference between success & life, and failure. Don't beleive me? Ask the numerous former SFRavers who had to leave Cal or other schools because of exessive partying and drug use (18 and just out of the home, total freedom, then a total fuck up). The ingestion of drugs is something nobody should do lightly. No, certanly not in all cases do drugs wreak havoc, but there is enough evidence to suggest that waiting may be the best thing for your brain and your life (this goes for drugs, sex, and other things). jsl "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 21:53:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12448 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 21:53:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 12436 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 21:53:36 -0000 Received: from f68.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.154) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 21:53:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 22616 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 1997 21:53:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19971123215308.22615.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.10 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:53:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.10] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, unclenoa@netcom.com Subject: Re: speaking of vibes... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:53:08 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk when i was in la this past summer.... at the RTD party thrown at the federal building, (the second one) this dj came up.. started playing the theme for star wars... when darth vader comes out.... and then it turned into hardcore... no im not a BIG hardcore fan, but that shit was dope!!!! everbody started jumping and bumbing and grinding.... dust clouds formed and peoples were grooving.... then it got a little to hectic, so the y tuned it down just a bit.... ok sorry if its off topic.. just a memory :) Peace Philip disordr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 22:46:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24598 invoked by uid 6000); 23 Nov 1997 22:46:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 24590 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 22:46:44 -0000 Received: from f104.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.223) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 22:46:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 22392 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 1997 22:46:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19971123224614.22391.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.202.191.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:46:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.202.191.130] From: "Digital Devil" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, unclenoa@netcom.com, breaker2000@hotmail.com Subject: Darth Vader Song (was Re: speaking of vibes...) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:46:06 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Anyone remember that song that had a sample that had Darth Vader saying,"pherhaps I can find new ways to motivate them" then it goes into some acidhouse.. it came out in 95 i think -I remember Markie played it at the beginning of his set at a Basics party that year (I got his set from that party on tape too!) Raf PS. Frankie Knuckles kicked some ass on Friday @ Nikita-! Thank You Dorena! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 00:07:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14936 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 00:06:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 14928 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 00:06:56 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 00:06:56 -0000 Received: from [206.221.201.19] (tribe7.hotwired.com [206.221.201.24]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06500 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:06:51 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ech@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:39:21 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: *j* Subject: Blatently Silly Party Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ** ****sillier presents**** *a very special christmas* * * * * * ** *** * * *with* * * * * *marcellus * a.j.* * * *dj push * justi* * *j*rock * hiz boy elroy* * * *maya 13 * dr. kaleidoscope* * *henrik* friday, december 12 415*263*6750 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 00:48:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22585 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 00:48:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 22570 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 00:48:46 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 00:48:46 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp81.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.81]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id RAA30401; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:44:00 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: , "Northwest Raves" Subject: check this out (good online trance :) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:41:33 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf871$b692d400$6156dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey all =) check out grover's one with the universe cd at http://www.groovetech.com (click on deejays, then grover to hear it in real audio) anyone else have good online grooves to recommend? love kim .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 01:07:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26281 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 01:07:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 26273 invoked by uid 24); 24 Nov 1997 01:07:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 23734 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 00:54:19 -0000 Received: from skippy.construct.net (HELO CONSTRUCT.NET) (208.198.184.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 00:54:19 -0000 Received: from khali.construct.net (khali.construct.net [208.198.184.75]) by CONSTRUCT.NET (8.8.8/2.5) with SMTP id QAA20847; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:47:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971121164622.007d3a00@mail.construct.net> X-Sender: iron@mail.construct.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:47:52 -0800 To: loveworks@sfstation.com From: nori Subject: thanks...for the love Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk thanks...you for all the smiles every saturday thanks...eming jung for 111 minna street gallery thanks...for slam'n love-sounds matt valenz thanks...for building beautiful beats dani thanks...dave, our hyperdelic eyes have been filled thanks...to our door keepers, john & reid, angelica & robnoxious thanks...harlow, jason, mike & vince for keeping us digital at sfstation.com thanks...paul, for all the printing that was done with nomad design thanks...to all the people that have made loveworks happen: thanks...mark evans, scott & dianna jacobs thanks...pete avlia, dave peterson, jt & tony thanks...tray, micha, sally & eric thanks...charlotte & eduardo for their amazing images thanks...for the taking the time to read this far thanks...to you (especially when you don't make it but think about us anyway) thanks...for keeping the love working thanks...for the inspiration, aaron o. thanks...again, from me, nori 415.646.0744 http://www.sfstation.com/clubs/loveworks.htm starting in dec'97, LOVEWORKS will be at minna every 2nd saturday of the month. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 01:22:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28740 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 01:22:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 28729 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 01:22:46 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 01:22:46 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp81.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.81]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id SAA30779; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:17:54 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: "The Grigsbeast" , "John S. Lee" Cc: Subject: Re: Sober raving Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:15:28 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf876$73ea5e20$6156dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk kim's comments are below :) .-----Original Message----- From: John S. Lee To: The Grigsbeast >At 10:31 PM -0800 11/22/97, The Grigsbeast wrote: >>This is 100% correct, except for the fact that "we" is not all-inclusive. >>"We" is the US government, which is not always representative of my wishes, >>yours, or anyone else's. > >Why is it that American's don't seem to have this basic understanding: >The govt. is YOU. If they do not represent your wishes there are plenty of >legal means to remove them. Voting has been very effective at giving the >reps. power, the same can be used to deny them that power by removing them >from office. I agree that voting is important and I do so at every opportunity. However, I would disagree that it is extremely effective. I do not feel represented in any way by the current governmental situation. The way things are set up, it takes years for anything to change significantly. For example, here in Washington, two initiatives recently were voted down. One was to make it illegal to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation. The other was to decriminalize marijuana. It may or may not be true that the government accurately represents the majority, but I can definitely say that I do not feel it represents me. Also, the government can't be said to represent everyone when only those 18 and over can vote. It seems unfair that the people voting on the curfew laws, etc. are all over the age of the people it will affect. >>>Kids (anyone under 18, sorry) in general do not know what the hell they are >>>doing when they do drugs. [snip] >I said that later in the same parapgraph. The fact is that if adults >cannot make informed decisions then children are even less capabable. I think it is very difficult for anyone to make informed decisions when there is so much deliberate misinformation spread by our government about illegal drugs. >>>Please enumerate what people should eb allowed to gladhandedly experiment >>> I believe people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it is not directly harming someone else. I definitely do not think it is the government's business or anyone else's what a person chooses to do with their body whether it be sex, the chemicals they consume, or especially not when they are allowed to come and go. >That is one instance. There are other laws that are meant for the >protection of children and I am for them. Curfews? I am not down with >that, I am also not down with midnight basketball (what in the fuck is a 15 >year old doing out at midnight?). And with your example you have proven my >point. You're right, some kids aren;t afarid of curfews. Is that wise? >Thus my initial point, children often cannot make proper choices, thus the >importance of the guidance of parents in regards to decision making. I see nothing wrong with a 15 year old being out at midnight. I graduated high school at the age of 16. I do not consider those at age 16 or even 15 "children" who "often cannot make proper choices" Different people mature at different rates. Just because someone is younger does not mean they are immature or incapable of making informed decisions. I went to my first rave at the age of 15 and was completely sober. My parents knew about it and it was fine with them. It was a very positive experience and I believe it had a good effect on my life. I stayed out until 6 a.m., came home, and slept, and went to school on Monday. >To me kids have no business being out at midnight. A parent who allows that >must deal with the consequences (along with the child). There is a time >and a place for everything. If parents, and society dealt more with the >great responsibility of raising children, instead of depending upon others >to do it, then we wouldn't e having this conversation. I completely agree and think that the government should have no role in how a parent decides to raise their children. >As for drug taking, and children, there is enough evidence to suggest certain >nuerotoxicity of drugs taken at parties. You can find a survey to prove anything. 75% of all people don't know that ;) >Frying your developing brain at 15 is one thing, doing it at 26 >is another. I see no difference. The brain is continuously developing. It doesn't suddenly stop once you reach a certain age. (although in some people i have met it seems like it did *giggling*) > Ask the numerous former SFRavers who had to leave Cal or other schools because >of exessive partying and drug use (18 and just out of the home, total freedom, then a >total fuck up). Should they have had a curfew too? =) Did you read the hard times posting? Sometimes it is necessary to make mistakes in order to learn from them. I don't think just because someone is underage means that they will make bad decisions. I feel that it is the parents responsibility to decide when a "child" is mature enough to be staying out until midnight, not the governments'. I feel it is the individual's responsibility to decide when or if they put a substance in their body, not the governments'. love+groovin kim oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 01:51:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5395 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 01:51:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 5380 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 01:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www10.web2010.com) (root@209.25.44.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 01:51:39 -0000 Received: from [130.212.201.165] (madmax-165.sfsu.edu [130.212.201.165]) by www10.web2010.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA21992 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:51:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711240151.UAA21992@www10.web2010.com> Subject: Harmony & FFn = same group? Date: Sun, 23 Nov 97 17:47:30 -0000 x-sender: liquidhg3@liquidmercury.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: * sherry * To: "SFRAVES SFRAVES" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was just wondering...is Friends & Family a partition of Harmony? Sherry / Mercury From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 02:04:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7436 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 02:04:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7415 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 02:03:58 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 02:03:58 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23291; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:13:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bcf876$73ea5e20$6156dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:05:21 -0800 To: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: Sober raving Cc: "The Grigsbeast" , Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 5:15 PM -0800 11/23/97, .oOo.oOo.oOo. wrote: >kim's comments are below :) > >.-----Original Message----- >From: John S. Lee >To: The Grigsbeast > > >>At 10:31 PM -0800 11/22/97, The Grigsbeast wrote: >>>This is 100% correct, except for the fact that "we" is not all-inclusive. >>>"We" is the US government, which is not always representative of my >wishes, >>>yours, or anyone else's. >> >>Why is it that American's don't seem to have this basic understanding: >>The govt. is YOU. If they do not represent your wishes there are plenty of >>legal means to remove them. Voting has been very effective at giving the >>reps. power, the same can be used to deny them that power by removing them >>from office. > >I agree that voting is important and I do so at every opportunity. However, >I >would disagree that it is extremely effective. I do not feel represented in >any >way by the current governmental situation. The way things are set up, it >takes years for anything to change significantly. The reason why it takes years is that people have capitulated thier responsibility to others. The xtain right has seen great changes in their favor, quickly, over the past 12 years. Why? Because they are organized and they vote. Both are very potent to effect change. Since people don;t want to spend the time the xtain right does, and think , wrongly, that the govt. can do liuttle for them, they have decided to not participate, then speak angrily of the govt. in place. A democracy requires alot of work. Americans, being typically lazy, are just fine to see it all go down in the toilet, and then fingerpoint at how things didn't work out. > >For example, here in Washington, two initiatives recently were voted down. >One was to make it illegal to discriminate against people based on their >sexual orientation. The other was to decriminalize marijuana. And how much of the electorate voted? was it 40% or less? And why? this is the point, *they* got everyone thinking that voting and participating doesn;t count. meanwhile the people who don;t beleive this ethos do vote, and get thier legislation passed. Who suffers? Everyone. The same kind of vote was done here in San Francisco and with over 60% of the registered voters voting passed both. Now I stil think 60% is abysmal, but it shows that when people are aware and participating, the outcomes can be radically different than expected. > >It may or may not be true that the government accurately represents the >majority, but I can definitely say that I do not feel it represents me. >Also, the government can't be said to represent everyone when only those >18 and over can vote. It seems unfair that the people voting on the curfew >laws, >etc. are all over the age of the people it will affect. And so when should people be allowed to vote. When they can talk? When they can read? There is nothign wrong in being a child. There is a certain order to things, and children, IMO, are in no position to make certain decisions. we are not all created equally, and children, with less expereince and less knowledge of the world, are, IMO, even less capable than thier lazy adult counterparts. Now I know that there are some kids who are fully capable and knowlegeable to vote, hell I thoguht I was at age 12, but that is not the point. There has to be some cutoff, every society has them. There is not one society where the children have equal standing to the elders. Considering this paradigm, there will always be a chasm rightly or wrongly between the youth and it's elders. The laws of each society reflect that chasm. > >>>>Kids (anyone under 18, sorry) in general do not know what the hell they >are >>>>doing when they do drugs. [snip] > >>I said that later in the same parapgraph. The fact is that if adults >>cannot make informed decisions then children are even less capabable. > >I think it is very difficult for anyone to make informed decisions when >there is >so much deliberate misinformation spread by our government about illegal >drugs. Given. But the fact is I can find the information. I can seek it out, and know how to get it. fact is I would *want* to seek it out before taking my life into my own hands. The stats are clear, kids in general don;t do this type of research beforehand. thus the change in driking laws from 18 to 21 (wrongfully so). Stats at the time were showing a large protion of alcohol related deaths to be occurring for youths between the ages of 16-20. > >>>>Please enumerate what people should eb allowed to gladhandedly experiment >>>> > >I believe people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it is >not >directly harming someone else. When does this apply? can a 6 year old make this decision, how about an 11 year old...13? Or any age it doesn;t matter? > I definitely do not think it is the >government's >business or anyone else's what a person chooses to do with their body >whether >it be sex, the chemicals they consume, or especially not when they are >allowed to come and go. As long as there is a compelling interest then the govt. has a responsibiltiy to it's citizens. For instance, can a 6th grader make an informed decision to have sex wity someone 25? Hey, they';re not hurting anyone right? Sorry, I beleive in limits...when you have children, you will too. > > >>That is one instance. There are other laws that are meant for the >>protection of children and I am for them. Curfews? I am not down with >>that, I am also not down with midnight basketball (what in the fuck is a 15 >>year old doing out at midnight?). And with your example you have proven my >>point. You're right, some kids aren;t afarid of curfews. Is that wise? >>Thus my initial point, children often cannot make proper choices, thus the >>importance of the guidance of parents in regards to decision making. > > >I see nothing wrong with a 15 year old being out at midnight. Why? What *can* a child do at midnight? They cannoit go into clubs, eating establishments are closed, and the majority of people are asleep. It is one thing for an adult, a completely different matter where kids are involved. > >I graduated high school at the age of 16. I do not consider those at age 16 >or even 15 "children" who "often cannot make proper choices" I do. And the najority of adults do. You cannot vote, you cannot drink, and you can barely drive. Getting a job? Unless it's mickey D's you really couldn't support yourself in any major metropolitan city. You have no credit, you have nothing. And you are, despite your beleif in your immortality, quite capable of being taken advangtage of due to lack of life experience. Ask the center for exploited children, or ask the numerous teeneage prostitues here in the city and elsewhere. A 16 year old is prime meat, and an easy target. Maturity or not. > >Different people mature at different rates. Just because someone is younger >does not mean they are immature or incapable of making informed decisions. History tells me otherwise. Please name the child revolts during the industrial age in this country and in Britian. Kids are easily exploted and used by thier eldrers. Thus laws meant to protect them. Kids have been slaves (the Crusades, here in America), used as cheap labor (SE Asia), sold into prositution (everywhere). Now given alot of these circumstances don;t involve choice, but as any exploiter knows it is easier to control and manipulate a child than an adult. >I went to my first rave at the age of 15 and was completely sober. My >parents >knew about it and it was fine with them. It was a very positive experience >and >I believe it had a good effect on my life. I stayed out until 6 a.m., came >home, >and slept, and went to school on Monday. I love these personal anecdotes. I can only wonder how many others have never made it home because they were too fucked up. How many teen girls have been raped after all night drinking in TJ, Mexico, how many girls & boys have been taken adavntage of. I would call you lucky. > >>To me kids have no business being out at midnight. A parent who allows that >>must deal with the consequences (along with the child). There is a time >>and a place for everything. If parents, and society dealt more with the >>great responsibility of raising children, instead of depending upon others >>to do it, then we wouldn't e having this conversation. > >I completely agree and think that the government should have no role in >how a parent decides to raise their children. > >>As for drug taking, and children, there is enough evidence to suggest >certain >nuerotoxicity of drugs taken at parties. > >You can find a survey to prove anything. 75% of all people don't know that >;) I was not talking surverys, I am talking tombstones. Death rarely lies. Neither do the voluminous heroin overdoses, GHB deaths, E hospitilizations, alcohol realted deaths. > >>Frying your developing brain at 15 is one thing, doing it at 26 >>is another. > >I see no difference. The brain is continuously developing. It doesn't >suddenly >stop once you reach a certain age. (although in some people i have met it >seems >like it did *giggling*) :), so in theory a developing child in the womb won't be hurt by a little E, LSD, GHB, or a pint of booze eh? C'mon, let's get very real here. There is a point where the brain stops it formation. it is not ongoing at all. You do not continue to grow, you reach a max hieght and begin withering into old age. > >> Ask the numerous former SFRavers who had to leave Cal or other schools >because >of exessive partying and drug use (18 and just out of the home, >total freedom, then a >total fuck up). > >Should they have had a curfew too? =) Obviously since they were not able to make a rational decision and see the far reaching consequences of what they were doing, a curfew doesn;t sound all too bad now does it. Whether it be self-imposed or not. I'm sure in retrospect many would have gladly wanted that instead of being expelled due to piss poor grades, but great party times. > >Did you read the hard times posting? Sometimes it is necessary to make >mistakes >in order to learn from them. I don't think just because someone is underage >means >that they will make bad decisions. I agree. I do think that me being older allows me to see consequnces no 16 year old would ever dream of. I am thinking the future, often kids think of today. Now that does not make me better, it's just that decision making is a matter of years of experience and trial and error. The longer you do it, the better you become at it. a 16 year old is just beginning to make life altering decsions. And the longer they do that, the better they become at making them. Practice makes perfect. this does not negate the need for rules under which decisions can/could be made. > >I feel that it is the parents responsibility to decide when a "child" is >mature enough >to be staying out until midnight, not the governments'. Well, if parents elect the govt. to do so then it is a shared responsibility. > >I feel it is the individual's responsibility to decide when or if they put a >substance >in their body, not the governments'. And at what age can this safely be done. 18 sounds very fair to me. > >love+groovin > >kim >oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. >the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone >the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the >groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. >http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html >seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 >http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave >Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! >.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 02:14:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9271 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 02:13:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 9260 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 02:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dypic.com) (206.14.12.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 02:13:52 -0000 Received: by dypic.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA21083; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:18:23 -0800 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:18:23 -0800 Message-Id: <9711240118.AA21083@dypic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: From: dsp Subject: Serving RealAudio in CA X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi, i posed a question similar before (ie whats the best fastest isp... got answers like earthlink,best) but im wondering from people that currently SERVE RealAudio and/or AudioActive mp3 action, where can i go from SF to SJ to get affordable decent service. Im not expecting DROVES of hits, but i dont want to pay mad hunks of cash per MB when a real audio set is like 3 MB a shot. also what kind of places might look into helping out serve cheaper for a non-profit group. and i also dont want one of those really horrid sites where the realaudio never works because the server's off on some capillary of some amputated limb of the internet. Thankyou immensely for your help :) pk word -garrett ps: where exactly is the Piano Factory? :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 02:36:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13483 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 02:36:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 13474 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 02:36:18 -0000 Received: from mail2.sirius.com (205.134.253.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 02:36:18 -0000 Received: from [205.134.227.23] (ppp-asft01--023.sirius.net [205.134.227.23]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id SAA15358; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:36:07 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: standish@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711240151.UAA21992@www10.web2010.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:31:14 -0800 To: * sherry * , "SFRAVES SFRAVES" From: Michael Standish Subject: Re: Harmony & FFn = same group? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Sherry: >I was just wondering...is Friends & Family a partition of Harmony? Nope. FnF is just FnF. Although most if not all of the FnF crew are involved in, or have been involved in throwing other raves. Sometimes those other groups put so much in to FnF parties that their names end up on the tickets. My collection of old FnF tix lists: Immersive arts, Gateway Systems, Cloud Factory, Mad, Justice League, New moon After Glow, but not Harmony. This is not to say that there are not Harmony people involved in FnF and vice versa; I don't know. Ulrich standish@sirius.com "... how can you not blow a whistle?? It unites us in one big TWEEEEET!" TeKnODiVa From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 02:40:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15038 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 02:40:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 15030 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 02:40:22 -0000 Received: from precipice.v-site.net (204.188.120.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 02:40:22 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.161] (g0d.oobe.com [205.162.25.161]) by precipice.v-site.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA08331 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:49:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:46:11 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: astral matrix Subject: Re: Slobber raving Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk the enit festival was grand- markie and tony renewed my faith in Thee Church of Thee Four on Thee Floor. when's the rave at Oakland Statium gonna happen? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 03:03:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18640 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 03:03:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 18632 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 03:03:42 -0000 Received: from mail1.sirius.com (205.134.253.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 03:03:42 -0000 Received: from [205.134.227.23] (ppp-asft01--023.sirius.net [205.134.227.23]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id TAA07961; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:03:39 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: standish@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:03:52 -0800 To: astral matrix , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Michael Standish Subject: Re: Slobber raving Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 6:46 PM -0800 11/23/97, astral matrix wrote: >when's the rave at Oakland Statium gonna happen? It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' New Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox TV, Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and a shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are shooting an episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum and all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all over the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. I very nearly puked, when I saw the flyer. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but it looks as if the rave scene has finally gone wholly and completely to shit. Glitterhugz Michael From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 03:04:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19184 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 03:04:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 19173 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 03:04:09 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 03:04:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 17131 invoked by alias); 24 Nov 1997 03:04:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124030404.17130.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 17113 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 03:04:03 -0000 Received: from madmax-138.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.138) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 03:04:03 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: "John S. Lee" , groovinkim@connectexpress.com Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:04:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sober raving Reply-to: Faro@usa.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-reply-to: References: <01bcf876$73ea5e20$6156dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Much of the disagreement between people on this post seems to be based on the comparison of "Age" vs. "Maturity Level." While it is true that age and maturity level are not equivalent expressions, age is unfortunately the best means readily available to determine maturity level. Of course there are mature 'adults' who are under age eighteen.. and immature 'children' who are far older, and at these points our system fails to perform it's job (giving freedom to those who can handle it and protecting from abuse those who cannot). In an ideal society these types of checks would not be necessary... but I am sure you are all painfully aware that our society in it's current state is something less than ideal. So, until we can come up with a better means to determine who can handle the freedoms available in this country, and those who can not, we must use these 'age laws' (you can drive @ 16.. vote @ 18.. drink @ 21 etc) as they are currently implemented as a rough guide to determine maturity level. Removing them completely is not a viable alternative from my point of view. If you see places where these laws are not working.. and can think of a better way, by all means take the initiative and try to change them. -Faro Faro@usa.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 03:16:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21888 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 03:15:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 21880 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 03:15:58 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 03:15:58 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-4-79.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.79]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA28644 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:15:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3478F1C6.15A3@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:17:26 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Slobber raving References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! What the hell, Are you serious??!?! I think it's time to demonstrate how offended the rave community is/will be! (Not speaking for all, maybe someone likes this news...as I say this I have my finger gagging down my throat.) Really this whole commercialization and the use of airhead actors makes me sick. Time for a walk out: Okay the night this "show" airs everybody turn off your T.V. and walk right out of your house. And go to a real rave. Teresa soon to be aka *Echo 1* :] Michael Standish wrote: > > At 6:46 PM -0800 11/23/97, astral matrix wrote: > >when's the rave at Oakland Statium gonna happen? > > It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' New > Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox TV, > Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and a > shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are shooting an > episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out > on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum and > all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all over > the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. I very > nearly puked, when I saw the flyer. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, > but it looks as if the rave scene has finally gone wholly and completely to > shit. > > Glitterhugz > Michael From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 03:16:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22437 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 03:16:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 22427 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 03:16:48 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 03:16:48 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-4-79.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.79]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA28995 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:16:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3478F1F8.43D7@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:18:16 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: "Ravin' New Years "97" was Re: Slobber raving References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! What the hell, Are you serious??!?! I think it's time to demonstrate how offended the rave community is/will be! (Not speaking for all, maybe someone likes this news...as I say this I have my finger gagging down my throat.) Really this whole commercialization and the use of airhead actors makes me sick. Time for a walk out: Okay the night this "show" airs everybody turn off your T.V. and walk right out of your house. And go to a real rave. Teresa soon to be aka *Echo 1* :] Michael Standish wrote: > > At 6:46 PM -0800 11/23/97, astral matrix wrote: > >when's the rave at Oakland Statium gonna happen? > > It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' New > Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox TV, > Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and a > shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are shooting an > episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out > on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum and > all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all over > the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. I very > nearly puked, when I saw the flyer. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, > but it looks as if the rave scene has finally gone wholly and completely to > shit. > > Glitterhugz > Michael From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 03:56:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27817 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 03:56:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 27809 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 03:56:11 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 03:56:11 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-4-79.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.79]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA13238 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:56:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3478FB32.44E1@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:57:38 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR...Help-Must find Todd Oldham! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Attention to anyone with like super connections or know how to get a real addy for FASHION DESIGNER TODD OLDHAM??? Stop laughing, I am serious. I must find a employed fashion designer that would be willing to be my High School Senior Project consultant. I have this project called QUEST and I need to do it to graduate, my question deals in the fashion industry for it calls my name. Can any one help me out here? TERESA soon to be aka *Echo 1*, soonn to be world famous designer of Aluminum, so I dream! :] From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 04:12:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 424 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 04:12:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 414 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 04:12:18 -0000 Received: from f108.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.227) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 04:12:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 2204 invoked by uid 0); 24 Nov 1997 04:11:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124041151.2203.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.8 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:11:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.8] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravalum@pacbell.net Subject: Re: slobber raving Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:11:50 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! What the hell, Are you serious??!?! I >think it's time to demonstrate how offended the rave community is/will >be! (Not speaking for all, maybe someone likes this news...as I say this >I have my finger gagging down my throat.) Really this whole >commercialization and the use of airhead actors makes me sick. Time for a >walk out: Okay the night this "show" airs everybody turn off your T.V. >and walk right out of your house. And go to a real rave. my tv wouldn't be on in the first place.... :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 04:17:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2649 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 04:17:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 2639 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 04:17:04 -0000 Received: from mail4.geocities.com (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.24) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 04:17:04 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca41-17.ix.netcom.com [205.187.203.145]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16853; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:16:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347900C3.E911B618@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:21:24 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ravalum@pacbell.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: "Ravin' New Years "97" was Re: Slobber raving References: <3478F1F8.43D7@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk What???? Are you people cereal?? This can't be happening! Someone say its a joke. When does this episode air anyway??? Love, Paul*E*Wog ravalum@pacbell.net wrote: > > Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! What the hell, Are you serious??!?! I > think it's time to demonstrate how offended the rave community is/will > be! (Not speaking for all, maybe someone likes this news...as I say this > I have my finger gagging down my throat.) Really this whole > commercialization and the use of airhead actors makes me sick. Time for a > walk out: Okay the night this "show" airs everybody turn off your T.V. > and walk right out of your house. And go to a real rave. > > Teresa soon to be aka *Echo 1* > :] > > Michael Standish wrote: > > > > At 6:46 PM -0800 11/23/97, astral matrix wrote: > > >when's the rave at Oakland Statium gonna happen? > > > > It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' New > > Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox TV, > > Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and a > > shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are shooting an > > episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out > > on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum and > > all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all over > > the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. I very > > nearly puked, when I saw the flyer. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, > > but it looks as if the rave scene has finally gone wholly and completely to > > shit. > > > > Glitterhugz > > Michael From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 04:18:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3201 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 04:17:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 3192 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 04:17:56 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 04:17:56 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23403; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:27:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971124030405.17135.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> References: <01bcf876$73ea5e20$6156dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:19:24 -0800 To: Faro@usa.net From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: Sober raving Cc: groovinkim@connectexpress.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 7:04 PM +0000 11/23/97, Faro wrote: > Much of the disagreement between people on this post seems to be >based on the comparison of "Age" vs. "Maturity Level." > While it is true that age and maturity level are not equivalent >expressions, age is unfortunately the best means readily available to >determine maturity level. Of course there are mature 'adults' who are >under age eighteen.. and immature 'children' who are far older, and >at these points our system fails to perform it's job (giving freedom >to those who can handle it and protecting from abuse those who >cannot). In an ideal society these types of checks would not be >necessary... but I am sure you are all painfully aware that our >society in it's current state is something less than ideal. > So, until we can come up with a better means to determine who can >handle the freedoms available in this country, and those who can not, >we must use these 'age laws' (you can drive @ 16.. vote @ 18.. drink >@ 21 etc) as they are currently implemented as a rough guide to >determine maturity level. Removing them completely is not a viable >alternative from my point of view. If you see places where these laws >are not working.. and can think of a better way, by all means take >the initiative and try to change them. > >-Faro >Faro@usa.net Here here. Well thought and well said. Pax, John "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 04:42:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7421 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 04:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 7402 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 04:42:44 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 04:42:44 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA27722 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:42:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971123204357.0069e49c@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:43:57 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: VespaRaver Subject: Fuck Sober Raving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! What is the fucking point of going on and on about it for days and days and days?!? I signed onto this list to here people talk about raving and to get different opinions and perspectives on different things. What I did NOT sign up for this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of people arguing back and forth over the same damn thing! You people need to get over it! It's not interesting anymore! VespaRaver =( ================================================= ************************************************* "One in three must find some peace." ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 06:10:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20436 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 06:10:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 20411 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 06:10:00 -0000 Received: from value.net (raygun@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 06:10:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id WAA12321; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:09:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:09:55 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: * sherry * cc: SFRAVES SFRAVES Subject: Re: Harmony & FFn = same group? In-Reply-To: <199711240151.UAA21992@www10.web2010.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk They aren't the same parties..but there are many people that are involved with both and other groups as well...we all help each other out=).....Reagan On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, * sherry * wrote: > I was just wondering...is Friends & Family a partition of Harmony? > > > Sherry / Mercury > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 06:10:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21010 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 06:10:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 21002 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 06:10:50 -0000 Received: from value.net (raygun@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 06:10:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id WAA12431; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:10:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:10:48 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: astral matrix cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Slobber raving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Andrew- when did they spin?..I left after Jane's.....-Reagan On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, astral matrix wrote: > the enit festival was grand- markie and tony renewed my faith in Thee > Church of Thee Four on Thee Floor. > > when's the rave at Oakland Statium gonna happen? > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 06:15:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22908 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 06:15:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 22900 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 06:15:26 -0000 Received: from mrin86.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin86.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.196) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 06:15:26 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA10985; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:14:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:14:54 -0500 (EST) From: IWuVu637@aol.com Message-ID: <971124011453_1115001081@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: ledesma@sfsu.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Fuck Sober Raving Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk damn boi!!! In a message dated 97-11-24 01:06:05 EST, you write: I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! What is the fucking point of going on and on about it for days and days and days?!? I signed onto this list to here people talk about raving and to get different opinions and perspectives on different things. What I did NOT sign up for this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of people arguing back and forth over the same damn thing! You people need to get over it! It's not interesting anymore! VespaRaver =( >> From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 06:37:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28867 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 06:37:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 28859 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 06:37:56 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 06:37:56 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BGF17064; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:37:25 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:19:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Slobber raving Message-ID: <19971120.162734.8054.0.drek1@juno.com> References: <3478F1C6.15A3@pacbell.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-9,13-14,16-68 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I have to back up Teresa on this one. When I read the post about this, it further embraced the sour feelings I'm starting to feel towards the commercialization of our scene. I don't know, maybe if they had the Discovery channel that would be kinda cool but to fucking have these immature, rich ass, "I'm so cool", fucks that install fear in me in my television are now starting to take over. Before you know it, raves here in the U.S. of A will be lilke raves in Germany where almost every party that isn't UG will have to sponsored by Marlbolo (sp?) or Coors or some shit. Geez. It's kinda like dying of a terminal illness. You don't know when but at some time, it's all gonna go. Unless you get all new age and shit and have it magically disappear. There's always hope that this cool little fad that the mainstream sees will slowly drift away. You know, it would really piss off Boomerang to see all those frat guys drunk ass hell at a party. What do you think he'd do? Bye now. dErEk On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:17:26 -0800 ravalum@pacbell.net writes: >Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! What the hell, Are you serious??!?! I >think it's time to demonstrate how offended the rave community is/will > >be! (Not speaking for all, maybe someone likes this news...as I say >this >I have my finger gagging down my throat.) Really this whole >commercialization and the use of airhead actors makes me sick. Time >for a >walk out: Okay the night this "show" airs everybody turn off your T.V. > >and walk right out of your house. And go to a real rave. > >Teresa soon to be aka *Echo 1* >:] > >Michael Standish wrote: >> >> At 6:46 PM -0800 11/23/97, astral matrix wrote: >> >when's the rave at Oakland Statium gonna happen? >> >> It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' >New >> Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox >TV, >> Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and >a >> shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are >shooting an >> episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is >strung out >> on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum >and >> all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all >over >> the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. >I very >> nearly puked, when I saw the flyer. Sorry to be the bearer of bad >tidings, >> but it looks as if the rave scene has finally gone wholly and >completely to >> shit. >> >> Glitterhugz >> Michael > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 06:45:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 656 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 06:45:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 647 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 06:45:36 -0000 Received: from f40.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.51) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 06:45:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 21843 invoked by uid 0); 24 Nov 1997 06:45:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124064504.21842.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.114.152.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:45:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.114.152.172] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Sober Raving Thread... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:45:04 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ok So how many years has this thread been going on for ;) -M- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 06:45:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1509 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 06:45:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 1447 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 06:45:57 -0000 Received: from f19.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 06:45:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 11891 invoked by uid 0); 24 Nov 1997 06:45:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124064528.11890.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.64.202 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:45:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.212.64.202] From: "Lindsey Clark" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: The V Tour Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:45:27 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I heard GREAT things about the V Tour that stopped in Toronto... Does anyone know if it is coming to SF? BRIAN GEE (!) was there with many other high-caliber junglists! LET ME KNOW IF YOU"VE HEARD ANYTHING!!!! Thanks, Lady Linz* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 07:09:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5232 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 07:09:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 5223 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 07:09:01 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 07:09:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA11694; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:07:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:07:01 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: VespaRaver cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Fuck Sober Raving In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971123204357.0069e49c@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk everyone has a different opinion on everything. this is a list, and everyone has a right to view their points. press *delete* i've been doing it for quite some time now. it's not all THAT hard now, is it? xo lara p.s. how long have you been on the list? i've been on for a year and a half, which isn't all THAT long, and i've seen WAY too many topics rehashed. but you gotta realize, everyone feels they have to say what they beleive. deal with it. coz someday you're gonna wanna make a point, and no one's gonna wanna hear it because it'll have been going around for ages. On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, VespaRaver wrote: > I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! What is the > fucking point of going on and on about it for days and days and days?!? I > signed onto this list to here people talk about raving and to get different > opinions and perspectives on different things. What I did NOT sign up for > this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of people arguing back and forth > over the same damn thing! You people need to get over it! It's not > interesting anymore! > VespaRaver =( > > > ================================================= > ************************************************* > "One in three must find some peace." > ************************************************* > ================================================= > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 07:38:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10052 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 07:38:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 10044 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 07:38:42 -0000 Received: from mrin41.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin41.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 07:38:42 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA22896; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:38:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:38:14 -0500 (EST) From: Xotchil8@aol.com Message-ID: <971124023813_1873100253@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: goodvibe@geocities.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Love??Big Heart? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I went to love and it was da bomb!!!!!!! You might've seen me having fun in the circle and chillin' with my patnas..... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 07:49:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12168 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 07:49:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12160 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 07:49:18 -0000 Received: from relay1.batnet.com (HELO relay.batnet.com) (204.188.144.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 07:49:18 -0000 Received: from [205.162.21.217] by relay.batnet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA06643; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:40:36 -0800 From: rush@batnet.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01bcf876$73ea5e20$6156dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:02:57 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Sober raving Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I am new to this list. The 90210 post kind of amused me, though I know it upset some/all of you. It would be fun to go to the 90210 party and play some sort of prank. Like go claiming to have this really cool new drug which in actuality does nothing/is just colored flavored alchohol, or claim to be members of a religious raving cult and coordinate the performance of really weird rituals, or go all dressed up as dinosaurs, or strip naked in the middle of the episode or.... Well...thought I would add another perspective on it all. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 08:54:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21705 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 08:54:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 21694 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 08:54:44 -0000 Received: from mrin44.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin44.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.154) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 08:54:44 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA20602 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 03:54:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 03:54:16 -0500 (EST) From: Jello15M@aol.com Message-ID: <971124035416_1537522968@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Sober raving Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I rarely say anything on this board because I rarely read my 2 million pieces of mail, but I chose to read this line of messages because I usually rave sober. They're kind of pissing me off, though. It seems as if you, John S. Lee, can usually defend your arguments, which while may be vaild, I do not agree with. However, when you encounter one that you cannot defend with evidance, you set out to attack the person who offered the opinion contrary to yours: >And you are, despite your beleif in your immortality, quite >capable of being taken advangtage of due to lack of life >experience. What's the purpose of "despite your beleif in your immortality?" >Neither do the voluminous heroin overdoses, GHB deaths, E >hospitilizations, alcohol realted deaths. Perhaps you would share the numbers? >There is a point where the brain stops it formation. as I recall the age at which your brain stops growing is 13 >And at what age can this safely be done. 18 sounds very fair >to me. Why 18? Perhaps it is time to end this thread, Mr. Lee. Your opinion will be accepted by very few on this board and the ongoing argument should be proof to that. I apologize to all you cool ravers that don't want to deal with this bull... you're right this is not the prurpose of the board at all! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 09:02:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22693 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 09:02:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 22672 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 09:01:59 -0000 Received: from mrin43.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin43.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.153) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 09:01:59 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin43.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id EAA25429; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 04:01:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 04:01:31 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971124040130_-923247671@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: ravalum@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Slobber raving Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk If you are true to the scene please dont go.....I think we should make flyers in advance and pass them out at parties only and tell everyone NOT to go.....I seriously feel sick after reading that...........<3 *MushyB! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 09:04:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23399 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 09:04:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 23390 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 09:04:22 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 09:04:22 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id BAA25774; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:04:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id BAA18616; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:04:16 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:04:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: * sherry * cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: --= LIFE FORCE IS BACK!!?? =-- In-Reply-To: <199711202354.SAA07939@www10.web2010.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You mean that dick Andre who threw Life Farce? On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, * sherry * wrote: > Hey kids, > > I was just wondering if any of you have heard anything about a party > in Las Vegas being thrown by the same guy who threw LIFE FORCE!? > > If so I'd really like some more info on it. I heard it via the grape vine > and just wanted to know if it was just a rumor or what. > > thanks....peace, love, and rave till dawn > > sherry / mercury > Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 09:08:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24110 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 09:08:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 24098 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 09:08:03 -0000 Received: from sweden-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO sweden.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 09:08:03 -0000 Received: from 38.11.195.170 (ip170.san-francisco2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.195.170]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA18645 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:08:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3479555D.4B8C@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:22:21 -0800 From: ~e~l~e~n~a~ Reply-To: epetzar@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ~groove meisters~ Subject: dub Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sat.nite went w/ my ~boyz~ to the Maritime Hall to see the Grandfather of DUB, **Lee"Scratch" Perry w/ the Mad Professor**[the Evolutioner of DUB], who brilliantly transformed the rhythm into a space odessy experience bringing in a sound, covering it w/ another, only to bring it back, he wonderfully fucked your mind, however i was just as impressed w/ "scratch" Perry he was exactly how i had pictured him, a short, bony, Jamaican man, wearing i dunno what! but holding the BIGGEST phatty i'd ever seen in my life, gEEz! i had...diffculty hearing Perry's words w/ the echos but i caught a few words and got the gist. so my friends and i sat back w/ large smiles, it was similar to a chill room, we all gathered on the floor, below the stage, everyone in circle groups, connections, it was such a friendly, mellow, happy environment, my last Reggae experience was waaaaay back in '91 at "Reggae Sunplash" awe, the memories......No i am not leaving the Rave scene, i just couldn't help but notice the similarities ;) my fave moment was when we *all* the audience, joined hands for it was beautiful, sure freedom is spreading, some have it pretty good, but there is much progress to be made, i hope the Unity in that space and at parties can be spread throughout the community as a precious VIBE ~ELENA~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 09:13:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25446 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 09:13:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 25438 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 09:13:27 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 09:13:27 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id BAA26237; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id BAA18851; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:13:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:13:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: VespaRaver cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: San Diego In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971121004438.0068e730@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Try SoCalraves. On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, VespaRaver wrote: > Okay...who has Raving info for San Diego from December 21st through January > 25?!?!? > VespaRaver > > > ================================================= > ************************************************* > "Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" > ************************************************* > ================================================= > Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 09:14:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26057 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 09:14:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 26049 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 09:14:48 -0000 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (128.32.206.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 09:14:48 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA24634; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:14:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971124011134.007725f4@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:11:42 -0800 To: Karma2001@aol.com, ravalum@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: Re: Slobber raving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 04:01 AM 11/24/97 -0500, Karma2001@aol.com wrote: >If you are true to the scene please dont go.....I think we should make flyers >in advance and pass them out at parties only and tell everyone NOT to >go.....I seriously feel sick after reading that...........<3 *MushyB! > i wish we'd had a couple extra months notice on this one--that way we could put together a gigantic free massive on the same night to compete with this one. but... despite all the corporate intervention, this party will not be much different from any other large new year's massive--except you can bet it won't get busted. the country will tune into their 90210 episode and watch us rave for an hour. more kids will get interested in going to parties. and that will be about it. life goes on and there is always next weekend. actually, i think it would be difficult to overexpose the scene any more than it already has been. in order for things to really fall apart, raves would have to stop being considered dangerous. which would mean that the whole country would have to collectively decide that kids partying all night with lots of drugs and loud music and strange lighting is OK. if that happened i would be so impressed at people being reasonable for a change that i wouldn't mind the "destruction of the scene." c'mon! the scene only dies when we want it to die! ------------------- "when they poured across the border, i was cautioned to surrender. this i could not do. i took my gun and vanished. "there were three of us this morning. i'm the only one this evening. but i must go on. the frontiers are my prison." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 09:19:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26860 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 09:19:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 26852 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 09:19:21 -0000 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (128.32.206.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 09:19:21 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA24968; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:18:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971124011604.0070eff0@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:16:07 -0800 To: Michael Standish , astral matrix , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: Re: Slobber raving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 07:03 PM 11/23/97 -0800, Michael Standish wrote: >episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out >on E. if i recall correctly, a while back they made some movie where this guy smoked a lot of weed and fell in with a bad crowd and terrible things happened, all because of his evil marijuana use. it's called _Reefer Madness_ and is a hilariously awful piece of anti-drug propaganda. i hope this will be as amusing to watch--i think it might be fun to tape it and project it on the wall at a party. and you can bet there will be some great audio samples to capture. ------------------------------- "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 09:36:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29687 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 09:36:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 29676 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 09:36:10 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 09:36:10 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id BAA27266; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id BAA19523; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:36:07 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: Martin Randall cc: fish1111@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: visual candy In-Reply-To: <199711231807.KAA18893@seidc.sei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Have the original artwork printed out on high quality paper (at Kinkos--bring them the file) then photograph the printed file with slide film. hugz, On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Martin Randall wrote: > > > > I want to put some of my computer art onto slides > > for projection at partys. > > > > I dont have the equipment or money to do digital projection > > so what is the best way to get computer graphics onto slides. > > > > Are there places to have this done locally ? > > > > can you photograph the computer screen? > > > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > > > foolish fish > > > > > > I've had stuff from my computer put onto 35mm slides - this > was at Bay Photo in Santa Cruz, but I'm sure many photo places > would also do it - maybe try Kinko's. It wasn't cheap - $5/slide > or so as I recall. The results were excellent though. (This was > from Powerpoint on a PC, but you can go from other formats). > I doubt if photographing the screen would look very good. > > Good luck! > > - Martin =] > > > Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 09:58:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16480 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 09:58:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 16472 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 09:58:29 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 09:58:29 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id BAA28052; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:58:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id BAA20120; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:58:27 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: * sherry * cc: SFRAVES SFRAVES Subject: Re: Harmony & FFn = same group? In-Reply-To: <199711240151.UAA21992@www10.web2010.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Completly different groups with many interconnected friendships and aquantices (sp?). On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, * sherry * wrote: > I was just wondering...is Friends & Family a partition of Harmony? > > > Sherry / Mercury > Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 11:09:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27339 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 11:09:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 27330 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 11:09:50 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 11:09:50 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.197.188]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA254; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 03:09:39 -0800 Reply-To: "Funky Tekno Tribe" From: "Funky Tekno Tribe Sound System" To: "Lindsey Clark" , Subject: Re: The V Tour Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 03:00:55 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf8c8$3cf88980$0100007f@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Guess you missed it... but we are doing Goldie at Bimbo's this Tuesday. He will be playing live with a full band, love bassist and singer... for those of you who missed his set at our show last Saturday ... this is your chance to catch him... > Monday November 10th > ULTRA Presents > Our last show for the year... > V RECORDINGS TOUR > BRYAN G > JUMPING JACK FROST > RAY KEITH > MC MOUSSE > Club V/SF > 21+ $5 Mohan Funky Tekno Tribe -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Clark To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, November 23, 1997 10:46 PM Subject: The V Tour I heard GREAT things about the V Tour that stopped in Toronto... Does anyone know if it is coming to SF? BRIAN GEE (!) was there with many other high-caliber junglists! LET ME KNOW IF YOU"VE HEARD ANYTHING!!!! Thanks, Lady Linz* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 13:48:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21497 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 13:48:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 21489 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 13:48:06 -0000 Received: from mrin44.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin44.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.154) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 13:48:06 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA28579; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:47:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:47:39 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971124084739_-120635197@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: breaker2000@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: slobber raving and exploitation Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/23/97 11:32:44 PM, you wrote: <<....my tv wouldn't be on in the first place.... :)>> RIGHT ON!!! This whole commercialization of the scene really makes me sad...just how djs suddenly get really crappy when they go mainstream or how parties get really fake and meaningless when it suddenly becomes an issue of money...it's up to us to keep it real (hi vlad!) and prevent raving from becoming a business! ....just my pre-morning coffee 2 cents worth =) luv n hugs, natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 19:33:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25132 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 19:33:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 25106 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 19:33:00 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 19:33:00 -0000 Received: from jeff.utron.com ([208.138.43.35]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23775; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:30:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Mr nStuff @ Work" To: "macadio" Cc: Subject: Re: Underground House Movement Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:30:24 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf90f$699db4a0$232b8ad0@jeff.utron.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well, I don't spin at parties.. And I probably never will want to. I have also noticed that I spin alot better when I block most of everything else OUT. We all know that everything around us influences us. When I get completely spaced out into my mixing or..ReBirth or something. =]:.. I do better. But it's really hard for me to comprehend anything at this point though. You know.. Like someone would have to come up to me and say "hey man, parties over. The cops came and broke it up three hours ago. Give it a rest man. Stop spinning" and I would be like "huh? budah beddie bu du" So when I someday get modivated to spin at clubs.. I want to draw a pretty picture of songs for MY time on the tables. Cause if I just go out their and have a good time. I will be like a crying baby forced to leave Toys R Us when he wants to have an ice cream cone! I don't want that! I want to have my ice cream cone and eat it too.. Oh.. Wait.. Yea.. Smoke break.. I need to go home and reply to some of my e-mails at lunch. NRR? Jeff From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 19:36:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 450 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 19:36:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 307 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 19:36:05 -0000 Received: from mrin52.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin52.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.162) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 19:36:05 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA23105 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:03:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:03:50 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971124140349_1694365730@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: LA ravers and Disneyland Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk HEy Hey Hey everyone...I just flew in from LALALAnd.. yes I did. No.. i did not go to party... although a bunch of us were debating driving to OZ n'stuff. But anyways... i had the chance this weekend to talk with some other LA ravers that were my age. Hm.. they say everyone and their mother are ravers down there now. And not RAVER ravers.. yanno.. the people who buy fur overalls at Red Ball on Melrose and wear beads and talk about all the parties they've never really been to. WEll.. so these people I'm talking with are sick of it and they all want to come up to the San FranDisko scene. They say they want the underground parties and the family and everything. I was showing them some little flyer (harmony? FnF?) And they were all excited because they'd never seen a flyer that small before. "THIS IS FOR A PARTY?" I just found this sort of humorous because I always hear so many people going off about how they want to go to LA because the scene is "So incredible and sOOO huge. It just blows your mind." Well.. that's exactly why some of the LA ravers don't like it. It just goes to show you that every scene has problems and that we are so lucky to have a scene that is like a family. YES.. even with all of the drama and such..MOST of our parties don't get busted, and every other person walking down the street isn't exploiting the scene. SO Let Marlboro and COors and Live 105 do whatever they want. We will always progress to something better and we will keep the vibe alive. OH! and on a more fun note... I went to Disneyland and met some kandy kids and we took pictures with tigger. Isn't it fun how my beads all glow on Space Mountain?? See you at Spirit! hugs n'stuff, 'trice the tekno diva "GEt Fresh- Drink Naked." --(sign off Naked Juice bar in LA airport) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 19:38:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4352 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 19:38:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 4105 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 19:38:12 -0000 Received: from mail1.sirius.com (205.134.253.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 19:38:12 -0000 Received: from [205.134.227.76] (ppp-asft03--076.sirius.net [205.134.227.76]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id HAA25209 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:28:31 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: standish@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3478F1C6.15A3@pacbell.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:28:00 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Michael Standish Subject: Re: Slobber raving Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Teresa >commercialization and the use of airhead actors makes me sick. Time for a >walk out: Okay the night this "show" airs everybody turn off your T.V. >and walk right out of your house. And go to a real rave. I'd love to, but my friend at Spelling says that Jenny Garth is gonna be fully candied out, right down to the pacifier and fuzzy sports bra. There's no way I'm gonna miss that. My friend hasn't seen the whole script yet, but apparently the 90210 kids are supposed to meet some SFRavers. They even want us to do a whole SFR rave within a rave, so they can have real SFRavers as extras. I'm way into it. This is our chance to show the world about PLUR and the SFR way. I took the liberty of telling them that we would do it. Don't worry I made them promise soap bubbles. We're getting a phat space with two main sound systems, an ambient room, and a chill room. There's gonna be a Starbucks in each room; I hope that won't offend anyone. Oh yeah, and get this, Chelsea Clinton is gonna be there. She's supposed to stay in the VIP rooms most of the time, but the place will still be crawling with secret service. Not only that but her dad is gonna sit in with the Spice Girls. There's gonna be a bouncy castle walkway, all the way between the arena and the coliseum. I don't know how many of you read Larry Nivven, but he came up with this idea for jet powered bass. Well there gonna have it. Six fat 747 motors dumping into an enclosed box with shutters opening at the right frequencies to let the bass out. Just one of these things has been shown to cause orgasm at 50 yards. I can't wait to six will do to people on E. PS: Wanna buy a bridge? Sir Ulrich Knight of the Turntables From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 19:40:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8666 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 19:40:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 8556 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 19:40:52 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 19:40:52 -0000 Received: from jeff.utron.com ([208.138.43.35]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05272; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:23:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Mr nStuff @ Work" To: , "VespaRaver" Subject: Re: Fuck Sober Raving Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:23:29 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf8f5$4c851f80$232b8ad0@jeff.utron.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk NEWBIE! Woohoo! =]:... You tell um Vesper! Goodmorning America! Hi Lara!! =]:... Jeff -----Original Message----- From: VespaRaver To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, November 23, 1997 8:42 PM Subject: Fuck Sober Raving >I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! What is the >fucking point of going on and on about it for days and days and days?!? I >signed onto this list to here people talk about raving and to get different >opinions and perspectives on different things. What I did NOT sign up for >this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of people arguing back and forth >over the same damn thing! You people need to get over it! It's not >interesting anymore! > VespaRaver =( > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 19:45:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14858 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 19:45:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 14778 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 19:44:58 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 19:44:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124180046.27145.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.238.169] by web2; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:00:46 PST Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Dorena C. Bernabe" Subject: Frankie Knuckles @ Nikita (review) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey everyone, well, i had waited many long years to see frankie knuckles live (i had only been able to hear him on cd before). i had to wait until i was old enough to get into clubs. then i had to wait until he came out here. all i have to say is that he was well worth the wait. HE IS THE BOMB!!! i was in heaven grooving to some beautiful and uplifting house for close to 3 hours. i highly recommend that those of you who missed him this time out make sure you see him the next time he is in town. thank you nikita for FINALLY having a house dj in the main room. there have been far too many techno djs in there lately (this is my opinion so don't flame me.) i hope everyone has a happy thanksgiving. enjoy your turkey "basted in blood" (those of you who saw sarah mclachlan on saturday night live will know what i'm talking about). -dorena RFSF "Free your mind and your ass will follow." -Parliament Funkadelic From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 19:45:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15057 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 19:45:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 14918 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 19:45:03 -0000 Received: from f36.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.47) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 19:45:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 12677 invoked by uid 0); 24 Nov 1997 16:57:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124165755.12676.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.202.191.8 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:56:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.202.191.8] From: "Digital Devil" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org, drek1@juno.com Subject: Beverley Hills 303808 (was Re: Slobber raving) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:56:33 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk (205.231.100.25) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 06:37:56 -0000 >I have to back up Teresa on this one. When I read the post about this, >it further embraced the sour feelings I'm starting to feel towards the >commercialization of our scene. I don't know, maybe if they had the >Discovery channel that would be kinda cool but to fucking have these >immature, rich ass, "I'm so cool", fucks that install fear in me in my >television are now starting to take over. *You know those immature cool fucks we have been around as long as I can Remember-/I think it would be cool to show a documentry on raves -I know they actually did show a couple the only one I can Remember that they actually aired was pArt of the history of roc n roll series towards the end of it tho it was done pretty well. (Whatever happened to Generation of Sound?!!!ANYONE KNOW?!) Before you know it, raves here >in the U.S. of A will be lilke raves in Germany where almost every party >that isn't UG will have to sponsored by Marlbolo (sp?) or Coors or some >shit. > *Well that's already happened-Most people on this list responded to Lifeforce pretty well and it had a bunch of corprate sponsers. So does Transatlantic Move, and a couple of other "raves" here in the bay Area do too.I'm sure there are a ton of promoters who would jump at the chance of a corporate sponser. Not that I condone, or like it, but it has already happened. >Geez. It's kinda like dying of a terminal illness. You don't know when but at some time, it's all gonna go. Unless you get all new age and shit >and have it magically disappear. There's always hope that this cool >little fad that the mainstream sees will slowly drift away. > *There will always be an underground-how exactly big that underground is is really of little concern. If you don't want to goto a party DON'T GO. Do NOT SUPPORT PROMOTERS/DJS/LIVE ELECTRONICA ACTS YOU FEEL SELL OUT. simple as that. I would love for everything to stay "the way it used to be" Truth of the matter is if COORS brought Carl Cox and Laurant Garnier(sp?) and Sasha and a mess of people I wanted to go see-I would go. Those are people I want to see. I'm coming (still in the process) to realize that the scene doesn't change too much -myself and everybody else does. >You know, it would really piss off Boomerang to see all those frat guys >drunk ass hell at a party. What do you think he'd do? > >*I'd hope they'd get they're ass thrown out-like they should be as well as anybody else causing problems- Bye now. > >dErEk > > >On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:17:26 -0800 ravalum@pacbell.net writes: >> >>I have my finger gagging down my throat.) Really this whole >>commercialization and the use of airhead actors makes me sick. Time for a >>walk out: Okay the night this "show" airs everybody turn off your T.V. and walk right out of your house. And go to a real rave. >> >>Teresa soon to be aka *Echo 1* >>:] >> >>Michael Standish wrote: >>> >>> At 6:46 PM -0800 11/23/97, astral matrix wrote: >>> >when's the rave at Oakland Statium gonna happen? >>> >>> It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' >>New Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox TV, >>> Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and a shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are shooting an >>> episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum and all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all over the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. very nearly puked, when I saw the flyer. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but it looks as if the rave scene has finally gone wholly and completely to shit. >>> Glitterhugz Michael >**What's the most ironic thing about this episode? Anyone remember the classic "EUphoria Episode" where they ask to purchase an egg to get to some rave where Brandon's gfriend (who I remember wAs from SF) spikes his drink with EUPHORIA (E)? this was like back in 91 or 92-before most of the people on this list were even raving! Raf ICQ#4673426 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 19:46:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15684 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 19:46:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 15661 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 19:46:14 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 19:46:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124194838.16462.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.112] by web2; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:48:37 PST Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:48:37 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: Slobber raving To: Michael Standish , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Michael don't u spin at parties wit bouncie walk ways... and two main rooms... a ambient room and a chill room.... or am i wrong?....~jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 19:46:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15788 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 19:46:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 15772 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 19:46:26 -0000 Received: from value.net (root@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 19:46:26 -0000 Received: from tfc (a66.value.net [207.33.94.66]) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id GAA29496 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:15:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34798C1A.3D6E@value.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:15:54 -0800 From: James Cochran Reply-To: camber@value.net Organization: Positive Solutions Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Does anyone know anything about heart conditions? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk My problem is that my father's heart is going and without getting to details that aren't relevant to the question, How can I help him live? I'm not looking for medical advice unless you've perfected cloneing or some other breakthrough. We have a pretty good relationship but at this point there are to many fears about tramatizeing his conditions to be thoughtless in what to say to him. This is far from clear but it's the best I can do. Thanks Plural James From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 19:47:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17446 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 19:47:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 17393 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 19:47:51 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 19:47:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124165902.8694.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.143] by attach1; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:59:02 PST Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:59:02 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: Fuck Sober Raving To: VespaRaver , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk A question for Vespa... rn't those opinions u were looking for tha same ones u've been reading...yes everyone has a opinion...thats why there have been so many posts about sober ravin....next time...as Lara said click delete...love~jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---VespaRaver wrote: > > I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! What is the > fucking point of going on and on about it for days and days and days?!? I > signed onto this list to here people talk about raving and to get different > opinions and perspectives on different things. What I did NOT sign up for > this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of people arguing back and forth > over the same damn thing! You people need to get over it! It's not > interesting anymore! > VespaRaver =( > > > ================================================= > ************************************************* > "One in three must find some peace." > ************************************************* > ================================================= > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 19:58:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29884 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 19:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 29760 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 19:58:03 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 19:58:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124185210.15432.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.158.134.131] by web1; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:52:10 PST Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: macadio Subject: Re: Underground House Movement To: "lara at vibe.org" , Mr nStuff Cc: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr , VespaRaver , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well I can only speak for myself I dont try to take anyone on a "horney" Journey or anything like that when I play out. I just try and take you on a Music journey and try to convey to my audience what is in my mind what makes me what to jump up and down. I was talking to a friend the other night and she was explaining how she could not dance hard enough to some songs the DJ was playing that is how I feel when I hear a rekkid and how I want my crowd to feel Like they just can't go off hard enough to certain tracks. If any of you have seen me play out you might be able to tell in my attitude to my songs. I do my "Tweaker dance" and shake my hands in the air and just go "bezerk" It is my Job as a DJ to play tracks and also put on some what of a show so when you see my tweaking and tweadling the knobs and looking focused it is part of the job. I enjoy it and love it but part of it is to look into as well not like a robot up there just playing beats. Bottom line is you have to enjoy it when it becomes boring or the same old shit it is time to quit. That is just my opinion and I could be wrong? Macadio ---"lara at vibe.org" wrote: > > yeah Jeff! > throw down them porn-plates and let 'er rip! > only i think the only people trying to stop ya would be all the ones > trying to get down your pants in the middle of your set! > muwahahaha :) > i'm sick too! staying at home all weekend. poo :) > xo > lara > > On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Mr nStuff wrote: > > > Wow! > > I was just thinking about something like this last night. > > > > I have noticed that the DJ's at the ravEs lately are having trouble > > creating a vibe in their sets. It's just one favorite song after another.. > > No artistic hour and a half at all.. Hmmm.. > > > > So, I have been thinking about creating the most seductive chill room set > > in the world.. My mind is full of seductive feelings.. I think it would be > > great. Just to look around and see everyone losing control to my set.. I > > want to make a chill room set that makes everyone horny! Yea, so horny that > > someone has to make me stop my set! I know I can do it! I have the power of > > creativity. > > Well anyways, I thought your question was cool. There is my answer to it. > > > > Shit! I have to goto work on a Saturday, and I am sick! > > > > Sniffle, ah choo, > > Jeff > > > > > > ---------- > > : From: VespaRaver > > : To: Mary Ellen Pratt-Herr > > : Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > : Subject: Underground House Movement > > : Date: Saturday, November 22, 1997 3:09 AM > > : > > : Thanks for the info about the Underground House Movement...How do you > > keep > > : a good continuous vibe going mixing all those styles in one room? > > : VespaRaver > > : > > : > > : ================================================= > > : ************************************************* > > : "Is the joy of love worth the pain of loss?" > > : ************************************************* > > : ================================================= > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:09:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11520 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:09:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 11512 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:09:04 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:09:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124201132.21796.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.112] by web2; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:11:32 PST Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: BSP just a sneak..... *Question Reality* To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ASR Productions will be bringing u....*Question Reality* Jan. 31st.... just a sneak peak at ya... did i get ya attention... lineup to be announced and voicemail in tha next week or so....so keep ya ear to tha underground.... i can hear a rumble ... rumble can u? grrrrrrr....yeah love jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:10:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12834 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:10:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 12688 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:10:08 -0000 Received: from mrin53.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin53.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.163) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:10:08 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA18816; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:31:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:31:00 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971124133100_-1105699559@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: ledesma@sfsu.edu cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: PLURITY (i forgot the subject last time) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-21 06:58:34 EST, you write: << So this Underground House Movement...does it include a lot of progressive house? No...I'm not stoopid and ignorant, just new...so let me know! Thanks so much----------------------->VespaRaver >> No.. it was a little slip of paper that people were passing out at parties. I have about three. IT's a really good message to pass on... maybe we should have more of these circulating around. And does anyone remember that one that was on here a LONG time ago? It got passed out at believe back in May or something?? "Rember when everyone used to hug all the time?? NOt just to say hello or goodbye?" Does anyone still have it?? it's up on my wall... but I'm too lazy to go get it down and type it up. We should circulate that at parties too. UNDERGROUND LOVE MOVEMENT. hugs, 'trice the tekno diva "if I wasn't a dj I'd be a porn star because it's something I'd be really good at." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:10:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13804 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:10:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 13781 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:10:49 -0000 Received: from mail1.sirius.com (205.134.253.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:10:49 -0000 Received: from pacbell (ppp-asfm01--026.sirius.net [205.134.235.26]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id MAA12870; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:10:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3479DF83.7E94@sirius.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:11:47 -0800 From: feMALER-DEMONS-Space Cowgirls X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: epetzar@earthlink.net CC: ~groove meisters~ Subject: Re: dub References: <3479555D.4B8C@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ~e~l~e~n~a~ wrote: > No i am not leaving > the Rave scene, i just couldn't help but notice the similarities ;) You may not have to leave the rave scene to hear more Lee Scratch Perry. Rumor is he is leaving the Big Label Reggae scene. His opinion(once again this is rumor) is that you can not earn the money you are worth until you die. If he does cross over to house and D&B (I believe I will get into a flame war if I say he is there already but that is my opinion) as is rumored, than we are really in for a wild new millinium. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:11:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14458 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:11:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 14436 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:11:38 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:11:38 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id MAA27124 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [169.233.12.105] by cats-po-1 (8.8.8/4.8) id MAA13507; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:11:34 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ptrrabbt@cats-po-1.ucsc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:11:23 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: PeterRabbit Subject: my shpiel (sp?) : -P Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I have an idea. what does respect( to others on this list ) mean to all of you? to me: that i remember that I can learn from everybody. we are all at totally different places in our lives: brought up different ways in different places, experiencing different things right now. noone is "better" only different. it means if I dont agree with someone- I want share opinions with that person so both of us can learn. I never want to argue about a point of view. I dont know better than anybody, I only know what I think and have experienced. it means that I will try my damn best not to ever say anything condescending. if you have the desire to argue with me about something here or anywhere else in any other post of mine, please read this again and try to look beyond how I said something in order to see what I really meant. thankyou -=PeterRabbit=- NoEvil(LiveOn) prod. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:12:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14730 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:12:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 14696 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:12:12 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.9) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:12:12 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA25495 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:11:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca3-09.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.105) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025434; Mon Nov 24 14:10:19 1997 Message-ID: <3479DF0E.242EBC7E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:09:50 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: Location for: The SPIRIT of Giving Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Many people have been hounding me for the location of this party. Normally We like to keep people in suspense about the location... it adds to that underground feeling, so I'm not going to come out and say it. BUT, i will give some clues :) 1. It is in Oakland 2. It is Very Close to Coliseum BART Station. 3. It is Very Close to freeway 880 4. There has not been a party there since late August. 5. Everyone loves this spot. 6. It is indoor and outdoor 7. It is the same location were Spirit was last year. 8. 20k sqft of this 70k sqft facility will be used for This Party. 9. It is rare to have such an affordable party at this location. (practically a miracle) 10. This facility has Solid Walls, and does not require generators. 11. It is also known as the "Oakland International RAVE Center" If you guessed by the first 3 clues then you are a veteran raver. If you didn't figure it out until the 7th clue, then you are a new bee raver. If you still haven't gotten it.... than all I can say is..... welcome to the undreground :) ALSO... Keep in mind that Many of the ticket outlets will be closed on Thanksgiving Thursday. so to take advantage of the $15 Advance ticket and the $5 savings at Bigfloor, you should plan on geting your tix before stores close this Wednesday Night. for more info please click on these links: Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html Keep it Real... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:13:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15548 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:13:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15440 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:13:52 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:13:52 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xa2GT-0007J4-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:25:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:25:48 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: Important to me: Anyone know a Julie?!?! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi guys. I had a REALLY strong premonition of meeting someone really *special* on Friday... and I did!... but the thing is that I don't know where her e-mail address is.... I think I accidently through it out... :( I gave her a special blowpop (that I put in my front left pocket to give to that special person that i had a strong feeling I would meet).... I asked her to give me her number but she said to "e-mail me, and we'll see if it was fate".... sigh.... So I'm wondering if any of you know a certain "Julie". Here's more info about her: She's 24, Asian, shoulder length black hair, works at a company testing "Online video games", the name of her company has two words, the first word starts with a "H" and the second starts with a "B". The company is in the city and Julie lives in the city as well. She's also in a band, but unfortunately I don't know the name. She's originally from Portland and moved down to San Francisco. Help me out if ya can... Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:18:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20032 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:18:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 19995 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:18:14 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:18:14 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA29141 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:17:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:17:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711242017.OAA29141@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Received: from sfo-ca6-15.ix.netcom.com(199.35.210.207) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029062; Mon Nov 24 14:15:47 1997 From: jmiller9@ix.netcom.com (J Miller) Subject: Re: Slobber raving To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >I'd love to, but my friend at Spelling says that Jenny Garth is gonna be >fully candied out, right down to the pacifier and fuzzy sports bra. There's >no way I'm gonna miss that. My friend hasn't seen the whole script yet, but >apparently the 90210 kids are supposed to meet some SFRavers. They even >want us to do a whole SFR rave within a rave, so they can have real >SFRavers as extras. I'm way into it. This is our chance to show the world >about PLUR and the SFR way. I took the liberty of telling them that we >would do it. Don't worry I made them promise soap bubbles. We're getting a >phat space with two main sound systems, an ambient room, and a chill room. >There's gonna be a Starbucks in each room; I hope that won't offend anyone. >Oh yeah, and get this, Chelsea Clinton is gonna be there. She's supposed to >stay in the VIP rooms most of the time, but the place will still be >crawling with secret service. Not only that but her dad is gonna sit in >with the Spice Girls. There's gonna be a bouncy castle walkway, all the way >between the arena and the coliseum. I don't know how many of you read Larry >Nivven, but he came up with this idea for jet powered bass. Well there >gonna have it. Six fat 747 motors dumping into an enclosed box with >shutters opening at the right frequencies to let the bass out. Just one of >these things has been shown to cause orgasm at 50 yards. I can't wait to >six will do to people on E. > > > > > >PS: Wanna buy a bridge? > > > >Sir Ulrich Knight of the Turntables > > > Geez, you know what? All those wonderful things just make me want not go! I mean, it sounds great and all, and it is a very attractive offer by Spelling Productions, or whatever, but they are still airheads, who are looking to make a big buck-> none of which I will be supplying due to disrespect for commercialization and money grubbing weasels. Now if you wanna go, thats fine, but don't come crying when your favorite underground promoters keep getting shut down because Ford, Fox Television, TNT, MicroSoft, and General Electric narc on their locations and they cannot make any money and go under because the "Big guys" are pushing them out of the rave culture. So, I hope you have fun at this little shindig and I hope your extended support for the big business' ventures into raving does not ruin it for the people who actually care about our culture. John From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:20:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21974 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:20:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21928 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:20:48 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:20:48 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.118] ([38.248.198.118] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28145 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:22:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971124140349_1694365730@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:20:58 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Re: LA ravers and Disneyland Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ah, the perfect opportunity for the l.a. ravers to make their own scene! trice said.... >HEy Hey Hey everyone...I just flew in from LALALAnd.. yes I did. No.. i did >not go to party... although a bunch of us were debating driving to OZ >n'stuff. But anyways... i had the chance this weekend to talk with some >other LA ravers that were my age. Hm.. they say everyone and their mother >are ravers down there now. And not RAVER ravers.. yanno.. the people who buy >fur overalls at Red Ball on Melrose and wear beads and talk about all the >parties they've never really been to. WEll.. so these people I'm talking >with are sick of it and they all want to come up to the San FranDisko scene. > They say they want the underground parties and the family and everything. I >was showing them some little flyer (harmony? FnF?) And they were all excited >because they'd never seen a flyer that small before. "THIS IS FOR A PARTY?" (and yep, that's the Harmony flyer for December's Beautiful People).... but these kids, welcome as they are to come visit... have to grasp that if they want smaller, family-style undergrounds in LA... then they should put those parties on!! they need to create their own scene.... find a space, invite their friends, the ones they really want to hang out and dance with.... and make the party the way they think it should be... sometimes the grass looks greener on the other side... but all your own lawn needs is a little water... love, leslie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:28:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27869 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:28:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 27843 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:28:45 -0000 Received: from f42.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:28:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 5028 invoked by uid 0); 24 Nov 1997 20:28:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124202817.5027.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.202.191.9 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:28:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.202.191.9] From: "Digital Devil" To: ledesma@sfsu.edu, TeKnODiVa@aol.com Cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: PLURITY (i forgot the subject last time) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:28:02 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > ><< So this Underground House Movement...does it include a lot of progressive > house? No...I'm not stoopid and ignorant, just new...so let me know! > Thanks so much----------------------->VespaRaver >> > >No.. it was a little slip of paper that people were passing out at parties. > I have about three. IT's a really good message to pass on... maybe we >should have more of these circulating around. And does anyone remember that >one that was on here a LONG time ago? It got passed out at believe back in >May or something?? "Rember when everyone used to hug all the time?? NOt just >to say hello or goodbye?" Does anyone still have it?? it's up on my wall... >but I'm too lazy to go get it down and type it up. We should circulate that >at parties too. UNDERGROUND LOVE MOVEMENT. > > hugs, > 'trice the tekno diva > > "if I wasn't a dj I'd be a porn star because it's something I'd be really >good at." > *****Yeah I remember that flyer they were passing it out at a dubtribe party earlier this year.!Someone should post that (I will if I find it) Raf ICQ#4673426 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:32:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2422 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:32:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 2408 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:32:21 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:32:21 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id MAA29077; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [169.233.12.105] by cats-po-1 (8.8.8/4.8) id MAA17721; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:23:01 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ptrrabbt@cats-po-1.ucsc.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971124133100_-1105699559@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:22:50 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, TeKnODiVa@aol.com From: PeterRabbit Subject: Re: PLURITY (i forgot the subject last time) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk TeKnODiVa said: >> So this Underground House Movement...does it include a lot of progressive >> house? No...I'm not stoopid and ignorant, just new...so let me know! >> Thanks so much----------------------->VespaRaver >No.. it was a little slip of paper that people were passing out at parties. actually Underground House Movement is a group with a dream. part of this dream is "the dream" message that you read, and this whole dream is congealing in the form of a "party" in early '98 though i'd rather call it an underground celebration of dancing, music, love, and family. -=PeterRabbit=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:39:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6749 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 6741 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:39:45 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:39:45 -0000 Received: from jeff.utron.com ([208.138.43.35]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21737; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:39:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Mr nStuff @ Work" To: "macadio" Cc: Subject: Re: Underground House Movement Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:39:56 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf919$1fe17860$232b8ad0@jeff.utron.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Oh I get it.. I think you missed my point.. I would like to do the "horny" set thing. Because.. Well, a quick explination.. I have a bad habbit of envoking thoughts onto others.. I just wanna do that in a set from time -to- time.. I have not been to a ravE for along time so, I cannot say wether or not your mixes are meaningful or not. If you say they are, they probably are. Awight then. Peaz.. Jeff It's weird.. If you think I am, I can't help but act the part. Like a bad reflex. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:43:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8213 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:43:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 8205 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:43:28 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.6) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:43:28 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA11808; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:23:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca3-09.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.105) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011671; Mon Nov 24 13:22:18 1997 Message-ID: <3479D3CC.8A972622@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:21:48 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rush@batnet.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: 90210 (was Re: Sober raving) References: <01bcf876$73ea5e20$6156dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I totally agree. This thing is so funny, that anyone taking it seriously is loosing perspective. Just remember, in this world, it's too easy to get distracted by what other people are doing. The only person you have to answer to is yourself. And if you are sidetracked by other peoples actions, then you can not fully concentrate on your own plans and goals. Remember: Raving is What YOU belief it is, not what others want to portray it as. And this goes the same for everything else in life. Don't be distracted from your focus and direction by other peoples actions, or else you are letting them win. Raving is what is in your heart. Everything else is a cheap imitation. Keep it Real Vlad rush@batnet.com wrote: > I am new to this list. The 90210 post kind of amused me, though I know it > upset some/all of you. It would be fun to go to the 90210 party and play > some sort of prank. Like go claiming to have this really cool new drug > which in actuality does nothing/is just colored flavored alchohol, or claim > to be members of a religious raving cult and coordinate the performance of > really weird rituals, or go all dressed up as dinosaurs, or strip naked in > the middle of the episode or.... Well...thought I would add another > perspective on it all. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:44:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8921 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:44:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8912 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:44:44 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:44:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124151549.11.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web4; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:15:49 PST Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:15:49 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: Fuck Sober Raving To: "lara at vibe.org" , VespaRaver Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Thanks Lara! I was just going to write that. Vespa set up a filter for anything marked "Sober Raving" this will solve your problem. LL ---"lara at vibe.org" wrote: > > everyone has a different opinion on everything. > this is a list, and everyone has a right to view their points. > press > *delete* > i've been doing it for quite some time now. it's not all THAT hard now, is > it? > > xo > lara > > p.s. how long have you been on the list? i've been on for a year and a > half, which isn't all THAT long, and i've seen WAY too many topics > rehashed. but you gotta realize, everyone feels they have to say what they > beleive. deal with it. coz someday you're gonna wanna make a point, and no > one's gonna wanna hear it because it'll have been going around for ages. > > > On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, VespaRaver wrote: > > > I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! What is the > > fucking point of going on and on about it for days and days and days?!? I > > signed onto this list to here people talk about raving and to get different > > opinions and perspectives on different things. What I did NOT sign up for > > this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of people arguing back and forth > > over the same damn thing! You people need to get over it! It's not > > interesting anymore! > > VespaRaver =( > > > > > > ================================================= > > ************************************************* > > "One in three must find some peace." > > ************************************************* > > ================================================= > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:50:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10804 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:50:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 10794 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:50:22 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:50:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124204808.9830.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web4; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:48:08 PST Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:48:08 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: Slobber raving To: J Miller , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > >PS: Wanna buy a bridge? Hey John! Did you read this? He was being funny, damn funny at that. Do you know what the word "facetious" means? I just want to go so I can bust moves on "David" hey n' stuff you down??? LL From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:50:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11352 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:50:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 11334 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:50:33 -0000 Received: from liberty5.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.165) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:50:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 3873 invoked by uid 0); 24 Nov 1997 20:50:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124205005.3872.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.114.28.53 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:50:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.114.28.53] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, unclenoa@netcom.com, breaker2000@hotmail.com, raf_one@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Darth Vader Song (was Re: speaking of vibes...) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:50:04 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > >Anyone remember that song that had a sample that had Darth Vader >saying,"pherhaps I can find new ways to motivate them" then it goes into >some acidhouse.. it came out in 95 i think -I remember Markie played it >at the beginning of his set at a Basics party that year (I got his set >from that party on tape too!) >Raf I have the track, play it in my hard trance set in fact...it's quite phat with it's Star Wars laser gun effects :)! ************************************************************* Stay Cool! /////// /// /// /////// ////// ////// /////// /////// /// /// /// /// // /// / // /// /// // /// /// /// /// // /////\ ////// /// /// // /// /// /// /////// /// \\ // /////// /////// tm. Matthew A. Schwartz -Matt...the other one- "If the beats were matched, and the levels were just right... these records might actually sound good together!" ************************************************************* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 20:59:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14319 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 20:58:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 14311 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:58:57 -0000 Received: from f45.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.56) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:58:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 23624 invoked by uid 0); 24 Nov 1997 20:58:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124205828.23623.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.114.28.53 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:58:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.114.28.53] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ptrrabbt@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: RESpect...Re:Re: my shpiel (sp?) : -P Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:58:27 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > >I have an idea. > >what does respect( to others on this list ) mean to all of you? > > Hrmm, I'd say that Respect, is the one part of PLUR that the SFraves community is somewhat lacking of. We have Peace, Love and Unity, but I might go out on a limb to say that respect is the one thing this raving community should work harder at. I'm not going to argue the point on-line either those of you who know me well already understand why I make this point. to me: > >that i remember that I can learn from everybody. > >we are all at totally different places in our lives: brought up different >ways in different places, experiencing different things right now. noone >is "better" only different. > >it means if I dont agree with someone- I want share opinions with that >person so both of us can learn. > >I never want to argue about a point of view. I dont know better than >anybody, I only know what I think and have experienced. > >it means that I will try my damn best not to ever say anything condescending. > > > >if you have the desire to argue with me about something here or anywhere >else in any other post of mine, please read this again and try to look >beyond how I said something in order to see what I really meant. > >thankyou > > -=PeterRabbit=- > NoEvil(LiveOn) prod. > > > ************************************************************* Stay Cool! /////// /// /// /////// ////// ////// /////// /////// /// /// /// /// // /// / // /// /// // /// /// /// /// // /////\ ////// /// /// // /// /// /// /////// /// \\ // /////// /////// tm. Matthew A. Schwartz -Matt...the other one- "If the beats were matched, and the levels were just right... these records might actually sound good together!" ************************************************************* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 21:15:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20065 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 21:15:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 20035 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:15:35 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:15:35 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA02631 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:14:59 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:14:59 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711242114.PAA02631@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Received: from sfo-ca12-24.ix.netcom.com(204.30.64.216) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002607; Mon Nov 24 15:14:42 1997 From: jmiller9@ix.netcom.com (J Miller) Subject: Re: Slobber raving To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >> >PS: Wanna buy a bridge? >Hey John! Did you read this? He was being funny, damn >funny at that. Do you know what the word "facetious" >means? I just want to go so I can bust moves on "David" >hey n' stuff you down??? >LL Now that I reread the post, I must agree that it was inteded as funny. Sorry to anyone that I offended as I was not in my happy state. Once again, apologizing. John From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 21:19:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22403 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 21:19:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 22395 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:19:23 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:19:23 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-119.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.119]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA18735 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:19:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3479F04A.7469@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:23:22 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: my shpiel (sp?) : -P References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Nice post and something i have been meaning to post about for awhile in regards to the so called flame wars that some have complained about.. I would like to point out also that we all are here on this list for different reasons, just like IRL at partys. Some like little quick one liner exchanges and some like more in depth dialog and lively debates. And some see little one liners as being empty wastes of bandwidth while others dont want to read thru these long winded discussions. I know that some often equate disagreement with a flame due to their perception that disagreement equals direspect and the fact that disagreement often leads to violence. Just because we are debating something or in disagreement does not mean we are fighting. Personally i learn from these debates and find the diversity in opinions and taste to be one of the interseting parts of the rave community, both IRL and online. Its certainly nice when everyone is all hugs and happiness but the reality is that we are all different and that means there are going to be conflicts. I feel it is better to talk about these, learn something from each other, be tolerant and respectful in our disagreements and find new ways to expand our tolerance of each other rather than sit and simmer about "that stupid obnoxious other person" More variety for a better society ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish the seer of a flower is also a flower ========================================== PeterRabbit wrote: > > I have an idea. > > what does respect( to others on this list ) mean to all of you? > > to me: > > that i remember that I can learn from everybody. > > we are all at totally different places in our lives: brought up different > ways in different places, experiencing different things right now. noone > is "better" only different. > > it means if I dont agree with someone- I want share opinions with that > person so both of us can learn. > > I never want to argue about a point of view. I dont know better than > anybody, I only know what I think and have experienced. > > it means that I will try my damn best not to ever say anything condescending. > > if you have the desire to argue with me about something here or anywhere > else in any other post of mine, please read this again and try to look > beyond how I said something in order to see what I really meant. > > thankyou > > -=PeterRabbit=- > NoEvil(LiveOn) prod. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 21:35:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28505 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 21:35:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 28496 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:35:45 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:35:45 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id NAA13057; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [169.233.12.105] by cats-po-1 (8.8.8/4.8) id NAA15711; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:35:35 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ptrrabbt@cats-po-1.ucsc.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971124205828.23623.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:35:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, "Matt Schwartz" From: PeterRabbit Subject: Re: RESpect...Re:Re: my shpiel (sp?) : -P Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >> >>I have an idea. >> >>what does respect( to others on this list ) mean to all of you? >> >> > >Hrmm, I'd say that Respect, is the one part of PLUR that the SFraves >community is somewhat lacking of. We have Peace, Love and Unity, but I >might go out on a limb to say that respect is the one thing this raving >community should work harder at. > I'm not going to argue the point :) nice. i feel that arguing about respect would be hypocritical. >on-line either those of you who know me well already understand why I >make this point. > > > > > >to me: >> >>that i remember that I can learn from everybody. >> >>we are all at totally different places in our lives: brought up >different >>ways in different places, experiencing different things right now. >noone >>is "better" only different. >> >>it means if I dont agree with someone- I want share opinions with that >>person so both of us can learn. >> >>I never want to argue about a point of view. I dont know better than >>anybody, I only know what I think and have experienced. >> >>it means that I will try my damn best not to ever say anything >condescending. >> >> >> >>if you have the desire to argue with me about something here or >anywhere >>else in any other post of mine, please read this again and try to look >>beyond how I said something in order to see what I really meant. >> >>thankyou >> >> -=PeterRabbit=- >> NoEvil(LiveOn) prod. >> >> >> > > > > >************************************************************* >Stay Cool! > > /////// /// /// /////// ////// ////// /////// /////// > /// /// /// /// // /// / // /// /// // > /// /// /// /// // /////\ ////// /// /// // > /// /// /// /////// /// \\ // /////// /////// tm. > > Matthew A. Schwartz >-Matt...the other one- > >"If the beats were matched, and the levels were just right... > these records might actually sound good together!" >************************************************************* -=PeterRabbit=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 21:36:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29483 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 21:36:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 29475 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:36:39 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:36:39 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-119.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.119]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA25541 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:36:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3479F48F.79EC@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:41:35 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: respect (was Re: Slobber raving) References: <199711242114.PAA02631@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk J Miller wrote: > Now that I reread the post, I must agree that it was inteded as funny. > Sorry to anyone that I offended as I was not in my happy state. > Once again, apologizing. > > John Hello john You have just illustrated very well the idea of respect. You reacted to a post due to your current state of mind or because you misunderstood the post. This is not an attack on you...we all do the same thing. Just like the blue angels post of last month...my intentions were misunderstood and because of that it became one of the larger flame wars on sfraves. so you have i think done us all a favor today by your response. You have shown that it is important to make sure you take the time to understand the other person before you respond. happy thanks giving all ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 21:39:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1614 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 21:39:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 1600 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:39:52 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:39:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 4429 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:43:36 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:43:36 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971124133744.00b51f7c@sacraves.org> X-Sender: solr@sacraves.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:37:44 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: NRR - Re: Sober raving In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971122223112.007237a0@ng.netgate.net> References: <3.0.32.19971119201711.007502bc@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 10:31 PM 11/22/97 -0800, you wrote: >murder, because carelessness and stupidity are worse than malice. In a >non-ideal world, there is no good reason to drive fucked up, and there >exists such a wealth of evidence that being fucked up will make you very >likely to hurt someone else that I support tough drunk-driving laws. **** Just a thought... would there be a reason to drive fucked up in an ideal world? If your answer is yes... what would that be? I'm not sure if I agree it should be punished more severly than murder [are you talking 1st degree?]... seeing as though killing someone while you are driving can be [legally, although it *is* regardless i believe] murder, often manslaughter... You have made me wonder what the laws are now... I seem to remeber hearing something about the punishment for vehicular accidents of this sort growing recently.. I mean, it may *be* murder, 2nd degree, now instead of involuntary manslaughter.. because 2nd degree murder isn't pre-meditated, but it *is* murder... however, since you were jacked up when you started driving.. [this is why bartenders ask if you are ok before you leave, it relinquishes responsiblity if you say yes, they are responsible for calling a cab or something if you say no], then you take full responsiblity for your actions... you may not have thought you were going to miss the stop sign, get bumped by a volkswagen bug, and carreen off onto that sidewalk, but if you turn your mode of transportation into a weapon during your trip home... that's your fuck up, and you will pay the penalty. drunk driving laws have become quite severe.. including involuntary manslaughter. i >It takes a lot of strength to watch someone you love make a mistake. >Sometimes, though, if you don't, they'll never learn. **** you can tell them the burner is hot, but until they burn themselves, and know what "hot" is... they won't know what to avoid, regardless... they will just do it when you aren't looking... kids learn from thier mistakes... something adults sometimes have a hard time doing... IMHO. >The reason you learn lessons as you get older is because your parents are >not protecting you from the consequences of your decisions. Let this >happen earlier and kids will learn more. You wrecked the car? You pay for >it with lawn-mowing money or a shift at Mickey D's. Etc. *** hear, hear. >Bullshit. Look at curfews, for instance. Tell me that anyone who's >willing to do things that make them a danger to others (armed robbery, >beatdowns, whatever) is scared of a curfew violation. All it does is keep >the law-abiding kids who you're not scared of anyway at home. *** ah.. and out of harms way as well. those people who don't care about the curfew, and are out doing armed robbery, beatdowns, whatever.. are looking for the kids we're not scared of because their not scared of them either.. and they problably are either targets, or pursuadeable... >certain groups of people (such as kids) or certain actions (such as taking >illegal drugs) will _always_ lead to destruction, and should therefore be >punished _as if_ it were destroying another's life or property, is wrong. ***** not to totally disagree with you here.. however, often times it *is* the influence of drugs that leads to destruction.. often enough to be concerned. Although, i think age, and inexperience has a hand in the mix as well. The younger crowd taking drugs are a bit more impressionable than some of the older, wiser users. taking them in an environment, or with people who would suggest doing something destructive may lead them to to think that is the proper thing to do.. knowing no better, and, of course, not being in their right mind... I think it is important to impress the idea that drugs are *not* necessary, and are something to be carefully experienced.. in a safe environment.. at least the first time.. it's what i'll be suggesting to my kids... in fact, i will probably go on, and on with them [when they become curious] about my experiences.. and likely get the drugs, and do them with my kids, when they feel they are ready [if ever].. it will be a safe envirionment, and we would be able to discuss the effects during and after... they could decide to take them again.. but at least i would know they experienced them safely the first time, and knew what to expect. their experience would be thier own, but at least they wouldn't be getting some pcp or crystal meth instead of cocaine... ya know? the pot they would smoke with me would be the bomb... and clean.. the e would be clean and work. if they had a bad acid or shroom trip, it would be in a good, safe environment.. one that [from experience] i would have chosen for the maximum effect... i may be wayyy off here.. but it was a thread of thought. no offense intended bro. peace, -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 21:40:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2266 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 21:40:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 2258 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:40:42 -0000 Received: from mrin58.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin58.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.168) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:40:42 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA20134; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:40:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:40:15 -0500 (EST) From: IWuVu637@aol.com Message-ID: <971124164014_1182386262@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: macadio6@rocketmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Underground House Movement Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk macadio is right....djing is about makin people move and not jus bein up there playin like a robot....any1 who has ever spun a party knows the energy you get when you see kidz goin off to a track.......u know what i mean.......i think it makes the sets more fun when u see a dj really get into the music...it conveys more energy onto the floor........no matter what u spin..... aaron From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 21:42:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3732 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 21:42:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 3722 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:42:03 -0000 Received: from mrin38.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin38.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.148) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:42:03 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA25927 for SFRAves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:41:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:41:36 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971124164135_1981202786@mrin38> To: SFRAves@hyperreal.org Subject: RESPECT (was: my shpiel (sp?)) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk RESPECT IS~~~> knowing that everyone in this world is different. and that the world would not function if everyone was the same. So accept your individuality and know you would not be your own person if everyone else was like you. but remember that it's a two way street and everyone else has the right to be THEIR own person. and love them for being someone different. hugs, 'trice the tekno diva From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 21:47:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5271 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 21:47:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 5261 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:47:18 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:47:18 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25968 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:46:36 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n4-104.napanet.net [157.22.193.104]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11377 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:46:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971124134359.007b8100@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:43:59 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: llevi Butterfield Subject: Re: Slobber raving In-Reply-To: <19971120.162734.8054.0.drek1@juno.com> References: <3478F1C6.15A3@pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Derek wrote: >Geez. It's kinda like dying of a terminal illness. You don't know when >but at some time, it's all gonna go. Unless you get all new age and shit >and have it magically disappear. There's always hope that this cool >little fad that the mainstream sees will slowly drift away. > I think that all these people are just following a fad that has become "cool" in mainstream society. Either they will eventually just leave the scene to go live in their mansions and go to their bar mitzfahs, or they will lose thier mind and eventually evolve into something better. With any luck at all.... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 21:49:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6480 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 21:49:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 6471 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:49:54 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:49:54 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-37.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.37]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20089; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:49:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711242149.NAA20089@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: , Subject: Re: Underground House Movement Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:49:30 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You see then.. You would probably love to watch me spin. I get sucked into the tables pretty deep once I get going. You could walk by with a beautiful naked women on your shoulders, I probably would not even notice you. But, on the other hand.. Seeing a robot spin might draw alot of attention... I saw a green bug eyed alien spin before. Is this five e-mails yet? Oh... Jeff ---------- : From: IWuVu637@aol.com : To: macadio6@rocketmail.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org : Subject: Re: Underground House Movement : Date: Monday, November 24, 1997 1:40 PM : : macadio is right....djing is about makin people move and not jus bein up : there playin like a robot....any1 who has ever spun a party knows the energy : you get when you see kidz goin off to a track.......u know what i : mean.......i think it makes the sets more fun when u see a dj really get into : the music...it conveys more energy onto the floor........no matter what u : spin..... : : aaron From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 21:53:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7983 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 21:53:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7973 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:53:33 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:53:33 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id NAA16230 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [169.233.12.105] by cats-po-1 (8.8.8/4.8) id NAA22549; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:53:30 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ptrrabbt@cats-po-1.ucsc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:53:20 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: PeterRabbit Subject: Re: Love??Big Heart? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >I went to love and it was da bomb!!!!!!! You might've seen me having fun in >the circle and chillin' with my patnas..... ahh.. love.....i never wanted to leave. the house music vibe is sooooooo warm + friendly and damn...big heart was packed...jason told me almost 800. carlos ... always having fun... always encouraging me to have fun....loved his set. the first party in SF that i really felt like im starting to have real family here. ( only been here for 2 months ) i love one room parties. unity. mmmmmm.. warm fuzzie feelings.....I could just cuddle up and fall to sleep. :) sober party 4 me too! an accomplishment for me and felt quite good. ( has absolutely nothing to do with the sober raving thread) -=PeterRabbit=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 21:59:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10354 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 21:59:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 10339 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 21:59:00 -0000 Received: from mail1.sirius.com (205.134.253.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 21:59:00 -0000 Received: from pacbell (ppp-asfm02--088.sirius.net [205.134.235.88]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id NAA20651 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:58:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3479F8E6.3EE8@sirius.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:00:06 -0800 From: feMALER-DEMONS-Space Cowgirls X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: I am sorry Boomie&Noah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was wrong in leaking the news about your upcoming Housy Pink Floyd tribute. If I hadnt done that then the A&R people at the "Stadium Bouncy Walk" label{part of Spelling entertainment) wouldnt have offered you so much money to distribute the disc. And if they hadnt introduced the 2 of you to the concept of Big Money then you guys wouldnt have gotten into such a big fight. I hope that the two of you can repair your relationship. And release your 12"--"The Dark Side of Money". From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 22:03:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11368 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 22:03:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 11357 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 22:03:02 -0000 Received: from mrin53.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin53.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.163) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 22:03:02 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA26173 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:02:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:02:34 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971124170233_1205456365@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: I FOUND IT!! (underground house movement n'stuff) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey everyone!! i found that other flyer that was circulating a few months back. Here it is::: Why are you at this event? The rave scene is not just about techno. This scene is not just about drugs. This scene is not just about fashion. It is something special about unity and happiness. It is about being yourself and being loved for it. It should be a harbor from our society. But right now our scene is disintegrating!!!!! Old style ravers-- remember when everybody HUGGED all the time-- not just to say hello and goodbye? Remember how good that felt? Why don't we do it anymore? New comers-- you are wanted and you should know that this scene is about openess. We all share a bond-- the desire to groove to a good beat ALL night long-- and no one is an island. Everyone needs friends and the OUTSIDE WORLD is tough enough. We don't need fronts and attitudes in our scene. Open your hearts and let the good feelings flow. =) Look around you, pick a person, ask them their name, and make a FRIEND. Eliminate boundaries. OPEN your hearts and minds, RAVERS UNITE and keep our scene alive!!! that's it.. spread the word =) hugs n'stuff, 'trice the tekno diva "Do not go gently into that good night! Rave! Rave into the dawning of the light!" -- Shawna (Laughin' Happy Trip farmer) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 22:14:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16176 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 22:14:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 16167 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 22:14:25 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 22:14:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 5736 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 22:18:10 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 22:18:10 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971124141218.00b646f4@sacraves.org> X-Sender: solr@sacraves.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:12:18 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: Sober raving In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19971122223112.007237a0@ng.netgate.net> <3.0.32.19971119201711.007502bc@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 10:13 AM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >adressing the fact that children cannot and often do not have the >information to make informed decisions. Nothing you have said has changed >that basic fact. Children still do not raise thier parents, and often >enough children cannot take care of themselves when no resources are >available (they will ususally fall prey to all kinds of nonsense when left >to thier opwn druthers). **** hear, hear. although there *is* a lot of learning a new parent does.. or any parent for that matter with a child around. They may not raise thier parents in that sense of the word, however, they are cetain to raise thier consiousness on many levels.. there are a million new things to pay attention to, and many things *anyone* can learn from a child. >through making mistakes what your limits and capabilities are. There is no >need to experiment with drugs to find out these limits. There are other >ways to get the information you need without being scared straight. **** although, experimenting with drugs is one of the limits that will be explored. there are far too many limits to take drugs everytime you want to find out what they are.. likewise, you need to have a referance for both... you should know how to swim before trying to swim on acid. you should take acid on the ground, before taking acid and going swimming. most people know this sort of thing.. and by the time they are experiementing with drugs, they usually have enough forknowledge to participate with some level of safety. this may be where telling [or sharing with] them your experiences is incredibly important. >>Let this >>happen earlier and kids will learn more. You wrecked the car? You pay for >>it with lawn-mowing money or a shift at Mickey D's. Etc. > >Agreed. **** hehheh.. like i said before.. i agree as well. >Children, not guided by adults is wrong. Children not having a loving home >is wrong. Children not having a supprotive family is wrong. Families who >could care leess about the children they bring into the world is wrong. *** hear, hear. i dig these new commercials on the radio i hear where one guy is saying "come on, man let's hang around for another game" the response "no, i have to get home to my new baby." - responsiblility... right on. >parties. Frying your developing brain at 15 is one thing, doing it at 26 >is another. Age sometimes can make all the difference between success & ***** they are going to start when they friggin want to. there isn't much you can do, but keep your children informed. and the best way to do that is tell them what you know, and where to find out more information. at 15, hopefully they will spend more time figureing out what they would be taking, than taking it. peace, -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 22:17:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18021 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 22:17:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 18012 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 22:17:40 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 22:17:40 -0000 Received: from cats-po-1 (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP id OAA20990; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [169.233.12.105] by cats-po-1 (8.8.8/4.8) id NAA22200; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:52:16 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ptrrabbt@cats-po-1.ucsc.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971124164014_1182386262@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:52:04 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, IWuVu637@aol.com From: PeterRabbit Subject: Re: Underground House Movement Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >macadio is right....djing is about makin people move and not jus bein up >there playin like a robot....any1 who has ever spun a party knows the energy >you get when you see kidz goin off to a track.......u know what i >mean.......i think it makes the sets more fun when u see a dj really get into >the music...it conveys more energy onto the floor........no matter what u >spin..... > >aaron so true. I learned this from watching carlos:) and watching the dancefloor and watching myself get so into it when he's spinning -=PeterRabbit=- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 22:17:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18363 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 22:17:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 18241 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 22:17:46 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 22:17:46 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01526 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:17:05 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n4-105.napanet.net [157.22.193.105]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09514 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:19:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971124131634.007bf100@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:16:34 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: llevi Butterfield Subject: Re: Slobber raving - Enit In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 06:46 PM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >the enit festival was grand- markie and tony renewed my faith in Thee >Church of Thee Four on Thee Floor. Ho lord, the Enit Festival was something else. The music, the decorations, the different styles were EVERYWHERE. The whole time it was incredible. My face is still cramped up from non-stop smiles all night. Does anyone know who was spinning when it ended? And right when Janes finished? I can't figgure it out, people from the FTT I'm sure....but who? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 22:21:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20627 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 22:21:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 20617 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 22:21:23 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 22:21:23 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07511 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA06816; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:15:00 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:23:49 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: Re: A Rave Called Leslie Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who made it to A Rave Called Leslie on friday night. we buried the fairy rave mother and resurrected in her spirit, t h e b a b y l e s l i e. Some fine DJ's were stinking up my garage until the wee hours: Lucky Layne Loomis 64K Moshe Fubari vs Jelo (on 2 turntables!) Vertigo Laurie Stevens (keep your eyes out for her. She spun @ Wonder, plays fast progressive trance, and guaranteed to make the room smelly!) cul8erallig8or b))merang From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 22:28:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22955 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 22:28:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 22946 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 22:28:07 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 22:28:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19971124222221.1677.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web1; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:22:21 PST Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:22:21 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: Underground House Movement To: PeterRabbit , sfraves@hyperreal.org, IWuVu637@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Heres to Carlos!!! Hey comes out from behind the decks to groove with us. Can you get a faster mix? The man drops the vinyl on the platter and boom. Its on and spinning. LL ---PeterRabbit wrote: > > >macadio is right....djing is about makin people move and not jus bein up > >there playin like a robot....any1 who has ever spun a party knows the energy > >you get when you see kidz goin off to a track.......u know what i > >mean.......i think it makes the sets more fun when u see a dj really get into > >the music...it conveys more energy onto the floor........no matter what u > >spin..... > > > >aaron > > so true. > I learned this from watching carlos:) > and watching the dancefloor > and watching myself get so into it > when he's spinning > > > > > -=PeterRabbit=- > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 22:44:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 705 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 22:44:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 696 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 22:44:12 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 22:44:12 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.118] ([38.248.198.118] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28451 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:46:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:44:33 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Re: A Rave Called Leslie Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk And a very special thanks from me to Peter and his bombass girlfriend Jamie who decorated the house appropriately and had party hats and silly toys and gave me baby presents and all.... that was so awesome!~ And Tony/Deepfog who brought over a cake baked by Jasmine.... and yes, the music was way cool ... even got to see the elusive Memo/Vertigo... a good time was had by all, even the ones snoozing on the couch after they took their cold medicine! Thanks much to all who came out and made my birthday extra-special! (and yes, better keep an eye out for Laurie, I was half-asleep for her set, but my feet kept on moving even though I was curled up on the couch!) If you missed it, well, come on out to Spirit and we'll do it again! love, leslie p.s. Yes, the death of the fairy rave mother was made official with an epitaph that read.... "she was a bad influence anyway" ... I think i'll use it.... later, much later, years later.... somebody write that down, ok? >Thanks to everyone who made it to A Rave Called Leslie on friday night. > >we buried the fairy rave mother and resurrected in her spirit, > > t h e b a b y l e s l i e. > > >Some fine DJ's were stinking up my garage until the wee hours: > > Lucky Layne Loomis > 64K > Moshe > Fubari vs Jelo (on 2 turntables!) > Vertigo > Laurie Stevens (keep your eyes out for her. She spun @ Wonder, >plays fast progressive trance, >and guaranteed to make the room smelly!) > > >cul8erallig8or > >b))merang From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 22:49:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2165 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 22:49:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 2157 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 22:49:07 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 22:49:07 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA16068; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:48:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971124145012.00698aec@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:50:12 -0800 To: jeremy bispo From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: Fuck Sober Raving Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971124165902.8694.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk To Jeremy and everyone else who has sent me similar replies: Yes, the opinions I was looking for ARE the ones I'm reading...However, when it is the same opinion regurgitated fifty thousand times, it gets a little old. That was the point I'm trying to make. I also did not necessarily mean Fuck Sober Raving itself, I meant fuck the topic of sober raving. The point was that the same topic for days and days and days gets old. And I don't need another 50 e-mails bitching at me. I'm just restating my point since most didn't get it! I would also like to publicly thank all those who e-mailed me privately saying they agreed with me. VespaRaver At 08:59 AM 11/24/97 -0800, you wrote: > >A question for Vespa... rn't those opinions u were >looking for tha same ones u've been reading...yes >everyone has a opinion...thats why there have been so >many posts about sober ravin....next time...as Lara >said click delete...love~jeremy > > >=== > >~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ > > > > > >---VespaRaver wrote: >> >> I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving >bull shit! What is the >> fucking point of going on and on about it for days >and days and days?!? I >> signed onto this list to here people talk about >raving and to get different >> opinions and perspectives on different things. >What I did NOT sign up for >> this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of >people arguing back and forth >> over the same damn thing! You people need to get >over it! It's not >> interesting anymore! >> VespaRaver =( >> >> >> ================================================= >> ************************************************* >> "One in three must find some peace." >> ************************************************* >> ================================================= >> > >__________________________________________________________________ > > > ================================================= ************************************************* "One in three must find some peace." ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 22:51:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3402 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 22:51:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 3394 invoked by uid 24); 24 Nov 1997 22:51:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 1006 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 19:36:30 -0000 Received: from catnet.winternet.com (HELO squeaker.cat.net) (199.199.125.39) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 19:36:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (syadasti@localhost) by squeaker.cat.net (Hermetic/HenryGray) with SMTP id LAA31809 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:00:04 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:00:04 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Gogulski To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Chaos Theory review Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I don't know if DRC is on this list, so if she's not, would someone with access to her be so kind as to pass this along? This is an excerpt of a review of Chaos Theory in Minneapolis last night, posted to mw-raves. Peace, Mike -- Mike Gogulski , Email 2-way page: pagemike@cat.net, 1209909@skytel.com, +1800SKYTEL2 1209909 Finger syadasti@cat.net for PGP public key ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:47:18 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Gogulski To: Craig Paulnock Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Chaos review? Briefly... got about 5 hours of sleep from 7AM-noon, dunno why I'm awake at 12:30am Sunday... DRC. Let me just say that I've been privileged to hear some of the best trance DJs on the planet spin, and I thought I'd seen it all. This was one of the most intense and beautifully orchestrated hardtrance sets I've ever heard. Her sound and her flow were unbelievably consistent, and her track selection was damn near flawless. The last track, with kind of a jazzy synth line over rocking trance beats, the glorious oom-pah sound, and crisp cymbals just totally did me in. I could have died at 6:30 AM having lived a complete and happy life. Nothing short of phenomenal. JT came on after that with house leading into progressive house, which I might have gotten into were it not for the growing consciousness of the pain I was in, resulting from the punishment I inflicted upon myself during DRC's set. Had to leave. All in all, I could have done without the double-D madness and Arjay, but received way more than my $18-worth during DRC's set. Peace, Mike -- Mike Gogulski , Email 2-way page: pagemike@cat.net, 1209909@skytel.com, +1800SKYTEL2 1209909 Finger syadasti@cat.net for PGP public key From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 23:23:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11177 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 23:23:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 11151 invoked by uid 24); 24 Nov 1997 23:23:15 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971124150803.008d4240@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:08:03 -0800 To: Michael Standish , astral matrix , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: Slobber raving In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 07:03 PM 11/23/97 -0800, Michael Standish wrote: >At 6:46 PM -0800 11/23/97, astral matrix wrote: >>when's the rave at Oakland Statium gonna happen? > >It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' New >Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox TV, >Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and a >shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are shooting an >episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out >on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum and >all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all over >the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. I very >nearly puked, when I saw the flyer. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, >but it looks as if the rave scene has finally gone wholly and completely to >shit. Actually, I heard it was to film an X-Files episode; aliens are using massive all-night parties to communicate their messages to the nation's young, in preparation for the invasion. But don't worry, these are the "good" aliens, the greys, whereas the face-hugging "bad" aliens are the ones selling all the bunk E. Oh yeah, and in a surprise twist ending, it turns out Keoki is really Mulder's sister. No shit! Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig brian@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 23:34:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15582 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 23:34:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 15542 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 23:34:55 -0000 Received: from mrin46.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin46.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.156) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 23:34:55 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA09550; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:34:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:34:27 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971124183426_106792969@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: ptrrabbt@cats.ucsc.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: my shpiel (sp?) : -P Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/24/97 1:15:17 PM, you wrote: <> WOW This is a BIG-*ss can of worms.... but a nice one at that :) RESPECT for me is knowing that there are other people out there who can complement my shortcomings, and help me to learn how to be the most complete me I can be. And hopefully, they will respect me enough to let me do the same for them. Cuz nobody loses the race if we all finish together :)) luv n hugs, natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 23:35:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16176 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 23:35:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 16165 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 23:35:53 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 23:35:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 9071 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 23:39:39 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 23:39:39 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971124153347.00b6fbd4@sacraves.org> X-Sender: solr@sacraves.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:33:47 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: NRR - Re: Sober raving In-Reply-To: References: <01bcf876$73ea5e20$6156dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 06:05 PM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >>I believe people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it is >>not >>directly harming someone else. > >When does this apply? can a 6 year old make this decision, how about an 11 >year old...13? Or any age it doesn;t matter? ***** furthermore, what about indirectly harming/affecting someone? how about the environment. dumping an old car battery in a ditch, may not be landing on someone and directly harming them... but what about the long term effects/damage done to future generations, some kid stumbling accross it, broken and leaking? some decisions cannot be left up to them to decide.. how about choosing chocolate to eat instead of fruits and vegtables... youget a chunky, hyper kid, instead of starting them out with nutrition and good habits... >I love these personal anecdotes. I can only wonder how many others have >never made it home because they were too fucked up. How many teen girls >have been raped after all night drinking in TJ, Mexico, how many girls & >boys have been taken adavntage of. I would call you lucky. **** good point John. >>stop once you reach a certain age. (although in some people i have met it >>seems like it did *giggling*) **** because it probably did. how can you possibly say you are no different since you have taken drugs? you certainly can't go back and *not* take them. what if the few/or many drugs you have taken, have kept you from pursuing a mental direction, and finding out you were able to use 90% of your brain... two months ago. you will never know. that's not to say it can't happen still... but what if you threw away that chance the first time you took a drug? oh well... >all. You do not continue to grow, you reach a max hieght and begin >withering into old age. **** i hope that's not 25. >all too bad now does it. Whether it be self-imposed or not. I'm sure in >retrospect many would have gladly wanted that instead of being expelled due >to piss poor grades, but great party times. **** perhaps what they neglected to remember, was that there are responsiblities that must be attended to.. especially if you choose to spend a lot of free time doing something as exausting as raving. wether you take drugs or not... staying up until morning.. or coming down off of drugs... instead of studying for a test.. or doing homework will only lead to distaster. why did they neglect those responsibilities?... maybe they didn't know any better.. because they didn't have the experience to know there are more important things _for life_ than what you *want* to do right now. [a thread byroni and i explored a bit back] >>mistakes in order to learn from them. I don't think just because someone is >>underage means that they will make bad decisions. *** they *are* more likely to though. >is a matter of years of experience and trial and error. The longer you do >it, the better you become at it. a 16 year old is just beginning to make >life altering decsions. And the longer they do that, the better they >become at making them. Practice makes perfect. this does not negate the **** once again.. you have to have time to make mistakes.. and then learn from them... replay them in your head.. after you have made your decision.... to decide if it *really* was the right one.. and to take in the full awfulness of a wrong decision, including the total inability to go back and change it.... >And at what age can this safely be done. 18 sounds very fair to me. *** >behind the back fence, 2 curious 14 yr olds> what time is it?. hurry up, johnny, we gotta take these pot cigarettes before midnight... my dad is going to be pissed if i'm home late. when are you going to stop them? after curfew? going to patrol behind the gym at school? good luck. i would suggest keeping them informed..and suggesting.. they are going to look at the playboy channel when you are in the other room...and they are going to experience everything they have a desire to, in their own time. keep on the level with them.. and they may just respect you enough to keep you informed of their feelings [and actions] on the subject. which is [IMHO] essential... communication between you and your children.. especially in that 10 year range.. they have questions... answer them. don't decide they aren't ready. keep close to them, so they can ask when they want to know... they will. peace. -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 23:40:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17514 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 23:40:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 17499 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 23:40:08 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 23:40:08 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-28.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.28]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA12369 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:40:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347A1185.408F@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:45:09 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Aliens ravers (was Re: Slobber raving) References: <3.0.3.32.19971124150803.008d4240@hyperreal.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > Actually, I heard it was to film an X-Files episode; aliens are using > massive all-night parties to communicate their messages to the nation's > young, in preparation for the invasion. But don't worry, these are the > "good" aliens, the greys, whereas the face-hugging "bad" aliens are the > ones selling all the bunk E. Oh yeah, and in a surprise twist ending, it > turns out Keoki is really Mulder's sister. No shit! > perhaps you dont watch the outer limits. A few weeks ago they had this episode where this strange music was being sent to earth and it made teenagers so blissful and they want to stay up all night dancing. The military tried to stop this invasion by destroying the music but these dang rave things kept popping up all over and spreading this music. turns out the music triggered some kind of mutation that made peoples skin turn iridescent and glittery. Their hair fell out and they grew these big bug eyes. the sun was shifting from hydrogen to helium and these mutations were the only protection from this new sun, everyone else had to stay inside for the rest of there lives. And by the way there is new scientific evidence showing that our sun is actually doing this and that the sun has lost its magnetic poles. this is affecting the earth poles which can be checked with a compass if you dont believe me. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 23:42:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19299 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 23:42:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 19290 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 23:42:43 -0000 Received: from mail.kmd-arch.com (205.227.254.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 23:42:43 -0000 Received: by mail.kmd-arch.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:47:05 -0800 Message-ID: <813DAFD97A07D1118F4100A024978E2704C607@mail.kmd-arch.com> From: "Thomas, Cassandra" To: fish1111@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: Aliens ravers (was Re: Slobber raving) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:47:04 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk reminds me of childhood's end...the book by arthur c. clarke where by the end all the children evolved and left earth to become part of this giant consciousness > ---------- > From: fish1111@pacbell.net[SMTP:fish1111@pacbell.net] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 1997 3:45 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Aliens ravers (was Re: Slobber raving) > > Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > > > > Actually, I heard it was to film an X-Files episode; aliens are > using > > massive all-night parties to communicate their messages to the > nation's > > young, in preparation for the invasion. But don't worry, these are > the > > "good" aliens, the greys, whereas the face-hugging "bad" aliens are > the > > ones selling all the bunk E. Oh yeah, and in a surprise twist > ending, it > > turns out Keoki is really Mulder's sister. No shit! > > > > perhaps you dont watch the outer limits. > > A few weeks ago they had this episode where this strange music > was being sent to earth and it made teenagers so blissful and they > want to stay up all night dancing. The military tried to stop > this invasion by destroying the music but these dang rave things > kept popping up all over and spreading this music. > > turns out the music triggered some kind of mutation that made > peoples skin turn iridescent and glittery. Their hair fell out > and they grew these big bug eyes. > > the sun was shifting from hydrogen to helium and these mutations > were the only protection from this new sun, everyone else had to > stay inside for the rest of there lives. > > And by the way there is new scientific evidence showing that > our sun is actually doing this and that the sun has lost > its magnetic poles. this is affecting the earth poles > which can be checked with a compass if you dont believe me. > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 00:02:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26258 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 00:02:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 26240 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 00:02:46 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 00:02:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 10340 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 00:06:32 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 00:06:32 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971124160043.00b73cf8@sacraves.org> X-Sender: solr@sacraves.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:00:43 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: NRR - Re: Sober raving In-Reply-To: <971124035416_1537522968@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk having checked this thread monday morning... i would like to apologize to anyone i may have aggravated due to my posting to this thread. although... vespa... just what *would* you like to talk about? you can start a new *more relavant* thread any time you like... or should *we* think of something else to amuse you?... in other words... chill bro, asking nicely will do just as well. peace, -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 00:15:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 565 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 00:15:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 543 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 00:15:51 -0000 Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (207.212.140.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 00:15:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 10909 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 00:19:27 -0000 Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com (207.212.140.200) by kerouac.deepwell.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 00:19:27 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971124161338.00b731dc@sacraves.org> X-Sender: solr@sacraves.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:13:38 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: SolR Subject: Re: Does anyone know anything about heart conditions? In-Reply-To: <34798C1A.3D6E@value.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Vespa... should we stop *this* thread before it get's started? Or maybe we should suggest he goes raving with his father, and writes a review. No offense James. I wish you and your father the best. I don't have a similar experience to draw upon... peace, -SolR From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 00:18:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1963 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 00:18:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 1951 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 00:18:00 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 00:18:00 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09099; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:27:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA07927; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:11:43 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:20:28 -0800 To: VespaRaver From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: Re: gurgitated posts (was: Frick Sober Raving) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Re: gurgitated posts (was : Frick Sober Raving) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >.However, when it is >the same opinion regurgitated fifty thousand times, it gets a little old. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I think Vespa has a very good point here. Here's what happens: Smiley Candyraver comes to his computer after being out partying all weekend. He logs on, dumps 75 messages into his In box. The first post is about Smoking Crack at Raves. So Smiley replies instantly, without reading the other 74 messages in his box. He posts, saying, "Crack sucks! My Mom used to smoke crack and now she's Upstate doing 20 for B & E!" Then he opens the other 74 messages and realizes that 50% of the people on the list have already expressed similar sentiments. The solution: Smiley C. should have taken a deep breath, blazed up a twentyrock, relaxed and read ALL the posts before he responded! Or, more importantly, he should have read all the Posts that said ("Re: Smoking Crack A Raves") and decided which messages should be flamed, amended or added to. It really is important to get the full scope of the thread. Smiley ends up looking like a big smiley dorkface because he just repeated what 74 other people said before him. And who wants to be a big smiley dorkface. And Smiley should never say "Me too!" That's just dorky. allrighty then. :o}{-= b))merang >To Jeremy and everyone else who has sent me similar replies: Yes, the >opinions I was looking for ARE the ones I'm reading...However, when it is >the same opinion regurgitated fifty thousand times, it gets a little old. >That was the point I'm trying to make. I also did not necessarily mean >Fuck Sober Raving itself, I meant fuck the topic of sober raving. The >point was that the same topic for days and days and days gets old. And I >don't need another 50 e-mails bitching at me. I'm just restating my point >since most didn't get it! I would also like to publicly thank all those >who e-mailed me privately saying they agreed with me. > VespaRaver > > >At 08:59 AM 11/24/97 -0800, you wrote: >> >>A question for Vespa... rn't those opinions u were >>looking for tha same ones u've been reading...yes >>everyone has a opinion...thats why there have been so >>many posts about sober ravin....next time...as Lara >>said click delete...love~jeremy >> >> >>=== >> >>~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ >> >> >> >> >> >>---VespaRaver wrote: >>> >>> I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving >>bull shit! What is the >>> fucking point of going on and on about it for days >>and days and days?!? I >>> signed onto this list to here people talk about >>raving and to get different >>> opinions and perspectives on different things. >>What I did NOT sign up for >>> this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of >>people arguing back and forth >>> over the same damn thing! You people need to get >>over it! It's not >>> interesting anymore! >>> VespaRaver =( >>> >>> >>> ================================================= >>> ************************************************* >>> "One in three must find some peace." >>> ************************************************* >>> ================================================= >>> >> >>__________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> > > >================================================= >************************************************* > "One in three must find some peace." >************************************************* >================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 00:27:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4201 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 00:27:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 4193 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 00:27:14 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 00:27:14 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id QAA16552; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:27:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id QAA01515; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:27:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:27:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: terry estioko cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: San Diego In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Always happy to yield to a professional. ;) On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, terry estioko wrote: > > mmh hhmmph!! Step aside Randy I'll take care of this thank you very much....=) > > -T > > > > Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 00:46:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8542 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 00:46:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 8531 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 00:46:22 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 00:46:22 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.197.165]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA53; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:45:13 -0800 Reply-To: "Mohan Veloo" From: "Mohan Veloo" To: , "llevi Butterfield" Subject: Re: Slobber raving - Enit Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:01:13 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf935$3eef8a00$0100007f@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Markie, and then Tony ... Mohan FTT -----Original Message----- From: llevi Butterfield To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, November 24, 1997 2:16 PM Subject: Re: Slobber raving - Enit At 06:46 PM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >the enit festival was grand- markie and tony renewed my faith in Thee >Church of Thee Four on Thee Floor. Ho lord, the Enit Festival was something else. The music, the decorations, the different styles were EVERYWHERE. The whole time it was incredible. My face is still cramped up from non-stop smiles all night. Does anyone know who was spinning when it ended? And right when Janes finished? I can't figgure it out, people from the FTT I'm sure....but who? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 01:27:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18235 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 01:27:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18133 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 01:26:59 -0000 Received: from f29.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.40) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 01:26:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 22305 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 01:26:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125012632.22304.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.114.152.170 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:26:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.114.152.170] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: "Spirit" Meeting place? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:26:32 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Any suggestions for an SFraves meeting time and place at "Spirit"? -Matt- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 01:30:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19712 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 01:30:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 19703 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 01:30:19 -0000 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.119) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 01:30:19 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id RAA04917; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:30:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:30:18 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: LA Underground... To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk One of the most interesting things about the LA scene vs. the SF scene is that down here there really isn't an "underground" per se. It's all pretty much just gradients of the same scene. True there are smaller house parties and such, but those tend to be chance happenings and gatherings of DJs and promoters who happen to know each other, or folks from the SCR list. Most folks I know on SCR who have gone to SF complain aboutthe SF scene. They talk about how it's all fashion and cliques and big huge parties with no vibe. I think this is because they wind up at the more "mainstream" "above ground" SF parties and not at the UG parties that we SFR folks enjoy so much. However, there are a few of us down here that are trying to pull together more intimate, more familial happy good vibe parties. Some of my partners down here and I have put together a little Friday night weekly where we're going to try to get away from that Big LA feel and keep things a little more real and down home. Another buddy of mine is organizing a cabin party for the SoCal-Raves list folks (aka SCRubbers). So there are good UG/DIY things going on in LA, it's just hard to keep them going. :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 01:31:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20255 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 01:30:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 20247 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 01:30:57 -0000 Received: from mail1.sirius.com (205.134.253.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 01:30:57 -0000 Received: from [205.134.227.12] (ppp-asft01--012.sirius.net [205.134.227.12]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id RAA04794; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:30:50 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: standish@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971124194838.16462.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:31:01 -0800 To: jeremy bispo , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Michael Standish Subject: Re: Slobber raving Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Quoth jeremy bispo: >Michael don't u spin at parties wit bouncie walk >ways... and two main rooms... a ambient room and a >chill room.... or am i wrong?....~jeremy Damn right I do. I like big parties. The sound systems are phat, my set starts on time with no hassle, and best of all the kids at big raves have hella stylee clothes. In fact, I'm spinning at such a party this Friday. Although, unless Vlad is keeping secrets, there will be no bouncy castle a Spirit. :( Ulrich standish@sirius.com "... how can you not blow a whistle?? It unites us in one big TWEEEEET!" (TeKnODiVa,1997) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 01:35:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21189 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 01:35:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 21173 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 01:35:26 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys04.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS04) (207.68.152.41) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 01:35:26 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR04 - 207.68.143.160 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:28:06 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.34.25.84 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:27:07 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: "jeremy bispo" , "VespaRaver" Cc: "funkateers" Subject: Some Things Never Change Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:33:50 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <0a80a07270119b7UPIMSSMTPUSR04@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Damn I missed you guys! I've been deleting hundreds of unread posts for months now because I couldn't keep up with all the traffic on the list. I finally started reading posts again, and you know what? You guys never change! Everything is just the same as before! I love it! Same old shit regurgitated. Has it always been like this? VespaRaver, hon, you have three choices: 1. curse under your breath while deleting all those damn asinine posts and miss out on all the action (baby, this shit is better than any episode of Jerry Springer) 2. say "fuck it" and contribute to the posting madness like most of us do (whether we admit it or not) or 3. unsubscribe or set up a filter (the wimpy options). Long Live SFRaves and all its bullshit, because beneath it all there is a point. We all deserve a chance to bitch and moan, or post warm fuzzies. :-) I missed you guys! xoxo--Miccaela -----Original Message----- From: VespaRaver To: jeremy bispo Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, November 24, 1997 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Fuck Sober Raving >To Jeremy and everyone else who has sent me similar replies: Yes, the >opinions I was looking for ARE the ones I'm reading...However, when it is >the same opinion regurgitated fifty thousand times, it gets a little old. >That was the point I'm trying to make. I also did not necessarily mean >Fuck Sober Raving itself, I meant fuck the topic of sober raving. The >point was that the same topic for days and days and days gets old. And I >don't need another 50 e-mails bitching at me. I'm just restating my point >since most didn't get it! I would also like to publicly thank all those >who e-mailed me privately saying they agreed with me. > VespaRaver From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 02:22:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2076 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 02:22:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 2057 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 02:21:59 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 02:21:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (andy@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA04886 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:22:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:22:08 -0800 (PST) From: AndyW X-Sender: andy@atari Reply-To: AndyW To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Snowboarding Review [NRR] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk For all those who had a big thang for snowboarding, we got some of the folks together and decided to head to Heavenly to plant our butts on the pathetic excuse for snow to be found there. Li, Herb, Marcus, Caryn, Dan and I hopped in two Hondas and headed for the hills at 6:00am Saturday morning (Herb hadn't even slept since getting home from Love a couple minutes prior.. how hardcore is that, eh?). Well... The mountains are too far away. This sucks, but the drive was nice on account of some conversation with a fellow moron who decided to relive moments from old parties, thought about new ones, and discussed what to do with the future of our own events... one of those BIG discussions that you really hope does something. I didn't have a board I could get to (my REALLY old and crusty Burton is locked away at a non 24 hour access storage space), so when we got there I had to rent (I've never used those Switch clip in boots and binding before, very trippy, but you can put them on while on the lift and just go straight down instead of sitting there in the snow fumbling with your warm mittens and cold bindings). I used to rent on the mountain out of convenience, but $35 at Heavenly was a ripoff I was most reluctant to pay... but did. $30 buck for the lift ticket, $5 for two oil cans of Fosters, and we're up the hill. Getting off the lift without a binding to slam my boot against was weird (I later learned the click in while on the chair trick), but I somehow managed to stay almost vertical getting off the lift... about two more runs (and twenty something bails) and I got my groove on, at first taking up the whole damn hill and then finally turning whenever I damn well felt like it, even getting a couple good bonks in and a futile attempt at airtime (I think I lack the guts required for this brand of entertainment). At that point, we got a little bit more chilled (puff puff guzzle guzzle), and got in some really nice grazers down the hill, lost the rest of my group (ah, solitude on a plank with a hill full of snow :), and had a great day. "It's really beautiful up here" I caught myself saying over and over... no day glo, no blacklights, no boomin bass (did meet one guy who spins from South Lake Tahoe with an Electric Skychurch sticker on his board though)... lifts are the nicest way to meet people. The snow was fake, grainy and slushy as the day grew late, but it was really nice to join some friends for a couple attempts at snowplay, all the boys and girls looked great in their new high fashion snowgarb, and honestly I had buku fun. Snowboards amounted to over half the population, and I only got gored by one skiers pole as he bailed going off the lift and tried to grab my pants to stay up... what a schmuck (and no, I won't hold that sick, violent act against all skiers, just ones with poles ;). Later, we had pizza and donated some money to the evil casinos (a tax for people who are bad at statistics, but Li did win like $10.50 with his very spiritual/mental quarter slots style), and finally went home, just as some snow started to fall on our caravan. I played just enough to get my "free beverage" and gave up. Yes, I am cheap, especially after paying $65 just for board, boots and lift ticket. Sunday, I was utterly useless. My muscles are still in pretty severe pain. Ouch. Waiting for details on a cabin trip... eagerly (I'll bring sound...). Mmmm, AndyW From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 02:29:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3250 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 02:29:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 3242 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 02:29:37 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 02:29:37 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26835; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:39:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971124141218.00b646f4@sacraves.org> References: <3.0.1.32.19971122223112.007237a0@ng.netgate.net> <3.0.32.19971119201711.007502bc@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:31:00 -0800 To: SolR From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: Sober raving Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 2:12 PM -0800 11/24/97, SolR wrote: >At 10:13 AM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >>adressing the fact that children cannot and often do not have the >>information to make informed decisions. Nothing you have said has changed >>that basic fact. Children still do not raise thier parents, and often >>enough children cannot take care of themselves when no resources are >>available (they will ususally fall prey to all kinds of nonsense when left >>to thier opwn druthers). >**** >hear, hear. although there *is* a lot of learning a new parent does.. or >any parent for that matter with a child around. They may not raise thier >parents in that sense of the word, however, they are cetain to raise thier >consiousness on many levels.. there are a million new things to pay >attention to, and many things *anyone* can learn from a child. Right on! > >>through making mistakes what your limits and capabilities are. There is no >>need to experiment with drugs to find out these limits. There are other >>ways to get the information you need without being scared straight. >**** >although, experimenting with drugs is one of the limits that will be >explored. there are far too many limits to take drugs everytime you want >to find out what they are.. likewise, you need to have a referance for >both... you should know how to swim before trying to swim on acid. you >should take acid on the ground, before taking acid and going swimming. >most people know this sort of thing.. and by the time they are >experiementing with drugs, they usually have enough forknowledge to >participate with some level of safety. this may be where telling [or >sharing with] them your experiences is incredibly important. 100% on that one and well said. > >>>Let this >>>happen earlier and kids will learn more. You wrecked the car? You pay for >>>it with lawn-mowing money or a shift at Mickey D's. Etc. >> >>Agreed. >**** >hehheh.. like i said before.. i agree as well. > >>Children, not guided by adults is wrong. Children not having a loving home >>is wrong. Children not having a supprotive family is wrong. Families who >>could care leess about the children they bring into the world is wrong. >*** >hear, hear. i dig these new commercials on the radio i hear where one guy >is saying "come on, man let's hang around for another game" the response >"no, i have to get home to my new baby." - responsiblility... right on. > >>parties. Frying your developing brain at 15 is one thing, doing it at 26 >>is another. Age sometimes can make all the difference between success & >***** >they are going to start when they friggin want to. there isn't much you can >do, but keep your children informed. and the best way to do that is tell >them what you know, and where to find out more information. at 15, >hopefully they will spend more time figureing out what they would be >taking, than taking it. > >peace, >-SolR Much knowledge and peace to you, John "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 02:30:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3926 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 02:30:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 3917 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 02:30:53 -0000 Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.184.79) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 02:30:53 -0000 Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner.concentric.net [206.173.119.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(97/11/17 5.8)) id VAA19786; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:30:52 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id VAA07937; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:30:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:30:51 -0500 (EST) From: LAKSMI To: AndyW cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Snowboarding Review [NRR] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Whaaatt!!!! And you didn't come by MY house for tea and cakes...hmmpff!!! Hey, it's only November, the snow doesn't start getting "fresh" until late December.... so, don't get discouraged yet, get yer' crusty ol' Burton out of storage, wax it up, pray for snow and give this poor ol' dancingfreakturnedmountainwoman a call next time any of you decide to go riding in these hills!!!! *********************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forests, go naked in the summertime that you regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. J.W. Parsons *********************************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 02:40:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6633 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 02:39:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 6625 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 02:39:56 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 02:39:56 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26895; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:49:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971124035416_1537522968@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:41:23 -0800 To: Jello15M@aol.com From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: Sober raving Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 3:54 AM -0500 11/24/97, Jello15M@aol.com wrote: >I rarely say anything on this board because I rarely read my 2 million pieces >of mail, but I chose to read this line of messages because I usually rave >sober. They're kind of pissing me off, though. It seems as if you, John S. >Lee, can usually defend your arguments, which while may be vaild, I do not >agree with. However, when you encounter one that you cannot defend with >evidance, you set out to attack the person who offered the opinion contrary >to yours: Here we go again.... > >>And you are, despite your beleif in your immortality, quite >capable of >being taken advangtage of due to lack of life >experience. > >What's the purpose of "despite your beleif in your immortality?" Re-read the thread then re-ask the question if necessary. > >>Neither do the voluminous heroin overdoses, GHB deaths, E >hospitilizations, >alcohol realted deaths. > >Perhaps you would share the numbers? No need, they are there for the grabbing. Heroin use is up, Od's are up. check your local Emergency ward for details. Check CDC. There are dozens of sources, and I do not have the time to go into each of them. Time surverys, emergency room stats, LEO (law enforcement officers). The truth is out there. > >>There is a point where the brain stops it formation. > >as I recall the age at which your brain stops growing is 13 > >>And at what age can this safely be done. 18 sounds very fair >to me. > >Why 18? Why not? > >Perhaps it is time to end this thread, Mr. Lee. This is the cyclic nonsense that goes on this list from time to time. A conversation has ensued, and there is a vocal group of folx who hate to have anything more than 3 messages in their mailbox at a time. Then they yell and scream about certain threads and how useless they are all the while adding to the thread they dislike? I don't get the logic here. There would have been one less message if you had said nothing or replied to me privately. Instead you decided that the thread was dumb *but* what *you* had to say was important enough to continue th thread? School me and tell me the logic behind this particular rationale. > Your opinion will be >accepted by very few on this board and the ongoing argument should be proof >to that. So says you. The point here is not to be accepted, after all this isn;t high school. The point is an exchange of ideas. I am satisfied that I have done that and have not complained about the noise (that is what filters are for). The only proof of anything is that you have had a reaction to the conversation, so obviously there is still some merit to the conversation. You don't have to participate, use your own discretion. > I apologize to all you cool ravers that don't want to deal with >this bull... you're right this is not the prurpose of the board at all! this is not a baord it is a list. The purpose of the list is to exchange ideas about raving and all that is raving. I am not down with kids going to raves. That in itself is rave related. Sorry that my ideas do not jibe with you or others, but it is just my opinion, just like your opinion of my opinion. This has been very on topic and stayed on topic. Oh well, you can always reply to this message and indicate how useless it is...to all 450 people on the list. Geez. "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 02:44:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8034 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 02:44:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 8024 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 02:44:46 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 02:44:46 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.151 (XYP5-PORT1.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQECD3UPMC9EDKJX@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:44:40 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:56:43 -0800 From: dOpE Subject: Re: "Spirit" Meeting place? To: Matt Schwartz Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <32990AEB.386D@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19971125012632.22304.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk uh...hmm...i dunno about setting meeting places all the time because..ya know...well, last time at htm it didn't happen. *hmph* i will describe to you what i will be wearing as soon as i find out. i will try to have some sort of distinguishing feature like 'hey, there's the girl with the tide box on her head! it must be doreen!! now i must go and say hi' now lemme think of something creative like that. and anybody else who wants to follow my lead...by all means. we should each think up something and find eachother like a hunt. it sorta happens that way anyway. -doreen From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 02:48:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9166 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 02:48:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 9155 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 02:48:23 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 02:48:23 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.151 (XYP5-PORT1.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQECHCWI929EDKJX@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:48:06 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:00:09 -0800 From: dOpE Subject: Re: Some Things Never Change To: "Vanessa & Miccaela VespaRaver" Cc: jeremy bispo , funkateers Message-id: <32990BB9.463A@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <0a80a07270119b7UPIMSSMTPUSR04@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yay!! woo hoo! i have to agree. although i am sort of sick of filtering through 50+ messages a day, i don't want anybody to stop giving their input to the list. just because you aren't a part of the thread, doesn't mean you have to get pissed. ok, now i hope you didn't just get pissed at me. -doreen. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 02:56:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11073 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 02:56:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 11064 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 02:56:39 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 02:56:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA10461; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:54:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:54:39 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: dOpE cc: Matt Schwartz , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: "Spirit" Meeting place? In-Reply-To: <32990AEB.386D@sonoma.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk well all of you are gonna be in front of the decks for vertigo deepfog boomerang macadioµn anyone else??? RIGHT?!??!??! coz that's where i'll be. reprazentin tha SFR talent that we all know and love. all decked out in.. whatever i feel like wearing. and a sm:)e~ On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, dOpE wrote: > uh...hmm...i dunno about setting meeting places all the time > because..ya know...well, last time at htm it didn't happen. *hmph* i > will describe to you what i will be wearing as soon as i find out. i > will try to have some sort of distinguishing feature like 'hey, > there's the girl with the tide box on her head! it must be doreen!! > now i must go and say hi' > > now lemme think of something creative like that. and anybody else who > wants to follow my lead...by all means. we should each think up > something and find eachother like a hunt. it sorta happens that way > anyway. > > -doreen > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 03:02:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13605 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 03:02:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 13594 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 03:02:06 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 03:02:06 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.151 (XYP5-PORT1.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQECYGG5669EDKJX@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:01:52 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:13:56 -0800 From: dOpE Subject: Re: "Spirit" Meeting place? To: "lara at vibe.org" Cc: Matt Schwartz , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <32990EF4.703E@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk lara, get on irc ya hellraisr!! woo hoo -dor From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 03:04:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14788 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 03:04:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 14780 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 03:04:52 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 03:04:52 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.151 (XYP5-PORT1.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQED22D70C9EDKJX@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:04:47 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:16:51 -0800 From: dOpE Subject: Re: "Spirit" Meeting place? To: "lara at vibe.org" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <32990FA3.5749@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk uh... i meant ot his Re: Mail, not RE: All. sorry folx -doreen. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 03:09:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15702 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 03:09:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 15694 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 03:09:47 -0000 Received: from f21.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.32) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 03:09:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 14028 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 03:09:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125030918.14024.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:09:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:09:16 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I came on to the list as a newbie into the scene and didn't understand much. As I stayed on longer and longer, I realized it was a great place to learn about many things *even though it shouldn't be according to hyperreal's first "intentions"* I think that if I hadn't joined, I wouldn't have had the priveledge of evolving into The SLinky Guy, I wouldn't have met persons a-z and back from z-a, I wouldn't have learned so much about myself etc. etc. Most importantly, I wouldn't have learned about staying sober. You may not see this through one individual's posts, but there are many people on the list that care. They can't really do anything about influencing your actions. *You* are the person that *you* are responsible for and all they can say is they care and thay might witness you heading towards hell, but one can only learn if their heart is in the right place. Then they wont fuck sober raving. That is such a harsh thing to say as well, "Fuck sober raving" One might say "fuck work," or "fuck life" which would lead to saying "fuck sober raving" I say "fuck niccotine, it's controlled me for a long time, so fuck it," or I say "fuck that," while not having anything in specific that would be fucked by me. I can also say that I have been "fucked over, fucked up, fucked by the law, fucked by El nino, fucked up, and fucked up." I'm done with all those fucks eccept for "fuck sober raving" If you had said "make love to sober raving," then we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Last thoughts Learn from the list, don't bash it. The biggest word that I have learned to know recently is *accept* Accept the things in life that you can't change, and understand the things in life that you can change, and change them. Make love to the rain, :P Danny >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 20:42:52 1997 >Received: (qmail 7421 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 04:42:46 -0000 >Received: (qmail 7402 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 04:42:44 -0000 >Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 04:42:44 -0000 >Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) > by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA27722 > for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:42:41 -0800 (PST) >Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971123204357.0069e49c@sfsu.edu> >X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) >Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:43:57 -0800 >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >From: VespaRaver >Subject: Fuck Sober Raving >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! What is the >fucking point of going on and on about it for days and days and days?!? I >signed onto this list to here people talk about raving and to get different >opinions and perspectives on different things. What I did NOT sign up for >this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of people arguing back and forth >over the same damn thing! You people need to get over it! It's not >interesting anymore! > VespaRaver =( > > >================================================= >************************************************* > "One in three must find some peace." >************************************************* >================================================= > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 03:13:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17282 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 03:13:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 17274 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 03:13:53 -0000 Received: from f42.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 03:13:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 22679 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 03:13:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125031326.22678.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:13:24 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:13:24 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I came on to the list as a newbie into the scene and didn't understand much. As I stayed on longer and longer, I realized it was a great place to learn about many things *even though it shouldn't be according to hyperreal's first "intentions"* I think that if I hadn't joined, I wouldn't have had the priveledge of evolving into The SLinky Guy, I wouldn't have met persons a-z and back from z-a, I wouldn't have learned so much about myself etc. etc. Most importantly, I wouldn't have learned about staying sober. You may not see this through one individual's posts, but there are many people on the list that care. They can't really do anything about influencing your actions. *You* are the person that *you* are responsible for and all they can say is they care and thay might witness you heading towards hell, but one can only learn if their heart is in the right place. Then they wont fuck sober raving. That is such a harsh thing to say as well, "Fuck sober raving" One might say "fuck work," or "fuck life" which would lead to saying "fuck sober raving" I say "fuck niccotine, it's controlled me for a long time, so fuck it," or I say "fuck that," while not having anything in specific that would be fucked by me. I can also say that I have been "fucked over, fucked up, fucked by the law, fucked by El nino, fucked up, and fucked up." I'm done with all those fucks eccept for "fuck sober raving" If you had said "make love to sober raving," then we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Last thoughts Learn from the list, don't bash it. The biggest word that I have learned to know recently is *accept* Accept the things in life that you can't change, and understand the things in life that you can change, and change them. Make love to the rain, :P Danny >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 20:42:52 1997 >Received: (qmail 7421 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 04:42:46 -0000 >Received: (qmail 7402 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 04:42:44 -0000 >Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 04:42:44 -0000 >Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) > by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA27722 > for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:42:41 -0800 (PST) >Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971123204357.0069e49c@sfsu.edu> >X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) >Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:43:57 -0800 >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >From: VespaRaver >Subject: Fuck Sober Raving >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! What is the >fucking point of going on and on about it for days and days and days?!? I >signed onto this list to here people talk about raving and to get different >opinions and perspectives on different things. What I did NOT sign up for >this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of people arguing back and forth >over the same damn thing! You people need to get over it! It's not >interesting anymore! > VespaRaver =( > > >================================================= >************************************************* > "One in three must find some peace." >************************************************* >================================================= > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 03:36:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24769 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 03:36:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 24761 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 03:36:47 -0000 Received: from f54.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.65) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 03:36:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 7578 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 03:36:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125033619.7577.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.186 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:36:19 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.186] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ptrrabbt@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Re: my shpiel (sp?) : -P Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:36:19 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >I have an idea. > >what does respect( to others on this list ) mean to all of you? > repect to me mans listening and understanding someone even when there views and opinions are different than yours.. respect is shomething you show someone how You want to be treated.. respect others and you will be respected in return... repect your enemies.. respect those that will never respect you, that is your greatest weapon.. a lot of these "college jocks" that i live with always make fun of each other....but they Never make fun of me... they say i have "jedi powers.." my secret is showing them respect, therfore they feel not the need to poke fun at me.. im above that... peace Philip Disordr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 03:55:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29785 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 03:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 29770 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 03:55:00 -0000 Received: from f109.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.228) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 03:55:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 17151 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 03:54:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125035431.17150.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.186 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:54:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.186] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, fish1111@pacbell.net Subject: Re: Aliens ravers (was Re: Slobber raving) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:54:31 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >And by the way there is new scientific evidence showing that >our sun is actually doing this and that the sun has lost >its magnetic poles. this is affecting the earth poles >which can be checked with a compass if you dont believe me. > > ><{{{"> <"}}}>< > > foolish fish > our planets magnetic poles are alway in flux.. they have been changing since the dawn of our planet.. now if we could only harness it into a huge ginormous bass tube :) hehehe peace Philip disordr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 04:22:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7207 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 04:22:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 7199 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 04:22:53 -0000 Received: from mrin47.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin47.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.157) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 04:22:53 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin47.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA05583 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:22:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:22:25 -0500 (EST) From: CheerioHN@aol.com Message-ID: <971124232224_-758628265@mrin47> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Help me on some techno info...pleeeze :o) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey everybody! Well its that time of year again for those of us in school to write all those long boreing papers...and well this one isn;t boreing but i need some help I know some of you out there are TeChNo experts and well your help would be greatly appreciated for my music thesis paper :o) Here are some questions i could use some answers to... 1. What sorts of electronic equipment was used in the disco era that is now still used in Techno? 2. What type of equipment (drum machienes, keyboards, senthisizers etc.) go into producing techno? 3. What techno songs contain Classical music(titles and and artists would be awsome!!) 4. What are the average BPM for different styles of techno(jungle, house, trance, ambiant, hardcore, gabber, GOA, etc.) 5. When do you think Techno was "born"? 6. Who would you concider th "greats" of techno, including the 70's and 80's, the people who revolutionized new sounds and new styles? thank you so much if you could provide me with any of this information or any other info you could offer, YOu kids are the reatest and well im still werkin on the party up here, finding a place is hard finding snow on the slopes is even harder :o( Ok take care! Please e-mail me back privetly, thank you again!! the busy skool gurrl, JiL From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 05:06:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17615 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 05:06:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 17605 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 05:06:24 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 05:06:24 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.157 (XYP5-PORT7.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQEHAR9R1C9EDKJX@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:06:18 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:18:23 -0800 From: Doreen Subject: NRR: a HA! I have found a flaw To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <32992C1F.4317@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ok, so it's nothing great, but you know how in the English language your supposed to use 'an' instead of 'a' when describing a noun that begins with a vowel cuz it sounds weird if you don't? "toss me AN apple" "throw me AN egg" what the word utility? utility is a noun (as well as an adjective) dont we say 'a utility' instead of 'an utility' ? have i stumbled upon something here ? -doreen. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 05:24:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22853 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 05:24:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 22824 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 05:24:00 -0000 Received: from mail2.geocities.com (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 05:24:00 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca51-08.ix.netcom.com [206.214.103.168]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24489; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:23:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347A61F0.A43B4A21@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:28:16 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: VespaRaver CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Fuck Sober Raving References: <3.0.1.32.19971123204357.0069e49c@sfsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I agree with you Mr. Vespa Sir, but I think you need to take some midol. Loves & Hugs, Paul*E*Wog VespaRaver wrote: > > I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! What is the > fucking point of going on and on about it for days and days and days?!? I > signed onto this list to here people talk about raving and to get different > opinions and perspectives on different things. What I did NOT sign up for > this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of people arguing back and forth > over the same damn thing! You people need to get over it! It's not > interesting anymore! > VespaRaver =( > > ================================================= > ************************************************* > "One in three must find some peace." > ************************************************* > ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 05:36:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25249 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 05:36:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 25216 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 05:36:00 -0000 Received: from mail6.geocities.com (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.26) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 05:36:00 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca51-08.ix.netcom.com [206.214.103.168]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14858; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:26:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347A6460.74645103@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:38:40 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Vonie CC: sfraves Subject: Re: Location for: The SPIRIT of Giving References: <3479DF0E.242EBC7E@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Vlad, you seriously need to go and get some help if you think EVERYONE loves this spot. It's dirty! It's too big to find anyone! $15 is not affordable! $10 is. Love, Paul*E*Wog Ray Vonie wrote: > > Many people have been hounding me for the location of this party. > Normally We like to keep people in suspense about the location... it > adds to that underground feeling, so I'm not going to come out and say > it. BUT, i will give some clues :) > > 1. It is in Oakland > 2. It is Very Close to Coliseum BART Station. > 3. It is Very Close to freeway 880 > 4. There has not been a party there since late August. > 5. Everyone loves this spot. > 6. It is indoor and outdoor > 7. It is the same location were Spirit was last year. > 8. 20k sqft of this 70k sqft facility will be used for This Party. > 9. It is rare to have such an affordable party at this location. > (practically a miracle) > 10. This facility has Solid Walls, and does not require generators. > 11. It is also known as the "Oakland International RAVE Center" > > If you guessed by the first 3 clues then you are a veteran raver. > If you didn't figure it out until the 7th clue, then you are a new bee > raver. > If you still haven't gotten it.... than all I can say is..... welcome to > the undreground :) > > ALSO... Keep in mind that Many of the ticket outlets will be closed on > Thanksgiving Thursday. so to take advantage of the $15 Advance ticket > and the $5 savings at Bigfloor, you should plan on geting your tix > before stores close this Wednesday Night. > > for more info please click on these links: > Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html > Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html > > Keep it Real... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 05:49:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28402 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 05:49:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 28385 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 05:49:16 -0000 Received: from dilbert.ucdavis.edu (root@128.120.8.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 05:49:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (ez060343@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dilbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.7/UCD3.11.20) with SMTP id VAA10625; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:45:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:45:39 -0800 (PST) From: Kenneth Zanotto X-Sender: ez060343@dilbert.ucdavis.edu To: Paul Hayden cc: Ray Vonie , sfraves Subject: Re: Location for: The SPIRIT of Giving In-Reply-To: <347A6460.74645103@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I think that this is a great location, and I know that many of us have had some great experiences there. I am personally very excited to return here, and I think that 15 bucks is affordable for a party of this magnitude/caliber. I want to thank you in advance Vlad for the party!! Ken From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 07:08:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14615 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 07:08:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 14603 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 07:08:09 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 07:08:09 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA00612 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:08:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971124230922.0069f4fc@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:09:22 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: NRR - Re: Sober raving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm sorry...I was just irritated and annoyed at the time already, and then reading 5 billion statements of the same thing just aggrivated further the agrivation I already had. You don't have to amuse me, and I'll be glad to post a new "thread" when I come up with one. And...I'm not necessarily saying that this topic is not one I want to hear...it's just that it's getting old. But that's okay, I'm sure I'll live. I should have thought more before posting that--noe everyone on the list probably thinks I'm some bitchy ass-hole, when I'm actually really nice. I'm sorry...please forgive me. Sincerely, VespaRaver At 04:00 PM 11/24/97 -0800, you wrote: >having checked this thread monday morning... >i would like to apologize to anyone i may have aggravated due to my posting >to this thread. > >although... vespa... just what *would* you like to talk about? you can >start a new *more relavant* thread any time you like... or should *we* >think of something else to amuse you?... in other words... chill bro, >asking nicely will do just as well. > >peace, >-SolR > > ================================================= ************************************************* "One in three must find some peace." ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 07:08:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15597 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 07:08:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 15589 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 07:08:42 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 07:08:42 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA00639; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:08:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971124230952.00699c14@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:09:52 -0800 To: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: gurgitated posts (was: Frick Sober Raving) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Peter... me too! (just kidding) Well at least someone understood the point I was trying to make. Maybe I didn't make it in the best way, but at least someone understood it! Thank you! VespaRaver At 04:20 PM 11/24/97 -0800, you wrote: >Re: gurgitated posts (was : Frick Sober Raving) >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >>.However, when it is >>the same opinion regurgitated fifty thousand times, it gets a little old. >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > >I think Vespa has a very good point here. > >Here's what happens: > >Smiley Candyraver comes to his computer after being out partying all weekend. >He logs on, dumps 75 messages into his In box. The first post is about >Smoking Crack at Raves. > >So Smiley replies instantly, without reading the other 74 messages in his >box. He posts, saying, "Crack sucks! My Mom used to smoke crack and now >she's Upstate doing 20 for B & E!" > >Then he opens the other 74 messages and realizes that 50% of the people on >the list have already >expressed similar sentiments. > >The solution: >Smiley C. should have taken a deep breath, blazed up a twentyrock, >relaxed and read ALL the posts before he responded! Or, more importantly, >he should have read all the Posts that said >("Re: Smoking Crack A Raves") and decided which messages should be flamed, >amended or added to. > >It really is important to get the full scope of the thread. Smiley ends >up looking like a big smiley dorkface because he just repeated what 74 >other people said before him. And who wants to be a big smiley dorkface. > >And Smiley should never say "Me too!" That's just dorky. > > >allrighty then. :o}{-= > >b))merang > > > > > >>To Jeremy and everyone else who has sent me similar replies: Yes, the >>opinions I was looking for ARE the ones I'm reading...However, when it is >>the same opinion regurgitated fifty thousand times, it gets a little old. >>That was the point I'm trying to make. I also did not necessarily mean >>Fuck Sober Raving itself, I meant fuck the topic of sober raving. The >>point was that the same topic for days and days and days gets old. And I >>don't need another 50 e-mails bitching at me. I'm just restating my point >>since most didn't get it! I would also like to publicly thank all those >>who e-mailed me privately saying they agreed with me. >> VespaRaver >> >> >>At 08:59 AM 11/24/97 -0800, you wrote: >>> >>>A question for Vespa... rn't those opinions u were >>>looking for tha same ones u've been reading...yes >>>everyone has a opinion...thats why there have been so >>>many posts about sober ravin....next time...as Lara >>>said click delete...love~jeremy >>> >>> >>>=== >>> >>>~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---VespaRaver wrote: >>>> >>>> I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving >>>bull shit! What is the >>>> fucking point of going on and on about it for days >>>and days and days?!? I >>>> signed onto this list to here people talk about >>>raving and to get different >>>> opinions and perspectives on different things. >>>What I did NOT sign up for >>>> this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of >>>people arguing back and forth >>>> over the same damn thing! You people need to get >>>over it! It's not >>>> interesting anymore! >>>> VespaRaver =( >>>> >>>> >>>> ================================================= >>>> ************************************************* >>>> "One in three must find some peace." >>>> ************************************************* >>>> ================================================= >>>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>================================================= >>************************************************* >> "One in three must find some peace." >>************************************************* >>================================================= > > > > ================================================= ************************************************* "One in three must find some peace." ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 07:19:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17890 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 07:19:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 17882 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 07:19:41 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 07:19:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA17421; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:17:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:17:41 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: dOpE cc: "lara at vibe.org" , Matt Schwartz , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: "Spirit" Meeting place? In-Reply-To: <32990EF4.703E@sonoma.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk GREAT DOREEN NOW EVERYONE KNOWS I RAISE HELL! *grin* yeah yeah yeah. it's true, i'm not the saint you all think i am. :) and doreen, well, she ain't either. On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, dOpE wrote: > lara, get on irc ya hellraisr!! > woo hoo > -dor > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 07:36:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20654 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 07:36:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 20642 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 07:36:19 -0000 Received: from mrin83.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin83.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.193) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 07:36:19 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin83.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA18487 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:35:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:35:51 -0500 (EST) From: Jello15M@aol.com Message-ID: <971125023550_-893635534@mrin83.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I wrote a letter for which I wish to apologize. I read the list and stay quiet, but I have been subscibed for about a year and like to think I sort of know what's usually going on. The Sober raving thread made me angry because of the way people were talking to eachother, not the content of the letter. We are all ravers, even if we are under 18, and we don;t really need to be intentionally mean to eachother. I, probably stupidly, posted a letter not only questioning as to why people were being attacked, but doing some attacking myself. I also asked why we were continuing the thread when there was so much adversion to it... in the thread itself. Very dumb. Ok.. so I apologize, but my question remains and has not been answered: why do some of us feel that it is necessary to attack others? We don;t fight at raves yet I find the verbal abuse of this list so annoying that I resort to just that to express my anger. We should make love to the sober raving thread. It's sharing some ideas that some of us don't agree with. Just exactly the reason I still read the list. just we should be civil while sharing our ideas, don't you think? As I return to my quiet corner to dance in peace.... Mark From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 08:10:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25492 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 08:10:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 25483 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 08:10:13 -0000 Received: from mrin43.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin43.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.153) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 08:10:13 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin43.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA08070 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:09:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:09:46 -0500 (EST) From: PhoenXtasy@aol.com Message-ID: <971125030945_-288659143@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org cc: BarBich1@aol.com Subject: [NRR][SR]: Grammer (Delete now) (was Found a Flaw) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk blink~~>WARNING<~~blink (just pretend it's blinking): The following is essentially of no use to anyone of us. but if you like the bandwidth waste, go for it! Have fun. Enjoy. I'm tired. G'night. :o) In a message dated 97-11-25, Our Lovely and Talented Doreen wrote: << dont we say 'a utility' instead of 'an utility' ? >> What about 'an honor'? Isn't 'h' a consonant? That would mean use an 'a', right? Nope, 'cause there's this funny unwritten law that it's the sound you go by, not the actual letter. So unless you say "Hahn-er" instead of "on-er" or "uh-til-ih-tee" instead of "yoo-til-ih-tee" then this unwritten rule takes presidence (sp?) over that supposedly "cut in stone" rule of consonants and vowels. (please ignore the spelling there, this is about grammer, I cant spell for crap when I'm this tired and I'm too weak to pick up the dictionary ;o) Now on with life. . . LuV -N- BiG HuGZ, ~^V^~PhoeniX~^V^~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 09:53:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29149 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 09:53:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 29140 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 09:53:19 -0000 Received: from lambda.ben2.ucla.edu (164.67.131.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 09:53:19 -0000 Received: from tau.ben2.ucla.edu (tau.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.32]) by lambda.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA40002 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:53:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:53:14 -0800 (PST) From: SCOTT DAVID LASSITER Subject: Re: Location for: The SPIRIT of Giving To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <347A6460.74645103@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am up here from LA for the holiday and want to attend A New Beginning being put on by Bigfloor. I saw them mentioned in this thread and it's the only thing I've heard so far on this list about that rave. Is this the same location mentioned for the Giving? I would really appreciate any information anyone could give about New Beginning. I am only familiar with SoCal raves, and new to even that. So I know nothing about the producer, location, etc, only what I read from their web-page. Thanks! Unity, Scott On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Paul Hayden wrote: > Vlad, you seriously need to go and get some help if you think EVERYONE > loves this spot. It's dirty! It's too big to find anyone! $15 is not > affordable! $10 is. > Love, > Paul*E*Wog > > Ray Vonie wrote: > > > > Many people have been hounding me for the location of this party. > > Normally We like to keep people in suspense about the location... it > > adds to that underground feeling, so I'm not going to come out and say > > it. BUT, i will give some clues :) > > > > 1. It is in Oakland > > 2. It is Very Close to Coliseum BART Station. > > 3. It is Very Close to freeway 880 > > 4. There has not been a party there since late August. > > 5. Everyone loves this spot. > > 6. It is indoor and outdoor > > 7. It is the same location were Spirit was last year. > > 8. 20k sqft of this 70k sqft facility will be used for This Party. > > 9. It is rare to have such an affordable party at this location. > > (practically a miracle) > > 10. This facility has Solid Walls, and does not require generators. > > 11. It is also known as the "Oakland International RAVE Center" > > > > If you guessed by the first 3 clues then you are a veteran raver. > > If you didn't figure it out until the 7th clue, then you are a new bee > > raver. > > If you still haven't gotten it.... than all I can say is..... welcome to > > the undreground :) > > > > ALSO... Keep in mind that Many of the ticket outlets will be closed on > > Thanksgiving Thursday. so to take advantage of the $15 Advance ticket > > and the $5 savings at Bigfloor, you should plan on geting your tix > > before stores close this Wednesday Night. > > > > for more info please click on these links: > > Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html > > Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html > > > > Keep it Real... Vlad > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 11:17:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12446 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 11:17:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 12438 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 11:17:47 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 11:17:47 -0000 Received: from [206.169.229.32] (tokyo-32.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.32]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA14159 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:17:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:17:42 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: deepfog@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "You're Busted!" From: Deepfog Subject: (NRR) sex by the bay Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk LOCAL TALK 3: SEX BY THE BAY As we looked at it,,, we could not describe it. but we wanted it. we kNEW that. We wanted to blow it. We wanted to lick it crack it but then some wise-ass got a pin and deflated our androgynous blow-up doll with three holes and 2 poles so we all went home. ;] From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 11:38:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15746 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 11:37:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 15732 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 11:37:56 -0000 Received: from liberty5.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.165) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 11:37:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 5428 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 11:37:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125113707.5427.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.159.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:37:07 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.159.129] From: "maya katz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: IRC???? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:37:07 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey kiddos i was wondering if anyone could send me a link on how to get IRC? or maybe explain what it is...? internet relay chat, i know- but how is that different than ICQ? or the IMer from aol? oh yeah- i have aol now too, look for me SN: Yareachx8 lovenhugs to you all! -maya >lara, get on irc ya hellraisr!! >woo hoo >-dor > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 11:46:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18991 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 11:46:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 18981 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 11:46:03 -0000 Received: from f32.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.43) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 11:46:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 23119 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 11:45:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125114536.23118.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.159.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:45:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.159.129] From: "maya katz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, costad@SONOMA.EDU Subject: Re: NRR: a HA! I have found a flaw Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:45:36 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk what about "an historian" instead of "a historian" has anyone heard historians called that? does anyone know why? good point doreen, there are so many exceptions in the english language, that some teachers, when teaching it as an ESL call it boundarieless, or exceptional... -maya > >Ok, so it's nothing great, >but you know how in the English language your supposed to use 'an' >instead of 'a' when describing a noun that begins with a vowel cuz it >sounds weird if you don't? >"toss me AN apple" >"throw me AN egg" > >what the word utility? >utility is a noun (as well as an adjective) > >dont we say 'a utility' instead of 'an utility' ? > >have i stumbled upon something here ? > >-doreen. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 13:56:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8294 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 13:56:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 8286 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 13:56:00 -0000 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.120) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 13:56:00 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id FAA03620; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 05:55:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 05:55:57 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Re: NRR: a HA! I have found a flaw To: Doreen cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <32992C1F.4317@sonoma.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk It is often common to use "an" before words beginning with "H" as in "an historical event". English is quite the quirky language. On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Doreen wrote: > Ok, so it's nothing great, > but you know how in the English language your supposed to use 'an' > instead of 'a' when describing a noun that begins with a vowel cuz it > sounds weird if you don't? > "toss me AN apple" > "throw me AN egg" > > what the word utility? > utility is a noun (as well as an adjective) > > dont we say 'a utility' instead of 'an utility' ? > > have i stumbled upon something here ? > > -doreen. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 14:19:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14561 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 14:19:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 14552 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 14:19:31 -0000 Received: from mrin40.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin40.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.150) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 14:19:31 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA04259 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:19:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:19:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kalidosope@aol.com Message-ID: <971125091904_-422807158@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Turkey leftovers... was Spirit meeting place Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Guess what, me and Dustin are probley going to attend Spirit! Its been a LONG time! I like Dorens "Tide Box" thing, maybe since its the day after Thanksgiving Ill wear all the Turkey left-overs. If anyone got hungrey they could just find me......... hmmmm just a thought. --amanda-- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 16:23:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23827 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 16:23:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 23819 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 16:23:12 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 16:23:12 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16438 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA00672; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:16:42 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:25:29 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: Five Universes (NRR) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I've been watching "Steven Hawkins Universe" on PBS, and on the last episode, they were talking about how physicists & astronomers have found 5 different ways of defining our Universe. (I only caught the tail end, so I don't actually know what the 5 methods are) But the point they made is that these 5 ways of defining the Universe seem to work. Only, they can't work /with/ each other, they can only work independantly of each other. So there is this theory that there are actually FIVE universes intertwined, and we are only ONE of them. Well, actually, there could be innumerable Universes, science has only been able to define five. W o w . Anyone know anything else about this? b o o m e r a n g H ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr ARETH EFACTSYO UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// "...the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - t.s. eliot From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 17:40:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24254 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 17:40:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 24205 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 17:40:01 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 17:40:01 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp65.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.65]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id KAA28634 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:35:20 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: Subject: Re: NRR: a HA! I have found a flaw Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:33:00 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf9c8$2d75c6c0$e356dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i work at raver books and the adjacent bookstore to us is multilingual books. i was looking at all their "learn to speak english" books and i realized we are very lucky to be able to speak it so well! it is a HARD language full of illogical spellings and phrases. For example "you let the cat out of the bag" he's giving me the run around" "she's so stuck up" It even had a section on the use of the word "fuck". I never realized how many ways people use it. exa. "you're so f-in stupid" "f that!" "f you!" "what a fuckhead" "yeah, her and i f-ed last night" "dude, i didn't do my homework today, i am so f-ed" Crazy. Then again, I want to learn to speak Japanese which I guess it somewhat as hard to learn as a non-native speaker learning english love+groovin kim .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. -----Original Message----- From: maya katz To: sfraves@hyperreal.org ; costad@SONOMA.EDU Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 4:41 AM Subject: Re: NRR: a HA! I have found a flaw >what about "an historian" instead of "a historian" has anyone heard >historians called that? >does anyone know why? >good point doreen, there are so many exceptions in the english language, >that some teachers, when teaching it as an ESL call it boundarieless, or >exceptional... >-maya From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 17:40:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24740 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 17:40:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 24591 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 17:40:11 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 17:40:11 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xaOxP-00071G-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:39:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:39:38 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Peter Sandifer cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk What is their definition of a "Universe"? Depending on this would determine how many universes there actually are. I bet each of my cheerios in my bowl of cereal has 10-12 universes.... you never know... Just a thought... or two..... or three... Byroni On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Peter Sandifer wrote: > I've been watching "Steven Hawkins Universe" on PBS, and on the last > episode, they were talking about how physicists & astronomers have found 5 > different ways of defining our Universe. (I only caught the tail end, so I > don't actually know what the 5 methods are) > > But the point they made is that these 5 ways of defining the Universe seem > to work. Only, they can't work /with/ each other, they can only work > independantly of each other. > > So there is this theory that there are actually FIVE universes intertwined, > and we are only ONE of them. Well, actually, there could be innumerable > Universes, science has only been able to define five. > > W o w . > > > Anyone know anything else about this? > > > b > o > o > m > e > r > a > n > g H > ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr > ARETH > EFACTSYO > UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- > > \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// > "...the end of all our exploring > will be to arrive where we started > and know the place for the first time." > - t.s. eliot > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 17:47:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27920 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 17:47:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 27893 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 17:47:19 -0000 Received: from mail3.sirius.com (205.134.253.133) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 17:47:19 -0000 Received: from [205.134.227.236] (ppp-asft08--236.sirius.net [205.134.227.236]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id JAA16386; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:47:09 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: standish@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0a80a07270119b7UPIMSSMTPUSR04@email.msn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:46:24 -0800 To: "Vanessa & Miccaela" From: Michael Standish Subject: Re: Some Things Never Change Cc: "funkateers" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Miccaela: >I've been deleting hundreds of unread posts for months now because I >couldn't keep up with all the traffic on the list. I finally started >reading posts again, and you know what? Yay! Miccaela's back! Yipee! >Same old shit regurgitated. Has it always been like this? Yup, and the whole damn Internet, has always been this way as well. >it or not) or 3. unsubscribe or set up a filter (the wimpy options). Filters are my friend. Without them, I would, as you recently did, end up deleting huge chunks of messages without reading any of them. Besides not all filters are kill files. Some of my filters highlight messages from people who I don't want to miss. Ulrich standish@sirius.com "... how can you not blow a whistle?? It unites us in one big TWEEEEET!" (TeKnODiVa,1997) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 17:47:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28007 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 17:47:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 27974 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 17:47:24 -0000 Received: from kzsu.stanford.edu (36.118.0.90) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 17:47:24 -0000 Received: (from radon@localhost) by kzsu.Stanford.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA16965; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:44:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:44:21 -0800 (PST) From: dj radon To: Noah Apodaca cc: Doreen , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: a HA! I have found a flaw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Actually, I think the rule is to use "an" before any words that _sound_ like they start with a vowel. It's not so much a spelling thing as a pronunciation thing. i.e.: utility, pronounced "youtility" = a unity, pronounced "younity" = a uppity, understanding, underwear, pronounced like a vowel, = an historian, pronounced either "historian or istorian" (depending on accent) = depends on how you say it: either "an istorian" or "a historian", but not usually "a istorian" or "an historian" -radon (cunning linguist) > On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Doreen wrote: > > > Ok, so it's nothing great, > > but you know how in the English language your supposed to use 'an' > > instead of 'a' when describing a noun that begins with a vowel cuz it > > sounds weird if you don't? > > "toss me AN apple" > > "throw me AN egg" > > > > what the word utility? > > utility is a noun (as well as an adjective) > > > > dont we say 'a utility' instead of 'an utility' ? > > > > have i stumbled upon something here ? > > > > -doreen. > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 17:55:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1893 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 17:55:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 1872 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 17:55:39 -0000 Received: from mail.crl.com (165.113.1.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 17:55:39 -0000 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id JAA06613; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:55:35 -0800 (PST) env-from (storpis@crl.com) Received: by crl.crl.com id AA08491 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:50:30 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199711251750.AA08491@crl.crl.com> Subject: Re: (NRR) sex by the bay To: deepfog@hooked.net (Deepfog) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:50:30 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: from "Deepfog" at Nov 25, 97 03:17:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Welcome to rec.arts.poetry.erotica. Delivered directly to your email hole. Brought to you by SFRAVES ... the mailing list that discusses everything BUT sfraves. Problem? What problem? > LOCAL TALK 3: > > SEX BY THE BAY > > As we looked at it,,, > > we could not describe it. > > but we wanted it. we kNEW that. > > We wanted to blow it. We wanted to > > lick it > > crack it > > but then some wise-ass got a pin > > and deflated our androgynous blow-up doll > > with three holes > > and 2 poles > > so we all went home. > > ;] From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 17:56:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2838 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 17:56:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 2822 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 17:56:37 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 17:56:37 -0000 Received: (from ldylove@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id MoG02075; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:53:44 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:40:22 -0800 Subject: pink floyd remixes Message-ID: <19971125.094647.5903.1.ldylove@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-12 From: ldylove@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This goes out to who ever asked about Pink Floyd remixed into techno or what ever it was ( I thnk I erased the message somewhere in the 156 I down loaded last night) I just heard these two discs of bootleg "trance remixes" of Mettle and Wish You Were Here. They're definitely not done by the Orb as is often rumored ... probably just a fan with some gear and too much time on his hands ... but they are good nonetheless! Has anybody else heard these anywhere? RLove From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 17:57:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3410 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 17:57:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 3389 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 17:57:03 -0000 Received: from f5.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 17:57:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 6789 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 17:56:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125175635.6788.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:56:34 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Jello's Question (was make love.. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:56:34 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The reason why I share my opinions to the list regardless of the fact that people may or may not like the " thread" is because I am sharing my opinions and ideas on topics/issues that I am interested in. Not to be disrespectful, but I do not care if there are people who think what I am saying is lame, stupid, careless, funny, etc. etc. etc. If I did care about what everyone else thought, I wouldn't write a thing and I would not know who I am. Writing is a way to express yourself, even on a mailing list. I write about t a lot of things that I usually would find a very hard time telling people verbally (you know the people are out there, but you don't see them) and it's nice. I see many people sharing their preferences, opinions, happiness, and laughter. There is nothing wrong with that even if it is talked about for a very long time. That probably means that it is important to many people. If the same things are being said, it is probably because a point was misunderstood or taken the wrong way. It is easy to be misunderstood. You have over 400 people on the list reading what you write and if you try to please everyone, well...good luck cause I guarantee you it is not going to happen. Now, as far as opinions go, they are very personal. What you have done in life to come up with a certain opinion is not going to be the same case with somebody else, and until they go through what you went through to realize that certain *lesson* they will not understand-----so you ***share*** your thoughts, ideas, and slinkys. Then if that person finds what you have just said to somewhat be true to them as well, they can take that with them and learn from it and mold it into their own idea or thought on the topic. Everyone learns about stuff wether they like it or not. I have actually just shared with you out there, via internet, my theory on *why I am here* ---To listen, share, learn, accept, and take pieces of other people's ideas and mesh them into my own and learn some more. Think about how much we would not learn without communication. No speech, sound, writtings, we all listen to eachother and take what we want to take and leave what we want to leave and in the outcome we create *ourselves* and we keep on creating, forever..... Take it or leave it, danny >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 23:36:30 1997 >Received: (qmail 20654 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 07:36:20 -0000 >Received: (qmail 20642 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 07:36:19 -0000 >Received: from mrin83.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin83.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.193) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 07:36:19 -0000 >Received: (from root@localhost) > by mrin83.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) > id CAA18487 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; > Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:35:51 -0500 (EST) >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:35:51 -0500 (EST) >From: Jello15M@aol.com >Message-ID: <971125023550_-893635534@mrin83.mail.aol.com> >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >I wrote a letter for which I wish to apologize. I read the list and stay >quiet, but I have been subscibed for about a year and like to think I sort of >know what's usually going on. The Sober raving thread made me angry because >of the way people were talking to eachother, not the content of the letter. > We are all ravers, even if we are under 18, and we don;t really need to be >intentionally mean to eachother. I, probably stupidly, posted a letter not >only questioning as to why people were being attacked, but doing some >attacking myself. I also asked why we were continuing the thread when there >was so much adversion to it... in the thread itself. Very dumb. Ok.. so I >apologize, but my question remains and has not been answered: why do some of >us feel that it is necessary to attack others? We don;t fight at raves yet I >find the verbal abuse of this list so annoying that I resort to just that to >express my anger. We should make love to the sober raving thread. It's >sharing some ideas that some of us don't agree with. Just exactly the reason >I still read the list. just we should be civil while sharing our ideas, >don't you think? >As I return to my quiet corner to dance in peace.... >Mark > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 17:59:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5199 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 17:59:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 5181 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 17:59:46 -0000 Received: from mail.crl.com (165.113.1.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 17:59:46 -0000 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id JAA07723; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:59:39 -0800 (PST) env-from (storpis@crl.com) Received: by crl.crl.com id AA08356 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:46:40 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199711251746.AA08356@crl.crl.com> Subject: Re: [NRR][SR]: Grammer (Delete now) (was Found a Flaw) To: PhoenXtasy@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:46:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, BarBich1@aol.com In-Reply-To: <971125030945_-288659143@mrin43.mail.aol.com> from "PhoenXtasy@aol.com" at Nov 25, 97 03:09:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The best thing to do is to shoot a complaint to brian@hyperreal.org. He doesn't think there is a problem. Apparently many listmembers disagree. > blink~~>WARNING<~~blink (just pretend it's blinking): The following is > essentially of no use to anyone of us. but if you like the bandwidth waste, > go for it! Have fun. Enjoy. I'm tired. G'night. :o) > > In a message dated 97-11-25, Our Lovely and Talented Doreen wrote: > << dont we say 'a utility' instead of 'an utility' ? >> > What about 'an honor'? Isn't 'h' a consonant? That would mean use an 'a', > right? Nope, 'cause there's this funny unwritten law that it's the sound you > go by, not the actual letter. So unless you say "Hahn-er" instead of "on-er" > or "uh-til-ih-tee" instead of "yoo-til-ih-tee" then this unwritten rule takes > presidence (sp?) over that supposedly "cut in stone" rule of consonants and > vowels. > > (please ignore the spelling there, this is about grammer, I cant spell for > crap when I'm this tired and I'm too weak to pick up the dictionary ;o) > > Now on with life. . . > > LuV -N- BiG HuGZ, > ~^V^~PhoeniX~^V^~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:04:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8018 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:04:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 8010 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:04:32 -0000 Received: from f57.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.143) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:04:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 6467 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 18:04:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125180405.6466.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:04:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Jello's Question (was make love.. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:04:04 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The reason why I share my opinions to the list regardless of the fact that people may or may not like the " thread" is because I am sharing my opinions and ideas on topics/issues that I am interested in. Not to be disrespectful, but I do not care if there are people who think what I am saying is lame, stupid, careless, funny, etc. etc. etc. If I did care about what everyone else thought, I wouldn't write a thing and I would not know who I am. Writing is a way to express yourself, even on a mailing list. I write about t a lot of things that I usually would find a very hard time telling people verbally (you know the people are out there, but you don't see them) and it's nice. I see many people sharing their preferences, opinions, happiness, and laughter. There is nothing wrong with that even if it is talked about for a very long time. That probably means that it is important to many people. If the same things are being said, it is probably because a point was misunderstood or taken the wrong way. It is easy to be misunderstood. You have over 400 people on the list reading what you write and if you try to please everyone, well...good luck cause I guarantee you it is not going to happen. Now, as far as opinions go, they are very personal. What you have done in life to come up with a certain opinion is not going to be the same case with somebody else, and until they go through what you went through to realize that certain *lesson* they will not understand-----so you ***share*** your thoughts, ideas, and slinkys. Then if that person finds what you have just said to somewhat be true to them as well, they can take that with them and learn from it and mold it into their own idea or thought on the topic. Everyone learns about stuff wether they like it or not. I have actually just shared with you out there, via internet, my theory on *why I am here* ---To listen, share, learn, accept, and take pieces of other people's ideas and mesh them into my own and learn some more. Think about how much we would not learn without communication. No speech, sound, writtings, we all listen to eachother and take what we want to take and leave what we want to leave and in the outcome we create *ourselves* and we keep on creating, forever..... Take it or leave it, danny >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 23:36:30 1997 >Received: (qmail 20654 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 07:36:20 -0000 >Received: (qmail 20642 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 07:36:19 -0000 >Received: from mrin83.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin83.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.193) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 07:36:19 -0000 >Received: (from root@localhost) > by mrin83.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) > id CAA18487 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; > Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:35:51 -0500 (EST) >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:35:51 -0500 (EST) >From: Jello15M@aol.com >Message-ID: <971125023550_-893635534@mrin83.mail.aol.com> >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >I wrote a letter for which I wish to apologize. I read the list and stay >quiet, but I have been subscibed for about a year and like to think I sort of >know what's usually going on. The Sober raving thread made me angry because >of the way people were talking to eachother, not the content of the letter. > We are all ravers, even if we are under 18, and we don;t really need to be >intentionally mean to eachother. I, probably stupidly, posted a letter not >only questioning as to why people were being attacked, but doing some >attacking myself. I also asked why we were continuing the thread when there >was so much adversion to it... in the thread itself. Very dumb. Ok.. so I >apologize, but my question remains and has not been answered: why do some of >us feel that it is necessary to attack others? We don;t fight at raves yet I >find the verbal abuse of this list so annoying that I resort to just that to >express my anger. We should make love to the sober raving thread. It's >sharing some ideas that some of us don't agree with. Just exactly the reason >I still read the list. just we should be civil while sharing our ideas, >don't you think? >As I return to my quiet corner to dance in peace.... >Mark > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:09:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10173 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:09:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 10151 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:09:29 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:09:29 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.124] ([38.248.198.124] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29891 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:12:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:09:23 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Valuable or Tedious Threads? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'll start with my definition of respect: Respect is knowing that *you* are not the center of the universe ... it is caring enough about other people that you take their thoughts, perspective, experiences and feelings into consideration with every word you say, and everything you do. OK, with that in mind, I did a little reality check on the complaints about "regurgitation" and endless "repeating" of the recent "sober raving" thread.... I went back and reread the posts as they had appeared.... and, sorry, but i don't get what people are complaining about... and it makes me worry that some of the quieter folks on this list are going to be even less likely to make their own meaningful contributions to future discussions... this thread, to me, was a very important discussion that included personal posts from people in our community talking about how their lives had been adversely affected by being sucked into abuse of substances... and grew into people having conversations about whether young teenagers have the maturity to make decisions like this and discussions of personal responsiblity in general... which led into a conversation about parenting and responsibility to protect and to teach one's kids. frankly, the only posts i found that i felt were off-topic were the complaints. i am not trying to re-open any cans of worms... we've had apologies from some who fanned the flames by their cranky responses, etc.... but i do think it's important not to mistake important discussions for arguments, and not to mistake disagreement for personal attacks. there are *450* people on this list, give or take a few .... and *everyone's* opinion is valuable and welcome.... there are many of you out there who i've met over the years who i know read this list, and who tell me you're afraid to post because you think what you have to say isn't important enough, or that you'll get flamed.... and that sucks, because we miss out on knowing another perspective of interesting topics... no, it's not appropriate to copy someone's whole message and just add "yeah, right on!" or "me too!" (because that just adds to the traffic on here) .... and some of us prefer that the list isn't used for the "oh, i just love you all today" kinds of posts..... but it *is* appropriate to add your personal perspective to a thread and move the conversation forward. anyone who thinks conversations about drugs and raving is off-topic for this list is flat-out wrong. to me, the information that was shared in this thread was some of the most important we've talked about in a while... love, leslie (see you at spirit ... how about 1:00 am at the water booth? I'll wear something distinctive for people who don't know me so I'm easy to spot-- maybe it's the season to break out the poinsettia wreath for my head?) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:10:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10761 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:10:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 10753 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:10:03 -0000 Received: from mrin40.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin40.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.150) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:10:03 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA28449 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:09:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:09:36 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971125130935_632209459@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: *SpiriT* Meeting Spot Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk HEY EVERYBODY!! I Gots a great Idea. Michael (ULRICH) Is spinning at Spirit from 10 to 11. MEbbe we could all go and watch his set together?? That's an hour long span of time to run into each other... Or is it to early in tha evening?? Either way.. you should all look for me... cuz I got the bombest flourescent yellow visor... and what does it say on the front?? *SPIRIT* YAY!! Teresa has one too, so look for us and we'll be the SFR meeting spot. I even have an SFR T-shirt I made to wear.... my oh my.. does that make me a label whore?? anyways.. look for my visor, yo! hugs n'stuff, 'trice the tekno diva "Get fresh... drink naked" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:13:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11809 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:13:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 11801 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:13:21 -0000 Received: from f7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:13:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 21147 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 18:12:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125181254.21146.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:12:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Thoughts/accepting/sharing/learning Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:12:48 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The reason why I share my opinions to the list regardless of the fact that people may or may not like the " thread" is because I am sharing my opinions and ideas on topics/issues that I am interested in. Not to be disrespectful, but I do not care if there are people who think what I am saying is lame, stupid, careless, funny, etc. etc. etc. If I did care about what everyone else thought, I wouldn't write a thing and I would not know who I am. Writing is a way to express yourself, even on a mailing list. I write about t a lot of things that I usually would find a very hard time telling people verbally (you know the people are out there, but you don't see them) and it's nice. I see many people sharing their preferences, opinions, happiness, and laughter. There is nothing wrong with that even if it is talked about for a very long time. That probably means that it is important to many people. If the same things are being said, it is probably because a point was misunderstood or taken the wrong way. It is easy to be misunderstood. You have over 400 people on the list reading what you write and if you try to please everyone, well...good luck cause I guarantee you it is not going to happen. Now, as far as opinions go, they are very personal. What you have done in life to come up with a certain opinion is not going to be the same case with somebody else, and until they go through what you went through to realize that certain *lesson* they will not understand-----so you ***share*** your thoughts, ideas, and slinkys. Then if that person finds what you have just said to somewhat be true to them as well, they can take that with them and learn from it and mold it into their own idea or thought on the topic. Everyone learns about stuff wether they like it or not. I have actually just shared with you out there, via internet, my theory on *why I am here* ---To listen, share, learn, accept, and take pieces of other people's ideas and mesh them into my own and learn some more. Think about how much we would not learn without communication. No speech, sound, writtings, we all listen to eachother and take what we want to take and leave what we want to leave and in the outcome we create *ourselves* and we keep on creating, forever..... Take it or leave it, danny >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Mon Nov 24 23:36:30 1997 >Received: (qmail 20654 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 07:36:20 -0000 >Received: (qmail 20642 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 07:36:19 -0000 >Received: from mrin83.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin83.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.193) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 07:36:19 -0000 >Received: (from root@localhost) > by mrin83.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) > id CAA18487 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; > Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:35:51 -0500 (EST) >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:35:51 -0500 (EST) >From: Jello15M@aol.com >Message-ID: <971125023550_-893635534@mrin83.mail.aol.com> >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >I wrote a letter for which I wish to apologize. I read the list and stay >quiet, but I have been subscibed for about a year and like to think I sort of >know what's usually going on. The Sober raving thread made me angry because >of the way people were talking to eachother, not the content of the letter. > We are all ravers, even if we are under 18, and we don;t really need to be >intentionally mean to eachother. I, probably stupidly, posted a letter not >only questioning as to why people were being attacked, but doing some >attacking myself. I also asked why we were continuing the thread when there >was so much adversion to it... in the thread itself. Very dumb. Ok.. so I >apologize, but my question remains and has not been answered: why do some of >us feel that it is necessary to attack others? We don;t fight at raves yet I >find the verbal abuse of this list so annoying that I resort to just that to >express my anger. We should make love to the sober raving thread. It's >sharing some ideas that some of us don't agree with. Just exactly the reason >I still read the list. just we should be civil while sharing our ideas, >don't you think? >As I return to my quiet corner to dance in peace.... >Mark > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:15:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12533 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:15:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 12524 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:15:28 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:15:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125181756.21801.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [204.94.209.1] by web2; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:17:56 PST Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:17:56 -0800 (PST) From: Layne Loomis Subject: Re: [NRR][SR]: Grammer (Delete now) (was Found a Flaw) To: Sharif Torpis , PhoenXtasy@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, BarBich1@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sharif, I've read your last two replies and I have read the others to this post as well. Looks to me like people have generally posted positively. It sounds to me like your just not happy with the topics on this list. Maybe you should un-sub for awhile. Its not Brian's place to be controlling this list. He spends a lot of his own time getting it out to us already. Honestly, if you want to stay thats great, but it doesn't sound that way. Just my .02 cents LL From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:16:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13146 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:16:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 13138 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:16:23 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:16:23 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA13126; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:15:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca2-23.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.87) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013108; Tue Nov 25 12:15:22 1997 Message-ID: <347B15A8.78566940@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:15:04 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SCOTT DAVID LASSITER CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Location for: The SPIRIT of Giving References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Welcome to the Bay area Rave Scene.... Bigfloor is going to be a great party. I cannot coment on the location, but I do know that its a Wonderfull spot. In adition, If you get a presale ticket to Spirit, you get $5 of with the ticket stub at bigfloor! Hope to see you at both parties, and have a great Thanksgiving. Keep it real.. Vlad SCOTT DAVID LASSITER wrote: > Hi, > I am up here from LA for the holiday and want to attend A New Beginning > being put on by Bigfloor. I saw them mentioned in this thread and it's > the only thing I've heard so far on this list about that rave. Is this > the same location mentioned for the Giving? > > I would really appreciate any information anyone could give about New > Beginning. I am only familiar with SoCal raves, and new to even that. So > I know nothing about the producer, location, etc, only what I read from > their web-page. > > Thanks! > > Unity, > Scott > > On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Paul Hayden wrote: > > > Vlad, you seriously need to go and get some help if you think EVERYONE > > loves this spot. It's dirty! It's too big to find anyone! $15 is not > > affordable! $10 is. > > Love, > > Paul*E*Wog > > > > Ray Vonie wrote: > > > > > > Many people have been hounding me for the location of this party. > > > Normally We like to keep people in suspense about the location... it > > > adds to that underground feeling, so I'm not going to come out and say > > > it. BUT, i will give some clues :) > > > > > > 1. It is in Oakland > > > 2. It is Very Close to Coliseum BART Station. > > > 3. It is Very Close to freeway 880 > > > 4. There has not been a party there since late August. > > > 5. Everyone loves this spot. > > > 6. It is indoor and outdoor > > > 7. It is the same location were Spirit was last year. > > > 8. 20k sqft of this 70k sqft facility will be used for This Party. > > > 9. It is rare to have such an affordable party at this location. > > > (practically a miracle) > > > 10. This facility has Solid Walls, and does not require generators. > > > 11. It is also known as the "Oakland International RAVE Center" > > > > > > If you guessed by the first 3 clues then you are a veteran raver. > > > If you didn't figure it out until the 7th clue, then you are a new bee > > > raver. > > > If you still haven't gotten it.... than all I can say is..... welcome to > > > the undreground :) > > > > > > ALSO... Keep in mind that Many of the ticket outlets will be closed on > > > Thanksgiving Thursday. so to take advantage of the $15 Advance ticket > > > and the $5 savings at Bigfloor, you should plan on geting your tix > > > before stores close this Wednesday Night. > > > > > > for more info please click on these links: > > > Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html > > > Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html > > > > > > Keep it Real... Vlad > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:19:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14112 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:19:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 14103 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:19:03 -0000 Received: from f55.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.141) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:19:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 27893 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 18:18:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125181836.27891.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.182.13.81 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:18:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.182.13.81] From: "~ jenny ~" To: poobear@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:18:35 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ah, yes...the serenity prayer: God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. >From: "bABy HueY" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:13:24 GMT > > I came on to the list as a newbie into the scene and didn't >understand much. As I stayed on longer and longer, I realized it was a >great place to learn about many things *even though it shouldn't be >according to hyperreal's first "intentions"* I think that if I hadn't >joined, I wouldn't have had the priveledge of evolving into The SLinky >Guy, I wouldn't have met persons a-z and back from z-a, I wouldn't have >learned so much about myself etc. etc. > Most importantly, I wouldn't have learned about staying sober. You >may not see this through one individual's posts, but there are many >people on the list that care. They can't really do anything about >influencing your actions. *You* are the person that *you* are >responsible for and all they can say is they care and thay might witness >you heading towards hell, but one can only learn if their heart is in >the right place. Then they wont fuck sober raving. > That is such a harsh thing to say as well, "Fuck sober raving" One >might say "fuck work," or "fuck life" which would lead to saying "fuck >sober raving" I say "fuck niccotine, it's controlled me for a long >time, so fuck it," or I say "fuck that," while not having anything in >specific that would be fucked by me. I can also say that I have been >"fucked over, fucked up, fucked by the law, fucked by El nino, fucked >up, and fucked up." I'm done with all those fucks eccept for "fuck >sober raving" If you had said "make love to sober raving," then we >probably wouldn't be having this discussion. > Last thoughts >Learn from the list, don't bash it. The biggest word that I have >learned to know recently is *accept* Accept the things in life that you >can't change, and understand the things in life that you can change, and >change them. > >Make love to the rain, :P >Danny > > >>From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 23 >20:42:52 1997 >>Received: (qmail 7421 invoked by uid 6000); 24 Nov 1997 04:42:46 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 7402 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 04:42:44 -0000 >>Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) >> by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 04:42:44 -0000 >>Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) >> by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA27722 >> for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:42:41 -0800 (PST) >>Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971123204357.0069e49c@sfsu.edu> >>X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu >>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) >>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:43:57 -0800 >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>From: VespaRaver >>Subject: Fuck Sober Raving >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >>Precedence: bulk >> >>I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! What is >the >>fucking point of going on and on about it for days and days and days?!? >I >>signed onto this list to here people talk about raving and to get >different >>opinions and perspectives on different things. What I did NOT sign up >for >>this list for was to have 70 e-mails a day of people arguing back and >forth >>over the same damn thing! You people need to get over it! It's not >>interesting anymore! >> VespaRaver =( >> >> >>================================================= >>************************************************* >> "One in three must find some peace." >>************************************************* >>================================================= >> > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:20:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15071 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:20:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 15060 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:20:11 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:20:11 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA13410; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:19:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca2-23.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.87) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013384; Tue Nov 25 12:18:37 1997 Message-ID: <347B166B.4A8F17E1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:18:19 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hayden CC: sfraves Subject: Re: Location for: The SPIRIT of Giving References: <3479DF0E.242EBC7E@ix.netcom.com> <347A6460.74645103@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Paul Hayden wrote: > Vlad, you seriously need to go and get some help if you think EVERYONE > loves this spot. It's dirty! It's too big to find anyone! $15 is not > affordable! $10 is. Hi Paul.... Maybe youre thinking of a diferent location... cause this one sure isn't 'dirty'. as a matter of fact, its the cleanest, nor is it 'too big'... its Just Right :) And tickets are only $10 if you go to Bigfloor the folowing night... cause you get $5 discount with the presale ticket stub. Keep it real... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:29:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19375 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:29:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 19359 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:29:33 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:29:33 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA10066 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:29:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca2-23.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.87) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010050; Tue Nov 25 12:28:35 1997 Message-ID: <347B18C1.37E0028C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:28:17 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: Sober Raving @ Spirit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk LOOK.... I don't care what you do, As long as you are respectfull to yourself and those around you. Then there is never a problem. Just don't cross that line... Keep it real.... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:32:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22018 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 21967 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:32:19 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:32:19 -0000 Received: from katiez.vip.best.com (dynamic23.pm06.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.87]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id KAA10219; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:26:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347B1890.CE1C96DC@best.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:27:28 -0800 From: Katie Zitterbart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doreen CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR: a HA! I have found a flaw X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <32992C1F.4317@sonoma.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Doreen wrote: > what the word utility? > utility is a noun (as well as an adjective) > > dont we say 'a utility' instead of 'an utility' ? > Generally, we say a utility much in the same way as a unicorn. This is different than the way we say an uncle - it's not the vowel that starts the word but the phoneme that determines which article you should use. You might want to check with the OED. > have i stumbled upon something here ? Yes - English is one of the hardest languages to learn in the world right now - it's built fron so many different sources - almost all Germanic, but still influenced by the Pacific Islands, South America, etc... that the only real hardfast rule in English is that there is no such thing as a hard and fast rule. Katie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:34:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22853 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:34:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 22837 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:34:46 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:34:46 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp65.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.65]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id LAA29802; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:30:05 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: "Northwest Raves" , Subject: opinions? :) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:27:41 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf9cf$d102cf20$e356dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I am curious to see what you guys think about the following online articles. the first is about transhumanism which may not directly be about raving but it seems like it is to me to some extent http://www.aleph.se/Trans/ the second is about christian raves http://www.huh.net/diary/517.html love kim .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:35:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23814 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:35:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 23798 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:35:07 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:35:07 -0000 Received: from katiez.vip.best.com (dynamic23.pm06.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.87]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id KAA19627; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:29:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347B1931.88043610@best.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:30:10 -0800 From: Katie Zitterbart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sharif Torpis CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (NRR) sex by the bay X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711251750.AA08491@crl.crl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk chill out. why don't *you* go ahead and send an email to brian about your dissatisfaction with the topics on this list? I'm sure he'll be more than happy to help you out [sorry for the sarcasm, brian - but i'm a little peeved :-)] If you want lists that are only about raves, then get on smaller lists. duh Sharif Torpis wrote: > Welcome to rec.arts.poetry.erotica. Delivered directly to your email > hole. > Brought to you by SFRAVES ... the mailing list that discusses > everything BUT > sfraves. Problem? What problem? > > > LOCAL TALK 3: > > > > SEX BY THE BAY > > > > As we looked at it,,, > > > > we could not describe it. > > > > but we wanted it. we kNEW that. > > > > We wanted to blow it. We wanted to > > > > lick it > > > > crack it > > > > but then some wise-ass got a pin > > > > and deflated our androgynous blow-up doll > > > > with three holes > > > > and 2 poles > > > > so we all went home. > > > > ;] From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:35:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24349 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:35:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 24340 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:35:23 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:35:23 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA10673; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:34:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca2-23.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.87) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010633; Tue Nov 25 12:34:19 1997 Message-ID: <347B1A19.601911F8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:34:01 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Standish CC: jeremy bispo , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Slobber raving References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Michael Standish wrote: > Quoth jeremy bispo: > >Michael don't u spin at parties wit bouncie walk > >ways... and two main rooms... a ambient room and a > >chill room.... or am i wrong?....~jeremy > > Damn right I do. I like big parties. The sound systems are phat, my set > starts on time with no hassle, and best of all the kids at big raves have > hella stylee clothes. In fact, I'm spinning at such a party this Friday. > Although, unless Vlad is keeping secrets, there will be no bouncy castle a > Spirit. :( Michael!!!! You said you wouldn't say anything about the bouncy castle!!!!! So much for the surprise!!!! :) Keep it real... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:42:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27827 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:42:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 27816 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:42:01 -0000 Received: from f97.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.216) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:42:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 16044 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 1997 18:41:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125184134.16043.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:41:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:41:33 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk There are actually six universes, the sixth is called "Danny" and scientists have not even bothered dealing with it *a paradox for the paradoxed* what? mmmmmmmm! that sounds great, I'll call you after I get my toilet paper from the barn I was born in. >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 10:00:49 1997 >Received: (qmail 24740 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 17:40:16 -0000 >Received: (qmail 24591 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 17:40:11 -0000 >Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 17:40:11 -0000 >Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) > by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) > id 0xaOxP-00071G-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:39:31 -0800 >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:39:38 -0800 (PST) >From: *byroni* >X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 >To: Peter Sandifer >cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) >In-Reply-To: >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > > >What is their definition of a "Universe"? Depending on this would >determine how many universes there actually are. > >I bet each of my cheerios in my bowl of cereal has 10-12 universes.... you >never know... > >Just a thought... or two..... or three... > >Byroni > >On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Peter Sandifer wrote: > >> I've been watching "Steven Hawkins Universe" on PBS, and on the last >> episode, they were talking about how physicists & astronomers have found 5 >> different ways of defining our Universe. (I only caught the tail end, so I >> don't actually know what the 5 methods are) >> >> But the point they made is that these 5 ways of defining the Universe seem >> to work. Only, they can't work /with/ each other, they can only work >> independantly of each other. >> >> So there is this theory that there are actually FIVE universes intertwined, >> and we are only ONE of them. Well, actually, there could be innumerable >> Universes, science has only been able to define five. >> >> W o w . >> >> >> Anyone know anything else about this? >> >> >> b >> o >> o >> m >> e >> r >> a >> n >> g H >> ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr >> ARETH >> EFACTSYO >> UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- >> >> \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// >> "...the end of all our exploring >> will be to arrive where we started >> and know the place for the first time." >> - t.s. eliot >> >> >> > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:48:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1108 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:48:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 1067 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:48:13 -0000 Received: from mrin41.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin41.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.151) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:48:13 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA14946; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:47:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:47:40 -0500 (EST) From: Xotchil8@aol.com Message-ID: <971125134739_-1474641110@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: stuff@hooked.net, meherr@wenet.net, ledesma@sfsu.edu cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Underground House Movement Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey you guys Carlos did it on Friday night at Love his set was the bomb baby!! Were you guys there??? One Love, Lena :-)3 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:50:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3902 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:50:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 3874 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:49:59 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:49:59 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA16847; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:48:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca2-23.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.87) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016832; Tue Nov 25 12:48:40 1997 Message-ID: <347B1D76.F3788850@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:48:22 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lara at vibe.org" CC: dOpE , Matt Schwartz , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: "Spirit" Meeting place? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well, I definetly want to make sure I run into everyone, so if you all want, I will be at the FGE booth at 2am for at least 30 minuits, if anyone wants to stop by and say hello... thats were i'll be. If you guys want a good meting spot that would probaly be the place. Keep it real.... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:51:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5078 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:51:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 5066 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:51:19 -0000 Received: from mrin83.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin83.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.193) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:51:19 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin83.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA00857; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:50:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:50:51 -0500 (EST) From: Xotchil8@aol.com Message-ID: <971125135050_-1909464021@mrin83.mail.aol.com> To: ech@hooked.net, mbreedlo@gene.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: I need a BOMB ASS PARTY on NOVEMBER 28 or 29 (I pref 28th) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk go to big floor on Sat.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yaand bring lots of good vibes too.... :-)3 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 18:55:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6226 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 18:55:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 6199 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 18:55:23 -0000 Received: from muspelheim.pc.cs.cmu.edu (HELO avalon.slackers.net) (skoop@128.2.204.80) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 18:55:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (skoop@localhost) by avalon.slackers.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13947; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:55:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:55:16 -0500 (EST) From: jimg/skoop To: AH cc: sfraves , IDM List Subject: mouse on mars Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Last night I went to see stereolab thanks to a friend of mine who had an extra ticket. A band called Plush opened, along with MoM. MoM were excellent...I've been waiting to see live electronic music like that for a number of years now, and I feel much better. I would encourage anyone who has the chance to see them to do so. Ah, main pieces of gear spotted were TB-303, TB-606, Jomox Xbase 09, Maestro Lovetone, Mackie 1202VLZ, and sundry effects. They did 4 tracks...first two were wacky experimental-y techno, last two were d'n'b, almost jungly stuff. Very very cool overall. I feel much better now. -jimg --skoop@slackers.net --http://www.slackers.net/~skoop From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:00:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9604 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:00:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 9594 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:00:02 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:00:02 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-201.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.201]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id LAA04709 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:00:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347B215A.5A76@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:04:58 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: pink floyd remixes References: <19971125.094647.5903.1.ldylove@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ldylove@juno.com wrote: > > This goes out to who ever asked about Pink Floyd remixed into techno or > what ever it was ( I thnk I erased the message somewhere in the 156 I > down loaded last night) > > I just heard these two discs of bootleg "trance remixes" of Mettle and > Wish You Were Here. They're definitely not done by the Orb as is often > rumored ... probably just a fan with some gear and too much time on his > hands ... but they are good nonetheless! > > Has anybody else heard these anywhere? > > RLove I am the one that asked about this. Do you have the name of these tapes or the person who mixed them? ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish the seer of a flower is also a flower From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:10:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13800 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:10:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 13791 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:10:32 -0000 Received: from mail.crl.com (165.113.1.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:10:32 -0000 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id LAA24350 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:10:28 -0800 (PST) env-from (storpis@crl.com) Received: by crl.crl.com id AA13446 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for sfraves@hyperreal.org); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:01:48 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199711251901.AA13446@crl.crl.com> Subject: Track ID To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:01:48 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Anyone know the drum & bass track that makes extensive use of Irish fiddles (?) ... known to be played a lot at Katie O'Brien's ... quite beautiful too ... thanks for any info From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:21:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19694 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:21:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 19683 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:21:33 -0000 Received: from mrin42.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin42.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.152) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:21:33 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin42.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA23402; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:21:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:21:04 -0500 (EST) From: ASYDFANMAN@aol.com Message-ID: <971125142102_2119287048@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: fish1111@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: my shpiel (sp?) : -P Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I have to agree with the fish on this one. If we all thought the same things, ate the same foods, had the same vacations, wouldn't things be boring ? a little war makes life interesting, don't you think? good bad or indifferent, our differences make us a stronger community, and thats what makes us people. love, Carl From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:26:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22162 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:26:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22140 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:25:59 -0000 Received: from mail.kmd-arch.com (205.227.254.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:25:59 -0000 Received: by mail.kmd-arch.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:30:12 -0800 Message-ID: <813DAFD97A07D1118F4100A024978E2704EC95@mail.kmd-arch.com> From: "Thomas, Cassandra" To: ASYDFANMAN@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: my shpiel (sp?) : -P Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:30:11 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You could also look at it that if nobody on this list argued about stuff , it would mean nobody cared about this community :) C. > ---------- > From: ASYDFANMAN@aol.com[SMTP:ASYDFANMAN@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 11:21 AM > To: fish1111@pacbell.net; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: my shpiel (sp?) : -P > > I have to agree with the fish on this one. > If we all thought the same things, ate the same foods, > had the same vacations, wouldn't things be boring ? > a little war makes life interesting, don't you think? > good bad or indifferent, our differences make us a stronger > community, > and thats what makes us people. > > love, Carl > > or > you.> > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:29:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23722 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:29:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 23712 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:29:55 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:29:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125192403.16640.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [153.35.239.149] by web1; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:24:03 PST Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:24:03 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: nrr-inxsed To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk so-not having a tv I have been cut off from the details of this- but someone at work said that michael hutchins or what ever his name was- was reported to have died from autoerotic asphixiation- was he pulling my leg? pjf From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:30:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24844 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:30:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 24834 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:30:29 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:30:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125192805.28416.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [153.35.239.149] by attach1; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:28:05 PST Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:28:05 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: nrr-inxsed To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk so-not having a tv I have been cut off from the details of this- but someone at work said that michael hutchins or what ever his name was- was reported to have died from autoerotic asphixiation- was he pulling my leg? pjf From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:30:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25378 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:30:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 25299 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:30:44 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:30:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125192443.16784.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [153.35.239.149] by web1; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:24:43 PST Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:24:43 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: nrr-inxsed To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk so-not having a tv I have been cut off from the details of this- but someone at work said that michael hutchins or what ever his name was- was reported to have died from autoerotic asphixiation- was he pulling my leg? pjf From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:31:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26273 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:31:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 26260 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:31:21 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:31:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125192905.10940.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [153.35.239.149] by web4; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:29:05 PST Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:29:05 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: nrr-inxsed To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk so-not having a tv I have been cut off from the details of this- but someone at work said that michael hutchins or what ever his name was- was reported to have died from auto e r o t i c asphixiation- was he pulling my leg? pjf p.s. I am trying to get this letter past surfwatch which is attempting to censor my letter From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:36:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29472 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:36:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 29456 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:36:21 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:36:21 -0000 Received: from jeff.utron.com ([208.138.43.35]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00521 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:36:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Mr nStuff @ Work" To: Subject: Looking for tables. Need to know where to go TOMORROW Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:35:19 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf9d9$43921d80$232b8ad0@jeff.utron.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01BCF996.356EDD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BCF996.356EDD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey peoples. I thought I would post on the list again. I need to find = two turntables (no mic) for purchase tomorrow. Who has them in stock? = What is the price? Who is open the day before Thanks Giving? Thanx! Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BCF996.356EDD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey peoples. I thought I would post = on the list=20 again. I need to find two turntables (no mic) for purchase tomorrow. Who = has=20 them in stock? What is the price? Who is open the day before Thanks=20 Giving?
 
 
 
 
Thanx!
Jeff
 
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BCF996.356EDD80-- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:37:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 239 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:37:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 230 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:37:05 -0000 Received: from galaxy.galstar.com (anarchy@204.251.80.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:37:05 -0000 Received: (from anarchy@localhost) by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06745 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:37:00 -0600 (CST) From: "U.A.A." Message-Id: <199711251937.NAA06745@galaxy.galstar.com> Subject: Re: nrr-inxsed To: sfraves@hyperreal.org (controlled chaos) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:37:00 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <19971125192905.10940.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> from "pj fuzzy" at Nov 25, 97 11:29:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I am not sure of all of the details but yes he was found dead in his hotel room nekkid hanging from his belt. The aull the reports said that he wasn't depressed and in fact was very happy the last time they all talked to him. My first guess was that he died as a result of Auto-Erotic asphyxiation but the reported failed to comment on that --Herb = ) > > so-not having a tv I have been cut off from the > details of this- but someone at work said that > michael hutchins or what ever his name was- was > reported to have died from auto e r o t i c > asphixiation- was he pulling my leg? > > pjf > > p.s. I am trying to get this letter past surfwatch > which is attempting to censor my letter > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:42:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4176 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:42:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 4168 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:42:45 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:42:45 -0000 Received: from jeff.utron.com ([208.138.43.35]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02184; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:40:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Mr nStuff @ Work" To: "Ray Vonie" Cc: "sfraves" Subject: Re: Location for: The SPIRIT of Giving Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:40:39 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf9da$024515c0$232b8ad0@jeff.utron.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Good point Vlad, That location is clean. It's the first place I noticed people doing that sliding dance thingie. You know, where they look like there figure skating across the floor. That's pretty cool. Slip sliding in the rain. I think thoughs little rooms could use alittle kitty litter on the floor maybe? It's like TOO slippery in some of the smaller rooms. I am thinking about cancelling my plans for the weekend though, IF the big room will be open. Will the "BIG" room be open Vlad? Jeff - putting people on the spot... Will it? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:48:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6824 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:48:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 6815 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:48:53 -0000 Received: from mail2.zocalo.net (HELO mail.zocalo.net) (157.22.1.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:48:53 -0000 Received: from niles.com ([157.22.229.200]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19555 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02554; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:42:20 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:51:16 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > I've been watching "Steven Hawkins Universe" on PBS, and on the last > episode, they were talking about how physicists & astronomers have found 5 > different ways of defining our Universe. (I only caught the tail end, so I > don't actually know what the 5 methods are) > > But the point they made is that these 5 ways of defining the Universe seem > to work. Only, they can't work /with/ each other, they can only work > independantly of each other. > > So there is this theory that there are actually FIVE universes intertwined, > and we are only ONE of them. Well, actually, there could be innumerable > Universes, science has only been able to define five. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: xxxxx@xxx.xxx said: NRR == non rave related that means u shouldn't post it to SFRAVES because SFRAVES *is* rave related please try the astronomy newsgroups ... or search for Hawkins with Altavista or Yahoo thanx for not wasting bandwidth and respecting the SFRAVES list ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Yo XXXXX, It IS actually rave-related when you think about it. it doesn't actually pertain to a particular rave, or a promoter, or a mixtape, but raving for me, as well as for many other people, offers insights into the creation of the universe and of humanity's place in the universe. A raver, while dancing, often feels as if her or his soul is travelling to parallel universes, or experiencing the moment of creation; a memory of the prenatal universe, before the Big Bang, when everything was in perfect balance. So, you bet your sweet fucking ass that a scientific theory of multiple universes is related to raving and what ravers experience. It is important to people who question whether what they experience at a rave is a delusion, or something of scientific and spiritual significance. I wrote "NRR" so Einsteins like you can filter it right into the trash. b))merang From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 19:55:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8927 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 19:55:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 8910 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 19:55:13 -0000 Received: from mail.kmd-arch.com (205.227.254.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 19:55:13 -0000 Received: by mail.kmd-arch.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:59:37 -0800 Message-ID: <813DAFD97A07D1118F4100A024978E2704EC9C@mail.kmd-arch.com> From: "Thomas, Cassandra" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: FW: Five Universes Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:59:36 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I am glad somebody mentioned this in the list because I have been thinking a lot about this topic too... especially when I have been raving (which I might add I have not done since August and which I need to do this weekend so see you out there :) with much love, C. > ---------- > From: Lomangino, Nicole > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 11:49 AM > To: Thomas, Cassandra > > C. > > You should check this site out. > > http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/html/home.html > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 20:00:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11410 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 20:00:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 11402 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 20:00:41 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 20:00:41 -0000 Received: from katiez.vip.best.com (dynamic23.pm06.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.87]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id LAA28653; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:57:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347B2DD1.DE92D43@best.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:58:12 -0800 From: Katie Zitterbart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "U.A.A." CC: controlled chaos Subject: Re: nrr-inxsed X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711251937.NAA06745@galaxy.galstar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Since I haven't heard anything about a suicide note, I'm inclined to believe it *was*, indeed, autoerotic asphyxiation. This makes me very, very concerned for the younger listizens who may not know how to accomplish this w/o killing themselves. EDUCATE YOURSELF - no orgasm is worth dying over - that goes for eroticism between people, too. http://www.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Sexuality/Activities_and_Practices/Erotic_Asphyxiation/ Kate U.A.A. wrote: > I am not sure of all of the details but yes he was found dead in his > hotel > room nekkid hanging from his belt. The aull the reports said that he > wasn't > depressed and in fact was very happy the last time they all talked to > him. > > My first guess was that he died as a result of Auto-Erotic > asphyxiation > but the reported failed to comment on that > > --Herb > = ) > > > > > so-not having a tv I have been cut off from the > > details of this- but someone at work said that > > michael hutchins or what ever his name was- was > > reported to have died from auto e r o t i c > > asphixiation- was he pulling my leg? > > > > pjf > > > > p.s. I am trying to get this letter past surfwatch > > which is attempting to censor my letter > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 20:21:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17591 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 20:21:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 17580 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 20:21:05 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 20:21:05 -0000 Received: from shorvitz.pbi.net (csota-206-171-132-175.csota.pbi.net [206.171.132.175]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA09019 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:21:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711252021.MAA09019@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> X-Sender: sutekh@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro 4.0 Beta 7 (build 224) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:19:21 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Seth Subject: BSP: Inhabit the Machines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I apologize if this is a repeat post, I wasn't sure the last one made it through... This Monday, December 1, I will be throwing a little shindig at the Bahia Cabana with a live performance by Scottish duo Neil Landstrumm and Tobias Schmidt, two of the most talented techno producers around. They have recorded for a ton of labels, including Tresor, Peacefrog, Scandinavia, Mosquito, Telepathic, Missile, Sativae... the list goes on. Also djing will be Dave Tarrida, founder of Sativae records. This will be a great chance to see international talent in a small, intimate setting for only 5 bucks! Here's the scoop: Monday, December 1 INHABIT THE MACHINES Neil Landstrumm and Tobias Schmidt LIVE djs Dave Tarrida, Jon Williams, Sutekh Sound by Gateway Systems 9pm-2am at Bahia Cabana 1600 Market at Franklin $5 cover, 18 and over. info: 415-979-3005 Here are some places to find more information on these artists: http://www.demon.co.uk/Tangent/nofuture/ http://www.ednet.co.uk/~ehx/databass.htm Hope to see you there! -Seth |||| d j . s u t e k h |||| b e l i e f - s y s t e m s |||| o a k l a n d . c a . u s a |||| http://www.belief-systems.com |||| http://www.nodeone.com/static From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 20:25:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19703 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 20:25:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 19694 invoked by uid 24); 25 Nov 1997 20:25:47 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971125120038.009377a0@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:00:38 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: (NRR) sex by the bay In-Reply-To: <347B1931.88043610@best.com> References: <199711251750.AA08491@crl.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk For the record, I do think there's *waaay* too much NRR stuff on sfraves these days. Particularly messages like the one that started this thread - wtf? Nothing wrong with a little irreverance and fun - but keep in mind the huge number of other folks out here who don't care about your androgynous blowup doll. And if you're going to post something off-topic, could it at least be humorous? Now, of course, this'll start a big long thread about what's appropriate and what's not, with folks staunchly defending their right to free speech and others launching into calls for moderation and killfiles. Or, we could decide not to do that... Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig brian@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 20:25:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19949 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 20:25:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 19729 invoked by uid 24); 25 Nov 1997 20:25:49 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971125120330.00920eb0@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:03:30 -0800 To: Sharif Torpis , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: Track ID In-Reply-To: <199711251901.AA13446@crl.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 11:01 AM 11/25/97 -0800, Sharif Torpis wrote: >Anyone know the drum & bass track that makes extensive use of Irish >fiddles (?) ... known to be played a lot at Katie O'Brien's ... quite >beautiful too ... thanks for any info Wouldn't this be more appropriate to ask on the drum-n-bass list? or maybe the sfjungle list? Only half-serious - just making a point! Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig brian@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 20:26:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20800 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 20:26:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 20792 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 20:26:37 -0000 Received: from mrin45.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin45.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.155) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 20:26:37 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA04397; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:26:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:26:09 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971125152608_1339786374@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: ledesma@sfsu.edu, mercutio73@rocketmail.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Fuck Sober Raving Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-25 01:55:28 EST, ledesma@sfsu.edu (VespaRaver) writes: << And I don't need another 50 e-mails bitching at me. >> Honey we most of us take this list seriously so all I have to say is when you make a post like that you gotta expect some replies....like 50 of them.....sorry<3*mushyB! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 20:39:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27279 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 20:39:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 27271 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 20:39:17 -0000 Received: from mrin86.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin86.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.196) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 20:39:17 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA06186; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:38:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:38:50 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971125153849_-837571695@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: pjfuzzy@rocketmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: thanksgiving.....><{{{*>~ Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey everybody!!!!!!!!!!! I was wondering what everyone was doing for thanksgiving....does everyone have somewhere to go? I just want to make sure that no one is going to be alone this thanksgiving because that would make me sad:( <3 *MushyB! or Melissa XXxxXxXxOOoOooOOoooOoOOXXXXXxxxXXxxOOoooOoOoOXXxxxXxxXxOoooOooO OOooOooOoXXxXXx XXxxXxxXOOoOOooo OOooOooXXxXxxOOooOooXXxxXxxOOoOo From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 20:45:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29476 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 20:45:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 29458 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 20:45:06 -0000 Received: from ftp.hyperimage.com (HELO mail.magicarts.com) (204.153.193.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 20:45:06 -0000 Received: from luna (208.128.205.208) by mail.magicarts.com (WorldMail 1.3.122) for sfraves@hyperreal.org; 25 Nov 1997 12:42:45 -0800 From: "adama" To: "SFRaves" Subject: Static? Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:41:25 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf9e2$7f3276b0$d0cd80d0@luna.magicarts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I've never been to Static and was thinking about going tonight. NE body know what it's like? I prefer unbiased reviews. Adam From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 20:49:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1815 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 20:49:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 1804 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 20:49:02 -0000 Received: from mail4.geocities.com (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.24) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 20:49:02 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (sjx-ca50-06.ix.netcom.com [206.214.103.134]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04010; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:48:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347B3AA4.1290AE75@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:52:53 -0800 From: Paul Hayden Organization: The Wonder Crew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Vonie CC: SCOTT DAVID LASSITER , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Actual Loc. of Spirit References: <347B15A8.78566940@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Spirit will be held at the wonderfull HOME BASE in Oakland. Directions: take all possible freeways to 880 Oakland. Exit Haggeburger road. Make Left. Make Right. Home Base will be on your left accross the street from a Gas Station & Taco Bell. Love, Paul*E*Wog P.S. Thanks for puttin Wonder on the buzzline. Ray Vonie wrote: > > Welcome to the Bay area Rave Scene.... > > Bigfloor is going to be a great party. I cannot coment on the location, but I > do know that its a Wonderfull spot. In adition, If you get a presale ticket to > Spirit, you get $5 of with the ticket stub at bigfloor! Hope to see you at both > parties, and have a great Thanksgiving. > > Keep it real.. Vlad > > SCOTT DAVID LASSITER wrote: > > > Hi, > > I am up here from LA for the holiday and want to attend A New Beginning > > being put on by Bigfloor. I saw them mentioned in this thread and it's > > the only thing I've heard so far on this list about that rave. Is this > > the same location mentioned for the Giving? > > > > I would really appreciate any information anyone could give about New > > Beginning. I am only familiar with SoCal raves, and new to even that. So > > I know nothing about the producer, location, etc, only what I read from > > their web-page. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Unity, > > Scott > > > > On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Paul Hayden wrote: > > > > > Vlad, you seriously need to go and get some help if you think EVERYONE > > > loves this spot. It's dirty! It's too big to find anyone! $15 is not > > > affordable! $10 is. > > > Love, > > > Paul*E*Wog > > > > > > Ray Vonie wrote: > > > > > > > > Many people have been hounding me for the location of this party. > > > > Normally We like to keep people in suspense about the location... it > > > > adds to that underground feeling, so I'm not going to come out and say > > > > it. BUT, i will give some clues :) > > > > > > > > 1. It is in Oakland > > > > 2. It is Very Close to Coliseum BART Station. > > > > 3. It is Very Close to freeway 880 > > > > 4. There has not been a party there since late August. > > > > 5. Everyone loves this spot. > > > > 6. It is indoor and outdoor > > > > 7. It is the same location were Spirit was last year. > > > > 8. 20k sqft of this 70k sqft facility will be used for This Party. > > > > 9. It is rare to have such an affordable party at this location. > > > > (practically a miracle) > > > > 10. This facility has Solid Walls, and does not require generators. > > > > 11. It is also known as the "Oakland International RAVE Center" > > > > > > > > If you guessed by the first 3 clues then you are a veteran raver. > > > > If you didn't figure it out until the 7th clue, then you are a new bee > > > > raver. > > > > If you still haven't gotten it.... than all I can say is..... welcome to > > > > the undreground :) > > > > > > > > ALSO... Keep in mind that Many of the ticket outlets will be closed on > > > > Thanksgiving Thursday. so to take advantage of the $15 Advance ticket > > > > and the $5 savings at Bigfloor, you should plan on geting your tix > > > > before stores close this Wednesday Night. > > > > > > > > for more info please click on these links: > > > > Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html > > > > Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html > > > > > > > > Keep it Real... Vlad > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 20:55:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3789 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 20:55:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 3765 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 20:55:35 -0000 Received: from mail.crl.com (165.113.1.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 20:55:35 -0000 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id MAA18921; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:55:30 -0800 (PST) env-from (storpis@crl.com) Received: by crl.crl.com id AA18435 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:40:17 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199711252040.AA18435@crl.crl.com> Subject: Re: Track ID To: brian@hyperreal.org (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:40:14 -0800 (PST) Cc: storpis@crl.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971125120330.00920eb0@hyperreal.org> from "Brian Behlendorf" at Nov 25, 97 12:03:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > At 11:01 AM 11/25/97 -0800, Sharif Torpis wrote: > >Anyone know the drum & bass track that makes extensive use of Irish > >fiddles (?) ... known to be played a lot at Katie O'Brien's ... quite > >beautiful too ... thanks for any info > > Wouldn't this be more appropriate to ask on the drum-n-bass list? or maybe > the sfjungle list? > > Only half-serious - just making a point! > > Brian You're comparing an androgynous doll to a D&B track question? You really don't understand do you? You aren't making any point at all ... you are now being patronizing and facetious and sarcastic. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:01:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6061 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:01:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 6048 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 21:01:14 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 21:01:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (andy@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA15560; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:00:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: AndyW X-Sender: andy@atari Reply-To: AndyW To: Paul Hayden cc: Ray Vonie , SCOTT DAVID LASSITER , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit In-Reply-To: <347B3AA4.1290AE75@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Keep outing locations to the list... you'll get REALLY popular really quick. Peace. On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Paul Hayden wrote: > Spirit will be held at the wonderfull HOME BASE in Oakland. > Directions: take all possible freeways to 880 Oakland. > Exit Haggeburger road. Make Left. Make Right. Home Base will be on your > left accross the street from a Gas Station & Taco Bell. > Love, > Paul*E*Wog > > P.S. Thanks for puttin Wonder on the buzzline. > > Ray Vonie wrote: > > > > Welcome to the Bay area Rave Scene.... > > > > Bigfloor is going to be a great party. I cannot coment on the location, but I > > do know that its a Wonderfull spot. In adition, If you get a presale ticket to > > Spirit, you get $5 of with the ticket stub at bigfloor! Hope to see you at both > > parties, and have a great Thanksgiving. > > > > Keep it real.. Vlad > > > > SCOTT DAVID LASSITER wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > I am up here from LA for the holiday and want to attend A New Beginning > > > being put on by Bigfloor. I saw them mentioned in this thread and it's > > > the only thing I've heard so far on this list about that rave. Is this > > > the same location mentioned for the Giving? > > > > > > I would really appreciate any information anyone could give about New > > > Beginning. I am only familiar with SoCal raves, and new to even that. So > > > I know nothing about the producer, location, etc, only what I read from > > > their web-page. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Unity, > > > Scott > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Paul Hayden wrote: > > > > > > > Vlad, you seriously need to go and get some help if you think EVERYONE > > > > loves this spot. It's dirty! It's too big to find anyone! $15 is not > > > > affordable! $10 is. > > > > Love, > > > > Paul*E*Wog > > > > > > > > Ray Vonie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Many people have been hounding me for the location of this party. > > > > > Normally We like to keep people in suspense about the location... it > > > > > adds to that underground feeling, so I'm not going to come out and say > > > > > it. BUT, i will give some clues :) > > > > > > > > > > 1. It is in Oakland > > > > > 2. It is Very Close to Coliseum BART Station. > > > > > 3. It is Very Close to freeway 880 > > > > > 4. There has not been a party there since late August. > > > > > 5. Everyone loves this spot. > > > > > 6. It is indoor and outdoor > > > > > 7. It is the same location were Spirit was last year. > > > > > 8. 20k sqft of this 70k sqft facility will be used for This Party. > > > > > 9. It is rare to have such an affordable party at this location. > > > > > (practically a miracle) > > > > > 10. This facility has Solid Walls, and does not require generators. > > > > > 11. It is also known as the "Oakland International RAVE Center" > > > > > > > > > > If you guessed by the first 3 clues then you are a veteran raver. > > > > > If you didn't figure it out until the 7th clue, then you are a new bee > > > > > raver. > > > > > If you still haven't gotten it.... than all I can say is..... welcome to > > > > > the undreground :) > > > > > > > > > > ALSO... Keep in mind that Many of the ticket outlets will be closed on > > > > > Thanksgiving Thursday. so to take advantage of the $15 Advance ticket > > > > > and the $5 savings at Bigfloor, you should plan on geting your tix > > > > > before stores close this Wednesday Night. > > > > > > > > > > for more info please click on these links: > > > > > Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html > > > > > Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html > > > > > > > > > > Keep it Real... Vlad > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:12:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10092 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:12:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 10083 invoked by uid 24); 25 Nov 1997 21:12:26 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971125123950.008f27d0@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:39:50 -0800 To: Leslie Ayres , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: plurity In-Reply-To: References: <199711202349.PAA24634@mom.hooked.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 04:39 PM 11/20/97 -0800, Leslie Ayres wrote: >try stepping out of your single point of vision of the scene.... and >understand that it was here before you, it will be here after you.... and >just because *you* may become cynical and disenchanted, it does not mean >the entire rave scene is feeling the same way. and just because things ebb >and flow, change and evolve, does not mean they are dead. There was something said to me by one Arthur Chandler (who as best I can tell is still on this list :) which made about ten thousand things come into focus for me. He was telling me about the hippies in the 60's, about how through their psychedelics-induced visions of God in GG Park had started to have identity crises, they hit the existential wall of "what next?"... what he told me was a Zen koan: Chopping wood before enlightenment, chopping wood after enlightenment. Like most koans, it's hard to even explain what this means in straightforward language. There are about 20 different layers to it that I see or have related to things in my life. I'll relate it to this thread by saying it suggests to me that one shouldn't see life as evolving towards some great pinnacle; but that instead it's the experience of travelling through life, and what you make of it while travelling, which is the big deal. I think we've all had our points of "enlightenment" in the scene at different times; we've all felt like things were peaking and then just as suddenly we felt corruption and decay set in; most of us who have been here awhile have scene this happen a number of times, enough to see that like *everything*, it's cyclic, and everyone's cycle is different. Something like that. Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig brian@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:12:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10452 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:12:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 10094 invoked by uid 24); 25 Nov 1997 21:12:27 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971125130438.008f2100@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:04:38 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: about this list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk To paraphrase Tim Leary, What SFRAVES is, is UP TO YOU. Just as you could really never throw a party to make everyone happy, it's impossible to have a mailing list which covers such a wide range as SFRaves where everyone feels every message was worth the time it took to download. However, splintering the list sounds like a really bad idea too. SO.... We need to learn how to get along with each other. We need to recognize that this isn't just an events notification service (if you want that, subscribe to sfraves), isn't just a DJ-identification service or ride-to-party service. This is a discussion forum for rave culture in the northern california SF bay area. What is discussion about culture? It's talk about the parties, it's talk about the music and DJ's, but it's also talk about the personalities, both off and on the list, and in the best of all worlds, it's its own culture, one which fractalizes into new parties and communities. This list is going to be noisy, by necessity; raving is about far more than just showing up at a warehouse one night and dancing. Raving is far more personal than most other endeavors, and as the ultimate subjective experience, set, setting, and state of mind are all necessary for context. Anecdotes are the lifeblood of the list. Remember that what's noise to you could be a trigger for another person's earth-shattering thought. Fortunately, there are a wide array of tools, even free ones, to filter the "noise" - almost any mail client out there can filter out messages based on the sender or content of the message. Do yourself a favor and seek them out and learn how to use them. HOWEVER The fact that there are such tools isn't an excuse to be thoughtless about what you post. "Just hit delete" is also not entirely a solution, since everyone has to download it anyways, and we're not all on ISDN connections yet! (I'm still on 28.8 at home, btw). Before you hit that "send" button, please think about what you're sending, and if it might be better as a private message. Realize there are 475 people on the sfraves list who will be getting your message. With that tremendous power of distribution also comes a degree of responsibility. Overall I'm *extremely* happy with what SFRaves is, and has been over the last 5 years. I'm still subscribed and reading it obviously :) The thread on "respect" has been tremendously cool, as have been many other recent messages. Thoughts? Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig brian@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:15:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11387 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:15:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 11379 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 21:15:13 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 21:15:13 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xaSK0-00056q-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:15:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:15:07 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Paul Hayden cc: Ray Vonie , SCOTT DAVID LASSITER , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit In-Reply-To: <347B3AA4.1290AE75@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk YES! I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to Spirit. Mannnn. It's going to be grreat. A bunch of my buddies are spinning, almost all my friends are goin, and it's at Home Base... Daddy's excited.... We definately need to make a meeting point for this one.... we need to make an SFraves table in the future.... with laminates, drug information (Just say know), etc, etc etc. I think that would be good.... How about this one?? Everyone that dresses up as a turkey gets in free?? Haha.... aaaah. Neon, neon, neon,...... back to work.... Byroni ps. Weather conditions are clear as we descend into Atlantis... On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Paul Hayden wrote: > Spirit will be held at the wonderfull HOME BASE in Oakland. > Directions: take all possible freeways to 880 Oakland. > Exit Haggeburger road. Make Left. Make Right. Home Base will be on your > left accross the street from a Gas Station & Taco Bell. > Love, > Paul*E*Wog > > P.S. Thanks for puttin Wonder on the buzzline. > > Ray Vonie wrote: > > > > Welcome to the Bay area Rave Scene.... > > > > Bigfloor is going to be a great party. I cannot coment on the location, but I > > do know that its a Wonderfull spot. In adition, If you get a presale ticket to > > Spirit, you get $5 of with the ticket stub at bigfloor! Hope to see you at both > > parties, and have a great Thanksgiving. > > > > Keep it real.. Vlad > > > > SCOTT DAVID LASSITER wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > I am up here from LA for the holiday and want to attend A New Beginning > > > being put on by Bigfloor. I saw them mentioned in this thread and it's > > > the only thing I've heard so far on this list about that rave. Is this > > > the same location mentioned for the Giving? > > > > > > I would really appreciate any information anyone could give about New > > > Beginning. I am only familiar with SoCal raves, and new to even that. So > > > I know nothing about the producer, location, etc, only what I read from > > > their web-page.. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Unity, > > > Scott > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Paul Hayden wrote: > > > > > > > Vlad, you seriously need to go and get some help if you think EVERYONE > > > > loves this spot. It's dirty! It's too big to find anyone! $15 is not > > > > affordable! $10 is. > > > > Love, > > > > Paul*E*Wog > > > > > > > > Ray Vonie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Many people have been hounding me for the location of this party. > > > > > Normally We like to keep people in suspense about the location... it > > > > > adds to that underground feeling, so I'm not going to come out and say > > > > > it. BUT, i will give some clues :) > > > > > > > > > > 1. It is in Oakland > > > > > 2. It is Very Close to Coliseum BART Station. > > > > > 3. It is Very Close to freeway 880 > > > > > 4. There has not been a party there since late August. > > > > > 5. Everyone loves this spot. > > > > > 6. It is indoor and outdoor > > > > > 7. It is the same location were Spirit was last year. > > > > > 8. 20k sqft of this 70k sqft facility will be used for This Party. > > > > > 9. It is rare to have such an affordable party at this location. > > > > > (practically a miracle) > > > > > 10. This facility has Solid Walls, and does not require generators. > > > > > 11. It is also known as the "Oakland International RAVE Center" > > > > > > > > > > If you guessed by the first 3 clues then you are a veteran raver. > > > > > If you didn't figure it out until the 7th clue, then you are a new bee > > > > > raver. > > > > > If you still haven't gotten it.... than all I can say is..... welcome to > > > > > the undreground :) > > > > > > > > > > ALSO... Keep in mind that Many of the ticket outlets will be closed on > > > > > Thanksgiving Thursday. so to take advantage of the $15 Advance ticket > > > > > and the $5 savings at Bigfloor, you should plan on geting your tix > > > > > before stores close this Wednesday Night. > > > > > > > > > > for more info please click on these links: > > > > > Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html > > > > > Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html > > > > > > > > > > Keep it Real... Vlad > > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:17:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12602 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:17:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 12585 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 21:17:26 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 21:17:26 -0000 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) id <01IQFF5W29YO9EDOP3@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:17:20 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Doreen Subject: RE: Five Universes (NRR) To: peter@niles.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <01IQFF5W3VTU9EDOP3@SONOMA.EDU> X-VMS-To: SMTP%"peter@niles.com" SMTP%"sfraves@hyperreal.org" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk you tell em Boom! i think this list is good place talk about anything. it just so happens that we all connected by raving in the s.f. area. ESPECIALLY if you put a 'NRR' tag on it. -doreen From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:21:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14572 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:21:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 14557 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 21:21:19 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 21:21:19 -0000 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) id <01IQFFA7DTAW9EDOP3@SONOMA.EDU>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:21:14 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Doreen Subject: Re: Track ID To: storpis@crl.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, brian@hyperreal.org Message-id: <01IQFFA7E2Y29EDOP3@SONOMA.EDU> X-VMS-To: SMTP%"storpis@crl.com", SMTP%"sfraves@hyperreal.org" SMTP%"brian@hyperreal.org" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk uh oh...c'mon boys (and girls?), not another brawl on this list. we have plenty of theads like that already. -doreen From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:28:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19546 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:28:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 19533 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 21:28:06 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 21:28:06 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xaSWU-0005Uv-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:27:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:28:05 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Brian Behlendorf cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: about this list In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971125130438.008f2100@hyperreal.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm probably one of the people who posts most on here and I take that into consideration when I do a "control-X" in Pine.... (my mail program). But I feel like I'm a pretty animated, goofy, insane, positive, optomistic, childish, straight forward, creative, kinda dude. And I feel like people usually get a kick out of my madness. But I have been refraining from posting about particular things.... especially chemicals... for obvious reasons.... but there are so many other things that are related to raving that are not even discussed here. Just like Brian says, it's so vast. Everyone's experience is different, and in knowing that, we should all have no expectations on what will pop into our inboxes. The fact is that someone took the time (and hopefully thought a little bit) to send out some info to the rest of us. Some things are babble, some are personal and some are even deeper than that. I *LOVE* this list. I feel like it's my link to other crazy people who are on the level. A place where I can speak my mind and people will accept me for who I am. It's a place where you can learn more about others and the rest of the electronic music commmunity. It's our way of never losing contact with eachother. We don't have to worry about not seeing eachother ever again after a awesome party. We can simply login and post! "Send me an e-mail baby!". :) The people on this list make it what it is and from what I can tell we are a very **beautiful** family. There are only a few of you I haven't met (that post often) and I long to meet ya. We share a special connection. "You're on SFraves?", they say with a smile.... yeah, I'm "so-n-so"... hehe. *hug* This list is great. I don't take it for granted and neither should you. Byroni On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > > To paraphrase Tim Leary, > > What SFRAVES is, > > is UP TO YOU. > > Just as you could really never throw a party to make everyone happy, it's > impossible to have a mailing list which covers such a wide range as SFRaves > where everyone feels every message was worth the time it took to download. > However, splintering the list sounds like a really bad idea too. > > SO.... > > We need to learn how to get along with each other. We need to recognize > that this isn't just an events notification service (if you want that, > subscribe to sfraves), isn't just a DJ-identification service or > ride-to-party service. This is a discussion forum for rave culture in the > northern california SF bay area. What is discussion about culture? It's > talk about the parties, it's talk about the music and DJ's, but it's also > talk about the personalities, both off and on the list, and in the best of > all worlds, it's its own culture, one which fractalizes into new parties > and communities. > > This list is going to be noisy, by necessity; raving is about far more than > just showing up at a warehouse one night and dancing. Raving is far more > personal than most other endeavors, and as the ultimate subjective > experience, set, setting, and state of mind are all necessary for context. > Anecdotes are the lifeblood of the list. Remember that what's noise to you > could be a trigger for another person's earth-shattering thought. > > Fortunately, there are a wide array of tools, even free ones, to filter the > "noise" - almost any mail client out there can filter out messages based on > the sender or content of the message. Do yourself a favor and seek them > out and learn how to use them. > > HOWEVER > > The fact that there are such tools isn't an excuse to be thoughtless about > what you post. "Just hit delete" is also not entirely a solution, since > everyone has to download it anyways, and we're not all on ISDN connections > yet! (I'm still on 28.8 at home, btw). Before you hit that "send" button, > please think about what you're sending, and if it might be better as a > private message. Realize there are 475 people on the sfraves list who will > be getting your message. With that tremendous power of distribution also > comes a degree of responsibility. > > Overall I'm *extremely* happy with what SFRaves is, and has been over the > last 5 years. I'm still subscribed and reading it obviously :) The thread > on "respect" has been tremendously cool, as have been many other recent > messages. > > Thoughts? > > Brian > > > --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- > "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig brian@hyperreal.org > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:28:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19925 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:28:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 19887 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 21:28:19 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 21:28:19 -0000 Received: from shorvitz.pbi.net (csota-206-171-132-175.csota.pbi.net [206.171.132.175]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA07688 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:28:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711252128.NAA07688@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> X-Sender: sutekh@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro 4.0 Beta 7 (build 224) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:26:32 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Seth Subject: re: Static? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 12:41 PM 11/25/97 -0800, adama wrote: >I've never been to Static and was thinking about going tonight. NE body know >what it's like? > >I prefer unbiased reviews. > >Adam Well, I can't quite give an unbiased review, since I'm one of the djs :) so I'll try to give more of a description... Static takes place at Liquid, which is a bar, so if you're not into the alcohol thing, it may not be good for you. However, I guarantee they make the best strongest drinks around ;) The space is long and thin, with a smallish dance area at the end that usually gets pretty packed by around midnight. The walls and floor are concrete, and the lighting is minimal, giving it a sort of industrial feel. The crowd tends to be older (since it's a 21+ venue), but very diverse and friendly. Oh, and the music... I guess that's important too... we try not to restrict ourselves to genres if possible. The residents are likely to play anything from dark techstep drum and bass (Re Ach and Quantum23) to minimal techno/tech-house (myself and Darin) to funk and electro (Bre Ad), and our guests have pretty much crossed the whole spectrum. I suppose the only style you're unlikely to find is Goa. Tonight our guest will be Stonie, so the music will be on the housier side, probably with some jungle later on. I hope this info helps you in your decision. I would be happy to see reviews from non-affiliates as well :) -Seth |||| d j . s u t e k h |||| b e l i e f - s y s t e m s |||| o a k l a n d . c a . u s a |||| http://www.belief-systems.com |||| http://www.nodeone.com/static ....................................................................... \\\ fridays noon-3pm on kalx 90.7fm berkeley. ca. \\\ static tuesday nights at liquid. sf. ca. \\\ monday dec 1 .inhabit.the.machines with neil landstrumm and tobias schmidt live, dave tarrida of sativae. sf.ca. info.415.979.3005 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:30:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21763 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:30:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 21754 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 21:30:38 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 21:30:38 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-175.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.175]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA13729 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:30:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347B44A6.59E2@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:35:34 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: if you are going to flame ,do it right. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The FLAMERS BIBLE Origin: Unknown (actually, I wrote the first one a few months ago, but I thought "origin: unknown" looks cool) Revision 1: Dec. 2, 1987 by Joe Talmadge Here, I have attempted to document the Art of Flaming, in such a way as it will be interesting to old hands (flame masters) and novices (virgins) alike. Without a further ado, then, I present: The twelve commandments of flaming 1.Make things up about your opponent: It's important to make your lies sound true. Preface your argument with the word "clearly." "Clearly, Fred Flooney is a liar, and a dirtball to boot." 2.Be an armchair psychologist: You're a smart person. You've heard of Freud. You took a psychology course in college. Clearly, you're qualified to psychoanalyze your opponent. "Polly Purebread, by using the word 'zucchini' in her posting, shows she has a bad case of penis envy." 3.Cross-post your flames: Everyone on the net is just waiting for the next literary masterpiece to leave your terminal. From rec.arts.wobegon to alt.gourmand, they're all holding their breaths until your next flame. Therefore, post everywhere. 4.Conspiracies abound: If everyone's against you, the reason can't possibly be that you're a fuckhead. There's obviously a conspiracy against you, and you will be doing the entire net a favor by exposing it. 5.Lawsuit threats: This is the reverse of Rule #4 (sort of like the Yin & Yang of flaming). Threatening a lawsuit is always considered to be in good form. "By saying that I've posted to the wrong group, Bertha has libeled me, slandered me, and sodomized me. See you in court, Bertha." 6.Force them to document their claims: Even if Harry Hoinkus states outright that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If Newsweek hasn't written an article on Harry's pasta preferences, then Harry's obviously lying. 7.Use foreign phrases: French is good, but Latin is the lingua franca of flaming. You should use the words "ad hominem" at least three times per article. Other favorite Latin phrases are "ad nauseum," "vini, vidi, vici," and "fetuccini alfredo." 8.Tell 'em how smart you are: Why use intelligent arguments to convince them you're smart when all you have to do is tell them? State that you're a member of Mensa or Mega or Dorks of America. Tell them the scores you received on every exam since high school. "I got an 800 on my SATs, LSATs, GREs, MCATs, and I can also spell the word 'premeiotic' ." 9.Accuse your opponent of censorship. It is your right as an American citizen to post whatever the hell you want to the net (as guaranteed by the 37th Amendment, I think). Anyone who tries to limit your cross-posting or move a flame war to email is either a communist, a fascist, or both. 10.Doubt their existence: You've never actually seen your opponent, have you? And since you're the center of the universe, you should have seen them by now, shouldn't you? Therefore, THEY DON'T EXIST! This is the beauty of flamers' logic. 11.Lie, cheat, steal, leave the toilet seat up. 12.When in doubt, insult: If you forget the other 11 rules, remember this one. At some point during your wonderful career as a flamer you will undoubtedly end up in a flame war with someone who is better than you. This person will expose your lies, tear apart your arguments, make you look generally like a bozo. At this point, there's only one thing to do: insult the dirtbag!!! "Oh yeah? Well, your mother does strange things with vegetables." The Golden Rule of Flaming My flames will be witty, insulting, interesting, funny, caustic, or sarcastic, but never, ever, will they be boring. Here endeth the scriptures ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish the seer of a flower is also a flower From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:33:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22558 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:33:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 22548 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 21:33:36 -0000 Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (gchan@206.184.139.138) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 21:33:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (gchan@localhost) by shell7.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07594 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:33:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:33:34 -0800 (PST) From: Curious George To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Goldie at Bimbo's ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Good dinner fare? Is it worth fifteen dollars to hear Goldie, Noel, and Agzilla spin?n? And do you think it will be a good party with bouncy uninhibited people? Or will it have that concert, let's just watch and listen crowd? Is there any way for any of us to know until we get there? Lot's of questions, yes I know. While gazing at some clouds through an oak tree's canopy, a big ? emerged from the layers of leaves, branches, clouds, and blue skies. A message from the universe to cherish and share. geo ~~~ everyone have a good thanksgiving, and when it's over be the one that keep's on giving into the next life. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:48:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1510 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:48:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 1494 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 21:48:50 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 21:48:50 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.124] ([38.248.198.124] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00523 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:51:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bcf9e2$7f3276b0$d0cd80d0@luna.magicarts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:48:47 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Re: Static? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >I've never been to Static and was thinking about going tonight. NE body know >what it's like? > >I prefer unbiased reviews. > > >Adam actually, aren't all opinions based on personal observation, and therefore biased? anyway, i'll try, too (you saw seth's response).... static is at a cool bar, very dark, very urban, with the PHATTEST martinis in the world (they have two sizes, so if you're smart you'll remember that 2 normal size martinis fit into the big glass, which made me feel like a little tiny kid, lifting it with two hands to sip it)... oh, yeah, i'm sure they're happy t serve you soda or beer or something else... but my mouth just forms the word "mmmmmmmm.....mmmaaaa....mmmmmmaaaarrrrtiiniiiii..." before i know what happened. i've always had a good time ... even when i went over the martini limit, they were still nice to me ;^) and you can even dance. and the barstools hurt your butt so you're better off standing up or something. i'll be there. leslie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 21:56:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3925 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 21:56:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 3917 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 21:56:42 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 21:56:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (andy@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA16286; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:56:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:56:27 -0800 (PST) From: AndyW X-Sender: andy@atari Reply-To: AndyW To: Katie Zitterbart cc: "U.A.A." , buck nutty chaos Subject: Re: nrr-inxsed In-Reply-To: <347B2DD1.DE92D43@best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Katie Zitterbart wrote: > Since I haven't heard anything about a suicide note, I'm inclined to > believe it *was*, indeed, autoerotic asphyxiation. > We might know what really happened someday, but until then, I wouldn't hold my breath... Golly, I'm all choked up. Sorry... It's awful whenever anybody passes on, especially a vocalist for a band that helped soundtrack my formative years, but damn... there's gotta be a better way to go. I guess we should all keep in mind that there are thrills that can take us out, including drugs, sex, driving fast, etc. Be careful, your life is significant not only to you, but to people you probably don't even consider. If you're going to do this autoerotic asphyxiation stuff, use one hand for choking yourself and the other for eh... *ahem*... choking yourself to avoid potentially dangerous mishaps like this tragic death. It's tempting to write this one up as an urban myth, but I fear it might not be... Whew... Life is pretty darn funky, and again, he'll be missed. Probably one of the weirdest deaths since the King died on his throne. Peace, AndyW From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 22:33:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15016 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 22:33:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 15002 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA29860; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:32:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971125143412.006a0b40@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:34:12 -0800 To: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." , "Northwest Raves" , From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: opinions? :) In-Reply-To: <01bcf9cf$d102cf20$e356dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I don't particularly care for this whole "Christian Raves" concept. If you want to see exactly what I thought, check the site again and look under feedback. It should be listed under VespaRaver. http://www.huh.net/diary/517.html Love, VespaRaver! ================================================= ************************************************* "One in three must find some peace." ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 22:42:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19691 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 22:42:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 19324 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 22:42:04 -0000 Received: from linex1.linex.com (HELO relay.linex.net) (199.4.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 22:42:04 -0000 Received: from linex4.linex.com (linex4.linex.com [206.54.38.14]) by relay.linex.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA22083; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from linex.linex.com by linex4.linex.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA27620; Tue, 25 Nov 97 14:40:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:41:35 -0800 (PST) From: aminita To: maya katz Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: IRC???? In-Reply-To: <19971125113707.5427.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey! go to: www.mirabilis.com that will tell you all the info you need. it is jsut a floating box of sorts that sits in your tray or on desktop and has a list of all your buddies and it let's out a sound everythime someone gets online. You can send files, chat, messages on and off line to eachother. It's just a great community of happy raver icqers!!!!!!!!!heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! (there are other pepole besides ravers too though. ) aminita On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, maya katz wrote: > hey kiddos > i was wondering if anyone could send me a link on how to get IRC? or > maybe explain what it is...? internet relay chat, i know- but how is > that different than ICQ? or the IMer from aol? > oh yeah- i have aol now too, look for me SN: Yareachx8 > lovenhugs to you all! > -maya > > >lara, get on irc ya hellraisr!! > >woo hoo > >-dor > > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 22:44:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21084 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 22:44:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 21076 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 22:44:30 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 22:44:30 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xaTiP-0007il-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:44:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:44:28 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: Vegetarian Thanksgiving Info Link (GOOD) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The following URL (web address) has a lot of information on having a vegetarian thanksgiving. Direct from yahoo. :) http://www.boutell.com/vegetarian/Thanksgiving.html Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 22:49:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23106 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 22:49:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 23097 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 22:49:44 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 22:49:44 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00701; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:40:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971125144213.0069b41c@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:42:13 -0800 To: Xotchil8@aol.com, stuff@hooked.net, meherr@wenet.net From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: Underground House Movement Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <971125134739_-1474641110@mrin41.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Unfortunately, I missed LOVE! My Jungle Diva LadySass begged and begged me to go, and then kicked me in the ass for not going. I just couldn't come up with the money--I'm in somewhat of a pit of financial despair at the moment, and have to use my money (which I don't have in the first place) on buying presents for Christmas for all those that I love sooooooooo much! I heard that it was quite FABULOUS, too. I'm really sad that I didn't go. It definitely would have satisfied my passion for progressive house, too. Oh well... Does anyone have any thoughts on CANDYLAND (Saturday December 20th)? I was planning on going to BIGFLOOR, but now I can't afford it, so I need to go to SOMETHING before going back to San Diego for Christmas. In fact, Jon Bishop is from San Diego, and is a resident DJ @ Rich's in Hillcrest (San Diego's version of the Castro). Anyway, should I go to CANDYLAND or should I go to something else that will be better? What should I do????? VespaRaver At 01:47 PM 11/25/97 -0500, Xotchil8@aol.com wrote: >hey you guys Carlos did it on Friday night at Love his set was the bomb >baby!! Were you guys there??? >One Love, Lena >:-)3 > > ================================================= ************************************************* "One in three must find some peace." ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 22:52:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23780 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 22:52:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 23771 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 22:52:12 -0000 Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (207.69.200.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 22:52:12 -0000 Received: from [206.80.181.58] (ACCS-AS17-DP09.SNFC.grid.net [206.80.181.58]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23969; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:52:02 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: jdarrow@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:58:26 -0800 To: peter@niles.com (Peter Sandifer) From: John Darrow Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >I've been watching "Steven Hawkins Universe" on PBS, and on the last >episode, they were talking about how physicists & astronomers have found 5 >different ways of defining our Universe. (I only caught the tail end, so I >don't actually know what the 5 methods are) I didn't see this so I'm not sure exactly what they mean, but they may be talking about the main cosmological models that we have been able to come up with to describe the shape and fate of the universe. There are actually six of these but perhaps they discounted the steady state model cause that seems so contrary to what we see up there. Going back to my cosmology book these are: Big Bang models: ->Einstein-de Sitter with flat space, an open and infinite universe that expands forever. ->Fridmann-Lemaitre with hyperbolic space, open and infinite which expands forever. This differs from the first in that the texture of space time is not linear ->Friedmann-Lemaitre with spherical space, closed and finite, it expands first and then collapses back in on itself. ->Lemaitre with spherical space, closed and finite, expands forever with a quasistatic phase. Models with no big bang: ->Eddington-Lenaitre with spherical space, closed and finite. It's static initially and then expands forever. ->Steady State- flat space that is open and infinite. Stationary but not static. (doesn't expand or contract) The steady state model was the one that was accepted before we discovered that stars and galaxies are moving away from us. The Eddington one was the model after that where they tried to picture a universe that existed forever before and then started expanding like how we see it doing today. The first four models make a lot more sense because the big bang makes sense. The differences just vary depending on what the shape of spacetime is, what the overall shape of the universe is (does it go on forever or does it just end or does it loop back on itself) and then what the destiny of the universe holds. Any of these models are possible, but only one of them is true for the universe we currently live in. The fourth model (Lemaitre) has some cool implications like looking far enough out there that you can see the back of your head, in a manner of speaking. Most astronomers are apt to accept the first three. and all the evidence so far points to a model that expands forever, forever cooling off... unless we can find a lot more dark matter which will increase the mass so that gravity can pull it back into itself. But on a personal note, don't worry too much if the universe is destined to die a slow infinitely long death. Just because this is the only universe we can see doesn't mean it's the only one out there, in a manner of speaking. >But the point they made is that these 5 ways of defining the Universe seem >to work. Only, they can't work /with/ each other, they can only work >independantly of each other. > >So there is this theory that there are actually FIVE universes intertwined, >and we are only ONE of them. Well, actually, there could be innumerable >Universes, science has only been able to define five. I don't know about them being intertwined. But I would accept that all the varying degrees of potential for each of the models all exist at once and that makes for a whole lot of happening going on all at once. If you can find connections between all those potentials, and take your subjective perspective of reality wherever you want... you can find yourself in all sorts of wacky places. *grin* Another interesting physics theory is that of superstrings, which has two main models for the universe. One has 10 physical dimensions, the other has 26. anyway. good day. -john. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 22:53:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24400 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 22:53:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 24384 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 22:52:58 -0000 Received: from linex1.linex.com (HELO relay.linex.net) (199.4.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 22:52:58 -0000 Received: from linex4.linex.com (linex4.linex.com [206.54.38.14]) by relay.linex.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA22460; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from linex.linex.com by linex4.linex.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA27689; Tue, 25 Nov 97 14:50:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:52:30 -0800 (PST) From: aminita To: adama Cc: SFRaves Subject: Re: Static? In-Reply-To: <01bcf9e2$7f3276b0$d0cd80d0@luna.magicarts.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey! It get's pretty busy but the music is allways good and the drinks too. Cool people workin and you can kick it outside if you need fresh air. If you're underage there will be other undragers too if you are the right age there will be more people there your age. Cool energy though and nice to be able to listen to good music played by people i love.......:) aminita On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, adama wrote: > I've never been to Static and was thinking about going tonight. NE body know > what it's like? > > I prefer unbiased reviews. > > > Adam > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 23:08:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27574 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 23:08:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 27505 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 23:08:03 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 23:08:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19971125230548.19174.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.162.21.225] by web4; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:05:47 PST Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:05:47 -0800 (PST) From: Deepfog Reply-To: deepfog@hooked.net Subject: Re: (NRR) sex by the bay To: Sharif Torpis , Deepfog Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk oh, i forgot. i thought about this while i was thinking about raving this weekend. so as far as I am concerned it is rave related. =] ---Sharif Torpis wrote: > > Welcome to rec.arts.poetry.erotica. Delivered directly to your email hole. > Brought to you by SFRAVES ... the mailing list that discusses everything BUT > sfraves. Problem? What problem? > > > LOCAL TALK 3: > > > > SEX BY THE BAY > > > > As we looked at it,,, > > > > we could not describe it. > > > > but we wanted it. we kNEW that. > > > > We wanted to blow it. We wanted to > > > > lick it > > > > crack it > > > > but then some wise-ass got a pin > > > > and deflated our androgynous blow-up doll > > > > with three holes > > > > and 2 poles > > > > so we all went home. > > > > ;] > > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 23:14:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1327 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 23:14:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 1318 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 23:14:11 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 23:14:11 -0000 Received: from katiez.vip.best.com (dynamic40.pm06.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.104]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id PAA14060; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:10:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347B5B16.B72D7862@best.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:11:19 -0800 From: Katie Zitterbart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: adama CC: SFRaves Subject: Re: Static? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01bcf9e2$7f3276b0$d0cd80d0@luna.magicarts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk adama wrote: > I've never been to Static and was thinking about going tonight. NE > body know > what it's like? > > I prefer unbiased reviews. > > Adam Well - I'm biased positively, ma-self... Static is the only event I go to with alcohol, so if that says anything, then I guess it's worth mentioning. One of the things I like most about it is that many - as in a plethora - djs show up every week. I ususally see several Cloud Factory, FnF and other assundry locals there. The vibe is great, and there's usually room to dance - particularly after 12:30. SO... call it the best two dollars you'll spend this week, I say! Kate ps - the neighborhood can be very, very schetchy at 2:00 in the morning, so if you're not driving, don't plan on walking home. I live less than four blocks away, and I usually try to walk home with a friend - preferably a male over six feet tall... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 23:30:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6710 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 23:30:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 6700 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 23:30:56 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 23:30:56 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-182.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.182]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA28079 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:30:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347B60D7.73CE@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:35:51 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk John Darrow wrote: > > >I've been watching "Steven Hawkins Universe" on PBS, and on the last > >episode, they were talking about how physicists & astronomers have found 5 > >different ways of defining our Universe. (I only caught the tail end, so I > >don't actually know what the 5 methods are) > > I didn't see this so I'm not sure exactly what they mean, but they may be > talking about the main cosmological models that we have been able to come > up with to describe the shape and fate of the universe. There are actually > six of these but perhaps they discounted the steady state model cause that > seems so contrary to what we see up there. > WHat they are saying on this show is that sometimes one of these theory works and sometime the other ones work . None of them work all the time but each one explains part of what we see. And all are incorrect, but the best we have until we find the toe (theory of everything) just like raving isnt it? ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 23:48:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12713 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 23:48:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 12700 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 23:48:07 -0000 Received: from ns2.accesscom.com (205.226.156.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 23:48:07 -0000 Received: from get.accesscom.com (user36.accesscom.com [205.226.158.36]) by ns2.accesscom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA15234; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:48:01 -0800 From: "n i c o" To: "aminita" Cc: Subject: NRR: That is NOT IRC!! Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:46:17 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf9fc$52ffc560$249ee2cd@get.accesscom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Hey! >go to: www.mirabilis.com >that will tell you all the info you need IRC and ICQ are two different things. IRC is bom, ICQ is a voluntary invasion of privacy. ; ) JUST KIDDING, I know, contradiction, yah yah yah. Oh, I guess I should letcha know once you're on IRC ya need to getcher arse on #sfraves. : ) : ) : ) *much love and many hugs* Nico *******POSITIVE******* The Indo Silver Club http://www.accesscom.com/~nico nico@accesscom.com *******POSITIVE******* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Nov 25 23:52:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15098 invoked by uid 6000); 25 Nov 1997 23:52:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 15082 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1997 23:52:33 -0000 Received: from mrin84.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin84.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.194) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 25 Nov 1997 23:52:33 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin84.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA14603 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:52:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:52:06 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971125185206_-1541338511@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk It's interesting to see how so much "NRR" mail has been generated by this guy's complaint alone-- maybe he's defeated his own purpose?? For me, as long as someone says it's NRR I know that it's up to me to decide whether to read it or not.....so if i don't wanto, then I delete. And if the list gets too cumbersome for me to handle, then I get off the list. And if I never wanto get useless email agian, then I get off my ISP. See? Easy!! That's just my meaningless 3cents worth, hope everyone has a nice Turkey Day ;) natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 00:00:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16973 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 00:00:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 16954 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 00:00:25 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 00:00:25 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA04578; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:59:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from pax-ca14-02.ix.netcom.com(204.31.233.66) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004527; Tue Nov 25 17:58:58 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19961125155732.006ad6dc@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: akira6@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:57:32 -0800 To: aminita , maya katz From: Diego Subject: Re: IRC???? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: References: <19971125113707.5427.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk um, thats ICQ, not IRC. lets not get our acronyms mixed up ;) check out http://www.mirc.com if you have a PC -- Diego At 02:41 PM 11/25/97 -0800, aminita wrote: >Hey! >go to: www.mirabilis.com >that will tell you all the info you need. it is jsut a floating box of >sorts that sits in your tray or on desktop and has a list of all >your buddies and it let's out a sound everythime someone gets online. You >can send files, chat, messages on and off line to eachother. It's just a >great community of happy raver icqers!!!!!!!!!heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! >(there are other pepole besides ravers too though. ) > > >aminita > > > >On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, maya katz wrote: > >> hey kiddos >> i was wondering if anyone could send me a link on how to get IRC? or >> maybe explain what it is...? internet relay chat, i know- but how is >> that different than ICQ? or the IMer from aol? >> oh yeah- i have aol now too, look for me SN: Yareachx8 >> lovenhugs to you all! >> -maya >> >> >lara, get on irc ya hellraisr!! >> >woo hoo >> >-dor >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 01:07:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4917 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 01:07:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 4844 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 01:07:12 -0000 Received: from mrin85.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin85.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.195) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 01:07:12 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin85.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA10573 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:06:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:06:40 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971125200639_1905380752@mrin85.mail.aol.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-25 16:16:41 EST, you write: << we need to make an SFraves table in the future.... with laminates, drug information (Just say know), etc, etc etc. I think that would be good.... >> Ouch.. this is a GREAT idea, but don't pass out laminates. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone wearing an SFR laminate and gotten all excited and started blabbing about current topics and "oh have you met so and so" Only to find out they aren't on the list or don't even have an e-mail address. "Oh my boyfriend's best friend got this laminate for me.. I don't even know what it's for." True, I do make friends out of meeting these people, but it gets too confusing with identifying them. Ok.. my 2 cents. hugs, 'trice the tekno diva "get fresh- drink naked." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 01:49:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15367 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 01:49:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 15349 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 01:49:39 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 01:49:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126014322.19694.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web1; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:43:22 PST Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:43:22 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: Static? To: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk static's great! i go all the time (so often i got a little burned out on it for a while) the crowd is a real diverse mix of people, from fakeidravekidz to twentysomethingbeautifulclubpeople to old punk rockers from berlin to 6 foot tall jherri-curled ex-beakdancers reliving the early eighties to aspiring religious cult leaders like myself. plus, the music is always good, if not great and... it's CHEAP! anyway me 'n' pj fuzzy were planning to go. maybe if there are a bunch of sfravers thinking about going too we should try to meet up or something. i think i'm gonna finaly make an sfraves laminate, but if i don't get around to it i'll be wearing my usual round, white, over-the-eyes gilligan hat... -messiah wannabe > adama wrote: > > > I've never been to Static and was thinking about going tonight. NE > > body know > > what it's like? > > > > I prefer unbiased reviews. > > > > Adam > DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 01:49:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15907 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 01:49:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15887 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 01:49:53 -0000 Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 01:49:53 -0000 Received: (from jasonelee@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UhL03035; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:05:16 EST To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu, SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:06:09 -0800 Subject: for you to think about.. Message-ID: <19971125.170611.4495.0.jasonelee@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,20-23,31-34,64-70 From: jasonelee@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm not one myself to read long "posts" but there are certain aspects to our scene that I think we need to put some attention on. So I will try my best to keep this short.... Issue 1 Since 1991 I've watched and matured with the scene. I'm 24 now and for some reason or another I don't feel that the parties are worth their weight in gold. And what I mean by this is that .... I assume that all of us have attended alot of different events and I'm sure that we have witnessed all there is to witness. SO by saying this, I ask all of you... why are we paying around $20.00 for admittance to a party? At the moment when it was all brand new I would have graciously paid that much but I think that its now at a point where promoters aught to consider going back to thier roots and downsize their events so A:) Its more personable B:) Less Expensive C:) Better Quality.... it will eventually get to the point where promoters of Huge parties won't break even due to the fact that the Venue was TOO big and the people that go are no longer willing to pay the entrance fee due to the fact that its "old". Just a thought, I would hate to see this happening but unfortunately it appears to be happening. Issue 2 P.L.U.R. I suppose this would be the 4 letters of wisdom for our community. But what I find lacking in this is that any Community can uphold those 4 values regardless of what your into or your background. I feel what needs to be an issue among these 4 values is the fact that without the "Music" and whatever genre' you propose, our scene would never exist. We need to emphise much more than Peace, Love, Unity, Respect and give strength to the foundation of our scene that created those values for all of us..... The Music. Issue 3 The Music. Now I'm probably stepping into Flamming waters with what I have to say, but try and see what I'm refering to. The parties in the begging held a value of "Peace" "Love", "Unity" and "Respect". "Peace" in that the music for our scene brought people of all backgrounds and musical interests together in "Unity" and "Peace"fully. "Love" For the music, the people loved the value it held and the willingness to share this "Love", as the "Love" was appreciated by all who were involved.... "Respect" to all for sharing their Iives and interests with others in a peacefull, united, loving environment inside and outside our scene. Now heres the ugliness, The Music in which we uphold as the only Universal language to our society is now the culprate for tearing our community apart. Think about this...... When the scene was young.... and the parties where massive.... the music at any event was eclectic and characteristic and and had recieved great respect from anyone in the rave community. But over time the music evolved.... it began to sub genre in to many different areas therefor creating our community to seperate from one form to another thus break us into tribes..... What bugs me the most is the fact that not everyone in the "scene" appreciates all the music.. they tend to look down apon you if your not into the same music. I have news for all of you....... MUSIC is MUSIC. Why must we as an established community so lached on those 4 simple values segregate ourselves by what genre we listen to.? I enjoy music and when I say music that is exactly what it is.... doesnt matter if its hip hop, jungle, acid jazz, house, latino, progressive, hardcore etc..... I think if this is the direction that we are progressivly going in then we are blind and really naive to think that the term P.L.U.R is a value for anyone that is biased to one form of music or another. To me it is no different than putting a label on yourself saying that you are a particular race and you belong only to that race. This is not how our community began and in no way is it something we should allow or community to fall into. Thats All I have to Say..... Jason jasonelee@juno.com http://www.djmike.com/promomag From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 01:50:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16476 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 01:50:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 16468 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 01:50:48 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 01:50:48 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.216 (XYP2-PORT16.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQFORCD7BQ9EDPM4@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:50:34 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:02:37 -0800 From: Doreen Subject: Re: IRC???? To: Diego Cc: aminita , maya katz , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <329A4FBD.34C9@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19971125113707.5427.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.3.32.19961125155732.006ad6dc@popd.ix.netcom.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk no no no try http://www.xs4all.nl/~ircle/ but warning; it's only free 30 day trial. i never payedmy shareware fee to get a secret code so it shuts down on me after about 3-4 minutes. any if anybody knows how to bypass this, e-mail me privately. ;) thanks -doreen. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 01:51:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17035 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 01:51:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 17025 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 01:51:07 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 01:51:07 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xaWcr-0004qO-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:50:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:50:56 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Natasha426@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) In-Reply-To: <971125185206_-1541338511@mrin84.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I know... what about this??? What if there was no NRR posts. This place would be as bland as a bland saltness saltin cracker. :) Byroni On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 Natasha426@aol.com wrote: > It's interesting to see how so much "NRR" mail has been generated by > this guy's complaint alone-- maybe he's defeated his own purpose?? > > For me, as long as someone says it's NRR I know that it's up to me to > decide whether to read it or not.....so if i don't wanto, then I delete. > And if the list gets too cumbersome for me to handle, then I get off > the list. And if I never wanto get useless email agian, then I get off > my ISP. See? Easy!! > > That's just my meaningless 3cents worth, hope everyone has a nice > Turkey Day > ;) natasha > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 02:29:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27791 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 02:29:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 27783 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 02:29:18 -0000 Received: from f57.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.143) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 02:29:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 7103 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 1997 02:28:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126022850.7102.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:28:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: A holiday Surprise... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 02:28:50 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I don't know about you guys, but I am so excited to announce the arrival of an old raver who moved to Tx and who will be accompanying myself to Spirit on Friday. GRACE IS HOME!!!! (one of my dearest friends in the world) :))))))))))))))- now that is a lot of smiling:P Danny From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 02:31:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28783 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 02:31:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 28768 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 02:31:41 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys03.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS03) (207.68.152.40) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 02:31:41 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR03 - 207.68.143.159 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:29:50 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.35.237.65 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:29:47 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: , Subject: Re: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:36:40 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <07d204729021ab7UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk That reminds me: Everyone on the list should wear sfraves laminates to parties! I know I would have met a lot more of you guys if you folks wore them more often. somethingAnd if they aren't on the list, strangle them w/ the cord!!! ;-) Hey, someone should design a laminate that says "NRR." Then we'd really know the wearer was on sfraves!!! Oh, yeah: Mr 2, I thought you told me that you were going to print me out a laminate one day. You know I got this sucky dot matrix printer over here, and I really want a laminate . . . please? xoxo--Miccaela -----Original Message----- From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 5:07 PM Subject: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit >In a message dated 97-11-25 16:16:41 EST, you write: > ><< we need to make an SFraves table in the future.... with laminates, drug > information (Just say know), etc, etc etc. I think that would be good.... >> > > Ouch.. this is a GREAT idea, but don't pass out laminates. I can't tell >you how many times I've seen someone wearing an SFR laminate and gotten all >excited and started blabbing about current topics and "oh have you met so and >so" Only to find out they aren't on the list or don't even have an e-mail >address. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 02:43:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 936 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 02:43:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 928 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 02:43:09 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 02:43:09 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA27459 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:43:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971125184422.0069623c@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:44:22 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: VespaRaver Subject: Re: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit In-Reply-To: <07d204729021ab7UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk How do we get these "laminates"? VespaRaver At 06:36 PM 11/25/97 -0800, you wrote: > >That reminds me: > >Everyone on the list should wear sfraves laminates to parties! I know I >would have met a lot more of you guys if you folks wore them more often. >somethingAnd if they aren't on the list, strangle them w/ the cord!!! ;-) > >Hey, someone should design a laminate that says "NRR." Then we'd really >know the wearer was on sfraves!!! > >Oh, yeah: Mr 2, I thought you told me that you were going to print me out a >laminate one day. You know I got this sucky dot matrix printer over here, >and I really want a laminate . . . please? > >xoxo--Miccaela > >-----Original Message----- >From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com >To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org >Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 5:07 PM >Subject: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit > > >>In a message dated 97-11-25 16:16:41 EST, you write: >> >><< we need to make an SFraves table in the future.... with laminates, drug >> information (Just say know), etc, etc etc. I think that would be good.... >>> >> >> Ouch.. this is a GREAT idea, but don't pass out laminates. I can't >tell >>you how many times I've seen someone wearing an SFR laminate and gotten all >>excited and started blabbing about current topics and "oh have you met so >and >>so" Only to find out they aren't on the list or don't even have an e-mail >>address. > > > > > > ================================================= ************************************************* "One in three must find some peace." ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 02:50:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3453 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 02:50:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 3436 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 02:50:29 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys03.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS03) (207.68.152.40) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 02:50:29 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR03 - 207.68.143.159 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:50:01 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.35.237.3 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:50:00 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: , "Brian Behlendorf" Subject: Re: about this list Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:56:26 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <087e70050021ab7UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Right on, Brian. I think I'll take it one step further and say that as long as you're a raver, everything you post is rave related. No matter what the topic. Uh oh! Got myself in trouble there! I know that's a radical statement. Now I do believe that everyone needs to exercise some restraint. Before you send that "NRR" letter off, ask yourself: "Is this in some way relevant to other posters? Will they find this interesting? Is it worth being flamed over?" If you answer "no" to those questions, then just say "fuck it!" and post 3 copies of it! Go ahead, live on the edge! Really though: Just tack an "NRR" on the subject line for the filtered folx and be prepared to deal with the consequences--50 enthusiastic and nearly identical replies or 50 "what the hell does this have to do with raving stop posting this shit" flames. The SFRaves community is like any other community. It has its problems, but there's something great here that keeps us wading through all the "irrelevant" stuff. Me personally, I don't mind reading 100+ posts that don't interest me in the least if I know that by doing so I'll come across at least post that touches me and makes me think, "Damn I'm glad I read that!" Remember, you've stayed on this list for a reason. Remember that. xoxo--Miccaela P.S. I don't believe in filters, but then again I have way too much time on my hands. So if you have Microsoft Outlook Express (comes with IE 4.0), you can set up the Inbox Assistant (Iook under the "Tools" menu) to delete certain messages, and even delete them _before_ you download them (the delete off-server option, I believe it's called). Hope that helps someone. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Behlendorf To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 1:12 PM Subject: about this list > > >To paraphrase Tim Leary, > > What SFRAVES is, > > is UP TO YOU. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 03:08:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6660 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 03:08:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 6652 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 03:08:36 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 03:08:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126031106.25906.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web2; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:11:06 PST Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:11:06 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: nrr-inxsed To: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk after all the "nrr" controversy i was gonna hold my tongue on this one, but i just HAD to post - if only to piss sharif off... in the small n.c. mountain town i went to college in, a priest at one of the copious churches there was found dead of auto-erotic asphyxiation. they found him hanging from one of the rafters of the church he preached in, naked exept for a pair of women's underwear, and some electrical tape covering his nipples. the tape was there to hold on the speaker wire which ran down to a stereo, set on 10, which was sending electric currents generated by the reverend's favorite jim neighbors cd. spread beneath him were several "well-thumbed" homo-erotic bondage magazines. a few weeks later, a devout young church member, who was described as having been "close" to the reverend, walked to the edge of town, sat down cross-legged in front of the "welcome to boone" sign on the side of the biggest highway into town, doused himself thoroughly in gasoline, and set himself on fire. he died before the medics arrived. both of these events were covered, quietly, in the back pages of the local newspaper. i read the articles myself, i swear to god. though to be honest, they didn't actually say which cd the reverend was pumping into his nipples. maybe it was slayer, but i'm putting my money on gomer. of course, the real tragedy of these events was that i could really use people like this in my church of the macroorganism. -messiah wannabe ps i wonder if i'm gonna get "flamed" for this one heh heh heh... ---Katie Zitterbart wrote: > > Since I haven't heard anything about a suicide note, I'm inclined to > believe it *was*, indeed, autoerotic asphyxiation. > > This makes me very, very concerned for the younger listizens who may not > know how to accomplish this w/o killing themselves. EDUCATE YOURSELF - > no orgasm is worth dying over - that goes for eroticism between people, > too. > http://www.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Sexuality/Activities_and_Practices/Erotic_Asphyxiation/ > > Kate > > > > U.A.A. wrote: > > > I am not sure of all of the details but yes he was found dead in his > > hotel > > room nekkid hanging from his belt. The aull the reports said that he > > wasn't > > depressed and in fact was very happy the last time they all talked to > > him. > > > > My first guess was that he died as a result of Auto-Erotic > > asphyxiation > > but the reported failed to comment on that > > > > --Herb > > = ) > > > > > > > > so-not having a tv I have been cut off from the > > > details of this- but someone at work said that > > > michael hutchins or what ever his name was- was > > > reported to have died from auto e r o t i c > > > asphixiation- was he pulling my leg? > > > > > > pjf > > > > > > p.s. I am trying to get this letter past surfwatch > > > which is attempting to censor my letter > > > > > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 03:39:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11318 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 03:39:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 11309 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 03:39:30 -0000 Received: from f3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 03:39:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 2325 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 1997 03:39:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126033903.2324.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.64.202 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:39:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.212.64.202] From: "Lindsey Clark" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Goldie at Bimbo's ? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:39:02 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Just wanted to let you know: MY ASS WILL BE HOPPIN' AND YELLIN' AND JUMPIN' UP AND DOWN! The show will be as good as you make it... And I already know that it's going to be GREAT! (can you tell that I'm excited? It's my first time seeing Goldie!) Love, Lady Linz* >Good dinner fare? Is it worth fifteen dollars to hear Goldie, Noel, and >Agzilla spin?n? And do you think it will be a good party with bouncy >uninhibited people? Or will it have that concert, let's just watch and >listen crowd? Is there any way for any of us to know until we get there? > >Lot's of questions, yes I know. While gazing at some clouds through an >oak tree's canopy, a big ? emerged from the layers of leaves, branches, >clouds, and blue skies. A message from the universe to cherish and share. > >geo >~~~ >everyone have a good thanksgiving, and when it's over be the one that >keep's on giving into the next life. > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 04:11:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17682 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 04:11:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 17673 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 04:11:18 -0000 Received: from mail01.kla-tencor.com (HELO kla-tencor.com) (206.67.220.38) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 04:11:18 -0000 Received: from milxbh03.tencor.com by kla-tencor.com (8.8.5/KLA-Tencor.3.4ir) id UAA13566; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:10:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711260410.UAA13566@kla-tencor.com> Received: by exchange3.kla-tencor.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:08:06 -0800 From: "Stirling, Earl" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:11:43 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk good idea... sooo.... ....i've printed up some of these logos buttons http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/sf/pictures/sfrbutton.gif (the one on the right) in various colors. i'll laminate them and mail one to anyone who wants one. send me your snailmail address for one. PLUR dodger > ---------- > From: VespaRaver[SMTP:ledesma@sfsu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 6:44 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit > > How do we get these "laminates"? > VespaRaver > > > At 06:36 PM 11/25/97 -0800, you wrote: > > > >That reminds me: > > > >Everyone on the list should wear sfraves laminates to parties! I > know I > >would have met a lot more of you guys if you folks wore them more > often. > >somethingAnd if they aren't on the list, strangle them w/ the cord!!! > ;-) > > > >Hey, someone should design a laminate that says "NRR." Then we'd > really > >know the wearer was on sfraves!!! > > > >Oh, yeah: Mr 2, I thought you told me that you were going to print > me out a > >laminate one day. You know I got this sucky dot matrix printer over > here, > >and I really want a laminate . . . please? > > > >xoxo--Miccaela > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com > >To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org > >Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 5:07 PM > >Subject: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit > > > > > >>In a message dated 97-11-25 16:16:41 EST, you write: > >> > >><< we need to make an SFraves table in the future.... with > laminates, drug > >> information (Just say know), etc, etc etc. I think that would be > good.... > >>> > >> > >> Ouch.. this is a GREAT idea, but don't pass out laminates. I > can't > >tell > >>you how many times I've seen someone wearing an SFR laminate and > gotten all > >>excited and started blabbing about current topics and "oh have you > met so > >and > >>so" Only to find out they aren't on the list or don't even have an > e-mail > >>address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================= > ************************************************* > "One in three must find some peace." > ************************************************* > ================================================= > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 04:29:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20662 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 04:29:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 20654 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 04:29:14 -0000 Received: from f107.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.226) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 04:29:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 26138 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 1997 04:28:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126042847.26137.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.104.33.165 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:28:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.104.33.165] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: a bit of everything Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:28:47 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk let me just say.. i love reading many many posts every day.. :) rave related or not :) i think the right on's are ok as well... enough of that Oh.. my friends cooked an excellent pre-thanksgiving dinner this evening. It reminded me how lucky I am to be surrounded by people who do really care. about the laminates.... Everyone who wants one should get one... whether they are on the list or not :) well.. since Im going back home (LA) tomorrow for turkey-day..;] ill be a bit behind on the postings... but ill enjoy reading them when i do :) Ill come back with a review of some la party ;) hehhee hope everyone has a pleasant holiday peace Philip Disordr From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 05:09:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28761 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 05:08:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 28752 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 05:08:54 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 05:08:54 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id VAA08997; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA14335; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:08:46 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:08:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: Sharif Torpis cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Track ID In-Reply-To: <199711252040.AA18435@crl.crl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sharif, And you sir are overreacting and contributing to the noise level you claim to despise. Or are you the only one who is allowed to talk about things "other" than raves? On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Sharif Torpis wrote: > You really don't understand do you? You aren't making any > point at all ... you are now being patronizing and facetious and sarcastic. > > Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 05:10:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29442 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 05:10:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 29434 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 05:10:32 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 05:10:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA21147; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:08:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:08:19 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: *byroni* cc: Peter Sandifer , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk my left sock is a universe in its entirety. On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, *byroni* wrote: > > What is their definition of a "Universe"? Depending on this would > determine how many universes there actually are. > > I bet each of my cheerios in my bowl of cereal has 10-12 universes.... you > never know... > > Just a thought... or two..... or three... > > Byroni > > On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Peter Sandifer wrote: > > > I've been watching "Steven Hawkins Universe" on PBS, and on the last > > episode, they were talking about how physicists & astronomers have found 5 > > different ways of defining our Universe. (I only caught the tail end, so I > > don't actually know what the 5 methods are) > > > > But the point they made is that these 5 ways of defining the Universe seem > > to work. Only, they can't work /with/ each other, they can only work > > independantly of each other. > > > > So there is this theory that there are actually FIVE universes intertwined, > > and we are only ONE of them. Well, actually, there could be innumerable > > Universes, science has only been able to define five. > > > > W o w . > > > > > > Anyone know anything else about this? > > > > > > b > > o > > o > > m > > e > > r > > a > > n > > g H > > ERE http://www.slip.net/~hatfyr > > ARETH > > EFACTSYO > > UREQUESTED -enlarged for easy listening- > > > > \\\///\\\///\\\///\\//\\//\/\/\\/\\//\\//\\\///\\\///\\\/// > > "...the end of all our exploring > > will be to arrive where we started > > and know the place for the first time." > > - t.s. eliot > > > > > > > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy > "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 05:30:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2982 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 05:30:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 2973 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 05:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www10.web2010.com) (root@209.25.44.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 05:30:31 -0000 Received: from [130.212.201.101] (madmax-101.sfsu.edu [130.212.201.101]) by www10.web2010.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA11741 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:30:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711260530.AAA11741@www10.web2010.com> Subject: "Ravin' New Years "97" -- WHAT?! Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 21:26:12 -0000 x-sender: liquidhg3@liquidmercury.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: * sherry * To: "SFRAVES SFRAVES" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk WOW!! And I thought Cool World was commercial. Damn! Are we ready for this? Is our scene ready for this? I mean they could, and most likely will totally exploit us! I mean, sure the parties are this huge in Europe, but are WE ready for this. Well, who knows...maybe it will work. But then what will it do to the scene...it will definately bring A LOT of new faces. However, when you think of what raving is, an open loving environment for people to come together in, maybe this is it's destiny. But as I asked before...are we ready for this yet? concerned & dumb founded, usually a massive raver sherry / mercury Date: 11/24 3:17 AM Received: 11/25 1:37 PM From: ravalum@pacbell.net To: SFRAVES SFRAVES, sfraves@hyperreal.org Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! What the hell, Are you serious??!?! I think it's time to demonstrate how offended the rave community is/will be! (Not speaking for all, maybe someone likes this news...as I say this I have my finger gagging down my throat.) Really this whole commercialization and the use of airhead actors makes me sick. Time for a walk out: Okay the night this "show" airs everybody turn off your T.V. and walk right out of your house. And go to a real rave. Teresa soon to be aka *Echo 1* :] Michael Standish wrote: > > At 6:46 PM -0800 11/23/97, astral matrix wrote: > >when's the rave at Oakland Statium gonna happen? > > It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' New > Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox TV, > Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and a > shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are shooting an > episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out > on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum and > all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all over > the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. I very > nearly puked, when I saw the flyer. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, > but it looks as if the rave scene has finally gone wholly and completely to > shit. > > Glitterhugz > Michael ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 05:46:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7435 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 05:45:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 7425 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 05:45:55 -0000 Received: from excite.whowhere.com (HELO excite) (209.1.236.13) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 05:45:55 -0000 Received: by mailexcite.com id <21019-16575>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:44:44 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:44:32 -0700 From: "Amber Marie Lawraine Nixon" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: for you to think about.. X-Sender-Ip: 205.162.105.72 Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk About issue #3-The Music I agree that the scene is divided by the subgroups. But I am also very glad that they all developed! How sad the scene would be without its rebel-child jungle and furious hardcore trance. Our music is developing a personality. Music, like us, can't be one thing all the time. I think what has changed is that there are people who swear by only one type. Or even worse, the people who roll their eyes if you don't know the name of a DJ or record. There are enough DJs (I should know, I just started myself), it's okay for people to just show up and love the "noise". Why all the pressure to know names and memorize tracks? Why all the pressure to spin only one style? Maybe if DJs used all categories of music in their sets, the categories would be less important...but how would the crowd react? Just some vinyl for thought... >:) Amber --- See EARTHINGS Dec 4&5 - Loud music and wild dancing in a fuzzy purple theatre. Call 408-554-4015 for tix. Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 05:52:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9402 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 05:52:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 9392 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 05:52:04 -0000 Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 05:52:04 -0000 Received: (from jasonelee@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AEM03035; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:49:33 EST To: goodvibe1@juno.com Cc: jasonelee@juno.com, socal-raves@ucsd.edu, SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:49:05 -0800 Subject: Re: for you to think about.. Message-ID: <19971125.215042.4167.2.jasonelee@juno.com> References: <19971125.170611.4495.0.jasonelee@juno.com> <19971125.203051.13974.9.goodvibe1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,19-25,29-53 From: jasonelee@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Right on! I can see where your comming from, and I can understand the lack of "interest" in a general catagory of music.. but what I think is important to the issue that I had mentioned in my first post was that one shouldn't necessarily hate it but accept it and respect it for its form and its composition as music. To not do this is, would seem very close minded and very biased to the point where it could get in the way of human interaction.... I personally can't judge someones intellect or personallity by the music they listen to. I may tend to lose interest in listening to certain types of music, but my appreciation for it is by all means there and I firmly believe that if you listen to what ever form of music it should be respected and never become any issue for segregation or even hostility. But my message is this, why can't we be more op to having one room with all dj's / artists that play different genre's of music rather than seperate it at an Event? Im not anti "theme" rooms, and I respect that some people might want to migrate when they start to hear something they are not necessarily into, but I think the promoters Programming of a venue could be enhanced and if all rooms at a event rotated the music... as an "Example:" 12:00 1:00 2:00 Room 1- Progressive Breakbeat Jungle Room 2- Breakbeat Jungle Progressive Room 3- Jungle Progressive Breakbeat This program would be ideal for me... for one, at any event I have ever attended the mainroom was allways the best, but not all the music was ever played in one main room..... This sort of programming would also allow people to rotate to their particular interests.... and still keep the tribes together.... Jason jasonelee@juno.com http://www.djmike.com/promomag >HEY JASOn.....good post ... but i disagree with the music.....i agree >that people shouldnt be SOOOO seperated.. you are right...iT IS A >UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE.....but who am i to talk...i express my hatred of >hardcore..... >well......THINK about what the world would be like..if everyone liked >the same music....i think it would be boring..i like the >categories.....ITS cool how people can like differnent kinds of >music.......but if you referring to everyone HATING EACH OTHER for >just the music they listen to ....yeah...thats wrong......thats >sad..... >but about differents tastes....I LIKE IT........ >I actually LOVE the fact that i dont like country music....and i dont >like GUITARS....i dont like rap.........its just preference.... >but i agree with the fact that we are one CULTURE.......but i wouldnt >want to spend money to go to a party in which i dont like the music >.....JUST SO I CAN BE UNITED...... >know what i mean?? >dale From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 06:01:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12275 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 06:01:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 12267 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 06:01:48 -0000 Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 06:01:48 -0000 Received: (from jasonelee@juno.com) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BJA03035; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:01:04 EST To: frosting@mailexcite.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:01:38 -0800 Subject: Re: for you to think about.. Message-ID: <19971125.220139.4167.3.jasonelee@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,11-16,18-51 From: jasonelee@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Thank you Amber, I do agree that to be "eclectic" is probably the best form an artist or DJ can posess. and sometimes it shows.... the samples you hear on your latest records prove to me that not everyone is so closed minded.... From rock (Led Zep, Pink Floyd) to Rap etc... I believe it has added a tremendous value not only to our evolving scene but value to the original recordings... I know I've dusted off a few records to hear the original of song that I had just heard on a recent "anthem" at a party just to get the value and the atistic approach to what was involved.... It really allows myself to appreciate this ART in a very big way. Again thank you so much for replying!!!! Jason jasonelee@juno.com http://www.djmike.com/promomag On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:44:32 -0700 "Amber Marie Lawraine Nixon" writes: >About issue #3-The Music >I agree that the scene is divided by the subgroups. But I am also >very glad that >they all developed! How sad the scene would be without its >rebel-child jungle and >furious hardcore trance. Our music is developing a personality. >Music, like us, >can't be one thing all the time. I think what has changed is that >there are people >who swear by only one type. Or even worse, the people who roll their >eyes if you >don't know the name of a DJ or record. There are enough DJs (I should >know, I just >started myself), it's okay for people to just show up and love the >"noise". Why >all the pressure to know names and memorize tracks? Why all the >pressure to spin >only one style? Maybe if DJs used all categories of music in their >sets, the categories >would be less important...but how would the crowd react? Just some >vinyl for thought... > >>:) Amber >--- >See EARTHINGS Dec 4&5 - Loud music and wild dancing in a fuzzy purple >theatre. Call >408-554-4015 for tix. > > > >Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! >http://www.mailexcite.com > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 06:10:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14118 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 06:10:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 14110 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 06:10:26 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 06:10:26 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp60.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.60]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id XAA08839; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:00:19 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: "lara at vibe.org" , "*byroni*" Cc: "Peter Sandifer" , Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:57:56 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcfa30$3e1885e0$3c56dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I think there must be a separate universe where socks go. You know when you lose a sock in the washing machine? I call this the "Lost Things Universe" There would also be ex-lovers and ex-friends, money, wallets, hearts, innocence, souls, cigarettes, memories, car keys, and a slew of other items. But there would be "good" lost things too - lost prejudices, naivete, and misguided judgements. *grin* love+groovin kim .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. -----Original Message----- From: lara at vibe.org To: *byroni* Cc: Peter Sandifer ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 10:06 PM Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) >my left sock is a universe in its entirety. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 06:37:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19685 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 06:37:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 19676 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 06:37:46 -0000 Received: from excite.whowhere.com (HELO excite) (209.1.236.13) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 06:37:46 -0000 Received: by mailexcite.com id <21232-16574>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:36:56 -0800 To: "Post Ravin' Bran \(tm\)" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:36:46 -0700 From: "Amber Marie Lawraine Nixon" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: "shimmer" , "jughaid aka justin" , "Steve Armstead" , "Nicholas Adcock" , "Matt Schwartz" , "John Kawamoto" , "Ed Leech" , "Ari Newman" , "Alik Kundel" X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: we'll dance for you (BSP) X-Sender-Ip: 205.162.105.72 Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk It's coming, it's coming! A celebration of our spirit! ++ Choreographer's Gallery ++ December 4 (8PM) and 5 (7&9 PM) Featuring EARTHLINGS - a dance tribute to ravers, raving, music and all the rest of it! DJ Fubari spinning LIVE! At Mayer Theatre on the Santa Clara University campus CALL 408-554-4015 for tickets (CHEAP!) Or call me if you have any questions 408-984-6360 Bust-proof, plush seating, high quality techo sound entertainment experience!! Dress up and scare the heck out of some conservative college kids (I'm grabbing for straws, here.) Pass out candy to the audience members. Bring the love to the public, this is your time! >:) Amber Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 07:08:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24295 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 07:08:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 24286 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 07:08:36 -0000 Received: from ns2.accesscom.com (205.226.156.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 07:08:36 -0000 Received: from get.accesscom.com (nico@user17.accesscom.com [205.226.158.17]) by ns2.accesscom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA29254 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:08:33 -0800 From: "n i c o" To: Subject: "Ravin' New Years "97" - The Jennie Garth Thread Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:06:50 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcfa39$ddee67c0$119ee2cd@get.accesscom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk It would be fun to organize a protest, setting up some ghetto ass tape player on a van and dancing in the parking lot, but I don't think anyone's about ready to give up their New Years for something like this. HOWEVER, get every bunk dealer you know to go to that party. That would be something I'd like to hear about. ; ) *much love and many hugs* Nico *******POSITIVE******* The Indo Silver Club http://www.accesscom.com/~nico nico@accesscom.com *******POSITIVE******* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 07:38:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28741 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 07:38:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 28731 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 07:38:54 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 07:38:54 -0000 Received: from [206.169.227.214] (libya-214.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.227.214]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28235 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:38:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:38:42 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: deepfog@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "You're Busted!" From: Deepfog Subject: sharif torpis Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i would like to know what you are doing for the rave scene right now. i would really like to know what parties you are planning. i would really like to know what positive contribution you are making to sfraves to educate and help the new ravers that are constantly pouring through the doors of today's raves. i would just like to know. since you appear to be the expert on what should and should not be discussed on our forum, I would like to give you the opportunity to express yourself freely and worldly, in a timely manner. oh, and happy thanksgiving. i may not check my mail till after that. see you at spirit? maybe you would like to come deliver your answer in person. i'll give you a nice big hug in exchange. mr. dEEp From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 08:24:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4670 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 08:24:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 4661 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 08:24:35 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 08:24:35 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA04823 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:34:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:26:06 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Goldie Review Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello All, All I can say is that this concert was the bomb, and is a lesson to all those who dare perpetrate how to play electronic music *live*. Goldie had a guitarist and a bassist, *live*. He was playing keyboards, *live*. Yes, I am sure that there was a sequencer and DAT, but the fact was that the Timeless Album that he played *live* was not the same thing as pressed on CD. Incredible! The singer who sung on timeless was there on stage, with improvisation (it was little but what was offered was alot). There was no invivisble vocal track, it was done *live*. Watching people dance to real "City Life" jungle was amazing! He closed with "Temper" and is was super-deep and frantic. I love house, but let's face facts. 4 to the floor rock shard, and in the hands of the proper doctor you can be cured. Jungle reaches far deeper and goes whehre house dare not attempt. There is an urgency the the music, to me, a real tangible enegery (like house had in the day, some 6-7 years ago). The other thing about jungle is the sonics. If house was doing even *half* this much it wouldn;t sound so boring. The way Goldie moves time around and shifts it and manipulates it reminds me of Miles Davis' experiments with space. Goldie and the MetalHeadz crew are really way ahead of thier time. They have been with jungle and the so called "intelligent jungle" everyone is so hype on. To me jungle has always been intelligent and several steps ahead of house (this is no spuriose considering jungles roots are from house...the child becoming more than the sum of its parents). Goldie has raised, in my mind, the standard under which live electronic acts are based. He took risks in bringing in *actual* guitarists, and a bassist live. And they were *tight*! If you missed this show I can say that it was *Miles* above Spring Heel Jack (I love that step shit), in terms of presentation and pure musicianship. It was money well spent, and a time worth spending with my lady. FTT did a good one with this show. Right the fuck on Kevon and Crew (Hector, Jerry, et. al.). 4 to the floor is cool, but jungle kicks ass! "I'm a junglistic man, oooooo, don't try to change my plan!", jsl (Jungle has it all 4x4 and all inbetween). "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 09:45:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28454 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 09:45:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 28446 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 09:45:50 -0000 Received: from lambda.ben2.ucla.edu (164.67.131.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 09:45:50 -0000 Received: from tau2.ben2.ucla.edu (tau2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.232]) by lambda.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA43634; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:45:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:45:48 -0800 (PST) From: SCOTT DAVID LASSITER Subject: Re: NRR: a HA! I have found a flaw To: sfraves@hyperreal.org cc: Doreen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Noah Apodaca wrote: > > It is often common to use "an" before words beginning with "H" as in "an > historical event". > > English is quite the quirky language. "An" before a word beginning with an "h" is probably due to the fact that the h is often silent when starting a word, as in "honorable", so the word actually begins with a vowel sound. Why the rule applies to such words as "history" also...who knows. Hard to believe it is for simplicity, given that this is English we are talking about. Unity, Scott > > > > On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Doreen wrote: > > > Ok, so it's nothing great, > > but you know how in the English language your supposed to use 'an' > > instead of 'a' when describing a noun that begins with a vowel cuz it > > sounds weird if you don't? > > "toss me AN apple" > > "throw me AN egg" > > > > what the word utility? > > utility is a noun (as well as an adjective) > > > > dont we say 'a utility' instead of 'an utility' ? > > > > have i stumbled upon something here ? > > > > -doreen. > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 13:15:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3904 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 13:15:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 3896 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 13:15:53 -0000 Received: from mrin52.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin52.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.162) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 13:15:53 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA19308; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:15:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:15:25 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971126081524_289427318@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: groovinkim@connectexpress.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Five Universes (NRR) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/25/97 11:24:12 PM, you wrote: <> I call this the "Black Hole in My Apartment" that only spits all the important stuff back out when i either don't need them anymore or am about to move out... :) natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 13:20:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6248 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 13:20:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6240 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 13:20:24 -0000 Received: from mrin54.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin54.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.164) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 13:20:24 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin54.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA16302; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:19:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:19:56 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971126081955_584631927@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: deepfog@hooked.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: sharif torpis Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk BEEEEAUTIFULLY STATED!!! Hey can i have a happy new year's hug too, even if i'm not a self- professed expert on SFRlist etiquette?? :))) luv n hugs, natasha In a message dated 11/26/97 12:56:07 AM, you wrote: <> From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 15:56:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16089 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 15:56:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 15791 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 15:55:58 -0000 Received: from apollo.sfsu.edu (arthurc@130.212.10.167) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 15:55:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (arthurc@localhost) by apollo.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA14063; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:55:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:55:56 -0800 (PST) From: Arthur Chandler X-Sender: arthurc@apollo To: Brian Behlendorf cc: Leslie Ayres , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: plurity and sfraves In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971125123950.008f27d0@hyperreal.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > There was something said to me by one Arthur Chandler (who as best I can > tell is still on this list :) which made about ten thousand things come > into focus for me. He was telling me about the hippies in the 60's, about > how through their psychedelics-induced visions of God in GG Park had > started to have identity crises, they hit the existential wall of "what > next?"... what he told me was a Zen koan: > > Chopping wood before enlightenment, chopping wood after enlightenment. > Greetings, Brian and all others. Yep, I'm still here. Once I join a community I try to stay with it. It's amazing what you learn on a list like this one. If you unsub out of anger or boredom, the learning stops. I've always felt that the greatest tool in the PINE mailer was Control-O -- the postpone command. I've trained myself to use it whenever I've composed email in anger or frustration. Control-O allows time to intervene between the thought and the act. And every time I've used Control-O, I've modified my original words in the direction of greater respect for the people I'm writing to. *Plurality* is a splendid concept in a clever package. But the one element we need to make it more than just a slogan is the dimension of time. Whether we send comments to this list in a spirit of love, a spirit of anger, or one of the infinite shades in between, it's worth thinking this over: EVERY EVENT HAS EFFECTS FOREVER -- Arthur "If you can talk, you can sing. If you can walk, you can dance." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 16:08:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20542 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 16:08:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 20534 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 16:08:42 -0000 Received: from ns2.accesscom.com (205.226.156.3) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 16:08:42 -0000 Received: from get.accesscom.com (nico@user17.accesscom.com [205.226.158.17]) by ns2.accesscom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA09328; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:08:28 -0800 From: "n i c o" To: Cc: Subject: Dancing Galaxy Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:06:43 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcfa85$4a1adc80$119ee2cd@get.accesscom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Future Club Productions Present: Dancing Galaxy Friday, November 28, 1997 DJs: Mystr-E, Ethan, Dino, ND 18+, $12 Info: (415)905-8847 Looks like a good alternative to all them other parties. ; ) *POSITIVE* Nico *******POSITIVE******* The Indo Silver Club http://www.accesscom.com/~nico nico@accesscom.com *******POSITIVE******* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 16:33:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28262 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 16:33:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 28254 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 16:33:05 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 16:33:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126163050.2470.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.155] by attach1; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:30:50 PST Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:30:50 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: NRR: WESTSIDE FWD:an ebonics Christmas To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >I know it's kind of early for this, but I thought it was hilarious. Have >a Happy Thanksgiving everyone. :) > >D > > > > > >>>><< > > >>Ebonics Xmas >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>Twas da night befo' Christmas and all in the hood >>>> > >>>Not a homie was stirring cuz it was all good >>>> > >>>The tube socks was hung on the window sill >>>> > >>>and we all had smiles up on our grill >>>> > >>>Mookie and BeBe was snug in the crib >>>> > >>>in the back bedroom cuz that's how we live >>>> > >>>and moms in her do-rag and me with my nine >>>> > >>>had just gotten busy cuz girlfriend is fine >>>> > >>>All of a sudden a lowrider rolled by >>>> > >>>Bumpin phat beats cuz the system's fly >>>> > >>>I bounced to the window at a quarter pas' >>>> > >>>Bout ready to pop a cap in somebody's #$$! >>>> > >>> well anyway >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>I yelled to my lady, Yo peep this! >>>> > >>>She said, Stop frontin just mind yo' bidness >>>> > >>>I said, for real doe, come check dis out >>>> > >>>We weren't even buggin, no worries, no doubt >>>> > >>>Cuz bumpin an thumpin' from around da way >>>> > >>>Was Santa, 8 reindeer and a sleigh >>>> > >>>Da beats was kickin, da ride was phat >>>> > >>>I said, Yo red Dawg, you all that! >>>> > >>>He threw up a sign and yelled to his boyz, >>>> > >>>"Ay yo, give it up, let's make some noise! >>>> > >>>To the top of the projects and across the strip mall, >>>> > >>>We gots ta go, I got a booty call!" >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>He pulled up his ride on the top a da roof >>>> > >>>and sippin on a 40, he busted a move >>>> > >>>I yelled up to Santa, "Yo ain't got no stack!" >>>> > >>>he said, "Damn homie, deese projects is wack! >>>> > >>>But don't worry black, cuz I gots da skillz >>>> > >>>I learnt back when I hadda pay da billz." >>>> > >>>Out from his bag he pulled 3 small tings >>>> > >>>a credit card, a knife, and a bobby pin. >>>> > >>>he slid down the fire escape smoove as a cat >>>> > >>>and busted the window with a b-ball bat >>>> > >>>I said, "Whassup, Santa? Whydya bust my place?" >>>> > >>>he said,"You best get on up out my face!" >>>> > >>>His threads was all leatha, his chains was all gold >>>> > >>>His sneaks was Puma and they was 5 years old >>>> > >>>He dropped down the duffle, Clippers logo on the side >>>> > >>>Santa broke out da loot and my mouf popped open wide. >>>> > >>>A wink of his eye and a shine off his gold toof >>>> > >>>He cabbage patched his way back onto the roof >>>> > >>>He jumped in his hooptie with rims made of chrome >>>> > >>>To tap that booty waitin at home >>>> > >>>and all I heard as he cruised outta sight >>>> > >>>was a loud and hearty..... >>>> > >>>"WEEESST SIIIIDE!!!!!!!" === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 17:12:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6541 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 17:11:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 6530 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 17:11:56 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 17:11:56 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA25251; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:11:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from srf-ca4-22.ix.netcom.com(199.182.131.150) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025203; Wed Nov 26 11:11:15 1997 Message-ID: <347C570F.F53@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:06:23 -0800 From: Sunny Reply-To: SugarShack@mindless.com Organization: Pablo's Sugar Shack X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: * sherry * Subject: Re: "Ravin' New Years "97" -- WHAT?! References: <199711260530.AAA11741@www10.web2010.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I haven't seen a flyer yet. Does anybody know the DJs or live acts? Thanks, -SUNNY > > It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' New > > Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox TV, > > Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and a > > shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are shooting an > > episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out > > on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum and > > all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all over > > the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 17:16:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8488 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 17:16:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 8480 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 17:16:47 -0000 Received: from gateway.mpath.com (204.242.182.129) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 17:16:47 -0000 Received: from mpath.com (nodserv.mpath.com [206.233.214.16]) by gateway.mpath.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11419; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (vision@localhost) by mpath.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22327; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:15:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:15:54 -0800 (PST) From: Max Vision To: "John S. Lee" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Goldie Review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sounds like an amazing show. We drove for hours through traffic and pouring rain to get to downtown SF for the show, only to find it sold out. Tickets... I never believed in them really. Do now. :/ Max :) On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, John S. Lee wrote: > Hello All, > > All I can say is that this concert was the bomb, and is a lesson to all > those who dare perpetrate how to play electronic music *live*. > > Goldie had a guitarist and a bassist, *live*. He was playing keyboards, > *live*. Yes, I am sure that there was a sequencer and DAT, but the fact > was that the Timeless Album that he played *live* was not the same thing as > pressed on CD. Incredible! The singer who sung on timeless was there on > stage, with improvisation (it was little but what was offered was alot). > There was no invivisble vocal track, it was done *live*. > > Watching people dance to real "City Life" jungle was amazing! He closed > with "Temper" and is was super-deep and frantic. > > I love house, but let's face facts. 4 to the floor rock shard, and in the > hands of the proper doctor you can be cured. Jungle reaches far deeper and > goes whehre house dare not attempt. There is an urgency the the music, to > me, a real tangible enegery (like house had in the day, some 6-7 years > ago). The other thing about jungle is the sonics. If house was doing even > *half* this much it wouldn;t sound so boring. > > The way Goldie moves time around and shifts it and manipulates it reminds > me of Miles Davis' experiments with space. Goldie and the MetalHeadz crew > are really way ahead of thier time. They have been with jungle and the so > called "intelligent jungle" everyone is so hype on. To me jungle has always > been intelligent and several steps ahead of house (this is no spuriose > considering jungles roots are from house...the child becoming more than the > sum of its parents). > > Goldie has raised, in my mind, the standard under which live electronic > acts are based. He took risks in bringing in *actual* guitarists, and a > bassist live. And they were *tight*! > > If you missed this show I can say that it was *Miles* above Spring Heel > Jack (I love that step shit), in terms of presentation and pure > musicianship. > > It was money well spent, and a time worth spending with my lady. > > FTT did a good one with this show. Right the fuck on Kevon and Crew > (Hector, Jerry, et. al.). > > 4 to the floor is cool, but jungle kicks ass! > > "I'm a junglistic man, oooooo, don't try to change my plan!", > jsl > > (Jungle has it all 4x4 and all inbetween). > > "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 17:55:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21274 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 17:55:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 21262 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 17:55:15 -0000 Received: from mail.crl.com (165.113.1.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 17:55:15 -0000 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id JAA21534; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:55:09 -0800 (PST) env-from (storpis@crl.com) Received: by crl.crl.com id AA03152 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:51:14 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199711261751.AA03152@crl.crl.com> Subject: Re: Mr. Deep To: deepfog@hooked.net (Deepfog) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:51:14 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: from "Deepfog" at Nov 25, 97 11:38:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > i would like to know what you are doing for the rave scene right now. Right now I'm reading email. > i would really like to know what parties you are planning. Don't plan parties ... just attend ... to busy engineering. > i would really like to know what positive contribution you are making to > sfraves to educate and help the new ravers that are constantly pouring > through the doors of today's raves. It's my responsibility to educate? To help? Well OK, I'm trying to make this list useful once again instead of inundated with SPAM. Yes, SPAM. You know, when someone posts messages to a list that are off topic. I think that is worthwhile and educational for the rave scene and your uppity judgement. > since you appear to be the expert on what should and should not be > discussed on our forum, I would like to give you the opportunity to express > yourself freely and worldly, in a timely manner. Now why do you go and take criticism for me "being an expert"? People need to learn to take criticism better and not feel so threatened. Hope this is free, worldly, and timely enough for you. > oh, and happy thanksgiving. i may not check my mail till after that. Don't check your mail till Xmas ... Merry Xmas > see you at spirit? maybe you would like to come deliver your answer in > person. i'll give you a nice big hug in exchange. Prolly not Spirit ... but you'll see me elsewhere...look around You shouldn't give your hugs out haphazardly...people need to deserve them ...i have a feeling yours wouldn't be sincere From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 18:01:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23150 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 18:01:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 23141 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 18:01:11 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 18:01:11 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.52] ([38.248.198.52] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01954 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:04:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <329A4FBD.34C9@sonoma.edu> References: <19971125113707.5427.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.3.32.19961125155732.006ad6dc@popd.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:01:08 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: Re: IRC???? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk someone said.... >no no no > try http://www.xs4all.nl/~ircle/ > >but warning; it's only free 30 day trial. i never payedmy shareware >fee to get a secret code so it shuts down on me after about 3-4 >minutes. any if anybody knows how to bypass this, e-mail me >privately. ;) thanks > call me silly, but clearly the way to bypass the shutdown because you didn't pay the shareware fee... is to pay the shareware fee. this topic, which is a hot one on another list i'm on, ties back into my definition of "respect" .... which is to treat others as you would like to be treated. and i'd prefer to be treated honestly and not have people scheming about how to get my work for free. imagine if you were a computer programmer and you came up with something that you thought people would like... you were so sure they'd like it, that you even gave it to them for free to try to make sure... no risk. for a whole month. pretty cool, huh? and apparently it worked, because you like it. don't you think that then, if you want to keep using it, you should pay for it? after all, the people who made the program deserve to make something back for their efforts, don't you think? try seeing it from the other side. because a lot of the people who create the programs we use are our friends.... and when you cheat them out of their payment for their work (which, to put it bluntly, is what one does when one tries to use a program without paying for it), you are cheating your friends. your other option is to continue finding free trial software and keep changing it every time your time runs out. extra work, but still lets you keep your integrity. leslie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 18:11:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27974 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 18:11:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 27956 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 18:11:41 -0000 Received: from fillmore.criticalpath.net (209.104.216.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 18:11:41 -0000 Received: (cpmta 20964 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 18:11:08 GMT Received: from compare14.grin.net (HELO compare.net) (208.225.136.14) by compare.net.criticalpath.net with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 10:11:08 -0800 X-CriticalPath-Timestamp: 26 Nov 1997 18:11:08 GMT Message-ID: <347C6780.1AEB014D@compare.net> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:16:32 -0800 From: steve X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: pink floyd remixes References: <19971125.094647.5903.1.ldylove@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Or better yet, WHERE one can get them??? Steve. ldylove@juno.com wrote: > This goes out to who ever asked about Pink Floyd remixed into techno or > what ever it was ( I thnk I erased the message somewhere in the 156 I > down loaded last night) > > I just heard these two discs of bootleg "trance remixes" of Mettle and > Wish You Were Here. They're definitely not done by the Orb as is often > rumored ... probably just a fan with some gear and too much time on his > hands ... but they are good nonetheless! > > Has anybody else heard these anywhere? > > RLove -- And now, a shameless plug for my workplace! Before you buy: http://www.compare.net/ Information is Power From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 18:35:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7065 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 18:35:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 7047 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 18:35:15 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 18:35:15 -0000 Received: from jeff.utron.com ([208.138.43.35]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15397 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:35:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Mr nStuff @ Work" To: "sfraves" Subject: Help ah brother out. Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:35:31 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcfa9a$13a02060$232b8ad0@jeff.utron.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01BCFA57.057CE060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BCFA57.057CE060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am in Fremont. I need to get tables TODAY! Importiant. Oh.. Anyone know what magazine I need to buy that will have an add for tables = at a store that has them in stock. So I can goto The Good Guys and get = my deal....? I am in desperate need. If I don't get them today.. Tomorrow is Thanks = Giving! Did that make sence? Help a brother out man. Come'on. =3D]:... 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I am in Fremont. I need to get = tables TODAY!=20 Importiant. Oh..
 
Anyone know what magazine I need to = buy that=20 will have an add for tables at a store that has them in stock. So I can = goto The=20 Good Guys and get my deal....?
 
I am in desperate need. If I don't = get them=20 today.. Tomorrow is Thanks Giving!
 
Did that make sence?
Help a brother out man. = Come'on.
 
=3D]:...
Jeff
 
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BCFA57.057CE060-- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 19:10:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17117 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 19:10:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 17109 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 19:10:49 -0000 Received: from imo07.mx.aol.com (HELO imo07.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.87) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 19:10:49 -0000 From: Tekno313 Message-ID: <1f8dd27a.347c7411@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:10:07 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: "Ravin' New Years "97" -- WHAT?! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This sounds like an intentionally fabricated rumor. --Monty In a message dated 11/26/97 10:49:47 AM, you wrote: <<> > It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' New > > Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox TV, > > Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and a > > shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are shooting an > > episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out > > on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum and > > all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all over > > the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 19:28:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23203 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 19:28:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 23195 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 19:28:48 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 19:28:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126192246.25868.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.158.134.131] by web1; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:22:46 PST Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:22:46 -0800 (PST) From: macadio Subject: BSP "Spirit" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey all!! I hope you are all having a nice day even though it is raining and it kind of looks gloomy outside. But hey I like the sound of rain against the glass here at work DOh!! anyway I just wanted to invite everyone out to spirit this Friday it will be a nice party with good DJ's and partial proceds going towards a good cause. If anyone is interested Me and Dan(Micron) will be playing on 4 decks from 11:-12:30 So come by and say high.. If our big heads don't get in the way we may say high back. hehehehe :P~ I hope too see some of you there. Sorry I don't have info numbers our all the pertinet info but you can look on the calendar or Vlad may post the info lines. Tickets are at all the local locations it is advised to get them today.. Peace all, Macadio (Mack-Audio) DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 19:45:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27984 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 19:45:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 27973 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 19:45:35 -0000 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net (207.93.14.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 19:45:35 -0000 Received: from [207.93.14.13] ([207.93.14.13] verified) by tapeheads.ednet.net (Stalker SMTP Server 1.5) with ESMTP id S.0000015262 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:45:05 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1f8dd27a.347c7411@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:45:55 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Joe Rice Subject: Re: Re: "Ravin' New Years "97" -- WHAT?! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 11:10 AM -0800 11/26/97, Tekno313 wrote: >This sounds like an intentionally fabricated rumor. >--Monty Indeed. Didn't 90210 already do the rave thing a couple times? There's no info on either BGP or Live 105's web sites, although they already list several other New Year's Eve events. Anyone have a VM # for this event? Joe From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 19:45:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28573 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 19:45:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 28548 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 19:45:50 -0000 Received: from iceland-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO iceland.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.28) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 19:45:50 -0000 Received: from [153.37.15.252] (1Cust252.tnt5.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.15.252]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01081 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:45:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711261945.LAA01081@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: "Ravin' New Years "97" -- WHAT?! Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 11:46:56 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: hak1 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk this looks like a joke guys..... they already did that episode back in '91. right when all the big parties were going on in LA and SF (oohh the days of my youth)... haK >> > It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' New >> > Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox TV, >> > Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and a >> > shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are shooting an >> > episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out >> > on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum and >> > all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all over >> > the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 19:47:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29753 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 19:47:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 29720 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 19:47:09 -0000 Received: from atari.saturn5.com (204.253.162.254) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 19:47:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (andy@localhost) by atari.saturn5.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA29482; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:46:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:46:18 -0800 (PST) From: AndyW X-Sender: andy@atari Reply-To: AndyW To: jasonelee@juno.com cc: goodvibe1@juno.com, socal-raves@ucsd.edu, SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: for you to think about.. In-Reply-To: <19971125.215042.4167.2.jasonelee@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 jasonelee@juno.com wrote: > 12:00 1:00 2:00 > Room 1- Progressive Breakbeat Jungle > Room 2- Breakbeat Jungle Progressive > Room 3- Jungle Progressive Breakbeat > Try getting a good dancing vibe going with a lineup like this. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not easy coming in after a DJ who plays a wholly different style. It's tough to mix, it's tough to keep the room, and you have to start a whole new flow (let alone the BPM and general feel differences with music like going from jungle to house for example). Looks good on paper, hurts in practice... also keep in mind that for a jungle sound system to sound really good, you tune it for jungle... likewise for hard trance, house etc. Plus it's nice to kinda let people know where to go if they're tired and want to sit (n a chill room) or are up and they want to dance to the largest system in the place (the -mainfloor). When people program DJ lineups for parties, they should think a lot about flowing from one DJ to the next. I think that's responsible promotion. There's this magic about 3 or 4 DJs in a row hooking up slightly different music in a row. I loved MAD, because Monty, Joe Rice, SHo and Ethan would always spin right out of each other, keeping that groove. Plus there was something about the Gateway system that always shook the piss out of Bahia... I spin my two favorite kinds of electronicrap, this groovin techno/trance at about 130-135 bpm and death slow ambient/triphoppy stuff (55-105 bpm). I would be pissed if I was dancing my tukus off to some banging hard stuff, and then I got fed ambient for the next hour and a half, even though I love both types of music. A lot of it is about flow. If I'm dancing hard, I better have the option to do so for quite some time, cause sometimes, it's not a want, it's a _nEEd_. I hope somebody understands what I mean, my point is I guess, if I had the option to have a great jungle room and a great banging house/techno room I'd rather do that than have two eclectic rooms and risk losing people with every DJ change (not every body loves everything). Peace, Andy From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 19:52:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2069 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 19:52:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 2060 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 19:52:23 -0000 Received: from mrin58.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin58.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.168) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 19:52:23 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA22198 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:51:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:51:56 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971126145156_1182644686@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: drama Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk man, i think i'm gonna stop watching tv or taping soaps cuz the drama on this list is better than any movie script or novel out there when do we get to call judge judy?? SMILE everybody...for all intents and purposes, it's a FRIDAY! =) luv n hugs, natasha From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 20:00:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4606 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 20:00:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 4598 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 20:00:03 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 20:00:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126200234.28624.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [198.189.62.81] by web2; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:02:34 PST Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:02:34 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bispo Subject: Re: drama To: Natasha426@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk GRuMpY GrUmPy ~ I'm a grumpy raver...why smile when u can frown.... the music is betta that way~ gRuMpY grUmPy HEY GUYS SMILE =) Lifes a lot less stressin when ur smilin...=) Hopefully See u guys @ Spirit...if i don't make it...i'll be there with u guys in spirit...hee hee...a funny love jeremy === ~Remember to *Play Nice*~ ~Question Reality~ ---Natasha426@aol.com wrote: > > man, i think i'm gonna stop watching tv or taping soaps > cuz the drama on this list is better than any movie > script or novel out there > > when do we get to call judge judy?? > > SMILE everybody...for all intents and purposes, it's a > FRIDAY! =) > > luv n hugs, > natasha > DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 20:29:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15426 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 20:29:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 15418 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 20:29:41 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.9) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 20:29:41 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA24004 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:29:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca10-04.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.196) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023991; Wed Nov 26 14:28:47 1997 Message-ID: <347C866B.C5A5D45A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:28:28 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: DJ Lineup For Spirit :) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------193BD373A84A1BD48FD2C095" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk --------------193BD373A84A1BD48FD2C095 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the lineup for Spirit. Advance tickets are still available, but are selling very fast. I recommend that those planing on attending this event get your tickets TODAY, while they are still $15, and that gets you a $5 discount for BigFloor on Saturday. Remember , This event is a Benefit for The Homeless and Less Fortunate low income families... please come out to experience and support this very special party. Not only is it going to be a excellent party with incredible music, But its all for a great cause. Hope evrybody has a wonderfull Thanksgiving holiday... and see you at the party. :) Keep it Real... Vlad For Additional Info.. Click on these links... Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html PS.. If you have an extra 5 minuits.. please take the time to read the Newsleter, and give us some feedback.. Thanks :) Lineup for 'The SPIRIT of Giving" Progressive & Trance Kwashi 9 -10 Kevin Kind 10 -11 Mark Johns 11 -12 Tony 12 - 1 DRC 1 - 2 Carlos 2 - 3 Essence 3 - 4 Vertigo 4 - 5 MODA 5 - Close Hardhouse & Breakbeats Dean Kroh 9 - 10 Seannie Boy 10 - 11 Macadio & Micron 11 - 12:20 The E-Team :DJ EFX & M2000 12:20 - 1:40 with Big Ed on live congas and keyboards Ghost & Frank Nitty 1:40 - 3:00 Josh Schwab & Corey 3 - 4:20 Paucus & Tripnotix 4:20 - Close Deep Funk & Grove Jeff Taisch 9 - 10 Ulrich 10 - 11 Bloom 11 - 12 Spinner 12 - 1 Moshe 1 - 2:15 Boomerang Fidgit 2:15 - 3:30 Slim 3:30 - 4:30 Deepfog 4:30 - Close "The Drugs are in the Music... The High is in the Dance... And Raving is the Extacy!".... Ray Vonie :) --------------193BD373A84A1BD48FD2C095 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the lineup for Spirit.    Advance tickets are still available, but are selling very fast.  I recommend that those planing on attending this event get your tickets TODAY, while they are still $15, and that gets you a $5 discount for BigFloor on Saturday.  Remember , This event is a Benefit for The Homeless and Less Fortunate low income families... please come out to experience and support this very special party.   Not only is it going to be a excellent party with incredible music, But its all for a great cause.  Hope evrybody has a wonderfull Thanksgiving holiday... and see you at the party. :)

Keep it Real... Vlad
 

For Additional Info.. Click on these links...
Link to Flyer:   http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html
Link to News:  http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html

PS.. If you have an extra 5 minuits.. please take the time to read the Newsleter, and give us some feedback.. Thanks :)

Lineup for 'The SPIRIT of Giving"

Progressive & Trance
Kwashi               9 -10
Kevin Kind       10 -11
Mark Johns       11 -12
Tony                 12 - 1
DRC                   1 - 2
Carlos                 2 - 3
Essence               3 - 4
Vertigo                4 - 5
MODA               5 - Close

Hardhouse & Breakbeats
Dean Kroh                                              9 - 10
Seannie Boy                                          10 - 11
Macadio & Micron                                11 - 12:20
The E-Team :DJ  EFX & M2000      12:20 - 1:40
with Big Ed on live congas and keyboards
Ghost & Frank Nitty                           1:40 - 3:00
Josh Schwab & Corey                             3 - 4:20
Paucus & Tripnotix                              4:20 - Close

Deep Funk & Grove
Jeff Taisch                     9 - 10
Ulrich                          10 - 11
Bloom                         11 - 12
Spinner                        12 - 1
Moshe                           1 - 2:15
Boomerang Fidgit      2:15 - 3:30
Slim                          3:30 - 4:30
Deepfog                   4:30 - Close

"The Drugs are in the Music... The High is in the Dance... And Raving is the Extacy!".... Ray Vonie  :) --------------193BD373A84A1BD48FD2C095-- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 20:30:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16078 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 20:30:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 16061 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 20:30:45 -0000 Received: from mrin40.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin40.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.150) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 20:30:45 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA18853 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:30:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:30:17 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971126153016_-871734301@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: TeKnODiVa@aol.com, SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-25 21:10:41 EST, TeKnODiVa@AOL.Com writes: << Ouch.. this is a GREAT idea, but don't pass out laminates. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone wearing an SFR laminate and gotten all excited and started blabbing about current topics and "oh have you met so and so" Only to find out they aren't on the list or don't even have an e-mail address. "Oh my boyfriend's best friend got this laminate for me.. I don't even know what it's for." True, I do make friends out of meeting these people, but it gets too confusing with identifying them. Ok.. my 2 cents. hugs, 'trice the tekno diva >> All I have to say is that I agree with the diva!!!!!!!!! <3 *MushyB! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 20:50:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20433 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 20:50:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 20419 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 20:50:50 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 20:50:50 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OpR16410; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:30:38 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:51:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Slobber raving) Message-ID: <19971122.165529.7598.2.drek1@juno.com> References: <19971124165755.12676.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-11 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:56:33 PST "Digital Devil" writes: > If you don't want to goto a party DON'T >GO. >Do NOT SUPPORT PROMOTERS/DJS/LIVE ELECTRONICA ACTS YOU FEEL SELL OUT. >simple as that. I don't. I especially avoid Cool World. I will only go to a party when there is people playing there that I either know or like to hear. dErEk From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 20:52:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21087 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 20:52:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 21079 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 20:52:45 -0000 Received: from nuclear.unexplodedbomb.com (HELO master.unexplodedbomb.com) (205.158.43.50) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 20:52:45 -0000 Received: from mohan ([207.171.212.232]) by master.unexplodedbomb.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA277 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:52:01 -0800 Reply-To: "Funky Tekno Tribe" From: "Funky Tekno Tribe Sound System" To: "SFRAVES" Subject: Happy Thanksgiving from the Funky Tekno Tribe Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:43:43 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcfaab$fc8a3980$b1c5abcf@mohan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Big wishes from the Funky Tekno Tribe crew. Thanks for all the support through the past 5 years and especially this year for making our events like Ultra, Organic, FTT Presents, Tribal Massive and ENIT successful! We're working hard on a number of shows next year and will continue to bring the best music and acts to the bay area. In the works in early 98 are both a national and international tour, our first cd release and a history making US tour with a legendary and influential German techno band (guess?) kicked off right here in San Francisco in March ... Have a great Thanksgiving! The Funky Tekno Tribe http://www.funkytekno.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 20:55:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23318 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 20:55:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 23277 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 20:55:51 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 20:55:51 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-21.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.21]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA24268 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:55:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347C8E09.680F@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:00:57 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Happy thanks giving sfravers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hello all Due to my indian background and being a vegi i dont really get into the traditional thanks giving rituals. To me it is a time to give thanks and to renew the atitude of gratitude. So often we focus on what is wrong or missing or messed up in our lives instead of being grateful for what we have. This time of year to me is for looking at how well im living that philosophy and giving thanks for that which i have. So in that spirit i would like to thank all of you in this great fruit salad we call sfraves for being such a wonderful family. I wont mention any names because i know i would leave out a few due to my fishy memory. But i want to thank all of you for making this a fun and helpful place. Each of you contribute something of value even if all you do is lurk. I want to thank all of you that have helped me with rides over the past year to some wonderful partys that i would have missed if not for your generosity. I would like to thank all of you djs,promoters,artists etc for putting together all these great outdoor partys this summer....those are my favorite. I want to thank all of the wonderful people that i have met at these partys for your company and your love and support. I want to thank all who create this sfrave community with your witty and interesting posts. And i would like to thank all of you who run/create this list and for allowing me the priveledge of being a part of it. I have been thinking that it is so great to have such a diverse group of people that all come together and put aside their differences and create this thing we call vibe and plur. Its truely amazing to me how people that otherwise might never speak to each other can come together like this and enjoy each other and are willing to help each other whenever and wherever the need is. And im grateful for the music...which seems to be the one thing that we all have in common and is the driving force behind this whole thing. so happy thanksgivig to all of you and here is a litte indian prayer to celebrate with if you like. we return thanks to our mother the earth which sustains us we return thanks to rivers and the streams, which supply us with water we return thanks to all Herbs which furnish medicines for the cure of our disease. we return thanks to the corn and to her sisters the beans and the squashes which give us life. we return thanks to the wind which moving the air, has banished diseases we return thanks to the moon and the stars which have given to us their light when the sun is gone. we return thanks to the sun that has looked upon the earth with a beneficient eye, lastly we return thanks to the great spirit, in whom is embodied all goodness and who directs all things for the good of his children. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish ask not what sfraves can do for you...but what you can do for sfraves... or something like that... From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 21:05:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27040 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 21:05:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 27015 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 21:04:58 -0000 Received: from netcommunications.net (root@208.147.42.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 21:04:58 -0000 Received: from [38.248.198.52] ([38.248.198.52] (may be forged)) by netcommunications.net (10.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02251 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:08:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:04:50 -0800 To: sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org From: Leslie Ayres Subject: See You at Spirit!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Happiest of Thanksgivings to everyone! Since my email is at work, I'm now going into the great realm of true reality.... so no more cybertalk for a few days! Even better, I'm looking forward to seeing lots of you on Friday night at Spirit! Not knowing what's confirmed so far... here's what I suggest... Let's meet near the water bar at 1:00 a.m. ..... and if you miss that (or *I* miss that!) ... then please come say hi to me whenever and whereever! In order to start the holiday spirit off right, I'll be wearing a poinsettia headpiece that will be impossible to miss! Love, Leslie From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 21:27:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2987 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 21:27:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 2724 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 21:27:15 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 21:27:15 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OpQ16410; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:30:38 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:47:42 -0800 Subject: Re: *SpiriT* Meeting Spot Message-ID: <19971122.165529.7598.1.drek1@juno.com> References: <971125130935_632209459@mrin40.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,7-35 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'm going to pass on the meeting spot. I'm going to just make an effort to not try and get to know people at a party but instead somewhere else. I'll be EEEing balls dancing my ass off wearing my laminate. So if you see me, give me a hug and just start dancing with me. I'll get your name then e-mail you the next day. Meeting spots just are messy. I don't think you get an actaul idea of who the person is in the middle of a party. Bye now. dErEk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:09:36 -0500 (EST) TeKnODiVa@aol.com writes: >HEY EVERYBODY!! I Gots a great Idea. Michael (ULRICH) Is spinning at >Spirit >from 10 to 11. MEbbe we could all go and watch his set together?? >That's an >hour long span of time to run into each other... Or is it to early in >tha >evening?? Either way.. you should all look for me... cuz I got the >bombest >flourescent yellow visor... and what does it say on the front?? >*SPIRIT* >YAY!! Teresa has one too, so look for us and we'll be the SFR meeting >spot. > I even have an SFR T-shirt I made to wear.... my oh my.. does that >make me a >label whore?? anyways.. look for my visor, yo! > > hugs n'stuff, > 'trice the tekno diva > > > "Get fresh... drink naked" > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 21:43:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8153 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 21:43:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 8127 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 21:43:46 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 21:43:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126214116.3672.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by attach1; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:41:16 PST Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:41:16 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: for you to think about.. To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk has anyone ever noticed (i can't be the only one) how all these different styles of music (and i'm not talking just about techno but the whole gamut of american music, rap, country, r&b, indie rock, classic rock, new age, classical etc etc etc) are centered around one socio-economic fragment or another? i mean, there are the obvious distinctions like poor black teenagers listen to rap while conservative white city dwellers listen to garth brooks and latinos listen to salsa or whatever. but it gets much more specific than that. for instance, you've got different brands of rock music: lower-middle class white folks listen to classic rock, upper class white frat/sorority types listen to u2/rem, "white trash" listen to doom metal (please no flames i'm a slayer fan w/white trash roots myself), upper-middle class white guys between the ages of 25 and 35 listen to indie rock, and so on. and you can cut it down even further than that, if you wanted - doobie bros = lmc stoner, bryan adams = lmc light beer drinker, pink floyd = lmc present or ex acid head... now these divisions don't really bother me, in a way i think it's kinda cool. like, in the 1700's, only the very very rich (kings dukes earls etc) could afford to pay musicians to sit around practicing the lute all day and writing down scores for future generations to hear. everybody else's musical output was more or less lost to the passage of time. whereas now every possible generation of each strata of each part of the american culture-quilt is in some way an amorphic democratic "king" that, $15 dollars at a time, pays someone talented to sit around and compose music that expresses that group's hopes, fears, culture. what i think is a shame is that each group seems to feel that it's own particular sub-sub-sub-genre is somehow "better" than everybody else's. when really it's just a matter of taste and background - "all my friends listen to this, i've heard it enough times to have some idea what the artists are trying to do, therefore it's good." personally i look at all those styles as little windows into worlds that aren't my own, a way of possibly understanding where all these different groups of people are coming from. finally, what i like about techno is that, in north carolina at least, a rave was the ONE place you could go and see straghts and gays, blacks and whites, college kids and high school dropouts, all hanging out together and being totally friendly and cool with each other. unfortunately, while i love hearing all the millions of different styles of techno deing developed, i fear that all this fragmentation is indicative of a splintering of this very real and cool "unity". i hear it in different post on sfraves too - "i don't like massives, too many gangsta's", i suspect may mean on some level "i don't want to hang out with working class asian/latino kids", or "this party's not underground enough" = "too many college kids here". personally i hope raves never lose that cross-cultural, cross-socio-economic flavor, that's one of the big reasons i like them so much. in fact, what i'd REALLY like to see is a big party with wu-tang clan rapping over a techno dj's set with some vietnamese harpists jamming in the background and a fat opera singer throwing in sound bytes every so often while latin percissionists wander through the crowd slaping the hell outta their congas. but i suppose i'll probably have to put that show together myself when i finaly get around to throwing that 72-hour tantric-rave-orgy church of the macroorganism revival/meditation clinic... -messiah wannabe ---jasonelee@juno.com wrote: > > > > Right on! I can see where your comming from, and I can understand the > lack of "interest" in a general catagory of music.. but what I think is > important to the issue that I had mentioned in my first post was that one > shouldn't necessarily hate it but accept it and respect it for its form > and its composition as music. To not do this is, would seem very close > minded and very biased to the point where it could get in the way of > human interaction.... I personally can't judge someones intellect or > personallity by the music they listen to. I may tend to lose interest in > listening to certain types of music, but my appreciation for it is by all > means there and I firmly believe that if you listen to what ever form of > music it should be respected and never become any issue for segregation > or even hostility. But my message is this, why can't we be more op to > having one room with all dj's / artists that play different genre's of > music rather than seperate it at an Event? Im not anti "theme" rooms, > and I respect that some people might want to migrate when they start to > hear something they are not necessarily into, but I think the promoters > Programming of a venue could be enhanced and if all rooms at a event > rotated the music... as an "Example:" > > 12:00 1:00 2:00 > Room 1- Progressive Breakbeat Jungle > Room 2- Breakbeat Jungle Progressive > Room 3- Jungle Progressive Breakbeat > > This program would be ideal for me... for one, at any event I have ever > attended the mainroom was allways the best, but not all the music was > ever played in one main room..... This sort of programming would also > allow people to rotate to their particular > interests.... and still keep the tribes together.... > > Jason > jasonelee@juno.com > http://www.djmike.com/promomag > > >HEY JASOn.....good post ... but i disagree with the music.....i agree > >that people shouldnt be SOOOO seperated.. you are right...iT IS A > >UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE.....but who am i to talk...i express my hatred of > >hardcore..... > >well......THINK about what the world would be like..if everyone liked > >the same music....i think it would be boring..i like the > >categories.....ITS cool how people can like differnent kinds of > >music.......but if you referring to everyone HATING EACH OTHER for > >just the music they listen to ....yeah...thats wrong......thats > >sad..... > >but about differents tastes....I LIKE IT........ > >I actually LOVE the fact that i dont like country music....and i dont > >like GUITARS....i dont like rap.........its just preference.... > >but i agree with the fact that we are one CULTURE.......but i wouldnt > >want to spend money to go to a party in which i dont like the music > >.....JUST SO I CAN BE UNITED...... > >know what i mean?? > >dale > DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 21:50:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9973 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 21:50:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 9960 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 21:50:52 -0000 Received: from f62.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.148) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 21:50:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 21055 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 1997 21:50:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126215021.21054.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.114.28.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:50:20 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.114.28.22] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org, TeKnODiVa@aol.com Subject: Re: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:50:20 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > ><< we need to make an SFraves table in the future.... with laminates, drug > information (Just say know), etc, etc etc. I think that would be good.... >> > > Ouch.. this is a GREAT idea, but don't pass out laminates. I can't tell >you how many times I've seen someone wearing an SFR laminate and gotten all >excited and started blabbing about current topics and "oh have you met so and >so" Only to find out they aren't on the list or don't even have an e-mail >address. "Oh my boyfriend's best friend got this laminate for me.. I don't >even know what it's for." True, I do make friends out of meeting these >people, but it gets too confusing with identifying them. Ok.. my 2 cents. I totally agree with Trice here. It's so annoying when this happens, but oh well...maybe we could get a list of all the people who are currently subscribed? :) -Matt- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 22:16:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16323 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 22:16:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 16315 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 22:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eagle.cscomputing.com) (206.86.211.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 22:16:31 -0000 Received: from panda.cscomputing.com by eagle.cscomputing.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id XR53XG5H; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:18:27 -0800 Received: by panda.cscomputing.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCFA75.CEDF7580@panda.cscomputing.com>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:15:54 -0000 Message-ID: <01BCFA75.CEDF7580@panda.cscomputing.com> From: Julie Hayes To: "TeKnODiVa@aol.com" , "SFRaves@hyperreal.org" , "'Karma2001@aol.com'" Subject: RE: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:15:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The Tekno diva wrote: > but don't pass out laminates. I can' tell you how many times I've = seen someone >wearing an SFR laminate (snip) Only to find out they = aren't on the list or don't even >have an e-mail address. "Oh my = boyfriend's best friend got this laminate for me.. Well, think about it this way. Imagine *you* are the giver of the new = sfraves laminate and all these sfravers are coming up to you begging for = a laminate, and you happily give out these laminated with a smile, a = hug, a conversation, or whatever, then a girl/guy comes up to you, and = asks," Can I have one of those?" (Of course this person doesn't know = what this is but since a lot of ppl. are excited about it, she/he wants = one too). What do you reply to them? Giver: "What's your name?"=20 Raver: "Uh, Sam, What's yours?" Giver: "No I mean what's your name on sfraves?" Raver: "Uh......Sfraves?????" *This is where the conversation can go either way.* The giver can say: Giver: " Sorry Sam, I can't give one of these laminates, because you are = not a part of the elite (sarcasm) sfraves mailing list" Sam walks away confused and sad *OR* The giver can say: Giver: "Well Sfraves is blah blah blah, this is how you join, blah blah = blah, that's what these laminates are for, blah blah blah. (this raver = has just made a new friend, and a potential sfraver) Raver: " Oh I get it.... So can I have one?"(or he decides to wait until = he joins to get one) Giver: (places the laminate over the ravers neck like a ritual honor)" = You'll meet many people this way, but usually only people on this list = get these, so join Sfraves!!!" Raver: (smiles and hugs the giver) THANKS! >True, I do make friends out of meeting these >people, but it gets too confusing with identifying them. See, this is how random people might get their hands on laminates, and = it is a wonderful thing, because, you have introduced them to something = new, plus made someone extremely happy, and made a new friend. So, = what's the big deal? I suggest when you see someone with a laminate, = and you discover they are not on sfraves, enlighten them, and get them = to join our family!!!!=20 Peace and Love, Julie ---------- From: Karma2001@aol.com [SMTP:Karma2001@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 3:30 PM To: TeKnODiVa@aol.com; SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit In a message dated 97-11-25 21:10:41 EST, TeKnODiVa@AOL.Com writes: << Ouch.. this is a GREAT idea, but don't pass out laminates. I can't = tell you how many times I've seen someone wearing an SFR laminate and gotten = all excited and started blabbing about current topics and "oh have you met = so and so" Only to find out they aren't on the list or don't even have an = e-mail address. "Oh my boyfriend's best friend got this laminate for me.. I = don't even know what it's for." True, I do make friends out of meeting these people, but it gets too confusing with identifying them. Ok.. my 2 = cents. =20 hugs, 'trice the tekno diva >> All I have to say is that I agree with the diva!!!!!!!!! <3 *MushyB! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 22:37:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21958 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 22:37:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 21938 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 22:37:50 -0000 Received: from value.net (raygun@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 22:37:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id OAA29705; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:37:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:37:39 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: hak1 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: "Ravin' New Years "97" -- WHAT?! In-Reply-To: <199711261945.LAA01081@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yeah...but did they have Brandon falling in love in that episode;).....? On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, hak1 wrote: > this looks like a joke guys..... they already did that episode back in > '91. right when all the big parties were going on in LA and SF (oohh the > days of my youth)... > > haK > >> > It's funny you should ask that; I just picked up a flyer for "Ravin' New > >> > Years '97" Put on by Bill Graham Presents in association with Fox TV, > >> > Mountain Dew, KITS, MTV, Levis, Sanrio, Panasonic, Chevy trucks, and a > >> > shitload more mainstream corporate fucks. Apparently Fox are shooting an > >> > episode of 90210, where Brandon falls for a candy raver who is strung out > >> > on E. This thing is supposed to use the Oakland Arena, the Colosseum and > >> > all the space between them. They're flying in big name DJs from all over > >> > the world as well as every vaguely "electronica" band they can find. > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 22:42:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23587 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 22:42:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 23579 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 22:42:46 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 22:42:46 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.168 (XYP5-PORT18.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQGWHSQEQO9EDS2G@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:42:41 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:54:49 -0800 From: Doreen Subject: SPEAKING of spam (was Re: Mr. Deep) To: Sharif Torpis Cc: Deepfog , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <329B7539.1823@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199711261751.AA03152@crl.crl.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sharif, aren't you creating to the problem here? You have just begun...*gasp* an OFF TOPIC THREAD! OH NO!! and now i will contribute a lil. > You shouldn't give your hugs out haphazardly...people need to deserve them > ...i have a feeling yours wouldn't be sincere > > geez, Deepfog was offering a truce...and you are still being resistant. ;\ -doreen From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 22:43:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24117 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 22:43:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 24105 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 22:43:00 -0000 Received: from lbin.com (HELO light.lbin.com) (204.30.25.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 22:43:00 -0000 Received: by light.lbin.com (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3) id ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:37:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347CA5C3.74937906@lbin.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:42:12 -0800 From: Ryan PC Gibson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Messiah Wannabe CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: for you to think about.. References: <19971126214116.3672.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk what is interesting to keep in mind is the ol' dichotomy of industry vs. artistry. the record company invests in music they know will sell, and rarely try to spread there narrow demographic divisions very far. warner bros. knows that young, urban african americans will buy Ice-T's rap records, but he wants to make heavy metal what? fishbone, an all black _rock_ band has floundered for years b/c columbia house marketing doesn't know what to do with them. no one knows what to do with techno. the big guys are dying to make money off it and the best they can do is go for the cheesy rock 'n r&b (everything but the girl etc.) or the cock rock (prodigy etc.) what they don't realize is these beats cut across old lines and go straight to an individual's center (some might say soul...not i). confuse the system, buy american imports - ryan. Messiah Wannabe wrote: > has anyone ever noticed (i can't be the only one) how all these > different styles of music (and i'm not talking just about techno but > the whole gamut of american music, rap, country, r&b, indie rock, > classic rock, new age, classical etc etc etc) are centered around one > socio-economic fragment or another? i mean, there are the obvious From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 22:43:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24684 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 22:43:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 24670 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 22:43:35 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 22:43:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126224606.25623.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web2; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:46:06 PST Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:46:06 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: t-day To: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk pjfuzzy - "what's wrong, messiah?" messiahw (shaken, sitting down) "i felt a sudden disruption in the force... like millions of semi-sentient birds crying out at once - and then suddenly silenced...." happy turkey holocaust everybody! -mw DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 22:43:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25227 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 22:43:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 25217 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 22:43:51 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 22:43:51 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA04752; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:43:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971126144450.0069ccfc@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:44:50 -0800 To: Julie Hayes , , From: VespaRaver Subject: Laminates Cc: In-Reply-To: <01BCFA75.CEDF7580@panda.cscomputing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay...here's my perspective on this. And feel absolutely free to completely shoot me down again, especially since I'm new. I can see where Karma2001 and TeKnODiVa are coming from. From what I understand, these laminates are a means of identifying fellow SFRavers. So, I can see there frustration with random people having them. HOWEVER...I can definitely see Julie's point, especially since I'm a new raver. If I wasn't on SFRaves and I went to a party and walked up to the SFRaves table and was denied a laminate because I wasn't part of SFRaves, I would be pretty sad. In addition, I probably would have developed a negative view of the SFRaves community. I *would* think that SFRavers are a bunch of elitists and meanies! So as *I* see it, there are two options: 1) Only send them out through the mail to people who are on the SFRaves list. --OR-- 2) Give them out at parties and make them available to anyone who is willing to listen to you tell them a little bit about SFRaves. Just my opinion, but what you you guys think about it? VespaRaver ================================================= ************************************************* "One in three must find some peace." ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 22:47:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26156 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 22:47:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 26140 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 22:47:46 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 22:47:46 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.168 (XYP5-PORT18.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQGWO17FZM9EDS2G@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:47:41 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:59:51 -0800 From: Doreen Subject: Re: IRC???? To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <329B7667.58DA@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19971125113707.5427.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.3.32.19961125155732.006ad6dc@popd.ix.netcom.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > call me silly, but clearly the way to bypass the shutdown because you > didn't pay the shareware fee... is to pay the shareware fee. well..yeah...i could do that too.. ;-) -doreen. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 22:58:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 456 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 22:58:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 448 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 22:58:17 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 22:58:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126225204.1257.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [205.180.227.143] by web1; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:52:04 PST Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:52:04 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: Laminates To: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey, it only takes a couple a bucks and a short trip to kinko's to design and make you're own laminate. if you've got email you probably have access to photoshop pagemaker etc. or just use crayons or a magic marker. i'm really gonna try to have my own personal sfraves laminate made in time for spirit... for what it's worth, i sorta agree w/trice and k2001, the laminates should be for sfravers so we can identify each other. if you want to give'em away, just keep 'em hidden and when people come up and say they're subscribed, offer 'em one "under the table" or something. if a non-subscriber asks for one you can explain nicely what they're for and give'm the subscription addy instead... -messiah wannabe ps actually now that i think about it, i don't really know where to find those "ball-link" chains for attaching laminates to yer neck - where do they come from? ---VespaRaver wrote: > > Okay...here's my perspective on this. And feel absolutely free to > completely shoot me down again, especially since I'm new. > > I can see where Karma2001 and TeKnODiVa are coming from. From what I > understand, these laminates are a means of identifying fellow SFRavers. > So, I can see there frustration with random people having them. > > HOWEVER...I can definitely see Julie's point, especially since I'm a new > raver. If I wasn't on SFRaves and I went to a party and walked up to the > SFRaves table and was denied a laminate because I wasn't part of SFRaves, I > would be pretty sad. In addition, I probably would have developed a > negative view of the SFRaves community. I *would* think that SFRavers are > a bunch of elitists and meanies! > > So as *I* see it, there are two options: > > 1) Only send them out through the mail to people who are on the SFRaves list. > > --OR-- > > 2) Give them out at parties and make them available to anyone who is > willing to listen to you tell them a little bit about SFRaves. > > Just my opinion, but what you you guys think about it? > > > VespaRaver > > > ================================================= > ************************************************* > "One in three must find some peace." > ************************************************* > ================================================= > DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 23:06:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2089 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 23:06:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 2081 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 23:06:30 -0000 Received: from lbin.com (HELO light.lbin.com) (204.30.25.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 23:06:30 -0000 Received: by light.lbin.com (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3) id ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:01:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347CAB47.BFD5A28E@lbin.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:05:44 -0800 From: Ryan PC Gibson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Messiah Wannabe CC: sfraves Subject: Re: Laminates References: <19971126225204.1257.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk try a hardware store with a decent plumbing / electrical section. they are usually sold for inside the tank on your crapper and for light switches. theoretically, i guess, light switches inside your crapper too ;O) > ps actually now that i think about it, i don't really know where to > find those "ball-link" chains for attaching laminates to yer neck - > where do they come from? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 23:11:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3073 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 23:11:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 3065 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 23:11:10 -0000 Received: from seidc.sei.com (198.202.174.1) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 23:11:10 -0000 Received: (from kk@localhost) by seidc.sei.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04036; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:10:12 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Randall Message-Id: <199711262310.PAA04036@seidc.sei.com> Subject: Re: Laminates To: messiahw@rocketmail.com (Messiah Wannabe) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:10:11 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <19971126225204.1257.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> from "Messiah Wannabe" at Nov 26, 97 02:52:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > > ps actually now that i think about it, i don't really know where to > find those "ball-link" chains for attaching laminates to yer neck - > where do they come from? For a long time I just used a pink day-glo piece of string I found at the party I originally got my laminate at (I was on the crew so there was lots of it about!). Later I bought a cheap whistle at a sports store which came with a string and clip, threw away the whistle, and presto! A laminates string! - Martin =] From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 23:18:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4625 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 23:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 4610 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 23:18:06 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 23:18:06 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05335; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:27:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711252040.AA18435@crl.crl.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19971125120330.00920eb0@hyperreal.org> from "Brian Behlendorf" at Nov 25, 97 12:03:30 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:19:38 -0800 To: Sharif Torpis From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: Track ID Cc: brian@hyperreal.org (Brian Behlendorf), storpis@crl.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 12:40 PM -0800 11/25/97, Sharif Torpis wrote: >> At 11:01 AM 11/25/97 -0800, Sharif Torpis wrote: >> >Anyone know the drum & bass track that makes extensive use of Irish >> >fiddles (?) ... known to be played a lot at Katie O'Brien's ... quite >> >beautiful too ... thanks for any info >> >> Wouldn't this be more appropriate to ask on the drum-n-bass list? or maybe >> the sfjungle list? >> >> Only half-serious - just making a point! >> >> Brian > >You're comparing an androgynous doll to a D&B >track question? No he is not, he's making a very valid point that raving covers an entire spectrum of subjects. Something, it seems, *you* do not understand. > You really don't understand do you? Uh B. Behlendorf started this list. He's been raving a really long time, and has more than an adequate clue about what's up! > You aren't making any >point at all ... you are now being patronizing and facetious and sarcastic. Hmmm..ad hominem attacks. No Brina was being sarcastic (lightly), and he was being kind. Why not just relax and take it easy. Oh yeah, you might want to stop with all the characterizations in the negative. Brian is none of those things (except for his sarcasm, he's good at that!). Peace & relax g, John "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 23:33:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9056 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 23:33:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 9047 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 23:33:38 -0000 Received: from dry2.jps.net (208.25.63.250) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 23:33:38 -0000 Received: from dry.jps.net (dry.jps.net [208.25.63.253]) by dry2.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08700 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.138.233.99] (istk-port2556.jps.net [205.138.233.99]) by dry.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA10049 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:33:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711262333.PAA10049@dry.jps.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:38:17 +0100 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: moshe1@jps.net (Moshe Kasher) Subject: Re: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk du> >>>Subject: Fuck Sober Raving >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >>>Precedence: bulk >>> >>>I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! in response >>>from onw who has never gone to a party on anything ever! fuck raving >>>sober????? FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>================================================= >>>************************************************* >>> "One in three must find some peace." >>>************************************************* >>>================================================= >>> >> >> >> From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Nov 26 23:44:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11505 invoked by uid 6000); 26 Nov 1997 23:44:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 11496 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 23:44:40 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 23:44:40 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-88.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.88]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA16959 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:44:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347CB57E.3FCC@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:49:18 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Laminates References: <199711262310.PAA04036@seidc.sei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Martin Randall wrote: > > > > > ps actually now that i think about it, i don't really know where to > > find those "ball-link" chains for attaching laminates to yer neck - > > where do they come from? > Strings and chains around your neck? Stay tuned for the foolish fish sfraves laminate... a hologram implanted permanently in your forehead.. it also contains a nanochip sensor so that when ever you get within 3ft of another sfraver the hologram starts glowing and sending electrical impulses to the pleasure centers of your brain. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish seriously tho...i like the idea of each person creating their own unique laminate...or perhaps making a special one for a special friend. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 00:02:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15386 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 00:02:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 15066 invoked by uid 76); 27 Nov 1997 00:02:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19971127000203.15065.qmail@hyperreal.org> From: dhchung@hyperreal.org Subject: The Thanksgiving SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.org (SF Raves) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:02:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.org (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL37 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk It's a big Thanksgiving weekend starting with Solid in SF tonight and the Green Gorilla Lounge down south. On Friday there's plenty of opportunities to burn some calories, and Saturday has a couple of big ones too, and finally Stompy comes together on Sunday. Happy Thanksgiving! THE SFR CALENDAR http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Wednesday, November 26th - _The Green Gorilla Lounge_ Jeno, Spun, John Howard, Solar, M3, Peanut Butter Wolf, PJ. $5 before 11. Once a month. 21+, $7. the Germania, 261 North 2nd St @ Julian, San Jose. 408.747.7728 Wednesday, November 26th - On The One presents Solid one year anniversary exploring the universal sounds of abstract jazzy beats to drum n' bass Paul, Tomas, Darkhorse, Goldilox, DJ Louis (Static Sound System/Bristol UK). $7 before 11. 9pm-3am, $10. the Transmission Theater, 314 11th St @ Folsom, SF. 415.331.1500 ext. O.N.E. Wednesday, November 26th - Global Underworld Records presents Feast Crash Worship, Beyond Race, Doo Rag, DJ Steve Pagan, DJ Abstract. tix on sale at Daddy's Records, Housewares, Safely Ascend and Solid Grooves. 9:30pm-4:30am, 18+, $20. 225 2nd St., Oakland. 415.835.0659 Friday, November 27th - Ultra 5 presents _Smarties_ one room - one vibe - one love Donald Glaude, Barry Weaver, DJ Dan, Jeno, Rick V (In Tha Mix), Bryen (In Tha Mix). 415.267.4849 408.984.4033 800.204.3986 916.484.4006 Friday, November 28th - Feel Good Entertainment presents The 'SPIRIT' of Giving: Thanksgiving PLURity VIBE-Fest Carlos, DRC, Tony, Mark Johns, Essence, Vertigo, MODA, Kevin Kind, Kwashi, Ghost & Frank Nitty, Tripnotix & Paucus, Josh Schwab & Corey, Macadio & Micron, The E-Team: DJ EFX & M2000 with Big Ed on congas, Dean Kroh, Moshe, Boomerang Fidget, Deepfog, Bloom, Spinner, Slim, Jeff Taisch, Ulrich, Chillz, Ray Vonie, surprise guests. DJ-Vision, Low-Tek-Land Chill Zone, Visuals by I-Candy, QuestionMark?, LSD and ViewMaster. a large portion of the proceeds will be donated to the Bay Area Homeless Alliance. This will be a smaller and more intimate Feel Good Family Happening in a fully permitted, safe and centrally located Bay Area location. 415.263.0483 510.888.2358 408.881.0785 Friday, November 28th - Square One & Togetha presents _Embrace_ Simon Apex, Markus, DJ Sol, J.P., DJ Dennis, DJ Rockit, Matt G, DJ Scot, Wyatt, Jimmy Zimms, Akira, Jus' tom, Bryen. 916.328.3559 Friday, November 28th - SOCiETY presents _Fairy Tale!_ Sho, Greg Sandler, Trace, Cloud, Stacks, Nemo, Dyloote (LA), Lindsay (LA), DRC. Presale Only. 415.560.9756 Friday, November 28th - Future Club Production presents _Dancing Galaxy_ Mystr-E, Ethan, Dino, ND. all night. 18+, $12. 415.905.8847 Friday, November 28th - _The Full Effect_ Henrik, Kenneth Sol, Taj, Andrew Rawnsley. 10pm-5am, 21+, $10. Big Heart City, 836 Mission St, SF. Friday, November 28th - Future Primitive Soundsession further explorations into quantum beat mechanics Collaborating on 5 turntables: Cut Chemist and Nu-Mark, Z-Trip and Radar, Faust and Kraze, Thomas aka the Mammal, Stellar Trax Soundsystem, DJ Anna, Felix the Dog. Visuals by UV-99. Graffiti Arts by The Aerosol Syndicate Presale tix at Open Mind Music, House of Flys, Aquarius Records, BPO and www.ticketweb.com. 21+. Transmission Theater, 314 11th St, SF. 415.905.8868 Friday, November 28th - The Mist and Solesides presents _Latryx_ DJ Quest, Spacetraellerz, J.Boogie, Peanut Butter Wolf, Romanowski, Noah the Transcendental Terrorist, Doze, RockSteady. Visuals by Angel Biotek, Lo Tek Atari Art. 10pm-, 21+. 1190 Folsom St, SF. 415.431.3332 Saturday, November 29th - Bigfloor - A New Beginning celebrating 4 years of smiles! Created in the Tribal Funk tradition! Upbeat Arena: DJ Dan, Donald Glaude on 4 turntables, Thomas Michael (LA), Tony, Jason Blakemore (DJ Trance/LA), Doran (LA), David Coleman, Downbeat Dimension: The Mammal (London, aka Thomas-Wicked), Mark Farina, Cut Chemist & Nu-mark (LA, 4 turntables), Z-Trip & Radar (Phoenix, 4 turntables), Faust & Craze (Atlanta, 4 turntables), Charlotte the Baroness, Laron, more TBA. Proceeds from this event will be donated to benefit the Haight Ashbury Free Clinics. The BIGFLOOR has an _unlimited_ capacity! Don't stress about presale tickets. 415.905.4476 510.906.5339 Saturday, November 29th - Space Children presents the third annual Be Here Now exclusive live performance by Eat Static (UK), U.S. debut live performance by drum n' bass legend A Guy Called Gerald (UK), U.S. debut live performance by The Sugar Experiment Station (Scotland, aka Neil Landstrumm & Tobias Schmidt), Sativae Records founder Dave Tarrida (Scotland), Barry Weaver, Cesar, Graeme, Rock n' the House with DJ Preston, Galen, Planet Dog records founder Michael Dog (UK). limited $20 presale tix available soon. capacity limited to only 2000 Space Children, so pick up an advance ticket to secure your place. Maritime Hall, 450 Harrison St, SF. 415.675.4700 510.461.SPACE Saturday, November 29th - Get On It Productions presents _Sonic Boom_ Orbit, Radius, Max Alert, Scribbles, Panic, outdoor stage: Tina K, Sid, happy kill, Traffic, Devotion, special guests TBA. Visuals by freelance of LA. located 3 hours south of SF. visalia. 800.971.7896 800.971.8396 Saturday, November 29th - _Dance in the Universal Heartbeat_ Adnan, Josh, guests. 12-6am, Free. 415.289.6775 Sunday, November 30th - _Stompy Dig-In SF_ Mark Farina, Jonene, Preston, Buggin' Out and the Terrorist Society with jungle teknicians...Noel, Andrew Rawnsley, Push, Solar. noon-10pm, 21+, $13. 278 11th St, SF. Monday, December 1st - Belief Systems presents _Inhabit the Machines_ Neil Landstrumm and Tobias Schmidt LIVE, Djs Dave Tarrida (Sativae Records, Scotland), Jon Williams (Organised Noise), Sutekh (Belief Systems, Static). 9pm-2am, 18+, $5. 415.979.3005 Friday, December 5th - Deep deep/progressive house, techno, etc. Forest Green, Monty, BioJeff. First Friday of each month. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Il Pirata, 2007 16th St @ Potrero, SF. Friday, December 5th - _One World_ Rockin' on til the breaka breaka dawn! Grev-V, Laird, Mark Grant (Cajual/Chicago), DJ Doubt, Laron. 11pm-6am, 21+, $12. 174 King St, SF. 415.273.1170 Saturday, December 6th - Togetha presents _Fun For Kids_ a Christmas toy drive for less fortunate children in Sacramento. Rick Preston, Matt G, Flash, Markus, J.P., John Michael, DJ Dennis, Mike Moss, Jus'tom, DJ Sol. Free with packaged toy donation Sacramento. 916.484.3791 Saturday, December 6th - _Light-Bright_ Brad & Brian (Moontribe, LA), Mike (F-8), Nylsin, Kamia. This will be a very special party in the Santa Cruz area. 408.460.0676 Saturday, December 6th - Oblivion Productions presents Sugar Deep, Progressive House Jay-J, Chip McClure, Lewis, Ellen Ferrato. 9pm-3am, 21+, $5. the Stud, 399 9th St @ Harrison, SF. Saturday, December 6th - _Eeyore's Party_ Vincent (Parallel Recordings), Thermal, Dreams without Numbers (Silent), Discorporate (Sebsi vs. Heatshield), pH Synkro. Visuals by Donovan. 415.339.8123 Sunday, December 7th - _A Gathering in People's Park_ Treavor (Moontribe), Greg Sandler (Harmony), Linda Love, Shoam (A.R.M.), Tha Roman (yougoodmissy soundsystem), Michael (ygm/LA). Please bring a can of food to donate to the Berkeley Emergency Food Project 11am-6pm, All ages, Free. People's Park, , Berkeley. 510.308.1LOV(e) Tuesday, December 9th - Buddah Clan presents _Primitive_ tribal beats, breakbeats, detroit techno fionn, ivan, julio c. 10pm-2am, 21+. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. Thursday, December 11st - _Pure Space_ Markie, Spun, Buck, John Howard. Lightshows by Donovan & FU-KUU Hi-Fi. Offworld vegie food by Adnan/Eddie. $5 before midnight, $7 after. 9pm-??, 21+. VSF, 278 11th St., SF. 415.487.7691 Friday, December 12nd - Psychophunkadelicious Productions presents _Playground_ Pyro, Micron, Thorfio, Macadio, Vertigo, Jelo & Fubari (XOR tag team), SK3, Science, Hak, Siphon, Sam, Pengo, Deepfog, Jeph, 64K, Lori, other special guests. This will be an epic underground event, dedicated to the SFRaves family experience. This party will be in an indoor centralized SF location. Tix on sale December 1st. SF. Saturday, December 13rd - Spacecake an evening in outer space Tomas (Stellar Regions), Cardboard Truck (live) featuring Jason Mouse, Jason Fluid and Wastemaster, Positive P (one track mind), Tarantel (live), Maneesh the Twister. 9pm-1am, 21+. Peacock Lounge, 552 Haight St, SF. Friday, December 19th - Doubledown Productions presents Family Ties Cyberjive (Indianapolis), Tracy, Rasoul, Dreamer, Vince (Vacaville), Paul Gordon (Sac). 916.492.8497 916.492.6322 415.437.6905 510.674.8663 408.920.2288 Saturday, December 20th - AmpedOnEntertainment presents _The Boondocks: Your 2nd Trip_ Amped OnEntertainment would like to invite everyone who showed up and Entered the Boondocks to join us for the second trip. Ghost (Ghostribe), Jeno, Garth, Pete Avila, Rafriki (Amped OnE). $15 b4 11:00 so arrive early. 9pm-, 18+. 1.800.956.2515 Saturday, December 20th - BMP presents _Candyland_ Tripnotix, Jon Bishop, Jazz-E, Ghost, Simon, Essence, Paucus. Visuals by LSD, Multimedia Meltdown. $5 discount w/canned food. 800.611.2299 800.745.6464 415.263.0849 510.273.9083 916.491.1954 Saturday, December 27th - the Harmony Family presents _Beautiful People_ Bringing the Harmony Family back together! Costumes encouraged. Presale tix available soon - $20. Only 500 tickets will be sold. We have a beautiful space just 15 minutes from SF 408.486.9591 Saturday, December 27th - SF House Collective presents _Love_ Carlos, Tony, Simon, Melanie, Jorge, Jason. 415.615.8559 510.594.4076 Wednesday, December 31st - _Come/Unity_ 415.241.8815 Wednesday, December 31st - Get On It Productions presents _EPIC_ new year's gathering of the minds! Koo-Kane, Orbit, Sid, Radius, Traffic, Scribbles, Tina K, W.O.W., Panic, Devotion, Happy Kill. located 3 hours south of SF in middle california....uniting the state. 9pm-9am, . 800.971.7896 800.971.8396 Wednesday, December 31st - Toon Town New Year's Eve 415.703.7107 Wednesday, December 31st - Spundae Productions presents Birth of a New Year DJ Dan, Terry Mullan (Chi), DJ Dag (Germany), Ellen Ferrato, Jerry Bonham, Sandra Collins (LA), Grover (Sea), David Michael, Mark Tabberner (England), Darkhorse, to be continued. 8pm-8am, 21+. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.974.9389 Wednesday, December 31st - Kickdrum & Fuz-E presents _New Years Eve!_ DJs TBA.. Sacramento. 916.484.4022 916.484.4040 916.603.0772 Wednesday, December 31st - _the SF New Year's Eve Midnight Express '98_ Garth, John Howard, Taj, Alien Tom (SD), Dave D., more exclusive DJs & live acts TBA.. 8pm-8am, 21+. SF. 415.668.2476 Saturday, January 10th - Ghostribe Productions presents Acid Breaks 2 The 1 Year Anniversary Carlos, DJ Ghost, Frank Nitty, Miss Knight, Joey, Kwashi, Tripnotix, Noel, UFO, Rent, Star Eyes, Flux, MC Phluid, Hak, introducing Oscar Meyer. more to come... 415.273.1474 510.986.9227 408.881.0678 Saturday, January 10th - 12 Monkeys presents _Little House in the City_ Dan Issac (12 Monkeys), Simon, Tony, DJ BIZZ (Chemically Minded Records), Doc Martin (LA), more TBA. 415.436.0714 510.407.1208 Saturday, January 17th - Space Children presents All Together Now 3 year anniversary Expect an absolutely stellar line up from all around our beautiful planet. 415.675.4700 510.461.SPACE Saturday, January 17th - _Planet Rock_ John Aquaviva, (charles) feelgood, DJ Dan, donald glaude, jim hopkins, kid bippy, sugarhill gang, grandmaster flash, del tha funkee homosapien, invisibl skratch piklz, emil & z-trip, danny da wild child, r.a.w., 119 crew, phunckateck. much more to be announced 415.675.5603 510.869.4137 916.492.5477 Saturday, January 24th - 6 in da mornin productions presents _Ground Zero 3: the Resurrection_ Ghost & Frank Nitty on 4, Terry Mullan, Tripnotix, Hipp-E, Kimo, Jason Jinx, Jim Hopkins, dB, DJ Dan, Simply Jeff, More TBA. after a year in the making, this party will include internationally recognized talent, plenty of free giveaways. $20. 800.590.7032 Saturday, January 24th - _Lightseed One Year_ Benefitting the world's rainforests DJs and other performing info to come. 415.458.0337 707.329.2189 Friday, January 30th - Navigator Productions presents _Journey_ Simply Jeff (LA), DJ Heretic (LA), Imix (S.L.T.), Neme (Sac), Patrick (Sac). 916.829.6207 Saturday, January 31st - Adrenalin presents _In House We Trust_ Jeno, Tony, Simon, Carlos, Mellanie, Pat Allen, Jazz-e, Moda, Shaft, Paucus, Kwashi, Essence, Spinner, Tripnotix, Kimo. Visuals by Multimedia Meltdown. more info TBA. Saturday, February 14th - Feel Good Entertainment presents Love A-Fair '98 Valentine's Day PLURity Vibe-Fest and Six year anniversary Much more info to follow... 415.263.0483 _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... Wednesday _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first Wednesday of the month. 10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815 _Phunckatech_ - jungle, hiphop w/DJs UFO, Juju, Abstract, Spell, Noel, Jason Mouse, S.C.U.B.A. SKWAD DJs Charlie Bucket and Beatjakr. 10pm-3am, 18+, $5. Cat's Grill and Alley, 1190 Folsom, SF. 415.331.1500x16 _JR's Club_ - house, trance w/DJs DJ Allen. 8pm-2am, Free. 2520 Camino Diablo, Walnut Creek. 510.256.1200 _monophonic_ - Minimal Techno, Progressive House w/DJs Corey Black, Perfect, Lauren, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th @ S Van Ness, SF. _ElectroniKa_ - Spesh, Kimon, Gil. Visuals by Hyperdelic.Fantastic Vibe. 5pm-9pm, Free. 111 Minna St, SF. _Recline_ - rare and abstract w/DJs Wisdom, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard @ 2nd., SF. 415.824.9878 _Count Your Blessings_ - house w/DJs Miquel, Alain Del Corazon. wednesday night/thursday morning after Come/Unity. 5:30am-noon, . Cat's Grill, 1190 Folsom St, SF. _Escape_ - ali, mitch, hutch, special guests. Jax House, 1145 N.Fulton, Fresno. 209.268.4289 _The Lounge_ - house w/DJs house DJs from near and far. 10p-2a, 21+, $3. The Red Lion Inn, 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.484.3706 _Twist_ - Deep and Swing House w/DJs Christopher, weekly guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $5. the Beer Cellar, 685 Sutter @ Taylor, SF. 415.317.1754 _the Bulletproof Social_ - jazz, soul, latin, house, disco, dub, jungle w/DJs kevin, george, jayson, richard, kirsten, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. nickie's, 484 haight st, SF. The Basement Lounge - house w/DJs Miguel "Migs", rotating deep dj's weekly. Club 1028, 1028 Geary @ Polk, SF. 415.376.1176 _sofalize_ - ...next level loungin' w/DJs rotating DJs. donations appreciated...bring i.d. and please respect the space. full coffee bar / literature. 9pm-. 415.789.8308 _the Vinyl Treetmnt_ - house, jungle, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. 415.522.2343 _Mr Frisky_ - Mike LeFebvrier, Toph (Royal Jelly). 10pm- $6. Infusion, 555 2nd St b/w Bryant & Brannan., SF. 415.346.SPOT _Groove-In_ - phat new grooves, downtempo & funky breakbeat w/DJs guests weekly. 21+. Red Devil Lounge, 1695 Polk St @ Clay, SF. 415.921.1695 [11.26 - DJ Charlotte w/groove-in DJ] Thursday _Sharpshooter_ - acid jazz, hip hop, soul w/DJs George, Aural B, Romanowski, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $4. elbo room, 647 Valencia, SF. 415.552.7788 Anthem - house, funk, disco w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jorge Martinez, Sista Black, guests. 10pm-6am, 21+, $3. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.978.0181 _Sprung_ - funk meets the future w/DJs Manny Rosa, the Baroness, Jimmm the dj, guests. alternate Thursdays (10/30...) 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. _Royal Jelly_ - explorations in creative and social behaviour. Sound experiments in digital rhythm and note fantasies w/DJs Lefebvrier, Toph, Travis, guest DJs and live acts weekly. 7pm-, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th St @ So.Van Ness, SF. _Vibe_ - deep acid trance, gay, bi and straight w/DJs Jon Bush, Natalie Dierickx. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Stud, 9th & Harrison, SF. _Thursday Night Therapy_ - house, techno w/DJs Jazz-E, Josh Schwab, Corey, guests. call for location. 9pm-3am, 18+. , SF 415.281.8466 _karmachanics_ - house music w/DJs Erin, Krista. Alternate Thursdays. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. _Kit Kat_ - house. 10pm-4am, 21+. the End Up, 6th & Harrison, SF. _Mosaic_ - Mauricio, the Baroness, Shannon, Franky. begins July 17th. 7 Spring St between Kearny & Montgomery, SF. _Trainspotters_ - UK Progressive House w/DJs DJ Phat Pat, guests. 21+, $3. 1333 Columbus @ North Point, SF. _Eklektic_ - jungle w/DJs StarEyes, Sage, weekly guests. $3 before 11 10p-2a, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 279 Howard @ 2nd, SF. 415.332.5800 x24-7 the kitchen sink - Stareyes, Monty, Joe Rice, guests. $2 before 10p. 9:30p-2a, 18+, $4. Blake's, 2367 Telegraph @ Durant, Berkeley. _Discovery_ - a night of house and disco music w/DJs Greg Sandler, Erik Brown, Urn. bi-weekly. 21+, Free. Masses Pool Hall, 625 Fifth St, Santa Rosa. 707.571.8747 Friday Nikita - house, techno w/DJs Simon, Jeno, David Michael, Jerry Bonham. Broadcast live on the net at www.1015.com. Downstairs, Sticks and Stones- provacateurs of Bass present Drum + Bassment with resident DJ Kayar. 10pm-6am, 21+, $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568 [11.28 - Dave Angel (England)] [12.5 - Robbie Hardiss, Gavin Hardkiss, Scott Hardkiss] [12.12 - DJ Icey] [12.19 - DJ Dan] [12.26 - Sasha (England)] _Sea Monkeys_ - The World's Only Instant Live Party! w/DJs Romanowski, the Formaggio's, guests. $3 before 11 10pm-3am, 21+, $5. Minna Street Gallery, 111 Minna St, SF. 415.974.1719 _Liquid_ - rare groove, trip hop, drum & bass, abstract beats w/DJs Groove Merchant DJs, Tom Thump, Cool Chris. 7pm-, 21+. Liquid, 2925 16th St @ So.Van Ness, SF. Fusion - house w/DJs Pat Allen, TJ, Jay R, Larry Live, Phil Salter, Cameron, Mark Engler, Rob Bishop. 3 DJs per night, free before 10pm. 9pm-4am, 21+, $5. 1220 Pine St, Walnut Creek. _Product_ - house w/DJs Norman 'The Truth' Stradley, sherif, Jay-J, Marc Jellybear, DJ Fuze. 21+. the Sound Factory, 525 Harrison St, SF. 415.979.8686 _JR's/Club X_ - 2 Dancefloors w/DJs DJ Allen (Club X), DJ Charles (JR's). $9 for the under 21 crowd. 8p-4a, 18+, $5. 2520 Camino Diablo, Walnut Creek. 510.256.1200 _Heat_ - Paul. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. 2200 Harvard (in Club Avalon inside the Hilton), Sacramento. 916.922.4700 _Moist and Delicious_ - Mellow hip-jazz to rollin' dnb w/DJs Jake, Visa, guests. 8pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Skylark, 16th & Valencia, SF. _beware of the naughty nurse_ - house w/DJs Robbie Hardkiss. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _In Depth_ - The deep beats of jazz w/DJs Thomas Roberts. 10pm-4am, . 450 Harrison @ 1st, SF. Drunkyn Mastyrz - hip-hop breaks and jungle w/DJs Drunkyn Mastyrz, dayzr. every first friday of the month. 10pm-2am, Free. The Attic, 3336 24th St @ Bartlett, SF. _Abstract Soul_ - house w/DJs Corey Black, Loren, Solar, guests. free before 11. 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard St, SF. _Stir-Fri-Day_ - drum & bass-dub-hip-hop-house-funk-rare grooves w/DJs guests weekly. 5pm-9pm, 21+. Minna St Gallery, 111 Minna St, SF. _Liquid_ - Sugar-D, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $5. Neptune's, 5990 S Land Park Dr, Sacramento. 916.452.9823 Saturday _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Nobel, Vince, Christine, Daniel, guests. saturday morning 5:30am-3pm, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF. 415.208.7665 _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr. Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457 _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights. 10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903 Loveworks - house w/DJs Dani, Matt Valenz, guests. i.a.o [inspiration aaron o] 9pm-infinity, . 111 Minna Street, SF. 415.646.0744 GrassRoots - growing the freshest in house beats. w/DJs kelvin k, Uneke, Adonis, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. 415.864.7386 _Pablo's Sugar Shack_ - SF's Funkiest House and Rare-Jazzy Grooves w/DJs Taj, Jay-J, Lele, Buna, Monty, Markiss, Mofo, Roman, SFRaves lounge + guests. 10pm-afterhours, 21+, $10. VSF, 278 Folsom @ 11th, SF. 415.668.2476 [11.29 - Nobel] [12.6 - Garth] [12.13 - Tracy] [12.20 - Mark Lewis (LA)] [12.27 - Taj] [1.3 - John Howard] _Moist and Delicious_ - Mellow hip-jazz to rollin' dnb w/DJs Jake, Visa, guests. 8pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Skylark, 16th & Valencia, SF. _RoM_ - an evening of sophisticated deep house... w/DJs Chad Mitchell. 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th St, SF. 415.289.6833 _i Heard That_ - house w/DJs Alain del Corazon, Ruben Mancias, Chris Lum, Rasoul, guests. 9:30pm-2am, 21+, $5. Kate O'Brien's, 579 Howard St, SF. 415.626.9097 _Heavy_ - house, trip hop w/DJs Laron (Black Diamond), DJ Buna (Obora Records), Felix the Dog (Black Diamond). 10pm-2am, 21+. 1028 Geary St @ Polk, SF. 415.605.7949 Sunday Spundae - House, Techno w/DJs Carlos, David Michael, weekly guests. free b4 10:30p 10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. 415.974.9389 [11.30 - DJ Trance (LA), Thomas Michael (LA), Doran (LA), Ryno, Hector, David Michael] [12.7 - Josh Wink (Phil), David Michael, Carlos, Angelz, Gianni, Niven] [12.28 - Peter Pan (Eng), Andy Macari (Eng), Troy (Sea), David Michael, Carlos] _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore, SF. 415.771.2583 _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, Ruben Mancias, guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256 _Mix Lounge_ - techno, house, jungle w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 9pm-2am, $4. 2513 Van Ness, SF. 415.928.0404 _Dub Mission_ - SF's only dub night w/DJs Sep, J.Boogie, Ludichris, other surprises. 9pm-, 21+, $3. the Elbo Room, 647 Valencia @ 17th, SF. 415.552.7788 _Plush_ - house, jungle, trance, ambient w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 9:30p-2a, 21+, $3. 2708 J St, Sacramento. 916.484.4285 _ultra magnetic/left coast chronicles_ - jungle, drum n bass w/DJs abstract, spell, jason mouse, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _float_ - chillin' house beats in a new space w/DJs John Howard, Jason Mouse, Erin (409). 10p-2a, 21+, Free. Liquid, 2925 16th @ Mission, SF. 415.431.8889 _Breakfast at Tiffany's_ - Serving deep house w/DJs Para, Victor, Nickola. complimentary breakfast (bagels, fresh fruit, pastries) 9am-5pm, 21+. DNA Lounge, 375 11th St, SF. 415.635.6906 _Super8000_ - analogus expeririments in the chemical composition of celluloid and wax. 21+. Edinburgh Castle, 950 Geary @ Polk, SF. _Nice_ - house, techno w/DJs Spun, special guests. free before 11. 21+, $5. basement of the Agenda, , San Jose. _Jungle Love_ - thumpin variety of drum and bass w/DJs Sifu, Gamekat, MC Angel, guests. $5 before 11pm. 9pm-3am, 21+, $7. 161 Eddy St, SF. 415.281.0772 _gravity_ - funk, dub, hip hop, jungle w/DJs tomas, andrew jervis, markus, guests weekly. on the mic: jamalski 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. upstairs at Paradise, 11th & Folsom, SF. 415.974.4358 [11.30 - Ron & Vanka (Stellar Trax)] [12.7 - Solar] _Four Four Baby_ - an afternoon of house music w/DJs patrick, lamont, chris orr. 3pm-10pm, 21+, $6. il pirata, 16th St @ Potrero, SF. 415.626.2626 Waterproof - ethereal grooves, real people w/DJs Mauricio, Franky. 10pm-, 21+, Free. backflip, 601 Eddy @ Larkin, SF. Saolta - a TrancelectroCeltic dance party altern8 Sundays. 9pm-2am, 21+. 1600 Market St, SF. 415.273.1845 Monday _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu, stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151 Folsom St, SF. _Phreak Mode_ - Bass, Booty and Beat Trax w/DJs DJ Positive P, Kit Clayton (One Jack Mind), Jim, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight, SF. _Beat Box_ - drum'n'bass, jungle, downtempo w/DJs Val. 9:30pm-, 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th St, SF. _Noc Noc_ - Drum'n'bass, downtempo and electronica w/DJs Mohsen. every other Monday. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. 557 Haight St, SF. 415.861.5811 _One_ - techno, trance w/DJs Ulf, T.C., guests. Visuals by Eyetribe.8pm-2am, 21+, $4. the Cellar, 685 Sutter @ Taylor, SF. _Undertow_ - hardcore, techno, jungle. every other Monday starting August 25th. More details to follow... 21+, $2. Mansion Pub, 132 Est., Davis. 916.759.7163 _NO TV _- From Pure Ambient to House in 7 hours w/DJs Wunjo, Henrik Rosal, guest(s). $5 b4 10pm. Every other Monday. 9pm-3:30am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.675.9899 [12.1 - Scott Hardkiss] [12.15 - Kenneth Sol, David Michael] _Spackle_ - house, techno w/DJs Sean, guests weekly. 6am-12:30pm, 21+, $4. 1028 Geary Ave, SF. _Mondays on Hayes_ - house, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. starts in November. 21+, Free. 520 Hayes, SF. _Curveball_ - a midtempo night's dream w/DJs Smove, Rhyme Scheme, Tony Scott, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. Club Paradise, 1028 Geary Blvd., SF. 415.605.9057 _Density_ - 98% Concentrated Urban Beats saturated with Drum & Bass Deconstructions w/DJs Al Simmons, Fluid Motion (Om/Mephisto), Paul (On The One), Aural B (Sharpshooter), Moc. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Justice League, 628 Divisadero, SF. 415.440.0409 Sister - house, jungle, hip hop w/DJs guests weekly. cat's grill, 1190 Folsom St, SF. 415.255.4333 [12.1 - Charlotte the Baroness, Dani, Tracy, Annie, Goldilox & Kristin] [12.8 - drum'n'bass w/ Stareyes, Sage, Miss Knight, Kristin & Annie] [12.15 - hip hop w/ DJ Black, Charlotte the Baroness, live performance by Michaela plus special guest] [12.22 - X-Max party w/ Anna, Polywog, Sage, Kristin & Annie plus guest] [12.29 - funky house w/ Ellen Ferrato, Marjorie, Charlotte the Baroness plus special guest] Tuesday _Eclectic_ - house, jungle, drum & bass w/DJs Yamu, Siege, Franko, Foster, guests. Fresh fruit & condoms to all 9pm-2am, 21+. Paradise Bar & Grill, 5356 College Ave, Oakland. _Rhythm_ - house, techno w/DJs Daniel, Stevian, Mark Willson, Mark Silva, live congas by Brian, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. Greg's Bar, 551 W.Julian/Montgomery, San Jose. 408.286.4388 _Buggin' Out and the terrorist society_ - drum'n'bass for your head space on the 11th of every month w/DJs mateo, push, gamekat. 9:30p-, 21+, $3. cafe mars, 798 Brannan, SF. 415.522.2343 _Pure_ - house w/DJs Brian Brandon, guests. 9pm-, 18+. The Rage, 1890 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.929.0232 Static - Techno, Drum & Bass, Downtempo, Electro w/DJs ReAch, Quantum, Brad, Darin Marshall, Sutekh, guests. 10pm-2am, $2. 2925 16th @ S Van Ness, SF. _Get Energy_ - an evening of energetic fusion w/DJs Mark Farina. 21+, $5. V/SF, 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. 415.635.6906 _Sedate Grooves_ - downbeat, drum'n'bass, breaks, hip hop and weird noises w/DJs David, Erik (Phunkatech), weekly guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _Move_ - house w/DJs DJ Josh, guests weekly. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. 1028 Geary @ Polk, SF. _Vision Quest_ - Joe Lanza, Will, Dice, JKR, weekly guests. 9p-2a, 21+, $5. 1655 B Willow Pass Rd, Concord. 510.594.4007 _Spin Cycle_ - guests weekly. 7pm-10pm, Free. the Black Box Cabaret, 3rd St & 4th Avenue, Monterey. _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * the Buzz-line, a global party network - 415.569.3300 * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV/Net Shows * Sunday night 8pm-10pm - "Soundz of Resistance" w/DJ Poohbear. Underground electronic music, mainly jungle/drum and bass, dub and hard techno along with guest DJs, interviews and not-so-random amples of life. KZSC 88.1 (Santa Cruz) * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Sunday night midnight-1am - "Shortwave" - Electronic music in all of its guises. KALX, 90.7 FM (Berkeley) * Wednesday night 9pm-11pm - free form music mix. KPFA 94.1 (Berkeley) * Wednesday night/Thursday morning - "the tube" hosted by miss laura aka lola. an electronic excursion into ambient soundscapes, ethereal trance, and washes of other whimsical muzik. KAZU 90.3 (Monterey Bay Community Radio) * Thursday morning 10am-2pm - "The Further Adventures of Aardvark" - trip-hop to experimental to ambient to gabba etc, etc. KSJS 90.5 (San Jose). * Thursday 5pm-9pm - The Beta Lounge - Live netcast of jungle, dub, breakbeat, hiphop, ambient, experimental. http://www.betalounge.com/ * Thursday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. The best in beats to satiate your inner child. Electronic dance, noise, spoken word, world music and more. Also available in RealAudio. KZSU 90.1 (Stanford) * Friday 10am-3pm - weekly DJ netcasts. x-radio. * Friday 3pm-6pm - free form music mix. KUSF 90.3 (SF) (also available on Realaudio * Friday 9:30am-noon - Snappy the Aligator plays deep groove music that dips into cool electronic sounds, classic soul, reggae & more. KALX, 90.7 FM (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Jungle, Detroit, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday night 9pm-mid - "Underbrush" w/DJ Radon and guests - Beats, Breakz and Buzz KZSU 90.1 (Stanford). Also broadcast via RealAudio. * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@flux.net * (every other) Saturday night 10p-12:30a - "1984" w/DJ Richtoffen. House, Trance and German rave. 90.1 (Chico) * Saturday night - "amp" 1am. MTV. * Saturday night - "Subsonic". 1am-6am, KITS 105.3 SF. * Saturday night - "House Nation" w/"Anthems Mix", Top 10s from guest DJs and "London Connection w/DJ Doubt". 2am-4am, WILD 94.9 SF. * Ambiance Magazine - 9:30p weds-sun PNC Cable 2 (Modesto & Oakdale), 9p fri & sat, marcus cable ch 9 (ceres & turlock). _________________________________________________________________ For a _search_ interface to the calendar, see the Late Train club section (http://www.latetrain.com/clubs/). _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.org with either the line subscribe sfraves-calendar or unsubscribe sfraves-calendar There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.org with the line subscribe sfraves in the body of the message. Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.org From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 00:03:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16090 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 00:03:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 16064 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 00:03:37 -0000 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 00:03:37 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id QAA25016; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:03:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:03:33 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: RE: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" In-Reply-To: <01BCFA75.CEDF7580@panda.cscomputing.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This recently happened to me here in SoCal. My buddy Joe (You all know him! He now goes by Joe Friday :D Anyway...) he made up a slew of SCR laminates to give away at this kinda small (150-200 persons). He had like 50 of them which would be able right... probably about 1/3 - 1/4 of the folks there would be from the list. Well, at some point this woman came up to me and asked for a laminate and asked what they were. I told her that we're on this Internet list and this is a way to put names to faces. I asked her if she was on the list and she said "No". I asked if she had an EMAIL address and she said she was in teh processing of getting one at school. So I told her how to subscribe and she didn't seem too upset to not get one. :/ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 00:18:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21902 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 00:18:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 21886 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 00:18:10 -0000 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 00:18:10 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id QAA27655; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:18:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:18:07 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: More Laminate Bullshit To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Another thing that I've seen Joe and other folks do is make up the Laminate for the list and have those, adn then make up a bunch other other ones, maybe smaller, but with different stuff, not list-related, on them. Then if someone asks for a laminate and it turns out they're not on the list, just give them an alternate one, ya know what I mean? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 00:22:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23465 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 00:22:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 23455 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 00:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LIGHTNING) (209.1.209.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 00:22:48 -0000 Received: from megan - 209.1.209.194 by medialive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:18:20 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971126162618.006a3ad4@medialive.com> X-Sender: megan@medialive.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:26:18 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org (SF Raves) From: Megan Hug Subject: NRR: Have a great looooong weekend! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk just wanted to say that i'm really excited to finally hear some of you guys from the list spin at SPIRIT! it should be a GREAT time! something that i'm definitely -thankful for- and looking forward to! hope to match up some more names with faces...

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i want to wish everyone a great thanksgiving... ...with or without turkey! \\I// << oo > \ \/ / gobble... \ I I / gobble... / \ ok... so i tried! :) megan From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 00:32:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26717 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 00:32:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 26709 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 00:32:50 -0000 Received: from kzsu.stanford.edu (36.118.0.90) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 00:32:50 -0000 Received: (from parch@localhost) by kzsu.Stanford.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA05803 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:32:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Mouton Message-Id: <199711270032.QAA05803@kzsu.Stanford.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: phunk attak Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk okay, can i get a rollcall on whose gonna be at phunkatek tonite? please? meeks will indeed be there =) whose down? can i get an AMEN??? meeks From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 00:36:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28119 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 00:36:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 28101 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 00:36:33 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 00:36:33 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xarwN-0007mT-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:36:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:36:29 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Alex Mouton cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: phunk attak In-Reply-To: <199711270032.QAA05803@kzsu.Stanford.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I'll be there... I don't wanna miss GOLDIE..... I'll be there with Mickey. Lets all look for eachother. I'll wear a "YELLOW" long sleeved Speedo shirt..... with black stripes on the sides. Peace. byroni On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Alex Mouton wrote: > okay, can i get a rollcall on whose gonna be at phunkatek tonite? please? > meeks will indeed be there =) > whose down? > > can i get an AMEN??? > meeks > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 00:40:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29897 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 00:40:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 29884 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 00:40:50 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys03.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS03) (207.68.152.40) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 00:40:50 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR03 - 207.68.143.159 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:40:22 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.34.184.188 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:40:21 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: "funkateers" Subject: Why do you go to parties? Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:47:11 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <015cf2140001bb7UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was thinking about what parties I wanted to go to in the remainder of 97, and I was trying to rule it down to just a few, since funds are limited. I shuffled through flyers saying to myself, "this one has a good line up, but this one looks more intimate, but this one is from a really good promoter, but all my friends want to go to this one . . ." So I wondered . . . how do you guys choose what parties you go to? Do you go to some because they have slick flyers w/ all those colorful high tech graphics? Or the ones your friends are going to? The ones that you hear people talk about on the list? Do you go to parties to see certain DJs? Do you go to a party because you respect the promoter? Do you look for parties that appear to have a certain vibe? Do you go to parties because you like the location? Or the ones that are within your budget? Basically, I'm just wondering how you guys decide where to go when there's several events you can choose from each weekend. I thought it'd be cool to see some opinions. I look for a good lineup, an established promoter, and I hope to hear some enthusiastic comments on the list. I can't really say I go for the "vibe" or anything like that because you can sometimes tell what a party's going to be like, but you never know how it will turn out and in the end it's up to you to decide whether you feel at home @ a party or not. Anybody else? xoxo--Miccaela From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 00:42:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 630 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 00:42:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 621 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 00:42:15 -0000 Received: from ftp.hyperimage.com (HELO mail.magicarts.com) (204.153.193.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 00:42:15 -0000 Received: from luna (208.128.205.208) by mail.magicarts.com (WorldMail 1.3.122); 26 Nov 1997 16:40:04 -0800 From: "adama" To: "Alex Mouton" , Subject: Re: phunk attak Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:38:11 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcfacc$bd0e3ab0$d0cd80d0@luna.magicarts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Where is phunkatek again? I thought it was on Fridays. I'm confused. Help, I need to find a place to party tonight. Adam -----Original Message----- From: Alex Mouton To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 4:30 PM Subject: phunk attak >okay, can i get a rollcall on whose gonna be at phunkatek tonite? please? >meeks will indeed be there =) >whose down? > >can i get an AMEN??? >meeks From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 00:44:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1399 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 00:44:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 1391 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 00:44:10 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 00:44:10 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xas3d-00009x-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:43:53 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:43:59 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: Vanessa & Miccaela cc: funkateers Subject: Re: Why do you go to parties? In-Reply-To: <015cf2140001bb7UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I go to parties based on the following (in this order): 1) DJ(S) who are spinning 2) Genre of music (Mostly House and Intelligent Jungle) 3) Promoter/Venue peace n' all that stuff, byroni On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Vanessa & Miccaela wrote: > I was thinking about what parties I wanted to go to in the remainder of 97, > and I was trying to rule it down to just a few, since funds are limited. I > shuffled through flyers saying to myself, "this one has a good line up, but > this one looks more intimate, but this one is from a really good promoter, > but all my friends want to go to this one . . ." > > So I wondered . . . how do you guys choose what parties you go to? Do you > go to some because they have slick flyers w/ all those colorful high tech > graphics? Or the ones your friends are going to? The ones that you hear > people talk about on the list? Do you go to parties to see certain DJs? Do > you go to a party because you respect the promoter? Do you look for parties > that appear to have a certain vibe? Do you go to parties because you like > the location? Or the ones that are within your budget? > > Basically, I'm just wondering how you guys decide where to go when there's > several events you can choose from each weekend. I thought it'd be cool to > see some opinions. > > I look for a good lineup, an established promoter, and I hope to hear some > enthusiastic comments on the list. I can't really say I go for the "vibe" > or anything like that because you can sometimes tell what a party's going to > be like, but you never know how it will turn out and in the end it's up to > you to decide whether you feel at home @ a party or not. > > Anybody else? > > xoxo--Miccaela > > > > > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 00:55:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2923 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 00:55:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 2915 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 00:55:14 -0000 Received: from mail.crl.com (165.113.1.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 00:55:14 -0000 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id QAA22657; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:55:08 -0800 (PST) env-from (storpis@crl.com) Received: by crl.crl.com id AA21277 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:51:51 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199711270051.AA21277@crl.crl.com> Subject: Re: SPEAKING of spam (was Re: Mr. Deep) To: costad@SONOMA.EDU (Doreen) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:51:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: storpis@crl.com, deepfog@hooked.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <329B7539.1823@sonoma.edu> from "Doreen" at Nov 26, 96 02:54:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > geez, Deepfog was offering a truce...and you are still being > resistant. > ;\ sounded like more sarcasm to me From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 01:02:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4353 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 01:02:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 4344 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 01:02:02 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 01:02:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id RAA22250; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:02:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:01:59 -0800 (PST) From: To: Moshe Kasher cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) In-Reply-To: <199711262333.PAA10049@dry.jps.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Moshe Kasher wrote: > du> > >>>Subject: Fuck Sober Raving > >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 > >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>>Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org > >>>Precedence: bulk > >>> > >>>I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! in response > >>>from onw who has never gone to a party on anything ever! fuck raving > >>>sober????? > > FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Ah yes, another round of witty reparte'. Did you think of that response all by yourself? Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 01:14:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7581 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 01:14:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 7572 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 01:14:12 -0000 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net (207.93.14.20) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 01:14:12 -0000 Received: from [207.93.14.13] ([207.93.14.13] verified) by tapeheads.ednet.net (Stalker SMTP Server 1.5) with ESMTP id S.0000015437 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:13:43 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199711270032.QAA05803@kzsu.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:14:35 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Joe Rice Subject: Re: phunk attak Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 4:36 PM -0800 11/26/97, *byroni* wrote: >I'll be there... I don't wanna miss GOLDIE..... I'll be there with Mickey. >Lets all look for eachother. I'll wear a "YELLOW" long sleeved Speedo >shirt..... with black stripes on the sides. > >Peace. > >byroni Any word on whether he's going to show? His management said Saturday that they were fairly sure he'd be leaving town today and might not be playing. Joe From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 01:37:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12634 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 01:37:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 12616 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 01:37:09 -0000 Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.119.93) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 01:37:09 -0000 Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(97/11/17 5.8)) id UAA14964; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:37:03 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id UAA06891; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:37:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:37:02 -0500 (EST) From: LAKSMI To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR:SNOW REPORT Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk It's DUMPING on us up here at TAHOE!!!! GET OUT YER OL' CRUSTY BURTONS! We have just recieved at least a foot of snow at LAKE level. Can't imagine the freshies up at Kirkwood!!!! Hey, tomorrow is a free day at Sierra. If you're thinking of going will you give my lil' sis a call? She's lookin' for some ridin' partners. There might be free floor space for ya! (916)577-7823 ask for Megan(or Goo if you're brave) *********************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forests, go naked in the summertime that you regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. J.W. Parsons *********************************************** From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 01:44:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15807 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 01:44:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 15798 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 01:44:26 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 01:44:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19971127013838.24105.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [153.35.239.214] by web1; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:38:38 PST Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:38:38 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: Re: nrr-inxsed-deja vu? To: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yes I must apologize for having this message come 5 times. You see I am fighting this evil entity called surfwatch. This filter to protect the minds of the innocent from gay p o r n and other things is currently installed on the only computers I have access to. This wonderful device actually reads the content of my mail to make sure that it is safe for the world to read. When I tried to send the post the screen flashed blocked by surfwatch. my guess is that the word er-otic caused the censors to flash that message on my computer. Why it then went on to send the message is beyond me. I'll be frank, I think this is the worst program on the market- it is lazy coding that completely interferes with my ablility to surf the web even in the most innocuous way. My daydream, and of course I neither know how nor am I advocating this, is for some clever hacker to change the preferences to words like .org, .com, www for example and then infiltrate surf watches around the nation- rendering all internet browsers useless. Of course maybe the software company who created this will do this to themselfs in their ongoing effort to kiss a s s to the hysterical right wing. pj frazzled ---".oOo.oOo.oOo." wrote: > > tv sucks! for some reason i got that message 5 times? > *puzzled* > > anyway i never even heard of the dude but the techno > list i'm on says he's dead so i guess he must be... > > love kim > .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. > the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone > the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the > groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. > http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html > seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 > http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave > Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! > .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. > -----Original Message----- > From: pj fuzzy > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 12:26 PM > Subject: nrr-inxsed > > > > > >so-not having a tv I have been cut off from the > >details of this- but someone at work said that > >michael hutchins or what ever his name was- was > >reported to have died from autoerotic asphixiation- > >was he pulling my leg? > > > >pjf > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:14:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22442 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:14:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 22433 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 02:14:44 -0000 Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.125) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 02:14:44 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id SAA26798; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:14:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: Well, now I've seen it all. To: Ravers in the Southland cc: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I just got done watching The Crystal Method on Empty Vee, playing "live" onstage at the MTV Sports and Music festival while a crowd of I-don't-know-if-it's-still-cool-to-be-grunge-or-if-I-should-like-techno kids bopped and crowd surfed at their feet. :/ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:21:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24220 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:21:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 24107 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 02:21:17 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 02:21:17 -0000 Received: from f82.hotmail.com (F82.hotmail.com [207.82.250.188]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA03104 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:21:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from elmozgrrl@hotmail.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by f82.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19347; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:20:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711270220.SAA19347@f82.hotmail.com> Received: from 198.59.148.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:20:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.59.148.6] From: "denise castillo" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, unclenoa@netcom.com Subject: Re: More Laminate Bullshit Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:20:36 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk :) yAy!!! i totally agree with u noah... it makez perfect sense... give out tha official sfravez laminates only 2 those on tha list.. and make smaller n' different but still kewl laminates 4 all tha otherz... that way no one walkz away empty handed and evryone iz a happ-E rava!!! :) luv'n'hugzzzz.... dEnisE From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:26:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25552 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:26:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 25544 invoked by uid 24); 27 Nov 1997 02:26:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 14796 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 06:13:15 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 06:13:15 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp60.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.60]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id XAA09008; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:08:33 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: Cc: "Northwest Raves" , Subject: techno vs.electronica Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:06:07 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcfa31$630143a0$3c56dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk this is an amusing article i got off the website http://www.fidget.net/nomis/four/techno.html there's no relationship to boomerang fidget is there? i felt it was worthy of crossposting =) *grin* ............. techno techno techno Like the lovely Sleeping Beauty, the original name of the music of parties and raves must be awakened. TECHNO lies in a cursed sleep, just waiting for a prince to bring her back to life. Before the evil queen Electronica can dominate the spoken, typed and printed word, something must be done! The problem has reached epic proportions; the landslide has got to stop before we suffocate. Each new issue of a music magazine makes the problem worse. It didn't used to be like this. I can remember it like it was yesterday.... (Flashback warning! The parties were all wonderful, never got busted. The people attending the parties had nothing but innocence in their hearts and ecstasy on their minds; they wore costumes and spent loads of time getting ready for the big adventure promised each night. The locations were all pristine and right around the corner- with a new one every week. The parties were free or for cheap- yet always the production made it seem worth a million dollars. Security was friendly and never searched anyone for anything- no one would have even thought of carrying a gun to a party. The sound system at every party boomed the beats and carried the high end with perfect clarity. Smart drinks were free and actually raised your intelligence. Yeah, we've all got those memories of the good old days. Oh, wait, snap out of it. It's 1996, almost 1997. Things have changed. The good old days had one other thing that held them together. The music was called TECHNO. Sure, there was house but who really cares about that stuff anyway? Just kidding, no, there were two types of music and sometimes, even the informed, interchanged the two. It was a night out listening to some TECHNO spun by a DJ. Now, you go out and you're bombarded with the latest fracturized genre of music. In our slow beat room, we present DJ Trippy Beat playing the latest in bleary-eyed-tweaked-out-break-beat-trip-hop-grooves. Try reading any magazine that covers TECHNO and, chances are, you'll find at least five genres that you have never heard of...unless you're one of the people responsible for the problem. The diversification of TECHNO is, most definitely, a great and wonderful thing. However, a genre should not be substituted for a description. In a way, the longer the genre gets- funky tribal house, for instance, the closer it gets to an actual description of the music. Wouldn't it be better to just go the whole hog and accurately describe the music instead of pussyfooting around with, "er, well, it's trip-hop death metal acid...". Are we really so short of time that a proper description can't be had? If time is of the essence, one word can serve as the grand-daddy of the genre- TECHNO. It's hard to keep up with the developments within any particular genre of TECHNO but one thing is for sure, if there is any way to prevent the widespread use of the term 'electronica', any steps towards that goal should be taken immediately. Does 'electronica' roll trippingly off the tongue? NO. TECHNO. Not only does TECHNO sound better, it's more fun to say and it's less pretentious. Sure, TECHNO has a meaning that has now gone in two directions. It could be an off-hand comment by an individual without knowledge of electronic dance music...or it could refer to those wicked old-school anthems, the kind they used to play on MARS. If the term is applied in a new way, used to blanket all music made with any sort of computer, synthesizer or electronic equipment, with or without a beat...something that refers more to the process of creation rather than the content of that creation, we can save TECHNO from being an outdated word in the history books. Technologically derived music could be the definition. Think about it, say the two over and over again. Compare them side by side and listen to which one sounds superior. Which word would you prefer to have splattered all over the place: electronica or TECHNO TECHNO TECHNO!!!! Whichever one comes out the winner in the end will receive the trophy of over-use; there's absolutely no way to avoid it. Newscasters report: "Once again, those crazy, unruly kids danced the night away to that crazy TECHNO music on the runway at Burbank Airport. Fortunately, these drug-addled youths did not harm anyone. The police broke up the assembly of 4,000 at 3:00am. These parties must be stopped before a revolution occurs." When applying for dance permits, promoters will firmly state: "Yes, Mr. Fire Marshall, we will be playing TECHNO music all night long. We have taken care of all fire code requirements and look forward to working with you towards a successful, all night endeavor." A fire marshall would laugh at a promoter asking for a permit to play electronica; he'd probably deny the permit just because of the spinelessness of the name of the music. Let's flash to the future. Twenty or thirty years down the road, many of today's TECHNOheads will have children; those children will be heading towards whatever beats they're playing at the clubs. Would you rather regale your children with stories about the good old days when TECHNO was the music and raves were the thing....or would you rather quietly mumble about electronica between your teethless gums? If you start rambling on about how the clubs used to play the most funked up amalgamation of evil terrorcore and happy hardcore...they might not have any idea what the hell that is and laugh at the crap their parental units enjoyed. But if TECHNO becomes the word to describe it all, people just ask, "What was TECHNO like when you were young?" Much better. Now you're convinced that TECHNO needs to be saved? But how? How can this word make a comeback? How do we bury electronica in an early grave? It's easy. Every time you see a phrase in a magazine that means TECHNO and says it some other way, cross it out and write TECHNO in big, bold letters. If you have time, make your way to the newsstand and do the same to all the other copies of the same magazine. You might even meet fellow believers involved in the same act. Any time you hear someone use the word electronica, correct them with authority and suggest they use the correct word, TECHNO. If they fail to convert, beat them into submission. I mean, hug them until they are so overwhelmed with love that they can't help but see your point of view. ........ -groovinkim =) .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:26:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26070 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:26:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 26051 invoked by uid 24); 27 Nov 1997 02:26:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 7576 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 08:40:52 -0000 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (HELO MIT.EDU) (18.69.0.28) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 08:40:52 -0000 Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21767; Wed, 26 Nov 97 03:40:51 EST Received: from seal132.cruzio.com by MIT.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07603; Wed, 26 Nov 97 03:40:48 EST Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971126033921.009c5ca0@po7.mit.edu> X-Sender: lion@po7.mit.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 03:39:28 -0500 To: From: Leonardo Gonzalez Subject: Re: First Rave Experience Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I had the fortune of throwing my first rave 8) December '96 I had only been listening to electronic music since the early fall, but I had gone on a rampage exploring everything from trance to ambient to techno to jungle. I was getting along well with some pothead friends at MIT's Senior Haus, and had gone to a couple small house parties with them. At one of those parties I noticed how different the vibe was from the frat parties I had been frequenting. There was this screen with interesting visuals, and a group of people were dancing in what seemed like a very spacy, tripped-out way. There I met someone (Toshi Hoo, of Noise Laboratories) who later told me about Ecstasy and introduced me to the magickal world of video feedback. My friends from Senior Haus asked me if I wanted to help them throw a rave ("Abstraction"), and of course I was more than happy to give it a go. I spent a few hours moving furniture around the dorm basement, decking out the chill room with fluorescent stickers and blacklights, and engineering the setup of the speakers (though I really didn't have much of a clue). I met some of the DJs that were going to spin that night, and tried to resolve some kind of a conflict/grudge between a couple of them having to do with playing order, whose equipment to use, or some such silliness. Since I always carried my CD collection with me, I naively left it by the tables in case one of the DJs happened to run out of music to play (hah!) I ran up and down stairs & elevators trying to find an extra CD player with a Line Out, to no avail. The concrete from the basement walls resonated the sounds so much that the needle kept skipping. Some DJ asked me to put weight on the table, then someone else asked me to stop leaning on the table. Finally someone pulled a trick out of his DJ hat and put a coin on top of the stylus so the needle would press harder into the record. It was supposed to eat the records somewhat, but I guess we were pretty desperate. Someone pulled the fire alarm, and it was a big ordeal getting everyone out and keeping them out until the fire marshall said it was OK. Then my friends from Noise Laboratories arrived, and I realized I could kick back and enjoy the rest of the rave. We went in the chill room, where some people were playing with day-glo play-dough. We set up a video feedback system with a large screen TV, and voila... instand psychedelic visuals. They treated me to my first-and-only ExpEriEnE, and I grew excited with anticipation as I drank water and watched the screen and the people dancing. I shot feedback for a while, completely diving into the psychedelic experience of synesthesia, becoming one with the light & darkness I was manipulating. People congratulated me afterwards, but I didn't feel I had actually done any of it; I just let it happen. I remember thanking the person playing a live ambient set in the room for making life so much happier for the few people in the chill room. As amazing as everything already was, I could imagine anything possibly being better. I tried to verbalize to people all these incredible philosophical realizations I was having, and Toshi suggested I dance. After just a few moments, I felt the direct connections between sound and movement. I was no longer someone "dancing", performing for others. I was letting myself go and letting the music move me in ways I had never moved before. All I can remember someone saying, while my mind gawked at the sheer bliss from every source of stimulus, was: "I believe the word is 'YES'." I bonded with everyone I talked with that night, in ways I have since only been able to achieve by drumming trancers/dancers and myself into euphoria. Yes, Leonardo From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:26:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26639 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:26:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 26631 invoked by uid 24); 27 Nov 1997 02:26:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 26617 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 18:07:13 -0000 Received: from puertopollo.lucasarts.com (firewall-user@204.71.70.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 18:07:13 -0000 Received: by puertopollo.lucasarts.com; id JAA20996; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:59:27 -0800 Received: from fandango.lucasarts.com(144.0.100.82) by puertopollo.lucasarts.com via smap (3.2) id xma020975; Wed, 26 Nov 97 09:59:08 -0800 Received: from tanis.lucaslearning.com (tanis [144.0.230.20]) by fandango.lucasarts.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17274 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:04:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by tanis.lucaslearning.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:06:06 -0800 Message-ID: <71483ED08F78D0118EA600805FA6AC211ACEA3@tanis.lucaslearning.com> From: Josh Damon Williams To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, "'n i c o'" Subject: RE: "Ravin' New Years "97" - The Jennie Garth Thread Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:06:05 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk speaking as someone whose had way to much experience in tv/film production, i can say with a fair degree of certainty that it isn't very hard to sabotage a shoot. NOT THAT I"M SUGGESTING ANYTHING LIKE THAT. really. but what if everyone stopped dancing when ever the cameras were on them? or better, what if everyone started doing some weird epileptic dance? why a whole new dance could take the country by storm as a result! did anyone else go to that big party in downtown LA a few years ago where dee-lite and (i think) aphex twin played? it was all set up like new year's eve 1999 & they were shooting 2nd unit stuff for the movie "strange days"... so every half hour or so ppl would count down from 10 like it was midnight ... start acting all crazy... they were giving away tons of free herbal ecstasy? anyone? > ---------- > From: n i c o > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 12:06 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: "Ravin' New Years "97" - The Jennie Garth Thread > > > It would be fun to organize a protest, setting up some ghetto ass > tape > player on a van and dancing in the parking lot, but I don't think > anyone's > about ready to give up their New Years for something like this. > HOWEVER, get every bunk dealer you know to go to that party. That > would > be something I'd like to hear about. ; ) > > *much love and many hugs* > > Nico > > *******POSITIVE******* > The Indo Silver Club > http://www.accesscom.com/~nico > nico@accesscom.com > *******POSITIVE******* > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:27:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27217 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:27:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 27209 invoked by uid 24); 27 Nov 1997 02:27:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 19329 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 19:17:37 -0000 Received: from f36.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.47) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 19:17:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 28643 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 1997 19:17:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126191707.28641.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.169.227.103 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:17:07 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.169.227.103] From: "stephanie hauck" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: underground locations Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:17:07 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Help!!!! I am asking the underground for help!! I need a cheap,small underground location for a party in January.If anyone has any ideas for me,or can help me in any way,I would be so appreciative. I am on my last legs,If I don't find a location,my party will not go off. Please email me with any information-also if anyone knows about how to use the Cz dormitory in Berkeley that would be an ideal location for me. thanks so much,Stephanie,UHM 1998 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:27:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27733 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:27:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 27724 invoked by uid 24); 27 Nov 1997 02:27:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 14639 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 20:26:51 -0000 Received: from f3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 20:26:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 21141 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 1997 20:26:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126202614.21140.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.159.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:26:14 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.159.132] From: "maya katz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: Happy hoildays!!!! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:26:14 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hi everybody, i know i havent posted a whole lot over the past few months, i have been subscribing for a while tho, and feel like a part of this huge extended family. I want to wish everybody a wonderful thanksgiving, and that you all have an excellent holiday, eat lots of good food, dont get stuck in too much traffic, and i hope you all have a long weekend ahead of you!!! i am going to unsubscribe for the next few days, i am going away, but if anyone wants to email me, do so at yareach_8@yahoo.com i will check that while i am away. lovin to you all, maya From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:27:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28242 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:27:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 28212 invoked by uid 24); 27 Nov 1997 02:27:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 1330 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 21:18:23 -0000 Received: from bw.cea.edu (206.14.112.225) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 21:18:23 -0000 Received: from [206.204.97.150] ([206.204.97.150] (may be forged)) by bw.cea.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA03381 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:18:20 -0800 (PST) From: spaz@hyperreal.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:22:38 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: radio M.U.T.A.N.T. Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk holy shit......they can't be stopped!!! wednesday evening nov. 26----6pm-2am radio M.U.T.A.N.T.---------live RealAudio broadcast from the S.P.A.Z. house in San Francisco,Ca........ featuring dj's Flux (B.A.S.S. Kru) Rinse(B.A.S.S. kru) Sunflowrfish MC Titus playing a selection of diverse underground styles>>>>>>> and various live electronic performances from various S.P.A.Z. personnel----- we also have live VIDEO!!!!! www.hyperreal.org/~spaz/ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:27:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29078 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:27:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 29070 invoked by uid 24); 27 Nov 1997 02:27:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 19120 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 22:29:13 -0000 Received: from mrin86.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin86.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.196) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 22:29:13 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA00672; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:28:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:28:43 -0500 (EST) From: XTC4UANDME@aol.com Message-ID: <971126172842_-657645446@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, socal-raves@ucsd.edu cc: PhoenXtasy@aol.com, XTC4UANDME@aol.com Subject: Rave Related Statistics (aka Help Me!) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi friends and family. It's your old pal PhoeniX here with a desperate plea for help. It seems my partner in statistics has decided NOT to finish our project with me so I'm back to square one with only a few days to get it all done (it's due on Monday so I need the data about, oh, a day or two ago ;o). This is where you come in, I need info on all you lovely ravers. If you want to help, just scroll down and answer these few questions. I'll only be taking 100 responses (50 from SoCal and 50 from SF) that I have to choose randomly, but I won't be using names unless you want me to. :o) I suppose, if you want to know all the results, I'll go ahead and email them to ya if you email me a request for them. They'll be in the form of a story or poem or something else creative (gimme ideas for that too :o) so if you DO want your name used, tell me and I'll add it to the story. The Easy-Peasy Questions: 1. Are you a 'candyraver' (dress up in bright or silly outfits and pass out candy/hugs/etc at raves)? 2. How much money, on average, do you spend a month on raving (includes, money spent on glowstix, candy, toys, gas, water or other drinks at the party, clothes, drugs if you use them regularly, and of course, the cost of the raves)? 3. What is the average price of the raves you attend (free, $5, $10, $15, etc)? 4. How old are you (don't be shy now)? See, easy, wasn't it? :o) Now, I may or may not use all this info. I really only need to use one of these, but I don't know which will work best until I have the data. I'll let you know how much for everything though when I reply. I may even do the work and give you a *smarty* statistical answer for them all. ;oD Hey, and if you know statistics and can think of any other good questions that would lead to a binomial proportion hypothesis or single mean hypothesis, lemme know and I'll consider adding it to my questions. Thanks a zillion-billion-million, LuV -N- BiG HuGZ, ~~^V^~PhoeniX~^V^~ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:28:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29581 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:28:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 29519 invoked by uid 24); 27 Nov 1997 02:28:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 21410 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 22:36:57 -0000 Received: from mail.kmd-arch.com (205.227.254.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 22:36:57 -0000 Received: by mail.kmd-arch.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:41:12 -0800 Message-ID: <813DAFD97A07D1118F4100A024978E27050C2A@mail.kmd-arch.com> From: "Thomas, Cassandra" To: Julie Hayes Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:41:11 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On a dovetail to these thoughts...maybe we should do a "subscribe sfraves" laminate or something along that vein with the address on where to subscribe. C. > ---------- > From: Julie Hayes[SMTP:julie@cscomputing.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 6:15 AM > To: TeKnODiVa@aol.com; SFRaves@hyperreal.org; 'Karma2001@aol.com' > Subject: RE: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit > > The Tekno diva wrote: > > > but don't pass out laminates. I can' tell you how many times I've > seen someone >wearing an SFR laminate (snip) Only to find out they > aren't on the list or don't even >have an e-mail address. "Oh my > boyfriend's best friend got this laminate for me.. > > Well, think about it this way. Imagine *you* are the giver of the new > sfraves laminate and all these sfravers are coming up to you begging > for a laminate, and you happily give out these laminated with a smile, > a hug, a conversation, or whatever, then a girl/guy comes up to you, > and asks," Can I have one of those?" (Of course this person doesn't > know what this is but since a lot of ppl. are excited about it, she/he > wants one too). What do you reply to them? > > Giver: "What's your name?" > Raver: "Uh, Sam, What's yours?" > Giver: "No I mean what's your name on sfraves?" > Raver: "Uh......Sfraves?????" > *This is where the conversation can go either way.* > The giver can say: > Giver: " Sorry Sam, I can't give one of these laminates, because you > are not a part of the elite (sarcasm) sfraves mailing list" > Sam walks away confused and sad > *OR* > The giver can say: > Giver: "Well Sfraves is blah blah blah, this is how you join, blah > blah blah, that's what these laminates are for, blah blah blah. (this > raver has just made a new friend, and a potential sfraver) > Raver: " Oh I get it.... So can I have one?"(or he decides to wait > until he joins to get one) > Giver: (places the laminate over the ravers neck like a ritual honor)" > You'll meet many people this way, but usually only people on this list > get these, so join Sfraves!!!" > Raver: (smiles and hugs the giver) THANKS! > > >True, I do make friends out of meeting these > >people, but it gets too confusing with identifying them. > > See, this is how random people might get their hands on laminates, and > it is a wonderful thing, because, you have introduced them to > something new, plus made someone extremely happy, and made a new > friend. So, what's the big deal? I suggest when you see someone with > a laminate, and you discover they are not on sfraves, enlighten them, > and get them to join our family!!!! > > Peace and Love, > Julie > > ---------- > From: Karma2001@aol.com [SMTP:Karma2001@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 3:30 PM > To: TeKnODiVa@aol.com; SFRaves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit > > In a message dated 97-11-25 21:10:41 EST, TeKnODiVa@AOL.Com writes: > > << Ouch.. this is a GREAT idea, but don't pass out laminates. I > can't tell > you how many times I've seen someone wearing an SFR laminate and > gotten all > excited and started blabbing about current topics and "oh have you > met so > and > so" Only to find out they aren't on the list or don't even have an > e-mail > address. "Oh my boyfriend's best friend got this laminate for me.. I > don't > even know what it's for." True, I do make friends out of meeting > these > people, but it gets too confusing with identifying them. Ok.. my 2 > cents. > > hugs, > 'trice the tekno diva > >> > > > All I have to say is that I agree with the diva!!!!!!!!! <3 *MushyB! > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:28:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 173 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:28:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 29975 invoked by uid 24); 27 Nov 1997 02:28:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 12992 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1997 23:52:06 -0000 Received: from skippy.construct.net (HELO CONSTRUCT.NET) (208.198.184.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 1997 23:52:06 -0000 Received: from khali.construct.net (khali.construct.net [208.198.184.75]) by CONSTRUCT.NET (8.8.8/2.5) with SMTP id PAA13987; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:44:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971126154418.007ed740@mail.construct.net> X-Sender: iron@mail.construct.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:45:20 -0800 To: loveworks@sfstation.com From: nori Subject: 2 more LoveWorks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk it's time for the winter break session for LoveWorks. there will be a LoveWorks this satuday, Nov. 29th, and the finale of this season on saturday, Dec. 13th. both held at the place where we started: 111 minna street gallery keepin the groove on: matt valenz + dani always there: dianna jacobs, mark evans + nori the web-city-guide that has it all: http://www.sfstation.com 415.646.0744 i.a.o. New Year's plans? ...more info and ticket give aways: 415.703.7107 http://www.sfstation.com/toontown From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:39:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3760 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:39:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 3583 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 02:39:54 -0000 Received: from mrin79.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin79.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 02:39:54 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA10954; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:39:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:39:12 -0500 (EST) From: CuddlMeZoe@aol.com Message-ID: <971126213912_307761984@mrin79> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, amoss@tuckeralan.com, JazzSteppr@aol.com, UrchinGirl@aol.com, chris_farinella@peoplesoft.com Subject: No Subject Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk << You are Worthy >> Do not undermine your worth by comparing yourself with others. 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( : ) _ _ .-: Know that someone is thinking ~--. : .--~ .-~ .-~ } of you dearly, ~-.--.-~.\_ .~ .-~ .~ Daily, monthly, even yearly. \ \' \ '_ _ -~ So smile for me. `.`. // And let the sun shine . - ~ ~-.__`.`-.// through, .-~ . - ~ }~ ~ ~-.~-. For there's someone, .' .-~ .-~ :/~-.~-./: Somewhere, /_~_ _ . - ~ ~-.~-._ Watching over you. @~~~->@~~~->@~~~->@~~~->@~~~->@~~~->@~~~->@~~~->@~~~->@~~~- THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN SENT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU MEAN SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY....TO KEEP THE FRIENDSHIP OR RELATIONSHIP GOING, PLEASE SEND IT TO YOUR FRIENDS AND THOSE THAT YOU LOVE. IT WILL KEEP YOUR FRIENDSHIP OR RELATIONSHIP GOING ON AND ON. $oo`oo$o,,,,o$oo`oo$o$oo`oo$o,,,,o$oo`oo$oo$oo`oo$o,,,,o$oo`oo$o$oo`oo$o,,,,o $oo`oo$ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 02:50:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6662 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 02:50:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 6653 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 02:50:38 -0000 Received: from f71.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.157) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 02:50:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 27494 invoked by uid 0); 27 Nov 1997 02:50:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19971127025009.27492.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.135.113.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:50:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.135.113.11] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Tonight :P Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:50:08 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hiya Folks :) So I'm home from school for the next five days and I want to get as much partying in before Finals crunch time begins...so...who's all going up to the city tonight? tommorow?....and where are you all going? Phunk-attack? Wish? Let me know! :) -Matt- ************************************************************* Stay Cool! /////// /// /// /////// ////// ////// /////// /////// /// /// /// /// // /// / // /// /// // /// /// /// /// // /////\ ////// /// /// // /// /// /// /////// /// \\ // /////// /////// tm. Matthew A. Schwartz -Matt...the other one- "If the beats were matched, and the levels were just right... these records might actually sound good together!" ************************************************************* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 03:02:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9067 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 03:02:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 9053 invoked by uid 24); 27 Nov 1997 03:02:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 4831 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 02:41:33 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 02:41:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19971127023531.1179.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [207.104.139.208] by web1; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:35:31 PST Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:35:31 -0800 (PST) From: tabitha hanrion Subject: RE: "Ravin' New Years "97" - The Jennie Garth Thread To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yup! I was at Millinium wasn't it called? Very freaky. They had tanks and soldiers everywhere because it was part of the film. Then they had some stunt guy jumping from a hotel (or is it AN hotel?) room, again, they neglected to tell people it was part of the film, so half the crowd were crying and the other half were telling him to jump..... There was confetti on the streets of downtown LA for weeks! Tabitha > did anyone else go to that big party in downtown LA a few years ago > where dee-lite and (i think) aphex twin played? it was all set up like > new year's eve 1999 & they were shooting 2nd unit stuff for the movie > "strange days"... so every half hour or so ppl would count down from 10 > like it was midnight ... start acting all crazy... they were giving away > tons of free herbal ecstasy? anyone? > DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 03:36:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13838 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 03:36:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 13804 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 03:36:00 -0000 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@130.212.10.236) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 03:36:00 -0000 Received: from CLedesma (mwh64202.sfsu.edu [130.212.64.202]) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA28302 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:35:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971126193715.006b6e74@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: ledesma@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:37:15 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: VespaRaver Subject: HAPPY THANKSGIVING Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well...It's 7:35 on Wednesday night. I'm about ready to head over to my boyfriends house for the weekend, so I'll be away from my computer until Sunday night. I just wanted to wish all of my fellow ravers a HAPPY THANKSGIVING! I miss my friends in San Diego sooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Much love, VespaRaver ================================================= ************************************************* "One in three must find some peace." ************************************************* ================================================= From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 06:24:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13448 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 06:24:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 13439 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 06:24:03 -0000 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (204.68.24.137) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 06:24:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 3897 invoked by alias); 27 Nov 1997 06:24:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19971127062401.3896.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Received: (qmail 3886 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 06:23:59 -0000 Received: from madmax-190.sfsu.edu (HELO user.sfsu.edu) (130.212.201.190) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 06:23:59 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Faro" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:23:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: A NRR Laminate Reply-to: Faro@usa.net In-reply-to: <07d204729021ab7UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > Hey, someone should design a laminate that says "NRR." Then we'd really > know the wearer was on sfraves!!! I took this thought seroiusly, and made a NRR Laminate that I really like.. but now I need someone's help. The only printer I have is an old black and white dot matrix printer. It works just fine for printing out those long reports for school, but it just won't cut it for the brightly colored Laminate I made.. Does any one have a color printer who can print it out for me if I send them the file? .. or is my best bet to find the nearest Kinkos? -Faro Faro@usa.net From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 06:29:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14168 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 06:28:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 14158 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 06:28:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.cc.umr.edu (HELO umr.edu) (131.151.1.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 06:28:58 -0000 Received: from ee.umr.edu (ee.umr.edu [131.151.100.20]) via SMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.8.7/R.4.20) id AAA06050; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:28:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from erlsun2 by ee.umr.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-kaw-30-jun-94) id AAA16378; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:28:52 -0600 From: rkumar@ee.umr.edu (Roger Kumar) Received: by erlsun2 (SMI-8.6/EESolaris-Client) id GAA27239; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 06:30:53 GMT Message-Id: <199711270630.GAA27239@erlsun2> Subject: Re: Laminates To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:30:48 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Oh, no, don't go to Kinko's for making Lammies... buy your own laminator ($20-$70) Laminate pouches are about $12 for a hundred... since we bought our laminator, we've been laminatiing everything :) and don't have to give anyone $1 every time we make one... -raj From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 07:00:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21499 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 07:00:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 21491 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 07:00:18 -0000 Received: from daffy.napanet.net (root@157.22.192.18) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 07:00:18 -0000 Received: from sam.napanet.net (root@sam.napanet.net [157.22.192.19]) by daffy.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28568 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:59:39 -0800 Received: from default (pm-n3-73.napanet.net [157.22.193.73]) by sam.napanet.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA15704 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:59:45 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971126225605.007b3820@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:56:05 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: llevi Butterfield Subject: Re: for you to think about.. In-Reply-To: <19971126214116.3672.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk .smip. really it's just a matter of taste and background - "all >my friends listen to this, i've heard it enough times to have some >idea what the artists are trying to do, therefore it's good." >personally i look at all those styles as little windows into worlds >that aren't my own, a way of possibly understanding where all these >different groups of people are coming from. Right on. Everyone should just start listening to every type of music regardless of whether they like it or not. If you hear enough of it you start to notice things that you like about it, or maybe you just start to hear the things you used to hate more clearly. With any luck all the sounds will roll together into a huge fuzzy and we can load it up in a pickup and back it into the Grand Canyon. - misquote of Beck >finally, what i like about techno is that, in north carolina at least, >a rave was the ONE place you could go and see straghts and gays, >blacks and whites, college kids and high school dropouts, all hanging >out together and being totally friendly and cool with each other. This is what I find most appealing about (the miniscule amount) of Raves I have been to. The UNITY is just amazing to me, I love to see all different types of people get together and make friends. Then the realization hits that we all came from the same place. Everything that we are all interested in originated from the same thing. What is really amazing to ME a NEW person is that they get this extremely talented DJ to spin at a party, and in doing so he makes everyone in that place move in the craziest fashion, whatever they feel like doing at that moment that they think goes with this music that they can't get enough of. That one person is affecting so many people in such a positive way, in a way that no one else can do. I just love it, I can't understand how it must make the DJ feel. I was also thinking(way off subject) that the world is one big Simulation game, like the ones humans come up with for computers. The being that is playing it is watching us form these parties and then all of a sudden everyone starts to move in the craziest way and then he has to figure out why, and whatever. I don't know why I thought that would be funny. I just thought that that bieng would see us and laugh until his drawers were fully soiled. Just think of observing us from an overhead veiw of the whole earth, and having a little pointer that would transform into a small magnifying glass at will to see the little people down there going nuts. "Yea, Yea! They finally discovered the new strain of mushrooms I constructed! See, see them rolling on the ground in glee!" One would describe to a friend. "Ummmmmm,,,I think that THEY did that to THEMSELVES with those 'insane pulsating beats' that THEY constructed" ..... "Oh, well maybe you're right, but whatever it is I like it!" >in fact, what i'd REALLY like to see is a big party with wu-tang clan >rapping over a techno dj's set with some vietnamese harpists jamming >in the background and a fat opera singer throwing in sound bytes every >so often while latin percissionists wander through the crowd slaping >the hell outta their congas. but i suppose i'll probably have to put >that show together myself when i finaly get around to throwing that >72-hour tantric-rave-orgy church of the macroorganism >revival/meditation clinic... > >-messiah wannabe I'll help! This sounds vaguely similar to the Pagan room at ENIT, a group called Crash Worship was beating the hell out of their drums, syncronized with the DJ, while one was rapping out of a megaphone(crazy noise outa that thing though!) Ohhhh, and Beyond Race-----beautiful, I'm done. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 07:43:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27285 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 07:43:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 27277 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 07:43:21 -0000 Received: from norway-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO norway.it.earthlink.net) (204.119.177.49) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 07:43:21 -0000 Received: from [153.36.254.130] (1Cust130.tnt1.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.36.254.130]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA10645 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:43:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711270743.XAA10645@norway.it.earthlink.net> Subject: fuckin assholes Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 23:44:28 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: hak1 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Sunday, November 30th - _Stompy Dig-In SF_ Mark Farina, Jonene, Preston, Buggin' Out and the Terrorist Society with jungle teknicians...Noel, Andrew Rawnsley, Push, Solar. noon-10pm, 21+, $13. 278 11th St, SF. check it kidz. solar spins jungle..... oh two years ago he hated it. fuck off you fucking twat. go back to your little fucking house shite...... if your down thats kewl, but to fucking diss it in my face dayz ago, and now spin it is fuking shite in my book. don;t ever come to solid grooves you fool, never support the schemers........ haK From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 08:09:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29996 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 08:09:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 29987 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 08:09:29 -0000 Received: from gateway.mpath.com (204.242.182.129) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 08:09:29 -0000 Received: from mpath.com (nodserv.mpath.com [206.233.214.16]) by gateway.mpath.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27425; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (vision@localhost) by mpath.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA15692; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:08:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:08:44 -0800 (PST) From: Max Vision To: pj fuzzy cc: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: nrr-inxsed-deja vu? In-Reply-To: <19971127013838.24105.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk PJ Fuzzy, You should just remove it from whatever computer you are using, or disable it if it's a machine that doesn't belong to you. If it's completely unacceptable to remove it (ie, a library or school or military base (sometimes the same thing)) then you should really look into getting your _own_ computer. I promise it can be quite liberating. If you have leway, or if you don't care about the owner having the software, there are many ways to kill it. Email me if you are taking that route and I can give you a lot of information that will most likely help. Good luck! Max On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, pj fuzzy wrote: > yes I must apologize for having this message come 5 > times. You see I am fighting this evil entity called > surfwatch. > This filter to protect the minds of the innocent from > gay p o r n and other things is currently installed > on the only computers I have access to. > > This wonderful device actually reads the content of > my mail to make sure that it is safe for the world to > read. > When I tried to send the post the screen flashed > blocked by surfwatch. my guess is that the word > er-otic caused the censors to flash that message on > my computer. > Why it then went on to send the message is beyond me. > I'll be frank, I think this is the worst program on > the market- it is lazy coding that completely > interferes with my ablility to surf the web even in > the most innocuous way. > My daydream, and of course I neither know how nor am > I advocating this, is for some clever hacker to > change the preferences to words like .org, .com, www > for example and then infiltrate surf watches around > the nation- rendering all internet browsers useless. > Of course maybe the software company who created this > will do this to themselfs in their ongoing effort to > kiss a s s to the hysterical right wing. > > pj frazzled > > > > > ---".oOo.oOo.oOo." > wrote: > > > > tv sucks! for some reason i got that message 5 times? > > *puzzled* > > > > anyway i never even heard of the dude but the techno > > list i'm on says he's dead so i guess he must be... > > > > love kim > > .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. > > the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone > > the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with > the > > groove modulation. In other words, to track the > groove. > > > http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html > > seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 > > http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave > > Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! > > .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pj fuzzy > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 12:26 PM > > Subject: nrr-inxsed > > > > > > > > > >so-not having a tv I have been cut off from the > > >details of this- but someone at work said that > > >michael hutchins or what ever his name was- was > > >reported to have died from autoerotic asphixiation- > > >was he pulling my leg? > > > > > >pjf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 08:38:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4525 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 08:38:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 4505 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 08:38:52 -0000 Received: from mrin83.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin83.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.193) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 08:38:52 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin83.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA01642; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 03:38:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 03:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: ERMODA@aol.com Message-ID: <971127033822_1379979075@mrin83.mail.aol.com> To: Tekno313@aol.com, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: Re: "Ravin' New Years "97" -- WHAT?! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk No one should ever fuck around like that! Not cool!!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 08:45:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5443 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 08:45:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 5416 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 08:44:59 -0000 Received: from mrin38.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin38.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.148) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 08:44:59 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA15861; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 03:44:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 03:44:31 -0500 (EST) From: ERMODA@aol.com Message-ID: <971127034431_949219686@mrin38> To: leslie@netcommunications.net, sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@qmail.hyperreal.org Subject: Re: See You at Spirit!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yeah..the water bar is a good neutral place. I'll buy you a bottle. 8) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 08:53:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6410 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 08:53:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 6402 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 08:53:08 -0000 Received: from imo09.mx.aol.com (HELO imo09.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.101) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 08:53:08 -0000 From: Xotchil8 Message-ID: <60fa9d4c.347d3496@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 03:51:32 EST To: blkadder@value.net, moshe1@jps.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk sober raving is the shit...you get the vibes off everyone their so...in conclusion sober raving is your perogative always mo fooes From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 09:32:05 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11296 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 09:32:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 11276 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 09:31:59 -0000 Received: from dry2.jps.net (208.25.63.250) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 09:31:59 -0000 Received: from dry.jps.net (dry.jps.net [208.25.63.253]) by dry2.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16295 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [208.25.62.139] (istk-port372.jps.net [208.25.62.139]) by dry.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA06286 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:31:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711270931.BAA06286@dry.jps.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:36:43 +0100 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: moshe1@jps.net (Moshe Kasher) Subject: Re: MakeLoveToSoberRaving(was Fuck) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >du> >>>>Subject: Fuck Sober Raving >>>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >>>>Precedence: bulk >>>> >>>>I am so incredibly sick of all of this sober raving bull shit! in response >>>>from onw who has never gone to a party on anything ever! fuck raving >>>>sober????? > >FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >>>>================================================= >>>>************************************************* >>>> "One in three must find some peace." >>>>************************************************* >>>>================================================= >>>> >>> >>>my apoligies to any one who was offended just mildly serious...moshe >>> From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 09:55:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26948 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 09:55:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 26937 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 09:55:13 -0000 Received: from fillmore.criticalpath.net (209.104.216.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 09:55:13 -0000 Received: (cpmta 24367 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 09:54:40 GMT Received: from home.wayne.net (HELO ?204.107.140.22?) (204.107.140.22) by club.net.criticalpath.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 01:54:40 -0800 X-CriticalPath-Timestamp: 27 Nov 1997 09:54:40 GMT Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711270743.XAA10645@norway.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:49:06 -0800 To: From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: fuckin assholes Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 11:44 PM -0800 11/26/97, hak1 wrote: > Sunday, November 30th - _Stompy Dig-In SF_ > Mark Farina, Jonene, Preston, Buggin' Out and the Terrorist Society > with jungle teknicians...Noel, Andrew Rawnsley, Push, Solar. > noon-10pm, 21+, $13. 278 11th St, SF. > >check it kidz. solar spins jungle..... oh two years ago he hated it. fuck >off you fucking twat. go back to your little fucking house shite...... >if your down thats kewl, but to fucking diss it in my face dayz ago, and >now spin it is fuking shite in my book. don;t ever come to solid grooves >you fool, never support the schemers........ > >haK Grow up. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 16:59:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22844 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 16:59:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 22836 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 16:59:02 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 16:59:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA02055; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 08:59:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 08:59:00 -0800 (PST) From: To: hak1 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: fuckin assholes In-Reply-To: <199711270743.XAA10645@norway.it.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, hak1 wrote: > Sunday, November 30th - _Stompy Dig-In SF_ > Mark Farina, Jonene, Preston, Buggin' Out and the Terrorist Society > with jungle teknicians...Noel, Andrew Rawnsley, Push, Solar. > noon-10pm, 21+, $13. 278 11th St, SF. > > check it kidz. solar spins jungle..... oh two years ago he hated it. So? > fuck off you fucking twat. go back to your little fucking house > shite...... > if your down thats kewl, but to fucking diss it in my face dayz ago, and > now spin it is fuking shite in my book. don;t ever come to solid grooves > you fool, never support the schemers........ Oh my goodness! You are going to ban Solar from Solid Grooves! Geez, I wonder how anyone can survive that! If you have a problem with Solar, why not take it up with him instead of posting your pointless and childish bitching to the entire list? Who are you? Do you think anyone really gives a flying fuck what your opinion of Solar is? Solar has helped this scene out immensly, putting on free parties through the last few summers. What have you done? Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 18:11:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7620 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 18:11:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7609 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 18:10:58 -0000 Received: from mrin43.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin43.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.153) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 18:10:58 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin43.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA20635 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:10:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:10:31 -0500 (EST) From: ASYDFANMAN@aol.com Message-ID: <971127131031_1139770713@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: uh, i dunno Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk happy thanksgiving to you all ! love and hugz to all of you , Carl From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 20:41:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28101 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 20:41:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 28093 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 20:41:36 -0000 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net (204.188.120.88) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 20:41:36 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06305; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:51:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711270051.AA21277@crl.crl.com> References: <329B7539.1823@sonoma.edu> from "Doreen" at Nov 26, 96 02:54:49 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:43:06 -0800 To: Sharif Torpis From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: SPEAKING of spam (was Re: Mr. Deep) Cc: costad@SONOMA.EDU (Doreen), storpis@crl.com, deepfog@hooked.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 4:51 PM -0800 11/26/97, Sharif Torpis wrote: >> geez, Deepfog was offering a truce...and you are still being >> resistant. >> ;\ > >sounded like more sarcasm to me One sees what one wishes. "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 20:42:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28634 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 20:42:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 28614 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 20:42:00 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 20:42:00 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA20642 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 14:41:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca3-21.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.117) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020613; Thu Nov 27 14:41:00 1997 Message-ID: <347DDABC.183CBEA9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:40:28 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: Thanksgiving Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On behalf of everyone at Feel Good Entertainmnet, I want to wish everyone a very pleasant Thanksgiving holiday and weekend. See you all at Spirit tomorow night. Keep it Real... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 20:44:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29259 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 20:44:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 29250 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 20:44:11 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 20:44:11 -0000 Received: from hikaru-mccarthy (ppp-206-170-3-154.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.3.154]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA14122; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:42:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347DD7CB.58B4@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:27:55 -0800 From: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" Reply-To: mickeymc@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-PBWG (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jasonelee@juno.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org, SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: ICQ References: <19971118.165833.4879.0.jasonelee@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk jasonelee@juno.com wrote: > > I would like to thank those of you who responded to the mix tapes... they > are on the way.... > > I would also like to know if any of you catz have ICQ, at this moment I > feel as though i'm the only person with this program... I would like to > add people to it if you got it let me know.... I will post events that I > will be spinning at or attending on ICQ as well as the email lists. I > would like to get a chance to chat with you online so if you don't have > ICQ... get it, if you have it let me know how to add you to my list. > > my ICQ number is 4167063 or you could do a search by the nick jaylee > > if you want to get ICQ for your puter then http://www.mirabilis.com is > the place > > Thanks > Jason > jasonelee@juno.com > http://www.djmike.com/promomag yah that lil icq flower sits at the bottom of the screen ... kinda annoyin since i got 2 ppls on it ... mine's 1087881 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 20:44:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29766 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 20:44:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 29724 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 20:44:20 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.14) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 20:44:20 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA20894 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 14:43:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca3-21.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.117) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020698; Thu Nov 27 14:43:11 1997 Message-ID: <347DDB08.8F21D82C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:41:45 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: After Thanksgiving Day Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ok... Here's the Deal.... In the SPIRIT of Giving, We have decided, to Give everyone an extra day to buy advance tickets for 'The Spirit of Giving". Initially, advance ticket sales were supposed to stop on at the end of Today, But because most of the pre-sale stores are closed for the holiday, we decided NOT to pull the remaining $15 tickets out of the stores, and let them ride out until they are all sold. Some of the stores only have a few tickets left, so you may want to call around first. ALSO... Keep in mind that the $15 Advance ticket gets you a $5 discount at Bigfloor. There will also be a VERY LIMITED amount of $20 tickets at the party, but we expect those to go very early, and very fast (These are primarily made available for out of town ravers without pre-sale stores in there area) The weather is supposed to be Clear and Dry for tomorrow night, but this party will RAGE all night... Rain Or Shine!!!!! :) So be there... or be square :) For advance ticket outlet locations click here: Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html If you have an extra 5 minuets to spare, please read the newsletter, and send me your comments :) Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html Have a great Thanksgiving, and always Keep it Real... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 21:05:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5571 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 21:05:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 5555 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 21:05:35 -0000 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (192.100.81.130) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 21:05:35 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA06945; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:05:33 -0800 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:05:32 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: gobble gobble To: Ravers in the Southland , "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On behalf of the entire Abduction Productions cast and crew I would like to wish the happiest of Thanksgiving Days to all the members of this wonderful community that we are all a part of. Have a nice day and be good to each other! the teasers: 'Focus' (in OC) Wednesdays (featuring Uncle Noah 12/10) "Plug into Energy..." (coming 12/12) In the works: DJ Uncle Noah - "Love the Music" (mixtape) JBondy vs. Uncle Noah (mixtape) GTA - "Spencer for Higher" (single) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 21:12:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8025 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 21:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 8017 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 21:12:28 -0000 Received: from value.net (raygun@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 21:12:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA25577; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:12:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:12:25 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: hak1 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: fuckin assholes In-Reply-To: <199711270743.XAA10645@norway.it.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Do you know how do use the English language?!.... On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, hak1 wrote: > Sunday, November 30th - _Stompy Dig-In SF_ > Mark Farina, Jonene, Preston, Buggin' Out and the Terrorist Society > with jungle teknicians...Noel, Andrew Rawnsley, Push, Solar. > noon-10pm, 21+, $13. 278 11th St, SF. > > check it kidz. solar spins jungle..... oh two years ago he hated it. fuck > off you fucking twat. go back to your little fucking house shite...... > if your down thats kewl, but to fucking diss it in my face dayz ago, and > now spin it is fuking shite in my book. don;t ever come to solid grooves > you fool, never support the schemers........ > > haK > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 21:39:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13860 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 21:39:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 13852 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 21:39:40 -0000 Received: from zab.covalent.net (208.214.56.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 21:39:40 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by zab.covalent.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA20826 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:39:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fish1111@pacbell.net) From: fish1111@pacbell.net Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-130.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.130]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA09958 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:38:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347DE9AB.75EE@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:44:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: SPEAKING of spam (was Re: Mr. Deep) References: <329B7539.1823@sonoma.edu> from "Doreen" at Nov 26, 96 02:54:49 pm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk John S. Lee wrote: > > At 4:51 PM -0800 11/26/97, Sharif Torpis wrote: > >> geez, Deepfog was offering a truce...and you are still being > >> resistant. > >> ;\ > > > >sounded like more sarcasm to me > > One sees what one wishes. I wish to see world peace...free pizza at raves...and everyone to have more than they know what to do with. holding my breath.... ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 21:46:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17124 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 21:46:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 17116 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 21:46:05 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 21:46:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA12564 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:44:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:44:08 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk who gives a flying fuck? honestly, it IS thanksgiving, the day of GIVING, but i have a question to raise here. recently on the list, people have been asking "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE SCENE," judging one's character due to how much they have contributed to the scene. why is this? are you automatically a bad person if you haven't helped throw a party? are you automatically no longer deemed worthy or credible? do i have to worry about joining a kru just to be a "good raver"? do i have to worry about WHICH kru i join, because i am bad to join the wrong kru? do i have to worry about painting banners, and being at all the right parties, and handing out free shit, and selling water, just to be deemed a PROPA raver? i think not. so why bring it up in the first place? who cares if you're a happy kid or a kru member or just a partykid who goes to massives or a kid who goes to undergrounds but just pays and doesn't set it up? you're no less/more of a righteous person. happy thanksgiving. turkey holocaust? does this mean i'm a nazi? coz damn this bird tastes good. lara, the carniverous junglist From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 21:46:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17632 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 21:46:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 17624 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 21:46:28 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 21:46:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA12226; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:29:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:29:16 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: Noah Apodaca cc: Ravers in the Southland , "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Subject: Re: Well, now I've seen it all. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hey i really liked the MTV SPorts and Music festival. props to those kids. especially the chick who snoboarded topless. i wish i had balls to go beat my body up a few times in order to be as bomb as those skaterkids! NEway. on the subject of techno becoming the newest thing.. who cares what the rest of the world thinks? it's what YOU think of the music, and how you implement it that COUNTS. let the sheep follow the herd. don't sit around staring at them, take your own path. ;) On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Noah Apodaca wrote: > > I just got done watching The Crystal Method on Empty Vee, playing "live" > onstage at the MTV Sports and Music festival while a crowd of > I-don't-know-if-it's-still-cool-to-be-grunge-or-if-I-should-like-techno kids > bopped and crowd surfed at their feet. > > > :/ > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 21:51:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18983 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 21:51:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 18974 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 21:51:38 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 21:51:38 -0000 Received: from hikaru-mccarthy (ppp-206-170-3-154.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.3.154]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id NAA27837 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:51:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347DE7E4.516C@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:36:36 -0800 From: "mickeymc@pacbell.net" Reply-To: mickeymc@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-PBWG (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR but very very Snow Related... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk YEAAAH BAYBEEEE YEAAAAAH My god, I love carvin fresh trax through virgin powder and being ever fearful of getting stuck in it when it is 3 feet deep... I shit you all not, I sunk down to my waist in nice soft fuzzy and um... cold powder after getting stuck in some flats. Anyways, spent a week up there, in my opinion, the Tahoe area is the most beautiful place in California right now, so I am migrating up there to... well, snoboard as much as I can. Anyways, this kidz gonna be a friendly lift operator at Homewood and I'm gettin as much partyin in before I gotta go back up and start work:) I also wanted to know what the situation is with the sfraves big snoboardbyday/partyyerassoffbynight thingie? Since I'm gonna be livin up there, I wanna help in any way I can. Agggggghhh.... I wanna tell more about whatta great time I had... but at the same time ya'll need to head up that ways to get in the snow fer yerselves.:) My God Blesses EL NINO Jibbah don't get caught in pow pow and remember to do yer snow activities at homewood... I'm the lazy lookin lift op with a sunglasses raccoon eye tan, and nice trax playin on the tape player. come say hi:) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 23:08:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3979 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 23:08:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 3971 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 23:08:13 -0000 Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.68) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 23:08:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19971127231045.12011.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.169.227.53] by web2; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:10:45 PST Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:10:45 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: nrr: crash worship review To: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk after seemingly endless misadventures, chris, martha stewart, pjfuzzy and myself finally made it to the warehouse at 2nd and jackson, only to wait about 3 hours for cw to start playing. beyond race was making swirly arabian/ambient shadow music while a dj spun in the other room. then some slacker with a distorted acoustic guitar made beckish beefhearty skronking noises for a while (normally i dislike anything that smacks of indie rock but i had to admit the guy was rather entertaining, whoever he was). i listened and danced till finally at 3:13 am crash worship stormed the warehouse. wow. how can you possibly describe a crash worship show? dozens of torches were lit to drum swells and the germano-yiddish strains of a string trio. topless dancers spun flaming batons as platters of semi-clad girls were hoisted around the warehouse. a woman standing next to me whistled a long drone along with the violins, i accompanied her by whistling an indian melody as the dozen drumers softly banged their way through the crowd... a 6 foot tall man with flaming horns threw handfuls of firecrackers into the masses, dousing the floor and audience with flammible liquids before burning his hat in a flaming pyre that mushroomed up to the wooden rafters. then things started to get crazy... the drum core beat a furious tattoo as the mosh pit started to writhe... band members wandered through the crowd with mylar sacks of red franzia, soaking the crowd in dyonesian revelry. wine drenched shirts came off... celebrating the harvest season, i scarfed half of a "special" cigarette with pj, then passed it off into the swirling masses... the same platters that held the half-naked women now held fruit and spit-roasted suckling pigs. the element of danger added a keen edge to my high - an orange hit me on the side of the face, stinging my eye - what if that had been one of the bottle rockets the guy with the horns was shooting into the oil soaked crowd? a beautiful woman did acrobatics hanging from a rope attached to the ceiling as the strings lilted. the drummers beat louder and faster as she spun and spun and spun... the tempo picked up again, those guys could make a pretty phat beat when they put their minds to it, i was sucked into the crowd once again... a semi-neud couple necked in the middle of it all, i lightly caressed them as i floated by, they didn't seem to mind... louder, faster, louder, louder, my ears were splitting as the whole scene built to a crazy creshendo till suddenly at 4:23 the cops busted in and shut off the sound system. but of course that couldn't stop the drummers, who continued to wander through the crowd beating furiously as the police tried to chase them down. meanwhile the string quartet was now being pushed through the crowd by naked men on a viking ship with wheels as they handed out grapes to the revelers and the beautiful woman had stripped off her fishnets and was doing more erotic ballet hanging from another spot on the ceiling... the five cops and ten security guys were still trying to get the 400 or so people out the door, they were arguing with the drummers, who (practically at gunpoint) led a bunch of us out the door and onto the street, where they continued to play and dance till 4:36 am - one hour and 23 minutes later. funny thing about crash worship - the first time i saw them they did the same show (minus circus acts and pigs) to 13 people in a small club in raliegh n.c. one wednesday. my roomate knew one of the band members from art school, so we invited them to stay the night at our 20's farmhouse in bynum (pop 223). ALL RIGHT, i thought, THE PLACE IS GONNA GET TRASHED! COOL! you can imagine my (pleasant?) surprise when, upon their arrival at our house, their drummer dreike made herbal tea for everyone while chit-chatting with me and my wife, and then they all went promptly to sleep - but not before washing out all their mugs and placing them neatly to dry on the dishrack. _very_ nice people... -messiah wannabe DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 23:26:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7434 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 23:26:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 7423 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 23:26:51 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 23:26:51 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp79.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.79]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id QAA03505; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:15:52 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: "hak1" , Subject: Re: fuckin assholes Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:13:24 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcfb8a$0fb4d860$4f56dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hmm. Being from seattle i don't know solar and have no clue what kind of person he is, but even if he is a jerk, i see no reason why it's appropriate to tell 400+? (however many people are on this list) that you think so.......it may be based in anger but i don't think it's necessary to "convince" anyone...if he really is, then they will see that for themselves. What's wrong with changing your mind? If he learned to like jungle, right on! It's incredibly phat =) I once didn't like house at all, but I learned to understand it better, and now I love groovin' to it. (still not as much as jungle though *grin*) Open ears = open mind and I think it's good to learn to appreciate new styles of music. Not only within techno sub-divisions but ANY style of music..... Also, this is just a pet peeve of mine, but I hate it when people are insulting other people, and they call them either "faggot" or "twat". Personally, I really like gay guys, and I think female anatomy is beautiful. Therefore calling someone a "twat" would be a compliment in my book =) I mean, how many times do you hear people say "That guy is such a fucking heterosexual!" or "That guy is such a fucking penis!" Well, I guess I have heard people say the latter before, but my point is I think it is ignorant to use gender/sexuality as an insult. I know you probably didn't even think about that, or have any deep meaning to your post other than "solar sucks", but realize that the words you choose do make a difference.... love+groovin kim .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. -----Original Message----- From: hak1 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thursday, November 27, 1997 12:38 AM Subject: fuckin assholes >check it kidz. solar spins jungle..... oh two years ago he hated it. fuck >off you fucking twat. go back to your little fucking house shite...... >if your down thats kewl, but to fucking diss it in my face dayz ago, and >now spin it is fuking shite in my book. don;t ever come to solid grooves >you fool, never support the schemers........ > >haK From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 23:39:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10500 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 23:39:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 10490 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 23:39:38 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 23:39:38 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp70.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.70]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id QAA03681; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:34:57 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: "Vanessa & Miccaela" , "funkateers" Subject: Re: Why do you go to parties? Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:31:35 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcfb8c$9a151f40$4f56dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk well, this isn't really answering _why_ i go...but it answers your second question which was, how do you choose which one to go to. 1. music (not specific dj names but overall style of the music. i really like trance, goa, and jungle so that is what i look for first because it makes me happiest to dance to. there are a few dj names (simply jeff, r.a.w., cut chemist, the wicked crew and a few others) who i will go to a party just to see..but overall the name is not important . in fact i tend to prefer local djs..... 2.location there is one space here in seattle that i boycott called NAF studios...it in my opinion is one of the worst possible places to throw a party for comfort, sound quality, vibe, or anything else yet people continue to have parties there over and over for some unknown reason. I think it should die in peace. At any rate, other than that space I am not too picky, but I really dislike how promoters use the same spaces over and over without attempting to find new ones. (i know some promoters do, but here it seems like a lot just use the easiest method) 3.price i generally don't like paying more than $10 for a party. I am a college student and broke. I tend to question the motivations of those who charge more than that. If it seems that they are putting effort into making it worth every dollar, then I will pay more. But it seems like every time I go to a party that cost more than $10, I end up feeling like I didn't get my money's worth. So I tend to skip them. 4.style of promotion/who the promoters are did someone actually personally hand me a flyer? if so, did they shove it in my face without even looking at me? or did they hand it to me and say "Hi! I'm _insert name here_ and this is my party. I hope you can make it. " if i for some reason venture into a mall will i find this promoter's flyers there? (or in other places which i personally feel are inappropriate) how big are the flyers? are they huge sheets with a crappy picture and big text all over them on cardstock? i am really not into that _at all_. Every time I see a flyer like that even if i was formerly interested in the party I tend to get discouraged from attending. if i haven't been to one of their parties before i ask my friends and other internet friends about them - what they thought of the parties they went to, what the promoters are like, etc. i really like word-of-mouth parties =) 5.transportation since i don't drive,i have to be able to find a ride to/from the space. i can usually swing this on the bus, but in the event that i can't, i often must skip parties i would have gone to due to lack of ride. (we should start a raver taxi service) 6. the friend issue it's not really too important to me if my friends are going or not other than if they are it is easier to get a ride. but if they aren't going i will make new friends at the party =) so that can be a good thing too. love+groovin kim .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. -----Original Message----- From: Vanessa & Miccaela To: funkateers Date: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 5:36 PM Subject: Why do you go to parties? >I was thinking about what parties I wanted to go to in the remainder of 97, >and I was trying to rule it down to just a few, since funds are limited. I >shuffled through flyers saying to myself, "this one has a good line up, but >this one looks more intimate, but this one is from a really good promoter, >but all my friends want to go to this one . . ." > >So I wondered . . . how do you guys choose what parties you go to? Do you >go to some because they have slick flyers w/ all those colorful high tech >graphics? Or the ones your friends are going to? The ones that you hear >people talk about on the list? Do you go to parties to see certain DJs? Do >you go to a party because you respect the promoter? Do you look for parties >that appear to have a certain vibe? Do you go to parties because you like >the location? Or the ones that are within your budget? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 23:44:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11291 invoked by uid 6000); 27 Nov 1997 23:44:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 11283 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1997 23:44:44 -0000 Received: from paperboy.connectexpress.net (root@208.218.86.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 1997 23:44:44 -0000 Received: from groovinkim.connectexpress.com (ppp70.connectexpress.net [208.218.86.70]) by paperboy.connectexpress.net (8.8.7/Spam_kills) with SMTP id QAA03735; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:40:05 -0800 From: ".oOo.oOo.oOo." To: "denise castillo" , Subject: Re: More Laminate Bullshit Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:37:36 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcfb8d$714d8ec0$4f56dad0@groovinkim.connectexpress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hmmm. I'm not sure I really understand this. Isn't the laminate online? If so, why doesn't everyone just download and print out their own? *puzzled* On the northwest raves list we had an all-list party and at the party everyone passed out the laminates so it worked out that way..... love, kim .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. the purpose of this record is to demonstrate by tone the ability of your pickup to stay in contact with the groove modulation. In other words, to track the groove. http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave/groovinkim/events.html seattle rave and club night listings =) ICQ #2388692 http://www.pulpfiction.com/rave Raverbooks - the world's first raver bookstore! .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. -----Original Message----- From: denise castillo To: sfraves@hyperreal.org ; unclenoa@netcom.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 7:18 PM Subject: Re: More Laminate Bullshit >:) >yAy!!! >i totally agree with u noah... it makez perfect sense... give out tha >official sfravez laminates only 2 those on tha list.. and make smaller >n' different but still kewl laminates 4 all tha otherz... that way no >one walkz away empty handed and evryone iz a happ-E rava!!! :) > >luv'n'hugzzzz.... >dEnisE > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 00:09:37 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16256 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 00:09:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 16246 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 00:09:32 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.8) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 00:09:32 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA13767; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:08:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca3-23.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.119) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013755; Thu Nov 27 18:08:07 1997 Message-ID: <347E0B49.8BE46ACC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:07:37 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lara at vibe.org" CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk This is so true. This scene is here for you... NOT the other way around. In my twisted opinion, the scene is an Existential and Intrinsic Entity that exists in Philosophical realm, and can not be physically defined. Therefore the people that are the biggest contributors to the scene are the ravers, guests & attendees... NOT the Promoters, organizers or artists. If you believe in the value of the scene, and you do something for the scene, then you do it for FUN, and for YOURSELF, and Because YOU know that 'Others' will benefit and enjoy your efforts... its a 'giving' thing... and its wonderful! You have a more solid fundamental idea of what YOU are doing it for. HOWEVER if you are just someone coming to a party... and know nothing about what's going on... then for you its a 'BELIEVE-IN' thing... which requires trust and faith in OTHERS ideals any definition of the scene. Placing trust in 'strangers' to fulfill their obligation in a scene as flaky as this is a way risky bet, you don't know what you may end up with. Without this type of support, there would be no scene at all. You may want to argue that it's the other way around... that without organizers and dj's there wouldn't be any thing for the 'ravers' to support... therefore people have to do things for the scene to keep it going. This is a very valid argument. But then you are putting unnecessary strain and unfair demands on the people for whom YOU are doing it all for, and that's how promoters become jaded. And if that's your an organizer or promoter and this is your attitude, then you should to reevaluate why and for whom you are in this scene. To sum up my point, I will conclude with this Quote: "Support must be Given, much in the same way that Respect must be Earned" Keep it Real... Vlad lara at vibe.org wrote: > who gives a flying fuck? > > honestly, it IS thanksgiving, the day of GIVING, but i have a question to > raise here. > > recently on the list, people have been asking "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE > SCENE," judging one's character due to how much they have contributed to > the scene. why is this? are you automatically a bad person if you haven't > helped throw a party? are you automatically no longer deemed worthy or > credible? > do i have to worry about joining a kru just to be a "good raver"? > > do i have to worry about WHICH kru i join, because i am bad to join the > wrong kru? > > do i have to worry about painting banners, and being at all the right > parties, and handing out free shit, and selling water, just to be deemed a > PROPA raver? > > i think not. > so why bring it up in the first place? > who cares if you're a happy kid or a kru member or just a partykid who > goes to massives or a kid who goes to undergrounds but just pays and > doesn't set it up? > you're no less/more of a righteous person. > > happy thanksgiving. > turkey holocaust? > does this mean i'm a nazi? > coz damn this bird tastes good. > > lara, the carniverous junglist From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 00:34:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19696 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 00:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 19688 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 00:34:11 -0000 Received: from f78.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.184) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 00:34:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 12194 invoked by uid 0); 28 Nov 1997 00:33:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19971128003344.12193.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:33:43 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: A Mr. Turkey :) *poem* Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:33:43 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The Mr. turkey came and left abig pie in my refrigerator... My stomachs full, and so is theirs so we can't eat pie right now... I eat too fast, "where'd my turkey go?" I'd ask... It's in my system, not wanting to be there, but now it's time for the tryptophan to run its task... Clouds are gone and the sun is there kinda, and now we do the dishes... Mom's excited for doing a job well done, "can you run to the store and get some egg nog hun?"... I'm so happy how these holidays change us, it makes us fight and love people at the same time and I can't think of a lame rhyme... It is Christmas now and for the next month, "maddenning," I'd say anything that rhymes with month... Next year and the year after Im not going to have a Mr. Turkey, I'm just gonna make the pies, one reason they don't attract that many flies plus it isn't worth the hassle of cooking a Mr. Turkey for 6 hours and only being able to eat for a few minutes, I jus don't know...and nothing rhymes in that, But with that and this, you wouldn't want to miss that We thanked and then we gave and tomorrow is justanother fuckin rave...but a good one I'm sure :P Peace, and I'm not quiting my day job Danny P.S. and even Slinkies can have a good Thanksgiving, because mine did...whatever o o o o0 o0 0 O o From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 00:50:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21431 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 00:50:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 21422 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 00:50:07 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 00:50:07 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA28849; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:49:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:49:07 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711280049.SAA28849@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from sfo-ca6-24.ix.netcom.com(199.35.210.216) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028844; Thu Nov 27 18:48:59 1997 From: jmiller9@ix.netcom.com (J Miller) Subject: NRR Re: fuckin assholes To: To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, hak1 wrote: > >> Sunday, November 30th - _Stompy Dig-In SF_ >> Mark Farina, Jonene, Preston, Buggin' Out and the Terrorist Society >> with jungle teknicians...Noel, Andrew Rawnsley, Push, Solar. >> noon-10pm, 21+, $13. 278 11th St, SF. >> >> check it kidz. solar spins jungle..... oh two years ago he hated it. > >So? > >> fuck off you fucking twat. go back to your little fucking house >> shite...... >> if your down thats kewl, but to fucking diss it in my face dayz ago, and >> now spin it is fuking shite in my book. don;t ever come to solid grooves >> you fool, never support the schemers........ > >Oh my goodness! You are going to ban Solar from Solid Grooves! Geez, I >wonder how anyone can survive that! > >If you have a problem with Solar, why not take it up with him instead of >posting your pointless and childish bitching to the entire list? Who are >you? Do you think anyone really gives a flying fuck what your opinion of >Solar is? > >Solar has helped this scene out immensly, putting on free parties through >the last few summers. What have you done? > > Black Adder > > > haK is the b0mb! he's also a jungle DJ. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 02:09:02 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29018 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 02:08:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 29010 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 02:08:56 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys02.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS02) (207.68.152.140) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 02:08:56 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR02 - 207.68.143.138 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:08:09 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.35.236.224 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:08:06 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: "Ray Vonie" , "lara at vibe.org" Cc: Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:14:49 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <02a700608021cb7UPIMSSMTPUSR02@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I personally wouldn't mind helping throw parties . . . and no, not because I want to get in free or wear a special laminate so I can look like "somebody" . . . okay, okay, maybe I do. But really, I think it would be a good thing if a lot of us did more than party & leave. We're not obligated to, and many of us don't have time, but becoming more involved could lead to better parties. Although the scene is a bit clique-ish . . . many times it seems to me that you have to know people who know people to "do something for the scene." That's a whole lot of bullshit to me, and I'd rather be just a partygoer than have to show someone I'm cool enough to pass out flyers, sell water, or clean up. Although I know that not all promoters have that type of attitude . . . but enough do. But does anyone have a right to bitch about the scene if you're not doing anything to improve it? I dunno. Actions always speak louder than words. Not that I haven't done my share of bitching, though. :-) xoxo--Miccaela -----Original Message----- From: Ray Vonie To: lara at vibe.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thursday, November 27, 1997 4:09 PM Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ > This is so true. This scene is here for you... NOT the other way around. >In my twisted opinion, the scene is an Existential and Intrinsic Entity that exists >in Philosophical realm, and can not be physically defined. Therefore the people >that are the biggest contributors to the scene are the ravers, guests & >attendees... NOT the Promoters, organizers or artists. If you believe in the value >of the scene, and you do something for the scene, then you do it for FUN, and for >YOURSELF, and Because YOU know that 'Others' will benefit and enjoy your efforts... >its a 'giving' thing... and its wonderful! You have a more solid fundamental idea >of what YOU are doing it for. HOWEVER if you are just someone coming to a >party... and know nothing about what's going on... then for you its a 'BELIEVE-IN' >thing... which requires trust and faith in OTHERS ideals any definition of the >scene. Placing trust in 'strangers' to fulfill their obligation in a scene as >flaky as this is a way risky bet, you don't know what you may end up with. Without >this type of support, there would be no scene at all. > You may want to argue that it's the other way around... that without >organizers and dj's there wouldn't be any thing for the 'ravers' to support... >therefore people have to do things for the scene to keep it going. This is a very >valid argument. But then you are putting unnecessary strain and unfair demands on >the people for whom YOU are doing it all for, and that's how promoters become >jaded. And if that's your an organizer or promoter and this is your attitude, >then you should to reevaluate why and for whom you are in this scene. > To sum up my point, I will conclude with this Quote: "Support must be >Given, much in the same way that Respect must be Earned" > >Keep it Real... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 02:42:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3312 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 02:41:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 3304 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 02:41:57 -0000 Received: from mail1.sirius.com (205.134.253.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 02:41:57 -0000 Received: from default (ppp-asfm-b--064.sirius.net [207.44.137.64]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id SAA15633 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:41:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711280241.SAA15633@mail1.sirius.com> From: "your elf" To: "SFRaves" Subject: Homes for homees Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:41:46 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Check me situation, if thee be me saviour, we shall acheive elation, on mutual endeavor. And behavior, for this is the key and the current problem with me. As I play my music loud it does often tend to crowd me neighbors space and in this place quiet is a necessity so they want to do without me. The way I sing: dj artist congas You can see how I can quickly meet all my neighbors in their underwear in the Berkeley hills. I need to a new place to chills, assistance? Love From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 02:43:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3936 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 02:43:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 3928 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 02:43:42 -0000 Received: from f19.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 02:43:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 19462 invoked by uid 0); 28 Nov 1997 02:43:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19971128024314.19461.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.135.113.8 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:43:14 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.135.113.8] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: blkadder@value.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org, jmiller9@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: NRR Re: fuckin assholes Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:43:14 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >>On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, hak1 wrote: >> >>> Sunday, November 30th - _Stompy Dig-In SF_ >>> Mark Farina, Jonene, Preston, Buggin' Out and the Terrorist >Society >>> with jungle teknicians...Noel, Andrew Rawnsley, Push, Solar. >>> noon-10pm, 21+, $13. 278 11th St, SF. >>> >>> check it kidz. solar spins jungle..... oh two years ago he hated it. > >> >>So? >> >>> fuck off you fucking twat. go back to your little fucking house >>> shite...... >>> if your down thats kewl, but to fucking diss it in my face dayz ago, >and >>> now spin it is fuking shite in my book. don;t ever come to solid >grooves >>> you fool, never support the schemers........ >> >>Oh my goodness! You are going to ban Solar from Solid Grooves! Geez, I >>wonder how anyone can survive that! >> >>If you have a problem with Solar, why not take it up with him instead >of >>posting your pointless and childish bitching to the entire list? Who >are >>you? Do you think anyone really gives a flying fuck what your opinion >of >>Solar is? >> >>Solar has helped this scene out immensly, putting on free parties >through >>the last few summers. What have you done? >> >> Black Adder >> >> >> >haK is the b0mb! he's also a jungle DJ. > My take on it is this, although Hak might have been a tad bit harsh:P his point is kind of important,...if you're a musician (of any sort,) you shouldn't be going around doggin any styles of music that do not suite to your tastes. It's plainly disrespectful to other musicians who either spin, like to listen to, or even create that kind of music. If you don't like it, dont talk about it. -Matt- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 04:17:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16910 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 04:17:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 16902 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 04:17:05 -0000 Received: from liberty6.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.166) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 04:17:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 24704 invoked by uid 0); 28 Nov 1997 04:16:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971128041637.24703.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:16:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:16:36 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk There are two things that I now refuse to do to help out at a party: 1) I will not work a map point or have anything to do with it 2)I will not sell water, I will give it away The reasons for the above statements are that I *personally* don't like the feeling of ripping off people (mainly with water) Selling water at a party for a dollar just kind of sux. If it was a .25 cent deal, well that may be different because you are just wanting to cover the cost of the water and not wanting to make a profit off of someone's desperate need-but hey, that's how the world turns right? Not my world... Map points are filled with pressure,STRESS, and *mad people *mad meanning crazy old guys wearing "death" masks and selling acid; mad meanning drunk guys barging into the building and yelling at you because you wont let him use the phone; and mad meanning a lady who is so intoxicated on something that she keeps on calling you her husband* Sorry, but I don't find it very fun, along with the "aw, c'mon you can't let us in?" and then you feel really bad so you do something to get your friends in (I haven't done this one yet) and then the party becomes waaaaay to overcrowded. What I love to do is decorate for the parties and ask if there is anything to do, but if you do ask this question, I am warning you, you will get what you ask for. To see what everyone has done, and to see the final product is a very nice feeling, to see everyone having a good time with what you and friends have just created (with the exception of Leslie who is very picky :P) Just kidding babe. It's fun in the end and so is the all-day sleep-a-thon. Why do people feel so compelled to stay away from the computer on holidays? Is there something special going on or what huh? :) Have a good one, Danny, Mistress of the dark, Kinky, yes, very :P P.S. Try helping out, you learn a lot (politics-yuck, meat people, bond, have sex, oops just kidding, that's the after party he he) >From sfraves-owner-poobear=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Thu Nov 27 18:09:06 1997 >Received: (qmail 29018 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 02:08:58 -0000 >Received: (qmail 29010 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 02:08:56 -0000 >Received: from upimssmtpsys02.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS02) (207.68.152.140) > by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 02:08:56 -0000 >Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR02 - 207.68.143.138 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; > Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:08:09 -0800 >Received: from vbaird - 153.35.236.224 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; > Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:08:06 -0800 >From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" >To: "Ray Vonie" , "lara at vibe.org" >Cc: >Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ >Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:14:49 -0800 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >Message-ID: <02a700608021cb7UPIMSSMTPUSR02@email.msn.com> >Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org >Precedence: bulk > >I personally wouldn't mind helping throw parties . . . and no, not because I >want to get in free or wear a special laminate so I can look like "somebody" >. . . okay, okay, maybe I do. > >But really, I think it would be a good thing if a lot of us did more than >party & leave. We're not obligated to, and many of us don't have time, but >becoming more involved could lead to better parties. > >Although the scene is a bit clique-ish . . . many times it seems to me that >you have to know people who know people to "do something for the scene." >That's a whole lot of bullshit to me, and I'd rather be just a partygoer >than have to show someone I'm cool enough to pass out flyers, sell water, or >clean up. Although I know that not all promoters have that type of attitude >. . . but enough do. > >But does anyone have a right to bitch about the scene if you're not doing >anything to improve it? I dunno. Actions always speak louder than words. > >Not that I haven't done my share of bitching, though. :-) > >xoxo--Miccaela > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ray Vonie >To: lara at vibe.org >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Date: Thursday, November 27, 1997 4:09 PM >Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ > > >> This is so true. This scene is here for you... NOT the other way >around. >>In my twisted opinion, the scene is an Existential and Intrinsic Entity >that exists >>in Philosophical realm, and can not be physically defined. Therefore the >people >>that are the biggest contributors to the scene are the ravers, guests & >>attendees... NOT the Promoters, organizers or artists. If you believe in >the value >>of the scene, and you do something for the scene, then you do it for FUN, >and for >>YOURSELF, and Because YOU know that 'Others' will benefit and enjoy your >efforts... >>its a 'giving' thing... and its wonderful! You have a more solid >fundamental idea >>of what YOU are doing it for. HOWEVER if you are just someone coming to a >>party... and know nothing about what's going on... then for you its a >'BELIEVE-IN' >>thing... which requires trust and faith in OTHERS ideals any definition of >the >>scene. Placing trust in 'strangers' to fulfill their obligation in a scene >as >>flaky as this is a way risky bet, you don't know what you may end up with. >Without >>this type of support, there would be no scene at all. >> You may want to argue that it's the other way around... that >without >>organizers and dj's there wouldn't be any thing for the 'ravers' to >support... >>therefore people have to do things for the scene to keep it going. This is >a very >>valid argument. But then you are putting unnecessary strain and unfair >demands on >>the people for whom YOU are doing it all for, and that's how promoters >become >>jaded. And if that's your an organizer or promoter and this is your >attitude, >>then you should to reevaluate why and for whom you are in this scene. >> To sum up my point, I will conclude with this Quote: "Support must >be >>Given, much in the same way that Respect must be Earned" >> >>Keep it Real... Vlad > > > > > > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 05:00:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22557 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 05:00:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 22549 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 05:00:17 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 05:00:17 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-4-189.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.189]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id VAA11631 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:00:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347E5031.73F5@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:01:37 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Location for: The SPIRIT of Giving References: <3479DF0E.242EBC7E@ix.netcom.com> <347A6460.74645103@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Well I know that I for one and TeknoDiva aka Patrice absolutly L O V E this spot!!! I have had some of the greatest times ever there! I love it! T -e- E -c- R -h- E -o- S -1- A Paul Hayden wrote: > > Vlad, you seriously need to go and get some help if you think EVERYONE > loves this spot. It's dirty! It's too big to find anyone! $15 is not > affordable! $10 is. > Love, > Paul*E*Wog > > Ray Vonie wrote: > > > > Many people have been hounding me for the location of this party. > > Normally We like to keep people in suspense about the location... it > > adds to that underground feeling, so I'm not going to come out and say > > it. BUT, i will give some clues :) > > > > 1. It is in Oakland > > 2. It is Very Close to Coliseum BART Station. > > 3. It is Very Close to freeway 880 > > 4. There has not been a party there since late August. > > 5. Everyone loves this spot. > > 6. It is indoor and outdoor > > 7. It is the same location were Spirit was last year. > > 8. 20k sqft of this 70k sqft facility will be used for This Party. > > 9. It is rare to have such an affordable party at this location. > > (practically a miracle) > > 10. This facility has Solid Walls, and does not require generators. > > 11. It is also known as the "Oakland International RAVE Center" > > > > If you guessed by the first 3 clues then you are a veteran raver. > > If you didn't figure it out until the 7th clue, then you are a new bee > > raver. > > If you still haven't gotten it.... than all I can say is..... welcome to > > the undreground :) > > > > ALSO... Keep in mind that Many of the ticket outlets will be closed on > > Thanksgiving Thursday. so to take advantage of the $15 Advance ticket > > and the $5 savings at Bigfloor, you should plan on geting your tix > > before stores close this Wednesday Night. > > > > for more info please click on these links: > > Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html > > Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html > > > > Keep it Real... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 05:18:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26877 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 05:18:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 26868 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 05:18:24 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 05:18:24 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA14158; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:17:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:17:56 -0500 (EST) From: RAVERBUM@aol.com Message-ID: <971128001756_2006379035@mrin39> To: thorfio@hotmail.com, SFRaves@hyperreal.org, TeKnODiVa@aol.com Subject: Re: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk is there a list of people who are on the SFR list? Maybe then we would know who is telling the truth or not From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 06:47:43 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7923 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 06:47:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 7915 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 06:47:37 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 06:47:37 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA14489; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:47:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:47:09 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971128014709_-1541012215@mrin39> To: ledesma@sfsu.edu, julie@cscomputing.com, TeKnODiVa@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Laminates Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Ok....well someone wrote that if a person is wanting a laminate then there should be a back up method....meaning just some random laminate....I personally wouldn't feel hurt by getting one....I would actually feel like an idiot for even asking in the first place....especially if I didn't even know what it was for. But anywaze............ <3*MushyB! In a message dated 97-11-27 04:24:11 EST, ledesma@sfsu.edu writes: << Okay...here's my perspective on this. And feel absolutely free to completely shoot me down again, especially since I'm new. I can see where Karma2001 and TeKnODiVa are coming from. From what I understand, these laminates are a means of identifying fellow SFRavers. So, I can see there frustration with random people having them. HOWEVER...I can definitely see Julie's point, especially since I'm a new raver. If I wasn't on SFRaves and I went to a party and walked up to the SFRaves table and was denied a laminate because I wasn't part of SFRaves, I would be pretty sad. In addition, I probably would have developed a negative view of the SFRaves community. I *would* think that SFRavers are a bunch of elitists and meanies! So as *I* see it, there are two options: 1) Only send them out through the mail to people who are on the SFRaves list. --OR-- 2) Give them out at parties and make them available to anyone who is willing to listen to you tell them a little bit about SFRaves. Just my opinion, but what you you guys think about it? VespaRaver ================================================= ************************************************* "One in three must find some peace." ************************************************* >> From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 06:56:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9448 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 06:56:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 9433 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 06:56:43 -0000 Received: from shell12.ba.best.com (stevedb@206.184.139.143) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 06:56:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (stevedb@localhost) by shell12.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA19636 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:56:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:56:41 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Reply-To: Steve To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: NRR: Gear for sale In-Reply-To: <19971127080937.475.qmail@hyperreal.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk 1 (one) Technics 1200 mkII for sale 1 (one) Mackie 1202 for sale Both reasonably priced - reply stevedb@best.com thanx sd From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 06:58:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10040 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 06:58:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 10032 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 06:58:23 -0000 Received: from mrin40.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin40.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.150) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 06:58:23 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA14158; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:57:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:57:55 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971128015754_-1960789119@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: byroni@ccnet.com, vbaird@email.msn.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Why do you go to parties?><{{{*>~ Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ****************************************ILOVEYOU****************************** ************** I go to parties to see ALL of you guys and everyone else....it is a place where all of my friends from north south east and west all come together and have a jolly ol' time dancing the night away...jumping up and down....hugging....dancing....drinking lots of water....dancing...more hugging.....dancing.....take a breather and meet new people.....dance some more.....lots of hugging....lots of pictures.....and then drive home and pass out.....or go to the park.....or Crickets house.....and then I get on that computor just to make sure that ALL of you guys had a wonderful evening just like I did...:) <3*MushyB! or Melissa XXXxxXXOOoOooOooXXxxXxxxxOOoOoooooOOooXxxXXxXxXxoooOOOooOoOoXXxx From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 09:12:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24104 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 09:12:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 24095 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 09:12:15 -0000 Received: from f30.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.41) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 09:12:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 25883 invoked by uid 0); 28 Nov 1997 09:11:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19971128091147.25882.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.170.64.78 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:11:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.170.64.78] From: "Break Dancer" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, vbaird@email.msn.com Subject: Re: Why do you go to parties? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:11:47 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I go for the variety of music.... if there is none.. i'll still go and have fun... i go to parties to dance and feel the bass of the speakers.... my 2$ here in so-cali :) peace Philip disordr> From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 09:15:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25778 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 09:15:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 25767 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 09:15:02 -0000 Received: from dry2.jps.net (208.25.63.250) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 09:15:02 -0000 Received: from dry.jps.net (dry.jps.net [208.25.63.253]) by dry2.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA09996 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [208.25.62.178] (istk-port411.jps.net [208.25.62.178]) by dry.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA12897 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:14:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711280914.BAA12897@dry.jps.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:19:45 +0100 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: moshe1@jps.net (Moshe Kasher) Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >raise here. > >recently on the list, people have been asking "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE >SCENE," judging one's character due to how much they have contributed to >the scene. why is this? are you automatically a bad person if you haven't >helped throw a party? are you automatically no longer deemed worthy or >credible? > do i have to worry about joining a kru just to be a "good raver"? > > do i have to worry about WHICH kru i join, because i am bad to join the >wrong kru? > >do i have to worry about painting banners, and being at all the right >parties, and handing out free shit, and selling water, just to be deemed a >PROPA raver? > >i think not. >so why bring it up in the first place? >who cares if you're a happy kid or a kru member or just a partykid who >goes to massives or a kid who goes to undergrounds but just pays and >doesn't set it up? >you're no less/more of a righteous person. > >happy thanksgiving. >turkey holocaust? >does this mean i'm a nazi? >coz damn this bird tastes good. > >lara, the carniverous junglist here here, i dont think i have ever agreed more to a post than i did with this one . Basicly our scene is one of entertainment. Alot of us take it to more than that (ie)a social scene,a spirtual journey,a busness,and a place to use our creative energy. I have,at one time or another,used it for all of these things. As a premoter,dj,and all around groovy guy. But this all started withbeing a dancer. Essencially this is why i started parting. I never planned to make this "my scene" it just happened. I never planned to throw parties or start spinning it just came from a love of the scene. The party kids are what keeep our scene alive and well. If everyone threw parties or had some specific busniess other than just partying our scene wouldnt exist. Everybody would be on the guest list. This scene doesnt have depth and weight unless we choose to make it that way. And one more thing working in the scene makes it alot harder to just go out and have a good time. so to all of u kids who go out because they love the scene and nothing else bravo and keep it up .....your disgruntled raver worker,moshe (p.s please excuse my spelling) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 09:17:10 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26841 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 09:17:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 26833 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 09:17:04 -0000 Received: from mrin52.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin52.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.162) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 09:17:04 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id EAA23286 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:16:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:16:36 -0500 (EST) From: DjMarq@aol.com Message-ID: <971128041636_328513930@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: hey hey hey!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Just felt like postin' and saying hi to everyone. HI EVERYONE!!!!! see you all at spirit! Marq From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 09:34:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29186 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 09:34:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 29178 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 09:34:25 -0000 Received: from mrin53.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin53.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.163) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 09:34:25 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id EAA10443 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:33:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: IWuVu637@aol.com Message-ID: <971128043357_1678028873@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: hewwo!!!!!@@@@@@@@@@ Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz hewwo there raahz From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 11:12:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24144 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 11:12:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 24132 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 11:12:20 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 11:12:20 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-19.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.19]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA16441 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:12:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711281112.DAA16441@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: Subject: Re: Why do you go to parties? Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:12:05 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Warning....! I got a buzz going.. I make more sense but, I am harder TO UNDERSTAND! Why, I goto parties. I wish U could be more specific! Like "why do I goto parties now" or " why did I goto parties before" Well now to be honest.. I only goto parties NOW because of, what I feel they might bring me back to.. A memory, an image, a spark of imagination. Like I remember this head-trip back in...., or, "I learn something new every day." Unfortunetly, I thrive off what people might think (if I come across like this)... But I neglect to make that clear. oh well.. And when people think WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WOULD THINK.... I can't help (stop) myself....I end up playing that part.. You know.. I could go on and on right now / you don't even know.. But I just thought of the first an final answer to your question (wherever this tread came from). Shit! I lost that thought! Why do I goto parties, I goto parties to because... Fug it.. I go, because It makes me feel like A part of society! That's not the image I had in my mind a second ago but.. I guess the reason that came up as an alternative is, because... I miss you people. =[ Blah, blah, blah.. And an emotional reck. Goodnight. This is stimulating! Jeff From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 11:23:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25290 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 11:23:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 25281 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 11:23:10 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 11:23:10 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-19.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.19]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA19152 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:23:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711281123.DAA19152@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:22:55 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I was going to write a 5000 word essay on this subject but... To all the people that think like..."what have you done for the scene lately" Anybody that thinks like that....SHUT UP.. You KNOW your only trying to look important!!! Ok, Good night.. And... Damnit! I can't think of a way to spell... "you know, that buzzer sound that indicates YOU ARE WRONG".. Eahh.. Shit! Slug it. Night.. Jeff I mean... It does have an NRR in it. nStuff : Lara wrote: : : who gives a flying fuck? : You fill in the blanks.. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 11:46:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29813 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 11:46:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 29805 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 11:46:46 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 11:46:46 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-19.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.19]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01864 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:46:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711281146.DAA01864@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: Subject: Hmmmm... (Not Your Rave Related) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:46:29 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hmmmm, I am wondering, Has anyone else on the list been summoned to participate in a ReBirth song contest? I have been chosen.. Oh.. No.. Today (got e-mail)They told me I can only submit a maximum of two songs. I have two really cool one's.... BUT! I am ANAL! I still think they could do ALOT of producing.. The contest rules are as, I HAVE to make the songs 150bpm (no more / no less).. And they can be no longer than 200bars.. Anyone wanna help me? Anyone with ReBirth wanna help me I mean.? If you want to try your imagination on my songs, let me know. I need more meaningful fills for this (these) song(s).. Anyone wanna lend a helping hand? Concider it "remixing"? Anyone wanna give me alittle critisisum on these songs? I love the rythms but, I am so stuck on the rythms. I can't (seem to) make them a song all the way! Anyone wanna try? If I win and get a 303 or something.. I promise I will let you take a picture of it! =]:... No seriously though.. Anyone interested in downloading one of my favorite new songs made with ReBirth, to improove opon.. Let me know. I would appreciate AND enjoy the help... I need to sleep! Satan! Oh.. Don't read into that. Just a thought, the satan part. Let me know if you can help. Jeff I am looking for someone to make better fills, breaks, and pick-ups for the songs I have selected. I will still be adding the final touches to whatever beautiful thoughts you come up with. Welcome to the world of producing. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 12:45:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5806 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 12:45:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 5797 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 12:45:13 -0000 Received: from apollo.sfsu.edu (arthurc@130.212.10.167) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 12:45:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (arthurc@localhost) by apollo.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA04607 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:45:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:45:08 -0800 (PST) From: Arthur Chandler X-Sender: arthurc@apollo To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: plurity and sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > There was something said to me by one Arthur Chandler (who as best I can > tell is still on this list :) which made about ten thousand things come > into focus for me. He was telling me about the hippies in the 60's, about > how through their psychedelics-induced visions of God in GG Park had > started to have identity crises, they hit the existential wall of "what > next?"... what he told me was a Zen koan: > > Chopping wood before enlightenment, chopping wood after enlightenment. > Greetings, Brian and all others. Yep, I'm still here. Once I join a community I try to stay with it. It's amazing what you learn on a list like this one. If you unsub out of anger or boredom, the learning stops. I've always felt that the greatest tool in the PINE mailer was Control-O -- the postpone command. I've trained myself to use it whenever I've composed email in anger or frustration. Control-O allows time to intervene between the thought and the act. And every time I've used Control-O, I've modified my original words in the direction of greater respect for the people I'm writing to. *Plurality* is a splendid concept in a clever package. But the one element we need to make it more than just a slogan is the dimension of time. Whether we send comments to this list in a spirit of love, a spirit of anger, or one of the infinite shades in between, it's worth thinking this over: EVERY EVENT HAS EFFECTS FOREVER -- Arthur "If you can talk, you can sing. If you can walk, you can dance." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 16:16:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25574 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 16:16:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 25566 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 16:16:21 -0000 Received: from value.net (raygun@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 16:16:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA26871; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:16:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:16:01 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: J Miller cc: blkadder@value.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR Re: fuckin assholes In-Reply-To: <199711280049.SAA28849@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yeah...but he's also really Fuckin (to quote him) Rude!!! On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, J Miller wrote: > You wrote: > > > >On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, hak1 wrote: > > > >> Sunday, November 30th - _Stompy Dig-In SF_ > >> Mark Farina, Jonene, Preston, Buggin' Out and the Terrorist > Society > >> with jungle teknicians...Noel, Andrew Rawnsley, Push, Solar. > >> noon-10pm, 21+, $13. 278 11th St, SF. > >> > >> check it kidz. solar spins jungle..... oh two years ago he hated it. > > > > >So? > > > >> fuck off you fucking twat. go back to your little fucking house > >> shite...... > >> if your down thats kewl, but to fucking diss it in my face dayz ago, > and > >> now spin it is fuking shite in my book. don;t ever come to solid > grooves > >> you fool, never support the schemers........ > > > >Oh my goodness! You are going to ban Solar from Solid Grooves! Geez, I > >wonder how anyone can survive that! > > > >If you have a problem with Solar, why not take it up with him instead > of > >posting your pointless and childish bitching to the entire list? Who > are > >you? Do you think anyone really gives a flying fuck what your opinion > of > >Solar is? > > > >Solar has helped this scene out immensly, putting on free parties > through > >the last few summers. What have you done? > > > > Black Adder > > > > > > > haK is the b0mb! he's also a jungle DJ. > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 16:56:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3455 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 16:56:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 3447 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 16:56:16 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.11) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 16:56:16 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA08511 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:55:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca3-23.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.119) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008502; Fri Nov 28 10:55:04 1997 Message-ID: <347EF750.B87EDE13@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:54:40 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainmnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves Subject: Tonight: The Spirit of Giving :) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving, and is ready to for tonight :) The party is at Home Base. Some advance tix are still available at stores for $15, call around. There will be door tickets available for $20, but get there early.(limited) Please bring donations of canned food, toys, blankets, and clothing for the needy. 415.263.0483 510.888.2358 408.881.0785 for info. It's a Beutifull Day, and its Going to be a Beautiful Party.. see you all Tonight! :) Lineup for 'The SPIRIT of Giving" Progressive & Trance Kwashi 9 -10 Kevin Kind 10 -11 Mark Johns 11 -12 Tony 12 - 1 DRC 1 - 2 Carlos 2 - 3 Essence 3 - 4 Vertigo 4 - 5 MODA 5 - Close Hardhouse & Breakbeats Dean Kroh 9 - 10 Seannie Boy 10 - 11 Macadio & Micron 11 - 12:20 The E-Team :DJ EFX & M2000 12:20 - 1:40 with Big Ed on live congas and keyboards Ghost & Frank Nitty 1:40 - 3:00 Josh Schwab & Corey 3 - 4:20 Paucus & Tripnotix 4:20 - Close Deep Funk & Grove Jeff Taisch 9 - 10 Ulrich 10 - 11 Bloom 11 - 12 Spinner 12 - 1 Moshe 1 - 2:15 Boomerang Fidgit 2:15 - 3:30 Slim 3:30 - 4:30 Deepfog 4:30 - Close Link to Flyer: http://www.globalparty.com/upcoming/spirit.html Link to News: http://www.globalparty.com/global_network/news_05.html "The Drugs are in the Music... The High is in the Dance... And Raving is the Ecstacy!" Keep it Real... Ray Vonie :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 17:13:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5926 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 17:13:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 5918 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 17:13:09 -0000 Received: from precipice.v-site.net (204.188.120.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 17:13:09 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by precipice.v-site.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA07951; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:22:52 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jsl-thz@v-site.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971128024314.19461.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:14:49 -0800 To: "Matt Schwartz" From: Megan Haggerty Subject: Re: NRR Re: fuckin assholes Cc: blkadder@value.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org, jmiller9@ix.netcom.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 6:43 PM -0800 11/27/97, Matt Schwartz wrote: > My take on it is this, although Hak might have been a tad bit >harsh:P his point is kind of important,...if you're a musician (of any >sort,) you shouldn't be going around doggin any styles of music that do >not suite to your tastes. It's plainly disrespectful to other musicians >who either spin, like to listen to, or even create that kind of music. >If you don't like it, dont talk about it. > >-Matt- > Art is about stirring up emotion - positive OR negative. There is no positive without negative and the two will always go hand in hand. Artists should be able to handle a little critcism. Based on your "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" logic, Hak never should have made his comments, either. I don't have a problem with Hak feeling the way he does, but there are more respectful ways of expressing negative ideas. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 17:13:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6474 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 17:13:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 6462 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 17:13:57 -0000 Received: from precipice.v-site.net (204.188.120.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 17:13:57 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by precipice.v-site.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA07968; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:23:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711270743.XAA10645@norway.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:59:10 -0800 To: hak1 From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: fuckin assholes Cc: Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 11:44 PM -0800 11/26/97, hak1 wrote: > Sunday, November 30th - _Stompy Dig-In SF_ > Mark Farina, Jonene, Preston, Buggin' Out and the Terrorist Society > with jungle teknicians...Noel, Andrew Rawnsley, Push, Solar. > noon-10pm, 21+, $13. 278 11th St, SF. > >check it kidz. solar spins jungle..... oh two years ago he hated it. Maybe he's changed his mind. People are still allowed to do that, yes? 3 years ago I hated jungle too. I love it better than house now. I guess that makes me an asshole. I guess that makes Preston an asshole since he used to not like Jungle, and the idea of a jungle room wasn't in his mind, I geuss that makes him an asshole. The same for Martin, the same for FTT, the same for the majority of people who weren't into it and are now into it fully(motives notwithstanding). I think change is great, and I for one am glad that a good guy like Solar (who is also a telented DJ and a friend of mine) is expanding his horizons to jungle. I can't wait to hear him at stompy. But I guess the only people who will be in the jungle room are a bunch of assholes who don't get it, and never will get. Count me in as one of 'em! Right on! :p > fuck >off you fucking twat. Why not say that to his face. Why be faceless and say it here where it's safe. Since you know he'll be spinning at stompy you can tell him there. I would like to see that, since I'll be in the jungle room for the most part. > go back to your little fucking house shite...... It's shit. This is not England or Scotland, this is America and there is no such word as "shite" in the American lexicon. "Shit" is the proper useage. >if your down thats kewl, but to fucking diss it in my face dayz ago, and >now spin it is fuking shite in my book. Grammar 101 anyone? This apparently vile sentence makes little or no sense. (Did you ever consider that *maybe* Solar was joking?) > don;t ever come to solid grooves >you fool, never support the schemers........ So you have the power to ban a Dj from a record store? You mean Harry Who listens to your recomendations of who should and could buy music in his store. Do you own Solid Grooves? Do you even *know* Harry? Matters little. Solar can shop where he wants, and next time he's in Solid grooves I bet Harry and the crew will have nothing but love for homey. After all, he's spending mad money in there, like everyone else. > >haK Whatever haK. You probably misunderstood where Solar was coming from. First of all he's as sarcastic as they come (I didn;t use to like the guy too much , his sarcasm baored and irritated me). After some time I found homeboy to be a really good guy, and a really good DJ. He's aces in mine and others people's books. He's always joking and always clowning. Maybe it was the question you asked, and maybe you didn't get the joke. Maybe you guys were just crosstalking and you took it negatively. Relax and get serious with him if you wish. But the attacks are unwarranted, uncool, immature, and backhanded. Take it to the source next time. Spare us please. Peace, John "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 17:14:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6834 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 17:14:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 6510 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 17:14:00 -0000 Received: from precipice.v-site.net (204.188.120.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 17:14:00 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by precipice.v-site.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA07974 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:23:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:00:14 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Interacting with others. Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I don't really remember when I actually joined SFRAVES. I do remember that I made assumptions about the people who were on the list. Thankfully, for the most part I was dead wrong. I spent time getting to know the people I had made so many assumptions about. In time I found that SFRaves was everything *I* made it to be. If it was good it was due to me, the same for the negative. This list has changed, and recently I was confronted with a person, who wanted to call me out on my post about kids and how *I* see them in this scene, and how I perceive raving and children. After some harsh words the person revealed that they didn't sign their name because they did not want their identity revealed. Later on in the heated conversation they revealed that the e-mail address that they gave me wasn't the real one....why? Because they were afraid of me or some other inane rubbish. I will not reveal the name the person finally gave me because I think it would be of little value, *and* I promised the person, due to certain circumstances, that I not reveal their name. In any case, I would ask that if you have something to say to me, be 100% real. I do not hide who I am or who my e-mail address is, because unlike others, I will say to your face, what I would say via e-mail. My years in knowing the people in this scene will back up this assertion 100%. If you want to hide in anonymity then stay way from me. I only want to deal with real people, not punks, and sorry candyjacks who feel the need to reply to me anonymously. If you have a problem with me, or something I say, be very real, or suffer being very outed. I have no time for folx who want to hide behind free e-mail accounts or otherwise. If I can put myself out there to be scrutinzed, then if you reply to me about what I say, then the *least* courtesy you can provide me is who you are in real life. Don't be weak, and don't be a coward. Either come forth, and bring your issues to me, as you are, or be silent. I have no time for people who hide in safety. Own your words, and claim them. Be real or be gone. No time for candyjacks, John P.S. The moral of this story is, either be a subscriber to the list, that can be verified, or save it. Conversation should be two way. "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 17:14:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6881 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 17:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 6471 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 17:13:59 -0000 Received: from precipice.v-site.net (204.188.120.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 17:13:59 -0000 Received: from [205.162.25.58] (ascend.twenty-hz.com [205.162.25.57]) by precipice.v-site.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA07971; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:23:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bcfaab$fc8a3980$b1c5abcf@mohan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:00:18 -0800 To: "Funky Tekno Tribe" From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving from the Funky Tekno Tribe Cc: "SFRAVES" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 12:43 PM -0800 11/26/97, Funky Tekno Tribe Sound System wrote: >Hi, >Big wishes from the Funky Tekno Tribe crew. Thanks for all the support >through the past 5 years and especially this year for making our events like >Ultra, Organic, FTT Presents, Tribal Massive and ENIT successful! We're >working hard on a number of shows next year and will continue to bring the >best music and acts to the bay area. In the works in early 98 are both a >national and international tour, our first cd release and a history making >US tour with a legendary and influential German techno band (guess?) kicked >off right here in San Francisco in March ... Have a great Thanksgiving! > >The Funky Tekno Tribe >http://www.funkytekno.com Hello, My name is John S. Lee, and I'm looking for Kevon Banks. tell him to write me asap, since brothers gotta work it out! Also had a good time at the Goldie show, tell K to call me or e-mail me. Thanks, John "The first casualty of war is truth." - Rudyard Kipling From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 19:14:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22031 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 19:14:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 22008 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 19:14:08 -0000 Received: from mrin54.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin54.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.164) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 19:14:08 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin54.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA16749 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:13:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:13:41 -0500 (EST) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Message-ID: <971128141341_1272825793@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: Karma2001@aol.com, SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Laminates Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-28 01:48:08 EST, you write: << HOWEVER...I can definitely see Julie's point, especially since I'm a new raver. If I wasn't on SFRaves and I went to a party and walked up to the SFRaves table and was denied a laminate because I wasn't part of SFRaves, I would be pretty sad. In addition, I probably would have developed a negative view of the SFRaves community. I *would* think that SFRavers are a bunch of elitists and meanies! >> WHat are you talking about??? I thought we WERE a bunch of elitists and meanies!! Isn't that what SFRaves is all about?? JUST KIDDING! Have a good weekend everybody... hugs n'stuff, 'trice the tekno diva IN the future... we won't even go to raves.. WE'll all turn on our fractal files and play tecno music on our cd roms while we chat live through V-rave. It's the party of the FUTURE =) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 20:20:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3384 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 20:20:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 3376 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 20:20:07 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 20:20:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA19923; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:19:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:19:51 -0800 (PST) From: blkadder@value.net Reply-To: blkadder@value.net To: "lara at vibe.org" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, lara at vibe.org wrote: > who gives a flying fuck? > > honestly, it IS thanksgiving, the day of GIVING, but i have a question to > raise here. > > recently on the list, people have been asking "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE > SCENE," judging one's character due to how much they have contributed to > the scene. why is this? are you automatically a bad person if you haven't > helped throw a party? are you automatically no longer deemed worthy or > credible? Are you automatically a bad person? Of course not. Feeling the need to come on here and call someone a "fucking twat" and various other names doesn't leave me with a good impression of that person, however. But that's just my opinion. What did you think about the original post that prompted my response? Would you address a crowd of people in such a fashion? Did it leave you in awe at the sheer intellect it requires to spew a stream of obscenities? Now to the issue of credibility... What do we have to judge someone's credibility to make statements and the import with which to give such statements in this forum? Without intimate knowledge of the people in question, all *I* have are these two things: 1) Their words on this list. 2) Their actions. Now number 1 was easy in this case. The person in question came on and spewed a bunch of poorly spelled trash. So it is fairly easy to dismiss their words as such. So that leaves me with number two. Now, on the one hand, we have a person that I have seen put on free, outdoor parties for years. That person has given their time, their effort, their money, and risked legal entanglements to offer anyone interested a good time. No charge, no strings, nothing. You want to donate? Cool. If you can't, that's ok too. On the other hand, I have a big question mark. I don't know what this person has done, or who they are, other than they have a poor grasp of the English language and the seeming inability to do anything but talk crap. So I asked. While I don't know him other than meeting him briefly, I have a lot of respect for Solar, and what he has help create. Does that make him a saint or better than anyone else? Of course not. But it gives me a pretty good indication that his heart is in the right place. And what do we have from #2? A personal response calling me a "clueless fuk." > do i have to worry about joining a kru just to be a "good raver"? > > do i have to worry about WHICH kru i join, because i am bad to join the > wrong kru? > > do i have to worry about painting banners, and being at all the right > parties, and handing out free shit, and selling water, just to be deemed a > PROPA raver? It isn't about being a "proper raver." Never was. I asked the question I did in the context of raving, because that was the context in which Solar was being attacked. > who cares if you're a happy kid or a kru member or just a partykid who > goes to massives or a kid who goes to undergrounds but just pays and > doesn't set it up? > you're no less/more of a righteous person. If you have a better suggestion on how to assign value to someone without knowing them other than their words and deeds, please share it. Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 20:27:09 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4886 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 20:27:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 4878 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 20:27:03 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 20:27:03 -0000 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) id <01IQJK541NAU9EDT31@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:26:57 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:26:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Doreen Subject: Re: fuckin assholes To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, hak1@earthlink.net Message-id: <01IQJK541WYG9EDT31@SONOMA.EDU> X-VMS-To: SMTP%"sfraves@hyperreal.org" SMTP%"hak1@earthlink.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > Do you know how do use the English language?!.... alright, i may not be the smartest person, despite discovering the phenomenon about the word 'utility', but there are two flaws here. 1)i think the second 'do' is meant to be 'to' and 2)one shouldn't use a punctuation mark followed by a question mark. **** on a comical note, i think it is a personal choice to USE the English language or not, but i do not believe in abuse. THINK BEFORE YOU USE. -doreen From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 20:32:56 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6189 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 20:32:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 6181 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 20:32:50 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 20:32:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA09303 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:30:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:30:53 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Matt accidentially sent this to me only, and wanted you all to see. xo. ;D ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 14:14:54 PST From: Matt Schwartz To: lara@vibe.org Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ >From: "lara at vibe.org" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ >who gives a flying fuck? > >honestly, it IS thanksgiving, the day of GIVING, but i have a question to >raise here. > >recently on the list, people have been asking "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE >SCENE," judging one's character due to how much they have contributed to >the scene. why is this? are you automatically a bad person if you haven't >helped throw a party? are you automatically no longer deemed worthy or >credible? > do i have to worry about joining a kru just to be a "good raver"? > > do i have to worry about WHICH kru i join, because i am bad to join the >wrong kru? > >do i have to worry about painting banners, and being at all the right >parties, and handing out free shit, and selling water, just to be deemed a >PROPA raver? > >i think not. >so why bring it up in the first place? >who cares if you're a happy kid or a kru member or just a partykid who >goes to massives or a kid who goes to undergrounds but just pays and >doesn't set it up? >you're no less/more of a righteous person. > >happy thanksgiving. >turkey holocaust? >does this mean i'm a nazi? >coz damn this bird tastes good. > >lara, the carniverous junglist > Lara dear...you are soooo RIGHT ON!!! An Ravers who feel that they are "UNCOOL" or, "UNRESPECTED," or "WHATEVER," just because you haven't had as much working experience or whatnot, or aren't in a "Raver clique," or whatnot....should definately...one hundred percent...NOT FEEL THAT WAY. You shouldn't be made to feel that way....an anybody that makes you feel that way is a complete AS*HOLE. There are only two groups of people who you should give a flying rats ass about how they feel about you and those are your friends and your family, and if any of those people give you less repsect as a human being because you're not in with the raver crowd....screw them too!...they probably weren't your friends to begin with!...breath!...I'm out :P ************************************************************* Stay Cool! /////// /// /// /////// ////// ////// /////// /////// /// /// /// /// // /// / // /// /// // /// /// /// /// // /////\ ////// /// /// // /// /// /// /////// /// \\ // /////// /////// tm. Matthew A. Schwartz -Matt...the other one- "If the beats were matched, and the levels were just right... these records might actually sound good together!" ************************************************************* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 20:49:57 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8927 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 20:49:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 8919 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 20:49:55 -0000 Received: from f89.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.195) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 20:49:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 12825 invoked by uid 0); 28 Nov 1997 20:49:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19971128204928.12824.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.182.131.113 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:49:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.182.131.113] From: "Carol Saldana" To: vbaird@email.msn.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Why do you go to parties? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:49:27 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Miccaela wrote: >Basically, I'm just wondering how you guys decide where to go when there's >several events you can choose from each weekend. I thought it'd be cool to >see some opinions. A couple of ways, but mostly word of mouth. If I hear from my close friends about a party that sounds good and the line-up is to my liking then I will generally go. Also, there are a number of parties that certain promoters have put on in the past that I have totally enjoyed myself a and I'm most certain that it will be worth my time and energy. Flyers don't do it for me, nor will radio announcements. I like small intimate parties these days. It's what works for me. Be well, Carol Saldana From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 21:07:46 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12546 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 21:07:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 12536 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 21:07:41 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 21:07:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA10353; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:05:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:05:41 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: blkadder@value.net cc: "lara at vibe.org" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Black Adder has a few good points here. However, I wasn't singling out this one case, I've heard "what have YOU done for the SCENE?" in so many different contexts, not just on SFR but around the group of people I am faced with @ parties. I used to help ALL the time. I used to have FUN working even MAP POINT (ain't all that bad). But I decided to take a few steps back to deal with personal family stuff and getting my own life on track. and for that very reason, in the scene I've become a lesser person in many eyes. It's not just me that feels that vibe from people, it's being directed toward me. At Viberation, i heard "yeah she USED to be a happy kid until she bailed out on them and went to Halloween Tribal Massive. Pshhh" 1) who gives a flying fuck? *grin* 2) Dj rap was so good, i'd do it again a million times! (it was all about me and my own personal priorities.) 3) (BSP) Happy Kids 1-year comin up, and i AM still a happy kid. I agree about judging someone by their character and their actions. However. just because I don't go around cleaning up a party after i PAY to get in, does not mean i am a BAD person. I do alot of GOOD things for people, just not as much in the scene anymore. yanno? or did i lose ya'all on this one? I don't really agree with the term "fucking twat," although it was rather amusing to see it being used and a strong opinion being thrown on the list like that. tehee. go hak. i can see how you are all offended, however, again, his actions for the scene are, maybe relevant in this case, but if he DOESN'T partake in promoting, he is NOT a bad person. he has a strong opinion on someone, fine. attack him all you want, but when it comes down to it... All in all, you can't judge someone for how much work they do in the scene. I know people who help throw parties (or claim they do). they show up around 6-8pm at the party they're "helping throw" and sit on their asses in the location, half-heartedly pinning things to the wall. or painting a half-assed mural. my question: WHY EVEN FUCKING BOTHER? because they 1) want to look cool 2) want to get in for free. lovely. good to know it comes from the heart ya'all. i think if they want to do that. lovely. but people like this are LIVING PROOF that you can't judge someone for what they do for the scene. these kids aren't doing SHITE, they're getting in for FREE for being at the location an hour or two before doors open. and yet, in the theory of "what have you done for the scene?" they can say "i've helped out at X amount of parties" when all they've done it for was popularity and financial reasons. helping at parties does not automatically make you a good person. i'd rather fucking pay and be honest about it and say "no, i DON'T want to help." what have i done for the scene in the past few months? i've partied my ass off. does this make me a bitch? love peace and much respect for the Black Adder. :) i'll see you at Spirit. lara From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 21:49:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18371 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 21:49:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 18363 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 21:49:13 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 21:49:13 -0000 Received: from [206.170.24.82] (ppp-206-170-24-82.sntc01.pacbell.net [206.170.24.82]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id NAA29789 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:49:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971128204928.12824.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:49:16 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "Eric P. Peterson" Subject: Re: Why do you go to parties? Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >Miccaela wrote: > >>Basically, I'm just wondering how you guys decide where to go when >there's >>several events you can choose from each weekend. I thought it'd be cool >to >>see some opinions. > Number one: who's throwing the party. Number two: the dj line-up. If I'm good with both of these, in that order, and I have $ for it, and my vehicle is up to it, then I'm there :) I've developed a sense for what the vibe will be like, and whether or not more of my friends will be there, based on the line-up alone. Course, there are exceptions. I've gone to parties before solely on the basis of one or a couple of the djs, especially if they're friends of mine. Then, if I'm feeling really adventurous, and my instincts say go, I'll go to an event without knowing the djs, or if anyone I know will be there. There ya go! Eric From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 21:59:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20241 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 21:59:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 20233 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 21:59:15 -0000 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu (campbedw@128.138.129.12) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 21:59:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (campbedw@localhost) by ucsub.Colorado.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.4/CNS-4.1p) with SMTP id OAA21821 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:59:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:59:13 -0700 (MST) From: dc To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: visitors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk visitors from boulder, colorado need info & directions to whatever might be going on saturday night... thanx. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 22:26:11 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23140 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 22:26:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 23123 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 22:26:05 -0000 Received: from smtp.airlink.com (HELO airlink.com) (206.79.25.134) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 22:26:05 -0000 Received: from [206.79.25.167] by airlink.com (SMTPD32-3.02) id A4F02A850058; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:25:52 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:28:31 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCFC09.E6C35F00.rickf@AirLink.com> From: Rick To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" Subject: Spirit! Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:28:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Where is everyone meeting for Spirit? Is there going to be a SFRAVES table there? Jedi666Boy ~Jedi needs direction or the untamed force within him will bubble over and create a big mess! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 23:15:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 148 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 23:15:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 138 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 23:15:35 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 23:15:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19971128230939.14034.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.80.9.251] by web1; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:09:39 PST Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:09:39 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: Why do you go to parties? To: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk all those reasons you mentioned may play into my decision to go to a particular rave, but usually the choice is based on entirely different reasons. during the summer, i would often go to a party simply because it was outdoors. and if it was within an hour or two of sf, so much the better. sometimes a good gimick will get me there (combination galley opening/rave? i'm there! complimentary isolation tanks? count me in!) beyond that, i generally decide whether or not i want to go raving/clubbing at all that day/weekend, then choose the most likely looking event once that decision is made. for instance, i may skip an interesting rave because a friend knows of a kool sounding theme party (spiral tribe vs. underwear party? underwear party wins every time!). i went to love mostly cause i'd eaten a lot of fatty foods all week that i wanted to work off dancing, not cause it seemed like the event of the decade (not that it wasn't a good party). i wanted very much to go to happy kids, but all my friends wanted to roll on the castro, so castro it was (probably the right decision anyway...) i would have liked to see goldie somewhere this week, but crash worship was playing, so i went to that instead (read my cw review if you think i chose unwisely)... i went to wonder cause i hadn't been to a rave in a month and i needed a ravefix, and for once my friends had nothing better to do. i chose that party over a few others that night based entirely on the fact that it had a map point... and still being awake at 7 am sunday morning is all the reason i need to head for the end-up... for the most part i don't worry too much about the dj's or what style they're spinning, i'll dance to almost anything. i'll usually pick the most underground-sounding party thrown on the particular night i decide "it's time to rave", generally by picking one from the sfrave calendar w/no address posted. i have nothing against cool flyers, they're nice to look at, but somehow the parties i wind up at are usually the ones w/ black and white xeroxed flyers, if any. basically, what i'm saying is that the way i choose a party is different every time. i would hate to have some formula for making the decision, sometimes the parties i just wind up at for no good reason turn out to be the best ones... -messiah wannabe ---Vanessa & Miccaela wrote: > > I was thinking about what parties I wanted to go to in the remainder of 97, > and I was trying to rule it down to just a few, since funds are limited. I > shuffled through flyers saying to myself, "this one has a good line up, but > this one looks more intimate, but this one is from a really good promoter, > but all my friends want to go to this one . . ." > > So I wondered . . . how do you guys choose what parties you go to? Do you > go to some because they have slick flyers w/ all those colorful high tech > graphics? Or the ones your friends are going to? The ones that you hear > people talk about on the list? Do you go to parties to see certain DJs? Do > you go to a party because you respect the promoter? Do you look for parties > that appear to have a certain vibe? Do you go to parties because you like > the location? Or the ones that are within your budget? > > Basically, I'm just wondering how you guys decide where to go when there's > several events you can choose from each weekend. I thought it'd be cool to > see some opinions. > > I look for a good lineup, an established promoter, and I hope to hear some > enthusiastic comments on the list. I can't really say I go for the "vibe" > or anything like that because you can sometimes tell what a party's going to > be like, but you never know how it will turn out and in the end it's up to > you to decide whether you feel at home @ a party or not. > > Anybody else? > > xoxo--Miccaela > > > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Nov 28 23:58:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7391 invoked by uid 6000); 28 Nov 1997 23:58:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 7383 invoked from network); 28 Nov 1997 23:58:51 -0000 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.81) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 28 Nov 1997 23:58:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19971128235629.3843.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.80.9.251] by attach1; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:56:29 PST Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:56:29 -0800 (PST) From: Messiah Wannabe Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ To: sfraves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yeah, i appreciate the work that people do to throw the events that i go to - especially if it's cheap or free and i know they aren't making a lot of money offa it. but i do sense that cliqueish thing you're talking about. i even thought of making some laminates that made fun of people wearing laminates (reading "status" "too hip" or "cooler than you" or something like that) but decided that was neccesary negative... so what do i do for the scene? well, seeing someone doing some freaky new dance move always adds to my entertainment, so i usually try to contribute my own... also any cool and unique blinking or glowing thing helps add to the vibe... mostly though i just try to contribute by just being friendly, like talking or sharing a joint with strangers. i especially like to start a random conversation with someone who looks a little outta place, cause i know how invisible a person can feel if they aren't wearing the standard issue jnco / candywear (why won't people stop and say hi if you don't look like everyone else? as much as i like for random people to introduce themselves to me at parties, i sometimes wonder if they would be so friendly if i was wearing a different pair of pants...) oh, and i try to write interesting posts to sfraves... -messiah wannabe ---"lara at vibe.org" wrote: > > who gives a flying fuck? > > honestly, it IS thanksgiving, the day of GIVING, but i have a question to > raise here. > > recently on the list, people have been asking "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE > SCENE," judging one's character due to how much they have contributed to > the scene. why is this? are you automatically a bad person if you haven't > helped throw a party? are you automatically no longer deemed worthy or > credible? > do i have to worry about joining a kru just to be a "good raver"? > > do i have to worry about WHICH kru i join, because i am bad to join the > wrong kru? > > do i have to worry about painting banners, and being at all the right > parties, and handing out free shit, and selling water, just to be deemed a > PROPA raver? > > i think not. > so why bring it up in the first place? > who cares if you're a happy kid or a kru member or just a partykid who > goes to massives or a kid who goes to undergrounds but just pays and > doesn't set it up? > you're no less/more of a righteous person. > > happy thanksgiving. > turkey holocaust? > does this mean i'm a nazi? > coz damn this bird tastes good. > > lara, the carniverous junglist > > DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 00:42:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14097 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 00:42:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 14066 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 00:41:59 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 00:41:59 -0000 Received: from [206.221.201.22] (tribe5.hotwired.com [206.221.201.22]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09529 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:41:56 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ech@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:44:02 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: *j* Subject: Blatently Silly Party Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ** ****sillier presents**** *a very special christmas* * * * * * ** *** * * *with* * * * * *marcellus * a.j.* * * *dj push * justi* * *j*rock * hiz boy elroy* * * *maya 13 * dr. kaleidoscope* * *henrik* friday, december 12 415*263*6750 From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 00:47:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15390 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 00:47:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 15381 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 00:47:47 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 00:47:47 -0000 Received: from [206.221.201.22] (tribe5.hotwired.com [206.221.201.22]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11190 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:47:45 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ech@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:55:18 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: *j* Subject: Help! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk hi y'all! I am trying to send a post to dchung to add to the cadendar, but it's not going through... can anyone verify the address or if anything's wrong? It's to post the sillier bsp for our Christmas party, Dec. 12. *thanks* From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 01:09:14 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18503 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 01:09:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 18494 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from value.net (raygun@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id RAA16147; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:09:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:09:08 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: Doreen cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, hak1@earthlink.net Subject: Re: fuckin assholes In-Reply-To: <01IQJK541WYG9EDT31@SONOMA.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk oppss! i meant to not do...man- I guess I'm one to talk!...I'll just let others do the flaming;)........ -Reagan On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Doreen wrote: > > Do you know how do use the English language?!.... > > > alright, i may not be the smartest person, despite discovering the > phenomenon about the word 'utility', but there are two flaws here. > 1)i think the second 'do' is meant to be 'to' > and > 2)one shouldn't use a punctuation mark followed by a question mark. > > **** > on a comical note, i think it is a personal choice to USE the English > language or not, but i do not believe in abuse. THINK BEFORE YOU USE. > > -doreen > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 01:30:16 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23163 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 01:30:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 23153 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 01:30:11 -0000 Received: from mrin85.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin85.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.195) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 01:30:11 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin85.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA05941 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:29:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:29:44 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971128202943_-837215936@mrin85.mail.aol.com> To: IWuVu637@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: hewwo!!!!!@@@@@@@@@@ Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk what was that all about? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 02:21:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 862 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 02:21:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 853 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 02:21:21 -0000 Received: from f41.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.52) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 02:21:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 10358 invoked by uid 0); 29 Nov 1997 02:20:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19971129022053.10357.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.135.113.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:20:53 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.135.113.7] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: thorfio@hotmail.com, megan@twenty-hz.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR Re: fuckin assholes Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:20:53 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > >At 6:43 PM -0800 11/27/97, Matt Schwartz wrote: >> My take on it is this, although Hak might have been a tad bit >>harsh:P his point is kind of important,...if you're a musician (of any sort,) you shouldn't be going around doggin any styles of music that do not suite to your tastes. It's plainly disrespectful to other musicians who either spin, like to listen to, or even create that kind of music. If you don't like it, dont talk about it. >>-Matt- > >Art is about stirring up emotion - positive OR negative. There is no >positive without negative and the two will always go hand in hand. Artists should be able to handle a little critcism. > >Based on your "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" logic, Hak never should have made his comments, either. I don't have a problem with Hak feeling the way he does, but there are more respectful ways of expressing negative ideas. *grin* *smirk* Usually I dont reply to the kind of messages Hak wrote in the first place because I dont like arguing with threads, but in this, I guess I've had my buttons pushed.... First off---It's one thing to make negative critisism about a type of music. For example "I don't like house too much because it's not dark enough for my tastes." It's another another thing to flat out Dis the music... For example "House music sucks...period" That's not being critical...that's being ignorant. Second off---Take a closer look at my first post, It seems to say, and I quote, " It might have been a bit to harsh :P" So dont insinuate that I'm completely close-minded about the subject...I was simply trying to "Paraphrase," his post into what I think he meant, and that was important to me because he is a freind of mine of who's opinions I often trust. If you have a problem with his remarks...take it up with him, I'm sure he'll be able to explain it to you in a less "Shocking," manner. -Matt- From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 02:23:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1558 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 02:23:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 1546 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 02:23:20 -0000 Received: from mx1.ten.net (HELO ten.net) (204.162.251.51) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 02:23:20 -0000 Received: from rickgci.netwiz.net (NorCal56k168.NetWiz.Net [208.25.55.68]) by ten.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04182 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:23:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347F7CAD.FEAE6EBD@ten.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:23:41 -0800 From: Pengo Reply-To: Pengo@ten.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Dancing is illegal in Afganistan. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk A reminder to be thankful this weekend of your right to dance. See you at Spirit! ---------------------------------- Friday November 28 1:17 PM EST Taliban Rulers Jail 10 Men For Watching A Dance ISLAMABAD, Afghanistan (Reuters) - Afghanistan's Islamic Taliban rulers jailed 10 men Friday for watching someone dance to music. Taliban radio, monitored in Pakistan, said the men had defied repeated warnings that such behavior was un-Islamic. It was thought to be the first time since the Taliban came to power in September last year that the fundamentalist Islamic movement had jailed anyone for defying a ban on music and dancing. The radio did not say whether the dancer was a man or a woman. It said the offense took place in Paghman district, northwest of the capital, Kabul. The Taliban outlawed music and dance in a radical revision of the country's 13 centuries of Muslim belief. Women in areas under Taliban control have to wear full-length veils or burqas, cannot travel or go out alone and are forbidden any formal education. The radio quoted the Department for Promoting Virtue and Preventing Vice as saying the men were given a one month's jail sentence and unspecified punishments. Reuters/Variety ^REUTERS@ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 02:27:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2469 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 02:27:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 2460 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 02:27:20 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys02.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS02) (207.68.152.140) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 02:27:20 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR02 - 207.68.143.138 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:25:31 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.34.184.248 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:25:29 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: , , , Subject: Re: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:32:29 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <093472925021db7UPIMSSMTPUSR02@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I think we should all have SFRaves identification cards. With our pictures and an SFRaves hologram, kind of like driver's licenses. There should be a special seal on the card that only shows up if you hold the card up underneath a black light. If anyone presents a fake SFRaves I.D., they should be escorted out of the party and beaten severely. Imposters must be eradicated. My opinion: Whoever wants a laminate, give it to them. If you go up to a person w/ a laminate and it turns out they aren't on the list, so what? They're probably just as good a person as anyone on this list anyway. If someone wants to know about sfraves, you don't have to tell them much. Just say, "Go to the Hyperreal site, and read up on the mailing lists. What's the Hyperreal site? The web address is www.hyperreal.org. What's a web address? Uh . . . sorry, buddy, you're on your own from there." It'll take a minute or two out of your partying time, and in the process you helped out another human being. Isn't that what PLUR is all about? Of course, maybe you're not into PLUR. Then just tell them to fuck off and that they'd better take off the laminate before you kick their ass. ;-) xoxo--Miccaela -----Original Message----- From: RAVERBUM@aol.com To: thorfio@hotmail.com ; SFRaves@hyperreal.org ; TeKnODiVa@aol.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 1997 9:18 PM Subject: Re: SFR Table was:Re: Actual Loc. of Spirit >is there a list of people who are on the SFR list? Maybe then we would know >who is telling the truth or not From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 02:43:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4268 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 02:43:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 4259 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 02:43:43 -0000 Received: from u2.netgate.net (haze@204.145.147.8) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 02:43:43 -0000 Received: (from haze@localhost) by u2.netgate.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09954 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:47:16 -0800 (PST) From: Haze Message-Id: <199711290247.SAA09954@u2.netgate.net> Subject: Spirit :) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:47:15 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: haze@netgate.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Anyone in the southbay going to Spirit? Drop me a line! Haze - Who will give you cash for your gas (or candy, or anything else ya want :) ) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 02:55:26 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7432 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 02:55:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 7422 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 02:55:23 -0000 Received: from value.net (blkadder@204.188.125.4) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 02:55:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id SAA25448; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:55:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:55:20 -0800 (PST) From: To: Matt Schwartz cc: megan@twenty-hz.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR Re: fuckin assholes In-Reply-To: <19971129022053.10357.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Matt Schwartz wrote: > "Paraphrase," his post into what I think he meant, and that was > important to me because he is a freind of mine of who's opinions I often > trust. If you have a problem with his remarks...take it up with him, I'm > sure he'll be able to explain it to you in a less "Shocking," manner. If being called a "clueless fuk" is his or your idea of him explaining his position in a less "shocking" manner, then mission accomplished. There is a large difference between being "shocking" and being childish and obnoxious. And I would like to ask some of the people that have been on for a while if it is just me or there are a lot more people shouting "Fuck you" at one another, rather than even making an attempt at conversation? I am always up for a good debate now and then, but really, it has been getting pathetic. Where does spewing a stream of obsenities at or about someone or something to 450+ people get you? Is this your means of starting a conversation with others? If so, seek help. Black Adder From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 02:58:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8238 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 02:58:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 8227 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 02:58:02 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 02:58:02 -0000 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.7]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA06533 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:57:00 -0800 Received: from localhost (philboyd@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA27391 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:56:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos E Soto To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Revival (bsp) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On December 20th... Revival with Djs Moshe Joey Pistachio and Skemer on four decks Carlos Huey and David Garcia on four decks $10 Nice SF location Pre-Sale tickets available soon Call (415) 270-8164 for more info. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 03:06:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9508 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 03:06:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 9497 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 03:06:25 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys02.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS02) (207.68.152.140) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 03:06:25 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR02 - 207.68.143.138 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:05:48 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.34.25.79 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:05:46 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: "William Chinn" , "funkateers" Subject: Embrace Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:12:47 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <09b8b4605031db7UPIMSSMTPUSR02@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I just want to say hello to all my fellow Sacramento Ravers . . . If you're not trekking out to the Bay Area to party tonight, there's one here in town. It looks promising, I'm dusting off my glow-in-the-dark beads for it . . . we'll see how it turns out. Here's the 411: Friday, November 28th - Square One & Togetha presents _Embrace_ Info Line: 916.328.3559 2 rooms, 13 DJs, $12, 9pm-6am Main Room: Jus' Tom, Jimmy Zimms & Akira, DJ Scot, Simon Apex, DJ Rockit, Matt G House Room: Bryen, Wyatt, Markus, DJ Sol, DJ Dennis, JP Directions are supposed to be posted @ 8 p.m. Hopefully I'll see you all there. If you want to say hello, look for the black girl w/ the short short curly hair. xoxo--Miccaela From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 03:26:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12413 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 03:26:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 12403 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 03:26:47 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 03:26:47 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id TAA04955; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:26:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id TAA11216; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:26:45 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:26:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: fish1111@pacbell.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: SPEAKING of spam (was Re: Mr. Deep) In-Reply-To: <347DE9AB.75EE@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Nov 1997 fish1111@pacbell.net wrote: > ...and everyone > to have more than they know what to do with. eeks! hugz, Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 03:51:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15826 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 03:51:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 15817 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 03:51:45 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 03:51:45 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-60.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.60]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA16398 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:51:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347F92AD.4F39@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:57:33 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: {:o) NRR Re: fuckin assholes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk blkadder@value.net wrote: > > And I would like to ask some of the people that have been on for a while > if it is just me or there are a lot more people shouting "Fuck you" at one > another, rather than even making an attempt at conversation? > Black Adder Agreed... and here is an example to help sfravers be more creative in the flames followed by something to reveal what all this launguage is REALLy about. sorry to interupt the flame wars. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< =================================== A young punker gets on the crosstown bus. He's got spiked, multi-colored hair that's green, purple and orange. His clothes are a tattered mix of rags, his legs are bare and he's without shoes. His face and ears are riddled with pierced jewelery and his earrings are big bright feathers. He sits down in the only vacant seat, directly across from an old man who just stares at him for about ten miles. Finally the punk gets self conscious and spits at the old man: "What 'er you starin' at you old fart, didn't you ever do anything wild when you were young?!" Without missing a beat the old man replies: "Yeah. When I got out of the Navy I got real drunk and fucked a parrot. I thought maybe you was my son. ===================================== The young fellow was about to be married and was asking his grandfather about sex. He asked how often you should have it. His grandfather told him when your first married, you want it all the time, and maybe do it several times a day. Later on, sex tapers and you have it, maybe once a week or so. Then, as you get older, you have sex maybe once a month. When you get really old, you are lucky to have it once a year-maybe on your anniversary. The young fellow the asked his grandfather, "Well, how about you and grandma now? His grandfather replied, "Oh, we just have oral sex now." "What's oral sex?," the young fellow asked. "Well", grandpa said, "She goes to bed in her bedroom, I go to bed in my bedroom. She yells, "FUCK YOU!," and I holler back "FUCK YOU, TOO!" ===================== From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 05:24:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28550 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 05:24:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 28541 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 05:24:25 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 05:24:25 -0000 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) id <01IQK33J2O1C9EDUP8@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:24:20 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:24:20 -0700 (PDT) From: maruyay@SONOMA.EDU Subject: Joshua Tree To: sfraves discussion list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk How was everyone's thanksgiving? I just wanted to share my experience at this wonderful national park which I spent during my thanksgiving with my boyfriend with you all. It might be a little related to thosee 'sober raving' thing which has been on the list recently. Joshua Tree National Park is located east of L.A. and it's has both Colorado desert and Mojabe (sp?) desert. It is a huge huge Huge park, and presents number of different cacti, especially Joshua Tree Cactus. There are some wild life, including coyotes, bobcats, golden eagle, roadrunner, tarantula, snakes, scorpio, etc. Though it is in two major deserts, all you see is cacti,some oasis, huge boulders sitting in out of nowhere, mountains and hills (some covered with snow), and a few people if you hike around. It gets pretty hot during the day, gets really cold during night, wether can change suddenly. It is a very very beautiful place, but it is also a very emotional place. I was there only with my boyfriend, and during those four-day stay, he was the only person I talked to though I occasionally saw some people. Once we stay out of the camp site, it was basically two of us who could depend on each other. The first day, I was just amazed by the dynamic part of the earth, and all I could say was "wow............" The second day was a bitch. I was getting into the emotional side of the desert too much, felt really lonely, started wondering about myself, what my existence really means in this world. I mean, it may sound funny to some of you, but really, in a huge desert, you find your existence to be really small compared to this dynamic earth. And then, my camera (I'm really into photography) broke, and it trip me out and upset me alot. Whole day I was tripping, and then me and my boyfriend somehow started talking about our negative side of relationship...I guess I was pretty emotional, too. But the third day, we decided to take a rather long hike than we expected, challenged ourselves. It was also challenge to the emotional side of the nature. It can get to be a long story, so to make my point straight, we experienced somewhat like this 'tripping experience' in this total nature. We were basically sober except we had some beer to make ourselves warm (it was really cold during some nights). But it was a total different experience from taking drugs. It was harsh, but made us stronger. This is not a message against drugs, but drugs are not the only way to trip you out. It gives you positive effect as well as negative effect. I was glad that I experienced somewhat different trip at the Joshua Tree, and I still am. Just persoanl opinions, some stuff I've taken made me really emotional person. In order to make myself happy, I sometimes had to depend on those stuff. but my happiness usually goes away in about 3-8 hours. The experience atthe Joshua Tress, thou, has been remaining in my heart, in my mind. It taught me a lot of lessons, and I learned that I have more control over myself than I thought. Just wanted to share. yuko From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 06:33:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5083 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 06:33:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 5073 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 06:33:42 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 06:33:42 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-32-175.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.175]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id WAA21157 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:33:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347FB889.6C90@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:39:05 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Joshua Tree References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk maruyay@SONOMA.EDU wrote: In order to make myself happy, I sometimes had to > depend on those stuff. but my happiness usually goes away in about 3-8 > hours. The experience atthe Joshua Tress, thou, has been remaining in my > heart, in my mind. It taught me a lot of lessons, and I learned that I > have more control over myself than I thought. > > Just wanted to share. > > yuko and i am glad you did...that was one of the best posts to this list ive seen for a while. I know a lot has been said about what some dont like on this list so just to balance that i would like to point out something i do like which is posts like this of peoples experiences and stories. I really hope to create environments/raves up in shasta after i move up there that will allow people to have these kind of experiences. I want to travel to sacred spots and open people to these mind altering experiences. And set up weeklong raves in the mountains where people can come, rejuvinate and celebrate life. Just imagine for a moment if you will what that would be like. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish the seer of a flower is also a flower. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 07:55:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17949 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 07:54:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 17940 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 07:54:55 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 07:54:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19971129074900.26108.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [153.35.239.109] by web1; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:49:00 PST Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:49:00 -0800 (PST) From: pj fuzzy Subject: Re: Why do you go to parties? To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Since the very first party I ever went, some 4 years ago, there has always been this feeling of entering something magical, and while this sense of discovery and adventure is not as great as 4 years ago- there is still that excitement of exploration that one just doesn't have in your average barroom or rock show at a club. pjf ---Break Dancer wrote: > > I go for the variety of music.... if there is none.. i'll still go and > have fun... > i go to parties to dance and feel the bass of the speakers.... > my 2$ here in so-cali :) > peace > Philip > disordr> > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? 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SO!! HEre's the first Spirit REVUE. First off.. It's amazing how we can all bitch and yell at each other all week, and then come together on the weekend with such a good SFR vibe. I saw SOOO many of you there, it almost felt like an SFR gathering. I got there with Teresa around 9:30.. and the place was Empty. It stayed pretty small the whole night. I didn't think that would be so great at HomeBase, because I expect a party there to be huge. However, it was perfect... and I could actually find everyone. It's what I can only describe as being a *massive underground*. And so many of the underground kids were there, too =) the Vibe was so good. I mean like SUPER Phat bouncing off the walls and coming back at you good. I even broke all tha little stereotypes we've been complaining about. I introduced four new people to what SFR was, I met new people and I raved sober =) Ok... let's see... I haven't really DANCED at a party in a while for various reasons.. but I couldn't stop myself from moving. YAH!! And we had a whole bunch of us up by the tables in front Macadio and Micron. Despite technical problems they had us all going!! Moshe spun Jungle =) I wasn't expecting to hear any good jungle, but I did!! Oh! hehehe.. and I even had my mom visit for a little while before I left. She might have been too tired to care, but she was getting great vibes and introductions. Thanx you guys! Now maybe she'll extend my curfew?? It was such a good party with nothing to compare it to. Maybe there's something to these smaller feel good parties after all?? ALrite!! Hello and hugs to everyone I met and everyone I saw.. you're all so wonderful. and I hope everyone had a killer time. hugs n'stuff, 'trice the tekno diva Scary looking gangsta type person running(SKIPPING?!?!) down the hall, "Man, I've never been to a rave before but this is FUCKING FUN!!!!" good vibe =) "Get fresh-drink naked" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 18:54:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1251 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 18:54:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 1242 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 18:54:38 -0000 Received: from mail1.sirius.com (205.134.253.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 18:54:38 -0000 Received: from pacbell (ppp-asfm03--123.sirius.net [205.134.235.123]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id KAA20178; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:54:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34806533.3C54@sirius.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:55:47 -0800 From: "boy@Space Cowgirls" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vanessa & Miccaela CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ References: <02a700608021cb7UPIMSSMTPUSR02@email.msn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Vanessa & Miccaela wrote: A really good way to help the scene is paying full admission into every show you can. Also the money from advance ticket sales usually goes towards the upfront costs of the party. Buy yourself a ticket and a couple for friends. > But really, I think it would be a good thing if a lot of us did more than > party & leave. We're not obligated to, and many of us don't have time, but > becoming more involved could lead to better parties. {{{{A differant breed of people work behind the scenes}}}}. Often the dreamers that put on these shows cannot flesh out thier vision of how the party should come off because they dont have enough hands helping them. Be proud of your "SCENE" donate a couple hours a week making SF(or Sac.) the best scene in the world. What is it you do best? We have all the components neccasary for this being the best place to party in the world. We dont need to do it so that our friends in "Hoboken" call us up and say "Man, SF is gaining a rep for being the kickin'est(hobokenslang) spot..." Wegotta make this the best spot to party cause WE party here. It's a self esteem issue. > Although the scene is a bit clique-ish . . . greet a new face-spend time with them. Take that new face and go meet someone in that clique of people. The three of you can bust a clique. > many times it seems to me that > you have to know people who know people to "do something for the scene." > That's a whole lot of bullshit to me, and I'd rather be just a partygoer One way to get to know these people is to help them when they look overworked another is to find the lowliest volunteer-shake thier grimy little hands-hug them-tell them "what a wonderful job you did". From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 19:30:27 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5341 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 19:30:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 5333 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 19:30:21 -0000 Received: from mrin54.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin54.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.164) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 19:30:21 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin54.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA20583 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:29:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:29:54 -0500 (EST) From: BeccaPlntE@aol.com Message-ID: <971129142954_1745275280@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ********TRIBAL FUNK TONIGHT******** Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I hope everybody is going out to TRIBAL FUNK tonight. I think this party is going to actually be fun, unlike all the other recent so- called raves. DAN and DONALD GLAUDE on 4!!!!! Hope to see you all there and smiling!!!! PEACE, <3, and lots of :) BECCA From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 22:22:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2354 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 22:22:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 2346 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 22:22:04 -0000 Received: from x2.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.21) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 22:22:04 -0000 Received: (from foolish_fish1@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RZB02749; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:21:24 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: be here now (bsp) Message-ID: <19971129.142647.8359.0.foolish_fish1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-26 From: foolish_fish1@juno.com Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:21:24 EST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk heres your chance to come throw that rotten tomato at the foolish fish...or hug me which ever you prefer. I will be working at the door, so if you come please say hello. Saturday, November 29th - Space Children presents the third annual Be Here Now exclusive live performance by Eat Static (UK), U.S. debut live performance by drum n' bass legend A Guy Called Gerald (UK), U.S. debut live performance by The Sugar Experiment Station (Scotland, aka Neil Landstrumm & Tobias Schmidt), Sativae Records founder Dave Tarrida (Scotland), Barry Weaver, Cesar, Graeme, Rock n' the House with DJ Preston, Galen, Planet Dog records founder Michael Dog (UK). limited $20 presale tix available soon. capacity limited to only 2000 Space Children, so pick up an advance ticket to secure your place. Maritime Hall, 450 Harrison St, SF. 415.675.4700 510.461.SPACE Please be forewarned that the doors close and are locked at 2 am...the party continues but Absolutely NO ONE will be admitted after 2am...so get there early. This is a decision made by the building managment and they are militant about it. ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 22:32:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4642 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 22:32:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 4634 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 22:32:34 -0000 Received: from mrin42.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin42.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.152) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 22:32:34 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin42.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA01370 for SFRaves@hyperreal.org; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) From: Karma2001@aol.com Message-ID: <971129173206_1306657172@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: TeKnODiVa@aol.com, SFRaves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: I WeNt To SPiRiT =) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Good morning everyone.....oh wait its 2:30pm....I'm glad that the TeknoDiva had fun at spirit....I met her mom who was carrying around the elmo doll.....so cute....but I'm just going to have to be honest about the party my perspective......I didn't like it. I was sober but I don't think that had much to do with it. I didn't have a bad time I just didn't have any gr8 times there. I have decided to never go to a massive ever again. Too many people there. I enjoy smaller more intamate parties where I either know everyone....or recognize everyone....and then there are those random people that I meet. At smaller parties there are vibes going on that I can take in....at spirit I honestly didn't see a huge vibe going on. It was scattered. I got dawged by a lot of beeeotches for no apparent reason.....my shoes got stepped on a lot....and there were too many damn people saying every drug in the world 50 times in my face. I leeeft early and the music was ok. I missed all the people that I wanted to see because Rebecca had to work until 11:30 so I didn't get there until 12:30.....sorry if this was a negative letter but thats just how I feel. I left in a bad mood not satisfied.....the people that I did see and meet were cute and fun people with a good vibe....and the chill room was pretty dope....although I think they should have had some music in there....and I did play pac-man chilling on a couch leaning up agaist a really annoying security guard that wouldnt move. And also the effects and the decorations were really cool too. I'm sorry if this was a negative thought on Spirit but I think they oughta throw a smaller party and give out cheap flyers....I would go to that.....ok Im talking a lot.....bye <3 *MushyB! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 22:34:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5376 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 22:34:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 5368 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 22:34:36 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys01.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS01) (207.68.152.139) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 22:34:36 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR01 - 207.68.143.137 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:33:51 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.35.237.150 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:33:48 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: "funkateers" Subject: Whistles @ Parties Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:40:41 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <0269e4833221db7UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Now I'm not some sort of rave fascist that gets pissed off when someone gets hyped up and starts blowing a whistle. I have friends who hate whistles at parties, yet I believe they can be a lot of fun and really contribute to the vibe, and they are a great way to show the dj you are appreciative besides standing in 6 inches in front of his/her turntables bobbing your head all night (not that I haven't done my fair share of dj-worshipping though). BUT . . . OFFBEAT whistleblowing has got to go. A couple well-intentioned newbie girls got ahold of some whistles at a party I was at last night (_Embrace_) and were toot-tooting away, with absolutely no sense of rhythm at all. People were leaving cherished spots by the speakers to get away from this whistling, it was that bad. I wanted to take the poor girls aside and help them out a little bit, help them keep it on the beat, but I didn't know how I could do this w/o appearing rude. After a couple hours, I could tune it out, but there were still a few times that it would get so rhythmless that other partiers & I would stop dancing and look around like, "What the fuck?" The moral: Don't use the whistle unless you are certain you know how to use it, for the sake of other partygoers. Respect is the key, you want to add to the vibe, not take away from it by causing a distraction from the music. I guess the same could go for dancing. Dance however the hell you want, but make sure you don't hurt anyone in the process, or take up a huge amount of space when there's not a lot of room. I've seen people who dance very wildly (which is definitely not a bad thing, up to a point), with their legs & arms flying, and end up kicking or slugging other partygoers in their reverie. I've also seen dancers who dance more "traditionally," but are moving around in a way that they need 10 square feet of dance floor while everyone else is forced to dance about 4 inches away from their neighbor. Again, respect is the key . . . sometimes there's just not enough space for you to do whatever you want. xoxo--Miccaela From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 22:53:24 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8551 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 22:53:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 8543 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 22:53:22 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys01.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS01) (207.68.152.139) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 22:53:22 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR01 - 207.68.143.137 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:52:54 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.35.237.150 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:52:50 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: "boy@Space Cowgirls" Cc: Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:59:44 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <02a795052221db7UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk First I want to say that I was the original poster in the message to which I am responding to (the message is below). Now, I figure if promoters really want some help w/ their events, they could have some type of sign-up sheets @ parties that people could indicate whether they'd like to become a participating member of the Blah-Blah family. Perhaps there could be some type of newsletter telling the people who signed up about upcoming events, and ways to get in touch w/ the promoter if they'd like to help out. I know this is not feasible for all promoters, but I think that if they really want our help they have to make some type of effort. I'm not going to go up to some guy in a laminate with "yeah, I'm on the guest list" written all over him and start chattering about how much I'd like to sweep up water bottles and cigarette butts (btw, how come trash cans are so hard to find at a lot of parties?). If they really want some assistance or input, they need to take the first step. However, I don't think that many promoters will do that. Mainly because a lot of them are used to doing things their way with their people and they don't want a lot of folx they hardly know up in the mix. I guess that's cool though, too many cooks spoil the soup, or something like that. Whatever. xoxo--Miccaela -----Original Message----- From: boy@Space Cowgirls To: Vanessa & Miccaela Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Saturday, November 29, 1997 10:54 AM Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ >Vanessa & Miccaela wrote: > >A really good way to help the scene is paying full admission into every show you can. >Also the money from advance ticket sales usually goes towards the upfront costs of the >party. Buy yourself a ticket and a couple for friends. > > >> But really, I think it would be a good thing if a lot of us did more than >> party & leave. We're not obligated to, and many of us don't have time, but >> becoming more involved could lead to better parties. > >{{{{A differant breed of people work behind the scenes}}}}. > Often the dreamers that put on these shows cannot flesh out thier vision of how the >party should come off because they dont have enough hands helping them. Be proud of >your "SCENE" donate a couple hours a week making SF(or Sac.) the best scene in the >world. What is it you do best? We have all the components neccasary for this being the >best place to party in the world. We dont need to do it so that our friends in >"Hoboken" call us up and say "Man, SF is gaining a rep for being the >kickin'est(hobokenslang) spot..." >Wegotta make this the best spot to party cause WE party here. It's a self esteem issue. > > >> Although the scene is a bit clique-ish . . . > >greet a new face-spend time with them. Take that new face and go meet someone in that >clique of people. The three of you can bust a clique. > >> many times it seems to me that >> you have to know people who know people to "do something for the scene." >> That's a whole lot of bullshit to me, and I'd rather be just a partygoer > >One way to get to know these people is to help them when they look overworked another >is to find the lowliest volunteer-shake thier grimy little hands-hug them-tell them >"what a wonderful job you did". From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 23:25:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15825 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 23:25:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 15816 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 23:25:12 -0000 Received: from mail3.sirius.com (205.134.253.133) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 23:25:12 -0000 Received: from [205.134.235.125] (ppp-asfm03--125.sirius.net [205.134.235.125]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id PAA01522 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:25:04 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: emdash@mail.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:39:51 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: emdash@sirius.com (e.menon) Subject: nrr: Moe's Kitchen Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk has anyone ever heard of these guys? (if you have, reply to me personally with comments please!) cheers - e. :) > >Moe's Kitchen's ready to cook: > > Sunday 11/30 > 10:30PM-12:45AM > Leopard Lounge > at Blues, 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore > San Francisco > $4 > >The Leopard Lounge is the weekly acid-jazz showcase. Blues is a cozy bar >with comfortable booths, provacative colored lights, and a tasteful Elvis >shrine. Moe's Kitchen will be an 8-piece band that night, our second >show with new keyboardist, Bob Crawford. The music will be all originals >(OK, maybe we'll do "Lickin' Stick" by James Brown) from Moe's repetoire >of Jazz/Funk/Pop explorations. As always, bring your dancing shoes. > >Other upcoming shows: > Sunday 12/14 > 10:00PM-12:30AM > Blake's > 2367 Telegraph @ Durant > Berkeley > $4 > > Tuesday 12/30 > 10:30PM-1:00AM > Elbo Room > 647 Valencia @ 18th > San Francisco > $4 > >Site news: > Pictures from our Halloween show at Blake's are up. Very scary! > http://www.moeskitchen.com > >Happy Thanksgiving, >-Moe > > >"These guys have brought together some of the funkiest grooves found in >the best of James Brown with the harmonic sophistication of Miles Davis >and Thelonius Monk. Combine that with hip vocals and well crafted songs >reminiscent of Steely Dan and you've got Moe's Kitchen, a very cool >concept. Dig it." > - Raz Kennedy, vocal coach to Counting Crows, Narada Michael Walden > >"'Burning Underwater' is a lush, carefully crafted piece of melodic funk. > The keyboards and horns are melodic, the lyrics are sly, and the grooves >are tighter than a duck's derriere." > - Thomas Dolby > > >____________________________________________________ >for more on craigs-list browse http://www.cnewmark.com [events posting 1333] > ............................................................................. "I dont think 'This is my party' is applicable anymore. The party's kind of over. Now it's more like, 'This is my life,' 'This is my tribe.'" - Nan Goldin "That so few now dare to be eccentric marks the cheif danger of the time." - John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Nov 29 23:45:52 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21702 invoked by uid 6000); 29 Nov 1997 23:45:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 21694 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 23:45:50 -0000 Received: from x-msmail.xingtech.com (HELO msmail.xingtech.com) (204.62.160.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 23:45:50 -0000 Received: by MSMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:49:31 -0800 Message-ID: <149ADA690565D111B2380060972DC79536CC@MSMAIL> From: Geoff Herbst To: "'BeccaPlntE@aol.com'" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: ********TRIBAL FUNK TONIGHT******** Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:49:30 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Is there going to be a sfraves meeting spot? Lets get one going (I know its last minute and all) Peace! gEoff ;) -----Original Message----- From: BeccaPlntE@aol.com [SMTP:BeccaPlntE@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 1997 11:30 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ********TRIBAL FUNK TONIGHT******** I hope everybody is going out to TRIBAL FUNK tonight. I think this party is going to actually be fun, unlike all the other recent so- called raves. DAN and DONALD GLAUDE on 4!!!!! Hope to see you all there and smiling!!!! PEACE, <3, and lots of :) BECCA From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 00:10:40 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25421 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 00:10:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 25410 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 00:10:35 -0000 Received: from mrin79.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin79.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.189) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 00:10:35 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA22758; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:10:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:10:08 -0500 (EST) From: MusicBoy17@aol.com Message-ID: <971129191008_-893099036@mrin79> To: vbaird@email.msn.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Whistles @ Parties Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I'm new... nuff of that, on to the parties.... Really funny thing is that I woke up this morning (afternoon really) thinking about whistles at raves. Started off with how annoying whistles were, then I though it was kinda cool when people toot on whistles for a minute and then stop. It shows that people ar really hyped up and are appreciating the music. Then I started thinking about the people who keep doing it all night, I guess that kind of sucks, but can you really hear it next to the speakers? So, I solved that problem: you just move. Then I read this e-mail.. :) I totally agree, those girls need help.... off beat and next to the speakers..... although somehow I doubt the people that do that at a parties would actually be reading this. byebye Sammy boy From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 01:42:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9271 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 01:42:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 9169 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 01:42:40 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 01:42:40 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.161 (XYP5-PORT11.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQL9MURACW9EDUM6@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:42:32 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:54:48 -0800 From: Doreen Subject: spirit review-SHORT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <329F93E8.7829@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk thank you so much lara for spending such a kick ass weekend with me! i had one of the best thanksgivings of my life... i went to the Spirit of Giving and wasn't disappointed! way to go vlad! i was a little concerned when we first showed up because there really didn't seem to be that many people there, despite all the SFRavers that were there ;) and it was SO cool to finally meet some of you...Boomerang, Leslie, Deepfog..and it was always cool to see the faces that i already know...you all know who you are ;) god, you are all beautiful people!!! thank you all for contributing to my bombass thanksgiving. -doreen From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 03:08:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21070 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 03:08:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 21062 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 03:08:08 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys01.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS01) (207.68.152.139) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 03:08:08 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR01 - 207.68.143.137 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:28:14 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.35.237.150 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:28:10 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: "funkateers" Subject: First Happy Hardcore Set! Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:35:04 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <02cb11028231db7UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay, okay, last post of today, I promise! Last night I went to _Embrace_, a Sacramento party. Now I won't get into some long drawn out review because I know most of your are from the Bay and don't care about Sac parties. But I just had to tell you guys how much of an incredibly good time I had. The friends I came with are big fans of Simon Apex, who some of you may have heard of. I personally though the guy was okay at best. But he was spinning @ 1:30, so when that time came around I told my friends we'd better go into the next room if they wanted to hear him. So we go into the "main room," where the dj transition is taking place. Simon puts on a record . . . I'm expecting breakbeat. But then the beat starts, and it's way too fast and sounds funny . . . it's really cheerful. What the hell is he playing? Suddenly I realize: he's playing happy hardcore!!! So began one of the greatest set I've ever heard in my life--mostly because it was my first time hearing happy hardcore @ a party. But I know I wasn't the only one who loved it. You should have seen it . . . all kinds of people, of all kinds of races wearing all kinds of clothing, jumping, waving their arms in the air, dancing, hugging each other, bobbing their heads, screaming, singing along, and SMILING so hard you thought their faces were going to break. People were _absolutely loving_ it. I've never felt a vibe so intensely happy @ any party, big or small. You just don't get that kind of feeling from jungle, house, trance, or whatever else (not downing these types of music, but they do create different vibes). Only happy hardcore can do that. I thought, "No, people can't like this stuff that much . . . they're probably just pEaking or something." But how come in the house room next door, where I'm sure there were plenty other pEakers, people weren't beaming like that? Or jumping up and down while tightly locked into a group hug? Or all clapping along with the beat and singing along with the music? Some people were just pumping their arms in the air and bobbing their heads, like "I don't know how to dance to this but I love it!" During the set Simon played a HH remix of No Doubt's "Don't Speak." I remember everyone did a double take, like, "What the hell is this?" I thought it was strange, and I expected a lot of people to leave, being that the song is just a little bit commercial. But everyone seemed to say, "Well, it sounds good," and a few people started singing along. I wouldn't call it the high point of the set (some great songs were played), but I think it shows the frame of mind we were all in. We didn't care about how commercial it was, or how to dance to it, or anything like that . . . we were just having a blast! Happy Hardcore in Sacramento!!! Never would have guessed. Hopefully this genre will become more popular in CA, besides in L.A where I hear it's pretty popular. Much, much respect for Simon Apex for treating us to all to a wonderful experience. Anyone know the next time he'll be around, in the bay or in Sac? xoxo--Miccaela From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 03:08:31 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21592 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 03:08:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 21583 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 03:08:29 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys01.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS01) (207.68.152.139) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 03:08:29 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR01 - 207.68.143.137 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:07:45 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.35.237.231 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:07:44 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: "funkateers" Subject: Dealers @ Parties Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:14:41 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <040784407031eb7UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk The last letter I posted I promised would be my last letter for the day. As you can see, I lied. I just got off the phone w/ a very close friend of mine, and he told me about how he sold a great amount of illegal substances @ Smarties last night. The first thing that came out of my mouth was, "I can't believe that you are one of _those_ people!" We had an interesting discussion afterwards, talking about the relationship between drugs & parties. His argument is that drugs should be available at parties because some people want to do them @ parties, and by having dealers there it shows that drug use is accepted and no one has to feel ashamed of using them. He also said that when he sells he doesn't assault people with "Need any blahblah? I got some yadayada," but lets people come up to him, so he's not bothering anyone. Also, if drug use wasn't condoned at parties, it would have a detrimental effect on the vibe. Basically, people are going to do it anyway, so why not have it right there for them? I don't like dealers @ parties. To me, they add a shady aspect that takes away from the vibe. I don't really have a problem w/ people using, but I think they should buy beforehand if they want it that much. You should be buying from a trusted source, not some guy/girl @ a party you can hardly see or hear & who can disappear into the crowd whenever he/she likes. That's a good way to get some bad stuff (bad as in tainted, poor quality, or life-threatening). Besides, I know that I could get a lot more out of a party if I knew that the people around me were having such a good time because they were just cutting loose & having fun, rather than they just happened to get ahold of some good shit that evening. Comments? Opinions? xoxo--Miccaela From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 03:28:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24541 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 03:28:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 24533 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 03:28:41 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 03:28:41 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-23.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.23]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09121; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:28:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711300328.TAA09121@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: "Vanessa & Miccaela" , "funkateers" Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:28:26 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Question, What about ME at the parties. I would like to hear your opinions on that. Thanks. Jeff From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 03:45:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26699 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 03:45:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 26691 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 03:45:13 -0000 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (unclenoa@192.100.81.103) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 03:45:13 -0000 Received: (from unclenoa@localhost) by netcom3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id TAA18318; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:45:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:45:11 -0800 (PST) From: Noah Apodaca Subject: re: First Happy Hardcore Dealers at Parties To: "Ravers 'Round the Bay" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk 1) Hardcore continues to spread northward. :/ I can take hardcore in moderation, but when its as widespread as it is down here in SoCal, it begins to feel a bit out of control... for some reason down here hardcore in general (happy and otherwise) appeals to the youngest of the young in terms of ravers. Not really my scene, and the music itself just drives me out of my gourd after about fifteen minutes :D 2) I have a friend here in SoCal who goes to parties, on occasion, in a big coat loaded with grapes, cookies and other little goodies. She walks up to people in the dark and mutters to them like a dealer: "cookies... cookies... grapes..." :D It's really funny to watch people's reactions. Especially when the wind up saying, "Huh? Okay" and they get a grape or something. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 04:24:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 411 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 04:24:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 403 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 04:24:01 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 04:24:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA19765; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:22:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:21:59 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: Mr nStuff cc: Vanessa & Miccaela , funkateers Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties In-Reply-To: <199711300328.TAA09121@mom.hooked.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i think Jeff @ parties would be cool. :)~ On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Mr nStuff wrote: > Question, > > What about ME at the parties. I would like to hear your opinions on that. > > Thanks. > Jeff > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 04:28:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1122 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 04:27:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 1114 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 04:27:55 -0000 Received: from announce.com (HELO linux.announce.com) (lara@204.117.94.2) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 04:27:55 -0000 Received: from localhost (lara@localhost) by linux.announce.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA19825 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:25:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:25:57 -0500 (EST) From: "lara at vibe.org" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: SPIRIT Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk how long has it been that we have a smaller massive like this? Feel Good Entertainment, Vlad, you just KNOW WHAT'S UP boy! lovely is all i have to say about this evening. highlights include: boomerang what the hell were you doing with that bullhorn? (only you! HAHA you ROCK!) macadio & micron vertigo the chill room INSIDE... the vibe. doreen, love of my life and participator in the best thanksgiving yet the EBF after-party :)~ the decorations smiles everywhere. i'd go into detail but my bed is calling me and i've been driving everywhere all weekend. xo lara p.s. it was so damn good to see all you SFR's out there. REALLY good. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 05:03:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5483 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 05:03:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 5475 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 05:03:39 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 05:03:39 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.237 (XYP3-PORT7.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQLGO2HR0W9EDUM6@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:03:34 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 21:15:50 -0800 From: Doreen Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties To: Mr nStuff Cc: Vanessa & Miccaela , funkateers Message-id: <329FC306.1CC@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199711300328.TAA09121@mom.hooked.net> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk jeff- i would like to see you at a party ;) -doreen From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 06:27:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14438 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 06:27:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 14430 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 06:27:11 -0000 Received: from mail.crl.com (165.113.1.22) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 06:27:11 -0000 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id WAA22808; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:27:03 -0800 (PST) env-from (storpis@crl.com) Received: by crl.crl.com id AA08913 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:22:34 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199711300622.AA08913@crl.crl.com> Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties To: vbaird@email.msn.com (Vanessa & Miccaela) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:22:34 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <040784407031eb7UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com> from "Vanessa & Miccaela" at Nov 29, 97 07:14:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > I don't like dealers @ parties. To me, they add a shady aspect that takes > away from the vibe. I don't really have a problem w/ people using, but I > think they should buy beforehand if they want it that much. You should be > buying from a trusted source, not some guy/girl @ a party you can hardly see Well if you didn't realize your friend was a dealer then he couldn't have been that shady. Also, what about people who do know him and make their buy at the party? They are buying from a trusted source. Who says all his buyers at the parties are new? From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 07:18:42 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18021 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 07:18:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 18012 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 07:18:37 -0000 Received: from imo02.mx.aol.com (HELO imo02.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.104) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 07:18:37 -0000 From: Tekno313 Message-ID: <76209558.3481130b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:17:29 EST To: hak1@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: fuckin assholes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk check it kidz. solar spins jungle..... oh two years ago he hated it. fuck off you fucking twat. go back to your little fucking house shite...... if your down thats kewl, but to fucking diss it in my face dayz ago, and now spin it is fuking shite in my book. don;t ever come to solid grooves you fool, never support the schemers........ Whoa. I have no clue who you are, but let me say this: you are completely clueless, don't talk shit about people you have no clue about, don't talk shit you can't back up, and watch yourself when you post to this list. You read a flyer or a listing of a party and without knowing for sure, launch into this dis-fest on Solar. Of course, I sincerely doubt you'd have the guts to say it to his face(he works at Primal, 510 548 8511) so you punk out and post this BS to SFR. Furthermore, I'm always amused at people like you. Have you always liked Jungle? Since you were a toddler, huh? Why, I bet you've been listening to Drum n Bass since like, 1979, right? Get off of your own jock, son. Have you never changed your mind about something in your life? It's people like you who bitch and moan about how neglected drum and bass is, then turn around and get pissed when people other than yourself shows any appreciation of it. By then it's 'gone commercial' and it's time to move on to something else. 'Speed Garage' perhaps? You think J. Majik, Roni Size or 4 Hero gives a hot fuck in China if Solar said he hated Jungle two years ago if Solar owns one of their records today? It's people like you who hinder the progression and exposure of an artform because you're so apt to hoard the artform as yours, and no one else's. Those people are the true 'schemers.' As far as I'm concerned, Solar deserves props for gaining a respect for the music, and at the same time, it seems as though respect is what you lack. Out.... --Monty From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 07:42:15 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21126 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 07:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 21118 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 07:42:13 -0000 Received: from imo02.mx.aol.com (HELO imo02.mail.aol.com) (198.81.11.104) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 07:42:13 -0000 From: Tekno313 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:41:35 EST To: thorfio@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: NRR Re: fuckin assholes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-28 00:18:50 EST, you write: << If you don't like it, dont talk about it. >> ...And thus sums up one of what I think is one of the weakest aspects of the "rave scene." With all due respect, that statement is BS. We need more active and constructive criticism in order to progress. People are so afraid to say something is wack, when everyone knows it is, because they dont want to be viewed as being negative. But if we dont criticize, we wont be able to self- regulate the wack shit out there. That's why there are so many wack records lurking for me when I go record shopping. In Hip-Hop, when someone comes wack, there may be 10 records that come out to follow that will dis that record. That has a unique effect on the entire genre. I just hope we can in this music community come to a semblance of that method. --Monty From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 08:10:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25654 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 08:10:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 25644 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 08:10:17 -0000 Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.23) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 08:10:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19971130081003.9709.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.179.130.232] by send1b; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:10:03 PST Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: AnthonE Reply-To: rave@vibe.org Subject: Re: IRC???? To: maya katz , sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk depending on what Operating System you are running you'll have to get the right client. for windows 3.11 and Windows 95 clients you can get a copy of mIRC from their main website. http://www.mirc.co.uk Get 16 bit if you are running windows 3.11 or 32 bit if you are running windows 95 Connect to one of the following IRC servers irc.primenet.com irc.cris.com irc.phoenix.net irc.prison.net irc.netcom.com irc.ais.net irc.pacbell.net then join #sfraves =] mIRC comes with a help file. It's really simple. ---maya katz wrote: > > hey kiddos > i was wondering if anyone could send me a link on how to get IRC? or > maybe explain what it is...? internet relay chat, i know- but how is > that different than ICQ? or the IMer from aol? > oh yeah- i have aol now too, look for me SN: Yareachx8 > lovenhugs to you all! > -maya > > >lara, get on irc ya hellraisr!! > >woo hoo > >-dor > > > > > > > == -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Anthony Eufemio Telephone: E-Mail: (408) 390-4115 tymie@yahoo.com AOL Instant Message rave@vibe.org tymat408 ICQ: Pager: 5187063 (408) 951-6619 DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 08:38:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29109 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 08:38:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 29101 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 08:38:32 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 08:38:32 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-36.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.36]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25368 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:38:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711300838.AAA25368@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: Subject: (NRR) Re: fnck!ng inconsiderate type A personality! Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:34:07 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Yea,, What Tekno313 said! Damnit! See what trying to be cool got you? Don't beleive the hype. Hype is stupid. Jeez. Out... There is the possibility that Solar DID infact only start spinning Jungle because he feels it's going to get more popular, and he wanted a head start on the band wagon. But who knows. I don't know. Never even seen the guy. If I catch him in my peripheral vision someday, I will probably be able to write a book about the guy. Unsufficient data does not compute (Hi Deepfrog!) But I DO know that, I hardly let it get to me when someone turns a new leaf like that hacker dood lets it get to him. And if the guy came up to me two years ago and told me Jungle sucks. I would love to go up to the guy in Primal and tease him about now spinning it. I wouldn't come online and try to be cool by talking all tuff infront of everyone. I guess you spoiled that one though. I don't know though (flame extinguisher) I mean, you can't argue with a guy that don't know. Slate... Jeff Music only sucks when: ------------------------------------ 1) I feel uncomfertable dancing to it. 2) when it is more hype than it is art. 3) when the artist thinks he's cool. All that hip-hop-hooray-I-got-bitches-and-lots-of-money shit is going out of stile. ---------- : From: Tekno313 : To: hak1@earthlink.net; sfraves@hyperreal.org : Subject: Re: fuckin assholes : Date: Saturday, November 29, 1997 11:17 PM : : Whoa. I have no clue who you are, but let me say this: you are completely : clueless, don't talk shit about people you have no clue about, don't talk shit : you can't back up, and watch yourself when you post to this list. You read a : flyer or a listing of a party and without knowing for sure, launch into this : dis-fest on Solar. Of course, I sincerely doubt you'd have the guts to say it : to his face(he works at Primal, 510 548 8511) so you punk out and post this BS : to SFR. : From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 09:51:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16184 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 09:51:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 16176 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 09:51:32 -0000 Received: from f69.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.155) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 09:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 260 invoked by uid 0); 30 Nov 1997 09:51:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19971130095104.259.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.135.113.8 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:51:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.135.113.8] From: "Matt Schwartz" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Last post Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:51:04 PST Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hrmmm, I dont really know how to say this well, but oh well. I guess I just can't handle reading posts which jump on people when they have made a mistake. I'm not really a huge fan of internet communication anyway, to many intentions get lost. I suppose I could just delete all of the threads like I usually do, but I have a feeling this is for the best anyway. Who knows, I might be back later (as some of you have done already,) but I might not. Those of you who know I love you, don't take offense :P, if you need to get in touch with me, I'm still at thorfio@hotmail.com, please keep in touch! See yas all at the next event :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 10:54:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24046 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 10:54:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 24038 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 10:54:36 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 10:54:36 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-49.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.49]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA22639 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:54:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711301054.CAA22639@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: Subject: Re: Last post Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:53:36 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Check you out, all running off while everyone's sleeping. I don't know though. People sometimes build honerable charactoristics when pushed around and jumped on everytime they do something stupid, or even life threatening. Atleast on here he don't get any broozes.. I don't know though.. Ok. Ease up on the guy alittle Tekno313, you should have known someone with a nick like hak1.. Hmmmm. Lost the rest of that thought. I kind of feel at peace with my self though. Goodmorning. Jeff hak1, that was a joke. Give it a couple years, you'll get it. =]:... Complimentary smiley /w slobber, for world peace. ---------- : From: Matt Schwartz : To: sfraves@hyperreal.org : Subject: Last post : Date: Sunday, November 30, 1997 1:51 AM : : Hrmmm, : : I dont really know how to say this well, but oh well. I guess I just : can't handle reading posts which jump on people when they have made a : mistake. I'm not really a huge fan of internet communication anyway, to : many intentions get lost. I suppose I could just delete all of the : threads like I usually do, but I have a feeling this is for the best : anyway. Who knows, I might be back later (as some of you have done : already,) but I might not. Those of you who know I love you, don't take : offense :P, if you need to get in touch with me, I'm still at : thorfio@hotmail.com, please keep in touch! : : See yas all at the next event :) : From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 11:01:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24801 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 11:01:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 24793 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 11:00:59 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys01.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS01) (207.68.152.139) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 11:00:58 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR01 - 207.68.143.137 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 03:00:12 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.35.237.178 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 03:00:10 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: "Sharif Torpis" Cc: Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 03:06:49 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <05c2e1000111eb7UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk 1. I knew my friend dealt from time to time, but I never did it at parties until _Smarties_. He doesn't even really go to raves that often, although now he's getting into it. And he is shady, but luckily has qualities that override that--once you get to know him. 2. He wasn't selling to people he knew. I know this because he lives in Sac and he was selling at a party in the bay, and being that we are so close I know he doesn't know many people down there. I'm sure the buyers bought before, but not from him. They didn't know him from Adam. xoxo--Miccaela -----Original Message----- From: Sharif Torpis To: Vanessa & Miccaela Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Saturday, November 29, 1997 10:27 PM Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties >> I don't like dealers @ parties. To me, they add a shady aspect that takes >> away from the vibe. I don't really have a problem w/ people using, but I >> think they should buy beforehand if they want it that much. You should be >> buying from a trusted source, not some guy/girl @ a party you can hardly see > >Well if you didn't realize your friend was a dealer then he couldn't have been >that shady. Also, what about people who do know him and make their buy at >the party? They are buying from a trusted source. Who says all his buyers at >the parties are new? > From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 11:17:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26412 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 11:17:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 26404 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 11:17:33 -0000 Received: from upimssmtpsys01.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPSYS01) (207.68.152.139) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 11:17:33 -0000 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR01 - 207.68.143.137 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 03:09:35 -0800 Received: from vbaird - 153.35.237.178 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 03:09:34 -0800 From: "Vanessa & Miccaela" To: "Mr nStuff" , "funkateers" Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 03:16:14 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <059703409111eb7UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Mr nStuff at parties? I am reluctant to say that I have never been to a party w/ Mr nStuff. I bet it would be cool though. Especially since you're supposed to be such a good dancer . . . But you can't come unless you have a girlfriend. ;-) xoxo--Miccaela -----Original Message----- From: Mr nStuff To: Vanessa & Miccaela ; funkateers Date: Saturday, November 29, 1997 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties >Question, > >What about ME at the parties. I would like to hear your opinions on that. > >Thanks. >Jeff From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 12:12:59 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4749 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 12:12:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 4741 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 12:12:54 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 12:12:54 -0000 Received: from default (tokyo-49.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.229.49]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA03925; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:12:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711301212.EAA03925@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: "Vanessa & Miccaela" Cc: Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:12:23 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk So a few friends and I are standing in line for some massive. One of my friends has five caps to sell. Five caps, a great way to get into a party for free. Well, if you feel like breaking some laws to get out of spending money on fun. This guy comes up to us and tells us he needs to sell some tabs to get money for the party. My friends and I have seen this guy before, talked to him before, and I myself respected the guys character for quite sometime before. My friend tells this guy, "well I have five caps, and I need to sell them too" The guy then tells my friend, "hey dog, I'll trade you five tabs for five caps" My friends looks at me for opinions on the inquiry, I am looking at this guy. After a split second goes by, I come to my decision. So I look at my friend and he instantly knows what my opinion is. It's like no way..Even if the guy didn't look nervous and up-to-no-good, who is going to give up five TABS for five CAPS! So my friends decision was no deal, and we brushed it off. No confrontations, no grudges, no change of respect. I suppose you can't trust alot of people in that environment. Know who your real friends are always. And I don't appreciate disrespect just because, people that didn't even WANT to know me at first, can't COME UP TO ME and say what's up. Waz up wid that? =]:. ... Oh, lets just stand here and expect ME to stop what I am doing and initiate a conversation with YOU. I can either dance, or talk. Wadda yea want from me, talk to me. Sometimes I feel like I can read body language just alittle bit better than you people on earth. So stand there and enjoy watching me dance, come up and tell me you like me, if your sexy you can even come up and dance with me (as close as you think you can get), ask me a question and I will tell you no lies. But don't just stand there with the look of expect (not even expectation classifies), with the look of expect on your face..I get all tripped out and uncomfortable.. So what! Alot of people have problems, or spots you don't poke at! You can't get mad at people just because they don't react to input the way you would expect them to. Woh.. What the... I think my mind wondered there. Vanessa & Miccaela wrote: : : Mr nStuff at parties? I am reluctant to say that I have never been to a : party w/ Mr nStuff. I bet it would be cool though. Especially since : you're supposed to be such a good dancer . . . : Well I see.. I see were up on current situations. I really don't consider myself any good dancer or anything. But through the thick fog of unmodivation, I see potential in it.. It's more of ah, I either feel good stomping like this or I don't. I just understand the concept of music alittle bit better than most. More of a wisdom than knowledge. : But you can't come unless you have a girlfriend. ;-) : I would like to think the girl who said that to me in the parking lot that morning, was only making a complimentary joke, because of how much BULLSHIT I have to listen to in my current situation. I will goto a ravE whenever I want. Thought, feeling, and deep emotions determine "Want". You funny though. =]:. ... Because you winked at me. I saw you. Jeff ---------- : From: Vanessa & Miccaela : To: Sharif Torpis : Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org : Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties : Date: Sunday, November 30, 1997 3:06 AM : : 1. I knew my friend dealt from time to time, but I never did it at parties : until _Smarties_. He doesn't even really go to raves that often, although : now he's getting into it. And he is shady, but luckily has qualities that : override that--once you get to know him. : : 2. He wasn't selling to people he knew. I know this because he lives in : Sac and he was selling at a party in the bay, and being that we are so close : I know he doesn't know many people down there. I'm sure the buyers bought : before, but not from him. They didn't know him from Adam. : : xoxo--Miccaela From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 18:34:58 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12853 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 18:34:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 12839 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 18:34:54 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 18:34:54 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id KAA06583; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:34:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id KAA16248; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:34:50 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:34:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: Ray Vonie cc: "lara at vibe.org" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ In-Reply-To: <347E0B49.8BE46ACC@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi Vlad! ]=} Once again I am in happy disagreement with you. I hope everyone keeps in mind that while I *respect* the majority of Vlad's work I still disagree with some issues due to personal bias's. On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Ray Vonie wrote: > This is so true. This scene is here for you... NOT the other way around. Maybe for you this is true but not for the scenes I participate in and try to foster. Our scene is here for US. That means party goers as well as the folks that put it on and *especially* for the thousands of volunteers you and I (and other promoters and artisians) depend on Vlad. > Therefore the people > that are the biggest contributors to the scene are the ravers, guests & > attendees... NOT the Promoters, organizers or artists. The attendees are the biggest force (due to sheer numbers) but it is because of the artists and organisers (as well as a chance to hang with the home crowd) that folks come to events. Seems like it is *not* one or the other (attendees vs. artists/workers). > If you believe in the value > of the scene, and you do something for the scene, then you do it for > FUN, and for > YOURSELF, and Because YOU know that 'Others' will benefit and enjoy > your efforts... > its a 'giving' thing... and its wonderful! Exactlly! :) However by taking a stance (typical in Massives) that the party is a "show" with a clear line between performers and party goers you are maintaining a stance established since before the Roman Gladiator fights. One that is taken to the extreme with television (although with interactive TV coming that line is being blurred a tiny bit). In other words Massives are just like TV. Just bigger and louder with more people. In the UG scene many folks try to make the parties more of an us type of event in that there is no clear line between performers and audience. Part of this is due to sheer neccessity (we need the help!), but some of us view these parties in the same way as the Burning Man folks. NO SPECTATORS! Everyone is an artist and everyone helps create the event. To me this is far more exciting and satisfying than going to see Eat Static perform their latest stuff on DAT or watching vinal going around and around. There was a time when I had hoped to make money off the rave scene with my hard work. I now see it as a birthing place for ideas and inspiration and have little intrest in the money making aspects of it. I do not see UG's (and the idea of making them more interactive) as being better than Massives. It is just what I prefer. Congrats on Spirit Vlad! :) hugz, Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 18:35:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13399 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 18:35:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 13391 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 18:35:42 -0000 Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 18:35:42 -0000 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU (7391@si.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.25]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4.cats-athena) with SMTP id KAA06643; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id KAA16291; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:35:41 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:35:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Ran D. Dreams" X-Sender: randream@si.UCSC.EDU To: "lara at vibe.org" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! ]=} People who do not help our scene, in *some* way, have no right to criticise our scene or those that do help creat and sustain our scene. They especially have no right to attack and be generally destrucrive to the people who make it possible for so many to have such incredible experiences. Remember the third aspect of Zen raving; Get Involved. Being involved in the sense of helping our scene thrive and grow and to return to the community vital healthy smart, fun loving people. I've deliberately included everyone reading this as I would rather include everyone at SFraves than try to judge who does or does not contribute. I know I have made mistakes and I know I've contributed alot. It would be nice (for our scene anyway) if we *all* could try to make the ratio of mistakes to contributions heavy on the contributions side. "Many hands make lite the work." I also want to point out that I am well aware that this opinion is strictly my own and is in no way representative of others on this list or their perceptions on raving. On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, lara at vibe.org wrote: > recently on the list, people have been asking "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE > SCENE," judging one's character due to how much they have contributed to > the scene. why is this? are you automatically a bad person if you haven't > helped throw a party? are you automatically no longer deemed worthy or > credible? hugz, Ran D. Dreams (Namaste) / -=*=-/ ~ ./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\. VM -||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||415.971.3573 In person - (Please do NOT leave messages, use VM for messages) 510.412.2131 _/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_/^\_ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 18:57:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15804 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 18:57:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 15794 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 18:57:07 -0000 Received: from odin.community.net (root@140.174.119.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 18:57:07 -0000 Received: from benchun (BENCHUN.MIT.EDU [18.207.0.48]) by odin.community.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA17183; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:55:42 -0800 (PST) From: "b e n c h u n" To: "Ran D. Dreams" Cc: Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene? Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:56:51 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcfdc1$b8281000$3000cf12@benchun.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk lara at vibe.org wrote: >> recently on the list, people have been asking "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE >> SCENE," judging one's character due to how much they have contributed to >> the scene. why is this? are you automatically a bad person if you haven't >> helped throw a party? are you automatically no longer deemed worthy or >> credible? which i think is a good question to be asking... i know that i have felt bad in the past when i've showed up at a party and asked if any help was needed, to find out that my help could have been used hours before and now everything was pretty much done. yet many more people attend a party than organize it. where do we all fit in to the larger picture? then, ran d. dreams wrote: > People who do not help our scene, in *some* way, have no right to criticise >our scene or those that do help creat and sustain our scene. They especially >have no right to attack and be generally destrucrive to the people who >make it possible for so many to have such incredible experiences. > > Remember the third aspect of Zen raving; Get Involved. Being involved in >the sense of helping our scene thrive and grow and to return to the >community vital healthy smart, fun loving people. this is such a good point. and i think the answer to lara's question lies here: rave, by nature, is participatory. it's not something you pay for admission to and are then entertained by. it is an event, a happening, something that EVERYONE in the room creates through their participation in the rituals of dancing, taking care of one another, reaching out to one another (be it through words, hugs, art, music, whatever or however you express best). yes, it takes a lot of sweeping and cleaning and decorating and carrying-of-heavy-speakers and planning and organizing and worrying to make a party happen. but it's not just that, and i don't think anyone who attends these events as a participant should feel bad about not doing those things, if they don't feel inspired to. all IMHO, of course. . . . . . . . ben_chun@community.net ben_chun@technologist.com www.community.net/~ben_chun/ From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 20:31:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29924 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 20:31:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 29910 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 20:31:28 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 20:31:28 -0000 Received: (from ldylove@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PdR29745; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:30:52 EST To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:23:27 -0800 Subject: Be there now review Message-ID: <19971130.122438.5903.0.ldylove@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7,9-12,14-18 From: ldylove@juno.com Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I would just like to say last night was my first space children party and I enjoyed it immensely. I don't normally pay the fortune of $20 dollars for a party, or go to parties in clubs like Maritime hall but Eat Static was worth it. I danced my ass off (please return if found). The vibe was spectacular and I met some really neat people from Sac. I also had the pleasure of interacting with some really funny people that claimed to once have been thrown out of a country for dancing.(how silly and absurd some countries can be) I even got to meet foolish fish even though we never got around to talking much. Thanks for the wonderful time everybody. Malcolm, Felix, Alex, Philip, Brad, Hillary, and the really neat girl from Sac that is doing WHAT! smiles and cheerios RLove From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 20:47:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4041 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 20:47:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 4032 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from mrin46.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin46.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.156) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 20:47:35 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA00637 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:47:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:47:07 -0500 (EST) From: Natasha426@aol.com Message-ID: <971130154707_1678279521@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Big Floor!!! Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Was anybody else there?? How THICK was that vibe?!@?? I needed flippers and a snorkel cuz MAN I was SWIMMING in it!!! This ranks up there with some of the BEST partiEs I've been to ... Dan was *AMAZING* as always ... his muzak moves my soul like I cannot describe....I coulda stayed there all night and day .. we danced and danced and danced but I *still* couldn't dance hard enough....awesome visuals, *incredible* lighting (purple!!!!) :) and beeeeautiful people.....Hi Adam!! Hi Geoff (Jeff?)!!! <> You two absolutely made my night!! a *BIG* hug to Alex the dancing machine :)~ you have no idea how long this energizer bunny can go!!! =) Never stop movin!! mucho luv n huggies!!! natasha :) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 21:25:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8659 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 21:25:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 8651 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 21:25:16 -0000 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (128.32.136.72) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 21:25:16 -0000 Received: from yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (yog-sothoth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.29.227]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03541 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:23:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971130132055.007591d4@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: case@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:21:04 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: josh sorkin Subject: another SPIRIT review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk so it's about half past midnight and a little red car disgorges its contents into the HomeBass parking lot and there's no line so gee has it been cancelled? were there too many good choices tonight to draw a massive crowd? but never you mind 'cause it's on--and how! music sounding so [sweet and funky and pounding hard drive your body to move] that we almost don't have time to take in a little of that psycholytic SMOKE and here we GO! propelled from one room to the next, MY my My what a variety of sounds we have here tonight, folks! around the genres in 80 seconds. i'll be frank. the vibe was spotty. But Such Spots! --EFX and M2000 w/ Big Ed and my god vinyl and keyboards went well together. --DRC = excellent. plain and simple. --Slim and that psy-trance of his burned my mind but good. --Moshe's jungle...awright! --meeting and re-meeting SFR people is always nice. --props to the DEALERS AT THE PARTY for providing such excellent EpErEoEdEuEcEtEsE that would not have been otherwise available to me and several good friends. --the DJ schedule on the wall, which had the magical power of making me wish i had a watch. AND It all comes down to this: thanks to everyone concerned for such a worthwhile event! great EBF afterparty... ------------------------------- "i scream so much. you know what i mean. this electric stream. and my tears in league with the wires and energy and my machine." From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 22:03:32 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20030 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 22:03:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 20022 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 22:03:30 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 22:03:30 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.167 (XYP5-PORT17.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQMGAIBGEK9EDW8M@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:03:25 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 14:15:43 -0800 From: Doreen Subject: :-( To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <32A0B20F.5024@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk i found out, after a few hours of sleep yesterday afternoon, that one of my friends who was at spirit and goes to school wth me here is sonoma got in a car accident on the way home. thank god nobody in the car or other vehicle was seriously injured. their seatbelts saved their lives...please wear your seatbelts. -doreen. p.s. also, if there is anybody who knows how to make guilt go away, e-mail be privately. :( From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 22:06:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20696 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 22:06:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 20688 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 22:06:24 -0000 Received: from mrin39.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin39.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.149) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 22:06:24 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA16635; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:05:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:05:56 -0500 (EST) From: HornedHalo@aol.com Message-ID: <971130170555_246163103@mrin39> To: vbaird@email.msn.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-29 23:53:09 EST, Miccaela writes: << I don't like dealers @ parties. To me, they add a shady aspect that takes away from the vibe. <> Well, personally, I don't have a problem buying from dealers at a party. But then again, I very rarely buy from people I don't know. I agree that buying from some unknown isn't the smartest idea, so if I can't locate anyone I know, I ask my friends if they have any leads. Sorta the referral system, ya know? ;-]~ If I don't recognize the dealer's face (ie I haven't seen them at any parties) I won't buy. But if I HAVE seen them before, it means that they've been around and they haven't screwed anyone TOO bad, so I might take the chance. HornedHalo From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 22:38:29 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25626 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 22:38:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 25617 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 22:38:27 -0000 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@206.80.6.10) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 22:38:27 -0000 Received: from [206.221.201.20] (tribe3.hotwired.com [206.221.201.20]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18153 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:38:24 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: ech@mail.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:46:00 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: *j* Subject: losing space Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I just wanted to say that our group has thrown a few parties, and we have always worked our asses off to find a good space for all ages. We all know how hard that is. Therefore, it is with great disappointment that we have lost a great, new space that we found due to the fact that every rave group jumped on the space, and the owners were greedy enough to say okay to everyone. Since we found the space, we were excited to do a special Christmas party there. It is coming up in two weeks. The space got busted Friday night and now we can't use it. We have the utmost respect for venues, and take care of everyone who is involved with the party, including and especially the people who attend them. We have never been busted. Please respect party throwers who are trying to do it right, and please respect the work involved, especially when it comes to finding a space in this city. Thanks. justi From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 22:39:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26204 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 22:39:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 26195 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 22:39:28 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 22:39:28 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xcI1G-0001os-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:39:18 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: hak1 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: fuckin assholes In-Reply-To: <199711270743.XAA10645@norway.it.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk OUCH. What's wrong with changing your music interests? Damn. I love Music.... especially House music. Which is not shit. "Most people can't understand House Music. It's a spiritual thing." -Frankie Nuckles mixing at NIKITA I know I've told people that I prefer one music over another, but that doesn't mean I've takent the time to really listen to see if I can connect with it. If you really love music there is no genre that you *HATE*. Because they all have elements that are similar or the same. They all came from the same creator. A lot of times we're too narrow minded. Music crosses all boundries and genres have slept together so many times that we have all these new genres popping up. As Brian would say, Intelligent Dance Music. Good vibes and love, Byroni On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, hak1 wrote: > Sunday, November 30th - _Stompy Dig-In SF_ > Mark Farina, Jonene, Preston, Buggin' Out and the Terrorist Society > with jungle teknicians...Noel, Andrew Rawnsley, Push, Solar. > noon-10pm, 21+, $13. 278 11th St, SF. > > check it kidz. solar spins jungle..... oh two years ago he hated it. fuck > off you fucking twat. go back to your little fucking house shite...... > if your down thats kewl, but to fucking diss it in my face dayz ago, and > now spin it is fuking shite in my book. don;t ever come to solid grooves > you fool, never support the schemers........ > > haK > Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 22:52:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 581 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 22:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 570 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 22:52:49 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 22:52:49 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA18209; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:51:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca9-19.ix.netcom.com(207.93.148.83) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018169; Sun Nov 30 16:51:10 1997 Message-ID: <3481EDC5.AA54DD3F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:50:45 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainmnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ran D. Dreams" CC: "lara at vibe.org" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (NRR) what have YOU done for the scene?~ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Randy.. I very much agree in what you said. I think that it hqappens exactly the way you put it. this thread is moving in a diferent direction now, and its realy hard to focus on the actual "what have you done for the scene lately"aspect of it.. so lets just say..... Evryone in this scene is EQUAL... Its all About P L Unity R my brother... Keep it real... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 23:03:49 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2249 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 23:03:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 2238 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 23:03:43 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 23:03:43 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xcIOm-0002Gj-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:03:36 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:03:41 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: BSP: My birthday party... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Guess who turns 22 tomorrow? Me... :) Sooo... I'm having a party next Saturday (the 6th) at my buddy's loft in Oaktown. It's going to start about 8/9 and go to whenever. It's going to be free and there's going to be enough Deep house to make you groove your boody like you never thought you could. :) You have soul, you just need to unlock it! :) Here's the DJs that will be spinning: Andre Lucero - Needs no introduction. :) You've heard him before if you've been partying for a while. House Lends (Djs: Bloom, Tune, Abdul) - Their name says it all. Jake Loco - Deep house morning set Johnsin (Massive Magazine, WI) - He'll be spinning Bukem style Jungle at the request of your's trully. It's going to be a lot of fun. Free. Good vibes. This would be a good time for those of you would like to go to a party with Spirituality, good vibes, and love. I'm trusting that people will only come if they want to have a close, intimate, get together for a good reason. :) E-mail me if you're interested in coming. I'm not going to post the address for *obvious* reasons. Positive vibes, love and understanding, Byroni the Space Cowboy From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 23:05:34 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3169 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 23:05:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 3160 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 23:05:32 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 23:05:32 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xcIQX-0002L7-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:05:25 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:05:31 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Ooopss... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk HOUSE BLENDS. not House Lends. Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Nov 30 23:23:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7585 invoked by uid 6000); 30 Nov 1997 23:23:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 7572 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 23:23:01 -0000 Received: from amalthea.ccnet.com (192.215.96.98) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 23:23:01 -0000 Received: from ccnet3 [192.215.96.11] (byroni) by amalthea.ccnet.com with smtp (Exim 1.71 #9) id 0xcIhS-0002bK-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:22:54 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:22:59 -0800 (PST) From: *byroni* X-Sender: byroni@ccnet3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: My SPIRIT has been lifted.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk SPIRIT..... in a word " ", aah. There isn't a word to describe this experience. I had a *VERY* good time. What else can be expected?? :) I'm never disappointed by Feelgood Entertainment. Me and Derek go to the Pary at about 11ish? I strolled in and caught my buddy BLOOM spinning. This was a special thing. It was the first time I ever had a chance to hear him spin at a large party. I was there from the beginning supporting him and was there until the end. We've gotta support eachother. His set was nice and started my night off perfectly. Then I floated over to the next room where Tony was finishing his set and Carlos was coming on. TONY always makes me smile and boogy down. Carlos is PURE energy and is always smiling. He is a vibe pool overflowing with positive energy. I love how he jerks around and moves while he's spinning... in a little rush and then gets into the groove and is as much apart of the dancing as we are. "I love music... any kind of music..". Then I went and saw MICRO AND MACADIO..... (Wait, I might of seen them first, can't remember.. what does it matter... time did exist that night). Lets just say that THEY SENT ME BEYOND... man... those guys know how to bring the party to the next level... next level.. another dimension... so hard, so fast, so clean, so beautiful... we were all there... dancing as hard as possible... feeding off the music.... the break and then the slight build up.. and then BAM!.... rocking.... nice. nice. nice. Thank you.... Then I saw Vertigo spinning.... always nice. Always fast, always enjoyable. It's funny how knowing a DJ makes the experience even more personal. You can feel that person's emotions and the message they're relaying to us all. You know the time and energy, the love they put into their mixing. It's so worth it guys, you make our lives so much funner at these parties. FUN FUN FUN. Then I saw Josh Scwab and Corey.... this is the first time I've ever seen them spin. Or even heard them. But I've seen their names on flyers for some weekly. They rocked the house with their glittering, progressive music. I love it... and the answer is "Jam and Spoon".. :) Also.. lets not forget "THE E-TEAM: DJ DAN EFX and M2000". They ROCKED!!! My buddy Ron knows Dan pretty well and told me to go to that TRUST outdoor party.. but I didn't... man am I impressed. .... Vlad, you chose so many GOOOOOOOOOD Djs... I don't remember being more satisfied with DJs and their mixing, music. Their stuff was hard and fast, clean mixing. I love the way they brough in their mixing after the last Dj(s) finished. Spinning that record backwards and then the other guy (M2000) mixed his records down and then back in. ok... enough of my rambling... you get the picture... :) hehe... Thanks again Vlad. Byroni the Space Cowboy "Won't you join me on a cosmic interlude...?" From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 00:02:19 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17552 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 00:02:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 17544 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 00:02:13 -0000 Received: from f19.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.30) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 00:02:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 25723 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1997 00:01:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19971201000146.25722.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.163.202.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:01:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.163.202.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ooo000SPIRIT000ooowawawa Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 00:01:42 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay, ifrst I would like all of you to try something for me, don't worry it's fun and safe. *put both of your hands in front of you, palms facing you, then as if you were telling someone that you are 3 years old on both hands-run to the closest mirror/ with fingers still towards you, put your lips wide as if you were going to eat a pickle; and put your hands up next to your cheecks....it should spell out W*O*W!!!! Sorry that was really stupid (laughing out loud :P) Anyways that is what I thought of Spirit. It started with seeing a lot of sfravers and other UG folks that I knew all leaping up and down and spazzing out in front of our friends Micron & Macadio...It was very exciting to see them spazing out sometimes more than I was...got pictures too. :) It raises you to another level when the dj is enjoying themselves just as much , if not more than, yourself. It was really fun hitting people in the head with my elbows while dancing (sorry, forgive me?) Oh well... From there it was the *check things out* time. roamed around and saw so many smiling faces and people really having a good time. I finally had the priveledge of meeting Sir Byroni, seeing my sweetcake baby Ms. Leslie ( the resurected one, of course) I really wanted to see DRC, but she was very late and by the time that I found out she was there, she was already done with her set :( Butt I went wild again and enjoyed DJ Tony and struck many conversations with friendly strangers while dancing at the same time which was fun and more productive than just dancing itself :) ***WOW***again, fatty Danny props to Boomerang fudgy, Not many people were sticking around, so I tried to recruit people who were roaming through the room to stay because "give the guy a chance, anyone who spins "Superfreak" and "Burning Down the house" by the Talking Heads earns the biggest love patties in the world (whatever those are?) YOu seriously made my night Peter!!!! :) By this time, I had taken off my shirt so I could look like a meatball with arms-j/k and pick up on the ummmm, nevermind. Touchy subject :P Slim was on after the Boom, and he spun some very nice 'make ya' want to melt' trance. I ran out of film :( bought some water for 2$ and argued with a jerky security guy, and then there was the normle everyrave drama that existed with the hormone-filled lunatics that I travel with to parties. But that wasn't going to ruin me, cuz I was likin' everything, even the port-o-lets mmmmm Vertigo ended my dancing carreer that evenning, and pretty much put me on another nice planet. Thanks for the frequent flyer miles Memo!! and I couldn't miss out on my good friend Mr Deepfog, groovy beats and I got to calm down alittle bit and talk with Derek and Byroni about looking in the mirror for pleasure he he...if you can stay that positive, then by all means...... Have a blast! All in all, an excellent time and nice meeting everyone out there and at EBF's afta' party, thanks guys!!! & thanks for the talk Tony, I love you man *smoooooch* My slinky is mad and hiding from me, and I'm contemplating an add on milk cartons to search for my lost love, my only reason to live, my heart, my soul, my... Slinky o o o o0 o0 0 O o Stay warm even when it's cold, Danny From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 00:30:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22930 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 00:29:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 22921 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 00:29:56 -0000 Received: from f76.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.182) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 00:29:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 10920 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1997 00:29:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19971201002927.10918.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.60.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:29:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.60.66] From: "bABy HueY" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Spirit's Kneetoe wOw Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 00:29:25 GMT Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Okay, ifrst I would like all of you to try something for me, don't worry it's fun and safe. *put both of your hands in front of you, palms facing you, then as if you were telling someone that you are 3 years old on both hands-run to the closest mirror/ with fingers still towards you, put your lips wide as if you were going to eat a pickle; and put your hands up next to your cheecks....it should spell out W*O*W!!!! Sorry that was really stupid (laughing out loud :P) Anyways that is what I thought of Spirit. It started with seeing a lot of sfravers and other UG folks that I knew all leaping up and down and spazzing out in front of our friends Micron & Macadio...It was very exciting to see them spazing out sometimes more than I was...got pictures too. :) It raises you to another level when the dj is enjoying themselves just as much , if not more than, yourself. It was really fun hitting people in the head with my elbows while dancing (sorry, forgive me?) Oh well... From there it was the *check things out* time. roamed around and saw so many smiling faces and people really having a good time. I finally had the priveledge of meeting Sir Byroni, seeing my sweetcake baby Ms. Leslie ( the resurected one, of course) I really wanted to see DRC, but she was very late and by the time that I found out she was there, she was already done with her set :( Butt I went wild again and enjoyed DJ Tony and struck many conversations with friendly strangers while dancing at the same time which was fun and more productive than just dancing itself :) ***WOW***again, fatty Danny props to Boomerang fudgy, Not many people were sticking around, so I tried to recruit people who were roaming through the room to stay because "give the guy a chance, anyone who spins "Superfreak" and "Burning Down the house" by the Talking Heads earns the biggest love patties in the world (whatever those are?) YOu seriously made my night Peter!!!! :) By this time, I had taken off my shirt so I could look like a meatball with arms-j/k and pick up on the ummmm, nevermind. Touchy subject :P Slim was on after the Boom, and he spun some very nice 'make ya' want to melt' trance. I ran out of film :( bought some water for 2$ and argued with a jerky security guy, and then there was the normle everyrave drama that existed with the hormone-filled lunatics that I travel with to parties. But that wasn't going to ruin me, cuz I was likin' everything, even the port-o-lets mmmmm Vertigo ended my dancing carreer that evenning, and pretty much put me on another nice planet. Thanks for the frequent flyer miles Memo!! and I couldn't miss out on my good friend Mr Deepfog, groovy beats and I got to calm down alittle bit and talk with Derek and Byroni about looking in the mirror for pleasure he he...if you can stay that positive, then by all means...... Have a blast! All in all, an excellent time and nice meeting everyone out there and at EBF's afta' party, thanks guys!!! & thanks for the talk Tony, I love you man *smoooooch* My slinky is mad and hiding from me, and I'm contemplating an add on milk cartons to search for my lost love, my only reason to live, my heart, my soul, my... Slinky o o o o0 o0 0 O o Stay warm even when it's cold, Danny From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 00:33:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23823 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 00:33:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 23813 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 00:33:43 -0000 Received: from mail1.sirius.com (205.134.253.131) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 00:33:43 -0000 Received: from [205.134.227.27] (ppp-asft09--026.sirius.net [205.134.228.26]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id QAA12473; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:33:40 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: standish@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0269e4833221db7UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:33:54 -0800 To: "Vanessa & Miccaela" , "funkateers" From: Michael Standish Subject: Re: Whistles @ Parties Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk At 2:40 PM -0800 11/29/97, Vanessa & Miccaela wrote: Whistles are the bomb. Tweet, tweet...tweet, tweet, tweet. You're right, of course; they've got to be used in moderation. The occasional whistle exchange adds to the vibe. Fortunately constant whistling is quite rare. It's the drummers who are the off beat, suckerheads, who drive me away from the speakers. I mean, is there even one drummer, in the entire rave scene, who knows that there are eight beats in a measure? As I understand it, some people actually like the drummers: however, I myself go to raves to (among other reasons) hear the DJs. Ulrich standish@sirius.com "... how can you not blow a whistle?? It unites us in one big TWEEEEET!" (TeKnODiVa,1997) From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 00:48:50 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29049 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 00:48:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 29004 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 00:48:48 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 00:48:48 -0000 Received: from 206.170.3.111 (ppp-206-170-33-172.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.33.172]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id QAA05063 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:48:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34819921.A6EB1C61@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:49:54 +0000 From: jen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SFR Subject: I wrote something just for you X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I wish i could explain things and feelings to everyone on this planet. We are going to go so so far. One day everyone will come together and there will be art and love and everyone will lift everyone up and no one will have to say anything. We will all be able to just stand and look at each other and feel energy flow from one to another and the sky will be blue and clean and full of the most beautiful clouds and the sun will shine down on us and we will be warm and calm and at peace. There will be music and everyone will dance and the world will be full of the most beautiful records that you have ever heard. The music will lift you up and breathe for you and move you and everything will be effortless, just like driving to a good mixtape. Just like how the music can drive your car and take you home. Everyone will be together no matter where they are on earth. People will be crying tears of joy and sadness and relief and love and release and all the bad energy will come out through those tears and be released and through being released will metamorphisize (is that a word?) into good energy. We will see things as being real. Things will make sense and we wont be lost. We will all stand in a huge circle and hold hands and the energy will flow through us and heal us and through our healing and helping others we to will be helped and healed, like a huge cycle of forgiveness and love and caring. No one will be alone and no one will hurt or be hungry or be in pain or sad or angry or confused anymore. We wont need social service agencies to help people anymore. We will just all be helping and being helped all at the same time. There will be peace in every soul and love in every heart and then the day will turn into night and the moon will shine down on us and the records will play and we will all be together as one even though at the same time we will be our own separate selves and we will dance to the most beautiful music and we will feel every emotion flow out of us and we will feel the goodness in all of us flow through us and we wont need to say i love you because we will already know. And the music will go on forever and be heard everywhere and it will heal all of the people and there will be no more war and there will be no more suffering. And when we all stand together and know that we all are full of love and life then the earth will be healed, we will all be forgiven and then we will all have our chance to start over and keep our sights clear, and know what is right and wrong. And the records will play forever and the love will flow forever and love will conquer hate and good will conquer evil and the earth will flow with love and light forever. --excerpt from you good missy nub nubbin Hope ya liked that see ya jen From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 01:31:51 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6738 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 01:31:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 6723 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 01:31:45 -0000 Received: from mail2.sirius.com (205.134.253.132) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 01:31:45 -0000 Received: from [205.134.227.27] (ppp-asft05--136.sirius.net [205.134.227.136]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id RAA06310 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:31:39 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: standish@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:31:53 -0800 To: "funkateers" From: Michael Standish Subject: Re: Whistles @ Parties Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Oops my bad; I wrote this. Not as it may have apeared before Vanessa & Miccaela. At 4:33 PM -0800 11/30/97, Michael Standish wrote: >Whistles are the bomb. Tweet, tweet...tweet, tweet, tweet. You're right, of >course; they've got to be used in moderation. The occasional whistle >exchange adds to the vibe. Fortunately constant whistling is quite rare. >It's the drummers who are the off beat, suckerheads, who drive me away from >the speakers. I mean, is there even one drummer, in the entire rave scene, >who knows that there are eight beats in a measure? As I understand it, some >people actually like the drummers: however, I myself go to raves to (among >other reasons) hear the DJs. > >Ulrich standish@sirius.com > >"... how can you not blow a whistle?? It unites us in one big TWEEEEET!" > (TeKnODiVa,1997) Ulrich standish@sirius.com #- #- ______________________{\}o_ ______________________{\}o_ |\ o ******* C\> \ |\ o ******* C\> \ | \ *************** \ \ | \ *************** \ \ \ \ ********^********# | \_______________\ ********^********# | \ \ \ *_*************# /- \ \ \ \ \ o ## \ *_*************# /- \ \ \ \|_| ##########H. v \ \ \ \ \. . . \|_| ##########H. v \ \ \ \\_\_==___________________\__=+==_________\\_\_==___________________\ \|_________________________||______________||_________________________| From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 02:06:22 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11925 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 02:06:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 11917 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 02:06:20 -0000 Received: from germany-c.it.earthlink.net (HELO germany.it.earthlink.net) (204.250.46.123) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 02:06:20 -0000 Received: from aurora8.earthlink.net (1Cust64.tnt8.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.23.64]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15233 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:06:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34821F05.498F@earthlink.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:20:53 -0800 From: Aurora8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: SRR...Send Later Error! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! Someone please call me a computer IDIOT! I tried to inform everyone about the party but somehow (please don't ask me how) I had a delay send on all my messages sent. Of course then I was deleting them to avoid alot of trash in my files. So, obviously no one got any info and none of my posts were appearing on the digest. I apologize for the mix up, but I had food poisoning anyway (NOT from anything I made of course ; ) I'm all better now and I guess I'll just have to reschedule. -TRACY From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 02:43:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18239 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 02:43:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 18230 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 02:43:44 -0000 Received: from mrin40.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin40.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.150) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 02:43:44 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA10427 for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:43:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:43:17 -0500 (EST) From: MusicBoy17@aol.com Message-ID: <971130214316_88821643@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: Dealers @ Parties Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk >If I don't recognize the dealer's face (ie I haven't seen them >at any parties) I won't buy. lately I've been noticing that the same dealers show up at all of the parties I go to. I haven't bought any drugs lately, but I wouldn't hesitate to ask them what they have, assuming I was interested in what they have. I always figure that is people sell bad drugs at parties and then stick around they would get their butts way kicked. Also they're making enough money selling as it is, why would they want to put their reputation at risk for a little more money? I'm sure that there are some people there selling drugs that are really shady and have bad stuff, but if you go to a lot of parties, you know who's there all the time. :) Sammy boy From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 03:08:12 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24566 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 03:08:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 24554 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 03:08:08 -0000 Received: from salinas.net (HELO sugarbeet.salinas.net) (drenalin@205.179.129.7) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 03:08:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (drenalin@localhost) by sugarbeet.salinas.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA20283; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:09:29 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:09:29 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Nelson To: *j* cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: losing space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk I just want to throw some comments in here. I happen to be someone that got cited at the party you are speaking of. On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, *j* wrote: > I just wanted to say that our group has > thrown a few parties, and we have always > worked our asses off to find a good space > for all ages. We all know how hard that is. In the city, SF proper it is quite a chore. You did find a nice place, quite a score when it seemed a lot of things had just faded out (cyborganic, third wave =) > Therefore, it is with great disappointment > that we have lost a great, new space that we found > due to the fact that every rave group jumped on > the space, and the owners were greedy enough > to say okay to everyone. If you're dealing with spaces in the city that is going to happen. There really isn't a lot that you can do about it, especially when there is a lack of reasonable venues to do parties in. The fact is that people are going to throw parties and they are going to do it wherever they can, it's unfortunate that you weren't able to use the space more. In your shoes, I don't think I would be as upset about the space getting used, as I would be about the space being abused. Case in point, I dj'ed at the Happy Kids/Society party there, it was more crowded than should be, I mean really unsafe, *really* unsafe. Responsible use of a space is key to keeping it in use. > Since we found the space, we were > excited to do a special Christmas party there. > It is coming up in two weeks. The space got busted > Friday night and now we can't use it. > We have the utmost respect for > venues, and take care of everyone who is > involved with the party, including and especially > the people who attend them. We have never been > busted. This may be true but Ian, the person that was throwing the party this weekend, had respect for the space and the owners and all the people involved in the party. He made sure that there weren't too many people there (after experience with the HAlloween party), the space owners were happy and smiling when I was around setting up sound. Setup crew was friendly and pleasant. > Please respect party throwers who > are trying to do it right, and please respect > the work involved, especially when it comes > to finding a space in this city. I'll agree with you on this statement. What I don't agree with is that you are implying that the other groups/organizers ruined this space for you. The truth of the matter is that although frequent use of a space definitely makes it much more vulnerable to get shut down, someone called the police to complain about this party on Friday. The sound was not too loud, the space was far from crowded and the street was free of loitering. The police received a complaint from someone, potentially a partier (according to the info we could glean from the 50). The police arrived in force. They confiscated equipment, they handcuffed the owner and my friend who was doing sound with me, they were trying to intimidate us. *This* is what you should be worried about! If this didn't happen to the party on Friday, maybe it would've happened to yours at Christmas? I now have a citation for operating a system without permits and at least 2 others were cited. If the police decide (or have already decided) to crack down on smaller illegal parties (by their definition) then you have a lot more to worry about than other promoters using your space. Let me tell you, that you won't be happy when a police officer tells you that all of your equipment is going to get confiscated, your good friend is in handcuffs when they finally let you in and you have a court date. The point I hope to get across to you or any other 'promoter'/organizer is that unless you are lucky, you can't have a space to yourself. You can work with others, to keep spaces viable, let them know if you think they are using it irresponsibly (in a kind and constructive way). Some people won't listen, that's the way life is. As a deeper issue, someone was the direct cause of getting this party and space busted. I'm not about to make any accusations or claims as to who would do it (although, of course others already have). If anyone here has a clue as to why someone would've called to complain about this party, tell 'em to to get it together. I'm sitting here with a court date and potential fines, cause some idiot decided they needed to deal with their aggressions against this party in their own way. It would be nice if some people would just leave well enough alone, and let others be peaceful. love drenalin ps If you are throwing underground parties in the SF area, I'd be careful. This weekend was the first time I have ever seen equipment confiscated, and people handcuffed at a busted party. I know it has happened in the past, but you all be careful. If you are involved in coordinating events, working door or staffing parties you may want to read, "Raves and the Law", which can be found in the Inspirational Propaganda pages at the Cloud Factory site, www.cloudfactory.org. It gives some good tips on how to deal with a police presence and how to conduct yourself around them. It has helped me immensely in my dealing with the police, and probably helped keep me from getting arrested on Friday. The police were not only looking for the person in charge they were also looking for dj's, and sound and lighting folk to pin blame on, so be careful. From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 04:33:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10737 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 04:33:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 10728 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 04:33:46 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 04:33:46 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.234 (XYP3-PORT4.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQMTVKA9XK9EDVJW@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:33:01 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 20:45:20 -0800 From: Doreen Subject: NRR: was :-( To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <32A10D60.1214@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk ok, thank you all for listening and replying to me. i have gotten many words of comfort, but the best thing was talking to my friend on the phone this afternoon and listening to her. that's it, just listening to her. i can only help her now, NOT before. what's done is done, and i realize it is her life learning experience to deal with, not mine. i'm just so glad that nobody had gotten seriously hurt or worse. she is ok, and so is her friend. thanks everyone! *hugz* to everyone for being beautiful. -doreen From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 05:39:00 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19968 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 05:38:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 19953 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 05:38:54 -0000 Received: from mrin53.mx.aol.com (HELO mrin53.mail.aol.com) (198.81.19.163) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 05:38:54 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA07200; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:38:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:38:26 -0500 (EST) From: ERMODA@aol.com Message-ID: <971201003826_1571262945@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: MISHAP AT BIGFLOOR Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Let's all pray for the young girl who apparently is brain-dead on a respirator at Highland Hospital due to substance abuse (if she is still alive) @ Bigfloor. How much longer can we all condone shit being sold at our parties? If this girl dies, we can all soon expect a drastic change in our scene. On a happier note, Major props to Tribal Funk for an excellent gathering and their choice of line-up. 8( MODA From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 05:54:23 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24524 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 05:54:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 24506 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 05:54:18 -0000 Received: from x86.webcom.com (209.1.28.59) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 05:54:18 -0000 Received: from e4001 (e4001.webcom.com [209.1.28.62]) by x86.webcom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA10822; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from fmali.mtnweb.com by e4001 (WebCom SMTP 1.0.2) with SMTP id AAAa006r.; Sun Nov 30 21:54:15 1997 -0800 Message-ID: <34825032.70C3@santacruz-ca.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:50:42 -0800 From: SugeR Reply-To: suger@santacruz-ca.com Organization: WoooooooooP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ERMODA@aol.com CC: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: MISHAP AT BIGFLOOR References: <971201003826_1571262945@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk You know this is not nearly the beginning of all this nonsense... kids... you got to sleep and eat... and well speed will KILL you... i don't care how much fun you think yer havin..... it ain't worth the consequence.... i still have a good time... and i don't use hard drugs... so... ummm wake up... feel the vibe...and pray they still let us dance... PeAcE... -SugeR ============================================================= Love the Music... Not.. the Drugz.... :) ERMODA@aol.com wrote: > > Let's all pray for the young girl who apparently is brain-dead on a > respirator at Highland Hospital due to substance abuse (if she is still > alive) @ Bigfloor. How much longer can we all condone shit being sold at our > parties? If this girl dies, we can all soon expect a drastic change in our > scene. On a happier note, Major props to Tribal Funk for an excellent > gathering and their choice of line-up. > > 8( MODA From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 06:29:33 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 896 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 06:29:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 888 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 06:29:28 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 06:29:28 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-4-137.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.4.137]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id WAA25870 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:29:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34825987.71AD@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:30:31 -0800 From: ravalum@pacbell.net Organization: Aluminum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: ATTENTION Spirit Peoples! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk How does one get a hold of the lost and found...if there even is one? I lost some stuff at SPIRIT and would like to try about getting it back. Thanks, Teresa I HAD A GREAT TIME, even though I spained my ankle and tore some ligiments-I still am walking. Hi to All that I saw!!! From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 07:04:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6697 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 07:04:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 6688 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 07:04:15 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.16) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 07:04:15 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA08954; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 01:03:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from smx-ca1-13.ix.netcom.com(205.186.78.45) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008930; Mon Dec 1 01:03:09 1997 Message-ID: <3482611A.6EC41AC1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:02:51 -0800 From: Ray Vonie Organization: Feel Good Entertainmnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MusicBoy17@aol.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties References: <971130214316_88821643@mrin40.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk > I always figure that is people sell bad drugs at parties and then stick > around they > would get their butts way kicked. Also they're making enough money selling > as it is, why would they want to put their reputation at risk for a little > more money? Like DUH!!!!!! They are DRUG Dealers ... Thats why... they don't abide by the same standards that we do ... Thats why. ... I mean.... SHIT!!!... they are drug dealer afret all!!!!!!!! .... They don't have safety standards. keep it real... Vlad From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 07:13:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8564 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 07:13:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8556 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 07:13:36 -0000 Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu (130.157.12.42) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 07:13:36 -0000 Received: from 130.157.33.234 (XYP2-PORT4.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #26271) with SMTP id <01IQMZHIQQ6G9EDX83@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.org; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:13:31 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 23:25:48 -0800 From: Doreen Subject: Re: Dealers @ Parties To: Ray Vonie Cc: MusicBoy17@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <32A132FC.B65@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <971130214316_88821643@mrin40.mail.aol.com> <3482611A.6EC41AC1@ix.netcom.com> Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk yeah, i think ppl are forgetting that when they are buying drugs froma dealer, they do not get the same FDA qualifications as from a store. c'mon, that's the chance you take! they are ILLEGAL ppl!! what's uP!! doreen From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 07:41:21 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13543 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 07:41:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 13535 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 07:41:16 -0000 Received: from x9.boston.juno.com (205.231.100.25) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 07:41:16 -0000 Received: (from drek1@juno.com) by x9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CrL29745; Mon, 01 Dec 1997 02:40:46 EST To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:27:52 -0800 Subject: Drekster, SPIRIT, & Spirituality Message-ID: <19971126.180429.7598.0.drek1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7,22-23,37-38,54-55,62-63,68-69,82-90 From: drek1@juno.com (Derek J Fieldsoe) Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk Hey Everybody. Well, it's Sunday night and I've just finished recovering from a weekend of fun and discovery. Most of the fun and discovery was found on Friday at Spirit. That was a very nice party. I must give props to Vlad for throwing a good one. I ended up going with Byroni and got their just in time to see Micron and Macadio tearing the room apart. Met hella SFRavers. I had lot's of fun on a physical level, but sprititually, it was a very important part in my life. That night, because of some good hook ups, I was able to CandEEEE the night away. As I was going on this incredible mind trip, it all made sense to me. As some of you may know by now, I've been fairly disillusioned by the scene. I was caught up in how phony and superficial a lot of people in the scene actually were. Along with that, I was very disappointed to see how mainstream the scene has become and how everything I tried to escape by going into the rave scene was in fact just following me there (weird, I saw a kid who was on my wrestling team from high school at Spirit and I bought some psychadelic stuff from a kid who was on my golf team in high school at Spirit). N E Ways, during the this time of disillusionment, I was finding my studies falling to shit and just a general unhappiness overall with life. I was pondering why I was even in the rave scene and why I was into DJing, because when I wasn't involved in the scene, I was very happy with life outside the scene. While thinking about this on Friday night, along with some guiding thoughts from Byron, I was able to see how and why I'm still going to parties. The reason for me to stay in the party scene was because at a party, along with the music that goes with it, I am able to go to a higher level than most other people at a party. Now don't get me wrong. I'm not doing a "I'm so above you" thing. It's just that I believe that at a party, I'm at a more spiritual, advanced level than a lot of other people at a party. I see so many people at parties who go because it's the cool thing to do but yet have no true love for the music and the scene itself and are just carried away by the ability to do drugs and have fun without getting in trouble. Before, I would be all, "fuck that" about it, but now I just believe that they are now beginning a spirtiual journey like mine. I too went to raves early on mainly for a love of the music but I would be lying if I were to say it wasn't social either. However, after a year of full fledged, hardcore raving, I've changed a lot in my motives. I was able to see a lot in the scene that tested my love of the scene and the music that goes with it. I was and still am dealing with a the problem of doing shitty in college with a somewhat excessive problem with marijuana use. Before this party, I was soooo ready to quit it all. But my love for the music helped me see why I can't. From now on, when I'm at a party, it's solely for the music. I'm very glad that I was able to pass that barrier to move on to learn new things. That night at Spirit, the music was incredible and very spiritual for me. I now have an idea of how I'm going to find a balance between the partying and my outside life in general. For now, I'm just going to stop all together. I don't believe that I can go to a higher spiritual level until I have the knots in my life straightened out. I can't do that unless I'm home every weekend doing the stuff that affects me most importantly, i.e., school, school, more school, and to find happiness in general with my place on this earth. As of now, I'm going to have to sign off from SFRaves. That is the best way for me to do it. It's hard to do work when I want to see so badly what's being discussed (although it may be sometimes monotonous). I mean, I was looking at what I do during the day. It basically consists of waking up, checking mail, going to school, checking mail, going to work, checking mail then responding to mail, then going to bed. Now, I don't think I saw any studying in there. Guess I have to unsubscribe. What I'm going to do is stop raving all together along with unsubscribing. I will eventually come back, but not until I feel I'm ready. While I'm gone, I'm going to get back into old habits with school and get back on the Dean's List. I'm also going to solely practice my DJing skills. My life will be just school, music, friends, and work. I must say that I have very much enjoyed being a part of SFRaves since April. I have also had the opportunity to meet some very cool people and make some very good friends. Because of SFRaves, I was able to meet my best friend Byron (that ol' space cowboy) who has always been there when the scene was good and bad. I think this must be one of the greatest scenes in existence and you guys should try your hardest to keep it that way. I will be attending one more party before I'm completely out of here. That party will be Beautiful People on December 20. Now I want to see as many SFRavers as possible to give me phat good-bye hug. From that point on, I'm probably going to take a leave of absence until the summertime. When I do come back, I will hopefully be good enough to see you guys while I'll be DJing in a chill room. I will hopefully be throwing parties by then with my crew co-founder Byron. I love all of you guys. Bye Bye. : o ) but also : o ( dErEk a.k.a. --- DREKSTER of CYBERTROPIC COMMUNICATIONS From sfraves-owner-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Dec 01 07:55:48 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15880 invoked by uid 6000); 1 Dec 1997 07:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 15872 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1997 07:55:42 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by taz.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 1997 07:55:42 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-1-241.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.241]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id XAA02329 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:55:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34826F09.1CE6@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 00:02:17 -0800 From: fish1111@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: I wrote something just for you References: <34819921.A6EB1C61@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.org Precedence: bulk thanks jen...that was beautiful to read It would be wonderful if we could create a group of promoters that used something like this to build their parties around....and actively seek ways on a daily basis to make this vision come true...not just sit around and dream/talk about it. where can i read more of your good missy nub nubbin ><{{{"> <"}}}>< foolish fish jen wrote: > > > I wish i could explain things and feelings to > everyone on this planet. We are going to go so > so far. One day everyone will come together and > there will be art and love and everyone will lift > everyone up and no one will have to say anything. > We will all be able to just stand and look at each other > and feel energy flow from one to another and the sky > will be blue and clean and full of the most beautiful > clouds and the sun will shine down on us and > we will be warm and calm and at peace.<<>> > --excerpt from you good missy nub nubbin > > Hope ya liked that > > see ya > jen