From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 00:03:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA29775; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acme.sb.west.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id AAA29769; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marcus.technologik.com (term1-6.sb.west.net [205.254.225.6]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA17452; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:00:04 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b24.32.19961001000622.0067a51c@mail.west.net> X-Sender: marcus@mail.west.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b24 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 00:06:24 -0700 To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" From: Marc Fathauer Subject: Dancing illegal in Santa Barbara Cc: "socal-raves@UCSD.EDU" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I posted a comment about this a while back but didn't get around to actually looking at the regs until now. Can any one shed some light on the ability of government bodies (in this case the city of Santa Barbara CA) to restrict our right to dance in public. It strikes me that this is infringing on our rights of free speech and the right of the people peaceably to assemble. What a bunch of s__t! Here's some exerpts from the regs: 1)definition of Public Dance "the words 'Public Dance' mean a gathering of persons in or upon any premisis where dancing is participated in, either as the main purpose for such gathering or as an incident or to some other purpose, and to which the public is admitted." section 5.20.030 A. It shall be unlawful for any person to conduct, or assist in conducting, any public dance hall, dancing club, or any public dance in the City, except under written permit issued by the Chief of Police of the City" B. It shall be unlawful for any person to participate in such a dance conducted without the permit. section 5.20.080 No public dance shall be allowed within the hours of one-thirty a.m. and seven a.m. of any day. Incidently, the owners of public drinking establishments have successfully seen to it that these permits aren't issued to any establishment that doesn't serve alcohol. The police have a terrible record of selectively enforcing this regulation Please e-mail me as well as posting any responses. If any body knows a lawyer that likes to rave, have them e-mail me with advice. There's a bunch of unhappy ravers looking for some help ffff,0000,ffffmarcus@technologik.com 8080,0000,8080marcus@technologik.com 0000,0000,ffffmarcus@technologik.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 00:28:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA01429; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id AAA01424; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA27457; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: test To: Happy Ravers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ...grounding the cosmos... tom this is only a test From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 00:30:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA01566; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id AAA01560; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:30:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Civicgirl1@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA01951; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 03:29:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 03:29:54 -0400 Message-ID: <961001032950_321653099@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: djtom@svpal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: wheRe'zZ aDaM???? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk w/b! jen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 03:30:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id DAA16908; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 03:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from goonsquad.spies.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id DAA16901; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 03:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 03:30:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1996-Aug-2) Message-Id: From: sho@goonsquad.spies.com (Sho Kuwamoto) Subject: Re: sLEEzA To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 03:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) writes: > sho@goonsquad.spies.com (Sho Kuwamoto) wrote > >I just wanted to point out that the rave scene in the bay > >area has the oldest crowd that I've seen. In many cities, > >people over the age of 21 are the minority. > > Which shows, one might suggest (OK, emphasis on the "might"), the > superiority of the Bay area rave scene's appeal to genuine maturity and > understanding, a result equally of its participants and its producers. I > hope, anyway, that the Bay area can sustain a rave scene whose appeal does > not depend on adolescent rebellion but on a real commitment to joy for all. There are a lot of great things about the SF rave scene, but there are also a lot of great things about scenes in other cities. I've met beautiful people from all over the place, and every city has something unique to offer. I love going back to cities like chicago and detroit, where the kids have an ear for crazy complex rhythms, or to cities like Austin, where the scene is so fresh that the kids are hearing the music for the first time. Minneapolis and Columbus have some of the most active groups of musicians (well, so do detroit and chicago, now that I think about it).. I could go on;. The point is that there are all sorts of great things going on in lots of cities across the US, and I'd hate for anyone to close their mind to the possibilities. -Sho From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 06:30:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id GAA29739; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 06:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id GAA29733; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 06:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id JAA06137; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:29:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 03:33:36 -0400 From: Jason Lundy Subject: Temporary Address To: SFR Family Message-ID: <199610010928_MC1-9F9-F363@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Good Day, I have been consumed by school and this new computer since I returned from B-MAN. If anyone needs to contact me for any reason, please use this address for now. I have another IP on the wing that will be more permanent, if it doesn't bite like this one. I really miss all of you wonderful people :) and am looking to having a little more time to spend at least reading some mail instead of spending 6-8 hr in class and at least that much time studying. Take Care, Jason P.S. Hope your having a wonderful day! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 07:55:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id HAA06314; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 07:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpbio1.Biologie.HU-Berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id HAA05886; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 07:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hpbio1.Biologie.HU-Berlin.de (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27206; Tue, 1 Oct 96 16:03:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:03:15 +0200 (MESZ) From: Ulrike Laitko Subject: NRR>Re: to the girl who was with Tony Rose at the burning man To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk geez. how bizarre... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 08:30:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA09276; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misnt1.rely.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA09270; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by misnt1.rely.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBAF72.C2E65C70@misnt1.rely.com>; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:30:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: Adam Guevara To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" , "'Civicgirl1@aol.com'" Subject: RE: wheRe'zZ aDaM???? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:30:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To which Adam are you addressing??? --Adam >---------- >From: Civicgirl1@aol.com >Sent: Monday, September 30, 1996 11:29 PM >To: djtom@svpal.org; sfraves@hyperreal.com >Subject: wheRe'zZ aDaM???? > >w/b! > > >jen > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 08:43:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA10147; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA10137; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:43:06 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id LAA23872; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:43:01 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20136; Tue, 1 Oct 96 08:42:58 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 2513BE30; Tue, 1 Oct 96 08:42:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:40:52 -0700 Message-Id: <2513BE30.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: NRR-Data's Cat Poem (long but double-spaced) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I thought this was rather funny, so I took the liberty to pass it on to all beautiful, happy, cheerful people! May the flowers of love pass over you! deepfog FELIS CATIS ----------- Felis Catis, Is your taxonomic nomenclature And endothermic quadraped Carniverous by nature? Your visual, olfactory and auditory senses Contribute to your hunting skills And natural defenses I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations A singular development Of cat communications That obviates your basic hedenistic predulation For a rythmic stroking of your fur To demonstrate affections A tail is quite essential for your aerobic talents You would not be so agile If you lacked its counterbalance And when not being used to aid in locomotion It often serves to demonstrate The state of your emotion Oh, Spot The complex levels of behavior you display Connute a fairly well developed cognitive array And though you are not sentient, Spot, And do not comprehend I nonetheless consider you A true and valued friend. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 08:54:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA11098; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA11090; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id IAA22998; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:56:05 -0700 Message-ID: <32513DC1.2FC2@cybertribe.com> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 08:50:25 -0700 From: Geoff White Reply-To: geoffw@cybertribe.com Organization: The Cybergator's Guild X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com CC: dhchung@hyperreal.com Subject: TRIBAL FUTURE Oct 12,13,14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This years Tribal Future will be held at Fly Geiser, (one of the lovely hot-springs near this year's burning man site) Tribal Future: The Soaking Sister to Burning Man October 12,13,14 @ Fly Geiser NV DJs: Tracy Garth Markie Josh Galen Solar PolyWog Phil Sater Travis Corbin Everett with sound by the Purple People Pusher ( Wicked Sound) Tickets $20 in advance for the entire weekend camp site available at Open Mind Records FOR INFO (415) 263-3915 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 09:17:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA13733; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hupa.snfc21.pbi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA13702; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (ppp-206-170-1-185.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.185]) by hupa.snfc21.pbi.net (8.7.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA12077 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325143F2.4377@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 09:16:50 -0700 From: PETER FOGEL X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBWE (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: looking for dj equipment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've decided I want learn how to dj. If anyone knows where I can get my hands on any used dj equipment, such as technics 1200's, mixer, speakers, headphones, please send me email at this address that I'm posting from. Angela True From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 09:37:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA15807; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA15795; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id JAA07783; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:37:04 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id JAA06293; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:37:03 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Reply-To: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: --> what do ya think <-- To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello again, I am at another dilema with my new car. I want an alarm but I know NOTHING about car alarms. So I was wondering if you could take a sec to tell me what alarm you think would be best for a new Honda Civic EX. Thank you, =) MHg ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- ) ______ ___ _________ ) ( ___ |/ /______ _______ /______ ________ ___ _____ ( ) __ /|_/ / _ __ `/_ __ / _ __ `/__ __ `__ \_ _ \ ) ( _ / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / /_/ / _ / / / / // __/ ) ) /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___/ ) ( ( ) ______ ___ mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ) ( ___ |/ /_____ ___________________ _______________ __( ) __ /|_/ / _ _ \__ ___/_ ___/_ / / /__ ___/__ / / /) ( _ / / / / __/_ / / /__ / /_/ / _ / _ /_/ / ( ) /_/ /_/ \___/ /_/ \___/ \__,_/ /_/ _\__, / ) ( /____/ ( ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 10:10:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA19150; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA19133; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (arthurc@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA18147; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:09:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: pluto.sfsu.edu: arthurc owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:09:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Arthur Chandler X-Sender: arthurc@pluto To: "-=]madame mercury[=-" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: --> what do ya think <-- In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is probably NRR; but, on the ground that many ravers park their cars in dangerous parts of town at weird hours of the night, here's my public reply: There are a number of things you can do to keep your car secure: use a car cover; install a Club on your steering wheel; always park it under a street lamp at night; etc. For your car stereo, buy a unit with a removable faceplate; don't leave loose CDs or tapes where they can be seen; etc. For car alarms, there is a whole world of protective options, including one unit that will gas intruders! But for normal folks: Believe it or not, the most important element of a car alarm is the flashing red light goes on when the alarm is activated. That tells would-be thieves, even before they break in, that there will be a commotion. The light encourages them to look for another car to rip off. I like the Champion Mark 3 system, made by Avital, though there may be too many options for some folks' taste. The best thing to do is to look in the Yellow Pages under Car Stereo and Alarm, talk to the folks, and compare prices. On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, -=]madame mercury[=- wrote: > > Hello again, > > I am at another dilema with my new car. I want an alarm but > I know NOTHING about car alarms. So I was wondering if you could > take a sec to tell me what alarm you think would be best for > a new Honda Civic EX. > > Thank you, =) > MHg > ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- > ) ______ ___ _________ ) > ( ___ |/ /______ _______ /______ ________ ___ _____ ( > ) __ /|_/ / _ __ `/_ __ / _ __ `/__ __ `__ \_ _ \ ) > ( _ / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / /_/ / _ / / / / // __/ ) > ) /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___/ ) > ( ( > ) ______ ___ mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ) > ( ___ |/ /_____ ___________________ _______________ __( > ) __ /|_/ / _ _ \__ ___/_ ___/_ / / /__ ___/__ / / /) > ( _ / / / / __/_ / / /__ / /_/ / _ / _ /_/ / ( > ) /_/ /_/ \___/ /_/ \___/ \__,_/ /_/ _\__, / ) > ( /____/ ( > ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 10:16:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA19693; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA19668; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.8) id KAA10681; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610011715.KAA10681@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: to the girl who was with Tony Rose at the burning man (fwd) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:07 AM 10/1/96 -0700, you wrote: >You guys need Jesus! Amen, Peace! ROTFL! Rick "Let me have silence always in the centre of the shouting, that is essential. Let me have silence so that no pin may drop and not be heard, and not a whisper. Escape is for all our spouting, nor the needle scratching upon this gramophone of the circular cosmic spot. Hear me, mark me, learn me, throw the mind's ear open. Shut up the mind's eye, all will be music. What sculpture of sound cannot, what cannot as a fluid token words, that nothing else cannot." -Wyndham Lewis From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 10:31:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA21108; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA21087; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:30:58 -0700 (PDT) From: RavenLaFay@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA28443 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:30:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:30:26 -0400 Message-ID: <961001133024_321920842@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: goa/psychedelic trance Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello people=) Anyone interested in coming to a full-on goa trance party this Saturday night?? If so then please post me privately and I'll tell you the details. Love and light ***Raven*** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 10:43:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA22394; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA22375; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scv1.apple.com ([17.128.100.119]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03026 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:42:57 -0700 Received: from [17.128.202.34] ([17.128.202.34]) by scv1.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13436 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:44:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199610011744.KAA13436@scv1.apple.com> Subject: test Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 10:45:28 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Mark D. Camp" To: "sfraves" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 11:00:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA23961; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA23908; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from impactsf (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id KAA08981; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:59:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199610011759.KAA08981@holonet.net> Received: by impactsf.com (Claris OfficeMail 1.0) with SMTP; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 10:22:54 -0800 From: "Andre Lucero" Subject: re : Dancing Illegal Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 10:31:06 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 To: "People" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is a message I just sent to Marc Fathauer, marcus@technologik.com I thought that some of you may find this informative: Hello Marc, Unfortunately for you, these laws are being enforced now. Gone are the days when the cops would come to our parties in Santa Barbara and say, "This is kind of cool. It's like the 60's or something," and go away stating that we should call them if we have any problems. Now I did go to a party there a few weeks ago that was in East Camino Cielo that was really cool, but its too bad that we had to get driven so far up in the hills. Don't get me wrong, the location was EPIC, but what happens when it gets cold? This is maybe something that you should work out with local authorities. Talk to the powers that be and see what they would like to see in order for you to have your parties. Perhaps some parties where a portion of the proceeds go toward a local charity. What would it take for you to get a permit for a night. Hire off-duty police officers for security (lessens the bust factor). Find a location that is at least several blocks away from the nearest residence (noise complaints). Unfortunately, there is a system that we have to work within in order for us to have some fun. If we try to circumvent the law, it can bite us in the ass! Eventually, if we keep working towards it, things can change. Don't Give Up! We just need to keep on keeping on! - Andre Lucero From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 11:35:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA27487; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA27481; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05968 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:35:13 -0700 (PDT) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: *ALERT* (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I received the following forgery today. It is a variation on a pager scam that has been going on, in which a person is paged with a number in the 809 area code, and then ends up with a $25-$50 charge on their phone bill. Just thought I would let you all know in case you receive a similar message. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:01:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Global Communications"@demon.net Subject: Unpaid account I am writing to give you a final 24hrs to settle your outstanding account. If I have not received the settlement in full, I will commence legal proceedings without further delay. If you would like to discuss this matter to avoid court action, call Mike Murray at Global Communications on +1 809 496 2700. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 12:13:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA01374; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iserver.starlight.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA01350; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slight.starlight.com (slight.starlight.com [192.216.63.1]) by iserver.starlight.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06787 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:10:19 -0700 Received: from Paradise (ds10) by slight.starlight.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07159; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:13:13 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961001192000.0093f234@slight.starlight.com> X-Sender: smorgan@slight.starlight.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:20:00 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Steve Morgan Subject: NRR! (But funny ;) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry to those who are so concerned with NRR posts... I couldn't resist >:) permagrins, Steve A young man goes into a drug store to buy condoms. The pharmacist says the condoms come in packs of 3, 9 or 12 and asks which the young man wants. "Well," he said, "I've been seeing this girl for a while and she's really hot. I want the condoms because I think tonight's "the" night. We're having dinner with her parents, and then we're going out. And I've got a feeling I'm gonna get lucky after that. Once she's had me, she'll want me all the time, so you'd better give me the 12 pack." The young man makes his purchase and leaves. Later that evening, he sits down to dinner with his girlfriend and her parents. He asks if he might give the blessing, and they agree. He begins the prayer, but continues praying for several minutes. The girl leans over and says, "You never told me that you were such a religious person." He leans over to her and says, "You never told me that your father is a pharmacist." smorgan@starlight.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 12:19:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA02119; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA02112; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.91.97] (mmf27.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.97]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA04675; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:19:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:17:16 -0800 To: "Mark D. Camp" From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: The Leeza Show Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Really sad missed it! must see it! who taped it? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | expanded/mirror site under construction... | | http://www.cyborganic.com/people/lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 548-3225 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 12:35:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA03784; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA03776; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greg (sjx-ca21-05.ix.netcom.com [204.30.65.69]) by mail.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA26760; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:35:35 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961001191735.00730780@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: ascend@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:17:35 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Gregory Sandler Subject: My Beautiful B-Day!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello! Well thank you to everyone that came out last Saturday! I had so much fun!! I am proud to say that I did not work at all during the party!!!! I did however join the "walking dead" in the clean-up portion of the night. =( But I had to!! I really want to thank all of the people that set that party up so well!!! You guys really did a great job!!! I am really glad to see that a lot of the new 3 year crew is still going to be helping out with the future parties!!! New people=new energy and ideas!!! (very nessesary!!!) Your energy and efforts do more than bring new props to our parties, or just supply Harmony with a newer, fresher and bigger crew... You guys inspire me and the rest of Harmony to keep doing this. You show me that, yes, what we are doing is needed (and apprieciated)!!! But anyways, I am not going to name names, but you all know who you are!!! So, thank you!!! =) (by the way, there is going to be a Harmony meetting sometime soon so get in touch with me!) Anyways, I also did expirience the "oh my god, it's 5:30am" feeling. I was stuned!! I had no idea what was going on, who was playing, where the crew was, if evryone got paid, etc. But I didn't even give a s**t!! But, yeah, where did the time go?!! Whatever!! =) So, I had a lot of fun, and I really hope all of you who came did too! And I will see you @ Charity!!! Peace and love, Greg =) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 13:00:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA06058; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA06043; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holonet.net (root@guardian.holonet.net [198.207.169.11]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA17163 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from impactsf (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id MAA14217; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:59:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199610011959.MAA14217@holonet.net> Received: by impactsf.com (Claris OfficeMail 1.0) with SMTP; Tue, 01 Oct 1996 10:47:38 -0800 From: "Andre Lucero" Subject: Re: sLEEzA Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 10:55:50 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anarch wrote: >the >superiority of the Bay area rave scene's appeal to genuine maturity and >understanding, a result equally of its participants and its producers. I >hope, anyway, that the Bay area can sustain a rave scene whose appeal does >not depend on adolescent rebellion but on a real commitment to joy for all. > >anarch@scruznet.com Age does not necessarily determine a maturity factor. I know many people below the age of eighteen who have far more maturity than the majority of people who have an average age of twenty-three. Perhaps they are not as well versed in the ways of how to be a *cool* San Francisco *raver* (is this a good or bad term?), but they may be some really nice, genuine and interesting people. I understand if your experience is receiving bad interactions from these people, but if it's just from looking around and seeing how young these people are, isn't that being prejudiced? I remember being young too. I remember going to parties when I was young. Back then, I was treated with much more respect than the younger party goers are given now. Is it just me, or do you find there tends to be more attitude at 21+ nightclubs than at all ages raves? Hmmmm. Who's more mature? My 60 pesos, Andre From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 13:09:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA07176; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA07166; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from capt.hooked.net (moonpup@capt.hooked.net [206.80.6.46]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14290 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:09:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by capt.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA16561; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610012009.NAA16561@capt.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BSP - gear 4 sale Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Loads of people have been taking advantage of my mega sale....... heres a list of whats left....... records, cd's tapes. I have over 100 video tapes with movies, superbowls, world cup games etc.........I would be willing to part with the whole lot......to someone who needs to use them for re-recording over........... make me an offer.............. I still have my yamaha 250 exciter (1980/16,000 miles) excellent running condition.... I have a large phuton....... no frame I still have a waist high mini fridge lots of little nicknacks coffee grinder (well really a pot grinder) toaster pots & pans etc.... 13" color tv set with remote cd cases (case logic 30's & 60's) massive security cd case carpeted with space for 180 cd's in jewel cases......... tables denon cd mixer with pitch control & travel case........ sony reciever QSC 100 watt per channel amp I have a massive box of cables & connectors (heavy gage speaker wire, adapters, ac cables etc..........) anyway call or e-mail if interested 415-337-6666 moonpup From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 13:10:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA07274; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA07259; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greg (sjx-ca18-24.ix.netcom.com [199.35.223.184]) by mail.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA27899; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:10:33 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961001195234.00728ab8@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: ascend@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:52:34 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Gregory Sandler Subject: The present condition of Omar! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello again, I went to Reno yesterday to go see Omar. I did the marathon run (bad idea)! We left at 2pm and got there at 6pm, then left to come home at 11pm and got here at 4am... Uhhh... Never again!!! (at least with my car, the Metro, it was scarry) Anyways, he is doing a lot better!!! He is still in a coma, however he has the strength to open his eyes and move his body. He has begun to track with his eyes (which means he can recognize you and follow you as you walk around his bed). This is great news, because it is a major step towards him coming out of his coma!! But here is the bad news... The doctors think that due to nerve damage, (not brain damage) Omar has lost the use of his left arm. This is not a definate thing yet, but his left arm does not respond to stimuli nor does he move it at all. But we'll see what happens when he wakes up. But now the good news... I was at his bedside, and he was just moving around, trying to turnover or something, (he can't completely turn over cause the doctors have him tied to the bed right now). He was very spacey, and not really ever paying any attention to the fact that Matt and I where there. I don't really think he new we where there yet. But, I leaned over and grabbed his hand. He did not squeeze my hand in return. But then I started talking to him about what is happening to him, the support that he is getting from all of us, etc. And he stopped everything that he was doing. He stopped moving, he stopped blinking really fast, and he looked straight at me, squeezed my hand and got that face that Omar always makes when he is really interested in what you are talking about!! When he did this, I began to wonder if he new who I was or what the hell I was talking about. I asked him to squeeze my hand as hard as he could if he new who I was, and could recognize me. And he did!!! (It actually kinda hurt my hand) At moments, he was very attentive and alert, but then sometimes he would just pass out!!! We could not stay too long, cause it was getting late, and Matt had lost all of our money at the casino, so we left!!! But before we left, we went back to Omar's room to say goodby. I leaned over Omar and told him I was leaving, and he got this wierd look in his eyes. (like a "don't leave, I am scarred" look) So, I didn't want to just go like that... I looked at him and told him who much we all love him, and how we are all pulling for him, and he started getting a happy expression on his face again!!! I grabbed his arm, (as a sort of hug, cause you can't really hug him, his ribs are broken) trying to show him some sort of sign of strong love, and I said goodby. He then grabbed my arm, and actually pulled me down onto the bed, and gave me a hug!!! (or at least as good as he could with his arm tied to the bed) I was so fucking happy!!! He is still Omar!!! He understood that we are all here for him, and that he is being the recipient of a ton of positive energy!!! He looks a lot better than the last time I was there!!! (thank god) Matt has his own storries as well, so maybe when he gets home he will post about Omar too!! Also, I told Omar that I will be organizing a party for him. I asked him if he could squeeze my hand if he wanted it to happen, and he did!!! So, it is going to happen!!! Peace, Greg =) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 13:10:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA07355; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA07337; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA26189 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:41:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:41:53 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lowe To: SF-Raver Family Subject: (BSP) Benefit for Prop. 215 Friday Oct. 11 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Found this flyer up at the Anarchist Bookstore - it looks like quite possibly the widest variety of musical styles I've ever seen at a Bay Area rave. - --- Benefit for Proposition 215 Help Us Keep Hemp Alive DJs - Jonah Sharp - DRC - Ethan - Alex - Noel - Mars - Liquid Acrobat - DJ Flux - Sunflowerfish - Astral Matrix - Mystr-E - Bass Travelers - Theta Blip - Tracy - Turbo Ted - Gabreal - Pongoid - Polywog - El Ferato - O.S.T. - Gabber Dave Spoken Words: CBC Founder Dennis Peron - John Perry Barlow - Anzi - Story Tellers - Unknown Giants - The Exterminating Angel Visuals: Hyperdelic - Gateway - Peter Booth Lee Also: Free Food by Food Not Bombs - Chai Tea Friday October 11 9pm to 8am Cannabis Buyers Club 1444 Market St. San Francisco $10-$15 sliding scale donation bring canned food. for more info: 415 790 0083 http://www.marijuana.org - --- I may head out to this one just to hear Flux spin - it's been many months since I last heard any jungle at a party. For those who don't already know, Proposition 215 is California's Medical Marijuana Initiative, which was introduced in a reaction against the bust of the Cannabis Buyer's Club a couple of months ago (i think?) : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : :: celebrate the beauty of every day, :: :: experience wonder at the mundane.... :: :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMlFz5aD2AoV67volAQFuzwf/WIIWzEmJ8cPSKEDSxRtJEKz4qj9W6GdU 3MDv7t/9XQN8AVAVLDJjE82XG8whay/MRCDA94tQvBPMS+qW+GyafVNHYo+1Czsn nAbXl2PVlz/oUvZR9NENp8tTf3NmjNomHlt2DRdlHiTFEGxZ9r1ZX++oNlimbbXH Sz99+JCdZFl5gsA9sSu1mOdEQlfwNKBMUdYrL6iDnuUxS72MJ1db6rm771y2E1+d BdlFX1QRk1NI0LZpJ5CdWGOoyoqFfg2j6CiLcvV8sN1ZALgqkIaudn6tvRE/yLlU FqOTp1ftY8Dffvlwa4XOm2mEX67dnze5g8NMGIt0+ShYk0qJ4sZtwg== =SWOd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 13:12:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA07486; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA07462; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from capt.hooked.net (moonpup@capt.hooked.net [206.80.6.46]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14757; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:11:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by capt.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA16612; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610012011.NAA16612@capt.hooked.net> To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: The Leeza Show Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, Oct 1, 1996 12:17:16 PM at michal migurski wrote: >>Really sad > >missed it! > must see it! > who taped it? > >-m. he bro, was up with tape cover ??? I'm desperately waiting and running out of time.....moonpup From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 13:23:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA08619; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA08611; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA17206 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wck-ca11-10.ix.netcom.com (shawna-@wck-ca11-10.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.170]) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA25516 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:22:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:22:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960930131446.34672302@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (Frisco Freaks) From: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer Subject: Re: TRIBAL FUTURE Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >This years Tribal Future will be held at Fly Geiser, (one of the >lovely hot-springs near this year's burning man site) I was just wondering what was happening with TF. So who's going to this, anyway? I must confess to be a little disappointed at it not being at the same location as the one in June, and I'm not entirely prepared to do another 7 hour drive (what it took for us, stops included, to get from home to the actual BM site) to get there. And I must also confess a reluctance to go camp in the Nevada desert again, having just done so little more than a month ago (don't really feel like doing that till next BM, should it occur). Alas! I may have to pass on this one and just fill my three-day weekend (Columbus day, Bank holiday! woohoo!) with fun & frivolity on the homeward front... So what're you folks' plans for that merry weekend? Love, Shawna Do not go gentle into that good night. Rave! Rave into the dawning of the light! * * * * * * * * * * * * * \|/ * * * * --O-- * * * /|\ * \O/ | _____/_\_____ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 13:38:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA10013; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA10007; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id NAA04316; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:37:45 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960930131446.34672302@popd.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:37:41 -0800 To: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer , sfraves@hyperreal.com (Frisco Freaks) From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: TRIBAL FUTURE Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:22 PM -0700 10/1/96, The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer wrote: >So what're you folks' plans for that merry weekend? Cloud Factory Party... Don't have details on hand, and it's not on the web site calandar. Scott!? Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 14:09:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA12664; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA12650; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crl9.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA25516 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:10:09 -0700 Received: by crl9.crl.com id AA03014 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:07:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:07:20 -0700 (PDT) From: David Minuk To: blkadder@value.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: (NRR)Re: *ALERT* (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk One shouldn't re On Tue, 1 Oct 1996 blkadder@value.net wrote: > > I received the following forgery today. It is a variation on a pager scam > that has been going on, in which a person is paged with a number in the > 809 area code, and then ends up with a $25-$50 charge on their phone bill. > Just thought I would let you all know in case you receive a similar > message. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:01:26 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Global Communications"@demon.net > Subject: Unpaid account > > I am writing to give you a final 24hrs to settle your outstanding > account. If I have not received the settlement in full, I will > commence legal proceedings without further delay. If you would like > to discuss this matter to avoid court action, call Mike Murray > at Global Communications on +1 809 496 2700. > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 14:12:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA12880; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from einstein.hartnell.cc.ca.us by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA12868; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: AT572@jafar.hartnell.cc.ca.us Received: from jafar.hartnell.cc.ca.us by einstein.hartnell.cc.ca.us with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA25272; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:18:36 -0700 Received: from JAFAR/MERCQ by jafar.hartnell.cc.ca.us (Mercury 1.21); 1 Oct 96 14:13:29 PST8PDT Received: from MERCQ by JAFAR (Mercury 1.21); 1 Oct 96 14:13:02 PST8PDT Organization: Hartnell College To: ascend@ix.netcom.com Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:13:07 PST8PDT Subject: Re: The present condition of Omar! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.1.2) Message-Id: <2768CFA2485@jafar.hartnell.cc.ca.us> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:52:34 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Gregory Sandler Subject: The present condition of Omar! while i normally *lurk* on this list, just taking in the positive vibe, i was *so* moved by the following post that i just had to say something. i do not personally know gregory or matt. however, i have to say that i am so inspired by the love and genuine care that these guys (and many others i'm sure) have for a member of the family. i am relatively new to scene, at least as far as going to parties but i have been on this list since 06/01/96, although i did got to a harmony party held on a beach off highway 1 (in july, i think). i was the guy dancing on the rock in front of the arch. i am forever in awe and amazement at the display of positive vibe that this list has toward other people and life in general. even though i really don't have the time to go to parties, i am on this list because it is a way for me to feel connected to the beautiful people on this list. if only i could find the time, money, gas, etc to meet most of you and dance and hug and smile and share my love with you all. :-) when someone on the list posts something about a great party, even though i wasn't there... i see the smiles and hear the beat and feel the love. so to greg and matt and leslie and others like them (including john kawamoto who i met at the harmony party) i want to say: "keep spreading the vibe because you continually inspire not only me but i'm sure countless others." PLUR, --Aaron ajtoy/grinner ****************************************************************************** Hello again, I went to Reno yesterday to go see Omar. Anyways, he is doing a lot better!!! He is still in a coma, however he has the strength to open his eyes and move his body. He has begun to track with his eyes (which means he can recognize you and follow you as you walk around his bed). This is great news, because it is a major step towards him coming out of his coma!! But now the good news... But, I leaned over and grabbed his hand. He did not squeeze my hand in return. But then I started talking to him about what is happening to him, the support that he is getting from all of us, etc. And he stopped everything that he was doing. He stopped moving, he stopped blinking really fast, and he looked straight at me, squeezed my hand and got that face that Omar always makes when he is really interested in what you are talking about!! When he did this, I began to wonder if he new who I was or what the hell I was talking about. I asked him to squeeze my hand as hard as he could if he new who I was, and could recognize me. And he did!!! (It actually kinda hurt my hand) At moments, he was very attentive and alert, but then sometimes he would just pass out!!! I leaned over Omar and told him I was leaving, and he got this wierd look in his eyes. (like a "don't leave, I am scarred" look) So, I didn't want to just go like that... I looked at him and told him who much we all love him, and how we are all pulling for him, and he started getting a happy expression on his face again!!! I grabbed his arm, (as a sort of hug, cause you can't really hug him, his ribs are broken) trying to show him some sort of sign of strong love, and I said goodby. He then grabbed my arm, and actually pulled me down onto the bed, and gave me a hug!!! (or at least as good as he could with his arm tied to the bed) I was so fucking happy!!! He is still Omar!!! He understood that we are all here for him, and that he is being the recipient of a ton of positive energy!!! He looks a lot better than the last time I was there!!! (thank god) Peace, Greg =) _______________///////////////////_________________ Bring Out The Gimp \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ aaron toy 408.678.3013 home e-mail bgonzale@monterey.k12.ca.us ============================================================ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 14:54:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA16883; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA16870; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crl10.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA05236 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:55:03 -0700 Received: by crl10.crl.com id AA10016 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:48:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:47:59 -0700 (PDT) From: David Minuk To: blkadder@value.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: (NRR)Re: *ALERT* (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oops, meant to cancel that last message. David From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 15:07:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA18260; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA18238; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Civicgirl1@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA23009; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:05:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: <961001180532_322168278@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: aguevara@rely.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: wheRe'zZ aDaM???? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk RLunatic?? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 15:55:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA22762; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from viking.dvc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA22748; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by viking.dvc.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0v8Dmh-000cKaC; Tue, 1 Oct 96 15:59 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> To: Steve Morgan cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NRR! (But funny ;) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19961001192000.0093f234@slight.starlight.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HA HA HA! Funny joke!!!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 16:00:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA23335; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from viking.dvc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA23321; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by viking.dvc.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0v8DrY-000cKbC; Tue, 1 Oct 96 16:04 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> To: Andre Lucero cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: sLEEzA In-Reply-To: <199610011959.MAA14217@holonet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You definitely have a good point Andre! There are some parties where you go to, and you can see how immature some old the older people are, and there are some 21+ parties, where you see how stupid that particular person is acting . . . and this will never change! That's what makes the scene so diverse, the age, attitude, and maturity of all the people. Peace! On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Andre Lucero wrote: > Anarch wrote: > > >the > >superiority of the Bay area rave scene's appeal to genuine maturity and > >understanding, a result equally of its participants and its producers. I > >hope, anyway, that the Bay area can sustain a rave scene whose appeal does > >not depend on adolescent rebellion but on a real commitment to joy for all. > > > >anarch@scruznet.com > > Age does not necessarily determine a maturity factor. I know many people > below the age of eighteen who have far more maturity than the majority of > people who have an average age of twenty-three. Perhaps they are not as > well versed in the ways of how to be a *cool* San Francisco *raver* (is > this a good or bad term?), but they may be some really nice, genuine and > interesting people. > > I understand if your experience is receiving bad interactions from these > people, but if it's just from looking around and seeing how young these > people are, isn't that being prejudiced? I remember being young too. I > remember going to parties when I was young. Back then, I was treated > with much more respect than the younger party goers are given now. > > Is it just me, or do you find there tends to be more attitude at 21+ > nightclubs than at all ages raves? Hmmmm. Who's more mature? > > My 60 pesos, > Andre > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 16:02:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA23579; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from viking.dvc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA23571; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by viking.dvc.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0v8DtY-000cKbC; Tue, 1 Oct 96 16:06 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> To: David Lowe cc: SF-Raver Family Subject: Re: (BSP) Benefit for Prop. 215 Friday Oct. 11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk REMEMBER, VOTE YES ON PROP. 215 ON ELECTION DAY, ALL YOU FELLOW HUMANOIDS! On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, David Lowe wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Found this flyer up at the Anarchist Bookstore - it looks like quite > possibly the widest variety of musical styles I've ever seen at a Bay Area > rave. > > - --- > > Benefit for Proposition 215 > Help Us Keep Hemp Alive > > DJs - Jonah Sharp - DRC - Ethan - Alex - Noel - Mars - Liquid Acrobat - > DJ Flux - Sunflowerfish - Astral Matrix - Mystr-E - Bass Travelers - > Theta Blip - Tracy - Turbo Ted - Gabreal - Pongoid - Polywog - El Ferato - > O.S.T. - Gabber Dave > > Spoken Words: CBC Founder Dennis Peron - John Perry Barlow - Anzi - > Story Tellers - Unknown Giants - The Exterminating Angel > > Visuals: Hyperdelic - Gateway - Peter Booth Lee > Also: Free Food by Food Not Bombs - Chai Tea > > Friday October 11 > 9pm to 8am > Cannabis Buyers Club > 1444 Market St. > San Francisco > > $10-$15 sliding scale donation bring canned food. > for more info: 415 790 0083 http://www.marijuana.org > > - --- > > I may head out to this one just to hear Flux spin - it's been many months > since I last heard any jungle at a party. > For those who don't already know, Proposition 215 is California's Medical > Marijuana Initiative, which was introduced in a reaction against the bust > of the Cannabis Buyer's Club a couple of months ago (i think?) > > : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : > :: celebrate the beauty of every day, :: > :: experience wonder at the mundane.... :: > :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQEVAwUBMlFz5aD2AoV67volAQFuzwf/WIIWzEmJ8cPSKEDSxRtJEKz4qj9W6GdU > 3MDv7t/9XQN8AVAVLDJjE82XG8whay/MRCDA94tQvBPMS+qW+GyafVNHYo+1Czsn > nAbXl2PVlz/oUvZR9NENp8tTf3NmjNomHlt2DRdlHiTFEGxZ9r1ZX++oNlimbbXH > Sz99+JCdZFl5gsA9sSu1mOdEQlfwNKBMUdYrL6iDnuUxS72MJ1db6rm771y2E1+d > BdlFX1QRk1NI0LZpJ5CdWGOoyoqFfg2j6CiLcvV8sN1ZALgqkIaudn6tvRE/yLlU > FqOTp1ftY8Dffvlwa4XOm2mEX67dnze5g8NMGIt0+ShYk0qJ4sZtwg== > =SWOd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 16:20:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA25336; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA25328; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net (mail2.zocalo.net [157.22.1.18]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA17465 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19148 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09811 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:19:24 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:25:37 -0800 To: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: sLEEzA Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >You definitely have a good point Andre! There are some parties where you >go to, and you can see how immature some old the older people are, and >there are some 21+ parties, where you see how stupid that particular >person is acting . . . That's why I drink whiskey when I rave. Keeps fire in my gut and my head on straight! a 21+'er, -b))merang and this will never change! That's what makes the >scene so diverse, the age, attitude, and maturity of all the people. Peace! > > >On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Andre Lucero wrote: > >> Anarch wrote: >> >> >the >> >superiority of the Bay area rave scene's appeal to genuine maturity and >> >understanding, a result equally of its participants and its producers. I >> >hope, anyway, that the Bay area can sustain a rave scene whose appeal does >> >not depend on adolescent rebellion but on a real commitment to joy for all. >> > >> >anarch@scruznet.com >> >> Age does not necessarily determine a maturity factor. I know many people >> below the age of eighteen who have far more maturity than the majority of >> people who have an average age of twenty-three. Perhaps they are not as >> well versed in the ways of how to be a *cool* San Francisco *raver* (is >> this a good or bad term?), but they may be some really nice, genuine and >> interesting people. >> >> I understand if your experience is receiving bad interactions from these >> people, but if it's just from looking around and seeing how young these >> people are, isn't that being prejudiced? I remember being young too. I >> remember going to parties when I was young. Back then, I was treated >> with much more respect than the younger party goers are given now. >> >> Is it just me, or do you find there tends to be more attitude at 21+ >> nightclubs than at all ages raves? Hmmmm. Who's more mature? >> >> My 60 pesos, >> Andre >> >> >> >> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 16:44:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA27237; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA27230; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from drenalin@localhost) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07770; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:00:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Nelson cc: Frisco Freaks Subject: (BSP) Planetarium a Cloud Factory camping trip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Tony Rotundo wrote: > Cloud Factory Party... > Don't have details on hand, and it's not on the web site calandar. Scott!? Here's the info that Tony was asking about --> October 12 and 13th Planetarium a Cloud Factory camping trip $15 proceeds split 50/50 btwn Cloud Factory sound fund and Omar's Healing Fund djs confirmed so far are (this is on two systems) ... ... jason (sd), spinsilver, jeff (lettuce dance), astronaut scott, mike clay (live), brian flipp, k-go (st. louis), tim/jeremy (live), swoops, stonie, christian, sig/tina, gizmo (eug, or), lee (harmony), drenalin, jeyson, the inTIMidator, cloud, deaks, joe rice (plus one), brad (c-lab), maya, monty, (to be confirmed still) ... john carel, moonpup, gabba dave This event is going to be about 3 hours north of SF on privately owned land. The location is in the north of Sonoma county, there is a 9 mile dirt road up to the property. We recommend a car that you trust, we'll have some more coherent suggestions regarding what to bring/how to travel, etc. sometime this or next week. We have djs scheduled from noon sat. until noon Sunday, we highly suggest getting an early start so you can see the sunset, which is one of the most amazing parts of this space. The space is literally on top of a mountain and the view is a nice 360 one. You can see a couple pictures of the site at http://www.cloudfactory.org/planetarium.html We are having the tickets printed today and hope to have some out in stores for presale next week, I'll send out a post when that materializes! If you have any questions just send me some email. love drenalin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 16:47:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA27664; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA27639; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23701; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:44:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: tom got no mail... To: everyone cc: Dave Bayer , Happy Ravers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk about the last day or two i didnt get any messages cuz this server crashed. if anyone tried to get a hold of me, please resend it. thanks. ->ahau<- tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 16:53:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA28237; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA28230; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA17536 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gebco.ix.netcome.com (str-ca2-04.ix.netcom.com [207.93.43.68]) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA22178 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:51:59 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961001235638.006666b4@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: c9d@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 16:56:38 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Micron Subject: testing Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk why isn't my mail posting????? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 17:21:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA09661; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sundance.sjsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA09644; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcs02 (mcs02.SJSU.EDU [130.65.85.3]) by sundance.sjsu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with SMTP id RAA05248; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:21:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Benedict Simeon Pereira X-Sender: pere0103@mcs02 To: Randy C Cone cc: sfraves Subject: Re: B-Day Party (partial review) found items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk that was heck of a job on the ambient room, thanks for the trip... i'm still overwhlemed by greg's b-day party and am bouncing off walls waiting for charity this week..... it's gonna be a blast hope to see you all there. o yeah back to the interactive ambient room concept, i do believe u should explore the posibilities->Randy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 18:40:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA16582; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA16551; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wck-ca11-03.ix.netcom.com (shawna-@wck-ca11-03.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.163]) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA18530 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:39:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:39:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960930183148.390fbe62@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (Frisco Freaks) From: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer Subject: (NRR) FWD> funny soap story Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Somebody forwarded this to me at work, thought it amusing! Love, Shawna > What to Do With Hotel Soap >> >> The following letters are taken from an actual incident between a London >> hotel and one of it's guests. The Hotel ended up submitting the letters to >> the London Sunday Times! >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Maid, >> >> Please do not leave any more of those little bars of soap in my >>bathroom since I have brought my own bath-sized Dial. Please remove the six >>unopened little bars from the shelf under the medicine chest and another >>three in the shower soap dish. They are in my way. >> >>Thank you, >>S. Berman >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Room 635, >> >> I am not your regular maid. She will be back tomorrow, Thursday, from >>her day off. I took the 3 hotel soaps out of the shower soap dish as you >>requested. The 6 bars on your shelf I took out of your way and put on top >>of your Kleenex dispenser in case you should change your mind. This leaves >>only the 3 bars I left today which my instructions from the management is >>to leave 3 soaps daily. I hope this is satisfactory. >> >>Kathy, Relief Maid >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Maid - I hope you are my regular maid. >> >> Apparently Kathy did not tell you about my note to her concerning the >>little bars of soap. When I got back to my room this evening I found you >>had added 3 little Camays to the shelf under my medicine cabinet. I am >>going to be here in the hotel for two weeks and have brought my own >>bath-size Dial so I won't need those 6 little Camays which are on the >>shelf. They are in my way when shaving, brushing teeth, etc. Please remove >>them. >> >>S. Berman >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Mr. Berman, >> >> My day off was last Wed. so the relief maid left 3 hotel soaps which >>we are instructed by the management. I took the 6 soaps which were in your >>way on the shelf and put them in the soap dish where your Dial was. I put >>the Dial in the medicine cabinet for your convenience. I didn't remove the >>3 complimentary soaps which are always placed inside the medicine cabinet >>for all new check-ins and which you did not object to when you checked in >>last Monday. Please let me know if I can of further assistance. >> >>Your regular maid, >>Dotty >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Mr. Berman, >> >> The assistant manager, Mr. Kensedder, informed me this morning that >>you called him last evening and said you were unhappy with your maid >>service. I have assigned a new girl to your room. I hope you will accept my >>apologies for any past inconvenience. If you have any future complaints >>please contact me so I can give it my personal attention. Call extension >>1108 between 8AM and 5PM.Thank you. >> >>Elaine Carmen >>Housekeeper >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Miss Carmen, >> >> It is impossible to contact you by phone since I leave the hotel for >>business at 7:45 AM and don't get back before 5:30 or 6PM. That's the >>reason I called Mr. Kensedder last night. You were already off duty. I only >>asked Mr. Kensedder if he could do anything about those little bars of >>soap. The new maid you assigned me must have thought I was a new check-in >>today, since she left another 3 bars of hotel soap in my medicine cabinet >>along with her regular delivery of 3 bars on the bath-room shelf. In just 5 >>days here I have accumulated 24 little bars of soap. Why are you doing this >>to me? >> >>S. Berman >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Mr. Berman, >> >> Your maid, Kathy, has been instructed to stop delivering soap to your >>room and remove the extra soaps. If I can be of further assistance, please >>call extension 1108 between 8AM and 5PM.Thank you, >> >>Elaine Carmen, >>Housekeeper >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Mr. Kensedder, >> >> My bath-size Dial is missing. Every bar of soap was taken from my room >>including my own bath-size Dial. I came in late last night and had to call >>the bellhop to bring me 4 little Cashmere Bouquets. >> >>S. Berman >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Mr. Berman, >> >> I have informed our housekeeper, Elaine Carmen, of your soap problem. >>I cannot understand why there was no soap in your room since our maids are >>instructed to leave 3 bars of soap each time they service a room. The >>situation will be rectified immediately. Please accept my apologies for the >>inconvenience. >> >>Martin L. Kensedder >>Assistant Manager >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Mrs. Carmen, >> >> Who the hell left 54 little bars of Camay in my room? I came in last >>night and found 54 little bars of soap. I don't want 54 little bars of >>Camay. I want my one damn bar of bath-size Dial. Do you realize I have 54 >>bars of soap in here. All I want is my bath size Dial. Please give me back >>my bath-size Dial. >> >>S. Berman >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Mr. Berman, >> >> You complained of too much soap in your room so I had them removed. >>Then you complained to Mr. Kensedder that all your soap was missing so I >>personally returned them. The 24 Camays which had been taken and the 3 >>Camays you are supposed to receive daily. I don't know anything about the 4 >>Cashmere Bouquets. Obviously your maid, Kathy, did not know I had returned >>your soaps so she also brought 24 Camays plus the 3 daily Camays. I don't >>know where you got the idea this hotel issues bath-size Dial. I was able to >>locate some bath-size Ivory which I left in your room. >> >>Elaine Carmen >>Housekeeper >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Mrs. Carmen, >> >>Just a short note to bring you up-to-date on my latest soap inventory. As >>of today I possess: >> >> - On the shelf under medicine cabinet - 18 Camay in 4 stacks of 4 and >> 1 stack of 2. >> >> - On the Kleenex dispenser - 11 Camay in 2 stacks of 4 and 1 stack of >> 3. >> >> - On the bedroom dresser - 1 stack of 3 Cashmere Bouquet, >> >> - 1 stack of 4 hotel-size Ivory, and 8 Camay in 2 stacks of 4. >> >> - Inside the medicine cabinet - 14 Camay in 3 stacks of 4 and 1 stack >> of 2. >> >> - In the shower soap dish - 6 Camay, very moist. >> >> - On the northeast corner of tub - 1 Cashmere Bouquet, slightly used. >> >> - On the northwest corner of tub - 6 Camays in 2 stacks of 3. >> >> Please ask Kathy when she services my room to make sure the stacks are >>neatly piled and dusted. Also, please advise her that stacks of more than 4 >>have a tendency to tip. May I suggest that my bedroom window sill is not in >>use and will make an excellent spot for future soap deliveries. One more >>item, I have purchased another bar of bath-sized Dial which I am keeping in >>the hotel vault in order to avoid further misunderstandings. >> >>S. Berman >> > >--OzDd7543jYsMQqqUQpT7Sycu3q5xbM5B-- > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 18:50:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA17550; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgate.metricom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA17543; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.155.43.45] (simi00-15.ca.qnet.com [207.155.43.45]) by rgate.metricom.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA19604; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610020148.SAA19604@rgate.metricom.com> Subject: Building a Better Soapbox Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 19:02:08 -0700 x-sender: deeje@ricochet.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: deeje To: "SFRaves" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all I saw this other other day and thought of the NRR discussion: "The = Web Makes a Better Soapbox than a Mailing List" just a thought=8A deeje ***********************************************************************= deeje cooley Journeyman = Software deeje@pobox.com Makers of = PuppetTime(tm) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 18:50:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA17584; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgate.metricom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA17578; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.155.43.45] (simi00-15.ca.qnet.com [207.155.43.45]) by rgate.metricom.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA19627; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610020148.SAA19627@rgate.metricom.com> Subject: Soapbox Spetember 1996 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 19:02:21 -0700 x-sender: deeje@ricochet.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: deeje To: "SFRaves" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, I've set up a website at and have organized a monthly collection of essays, short stories, humor, painting, and animations that I really really want to share with the SFRaves list. Why? Because from just two raves (both Harmony), you all have touched me profoundly, and probably don't even know it. This is an extension of my expressiveness at raves. In fact, I wrote a short story about my first two experiences, and I would love for all of you to read it. Also, I have asked if I could include a post by KaySEE, because it was just so well worded! Please, visit. I hope it brings a smile. Thanks, peace, and love, deeje *********************************************************************** deeje cooley Journeyman Software deeje@pobox.com Makers of PuppetTime(tm) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 18:50:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA17641; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgate.metricom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA17596; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.155.43.45] (simi00-15.ca.qnet.com [207.155.43.45]) by rgate.metricom.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA19632 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610020148.SAA19632@rgate.metricom.com> Subject: Greg's B-day, another (re)view Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 19:02:25 -0700 x-sender: deeje@ricochet.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: deeje To: "SFRaves" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, I don't want to waste a lot of bandwidth, but would just like to say... That was one hellova party! Thanks! peace and love, deeje From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 19:02:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA18699; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cruzio.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA18689; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pine176.cruzio.com by cruzio.com id aa17262; 1 Oct 96 18:47 PDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961002015014.00ed03fc@mail.cruzio.com> X-Sender: abennett@mail.cruzio.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 18:50:14 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Andrew Bennett Subject: Re: Filters! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 09:13 PM 9/28/96 -0800, "Sun W. Kim" wrote: > >The new Beta version of Eudora (3.0.1) has filter capabilities so my >problem with NRR stuff is solved. Anyone can get a free copy from >http://www.qualcomm.com. Thanks again for your willingness to help. The beta version will probably expire in 30/60/90 days too. Try setting your computer date ahead a year and see if it still works. Just enough time to get you hooked on a beta package. :) Eudora Pro 2.2 has the capabilities of filtering as well. I live by it. I picked up my copy online for $49 recently, and I get a free upgrade to 3.0 when it gets released. Andrew -- Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@cruzio.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 20:17:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA25996; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA25981; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.86.220.227 (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA11577 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:01:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3251DC65.2789@best.com> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 20:07:17 -0700 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR: day#2- no meat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It's kinda slow tonight, so I'd just like to share with you that I'm on my second day sans meat! yippee. -peace- alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 20:22:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA26344; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email.sjsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA26338; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athens (athens [130.65.3.10]) by email.sjsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23833 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dhiren P. Dasu" X-Sender: udu00726@athens To: sfraves Subject: lookig for libby or rick Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is there anybody out there? I am looking for either Libby or Rick's phone # or e-mail address. They are both involved with putting on Charity this weekend. I would appreciate it if anyone forwarded a contact # or address. Thank you all in advance Hugz Dhiren From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 20:27:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA26709; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA26703; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA29431; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:26:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.sfsu.edu: star owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:26:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Gregory Sandler cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: The present condition of Omar! In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19961001195234.00728ab8@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Greg, This is really good to hear! I don't recall whether I ever met Omar, but I've been thinking of him since Burning Man, and I'm glad to hear you say he responded and may be recovering. I guess there's not much else to say. Happy (belated) birthday & best wishes, <<< Starchild >>> My computer tells me that on Tue, 1 Oct 1996, you shared: > Hello again, > > I went to Reno yesterday to go see Omar. I did the marathon run (bad > idea)! We left at 2pm and got there at 6pm, then left to come home at 11pm > and got here at 4am... Uhhh... Never again!!! (at least with my car, the > Metro, it was scarry) > > Anyways, he is doing a lot better!!! He is still in a coma, however > he has the strength to open his eyes and move his body. He has begun to > track with his eyes (which means he can recognize you and follow you as you > walk around his bed). This is great news, because it is a major step towards > him coming out of his coma!! But here is the bad news... The doctors think > that due to nerve damage, (not brain damage) Omar has lost the use of his > left arm. This is not a definate thing yet, but his left arm does not > respond to stimuli nor does he move it at all. But we'll see what happens > when he wakes up. But now the good news... > > I was at his bedside, and he was just moving around, trying to > turnover or something, (he can't completely turn over cause the doctors have > him tied to the bed right now). He was very spacey, and not really ever > paying any attention to the fact that Matt and I where there. I don't really > think he new we where there yet. But, I leaned over and grabbed his hand. He > did not squeeze my hand in return. But then I started talking to him about > what is happening to him, the support that he is getting from all of us, > etc. And he stopped everything that he was doing. He stopped moving, he > stopped blinking really fast, and he looked straight at me, squeezed my hand > and got that face that Omar always makes when he is really interested in > what you are talking about!! When he did this, I began to wonder if he new > who I was or what the hell I was talking about. I asked him to squeeze my > hand as hard as he could if he new who I was, and could recognize me. And > he did!!! (It actually kinda hurt my hand) At moments, he was very attentive > and alert, but then sometimes he would just pass out!!! > > We could not stay too long, cause it was getting late, and Matt had > lost all of our money at the casino, so we left!!! But before we left, we > went back to Omar's room to say goodby. I leaned over Omar and told him I > was leaving, and he got this wierd look in his eyes. (like a "don't leave, I > am scarred" look) So, I didn't want to just go like that... I looked at him > and told him who much we all love him, and how we are all pulling for him, > and he started getting a happy expression on his face again!!! I grabbed his > arm, (as a sort of hug, cause you can't really hug him, his ribs are broken) > trying to show him some sort of sign of strong love, and I said goodby. He > then grabbed my arm, and actually pulled me down onto the bed, and gave me a > hug!!! (or at least as good as he could with his arm tied to the bed) I was > so fucking happy!!! He is still Omar!!! He understood that we are all here > for him, and that he is being the recipient of a ton of positive energy!!! > He looks a lot better than the last time I was there!!! (thank god) > > Matt has his own storries as well, so maybe when he gets home he > will post about Omar too!! Also, I told Omar that I will be organizing a > party for him. I asked him if he could squeeze my hand if he wanted it to > happen, and he did!!! So, it is going to happen!!! > > Peace, > > Greg =) > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 20:42:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA27894; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA27888; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Hughdhyana@aol.com Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA22837 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 23:41:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 23:41:36 -0400 Message-ID: <961001234135_534936931@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: What's the latest on...??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I was just wondering about a couple of events that are coming up. -What's the latest on Friends and Family? -Anybody know about a party at Bonnie Dune? I've heard good things. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 21:43:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA02259; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA02250; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.134.240.54] (ppp054-sc0.sirius.com [205.134.240.54]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id VAA28466 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:42:50 -0700 X-Sender: ebe@pop.sirius.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:40:45 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ebe@sirius.com (Lucas Rodenbush) Subject: COME TO CHARITY! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk * * HARMONY * * GATEWAY SYSTEMS * * MERIDIAN * * CLOUD FACTORY * * PRO-SOY "The Journey of a Thousand Miles begins with One Step..." Come Take the First Step with Us... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * C H A R I T Y * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * FRIDAY, OCTOBER 4, 1996 * * * * * * * * * * * * * With DJs: ZACH, ETHAN, JOHN CAREL, CLOUD, TIM CONWAY, DEAKS, DUTCH, TRENT, MATT RICH, SHOAM, BENJI, HUEY, SERENITY, STONEY, BONNIE, PETE NICE, LUCAS... This event is a collection of love. It is not only a place of fun, but of help. We are all dedicated to the healing of our People, our Environment, and our Consciousness. 60% of our proceeds will go to L.A.C.Y. (Legal Advocates for Children and Youth) and AIDS Legal Services and the remaining 40% will go towards throwing an even better party. We will be collecting food, clothing and toys for underprivileged young ravers who are still too young to dance with us. Please bring your love and compassion to this event. -- Namaste (we honor the light within you) 408.486.9591 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 21:50:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA02704; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from morph.wicked.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA02697; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.162.25.17] by morph.wicked.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:51:31 -0700 X-Sender: markie@wicked.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:51:31 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: markie@wicked.com (Markie) Subject: Calender Addition Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The folks from Planet Orgo are presenting another F'Tumsh! this thursday (3rd October) featuring Markie and Tracey in the Raw. They can be found on boarding the Orgon shuttlecraft. Acheived through the time portal located through the door of 414 Haight Street. Earthlings know this as the Top. First shuttle leaves at 10pm earth time and may return sometime this side of yesterday. Thursday 17 October an unusual phenonemon may also be observed by the very wary. Space Dog Felix and Star Cat Andre Lucero will be performing their molecular motion rituals. Bring a test tube and someone to hold your hand. Holy Lord of the Grand Vacuum F'Tumsh blesses you all. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 1 22:10:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA04208; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA04199; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA19232; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:09:52 -0700 (PDT) To: Alex cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NRR: day#2- no meat In-Reply-To: <3251DC65.2789@best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Alex wrote: > It's kinda slow tonight, so I'd just like to share with you that I'm on > my second day sans meat! yippee. > -peace- Does that mean all us flesh renders can come over and raid your fridge? ;-) Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 00:13:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA12690; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 00:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id AAA12684; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 00:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wck-ca4-25.ix.netcom.com (shawna-@wck-ca4-25.ix.netcom.com [199.35.213.153]) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA10356 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 00:12:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 00:12:25 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961001000509.34672e6e@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (Frisco Freaks) From: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer Subject: Re: NRR: day#2- no meat Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> It's kinda slow tonight, so I'd just like to share with you that I'm on >> my second day sans meat! yippee. >> -peace- > >Does that mean all us flesh renders can come over and raid your fridge? >;-) Meatparty at Alex's!! Woohoo!! We can point & laugh & throw lentils at the vegetarians! :) (just kidding! I'm working on vegetarianism myself) Love, Shawna Do not go gentle into that good night. Rave! Rave into the dawning of the light! * * * * * * * * * * * * * \|/ * * * * --O-- * * * /|\ * \O/ | _____/_\_____ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 00:26:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA13428; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 00:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id AAA13422; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 00:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Digumo@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA11950 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 03:25:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 03:25:42 -0400 Message-ID: <961002032542_298772580@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Yes...I'm a newbie Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello netpeople and techno lovers (at least I hope so) As the title indicates I am a newbie to this list. I have been getting the email but haven't had the time to contribute. I just moved to this area (I'm in Livermore - East Bay) back in January of this year. Previously I lived in Texas, but not born there...just going to school. I have always loved techno/rave/synth music. Most of my friends couldn't understand how I could listen to it hour after hour. I'm not really looking to get too deeply into the rave scene and am looking for friends to email directly. I am looking for an older crowd and honestly can't say I have gotten a sense of the age range of this list. I am assuming all ages are represented here. I'm 25 and enjoy the music for the music. I have never really been in the scene because I never had that environment or opportunity around me. I would enjoying trying out some clubs and or a couple raves...but don't have any friends that like the same type of music. So I'm writing this email. If you have room for one more friend that likes the same type of music then I would love to get to know some people. I have a lot of talents and would like to get to know things about other people with the same interests. I work in the software industry so technology is a love. Please email me personally or post a reply to this list (if you don't mind the superfluous traffic) If you wanna flame me then send that one personally also. Thanks for sharing my same interests! Sincerely, Matt Petrowsky From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 01:32:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id BAA17040; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id BAA17033; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greg (sjx-ca68-14.ix.netcom.com [207.92.150.78]) by mail.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id BAA27370; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:32:46 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961002081504.0069cef8@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: ascend@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 01:15:04 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Gregory Sandler Subject: CHARITY is a must!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I just wanted to say that I think everyone on list list should show their faces at this Friday's CHARITY party!!! This party has such good intensions and is surrounded with so much positive energy!!! You have to come!!!! Come on... Rave today, for a better tomorrow!!! There are a lot of people involved with this production, so it's gonna be insane!!! Call the info line for more info!!! (408)486-9591 (don't be fooled by the area code, the party is in S.F.) Peace and positivity, Greg =) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 01:32:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id BAA17060; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id BAA17055; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.106.63.240] (mac950.zone.org [199.106.63.240]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id BAA19676; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610020832.BAA19676@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:42:49 -0800 To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: The Leeza Show Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>Really sad > >missed it! > must see it! > who taped it? > Saw it... Also saw myself in the audience.... was wearing the bright Tie Die shirt.... Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 02:07:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id CAA19962; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 02:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id CAA19957; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 02:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Wed, 2 Oct 96 02:19 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961002090410.094f3bd8@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:04:10 -0700 To: Milton Cecil From: Freak Zone Subject: Re: BSP - gear 4 sale Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >coffee grinder (well really a pot grinder) You use one too, eh? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 02:12:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id CAA20322; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 02:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id CAA20316; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 02:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Wed, 2 Oct 96 02:24 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961002090920.27277cba@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:09:20 -0700 To: Alex From: Freak Zone Subject: Re: NRR: day#2- no meat Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 08:07 PM 10/1/96 -0700, Alex wrote: >It's kinda slow tonight, so I'd just like to share with you that I'm on >my second day sans meat! yippee. >-peace- >alex > Good for you! Keep it up! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 05:32:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id FAA07541; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 05:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id FAA07534; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 05:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id FAA10130 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 05:30:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 05:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lowe To: SF-Raver Family Subject: Re: CHARITY is a must!!! In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19961002081504.0069cef8@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Gregory Sandler wrote: > I just wanted to say that I think everyone on list list should show > their faces at this Friday's CHARITY party!!! This party has such good > intensions and is surrounded with so much positive energy!!! You have to > come!!!! Come on... Rave today, for a better tomorrow!!! There are a lot of > people involved with this production, so it's gonna be insane!!! Call the > info line for more info!!! And for you tauruses out there, if you still hadn't made up your mind, an excerpt from our horoscope a couple of days ago: "... attending a charity event could put you in touch with a fascinating newcomer ..." Yipppeeeeee!! See ya there! : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : :"Time never started at all. Chaos never died. The Empire was never: : founded. We are not now & never have been slaves to the past or : : hostages to the future." -Hakim Bey, /T.A.Z./ : :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMlJgQ6D2AoV67volAQEjMQf+KyhwHqmUrAP0zL4VzcSbT2NgtWsDSZes 0bFbTeAQPcSPzZeQBxRoihXh35J9TriJfu7p2Ac/W8WJhy/pEyYYm56jToEvG3Tu zCD41TVVwKQSPRMRN3f2qOgp1cbAyjnb3PFvX7TTps9kYPy4CXKR1mlipDFKR/xq KmhABQle0faSgROOxlzGIJXG7gKG8L3rMD1m6ngSDE0EdSCeQxc7y01axzq2fC+k UI+C70QSo6VqWDOOHcTJTpNVUWT/r9hhIDFxFdrWmBwxqiAYJBtmuDd2jSf/shYh rDuPdvSVgf3nfgb5TiSKeCiK6xQddtRHjuN2w+I3UDD7699RrWKa6Q== =iRPw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 08:05:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA18124; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA18110; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net (mail3.zocalo.net [157.22.1.19]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA21642 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03207 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25515 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:04:17 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:10:32 -0800 To: Digumo@aol.com From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: Yes...I'm a newbie Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Matt, There ain't no such thing as a newbie. We've all been here before. Hence the name, b))merang >Hello netpeople and techno lovers (at least I hope so) > >As the title indicates I am a newbie to this list. I have been getting >the email but haven't had the time to contribute. I just moved to this >area (I'm in Livermore - East Bay) back in January of this year. > >Previously I lived in Texas, but not born there...just going to school. I >have always loved techno/rave/synth music. Most of my friends couldn't >understand how I could listen to it hour after hour. > >I'm not really looking to get too deeply into the rave scene and am >looking for friends to email directly. I am looking for an older crowd >and honestly can't say I have gotten a sense of the age range of this >list. I am assuming all ages are represented here. I'm 25 and enjoy the >music for the music. I have never really been in the scene because I >never had that environment or opportunity around me. > >I would enjoying trying out some clubs and or a couple raves...but don't >have any friends that like the same type of music. > >So I'm writing this email. If you have room for one more friend that >likes the same type of music then I would love to get to know some >people. I have a lot of talents and would like to get to know things >about other people with the same interests. I work in the software >industry so technology is a love. > >Please email me personally or post a reply to this list (if you don't >mind the superfluous traffic) >If you wanna flame me then send that one personally also. > >Thanks for sharing my same interests! > >Sincerely, > >Matt Petrowsky From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 08:08:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA18387; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA18364; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <541209(3)>; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:07:51 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:07:51 PDT From: "Otto Matic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Test Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <96Oct2.080751pdt.541209(3)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:07:51 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Nothing works otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 08:17:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA19372; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA19332; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wck-ca4-24.ix.netcom.com (shawna-@wck-ca4-24.ix.netcom.com [199.35.213.152]) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA08616 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:16:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:16:33 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961001080806.2a97f794@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (Frisco Freaks) From: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer Subject: Re: The Leeza Show Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>>Really sad >> >>missed it! >> must see it! >> who taped it? >> >Saw it... Also saw myself in the audience.... was wearing the >bright Tie Die shirt.... Yeah, and did anybody notice that they got a real good close up of CT & Madame Mercury in the audience with Crunch on the left? Gosh I'm surrounded by stars! *swoon* ;) -s Do not go gentle into that good night. Rave! Rave into the dawning of the light! * * * * * * * * * * * * * \|/ * * * * --O-- * * * /|\ * \O/ | _____/_\_____ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 08:24:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA20105; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA20098; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <541263(2)>; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:24:18 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:24:14 PDT From: "Otto Matic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Test. NRR Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <96Oct2.082418pdt.541263(2)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:24:16 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey! I was wrong. It Works! >Nothing works > > otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 09:30:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA25690; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA25681; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 708714093 by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id JAA25201; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:32:34 -0700 Message-ID: <32529887.1E72@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:30:00 -0700 From: ameba Reply-To: abema@ix.netcom.com Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Another free Santa Cruz Rave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sunday, October 6th -- Free Party -- Santa Cruz area Jay Hartley, Rob, Pasta, Daniel V 2pm til 10pm ... (408) 425-3182 -- salutations, al _____________________________________ ameba 1732 haight street sf ca 94117 mailto:ameba@netcom.com http://www.ameba.com | \ 415.750.9368 | \ ===================================== | / | / From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 09:41:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA26941; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA26933; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg128-196.ricochet.net [204.179.128.196]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA29201 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:31:04 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961002162942.0068d050@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:29:42 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: address for suzie kameny Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- anyone have an e-mail address for suzie kameny? matthew d. p. k. lanier professional hugger and empath mdpkl@best.com 415-752-3218 _______ / \ / o o \ | ^ | | | ___ \ \_/ / ___ __(___\ \__ __/ /___)__ (______ \________\ /_________/ ______) (_______ ____________________ _______) (______ / \ ______) (_____/ \_____) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 10:17:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA01091; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.exodus.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA01082; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:17:49 -0700 (PDT) From: elizabeth_o'connor@ccmail.rsco.com Received: from ccmail.rsco.com ([206.79.48.5]) by mail2.exodus.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21258 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:16:12 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.rsco.com id AA844276091; Wed, 02 Oct 96 10:06:40 PST Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96 10:06:40 PST Message-Id: <9609028442.AA844276091@ccmail.rsco.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR - But if you like cats... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have two wonderful kitties who are looking for a new room-mate. Their owner is moving and can't take the cats with her. Here's a description: 2 two year old brothers, both are smokey grey, one's fluffy and the other's short-haired, both neutered, have had regular shots, flea treatments etc. But most importantly they are soooo cute and wonderful and love to sit in your lap, curl up and get chin rubs. If anyone out there can adopt 2 wonderful new friends please mail me back. p.s. they have beds, combs, collars and all the stuff they need. Thanks everyone! -------->Liz. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 10:33:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA02818; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass-station.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA02792; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.76.139.151] by bass-station.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:27:17 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Ethan Miller Subject: Re: COME TO CHARITY! Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:27:17 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 4:40 AM -0000 10/2/96, Lucas Rodenbush wrote: >With DJs: ZACH, ETHAN, JOHN CAREL, CLOUD, TIM CONWAY, DEAKS, DUTCH, TRENT, >MATT > > RICH, SHOAM, BENJI, HUEY, SERENITY, STONEY, BONNIE, PETE NICE, >LUCAS... Unfortuantely, a lack of clear communication as to dates on charity's part leaves me double booked for this friday, aargh. I will definitiely be playing at Pacific's party and maybe at charity as well if the times can jive. hope to see you somewhere; both parties should be killer =) ethan ---------- --------------------------------------------------- ---------- ---------- ------------------( ethan miller )----------------- ---------- ---------- ----------( http://www.bass-station.com )---------- ---------- ---------- -------------( only users lose drugs )------------- ---------- ---------- --------------------------------------------------- ---------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 10:33:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA02879; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misnt1.rely.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA02872; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by misnt1.rely.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBB04D.07B4F250@misnt1.rely.com>; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:32:37 -0700 Message-ID: From: Adam Guevara To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" Subject: Raver In Need (NRR...) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:32:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Well I know that this guy isn't Mr Popularity on this list, but he is in need, and has requested my assistance in posting this message. I do consider him a nice guy, save a few flaws.. However We all have flaws in this cycle... So Without further ado.... Mr. Brian Darkness is in need of a place to stay for a few days to a week. He did state to me that he is willing to pay for the time he stays and is in somewhat of a dire need (He is currently living in his car). If any of you out there feel you can help him out in this situation, please respond as to which I can foward a number to contact him... "karma works both ways..." ---Adam "Was that Rave Related???" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 11:24:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA07901; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA07880; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <541725(2)>; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:24:09 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 11:24:08 PDT From: "King Jester" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: test Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <96Oct2.112409pdt.541725(2)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:24:08 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk testing The Jester "Anything for a Laugh" --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 11:32:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA08725; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA08697; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:31:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA25043 for Sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:31:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:31:24 -0400 Message-ID: <961002143124_200328808@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: (BSP) FAMTASIA Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Friday November 15, Just Sin and Jonathan (me) bring you Famtasia. Dj's: Tom, Ethan, Jonathan, Boomerang Fidget, Judge, Sin, Rob Doten, John Howard and more TBA!!! This is going to be a small family party. 200 people only. Pre-sale tix. The price is going to be $12.00 We have done everything possible to try and make the price lower, but it just isn't going to work! :( There will be free water and fruit. Im posting this to the list before we flyer so if you want to go, e-mail me directly. Jondabomb@aol.com 200 people ONLY PRE-SALE TIX From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 11:44:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA09907; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA09866; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <541778(3)>; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:43:46 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 11:43:40 PDT From: "King Jester" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: What's up this weekend Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <96Oct2.114346pdt.541778(3)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:43:40 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, I'm new to the list at least at posting. Anyway I was wondering if any of you can tell me what's going on this weekend that will be worth checking out. Thanks, The Jester "Anything for a Laugh" --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 12:02:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA11749; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA11742; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.hooked.net (moonpup@bass.hooked.net [206.80.6.41]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06017 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:02:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by bass.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA19741; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610021902.MAA19741@bass.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: eric dunkelberger & me Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In light of the fact that I have advicated a positive & rave related agenda......the following is a complete NRR item that I feel must be addressed..... I would just like to announce to everyone on the list, that before eric dunkelberger starts telling you all what a jerk I am, I will announce it myself. I AM A JERK TO ERIC DUNKELBERGER......... I wish to appologize to anyone who I have (according to eric) been rude to over the phone......... eric & I are having a $$ dispute that we dis-agree on......and he has threatened to denounce me and my reputation.......... to many of you. for those that know me personally, I feel justified in any actions I take, and have tried to be a positive type of characture.......for those of you who don't know me I guess you'll never know where I am coming from...... If I have taken a negative route, (in regard to our $$ workings)......Know that I hAve my reasons........and I am not some kind of rip-off or scumbag....... I am just reacting to a series of issues that evolved during my visit to the U.K. while eric made up his own rules, and it cost me plenty in communication (or should I say lack of communication), as well as deleting some programs & e-mail addresses etc.... etc.... there is alot more, but I do not wish to get into a public forum regarding these issues.........but I primarily wanted to apologize to those of you who have been talking with eric about me and I'm sorry if I appeared rude..........to anyone. moonpup From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 12:41:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA15416; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laertes.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA15409; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from knegtel@localhost) by laertes.ucsf.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/GSC4.24) id MAA21687 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:41:13 -0700 From: "Ronald Knegtel" Message-Id: <9610021241.ZM21685@laertes.ucsf.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:41:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Slightly RR: Computer graphics goes to the dentist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends, sitting on the couch last night, watching TV and recovering from a short trip to Hawaii with Mrs. Frying Dutchman I zapped to a program called "Extra". They had an interesting item on methods for the treatment of pain at the dentist, using electrodes placed on the jaw and allowing the patient to regulate the amount of anasthesia by controlling the current send through the electrodes. (Hmm, got to get me one of those sets and experi- ment with where to place the electrodes... ;) ). Nothing really new there but in addition to that, they gave the patient something what looked like virtual reality glasses and headphones and displayed the kind of computer animations that would not be out of place at your average rave. This, combined with what they called "sound effects" (yeah right, probably the latest gabber mix tape), was supposed to distract the patients atten- tion from the sound and workings of the dentist drill. Wow. Going to the dentist is going to be fun again! Imagine that, regulating your electronic anasthesia while looking at trippy videos and listening to whatever you're allowed to bring with you on tape. This offers new opportunities to the VR people I'd say. Hmm, perhaps I should get my last two wisdom teeth removed? The Frying Dutchman -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 13:11:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA26125; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ferret.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA25893; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.162.160.41] [204.162.160.41] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 0.56 #1) id E0v8Xd0-0004V6-00; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:10:48 -0700 X-Sender: illumin8@slip.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:12:09 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@frequency-8.com (MARS & Mystr-E) Subject: B. DarknEs^2 Is Looking..... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; Me & my 2 cats are looking for a place to live by Friday, I'm currently on da street, if anyone can at least offer me & my cats a sofa for cash until I find a place that would be cool; else it's back to Florida. Call 800-590-4993 and leave a message. Peace Brian ps Ulrike as soon as I get my own space I will be talking with you directly, please send your e-mail address to Eric & Mars here at the store, love brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 13:47:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA29564; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA29556; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (solle@srf-ca9-53.ix.netcom.com [205.186.119.117]) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA14008 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:46:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:46:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199610022046.NAA14008@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: solle@ix.netcom.com (Sunny) Subject: Come-Unity To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I see that Doc Martin is playing at the Maritime Hall tomorrow night. Has anybody been to a Thursday night there? I've just decided to take the rest of the week off work and I'm looking for places to abuse my mind and body. See you at Come-Unity tonight. -Sunny Solle Clothing Co. solle@solle.com "Search & Satisfy" ™ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 13:56:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA00490; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misnt1.rely.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA00484; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by misnt1.rely.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBB069.602283F0@misnt1.rely.com>; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:55:31 -0700 Message-ID: From: Adam Guevara To: "'Sfraves@hyperreal.com'" Subject: BSP'in it... (WISH) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:55:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey out there in cyber-land, For those young-at-heart (and too young to get into 1015 Folsom) Mystr-E and MARS of F-8 will be a spinnin' at the Bahia tonite. Um, I'll be there (cos' IM one of those trance going type-o-guys)... _Wish_ - techno, house w/DJs guests weekly. Lighting by EyeTribe 18+. Bahia, 1600 Market St, SF. 415.436.0663 ---Adam "Was that Rave Related???" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 14:12:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA02291; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA02259; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA22563; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:11:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:11:47 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199610022111.OAA22563@netcom17.netcom.com> To: aguevara@rely.com CC: Sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: (message from Adam Guevara on Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:55:29 -0700) Subject: Re: BSP'in it... (WISH) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > From: Adam Guevara > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:55:29 -0700 > > Hey out there in cyber-land, > > For those young-at-heart (and too young to get into 1015 Folsom) Mystr-E > and MARS of F-8 will be a spinnin' at the Bahia tonite. Um, I'll be > there (cos' IM one of those trance going type-o-guys)... I said before that I had been to my last Wish, but with Mars and Mystr-E there, it's a totally different kind of party than the usual Wish. So my arm has been sufficiently twisted; I'll be there tonight with bells (and blinking lights) on! Besides, my new dwelling is only a couple of blocks away from the Bahia (living in SoMa *rocks*), so I have no excuse to stay home :) Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 14:13:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA02421; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA02413; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09469 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10009 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.115] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:13:18 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:13:18 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ezra@niles.com (Ezra Schnick) Subject: Re: Come-Unity Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk heya all! i've been to a "jambay" show on a friday at maritime and it was pretty groovin'. you should have a grand ol' time! doesn't work abuse your mind and body already? ;-) P.S. i'm a newbie, so aloha and mahalo to all my present and future friends out there (where ever it might be)! Ezra Schnick Niles & Associates <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Niles & Associates, Inc. Phone: + 01 (510) 559-8592 800 Jones St. FAX: + 01 (510) 559-8683 Berkeley, CA, 94710 USA Internet: info@niles.com http://www.niles.com EndNote Technical Support: mac-support@niles.com pc-support@niles.com "Serving more than 100,000 users worldwide." <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 14:15:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA02648; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trix.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA02639; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jwiley@localhost) by trix.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA00256 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:14:57 -0700 From: Jay Wiley Message-Id: <199610022114.OAA00256@trix.cisco.com> Subject: Ska (BSP) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:14:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My friends band, Mephiskapholies, from NYC is playing in Berkeley Square tomorrow night (Thursday). I don't have all the information yet cause I haven't actually talked to them but I'll post more tomorrow. I believe they are playing with the Blue Meanies. j From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 14:18:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA02986; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA02969; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01117 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10078 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.115] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:16:13 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:16:13 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ezra@niles.com (Ezra Schnick) Subject: Re: Come-Unity Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk gosh shucks! i forgotted to say hi to that groovy dude b))merang! see ya folks! .ez ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ ___====-_ _-====___ _--^^^#####// ^ ^ \\#####^^^--_ _-^##########// (|ii|) \\##########^-_ -############// |\^^/| \\############- _/############// (@::@) \\############\_ /#############(( \\// ))#############\ -###############\\ (oo) //###############- -#################\\ / VV \ //#################- -###################\\/ \//###################- _#/|##########/\######( /\ )######/\##########|\#_ |/ |#/\#/\#/\/ \#/\##\ | | /##/\#/ \/\#/\#/\#| \| ` |/ V V ` V \#\| | | |/#/ V ' V V \| ' ` ` ` ` / | | | | \ ' ' ' ' ( | | | | ) __\ | | | | /__ (vvv(VVV)(VVV)vvv) From: Ezra Icefield Schnick "All men are created equal before fishies" -Woodrow Wilson ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 14:23:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA03510; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA03503; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:23:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Thomas To: Sunny cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Funktion In-Reply-To: <199610022046.NAA14008@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Sunny wrote: > I see that Doc Martin is playing at the Maritime Hall tomorrow night. > Has anybody been to a Thursday night there? I was there last thursday. The space is ok, but they are in dire need of a decent sound person. The soundsystem in the "main" area was muddy, and the highs were painful, and overall was much too loud to be enjoyable. The "other" room didn't have adequate bass and was overdriven. The crowd was sparse, and for the most part pretty young. I was looking forward to hearing Doc spin this week but after last weeks letdown (and hearing of similar experiences on past thursdays from others), I don't know if I'll bother... free b4 10 though... Andy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 14:26:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA03857; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA03848; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.86.220.227 (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA12008 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:00:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3252D96D.3606@best.com> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 14:06:53 -0700 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR: Day#3 no meat- thanks! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Even though my eating habits have NOTHING to do wth this list, I want to thank everyone who has written me notes of support. hi-fives all around- thanks:) -alex ps- soft tofu crumbled in spaghetti sauce is so good! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 14:38:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA05382; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA05313; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.hooked.net (moonpup@tuna.hooked.net [206.80.6.42]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19529 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by tuna.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA13715; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610022138.OAA13715@tuna.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BSP Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have 3 tables for sale that are perfect for DJ'ing on at an outdoor event.....(or in your home or at an indoor event) all three fold up (the legs fold) and are hotel type banquet tables one is a full lenth, full size table ( 6ft ), and 2 are only 1/2 width full lenth tables (6 ft ) if interested call me ........ (i'll try not to be rude !!!!) moonpup 415-337-6666 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 14:50:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA06744; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from popper.PBI.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA06729; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from edunkelberger (csota-84.csota.pbi.net) by popper.PBI.net (4.1/PBI-12/1/95) id AA02539; Wed, 2 Oct 96 14:49:30 PDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961002095030.00353850@popper.pbi.net> X-Sender: edunkelberger@popper.pbi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:50:30 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Erik Dunkelberger Subject: Re: eric dunkelberger & me (Does this have a place on SFRAVES?) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk SFRavers, I oppologize for this entering onto the list. I refuse to waste your time with this smut... even to defend myself. You all are mature individuals. --erik >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----------------------------> -=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=- | Erik Dunkelberger | ^ ^ _ _ ^ ^ | Technical Analyst | + + O O - - | Pacific Bell Internet | . / . / / | 303 2nd Street | /_ /_ /_ | South Tower, Suite 325 | | San Francisco, CA 94107 | ) ^ _/ | support@pacbell.net | | (800) 708-4638(INET) | ||| ||| ||| -=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=- <---------------------------<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 14:53:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA07073; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA07068; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink3.berkeley.edu (uclink3.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.74]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA13987; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (stans@localhost) by uclink3.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA06204; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:46:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan To: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer cc: Frisco Freaks Subject: Re: NRR: day#2- no meat In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19961001000509.34672e6e@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer wrote: > >> It's kinda slow tonight, so I'd just like to share with you that I'm on > >> my second day sans meat! yippee. > >> -peace- > > > >Does that mean all us flesh renders can come over and raid your fridge? > >;-) > > > Meatparty at Alex's!! Woohoo!! We can point & laugh & throw lentils at the > vegetarians! :) we can all run around a fire naked, paint ourselves with mud, and eat raw meat. who wants to spin? ;) stan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 15:01:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA07915; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laertes.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA07906; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from knegtel@localhost) by laertes.ucsf.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/GSC4.24) id PAA21964 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:01:26 -0700 From: "Ronald Knegtel" Message-Id: <9610021501.ZM21962@laertes.ucsf.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:01:26 -0700 In-Reply-To: Stan "Re: NRR: day#2- no meat" (Oct 2, 2:46pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NRR: day#2- no meat Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Oct 2, 2:46pm, Stan wrote: > Subject: Re: NRR: day#2- no meat > On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer wrote: > > > >> It's kinda slow tonight, so I'd just like to share with you that I'm on > > >> my second day sans meat! yippee. > > >> -peace- > > > > > >Does that mean all us flesh renders can come over and raid your fridge? > > >;-) > > > > > > Meatparty at Alex's!! Woohoo!! We can point & laugh & throw lentils at the > > vegetarians! :) > > > we can all run around a fire naked, paint ourselves with mud, and > eat raw meat. who wants to spin? ;) > > Better yet, let's eat those vegetarians, I've heard they're supposed to be very healthy... The Frying Dutchman -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 15:03:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA08218; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA08196; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA05540 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from as5200-2.sl014.cns.vt.edu (as5200-2.sl014.cns.vt.edu [128.173.34.140]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA19617 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:03:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199610022203.SAA19617@sable.cc.vt.edu> X-Sender: mhayton@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:03:28 +0600 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Matthew Hayton Subject: FW: FYI-WARNING (fwd) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >From: "Bayless, Marilyn J. Capt" >To: "hayton, todd" >Subject: FW: FYI-WARNING (fwd) >Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96 11:40:00 MDT >Encoding: 63 TEXT > > > > ---------- >From: Bailey, Craig E. Mr. >To: Bosse, Roger H., Civ; Ferribee, George, Civ; Caracillo, Mike R. Mr.; >Fleming, Kirk Mr.; Guthrie, Michael P. Mr.; Kounter, Mike J. Mr.; Allen, >Scott C., Capt\DET1; Thomas, Christopher 2Lt; 'Kelch, William Mr.'; Einmo, >Kent Maj; Myers, Gale Maj; 'Gribble, TSgt (SEIT)'; 'Manas, Capt (SEIT)'; >SSSGp (All CISF Bldg Pers) >Subject: FW: FYI-WARNING (fwd) >Date: Wednesday, October 02, 1996 11:33AM > > > > ---------- >From: Sanders, Timothy SrA >Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 1996 9:00 AM >To: Gebhardt, Dean MSgt; Potter, Rodney MSgt; Bailey, Craig E. Mr.; >Guthrie, Michael P. 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This is an extremely >> destructive virus and there is NOT yet a way of cleaning this one >> up. >> >> PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU KNOW. > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 15:17:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA09476; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ferret.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA09453; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.162.160.41] [206.14.14.118] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 0.56 #1) id E0v8ZbD-0003s2-00; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:17:05 -0700 X-Sender: illumin8@slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:18:26 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@frequency-8.com (MARS & Mystr-E) Subject: FREQUENCY 8 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk FREQUENCY 8 CyberTrance Communication Friday Oct. 18, 1996 with special geusts: DRC ETHAN Stay Tuned In-----> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 15:28:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA10674; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA10637; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id PAA02854; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:27:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:27:55 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199610022227.PAA02854@netcom17.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: my mom was influenced by Leeza!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Help! I was on the phone today with my mom (who is still trapped in Rhode Island), and she says: "I hope you're not getting so involved with this rave scene" uh oh. "um, I don't suppose you watched Leeza the other day?" Yes, *my* mom, with all her years of hipness, coolness, being an artist, a supporter of music and underground arts, an ex-hippie, a New Yorker, and the owner of a really cool wardrobe, watched the Leeza show and returned with the impression that raves are big drug-fests. She's even *been* to a rave before... So I told her about Leslie, and how we were friends, and how the show was designed to be a bunch of sensationalistic media-hype, etc, etc. Seemed to ease her mind a little bit. But then she asked, "*You* haven't started using drugs, too, have you?" So I admitted to my heroin habit :) She wasn't amused, but I got a hearty chuckle out of my office mate ;) Anyway, my point is: if *my* mom (who ranks very high on the cool mom scale) could be influenced by this, can you imagine what Teenage America's parents are thinking right now??? Oh well, it's things like this that keep us underground. Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 16:24:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA17043; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA17025; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:24:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Pacificsou@aol.com Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA26703 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:24:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:24:07 -0400 Message-ID: <961002192407_116825922@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: PACIFIC!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Alright, here is the info for this fridays party! ( For those interested) FRIDAY, OCTOBER 4TH **PACIFIC** with musical mixing by: GALEN On the upbeat SEAN MURRAY ETHAN JOHN HOWARD SOLAR On the downbeat JASON LARON PROFESSOR SMITH LORIEN There are presale tickets available due to the limited capacity of the space at: HOUSEWARES (415)252-1440 CAPRICORN MUSIC (408)425-1405 Tickets are $10 presale, Remaining tix are $12 @ the door! We have beautiful space in the southbay surrounded by redwood trees with an outdoor patio. Hopefully we will see you there!!! For more info call: 415.985.5264 Thanks Again.............................PaCiFiC................... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 16:43:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA19781; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA19764; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA11158; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from gebco.ix.netcome.com (str-ca2-28.ix.netcom.com [207.93.43.92]) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA07183 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:33:07 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961002223750.00688e18@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: c9d@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:37:50 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Micron Subject: NRR: all this NRR stuff ReSent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:42:59 -0700 (PDT) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have been watching this NRR thing go back and forth for a while....and am now ready to throw in my $.02. Part of the reason i subscribed to sfraves is for the feeling of community of all the people on here. Now, while i love to read reviews about parties nad am DEFINETELY interested in all of the other rave related material, i really enjoy the people and sense of community that is offered by this list. It is here to serve everyone on the list and if people want to exchange other information and ideas or plan things together, then power to them. I mean, where else am i gonna find a 100 people in the bay area that are into what i'm really into and can easily exchange information with them. I, do however, fully support the idea of putting a NRR heading on all material that is directly non-rave, that way if u are really against talking or sharing other ideas with these people, u don't have to. I really like the list and everyone on it and would like to see it progress. I'll probably get blasted for this, but hey it's how i feel, and i feel like i have a valid opinion. PLUR to every last one of you, Micron ______________________________________________________________ | // /// // ////// ////// ////// /// // | | // // //// // // // // // // // // // | | // // // // // // /// // // // // // | | // / // // // // // // // // //// | |// // // ////// // // ////// // // | |_____________________________________________________________| PLUR! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 17:16:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA22716; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laertes.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA22699; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from knegtel@localhost) by laertes.ucsf.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/GSC4.24) id RAA22134 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:16:08 -0700 From: "Ronald Knegtel" Message-Id: <9610021716.ZM22132@laertes.ucsf.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:16:07 -0700 In-Reply-To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) "my mom was influenced by Leeza!!!" (Oct 2, 3:27pm) References: <199610022227.PAA02854@netcom17.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: my mom was influenced by Leeza!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Oct 2, 3:27pm, Steve Simitzis wrote: > Subject: my mom was influenced by Leeza!!! > > Help! > > I was on the phone today with my mom (who is still trapped in Rhode Island), > and she says: > "I hope you're not getting so involved with this rave scene" > uh oh. > "um, I don't suppose you watched Leeza the other day?" > > Yes, *my* mom, with all her years of hipness, coolness, being an > artist, a supporter of music and underground arts, an ex-hippie, a New > Yorker, and the owner of a really cool wardrobe, watched the Leeza > show and returned with the impression that raves are big drug-fests. Uhm, isn't that true? I understand what you mean, i.e. there's much more to raving than drug use but on the other hand I feel we're fooling ourselves and the general public reached by the (s)Leeza show, by suggesting that drugs are not abundantly present and used in our community. In fact, I doubt whether raving would be what it is today without mdma becoming available to lots of people in the late 1980's. Perhaps, instead of apologizing for and marginalizing the role of drugs in raving it would be more honest to state that our scene allows everyone who is part of it to experience it in the manner that suits her/him best. Raving is going to be trashed no matter what we say about the other aspects of it because of its relation with recreational drug use. If we (would) want to explain it to our parents or the media we need to clarify our stand on this issue instead of keeping things vague with statements like "not everybody at raves uses drugs". If we value personal freedom regarding this matter we should say so. Note that I do not suggest that we should advice people to take drugs but rather defend the right of each individual to decide for themselves and act upon it. It wouldn't hurt either to counteract some of the lies and misinformation that have been flooding the media over the past decades regarding drugs, which has lead to situations like the one descibed below: > She's even *been* to a rave before... So I told her about Leslie, and > how we were friends, and how the show was designed to be a bunch of > sensationalistic media-hype, etc, etc. Seemed to ease her mind > a little bit. But then she asked, > "*You* haven't started using drugs, too, have you?" > > So I admitted to my heroin habit :) She wasn't amused, but I got a > hearty chuckle out of my office mate ;) > > Anyway, my point is: if *my* mom (who ranks very high on the cool mom > scale) could be influenced by this, can you imagine what Teenage > America's parents are thinking right now??? > > Oh well, it's things like this that keep us underground. The Underground is a beautiful thing and maybe should remain what it is. On the other hand, this country and the world could use some of the raver- family values that are referred to so often on this list (i.e.. PLUR). Now how do we get them out there without being portrayed all the time as devilish drug fiends corrupting the youth of the nation? Teaching people tolerance in as many contexts as possible might be a first step. Just my $0.02 > > Steve > [sig snipped] >-- End of excerpt from Steve Simitzis The Frying Dutchman -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 17:39:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA24647; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nak.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA24641; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (ucdata.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.165.25]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA26883; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA09045; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:32:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nancy Shaw Subject: Re: my mom was influenced by Leeza!!! To: Steve Simitzis cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199610022227.PAA02854@netcom17.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ha ha ha ha this one made my slooow afternoon at work I too have a New Yawker, ex-hippie, progressive, arty mom... who was entirely supportive and excited when I explained to her what raving is to me (INCLUDING mind-expanding and empathy-inducing drugs). She saw right away that it was this generation's incarnation of the 60's countercultural movement. :) I am beyond grateful for my liberal upbringing!!! Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 17:58:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA26305; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA26268; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <542905(2)>; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:58:35 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 17:58:35 PDT From: "Otto Matic" To: c9d@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NRR: all this NRR stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <96Oct2.175835pdt.542905(2)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:58:35 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Micron wrote: > >I really like the list and everyone on it and would like to see it >progress. Me Too! > >I'll probably get blasted for this, but hey it's how i feel, and i >feel like >i have a valid opinion. You do, and we share that opinion. > >PLUR to every last one of you, >Micron However, I feel that sometimes the discussion gets a little bitchy. Over the last 2 days I read about some guy sleeping around and someone else's money problems. I think that "I'm not a rip-off" or "My boyfriend is sleeping around" have no place here. Nor should anyone use this list to try and ruin someone's reputation. That's the way I saw BOTH those posts, in a very bad light. No names, please. Please do not use this list to vent or for evil, and we all will be OK! Just my two cents, added to yours make four. otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 18:20:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA28241; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA28214; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id SAA09371; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:19:56 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id SAA19635; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:19:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: B-Day party thanks. To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I would be completly remiss if I were not to thank some key people at the B-Day party who helped out and whom without we never could have achieved what we did. Ethan Miller from Friends and Family deserves big hugz for providing the big speaker stacks [and amp rack] for the chill room. Matt and Greg for having faith in me and letting me play!! =) Also for having patience with me. ;) Eric Peterson who got me there and Back!! =) Steve for bringing his wonderful Roland in! :) Some very cool sounds there!!!! Brandon for his extrodinary efforts after the party. Also to Ian who helped carry some heavy shit. And of course to Knucklehead for the same [he conquored the widow-maker!] Pao for his help in set up. Shawna for her help in set up and her easy smile [believe me it helps!!]. Andrew K. for letting me slide with my loan/equipment!! =) To Michael Clay who facilitated much and was just plain wonderful! To all the people who came up and played and/or who expressed their joy at what we had accomplished in the chill room. Especially BIG thanks to those who donated xtra money to Omar's healing funds. Thank you. Thanks Gateway and the other techs in the main dance floor!!!! =) To all the other people who voluntered their time in setting up whom I havn't named. We Love You All!!!! Peace ya all, Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 18:21:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA28374; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hupa.snfc21.pbi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA28368; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (ppp-206-170-0-140.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.0.140]) by hupa.snfc21.pbi.net (8.7.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA03890 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32531523.23A6@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:21:39 -0700 From: PETER FOGEL X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBWE (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Leeza show References: <199609301857.LAA17439@monet.sei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Martin Randall wrote: > Yes, Leslie came over very well but it sounded like they > didn't give her much time to speak, and instead focussed on the > teenage runaways and the drug-dealer in the audience, and made > raves sound like total drug-fests. Yes, Leslie did come across very well, and the show was somewhat one-sided with a focus on drug problems in the scene. I do think there is some validity to this. There are alot of people who may be doing drugs who imo probably shouldn't be doing them. I've personally have dealt with some who have done drugs which probably because of some pre-existing condition, have triggered them to become psychotic, which continued well after the time span of the drugs lasting effects. Of course I don't think this is souly a rave-related issue, but I do think we should continue to emphasize educated usage and non-usage in our scene, which is something that I have found to be a good part of the history of this list. Hopefully there will be another show someday that will focus on some of the more positive impacts of raving on people's lives. Why does it seem that the rave scene in general all over the world, is dominated by the younger generation? Do you younger ravers think you will stop raving when you get older? I couldn't help laughing when someone in the audience mentioned that the raves have people as old as 30 :o I'm 36 and know quite a few older ravers. When I get older and have to spend alot of time in a rocking chair, I hope to be still rocking to beat. :) peter From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 19:19:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA02951; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iberia.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA02942; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Default (Cust79.Max2.San-Francisco.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.35.234.79]) by iberia.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24822 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610030219.TAA24822@iberia.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: cnielsen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Courtney Nielsen Subject: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk find me a drug-free society anywhere or anytime in history doesn't exist. Courtney Nielsen Electronic Artists Collective (408) 275-9972 cnielsen@earthlink.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 19:57:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA05849; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA05843; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linda.teleport.com (chicchan@linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27657; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chicchan@localhost) by linda.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id TAA15759; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:57:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: Pacificsou@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: PACIFIC!! In-Reply-To: <961002192407_116825922@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk woo hoo! hope to see many of you there! can't wait to get there...my last party down there was the Sunset Bay cruise in June :) please come say hi if you see me...i've got shoulder length brown dreds and i'll be wearing either denim or red long, sassy bell bottoms. love, brenda __ __ __ __ / \ / \ / \ / \ ****** Chicchan Lahuna ****** __________/ __\/ __\/ _\/ __\________________________________ _________/ /__/ /__/ /__/______________________________________ | / \ / \ / \ / \ \____ |/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \ o \ \_____/--< AHAU Collective (503) 237-AHAU http://www.ahau.com/~chicchan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 20:17:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA07691; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sole.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA07685; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by sole.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA11313; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:17:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199610030317.UAA11313@sole.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: appologies to all Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well I just wanted to apologize for my emotional outburst earlier today, this was an example of how not to use SFR.....moonpup (with egg on face) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 20:53:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA10792; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA10773; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <543438(4)>; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:52:51 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 20:52:51 PDT From: "Otto Matic" To: cnielsen@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <96Oct2.205251pdt.543438(4)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:52:51 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >From the dawn of time man has sought to: Eat, Sleep, Reproduce, and Alter Consciousness. >To:sfraves@hyperreal.com >From:Courtney Nielsen >Subject: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah >Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com >Precedence: bulk >find me a drug-free society anywhere or anytime in history > >doesn't exist. >Courtney Nielsen >Electronic Artists Collective >(408) 275-9972 >cnielsen@earthlink.net > > otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 21:25:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA13315; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA13308; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA13392; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:25:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199610030425.VAA13392@netcom23.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Cc: jack@twaxx.com, geoffw@v-site.net, jasong@eit.com Subject: Re: Leeza show In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Oct 96 18:21:39 PDT." <32531523.23A6@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96 21:25:19 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk PETER FOGEL : > Why does it seem that the rave scene in general all over the world, is > dominated by the younger generation? Do you younger ravers think you > will stop raving when you get older? I think most "popular new movements" are driven by an audience of 16-24 year olds. There are certainly people on the younger and older sides of this range, but that segment, IMHO, represents the biggest portion of the "bell curve." This is what I gather from pictures, movies, stories, etc that I've seen from the swing movement (e.g. benny goodman, count basie, duke ellington), be-bop (charlie parker, john coltrane, miles davis), rock-n-roll (buddy holly, elvis), rock/acid-rock (beatles, rolling stones, led zepplin), Soul/R&B, Funk, Disco, Punk, Industrial, Rave, etc. Take a look at the movies we've all seen of fans at Elvis, Beatles, and Stones concerts, or Woodstock -- the majority of audience faces you see are "teenagers" and "early 20's". While the performers were typically in their mid/late 20's and 30's. Likewise, a majority of press coverage during those times focused on how the new music/drugs/fashion/sexual-mores inspired degeneracy in the youth of america... It happened in the 20's with flappers, jazz music, and alchohol (resulting ultimately in prohibition and the rise of the mafia to distribute alchohol). And it's happened in the 60's, and 70's and 80's and 90's with the associated musics and inebriants of rebellion, and the opposing laws, prohibitions, and criminal profiteers. So while y'all think you are breaking down societal barriers with yer newfangled trendy shit, just remember.... Same as it ever was, same as it ever was... The more things change, the more they remain the same. One day, some of you youngins will become parents, and you'll be wondering why the fuck junior is going off to monotonously repeating pulsing squarewaves on his stereo, head plugged into a stereotaxicvirtualreality simulator, and electrodes plugged into the temple causing his brains to smoke and limbs to twitch spasmodically to a rhythm you can't comprehend, and you'll say -- damn kids today! and junior will say oh maaaaw, you just don't understand! PS: one thing I've been thinking about w/r/t the Leeza show. Perhaps this is the first real evidence that "Rave" is going to become an official mainstream way for kids to rebel against their parents. It's almost as if TV is now instructing kids all over amerikkka -- hey really want to piss your parents off -- go to a rave! parents will do their part by saying "Johnny, you're not going to those raves are you" to which lil Johnny suddenly takes great interest in because it has become "Taboo". Why would TV set out to create an official mode of rebellion for youth? Because there's a lot of money to be made selling records (Rap/Hip-Hop becoming a rather played-out and politically dangerous/divisive form of youth rebellion). To say nothing of the "all new" fashions that parents will have to clothe their kids in so they can stay hip and popular. To say nothing about all the new drugs the CIA can start selling to the youth of America without even risking importation. ANd best of all, there's no lyrics in the songs telling kids how fucked up the government is, or to go out and kill cops! Just a bunch of blissed-out sheep bleating "PLUR" while the government clamps down on yer rights slowly, steadily. Turn up the heat slowly and the frogs in the pot don't jump out, they cook! Cook lil froggies cook! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 21:28:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA13497; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-02.telis.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA13492; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s06-pm02.ucsd.campus.mci.net (s06-pm02.ucsd.campus.mci.net [206.154.104.65]) by mail-02.telis.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA20674 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:22:44 -0700 (PDT) From: kstuart@mail.telis.org (Ken Stuart) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Leeza show Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 04:22:24 GMT Reply-To: kstuart@mail.telis.org Message-ID: <32543d75.15341219@mail.telis.org> References: <199609301857.LAA17439@monet.sei.com> <32531523.23A6@pacbell.net> In-Reply-To: <32531523.23A6@pacbell.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, On Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:21:39 -0700, PETER FOGEL wrote: >Why does it seem that the rave scene in general all over the world, is dominated >by the younger generation? >Do you younger ravers think you will stop raving when you get older? > >I couldn't help laughing when someone in the audience mentioned that the >raves have people as old as 30 :o >I'm 36 and know quite a few older ravers. When I get older and have to >spend alot of time in a rocking chair, I hope to be still rocking to beat. Since you are 36, I'm surprised you don't know the answer ! :-) 80-90% of the problem is the time of day, ie the midnight to 8 am bit. People over 22 have day jobs. People over, say 25, start to feel it more when they stay up all night (eg get sick). And people over, primarily 20 (although as young as 13) have kids. Having kids makes it difficult to stay up even past midnight even on a Saturday. I know there is more than one reason for the midnight to 8 am aspect of raves, but my perception is that the major reason is to keep out most people. I've read plenty of rave reviews here which said something like "at 3 am, all the jerks left and then the rest of us got down to dancing". So, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either raves are an underground phenomenon designed to leave out most people in order to limit it to people dedicated to the vibe and PLUR, OR You want to share raves with the rest of the world, including the over-30 crowd, in which case it needs to take place at regular clubs between 8pm and 2am. Cheers, Ken <*> kstuart@mail.telis.org From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 22:34:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA17426; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA17413; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06651; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:33:48 -0700 (PDT) To: Ken Stuart cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Leeza show In-Reply-To: <32543d75.15341219@mail.telis.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Ken Stuart wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:21:39 -0700, PETER FOGEL > wrote: > > >Why does it seem that the rave scene in general all over the world, is dominated > >by the younger generation? > >Do you younger ravers think you will stop raving when you get older? > > > >I couldn't help laughing when someone in the audience mentioned that the > >raves have people as old as 30 :o > >I'm 36 and know quite a few older ravers. When I get older and have to > >spend alot of time in a rocking chair, I hope to be still rocking to beat. > > Since you are 36, I'm surprised you don't know the answer ! :-) > > 80-90% of the problem is the time of day, ie the midnight to 8 am bit. You say this with such authority. Please site your source of such definitive statistics. > People over 22 have day jobs. I seem to remember being 17 and having a day job. > People over, say 25, start to feel it more when they stay up all night > (eg get sick). *cough* *cough* *wheeze* *wheeze* Well, I *cough* still manage *snort* it once in a *cough* while. > And people over, primarily 20 (although as young as 13) have kids. > Having kids makes it difficult to stay up even past midnight even on a > Saturday. Ok, I am writing this down... "People over the age of 20 have kids...." Got it. > I know there is more than one reason for the midnight to 8 am aspect > of raves, but my perception is that the major reason is to keep out > most people. And why is that? > I've read plenty of rave reviews here which said something like "at 3 > am, all the jerks left and then the rest of us got down to dancing". > > So, you can't have your cake and eat it too. > > Either raves are an underground phenomenon designed to leave out most > people in order to limit it to people dedicated to the vibe and PLUR, > > OR > > You want to share raves with the rest of the world, including the > over-30 crowd, in which case it needs to take place at regular clubs > between 8pm and 2am. The problem is not the "over-30" crowd. The problem is not the "under-30" crowd. The problem is people that just don't get it, don't want to get it, and don't think you should try to get it either. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 22:53:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA18705; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA18700; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Begroovy@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA06253 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 01:52:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 01:52:59 -0400 Message-ID: <961003015258_117184005@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: raves, drugfests, where and when? count me in!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 96-10-02 22:20:47 EDT, you write: << find me a drug-free society anywhere or anytime in history >> The menenites and amish are fairly drug free. I know of no real psychoactive or physiological drugs they ingest, unless meat, vegetables, fruits, starches and sugars fit your definition of drugs? They do drink rootbeer which contains safrole type compounds similar to a precursor of MDMA??? Peace, Cid From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 23:54:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA22278; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA22270; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <543984(5)>; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:54:35 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 23:54:33 PDT From: "Otto Matic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Cc: craigw@dg.ce.com.au Subject: Fwd: Re: FW: FYI-WARNING (fwd) Zip300 Trojan Horse? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <96Oct2.235435pdt.543984(5)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:54:35 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I got this from Craig at the cryptology group called cypherpunks. Still sounds pretty bad. >Subject: Re: FW: FYI-WARNING (fwd) Zip300 Trojan Horse? >X-Confirm-Reading-To: craigw@[172.16.240.1] >X-pmrqc: 1 >Return-receipt-to: craigw@mac.ce.com.au >Priority: normal >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) >It is yes/no > >It is not a Trojan Horse, it is a virus > >there is no version 3.0 of PKzip...so any you see is to be avoided > >It is a ziped file. It will ***NOT*** infect your drive untill it is >unzipped. > >It DOES not do ANYTHING to ANY modem. > >it is relatively harmless and easy to remove if you are stupid to >install it even though it is a virus > >It SLOWLY corrupts files and damages them. IT DOES NOT WIPE YOUR >DRIVE > >Solution...scan all files you download and delete them BEFORE you >install them into your system. I collect viruses (we all need a >hobby) so do not tell me by just downloading it you will thrash the >system. > >Regards Craig > > ,'~``. \|/ ,'``~. > (-o=o-) (@ @) ,(-o=o-), >+--.oooO--(_)--Ooo-----oOO-(_)-OOo-------oooO--(_)--Oooo.------+ >| | >| Soon, we may all be staring at our computers, wondering | >| whether they're staring back. | >| | >| [Network Admin For WPA Business Products. aka doshai >;-) ] | >| .oooO http://pip.com.au/~doshai/ Oooo. | >| ( ) Oooo. .oooO ( ) | >+-----\ (----( )-------oooO-Oooo--------( )--- ) /---------+ > \_) ) / \ ( (_/ > (_/ \_) >Key fingerprint = 2D F4 54 BB B4 EA F1 E7 B6 DE 48 92 FC 8D FF 49 >Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key. >(if I want to give it to you) > Thanks, Craig. otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 23:56:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA22376; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA22370; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.36.93.84] (Cust20.Max14.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.93.84]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08541 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:55:57 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin Woffington) Subject: Coming up to Charity!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Helllo all !!! Damn it's been 2 - 3 weeks since =CE moved and I miss SF sooo much. I live in SLO that is San Luis Obispo and it really is slow and conservative. I love the attention I get when I wear all my funky rave shit on campus, kinda amusing... ' Anyways I'll be up this friday to go to Charity. My sister is getting me tix and soo I really want to get down this weekend!!!. I haven' been to a party since Open. I'll have my sfraves badge (I just subed again 2 days ago) and some glow sticks and some other cool shit. I hope to have a great time and feel at home once again with my 2nd family. Look for me and say hi! Hope things are going well for all of you and I send hugs to everyone. See ya friday! Austin PS If anyone is planning a trip to LA at anytime,for some hardcore parting..let me know and I would like to join. I'm only 3 hours from La and ready to go down. Also BP There is a party in SB mext weekend on the 11th if anyone's interested. I'll post about it when I get back. Peace Austin Woffington Exodus@earthlink.com _@_/` ~\_e_/~ _G/ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ ~/ }} (*) < =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 2 23:57:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA22435; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vmar.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA22430; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.225.199] by vmar.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:05:36 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199610030219.TAA24822@iberia.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:45:07 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Vince Subject: Re: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >find me a drug-free society anywhere or anytime in history > >doesn't exist. Here comes the my drug is better than your drug discussion again. The mdma vs. alchohol discussion. The legalize them and eliminate the dangerous illegal drug trade argument. Sure altered states have existed throughout history, but we are dealing with a society that sees illegal drug use as a threat. It is very hard to have a calm, logical discussion with parents/law enforcement/middle america/right wingers/etc.. about how your use of illegal drugs is no better or worse than their use of alchohol, cigarettes, perscription drugs.... I just saw this much discussed topic coming up again. To end my .02, try bringing this up on your daytime tabloid talk show, and you will SURELY see some creative editing, and a very scary end result. Maybe one on one you could work this angle and convince a few people, but to take this to a larger audience would probably be suicidal. OK, so that was .03 vince From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 00:04:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA23098; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from switzerland.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id AAA23086; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Default (Cust116.Max18.San-Francisco.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.35.242.116]) by switzerland.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA17135 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961003000324.2adf65b2@earthlink.net> X-Sender: shannonr@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Shannon Subject: Re: my mom was influenced by Leeza!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 22:59:16 >To: Nancy Shaw >From: Shannon >Subject: Re: my mom was influenced by Leeza!!! > >At 05:32 PM 10/2/96 -0700, you wrote: >> >>Ha ha ha ha >> >>this one made my slooow afternoon at work >> >>I too have a New Yawker, ex-hippie, progressive, arty mom... who was >>entirely supportive and excited when I explained to her what raving is to >>me (INCLUDING mind-expanding and empathy-inducing drugs). She saw right >>away that it was this generation's incarnation of the 60's >>countercultural movement. >> >>:) >>I am beyond grateful for my liberal upbringing!!! >>Nancy >> >> >i had the same experience with my mom. she lived in the haight area in the 60's and has always been the very hipster mom. (she was even to go to many a dead show with me and leave me for the drum circle!) > >when she found out i was going to raves she was really into it. she never bought into the tabloid tv hype. >she has always been into my partying, wanting to see pictures and hear about how much fun i had. >i am so thankful to have such a hip, liberal mom!!! > >shannon > ~~although it is a dogs life for a cool kat~~ ~~it is the beauty, hope and togetherness that i will forever believe~~ ~~the cappuccino kid (a.k.a. paul weller)~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 00:15:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA23870; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id AAA23852; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.134.240.54] (ppp054-sc0.sirius.com [205.134.240.54]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id AAA16047 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:14:37 -0700 X-Sender: ebe@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:12:34 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ebe@sirius.com (Lucas Rodenbush) Subject: hello all. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just wanted to introduce myself, as i am fairly new the sfrave scene and wish to make e-friends, so i thought i'd drop you all an e-mail. i've been makin' reks in the back of solid grooves since "the energy e.p." and continue to explore the possibilities of MIDI within the realms of progressive house, techno, trance, breakbeat and just plain house. it's been a while since e.b.e., but don't worry, another one will come along one of these days. i keep going through these stages of self-discovery (it's different every time). i just released a record called "solid trax vol. 1" this last summer, which got quite a good reception in the s.f. bay area (thank you). i appreciate all the love and support that i have received thru these past three years... this is a beautiful scene we have here, let's not let it ever slip away. i'll keep everyone posted on the new developments of solid grooves as they come along. until next time... keep the peace Lucas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 01:36:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id BAA28578; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 01:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id BAA28572; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 01:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erase99 (ppp043-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.43]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id BAA17501 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 01:36:13 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19961003014025.00a14470@pop.sirius.com> X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 01:40:27 -0700 To: NRR Central From: Flashpoint 99 Subject: Re: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Here comes the my drug is better than your drug discussion again. The mdma >vs. alchohol discussion. The legalize them and eliminate the dangerous >.... >america/right wingers/etc.. about how your use of illegal drugs is no >better or worse than their use of alchohol, cigarettes, perscription >drugs.... just a little perspective from my side on this: i have probably known an equal number of people who have used drugs regularily and people who used alcohol regularily. i personally have never seen anyone physically or mentally harmed from drug use (unless you count the rumour about the guy at my high school who was reputedly fed a vial of liquid acid - and was now on some heavy medication.) however, my father's dad and three uncles all died from heart disease (they were all heavy smokers and drinkers), one of my uncles will die very soon from liver failure due to alcohol abuse, one of my cousins has been in 3 accidents while drinking and driving, i know more people than i can count on my fingers that have been hit by drunk drivers, and i have had two friends rushed to the emergency room to have their hearts shocked back to life from alcohol poisoning. certainly no conclusive, die hard evidence; but i know which of the two - legal drugs or illegal drugs - that i consider safer. -brendan- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 01:52:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id BAA00383; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 01:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanMateo01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id BAA00372; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 01:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.158.215.178] by SanMateo01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11029) with SMTP id AAA13934; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 01:52:10 -0700 X-Sender: andy-pythagoras@sanmateo01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 01:53:36 -0700 To: kstuart@mail.telis.org, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: andy@pythagoras.org (Andrew Nourse) Subject: Re: Leeza show Message-ID: <19961003085209.AAA13934@[205.158.215.178]> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 04:22 AM 10/3/96 GMT, Ken Stuart wrote: >On Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:21:39 -0700, PETER FOGEL >Why does it seem that the rave scene in general all over the world, is dominated >>by the younger generation? We just LOOK younger as long as we keep dancing. >>Do you younger ravers think you will stop raving when you get older? NoNoNoNoNO! I seem to need to dance *more* as I get older (but I'm 44, so I guess I wasn't supposed to answer this question). >80-90% of the problem is the time of day, ie the midnight to 8 am bit. The best raves start in the afternoon and go all night, and into the next day and..... so you bring a tent or use the chill room to snooze whenever you're too tired to move anymore. >People over 22 have day jobs. >People over, say 25, start to feel it more when they stay up all night >(eg get sick). Funny you should mention that.... >I know there is more than one reason for the midnight to 8 am aspect >of raves, but my perception is that the major reason is to keep out >most people. Dancing until the sun comes up does have a certain magic to it, and I think that's why we do it. Probably none of us get to do it as often of it as we'd like to. We all have various obligations.... Surely you must have noticed an increasing number of daytime raves lately. These are just the thing for those of us who need to dance, but also need to sleep. They are often held on the beach or in a park and usually don't get busted, because it's legal to be there during the day. Daytime raves in public places may be the best way to show the essence of our scene to people who have not found it yet. Anyone who wants to can come dance with us. (They are also a great defense against yellow TV journalism. How sinister can raves be if you can hold them in the middle of the day in a park?) >I've read plenty of rave reviews here which said something like "at 3 >am, all the jerks left and then the rest of us got down to dancing". Those all refer to events that happen at clubs. The jerk coefficient does tend to go down shortly after the bars therein stop serving alcohol. I vastly prefer raves that are not held in clubs. >So, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Yes we can. (Munch munch) Every weekend in and around San Francisco there are a LOT of parties. Some are in clubs, and some of those go all night, some don't, some are in warehouses, summer camps, beaches. Some are so heavily promoted that you can't avoid finding out about them, some are so underground that none of us know about them, and there is everything in-between. >Either raves are an underground phenomenon designed to leave out most >people in order to limit it to people dedicated to the vibe and PLUR, > >OR > >You want to share raves with the rest of the world, including the >over-30 crowd, in which case it needs to take place at regular clubs >between 8pm and 2am. Most "regular clubs" are not doing much of anything at 8 pm, that's too early for them. I've been to quite a few raves that started that early or earlier, but almost never a club. And why must it stop at 2am? You can leave whenever you want, but I usually want to stay later than 2, and besides, who wants to drive during the National Drunken Driving Hour? Much better to wait until 3 or 4. There are quite a few events in clubs. Some of them resemble raves more than others. Entirely too many of them DO shut down at 2am. The essence of "rave" and the essence of "bar" are to some degree in opposition to one another. Often "bar" overwhelms "rave". The best place to share raves with the rest of the world is on the beach in the afternoon. The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 08:14:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA00195; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA00190; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.9) id IAA17360; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610031514.IAA17360@guilder.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: power question (RR) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My partner and I will be playing live music at a rave on the 12'th. Yesterday we went to check out the space, and while talking to the owner, we found out that the part of the space we are playing in has a power shortage. After looking in the switch box we found that the breaker we will be running off of can only handle about 15 amps. He said to add up all of the ampage on our gear to see if it would work. So last night I did it, but couln't find any indication for ampage of any of our stuff....but I did get the wattage. So here's my question O Keeper Of the Sacred Ampage Knowledge. How many amps is 771 watts? What is the ratio of amps to watts? Your insight will be most helpful for I am currently electrically illiterate. Thank you. Rick "Let me have silence always in the centre of the shouting, that is essential. Let me have silence so that no pin may drop and not be heard, and not a whisper. Escape us for all our spouting, nor the needle scratching upon this gramophone of the circular cosmic spot. Hear me, mark me, learn me, throw the mind's ear open. Shut up the mind's eye, all will be music. What sculpture of sound cannot, what cannot as a fluid token words, that nothing else cannot." -Wyndham Lewis From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 08:43:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA02577; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA02567; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA08505; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:43:32 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199610031543.IAA08505@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Re: power question (RR) To: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199610031514.IAA17360@guilder.ucdavis.edu> from "Rick Riffle" at Oct 3, 96 08:14:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves ] Recently, Rick Riffle asked: > > My partner and I will be playing live music at a rave on the 12'th. > ...the part of the space we are playing in has a power shortage. > After looking in the switch box we found that the breaker we will be running > off of can only handle about 15 amps... So last night I .... couln't > find any indication for ampage of any of our stuff....but I did get the > wattage. So here's my question O Keeper Of the Sacred Ampage Knowledge. > How many amps is 771 watts? What is the ratio of amps to watts? Your > insight will be most helpful for I am currently electrically illiterate. > Thank you. > Rick In this case , Power (watts) = [(Volts rms)] times [Current (amps)] estimating mains volts ac rms at 110Vrms, the current would be: 771 watts divided by 110 vrms = 7 amps You can test the setup by getting a power strip with a 15 amp circuit breaker on it, and plug everything you're planning to bring to the rave into that one strip. If you trip that power strip's 15 amp breaker, you'll trip the breaker at the site. Also, don't forget that lights drain a lot of power too! Note: Be sure the wattage you were adding up was the total power comsumed by the amplifier, not the watts-per-channel going to the speakers. The total power is always more watts because of non-ideal power conversion - if your amp is warm, it's eating watts. Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 08:55:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA03817; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gcwf.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA03806; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SOCAL-Message_Server by gcwf.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 08:56:27 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 08:56:48 -0700 From: Ariel Stallings To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, peterbf@pacbell.net Subject: Drugs, Ravers & Deadheads. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>> PETER FOGEL 10/02/96 06:21pm >>> Yes, Leslie did come across very well, and the show was somewhat one-sided with a focus on drug problems in the scene. I do think there is some validity to this. >>>>> Drug use and raves is such an interesting topic because concern IS valid. There are usually a lot of very easily accessable drugs at parties...it's not a problem for just our community though. Hmm, reminds me of a story: One of the most offensive experiences I ever had was meeting a guy (a guy who raves and djs no less!) one morning after a party and while chatting to him I mentioned that I worked at a Birkenstock Store. (Bear with me, this IS relevent...) He looks at me and says "Oh, so are you one of those deadhead hippies who, when Jerry died, needed some place to do your fucked up drugs...so you started raving?" ! ! ! ! How totally offended could I possibly be! I didn't know what to say because no, I wasn't a deadhead before I partied (I was a phishead, thank you very much) BUT EVEN IF I WAS!! Is this how people see both the deadhead AND raving communities? That concerts and raves are simply "a place to do your fucked up drugs"?? It's such an insult to both groups of people. Drugs ARE a part of our scene (and the deadhead scene, for that matter)...and maybe I sound a little naive to say "but can't anyone see BEYOND that?" But drugs aren't what it's all about! Any time I meet someone who's like "yeah, I've never been to a rave sober" I'm always SHOCKED...how can you consider yourself true gruver if you've never been clearheaded at a party? (IMHO, of course) What is it about these two wonderfully different scenes (folks who rave & fans o' The Dead) that fosters some of the most loving vibes ever...yet a public recognition as drugged out losers? Hmm, I could think about this for a long time... Ariel From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 08:57:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA04016; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misnt1.rely.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA04009; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by misnt1.rely.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBB108.CB0B22E0@misnt1.rely.com>; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:56:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: Adam Guevara To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" Subject: (I) WISH .... Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:56:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ... I was in bed right now instead of staring, bleary eyed, into this screen... What can I say, Wish was purrfect. The club presence was at an almost nil factor with a few of the SFR Family I got to meet (Justin? Steve S.? Jenn? - Oh, how I hate names)... Dancing all thorough Mystr-E's and MARS's sets, I took a trance nap when the two were going one-on-one... Speaking of which, has anyone had a strange feeling of "going away" while resting to trance music??? It seemed that once the music stopped, I "snapped" back to this reality... Just Curious. Anyhoot, hope to see all your cheery, happy ravey faces @ Charity tomorrow and that beach party thingie on Sunday... Staying in touch, ---Adam "Was that Rave Related???" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 09:12:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA05867; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA05841; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id MAA25530; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:12:05 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04204; Thu, 3 Oct 96 09:12:05 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 253E5DC0; Thu, 3 Oct 96 09:12:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:10:00 -0700 Message-Id: <253E5DC0.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Re[2]: Leeza show (lengthy) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, PETER FOGEL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is a good idea for exploration by a group of people in our scene with a definite purpose in mind. One thing we do have to deal with no matter which scene we go: Here's a little factoid I picked up: In our society 3% are leaders 10% support the leadership 60% follow the masses and 27% are the problem causers. the "27%ers" are the people who's whole purpose in life is to be negative and drage everyone else down into their negative world. How this relates to educated usage, there are a certain percentage of people that are going to abuse drugs anyway no matter what the rest of the people do. I don't think this means we shouldn't educate, we definitely need to. But think about this for a minute. Every profession, every walk of life is permeated with these types of people. Cops Lawyers Doctors Computer Programmers Ravers yes, even dj's. Parents Now there is no really correct way of categorizing, but it is just something to think about. There are certain numbers of people that really just need to help themselves. Provide the education for everyone, fully realizing that a lot of people will ignore it or not be able to comprehend it. deepfog ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Of course I don't think this is souly a rave-related issue, but I do think we should continue to emphasize educated usage and non-usage in our scene, which is something that I have found to be a good part of the history of this list. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 09:21:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA06774; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA06761; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id MAA26016; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:21:46 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04654; Thu, 3 Oct 96 09:21:44 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 253E81F0; Thu, 3 Oct 96 09:21:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:19:04 -0700 Message-Id: <253E81F0.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: ComeUnity rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreview To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Can you rrrrroll yourrrr rrrr'S, now? Jeno was pretty darn good. Simon was pretty darn good. Garth went OFF the scale. We actually left the planet's surface for about an hour, flew by ancient tribal africa momentarily, and time-warped back into the 80's ! Wow, incredible. And when we landed, not a scratch. Thank you a bunchin! dueepfog. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 09:29:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA07467; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA07460; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA12479; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:29:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199610031629.JAA12479@netcom23.netcom.com> To: Rick Riffle cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: power question (RR) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Oct 96 08:14:09 PDT." <199610031514.IAA17360@guilder.ucdavis.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 09:29:44 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > He said to add up all of the ampage > on our gear to see if it would work. So last night I did it, but couln't > find any indication for ampage of any of our stuff....but I did get the > wattage. So here's my question O Keeper Of the Sacred Ampage Knowledge. > How many amps is 771 watts? What is the ratio of amps to watts? Your > insight will be most helpful for I am currently electrically illiterate. Assuming the line voltage is 120 Volts RMS, and knowing that Power == Volts * Current the current (amps) == power (watts) / volts == 771 / 120 == 6.425 amps However, if the way you are coming up with wattage for your power amplifiers is by using the rated maximum continuous output wattage, then the above figure will need to be fudged by approx 50%. Most power amplifiers waste a lot of energy -- a 500W "true class A" amplifier (audiophile) could actually use over 1000W, wasting 500W even while "idling" for example. Most PA amplifiers are class B or class AB which will typically waste 25-50% of the output power. Beyond that, if the amplifier is being strongly driven, it could actually draw 2-3 times it's continuous rated power (+ wastage) for very brief moments of time. (This could be enough to trigger a circuit breaker even if the average power is below 15 Amps.) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 09:51:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA09546; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA09540; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27310; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) To: Flashpoint 99 cc: NRR Central Subject: Re: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah In-Reply-To: <3.0b11.32.19961003014025.00a14470@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Flashpoint 99 wrote: > i have probably known an equal number of people who have used drugs > regularily and people who used alcohol regularily. i personally have never > seen anyone physically or mentally harmed from drug use (unless you count > the rumour about the guy at my high school who was reputedly fed a vial of > liquid acid - and was now on some heavy medication.) however, my father's > dad and three uncles all died from heart disease (they were all heavy > smokers and drinkers), one of my uncles will die very soon from liver > failure due to alcohol abuse, one of my cousins has been in 3 accidents > while drinking and driving, i know more people than i can count on my > fingers that have been hit by drunk drivers, and i have had two friends > rushed to the emergency room to have their hearts shocked back to life from > alcohol poisoning. > > certainly no conclusive, die hard evidence; but i know which of the two - > legal drugs or illegal drugs - that i consider safer. And this is a powerful weapon in the fight to *not* legalize illicit drugs. If people are killing themselves left and right with currently legal drugs, what do you think the result would be if you told that drunken jock(stereotype I admit) that he can now take a sheet of acid, snort a few lines of speed, and shoot heroin legally? Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 10:01:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA10394; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from einstein.hartnell.cc.ca.us by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA10380; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jafar.hartnell.cc.ca.us by einstein.hartnell.cc.ca.us with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA29698; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:07:11 -0700 Received: from JAFAR/MERCQ by jafar.hartnell.cc.ca.us (Mercury 1.21); 3 Oct 96 10:01:52 PST8PDT Received: from MERCQ by JAFAR (Mercury 1.21); 3 Oct 96 10:01:22 PST8PDT From: "AARON TOY *ajtoy/grinner*" Organization: Hartnell College To: Micron Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:00:53 PST8PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: NRR: all this NRR stuff Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Message-Id: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:37:50 -0700 > To: sfraves@hyperreal.com > From: Micron > Subject: NRR: all this NRR stuff > I have been watching this NRR thing go back and forth for a while....and am > now ready to throw in my $.02. Part of the reason i subscribed to sfraves > is for the feeling of community of all the people on here. Now, while i > love to read reviews about parties nad am DEFINETELY interested in all of > the other rave related material, i really enjoy the people and sense of > community that is offered by this list. It is here to serve everyone on the > list and if people want to exchange other information and ideas or plan > things together, then power to them. I mean, where else am i gonna find a > 100 people in the bay area that are into what i'm really into and can easily > exchange information with them. > > I, do however, fully support the idea of putting a NRR heading on all > material that is directly non-rave, that way if u are really against talking > or sharing other ideas with these people, u don't have to. > > I really like the list and everyone on it and would like to see it progress. > > I'll probably get blasted for this, but hey it's how i feel, and i feel like > i have a valid opinion. > > PLUR to every last one of you, > Micron ****************************************************** [snip] Micron, I feel exactly the same way, man. Your opinion is valid and well taken. It is also needed by this list. Thank you... --Aaron ajtoy/grinner "the perpetual lurker" _______________///////////////////_________________ Life is about living... so start living, GODDAMIT! \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ aaron toy 408.678.3013 home e-mail bgonzale@monterey.k12.ca.us ============================================================ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 10:11:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA11582; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA11575; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.hooked.net (moonpup@tuna.hooked.net [206.80.6.42]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16949 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:11:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by tuna.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA21566; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610031711.KAA21566@tuna.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: tribal future ride Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well, here we go again..... I am in need of a ride to tribal future.......anyone willing to take an old timer to the hills........... I will share costs (gas etc..) and will provide a new moonpup tape for your trouble....... moonpup From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 10:11:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA11619; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA11601; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20537 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03686 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.115] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:11:18 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:11:16 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ezra@niles.com (Ezra Schnick) Subject: Re: Leeza show Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hopefully there will be another show someday that will focus on some of the >more positive impacts of raving on people's lives. > you know, the leeza show (and shows of that genre) wouldn't have anything to do with the subject of raves, if there wasn't that "darkside" to them. in the talk show circuit, drugs have always been controversial, and therefore ratings magnets. of course, none of these shows would ever talk only about the grooves and good vibes that happen naturally at these gatherings, because hey, that's boring and not tragic enough. drugs are always going to have a place in our society. there will always be different viewpoints, just like there will be different types of users. but what the hell do i know anyway? just thought i would up the ante to $.06 happy fuzzies, .ez From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 10:20:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA12494; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from viking.dvc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA12487; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by viking.dvc.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0v8rVj-000cKUC; Thu, 3 Oct 96 10:24 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: 96fa295 <96fa295@dvc.edu> To: Andrew Nourse cc: kstuart@mail.telis.org, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Leeza show In-Reply-To: <19961003085209.AAA13934@[205.158.215.178]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sunset is one of the greatest all-time raves!!! On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Andrew Nourse wrote: > At 04:22 AM 10/3/96 GMT, Ken Stuart wrote: > >On Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:21:39 -0700, PETER FOGEL >>Why does it seem that the rave scene in general all over the world, is > dominated > >>by the younger generation? > > We just LOOK younger as long as we keep dancing. > > >>Do you younger ravers think you will stop raving when you get older? > > NoNoNoNoNO! I seem to need to dance *more* as I get older > (but I'm 44, so I guess I wasn't supposed to answer this question). > > >80-90% of the problem is the time of day, ie the midnight to 8 am bit. > > The best raves start in the afternoon and go all night, and into the next > day and..... > so you bring a tent or use the chill room to snooze whenever you're too > tired to move anymore. > > >People over 22 have day jobs. > >People over, say 25, start to feel it more when they stay up all night > >(eg get sick). > > Funny you should mention that.... > > >I know there is more than one reason for the midnight to 8 am aspect > >of raves, but my perception is that the major reason is to keep out > >most people. > > Dancing until the sun comes up does have a certain magic to it, > and I think that's why we do it. Probably none of us get to do it as > often of it as we'd like to. We all have various obligations.... > > Surely you must have noticed an increasing number of daytime raves lately. > These are just the thing for those of us who need to dance, but also need > to sleep. They are often held on the beach or in a park and usually don't > get busted, because it's legal to be there during the day. > > Daytime raves in public places may be the best way to show the essence of > our scene > to people who have not found it yet. Anyone who wants to can come dance > with us. > (They are also a great defense against yellow TV journalism. How sinister > can raves be > if you can hold them in the middle of the day in a park?) > > >I've read plenty of rave reviews here which said something like "at 3 > >am, all the jerks left and then the rest of us got down to dancing". > > Those all refer to events that happen at clubs. The jerk coefficient does > tend to go down > shortly after the bars therein stop serving alcohol. I vastly prefer raves > that are not held > in clubs. > > >So, you can't have your cake and eat it too. > > Yes we can. (Munch munch) Every weekend in and around San Francisco there > are a LOT of parties. Some are in clubs, and some of those go all night, > some don't, > some are in warehouses, summer camps, beaches. Some are so heavily promoted > that you can't avoid finding out about them, some are so underground that > none of us > know about them, and there is everything in-between. > > >Either raves are an underground phenomenon designed to leave out most > >people in order to limit it to people dedicated to the vibe and PLUR, > > > >OR > > > >You want to share raves with the rest of the world, including the > >over-30 crowd, in which case it needs to take place at regular clubs > >between 8pm and 2am. > > Most "regular clubs" are not doing much of anything at 8 pm, that's too > early for them. > I've been to quite a few raves that started that early or earlier, but > almost never a club. > And why must it stop at 2am? You can leave whenever you want, but I usually > want > to stay later than 2, and besides, who wants to drive during the National > Drunken > Driving Hour? Much better to wait until 3 or 4. > > There are quite a few events in clubs. Some of them resemble raves more > than others. > Entirely too many of them DO shut down at 2am. > > The essence of "rave" and the essence of "bar" are to some degree in > opposition to one > another. Often "bar" overwhelms "rave". > > The best place to share raves with the rest of the world is on the beach in > the afternoon. > The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 10:30:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA13433; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA13410; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id KAA07223; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199610031727.KAA07223@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah To: blkadder@value.net Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: erase99@sirius.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "blkadder@value.net" at Oct 3, 96 09:50:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > And this is a powerful weapon in the fight to *not* legalize illicit > drugs. If people are killing themselves left and right with currently > legal drugs, what do you think the result would be if you told that > drunken jock(stereotype I admit) that he can now take a sheet of acid, > snort a few lines of speed, and shoot heroin legally? What always get me wondering is the MARKETING of legal drugs. Its my opinion that we should be free to use and purchase and substance we choose to... Its my body... I'm responsible, and I contribute to this society, yadha yadha yadha.... But I can't beleive we still allow the legal drug manufactures to market their substances. Free choice to use drugs, yes... Subliminal brainwashing to promote the use of these substances, no... HELL NO! I mean, what if drugs were legalized, do you think it would be right to have big billboards all the way up the 101 with yuppie types dressed up having fun at a party promoting how great Cocaine is? How about Grunge Rockers dressed like Calvin Klein models lounging in semi-erotic positions in semi-lucid states promoting Heroin? Yeah, it sounds unbeleivable, but Marlboro Country and Joe Camel and Mr Jenkins are really no different. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 10:52:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA15844; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA15835; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id NAA00969; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:52:08 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09422; Thu, 3 Oct 96 10:52:07 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 253FD4F0; Thu, 3 Oct 96 10:52:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:49:26 -0700 Message-Id: <253FD4F0.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Re[2]: Leeza show To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, ezra@niles.com (Ezra Schnick) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk so true. did you know that the average person watches 8.5 hours of television a day? This is typical american folk. they watch the news and these talk shows where they find the most negative things going on in the world and mainline it into the brains of the average american. and what's happening to our society as a result? its FALLING APART. deepfog ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ you know, the leeza show (and shows of that genre) wouldn't have anything to do with the subject of raves, if there wasn't that "darkside" to them. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 10:55:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA16214; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgate.metricom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA16183; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.183.21.200] ([198.183.21.200]) by rgate.metricom.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10862 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610031753.KAA10862@rgate.metricom.com> Subject: Social and Ethical Chemical behavior Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 11:00:05 -0700 x-sender: deeje@ricochet.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: deeje cooley To: "SFRaves" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >one of my cousins has been in 3 accidents >while drinking and driving, i know more people than i can count on my >fingers that have been hit by drunk drivers DUI, regardless of the chemical in the body, is illegal. More information is available in the CA DMV motor-vehicle handbook. deeje -------------------------------------------------------------------------- deeje cooley Journeyman Software -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 11:02:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA16881; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA16522; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek Chung Message-Id: <199610031758.KAA16522@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk the calendar feels full again with lots of stuff this weekend. i hadn't been out for a while, but i stopped by come-unity last night and it was good to see some familiar faces and to see the party bumpin'. I have to get out more :). This weekend, the Pacific and Charity parties on Friday look pretty swell, and then there's no excuse for missing the Organic in the park on Saturday, it's free and all ages :). Then there's several parties that night for different tastes, and some new stuff has been popping up in the weeklies - i might try out Massa at the Caribbean Zone, then there's new drum n'bass (Sexy TKO & Blueprint), Step Off, Return, Syncopic... THE SFR CALENDAR http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Friday, October 4th - _The X Files_ Jeno, Ghost, Frank Nitty, Donald Glaude, Essence, Kwashi. 415.560.5314 415.509.5736 408.235.9344 Friday, October 4th - Sunset & Electric Co. presents _Pacific_ Solar, Ethan, Galen, Sean Murray, John Howard, Laron, Jason, Lorien, Professor Smith. limited capacity, pre-sale tix 10pm-7am, . 415.985.5264 415.679.3113 Friday, October 4th - Harmony, Gateway, Meridian, Cloud Factory and Pro-Soy presents _Charity_ Zach, Ethan, John Carel, Cloud, Tim Conway, Deaks, Dutch, Trent, Matt, Rich, Shoam, Benji, Huey, Serenity, Stoney, Bonnie, Pete Nice, Lucas. 60% of proceeds go to L.A.C.Y. (Legal Advocates for Children & Youth) 408.486.9591 Saturday, October 5th - SpaceMinD Productions! presents _Free Life_ Kwashi, Henry, Casper, Spech, Miss Piggy, Fro , Kevin Kind, guests. Visuals by SpaceBoy, Tri-Lasers. noon-10pm, Free. 415.286.3495 Saturday, October 5th - Burning Youth presents _Rain Cry_ An event held in tribute to the Indian Summer Dutch, Essence, DJ Strata, Brainee, Moises (aka Mofo), Taj. Outdoor space, so dress accordingly & please carpool 415.342.6763 Saturday, October 5th - Nomad Interactive presents _Love Thang_ Gouracandra, Spun, Jeno, Simon. Proceeds will help support Omar of Harmony 415.541.5646 415.541.5678 Saturday, October 5th - _The CCC Goes East!_ All night psychedelic trance. Goa Gil, Craig, Neal. proceeds will help pay back our Burning Man debt 415.487.7817 Saturday, October 5th - Dimension Se7en and XLR8R Magazine presents _an all-night release party_ John Howard, Andrew Rawnsley, Grey-V, Professor Smith. 10pm- $8. 415.356.8370 Saturday, October 5th - Funky Tekno Tribe presents Organic in the Park autumnal celebration Jeno, Markie, Charlotte the Baroness, special guests. sound by Wicked Turbo Sound noon-6p, All ages, Free. the Bandshell, Golden Gate Park, SF. Sunday, October 6th - _Dub Mission_ SF's only dub night Sep, Jah Bill, DJ J.Boogie. first Sunday of each month 9pm-, 21+, $3. the Elbo Room, 647 Valencia @ 17th, SF. Friday, October 11st - Benefit for Prop 215 Jonah Sharp, DRC, Ethan, Alex, Noel, Mars, Liquid Acrobat, DJ Flux, Sunflowerfish, Astral Matrix, Mystr-E, Bass Travelers, Theta Blip, Tracy, Terbo Ted, Gabreal, Pongoid, Polywog, Ellen Ferrato, O.S.T., Gabber Dave. Visuals by Hyperdelic, Gateway, Peter Booth Lee. $10-$15 sliding scale w/canned food donation. 9pm-8am, . Cannabis Buyers Club, 1444 Market St, SF. 415.790.0083 Saturday, October 12nd - Cloud Factory presents _Planetarium_ proceeds split between Cloud Factory Sound Fund / Omar's Healing Fund drenalin, inTIMidator, deaks, cloud, brian flipp, maya, k-go (st.louis), swoops, jeyson, spinsilver, gizmo (eug), jeremy/tim (live pa), mike clay (live pa), jason (sd), lee, astronaut scott, jeff (lettuce dance), stonie, monty, joe rice, brad (c-lab), guests. runs thru Sunday $15. mendocino. Saturday, October 12nd - Ghosttribe and Six in da mornin presents Ground Zero Ghost, Omar Santana, Kelly Reverb (Tx), Eric Davenport (LA), Jim Hopkins, Frank Nitty, Terence Toy (LA), Simon, Essence, Tripnotix, Kwashi, Jazz-e, Kimo, Atomix. Visuals by Pink Six - Visual Anime (seattle), LSD. $5 off b4 midnight w/stuffed animal or new toy holistic sanctuary by Nexus 800.590.7032 888.550.0577 415.208.5197 510.319.0635 Saturday, October 12nd - Out-A-Sight Doc Martin, Jeno, John Howard. Visuals by Hyperdelic, Mark Johns. 415.437.4462 Saturday, October 12nd - _Skylynx_ Xpress, MK2, guests. 10pm-8am, $5. Sacramento. 209.547.3285 916.759.9683 Saturday, October 12nd - _Tribal Future_ The Soaking Sister to Burning Man Tracy, Garth, Markie, Josh, Galen, Solar, Polywog, Phil Salter, Travis, Corbin, Everett. advance tix at Open Mind Records runs all weekend (thru 10/14) $20. Fly Geyser, NV. 415.263.3915 Sunday, October 13rd - _universal grooves_ I.Q. from A.D.. free food 6pm-2am, Free. 2050 Bryant St, SF. 415.313.0718 Friday, October 18th - Urth People Productions presents _Purex_ Rick Preston, Liquid, the Baroness, Jack Tripper, Bohonos, Harry How?, Azma, Rif Raf, Abstract, Wunjo, keyboards by Sengei. 9pm-7am, . 408.997.6063 415.646.0518 Friday, October 18th - _Common Ground_ Dubtribe, Donald Glaude, Jeyson, Jeno, DJ Skunk, Carlos Campos. dedicated to the memory of the man who taught us how to open our minds and expand our consciousness, Dr.Timothy Leary 916.558.0850 415.273.1345 Friday, October 18th - _Frequency 8 _ cybertrance communication Mars, Myster-E, DRC, Ethan. indoor event. tix available day of event at F-8 (1816 Haight St) $10. 415.541.5019 Saturday, October 19th - team sunshine presents _bionic_ DJ Feelgood (Baltimore), Jim Hopkins, Mathew, Radley, DJ Crust, Bippy, more. more info to follow... Saturday, October 19th - Nomad Interactive presents _XNTRK_ one year celebration DJ Dan, Markie, Minor Minor, Tracy, Traxx (Chicago). 415.675.5605 408.236.3398 916.484.4213 Saturday, October 19th - _Get Down Get Down Get Down_ Terry Mullan, Johnny Fiasco, Mark Farina, Robbie Hardkiss, Steve Loria, Doran. $12 presale, $15 b4 midnight, $20 after midnight. details to follow... 415.905.4455 415.995.4635 Friday, October 25th - _Thanatopsis_ full moon party Dextrous (Frankfurt), DRC, Ellen, Lewis, Riz (Seattle). Proceeds to benefit Maitri AIDS Hospice and the UCSF Center for AIDS Prevention Studies 9pm-close, 21+, $7. Mission Rock Resort, , SF. 415.621.5538 Saturday, October 26th - funky tekno tribe presents halloween tribal massive Graeme, Tony, DJ Dan, Jeno, Josh Wink, DJ Sneak, Phil Smart, Pete Avila, David Harness, Jay-J, Harry Who, Barry Weaver, Marques Wyatt, Terence Toy, The Wamdue Kids (Strictly Rhythm), Raymond Roker, Josh Swissman, Noel, U.F.O., Stareyes, Dieselboy (Pittsburgh), DJ Rap (UK), DJ S (UK), MC Warren G (UK), Jason Bentley, Bruno Guez, Jun, Tomas, Felix the Dog, Nightmares on Wax - DJ Ease (UK), Springheel Jack (UK). presale tix $20 at Housewares, Solid Grooves & In Tha Mix. 8pm-7am, $25. 415.266.8215 415.266.9215 408.236.2205 916.484.3727 Wednesday, October 30th - Blasthaus presents _Up n'Atom_ Ammon, Felix the Dog, Professor Smith, Solar, Daum, John Howard, Miquel, Robbie Hardkiss, DJ Fluid, Soulstice, Laron. The last wednesday of every month 21+. 111 Minna St, SF. 415.605.7949 Thursday, October 31st - Feel Good Entertainment presents _Spirit_ Halloween Full Moon Celebration details to follow Saturday, November 9th - One Track Mind presents _That Girl Mona_ An unprecedented night of Chicago Ghetto Trax DJs! DJ Funk, Deeon, Milton. 415.208.3418 Saturday, November 30th - _Tribal Funk 3 year birthday party_ details to follow... _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... Thursday Lift - House, Funk w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jay-J, Black, guests. 12mid-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma, SF. 415.267.5984 Velvet Shop - House, Techno. 21+, $5. 14 S Second @ Santa Clara, SJ. 408.235.1556 Full House - Acid Jazz, House w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen, Andrew Rawnsley, Bruno Ybarra, guests, live musicians. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. Miss Pearl's Jam House, Eddy & Larkin, SF. _Le Jazz Hot!_ - future sounds for jazz heads w/DJs Andrew Jervis, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Nickies BBQ, 460 Haight, SF. 415.621.6508 _Real_ - house, techno. every first Thursday of the month 9pm-2am, 18+, $7. Pantages Theater, 1225 K St Mall, Sacramento. 916.565.9588 _Revolutionary Wax_ - coax your evolutionary ass w/DJs Consuelo Kevin, John John (Open Mind), James (Tweekin). 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th St, SF. 415.252.7740 _Green_ - house, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 10pm-2am, 18+. the top of the Wharf Cafe, the end of the Santa Cruz Wharf, Santa Cruz. ThurZdaze - bringing you the true frisco groove w/DJs DJ Dan, Donald Glaude, guests. 415.605.1915 510.726.5947 _Seven Up_ - house w/DJs Guests weekly. 10pm-, 21+. Germania Lounge, 261 N.2nd St @ Julian, San Jose. _soulvation_ - acid jazz, hiphop w/DJs Roman, George, Aural B, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. elbo room, 647 Valencia, SF. 415.522.2946 _Osmosis_ - house w/DJs Pete Avila, Jeno, Martha Wash (live), Jocelyn Brown (live). 10pm-4am, 21+, $10. V/sf, 278 11th @ Folsom, SF. 415.280.5850 Funktion - house, dub w/DJs guest DJs weekly. free before 10pm 9pm-2am, $5. Maritime Hall, 1st & Harrison, SF. 415.273.5308 [10.3 - Doc Martin, David, DJ Dan, Miquel] _Pure Sugah_ - house, hiphop, soul w/DJs Julius Papp, Jay-J, Grey-V, Kwai, guests, live performers. free b4 10:30pm 9pm-2an, 21+, $3. The Usual, 400 South First St, San Jose. 408.535.0330 _Half & Half_ - house w/DJs Frankie T., Jeff. the Agenda cellar, 399 S First St., San Jose. _Deliverance_ - house w/DJs Jeno, Garth, Phil Salter, Travis. 9pm-3am, 21+, $5. 111 Minna St, SF. 415.248.1799 _Rhythm_ - house, techno w/DJs Derek, Toby, Daniel, Joe Brown, Stevian, Mark Willson, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Club Phoenix, 325 S.First St, San Jose. 408.987.9193 _Sexy T.K.O._ - abstract drum and bass w/DJs Sonic Pioneer, Starsky, eclectic guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $4. 577 Howard St, SF. Friday _ Sound Factory _- House w/DJs Pete Avila, David Harness, guests. 9:30pm-7am, 21+, $10. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Soul'd Out_ - House w/DJs Julius Papp, Rick Preston, guests. free before 10:30 9pm-, 21+, $5. The Usual, 400 S.1st St., San Jose. _Nocturnal Transmission_ - House w/DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez, Saint John, guests. $5 before midnight. 11pm-5am, 21+, $10. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.957.1730 _Liquid Fridays_ - House w/DJs various DJs. 10pm-2am, 18+, Free. 2721 Broadway, Sacramento., Sacramento. 916.484.4285 _Nikita_ - house, techno w/DJs Jeno, Simon, Henrik. 10pm-6am, 21+, $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568 _Beats_ - house, breakbeat, trance w/DJs Carlos Campos, Karizma, weekly guests. 7042 Folsom Blvd between Howe and 65th, Sacramento. 415.273.1345 916.558.0850 _the atomic cafe_ - acid jazz, trip hop, house w/DJs Finn, Matty B, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. Voodoo, Eddy & Larkin, SF. 415.267.4822 OM lounge - trip-hop, house, acid jazz w/DJs Is, guest DJs weekly. 9pm-2am, 21+, $1. Minna Street Gallery, 111 Minna St, SF. [10.4 - Andrew Jervis] [10.11 - Laron, Poetry by Ismael] _Blueprint_ - Space Age Pop Meets the Abstract Sound of Drum and Bass w/DJs Sonic Pioneer, Bald Elvis, Starsky. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 579 Howard St, SF. Saturday _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady, Nikki Rivera, guests. saturday morning 6am-, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF. _Sound Factory _- big club sounds 9:30pm-4am, 21+. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr. Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457 55 - House, Euro w/DJs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez, guests. 21+. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.267.1858 _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights. 10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903 _Metro Jazz _- Acid Jazz w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Mauricio Avilas, Tom Thump, Franky, guests. 10pm-, 21+, $7. , SF 415.597.1010 _Loveworks_ - house w/DJs Dani, Pete Avila, Neon Leon, guests. 9pm-infinity, . 111 Minna St, SF. 415.646.0744 _hedquarters_ - downbeat adventures w/DJs Tomas, Markus, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $5. Voodoo, 601 Eddy between Polk & Larkin, SF. 415.974.4358 [10.5 - Gabe Real (T.H.C.) release party] [10.12 - DJ Bambi (Chicago by way of Paris)] [10.19 - Sifu] [10.26 - Tom Thump] _Massa_ - Trip hop, trance hall dub w/DJs Spun, Markie, inna city, guests. 11pm-5am, 21+, $8. Caribbean Zone, 55 Natoma St, SF. Sunday _ Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel, weekly guests. free b4 10:30p includes tecknotica (deep inside Spundae) 10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389 _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore, SF. 415.771.2583 _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256 Quench - House w/DJs Rick Preston, Ryan Tapia, guests. 21+. Hi-Fi Lounge, 2nd & Santa Clara, San Jose. 408.535.0330 subbass - jungle, drum'n'bass, trip hop w/DJs noel, abstract, jawbone. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 270 Brannan @ 2nd, SF. 415.905.8865 Strawberry Sundays - techno, house w/DJs Dutch, Jazz-E, Corey, Oscure, Jesse. $5 for under 21;. 6am-, 18+, $3. Bahia, 1600 Market St., SF. 415.635.9183 _Sunday Roast_ - techno? w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 9pm-2am, . Mick's Lounge, 2513 Van Ness, SF. 415.928.0404 _Irtu_ - acid jazz, funk, rare groove w/DJs Tom Thump, guests. live entertainment weekly 9pm-2am, . 685 Sutter @ Taylor, SF. 415.270.3183 _Return_ - house, trip hop w/DJs Jeff, Tracy, Grey-V, guests. the Usual, 400 S First St, San Jose. 408.535.0330 Monday _Noc Noc_ - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJs Mohsen. 21+, Free. 557 Haight St., SF. _Tongue n' Groove _- trip hop, jungle, acid jazz w/DJs Felix the Dog, Darkhorse, Thomas, Tom Thump, Pollywog, Laron, Anna, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. Cat's Grill & Alley, 1190 Folsom @ 8th, SF. 415.431.3332 _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu, stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151 Folsom St, SF. _21st sensory _- abstractbeatz-hiphop-dub-drum n'bass-electro w/DJs Tomas, Abstract, guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.974.4358 _mad_ - trance, electro, old school, minimal, hard, detroit, acid w/DJs Alex, Joe Rice, Monty, Sho, guests. 2$ before 11pm 10pm-2am, 18+, $3. Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market St, SF. Tuesday Breathe Deep - House w/DJs Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. 1015 Folsom., SF. 415.998.9515 _Succotash!_ - tasty jazz - funk - beats - space w/DJs tom thump, rasta q-tip. 21+, Free. up & down club, 1151 folsom st., SF. _supper_ - funk, acid jazz w/DJs Caspar, guests. 21+, Free. Julie's Supper Club, 1123 Folsom @ 7th, SF. 415.861.0707 _Lost in Space_ - house, hip-hop w/DJs Pause, Dark Money, Winnie B, Eric Lacy. 21+, Free. Cafe Mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF. _Eclectic_ - house, jungle, drum & bass w/DJs Yamu, Siege, Franko, Foster, guests. Fresh fruit & condoms to all 9pm-2am, 21+. Paradise Bar & Grill, 5356 College Ave, Oakland. _The Deep_ - house, techno. 9pm-2am, . Palookaville, 1133 Pacific Ave, Santa Cruz?. 408.425.3316 _Speakeasy_ - Good Music. Deep House to Jungle w/DJs Shannon, Mauricio, guests. every other Tuesday 9pm-2am, $2. Coco Club, 139 8th St, SF. _Syncopic_ - Psychostoneyrollerbeats w/DJs Arkay, guests. every other tuesday starting 10.8.96 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. the Top, 424 Haight St, SF. [10.22 - Moonpup] Wednesday _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first Wednesday of the month. 10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815 _Roots_ - House, Dub, Reggae w/DJs Garth, Jeno, guests. Buna & guests in the dub reggae room 10pm-4am, 21+, $6. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.512.5713 _Thirsty_ - tasty house tunes and even better company w/DJs Jellybear, Jay-J, top notch guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _The Lounge_ - 9pm-3am, 21+. 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.922.8041x4240 _Wish_ - techno, house w/DJs guests weekly. Lighting by EyeTribe 18+. Bahia, 1600 Market St, SF. 415.436.0663 _Belief_ - house w/DJs Julius Papp, Harry Who?, Rick Preston. begins 5.22. 10pm-, 21+. Agenda basement, 1st & San Salvador, San Jose. Boogie Bowl - house, techno w/DJs John Howard, Sean Murray, Dave, guests. admission includes bowling and pool. 10pmm-3am, $8. Country Club Bowl, 88 Vivian Way @ E.Francisco, San Rafael. 415.679.3113 _Flux_ - techno, house w/DJs DJ Dan, guests. 10pm-4am, 18+, $6. 817 China Basin, SF. 415.541.5646 _Groove_ - techno w/DJs Dreamer, Carlos, special guests. 10pm-?, $5. 415.437.6905 _Step Off_ - acid jazz, trip hop w/DJs Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius Papp. begins September 18th 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * the Buzz-line, a global party network - 415.568.1338 * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Fatline - 415.207.3668 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Monday afternoon 12:30-3:00 pm - DJ Jerecho presents the best of the urban polyrhythmic experience jungle, acid jazz, techno, electro, breakbeat KDVS, 90.3 FM (Davis) * Tuesday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. and Monkeywrench. Varied techno sub-genres, noise, spoken word, world music. KZSU 90.1 (Stanford) * Wednesday night 9pm-11pm - free form music mix. KPFA 94.1 (Berkeley) * Friday 3pm-6pm - free form music mix. KUSF 90.3 (SF) (also available on Realaudio * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Jungle, Detroit, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF) * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1 KMEL. * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF. * Friday night/Saturday morning - the Uncle Noah TV Show - the best in Techno and House music. 3-5am, KDVS 90.3fm (Davis) * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday, 4pm-6pm - "Aural Fixation" w/Ted Vadakan. experimental ambient, trip hop, jungle musicality. KZSC 88.1 fm (Santa Cruz) * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@flux.net * Ambiance Magazine - 9:30p weds-sun PNC Cable 2 (Modesto & Oakdale), 9p fri & sat, marcus cable ch 9 (ceres & turlock). _________________________________________________________________ For a _search_ interface to the calendar, see the Late Train club section (http://www.latetrain.com/clubs/). _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with either the line subscribe sfraves-calendar or unsubscribe sfraves-calendar There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with the line subscribe sfraves in the body of the message. Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 11:05:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA17215; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA17204; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09336 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07446 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.115] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:04:33 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:04:32 -0800 To: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ezra@niles.com (Ezra Schnick) Subject: Re[2]: Leeza show Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >so true. did you know that the average person watches 8.5 hours of >television a >day? This is typical american folk. they watch the news and these talk shows >where they find the most negative things going on in the world and mainline it >into the brains of the average american. and what's happening to our >society as >a result? its FALLING APART. > >deepfog > i think the sad thing here is that as a result of all this neg-frenzied brain feeding is that people are now even more dependent on chemicals and such for enlightenment/happiness/comfort/ and in some sad cases acceptance/hope. it is a sad fact but america needs bad vibes or it wouldn't know what to do with itself. look at the history of this country. what stands out? for that matter, this is why the rave scene gets such the bad rap. others (outside the scene) just cannot understand how happiness can just happen, so they blame it on that "drug thing". if anything the good grooves aren't attributed to just drugs, but hey, how bout the people, music, environment. the drugs should be looked at as the perfect martini at the coolest party. it emphasizes, it doesn't make the scene. it is sad though, to see those few people who rely on the scene for their good vibes. anyways, that's just how i see it........... opalescent wishbones, .ez Ezra Schnick Niles & Associates <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Niles & Associates, Inc. Phone: + 01 (510) 559-8592 800 Jones St. FAX: + 01 (510) 559-8683 Berkeley, CA, 94710 USA Internet: info@niles.com http://www.niles.com EndNote Technical Support: mac-support@niles.com pc-support@niles.com "Serving more than 100,000 users worldwide." <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 11:11:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA17784; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA17778; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scarab@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03096; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Reply-To: KaySEE To: "Niels P. Mayer" cc: San FranDisco Ravers List Subject: Re: Leeza show In-Reply-To: <199610030425.VAA13392@netcom23.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Niels P. Mayer wrote: > > PETER FOGEL : > > Why does it seem that the rave scene in general all over the world, is > > dominated by the younger generation? Do you younger ravers think you > > will stop raving when you get older? > > I think most "popular new movements" are driven by an audience of 16-24 > year olds. There are certainly people on the younger and older sides of > this range, but that segment, IMHO, represents the biggest portion of > the "bell curve." This is what I gather from pictures, movies, stories, > etc that I've seen from the swing movement (e.g. benny goodman, count > basie, duke ellington), be-bop (charlie parker, john coltrane, miles > davis), rock-n-roll (buddy holly, elvis), rock/acid-rock (beatles, > rolling stones, led zepplin), Soul/R&B, Funk, Disco, Punk, Industrial, > Rave, etc. > I think this is true because youth experience a situation similar to the bourgeois. They do not have to accumulate monetary capital in order to survive; it is provided by their parents. Therefore, they have certain luxuries that the bourgeois have. There are less responsibities, to a certain extent. It is easier to be idealistic because one doesn't have to realize their ideals, and a full understanding of why others can't isn't clear. This provides the time and capital to be a part of youth culture. Even youth who work experience something similar. There are less responsibilities to pay for. This becomes painfully obvious to most people when they leave college/high school and have to start paying for their own lives. Another thing with regards to the Leeza show, to some extent it does represent a valid part of raving. Although, it may not be one you or I experience, obviously it effects some teens like the ones on the show. Don't get me wrong, I don't support sensationalistic media, and this show is ALL that and more. But, there lies a grain of truth in it, like Peter (I think) said. I was a teen once, and I remember what it was like to find a place for yourself. Peer pressure means everything, and American teens (and Americans) are hung up with being "cool." You are in this precarious position of not being quite a kid, but not being quite an adult. It is actually a shitty time (at least for me), and you try and grasp for anything that will make you something. Mix that attitude and drugs, and I think you get uneducated use. One thing the show didn't allow was for anyone to explain their position. The teens just weren't well spoken or insightful enough to get their point across. And, they had good points: unity, community, joy, fun, friendship. That probably lies in their own hands, and I would emphasize for children that want their parents to understand them, to be educated about what they do. Also, the parents need to be open-minded and understand the positions of the children. --KaySEE From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 11:26:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA19376; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA19368; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA01846; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:19:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:19:27 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lowe To: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com cc: SF-Raver Family Subject: NRR Re: Re[2]: Leeza show (lengthy) In-Reply-To: <253E5DC0.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 3 Oct 1996 TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com wrote: [snip snip] > In our society > 3% are leaders > 10% support the leadership > 60% follow the masses > and 27% are the problem causers. > > the "27%ers" are the people who's whole purpose in life is to be negative and > drage everyone else down into their negative world. The above statement is rather bothersome to me. Is it negative to *not* follow the masses? I don't think so. I don't think that 27% (not sure I buy the number, either, but that's another story) of people have as their sole mission in life the spreading of negativity. Here's my big problem, though. I don't fit into the leaders. I certainly don't fit into the 10% who follow the leaders. I'd like to think I don't follow the masses. So, according to this "statistic" I am an agent of negativity. I prefer to think of these elements as subversives, agents of change & evolution, chaotes, etc. Not at all negative things, in my mind. Evolution is a Good Thing. Sorry for the NRRness :) : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : : "I believe that imagination is stronger than knowledge - That : : myth is more potent than history. I believe that dreams are : : more powerful than facts - That hope always triumphs over : : experience - That laughter is the only cure for grief. And I : : believe that love is stronger than death." : :: - Robert Fulghum :: :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMlQDh6D2AoV67volAQG6WQf/XFJlqEaVTmG3BYbOzhIWcKKLlgvVp696 UZMzujwM8y+9vQMXudpIzmIcdBfRrX9SKNGDaEydrJGwq2s4y642oLC3x4kuxKul HfqYHxEa5hKCfxoBZmFRQrGMqAkzn9k6WQCXB4lv4VOo9p42X9Lke27rlKD6ILFL 7a205d+0TtlX5ka9YNHGFL2vcNu8RKUHSZW1rzu39nXbyNvQWpWN3CpGEDB+nJOn YrgL6KksXXgMVMv0GzPPF4xcPR97wfLF+ovgC4L5u4PV4QqYF904dhAZESSsw83e a6JaX/+g04qJ852/ohLxrFPiN8pOsuSGhNtdlBJ7UODB4Z3piwfiEA== =FaS/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 11:30:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA19768; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA19757; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id OAA04301; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:30:18 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11891; Thu, 3 Oct 96 11:30:12 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 254063A0; Thu, 3 Oct 96 11:30:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:27:07 -0700 Message-Id: <254063A0.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Re[3]: Leeza show To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, ezra@niles.com (Ezra Schnick) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This country is here today because 57 men risked their lives so we could have a free country. They had problems. Our problems today are a result of our ignorance as a society for allowing the government to take monopolizing control deepfog<-----guilty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ it is a sad fact but america needs bad vibes or it wouldn't know what to do with itself. look at the history of this country. what stands out? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 11:50:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA21944; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hupa.snfc21.pbi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA21918; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (ppp-206-170-1-141.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.141]) by hupa.snfc21.pbi.net (8.7.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA25159 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32540AF8.255E@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 11:50:32 -0700 From: PETER FOGEL X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBWE (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: come/unity References: <19961003085209.AAA13934@[205.158.215.178]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Andrew Nourse wrote: > The essence of "rave" and the essence of "bar" are to some degree in > opposition to one > another. Often "bar" overwhelms "rave". > Overwhelms is right! Its been quite a while since I've been to come/unity, and it will probably be a while before I go back. Most people looked like they were having a great time. The music was GREAT! Because it was so good, I felt frustrated most of the time, as I couldn't find much space to dance. When I would find a space, it didn't take long for a drunk to bounce off me or someone to step on my feet as they tryed getting through to crowd. Too bad it was like a sardine can, because with the great music and soundsystem along with nice visuals I would have had a great time. Didn't seem to thin out much either as the night went on. Happy to see others enjoying themselves. :) peter From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 12:29:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA25694; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laertes.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA25688; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from knegtel@localhost) by laertes.ucsf.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/GSC4.24) id MAA23461 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:29:28 -0700 From: "Ronald Knegtel" Message-Id: <9610031229.ZM23459@laertes.ucsf.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:29:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: Troy Sheets "Re: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah" (Oct 3, 10:27am) References: <199610031727.KAA07223@xanadu.cyborganic.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Oct 3, 10:27am, Troy Sheets wrote: > Subject: Re: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah > > > > And this is a powerful weapon in the fight to *not* legalize illicit > > drugs. If people are killing themselves left and right with currently > > legal drugs, what do you think the result would be if you told that > > drunken jock(stereotype I admit) that he can now take a sheet of acid, > > snort a few lines of speed, and shoot heroin legally? First of all, if they want to they can already do it (and they do). Legal or not, it's all available and being used anyway. And my impression as a European is that the fact that alcohol in the US is still treated as semi- legal (you have to be 21, your ID is checked, you can smoke, drive a car, vote, go to vietnam but not have a beer) makes it that alcohol is used much more excessively here than back home. Most raves in Europe have alcohol, you never have to show ID to get into any bar, club or rave (unless you look really young, i.e. 14-years old) etc. What I'm trying to say is that even in the case of alcohol I have the suspicion that its semi-legal status is the cause of more of the problems. If you educate people and treat them as having a brain they can act rationally. In Holland for instance the use of heroin is still steadily dropping and the junks aging. Heroin in not a cool drug anymore, people know the difference between a (legal) phat joint and a needle in your arm. In the US it's much more difficult for people to discriminate between drugs, since they're told by the government/media/police they're all equally bad and have similar sentences associated with them (and thus all equally interesting to a 16-year old). If you legalize stuff, you'll have to explain to people what they can expect and then let them decide whether they still want to eat a sheet of acid. > What always get me wondering is the MARKETING of legal drugs. Its my > opinion that we should be free to use and purchase and substance we > choose to... Its my body... I'm responsible, and I contribute to this > society, yadha yadha yadha.... > > But I can't beleive we still allow the legal drug manufactures to market > their substances. Free choice to use drugs, yes... Subliminal brainwashing > to promote the use of these substances, no... HELL NO! Hehe, on returning to Holland I will start to work for a drug company there... But it's a business as all others. What scares me the most is the kind of drugs they are trying to sell, especially in the US. It's the kind of "drop a pill, be happy"-attitude. And basically they're giving the people what they want, prozac to feel good, ritalin to keep the kids quiet, tylenol to keep you going even if your body says no and peptobismol to keep you eating even if you're full. It's not even subliminal brainwashing, that has apparently already happened to the masses, it's pretty much in your face I'd say. > I mean, what if drugs were legalized, do you think it would be right > to have big billboards all the way up the 101 with yuppie types dressed > up having fun at a party promoting how great Cocaine is? How about > Grunge Rockers dressed like Calvin Klein models lounging in semi-erotic > positions in semi-lucid states promoting Heroin? Yeah, it sounds > unbeleivable, but Marlboro Country and Joe Camel and Mr Jenkins are > really no different. Exactly. But that doesn't make it good. Back home cannabis is perfectly legal to buy and use. It is however not allowed to advertise for it and this works fine. I could imagine a similar scheme for other drugs. Heroin and cocaine are a different thing, given their addictive nature they should probably be supplied only to those who are addicted by people with a medical background. In Holland, lots of drugs which are illegal here, can be bought in headshop-like stores, apparently big business is not too interested. This probably has to do with that only a relatively small part of the population actually likes to get stoned, even while it's legal and available, while many more people just enjoy to smoke or drink... You see, experimenting with psychoactive substances is not for everybody, some find it scary, some boring, some don't react very well to them etc. The Frying Dutchman > -troy > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me > tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only > http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content > troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within >-- End of excerpt from Troy Sheets -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 12:32:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA26099; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA26067; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.97.35.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:41:49 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <253E81F0.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Joe Rice Subject: Re: ComeUnity rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreview Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:41:49 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 4:19 PM -0000 10/3/96, TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com wrote: > Can you rrrrroll yourrrr rrrr'S, now? > > Jeno was pretty darn good. > > Simon was pretty darn good. > > Garth went OFF the scale. We actually left the planet's surface for > about an hour, flew by ancient tribal africa momentarily, and > time-warped back into the 80's ! Wow, incredible. And when we > landed, not a scratch. > > Thank you a bunchin! > dueepfog. Velocette turned in a pretty kickin' live set down in the basement as well. I gotta say, checking out Come-Unity and just dancing last night reminded me of why I'm in this. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 12:54:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA28375; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA28368; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.86.220.227 (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA12692 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:45:26 -0700 Message-ID: <32541946.53D7@best.com> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 12:51:34 -0700 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR: Bwaaaaaaa! :( Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have a 102 degree fever...there goes the weekend! Have fun at Charity everyone!!! -peace and penicillin- alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 13:26:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA01643; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA01629; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id NAA00184; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:25:11 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <32541946.53D7@best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:25:08 -0800 To: Alex , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: NRR: Bwaaaaaaa! :( Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:51 PM -0700 10/3/96, Alex wrote: >I have a 102 degree fever...there goes the weekend! Have fun at Charity >everyone!!! Maybe you don't have enough MEAT in your diet?! Get better... =) Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 13:35:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA02504; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from funhouse.ten.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA02496; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Feynman.tenetwork.com (external-209.tenetwork.com [192.216.140.209]) by funhouse.ten.net (8.7.6/8.7.2) with SMTP id NAA27332 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3254242C.298C@ten.net> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 13:38:04 -0700 From: Pengo Reply-To: Pengo@ten.net Organization: Pengo Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: raves, drugfests, where and when? count me in!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> The menenites and amish are fairly drug free. I know of no real psychoactive or physiological drugs they ingest, unless meat, vegetables, fruits, starches and sugars fit your definition of drugs? They do drink rootbeer which contains safrole type compounds similar to a precursor of MDMA???>> Well, I guess the foam DOES go straight to your brain. :P (MUG) And my quickie note on the Leeza Show Thingy, I personally wouldn't worry too much about a person(s) opinion if they are able to be swayed by a poorly time-sloted "Talk Show". I know some people have mentioned that some family members seemed to be influenced by that show. I mean no offence to you. -=Pengo=- Blake "Pengo" Merriam "Dosen't it seem ironic to anyone that life on Mars was discovered in a Martian rock on earth; meaning that life on Mars made the voyage to earth 1st?!?" -Me From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 13:38:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA02726; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA02716; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.86.220.227 (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA20669 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:33:55 -0700 Message-ID: <325424A3.F09@best.com> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 13:40:03 -0700 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NRR: Bwaaaaaaa! :( References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tony Rotundo wrote: > > At 12:51 PM -0700 10/3/96, Alex wrote: > >I have a 102 degree fever...there goes the weekend! Have fun at Charity > >everyone!!! > > Maybe you don't have enough MEAT in your diet?! > > Get better... > > =) > Tony HAHAHA *cough* *cough* smartass...heh -alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 13:53:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA04020; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA04008; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:53:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA24177 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:53:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:53:21 -0400 Message-ID: <961003165319_201324675@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Visuals Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have the phone number for Liquid Sircus Delights??? Or any other killer visiual people,companies? Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 14:12:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA06065; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA06058; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA26964 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:10:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Melissa Wong To: sfraves Subject: NRR:Prop. # 215 ¥ AOL Poll (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ************************************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forest, go naked in the summertime that you may regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. -John Whiteside Parson ************************************************************** The following instructions enable one vote in the AOL poll, on California ballot Proposition #215; the medical marijuana initiative. I suspect, somehow, it is limited to AOL subscribers, but I do not know that. Certainly, if you are an AOL subscriber, please vote. If you are not, maybe, give it a try. ______ Instructions from America On-Line: Just copy and paste this screen into an email to screenname RHOYT1968 and we'll publish the results on Monday! PROPOSITION 215: Marijauna is classified in the same category as Heroin and LSD. However, Proposition 215 would change all that. Here is your chance to vote and Speak Out about this controversial issue. 1) Should Proposition 215 be passed or should it be axed? _____ from: Miss Dena Herself From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 14:30:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA08016; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA08007; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA20154; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sidewalk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02869; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:14:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:14:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Timothy McIntyre To: "Niels P. Mayer" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Leeza show (RR in the long-run) In-Reply-To: <199610030425.VAA13392@netcom23.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Neils, You *almost* had it there...although I think you miss an important link between government and popular movements. Eventually, if a movement is big enough to cause a shift in popular consciousness, its effects impact government. Say what you want about the American flavor of democracy, but the fact remains that we vote for our leaders. After you strip away all the arguments about media manipulation and PAC money and whatever other issues are relevant, you're still left with the undisputable notion that one vote equals one vote. So I disagree with your claim that ravers are little sheep who will be squished by the Almighty Powers That Be. Let's look at history, as you wisely did in your post. Take the 60's for instance, an era when Bill Clinton was doing his Rhodes scholarship at Oxford, sporting a shaggy hairdo and mustache, 'experimenting' with inhaling, and protesting the Vietnam War. Al Gore, meanwhile, was at Harvard (another socially and politically active campus), in a time when he attended Grateful Dead concerts (yes, it's true, our VP is a deadhead), and he too embraced the 60's idealism, also "experimented" with inhaling, as he euphemistically put it, and believed that politics was a viable arena to enact social change. And so now, Clinton and Gore have tidied up their image a bit, (they are smart enough to realize they have to--remember, they have to represent the entire country, and change comes slowly) and sure, they play by the Washington rules, but they are still bring as much change as they can given the present environment. [I realize this is starting to sound like a 're-elect Bill and Al' post; that isn't my point, though--I'm trying to show that social movements' ripples can have long-term effects on government.] Now, if everyone in our generation raved, and then when we grew up and were given the keys to Washington, do you still think we'd 'clamp down on the little froggies'? I certainly don't think so. best, Timothy _________________________ sidewalk@uclink2.berkeley.edu "Remember the future" -U2 On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Niels P. Mayer wrote: > > PETER FOGEL : > > Why does it seem that the rave scene in general all over the world, is > > dominated by the younger generation? Do you younger ravers think you > > will stop raving when you get older? > > I think most "popular new movements" are driven by an audience of 16-24 > year olds. There are certainly people on the younger and older sides of > this range, but that segment, IMHO, represents the biggest portion of > the "bell curve." This is what I gather from pictures, movies, stories, > etc that I've seen from the swing movement (e.g. benny goodman, count > basie, duke ellington), be-bop (charlie parker, john coltrane, miles > davis), rock-n-roll (buddy holly, elvis), rock/acid-rock (beatles, > rolling stones, led zepplin), Soul/R&B, Funk, Disco, Punk, Industrial, > Rave, etc. > > Take a look at the movies we've all seen of fans at Elvis, Beatles, and > Stones concerts, or Woodstock -- the majority of audience faces you see > are "teenagers" and "early 20's". While the performers were typically > in their mid/late 20's and 30's. > > Likewise, a majority of press coverage during those times focused on > how the new music/drugs/fashion/sexual-mores inspired degeneracy in the > youth of america... It happened in the 20's with flappers, jazz music, > and alchohol (resulting ultimately in prohibition and the rise of the > mafia to distribute alchohol). And it's happened in the 60's, and 70's > and 80's and 90's with the associated musics and inebriants of > rebellion, and the opposing laws, prohibitions, and criminal > profiteers. > > So while y'all think you are breaking down societal barriers with yer > newfangled trendy shit, just remember.... Same as it ever was, same as > it ever was... The more things change, the more they remain the same. > > One day, some of you youngins will become parents, and you'll be > wondering why the fuck junior is going off to monotonously repeating > pulsing squarewaves on his stereo, head plugged into a > stereotaxicvirtualreality simulator, and electrodes plugged into the > temple causing his brains to smoke and limbs to twitch spasmodically to > a rhythm you can't comprehend, and you'll say -- damn kids today! and > junior will say oh maaaaw, you just don't understand! > > PS: one thing I've been thinking about w/r/t the Leeza show. Perhaps > this is the first real evidence that "Rave" is going to become an > official mainstream way for kids to rebel against their parents. It's > almost as if TV is now instructing kids all over amerikkka -- hey > really want to piss your parents off -- go to a rave! parents will do > their part by saying "Johnny, you're not going to those raves are you" > to which lil Johnny suddenly takes great interest in because it has > become "Taboo". > > Why would TV set out to create an official mode of rebellion for youth? > Because there's a lot of money to be made selling records (Rap/Hip-Hop > becoming a rather played-out and politically dangerous/divisive form of > youth rebellion). To say nothing of the "all new" fashions that parents > will have to clothe their kids in so they can stay hip and popular. To > say nothing about all the new drugs the CIA can start selling to the > youth of America without even risking importation. ANd best of all, > there's no lyrics in the songs telling kids how fucked up the > government is, or to go out and kill cops! Just a bunch of blissed-out > sheep bleating "PLUR" while the government clamps down on yer rights > slowly, steadily. Turn up the heat slowly and the frogs in the pot > don't jump out, they cook! Cook lil froggies cook! > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.3 > > mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP > Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 > X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR > tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU > +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM > M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F > naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== > =RUx1 > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 14:34:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA08480; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trix.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA08474; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jwiley@localhost) by trix.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA20599 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:34:18 -0700 From: Jay Wiley Message-Id: <199610032134.OAA20599@trix.cisco.com> Subject: NRR:Prop. # 215 ¥ AOL Poll (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > The following instructions enable one vote in the AOL poll, on California > ballot Proposition #215; the medical marijuana initiative. > > I suspect, somehow, it is limited to AOL subscribers, but I do not know > that. Certainly, if you are an AOL subscriber, please vote. If you are > not, maybe, give it a try. > > ______ > > Instructions from America On-Line: > > Just copy and paste this screen into an email to screenname RHOYT1968 and > we'll publish the results on Monday! > > PROPOSITION 215: Marijauna is classified in the same category as Heroin > and LSD. However, Proposition 215 would change all that. Here is your > chance to vote and Speak Out about this controversial issue. > > 1) Should Proposition 215 be passed or should it be axed? > _____ > I think this will end up getting a very skewed results. Many people not from California (or even in California) do not know what 215 is about and this really doesn't tell them. It just asks if you think Marijuana should be in the same category as Heroin and LSD. j From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 15:08:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA12361; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA12350; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:08:20 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id SAA16754; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:08:13 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21394; Thu, 3 Oct 96 15:08:12 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 25439580; Thu, 3 Oct 96 15:08:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:05:52 -0700 Message-Id: <25439580.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Re: NRR Re: Re[2]: Leeza show (lengthy) To: David Lowe Cc: SF-Raver Family Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk good observations. i don't have all the answers, so i might add that your opinions are just as important as mine, if not more in your case. I didn't post these stats to try to prove my intellegence; I don't need to be that smart or important. I just found that they were fascinating and wanted to share them with the collective brain here. Whenever we classify people into categories, there will obviously be some overlap. For instance, there were times when I by running a self-diagnostic, that at some instances, at different times, fit into all of the categories provided, and sometimes, none. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > In our society > 3% ......bla blah blah The above statement is rather bothersome to me. Is it negative to *not* follow the masses? I don't think so. I don't think that 27% (not sure I buy the number, either, but that's another story) of people have as their sole mission in life the spreading of negativity. Here's my big problem, though. I don't fit into the leaders. I certainly don't fit into the 10% who follow the leaders. I'd like to think I don't follow the masses. So, according to this "statistic" I am an agent of negativity. I prefer to think of these elements as subversives, agents of change & evolution, chaotes, etc. Not at all negative things, in my mind. Evolution is a Good Thing. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 15:13:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA13016; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA13004; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <546458(2)>; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:13:01 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 15:08:25 PDT From: "King Jester" To: Jondabomb@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Visuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <96Oct3.151301pdt.546458(2)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:08:25 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jonathan wrote: >Does anyone have the phone number for Liquid Sircus Delights??? Or any other >killer visiual people,companies? >Jonathan > Why don't you talk to Mike Clay, he does some cool visuals, along with Black Adder. The Jester "Anything for a Laugh" --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 16:02:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA18544; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA18536; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plasticdreams.sonoma.edu (SA-6EN38.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01IA7N657POG9LZG2K@SONOMA.EDU>; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:02:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:04:15 -0700 From: Jonas Hanning Subject: Re: Visuals - NRR!!! X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu To: King Jester Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <3.0b28.32.19961003160413.006b0fb4@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b28 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>Does anyone have the phone number for Liquid Sircus Delights??? Or any other >>killer visiual people,companies? >Why don't you talk to Mike Clay, he does some cool visuals, along with Black >Adder. >The Jester > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >--------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry for bringing another NRR-question into this, but do you read EVERYTHING on this list from hotmail? A WEB-BASED mail reader? ;) reespect, jonas *********************************************************** * <> <<>> <> * * <<>> * * "still listening to wax, i'm not using the cd..." * *********************************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 16:52:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA23437; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA23414; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA15781 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:17:45 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA03076 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:15:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:15:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199610032315.QAA03076@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Review: Hawaii X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So how're y'all doing? I just got back from MAUI!!!! Wow, that was SO MUCH FUN! I'd never been to Hawaii before, and it was a blast! I'm already planning my next tropical getaway. Rented a jeep and took the top down, wore little more than a bathing suit for 4 days. Snorkelling, jet-skiing, hiking through the jungle, exploring *amazing* tidepools, laying on the beach at night and staring at the stars. Yow. To prevent burning I skipped over the various sun blocks and went for straight up zinc oxide. In neon colors. All over my body. I often mixed and matched colors for the most striking effects... RAVE RELATED: How about this: We missed our connecting flight going back and had to stay in Honolulu for a night. While we were there, we went to Waikiki and visited a club (the folks I was with are more the sports bar types) called {something} McDoogles. That was all well and good, but the club across the street, The Jungle, had serious techno playing! I peeked in and saw intellibeams and lasers and a semi-freaky crowd. I was dying to check it out, but I was cooperative and went to the other club. Which had an excellent band and still succeeded in sucking. Oh well. Almost got a tattoo of a Tikki god (would have been my first) at Skin Deep, down the street from The Jungle, but I backed out since the art there wasn't that great. One of the hamstas announced he was staying. Yes, Spaz is realizing his native Hawaiian heritage (who knew?) and has set up a surf shop on Maui renting tiny little surf boards and boogie boards to rodents. Mostly he sits in front of his shop on the beach under a little umbrella, wearing shades, sipping Coconut Mai Tais and wiggling his pink toes in the sand, listening to tapes by Doc Martin and Moonpup. He said to say, "Aloha", and promises he'll send the occasional post card. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 17:11:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA25404; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA25392; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id RAA14602; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:11:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199610040011.RAA14602@netcom23.netcom.com> To: Timothy McIntyre Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" , jack@twaxx.com, geoffw@v-site.net, jasong@eit.com Subject: Re: Leeza show (RR in the long-run) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Oct 96 14:14:05 PDT." Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 17:11:46 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk | So I disagree with your claim that ravers are little sheep who will | be squished by the Almighty Powers That Be. Let's look at history, | as you wisely did in your post. |[...] | And so now, Clinton and Gore have tidied up their image a bit, (they | are smart enough to realize they have to--remember, they have to represent | the entire country, and change comes slowly) and sure, they play by the | Washington rules, but they are still bring as much change as they can | given the present environment. I think the situation is best summed up by a bumper sticker I saw the other day -- "Republicans for Clinton and Gore" -- IMHO, in Clinton's triangulation towards the center/right, he and Gore have actually become republicans. The republican party, meanwhile, has become out-and-out reactionary, even though Dole is supposed to represent the tempered and wise "middle of the road republicans" (as opposed to Pat Buchanan and Jerry Falwell extremists). In pandering to the center, Clinton has left a big gap in representing the very progressives that put him into power. Who is supposed to represent the progressives now that Clinton is representing the middle of the roaders and all but a small mintority of republicans. I resent that and refuse to vote for him or support him for that reason. If he were a man of principle and values, he would stick to his values, to the values of those that elected him. This is the presidency of the united states, not a ff-ing high-school class president popularity contest. There's way too many examples of the republican sell out on CLinton's part. There is no trace of the "60's ethos" left under his command: -- The recent passage of cryptography laws that appear to solve the export problem, but also ensure that the government gets a "back door" -- no more freedom of speech, no more right to assemble in cyberspace. -- Not vetoing the defense of marriage act. -- Not vetoing the welfare bill. -- Recent war in Iraq. -- Caving in to pressure from Republicans to continue fighting the war on drugs "the old fashioned way." -- Caving in to Republican resistance to solve the health-care crisis. The only thing Clinton has done for the progressives came very early in his presidency: -- The Family Medical Leave Act. | Now, if everyone in our generation raved, and then when we grew up and | were given the keys to Washington, do you still think we'd 'clamp down | on the little froggies'? I certainly don't think so. I wish I could be as "positive" about people as you are, but I've dealt with too many real people to know that this is not the case. Most people sell out their values for the comfort of the "american dream" and whatever youthful and idealistic values they might have held near and dear go straight to hell once "adult concerns" (raising kids, keeping a relationship and career balanced, ensuring there's a roof over your family's heads, etc.). Way too many of the hippies that wanted to change the world are now just a bunch of Saab-driving cyberwanks who'd sell out their friends, trash the economy, etc, all just to "get ahead." Just 'cause Bill Clinton inhaled (though he denied it), and just 'cause Al Gore was a Dead Head (hey, I've known some Deadheads that were utter assholes) doesn't mean jack. Michael Milken and Donald Trump partied as well, probably wore their hair long in college (otherwise they'd'a been square and wouln't have gotten laid) and it didn't make them better people, or less greedy/destructuve. What are most people going to do but follow the mainstream culture/fashion of their time?? I think things are worse off for the Rave scene than they were for the 60's/70's. Ravers don't have a "message" that they are trying to get out. The message is inward-directed, self-change-directed, as if people have given up on being able to change the world and just want to hallucinate it all better. They want to "do our thing" in private, out of sight from the judging eyes of society... underground is good, mainstream is bad, and all that. Don't rock the boat is the corollary of "respect" , "it's all good" is the corollary of "peace love unity"... Ravers songs don't have protest lyrics, political/social/religious discussions on SFraves are hushed as "non rave related"... we have misinterpreted Leary's "tune in, turn on, drop out" message so that we revel in infantile helpnessness, trying nonsensically to go back to simpler times when other people nurtured us and we had no worries. That's all good and fine, everybody needs a vacation now and then, but it's not going to solve any problems, and nobody's going to "dose the world..." and make it all better. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I see the rave movement following the same ineffectual "solve all our problems through drugs" ethos that made the whole hippy movement useless. IMHO, the real messages of the time were coming out of Soul, R&B, and Funk. Where is the rave equivalent of Marvin Gaye's "what's going on" (1971) which is probably one of the most important, poignant, chilling anti-war albums of all time. Hell, you've got Sly And the Family Stone's "Babies Makin' Babies", "Everybody is a Star", "You can make it if you try", or "Everyday People"... versus "Puff the Magic Dragon." The real message of the 60's and 70's didn't even come out of the Hippy movement cause all those white college kids weren't being sent off to war, it was the underclass black/latino/white-trash that were getting shipped over to 'nam. Meanwhile all the hippies were sittin around having casual sex, casual drugs and listening to "EIght Miles High" while spewing a bunch of philosophical drivel straight outta their college textbooks. Basically, I think we got the wrong Clinton in the White house -- shoulda been George Clinton cuz he understood the issues, the vibe, and how to have real fun. Meanwhile the hippies were just navel-staring and preparing to become yuppies and libertarian-i-got-mine-now-you-get-yours selfish bastards in the 80's... (Please realize I'm playing devils advocate here, as I fully appreciate the nonverbal, nonrationalistic, animal togetherness that raving does bring through the beat and dancing alone. But other than feeling good, I don't think it is going to solve any problems -- after the parties over, you still have to deal with life. It's just a party.) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 17:28:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA26733; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA26716; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA27081; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:27:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.sfsu.edu: dislex owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: Joe Rice cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ComeUnity rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk come-unity is definatelly a weird movie. it's been almost a year since i'd been to one and i think it's safe to say that it'll be another year before i step foot in there again. to this day, Kevin Grisell refuses to let that party die. i've never seen such devotion in a raver before ... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 17:29:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA26852; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA26845; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA29426; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:27:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Troy Sheets cc: erase99@sirius.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah In-Reply-To: <199610031727.KAA07223@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Troy Sheets wrote: > But I can't beleive we still allow the legal drug manufactures to market > their substances. Free choice to use drugs, yes... Subliminal brainwashing > to promote the use of these substances, no... HELL NO! Drug companies have some *very* deep pockets. Who do you think runs the FDA? > I mean, what if drugs were legalized, do you think it would be right > to have big billboards all the way up the 101 with yuppie types dressed > up having fun at a party promoting how great Cocaine is? How about > Grunge Rockers dressed like Calvin Klein models lounging in semi-erotic > positions in semi-lucid states promoting Heroin? Oh you haven't seen the latest Calvin Klein commercials. Someone coined the term "heroin-shiek" Yeah, it sounds unbeleivable, > but Marlboro Country and Joe Camel and Mr Jenkins are really no different. Stifiling advertising sends out mixed messages. On the one hand, we are saying that fill_in_the_blank is a legal substance. But we also say "you can't promote your legal product." Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 18:08:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA29911; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgate.metricom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA29896; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.183.21.200] ([198.183.21.200]) by rgate.metricom.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14608 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610040106.SAA14608@rgate.metricom.com> Subject: It's just a party? Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 18:12:59 -0700 x-sender: deeje@ricochet.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: deeje cooley To: "SFRaves" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >It's just a party I beg to differ. Perhaps you haven't visited your local meat-market/pickup bar/club lately. Raving is not just a party, its a tribal celebration. The closest thing I've seen to this kind of true love of life was a renneasance (sp) faire, and that's mostly staged. At a rave, it feels real to me! And when the (norcal) rave scene decides to direct its strength towards a cause, things happen: earth conservation, helping Omar, supporting legislation, supporting non-profit groups, etc. with a hug of encouragement, deeje -------------------------------------------------------------------------- deeje cooley Journeyman Software -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 18:29:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA01462; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA01453; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.humboldt.edu by axe.humboldt.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #17164) id <0DYQ9GY0100L4D@axe.humboldt.edu>; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 18:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Klassen Subject: Re: FWD>FW- Save PBS (fwd) To: beat and ravish eaters Cc: steve , sd-raves@party.net, hsu-rs105-3@redwood.humboldt.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Anna Pasternak To: hsu-rs394-1@redwood.humboldt.edu Subject: Re: FWD>FW- Save PBS On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Jenifer Pasternak wrote: > Mail*Link(r) SMTP FWD>FW: Save PBS > > Subject: Save Sesame Street from being cancelled. This is a petition > to save Sesame Street. ALL YOU DO IS ADD YOUR NAME TO THE LIST AT > THE BOTTOM, then forward it to everyone you know. The only time you > send it to the included address is if you are the 50th, 100th, etc. > Send it on to everyone you know. > > PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are facing major > cutbacks in funding. In spite of the efforts of each station to > reduce spending costs and streamline their services, the government > officials believe that the funding currently going to these programs > is too large a portion of funding for something which is seen as > "unworthwhile." Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS > equal $1.12 per person per year, and the National Endowment for the > Arts equals $.64 a year in total. A January 1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup > poll indicated that 76% of Americans wish to keep funding for PBS, > third only to national defense and law enforcement as the most > valuable programs for federal funding. > > Each year, the Senate and House Appropriations commitees each have > 13 subcommitees with jurisdiction over many programs and agencies. > Each subcommitee passes its own appropriation bill. The goal each > year is to have each bill signed by the beginning of the fiscal year, > which is October 1. In the instance of the Corporation of Public > Broadcasting, the bill determines the funding for the next three years. > > When this issue comes up in 1996, the funding will be determined for > fiscal years 1996-1998. > > The only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of > support or PBS and funding for these types of programs is by making > our voices heard. > > Please add your name to this list if you believe in what we stand > for. This list will be forwarded to the President of the United > States, the Vice President of the United States, the House of > Representatives and Congress. > > If you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th, etc. signer of this > petition, please forward to: kubi7975@blue.univnorthco.edu. > This way we can keep track of the lists and organize them. Forward > this to everyone you know, and help us to keep these programs alive. > > Thank you. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 1. Elizabeth Weinert, student, University of Northern Colorado, > Colorado. > 2. Nikki Marchman, student, University of Northern Colorado, Colorado. > 3. Laura King, Salt Lake City, Utah > 4. Mary Lambert, San Francisco, CA > 5. Sam Tucker, Seattle, WA > 6. Steve Mack, Seattle, WA > 7. Stacy Shelley, Sub Pop Records, Seattle, WA. > 8. Amy Saaed, Seattle, WA > 9. Jill Hudgins, Atlanta, GA > 10. Alex Goolsby, student, Colgate University, Hamilton, NY > 11. Aisha K. McGriff, North Carolina School of Science and Math > 12. Amy Brushwood, North Carolina School of Science and Math > 13. Mason Blackwell, student The College of William and Mary > 14. Melinda Murphy, student, St. Mary's College of Maryland > 15. Amy Raphael, student, University of Pennsylvania > 16. Nancy Adleman, student, Stanford University > 17. Paul Bodnar, student, Stanford University > 18. Kunal Bajaj, student, University of Pennsylvania > 19. Sharon Seltzer, student, University of Pennsylvania > 20. Sugirtha Vivekananthan, student, University of Pennsylvania > 21. Ann Wang, student, University of Pennsylvania > 22. Seth Resler, student, Brown University > 23. Leslie Ching, student, Brown University > 24. Sylvia Barbut, student, Carnegie Mellon University > 25. Karri Plotkin, student, Carnegie Mellon University > 26. Kamilla Chaudh, student, Emory University > 27. Jon Gordon,student,Princeton University > 28. Nadine Knight, student, Princeton University > 27. Erica Amianda, student, Johns Hopkins University > 30. Rachel Pletcher, student, Johns Hopkins University > 31. Janet Aardema, student, Davidson College > 32. Kelly Kiefer, student, Davidson College > 33. Jane Ruschky, student, Davidson College > 34. Courtney Pace, student, Davidson College > 35. Allison Patten, student, Northwestern University > 36. Chad Ballentine, student, Franklin Road Academy > 37. Allison Patten, student, Northwestern University > 38. Rachel Allen, student, Rhodes College > 39. Mary Rose Herbert, student, Guilford College > 40. Christie Todd, student, Rhodes College > 41. Athena Petropoulos, Rhodes College > 42. Kathryn Hoang, student, Rhodes College > 43. Lan To, student, Rhodes College > 44. Ben Hagy, student, Reed College > 45. Stephanie Marrs, student, University of Pennsylvania > 46. Meg Smith, student, Rice University > 47. Julian Zinn, student, University of Texas > 48. Adam Talianchich, student, University of Texas > 49. Michael GLazner, student, Southwestern Universirty > 50. Katherine Rainwater, student, Southwestern University > 51. Will O'Brien, student, Southwestern University > 52. Meridith McConnell, student, Southwestern University > 53. Amy Cassata, student, Trinity University > 54. Heather Hanchett, student, Trinity University > 55. Mike Elsner, student, Trinity University, San Antonio > 56. ND Victor Carsrud, student, University of Texas Medical > Branch,Galveston > 57. Michael Eisenstein, Engineer, Dallas, TX > 58. Tehmina Banatwala, English Teacher, Houston, TX > 59. Paula Leigh Cox, Account Executive, San Antonio, TX > 60. Jennifer Franks, Account executive, San Antonio, TX > 61. Mike Mineo, student, UT medical school, Houston, TX > 62. Andre de Launay, Amer. Grad. School of Intl.Mgmt, Glendale, AZ > 63. Tawne Bachus, Thunerbird, the American Grad School of Intl. Mgmt., > Glendale, AZ. > 64. Ty Bachus, graphic designer, Herndon, VA > 65. Thomas Inskip, software engineer, Washington, DC. > 66. Dana Hollish, Green Seal > 67. Neil Payne, St. Mary's College, MD > 68. Douglas G. Davis, Gainesville, Fl. > 69. Paula Garfinkle, Potomac, MD > 70. Jeff Boodman, Falls Church, VA > 71. Erica Sangster, Graduate School of Design, Cambridge MA > 72. Nathalia Glickman, Graduate student, University of Oregon, Eugene, > OR. > 73. Chee Chan, Ex-Pat, Singapore > 74. Justin Tan, University of Toronto, Canada > 75. Sue Burrows, McMaster University, Hamilton, Canada > 76. Kelly Cox, York University, Toronto, Canada > 77. Amanda Holt, Ryerson Polytechnic University, Toronto, Canada > 78. Sara Fisher, University of Guelph, Guelph, Canada > 79. Elliot Salmons, Ryerson Polytechnic University, Toronto, Canada > 80. Dori Skye, Ryerson Polytechnic University, Toronto, Canada > 81. Jana Atkins, York University, Toronto, Canada > 82. Joshua Engel, McGill University, Montreal, Canada > 83. Haim Gorodzinsky, McGill University, Montreal, Canada > 84. Melissa Medley, Loyola University Chicago, IL > 85. Kim Puhr, Loyola University Chicago, IL > 86. Lena Dukic, Chicago, IL > 87. Betsy Greer, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC > 88. Lisa Thompson, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC > 89. Ryan Emanuel, Duke University, Durham, NC > 90. Gautham Venkat, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA > 91. Christina Varughese, u of penn, phila, pa > 92. John Varghese, student,University of Md at Baltimore County > 93. Jason Putsche, student, University of Md at Baltimore County > 94. Melissa Koponen, student, St John's University, Queens, NY > 95. Peter C. Frank, student, New York Law School, New York, NY > 96. Mark J. Bousquet, student, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, NY > 97. Roberta E. Chase, student, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, NY > 98. David A. Phillips, student, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, NY > 99. James E. Charbonneau, student, Virginia Tech, VA > 100. Sara M. Eells, student, Virginia Tech, VA > 101. Courtney Reiter, student, Virginia Tech, VA > 102. Larissa Buccolo, student, Virginia Tech, VA > 103. Amanda Hill, student, Indiana University, IN > 104. Tony Grimes, student, Indiana University, IN > 105. Laurie Metzger, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN > 106. Amy Smith, student, University of Maryland, College Park, MD > 107. Michelle Crispino, student, University of Maryland, College Park, > MD > 108. Antonella Cavallo, student, University of Maryland, College Park, > MD > 109. Ranjana Varghese, student, University of Maryland, College Park, MD > 110. Jennifer McCloskey, student, University of Maryland, College Park, > MD > 111. Jenni DuBreuil, student, Salisbury State University, MD > 112. Greg Zapiec, student, Salisbury State University, MD > 113. Helen Woods, student, Salisbury State University, MD > 114. Gary Bringman, student, Salisbury, State University, MD > 115. Dave Rabinovitz, Fan of Snuffulluffagas, New Rochelle, New York > 116. Thea S. Lovallo, Dated Elmo, Port Chester,NY (student) > 117. Scott Johnson, I am the Cookie Monster... Coo Coo Ca Choo > Nashville, > TN (musician) > 118. Emily Johnson, Bert & Ernie fan, Nashville, TN > 119. Greg Engel, I count numbers, Pittsburgh, PA (dentist) > 120. Franco Sicilia, Jr., I loved Mr Hooper, Philadelphia, Pa > 121. Kelly Icardi, Bitten by The Count, Pittsburgh, PA > 122. Lisa Yaszek, graduate student, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI > 123. Grant Carmichael, Sesame St. makes great use of TV, Grand Rapids, > MI > 124. Jeffery J. Glasen, Coopersburg, PA > 125. Laura Trausch Snyder, High School Math Teacher, Lisle, Illinois > -Please don't take away Big Bird! > 126. Christine Holguin - San Diego Ca. - Grew up on Sesame Street!!! > Save it for my kids!!!!! > 127. Bess Baer, San Diego, CA > 128. Candice Anderson, Newport Beach, CA > 129. Rachel Goodwin, M.S., San Francisco, CA I still watch Sesame > Street!! > It's the greatest. Just today I saw Oscar teach Sloppy to > wiggle. > 130. Judy Corse, Jr. High Teacher, Eagle Rock, CA > 131. W. Bruce Watson, Livermore, CA > 132. Ed Costello, Pleasanton, CA. Brought to you today by the number > '5'. > 133. Julie Buehler, San Bruno, CA > 134. Denise Ann Maurer, Palo Alto, CA Save the Snuffle-up-a-gus! > 135. B. Kyle Partridge, Somerville, MA "Mana manam. Doot doo dee doo > doo!" > 136. A.Y. Laury, Somerville, MA The seeds planted by Sesame can one day > save > the world... > 137. Alexis M. Scott, Lexington, MA > 138. S. Steele, Woodbridge, VA > 139. Alexander Whitney, Associate Scientist, Plainsboro, NJ > 140. Monica Belton, Assistant Microbiologist, Andover, NJ > 141. Marika Skiadas, Assistant Microbiologist, Somerset, NJ > 142. Ann Skiadas, Environmental Engineer, Somerset, NJ > 143. Sharone Menczel, law student, University of Pennsylvania where are > the ten missing numbers? (doug anderson, who will be 158) > 153. Beth Ritter, Awards Coordinator-MTV Networks New York > 156. Julie Kellman MTV Animation-MTV Networks New York > 157. Rachelle Etienne MTV Production-MTV Networks, New York > 158. Doug Anderson- Associate Producer- MTV SPORTS, NYC > 159. Cinnamon-Anne Booth-Production Coordinator,MTV House of Style,NYC > 160. Brian Cooper- Production Coordinator, MTV On Air Promos, NYC > 161. Marisa Fazzina- Coordinator, MTV On Air Graphics, NYC Sesame > Street > is part of American History!!! > 162. Lynne Mishele- Freelance Producer, NYC > 163. July Lopez-MTV On Air Graphics,NYC > 164. Henry Lescaille - MTVN Human Resources, NYC > 165. Matthew Larsen - MTVN Human Resources, NYC > 166. Jennifer Langheld - MTV Traffic Assistant, NYC > 167. Alyson Leonard- Coordinator, MTV Production Library, NYC > 168. R.J. Murphy - Studio Manager, MTV Animation, NYC > 169. Michelle Volpe - Office Manager, Cambridge Technology Partners, NYC > 170. Nandita Bery - Software Developer, CTP, NYC > 171. Mike Apmann - Ernie & Bert rock. Computer Geek, Pepsi Cola, Somers > > NY > 172. Sal Ulto - Pepsi Cola Somers NY > 173. Melissa Ulto - Freelance Productions, NY > 174. Bill Aron, Los Angeles > 175. Michael Signer, Notre Dame, IN > 176. Judy Axonovitz -Univ. of Southern California Los Angeles, > 177. Milton DeNicholas - Manager, CFI ProServices, Portland, OR > 178. Pattric Rawlins, Portland, OR. > 179. Janet Petersen, Portland, OR > 180. Kelly J. Horton, Beaverton, Oregon > 181. Tracy Horton, San Jose, California > 182. Karmen Marr, San Jose, California > 183. Gershon Schatzberg - 3Com, Santa Clara, California > 184. Tony Burton, Mission Viejo, Californa > 185. Douglas Morrison, Irvine, California > 186. Kathleen E. Gerakos, University of California, Irvine > 187. Janice K. Nassany, University of California, Irvine > 188. Salomeh F. Dabiri, University of California, Irvine > 189. Luter Liu, University of California, Irvine > 190. John D. Helvey, University of California, Irvine > 191. Mary Patronite, University of California, Irvine > 192. Nancy Chau, University of California, Irvine > 193. Jeff McClain, University of California, Irvine > 194. Terri McClain, University of California, Irvine > 195. Rosie Anaya, University of California, Irvine > 196. Mary Quintana, Corona Unified School District > 197. Laura Popko, University of California, Irvine > 198. Gina Adams, University of California, Irvine > 199. christa piantadosi, southern california edison, rosemead, CA. > 200. Ann Cohn, Southern California Edison Company, Rosemead, California > 201. Pat Murillo, Southern California Edison Company, Rosemead, Ca. > 202. Debbie Nunes, Southern California Edison Company, Rosemead, CA > 203. Dara Morgan, Southern California Edison Company, Rosemead, CA > 204. Jill Reeves, Southern California Edison Company, Rosemead, CA > 205. Darell Holmes, Southern California Edison Company, Rosemead, CA > 206. Lucy Escobar, Southern California Edison Company, Rosemead, CA > 207. Linda Aivasian-Pennino, Southern California Edison, Rosemead, CA > 208. Dianna Young, Southern California Edison, Rosemead, CA > 209. Riki T. Komachi, TBWA Chiat/Day, Venice, CA > 210. Lisa Orrantia, Ketchum Communications, Brentwood, CA > 211. Cori Persky, Ketchum Communications, Brentwood, CA > 212. Kathy Haag, Ketchum Communications, Pacific Palisades, CA > 213. Paul Erickson, Now Software, Portland, OR > 214. Glenn La Rock, Now Softwarwe, Portland, OR > 215. Audrey LaRock, Middlebury College, Middlebury VT > 216. Beverly Keim, Middlebury College, Middlebury VT > 217. Maria Ladle Ristow, Watkins-Johnson Company, Palo Alto, CA > 218. William Hitchens, Watkins-Johnson Co., Palo Alto, CA > 219. Brad Cantos, Power Spectra, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA > 220. Roxanne White, Etec Systems, Hayward, CA > 221. Rick Baldridge, Watkins-Johnson Co., Palo Alto, CA USA > 222. Kenneth Lum, Physician, San Carlos, CA > 223. Edwin P. Ching, Woodside, CA > 224. Sally E. W. Kroeker, Hamilton, MA > 22.5 Richard Leeds, Bellevue, WA > 226. Bruce H. Haley, Seattle, WA > 227. Peter Haley, Seattle, WA > 228. Geoff Manasse, Seattle, WA > 229. Tim J Luddy, PC World, San Francisco, CA > 230. Richard Johnson, San Francisco, CA > 231. Paul Germain, Los Angeles, CA > 232. Rachel Lipman, Los Angeles, CA > 233. Jon Sherman, Santa Monica, CA > 234. Eli Ben-Shoshan, Wichita, KS > 235. Jenifer Pasternak, Wichita, KS > 236. Rebecca Klassen, Humboldt State University, Arcata, CA honk honk > ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ > Received: by SA.GW.TWSU.EDU with SMTP;2 Oct 1996 12:52:01 +0100 > Received: from ictmail01.kochind.com ([146.209.16.81]) by kii.kochind.com > via smtpd (for [156.26.73.79]) with SMTP; 2 Oct 1996 17:51:52 UT > Received: by ictmail01.kochind.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) > id <01BBB060.2E2A8C70@ictmail01.kochind.com>; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:49:42 -0500 > Message-ID: > > From: "Ben-Shoshan, Eli" > To: Jenifer Pasternak , Pasternaks > , Jeff Wallingford , Meir > Ben-Shoshan , Tom Harding > Subject: FW: Save PBS > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:52:00 -0500 > X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version > 4.0.838.14 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 18:42:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA02498; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA02479; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <546287(5)>; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:42:33 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 18:42:32 PDT From: "Otto Matic" To: hanning@SONOMA.EDU, Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Visuals - NRR!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <96Oct3.184233pdt.546287(5)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:42:32 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >From:Jonas Hanning >Subject: Re: Visuals - NRR!!! >X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu >To:King Jester >Cc:sfraves@hyperreal.com >>>Does anyone have the phone number for Liquid Sircus Delights??? Or any other >>>killer visiual people,companies? >>Why don't you talk to Mike Clay, he does some cool visuals, along with Black >>Adder. > >>The Jester >Sorry for bringing another NRR-question into this, but do you read EVERYTHING >on this list from hotmail? A WEB-BASED mail reader? ;) > I do..... otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 18:44:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA02704; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA02696; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id SAA08843; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:44:12 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id SAA04861; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:44:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:44:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: B-Day party thanks. To: sfraves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!! I forgot to thank Aryck who was a tremendous help and also very patient with me. THANK YOU!!!! =) peas, Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 18:44:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA02767; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sco.sco.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA02760; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa12441; 3 Oct 96 18:40 PDT Received: from andrewk.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa23637; 3 Oct 96 18:42 PDT From: Andrew Knutsen To: blkadder@value.net, tsheets@xanadu.cyborganic.net Subject: Re: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah NRR Cc: erase99@sirius.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: ScoMail 3.0.Bd MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9610031830.aa16807@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Stifiling advertising sends out mixed messages. On the one hand, we are > saying that fill_in_the_blank is a legal substance. But we also say "you > can't promote your legal product." Personally I think restricting advertising of drugs is OK... sort of like not allowing yelling "fire" in a theatre (assuming there isn't one). I don't miss the tobacco ads, and I kind of regret that tobacco financed the start of tv and radio because it must have fucked up a lot of people. I think there are also restrictions on hard liquor ads on TV... Hell, if a drug is good, it promotes itself... What was that 60's song -- "god damn the pusher man"... However I definitely agree that illegalization provides incentive to indiscriminate experimentation/use. The less big brother gets involved, the more responsible people are. This is pretty evident if you look at the origins of our current prohibitions: they were enacted, basically, to keep the mob in business when alcohol was re-legalized. Its also obvious when you walk the streets of Amsterdam. The red-light district there is one of the safest in town (or any town), because the cops can do the job they ought to be doing: protecting people from real criminals (ie robbers and rapists). And less people smoke the evil weed because they can smoke pot instead (and that *is* rave-related). Andrew ----------------------------------------- Andrew Knutsen andrewk@sco.com Santa Cruz Operation (408) 427-7538 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 19:27:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA06381; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email.sjsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA06374; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athens (athens [130.65.3.10]) by email.sjsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03123 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:21:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dhiren P. Dasu" X-Sender: udu00726@athens To: sfraves Subject: Fwd: Citizen article on E , (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings and hugz, A friend of mine from l.a. forwarded this to me. I felt obliged to share this with everybody at sfraves. If anybody has more info about this, I would be most curious to hear it. I think I've taken enough critical thinking classes to arrive at a conclusion about the article. Make up your own mind though. Thanks Peace and Love Dhiren ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: AFZAL AHMED To: D Dasu Subject: Check it out, Dasu.(Important pls read) Fwd: Citizen article on E , (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:42:58 -0400 From: DJflex1@aol.com To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu, mw-raves@hyperreal.com, NE-RAVES@world.std.com Subject: (Important pls read) Fwd: Citizen article on E Very important that you read this Article Flex --------------------- Forwarded message: From: hennigar@on.bell.ca (Hennigar, Sean) Sender: sunphlour-errors@lists.best.com Reply-to: sunphlour@lists.best.com To: sunphlour@lists.best.com Date: 96-10-02 12:18:20 EDT _Police seize potentially fatal drug - versions of Ecstasy found in Ottawa_ Ottawa Citizen, Sept 28, 1996. C1 by Mike Blanchfield A potentially fatal version of the designer drug Ecstasy has surfaced in Ottawa, prompting Health Canada to issue a countrywide warning. "It's the first seizure of this type of pill in Canada," said Insp. Dale Begbie, of the RCMP drug section in Ottawa. "The potency is so high it can be fatal. One pill could kill a person." Only 121 pills, worth $25 each on the street, were seized recently with the arrest of a 26-year-old Ottawa man. But officials are concerned more of the extra-strength pills - two to three times more potent than the usual hit of Ecstasy - might be in circulation across Canada and could be unwittingly purchased by people seeking the euphoric effects of this synthetic narcotic. "It suggests the drug may be in use in other parts of the country and it just hasn't been detected yet," said Dr. George Mattock, director of the Bureau of Drug Research with Health Canada. "These are super potent. It's like taking an overdose." Ecstasy - sometimes caleed "E" or "X" - became a fringe culture phenomenon in the early '90s with its use at raves. The warm euphoric glow, lasting four to six hours from one pill, went hand in hand with massive spontaneous dance parties in empty warehouses, known as raves, which have their roots in the British underground dance music scene. Even with regular doses, Ecstasy has been linked to sudden hear and kidney failure, said Mattock. In a public appeal that sounds more like the 1969 public address announcement at Woodstock warning against "bad acid," Health Canada is telling potential Ecstasy buyers to beware by issuing a countrywide warning saying this new version "could prove lethal." "In England, there have been several fatal incidents associated with Ecstasy use at 'rave' parties," the warning states. The round pill features a bird on one side and a slash on the other. "The challenge is to prevent people going to these rave parties from using the pills," said Mattock, whose branch of Health Canada has been analysing Ecstasy for the past six months. Two common forms of Ecstasy have hit the streets in the past: MDMA (which goes by the street name Adam) and MDEA (known as Eve). A typical hit of Ecstasy contains 75 to 100 milligrams of the drug. But these new pills seized in Ottawa contain 300 milligrams or higher, combining versions of Adam and Eve, said Mattock, who analysed the drugs for the RCMP. This new stronger version of Ecstasy was likely manufactured in a lab in Amsterdam and smuggled into Canada by air travellers, says Begbie. The Mounties seized the drug as part of a cocaine bust on Tuesday. Begbie won't divulge how the Mounties may have traced the drug's origin to Amsterdam. OPP Staff Sgt. Doug Wilkinson, head of Ottawa-Carleton's joint police force drug unit, said he doesn't believe the drug is that popular locally. "We've made some seizures and we don't see more of it on the street." He said crack and powder cocaine, as well as hash, are the local drugs of choice. The RCMP has charge Craig Paruche, 26, of Ramsgate Crescent in Ottawa, with trafficking in a restricted druga and trafficking in cocaine. [The Ottawa Citizen can be reached at http://www.ottawacitizen.com if anyone cares to send comments to the editor. There are several factual errors in this piece that should be corrected and it's definitely alarmist. BTW, these E are being called Blue Doves in Ottawa (I think). So far no fatalities. ;) If anyone has any info on these, please post it. If they are, in fact, dangerous, we want to get warnings out to the ravers. Thanks.] -- Sean Hennigar email: hennigar@on.bell.ca ------------------------------------------------------------ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 19:44:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA07694; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA07687; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: from localhost (blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA08264; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:43:57 -0700 (PDT) To: Andrew Knutsen cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: raves, drugfests, blah blah blah NRR In-Reply-To: <9610031830.aa16807@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Andrew Knutsen wrote: > > > Stifiling advertising sends out mixed messages. On the one hand, we are > > saying that fill_in_the_blank is a legal substance. But we also say "you > > can't promote your legal product." > > Personally I think restricting advertising of drugs is OK... sort of > like not allowing yelling "fire" in a theatre (assuming there isn't one). I > don't miss the tobacco ads, and I kind of regret that tobacco financed the start > of tv and radio because it must have fucked up a lot of people. I think there > are also restrictions on hard liquor ads on TV... Hell, if a drug is good, it > promotes itself... What was that 60's song -- "god damn the pusher man"... But this is the rub isn't it? I have seen a lot of people comment about how so many more people have died from legal substances like tobacco and alcohol as opposed to illegal drugs. I just don't see this line of reasoning as helpful in the battle to legalize some of the currently illegal drugs. What do people who say this want? Do they want the currently legal drugs made illegal? Do they want tobacco smokers and drinkers to suffer under the same puritanism and persecution that many of us suffer regarding some currently illegal substances? How many people would die, if suddenly, every drug became legal? How many stupid people, who think that because something is legal it must be ok to consume it in overwhelming quantity, would go out and get themselves hurt, or hurt others, through their own ignorance or lack of caring? What is, and has been, lacking in this equation, at least in America, is education. I have seen it at parties, I have seen it on this list. For example, the dipshit(and I do not apologize for my choice of words) who thinks it is perfectly acceptable to burn a fatty right before hopping into the car and driving home. Would you want this person next to you on the freeway? With so much ignorance among the "rebels" and the unwashed masses alike, is legalization really that great of an idea? Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 20:07:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA09307; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA09300; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp043-sf3.sirius.com [205.134.234.43]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id UAA02697 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:07:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:07:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199610040307.UAA02697@mail1.sirius.com> X-Sender: kerryl@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Kerry Levenberg Subject: raves and rebellion Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 09:25 PM 10/2/96 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > >PS: one thing I've been thinking about w/r/t the Leeza show. Perhaps >this is the first real evidence that "Rave" is going to become an >official mainstream way for kids to rebel against their parents. It's >almost as if TV is now instructing kids all over amerikkka -- hey >really want to piss your parents off -- go to a rave! parents will do >their part by saying "Johnny, you're not going to those raves are you" >to which lil Johnny suddenly takes great interest in because it has >become "Taboo". > >Why would TV set out to create an official mode of rebellion for youth? >Because there's a lot of money to be made selling records (Rap/Hip-Hop >becoming a rather played-out and politically dangerous/divisive form of >youth rebellion). To say nothing of the "all new" fashions that parents >will have to clothe their kids in so they can stay hip and popular. To >say nothing about all the new drugs the CIA can start selling to the >youth of America without even risking importation. ANd best of all, >there's no lyrics in the songs telling kids how fucked up the >government is, or to go out and kill cops! Just a bunch of blissed-out >sheep bleating "PLUR" while the government clamps down on yer rights >slowly, steadily. Turn up the heat slowly and the frogs in the pot >don't jump out, they cook! Cook lil froggies cook! > I am not sure the last of this is true. Politics has some connections to the rave scene, particularly politics of freedom of speech and expression. Know any parties shut down lately by the cops? Wonder why? What could motivate the authorities to shut down a large group of people dancing? It is more than just a clash of cultures. Gatherings are where ideas are spread. Where examples are set. Where small rebellions (drugs, music beyond the norm, youth cooperating together and having a good time) show by their success that other kinds of rebellion are also possible. There is a politics to dancing (licenses, limits on kinds of music, the push for commercialism); there is a politics to rave music (the difficulty in marketing it; its underground nature). There is something very rebellious to being able to hug a stranger in a society that encourages people to stay home, watch TV alone, and be good little consumers. Society no longer encourages people to look around at their community and see that we have common interests. That ravers are able to form their own communities is dangerous, because people who band together have power, a power capable, in principle, of being used against the powers that be. Consider the Medical Marijuana Proposition benifit next week, the Food Not Bombs benifit last week, the crackdown on raves in England and the subsequent movement againt the Criminal Justice Bill (which made gatherings with "repetitive beats" illegal, as well as removing the right to silence for anyone arrested, along with other terrible provisions). Note that in England, raves and rave music are basically mainstream. The music is played in clubs in all major (and most minor) cities (even the greatest of DJs there play the club scene; some, like MR C, own their own clubs). No matter how mainstream raving may get, I feel ravers will remain capable of staying beyond the manipulative grasp of commercialism and pedestrian culture. Peace, love, UNITY(!), and respect, Kerry From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 20:19:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA10088; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA10081; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.134.228.70] (ppp070-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.70]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id UAA03021; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:18:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:18:51 -0700 X-Sender: sddpw@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Jondabomb@aol.com From: sddpw@sirius.com (Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works) Subject: Re: Visuals Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Killer, maybe not, but for near death experiences, I use Northern Lights. Call John Mal at 415.258.8611. Most importantly, they're reliable. Icing on the cake, they're nice people. Arkay >Does anyone have the phone number for Liquid Sircus Delights??? Or any other >killer visiual people,companies? >Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 21:21:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA14082; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 21:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA14074; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 21:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15220 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 21:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.251] (lr8e1-port1.zocalo.net [157.22.1.251]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10278 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 21:20:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 21:20:25 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wayne Correia Subject: We're going in Funktion! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Marcy, Burger King and I are headed out to Funktion now... DOC MARTIN's in the house for a three hour set! He goes on between 10 and 11pm... see you there! -w ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia +1.415.826.6000 FAX +1.415.826.6100 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 21:59:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA16634; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 21:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA16628; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 21:59:43 -0700 (PDT) From: ERMODA@aol.com Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA18964 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:59:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:59:11 -0400 Message-ID: <961004005911_536484215@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: re: I made it! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Andre, thanks...I'm here From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 22:25:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA18276; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA18265; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA29193 for Sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 01:24:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 01:24:28 -0400 Message-ID: <961004012427_536494298@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: CALLING MIKE CLAY,Black Adder Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Mike please e-mail me or call me at 510-689-8293 or e-mail me! Thanks, Jonathan P.S. thanks everyone for the info on people who do visuals From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 22:32:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA18865; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vcn.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA18859; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pounce@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA11891; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie Subject: Re: We're going in Funktion! To: Wayne Correia cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Don't you guys tire ole Doc out :) he's got a VERY feisty crowd waiting to see him here in BC on Saturday at Dynasty! pounce ---------------------------- You know, there are many people in the country today who, through no fault of their own, are sane. Some of them were born sane. Some of them became sane later in their lives. It is up to people like you and me who are out of our tiny little minds to try and help these people overcome their sanity. -- Monty Python From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 23:50:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA23606; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanMateo01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA23601; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.158.215.178] by SanMateo01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11029) with SMTP id AAA6102; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:50:00 -0700 X-Sender: andy-pythagoras@sanmateo01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 23:51:25 -0700 To: Ariel Stallings , sfraves@hyperreal.com, peterbf@pacbell.net From: andy@pythagoras.org (Andrew Nourse) Subject: Re: Drugs, Ravers & Deadheads. Message-ID: <19961004064959.AAA6102@[205.158.215.178]> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 08:56 AM 10/3/96 -0700, Ariel Stallings wrote: >One of the most offensive experiences I ever had was meeting a guy >... He looks at me and says "Oh, so are you one >of those deadhead hippies who, when Jerry died, needed some place to >do your fucked up drugs...so you started raving?" ! ! ! ! No, we needed a place to DANCE! The Dead got me hooked on dancing! Couldn't get enough of it even when Jerry was still alive so I started raving. >Is this how people see both the deadhead >AND raving communities? That concerts and raves are simply "a place >to do your fucked up drugs"?? It's such an insult to both groups of people. Nobody told them that it was possible to do what we are obviously doing, any other way. > Any time I meet >someone who's like "yeah, I've never been to a rave sober" I'm always >SHOCKED I'm never "sober" when I dance, because the act of dancing, by itself, takes me far away from any mental state that fits that description. >...how can you consider yourself true gruver if you've never been clearheaded >at a party? It probably just means he is giving the drugs more credit than they are due. The rhythm is the real drug and swamps the effect of any other. The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 3 23:50:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA23666; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA23655; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.179.129.2] (artichoke.salinas.net [205.179.129.2]) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA24801 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:07:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:06:16 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: drenalin@salinas.net (Scott Nelson) Subject: (bsp) Grow - a new weekly Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk GROW every 1st and 3rd Saturday 443 Stevenson 10pm - 6am $5 w/residents... Deaks, Paul Manley, Warren Parker, Mr. Turkey ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Nelson - SalinasNet admin@salinas.net http://www.salinas.net/ (408) 759-2875 pager (800) 974-5211 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 00:26:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA26146; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aimnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id AAA26139; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from drakiel (dial-bp1-21.iway.aimnet.com [205.219.41.85]) by aimnet.com (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id AAA02755 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610040726.AAA02755@aimnet.com> From: "Jason Lucas" To: Subject: Re: my mom was influenced by Leeza!!! Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:16:10 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry to keep this string going, I know it is getting rather boring...but I have to get my .02c in too... A few days ago I was talking to my brother about the Fantasy Island party and how much fun I had. My father (suffering from the nosiness plague that seems to affect all parents) took it upon himself to eavesdrop on the entire conversation (including the part when I told my brother about how spiritual it was to take e). Later that night my father found me outside smoking and came over to give me the usual 'You know one of these days your lungs are going to start bleeding and I don't want to hear your complaining when it happens!' lecture, but he decided to take it to a different level. He started talking about how he 'overheard' my conversation with my brother about my raving and how it bothered him. You see, my father is a police officer here in Livermore. So he proceeded to go off about all this legal mumbo jumbo about how raves are all illegal and all they do is promote drug usage. Then he brought up the Leeza show! (I haven't seen this show personally so I can't really make a judgement on it quite yet). He told me that he saw how all the people on the show were just strung out addicts that just went to raves as an excuse to get p*ucked up. He practically hit me when he started talking about me doing E. He told me that he couldn't believe that he raised a son that was so weak that he had to resort to using drugs to have a good time..blah blah blah. I finally calmed him down and tried to explain to him what raves are really about. Meeting people and exposing yourself and others to a loving, nuturing community where there are no enemies. He tried to play it off like it was just the drugs talking. By this time I started screaming at him (something I regret horribly, I find it very disrepctful to lose your temper like that). But my battle was one, we left the conversation with him having a better understanding as to why I rave and me having a stronger sense of love from my father. After all, he really does care about me and he doesn't want me exposed to a 'scene' where he thinks bad things are going on. OK...my babbling is over. Hugs and love to everyone for putting up with my rambling! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- pLuR & don't forget your sm:)e ***************************************************** Jason Lucas -=[]=- Drakiel@Aimnet.Com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ---------- > From: Steve Simitzis > To: sfraves@hyperreal.com > Subject: my mom was influenced by Leeza!!! > Date: Wednesday, October 02, 1996 3:27 PM > > > Help! > > I was on the phone today with my mom (who is still trapped in Rhode Island), > and she says: > "I hope you're not getting so involved with this rave scene" > uh oh. > "um, I don't suppose you watched Leeza the other day?" > > Yes, *my* mom, with all her years of hipness, coolness, being an > artist, a supporter of music and underground arts, an ex-hippie, a New > Yorker, and the owner of a really cool wardrobe, watched the Leeza > show and returned with the impression that raves are big drug-fests. > > She's even *been* to a rave before... So I told her about Leslie, and > how we were friends, and how the show was designed to be a bunch of > sensationalistic media-hype, etc, etc. Seemed to ease her mind > a little bit. But then she asked, > "*You* haven't started using drugs, too, have you?" > > So I admitted to my heroin habit :) She wasn't amused, but I got a > hearty chuckle out of my office mate ;) > > Anyway, my point is: if *my* mom (who ranks very high on the cool mom > scale) could be influenced by this, can you imagine what Teenage > America's parents are thinking right now??? > > Oh well, it's things like this that keep us underground. > > Steve > > -- > Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb > | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | > | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | > | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 00:51:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA27932; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id AAA27922; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id AAA18273; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:51:09 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id AAA04301; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:51:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:51:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Friday To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all!! =) See ya's at Charity [I hope!] +) Love, Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 01:06:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id BAA28994; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 01:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mobius.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id BAA28989; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 01:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (flux@localhost) by mobius.usfca.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA12286 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:08:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:08:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Flux Television X-Sender: flux@mobius.usfca.edu Reply-To: Flux Television To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: LOW RES FILM FEST: Feel Surreal Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This Saturday Flux TV with XLR8R are presenting: Feel Surreal: The Low Res Music Program Rare music visuals from Underworld, Future Sound of London, Ken Ishii, Meat Beat Manifesto, DHS and Sun Electric - Directors include Nick Philip (H2O Media), H-Gun Labs, Tomato, Koji Morimoto (art director of "Akira" and Buggy G. Riphead) more info on: http://www.lowres.com/lowres/films/feel.html Interactive music presentations: Nick Philip's "Radical Beauty", "Mixman" and "Wipeout XL" the futuristic racing game with graphics from the Designer's Republic and music from Chemical Bros., Photek, Underworld and more. DJ Professor Smith (XLR8R) 7PM - $5 FEEL SURREAL: Low Res Digital Film Fest Music Program Minna St. Gallery 111 Minna St. 415/974-1719 ***This event precedes LoveWorks (but there is no connection). After the show be sure to check out the XLR8R issue release party down the street. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 01:51:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id BAA02436; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 01:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id BAA02429; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 01:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id BAA21081; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 01:51:41 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id BAA07198; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 01:51:40 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 01:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: LOW RES FILM FEST: Feel Surreal To: Flux Television cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Flux Television wrote: > This Saturday Flux TV with XLR8R are presenting: > > Feel Surreal: The Low Res Music Program > > Rare music visuals from Underworld, Future Sound of London, Ken Ishii, > Meat Beat Manifesto, DHS and Sun Electric - Directors include Nick Philip > (H2O Media), H-Gun Labs, Tomato, Koji Morimoto (art director of "Akira" > and Buggy G. Riphead) > > more info on: http://www.lowres.com/lowres/films/feel.html > > Interactive music presentations: > Nick Philip's "Radical Beauty", "Mixman" and "Wipeout XL" the futuristic > racing game with graphics from the Designer's Republic and music from > Chemical Bros., Photek, Underworld and more. > > DJ Professor Smith (XLR8R) > > 7PM - $5 > FEEL SURREAL: Low Res Digital Film Fest Music Program > Minna St. Gallery > 111 Minna St. > 415/974-1719 > > ***This event precedes LoveWorks (but there is no connection). After the > show be sure to check out the XLR8R issue release party down the street. Ya know... after XLR8R folks threatened to call the cops and shut down H3 unless they got in for free, I just can't support them anymore. Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 03:59:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id DAA16545; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 03:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bulgaria.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id DAA16534; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 03:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.34.134.222] (Cust94.Max1.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.34.134.222]) by bulgaria.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA27862 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 03:59:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lexical@earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 03:07:38 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lexical@earthlink.com (Plex) Subject: Re: NRR: Bwaaaaaaa! :( Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Tony Rotundo wrote: >> >> At 12:51 PM -0700 10/3/96, Alex wrote: >> >I have a 102 degree fever...there goes the weekend! Have fun at Charity >> >everyone!!! >> >> Maybe you don't have enough MEAT in your diet?! >> >> Get better... >> >> =3D) >> Tony > >HAHAHA *cough* *cough* smartass...heh >-alex what do we want? vegetable rights! when do we want it? NOW!! ...*|||=9A=F8=F8=9A|||*... plexpaochiu ((((***=84=84..=BCe=E5=E7=E9>>>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 05:59:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id FAA23289; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 05:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id FAA23284; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 05:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <548259(4)>; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 05:59:32 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 05:59:29 PDT From: "King Jester" To: hanning@SONOMA.EDU Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Visuals - NRR!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <96Oct4.055932pdt.548259(4)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 05:59:29 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Sorry for bringing another NRR-question into this, but do you read EVERYTHING >on this list from hotmail? A WEB-BASED mail reader? ;) > >reespect, jonas >*********************************************************** >* <> <<>> <> * >* <<>> * >* "still listening to wax, i'm not using the cd..." * >*********************************************************** > Yes, I can if I want. I have other email, but this one is kinda cool. You can almost do anything Eudora can right on the web and it's FREE. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 08:41:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA06530; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA06518; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA11966; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: bsp goa trance at RAW in SF tonite To: Happy Ravers cc: shawna-@ix.netcom.com, Raven , Diane Tabellija , ecto , Brenda Brewer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey everyone =) my friend jayson and i will be playing some goa at RAW tonite, which is a restaurant specializing in living foods. they are located in SF at: 1224 9th avenue (at lincoln) and the number is 415.665.6519 we'll start about 7 -8 pm and go till about 11 pm, so come by and say 'hi !' ->alpha wave sincronization<- tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 09:08:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA09583; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom12.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA09573; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ccat@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA15490; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:08:16 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Message-Id: <199610041608.JAA15490@netcom12.netcom.com> Subject: NRR: Real Life Mystery Trip To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:08:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi! Since we're all on the subject of being non-subjectual, I thought I'd tell anyone on the list who wants to listen about an incredible place that my girlfriend and I just came back from, the incredible Anasazi ruins centering on Chaco Canyon (New Mexico) All I can say is that Chaco is an experience that will blow anyone away who takes the time to visit it. It is the remains of an incredibly developed prehistoric civilization, right in our own backyard. If anyone wants to hear my story, drop me an email at "chris@ncafe.com" DONT REPLY TO THIS ADDRESS.. and I'd be glad to tell you more.. Chaco is a real-life mystery.... Wow.. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 10:12:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA15044; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA15004; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA12956; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:12:05 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199610041712.KAA12956@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Weekend Of Love! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] Well, I'll be staying home tonight ( X files season premeire! ), but then there's Sat. Gosh! The calendar's got the Organic Golden Gate Park thing, and then FIVE parties for the evening! It must be the Weekend Of Love! Peace, y'all Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 10:26:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA15905; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA15794; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (dislex@[130.212.10.236]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA00916 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA11414 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:53:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.sfsu.edu: dislex owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:53:52 -0700 (PDT) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: sfr Subject: OK... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "After solidifying his place in the rave scene, Shaheen began to get international attention. He has traveled across the United States, Europe, and even Australia. His most recent jounrnet was to Germany for their annual May Day festival" -interview with, Shaheen, "tribal percussionist." from something i found on the Haight yesterday... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 10:35:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA18307; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA18232; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe (axe.humboldt.edu [137.150.148.10]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA01180 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.humboldt.edu by axe.humboldt.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #17164) id <0DYRHOR0100BJ9@axe.humboldt.edu>; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 10:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Klassen Subject: Re: [SD-RAVES] Re: FWD>FW- Save PBS (fwd) In-reply-to: <199610040830.BAA20622@burnout.cts.com> To: "brian A.M." Cc: beat and ravish eaters , sd-raves@party.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, brian A.M. wrote: > --> Subject: Re: FWD>FW- Save PBS > OK, just gonna make a quick comment since i think this is the 1st i've seen > of this sorta thing. > > This list is not moderated. So you can post to it any damn old thing a > person wants. But i would REALLY like to suggest that chain > letters/petitions/ and general Internet-orbiting space garbage NOT BE > POSTED, please. > > I realize my own immense distaste for these things may not be > everyone's. BUT, i beleive that if folks would like to read about such > subjects, they can seek it out for themselves. > much thanx. > > -brian A.M. > > ================================================================= > "I dipt into the future far as human eye could see, > I saw the vision of the world and all the wonder that would be." > -Alfred, Lord Jennyson, 1842. > I think there is a distinction between a chain letter and a petition chain letters are to change -LUCK- and petitions are written/signed to bring about -SOCIAL CHANGE- If you do not believe in your responsibilities as a citizen I surely hope you never complain about the far reaching ramifications of governmental legislation, one that perhaps will seem far removed form your own interests and that of those around you. My motives in forwarding the petition to save PBS are not merely based in the fact that I like Sesame St. and I think Elmo is fuzzy and cute. I believe television programming is an issue pertinent to the whole of our society. Television often becomes an insidious vehicle of oppression- the view presented therein become views perceived as mainstream and empirical facts. If you asked a child where they learn something, more often than not they will respond, "I learned it on TV". Children seem to have an umbilical cord attached to a screen, and I do not believe that that is a value statement. If we examine they purveyors of our notions of body image, gender roles, violence and crime, "hero" myths, and other forms of human interaction, they stem from things we as a nation are able to view as a whole. The marketability and societal effect of violence should not be underestimated. This is not to say that I believe in censorship. I just think children- and others- should be able to learn their numbers and letters, something most would agree is more pertinent to the development of our society than steamy sexy scenes and 1001 ways of killing the foreign enemy. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 11:09:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA03189; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA03183; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fish.hooked.net (moonpup@fish.hooked.net [206.80.6.48]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11197 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by fish.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21229; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610041809.LAA21229@fish.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BSP-need phone #'s Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am contacting all the people who showed interest in the new mix tapes I have......(or in vinyl etc...) I have e-mailed many of you back, but Have not heard back from you again, so I am asking for phone #'s so I can contact you........ the following people are on my list.... Austin Johan Olofsson GavinR Bonghitter Kirstin Andre Mike S Andy Steve Correa Exodus SteveO (cd's) Bradley Inaba & Olivia thanks......I f you are not on this list and are interested in tapes, cd's or vinyl....please e-mail me with a return phone # so I can contact you soon.....thanks.... moonpup@ 415-337-6666 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 11:20:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA04444; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gcwf.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA04433; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SOCAL-Message_Server by gcwf.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 11:21:11 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 11:21:58 -0700 From: Ariel Stallings To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: See you at Charity! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk oops, I mailed this wrong the first time...tee hee. Date: 10/04/1996 11:00 am (Friday) From: Ariel Stallings To: SOCAL.SMTP("ascend@ix.netcom.com") CC: internet: sf-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: See you tonight @ Charity! Hello and Happy Friday everyone! Yay! The dirge of the work week (Ariel Meadow Stallings: during the week restless Document Specialist --read as: file monkey-- at a busy Palo Alto law firm, during the weekend crazed gruving raver...who would have known?!) is finally done, and now it's time to celebrate our two days of fun! :) :) I'm not going down to LA this weekend so I hope I will be seeing all of you tonight at Charity! Looks like it's going to be a good party...and for a good cause. Who could be happier!? If you see me (I'll be wearing phat pants, a striped citrisy colored tank top and a glowing red "go dogs" hat or pigtails...and maybe I'll even bring my mickey gloves!) come and say hi! :) And for those of you who are headed elsewhere tonight (Pacific, X Files, etc) have a wonderful time and a wonderful weekend! Loves to All! Ariel From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 11:44:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA06784; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA06771; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg131-239.ricochet.net [204.179.131.239]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA22660 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:41:30 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961004184008.006ae24c@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 11:40:08 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: info on charity!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i need info for charity (i'm finally making it out tonight!!!!!!!!!) so, if anyone could send that to me, that would be great! love- matt matthew d. p. k. lanier professional hugger and empath mdpkl@best.com 415-752-3218 _______ / \ / o o \ | ^ | | | ___ \ \_/ / ___ __(___\ \__ __/ /___)__ (______ \________\ /_________/ ______) (_______ ____________________ _______) (______ / \ ______) (_____/ \_____) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 12:20:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA10652; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA10644; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA12786; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:20:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:20:58 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199610041920.MAA12786@netcom17.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Charity n' stuff Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk After moving into to my new apartment and staying up way too late at TND last night, I am still ready for Charity tonight! So you will see me there with the usual ergonomic features (flashing bike lights, big chain o' laminates, army pants, etc) and some additional safety features. So anyone know if there'll be any jungle tonight? Thusfar, I've only heard rumors, but I'll pack my Alieve just in case. And a big-ass public thank you easter bunny to Brendan for helping me move my stuff last night!!! Brendan, you're da *bomb* ;) Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 12:26:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA11245; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dec-5.CE.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA11227; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dec-5.CE.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14748; Fri, 4 Oct 96 12:26:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:26:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Cohen" To: Digumo@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Yes...I'm a newbie In-Reply-To: <961002032542_298772580@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Oct 1996 Digumo@aol.com wrote: > Hello netpeople and techno lovers (at least I hope so) > > As the title indicates I am a newbie to this list. I have been getting > the email but haven't had the time to contribute. I just moved to this > area (I'm in Livermore - East Bay) back in January of this year. > > Previously I lived in Texas, but not born there...just going to school. I > have always loved techno/rave/synth music. Most of my friends couldn't > understand how I could listen to it hour after hour. > > I'm not really looking to get too deeply into the rave scene and am > looking for friends to email directly. I am looking for an older crowd > and honestly can't say I have gotten a sense of the age range of this > list. I am assuming all ages are represented here. I'm 25 and enjoy the > music for the music. I have never really been in the scene because I > never had that environment or opportunity around me. > > I would enjoying trying out some clubs and or a couple raves...but don't > have any friends that like the same type of music. > > So I'm writing this email. If you have room for one more friend that > likes the same type of music then I would love to get to know some > people. I have a lot of talents and would like to get to know things > about other people with the same interests. I work in the software > industry so technology is a love. > > Please email me personally or post a reply to this list (if you don't > mind the superfluous traffic) > If you wanna flame me then send that one personally also. > > Thanks for sharing my same interests! > > Sincerely, > > Matt Petrowsky > > I was wondering what kind of reply you got to this post? I am of a similar status...a newbie. I just started grad school at Berkeley. I love the music and have used the rave environs as a place to enjoy the music and be with my friends. Since I'm fresh here and my dept wont typically have people into the same things as myself, I havent really had the opportunity to experience what this area has to offer, I basically just dont know anyone and I have no means of transportation. I tried using this list last week to muster up some possibilities but nothing came up. So if you have any more success than myself I'd love to take part. you could eme or call 845-3088 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 12:28:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA11393; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email.csun.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA11383; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by csun1.csun.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA284947293; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:28:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:28:13 -0700 (PDT) From: karen m keefe X-Sender: kmk42406@csun1.csun.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: I'm back (different address) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings, all you SFRAVERS!!!!! Yup, I'm down here in LA for school, but I didn't want to wait until I moved back up to keep in touch with all of you. I miss the bay area!!! Things aren't quite the same here, when your family is up there! Anyways, I'd just like to say hello to all of you, and hope things are well. I'm going to be coming home the weekend of October 13; I'll probably see many of you. MANY HUGS and SMILES!!!!!! :-) Karen (karenk420) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 13:00:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA14586; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA14575; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA11567 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:49:47 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA17841 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:49:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:49:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199610041949.MAA17841@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: thoughts for the day X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "Goals are highly overrated. The unaimed arrow never misses." -- from a t-shirt I saw in Maui "No rain, no rainbows." -- same t-shirt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 13:14:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA16104; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA16097; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id QAA12327; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:13:44 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02252; Fri, 4 Oct 96 13:13:40 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 2556FCA0; Fri, 4 Oct 96 13:12:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:11:38 -0700 Message-Id: <2556FCA0.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Re: thoughts for the day To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're probably right!" ---untitled ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: thoughts for the day Author: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) at ccsmtp Date: 10/4/96 12:49 PM "Goals are highly overrated. The unaimed arrow never misses." -- from a t-shirt I saw in Maui "No rain, no rainbows." -- same t-shirt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 13:26:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA17399; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ngcgate.ngc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA17387; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NGC.COM by ngcgate.ngc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0v9GpR-000EklC; Fri, 4 Oct 96 13:26 PDT Received: from smtplink.NGC.Com by NGC.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Paul-NetGen-vegas-950920) id AA27155; Fri, 4 Oct 96 13:28:21 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by smtplink.NGC.Com id AA844460848; Fri, 04 Oct 96 13:23:11 PST Date: Fri, 04 Oct 96 13:23:11 PST From: "Renzo Saunders" Encoding: 131 Text Message-Id: <9609048444.AA844460848@smtplink.NGC.Com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Before you drink and drive.... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ....or before you drive home spun out after a party keep this in mind. Pretty sad. Have a good weekend everybody. -Renzo ******************************** DEATH OF AN INNOCENT ******************************** I went to a party, Mom, I remembered what you said. You told me not to drink, Mom, so I drank soda instead. I really felt proud inside, Mom, the way you said I would. I didn't drink and drive, Mom, even though others said I should. I know I did the right thing, Mom, I know you are always right. Now the party is finally ending, Mom, as everyone is driving out of sight. As I got into my car, Mom, I knew I'd get home in one piece. Because of the way you raised me, so responsible and sweet. I started to drive away, Mom, but as I pulled out into the road, the other car didn't see me, Mom, and hit me like a load. As I lay there on the pavement, Mom, I hear the policeman say, the other guy is drunk, Mom, and now I'm the one who will pay. I'm lying here dying, Mom. I wish you'd get here soon. How could this happen to me, Mom? My life just burst like a balloon. There is blood all around me, Mom, and most of it is mine. I hear the medic say, Mom, I'll die in a short time. I just wanted to tell you, Mom, I swear I didn't drink. It was the others, Mom. The others didn't think. He was probably at the same party as I. The only difference is, he drank and I will die. Why do people drink, Mom? It can ruin your whole life. I'm feeling sharp pains now. Pains just like a knife. The guy who hit me is walking, Mom, and I don't think it's fair. I'm lying here dying and all he can do is stare. Tell my brother not to cry, Mom. Tell Daddy to be brave. And when I go to heaven, Mom, put "Daddy's Girl" on my grave Someone should have told him, Mom, not to drink and drive. If only they had told him, Mom, I would still be alive. My breath is getting shorter, Mom. I'm becoming very scared. Please don't cry for me, Mom. When I needed you, you were always there. I have one last question, Mom, before I say good bye. I didn't drink and drive, so why am I the one to die? ************************ Someone took the effort to write this poem. So please, forward this to as many people as you can. And see if we can get a chain going around the world that will make people understand that drinking and driving don't mix. TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, so please forward this letter to as many people as you can. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ "In the confrontation between a stream and a rock the stream always wins - not through strength but by perserverance" ... Annonymous From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 13:51:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA20033; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ngcgate.ngc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA20022; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NGC.COM by ngcgate.ngc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0v9HE5-000EkMC; Fri, 4 Oct 96 13:52 PDT Received: from smtplink.NGC.Com by NGC.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Paul-NetGen-vegas-950920) id AA28226; Fri, 4 Oct 96 13:53:49 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by smtplink.NGC.Com id AA844462331; Fri, 04 Oct 96 13:49:00 PST Date: Fri, 04 Oct 96 13:49:00 PST From: "Renzo Saunders" Encoding: 49 Text Message-Id: <9609048444.AA844462331@smtplink.NGC.Com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re[2]: thoughts for the day Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If the mind is happy, not only the body but the whole world will be happy. So one must find out how to become happy oneself. Wanting to reform the world without discovering one's true self is like trying to cover the whole world with leather to avoid the pain of walking on stones and thorns. It is much simpler to wear shoes. -Ramana Maharishi Positive energy activates constant elevation, positive energy activates constant elevation, postitive energy activates constant elevation....... --The Gravedigga's "Six feet deep" LP Plant positive seeds and bring forth positive breeds. -Some rapper I heard on KZSU Stanford- Have a great weekend ravers and raverettes.... -ren ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: thoughts for the day Author: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com at SMTPLINK Date: 10/4/96 1:37 p "whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're probably right!" ---untitled ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: thoughts for the day Author: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) at ccsmtp Date: 10/4/96 12:49 PM "Goals are highly overrated. The unaimed arrow never misses." -- from a t-shirt I saw in Maui "No rain, no rainbows." -- same t-shirt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 13:56:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA20487; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email.sjsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA20479; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athens (athens [130.65.3.10]) by email.sjsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27041 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:51:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dhiren P. Dasu" X-Sender: udu00726@athens To: sfraves Subject: charity Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey there all you beautiful people, I hope to meet more of you and exchange real hugs as opposed to virtual ones.I will be at charity tonight. I will be wearing blue jeans, a blue soccer shirt with white lines on it and glasses. Six foot tall male of possible Hispanic or East Indian descent, short hair. Hope to see y'all then. PLUR Dhiren From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 14:16:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA23085; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA23077; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA23178; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:16:40 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:16:40 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199610042116.OAA23178@netcom17.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: <9609048444.AA844462331@smtplink.NGC.Com> (saunderr@NGC.COM) Subject: Re: Re[2]: thoughts for the day Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Life is like a crap sandwich... the more bread you put on, the less crap you have to take. - Tom Servo, MST3K Steve > Date: Fri, 04 Oct 96 13:49:00 PST > From: "Renzo Saunders" > Encoding: 49 Text > Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com > Precedence: bulk > > If the mind is happy, not only the body but the whole world will be > happy. So one must find out how to become happy oneself. Wanting to > reform the world without discovering one's true self is like trying to > cover the whole world with leather to avoid the pain of walking on > stones and thorns. It is much simpler to wear shoes. > > -Ramana Maharishi > > > > Positive energy activates constant elevation, positive energy activates > constant elevation, postitive energy activates constant elevation....... > > --The Gravedigga's "Six feet deep" LP > > > > Plant positive seeds and bring forth positive breeds. > > -Some rapper I heard on KZSU Stanford- > > > Have a great weekend ravers and raverettes.... > > -ren > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Subject: Re: thoughts for the day > Author: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com at SMTPLINK > Date: 10/4/96 1:37 p > > > "whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're probably right!" > ---untitled > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ Subject: thoughts for the day > Author: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) at ccsmtp > Date: 10/4/96 12:49 PM > > > > "Goals are highly overrated. The unaimed arrow never misses." > -- from a t-shirt I saw in Maui > > "No rain, no rainbows." > -- same t-shirt > > > -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 14:20:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA23460; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laertes.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA23448; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from knegtel@localhost) by laertes.ucsf.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/GSC4.24) id OAA25704 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:20:47 -0700 From: "Ronald Knegtel" Message-Id: <9610041420.ZM25702@laertes.ucsf.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:20:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Renzo Saunders" "Re[2]: thoughts for the day" (Oct 4, 1:49pm) References: <9609048444.AA844462331@smtplink.NGC.Com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: thoughts for the day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Oct 4, 1:49pm, Renzo Saunders wrote: > Subject: Re[2]: thoughts for the day Ah, some wisdom on a friday afternoon. I couldn't resist, here are some of my favorites. Have a nice weekend, maybe see you around. (I spaired all of you the politically incorrect ones and Monthy Python bits I have lying around) The Frying Dutchman Here goes: A man may fight for many things. His country, his principles, his friends. The glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally, I'd mud-wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a sack of French porn. -- Edmund : Duel and Duality (Blackadder) Do not remove a fly from a friend's forehead with a chopstick. Paranoia doesn't mean the whole world really isn't out to get you. Majority, n.: That quality that distinguishes a crime from a law. The main obstacle to progress is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge. As long as we can produce the Taj Mahal, Shakespeare and striped toothpaste, there is still hope. (McNamara) In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock. Smoking is, if not my life, then at least my hobby. I love to smoke. Smoking is fun. Smoking is cool. Smoking is, as far as I am concerned, the entire point of being an adult. (Fran Lebowitz) Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone. (Anthony Burgess) The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true. (James Branch Cabell) "I distrust camels, and anyone else who can go a week without a drink" (Joe E. Lewis) The Uncertainty Relationship: Maybe Heisenberg slept here... > If the mind is happy, not only the body but the whole world will be > happy. So one must find out how to become happy oneself. Wanting to > reform the world without discovering one's true self is like trying to > cover the whole world with leather to avoid the pain of walking on > stones and thorns. It is much simpler to wear shoes. > > -Ramana Maharishi > > > > Positive energy activates constant elevation, positive energy activates > constant elevation, postitive energy activates constant elevation....... > > --The Gravedigga's "Six feet deep" LP > > > > Plant positive seeds and bring forth positive breeds. > > -Some rapper I heard on KZSU Stanford- > > > Have a great weekend ravers and raverettes.... > > -ren > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Subject: Re: thoughts for the day > Author: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com at SMTPLINK > Date: 10/4/96 1:37 p > > > "whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're probably right!" > ---untitled > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ Subject: thoughts for the day > Author: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) at ccsmtp > Date: 10/4/96 12:49 PM > > > > "Goals are highly overrated. The unaimed arrow never misses." > -- from a t-shirt I saw in Maui > > "No rain, no rainbows." > -- same t-shirt > >-- End of excerpt from Renzo Saunders -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 14:53:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA26750; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trix.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA26742; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jwiley@localhost) by trix.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA08875 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:53:20 -0700 From: Jay Wiley Message-Id: <199610042153.OAA08875@trix.cisco.com> Subject: charity To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:53:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tired of debugging software to conform to National ISDN 2 standards. Very ready for tonight, so I hope to see many of your smiling there. May need some help staying awake all night though. :) j PS 6'2" white male with long brown hair. Oh yeah and my white sailor hat of course. :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 14:56:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA27005; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gcwf.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA26981; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SOCAL-Message_Server by gcwf.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 14:57:30 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 14:58:10 -0700 From: Ariel Stallings To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: promoting question Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Alright, bear with me: I'm trying to convince two of my favorite djs from Seattle/Vancouver (DJ Czech and Jon Lemmon, aka capt. ky) that they need to come play parties in San Francisco. Jon said to me: "get me the addresses or phone #s of promoters and Czech and I will mail tapes down and see if anyone (besides you, Ariel) is interested." Obviously my love of the djs does not a whole party make. Anyway, my response to Jon was "duh?" since I don't know any promoters in the bay area and I don't even know how to find them (other than just wandering around parties and asking strangers). Does anyone have any suggestions? Czech tends to play house and breaks (ah, the BEST breaks) and Jon is mostly house, although he also can do some fucking AMAZING downbeats. Can I play middle (wo)man and refer the djs to the promoters and then reap the benefits of good music?? Please email me privately with any suggestions...Thank you so much! Ariel From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 15:11:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA28619; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA28606; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from impactsf (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id PAA23594; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:08:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199610042208.PAA23594@holonet.net> Received: by impactsf.com (Claris OfficeMail 1.0) with SMTP; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 14:37:12 -0800 From: "Andre Lucero" Subject: Re: Phone scam message Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 14:45:20 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 To: "stephanie sulser" , "Omar" , "Frank Isaac" , "Jonathan Santos" , "Robert Jesse" , "Quad" , "Grey Six" , "Ron" , "Darren" , "Support3" , "Eric Franklin" , "St. John's Rhythm Society" , "Dr. Smiles" , "Geoff White" , "Fringeoids" , "Friends" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Forwarded message from my employer: begin forwarded message___________________________________ Subject: Re: Phone scam message Sent: 10/4/96 8:35 PM Received: 10/4/96 2:09 PM From: Clinton Gilbert, Clinton@impactsf.com >>The scam works basically like this: >>You get home and notice that the message light is blinking >>on your answering machine. You listen to the message, which >>has several wrinkles, but the best one is the caller asks you >>to call a number beginning with area code 809 to receive >>information about a family member who has been ill. (They may >>also tell you someone has been arrested, died, you have won a >>wonderful prize, etc.) >>In any event, concerned or curious, you make the call. >>Sometimes the phone will be answered by a person who claims to >>speak broken English. (The idea is to keep you on the line to >>build up charges.) Or, sometimes you will just get a long >>recorded message. The bottom lines is, when your phone bill >>comes, you see this incredible charge, oftentimes more than >>$100.00 dollars! >>Crooks are using the 809 numbers as "pay-per-calls" and to get >>around the US Regulations and 900 number blocking. Every time >>you call the number, they get a greatly inflated rebate from >>the foreign phone company. Since the 809 numbers are in the >>Caribbean, they aren't bound by US 900# regulations that >>require them to warn you of the charge and rate involved, and >>also to provide a time period during which you may terminate >>the call without being charged. >>The newest twist to this scam is to page people using the 809 >>numbers. With the new area code changes, people unknowingly >>are returning these calls. When the bill comes, there are >>HUGE charges for the calls. >>My suggestion is that no matter how you get the message, if >>you are asked to call a number with an 809 area code that you >>don't recognize, DON'T RETURN THE CALL! It's bad enough that >>the criminal is invading your privacy, don't let them invade >>you wallet as well! >>Scams of this type are extremely hard to prosecute and since >>you did actually make the call, neither your local phone >>company or your long distance carrier will want to get >>involved. They'll tell you that they are simply providing >>the billing for the foreign company. You end up trying to >>deal (over the phone) with a foreign company that feels they >>have done no wrong. It can turn into a real nightmare! >> >>Please fwd this msg to friends and let people be aware of it! >> >>Please delete this message when done! ************************************************ Galactic Uber-Pimp of the )))Vibra Zone((( ************************************************ Sonic Mood Enhancement and Basic Love Vibrations for all my subjects...all the time From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 15:17:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA29096; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA29085; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:17:02 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id SAA18533; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:17:10 -0400 Received: from by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB10830; Fri, 4 Oct 96 15:17:07 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 2558CB40; Fri, 4 Oct 96 15:16:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:14:49 -0700 Message-Id: <2558CB40.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Re: Before you drink and drive.... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi Renzo-- Excuse me, but do I/should I know you? Is there some reason you sent me this maudlin piece of crap? I trust it wasn't a joke sent in questionable taste! While I believe in responsible ecstasy, I also believe in honoring one's intelligence--and that of one's friends. This piece does neither! How could you feel positive about DEATH OF AN INNOCENT unless your emotional and intelligence quotients have temporarily (hopefully not permanenty!) dropped to the level of cretin? Looking forward to your reply, om namah shivaya, Will From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 15:31:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA00510; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA00501; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA05979 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:31:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:31:42 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lowe To: SF-Raver Family Subject: charity! (following the herd! :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hey folks... Since people are posting descriptions & stuff, figured I might as well do the same. Baaaaa. Skinny, fairly tall, short (grown out buzzcut) brown hair, *big* grin, black corduroys & a big orange t-shirt (which looks pink under blacklights) with a yellow dancing figure on a blue background. I'll be there from start to finish, and am very likely to be selling water during the night at some point. Free hugs to the first 10,000 people who come up to me and mention this posting :) Can't wait to see you all there!!! (where? I forgot to mention that part... charity tonight, probably the Funky Tekno Tribe free outdoor gathering in Golden Gate park tomorrow, and hopefully Sunset. I'm feeling energetic today... we'll see about tomorrow :) : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : : "I believe that imagination is stronger than knowledge - That : : myth is more potent than history. I believe that dreams are : : more powerful than facts - That hope always triumphs over : : experience - That laughter is the only cure for grief. And I : : believe that love is stronger than death." : :: - Robert Fulghum :: :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMlWQN6D2AoV67volAQEBCwf+KrInoSO0Jzq0CQt2li3CO25ge2ukpcn2 X+kPtZ1QXFDW51wvOFiOxRhv1pAdMhtE3OBGLJKQoDVE0caABj4plMPfD5tqFwJJ 6OXzwQhYaygM+Xe8Dg/xuhLPQizs53VZ4pAy51shRCAl0HGeiT7ka3Fei5zSUIDl mrzq/Y5tVp/8dZVl6mBNoFkP0q1HhkYAQMk6OGS+Vo7J1dQVF+6Y+yV2yzxBxKUV SGJXndV2HRPdSIUQHVuX/yyaTGB2ni2qXoleGnDHpQLXkevNM5eWCLfRLB4WlIVD dLGB1ua0G43sdmBtu4/ouQLpLBi9P+3eWfpAbQrHqCaaOSTMi+n7hg== =OYq4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 16:11:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA03895; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA03884; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23844 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.251] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07040 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:11:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:11:44 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wayne Correia Subject: CHARITY Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk See you there! I will be bringing a bunch of the super cool limited edition SFR buttons, so be sure to find me and one before it's too late! -w ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia +1.415.826.6000 FAX +1.415.826.6100 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 16:17:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA04408; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA04396; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from my-computer (ala-ca11-04.ix.netcom.com [199.35.209.164]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA07596 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:16:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199610042316.QAA07596@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: "Brian Yen-Shan Wang" To: "SF Raves Mailing List" Subject: Yikes! The conservatives are coming... Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:20:54 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You know what... I have to admit that I am getting really scared watching TV lately... In general, a disturbing theme has developed... The conservatives are coming! I dunno... Those Bob Dole commercials and all these talk shows lately are beginning to frighten me. For example I was watching a talk show and they were talking about GHB... Now, I understand the concern for people having died or had reactions to GHB, but the first thing everyone said was "Ban it!" "Make it illegal now!" This bothered me, because instead of finding out the problem or understanding the situation, the public's consensis seemed to be "just get it out of our sights, and it'll solve our problems." This is certainly not true! Though I am just as concerned about drug abuse as the next person, I really believe that people need to understand the chemicals and substances that are out there, that people WOULD consume even IF they are illegal... In other words, we need to understand the problems before we can solve them. I was getting so upset listening to a narcotic officer keep saying that "This substance is deadly, that substance is deadly..." I wish she would simply EXPLAIN why they are deadly, because I want to understand... Oh well... I was just thinking about how many social problems don't get examined, instead the law makers just decided to cover them up by slapping "illegal" on them... Sorry... I rambled... Anyways, hope to see all ya KRAZY people tonight at Charity! :) sm:)e **HUGS** Sincerely, berzerkEr / dragonfli P.S. I haven't partied in six months, so I am excited... L8r! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 16:45:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA06845; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA06838; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:45:33 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id TAA23163; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 19:45:41 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13382; Fri, 4 Oct 96 16:45:38 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 255A17C0; Fri, 4 Oct 96 16:45:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:43:33 -0700 Message-Id: <255A17C0.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Re[2]: Before you drink and drive.... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk whoops. i meant to forward it to whoever wrote it. sorry. disregard that post. i accept full responsibility. deepfog ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Hi. I don't mean to get involved, but could you keep these sorts of responses personal, rather than to the whole list? Actually, that death of innocent post was sent to SFRaves a couple of months ago for the first time; it was well received and started some interesting conversation. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 16:46:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA06899; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell1.aimnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA06894; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rudir@localhost) by shell1.aimnet.com (8.7.3/SHELL) id QAA10718 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Rudi Rughoonundon Message-Id: <199610042346.QAA10718@shell1.aimnet.com> Subject: Ill be at Charity !!! my first rave :) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk See you all at Charity tonight. Ill be wearing my torn up jeans as usual. :) Im looking forward to meeting all of you beautiful ppl. Oh this is also going to be my first real rave !! I usually go to clubs ... :-> Rudi p.s. if anybody has the SFRaves laminate things for sale please grab a hold of me as id like to get one. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 16:51:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA07368; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from funhouse.ten.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA07361; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Feynman.tenetwork.com (external-147.tenetwork.com [192.216.140.147]) by funhouse.ten.net (8.7.6/8.7.2) with SMTP id QAA02601 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3255A38E.6BC6@ten.net> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:53:50 -0700 From: Pengo Reply-To: Pengo@ten.net Organization: Pengo Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: CHARITY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk No Yoda shirt this time. Tonight I'll be sporting my white "SegaSoft: Sacred Pools" shirt. And I just ran back to my work from helping them set up (bout to run back over there again) and it looks G-r-r-reat over there! -=Pengo=- Blake "Pengo" Merriam From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 16:54:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA07677; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sco.sco.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA07668; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa26296; 4 Oct 96 16:51 PDT Received: from andrewk.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa02701; 4 Oct 96 16:52 PDT From: Andrew Knutsen To: bywang@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Yikes! The conservatives are coming... X-Mailer: ScoMail 3.0.Bd MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9610041648.aa19017@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Oh well... I was just thinking about how many social problems don't get > examined, instead the law makers just decided to cover them up by slapping > "illegal" on them... You have to admit its convenient though -- the result is that the gov't makes these handy lists of substances to look for. They're even broken into an A list (*whole* lotta fun), a B list (worth trying anyway), a C list (the ones your mother gives you), and so on... Andrew PS ;-) AK PPS AK ----------------------------------------- Andrew Knutsen andrewk@sco.com Santa Cruz Operation (408) 427-7538 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 17:00:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA08166; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA08157; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA18082 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:00:23 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA06397 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:00:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:00:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199610050000.RAA06397@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: NRR: Daffy's Resume X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone seen the August 22nd Far Side cartoon? Daffy Duck's resume, with my embellishments: OBJECTIVE: Seeking a challenging position utilizing my amazing physical flexibility and witty reparte in a dynamic animation company whose mission is to provide high quality humor as well as slapstick comedy. EXPERIENCE: Aug'63-Nov'67: Jumped around a lot and went "WOOHOO, WOOHOO, WOOHOO!" Jan'68-Aug'83: Jumped around a lot and went "WOOHOO, WOOHOO, WOOHOO!" Sep'83: Wrote MSDOS. Oct'84-Present: Short stint in politics, jumped around a lot and went "WOOHOO, WOOHOO, WOOHOO!" SPECIAL SKILLS: - Can be blown away at short range by a shotgun without dying. - Can fall from extreme heights without major injuries. - Bill can be relocated to any point on head without loss of speech. - Jumping around a lot and going "WOOHOO, WOOHOO, WOOHOO!" REFERENCES: Available upon request. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 17:00:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA08213; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA08206; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA18123; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:00:28 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA06420; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:00:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:00:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199610050000.RAA06420@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Roy Feague From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: RE: thoughts for the day Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >...without a goal, doesn't one tend to lose sense of direction >and purpose? Um. Sure. Ok, how about this: "Direction is highly overrated. The undirected hiker is never going the wrong way". -- SDream I guess another way to look at it would be to say that when you focus on one thing, you have focussed on something that, if not attained, defines your efforts as failures. At the opposite extreme, if you focus on nothing and are happy that way, you never risk failure. The opposing view goes something like this: "To sail to new lands, you first have to leave the safety of the harbor." -- dunno On the other hand, if you see new harbors in all that is around you, you rarely have to forego safety for new vistas. Is that enough philosophy for one day? It's Friday. I shouldn't be thinking this hard... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 17:17:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA09646; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ngcgate.ngc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA09638; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NGC.COM by ngcgate.ngc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0v9KQp-000EkWC; Fri, 4 Oct 96 17:17 PDT Received: from smtplink.NGC.Com by NGC.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Paul-NetGen-vegas-950920) id AA04326; Fri, 4 Oct 96 17:19:11 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by smtplink.NGC.Com id AA844474688; Fri, 04 Oct 96 17:13:32 PST Date: Fri, 04 Oct 96 17:13:32 PST From: "Renzo Saunders" Encoding: 36 Text Message-Id: <9609048444.AA844474688@smtplink.NGC.Com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re[2]: Before you drink and drive.... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello SFRaves, In response to the e-mail below. No, the poem I posted to the list earlier was not meant as a joke. Nor was it meant to be funny or positive. I apologize if you were offended or if you felt that I insulted your intelligence. I, in no way meant to suggest that you are all not responsible enough to know better than to drink and drive. I simply felt that it was a very sad poem being that I know people involved in such accidents. I replied privately to the character who sent me the e-mail below and decided that I should also respond to the list with an apology. I felt that the author was a bit harsh and maybe misinterpreted my reason for sharing it with the list. That's all. Have a great weekend. Later...... -Renzo ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Before you drink and drive.... Author: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com at SMTPLINK Date: 10/4/96 3:37 p Hi Renzo-- Excuse me, but do I/should I know you? Is there some reason you sent me this maudlin piece of crap? I trust it wasn't a joke sent in questionable taste! While I believe in responsible ecstasy, I also believe in honoring one's intelligence--and that of one's friends. This piece does neither! How could you feel positive about DEATH OF AN INNOCENT unless your emotional and intelligence quotients have temporarily (hopefully not permanenty!) dropped to the level of cretin? Looking forward to your reply, om namah shivaya, Will From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 17:24:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA10372; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA10363; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id RAA12289; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:24:55 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id RAA09125; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:24:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Reply-To: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: ((< DAN is home! >)) To: ravelist -- Adam Luong , DBZ@uclink4.berkeley.edu, lambchop@cats.ucsc.edu, liquid7@cats.ucsc.edu, Michal Migurski , mudbone@cats.ucsc.edu, nike@cats.ucsc.edu, spin@cats.ucsc.edu, tiffer@cats.ucsc.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com, Jon Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Check it out... 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To: Renzo Saunders cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9609048444.AA844474688@smtplink.NGC.Com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Renzo, don't apologize, it's totally unnecessary Yeah the poem is a little corny but it has a very important message and most of us know you posted it because you care about the people on this list and want to remind us of something we might otherwise forget about... And, as someone else pointed out, this poem was posted previously, to a warm reception by people - many people shared their stores of loved ones who had been hurt. I know it made ME more aware of driving under the influence ("oh, I've only had a few beers" no longer being acceptable), and I am thankful for that! N SFR Friends - If we find something objectionable in a person's posts, I think we can find a more constructive way to discuss it with the person than degrading insults. I'm glad that "private" posts was sent to the list - maybe it will get each of us thinking of how we can communicate more effectively and in a more respectful manner. :) (insert overused SFR acronym here) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 17:51:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA12330; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acergw3.acer.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA12325; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtplink.acer.com ([204.160.139.137]) by acergw3.acer.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA05201 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.acer.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA844393679; Thu, 03 Oct 96 18:39:08 pst Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 18:39:08 pst From: "Andy Wyszkowski" Message-Id: <9609038443.AA844393679@smtplink.acer.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR : Human Disinterest Story Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm going to celebrate my release of authority/responsibility this weekend. I'm considering partying my ass off... think I should? I'm starting with Charity and I'll see where I end up by Monday. I have a new boss now. It's not me. He's an incompetent ass kisser that I hired almost two years ago. I'm so excited! I can't wait! So to all of you who see me this weekend, I would like to introduce a modified Andy. Now that I am free of the responsibilities of managing a small group of underresourced geniuses, I can let go more than ever. Kinda bummed... but sorta relieved. The corporate ladder now looks like the corporate stepstool. A little less imposing on the horizon, but not too awe inspiring either. Plus, now that I'm a normal geek again I can ditch the tie and collar scene. Ahhhhhh. The joys of corporate restructuring. -Skyscraper, I love you- AndyW p.s. I wanted to thank whatever entity is responsible for the invention of the Technics1200SLmkII. I bought my first one earlier this week, screwed a fresh Stanton in there, and now everything sounds so pretty... mmmmm..... vinyl. If anybody's got another one out there for sale... me hungry for more fun stuff. So fun digging through the old rekkkkerdz tooo~! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 18:23:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA14609; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA14603; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scv1.apple.com ([17.128.100.119]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07018 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:23:45 -0700 Received: from quickmail.apple.com (in-out.eqm.apple.com [17.130.8.39]) by scv1.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA03724 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:25:26 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 4 Oct 1996 18:22:20 -0700 From: "Jason Green*" Subject: Friend needs SF housing! -- To: "sfraves" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all, I have a friend who is desperately in need of SF housing. I myself can vouch that she is a very cool, friendly, wonderful, respectful person, and a raver too! 8>) :-) The following are her words, asking for YOUR help! : ) = ) --- Need room in SF ASAP. Can pay $300-$400 per month. Looking for clean, well organized, communal household with a positive vibe. I am a 22 year old female make-up artist/hairdresser, vegetarian, creative, outgoing, spiritual, highly motivated, and a raver! Voice mail: COREY: 408-521-1086 --- Thanks everyone! _jason_ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 18:36:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA15357; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA15351; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Hughdhyana@aol.com Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA12680 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:35:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:35:37 -0400 Message-ID: <961004213536_202379905@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: What Up inSanta Cruz onSaturday?? ?? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, all. My roommate and I have a friend from LA coming this weekend and were hoping to hear about something groovy going down in/around Santa Cruz. If anyone has a good tip, please let us know!! PS- thanks to all who have posted entertaining shit lately. I got a case of the blues and it has really helped. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 18:55:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA16423; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA16416; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.179.129.2] (artichoke.salinas.net [205.179.129.2]) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA00197 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:13:23 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 19:11:26 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: drenalin@salinas.net (Scott Nelson) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sabin and I will be at Charity tonite with presale tickets for the Cloud Factory camping trip in Mendecino for $15...=) See you there, drenalin ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Nelson - SalinasNet admin@salinas.net http://www.salinas.net/ (408) 759-2875 pager (800) 974-5211 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 21:09:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA25008; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA25002; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA30637 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.74.237] (abrams2b.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.74.237]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA26725 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:06:21 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:08:20 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bdabrams@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Brian Denny) Subject: Charity (moo...) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk as long as we're making farm aminal noises :) i'm going to Charity tonight... hope everyone hasn't left already-- i'll be wearing a black shirt that says "UC Jazz Ensembles" in blue letters (tho you may not be able to see it in the blacklite...) and my sfraves laminate (of course!) and a name tag that says "hi my name is Brian". i'm 5'10", skinny, reddish-brown hair down to my neck/shoulders. i'll be smilin' dancin' groovin' chillin'... if you see me, say hi, introduce yourself if ya don't already know me, and... i'll give you a hug! (oh, no, not that, anything but that!!) as you can see i'm already in that raving (lunatic) mood... see you there! love, brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Oct 4 21:15:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA25347; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elaine23.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA25337; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine23.Stanford.EDU (8.7.6/8.7.3) id VAA15719; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:15:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Burger King To: friends&family Subject: off to charity Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk will be there, wearing the usual regal acoutrement... see yuz, jon From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 00:36:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA05584; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 00:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sole.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id AAA05578; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 00:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by sole.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA15223; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 00:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 00:36:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199610050736.AAA15223@sole.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BSP- Soccer shirt collection Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Any soccer shirt enthusiests out there..........I have a killer soccer shirt collection that I am finally over........ after years of being into soccer shirts (excuse me football jerseys).....I am ready to part with them.......any fans of england, (home shirts) chelsea, (home & away) brazil, (away) or U.S. soccer......call me.......... their going cheap......415-337-6666 also I will be in Phoenix till next Wed.............bon voyage......till then....moonpup From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 08:54:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA04037; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 08:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hupa.snfc21.pbi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA04029; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT) From: hugz@pacbell.net Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-30-47.hywr01.pacbell.net [206.170.30.47]) by hupa.snfc21.pbi.net (8.7.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA04240 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 08:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325684DC.55AA@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 08:55:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Neurological after effects of MDMA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi... just a quick question for all of you out there :) Have any of you experienced, or do you know of anyone that has experienced, any strange neurological sensations 1-2 days after doing 'e'. The symptoms could include: tingling sensations anywhere on the body (similar to what may occur while doing 'e') eye-strain sub-cutaneous pressure (pressure under the skin) sunburn like sensations under the skin etc. These symptoms may tend to come and go, for hours or for days at a time. If anyone has heard of these or knows of these, please e-mail me. thanx hugz :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 09:47:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA07345; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 09:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA07338; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 09:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA12949 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 09:47:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.sfsu.edu: dislex owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 09:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: sfr Subject: today is the greatest Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this is like the 3rd time this week I've woken up to a san diego day. you really don't appreciate day's like these untill you have to live through fog and a real winter. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 11:45:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA15214; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 11:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA15200; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 11:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.86.220.227 (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA20225 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 11:45:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3256AE29.5991@best.com> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 11:51:21 -0700 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: looks like summer...smells like summer... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just woke up and the sun looks nice! My illness is all but gone so i think i'm going to do some R&R in the park today. Now i just have to drive my lazy ass up there... :<) hope to see some sfravers there. -alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 11:47:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA15394; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 11:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA15389; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 11:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Digumo@aol.com Received: by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA08808; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 14:46:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 14:46:46 -0400 Message-ID: <961005144645_325964452@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: jcohen@dec-5.ce.berkeley.edu cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Yes...I'm a newbie Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On Wed, 2 Oct 1996 Digumo@aol.com wrote: > >> Hello netpeople and techno lovers (at least I hope so) >> >> As the title indicates I am a newbie to this list. I have been getting >> the email but haven't had the time to contribute. I just moved to this >> area (I'm in Livermore - East Bay) back in January of this year. >> >> Previously I lived in Texas, but not born there...just going to school. I >> have always loved techno/rave/synth music. Most of my friends couldn't >> understand how I could listen to it hour after hour. >> --- snip --- >> >> Please email me personally or post a reply to this list (if you don't >> mind the superfluous traffic) >> If you wanna flame me then send that one personally also. >> >> Thanks for sharing my same interests! >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Matt Petrowsky >> >> >I was wondering what kind of reply you got to this post? I am of a >similar status...a newbie. I just started grad school at Berkeley. I >love the music and have used the rave environs as a place to enjoy the >music and be with my friends. > >Since I'm fresh here and my dept wont typically have people into the same >things as myself, I havent really had the opportunity to experience what >this area has to offer, I basically just dont know anyone and I have no >means of transportation. > >I tried using this list last week to muster up some possibilities but >nothing came up. So if you have any more success than myself I'd love to >take part. > >you could eme or call 845-3088 Actually I got a totally gruuuuuvin response. This list is really cool. I almost instantly met 3 people in my direct area and wanted to try out Charity tonight. Unfortunatly, I didn't get to go. I have been a little bummed lately because I work waaaaayyyyy too much and just wanted to take the full day off. I am going to try going to Sunset and meet some new people there. This is also a public "Thank You" to all of those that responded to my post. I have never had it so easy when meeting new people. I am working on my own personal page and will point you to it if you want to get to know me before we ever met in the real world. Thanks a lot! And by the way you didn't leave your name.... J Cohen... Is that John? Jim? Jack? What do you do? The list, I'm sure, would be interested in knowing what you do and like. Sincerely, Matt Petrowsky "DiGumo" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 12:26:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA18362; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA18350; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.106.63.241] (mac8100.zone.org [199.106.63.241]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id MAA22379 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610051926.MAA22379@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:22:31 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: socal-raves@UCSD.EDU, sd-raves@party.net Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk PlayScool review (c) by Crunchman About a week ago, I get this posting in SoCal Raves about PlayScool, indicating that Todd (the promoter) was on the net. I wanted to put together a nice little review of this big massive with pictures, narration and interviews with the promoter (Todd), and some of the DJ's. I sent Todd an Email message with my intent, asking in return to be placed on the guest list, and Todd wrote back.... "How are ya. No problem on the guest list but I do not have a place to stash your camera. There should be a coat check upstairs with Mandies Candies. You should be able to check it with her. I hope you enjoy Playscool. It is not your typical rave because we do have a variety of Music and also alcohol which some ravers don't like being around. With that said.Enjoy and I would love to read your review and see the picutres afterwards. E-mail after the event and maybe we can hook up" Ok, so I haul out the camera and arrange a safe place to stash it, and head out to the Sports Arena in San Diego fairly early to get a feel for the place. I walk up to the WILL CALL and learn that I HAD a comp ticket, but Todd had changed his mind and I was to pay half price for the ticket and my associate would get NO price break on his ticket (who was to act as my assistant and take charge of the camera, so I can dance). So, I reluctantly shelled out the $10 I was to use to make my evening more enjoyable like food, drinks, and whatever. Then, I headed back to the car with my camera and my mind set on NOT taking any pictures or doing anything to publicize his party, and felt personally betrayed, and a victim of his greed. Later, I learned that Todd has lied on numerous occasions and made promises to guest list people and then not keeping his promise. Other people I talked to, have also substantiated this. Anyway, that aside, I finally enter the huge complex and was astounded with the size of the whole shindig. I spent some time, soaking up the vibe, going from room to room, checking things out, and showing up at the Acid booth to see if I can meet some SoCal ravers, but nobody came up and said Hi, and I didn't recognize anyone. I wore my SFRaves laminate and old "Friends and Family" ticket for easy recognition. Noticed a LOT more beer drinkers than usual, but saw a lot of happy faces and it didn't take me long to discover the Trance room and I got down to the serious business of dancing until Kelly came on. I met Kelly at the Loft a few days previously and we hung out on the Loft turntables and spin some choons... I gave Kelly my master tape for his opinion (soon to be released). Kelly Lynch played an amazing variety of house, trance/house, breakbeat, shoons that kept me movin and a groovin.... until I per chance heard a snippet of beats coming from the other room. The sound level in the main room was so loud that it tickled my nose, and I was constantly scratching it, but I did find a "Sweet spot" and seemed to avoid the wet beer spillage on the floor without slipping. The other side room was more crowded, but I eventually worked up to the DJ setup to learn this girl was spinning some sick trance and techno.... Excellent thumpin set.... that got me totally lost out there in Trance land.... Something broke my trance, and I snapped out of it, and wandered into the other room to hear this live act. Because I had made up my mind NOT to cover it in a more complete report, I made no effort to learn who it was. Instead I danced like there was no tomorrow, until my feet told me it was time to chill.... So I slipped out of the main stream for a while to remove a few "energy blockages" by doing some Yoga before heading back in the main room. I caught Kelley's last track before there was the characteristic break between DJ's - I noticed this a lot.... In SF,. the Dj switch over is hardly noticeable. unless you look up and see them switch. Down here, the changeover is quite a bit more pronounced. They had this MC guy, rapping over the music that I found distracting, so I headed back to the main trance room just in time to hear Thee-o GETTING OFF big time with some Hard trance of the likes I haven't heard since I visited Australia. My energy level was peaking at this time, dancing like there was no tomorrow for his entire set non-stop.... Excellent 150 - 160 BPM hard trance, happy and melodic, got be bouncing off the walls literally..... I met about 20 people from Sf area who had moved down to San Diego and were surprised to learn I was living down here as well. Eventually Thee-o's set faded out, and someone made announcement about the upcoming act, Hardkiss, or something like that, but I was already leaving the room, heading for my private little Yoga space, intent on a little stretching and chilling. The act in the main room was pretty weak and didn't really impress me, so I headed back into the side techno room again to hear some good fast trancy techno and jumped right into the groove and lost my reality for about an hour. By that time, it was about 2:30, and the BPM's dropped significantly such that I lost interest in dancing and headed back into the main room. Rabbit in the Moon was in the middle of their live set that captured my attention for a while, but my allegiance was trance, so I slipped back to the Trance room to hear What I thought was Mike Orasco ripping it up.... Much slower than Thee-o, but excellent melodic and happy trance with good thump to it, but was getting a lot of "Bleed through" from the main room. I found a good sound "Sweet spot" and had unobstructed view of the video in the main room that really enhanced my trance state, not to mention the awesome lasers. Despite "Rabbit in the Moon" in the main room, I stayed in the trance room until the end, which came all too soon. Boo! for having such an awsome party end so early.... I eventually make it back to the Loft to chill and write this report. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 12:35:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA18925; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA18920; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sandoz@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA20742 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:34:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: pluto.sfsu.edu: sandoz owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG X-Sender: sandoz@pluto To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: CBC and prop 215 benefit and publicity party. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Weather your a Trance tripper, or one of those cool stuffed with fluff housers, or believe that one can only really ever get an "O" with techno, or that the jungle tip is the shit, you have something in coomon with all other member's of the rave scene: you smoke pot (or, if you don't, you don't resent or change your attitude about some one who does). So what better issue then proposition 215, the medical marijuana initiative, then to bring together the most diverse dj line-up for quite sometime. For anyone who is still in the dark about prop 215 this is a stae-wide propsal to legalize the use and cultivation of marijuana for people who are deemed by a doctor that using marijuana would be benificial to there help, from procecution by the authorities. This propsition is being voted on on November 5th, the same day as the Presidential election. And lo my people, please be happy, because now there is finnally a reason to vote! Anyway, that's enough plugging, what about the rave itself? It will be at 1444 Van Ness Ave S.f which is the CBC headquarters on October the 11th from 9pm to 8am. There are going to be five floors of sounds for your aural tase buds:- Floor four: Jungle in a House. House dj's Tracy, Astrsal Matrix and dj's Flux and Bass Traveller on the Jungle tip. Featuring live performance by Joanna Sharp of Spacetime Continium fame. Vissuals by Hyperdelic. Floor three: "Dance'n'Trance. Trance dj's Theta Blip, Myster-E, et-al, will be taking you on a magical journey (?!) to the land of trance; depart time 9.pm! Featuring a live performance by Terbo Ted and vissuals by Peter-Booth-Lee. Floor two: Neon Soul Kitchen. Sit down and relax or get down right funky in the Dinning Room as Food NOt Bombs feeds and refreshes you with Chi and eats while Dj's Mr.Trippy and other's soothe your soul with Ambient Techno and the retro tip. Floor one: The techno Zone. Dj's Eathen and co will proove once and for all that you only get an "O" with techno. Vissuals by gateway. The Bottom floor. "Reality Check." Tired of repetive beats for a bit? Then come and chill out down here. Featuring speakers Denis Peron (CBC founder and one of the biggest pot heads of all times), John Perry Barlow and live performaces by Exterminating Angel and Anzi as well as stalls and information booths to educate and free your mind. This is a no i.d required 18+ rave. As this is a benifit the admission cost is $10-15 sliding scale. For more info on the party please call 415-790-0083. For more info on CBC and prop 215 visit there WEBB page at http://www.marijuana.org We still need a few bits and pieces such as more lighting and ideas. If anyone has anything that they would like to contribute to the party such as equipment, lighting, physical help (for free admission) on the day, stalls/information booths, backdrops, etc, etc, please conatact me Tristan either by e-mailing me sandoz@sfsu.edu or paging me 415-220-4173. Please come and have a good time and please register to vote so that we can ease the the suffering of literally millions of Californians and teach that no good scum-bag Wilson and his crony DA Lungrin a lesson in democracy they will never forget. Using the unifying power of the dance to keep hemp alive, Tristan. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 13:47:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA23822; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 13:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email.sjsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA23814; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 13:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athens (athens [130.65.3.10]) by email.sjsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17532 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 13:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 13:41:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dhiren P. Dasu" X-Sender: udu00726@athens To: sfraves Subject: charity!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does this shit get any better?We journeyed far in the quest for the phat beats and the good vibes, little did we know how close we were to the motherlode.We (Ben, Gerhard, and me) got there early and helped in some of the set up. HAd a blast actually seeing the space before it became the manic, hyperactive, spliced reality, stream of consciousness energy vortex that it became. In essence, what I'm saying is that I had the time of my life... again. Once again I was able to divide my time meeting people and dancing like a madman. That perfect balance was reached. Got to meet all the trippers that I've wanted to and this time actually got phone numbers and e-mail addresses. ben and me were particularly moved by the litereature that was available in the ambient room on that desk. If any of you know the origins of that stuff, I would appreciate any info. Greetings and hugz to all the people I met in particular: Ashley,Libby, Heidi, Michelle, Rick, Brendan, Greg, Marjo, Clench(like jaw not fist!) Moonpup, Andy, Adam, Philip, Lucas, David, David, Jesse, Sy,Eric Peterson, Ran, FatherTime,Rudi, John, Vicki etc. forgive me if I forgot your name, I still remember your smile and our hugz. The pace is familiar but I can't quite remember the mane. Ian, our impromptu recitation and analysis of Police and Beatles music was one of the conversations that pushed my night teetering and tottering into a very spiritual zone. I finally met Steveo again whom I haven't seen since an F-8 party in June. and of course, Ariel, whom I right away recognised by her Phat pants and impish grin. The music in the main room was incredible when I think Deaks was spinning. I was walking on clouds all the way through that set . I'll see y'all next week same time same place unless I see you at sunset tomorrow. Until then, LOVE Dhiren My favorite lyric of the day off a compilation called Rave-o-Lution (yes I thought it was an original name too!)and it goes" YOU KNOW WE CAN DO THIS, YOU KNOW WE CAN DO THIS, YOU NOW WE CAN DO THIS, ....... WE ALWAYS DO THIS....." repeat ad infinitum. By the time the song's over I am utterly convinced that whatever THIS is we can do it. LOVE From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 15:45:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA01358; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 15:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mhhaa.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA01352; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 15:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from notes2.compuserve.com ([149.174.221.56]) by mhhaa.compuserve.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA26600.; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 18:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by notes2.compuserve.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.17/2.0) id AA4648; Sat, 05 Oct 96 18:45:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9610052245.AA4648@notes2.compuserve.com> Received: by External Gateway (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 33EB2F0BAACF0000882563BA00798291; Sat, 5 Oct 96 18:45:18 To: sf-raver family From: "nathan.b.beckord" Date: 5 Oct 96 15:42:12 Subject: Charity review, some thoughts on aging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The evening started off with a trip to Bezerkeley, to get some *supplies* for the evening at Charity. Made it to the Acme about midnight, after eating some lovely zoomers, organically grown of course. There was a group of 6 of us, 2 guys and 4 girls, and it was two girlz' first rave. For some reason, they kinda freaked (a little sensory overload, I think) and took off about two o'clock. Finding the mushroom room was key, as I had had a little too much and needed some space to chill and get over that peak. The feeling passed, and then the basement was calling. Danced hard for another 2 hours, then went up to the top floor, sat in front of one of the bass cabinets, and got lost in the jungle. I think that's one of the main reasons I love to go to parties: just to "feel" the music, to feel the fuzzy bass tones reverberating (sp?) through the body. I call it my "electronic acupressure therapy". Anywayz, re-found the hardy survivors of our group, and danced in the main floor from 4 to 6, up at the very front of the room. Who was spinning then? I'm never able to keep track of the DJs, so when I find one that rocks (as he did), It would be great to know who it was. Also key was the wonderful gentleman who was passing out cups of ice and water bottles. Danke! Question: Upon leaving, the only complaint of the group that I brought to this was that they felt "old", which sounds funny because most of them are 23 (I'm 24), and 24 sure as hell doesn't feel old. HOWEVER, I do sorta know how they feel as it seems that alot of the smaller parties either are targeted towards or seem to attract the "raver kids", who are all in high school or just out, and who all seem to know each other. On the other hand , the "massives" seem to attract a much broader range of ages and "types" of people, but massives also sometimes lose something in the vibe. So, what's the answer? Is raving something you outgrow? That's a depressing thought, as I believe the vibe, feeling, awareness, connectedness, and "karma" one gets from the scene are truly unique and special. But how many people in their 30's did you see at Charity? I was imagining if I was 30, would I feel comfortable dancing and hanging out with people in their 'teens? Would they fee comfortable with me? Perhaps Leslie holds the answer to this, but she's on vacation. Certainly, the love, awareness and other feelings can be internalized and carried with one's self throughout life. Just a few thoughts. This is in no way a diss on younger ravers; indeed, I personally get a good charge from the energy of youth. I just want to know....what does the future hold for us grandpappys in our 20's and beyond? :) :) :) Peace out! Nathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 16:45:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA04897; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 16:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email.sjsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA04885; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 16:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athens (athens [130.65.3.10]) by email.sjsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19899 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 16:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 16:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dhiren P. Dasu" X-Sender: udu00726@athens To: sfraves Subject: 411 on CCC tonight? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey there fellow initiates in the Order of Higher Love I was wondering if anyone out there had any info about the CCC Goa trance party in Berkeley? Oakland tonight. I would appreciate any info. THank You and keep gruuvin, Dhiren From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 17:12:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA06552; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA06547; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA17639; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:12:16 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:12:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lowe To: SF-Raver Family cc: Strick Subject: Charity review; Organic review; thoughts on sleep deprivation :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- It's 4:35pm. I've been up of 35 hours. The question occurs to me - why do I do this to myself? And then it comes to me... that creeping grin that starts as a smirk and winds up hurting my face, as I remember the reasons (and there are many!) Charity was beautiful. Purr, purr! Hard work, trying to get the ACME into decent shape, I must say. I was recruited as a helper, which in my case meant sweeping out the whole place Thursday night and then Friday helping with the decorations, an hour of door duty and a little under two hours selling water (downstairs). I've said it before, I'll say it again - - I get a real charge out of helping out! I was pretty well exhausted by the start of the party, and was really not expecting to do much dancing. Hah! Silly me forgot how much I love jungle :) Though actually the dancing started out with what would turn out to be my only dancing on the main floor, very early on, while Greg was spinning. Yummy stuff. But really, I did 90% of my dancing on the top floor, during the 5 or 6 hours while they were spinning jungle up there. Too bad about the space limitations. I really prefer to have a large space for dancing. I just made do with what I had, most of the time :) I must say, it was really wierd (to me) to have people start cheering at my dancing. Not a bad thing, just really strange. It was *so* much fun, anyway. Left me craving more, though. With space, preferably :) And of course there was the wonderful people. Much of the same crowd that has been at the Harmony parties I've attended. Which is great! I did less socializing than I have been recently - my prime social hours (after 4am or so) were spent *almost* sleeping to the trip-hop on the top floor. I did meet a lot of great new people (some of whose names I may even remember!) thanks mainly to the gifts I gave out. I vaguely remember helping out with tearing down, too. I was pretty tired. I played a few records for the cleanup crew, which was great fun. And by the time Melanie drove me home - 12:30 or so - the place was pretty well back to normal (i.e. utterly filthy but without any decorations :) For some reason, when I got home I wasn't able to sleep. So... trundled on down to Organic, Funky Tekno Tribe's free autumn equinox celebration in Golden Gate park (20 minute walk from my place.) It was a housey party with a housey vibe - happy but lacking in depth. But it was outdoors, it was a beautiful day, and I was too tired to notice my legs screaming, so I danced... just a little. Left at about 4pm. I'm not a big house fan - but I recognize that this was high quality house and a *very* nice sound system. Mars was there... if only he'd been spinning.... mmm... Tomorrow - sunset. If there is one? I believe so. This will be my very first sunset. I'll be well rested, hopefully, by then. It's been (and continues to be) "One of Those Weekends". Cool! Next weekend, I'm looking forward to not raving (with the exception, perhaps, of sunset). Gotta recover the legs. Hurtin'! See (some of) you folks tomorrow! Pleasant dreams and/or happy dancing, wherever you are tonight! : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : :"Time never started at all. Chaos never died. The Empire was never: : founded. We are not now & never have been slaves to the past or : : hostages to the future." -Hakim Bey, /T.A.Z./ : :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMlb5WqD2AoV67volAQGf6Af8DHdmXRSuJvbKxhcECUVLdL3woFnCiAH+ 7dkyzNODPBSuS9zn2w0n7rQsVnPVphK2IR/tIXtzIJPO4Yyt4tuE0UAn2+OP6eR5 n2wBd7G+R0e4SEWdSvRnDQEGzYuOcV/WFI3BC3iqXTqWbys+P2qXSs6X7kxZVIK/ RS7z99v3leYgGrN1oCw60oXRqcx5LZHj1HjHaNNKDsOzsChV7oAN3DkSiQVSH8RO Fx1Rl491t4dwoG6rHp+8Eo9ay/DjgKcVs/jV+qD/KC2NUORTRhegXGh8/8Z/Jrl6 0GMbJcMgotl545Cz9a70bRLWER5qV/3YVOvIRYhxexSYVsghGRJmLA== =VE2C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 17:29:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA07579; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elaine35.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA07572; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine35.Stanford.EDU (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA23223; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Burger King To: friends&family Subject: comment on charity Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk too crowded, too hot, too dangerous. otherwise, good party. cripes, I thought that by this time we know the max capacity of Acme, and I hoped ticket sales would reflect that. I would not have minded spending $2 more for a ticket if it meant that the ticket sales were capped at a reasonable limit. jon From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 17:52:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA08974; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA08968; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id RAA29653; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:51:18 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9610052245.AA4648@notes2.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:51:13 -0800 To: "nathan.b.beckord" , sf-raver family From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Charity review, some thoughts on aging Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 3:42 PM -0800 10/5/96, nathan.b.beckord wrote: >Anywayz, re-found the hardy survivors of our group, and danced in the main >floor from 4 to 6, up at the very front of the room. Who was spinning >then? I'm >never able to keep track of the DJs, so when I find one that rocks (as he >did), >It would be great to know who it was. Also key was the wonderful gentleman >who Deaks Dutch 4:30-6 (or so) And finally John Carel >Question: Upon leaving, the only complaint of the group that I brought to >this >was that they felt "old", which sounds funny because most of them are 23 (I'm >24), and 24 sure as hell doesn't feel old. HOWEVER, I do sorta know how they >feel as it seems that alot of the smaller parties either are targeted towards >or seem to attract the "raver kids", who are all in high school or just out, Shit, how can you blame anyone for going to a dope party like that, but especially those under 21, where there's no age limit. Whatdaya expect them to watch a moive with their 'rents? "I feel old." ?? Get off it! How did those in your group feel when they were partying at 17-21? Or were they home watching movies with their 'rents? =) >So, what's the answer? Is raving something you outgrow? That's a depressing >thought, as I believe the vibe, feeling, awareness, connectedness, and >"karma" There is nothing in this life that you have to outgrow unless 1) you want to; 2) you allow others to force you to; 3) society forces you to (for moral reasons); or 4) you just get bored with it. And I think what happens to most ravers is number 2, and even more so, number 4. That's why you find older ravers becoming more involved, so they don't just go out to parties all the time, they throw them. >one gets from the scene are truly unique and special. But how many people in >their 30's did you see at Charity? I was imagining if I was 30, would I feel >comfortable dancing and hanging out with people in their 'teens? Would they >fee comfortable with me? Perhaps Leslie holds the answer to this, but >she's on >vacation. Certainly, the love, awareness and other feelings can be >internalized >and carried with one's self throughout life. I saw a number of people in that age range, and you know what, maybe by them hanging out with 'teens, they look feel and ARE younger. So maybe you didn't recongize them, huh? But here's the thing, maybe they can guide and teach the teens. I think it's astounding, and probably one of the ONLY social settings where you have old and young partying alike, and partying that hard. I think it's a great thing. >Just a few thoughts. This is in no way a diss on younger ravers; indeed, I >personally get a good charge from the energy of youth. I just want to >know....what does the future hold for us grandpappys in our 20's and beyond? Whatever the fuck you want! Tony P.S. I was at the door from 12-2 and in my professional opinion the crowd was not THAT young. Harmnony 3 year? Now THAT was a young crowd. But you know those Harmony kids... =) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 18:27:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA10986; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 18:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA10981; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 18:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id SAA29917; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 18:26:58 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199610051926.MAA22379@mh1.well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 18:26:52 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: socal-raves@UCSD.EDU, sd-raves@party.net Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Have you ever started and stopped an email 10 times because you are so completely appalled by the subject? Well, this is number 11 and I've promised myself that no matter what I write I will send it. ...No wait, I just had to delete something. ...Fuck, I had to again! All I can say is the promoter seems to have gotten ripped off... At 12:22 PM -0800 10/5/96, John Draper wrote: I wanted a free ticket to a party and I was a cry-baby when I only got in for half price....And my "associate" had to pay-in-full. An enormous, ear-bleeding "what-EVER!" Tony >PlayScool review (c) by Crunchman It must take a long time to build a horse so high.... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 18:53:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA12379; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 18:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA12374; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 18:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkep26086; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp108.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08592; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 18:58:37 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 18:58:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9610060158.AA08592@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) From: Aryck Subject: Re: my mom was influenced by Leeza!!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 03:27 PM 10/2/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Help! > >I was on the phone today with my mom (who is still trapped in Rhode Island), >and she says: >"I hope you're not getting so involved with this rave scene" >uh oh. >"um, I don't suppose you watched Leeza the other day?" > >Yes, *my* mom, with all her years of hipness, coolness, being an >artist, a supporter of music and underground arts, an ex-hippie, a New >Yorker, and the owner of a really cool wardrobe, watched the Leeza >show and returned with the impression that raves are big drug-fests. > >She's even *been* to a rave before... So I told her about Leslie, and >how we were friends, and how the show was designed to be a bunch of >sensationalistic media-hype, etc, etc. Seemed to ease her mind >a little bit. But then she asked, >"*You* haven't started using drugs, too, have you?" > >So I admitted to my heroin habit :) She wasn't amused, but I got a >hearty chuckle out of my office mate ;) > >Anyway, my point is: if *my* mom (who ranks very high on the cool mom >scale) could be influenced by this, can you imagine what Teenage >America's parents are thinking right now??? > >Oh well, it's things like this that keep us underground. > >Steve > >-- >Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb > | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | > | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | > | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | > > Yeah. . . my mom was influenced a bit too. She was talking about how stupid those parents were on the show and how everyone needs to come together and love one another somehow. And other things Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 19:57:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA16188; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 19:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgate.metricom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA16183; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 19:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.179.128.83] (mg128-083.ricochet.net [204.179.128.83]) by rgate.metricom.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10723 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 19:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610060255.TAA10723@rgate.metricom.com> Subject: sat. night? Date: Sat, 5 Oct 96 20:01:28 -0700 x-sender: deeje@ricochet.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: deeje cooley To: "SFRaves" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, If there's anyone still online tonight... any suggestions for raves? I see so many on the calendar! :-) deeje -------------------------------------------------------------------------- deeje cooley Journeyman Software -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 20:23:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA17838; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA17829; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plasticdreams.sonoma.edu (SA-6EN38.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01IAAOV30NCW9TCUJN@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 05 Oct 1996 20:23:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 20:24:48 -0700 From: Jonas Hanning Subject: CCC Party tonight! X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu To: SFRaves Message-id: <3.0b33.32.19961005202446.006a7d68@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b33 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes, it IS finally happening... The wacky Swede is going to show up at an event! =) Here's all the info you'll need: Place: CCC Party @ some location. How to spot me: Look for the 6' tall guy with a shaved head. He'll be wearing black and white pants and a bright orange hunting jacket. Good ways to strike up a conversation with me: Say something in Swedish. =) See ya there! *********************************************************** * <> <<>> <> * * <<>> * * "still listening to wax, i'm not using the cd..." * *********************************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 20:49:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA19443; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA19436; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sandoz@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA10766; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:49:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: pluto.sfsu.edu: sandoz owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:49:35 -0700 (PDT) From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG X-Sender: sandoz@pluto To: "Dhiren P. Dasu" cc: sfraves Subject: Re: 411 on CCC tonight? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Call 415-487-7817. On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Dhiren P. Dasu wrote: > Hey there fellow initiates in the Order of Higher Love > I was wondering if anyone out there had any info about the CCC Goa > trance party in Berkeley? Oakland tonight. I would appreciate any info. > > THank You > and keep gruuvin, > Dhiren > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 21:17:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA21174; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA21168; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkez12519; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 00:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp99.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09959; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:23:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:23:01 -0700 Message-Id: <9610060423.AA09959@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) From: Aryck Subject: Re: NRR: Daffy's Resume Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 05:00 PM 10/4/96 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone seen the August 22nd Far Side cartoon? > >Daffy Duck's resume, with my embellishments: > >OBJECTIVE: Seeking a challenging position utilizing my amazing > physical flexibility and witty reparte in a dynamic > animation company whose mission is to provide high > quality humor as well as slapstick comedy. > >EXPERIENCE: >Aug'63-Nov'67: Jumped around a lot and went "WOOHOO, WOOHOO, WOOHOO!" > >Jan'68-Aug'83: Jumped around a lot and went "WOOHOO, WOOHOO, WOOHOO!" > >Sep'83: Wrote MSDOS. > >Oct'84-Present: Short stint in politics, jumped around a lot and > went "WOOHOO, WOOHOO, WOOHOO!" > >SPECIAL SKILLS: > - Can be blown away at short range by a shotgun without dying. > - Can fall from extreme heights without major injuries. > - Bill can be relocated to any point on head without loss of > speech. > - Jumping around a lot and going "WOOHOO, WOOHOO, WOOHOO!" > >REFERENCES: Available upon request. > > > > HEY. . . that looks a lot like my resume, SERIOUSLY.! keep it ON! Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 21:21:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA21453; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA21446; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkez13410; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 00:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp99.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09972; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:27:21 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:27:20 -0700 Message-Id: <9610060427.AA09972@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Aryck Subject: HMMMM. . . Love thang??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just so you all know, (but who really cares), I'm attempting to take my three friends: Jason, Kevin, Ryan, and my girly Lay-cee to love thang. The last attempts have been thwarted by puke attacks (not from me), and overall being scared. I'll be in a long sleeved red white and blue shirt (which will probably be replaced with a cooler white shirt), a grey hat, a red winder, and a few straggly newbies. Come say YELLO!!!! keep it ON! > Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 22:09:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA24460; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 22:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA24451; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 22:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crl5.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA13196 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Oct 1996 22:10:07 -0700 Received: by crl5.crl.com id AA19336 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Sat, 5 Oct 1996 22:01:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 22:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel J. MacMillan" To: Tony Rotundo Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: socal-raves@UCSD.EDU, sd-raves@party.net In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You've saved me the trouble. Right-on. -Dan On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Tony Rotundo wrote: > Have you ever started and stopped an email 10 times because you are so > completely appalled by the subject? > > Well, this is number 11 and I've promised myself that no matter what I > write I will send it. > > ...No wait, I just had to delete something. > > ...Fuck, I had to again! > > All I can say is the promoter seems to have gotten ripped off... > > At 12:22 PM -0800 10/5/96, John Draper wrote: > > I wanted a free ticket to a party and I was a cry-baby when I only got in > for half price....And my "associate" had to pay-in-full. > > > An enormous, ear-bleeding "what-EVER!" > Tony > > >PlayScool review (c) by Crunchman > > It must take a long time to build a horse so high.... > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Oct 5 23:24:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA28611; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 23:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA28606; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 23:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greg (sjx-ca52-05.ix.netcom.com [206.214.103.197]) by mail.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id XAA26131; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 23:24:38 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961006060636.006741ec@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: ascend@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 23:06:36 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Gregory Sandler Subject: Love Thang Directions + info!!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Tickets for tonight's "love Thang" party are on sale right now (as I write this) at Housewares on Haight st.!!! ($15 til two am. (415)675-5605 gives some info, but, the voicemails are not working right now, and this is the only way to get into the party tonight!!!!) The party should be fucking rad, so show your support!!!! Peace, Greg =) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 05:15:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id FAA21244; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 05:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id FAA21233; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 05:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plasticdreams.sonoma.edu (SA-6EN38.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01IAB7FL70409TCVXO@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 06 Oct 1996 05:15:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 05:16:51 -0700 From: Jonas Hanning Subject: CCC: an 80 minute drive and a shower later. X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu To: SFRaves Message-id: <3.0b33.32.19961006051647.006ac3c0@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b33 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, we arrived at Casa Zimbabwe at 11, expecting to find the party going at full speed. Instead, we found a bunch of people looking bored and NO music. We decided to go grab something to eat, and then come back. When we returned at 11:45, we met a lot of discouraged ravers who had been turned down at the door. I guess their efforts to keep this underground didn't quite do the trick. I feel sorry for anyone who missed out on this, because the vibe was great. I guess we'll have to blame Gil's somewhat [flame.gif] mediocre mixing on the sound equipment or something. But the tunes he spun still created a wonderful feeling of euphoria, and I couldn't leave the dance floor. But at 3:30 I had to leave, and Gil was still spinning. =) I hope you all had a great time there, I sure did. And just imagine how could it would have been on a non-slippery floor with a dj that was on the same team as his equipment... ;) Last but night least, big ups to the guy who went around the room handing out glasses of water! =) reespect, jonas *********************************************************** * <> <<>> <> * * <<>> * * "still listening to wax, i'm not using the cd..." * *********************************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 07:26:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id HAA26428; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 07:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpbio1.Biologie.HU-Berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id HAA26393; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 07:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hpbio1.Biologie.HU-Berlin.de (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13369; Sun, 6 Oct 96 15:38:26 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:38:25 +0200 (MESZ) From: Ulrike Laitko Subject: Re: Raver In Need To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk could somebody please keep me posted about brian d.'s fate? i mean, did anybody bother to help him out, what the heck happened at all, and things? thanks, ulrike From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 08:59:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA01118; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 08:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slash.eline.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA01112; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 08:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sfbayguardian.com ([206.15.95.160]) by slash.eline.com (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA04706 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 08:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 96 09:08:44 -0800 From: ERMODA@sfbayguardian.com (ERMODA) Organization: The San Francisco Bay Guardian Subject: re: 2nd Chakra To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: <3345290.ensmtp@sfbayguardian.com> Priority: normal X-Mailer: ExpressNet/SMTP v1.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The Global Rhythm Movement is here in full force. After producing "Megga Buzz One" with Feel Good Entertainment, we are now seeking any spirited individuals to help out with Nexus' "2nd Chakra" on Nov. 9. We intend to use theatrical props, turning the dancefloor into a play stage. Direct interaction is our focus for this party. Your creative participation will be much appreciated. please email us privately. :) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent via the Guardian Online. 415.437.3600 N81 or bbs.sfbayguardian.com, 3004 ================================================================================ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 11:00:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA08336; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA08328; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp046-sf3.sirius.com [205.134.234.46]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id LAA29398 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:00:19 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:00:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199610061800.LAA29398@mail1.sirius.com> X-Sender: kerryl@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Kerry Levenberg Subject: Where's Sunset? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk How do I get to the sunset party? Much thanks, Kerry From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 12:01:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA12390; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA12381; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA08437 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:01:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lowe To: SF-Raver Family Subject: froodles (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My friend Strick, whom I invited to Charity, had some words to say... he's not on the list... so here we go... - ---------- begin Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 02:10:08 GMT From: strick at The Yak To: dlowe@best.com Subject: froodles [...snip...] but iT WAS FANTASTIQ so i thx ya for alerting me and none of this "this is the last time i'm gonna bug ya" do tell me when you think a hypergood one is cuming up i would reply to all of SFRAVES but i'm not on the list and i think that list rejects outsiders -- but tell them it was great seeing old friend. and i did. including lotsa people from my BBS in san jose (well, it ws a bbs, we still know everyone) owell ... back tot he real whirrled stricklove - ---------- end Forwarded message ---------- : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : : "I will not play at tug o' war. / I'd rather play at hug o' war. : : Where everyone hugs / Instead of tugs. / Where everyone giggles : : And rolls on the rug, / Where everyone kisses, : : And everyone grins, / And everyone cuddles, / And everyone wins." : : -Shel Silverstein, "Hug 'O War" : :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMlgCC6D2AoV67volAQG6Qwf9G+zJKgp+ZbI3fiZ78sa6XwujOmt+jN7I ejFUoqhLoZJfjXHAB9n8Di1zpW8BB4GAF4MwBeIgyqpcXrSuYe9xAuHMdlGqRjDb aRvPKe/MwjhtT9ob/Y7/s4awlGsolcaI+/ywB5+s9VxQ21SFI+CmLA+Sq3BicvSg T2UpfCDztvVYpQ2ruTPbzTGzGwwIeiRsWPneBkTycakez0h+pI6BivbIOag/j9IE rrnhx0uYXf8kNkY8TWJyPQ1+KDUVI4CMiYqo8eFEUMr8IsWPy2ejvJz6D6NEUXpA c8NkRkPDHcwHRLQC2/XAwVcmasA3zmrG0a3JcsyV7id7OxhBWuijKw== =bSNk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 12:32:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA14458; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA14442; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkhi05106; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp110.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17214; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:38:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:38:43 -0700 Message-Id: <9610061938.AA17214@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Aryck Subject: the love thangs things(very brief) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It was cool. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 12:42:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA15098; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA15089; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA12127; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:41:16 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:41:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lowe To: Kerry Levenberg cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Where's Sunset? In-Reply-To: <199610061800.LAA29398@mail1.sirius.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 6 Oct 1996, Kerry Levenberg wrote: > How do I get to the sunset party? Sunset is going to be 3pm - evening, at Point Molate. I don't drive, so I'm not really qualified to give directions - but you can call the Pacific infoline for directions --> (415)985-5264. See you there!! : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : : "The secret to happiness is short-term, stupid self-interest!" : : - Calvin, /Calvin and Hobbes/ : :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMlgLU6D2AoV67volAQFE7Qf/Zx/mjDYntk4tdacnwrAcwwTwcFlKeP49 LM4GgawO6P8h+/iTLadMivbNNx3qfbcGiP/+d3QgSeiRhJDd1B3LOWSEbQlm7smN QmcYH5CIIFwjIYJWdssPKgisN+O6C88nhHw9T6GbmlxFWfxe6XcODTcHrRIbWqbj ZMKtXgnyPFPxuqFYMTY58/du9aFDE/nGfKod5d5RpGNcHoryw+DViUQjsdaH4bXp WkktPfMjC5EvNZ/8GXn7XXnD4kwFfS+2GMAgMIHkxb85vxk7QyUauP5LINRRCkKP YkxJXK9oVVXqyPRw/BdyTrufv3LdBdSpJJIbscZJgmW1iIEX6jklqQ== =KmBO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 12:52:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA15903; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from funhouse.ten.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA15895; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (cnc501100.concentric.net [206.173.233.100]) by funhouse.ten.net (8.7.6/8.7.2) with ESMTP id MAA05959; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610061952.MAA05959@funhouse.ten.net> From: "Pengo" To: Cc: Subject: CHArity flashbacks Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:53:36 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ahh... another great party in the building everyone loves to hate. Memorable moments for me Fri night include: Setting up the lights that spelled out "Charity".. getting to the "T"... having the lights burn out on me (DOH!!) and then doing it all over again. Paying homage to the Giant Majic Mushroom. Asking a girl what she does and hearing "I'm an exotic dancer" and replying "oh shure, I hear that ALL the time" ;). tRiPPy ViSuAls off of my ciggarete. More Visuals from that room behind the fan, you know, the one that looked 'normal'. Shom (Did I spell that right?) ending the set in the top room with a telephone ringing for 20 seconds ("You get it!" "No YOU get it!") Talking to Thad before the party. Getting my backpack back from Randy (Thanks again man! :) ) Sessions with Eric Peterson. Finally meeting -Brandan- . Watching Karen going wild sitting on top of the speakers. (<--That was SUCH a Kodak moment!!!! Seeing her trip out with her hands, the "We are all beautiful people" sign above her and the energized crowd below her.) Getting into some PHAT Trip-Hop beats like I never have before. Well, back to my homework. -=Pengo=- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 12:52:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA15915; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from funhouse.ten.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA15901; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (cnc501100.concentric.net [206.173.233.100]) by funhouse.ten.net (8.7.6/8.7.2) with ESMTP id MAA05957; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610061952.MAA05957@funhouse.ten.net> From: "Pengo" To: Cc: Subject: Charity Flashbacks Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:51:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ahh... another great party in the building everyone loves to hate. Memorable moments for me Fri night include: Setting up the lights that spelled out "Charity".. getting to the "T"... having the lights burn out on me (DOH!!) and then doing it all over again. Paying homage to the Giant Majic Mushroom. Asking a girl what she does and hearing "I'm an exotic dancer" and replying "oh shure, I hear that ALL the time" ;). tRiPPy ViSuAls off of my ciggarete. More Visuals from that room behind the fan, you know, the one that looked 'normal'. Shom (Did I spell that right?) ending the set in the top room with a telephone ringing for 20 seconds ("You get it!" "No YOU get it!") Talking to Thad before the party. Getting my backpack back from Randy (Thanks again man! :) ) Sessions with Eric Peterson. Finally meeting -Brandan- . Watching Karen going wild sitting on top of the speakers. (<--That was SUCH a Kodak moment!!!! Seeing her trip out with her hands, the "We are all beautiful people" sign above her and the energized crowd below her.) Getting into some PHAT Trip-Hop beats like I never have before. Well, back to my homework. -=Pengo=- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 13:10:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA17523; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 13:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA17515; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 13:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkhk08422; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 16:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp105.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17731; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 13:16:42 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 13:16:41 -0700 Message-Id: <9610062016.AA17731@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Aryck Subject: love thangs things(not so brief) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is it just me or does every single persons directions tke you somewhere thats pretty cool, but like ten miles from where you'd actually like to be. I swear, there must be like 20 gas station attendants laughing their little heads off about those directions they gave me which took me somewhere in SF (all I remember is ofarrel, mcallister, ofarrel, mcallister, ofarrell. . . ). I guess I'm just not to hip with the dYeRektuhn thing.?! So, eventually me and my buds eventually make it to the map point, which was housewares (but that didn't help since I was looking for a tupperware shop). It was on haight (a street which I've been lost, and found, but haver never found without being lost). The chick gave me the tickets, and a little ass piece of paper with like some chinese writing on it (may also resemble messy cursive). I sorta found where you were actually supposed to go, and she didn't tell me that oak would turn into another road, or you could go straight and race that half asleep guy down the wrong way of a one way road. I just ended up turning right on the next road down. Now, we had to get parking. That was easy compared to merely stopping at a normal market street intersection. Just a few drives for a few blocks, and a short walk (refraining from making a rhyme). We gave the whoevers thier little red tabbs and went in. I talked to some guy named bello or bollo or jello or something and he gave me his pager number. We all went in and it was a bit too crowded. It was 2:00 though. And everybody seems to magically appear at 2:00, but I didn't see them following me? after a minute or two, me and lay-cee started dancing around. The place was cool, lots of people to step on you and smile and say sorry (even if it was MY fault for stepping under their foot at the wrong time). We danced, got comfy, and kinda settled in. My friends Jason and Ryan thought it was cool. They've never gone to something like this before. People would go up to them and talk to them. They met a few guys and smoked whatever with them. And some people had some wicked ass smelling green somewhere. I knew this Johnny guy did (he asked me to look at his sacks{pot}). I don't know if he thought he was getting his moneys worth or what but he sure seemed proud of his little baggies. My girly got tired and lumbered around, my friends just kinda got adjusted to the new world, and I went out to make a little dust. It kinda pisses you off a little when you get this killer little section of sand cleared out so you can dance non-injurily, then these people come out of nowhere and drop this board on your hole? It's ok. . . they were cool though. I just loved listening to the music and moving my limbs whichever direction they wanted to go. I probably looked like a geek wearing a long sleeve striped shirt with my other shirt hanging from my pants. It looked cool, but I actually meant to put it on when I got hot, it just never happened. Dancing was great, the music was great, I didn't like the sand much though. Those two chicks with the flames seemed pretty friendly. They put on a good little show, and everyone really though it was the bees knees. I wasn't exactly sure what they were doing the whole time, but it looked like fun. We left around 6, and it took like 5 mins to get to the freeway, and like 15 more home. That's really not fair. I wish I got lost getting home instead of getting to where I wanted to go. My friends said to call them if I ever go again, Jason especially reminded me (he'll go a lot). Now I'm still up, my girly's asleep, and I want to go wake ryan and jason up to go to Santa Cruz. . . hey, maybe Kevin'll let me drive his 280 (that car is f****** killer). I hope everyone had similar encounters??? Hugyerselves4me. . . Oh, and I'm in an especially good mood cuz I'm starting to get to know my girlfriends friend Jenny better. She's a waaay killer chick to talk to and she's up on my level. It's wierd how you can have a girlfriend who's everything to you and there's still someone who can make you feel needed. Or whatever. I hope we become good friends (that's all). She's more interested in the things I do than my girly is?? Just a big happy family. . . wait, no. . . nevermind. . . . . . fryin purple people eater. . . keep it ON! Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 13:15:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA17800; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 13:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA17794; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 13:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkhl08798; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 16:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp104.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17794; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 13:21:11 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 13:21:10 -0700 Message-Id: <9610062021.AA17794@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Pengo" From: Aryck Subject: Re: Charity Flashbacks Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:51 PM 10/6/96 -0700, you wrote: >Ahh... another great party in the building everyone loves to hate. >Memorable moments for me Fri night include: > >Setting up the lights that spelled out "Charity".. getting to the "T"... >having the lights burn out on me (DOH!!) and then doing it all over again. >Paying homage to the Giant Majic Mushroom. Asking a girl what she does and >hearing "I'm an exotic dancer" and replying "oh shure, I hear that ALL the >time" ;). tRiPPy ViSuAls off of my ciggarete. More Visuals from that room >behind the fan, you know, the one that looked 'normal'. Shom (Did I spell >that right?) ending the set in the top room with a telephone ringing for 20 >seconds ("You get it!" "No YOU get it!") Talking to Thad before the party. >Getting my backpack back from Randy (Thanks again man! :) ) Sessions with >Eric Peterson. Finally meeting -Brandan- . Watching Karen going wild >sitting on top of the speakers. (<--That was SUCH a Kodak moment!!!! Seeing >her trip out with her hands, the "We are all beautiful people" sign above >her and the energized crowd below her.) Getting into some PHAT Trip-Hop >beats like I never have before. > >Well, back to my homework. > >-=Pengo=- > > Now why can't I ever get to parties like that. . .uhhhhhh. Next time. Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 14:03:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA21211; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 14:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA21204; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 14:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00187; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 14:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 14:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Kerry Levenberg cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Where's Sunset? In-Reply-To: <199610061800.LAA29398@mail1.sirius.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk call:415.985.5264 =) On Sun, 6 Oct 1996, Kerry Levenberg wrote: > How do I get to the sunset party? > > Much thanks, > Kerry > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 14:08:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA21638; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 14:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host.domain.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA21630; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 14:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.222.199] (playstation.soma.net [157.22.222.199]) by host.domain.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA27630 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 14:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <9610052245.AA4648@notes2.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 14:03:34 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Rusty H. Hodge" Subject: Re: some thoughts on aging Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk nathan.b.beckord wrote: >Question: Upon leaving, the only complaint of the group that I brought to this >was that they felt "old", which sounds funny because most of them are 23 (I'm >24), and 24 sure as hell doesn't feel old. (Old Geezer Voice ON) I'm 34 and I go raving every month or two. I'd go more if it were easy to go for just a couple of hours. This is about the only thing that makes me feel old! (Old Geezer Voice OFF) But I judge "age" on more of a mental state than anything else. I've got friends that are 20-50. My 50 year old friend is going to her first rave in San Diego next week I think. She can't wait. I've got 20 year old friends who are smarter and more knowledgable than my 30 year old friends. The only thing most yourer kids have going against them is a lack of wisdom. It seems that wisdom has to be obtained by experience. Not to say that there is no such thing as a wise 20 year old, just that that 20 year old will get much wiser as he/she ages. also, Tony Rotundo wrote: >But here's the thing, maybe they can guide and >teach the teens. I like to guide by telling "war stories"... what happened to me when I did something. People learn from their own and others experiences... DO NOT PREACH. DO NOT ACT "HOLIER-THAN-THOU". If you know someone younger than you is going to do something really stupid; give them survival tips. You can say you wouldn't do that if you were them, but encourage them to learn for themselves. Warn them of what might happen and tell them successful ways you dealt with it. Besides, most young people like listening to stories from "Rave Moms and Dads". It gives them hope that they can still be cool when they're old. :-> PS- I would have made it to Charity if I didn't have to deal with the Map Point being way over on the other side of town from me (and Acme being almost down the street). This is another old guy give away: we're too lazy to deal with map points. -- Rusty Hodge http://www.hodge.com Hodge [Interactive] Productions 801 Minnesota Ave. Studio 9 San Francisco CA 94107 tel +1.415.826.9500 fax +1.415.641.7773 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 15:41:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA27948; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aimnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA27942; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from drakiel (dial-bp1-13.iway.aimnet.com [205.219.41.77]) by aimnet.com (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA20960 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610062240.PAA20960@aimnet.com> From: "Jason Lucas" To: Subject: CCC Party was ON!!! Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:41:03 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings and hugs all around to my fellow SFRavers... I want to extend a phat THANK YOU to Raven for inviting me to the CCC party last night. I never met her there, maybe next time. This was the first Rave that I have gone to where the chill room was so much more live than the dance floor. Dancing was good, but the vibe that could be felt coming from this rave could be felt for miles around. So the chill room was the place to be. I have never been around so many wonderful, fun-loving, friendly people in my life!!!! BTW: I was the really annoying guy with the white tank top and the two flashing bike lights... Thanks for all the hugs and much love to the two flame dancers that put on a killer show for us as the sun rose!!! Much Lovin' all around!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >From the dawn of time man has sought to Eat, Sleep, Reproduce and Alter Conciousness... pLuR ************************************************* Jason Lucas -=[]=- Drakiel@Aimnet.Com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Oooh Oooh...P.S.: Mad props go out to the DJ that busted out the Brain Drain (Or whatever he called it) That trippy meditation session with the strobe light!!! I hope none of you missed it!!!!! -Peace From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 17:29:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA04943; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 17:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA04938; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 17:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Sun, 6 Oct 96 17:44 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961007002730.2c277eae@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 17:27:30 -0700 To: sddpw@sirius.com (Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works) From: Freak Zone Subject: Re: Visuals Cc: Jondabomb@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 08:18 PM 10/3/96 -0700, Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works wrote: >Killer, maybe not, but for near death experiences, I use Northern Lights. >Call John Mal at 415.258.8611. Most importantly, they're reliable. Icing >on the cake, they're nice people. John Mac can be reached at (415) 258-8661 -Sean ___________________________________ F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." email: freakz@ultima.org freakz@geocities.com freakz@freemark.com www: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3420/ (415) 227-7421 =================================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 19:07:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA11641; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA11636; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp-206-170-5-24.rdcy01.pacbell.net [206.170.5.24]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id TAA08061 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:07:09 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b33.32.19961006191131.009fba2c@pop.sirius.com> X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b33 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 19:11:34 -0700 To: NRR Central From: Blammo! 99 Subject: Re: Raver In Need Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >could somebody please keep me posted about brian d.'s fate? i mean, did >anybody bother to help him out, what the heck happened at all, and things? >thanks, ulrike I saw brian at CCC on saturday, he got a place to live in Santa Rosa (i think) - so everything is cool for the moment. :) -brendan- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 19:10:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA11887; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA11881; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg133-018.ricochet.net [204.179.133.18]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA26262 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:10:10 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961007020838.006adf60@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 19:08:38 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: why i missed charity! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- so as to preclude any further harassment for not showing up at charity (there has been much!) let me admit my stupidity publicly: I LOST MY FUCKING TICKETS AND HADN'T THE MONEY TO BUY MORE!!!! so, i went home, cried, listened to some techno myself, and went to sleep. it sounds like people had a blast, and i'm sorry that i missed you all! so, i shall try to see ya'll later! love- matt matthew d. p. k. lanier professional hugger and empath mdpkl@best.com 415-752-3218 _______ / \ / o o \ | ^ | | | ___ \ \_/ / ___ __(___\ \__ __/ /___)__ (______ \________\ /_________/ ______) (_______ ____________________ _______) (______ / \ ______) (_____/ \_____) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 19:35:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA13500; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA13494; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA00342 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trose@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA15564 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:34:08 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Anthony Rose To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: CCC was da bomb! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk all I can say is wow! since I used to live in cz (where the party was) it was really strange to come in a nd be a guest. I couldnt even get to the roof to see the view:-( oh well, I have never seen cz as decked out as it was last night, the people from CCC did a terrific job with the lighting and turning a kitchen/living room into a totally new space. One hightlight for me was before gil came on the drum circle in the main room and the didgeredoo...that was bad! I never saw someone play a didgeredoo with a microphone and a mixer before...and watching gil mix with dat! what a trip! Also, This is the first time that dancing with drummers in the background wasnt annoying, somehow it mixes in really well with trance... ps. One big Hello to Mike Migurski who I finally met in person! * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* Tony Rose UC Berkeley CS http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~trose ************** ******* ***** *** ** * * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 20:53:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA18909; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 20:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saclink3.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA18892; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 20:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by saclink3.csus.edu (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA003120372; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 20:52:53 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 20:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: CCC Party was ON!!! To: Jason Lucas Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199610062240.PAA20960@aimnet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I want to extend a phat THANK YOU to Raven for inviting me to the CCC party > last night. I never met her there, maybe next time. I posted this question I'm about to ask in a private message to someone, but would like to ask it to sfraves as well: Don't you have to know someone from CCC to be able to go to their parties? This is the first time any of their parties have been talked about on a public mailing list, so I'm wondering if they are staying as underground. I attened their camp at Burning Man and I ***LOVED*** it and would love to go to their parties once I move to SF, but alas, if I don't know the right people to get in, I guess I'm SOL. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated; thank you. love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 21:03:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA19589; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greece.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA19584; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.34.147.186] (Cust58.Max14.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.34.147.186]) by greece.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25970 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:03:28 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin Woffington) Subject: Friday: Not Charity but Pacific. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all, Sorry I posted earlier about going to Charity but I ended up at the Pacific party instead and I had a GReAT time!! I heard that Charity was at Acme, which isn't a spectacular venue. I would have gone if my sister didn't have an extra tix for me. This party was near Santa cruz in a very spiritual place in the woods. It seemed like a dance studio with the wood floors. Sheets, decor, black lighting, and a disco ball and of course great musak. Everyone was friendly and having a great time. I met many new friends and some old ones. No listers ('cept ethan)? anyone else go? The music was mellow in the main room (s. Murry?) till Ethan came up and got quite a few souls shakin' including myself. J. Howard came up with some great trippy and trancy tracks. I missed Galen. I spent some time in the ambient room-more than time than I usually do. and I heard some great, relaxing but fluid shit, that kept me interested but not asleep. Know what I mean? I'm not sure i do ...n w ways. It was quite an older crowd which was a refreshing change except that it was the first time I felt young at a party. I got over that with the help of some hardcore dancing and some conversation.. I love sf and I miss the scene. I hope I get more chances to drive up and party again, however I think the next party I might be able to make will be the FTT Anniversery party. PLUR austin PS I'll probably unsub from this list to concentrate on my school and come back every once i a while. bye :( Austin Woffington Exodus@earthlink.com _@_/` ~\_e_/~ _G/ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ ~/ }} (*) < =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Oct 6 23:29:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA29019; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 23:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA28998; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 23:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01789; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 23:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.249] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24816; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:53:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199610060255.TAA10723@rgate.metricom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:18:39 -0700 To: deeje cooley , "SFRaves" From: Wayne Correia Subject: Re: sat. night? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 8:01 PM -0700 10/5/96, deeje cooley wrote: >Hi all, > >If there's anyone still online tonight... any suggestions for raves? I >see so many on the calendar! :-) > >deeje > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >deeje cooley >Journeyman Software >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marcy and I are going to the CCC part tonite. It's at Casa Zimbabwe in Berkeley... Saturday, October 5th - _The CCC Goes East!_ All night psychedelic trance. Goa Gil, Craig, Neal. proceeds will help pay back our Burning Man debt 415.487.7817 ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia +1.415.826.6000 FAX +1.415.826.6100 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 00:45:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA04386; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 00:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id AAA04379; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 00:45:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id GAA24156; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 06:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Playscool@aol.com X-Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA13353; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 09:27:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 09:27:25 -0400 Message-ID: <961006092724_326501612@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: crunch@well.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, socal-raves@ucsd.edu, sd-raves@party.net Subject: Re: socal-raves@UCSD.EDU, sd-raves@party.net ReSent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 00:45:28 -0700 (PDT) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk First off I would like to say that I dont want to get into an argument over your report of Playscool but I must respond to you review of Playscool. First. You e-mailed e saying you write reviews of raves for your page an that if iyou were tolet you have a 2 VIP passses you were more inclined to write a positive review of my club. That is extortion. I had a VIP list and that was a halof price list. I take full responsibilyt for forgetting to tell you that it wuold be half price but it was not in ill intetntion . I can show you a copy of my guest list which shows two people at $10.00 each. IF the sports arena employee allowed one that is them not me. Secondly, For you to say that I have numerously lied to people about the guset list is a lie. First lets look at the guest list issue. How come a promoter must always let everyone in free. I take the attitude I'll work for free but the D. J. wont so I must get some money to cover my costs. At the arena every time the turnstile turns I give teh sports arena $10,00 weather it is a free or paid ticket. Myself and I know many other promoters risk enething wee have to put together a party. Everyone weants in for free. I am the only promoter who can proudly say that in ten yearrs of promonting I have only been shut down twice, once in 1987 and the other 1992 Apocolypse 2 and I refunded everyones money. NO other promoter can say that they did that. I have no problem with you critisizing the event but Please understand. D.J.;s insurance bands all cost money. They have to be paid. If people really supported the scen they would come up with some money to pay for this talent. If you are to review this scene it should not matter weather you get in free or not. That doesnt change the quality of the show. If I sound bitter I am sorry but one of the reasons I am getting out of promoting is I cant afford to risk everthing I have and then have everyone expec to get in for free so they can be happy. Again I apologize for any inconvience but if you don't feel that 21 D.J.'s 7 bands, a fully permited legal, insured locatin was not worth ten dollars that i didn't see a dime of then maybe you should reevaulate who has worked hard to keep this scen afloat and how it got towhere it is. Not by people getting in free but by people supporting the scen so it could expand.really s From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 03:23:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id DAA19581; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 03:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ferret.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id DAA19574; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 03:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 207.171.196.78 [207.171.196.78] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 0.56 #2) id E0vACqL-000603-00; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 03:23:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3258799E.6746@slip.net> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 03:31:42 +0000 From: Super Bobby Reply-To: gostribe@slip.net Organization: ghostribe productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 2nd Chakra References: <3345290.ensmtp@sfbayguardian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, This is my first time writing and I have alot to say but sometimes you know you think about something so much that when the time comes you can't seem to get it all out.So here goes my try. First of all I ended up on this keyboard on this night after I stumbled onto some mail while working on my next flyer. I try to work with many people and give everything a chance without being judgemental. I find it hard to point my finger at something and call it bad without getting near it first and putting my best effort forward to make things positive and enlightning. ERMODA wrote: > > The Global Rhythm Movement is here in full force. After producing "Megga Buzz > One" with Feel Good Entertainment, we are now seeking any spirited individuals > to help out with Nexus' "2nd Chakra" on Nov. 9. We intend to use theatrical > props, turning the dancefloor into a play stage. Direct interaction is our > focus for this party. Your creative participation will be much appreciated. > please email us privately. :) It seems that the Global Rythem Movement, a group I have helping me try to keep things more organized, also works with alot of people. They have inadvertentley made it seem as though the people from Feelgood entertainment and nexus are one in the same. There could be nothing further from the truth. Our two events are not the same and are not associated with each other. If you have had the chance to come to one of our gatherings you know we give all of our selves up to it and really try our best to give everything we have to make new and creative things happen that will benifit not just our scene but all people. I,m sure we will make some mistakes and I know that we already have learned from many, but before you make the mistake of being judgemental come and see what we are all about. If you find things you don't like give us advice not isolation. If you have any comments please feel free to send them. Our web page should be up soon. Well before I fall asleep I guess I'll say goodbye. Jeff (nexus) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 08:21:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA10654; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA10642; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA20622; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:21:37 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199610071521.IAA20622@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: How to CCC To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:21:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] How To CCC - real short review of Sat. night's CCC/Goa Gil birthday event, plus some comments about access to CCC events Sat. Goa Gil Birthday Party: Setting: Very dormlike, in a dorm/co-op called Casa Zimbabwe. Lots of colorful dayglo hangings with themes involving Hinduism, mandalas, energies, chakras, and aliens. Upstairs was hard dance, downstairs was chill & old pop music, courtyard with vendors of jewelry, hand-blown pipes, facepainting ( later a mini-tank of nitrous in a backpack ). Crowd: CCC vets who knew how to behave during the long ( 1/2 to maybe 1 hour ) ritual section before the drumming ( there was a silent period of meditation right around 11:30PM, so if you payed your way in at that point and just hung around downstairs, there wasn't any music or speechifying ). Non-core CCC folks who go to CCC events but may not have expected the extended nature of the opening ritual. Folks who were probably at their first CCC event or maybe even one of their first raves - participated in the ritual with respect. Atheists - went downstairs and hung out in the chill room or the courtyard until the drumming started. Ritual: If I was in a better position for sitting on the floor, I would have maybe gotten into it more. The extended meditation at the end of the ritual was hard on myself, as I had to reach backward to hold the hand of the person to my right, putting a twist on my body tha wasn't working in the long haul. Other parts of the ritual involved the visualization of energies without and within oneself, breathing, stretching. Sage was burned. Music: Great! I liked the drumming portion right after the ritual opening. Then Goa Gil started in nice and easy , building up to full up trance thumpa-thump. Drummers on the side added an organic element, sometimes in conflict with the DJ over dramatic silences. Crowd Density: Oof! Right at the start of the trance music, too packed on main floor. Got a little better later, as folks left to cool off. Courtyard was full of folks. Summary: Good! Attending CCC events - This was the first I heard of this event : Forwarded message: > From: RavenLaFay@aol.com > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:30:26 -0400 > To: sfraves@hyperreal.com > Subject: goa/psychedelic trance > > Hello people=) > Anyone interested in coming to a full-on goa trance party this Saturday > night?? If so then please post me privately and I'll tell you the details. > Love and light > ***Raven*** I did, and was then informed that it was a CCC event with a Goa Gil birthday included. I was asked to keep it not post it to SFRaves and to generally keep it quiet. Later ( as I understand it from 2nd hand information ), some folks in CCC decided to make it more publicized to help fill up the venue. It was packed, so I guess they were successful! ( left because of personal atigue and the density of the dancefloor ). So, I guess we could keep an eye out for more "goa/psychedelic trance" postings, which may be CCC events. Or, folks in CCC might be moving to going towards greater publicity. Just my opinons - Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 08:23:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA10782; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saclink2.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA10773; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by saclink2.csus.edu (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA178231814; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:23:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: CCC was da bomb! To: Paul Anthony Rose Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > the main room and the didgeredoo...that was bad! I never saw someone play > a didgeredoo with a microphone and a mixer before... Sounds incredible! > and watching gil mix with dat! THE Goa Gil???!!?!?!?!? Holy shit, I've wanted to see him for the longest time! boo hoo, boo hoo. :( How much was it to get in? I'm just curious... love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 09:29:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA17182; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA17168; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.humboldt.edu by axe.humboldt.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #17164) id <0DYWZ4P0100A1F@axe.humboldt.edu>; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Klassen Subject: Re: FWD>FW- Save PBS (fwd) In-reply-to: To: beat and ravish eaters Cc: steve , sd-raves@party.net, hsu-rs105-3@redwood.humboldt.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm so sorry the PBS forward continues to appear on these lists. I have received a couple messages admonishing me for posting it in the first place, and I do not wish to aggravate these people any further.If you decide to forward it, please remember to change all of the addresses it gets forwarded to. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 09:31:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA17389; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA17378; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.106.63.241] (mac8100.zone.org [199.106.63.241]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA01930; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610071631.JAA01930@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:28:01 -0800 To: "Rusty H. Hodge" From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: some thoughts on aging Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I'm 34 and I go raving every month or two. I'd go more if it were easy to >go for just a couple of hours. This is about the only thing that makes me >feel old! Someone told me that I was the OLDEST SoCal raver, but I'm NOT the oldest SFRaver. Will Penna got me beat by quite a few years, but at 53, I'm still going strong. Just ask any SFRaver... :-) Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 09:32:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA17468; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA17453; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.106.63.241] (mac8100.zone.org [199.106.63.241]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA01976; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610071631.JAA01976@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:28:12 -0800 To: Amy R Starkey From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: CCC Party was ON!!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> I want to extend a phat THANK YOU to Raven for inviting me to the CCC party >> last night. I never met her there, maybe next time. > >I posted this question I'm about to ask in a private message to someone, >but would like to ask it to sfraves as well: Don't you have to know >someone from CCC to be able to go to their parties? This is the first >time any of their parties have been talked about on a public mailing >list, so I'm wondering if they are staying as underground. CCC parties have ALWAYS been totally underground, but they are talked about AFTER they occur. YOu're right, you DO have to know someone to get into it.... BY the way, did Goa Gil spin? I heard his birthday is coming up... Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 09:53:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA19395; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA19376; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.humboldt.edu by axe.humboldt.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #17164) id <0DYX08P0100DOT@axe.humboldt.edu> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Klassen Subject: Beautiful weekend To: beat and ravish eaters Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This weekend I had the chance to go on a retreat with Humboldt State to the City of 10,000 Buddhas monastery in Talmadge, which is about 2 hrs north of SF (next to Ukiah). The day started at 3:30 am with morning recitation and meditation, then mmmmmmm good vegetarian all you can eat Chinese food oh it was so good. Then we did more meditation, tai chi, ceremonies, ceremonies, ceremonies, and rituals, and chanting and eating of wonderful food with kind kind people, the day ending at 10:30 at night. The nuns (not monks because men and women do not interact) were always there to answer any of my questions, and went out of their way to see that we were able to follow what was happening. They were truly the most kind, sincere people I have ever met, and one of the most harmonious comunities.A great way to learn about the Mahayana school. They operate on donations and welcome visitors at any time and love for people to come learn about the Dharma. Beautiful!! drop me a note if you want more info... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 09:56:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA19790; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA19781; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id MAA23558; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:56:18 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11397; Mon, 7 Oct 96 09:56:06 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 259362F0; Mon, 7 Oct 96 09:56:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:53:54 -0700 Message-Id: <259362F0.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Charity\\my excuse for not attending.doc To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In proper review of the events that led to my non-attendance to Charity, I have come to the following conclusions: -'Sliders' is a very interesting show. -'The X Files' proved to be even better. -Just because I unplugged my tv for 1 year and now I have turned it back on doesn't mean I should spend the next year making up for lost tv time. -One may find great treasures in a dj that is moving to England's lost record collection. -The **** ******** is near the ******* ****** (oh, why didn't they tell me?) Record of Events After watching 'Sliders' and 'The X Files', which were both very interesting, i took shuttlecraft 3 through the warp 101 tube toward starbase 22 (in the moonpup system) where i picked up a gem sony receiver and then spent the next hour filing through records trying to find that one song (you know, that one song that...if i had it...). Actually I found about 10 of them. Wow, those are 10 good records. Wow, those are 10 good records. Wow-no, you're not reading the same line over, but my excitement about the records went up incramentally by the minute that I owned them. I then left and stopped for late night food. Why? Why not. Then F8 was closed when I ddropped by. A friendly dead head told me that it was at the **** ********* at *** *** ******. So I drove down there and missed the intersection 4 or 5 times and with all the one-way streets, I got extremely frustrated. Scanners and navigational sensors were off-line because of the extreme electrical interference in the downtown section. Shuttlecraft 3's clutch pedal began acting up, causing the gears to grind incessantly. This proved to be quite annoying, however, since there were no patrol scouts within visual range I decided to set down for the time being. I met with 3 shape shifters who told me that there were too many Klingons in there drinking the blood wine. Actually they were going to reenter the location when Gawron returned. Since I had to be in the Arboretum to attend the Farmer's Market the next morning at 0700, i returned to shuttlecraft 3 and sped at warp speed back toward the grounded Crazy Horse, where i listend to my new found finds on my new found receiver unit. Definitely next time. deepfog From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 10:01:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA20278; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA20271; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA11887 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:00:05 -0700 Received: (kcroy@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA15252 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:59:54 -0700 From: kcroy Message-Id: <199610071659.JAA15252@shellx.best.com> Subject: Neal To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:59:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk where can I catch neal spin? saw him this weekend, and need some more takecare -kcroy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 10:11:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA21174; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA21165; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA05476; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:10:50 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199610071710.KAA05476@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: CCC calendar post & admission To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sac41673@saclink.csus.edu, crunch@well.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves ] Here was the SFR calendar listing for the SAt. CCC event: Saturday, October 5th - _The CCC Goes East!_ All night psychedelic trance. Goa Gil, Craig, Neal. proceeds will help pay back our Burning Man debt 415.487.7817 No mention of "suggested donation" amount, but it was $5 at the door. The evening started out as an "ins and outs OK" , but so much people showed up, it turned into a "No ins or outs" event by 12:30AM. Of course, folks were hanging around outside, waiting for their chance pay their way in, or waiting for their friends who were lucky enough to get in before the new door policy came into effect. I don't know what the crowd situation was after I left ( 12:45AM ), maybe they went back to letting ins and outs when the crowd thinned out. I remember thinking as I left that maybe a map point would have been a good idea, except this was no isolated warehouse . There would have been enough publicity from the residents of Casa Zimbabwe itself, much less the folks who heard about it from the CCC folks and the SFRaves calendar listing. Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 10:42:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA24287; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA24281; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA21501 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:37:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lowe To: SF-Raver Family Subject: Sunset, sleep, sunrise! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hey you all... In blatant disregard for the laws governing the maximum bandwidth consumable by a given individual within such a short span of time, I'm posting a review of Sunset... my first Sunset... I'd never been before, because I really hate begging for rides, but Pao offered me a lift at Organic, so how could I refuse? (Thanks Pao!!!!) Anyway, it was a lovely warm day, tons of tired smiley faces... I was really impressed with the number of people who had been to 3 or 4 or more (!!!) parties over the weekend. Turned out to be "One of those Weekends" for a lot of people! The sunset was kind of anticlimactic (sp?), but very pretty in a calm, non-dramatic way. The music was housey again, and again I danced only a little. Enough to regret the next day, though - especially after Charity. So what transpired at Sunset... I was convinced that I made a huge error in not going to CCC. The people who attended it were seriously glowing. Oh well! Next time. I finally figured out who Ariel is (hey!) I ate more than my share of Melanie's strawberries (*blush*... i couldn't help myself :) I sorted out getting Bert (my gingham bunny) back from San Jose. But truly, the highlight of my evening (and perhaps my weekend) came when the DJ who spun the long, beautiful drum&bass set upstairs at Charity (can't remember his name!!!) gave me the most enormous compliment. He told me that my dancing was the reason he spun for so long! Left me speechless. That really, really compounded the idea that there is feedback between the DJ and the crowd. If his music hadn't been so beautiful, I wouldn't have danced as hard, and as it turns out I was also instrumental in making his music beautful. Happiness!!! Joy!!! Sleep was excellent. As some of you know, I have to get up really, really early for work. The one real bonus of this (it's hard to be full of positivity at 5:15am, okay?) is that on clear days, I get to see the sunrise. And this morning was just gorgeous. The sky skipped through so many shades of pre-dawn grey, yellow, orange, and somehow magically faded into a beautiful clear blue. A very moving sunrise. I hope you all have wonderful days! : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : : "I will not play at tug o' war. / I'd rather play at hug o' war. : : Where everyone hugs / Instead of tugs. / Where everyone giggles : : And rolls on the rug, / Where everyone kisses, : : And everyone grins, / And everyone cuddles, / And everyone wins." : : -Shel Silverstein, "Hug 'O War" : :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMlk/2qD2AoV67volAQFLYwf9GS/r0nXY5/7y5tB22N70ALAckA0ELHfI DkeGC6JSklcQCrcp1IhDdu3CmEXJc0CA7C4F64AvT7abNaGJOvT43JOYLTTt5oct Xbn79bAEHQ+eMyFzM3NZJLHn89jxvxxYyS2QUuTX67EPY1dIOIKhMgcAEtk55yKc JmunIYk7mWri69ccAL5zgCNin06foMcnJM2qBIu1CbLXuvfqZIEg+dX2jzFJGht+ NNT3aR9yREun224UEXafFy9bHEG7k9MvWBXQabA8USgDtMxh1lt1nBcpXSpq0ZIr dxO6YKnYBGkXP72a6A/YbXfrBcZ4pbZZv6KJzSULJ2MXKLMCcwTxXg== =psqx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 10:51:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA25075; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gcwf.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA25067; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SOCAL-Message_Server by gcwf.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 10:51:44 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 10:54:13 -0700 From: Ariel Stallings To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Ariel's Charity Review Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Charity! FUCK! My first and foremost comment is TOO MANY PEOPLE! There were certain points during the night when I just felt assaulted...I was standing in lines of shoving people to get to doorways to get into a hallway so I could spend 10 minutes squeezing between people so that I could get into a room that was too hot and too crowded to dance in! AARGH! But, capacity over-filling aside, the party was pretty phat! Music was AMAZING on all floors, and although I spent most of my time downstairs hardstepping, I was all over the place...The trance in the main room was pretty damn good...Dutch, in particular just RIPPED the place apart. Who was it last week who was talking about boiling frogs? Um, HELLO? I have never felt more like a boiling frog then when Dutch was pounding out semi-evil trance, punching the air, and there I was with probably 400 other people in the room dancing to this music in one of the hottest, wettest environments I've ever been in. We were boiling frogs! We were stuck in a Floridian workcamp! It was Hades! I didn't know whether I was having the best time of my life or whether I was more miserable than I'd ever been...Um, maybe the whole situation would have been different had I been sober, but as it was, I just couldn't quite cope. So, I wandered upstairs. Granted, it took me 20 minutes to get there (um, why do people always insist on talking in crowded stairwells?) but the jungle was GREAT! When I was there, DJ NICE was spinning, and it was truly inspired! I *like* jungle, but that man made me love it...it seemed much more melodic than usual, easier for me to dance to...Again, the room was WAY too crowded. I heard that the party was set for a max of 800, but that Xfiles and Pacific overfilled and so Acme's seams were stretched to 1200...is this true? Finally, after what seemed like a LIFETIME (seriously, in my altered-state, that party took on EPIC proportions! I felt like I had lived in acme for 3 days...and it was only 3:45!) I made my way downstairs, and was SO PLEASED! The people downstairs weren't just going off, they were going off with STYLE! There was a semi-circle formed, but it was open to intepretation and SO much fun! The music was just GREAT GREAT GREAT! Can anybody tell me who the dj with the blue facepaint and shoulder-length brown hair was? His blue-face kind of scared me but the music??? DAMN!! Although, as good as he was, I would have to say that DJ Cloud is my new favorite DJ. By the time he started spinning I was EXHAUSTED. I'd been hardstepping for hours and my legs were starting to shake from fatigue. But somehow DJ Cloud (aka Saben? I think that's it) kept my shit going and going and going and going...I swear, I reached a point of purpetual motion where every last part of my body was moving in sync to the music...YAY! IT WAS SO EXHILARATING! (er, sp?) Although, by the time Timothy and I finally left I was SO SO SO ready to get OUT of Acme! The party rocked, but it could have been so much more in a larger, cleaner, less over-used space. Oh, and hello to everyone who I saw there...names are escaping me (I remember Dhiren and David...and other faces but not names...) but hello anyway! See you all next weekend! Ariel From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 11:25:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA28567; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alumnae.caltech.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA28558; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lenchang@localhost) by alumnae.caltech.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA25224; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:23:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chinley L. Chang" Message-Id: <199610071823.LAA25224@alumnae.caltech.edu> Subject: Re: Ariel's Charity Review To: ASTALLINGS@gcwf.com (Ariel Stallings) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Ariel Stallings" at Oct 7, 96 10:54:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Finally, after what seemed like a LIFETIME (seriously, in my > altered-state, that party took on EPIC proportions! I felt like I > had lived in acme for 3 days...and it was only 3:45!) I made my way > downstairs, and was SO PLEASED! The people downstairs weren't just > going off, they were going off with STYLE! There was a semi-circle > formed, but it was open to intepretation and SO much fun! The music > was just GREAT GREAT GREAT! Can anybody tell me who the dj with the > blue facepaint and shoulder-length brown hair was? His blue-face kind > of scared me but the music??? DAMN!! If I was keeping track of things right, the DJ with the facepaint was Stony (sp?) Someone please correct me if I'm wrong though! Smiles, Chin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 11:26:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA28697; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trix.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA28690; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jwiley@localhost) by trix.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27697 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:26:06 -0700 From: Jay Wiley Message-Id: <199610071826.LAA27697@trix.cisco.com> Subject: Charity To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:26:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, what can I say. It was great! While I know it was hot and crowded most of the night, it never really bothered me. I ws in such a good mood I just accepted the heat and the press of bodies trying to move every which way. Lots of water and smiling faces (amoung other things :) kept me going from when I got there at around 11:00pm till the music stopped in the morning. Thanks to all the people that put effort into the party. That was the best I personnally have ever seen the ACME look. j From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 11:44:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA00532; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trix.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA00525; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jwiley@localhost) by trix.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28189 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:44:04 -0700 From: Jay Wiley Message-Id: <199610071844.LAA28189@trix.cisco.com> Subject: NRR lunch anyone? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:44:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Seeing how everyone I usually eat lunch with here at work is either on vacation or telecommuting today, I figured I'd see if anyone was interested in meeting somewhere for lunch. Kind of short notice but..... Anyway, I work right by Great America. I can drive 15-20min if anyone is interested. Give me a call 408-267-1853. :) j need to spend time with people rather than computers after such a fun weekend. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 11:45:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA00657; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trix.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA00650; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jwiley@localhost) by trix.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28233 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:45:24 -0700 From: Jay Wiley Message-Id: <199610071845.LAA28233@trix.cisco.com> Subject: oh yeah To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:45:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'll wait around until 12:30 or so and then I'm going to eat. j From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 12:05:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA02526; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trix.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA02519; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jwiley@localhost) by trix.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA28768 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:05:07 -0700 From: Jay Wiley Message-Id: <199610071905.MAA28768@trix.cisco.com> Subject: oh yeah/Confused?? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:05:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wondering what this is about? Well I had composed a little message asking if anyone around the Great America area was interested in going to lunch. And it appears to have become lost somewhere between me typing it and arriving in all your in-boxes. So if your interested give me a call 408-527-1058. I can drive 15-20min to meet somewhere. :) j Watch my other message magically appear now. > > I'll wait around until 12:30 or so and then I'm going to eat. > > j > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 12:11:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA03099; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA03093; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id MAA00681; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:07:49 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:07:45 -0800 To: Ariel Stallings , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Ariel's Charity Review Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:54 AM -0700 10/7/96, Ariel Stallings wrote: >Charity! FUCK! My first and foremost comment is TOO MANY PEOPLE! >There were certain points during the night when I just felt >assaulted...I was standing in lines of shoving people to get to >doorways to get into a hallway so I could spend 10 minutes squeezing >between people so that I could get into a room that was too hot and >too crowded to dance in! AARGH! That's Amce. It sucks in that way, but it's always sucked in that way. > >But, capacity over-filling aside, the party was pretty phat! Music >was AMAZING on all floors, and although I spent most of my time I have to agree, the music rocked in all three rooms all night! >there I was with probably 400 other people in the room dancing to No, not that many in that room... >dance to...Again, the room was WAY too crowded. I heard that the >party was set for a max of 800, but that Xfiles and Pacific >overfilled and so Acme's seams were stretched to 1200...is this true? No fucking way! Try, like 700 for the whole party (est.). 1200 people in that space would burst the seams, not that they haven't been stretched already. I agree that about 500 people is the max for that place with all rooms open. I also feel the promoters need to think about air flow better. I walked into the mushroom room, and I swear there were mushrooms ready to sprout from the dripping walls. I was, quite literally, a sauna in there. I slid a piece of plywood aside from the cooler open space behind the room, and then got some people to pull a banner up that was seperating the main room with the mushroom room and the air cleared very quickly. Unfortunately, the banner that was then covered was one that they had been working on all night up to the beginning of the party. Later I saw it was down again, most likely at the insistence of the artist. Fans, airflow, traffic flow (telling people politely that the stairwell is a BAD place to be), etc. make things much smoother there. But really, even with all that in place, Acme was not built as a club, and it shows. >formed, but it was open to intepretation and SO much fun! The music >was just GREAT GREAT GREAT! Can anybody tell me who the dj with the >blue facepaint and shoulder-length brown hair was? His blue-face kind >of scared me but the music??? DAMN!! Although, as good as he was, I Chin stands corrected...It was Jake. And it DID rock! Imagine, Shoam [sp] trading off really fat drum&Bass with [?] up stairs, Dutch pounding the hot main floor, and Jake making the basement writhe with dope break-beat. But it was frustrating at times getting between the scenes. The set-up upstairs was beautiful (period) but more for an ambient setting, people wanted to dance to the all-night jungle, so that made it a bit crowded. The sky-holes kept the upstairs reasonably mild. Tone P.S. >Acme! The party rocked, but it could have been so much more in a >larger, cleaner, less over-used space. Baby, you find that space! =) You make it seem as if the promoters have a choice of spaces but elect Acme due to, what, nostalgia? Promoter #1: "You know, this party is going to be phat! And I woulda had it in that stylin' big, dope, clean, rarely used place over on Indiana, but you know, I just have so many memories at Acme, I think I'll have the party there instead." Friend of Promoter #1: "You want another hit of this crack?" =) I'm glad you had fun Ariel, despite the heat and crowds... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 12:15:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA03418; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA03399; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA29489; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:14:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:14:52 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199610071914.MAA29489@netcom17.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: what a weekend! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk (Charity, CCC, Sunset) So many cool things happening last weekend, that I don't know where to start. But perhaps I'll start from Friday morning: I was walking towards my office from the parking structure, and as I'm doing so, I hear the magical sound of a 303 in the distance. Cool, I thought, what a way to start off my day: acid riffs at Oracle! But as I approached the 400 building, I realized that the happy chirping off in the distance was actually the chirping of a bunch of birds (!) - perhaps my brain really is just tweaked from too much techno :) Friday night was spent at Charity, which was really cool, but had an Acme factor of about 9.0. There were soooo many people there that it was impossible to walk (I can't count how many times I was trapped upstairs, sandwiched between people trying to walk). And from the moment I walked in, I was dripping with sweat before even dancing a step. I was surprised to not see any fans, considering the turnout. But really that was my only complaint :) Charity rocked! I actually spent most of my time in the breakbeat room upstairs. At first, there wasn't enough room to dance (very frustrating when listening to jungle!), but after the crowd thinned out a bit, there were a bunch of us getting *down* to some serious jungle! Rich shaked my body with jungle fever (I suspect he was at Buggin' Out, too), and you know how much I loooove jungle (we won't go into details!) :) But Rich is probably one of the best jungle DJ's I've heard around here. Lots of fun for the whole family :) Ernie Deaks was, of course, fucking amazing. Every time he spins, he blows my mind, rocks my world, shakes my booty, etc. That guy has talent! And such energy: he just gets down and dances the whole time behind the tables during his set. He has such energy, and he's so into the music that he plays. I would go anywhere to see him spin, even MegaGangstaSoopa-Bomb Party XVII or whatever. I would occasionally check out the downstairs, but for the most part, the music down there wasn't my cup of tea. I heard some music that was too housy for my taste. I caught some of Dutch's set, but after Deaks, my ass had been kicked so hard that it was time to head back upstairs. As cool as Dutch may be, I knew I had an entire night of psychedelic trance waiting for me in Berkeley the next night, so I didn't feel like I missed anything. So I made my way upstairs, and spent almost the rest the night grooving to some funky trip-hop. That Benji guy is one rad mixologist; any DJ that can throw down Axel F (you know, the one from Beverly Hills Cop), and mix it in to a trip-hop set... damn! I never remembered Axel F to be such a good track :) He played such a wide variety of breakbeat; I hope to see him again sometime. I spent the last hour of the night pounding myself to some serious techno downstairs, in keeping with my "dance until they have to scrape me off the dancefloor" policy :) The next night, we went to Mike's house to hear Goa Gil :) Seriously, the CCC party was at Mike's co-op in Berkeley! What could be better? CCC really throws some great parties. Last time I saw them was at Burning Man. This was the experience that I've been looking for: very spiritual, very focused on music and dancing. The fruit-stand factor was very low that night (okay, raves aren't meat markets, but they definitely are fruit-stands), and thus there was very little piling and cuddling 'n stuff. The dance floor was so packed, and everyone was just going off! But then, how could you not to Goa? The music is so powerful and so intense. The night began with a meditation circle and some relaxation exercises. My body was rather happy to be loose again, especially after dancing the night before. The meditation quickly transitioned into a drum circle, led by Goa Gil. Goa Gil was very interesting. I've never seen a DJ using DAT's before, but I found it interesting how he was able to create a continuous stream of sound and smooth transitions without having to mix or beat-match. The music was possibly the most intense I've ever heard (actually, the BM CCC parties were just as intense). There were so many black lights, day glow banners, day glow clothing and body paint! I have a permanent glow in the back of my retina. I had such a wonderful time at CCC. Dancing to Goa is such a spiritual and peaceful experience for me - as I listen to it, my mind becomes so settled and my body becomes so loose. And then movements and thoughts begin flow through me, unobstructed. About 4pm, I was simply too tired to take it any more, especially after the previous night of partying (the best compliment came from Randy at the CCC party when he told me, "I love watching you punish yourself." Right on!). So I went to Mike's room and slept for a little while. When I woke up, it was the next day (I guess), and we (me, Brendan, Mike, Wayne, Marcie, and others) spent the day being sticky from sweat (sorry I soaked two of your shirts, Mike!) and listening to Gabber. There were defintely some "Hardcore Vibes" in Mike's room ;) I was actually feeling crazy enough to go to Sunset that day; of course, not until I did my laundry first. I spent very little time dancing, but it was a nice chill thing to do to ease myself out of the phrenetic phun of the weekend... Surprised I didn't see Wayne and Marcie again! Anyway, I'm not dead yet, so see you all at Mad tonight!!! love and sweat, Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com saturn5@cyborganic.net | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 12:18:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA03745; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from envirolink.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA03735; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manatee.envirolink.org by envirolink.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA20121; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:09:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199610071909.PAA20121@envirolink.org> Date: Mon Oct 7 15:09:46 1996 X-Mailer: Panda-2.0e From: Nicko Demeter Reply-To: ndemeter@envirolink.org To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR: Hello post Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi there, I desided to write this now because I'll just get distracted again if I put it off. Anyways, hi my name is Nicko and I moved here from Chicago. I know you guys might be jealous of Chicago's scene but trust me, up there they are jealous of your weather. ;) Anyways, I'm here in the nice and lovely city of Sacramento and just two nights ago I was aproached as I was leaving Faces and asked if I knew where the rave party was. I saw that as a sign of many nights oif partying in the crazy west side. Now on with the issue at hand. I have nobody. No, really. I know no one here that raves. And of course I will not get up and go wild goose chase at SF without another person with me. So if you live in Sacramento, hey drop me a line. I am also trying to put a piece together about raves and why they are illegal. (because I like to get busted all the damn time). So since I am the Features editor of my school's newspaper (ARC) I am trying to get photo's and reviews of a party that I would ppreferably like to be there. Now the catch 22 is that I would have to be with some of you (Sac area people that are willing to look at me sitting with a recorder humming) for the whole day. I want my article to have EVERYTHING in a day and night of a party. I even want to take pics while you are getting ready etc. You know I never had the chance to watch that Leesa show but from what I hear it was class A potato like everything else in the media about raves. I'm sick of that shit quite frankly and finally now I have some power to do something and do it right. So let me know people. Private email would be fine or just post something to the list. Peace. --- -------------- Nicko J. Demeter NewMedia Vision LAN Administrator Webmaster Email: ndemeter@envirolink.org URL: http://www2.uic.edu/~ndemet1 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 12:38:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA05882; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA05875; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA03797; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:37:43 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:37:43 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199610071937.MAA03797@netcom17.netcom.com> To: nathan.b.beckord@ArthurAndersen.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: <9610052245.AA4648@notes2.compuserve.com> (nathan.b.beckord@ArthurAndersen.com) Subject: Re: Charity review, some thoughts on aging Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > From: "nathan.b.beckord" > Date: 5 Oct 96 15:42:12 > > Question: Upon leaving, the only complaint of the group that I brought to this > was that they felt "old", which sounds funny because most of them are 23 (I'm > 24), and 24 sure as hell doesn't feel old. HOWEVER, I do sorta know how they > feel as it seems that alot of the smaller parties either are targeted towards > or seem to attract the "raver kids", who are all in high school or just out, > and who all seem to know each other. On the other hand , the "massives" seem to > attract a much broader range of ages and "types" of people, but massives also > sometimes lose something in the vibe. > > So, what's the answer? Is raving something you outgrow? I feel old sometimes, myself. I'm only 21, but now that my life has become so filled with my career, bills, surviving, etc., that I feel it's hard to relate to some people who are even 2 or 3 years younger. However, the coolest thing happened a couple of weekends ago. I had rode up from San Jose with a friend, and we had some great conversation, enjoyed some Chai tea together, had some laughs, and so on. But she's only 16. 16 and in high school, no less. We are worlds apart. My life is probably more similar to her parents. During the party we're all the same age: ageless. Just free spirits floating around. Enjoying life. Being free from the stesses and obligations from the outside world. Free from politics and social convention. In effect, we are nothing but pure light and anything that we choose to bring in. Leave behind your age, and you are free. Look at Wayne, Marcie, Leslie; all so far away from high school age. And I can't even begin to count how many people at Charity work at hi-tech Silicon Valley companies. And I have met many people who I thought were high school kids that are really in there early twenties. You never know. If you really start to feel old again, just remember to grab your "bloo balloon" and keep smiling! Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com saturn5@cyborganic.net | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 12:55:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA07904; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA07886; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id MAA00357; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:54:56 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id MAA01744; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:54:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:54:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Charity/CCC Trance review (long) To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi folks! =) Well this weekend was pretty busy for me. I voluntered my efforts for Charity and had a great time!! For a first time party by the promoter it was very well done. (of course the experienced help he recieved couldn't have hurt ;) I got there late (9:00 pm) but was ready for the hordes that came pouring through the doors. There was a LOT of people there but it wasn't as hot and sticky as it was at Greg's B-Day party or at the BP house party a few months (?) back. I didn't mind the crowd so much; I generally like all the body contact from large friendly crowds Dutch was totally out of control! I swear he's not human! He is that good. Granted I only caught the first 15-20 minutes of his set, but they were probably the best mixed minutes I have ever heard. No flubs, everything prefectly blended, and no measure of the music was allowed to run too long. Tasty, tasty, tasty. So I run over to the CCC warehouse as I hear they could use my help for their party. The CCC crew vaguely knew me but made me feel welcome in their home. After talking to Sky, we realised how I could help best. I drove home thanks to the ever delightful Jess (kisses and thanks Jess!! =) and showered and changed clothes then went back out to load equipment into Jonathen's truck and drove up to Berkley. I napped on the way up so I at least had an hour or two of sleep between parties (woof!). It was really crowded on the main dance floor and a little to hot for me; I waited to about 4 or 5am for any serious dancing. I must say that the CCC crew is one of the nicest group of people to work with!! The best part for me was the meditation circle. Every time I closed my eyes (while in the circle) I started to hallucinate wildly. Really pretty mandala-like star patterns of all colours. And here I hadn't consumed any sacraments! (yet ;). I alsoenjoyed sitting and holding hands for 20 minutes! I can't remeber the last time I did almost nothing for 20 minutes. Goa Gilwas playing in the drum circle at the beggining which felt really good. Made some great connections with folks that night. The sweet moment in the morning was when Sky came up and payed me for my work. Why? Oh because I had volutered my work to CCC that night because I so fully support what they are trying to do. Being payed (especially for such an inexpensive party!) really put the finishing touches of a near perfect night. Every moment I was there felt very appropriate and I was very happy to have been part of the entire experience. Overall; A killer weekend!!!!!!!!!!!! =) =) oh yea; thanks to Steve and agent 99 for the video projector!! Peace y'all, Ran @ Dionysus Dreams -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 12:56:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA08033; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acergw3.acer.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA08026; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtplink.acer.com ([204.160.139.137]) by acergw3.acer.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17299 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.acer.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA844718425; Mon, 07 Oct 96 12:52:11 pst Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 12:52:11 pst From: "Andy Wyszkowski" Message-Id: <9609078447.AA844718425@smtplink.acer.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: How to Fail English in 30 fragments...Charity/CCC review. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>>Charity<<< Got there with newbie in tow. Ouch. Hot. Crowded. Ew... Lost newbie. Vibey. Positive. Emptier. Deaks was bombbbbbbbbb. Dutch was bombbbbbbbbb >that was Dutch right?<. (If I ever spin, I will get a five letter name that starts with D. I think I notice a pattern). Had some epic conversation. Met some beautiful souls. Hello all you people! Felt like a wet dog in the morning air. Looked like wet dog in the morning air. Probably smelled like... ahh.... whaaa! Felt almost not guilty for having so much fun after helping move the basement sound system upstairs @ 10:00am. >>>CCC<<< Got there really late, maybe 2:00ish. Met more new people. Strange blend of Berkeley students, happy ravers, and CCC people (from what I gather). Really turbulent energy when I first got there. Tried Chillum thingy...BOOM!... *thankyou* (sorry I forgot your name).. Couldn't keep up with Goa Gil. Well, I really tried for an hour or two. Wasn't impossible, it just hurt after Charity. Dug the Gaian Mind thing (totally sober, and I almost started drooling). Visuals... eik! Got totally jealous of the Jacuzzi People (people live here... where do I sign!?). Beautiful view of SF from across the bay. Spontaneous dancing with JohnK under the stars (Orion was so prominent from the patio!!!). Fuckin inspired. Amazing trip hop downstairs. Blacklight Blacklight Blacklight! Couple Giggolo ravers (apparently with corporate sponsorship from Adidas, as their logo was all over them) looked so classic with their bee'atches on the love seat, wearing their sunglasses, looking cool. They matched too... I won't start... Same planet, different worlds. I'm so glad we all love this as much as we do! The energy was there... amazing. Really diverse crowd, took a while to get used to but it WAS so worth settling into. Peace peace peace AndyW From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 13:03:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA08793; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA08786; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.97.35.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:12:45 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Joe Rice Subject: mad (bsp) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:12:45 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk tonight: 10/7 DJs: Andr=E9 Lucero Joe Rice Alex at Bahia Cabana - 1600 Market @ Franklin 18+ w/ID $2 before 11 $3 after 11 Next week: Mad's one year anniversary!! (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com= :) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" = :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" = :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen = :) (: anything like it!" = :) =20 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 13:20:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA10408; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alumnae.caltech.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA10393; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lenchang@localhost) by alumnae.caltech.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA02043; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:17:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chinley L. Chang" Message-Id: <199610072017.NAA02043@alumnae.caltech.edu> Subject: Re: Ariel's Charity Review To: tony@xinet.com (Tony Rotundo) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Tony Rotundo" at Oct 7, 96 12:07:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >If I was keeping track of things right, the DJ with the facepaint >was Stony (sp?) Someone please correct me if I'm wrong though! > >Smiles, > Chin > Chin stands corrected...It was Jake. And it DID rock! OUCH! And Chin loses yet another game of "Name the DJ." =) Thanks for the correction, Tony! Smiles, Chin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 13:21:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA10578; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA10551; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.178.41.41] ([205.178.41.41]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id NAA28845; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:21:11 -0700 X-Sender: branka@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:20:47 -0800 To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: branka@sirius.com (*B*) Subject: Re: what a weekend! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >So I made my way upstairs, and spent almost the rest the night >grooving to some funky trip-hop. That Benji guy is one rad mixologist; >any DJ that can throw down Axel F (you know, the one from Beverly >Hills Cop), and mix it in to a trip-hop set... damn! I never >remembered Axel F to be such a good track :) He played such a wide >variety of breakbeat; I hope to see him again sometime. > That was one of the best moments at Charity - trying to fall asleep on one of the mattresses that I was sharing with 5-6 other people, kind of dozing off and hearing that song and just having the hugest grin on my face - needless to say I woke up that moment and had to sit up and start dancing.... It was so unexpected and it just sounded so great :) As of Acme - yes, it was hot, and yes it was crowded, but the party was still great. For me Acme has a special place in my heart (I went to my first rave there - in February), so maybe I don't mind it as much as other people. It would have been better if there were not that many ppl there (the stairs were hell for the first part of the night). I haven't met that many people - I saw few that I knew, talked to few (people liked my fuzzy shirt - glue-gunned pom-poms (SP???) and a lot of people talked to me because of that) - what an attention - I really didn't expect that... Now, I know what to wear if I want to meet a lot of people. Organic was fun, although I had too much beer :( and was dead for the rest of the weekend. I missed Sunset again, because I was catching up on my sleep (which is not bad, considering that work will be hell for few more weeks). Hugz and hope to meet more SFRavers soon, Branka From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 14:07:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA15660; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from motgate2.mot.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA15644; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate2.mot.com (8.7.6/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id QAA16837 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:02:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pts.mot.com (pts1.pts.mot.com [145.4.3.2]) by pobox.mot.com (8.7.6/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with SMTP id QAA24973 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:06:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cae.pts.mot.com by pts.mot.com (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA23865; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:02:35 +0500 Received: from sun538.mot.com by cae.pts.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18117; Mon, 7 Oct 96 17:06:01 EDT Received: by sun538.mot.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA02580; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:58:19 -0400 From: jkronz@pts.mot.com (Jason Kronz) Message-Id: <199610072058.QAA02580@sun538.mot.com> Subject: Visiting... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:58:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey everyone! My name is Jason and I will be visiting SF this next weekend 11th-13th, with the posibility of a move to the San Jose area in the near future... Anyways, I noticed there are quite a few events going on this weekend and I'm sure I'll be going to at least one of them. I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction as far as music is concerned. I like HARD acid trance, Happy hardcore, and maybe even a little gabber. What's the main music played in the SF area? If one of these events is going to be primarily trance related could you tell me which one? Many Thanks, PLUR =jason =fl-raver ========================================================================= -Jason A Kronz || void rave(void) jkronz@pts.mot.com || { if (!alive) {return();} N9OFN || else { rave(); } Fl-raves Mailing list maintainer || } ========================================================================= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 14:19:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA16960; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA16953; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.9) id OAA05391; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610072119.OAA05391@guilder.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: Hey Moonpup Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Are you playing at the Skylinks party in Sacramento on 10/12? If so, that's cool, because we are too (RE:). See ya. Sorry to spam the list with this, but I lost Moonpups address. Rick "Let me have silence always in the centre of the shouting, that is essential. Let me have silence so that no pin may drop and not be heard, and not a whisper. Escape us for all our spouting, nor the needle scratching upon this gramophone of the circular cosmic spot. Hear me, mark me, learn me, throw the mind's ear open. Shut up the mind's eye, all will be music. What sculpture of sound cannot, what cannot as a fluid token words, that nothing else cannot." -Wyndham Lewis From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 15:22:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA23366; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass-station.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA23359; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.76.139.151] by bass-station.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:16:16 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Ethan Miller Subject: Paging Jim Cyr Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:16:16 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jim, if you're out there, please drop me a line =) thanks ethan ---------- --------------------------------------------------- ---------- ---------- ------------------( ethan miller )----------------- ---------- ---------- ----------( http://www.bass-station.com )---------- ---------- ---------- -------------( only users lose drugs )------------- ---------- ---------- --------------------------------------------------- ---------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 15:40:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA25386; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA25371; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from drenalin@localhost) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA20469; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:58:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:58:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Nelson To: "Chinley L. Chang" cc: Tony Rotundo , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Ariel's Charity Review In-Reply-To: <199610072017.NAA02043@alumnae.caltech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >If I was keeping track of things right, the DJ with the facepaint > >was Stony (sp?) Someone please correct me if I'm wrong though! > > Chin stands corrected...It was Jake. And it DID rock! > > OUCH! And Chin loses yet another game of "Name the DJ." =) > Thanks for the correction, Tony! Actually you both win the boobie prize. It's Jake (aka Jacob) aka DJ Stonie. As far as I know Jake still likes to go by dj stonie. he'll be spinning at our campout this weekend. love scott From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 15:46:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA25949; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA25943; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kelly.teleport.com (chicchan@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25389 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chicchan@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id PAA25054; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: sfraves post archives Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk is there an archive of back posts? i was down there (from portland) this weekend at Charity and accidently unsubbed before i left and missed all the posts about this weekend. thanks so much, brenda :) __ __ __ __ / \ / \ / \ / \ ****** Chicchan Lahuna ****** __________/ __\/ __\/ _\/ __\________________________________ _________/ /__/ /__/ /__/______________________________________ | / \ / \ / \ / \ \____ |/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \ o \ \_____/--< AHAU Collective (503) 237-AHAU http://www.ahau.com/~chicchan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 16:20:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA29122; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA29110; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.91.89] (mmf19.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.89]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA02249 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:20:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:17:59 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: the ccc party... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone who showed up and proved that co-ops can do more than toss around "college parties." The people really respected CZ and CCC and the vibe. ('cept for all that NO2!) Goa Gil tore my brain to shreds time and time again... Setup with the CCC people was a blast (they're so nice!) and their morning torch spinning was beautiful; sunrise was a quiet moment of reflection on the roof, before dancing like a maniac to the last couple hours of Gil's set. Sunday morning: Gil's set ended at almost 10am (!) and CCC had their shit packed up by noon... unbelievable how together these kids are! surprisingly little trash in my backyard; nice to know the no alcohol policy kept that down. A little jarring to see my dining room back to normal after such an INTENSE night. hello: flea =), hairgoop99, wayne, marcy, greg, nancy, tom, larry, andy, tony, and all the other netnerds who made it out the other night. I'm still recovering. =) smiles to all, -m. PS kicking myself in the ass for missing charity. =( 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | expanded/mirror site under construction... | | http://www.cyborganic.com/people/lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 548-3225 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 16:40:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA01232; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA01213; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kelly.teleport.com (root@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25351; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chicchan@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id QAA05488; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: michal migurski cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: the ccc party... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk how long did it take before they started letting people back in? i got there around 11:30 and they had stopped letting folks due to being over capacity :( i'd also like more info about the CCC. brenda :) __ __ __ __ / \ / \ / \ / \ ****** Chicchan Lahuna ****** __________/ __\/ __\/ _\/ __\________________________________ _________/ /__/ /__/ /__/______________________________________ | / \ / \ / \ / \ \____ |/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \ o \ \_____/--< AHAU Collective (503) 237-AHAU http://www.ahau.com/~chicchan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 16:49:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA02265; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA02258; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA28946; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:49:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:49:41 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199610072349.QAA28946@netcom17.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Mad & Mantra Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have been coerced by the lovely and charming Diana Greer to attend dinner and Mad tonight, despite my better judgement (and plans to unpack and clean my room). So I hope to see some of you tonight (and that means you, Mr. Matt Lanier!) for a fine evening of dinner and dancing. And as long as I'm wasting company time, does anyone know the latest word about Mantra? Is it coming back or not? flea -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com saturn5@cyborganic.net | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 17:49:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id RAA07688; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA07682; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id RAA13630; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:49:35 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id RAA21729; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:49:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Mad & Mantra To: Steve Simitzis cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199610072349.QAA28946@netcom17.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Steve Simitzis wrote: > And as long as I'm wasting company time, does anyone know the latest > word about Mantra? Is it coming back or not? The latest word I have is that Dutch is trying to get a possible monthly thing going (with help from Dionysus Dreams potentially =) so he is still trying to put it together. Stay tuned for further developments! Ran @ Dionysus Dreams -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 18:23:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id SAA10865; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA10855; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 13474597.mcoe.k12.ca.us (silver.salinas.net [205.179.129.141]) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA22862; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:41:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:41:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199610080041.RAA22862@lettuce.salinas.net> X-Sender: silver@salinas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bdabrams@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Brian Denny), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "SpinSilver--'Robertj@Monterey'" Subject: Re: Charity (moo...) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 09:08 PM 10/4/96 -0800, Brian Denny wrote: >as long as we're making farm aminal noises :) > >i'm going to Charity tonight... >hope everyone hasn't left already-- > >i'll be wearing a black shirt that says "UC Jazz Ensembles" in blue letters >(tho you may not be able to see it in the blacklite...) and my sfraves >laminate (of course!) and a name tag that says "hi my name is Brian". > >i'm 5'10", skinny, reddish-brown hair down to my neck/shoulders. i'll be >smilin' dancin' groovin' chillin'... > >if you see me, say hi, introduce yourself if ya don't already know me, and... >i'll give you a hug! (oh, no, not that, anything but that!!) > >as you can see i'm already in that raving (lunatic) mood... > >see you there! > >love, > >brian > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 18:29:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id SAA11403; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA11397; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 13474597.mcoe.k12.ca.us (silver.salinas.net [205.179.129.141]) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA22913; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:47:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:47:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199610080047.RAA22913@lettuce.salinas.net> X-Sender: silver@salinas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Scott Nelson From: "SpinSilver--'Robertj@Monterey'" Subject: Re: I'm back onLine!!!!!! Cc: Tony Rotundo , sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 02:58 PM 10/7/96 -0700, Scott Nelson wrote: > >love scott > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hey,......Just to let you know I'm back online at 6:30pm---These little down time truamas can be bitch...ya'know----Let me know about the mixer,..trade or use mine for the party (it's a $500.00 mixer) used in clubs.....Anyway... I'm looking forward to seeing if anyone can name that dj with me...I'm definately a stealth dj.... SpinSilver From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 18:57:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id SAA14862; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA14850; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Czefir@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA09322 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:56:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:56:42 -0400 Message-ID: <961007215641_121159907@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: I'm back!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey everyone! After more than a month of computerless, e-mailless college life I'm back. I missed you guys and gals so much!! I know I never contributed much and some of you may never remember me but I always thought of you all as my extended family, most of whom I've never met. I hope to change that soon. Sorry to waste the bandwidth on this message but I just wanted to let you all know I LOVE YOU ALL!! Love, Megan Czefir p.s. anyone who joined the list in the last month? It would be nice if you introduced yourself to me since I'm sure I've missed a bunch. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 19:11:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id TAA16476; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA16465; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA14989; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:10:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lowe To: Steve Simitzis cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Mantra (BSP) In-Reply-To: <199610072349.QAA28946@netcom17.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Steve Simitzis wrote: > And as long as I'm wasting company time, does anyone know the latest > word about Mantra? Is it coming back or not? Good timing! I just got back from a lovely evening walk down haight street - wherein I found new shoes, the latest Mondo2000, Loose blend Chai for home, and a flyer: - --------------------------------------------------- MANTRA!! Friday, November 1st, 1996 Mantra's Monthly Psychedelique Awakens with djs Anna Dutch Theta Blip Moonpup Neal Kraig Altar by Raven Brandon Braincandy's Smart Bar Sound from the Peace System and JK Sound First Friday of every month (415)331-1500x888 (415)646-0751 339 Jessle Alley, Between Market & Mission @ 4th Downtown San Francisco 18 and up $10 free Chai Tea afterparty - --------------------------------------------------- Yippeeeeee!!! : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : :: celebrate the beauty of every day, :: :: experience wonder at the mundane.... :: :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMlm4EaD2AoV67volAQFlIwf/T5HbWfDSpURsNAiT44xIvQTAgsT4e2V1 BNKZgxpYiW2z7vASA6/rEGogPYuttFyVwyIL2Vo9SXe8P54Ok/Iv59CyyWmjgOU2 slmWcxfMM2KnTNAmvU6FFTS5+2SP9kWPJsq4EKi7U7hHUAFqHeGMY3WYv2M5rsc4 X67pQ3g2HVvXWC6P+vgX5ljhTs8JmE+mmWiX9dWCTkIjZ6mYkQ6qFXpj7P0a0HGF zabA7JdmgxDAhwOnV/9MYTom3vLGFp6J+HrUC8mKh3oslQz3rJTqlo1pG+H4VW7w maU6pYqQh1Bj0mjLXVsRvxAXsfZYT2lHKCVkDqDSWrCKSCgLDZOuUA== =KjTn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 19:20:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id TAA17479; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA17471; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <885093(9)>; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:19:27 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 19:12:40 PDT From: "King Jester" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Question Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <96Oct7.191927pdt.885093(9)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:12:40 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I was driving passed a place that was 15,000 sf space for lease. It looked like it use to be some kind of retail store maybe. The question I put in front of you is this.... What's there to stop someone from getting it, having it open during the weekdays as a place to goto buy/sell/trade records and DJ tapes and demos, a drop off place for flyers. You can also have DJs come in to make tapes. People that want to learn or practice spinning can come in if they have nowhere to go or don't even have turntables. Hell, a place to try out your new dance moves for that matter. A totally legal place to do all the above, but only using half of the entire place with the other half blocked off or used for minor storage or something. Then maybe one day every weekend or maybe even just once a month in the other half roughly 7-10,000sf have a party. It would be consider a private party where the "customer/clients" of this store is showing off there talents by performing( spinning/lasers/visuals/dance moves). It would be a record/DJ equipment and lighting/dance studio store. Can all that happen and if so do you know any of the loop holes it would create or am I just wishful thinking. The Jester "Anything for a Laugh" --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 19:34:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id TAA18944; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA18792; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.134.228.103] (ppp103-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.103]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id TAA21795 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:33:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:33:40 -0700 X-Sender: sddpw@pop.sirius.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: sddpw@sirius.com (Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works) Subject: Syncopic (BSP) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just wanted to let y'all know that tomorrow night (tuesday) I will be DJing at The Top - 424 Haight St. at Fillmore. Just hanging out and listening to fucked up musick - trip-hop, electro, and other stoney beats. Syncopic - Psychostoneyroller beats Every other Tuesday 9:00pm - 2:00am $3 donation DJ Arkay(that's me!) and guests (like Moonpup on Oct. 22!) @ the Top - 424 Haight St(at Fillmore) Thanks......Arkay From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 19:39:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id TAA19505; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA19498; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (star@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA26003 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:39:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: pluto.sfsu.edu: star owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@pluto To: Friends & Family Subject: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, I just learned that Libertarian Party Presidential candidate Harry Browne is on KSFO (AM 560) as I type this message. Anyone interested in hearing the candidate of the largest party kept out of the Presidential debates by the Democrats/Republicans, and incidentally the party that would give us freedom to rave without being harrassed as we are now, tune in & turn on! Yours in liberty, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 20:09:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA23481; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA23376; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Hughdhyana@aol.com Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA03439 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:09:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:09:06 -0400 Message-ID: <961007230904_204711577@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Thanks CT D-Zine!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Now, here's an example of a fine giving soul!! I got my laminate in the mail today- I feel official and quite special!! Now, all I gotta do is get to a rave that doesn't get busted!! have a great week everyone -hugh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 20:24:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA25049; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from belgium.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA25040; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.36.139.224] (Cust32.Max33.San-Francisco2.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.139.224]) by belgium.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA26145 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:24:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lexical@earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:32:50 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lexical@earthlink.com (Plex) Subject: NRR:"nice girl needs home" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey people my friend Noel is looking for some kind roomies, here she is: stuff about me: I'm a girl, age 26. I'm looking for a room to rent in San Francisco from now til the end of February. I've lived in the East Bay for three years but I work in SF and I'm tired of commuting to work. I like to go to parties and dance the night away, but at home I'm chill and hang out reading or drawing.I work 9-5. I'm reliable for paying the bills and taking care of the place. Please page me if you have a room open: 415-232-4064 Have a good day Noel, :) ...*|||=9A=F8=F8=9A|||*... plexpaochiu ((((***=84=84..=BCe=E5=E7=E9>>>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 20:55:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA27628; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip-3.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA27603; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sf-pm13-10-74.dialup.slip.net [207.171.197.74] by slip-3.slip.net with smtp (Exim 0.55 #2) id E0vATFx-0000gS-00; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:54:57 -0700 X-Sender: lazyd@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lazyd@slip.net (Mr. Flipped His Lid) Subject: C.C.C Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:54:57 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone in Santrancisco, As a person who attends CCC parties on a regular basis. At first I really loved the small and intense vibe and still do. However the larger ones like the one that took place this weekend has alot more rewards. For instance there was alot of people who have never been to a party like this, let alone alot of people who never meditated once in their life, this party affected alot of people in a positive way. There will still be alot of small parties but I believe you are about to see larger parties being put on, and that dosent meen it is less underground it meens turning on and tuning in. Bom Shankar Flipped his lid P.S. most people call it psychedelic trance not Goa, mainly because it is such a global scene now and expanding everyday.It is also in its nature to always change and advance with time if you heard the music in the 80's they were playing industrial and such, at one time it was even acid house. The music just keeps getting better and better wait till you here the next wave of music just blinding and even more diverse. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 20:55:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA27638; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip-3.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA27601; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sf-pm13-10-74.dialup.slip.net [207.171.197.74] by slip-3.slip.net with smtp (Exim 0.55 #2) id E0vATFw-0000gS-00; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:54:56 -0700 X-Sender: lazyd@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lazyd@slip.net (Mr. Flipped His Lid) Subject: this Sat. Goa Gil B-day party Cc: goa@party.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:54:56 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Saturday night Is a full on Trance ritual/Goa Gil's birthday party. He will be playing the whole night till late morning. for further info call 415-487-7817 the event will be located in Berkley somwhere. directions will be put on the voicemail on Saturday. Peace love & trees (Mr. Flipped His Lid) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 20:56:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA27778; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA27772; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.86.220.227 (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA28768 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:56:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3259D252.382F@best.com> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 21:02:26 -0700 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: MIX TAPES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I was wondering if some of you who have put out a mix tape could give me some pointers. -What did you record the master on? -Where did you get it dubbed? -What are the prices (generally) for those generic blank tapes. -Where can you get covers printed and how much does it cost ( the printing, not the are)? any help would be appreciated. -peace!- alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 21:13:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id VAA29241; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA29233; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA11578; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.249] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06624; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:06:37 -0700 To: Starchild , Friends & Family From: Wayne Correia Subject: Re: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 7:39 PM -0700 10/7/96, Starchild wrote: > Anyone interested in hearing the candidate of the largest party >kept out of the Presidential debates by the Democrats/Republicans, and Actually, Perot's party is the largest "third party" being shut out of the debates, garnering 15% of the popular vote in 1992. I wish that the Perot, Libertarian, Green and any other party that wished could be allowed to debate the "popular candidates." There would be a lot more lively debate for sure. It's really two bad that the two-party system is so self-preserving that it actually could influence a decision to bar opposing parties from a free-speech debate. Unfortunately, the "popular" candidates will do very little for us if/when elected. So vote for anarchy in '96. :-) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 21:19:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id VAA29862; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nak.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA29852; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (ucdata.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.165.25]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA24596 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA12474; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:12:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:12:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Nancy Shaw Subject: CCC Goes East! to my old house :P To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I haven't had a chance to read the reviews, so advance apologies if this treks over old ground! Friday night I missed Charity because of a drunken night at a friend's (who's "on the list"!) housewarming party (My, El Cerrito is LOVELY!). Well, drunk and stoned at 2AM is NOT the time to drive over to the city, even for an event like Charity. But back here, several SFRavers mingled among the crowd, and it was really nice to see people I know mainly through "partying" in a different context, which completely foreshadowed... CCC! Saturday night in Berkeley, and I was making my usual rounds of the co-op parties. See, almost every weekend you can find _something_ happening in the co-ops, and word spread that there was a "CZ party" - meaning, usually, a drunken/drug bash with bands or a dj, and a lot of alterna-Berkeleyites. So, first I drank at home, then to another co-op for a truly wild "progressive" (drinks in every room), and then, stumbling, to CZ. Here my two worlds - the self-contained universe of Berkeley and the underground life of raving - collided. Earlier I couldn't fathom a "rave" at CZ, that gargantuan concrete structure housing 130 students that I called home two years ago, and that now houses SFR'er Mike Magurski and raveling Kenny (among others!). I approached the too-familiar behemoth only to find throngs of RAVERS! It was midnight and everyone was being turned away - CZ had reached capacity. The ravers - and, it seems, earlybird college students - had come. We kicked it down the block for about an hour; my insane curiousity about the spectacle of a rave at CZ wouldn't allow me to leave. At one we made it in... I thought it would be impossible to transform the truly-ugly Casa Zimbabwe. But CCC, with love, and effort, and a faBU collection of tapestries, made it happen. This was BEAUTIFUL!! Upstairs, in the grungy dining room where I had consumed too many midnight nachos, hundreds of people decked out in partygear went wild. Goa Gil was AMAZING!!! The sound, the people, the decorations... the magic of the ritual managed to transcend the ordinariness of the space. But, like a wrinkle in the universe, my usual Berkeley world was impinging on the alternate reality of the rave. Buzzed on alcohol, too tired to really dance, and unable to shake the image of the _real_ CZ, I jsut couldn't float on my usual journey into a rave wonderland. Like a typical Berkeley Saturday night, I made my way home at three, hours earlier than I would ever normally return from such an amazing party. I am eagerly awaiting the next CCC party - and the next appearance of Goa Gil!! But I have to hope, far away from my normal life! :) Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 22:42:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA07007; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA06994; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id WAA24283; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:42:02 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA20744; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:52:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:52:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Charity/CCC Trance review (long) To: Refried 99 cc: sfraves In-Reply-To: <3.0b33.32.19961007212904.00a3d4a0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Refried 99 wrote: > >oh yea; thanks to Steve and agent 99 for the video projector!! > > don't thank me, thank greg - who kicked down the cash for it. > -brendan- > YEA GREG!!! =) Thanks!!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 22:48:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA07547; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA07538; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from drenalin@localhost) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA25178; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:06:50 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Nelson To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: (bsp) Planetarium pre-sale tickets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, We have some presale tickets out for our camping trip. We are trying to put them in three areas so they are somewhat closeby anyone. We will also have tickets available on the mountain. In East Bay we have tickets at Drop Beat a new record store in Oakland! www.dropbeat.com 5417 College Avenue, Oakland the inTIMidator was there recently and says they have a nice store with great music. In SF we will have tickets at Frequency-8 (probably tomorrow night but to be safe don't go until Wed if you can) www.frequency-8.com (mars this isnt working for some reason?) 1816 Haight Street In San Jose we will have tickets at Solid Grooves (i'm taking them there tomorrow) 368 S. Bascom, San Jose You can get more info about the party at our website www.cloudfactory.org Tickets are $15 and any proceeds go 50/50 to the Cloud Factory sound system and Omar's Healing Fund! love drenalin ps More info like directions will be posted on Wed. or Thurs. -------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Nelson - drenalin@salinas.net SalinasNet - admin@salinas.net http://www.salinas.net The Web Works - webworks@ultima.org http://www.ultima.org/WebWorks/ hyperreal staff - drenalin@hyperreal.com -------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 22:48:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA07600; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email.sjsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA07591; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athens (athens [130.65.3.10]) by email.sjsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA13292 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dhiren P. Dasu" X-Sender: udu00726@athens To: sfraves Subject: Chariots of the Gods? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings I read this book by a Swiss writer named Erich Von Daniken when I was still in the ninth grade named Chariots of the Gods. It has elaborate theories on why all life on earth is actually descended from aliens. thebook was quite interesting to me at the time. This was before a barrage of critical thinking/logic/communication classes that I've taken since. I'm curious if any of you out there have read this book and what you think of it. I plan to read this book again and come to some conclusions. All the reviews that I've read on the net (using Yahoo with the authors name) have completely ripped the theory to shreds and questioned the integrity of the author. I would be curious to see what the erudite subscribers of sfraves have to add about the book or any similar theories. Please send me mail privately should any of you deem this a waste of that important resource... bandwidth. Thank you all for listening Until we meet again Love and Peace Dhiren From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 22:56:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA08093; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA08084; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11736; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.249] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08639; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:56:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:37:11 -0700 To: Starchild , Friends & Family From: Wayne Correia Subject: Re: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 9:06 PM -0700 10/7/96, Wayne Correia wrote: >At 7:39 PM -0700 10/7/96, Starchild wrote: > >> Anyone interested in hearing the candidate of the largest party >>kept out of the Presidential debates by the Democrats/Republicans, and > >Actually, Perot's party is the largest "third party" being shut out of the >debates, garnering 15% of the popular vote in 1992. I wish that the Perot, >Libertarian, Green and any other party that wished could be allowed to >debate the "popular candidates." There would be a lot more lively debate >for sure. I was wrong... Perot got 19% of the vote. ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia +1.415.826.6000 FAX +1.415.826.6100 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 22:58:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA08267; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA08262; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA06012; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: (bsp) 2o12 To: Happy Ravers , Diane Tabellija , Raven Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello =) this november 9th we'll be having a gathering called '2o12' djs will be dutch, tom, and more TBA shortly. '2o12' is teh gregorian date marking the ending/beginning of a large cycle in mayan cosmology. the cost will be between 5 to 8 dollars, depending on how our budget looks closer to the actual date. our VM is 415.525.5o52 if you have any questions feel free to call me at 4o8.275.1546 or email here. ->alpha wave sinchronization<- tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 23:01:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id XAA08507; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email.sjsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA08501; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athens (athens [130.65.3.10]) by email.sjsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA13514 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dhiren P. Dasu" X-Sender: udu00726@athens To: sfraves Subject: CCCharity / Sunset Combo PLatter Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes! That about sums it up. Thank you all for being there and sharing precious time and space and wisdom with me. Thank you, Goa Gil for where you took me and what you showed me. Until next time Love and Peace Dhiren and Ben "We know this is worthwhile doing. This is the future of the human race" Gerald Heard as quoted in the book Storming Heaven by Jay Stevens. Page 141. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Oct 7 23:35:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id XAA10882; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA10877; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id XAA29195; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:34:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:37:53 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: Friday: Not Charity but Pacific. Cc: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin Woffington) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk exodus@earthlink.net (Austin Woffington) wrote: >This party was near Santa cruz in a very spiritual place in the woods. It >seemed like a dance studio with the wood floors. The site was the Subud center in Soquel. Subud is not exactly a religion but more an approach to spirituality that is open to all creeds. The Soquel center has been the location for half a dozen or so raves that I know of in the past year. It's a great space, though not large. >No listers ('cept ethan)? anyone else go? The music was >mellow in the main room (s. Murry?) till Ethan came up and got quite a few >souls shakin' including myself. Me! I wasn't planning on going out that evening, but when I figured out that tthe spot was just down the road...well, why not? I was there, though not til shortly before Ethan's set, which I liked best. >PS I'll probably unsub from this list to concentrate on my school and come >back every once i a while. bye :( So what about this SB event on the 12th that you're supposed to tell us about? You do recall, of course, from your previous message: >Also BP There is a party in SB mext weekend on the 11th if anyone's >interested. I'll post about it when I get back. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 00:44:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id AAA15689; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id AAA15673; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kelly.teleport.com (chicchan@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08722 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chicchan@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id AAA15687; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:43:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: the spirit of sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk has anyone noticed? __ __ __ __ / \ / \ / \ / \ ****** Chicchan Lahuna ****** __________/ __\/ __\/ _\/ __\________________________________ _________/ /__/ /__/ /__/______________________________________ | / \ / \ / \ / \ \____ |/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \ o \ \_____/--< AHAU Collective (503) 237-AHAU http://www.ahau.com/~chicchan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 02:44:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id CAA28506; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id CAA28488; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (star@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA15196; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: pluto.sfsu.edu: star owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@pluto To: Wayne Correia cc: Friends & Family Subject: Re: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! (long) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Wayne & Friends & Family, My computer tells me that on Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Wayne Correia shared: > >At 7:39 PM -0700 10/7/96, Starchild wrote: > > > >> Anyone interested in hearing the candidate of the largest party > >>kept out of the Presidential debates by the Democrats/Republicans, and > > > >Actually, Perot's party is the largest "third party" being shut out of the > >debates, garnering (19)% of the popular vote in 1992. I think this is a popular misconception, due to the fact that Perot and the Reform Party get a lot more mainstream press than the Libertarian Party does. It is true that Ross Perot got 19% of the Presidential vote in 1992, compared to I think like 1% for Andre Marrou, the Libertarian Party candidate that year (partly thanks to Perot's inclusion and Marrou's exclusion from the 1992 Presidential debates). However, the Libertarian Party has more registered voters, more elected officials (several hundred minor officeholders across the country) and is more organized nationwide (this year we beat the Reform Party in getting 50-state ballot status for our Presidential nominee, and did it with less money) than any party in the U.S. other than the Republicans and Democrats. Ross Perot and his billions is the driving force behind the Reform Party -- by contrast, the Libertarian Party is based on a philosophy, and is not dependent for its success on any one individual. Now that Perot has also been shut out of the debates this year, I don't think he will get anywhere near the 19% of the vote he got in '92. I'll be surprised if he gets 5%, and I think between now and 2000, we will see the Reform Party splinter as his star fades. What I think is particularly telling for the future is that the Internet is disproportionately full of libertarians. In several online polls, Harry Browne has outpolled *all* the other candidates, including Dole and Clinton, leading one source to dub him "The President of Cyberspace." Browne's running mate, Jo Jorgensen, is a thirty-something CEO of a software company, and a very cool woman too I might add. I can certainly understand Wayne's reasons for not voting, if that's what he meant by "vote anarchy." However I think it is a mistake to only vote for a candidate you think has a chance of winning -- some of those who have little chance of winning are candidates worth voting for -- like when Jello Biafra ran for mayor of San Francisco. 8) The Libertarian Party gets most of its publicity from small papers, talk radio, word of mouth, etc. Network TV and the "opinion leader" papers like the New York Times and Washington Post tend to ignore us, which perhaps is not surprising in view of how out of touch they are. As Las Vegas Review-Journal columnist Vin Suprynowicz put it, "America has a third party -- why weren't you told?" For liberty, <<< Starchild >>> "Any government big enough to give you anything you want is big enough to take it all away." (thank you Ken Stuart) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 02:58:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id CAA29392; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id CAA29387; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:58:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Digumo@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA04899 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 05:58:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 05:58:16 -0400 Message-ID: <961008055815_204886124@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: To my new friends... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, because of meeting so many cool people I wanted to let you get to know me a little. I had my bio and web page laying around but I just never put it up....now I have. I appreciate all who responded publicly and privately to me when I posted for the first time. If you want to catch a peek at who I am and what I do, visit my personal web page. http://members.aol.com/digumo/ If you like the logo, invite me to a get together...make sure that I go (and stop working so much) and I'll whip one up for your web page. Sorry to the guys but I have to do this one....If you're female, in the Bay area and single, and want to see a cool picture (not what you are thinking it is!) I have one on of me on the page! (Hey....wouldn't you mention it too if you were a single "and date-seeking" guy?)....flames about this are welcome (but won't be responded to) because even if you flame me it doesn't change the fact that I'm out there looking! :-) Rave-ya-later! Sincerely, Matt "Digumo" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 03:36:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id DAA01753; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id DAA01747; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.106.63.241] (mac8100.zone.org [199.106.63.241]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id DAA21573; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610081036.DAA21573@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:32:56 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: The Crunchman Goa master tape is complete Cc: sd-raves@party.net, socal-raves@UCSD.EDU Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This evening, I finally finished the final mix of the Crunchman Goa tape. Tommorrow, I design the J card.... My problem is that Don't have the up-front cash to duplicate the tape, but I'm now collecting money from those that want the first run of copies. I listened to it this evening, and could not tell when the mixing takes place, so thats a good sign I think you'll like it. I played a few excellent Goa favorites, but stuck to some new stuff I haven't heard other DJ's play.. It's mastered on Cassette, unfortunately, I could not obtain empty DAT's here. Perhaps next tape... The recording quality is excellent. For those wanting a copy, please send $10 to..... John Draper 624 Broadway San Diego, CA 92101 When I get enough money to cover the duplication costs, I'll send it in for duplication, and about a week later will have the tapes.... PLEASE include your Email address on the check. It will make my life easier in case I have to return your check if I don't have enough orders. Please Email me after you send in your money, so I'll know to be expecting it. Now..... perhaps I won't mind paying my way into raves, if I have any money left over. I have to get at least 8 orders to pay for the setup fees. If I don't get enough orders to cover the charges, I'll send the checks back. As soon as I can get into my WEB site, I'll put up the details on my home page.... Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 09:13:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA28989; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA28959; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (solle@srf-ca9-55.ix.netcom.com [205.186.119.119]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09870 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:12:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:12:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199610081612.JAA09870@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: solle@ix.netcom.com (Sunny) Subject: Wanted: Black Lights To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I need the name of a person or place that rents lighting products, specifically black lights. I just need 2 for a small party, nothing fancy. Any help would be much appreciated, please e-mail me privately. Thanks -SUNNY! Solle Clothing Co. solle@solle.com "Search & Satisfy!" tm From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 09:47:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA02347; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA02322; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA07373; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:46:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199610081646.JAA07373@netcom15.netcom.com> To: Wayne Correia cc: Starchild , Friends & Family cc: jack@twaxx.com, geoffw@v-site.net, jasong@eit.com Subject: RR: VOTING (was Re: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Oct 96 21:06:37 PDT." Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 09:46:39 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > It's really two bad that the two-party system is so self-preserving that it > actually could influence a decision to bar opposing parties from a > free-speech debate. Actually, at this point, it's a one party system. The only people taking Dole at all seriously are the abortion-over-my-dead-body-shit-fer-brains-christians and the i-have-tons-of-money-that-i-earned-the-old-fashioned-way-by-fraud-and- graft-and-wish-we-could-reestablish-slavery-ahh-the-good-old-days. Oh, and don't forget the I'm-a-lame-corporate-peon-that-earns-$20K-a-year-but-i'm- gonna-work-myself-outta-the-mailroom-and-become-somebody-oneday-and-my-boss- told-me-the-only-way-that'll-happen-is-if-i-vote-republican-so-i-am. That's about the extent of the republican constituency. Casting aside the aforementioned lamos, who are clearly a minority of the USA populace (see, I can be positive! :-)), we're left with Clinton taking the rest of the votes. Or at least that's why they're planning to offer you a candidate that isn't really much different from a republican. The new kindler-gentler fascism they're planning to offer works best when you don't have a choice but to fall in line behind the leaders. But you can stop this plan dead in it's tracks. WRITE IN RALPH NADER OF THE GREEN PARTY. They didn't even allow him to be on the ballot in a number of states, so you may actually have to write him in. The point is that you can say FUCK YOU to this joke "one party plus a senile codger's swan song" version of politikkks and give 'em a real idea of what representative democracy is supposed to be about. It may not matter for this election, but when 10% of the vote gets eaten up by Perot, 10% by the green party, and 10% by the libertarians, perhaps they'll have to re-think USA's political in-joke for '2000. At this point, even most european parliamentary systems are more democratic than the USA. In most of these systems, there is a broad-spectrum representation of the people's will in Parliament -- Labor, Socialist, Peace&Freedom, Green, Christian, Fascist, and other parties having some amount of representation within Parliament -- even if they're not a majority. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it's republicans and democrats ONLY in congress, in the senate, in the supreme court, and in the white house. Now that we essentially have a one-party-system, please note that they'll be preening Al "I'll-escrow-your-cryptographic-keys-in-my-bunghole" Gore to be president in 2000. After all, who really needs freedom of speech, the right to peacable assembly, and protection against illegal search and seizure in cyberspace when there's TERRORISTS and DRUG DEALERS planning on stealing the pink flamingos from Amerikkka's family lawn! (I don't know about you, but I worry more about the wrong-doings of the right-thinkers of US Government than I ever do about terrorists and drug dealers.) Oh... and does anybody remember Tipper Gore's "rock and roll obscenity hearings??" Please think of your future when voting in '96, because if you don't send a message NOW you may never have a chance to send a message again. The way things are going now, in the year 2000, they may not allow any 3rd party candidates to even run, be on ballots, be written in, or to campaign. After 40 years of harping on the communists for not allowing free elections (because they're essentially one party elections) we seem to be heading in that direction ourselves. Democracy my ass. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 10:11:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA04705; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from libra.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA04697; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from glow@localhost) by libra.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA16554 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:11:40 -0700 (PDT) From: BRUCE ALVIN MCDONOUGH Message-Id: <199610081711.KAA16554@libra.sfsu.edu> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: subjective advice sought Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi, I'm in the market for a couple of mix tapes, maybe some Goa, and something more varied, techno-like maybe mixed with other stuff. Any recommendations as to good dj's/tape-titles would be helpful. mostly what i have now is from the Wicked boys, and sounding a little dated. thanks, Bruce From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 10:57:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA09346; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA09332; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13979; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.249] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25407; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:56:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:46:10 -0700 To: Starchild From: Wayne Correia Subject: Re: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! (long) Cc: Friends & Family Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 2:43 AM -0700 10/8/96, Starchild wrote: >Dear Wayne & Friends & Family, > >My computer tells me that on Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Wayne Correia shared: I registered Republican, but I intend to vote otherwise this year. If most of my friends and I had to be pegged as something, we'd probably say Libertarian. I don't know if that's how I will vote though I will definitely vote. It doesn't matter much how we all vote (for President, that is) becuase even if 80% of the people in the USA voted for the Libertarian candidate, the Electoral College will most likely vote for Clinton anyway. ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia +1.415.826.6000 FAX +1.415.826.6100 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 11:43:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id LAA13918; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA13910; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id OAA03874; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:43:08 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23529; Tue, 8 Oct 96 11:43:05 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 25AA0D80; Tue, 8 Oct 96 11:43:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:40:50 -0700 Message-Id: <25AA0D80.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Re[2]: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! To: Starchild , Friends & Family , Wayne Correia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a number for the Dept that supposedly disqualified Perot from attending the debates? This is an outrage. Obviously someone's afraid of him getting elected. But whether or not you support him, he should be allowed to stand up and debate with them, shouldn't he? deepfgo ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! Author: Wayne Correia at ccsmtp Date: 10/7/96 9:06 PM At 7:39 PM -0700 10/7/96, Starchild wrote: > Anyone interested in hearing the candidate of the largest party >kept out of the Presidential debates by the Democrats/Republicans, and Actually, Perot's party is the largest "third party" being shut out of the debates, garnering 15% of the popular vote in 1992. I wish that the Perot, Libertarian, Green and any other party that wished could be allowed to debate the "popular candidates." There would be a lot more lively debate for sure. It's really two bad that the two-party system is so self-preserving that it actually could influence a decision to bar opposing parties from a free-speech debate. Unfortunately, the "popular" candidates will do very little for us if/when elected. So vote for anarchy in '96. :-) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 11:46:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id LAA14220; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA14213; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id LAA06342; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:45:25 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:45:19 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rhea Gossett Subject: Where can I go to hear DJ Charlotte/The Baroness ?? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I seem to remember that she spun at a weekly on Tuesday night, or Thursday night (maybe both?), but now I can't find her listed as DJing for any of the current weeklies in the calendar... I just heard her again, Saturday in Golden Gate Park, and must hear more! Soon! Thanks for your help, Rhea From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 12:14:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA17138; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from umr.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA17106; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ee.umr.edu (ee.umr.edu [131.151.100.20]) via SMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.7.5/R.4.17) id OAA11452; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:13:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: by ee.umr.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-kaw-30-jun-94) id OAA10482; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:13:02 -0500 From: rkumar@ee.umr.edu (Roger Kumar) Message-Id: <199610081913.OAA10482@ee.umr.edu> Subject: pixel To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:12:56 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all :) One of my good friends has departed for sf, thanks to his new job. His name is James Cooper aka Pixel and he's a great breaks/ trance dj. He just left Columbia, Missouri, so he should be loving the west coast right about now. If anyone meets him, give him a real big hug :) Missouri still sucks. I'm stuck at school :( From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 12:21:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA17742; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saclink2.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA17727; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by saclink2.csus.edu (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA180832455; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:20:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: subjective advice sought To: BRUCE ALVIN MCDONOUGH Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199610081711.KAA16554@libra.sfsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Get an Ethan mixtape!! love, Amy ******* ** ** * * * oo oo * * oOOo oOOo * * oOOo oOOo * E.T.I. * oo oo * Is Here Now * * * * * ____ * * * * * * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 13:08:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA22660; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA22646; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Sami Khoury Message-Id: <199610082008.NAA22646@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: subjective advice sought To: glow@sfsu.edu Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Amy R Starkey" at Oct 8, 96 12:20:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Get one of Sho's mixtapes :) sho@genmagic.com Sami From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 13:17:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA23580; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA23570; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA03451; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sidewalk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA05629; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:10:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:10:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Timothy McIntyre To: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! In-Reply-To: <25AA0D80.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Oct 1996 TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com wrote: > Does anyone have a number for the Dept that supposedly disqualified > Perot from attending the debates? This is an outrage. Obviously > someone's afraid of him getting elected. But whether or not you > support him, he should be allowed to stand up and debate with them, > shouldn't he? > > deepfgo > Well, not really... Perot was averaging about 2% in recent polls, which makes it hard to justify that he deserves to be in the debates, whose rules require that a candidate "have a reasonable chance to be elected" before s/he is allowed to participate in the debates. In 1992, Perot's chances were much higher--he garnered 19% of the vote nationally--and so back then he was allowed to participate in the debates. This time, Perot has made the compelling argument that the debates should be seen as a means to having "a reasonable chance of getting elected"--i.e., maybe I'm getting only 2% now, Perot said, but if I could debate the two big guys then maybe I could have a reasonable shot of getting elected. This makes sense, but by that line of reasoning, then the debate commision would have to let all sorts of wacky candidates in, and the number of participants would make the event cease to be a debate. Then again, that might not be a bad thing, but it wouldn't be too practical. cheers Timothy > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! > Author: Wayne Correia at ccsmtp > Date: 10/7/96 9:06 PM > > > At 7:39 PM -0700 10/7/96, Starchild wrote: > > > Anyone interested in hearing the candidate of the largest party > >kept out of the Presidential debates by the Democrats/Republicans, and > > Actually, Perot's party is the largest "third party" being shut out of the > debates, garnering 15% of the popular vote in 1992. I wish that the Perot, > Libertarian, Green and any other party that wished could be allowed to > debate the "popular candidates." There would be a lot more lively debate > for sure. > > It's really two bad that the two-party system is so self-preserving that it > actually could influence a decision to bar opposing parties from a > free-speech debate. > > Unfortunately, the "popular" candidates will do very little for us if/when > elected. So vote for anarchy in '96. :-) > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 13:45:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA26600; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA26594; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scarab@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA24736; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:44:52 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE To: Rhea Gossett cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Where can I go to hear DJ Charlotte/The Baroness ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think the Tuesday night gig was at the Up and Down club. She spun in the "UP" room every week. It was about three weeks ago that I was at the Up and Down club, so things may have changed. She also seems to be a consort of the Braun Fellini's. I've seen the names together frequently, and thought I read something about that, too. But, that's just my observations. -KC On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Rhea Gossett wrote: > I seem to remember that she spun at a weekly on Tuesday night, > or Thursday night (maybe both?), but now I can't find her > listed as DJing for any of the current weeklies in the calendar... > > I just heard her again, Saturday in Golden Gate Park, and must > hear more! Soon! > > Thanks for your help, > Rhea > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 13:47:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA26776; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA26766; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA10575; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:46:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:46:46 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199610082046.NAA10575@netcom17.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Subject: Re: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! > > Author: Wayne Correia at ccsmtp > > Date: 10/7/96 9:06 PM > > > > > > At 7:39 PM -0700 10/7/96, Starchild wrote: > > > > > Anyone interested in hearing the candidate of the largest party > > >kept out of the Presidential debates by the Democrats/Republicans, and > > > > Actually, Perot's party is the largest "third party" being shut out of the > > debates, garnering 15% of the popular vote in 1992. I wish that the Perot, > > Libertarian, Green and any other party that wished could be allowed to > > debate the "popular candidates." There would be a lot more lively debate > > for sure. > > > > It's really two bad that the two-party system is so self-preserving that it > > actually could influence a decision to bar opposing parties from a > > free-speech debate. > > Huh? It's a *two*-party system? And here I thought the Republican party just had two candidates this year. :) > > Unfortunately, the "popular" candidates will do very little for us if/when > > elected. So vote for anarchy in '96. :-) > > > > > > > > void soapbox(void) { The only reason I'm voting this year is because I would feel guilty if I didn't. I heard on an NPR radio show last night that Clinton is proposing *uniforms* in public schools and *curfews* as an effort to "improve" our nation's youth (WTF??!!). Sounds pretty Nazi to me. Not really trying to start a political battle here, but it seems that both major candidates are in a race to see who can turn the US into a police state the quickest. I'm not voting for either of those losers. They don't need my pathetic vote, anyway. I'm going to research the candidates running in the "third-parties" and hope that one of them sounds okay. They need my support (and yours). Don't waste your vote ("I guess I'll just vote for Clinton so that Dole won't get elected"). Support third parties and someday, maybe there'll actually be a choice in US politics. return(); } hugz from the flea, Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com saturn5@cyborganic.net | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 14:05:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA28824; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA28807; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gebco.ix.netcome.com (str-ca2-28.ix.netcom.com [207.93.43.92]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA22858 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:05:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961008210949.00682e1c@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: c9d@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 14:09:49 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Micron Subject: open hug to all :NRR Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HI!. Just wanted to give everyone a BIG tuesday hug. =) ______________________________________________________________ | // /// // ////// ////// ////// /// // | | // // //// // // // // // // // // // | | // // // // // // /// // // // // // | | // / // // // // // // // // //// | |// // // ////// // // ////// // // | |_____________________________________________________________| PLUR! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 14:23:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA00997; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA00992; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erase99 (ppp051-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.51]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id OAA23986 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:22:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b33.32.19961008142720.00a47880@pop.sirius.com> X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b33 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 14:27:22 -0700 To: NRR Central From: Lip 99 Subject: Re: Re[2]: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Well, not really... Perot was averaging about 2% in recent polls, >which makes it hard to justify that he deserves to be in the debates, >whose rules require that a candidate "have a reasonable chance to be >elected" before s/he is allowed to participate in the debates. In 1992, plus, when perot was campaigning for his party nomination, he refused to have a debate with another candidate for the party nomination. could perot be so hypocritical to demand that he be allowed to debate when he doesn't have a chance of winning when he refused the same priviledge to a fellow party member during the party nomination? umm. yes. -brendan- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 14:47:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA03746; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA03706; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21174 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09728 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:46:47 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:53:06 -0800 To: rhea@xinet.COM From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: Where can I go to hear DJ Charlotte/The Baroness ?? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Rhea, Keep your eyes peeled for 2nd Chakra, thrown by Nexus, Saturday November 9th. Charlotte's on the line-up. Preliminary flyers are out now; full flyers should be out next week. I've never heard her play, but I'm looking forward to it. There ain't enough women working the turntables these days :o( -b))merang >I think the Tuesday night gig was at the Up and Down club. She spun in >the "UP" room every week. It was about three weeks ago that I was at the >Up and Down club, so things may have changed. > >She also seems to be a consort of the Braun Fellini's. I've seen >the names together frequently, and thought I read something about that, >too. But, that's just my observations. > >-KC > >On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Rhea Gossett wrote: > >> I seem to remember that she spun at a weekly on Tuesday night, >> or Thursday night (maybe both?), but now I can't find her >> listed as DJing for any of the current weeklies in the calendar... >> >> I just heard her again, Saturday in Golden Gate Park, and must >> hear more! Soon! >> >> Thanks for your help, >> Rhea >> >> >> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 14:58:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA04764; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA04753; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkpb05742; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp101.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02909; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:01:40 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:01:40 -0700 Message-Id: <9610082201.AA02909@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Lip 99 From: Aryck Subject: Re: Re[2]: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 02:27 PM 10/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >> Well, not really... Perot was averaging about 2% in recent polls, >>which makes it hard to justify that he deserves to be in the debates, >>whose rules require that a candidate "have a reasonable chance to be >>elected" before s/he is allowed to participate in the debates. In 1992, > >plus, when perot was campaigning for his party nomination, he refused to >have a debate with another candidate for the party nomination. could perot >be so hypocritical to demand that he be allowed to debate when he doesn't >have a chance of winning when he refused the same priviledge to a fellow >party member during the party nomination? umm. yes. >-brendan- > > > Actually, I think they said that Perot wasn't allowed to debate. It was on the news n all. Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 15:07:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA05541; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA05505; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkpc02650; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp101.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02884; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:00:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:00:20 -0700 Message-Id: <9610082200.AA02884@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Aryck Subject: GIF image 973x513 pixels (sfrmap) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 19:16:25 -0700 >From: Aryck >Organization: Heald Colleges >To: MXSNOWMAN@aol.com >Cc: mxman@heald.edu >Subject: GIF image 973x513 pixels >X-Url: http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/sfrmapL.gif >Content-Length: 370305 > >http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/sfrmapL.gif > >Attachment Converted: C:\HEALDEDU\EMAIL\EUDORA1\sfrmapL.gif > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 15:08:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA05700; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA05693; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkpc02616; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp101.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AB02884; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:00:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:00:23 -0700 Message-Id: <9610082200.AB02884@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Aryck Subject: GIF image 973x513 pixels Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 19:16:25 -0700 >From: Aryck >Organization: Heald Colleges >To: MXSNOWMAN@aol.com >Cc: mxman@heald.edu >Subject: GIF image 973x513 pixels >X-Url: http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/sfrmapL.gif >Content-Length: 370305 > >http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/sfrmapL.gif > >Attachment Converted: C:\HEALDEDU\EMAIL\EUDORA1\sfrmapL.gif > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 15:25:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA07512; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA07485; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:24:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Czefir@aol.com Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA17495 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:24:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:24:26 -0400 Message-ID: <961008182425_205349572@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: to whom it may concern Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 96-10-07 16:52:24 EDT, you write: This is to the two wonderful people that e-mailed me and tried to get me in touch with Eric P. I was e-mail less for a month right up until yesterday so I didn't get your messages until just now. Please thank Eric for trying to get in touch with me. My sister tried to send an e-mail to him for me, but I guess he never got it. I feel very bad for being unable to respond to your messages and I hope that my ticket to Harmony Eric had for me did not go to waste. Please give him this message and thank you again for trying to get ahold of me. I hope everyone is having a good day. Love, Megan Czefir From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 16:06:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA12086; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA12077; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id TAA20752; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 19:06:39 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11081; Tue, 8 Oct 96 16:06:38 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 25ADEA00; Tue, 8 Oct 96 16:07:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:03:33 -0700 Message-Id: <25ADEA00.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Re[4]: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! To: NRR Central , Lip 99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk perhaps focusing on debating with other candidates was not what he wanted to do during that time, rather focus on laying down what his issues were. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! Author: Lip 99 at ccsmtp Date: 10/8/96 2:27 PM > Well, not really... Perot was averaging about 2% in recent polls, >which makes it hard to justify that he deserves to be in the debates, >whose rules require that a candidate "have a reasonable chance to be >elected" before s/he is allowed to participate in the debates. In 1992, plus, when perot was campaigning for his party nomination, he refused to have a debate with another candidate for the party nomination. could perot be so hypocritical to demand that he be allowed to debate when he doesn't have a chance of winning when he refused the same priviledge to a fellow party member during the party nomination? umm. yes. -brendan- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 16:12:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA12651; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA12627; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkpg08003; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 19:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp109.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02338; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:33:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:33:34 -0700 Message-Id: <9610082133.AA02338@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Aryck Subject: Ground ZERO Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone see the flyer? It's a bit bigger than fantasy island's. How was fantasy island anyway, I drove by and it didn't look like it was too busy. If you rate parties by the size of the flyer, this one wouldn't even pass go. It looks like it'd be a cool video game though. Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 16:45:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA15631; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA15624; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.160.193] (wmf3.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.160.193]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA29880; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:43:06 -0800 To: Aryck From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Ground ZERO Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Anyone see the flyer? It's a bit bigger than fantasy island's. How >was fantasy island anyway, I drove by and it didn't look like it was too busy. >If you rate parties by the size of the flyer, this one wouldn't even pass >go. It looks like it'd be a cool video game though. funny how ghost rates himself the "bay area's #1 dj" on the flyer he designed! whatta dink. -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | expanded/mirror site under construction... | | http://www.cyborganic.com/people/lachim/ | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 548-3225 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 17:57:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id RAA21811; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA21797; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA22876; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.sfsu.edu: dislex owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:56:59 -0700 (PDT) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: michal migurski cc: Aryck , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Ground ZERO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, michal migurski wrote: > > Anyone see the flyer? It's a bit bigger than fantasy island's. How > >was fantasy island anyway, I drove by and it didn't look like it was too busy. > >If you rate parties by the size of the flyer, this one wouldn't even pass > >go. It looks like it'd be a cool video game though. if you rate flyers though it's pretty good. it's large, die-cut, anime and has a place on my wall. there sure are a shit load of them floating around the bay area though... > > funny how ghost rates himself the "bay area's #1 dj" on the flyer he designed! yeah, i noticed that to. if you wanted to go for the title of "east bay area's #1 dj" ...well you may have to have a few words with ethan about that. but "bay area's #1 dj" ? what the fuck ? > > whatta dink. > > -m. > > > 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 > | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | > | for that whole body thirst situation | > | | > | (- Portfolio! -) | > | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | > | | > | expanded/mirror site under construction... | > | http://www.cyborganic.com/people/lachim/ | > | | > | Michal Migurski | > | (510) 548-3225 | > | | > | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | > | | > 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 18:05:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id SAA22701; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA22694; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA06200 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trose@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA02315 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:03:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:03:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Anthony Rose To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: rave haiku Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yo im a beathead my neighbor bangs on my door beats thumping her floor think in mod 4 acid sounds consuming air yo im a beathead :-) ;-) :-) * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* Tony Rose UC Berkeley CS http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~trose nothing ************** ******* ***** *** ** * * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 18:20:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id SAA23935; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA23928; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA14571 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trose@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA20178 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:19:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:19:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Anthony Rose To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: any good new cds out? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk god, im sick of buying cds and having to take them back to lose 25% each time because they suck...this has happened with the last 3 cd's I bought...now I have another trade in and I dont want to pick crap again!...has anyone heard any really good cd's that blew you away... yeah...how about some etotally subjective reviews... * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* Tony Rose UC Berkeley CS http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~trose (NULL) ************** ******* ***** *** ** * * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 18:44:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id SAA25921; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA25909; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from well.com (phred@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id SAA24975; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA10725; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:43:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9610081843.ZM10723@well.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:43:52 -0700 In-Reply-To: KaySEE "Re: Where can I go to hear DJ Charlotte/The Baroness ??" (Oct 8, 1:44pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: KaySEE , Rhea Gossett Subject: Re: Where can I go to hear DJ Charlotte/The Baroness ?? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Charlotte has been the Broun Fellinis' regular in-between-sets DJ for quite a while now, check them out at the Elbo Room (17th & Valencia) sometime. She also usually is doing one or more mid-week things in the various clubs around town. I'd rank her as one of the best and most underappreciated DJs in the Bay Area, but then again, I'm biased as a friend :-) She doesn't just do downtempo stuff, either -- I heard her do really good house at the Top last fall when the Hardkisses were doing their Friday night thing there. phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 18:47:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id SAA26614; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA26543; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03510 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.249] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20573 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:47:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:47:11 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: hungry? wizzins! Subject: Re: Ground ZERO Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 5:56 PM -0700 10/8/96, MIKE BOLGER wrote: >On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, michal migurski wrote: > >> > Anyone see the flyer? It's a bit bigger than fantasy island's. How >> >was fantasy island anyway, I drove by and it didn't look like it was >>too busy. >> >If you rate parties by the size of the flyer, this one wouldn't even pass >> >go. It looks like it'd be a cool video game though. > >if you rate flyers though it's pretty good. it's large, die-cut, anime and >has a place on my wall. there sure are a shit load of them floating around >the bay area though... Remember that flyer size is usually inversely proportional to party quality A few possibly descriptive words for this party: suburban, circle dancing, sportswear. This party is being promoted by the "6 in da mornin" crew. I saw some of them on haight street a couple weeks ago. They were a sad lot -- two gold hoops in each ear, gold chains, wearing nothing but a bunch of sportswear, having a posturing attitude, looked pretty young and full of themselves. They were thrusting their flyers in the faces of young (high school) girls. It was funny how the girls fended off the flyers and promoters over and over... it was really quite a sight to see. If you were from their clique (maybe you dress/look like that and live in say, Fremont or Concord :-) ), you'd think they were hot stuff I guess, but they just looked like bad vibes all over to me... > > >> funny how ghost rates himself the "bay area's #1 dj" on the flyer he >>designed! > >yeah, i noticed that to. if you wanted to go for the title of "east bay >area's #1 dj" ...well you may have to have a few words with ethan about >that. but "bay area's #1 dj" ? what the fuck ? This is so rediculous I cannot even comment. This whole "suburban sportswear rave" scene just reeks of burbs-livin' white boys who watch way too much "Yo MTV Raps." Not much old school spirit there, unless you count break dancing. :-) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 18:54:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id SAA27118; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA27100; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wck-ca13-19.ix.netcom.com (shawna-@wck-ca13-19.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.211]) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA07455 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:53:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:53:16 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961007184344.34c7cd46@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (Frisco Freaks) From: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer Subject: car accidents (nrr) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! Had my first official car accident last night, and I definitely feel grateful that as many things went well as they did. Had it coming back from Monday Nite Dinner, just crossed the bridge in to the oakland area, when I came to that section after the bridge where they start coning off the lanes to do road work. Everybody ahead of me suddenly started braking cuz I think they coned off more lanes than people thought they were gonna (because there wasn't any traffic backup before that, I assumed [incorrectly] that they had only shut down one lane, cuz the traffic should have been way worse had they shut down 2-3, right? Wrong!) Anyway, everybody realizes simultaneously that more than one lane is coned off, and they all suddenly start braking, and so the guy in front of me slams on his brakes, and of coure I must follow suit or plow into his rear end. Unfortunately, not enough room cuz we were all braking so quickly! So my brakes lock up & I slide right into him, and again unfortunately, he was driving one of those trucks whose bumper is elevated higher than the usual car, so rather than just hit up against his bumper, I slide under it and his bumper peels over my hood like a sardine can opener! My poor hood really does look like it lost a battle with a can opener, very strange looking. So when I hit him, the chain reaction goes on down the line, and I hear a couple more crashes behind me, and I just figure I'd been hit from behind too, altho it turns out they manged to miss me (you'd think I could tell whether or not I'd been hit from behind, but in all the hullaballoo, I couldn't tell until I'd gotten out and looked at the back). So any of you driving across the bay bridge towards oakland at about 11 pm last night who saw a string of accident cars along the side of the freeway, that was me! :P And again, I am thankful of everything that managed to not happen. There were injuries in the cars behind us, but luckily none of them had run into me, thus avoiding possible further injury to me and them, and it also served to make things way less complicated for me, as having a combination accident where I rear end somebody and simultaneously get rear-ended would make for one helluva insurance nightmare for everybody. Also, it turns out that I had just gotten around to registering my car, which had expired back in May, and I only got around to it in the past couple of weeks or so! My insurance was in order, my license was just renewed, everything (oddly enough) was in order. I had not drunk anything at all at Monday Nite Dinner, I was not driving back after having been fucked up at a rave and awake all night, all these things could have made things waaaay worse for me and anybody else involved. Nobody in our accident was injured (aside from a couple sore muscles in my neck), the guy I hit was very nice, the cops were amazingly nice :), so all in all, aside from the accident itself, everything went as well as it possibly could have. And I'm grateful to be alive! :) Love, Shawna Do not go gentle into that good night. Rave! Rave into the dawning of the light! * * * * * * * * * * * * * \|/ * * * * --O-- * * * /|\ * \O/ | _____/_\_____ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 19:10:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id TAA28726; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 19:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA28719; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 19:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA19330 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 19:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wck-ca13-19.ix.netcom.com (shawna-@wck-ca13-19.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.211]) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08671 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 19:08:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 19:08:36 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961007185904.352750f2@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer Subject: Re: Ground ZERO Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Remember that flyer size is usually inversely proportional to party quality > >A few possibly descriptive words for this party: suburban, circle dancing, >sportswear. Do any of these people who wear sportswear actually participate in sports? Perhaps we should require them to. ;) >This party is being promoted by the "6 in da mornin" crew. I saw some of >them on haight street a couple weeks ago. They were a sad lot -- two gold >hoops in each ear, gold chains, wearing nothing but a bunch of sportswear, >having a posturing attitude, looked pretty young and full of themselves. >They were thrusting their flyers in the faces of young (high school) girls. >It was funny how the girls fended off the flyers and promoters over and >over... it was really quite a sight to see. I wouldn't be surprised if I went over to my local Concord mall (just down the street!) and found flyers in the stores there, much like I did with the Lucky Charms party. (I was amused but saddened when I went to my co-workers house for dinner, and I got into a conversation with her 15-year old daughter about raves, and she hops up and says "wait a minute!", runs to her room, and runs back with the Famed Lucky Charms Flyer [xlr8r: "We are SO over cereal box flyers!"] in hand! This is pretty much what she assumed rave parties were about, and she had indeed gotten it at the mall, and had a hard time convincing her to look beyond that.) >If you were from their clique (maybe you dress/look like that and live in >say, Fremont or Concord :-) ), you'd think they were hot stuff I guess, but >they just looked like bad vibes all over to me... Hey that look is DA SHIT! ;) Or so I was told by my brother when I asked him why he dressed like that... >This whole "suburban sportswear rave" scene just reeks of burbs-livin' >white boys who watch way too much "Yo MTV Raps." Not much old school spirit >there, unless you count break dancing. :-) Yes, it's way better to wear something like strange nylon shirts with weird little televisions picked up in new york, along with black vinyl pants and black patent airwalks perhaps... ;);) Wayne's rave gear is "da shit" ("da bomb" even!), follow his lead & you'll all be way cool hip ravers! ;) (wayne, didja notice they now have the shiny black airwalks with the little hologram bits in 'em now? gotsta get me sum! :) -s Do not go gentle into that good night. Rave! Rave into the dawning of the light! * * * * * * * * * * * * * \|/ * * * * --O-- * * * /|\ * \O/ | _____/_\_____ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 19:17:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id TAA29355; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 19:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA29346; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 19:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 13474597.mcoe.k12.ca.us (silver.salinas.net [205.179.129.141]) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA31562 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:34:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:34:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199610090134.SAA31562@lettuce.salinas.net> X-Sender: silver@salinas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "SpinSilver--'Robertj@Monterey'" Subject: Greg&Cindy Phone#?-Rave Archives Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ........ I posted this a few weeks ago and got no response...so, I'm trying again. A friend fo mine has a great collection of flyers and posters dating back 5 years, and would like to contact them or other interested collectors.. ..does anyone have Greg&Cindy's..(F&F)..phone number??? I have a friend who is collecting rave posters and flyers and would like to contact the "archives."--- Thanks...........SpinSilver From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 20:11:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA05434; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email.sjsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA05422; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athens (athens [130.65.3.10]) by email.sjsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA15369 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:05:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dhiren P. Dasu" X-Sender: udu00726@athens To: sfraves Subject: looking for steveo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk greetings all you fellow raving lunatics I'm looking for steveo's e-mail address. I have some info for him regarding our charity conversation. I would appreciate any help in that direction. Thank you in advance, P,L,U, and R Dhiren From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 20:14:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA05790; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA05778; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06641; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.249] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22899; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:14:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19961007185904.352750f2@popd.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 19:53:05 -0700 To: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Hungry? Wizzins! Subject: Re: Ground ZERO Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 7:08 PM -0700 10/8/96, The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer wrote: >Yes, it's way better to wear something like strange nylon shirts with weird >little televisions picked up in new york, along with black vinyl pants and >black patent airwalks perhaps... ;);) Wayne's rave gear is "da shit" ("da >bomb" even!), follow his lead & you'll all be way cool hip ravers! ;) >(wayne, didja notice they now have the shiny black airwalks with the little >hologram bits in 'em now? gotsta get me sum! :) One sentence: I don't posture. :-) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 20:25:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA06912; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA06904; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA32466 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trose@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA28642 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:22:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Anthony Rose To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: should be working Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk but I found this instead...looks pretty neat...make sure & check out their extraterretrial groove project to find some new mixtapes! http://www.invasion.com/ * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* Tony Rose UC Berkeley CS http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~trose "kilroy was just a man whos circumstances went beyond his control" ************** ******* ***** *** ** * * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 20:33:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA07803; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA07791; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA24403; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:33:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Amy R Starkey cc: BRUCE ALVIN MCDONOUGH , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: subjective advice sought In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah!!! 'Technosis' is *great* and he has another one called 'Acid Test'; I haven't heard this one yet ( but, I don't think that I would be disapointed). Both are probaly still at Ameba=). Reagan On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Amy R Starkey wrote: > > > Get an Ethan mixtape!! > > love, > Amy > > ******* > ** ** > * * > * oo oo * > * oOOo oOOo * > * oOOo oOOo * > E.T.I. * oo oo * Is Here Now > * * > * * > * ____ * > * * > * * * > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 20:45:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA08885; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mas.atext.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA08878; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.atetx.com ([198.3.97.157]) by mas.atext.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA09874; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:43:44 -0700 Message-ID: <325B213D.4340@excite.com> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 20:51:25 -0700 From: John Kawamoto Organization: Excite, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Anthony Rose CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: any good new cds out? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi Paul, I don't know what kind of music you like but here are some of my favorites (Title - Artist, Type of Music): Loose Caboose - New DJ Dan continuous mix funky breakbeat deep house CD. Contains among others: Fat Boy Slim "Everybody Needs a 303", Electroliners "Loose Caboose", Electroliners "Crazy Train", Simon Pearson "Two Crates Original Mix". Clandestine Electronic Subculture - Symbiosis continuous mix trancey breakbeats CD. Contains all original tracks. Hunab Ku - Time Shard compilation funky trance and jungle CD. Contains all original tracks. Amrita - Loop Guru compilation world fusion funky jungle trance CD. Contains all original tracks. I tried my best to categorize these CDs but as you can tell they can't really be pigeon holed into one type of underground music which is why I like them so much. You can listen to all of these CDs before you buy them if you can get to any of the following record stores, all are listed in 411: Soundworks, SF Tweekin, SF Solid Grooves, SJ Peace, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 20:53:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA09655; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA09649; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id UAA15234; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:53:00 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id UAA12366; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:52:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: -->>JUST RELAX<<-- To: michal migurski cc: Aryck , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BEFORE all you guys start going off on Ground Zero being "another gangsta fest" why don't you just relax, ckeck it out for the music and create your own vibe....and stop bitching. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Liquid and I went to Fantasy Island, just the 2 of us, and had a kick ass time. Yeah we saw the flyer, yeah lots of you thought it to be just another "gangsta fest", yeah they didn't post the directions till hella late, but you wanna know something...that IS NOT what makes a RAVE. The music @ Fantasy Island was pretty phat, right from the start, and that IS something that makes a rave. We came with good spirits and with hopes of meeting up with some of our friends, so we had a good vibe and did run into some people we knew...again, what also MAKES a RAVE. Lots of raves are not easy to find...um hello...isn't that part of going to a rave. I mean if you want something "easy" to find go to club! Anyhow, I have said my piece...sorry if I offended *anyone* yours truly, MHg ___________ ___________ | _____ | | _____ | | [_____] | -={ RaVe On }=- | [_____] | | __ | | __ | | (__) | | (__) | ^ | | | | ^ \ | _____ | ^ ^ | _____ |/ <-- | / \ | / \ | / \ |--> <--^-- | | | | ---* 0 *---| | | | --^--> <-- | | (_) | | \ /-\ /| | (_) | |--> / | | | |_______==___==_______| | | |\ * | \_____/ | | \_____/ | * |___________|____|_____|_____|____|___________| \ o / \ / |__ o _ | ___\o | o/ o/__ /\ / \ /) | /o\ / ) | (\ / | o ) O/ < \ /\- -| /\O/ _/\ /\ /|_ \\ / / / / // ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- ) ______ ___ _________ ) ( ___ |/ /______ _______ /______ ________ ___ _____ ( ) __ /|_/ / _ __ `/_ __ / _ __ `/__ __ `__ \_ _ \ ) ( _ / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / /_/ / _ / / / / // __/ ) ) /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___/ ) ( ( ) ______ ___ mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ) ( ___ |/ /_____ ___________________ _______________ __( ) __ /|_/ / _ _ \__ ___/_ ___/_ / / /__ ___/__ / / /) ( _ / / / / __/_ / / /__ / /_/ / _ / _ /_/ / ( ) /_/ /_/ \___/ /_/ \___/ \__,_/ /_/ _\__, / ) ( /____/ ( ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 21:02:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id VAA10575; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA10569; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:02:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Behlendorf To: Brenda Brewer cc: frisco groovers Subject: Re: sfraves post archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Brenda Brewer wrote: > is there an archive of back posts? i was down there (from portland) this > weekend at Charity and accidently unsubbed before i left and missed all > the posts about this weekend. It's a little hard to chew, but check out http://hyperreal.com/raves/sf/archives/ It's all there. :) Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 21:11:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id VAA11388; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apa6.APA.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA11382; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.36.139.238] by apa6.APA.Berkeley.EDU with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:12:38 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: jtorres@ub4.apa.berkeley.edu (Jose Torres) Subject: Ground Zero & massives Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:12:38 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've been hearing all kind sof complaints about massives and specifically, Ground Zero. I'm not going to condemn anyone's point of view. You all have the right to rip on GZ as much as you please. Personally, I like to keep an open mind towards all raves. There are massives that are great and intimate raves that suck. I think that they quality of of raves should be accorded to its music. MegaBuzzOne was one hell of a massive. There were plenty of gangsters but the music was as phat as phat could be. When I close my eyes and start shakin my ass, I couldn't give a damn about gangsters or location or anything. Since everyone has the right to their own opinion, I'm not going to make this some passionate defense of massives. Of course, there are plenty of massives that suck. I'm just saying that I personally like to keep an open mind towards all raves. If the djs look great and the price is reasonable, I go whether its in a 10 people in a back alley or with 5,000 people in a stadium. I prefer smaller events but the mere size will usually not turn me away. Just my 2000 pesos worth Jose From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 21:19:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id VAA12181; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA12129; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:19:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24736 for Sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:18:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:18:30 -0400 Message-ID: <961009001829_122262751@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: WAYNE Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Alright Wayne you have been a little to naughty.. Prepare to be circled and danced around by a bunch of adidas sporting punk ass bitch mutha fuckers! _____If you were from their clique (maybe you dress/look like that and live in say, Fremont or Concord :-) ), you'd think they were hot stuff I guess, but they just looked like bad vibes all over to me..._____(Wayne wrote) Jonathan :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 21:46:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id VAA14671; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from libra.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA14663; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from glow@localhost) by libra.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id VAA04967 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:46:35 -0700 (PDT) From: BRUCE ALVIN MCDONOUGH Message-Id: <199610090446.VAA04967@libra.sfsu.edu> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: ccc # wanted Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi, does CCC have a number and would someone give it to me? I hear their parties are transcendantly wonderful. thanks, Bruce From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 21:58:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id VAA15589; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from junior.apk.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA15580; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (balbert@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20985; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:57:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Abbington Court Media To: BRUCE ALVIN MCDONOUGH cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ccc # wanted In-Reply-To: <199610090446.VAA04967@libra.sfsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > hi, > does CCC have a number and would someone give it to me? I hear their parties > are transcendantly wonderful. > thanks, > Bruce > Cuyahoga Community College 216-687-2000 "If at first you don't succeed, try CCC" :) Braden From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 22:03:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA16034; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA16020; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:02:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Anthonymad@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA02831 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 01:02:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 01:02:20 -0400 Message-ID: <961009010219_122284490@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Warm Nites! (NRR) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Friends, Aren't warm nights the BOMB? I love warm nights!!!!!!!!!! I don't know exactly what it is about warn nights that make me feel this way, but all I do know is I feel so alive, and vibrant! I'm always excited and filled with so much energy that if I don't tackle some sort of project, or do something vigorous to expend that energy I will just explode (BOOM)!!!!! And then when you compound that upon the fact that this time of year the weather is supposed to be getting a little cooler; instead we are experiencing a little Indian summer! How great is that? The last couple of days or so have been great! In order to cool my nerves a little, and release some of my overflowing energy waves that have turned my body into a Steve Simitiz prone dancing to Jungle! I'm sending out all the positive energy I have to all my SFRAVERS on this and any list they may be on! Lord knows that I already have enough energy as it is, and I don't need any of this extra energy generated by these warm evenings that we have been experiencing over the past couple of days, so I want all of you to have it! So take and do something positive with! Lord knows that this world could use a little positive energy now and then! Your Friend, Antone! PS - Steve I hope you don't take the little pun I made at your expense personal! I know we all love to watch your body move and contort your body in all sorts of strange ways when your going off! This is just my way of giving you Phat PROPS! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 22:03:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA16092; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA16063; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Anthonymad@aol.com Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA15353 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 01:02:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 01:02:40 -0400 Message-ID: <961009010237_122285142@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Warm Nites! (NRR) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Friends, Aren't warm nights the BOMB? I love warm nights!!!!!!!!!! I don't know exactly what it is about warn nights that make me feel this way, but all I do know is I feel so alive, and vibrant! I'm always excited and filled with so much energy that if I don't tackle some sort of project, or do something vigorous to expend that energy I will just explode (BOOM)!!!!! And then when you compound that upon the fact that this time of year the weather is supposed to be getting a little cooler; instead we are experiencing a little Indian summer! How great is that? The last couple of days or so have been great! In order to cool my nerves a little, and release some of my overflowing energy waves that have turned my body into a Steve Simitiz prone dancing to Jungle! I'm sending out all the positive energy I have to all my SFRAVERS on this and any list they may be on! Lord knows that I already have enough energy as it is, and I don't need any of this extra energy generated by these warm evenings that we have been experiencing over the past couple of days, so I want all of you to have it! So take and do something positive with! Lord knows that this world could use a little positive energy now and then! Your Friend, Antone! PS - Steve I hope you don't take the little pun I made at your expense personal! I know we all love to watch your body move and contort your body in all sorts of strange ways when your going off! This is just my way of giving you Phat PROPS! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 22:09:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA16557; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from melvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA16552; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plasticdreams.sonoma.edu (SA-6EN38.sonoma.edu) by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01IAEZFRC93K9TDQTJ@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 08 Oct 1996 22:09:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 22:11:07 -0700 From: Jonas Hanning Subject: Goa Mixtape Update! X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu To: SFRaves Message-id: <3.0b33.32.19961008221105.006aca14@sonoma.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b33 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm sorry for bringing this onto the list, but I had no choice. I have managed to locate a few copies of "Acid Rain over Goa", and they are on their way over from Sweden as we speak. However, there were not enough copies to make everyone happy. Therefore, I had to do it on a first come, first serve basis. If anyone else DESPERATELY wants a copy, please email me and we'll talk about it, k? ;) Last but not least, sorry for not getting back to you all sooner. reespect, jonas *********************************************************** * <> <<>> <> * * <<>> * * "still listening to wax, i'm not using the cd..." * *********************************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 22:11:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA16707; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA16697; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (star@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA25859; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: pluto.sfsu.edu: star owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:08:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@pluto To: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer cc: Friends&Family Subject: Corporate take-off flyers (was Re: Ground ZERO) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19961007185904.352750f2@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, I must say, even though I don't doubt that the Lucky Charms party left much to be desired (can't say for sure, I didn't go), I absolutely loved the flyer. In fact, it is still up on my wall. XLR8R may be "over" cereal box take-offs; I'm not. A cleverly done rip-off of a corporate logo for the purpose of promoting a party where people will be grooving till 6am on who knows what pills, and generally doing things most corporate types couldn't relate to, is funny! It's social satire of a fine nature, just like the "McSatan's" and "Submit" (Subway) logos at Burning Man... and the wonderful surreality of seeing two of the huge chef-hatted dog heads from the old Doggy Diner chain sitting out in the desert. I like a flyer that makes me smile, and I've also come to believe that artistic appropriation of intellectual property should be allowed -- as long as it's not to make a profit at the owners' expense by selling a competing product or something. In a society overburdened by commercialization, brand names, status symbols, corporate logos and slogans, humor is one of the few effective weapons at our disposal to try to improve this sorry situation and get lawyers, marketing folks, CEOs and others to take themselves a little less seriously. Just do it, ;) <<< Starchild >>> _______________________________________________________________________________ "Image is nothing. Thirst is everything." -Sprite commercial What was probably said in the boardroom afterward: "So, how's that new commercial affecting our image?" _______________________________________________________________________________ My computer tells me that on Tue, 8 Oct 1996, The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer shared (in part): > I wouldn't be surprised if I went over to my local Concord mall (just down > the street!) and found flyers in the stores there, much like I did with the > Lucky Charms party. (I was amused but saddened when I went to my co-workers > house for dinner, and I got into a conversation with her 15-year old > daughter about raves, and she hops up and says "wait a minute!", runs to her > room, and runs back with the Famed Lucky Charms Flyer [xlr8r: "We are SO > over cereal box flyers!"] in hand! This is pretty much what she assumed > rave parties were about, and she had indeed gotten it at the mall, and had a > hard time convincing her to look beyond that.) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 22:30:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA18125; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA18119; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11384 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.249] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25876 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:29:58 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Hungry? Eat! Subject: Re: -->>JUST RELAX<<-- Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 8:52 PM -0700 10/8/96, -=]madame mercury[=- wrote: >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > BEFORE all you guys start going off on Ground Zero being "another > gangsta fest" why don't you just relax, ckeck it out for the music > and create your own vibe....and stop bitching. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > Liquid and I went to Fantasy Island, just the 2 of us, and had a > kick ass time. Yeah we saw the flyer, yeah lots of you thought it to > be just another "gangsta fest", yeah they didn't post the > directions till hella late, but you wanna know something...that > IS NOT what makes a RAVE. One of the most important things that "makes a rave" for me is a group that is intent on positivity. And you just don't get that from a bunch of frontin' sportswear gansta kids. If the music is great, that is another key ingredient, but it alone will never make a good party. I hope it turns out OK, but, as in the past, the attitude on the flyer sets the stage for the attitude of the party. And remember, suburban is not necessarily a location, rather a state of mind. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 22:34:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA18378; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.community.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA18366; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n166.solano.community.net (n166.solano.community.net [140.174.119.166]) by odin.community.net with SMTP id WAA01621 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610090533.WAA01621@odin.community.net> X-Sender: cab@community.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: cab@community.net (chris barngraff) Subject: New Boy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all, Well this is my first time writing to the list, and i have NEVER EVER been to a rave, but i desperately want to go to one. I would prefer to go to a good one, because I know if i go to a bad one (is it possible?) i would not want to attend one again. I live in Fairfield, and am 20 and male. I would really appreciate some info on some up and coming raves that may be around the weekend of Oct. 18-20. Thanks for the bandwith and i hope to get to know some of you guys. Oh yeah, some one e-mail me privately and tell me what the usuall dress is like, like i said, i am a begginer, but i do have clubbing experiance. Would love to hear back from anybody. Thanks, Jake Chris Barngraff Jake Barngraff 325 East Utah St. Fairfield, Ca. 94533 E-Mail - cab@community.net HomePage-http://community.net/~cab/ Jakes' Homepage-http://www.community.net/~cab/jvb.html From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 22:53:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA19615; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA19607; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id WAA00488; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:53:31 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id WAA06197; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:53:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:53:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Ground ZERO To: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19961007185904.352750f2@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer wrote: [snippage] > I wouldn't be surprised if I went over to my local Concord mall (just down > the street!) and found flyers in the stores there, much like I did with the > Lucky Charms party. (I was amused but saddened when I went to my co-workers > house for dinner, and I got into a conversation with her 15-year old > daughter about raves, and she hops up and says "wait a minute!", runs to her > room, and runs back with the Famed Lucky Charms Flyer [xlr8r: "We are SO > over cereal box flyers!"] in hand! This is pretty much what she assumed > rave parties were about, and she had indeed gotten it at the mall, and had a > hard time convincing her to look beyond that.) [more snippage] I think one important point that many of us are missing here is that raves are many things for many people. Despite the fact that many people talk like "their" ideas of raving are the only legitimate or sincere ones around. The whole point of raving, I thought, was for a bunch of people to come together and enjoy the latest dance music and alternative enviroments. True, there are some raves I prefer over others, yet I try to see the value in all kinds of raves. Not every raver can have the same tastes in music and shouldn't. More to the point, not everyone is at the same place with their lives as others so they need something different. Personally I can't stand most jungle untill I see Steve [whatever his last name is] dancing to it and then it makes sense. I don't like dancing near circle dancers but I love to watch them. I especially hate the intimidating feel of gangs and gangsta types yet I will not deny them the right and freedom of raving. I would rather they have their own scene anyway rather than busting in on a CCC party ( although who knows what a CCC party may show them). Anyway just some random mental debris... hugz, Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 22:55:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA19772; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA19766; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Sami Khoury Message-Id: <199610090555.WAA19766@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: any good new cds out? To: trose@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Paul Anthony Rose) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Paul Anthony Rose" at Oct 8, 96 06:19:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > god, im sick of buying cds and having to take them back to lose 25% each > time because they suck...this has happened with the last 3 cd's I > bought...now I have another trade in and I dont want to pick crap > again!...has anyone heard any really good cd's that blew you away... > yeah...how about some etotally subjective reviews... Depending on where your tastes lie, you might try Dave Clarke's "Archive One" or Grey Boy's "Freestylin'". Granted, these two releases have absolutely *nothing* to do with each other stylistically, but I like 'em :) "Freestylin'" blew me away -- really funky jazzy stuff over down tempo beats and some scratching. "Archive One" is a collection of Dave Clarke's work over a couple of years, including Red's 1-3. There are maybe two or three week ones, but also some really good stuff as well. You can get both of these at Rasputin's or Mod Lang in Berkeley. Sami From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 23:22:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id XAA21607; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA21600; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id XAA03890; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:22:25 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id XAA22648; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:22:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: Re: Ground ZERO To: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19961007185904.352750f2@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The dancing/breaking that most of those "sportswearin'" folk bust out with can be classified, IMO, as an arobic activity that highly surpasses the phsical fatigue from golf, or ping pong... They probable got a hella of alot more rhythm than most other fucked up folks! MHg On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer wrote: > >Remember that flyer size is usually inversely proportional to party quality > > > >A few possibly descriptive words for this party: suburban, circle dancing, > >sportswear. > > > Do any of these people who wear sportswear actually participate in sports? > Perhaps we should require them to. ;) > > > >This party is being promoted by the "6 in da mornin" crew. I saw some of > >them on haight street a couple weeks ago. They were a sad lot -- two gold > >hoops in each ear, gold chains, wearing nothing but a bunch of sportswear, > >having a posturing attitude, looked pretty young and full of themselves. > >They were thrusting their flyers in the faces of young (high school) girls. > >It was funny how the girls fended off the flyers and promoters over and > >over... it was really quite a sight to see. > > > I wouldn't be surprised if I went over to my local Concord mall (just down > the street!) and found flyers in the stores there, much like I did with the > Lucky Charms party. (I was amused but saddened when I went to my co-workers > house for dinner, and I got into a conversation with her 15-year old > daughter about raves, and she hops up and says "wait a minute!", runs to her > room, and runs back with the Famed Lucky Charms Flyer [xlr8r: "We are SO > over cereal box flyers!"] in hand! This is pretty much what she assumed > rave parties were about, and she had indeed gotten it at the mall, and had a > hard time convincing her to look beyond that.) > > > >If you were from their clique (maybe you dress/look like that and live in > >say, Fremont or Concord :-) ), you'd think they were hot stuff I guess, but > >they just looked like bad vibes all over to me... > > > Hey that look is DA SHIT! ;) Or so I was told by my brother when I asked > him why he dressed like that... > > > >This whole "suburban sportswear rave" scene just reeks of burbs-livin' > >white boys who watch way too much "Yo MTV Raps." Not much old school spirit > >there, unless you count break dancing. :-) > > > Yes, it's way better to wear something like strange nylon shirts with weird > little televisions picked up in new york, along with black vinyl pants and > black patent airwalks perhaps... ;);) Wayne's rave gear is "da shit" ("da > bomb" even!), follow his lead & you'll all be way cool hip ravers! ;) > (wayne, didja notice they now have the shiny black airwalks with the little > hologram bits in 'em now? gotsta get me sum! :) > > > -s > > > > Do not go gentle into that good night. > Rave! Rave into the dawning of the light! > > > * * * > * * * * > * * * * * > * \|/ * * > * * --O-- * * > * /|\ * > > > \O/ > | > _____/_\_____ > > ___________ ___________ | _____ | | _____ | | [_____] | -={ RaVe On }=- | [_____] | | __ | | __ | | (__) | | (__) | ^ | | | | ^ \ | _____ | ^ ^ | _____ |/ <-- | / \ | / \ | / \ |--> <--^-- | | | | ---* 0 *---| | | | --^--> <-- | | (_) | | \ /-\ /| | (_) | |--> / | | | |_______==___==_______| | | |\ * | \_____/ | | \_____/ | * |___________|____|_____|_____|____|___________| \ o / \ / |__ o _ | ___\o | o/ o/__ /\ / \ /) | /o\ / ) | (\ / | o ) O/ < \ /\- -| /\O/ _/\ /\ /|_ \\ / / / / // ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- ) ______ ___ _________ ) ( ___ |/ /______ _______ /______ ________ ___ _____ ( ) __ /|_/ / _ __ `/_ __ / _ __ `/__ __ `__ \_ _ \ ) ( _ / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / /_/ / _ / / / / // __/ ) ) /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___/ ) ( ( ) ______ ___ mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ) ( ___ |/ /_____ ___________________ _______________ __( ) __ /|_/ / _ _ \__ ___/_ ___/_ / / /__ ___/__ / / /) ( _ / / / / __/_ / / /__ / /_/ / _ / _ /_/ / ( ) /_/ /_/ \___/ /_/ \___/ \__,_/ /_/ _\__, / ) ( /____/ ( ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 23:35:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id XAA22283; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanMateo01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA22278; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tiedye ([205.158.215.178]) by SanMateo01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11029) with SMTP id AAB8203; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:34:57 -0700 X-Sender: andy-pythagoras@sanmateo01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Niels P. Mayer" , Wayne Correia From: andy@pythagoras.org (Andrew Nourse) Subject: Re: RR: VOTING (was Re: NRR: Harry Browne On Radio Now! ) Cc: Starchild , Friends & Family Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:34:57 -0700 Message-ID: <19961009063455.AAB8203@tiedye> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Unfortunately... > when 10% of the vote gets eaten up by >Perot, 10% by the green party, and 10% by the libertarians ... > the abortion-over-my-dead-body-shit-fer-brains-christians >and the i-have-tons-of-money-that-i-earned-the-old-fashioned-way-by-fraud-and- >graft-and-wish-we-could-reestablish-slavery-ahh-the-good-old-days.... [You forgot THE MEDIA. They (^^^^^) own it. All of it.] ...might actually win, like they did in 1994, 1988, 1984, 1980... It really does make a difference. Reagan, Bush and the people who put them in power have dragged the country so far to the right that about all Clinton or anybody else could do for now is slow the rightward lurch down. That is very disappointing to all of us, but it's way better than what Dole would do. It took the Republicans 12 years to make this mess, it will take a lot longer to clean it up. The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 23:37:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id XAA22438; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA22429; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id XAA05642; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:37:41 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id XAA23477; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:37:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: Re: -->>JUST RELAX<<-- To: Hungry? Eat! cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Hungry? Eat! wrote: > At 8:52 PM -0700 10/8/96, -=]madame mercury[=- wrote: > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > BEFORE all you guys start going off on Ground Zero being "another > > gangsta fest" why don't you just relax, ckeck it out for the music > > and create your own vibe....and stop bitching. > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 1) "...as in the past, the attitude on the flyer sets the stage for the attitude of the party.' Flyers do not set the stage for anything, unless you are solely going by who is putting on the rave (even then that doesn't ring true -> Bankok Tribe put on Lucky Charms this past spring and they also just put on Fantasy Island) EX: the 2nd Fusion this summer and Omniscience, also this summer. 2) "a group that is intent on positivity. And you just don't get that from a bunch of frontin' sportswear gansta kids." Look, you're just falling into the world of stereotypes by believing that. My good raving friend Alan wears all that sportswear stuff and he's really sweet. Not to mention, I've met other nice people @ raves who are wearing that stuff. You seem to be a bit insecure. Anyway, the rave scene should be open to those who wish to participate. They can wear whatever they want! It's better than them being on the streets. At least they are participating in a worthwhile activity. MHg ___________ ___________ | _____ | | _____ | | [_____] | -={ RaVe On }=- | [_____] | | __ | | __ | | (__) | | (__) | ^ | | | | ^ \ | _____ | ^ ^ | _____ |/ <-- | / \ | / \ | / \ |--> <--^-- | | | | ---* 0 *---| | | | --^--> <-- | | (_) | | \ /-\ /| | (_) | |--> / | | | |_______==___==_______| | | |\ * | \_____/ | | \_____/ | * |___________|____|_____|_____|____|___________| \ o / \ / |__ o _ | ___\o | o/ o/__ /\ / \ /) | /o\ / ) | (\ / | o ) O/ < \ /\- -| /\O/ _/\ /\ /|_ \\ / / / / // ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- ) ______ ___ _________ ) ( ___ |/ /______ _______ /______ ________ ___ _____ ( ) __ /|_/ / _ __ `/_ __ / _ __ `/__ __ `__ \_ _ \ ) ( _ / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / /_/ / _ / / / / // __/ ) ) /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___/ ) ( ( ) ______ ___ mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ) ( ___ |/ /_____ ___________________ _______________ __( ) __ /|_/ / _ _ \__ ___/_ ___/_ / / /__ ___/__ / / /) ( _ / / / / __/_ / / /__ / /_/ / _ / _ /_/ / ( ) /_/ /_/ \___/ /_/ \___/ \__,_/ /_/ _\__, / ) ( /____/ ( ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Oct 8 23:44:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id XAA22854; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA22849; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id XAA06277; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:44:11 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id XAA23844; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:44:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: (( NEED Turntables )) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I now have the $ and am now asking all of you if you know the best place or method of hookin' up with some Technics and a mixer. New or used...rather in exspensive (not $500/table) lemme know, MHg ___________ ___________ | _____ | | _____ | | [_____] | -={ RaVe On }=- | [_____] | | __ | | __ | | (__) | | (__) | ^ | | | | ^ \ | _____ | ^ ^ | _____ |/ <-- | / \ | / \ | / \ |--> <--^-- | | | | ---* 0 *---| | | | --^--> <-- | | (_) | | \ /-\ /| | (_) | |--> / | | | |_______==___==_______| | | |\ * | \_____/ | | \_____/ | * |___________|____|_____|_____|____|___________| \ o / \ / |__ o _ | ___\o | o/ o/__ /\ / \ /) | /o\ / ) | (\ / | o ) O/ < \ /\- -| /\O/ _/\ /\ /|_ \\ / / / / // ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- ) ______ ___ _________ ) ( ___ |/ /______ _______ /______ ________ ___ _____ ( ) __ /|_/ / _ __ `/_ __ / _ __ `/__ __ `__ \_ _ \ ) ( _ / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / /_/ / _ / / / / // __/ ) ) /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___/ ) ( ( ) ______ ___ mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ) ( ___ |/ /_____ ___________________ _______________ __( ) __ /|_/ / _ _ \__ ___/_ ___/_ / / /__ ___/__ / / /) ( _ / / / / __/_ / / /__ / /_/ / _ / _ /_/ / ( ) /_/ /_/ \___/ /_/ \___/ \__,_/ /_/ _\__, / ) ( /____/ ( ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 00:36:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id AAA26489; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ferret.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id AAA26480; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip.net.slip.net [204.162.172.246] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 0.56 #2) id E0vAtBg-0001oW-00; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:36:17 -0700 Message-ID: <325B54D7.6E40@slip.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 00:31:35 -0700 From: Adam Mednick/philip diaz Organization: Euphonic Genesis X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: rave poetry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk my friend Mark came up with this at a party about six months ago when Mark from Ameba was spinning an outdoor party in SF. (he's the guy with the phunky pointy hat) the rave haiku made me think of it and i though i'd share it w/ you. Boom Boom Crazy Wacked DJ Crack! DJ Crack! Funky Whacked, What the Fuck Shit Shit it's crazy wacked !!!!!!@!#$%!# anywayz, if you ever see him (ameba Mark), call him dj crack. ps... Charity was phuckin kewl!! -adam From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 04:48:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id EAA18643; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 04:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip-3.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id EAA18637; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 04:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sf-asc-53-202.dialup.slip.net [206.14.14.202] by slip-3.slip.net with smtp (Exim 0.55 #2) id E0vAx7p-00073a-00; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 04:48:33 -0700 X-Sender: lazyd@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lazyd@slip.net (Mr. Flipped His Lid) Subject: Re: this Sat. Goa Gil B-day party Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 04:48:33 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This was a post that never made it out and was qued please disregard there is not another party this week. hopefully real soon though. Saturday night Is a full on Trance ritual/Goa Gil's birthday party. >He will be playing the whole night till late morning. for further info call >415-487-7817 >the event will be located in Berkley somwhere. directions will be put on the >voicemail on Saturday. > >Peace love & trees >(Mr. Flipped His Lid) > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 07:49:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id HAA01996; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip-3.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id HAA01990; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sf-asc-79-227.dialup.slip.net [206.14.14.227] by slip-3.slip.net with smtp (Exim 0.55 #2) id E0vAzxH-0000RA-00; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:49:51 -0700 X-Sender: lazyd@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lazyd@slip.net (Mr. Flipped His Lid) Subject: Re: this Sat. Goa Gil B-day party Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:49:51 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This was a post that never made it out and was qued please disregard there is not another party this week. hopefully real soon though. Saturday night Is a full on Trance ritual/Goa Gil's birthday party. >He will be playing the whole night till late morning. for further info call >415-487-7817 >the event will be located in Berkley somwhere. directions will be put on the >voicemail on Saturday. > >Peace love & trees >(Mr. Flipped His Lid) > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 08:29:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id IAA05825; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA05820; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <842751(17)>; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:28:52 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:24:25 PDT From: "King Jester" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: the weekend. Decisions, decisions Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <96Oct9.082852pdt.842751(17)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:24:25 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There's alot going on this weekend. Prop 215 Beni, great lineup with a few women DJs for a change. The most I've seen on a lineup in a loooong time. Planetarium, Ground Zero, Out-A-Sight, Tribal Future alot to choose from. What's everyone doing this weekend? The Jester "Anything for a Laugh" --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 08:43:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id IAA07241; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA07231; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scv2.apple.com ([17.128.100.120]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA30998; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:42:35 -0700 Received: from quickmail.apple.com (in-out.eqm.apple.com [17.130.8.39]) by scv2.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16160; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:44:05 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 9 Oct 1996 08:39:40 -0700 From: "Jason Green*" Subject: Re: -->>JUST RELAX<<-- To: "Hungry? Eat!" Cc: "sfraves" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>>-->>JUST RELAX<<-- <<>> I just wanted to say that you are SO RIGHT about this. I mean, if you are REALLY high, and can barely see straight, then SURE the music is going to be great - regardless of company. But positivity is what it is about, and always has been about (the rave scene) - not just good music. Personally, I would much rather have a detailed coversation about raised consciousness, beautiful music, or SOMETHING positive, rather than say, watching people circle dance while talking about "macking bitches." And as so many say, "just my $0.02." Happy trails.... _jason_ -------------------------------------- Date: 10/8/96 10:36 PM To: Jason Green* From: Hungry? Eat! At 8:52 PM -0700 10/8/96, -=]madame mercury[=- wrote: >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > BEFORE all you guys start going off on Ground Zero being "another > gangsta fest" why don't you just relax, ckeck it out for the music > and create your own vibe....and stop bitching. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > Liquid and I went to Fantasy Island, just the 2 of us, and had a > kick ass time. Yeah we saw the flyer, yeah lots of you thought it to > be just another "gangsta fest", yeah they didn't post the > directions till hella late, but you wanna know something...that > IS NOT what makes a RAVE. One of the most important things that "makes a rave" for me is a group that is intent on positivity. And you just don't get that from a bunch of frontin' sportswear gansta kids. If the music is great, that is another key ingredient, but it alone will never make a good party. I hope it turns out OK, but, as in the past, the attitude on the flyer sets the stage for the attitude of the party. And remember, suburban is not necessarily a location, rather a state of mind. ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by quickmail.apple.com with ADMIN;8 Oct 1996 22:35:43 -0700 Received: from mail-in2.apple.com (mail-in2.apple.com [17.254.0.58]) by federal-excess.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19245; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from taz.hyperreal.com ([204.152.144.36]) by mail-in2.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23352; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA18143; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA18125; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA18119; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11384 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.249] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25876 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:29:58 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Hungry? Eat! Subject: Re: -->>JUST RELAX<<-- Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 09:46:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA13673; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gcwf.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA13588; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SOCAL-Message_Server by gcwf.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Oct 1996 09:44:24 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 09:47:15 -0700 From: Ariel Stallings To: kingjester@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: the weekend. Decisions, decisions -Reply Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm all for the 215 Benifit...it's a good cause to party for and a good line-up (go women!) Tribal Future is too long of a drive, and Ground Zero? Hmm, just looks a little too big for my taste. Ariel From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 10:04:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA15878; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA15871; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:04:40 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id NAA04530; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:03:57 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02675; Wed, 9 Oct 96 10:03:56 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 25BDB150; Wed, 9 Oct 96 10:04:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:01:38 -0700 Message-Id: <25BDB150.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Re: New Boy To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, cab@community.net (chris barngraff) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well--- this is a good question to ask, and it comes up again and again. there really is no clear definite answer as to what to wear to a rave. since we live in a society where we are judged by how we look and what we wear, but... sportswear is always in! some others on the list might not approve, but the people that wear sportswear will like you. there are no rules, but if you wear sportswear, you may want to consider breakdancing. Please don't take up too much room, as this will gravely insult the people that don't like breakdancing or people who wear sportswear. or you could go for the trippy hippy look. this should prove to be quite sylish unless you are at a party with mostly breakdancers wearing sportswear. If you want to really "stick out" in the crowd, you may dress as a clown or something like that. I would not suggest dressing as a newscaster or a corporate executive because, well, um, it just wouldn't be too comfortable for the bump-n-grind that is likely to happen. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: New Boy Author: cab@community.net (chris barngraff) at ccsmtp Date: 10/8/96 10:33 PM Hey all, Well this is my first time writing to the list, and i have NEVER EVER been to a rave, but i desperately want to go to one. I would prefer to go to a good one, because I know if i go to a bad one (is it possible?) i would not want to attend one again. I live in Fairfield, and am 20 and male. I would really appreciate some info on some up and coming raves that may be around the weekend of Oct. 18-20. Thanks for the bandwith and i hope to get to know some of you guys. Oh yeah, some one e-mail me privately and tell me what the usuall dress is like, like i said, i am a begginer, but i do have clubbing experiance. Would love to hear back from anybody. Thanks, Jake Chris Barngraff Jake Barngraff 325 East Utah St. Fairfield, Ca. 94533 E-Mail - cab@community.net HomePage-http://community.net/~cab/ Jakes' Homepage-http://www.community.net/~cab/jvb.html From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 10:08:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA16166; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA16125; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id NAA05041; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:07:56 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02888; Wed, 9 Oct 96 10:07:56 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 25BDC040; Wed, 9 Oct 96 10:08:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:04:55 -0700 Message-Id: <25BDC040.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: The Deep To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Down below sea level, there was a nice party goin on. When we rose to periscope depth, we observed someone named (Melody?) I dunno, als i know is she was pretty darned good. deepfog ps don't drive to santa cruz at 4:30 pm. it just doesn't happen very fast. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 10:22:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA17620; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA17609; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id KAA03941; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:20:42 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:20:32 -0800 To: Ariel Stallings , kingjester@hotmail.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: the weekend. Decisions, decisions -Reply Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 9:47 AM -0700 10/9/96, Ariel Stallings wrote: >Tribal Future is too long of a drive, and Ground Zero? Hmm, just >looks a little too big for my taste. Planitarium! Great line-up, shorter drive, camp-out... =) Word is it's on a mountain top, offering an amazing panoramic stellar view (thus the name)... TR From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 10:33:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA18736; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mhhaa.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA18729; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from notes2.compuserve.com ([149.174.221.56]) by mhhaa.compuserve.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA11693.; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by notes2.compuserve.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.17/2.0) id AA4820; Wed, 09 Oct 96 13:33:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9610091733.AA4820@notes2.compuserve.com> Received: by External Gateway (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 33EB2F0BAAC70000882563BE0058A86F; Wed, 9 Oct 96 13:33:44 To: sfraves From: "nathan.b.beckord" Date: 9 Oct 96 9:39:27 Subject: another cd suggest request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Howdy folks- Since we're already talking about suggested albums, could anyone suggest the following: 1. a really TRIPPY, Trippy trippy trippy, techno cd, kinda hardcore, something with lot's of low frequency tones, and haunting, surreal-ish feel? Anything out there that kind of sends shivers down your back when you listen to it, and makes you feel like you're having a flashback? And you can only listen to it every now and then, because it's just too eerie? 2. a killer ambient disc, something mellow, that you would listen to while watching the sunrise, meditating, reading a book on a rainy day, etc. Emphasis on mellow. I'm slowly building a collection, and have the need for these two "types" of music in order to complete the puzzle and find the golden monkey. I would really appreciate any suggestions regarding these, as well as where to find them. I've found it hard, like (trose??), to know what the hell to buy. It's not like mainstream music, where you'll hear a song on das radio or at a friend's pad, and that leads you on a trail. Oh... one more question.... Who is the artist (female), of that older housy song that was out a few years ago, that went: So baby if you want me, you've got to show me love words are so easy to (hide??) oh ah, you've got to show me luh-huv etc. Thanks!! Nathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 10:38:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA19326; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA19319; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA01674; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:38:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:38:28 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199610091738.KAA01674@netcom17.netcom.com> To: ASTALLINGS@gcwf.com CC: kingjester@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: (message from Ariel Stallings on Wed, 09 Oct 1996 09:47:15 -0700) Subject: Re: the weekend. Decisions, decisions -Reply Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 09:47:15 -0700 > From: Ariel Stallings > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com > > > I'm all for the 215 Benifit...it's a good cause to party for and a > good line-up (go women!) Agreed... 215 is a mere walking distance from home (like 2 blocks) anyway :) > > Tribal Future is too long of a drive, and Ground Zero? Hmm, just > looks a little too big for my taste. > > Well, there's always the Cloud Factory campout, but that again involves some driving... I might flip a coin on that one. Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com saturn5@cyborganic.net | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 10:45:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA20049; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA20043; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA08751 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (plunkett@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA11408 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:43:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:43:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew James Plunkett cc: sfraves Subject: Re: another cd suggest request In-Reply-To: <9610091733.AA4820@notes2.compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On 9 Oct 1996, nathan.b.beckord wrote: [. . .] > 1. a really TRIPPY, Trippy trippy trippy, techno cd, kinda hardcore, Anything by Autechre. > 2. a killer ambient disc, something mellow, that you would listen to while Aphex Twin, Selected ambient works 1985-1992 (not the 2nd one!!) . . . a classic -Matt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 11:18:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id LAA23773; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA23768; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA24597; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:15:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199610091815.LAA24597@netcom11.netcom.com> To: John Kawamoto Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: any good new cds out? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Oct 96 20:51:25 PDT." <325B213D.4340@excite.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 11:15:53 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Total agreement on DJ Dan's "Loose Caboose". Other good'uns I recently picked up include Doc Martin "Unlock Your Mind" (moonshine) -- this seems to be Moonshine's second Doc Martin release (the first being United DJ's of America or whateveritscalled series). This has Garth and ETI's "Twenty Minues of Disco Glory (Acid Rock Mix)" which Garth Played at B.M on Sunday morning and I've been "humming" ever since... More tips of the hat to the SF Scene include Simon Pearson (Come-Unity Records) "Two Crates"... Trance Europe Express, volume 2, 3, and 4. (compilations). These are really expensive at tower, cheaper at Reckless -- $16.00 for a double CD -- prety good deal on volumes 2+4. Textures (trance europe express vols 1,2,3,4 mixes by Alex Patterson and that guy from underworld whose name i can't remember). Pretty Expensive ($25 for 2 CDs) and when I got it home, there was spoo all over the back of both CD's so I cleaned 'em well enough to play them w/o skipping my CD player, digitally copied 'em to DAT tape and returned them as defective :-). All other copies at the store had similar spoo all over the CD's. After listening again, I'd say save your money and get Trance Europe Express vol 2,3,4. First, Alex Patterson's mixing and song selection is kinda lame (IMHO); second, you can hear pops/clicks from the vinyl sources from which the DJ's were mixing -- this is really annoying to hear on a CD. Third, perhaps due to the fact that this stuff was recorded off an LP, through a mixer, and back to the CD, the material sounds kind of sonically dead. Since I can probably mix better than Alex Patterson and already have Trance Europe Express vols 2,3,4, there seems to be no point to having this CD... Squarepusher. "Feed Me Weird Things." Rephlex Records. Pretty Fucking Expensive CD ~$22.00 -- I totally love about half the songs on here, and am quite bored with the other half. Very interesting stuff. Trainspotters might describe this as Dali's Car does Intelligent Drum and Bass Speed-Jazz. 100% Drum&Bass. 2 CD Telstar compilation. Ignore the D&B instrumental version of the Prodigy's "Firestarter" (blech!) and most of the tracks on here are pretty nice. A few are great. Speedy J "G Spot" -- 2 CD set w/ old 1994/5 album containing old standards like "The Fun Equations" (also on Trance Europe Express volume 2). Second CD contains live mix of Speedy J mixing his own material. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 11:21:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id LAA24172; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA24120; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id LAA06131; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:19:51 -0700 Received: from dtbds5.EBay.Sun.COM by Ebay.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id LAA12093; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:19:44 -0700 Received: by dtbds5.EBay.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA04844; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:18:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:18:13 -0700 From: guillermo.lemus@Ebay.Sun.COM (Guillermo Lemus) Message-Id: <199610091818.LAA04844@dtbds5.EBay.Sun.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: OUT-A-SIGHT INSIGHT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings, I plan on going to OAS to see Doc Martin spin for the first time. Anyone have any comment on OAS parties and does any one know Doc's time slot? And is anyone else plan on attending? Peace, Pot, Micro-dot VERTIGO From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 11:28:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id LAA24721; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA24708; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:28:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Sami Khoury To: "nathan.b.beckord" cc: sfraves Subject: Re: another cd suggest request In-Reply-To: <9610091733.AA4820@notes2.compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > 1. a really TRIPPY, Trippy trippy trippy, techno cd, kinda hardcore, something > with lot's of low frequency tones, and haunting, surreal-ish feel? Anything out > there that kind of sends shivers down your back when you listen to it, and > makes you feel like you're having a flashback? And you can only listen to it > every now and then, because it's just too eerie? > > 2. a killer ambient disc, something mellow, that you would listen to while > watching the sunrise, meditating, reading a book on a rainy day, etc. Emphasis > on mellow. Hmm, I've got one that falls almost exactly between these two -- because it's mellow, beatless, and completely eerie in just the way you describe (trippy, flashback-inducing, etc). It's called "Symphony of the Planets: NASA Voyager Recordings" and claims to be selections of recorded material from Voyagers I and II as they picked up the electromagnetic interaction of solar wind and the magnetosphere of Jupiter and Saturn. This cd would be perfect for any chill room because it's so nebulous -- there really isn't any musical structure to speak of. Just lots and lots of texture... and bass :) Whether or not it's true is up for speculation, I guess, but it really does sound amazing. You should be able to find it at Tower or any other mainstream music store. Sami From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 11:41:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id LAA26169; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass-station.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA26161; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.76.139.151] by bass-station.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:35:15 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199610081711.KAA16554@libra.sfsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Ethan Miller Subject: Re: subjective advice sought Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:35:15 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 7:20 PM -0000 10/8/96, Amy R Starkey wrote: >Get an Ethan mixtape!! > >love, >Amy Geez, thanks for the plug... =) Alas, every store is now out of my mix tapes.. however, you can mail order them from the FnF website at: http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/ I should have tapes back in stores sometime this month *including* Live @ Friends & Family 7.27.96 and hopefully Live @ MAD 2.12.96 which I know some of you have heard...this set is also coming out as an extremely limited (cos I got no $) 2 CD set... =) So stay tuned. take it easy ethan ---------- --------------------------------------------------- ---------- ---------- ------------------( ethan miller )----------------- ---------- ---------- ----------( http://www.bass-station.com )---------- ---------- ---------- -------------( only users lose drugs )------------- ---------- ---------- --------------------------------------------------- ---------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 11:51:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id LAA27417; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA27245; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbksh28952; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp108.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AB21735; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:56:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:56:47 -0700 Message-Id: <9610091856.AB21735@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "-=]madame mercury[=-" From: Aryck Subject: Re: Ground ZERO Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:22 PM 10/8/96 -0700, you wrote: > > > The dancing/breaking that most of those "sportswearin'" folk > bust out with can be classified, IMO, as an arobic activity > that highly surpasses the phsical fatigue from golf, or ping > pong... > They probable got a hella of alot more rhythm than > most other fucked up folks! > > MHg > > > >On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer wrote: > >> >Remember that flyer size is usually inversely proportional to party quality >> > >> >A few possibly descriptive words for this party: suburban, circle dancing, >> >sportswear. >> >> >> Do any of these people who wear sportswear actually participate in sports? >> Perhaps we should require them to. ;) >> >> >> >This party is being promoted by the "6 in da mornin" crew. I saw some of >> >them on haight street a couple weeks ago. They were a sad lot -- two gold >> >hoops in each ear, gold chains, wearing nothing but a bunch of sportswear, >> >having a posturing attitude, looked pretty young and full of themselves. >> >They were thrusting their flyers in the faces of young (high school) girls. >> >It was funny how the girls fended off the flyers and promoters over and >> >over... it was really quite a sight to see. >> >> >> I wouldn't be surprised if I went over to my local Concord mall (just down >> the street!) and found flyers in the stores there, much like I did with the >> Lucky Charms party. (I was amused but saddened when I went to my co-workers >> house for dinner, and I got into a conversation with her 15-year old >> daughter about raves, and she hops up and says "wait a minute!", runs to her >> room, and runs back with the Famed Lucky Charms Flyer [xlr8r: "We are SO >> over cereal box flyers!"] in hand! This is pretty much what she assumed >> rave parties were about, and she had indeed gotten it at the mall, and had a >> hard time convincing her to look beyond that.) >> >> >> >If you were from their clique (maybe you dress/look like that and live in >> >say, Fremont or Concord :-) ), you'd think they were hot stuff I guess, but >> >they just looked like bad vibes all over to me... >> >> >> Hey that look is DA SHIT! ;) Or so I was told by my brother when I asked >> him why he dressed like that... >> >> >> >This whole "suburban sportswear rave" scene just reeks of burbs-livin' >> >white boys who watch way too much "Yo MTV Raps." Not much old school spirit >> >there, unless you count break dancing. :-) >> >> >> Yes, it's way better to wear something like strange nylon shirts with weird >> little televisions picked up in new york, along with black vinyl pants and >> black patent airwalks perhaps... ;);) Wayne's rave gear is "da shit" ("da >> bomb" even!), follow his lead & you'll all be way cool hip ravers! ;) >> (wayne, didja notice they now have the shiny black airwalks with the little >> hologram bits in 'em now? gotsta get me sum! :) >> >> >> -s >> >> >> >> Do not go gentle into that good night. >> Rave! Rave into the dawning of the light! >> >> >> * * * >> * * * * >> * * * * * >> * \|/ * * >> * * --O-- * * >> * /|\ * >> >> >> \O/ >> | >> _____/_\_____ >> >> > > ___________ ___________ > | _____ | | _____ | > | [_____] | -={ RaVe On }=- | [_____] | > | __ | | __ | > | (__) | | (__) | > ^ | | | | ^ > \ | _____ | ^ ^ | _____ |/ > <-- | / \ | / \ | / \ |--> > <--^-- | | | | ---* 0 *---| | | | --^--> > <-- | | (_) | | \ /-\ /| | (_) | |--> > / | | | |_______==___==_______| | | |\ > * | \_____/ | | \_____/ | * > |___________|____|_____|_____|____|___________| > > \ o / \ / |__ o _ > | ___\o | o/ o/__ /\ > / \ /) | /o\ / ) | (\ / | > > o ) O/ > < \ /\- -| /\O/ > _/\ /\ /|_ \\ > / / / / // >->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- >) ______ ___ _________ ) >( ___ |/ /______ _______ /______ ________ ___ _____ ( >) __ /|_/ / _ __ `/_ __ / _ __ `/__ __ `__ \_ _ \ ) >( _ / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / /_/ / _ / / / / // __/ ) >) /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___/ ) >( ( >) ______ ___ mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ) >( ___ |/ /_____ ___________________ _______________ __( >) __ /|_/ / _ _ \__ ___/_ ___/_ / / /__ ___/__ / / /) >( _ / / / / __/_ / / /__ / /_/ / _ / _ /_/ / ( >) /_/ /_/ \___/ /_/ \___/ \__,_/ /_/ _\__, / ) >( /____/ ( >->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- > > > Hey, if you go to LA, they have Vans like that too. Yep, I had the burgundy airwalks before I even saw them in stores. I had to special order them for like 3 months before they actually came in. Then, every little dork in my neighborhood thought they were being "diffirent" or "crazy" for buying them and wearing them. They even sell them at pacific sunwear! Too many people trying to be diffirent, I gave that up a long time ago, now I just try to be better than thou. I wore those damn shoes till every little peice started decaying and falling off (don't get them wet). About what you were talking about. I'm a circle dancer. Usually one forms near me and before I know it, I have to be in the middle to have enough space to dance how I wanna. I've met some cool gangsta lookin people. They were friendly. Most are just there to get fucked or get some chicks. I'm not saying that just cuz you look like a gangsta that you have too get fucked and check out the chicks, I was just sayin that the majority that I've seen do. I usually just dress in something I feel comfy in. I can't dance with too heavy of clothes on. I usually like really baggy duds cuz they complement my dancing more and are more airy. Usually though, I'll wear something that'll look cool under certain lights like: White gloves, Bright shirts, Something hanging from my pants, Or wierd striped things. I always have my chain, I've worn it non-stop for a couple years. It goes a little past my knee and it clears a 5 foot circle around me when I dance. Yep. That's what I was thinkin. Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 11:56:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id LAA28250; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA28240; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbksh00435; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp108.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21887; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:02:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:02:45 -0700 Message-Id: <9610091902.AA21887@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: cab@community.net (chris barngraff) From: Aryck Subject: Re: New Boy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:33 PM 10/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hey all, > Well this is my first time writing to the list, and i have NEVER EVER >been to a rave, but i desperately want to go to one. I would prefer to go >to a good one, because I know if i go to a bad one (is it possible?) i would >not want to attend one again. I live in Fairfield, and am 20 and male. I >would really appreciate some info on some up and coming raves that may be >around the weekend of Oct. 18-20. Thanks for the bandwith and i hope to get >to know some of you guys. Oh yeah, some one e-mail me privately and tell me >what the usuall dress is like, like i said, i am a begginer, but i do have >clubbing experiance. Would love to hear back from anybody. > > Thanks, > Jake >Chris Barngraff >Jake Barngraff >325 East Utah St. >Fairfield, Ca. 94533 >E-Mail - cab@community.net >HomePage-http://community.net/~cab/ >Jakes' Homepage-http://www.community.net/~cab/jvb.html > > > > > > > > Just so you know. Things that make up a good party: #1 You have a killer ass time. Things that make a party suck: #1 You don't have a killer ass time. Basically thats it. But I've never not had fun. My friends have hated some parties we'd go to, but then again what they do for fun is get fucked on beer and weed. My Idea of fun is dancing, listening to music, being with friends with a killer attitude, and meeting new friends. It's all pretty simple. Say cheese:) Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 12:01:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA28868; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA28859; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id MAA01556; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:00:23 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:00:18 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Planetarium Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Several people have asked for info on Planetarium. Yes, it is the Cloud Factory "thing". Here's what the web site says, but I know there are more DJs. (In fact, if people can stomach it I might play some funk/disco sounds. But certainly not during peak hours. =) Saturday, October 12nd - Cloud Factory presents Planetarium proceeds split between Cloud Factory Sound Fund / Omar's Healing Fund drenalin, inTIMidator, deaks, cloud, brian flipp, maya, k-go (st.louis), swoops, jeyson, spinsilver, gizmo (eug), jeremy/tim (live pa), mike clay (live pa), jason (sd), lee, astronaut scott, jeff (lettuce dance), stonie, monty, joe rice, brad (c-lab), guests. runs thru Sunday $15. mendocino. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 12:02:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA29123; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from goonsquad.spies.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA29115; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:02:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1996-Aug-2) Message-Id: From: sho@goonsquad.spies.com (Sho Kuwamoto) Subject: another cd suggest request To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Since we're already talking about suggested albums, could anyone suggest the > following: > > 1. a really TRIPPY, Trippy trippy trippy, techno cd, kinda hardcore, something > with lot's of low frequency tones, and haunting, surreal-ish feel? Anything out > there that kind of sends shivers down your back when you listen to it, and > makes you feel like you're having a flashback? And you can only listen to it > every now and then, because it's just too eerie? Haunting, surrealistic techno, eh? You might want to try: Basic Channel One of the most influential techno labels of recent years. Hauntingly dark and beautiful, lush with murkiness, and hypnotically repetitive. One warning: the music is very repetitive, and may be hard to "get" at first. There are ten or so basic channel 12"s, and another five or ten 12"s on the side, as well as a compilation CD. For a good review of BC06, read You might also try the "Usability Now" CD, which is an Infonet compilation. Now if you were interested in vinyl, I could make TONS of recommendations... :) -Sho From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 12:09:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA29844; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA29835; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:09:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Thomas To: "nathan.b.beckord" cc: sfraves Subject: Re: another cd suggest request In-Reply-To: <9610091733.AA4820@notes2.compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On 9 Oct 1996, nathan.b.beckord wrote: > 2. a killer ambient disc, something mellow, that you would listen to while > watching the sunrise, meditating, reading a book on a rainy day, etc. Emphasis > on mellow. check out the deep space network live disk - "traffic" (km20). and the new elfish echo - "sato yumiko" (also on km20) is a must if you're into quirky experimental electronic music (ala atom heart). also, dj spooky's songs of a dead dreamer (asphodel) has some suprisingly good ambient, perfect for a rainy day. and there's a recent dbl. cd fax collection entitled "genetic drift" that gives a decent overview of the label... but my current favorite cd is the new warp compilation - blechdottir, tracks spanning the warp back catalogue (autechre, aphex, plaid, + lots more) starting with a very crunchy disjecta cut and excellent mixing provided by the dj food guys. you can find all of these at dropbeat (www.dropbeat.com) in oakland. it's a relatively new shop but they have a great selection and their prices are the best in the area. the staff is very knowledgeable, they should be able to help you find whatever you're looking for (as long as you're not looking for goa trance ;). soundworks (in sf) should have most of these too... andy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 12:12:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA00297; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hupa.snfc21.pbi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA00285; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (ppp-206-170-0-38.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.0.38]) by hupa.snfc21.pbi.net (8.7.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA27237; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325BF931.374E@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 12:12:49 -0700 From: PETER FOGEL X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBWE (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aryck CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Ground ZERO References: <9610091856.AB21735@heald.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Aryck wrote: > have my chain, I've worn it non-stop for a couple years. It goes a little > past my knee and it clears a 5 foot circle around me when I dance. > dance space hog :) hope you don't do that when its crowded. :) peter From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 12:15:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA00635; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dec-5.CE.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA00624; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dec-5.CE.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20492; Wed, 9 Oct 96 12:15:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Cohen" To: "nathan.b.beckord" Cc: sfraves Subject: Re: another cd suggest request In-Reply-To: <9610091733.AA4820@notes2.compuserve.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On 9 Oct 1996, nathan.b.beckord wrote: > Howdy folks- > > Since we're already talking about suggested albums, could anyone suggest the > following: > > 1. a really TRIPPY, Trippy trippy trippy, techno cd, kinda hardcore, something > with lot's of low frequency tones, and haunting, surreal-ish feel? Anything out > there that kind of sends shivers down your back when you listen to it, and > makes you feel like you're having a flashback? And you can only listen to it > every now and then, because it's just too eerie? > > 2. a killer ambient disc, something mellow, that you would listen to while > watching the sunrise, meditating, reading a book on a rainy day, etc. Emphasis > on mellow. > > > I'm slowly building a collection, and have the need for these two "types" of > music in order to complete the puzzle and find the golden monkey. I would > really appreciate any suggestions regarding these, as well as where to find > them. I've found it hard, like (trose??), to know what the hell to buy. It's > not like mainstream music, where you'll hear a song on das radio or at a > friend's pad, and that leads you on a trail. I prolly have more suggestions for #2. There was a radio show called electronica that I used to listen to that offered a great depth of music from the ambient/electronic genre: 1) Sunelectric: The kitchen album>>>>>>>>'sarotti' and ':) and :(' are classics that i wish would last 10x longer. 2)Delirium: semantic spaces and both spheres albums>>>>I believe these were side projects of front line assembly members. The first track on semantic has beautiful vocals that if anyone knows where i could find more stuff with her voice i'd be most appreciative to find out. 3) Cabaret Voltaire:the conversation>>>>>>>double cd with an epic 59 min track Sorry I cant suggest where to find them in the area...im fresh, but they shouldn't be that hard to find. j From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 12:20:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA01141; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA01124; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbksj05320; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp108.hayward.heald.edu (ppp111.hayward.heald.edu) by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22476; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:26:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:26:21 -0700 Message-Id: <9610091926.AA22476@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Aryck Subject: Who's where??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think everyone should tell a little about themselves, and where they live. It'd put some personalities in with these voiceless words. Say cheese:) Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 12:20:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA01193; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA01142; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbksj05330; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp111.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AB22476; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:26:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:26:23 -0700 Message-Id: <9610091926.AB22476@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Starchild From: Aryck Subject: Re: Corporate take-off flyers (was Re: Ground ZERO) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:08 PM 10/8/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Dear Friends & Family, > > I must say, even though I don't doubt that the Lucky Charms party >left much to be desired (can't say for sure, I didn't go), I absolutely >loved the flyer. In fact, it is still up on my wall. > XLR8R may be "over" cereal box take-offs; I'm not. A cleverly >done rip-off of a corporate logo for the purpose of promoting a party >where people will be grooving till 6am on who knows what pills, and >generally doing things most corporate types couldn't relate to, is funny! > It's social satire of a fine nature, just like the "McSatan's" and >"Submit" (Subway) logos at Burning Man... and the wonderful surreality of >seeing two of the huge chef-hatted dog heads from the old Doggy Diner >chain sitting out in the desert. > I like a flyer that makes me smile, and I've also come to believe >that artistic appropriation of intellectual property should be allowed -- >as long as it's not to make a profit at the owners' expense by selling a >competing product or something. > In a society overburdened by commercialization, brand names, >status symbols, corporate logos and slogans, humor is one of the few >effective weapons at our disposal to try to improve this sorry situation >and get lawyers, marketing folks, CEOs and others to take themselves a >little less seriously. > >Just do it, ;) > <<< Starchild >>> > >_______________________________________________________________________________ >"Image is nothing. Thirst is everything." -Sprite commercial > >What was probably said in the boardroom afterward: >"So, how's that new commercial affecting our image?" >_______________________________________________________________________________ > > >My computer tells me that on Tue, 8 Oct 1996, The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer >shared (in part): > >> I wouldn't be surprised if I went over to my local Concord mall (just down >> the street!) and found flyers in the stores there, much like I did with the >> Lucky Charms party. (I was amused but saddened when I went to my co-workers >> house for dinner, and I got into a conversation with her 15-year old >> daughter about raves, and she hops up and says "wait a minute!", runs to her >> room, and runs back with the Famed Lucky Charms Flyer [xlr8r: "We are SO >> over cereal box flyers!"] in hand! This is pretty much what she assumed >> rave parties were about, and she had indeed gotten it at the mall, and had a >> hard time convincing her to look beyond that.) > > > Flyers are art. That's all. I kinda think people who post flyers up on their walls are a little goofy but that's just me. My girlfriend does that, I think it's annoying. Kinda like being a poser or something. Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 12:20:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA01222; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA01162; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbksj05344; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp111.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AC22476; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:26:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:26:26 -0700 Message-Id: <9610091926.AC22476@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer From: Aryck Subject: Re: Ground ZERO Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 07:08 PM 10/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >>Remember that flyer size is usually inversely proportional to party quality >> >>A few possibly descriptive words for this party: suburban, circle dancing, >>sportswear. > > >Do any of these people who wear sportswear actually participate in sports? >Perhaps we should require them to. ;) > > >>This party is being promoted by the "6 in da mornin" crew. I saw some of >>them on haight street a couple weeks ago. They were a sad lot -- two gold >>hoops in each ear, gold chains, wearing nothing but a bunch of sportswear, >>having a posturing attitude, looked pretty young and full of themselves. >>They were thrusting their flyers in the faces of young (high school) girls. >>It was funny how the girls fended off the flyers and promoters over and >>over... it was really quite a sight to see. > > >I wouldn't be surprised if I went over to my local Concord mall (just down >the street!) and found flyers in the stores there, much like I did with the >Lucky Charms party. (I was amused but saddened when I went to my co-workers >house for dinner, and I got into a conversation with her 15-year old >daughter about raves, and she hops up and says "wait a minute!", runs to her >room, and runs back with the Famed Lucky Charms Flyer [xlr8r: "We are SO >over cereal box flyers!"] in hand! This is pretty much what she assumed >rave parties were about, and she had indeed gotten it at the mall, and had a >hard time convincing her to look beyond that.) > > >>If you were from their clique (maybe you dress/look like that and live in >>say, Fremont or Concord :-) ), you'd think they were hot stuff I guess, but >>they just looked like bad vibes all over to me... > > >Hey that look is DA SHIT! ;) Or so I was told by my brother when I asked >him why he dressed like that... > > >>This whole "suburban sportswear rave" scene just reeks of burbs-livin' >>white boys who watch way too much "Yo MTV Raps." Not much old school spirit >>there, unless you count break dancing. :-) > > >Yes, it's way better to wear something like strange nylon shirts with weird >little televisions picked up in new york, along with black vinyl pants and >black patent airwalks perhaps... ;);) Wayne's rave gear is "da shit" ("da >bomb" even!), follow his lead & you'll all be way cool hip ravers! ;) >(wayne, didja notice they now have the shiny black airwalks with the little >hologram bits in 'em now? gotsta get me sum! :) > > >-s > > > > Do not go gentle into that good night. > Rave! Rave into the dawning of the light! > > > * * * > * * * * > * * * * * > * \|/ * * > * * --O-- * * > * /|\ * > > > \O/ > | > _____/_\_____ > > > Now what kind of sporstwear do these people wear? MX gear? Mountain climbing outfits? Bowling shirts? Hockey masks? How about golf shoes??? That's a good Idea, I think next time I'll wear my AXO pants, my golf shoes, an old soccer jersey, a bicycle helmet, jet ski gloves, swim goggles, rubber underwear, and some NIKE socks. Then I'll be waaaaay cool. Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 13:08:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA07166; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA07156; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (shawna-@wck-ca9-11.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.107]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA10417 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:08:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:08:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199610092008.NAA10417@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: Ground ZERO (unrelated response) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Hey, if you go to LA, they have Vans like that too. Yep, I had the >burgundy airwalks before I even saw them in stores. I had to special order >them for like 3 months before they actually came in. > I always >have my chain, I've worn it non-stop for a couple years. It goes a little >past my knee and it clears a 5 foot circle around me when I dance. Aryck: I need to make a request of you, which is to please trim any unnecessary original messages out of your replies! The email you sent, which contained about 2k of your message, was almost 9k long cuz it also contained all of my first email, wayne's email, Madame Mercury's email, my sig, and Madame mercury's sig (which is huge!) in addition to your reply. eNORmous! Wastes bandwidth, takes forever to scroll down all the way to your reply at the bottom, kind of annoying all around, and I am probably not the only one who thinks this. This is one of the general rules of net.consideration, so thanks in advance! :) :) Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 13:36:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA10058; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA10040; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA17803; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:36:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.sfsu.edu: dislex owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:36:44 -0700 (PDT) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: Guillermo Lemus cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: OUT-A-SIGHT INSIGHT In-Reply-To: <199610091818.LAA04844@dtbds5.EBay.Sun.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Guillermo Lemus wrote: > Greetings, > I plan on going to OAS to see Doc Martin spin for the first time. > Anyone have any comment on OAS parties and does any one know Doc's time > slot? And is anyone else plan on attending? > Peace, Pot, Micro-dot > VERTIGO the strength of out-of-sight parties is their ablity to deliever a solid line up for a poverty jet-set cover charge, a claim that a lot of the local underground parties can't seem to make these days. i still remember that out-a-sight last year that had robbie hardkiss, jeno, markie, galen, spun and john howard for $8. good party. they've had a weird history of throwing both legit bar ((big heart city)) and outlaw parties in places i'd never been to before. some have gone off, others haven't. some say their parties don't have much soul but i guess it depends on how much you're willing to put into it. watch out for the cia ravers. they had a free 1 year anniversery at the acme last week. about 3 people dancing to graeme at 1AM. if you do go you should post a review. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 13:52:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA11620; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA11609; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA04507; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:52:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:52:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199610092052.NAA04507@netcom17.netcom.com> From: Sleepy the Raver To: shawna-@ix.netcom.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: <199610092008.NAA10417@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> (shawna-@ix.netcom.com) Subject: Re: Ground ZERO (unrelated response) (NRR) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:08:06 -0700 > From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) > Aryck: I need to make a request of you, which is to please trim any > unnecessary original messages out of your replies! The email you > sent, which contained about 2k of your message, was almost 9k long > cuz it also contained all of my first email, wayne's email, Madame > Mercury's email, my sig, and Madame mercury's sig (which is huge!) Yes, good call, Shawna! (not singling you out, Aryck) Could we also add trimming down super long headers to our list of minor irritations? Most of us don't really need a complete record of every message's journey across the Cabal :) Sometimes I have to wade through an entire screenful of quoted headers before I get to any content... oh my! And it just looks like ascii vomit, anyway... :) love and phleas, Steve ps. Long time no see, Ms. Dash :) -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com saturn5@cyborganic.net | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:02:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA12451; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA12433; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA29943 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:01:13 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA20553 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:01:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:01:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199610092101.OAA20553@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Who's where??? X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Aryck wrote: >I think everyone should tell a little about themselves, and where they live. >It'd put some personalities in with these voiceless words. Well, ok... I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I have been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs for Cuban refugees, I write award-winning operas, I manage time efficiently. Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row. I woo women with my sensuous and godlike trombone playing, I can pilot bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook Thirty-Minute Brownies in twenty minutes. I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love, and an outlaw in Peru. Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly defended a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious army ants. I play bluegrass cello, I was scouted by the Mets, I am the subject of numerous documentaries. When I'm bored, I build large suspension bridges in my yard. I enjoy urban hang gliding. On Wednesdays, after work, I repair electrical appliances free of charge. I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless bookie. Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening wear. I don't perspire. I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail. I have been caller number nine and have won the weekend passes. Last summer I toured New Jersey with a traveling centrifugal-force demonstration. I bat .400. My deft floral arrangements have earned me fame in international botany circles. Children trust me. I can hurl tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly accuracy. I once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, and David Copperfield in one day and still had time to refurbish an entire dining room that evening. I know the exact location of every food item in the supermarket. I have performed several covert operations for the CIA. I sleep once a week; when I do sleep, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in Canada, I successfully negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery. The laws of physics do not apply to me. I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic, and my bills are all paid. On weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami. Years ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down. I have made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a toaster oven. I breed prizewinning clams. I organize underground raves for my tribe of Siberian Dwarf Hamstas, and sometimes I spin entire mind-blowing sets with one tape deck and a Captain Crunch whistle. I have won bullfights in San Juan, cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees at the Kremlin. I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart surgery, and I have spoken with Elvis. SDream From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:08:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA13056; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ferret.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA13011; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip.net.slip.net [204.162.172.243] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 0.56 #2) id E0vB5r9-0006bb-00; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:07:55 -0700 Message-ID: <325C13B7.97A@slip.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 14:05:59 -0700 From: Adam Mednick/philip diaz Organization: Euphonic Genesis X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Who's where??? References: <9610091926.AA22476@heald.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Aryck wrote: > > I think everyone should tell a little about themselves, and where they live. > It'd put some personalities in with these voiceless words. > > Say cheese:) > > Aryck CHEESE! um, this is my first post here (we just got our e-mail thingy working...adam posted the dj crack poem earlier), so introductions seem pertinent at this point. my name's philip diaz...i live in (that sorry excuse for a 'city') downtown sj with my roommate and friend adam. i'm a 3rd-year architecture student and graphic designer (but not currently attending school). i've been going to raves for about 5 years now, but i didn't really grok the whole thing until about 3 years ago. so for the past few years, i've been planning the coup. rounding up the forces. i've met others who want to take the 'underground' in a positive direction and do their best to keep it from deteriorating and getting swallowed whole by our lovely american capitalistic conglomerate tv-junkie society. lately we've all joined forces (and worked our butts off) to bring Charity to life. this, as far as we can tell at present, is to be our life's work (but not our careers!). whether it be a rave, concert, art performance, ritual, or festival, the Underground will always exist, and there will always be people who know and act upon what is right. we're doing our best to turn raving (or whatever future form raving may take upon itself) into the most postive experience possible for people. that means ALL people, not just ravers (yes, even those capitalistic conglomerate tv-junkies). this is something i'd hoped would happen for a long time, and now it's here! that's me in a couple'a paragraphs. next! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:13:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA13651; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA13624; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gebco.ix.netcome.com (str-ca2-45.ix.netcom.com [207.93.43.109]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA26884 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:12:35 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961009211723.0067dc90@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: c9d@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 14:17:23 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Micron Subject: What happened to... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk What happened to love? what happened to PLUR? what happened to the scene? what happened to me? what happened to dj's? what happened to promoters? what happened to......... I was just thinking about the scene and how it's changed in the past few years, some for better, some for worse. I still LOVE it, but it seems to be SO divided these days, it used to be that i would go to a certain party and see tons of happy faces and people i knew. It was soo new and fresh. Now it is soo divided and everyone seems bitter or jaded and doesn't like this person, that "type" of clothes or that "group" of people for numerous reasons. I really am just curious about the motivation and goals of this scene, as it stands today. I REALLY wish there was a lot more unity. Just some random ramblings, Micron PS, i STILL luv u ALL! ______________________________________________________________ | // /// // ////// ////// ////// /// // | | // // //// // // // // // // // // // | | // // // // // // /// // // // // // | | // / // // // // // // // // //// | |// // // ////// // // ////// // // | |_____________________________________________________________| PLUR! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:14:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA13733; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom12.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA13725; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sfo-ca17-19.ix.netcom.com (bradleyg@sfo-ca17-19.ix.netcom.com [205.184.16.179]) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA09730; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:13:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:13:44 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961009141054.55cf9a68@netcom.com> X-Sender: bradleyg@netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Bradley Graham Subject: (MRR) Hotz: Opinions??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey everyone, I was surfing around some music sites and happened to find www.hotz.com. Hotz has software that allows you to compose music, play along with any existing track, etc. It looks kinda cool but I would like to see if anyone in sfraves-land has played with it. I would really like to hear your opinions (good, bad, or otherwise) before I take the plunge. TIA, Bradley From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:21:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA14564; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA14517; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from drenalin@localhost) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA03999; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:26:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:26:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Nelson To: sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: dhchung@hyperreal.com Subject: (bsp) cloud factory info number Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk it was brought to my attention that there is no phone number in our calendar listing. the phone number is 408-457-7726 aka 457-spam there will also be directions posted on 707-523-9545 for people to call when they are up in the north (yeah you know up there) love scott --------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Nelson - drenalin@cloudfactory.org SalinasNet - admin@salinas.net http://www.salinas.net/ The WebWorks - webmaster@webworks.org http://www.webworks.org/ hyperreal - drenalin@hyperreal.com http://www.hyperreal.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:21:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA14638; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA14624; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gebco.ix.netcome.com (str-ca2-45.ix.netcom.com [207.93.43.109]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02977 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:21:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961009212554.0066cec8@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: c9d@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 14:25:54 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Micron Subject: Re: -->>JUST RELAX<<-- Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 08:52 PM 10/8/96 -0700, you wrote: > The music @ Fantasy Island was pretty phat, right from the start, > and that IS something that makes a rave. We came with good spirits > and with hopes of meeting up with some of our friends, so we had a good > vibe and did run into some people we knew...again, what also MAKES > a RAVE. Lots of raves are not easy to find...um hello...isn't that > part of going to a rave. I mean if you want something "easy" to find > go to club! > > Anyhow, I have said my piece...sorry if I offended *anyone* You go girl!! :D Micron ______________________________________________________________ | // /// // ////// ////// ////// /// // | | // // //// // // // // // // // // // | | // // // // // // /// // // // // // | | // / // // // // // // // // //// | |// // // ////// // // ////// // // | |_____________________________________________________________| PLUR! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:24:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA14911; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA14899; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.91.100] (mmf30.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.100]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA10956; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:24:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:21:32 -0800 To: "-=]madame mercury[=-" From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: -->>JUST RELAX<<-- Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > BEFORE all you guys start going off on Ground Zero being "another > gangsta fest" why don't you just relax, ckeck it out for the music > and create your own vibe....and stop bitching. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I'm not going off on how much ground zero's going to suck; i'm going off on how much of a dink ghost is. He's arrogant enough to rate himself "#1" on his own flyer and a friend of mine has met him and can't seem to find any nice things to say about the guy personally. I might actually go to Ground zero (assuming I get in free with Jon & Sin), but I'm not expectng much. A flyer advertising several rooms of "audio devastation" and "sexy anime dancers and a giant robot" just isn't my style. Sure the DJs might be fucking SICK but music is just one aspect of a rave, IMNERHO. I mainly go to dance and meet awesome people in a comfortable family environment. (FnF, harmony, etc.) I'm willing to pass up a party with a BOMB-ASS line-up (see: funky tekno tribe halloween massive) in favor of a party where I know I'll be surrounded by beautiful happy loving people and close friends. (see: halloween FnF) I'm not saying Ground Zero will be a gangsta fest for sure, but I'm assuming it will be becuase the types of people that flyers like THAT attract tend to be a little shady. Yeah, there'll be alot of cool people there (yes, you, sherry and ryan! =) but it sucks having to search for them in a crowd of pimped-out drugged-up lookin'-fer-lovin' foolios. good quote/paraphrase from the last XLR8R: "when the ravers are outnumbered by people who have come to see what ravers look like it's no longer a celebration but a freak show. and guess which lot are the freaks?" smiles, and see you kids at FnF!!! -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | expanded/mirror site under construction... | | http://www.cyborganic.com/people/lachim/ | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 548-3225 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:24:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA14946; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA14928; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.86.220.227 (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA02493 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:22:50 -0700 Message-ID: <325C192F.735F@best.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 14:29:19 -0700 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Who's where??? References: <9610091926.AA22476@heald.edu> <325C13B7.97A@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Adam Mednick/philip diaz wrote: > > Aryck wrote: > > > > I think everyone should tell a little about themselves, and where they live. > > It'd put some personalities in with these voiceless words. > > > > Say cheese:) > > > > Aryck 0000011100001110000011000000011101111000000000000000011111100000000000000001000000000 0000000000000000100000000000111101010111111111111111100011111111111111111111110111111 1111111111100001111111111111111100000011110000001111111111111111111111111111100000000 0000000111000000000111010011111100000000000000011111000000110010111111111100011111111 111111100000111000001110(<-me!!!)0000111100000000111111111111011111111111111100000000 0000000000001111000111111111000001101001010111111111100000000000011111111000000000000 0000000000000111111111111111100000000000000000000000000000000111111111111111111100011 1010101011111100001111111000000001111111000111000001111111111100000011111110000011... etc.... -alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:27:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA15295; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA15235; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id OAA04345; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:29:21 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: another cd suggest request Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "nathan.b.beckord" wrote: >Since we're already talking about suggested albums, could anyone suggest the >following: ... >2. a killer ambient disc, something mellow, that you would listen to while >watching the sunrise, meditating, reading a book on a rainy day, etc. Emphasis >on mellow. Anything by Deep Listening Band. Barramundi is a label that puts out a lot of ambient stuff with something of a "world-music" feel--you might look for comps or samplers from them. Transformer 2 is the only Barramundi artist I'm really familiar with; they're nice, but maybe a little beatier than you're looking for. >I've found it hard, like (trose??), to know what the hell to buy. It's >not like mainstream music, where you'll hear a song on das radio or at a >friend's pad, and that leads you on a trail. Well, for ambient music, at least, if you can get KKUP (91.5), tune in Sunday from 8-11 am and at midnight for lots of good stuff. They'll tell you what they're playing, too. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:42:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA17090; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA17083; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18269; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:42:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: King Jester cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: the weekend. Decisions, decisions In-Reply-To: <96Oct9.082852pdt.842751(17)@constitution.hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Even though I can't go out really late on Fridays anymore ( workin' early Saturday mornings now:( ); and won't be going out this Friday; I strongly suggest the Prop. 215 party!!! The DJ line-up is F*#@!*&G incredible! I can't remember seeing a line-up that good before=). For those that go: Have a great time for me! love- Reagan On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, King Jester wrote: > There's alot going on this weekend. > > Prop 215 Beni, great lineup with a few women DJs for a change. The most I've > seen on a lineup in a loooong time. > > Planetarium, Ground Zero, Out-A-Sight, Tribal Future > > alot to choose from. What's everyone doing this weekend? > > > > > The Jester > > "Anything for a Laugh" > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > --------------------------------------------------------- > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:43:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA17162; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA17152; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gebco.ix.netcome.com (str-ca2-45.ix.netcom.com [207.93.43.109]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA04395 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:42:43 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961009214730.006988ec@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: c9d@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 14:47:30 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Micron Subject: Re: the weekend. Decisions, decisions -Reply Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 09:47 AM 10/9/96 -0700, you wrote: > I would like to encourage everyone to go to planeterium. it'll be phat,prob. last outdoor of the year. AND it's a benefit for Omar. > ______________________________________________________________ | // /// // ////// ////// ////// /// // | | // // //// // // // // // // // // // | | // // // // // // /// // // // // // | | // / // // // // // // // // //// | |// // // ////// // // ////// // // | |_____________________________________________________________| PLUR! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:45:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA17339; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA17327; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18440; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Aryck cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Who's where??? In-Reply-To: <9610091926.AA22476@heald.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk O.k.... My name is Reagan and I live in Concord. oh....did you want more info. than this;). On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Aryck wrote: > I think everyone should tell a little about themselves, and where they live. > It'd put some personalities in with these voiceless words. > > Say cheese:) > > Aryck > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:47:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA17613; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA17604; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA26267; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:47:15 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199610092147.OAA26267@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Skeno Raves ? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves ] SKENO ( Sparks/Reno ) RAVES? My wife and I will be up in Reno this weekend ( and misssing the big parties here in the S.F. Bay area! ), to visit my dad. In my free time, I was wondering if there was anything rave-like in the Sparks/Reno area? Are there any good record stores or info numbers I can check on? Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:50:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA17951; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA17930; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.184.160.104] (ericp.vip.best.com [206.184.160.104]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA19332 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:45:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:45:27 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ericp@best.com (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: What happened to... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Perhaps part of individual and community growth is identifying any obstacles to further growth and development. The items Micron mentions appear to me to be such obstacles. For growth to occur, we must transcend our human nature, finding ways to overcome obstacles to growth. Sometimes we can do it ourselves, while other times we need help from others in examining ourselves as we are, and as we'd like to be. Then, whether by ourselves or with others' help, we can bring ourselves closer to the kind of individual and community we wish to achieve. Toujours le PLUR, apologies for message length, Eric >I was just thinking about the scene and how it's changed in the past few >years, some for better, some for worse. I still LOVE it, but it seems to be >SO divided these days, it used to be that i would go to a certain party and >see tons of happy faces and people i knew. It was soo new and fresh. Now >it is soo divided and everyone seems bitter or jaded and doesn't like this >person, that "type" of clothes or that "group" of people for numerous >reasons. I really am just curious about the motivation and goals of this >scene, as it stands today. I REALLY wish there was a lot more unity. > >Just some random ramblings, >Micron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:56:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA18633; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA18613; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkst13304; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp93.hayward.heald.edu (ppp111.hayward.heald.edu) by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26708; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:02:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:02:20 -0700 Message-Id: <9610092202.AA26708@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) From: Aryck Subject: Re: Who's where??? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 02:01 PM 10/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >Aryck wrote: > >>I think everyone should tell a little about themselves, and where they live. >>It'd put some personalities in with these voiceless words. > >Well, ok... > >I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I have >been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more >efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs for Cuban >refugees, I write award-winning operas, I manage time efficiently. >Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row. > >I woo women with my sensuous and godlike trombone playing, I can pilot >bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook Thirty-Minute >Brownies in twenty minutes. I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love, >and an outlaw in Peru. > >Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly defended >a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious army ants. I >play bluegrass cello, I was scouted by the Mets, I am the subject of >numerous documentaries. When I'm bored, I build large suspension bridges in >my yard. I enjoy urban hang gliding. On Wednesdays, after work, I repair >electrical appliances free of charge. > >I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless bookie. Critics >worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening wear. I don't >perspire. I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail. I have been >caller number nine and have won the weekend passes. Last summer I toured >New Jersey with a traveling centrifugal-force demonstration. I bat .400. >My deft floral arrangements have earned me fame in international botany >circles. Children trust me. > >I can hurl tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly accuracy. I >once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, and David Copperfield in one day and >still had time to refurbish an entire dining room that evening. I know the >exact location of every food item in the supermarket. I have performed >several covert operations for the CIA. I sleep once a week; when I do >sleep, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in Canada, I successfully >negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery. The >laws of physics do not apply to me. > >I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic, and my bills are all paid. On >weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami. Years >ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down. I have >made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a toaster oven. >I breed prizewinning clams. I organize underground raves for my tribe of >Siberian Dwarf Hamstas, and sometimes I spin entire mind-blowing sets with >one tape deck and a Captain Crunch whistle. I have won bullfights in San >Juan, cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees at the >Kremlin. I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart surgery, and I >have spoken with Elvis. > >SDream > > > Y'know. . .you're probably telling the truth. But Elvis lived across the street from me, my dog jumped the fence and attacked his shi-tzu. ANd I discovered the meaning of life one night while under the influence of a certain fungus, but I was too busy taking care of my friends to write it down. Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:58:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA18882; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA18875; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.91.100] (mmf30.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.100]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA01033; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:58:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:55:58 -0800 To: Starchild From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Corporate take-off flyers (was Re: Ground ZERO) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > XLR8R may be "over" cereal box take-offs; I'm not. A cleverly >done rip-off of a corporate logo for the purpose of promoting a party >where people will be grooving till 6am on who knows what pills, and >generally doing things most corporate types couldn't relate to, is funny! I've seen clever parodies, and that Lucky Charms ("tragically delicious?") flyer wasn't it. I like those coolio skater shirts where designer(s) works with the original's style and actually "designs" something tha fits yet makes a clever joke about the original (see: almost anything Fuct or Giant or Designers Republic has done), but trying to see how many ray-traced pills one can fit into a bowl of cereal is neither design not parody, IMHO. He could've done something cool with it (actually, no he couldn't. It's tough getting creative when Bagok Tribe is on your ass telling you to they want to throw a party called Lucky Charms-- I seriously doubt he had much of a say in what the final would look like), but I just can't see the effort in that flyer. Side note: What's wrong with e-con these days??? Has anyone seen his kick-ass webpage or his old flyers? (Area 51, Land Before Time) I used to LOVE his work so much and now he's consistently putting out K-R-A-P. (lucky charms: probably less than 1 hour of work. Fantasy Island: I'm guessing 1 hour of work and 3 hours of waiting for that boring-ass Bryce Island to render) Has he found a really awesome girlfriend or something? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | expanded/mirror site under construction... | | http://www.cyborganic.com/people/lachim/ | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 548-3225 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 14:59:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA18936; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA18929; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbkst13833; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp93.hayward.heald.edu (ppp111.hayward.heald.edu) by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26771; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:05:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:05:06 -0700 Message-Id: <9610092205.AA26771@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Adam Mednick/philip diaz From: Aryck Subject: Re: Who's where??? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 02:05 PM 10/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >Aryck wrote: >> >> I think everyone should tell a little about themselves, and where they live. >> It'd put some personalities in with these voiceless words. >> >> Say cheese:) >> >> Aryck > > >CHEESE! > >um, this is my first post here (we just got our e-mail thingy >working...adam posted the dj crack poem earlier), so introductions seem >pertinent at this point. > >my name's philip diaz...i live in (that sorry excuse for a >'city') downtown sj with my roommate and friend adam. i'm a 3rd-year >architecture student and graphic designer (but not currently attending >school). i've been going to raves for about 5 years now, but i didn't >really grok the whole thing until about 3 years ago. > >so for the past few years, i've been planning the coup. rounding up the >forces. i've met others who want to take the 'underground' in a positive >direction and do their best to keep it from deteriorating and getting >swallowed whole by our lovely american capitalistic conglomerate >tv-junkie society. lately we've all joined forces (and worked our butts >off) to bring Charity to life. this, as far as we can tell at present, is >to be our life's work (but not our careers!). whether it be a rave, >concert, art performance, ritual, or festival, the Underground will >always exist, and there will always be people who know and act upon what >is right. we're doing our best to turn raving (or whatever future >form raving may take upon itself) into the most postive experience >possible for people. that means ALL people, not just ravers (yes, even >those capitalistic conglomerate tv-junkies). this is something i'd hoped >would happen for a long time, and now it's here! > >that's me in a couple'a paragraphs. > >next! > > > Killer. . . now if I can only meet everyone too. . . You seem like a very nice guy. Keep it on. VeHlCoME Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 15:09:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA20438; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gcwf.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA20421; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SOCAL-Message_Server by gcwf.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Oct 1996 15:09:24 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 15:10:57 -0700 From: Ariel Stallings To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, c9d@ix.netcom.com Subject: What happened to... -Reply Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk c9d@ix.netcom wrote: "everyone seems all bitter and jaded".... As someone who is relatively new to the whole "rave scene" (my six month birthday is coming up in a few weeks! Yay!) it really saddens me to see how burnt out so many of my fellow gruvers are...This isn't everyone, of course, but it seems like the majority of people who are partying in the 21+ age set are kind of spent, since those are the people who have been partying for a while. It seems sometimes like the only people at a party who have that same giddy enthusiasm as me ("WEE! I'm here to DANCE! And have FUN!!!") are the 16-year-olds who have been partying for about the same time as I have...in fact, I have had people tell me they thought I was 16 myself because my energy was so pure and un-cynical. What is it about being "experienced" at raving that makes folks have less fun? Isn't partying about HAVING FUN? I mean isn't this why we DO it? If it's not fun any more, why do people bother? I figure raves are too expensive and too overwhelming to go to if you're not there to have a GOOD TIME. Again, I know I'm generalizing...there are plenty of older ravers who make me look sedate. But it seems like all the SPARKLY ENERGY drains out of people after a year or two. Is this the fate that is destined to meet ME in a few years? "Oh yeah, pshaw. I USED to party. Used to dance till 9am. Used to have a good time and dress up in texturally-exciting clothes and sparkles and hug who-ever came near me. Now I see that's all just a load of hoo-haw. I took up badmittin instead." EEK! Someone shoot me! much love and enthusiasm * A R I E L * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 15:13:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA20852; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA20846; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.91.100] (mmf30.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.100]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA10399 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:13:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:10:28 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: ethan (was: subjective advice sought) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I should have tapes back in stores sometime this month *including* > > Live @ Friends & Family 7.27.96 > >and hopefully > > Live @ MAD 2.12.96 This was the first set I've ever heard from *any* DJ that I can honestly say COMPLETELY BLEW MY MIND. Ethan was cool enough to dub me a copy which is now a little worn from being played so much... =) >which I know some of you have heard...this set is also coming out as an >extremely limited (cos I got no $) 2 CD set... =) So stay tuned. kids! buy it!!! take care, -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | expanded/mirror site under construction... | | http://www.cyborganic.com/people/lachim/ | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 548-3225 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 15:20:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA21541; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA21533; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.91.100] (mmf30.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.100]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA12531; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:17:32 -0800 To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Who's where??? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk wasn't this a widely-distributed essay that some kid *actually* wrote as a college application essay? And didn't it end with the words "but I haven't yet been to college?" And didn't he/she get in??? =) I'm not surprised! I wish mine was that good! >Well, ok... > >I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I have >been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more >sleep, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in Canada, I successfully >negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery. The >laws of physics do not apply to me. This is totally todd's: (I love it!) >I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic, and my bills are all paid. On >weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami. Years >ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down. I have >made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a toaster oven. >I breed prizewinning clams. I organize underground raves for my tribe of >Siberian Dwarf Hamstas, and sometimes I spin entire mind-blowing sets with >one tape deck and a Captain Crunch whistle. I have won bullfights in San >Juan, cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees at the >Kremlin. I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart surgery, and I >have spoken with Elvis. > >SDream 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | expanded/mirror site under construction... | | http://www.cyborganic.com/people/lachim/ | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 548-3225 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 15:21:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA21632; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA21622; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (rayvonie@smx-ca8-16.ix.netcom.com [207.92.172.80]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA27133 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:20:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:20:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199610092220.PAA27133@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: rayvonie@ix.netcom.com (Ray Vonie) Subject: About the XLR8r review of SF scene To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Did anybody have a chance to read the scene review in the latest issue??? If you have not yet done so, mabee you should and see how you feel about it?? When I read it, let me tell you, I was rely upset. That thing read like a big fucking insult to the entire SF rave culture. I felt like we had a great and positive summer and that there were a lot of great parties, but after reading the bi-monthly review of the "scene report" It almost made me sick. What I don't understand is this: How can a magazine that is based in SF expect any of its readers to take it articles and advertisers seriously is the HOME SCENE of the magazine is pertrade to be as fucked up as my spelling????? Don't they uderstand that it just compleatly undermines their credability as well as makes them out to be on the wrong side of the line. Its bad enough that we have TV shows like SLeeza, But when a 'RAVE" magazine like XLR8 writes a review of their own HOME town parties and promoters, that is nothing but a huge SLAM, and is circulated and read all over the country, thats when real damage is done. If you lived in another state, and you were reding XLR8, Which you knew was published in SF, and you were reding the reviews of all the diferent party scenes all over the country, and you get to the one about SF, and it is a big fucking joke, full of negative conotations and drug inuendoes, and just all around slanted, and biased and negative. Wouldn't you say to yourself "Well fuck, look at the local scene in SF, its all fucked up, an this magazine is made in SF, I can't take any of it seriously" Well at least that would be my opinion. Personaly, I already think that the magazine does not have much jurnalistic value. Their viewpoint is usualy biased and slanted, and they rarely try to cover any article from more than one side. But that's cool, because it is their magazine and they can do whatever they want as long as it sells advertising and subscriptions. Thats the beutiful thing about living in a country with freedom of the press. But we also have freedom of experssion, and I for one have expressed myself to the editors of XLR8 by sending them E-mail about my feelings. Atatched below is my letter. If anyone else outhere would like to see a change in the way our scene in SF is described in future issues, please send them E-Mail also to: xlr8r @ cyborganic.net P.s. I am in no way afiliated with the magazine, and this is not a ploy to start contraversy with the magazine to increase its exposure. I am just a local promoter that feels that there is a buitiful scene here in the bay area, and does not like to see it belittled by some spun out second hand gosip. This is the letter I sent to XLR8: Dear editor, I would like to know, how come a SF based magazine caries such good and detailed reviews of the scene in other parts of your distribution area, (ie. LA, portland, seatle, san diego, newyork, etc.) But when it comes time for the scene and party review of your home area (San Francisco) you realy drop the ball???? In fact your latest issue read more like a gosip colomb than a party review. I don't know, mabee Im not getting it or something. It just seems to me that when people from outside the area read this review, their impresions of the SF scene will be less than favorible with all the downplaying and negative conotations in your reviews. Sure, to those of us who know whats going on and see it from the "INSIDE-OUT", it might be funny to joke about the intent of UNITY, or Dis on Space Children or talk about the cost of parties in derogitory content, Or even throw in drug asociations. But the problem is that people that read it from the "OUTSIDE-IN", People that arn't in the "KNOW", and especialy people outside our area, will think of thye SF scene as a bunch of FUCK-UPS trying to do parties. I just think that your magazine, being a SF based publication, Should do a litle bit more to make our local scene sound a little more healthy and positive than you make it out to be. Puting a half ass bullshit party review as the last review in the section, and giving it such a minimal amount of content makes our local scene look bad. It is your home town, and the readers understand this. When you downplay and diss your home scene, it takes away from the credability of your entire publication. Don't you see that???? How are people suposed to take your articles and advertisers seriously if the home Party Scene of the publication are made out to be a big fucking joke. You can't be so ignorant that you don't see the conection. Im sure that if you took a little bit diferent perspective on your pertrail of you HOME scene and put a litle pride in the review, as well as puting it in the begining of scene section, you might get a litle bit more advertising from promoters who might want to place adds for local events, and you actualy might improve the image of your magazine by improving public perception of where YOU are coming from. I don't know who it is that writes the revies for the SF scene, but I feel that it is in your magazines best intrest to re-evaluate your policy on the way you depitc your home town, and the way that you support the promoters that make up the scene that you make your living writing about. Don't forget what came first. There were promoters doing parties, long before there were people writing about them. The parties are the thing that make up the scene, not yours or anyone eleses fictitious representation of it. Mabee you should give it some serious thought and try not to write revues that are biased, negative, sarcastic, synical, and slanderous. These are not so caled "raving virtues" that should be in a magazine that "suposably" is down for the positive movement of the house culture. If you want to ask any questions or if you did not understand where I was coming from, please call me and I would be glad to chat. ps. sorry for bad spelling, buts its a trademark. PLUR, Vlad Cood., Feel Good Entertainmnet. 415-568-1338 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 15:26:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA22096; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misnt1.rely.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA22085; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by misnt1.rely.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBB5F6.1ACEBFC0@misnt1.rely.com>; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:25:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: Adam Guevara To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" , "'rayvonie@ix.netcom.com'" Subject: RE: About the XLR8r review of SF scene Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:25:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yup, I must admit, you have some pretty fucked-up spelling ---Adam >---------- >From: rayvonie@ix.netcom.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 1996 2:20 PM >To: sfraves@hyperreal.com >Subject: About the XLR8r review of SF scene > > >Did anybody have a chance to read the scene review in the latest >issue??? If you have not yet done so, mabee you should and see how you > >feel about it?? When I read it, let me tell you, I was rely upset. >That thing read like a big fucking insult to the entire SF rave >culture. I felt like we had a great and positive summer and that there > >were a lot of great parties, but after reading the bi-monthly review of > >the "scene report" It almost made me sick. > >What I don't understand is this: How can a magazine that is based in >SF expect any of its readers to take it articles and advertisers >seriously is the HOME SCENE of the magazine is pertrade to be as fucked > >up as my spelling????? Don't they uderstand that it just compleatly >undermines their credability as well as makes them out to be on the >wrong side of the line. Its bad enough that we have TV shows like >SLeeza, But when a 'RAVE" magazine like XLR8 writes a review of their >own HOME town parties and promoters, that is nothing but a huge SLAM, >and is circulated and read all over the country, thats when real damage > is done. (Snip) > >ps. sorry for bad spelling, buts its a trademark. > >PLUR, Vlad Cood., Feel Good Entertainmnet. 415-568-1338 > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 15:30:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA22474; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA22463; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.91.100] (mmf30.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.100]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21398; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:27:32 -0800 To: Micron From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: What happened to... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I was just thinking about the scene and how it's changed in the past few >years, some for better, some for worse. I still LOVE it, but it seems to be >SO divided these days, it used to be that i would go to a certain party and I haven't been "in the scene" for long, so I wasn't around when all these parties happenned, but: don't let yourself get bogged down with that attitude!!! Hindsight is always 20/20, but usually a little rose-tinted as well... Everything works in waves... old crews sell out or fall apart so new ones are formed to take their place. The scene is evolving but it's not getting "worse" --I know this because of the way it's changed my life and the way I deal with people. When people get tired of the current scene they form their own crews to improve it! Just look at Harmony, FnF, and all the others who consistently open my mind and my heart to new forms of music, new ways of dancing and new people... This scene is too vibrant and healthy to let itself be detroyed by the shitty parties... Bagok Tribe and others will consume themselves one day and new parties will rise up to fill the void. Nothing stays the same. Don't expect it to. Just let the changes take their course and open yourself to their positive aspects! take care, -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | expanded/mirror site under construction... | | http://www.cyborganic.com/people/lachim/ | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 548-3225 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 15:36:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA23047; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA23014; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gebco.ix.netcome.com (str-ca2-45.ix.netcom.com [207.93.43.109]) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA29917 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:36:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961009224052.0067e244@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: c9d@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 15:40:52 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Micron Subject: OOps??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I wasn't trying to cap on the scene, or even say that i don't like it, i love it. But it DOES seem to me that there are a few people getting quite cynical about it. Maybe it is that i've been meeting all the "wrong" people lately, i yearn to meet cool, POSITIVE and happy people, people that want to be your friend and like to go out and play. My posting was just about my experiences and my overview of the scene and some of the people in it over the last 6 years. I also have to agree with those who posted about what makes a "party" It, for me, is definitely the VIBE. The music is very important, but if i get bad energy, it does ruin the experience for me. Finally, who am I, someone posted that we should say something about ourselves, well hmmm. I REALLY like Sdreams answer and got quite a chuckle. Me, i LOVE music, art and people. That is definitely the 3 things that best represent me. I am in a constant search to discover and develop myself. I also love the outdoors and anything that involves being in it. Hope to meet u all one fine day. Micron ______________________________________________________________ | // /// // ////// ////// ////// /// // | | // // //// // // // // // // // // // | | // // // // // // /// // // // // // | | // / // // // // // // // // //// | |// // // ////// // // ////// // // | |_____________________________________________________________| PLUR! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 15:46:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA23959; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA23951; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id PAA06934; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:45:16 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:45:12 -0800 To: Adam Guevara , "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" From: Tony Rotundo Subject: RE: About the XLR8r review of SF scene Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk RARELY do I laugh out loud reading email. =) However! Ray does have a point. I only skimmed over the XL article (I think there were two parts right?) and from personal experience, there is a whole hell of a lot going on in the SF scene (mainly the true underground stuff) that never gets mentioned. I'm sure that will all change when they review their anniversary part... Tony At 3:25 PM -0700 10/9/96, Adam Guevara wrote: >Yup, I must admit, you have some pretty fucked-up spelling > >---Adam > >>---------- >>From: rayvonie@ix.netcom.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 1996 2:20 PM >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.com >>Subject: About the XLR8r review of SF scene >> >> >>Did anybody have a chance to read the scene review in the latest >>issue??? If you have not yet done so, mabee you should and see how you >> >>feel about it?? When I read it, let me tell you, I was rely upset. >>That thing read like a big fucking insult to the entire SF rave >>culture. I felt like we had a great and positive summer and that there >> >>were a lot of great parties, but after reading the bi-monthly review of >> >>the "scene report" It almost made me sick. >> >>What I don't understand is this: How can a magazine that is based in >>SF expect any of its readers to take it articles and advertisers >>seriously is the HOME SCENE of the magazine is pertrade to be as fucked >> >>up as my spelling????? Don't they uderstand that it just compleatly >>undermines their credability as well as makes them out to be on the >>wrong side of the line. Its bad enough that we have TV shows like >>SLeeza, But when a 'RAVE" magazine like XLR8 writes a review of their >>own HOME town parties and promoters, that is nothing but a huge SLAM, >>and is circulated and read all over the country, thats when real damage >> >is done. > >(Snip) >> >>ps. sorry for bad spelling, buts its a trademark. >> >>PLUR, Vlad Cood., Feel Good Entertainmnet. 415-568-1338 >> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 15:57:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id PAA28366; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA28252; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.178.41.41] ([205.178.41.41]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id PAA11551; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:55:05 -0700 X-Sender: branka@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:54:51 -0800 To: Sleepy the Raver , shawna-@ix.netcom.com From: branka@sirius.com (*B*) Subject: Annoying things about replies / posts Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You guys r wrote: >> Aryck: I need to make a request of you, which is to please trim any >> unnecessary original messages out of your replies! The email you >> sent, which contained about 2k of your message, was almost 9k long >> cuz it also contained all of my first email, wayne's email, Madame >> Mercury's email, my sig, and Madame mercury's sig (which is huge!) > >Yes, good call, Shawna! (not singling you out, Aryck) Could we also >add trimming down super long headers to our list of minor irritations? >Most of us don't really need a complete record of every message's >journey across the Cabal :) Sometimes I have to wade through an entire >screenful of quoted headers before I get to any content... oh my! > Somebody just said it few weeks ago, but I would like to mention it again, because it happened today *once again*. When you post, please use paragraphs... sometimes people really hate to read posts that are huge blocks of words - no paragraphs or no empty lines between paragraphs. It just makes reading way more simpler and people don't get lost when they are reading 1-2 page posts. Sorry for bitching, *B* From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 16:09:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA00876; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA00869; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id QAA27401; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199610092309.QAA27401@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: What happened to... -Reply To: ASTALLINGS@gcwf.com (Ariel Stallings) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, c9d@ix.netcom.com In-Reply-To: from "Ariel Stallings" at Oct 9, 96 03:10:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > c9d@ix.netcom wrote: > "everyone seems all bitter and jaded".... > > As someone who is relatively new to the whole "rave scene" (my six > month birthday is coming up in a few weeks! Yay!) it really saddens > me to see how burnt out so many of my fellow gruvers are...This isn't > everyone, of course, but it seems like the majority of people who are > partying in the 21+ age set are kind of spent, since those are the This seems to describe me... Play me some truly innovative music and you will me become a lot more enthusiastic. Does anybody else find the current state of music in this city to be stale? Or is it just me? What do I want to hear? Funky, downbeat goa. Music I can groove to that has many layers of thick analogue synths.... with an emphasis on FUNK... with some hip-hop influence. I want to work my body into a groove... NOT just bounce around. I am really tired of that 135 bpm kick drum on every beat music. The last thing I heard that I really liked was Liquid Blue's set in the ambient room at Harmony. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 16:09:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA00962; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suc1a.corp.Harris.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA00910; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:09:18 -0700 (PDT) From: TGARCI01@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com Received: from spirit by suc1a.corp.Harris.COM (8.6.12/Kurts Special version 2.0) id TAA22549; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:09:13 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com by spirit (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22032; Wed, 9 Oct 96 16:09:13 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 25C30B70; Wed, 9 Oct 96 16:09:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:06:33 -0700 Message-Id: <25C30B70.1825@ccsmtp.farinon.harris.com> Subject: Who's Next? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, sometimes i eat tofu sometimes i eat red meat (not very often. It's just not healthy!) but when i dive in my submarine fully equipped with decks, headphones and lOTSA GREEN (and some MIND POWER) i am happy... if you know what i mean go dEEPER dEEPER deEPER deePER deepER deepeR deeper just some words from Deepfog (if I hear "****, ****, *** dial the operator please, ****,****,*** dial the operator" on our intercom I am gonna PUKE!) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 16:17:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA02113; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sub.sonic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA02106; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (d119.pm3.sonic.net [208.201.229.119]) by sub.sonic.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25158; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:17:36 -0700 Message-ID: <2F3A7592.305A@sonic.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 1995 12:05:38 -0800 From: Davenport X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com CC: moonbill@sonic.net Subject: Hey what's up for the weekend? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Davenport wrote: What's everyone doing, are you all going to go to ground zero, Planitarium or ?????????????? So my friend told me that the rave scene has change I think it will always change. What do you guy's think the rave scene will be like in let's say 5 years from now??????????? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 16:23:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA02645; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trix.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA02635; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jwiley@localhost) by trix.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA09324; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:22:43 -0700 From: Jay Wiley Message-Id: <199610092322.QAA09324@trix.cisco.com> Subject: Re: What happened to... -Reply To: tsheets@xanadu.cyborganic.net (Troy Sheets) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199610092309.QAA27401@xanadu.cyborganic.net> from "Troy Sheets" at Oct 9, 96 04:09:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > c9d@ix.netcom wrote: > > "everyone seems all bitter and jaded".... > > > > As someone who is relatively new to the whole "rave scene" (my six > > month birthday is coming up in a few weeks! Yay!) it really saddens > > me to see how burnt out so many of my fellow gruvers are...This isn't > > everyone, of course, but it seems like the majority of people who are > > partying in the 21+ age set are kind of spent, since those are the > > This seems to describe me... > > Play me some truly innovative music and you will me become a lot more > enthusiastic. Does anybody else find the current state of music in > this city to be stale? Or is it just me? > > What do I want to hear? Funky, downbeat goa. Music I can groove to that > has many layers of thick analogue synths.... with an emphasis on FUNK... > with some hip-hop influence. I want to work my body into a groove... > NOT just bounce around. > I picked up one of moonpups tapes at Charity and it definately has some FUNK to it. Very cool! Even has some Public Enemy in it. j From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 16:31:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA03522; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA03514; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA20454; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:31:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:31:46 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199610092331.QAA20454@netcom17.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: <199610092309.QAA27401@xanadu.cyborganic.net> (message from Troy Sheets on Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:09:01 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: What happened to... -Reply Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > From: Troy Sheets > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:09:01 -0700 (PDT) > > What do I want to hear? Funky, downbeat goa. Music I can groove to that > has many layers of thick analogue synths.... with an emphasis on FUNK... > with some hip-hop influence. I want to work my body into a groove... > NOT just bounce around. Agreed. The first two or three tracks spun(?) by Goa Gil the other night fit this description (somewhat). Slow, thick, trancy, exotic - I'd go as far as to say sensual, but in a spiritual sense. I've been dying for music like this. If anyone knows what I'm talking about and can point me towards music like this, I'd be very happy. Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com saturn5@cyborganic.net | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 16:38:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA04195; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA04178; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Hughdhyana@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA06000 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:37:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:37:41 -0400 Message-ID: <961009193740_206391251@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: (You rock SDream!!!) Re: Who's where??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You are the shit!! That was the most creatively inspired post I have ever encountered. Please, I give you full license to post anything NRR that you'd like , as long as it reaches the poetry that you have achieved with this creation~!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 16:47:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA05083; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA05068; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA28636; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:47:17 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199610092347.QAA28636@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: What happened to... -Reply To: tsheets@xanadu.cyborganic.net (Troy Sheets) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199610092309.QAA27401@xanadu.cyborganic.net> from "Troy Sheets" at Oct 9, 96 04:09:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > c9d@ix.netcom wrote: > > "everyone seems all bitter and jaded".... > > > > As someone who is relatively new to the whole "rave scene" (my six > > month birthday is coming up in a few weeks! Yay!) it really saddens > > me to see how burnt out so many of my fellow gruvers are...This isn't > > everyone, of course, but it seems like the majority of people who are > > partying in the 21+ age set are kind of spent, since those are the > > This seems to describe me... > > Play me some truly innovative music and you will me become a lot more > enthusiastic. Does anybody else find the current state of music in > this city to be stale? Or is it just me? > > What do I want to hear? Funky, downbeat goa. Music I can groove to that > has many layers of thick analogue synths.... with an emphasis on FUNK... > with some hip-hop influence. I want to work my body into a groove... > NOT just bounce around. > > I am really tired of that 135 bpm kick drum on every beat music. > > The last thing I heard that I really liked was Liquid Blue's set > in the ambient room at Harmony. > > -troy Hey Troy, I am not into fast bpm's or that goa stuff, but I do, like yourself, like to groove. The current state of house music in the city is, er, well it leaves plenty to be desired, for myself at least. I go out quite a bit less these days...I would go out more IF the music, the DJ's and the scene was more vibrant than it is. After 6 years of SF partying, it can get a bit, old. I think the problem revolves around patterns and modes of behavior we all fall into. Earlier in SF there were many more events going on than now, many more UG events, and a plethora of good DJ's. There was techno, trance, garage, deep house, tribal, breakbeat, italian all over the place. Since parties have become easier to throw, easier to get fine talent, and since people in genereal have become pro's and as such a bit more jaded, it adds to the sense of dullness to it all. The main reason I go out these days is to be sociable, and IF POSSIBLE dance a little with my lady. This all depends on the expertise of the DJ at hand of course, and the general mood of the party. At one time you had NO CHOICE BUT to go off. Why? Well the cops were gonna be there and that added to the level of tension. The place you partied at was abandoned and dangerous, that added to the danger. You're on so many drugs your eyes are like slot machines flipping a triple bar. That's why. The combination of uncertainty, the drugs (drug free partying....er, why?), and a new venue was just enough reason for people to have a good time. The DJ's, who at that time were at the pinnacle of thier madness had plenty to do with the crowd. Now it almost seems like a show...or a circus. I've been to some of the events thrown by the Good Times people, and some other sundry affairs...the vibe is definitely there for the new younger crew, no doubt. And I'm sure from their and others perspective that certain events are "on the one!". For me, I have seen the blue buddah many many times. At this point I go out, sometimes get a little stoopid (or a lot, can I get a witness Mr. White), dance a little, then hang with friends at the ULIMATE chill out space...home! I'm glad the scen is going on, although at a different energy level than it had in the beginning (believe me, nothing beats the newness vibe..and in SF, there really ain't all that which ain't been done before...), but this is a good thing. People are more picky, and know what they like. People get off of thier asses and do parties if they don't like what's being done, and it is still a fun scene with alot of nice people. I know many people on this list are pining for the days of the more intimate F&F's, etc. and are just out of respect, not airing their views, but it is inevitable. Nothing beats the first time. There is nothing like the first kiss, the first hug, the first grope, the first love, or the first orgasm. Same thing for parties. You probably already had the one you were waiting for... I was talking to my girlfriend the other day and she noted, after seeing some of my old Ameba clothes that: "No matter what you say now you WERE a raver. Maybe not now, but at one time you were raving, just like everyone else. AND you had a good time doing it too!" (little minka :) ). I guess the evo-devolution would be: Raver -> Partyer -> Scenester -> Old Skooler I just like to go out, catch a tune or two, say hi to my friends, drink some alcohol, organic engagement, some hugz & kisses, then chilling the brain at home. If I have the next day or three off, maybe some crackerjacking, BUT it has to be the BOMB partay! Late, jsl From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 16:52:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA05546; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA05537; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scarab@localhost) by value.net (8.8.Beta.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27906; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE To: Ariel Stallings cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: What happened to... -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Ariel Stallings wrote: > > c9d@ix.netcom wrote: > "everyone seems all bitter and jaded".... > > As someone who is relatively new to the whole "rave scene" (my six > month birthday is coming up in a few weeks! Yay!) it really saddens > me to see how burnt out so many of my fellow gruvers are...This isn't > everyone, of course, but it seems like the majority of people who are > partying in the 21+ age set are kind of spent, since those are the > people who have been partying for a while. It seems sometimes like ou > the only people at a party who have that same giddy enthusiasm as me > ("WEE! I'm here to DANCE! And have FUN!!!") are the 16-year-olds > who have been partying for about the same time as I have...in fact, I > have had people tell me they thought I was 16 myself because my > energy was so pure and un-cynical. What is it about being > "experienced" at raving that makes folks have less fun? > One doesn't have to become jaded as they age, but one usually does become realistic. Idealism is usually for the uninformed. My life at 16 was a lot less complicated. One usually doesn't have the life experience to understand how the world is not black and white. At least from my perspective, and I'm not even old. > Isn't partying about HAVING FUN? I mean isn't this why we DO it? If > it's not fun any more, why do people bother? I figure raves are too > expensive and too overwhelming to go to if you're not there to have a > GOOD TIME. Again, I know I'm generalizing...there are plenty of > older ravers who make me look sedate. But it seems like all the > SPARKLY ENERGY drains out of people after a year or two. Is this the When something is new and unblemished, you usually have more energy for it. After you lose your innocence, you see the inherent impurity. You also become more discriminating. Raves, like life, are not perfect. When a lot of people begin raving, they are somewhat of "rave-sluts", not knowing a lot about the music, promoters, etc. So, they go to ANYTHING until they learn a bit of what they like. Then comes the choosey stage. When you know what you want to get out of it, you search for those kinds of parties. From here a lot of people begin helping with the kinds of parties they like. Notice the current influx of sfravers who help with Harmony. They know what they like and want to put their energy into it. As for people who have been doing it from the beginning (greater than 6 years), I don't know what they do, I'm not there. Some people start making the music which appears to be a natural progression. There is a contiuum of experiences with raving and age. People just simply find themselves at different points. > fate that is destined to meet ME in a few years? "Oh yeah, pshaw. I > USED to party. Used to dance till 9am. Used to have a good time and > dress up in texturally-exciting clothes and sparkles and hug who-ever > came near me. Now I see that's all just a load of hoo-haw. I took > up badmittin instead." > One's life isn't all about raving (I'd hope at least), and many things call you. I'm in a place where I can afford, both time-wise and economically, to go to 2-3 parties a month. But, when I'm working on my Ph.D., I don't think that will be the case. And, I certainly hope it isn't. I don't plan on stopping, but sometimes you have to put your life in perspective and realize that dedication to any one thing leaves a lot of other things out. So, I wouldn't necessarily say that people get jaded and cynical all the time, they've just have time to see a more full picture. -KaySEE From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 16:56:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id QAA05988; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA05975; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA29312; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:55:48 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199610092355.QAA29312@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Did someone say PE (NRR). To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:55:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Did someone say PE and in Public Enema, I mean Enemy (I cannot take dcredit for the slip, all props to comedian John Witherspoon one funny as brotha!): You mean the creators of: "Burn hoolywood burn, I smell a riot goin' on, first their guilty now their gone, yeah I'll check out a movie, but it'll take a black one to move me!" <- Fuck Yeah! or "Man I don't want your wife, stop screamin' it's not the end of your life, 'But suppose she said she loved me?', what's wrong with some color in your family tree...I don't know, yeah, I'm just a rhyme sayer, skins protected 'gainst the ozone layer breakdown 2001 might be best to be black or just brown countdown!" or (last one) "Got a letter fromn the govt. the other day, I opened it read it and said they were suckers! They wanted me for thier army or whatever, picture me givin' a damn I said never! Here's a land that never gave a damn, about a brotha like me 'cuz they never did...'cuz I'm a black man, and I could never be a veteran!" Ahh, the poetry of Chuck D. at a rave/partay...now THAT's the vibe! ;) I'm BMW 7 series, "And I'm lookin' for the fence!", jsl From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 17:04:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id RAA06793; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA06785; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id RAA00146; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:04:31 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199610100004.RAA00146@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Hey what's up for the weekend? To: moonbill@sonic.net (Davenport) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <2F3A7592.305A@sonic.net> from "Davenport" at Feb 9, 95 12:05:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Davenport wrote: > > What's everyone doing, are you all going to go to ground zero, > Planitarium or ?????????????? > > So my friend told me that the rave scene has change I think it will > always change. What do you guy's think the rave scene will be like in > let's say 5 years from now??????????? > After 5 years, I think to the lot of people it will be tired and old. Even tires have got to be changed every so often, but it's still a tire nonetheless. I think the SF rave scene will pick up some steam when my son is, oh about 17 or 18. By then he'll have the skills to do the do, and maybe he can hook up with some of the other kids of rave vets and show the old timers how to do it PROPERLY. Man, the synthetics they should have by then coupled with some cranial implants ougtha make tripping safe easy long and effective. Late, jsl From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 17:15:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id RAA07775; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA07769; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Sami Khoury To: michal migurski cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Who's where??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, michal migurski wrote: > wasn't this a widely-distributed essay that some kid *actually* wrote as a > college application essay? And didn't it end with the words "but I haven't > yet been to college?" And didn't he/she get in??? =) I'm not surprised! I > wish mine was that good! Yup, it was Hugh Gallagher's NYU admissions essay (and he got in). Sami From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 17:53:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id RAA10944; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA10931; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA05082; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:53:21 -0700 Received: from ccMail by CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA844908877; Wed, 09 Oct 96 17:45:26 PST Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 17:45:26 PST From: "Ciaran OHara" Message-Id: <9609098449.AA844908877@CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR : Ear-piercing Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Q. Where is the least expensive place to get a simple ear-piercing in SF ? I'm not bothered paying $25 in Anubis Warpis. Thanks, From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 18:02:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id SAA11962; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA11938; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA05354; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:02:08 -0700 Received: from ccMail by CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA844909417; Wed, 09 Oct 96 17:54:05 PST Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 17:54:05 PST From: "Ciaran OHara" Message-Id: <9609098449.AA844909417@CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: RR : any good trance parties this weekend ?? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi : I've got about 3 or more cool & globally aware friends that I want to bring to a proper renegade San Francisco party this weekend. The last good trance I was at was Hallucinations a while back. Anyone now anywhere ? These are good people : My brother, & two friends that deserve a better intro to SF than a commercial club. My bro is over from Ireland for another 2 weeks and I want to show him a party with that unique Californian vibe. Send a private e-mail if your replying. ;) COH From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 18:03:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id SAA12079; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA12067; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id SAA27108; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:03:17 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id SAA24154; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:03:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:03:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Harvey Brown Subject: newbie To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well, i'm a newbie to this list. i just moved here (santa cruz) from southern california. i was on the socal list down there, and it looks like you folks talk about the same type of stuff that they do down there. do you folks meet outside of raves, or put your own ones on?? see ya around eric From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 18:45:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id SAA15954; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA15949; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id SAA04246; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:45:03 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id SAA04803; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:45:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: lost item, phone # To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all! Sorry to put this everyone's box, but hopefully someone can help... I left at the Charity party, at Acme, a bicycle wheel mounted to a square piece of steel tubing. Anyone familiar with my slide show schtuff knows that I use it for my slide show. I feel really stupid for bothering people due to my own ineptitude (or was that drugged exhaution? ;) but I really would like to get it back. If anyone picked it up and would like to help me get it back they can reach me here. I would like to get the phone # of Lamont (sp?) at Acme; he may have it still. On a happier note; I just had my phone turned on after a month or more of disconnection. If anyone would like it, please email me privately. Thanks for your patience. :) hugz, Ran @ Dionysus Dreams -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 19:02:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id TAA17489; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elaine7.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA17478; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from starchld@localhost) by elaine7.Stanford.EDU (8.7.6/8.7.3) id TAA08673 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Kodama Message-Id: <199610100202.TAA08673@elaine7.Stanford.EDU> Subject: stella luna tonight To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:02:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey sorry i'm not posting this until sooooo late but i just finished all my classes =( for the day ... stella luna is playing tonight at ebf (enchanted broccolli forest) here at stanford - ebf is a co-op on the back (i-280) side of campus, right near junipero serra. those of us who saw them at harmony i bet want to see them again ... i know i do! one note - there's probably not much stella luna/underage drinking crossover, but just in case: be aware that the stanford cops (and administration) are on some sort of fucked up crusade to clean up the dorm drinking scene. be careful if you drink, and please don't mess up other people's night - like that really needed to be said. 8) see you there matthew -- |=======================================================================| | | | _surrealism_: formerly a school of art, no longer distinguishable | | from reality. | | | | _Q_: how many surrealists does it take to screw in a light bulb? | | | | _A_: two - one to hold the giraffe, and one to fill the bathtub | | with brightly-colored machine tools. | | | |=======================================================================| -starchld@leland.stanford.edu--the mothership can be reached at 493-4099- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 19:14:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id TAA18502; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA18497; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA06660; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:14:10 -0700 Received: from ccMail by CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA844913737; Wed, 09 Oct 96 19:07:13 PST Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 19:07:13 PST From: "Ciaran OHara" Message-Id: <9609098449.AA844913737@CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: RR : sond equipment Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi : I'm tentatively organising a camping party the weekend after next. All I/we (around 20/30 of us at ther moment) need is some sort of sound system. I don't think a boombox is going to do the job (!) If anyone wants to suggest equipment for a party of this kind please e-mail me. It is just going to be a group of chilled out folk travelling North to sleep/dance/talk under the stars before the weather breaks... ps : We dont want to spend lots of money. Cheers ! COH From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 19:21:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id TAA19129; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA19119; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbktl18947; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 22:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hat71 (hat87.hayward.heald.edu) by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03035; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:27:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:27:03 -0700 Message-Id: <9610100227.AA03035@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) From: Aryck Subject: Re: -->>JUST RELAX<<-- Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 02:21 PM 10/9/96 -0800, you wrote: >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> BEFORE all you guys start going off on Ground Zero being "another >> gangsta fest" why don't you just relax, ckeck it out for the music >> and create your own vibe....and stop bitching. >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >I'm not going off on how much ground zero's going to suck; i'm going off on >how much of a dink ghost is. He's arrogant enough to rate himself "#1" on >his own flyer and a friend of mine has met him and can't seem to find any >nice things to say about the guy personally. > >I might actually go to Ground zero (assuming I get in free with Jon & Sin), >but I'm not expectng much. A flyer advertising several rooms of "audio >devastation" and "sexy anime dancers and a giant robot" just isn't my >style. Sure the DJs might be fucking SICK but music is just one aspect of a >rave, IMNERHO. I mainly go to dance and meet awesome people in a >comfortable family environment. (FnF, harmony, etc.) I'm willing to pass up >a party with a BOMB-ASS line-up (see: funky tekno tribe halloween massive) >in favor of a party where I know I'll be surrounded by beautiful happy >loving people and close friends. (see: halloween FnF) > >I'm not saying Ground Zero will be a gangsta fest for sure, but I'm >assuming it will be becuase the types of people that flyers like THAT >attract tend to be a little shady. Yeah, there'll be alot of cool people >there (yes, you, sherry and ryan! =) but it sucks having to search for them >in a crowd of pimped-out drugged-up lookin'-fer-lovin' foolios. good >quote/paraphrase from the last XLR8R: > >"when the ravers are outnumbered by people who have come to see what ravers >look like it's no longer a celebration but a freak show. and guess which >lot are the freaks?" > >smiles, >and see you kids at FnF!!! >-m. > > > 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 > | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | > | for that whole body thirst situation | > | | > | (- Portfolio! -) | > | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | > | | > | expanded/mirror site under construction... | > | http://www.cyborganic.com/people/lachim/ | > | | > | Michal Migurski | > | (510) 548-3225 | > | | > | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | > | | > 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 > > > > Such beautiful words of wisdom oh Sir Michael. . . My faith is with you. Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 19:41:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id TAA20591; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA20579; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from well.com (cubensis@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id TAA11322; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:40:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bagby Reply-To: John Bagby Subject: Re: What happened to... -Reply To: "John S. Lee" cc: Troy Sheets , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199610092347.QAA28636@netcom20.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, John S. Lee wrote: > > I think the problem revolves around patterns and modes of behavior > get fine talent, and since people in genereal have become pro's and as > such a bit more jaded, it adds to the sense of dullness to it all. yeah you are right on it John S. Lee, but I think the word "jaded" could also apply to the tone of some of the other points in your rant... hey I'm a fan of your posts, and max respect to your other achievements, but Mr. Lee nobody on this planet has been to that party they've "been waiting for". if you're still breathing, you are still raving, in some form or another...! that of course is my humble $.02. ;) you as an Old Skooler would recognize the agelessness of dancing with friends and loved ones, I'd think. You as a partier would also agree to the timeless magic of good beats and kind vibe, yes? The blue buddah never goes away. > asses and do parties if they don't like what's being done, and it is > still a fun scene with alot of nice people. so really you are a raver, this last bit proves it's true in your heart of hearts. it's my net.soapbox opinion that you are just in a "jaded" phase. you'll come through it man! d;) peace love unity respect From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 19:50:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id TAA21275; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA21270; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 204.32.157.148 (tac-wa4-20.ix.netcom.com [204.32.157.148]) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA27807 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:49:45 -0700 Message-ID: <325C6765.2920@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 19:03:01 -0800 From: Ron Thompson Reply-To: Wax66@ix.netcom.com Organization: MLAW X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Ground Zero! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings bay areaites! 8-) I'm a northwest raver (from Seattle area), coming down to rave with all you funky people at Ground Zero. I was wondering if you all are hookin up before the rave, and where? And if anyone needs a ride from like SJ or the like, I may be able to help you out! 8-) Leave me email and let me know! -Wax Groove on you funky ravemeisters.. 8-) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 20:08:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id UAA22782; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA22777; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id UAA10579; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:08:32 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199610100308.UAA10579@netcom6.netcom.com> Subject: Re: What happened to... -Reply To: cubensis@well.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "John Bagby" at Oct 9, 96 07:40:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk PLUR huh.... Well John, thanks for the reply, but out of respect you should respect what *I* wish to call myslef, and not take it upon yourslef to tell me who I am. (This is how fights get started on this list. I know it sounds curt, just being straightforward). Also, you describe my post as jaded...huh? I ave respect to the new ones on the scene, and I was giving my opinion of my perceptions of the problem. I said I still go out, and I have a good time. My intentions though are differnet, and I am WELL aware of why I go out. Accept them. No it was not the post of a jaded raver, just a person who has been on the SF Dance Culture arena/scene/whatever, for a little while. There are others, who are probably 100 or so, who were here duirng the barbary coast, and that makes our little piddly parties look like kindegarten, IMO. I still have a good time when I go out, but I do not rave, not even close. I USED to rave, but I have not been to a "rave" in years. Probably becuase I am not a raver, but someone who lkikes to listen/make house msuic, someone who has friends in the dance culture, and someone who enjoys listenting to goo DJ's, buy a record or two, and hang with the many friends I've made through SF dance culture throughout the years. Jaded, hell...I have good times now like I had good times then. I have the advantage of enjoying it with a historical perspective, having played a part in part or in whole at throwing parties, and having friends who are still doing parties, my two favorite being Wicked and Stompy. Whatever...I know you had good intentions, and gave me props and all. But people, IMO, should spend more time appreciating others experiences rather than making these attempts at redefining or classifying them. We just might do better as a species as a result of such respect. But then again, I could be wrong. Peace out, John :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 21:02:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id VAA26965; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA26953; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id VAA22189; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:01:58 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA06653; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:01:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:01:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: Re: Ground ZERO To: Aryck cc: The Laffin Happy Trip Farmer , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9610091926.AC22476@heald.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Now what kind of sporstwear do these people wear? MX gear? Mountain > climbing outfits? Bowling shirts? Hockey masks? How about golf shoes??? > That's a good Idea, I think next time I'll wear my AXO pants, my golf shoes, > an old soccer jersey, a bicycle helmet, jet ski gloves, swim goggles, rubber > underwear, and some NIKE socks. Then I'll be waaaaay cool. > > Aryck You tell 'em!!! You show them how they are FOOLS! :P MHg ___________ ___________ | _____ | | _____ | | [_____] | -={ RaVe On }=- | [_____] | | __ | | __ | | (__) | | (__) | ^ | | | | ^ \ | _____ | ^ ^ | _____ |/ <-- | / \ | / \ | / \ |--> <--^-- | | | | ---* 0 *---| | | | --^--> <-- | | (_) | | \ /-\ /| | (_) | |--> / | | | |_______==___==_______| | | |\ * | \_____/ | | \_____/ | * |___________|____|_____|_____|____|___________| \ o / \ / |__ o _ | ___\o | o/ o/__ /\ / \ /) | /o\ / ) | (\ / | o ) O/ < \ /\- -| /\O/ _/\ /\ /|_ \\ / / / / // ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- ) ______ ___ _________ ) ( ___ |/ /______ _______ /______ ________ ___ _____ ( ) __ /|_/ / _ __ `/_ __ / _ __ `/__ __ `__ \_ _ \ ) ( _ / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / /_/ / _ / / / / // __/ ) ) /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___/ ) ( ( ) ______ ___ mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ) ( ___ |/ /_____ ___________________ _______________ __( ) __ /|_/ / _ _ \__ ___/_ ___/_ / / /__ ___/__ / / /) ( _ / / / / __/_ / / /__ / /_/ / _ / _ /_/ / ( ) /_/ /_/ \___/ /_/ \___/ \__,_/ /_/ _\__, / ) ( /____/ ( ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 22:08:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id WAA01764; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 22:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA01731; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 22:08:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Anthonymad@aol.com Received: by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA08731 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 01:07:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 01:07:29 -0400 Message-ID: <961010010728_123157652@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: Harper16@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: (NRR) English Signs in other countries! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: English Signs in other countries! Date: 96-10-10 01:06:07 EDT From: Anthonymad To: dx-all@gromit.eng.sun.com CC: mcadden@ucla.edu Friends, Every so often Ann Landers prints english signs people find in other countries that are very humorous. I stumbled upon these the other day and I decided to post these so many of you could get a big kick out of them! English signs collected by Air France employees: TOKYO HOTEL - It is forbidden to steal hotel towels. If you are not a person to do such a thing, please not read this notice. LEIPZIG, GERMANY ELEVATOR - Do not enter the lift backwards, and only when lit up. PARIS HOTEL ELEVATOR - Please leave your values at the front desk. If you lose them in your room, we are not responsible. ATHENS HOTEL - Visitors are expected to complain at the office between the hours of 9 and 11am daily. YUGOSLAVIAN HOTEL - The flattening of underwear with pleasure is the job of the chambermaid. JAPANESE HOTEL - You are invited to take advantage of the womenwho are employed to clean the rooms. MOSCOW HOTEL - You are welcome to visit the cemetery where famous Russian and Soviet composers, artists, and writers are buried daily except Thursday. HONG KONG TAILOR SHOP - Ladies may have a fit upstairs. BANGKOK DRY CLEANERS - Drop you trousers here for best results. PARIS DRESS SHOP - Elegant dresses designed for street walking. Rhodes, Greece, TAILOR SHOP - Order your summer suit. Because of the big rush we will execute customers in strict rotation. JAPANESE HOTEL - Cold and Heat: If you want to condition the warm in your room, please control yourself. GERMAN CAMPING SITE - It is strictly forbidden on our Black Forest camping site that people of defferent sex, for instance, men and women, live together in one tent unless they are married with each other for that purpose. ROME LAUNDRY - Ladies, please leave your clothes here and spend the the afternoon having a good time. COPENHAGEN AIRLINE - We take your bags and send them in all directions. MOSCOW HOTEL - If this is your first visit to the USSR, you are welcome to it. NORWEGIAN LOUNGE - Ladies are requested not to have children in the bar. TOKYO CAR RENTAL CO. - When passenger with heavy foot is in sight, tootle the horn. Trumpet him melodiously at first, but if he still obstacles your passage, then tootle him with vigor. Your Friend, Antone! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 23:40:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id XAA07766; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA07760; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <282454(16)>; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:34:23 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Oct 1996 23:34:05 PDT From: "Otto Matic" To: branka@sirius.com, , shawna-@ix.netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Annoying things about replies / posts Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <96Oct9.233423pdt.282454(16)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:34:05 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You Wrote: >When you post, please use paragraphs... Yes. You know they used to call it letter writing. Grammer. Spelling. You know all that stuff we would have learned if we had not cut class all those days. Hey, I just did it. It can't be that hard. Now we just have to work on the "Post only the smallest part of the original post that you need in order to be clear" thing. Wow! If I can do this then anyone can! otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Oct 9 23:53:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id XAA08584; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA08575; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id XAA18802; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:53:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:56:18 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: -->>JUST RELAX<<-- Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) wrote: ... >in favor of a party where I know I'll be surrounded by beautiful happy >loving people and close friends. (see: halloween FnF) So, is there one this year? I haven't heard a thing, but I'd sure like to. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 00:49:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id AAA12186; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spain.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id AAA12181; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Default (Cust100.Max2.San-Francisco.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.35.234.100]) by spain.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA00932; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961010004745.2f97a2ec@earthlink.net> X-Sender: shannonr@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Adam Mednick/philip diaz From: Shannon Subject: Re: Who's where??? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 02:05 PM 10/9/96 -0700, phillip diaz: >my name's philip diaz...i live in (that sorry excuse for a >'city') downtown sj hey! i live in downtown san jose too! this is shannon, and i am a seldom poster but a daily reader! i go to san jose state university, majoring in industrial/orginizational psychology & environmental studies, minoring in anthropology(main emphasis right now is in archaeology!) [whew!] - obviously keeps me from doing much else - (i noticed at least one e-mail address on a sfraves post from sjsu! hi!) i have been going to raves since about 1993. the main reason why i am responding is because i have been trying to learn how to play the digeridoo for awhile on a pvc pipe. i just got the real thing for my birthday and was looking for someone who is willing to help me with circular breathing and making more than one drone out of it. if you know of anyone, please send me a message personally. well, that's it for me. peace. ~~although it is a dogs life for a cool kat~~ ~~it is the beauty, hope and togetherness that i will forever believe~~ ~~the cappuccino kid (a.k.a. paul weller)~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 00:50:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id AAA12286; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spain.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id AAA12280; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Default (Cust100.Max2.San-Francisco.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.35.234.100]) by spain.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA00999; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961010004915.2f9730d6@earthlink.net> X-Sender: shannonr@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rayvonie@ix.netcom.com (Ray Vonie) From: Shannon Subject: Re: About the XLR8r review of SF scene Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 03:20 PM 10/9/96 -0700, vlad wrote: > >Did anybody have a chance to read the scene review in the latest >issue??? If you have not yet done so, mabee you should and see how you >feel about it?? When I read it, let me tell you, I was rely upset. >That thing read like a big fucking insult to the entire SF rave >culture. I felt like we had a great and positive summer and that there >were a lot of great parties, but after reading the bi-monthly review of >the "scene report" It almost made me sick. i have to agree with you. it was a real downer of an article, both pieces. a major difference without donovan writing it. :( ~~although it is a dogs life for a cool kat~~ ~~it is the beauty, hope and togetherness that i will forever believe~~ ~~the cappuccino kid (a.k.a. paul weller)~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 03:35:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id DAA26972; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id DAA26965; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from well.com (phred@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id DAA08670; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA20448; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:35:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9610100335.ZM20446@well.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:35:52 -0700 In-Reply-To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) "Re: What happened to... -Reply" (Oct 9, 8:08pm) References: <199610100308.UAA10579@netcom6.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee), cubensis@well.com Subject: Re: What happened to... -Reply Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think you're overreacting, cubensis. jslee was responding only tangentially, and I don't think he meant it at all personally as you felt it was. You talk about not being a raver now. In retrospect, my firm belief is that "raving" in SF meant a quite different experience than in many other places, in part because of its "Disco City" history. Acid house seems to have made a bigger impact there than most other places, and I count myself lucky that I lived through some of that. There's onluy a glimmer of those times any more, and that's what John was really talking about. I had a long talk with someone the other night that some of you may know -- he was an original Rave Called Sharon partner, worked at DV8 and 1015, he knows what's up. After hearing his perspective a bit -- which helped fill in some of my own history -- it just reaffirmed that what happened in SF was similar to but so much different than elsewhere. It couldn't have, and never did, stay in the same place very long, and as always our memories highlight the exceptional experience. But it *was* truly exceptional, and I even missed out on most of the earlier phases. That time will come again, it always does, maybe not in SF, but we'll know about it when it does and if we're lucky, we'll be part of it once again. In the meantime, while the scene as a whole is jaded, the bright spots are still there and shine as brightly in SF as anywhere. Sunset, Harmony, F&F, daytimes at Golden Gate Park, great house parties, the once-in-a-blue- moon top megaparty . . . I've been chained to my desk for over three months now, and I can't tell you how much I miss it. But I'll be back! In the meantime, a small word of advice for those who look askance on jslee's claims to have been there, done that and got the postcards. He was, he did, and he does :-) phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 04:19:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id EAA01774; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 04:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from online.no by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id EAA01767; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 04:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.telepost.no (asker210.telepost.no [193.214.144.126]) by online.no (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17161 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:19:26 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:19:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199610101119.NAA17161@online.no> X-Sender: balexand@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Sune Alexandersen Subject: HI ALL.. and goodbye:( (NRR) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My father has just bought a new computer and he uses the modem on this one.. So I don`t have net-access anymore...:( I have to unsub this list because of the amount of posts.. Thaddi-- I`m sending you the tape at the end of this week.. sorry about the delay Brendan-- are you still up for swapping? I am:) It`s been nice joining you all on the list... Thanks for all the help and all the nice words sent my way You can still reach me at Sune Alexandersen (I think..) ENJOY YOURSELF! i shall return! Love, always Sune Alexandersen "The guy from the land of the vikings and the midnight sun" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 08:19:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id IAA19046; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA19040; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.8) id IAA03910; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610101519.IAA03910@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: Skylinks - BSP - Sacto Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Just wanted to let you know of a party happening in Sacramento this Saturday. DJ's are as follows: xpress celestial pyramid mike moss sol stevie There will be a really nice out door ambient space with booth seating and what not. DJ's/performances will be as follows: RE: (Performing Live) (An element of Consciousess Lab) Seth (Consciousness Lab Ambient Sound Re:search) Ben (Good friend moving out from Salt Lake) Jonny (Maybe, if he get's back from the Bay area in time) Cost $5 10 pm - ? (916) 759-9683 (209) 547-3285 A copy of the flyer is located at http://www.infinary.com, "Let me have silence always in the centre of the shouting, that is essential. Let me have silence so that no pin may drop and not be heard, and not a whisper. Escape us for all our spouting, nor the needle scratching upon this gramophone of the circular cosmic spot. Hear me, mark me, learn me, throw the mind's ear open. Shut up the mind's eye, all will be music. What sculpture of sound cannot, what cannot as a fluid token words, that nothing else cannot." -Wyndham Lewis From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 08:40:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id IAA20878; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA20863; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA05391; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:39:48 -0700 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA16195; Thu, 10 Oct 96 08:39:47 PDT Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11350; Thu, 10 Oct 96 08:39:45 PDT From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9610101539.AA11350@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Re: What happened to... -Reply To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 8:39:44 PDT Cc: jlf3@mofo.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk KaySEE: > As for people who have been >doing it from the beginning (greater than 6 years), I don't know what they >do, I'm not there. Some people start making the music which appears to be >a natural progression. There is a contiuum of experiences with raving and >age. People just simply find themselves at different points. I still find it hard to compare any experience with the peak moments I've had dancing at the better raves in my life. I'm not going to bore everyone with all the reasons why those peak moments seem harder to come by these days. But one thing that has become clear over the last 2 years, is that some of us reach a point where we want more in our lives than an ongoing continuim of amazing Nows. The Reality Beyond calls for our attention: there's a big, weird world out there, for better or worse. The metaphysical connections some make to it through the rhythm/dance/plur experience of raving can start to feel illusionary and shallow if not accompanied by a more "reality"-based involvement with the things happening around us. For many, the responsibilities of careers/family/health call us away. Others choose paths that seem to have more substance in a political, creative, spiritual or social sense. There are other thriving scenes and intimate social circles in the SF Bay Area that attempt to do many of the things that raving has only touches upon. Despite its flaws, the rave scene still seems like a wonderful place to be. As long as you have your clique of raver friends, it's pretty hard not to have some great times. I used to wonder if there would ever be anything to replace it in my life. I'm happy to say that the Universe is an infinitely rich place for endless exploration. Lee _________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 08:58:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id IAA22626; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA22608; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worm.hooked.net (moonpup@worm.hooked.net [206.80.6.43]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10577 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA03929; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610101558.IAA03929@worm.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Ride to either tribal future or Planetarium Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have been asked to dj at planetarium (camping trip) and I was in need of a ride..... .....or I have asked mark (formerly mark ameba) if I can spin at tribal future and he said O.K...... so I am in need of a ride in addition I have been asked to spin in sacramento for steve this sat nite...... oh whats a pup to do......... I await a response from anyone who can give me a ride to any of these events.......... thanks and where-ever I end up this weekend.......it's got to be funky....... moonpup @415-337-6666 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 08:58:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id IAA22634; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA22609; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worm.hooked.net (moonpup@worm.hooked.net [206.80.6.43]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10587 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA03938; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610101558.IAA03938@worm.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Ride to either tribal future or Planetarium Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have been asked to dj at planetarium (camping trip) and I was in need of a ride..... .....or I have asked mark (formerly mark ameba) if I can spin at tribal future and he said O.K...... so I am in need of a ride in addition I have been asked to spin in sacramento for steve this sat nite...... oh whats a pup to do......... I await a response from anyone who can give me a ride to any of these events.......... thanks and where-ever I end up this weekend.......it's got to be funky....... moonpup @415-337-6666 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 09:13:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA24137; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhost.ampex.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA24122; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ampex.com (amppo.ampex.com) by uhost.ampex.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05325; Thu, 10 Oct 96 09:12:39 PDT Received: from dst.dst-eng by ampex.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17749; Thu, 10 Oct 96 09:16:44 PDT Received: from dst-s4-130.ampex by dst.dst-eng (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25391; Thu, 10 Oct 96 09:13:49 PDT Received: by dst-s4-130.ampex (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02804; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:11:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:11:54 -0700 From: grant@ampex.com (Grant Melvin) Message-Id: <199610101611.JAA02804@dst-s4-130.ampex> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR:So much traffic Cc: grant@ampex.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There must be a PONY in here somewhere! Peace (or annihilation) - Da Funky Scotsman - From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 09:13:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA24148; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhost.ampex.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA24125; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ampex.com (amppo.ampex.com) by uhost.ampex.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05328; Thu, 10 Oct 96 09:12:44 PDT Received: from dst.dst-eng by ampex.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17752; Thu, 10 Oct 96 09:16:49 PDT Received: from dst-s4-130.ampex by dst.dst-eng (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25396; Thu, 10 Oct 96 09:13:54 PDT Received: by dst-s4-130.ampex (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02806; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:11:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:11:59 -0700 From: grant@ampex.com (Grant Melvin) Message-Id: <199610101611.JAA02806@dst-s4-130.ampex> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Vinyl Shops Cc: grant@ampex.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OK lads & lassies, I have a friend from the UK arriving tomorrow via working in Denver (poor sod) who is a massive vinyl junkie and wants to hit stores in S.F. over the weekend. He'll be looking for (hard) house grooves and techno as well as anything distinctly S.F. So let me know your fave vinyl outlet and we'll pop by tomorrow or Saturday. - Da Funky Scotsman - From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 09:17:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA24435; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhost.ampex.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA24423; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ampex.com (amppo.ampex.com) by uhost.ampex.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05368; Thu, 10 Oct 96 09:16:11 PDT Received: from dst.dst-eng by ampex.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17791; Thu, 10 Oct 96 09:20:16 PDT Received: from dst-s4-130.ampex by dst.dst-eng (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25416; Thu, 10 Oct 96 09:17:21 PDT Received: by dst-s4-130.ampex (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02808; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:15:26 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:15:26 -0700 From: grant@ampex.com (Grant Melvin) Message-Id: <199610101615.JAA02808@dst-s4-130.ampex> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR:Dig a Pony Cc: grant@ampex.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "That was Dig A Pony by Georgy 1, Now I'd like to do How The Angels Come" John Lennon Peace (or annihilation) - Da Fucked Up Scotsman - From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 09:22:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA25026; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA25020; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worm.hooked.net (moonpup@worm.hooked.net [206.80.6.43]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18075; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:22:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA04647; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610101622.JAA04647@worm.hooked.net> To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: -->>JUST RELAX<<-- Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, Oct 9, 1996 2:21:32 PM at michal migurski wrote: >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> BEFORE all you guys start going off on Ground Zero being "another >> gangsta fest" why don't you just relax, ckeck it out for the music >> and create your own vibe....and stop bitching. >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >I'm not going off on how much ground zero's going to suck; i'm going off on >how much of a dink ghost is. He's arrogant enough to rate himself "#1" on >his own flyer and a friend of mine has met him and can't seem to find any >nice things to say about the guy personally. I just wanted to say that I have zero respect for DJ ghost since he dissed me on a tape cover he made about 3 years ago....... I was in charge of the DJ line-up in the small room at one of the community benefits held at the richmond auditorium, and I already had too many DJ's and I already excluded myself (as a DJ that nite), to help give everyone have a chance to play....... now somebody (I won't say who), told ghost he could play, and I had already nixed him as a possible DJ because of time restraints and I felt at the time his techno was too hard for the room (not nessesarily the right reason, but it was my decision to make), anyway.....he shows up with his records and expected to spin.......... I explained to him he was mis-informed and the person was out of line to tell him he could spin...... I truly felt bad about the situation and tried to apologize and smooth it over, however.......... .......... it was a bad vibe and so life goes on..........until about a month or so later when he puts out a tape, and he thanks all the people of SF etc......bla bla bla............. and then at the end of his list of thanks he puts.........and no thanks to the brit posse & moonpup....... I thought ......what a jerk...........he may have his hard feelings and granted, maybe he felt slighted, and justified to slag me off, ..........but on a tape !!!!! well ever since, I have had no respect for his style or vibe........ just another bad vibe story from the pupster.......... moonpup oh yeah......... the party went off and the vibe was awsome...... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 09:31:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA25799; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA25794; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worm.hooked.net (moonpup@worm.hooked.net [206.80.6.43]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20670; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05069; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610101631.JAA05069@worm.hooked.net> To: Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, c9d@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Re: What happened to... -Reply Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, Oct 9, 1996 4:09:01 PM at Troy Sheets wrote: >> >> >> c9d@ix.netcom wrote: >> "everyone seems all bitter and jaded".... >> >> As someone who is relatively new to the whole "rave scene" (my six >> month birthday is coming up in a few weeks! Yay!) it really saddens >> me to see how burnt out so many of my fellow gruvers are...This isn't >> everyone, of course, but it seems like the majority of people who are >> partying in the 21+ age set are kind of spent, since those are the > >This seems to describe me... > >Play me some truly innovative music and you will me become a lot more >enthusiastic. Does anybody else find the current state of music in >this city to be stale? Or is it just me? > >What do I want to hear? Funky, downbeat goa. Music I can groove to that >has many layers of thick analogue synths.... with an emphasis on FUNK... >with some hip-hop influence. I want to work my body into a groove... >NOT just bounce around. > >I am really tired of that 135 bpm kick drum on every beat music. > >The last thing I heard that I really liked was Liquid Blue's set >in the ambient room at Harmony. > >-troy > troy, I'm happy to know I'm not the only one who is tired of the 135+ 4 to the floor sound........ I love to play and listen to funky breaks and acid efx....... with some occaisional 4/4 acid beats layered in........ lots of liquid experimental beats............. moonpup From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 09:32:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA25880; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA25857; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg133-018.ricochet.net [204.179.133.18]) by mail1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA23185 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:31:23 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961010162946.006e6824@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:29:46 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: soma lunch anyone? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- anyone in the multimedia gulch district that wants to meet for lunch? i'm at 2'nd and townsend, and would love to meet anyone for lunch who desires (i know there are ravers everywhere in this neighborhood!) so, either e-mail me at mdpl@best.com, or call me at work at 415-777-9901 (verbum, inc.) thanks, and i look forward to seeing some of you for lunch!! btw- HAPPY, LOVING, WONDERFUL THURSDAY!!! (can you hear the thump already? i'm exicted for this weekend!) love- matt l matthew d. p. k. lanier professional hugger and empath mdpkl@best.com 415-752-3218 _______ / \ / o o \ | ^ | | | ___ \ \_/ / ___ __(___\ \__ __/ /___)__ (______ \________\ /_________/ ______) (_______ ____________________ _______) (______ / \ ______) (_____/ \_____) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 09:33:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA26195; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA26187; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worm.hooked.net (moonpup@worm.hooked.net [206.80.6.43]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21245; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05116; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610101633.JAA05116@worm.hooked.net> To: Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: What happened to... -Reply Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I picked up one of moonpups tapes at Charity and it definately has some >FUNK to it. Very cool! Even has some Public Enemy in it. > >j > thanx dude......... I hate to talk about my tapes as it reeks of BSP, but I do love my funky sound........ and I appreciate those those who appreciate my style.....thanx again...... moonpup From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 09:35:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA26356; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA26348; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA05236 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:34:08 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:34:07 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lowe To: SF-Raver Family Subject: Totally NRR: Happy! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I got Bert my Gingham Bunny back!!!!!!!!!! Life is good! Wahooooo! Yippeee! Hurray! ObRave: -> I've decided I'll be going to the Proposition 215 party, despite my earlier intentions of taking a break this weekend - so I'll see all you crazies there! ObFlakiness: -> i love you! : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : : Everything not strictly forbidden is now MANDATORY. : : - The Schwa Corporation : :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMl0lbqD2AoV67volAQFmGgf/TNEkPv/ofngv4oAx4wvDSO0rfoo+md1S SeIo/yhG8u0lJrx0qXLdjT9hEGlprp/WCgq+3Eh91Xy+NwSvTtoKBCzM8MuEzeoz xKS3s2TUtgWSAzlJI8sDrLSkrhBT0jh/vgLDEGMRhXQOf06ZskfsXbgCiUGJQVwT 9kkfGQ5pFFEJbl8ZoEG6HY1PxpCVym6TiZU8oAXv5gwyyGwdg1Az3NB8zQ7PRsWY INqwMCqf5M1se/wdi/j1N3tONAqhdjL1BShmO5hr8TVO4Xt1UD0ntkHRulGH2x84 LeVmaMGHM9W6Ee9ScKowTZgnedfl+k4DwjMAasDJ4yNNYLXWUisilg== =iB0K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 09:47:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id JAA27479; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alumnae.caltech.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA27471; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lenchang@localhost) by alumnae.caltech.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id JAA01886 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:46:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chinley L. Chang" Message-Id: <199610101646.JAA01886@alumnae.caltech.edu> Subject: BSP: Charity Mailing List To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:46:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everybody! Thanks to everyone for all the positive comments and constructive criticism about Charity! I know that the Charity crew is taking all of your advice to heart! I don't have an exact figure for the amount raised for LACY but it is a pretty substantial amount and the figure will be posted when the check clears the proper channels =) Thanks again for all your support! With Charity YOU are the ones that make it all happen!! If you'd like to be on the Charity mailing list, please e-mail me with your name, address, phone, e-mail addr, and whatever else you feel like sharing, and I'll forward it on to the wonderful and beauteous Libby, who is handling the list! Smiles, Chin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 10:09:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA29867; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA29855; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shamini@localhost) by alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov (8.6.11/8.6.11) id KAA15281 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:09:06 -0700 From: Shamini Jain Message-Id: <199610101709.KAA15281@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov> Subject: NRR: Tigger!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:09:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Apologies if this has been sent out b4, But I want you all to have your greatest wish! ;oD Besides, Tigger is Omar's favorite, right? love, shamini /--`' \_@~@.--< The wonderful thing about Tiggers `--'\ \ <___/. Is Tiggers are wonderful things. \ \\ " / Their tops are made out of rubber >=\\_/`< Their bottoms are made out of springs. ____ /= | \_/ They're bouncy, trouncy, flouncy, pouncy, _' `\ _/=== \__/ Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun! `___/ //\./=/~\====\ But the best thing about Tiggers is \ // / | ===| I'm the only one! | ._/_,__|_ ==| __ \/ \\ \\`=-| / \\ | _ \\| /==|-\ `.__' `-____/ |--|==| \ \ ===\ |==|`-' _> \ ===\ /==/ /==\ | ===\__/--/> <=== \ / ====\ \\/ _`-- \/ === \/--' | \ ==== | -`------/`--' / \___-' This is just for future readers: This began in 1996, not much of a past, but it works. So here are the rules: *If you read this on a Sunday, wish for a really fun week *If you read this on a Monday, wish for money *If you read this on a Tuesday, wish for love *If you read this on a Wednesday, wish for success *If you read this on a Thursday, wish for anything you want *If you read this on a Friday, wish for a really hot date *If you read this on a Saturday, wish for an important phone call Send this to seven people (after you make a wish). Make sure it is mailed as soon as you read it or your wish won't come true. And check your horoscope, it could be very useful. REMEMBER, make a WISH, send this letter (and hope it happens). From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 10:19:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA01075; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA01065; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worm.hooked.net (moonpup@worm.hooked.net [206.80.6.43]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02525 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:19:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA06783; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610101719.KAA06783@worm.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BSP- more delicious funky tapes Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am at it again........ I have just completed 2 new tapes (yes thats 4 in the last 3 weeks.......) VORTEX ......... trip hop 100 minute tape with lots of variety of choons.......like...... police, freaky chakra, depth charge, grace jones, steve miller remix, etc........ plus other wierd stuff TAKE YOU THERE....(as in "i'll take you there")..... lots of electro beats from jedi knights, led zeppelin remix, prince dub, phuture (moments in love mix), expando, simply jeff, etc......... plus other breaks and classic house trax (in the light we live..... etc.....)........smoothly mixed I have heard from many of you showing interest, but I need your Phone #'s to call you back and arrange swapping tapes for $$........... remember only 3 weeks before I go back to the UK........... please don't delay........ I also have OBSESSION........... more uptempo than usual (for moonpup....circa 96) lots of harder house with old school breakbeats and electro elements....... like josh wink remix with public enemy samples, woodshed. funk phenominon (special mix), acid funk (hardkiss), some skint & wall of pussy tracks............etc.......even some trancy elements.......... TRIPNOSIS.......... the usual moonpup explosion of triphop & other funky vibes......like freaky chakra, environmental scientist, woodshed, jedi knights, full moon scientist, and many other unheard of juicy phat phunk tracks......... thanks again for the BSP............. moonpup @415-337-6666 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 10:29:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA01990; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.thestranger.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA01979; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.238.224.10] by mail.thestranger.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:25:58 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199610101709.KAA15281@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:25:53 -0700 To: Shamini Jain From: Glenn Subject: Re: NRR: Tigger!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Apologies if this has been sent out b4, >But I want you all to have your greatest wish! ;oD >Besides, Tigger is Omar's favorite, right? Boing, boing, boing!!! It's my favorite too!!! =) Thanks for sending that out. It really made my day! Love Tigger __,,,,_ _ _ ___.--'''`--''// ,-o `-. \`)' O | \ \ o\/ /.// / ,- o,_ /_` \ |o ) | O|. /o// / -.,_o `-. /<0\ ) \ | | ||/ //o| \/ O \`-.o`-._ / _.-. .-\,O__| _-| /o\ \/|_/ | `-._) `-\ \/ | /o__/ \__O / |o_// `-' | -| -|\__ \ |-'| __/ o /__,-o ),'o |' ((__.-'((____..-' \__,' ______________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 10:37:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA03083; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA03073; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from drenalin@localhost) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA10513; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:57:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Nelson To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: (bsp) Planetarium on the WEB (NOSR) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, i just finished adding directions to the site at: http://www.cloudfactory.org/upcoming.html pass it around.... love, \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Tim McKnew mcknew@salinas.net /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ps we'll be sending em to the list with some suggestions on what to bring and a dj lineup. love drenalin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 10:53:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id KAA05004; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alumnae.caltech.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA04993; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lenchang@localhost) by alumnae.caltech.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA07465; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:52:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chinley L. Chang" Message-Id: <199610101752.KAA07465@alumnae.caltech.edu> Subject: Re: NRR: Tigger!! To: shamini@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov (Shamini Jain) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199610101709.KAA15281@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov> from "Shamini Jain" at Oct 10, 96 10:09:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Send this to seven people (after you make a wish). Make sure > it is mailed as soon as you read it or your wish won't come true. > And check your horoscope, it could be very useful. > > REMEMBER, make a WISH, send this letter (and hope it happens). > Geez, and you just mailed it to seven HUNDRED people! Does that mean you get a hundred wishes? =) Smiles, you made my day! Chin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 11:47:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id LAA10435; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA10410; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ebay.Sun.COM (ebaymail2.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.111.20]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id LAA20843; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:47:11 -0700 Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id LAA20843; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:47:11 -0700 Received: from dtbds5.EBay.Sun.COM by Ebay.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id LAA27196; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:47:07 -0700 Received: by dtbds5.EBay.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02060; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:45:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:45:33 -0700 From: guillermo.lemus@Ebay.Sun.COM (Guillermo Lemus) Message-Id: <199610101845.LAA02060@dtbds5.EBay.Sun.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NRR:Dig a Pony Cc: grant@ampex.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "LET IT BE" VERTIGO > From grant@ampex.com Thu Oct 10 09:15:59 1996 > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:15:26 -0700 > From: grant@ampex.com (Grant Melvin) > To: sfraves@hyperreal.com > Subject: NRR:Dig a Pony > Cc: grant@ampex.com > > > "That was Dig A Pony by Georgy 1, > Now I'd like to do How The Angels Come" > John Lennon > > Peace (or annihilation) > > - Da Fucked Up Scotsman - > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 11:50:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id LAA10686; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA10668; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from constitution.hotmail.com by constitution.hotmail.com id <282454(19)>; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:48:17 -0700 Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Oct 1996 23:34:05 PDT From: "Otto Matic" To: branka@sirius.com, , shawna-@ix.netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Annoying things about replies / posts Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <96Oct10.114817pdt.282454(19)@constitution.hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:34:05 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You Wrote: >When you post, please use paragraphs... Yes. You know they used to call it letter writing. Grammer. Spelling. You know all that stuff we would have learned if we had not cut class all those days. Hey, I just did it. It can't be that hard. Now we just have to work on the "Post only the smallest part of the original post that you need in order to be clear" thing. Wow! If I can do this then anyone can! otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 11:59:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id LAA11715; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA11705; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.179.129.2] (artichoke.salinas.net [205.179.129.2]) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA11159 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:19:04 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:14:54 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: drenalin@salinas.net (Scott Nelson) Subject: HCBSP Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello SFR, This is the voice of the Cloud Factory... This Saturday and Sunday, October 12-13, 2:00pm-2:00pm, 1996, .... PLANETARIUM There is a $15 suggested donation for tickets, with proceeds split between Omar's Healing Fund and Cloud Sound. (408) 457-7726 In East Bay we have tickets at Drop Beat, a new record store in Oakland! www.dropbeat.com 5417 College Avenue, Oakland In SF we have tickets at Frequency-8, www.frequency-8.com (mars this isnt working for some reason?) 1816 Haight Street In San Jose we have tickets at Solid Grooves 368 S. Bascom, San Jose There will also be tickets available on the mountain. Everyone who gets there before sunset will get a special treat. You can get more info about the party and see pictures of the site (whoohooo!) at our website @ www.cloudfactory.org/upcoming.html Preparations: If you are planning on attending this weekend, there are several things you should keep in mind. The last hour of the drive is a dirt road that is fairly steep and bumpy. If you are driving your car should be at least 8-10 inches above the ground. Make sure you have a fair amount of gas when you leave the freeway--that's not the end of the journey. Remember we are a LONG way from town, so if you haven't stopped to get supplies by the time you get to Healdsburg, you better hit a store. Here's some goodies that might come in handy: * a gallon of water * food * sleeping bag or blankets * smile, or three * tent * sun screen * bug repellant * snacks Schedule--Turntable Instumentalists and Live Acts: System A: System B: > 02:00 Spinsilver >02:00 Jason > 03:45 Gizmo >03:45 Lee > 05:30 Astronaut Scott >05:30 drenalin > 07:15 15 min break >07:15 Jeyson > 07:30 Mike Clay >09:00 15 min. break > 09:00 10 Bass T >09:15 swoops > 10:15 Brian Flipp >11:00 inTIMidator > 12:00 K-Go >12:45 Cloud > 02:00 Maya >02:30 Deaks > 03:45 15 min. break >04:15 John Carel > 04:00 Elflord >06:00 15 min. break > 05:45 Stonie >06:15 Joe Rice (plus one) > 07:30 >08:00 Brad > 09:15 Rich >09:45 Sig/Tina > 11:00 Christian >11:30 Monty > 12:45 Gabba Dave Directions: From San Francisco: *101 North towards Healdsburg, go past Santa Rosa *Exit on Dry Creek Road, the third exit in Healdsburg (make sure you have a full tank) *Turn left on Dry Creek Road, set your odometer *at 12.1 miles turn left, the sign will read Skagg Springs Road Annapolis Highway 1 *watch for the sign with a Saturn picture on it *turn left and reset that odometer baby, use your lower gears and not your brakes *at 11.5 miles the road gets narrow, *at 12.0 miles take a right on the dirt road, follow signs to the spot Reasons to make sure to get there early: * Sunset on Saturday * If you get there before sunset Sabin has a special surprise for you. * The Exxon at Dry Creek Rd. closes at 9:30 pm (you need gas before you start up Dry Creek) * If you come up during the day the drive is through beautiful wine country * It is safer for you to drive the dirt road during the day * We want to spend more time with you =) SEE YOU THERE................ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Tim McKnew mcknew@salinas.net /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Nelson - Webmaster/System Adminstrator SalinasNet * admin@salinas.net http://www.salinas.net/ WebWorks * admin@webworks.org http://www.webworks.org/ (408) 759-2875 pager (800) 974-5211 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 12:22:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA14227; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA14215; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gebco.ix.netcome.com (str-ca2-33.ix.netcom.com [207.93.43.97]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA27309 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:21:44 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961010192632.00678d74@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: c9d@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:26:32 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Micron Subject: Re: Annoying things about replies / posts Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:34 PM 10/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >You Wrote: > >>When you post, please use paragraphs... > >Yes. You know they used to call it letter writing. Grammer. Spelling. You >know all that stuff we would have learned if we had not cut class all those > >"Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man I was rollin when i saw this....YEAH we SHOULD use proper spelling and GRAMMAR.<---- Oh gee is that how it's spelled? Oh yeah, and a BIG thursday HUG for all. Fri. is tomorrow. YEAH! PLUR Micron ______________________________________________________________ | // /// // ////// ////// ////// /// // | | // // //// // // // // // // // // // | | // // // // // // /// // // // // // | | // / // // // // // // // // //// | |// // // ////// // // ////// // // | |_____________________________________________________________| PLUR! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 12:43:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id MAA16226; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misnt1.rely.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA16215; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by misnt1.rely.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBB6A8.98784380@misnt1.rely.com>; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:43:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: Adam Guevara To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" , "'drenalin@salinas.net'" , "'lguevara@cisco.com'" , "'solrac@sjsr.com'" Subject: RE: HCBSP Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:43:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >---------- >Hello SFR, >Hello Cloud Factory... >This is the voice of the Cloud Factory... > >This Saturday and Sunday, October 12-13, 2:00pm-2:00pm, 1996, .... >PLANETARIUM > > > System A: System B: > > > 02:00 Spinsilver >02:00 Jason > > 03:45 Gizmo >03:45 Lee > > 05:30 Astronaut Scott >05:30 drenalin > > 07:15 15 min break >07:15 Jeyson > > 07:30 Mike Clay >09:00 15 min. >break > > 09:00 10 Bass T >09:15 swoops Huh??? Umm, excuse me... It's not me to post public flames on the net, I mean we're a family... right??? So when I read this post on the line up I was quite suprised to find SJ's very own10BassT on a prime time slot. Cool, I thought, I get to check out my brother, Selector G, spin @ a rave again... Ya see, Selector G used to spin @ the LA massives back in 90, which , incidentally brought me into the scene... So, imagine my suprise when I found that NO ONE of the 10BassT crew (Selector, Solrac, nor Milo) were aware of any performance this Saturday, lest alone anyone from Cloud Factory contacting them. ---Not cool--- Well, I belive that if this is a different 10BassT, not the one that has been named "one of the top 10 underground bands in the bay area"(BAM Magazine), played @ Lollapaloza in 94', opened for Counting Crows at the Fillmore or had various articicels written on them by Metro Magazine, not to mention a new CD and tape relased this Tuesday (Do You Know the Way?) then my deepest apologies... But if not, then I feel that this post is just and fair. ---Adam BTW: this email has been CC'ed to the appropriate 10BassT members and Im positive they will be contacting you soon... >Very soon... > SalinasNet * admin@salinas.net http://www.salinas.net/ > WebWorks * admin@webworks.org http://www.webworks.org/ > (408) 759-2875 pager (800) 974-5211 >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 13:05:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA18660; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA18647; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA11634 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:05:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:05:22 -0400 Message-ID: <961010160521_207188578@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: TEST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk TEST From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 13:10:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA19326; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA19307; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg132-080.ricochet.net [204.179.132.80]) by mail1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA25439 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:10:23 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961010200844.006ccfb0@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:08:44 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: to the posting police Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yo- to the recently self-appointed posting police: chill out just a little. we are about communicating ideas, not about enforcing structure. the rules of grammer, while making your ideas clearer and easier to the reader, also have this nasty tendency to constrain your ideas. when we start spending more energy on the structure of our posts, that energy comes at the expense of our ideas, thoughts, and other creative energies. imho, this largely unexplored medium, (the internet) is all about casting out the old structural ideas and developing new ones. plus, many individuals may have different ideas about how to structure posts and communication. so, deal. that's my $2 (everything's expensive in south park) on the other hand, we do need to be concerned about people's ability to understand out ideas. it's a fine line. "creativity at the expense of netiquette" love- matt matthew d. p. k. lanier professional hugger and empath mdpkl@best.com 415-752-3218 _______ / \ / o o \ | ^ | | | ___ \ \_/ / ___ __(___\ \__ __/ /___)__ (______ \________\ /_________/ ______) (_______ ____________________ _______) (______ / \ ______) (_____/ \_____) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 13:11:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA19414; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA19404; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from well.com (cubensis@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA13196; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bagby Reply-To: John Bagby Subject: Re: What happened to... -Reply To: Fred Heutte , "John S. Lee" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199610100308.UAA10579@netcom6.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk just stokin' the fires folks! not trying to classify or pigeonhole anyone! free to be u and me and shake yer tush to whateva moves it! > claims to have been there, done that and got the postcards hey i'm not looking askance at these claims at all. if fact, they are obviously true just by reading the perspectives jsl shares! and phred, i was definitely overreacting tangentially. ;) peaceout! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 13:18:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA20271; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA20262; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (webe-22.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.9.22]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19846 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610102018.NAA19846@mom.hooked.net> From: "Mr nStuff" To: Subject: Re: Ground Zero (IMPORTIANT UPDATE) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:12:27 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Why iz everybody talking shit bout the tribez? I know. I think that 6 in-da morning iz prolly mostly out for the money too. But hey. Screw it! Keep your bad vibes to yourself.! And whats up with people throwing bad vibes at me? I usually alwayz get a bad vibe at the ravez. I am Jeff... That one guy that dancez like Bernie. You know. The Bernie on the movie "Weekend at Bernie'z".. I sometimes wear my cool red sweat jacket, and alwayz wear black sweats. And da girls seem to enjoy watching me dance.You wanna know why I don't hit on any of them girls at the raves.? No! It iz defonetly not a gay thing!!! The reason being iz... Well .... I am a freakin idiot, thats why!!! Frankly, I don't know why. My jaw bone just locks up after adding "E".... I have some kind of cronic shyness.... And it iz not entirely my fault either,,,,, I mean.. The girls just come up and stand near me. They don't say anything either... I am not stuck up, not gay, and I don't have aids or nuffin.. I just need to be comferted or something.. I could go on for dayz. But I need to go back to work. Work iz cool though.. Without it. Ravez would only be a dream. I am going to try and make it to Ground Zero though.. Hopefully the Dj,z take turnz mixin old school tunes (like they did last time) agian. But I do usually leave the rave thinking. "God,, I am SO stupid!! That girl waz so beautiful.. And I let he get away" But oh well.. Hopefully for me.. Good things will come to me who waits.. But I am not really waiting.. I am ready.. I just need a girl to rape me nStuff!! I will prolly take a couple of baby tylenolz at Ground Zero though.. It feels SO GOOD to dance on E, don't you agree?..... peace out scout'z.... P.S. No this izn't an inportiant update.. But it got your attention didn't it? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 13:33:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA22035; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA22027; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09758 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12951 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:33:35 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:39:54 -0800 To: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: to the posting police Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >we are about communicating ideas, not about enforcing structure. the rules >of grammer, while making your ideas clearer and easier to the reader, also Uh, that's "grammar", bud. ;o) Love, b))merang > _______ > / \ > / o o \ > | ^ | > | | > ___ \ \_/ / ___ > __(___\ \__ __/ /___)__ > (______ \________\ /_________/ ______) >(_______ ____________________ _______) > (______ / \ ______) > (_____/ \_____) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 13:57:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id NAA24380; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA24372; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from impactsf (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id NAA04725; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:56:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199610102056.NAA04725@holonet.net> Received: by impactsf.com (Claris OfficeMail 1.0) with SMTP; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:40:08 -0800 From: "Andre Lucero" Subject: Desperately Seeking Alex Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 13:48:24 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 To: "Fiends" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I need to get in touch with Alex (DJ from MAD, Gaia Mantra Records, etc...) as soon as possible. If anyone knows how to get in touch with him, page me @ 415.245.0646. Thanks! - Dre ************************************************ Galactic Uber-Pimp of the )))Vibra Zone((( ************************************************ Sonic Mood Enhancement and Basic Love Vibrations for all my subjects...all the time From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 14:06:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA25576; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA25568; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from well.com (phred@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id OAA23770; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA08036; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:06:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9610101406.ZM8034@well.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:06:40 -0700 In-Reply-To: Milton Cecil "Re: Re: What happened to... -Reply" (Oct 10, 9:33am) References: <199610101633.JAA05116@worm.hooked.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: Milton Cecil , Subject: Re: What happened to... -Reply Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm still a big fan of Moonpup's set on the legendary Connection II tapes. For those who might not know, Connection II was an sfraves-sponsored gathering in March of 1993 "where it rained so hard the needle made a wake on the record." Bob Ramstad did an awesome job of dubbing off six hours of music to four cassette tapes which, if you look around, are probably sitting on your friends' shelves. I've just been relistening to them again and once more am knocked out by the variety and taste in the music and mixing styles. phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 14:07:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA25661; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA25650; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.humboldt.edu by axe.humboldt.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #17164) id <0DZ2W04010096Y@axe.humboldt.edu>; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Klassen Subject: Re: Ground ZERO In-reply-to: <9610091856.AB21735@heald.edu> To: Aryck Cc: "-=]madame mercury[=-" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am an Asian-American female circle dancer with glasses and I wear lots o' poly. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 14:12:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA26229; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA26215; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA15397; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:12:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:12:21 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199610102112.OAA15397@netcom17.netcom.com> To: mdpkl@best.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: <2.2.32.19961010200844.006ccfb0@best.com> (mdpkl@best.com) Subject: Re: to the posting police (NRR) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:08:44 -0700 > From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" > > yo- > > to the recently self-appointed posting police: chill out just a little. > > we are about communicating ideas, not about enforcing structure. the rules > of grammer, while making your ideas clearer and easier to the reader, also > have this nasty tendency to constrain your ideas. when we start spending > more energy on the structure of our posts, that energy comes at the expense > of our ideas, thoughts, and other creative energies. I don't agree. If I can't read a post because it contains 1 page of headers, three pages of quoted response, a half a page of quoted signatures, and then the text of the message is a two page badly formatted un-proofread uni-paragraph, then there's no way any idea could possibly be communicated to me. If I got drunk and slurred every other word, would you be able to understand me? Of course not. How about a radio show with ten minutes of ads for every one minute of content? Would you be able to follow it? Not me. Communicating ideas is also about presenting them in an accessable form. Look at the web, and how important it is to have a well laid out web page. Matt, if you designed a web page that communicated everything your boss was trying to say, but had a terrible layout and interface, how do you think he would feel about that? Although noone is perfect, using good grammar is imporant. Sometimes it can be confusing or unclear to read something with bad grammar. Especially with the written word, where other cues like vocal inflections and body language are removed, it's a little more important to be clear about what you're saying. For the record, there are many people on this list who use good grammar and have a good posting style (Mike (lachim), SDream, Randy and many others!!!) and can express what they need to say very well, with no "constraints" of any sort on their ideas. It's not an "either/or" thing; recheck your boolean operators :) I love flaming my friends! Here's a happy *hug* for you, Matt :) as always, my 5 drachmas (I hope they don't shift the exchange rate) :) love, Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com saturn5@cyborganic.net | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-626-5074 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 14:16:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA26747; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA26740; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.97.35.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:25:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Joe Rice Subject: (BP) outdoor party Friday Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:25:58 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The promoter of the following party asked me to post the info to the list. I got the impression it was to be around Sacramento, but the info line's 415. I don't know anything more than the flyer he gave me. Friday 10/11 Desire DJ's: Filip Marcus Rock-It Wizard Mike Moss Simon Apex 415 273-1190 (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 14:23:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA27343; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA27332; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.178.41.41] ([205.178.41.41]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id OAA21170; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:23:09 -0700 X-Sender: branka@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:22:52 -0800 To: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" From: branka@sirius.com (*B*) Subject: Re: to the posting police Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:08 PM 10/10/96, matthew d. p. k. lanier wrote: >to the recently self-appointed posting police: chill out just a little. > I don't believe anybody as acting as a "posting police", people are just giving their criticism - which can be positive, negative but in either way constructive, not destructive. Don't read everything with such a bitter twist :) <- just a friendly advice. Stressed at work, hope everybody else is doing better, *B* From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Oct 10 14:24:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) id OAA27410; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.6/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA27364; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.humboldt.edu by axe.humboldt.edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #17164) id <0DZ2WRJ0100OYX@axe.humboldt.edu>; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Klassen Subject: Re: Corporate take-off flyers (was Re: Ground ZERO) In-reply-to: <9610091926.AB22476@heald.edu> To: Aryck Cc: Starchild , sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@h