From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 1 11:54:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA19726; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 11:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA19719; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 11:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id LAA05133; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 11:53:59 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id LAA03840; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 11:53:57 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 11:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jessica Robin Berkson Subject: house party :) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just woke up and am getting ready to go to work...Randy is asleep on the couch and Barb is crashed on my bed..I wish I could still be sleeping like them, but I gotta go and take care of my life....what a wonderfully rad and beautiful time I had- it was so great to meet so many good people- I needed to go out and get some vibe, and boy did I ever- I'm still amazed that Ethan just opened up his house to us (and was still spinning at 6 in the morning..) To all of those who I met I can't wait to see you again- to those of you I missed, hopefully I'll catch you at BP or Harmony!!!! (After a summer of all work & no parties, I'm coming back and I'm ready to play for a good long while!) Take care everybody...I truly felt so much love from you all! xoxoxox oxoxoxo -Jess (smiling and smiling and smiling..) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 1 12:52:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA22921; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA22916; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.86.220.227 (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA27634; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:52:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3229EA68.1781@best.com> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 12:56:24 -0700 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ethan@basstation.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: thanks and HELP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey- Thanks to the crew for the party last night especially to Ethan for letting us into his home. I brought some friends from out of town and they all had a great time. Unfortunately, I forgot my record bag under the DJ table!!! If anyone there found it please hold on to it for me and drop me a line. It's one of those black Techniques zip-up bags. -peace- Alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 1 13:04:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA23543; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from libra.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA23537; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from glow@localhost) by libra.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA20280 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:04:15 -0700 (PDT) From: BRUCE ALVIN MCDONOUGH Message-Id: <199609012004.NAA20280@libra.sfsu.edu> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: jtorres@ub4.apa.berkeley.edu (Jose Torres) Subject: MegaBuzzOne Review Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:19:09 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk MegaBuzzOne was phat !!!!!!!! I wish that I could describe all of wonderful experiences I had last night. My friend and I, disappointed after not being able to get presale tix, got there about 9:30. After weeding through the 20 or so E dealers at the entrance, the night had finally begun! I made a beeline for the first Buzz Room and danced for an hour or so. Then I hit the chill room--which was so relaxing. It was hard not to get engrossed in all of the matresses and pink feathers. I went outside for some fresh air and saw the inflatable panda (like those bouncy castles at carnivals). After a short wait, my friend and I jumped and flipped all over the place-- until we felt like puking. After a half hour of letting the queasiness settle it was back to the dance floor. Dancing until I was a rag of sweat, I lost complete track of time and went nonstop for almost two hours. After some more fresh air, we decided to leave because we were both dead tired. Catching our breath, we saw one of our best friends and got our second wind!! After dancing our asses off again we decided on leaving again. This time we ran into my friend's girlfriend, who wasn't supposed to be able to go! We said "F*%# leaving" and we got all of our asses back on the dance floor. This is where I have to praise Matthew-- the dj at about 3am. He was beyond incredible! I went right up in front of the turntables and danced almost harder that I ever have before. I can't say enough about Matthew- I just closed my eyes, let the music get inside, and moved and moved and moved. After his set, I was completely drained. I got into my car and crawled back home across the bridge. The night was great. Between the bouncy panda and watching the breakdancers in Buzz Room 1, not much could have been better. Yeah, there were hella people and it was a little too commercial but the music, what I consider the most important ingredient , was outstanding. Everyone was friendly to me and I never had any problems with anyone. I'm just wondering what everyone else thought of the night, especially Matthew. I hope eveyone had as good of a time as I did. Bye. Jose From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 1 13:53:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA26676; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA26668; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA16337; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:53:17 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199609012053.NAA16337@netcom16.netcom.com> Subject: Whither Sunset/SFBayBM ? To: Pacificsou@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] Does anyone have a clue as to where/when tonight's Sunset S.F. Bay area "Burning Man" will be? A vague clue is fine - Pacific coast? Marin County? San Mateo? Santa Clara? Monterey ? East Bay ? Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 1 17:40:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA11326; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 17:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from online.no by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA11317; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 17:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asker313.telepost.no (asker313.telepost.no [193.214.144.145]) by online.no (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA04129 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:39:40 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:39:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609020039.CAA04129@online.no> X-Authentication-Warning: pat.online.no: Host asker313.telepost.no [193.214.144.145] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: balexand@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Sune Alexandersen Subject: NRR: looking for virus-scanner Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry about posting this to the list, but I was wondering if anyone of my friends out there would know about a good downloadable virus-scanner.. If anyone could help me with this one, I would be grateful... -------------------------------- ... -listen: there`s a hell of a great party next door; LET`S GO! - s. alexandersen --------------------------------------- I`ve been told that there is a goddes of beauty by the name of Sune.... I KNEW that I wasn`t like the other kids on the block! ---------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 1 18:28:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA14170; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA14159; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:28:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from jeeves.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA12908; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:40:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from duckman.usfca.edu (duckman.usfca.edu [138.202.32.151]) by jeeves.usfca.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA15762 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:33:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:33:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199608301833.LAA15762@jeeves.usfca.edu> X-Sender: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: reicja00@usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) Subject: Re: flaming woman ReSent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:28:19 -0700 (PDT) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Dear You Guys, > >Anybody out there feel like you did when you were young and all the cool >kids got to go to a really neat party and you had to stay home because your >parents wouldn't let you go and you knew all the cool kids were having fun >without you and probably didn't even care that you weren't there? A) Having ex-hippies for parents greatly expands your going-out abilities as an adolescent (I'd suggest everyone get a pair) B) I found out around my junior year of high school that most of the cool kids were really schmucks who were so busy being cool and protecting that ever-so-important "identity" that they couldn't get a decent job, let alone expend enough mental energy to be able to brave the rigors of Higher Education. Nerds are much more fun in my book. C) The people who matter know when your not there. D) Kick-ass beach parties on Saturdays tend to make up for it all. E) Why in the hell does a no-talent doink like Keanu Reeves making more money than me? Okay, so item E is a stretch to fit within the boundaries of the discussion, but it needed to be said. Hmph. Mr. Jake ...who dreads 9 am quantum mechanics clases... >:l From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 1 18:29:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA14241; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA14233; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:29:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA14608; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:29:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from lettuce.salinas.net (tina@salinas.net [205.179.129.1]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11746 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:18:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: (from tina@localhost) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA25198; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:26:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:26:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Christina Hurley To: cloudfactory@cloudfactory.org cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: technoradio Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:29:00 -0700 (PDT) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This may interest anyone living in the Monterey Bay area... Saturday night Tim Mcknew will be spinning trancetechnoelectrospacejungleambient(?) on public access radio KAZU 90.3 fm 12pm-3am tina Nest of Saws From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 1 21:24:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA28605; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vcn.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA28598; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pounce@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA14465; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie Subject: Reality Check *sniffle* To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well ... it looks like i can't make it to SF as i had hoped. The situation with my current roommate is rapidly becoming intolerable and i have got to get out of here as soon as i can, which means i have to save up for a damage deposit on a new place. I can't legally kick him out, so i have no other choice. Guess i'll have to see you all some other time. i hate being poor. pounce ---------------------------- You know, there are many people in the country today who, through no fault of their own, are sane. Some of them were born sane. Some of them became sane later in their lives. It is up to people like you and me who are out of our tiny little minds to try and help these people overcome their sanity. -- Monty Python From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 1 21:37:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA29793; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA29784; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id VAA24146; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:37:22 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA16004; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:37:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:37:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Sherry Lidia Marie Mosley Reply-To: Sherry Lidia Marie Mosley Subject: )>>Megga Buzzed HELLA BUZZed<<( To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Megga Buzz kicked ass...especially cuz it was free (for me). -->> Ya see, I live 7 min. from HomeBase, and Liquid and I recieved a slight tip off that it may be held there so we cruised on over....and wouldn't ya know it, they were setting up for a rave. So we helped set up, met some people (what's up Vlad, Ralph, Mike, Ginnie..), and well we got Megga Buzz passes. =) BUT that wasn't the only reason Megga Buzz kicked ass... 1) our fellow ravers Alan and his brother joined Liquid and I 2) the set up was great...hella rooms!!! 3) the beats in Megga Zone 1 kicked ass 4) they had a bouncy castle (or should I say bear) 5) the vibe was great!! smiles, hugs, "excuse me's", food, glow sticks 6) ran into a fellow SFRaver whom I met @ HUNNY and also an old raving friend from UCSC (the last rave he went to was with Liquid and I and he hadn't raved since till that night) BOTTOM LINE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Best rave I've ever been too...I'm sorry so many of you stuck to your prejudices and missed out on the party of the summer. RaVe On!! MHg ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- ) ______ ___ _________ ) ( ___ |/ /______ _______ /______ ________ ___ _____ ( ) __ /|_/ / _ __ `/_ __ / _ __ `/__ __ `__ \_ _ \ ) ( _ / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / /_/ / _ / / / / // __/ ) ) /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___/ ) ( ( ) ______ ___ mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ) ( ___ |/ /_____ ___________________ _______________ __( ) __ /|_/ / _ _ \__ ___/_ ___/_ / / /__ ___/__ / / /) ( _ / / / / __/_ / / /__ / /_/ / _ / _ /_/ / ( ) /_/ /_/ \___/ /_/ \___/ \__,_/ /_/ _\__, / ) ( /____/ ( ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 1 22:14:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA02433; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 22:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA02419; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 22:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 708714093 by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id WAA10326; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 22:16:02 -0700 Message-ID: <322A6D13.5157@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 22:13:55 -0700 From: ameba Reply-To: abema@ix.netcom.com Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: spam? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Long ago DJ dave Alga posted positive Cool World stuff... This year a series of posts from "users"@cats.ucsc.edu reminds me of those. salutations, al _____________________________________ ameba 1732 haight street sf ca 94117 mailto:ameba@netcom.com http://www.ameba.com | \ 415.750.9368 | \ ===================================== | / | / From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 1 23:33:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA07842; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 23:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from online.no by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA07822; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 23:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asker210.telepost.no (asker210.telepost.no [193.214.144.126]) by online.no (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21605 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:32:36 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:32:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609020632.IAA21605@online.no> X-Authentication-Warning: pat.online.no: Host asker210.telepost.no [193.214.144.126] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: balexand@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Sune Alexandersen Subject: NRR: a little story from Norway Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everybody!! Thought I`d tell you a little story about what I did today... I live in a little suburb to Oslo(the capitol), called Asker, in Norway... The royal family lives here, and there`s a mountain behind their property. I usually go up on the top of this mountain each summer, `cuz there`s a great overlook over my home town, and of Oslo as well.... You`re not far from the royal`s residence when you stand on the top of this mountain... Well, anyway... me and this friend went up there tonight, brought some hot-dogs and had or own little BBQ..... Planes keep flying over our heads, and we could see far... Bright lights big city... My friend took the keys to his apartment and started to carve his name in this three.... I became overwhelmed by our capitol and I felt like screaming. So I took all my clothes of and screamed until my throat hurt.... My friend turned to find out what was up, and he turned around, and started laughing... There I was, arms in the air like a V and my legs spread like I was stripped-searched or something.. I got a great kick out of this.... My point is: Do something irregular! Try to consume LIFE instead of drugs.. I`m not saying that everybody on the list are dug-abusers, only that you all should try this.... If you haven`t allready done it a load of times.... who knows??? So try something like this! See if a natural high can be as good as drugs..... I hope so.... Well, hope you liked my story.... Alot of love goes out to everybody who has read this far, and to those that hit the D key right away as well, `cuz I have plenty...;) Sune Alexandersen..... :) -------------------------------- ... -listen: there`s a hell of a great party next door; LET`S GO! - s. alexandersen --------------------------------------- I`ve been told that there is a goddes of beauty by the name of Sune.... I KNEW that I wasn`t like the other kids on the block! ---------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 01:34:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id BAA14937; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apa6.APA.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id BAA14929; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 01:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.37.80.106] by apa6.APA.Berkeley.EDU with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 01:35:02 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: jtorres@ub4.apa.berkeley.edu (Jose Torres) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 01:35:02 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Good morning to everyone out there in raveland! Jose From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 02:07:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id CAA17862; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id CAA17855; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.250.113.34] (pool034.maxa.los_angeles.ca.us.dynip.earthlink.net [206.250.113.34]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA01050 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: aciddrop@earthlink.net (Philip Evans) Subject: just a small correction... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Captain Crunch once spoke: > I WAS able to get to an outdoor > underground rave put on my the Moontribe people this weekend in the > Angeles National Forest... It was PHAT!!! > > Crunchman Just to keep things clear, Elevation was *not* associated with Moontribe. Those people are very cool in their own right, but Elevation was organized by some SoCal ravers, Dominic Palombo being the frontman, or first among equals at least. The Moontribers, it seems, have decided to withdraw from the limelight for a while, after some vastly over-attended (and much too visible) events over the last few months. And yes, Elevation was an uncontrollable breakout of PLURriness, with Crunchman being a very welcome and enthusiastic participant. Peace, -Phil [----------] [---] [-----] [-----] [-----] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [--------] [-----] [-----] [---] [-----] [----------] Home is where the stereo is! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 13:24:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA07182; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.mgl.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA07105; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.246.132.61] (hurricane14.mgl.ca [199.246.132.45]) by lightning.mgl.ca (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA19335; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:33:53 -0400 X-Sender: ecto@mgl.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:27:52 -0400 To: reicja00@usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) From: ecto@souliton.com (brad finlay) Subject: Re: flaming woman Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 2:33 PM 8/30/96, Jake Reichert wrote: >Mr. Jake > >...who dreads 9 am quantum mechanics clases... >:l Hey, i just heard that some experimenters have made a beryllium atom exist in two places at the same time, maybe you can get yourself to be in class and at home asleep? ;) peace, brad _________ ---------/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==-------------- -|_. ._|+ souliton studios : http://www.souliton.com/ | |_. ._| | planet ecto : http://www.souliton.com/ecto | |_| | magnetic mirror ezine : http://www.tchort.com/magnetic | ._| |_. | |_| |_| "make love your strange attractor" +|_________|- -----====\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 13:36:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA08133; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA08127; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp030-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.30]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id NAA27128 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:34:54 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960902133947.00a3c4c0@pop.sirius.com> X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 13:39:49 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Erase Subject: Re: house party :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >needed to go out and get some vibe, and boy did I ever- I'm still amazed >that Ethan just opened up his house to us (and was still spinning at 6 in heh. you should have seen ethan's face when he was setting up the sound system in the living room - he was grinning like a madman. =) thanks to ethan for providing the space for a kick-ass party. -brendan- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 13:39:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA08369; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA08361; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:39:34 -0700 (PDT) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA23766 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:39:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:39:02 -0400 Message-ID: <960902163901_275314182@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: HELLO??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Haven't heard any news in a long time. Wondering if anyone is out there. Hello? Wake up everybody. It's a prime week for partying, and I go back to school on Thursday. I'll try and stay on the list but sometimes all that school work just interferes. Send me a line if anyones out there. I'm out... <(patrice)> <<<>>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 14:07:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA10967; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA10960; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg131-072.ricochet.net [204.179.131.72]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA11661 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:07:00 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960902210639.006b24a4@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:06:39 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: nrr: what i found in the street Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello- i was walking this morning, in a rather shitty mood, contemplating, among other things, whether my job is worth is, am i going anywhere, blah blah blah, you know, the sort of questions that seem to pop up when you're alone and feeling it. well, i saw this folded up piece of paper lying on the street, and it called to me to open it. it was a type-written piece of paper that had the following message on it, with no anthor: "you appreciate above most things in life, the peace and comfort of a good home. you remain aggreeable good tempered until you are goaded into action. if you learn to throw off the depression which sometimes engulfs you, there is no doubt that you will succeed in whatever lin eof work or profession you may choose." do you ever get the feeling that someone/something is watching out for you? love to you all, and may you find that being/person/thing/angel/god/etc that is watching over you right now, and give it a big huge hug!!!! love- matt l. p.s., send lots of love to karen hardie! she needs it right now more than anyone i know. and besides, she's from canada, so why not? mdpkl From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 15:25:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA16648; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vcn.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA16642; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pounce@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA13035; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:06:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie Subject: Re: flaming woman To: brad finlay cc: Jake Reichert , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, brad finlay wrote: > At 2:33 PM 8/30/96, Jake Reichert wrote: > > >Mr. Jake > > > >...who dreads 9 am quantum mechanics clases... >:l > > Hey, i just heard that some experimenters have made a beryllium > atom exist in two places at the same time, maybe you can get yourself to be > in class and at home asleep? ;) > > peace, > brad > er ... doesn't that only work if you're as SMALL as a beryllium atom? :) pounce ---------------------------- You know, there are many people in the country today who, through no fault of their own, are sane. Some of them were born sane. Some of them became sane later in their lives. It is up to people like you and me who are out of our tiny little minds to try and help these people overcome their sanity. -- Monty Python From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 16:07:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA19564; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA19557; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbfmi26429; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp104.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10429; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:12:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:12:44 -0700 Message-Id: <9609022312.AA10429@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sune Alexandersen From: Aryck Subject: Re: NRR: a little story from Norway Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 08:32 AM 9/2/96 +0200, you wrote: >Hi everybody!! >Thought I`d tell you a little story about what I did today... > >I live in a little suburb to Oslo(the capitol), called Asker, in Norway... >The royal family lives here, and there`s a mountain behind their property. > >I usually go up on the top of this mountain each summer, `cuz there`s a >great overlook over my home town, and of Oslo as well.... You`re not far >from the royal`s residence when you stand on the top of this mountain... > >Well, anyway... me and this friend went up there tonight, brought some >hot-dogs and had or own little BBQ..... Planes keep flying over our heads, >and we could see far... Bright lights big city... My friend took the keys to >his apartment and started to carve his name in this three.... I became >overwhelmed by our capitol and I felt like screaming. So I took all my >clothes of and screamed until my throat hurt.... >My friend turned to find out what was up, and he turned around, and started >laughing... > >There I was, arms in the air like a V and my legs spread like I was >stripped-searched or something.. I got a great kick out of this.... > >My point is: Do something irregular! Try to consume LIFE instead of drugs.. >I`m not saying that everybody on the list are dug-abusers, only that you all >should try this.... If you haven`t allready done it a load of times.... who >knows??? > >So try something like this! See if a natural high can be as good as drugs..... >I hope so.... > >Well, hope you liked my story.... >Alot of love goes out to everybody who has read this far, and to those that >hit the D key right away as well, `cuz I have plenty...;) > >Sune Alexandersen..... :) > >-------------------------------- >... -listen: there`s a hell >of a great party next door; LET`S GO! > > - s. alexandersen >--------------------------------------- >I`ve been told that there is a goddes >of beauty by the name of Sune.... >I KNEW that I wasn`t like the other >kids on the block! >---------------------------- > > > Hey. . . Hot Dogs are bad for you too. . . They just seem to make people run rampant through the streets naked all the time. Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 16:09:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA19757; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA19705; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbfmi26799; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp104.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10438; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:14:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:14:49 -0700 Message-Id: <9609022314.AA10438@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Aryck Subject: To those who have eaten muchrooms....... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have the answer. Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 16:44:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA22503; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.mgl.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA22492; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.246.132.61] (tsunami13.mgl.ca [199.246.132.156]) by lightning.mgl.ca (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA27439; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:53:33 -0400 X-Sender: ecto@mgl.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:47:32 -0400 To: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" From: ecto@souliton.com (brad finlay) Subject: Re: nrr: what i found in the street Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 5:06 PM 9/2/96, matthew d. p. k. lanier wrote: >hello- > >i was walking this morning, in a rather shitty mood, contemplating, among >other things, whether my job is worth is, am i going anywhere, blah blah >blah, you know, the sort of questions that seem to pop up when you're alone >and feeling it. > >well, i saw this folded up piece of paper lying on the street, and it called >to me to open it. it was a type-written piece of paper that had the >following message on it, with no anthor: > >"you appreciate above most things in life, the peace and comfort of a good >home. you remain aggreeable good tempered until you are goaded into action. >if you learn to throw off the depression which sometimes engulfs you, there >is no doubt that you will succeed in whatever lin eof work or profession you >may choose." > >do you ever get the feeling that someone/something is watching out for you? Hey matt et toutes les merveilleux ravers, Awesome story! Here's another (and it's rave-related). A couple of years ago i went down to NYC for a party which was going to be the bomb, it featured Plastikman live (!) in this super wild location UNDER the brooklyn bridge. Unfortunately the reality of the situation didn't end up being all that great. Richie Hawtin (plastikman) got busted at the border (he being a fellow canadian) and was refused entry. In his place they played a DAT (?). Also, they put about 3500 people into the Anchorage underneath the bridge, a space that's only supposed to hold like 2200. I began to have a few flashbacks to my previous life as a sardine. :/ I was separated from my friends for 90% of the night and found myself extremely ecstatic (about the music :) ) while being packed into a room of frustrated people with no space to dance. Space is a large concern already in NYC which is claustrophobic, and this just brought all sorts of bad vibes out so i had to remind myself to "just keep dancing, close your eyes, don't touch anyone, don't step on any gangster's feet, etc". At the end of the night, like the true glutton for punishment that i am, i went to the after party alone after getting directions to get back to my friend's place. I go to the after party and try to have fun, but due to some more strange misfortunes i ended up feeling like a...hmmm...tranquilized horse or something... And *then* someone stole my blue hooded sweatshirt. :/ So, there i was in brooklyn at 11 am sunday morning, no jacket, vague directions of how to get to my friend's place and feeling kinda funny. I decided that i should start heading for the subway, not knowing how long it'd take me to find my friend's place, indeed, having some problems with the whole space/time thing in general. As i was walking/shivering along, i noticed a lump of clothes on the sidewalk in front of me. As i approached, my jaw dropped. I picked up a blue hooded sweatshirt (a different brand, carhartt, mine was a no-name style). I put it up to my face. Freshly washed even! I looked around to see if anyone had dropped it, but there wasn't a person in sight. I eventually found my way back to my friend's place and got them to verify the existence of the jacket, then went and slept for a while. If there was ever a time that i *felt* the presence of something watching out for me it was then. And stuff like that still happens to me, though now i'm not as bad about putting myself into situations where i really need a "helping hand." It's nice to know that if you stumble that there'll be something there to help you pick yourself up, though :) Ideally we could all be each other's guardian angels and save them/it/whatever a lot of work. :), brad > >p.s., send lots of love to karen hardie! she needs it right now more than >anyone i know. and besides, she's from canada, so why not? Ya, superbighugs to pounce, my canadian sistah :) It's taken me like a year to get my butt to SF, but now it's happening. Everything in good time! :) _________ ---------/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==-------------- -|_. ._|+ souliton studios : http://www.souliton.com/ | |_. ._| | planet ecto : http://www.souliton.com/ecto | |_| | magnetic mirror ezine : http://www.tchort.com/magnetic | ._| |_. | |_| |_| "make love your strange attractor" +|_________|- -----====\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 16:45:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA22618; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.mgl.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA22609; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.246.132.61] (tsunami13.mgl.ca [199.246.132.156]) by lightning.mgl.ca (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA27460; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:54:00 -0400 X-Sender: ecto@mgl.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:48:00 -0400 To: Karen Hardie From: ecto@souliton.com (brad finlay) Subject: NRR stuff Cc: brad finlay , Jake Reichert , sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 6:06 PM 9/2/96, Karen Hardie wrote: >On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, brad finlay wrote: > >> At 2:33 PM 8/30/96, Jake Reichert wrote: >> >> >Mr. Jake >> > >> >...who dreads 9 am quantum mechanics clases... >:l >> >> Hey, i just heard that some experimenters have made a beryllium >> atom exist in two places at the same time, maybe you can get yourself to be >> in class and at home asleep? ;) >> >> peace, >> brad >> > >er ... doesn't that only work if you're as SMALL as a beryllium atom? :) Maybe, but while my butt is currently in canada, my mind is in my future in SF. That's gotta count for something! ;) Or maybe it's only because i weigh in at a whopping 132 pounds. Who knows? Maybe i need one of those weight belts that scuba divers use. hmmm... brad ps-->or maybe it's because i'm a fire sign? _________ ---------/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==-------------- -|_. ._|+ souliton studios : http://www.souliton.com/ | |_. ._| | planet ecto : http://www.souliton.com/ecto | |_| | magnetic mirror ezine : http://www.tchort.com/magnetic | ._| |_. | |_| |_| "make love your strange attractor" +|_________|- -----====\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 17:23:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA25922; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA25916; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca53-04.ix.netcom.com [206.214.106.36]) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA10552 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:22:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:22:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199609030022.RAA10552@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Everyone please... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Send some healing energy to my/our dear friends!!!!! I got a call today, telling me that some close friends of mine were in a horrible accident at the BM Festival. They were asleep in their tent, when a ... (never mind, you'll get sick if i tell you. Let's just say, I HATE drunk drivers!!!!!!) Anyways, they are in critical condition in intensive care in a hospital in Reno, awaiting surgery. I am off to go be with them. They are both unconscious right now, but I hope they can pull out of this awful nightmare. I really hope that by the time I get there everything will be ok, but I don't think that will happen. Please send them your love and energy... Peace and love, Greg :( From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 18:10:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA00493; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA00485; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp035-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.35]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id SAA02834 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:08:26 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960902181319.00a33df0@pop.sirius.com> X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 18:13:22 -0700 To: SFRaves From: Erase Subject: Re: Everyone please... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well I, for one, am feeling pretty sick to my stomach now. i hate the feeling where i wish i could have done something to prevent it from happening... even if i wasn't there.. to prevent something so utterly stupid.. it is so sick that the negative consequences of one person's actions can be felt by so many. there is so much more i want to write but find myself choking back tears. my heart is bursting for those in the hospital. love and energy to them... -brendan- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 18:19:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA01128; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bolero.rahul.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA01123; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.61.226.222] (c222.rahul.net) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP id AA22424 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:18:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:18:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199609030118.AA22424@bolero.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: wolfe@rahul.net (Nancy W. Wolfe) Subject: Back from BM Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think I'm actually the first person back from BM!! We left about 7 this morning. We wanted to beat traffic and we did. I'm going to make this short and sweet because I'm sure there will be about 100 more posts re: BM. We decided to camp in the middle of the playa between the rave camp and the main camp. When I finally did go to the main camp I decided we absolutely had to camp there. Luckily, we ended up camping right in front of the Synoptics camp and heard good music all weekend. Bianca's smut shack played the shit for two straight days. Behind us was another sound system. BioJeff played two days in a row for about 6 hours at a shot. It was pretty good stuff. The main camp I must say was full of the most incredible sights. The highlights were definitely the game of naked twister I got the pleasure of watching, the roving couch and lamp, running into the San Jose crew with their band Horchada, listening to all three of the pirate radio stations, Bianca's smutty, smutty, smut contest, Wayne's incredible blue light tower (I've never seen anything like that in my life before), the tea shop and their incredible tunes, and of course the burning of the man. The rave camp I must say lacked the creativity of the main camp except for the setup of the sound systems. Gateway really outdid themselves designing a structure to accentuate the wind. It was nice to see the material blowing in the breeze rather than having a club like atmosphere which is what the Wicked crews was like. Though they did build a structure the roof on it with the visuals made me feel like I was at some club. I wanted to see the stars so that was kind of a bummer. I have to say though that the one thing I didn't want to miss in the rave camp was hearing Astral Matrix play live. He came on right after Jonah Sharp spun. It was wonderful as usual with a great mix of classics and new stuff. I'm so glad I didn't miss that. CCC was almost just like going to the warehouse. Nothing really new to look at. I did miss their ceremony at sunset on Saturday night but I was tripping too hard in the main camp to drive over there. I had to wait until dark. Bummer. I really wanted to see them do their stuff although I have seen it somewhat before. I hope all the people who camped in the rave camp got a chance to check out the main camp and not just for the burning of the man. I know a lot of people who wouldn't have even gone to BM had it not been for the rave camp. Luckily enough, like I said before, I camped in the sfraves part of the main camp by accident and it all worked out for the best. I did say I was going to keep this short and sweet. I had a wonderful time and I hope everyone else did too. I will probably go next year too. I don't have to work until Friday so just take a guess where I'm gonna spend the next few days. THE BEACH!!!!!!! I'm gonna swim in the ocean!!!!!!!! -Nancy W. Wolfe From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 20:14:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA08560; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nak.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA08550; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (ucdata.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.165.25]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA22876 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA06173; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:08:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Nancy Shaw Reply-To: Nancy Shaw Subject: Non-BM Weekend (Long!) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My half-assed Burning Man plans fell through - I realized too late that half-ass is not the way to approach BM! I was with the participants in heart and spirit, but mentally and physically five days of utter slothdom was much better for me...:) I am so sad to hear about the accident... I am concentrating all of my love and energy and healing forces towards these two innocent people... Let's all keep them in our thoughts and beam as much collective vibration to them as possible... Lazy Days :) Thursday Night -- roused at midnight from my bed by earnest (and high) clubber friend, who exhorted, "Lift's going on!!" I opted for my pillow. Has anyone been to this weekly at DV8 lately? Apparently it was the place to go (in clubland) about a year ago, but now...? I went once in the spring for a truly boring night and never went back. Thoroughly enjoyed snoozing this Thursday instead :). Friday Night -- The big college party at my co-op. Happy house incompetently spun by lame dj (don't worry - you've never heard of him), keggers of shitty beer, and 500 strangers. Woo-wee. Somebody kill me. Saturday Night -- Consumed "Synthetic Pleasures," the pseudo-cutting edge documentary exploring how technology is allowing humans to control our environment and tailor our experiences, including far-fetched scenarios of a purely synthetic future. Some interesting issues *were* raised (including the community-building potential of the Internet (Wazzup, SFRavers!), a byproduct of supposedly alienating technology), and much "retinal candy" dominated the screen. But, not as heavyweight, important or revelatory as the ad campaign suggests. Again opted for sleep, this time over the party at Ethan's. And I call myself a raver? What am I, gettin old?? I'm starting to worry. Last Night -- Spundae's Memorial Day party, featuring top dj from France, Laurent Garnier. Held at 1015 for the extra space, and they sure did pack as many paying customers as possible into it! The crowd typified the bizarre sociology of commercial clubs: suburbanites came decked out in suitjackets and dresses-and-heels, the clubkids strutted their stuff, the ravers scrounged about in tanktops and sneakers, and everyone there seemed to have a different idea on what the club experience should be. Last night the meatmarket quotient was, unfortunately, in full effect (I was grabbed numerous times, a serious downer for my evening). It was difficult to navigate the dancefloor without dealing with drunk, aggressive men. In that atmosphere I am forced to fold into myself, not make eye contact, not smile at strangers, in order to minimize the potential for harassment. It, again, reminded me how liberating raves are for women, that we can be open and friendly and have that just mean we are relating to people as people, not have it be interpreted as physical availability. Alcohol is a major factor in that, but I truly believe it is fundamentally respect for women that is the difference in our treatment. Sadly, Spundae was much more "clubby" in this aspect than previous parties of theirs I had been to. Music, like the crowd, ranged across scenes. The front room was mainstream central (disco, funk), upstairs people grinded to hip-hop, downstairs were the SF mainstays Jeno-Carlos etc., and the main room was reserved for the guest dj. I was excited to see Laurent Garnier (how awesome to share the music experience across continents). His set was frustrating, though - energy would build, and the crowd would scream, and then it would dissapate too soon... much became repetitive, especially since he spun for close to four hours!! But at times it was brilliant. As always, the sound and lights at 1015 are unbelievable. What a treat to really dance there! Great to see some SFRavers out!! (Consolation that I'm not the only one left back here). KaySEE danced around in a bundle of energy, as usual; SDream was there with his friendly smile (but minus funny hat), and Jess Fogler is back from Europe and ready to start med school, year two (this time studying rather than resubbing to the list!). It's so good to see friendly faces when I go to clubland! Sorry for the length! I'm a firm believer in overindulging myself... :) Love, Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 20:43:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA11250; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA11241; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (crl10.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA17786 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:41:36 -0700 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Everyone please... Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 03:44:44 GMT Message-Id: <322ba86d.1819215@mail.crl.com> References: <199609030022.RAA10552@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <199609030022.RAA10552@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hope they'll be alright. It was a very disturbing end to what had been a great weekend. It could have just as easily been myself and Heather; the injured were in the next tent to mine. How horrible it is to wake up to a collision and screams! We had just met them a couple of nights before. Give them my best: they will be on my mind, and a lot of others as well. David On Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:22:36 -0700, you wrote: >Send some healing energy to my/our dear friends!!!!! > >I got a call today, telling me that some close friends of mine were in >a horrible accident at the BM Festival. They were asleep in their tent, >when a ... (never mind, you'll get sick if i tell you. Let's just say, >I HATE drunk drivers!!!!!!) > >Anyways, they are in critical condition in intensive care in a hospital >in Reno, awaiting surgery. I am off to go be with them. They are both >unconscious right now, but I hope they can pull out of this awful >nightmare. I really hope that by the time I get there everything will >be ok, but I don't think that will happen. Please send them your love >and energy... > >Peace and love, > >Greg :( > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ I want a world where my biggest trouble is getting sand on my Blo-pop. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 22:13:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA17278; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA17269; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.15.69.54] (sf1-ppp54.well.com [206.15.69.54]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id WAA16026 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:13:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leftjab@mail.well.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:23:01 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: leftjab@well.com (leftjab) Subject: The last BM on the playa? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk First of all, let our prayers go out to those who were very seriously injured. BM for me was an unforgettable and positive experience, but after waking up today to the aftermath of the accident 100 yards away at the Gateway camp, and instinctively knowing that it must've been better with four and two thousand people in years past than with the 15,000 (!) people that were reported there on Sunday night, I would be surprised if it returns again to Black Rock next year, unless major changes are made. Unfortunately, the secret is out, and too many people were there this year who just wanted a party and didn't take this seriously. This is a shame, because the creativity and freedom at BM was truly liberating. But there were too many parallels for me with the scene at some of the last Dead shows, where the people who abused their freedom made it difficult for those who reveled safely in it. The rave story: Rave camp was more than 2 miles away from main camp (from the stop sign at the perimeter to the Chai tent was about 3.5), and simply put, it is unsafe to travel large distances at night on the playa in a car with so many people there. A lot of people who I saw in the days at main camp never made it over to rave, and there was something missing from the vibe because of it. Gateway rocked the house, particularly on Saturday night when Joe Rice, Minor Minor and John Carel went off on marathon sets, but the whole didn't equal the sum of the parts because the ravers weren't up to it. C.C.C. was also trippy, with their Mayan ceremony and closing live didgeridoo over superhard trance at sunrise on Sunday morning. Spaz' sound system never worked. I spent about a minute at Wicked on Friday -- total club vibe, which was fine for others. I hope I'm wrong about the fate of BM on the playa, and something will be done, but you could just see the expressions on the faces of the authorities on the way home -- this is it. peace, leftjab From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 2 22:37:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA18853; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from surfer2.surf.scs.unr.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA18845; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (alex_c@localhost) by surfer2.surf.scs.unr.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA03876 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:08:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: surfer2.surf.scs.unr.edu: alex_c owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexandra Crocket X-Sender: alex_c@surfer2.surf.scs.unr.edu Reply-To: Alexandra Crocket To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Everyone please... In-Reply-To: <199609030022.RAA10552@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone.... I live in Reno and I'm going to go down to the hospital tomorrow after work. I was thinking that it would provide incredible amounts of support if I could print out the get-well/healing messages and give them to the friends of the injured waiting at the emergency room. I was also hoping that the messages could be read to the patients when they have regained some stability so that they know that everyone is pulling for them. So, send your messages to sfraves or directly to me if you prefer to save bandwidth. I figure that I'll go around 8pm tomorrow so that everyone who wants to has time to send out their messages. love, Alex viva | Alexandra Crocket | "Reality is anything plur | alex_c@scs.unr.edu | you can get away with" On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Gregory Sandler wrote: > Send some healing energy to my/our dear friends!!!!! > > I got a call today, telling me that some close friends of mine were in > a horrible accident at the BM Festival. They were asleep in their tent, > when a ... (never mind, you'll get sick if i tell you. Let's just say, > I HATE drunk drivers!!!!!!) > > Anyways, they are in critical condition in intensive care in a hospital > in Reno, awaiting surgery. I am off to go be with them. They are both > unconscious right now, but I hope they can pull out of this awful > nightmare. I really hope that by the time I get there everything will > be ok, but I don't think that will happen. Please send them your love > and energy... > > Peace and love, > > Greg :( > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 00:35:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA25140; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MediaCity.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id AAA25135; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.0.2.1] (easy3.mediacity.com [205.216.172.12]) by MediaCity.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA14431 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:32:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:32:49 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: joes@3ad.com (Joe Schmelzer) Subject: Rave Virgin Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I found out about MegaBuzz from the Hyperreal Web site. It was my first rave. I am a little older (27), and I have to say that I was very impressed by the vibe. I had a great time. Sean Murray (sp?) was amazing. Suddenly it was six hours later... Seeing young (and old) people of various backgrounds, ethnicities, finances, whatever, grooving together was REALLY COOL. There's hope. T.Man From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 02:51:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id CAA07139; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 02:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id CAA07134; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 02:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id CAA01423; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 02:51:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 02:51:13 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609030951.CAA01423@netcom19.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR: help Steve find a home!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi all: The time has come for me to depart from Palo Alto (it's a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to live there) due to an expiring sublet. And what a wonderful excuse to get my ass out of suburbia and into San Francisco!!! Where do *you* fit in to all of this? Well, by helping me in my quest to find housing in SF, not only would you win my undying love and gratitude, but you'd also be doing your part in helping the homeless find shelter in the Bay Area :) So if you're looking for a housemate, know of someone who is, or are interested in getting a few people together to start a new place, then please consider me! I'm clean, respectful, responsible, employed, work and play well with others, etc. I'm also able to make a one year (or more?) commitment. Please respond only by private email. Sorry to clutter your inboxes; however, I'm posting here because people on this list are generally employed, interesting, and tolerant of people with bizarre sleeping patterns ;) So please bear with me. Thanks! Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 06:50:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id GAA23023; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osceola.gate.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id GAA23016; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hopi.gate.net (hardware@hopi.gate.net [199.227.0.13]) by osceola.gate.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA114406; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:50:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (hardware@localhost) by hopi.gate.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA59252; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:50:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: hopi.gate.net: hardware owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:50:47 -0400 (EDT) From: DJ Hardware To: South East Rave List cc: fl-raves@cat.net, txraves@io.com, nw-raves@hyperreal.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, ne-raves@world.std.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: new Releases........ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all you net ravers: Here are the new releases for Adrenalin Records for the next 3 months.............. This is not a sales pitch, just tring to inform every one about our releases.... A D R E N A L I N R E C O R D S P R E S E N T S CD COMPILATION & 12" VINYL RELEASES _____________________________________________________________________________ o ADRENALIN HARDCORE RUSH 2: EXTREME POWER OVERDRIVE Continuously Mixed by DJ Hardware After the huge success generated from the first "Adrenalin Hardcore Rush" album, Adrenalin Records is proud to present to you the next level in hardcore techno music with, Adrenalin Hardcore Rush 2. Described all over the world as the hardest dance music on earth, this CD takes the listner on a journey through the depths of Rotterdams hardcore Gabba music. Combining Spine Twisting basslines with Mind Racing beats flowing at (160+ BPM), World renoun mixologist DJ Hardware creates a continuous hypersonic mix that will give the listner a pure electronic overload. Track List: (1) DJ Alex - Say What (2) DJ Oh Oh Omar Santana - Boy Is Banging (3) The Hew York Terrorist - Slamma Jamma (4) Predator Vs. Wedlock - Get Down (5) Wedlock - Ruffneck (The Sound Of the Drum And The Bass) (6) Carjacker - Time to motivate (7) El Bruto - Are You Down (8) The New York Terrorist - Ain't it Wild (9) Insane - Kiss My Ass (10) Stingray & Sonicdriver - Power of Darkness (11) Source Code - Dawn of Terror o Adrenalin Trance Acid Experience Vol. 1 : In The Mix With MICRO Continuously mixed by MICRO, NYC (1/2 of Progression) Adrenalin Records would like to welcome you to the first in a series devoted to the Trance Acid Experience and the World Renoun DJ's that creat these journeys. The first instalment is brought to you by MICRO from NY. MICRO, one half of the group Progression, has spanned the globe creating a musical kaliedascope where ever he plays. On this journey, MICRO combines the elements of "Trip-Hop Acid Phunk" with epic breakdowns, then moves in to a steady mind bending trance groove to creat a Smooth flowing psychedelic trance exploration. Track List: (1) Micro & Vicious Vic - Impact (Pure Mix) (2) The Stickmen - The Shaker (3) RE 2 or 1 - ESUOH (Simons Come Unity Mix (4) PAradise 30001 - Long Distance Call To Heaven(Progression RMX) (5) Kimball & Dekkard - Starlife (6) Pendulum - I Need You (Mindwarp Remix) (7) M.B. Ant - First Session (8) The Five Magic Beans - Time Bomb (Josh Wink Remix) (9) Baby Doc & The Dentist - Mantra (Hardfloor Remix) (10) Brainvibe II - It's Hot (Wippenberg Mix) o ACID WARFARE VOLUME 2 : THE TRANCE ACID CONNECTION Continuously Mixed by Kelly D Stemming from the huge success of Acid Warfare vol. 1, Adrenalin Records would like to welcome you back to the battle zone once again for our second chapter, Acid Warfare volume 2: The Trance Acid Connection. This chapter dives deep into the future of Acid Trance with the back bone of the tracks more on the house tip. From the sublime beggining of EOX's - "Acid New York" to the dark hypniotic acid lines of Junk Project's "The Trail", Blokka's - "Exploration", and Mark NRG's - "Don't Stop", Acid Warfare vol. 2 takes the listner through an Auditory journey through the barrier of sound, as it should be heard, in the mix by one of americas finest acid trance DJ's, Kelly D of Florida. Track List: (1) EOX - Acid New York (2) Steve Bug - Wiking (3) Transmigration - Pump (4) Twister - Mental Breakdown (Total Loss Remix) (5) Mark NRG - Don't Stop (Mo' Tune Remix) (6) Biotrans - Klente (7) Blokka - Exploration (8) Junk Project II - The Trail (9) Al-Faris VS The Pagemaster - Silver Clouds (10) House Trap II - High On the Edge ______________________________________________________________________________ 12" vinyl Releases __________________ THE TWEAKERS - "All Tweaked Out" Produced & Written by Trip-Hop Acid Phunk Mixmaster DJ HARDWARE And DJ REMIX Includes Remixes By: o DJ Voodoo & DJ Donovan o Stryke Vs. Hardware --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DJ ABLAZE - "Based On Acid" Written And Produced By Legendary German Acid Trance Masters De Donatis & DJ Ablaze A monster of an acid trancer with huge spine twisting builds and some of the fiercest acid basslines ever heard by the human ear that will shake the ground beneath your feet. Very similiar to X-Trax records, DJ Misjah, style production from Holland. A definite crowd pleaser!!!! 3 Mixes Included Licenses From Upbeat Records (Germany) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PLASTIX - "Brr-Babba" Written And Produced By Legendary German Acid Trance Producers De Donatis & Imre Corte This Devestating, mind altering acid trance track takes you on an enormous roller coaster ride through mind blowing basslines and monstrous breakdowns that erupt in orgasmic frenzies. Plastix is again very similar to X-trax Records, DJ Misjah, Style of Production (Holland). A record not to be missed by all Acid Trance Junkies.....!!!!!! 2 mixes Included + 1 bonus track "Milk & Biscuts" Licenses From Upbeat Records (Germany) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE DJ SCOT PROJECT - "U: The Feeling" Written & Produced By Frank Zenker A Progressive House / Trance Masterpiece. Presently creating a massive buzz in the UK on Positiva Records, this dancefloor pounder hits the shores fothe USA with Ferocious power on the Adrenalin label. All ready getting heavy play from Major DJ's Across The USA such as: DJ HARDWARE, MICRO, STRYKE, Taylor, Kimball Collins....& Many More! 4 mixes included Licenses from Overdose Records (Germany) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- STRYKE - "Acid Musique" Written And Produced By Stryke The first single from Adrenalin recording artist, Stryke's forth coming full length CD release due out January 1997, "Reality Base." "Acid Musique" dives deep into the realm of Acid House/trance with mind hypnotizing acid basslines and devasting organ stabs, then through a sonic driving build, slams your body right on the floor with vicious power. Includes Remixes By: o De Donatis (Producer of Plastix, DJ Ablaze - Frankfurt, Germany) o The Stickmen (Stickman records, Toronto Canada) o Stryke - (Live Machina Remix - Miami, FL) + Original - "Future Acid House Mix" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- COTTON CLUB - "Hear The Drummer" US Remixes (2x12") Smoookin'!!!! It's the only word to describe the NEW US REMIXES of Adrenalin / Fantastic (UK) Records Recording artist, Cotton Club's, debut single, "Hear The Drummer" from their forth coming full length CD release"Sex, Sins & Samples" due out February 1997. These remixes are definitely fierce with a mix for every type of DJ. From the incredible house remix of Lenny Bertoldo (Remixed projects for Ace of Base, East 17, & Real McCoy) to ferocious progressive trance break sounds of Progression (Micro & Vicious Vic: Paradise 3001, Caffine Crew and many More) to the head spinning acid trance mix (140BPM) by Toxik Twins(DJ HArdware & DJ Remix - The Tweakers - All Tweake Out) to Noel W. Sangers(Sub Conscious - The Feeling, OX Records, Outthere Brothers remix of Oh La La Hey hey) progressive break house remix, this 12" single is sure to be a dance floor pleaser again and again!! 4 Remixes included + Original and Radio Edit ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- COTTON CLUB - "NU Jack" US REMIXES Coming SOON!!!!!!!!!!! _____________________________________________________________________________ m u s i c w i t h a r u s h From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 08:27:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA29791; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA29785; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA10970; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:27:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199609031527.IAA10970@netcom11.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: back from burning man and the USA is at war ... Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 08:27:09 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ... with Iraq. Far away, in another equally arid area, the USA sent 27 cruise missiles to blow up "military targets." Now I am sure I'm not voting for Clinton. He's no better than Bush -- killing innocent civilans to get votes. What a sick and fucked up country we've built. I don't think we could have partied any harder at BM to prevent this continuing atrocity. All this crap coming on the tail of recent news of the US Armed Forces coverup of "Gulf War Syndrome" coming from exposure of our troops to chemical weapons released from factories/storage-areas that we bombed. The irony is that the chemical weapons and the plants we bombed were predominantly supplied by American companies; we even sold them the chemicals in the first place (including compounds used to make sarin gas). It turns out some of our "friendly fire" casualties during "Operation Desert Storm" were actually our own troops that died horrible agonizing deaths through exposure to chemical weapons in places they had been instructed to blow up. Of course, our troops weren't told that they'd need to don chemical exposure suits, and they died after exposure to chemicals from the plants and storage sites they destroyed. The surviving hapless veterans, falling ill upon their return home, were publicly called "wimps and complainers" by those that sought to coverup our role in arming Iraq -- they were publicly told to "act like real men and veterans" just to hide the complicity of the big industrial companies that sold all the shit to Iraq in the first place... And the lies they spew on CNN -- totally repulsive. Like we suddenly have taken this great overarching interest in the well-being of the Kurds. Most amerikkkans don't know Kurds from cottage cheese, nor do they care, nor is it our business to care. How can they call this a democracy? Where is "the will of the people"? We didn't really get any approval from our allies. So much for the UN. Other than that, I had a great time at Burning Man. "We will teach them a lesson their weak and empty souls do not know" -- Saddam Hussein =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 08:52:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA01655; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA01643; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id IAA20359 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:52:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199609031552.IAA20359@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Burning Man '96 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:52:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The first thing you notice about Burning Man is the intensity of the environement. They were not kidding when they stressed the importance of shade and water. We spent most of our day just hanging out under our shade, sipping on water bottles. The heat steals most of your energy, so all you can really do during the day is hang out under the shade. We had our shade all set up with heavy-duty stakes, but about 3 hours after we erected it, a mini-tornado tore through our camp, breaking the shade poles, snapping the tie-down lines, and ripping the metal gromets out of the tarp. We were able to rebuild it, kind of. The Rave Camp was 2 miles away, which kind of sucked. Walking there was too dificult. At night, riding your bike was dangerous becuase the chances of getting hit by a car was pretty high. So, everytime you wanted to rave, you hopped in your car. Most ravers camped in the main camp, because the rave camp was just so seperated from the rest of burning man. My Opinions: The best setup at the rave camp was Gateway. With something like 8 or 12 speaker stacks setup in a giant circle pointed inwards, the sound was amazing. At the center was a 3 story high scaffolding setup draped in light white cloth illuminated by blacklights. 4 intellibeams scanned the playa floor and a bright green lazer shot 10 feet above the playa to the Main Camp, making it easy to follow the green light all the way to Gateway. The best music was the CCC system. Top-notch Goa that clawed its way into your head and forced your body to move. I will be looking to go to other CCC parties in the future. The actual Burning of the Man did not disappoint. 10,000 people circled the structure. Hundreds of drummers provided the soundtrack. A procession of people with flags and torches approached the Man. Bright signal flares went up all around us, illuminating the whole Main Camp in an strange, red glow. The man was lit and exploded into flames. Fireworks went up everwhere. He burned for several minutes before finally collapsing onto the ground. Incredible. Anyone going to Burning Man in hopes of seeing lots of naked people would have not been disappointed. Coolest stuff: A home-made device using air compressors and gasoline to fire 40-foot high fireballs into the air. Even from 20 feet away, the heat and the flash were incredible! I think I lost some hair from the heat. A sculpture of about 40 old pianos that had the wires exposed. Everyone was encouraged to grab a stick and bang on them. It was a chorus of chaos. A jet-powered bicycle. A driving sofa. A bigger-than life version of the game Mousetrap using bowling balls. A guy hitting a block of burnign magnesium creating blinding white-hot flashes. And tons of other stuff that you really just had to see to believe :) New experiences are really cool. Just when you think you have seen it all, Burning Man proves you wrong. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 09:00:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA02299; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA02290; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA07664 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:00:51 -0700 Received: from hera.synopsys.com (hera.synopsys.com [146.225.100.23]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA03990 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:00:41 -0700 Received: from [146.225.54.11] (mac-54-11.synopsys.com [146.225.54.11]) by hera.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08269 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:00:37 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:01:37 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: NRR: The end is near for epaul Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Friends, This Friday will be my last day at work, so I'll be falling off the list. I hope to get hooked up with an IP soon, so I can remain connected from home. In the meantime, if anyone wants to contact me, lemme know, and I'll give you my phone#. See ya! - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 09:17:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA07997; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bolero.rahul.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA07990; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.61.226.222] (c222.rahul.net) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP id AA13971 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:17:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:17:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199609031617.AA13971@bolero.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: wolfe@rahul.net (Nancy W. Wolfe) Subject: Re: Everyone please... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I hope they'll be alright. It was a very disturbing end to what had >been a great weekend. It could have just as easily been myself and >Heather; the injured were in the next tent to mine. How horrible it >is to wake up to a collision and screams! We had just met them a >couple of nights before. Give them my best: they will be on my mind, >and a lot of others as well. > Send out all your good thoughts and energy to Andrew of Astral Matrix as well. He was helping to take down the Wicked scaffolding and part of it fell on his head. He is in a hospital in Tahoe and should be back in S.F. sometime tonight. I know he is okay but he probably had to have a few stitches. I'm really sorry to hear about the other folks as well. I just met them a few nights ago and was really bummed to hear about them getting injured. I actually made it unscathed. It was one crazy huge fuckin' party!!!!! I hope this will make everyone who goes next year a little bit more leary about camping in the middle of nowhere. I hope also people who have been drinking think a little longer before they decide to get behind the wheel of a car. Just because there are no police officers out there to bust the drunk drivers does not mean it's okay people. I'm sure noone on SFraves would ever think about doing something that stupid and inconsiderate right??????????? -Nancy W. Wolfe From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 09:30:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA09003; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA08994; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.192.224] (ch051.Chance.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.192.224]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA17698; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199609031527.IAA10970@netcom11.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:20:15 -0700 To: "Niels P. Mayer" From: David Ginsberg Subject: Re: back from burning man and the USA is at war ... Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 8:27 AM -0700 9/3/96, Niels P. Mayer wrote: >Now I am sure I'm not voting for Clinton. He's no better than Bush -- >killing innocent civilans to get votes. What a sick and fucked up >country we've built. > Clinton is like Bush in this respect...he holds an office in which it makes sense for him to do certain things and no sense for him to do certain other things. IMHO, changing the person in that position will do little to alter the nature of global geopolitics. The history of US Foreign policy in the last 60 years backs this posistion. Our choices in Presidents come down to different ways of approaching domestic issues...changing the other will require something much larger than a Presidential election. I remain hopeful that this can and will happen in our lifetimes...but in the meantime I think the domestic issues are important enough to future generations of Americans (or the descendents of those who were Americans) to make me vote for Clinton, unless he's so far ahead of Dole that my voting for Ralph Nader couldn't conceivably get Dole into the White House. > >I don't think we could have partied any harder at BM to prevent this >continuing atrocity. I party to party, to share a vibe with those who will, and hopefully to take that vibe with me out into the world and share it with others I encounter. But when I want to prevent atrocity partying isn't usually my medium of choice...and I really doubt its effectiveness here...are Clinton and Hussein supposed to feel the vibe from BM all the way from their respective offices? If you want your voice to be heard maybe some sort of communication is in order...communication with those who might be in a position not only to hear you but to do something about it. Just a suggestion. > >And the lies they spew on CNN -- totally repulsive. Like we suddenly >have taken this great overarching interest in the well-being of the >Kurds. Most amerikkkans don't know Kurds from cottage cheese, nor do >they care, nor is it our business to care. How can they call this a >democracy? Where is "the will of the people"? We didn't really get any >approval from our allies. So much for the UN. > Geopolitics isn't about this sort of thing. And as far as the media goes look who owns them and then figure out how much you're willing to buy and what sort of slant that ownership is likely to give. I don't expect truth from the media...I expect truth from my friends and family. The media isn't about truth, it's about power, and the interests of power rarely lie in the realm of truth. Yeah, it'd be swell if we could all just mind our own business and let others be. The world we inhabit isn't like that and isn't gonna get there by bagging on the way things are. You want it to be different? Lead. You wanna know what to do? Listen. You wanna be heard? Speak the truth. I'm sorry you came back from BM to such disheartening news...a small reminder that the dark world continues on its course whilst we rave. Yet I believe that someday, with lots of love, truth, and positive energy we will reach critical mass, and will remake a world in the nurturing image of love and openness. Words I live by: "Small changes in initial conditions can lead to state transitions" - Mandlebroit? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~ David Ginsberg Student of Neurophenomenology and the Human Condition University of California, Berkeley ginsberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu .................................... Attitudes are contagious. Is yours worth catching? ~ ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 09:55:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA11083; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA11077; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA24152; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:55:38 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960903165528.00741148@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 09:55:28 -0700 To: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: Everyone please... Cc: SFRaves Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Greg; Could you please give us clueless people a few more details? Thanks Brian At 05:22 PM 9/2/96 -0700, you wrote: >Send some healing energy to my/our dear friends!!!!! > >I got a call today, telling me that some close friends of mine were in >a horrible accident at the BM Festival. They were asleep in their tent, >when a ... (never mind, you'll get sick if i tell you. Let's just say, >I HATE drunk drivers!!!!!!) > >Anyways, they are in critical condition in intensive care in a hospital >in Reno, awaiting surgery. I am off to go be with them. They are both >unconscious right now, but I hope they can pull out of this awful >nightmare. I really hope that by the time I get there everything will >be ok, but I don't think that will happen. Please send them your love >and energy... > >Peace and love, > >Greg :( > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 09:58:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA11264; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA11257; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA24274 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:58:21 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960903165811.0073e130@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 09:58:11 -0700 To: SFRaves From: "THX1138" Subject: Back From BM, I'm luckly To Be .... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; Back from BM, and am VERY thankful I'm still alive, that's all I have to say, sorry. Peace Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 10:40:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA14976; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from typhoon.dial.pipex.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA14969; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [193.130.248.52] by typhoon.dial.pipex.net (8.7.5/) id SAA01808; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:40:16 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: ac504@pop.dial.pipex.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:40:24 +0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: quentin@dial.pipex.com (Quentin North) Subject: Hi from UK! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Me and my girlfriend are coming from Bristol, UK to SF on 8 Sept until 22 Sept. Any info on whats going on, things to do etc etc appreciated. Cheers, Quentin & Jane From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 10:41:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA15056; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA15050; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id KAA18405; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:41:14 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960903165528.00741148@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:41:09 -0800 To: "THX1138" From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Everyone please... Cc: SFRaves Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've started this email at least five times now. I'm not sure how to convey the following information: At 8am Monday morning, September 2nd, an individual drove from the Main Camp to the Rave Camp. He was not sober, but I am not aware of what he was on, or if he fell asleep. He ran through a campsite, coming to a stop after striking another vehicle. At this point I don't think it would be prudent to offer more information. In time you will hear the news. It's a sad day. I'm sorry this sounds cryptic, but I just don't think it's right to say any more. Please understand. Tony P.S. Please don't make a thread of this, there will be ample time for that, for right now please send all your energy toward Reno, and those that cry out to us. At 9:55 AM -0700 9/3/96, THX1138 wrote: >Dear Greg; > > Could you please give us clueless people a few more details? > >Thanks >Brian > >At 05:22 PM 9/2/96 -0700, you wrote: >>Send some healing energy to my/our dear friends!!!!! >> >>I got a call today, telling me that some close friends of mine were in >>a horrible accident at the BM Festival. They were asleep in their tent, >>when a ... (never mind, you'll get sick if i tell you. Let's just say, >>I HATE drunk drivers!!!!!!) >> >>Anyways, they are in critical condition in intensive care in a hospital >>in Reno, awaiting surgery. I am off to go be with them. They are both >>unconscious right now, but I hope they can pull out of this awful >>nightmare. I really hope that by the time I get there everything will >>be ok, but I don't think that will happen. Please send them your love >>and energy... >> >>Peace and love, >> >>Greg :( >> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 10:46:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA15451; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA15443; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA03357; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:44:30 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA27166; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:34:54 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: epaul@Synopsys.COM Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NRR: The end is near for epaul Date: 03 Sep 1996 17:52:28 GMT Message-Id: <874827707.122030456@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Nice having you on the list Eric. Positive people bring change. May you experiance many things in life, for experiance IS life... Till next time, Adam ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 10:52:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA15852; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA15843; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA29814; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:52:39 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199609031752.KAA29814@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Back From BM, I'm luckly To Be .... To: THX1138@planet-jubip.com (THX1138) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960903165811.0073e130@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> from "THX1138" at Sep 3, 96 09:58:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Dear All; > > Back from BM, and am VERY thankful I'm still alive, that's all I > have to say, sorry. > > Peace > Brian > > Funny not funny (depends upon interpretation), As I took my girlfirend to school this morning I looked around and saw all of the dusty cars/trucks/transports from BM oparked all over the Haight. This year, I looked at those people as survivors moreso than partygoers. I guess chaos ain't all it's cracked up to be. The events of this past weekend re-affirm the need for laws, sorry to say. With that, I'm out. Sorry to hear about Bro. Andrew, I'll talk to him when homey gets home. My prayers and good wishes to the others who were injured. If I hear one pollyanna remark about this years BM I'll know we are truly in hell. I know I won't be disappointed.... :< Out, John P.S. NExt year BM for me? I seriously doubt it. The way this years BM was leed & hyped, it , IMO, was the height of irresponsibility. 15,000 crackerjacks with no order, no law? No thanks. I think it's time for this thing to implode. out 1 more time. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 11:04:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA16974; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA16965; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id LAA18959; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:04:21 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199609031552.IAA20359@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:04:17 -0800 To: Troy Sheets , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Burning Man '96 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Several additions to Troy's comments... >A sculpture of about 40 old pianos that had the wires exposed. Everyone >was encouraged to grab a stick and bang on them. It was a chorus of >chaos. Actually it was 88 pianos, and inside, where it was loudest, they were serving beer and gispacho[sp]. =) >A driving sofa. Accompanied by a remote control end table and lamp! TR From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 11:07:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA17242; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA17234; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg128-123.ricochet.net [204.179.128.123]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA19864 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:07:46 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960903180722.006c6c94@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 11:07:22 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: nrr: matt's message for tuesday Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i hope this first day at work for many of you is a good one, i know i'm dreading the work/school combination. but, i can do it for 9 months. to those who went to burning man: you were in my prayers the entire time, and as far as i know, all the sfravers who went came back safely. let's pray/meditate/whatever you do for those who were hurt there. i probably won't see ya'll at a party until harmony, i'm saving up my energy for that. i've been sick, so i'm recouperating, plus i need a small break from raving. but, until harmony is a long enough break, so i look forward to seeing ya'll there! well, remember that i love ya'll, and have a wonderful day! love- matt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 11:23:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA18553; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA18526; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.97.35.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:31:40 -0700 X-Sender: ambient@netcom13.netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:24:33 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Joe Rice Subject: and another BM report Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It's very odd indeed to be back among fluorescent lights and computers after the weekend. We camped in the rave camp and set up a little sound system for our own entertainment - There was great music coming from all the larger systems and I'd be quite thankful to anyone who can tell me who was played the great dub set on the Spaz system on Sunday morning. Gateway's setup was incredible, with their massive lighting tower and laser able to be seen for miles away through the desert. Saturday night was incredible - a great vibe - it was wonderful to play under such a beautiful night sky. Although I still don't understand why a random guy came up and handed me a pair of vise-grip pliers while I was playing. Sunday was a bit more chaotic and I got the impression while in main camp for the burn that everyone was getting rid of their inebrients of choice by ingesting them as quickly as possible. There was a really high amount of alcohol, which wouldn't have necessarily been bad if people hadn't decided thatince they were in the desert normal common sense about driving intoxicated didn't apply. Greg's already mentioned the tragic accident that occured early Monday morning as someone cut through rave camp on their way to Wicked and ran over two tents full of sleeping people right near Gateway. Definitely a fucked up way to end the weekend. The main camp was so huge it would have taken days to see everything - I wish I knew what I'd missed. I still can't get over the fact that they were selling espresso and cappucino. (Overheard one couple asking for lowfat milk in their caps) Of course there were burning structures and items everywhere - one of the highlights was seeing our own Dave Bayer giving fire breathing instruction to volunteers. I'm still not quite back enough to put the whole weekend in context, but it was definitely a life affecting experience. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 11:33:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA19306; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sole.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA19294; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by sole.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12877; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:35:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199609031835.LAA12877@sole.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BM....life & death Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have to say that this years BM was amazing...... I had my doubts going in about how many people would show up for the Rave element (I thought it would be overwelmingly packed out), but instead It was the BM camp that swelled to an amazing size. By Sunday nite the event exploded into a free for all of fire, performances and wierdness. I was in complete shock at how incredible some of the performances were. The best music I heard all weekend was not in rave camp, but on the main stage in the BM camp. There was a guy who performed with fire and some electronicly attached metal stuff (for lack of a better description). that blew my mind. In addition there was a DJ who played some of the fattest tracks I have ever heard. (I wanred to find out who it was, but I decided, it didn't matter who he was, just that I enjoyed his music.) The Mudhenge area was awsome, I spent most of my daytimes wallowing in mud to beat the heat. We had mud wrestling, mud wars, sliding contests, and we even played twister in the mud. However my favorite time was when everyone would line up side by side to form a horseshoe, and people would crawl through the horseshoe over the top of everyone..........WOW, lots & lots of fun. The couch on wheels was a major hit for me, as was the piano sculpture, and the giant life size moustrap game. there were one man helecopters, airoplanes, and tons of wild & crazy people boppin around. The rave camp was interesting. GATEWAY did a brilliant job of setting up there new sound system in a cirle reminicent of stone henge, with the DJ in the center of the circle, it created a beautiful energy where once within the circle, you were one with the rest of the people equally distributed 360 degrees around the DJ. Their lazer would shine all the way to BM camp (some 2-3 miles away), and it made it easier to find rave camp. I think they did themselves justice, and impressed all my friends and family. WICKED was wicked. They had a nice set up with interesting visuals and a lazer. I was hard pressed to be able to go near the front of the DJ booth, as it was all to packed with people. (like so many clubs). but musically it was a typical wicked, and I especially liked Garths trip hop funky elements at the start of his set. (Sat 2:30 am -ish). Tracy has been practicing since last time I heard her (6 months ago), and I was happy to see her enjoying herself. Polywog was .....well Polywog, and I love her to death......she is so fresh and original, and her vibe is so cooooool........you should have seen her purple-ness..........what a characture........ CCC had a pretty wimpy camp set-up, but the people that hung out there were really colorful and up-beat. It reminded me of the UK this summer, with the international (GOA style) look. lots of healthy happy and brightly dressed people (neon colors and patterns). They had a large sculpture (an alien I think), that they torched sunday nite. SPAZ, was non existent, and after last years success, I had hoped Spaz would come on strong again, but I don't know what happened to them.........too bad. (besides last year they had asked me to play, and I wanted to drop my new records at the BM somewhere). I have to say this was one of the best parties I have ever attended, and the only thing that ruined it for me was to hear that our friends were badly injured by a drunk driver, and in addition I heard that there was a death (poss 3 ?). This makes me sad and took away from any positive aspect of BM as it seems we may have gone too far in our attempt to be wild & free. I can only hope that our 2 friends in hospital in Reno (and Andrew in Tahoe) will be alright, and that we have not jeporadized any future BM events. I for one will be very sad to know that the creative proccess that flows at BM, could be quelched by one or two complete morons and nitwits. Over-all I have to say BM was beyond itself, and I had the time of my life. I ran into many old friends and met some new ones. I saw a lot of British people who had come over just for this event (Shakti, Gemma, Mark, Lulu, Anne, Jason, and Jessica to name a few......). The event was so large this year that I could'nt find some of my friends who I had planned to meet, and I expect I'm not the only one to say that........ Let us give thanks that we are here to read & write about the BM, and not suffering in a hospital bed, or lying in a morge in Reno. It gives me some perspective that some of the tripe and quibling we get up to sometimes (here on SFR), is just a waste of time & energy.........enjoy life while you are still here to enjoy it.......And spread the good vibe through whatever means you can. (writing, music, massage, etc....whatever your skill is). The weather was a lot more calm this year, no major dust storms, or thunder storms, and my body is racked with small scratches, cuts, and minor injuries, but it was totally worth it. One of the highlites of my weekend was to be able to shower with warm water, and clean the mud off after 2 days of wallowing. I enjoyed some intense conversations, but especially enjoyed my time talking to Paul. (as the man burned....) (Paul if your out there.....call me as I promised you a tape.....) 415-337-6666 All in all a good time was had by all.........And I can't wait to be able to afford to get my pictures developed........all 6 rolls) moonpup From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 11:38:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA19568; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seidc.sei.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA19557; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet.sei.com (monet.sei.com [198.202.174.27]) by seidc.sei.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA08463; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:37:32 -0700 From: Martin Randall Received: (kk@localhost) by monet.sei.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA03571; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:36:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199609031836.LAA03571@monet.sei.com> Subject: Re: NRR: The end is near for epaul To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Eric P. Peterson" at Sep 3, 96 09:01:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well I for one will be sorry to see you go, and will look forward to your return in the not-too-distant future, I hope! While we've never met (I think!) I've enjoyed having you around and haved LOVED and kept in my email inbox to cheer me up from time to time messages like the one below, which make me realise how much I've quickly come to think of sfraves as my family away from home and my true support system. May you go in peace and walk in beauty. And come back soon! - Martin > > > To all who read this: I simply and sincerely wish each of you much peace, > love, unity, and respect, today and every day :) > > Your Humble Servant, > Eric > >> >> Friends, >> >> This Friday will be my last day at work, so I'll be falling off the >> list. I hope to get hooked up with an IP soon, so I can remain connected >> from home. In the meantime, if anyone wants to contact me, lemme know, and >> I'll give you my phone#. >> >> See ya! >> - E >> >> >> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 11:42:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA20292; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA20209; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.86.220.227 (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA26025 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:41:49 -0700 Message-ID: <322C7CF5.2419@best.com> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 11:46:13 -0700 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: need calander please:) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Can someone forward me last weeks' calander? Thanks in advance! -peace- alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 12:22:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA29227; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA28691; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linda.teleport.com (shakti@linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08418 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shakti@localhost) by linda.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA06660; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: test-please ignore Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 12:23:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA25932; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from easynet.co.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA25480; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: rebekah@easynet.co.uk Received: from [194.72.160.133] (rebekah.easynet.co.uk [194.72.160.133]) by easynet.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA25881 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:06:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:06:30 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: loadsa luvly rekkids 4 sale Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I'm off on a much awaited and much deserved "House pilgrimage" to San Francisco and San Francisco in a coupla weeks. Unfortunately I'm really short on cash so I'm flogging loadsa my old records so I can go out and by some new ones! I've got a massive collection of house, techno, acid, garage etc, from the US, UK, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Italy etc etc. I'm in London at the moment but I would be happy to bring any records you want to SF instead of bothering with all the hassle with posting them and sending money. It would be nice to meet some of you SFRavers anyway! Email me for a list soon or you could check out Jamies Techno Page: http://www.maths.ex.ac.uk/~james/tekno/reb/europ.html but that list needs updating. It would help if you tell me what kind of stuff you're looking for as the list is pretty long. Cheers and see you soon... Rebekah tWiSTed From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 12:50:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA05844; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA05836; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.160.189] (wmf65.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.160.189]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA30010 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:49:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:47:31 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: attn: viberation crew Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I know it's been awhile since the beach party, but I'm _still_ trying to find my green zippered hooded sweatshirt. I haven't seen it since August 17th. I know I didn't leave it on the beach, and I'm almost certain that it went home in someone's car/truck. has anyone seen it? smiles, -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 13:12:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA08531; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 13:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA08505; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 13:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA12554; Tue, 3 Sep 96 13:12:09 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 13:12:09 -0700 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9609032012.AA12554@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Burning Man Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk John's Burning Man Experience: Overall, I had a great time and really enjoyed the experience. It did end up being more challenging than I thought it would though because of some issues I will try to describe. First of all I went last year, where I had just an awesome time. Everything just flowed so easily and I was very impressed with most everything I came across. I guess that's part of the beauty of innocence, we let ourselves appreciate everything because it's all so new. But I think it made this year harder, because I kept looking for last years experience, trying to recreate the magic of it all that I felt last year, and I soon realized that this kept leaving me dissapointed, because I couldn't find that same group of people or kept feeling the tension of wanting something that belonged to another time, and not getting it because all I had was this time. I didn't realize this until late friday night. Most of friday I was still caught up in the excitement of being back on the playa and setting up and discovering all the things that were there. And then that night I was at rave camp and was dancing at Gateway, having a great time until it all hit me, quite suddenly, this huge wound, where I became aware that I wasn't letting myself appreciate the present. I somehow felt that I wasn't giving enough of myself to Burning Man '96 and in return I didn't deserve to get that much back. So the answer is easy right, just start giving... but sometimes that's much easier said than done. That feeling stayed with me most of Saturday, where I decided to devote myself more toward main camp, because I felt myself expecting to be at rave camp, because that was where I thought I would be more comfortable but likewise where I was living in the past. I thought main camp would be more challenging and different and might inspire me to wake up to a new experience. It was working, slowly, but surely... The wound and fear I felt was very deep, but it was healing, and I was appreciating the process even though it was very trying. On Saturday I explored a lot and saw a great many very creative things. Even with all the party-goers and spectators, Burning Man is still one of the most impressive collections of creative expression I have come across, and that's the beauty I want to remember about the whole trip. That freedom, where people can mud wrestle and bolt 88 pianos together and shout "burn mother ducker burn!" and jump naked on a trampoline and put a necklace in a shrine where all objects are sacred and drive over 700 miles an hour and a laser shines for miles across the desert and drunk guy camped next to year says fuck a lot because someone stole his cooler full of beer and the alien repellent pyramid buzzes full time keeping you safe from evil aliens while aliens come up to you smiling and groove with you to damn cool music and noise and complain about how bad this festival has gotten and wonder at how free everyone is... So on Saturday night after watching Hellco burn I found myself exhausted, not having slept since friday morning, and I slep soundly all night. On Sunday I headed back to rave camp and wandered into CCC where some great music was playing and some great people were getting down. I decided not to be so hard on myself. Admit that I love raving and even despite all the antirave sentiment floating around in main camp raving is a big part of who I am and what I love and that's exactly what this weekend was about. Then it got hot again and so I stayed low, wandering more, talking to people, waiting for the night... I'm definately more a night person than a day person... and the burning of the man came. As with last year, I decided to make my interpretation of the man be raw fear, and watch it burn. I think it worked, because things just got better from there. I then walked the two miles back out to rave camp and danced for about an hour at each sound system. I decided to adopt a new saying, "It's all good." based on the principle that left and right I need to trust more. whether it's trusting the drunk guys cursing the next camp over who ended up leaving Sunday afternoon (no more beer), or trusting that the sacred temple really can listen to the object you place in it and give it life, or trusting the stranger who offers you a ride, or trusting yourself to be just as important a piece of the puzzle as the next guy who seems to be doing so much more than you... It's all good and it all has something to make your life more special. It's all magic. It was hard, but very satisfying. and yes I would go again next year. In regard to everyone who was injured or hurt, I have a small story: In 1989 I was in a car accident. I wasn't driving, and there was nothing going on in my life that could make me guilty enough to deserve what happened. In fact, it was a period of my life where everything was going extremely well, and I had everything to look forward too. I ripped my neck and had a stroke. I was in a coma for a while and woke up with my left side paralyzed and most of my ribs broken. I spent a long time being angry because I couldn't see the point of such a thing happening. Most of my left side came back in the following year, my ribs healed, for the most part, and I was able to get on with life. Nothing was the same though and I missed the past, in a very similar way to how I started off looking for the old buning man experience this year, and was unable to appreciate the new. I could no longer play the saxophone, or ride a bike, or walk entirely straight, or hold my left arm still, as huge tremors keep it shaking anytime I am not asleep, even to this day. But I've been learning that I really appreciate who I am now, and that the insight into myself that the accident gave me and the healing process that I've had to go through is one of the most beautiful experiences I've ever known. It's extremely hard, but if my love of life and the appreciation I have for so many aspects of it is a result of the accident, I am no longer sorry it happened. In fact, I've come to realize that no matter what happens, no matter how bad, we will survive and eventually heal as a far stronger person than we started off being. and I now have no doubt that eventually my arm and my spirit will heal completely, and that I will appreciate having gone through that pain and won. Some days look bleak and fear consumes us and our faith, but the healing is inevitable, and we just have to learn to trust the darkness. It's all good. -john. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 14:28:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA15855; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA15849; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:28:05 -0700 (PDT) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Received: by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA21826 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:27:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:27:33 -0400 Message-ID: <960903172732_471013700@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Party at Ethan's NRR Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey Ethan and everyone else at his house on Saturday, To add to my dissapointment about not being able to show on Saturday, I found out this morning that my best friend attended the party after telling me she wasn't going. My *best friend* caught a ride on B.A.R.T. with a mutual aquaintance we know and cruised over to Berkley to hang out for a while. Aside from not telling me she was going to the party I had informed her about, she waited until now to tell me what a great time she had. However, she insists it was all a big hassle hitch-hiking home and everything. I don't really believe her since I thought we had a trusting friendship and I wanted so much to hear the music and meet everyone. We are still working out differences, and I think (being the forgiving person I am) we will continue to be best friends. What with losing my wallet and all it was really not my week. Anyone who knows how to cheer me up would be a big help. Thanx so much. <(patrice)> <<<>>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 14:34:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA16303; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA16287; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (saberant@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA04387 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:33:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.sfsu.edu: saberant owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:33:47 -0700 (PDT) From: SARAH ABERANT X-Sender: saberant@orion To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: bianca Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk god i miss bianca's smut shack! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 15:23:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA20028; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wired.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA20004; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.62.132.170] (vary.hotwired.com [204.62.132.170]) by wired.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13455; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:24:38 -0700 To: SARAH ABERANT , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: bianca Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 2:33pm -0700 9/3/96, SARAH ABERANT wrote: >god i miss bianca's smut shack! http://www.bianca.com/ -- matt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 15:36:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA21072; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA21056; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scv3a.apple.com (web.apple.com [17.128.100.121]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13818 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:35:01 -0700 Received: from quickmail.apple.com (in.eqm.apple.com [17.130.8.36]) by scv3a.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10932 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:37:14 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 1996 15:35:53 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: My Burning Man Experience To: "sfr" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 FC1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There has been alot of talk on this list recently about what Burning Man means, and what purpose it serves. This was my first Burning Man experience. Every year for the past 4 years (or so) I've been saying to myself that I wanted to go, but for some reason or another, I was never able to make it up there. I've done alot of reading about the event in the past couple of years to try to understand what Burning Man is. Some people have said its very spiritual, others have said its an excuse to party in the desert for five days. But none of what I've read or heard about Burning Man could have prepared me for what I experienced this past weekend. We arrived to playa early Friday morning. The sun was just rising over the mountains to the east that looked more like ant hills in comparison to the expanse of the playa. We pulled to the side of the road, sat on top of my car, smoked a bowl, and took in the beautiful site of another day beginning in the desert. The check in point to Burning Man was a few miles down the road. We were instructed to drive north on the playa for 12 miles, then turn right. When you drive in a city, it is very easy to find your destination. When you are given directions to a location, they usually go something like this: Take 101 south to 85 North........etc.... On the playa, the directions go something like this: Go that way for a long time until you see the blue flashing light...... There are no lines, no landmarks to show your way, just a general direction to travel, for ever. We found our RV crew almost immediately, set up camp, and started looking for shade. It gets really hot out there. But after a while, you are not concerned with how hot it is, but rather finding shade, and drinking water. Time becomes irrelevant. The days are spent sitting, not moving, trying to stay cool. The heat drains all your energy. The desert drains all your water. Your skin becomes very dry. The hours drag by as you watch the sun slowly move to the west, waiting for it to drop behind the ant hills. As evening approaches, people start emerging from their tents and shade structures, the lucky ones have air conditioned RV's. The night brings a steady stream of bottle rockets exploding in the air. The stars fill the sky from horizon to horizon. Then the Moon raises over the ant hills to a roar of cheers and applause from Black Rock City residents. Night life at BM is crazy. Every direction you look, there is something happening. Most of it just does not make sense. We came to the conclusion that any type of small motorized transportation is the way to travel around camp. I brought my bike, somehow go a flat tire out there. But peddling around in the desert heat takes alot of energy. I think next year I'll rent a little go-cart. The coolest transpiration I saw out there was a motorized couch. Talk about traveling in comfort! Rave Camp was basically a big Rave in the desert. I went out there a few times, but there was just not much going on. I didn't go to Burning Man to attend a Rave, I can do that any time. Main Camp was much more interesting. So now I have finally experienced Burning Man. And I'm trying to figure out what it means to me. Maybe it will take a few more days, weeks, years, to fully understand what I experienced. It was about survival, it was about finding shade, it was about being with friends, it was about meeting new people, it was about watching a 5 story wooden figure being burnt to the ground, it was about helping others around you, it was about being helped by others around you, it was about really appreciating a shower. The most amusing conversation I had was with this women while waiting in line to use the "Sani-Hut" on Monday Morning. The line was approximately 15 people deep. And moving very slowly. Somebody decided to check some of the "Huts" for occupancy and found that only 3 were being used. So I mentioned to this lady that there should be some sort of flashing light showing occupancy on top of the "Sani-Hut" as the 'Occupied' switches were not working. She said that would be a great idea, if we can have motorized lamps driving around camp, we could surely have flashing occupied beacons on top of each "Sani-Hut". But we decided that in the Burnging Man spirit, Flashing occupancy lights are needed, a roving lamp on wheels is not, and somehow that made sense. /-M-\ !E.A.C! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 15:45:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA21875; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA21860; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA26678 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:45:35 -0700 Received: from hera.synopsys.com (hera.synopsys.com [146.225.100.23]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA17857; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:45:26 -0700 Received: from [146.225.54.11] (mac-54-11.synopsys.com [146.225.54.11]) by hera.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06835; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:45:22 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:46:21 -0700 To: Erase From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: house party :) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >heh. you should have seen ethan's face when he was setting up the sound >system in the living room - he was grinning like a madman. =) > >thanks to ethan for providing the space for a kick-ass party. >-brendan- It was a look of pride, disbelief, and wonder, all rolled into one on da man's face :) It was fun to help set up (rolling cabs UP stairs!), and the party rocked! It was very cozy, being in a home, and never too hot. Hard to tell how many people were there, but we had a great turnout, and sound quality was excellent! Peace, Eric From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 15:50:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA22313; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA22305; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16904; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:48:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: the harmony misfortune To: Happy Ravers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk so who was heading up to reno tomorrow, i'd like to send a message to one of my friends so please get back to me - thanks. love*energy, tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 15:59:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA23223; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA23204; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:58:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA04734; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:38:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from scv3a.apple.com (web.apple.com [17.128.100.121]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25484 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:37:13 -0700 X-Received: from qmgate.apple.com (in-out.qmgate.apple.com [17.130.8.42]) by scv3a.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15996 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:39:27 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 1996 12:31:46 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: My Burning Man Experience To: "sfr" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 FC1 ReSent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:58:51 -0700 (PDT) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There has been alot of talk on this list recently about what Burning Man means, and what purpose it serves. This was my first Burning Man experience. Every year for the past 4 years (or so) I've been saying to myself that I wanted to go, but for some reason or another, I was never able to make it up there. I've done alot of reading about the event in the past couple of years to try to understand what Burning Man is. Some people have said its very spiritual, others have said its an excuse to party in the desert for five days. But none of what I've read or heard about Burning Man could have prepared me for what I experienced this past weekend. We arrived to playa early Friday morning. The sun was just rising over the mountains to the east that looked more like ant hills in comparison to the expanse of the playa. We pulled to the side of the road, sat on top of my car, smoked a bowl, and took in the beautiful site of another day beginning in the desert. The check in point to Burning Man was a few miles down the road. We were instructed to drive north on the playa for 12 miles, then turn right. When you drive in a city, it is very easy to find your destination. When you are given directions to a location, they usually go something like this: Take 101 south to 85 North........etc.... On the playa, the directions go something like this: Go that way for a long time until you see the blue flashing light...... There are no lines, no landmarks to show your way, just a general direction to travel, for ever. We found our RV crew almost immediately, set up camp, and started looking for shade. It gets really hot out there. But after a while, you are not concerned with how hot it is, but rather finding shade, and drinking water. Time becomes irrelevant. The days are spent sitting, not moving, trying to stay cool. The heat drains all your energy. The desert drains all your water. Your skin becomes very dry. The hours drag by as you watch the sun slowly move to the west, waiting for it to drop behind the ant hills. As evening approaches, people start emerging from their tents and shade structures, the lucky ones have air conditioned RV's. The night brings a steady stream of bottle rockets exploding in the air. The stars fill the sky from horizon to horizon. Then the Moon raises over the ant hills to a roar of cheers and applause from Black Rock City residents. Night life at BM is crazy. Every direction you look, there is something happening. Most of it just does not make sense. We came to the conclusion that any type of small motorized transportation is the way to travel around camp. I brought my bike, somehow go a flat tire out there. But peddling around in the desert heat takes alot of energy. I think next year I'll rent a little go-cart. The coolest transpiration I saw out there was a motorized couch. Talk about traveling in comfort! Rave Camp was basically a big Rave in the desert. I went out there a few times, but there was just not much going on. I didn't go to Burning Man to attend a Rave, I can do that any time. Main Camp was much more interesting. So now I have finally experienced Burning Man. And I'm trying to figure out what it means to me. Maybe it will take a few more days, weeks, years, to fully understand what I experienced. It was about survival, it was about finding shade, it was about being with friends, it was about meeting new people, it was about watching a 5 story wooden figure being burnt to the ground, it was about helping others around you, it was about being helped by others around you, it was about really appreciating a shower. The most amusing conversation I had was with this women while waiting in line to use the "Sani-Hut" on Monday Morning. The line was approximately 15 people deep. And moving very slowly. Somebody decided to check some of the "Huts" for occupancy and found that only 3 were being used. So I mentioned to this lady that there should be some sort of flashing light showing occupancy on top of the "Sani-Hut" as the 'Occupied' switches were not working. She said that would be a great idea, if we can have motorized lamps driving around camp, we could surely have flashing occupied beacons on top of each "Sani-Hut". But we decided that in the Burnging Man spirit, Flashing occupancy lights are needed, a roving lamp on wheels is not, and somehow that made sense. /-M-\ !E.A.C! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 16:10:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA24784; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA24775; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA02333; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:10:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:10:48 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609032310.QAA02333@netcom21.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [written last night, and long. YHBW] Just walked in the door an hour ago or so... as usual, I only got a big pile of bills; no love letters or Long's coupon books. oh well, I'm sleepless and still in awe of Burning Man, so I thought I'd share my experience with everyone. After many false starts, last minute planning, and oodles of procrastination, we finally made our 7pm departure at 3:30am (okay, that's a *little* late), but it was all good because we knew we'd be getting there no matter what. We were happy and on our way :) Arrived around 11am on Thursday, and we were greeted by a fairly empty and fairly tame gathering. But it was nice to be able to set up camp without all the confusion. Anyway, here's a breakdown of the events in the form of a handy reference sheet. If you went to Burning Man to go to a big rave, then you missed the fun (and probably could have saved $17 by going to MegaBuzz 1, a much bigger and more convenient rave). Well, regardless of what you were there for (or if you were even there), here's what I saw and how I saw it: VW Camp Imagine a camp full of computer geeks and ravers (mostly SFR'ers). Well, that was VW. This camp was the place to be! What started off as a small gathering of three RV's turned into a total community of tents, cars, tarps, and other forms of shelter. A sound system was set up, and DJ Tom threw down some killer sets as we laid beneath the tarp, cursing the heat and sipping our water bottles. I was so happy to meet up with friends and meet new ones. VW became the kind of place where you could borrow a cup of sugar from the neighbors, etc. Irrational Geographic A superset of VW, IG encompassed the broader crowd of computer geeks, like folks from Organic, Bianca's Smut Shack, folks from mtn-raves, and the cool people with the chips and guac. Bianca's was a totally cool hangout with phunky sofas for conversation and X rated comix to break the monotony of life... The mnt-raves crew hosted the toast breakfast on Saturday morning. That is, until their generator blew a fuse. But bread was fine, anyway, and gave us a chance to wax philosophic about toast ("toast is bread; bread is life; therefore toast is life" - okay, guess you had to be there). IG housed a couple of sound systems (including the one at VW), and even sported a live ambient act (this was tres cool!!!). But no trip to IG was complete without becoming captive to the electronic moaning pyramid. Bio-Jeff's camp area This kicked ass! There were some killer tunes being spun at this camp. This actually felt like a full on party; the dance area was somewhat small (after all, it was someone's camp site), but it was room enough for the friends and wanderers to shake it to some progressive house and trance. the Chai tea hut The best part of this trip had to have been the Chai tea hut. First of all, the people who put this on are really special people, and they did their best to make this a really special place to hang out. The camp was an pit stop on the way to rave camp, or perhaps a place to chill after partying all night, or maybe a place to relax and enjoy a stimulating beverage. To some, it was the ultimate chill room. To others, it was a place to enjoy a spiritually soothing tea. In short, the Chai tea room rocked. Random DJ's would come in and out and spin their finest. The music tended to be more chill, but I did get to hear a couple of rilly hot jungle sets [and oh does Steve loooove jungle :)]. The energy of the room was split; part of the room swayed on a dance area in front the DJ; another part was engaged in captivating conversation, while enjoying a cup of tea. Yet another part participated in the hustle and bustle of standing in line and being served. Yet despite this, there was a consistent vibe in the room, and for some reason I was compelled to spend large amounts of time there. Finally, cheers to the people for making it free. The $1 donation was just that; a donation. I felt happy to give them my money, and felt even more happy to know that I had a choice in the matter. the Sister's of Perpetual Indulgence, inc. The beautiful and oh-so-glamorous drag queens that blessed my nipples at the Gay Pride Parade were at BM in full force, conveniently located near the Chai hut. Although my nipples have long since lost their magical powers, I was still happy to see the Sisters and get some wonderful photos. the Main Stage Most of the bad music at Burning Man was blared from the main stage. It was here that I was subjected to annoying folk groups, bar style rock-n-roll, and other atrocities. Occasionally, some cool music did go down at the main stage, but it was few and far between. For the most part, a trip to the main stage made me feel like I had accidently stepped into Lolapalooza. The Man No, not the Burning Man, the Man. You know, THE Man. Anyway, I was quite dismayed to find out that someone was actually busted for smoking pot. Especially dismayed considering that a terrible accident happened on the playa involving a stupid idiot who did not belong behind a wheel. There were other idiots, too, which brings me to my point: Shouldn't they be more worried about protecting people from getting killed in the desert? I'm not saying to have traffic laws on the playa, but prehaps something (?). Drum Circles All I can say is that I'm bringing a drum next year. Very tribal, very cool. Rave Camp The first thing that comes to mind when I think of Rave Camp is inconvenience. Having bikes helped quite a bit, but the ride at night was a bit frightening at worst, yet creepy and cool at best. I think I might have been equally as happy for there to have been no rave camp, or perhaps to have one or two sound systems on the outskirts of the main camp. I more enjoyed the small gatherings around a DJ's tent than anything else. But some things stood out: CCC The CCC parties truly kicked ass: non-stop goa and a really good crowd. Friday night was especially good; KoxBox put on a powerful performance. I think there's something really intense about seeing live techno; somehow feel more of a connection with the music. Anyway, this party was still raging in full force when I left at 8am. Was anyone else there? This night landed in Steve's top 10 Coolest Party list (yet another underground list). Gateway Gateway's setup was very cool. The camp was surrounded by all of the speaker systems (theater in the round, if you will), with this "structure" in the center. The tall structure housed the DJ, lasers, lights, and "cool stuff" (sorry, had to be there). No complaints about the music of course (always love a good Gateway night). The vibe was little mixed; seemed to be that there were more rave tourists at Gateway than CCC. Maybe just my warped imagination, but I was having trouble connecting with the people there. The supply shop on the way was a cute idea, where one could buy glow stix and BlowPops(tm). Wicked Not my thing at all. I'm not a big fan of house (I have been known to enjoy some prog house on occasion, though), and there seemed to be enough of the wailing diva thing to drive me away. I stopped by to check out the visuals, which were not bad. I was more impressed visually by Gateway's setup and CCC's cool Eastern inspired artwork. But it seemed that Wicked went off; everyone there had a great time. Again, I think it just wasn't my thing. Spaz Where was this? I heard all sorts of rumors ranging from their generator crapped out, their stuff never showed up, and other things like oh yeah, they're on tonight. Rumor also had it that they were spinning some jungle. So what's the real scoop on Spaz? the Logistics arg! Rave camp was just too damn far; it's a terrible accident just waiting to happen [oh wait. it *did* happen :(]. Most people don't have cars, so you're forced to either walk (too far and dangerous) or hitch a ride (flakey at best). I felt safe biking there, but it was still rather sketchy. I got a ride one night, but getting a ride back never worked well. We were trapped in the freezing cold of the playa, wandering around dehydrated, hoping someone would pick us up (someone did eventually). Camping at rave camp also seemed like a bad idea. Being trapped two miles away from all of the energy of Burning Man... Someone has got to think this out better for next year or just not have it. There were enough music acts and DJ's wandering about main camp to keep one entertained, anyway. All in all, rave camp was pretty cool with a fair amount of faults. We'll see what happens next year. The Man (the other one) The actually burning ceremony was very intense. I managed to get on top of someone's truck to get a good view (short people don't fare well in large crowds) and snap some yummy photos. It started with an erie pagan procession (in fact, the whole of BM was very pagan) of fire and drums. The Man finally exploded with an array of fireworks and explosives, until it finally burned itself to death. The burning ceremony left me with an unreal feeling of having been cleansed; it felt as if all of the baggage from the past year had burned down with man. I left the ceremony with somewhat of a high, a rush, and a new lease on life. But the feeling was somewhat like New Year's day. You come home after bringing in the new year and throwing out the old. Life is fresh again. Then you see that pile of bills on the kitchen table. It's the same year. The baggage is back, and you're still paying for it. Oh well, it was still a good time anyway :) Naked People They were there, and they were muddy. Would you expect anything else? Other Stuff Burning Man was a feast for the eyes with colorful people wandering around and creative types showing you their best. There was always something to do 24-7, although the daytime tended to slow down. Too hot, and many were sleeping. I can't even possibly describe (or remember) everything that happened... Fortunately, I took a good 5 or 6 rolls of film to help jog my memory. I'm glad to be home. Life on the playa is very harsh (have the bloody nose and dusty lungs to prove it), and it's nice to be able to run to Safeway and take a shower again. This won't stop me from going next year, though. Much of my time was spent thinking of things to do and bring and all sorts of different ways I can contribute to the celebration. I'm already getting excited about BM'97! Just call me impatient :) Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Burning Man '96 survivor - it's not just a rave, it's an adventure | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 16:50:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA27815; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA27808; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:50:02 -0700 (PDT) From: enigma@best.com Received: from enigma (enigma.vip.best.com [206.86.223.130]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA16551; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:47:42 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:47:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199609032347.QAA16551@dns1.noc.best.net> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 16:52:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA28036; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acergw3.acer.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA28027; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtplink.acer.com ([204.160.139.137]) by acergw3.acer.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24452; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.acer.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA841794924; Tue, 03 Sep 96 16:45:37 pst Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 16:45:37 pst From: "Andy Wyszkowski" Message-Id: <9608038417.AA841794924@smtplink.acer.com> To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re[2]: Back From BM, I'm luckly To Be .... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I know I've never met you, but I have to get this off my chest... I've decided to post this publicly because we seem to value positivity, maintaining a degree of community, and the occasional difference of opinion. I just want to share my opposing viewpoint. I'm going to give Bryan the benefit here and read his words at face value. It's actually a pretty good summation of what must have been a pretty turbulent time. Maybe you could have asked him what he meant personally... This is a pretty shitty time to be negative and cynical. Some people got hurt at no fault of their own, and your message read (IMO) like an "I told you so" to those who were 'foolish' enough to drive out to BM. I think the best thing we can do is hope the loss is minimal, emotionally, physically, and spiritually. I don't know too much about what happened, but I can imagine regardless of the outcome a lot of things will change for those injured, and those close to them. This is the time when human strength is tested, and I hope we can all work together in doing anything we can to help. Maybe we've gotten spoiled on having our hand held by the false sense of security enforcement through fear of punishment we have exercised since the dawn of civilization. Maybe responsibility cannot be enforced, regardless of law. Maybe a lot of things could have happened differently regarding this and maybe there's some force that determines a degree of predestination. I don't know. Do you? I just don't think a spirit of freedom or anarchy or anything hurt those people. What hurt those people was a confused / fucked up / scary individual who decided his/her right to drive was more important than other's right to safety. That choice MAY have been biased by more law enforcement, or stiffer penalties, or concrete bunkers, or even another beer but the responsibility has to go back to the individual What would we be like if we couldn't blame 'society' for anything? AndyW ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Dear All; > > Back from BM, and am VERY thankful I'm still alive, that's all I > have to say, sorry. > > Peace > Brian > > Funny not funny (depends upon interpretation), As I took my girlfirend to school this morning I looked around and saw all of the dusty cars/trucks/transports from BM oparked all over the Haight. This year, I looked at those people as survivors moreso than partygoers. I guess chaos ain't all it's cracked up to be. The events of this past weekend re-affirm the need for laws, sorry to say. With that, I'm out. Sorry to hear about Bro. Andrew, I'll talk to him when homey gets home. My prayers and good wishes to the others who were injured. If I hear one pollyanna remark about this years BM I'll know we are truly in hell. I know I won't be disappointed.... :< Out, John P.S. NExt year BM for me? I seriously doubt it. The way this years BM was leed & hyped, it , IMO, was the height of irresponsibility. 15,000 crackerjacks with no order, no law? No thanks. I think it's time for this thing to implode. out 1 more time. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 16:53:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA28152; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA28138; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA12505 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:53:05 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960903235259.008bcbd4@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 16:52:59 -0700 To: SFRaves From: "THX1138" Subject: Looking For Just The Right Place/Person Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; I've officially started looking for a place out in the burbs, or in a very low crime area in SF. I'm on a month to month lease so I have plenty of time to find the right situation/person/place. I'm looking for accountable/responsible/financially responsible person who likes and appreciates cats & a non-smoking, noisey, PRIVATE, cancer; who keeps very odd & unusual rotating hours. The most important things in my search for a possible house mate are communication, responsibility, good sense of humor, sense of give & take, consideration, and most of all a concerted effort not to turn our home into a hostel or party house(privacy). My max. for the use of 1 extremely large bedroom or 2 bedrooms in a multi-bedroom apartment or house, in SF is, 800 - 900/month including utilities. Call 800-590-4993 and leave a message or respond via e-mail. Peace Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 16:54:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA28238; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA28232; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.97.35.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:02:05 -0700 X-Sender: ambient@netcom13.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199609032310.QAA02333@netcom21.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:55:00 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Joe Rice Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Spaz > >Where was this? I heard all sorts of rumors ranging from their >generator crapped out, their stuff never showed up, and other things >like oh yeah, they're on tonight. Rumor also had it that they were >spinning some jungle. So what's the real scoop on Spaz? > Having camped roughly between Gateway and Spaz I can say they were definitely there and playing music much of the time, from hard acid to jungle to dub to ambient to hip-hop. I heard they played straight up rock on Friday before we got there. They were evidently using Dave Bayer's sound system. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 17:05:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA29306; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA29301; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA02539; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:10:35 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609031710.ZM2537@tempest.organic.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:10:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) "The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man" (Sep 3, 4:10pm) References: <199609032310.QAA02333@netcom21.netcom.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sep 3, 4:10pm, Steve Simitzis wrote: > > IG housed a couple of sound systems (including the one at VW), and > even sported a live ambient act (this was tres cool!!!). But no trip > to IG was complete without becoming captive to the electronic moaning > pyramid. glad you liked it! the live act was weird blinking lights. the system was the wbl sound system, and the pyramid was the wbl alien repeller. > The Man > > No, not the Burning Man, the Man. You know, THE Man. Anyway, I was > quite dismayed to find out that someone was actually busted for > smoking pot. to my knowledge, the gyu was not smoking pot. they guy was in the center of camp, with a bong, a huge amount of pot, and a ton of shrooms. give me a break. the sheriffs there were doing us a service. this guy was being dumb with his actions and the cops had no choice, they happened to be *right* there. they are super lenient (this is NEVADA, remember?) with bman but had no choice in this case. not only that, but they took him in on *possession*, which again is just hugely lenient, considering what he had could have put him away for at least a few years, even in california. if this is the same arrest you are thinking of, then i am happy to provide you with this information so you can make a more informed judgement about the police prsence there. cops suck until you are ketting your ass kicked to shit in some alley someplace, remember that. > Especially dismayed considering that a terrible accident > happened on the playa involving a stupid idiot who did not belong > behind a wheel. There were other idiots, too, which brings me to my > point: > > Shouldn't they be more worried about protecting people from getting > killed in the desert? I'm not saying to have traffic laws on the > playa, but prehaps something (?). what? do you see how ludicrous this is? what would have prevented that accident? alcohol regulation? sobriety checkpoints on the playa? do you hear what you are saying? 20/20 hindsight is easy. there is nothing that could have been done, probably, in this case, by the police, or by just about anyone i assume. i dunno if they were camping in the middle of nowhere with no lights or not though. no details available. > the Logistics > > arg! Rave camp was just too damn far; it's a terrible accident just > waiting to happen [oh wait. it *did* happen :(]. Most people don't > have cars, so you're forced to either walk (too far and dangerous) or > hitch a ride (flakey at best). I felt safe biking there, but it was > still rather sketchy. I got a ride one night, but getting a ride back > never worked well. We were trapped in the freezing cold of the playa, > wandering around dehydrated, hoping someone would pick us up (someone > did eventually). > > Camping at rave camp also seemed like a bad idea. Being trapped two > miles away from all of the energy of Burning Man... Someone has got to > think this out better for next year or just not have it. There were > enough music acts and DJ's wandering about main camp to keep one > entertained, anyway. basically, i diddn't go there for a rave. raves are super new to bman. and they by their nature are loud. on the playa you respect each other, and many people don't want beats all night long, pure and simple. i know i diddn't, i wanted four hours or so a night of quiet(er). anyway, most people don't go there for a rave - but are psyched that they are there to go to anyway. -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 17:21:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA01052; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA01042; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id RAA28216; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:21:07 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199609032310.QAA02333@netcom21.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:21:03 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: The Cliff Notes to Burning Man Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 4:10 PM -0700 9/03/96, Steve Simitzis wrote: >After many false starts, last minute planning, and oodles of >procrastination, we finally made our 7pm departure at 3:30am (okay, Yes, our group made a first minute decision to leave Wednesday night instead of Thursday morning, but didn't get rolling until about 2am (what with all the head shaving going on. ;^), and then clusterfucked at every stop. >VW Camp > >Imagine a camp full of computer geeks and ravers (mostly >SFR'ers). Well, that was VW. This camp was the place to be! What Oh, I don't know about that. Behind the Chai tent didn't suck, believe me. ;^) Free Chai, got a chance to work with the Chai Guys (Taylor and Nate), and hear their most excellent music the whole time. We arrived Thursday noonsih and had some trouble deciding where to camp at the rave camp. After a while we decided to curb the debate and just look around. The minute five of us got to main camp we knew we needed to stay there. Then, in a flash of fortune, my friend Saun ran into other friends (Logan and Lisa) who had helped the Chai guys set-up their excellent site. They invited us to camp behind them, in a spacious area, and we jumped at the opportunity, not knowing just how cool a spot it was. Mornings they played very interesting mellow music. Some very, very interesting sleeping music; during the day they would put in tapes or spin; at night they would play very cool Jungle. DJ Flux spun as did some dude named Charles. I spun my first set!! Yup, and boy was it fun. Unfortunately, the only regret I have this year is that I didn't bring *my* records, but I spun Taylor's wide-ranging records and managed to get people smiling. I think my tape of The Girl From Ipanima, at around noon on Saturday was the hightlight. Some how the music fit perfectly with the ambiance. Unfortunately one turntable went nuts during a Pink Floyd tune and it sounded like the Chipmunk version, so I had to play a tape and then a record, and so on... Anyay the vibe was always kicking in there. The set-up was fantastic, and since it was fully enclosed a great escape from all going on around us. An oasis of sorts, and protected well from dust storms. It's now a pile of ash, since they burnt it yesterday. > >Bio-Jeff's camp area Always a fun group. =) They didn't get naked enough though! >the Chai tea hut > >The best part of this trip had to have been the Chai tea hut. First of Ah, yes! >in the hustle and bustle of standing in line and being served. Yet despite >this, there was a consistent vibe in the room, and for some reason I >was compelled to spend large amounts of time there. Me too. We were the ones set-up out back of that, with camo netting. It was nice to be able to grab a beer and chill in their. And did I mention free Chai!? (Oh, I guess I did...) At one point I filled a pot of water for nate and put it on the stove, came in the tent and told him. He behaved as if I had helped him create something terribly special. He said, "Oh, yes, thank you sooo much. And in a half hour we have chai. That's how you do chai...." Chai to them is more of a meditation, or energy if you will, than a smooth, spicy elixir. > >Finally, cheers to the people for making it free. The $1 donation was >just that; a donation. I felt happy to give them my money, and felt >even more happy to know that I had a choice in the matter. They sell their Chai from Santa Cruz, I'll post the address when I bring their card to work. It truly is fantastic chai tea. >No, not the Burning Man, the Man. You know, THE Man. Anyway, I was >quite dismayed to find out that someone was actually busted for >smoking pot. Especially dismayed considering that a terrible accident There were a couple drug enforcement officers there, and so it was a bad idea to leave your bong laying out... >Shouldn't they be more worried about protecting people from getting >killed in the desert? I'm not saying to have traffic laws on the >playa, but prehaps something (?). I think a shuttle system would work perfectly, and not let people drive back and forth. > >Drum Circles > >All I can say is that I'm bringing a drum next year. Very tribal, very >cool. However it truly was pale in comparison to last year. In fact the whole "tribal feel", and participation level was minimal comparied to last year. There were far too many spectators, I feel.. >Spaz > >Where was this? I heard all sorts of rumors ranging from their >generator crapped out, their stuff never showed up, and other things >like oh yeah, they're on tonight. Rumor also had it that they were >spinning some jungle. So what's the real scoop on Spaz? They were set-up just south of Gateway. (On the circle, they were to the south west.) It was a fairly small set-up, and while the music always sounded good, there was never really a crowd there. They had few banners or other devices to draw attention to them, maybe intentionally? >Camping at rave camp also seemed like a bad idea. Being trapped two >miles away from all of the energy of Burning Man... Someone has got to Some people prefer that... >think this out better for next year or just not have it. There were >We'll see what happens next year. Well, from the sound of it, it doesn't look promising that there will be another one, or I imagine another one of that magnitude. >The actually burning ceremony was very intense. I managed to get on Again, there were so many people, I felt that unless you were really intent on being in front, it was impossible to feel anything beyond too intense. To put it into my perspective, last year once the man fell, there were about 15 drumming circles and lots of people jumping over various fires. The Man was also closer to the sound systems, so thay had wild, crazy noise coming from all directions and peopel were beating ruthlessly on anything that made noise. It was much easier to get close to the burn, and people were leaping over teh bruning man in all directions. This year there was just a big crowd. We split pretty soon after the fall because we couldn't get close to anything, and certainly couldn't see shit. >The burning ceremony left me with an unreal feeling of having been >cleansed; it felt as if all of the baggage from the past year had >burned down with man. I left the ceremony with somewhat of a high, a >rush, and a new lease on life. I'm glad it left someone with those feelings, for I didn't get any of that. I just got smoke from burning hay, and a big ass crowd which freaked my friend out. >Burning Man was a feast for the eyes with colorful people wandering >around and creative types showing you their best. There was always Yes, it was, and that is truly amazing. =) >celebration. I'm already getting excited about BM'97! Just call me >impatient :) Hmmm...Interesting to see what the final analysis is from the Burning Man organizers. Catch you on the flip side.... Tone From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 17:34:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA01960; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA01953; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id RAA28458; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:33:59 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9609031710.ZM2537@tempest.organic.com> References: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) "The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man" (Sep 3, 4:10pm) <199609032310.QAA02333@netcom21.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:33:55 -0800 To: "Rocky Mullin" , simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man - More Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 5:10 PM -0700 9/03/96, Rocky Mullin wrote: >> Shouldn't they be more worried about protecting people from getting >> killed in the desert? I'm not saying to have traffic laws on the >> playa, but prehaps something (?). > > what? do you see how ludicrous this is? what would have > prevented that accident? alcohol regulation? sobriety > checkpoints on the playa? do you hear what you are saying? > 20/20 hindsight is easy. there is nothing that could have > been done, probably, in this case, by the police, or by just > about anyone i assume. i dunno if they were camping in the > middle of nowhere with no lights or not though. no details > available. Two things: One, it was 8am (daylight) and they were not in the middle of nowhere, they were tucked into the area around Gateway. I gave one of them a ride 12 hours prior, and they were nestled in among other tents and cars. The person barreled right into the center of a god damn camping area. It could have been any tent around there, and why it was the one that it was is not a question worth pondering. Two, at this point, I don't believe we know what the individual was on. The assumption is it was alcohol, but that hasn't been released yet. It was 8am, and the person was heading to the rave camp, who knows what he was doing. Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 17:42:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA02598; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA02592; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (crl7.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA19348 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:40:35 -0700 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: Erase , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Everyone please... Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 00:44:24 GMT Message-Id: <322ccf97.77392955@mail.crl.com> References: <3.0b11.32.19960902181319.00a33df0@pop.sirius.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0b11.32.19960902181319.00a33df0@pop.sirius.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The only person who could have prevented it was the driver. All the responsiblity lies with him. I assume that he took his driver's test and knew he shouldn't have done what he did. The victims were in the midst of the camp. We took care to park to minimize the risk of a car hitting our tent, but if he had veered a few feet to the left I would be writing this from the hospital. I was worried about the possiblity; in the future I think it should be necessary to "circle the wagons" to protect the tents. Some camps were set up like this and it was much more safe and cozy. David On Mon, 02 Sep 1996 18:13:22 -0700, you wrote: >well I, for one, am feeling pretty sick to my stomach now. i hate the >feeling where i wish i could have done something to prevent it from >happening... even if i wasn't there.. to prevent something so utterly >stupid.. it is so sick that the negative consequences of one person's >actions can be felt by so many. >there is so much more i want to write but find myself choking back tears. > >my heart is bursting for those in the hospital. love and energy to them... >-brendan- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ I want a world where my biggest trouble is getting sand on my Blo-pop. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 17:44:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA02784; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA02776; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA02665; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:49:18 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609031749.ZM2663@tempest.organic.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:49:17 -0700 In-Reply-To: Tony Rotundo "Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man - More" (Sep 3, 5:33pm) References: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) "The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man" (Sep 3 4:10pm) <199609032310.QAA02333@netcom21.netcom.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Tony Rotundo , "Rocky Mullin" , simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man - More Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sep 3, 5:33pm, Tony Rotundo wrote: > > Two things: > > One, it was 8am (daylight) and they were not in the middle of nowhere, they > were tucked into the area around Gateway. I gave one of them a ride 12 > hours prior, and they were nestled in among other tents and cars. The > person barreled right into the center of a god damn camping area. It could > have been any tent around there, and why it was the one that it was is not > a question worth pondering. > > Two, at this point, I don't believe we know what the individual was on. The > assumption is it was alcohol, but that hasn't been released yet. It was > 8am, and the person was heading to the rave camp, who knows what he was > doing. basically, playa stupidity, that's how folx get hurt. the most reasonable way that could have been prevented is for the driver to have not been drunk or not drive - assuming s/he was on booze. whatever. no use speculating, it is too tragic. -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 17:45:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA02842; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA02833; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enigma (enigma.vip.best.com [206.86.223.130]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA03204 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:45:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199609040045.RAA03204@dns2.noc.best.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "George Feil" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:47:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: post BM: it continues! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, it looks as if I didn't finish letting go of everything in my life that was old, unsatisfying, and decaying when I left BM. I came back to the real world to be rudely awakened: I was laid off from my job!!! Although the shock of being rudely dismissed, with no warning or severance, is still reverberating from my spine, this isn't all bad news. The company is a royal mess. The project I was hired to participate in (redesigning and rewriting all their software for their primary application, a task that is sorely needed) has been delayed indefinitely because the company is currently for sale. The practices they have used to administer systems, write software, and do custom installations, is more screwed up than at any company I have ever worked for. This was hard to imagine, given how fucked up things were at my previous employer, whom I resigned from voluntarily. So, anyway, I'm back on the job hunt once again, with the possibility of finding a super position that will finally give me the opportunity to be paid for my creativity and intuitiveness. I was going to post my own review of BM, but others here summed it up pretty well. I had a blast -- it was my very first BM -- and am eager to attend next year, should it happen. In fact, Jamie and I have this ambition to create an awesome chill space with great chill out ambient for the rave camp -- something that was really missing this year. [The one big chill space in the rave camp was very attractive, and seemed comfortable, but the music was so awful, it drove everyone away, and it sat largely empty.] Anyway, please send me lots of warm, fuzzy vibes my way. I'll keep working on building up my own. Attempting to focus on the positive, ----- / \ E. Nygma | O | enigma@best.com \ / watch this space for URL ----- | -+- / | \ ^ / \ | | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 17:53:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA03904; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA03895; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA15048 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:53:49 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960904005344.008cc184@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 17:53:44 -0700 To: SFRaves From: "THX1138" Subject: A Few Good Thing About BM Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; I will share three, of the few, good things that happened at BM. First, the Black H### from India I got was the shit. Second, I got to drive naked on the Playa; and even picked up a few hitch hikers while doing so (It was unexpected & they were totally cool about it/desperate for a ride to the rave camp). Third & finally the energy around the man when it Burned. I was working security trying to keep 50k people out of the fire once the Man fell. I was standing in between the people, and the man; wearing my silver reflective jacket, tan ranger safari hat, black vinyl pants(opps 4 of the good things, I wore vinyl in the desert; just because), and my black rubber boots with the reflective strip up the back, holding a very powerful flashlight. When the man fell, and the crowd rushed I initially felt afraid(no other rangers around, just me), but comfort soon overcame me as I saw that I wasn't going to get pushed into the fire, and just danced around it for a little while and left. I had a first hand inside look at the level of dis-organization present with the organizers of BM, and I won't be back. If you honestly want to hear about it write me and I will happily tell you, but it's not going public. To sum it all up between the hassle, the speeding ticket I got, purchasing(ticket, rental car with the inside lights stuck on, loud as a Harley Davison in heat rental generator, caring about & working an event no one seemed to cared about, special food, extra water, equipment, stuff, $$$, ...etc), 4 x un/packing, 4 x un/loading (3 stories to the car), 3 x setting up, moving while I was there, the dust, the dust, the dust, repacking, reloading, the dis-organization, the loss of life, the un-necessary injury of innocent people, & finally; but I could go on; the f###in dust; it wasn't worth it; FOR ME. I honestly wished I had gone to Florida, stayed in a nice Hotel with room-service, ate out, saw Sasha, saw loved & missed friends, and partied with DJ Mark, & DJ Scott amongst others; now that's my idea of a vacation. Peace Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 17:58:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA04181; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA04170; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (simitzis@netcom3.netcom.com [192.100.81.103]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA27700 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id RAA04809; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:48:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:48:45 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609040048.RAA04809@netcom3.netcom.com> To: caliban@organic.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: <9609031710.ZM2537@tempest.organic.com> (caliban@organic.com) Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > From: "Rocky Mullin" > Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:10:35 -0700 > [snip] > > > not only that, but they took him in on *possession*, which again > is just hugely lenient, considering what he had could have put > him away for at least a few years, even in california. > > if this is the same arrest you are thinking of, then i am happy > to provide you with this information so you can make a more informed > judgement about the police prsence there. cops suck until you > are ketting your ass kicked to shit in some alley someplace, > remember that. Having been the victim of crime enough times (won't go into details; some of you know the folklore) where the police have been nowhere to be found, I will admit that my tendency is to be anti-police. Thanks for the additional information, though. I also have to admit, though, that I was under the impression that they weren't there to police anyone's lifestyle. Of course they have to do their job, but I can't help but be disturbed by it. > > > > Shouldn't they be more worried about protecting people from getting > > killed in the desert? I'm not saying to have traffic laws on the > > playa, but prehaps something (?). > > what? do you see how ludicrous this is? what would have > prevented that accident? alcohol regulation? sobriety > checkpoints on the playa? do you hear what you are saying? Actually, I do hear what I'm saying: > > I'm not saying to have traffic laws on the playa, but prehaps something (?) Someone else on the list suggested a shuttle system. This is a great idea! A lot of people had problems getting to rave camp and were equally dismayed about the safety factor. I'm surprised there weren't more such accidents. Maybe if we get enough suggestions together, we can help the BM and rave camp organizers make a safer and cooler event for next year. I'm not talking about a crime/punishment system. Just some more practical ideas. Thoughts? > > > the Logistics > > basically, i diddn't go there for a rave. raves are super new > to bman. and they by their nature are loud. on the playa you > respect each other, and many people don't want beats all night > long, pure and simple. i know i diddn't, i wanted four hours > or so a night of quiet(er). anyway, most people don't go there > for a rave - but are psyched that they are there to go to anyway. > What sort of transportation did you have? If you had something motorized, then you were one of lucky ones (best of both worlds). But for others, where we camped largely determined our BM experience. Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 17:58:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA04218; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA04210; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aoaioxxysz.organic.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA03585 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609040103.SAA03585@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Yet still one more BMan bits... Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 18:03:27 -0700 From: ozymandias G desiderata Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It will be somewhat redundant for me to say that I had a great time at Burning Man, but I think that this last weekend may have changed my life. I saw so many cool people doing so many cool things that it really did much to reconnect me to a world that I felt was slowly receding from me. Every so often I need to be reminded how much life rocks. I too camped with Irrational Geographic (in the RV right next to the V-MAR truck), and probably met most of you sfravers who were around at one point or another. The camp was amazingly geek-positive, and it was startling how much diversity there was among the folks in our camp. Some of the people there didn't do much for me, but hey, that's just like the real world, too. I'm surprised that none of you have mentioned Vince's amazing bubble tower, which was an example of useless technology at its finest. Solar powered, over 20 feet tall, and all it did was blow bubbles. That's fucking *cool*. I won't recount everything that I saw or heard over the course of the weekend, because it would be meaningless and boring (and probably envy-inducing to many of you), but I will say that Burning Man is a fantastic experience that needs YOUR direct participation in it to make it the most beautiful thing it can be. It can continue to grow indefinitely (man, there's plenty of room on the playa), but only if everybody's willing to do their parts to make it happen. Along those lines, shouts out to sfravers Jon Logan, Tom Leichardt, and Wayne Correia (and non-sfraver but all-around cool guy and WBL Sound co-owner Peter Lasell) for their cool sets on the WBL sound system. And of course, Burning Man would not be complete for me without a set by Weird Blinking Lights. I personally had a great time spinning the weirdest music that I own (come on -- why play it safe when you're at Burning Man?) and I hope that those of you who heard my spinning were not completely repulsed by it. Also, a big shout out to all of the people who were willing to take chances and transcend their daily personalities and just *freak* *out* for Burning Man. BMan wouldn't be the insanely energetic and obdurately unclassifiable *thing* that it is without the loons, freaks, and mutants that were in such abundance on the playa. I did go check out the rave camp, but it didn't do much for me. I _am_ sorry that I missed some of the sets that I did (I personally would have loved to hear Joe Rice go off), but I think the way to go in the future is to just scatter the various rave camps at the far edges of the main camp, and not have a separate rave camp off on its own. As many others have noted, you can go raving any time -- Burning Man is special. I'm sorry, but if you went to Burning Man primarily to rave, I won't say that you were there for the wrong reason (as far as I'm concerned, the only wrong reason to go to Burning Man (paradoxically) is if you're there _only_ to get drunk and set things on fire), but you probably missed out on a truckload (or two or three) of really cool, bizarre things. And one last thing: the wedding ceremony I witnessed on Sunday morning at the Spiral Oasis was easily one of the most moving and touching things I've ever witnessed. I may be jaded, and I may not know Kevin Matthieu and his bride-to-be that well, but I was very profoundly moved by the ceremony and only wish that more weddings out in "the world" could share the same sort of amazing power. riding the crest of a huge wave of energy, ozymandias . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . . ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Think "bus" (415)278-5674 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ:: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 18:00:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA04513; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA04502; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (crl7.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA22899 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:59:14 -0700 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: "Rocky Mullin" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 01:03:04 GMT Message-Id: <322cd466.78623998@mail.crl.com> References: <199609032310.QAA02333@netcom21.netcom.com> <9609031710.ZM2537@tempest.organic.com> In-Reply-To: <9609031710.ZM2537@tempest.organic.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk They were in Gateway camp. The sun was coming up; he was not driving into the sun. He had to drive past a huge tent to hit them (he hit one tent and then another some 30 feet away). So there you have it. David > been done, probably, in this case, by the police, or by just > about anyone i assume. i dunno if they were camping in the > middle of nowhere with no lights or not though. no details > available. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ I want a world where my biggest trouble is getting sand on my Blo-pop. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 18:02:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA04657; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA04612; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enigma (enigma.vip.best.com [206.86.223.130]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA27035 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:01:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199609040101.SAA27035@dns1.noc.best.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "George Feil" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:01:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: post BM: it continues! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [take 2 -- network error occurred on the first try, resulting in a blank message...] Well, it looks as if I didn't finish letting go of everything in my life that was old, unsatisfying, and decaying when I left BM. I came back to the real world to be rudely awakened: I was laid off from my job!!! Although the shock of being rudely dismissed, with no warning or severance, is still reverberating from my spine, this isn't all bad news. The company is a royal mess. The project I was hired to participate in (redesigning and rewriting all their software for their primary application, a task that is sorely needed) has been delayed indefinitely because the company is currently for sale. The practices they have used to administer systems, write software, and do custom installations, is more screwed up than at any company I have ever worked for. This was hard to imagine, given how fucked up things were at my previous employer, whom I resigned from voluntarily. So, anyway, I'm back on the job hunt once again, with the possibility of finding a super position that will finally give me the opportunity to be paid for my creativity and intuitiveness. I was going to post my own review of BM, but others here summed it up pretty well. I had a blast -- it was my very first BM -- and am eager to attend next year, should it happen. In fact, Jamie and I have this ambition to create an awesome chill space with great chill out ambient for the rave camp -- something that was really missing this year. [The one big chill space in the rave camp was very attractive, and seemed comfortable, but the music was so awful, it drove everyone away, and it sat largely empty.] Anyway, please send me lots of warm, fuzzy vibes my way. I'll keep working on building up my own. Attempting to focus on the positive, ----- / \ E. Nygma | O | enigma@best.com \ / watch this space for URL ----- | -+- / | \ ^ / \ | | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 18:09:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA05281; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA05274; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (crl7.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA24112 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:07:51 -0700 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 01:11:41 GMT Message-Id: <322cd6cd.79239101@mail.crl.com> References: <199609032310.QAA02333@netcom21.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <199609032310.QAA02333@netcom21.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:10:48 -0700, you wrote: Hi Steve, it was nice meeting you... Spaz was like a mirage... One minute is was there, then it disappeared... It was closest to main camp, it was the one with the Earth flag. David > >Spaz > >Where was this? I heard all sorts of rumors ranging from their >generator crapped out, their stuff never showed up, and other things >like oh yeah, they're on tonight. Rumor also had it that they were >spinning some jungle. So what's the real scoop on Spaz? > >Steve > >-- >Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb > | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | > | Burning Man '96 survivor - it's not just a rave, it's an adventure | > | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ I want a world where my biggest trouble is getting sand on my Blo-pop. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 18:15:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA05747; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA05738; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA15921 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:15:15 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960904011511.008beffc@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 18:15:11 -0700 To: SFRaves From: "THX1138" Subject: PS: A Few Things baout BM Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; In addition, my own personal loss; my hair will never be the same. = > Well at least I have a sense of humor, peace. Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 18:50:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA08386; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA08367; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ephedra@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id SAA08699; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:49:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:49:50 -0700 From: ephedra@netcom.com (ephedrina) Message-Id: <199609040149.SAA08699@netcom7.netcom.com> To: bman@bud.com, jihad-bman@jihad.com, leri-l@pitt.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: burning man remembrance Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Having just returned to my senses after a week away, most of that in the desert, I wanted to share some of my moments with everybody.. Most of them probably won't make sense to anyone, but having said that.. What made the trip special: Realizing that there are people I could get to know better, want to know better, and am getting to know better because they are really amazingly cool people. Having the *mellowest* rv mates on the planet. Finally meeting people in person I have only known online and being intensely happy to see them there. Eden and Forrest getting a hardcore game of Set going and watching all the hilarious insults they were throwing at each other. Not missing logging in. Ever. Finally having a camera that actually worked, and taking tons of beautiful pictures, specifically of the piano bell at sunset and the amazing fishtank pagoda book whateveritwas sculpture on the path to the man. Dancing at Gateway on Saturday night with glowsticks in my braids and just giving them away to anybody who asked if I was selling(!?) them, and then handing them out to people on the bike ride back who didn't have any lights so they didnt get creamed by cars in the dark. Spinning around playing fairies with my housemate Sarah and her glowstick tu-tu. Floating around in the hot springs watching the clouds overhead, wondering if it would rain. Riding through the desert with Justin and Kyra, the only sounds we could hear was the bicycle chain cranking and the sound of our own breath. Sitting with abby waiting for the circus to finish, sharing some kind of moment together, realizing we had something to share.. The twinking lights on the horizon reflecting the ones in the sky, which strangely looked deeper than I remember them being before. Giving bad haircuts to poor innocent victims in the center of our camp, wielding the rattling clippers with a maniacal grin and a deceptively calm "oh I think you'd look great with a 1/4" of hair"... Playing Kia's house of beauty, braiding the hair of some very appreciative salon patrons (thanks for the hugs kyra, kt, and wayne) and getting to wash hair in the rv sink with REAL SALON SHAMPOO (ouh la la). The most beautiful surreal ambient guitar music as we glided onto the playa in the rv, everyone too stunned to speak.. Forrest stationed always in front of the turntables, playing some great music I hadn't heard and some that I had, and keeping him awake until sunrise with Peter and Eden cackling and teasing each other with stories until the sun chased us inside to bed. Being served grilled cheese sandwiches and sangria at the Bianca Troll Smut Shack by Chris, who is sooooo dreamy. Hearing (true!) alien abduction stories from people in my camp. Being accosted by an 8 foot long armadillo in the middle of the desert Sleeping in the shade meeting trippers smiling and giggling and howling the alien landing strip sunsets total silence loud explosions watching a helicopter land and spray dust everywhere, having the feeling I was in a movie the wbl pyramid noises watching as kyra became a techno hindu goddess and smiling at the dyad she and justin created the tower at gateway "it's all good" spinning glowsticks with dave and then with aron meeting ravers from everywhere, meeting goths from everywhere, meeting crazy people and normal people and geeks and survivalists and people who ended up there at random from foreign countries sharing a good book with a new friend rj's funky trail mix wondering what I never made it to see seeing the fog on the way into san francisco, being able to see over the edges of the bay bridge being glad to come home again and taking the longest most relaxing hot shower I've ever had lighting a candle and praying for the ones who got what they never expected and never deserved, and hoping they will be alright, and hoping those that died will be at peace. peace all, enjoy your memories because really they are all we have kia From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 19:25:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA12029; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA12023; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA17013 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:25:50 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA03643 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:22:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:22:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199609040222.TAA03643@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Basco & "Talkin' Power" X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok, a while back I asked if anyone could recognize a given song based on my woefully inadequate typed description. Most people guessed I was talking about Basco. My question, now that I've found that the song comes off an LP entitled "Talkin' Power", is: what is Basco? A group/DJ/song title? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 19:50:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA13718; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA13689; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ephedra@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id TAA09910; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:49:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:49:55 -0700 From: ephedra@netcom.com (ephedrina) Message-Id: <199609040249.TAA09910@netcom7.netcom.com> To: bman@bud.com Subject: LOST Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk one pair of black 8-eye doc martens I miss my shoes. I probably left them somewhere between the wbl rv and the v-mar van. If anybody finds them I will be very very happy. It would suck to have to break in yet another new pair. - kia From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 20:00:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA14547; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA14534; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:00:08 -0700 (PDT) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA10259 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:59:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:59:35 -0400 Message-ID: <960903223627_193816070@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: HUGS AND HUGS AND HUGS..... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To the people who cheered me up. It means alot to me!! =)~ <(patrice)> <<<>>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 20:10:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA15345; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA15338; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA05996 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:09:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:09:21 -0400 Message-ID: <960903224524_193823878@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BM PICS Wanted Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, will those of you who went to BM and have many wonderful pictures to boast of scan them onto your computers so the rest of us can share in your wonderful experience? I'm interested in a visual version of this life-size mouse trap game, motorized couch, 5 story high man, and piano sculpture. Maybe you'll even convince some of us to go next year. Waiting for a shot.... <(patrice)> <<<>>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 20:14:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA15680; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA15670; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com ([206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA10798 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:38:21 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA12356 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:34:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:34:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199609040234.TAA12356@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Solid Grooves X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone have the number for Solid Grooves? Pac Bell's 411 computer is down and I don't have the number here. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 20:20:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA16101; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA16091; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:20:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Begroovy@aol.com Received: by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA26536 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:20:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:20:01 -0400 Message-ID: <960903230613_471284354@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Cid's Burningman Xperience in great detail! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thursday, we get it all together in the late afternoon and roll off to Black Rock City in our rented mobile home (the definate choice of vehicles to take to the man). We were all apprehencive about driving this huge vehicle but everything rolled well. We get to the entrance to the playa. Following the instructions (never follow instructions!!!!) we passed the entrance and pulled a u-turn. At this point our driver pulled another u-turn to enter the entrance and bottomed out the rear bumper to the RV and our tires sat there spinning????? Now what???? We flagged some people down to let the people at the entrance know we were stuck??? After a few hours we decided to ride our bikes to the main entrance. After arriving we explained our situation to the people at the gate and they said they would try and figure it out. One of the rangers gave us a jack to try putting wood under the tires. Back at the RV a local Cowboy type had a few fence posts that he helped put under the tires, this was not happening. Eventually this 4 wheel drive gear head showed up and wrapped a chain around the RV's tow bar and reemed us back on the road, not without some well deserved sarcasm about our getting into this predicament, o' course. Just to show beer swilling macho gear heads have a place in our world too. Okay, we're on the playa now and off to rave camp.... The rave scene is not happening, tonight. The person on the turbo sound system is spinning some weird techno stuff that isn't happening. Gateway has someone spinning meltdown ambient and some other tiny sound system with bkinking strobe lights is also spinning meltdown swoosh music. Our friends we know are there are all sleeping so we head for no mans land to catch some zzzz's. Friday, we spend the morning trying to hook up with some friends and aimlessly cruising camp. Eventually, we hook up and set up bass camp near what became the ill fated mousetrap game. Spent the day cruising camp scoping out what was gonna blow! Helco was setting up a miniature mockup of a corporate nightmare, labeling buildings with coporate logo's like Caca Shell (Taco Bell), sorry but I can't remember the rest, and a 16 story miniature skyscrapper. Then there was Tinsel Town with huge posters o' famous hollywood actors like Arnald Swatrzeneger(SP?), Jim Carrol etc...They all had 666 painted on there foreheads and plastic explosives stuck to the posters. The lingum was up and this years version had the look of "an early eighties Ozzy Osborne stage" to quote me directly??? "Goin off the rails on a crazy train"..... Guess you had to be there? It was starting to cool down so I knew we could turn the AC off in the RV, which meant we had enough power to fire up our junior sound system. I started off playing some cool mellow dub (this was on purpose to subtly not offend anyone in the near vacinity). No one is offended by dub music at any point of the day (This is a good DJ tip), gradually building the bpm through slow ambient to fast ambient to full on hardcore house shit (over a period of a few hours of course). Its now evening and we head "downtown" to see what is goin down. As we approach downtown we catch sound of some smooth funky trip hop kinda stuff to arrive at the main A frame stage and find a live act performing some awesome music. Unfortunately we only catch the last two songs : ( Then some weird fat lady with a dildo the size o' Kansas and a bunch o' similarly freaked out people hit the stage for some wacko obnoxious stage antics, my friends and I have a low tolerance for this sort o' entertainment and head off to check the man which has just been lit. On approach we note the virtually full moon is hallowing the mans head, unfortunately none of us has a camera (a serious mental picture has been engraved in my psyche though, heavy shit). At the man we run into a bunch o' the wick'd posse and get the lown down on whats up with the turbo 2-nite!! SRL is near by shredding some bails o' hay and torching shit and general SRL madness. Back to camp for a cocktail party. General comradery and another friends ancient family steelwool burning party gag. Its getting late and we decide to roll out to turbo land actually checking out the other sound systems on the way. We are house people and generally snub those trancy techno thangs and eventually make it to the turbo (I actually like trance in small doses at opportune moments but not to party all night long). I can't remember who was on when we got there but it wasn't doing much for me. After about an hour I head to the RV to catch some zzzz's while sleeping I hear the shit starting to go off. At about 3AM my friend comes in to inform me that Markie is tearing shit up.I decide, I better roll out o' slumber and boogie to another unrelenting AM Markie set!!! Thank You Markie!!! (Cids vote for best DJ set o' the weekend for those keeping tabs?). Saturday, The sun is up and its starting to blaze. This is where the RV comes into play. AC on--- Cid out, snoozzzzzzeville. Wake up in the early afternoon for pancake breakfast, shower (oh how good it felt), and even a shave? We roll into Gerlach to fill up on gas and water. You know we weren't going to run out o' gas and not be able to sleep all day!! We get lost coming back and pass camp and eventually do a u-turn and hit rave camp first. CB and some other cat are doing 5 on 5 off reggae dub thang. We decide to start cooking dinner while we head toward main camp cause shit is gonna blow tonight!!! Quick chow on Veggie Curry over rice,mmmm. And off to Helco. After about an hour of "foreplay" (actual quote from one of BlackRocks finer citizens "enough forplay"). The SRL machine is lighting varius thangs on fire and shredding other stuff. Cats are running around in orange jump suits with flame throwers on there backs lighting shit up. Unfortunately most of the Helco site was constructed out of some kind of flame retardent wood, The shit wasn't burning to good? Eventually some Demonic superhero climbs to the top of the sky scrapper lights a flare and flings it into the skyscrapper. Instant towering inferno everyone is running back away because shit is getting hot. After some mayhem off to Tinsel town, where they are playing this really wierd tape which is a psychology discussion of the social implications of the movie "Reefer Madness"(voted track most needed by Moonpup). They eventually played more weird audio snipets and threw reels of film into the audience which unwound in a tangled mess. I found winding small strips of film in a tight cylinder and throwing them back at Tinsel Town like confetti amusing. Eventually everything starting burning and blowing up. Next came the lingham. A long drawnout Demonic operetic parade that went on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on............preceded the burning of the lingam. Eventually the lingam burned in all its glory. It burned for a long time and we decided it was partytime. Back to camp and fortunately all our posse was there and jumped in the RV and headed to the turbo pyramid. To get thangs started, we had a sort o' rave style cocktail party. A little o' this a little o' that hint, hint ; )' ; )' ETI and Astral Matrix were together ripping out some sick, I mean sick, Hardcore Acid House shit (Cids vote for best live musical performance o' the weekend). Thoughts out to Andrew!!! Praying all goes well!!! Garth eventually came on and slowed down with some Dubby stuff and continued in the Garth vain until the we morning hours. Tracy came on around sunrise and did the Tracy groove thang..... Sunday, slept until about 4PM (The RV AC is the shit!!!!) Got up turned off the AC powered up the Sound system and played the Cid burning set (voted set that contained most burning references all weekend). Closed with B-side to Country Joes Feel Like I'm Fixin to die Rag single circa 1967, "Fire in the City Tonight" by Peter Krugg(heavy shit). Off to the man...... Mega big circle at least 300 yards across good move by organizers on this one. Contemplating how many people are there( 20000???). Way more than last year. This was the best actual burning of the man I witnessed in the last 3 years. The wind was calm the man stood for a real long time and then the organizers started pulling on the wires and the man started doing this drunken stuper kind o' dance like he would fall down. Kind of gave me a vision of an Indian on the trail of tears that wouldn't fall you know. (voted best burningman of the last 3 years changed colors and everythang!!!). Since then everythang has been a blur spent the day cleaning white shit off everythang I took to the desert. Anyone have a good recipe for a cleaning solution????? Have a great night, Peace! Cid From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 21:41:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA21416; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA21408; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA03254; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:39:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: Solid Grooves To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199609040234.TAA12356@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, SDream wrote: > Anyone have the number for Solid Grooves? Pac Bell's 411 computer is down > and I don't have the number here. 999.0259 (4o8) *ahau* tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 21:50:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA21928; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA21920; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id VAA10963; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:49:49 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA29951; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:49:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:49:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man To: Rocky Mullin cc: Steve Simitzis , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9609031710.ZM2537@tempest.organic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Rocky Mullin wrote: > > Especially dismayed considering that a terrible accident > > happened on the playa involving a stupid idiot who did not belong > > behind a wheel. There were other idiots, too, which brings me to my > > point: > > > > Shouldn't they be more worried about protecting people from getting > > killed in the desert? I'm not saying to have traffic laws on the > > playa, but prehaps something (?). > > what? do you see how ludicrous this is? what would have > prevented that accident? alcohol regulation? sobriety > checkpoints on the playa? do you hear what you are saying? > 20/20 hindsight is easy. there is nothing that could have > been done, probably, in this case, by the police, or by just > about anyone i assume. i dunno if they were camping in the > middle of nowhere with no lights or not though. no details > available. Being concerned for the saftey of yourself and others is in no way ludicrous. There are ways people can protect each other; we mearly have to use our brains. Since, in one sense, BM is about experimental communal states, in order to survive Bm will have to be self-regulating (IMHO) to a certain extent. A possible solution would for folks to camp within protective circles of vehicles. All I know is that a friend of mine is in the hospital; perhaps dying... I sincerly hope that enough people will care about this situation and it's implications to want to do something about it. Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 21:57:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA22421; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mas.atext.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA22411; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.atetx.com (johnk.atext.com [204.62.245.82]) by mas.atext.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA26771; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:56:26 -0700 Message-ID: <322D0D0C.751D@excite.com> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 22:01:00 -0700 From: John Kawamoto Organization: Excite, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SDream CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Solid Grooves References: <199609040234.TAA12356@shellx.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You can reach Solid Grooves at (408) 999-0259. I don't think that they open before 12 noon. They are located on Bascom Ave. near San Carlos. Peace Brother, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 22:16:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA24115; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA24106; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id WAA12463; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:16:50 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id WAA00827; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:16:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: rumors (BM) To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Since this may be relavant I will post it, however it is only just a rumor: Word is that the driver who hit the tents in the Gateway camp was only asleep at the wheel. No inebriants were involved. [remember; rumor only from my viewpoint] My sympathies to the Gateway folks and organisers - that could not have been fun to deal with in your camp. Big heartfelt hug and healing vibes to those that were hurt and to those who love the folks that were hurt. My heaqrt cries for those folks who suffered. Peace, Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 22:18:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA24211; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA24205; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA05231; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:15:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Reply-To: Tom Leichardt Subject: burningman To: everyone cc: Happy Ravers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk one of the most amazing experiences ive ever had! :) the VW camp was awsome, fortunetly there was a sound system and a radio tower so we went live on the air... the vibe was awsome, those who participated in teh experience added so much crazyness, so much creativity:) i trully felt myself resonate with the earth, especially after soaking in the hot springs on the edge of the playa. i got there wednesday, and set up camp with tim (knucklehead) from then on it was amazing to see it come together. the energy rose with each day untill sunday nite, and the man burned. fire is very clensing and the release of energy was very comforting - thats a great way to put it, teh whole event was very soothing and comforting. it was a place where intuition and going with teh flow was primary focus, quite the opposite of modern society. it was a place where we cared for one another, and 15,ooo people surviving together sooo playfully :) there is so much about humanity that has been repressed to create our current social structure, and i feel teh time has come to take it back, to re open lost channels and create new ones because we are ready... to be more human again. the rave camp seemed to lack energy most of the time, tho teh obvious effort was there. being so far from main camp seemed to make the energy there sporatic, altho there were great moments i had at CCC, gateway (the eight way gateway system), and yes, even wicked - there was a clubby vibe most of the time i stopped by wicked, but one time there was serious -old school- house playing that made me groove, really groove:) one thing i thought was great was teh mayan ceremony by CCC, which uplifted me and was a nice beginning to a saturday nite spent raving at teh three mentioned soundsystems. soooo nice to see sooo many friends, all the sfravers:) and others. one nice thing was a lazer originating 2.6 miles away from main camp passing over us, coming from the tecno ghetto - the ravers were making their presence known:) i hope there is a BM next year cuz ther is so much more i would love to do to participate, now having experienced a BM. one thing i noticed was that there were many people who were just there, and seriously i hope this is becouse it was their first time as well, cuz definetly more people could have participated in the creativity. the burning man: people began to gather and a procession of weirdness made its way forward, i loved teh big wooden toast being carried by several people, i just got one look at teh thing and couldnt help laughing. words cant really explain any of it... so i'll stop here. .all trully amazing. *ahau* tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 3 22:34:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA25049; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA25041; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id WAA16818; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:34:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:34:44 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609040534.WAA16818@netcom8.netcom.com> To: TeKnODiVa@aol.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: <960903224524_193823878@emout08.mail.aol.com> (TeKnODiVa@aol.com) Subject: Re: BM PICS Wanted Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Aha! I was hoping someone would ask... Well, I have 6 rolls of photos just *waiting* to be scanned. If anyone has a scanner and a web site, please let me know. They will be developed by tommorrow. I'll bring them to Beautiful People and Harmony for anyone who wants to check out the experience. Just look for the loopy guy with the Slinky and bicycle lights :) Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 00:43:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA02709; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id AAA02701; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from well.com (mh2o@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id AAA27841; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Maureen Garrett Subject: Re: Back From BM, I'm luckly To Be .... To: THX1138 cc: SFRaves In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960903165811.0073e130@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I understand completely. My encampment was 200'off the main north road connecting Rave Camp with Main Camp, it was 'always' well lit at night with both lanterns and tiki torches plus it had four bright tall reflectors in a square surrounding the space, they burned all night long. One night someone drove over two of them, as far as I am concerned this was way to fucking close to our tent. In many ways I too feel lucky to be alive... when I left CCC and headed back to my tent around 5 AM after the alien burned, there were so many lost people on the playa driving in circles kicking up unbelievable amounts of dust (as thick as your worse fog nightmare) that I had a very difficult time finding my camp, this was rather scary... The main road had by this time been overridden by countless other tired trails...and which asshole by the way was carving deep trenches in the playa all over the place, as if some kind of hoe was being dragged behind a car? A major kick in the ass to you for unnecessary negative environmental inpact.... I pray it rains on the playa soon...I had no idea that so many creatures dwelt there... It would be eaSy for me to go off on what I feel were tripled negative aspects of this years BM... that will follow. Also, my ceremonial 20" native american drum, including special fancy sticks, a pendelton blanket, two large rabbit hides and a special padded carrying case was left near the toilets by the door encampment on the North Road by a friend, unfortunately whoever found it stole it by not turning such a valuable medecine object into the lost and found at the Rangers Station...what has happened to honestly? A longer report will follow containing both good and negative aspects... Also, Remember to focus your prayers and good energy to those who were critically injured at Rave Camp... and any others we are unaware of.... --Maureen On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, THX1138 wrote: > Dear All; > > Back from BM, and am VERY thankful I'm still alive, that's all I > have to say, sorry. > > Peace > Brian > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 02:30:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id CAA13520; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id CAA13513; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA10901 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jberk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA23347 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:27:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack Chang Reply-To: Jack Chang To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Crashing the after party... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk YES!!! After three days, I'm finally caught up on sfraves mail. For those who don't know, Sen (that's me) is now living in the Andres Castro Arms Co-op up in the hills of Berkeley. Being phoneless for a week, life's just flashed by...to start off I'd like to send a get well prayer to the people in Nevada. I'll be the first one here to pledge to never again allow any of my friends to drive under the influence. peace to you all. Hi, Nancy, my fellow co-oper/sfraver. Thanks for making my transition to the house so much easier. Moving into a new living experience with total strangers is a bit unsettling to say the least. Especiallysince I'm a bit anthrophobic. Smiles and conversation is all it takes to make my day. :) To everyone else, hope to meet you this weekend. Sen "pay attention to your body, it knows better than you do." -moi From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 03:06:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id DAA16071; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id DAA16063; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from techno.north.pacificnet.net (pm8-14.pacificnet.net [205.199.121.149]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id CAA18737 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:59:45 -0700 Message-ID: <322D566F.1790@pacificnet.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 03:14:08 -0700 From: Ken Lawrence Reply-To: techno@pacificnet.net Organization: Pure Acid Mixtapes X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: burning man Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Howdy, this is Ken from Pure acid Mixtapes here in L.A. I just joined SF raves to see what everyone thought of Burning Man. We were the mixtape/glowstick booth located directly between the Gateway & Wicked sound systems. Sorry to hear people got hurt! I knew about the guy who had the motorcycle accident, but I heard a rumor that there were more casualties. Anyway, I had a blast there. The live CCC performance late Friday night was amazing... Good to meet some SF ravers up there, EveryonE I talkEd to was all smilEs... Also, can anyone tell me who the female DJ was Sunday night at the Wicked camp? I'm not as familiar with SF DJs as I am LA djs. Thanks! --Ken (pure acid mixtapes) 310-793-1021 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 03:53:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id DAA21175; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id DAA21169; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from madox@localhost) by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id DAA01483; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:53:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:53:12 -0700 (PDT) From: TEMPoNAUT Subject: !NRR! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk off the topic question, but does anyone have an email addy for the CIA? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 06:26:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id GAA29854; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 06:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id GAA29846; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 06:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA11684 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 06:24:45 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id GAA09587 for SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 06:15:43 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Subject: For what it's worth... Date: 03 Sep 1996 19:16:34 GMT Message-Id: <4089765821.122319579@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Well as people were being burnt @ the man this weekend, a small Party called PUMP happened in the city. Or at least, tried to happen... Although didn't go, I heard that the party was busted @ about 1:30am by SF's Finest. This is three for three so far: Nation, Hallucination, and now PUMP. Well, Halluc. did happen, only after two valiant attempts. To my knowlage Pump also had permits, but was busted anyways... Looks as though now Slick Wilie is secure in his office as Da Mayor, ravers will have to be... well ravers, keeping the scene underground.... Looking for my miners helmet, Adam "Music is my DRUG of choice..." ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 07:59:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id HAA06572; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id HAA06565; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora (jsl@localhost.netcom.com [127.0.0.1]) by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id HAA06467; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:59:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:59:16 -0700 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9608038417.AA841794924@smtplink.acer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Andy Wyszkowski" From: "John S. Lee" Subject: Re[2]: Back From BM, I'm lucky To Be ....(long) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am not going to go tit-for-tat on Adam's comments. Will comment where necessary. > > I know I've never met you, but I have to get this off my chest... I've > decided to post this publicly because we seem to value positivity, > maintaining a degree of community, and the occasional difference of > opinion. I just want to share my opposing viewpoint. > > I'm going to give Bryan the benefit here and read his words at face > value. It's actually a pretty good summation of what must have been a > pretty turbulent time. Maybe you could have asked him what he meant > personally... > > This is a pretty shitty time to be negative and cynical. Some people > got hurt at no fault of their own, and your message read (IMO) like an > "I told you so" to those who were 'foolish' enough to drive out to BM. Adam, I was not being negative or cynical. I was very upset to hear that two 17 year old KIDS got hurt by an asshole on the playa. I was also hurt and angered at some people's reaction to potentially two peoples lives being ended. There is very little positive, IMO, that can be said about the event. Sorry. I have great contempt for those who find the good in everything, no matter what. Two people may have lost their lives, but I had a great time at the BM...c'mon. Two kids might not ever get to another BM...these are kids by all accounts. Oh well, the party must go on? I certainly hope not. This thing was billed as "Hell", maybe next time people might not want to tempt fate so directly. Just my superstitious .02. Happy happy, Joy Joy BS is not going to lessen the hurt the parents will feel if their daughter and son are not retuerned home safely. If *I* were the parents of those two kids, I would make damn sure there would never be another event like this ever. And by any means necessary. I can say this, the event will never be the same for me and others. If it goes on next year, with the same intent/context I would only hope nobody else gets hurt or killed. > > I think the best thing we can do is hope the loss is minimal, > emotionally, physically, and spiritually. My sources indicate that it was not minimal. But I cannot speak from heresy. Let those who know what had REALLY happened speak. You are out there and you know the truth. Expose it to the light. Anyway I believe the loss was great, and as such this, IMO, is no time now to find the good of BM.. It sucked because people got hurt. Deflecting attention from that very REAL fact is just more escapism. Two people might not ever get a chance to talk about their experiences at BM. Why not reflect on that, or is that all too real? > I don't know too much about > what happened, but I can imagine regardless of the outcome a lot of > things will change for those injured, and those close to them. This > is the time when human strength is tested, and I hope we can all work > together in doing anything we can to help. Agreed. Also this is a time to reflect, IMO, as to what was gained by all the hype and hoopla of a party that went out of bounds. I am sure that this will not be over anytime soon. > > Maybe we've gotten spoiled on having our hand held by the false sense > of security enforcement through fear of punishment we have exercised > since the dawn of civilization. Maybe responsibility cannot be > enforced, regardless of law. Maybe a lot of things could have > happened differently regarding this and maybe there's some force that > determines a degree of predestination. I don't know. Do you? Rhetorical. Force of predestination? I do not believe in predestination. I believe in cause & effect. 15,000 people, drugs, booze, and the theme of Hell/chaos = a formula for something really bad happening to someone there. That IS what I know at this point. > I just > don't think a spirit of freedom or anarchy or anything hurt those > people. Freedom? Anarchy? People wouldn't know what to do with real freedom, and nobody is really ready for real freedom, that IS why we have laws. Freedom means I can take of yours what I wish at any time. You got food, I want it, I can take it, same with your drink, your possessions, or your girl/boy as the case may be. Freedom, when you look at what it really is, is something we know we cannot be trusted with, that is why we have systems of laws to protect ourselves from each others right to do what we wish, i.e. Freedom. Yes, Freedom even means I can do what I wish at anyones expense. Like the driver who was DUI and ran over those kids. SO I disagree, the little experiment in the desert failed. It was only a success because nobody else was killed injured. But maybe we don't know that either. I would like to know how many have been seriously or fatally wounded at these events. I think I am not the only one, as time will tell. > What hurt those people was a confused / fucked up / scary > individual who decided his/her right to drive was more important than > other's right to safety. What hurt those people was a person who saw his freedom to have greater value than that of the others around him. That is what you get when you have real freedom. That is the potential that exists without real laws and methods of enforcement. That is the reality of true freedom. We have known this for thousands of years. That is why groups develop prescribed acceptable modes of behavior. > That choice MAY have been biased by more law > enforcement, or stiffer penalties, or concrete bunkers, or even > another beer but the responsibility has to go back to the individual > > What would we be like if we couldn't blame 'society' for anything? Well in this instance, there was a society out there, although temporary. And the finger, just as in the greater, points to it's successes and it's failures. This year, was a failure. Just as in the larger context, when a person goes to jail or a murder happens, it is an indictment of the society at large. Individuals exist in these contexts, together they make a society. If a society can make claims of success, then it should be willing to accept it's failings. Nothing exists in a vacuum. Nature abhors one. Peace & Reflection, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 09:08:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA11966; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MediaCity.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA11958; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.0.2.1] (easy3.mediacity.com [205.216.172.12]) by MediaCity.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA25029 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:05:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:05:05 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: joes@3ad.com (Joe Schmelzer) Subject: RAVE WEB Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Although I didn't attend the BM, and I'm pretty new to the scene, I plan on devoting part of my web space to the SFRave scene, for what it's worth. If anyone wants to send me pictures, or art, or whatever, I will be happy to translate that to the digital media and into the WEB. I have all the gear to do whatever... email me. T.Man http://www.3ad.com/jbs1.html From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 09:18:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA12730; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mhhaa.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA12723; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from notes2.compuserve.com ([149.174.221.56]) by mhhaa.compuserve.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA07967.; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by notes2.compuserve.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.17/2.0) id AA3302; Wed, 04 Sep 96 12:18:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9609041618.AA3302@notes2.compuserve.com> Received: by External Gateway (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 33EB2F0BAAC700008825639B0056C029; Wed, 4 Sep 96 12:18:47 To: sfraves From: "nathan.b.beckord" Date: 4 Sep 96 8:48:39 Subject: Intro/Germany/BM experience/injuries (long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Howdy Folks! I thought Id introduce myself, share my Burning Man experience, and ramble on aimlesly about other things. The names Nathan, and Ive been lurking here on the list for some time now. Ive been getting really excited about the sense of community on the SFRaves list, and am looking forward to checking out some upcoming events and meeting some of youz fine peoplez. My AWESOME experience at BM, and the Raves camp motivated me to say hi. Hi! Short Bio: 24 years here on the Planet. Originally from Boulder, CO. Drawn to the Bay Area cause of its coooolness, went to SCU. Went to a few big commercial raves while in school, and to some incredible parties when I studied in Berlin two years ago. (INCREDIBLE energy over there- lots of spontaneous unplanned parties in basements and courtyards of partially bombed, never rebuilt buildings in the former East Berlin, with half-buried buses, gutted jet fighters, raw metal work art. Other cool places like Ewerk, a former power plant converted to a disco. Entering through barbed-wire gates, dancing in, around and on huge rusted machinery and equipment. Before the Wall came down, all young Germans had to either serve two years in the Army or do two years community service, unless they lived in West Berlin. W. Berlin became a magnet for all artists/writers/other cretive types, and when the Wall came down, they moved into the numerous deserted buildings in the East, and have created an amazing scene. If you get a chance, check it out soon, as it may not last long. Rents are going up, owners are slowly re-claiming and developing the buildings, the capitol was moved from Bonn to Berlin, etc. GO NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!! Anywayz, moved to SF, the Greatest City on Earth, a year ago. Work for Big Corporate America, but in a small group within BCA; I like my job, I like the people, so its not as soulless as it sounds. Also started a web consulting firm (shameless plug: www.cwsi.com) last November. Likes: music, motorcycles (anyone else got one? lets ride!), food, Yahtzee, enjoying life. BM was a super experience for me. It was my first one, but I had been planning for it for months. It evolved into a Mecca for me, a pligrimage to the Desert, a chance to exorcise some personal demons that had been building for some time and to turn around some bad karma that was beginning to evolve. My posse was the Golden Shower Camp, the folks who brought you the Mass Shower ( and the resulting Mud Fashion Show, the Mud Wrestling, and the Slide Contest). It was alot of work, but an absolute blast to be able to participate and to let people get good n muddy and bond with Mother Earth. Very sad to hear about the injuries of the people who were hit in their tent. It seems that whenever something great gets big, tragedy seems to follow. Not to place blame, but after catching a ride back from the rave camp around 6 am on the trunk of a kind souls big american boatster (thanks again if youre out there) with Shakti and two other Gents, we were hanging out at the camp cleaning up, and there were two pickup trucks of drunk young Yokals racing around the camps, tearing through the mud pit splashing tents, and generally causing trouble. Im assuming they found the responsible party, but if not, I think I got a bit of video of the truck when I was filming the sunrise, and the time frame seems to fit. However, it should be said that the locals were m ostly very cool. One family of local alfalfa farmers set us hard core with the use of their water truck, which was used to bring all that water to the shower. Another older couple gave us some huge inflatable boxing gloves. On a related subject, if anyone wants a copy of the video, I have about two hours of footage. Email me, and send me a blank tape, and Ill make a copy. Most of the scene is taken from the perspective of the Golden Shower Camp, and there is unfortuneately no footage of the Rave Camp, but I do have some good scenes of the Playa, of Mud People, and of things burning including Helco, the Man, and Stonehenge. But I missed the Opera scene and the burning of the Castle, so if you happened to film that or other stuff, PLEASE email me and lets trade tapes. Other highlights of BM: When I try to explain it to friends, I describe it as sort of a combination of a Pagan ritual with a Woodstock with a circus, where all 12,000 people are the participants. The only rule (social, moral, legal, or otherwise), is "do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't affect the experience of people around you". It was a weird environment where all sociatal restrictions are thrown away. There is so much creative energy put into it, it's amazing. Examples: huge Hell-themed opera, that ended with the burning of a large ornate castle; bands driving around on trailers, everything from heavy metal to polka to a guy with a pipe organ that plays mainly the theme from gilligan's island; two incredible rave camps; a structure of 80 pianos, that was of course burned; probably 3-4 drum circles at any given time; a large recreation of Stonehenge that was also burned; drag shows; mud pits, with wrestling, slide contests, fashion shows, etc; parachuters; freaky circus acts; motorized couches that cruised around; motorized toilets; rocket powered bicycles; constant fireworks; meditation to the melting of a 500 lb. ice sculpture; and, naturally, the Burning of the Man itself. All this under a full moon, on the very surreal environment of a huge dry lake bed, absolutely devoid of features Enough talk. Lets dance. Im going to try and make it to Harmony this weekend. I will probably be wearing a half red and half yellow cat collar with three bells on it, and probably some form of velvet. See you there!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 09:38:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA14116; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA14103; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA20057 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:38:45 -0700 Received: from hera.synopsys.com (hera.synopsys.com [146.225.100.23]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA11061 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:38:35 -0700 Received: from [146.225.54.53] (mac-54-53.synopsys.com [146.225.54.53]) by hera.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA04896 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:38:32 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:39:31 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Whoever wants rave pix... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all! Recently I was asked for some photos I took at some parties. Would whoever would like copies sent to them as images to put up on Web pages please contact me before Friday evening so we can make arrangements? I have pix of BBQ & Beats II, Harmony on the beach, Beautiful People at 21st & Mission and at 150 Folsom, and Friends & Family. Thanks, Eric From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 09:47:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA14926; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA14912; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.15.68.48] (pm1-ppp48.well.com [206.15.68.48]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA27548 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609041647.JAA27548@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:47:34 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: insannity on the Playa Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sometime aroun 8:30 am on Monday morning, I was cycling back to main camp from the CCC arena to get breakfast and touch base with some friends. As I was about halfway to main camp, some dick head in a car was circling around me, trying to get as close as possible and kicking up so much dust that I could hardly see. I'm wondering if these were the same people that ran over the tent. I suspect not, but it was a little unsettling to be out there alone and have to deal with someone in a car, having fun at my expense. Anyway, they eventually got tired and left me alone. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 09:47:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA14930; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA14914; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA26764 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:45:07 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA19486 for Sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:35:09 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Hope to see ya... (Bsp I guess, well. sorta...) Date: 04 Sep 1996 16:04:44 GMT Message-Id: <2769813470.126830321@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, I think this is the first Wensday of the month... That means... (drum roll please) Come-Unity is a going on (for that housey techno vibe). And if'in you're into that trance-thang...(I guess one drum roll is enough) Wish: w/ guests Mystr-E and MARS till 2AM at the Bahia. Well, well ,well so many decisions... And it's just Wensday! C-ya somewhere, -Adam "Music is my DRUG of choice" ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 10:59:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA20958; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA20951; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA03915; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:04:28 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609041104.ZM3913@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:04:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: Randy C Cone "Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man" (Sep 3, 9:49pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Randy C Cone , Rocky Mullin Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man Cc: Steve Simitzis , sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sep 3, 9:49pm, Randy C Cone wrote: > > > what? do you see how ludicrous this is? what would have > > prevented that accident? alcohol regulation? sobriety > > checkpoints on the playa? do you hear what you are saying? > > 20/20 hindsight is easy. there is nothing that could have > > been done, probably, in this case, by the police, or by just > > about anyone i assume. i dunno if they were camping in the > > middle of nowhere with no lights or not though. no details > > available. > > > Being concerned for the saftey of yourself and others is in no way > ludicrous. There are ways people can protect each other; we mearly have > to use our brains. Since, in one sense, BM is about experimental communal > states, in order to survive Bm will have to be self-regulating (IMHO) to > a certain extent. no it's not. but hearing a call for police protection in the playa is ludicrous, at least for something like this. > A possible solution would for folks to camp within protective circles of > vehicles. that is the image i have had in my mind ever since i heard about this senseless occurance. irrational geographic was a semicircle, and wbl camp the year before was a circle too. > All I know is that a friend of mine is in the hospital; perhaps dying... > I sincerly hope that enough people will care about this situation and > it's implications to want to do something about it. all of us are really sending vibes out there for him and all of those affected. -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 11:08:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA21735; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mvgate.isinc.insignia.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA21724; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:05:59 -0700 X-Address: Insignia Solutions Inc., 2200 Lawson Lane, Santa Clara, CA.95054 X-Telephone: +1 408 327 6000 X-Fax: +1 408 327 6105 Received: from [205.231.222.75] (tmcdonnell.isinc.insignia.com) by mvgate.isinc.insignia.com (5.65c8/UK-2.1.ISL) with SMTP id AA20306; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:05:59 -0700 X-Sender: knucklehead@mail.domain.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: knucklehead@club.net (Knucklehead) Subject: BM and soon to be homeless Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk First off, BM was great. Not what I expected, maybe due to it being my first time and that I didn't particapate as much as I should have, but I did have a great time none the less. The CCC camp was awesome. Killer music and people made it so great. Kox Box and Adam I remember the most. Totally head trippen sets and the Mayan performance was wonderful. Over at the Syntonic\Theta camp, BioJeff throwing down great sets as usual on Sat and Sun along with Timmy, DJ, Phil on Sunday. The live set by WBL in the IG camp, DJTom spinning that Goa in the IG/VW camp, and lets not forget Jonathan "Burger King" Logan mixing up some ambient. After awhile I was wishing I brought my records. Homeless because of BM: Some of you may know a few months ago I moved out of my apt. and into my mom's house to save some money for new turntables and to move to the city. Well, that has all changed. The day I returned home my mom was leaving to pick up my brother from school and said she needed to talk to me. When she returned she asked....told me I had to move out because she knows what I've been doing. With a stupid look on my face I asked her what she meant. She said she found my yellow paper on Burning Man (the one some of you my have gotten prior to BM) and said Burning Man was about Worshiping Satan. And was reading out loud about Hell and Papa Satan going to fart fire and have people sit on his lap and all the other Satan things it talked about. I told her it was just a theme and there were several other camps with different themes. BM wasn't about worshipping satan. Gave her articles to read and tried to explain everything that went on there and about the people that were there. Everything I can muster up about BM and what I did there (exempt for the things mothers and father for that matter shouldn't know, ie..the little trEAts one indulges in At cErtAin events). But after it all it didn't seem to help and now I have until this weekend to find a new place to live. This will be hard, since payday is the 13th and I spent alot going to BM. How does she expect me to find a place this soon and no money until the 13th. So me and my little cat will be homeless after this weekend. If anyone knows of a cheap place that allows a cute little cat that's in somewhat good area, or possibly a roommate that doesn't mind having a cute little cat around the house please let me know. I will be looking anywhere from San Jose to San Francisco. I come with records, turntables, some household furnishings which I could live in storage if there isn't room. I'm a great cook, responsilbe, stable job, plenty of laughs. I can give you names of people to verify what kind of person I am If you need them. Stuck in between a rock and a hard place. This is totally unlike my mom to do this, she's not even religous. O'well it happened. So if anyone knows of anything please let email my here or at (knucklehead@geocities.com) Thanks, Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 11:44:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA24430; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA24425; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA17768; Wed, 4 Sep 96 11:44:08 -0700 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9609041844.AA17768@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Back From BM, I'm lucky To Be To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:44:07 -0700 (MDT) In-Reply-To: from "John S. Lee" at Sep 4, 96 07:59:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Anyway I believe the loss was great, and as such this, IMO, is no time now > to find the good of BM.. It sucked because people got hurt. Deflecting > attention from that very REAL fact is just more escapism. > The problem I have with this, as well as with your statement that you have great contempt for those who try to see the good in everything, is the question of where you draw the line. Yes, tragedies happened at Burning Man, but do they necessarily negate all the good things that many people seem to have experienced at the event? Where does one decide that so much negativity over weighs so much positivity... My answer is that it's entirely a personal decision, and for you to label other people's choices of perception as escapism and false is dangerous. You have the right to do so, but know that I would choose otherwise. > Freedom? Anarchy? People wouldn't know what to do with real freedom, and > nobody is really ready for real freedom, that IS why we have laws. Freedom > means I can take of yours what I wish at any time. You got food, I want > it, I can take it, same with your drink, your possessions, or your girl/boy > as the case may be. Freedom, when you look at what it really is, is > something we know we cannot be trusted with, that is why we have systems of > laws to protect ourselves from each others right to do what we wish, Maybe you know you cannot be trusted with it, but again I feel otherwise. I feel that I have learned that if I take something from someone else, eventually something will be taken from me. If I hurt or endanger someone or something else, I know that the cycle will eventually come full circle and the stability of my life will become treacherous. But I feel confident with freedom and I trust that any liberties I give to other people will also be given to myself... and I believe that works in a positive direction as well as a negative direction. I believe that if I respect other people, they will respect me, and that if I let everyone go free, I will become free. I think laws are a reflection of fear, and have the potential to be broken down as people learn that we are all in this together and that what goes around comes around. I'm willing to face whatever consequences true freedom brings me... be they good or bad. > What hurt those people was a person who saw his freedom to have greater > value than that of the others around him. That is what you get when you > have real freedom. That is the potential that exists without real laws and > methods of enforcement. That is the reality of true freedom. We have > known this for thousands of years. That is why groups develop prescribed > acceptable modes of behavior. > again where do you draw the line? People die in cars every day. Right here on Hwy 17 to Santa Cruz there are accidents, many of them very serious every day. So should I decide that Hwy 17 is a failed experiment and force everyone who wants to commute from Santa Cruz to San Jose to drive an extra hour through Salinas everyday to protect them? Should I decide that cars themselves are a failed experiment and make them illegal to protect all those people who die every day? Should I make fishing illegal because I feel the pain of all the fish dying and the oceans becoming devoid of life? When you draw one line, you then have to draw another, and another, in a neverending downward spiral of laws and restrictions to the freedom of life. I see the reality of true freedom as a means of creating new life, through change and learning. through experiencing the darkness of fear and realizing the light on the other side. That doesn't mean that bad things aren't bad and shouldn't be avoided, but it also doesn't mean denying the positive things that surround those bad things. You have the freedom to choose and dwell where you will, and I personally feel that even when I feel pain I have to continue to strive for loving the life that brought that pain if I want to move onward in a positive direction. > > Peace & Reflection, > John > likewise, -john. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 11:52:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA25044; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA25032; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA04172; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:57:18 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609041157.ZM4170@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:57:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: Tony Rotundo "Re: The Cliff Notes to Burning Man" (Sep 3, 5:21pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Tony Rotundo , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: The Cliff Notes to Burning Man Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk oh! that's the "chai guy" we (sluggo's) used to buy our chai from! ask him if he sold to sluggo's... anyway, he's right on! -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 11:57:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA25486; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA25476; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA04195; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:01:58 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609041201.ZM4193@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:01:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) "Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man" (Sep 3, 5:48pm) References: <199609040048.RAA04809@netcom3.netcom.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk a shuttle bus would have rocked, but many of the people who drove out there would have driven out there. my transportation on the playa was a motorcycle... perhaps you saw the ninja with the alien on the front? On Sep 3, 5:48pm, Steve Simitzis wrote: > Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man > > > From: "Rocky Mullin" > > Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:10:35 -0700 > > > [snip] > > > > > > not only that, but they took him in on *possession*, which again > > is just hugely lenient, considering what he had could have put > > him away for at least a few years, even in california. > > > > if this is the same arrest you are thinking of, then i am happy > > to provide you with this information so you can make a more informed > > judgement about the police prsence there. cops suck until you > > are ketting your ass kicked to shit in some alley someplace, > > remember that. > > Having been the victim of crime enough times (won't go into details; > some of you know the folklore) where the police have been nowhere to > be found, I will admit that my tendency is to be anti-police. Thanks > for the additional information, though. > > I also have to admit, though, that I was under the impression that > they weren't there to police anyone's lifestyle. Of course they have > to do their job, but I can't help but be disturbed by it. > > > > > > > Shouldn't they be more worried about protecting people from getting > > > killed in the desert? I'm not saying to have traffic laws on the > > > playa, but prehaps something (?). > > > > what? do you see how ludicrous this is? what would have > > prevented that accident? alcohol regulation? sobriety > > checkpoints on the playa? do you hear what you are saying? > > Actually, I do hear what I'm saying: > > > I'm not saying to have traffic laws on the playa, but prehaps something (?) > > Someone else on the list suggested a shuttle system. This is a great > idea! A lot of people had problems getting to rave camp and were > equally dismayed about the safety factor. I'm surprised there weren't > more such accidents. > > Maybe if we get enough suggestions together, we can help the BM and > rave camp organizers make a safer and cooler event for next year. I'm > not talking about a crime/punishment system. Just some more practical > ideas. Thoughts? > > > > > > the Logistics > > > > basically, i diddn't go there for a rave. raves are super new > > to bman. and they by their nature are loud. on the playa you > > respect each other, and many people don't want beats all night > > long, pure and simple. i know i diddn't, i wanted four hours > > or so a night of quiet(er). anyway, most people don't go there > > for a rave - but are psyched that they are there to go to anyway. > > > > What sort of transportation did you have? If you had something > motorized, then you were one of lucky ones (best of both worlds). But > for others, where we camped largely determined our BM experience. > > Steve > > -- > Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb > | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | > | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | > | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | > >-- End of excerpt from Steve Simitzis -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 12:11:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA26999; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA26988; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:11:32 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA07987; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:11:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) To: John Elias Darrow cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Back From BM, I'm lucky To Be In-Reply-To: <9609041844.AA17768@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, John Elias Darrow wrote: > > > > Anyway I believe the loss was great, and as such this, IMO, is no time now > > to find the good of BM.. It sucked because people got hurt. Deflecting > > attention from that very REAL fact is just more escapism. > > > The problem I have with this, as well as with your statement that you have > great contempt for those who try to see the good in everything, is > the question of where you draw the line. Yes, tragedies happened at > Burning Man, but do they necessarily negate all the good things that > many people seem to have experienced at the event? Where does one decide > that so much negativity over weighs so much positivity... At the point which you realize that you may never look into a friends eyes again, never hear them laugh, never see them smile. But hey, there is another party this weekend, right? Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 12:22:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA27975; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA27965; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA04792; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:22:42 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199609041922.MAA04792@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Back From Bm... long To: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9609041844.AA17768@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> from "John Elias Darrow" at Sep 4, 96 11:44:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > > > Anyway I believe the loss was great, and as such this, IMO, is no time now > > to find the good of BM.. It sucked because people got hurt. Deflecting > > attention from that very REAL fact is just more escapism. > > > The problem I have with this, as well as with your statement that you have > great contempt for those who try to see the good in everything, is > the question of where you draw the line. Yes, tragedies happened at > Burning Man, but do they necessarily negate all the good things that > many people seem to have experienced at the event? Where does one decide > that so much negativity over weighs so much positivity... > My answer is that it's entirely a personal decision, and for you to > label other people's choices of perception as escapism and false is dangerous. > You have the right to do so, but know that I would choose otherwise. To each his own I guess. What I did was no more flase or dnagerous than the denial of the possible death of two kids. They didn't have a choice in the matter, while we sit here arguing over semantics and academics. > > > Freedom? Anarchy? People wouldn't know what to do with real freedom, and > > nobody is really ready for real freedom, that IS why we have laws. Freedom > > means I can take of yours what I wish at any time. You got food, I want > > it, I can take it, same with your drink, your possessions, or your girl/boy > > as the case may be. Freedom, when you look at what it really is, is > > something we know we cannot be trusted with, that is why we have systems of > > laws to protect ourselves from each others right to do what we wish, > > Maybe you know you cannot be trusted with it, but again I feel otherwise. The points are hypothetical, and based, in large part of the observable nature of humans. You may just as well be trsuted, the point is there will be a person who will not repsect your boundaries, and THAT is where the problem starts. Laws are needed, to keep each of us at a distance from one another. If we decide to join forces and allow each other to share our "space", then it's all good. If respect were common throughout humankind, laws in their present form wouldn't be needed. But the fact that you use the premise of Respect as the boundary is a start towards developing a set of rules or laws govenring behavior. A law is a law is a law. > I feel that I have learned that if I take something from someone else, > eventually something will be taken from me. If I hurt or endanger > someone or something else, I know that the cycle will eventually come > full circle and the stability of my life will become treacherous. Cycles...I am reading a book called "The Physics of Immortality". It talks about cyclicism and why it is aberrant, but that is just one view of cycles I guess. I do not necessarily beleive that there is a state of equilibrium. Soemtimes the good guy doesn't win, sometimes there is no payback, and maybe you ain't coming back as someone else. I dunno...just a thought. > But I feel confident with freedom and I trust that any liberties I give > to other people will also be given to myself... and I believe that works in > a positive direction as well as a negative direction. I believe that if > I respect other people, they will respect me, and that if I let everyone > go free, I will become free. Not to be antagonistic, but it would be interesting to see if I drop you in the middle of Hunter's Point, parts of the mission, deep parts of the South, or a crime ridden area, if you would still like to try this thesis. When the circumstances are right, I agree, this is the ideal. The second you have a disparaging element in the mix, the formula will have to change...for your own survival. > I think laws are a reflection of fear, and > have the potential to be broken down as people learn that we are all in > this together and that what goes around comes around. I'm willing to > face whatever consequences true freedom brings me... be they good or bad. > I think laws are a reflection of the fear we have of ourselves. And humans, history has shown, are a species to be feared. Thus laws. I do not beleive in the milk of human kindness. I think it exists, and people exhibit such behaviors, but I also realize there is greed and avarice too. For me, I want the good, and I want to be protected from the bad. Laws, can be good things, when written properly (whatever that is). > > What hurt those people was a person who saw his freedom to have greater > > value than that of the others around him. That is what you get when you > > have real freedom. That is the potential that exists without real laws and > > methods of enforcement. That is the reality of true freedom. We have > > known this for thousands of years. That is why groups develop prescribed > > acceptable modes of behavior. > > > again where do you draw the line? People die in cars every day. Right > here on Hwy 17 to Santa Cruz there are accidents, many of them very serious > every day. So should I decide that Hwy 17 is a failed experiment and force > everyone who wants to commute from Santa Cruz to San Jose to drive an extra > hour through Salinas everyday to protect them? That highway is a nuisance, and very dangerous, people take it because there is no other way, because their employers don't let them work at home, because of greed, need, and other things. There are solutions, and the closing of that stretch is one. Thisd is a subject of ongoing debate. Suffice it to say there are other means. The question is, do we have the will to pursue those avenues. > Should I decide that cars > themselves are a failed experiment and make them illegal to protect all > those people who die every day? There is a good case to make in that regard. It all depends upon your POV, as you ssaid earlier. > Should I make fishing illegal because I > feel the pain of all the fish dying and the oceans becoming devoid of life? > When you draw one line, you then have to draw another, and another, in a > neverending downward spiral of laws and restrictions to the freedom of life. > I see the reality of true freedom as a means of creating new life, through > change and learning. through experiencing the darkness of fear and realizing > the light on the other side. The domino effect. Nope, when you make one law, you dop not necessarily have to have others. And lines hafve to be drawn. As much as you talk about respect and things of that nature, I still may not wish to have you walking across my lawn. I want to have the freedom to say no or yes to whom I wish. I see laws as laws, not necessarily good or bad. Some are needed, others are moot. They are a reflection of who we are as a species. And until we grow up, which we are far from doing IMO, we will need to be protected from each other. Sad to say, but it is true. > > That doesn't mean that bad things aren't bad and shouldn't be avoided, but > it also doesn't mean denying the positive things that surround those > bad things. Vice versa for the good/bad. Like I said, BM was all good, I know. Now what about the people who got hurt or died. You cannot know the sweet without the bitter. Nor the light without the darkness. > You have the freedom to choose and dwell where you will, > and I personally feel that even when I feel pain I have to continue to > strive for loving the life that brought that pain if I want to move onward > in a positive direction. > > Right on. > > Peace & Reflection, > > John > > > likewise, > -john. > John, excellent points, and I did take them to heart. Our approaches may differ, and we may see thigns through different lenses. But I think we both would want the same thing in the end. respect for each other being tantamount. Something the driver of that car lacked. Peace out, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 13:05:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA02960; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hal.mobius.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA02921; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lnelson-pc by hal.mobius.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0uyQ2t-000JKYC; Wed, 4 Sep 96 15:03 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960904120527.002b50cc@mail.mobius.net> X-Sender: pauly@mail.mobius.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 13:05:27 +0100 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "w. p. risenhoover" Subject: Back from BurningMan, etc. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings: I just wanted to take this moment to point out that, despite the very emotionally charged subject of life and death, the discussion seems to be respectful, clearheaded, and free of spite or bitterness towards each other. I like it. pauly x-radio http://www.x-radio.com/x-radio/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 13:10:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA03509; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA03502; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA04382; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:15:30 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609041315.ZM4380@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:15:30 -0700 In-Reply-To: Randy C Cone "Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man" (Sep 3, 9:49pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Randy C Cone , Rocky Mullin Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man Cc: Steve Simitzis , sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk again, all i was indicating was ludicrous was the preposition that the police could have done something about it (without, i assume, runing the whole event). i am very concerned with people's saftey, actually. moreso then a lot of bman visitors, i bet. On Sep 3, 9:49pm, Randy C Cone wrote: > Subject: Re: The Cliff's Notes to Burning Man > On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Rocky Mullin wrote: > > > > Especially dismayed considering that a terrible accident > > > happened on the playa involving a stupid idiot who did not belong > > > behind a wheel. There were other idiots, too, which brings me to my > > > point: > > > > > > Shouldn't they be more worried about protecting people from getting > > > killed in the desert? I'm not saying to have traffic laws on the > > > playa, but prehaps something (?). > > > > what? do you see how ludicrous this is? what would have > > prevented that accident? alcohol regulation? sobriety > > checkpoints on the playa? do you hear what you are saying? > > 20/20 hindsight is easy. there is nothing that could have > > been done, probably, in this case, by the police, or by just > > about anyone i assume. i dunno if they were camping in the > > middle of nowhere with no lights or not though. no details > > available. > > > Being concerned for the saftey of yourself and others is in no way > ludicrous. There are ways people can protect each other; we mearly have > to use our brains. Since, in one sense, BM is about experimental communal > states, in order to survive Bm will have to be self-regulating (IMHO) to > a certain extent. > > A possible solution would for folks to camp within protective circles of > vehicles. > > All I know is that a friend of mine is in the hospital; perhaps dying... > I sincerly hope that enough people will care about this situation and > it's implications to want to do something about it. > > Ran > > -=*=- > ~ > >-- End of excerpt from Randy C Cone -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 13:16:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA03910; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA03904; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA04410; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:21:00 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609041321.ZM4408@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:20:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: "John S. Lee" "Re[2]: Back From BM, I'm lucky To Be ....(long)" (Sep 4, 7:59am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: "John S. Lee" , "Andy Wyszkowski" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Back From BM, I'm lucky To Be ....(long) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i would not worry too much about the first death at bman96, the motorcycle. it was a drunken, headlightless game of chicken waaaay out on the playa. all the people involved made choices about what they were doing (in this one accident) and many people are now calling it a suicide. riding real fast on a moto at a van, wearing no protective gear, drunk, in the dark, with no headlights sounds like suicide to me. as far as i know, the incident at gateways is the first real super-tragic event to happen at this yearly gathering... -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 13:18:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA04114; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA04083; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA06460 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:18:15 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA07071 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:10:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:10:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199609042010.NAA07071@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Solid Grooves X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone for the info!!! S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 13:22:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA04485; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA04469; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA29841 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:22:32 -0700 Received: from hera.synopsys.com (hera.synopsys.com [146.225.100.23]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA03674 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:22:20 -0700 Received: from [146.225.54.53] (mac-54-53.synopsys.com [146.225.54.53]) by hera.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA23587 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:22:10 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:23:09 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Who died at BM? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In my sifting thru all the BM accounts, I can't find anything about anyone having died, but I keep seeing references to "those who died." Would someone please clue me in? Maybe even point out where I missed the details, if there are any? Thanks very much! Savor every moment, Eric From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 14:14:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA09692; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA09670; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA02328 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:14:58 -0700 Received: from hera.synopsys.com (hera.synopsys.com [146.225.100.23]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA09632; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:14:46 -0700 Received: from [146.225.54.53] (mac-54-53.synopsys.com [146.225.54.53]) by hera.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05652; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:14:37 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:15:37 -0700 To: "Rocky Mullin" From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Back From BM, I'm lucky To Be ....(long) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > riding real fast on a moto at a van, wearing no protective > gear, drunk, in the dark, with no headlights sounds like > suicide to me. > Sounds like stupidity to me, which is the cause of many "accidents." Remember, folks: accidents don't happen; they are caused. Love life: treat it well, and maybe it'll treat you well. - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 14:17:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA10154; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA10148; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA24741; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:17:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:17:40 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609042117.OAA24741@netcom17.netcom.com> To: caliban@organic.com CC: jsl@netcom.com, awyszkow@smtplink.acer.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: <9609041321.ZM4408@tempest.organic.com> (caliban@organic.com) Subject: tragedies at BM (was: Re: Re[2]: Back From BM, I'm lucky To Be ....(long)) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > From: "Rocky Mullin" > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:20:59 -0700 > > as far as i know, the incident at gateways is the first real > super-tragic event to happen at this yearly gathering... > Don't know too much of the details, but wasn't there another death last year involving some accidental shootings? Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 14:31:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA11317; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA11308; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.8) id OAA21762; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609042131.OAA21762@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Who died at BM? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk One of the performers got drunk in Gerlach, and although his friends tried to give him a ride, he insisted on driving back to camp himself on his motorcycle. He was drunk and driving on the Playa at night with no head lights. He ran head on into a slow moving truck and died instantly. :( At 01:23 PM 9/4/96 -0700, you wrote: >In my sifting thru all the BM accounts, I can't find anything about anyone >having died, but I keep seeing references to "those who died." Would >someone please clue me in? Maybe even point out where I missed the >details, if there are any? > >Thanks very much! >Savor every moment, >Eric > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 14:45:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA12547; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA12539; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA20903 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:44:59 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA21348 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:43:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:43:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199609042143.OAA21348@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: News? X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Pardon me everyone, but is there an update on the state of our friends currently in the hospital? I haven't heard names for these people or their latest status, and I'd really like to know. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 14:46:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA12680; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA12670; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA29708; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:46:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:46:24 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609042146.OAA29708@netcom17.netcom.com> To: knucklehead@club.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: (knucklehead@club.net) Subject: Re: BM and soon to be homeless Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > From: knucklehead@club.net (Knucklehead) > > Stuck in between a rock and a hard place. This is totally unlike my mom to > do this, she's not even religous. O'well it happened. So if anyone knows of > anything please let email my here or at (knucklehead@geocities.com) Moms get kind of funny when it comes to Satan. I remember once my mom found a copy of the Satanic Bible in my guitar case when I was in high school (I don't know what she was doing there). I wasn't interested in Satanism; I was actually reading it just for laughs. Anyway, she had a total shitfit and couldn't look at me in the eye for days. The funny thing is that she isn't religious either. Something about Mom and Satan. Never could figure it out. Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 14:49:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA12897; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsu.Colorado.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA12888; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gutman@localhost) by ucsu.Colorado.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3/CNS-4.0p) with SMTP id PAA16381 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:48:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:48:55 -0600 (MDT) From: A-RON Steven Reply-To: A-RON Steven To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Burning Man Pics? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey Everbody, I'm really sad I didn't get to BM this year... If anybody has some pics up on the web, I'd love to have the URL. Some people from Mountain Raves went and burned big pieces of toast... =) I hope everyone is doing well... I'm missing San Fran already.. Aaron. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 14:50:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA12988; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA12972; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink3.berkeley.edu (uclink3.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.74]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA26974 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (stans@localhost) by uclink3.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA07652 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:45:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Stanislav Shectman To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: harmony tickets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk are harmony tickets still on sale? i just convinced some good friends to go. if anyone could post info on where to buy tickets (in SF) i'd be their best friend forever and a day. (is that incentive or disincentive? ;) ) -stan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 14:52:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA13216; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA13168; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.8) id OAA24304; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609042152.OAA24304@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: BM report Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Can you say "Chai Love High baby!" The Chai hut rocked. I loved it. Best vibe in the whole camp as far as I was concerned. Spent most of my time there and at the hot springs. Had the pleasure of spinning for about six hours at the Chai hut thursday Friday night. Had a blast. This was my third and by far best BM. Last year I fell into the "it was better last year" attitude and didn't have that much fun. This year I got more involved. I decorated my camp with about 30 twenty foot lengths of bamboo. I made a small forest. It was quite nice IMO, plus they made great javolens(sp) to through at the fire on the night of the burn. They were also great beakons that helped us find each other on the night of the burn in the huge crowd. "BAMBOO FAMILY!!!!!!" Spent very little time at Rave camp. The time I did spend was spent at Gateway. They were the coolest! Had a chance to spin some ambient there, but never got a chance to make it back out to take them up on it. Would have been the biggest system I had ever spun on if I had. Missed out. Lets just say I had the time of my life....again. Love and light to all those injured out there. My prayers will be with you. Here's to freedom! Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 14:54:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA13404; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA13399; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca65-31.ix.netcom.com [206.217.121.95]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21454 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:52:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:52:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199609042152.OAA21454@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: My friends & their condition (BM accident) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, First, thank you to eveyone who has been sending their love and best wishes to my friends and I. The following statement is as much info as I could gather from the police, friends, and hospital. Some might be speculation, some not... They people that were injured in the tent accident, were our friends Omar and Erin. I saw both of them when I went to the hospital. Erin had a bad injury to her ear, but through surgery the doctors were able to put everything back to normal. She was discharged from the hospital either last night or today. She had no other injuries from what I was told. I spoke with her mother and she stated that everything was fine and that she was doing great! (thank god) Omar on the other hand didn't have the same luck. Rumor has it, (from what I hear) that Omar is dead. Wrong!!!!! He is very much alive!!! At BM he got hit with the full force of the car. We are not sure wether his head was actually run over with a wheel, or if he just got hit really hard by the car. But the worst injury that Omar has is his head. He also sustained some broken ribs, a shattered jaw, and verious other little injuries. Last night we talked to one of the doctors that was performing surgery on Omar. He told us that they successfully reconstructed Omar's jaw, and performed some other surgeries. This is a good sign, cause that means that Omar was stable enough to go through the surgery process. However Omar still is in Reno, in the hospital, in a coma, awaiting his head to heal. There was major brusing to the brain, which could mean a lot of things. We don't know if Omar will come back the same as when he left us. We don't know what time will tell. We all just really hope that he recovers as much as he can, in a timely manner. I really can't begin to explain the amount of pain this horrible accident has caused. I just want to be able to wake up and have this all be a dream. When I got the call a couple of days ago, I thought I was dreaming. I thought this would all go away. But it hasn't gone away, and it won't. How could this happen to the Omar that made us all laugh, smile, & dance. He always brings life into every room. He is and always will be a fucking great person. I just wish this didn't happen. I Just wish there was something more that we could do to prevent these things from happening. Hmmm... Well on a happier note, my very nice roomate Matt, has saved the day! While I was in a rush to get up to Reno to see Omar and Erin, I blurted out, "Oh yeah, and get a space for friday's Beautiful People party!" as I ran out the door. And by the time I got back, he had one! So, to the best of our (harmony's) abilities, there WILL be a Beautiful People party this friday, September the 6th. The price is still they same $15, or ten if you come with your 3 year anniversary ticket in your hand. Also, we are going to be taking donations to help Omar's mother with some of her bills. The hospital bills are completely outragous, so I think that amount we can come up with, will be of help. (Even if it doesn't go towards the hospital bills, maybe it could go towards his mother's airline tickets. She lives in San Jose, Omar is stuck in Reno and the doctors won't transfer him for at least six months - a year. She is going to be taking off work and putting her life on hold, so she can fly up there all the time, which can get pretty expensive). So if you can, bring some extra money for our friend. It would make him happy, to have his mother by his side. Also, the Harmony crew has decided that since Omar was (and still is) an original member of the Harmony crew, that ALL profits (if any) from the 3 year anniversary will go directly to Omar & his family. If you would like to make any sort of donation towards this cause you can mail it to: Omar C/O Harmony Productions Po Box 111084 Campbell, CA 95011-1084 They really need some financial help, so please anything you can do would be greatly apprieciated. If you can't send $, send your love and I am sure that they will feel it too!! Peace, love, and harmony... 4 Omar, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 14:54:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA13469; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA13456; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 708714093 (ameba.ameba.com [205.162.25.65]) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA00173 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:52:58 -0700 Message-ID: <322DFA1D.76AA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 14:52:30 -0700 From: abema Reply-To: abema@ix.netcom.com Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: burning man close call Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i had an arguement with a 20 foot steel pole and the doctor said i won:) Thank Satan! andrew From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 15:19:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA16252; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA16238; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: stellar@value.net Received: (from stellar@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA19577; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:19:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:19:10 -0700 (PDT) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: burning man thanks... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this is just a quick note to thank all of those who helped make burning man so special. i met so many wonderful people there, who all seemed to to have one thing common on their varied ajendas: to escape traditional confining social methods and conditioning, and to be reallly cool, nice, and supportive of one another. this is really special to me. i have gone 3 years in a row now, and each time i come back just rapt (enraptured) from it all. i feel i open myself up so much to the goings on in the universe/my universe, and that it is such a great place to relax and enjoy while really learning alot about myself and others too. i come back just buoyed with the positive energy i absorbed and help create there. such an event takes so much planning, and must be filled with so many hurdles, that to overcome all of them in a creative way only illustrates the enormous amount of good intentions on behalf of the organizers, and their desire to help others share this love. i am truly thankful, and hope i can encourage all to participate next year(lets all try to manifest that one...) -- it is truly worth it, imho. thank you all again, peace kevin ;) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 15:32:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA17888; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA17877; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from scarab@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA20497; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:31:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE To: Maureen Garrett cc: SFRaves Subject: NRR:Deserts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Maureen Garrett wrote: > was being dragged behind a car? A major kick in the ass to you for > unnecessary negative environmental inpact.... I pray it rains on the > playa soon...I had no idea that so many creatures dwelt there... It Deserts were long thought to be indestructible ecosystems because they appeared dead. However, ecologists now know this is not true. Deserts are actually very fragile. I know that the Mojave desert has about 1/2-1" of topsoil and if that is disturbed (like by cars ), opportunistic weeds invade and crowd out other life, thereby destroying the original ecosystem. Destroying the topsoil also allows for erosion to occur. This is what the Desert Protection Act that Diane Feinstein pushed through is about. I don't know anything about the ecology of the Black Rock desert, but it may be a similar situation. -KC From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 15:34:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA18136; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA18128; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21821 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.251] (lr8e1-port1.zocalo.net [157.22.1.251]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05417 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:33:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:33:43 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crusty Subject: burning man tragedies Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Burning Man was good and bad this year. A lot of it's already been talked about so I won't re-hash what was and wasn't. But I have a little bit of editorial to offer that's from a different angle. I spent only one night -- Friday night -- out at CCC. It was an amazing evening in the desert. But CCC doesn't throw raves. They are way evolved beyond raving, and their lifestyle and ceremonies reflect that. Other than that, I didn't want my Burning Man experience overshadowed by what I already end up doing in a warehouse once a week on average. I tried to get into the rave thing out there, but compared to the *incredible* diversity of what was happening in the Main Camp, it just seemed like it didn't fit. So I drove back and forth more than a dozen times, but I never found anything happening out there that was captivating enough to stay 2.6 miles from the action. But when you are not in one place, you are someplace else. So while I wasn't raving, I was ingesting in the magic that is Burning Man, so it worked out well for me. I just feel badly for all those that drove all the way to the Black Rock Desert to "go to some raves" and didn't spend one minute in the Main Camp finding out what the Burning Man is all about. Also, after seeing the rave-camp related tragedies at this year's burning man, I would have to recommend that the rave camp as a separate, unmanaged entity not be allowed to occur on such a scale next year (if BM happens at all next year anyway). The statistics prove it -- that the death/near-death occurrences out in Rave Camp and the sheer number of overdoses were higher per-capita in the rave camp than in the main community. Last year's single large sound system seemed to be all the rave we needed. It's too bad, too. The rest of Burning Man was stellar. And the main camp included enough smaller, in-camp sound systems that created "just enough" rave environment to complement the other events and sites to see and things to do in main camp. In fact, we even FM simulcasted our sound system on 102.3 this year, and we gave time to anybody that wanted to play, including Forrest/Ozy, Burger King, Tom, KT, WBL, and myself. It was fun. It was community. We were not superstar DJ's, we didn't bring a giant sound system. We created more of a camping/campfire sized sound and vibe. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 15:44:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA19622; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA19604; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id PAA15134; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:45:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:45:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199609042245.PAA15134@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: Who died at BM? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 01:23 PM 9/4/96 -0700, Eric P. Peterson wrote: >In my sifting thru all the BM accounts, I can't find anything about anyone >having died, but I keep seeing references to "those who died." Would >someone please clue me in? Maybe even point out where I missed the >details, if there are any? > >Thanks very much! >Savor every moment, >Eric > There is a lot of misinformation going on right now, many don't know what they are talking about. Officially and to my knowledge there was one fatality which ocured tuesday night, wednesday morning. I was a Ranger at this years burning man mostly around the rave camp, yes there was an accident monday morning around 6:30 am involving an automobile with three people injured, one from burns, two with head injuries. There is more but I want to wait till I can reach Claire (the other Ranger) and maybe we both can post an update as to what actually happened. geoffw From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 15:47:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA20005; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA19997; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06742 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.251] (lr8e1-port1.zocalo.net [157.22.1.251]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05715 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:47:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:44:56 -0700 To: SFRaves From: crusty Subject: NRR: Re: NRR:Deserts Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 3:31 PM -0700 9/4/96, KaySEE wrote: >On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Maureen Garrett wrote: > >> was being dragged behind a car? A major kick in the ass to you for >> unnecessary negative environmental inpact.... I pray it rains on the >> playa soon...I had no idea that so many creatures dwelt there... It > >Deserts were long thought to be indestructible ecosystems because they >appeared dead. However, ecologists now know this is not true. Deserts >are actually very fragile. I know that the Mojave desert has about 1/2-1" >of topsoil and if that is disturbed (like by cars ), opportunistic >weeds invade and crowd out other life, thereby destroying the original >ecosystem. Destroying the topsoil also allows for erosion to occur. >This is what the Desert Protection Act that Diane Feinstein pushed >through is about. I don't know anything about the ecology of the Black Rock >desert, but it may be a similar situation. > >-KC Diane Feinstein is the antichrist. Her and the Sierra Club are elitists who would rather let you view nature (the desert in this case) from pictures they've taken from their limos on the way to their next re-election fundraiser/eco-wackery campaign. Don't get me wrong. I love nature. But I want to see it with my eyes, not theirs. Short of clear-cutting, nature is fairly indestructable, and it is nothing short of egotistical to think that, in the case of the desert, a small number of people driving their cars over it will ruin it forever. And in the case of the Playa, *nothing* lives there. *nothing*. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 15:50:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA20218; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA20200; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id PAA13582; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:49:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199609042249.PAA13582@netcom22.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: for next year at burning man Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 15:49:58 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk enough drum circles.... how about a DRUM MACHINE CIRCLE?? We'll need a big mixing board (16, 32, or 48 channels of stereo), lots of cable, amps, speakers and a big generator... Now is that a stooopid idea, or what? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 16:18:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA23063; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xtof.sct.fr by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA22956; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:17:43 -0700 (PDT) From: topher@france-techno.fr Received: from [194.206.159.55] (nice0-138.sct.fr [194.206.158.138]) by xtof.sct.fr (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA10808 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:07:35 +0100 X-Sender: topher@www.france-techno.fr Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:16:47 +0100 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: >>>>> VIRUS ALERT - VERY IMPORTANT <<<<< Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Very important information; please read. >The FCC released a warning last Wednesday to any user of the Internet. >There is a "computer virus" that is being sent across the Internet by E-Mail. >If you receive an E-Mail message with the subject line >>>>>>>>>>" Good Times "<<<<<<<<<< >>>>> DO NOT READ THE MESSAGE <<<< >>>>> DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY <<<< >It not only destroys your computer, but it goes into your list of E-Mail >addresses and sends itself to all others on the list, and then proceeds >to completely wipe out your hard drive and overdrive (overheat) your >processor by sending it into an nth complexity binary loop. >Remember the Virus' name "Good Times". >Pass this along to your global mailing list as well. 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Subject: Re: Deserts To: ezzevvravess In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, crusty wrote: > Diane Feinstein is the antichrist. Her and the Sierra Club are elitists who > would rather let you view nature (the desert in this case) from pictures > they've taken from their limos on the way to their next re-election > fundraiser/eco-wackery campaign. ah, so that's who was in the limo cruising around on sunday. diane taking a tour of her minion's handiwork... > And in the case of the Playa, *nothing* lives there. *nothing*. well, then there were a whole lot of six- and eight-legged little *nothing*s swarming and flying around our camp lights at night. and i came across several carcasses of little furry, long-tailed *nothing*s during trash detail on monday. anyone have any anti-itch medication for *nothing* bites? jmar! glad to be alive... memento mori. | J M R T N K O | fonstrosities and other toys by ILLGBLITY ENGNRING. | | D S G N E T C | JOHN-A MARTINKO, w. desk chief martinko@netcom.com | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 16:25:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA23750; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA23743; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA18559; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:25:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199609042325.QAA18559@netcom22.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: insannity on the Playa In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 96 09:47:34 -0800." <199609041647.JAA27548@mh1.well.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 16:25:17 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Something like what happened to John Draper happened to me too. I camped in the main camp, in a tent w/ my girlfriend behind irrational geographic. On friday afternoon, I rode over to the rave camps to check out the setups and soundsystems and because I love riding fast on the playa. On my way back, a truck full of ravescent-looking youngins passed me in a mini-pickup truck going really fast, with about 2 feet of clearance, yelling "100 points for the biker" as they screamed past me... they left me in a huge cloud of dust which I could barely see my way out of (esp with the headwind). Fortunately, that was the only really scary thing that happened to me all weekend... for the most part, I had a very good time. I did grow annoyed at the boozers that were driving around the main camp on motorcycles/tricicles/quadricicles/trucks tossing aluminum beer cans (and even glass beer bottles) on the ground as they took advantage of unpoliced drinking and driving... Especially guilty was a certain blonde bimbo that threw a beer can on the road in such a way that I ran it over and nearly flipped when it got stuck on my tire and hit the forks of my bicycle. Next year, I'm bringing a camera and putting up a "stupid cunts and assholes of burning man" web site. IMHO, This would have been a much better event if it was alchohol free, or at least drinking-and-driving free. Seemed like too many people thought this was some oversized "rager" college frat party where they could get shitfaced and then drive around drunk w/o fear of getting a DUI. Perhaps John S. Lee is right, perhaps BM is getting too big and chaotic. Last year seemed much more intimate, and there weren't as many people vying for the darwin awards, creating evolution in action, and seeking inebriated gene-pool removal techniques for themselves and others. The worst thing is that these kinds of people rarely succeed in removing themselves from the gene pool, which would be a great service to mankind. They usually take out innocent victims and cruise through life on dumb luck and a prayer... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 16:27:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA23941; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA23932; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10016; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:27:04 -0700 Received: from [206.86.235.114] (lesliea.vip.best.com [206.86.235.114]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA12730; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:19:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:19:25 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, "Davidt" , sam@blarg.net, bhakti@aol.com, khalil@rosenet.net, phil@scumby.com, garyb@creative.net, loulou@mendel.berkeley.edu From: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) Subject: Burning Man Moments (VERY long) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Imagine, if you will, that the world has ended with an explosion that leveled everything, left no plant life, just a flat endless cracking dusty desert that stretches for miles in every direction. The people who have survived wander in small groups, carrying their homes with them, nomads, independent and self-sufficient. But for a few days, all the small tribes come together in the desert, making a temporary encampment. It's a post-apocolyptic circus, and all are invited. I have never seen anything like this, it is overwhelming. After 200 miles of freeway and 100 miles of a country road, we turn onto the playa Thursday afternoon. I watch the odometer count up to 10 miles so we could make a 90 degree right-turn to find our camp .... and we spot our friends' geodesic dome right away in the vastness of the flat desert. We set up our tents and shade, and begin to adjust to the environment. Tony R rides up on his bike with a new mohawk haircut, a scarf tied around his waist, and little else. Vince and his crew have set up their beacon and windmills and established their neighborhood. As more cars, trucks, vans and rvs arrive, the energy grows, but it never gets crowded because the camp simply grows outward and the space seems endless. People are creating palaces for camps, huge structures with pvc pipe frameworks from which are hanging curtains to create the definition and shade of walls, protection from the blazing sun. Inside many are couches, rugs, flowerpots. At night, there are twinkling lights, tiki torches, tall beacons so we can find our way home. Radio Free Burning Man plays dada-istic musical and spoken word pieces, interspersed with djs who interview performers who are inviting the community to their events (mail order bride anyone?) and remind people to drive carefully and drink lots of water. Across the way, Bianca's Smut Shack is playing the most amazing music ... ambient, trip-hop, whatever ... it is always there and it's always perfect. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart for being my neighbor. Lounging in our camp, I stop being surprised at anything. I see a parasail flying overhead, piloted by a man with a huge fan strapped onto his butt, steering himself over the camp like a huge human kite. A man rides by on a moped that has been converted into a 10-foot long stuffed rat. He is followed by 5 people, 2 of whom are naked, who are riding on a brown overstuffed motorized sofa that buzzes by at 15 miles an hour, then stops to spin around and around until they're all dizzy. A white plane does tricks in the sky overhead. People are bounding high on a trampoline nearby that's ringed with white twinkling lights. A procession of shark cars goes by. Sounds are everywhere. TV soundtracks are coming from tents as you pass by, entire bands are playing on the back of trucks that are cruising through the camp, there are sirens, whistles, bells. Flares go off constantly in the night, as if they have a mind of their own, and just decide to send up their glowing red light in the the starry sky without even a human being to light them. Huge fireworks follow in every direction. Friday night, I hear a sound and look up to see a helicoptor approaching, and 100 yards ahead there are flares set in a circle to guide it to a clear landing site. It approaches slowly, scanning its searchlights to see where it's going, and it gently, gently hovers and gets lower and lower and louder and louder until the moment when the air from its rotors hits the dust on the ground and BOOOM like a mushroom cloud, the dust rolls out until you can't see anything but its lights. I'm screaming "Holy shit! Holy shit!" because I am totally overwhelmed. Then my friend Sara comes out of the porta-pottie, and I ask her if she saw it, and she says "saw what?" having missed the whole event. They load their passenger, and 10 minutes later, we watch it lift off to carry her to a safe place, and as it rises from the ground again and disappears to the southwest, you know you've watched a miracle. The chai tent is a haven of ambient music in a huge chill space with carpets, couches, flowers in vases, your friends old and new to talk with. Saturday night, they burn the Helco setup, a false-front city of shops like Caca Bell and Starfucks Coffee and high-rises, and I realize that I need to stay away from the energy of large crowds who are hungry for destruction by fire, so I plan to stay far from the Sunday night burn. Rave camp is far, far away, an anxious 2-1/2 mile drive across the playa, hoping that we'll see any people walking or on bikes with plenty of time to avoid them. On almost every trip, we pick people up and give them a ride. Halfway to rave camp is a fairy tale camp setup, with a huge yard with picket fence, and oversized flowers and mushrooms made of wood and painted bright crazy colors. They even have a huge mailbox. We tell the woman hanging out in the camp how great we think it is, and she says "then maybe you'd like to come Monday morning and help us take it down" ... maybe she was just tired, and maybe she was stressed from being in a camp so far from other company, or maybe it just isn't as fun being in a fairy tale camp for days on end. The rave camp has three separate sound systems. Gateway is magical, especially when the "bug" guy, who is dressed in a big costume and mask covered with glow sticks that make him look like an insect-relative of Winnie-the-Pooh from outer space, climbs up on the scaffolding behind the billowing white gauze curtains, and dances. Wicked has an amazing visual setup, a tall pyramid structure covered with white cloth and light shows on it ... and huge green lasers shooting out into the desert that you can see for miles because of the dust. Garth's set Saturday was the funkiest I've heard from him (or anyone) in months. The dust is like part of our world ... we created our own civilization, and the dust is the atmosphere that defined the boundaries for us. It takes me 3 days to get it together to buy a face mask to protect my lungs. Walking between the CCC camp (how wonderful to have big carpets to chill on there) and Gateway, there is a crazy car who's turned his lights off and is driving fast, fast, fast in the playa, slamming on his brakes and spinning out. I was really afraid, feeling like an animal who is being hunted, defenseless, wondering if my flashlight works as a warning or a magnet to crazy drivers like that. My anxiety about safety on the playa, where cars, trucks and pedestrians are all wandering, is sharpened. On Sunday, you can feel the energy of people getting ready for the big event. Our camp sets up its sound system again, and we're blessed with Tim, BioJeff and Phil spinning for us. We sit on lawn chairs in the shade, chatting and spraying ourselves with misters. I get to dance in the blazing sun under my chinese parasol, eating icy watermelon that Ann brought. My friends Sara and Mike are keeping everyone happy and entertained as they wander around naked and beautiful, getting browner in the sun, stopping every few steps to kiss and talk and be in love. I luck out and a friend has brought her massage table, and she massages the kinks out of my back. Then a man in her camp paints my face like a bird mask to go with my headpiece that I made from twigs and feathers. I go back to my own camp and put on my evening costume. We have an inside tip to visit the Tiki Hut Man, who has set his tiki bar up on a piece of astroturf with tiki torches, and is serving icy margaritas and rum drinks with smoked gouda and almonds. Perfect. I think next year, I'm bringing popsicles and I'm going to ride around on a bike and be the popsicle woman. While I was gone, Mike has painted Sara with psychedelic body paint, like the banners that he paints for raves, then he paints his face and Phil's. She'll wear her grass skirt and the headpiece we made her from vines and flowers. Sara wants to play Twister, so I get to be the spinner, lounging, smoking and calling out instructions for Sara, Mike, Tom and Phil, all naked, and laughing hysterically. Can't wait for the pictures from this one... naked twister is a dream come true for Sara.. and perhaps some of our spectators ; ) Sunday night, my friends light their beautiful installation of doors on fire, and it burns so big and hot and smoky, and I watch with a sadness that it will be gone, because it's been a marker for me as I find my way home, and I've loved seeing people discover it and go inside and leave offerings in it. Later, when the pageantry and procession begins, I stay in my camp, as people leave one by one, and finally I am there alone. It is dark, no lamps lit, desolate, and dogs who have been safely left in cars, vans, tents, are howling. A small plane is circling overhead and fireworks and flares are shooting up from every direction. I can see flaming torches in the distance as thousands of people begin their trip down to the man. Once the main center of camp is empty, I walk over there, and am grateful for the Chai tent dj who continues to spin beautiful music, even though there are only a couple of sleeping souls in the tent. I dance out in front of the tent, watching the man go up in flames in the distance. Then people begin coming back from the burn, and within minutes the activity picks up again throughout the camp, and a dj is spinning techno, and people who've perhaps never heard of raving before are dancing to it. Back at camp, several of us gather around a paper bag with three candles in it, as if it were a campfire, and laugh until our sides and mouths are aching. Rave camp that night is more crowded, so dusty, another world. No crazy tent setups there, no weird invented vehicles cruising by, no odd soundtracks coming from art installations as you wander around. It's hard to believe there are people there who have never even ventured into main camp. We see the CCC alien man burn at 4:20 a.m, and later I get a ride home as the sun comes up, and sleep until it's too hot to sleep any more. Showering on Monday morning (bless the people who created showers for us!), we see a black sedan coming in from the playa, totalled, clearly having rolled over, since the windshield is a shattered web, and both sides are crushed in, and every wheel is facing a different direction ... but there is metal music blaring from it, and two guys riding on top laughing and screaming, and the girl driving has a huge smile on her face. How will they ever get home? Packing up and driving back is a gradual immersion into everyday reality. I'm exhausted, and have a lot to think about and process. Burning Man is about leaving one reality, and creating another. It is the only time I have ever been somewhere where everyone has made a true and conscious contribution to what is happening. There are no specatators here, everyone is part of the show. Every person brought their creativity to the playa. For some, simply putting out the effort to get there with a tent and supplies is their expression of creativity, and it is welcome. For others, they pushed to the limit, brought along huge art pieces, built installations like Mudhenge and windmills that blow bubbles (oh, we were so lucky that Vince's bubbles drifted right over our camp). They created amazing vehicles like reclining bikes that looked like bananas and bikes with neon lights with costumes to match, to ride in the night. They built pyramids that repel aliens and brought formal clothing and amazing costumes. They traveled on stilts, roller skates, surfboards with sails that cruise across the desert. There are positives and negatives to an experience like Burning Man. On the positive side, there is much to learn from being somewhere with few rules and no boundaries. On the negative side, there is much to learn from being somewhere with few rules and no boundaries. We lost one member of the community in a motorcycle accident ... and we have others who are seriously hurt. Certainly, out of this many people over a holiday weekend, we would have had casualties in any environment. But this is a special place, where we try to create our own world, a world that is better for its free thinking and openness, that seemed to carry an optimism that we'd be able to avoid these kinds of tragedies. Perhaps more rules, more structure, would avoid the problems, or perhaps it would create more problems. Maybe many people in our world today have been so crippled by having rules imposed on them that they no longer are able to regulate themselves. How can we make it a safer experience and still keep the free and primal nature of the gathering? Creating a "police" function wouldn't seem the answer ... perhaps taking away some of the danger by creating a "road" system with flashing lights to make it easy to follow in the dark and the dust ... and creating a shuttle that will transport people so they can leave their cars in their camp? I'll be there next time, and I hope that there is a next time. An event like this has clearly grown exponentially and something must change to accommodate that growth. I feel regret that I wasn't part of it in the years past, because I'm sure it was different, smaller, purer somehow. But like a child who grows into an adult, time changes everything. Next year? More shade, less food, bigger tent, more water, less beer. And popsicles. Love, Leslie XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -O- -- [8 ._. 8] . _____. . \___/ . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 16:33:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA24369; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA24353; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA10188; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:33:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:33:01 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609042333.QAA10188@netcom17.netcom.com> To: mayer@netcom.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: <199609042249.PAA13582@netcom22.netcom.com> (mayer@netcom.com) Subject: Re: for next year at burning man Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 15:49:58 -0700 > From: "Niels P. Mayer" > Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com > Precedence: bulk > > enough drum circles.... how about a DRUM MACHINE CIRCLE?? > > We'll need a big mixing board (16, 32, or 48 channels of stereo), lots > of cable, amps, speakers and a big generator... > > Now is that a stooopid idea, or what? > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > That is a fucking awesome idea!!! I brought my drum machine, but didn't get much use out of it. Next year? Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 16:59:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA26960; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idiom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA26947; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.14.123.56] (lmnt.dial.idiom.com [206.14.123.56]) by idiom.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA17442 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:59:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lmnt@c2.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:16:27 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lmnt@immersivearts.org (ed colmar) Subject: Intelligent lighting system for sale Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello! Yes, I'm selling my lighting rig. Mostly for financial reasons, and also to give someone else a chance to see how fun intelligent lighting can be. 5 Martin Roboscan 1004 intelligent fixtures 250 watt ELC bulb (around $11.00 new) 4 colors (plus white) 4 Gobos (plus open) Variable speed strobe 180 degree pan 90 degree tilt 27 LBS. 1 Martin 2032 Controller Unlimited scenes, sequences, and shows (saves to disk) Full control of all martin products Can control up to 32 independent fixtures Asking price: $3500.00 This lighting rig is full of good vibes, but is getting old. This system has been reliable for the past 4 years, every fixture was routinely cleaned and maintained. Though the mirrors and fans are showing signs of wear and could be replaced (estimated cost: $120.00). The controller motherboard has recently been upgraded to a 386, 66MHz, 4MB RAM (from: 286, 20 MHz, 1MB RAM, yuck!), but is experiencing occasional trackball problems. (Proprietary part, available through martin dealers: $120.00). It is a crazy 4 space rack mount piece (including green screen) that can run DOS. You have seen this rig recently at: Burning man 1996 (gateway systems' circle, bottom row) Friends + Family (July 27, 1996) and a while back at: Friends + Family Halloween 1995 Chrysalis in Oakland Harmony at the acme Nomad interactive at pier 66 New years eve This system rents for $350.00 a night (with a fog machine). And looks great by itself, or in combination with other fixtures, and is a great starting point to build a as large a lighting rig as you like. For more specific information contact me directly. ::hugs:: e _______ ___________________________________ | CDJ LMNT | | Aural Pilot | http://www.immersivearts.org/lmnt/ _______| immersiveArts |___________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 17:18:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA00243; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAB00205; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA01886 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA28816 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trose@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA29709 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:08:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:08:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Anthony Rose To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BM critique/suggestions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I had a most insane and fun time at burning man...everyone has already told so many stories that I wont go into that...if you were wondering, my new housemate let us borrow her car late friday night so that we could go to BM, we were planning on hitchiking but she really saved the day! Thank you megan!!! everything below here is IMHO and not meant to offend etc...read on! I really hope to see burning man come back next year, but I think that there are some very serious things to consider before getting too excited about next year. I see my sentiments here on the list as well, first, the theme 'season in hell' was funny and exciting before I got there, but upon arriving in the playa...I realized, this place could really be a literal hell on earth for some people, what I mean is that the playa has a very HIGH LEVEL of potential DANGER and this should not be taken lightly, as the theme of the event sort of makes it out to be. Although there were plenty of warnings if you followed the "official" avenues of participating in the event, you probably knew what to expect. But we all know this is not the case for PLENTY of people who went Now you may say that well, that is their own fault they should follow the rules...(I wont even go into the irony of that one)...but we are talking about our brothers and sisters and our own lives here. The second important issue is all of the hype for the event this year. This has to do with 'undesireables' showing up at the event. By that I mean irresponsible people that will not respect the playa, or the people around them. My first thought on this was that just having such a bug commitment to drive into the desert, to be prepared to take care of yourself and not depend on anyone else, woulud keep alot of irresponsible people away. Which I think worked for the most part. I belive that this year was at a critical threshold, so much of the hype almost made it into some sort of spectacle thing that would draw the drunk frat party type to come and 'check it out dude' And lastly(or this is all I have really thought of as yet!) I think that the driving around in the dust is VERY SCARY and very dangerous...on my way out from the playa there weree people driving both directions with visibility so low that I was thankful to make that drive without being injured. I am so surprised by the few amounts of driving accidents that happened out there. I think that this is the NUMBER ONE thing that can be improved to make the playa a much more human friendly environment. My suggetions for how to do this. (btw If it happens I will definately be much more involved next year and I am willing to see these things through) 1.getting from the entrance to the mainn camp is a big problem...what to do...The best thing that I thought of was to have a big laser beam from the entrance pointing straight to the man. you always drive on the right of the laser. It is perfect for dusty environments. 2. having 2 camps so far away from eachother is just a bad idea not only logistically but even spiritually. keeping all the people in one place safe by the light and surrounding tents cars and drivers going from place to place is just a good idea. I would definately appreciate feedback on these ideas and any discussion on ways to make this safe for all of us to do what we want on the playa. I love you guys! * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* Tony Rose UC Berkeley CS http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~trose ************** ******* ***** *** ** * * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 17:24:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA00722; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA00713; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA00824; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:28:50 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609041728.ZM822@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:28:49 -0700 In-Reply-To: Rick Riffle "Re: Who died at BM?" (Sep 4, 2:31pm) References: <199609042131.OAA21762@franc.ucdavis.edu> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Rick Riffle , epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Who died at BM? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sep 4, 2:31pm, Rick Riffle wrote: > Subject: Re: Who died at BM? > One of the performers got drunk in Gerlach, and although his friends tried > to give him a ride, he insisted on driving back to camp himself on his > motorcycle. He was drunk and driving on the Playa at night with no head > lights. He ran head on into a slow moving truck and died instantly. :( the reliable word i heard was that they were playing chicken. he was decapitated in the accident. -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 17:24:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA00759; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stratacom.strata.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA00752; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Strata.COM (kiwi.strata.com) by stratacom.strata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Gatekeeper.Strata.Com-950201) id AA18260; Wed, 4 Sep 96 17:23:11 PDT Received: from orac.strata.com by Strata.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/StrataCom-GCA-Kiwi-931007-1) id AA02401; Wed, 4 Sep 96 17:23:03 PDT Received: by orac.strata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01564; Wed, 4 Sep 96 17:24:07 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 17:24:07 PDT From: jlawrenc@stratacom.com (Jeremy Lawrence) Message-Id: <9609050024.AA01564@orac.strata.com> To: wayne@club.net Subject: Re: NRR:Deserts Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Reply-To: jlawrenc@cisco.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk crusty wrote: > And in the case of the Playa, *nothing* lives there. *nothing*. Really? I saw a bit of indigenous life out there: mostly small crawling insects, the occasional larger insect, and even a dormouse near the edge of the playa late one night. It's not much, but it is more than "nothing". Jeremy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 17:24:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA00817; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA00798; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA00828; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:29:18 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609041729.ZM826@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:29:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) "Re: BM and soon to be homeless" (Sep 4, 2:46pm) References: <199609042146.OAA29708@netcom17.netcom.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis), knucklehead@club.net Subject: Re: BM and soon to be homeless Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well just tell mom that you have to be a christian to be a satanist On Sep 4, 2:46pm, Steve Simitzis wrote: > Subject: Re: BM and soon to be homeless > > > From: knucklehead@club.net (Knucklehead) > > > > Stuck in between a rock and a hard place. This is totally unlike my mom to > > do this, she's not even religous. O'well it happened. So if anyone knows of > > anything please let email my here or at (knucklehead@geocities.com) > > Moms get kind of funny when it comes to Satan. I remember once my mom > found a copy of the Satanic Bible in my guitar case when I was in high > school (I don't know what she was doing there). I wasn't interested in > Satanism; I was actually reading it just for laughs. > > Anyway, she had a total shitfit and couldn't look at me in the eye for > days. The funny thing is that she isn't religious either. > > Something about Mom and Satan. Never could figure it out. > > Steve > > -- > Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb > | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | > | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | > | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | > >-- End of excerpt from Steve Simitzis -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 17:26:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA00925; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA00919; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id RAA27422; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:25:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199609050025.RAA27422@netcom22.netcom.com> To: crusty cc: SFRaves Subject: Re: NRR: Re: NRR:Deserts In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 96 15:44:56 PDT." Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 17:25:53 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Diane Feinstein is the antichrist. Her and the Sierra Club are elitists who >would rather let you view nature (the desert in this case) from pictures >they've taken from their limos on the way to their next re-election >fundraiser/eco-wackery campaign. I agree that Diane Feinstein is bad (you're doing her too much justice calling her the antichrist, esp. after coming back from "a year in hell"). My main disagreement w/ D.F. is her "we must censor the internet because it can be used to teach people how to build bombs". Not her eco-stances. There are a lot of people that view nature as "theirs", that people as "stewards of the earth" can do what they will with the land. So they erode the soil, kill plants, scare wildlife, pollute, and generally make a mess out of something that belongs to everybody. > Short of clear-cutting, nature is fairly indestructable, and it is nothing > short of egotistical to think that, in the case of the desert, a small > number of people driving their cars over it will ruin it forever. "Desert" describes a wide range of landscapes. Not all desert is like Black Rock. For example in southern california, many semi-arid areas (aka Deserts) have been permanently eroded/destroyed because off-road vehicles (motorcycles, 4-WD, etc) have chewed up the protective vegetation (chapparal, scrub brush, dried grasses) and allowed rain to erode away the top-soil. Now you get flooding and mudslides every time a big rain storm hits. THen again, nobody gives a fuck about ecology in southern california, all they do is build build build on arid land that cannot support all those people and all that water usage. It's absolutely sickening what has happened to our beatiful natural coastal ranges betweeen san-diego and long beach. > And in the case of the Playa, *nothing* lives there. *nothing*. That's not true. Kim and I drove to the edges of the playa and found that plenty lives there as there are lots of natural springs that turn the completely arid playa into a place that supports some hardy vegetation and desert animals (squirrels, rabbits, lizards, snakes, etc). I also saw a few moths in our tent, a few butterflies flittering about, and some birds. I also got a big chunk-o-flesh bitten out of my leg by a weird horsefly (insects love drinking my blood, cuz I'm such a sweet guy) just after the man burned. There is definitely life out on the playa after Burning Man is just a long-lost memory. In terms of erosion, yes driving on the playa does erode. Take a look at all those dust clouds stirred up by driving. However, I would think that driving vehicles on the playa is a lot less ecologically destructive than driving a dirt bike on top of partially vegetated semi-arid hillsides of california. That is (IMHO) the kind of area that Diane Feinstein is showing concern for. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 17:29:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA01281; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA01265; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA00857; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:34:14 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609041734.ZM855@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:34:14 -0700 In-Reply-To: A-RON Steven "Burning Man Pics?" (Sep 4, 3:48pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: A-RON Steven , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Burning Man Pics? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk http://www.triptonite.com/bman96/ -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 17:31:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA01510; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA01490; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA00877; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:36:35 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609041736.ZM875@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:36:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: crusty "NRR: Re: NRR:Deserts" (Sep 4, 3:44pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: crusty , SFRaves Subject: Re: NRR: Re: NRR:Deserts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk there were bugs and bats this year on the playa. there were none that i can recall last year. On Sep 4, 3:44pm, crusty wrote: > Subject: NRR: Re: NRR:Deserts > At 3:31 PM -0700 9/4/96, KaySEE wrote: > >On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Maureen Garrett wrote: > > > >> was being dragged behind a car? A major kick in the ass to you for > >> unnecessary negative environmental inpact.... I pray it rains on the > >> playa soon...I had no idea that so many creatures dwelt there... It > > > >Deserts were long thought to be indestructible ecosystems because they > >appeared dead. However, ecologists now know this is not true. Deserts > >are actually very fragile. I know that the Mojave desert has about 1/2-1" > >of topsoil and if that is disturbed (like by cars ), opportunistic > >weeds invade and crowd out other life, thereby destroying the original > >ecosystem. Destroying the topsoil also allows for erosion to occur. > >This is what the Desert Protection Act that Diane Feinstein pushed > >through is about. I don't know anything about the ecology of the Black Rock > >desert, but it may be a similar situation. > > > >-KC > > Diane Feinstein is the antichrist. Her and the Sierra Club are elitists who > would rather let you view nature (the desert in this case) from pictures > they've taken from their limos on the way to their next re-election > fundraiser/eco-wackery campaign. > > Don't get me wrong. I love nature. But I want to see it with my eyes, not > theirs. > > Short of clear-cutting, nature is fairly indestructable, and it is nothing > short of egotistical to think that, in the case of the desert, a small > number of people driving their cars over it will ruin it forever. > > And in the case of the Playa, *nothing* lives there. *nothing*. > >-- End of excerpt from crusty -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 17:34:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA02031; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.pilot.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA01886; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from artemis.chiron.com (unknown-46-3.chiron.com [206.189.46.3]) by mail2.pilot.net with ESMTP id RAA13567 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mailmand@localhost) by artemis.chiron.com id QAA21214 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.chiron.com(165.140.1.144) by artemis.chiron.com via smap (V1.3) id sma021184; Wed Sep 4 16:16:13 1996 Received: from cc.chiron.com ([165.140.1.129]) by hermes.chiron.com with SMTP id RAA21707 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by cc.chiron.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 22E213F0; Wed, 4 Sep 96 17:39:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:25:51 -0700 Message-ID: <22E213F0.@cc.chiron.com> From: John_Robertson@cc.chiron.com (John Robertson) Subject: Aristotle on Burning Man .... To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "Mystery festivals should be unforgettable events, casting their shadows over the whole of one's future life, creating experiences that transform existence." - Aristotle "Whoosh, top weekend" - John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 17:44:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA03578; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA03571; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aoaioxxysz.organic.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA07437; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609050049.RAA07437@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> To: "Niels P. Mayer" cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: for next year at burning man In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 1996 15:49:58 PDT." <199609042249.PAA13582@netcom22.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 17:49:41 -0700 From: ozymandias G desiderata Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk niels == "Niels P. Mayer" niels> niels> enough drum circles.... how about a DRUM MACHINE CIRCLE?? niels> niels> We'll need a big mixing board (16, 32, or 48 channels of niels> stereo), lots of cable, amps, speakers and a big generator... Niels, for all of your crankiness, sometimes you come up with some BRILLIANT ideas. I'm all for this one. Anybody else? ozymandias PS -- of course, if we do this, we _must_ record it. I know of several record labels that would press it right away... . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . . ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Think "bus" (415)278-5674 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ:: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 17:56:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA04593; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA04581; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA21929; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:56:30 -0700 Received: (datura@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA29828; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:55:54 -0700 From: "datura@best.com" Message-Id: <199609050055.RAA29828@shellx.best.com> Subject: Re: NRR:Deserts To: jlawrenc@cisco.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9609050024.AA01564@orac.strata.com> from "Jeremy Lawrence" at Sep 4, 96 05:24:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jeremy Lawrence said > > crusty wrote: > > And in the case of the Playa, *nothing* lives there. *nothing*. > > Really? I saw a bit of indigenous life out there: mostly small crawling > insects, the occasional larger insect, and even a dormouse near the > edge of the playa late one night. It's not much, but it is more than > "nothing". > > Jeremy > don't forget all of those *dragonflys* they made me smile :) justin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 18:05:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA05392; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA05378; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccnet4.ccnet.com (root@ccnet4.ccnet.com [192.215.96.9]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA01981 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inanna.ccnet.com (h97-172.ccnet.com [192.215.97.172]) by ccnet4.ccnet.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA11608 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <322E26CB.7D1A@ccnet.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 18:03:07 -0700 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SF Raves Mailing List Subject: SteveO's pager number Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, Anyone out there know SteveOsac's pager number? D. 510 528 1612 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 18:27:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA07064; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA07054; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from martinko@localhost) by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id SAA06416; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:27:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." Subject: Re: for next year at burning man To: ezzevvravess In-Reply-To: <199609050049.RAA07437@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, ozymandias G desiderata wrote: > PS -- of course, if we do this, we _must_ record it. I know of several > record labels that would press it right away... hell, with a laptop and a cdrom burner, we could master it right on the playa. jmar. | J M R T N K O | fonstrosities and other toys by ILLGBLITY ENGNRING. | | D S G N E T C | JOHN-A MARTINKO, w. desk chief martinko@netcom.com | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 18:29:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA07267; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA07260; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA27625; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:28:04 -0700 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA02933; Wed, 4 Sep 96 18:28:03 PDT Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17052; Wed, 4 Sep 96 18:28:02 PDT From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9609050128.AA17052@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Re: for next year at burning man To: ogd@organic.com (ozymandias G desiderata) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 18:28:02 PDT Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199609050049.RAA07437@aoaioxxysz.organic.com>; from "ozymandias G desiderata" at Sep 4, 96 5:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > niels> enough drum circles.... how about a DRUM MACHINE CIRCLE?? > niels> > niels> We'll need a big mixing board (16, 32, or 48 channels of > niels> stereo), lots of cable, amps, speakers and a big generator... > > Niels, for all of your crankiness, sometimes you come up with some > BRILLIANT ideas. I'm all for this one. Anybody else? Sure. It would be nice to use the 707 for something worthwhile. One question though; who gets to be the master clock? We will be synced, right? Lee From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 18:30:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA07402; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nak.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA07360; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (ucdata.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.165.25]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA11514 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA16764; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:23:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Nancy Shaw Subject: Fund for Omar To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear SFRaves Family, I know Omar only from partying - one of those faces you keep seeing at parties. He is part of the Harmony crew, working to throw parties for all of us. He ALWAYS had a smile and a beautiful vibe each time I saw him :). Now he lies in a hospital bed, where he may remain for a year. I think all of us realize how precious life is and how it can be shattered in an instant, and how our daily problems pale in comparison to this. Let's all take a moment to think of someone else, and send whatever we can to the fund for Omar that Greg has set up. Money, cards, well-wishes, flowers, and lots of love will all go a long way to helping Omar, and especially his mother, in this time of anguish. Think of what it will mean to her to see what kind of friends her son has, and what kind of community he helped build! The address again: Omar c/o Harmony Productions P.O. Box 111084 Campbell, CA 95011-1084 Remember, we're a family. Let's band together right now to help a brother!! Love to you all, Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 18:53:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA09330; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA09319; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg131-024.ricochet.net [204.179.131.24]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA28130 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:53:44 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960905015317.006ca5b4@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 18:53:17 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: nrr: matt's random location of the day Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- as per normal, i've found myself in a random location, this time it's the pleasant hill bart station waiting for shawna to pick me up (not as wierd as stumbling blindly into the greek festival sunday, but certainly entertaining!). so, just wanted to say hello, and to let you know the following things: 1)someone just decided that life was so worthless that he/she decided to end his/her life by jumping in front of my bart train. in view of many recent events, let us all realize just how cool it is that we're alive, and if we find another who isn't sure that life is so cool, don't let that person sink to the level of extenguishing their life. i've been there, and it sucks, and if it weren't for my dad, i would have been that guy.(i'm not starting a flame war here about the right to extenguish your own life, so stay off my back). life's too short to end it on your own, someone else will probably do it for you. 2)the sunset is really cool here in pleasant hill. it's at that stage where if you're driving, it's just below the visor and right in your eyes. but while i'm not driving, it's beautiful, and pretty damn near perfect. pardon me while i stop and bask in the sun for a few moments. 3)life finally clicked for me this summer. fun job, good/new friends, killer parties, finally getting along with the mom and brothers, and a sense of freedom and joy i've never had before. so if anyone needs a little extra joy, give me a call cause somehow i ended up with a surplus! i think that concludes matt's utterly non rave related ranting: thanks for listening and being yourselves. lots of love- matt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 19:09:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA10417; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA10316; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA04645; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:08:49 -0700 Received: from ccMail by CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA841889350; Wed, 04 Sep 96 19:11:41 PST Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 19:11:41 PST From: "Ciaran O'Hara" Message-Id: <9608048418.AA841889350@CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." Subject: Re[2]: for next year at burning man Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ...with video mixed in real time by dimension 7.... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: for next year at burning man Author: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." at atlas Date: 9/4/96 6:58 PM On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, ozymandias G desiderata wrote: > PS -- of course, if we do this, we _must_ record it. I know of several > record labels that would press it right away... hell, with a laptop and a cdrom burner, we could master it right on the playa. jmar. | J M R T N K O | fonstrosities and other toys by ILLGBLITY ENGNRING. | | D S G N E T C | JOHN-A MARTINKO, w. desk chief martinko@netcom.com | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 19:15:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA12315; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA12307; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.91.97] (mmf27.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.97]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA21118; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:12:59 -0800 To: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Burning Man Moments (VERY long) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Next year? More shade, less food, bigger tent, more water, less beer. And >popsicles. and me! I feel sad for having missed it... didn't want to go until it was TOO LATE. Really concerned about the injuries; positive energy to erin and omar and all who didn't have the experience they expected (good luck with your parents tim!). smiles, see you all at BP and H3! -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 19:17:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA12934; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA12913; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id TAA03660; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:17:34 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id TAA12324; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:17:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jessica Robin Berkson Subject: what I lost at the house party To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi everybody- I think I left a green jansport backpack at ethans house- if anybody found it, please please please let me know (it's got my kick ass dancing shoes in it and other kinds of goodies....:) -jess From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 19:20:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA14280; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA14023; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:19:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from saclink3.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA27426; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:43:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by saclink3.csus.edu (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA085034218; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:43:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:43:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: My Burning Man 96 To: sfraves Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:19:55 -0700 (PDT) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Before I start, my love and energy goes to those injured... My experience was kind of what John Darrow had talked about: I was waiting to feel what I felt at last year's festival. I still had lots of fun, but it was a "been there, done that" type of feeling. I think there were WAY too many people this year, and I think Burning Man 96 will be my final one. With more people come more idiots, and there were obviously many. So I camped at Syntonic, which was 50 or so yards from vwcamp. Vince and Wayne constructed a tower of two bright blue lights with smaller flashy ones below the blue ones. It made finding camp very easy. They also put up a solar powered bubble making tower. Tres cool. There was music all afternoon, courtesy of BioJeff's spinning and Jason Lundy's sound system. Thanks guys! I loved how the ravers of main camp were very unified and had camped together, creating a tent and RV city. I saw many lonely camps only one or two tents - and this was in main camp! I love the togetherness of our family. The Chai Tea room was very *VERY* nice. I love how ravers have really contributed to the Burning Man experience. There was lovely Intelligent Drum & Bass being played as I sipped my exotic drink. I think the rave community has finally been accepted and embraced by the other Burning Man goers - I actally heard beats from the main stage, which never happened last year! Friday night was spent at rave camp and I checked out Gateway and Wicked. Wicked was sounding too clubby at first, so we hung out at Gateway for awhile. BioJeff got to play, and he got the crowd going off! Later that night, we ventured back to Wicked, and the music really improved alot. Saturday night I spent it all at CCC. Damn, they're great! At 11 pm they had an hour long ceremony/dance. IT was very pagan and primitave and gypsy-like. there were people on stilts, walking around like it was nothing, and twirling giant fire sticks. The dancing was gorgeous and the music was powerful digeridoos. Then the full on goa trance all night. I would LOVE to attend a CCC party! There were still lots of people trancing out when we went back to camp at 7am. I happened to love the CCC camp decorations. I told someone that Wicked & Gateway were glamorous rave setups while CCC's looked like industrial wasteland. Each camp looked exactly like the music and feeling it produced. I had a great time, but I think this will be my last. I want to always have good memories, and not over try by going again next year (if there is one!) love to all, Amy |> | |\ | | \| |> Amy Starkey | \ | sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu <| |\ | .................................. | \| |> "Can't tell the real from reflection | \ | When all these faces look the same to me" <| |\ | | \| DURAN DURAN | .................................. <| From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 19:22:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA15490; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA15256; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from kafka.cks.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA26882; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:10:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [206.152.42.32] by kafka.cks.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA21518 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:20:16 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:19:35 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: patrick@kafka.cks.com (Farley, Patrick ) Subject: Re: BM and soon to be homeless ReSent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:22:20 -0700 (PDT) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Knucklehead wrote: >She said she found my yellow paper on Burning Man (the one some of you my have >gotten prior to BM) and said Burning Man was about Worshiping Satan. And >was reading out loud about Hell and Papa Satan going to fart fire and have >people sit on his lap and all the other Satan things it talked about. Dear Knucklehead, Your mom needs a lesson in irony. The "Hell" motif at Burning Man was about as legitimately "Satanic" as a high school marching band whose mascot is the Red Devil. For that matter, does she boycott Underwood Deviled Ham for using a tiny red devil as their logo? What about Li'l Devil snack cakes, the Dust Devil vacuum appliance, Red Devil toilet bowl cleaner, etc.? If it helps at all, explain to her that hell-demon-devil iconography is commonplace in our society and is of no religious significance. I personally laughed my ass off at the "Helco" performance. This was a satire of Corporate America and it ended with Helco and its subsidiary companies being blown up. Is this Satan worship? No, it's the wicked fun of seeing a mini-mall burned to the ground. Try to explain to your mom that the hell motif was multi-layered; it added to our enjoyment of the daytime heat and the "naughty" fun of watching things blown up at night. Tell her that in our own fun little way we were "rebelling" against the soul-negating Mass Society and the "hell" motif simply spiced it up. Tell her that we were all adults out there and we have a convoluted sense of humor that allows us to laugh at ourselves for eating charrerd, bloody "Mad Cow" hamburgers from a restaurant called McSatan's in the middle of a blistering desert. Tell her all these things, and if she doesn't get it or won't listen, I think she has a deeper issue than simply being concerned for your immortal soul. I hope this works out! peace, pf ________________________________________________________________________ patrick s. farley http://www.resort.com/~prime8 "You have to choose between making money or making sense, because the two are mutually exclusive." -- R. Buckminster Fuller ________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 19:23:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA15849; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA15477; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:22:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from saclink3.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA04441; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:22:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by saclink3.csus.edu (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA095188525; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:22:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: burning man To: Ken Lawrence Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <322D566F.1790@pacificnet.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:22:32 -0700 (PDT) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ken: I loved your setup! There was some great music coming out of that van. I got your catalogue. Can you reccommend any Intelligent Drum & Bass Cds and/or tapes? I heard such incredible ID&B at the Chai Hut and I would LOVE to have some music. > Also, can anyone tell me who the female DJ was Sunday night > at the Wicked camp? I'm not as familiar with SF DJs as I am LA djs. Most likely it was Tracy. She's teriffic. But I wasn't actually at Wicked Sunday night, so I am just making a guess. love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 20:14:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA19372; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA19360; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp050-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.50]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id UAA21458 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:13:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960904201803.00945efc@pop.sirius.com> X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:18:06 -0700 To: SFRaves From: Drift Subject: harmony 3 year Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Also, the Harmony crew has decided that since Omar was (and still >is) an original member of the Harmony crew, that ALL profits (if any) >from the 3 year anniversary will go directly to Omar & his family. well, this should provide added incentive to all you people who were deliberating on whether or not to go to harmony 3 year, or BP on friday. if nothing else, go to support omar and his family. and if you know you are going to go, please buy your tickets soon. the harmony crew puts all their money back into their parties, and as such don't have a big fat bank account... so the advance ticket sales go towards paying off some of the initial costs. even if $20 seems like a lot of money, please make the effort to scrape together the cash. in light of the recent tragedy, harmony needs all the support we can give them. -brendan- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 20:18:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA19650; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plague.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA19644; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dlb@localhost) by plague.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA02945; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:18:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:18:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bayer To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: rave camp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Rave camp this year didn't work out as well as a few of us had hoped. There were problems that could have been solved if the systems had worked together as a rave camp instead of systems on the playa. Even the collective I was a part of could have done better. This year, we had separate tribes out on the playa, and when one tribe offered my tribe use of their genny (because the playa ate the one I brought and one of SPAZ's), we as a collective decided it should remain by the SPAZ encampment, which was outside the circle of the camp. Spreading rave camp out to individual camps was a mistake - it destroyed much of what makes a festival a festival because everything was so separated. Because there were separate encampments, any provisions we had made for driving in camp were thrown out the window. Last year, there was a camp and highway formed between the camp and the CCC(were they called CCC back then?)/Gateway/SPAZ/Rig-a-tony (well, while he left his gear there) system. There was a danger area, but it was known and it could be avoided. This year, there was a lot of empty space, and little cooperation or even communication between systems - in essence, there was little community. I am basised here because I am part of SPAZ, the flakiest, most problem plagued system I know of (but also one of the most on top of shit, got their head sorted, good willed group of people I have come in contact with) and am friends of some of the people who make up Gateway, but I think Gateway did their best to work with people and SPAZ was open to just about anything (as our presentation of music demonstrated a bit) - except moving once more.... I didn't get that feeling from everyone and I ask those involved (if they are around) to look at how you approached the festival - did you all plan a rave camp or a camp with a bunch of systems? Did you go check out anyone else's thing? Did you care? And because of this, we ran into problems... To a concern degree I am a medic. I think I am medic because when I was about 10 years old, I was buying a birthday present for my mom when the security guard at Arthur's on Route 22 in new jersey keeled over and had a heart attack. It took 15 minutes for the cops to get there and another 30 for an ambulance to get there... This is on a major highway in a populated center. Monday morning I was climbing into bed to curl up with someone when a swoosh went past my big dome, maybe 10 feet from our heads. We saw a blue car go by the tent door and behind a silver vw rabbit, then a thud and a louder thud. My and my girlfriend looked at each other and asked each other and asked if that really just happened. Then a scream. Out of the door and found three people hurt, beyond what I can attempt to treat with my beefed-up med-kit. Grab the radio from Claire to call into Earthbound, the people who come out to burning man to provide free medical care for those that get injured or injure themselves out of stupidity. All weekend long, not a single injury did I see, no rebar wounds, no one overly dehydrated to a serious level, not until then... I found Black Rock Rangers on the playa who lost their wits and could have injured people worse, I saw Black Rock Rangers who were cool as ice and made the medivac go smoothly, I saw Rangers in between the two extremes. I found some people to find me cold and calous as I asked them to take a piece of watermeleon and eat it if they could after the medivac left because otherwise, they might be leaving in a similiar way in the increasing hotter daytime sun. And from my experience I have this to say. Each and every one of us is responsible for our actions. In every situation whether it be driving a car, to trying to provide help to people who are hurt, to setting up a rave, to dancing with your fellow people, YOU are responsible for how you conduct yourself and only YOU can tell when you are out of league and can no longer help a situation. It is each of our responsibility to make sure we don't cross over the line of what we can handle, and so goes with that, each of us most know where that line lies or at least error on the side of cation when we don't know exactly where it lies. At the end of the day, shit happens, and I hope that there are going to be people out there that can handle it and try and make it better to a degree - I have tried to equip myself to be one of those people. I believe to this day that things like burning man are needed. That giving people the room to go out and take their freedom is necessary before we all forget why laws are there and senseless campaigns continue because of false propangda that no one will know why they are fighting against. I also feel extremely strongly that bringing people out into the woods to party where they have to make some effort to be a part of the party, where they have to take some responsibility for themselves as part of the party, helps to culture some of this awareness in people. I don't believe laws can help this, because laws do not include why they were made, and people forgot. If people forget why the law was brought about, it has no meaning and why then with so many shit laws or out of date laws, should it be observed?! While I cannot force this stuff into people, because there is no way they could understand it if I did and more importantly, it is not my responsibility or desire to force it into anyone but myself, I hope my words will have meaning to some... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 20:42:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA22038; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA22033; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp050-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.50]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id UAA22372 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:40:55 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960904204555.0093d8e0@pop.sirius.com> X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:45:57 -0700 To: SFRaves From: Drift Subject: they are talking to me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk strange noise coming through my speakers. i hear distorted voices, and the cd player has stopped spinning. twilight zone stuff. -brendan- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 20:52:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA22667; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA22660; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24128; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.249] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15925; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:52:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199609050049.RAA07437@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> References: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 1996 15:49:58 PDT." <199609042249.PAA13582@netcom22.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:48:47 -0700 To: ozymandias G desiderata , "Niels P. Mayer" From: Wayne Correia Subject: Re: for next year at burning man Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 5:49 PM -0700 9/4/96, ozymandias G desiderata wrote: > niels == "Niels P. Mayer" > niels> > niels> enough drum circles.... how about a DRUM MACHINE CIRCLE?? > niels> > niels> We'll need a big mixing board (16, 32, or 48 channels of > niels> stereo), lots of cable, amps, speakers and a big generator... > >Niels, for all of your crankiness, sometimes you come up with some >BRILLIANT ideas. I'm all for this one. Anybody else? > >ozymandias > >PS -- of course, if we do this, we _must_ record it. I know of several >record labels that would press it right away... Oh gosh, I never record anything * :-) * -- and I have the CDROM burner, too. ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia +1.415.826.6000 FAX +1.415.826.6100 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 21:01:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA23259; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA23252; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Sami Khoury Message-Id: <199609050401.VAA23252@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: they are talking to me To: erase99@sirius.com (Drift) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <3.0b11.32.19960904204555.0093d8e0@pop.sirius.com> from "Drift" at Sep 4, 96 08:45:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > strange noise coming through my speakers. i hear distorted voices, > and the cd player has stopped spinning. > twilight zone stuff. Might just be radio frequencies bleeding through. The "Acutex Stereo Disco Mixer" (tm) I use for mixing does something similar :) Sami From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 21:08:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA23824; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plague.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA23819; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dlb@localhost) by plague.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA03191; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:08:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:08:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bayer To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: responsibility does not = laws In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, John S. Lee wrote: > Adam, I was not being negative or cynical. I was very upset to hear that > two 17 year old KIDS got hurt by an asshole on the playa. I was also hurt > and angered at some people's reaction to potentially two peoples lives > being ended. There is very little positive, IMO, that can be said about > the event. Sorry. I have great contempt for those who find the good in > everything, no matter what. > > Two people may have lost their lives, but I had a great time at the > BM...c'mon. Two kids might not ever get to another BM...these are kids by > all accounts. > > Oh well, the party must go on? I certainly hope not. This thing was > billed as "Hell", maybe next time people might not want to tempt fate so > directly. Just my superstitious .02. People die every fucking day all around the city. How often does anyone pay an old bum mind as they pass on the street? How did the bum get there? Maybe it was no fault of their own and mostly likely they will die through no fault of their own out on the street alone. oh well, poor fucking bum. How often do you pay heed to kids who got HIV a while back before it was know what it was; they will die of their bodies eating them from the inside out; oh well, they had sex and made a choice, poor fucking kids - hey honey, let's go make love tonight. How often... Burning Man is not just a party. It is now filled with all of the same shit that life is filled with, except that people are trying to work together. > Happy happy, Joy Joy BS is not going to lessen the hurt the parents will > feel if their daughter and son are not retuerned home safely. If *I* were > the parents of those two kids, I would make damn sure there would never be > another event like this ever. And by any means necessary. I can say this, > the event will never be the same for me and others. I seriously hope the parents who would demand this to be regulated have taught their childern to make their own decisions. To weigh risks for themselves because this is the shit that is destroying us. We sit and DEMAND legislation to protect us. Well guess what, that isn't the government's job. YOU have to decide for yourself if it is too risky and make sure that those you bring into this world can make those same decisions. Whether it be if a hit of acid (or any drug) is approaite for you in those conditions or at all, or if moving to California is a good decision. How is making Burning Man illegal any better than illegalizing abortion or drugs? > My sources indicate that it was not minimal. But I cannot speak from > heresy. Let those who know what had REALLY happened speak. You are out > there and you know the truth. Expose it to the light. I have in a previous post, read it if you care to. I can also say that the guy driving the blue car I have seen at parties and I seem to remember talking to at one point. So you have what happened, the only person who can tell you much more is in police custody and probably will not be back in California for a while... > Anyway I believe the loss was great, and as such this, IMO, is no time now > to find the good of BM.. It sucked because people got hurt. Deflecting > attention from that very REAL fact is just more escapism. No, the espacism comes from focusing on the hurt of Burning Man and failing to realize that the same shit is happening everyday all around you only way worse. People got hurt, people will get hurt. We live and we die. I hope I don't die too soon. I hjope even more that I do not get hurt in a way that when I come back, I am totally different. And even more I hope that people take the specific lesson from the situation that caused me to get into a predictament and not take too general a lesson, because then my pain is wasted on will some day no doubtedly be repeated over and over and over because no one can see why doing such and such can lead to that situation. > Two people might not ever get a chance to talk about their experiences at > BM. Why not reflect on that, or is that all too real? Why not reflect on the same things going on in our cities today? Or is the fact the world is far overpopulated too real. That having a child, one of the supposed greatest pleasures we can have is causing harm? Why not reflect on the fact that in looking only at the outcome, we miss the lesson... Why not reflect on the fact that those two people might never get to talk about their experiences because someone get in a car and drove when either they were fucked up or too tired. How often do each of us do that? Why not reflect on that for a moment or is that getting to close to home? If not, then great. You do not have a lesson to learn, but if it is, then maybe this is an incentive to stop driving when too fucked up or too tired... Each of us knows when we are too fucked up (this includes tiredness) for the most part, why not change that?! > Rhetorical. Force of predestination? I do not believe in predestination. > I believe in cause & effect. 15,000 people, drugs, booze, and the theme of > Hell/chaos = a formula for something really bad happening to someone there. > That IS what I know at this point. I am tired of hearing that so many people together with this and that equals disaster. I have been to festivals in the UK and seen it work. So are we saying 15,000 Americans, booze, drugs and a choatic theme equals disataster?! Fine, then let's get off our asses and start changing Americans to be more responsible for themselves so we don't have to keep babysitting each new generation. dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 21:09:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA23961; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccnet4.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA23956; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inanna.ccnet.com (h97-172.ccnet.com [192.215.97.172]) by ccnet4.ccnet.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA12442 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <322E523F.3B4E@ccnet.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 21:08:31 -0700 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: [Fwd: SteveO's pager number] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <322E26CB.7D1A@ccnet.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 18:03:07 -0700 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SF Raves Mailing List Subject: SteveO's pager number Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Anyone out there know SteveOsac's pager number? D. 510 528 1612 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 21:23:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA25262; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA25252; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA04874; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:23:05 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199609050423.VAA04874@netcom16.netcom.com> Subject: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:23:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] I think Niels' idea of a drum machine circle is too good to be kept in the realm of "just kidding" ! Also, I think it should be tried out before the next Burning Man! Of course, there's no rush - just thinking about the idea for awhile brings up some questions: 1. Should there be a master clock signal? 2. A "conductor" who runs the master clock? Maybe folks could take turns conducting, maybe in 15 minute or 1/2 hour time periods. 3. Would the conductor have mixing powers, or does everyone who shows up get equal volume into the mix? 4. Besides the drum machine/rhythm boxes/PCs w/soundboards & sequencers/ whatever electronic drum & bass, should there be some other folks jamming on top of it? Maybe two recordings could be made simulateously - one for just the drum machines, and another for the drum machines and the musical/quasi-musical/trippy/industrial/ambient stuff being jammed to the drum & bass. I like playing around with concepts! Now I'll have to actually go and buy a drum machine - maybe one of those portable Yamaha or Boss units.... Larry "recovering from caffiene withdrawl" Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 21:35:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA26485; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA26479; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dougie@localhost) by apollo.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA28879 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:35:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: apollo.sfsu.edu: dougie owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Deep X-Sender: dougie@apollo To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Burning Man and Photo Story Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey everyone, Burning Man seems to me like one of those experiences in my life I will not soon forget. The whole weekend, the camping, the sun, the people, the desert, the heat, the night, the fire, the music, the man burning, all incredible. On Sunday morning dancing to Monty while the sun rised was one of the most magical "rave" moments I have ever had. That in four years of partying on the E. and W. Coast. The whole event was amazing. I really can't say anything more about it. I also have done a photo story about it for the SF State Golden Gater. All State students and people who can get the paper checkkit out! doug ) ( dougie@sfsu.edu From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 21:36:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA26782; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stratacom.strata.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA26774; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Strata.COM (kiwi.strata.com) by stratacom.strata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Gatekeeper.Strata.Com-950201) id AA22092; Wed, 4 Sep 96 21:36:06 PDT Received: from orac.strata.com by Strata.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/StrataCom-GCA-Kiwi-931007-1) id AA15900; Wed, 4 Sep 96 21:35:57 PDT Received: by orac.strata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01622; Wed, 4 Sep 96 21:36:58 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 21:36:58 PDT From: jlawrenc@stratacom.com (Jeremy Lawrence) Message-Id: <9609050436.AA01622@orac.strata.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, doof-l@cia.com.au Subject: Re: [NRR] CIA and government misinformation Reply-To: jlawrenc@cisco.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ages ago I wrote: > A good book i've just read is > _Ruses for War: American Interventionalism Since World War II_ > which is a moderate, broadly-researched book on wars. And how the CIA > misleads the president and the media about them, the president misleads > congress about them, and the media misleads the public about them. Very > scary stuff, and highly recommended. I can dig up more details (like > the author's name :) if anyone's interested. _The Ruses for War: American Interventionism Since World War II_, John Quigley, Prometheus 1992. ISBN 0-87975-767-1 If you have trouble finding it, maybe try the publisher: Prometheus Books, 59 John Glenn Drive, Buffalo NY 14228, USA. Ph +1-716-837-2475 Fax +1-716-835-6901 Jeremy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 21:56:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA28362; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA28355; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA23000; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:56:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:56:08 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609050456.VAA23000@netcom2.netcom.com> To: erase99@sirius.com In-reply-to: <3.0b11.32.19960904002143.0093bc68@pop.sirius.com> (message from Erase on Wed, 04 Sep 1996 00:21:46 -0700) Subject: BM photos!!! (was: Re: BM PICS Wanted) CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My precious BM96 photos have survived the evil clutches of Wal*Mart, and they are not bad. In fact, some of them are damn good. All I need now are a scanner and a web site. However, I was little dismayed to find that some pictures that I *definitely* remember taking are not there, including the lovely and charming Amy Starkey and her pal Mel, Jason smoking *** in the RV, various shots of VW campers, tons of naked muddy people shots, and other stuff. Between the missing shots (and the fact that the colors were not what I expected), I would strongly advise others to avoid the the Wal*Mart 1 hour photo torture chamber. I don't know what I was thinking. But anyway, I'll bring the good ones with me to Beautiful People and Harmony 3 year, so just look around for me. Steve ps. SteveO: You and your girlfriend are the most adorable couple on earth :) -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 22:24:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA00350; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adnetsol.adnetsol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA00345; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwright.adnetsol.com (Dialup2p168.adnetsol.com [204.140.150.168]) by adnetsol.adnetsol.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA17646; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:24:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199609050524.WAA17646@adnetsol.adnetsol.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Ross Wright" Organization: King Media and RW Marketing To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:29:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Ross Wright" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Or About: 4 Sep 96 at 21:23, Larry Ching wrote: > I think Niels' idea of a drum machine circle is too good to be kept > in the realm of "just kidding" > > Larry "recovering from caffiene withdrawl" Ching/larryc@netcom.com I know I would be up for something like this. Talk about poly-rhythmic! Ross From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 22:50:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA01770; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA01765; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from voltaire@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id WAA00884; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:50:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Modulator Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Ross Wright wrote: > On Or About: 4 Sep 96 at 21:23, Larry Ching wrote: > > I think Niels' idea of a drum machine circle is too good to be kept > > in the realm of "just kidding" > > > > Larry "recovering from caffiene withdrawl" Ching/larryc@netcom.com > > I know I would be up for something like this. Talk about > poly-rhythmic! > > Ross This is a blast!!! Me & some friends did this a while back. But we only had one drum machine/module. Please wait till I get there :) on the 29th. we had one person do the sequencing from his PC, then the rest of us twiddled knobs. It was totally crazy. We recorded it but it's a little rough around the edges. But then again we mixed it through a couple of cascaded DJ mixers.... Nasty! PLUR, gavin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 23:04:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA02627; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA02620; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id XAA16041; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:04:33 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id XAA18130; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:04:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:04:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: burning man close call To: abema cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <322DFA1D.76AA@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, abema wrote: > i had an arguement with a 20 foot steel pole and the doctor said i won:) blessed be From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 23:04:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA02668; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adnetsol.adnetsol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA02661; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwright.adnetsol.com (Dialup2p168.adnetsol.com [204.140.150.168]) by adnetsol.adnetsol.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA18458; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:05:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199609050605.XAA18458@adnetsol.adnetsol.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Ross Wright" Organization: King Media and RW Marketing To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, Modulator Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:09:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? CC: larryc@netcom.com X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Ross Wright" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Or About: 4 Sep 96 at 22:50, Modulator wrote: > On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Ross Wright wrote: > > On Or About: 4 Sep 96 at 21:23, Larry Ching wrote: > > > I think Niels' idea of a drum machine circle > > > > I know I would be up for something like this. Talk about > > poly-rhythmic! > > > > Ross > > This is a blast!!! Me & some friends did this a while back. But we only > had one drum machine/module. Please wait till I get there :) on the 29th. I am in the Ventura area until the 20th. If anyone wants to set this up, I have been a drummer since I was 10 so you can count me in! I have a huge collection of toys that make good sounds, and I'm sure I have an old drum machine laying around some where... Ross From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 23:15:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA03571; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom12.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA03564; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id XAA03833; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:15:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:15:06 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609050615.XAA03833@netcom12.netcom.com> To: rwright@adnetsol.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com, voltaire@netcom.com, larryc@netcom.com In-reply-to: <199609050605.XAA18458@adnetsol.adnetsol.com> (rwright@adnetsol.com) Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [nasty header snipped] > > On Or About: 4 Sep 96 at 22:50, Modulator wrote: > > > On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Ross Wright wrote: > > > On Or About: 4 Sep 96 at 21:23, Larry Ching wrote: > > > > I think Niels' idea of a drum machine circle > > > > > > I know I would be up for something like this. Talk about > > > poly-rhythmic! > > > > > > Ross > > > > This is a blast!!! Me & some friends did this a while back. But we only > > had one drum machine/module. Please wait till I get there :) on the 29th. > > I am in the Ventura area until the 20th. If anyone wants to set > this up, I have been a drummer since I was 10 so you can count me in! > I have a huge collection of toys that make good sounds, and I'm sure > I have an old drum machine laying around some where... > > Ross > Let's make this happen. This is the coolest idea I've heard in a while. Of course, it could sound like total sludge, but I think it'd be fun to try to tweak out some phunky rhythms. I have two drum machines in case anyone comes empty handed. So are the bass patches on drum machines fair game, too? Or only precussion. Someone just make a date and bring some amps! Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 23:23:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA04234; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA04228; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id XAA16942; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:23:08 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id XAA18582; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:23:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:23:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Re[2]: for next year at burning man To: "Ciaran O'Hara" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." In-Reply-To: <9608048418.AA841889350@CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Ciaran O'Hara wrote: with proceeds to go to Omar's healing fund? -=*=- ~ > ...with video mixed in real time by dimension 7.... > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: for next year at burning man > Author: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." at atlas > Date: 9/4/96 6:58 PM > > > On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, ozymandias G desiderata wrote: > > > PS -- of course, if we do this, we _must_ record it. I know of several > > record labels that would press it right away... > > hell, with a laptop and a cdrom burner, we could master it right on the > playa. > > jmar. > > | J M R T N K O | fonstrosities and other toys by ILLGBLITY ENGNRING. | > | D S G N E T C | JOHN-A MARTINKO, w. desk chief martinko@netcom.com | > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 23:35:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA05085; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hal.mobius.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA05079; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x-radio.mobius.net by hal.mobius.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0uyZtY-000JKYC; Thu, 5 Sep 96 01:34 PDT Message-ID: <322E752C.4FEA@mobius.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 23:37:32 -0700 From: pauly Organization: x-radio X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: jungle/breakbeat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Help me out: I'm trying to figure out where this CD I have fits into the musical realm. Can anybody help me distinguish between jungle and breakbeat? Are they similar? FYI: the album is "Deeper Wider Smoother Shit" by james Hardway. Label is Hydrogen Dukebox. Thanks in advance, pauly x-radio http://www.x-radio.com/x-radio/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 4 23:37:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA05247; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA05239; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id XAA17735; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:37:45 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id XAA18773; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:37:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:37:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? To: Steve Simitzis cc: rwright@adnetsol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, voltaire@netcom.com, larryc@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <199609050615.XAA03833@netcom12.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Steve Simitzis wrote: does anyone have a midi to analog interface that would work with a Yamaha CS-15 (analog synth)? I would love to be synched uppped and knob/slider twiddling. =) I know PAIA makes them but I can't stretch my budget enough in that direction as yet. Peace, Ran -=*=- ~ > > [nasty header snipped] > > > > On Or About: 4 Sep 96 at 22:50, Modulator wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Ross Wright wrote: > > > > On Or About: 4 Sep 96 at 21:23, Larry Ching wrote: > > > > > I think Niels' idea of a drum machine circle > > > > > > > > I know I would be up for something like this. Talk about > > > > poly-rhythmic! > > > > > > > > Ross > > > > > > This is a blast!!! Me & some friends did this a while back. But we only > > > had one drum machine/module. Please wait till I get there :) on the 29th. > > > > I am in the Ventura area until the 20th. If anyone wants to set > > this up, I have been a drummer since I was 10 so you can count me in! > > I have a huge collection of toys that make good sounds, and I'm sure > > I have an old drum machine laying around some where... > > > > Ross > > > > > Let's make this happen. This is the coolest idea I've heard in a > while. Of course, it could sound like total sludge, but I think it'd > be fun to try to tweak out some phunky rhythms. I have two drum > machines in case anyone comes empty handed. > > So are the bass patches on drum machines fair game, too? Or only > precussion. > > Someone just make a date and bring some amps! > > Steve > > -- > Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb > | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | > | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | > | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 00:05:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA07215; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay4.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id AAA07210; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbfuy07526; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 03:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp103.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20255; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:10:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:10:44 -0700 Message-Id: <9609050710.AA20255@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) From: Aryck Subject: Re: BM and soon to be homeless Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 02:46 PM 9/4/96 -0700, you wrote: > >> From: knucklehead@club.net (Knucklehead) >> >> Stuck in between a rock and a hard place. This is totally unlike my mom to >> do this, she's not even religous. O'well it happened. So if anyone knows of >> anything please let email my here or at (knucklehead@geocities.com) > >Moms get kind of funny when it comes to Satan. I remember once my mom >found a copy of the Satanic Bible in my guitar case when I was in high >school (I don't know what she was doing there). I wasn't interested in >Satanism; I was actually reading it just for laughs. > >Anyway, she had a total shitfit and couldn't look at me in the eye for >days. The funny thing is that she isn't religious either. > >Something about Mom and Satan. Never could figure it out. > >Steve > >-- >Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb > | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | > | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | > | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | > > It seems as though society doesn't accept people who are gods of their own. We have to live in our own worlds in fear of being constantly scrutinized by holidays and jehova's witnesses. Even schools promote christianity (though most aren't supposed to). As always, people are afraid of what they don't understand but if you're afraid of something, you probably won't try to understand it and by that time, you're just all fu*k*d. Aryck [Settings] SavePasswordText= SaveDialupPasswordText= LastSettingsCategory=0 RealName=Aryck POPAccount=mxman@illuminati.heald.edu [Open Windows] OpenWindow1=7,3,1 [Recent File List] File1=C:\EUDORA1\signatur.pce From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 01:34:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id BAA13246; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id BAA13239; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from martinko@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id BAA00454; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:34:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." Reply-To: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? To: ezzevvravess In-Reply-To: <199609050423.VAA04874@netcom16.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Larry Ching wrote: > 3. Would the conductor have mixing powers, or does everyone who shows up > get equal volume into the mix? i think there should definitely be someone on the board, if for nothing else than to keep the sound from turning into a muddy mess. of course, there might be grumbling if someone is completely muted out (with 10 drum machines going, could you tell?), but i think there must be *some* volume control. perhaps each person could be assigned a specific set of drums, much like an orchestra. person a gets the kick drums, b gets the snares, c gets the cymbals, etc. that way mixing might be a little more straightforward. we'd be the sfraves philharmonic orchestra. > 4. Besides the drum machine/rhythm boxes/PCs w/soundboards & sequencers/ > whatever electronic drum & bass, should there be some other folks > jamming on top of it? Maybe two recordings could be made simulateously - > one for just the drum machines, and another for the drum machines and > the musical/quasi-musical/trippy/industrial/ambient stuff being jammed > to the drum & bass. whoa, whoa, one thing at a time. unless someone wants to spring for a 48-channel desk (and unless someone is good at running one), i think we need to see if the drum machines will work. percussion often being the most complex part, if it works, then more should work on top of it. perhaps we should compile a list of the equipment available for this. i have a kawai xd-5 module. just a keyboard to control it with though. a friend (not on sfraves) has an Alesis D4 and a bunch of pads (and a 16-channel mixer). he might be into joining us. jmar! | J M R T N K O | fonstrosities and other toys by ILLGBLITY ENGNRING. | | D S G N E T C | JOHN-A MARTINKO, w. desk chief martinko@netcom.com | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 02:07:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id CAA16197; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id CAA16190; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pu93.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU (pu93.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.99.93]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA09840 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pu93.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9ACE.E815BDA0@pu93.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU>; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: <01BB9ACE.E815BDA0@pu93.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU> From: Ethan Lindsey To: "'San Francisco Raves'" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:06:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi everyone! I am realtively new to the whole raving thing, although when I lived in = L.A. I attended a couple of raves, and one of my friends threw one that = was an absolute blast(it was called 'escape'). anywayz, i am trying to = get into actually making some shit so i wanna know what i should buy in = terms of equipment(drum machines, synths, etc...) any thing in any price = range, but the cheaper the better ;) . be nice, ethan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 02:44:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id CAA22391; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id CAA22386; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA19655; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:44:43 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960905094444.0075e590@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 02:44:44 -0700 To: Aryck , simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis), knucklehead@club.net (Knucklehead) From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: BM and soon to be homeless Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oh no, my son; the satanist =>; we love you Tim peace brian ps If your absolutely homeless you can flop here for a few days, kitten will have to clear medical before I can ok that; feline diseases are deadly; if your a cat From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 02:47:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id CAA22529; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id CAA22524; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA00208; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:46:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:46:54 -0400 Message-ID: <960905054654_194813472@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: trose@uclink2.berkeley.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: BM critique/suggestions Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think the laser guide idea is great. I also think there should have been more emphasis on safety in the newsletter, if not even a whole seperate sheet handed out upon arrival. If you get a chance Tony run these by the BM guys, maybe via their website. Insist on a response & let them know how concerned we are. I would be willing to pay a few extra bucks for the laser and maybe a shuttle bus. -StEvEo P.S. I think the laser gets disperssed too much after a couple miles though. P.S.S. If you hear from them, see if they will put up a word on their site about the fund for Omar too. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 02:47:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id CAA22563; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id CAA22556; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:47:38 -0700 (PDT) From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA03915 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:47:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:47:06 -0400 Message-ID: <960905054705_194813483@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Omar-need last name Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I really hope that anyone who can even possibly afford it makes a donation, if only a few dollars to this cause. However, there was no last name given to make a check out to. Can someone post that, thanks. -S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 02:48:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id CAA22621; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id CAA22614; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:48:21 -0700 (PDT) From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA28017; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:46:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:46:47 -0400 Message-ID: <960905054646_194813459@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: randream@cats.ucsc.edu, simitzis@netcom.com cc: rwright@adnetsol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, voltaire@netcom.com, larryc@netcom.com Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Count me in! Hold one of them machines for me too! =StEvEo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 03:49:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id DAA27635; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 03:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id DAA27628; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 03:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id DAA14424; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 03:49:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 03:49:00 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609051049.DAA14424@netcom8.netcom.com> To: caliban@organic.com CC: knucklehead@club.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: <9609041729.ZM826@tempest.organic.com> (caliban@organic.com) Subject: Re: BM and soon to be homeless (quickly approaching NRR) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk And as long as we're on the topic of Satan, A True Example of someone with way too much time on their hands: Given: BARNEY=A CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR. Prove: BARNEY IS SATANIC. The ancient Romans had no letter U they used V instead so... BARNEY=A CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR --> BARNEY=A CVTE PVRPLE DINOSAVR Extracting all the Roman Numerals we have... C V V L D I V 100+5+5+50+500+1+5= 666 666 is the mark of the beast!!! therefore... BARNEY IS SATANIC Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | > From: "Rocky Mullin" > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:29:18 -0700 > References: <199609042146.OAA29708@netcom17.netcom.com> > MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver > X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > well > just tell mom > that you have to be a christian to be a satanist > > On Sep 4, 2:46pm, Steve Simitzis wrote: > > Subject: Re: BM and soon to be homeless > > > > > From: knucklehead@club.net (Knucklehead) > > > > > > Stuck in between a rock and a hard place. This is totally unlike my mom to > > > do this, she's not even religous. O'well it happened. So if anyone knows of > > > anything please let email my here or at (knucklehead@geocities.com) > > > > Moms get kind of funny when it comes to Satan. I remember once my mom > > found a copy of the Satanic Bible in my guitar case when I was in high > > school (I don't know what she was doing there). I wasn't interested in > > Satanism; I was actually reading it just for laughs. > > > > Anyway, she had a total shitfit and couldn't look at me in the eye for > > days. The funny thing is that she isn't religious either. > > > > Something about Mom and Satan. Never could figure it out. > > > > Steve > > > > -- > > Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. > Crumb > > | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters > | > > | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | > > | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | > > > >-- End of excerpt from Steve Simitzis > > > > -- > -- > \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin > _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco > \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. > \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban > ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 08:36:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA16453; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA16447; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA24191; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:34:43 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id IAA24124; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:34:40 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: erase99@sirius.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: they are talking to me Date: 05 Sep 1996 16:20:53 GMT Message-Id: <3876646878.132099172@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yea. Strange, the same thing happens with my toaster, and microwave, eggbeater, wok, and Operation board game (only when I hit the metal buzzer though...) -Adam --On Wednesday, September 4, @ 7:45 PM Brendan wrote: strange noise coming through my speakers. i hear distorted voices, and the cd player has stopped spinning. twilight zone stuff. -brendan- ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 08:43:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA17001; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA16990; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA02532; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:42:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199609051542.IAA02532@netcom15.netcom.com> To: lxfogel@srv.pacbell.com (Lee Fogel) Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: for next year at burning man In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 96 18:28:02 PDT." <9609050128.AA17052@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 08:42:05 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Sure. It would be nice to use the 707 for something worthwhile. > One question though; who gets to be the master clock? We will > be synced, right? I think we should try it both ways. Part of the cool thing about drum circles is the random/chaotic/improvisatory/fuckup aspects. Sometimes that's annoying. I know you personally like your beats synced-up and perfect; I personally enjoy the "slop" of a real drummer, because that's the house that funk built, and w/o funk, there is no point to making music (IMHO). I have an Emu EIIIxp with a disk-full o' samples to contribute. I'll probably need to borrow a friends octapad cuz I'm reluctant to bring my Yamaha SY-77 keyboard out to the desert (it weighs a ton!). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 08:52:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA17559; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA17551; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.9) id IAA11419; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609051552.IAA11419@guilder.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: NRR: Desert bugs Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yea, I woke up Friday morning to find one of the little bastards in my ear. Upon inspection with a flashlight from a friend, it started moving so I said "yea, good....go to the light little bug"..... but bug had other ideas...... bug didn't like the light and decided to retreat further into my ear. PAIN!!!!!! You should have seen me freaking out uncontrolably in my tent with this little creature pretty much fully controlling me. Eventually after walking to the ranger station it decided to leave it's new home. Saw Vince asleep on the couch out front of the station. Do you remember Vince? I was traumatized by the experience for about two hours after that. Slept with earplugs in the rest of the time. Rick At 05:24 PM 9/4/96 PDT, you wrote: >crusty wrote: >> And in the case of the Playa, *nothing* lives there. *nothing*. > >Really? I saw a bit of indigenous life out there: mostly small crawling >insects, the occasional larger insect, and even a dormouse near the >edge of the playa late one night. It's not much, but it is more than >"nothing". > >Jeremy > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 08:57:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA17952; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA17943; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA03915; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:57:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199609051557.IAA03915@netcom15.netcom.com> To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 96 21:23:04 PDT." <199609050423.VAA04874@netcom16.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 08:57:49 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >4. Besides the drum machine/rhythm boxes/PCs w/soundboards & sequencers/ > whatever electronic drum & bass, should there be some other folks > jamming on top of it? Maybe two recordings could be made simulateously - > one for just the drum machines, and another for the drum machines and > the musical/quasi-musical/trippy/industrial/ambient stuff being jammed > to the drum & bass. I can do some cool trippy sounds via a breath-controller sweeping the digital filters on my EIIIxp sampler. Kinda like the "acid" sound you get out of a drum box w/ sweepable filters except you're in better control. Can sound Kinda like a digi-digeridoo... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 09:00:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA18181; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA18123; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id IAA19150 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199609051559.IAA19150@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Synthetic Pleasures. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:59:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have not seen much talk about this movie, so when I saw it last night I did not know what to expect. As it turned out, I enjoyed it. Yes, it had such tired subjects as Virtual Reality, Leary, Computer Animation and smart drugs. But, I thought it was all tied together in a pretty interesting context... Humans' desire to change their environment to suit their needs, instead of adapting to the existing environement. The movie seemed to be similar in scope and content to Douglas's Rushkoff's Cyberia. It touched on raves, psychedelics and ecstasy. There was a good scene where they mixed people in a rave with computer graphics, an effect that I thought gave a pretty good idea of what raving under the effects of psychedelics is like. Personally, I thought the synthetic beach and ski resorts in Japan were pretty cool and relevent to the movie. Yes, there is some problems with the movie, it is a little rough around the edges and in our hyper-accelerated world, lots of the material is already dated (like smart-drinks at raves). But, much like Cyberia, this movie is interesting becuase it deals with subjects you never, ever see on TV or in movies (although most of it is pretty normal for most sfraves!) This movie is playing for this week only in the Castro theater, there is a posibility that Thursday will be the last night, but I am not sure. If you have never been to the Castro, be sure to arrive early to hear some incredible live organ music and soak up the killer ambience of that classic movie house. Finally, I wish I did not have to say this, but I feel I must: Please do not start a thread out of this post unless you feel it is absolutely necessary that all the other sfravers should know your comments about this movie also. Please Please Please. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 09:15:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA24354; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scam.XCF.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA24346; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by scam.XCF.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09538 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:04:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199609051604.JAA09538@scam.XCF.Berkeley.EDU> X-Authentication-Warning: scam.XCF.Berkeley.EDU: Host localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: responsibility does not = laws In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 1996 21:08:24 PDT." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9535.841939478.1@scam.XCF.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 09:04:39 -0700 From: Eric Hollander Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >miss the lesson... Why not reflect on the fact that those two people >might never get to talk about their experiences because someone get in a >car and drove when either they were fucked up or too tired. How often do >each of us do that? Why not reflect on that for a moment or is that >getting to close to home? If not, then great. You do not have a lesson to >learn, but if it is, then maybe this is an incentive to stop driving when >too fucked up or too tired... Each of us knows when we are too fucked up >(this includes tiredness) for the most part, why not change that?! we have to do what everyone else does: designate a driver. it doesn't matter whether you're coming from a rave in stevenson alley or the middle of the playa, the same safety rules apply. and we have to also remember that driving speed is not usually limitted by road conditions but by visibility, which means that even though the desert is wide open, it's still not safe to drive fast at night. the bigger point is that carelessness doesn't work at an event like bm. if people cared, they wouldn't toss cigarette butts all over the playa. they wouldn't use fireworks in the middle of a crowd. and they wouldn't drive if they're not cold sober. the only realistic way to make more careful events is to construct them in ways that exclude people who don't care. in the case of bm, the best way to do this is to move it somewhere less accessible. next year, it should be held somewhere like alaska or montana, maybe at the end of 200 miles of difficult dirt road, where people will have to put in real effort to get there. people who don't care won't bother to go, or they won't make it. e From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 09:24:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA25112; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA25098; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA06386; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:18:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199609051618.JAA06386@netcom15.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 09:18:51 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Subject: Y.A.V.W (yet another virus warning). Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy To: jack@twaxx.com, geoffw@v-site.net, jasong@eit.com, "Jay Glicksman" Subject: Y.A.V.W (yet another virus warning). In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Sep 96 03:00:12 CDT." <199609050800.DAA10733@onramp.armchair.mb.ca> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 09:18:51 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" >If you receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Free Money," >DO NOT read the message. DELETE it immediately, UNPLUG your computer, then >BURN IT to ASHES in a government-approved toxic waste disposal INCINERATOR. > >Once a computer is infected, it will be TOO LATE. Your computer will begin >to emit a vile ODOR. Then it will secrete a foul, milky DISCHARGE. Verily, >it shall SCREECH with the tortured, monitor-shattering SCREAM of 1,000 >hell-scorched souls, drawing unwanted attention to your cubicle from >co-workers and supervisors alike. After violently ripping itself from the >wall, your computer will punch through your office window as it STREAKS >into the night, HOWLING like a BANSHEE. Once free, it will spend the rest >of its days SODOMIZING household PETS and MOCKING the POPE. > >Some filthy, disgusting miscreant... some no-good, low-down, good-for >-nothing DIRTY SNAKE, in twisted pursuit of his own sadistic dreams,is >sending this virus across the Net via an e-mail entitled "Free Money." What >is so terrifying about this virus is that you do not even to have to open >the e-mail for it to activate. In fact, you do not even need to RECEIVE the >e-mail. You do not even need to OWN a COMPUTER. "Free Money" can infect >even minor HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES. > >How it does this with straight ASCII code is, franky, a matter of some >debate... but BELIEVE YOU US, if this weren't a SERIOUS situation, we >wouldn't be discussing it in ALL CAPS. > >So for the LOVE OF GOD, forward this e-mail to all those you claim to care >about, all those you purport to love. Don't do it later! Do it NOW! Now! >Now! NOW! NOW! NOW! > >-- Hans Bjordahl To: simitzis@netcom.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BarneyMan NRR Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 96-09-05 08:52:23 EDT, you write: << And as long as we're on the topic of Satan, A True Example of someone with way too much time on their hands: Given: BARNEY=A CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR. Prove: BARNEY IS SATANIC. The ancient Romans had no letter U they used V instead so... BARNEY=A CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR --> BARNEY=A CVTE PVRPLE DINOSAVR Extracting all the Roman Numerals we have... C V V L D I V 100+5+5+50+500+1+5= 666 666 is the mark of the beast!!! therefore... BARNEY IS SATANIC Steve -- >>Someone has way to much extra time on their hands!!!!;) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 10:04:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA00533; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sco.sco.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA00526; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa00033; 5 Sep 96 10:00 PDT Received: from andrewk.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa10833; 5 Sep 96 10:01 PDT From: Andrew Knutsen X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Free Money Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 9:56:03 PDT Message-ID: <9609050956.aa13703@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You really shouldn't have looked !!!!!!!!! But now that you have..... Don't tell your MOTHER !!! SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 10:18:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA02459; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acme.sb.west.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA02450; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marcus.technologik.com (term2-20.sb.west.net [205.254.225.52]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09003; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:17:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:17:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199609051717.KAA09003@acme.sb.west.net> X-Sender: marcus@technologik.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: socal-raves@UCSD.EDU From: Marc Fathauer Subject: LA Times Burning Man Coverage Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here's the current location (found by searching their website) of the LA Times Burning Man article that appeared Wed.: http://www.latimes.com/sbin/my_iarecord.pl?NS-doc-path=/httpd/docs/HOME/NEWS /LIFE/topstory.html&NS-doc-offset=0&NS-collection=DailyNews&NS-search-set=/v ar/tmp/322f0/aaaa0054Z2f0422& well worth reading. marcus@technologik.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 10:38:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA04220; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA04209; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scv2a.apple.com ([17.128.100.120]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12544; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:37:47 -0700 Received: from quickmail.apple.com (in-out.eqm.apple.com [17.130.8.39]) by scv2a.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09684; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:40:01 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 5 Sep 1996 10:40:51 -0700 From: "Jason Green*" Subject: Harmony & Omar To: "Drift" , "sfraves" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 FC1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Reply to: Harmony & Omar Hey there, My name is Jason Green, and I Greg and I started Harmony together 3 years ago. I just wanted to say thanks a lot for your post, concern, and energy. Omar is a very dear friend of mine, and I quite honestly have not known what to do or think since the BM tragedy. I have never had someone so close to me come so close to death, and to know that everyone else out there is coming together and putting forth whatever they can, not money necessarily, but LOVE AND POSITIVE ENERGY more importantly, means SO MUCH to me, Greg, Omar, and everyone. Right now we can use all that we can get, and I really believe that with the power of positive thought, positive energy, and the love that we all share, we can help Omar pull through this. Thank you again... _jason_ -------------------------------------- Date: 9/4/96 8:15 PM To: Jason Green* From: Drift > Also, the Harmony crew has decided that since Omar was (and still >is) an original member of the Harmony crew, that ALL profits (if any) >from the 3 year anniversary will go directly to Omar & his family. well, this should provide added incentive to all you people who were deliberating on whether or not to go to harmony 3 year, or BP on friday. if nothing else, go to support omar and his family. and if you know you are going to go, please buy your tickets soon. the harmony crew puts all their money back into their parties, and as such don't have a big fat bank account... so the advance ticket sales go towards paying off some of the initial costs. even if $20 seems like a lot of money, please make the effort to scrape together the cash. in light of the recent tragedy, harmony needs all the support we can give them. -brendan- ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by quickmail.apple.com with ADMIN;4 Sep 1996 20:15:15 -0700 Received: from taz.hyperreal.com ([204.152.144.36]) by mail-in2.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15564; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA19405; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA19372; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA19360; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp050-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.50]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id UAA21458 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:13:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960904201803.00945efc@pop.sirius.com> X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:18:06 -0700 To: SFRaves From: Drift Subject: harmony 3 year Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 11:21:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA10165; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA09589; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:16:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek Chung Message-Id: <199609051816.LAA09589@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hmmm...there must be more going on this weekend. I think there's a Harmony party on Friday, but I don't have the details. Origin has a good lineup, and the boat party is always fun... If anyone has any more info, pass it along! THE SFR CALENDAR http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Saturday, September 7th - Nomad Interactive presents _Origin_ Ani (Deee-Lite NYC), Bone (Sphere Records), Jeno, Garth, Markie, Tony, Simon, Solar. 415.675.5605 408.236.3398 916.484.4213 Sunday, September 8th - Bulletproof presents _The Boat Party_ Marques Wyatt, George, Kevin, The Baroness, Andrew, Roman. Visuals by Dimension Se7en. departs 6pm from the Ferry Building. advance tix at Bulletproof, 629 Haight. 7pm-midnight, $25. SF. 415.255.7168 Sunday, September 8th - Coolworld presents Groove Fest: Chapter 1 Carlos, Garth, Ghost, Dave Alga, Tribal Disco Noise, The Padric Toman Band, Force 7, Double Trouble, Bank Shot, Martha B.. All ages, Free. People's Park, , Berkeley. 510.729.3119 Friday, September 13rd - _Stompy _ A Free-Stylee Dance Concert Paul Johnson (Relief/Peacefrog), Preston, Solar. 21+, $15. 177 Townsend, SF. Friday, September 13rd - _Eternity_ Graeme, Caesar, Carlos, Gino, Franky. Visuals by Extreme Beam Lasers. $15 before 11pm priority tix sold at Getta Clue and In Tha Mix (Sacramento) 18+. 415.974.4317 415.484.5078 Saturday, September 14th - _Harmony_ Three Year Anniversary Brian, Graeme, Brandon, Terry Mullan, Alex, Minor Minor, 23 Degrees, Liquid, Stella Luna, Rob, Dionysys Dreams. the final Harmony - presale tix only! Tix available at Housewares and Solid Grooves there will be a daytime festival with hiking, music and more beginning at noon saturday. 408.486.9591 408.450.3044 Friday, September 20th - Ground Zero presents _Five_ Ghost, Carlos, Donald Glaude, Essence, Kwashi. Visuals by LSD, Phenomenon. $5 before midnight 415.273.1474 Saturday, September 21st - Out-A-Sight Evil Eddie Richards, Dave Hollands (NY), Steve Loria (LA), Narayan (Philly), Spun. Visuals by Donovan, Hyperdelic, Reed. 415.437.4462 Saturday, September 28th - _SuperSensonic_ Dan Curtin (Cleveland), Ono Sendai Sound Technician (The Delta Quadrant), Zerox (Swell Records), Jon Santos (Mad SF), Bradley (yo mama). 415.303.2312 Friday, October 5th - Cloud Factory presents _Planetarium_ DJs, food, frolinking, camping and such in Mendocino County drenalin, tim mcknew, deaks, cloud, brian flipp, mc^2, maya, k-go (st.louis), guests. exact data TBA mendocino. Saturday, October 5th - SpaceMinD Productions! presents _Free Life_ Henry, Casper, A.R.L., Spech, Miss Piggy, Fro (?), guests. Visuals by SpaceBoy, Tri-Lasers. an AIDS Benefit for Ellipse and their youth group $10 w/flyer 9pm-8am, $15. 415.286.3495 Saturday, October 19th - team sunshine presents _bionic_ DJ Feelgood (Baltimore), Jim Hopkins, Mathew, Radley, DJ Crust, Bippy, more. more info to follow... , October 26th - _Spirit_ Halloween Full Moon Celebration details to follow Saturday, November 30th - _Tribal Funk 3 year birthday party_ details to follow... _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... Thursday Lift - House, Funk w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jay-J, Black, guests. 12mid-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma, SF. 415.267.5984 Velvet Shop - House, Techno. 21+, $5. Agenda Bass-ment, 399 S 1st @ San Salvador, SJ. 408.235.1556 Full House - Acid Jazz, House w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen, Andrew Rawnsley, Bruno Ybarra, guests, live musicians. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. Miss Pearl's Jam House, Eddy & Larkin, SF. _Le Jazz Hot!_ - future sounds for jazz heads w/DJs Andrew Jervis, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Nickies BBQ, 460 Haight, SF. 415.621.6508 _Real_ - house, techno. every first Thursday of the month 9pm-2am, 18+, $7. Pantages Theater, 1225 K St Mall, Sacramento. 916.565.9588 _Revolutionary Wax_ - coax your evolutionary ass w/DJs Consuelo Kevin, John John (Open Mind), James (Tweekin). 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th St, SF. 415.252.7740 _Green_ - house, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 10pm-2am, 18+. the top of the Wharf Cafe, the end of the Santa Cruz Wharf, Santa Cruz. ThurZdaze - bringing you the true frisco groove w/DJs DJ Dan, Donald Glaude, guests. 415.605.1915 510.726.5947 _Seven Up_ - house w/DJs Guests weekly. 10pm-, 21+. Germania Lounge, 261 N.2nd St @ Julian, San Jose. _soulvation_ - acid jazz, hiphop w/DJs Roman, George, Aural B, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. elbo room, 647 Valencia, SF. 415.522.2946 _Osmosis_ - house w/DJs Pete Avila, Jeno, Martha Wash (live), Jocelyn Brown (live). 10pm-4am, 21+, $10. V/sf, 278 11th @ Folsom, SF. 415.280.5850 _Natural_ - house, techno w/DJs Mark Farina, Mattski, Spun, Galen, Solar, John Howard. Mission Rock Resort, 817 China Basin, SF. 415.541.5678 Funktion - house, dub w/DJs guest DJs weekly. free before 10pm 9pm-2am, $5. Maritime Hall, 1st & Harrison, SF. 415.273.5308 _Pure Sugah_ - house, hiphop, soul w/DJs Julius Papp, Jay-J, Grey-V, Kwai, guests, live performers. free b4 10:30pm 9pm-2an, 21+, $3. The Usual, 400 South First St, San Jose. 408.535.0330 _Half & Half_ - house w/DJs Frankie T., Jeff. the Agenda cellar, 399 S First St., San Jose. Friday _ Sound Factory _- House w/DJs Pete Avila, David Harness, guests. 9:30pm-7am, 21+, $10. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Soul'd Out_ - House w/DJs Julius Papp, Rick Preston, guests. free before 10:30 9pm-, 21+, $5. The Usual, 400 S.1st St., San Jose. _Nocturnal Transmission_ - House w/DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez, Saint John, guests. $5 before midnight. 11pm-5am, 21+, $10. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.957.1730 _Liquid Fridays_ - House w/DJs various DJs. 10pm-2am, 18+, Free. 2721 Broadway, Sacramento., Sacramento. 916.484.4285 the green door - "where circles meet squares" w/DJs andrew, thomas, caspar, paul, felix the dog, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $7. 880 Stevenson @ 10th, SF. _Nikita_ - house, techno w/DJs Jeno, Simon, Henrik. 10pm-6am, 21+, $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568 [9.6 - John Digweed, Jeno, Simon, Taj, Henrik] _Beats_ - house, breakbeat, trance w/DJs Carlos Campos, Karizma, weekly guests. 7042 Folsom Blvd between Howe and 65th, Sacramento. 415.273.1345 916.558.0850 _the atomic cafe_ - acid jazz, trip hop, house w/DJs Finn, Matty B, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. Voodoo, Eddy & Larkin, SF. 415.267.4822 OM lounge - trip-hop, house, acid jazz w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 9pm-2am, 21+, $1. Minna Street Gallery, 111 Minna St, SF. [9.6 - Telefunken] [9.13 - Mushroom Jazz Night] Saturday _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady, Nikki Rivera, guests. saturday morning 6am-, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF. _Sound Factory _- big club sounds 9:30pm-4am, 21+. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr. Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457 55 - House, Euro w/DJs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez, guests. 21+. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.267.1858 _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights. 10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903 _Liquid Vinyl_ - House w/DJs Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard, guests. 2am-6am, 21+, $8. DV8, 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730 phunkatech - Jungle w/DJs UFO, Noel, guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.995.4699 _Metro Jazz _- Acid Jazz w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Mauricio Avilas, Tom Thump, Franky, guests. moving from 111 Minna... 10pm-, 21+, $7. , SF 415.974.1719 _Loveworks_ - house w/DJs Dani, Pete Avila, Neon Leon, guests. 9pm-infinity, . 111 Minna St, SF. 415.646.0744 _hedquarters_ - downbeat adventures w/DJs Tomas, Markus, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. Voodoo, 601 Eddy between Polk & Larkin, SF. 415.974.4358 Sunday _ Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel, weekly guests. free b4 10:30p includes tecknotica (deep inside Spundae) 10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389 [9.8 - Paul Van Dyk, Brownie, Henrik, Josh, Ivo, Max Factor, David Michael, Shiloh] _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore, SF. 415.771.2583 _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B, guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256 Quench - House w/DJs Rick Preston, Ryan Tapia, guests. 21+. The Usual, 400 South First St., San Jose. 408.535.0330 subbass - jungle, drum'n'bass, trip hop w/DJs noel, abstract, jawbone. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 270 Brannan @ 2nd, SF. 415.905.8865 Strawberry Sundays - techno, house w/DJs Dutch, Jazz-E, Corey, Oscure, Jesse. $5 for under 21;. 6am-, 18+, $3. Bahia, 1600 Market St., SF. 415.635.9183 _Sunday Roast_ - techno? w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 9pm-2am, . Mick's Lounge, 2513 Van Ness, SF. 415.928.0404 Monday _Noc Noc_ - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJs Mohsen. 21+, Free. 557 Haight St., SF. _Tongue n' Groove _- trip hop, jungle, acid jazz w/DJs tomas, seth, m.mark, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. Cat's Grill & Alley, 1190 Folsom @ 8th, SF. 415.431.3332 _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu, stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151 Folsom St, SF. _21st sensory _- abstractbeatz-hiphop-dub-drum n'bass-electro w/DJs Tomas, Abstract, guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.974.4358 _mad_ - trance, electro, old school, minimal, hard, detroit, acid w/DJs Joe Rice, Jon Santos, Alex, Ethan, guests. 2$ before 11pm 10pm-2am, 18+, $3. Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market St, SF. Tuesday Breathe Deep - House w/DJs Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. 1015 Folsom., SF. 415.998.9515 _Succotash!_ - tasty jazz - funk - beats - space w/DJs tom thump, rasta q-tip. 21+, Free. up & down club, 1151 folsom st., SF. _supper_ - funk, acid jazz w/DJs Caspar, guests. 21+, Free. Julie's Supper Club, 1123 Folsom @ 7th, SF. 415.861.0707 _L-Tryptophan_ - ambient, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 21+, Free. 1624 California @ Van Ness, SF. _Lost in Space_ - house, hip-hop w/DJs Pause, Dark Money, Winnie B, Eric Lacy. 21+, Free. Cafe Mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF. _Eclectic_ - house, jungle, drum & bass w/DJs Yamu, Siege, Franko, Foster, guests. Fresh fruit & condoms to all 9pm-2am, 21+. Paradise Bar & Grill, 5356 College Ave, Oakland. _The Deep_ - house, techno. 9pm-2am, . Palookaville, 1133 Pacific Ave, Santa Cruz?. 408.425.3316 _Speakeasy_ - Good Music. Deep House to Jungle w/DJs Shannon, Mauricio, guests. every other Tuesday 9pm-2am, $2. Coco Club, 139 8th St, SF. _Move_ - house w/DJs Spun, Josh, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. Wednesday _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first Wednesday of the month. 10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815 _Roots_ - House, Dub, Reggae w/DJs Garth, Jeno, guests. Buna & guests in the dub reggae room 10pm-4am, 21+, $6. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.512.5713 _cosmic lounge _- space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle w/DJs Caspar, Paul, Seth, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF. _Thirsty_ - tasty house tunes and even better company w/DJs Jellybear, Jay-J, top notch guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _The Lounge_ - 9pm-3am, 21+. 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.922.8041x4240 _Wish_ - techno, house w/DJs guests weekly. Lighting by EyeTribe 18+. Bahia, 1600 Market St, SF. 415.436.0663 _Belief_ - house w/DJs Julius Papp, Harry Who?, Rick Preston. begins 5.22. 10pm-, 21+. Agenda basement, 1st & San Salvador, San Jose. Boogie Bowl - house, techno w/DJs John Howard, Sean Murray, Dave, guests. admission includes bowling and pool. 10pmm-3am, $8. Country Club Bowl, 88 Vivian Way @ E.Francisco, San Rafael. 415.679.3113 _Flux_ - techno, house w/DJs DJ Dan, guests. 10pm-4am, 18+, $6. 817 China Basin, SF. 415.541.5646 _Groove_ - techno w/DJs Dreamer, Carlos, special guests. 10pm-?, $5. 415.437.6905 _Step Off_ - acid jazz, trip hop w/DJs Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius Papp. begins September 18th 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * the Buzz-line, a global party network - 415.568.1338 * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Fatline - 415.207.3668 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Monday afternoon 12:30-3:00 pm - DJ Jerecho presents the best of the urban polyrhythmic experience jungle, acid jazz, techno, electro, breakbeat KDVS, 90.3 FM (Davis) * Wednesday night 9pm-11pm - free form music mix. KPFA 94.1 (Berkeley) * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" Beats and atmospherics w/DJ Seth. KALX 90.7 (Berkeley) * Friday 3pm-6pm - free form music mix. KUSF 90.3 (SF) (also available on Realaudio * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Jungle, Detroit, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF) * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1 KMEL. * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF. * Friday night/Saturday morning - the Uncle Noah TV Show - the best in Techno and House music. 3-5am, KDVS 90.3fm (Davis) * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday, 4pm-6pm - "Aural Fixation" w/Ted Vadakan. experimental ambient, trip hop, jungle musicality. KZSC 88.1 fm (Santa Cruz) * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@flux.net * Saturday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. and Monkeywrench KZSU 90.1 (Stanford) _________________________________________________________________ For a _search_ interface to the calendar, see the Late Train club section (http://www.latetrain.com/clubs/). _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. 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Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 11:25:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA10506; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA10498; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from capt.hooked.net (moonpup@capt.hooked.net [206.80.6.46]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18043; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by capt.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28305; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609051826.LAA28305@capt.hooked.net> To: , "Drift" , "sfraves" Subject: Re: Harmony & Omar Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi, this is Moonpup, and I just wanted to say While I did not know Omar personally, I was very sad to hear of his unfortunate accident, and current predicament. I will be coming to Harmony this weekend and I wanted to offer my services to you (free of charge) not so much at this event, as I'm sure you have your line-ups sorted out already..........but at a future event to help to make $$ for the Bills that Omar will incur. This is not a BSP but a real attempt to offer the only thing I have thats worth anything. (my DJ skill). If I had $$ I would offer it. As I just returned from 4 months in the UK, I feel I have some fun tunes and energy that I could add to any of your events. Thanx I'll see you this weekend..........and I hope all goes well........till then.... moonpup From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 11:34:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA11332; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA11323; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02880; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:39:24 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609051139.ZM2878@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:39:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: Amy R Starkey "My Burning Man 96" (Sep 4, 7:19pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Brian Behlendorf , sfraves Subject: Re: My Burning Man 96 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk the blue spinning light tower was a weird blinking lights installation designed by me. vince was invaluable in adding the final supporting welds, as well as a better vehicle to help support it, and moving it to its final location. this tower was an enhanced version of the one i set up for the wbl parasphere camp last year. (if you are interested, the elements of the tower are: 1 strapini base (base 66) 28' pipe 2' pipe cheesborough (right angle, rigid) 2 blue "police" becaons 12 starstrobes with deep saturated gel 6 cube taps 4 sand bags power cable todd wrench (c wrench will work finefine) elbow grease everything but the starstrobes was rented from my great pals at impact lighting (the strobes are mine). v&w also put their most killer awesome radio transmitter on top so we could broadcast what was on the wbl sound system or if it was not playing then vince's mix tapes ;) the wbl sound system generally lived in the chill space between the rasta rig and the fellflat rv. bianca's smut shack had the most robust generator to power the thing, and vince fed it with gas. anyway, irrational geographic was a group effort (with the exception of one group of really bad apples) that would have suffered greatly without v&w camp and their creativity and resources. i for one love them. -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 11:36:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA11507; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA11483; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA10784 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:34:29 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA06321 for Sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:34:25 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Ok, what's a going on??? Date: 05 Sep 1996 18:47:03 GMT Message-Id: <2085617630.132604541@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sooo peoples, Whats the situation for Friday night??? Any good goin'ons, or is everbody still recooping from: The Man??? "Inquiring Minds Want To Know!!!" --Adam ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 11:39:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA11708; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA11700; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20740 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:38:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:38:43 -0400 Message-ID: <960905143842_472400679@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Paging David (Seattle Input) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ANYONE: This is the weekend I'll be heading up to the emerald city, if anyone has input on fun RR/NRR stuff to do I'd love to hear it. DAVID: (Sorry lost your address) You mentioned someone named Lea that you wanted to find their phone #. I would definitely be interested in hooking up with them or anyone that might be able to give us some options for FUN. Thanks, StEvEo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 11:45:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA12159; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA12151; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scv2a.apple.com ([17.128.100.120]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27272; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:45:26 -0700 Received: from quickmail.apple.com (in-out.eqm.apple.com [17.130.8.39]) by scv2a.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05914; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:46:44 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 5 Sep 1996 11:47:18 -0700 From: "Jason Green*" Subject: Re: Harmony & Omar To: "Milton Cecil" , "sfraves" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 FC1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk RE>>Harmony & Omar 9/5/96 Hey there, Thank you very much for the offer and support. If there is a slot open, I am going to see if we can have you spin - Greg has pretty much organized most of the party while I was at BM, but I will talk to him, and see what the story is. Thanks again, and I will see you soon... _jason_ P.S. I think I have met you at one point, but my memory fails me. I guess I'll just have to meet you again! : ) = ) It'll probably end up being one of those "OH!! You! I know you!" things : ) -------------------------------------- Date: 9/5/96 11:26 AM To: Jason Green* From: Milton Cecil Hi, this is Moonpup, and I just wanted to say While I did not know Omar personally, I was very sad to hear of his unfortunate accident, and current predicament. I will be coming to Harmony this weekend and I wanted to offer my services to you (free of charge) not so much at this event, as I'm sure you have your line-ups sorted out already..........but at a future event to help to make $$ for the Bills that Omar will incur. This is not a BSP but a real attempt to offer the only thing I have thats worth anything. (my DJ skill). If I had $$ I would offer it. As I just returned from 4 months in the UK, I feel I have some fun tunes and energy that I could add to any of your events. Thanx I'll see you this weekend..........and I hope all goes well........till then.... moonpup ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by quickmail.apple.com with ADMIN;5 Sep 1996 11:25:17 -0700 Received: from mom.hooked.net ([206.80.6.10]) by mail-in1.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00391 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from capt.hooked.net (moonpup@capt.hooked.net [206.80.6.46]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18043; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by capt.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28305; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609051826.LAA28305@capt.hooked.net> To: , "Drift" , "sfraves" Cc: Subject: Re: Harmony & Omar From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 11:46:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA12264; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA12256; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02927; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:51:17 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609051151.ZM2925@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:51:17 -0700 In-Reply-To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) "Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait?" (Sep 4, 9:23pm) References: <199609050423.VAA04874@netcom16.netcom.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Cc: sjlerner@netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sep 4, 9:23pm, Larry Ching wrote: > Subject: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? > > 1. Should there be a master clock signal? yes but you should be able to switch it off. > 2. A "conductor" who runs the master clock? Maybe folks could take turns > conducting, maybe in 15 minute or 1/2 hour time periods. build a robot to conduct > 3. Would the conductor have mixing powers, or does everyone who shows up > get equal volume into the mix? no mixer, just gigantic guitar amps > 4. Besides the drum machine/rhythm boxes/PCs w/soundboards & sequencers/ > whatever electronic drum & bass, should there be some other folks > jamming on top of it? Maybe two recordings could be made simulateously - > one for just the drum machines, and another for the drum machines and > the musical/quasi-musical/trippy/industrial/ambient stuff being jammed > to the drum & bass. sure. i'd want it limited to line-level only, nothing acoustic. the wbl 4014 sequencer (macintosh) is perfect for this task. -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 11:48:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA12533; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA12499; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02941; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:53:05 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609051153.ZM2939@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:53:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) "BM photos!!! (was: Re: BM PICS Wanted)" (Sep 4, 9:56pm) References: <199609050456.VAA23000@netcom2.netcom.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis), erase99@sirius.com Subject: Re: BM photos!!! (was: Re: BM PICS Wanted) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk many lame photo places will not give you developed photos of people in the nude. if you can, take your photos to one of the independent places up here on castro street. theyy'll develop anything :) On Sep 4, 9:56pm, Steve Simitzis wrote: > Subject: BM photos!!! (was: Re: BM PICS Wanted) > > My precious BM96 photos have survived the evil clutches of Wal*Mart, > and they are not bad. In fact, some of them are damn good. All I need > now are a scanner and a web site. > > However, I was little dismayed to find that some pictures that I > *definitely* remember taking are not there, including the lovely and > charming Amy Starkey and her pal Mel, Jason smoking *** in the RV, > various shots of VW campers, tons of naked muddy people shots, and > other stuff. Between the missing shots (and the fact that the colors > were not what I expected), I would strongly advise others to avoid the > the Wal*Mart 1 hour photo torture chamber. I don't know what I was > thinking. > > But anyway, I'll bring the good ones with me to Beautiful People and > Harmony 3 year, so just look around for me. > > Steve > > ps. SteveO: You and your girlfriend are the most adorable couple on earth :) > > -- > Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb > | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | > | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | > | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | > >-- End of excerpt from Steve Simitzis -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 11:50:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA12680; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA12643; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02950; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:54:42 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609051154.ZM2948@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:54:41 -0700 In-Reply-To: Modulator "Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait?" (Sep 4, 10:50pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Modulator , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sep 4, 10:50pm, Modulator wrote: > > This is a blast!!! Me & some friends did this a while back. But we only > had one drum machine/module. Please wait till I get there :) on the 29th. > we had one person do the sequencing from his PC, then the rest of us > twiddled knobs. It was totally crazy. We recorded it but it's a little > rough around the edges. But then again we mixed it through a couple of > cascaded DJ mixers.... Nasty! this is basically how wbl performs... all improvised and totally unrehersed. sometimes we get the sync working in the 4014 sequencer but generally it's just jamming. it's a rush to do in front of people. -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 11:52:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA12953; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA12947; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02959; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:57:23 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609051157.ZM2957@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:57:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." "Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait?" (Sep 5, 1:34am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." , ezzevvravess Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sep 5, 1:34am, JMRTNKO! please stand by... wrote: > > whoa, whoa, one thing at a time. unless someone wants to spring for a > 48-channel desk (and unless someone is good at running one), i think we > need to see if the drum machines will work. percussion often being the > most complex part, if it works, then more should work on top of it. many submixers into a master mixer. > perhaps we should compile a list of the equipment available for this. roland cr8000 drum machine (has roland sync24 (din) and trigger pulse) roland r8mkii roland sh101 mackie 1604 mackie 1202 f/x, compressor, etc -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 11:58:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA13719; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA13712; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA03719 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:57:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:57:33 -0400 Message-ID: <960905145731_516495503@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: only one Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Am I the only one not getting posts here? Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 12:20:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA17096; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA17089; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA05056; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:19:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:19:56 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609051919.MAA05056@netcom.netcom.com> To: caliban@organic.com CC: larryc@netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, sjlerner@netcom.com In-reply-to: <9609051151.ZM2925@tempest.organic.com> (caliban@organic.com) Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > 3. Would the conductor have mixing powers, or does everyone who shows up > > get equal volume into the mix? > > no mixer, just gigantic guitar amps This is actually a better idea. In a drum circle, everyone has their own sound, their own space, and their acoustic source. This should be no different. Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 12:21:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA17175; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nak.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA17162; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (ucdata.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.165.25]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA27477 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA03034; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:14:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Nancy Shaw Subject: Omar's Mom's Full Name To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Probably checks should be made directly to Omar's mom. Could someone post her full name? Thanks, Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 12:25:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA17855; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nak.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA17785; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (ucdata.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.165.25]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA28037 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA03165; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:18:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Nancy Shaw Subject: Fundraising Party for Omar To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In light of Moonpup's very generous offer, maybe we could put together an all-volunteer party to raise money for Omar's family?? I know there will be donations Friday night, plus profits (?) from the 3-year, but each of these are parties with large overheads. Maybe a Saturday bbq or a house party with _all_ proceeds going to this cause? I'm willing to help plan, but have never put together a party. Are there people out there who'd like to make this happen?? With love, Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 12:42:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA19364; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA19350; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA10999 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:42:32 -0700 Received: from hera.synopsys.com (hera.synopsys.com [146.225.100.23]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA26848; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:42:20 -0700 Received: from [146.225.54.53] (mac-54-53.synopsys.com [146.225.54.53]) by hera.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA26019; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:42:10 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:43:10 -0700 To: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >perhaps we should compile a list of the equipment available for this. > >i have a kawai xd-5 module. just a keyboard to control it with though. >a friend (not on sfraves) has an Alesis D4 and a bunch of pads (and a >16-channel mixer). he might be into joining us. > >jmar! > OK, I have an older Dr. Rhythm (Boss DR-550 or something like that), with sampled organic percussion and synthesized percussion sounds, and two electric bass guitars. If any of these would be welcome, I'm there :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 12:44:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA19510; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sco.sco.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA19504; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id ab11131; 5 Sep 96 12:40 PDT Received: from andrewk.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa28418; 5 Sep 96 12:41 PDT From: Andrew Knutsen To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Cc: larryc@netcom.com X-Mailer: ScoMail 3.0.Bd MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9609051229.aa14545@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Now what I think would be cool is to make a "virtual" drum circle, by sending MIDI over the net or telephone. I can see two ways it could work: realtime, or by sharing midi loops. I think realtime would be harder to program, and probably wouldn't work over the net (due to delays) and would probably be difficult even with direct modem connections. Loops might be easy though. Heres one way it might work... you'd need a central net site to submit loops to and pick them up from, and a way to load loops from the site into your sequencer. The site could divide the available loops into old stuff (for general use and getting started), and current stuff (ie, what the current "virtual circle" is). To join the circle, you'd copy the current loops to your sequencer, run them, then find your own part on your drum pad/keyboard. Once you have your part recorded, you'd submit it to the "current" list, then the other people could pull it into their sequencer to add your part to what they were listening to. There should also be a way to take one of your loops out of the circle when you think it's getting old... The web page would need a short expire time to stay current, or you could keep hitting "reload". This could work with GM/GS, or you could add samples for custom instruments (for people with wavetable cards). At least I hope it could work... I don't have much actual MIDI experience (I have Cakewalk and an AWE32, but I'm short on time and motivation). It also depends on windows/macos being able to handle running tcp and midi at the same time (or, getting a good sequencer and sound card support on unix... the official SCO answer is probably "thats not server-side software", but sometimes the hackers come thru). It wouldn't be the same as a real circle, but it would be a lot easier to organise, huh? Seems like all it would take is a CGI script and some conventions on .mid files or whatever (both the names and the internal stuff, like devices/channels and timing). Also, I'm not sure how to paste binary data into a form (for uploading midi files). In fact the easiest would probably just be to use FTP, and the "upload file" command in Netscape (instead of the CGI script). The "current" and "old" areas could just be two directories with public ftp access. Andrew > From: Larry Ching > Subject: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? > To: sfraves@hyperreal.com > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:23:04 -0700 (PDT) > > [ to sfraves list ] > > I think Niels' idea of a drum machine circle is too good to be kept > in the realm of "just kidding" ! Also, I think it should be tried out > before the next Burning Man! Of course, there's no rush - just thinking about > the idea for awhile brings up some questions: > > 1. Should there be a master clock signal? > 2. A "conductor" who runs the master clock? Maybe folks could take turns > conducting, maybe in 15 minute or 1/2 hour time periods. > 3. Would the conductor have mixing powers, or does everyone who shows up > get equal volume into the mix? > 4. Besides the drum machine/rhythm boxes/PCs w/soundboards & sequencers/ > whatever electronic drum & bass, should there be some other folks > jamming on top of it? Maybe two recordings could be made simulateously - > one for just the drum machines, and another for the drum machines and > the musical/quasi-musical/trippy/industrial/ambient stuff being jammed > to the drum & bass. > > I like playing around with concepts! > > Now I'll have to actually go and buy a drum machine - maybe one of those > portable Yamaha or Boss units.... > > Larry "recovering from caffiene withdrawl" Ching/larryc@netcom.com > ----------------------------------------- Andrew Knutsen andrewk@sco.com Santa Cruz Operation (408) 427-7538 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 12:47:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA19828; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA19808; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aoaioxxysz.organic.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA10962; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609051952.MAA10962@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 1996 21:23:04 PDT." <199609050423.VAA04874@netcom16.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 12:52:45 -0700 From: ozymandias G desiderata Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk lc == Larry Ching lc> lc> [ to sfraves list ] lc> lc> I think Niels' idea of a drum machine circle is too good to be kept lc> in the realm of "just kidding" ! Also, I think it should be tried lc> out before the next Burning Man! Of course, there's no rush - just lc> thinking about the idea for awhile brings up some questions: lc> lc> 1. Should there be a master clock signal? I'd argue that no master clock should be used. Yes, there's a danger that things could get messy and out of hand without a master clock, but that's part of the idea, isn't it? I think the more minimal and raw we could make this whole thing, the more interesting the results could be. Or maybe do part of it with a clock, and part without. I'm planning on bringing at least one hand-built percussion module with me next year, that may or may not be sync-capable (promises, promises). lc> 2. A "conductor" who runs the master clock? Maybe folks could take lc> turns conducting, maybe in 15 minute or 1/2 hour time periods. Nahh... drum circles work as well as they do (if, in fact, they do) because they're ego-free. I could also drag out the argument about techno being "anonymous music," but that may or may not be applicable here. lc> 3. Would the conductor have mixing powers, or does everyone who shows up lc> get equal volume into the mix? I say that everyone should have equal volume. Basically, I consider anything that has the potential to increase chaos should be left in (which will come as no surprise to people who know me). Drum machines are cold little boxes that make cold little sounds, and you have to work to allow the sound of a drum machine to breathe. lc> 4. Besides the drum machine / rhythm boxes / PCs w/soundboards & lc> sequencers / whatever electronic drum & bass, should there be lc> some other folks jamming on top of it? Maybe two recordings lc> could be made simultaneously - one for just the drum machines, lc> and another for the drum machines and the musical / quasi- lc> musical / trippy / industrial / ambient stuff being jammed to lc> the drum & bass. I vote against extraneous accompaniment, but I think that owners of the various drum machines should be allowed to hack the sounds coming from them as much as they'd like. If you want to run your kick through a ring modulator or a Rat distortion pedal, more power to you. You'd be surprised how much can be expressed purely with percussion -- many of my most reliable dancefloor tracks are all-percussion (Plastikman, Robert Armani, most Basic Channel and Chain Reaction stuff, Fawn, G-Man, and many others are all artists that make excellent minimal techno using little except processed beats). lc> I like playing around with concepts! Me too! lc> Now I'll have to actually go and buy a drum machine - maybe one of lc> those portable Yamaha or Boss units.... Well, geez, man, there are very few drum machines that _aren't_ portable. If you're looking for lots of drum machine for a little money, I'd recommend finding a used Roland DR-550mkII or DR-660. Tons of noises, decent on-board effects, and an unholy bitch to program with the built-in sequencer. Loads of fun to be had! ozymandias . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . . ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Think "bus" (415)278-5674 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ:: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:03:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA21260; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA21250; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA28580; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:02:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Andrew Knutsen cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Free Money In-Reply-To: <9609050956.aa13703@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'd like more info. on this subject;).. On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Andrew Knutsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really shouldn't have looked !!!!!!!!! > > > But now that you have..... > > > Don't tell your MOTHER !!! > > > > > SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN > > > > SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN > > > > SATAN > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:04:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA21368; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA21361; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca39-03.ix.netcom.com [205.187.203.67]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA01033; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:03:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:03:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199609052003.NAA01033@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Re: Fund for Omar To: Nancy Shaw Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > > >Dear SFRaves Family, > >I know Omar only from partying - one of those faces you keep seeing at >parties. He is part of the Harmony crew, working to throw parties for >all of us. He ALWAYS had a smile and a beautiful vibe each time I saw him :). > >Now he lies in a hospital bed, where he may remain for a year. I think >all of us realize how precious life is and how it can be shattered in an >instant, and how our daily problems pale in comparison to this. Let's >all take a moment to think of someone else, and send whatever we can to >the fund for Omar that Greg has set up. Money, cards, well-wishes, >flowers, and lots of love will all go a long way to helping Omar, and >especially his mother, in this time of anguish. Think of what it will >mean to her to see what kind of friends her son has, and what kind of >community he helped build! > >The address again: > >Omar >c/o Harmony Productions >P.O. Box 111084 >Campbell, CA 95011-1084 > >Remember, we're a family. Let's band together right now to help a brother!! > >Love to you all, >Nancy > > Thank you!!!! This all means a lot!!! Love, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:19:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA22750; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA22744; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA10451; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:19:43 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960905201952.008a1c2c@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 13:19:52 -0700 To: "Jason Green*" , "Drift" , "sfraves" From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: Harmony & Omar Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; Argh!!!!!, would some kind sole please inform the clueless what's going on with this situation. All I have in front of me is people asking me for money, with no cause or reason behind it, thanks. Yes, I know Omar too, was he in THEE accident? or another? ...etc Peace Brian At 10:40 AM 9/5/96 -0700, Jason Green* wrote: > Reply to: Harmony & Omar > >Hey there, >My name is Jason Green, and I Greg and I started Harmony together 3 years ago. I just wanted to say thanks a lot for your post, concern, and energy. Omar is a very dear friend of mine, and I quite honestly have not known what to do or think since the BM tragedy. I have never had someone so close to me come so close to death, and to know that everyone else out there is coming together and putting forth whatever they can, not money necessarily, but LOVE AND POSITIVE ENERGY more importantly, means SO MUCH to me, Greg, Omar, and everyone. Right now we can use all that we can get, and I really believe that with the power of positive thought, positive energy, and the love that we all share, we can help Omar pull through this. >Thank you again... >_jason_ >-------------------------------------- >Date: 9/4/96 8:15 PM >To: Jason Green* >From: Drift >> Also, the Harmony crew has decided that since Omar was (and still >>is) an original member of the Harmony crew, that ALL profits (if any) >>from the 3 year anniversary will go directly to Omar & his family. > >well, this should provide added incentive to all you people who were >deliberating on whether or not to go to harmony 3 year, or BP on friday. if >nothing else, go to support omar and his family. > >and if you know you are going to go, please buy your tickets soon. the >harmony crew puts all their money back into their parties, and as such don't >have a big fat bank account... so the advance ticket sales go towards paying >off some of the initial costs. even if $20 seems like a lot of money, please >make the effort to scrape together the cash. in light of the recent tragedy, >harmony needs all the support we can give them. >-brendan- > > >------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ >Received: by quickmail.apple.com with ADMIN;4 Sep 1996 20:15:15 -0700 >Received: from taz.hyperreal.com ([204.152.144.36]) by mail-in2.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15564; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:17:01 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA19405; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:15:01 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA19372; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:14:51 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA19360; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:14:45 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp050-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.50]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id UAA21458 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:13:03 -0700 >Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960904201803.00945efc@pop.sirius.com> >X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) >Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:18:06 -0700 >To: SFRaves >From: Drift >Subject: harmony 3 year >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com >Precedence: bulk > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:22:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA22998; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA22990; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca39-03.ix.netcom.com [205.187.203.67]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA19558 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:21:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:21:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199609052021.NAA19558@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Omar Benefit($ & who to get it to) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Well after reading the Re: mail I have gotten, it seems to be that in my haste to spill my feelings I have forgotten to give a name to make that donation checks out to... The name of Omar's mother is : Jolaine Reed You can send any donations to the Harmony Po box which is: Omar C/O Harmony Po Box 111084 Campbell CA 95011-1084 As I said, some profits from tomorrow nights Beautiful People Party will be going towards this cause. As well as all profits from the 3 year Party. This is not at all enough! If you can afford to please donate anything. $1 - $5 - $100 it doesn't matter, just anything will help! If you can't donate $ at least donate your love. Send Omar as much positive energy as you can. Together we can all help him pull through this awful tragedy! Also, the thought of a whole seperate party to benefit Omar has been brought up. The party will be called "Tigger." It's Omar's favorite character in the whole world!!! He has been nick named "The Tigger" by all of us in Harmony for a couple years now! I am working on this project as we speak. If you are interested in being on the crew list, please respond to me. The date for the "Tigger" party will be most likely the first weekend in October, unless something else comes up. But that is what we are shooting for. Keep in touch! Thank you for your love and support for Omar!!!! Peace and love, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:23:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA23124; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA23119; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA10607 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:23:46 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960905202354.008ac9d0@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 13:23:54 -0700 To: SFRaves From: "THX1138" Subject: BM Chaos Info Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; I'm waiting another 24 hours folks before i respond privately to those who requested INSIDE info on the chaos & general lack of concern for YOUR well being, as well as the financial well being of the charities BM was suppose to aid on part of the BM organizers. So no I haven't forgotten. Peace Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:27:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA23457; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA23440; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA10743; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:26:56 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960905202705.007528a8@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 13:27:05 -0700 To: "Niels P. Mayer" From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: Y.A.V.W (yet another virus warning). Cc: SFRaves Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; I'm at this very minute pouring WHoly(spelled incorrectly) Water on my motherboar... At 09:18 AM 9/5/96 -0700, Niels P. Mayer wrote: >------- Blind-Carbon-Copy > >To: jack@twaxx.com, geoffw@v-site.net, jasong@eit.com, > "Jay Glicksman" >Subject: Y.A.V.W (yet another virus warning). >In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Sep 96 03:00:12 CDT." > <199609050800.DAA10733@onramp.armchair.mb.ca> >Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 09:18:51 -0700 >From: "Niels P. Mayer" > > >>If you receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Free Money," >>DO NOT read the message. DELETE it immediately, UNPLUG your computer, then >>BURN IT to ASHES in a government-approved toxic waste disposal INCINERATOR. >> >>Once a computer is infected, it will be TOO LATE. Your computer will begin >>to emit a vile ODOR. Then it will secrete a foul, milky DISCHARGE. Verily, >>it shall SCREECH with the tortured, monitor-shattering SCREAM of 1,000 >>hell-scorched souls, drawing unwanted attention to your cubicle from >>co-workers and supervisors alike. After violently ripping itself from the >>wall, your computer will punch through your office window as it STREAKS >>into the night, HOWLING like a BANSHEE. Once free, it will spend the rest >>of its days SODOMIZING household PETS and MOCKING the POPE. >> >>Some filthy, disgusting miscreant... some no-good, low-down, good-for >>-nothing DIRTY SNAKE, in twisted pursuit of his own sadistic dreams,is >>sending this virus across the Net via an e-mail entitled "Free Money." What >>is so terrifying about this virus is that you do not even to have to open >>the e-mail for it to activate. In fact, you do not even need to RECEIVE the >>e-mail. You do not even need to OWN a COMPUTER. "Free Money" can infect >>even minor HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES. >> >>How it does this with straight ASCII code is, franky, a matter of some >>debate... but BELIEVE YOU US, if this weren't a SERIOUS situation, we >>wouldn't be discussing it in ALL CAPS. >> >>So for the LOVE OF GOD, forward this e-mail to all those you claim to care >>about, all those you purport to love. Don't do it later! Do it NOW! Now! >>Now! NOW! NOW! NOW! >> >>-- Hans Bjordahl >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >== Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:32:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA23908; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA23896; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from martinko@localhost) by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA19705; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:32:08 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:32:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? To: ezzevvravess In-Reply-To: <199609051919.MAA05056@netcom.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Steve Simitzis wrote: > This is actually a better idea. In a drum circle, everyone has their > own sound, their own space, and their acoustic source. This should be > no different. but then in an acoustic drum circle, each person has instant access to only a few instruments, not an entire drum orchestra as is available on many drum machines. And in the drum machine circle, everyones sound will be pumped through a few speaker cones, that is unless everyone wants to bring their own amp. And if everyone *does* bring their own amp, would that mean everyone else would have to limit their own output to match the person with the lowest level? Sounds like the same thing as a mixer to me. jmar! | J M R T N K O | fonstrosities and other toys by ILLGBLITY ENGNRING. | | D S G N E T C | JOHN-A MARTINKO, w. desk chief martinko@netcom.com | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:41:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA24811; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA24805; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca39-03.ix.netcom.com [205.187.203.67]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA17345 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:41:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:41:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199609052041.NAA17345@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Beautiful People tomorrow!!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello again, Well, it's time to post about the BP party tomorrow night. It is definately on!!! This party is dedicated to Omar and his recent misfortune. We will be donating a portion of the profits to Omar's mother to help her fly back and forth to Reno to see him, as well as cope with the tragedy. In the midst of this awful time there is a lot of positive energy floating around. We ask that all of you grab as much positive energy as you possibly can, and bring it to tomorrow's Beautiful People Party!!! We need to come together and bridge the gap between thought and action!!! So come and dance with us as we celebrate life, love, harmony and the effectivness of positive energy!!!! Omar needs us right now, and we need him, so let's all join together as one family, brothers and sisters, to send him the biggest dose of positive energy humanly possible!!!!!!! Dj's: Trent - Minor Minor - Brandon - Dano - Greg :) - Moonpup(?) (not yet confirmed) (408)486-9591 & (408)450-3044 & (415)263-4885 The space is in San Francisco, and there is a map point at Frequency - 8. F-8 is located on the toip of Haight st. in S.F. Ticket price is $15 or $10 with your prepurchased Harmony 3 year ticket. Also, for those of you who don't have your 3 year tickets, they will be on sale at the map point, and then if you purchase one you can take advantage of the discount as well. Feel free to bring anything you want except for guns, knives and negative energy (like that will be a problem:) Bring all your positive energy and love for Omar and our family. There will be a brief moment of silence for our beloved friend at some point in the night. This will hopefully reach our friend, and show him that we are here for him. Peace, love, and harmony to all beautiful people, 100 Acre Woods and The Harmony Crew :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:46:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA25359; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cluon.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA25349; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ts1-4.cluon.com (ts1-4.cluon.com [205.178.12.195]) by cluon.com (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA14073 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:46:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cluon.com: Host ts1-4.cluon.com [205.178.12.195] didn't use HELO protocol Message-ID: <322F3C85.5F9C@cluon.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 13:48:05 -0700 From: Devin X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: RE: LA TIMES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk http://www.latimes.com/HOME/SEARCH/ -do a search on Burning Man Good Reading From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:50:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA25847; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA25784; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA11634 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:50:01 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960905205010.00741d0c@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 13:50:10 -0700 To: SFRaves From: "THX1138" Subject: RE: Parents/Tim's Sit. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; I think any parents who don't love their children UNCONDITIONALLY, ARE SATANIST. It's a funny think that those who do all the accusing usually commit the worst acts; sad but true. These facts actually lend some credibility to the existence of Satan/God. For I say if I/you were Satan; what better way/place to hide who and what you are than behind the mask of church/religion. For if you were pure evil, & you had a lot of time; almost an enternity, you would have to be very, very clever so not to be recogized, and hide/mask yourself in such way so to be almost beyond reproach. At least that's how I would do it, if I was Satan, pretty clever huh. Try playing the devil's advocate and see what YOU come up with. Ask yourselves, if I was Satan; pure evil how would I corrupt the word of God; see what you come up with, and apply it to most of the reigions present today. Personally, I think there is/was a very, very sick English King laughing at all of us from is grave, with the greatest of delight. Peace brian darknEs^2 The cool catch phrase for the 22nd century is gonna be... drum roll please question religion From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:50:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA25895; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA25883; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id NAA24246; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:50:16 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960905201952.008a1c2c@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:50:12 -0800 To: "sfraves" From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Harmony & Omar Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:19 PM -0700 9/5/96, THX1138 wrote: >Dear All; > > Argh!!!!!, would some kind sole please inform the clueless what's >going on with this situation. All I have in front of me is people asking me >for money, with no cause or reason behind it, thanks. Yes, I know Omar too, >was he in THEE accident? or another? ...etc Since Brian automatically trashes my email, could someone relay to him that he should go back and read Greg Sandler's heartfelt emails about Omar, and that yes it was Omar in THE accident at Burning Man (refering of course to the accident upon which a car ran over a tent full of sleeping ravers, for I imagine if you were friends with the motorcyclist who ran into the van, you might consider that THE accident, right?), and that the people asking him for money, "with no cause or reason behind it" are doing so because 1) Omar had no insurance, 2) Omar may be in ICU for a very long time (6 months?), and 3) Omar's mom lives in San Jose and Omar will be in Reno for that very long time, thus she will need to travel there and back, taking time off work. All reasons to help offer some support.... Sign me, Informed but automatically trashed From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:53:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA26137; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plague.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA26132; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dlb@localhost) by plague.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA07012; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:53:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:53:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bayer X-Sender: dlb@plague.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: and another BM report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Joe Rice wrote: > entertainment - There was great music coming from all the larger systems > and I'd be quite thankful to anyone who can tell me who was played the > great dub set on the Spaz system on Sunday morning. Sebastin from spiral tribe. dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 13:59:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA26660; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA26651; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28026 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.249] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07453 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:59:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:58:15 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wayne Correia Subject: HARMONY 3-year tix still available. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Vince and I sold quite a few of our allocation of tix at Burning Man, and I have the rest here. If any of you want tix and are in SF, give me a call and make arrangements to come by. -w ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia +1.415.826.6000 FAX +1.415.826.6100 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 14:02:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA27154; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA27138; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id OAA25573; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199609052102.OAA25573@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: B-man pics To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: socal-raves@ucsd.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have not seen anyone post about bman '96 pictures online yet. I found some at: http://www.cyberbuss.com/bman.htm -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 14:11:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA27984; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA27976; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA21408; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:27:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:27:25 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609052027.NAA21408@netcom.netcom.com> To: nancys@ucdata.Berkeley.EDU In-reply-to: (message from Nancy Shaw on Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:18:28 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Fundraising Party for Omar CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think everyone will want to lend a hand. Count me in. I also only know Omar from seeing him around, friends of friends, and from City Espresso. But I think it's really cool how so many people have wanted to jump up and support him and his family. Some of us know him well, some just know his face, and some of us just don't know him at all. But no matter what, he is family to us. Many of us have moved here without a family, and maybe family is several thousand miles away. It's so nice to know that there are people, both friends and strangers, who can fill that gap during times of need. You guys rock. always tickled pink just to be alive, Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 14:26:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA29500; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA29483; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.9) id OAA20724; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609052125.OAA20724@guilder.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Nancy Shaw From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Fundraising Party for Omar Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'd be willing to spin ambient/idm, or play live ambient/idm with "RE:" Rick At 12:18 PM 9/5/96 -0700, you wrote: > >In light of Moonpup's very generous offer, maybe we could put together an >all-volunteer party to raise money for Omar's family?? > >I know there will be donations Friday night, plus profits (?) from the >3-year, but each of these are parties with large overheads. Maybe a >Saturday bbq or a house party with _all_ proceeds going to this cause? > >I'm willing to help plan, but have never put together a party. Are there >people out there who'd like to make this happen?? > >With love, >Nancy > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 14:28:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA29700; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mhhaa.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA29692; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from notes2.compuserve.com ([149.174.221.56]) by mhhaa.compuserve.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA20448.; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by notes2.compuserve.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.17/2.0) id AA3904; Thu, 05 Sep 96 17:28:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9609052128.AA3904@notes2.compuserve.com> Received: by External Gateway (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 33EB2F0BAACF00008825639C00739950; Thu, 5 Sep 96 17:28:20 To: sfraves From: "nathan.b.beckord" Date: 5 Sep 96 14:07:54 Subject: Intro/Germany/BM experience/injuries (long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Howdy Folks! I thought Id introduce myself, share my Burning Man experience, and ramble on aimlesly about other things. The names Nathan, and Ive been lurking here on the list for some time now. Ive been getting really excited about the sense of community on the SFRaves list, and am looking forward to checking out some upcoming events and meeting some of youz fine peoplez. My AWESOME experience at BM, and the Raves camp motivated me to say hi. Hi! Short Bio: 24 years here on the Planet. Originally from Boulder, CO. Drawn to the Bay Area cause of its coooolness, went to SCU. Went to a few big commercial raves while in school, and to some incredible parties when I studied in Berlin two years ago. (INCREDIBLE energy over there- lots of spontaneous unplanned parties in basements and courtyards of partially bombed, never rebuilt buildings in the former East Berlin, with half-buried buses, gutted jet fighters, raw metal work art. Other cool places like Ewerk, a former power plant converted to a disco. Entering through barbed-wire gates, dancing in, around and on huge rusted machinery and equipment. Before the Wall came down, all young Germans had to either serve two years in the Army or do two years community service, unless they lived in West Berlin. W. Berlin became a magnet for all artists/writers/other cretive types, and when the Wall came down, they moved into the numerous deserted buildings in the East, and have created an amazing scene. If you get a chance, check it out soon, as it may not last long. Rents are going up, owners are slowly re-claiming and developing the buildings, the capitol was moved from Bonn to Berlin, etc. GO NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!! Anywayz, moved to SF, the Greatest City on Earth, a year ago. Work for Big Corporate America, but in a small group within BCA; I like my job, I like the people, so its not as soulless as it sounds. Also started a web consulting firm (shameless plug: www.cwsi.com) last November. Likes: music, motorcycles (anyone else got one? lets ride!), food, Yahtzee, enjoying life. BM was a super experience for me. It was my first one, but I had been planning for it for months. It evolved into a Mecca for me, a pligrimage to the Desert, a chance to exorcise some personal demons that had been building for some time and to turn around some bad karma that was beginning to evolve. My posse was the Golden Shower Camp, the folks who brought you the Mass Shower ( and the resulting Mud Fashion Show, the Mud Wrestling, and the Slide Contest). It was alot of work, but an absolute blast to be able to participate and to let people get good n muddy and bond with Mother Earth. Very sad to hear about the injuries of the people who were hit in their tent. It seems that whenever something great gets big, tragedy seems to follow. Not to place blame, but after catching a ride back from the rave camp around 6 am on the trunk of a kind souls big american boatster (thanks again if youre out there) with Shakti and two other Gents, we were hanging out at the camp cleaning up, and there were two pickup trucks of drunk young Yokals racing around the camps, tearing through the mud pit splashing tents, and generally causing trouble. Im assuming they found the responsible party, but if not, I think I got a bit of video of the truck when I was filming the sunrise, and the time frame seems to fit. However, it should be said that the locals were m ostly very cool. One family of local alfalfa farmers set us hard core with the use of their water truck, which was used to bring all that water to the shower. Another older couple gave us some huge inflatable boxing gloves. On a related subject, if anyone wants a copy of the video, I have about two hours of footage. Email me, and send me a blank tape, and Ill make a copy. Most of the scene is taken from the perspective of the Golden Shower Camp, and there is unfortuneately no footage of the Rave Camp, but I do have some good scenes of the Playa, of Mud People, and of things burning including Helco, the Man, and Stonehenge. But I missed the Opera scene and the burning of the Castle, so if you happened to film that or other stuff, PLEASE email me and lets trade tapes. Other highlights of BM: huge Hell-themed opera, that ended with the burning of a large ornate castle; bands driving around on trailers, everything from heavy metal to polka to a guy with a pipe organ that mainly played the theme from gilligan's island; a couple incredible rave camps; a structure of 80 pianos, that was of course burned; probably 3-4 drum circles at any given time; a large recreation of Stonehenge that was also burned; drag shows; mud pits, with wrestling, slide contests, fashion shows, etc; parachuters; freaky circus acts; motorized couches that cruised around; motorized toilets; rocket powered bicycles; constant fireworks; meditation to the melting of a 500 lb. ice sculpture; and,naturally, the Burning of the Man itself. All this under a full moon, on the very surreal environment of a huge dry lake bed, devoid of features. Enough talk. Lets dance. Im going to try and make it to Harmony this weekend. I will probably be wearing a half red and half yellow cat collar with three bells on it, and probably some form of velvet. See you there!! -Nathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 14:28:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA29760; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA29749; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA03635; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:33:44 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609051433.ZM3633@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:33:44 -0700 In-Reply-To: ozymandias G desiderata "Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait?" (Sep 5, 12:52pm) References: <199609051952.MAA10962@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: ozymandias G desiderata , larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sep 5, 12:52pm, ozymandias G desiderata wrote: > > I'd argue that no master clock should be used. Yes, there's a danger > that things could get messy and out of hand without a master clock, but > that's part of the idea, isn't it? I think the more minimal and raw we > could make this whole thing, the more interesting the results could > be. Or maybe do part of it with a clock, and part without. I'm planning > on bringing at least one hand-built percussion module with me next > year, that may or may not be sync-capable (promises, promises). no no, master clock good, switch it off now and then > lc> 3. Would the conductor have mixing powers, or does everyone who shows up > lc> get equal volume into the mix? > > I say that everyone should have equal volume. Basically, I consider > anything that has the potential to increase chaos should be left in > (which will come as no surprise to people who know me). Drum machines > are cold little boxes that make cold little sounds, and you have to > work to allow the sound of a drum machine to breathe. no no, chaos is good. noise. > I vote against extraneous accompaniment, but I think that owners of the > various drum machines should be allowed to hack the sounds coming from > them as much as they'd like. If you want to run your kick through a > ring modulator or a Rat distortion pedal, more power to you. You'd be > surprised how much can be expressed purely with percussion -- many of > my most reliable dancefloor tracks are all-percussion (Plastikman, > Robert Armani, most Basic Channel and Chain Reaction stuff, Fawn, > G-Man, and many others are all artists that make excellent minimal > techno using little except processed beats). yes yes. no guitars, etc. -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 14:30:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA29933; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA29928; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA03640; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:35:22 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609051435.ZM3638@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:35:21 -0700 In-Reply-To: Devin "RE: LA TIMES" (Sep 5, 1:48pm) References: <322F3C85.5F9C@cluon.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Devin , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: LA TIMES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk wbl's own steve lerner, ranting poetic On Sep 5, 1:48pm, Devin wrote: > Subject: RE: LA TIMES > http://www.latimes.com/HOME/SEARCH/ > -do a search on Burning Man > > Good Reading > >-- End of excerpt from Devin -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 14:35:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA00385; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seidc.sei.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA00372; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet.sei.com (monet.sei.com [198.202.174.27]) by seidc.sei.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA26216; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:34:24 -0700 From: Martin Randall Received: (kk@localhost) by monet.sei.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA07669; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:34:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199609052134.OAA07669@monet.sei.com> Subject: Re: B-man pics To: tsheets@xanadu.cyborganic.net (Troy Sheets) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199609052102.OAA25573@xanadu.cyborganic.net> from "Troy Sheets" at Sep 5, 96 02:02:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There are also some pics at: http://www.triptonite.com/bman96/ - Martin > > > I have not seen anyone post about bman '96 pictures online yet. I found > some at: > > http://www.cyberbuss.com/bman.htm > > -troy > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me > tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only > http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content > troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 14:47:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA01894; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA01888; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA25269; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:47:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:47:12 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609052147.OAA25269@netcom17.netcom.com> To: martinko@netcom.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: (martinko@netcom.com) Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:32:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." > > but then in an acoustic drum circle, each person has instant access to > only a few instruments, not an entire drum orchestra as is available on > many drum machines. And in the drum machine circle, everyones sound will > be pumped through a few speaker cones, that is unless everyone wants to > bring their own amp. And if everyone *does* bring their own amp, would > that mean everyone else would have to limit their own output to match > the person with the lowest level? Sounds like the same thing as a mixer > to me. > > Chances are, everyone wouldn't have an amp to bring. But if so, I'd argue that it would actually sound better to keep everything to a lower level. Going back to the drum circle analogy, each instrument produces very little sound in comparison to the entire group. But when you add everything together, the sound is enormous. Now take a large group of electronic instruments, each capable of an enormous sound individually. Put them all together. Sludge. How is this different from a mixer? location, location, location! Piping everything threw a common amp gives the feeling of a single acoustic location, as opposed to spreading everything out. In real life, sound doesn't come from a single point; it comes from everywhere. Real life isn't stereo or mono; it's omni. I still say we surround ourselves with guitar amps and go off. always flexible, Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 14:49:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA02081; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA02070; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14820 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08668 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:49:09 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:55:10 -0800 To: Rick Riffle From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: Fundraising Party for Omar Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Rick, Nancy, I too am in (ambientwise) if anyone else is. ( I can supply a couple of fidgety 1200's...crotchety enough probably to only be used in a chill room and an equally fussy mixer...if someone can help with transport) Rick, what is idm? I'm curious to know how you play live...I recently did a "live" performance with guitar, drum machine, turntables & some effects units..I'm interested in talking and/or working with you, if you are. Let me know how the response is. peter >I'd be willing to spin ambient/idm, or play live ambient/idm with "RE:" > >Rick > >At 12:18 PM 9/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >> >>In light of Moonpup's very generous offer, maybe we could put together an >>all-volunteer party to raise money for Omar's family?? >> >>I know there will be donations Friday night, plus profits (?) from the >>3-year, but each of these are parties with large overheads. Maybe a >>Saturday bbq or a house party with _all_ proceeds going to this cause? >> >>I'm willing to help plan, but have never put together a party. Are there >>people out there who'd like to make this happen?? >> >>With love, >>Nancy >> >> Peter Sandifer Customer Service =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Niles & Associates, Inc. 800 Jones Street voice:1 (510) 559-8592 Berkeley, CA 94710 fax:1 (510) 559-8683 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mac Technical Support mac-support@niles.com PC Technical Support pc-support@niles.com General Information info@niles.com Product Registration register@niles.com FTP site ftp.niles.com World Wide Web http://www.niles.com "Serving more than 100,000 users worldwide." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 14:50:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA02192; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA02185; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA17388 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:50:34 -0700 Received: from hera.synopsys.com (hera.synopsys.com [146.225.100.23]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA17031; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:50:14 -0700 Received: from [146.225.54.53] (mac-54-53.synopsys.com [146.225.54.53]) by hera.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA21878; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:49:56 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:50:55 -0700 To: Martin Randall From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: B-man pics Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >There are also some pics at: > >http://www.triptonite.com/bman96/ > >- Martin > I tried to access that URL using Netscape, and got an error stating that the file was not found on the server, or something to that effect. - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 15:04:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA03267; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seidc.sei.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA03215; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet.sei.com (monet.sei.com [198.202.174.27]) by seidc.sei.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA27907; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:03:27 -0700 From: Martin Randall Received: (kk@localhost) by monet.sei.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA07728; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:03:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199609052203.PAA07728@monet.sei.com> Subject: Re: B-man pics To: kk@sei.com (Martin Randall) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199609052134.OAA07669@monet.sei.com> from "Martin Randall" at Sep 5, 96 02:34:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Of course, there's also the Black Rock City site with some excellent stuff and good links (incl. cyberbuss) at: http://www.istorm.com/burningman/ Enjoy! - Martin (again!) > > There are also some pics at: > > http://www.triptonite.com/bman96/ > > - Martin > > > > > > > I have not seen anyone post about bman '96 pictures online yet. I found > > some at: > > > > http://www.cyberbuss.com/bman.htm > > > > -troy > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me > > tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only > > http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content > > troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 15:09:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA03962; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vega.iii.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA03953; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vega.iii.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA09277; Thu, 5 Sep 96 15:03:47 -0700 Received: by molly (5.61/1.34) id AA27188; Thu, 5 Sep 96 15:01:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 15:01:55 -0700 From: melvinm@iii.com (Melvin Monterrosa) Message-Id: <9609052201.AA27188@molly> To: Jason_Green*@quickmail.apple.com Subject: OMAR Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jason, I don't know you nor Omar nor anyone form Harmony, but I do lurk on the sfraves list, feeling in someway connected with your positive vibe and everyday enjoying something new on the list. With that aside I want to send my deepest sympathy and the hopes that your friend Omar makes a fast and full recovery. I know your pain as I have lost a sister at the hands of a drunk driver. Omar sounds like a very happy and strong person, so the chances of him coming back ar great. I know that with all the pos energy that I and everyone else is sending will make its way to him and help him along his journey out of his coma. Amor y pas, Mello From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 15:26:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA05183; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from online.no by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA05163; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asker111.telepost.no (asker111.telepost.no [193.214.144.111]) by online.no (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07077 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 00:25:31 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 00:25:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609052225.AAA07077@online.no> X-Authentication-Warning: pat.online.no: Host asker111.telepost.no [193.214.144.111] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: balexand@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Sune Alexandersen Subject: Re: only one Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yes you are At 14:57 05.09.96 -0400, you wrote: >Am I the only one not getting posts here? >Jonathan > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 15:26:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA05195; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from online.no by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA05165; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asker111.telepost.no (asker111.telepost.no [193.214.144.111]) by online.no (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07073 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 00:25:27 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 00:25:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609052225.AAA07073@online.no> X-Authentication-Warning: pat.online.no: Host asker111.telepost.no [193.214.144.111] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: balexand@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Sune Alexandersen Subject: Re: Ok, what's a going on??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well Adam.... Don`t know about people over there, but here in Norway things are beginning to start up after a slooow summer again... a club called CONCRETE who`s considered as one of the best here in the capitol, has reopened again :) (it has been shut down by the authorities plenty of times before due to drugs etc...) Me and some friends of mine are planning on checking it out... Anyway, hope all of you will have a great weekend!! :) play it again, sam... At 18:47 05.09.96 GMT, you wrote: > >Sooo peoples, > > >Whats the situation for Friday night??? Any good goin'ons, or is everbody >still recooping from: The Man??? > > >"Inquiring Minds Want To Know!!!" > >--Adam >____________________________ >Transmitted from Computer Attic >SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 >Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 >____________________________ > > -------------------------------- ... -listen: there`s a hell of a great party next door; LET`S GO! - s. alexandersen --------------------------------------- I`ve been told that there is a goddes of beauty by the name of Sune.... I KNEW that I wasn`t like the other kids on the block! ---------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 15:53:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA08751; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA08743; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA00780; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trose@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA26406; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:49:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Anthony Rose To: Larry Ching cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: drum machines/ wasDrum Machine Circle: In-Reply-To: <199609050423.VAA04874@netcom16.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok, I am really interested in this idea! I have been playing around with progrmming beats on my 486 with a 16 bit sound card using two programs...one called drum and the other the drums. I am getting some neat results (especially since I began to sit in on an african drumming performance class)but the output is not that great. What other sorts of options are out there?, If I were to consider getting a drum machine what are the variables there? * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* Tony Rose UC Berkeley CS http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~trose ************** ******* ***** *** ** * * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 16:25:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA22200; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA22194; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA22175 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trose@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA03312 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:20:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Anthony Rose To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: http://entertainNET.com/burningman Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk cool pics! * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* Tony Rose UC Berkeley CS http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~trose ************** ******* ***** *** ** * * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 16:34:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA23172; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA23086; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host.domain.net (host.domain.net [157.22.222.1]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01430 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.215.97.143] (h97-143.ccnet.com [192.215.97.143]) by host.domain.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA25506; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:21:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: marcy@host.domain.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:25:06 -0700 To: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) From: marcy@elusive.com (Marcy Swenson) Subject: Re: Burning Man Moments Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Leslie, You couldn't have echoed my sentiments about Burning Man more eloquently. I had many different experiences than you did, and some of the same, but the awe and wonder at seeing a civilization begin and end within the span of a week was nothing short of magical. Everyone who came to burning man came with the motivation to experience something out of the ordinary--and we certainly all did. ;) Now I understand why everyone I spoke to who had been before couldn't stop talking about it. It's like nothing else I've ever experienced. Thanks to all who helped to make it possible! Still reeling from all I learned... --Marcy Swenson _________________________________________________________________________ Marcy Swenson 415.695.9471 marcy@elusive.com fax.695.9466 _________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 16:34:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA23182; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA23118; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01376 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA24109; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trose@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA01588; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:11:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:11:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Anthony Rose To: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." cc: ezzevvravess Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk What does everyone think about doing this somewhere like the berkeley marina some saturday or sunday? * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* Tony Rose UC Berkeley CS http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~trose ************** ******* ***** *** ** * * On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, JMRTNKO! please stand by... wrote: > On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Steve Simitzis wrote: > > > This is actually a better idea. In a drum circle, everyone has their > > own sound, their own space, and their acoustic source. This should be > > no different. > > but then in an acoustic drum circle, each person has instant access to > only a few instruments, not an entire drum orchestra as is available on > many drum machines. And in the drum machine circle, everyones sound will > be pumped through a few speaker cones, that is unless everyone wants to > bring their own amp. And if everyone *does* bring their own amp, would > that mean everyone else would have to limit their own output to match > the person with the lowest level? Sounds like the same thing as a mixer > to me. > > jmar! > > | J M R T N K O | fonstrosities and other toys by ILLGBLITY ENGNRING. | > | D S G N E T C | JOHN-A MARTINKO, w. desk chief martinko@netcom.com | > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 16:43:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA23986; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA23974; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id QAA22087; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:43:39 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id QAA14690; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:43:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:43:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: health/parties and such... To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all! Well, for those that care (blessed be) today is my first day without pain medication since last friday and my 2nd day without wearing my arm sling. My shoulder is sore and weak but healing. Also, thanks to the kindness of some friends (including a semi-lurker with money to burn ;) I have places to stay until I can get back into the dorms on Sept. 24. I do thank all those who sent kind words/thoughts/vibes etc.. =) On to better things; BP is tommorrow (in the City) and promises to be _fun_!! Greg (as usual) is stressing so please come early and come often (oops, wrong crowd). Bring hugs and toys and your wonderful selves. Dionysus Dreams will be there to help with techno-decorations Please keep in mind that we are trying to raise money for Omar who was injured at Burning Man by a careless driver who drove past parked vehicles into a camping area and ran over tents with sleepers in them. Omar has sustained numerous skull fractures and bruises to the brain (incredibly bad for a person!!!) He is in a coma at the ICU in Reno and will most likely be there for 6 months or so. His mother is also incurring plane costs as she lives in SF and our benefit proceeds will also help with her travel costs. (jeez, now my shoulder injury seems pretty silly) Peace and love, Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 16:47:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA24324; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA24317; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.9) id QAA19105; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609052346.QAA19105@guilder.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Paul Anthony Rose From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm into it. Rick At 04:11 PM 9/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >What does everyone think about doing this somewhere like the >berkeley marina some saturday or sunday? > > >* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* >Tony Rose >UC Berkeley CS >http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~trose >************** ******* ***** *** ** * * > >On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, JMRTNKO! please stand by... wrote: > >> On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Steve Simitzis wrote: >> >> > This is actually a better idea. In a drum circle, everyone has their >> > own sound, their own space, and their acoustic source. This should be >> > no different. >> >> but then in an acoustic drum circle, each person has instant access to >> only a few instruments, not an entire drum orchestra as is available on >> many drum machines. And in the drum machine circle, everyones sound will >> be pumped through a few speaker cones, that is unless everyone wants to >> bring their own amp. And if everyone *does* bring their own amp, would >> that mean everyone else would have to limit their own output to match >> the person with the lowest level? Sounds like the same thing as a mixer >> to me. >> >> jmar! >> >> | J M R T N K O | fonstrosities and other toys by ILLGBLITY ENGNRING. | >> | D S G N E T C | JOHN-A MARTINKO, w. desk chief martinko@netcom.com | >> >> > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 16:48:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA24431; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA24415; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id QAA22847; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:48:04 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id QAA14882; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:48:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:48:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Harmony 3 year (BSP) To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi again! Just wanted to mention that there are Harmony tix available in Santa Cruz. Please e-mail me privately and I'll give you the # to call. Hugz, Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 16:54:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA24927; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA24918; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA08921; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:54:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:54:02 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609052354.QAA08921@netcom17.netcom.com> To: trose@uclink2.berkeley.edu CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: (message from Paul Anthony Rose on Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:11:09 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Where do I sign? I would love to watch the sunset over the bay while pounding on my 660... Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:11:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: Paul Anthony Rose > cc: ezzevvravess > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com > Precedence: bulk > > What does everyone think about doing this somewhere like the > berkeley marina some saturday or sunday? > > > * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* > Tony Rose > UC Berkeley CS > http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~trose > ************** ******* ***** *** ** * * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 17:01:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA25555; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA25539; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id RAA29918; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199609060000.RAA29918@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: trose@uclink2.berkeley.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199609052354.QAA08921@netcom17.netcom.com> from "Steve Simitzis" at Sep 5, 96 04:54:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay, this sounds like it could be a cool idea, but I don't think all of sfraves needs to be hearing it. Becuase of this, I MAY start a drum-machine-circle list to take this off of sfraves. If you are interested, let me know, and I will add you by hand. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 17:13:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA26727; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nak.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA26713; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (ucdata.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.165.25]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA02698; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ucdata.Berkeley.EDU.ucdt (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA06425; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:07:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nancy Shaw Subject: Party for Omar = "Tigger"! To: simitzis@netcom.com, rdriffle@ucdavis.edu, peter@niles.com, melvinm@iii.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Steve, Rick, Peter, Melvin, and SFRaves family, It's heartening to see so many people willing to help! Greg is already organizing a fundraiser, I think it would probably be best if we all threw our energy behind this one!! "Tigger" in early Oct. :) Greg, let us know what us (or anyone) can do to help make this party as amazing (and lucrative!) as possible... N From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 17:19:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA27519; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA27510; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA15508; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:19:26 -0700 Received: (robj@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA15007; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:44:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:44:34 -0700 From: Rob Jellinghaus Message-Id: <199609052344.QAA15007@shellx.best.com> To: martinko@netcom.com, simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Subject: Re: Drum Machine Circle: Why Wait? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Now take a large group of electronic instruments, each capable of an >enormous sound individually. Put them all together. Sludge. >How is this different from a mixer? location, location, location! So use a quadraphonic mixer, or something, to spatialize all the different sound sources! The mixer controller then is the one who "lays out the sonic space" for all the rhythmakers. Now if only we all had T1's and the streaming-audio Netcast 1998 version of Mixman, we could put the entire thing up on the Net and let anyone who wants to do their own mix of it, or even join in... hell, perhaps someday there'll be a worldwide network of continuously jamming random folks... latency'll kill you, though.... That'd be cool--to have the "ambient voice of the Internet" continuously playing in the background. Hmm, I wonder who's working on this already? Sorry for the digression >-) Rob Jellinghaus robj@unreal.com http://www.best.com/~robj From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 17:30:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA28664; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA28658; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.86.220.227 (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA16700 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:30:20 -0700 Message-ID: <322F71AE.5C13@best.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 17:34:54 -0700 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: what does BSP stand for? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Blatant Sissy Plug?...naw.....ok, I give up. -alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 18:03:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA01547; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xtof.sct.fr by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA01533; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: topher@france-techno.fr Received: from [194.206.158.157] (nice0-138.sct.fr [194.206.158.138]) by xtof.sct.fr (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA17723 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 02:54:27 +0100 X-Sender: topher@www.france-techno.fr Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 03:03:23 +0100 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: MY FAULT ! THE VIRUS IS A HOAX ! I DIDN'T MEAN IT ! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry for the hassle... Despite what you might think, I just forwarded this message that I got from someone else (who got it from someone else...) and it was in a good intention. Those messages are mostly sent by people who are usually altruistic enough to care for other people, otherwise, they would keep the message for themselves which is probably the way most of you acted when you were still a "newbie" and you found the same kind of message in your mailbox. For your information, let me tell you that a virus can be sent in attachment to a message, and therefore, one is never too cautious... The funny thing is that: 1- Everybody supposedly knows it's a hoax, but everyone read it !... 2- Most of the mailing lists are flooded with useless and unwanted conversations that take up much more space, but no-one complains... 3- I never got so much mail from people bitching and complaining when all they had to do was delete this message. 4- I got feedback from very nice people who were simply explaining me why I shouldn't have forwarded this kind of message to people who were telling me the very same thing in some more primitive way... By the way, so many people complained about the length of my signature that I shortened it a little. No big deal though, I don't complain when I come across a longer signature (and I did... several times...), I just delete it. I was even told that I had used the virus subject to make publicity for my website since its address is included in the signature !!!!! Ha Ha Ha !!... If I had really wanted to do that, I would have chosen a better subject (Like: "Something Interesting"), don't you think ? I think that too many people make mountains out of molehills and that is why the pseudo-virus in question is so talked about. I'm sure there will still be people talking about it in a week from now... (interesting conversations in view on the mailing lists !...) Prove yourself that you have a life: Don't reply to this letter. (I know some will anyway since they don't have anything else to do...) My apologies to those of you that it truly bothered (for some reason...) + to the ones who made light of it for the obvious irony of this mail which is only directed to those who feel concerned. See ya ! Topher. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 18:07:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA01933; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA01923; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Thu, 5 Sep 96 18:13 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960906010510.35af7c2e@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 18:05:10 -0700 To: knucklehead@club.net (Knucklehead) From: Freak Zone Subject: Re: BM and soon to be homeless Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >The day I returned home my mom was leaving to >pick up my brother from school and said she needed to talk to me. When she >returned she asked....told me I had to move out because she knows what I've >been doing. With a stupid look on my face I asked her what she meant. She >said she found my yellow paper on Burning Man (the one some of you my have >gotten prior to BM) and said Burning Man was about Worshiping Satan. You had better not let her find any Come-Unity flyers! -Sean ___________________________________ F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." email: freakz@ultima.org freakz@geocities.com freakz@freemark.com www: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3420/ (415) 227-7421 =================================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 18:10:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA02245; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA02238; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Thu, 5 Sep 96 18:13 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960906010521.3a2f9868@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 18:05:21 -0700 To: Milton Cecil From: Freak Zone Subject: SPAZ (was BM....life & death) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >SPAZ, was non existent, and after last years success, I had hoped Spaz >would come on strong again, but I don't know what happened to >them.........too bad. (besides last year they had asked me to play, and I >wanted to drop my new records at the BM somewhere). I heard that while the Spaz crew was in New York City, they met up with some people who invited them to use their wearhouse to have a party. When they showed up they were instructed to drive inside to unload their gear. One of the people there pulled a gun and told them to unload their sound system, turntables, records, etc. into another van alond with their distrubitor cap and were left there! BUMMER! -Sean ___________________________________ F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." email: freakz@ultima.org freakz@geocities.com freakz@freemark.com www: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3420/ (415) 227-7421 =================================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 18:15:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA02649; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wired.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA02641; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.62.132.173] (jaws.hotwired.com [204.62.132.173]) by wired.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29653 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:15:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: jen@wired.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:24:16 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "jaw's" Subject: pressing records Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk reply to: jonathan@hotwired.com does anyone know where to get vinyl pressed locally? ten or twelve inches. small quantities. thanks, jen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 18:26:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA03459; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA03448; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Thu, 5 Sep 96 18:32 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960906012413.3b4f5d9c@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 18:24:13 -0700 To: Aryck From: Freak Zone Subject: Re: To those who have eaten muchrooms....... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 04:14 PM 9/2/96 -0700, Aryck wrote: > I have the answer. > I'll bet! -Sean ___________________________________ F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." email: freakz@ultima.org freakz@geocities.com freakz@freemark.com www: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3420/ (415) 227-7421 =================================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 18:26:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA03502; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA03492; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA25505 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:25:18 -0700 Received: by crl.crl.com id AA26548 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for sfraves@hyperreal.com); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:14:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Ankrum To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Job opportunity (NRR) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, My company currently has the following job available. I'd be happy to answer your questions about working conditions (excellent--several happy ravers work here), etc., email me privately for that. If you are interested and qualified and want to just press forward, contact Mike Schroeder (mschroe@netguide.com). Kathryn >------------------------------------------------------------ >** Desktop Support Person wanted ** > >Availability: immediately full time temporary - >must be willing to work odd hours, late nights and weekends. > >Duties would include... > -Tech support/troubleshooting for 100+ users/workstations > -Installation of Macintosh/PC workstations and peripherals > -System software upgrades > -Software installation > -NT Administration > -Inventory and receiving > -Virus checks, disk checks/defragmentation > -Backup administration > -Internet browser configuration, plug-ins > >Must have experience with... > -Windows 95 > -Macintosh OS > -Ethernet networks > -Windows NT > -A variety of cross-platform software: MS Office, FileMaker, > Internet Explorer, Netscape, etc. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 18:29:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA03615; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seidc.sei.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA03603; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet.sei.com (monet.sei.com [198.202.174.27]) by seidc.sei.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA02911; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:28:27 -0700 From: Martin Randall Received: (kk@localhost) by monet.sei.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA08004; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:28:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199609060128.SAA08004@monet.sei.com> Subject: Re: what does BSP stand for? To: bwret@best.com (Alex) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <322F71AE.5C13@best.com> from "Alex" at Sep 5, 96 05:34:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Beautiful Smiling People? - martin > > Blatant Sissy Plug?...naw.....ok, I give up. > > -alex > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 19:40:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA08703; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hal.mobius.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA08692; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lnelson-pc by hal.mobius.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0uysiU-000JKYC; Thu, 5 Sep 96 21:40 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960905184200.002a9c28@mail.mobius.net> X-Sender: pauly@mail.mobius.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 19:42:00 +0100 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "w. p. risenhoover" Subject: Used music Exchange Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HI All: I just wanted to inform you all that I've added a "music marketplace" section to the x-radio site. This is basically an electronic version of the classified section of the newspaper, and it's FREE TO EVERYBODY. I've heard from a lot of people that they needed a place to advertise their used vinyl and cd's on the internet. Well, now that place exists. To place an ad, go to http://www.x-radio.com/x-radio/ and then select the "music marketplace" item. Happy trading! pauly x-radio http://www.x-radio.com/x-radio/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 20:13:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA10915; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA10907; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.15.69.37] (sf1-ppp75.well.com [206.15.69.75]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id UAA03720; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:13:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leftjab@mail.well.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:23:04 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: leftjab@well.com (leftjab) Subject: BM is . . . Cc: aditya@mh1.well.com, MMVV41C@prodigy.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk . . . discovering why animals wallow in the mud, after having to leave the pit in the heat of the day after 30 minutes or so because I was shivering . . . . . . making a pungent offering to the man, and figuring he was a male from the smoke alarm at his crotch . . . . . . locking your keys in the trunk, but not locking the car (don't ask), and having a campmate say, "No problem, last year I had to break into the car first and then the trunk to get my friend's keys" . . . later that night, right before sunrise, leaving the friendly, familiar, and, despite subsequent events, psychologically safe gateway site on a vision-quest to C.C.C., coping with the coldest part of the night around a fire where no one seemed cognizant of anyone else, and delighting at the most beautiful and welcome sunrise I have ever experienced while the live didje & trance drove me wild . . . . . . convoying the back way (mistake!!) to pyramid lake, watching the car in front of you turn down a sandy road to the shore and get stuck, and having dove hunters (!) in a 4X4 come by 10 minutes later to pull them out . . . . . . going to the carwash late tuesday afternoon, and being asked, "So how did YOU enjoy it?" leftjab From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 20:57:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA13477; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA13469; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA04692; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:57:09 -0700 Received: from ccMail by CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA841982309; Thu, 05 Sep 96 20:55:34 PST Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 20:55:34 PST From: "Ciaran O'Hara" Message-Id: <9608058419.AA841982309@CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: RR : Ecstacy (reprise) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Following on from my posting last week, i can tell you all that Irvine welshe's latest book "Ecstacy" Is available from the Booksmith on Haight street, price $13.00 ($14.11 after tax). Available in two different paperback covers : Purple-headed mam with yellow "e" in mouth or red-headed man with blue "e" in mouth. I chose the former today, although in defference to Burningman maybe some of you will prefer the latter of the two mentioned. Mr. Logic From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 22:14:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA19965; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA19741; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net (root@dns1.noc.best.net [206.86.8.69]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA02087 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg131-201.ricochet.net [204.179.131.201]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA15259 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:02:19 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960906050149.006d9870@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 22:01:49 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: Re: what does BSP stand for? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk butthole surfers f(ph)legm? At 06:28 PM 9/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >Beautiful Smiling People? > >- martin > >> >> Blatant Sissy Plug?...naw.....ok, I give up. >> >> -alex >> > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 22:14:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA19989; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA19838; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM (zool.airtouch.com [151.144.254.21]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA02060 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA05436; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:59:48 -0700 Received: from ccMail by CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA841986069; Thu, 05 Sep 96 22:05:28 PST Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 22:05:28 PST From: "Ciaran O'Hara" Message-Id: <9608058419.AA841986069@CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Jonah Sharp @ the top Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, I've been on this list for a few months, I've posted a good few times, I've gone to Burning man, and I've only met one or two of you guys..... Sooo....I'm going to the Top on Haight tonite cos if my memory serves me correct Jonah Sharp is playing tonight. I'll be there around 12:15. I'll be at the bar talking to Leigh, Clive, or a girl with short brown hair. Or nobody :( I'm about 5'11" with blond hair and a goatee, backpack and a pair of headphones (coming from work). Btw, if moonpup is reading this : I owe you a drink if your in the area. Finally, if anyone else from BM recognises me I would like to say peace and sorry I wasn't more fun at the weekend. Ciaran. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 22:14:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA20022; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA19918; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA02069 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id WAA15290; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:00:58 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id WAA24514; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:00:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Boshko Abrams Subject: Skydiving To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ***Skydiving Anyone*** Ok, it's been almost two months since I last went skydiving (my second time), and, well, I WANT TO GO AGAIN. The only why that I can explain it is that it is the most incredible rush you'll ever experience Drugs and/or sex can't even come close to the sensation. But since I can't skydive every day, they will just have to do :) OK I don't want this to sound like an advertisment, but I just wanted to share an experience this great, with the greatest single group of prople I know. Skydiving was one of those things that I always wanted to do, but never had the oppertunity. It wasn't until a friend of mine randamly called me up one morning and said lets go jump out of a plain. My life hasen't been the same since. Just knowing that you can over come you fears is a great feeling, but also thinking about the fact that you survived a fall from 13,000 feet, it really makes you charish life (not that we need any reminders about charishing life right now :( My energy and love is with you, Omar). I won't be planing anything for certain for awhile. If this does happen it will have to take place on a weekend (probablly a saturday) and not maybe until a month from now. The place where I will be plaining the jump it in Lodi and it's called the Parachute Center. The jumps are all tandem. This is really a good thing, because you have a trained professional taking care of all of the technical aspects, you just get to enjoy the jump. The instructor, pulls the chute and helps you steer and land after the chute is open. The only ground school that you get is a fifteen minute video that talks about safe exiting from the plain and landings, the instructor really does take care of the rest. Having the instructor there actually made my jumps more enjoyable, because I didn't have to worry about anything excpet enjoying the fall. Now because they only have a limited number of instructors (around 10-15) we may not be able to all go at the same time, but that's OK because while your going the rest of us get to watch (and make ourselves more nervous :) They have five plains and the biggest one can hold 45 jumpers, so that won't be a problem. Jumping there is first come first serve, so I recomend that we go early and plain on satying a good part of the day. There are two reasons that we could be there for awhile, one if we have a lot of jumpers, we are going to have to compete for instructors (this is only if we want to jump in larger groups) and because it would be nice for us all to stay until everyone in our group jumps. Right now I have 4 friends that might go and my girlfriend who is definatily going (this will be her first time and she is really not the type of person who would usually do this) as long as her nerves stant up. Ok, now for the bad part. The cost is $100, this is really the cheapest price around. Another problem is anyone over 200 pounds only gets to jump from 6000 feet (instead of 13,000) which means your free fall is much shorter and on top of that they charge you more (I'm not sure how much). Another thing that you have to think about is that it really is a life and death experience. Even though the % of people dying is really small, it could happen (of course there is a much better chance of dying on the freeway, but that's been said about everything) The amount of deaths is really small, especially tandem, but you may feel free to call the Parachute Center for the statistics. This is all that I can think of telling you at the moment, all other information can be delt with later. I hope this works out, it really is a great experience. PLUR X 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Most of this is for you Omar. Mattloaf P.S. The Parachute Center's number is (209) 369-1128. Feel free to call and ask all the questions you like. Also if we get enough people, maybe we can get a group discount??? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 22:15:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA20167; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA20136; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA01964 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA01752 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:40:34 -0700 Received: by crl.crl.com id AA05035 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for sfraves@hyperreal.com); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:37:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:37:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Ankrum To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Paging Greg and Brian Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, I'm trying to get in touch with Greg (Bill's brother) and Brian McGonigle. Are you out there? Sorry to waste everyone's bandwidth with this one... Kathryn From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 22:27:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA21022; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA21008; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA05832; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:27:45 -0700 Received: from ccMail by CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA841987747; Thu, 05 Sep 96 22:28:20 PST Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 22:28:20 PST From: "Ciaran O'Hara" Message-Id: <9608058419.AA841987747@CCMAIL.AIRTOUCH.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Jonah Sharp @ the top Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, I've been on this list for a few months, I've posted a good few times, I've gone to Burning man, and I've only met one or two of you guys..... Sooo....I'm going to the Top on Haight tonite cos if my memory serves me correct Jonah Sharp is playing tonight. I'll be there around 12:15. I'll be at the bar talking to Leigh, Clive, or a girl with short brown hair. Or nobody :( I'm about 5'11" with blond hair and a goatee, backpack and a pair of headphones (coming from work). Btw, if moonpup is reading this : I owe you a drink if your in the area. Finally, if anyone else from BM recognises me I would like to say peace and sorry I wasn't more fun at the weekend. Ciaran. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Sep 5 23:15:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA23989; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA23977; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA18313; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 02:14:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 02:14:28 -0400 Message-ID: <960906021426_195512122@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: nancys@ucdata.berkeley.edu cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Fundraising Party for Omar Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I would be willing to spin!:) Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 01:00:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id BAA00615; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id BAA00609; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA16687 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:00:40 -0700 Received: from [206.86.235.114] (lesliea.vip.best.com [206.86.235.114]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA02051; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:00:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:00:29 -0700 X-Sender: lesliea@best.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) Subject: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! Cc: "Davidt" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If you could go on national TV and express your thoughts about raving, what would you say? Next week, the Leeza Show is doing a piece on raving, and it is likely that they're going to have me on the show. Yesterday I heard a commercial asking for people who were worried about their kids went to "rave parties" and took "herbal ecstacy" to call in for an upcoming show. With that sinking feeling of more bad press and misunderstanding, I decided it was important not to let another misguided piece of publicity happen without at least trying to affect it in a positive way. I've seen her show several times, and I believe that, albeit a daytime talk show host from LA, she is a genuine person, not sensationalistic, she is sensitive and she listens to her guests, trying to learn from them and empathizing with them with an open mind. This is not Montel Williams or Geraldo, although it is aimed at middle american daytime tv watchers. I left a voicemail that I was the mother of an 18 year old, but that I was the raver, not she, and I felt that if more people understood that raving can be a very positive and supportive environment and means of expression for their kids, they'd worry less. They called me back today, we talked for 1/2 hour, and they will confirm tomorrow that they want to fly me down to LA on Tuesday for a Wednesday show (I'm not sure when it actually shows). The producer seemed genuinely interested in understanding what raving is about, and is doing a lot of research and gathering a lot of information. I am confident that I can express my reasonable, grounded and open expression of how wonderful raving can be. But I would like to get some input and perspectives and words of advice from all of you, especially about any touchy areas you foresee and how they could be handled. While on one hand, I can really only represent myself and my own situation and opinions... on the other hand, I am a member of this community and will be considered a representative of it by those who see the show. That's why I want to know what advice and/or concerns you each might have, things to emphasize, things to completely avoid saying, and pitfalls you see or major concerns you might have about how my going on this show might affect our scene and our community. What's the best that could happen with this? What's the worst case scenario? What positive message can we leave people with? If ravers in other areas are watching, is there any way our "sf vibe" message that we get so much positive feedback about can be spread to them? In short, how can we make use of this opportunity to do good things for the rave scene, without doing any harm? I'd like to be a positive voice for our scene, and look forward to getting some of your thoughts. Love, Leslie (YIKES!!!) XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -O- -- [8 ._. 8] . _____. . \___/ . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 07:37:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id HAA01423; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saclink3.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id HAA01408; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by saclink3.csus.edu (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA289710649; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:37:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:37:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: BM is . . . To: leftjab Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > . . . going to the carwash late tuesday afternoon, and being asked, "So how did > YOU enjoy it?" Hee hee - I *STILL* haven't washed my car. I can't make myself just yet! :) love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 08:06:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA03542; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saclink3.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA03534; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by saclink3.csus.edu (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA004932378; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:06:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:06:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! To: Leslie Ayres Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > I am confident that I can express my reasonable, grounded and open > expression of how wonderful raving can be. Leslie, if anyone is a great spokesperson for the rave scene, it is you! :) I have no doubt that you can convey the positivity that our scene is made of. My concerns are not with you and how you will handle questions, but with the other guests and how the host will run the show - who will get the most attention. Talk shows stay on the air by their ratings, so Leeza, even if she is a "better" talk show host than Jenny Jones or Geraldo, will want to stay in the areas that will get her the most ratings. People like controversy - they wallow in it, and my feeling is that she will give unfair time to those who think raving is "bad and nothing but druggies". I am concerned that you won't get a fair shot. Media in general thrives on the "bad stuff". I have no doubts or concerns about you, Leslie. My concerns are out of your control... But please let us know what happens and if you do get to go on, I will record it! :) love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 08:08:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA03823; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.cis.smu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA03781; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by post.cis.smu.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.3) id ; Fri, 6 Sep 96 10:07 CDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:07:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Stephen Mark Ruiz Subject: Re: SPAZ (was BM....life & death) To: Freak Zone cc: Milton Cecil , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960906010521.3a2f9868@ultima.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Freak Zone wrote: > > >SPAZ, was non existent, and after last years success, I had hoped Spaz > >would come on strong again, but I don't know what happened to > >them.........too bad. (besides last year they had asked me to play, and I > >wanted to drop my new records at the BM somewhere). > > > I heard that while the Spaz crew was in New York City, they met up with some > people who invited them to use their wearhouse to have a party. When they > showed up they were instructed to drive inside to unload their gear. One of > the people there pulled a gun and told them to unload their sound system, > turntables, records, etc. into another van alond with their distrubitor cap > and were left there! Actually, James "Jack Acid", is the one who got the blunt end of that whole deal. I talked to him about a week ago at his mom's place in Oklahoma. He said it went down like this: They were unloading gear into the wearhouse, a group of what they thought were "rave kids" in a large group came up to them on the street. Well, they weren't. They started beating people with tire irons and such, and James got most of the beating. He ended up going to the hospital for the evening, but for the most part he's OK, except for lack of gear. James and I grew up together, and when I found out about this I was disturbed to say the least. I found out from Daum "Freaky Chakra" Bentley, and he didn't know much except that he was jumped....... But know I guess it's all good. Stepehn "Chameleon" ************************** The Digital Landscapes * Electronic Collective * /\/\/\/\ * | | * |(@)(@)| * \ /\ / * |()| * ************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 08:15:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA04708; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA04696; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA17373; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:14:22 -0700 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA04726; Fri, 6 Sep 96 08:14:20 PDT Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18184; Fri, 6 Sep 96 08:14:19 PDT From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9609061514.AA18184@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! To: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 8:14:18 PDT Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Leslie Ayres" at Sep 6, 96 1:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Leslie: > I am confident that I can express my reasonable, grounded and open > expression of how wonderful raving can be. But I would like to get some > input and perspectives and words of advice from all of you, especially > about any touchy areas you foresee and how they could be handled. I'm confident that you'll do a fine job. You're sure to be put on the defensive about the drug issue, however. Here are some points you might want to consider: 1. Kids who experiment with drugs at raves would most likely experiment with drugs even if there weren't any raves. This was true when you were younger during the 60's, 70's, and 80's. 2. The amount of drug use at raves today is no different than the amount of drug use today at niteclubs, rock concerts, or fraternity parties. If you do not want your kids to be around any people doing any drugs, you should prevent them from going to these types of events as well. 3. The kinds of drugs usually done at raves are safer than at other places. MDMA, and the small doses taken of LSD are less toxic, nonaddicting, and less disabling when compared to the alchohol, cocaine, heroin etc. taken in other scenes. Which isn't to say that these things are good for you. Fortunately, most ravers only do these occasionally, or perhaps try them a couple of times and then discover that they can get a natural high on the music and excitement alone. 4. Many ravers don't do "hard" drugs at all. It can be fun to stay up all nite, so many people you know take naps before going out, or drink coffee. You don't approve of Herbal E, but it really is more or less the same as taking pseudophed for a cold, and not terribly dangerous. Most people who try it conclude that it is waste of money. 5. You know many people who rave and have good jobs, go to school, are raising children, and are musically or artistically creative. They find that dancing and enjoying music with friends to be both mentally and physically healthy, stimulating them in positive ways. Some people put on raves to raise money for social causes, or to help someone in need. For many kids, raving is just a phase they go through for a couple of years before moving on to something else. Hope this helps. Lee _________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 08:18:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA04925; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA04911; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23133 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15270 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:17:56 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:23:57 -0800 To: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Leslie, If you've been to a rave, you know what's going on and that's all that matters. Good luck! -Peter >If you could go on national TV and express your thoughts about raving, what >would you say? Next week, the Leeza Show is doing a piece on raving, and >it is likely that they're going to have me on the show. > >Yesterday I heard a commercial asking for people who were worried about >their kids went to "rave parties" and took "herbal ecstacy" to call in for >an upcoming show. With that sinking feeling of more bad press and >misunderstanding, I decided it was important not to let another misguided >piece of publicity happen without at least trying to affect it in a >positive way. > >I've seen her show several times, and I believe that, albeit a daytime talk >show host from LA, she is a genuine person, not sensationalistic, she is >sensitive and she listens to her guests, trying to learn from them and >empathizing with them with an open mind. This is not Montel Williams or >Geraldo, although it is aimed at middle american daytime tv watchers. > >I left a voicemail that I was the mother of an 18 year old, but that I was >the raver, not she, and I felt that if more people understood that raving >can be a very positive and supportive environment and means of expression >for their kids, they'd worry less. > >They called me back today, we talked for 1/2 hour, and they will confirm >tomorrow that they want to fly me down to LA on Tuesday for a Wednesday >show (I'm not sure when it actually shows). The producer seemed genuinely >interested in understanding what raving is about, and is doing a lot of >research and gathering a lot of information. > >I am confident that I can express my reasonable, grounded and open >expression of how wonderful raving can be. But I would like to get some >input and perspectives and words of advice from all of you, especially >about any touchy areas you foresee and how they could be handled. > >While on one hand, I can really only represent myself and my own situation >and opinions... on the other hand, I am a member of this community and will >be considered a representative of it by those who see the show. > >That's why I want to know what advice and/or concerns you each might have, >things to emphasize, things to completely avoid saying, and pitfalls you >see or major concerns you might have about how my going on this show might >affect our scene and our community. > >What's the best that could happen with this? What's the worst case scenario? >What positive message can we leave people with? If ravers in other areas >are watching, is there any way our "sf vibe" message that we get so much >positive feedback about can be spread to them? > >In short, how can we make use of this opportunity to do good things for the >rave scene, without doing any harm? > >I'd like to be a positive voice for our scene, and look forward to getting >some of your thoughts. > >Love, Leslie >(YIKES!!!) > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXX > XXXXXXXXXXXX > XXXXXXXXXX > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > -O- -- > [8 ._. 8] > . _____. . > \___/ > . Peter Sandifer Customer Service =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Niles & Associates, Inc. 800 Jones Street voice:1 (510) 559-8592 Berkeley, CA 94710 fax:1 (510) 559-8683 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mac Technical Support mac-support@niles.com PC Technical Support pc-support@niles.com General Information info@niles.com Product Registration register@niles.com FTP site ftp.niles.com World Wide Web http://www.niles.com "Serving more than 100,000 users worldwide." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 09:51:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA13305; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA13296; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca35-06.ix.netcom.com [204.31.236.134]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA16240 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:51:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:51:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199609061651.JAA16240@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Beautiful People tonight!!!!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I just got to my account and read about ten thousand messages re Omar. I think this is great! It really makes me feel alot better knowing that he has this much communal support. I can't begin to thank all of you!! You guys are great!! But let's not stop here!! I think out of this tragedy, we can all learn something, come together and get a lot closer with eachother. Life is presious, and we all need to remember that... all the time!!! These things are reminders, (awful reminders, but reminders non the less). Anyways, I just wanted to say, that I love every single one of you for putting forth this much positivity in our family's time of need! With all of this positivity going around, I am really pumped up for tonight!!! This is going to be insane!!! I just know Omar will be able to feel our energy tonight!!! He has to!!! Well, I am going off to set up the party!!! I will see most of you tonight!!! And thank you, thank you for all of your love and support!!! (Man, I have a feeling this party is gonna kick ass!!!!) Peace, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 09:59:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA13805; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA13798; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA29425 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:59:04 -0700 Received: from [206.86.235.114] (lesliea.vip.best.com [206.86.235.114]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA14879 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:58:40 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:58:40 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) Subject: TV SHOW Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I won't have final confirmatin about the Leeza show until later today, but I wanted to let you all know how overwhelmed I am at the support many of you have given me, the reassurance about my being a "representative" of raving and our community. I'll be at BP tonight, if anyone wants to express anything in person .. or if you want to give me any written stuff (articles, quotes, etc.) that you think will be helpful as I center myself and focus on how to succinctly express what we're really all about. I'm keeping all messages and will review them many times before the show to help prepare myself (from my background in public speaking, I know that for me, preparation is everything!) I really love all of you, and am so grateful to have you as part of my life. Leslie XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -O- -- [8 ._. 8] . _____. . \___/ . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 10:03:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA14332; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA14220; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.86.220.227 (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA15660 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:02:42 -0700 Message-ID: <32305A45.5F9D@best.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:07:17 -0700 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: finally!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk After sending requests for 2 months, I'm finally (!) on the Breaks mailing list. 'Bout time! -peacee alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 10:32:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA18376; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA18367; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA20029 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:32:56 -0700 Received: from hera.synopsys.com (hera.synopsys.com [146.225.100.23]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07287 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:32:44 -0700 Received: from [146.225.54.90] (mac-54-90.synopsys.com [146.225.54.90]) by hera.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00341 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:32:42 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:33:41 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Beautiful People tonight Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Come one, come all! I hope to see lots o' smiles tonight, from both familiar and new faces :) I'll be distributing candy, hugs, love, and positive energy freely, and I'll take many photos (hope no one gets blinded ;))! You'll know it's me by my long ponytail with colorful hairbands in it, and a black tee-shirt with a big jester head on the front (with a HUGE grin on his face). I'm sorry I can't offer a ride up, but if anyone is stranded when the party ends, and needs a ride to the South Bay, come to me first, please, and I'll gladly give you a lift :) Peace through dance, Eric From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 11:00:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA20803; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trix.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA20788; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jwiley@localhost) by trix.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA05419; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:59:49 -0700 From: Jay Wiley Message-Id: <199609061759.KAA05419@trix.cisco.com> Subject: Re: Beautiful People tonight To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Eric P. Peterson" at Sep 6, 96 10:33:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hope to see all yo beautiful people tonight as well. I had been planning on spending this weekend at a cabin about 30 min from Tahoe but I can't miss this party so I decided I'd go up tomorrow instead of tonight. For those that don't know me, I have shoulder length dark brown wavyhair, which you might be able to see sticking out from under my white hat. :) jay > > Come one, come all! I hope to see lots o' smiles tonight, from both > familiar and new faces :) I'll be distributing candy, hugs, love, and > positive energy freely, and I'll take many photos (hope no one gets blinded > ;))! You'll know it's me by my long ponytail with colorful hairbands in > it, and a black tee-shirt with a big jester head on the front (with a HUGE > grin on his face). I'm sorry I can't offer a ride up, but if anyone is > stranded when the party ends, and needs a ride to the South Bay, come to me > first, please, and I'll gladly give you a lift :) > > Peace through dance, > Eric > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 11:14:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA22458; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acergw3.acer.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA22450; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtplink.acer.com ([204.160.139.137]) by acergw3.acer.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22085; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.acer.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA842033960; Fri, 06 Sep 96 11:11:42 pst Date: Fri, 06 Sep 96 11:11:42 pst From: "Andy Wyszkowski" Message-Id: <9608068420.AA842033960@smtplink.acer.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Don't forget to check SoCal Raves for any good parties while you're down there... last one I went to in LA was a killer outdoor in the forests above the city. Booo-Teeee-Fulllll. Keep a cool head, and understand that they will try to fire at raving's soft white underbelly: The age of a lot of ravers Drugs (I usually bring a couple tabs of aspirin, sometimes a decongestant if it's outdoor...) Open Sex Orgies (I keep missing those somehow...) Loud Music (Hello!) I think that's it.. oh, there's that staying up all night thing, but... oh well. And a lot of people don't... usually when I get a ride from them (doh!). ***THEY SAID THE SAME THINGS ABOUT THE BEATLES!!!!!*** well.. maybe not the wild sex orgies... Please mention that most large events have permits and security. Security even searches people when they go in to many raves, so it ends up being "just like a concert" or other mass event. Hope they don't all get that way, but we might as well push that. As for VIBE: It's like driving a Harley or having sex. Until you've felt it... you won't understand. Probably better just to mention everybody dancing talking and meeting, drinking smoothies, hanging around the DJ and going out to watch the sunrise. Who wouldn't love that? I've only met you once or twice, but I couldn't think of anybody better to go take a stand on this in front of all those couch potatoes... wish you luck and mucho positives! Peace AndyW P.S. Bash the pee out of that scene in Basic Instinct... Oh, and plan 'B'... if you like really underground raves that are really small... tell them the drugs are just a prelude to the ritual offerings, which you only enjoy because of the smile on our spiritual leaders face as he lures the goat over... sacrificing virgins, pits of fire, John Denver played backwards, etc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 11:18:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA22805; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA22798; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg131-116.ricochet.net [204.179.131.116]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA27347 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:18:44 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960906181813.006d7124@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:18:13 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: where i'll be tonight Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i would love to come to beautiful people tonight, but alas, last night a friend sold me 2 tickets to steve martin's play, fourth row! i could not turn this down, even for beautiful people. so, i and sarah aberant are going to see a play that's sold out for the next sixth months. i might try to get there after the play, so if you see me (5'10" red haired guy running around hugging people and giving them water) COME HUG ME!!! love- matt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 13:12:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA03324; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA03308; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: branka@sirius.com Received: from [205.134.228.24] (ppp024-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.24]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id NAA22155; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:10:12 -0700 X-Sender: branka@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:11:16 -0800 To: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! Cc: "Davidt" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah!!!! Go Leslie :))). I am so sure you will be able to open eyes of some people (at least). Maybe a good idea would be to have some printed mail that has been posted on SFRaves and read parts of it. I can remember Shawna's post and there were few others in the past that were very touchy and that also showed some aspects of raving (I can go through my old, saved files and pull some out for you if you want me to). Maybe taking some picts would be cool as well. I hope everybody is great - I have been quiet for a while - the Burn was amazing, but I was slacking at work before I left for it, so now I have so much to catch up with - it will be hell for next 3 weeks (till we ship our product). Love & hugz, Branka P.S. I won't be partying much in the near future - have other things on my mind and my mind and body needs some quiet time after the Burn.... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 13:13:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA03425; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bolero.rahul.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA03417; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.61.226.222] (c222.rahul.net) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP id AA25800 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:12:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:12:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199609062012.AA25800@bolero.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: wolfe@rahul.net (Nancy W. Wolfe) Subject: Re: Fundraising Party for Omar Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think it was Peter who asked: > what is idm? I believe it stands for intelligent dance music. I used to subscribe to the IDM list. They mostly talk about the latest in electro music. Good electro.....I had to unsubscribe though because I was running out of money buying everything I kept reading about. -Nancy W. Wolfe From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 13:18:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA03944; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA03930; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from scarab@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA04835; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:18:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:18:09 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE To: Andy Wyszkowski cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, Leslie Ayres Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! In-Reply-To: <9608068420.AA842033960@smtplink.acer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Andy Wyszkowski wrote: > > > Keep a cool head, and understand that they will try to fire at > raving's soft white underbelly: > > The age of a lot of ravers > > Drugs (I usually bring a couple tabs of aspirin, sometimes a > decongestant if it's outdoor...) > > Open Sex Orgies (I keep missing those somehow...) > > Loud Music (Hello!) > Somewhat related to this is the fact that the American public doesn't get hedonism. That damn Protestant history of ours tells us as a culture to be simple, serious, and not to partake in "sin" (whatever that is). If you talk about how much fun it is to stay up all night and dance and indulge from time to time, the moral majority would just reject that for the simple fact it goes against what they were taught. Not all countries or cultures are like this. When I lived in South America, they really knew how to party. There wasn't a night of the weekend (and even some weekdays) that you didn't stay out ALL night dancing and sometimes drinking. Parents never forbid their children from doing this, rather they encouraged it and frequently joined in. Some of my friends told me that the people live for parties and that's what they save up all of their money for (this was in Bolivia). And talk about hedonism, you should try Carnaval en Rio or other countries that have this celebration. In Argentina it's custom to eat dinner at 10 p.m so you can have some fuel for staying out all night. Of course there is a 3 hour siesta worked into the day so everyone can sleep. I guess what I'm getting at is that not all countries in this world find hedonism a bad thing. (also, South America has other societal restrictions like women don't get to be as unrestrained, but that's not what I'm talking about) Unfortunately in a country that rejects it, especially on talk shows, it might be a bit hard to explain this. cheers, KaySEE From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 13:26:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA04727; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bolero.rahul.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA04719; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.61.226.222] (c222.rahul.net) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP id AA28465 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:26:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:26:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199609062026.AA28465@bolero.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: wolfe@rahul.net (Nancy W. Wolfe) Subject: What is IDM? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I think it was Peter who asked: > what is idm? >I believe it stands for intelligent dance music. I used to >subscribe to the IDM list. They mostly talk about the latest in electro >music. Good electro.....I had to unsubscribe though because I was running >out of money buying everything I kept reading about. >-Nancy W. Wolfe ---Sorry about putting the wrong subject heading in my last post. Someone made a comment about Omar and then asked about IDM in the same post and I forgot to change it. Sorry!!! See you tonight @ BP... -Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 13:28:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA04892; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA04844; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.15.69.19] (sf1-ppp19.well.com [206.15.69.19]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA07790; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:28:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leftjab@mail.well.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:37:33 -0800 To: Amy R Starkey , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: leftjab@well.com (leftjab) Subject: Re: BM is . . . Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> >> . . . going to the carwash late tuesday afternoon, and being asked, "So >>how did >> YOU enjoy it?" > >Hee hee - I *STILL* haven't washed my car. I can't make myself just yet! :) > Don't worry, even after the car wash, I'll always know my car went to BM . . . they couldn't get ALL the playa dust off . . . like behind the door that covers the gas cap, or in the trunk, or on my shoes & birkenstocks . . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 13:29:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA05089; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA05077; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id NAA03827; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:29:26 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:29:22 -0800 To: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! Cc: "Davidt" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Maybe suggest having a DJ spin live at the show, to give the audience an idea of the type of music you'll be talking about. And then suggest a female DJ. I think the single most important message you can covey is that we are trying to affect change within the communites around us. That we comprise an immensely talented and diverse group that are brought together not just through parties, but through a common social consciousness. Whatever you do, don't give out the Sunset phone number. ;^) Tone From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 13:51:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA07310; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA07284; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scv1.apple.com ([17.128.100.119]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17992 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:51:16 -0700 Received: from qmgate.apple.com (in-out.qmgate.apple.com [17.130.8.42]) by scv1.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09934 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:52:58 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 6 Sep 1996 13:53:11 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: BSP> Astronout To: "sfr" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 FC1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey! Tomorrow afternoon at 3pm come check out some Live Ambient sounds with Astronout. Performing at Streetlight Records in San Jose to promote our self titled first release. Streetlight Records is located at 980 S. Bascom Ave in San Jose. Free Records to SFR'ers!!!!!!! (or anybody else that wants one) /-M-\ !E.A.C! PS - Bring a pillow or a Bean Bag From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 14:10:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA08936; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stratacom.strata.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA08928; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Strata.COM (kiwi.strata.com) by stratacom.strata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Gatekeeper.Strata.Com-950201) id AA03924; Fri, 6 Sep 96 14:10:14 PDT Received: from orac.strata.com by Strata.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/StrataCom-GCA-Kiwi-931007-1) id AA07312; Fri, 6 Sep 96 14:10:05 PDT Received: by orac.strata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02942; Fri, 6 Sep 96 14:11:09 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 14:11:09 PDT From: jlawrenc@stratacom.com (Jeremy Lawrence) Message-Id: <9609062111.AA02942@orac.strata.com> To: awyszkow@smtplink.acer.com Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Reply-To: jlawrenc@cisco.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > ***THEY SAID THE SAME THINGS ABOUT THE BEATLES!!!!!*** well.. maybe > not the wild sex orgies... Yep, even the wild sex orgies. Rock and roll was as much the "work of the devil" as rave is now. Our parents obviously had as much fun as we do now. :) Jeremy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 14:11:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA08989; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bolero.rahul.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA08979; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.61.226.222] (c222.rahul.net) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP id AA08383 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:11:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:11:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199609062111.AA08383@bolero.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: wolfe@rahul.net (Nancy W. Wolfe) Subject: Re: IDM List Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know how I get to the IDM list? Nancy - do you remember > the address? Thanks for all help. > > (\/) > \/ Liz. Send mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com and write in the subject and body that you would like to subscribe. -Nancy W. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 15:00:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA12804; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA12798; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id PAA24571 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199609062200.PAA24571@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Drum Machine Circle Mailing List To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:00:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here is the current list: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu,voltaire@netcom.com,eric.pederson@airtouch.com, simitzis@netcom.com,caliban@organic.com,martinko@netcom.com,epaul@Synopsys.COM, SteveOSac@aol.com,randream@cats.ucsc.edu,voltaire@netcom.com,ogd@organic.com, mayer@netcom.com,trose@uclink2.berkeley.edu,larryc@netcom.com, rdriffle@ucdavis.edu,robj@best.com,darrele@netcom.com If you do not see your email address on there, please send me your email address to add. Sorry if you have to do this twice, I might of missed some people. Also, if you name is on here and DON'T want to be on the list, let me know. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.eng.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 15:19:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA14338; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA14329; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.91.88] (mmf18.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.88]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA31304 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:17:17 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> ***THEY SAID THE SAME THINGS ABOUT THE BEATLES!!!!!*** well.. maybe >> not the wild sex orgies... > >Yep, even the wild sex orgies. Rock and roll was as much the "work of >the devil" as rave is now. Our parents obviously had as much fun as we >do now. :) I remember seeing one of those PBS 10-part rock n roll documentaries, and there was this interview with a "concerned citizen" from memphis (In the EARLY days or r'n'r) who complained about all that "nigger music" the kids were listening to... Now the common misconception is that raves are for "gangstas" or "junkies..." I guess one trendy stereotype replaces another, right? Leslie, tell those "concerned parents" that one day, society'll be waxing nostalgic about the good times they had while raving. Kids will be borrowing mom's big trousers for the school "90's dance." There'll be oldies stations playing prodigy. and we'll all be exstatic having experienced it firsthand. see you all at BP (hopefully <=P ) and H3 (definately! =) smiles, -m. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 15:40:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA15802; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA15790; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00483 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05428 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:35:20 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:41:21 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: BP tonight... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Plenty of bugs to anyone going to BP tonight! Jove, b))merang fidget Peter Sandifer Customer Service =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Niles & Associates, Inc. 800 Jones Street voice:1 (510) 559-8592 Berkeley, CA 94710 fax:1 (510) 559-8683 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mac Technical Support mac-support@niles.com PC Technical Support pc-support@niles.com General Information info@niles.com Product Registration register@niles.com FTP site ftp.niles.com World Wide Web http://www.niles.com "Serving more than 100,000 users worldwide." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 15:41:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA15943; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA15925; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA15046; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:41:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Alex cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: what does BSP stand for? In-Reply-To: <322F71AE.5C13@best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Silly=)...It stands for Blatant Self Promotion.... On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Alex wrote: > Blatant Sissy Plug?...naw.....ok, I give up. > > -alex > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 15:45:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA16300; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA16291; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA15003; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:45:15 -0700 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA16105; Fri, 6 Sep 96 15:45:13 PDT Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11300; Fri, 6 Sep 96 15:45:13 PDT From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9609062245.AA11300@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 15:45:12 PDT In-Reply-To: ; from "michal migurski" at Sep 6, 96 3:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oh Leslie, one more thing. If by chance they ask for where they can get more information about raving, tell them to go to: http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/spirit/ - Lee From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 16:16:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA18389; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mci-01.campus.mci.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA18375; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s08-pm06-ontro-t.telis.org (s08-pm06-ontro-t.telis.org [206.96.138.67]) by mci-01.campus.mci.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07193; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: kstuart@mail.telis.org (Ken Stuart) To: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 23:13:58 GMT Reply-To: kstuart@mail.telis.org Message-ID: <3234ab5b.107170214@mail.campus.mci.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.275 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:11:16 -0800, branka@sirius.com wrote: >Yeah!!!! > >Go Leslie :))). I am so sure you will be able to open eyes of some people >(at least). Maybe a good idea would be to have some printed mail that has >been posted on SFRaves and read parts of it. I can remember Shawna's post >and there were few others in the past that were very touchy and that also >showed some aspects of raving (I can go through my old, saved files and >pull some out for you if you want me to). Maybe taking some picts would be >cool as well. Branka, it sounds you've never watched one of these shows. :-) You have to talk really fast in order to finish a sentence! There's no chance anyone would be able to read anything. However, they'll probably like the pictures, so they can have something to put up under the logo while they fade to the next batch of commercials. They'll probably need a signed statement by whoever took the pictures giving broadcast rights to the show.... Also, almost nothing spontaneous ever really happens on TV, they ask everyone in advance what they are going to say, including the people in the audience who ask questions - who are all pre-chosen. I think Leslie is a great choice to represent raving on TV - be sure to let us all know when the program will be broadcast! I think if I had only one sentence to say about raves, it would be that the universally acknowledged motto of ravers is Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect. Just saying that automatically cancels out people's vague ideas that raving is a satanic hard-drug orgy. Someone else wrote: >> ***THEY SAID THE SAME THINGS ABOUT THE BEATLES!!!!!*** well.. maybe >> not the wild sex orgies... > >Yet someone else replied: >Yep, even the wild sex orgies. Rock and roll was as much the "work of >the devil" as rave is now. Our parents obviously had as much fun as we >do now. :) I highly recommend the short film "The Hippie Temptation". It's simply a CBS TV documentary from the 60's about the Hippies in the Haight. It's a classic because it was made in the 60's (as opposed to those recent documentaries about the 60's, made with hindsight). The film often plays at Art Cinema houses, or possibly can be rented.... Cheers, Ken <*> kstuart@mail.telis.org My favorite CD for 1996 so far = Orbital - "In Sides" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 16:22:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA18822; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA18815; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07277 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06402 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:22:40 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:28:42 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: NeedRide,Eastbay-BP Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear You Guys, Any nice folks going from through or from Berkeley to Beaut.Peop. tonight? I have gas/toll $$ and some funny jokes to tell on the way over. I can be reached at 510.845.3566 after 6 tonight, I can be reached at email til 5. Thanks, Peter From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 16:36:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA20108; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA20101; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA04335 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:35:55 -0700 Received: from [206.86.235.114] (lesliea.vip.best.com [206.86.235.114]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA14197 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:35:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:35:22 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) Subject: TV Show Referrals Wanted Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am confirmed for taping on Wednesday. The show will air a week to a month later ... since I am on vacation for 2 wks during that period, I will make sure they notify someone who will then let you all know when to watch/tape the show. The producer of the Leeza show assures me that there is never any sabotage or nasty dealings with guests ... and that their audience is usually pretty low-key and doesn't have super-strong opinions.... he asked me to pass on two things: 1. They are looking for a mother/child duo where the mother thinks raving is horrible and just an excuse for a drug-fest, and the child disagrees ... and they're willing to go on tv together. If you know someone who would be appropriate, please call Jason at (213) 956-5612 ... obviously they should be able to represent us well ... I told him I'd post to the list, but had no idea if anything would come of it ; ) 2. If you are in the LA area, or know someone who is, and want to attend the show in the audience, call Jason at that number and he'll arrange for tickets. It sure would be great to have some ravers there in the audience rather than just a Hollywood tourist crowd ... can someone forward this to socal raves for me? 3. Oh shit. Hmm, now which hat to wear? I'll be at Beautiful People tonight, so see you all there! Leslie XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -O- -- [8 ._. 8] . _____. . \___/ . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 16:40:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA20483; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA20470; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:40:05 -0700 (PDT) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA11383 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:39:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:39:33 -0400 Message-ID: <960906193921_195995976@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'd like a tape of that show too! =)~ <(patrice)> <<<>>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 16:48:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA21109; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA21094; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA09202 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:48:04 -0700 Received: from hera.synopsys.com (hera.synopsys.com [146.225.100.23]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01369; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:47:52 -0700 Received: from [146.225.54.90] (mac-54-90.synopsys.com [146.225.54.90]) by hera.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA19461; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:47:49 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:48:49 -0700 To: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: TV Show Referrals Wanted Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I am confirmed for taping on Wednesday. The show will air a week to a >month later ... since I am on vacation for 2 wks during that period, I will >make sure they notify someone who will then let you all know when to >watch/tape the show. > Hey, could someone who has my home# please call and let me know when the show airs? I really want to watch, and I don't know how soon I'll be back on-line. Thanks!!! - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 16:49:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA21216; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA21197; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA13619; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:48:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199609062348.QAA13619@netcom6.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! Date: Fri, 06 Sep 96 16:48:58 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I think if I had only one sentence to say about raves, it would be > that the universally acknowledged motto of ravers is Peace, Love, > Unity, and Respect. Uh. I've been raving since Ibiza summer of '88, and I do not universally acknowlege PLUR as the raver motto. Does this mean I'm not a raver? Damn! > Just saying that automatically cancels out people's vague ideas that > raving is a satanic hard-drug orgy. No, they'll just view it with the same disdain and ridicule as they viewed the "peace and love" flower children, who had equally mealy-mouthed platitudes that they couldn't possibly apply to anybody's lives not even their own (unless the riots/deaths at altamont were some twisted version of "peace and love"). And the only thing we've got from that generation is a bunch of hot-tub-soakin'$40k-saab-drivin'-libertarian- i-got-mine-so-you-get-yours-votin'-yuppies whose vision of saving the world has been simplified into buying toilet paper made from 50% recycled materials and buying overpriced free-range tofu from Whole Foods. (sorry, I recently spent too much time in palo alto...:-) Please remember that the majority of the amerikkkan TV-watching publikkk doesn't give a flying fuck about "peace" "love" "respect" or "unity". They want to see football players killing each other, boxers bopping each other in the face, wars, victory, competition, blood, competition, domination, competition, and huge wads of wealth gained through cunning/crime/theft and plundering of natural resources. They will simply laugh at your lifestyle and then try to figure out a way to suck some money out of you, throw you in jail, or transform your lifestyle to their level of pathetic degeneracy. Ahem... ALso, I don't think it would be a good idea to point people to the hyperreal web site unless you blank out or hide the "better living through chemistry" section. I hope you're a strong person, because they will attempt to make you look pathetic and stupid in your rejection of USA-prescribed mores. Don't even mention drugs because that's tantamount to admitting to witchcraft during the salem witch trials. You'll have about as good a chance of looking good on such shows as an avowed communist appearing on TV in the fifties, attempting to explain that the Amerikkkan lifestyle is corrupt and pathetic and that there is a better way. Also, if you come off as well-spoken and intelligent, they'll probably pass you up. TV talk shows thrive on showing a bunch of lame cat-fighting doofuses. Talk shows are a catharsis that make even the most pathetic couch potato feel good about sitting on his/her ass wasting life away watching TV instead of living. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 16:54:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA21684; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA21677; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Received: by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA07608 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:54:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:54:01 -0400 Message-ID: <960906195359_196005346@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR>The Time Of Your Life Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I found this on a paper some where.... with everyone helping out Omar I thought it kinda went along. It's and exerpt from William Saroyan's play "The Time Of Your Life." Enjoy =)~ !!! "In the time of your life, LIVE-- so that in that good time there shall be no ugliness or death for yourself or for any life your life touches. Seek goodness everywhere and, when it is found, bring it out of its hiding place and let it be free and unashamed. Place in matter and in flesh the least of values, for these are the things that hold death and must pass away. "Discover in all things that which shines and is beyond corruption. Encourage virtue in whatever heart it may have been driven into secrecy and sorrow by the shame and terror of the world. "Ignore the obvious, for it is unworthy of the clear eye and the kindly heart. Be the inferior of no man--nor of any man be the superior. Remember that every man is a variation of yourself. No man's guilt is not yours, not is any man't innocence a thing apart. Despise evil and ungodliness, but not men of ungodliness or evil. "In the time of your life, LIVE--so that in that wondrous time you shall not add to the misery and sorrow of the world, but shall smile to the infinite delight and mystery of it." That's it. Follow it and share it with others. There are people that could benifit from living by this passage. <(patrice)> <<<>>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 16:56:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA21836; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA21830; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:56:38 -0700 (PDT) From: TeKnODiVa@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA21356 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:56:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:56:06 -0400 Message-ID: <960906195603_196006802@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: TV SHOW Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I too need to be notified by e-mail (private or otherwise) of when the show will be airing, what chanel, etc. Thanx!! <(patrice)> <<<>>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 18:27:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA28251; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA28241; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:27:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA02030; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:59:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from kelly.teleport.com (shakti@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07663; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: (from shakti@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03149; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: Leslie Ayres cc: frisco groovers Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:27:20 -0700 (PDT) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello leslie and sf-ravers! i think this is fantastic! i'm forwarding something to you entitled "House Music and Planetary Healing." i'm not sure if we've corresponded before but i've gotten a general impression of you from your posts about you and your floppy hats :) let me preface by saying i love you all and i hope we can agree to disagree and i love reading all of your posts! my and my "family", the AHAU collective have a definite point of view and intention behind the parties and gatherings we throw, "House Music and Planetary Healing" being the foundation of the gatherings where we channel love, positivity, and healing energy through our djs and "energy dancers" along with other educational vehicles such as "Conscious Manifestation" classes (classes on using the power of your imagination to create the life of your dreams and becoming balanced in the 3rd dimension) and upcoming classes on self-sufficiency re: making your own soap, shampoo, hemp products and food, nutrition, cooking, ect. and community vegan/organic dinners. what does this all mean? we are all ravers and met on the dance floor! we all felt the power of channeling positivity in and out through the dancing and music and wanted to expand that exctasy (not the drug, although we respect everyone's personal path and are not against anything) into all areas of our lives so we formed AHAU. i loooove sharing our process and welcome any questions or feedback and we love visitors. as a matter of fact, Shawna McCourtney is here right now (although she's probably still being a sleepy kitty at my house :). ok, looks like the system is having problems... suffering from tech support fever, bren :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 19:16:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA02012; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA02006; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kelly.teleport.com (shakti@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10541; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shakti@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA06919; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: "Niels P. Mayer" cc: San FranDisco Ravers List Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! In-Reply-To: <199609062348.QAA13619@netcom6.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk wow, neil! that's very intense...i would have to say that reality you speak of is but one probability in a field of infinite possibilties and although i disagree, i respect your position. leslie, i would just get your intent very clear in your mind before the show and don't let any opposing ideas enter your consciousness, whatever your intent may be. you know what you are going there to do, you are a very powerful being and will know exactly what to say in the moment. you are going to rock! brenda On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Niels P. Mayer wrote: > > > I think if I had only one sentence to say about raves, it would be > > that the universally acknowledged motto of ravers is Peace, Love, > > Unity, and Respect. > > Uh. I've been raving since Ibiza summer of '88, and I do not > universally acknowlege PLUR as the raver motto. Does this mean I'm not > a raver? Damn! > > > Just saying that automatically cancels out people's vague ideas that > > raving is a satanic hard-drug orgy. > > No, they'll just view it with the same disdain and ridicule as they > viewed the "peace and love" flower children, who had equally > mealy-mouthed platitudes that they couldn't possibly apply to anybody's > lives not even their own (unless the riots/deaths at altamont were some > twisted version of "peace and love"). And the only thing we've got from > that generation is a bunch of hot-tub-soakin'$40k-saab-drivin'-libertarian- > i-got-mine-so-you-get-yours-votin'-yuppies whose vision of saving the > world has been simplified into buying toilet paper made from 50% > recycled materials and buying overpriced free-range tofu from Whole > Foods. (sorry, I recently spent too much time in palo alto...:-) > > Please remember that the majority of the amerikkkan TV-watching > publikkk doesn't give a flying fuck about "peace" "love" "respect" or > "unity". They want to see football players killing each other, boxers > bopping each other in the face, wars, victory, competition, blood, > competition, domination, competition, and huge wads of wealth gained > through cunning/crime/theft and plundering of natural resources. They > will simply laugh at your lifestyle and then try to figure out a way to > suck some money out of you, throw you in jail, or transform your > lifestyle to their level of pathetic degeneracy. > > Ahem... > > ALso, I don't think it would be a good idea to point people to the > hyperreal web site unless you blank out or hide the "better living > through chemistry" section. > > I hope you're a strong person, because they will attempt to make you > look pathetic and stupid in your rejection of USA-prescribed mores. > Don't even mention drugs because that's tantamount to admitting to > witchcraft during the salem witch trials. You'll have about as good a > chance of looking good on such shows as an avowed communist appearing > on TV in the fifties, attempting to explain that the Amerikkkan > lifestyle is corrupt and pathetic and that there is a better way. > > Also, if you come off as well-spoken and intelligent, they'll probably > pass you up. TV talk shows thrive on showing a bunch of lame > cat-fighting doofuses. Talk shows are a catharsis that make even the > most pathetic couch potato feel good about sitting on his/her ass > wasting life away watching TV instead of living. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 19:18:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA02114; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA02105; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kelly.teleport.com (shakti@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11554 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shakti@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA07081; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:18:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: NRR - trouble posting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk can someone please let me know if my posts are getting to the list today? also, shawna mccourtney is up here and posted from my account and we haven't seen any of them. i've also emailed brian. thanks, brenda From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 19:26:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA02602; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA02595; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA23251 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:26:41 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA11765 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:26:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:26:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199609070226.TAA11765@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Acme X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok, I asked someone a while ago for their impression of Acme and the response I got was something like "sweaty hellhole". Anyone else got any definite impressions they'd like to share? Debating, S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 19:35:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA03573; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA03494; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 205.186.82.132 (sdx-ca16-12.ix.netcom.com [205.186.82.140]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA27219; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:33:45 -0700 Message-ID: <32303899.5738@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 07:43:37 -0700 From: CT Reply-To: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com Organization: CT D-Zine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lesliea@best.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Leslie the TV star =) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Alright Leslie!! Maybe we'll finally get some positive coverage! And don't worry, I'll get as many PlUrRy socal ravers as I can to go with me and support you in LA. Oh and btw, I say you where the flower crown outfit that you wore to the BP at the deli last May. To the list: any ideas of something we can do collectively to support Leslie and our scene since most of us won't be able to make the taping??? Phat mental hugs to you all, CT P.S. See you at the Harmony 3-Year!!!!=) --------------------------------------- ______ ________ / ___/ /__ __/ / /__ / / /_____/ /__/ D-Zine Labs graphics-flyers-dream manifestations Terry Estioko www.cyborganic.com/people/ctdzine ---------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 19:37:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA03733; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mci-01.campus.mci.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA03719; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s10-pm02-downy-t.telis.org (s10-pm02-downy-t.telis.org [206.96.64.69]) by mci-01.campus.mci.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA08463 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: kstuart@mail.telis.org (Ken Stuart) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BM was just on CNN Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 02:32:46 GMT Reply-To: kstuart@mail.telis.org Message-ID: <323add42.119947488@mail.campus.mci.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.275 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, I just watched a 5-minute collage on CNN about BM. They just let the participants talk about it, without commentary - probably because the reporters couldn't figure out what it was. :-) My favorite comment in the report: ------------------------------------------------- Reporter: "Why is this important?" Gal: "It's not important! It's just a lot of fun!" -------------------------------------------------------------------- Perfect ! Someone pontificating on and on about why it is important for society to do this, blah blah blah, is, to me anyway, contrary to the whole spirit of such things. Cheers, Ken kstuart@mail.telis.org "Ah, you seek meaning? Then listen to the music, not the song." - Kosh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 19:37:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA03777; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA03771; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 205.186.82.132 (sdx-ca16-12.ix.netcom.com [205.186.82.140]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA27366; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:37:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3230396D.3C8C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 07:47:09 -0700 From: CT Reply-To: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com Organization: CT D-Zine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SDream CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Acme References: <199609070226.TAA11765@shellx.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk SDream wrote: > > Ok, I asked someone a while ago for their impression of Acme and the > response I got was something like "sweaty hellhole". Anyone else got any > definite impressions they'd like to share? > > Debating, > > S Uh, how about "The Crackhouse of Love". CT From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 19:39:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA03913; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA03907; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA02946; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:39:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:39:19 -0700 (PDT) To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Acme In-Reply-To: <199609070226.TAA11765@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, SDream wrote: > > Ok, I asked someone a while ago for their impression of Acme and the > response I got was something like "sweaty hellhole". Anyone else got any > definite impressions they'd like to share? > > Debating, Nope, "sweaty hellhole" seems quite applicable. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 20:39:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA08613; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from serbia.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA08605; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.37.82.86] (pool022.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.86]) by serbia.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA04562; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:38:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: exodus@earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:38:54 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, socal-raves@ucsd.edu From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin Woffington) Subject: Last Weekend: Gathering of da tribes ? (SB) Y stuff Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yo! Hello all yall. I been busy as a B latly and haven't had a chance to tell all ov ya 'bout my weekend. Went to San Luis Obisbo Late friday night and all day saturday I was checkin' the town and looking for job opportunities. I planned to go to Keepin' the Vibe that night but I got tired from drivin and spending some of the afternoon at pismo beach. I reached Santa barbra around 8 or 9 and decided I didn't want to drive the rest of the way to La and then back to SF the next morning and I remembered there was a party on the Socali calender in SB. So...... I went! Right on the campus beach. Voice mail was cool with directions and I found it well but I had been there before. As I was walkin' down I noticed several typical college peeps drinkin and chatin'; I was totaly suprised to see such a jumpin' crowd in SB at the beach. Music was great and I danced for awhile. The Entertainment was great and I met several people all of which were really nice to talk to. The only drag was that the party ended at 3.30 when their permit ran out and surprisingly they only had 1 complaint. I met some of the crew including Sam (damn he's tall!!). I can't wait for another party down there. I'll be moving to San Luis Obisbo and was wondering how the local scene is. Any Socali_ravers on the list from San Luis or even SB. I remember Mason from the LOVE party I went to saying your local. (Were you there Mason? I think I saw ya but I might have been eeing things) Sorry Adam I didn't get a chance to page you. I wasn't anywhere for long enough for you to call me back. And when I was I figured you were already on your way up from SD. Sunday when I got back I went to the Smoke and Grooves concert and Saw: Tribe called Quest w/ Busta Rhymes, Fugees, Cypress Hill, and Ziggy Marley. Yeah I had a great time. SOOO much smoke and sooooo much groovin'. White Cliff of Fugees did Mission Impossible: rapelled down to the stage and then played some guitar wit his teeth, Cypress had their stage decorated with greenery and even "made it a rule to smoke on the stage in SF" Can anyone say : Hit's from the (6ft) bong!! I loved Ziggy too. Great energy and rhythms. Hmmm. I'm gonna try to check out Beautyful People tonight after going to the Laserium with some friends (pink floyed's The Wall is back at 10:30) Peace all Austin . . __/-^-\__ . . . . . <<<>>> . . . @ . `'\-*-/`' . . . . . = . . /|\ . . . . . . / | \ . . . / | \ . . . . . / / | \ \. . . . / / | \ \ . . . = . . / / / | \ \ \ . . . . . / / / | \ \ \ . . = . . / / / / | \ \ \ \. . . . . / / / / | \ \ \ \ . . _@_/` ~\_e_/~ _G/ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ . . ~/ }} (*) < =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ = . // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ . . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 20:51:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA09426; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA09414; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:50:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA26523 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:50:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:50:25 -0400 Message-ID: <960906235025_517481809@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BP Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk See you all there:) I am wearing a Green soccer shirt backwards baseball cap and khaki pants...and a big smile. JOnathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 20:55:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA09756; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from switzerland.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA09749; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.37.85.120] (pool056.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.85.120]) by switzerland.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA28528 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:53:42 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: aciddrop@earthlink.net (Philip Evans) Subject: Re: what is idm? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I think it was Peter who asked: > >> what is idm? > > > > I believe it stands for intelligent dance music. I used to >subscribe to the IDM list. They mostly talk about the latest in electro >music. Good electro.....I had to unsubscribe though because I was running >out of money buying everything I kept reading about. > > >-Nancy W. Wolfe Actually, it focuses more on crunchy, out-there dance music like Aphex Twin and Autechre, with healthy doses of avant-Jungle like TPower and chunky trip-hop like Gescom and DJ Food. And yes, it can get to be a very expensive habit, but it will do wonders for your record collection! Peace, [Home is where the stereo is, unless my turntables get there first!] Currently splitting his time between L.A. and Sausalito, [--------] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--------] [--------] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [--] [---] [---] [--] [---] [---------] can usually be found at one of the following places: aciddrop@mindsphere.com aciddrop@earthlink.net aciddrop@aol.com [actually, don't try this one, I'm never there] From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 20:55:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA09797; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA09785; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25486; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: Acme To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199609070226.TAA11765@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, SDream wrote: > > Ok, I asked someone a while ago for their impression of Acme and the > response I got was something like "sweaty hellhole". Anyone else got any > definite impressions they'd like to share? "been there, done that" :) tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 21:15:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA11304; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawkeye.capcoment.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA11294; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trapper ([134.1.1.13]) by hawkeye.capcoment.com with ESMTP id VAA18157 (8.7.5/IDA-1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trapper.capcom.com ([134.1.1.20]) by trapper with SMTP id VAA14320 (8.6.12/IDA-1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:11:37 -0700 Received: by trapper.capcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9C38.DBC764C0@trapper.capcom.com>; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:17:50 -0700 Message-ID: <01BB9C38.DBC764C0@trapper.capcom.com> From: A Blue Eskimo To: "'Tom Leichardt'" , SDream Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: RE: Acme Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:17:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "been there, done that" Who hasn't? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 21:20:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA11649; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stratacom.strata.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA11642; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Strata.COM (kiwi.strata.com) by stratacom.strata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Gatekeeper.Strata.Com-950201) id AA11198; Fri, 6 Sep 96 21:20:18 PDT Received: from orac.strata.com by Strata.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/StrataCom-GCA-Kiwi-931007-1) id AA01695; Fri, 6 Sep 96 21:20:09 PDT Received: by orac.strata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02996; Fri, 6 Sep 96 21:20:57 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 21:20:57 PDT From: jlawrenc@stratacom.com (Jeremy Lawrence) Message-Id: <9609070420.AA02996@orac.strata.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, mayer@netcom.com Subject: Re: back from burning man and the USA is at war ... Cc: doof-l@cia.com.au Reply-To: jlawrenc@cisco.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > ... with Iraq. > > Far away, in another equally arid area, the USA sent 27 cruise missiles > to blow up "military targets." Uncle Bill told me that on Monday. He said was teaching Big Bad Sadam a lesson for being really nasty to those poor Kurds. On Tuesday, Uncle Bob said Uncle Bill was good for teaching Big Bad Sadam a lesson for being really nasty to those poor Kurds. Uncle Bill told me that he was protecting American Interests as well as those poor Kurds. He beat up Sadam some more. Yay! On Wednesday, Mr Newspaper Man showed me a nice map which showed in blue all the good countries who liked Uncle Bill for for teaching Big Bad Sadam a lesson for being really nasty to those American Interests and the poor Kurds. The map showed the nasty commie countries who didn't like what Uncle Bill had done in red. On Thursday, Mr CIA Analyst said that it looked like Big Bad Sadam had stopped being nasty to the poor Kurds, but the Kurds were being nasty to each other! On Friday, Mr PBS Radio Man told me something that really got me confused. He said that some of the Kurds had asked Big Bad Sadam for help fighting some of the other Kurds. This made me sad because it made me think that Big Bad Sadam hadn't really deserved the beating that Uncle Bill had given him. But them I remembered that Uncle Bill was protecting Americam Interests and I guess that makes it ok. Little Jeremy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 21:31:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA12814; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stratacom.strata.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA12808; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Strata.COM (kiwi.strata.com) by stratacom.strata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Gatekeeper.Strata.Com-950201) id AA11269; Fri, 6 Sep 96 21:31:09 PDT Received: from orac.strata.com by Strata.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/StrataCom-GCA-Kiwi-931007-1) id AA01858; Fri, 6 Sep 96 21:31:00 PDT Received: by orac.strata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03001; Fri, 6 Sep 96 21:32:05 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 21:32:05 PDT From: jlawrenc@stratacom.com (Jeremy Lawrence) Message-Id: <9609070432.AA03001@orac.strata.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BM late Review Reply-To: jlawrenc@cisco.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >From my review of BM on some Aussie lists. Thanks to whoever posted the Aristotle quote. ---------------------------- The playa is special in the spirituality of the local Indians, and it is easy to see why. It is a crazy place where anything larger than a bug has the life steadily sucked from it. Humans lose 3 litres of sweat per day out there; more if you actually do anything. The festival took place in a 10000-strong tent city, gloriously out of place in the middle of the playa. The desert is strangely in-tune with the rhytms of inner-city night-owls, demanding idle days and bustling nights. However the desert was firmly in control, and the festival recognised this. Themes of impermance and fiery destruction permeated it. On the Saturday evening Helco burnt: a huge, powerful, industrial music/stilt-mime/flame-thrower performace in a compound filled with metal human sculptures and wooden structures. A loud hailer preached anarchist slogans, "Burn all the companies on the New York Stock Exchange!" "Burn it all down and start again. Burn!" It culminated in the burning of a skyscraper. The six-metre model had dominated that corner of the camp for days, effectively disguised by painting it bright red. Only when it became a black frame silhouetteing fire-filled windows was its true nature revealed. Some things at the festival were surreal almost beyond description - a huge, spindly, traction engine-shaped four-seater dragon machine quadricycle, with a flaming V-8 pistonned heart and a fire-breathing snout. "Like all American hotrods, this things is a gas-guzzler - it goes through a tank of gas every 15 minutes." The festival rangers spent most of their time desperately preventing human incinerations. "Stay behind the machine! Don't get in front of the machine!". Some of the things were just insane - a fire breather bragging about how he got second-degree burns when a flaming fluid can he was attempting to throw above the crowd instead spilled over his hand. Lots of things were just plain fun. A motorised couch accompanied by a roving standard lamp. A large, grey, furry armidillo motorbike. Many groovy art-cars. Colourful tents, chai tents, tent camps, weird camps, rave camps, camp people, camp newspapers and "the highest density of shaved heads and pierced nipples of any city in America". Rock music, house music, trance music, hungarian vocals, a sitar, a violin, and a digeridoo i-guess-this-makes-it-world music, drum music, industrial music, ambient music and polka music by Polkicide. Dominating all was, of course, The Man. His five-story neon-illuminated presence dominated the festival until the final night. A crowd drummed and danced around his ashes for hours. "Mystery festivals should be unforgettable events, casting their shadows over the whole of one's future life, creating experiences that transform existence." - Aristotle --Jeremy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 21:36:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA13166; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawkeye.capcoment.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA13159; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trapper ([134.1.1.13]) by hawkeye.capcoment.com with ESMTP id VAA18173 (8.7.5/IDA-1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trapper.capcom.com ([134.1.1.20]) by trapper with SMTP id VAA14384 (8.6.12/IDA-1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:32:50 -0700 Received: by trapper.capcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9C3B.DF7AEF80@trapper.capcom.com>; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:39:24 -0700 Message-ID: <01BB9C3B.DF7AEF80@trapper.capcom.com> From: A Blue Eskimo To: "'SDream'" Cc: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" Subject: RE: Acme Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:39:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok, I asked someone a while ago for their impression of Acme and the response I got was something like "sweaty hellhole". Anyone else got any definite impressions they'd like to share? Debating, S Lots of rooms, I liked it, but its hard to get any kind of unity going 'cause everyone is spread out over three floors. The plumbing is pretty atrocious as well, the downstairs toilets overflow all the time. The wiring is supposed to be ratty as well, the lights in the downstairs bathrooms seem to go out every time I'm there. The stairs seem like tragedy waiting to happen. I personally attended about 7 parties there in the span of 4 months. On the bright side, there is lots of parking, and I've never been to a party there that was busted by the fuzz. Hope that helps, off to BP I go!! Some guy named Chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 21:48:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA14053; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA14041; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA10464; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:48:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:48:23 -0700 (PDT) To: CT cc: lesliea@best.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Leslie the TV star =) In-Reply-To: <32303899.5738@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, CT wrote: > Alright Leslie!! Maybe we'll finally get some positive coverage! I have a lot of respect for Leslie and think she is a nice person to boot. That said, Don't count on it. The only reason that the proliferation of lousy daytime talk shows exist is because they thrive on controversy. They do not exist for the edification of the populace. Rather they exist to pander to the vouyeristic and confrontational needs of the audience that aren't fulfilled by their pathetic, meaningless exsistance. These people do not wish to be educated, they want to be entertained. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 22:55:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA17806; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA17800; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kelly.teleport.com (shakti@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20111; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shakti@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA23516; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: blkadder@value.net cc: CT , lesliea@best.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Leslie the TV star =) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello adder :) nice to reply to you...my 2 cents is it's not quantity it's quality. you never know who may be watching and who may hear something they've been waiting to hear...i think you get my drift :) big hugs, brenda On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 blkadder@value.net wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, CT wrote: > > > Alright Leslie!! Maybe we'll finally get some positive coverage! > > I have a lot of respect for Leslie and think she is a nice person to > boot. > > That said, Don't count on it. The only reason that the proliferation of > lousy daytime talk shows exist is because they thrive on controversy. > They do not exist for the edification of the populace. Rather they exist > to pander to the vouyeristic and confrontational needs of the audience > that aren't fulfilled by their pathetic, meaningless exsistance. These > people do not wish to be educated, they want to be entertained. > > Black Adder > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 22:56:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA17867; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA17860; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kelly.teleport.com (shakti@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20459; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shakti@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA23722; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:56:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers cc: lesliea@best.com Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: Leslie Ayres Cc: frisco groovers Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! hello leslie and sf-ravers! i think this is fantastic! i'm forwarding something to you entitled "House Music and Planetary Healing." i'm not sure if we've corresponded before but i've gotten a general impression of you from your posts about you and your floppy hats :) let me preface by saying i love you all and i hope we can agree to disagree and i love reading all of your posts! my and my "family", the AHAU collective have a definite point of view and intention behind the parties and gatherings we throw, "House Music and Planetary Healing" being the foundation of the gatherings where we channel love, positivity, and healing energy through our djs and "energy dancers" along with other educational vehicles such as "Conscious Manifestation" classes (classes on using the power of your imagination to create the life of your dreams and becoming balanced in the 3rd dimension) and upcoming classes on self-sufficiency re: making your own soap, shampoo, hemp products and food, nutrition, cooking, ect. and community vegan/organic dinners. what does this all mean? we are all ravers and met on the dance floor! we all felt the power of channeling positivity in and out through the dancing and music and wanted to expand that exctasy (not the drug, although we respect everyone's personal path and are not against anything) into all areas of our lives so we formed AHAU. i loooove sharing our process and welcome any questions or feedback and we love visitors. as a matter of fact, Shawna McCourtney is here right now (although she's probably still being a sleepy kitty at my house :). ok, looks like the system is having problems... suffering from tech support fever, bren :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 22:59:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA18007; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA18001; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kelly.teleport.com (shakti@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21666 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shakti@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA24125; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:59:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: House Music and Planetary Healing (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i hope this gets to you guys this time! :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: AHAU Collective To: nw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: House Music and Planetary Healing House Music and Planetary Healing When used with positive intention, Group Energy has the potential to help restore the Plan of Love on Earth. If you have been exploring House parties, or have found a home in them, you will, of course, be aware of the intoxicating Energy levels reached sometimes, both personally and collectively. It is possible to understand better the Energy we tap into and take it a step further. There are many preliminary ingredients to becoming spiritually aware, and even more to be able to focus and channel Energy. Those aspects can be discussed at another time. For now, this is what can be done for that moment: OPEN YOUR HEART!!! When you open your heart, and trust the whole group you dance with; when you feel love with everyone, and they return it, a higher vibration can be reached. This happens when when a crowd is deep into the vibe of House...What we have here, when the crowd is open is the ability to access some extremely beneficial Energies, and focus them instead of losing them. Down through the ages this knowledge has been available to the few who have been able to recognize it; it seems the House Nation has tapped in. In the true use of rhythmic movement, the effect is to align the physical, mental, and emotional bodies with the Oneness of All that Is. And this lining up, when coupled with intense aspirations of love and high desire,..."results in a download of Force from above. This causes a vivification of the (three bodies) and definite illumination. When an entire concourse of people is thus animated by a single high desire, when their aurus blend and form one united channel for for the downflow, the effect is tremendously intensified and can be WORLD WIDE IN ITS RADIUS. " (Alice Bailey, 1919). Help push the consciousness another level into Enlightenment. It's up to each of us at the party (rave) to make it happen. Don't put out negative energy and feelings. Leave the old ways behind. Throw yourselves into the winds of transformation and sow the seeds for a new world - one where the human family is together again. When people respect and care for each other as a community organism. It's up to us to spread the vibe. Spread the Peace! You do make a difference! Author Unknown ooo _____ _____ ahau@ahau.com http://www.ahau.com/~ahau (503)237-AHAU /---\ oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo /|o|o|\ AHAU * 333 SW Park Ave Suite 200 * Portland,OR * 97205 \| | |/ |_O_| ~Tribe of the Solar Mind~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 23:16:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA19198; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA19191; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.147.234.33]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA22798 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 06:15:34 +0000 X-Sender: Yves-Tony@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Yves Rossel Subject: Help, I need a reliable (kind long) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 06:15:34 +0000 Message-ID: <19960907061529.AAA22798@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think this is rave related...I have been a mostly casual observer of the list for the last 3 or so months now & I have met a few people (Leslie, David, & probably others) at raves that I later on found out was on the list.. the problem I am having is getting consistently good E & getting it from someone who is reliable. I have met people at 1015, Wicked & other events who I transacted with & I advised them that I would like to establish a business relationship with them so that I don't have to necessarily go to an event to make a purchase...most people give me their #'s & I think it is cool...the stuff I've bought has been fairly good, but when I call for another purchase it either takes days for someone to call me back or something else comes up..I guess I should stop babbling & just get to the point eh?..The point is, is my experience common for most of you? Does anyone know someone that wouldn't mind getting a phne cll once a month for an order of 20 or 25 e's....if so, please e-mail me or call me 552-5004...my name is tony.... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 23:21:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA19485; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA19479; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.147.234.33]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA23776 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 06:20:43 +0000 X-Sender: Yves-Tony@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Yves Rossel Subject: Help! I need reliable..(kinda long) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 06:20:43 +0000 Message-ID: <19960907062041.AAA23776@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think this is rave related...I have been a mostly casual observer of the list for the last 3 or so months now & I have met a few people (Leslie, David, & probably others) at raves that I later on found out was on the list.. the problem I am having is getting consistently good E & getting it from someone who is reliable. I have met people at 1015, Wicked & other events who I transacted with & I advised them that I would like to establish a business relationship with them so that I don't have to necessarily go to an event to make a purchase...most people give me their #'s & I think it is cool...the stuff I've bought has been fairly good, but when I call for another purchase it either takes days for someone to call me back or something else comes up..I guess I should stop babbling & just get to the point eh?..The point is, is my experience common for most of you? Does anyone know someone that wouldn't mind getting a phne cll once a month for an order of 20 or 25 e's....if so, please e-mail me or call me 552-5004...my name is tony.... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 23:24:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA19918; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA19866; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA14338; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:24:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.sfsu.edu: star owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:24:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Leslie Ayres cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, Davidt Subject: Re: HELP! I'M GOING ON TV!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Leslie, Wow, lucky you...? 8) I'm sure you will be a good representative of all of us, and good luck. The advice I would give is to assume you're only going to get 30 seconds to speak, and figure out how to say what you want to say briefly and intelligently within that time frame or less. From what I've heard and read (never having been on a talk show myself) guests are often given little time to say anything, or what time they are given is not really theirs to use because they are forced to respond to questions thrown at them by the host or audience members that may have little to do with what they had expected or wanted to talk about. In that 30 seconds, I hope you could put in a good word about drug use, something to the effect that responsible use of illegal substances can be a safe and positive experience for teens or older people. I would urge this because the subject is sure to come up anyway (this *is* daytime TV) and better that viewers at least get one balanced view of illicit drug use at parties to counteract all the hype that they're liable to hear and have heard. Of course I would personally love it if you also talked about our Constitutional right of freedom of assembly, and how we are harrassed and our lives made difficult by the police and other authorities, but it's your appearance. 8) My computer tells me that on Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Leslie Ayres shared: > If you could go on national TV and express your thoughts about raving, what > would you say? Next week, the Leeza Show is doing a piece on raving, and > it is likely that they're going to have me on the show. > > Yesterday I heard a commercial asking for people who were worried about > their kids went to "rave parties" and took "herbal ecstacy" to call in for > an upcoming show. With that sinking feeling of more bad press and > misunderstanding, I decided it was important not to let another misguided > piece of publicity happen without at least trying to affect it in a > positive way. > > I've seen her show several times, and I believe that, albeit a daytime talk > show host from LA, she is a genuine person, not sensationalistic, she is > sensitive and she listens to her guests, trying to learn from them and > empathizing with them with an open mind. This is not Montel Williams or > Geraldo, although it is aimed at middle american daytime tv watchers. > > I left a voicemail that I was the mother of an 18 year old, but that I was > the raver, not she, and I felt that if more people understood that raving > can be a very positive and supportive environment and means of expression > for their kids, they'd worry less. > > They called me back today, we talked for 1/2 hour, and they will confirm > tomorrow that they want to fly me down to LA on Tuesday for a Wednesday > show (I'm not sure when it actually shows). The producer seemed genuinely > interested in understanding what raving is about, and is doing a lot of > research and gathering a lot of information. > > I am confident that I can express my reasonable, grounded and open > expression of how wonderful raving can be. But I would like to get some > input and perspectives and words of advice from all of you, especially > about any touchy areas you foresee and how they could be handled. > > While on one hand, I can really only represent myself and my own situation > and opinions... on the other hand, I am a member of this community and will > be considered a representative of it by those who see the show. > > That's why I want to know what advice and/or concerns you each might have, > things to emphasize, things to completely avoid saying, and pitfalls you > see or major concerns you might have about how my going on this show might > affect our scene and our community. > > What's the best that could happen with this? What's the worst case scenario? > What positive message can we leave people with? If ravers in other areas > are watching, is there any way our "sf vibe" message that we get so much > positive feedback about can be spread to them? > > In short, how can we make use of this opportunity to do good things for the > rave scene, without doing any harm? > > I'd like to be a positive voice for our scene, and look forward to getting > some of your thoughts. > > Love, Leslie > (YIKES!!!) > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXX > XXXXXXXXXXXX > XXXXXXXXXX > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > -O- -- > [8 ._. 8] > . _____. . > \___/ > . Nice graphic! xxxooo! - Starchild From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Sep 6 23:51:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA22138; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vcn.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id XAA22005; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pounce@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA21402; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie Subject: Re: Help, I need a reliable (kind long) To: Yves Rossel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <19960907061529.AAA22798@LOCALNAME> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk er ... i don't think that THIS is the kind of drug-related post that should be appearing on a public forum which is accessable by anyone. ---------------------------- You know, there are many people in the country today who, through no fault of their own, are sane. Some of them were born sane. Some of them became sane later in their lives. It is up to people like you and me who are out of our tiny little minds to try and help these people overcome their sanity. -- Monty Python From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 00:24:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA24921; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 00:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id AAA24914; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 00:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([165.238.4.208]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA5376 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 07:23:36 +0000 X-Sender: Yves-Tony@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM From: Yves & Tony Subject: MESSAGE(S) SENT IN ERROR, PLZZZZE DISREGARD Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 07:23:36 +0000 Message-ID: <19960907072333.AAA5376@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk A friend & I were having a conversation & was playing around online..we thought the e-mail was deleted when we signed off, apparently it was in a queue and was sent BY MISTAKE when I signed on again...sorry for any inconvenience...peace...tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 05:15:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id FAA13870; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 05:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id FAA13863; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 05:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id FAA21639; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 05:15:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 05:15:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lowe To: A Blue Eskimo cc: "'Tom Leichardt'" , SDream , "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: RE: Acme In-Reply-To: <01BB9C38.DBC764C0@trapper.capcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, A Blue Eskimo wrote: > "been there, done that" > > Who hasn't? Well, I hadn't until tonight! And you know... Harmony turned it into the most incredible thing! Yeah, it was hot... but... it was... mmm... Sleep time. : : J. David Lowe :: dlowe@best.com :: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ : : : "I believe that imagination is stronger than knowledge - That : : myth is more potent than history. I believe that dreams are : : more powerful than facts - That hope always triumphs over : : experience - That laughter is the only cure for grief. And I : : believe that love is stronger than death." : :: - Robert Fulghum :: :: fingerprint: 1F E7 D3 24 04 18 72 67 CC E6 66 1B 79 79 CB 3A :: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 10:40:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA00569; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA00562; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA10496 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [136.152.74.237] (abrams2b.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.74.237]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA13874 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:39:01 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:47:40 -0700 To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" From: bdabrams@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Brian Denny) Subject: RE: Acme Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i too had my first ACME experience last night at Beautiful People. yes, it was hot, sweaty, stuffy, and the toilet facilities were less than adequate... but it was still an amazing party... a good vibe can really overpower other negative circumstances. by 2 or 3 in the morning i had forgotten all about the air quality... plurally, brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 14:07:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA14431; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA14424; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id OAA02894; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:07:36 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id OAA26068; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:07:36 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:07:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: ===> LA raves <=== To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----------------))>> LA raves this coming week? <<((--------------- Well Liquid and I are heading down South on Mon., Sept. 9, and we wanna check out the rave scene down there.... So anyone one this list in LA let us know what's up for next week. We will be leaving LA Friday, Sept. 13, evening. yours truly, MHg ___________ ___________ | _____ | | _____ | | [_____] | -={ RaVe On }=- | [_____] | | __ | | __ | | (__) | | (__) | ^ | | | | ^ \ | _____ | ^ ^ | _____ |/ <-- | / \ | / \ | / \ |--> <--^-- | | | | ---* 0 *---| | | | --^--> <-- | | (_) | | \ /-\ /| | (_) | |--> / | | | |_______==___==_______| | | |\ * | \_____/ | | \_____/ | * |___________|____|_____|_____|____|___________| \ o / \ / |__ o _ | ___\o | o/ o/__ /\ / \ /) | /o\ / ) | (\ / | o ) O/ < \ /\- -| /\O/ _/\ /\ /|_ \\ / / / / // ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- ) ______ ___ _________ ) ( ___ |/ /______ _______ /______ ________ ___ _____ ( ) __ /|_/ / _ __ `/_ __ / _ __ `/__ __ `__ \_ _ \ ) ( _ / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / /_/ / _ / / / / // __/ ) ) /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___/ ) ( ( ) ______ ___ mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ) ( ___ |/ /_____ ___________________ _______________ __( ) __ /|_/ / _ _ \__ ___/_ ___/_ / / /__ ___/__ / / /) ( _ / / / / __/_ / / /__ / /_/ / _ / _ /_/ / ( ) /_/ /_/ \___/ /_/ \___/ \__,_/ /_/ _\__, / ) ( /____/ ( ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 14:19:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA15535; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA15528; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg128-095.ricochet.net [204.179.128.95]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA23786 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:19:28 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960907211851.006ee310@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 14:18:51 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: beautiful people Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i went to beautiful people last night (earlier today, depending upon perspective). it had all the elements of a good rave: good music, good people, good chill space, and lots of smiles. it had all the things you come to hate about acme, but still deal with, anyway: the bathrooms, the heat, the must. but, we all deal. i became a rave grandparent at beautiful people! at chrysalis, shawna and i escorted brian denny and stan into the scene, so they dubbed us rave parents (that was cool on it's own!). but at beautiful people, brian brought his friend susan into the scene, himself becoming a rave parent, making me and shawna rave grandparents! i dunno, after a while when the newness of raving starts to wear off, i need to find new things to keep the raving experience special, and helping someone through their first rave experience is one of my favorite ways to keep it special! i had a blast with my book. it's this big black book that gets passed all around, and people came up to me with these excited looks and said "hey matt, can i write in your book?" that was fun, and earlier this morning i really enjoyed looking through the book and reading what people wrote (or drew, or whatever!) i know in 20 years, i'll be able to look back at that book and say "wow! that's how i lived! how the hell did i survive?" so if you're ever needing to curl up in the chill room with a pen, a blank page, and your imagination, let me know, and i'll set you up! well, i made a promise to myself at beautiful people: become a sober raver. as much as i enjoy mind altering substances, i've done them enough, and it's time to learn how to do it myself without the help of a little pill. my goal is to be a good sober raver by january 1, so if anyone sees me high at a rave, slap me around a little and remind me of my goal! i think that each person needs to decide what their substance usage level is, and that we each need to respect that. i've just be so impressed recently by the number of completely sober ravers that i've hung out with that are still absolutely loving raving, and i decided that i want to do that, too. well, those are my thoughts at 2:15 pm on saturday, after having time to shower, walk, read, and grock the entire experience. this was my last "fucked up" rave, and harmony will be my first "totally me" rave. wish me luck, and send me love as i attempt to make this transition. love- matt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 15:04:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA20157; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA20120; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp031-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.31]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id PAA21616 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:02:12 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960907150718.00968e60@pop.sirius.com> X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 15:07:20 -0700 To: SFRaves From: Brendan Subject: my BP take Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well, i want to thank _everyone_ for coming out last night and making BP such a great party - the vibe was incredible, and i know omar could feel it miles away in reno. i'd never been to the acme before, but i do understand now why everyone refers to it as a sweaty hell - damn it gets hot in there >=) .. i got there about 6:00, and was totally blown away by the amazing chill room the harmony crew had put together - it was absolutely amazing.. of course, it doubled in it's appeal when it was full of happy ravers.. :) it was my first time working the map point for a party, and wow is it a hectic experience.. of course, it's great when you get to the party and recognize everyone there, because you talked to them and sold them their ticket hours ago. a big sorry to everyone i gave shitty directions to, although everyone i talked to said they found it all right (obviously - they were there, weren't they? ) of course, sitting at the map point, i had absolutely no idea how the party was going.. i left the map point at 1:00am, and was amazed at how great the party had turned out when i got there. it was hot, yes, but everyone had huge grins permanently attached to their faces and were having the time of their lives. the gateway sound system is awsome. there is no better word to describe it. the sound was so perfect - really clean sharp bass, and good strong midtones so you could easily hear the siren's call of the drums. wow, i haven't heard a sound system tuned so well in a long time. =) well, enough rambling from me.. a big hello to everyone i met and didn't meet, and i hope to see you all next weekend down in santa cruz. =) -brendan- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 15:29:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA21584; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA21576; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg128-095.ricochet.net [204.179.128.95]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA29350 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:29:43 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960907222902.006dd938@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 15:29:02 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: sorry for my rr post! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i need to apologize to you all. for the first time in about 6 months, i actually posted something that was rave related. i'm sorry, i'll never let it happen again. some people have actually called / e-mailed me just to make sure that it was me, and not some imposter deviously posting under the name of matthew d. p. k. lanier. i thank you for your time, and i now return you to the regularly scheduled post rave ranting! love- matt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 15:36:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA21973; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mci-01.campus.mci.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA21966; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s24-pm06-ontro-t.telis.org (s24-pm06-ontro-t.telis.org [206.96.138.83]) by mci-01.campus.mci.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12941 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:34:57 -0700 (PDT) From: kstuart@mail.telis.org (Ken Stuart) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: eMpTyVee to show Ambient Techno Videos Tonight Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 22:33:49 GMT Reply-To: kstuart@mail.telis.org Message-ID: <3250f671.191941038@mail.campus.mci.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.275 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, eMpTyVee is going to be a little less empty tonight, as they are showing a one hour program of Ambient Techno videos tonight, actually technically Sunday morning at 3 a.m. In any event, MTV often starts stuff EARLY and/or LATE, so you might want to set your VCR for a few minutes before, and as much as 10 to 15 minutes after when it should otherwise end. This broadcast is a repeat, and last time, the AMP broadcast was a little longer than one hour, and started quite a few minutes late. Artists include Aphex Twin, Orbital, Underworld, Sun Electric, Chemical Brothers, F.S.O.L., Autechre, and Ken Ishii, among others. PS Disclaimer: The schedule is according to TV Guide magazine and also some IDM list readers. MTV could change its schedule.... Cheers, Ken <*> kstuart@mail.telis.org "... 99% of what people know was imparted from descriptions other people have given them..." - David A.Lindauer From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 15:43:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA22389; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA22379; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA00675 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:42:55 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA04242 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 13:29:56 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 13:29:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199609072029.NAA04242@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Review: Beautiful People X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The last rave I went to was a Beautiful People. Now that I'm dating someone that isn't into raving, leaving me with less time to party, I have to be very picky about what parties I attend, so I always make sure to hit something I know will go off. I wasn't disappointed last night. I hadn't tried to get to Haight Street since the Fell exit closed, so I found myself meandering in the wrong direction while trying to find the map point. At one stop light I looked around and realized there were several hookers working that intersection. Yow. Good ole country meets the big city. I was relieved when the light changed... Fast forward, I've gotten my tix, I've already met up with Adam and Brendan and seen several other smiling faces. Now to find ... ... the Infamous Acme Warehouse! The hamstas were doing the navigating, scurrying across the map laid out in the passenger seat and telling me which streets to turn on, so it's no wonder it took me another half hour to get to the right street. Finally, Moscone center was in sight... THE PRODUCTION: I finally walk in and... Yup. It's hot alright. The music is hot, the lights were good, and the visuals were fantastic! The video sequences were the best I've seen. The music was good ALL NIGHT LONG. I don't recall a time when I went upstairs and didn't find something on that made me want to dance my brains out! The decor was classic Harmony and there was a drinks counter downstairs that was a little slice of heaven, serving water and slushies. THE HEAT: There were two large fans upstairs that were a godsend, but 3 feet away from them you were already back into jungle-like heat and humidity. Not so bad as to be uncomfortable, but definitely a sweathouse. Of course the upside to this kind of humidity is that you don't have to blink as much. I think I blinked maybe twice the whole night -- gotta save the wear and tear on the eyelids, y'know... THE PEOPLE: Typical Harmony crowd - utterly fantastic. All smiles, all hugs, all night. The first person I run into once I'm in the door is our very own TV celeb-to-be, Leslie Ayres! This is a good sign. I've never been to a bad party with Leslie, or at least I've never had a bad time if she was around. Adam, Jondabomb, Brendan, more people than my weary brain can recall and more. Wayne, Marcy, and Tim (Mr. Spraybottle) were there too, another really good sign. I chatted with them about Burning Man. I figure this was the year to go, in spite of the accident, since it seems to be spiralling out of control to a point where the local officials may not be so tolerant in the future. I'm sorry I missed it. THE ALTAR: I don't know Omar personally. I've met him, but never got a chance to really chat. I know him more by reputation. Still, I was really touched by the altar that was built, and I spent quite some time looking at the pictures, and thinking hard about how fragile life can be. This situation hits me really hard: when I was 19 my best friend was struck by a car and killed. That really screwed me up for a very long time. I guess you could say you never quite recover from that kind of loss. I can only wish Omar and his family the greatest strength, the deepest healing, and I send out my love to him and hope that he gets better soon. COOL MOMENT: Dancing on top of the table on the side of the main room. Got a lot of huge smiles back up at me. COOL MOMENT: A lady sitting crosslegged downstairs, her head bowed and her hands steepled over a Winnie-the-Pooh backpack lounging against her legs. Very cute! COOL MOMENT: A lady whose name escapes me (actually, all the names escape me...grumble) who kept jumping up to hug me whenever I came by. She was @29, a high school teacher, long, thick, super-curly hair, with a heart on her chest and smile on her face. She told me she had come to conclusion I gave good hug. My oh my... COOL MOMENT: A standing love puddle rub session on the stairs with a young lady named Jen and her friend... Very nice. COOL MOMENT: Adam Luong tearing it up with his glow sticks and gettin' BUSY with the speaker stacks... COOL MOMENT: Sharing nectarines with some very tired little kiddies. Big smiles and hugs. NOT SO COOL MOMENT: Standing in line to use the bathroom. Geez, if you didn't go early in the night, chances were you wouldn't get to go at all. And I didn't. I've found in the past though that if you just keep dancing hard, the feeling goes away. I suspect that your body is capable of reabsorbing the liquids back into your system when you're dehydrated, and I was sweating up a storm. THE END: I finally packed up around 4am. I passed out the fruit I'd brought with me, said goodbye to the people I found immediately around me, and stepped out into the night. POSTSCRIPT: On my way home, I was brought back to the non-warm, non-fuzzy world by an incident... I'm driving along, trying to figure out how to get back on the highway, when I see these two homeless women fighting. I stop and jump out to see if I can help. Bad move... If you're interested in the story, I'll tell you in person some time, but suffice it to say that 15 minutes later I'm back on the road, my shirt torn all to hell and the inside of my car thrashed. I can't do other than try to help when I see someone in trouble, but geez, sometimes you end up jumping into situations better left alone. So I'm driving home, my lovely post-Harmony glow utterly wrecked. I fumble around in the passenger to seat to see if I can find something I left there. At first I can't find it. Then I think it's beeen broken in the melee. But then I see it's just turned off, so I flip the switch. My mini-lite-brite lights up with the sun on it that Kirsten (KaySEE) created at the last BP. My own little piece of sunshine. And the night suddenly seems better again... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 16:18:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA24396; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA24391; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03721 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:18:12 -0700 Received: from [206.86.235.114] (lesliea.vip.best.com [206.86.235.114]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA16799 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:54:44 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:54:44 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) Subject: THANK YOU ALL!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am so overwhelmed at the positive support that I've gotten about the Leeza show next week, I can hardly express it. I've received email from more than 50 different people with their insights and encouragement, and have spoken to at least that many more, and I want to thank everyone from the bottom of my heart. Last night, Beautiful People truly was. The space had been transformed, upstairs and downstairs, into a glowing, shining, happy environment that made me like the Acme again (ok, another toilet is definitely in order!). I was exhausted, and normally would have stayed home, but I went early to help set up (not early enough, it was already done and looked awesome)... and planned to leave really early. Early on, I was dancing, and feeling so happy to be there, and I realized that I'm not scared or nervous to go on tv, because through raving, I've become much more focused, clear and centered about who I am, so there's nothing to be afraid of ... I'm really just excited. All evening long, I was walking on air, talking, laughing, hugging, and soaking in the amazing energy and excitment from everyone that we have at least an opportunity to show the country the positive side of raving. With all that energy, plus the help of a double-espresso+coffee depth-charge from Steve Simitzis and Matt (thank you!!!!), I ended up staying until 3am, and driving home with a huge smile on my face. I am so fortunate to be a part of this community. The taping is Wednesday, so please send me your energy and love that day. If you want to attend the show in the audience, call John Downey at 213-956-5978 and he'll arrange it (he's the assoc producer or something)... We don't know when the show will actually air, it could be a week or a month later, they say. I'll be leaving town for 15 days on 9/24 (cruising through the Panama Canal on the Luv Boat, how weird is that???) ... and the show may air during that time, but I'll make sure that SFR and my friends are all notified somehow. I feel so proud and honored to be part of this community and will represent us all in the best possible way. These are my intentions: * To show with my presence that raving is a positive, uplifting and transformative experience. * To help parents feel reassured and happy that their kids have a place to go where they can be themselves with no pretense, where they can express their love and affection with their friends, where they can hear music that reaches deep inside them, gives positive messages and frees them to express themselves through dancing, and where they can discuss and learn about themselves and our society through a higher community consciousness. Raving is about celebration and personal development; it's all about the positives, at least how we do it * To help ravers in other places where there may not be such a positive scene know that they can create their own vibe wherever they are.... and bring that spirit into their parties, too, if it's not there already. * That drugs, though people would like to think they are the key element of the scene, are only a part, and that many ravers use no substances at all to alter their consciousness .... the music and dancing and vibe can do it all on its own. And when conscious ravers choose to use substances, they usually talk about how helps them to connect with their open hearts and the love and connection they feel with other people ... which changes them for the better forever and in their everyday lives. For conscious ravers, drugs are not an escape from reality, rather drugs are a tool to open their minds and hearts so they can be better people in the everyday world ... * Hopefully, to have some young ravers who misuse drugs see that it's not helping them to do that, and that what they lose will outweigh the benefits. * I will not mention any names of any people, of any organizations who put on parties, of locations, nothing (nope, not even if you've asked me to please please say your name on tv!! ; ) * I won't emphasize any specific drug use (apart from pointing out that ecstacy/MDMA were originally prescribed for relationship counseling because it allows people to open their hearts and empathize with others in a real and long-lasting way), as I feel that it would be misinterppreted and the bigger message (of love and positivity) could be lost, -- As I usually do, I will speak in broader generalities rather than specifics, because I think most people can grasp concepts better that way. * I will not answer specific questions regarding my personal experience with drugs (having been around since the hippie days, obviously I've had lots of exposures and opportunities) .. because I don't see it being productive. Frankly, whether I am clean and sober or an occasional user of drugs is immaterial to what I have to say. I have carefully thought out how I will respond to their inevitable direct questions on this topic. ***** And, most important of all, I will tell the WHOLE DAMNED COUNTRY that raving has helped me to become the person I am today, and how amazing lucky I am to be a part of the most loving and open and energetic community of people anywhere. You guys are all so amazing, thank you for being in my life!!!!!!! You'll all be on that stage with me!!!! ****** Proudly, and with much love, Leslie p.s. The altar for Omar last night was so beautiful. Not that anyone will forget, but if each person will make sure to stop for a moment at least once every day, and send your love and healing energy to him, picturing it surrounding him in his hospital bed, and picturing his wonderful smile as he receives it, then we can help him to heal and come back to us. XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -O- -- [8 ._. 8] . _____. . \___/ . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 17:27:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA28374; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arachnid.microweb.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA28261; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cport1.microweb.com by arachnid.microweb.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Jun95-1229PM) id AA30097; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:28:28 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:28:28 -0700 Message-Id: <9609080028.AA30097@arachnid.microweb.com> X-Sender: pattroy@mail.microweb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: pattroy@microweb.com (Pat Troy) Subject: burning man accident Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Quite a nightmare...and quite the dream. I want to thank everyone for all your support & love. I was the 3rd person in the tent that was run over at burning man. So many people contributed their energy that morning, people who I will probably never see again, but I want them all to know how thankful I am & how beautiful they are. It's so hard to express with words, but I am very new to parties, and when this accident happened to me and Omar and Erinn, it only proved to me that it is all about family. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 18:16:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA01566; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id SAA01556; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (rayvonie@smx-ca2-20.ix.netcom.com [205.186.78.84]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA16688 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:15:24 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:15:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199609080115.SAA16688@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: rayvonie@ix.netcom.com (Ray Vonie) Subject: The After-Buzz on Megga-Buzz To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear ravers, Last weekend, an incredible event took place in the bay area. I know that a lot of you were at BM, so hopefully this post will catch you up to speed on what happened in the bay area while you were in the desert. Megga-Buzz one was a historical event. We set out to produce a large party that still had the small party feel. This in itself seems like a contradiction in terms, but believe it or not, we did it. Some SF-Ravers were at the party and can testefy to to fact that there was a vibe at the event that has not been seen at a party of this size since the Toon-Town days. We could not have been happier with the turnout and the positive energe that eminated across the party. It was an incredible vibe, generated by 7000 people, that were having the time of their lives. Ther is never just one thing that can be done to creat a 'positive vibe' at an event of this size. It is a combination of countless things coming together just at the right moments that help in creating the feeling. As a production company, we organizing the componenets of the party, and designing the concept that we thought would work to produce the desired affect. We showcased only local dj's and involved local production. We did everything we could to involve the local comunity, and establish the concept of the showcase within the comunity. We were realy happy with our linup, and the support that we recieved from the sceene was very enthusiastic. All in all the party went great. The weather for the night was beutiful. We did not have on negative incident or occurance. No ambulences, no overdoses, and NOT ONE FIGHT in a crowd of 7000 people. What does that tell you about the vibe? I know that these type of things come to be expected at small parties, but we are not talking about a small party here. This party had a patranige more diverse than any small party ever does. We had people travel in from the east coast, Canada, LA, Reno, Wasington, Oregon, and all over california. And the diferent types of individuals was absolutely incredible. They were so diverse in their mentality, heratige, culture, values, ethnical backgrounds, and so much more, that when you see them all getting along and uniting to the music and dancing to one groove creating that incredible energy,... Thats when you know that your party has made a diverence in peoples lives. Mabee not much of a diverence, but a start for many and a reinforcement for most. There were several wonderful things that i think this party wa able to acomplish. 1. This event exposed at least 2000 new people to the rave scene. There were a lot of people there that had only heard about raves and the underground(not that this was underground) and have always wanted to go to one and were very happy about what they say and I think most of them, based on the mesages we recieved after our party on our voice lines, have compleatly fallen in love with the scene and want to explore more of it and go to more parties, ALL parties. This is a great thing for our scene. It is always important to bring in new people so that the longjevety of the scene is insured and traditions will be passed on from one raving generation to the next. 2. We were able to show people that a large party can have great energy and can reflect some of the intamacy ( mabee not to the same degree) that a small party has. Not very many people belived that this was posible, but now I think that they will feel diferent. 3. We had a lot of old school ravers come out to the party. I am very happy to say that being at a party like this has resparked the somewhat forgoten passion for raving. It sometimes takes a step into the past to be a ble to procede forward, and a reminder of oldscool is what some of these people needed to get back into the swing of things. I am real happy about this. It is these experienced ravers that need to pass on the traditions to the new ravers and the first timers, and having them at the party, it did not take long before they realized their role in the comunity. I thank them all for coming and look forward to seeing more of them. 4. Re rave scene made another positive move in the direction of gaining respect from the authorities. The police asigned to the party were so impresed with the crowd and the positive nature of the event that they actualy called in other cops from diverent patrols to come over and check out the party to see what a wonderfull experience it was. I have never been praised by so many cops in my life for the service that they thought i was doing. I wish I could have taped some of the things these cops said about the party. It gives me a new respect for their job hearing about the crap that they have to deal with, whith all th rap concerts, and gang violence, and crime on the streets at night. They could have not been happier with party, and the positive nature of our crowd. Of course ,im sure that the free coffee and donuts helped some as well. 5. One of thing that we like to do with all our parties is to give back to the comunity with each event. Our event was a partial benefit and a portion of the procedes was to be donated to the bay area homeless alience. We were able to raise $1000 for this organization. Our intention was to donate the funds and recieve some positive press for the rave comunity at the same time. I know that a thousand dollard does not seem like a lot compared to how much money everyone ASUMES we made at this party, but trust me, it is quite a bit. We would have been able to donate more, but a lot more people wound up going to BM, and leaving town, than we expected, so there realy was not any astronomical profit made at the party like people want to think. Anyways, as I was saying, the whole idea of giving back to the comunity was one of the reasons we wanted to do the party. When I heard what happened at BM to a fellow raver, Omar, A member of our comunity, we figured that there was no beter, or more deserving cause to donate the money to, so instead of giving the $1000 to the homeless alience, we gave Omars Mom $500, and to the Homeless Alience the other $500. We wish we only had more to give, but hopefully the next party we will be able to generate twice that amount for the homless alience. We send all our love and support to Omar and his family during this hard time, and extend any posible help if there is to be a benefit party for him. Finaly, I just want to thank everybody who came out to this party. Everyone from Feel Good Entertainment wants to thank you for your support and trust. Thanks to everyone that read this follow up report on the party, and I apoligize for my horible spelling. Keep it real - PLUR - Ray Vonie - Feel Good Entertainment. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 19:09:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA04583; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA04578; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crl4.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA24268 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:10:12 -0700 Received: by crl4.crl.com id AA04913 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:09:44 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: David Minuk To: Ray Vonie Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: The After-Buzz on Megga-Buzz In-Reply-To: <199609080115.SAA16688@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm glad to hear it went well. I could tell from your flyer that you were ernest and had learned from past problems. Your past events have been enjoyable, if a little overhyped, and I hope you can continue on that path. There is an important need for large, diverse parties in this scene. David From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 20:33:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA09404; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA09398; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp045-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.45]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id UAA27515 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:31:22 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960907203628.0093f198@pop.sirius.com> X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 20:36:30 -0700 To: SFRaves From: Brendan Subject: [NRR] fun web site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk if you've got the shockwave plugin, you have to check this one out. fun fun fun http://slugfest.kaizen.net/fabio.html -brendan- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Sep 7 21:13:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA11396; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA11389; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.hooked.net (moonpup@bass.hooked.net [206.80.6.41]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04510 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by bass.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA24968; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609080416.VAA24968@bass.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: tape covers Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk surely someone out there does or has the scientific and/or technical knowledge to help me make a tape cover for my new tapes........ e-mail me or call me at 415-337-6666 thanx..... moonpup From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 04:15:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id EAA07720; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 04:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id EAA07712; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 04:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id EAA03912; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 04:15:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199609081115.EAA03912@netcom9.netcom.com> To: jlawrenc@cisco.com Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: back from burning man and the USA is at war ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Sep 96 21:20:57 PDT." <9609070420.AA02996@orac.strata.com> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 96 04:15:18 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On Friday, Mr PBS Radio Man told me something that really got me >confused. He said that some of the Kurds had asked Big Bad Sadam for >help fighting some of the other Kurds. This made me sad because it made >me think that Big Bad Sadam hadn't really deserved the beating that >Uncle Bill had given him. But them I remembered that Uncle Bill was >protecting Americam Interests and I guess that makes it ok. Also, you should realize that the US (CIA) has been arming one Kurdish faction to the hilt in the last 6 years, although the support is being called "humanitarian aid" to congress in the hopes that people won't notice. The real reason is that our "smart bombs" in the Desert Storm "blitzkrieg" couldn't do the job of toppling Saddam Hussein, but an armed internal insurrection/civil-war caused by a group of well organized, well funded, and well-armed Kurds just might. Unfortunately, billions of dollars have been spent and they're not doing a very effective job of reigning in the ex CIA-imposed crony (Saddam Hussein). However, the balance of power got thrown off enough that the faction that the Kurdish faction we weren't arming had to ask for help from Saddam Hussein's army. So S.H. moved his own army around within his own country across mock-borders that have nothing to do with the borders of his own country, and we bombed them for doing that. Now that Iraq can't help them, the other faction of Kurds is also asking the USA for "humanitarian aid" (aka weapons and training), and apparently, we're considering sending it to them. Meanwhile, Turkey and Iran are getting in on the "covert war" we're trying to fight because they're noticing a power vacuum and they'd love to get their hands on Northern Iraq. Your tax dollars at work here. (Did you vote for this colossal waste of money??) Can you say Vietnam-II? Sure you can! If you don't like this situation, you should send Bill Clinton a message by not voting for him (Ralph Nader of the Green Party would be a good alternative), and likewise, don't vote for Bob Dole either as Dole has reverse-triangulated Clinton into this compromise position by publicly calling him a "pussy." THen again, perhaps you agree with Bill CLinton's signing of the defense-of-marriage act which denies all states the rights to honor gay/lesbian marriages and therefore give gay/lesbian couples the same benefits under the law that heterosexual marriages are granted (i'm hetero myself, yet I find Clinton's signing an act of treason against the progressives that put him in power). Furthermore, the defense-of-marriage act is a heavy handed federal mandate that denies states rights, even though the republicans that asked for this law to be passed are normally staunch proponents of limiting federal powers and granting states rights (hypocrites!)... ANd then there's Clinton's signing of the welfare act which cuts important health, housing and human services to the segment of society that needs them most. Meanwhile we're spending orders of magnitude more money on crap like arming both sides of a Kurdish civil war in the hopes that we can topple Saddam Hussein. THis is totally sickening. We got "democracy" in the USA like the USSR was "communist"... I for one refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils (aka CLinton). That's a pathetic cop-out, especially for a president that has completely abandoned the progressive/left that put him in power in the first place. I will no longer tolerate his treason, and neither should you. The lesser of two evils is not what democracy is supposed to be about. Fact is, it won't make a shit of a difference if the republicans win, but if there's even 10-20% voting for neither CLinton/DOle then that will send a big fucking message to those cunts in Washington. (yeah yeah yeah, so there's 3 supreme court justices to be appointed -- what of Bill Clinton's recent actions makes you confident that he'll refrain from putting in the same kind of dickweed justices that Dole would have installed?). Democracy my ass. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 06:50:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id GAA14055; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 06:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.mgl.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id GAA14048; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 06:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.246.132.54] (hurricane22.mgl.ca [199.246.132.54]) by lightning.mgl.ca (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA07818; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 09:59:52 -0400 X-Sender: ecto@mgl.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 09:54:01 -0400 To: Brendan From: ecto@souliton.com (brad finlay) Subject: Re: [NRR] fun web site Cc: SFRaves Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:36 PM 9/7/96, Brendan wrote: >if you've got the shockwave plugin, you have to check this one out. fun fun fun > >http://slugfest.kaizen.net/fabio.html >-brendan- That's totally wicked, but where's Bob Saget? I wanna whoop his butt! ;) peace & love, ecto "the slugger" _________ ---------/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==-------------- -|_. ._|+ souliton studios : http://www.souliton.com/ | |_. ._| | planet ecto : http://www.souliton.com/ecto | |_| | magnetic mirror ezine : http://www.tchort.com/magnetic | ._| |_. | |_| |_| "make love your strange attractor" +|_________|- -----====\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 11:13:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA29838; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA29820; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (ausman@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA02816; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:13:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199609081813.LAA02816@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> To: "Niels P. Mayer" cc: jlawrenc@cisco.com, "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: NRR Re: back from burning man and the USA is at war ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Sep 1996 04:15:18 PDT." <199609081115.EAA03912@netcom9.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 11:13:39 -0700 From: James Ausman Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [some pretty on the mark analysis of the Iraq situation deleted] WARNING WARNING POLITICS FOLLOWS IF YOU ARE ALLERGIC TO REASONED LEFTIST DISCOURSE DELETE NOW I am leaning heavily toward voting Ralph Nader but not at all for the reasons you describe. This is politics, my friend. It is important, especially in politics, to punish your enemies and reward your friends. For all Slick Willie's (the whitehouse Willie) shortcomings, he has been the most gay friendly president we have ever had. He has changed an ancient and dishonorable military policy to fit more in line with general societal morality ("don't ask, don't tell" is about where my parents are on the whole thing). He has appointed openly gay and lesbian people to posistions of high power in his administration. He has supported increased funding for AIDS treatment and research. So, while he _has_ lied, backpeddled, and generally sold down the river gays and lesbians when political considerations made it neccesary, he has been far from an ogre. I would give him a C- personally. If he wasn't such a lying scumbag about it, I might even bump him up to a C+. A low passing grade on the subject of civil rights for lesbians and gays is the highest grade any president ever has recieved, in my book. Now, where he just doesn't meet the grade is in the area of basic civil liberties. Mr. "let the FBI tap 1000000 (yes, that's one million Virginia) phones simultaniously without judicial oversight" Clinton can just go take a flying leap in my book. He has in numerous other ways supported the National Security State apparatus in ways that are unconscionable to me. Justice without liberty is a temporary state at best. Free people will bring about justice. A powerful secret police is not conducive to liberty, in fact it is the antithesis of it. Democracy cannot survive without a healthy and reasoned discourse, which depends on the free flow of ideas. So because of this, I am voting Green. The Green's agree with me on a bunch of other things as well, but I would consider supporting Bill if he didn't hate the Bill of Rights so much. I bet even Bob Dole would do a better job of defending basic liberties. Or at least a worse job of dismantling them. He has some sort of moral compass and the gumption and experience to not be a dupe of the NSA/CIA/FBI crowd. > >If you don't like this situation, you should send Bill Clinton a >message by not voting for him (Ralph Nader of the Green Party would be >a good alternative), and likewise, don't vote for Bob Dole either as >Dole has reverse-triangulated Clinton into this compromise position by >publicly calling him a "pussy." THen again, perhaps you agree with Bill >CLinton's signing of the defense-of-marriage act which denies all >states the rights to honor gay/lesbian marriages and therefore give >gay/lesbian couples the same benefits under the law that heterosexual >marriages are granted (i'm hetero myself, yet I find Clinton's signing >an act of treason against the progressives that put him in power). >Furthermore, the defense-of-marriage act is a heavy handed federal >mandate that denies states rights, even though the republicans that >asked for this law to be passed are normally staunch proponents of >limiting federal powers and granting states rights (hypocrites!)... ANd >then there's Clinton's signing of the welfare act which cuts important >health, housing and human services to the segment of society that needs >them most. Meanwhile we're spending orders of magnitude more money on >crap like arming both sides of a Kurdish civil war in the hopes that we >can topple Saddam Hussein. > Jim Ausman ---------------- "The general confusion as to what is really going on makes it easier to cling to lunatic beliefs." -G. Orwell From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 11:41:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA02102; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA02096; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA28393 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:41:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b15.32.19960908114100.00905e30@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b15 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 11:41:04 -0700 To: SFRaves From: "THX1138" Subject: Fascion Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; Well folks dis one is for those who like to dress well. Villians, on da Haight just got in a whole bunch of new Verso stuff, my personal favorite; jackets, pants, tops, ... etc. While not as good of a selection Housewares also on da Haight recently got in a whole bunch of Hook Ups, Pig Pen & Liquid Sky Alien shirts, B-Caps, pants and accessories. So dress because it makes YOU feel good, not because your trying to impress that special someone. For if they aren't impressed with YOU; all da clothes in da world won't make a difference. Peace & Love Brian, da Clothes Horse ps Picked Up; Yet Another New & Different 100% Reflective Jacket Look For The Glowing ME at a rave near YOU soon. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 11:52:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA02802; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA02797; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sandoz@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA25205 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:52:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: pluto.sfsu.edu: sandoz owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG X-Sender: sandoz@pluto To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To all those who got really fucked up and then proceeded to drive around the dessert at 80 miles an hour what's it like to have blood on your hands? While it's pointless to go on and on about my BM experience and I will say this: it was to big and to out of control. Apart from that I had a great time, took lots and lots of exceptionally fine dsangerious drugs and met lots and lots of the kind of women that my mother used to warn me about. The burning of the man was excellent (especially on an eighth of liberty caps!) and I had two blinding nights at Whicked. CCC was not bad either. But at the end of the day the event was disarster for most concerned to which I say this: there have to be reasons other then scientific for the fact that there is not a singlepiece of life out their. Think about it! Tristan. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 11:53:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA02870; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA02860; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA28751 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:53:24 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b15.32.19960908115320.00906674@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b15 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 11:53:25 -0700 To: SFRaves From: "THX1138" Subject: Tired Of That Do Nothing E-Mail Reader...... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; Tired Of That Do Nothing E-Mail Reader, Qualcomm recently released Eudora Pro 3.* Beta for Windows 95, the Mac Version is already out. First of all, I think Qualcomm could have done more, but the new version I think blows the Winsock out of what's currently available for the Windows 95 OS; make sure you get a copy of the Beta for free at: http://www.qualcomm.com/ Because it's serious featured packed E-Mail fun. Features like automatic spell checking once qued for delivery, yeah!!!!!!!! Dis one I know will make all you mis-spell-ers very happy, like myself. Peace Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 12:29:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA06094; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom12.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA06075; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA18976; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:28:57 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199609081928.MAA18976@netcom12.netcom.com> Subject: Dope High vs. Natural High To: mdpkl@best.com (matthew d. p. k. lanier) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960907211851.006ee310@best.com> from "matthew d. p. k. lanier" at Sep 7, 96 02:18:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves ] Recently , Matt asked us on SFRaves to do him a favor: > well, i made a promise to myself at beautiful people: become a sober raver. > as much as i enjoy mind altering substances, i've done them enough, and it's > time to learn how to do it myself without the help of a little pill. my > goal is to be a good sober raver by january 1, so if anyone sees me high at > a rave, slap me around a little and remind me of my goal! .... Well , OK ... but ... how can you tell !!??! I'm assuming you mean a dope high vs. a high achieved without the help of special chemicals. BUT, the two states look the same in many cases to other persons. I guess we'll just play it safe and kick your ass if you if you look even a little bit in the trance zone ! God help you if we catch you smiling "for no good reason" ! ( Anybody remember that Suicidal Tendencies song about the guy who's just idling sitting in his room, thoughts drifting and gaze blank? His mom sees him and accuses him of being on drugs because he's not being a perky teen! I don't remember what the name of the song was. "Mom, I just want a Pepsi!"). > .... i think that each > person needs to decide what their substance usage level is, and that we each > need to respect that. That's just good manners, seem's to me. I've luckily never been with users who were the "forcing" type. The only time someone tried to pressure me into doing something was at a bar - I didn't want a drink and this guy insisted I have one ( damn ethanol heads! :-) <= smiley included to indicate satirical content ). > ... i've just be so impressed recently by the number of > completely sober ravers that i've hung out with that are still absolutely > loving raving, and i decided that i want to do that, too. > .... this was my last "fucked up" rave, and harmony will be my first > "totally me" rave. wish me luck, and send me love as i attempt to make this > transition. Some other things to keep in mind - - Have a good idea as to whether you're doing "straightedge" [ absolutley nothing from now on ] , or something less than your current usage but not total abstinence. - { Personal opinion coming , not an attempt to nag others to my way of thinking! } Try to coordinate your chemical high occasions to something of ritual/spiritual significance. The main use of drugs that alter mental states is for spiritual and medicianl use in those cultures that have a history of using such drugs. And even then , such use may only be by a subset of the culture , like shamans. Even tobacco, I think, was only used for special occasions by the native americans. The "get fucked up to party down" usage of drugs has always nagged me in a small way ( may be a hangover from my Catholic grade school days ). On the other hand, I think live blues and blues rock is better appreciated with some alcohol inside me , so ??? - In times of no drugs, lower your inhibitions! 8-P !!! Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 12:39:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA06791; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA06776; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA11846 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:39:01 -0700 Received: from [206.86.235.114] (lesliea.vip.best.com [206.86.235.114]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA02586 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:38:47 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:38:47 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) Subject: Re: Fascion Update Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Well folks dis one is for those who like to dress well. Villians, > on da Haight just got in a whole bunch of new Verso stuff And for those who like to dress uniquely and creatively, there are awesome daily shipments to your neighborhood Salvation Army and Goodwill where you can find the treasures of the past and make them into your individual creative statement for today! But you gotta promise to keep the eyes out for the amazing hats from the 60s and 70s for me, ok? > For if they aren't impressed with YOU; all da > clothes in da world won't make a difference. Ain't that the truth. Leslie ; ) XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -O- -- [8 ._. 8] . _____. . \___/ . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 12:52:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA07886; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA07872; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21376; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:50:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: whats going on today? To: Happy Ravers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk sunset? anything interesting out there in rave land, im bored... love to all, tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 13:20:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA09905; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA09896; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp043-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.43]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id NAA09269 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:18:08 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960908132255.00940b34@pop.sirius.com> X-Sender: erase99@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 13:23:24 -0700 To: SFRaves From: Soya Subject: Re: whats going on today? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >sunset? anything interesting out there in rave land, im bored... Sunday, September 8th - Coolworld presents Groove Fest: Chapter 1 Carlos, Garth, Ghost, Dave Alga, Tribal Disco Noise, The Padric Toman Band, Force 7, Double Trouble, Bank Shot, Martha B.. All ages, Free. People's Park, , Berkeley. 510.729.3119 free bands in people's park.. i think i'll go check it out. -brendan- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 14:45:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA17512; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA17484; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id OAA10892; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Larry Ching cc: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Dope High vs. Natural High In-Reply-To: <199609081928.MAA18976@netcom12.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Larry Ching wrote: > [ to sfraves ] > > Recently , Matt asked us on SFRaves to do him a favor: > > > well, i made a promise to myself at beautiful people: become a sober raver. > > as much as i enjoy mind altering substances, i've done them enough, and it's > > time to learn how to do it myself without the help of a little pill. my > > goal is to be a good sober raver by january 1, so if anyone sees me high at > > a rave, slap me around a little and remind me of my goal! .... > > Well , OK ... but ... how can you tell !!??! I'm assuming you mean a dope > high vs. a high achieved without the help of special chemicals. BUT, the two > states look the same in many cases to other persons. > > I guess we'll just play it safe and kick your ass if you if you look even a > little bit in the trance zone ! God help you if we catch you smiling "for no > good reason" ! ( Anybody remember that Suicidal Tendencies song about the > guy who's just idling sitting in his room, thoughts drifting and gaze blank? > His mom sees him and accuses him of being on drugs because he's not being > a perky teen! I don't remember what the name of the song was. "Mom, I just > want a Pepsi!"). No, that's " all i wanted was a Pepsi, just a Pepsi and she wouldn't give it to me,,,etc.." The song was called "Instituionalized". Man, I listen the everything;). Reagan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 14:47:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA17676; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA17666; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id OAA10946; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Tom Leichardt cc: Happy Ravers Subject: Re: whats going on today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sunset is going on kids!! It's at Point Molaite. Have fun for me; I gotta go to work;(. Can anyone out there tell me if today's is the last one? Reagan On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Tom Leichardt wrote: > > sunset? anything interesting out there in rave land, im bored... > > love to all, > tom > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 15:15:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA19950; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA19943; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA19843; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trose@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA10819; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:12:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Anthony Rose To: Soya cc: SFRaves Subject: Re: whats going on today? In-Reply-To: <3.0b11.32.19960908132255.00940b34@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk wow!! I am on my way right now! * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* Tony Rose UC Berkeley CS http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~trose ************** ******* ***** *** ** * * On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Soya wrote: > >sunset? anything interesting out there in rave land, im bored... > > Sunday, September 8th - Coolworld presents Groove Fest: Chapter 1 > Carlos, Garth, Ghost, Dave Alga, Tribal Disco Noise, The Padric Toman Band, > Force 7, Double > Trouble, Bank Shot, Martha B.. > All ages, Free. People's Park, , Berkeley. 510.729.3119 > > free bands in people's park.. i think i'll go check it out. > -brendan- > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 15:26:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA20695; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id PAA20687; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.32.91.96] (mmf26.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.96]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA30930; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:23:54 -0800 To: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Leslie the TV star =) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >To the list: any ideas of something we can do collectively to support > Leslie and our scene since most of us won't be able to > make the taping??? don't those shows sometimes have a call-in section? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 16:19:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA24315; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.wco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA24310; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell (spence@shell [199.4.94.16]) by shell.wco.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA06555 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Spencer-Steigner X-Sender: spence@shell To: SF Raves Subject: Location of Spundae? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I know it's on Natoma tonight, 55 Natoma; between which streets? ...Thanks in advance. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 16:40:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA25995; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gryphon.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA25990; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from vision@localhost) by gryphon.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA29453; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Max Vision To: Steven Spencer-Steigner cc: SF Raves Subject: Re: Location of Spundae? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Steven Spencer-Steigner wrote: > I know it's on Natoma tonight, 55 Natoma; between which streets? > ...Thanks in advance. > Hey I would _really_ appreciate a cc: ! :) I was going to head out for the Boat Party, but it was cancelled, so now I haven't danced all weekend, and I really wanna *move* =) I check email all the time - thanks! Carrying the Seattle scene in his heart, Max Vision From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 19:15:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA08668; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.wco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA08663; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell (spence@shell [199.4.94.16]) by shell.wco.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA26117 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:14:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Spencer-Steigner X-Sender: spence@shell To: SF Raves Subject: IGNORE ! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 20:37:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA14364; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.mgl.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA14359; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.246.132.169] (tsunami25.mgl.ca [199.246.132.169]) by lightning.mgl.ca (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA32073; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:46:54 -0400 X-Sender: ecto@mgl.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:40:38 -0400 To: mdpkl@best.com (matthew d. p. k. lanier) From: ecto@souliton.com (brad finlay) Subject: For Matt and other au naturel ravers ;) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To all who go to parties sober (not to say every party, but most) and get the dreaded question: "Yo, what are you on?" Here's some good responses: *looks at shoes* "Hmm, looks like a pair of converse hi-tops" "Can't...communicate... so amazing...beyond linguistic interpretation ...uhhh...had a Twinkie about half an hour ago" "Some really amazing - oh wait. Hey, i'm sober! I was trancing out so hard i forgot!" "No dude, it's what are you *in*" then wink cryptically. ;) have fun! brad _________ ---------/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==-------------- -|_. ._|+ souliton studios : http://www.souliton.com/ | |_. ._| | planet ecto : http://www.souliton.com/ecto | |_| | magnetic mirror ezine : http://www.tchort.com/magnetic | ._| |_. | |_| |_| "extrapolate inwards" +|_________|- -----====\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 20:43:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA14749; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA14740; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:43:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Civicgirl1@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17955; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:43:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:43:03 -0400 Message-ID: <960908234236_474553040@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: raygun@value.net, larryc@netcom.com cc: mdpkl@best.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: i heard that..... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i heard that the raVes now are kinda shady. my friend's friends went to a rave and took some *E*....well, i heard about not buying stuff from the raves becuz you don't know what the hell is in it. they took it, and there was heroin and some other shit in it that got them so fucked up they couldn't come down from it for a looong time. they said they felt like they're were dying. =( me and my friend were concerned about this and we're gonna keep cool with the rave scene for awhile.... i don't think we're gonna even go to *Harmony* now that my friend heard about this.... =( i was looking forward to it too. oh wells. well, this isn't gonna stop me from going raving and i'm not blaming anyone about it becuz they took it on their own will. all we can do is be more cautious and watch out for what's out there....ya dig? =P well, juz wanted to tell ya'll. * be safe* =) bYe guys.... ~CG1~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 20:57:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA15716; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vcn.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA15662; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pounce@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA01471; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie Subject: NRR light at the end of the tunnel! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: nw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My HUGE thanx to every one of you who have been keeping me sane throughout this long, horrible phase of my life. It looks like i'll finally be able to start putting dirt back INTO this hole i'm in instead of digging it deeper!! *BIG SIGH* Now all i have to do is get myself out of this insane household and find a REAL roommate instead of an alien fuckwad masquerading as one. thank you all once again :) i don't know what i would have done if it hadn't been for your love and laughter over the past few months! exultant pounce! ---------------------------- You know, there are many people in the country today who, through no fault of their own, are sane. Some of them were born sane. Some of them became sane later in their lives. It is up to people like you and me who are out of our tiny little minds to try and help these people overcome their sanity. -- Monty Python From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 21:12:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA16845; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA16830; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post-awful.apple.com (post-awful.apple.com [17.255.0.17]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20562 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:11:00 -0700 Received: from [17.202.40.56] (baccje.apple.com [17.202.40.56]) by post-awful.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA62650 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:14:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199609090414.VAA62650@post-awful.apple.com> Subject: Re: Dope High vs. Natural High Date: Sun, 8 Sep 96 21:12:59 -0000 From: Anarch cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Larry Ching, larryc@netcom.com wrote: >( Anybody remember that Suicidal Tendencies song about the >guy who's just idling sitting in his room, thoughts drifting and gaze blank? >His mom sees him and accuses him of being on drugs because he's not being >a perky teen! I don't remember what the name of the song was. INSTITUTIONALIZED...I'm not crazy...INSTITUTIONALIZED...you're the one that's crazy...INSTITUTIONALIZED...you're driving me crazy...INSTITUTIONALIZED... anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 8 23:53:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA26106; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA26100; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id XAA11531; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:52:58 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199609090652.XAA11531@netcom9.netcom.com> Subject: Circle Closing At Sunset To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: MaryP76944@aol.com, wpenna@aol.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ mostly to sfraves mailist ] Quasi-Review of Today's Sunset ( with personal maunderings ) After visiting some friends in San Francisco today, I drive to Richmond's Point Molate for Sunset. I got there at about 6:55PM. Gosh, lots of folks! 200, 300 people? I don't know who was spinning as the sun went down ( a bald, beefy black guy, about maybe late twenties or early thirties ), but his timing was great! He mixed that great accapella "The House That Jack Built" into some nice house, and it seemed the perfect track to complement the traditional enthusiasm that the Sunset crowd always shows the disappearance of the sun. That great DJ was follwed by John Carel, and more wonderful music pumped out to the bay! I left around 7:50 PM . The House That Jack Built - This acapella has a special significance to me. I first heard it at an early SFRaves-sponsered rave at Bonny Doone called Connection, way back in 1992 (?). It was the morning, and I was so tired from an evening of doing parking area duty, doing odd chores here and there, and just being up until sunrise. I was sort of dragging when the DJ ( I don't even remember who it was then ) mixed this thing. For those who've never heard it, it's like a sermon about "Jack" and the "House" he built for everyone , "black or white, jew or gentile" , etc. "This is our house, and this is our house music!" Very uplifting! So - now I'm cutting down on my rave attendence , and it just seems like a great circle of some kind has closed, now that I've heard "The House That Jack Built" again, after all this time. To whoever that DJ was at today's Sunset - thank you! Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 00:00:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA26861; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id AAA26838; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:00:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Wolfchen@aol.com Received: by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA06812 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:59:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:59:50 -0400 Message-ID: <960909025949_474631800@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR: TWA Friendly Fire Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Got one hell of a 'forward mail' sent to me. Had to pass it along to all that I know...take it as you will. -A ________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ _ From: Genzmer Mike on Thu, 5 Sep, 1996 4:46 PM Subject: FW: Friendly Fire?...... To: Araujo Sheri; Chun, Claire; DeMartini Linda; Dersch Tim; Ellson Mark; Fitzpatrick Bob; Frank Mark; Heffernan Paul; Helseth Dave; Irvin Ed; Lindgren John; Lockhart Pam; Maddox Amy; Martin William; Parsons Tom; Schalk Rudy; Schlapfer Martin; Wilbur Curt; Wong Mike ______________________________________________________________________________ _ From: Hinkle Al on Thu, Sep 5, 1996 3:45 PM Subject: FW: Friendly Fire?...... To: Alexandrov Anna; Alhadate Mark; Fujimoto Harold; Genzmer Mike; Glass Gary; Hank Smith; Hansen Jerry; Jaques Martin; Joe Eugene; Kirk John; Koide Dave; Lanham Lucy; McArdle Mark; McKnight John; Mogler Doug; Okamura Martha; Pace Gary; Paul Mike; Poeschl Mark; Poston Bob; PSumnicht@aol.com; Striegel Rhonda; Sumnicht Peter; Tom & Gail; Vail Cindy; Wysgoll Mike Hi gang, I have my doubts, but it certainly is interesting and explosive... --Al ______________________________________________________________________________ _ From: Erwin Jodi on Thu, Sep 5, 1996 3:05 PM Subject: FW: Friendly Fire?...... To: Alexander Bruce nmi; Baessler Mike; Barkley Rick; Bataller Susan; Berg Jeff; Botelho Russ; Busse Franz; Cabral Bill; Case Gary; Cestari Drew; Chinn Don; Chiu Jenny; Chun Paul; Coombs Dick; Cordrey Rob; Dea Joann; DeBuhr Milt; Dietz Jerry; Djordjevic Nik; Druley Steve; Fieger Martin; Flaig Ken; Fortmeier Dave; Fugate David; Genzmer Mike; Gillin Joe; Glass Gary; Gonzalez Wayne; Hail Tom; Harris Clif; Hawes Duncan; Heinsohn Mike; Heise Ron; Hinkle Al; Horn Dick; Hubbard Barbara; Hubert, Peter; Hubka Bill; Ito Merrill; Jew Nelson; John Mergenthaler; Kay Robb; Kerr Earl; Kindall Rich; Lee Ellen; LeMay Kevin; Lohafer Phil; Mack Chris; Manning Mandy; Mar Lyman; Martinez Manny; McAvoy Tom; McNerney John; Meredith Peggy; Miller Chuck; Morrow John; Nederostek Rich; Nielson Joanne; Overstreet Brent; Palmer Steve; Pintner Steve; Plater John; Procopio Ben; Pustelnik Steve; Reppucci Carol; Roberts Owen; Sanders John; Shaver Kerry; Smith Dan; Snyder Jeff; Steelnack Bob; Thorne Rick; Todd Will; Trushel Rick; Vaurs Sandy; Weissman Jack; Yenne Wayne; Young Carolyn; Zajac, Frank S., LMTO Justing doing my part to spread rumors... ______________________________________________________________________________ _ From: Cabral Bill on 5, Sep 1996 14:54 Subject: FW: Friendly Fire?...... To: Erwin Jodi; Hawes Duncan; Roberts Owen; Shaver Kerry ______________________________________________________________________________ _ From: Manning Mandy on Thu, Sep 05, 1996 12:36 Subject: FW: Friendly Fire?...... To: BLOB; Bohn, Edmund J., Capt; Cabral Bill; Case Gary; Cline, Nate; CRopus@aol.com; Gebhart, Doug; HUTCH1234@aol.com; Jane Walz; Lincoln, Timothy J.; LTOC SOC-34 PA; McMickell@AOL.com; SDSeamons@aol.com; Seibert Michael; Trs4Frs@aol.com; Tyler Wall; Vaurs Sandy For those of you who like those conspiracy rumors..... this is a BIG one. MM ______________________________________________________________________________ _ From: Comfort, James Capt on Thu, Sep 5, 1996 12:25 PM Subject: FW: Fwd: FW: Friendly Fire?...... To: Manning Mandy; Parsons Harry; Born, Geri Ms; Swan, Steven Capt; Neri, John Capt; Traxler, Scott Capt; White, Kenneth LtC; Grey, Cynthia Capt; Yamaguchi, Paul Maj; Peer, Judith Capt; Smith, Robert; wade r. smith; Ansted, Jeffrey J.; Ballantine John T; cokerh; 'Cook, Tamara'; DeMars, Jerald, Capt /62064; DiFrancisco Mike; 'Mary and Dennis Newman'; 'Feild,Zan'; 'George.Comfort'; Hackett, Don, Civ /62088; 'Heller, Veronica'; 'Janet Lynn Carter'; moorej; 'Pavdog'; ramireza; 'Fero, Ralph'; Rizzuti, Karen Capt Det4/MIL; Schiller, Greggy; Spina, Louis, Maj /64943; TRCOP; Troup, Tom (Aero) /63099; Wong, Deidra, Civ /62010; Yeager, Louis, 1lt /64843; Yoshinaga, Tim, Capt /62104 Intriguing reading.....questions arise as to type of missile (ie heat seeker would hit engines and disable but not explode the whole plane, etc....) Wade, have you heard anything? Have fun.. JLC ---------- From: Uyehara, Gayle, Aero /63187 To: Henkle, Thomas G.; Davis, Jonathan R.; Keffer, John, Capt /64766; Pluhar, Christopher, Lt /64763; BACIOCDA; Comfort, James Capt; 'Tom McRorie'; UYEHRS Subject: FW: Fwd: FW: Friendly Fire?...... Date: Wednesday, September 04, 1996 14:59 interesting reading... ---------- ---------- FOR YOUR INFORMATION??? ---------- Subject: FW: Fwd: FW: Friendly Fire?...... Date: Wednesday, September 04, 1996 10:16AM I just received the following account of the downing of TWA flight 800 and thought I would share it with you. I cannot vouch for the validity of the information, but will admit that it is interesting. The message came to me from a man who was Safety Chairman for the Airline Pilots Association for many years and he is considered an expert on safety. He would not ever spread idle rumor. In short, he is usually quite certain before saying anything! Hang in there! Regards >=< Dick Subject: Friendly Fire? The following information about TWA Fight 800 was received this afternoon: (08-22-96 ) TWA flight 800 was shot down by a U.S. Navy guided missile ship which was in area W-105. W-105 is a Warning Area off the SouthEast coast of Long Island and is used by the military for missile firing and other military operations. Guided missile ships travel all over the world defending the US and they were conducting practice firings up over the top of a Navy P-3 radar plane who was on a Southwest heading about over the top of TWA 800. Evidently the missile is suppose to go over the top of the P-3 and the accuracy of the missile is being measured by instrumentation in the P-3. There was a USAir flight coming from the Southeast descending towards Providence, RI that had been cleared to 21,000 feet and the TWA 800 aircarft was restricted to 13,000 feet. The air traffic controller requested the USAir flight to turn on his landing lights with the idea that TWA might see his lights and identify him. At that point, he would clear the TWA flight to continue his climb. The P-3 was a non-beacon target (transponder OFF) flying southwest in the controlled airspace almost over TWA 800 and made NO calls to ATC. After the explosion, he continued his flight to the west and then called ATC and asked if they would like him to turn around and assist with the "accident!" You will remember that the first announcement about this accident came from the Pentagon. The spokesman mentioned that they were sending the Navy to the crash site. They immediately sent a Navy Captain who was replaced the next day by an Admiral. That Admiral is still on the scene. The FBI has conducted at least 3,000 eyewitness interviews and the NTSB has not been able to be a part of these interviews not have any access to the contents of them. Some of those eyewitnesses reported seeing lights. Those were probably the landing lights of the USAir plane. It has been a cover-up from the word go. The NTSB is there in name ONLY. All announcements made by Mr. Bob Francis say absolutely nothing and notice that the FBI is always standing beside or behind Mr. Francis and it would appear that his job is to make sure that nothing is said that would give away "THE BIG SECRET!" It is time to end this farce and tell the public the real truth as to what happened to TWA 800. My source shall remain my own but the above information is true and I believe it will all become known soon. Now that all of you know the real truth. END============================================================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 00:16:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA28001; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id AAA27994; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:16:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Wolfchen@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA02717; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 03:15:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 03:15:33 -0400 Message-ID: <960909031531_474635156@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: larryc@netcom.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Circle Closing At Sunset etc Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk That DJ is Bone from Detroit. He had me hooked from the street as I got to Origin at four. He's in town for the week and will be playing at Roots and Nikita (I would verify, tho) He was hanging during Simon's set and seemed to be in a great mood. I missed Sunset but I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of him out here soon. Origin had some great music going off and the location was new and just the way a warehouse rave should be. Great visuals, plenty of fresh air and clear sky, and thundering bass driving you on... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 07:32:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id HAA02848; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 07:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id HAA02843; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 07:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg131-044.ricochet.net [204.179.131.44]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA18989 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 07:32:34 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b15.32.19960909073152.006da4b4@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b15 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 07:31:56 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: nrr: happy monday! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all you happy campers- happy monday to you all! this is the start of a wonderful new week, and i hope you all emjoy it and make the best of it. the important events up for this week: leslie makes her television debut, as a wonderful representative of our community on a show that might have other conceptions about ravers! i start a new job this wednesday (yeah!) at sgi, a place with a rather odd corporate culture! HARMONY! HARMONY!! HARMONY!!!!!!!!!!!! (anything else need be said?) so, enjoy yourselves, and spread love to the world, for there's a shitload of people who will try to bring you down, make you feel bad about the world, or just generally instill you with negative vibe. don't let them!!! love to you all- matt l From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 07:44:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id HAA04244; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 07:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.cis.smu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id HAA04237; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 07:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by post.cis.smu.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.3) id ; Mon, 9 Sep 96 09:43 CDT Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:43:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Stephen Mark Ruiz Subject: Re:I'm with the DEA and I need a reliable (kind long) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <19960907061529.AAA22798@LOCALNAME> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Yves Rossel wrote: > I think this is rave related...I have been a mostly casual observer of the > list for the last 3 or so months now & I have met a few people (Leslie, > David, & probably others) at raves that I later on found out was on the > list.. the problem I am having is getting consistently good E & getting it > from someone who is reliable. I have met people at 1015, Wicked & other > events who I transacted with & I advised them that I would like to establish > a business relationship with them so that I don't have to necessarily go to > an event to make a purchase...most people give me their #'s & I think it is > cool...the stuff I've bought has been fairly good, but when I call for > another purchase it either takes days for someone to call me back or > something else comes up..I guess I should stop babbling & just get to the > point eh?..The point is, is my experience common for most of you? Does > anyone know someone that wouldn't mind getting a phne cll once a month for > an order of 20 or 25 e's....if so, please e-mail me or call me 552-5004...my > name is tony.... > > Coming from someone from ATT.NET and being THIS public......... Hmmmmmmmm, can you say "SET UP". -Stephen "Chameleon" ************************** The Digital Landscapes * Electronic Collective * /\/\/\/\ * | | * |(@)(@)| * \ /\ / * |()| * ************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 08:09:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA06937; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA06924; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (ausman@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA23342; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:09:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199609091509.IAA23342@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> To: Stephen Mark Ruiz cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, ausman@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: I'm with the DEA and I need a reliable (kind long) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:43:58 CDT." Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 08:09:27 -0700 From: James Ausman Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > >On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Yves Rossel wrote: > >> [request for illicit substances deleted] >> >> >Coming from someone from ATT.NET and being THIS public......... >Hmmmmmmmm, can you say "SET UP". > >-Stephen "Chameleon" > I have said this before and I will say it again, albeit more politely this time (and sorry if there were any feelings hurt last time). Various people, through either incredible niavete or maliciousness, will say things that will arouse your suspicion on this list. In my opinion, the best response is none. In a list with 450 subscribers, it is safe to assume that there is one cop, or at least one "good citizen." Don't be stupid. Don't say stupid things (I have violated this one at least a couple of times...). An ancient and powerful way to break up a community is by sowing the seeds of mistrust. Let's not go around trying to guess "who's the phed" or any other such silly game. Please use common sense. If you really want more of my advice, email me and I will tell you more what I think about this. On the topic of information security and all that. Jim Ausman ------------------- you're only paranoid if they're not really watching you From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 08:10:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA07139; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA07124; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA19227; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:10:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199609091510.IAA19227@netcom11.netcom.com> To: James Ausman Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" , "Chris 'Jack' Hart" , "Geoff White" Subject: Re: NRR Re: back from burning man and the USA is at war ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Sep 96 11:13:39 PDT." <199609081813.LAA02816@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 08:10:35 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Speaking of clinton's lameness w/r/t supporting government invasions into privacy, here's some interesting info on an upcoming conference where government wiretapping issues are being discussed. The keynotes peaker is Ralph Nader, who also happens to be the Green Party presidential candidate. Take a good look at where Nader stands w/r/t real freedom against the lamer i-got-mine-so-you-get-yours-i-buy-my-freedom-with-my-personal-wealth libertarian candidates, or the dangerous-megalomaniacal-salesman-from-hell Ross Perot (is he really Bob Dobbs' evil long lost brother??). Given that Big Brother will be watching us all very soon (if not already), I suggest you all become very learned in the ways of computer cryptography. Geeks may want to study Bruce Schneier's "Applied Cryptography, Second Edition" (published by Wiley) and pick up a copy of PGP, plus get Simson and Stafford's "Practical Unix Security" (published by O'Reilley). Others will just have to wait for some cool easy-to-use software to come out to help you maintain your constitutional rights to free speech and freedom of assembly in cyberspace. -------------------- COMPUTER PROFESSIONALS FOR SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY presents a conference on COMMUNICATIONS UNLEASHED What's At Stake? Who Benefits? How To Get Involved! OCTOBER 19-20, 1996 Georgetown University - Washington, DC Co-sponsored by the Communication, Culture, and Technology program of the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences at Georgetown University SATURDAY, OCTOBER 19 KEYNOTE SPEAKER - RALPH NADER (invited); consumer advocate and founder of the Center for the Study of Responsive Law; Green Party presidential candidate THE COMMUNICATIONS TSUNAMI - In today's world of corporate mergers and the mega-packaging of services, what's at stake for consumers and who will represent their views? What is the meaning of "public interest" in the new digital environment? Panelists will examine the ramifications and effects of the Telecommunications Act in such critical areas as universal service, the opening of local exchanges to competition, the provision of fair pricing rules, and the stewardship of the dazzling array of emerging broadband services. TOOLKITS FOR ACTIVISTS - Media giants and merger-mania dominate the public dialogue on communications issues. How can activists at the local, state, and national levels develop an effective voice in the currently one-sided debate over changes in the marketplace and the regulatory environment? How can community-based organizations use the Internet as a tool for online organizing, enhancing public interest campaigns and increasing the efficiency of their internal communications? THE INTERNET: COMMERCIALIZATION, GLOBALIZATION, AND GOVERNANCE - The accelerating commercialization and globalization of the Internet raises new and divisive problems of governance and control that will profoundly affect the future of the net and all of its users. What is the outlook in key areas like pricing schemes, access to information and services, and Internet telephony? INFORMATION RIGHTS - New information technologies and the policy responses to them raise many critical issues related to information rights on the Internet. Panelists will discuss these topics in detail, including the Communications Decency Act and freedom of speech online, copyright protection, and threats to privacy from the collection of personal information online. COMPUTERS AND ELECTIONS: RISKS, RELIABILITY, AND REFORM - There are widespread, legitimate concerns about the accuracy, integrity, and security of computer-generated vote totals. Panelists will explore the technical, social, and political origins of these concerns within the context of today's little-scrutinized election system. They will also make recommendations for changes in the areas of technology, election law, accountability, and oversight. SUNDAY, OCTOBER 20 will feature WORKSHOPS on: communications access and the consumer; broadcasting and mass media; civic networking; media tactics and outreach; Internet legal issues; and using the Internet for political action. The 1996 CPSR Annual Meeting will take place Sunday afternoon. All conference attendees are welcome. ****************************************************************** REGISTRATION --- Space is limited so register early. Name ______________________________________________________________ Address ___________________________________________________________ City_________________________________State________Zip______________ Telephone____________________________E-mail________________________ Payment method: Check___Visa___MC___Card #___________Exp. Date_____ Early registration: through 9/19 Late registration: postmarked after 9/19 Early registration Late registration CPSR $60______ $70______ Non member $85______ $95______ New CPSR membership ($50 value) & registration $105______ $115______ Low income/student $25______ $35______ Saturday night buffet $25______ $30______ Additional donation to further CPSR's work ________ Total enclosed: ________ Scholarships are available. For more information contact the CPSR national office at 415-322-3778 or cpsrannmtg@cpsr.org. Make check payable to CPSR. Send the completed registration form with payment to: CPSR, PO Box 717, Palo Alto, CA 94302-0717. FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE CONFERENCE, CONTACT CPSR at 415-322-3778, 703-739-9320 or cpsrannmtg@cpsr.org or http://www.cpsr.org/home.html **** http://www.georgetown.edu/grad/CCT ***************************************************************** HOTEL AND TRAVEL INFORMATION The GU Conference Center has reserved a block of guest rooms operated by the Marriott and located in the Leavey Center on campus. The $85 a night rate applies until September 30. For reservations call the GU Conference Center at 202-687-3200. The closest off-campus hotel is the Holiday Inn (202-338-4600) located at 2101 Wisconsin Avenue NW where a block of rooms at $109 a night has been reserved. This rate applies until September 17. Rooms are limited so make your reservation as early as possible. United Airlines is the official airline of the conference and is offering a discount to attendees. For reservations call the United Meetings Desk at 800-521-4041. The Meeting ID Code is 503ZV. There are many restaurants and shops located in the historic neighborhood adjoining the Georgetown campus. The events on Saturday will take place in the Bunn InterCultural Center (marked on the map as ICC). This building is not accessible by car. Participants have several choices: 1- Take the blue or orange line Metro to Rosslyn and walk over the Key Bridge to campus (probably about a 15-20 minute walk). There is also a Georgetown blue and gray shuttle bus that runs from the Rosslyn (and Dupont Circle) metro station to the campus. 2- Take a taxi to the main campus entrance at the corner of 37th Street and O Streets, NW. 3- Take one of the many city buses that stops at the main campus entrance to Georgetown, 37th and O Streets, NW. 4- Drive and park in the Campus Parking Lot #3 (accessible either off M Street, just west of the Key Bridge, or at the end of Prospect Street) which is free on the weekends. This is the lot with the large P in the lower left-hand corner of the map. Participants can then walk up the driveway and around to the ICC building. Signs will be posted for your convenience. Susan Evoy * Deputy Director http://www.cpsr.org/home.html Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility P.O. Box 717 * Palo Alto * CA * 94302 Phone: (415) 322-3778 * Fax: (415) 322-4748 * Email: evoy@cpsr.org * For general information about CPSR and its electronic services, send email to cpsr-info@cpsr.org. This contact point will get you some useful info via an autoresponder. Also, your message will go to a human at the CPSR National Office who will respond if your request goes beyond that answered by the automatic response. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 08:13:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA07363; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA07355; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ausman@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA23492 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:14:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:14:00 -0700 From: James Ausman Message-Id: <199609091514.IAA23492@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Acme and Beautiful People Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah, why is it that some of my best rave experiences always happen in that sweaty, dangerous hole? Perhaps overcoming our environment together brings out the best in us. Perhaps there is a psychedlic residue left in the place, due to so many good parties. Perhaps I am just a freak ;-) Jim Ausman -------------------- ser y no ser resultan ser la vida. -neruda From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 08:15:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA07607; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA07600; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.9) id IAA27815; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609091515.IAA27815@guilder.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Karen Hardie From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Help, I need a reliable (kind long) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Uhhh, I aggree whole heartedly. This is totally NRR trouble waiting to happen. Rick At 11:32 PM 9/6/96 -0700, you wrote: >er ... i don't think that THIS is the kind of drug-related post that >should be appearing on a public forum which is accessable by anyone. > >---------------------------- >You know, there are many people in the country today who, through no >fault of their own, are sane. Some of them were born sane. Some of >them became sane later in their lives. It is up to people like you >and me who are out of our tiny little minds to try and help these >people overcome their sanity. > -- Monty Python > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 08:16:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA07685; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.cis.smu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA07669; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by post.cis.smu.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.3) id ; Mon, 9 Sep 96 10:16 CDT Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:16:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Stephen Mark Ruiz Subject: Re: I'm with the DEA and I need a reliable (kind long) To: James Ausman cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, ausman@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU In-Reply-To: <199609091509.IAA23342@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes, I understand that. I was just making a point that ther ARE people out there who would like to see this type of community gone all together, and that if anyone were to aid in his request they could be putting themselves in danger. But I understand your point, and being new to this community in particular, I thought it was something that should be addressed. -Stephen "Chameleon" ************************** The Digital Landscapes * Electronic Collective * /\/\/\/\ * | | * |(@)(@)| * \ /\ / * |()| * ************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 09:05:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA11947; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host.domain.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA11938; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sf-asc-7-156.dialup.slip.net (sf-asc-7-156.dialup.slip.net [206.14.14.156]) by host.domain.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA12987; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32344062.3DA4@hunab-ku.com> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:05:54 -0700 From: Jonas Judd Reply-To: jonas@hnab-ku.com Organization: Hunab Ku X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Austin Woffington CC: SFRaves@hyperreal.com Subject: Mix Tape SNAFU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey Austin, Just spoke with Theron K. the other day. He wanted me to publicly apologize for you not getting your tape. Seems he lost his account and and didn't have any hard copies of your address. So send me your address, and I'll get the info to him so he can send you his new tape, which is MUCH better than his last one. It's 60 min in length, with all the tracks coming from Hunab Ku. Nice to hear some smooth clean psychedelic trance that is actually MIXED! BSP: Theron's selling his new tape for $7. Anyone wanting a copy, you can mail him at: Theron K. 2000 Broadway #1004 SF, CA 94115 Again, apologies for the confusion, Austin. later... Jonas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 09:07:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA12154; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA12148; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA04531; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:05:27 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA20098; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:04:23 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: ausman@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: Acme and Beautiful People Date: 09 Sep 1996 16:43:48 GMT Message-Id: <2438524894.152958371@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk James Ausman,ausman@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU,Internet writes: Yeah, why is it that some of my best rave experiences always happen in that sweaty, dangerous hole? Perhaps overcoming our environment together brings out the best in us. Perhaps there is a psychedlic residue left in the place, due to so many good parties. Perhaps I am just a freak ;-) ----Heh, heh perhaps there's just no other place to throw a large "bust-free" party without permits.... -Spins, Adam ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 10:26:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA23356; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ngcgate.ngc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA23348; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NGC.COM by ngcgate.ngc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0v0A5s-000QitC; Mon, 9 Sep 96 10:25 PDT Received: from smtplink.NGC.Com by NGC.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Paul-NetGen-vegas-950920) id AA04491; Mon, 9 Sep 96 10:27:38 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by smtplink.NGC.Com id AA842289987; Mon, 09 Sep 96 10:21:19 PST Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 10:21:19 PST From: "Renzo Saunders" Encoding: 5 Text Message-Id: <9608098422.AA842289987@smtplink.NGC.Com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: test post. Please reply! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Helloooooo! Is anybody in SFRaves receiving my posts? Someone please reply! renzo@ngc.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 10:43:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA25437; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ngcgate.ngc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA25354; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NGC.COM by ngcgate.ngc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0uz6UF-000Qj2C; Fri, 6 Sep 96 12:22 PDT Received: from smtplink.NGC.Com by NGC.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Paul-NetGen-vegas-950920) id AA03631; Fri, 6 Sep 96 12:24:24 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by smtplink.NGC.Com id AA842037796; Fri, 06 Sep 96 12:21:20 PST Date: Fri, 06 Sep 96 12:21:20 PST From: "Renzo Saunders" Encoding: 1 Text Message-Id: <9608068420.AA842037796@smtplink.NGC.Com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Helloooo SFRaves. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Testing, testing, 1 2 3. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 10:53:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA26272; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.mgl.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id KAA26260; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.246.132.152] (tsunami9.mgl.ca [199.246.132.152]) by lightning.mgl.ca (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA07004; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:03:40 -0400 X-Sender: ecto@mgl.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:57:21 -0400 To: Civicgirl1@aol.com From: ecto@souliton.com (brad finlay) Subject: Re: i heard that..... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:43 PM 9/8/96, Civicgirl1@aol.com wrote: >i heard that the raVes now are kinda shady. my friend's friends went to a >rave and took some *E*....well, i heard about not buying stuff from the raves >becuz you don't know what the hell is in it. they took it, and there was >heroin and some other shit in it that got them so fucked up they couldn't >come down from it for a looong time. they said they felt like they're were >dying. =( me and my friend were concerned about this and we're gonna keep >cool with the rave scene for awhile.... i don't think we're gonna even go to >*Harmony* now that my friend heard about this.... =( i was looking forward to >it too. >oh wells. well, this isn't gonna stop me from going raving and i'm not >blaming anyone about it becuz they took it on their own will. all we can do >is be more cautious and watch out for what's out there....ya dig? =P well, >juz wanted to tell ya'll. >* be safe* =) bYe guys.... > >~CG1~ Hey hey :) a few things (which everyone probably knows): going to a rave and doing e are two separate things. The two definitely affect each other, but they can be mututally exclusive. I was blissfully unaware of e for my first whole year of raving (hmm is that kind of an oxymoron?). second: check out http://www.ecstasy.org for information about everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask (or were told complete BS). This site *is* put together by someone who is definitely not a "just say no" type, but i still find the info pretty balanced. Stay safe, stay happy! :) brad _________ ---------/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==-------------- -|_. ._|+ souliton studios : http://www.souliton.com/ | |_. ._| | planet ecto : http://www.souliton.com/ecto | |_| | magnetic mirror ezine : http://www.tchort.com/magnetic | ._| |_. | |_| |_| "extrapolate inwards" +|_________|- -----====\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 11:03:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA27468; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA27455; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA14772; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:03:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Melissa Wong To: Renzo Saunders cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: test post. Please reply! In-Reply-To: <9608098422.AA842289987@smtplink.NGC.Com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HAPPY MONDAY!!!! Message recieved. On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Renzo Saunders wrote: > Helloooooo! Is anybody in SFRaves receiving my posts? Someone please > reply! > > > renzo@ngc.com > ************************************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forest, go naked in the summertime that you may regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. -John Whiteside Parson ************************************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 11:09:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA28610; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bertie.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA28604; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duckman.usfca.edu (duckman.usfca.edu [138.202.32.151]) by bertie.usfca.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA01889 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:04:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:04:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199609091804.LAA01889@bertie.usfca.edu> X-Sender: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: reicja00@usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) Subject: Re: For Matt and other au naturel ravers ;) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > To all who go to parties sober (not to say every party, but most) >and get the dreaded question: My favorite one, courtesy of my friend Zak: "Are you on anything?" "Yeah. I'm high on Zak." Mr. Jake ...tired but happy from his week-long HNIA tour... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 12:07:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA03734; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.mgl.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA03728; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.246.132.152] (hurricane2.mgl.ca [199.246.132.33]) by lightning.mgl.ca (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA10818 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:17:13 -0400 X-Sender: ecto@mgl.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:10:32 -0400 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: brad finlay Subject: NRR : Advice Needed Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Good morning/evening/afternoon lovely people :) A friend of mine (not on sfraves) is currently trying to start up a small business and was wondering if any of you could help him out. He wants to start something up but doesn't have a ton of $$ for legal counsel so i told him i'd ask if there were any law students here, or if anyone knew of the policies at any Bay area Universities wherein he'd be able to get a bit of free/cheap legal counsel w/r/t starting and registering a small business. If anyone has any info, please email me privately and i'll fwd the messages to him. Thanks and have an awesome day :) brad _________ -|_. ._|+ ---------/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==-------------- | |_. ._| | souliton studios : http://www.souliton.com/ | |_| | planet ecto : http://www.souliton.com/ecto | ._| |_. | magnetic mirror ezine : http://www.tchort.com/magnetic |_| |_| "extrapolate inwards" +|_________|- -----====\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 12:15:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA04544; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA04506; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink3.berkeley.edu (uclink3.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.74]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA21687 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (stans@localhost) by uclink3.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA26910 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:11:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Stanislav Shectman To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: harmony!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i can barely wait 'till harmony! i'm really looking forward to it and meeting you all. i have but one slight problem. i haven't received my ticket yet. i mailed away for it about 2 weeks ago. does anyone know if i should be concerned or if they just haven't all been mailed out yet? peace, love, and HARMONY :) :) stan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 12:57:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA08588; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA08577; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:56:59 -0700 (PDT) From: branka@sirius.com Received: from [205.134.228.63] (ppp063-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.63]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id MAA07841 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:55:04 -0700 X-Sender: branka@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:56:14 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Harmony tix??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I was wondering if there are still any Harmony tickets available and how many are left? I would love to go, but migt have to work this weekend (probably won't know till later in the week). If anybody has any info please let me know. Love, *B* P.S. wasn't Sunset great yesterday? maybe it was John Carrol, great weather, even greater people, BM pictures etc... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 12:57:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA08655; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA08649; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA08351; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:57:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:57:41 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609091957.MAA08351@netcom17.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: MAD tonite? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is anyone going to MAD tonite? Sunset was just too short (car troubles and terrible traffic delayed my arrival) and left me wanting more ;) So does anyone know who will be spinning tonight? Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 13:13:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA10499; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA10489; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.97.35.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:21:24 -0700 X-Sender: ambient@netcom13.netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:14:13 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Joe Rice Subject: mad (bsp) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Mad tonight: 9/09 DJs: Jane (UK) Alex Joe Rice at Bahia Cabana - 1600 Market @ Franklin 18+ w/ID $2 before 11 $3 after 11 (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 14:27:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA20860; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ngcgate.ngc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA20855; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NGC.COM by ngcgate.ngc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0v0DrL-000Qj6C; Mon, 9 Sep 96 14:27 PDT Received: from smtplink.NGC.Com by NGC.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Paul-NetGen-vegas-950920) id AA12484; Mon, 9 Sep 96 14:28:53 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by smtplink.NGC.Com id AA842304428; Mon, 09 Sep 96 14:18:34 PST Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 14:18:34 PST From: "Renzo Saunders" Encoding: 24 Text Message-Id: <9608098423.AA842304428@smtplink.NGC.Com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR:Room for rent Redwood City. Last post! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who replied to my test messages. I've been having trouble sending and receiving mail from SFRaves but it looks like I'm o.k. now. So I'll go ahead and re-post about the room for rent and be done with bothering you all for a while. :) Sorry if this is a re-post! But could someone reply just to confirm that this got posted. Thanks! The Panda bear suite is available 10\1. Located in quiet Redwood City\San Carlos area close to 101. House has 3br\1ba, large front and back yard, fireplace, parking and two really cool roommates to share the house with. Rent is $475\month and is on a month to month basis. Looking for responsible, laid back, financially stable, static free roommate. We are both about 21, working full time, like to dance, hang out and listen to music and dance and listen to music and dance and listen to music and......basically we would like to share this beautiful house with someone who has similar interests as us. That's why were putting this on SFRaves! See ya...... Renzo S. renzo@ngc.com (415)473-2898 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 14:57:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA23551; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA23544; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05706; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.251] (lr8e1-port7.zocalo.net [157.22.1.249]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15248; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:57:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:57:29 -0700 To: branka@sirius.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wayne Correia Subject: Re: Harmony tix??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:56 PM -0800 9/9/96, branka@sirius.com wrote: > I was wondering if there are still any Harmony tickets available >and how many are left? I would love to go, but migt have to work this >weekend (probably won't know till later in the week). If anybody has any >info please let me know. > >Love, >*B* > >P.S. wasn't Sunset great yesterday? maybe it was John Carrol, great >weather, even greater people, BM pictures etc... I still have a couple dozen Harmony tickets... If any of you are in SF area (SF, Marin, East Bay) please make arrangements to come by and pick yours up from me. I'm sure Greg would rather me give him the $$$ back rather than a bunch of unsold tickets, anyway... :-) You may reach me by calling the phone number below: ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia +1.415.826.6000 FAX +1.415.826.6100 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 15:08:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA25469; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA25451; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: tina@salinas.net Received: from [205.179.129.131] (mcknew.salinas.net [205.179.129.131]) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23986 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:21:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:21:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Acme and Beautiful People Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Adam Guevara once said... >----Heh, heh perhaps there's just no other place to throw a large >"bust-free" party without permits.... One of the best parties i've ever been to was a Friends and Family at the ACME, and was busted at about 2:30am. tina From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 15:44:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id PAA28318; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id PAA28308; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA02551; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:49:01 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609091549.ZM2549@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:49:01 -0700 MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: dat-heads@fedney.near.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com, noise@organic.com, cc@cyborganic.net, markhugh@aol.com, sjlerner@netcom.com, dvb@apple.com, jessica@cyborganic.net, elsea@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: FOR SALE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk MACKIE 1604 MIXER 16 input, 4 output line and mic mixer 5 rack spaces 6 aux sends, return to stereo 3 band eq expandable versatile major workhorse of a mixer includes rotopod - less than one year old - with original packaging and manuals - less than 50 hours of operation - always transported and operated in full rack sadly, i have outgrown this mixer. it is, however, in perfect condition. the asking price is $600/obo. -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 16:03:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA00292; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA00285; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.179.129.2] ([205.179.129.2]) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA24267 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:17:29 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:18:43 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: drenalin@salinas.net (Scott Nelson) Subject: Re: The After-Buzz on Megga-Buzz Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >5. One of thing that we like to do with all our parties is to give >back to the comunity with each event. Our event was a partial benefit >and a portion of the procedes was to be donated to the bay area >homeless alience. We were able to raise $1000 for this organization. >Our intention was to donate the funds and recieve some positive press >for the rave comunity at the same time. I know that a thousand dollard >does not seem like a lot compared to how much money everyone ASUMES we >made at this party, but trust me, it is quite a bit. We would have >been able to donate more, but a lot more people wound up going to BM, >and leaving town, than we expected, so there realy was not any >astronomical profit made at the party like people want to think. 7000 people x $18 a piece = $126,000 Wow a $125,000 budget thats quite a bit! Some of us can multiply you know. If your numbers of attendance are true looks like you might try to budget a little better next time. >Anyways, as I was saying, the whole idea of giving back to the comunity >was one of the reasons we wanted to do the party. >When I heard what happened at BM to a fellow raver, Omar, A member of >our comunity, we figured that there was no beter, or more deserving >cause to donate the money to, so instead of giving the $1000 to the >homeless alience, we gave Omars Mom $500, and to the Homeless Alience >the other $500. We wish we only had more to give, but hopefully the >next party we will be able to generate twice that amount for the >homless alience. We send all our love and support to Omar and his >family during this hard time, and extend any posible help if there is >to be a benefit party for him. love drenalin ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Nelson - SalinasNet admin@salinas.net http://www.salinas.net (408) 759-2875 pager (800) 974-5211 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 16:36:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA03131; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sundance.sjsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id QAA03122; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ionx-1 (isc-ts2-84.SJSU.EDU [130.65.25.84]) by sundance.sjsu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA21775 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:36:12 -0700 Message-ID: <32357D1D.763B@sundance.sjsu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:37:17 -0700 From: benedict pereira Organization: r e g e n e r a t i o n X X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Beautiful People Late Review Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings everybody! Beautiful People was exactly that. A warehouse full of beautiful people. All the people I met there, including some people that i haven't seen in months, were glowing with positivity and goood vibes. The air was thick with energy ( not to mention other stuff... all good though!) I was especially thankful for the huge fans right in front of the speakers. Dancing in front of the breeze took me on an aural / sensory journey to a luscious tropical island. Those of you who have seen the flyers for Fantasy Island will know what I am talking about. I had a hard time deciding whether to continue dancing or to chill out and hang out with all the super friendly people in the chill out room. Luckily I was able to spend quality time in both rooms. Good visuals, especially on the screen behind the D.J. Excellent set by Moonpup (I think it was Moonpup anyway) There were so many moments throughout the night when one person in either the chill out room or the steps or elsewhere would say something that seemed to echo the thoughts of everybody else in that vicinity. Confirms my telepathic beleiefs. Greetings to all the people we met (we are Dhiren, Ben, Mike, and Eric). These are the only names that I can remember (excuse my memory , the rest of you) : Demi (Debbie?), Rachel from Seattle, John K, Jesse, Marja, Anita, Andy (the man tuned to the right frequency for that special radio station in the air!!!!). Also hi to all the fellow Burning Man veterans I met there. It was fun trading stories about BM. Well thank you all for making our experience heavenly! Hope to see you on Saturday at Harmony if we can still get tickets. If anyone has any info about the ticket availability scenario in the south bay, we would appreciate a message. Thank you all. Until next time PLUR Dhiren and Ben From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 16:52:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id QAA04599; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id QAA04590; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10628 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01260 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:49:10 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:55:13 -0800 To: drenalin@salinas.net (Scott Nelson) From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: Mega-Budget Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >7000 people x $18 a piece = $126,000 > >Wow a $125,000 budget thats quite a bit! Some of us can multiply you know. >If your numbers of attendance are true looks like you might try to budget >a little better next time. > "Budget" probably includes pay checks for employees and crew, no? $1000 left over for donation? Or did I miss something? (I signed on a bit late to-day.) b))mernang Peter Sandifer Customer Service =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Niles & Associates, Inc. 800 Jones Street voice:1 (510) 559-8592 Berkeley, CA 94710 fax:1 (510) 559-8683 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mac Technical Support mac-support@niles.com PC Technical Support pc-support@niles.com General Information info@niles.com Product Registration register@niles.com FTP site ftp.niles.com World Wide Web http://www.niles.com "Serving more than 100,000 users worldwide." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 17:31:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA08067; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA08060; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca34-05.ix.netcom.com [204.31.236.101]) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA19959 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:30:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:30:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199609100030.RAA19959@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Harmony tix (info) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Harmony tix are still availible at Housewares and Solid Grooves. If the stores don't have any today, there will be more on the way tomorrow!! We have plenty left, so don't worry, but you might want to get them fast so you don't get dissapointed!! (You don't want to miss this one!!!!) Peace, Greg :) Also, please don't mail in your money any more. The cut off date has arrived. And to those of you who mailed in your money but did not receive your tix, the are coming so hold tight. We fell a little behind because I had to go to Reno last week. :( But I am back and getting things on the ball again, so the will be there!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 17:35:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA08525; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id RAA08516; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from well.com (mh2o@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id RAA27527; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Maureen Garrett Subject: Re: NRR: Re: NRR:Deserts To: crusty cc: SFRaves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Diane Feinstein is the antichrist. Her and the Sierra Club are elitists who > would rather let you view nature (the desert in this case) from pictures > they've taken from their limos on the way to their next re-election > fundraiser/eco-wackery campaign. > > Don't get me wrong. I love nature. But I want to see it with my eyes, not > theirs. > > Short of clear-cutting, nature is fairly indestructable, and it is nothing > short of egotistical to think that, in the case of the desert, a small > number of people driving their cars over it will ruin it forever. > > And in the case of the Playa, *nothing* lives there. *nothing*. > ***You are so wrong. There are numerous insects which live beneath the cracks of the playa, brighly colored red and blue jumping spiders (little shits love to bite), moths, and other small insects.. It is possible that the insect population lives beneath the playa in areas where water is more pervasive...My camp was visited by numerous dragon flies, bumble bees, and other insects as well.... so much for your *nothing* --Maureen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 17:45:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA09492; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA09484; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id RAA21371; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:45:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:45:31 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609100045.RAA21371@netcom18.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: (peter@niles.com) Subject: Re: Mega-Budget Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:55:13 -0800 > From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com > Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com > Precedence: bulk > > > >7000 people x $18 a piece = $126,000 > > > >Wow a $125,000 budget thats quite a bit! Some of us can multiply you know. > >If your numbers of attendance are true looks like you might try to budget > >a little better next time. > > > > > "Budget" probably includes pay checks for employees and crew, no? > $1000 left over for donation? > Or did I miss something? (I signed on a bit late to-day.) > > b))mernang > Should have been no paychecks, if there were. If this were a benefit, then everyone should have worked for free (that may not have been the intent of the party, though). $125,000 is a lot of money. I don't see what they could have possibly spent all of that on, and I feel that there could have been much more proceeds given to charity (every little bit helps, of course). I always thought that "proceeds" meant all profits, not profits left over after everyone gets their cut. Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 17:49:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA09876; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA09859; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca34-05.ix.netcom.com [204.31.236.101]) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA29231 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:49:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:49:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199609100049.RAA29231@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Beautiful People and Omar (thanks) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Well, we can't thank you enough for making this last BP a great one!! We apologize for using ACME, but once again, I had to go to Reno at the last minute and did not have a chance to get the original space all lined up. But I thank my wonderful roomee, Matt, for at least hooking up the ACME. It totally worked for what we wanted this party to be, so we are all happy with it. There were a few things at BP that just really hit me hard. First, of course, Omar. It was very different throwing a party and not having him there helping us set up. I felt a deep hole in the production. Many times during the set up, I just could not control myself and my emotions. I would find myself in a corner of the ACME (eeuuww gross!!) just in the most intense depressions. It really sucked!!! But everything ended up fine in the end, but there was just something really strong not there. As the night wore on I began to feel more comfortable with the situation. I felt like Omar could feel our energy, and was with us in spirit. It was very moving, and extremely positive. I just new that there was something good going on!!! With all of the dreams about Omar that our family has been having, we know that he will be ok. With all of the positive energy that all of us are creating, we know that he will be ok. And I thank every single one of you for your support, love, prayers, and energy. You guys are the best!!!! Last Friday, we got a lot of donations towards Omar. His mother is really happy to know that all of Omar's "raver" friends are really understanding and helping with this situation. It really makes her feel good. But anyways a BBBIIIIGGGG thank yu to everyone who donated their $ as well as their energy to Omar!!! And regarding his condition: His brain swelling has gone down, which is fabulous!!! 3/4 of his body reacts to pain, which is a big step up from 1/2!!!! I think he is pulling out of this! As soon as I find out anymore info, I will post it to the list. Stay tooned!! Peace, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 17:50:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id RAA09951; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id RAA09946; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id RAA21775; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:50:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:50:10 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609100050.RAA21775@netcom18.netcom.com> To: mh2o@well.com CC: wayne@club.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: (message from Maureen Garrett on Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:35:22 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: NRR: Re: NRR:Deserts Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:35:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Maureen Garrett > > > > And in the case of the Playa, *nothing* lives there. *nothing*. > > > ***You are so wrong. There are numerous insects which live beneath the > cracks of the playa, brighly colored red and blue jumping spiders (little > shits love to bite), moths, and other small insects.. It is possible > that the insect population lives beneath the playa in areas where water > is more pervasive...My camp was visited by numerous dragon flies, bumble > bees, and other insects as well.... so much for your *nothing* > --Maureen > > I think Wayne meant nothing furry or leafy lives there. There's not enough life on the playa to really consider it inhabited. Although I did find a single plant growing out of the ground on the way to the rave camp. Bizarre. Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 18:22:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA13466; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA13452; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post-awful.apple.com (post-awful.apple.com [17.255.0.17]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20364 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:21:03 -0700 Received: from [17.202.40.154] (hahnbr.apple.com [17.202.40.154]) by post-awful.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA60356 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:24:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199609100124.SAA60356@post-awful.apple.com> Subject: Re: Mega-Budget Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 18:18:47 -0000 From: Anarch To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Steve Simitzis, simitzis@netcom.com wrote: >> >7000 people x $18 a piece = $126,000 >> > >> >Wow a $125,000 budget thats quite a bit! Some of us can multiply you know. >> >If your numbers of attendance are true looks like you might try to budget >> >a little better next time. >> >> "Budget" probably includes pay checks for employees and crew, no? >> $1000 left over for donation? >> Or did I miss something? (I signed on a bit late to-day.) >> >> b))mernang > >Should have been no paychecks, if there were. If this were a benefit, >then everyone should have worked for free (that may not have been the >intent of the party, though). It wasn't a benefit. The goal was to donate "a portion of the proceeds," as they say, to charity. They chose to donate $1000, and further chose to split that 50-50 between the initial choice of charity and the Omar fund. That, at any rate, is what the message said. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 18:29:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA14074; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA14064; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.9) id SAA01748; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609100129.SAA01748@guilder.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: ez056875@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Matt Wietzke\DJ Xpress" Subject: Re: The After-Buzz on Megga-Buzz Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >5. One of thing that we like to do with all our parties is to give >back to the comunity with each event. Our event was a partial benefit >and a portion of the procedes was to be donated to the bay area >homeless alience. We were able to raise $1000 for this organization. >Our intention was to donate the funds and recieve some positive press >for the rave comunity at the same time. I know that a thousand dollard >does not seem like a lot compared to how much money everyone ASUMES we >made at this party, but trust me, it is quite a bit. We would have >been able to donate more, but a lot more people wound up going to BM, >and leaving town, than we expected, so there realy was not any >astronomical profit made at the party like people want to think. 7000 people x $18 a piece = $126,000 Wow a $125,000 budget thats quite a bit! Some of us can multiply you know. If your numbers of attendance are true looks like you might try to budget a little better next time. >Anyways, as I was saying, the whole idea of giving back to the comunity >was one of the reasons we wanted to do the party. >When I heard what happened at BM to a fellow raver, Omar, A member of >our comunity, we figured that there was no beter, or more deserving >cause to donate the money to, so instead of giving the $1000 to the >homeless alience, we gave Omars Mom $500, and to the Homeless Alience >the other $500. We wish we only had more to give, but hopefully the >next party we will be able to generate twice that amount for the >homless alience. We send all our love and support to Omar and his >family during this hard time, and extend any posible help if there is >to be a benefit party for him. love drenalin ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Nelson - SalinasNet admin@salinas.net http://www.salinas.net (408) 759-2875 pager (800) 974-5211 ------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Matthew S. Wietzke University of California, Davis _________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 19:23:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA18597; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 19:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maelstrom.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id TAA18588; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 19:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dlb@localhost) by maelstrom.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA19793; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 19:23:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 19:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bayer X-Sender: dlb@maelstrom.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: The After-Buzz on Megga-Buzz In-Reply-To: <199609100129.SAA01748@guilder.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, someone wrote: > > >5. One of thing that we like to do with all our parties is to give > >back to the comunity with each event. Our event was a partial benefit > >and a portion of the procedes was to be donated to the bay area > >homeless alience. We were able to raise $1000 for this organization. > >Our intention was to donate the funds and recieve some positive press > >for the rave comunity at the same time. I know that a thousand dollard > >does not seem like a lot compared to how much money everyone ASUMES we > >made at this party, but trust me, it is quite a bit. We would have > >been able to donate more, but a lot more people wound up going to BM, > >and leaving town, than we expected, so there realy was not any > >astronomical profit made at the party like people want to think. > > 7000 people x $18 a piece = $126,000 > > Wow a $125,000 budget thats quite a bit! Some of us can multiply you know. > If your numbers of attendance are true looks like you might try to budget > a little better next time. Budgeting for something this big is a totally different story than budgeting for the smaller parties when someone owns a rig, a piece of land can be rented or used for little or no money, and most importantly, there are no cops to pay for (I remember the quote for one of Martin's parties being something like $8000, that 2/3 of the budget right there). While I do not mean to defend "Feel Good Entertainment" as I am sure they can do that themselves if they cared to or felt they needed to, I think that many of us forget that big productions cost big bucks because, for the most part, they have to be done by the book to a larger extent which means permits, security, insurance, blah blah blah... On top of which, you have high cost djs which charge up to $1000 for a set (although I don't know if any of them were around), light techs who want money, sound companies which charge quite a bit of money to send a sound guy to watch levels all night and do setup and teardown - things smaller parties put on by a group of people who own all that stuff do not have to pay for... So, the producers probably made a couple grand for themselves which if that's your sole income, is just bearly going to pay rent and food for the next three months while you scramble to get the next party together... So, to some its a way of paying the bills. To others, its just what we do... Hell, if someone wanted to support me for throwing the type of parties I help out with, I would probably dump my job and put on free outdoor ambient into a wee bit of house into Christen Vogel/Niel Lanstromesque techno into gabber into trance into dub into ambient parties for anyone who wanted to come out and dance about with me... Any volunteers ;) dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 20:16:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA23002; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id UAA22995; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natasha.coolware.com (mg131-079.ricochet.net [204.179.131.79]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA26134 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:16:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0b15.32.19960909201552.00694f84@best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b15 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 20:15:56 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: i'm going to mad tonight! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i'm going to mad tonight! so, look for me. i'll be wearing pretty non-descript clothing, but i'll be boogying all over the dance floor! i'll probably be carrying around a big black book that i get everyone to write cool stuff in. so, if you see me, come and give me a hug, and write in my book! love- matt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 20:28:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA24107; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA24101; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA19858; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 19:57:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.sfsu.edu: star owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 19:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: James Ausman cc: "Niels P. Mayer" , jlawrenc@cisco.com, San FranDisco Ravers List Subject: NRR: Clinton's record on freedom of sexual orientation In-Reply-To: <199609081813.LAA02816@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, I agree with James and Niels that Clinton does not deserve the votes of gays and their allies, not by a long shot. People are always dismissive of gays who vote Republican as being in serious denial, but one can make the same case of any non-heterosexual person planning to vote for Clinton. Bill Clinton's record on gay issues includes: -signing into law the ban on queers in the military. -refusing to sign a Friend of the Court brief to oppose anti-gay Amendment 2 from Colorado before the Supreme Court. -opposes equal treatment for same-sex marriages. -signing into law sex-phobic, homophobic, and AIDS-phobic censorship of the Internet in spite of the promise he made during his oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution. -diverting AIDS research funds away from finding a cure and towards efforts to help Glaxo-Welcome Company market AZT, a drug considered by many to do more harm than good. -signing legislation which will throw HIV-positive people out of the military if it is enforced. -keeping HIV-positive Haitians in concentration camps until the ACLU forced him to abandon that policy. -refusing to attend the 1993 March on Washington either in person or by video. All he did was send what the Los Angeles Times accurately described as a "tepid" letter of support. -scheduling a "historic" meeting with gay and lesbian leaders for a time when he knew he was going to be out of town. -firing Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders in part for her perfectly rational comments about AIDS prevention on World AIDS Day and for her pro-queer, pro-safer sex views. -surrounding himself with homophobes, as illustrated by the incident when a member of the White House staff would not touch a person with AIDS before putting on a glove. While it is true that Clinton is probably the most gay-friendly President in this country's history, that is not the standard by which he should be judged. Considering how much more accepted and open homosexuals are now than in the past, and that this trend has had a significant impact on our national discourse even during the past four years, anything less from the President would be shocking. If both established political parties insist on maintaining anti-gay policies and elevating anti-gay politicians, then gays and their supporters should do the right thing and vote for third party candidates. The Libertarian Party has a platform that treats gays as full and equal citizens, and is not afraid to take unpopular positions on their behalf, such as unequivocal support of gay marriage rights. The above information on Clinton's record was taken from the newsletter of Libertarians For Gay And Lesbian Concerns (#31, Summer 1996). My computer tells me that on Sun, 8 Sep 1996, James Ausman shared (in part): > For all Slick Willie's (the whitehouse Willie) shortcomings, he has > been the most gay friendly president we have ever had. He has changed > an ancient and dishonorable military policy to fit more in line with > general societal morality ("don't ask, don't tell" is about where my > parents are on the whole thing). He has appointed openly gay and > lesbian people to posistions of high power in his administration. > He has supported increased funding for AIDS treatment and research. > So, while he _has_ lied, backpeddled, and generally sold down the > river gays and lesbians when political considerations made it > neccesary, he has been far from an ogre. I would give him a C- > personally. If he wasn't such a lying scumbag about it, I might > even bump him up to a C+. A low passing grade on the subject of > civil rights for lesbians and gays is the highest grade any president > ever has recieved, in my book. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 20:41:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id UAA25174; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id UAA25165; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heald.edu by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: illuminati.heald.edu [205.166.158.67]) id QQbgmw00199; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp98.hayward.heald.edu by heald.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14357; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:46:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:46:41 -0700 Message-Id: <9609100346.AA14357@heald.edu> X-Sender: mxman@illuminati.heald.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) From: Aryck Subject: Re: Acme Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 07:26 PM 9/6/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Ok, I asked someone a while ago for their impression of Acme and the >response I got was something like "sweaty hellhole". Anyone else got any >definite impressions they'd like to share? > >Debating, > >S > > > Acme wherehouse??? I think i was there before. I remeber it being sooooooooooo sweaty that you'd slip on the floor when you walked. If you sat down, whatever touched the floor would be stained dark brown, and the bathrooms were the nastiest steam room I've ever seen. I started to walk into the bathrooms, and it was sooo hard to breathe the XXX humid air that I had to leave. And it stinks sometimes. Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 21:06:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA27434; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA27428; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Maxine.lewiston.com (ppp152.lewiston.com [204.227.174.152]) by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA00615; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:09:02 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:09:02 GMT Message-Id: <199609100409.EAA00615@mail-gw.fsr.net> X-Sender: tuskluv@mail.lewiston.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Brenda Brewer From: Wowser Subject: Re: House Music and Planetary Healing (fwd) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk (Private note) Excellent post Brenda! Thanks so much for expressing this here. Together with Love, we can overcome obsticles which have kept Humanity imprissoned wrongly for so very long. As a true family, we could very easily seek to leave old, selfish and negative ways far behind and let us each venture forward and upward and outward. Seperate, but also as One. Honestly. Share Love and shine! Troy J. --------------------------------------------- At 10:59 PM 9/6/96 -0700, you wrote: >i hope this gets to you guys this time! :) > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:44:14 -0700 (PDT) >From: AHAU Collective >To: nw-raves@hyperreal.com >Subject: House Music and Planetary Healing > > House Music and Planetary Healing > > When used with positive intention, Group Energy has the potential >to help restore the Plan of Love on Earth. If you have been exploring >House parties, or have found a home in them, you will, of course, be aware >of the intoxicating Energy levels reached sometimes, both personally and >collectively. It is possible to understand better the Energy we tap into >and take it a step further. There are many preliminary ingredients to >becoming spiritually aware, and even more to be able to focus and channel >Energy. Those aspects can be discussed at another time. For now, this is >what can be done for that moment: OPEN YOUR HEART!!! > When you open your heart, and trust the whole group you dance >with; when you feel love with everyone, and they return it, a higher >vibration can be reached. This happens when when a crowd is deep into the >vibe of House...What we have here, when the crowd is open is the ability >to access some extremely beneficial Energies, and focus them instead of >losing them. Down through the ages this knowledge has been available to >the few who have been able to recognize it; it seems the House Nation has >tapped in. > In the true use of rhythmic movement, the effect is to align the >physical, mental, and emotional bodies with the Oneness of All that Is. >And this lining up, when coupled with intense aspirations of love and high >desire,..."results in a download of Force from above. This causes a >vivification of the (three bodies) and definite illumination. When an >entire concourse of people is thus animated by a single high desire, when >their aurus blend and form one united channel for for the downflow, the >effect is tremendously intensified and can be WORLD WIDE IN ITS RADIUS. " >(Alice Bailey, 1919). > Help push the consciousness another level into Enlightenment. >It's up to each of us at the party (rave) to make it happen. Don't put >out negative energy and feelings. Leave the old ways behind. Throw >yourselves into the winds of transformation and sow the seeds for a new >world - one where the human family is together again. When people respect >and care for each other as a community organism. It's up to us to spread >the vibe. > Spread the Peace! > You do make a difference! > >Author Unknown > > ooo > _____ > _____ ahau@ahau.com http://www.ahau.com/~ahau (503)237-AHAU > /---\ oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo >/|o|o|\ AHAU * 333 SW Park Ave Suite 200 * Portland,OR * 97205 >\| | |/ > |_O_| ~Tribe of the Solar Mind~ > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 21:22:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA28731; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA28716; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Maxine.lewiston.com (ppp152.lewiston.com [204.227.174.152]) by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA01864 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:24:51 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:24:51 GMT Message-Id: <199609100424.EAA01864@mail-gw.fsr.net> X-Sender: tuskluv@mail.lewiston.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wowser Subject: Interesting Thought Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I had an interesting thought about the subject of greed. Who is greedy in the following? The person who has made $1 million and donates $1 thousand to charity, or the person who has not made $1 million, but demands that the person who did make it donates far more than only $1 thousand? Just a passing thought... Troy J. ----------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 21:27:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA29113; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA29105; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linda.teleport.com (shakti@linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17192; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shakti@localhost) by linda.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA06466; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:27:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brewer To: Wowser cc: frisco groovers Subject: Re: House Music and Planetary Healing (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199609100409.EAA00615@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk thanks brother! :) be watching for my future posts with a different username "chicchan". after being nicknamed, shakti, for three years after my "guru" Shakti Gawain i have found my true galactic name, thanks to my brother and sister in AHAU, Rick and Deborah. Chicchan Lahuna! My Galactic Siganture = Red Planetary Serpent Tribe and Tone = Chicchan 10 (lahuna) peace out! __ __ __ __ / \ / \ / \ / \ ****** Chicchan Lahuna ****** __________/ __\/ __\/ _\/ __\________________________________ _________/ /__/ /__/ /__/______________________________________ | / \ / \ / \ / \ \____ |/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \ o \ \_____/--< AHAU Collective (503) 237-AHAU From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 21:30:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA29359; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id VAA29349; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Maxine.lewiston.com (ppp152.lewiston.com [204.227.174.152]) by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA02660 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:33:11 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:33:11 GMT Message-Id: <199609100433.EAA02660@mail-gw.fsr.net> X-Sender: tuskluv@mail.lewiston.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wowser Subject: Whoops! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I accidently sent a private note "cc: sfraves". It was about Planetary Healing and Music and 'the vibe'. I meant to send it only to Brenda. Sorry, B. I don't know if anyone else would even be really interested. In any event, anyone who wishes to read it is more than welcome. Take care all, Troy J. ----------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 21:31:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA29482; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from goonsquad.spies.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA29475; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:31:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1996-Aug-2) Message-Id: From: sho@goonsquad.spies.com (Sho Kuwamoto) Subject: Re: Acme To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Aryck wrote: > > Acme wherehouse??? I think i was there before. I remeber it being > sooooooooooo sweaty that you'd slip on the floor when you walked. If you sat > down, whatever touched the floor would be stained dark brown, and the > bathrooms were the nastiest steam room I've ever seen. I started to walk > into the bathrooms, and it was sooo hard to breathe the XXX humid air that I > had to leave. Wow! Sounds like some of my favorite Detroit parties... :) -Sho From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 21:40:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA00168; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA00157; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA24849; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:40:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:40:31 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609100440.VAA24849@netcom6.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: the buzz on Mega-Buzz Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've been thinking about this Mega-Buzz party a little bit lately, and I wanted to share some thoughts I've had about it. Being anti-massive (some of my worst nights have been spent suffering with mean people and paying far too much for water and admission), my first thought was to immediately jump in and dog the whole idea of Mega-Buzz one. I really didn't care for the flyers and the huge amount of promotion (huge by underground standards). I even received a flyer randomly in the mail (???). But while, true, they are commercial and perhaps appealing to some sort of trendiness, they do expose people to the rave scene. And for a lot of folks, it's just a novelty, and they'll probably never go back. Or maybe they will, but maybe just to other massives. In any event, I think we (and myself included) are always so worried about perserving the "underground"ness of this culture that we feel that events like Mega-Buzz are invasive, and perhaps even a mockery of what we feel raving is all about. But then, some people probably got exposed to something they never experienced before: the pounding of techno, the pounding of the dance floor, and the pounding of their hearts as they raved until daybreak. Maybe some joined SFRaves after MB1. Maybe some of those will discover some of the smaller parties that many of us love so much. Maybe a few of those will stick with it because they too love it so much. And maybe some of those people would become a welcome new part of the family (or one of the families). So maybe it's like a the trickle-down theory; a little bit of raver Reaganomics. Also, I did feel a little funny about how much was donated to charity vs. how much was raked in at the door. But someone did post about how much has to be spent for large, fully permitted party. And I guess I can see it. It's probably of the same order of magnitude as a large concert at the shoreline or something. If the promoters did make a few bucks out of it, I guess it's not so bad, considering how much time and energy had to be invested in such a huge event. hmmm... I'm still on the fence. Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 21:54:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA01104; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA01097; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA25680; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:54:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:54:26 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609100454.VAA25680@netcom6.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Acme Solutions Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay, the Acme may be a groovy (and apparently cheap) space, but the ventilation is just piss-poor. So instead of going through hell whenever a party is thrown there, why not do something about it? I for one had a wonderful time at both BP :) and Hallucination a couple of weeks back, except for the fact that it was just too damn hot and sweaty to dance (almost passed out at Hallucination). So does anyone know anything about ventilation, or does anyone have any extra fans to contribute to any future parties there? I for one would be willing to donate some fans and some time to set up adequate ventilation. Or are the number of fans limited by power consumption or any added sound system noise? Just wondering why we can't make the conditions better there. "Acme Solutions"... didn't realize it, but it sounds like a Silcon Valley startup. Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 22:25:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA03712; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA03695; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA24235; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:25:25 -0700 (PDT) To: Wowser cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Interesting Thought In-Reply-To: <199609100424.EAA01864@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Wowser wrote: > I had an interesting thought about the subject of greed. > > Who is greedy in the following? > > The person who has made $1 million and donates $1 thousand to charity, or > the person who has not made $1 million, but demands that the person who did > make it donates far more than only $1 thousand? Just a passing thought... And what of the person that makes a $1 millon dollars and makes a big deal of donating $1 thousand as if it is strain? Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 22:50:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA05359; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id WAA05350; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca37-02.ix.netcom.com [204.31.236.194]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA13079 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:50:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:50:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199609100550.WAA13079@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Hi !! :) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello!!! Just wanting to say that!!! Good night, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 22:59:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id WAA05926; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id WAA05920; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:59:12 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA25734; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:48:54 -0700 (PDT) To: Steve Simitzis cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: the buzz on Mega-Buzz In-Reply-To: <199609100440.VAA24849@netcom6.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Steve Simitzis wrote: > Also, I did feel a little funny about how much was donated to charity > vs. how much was raked in at the door. But someone did post about how > much has to be spent for large, fully permitted party. And I guess I can > see it. It's probably of the same order of magnitude as a large concert > at the shoreline or something. If the promoters did make a few bucks > out of it, I guess it's not so bad, considering how much time and > energy had to be invested in such a huge event. > > hmmm... I'm still on the fence. When my B.S. meter goes off(your mileage may vary): 1) When anyone feels the need to tell you how great their party was, without party goers doing so. 2) Talking about the "old skool" ravers(whoever they are.) 3) Promoters playing up "what they are giving back to the scene/charity" when it represents an insignificant portion of their revenue stream. Think about it for a minute. What if everyone had eschewed the party, and instead donated their money to Omar or the homeless group or whomever. Instead of $1000 dollars, they would be looking at $100,000+ dollars. That said, I like to be part of/contribute to parties that are "for something." But please if you are going to wave a flag around and feel the need to talk about what generous people you are, make sure that a *significant* portion of your profits are going to that cause. Otherwise, it sounds like cheap opportunism. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Sep 9 23:44:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id XAA08663; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id XAA08654; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (rlunatic@[206.214.106.239]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA04526; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:43:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:43:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199609100643.XAA04526@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong) Subject: Re: Review: Beautiful People To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >COOL MOMENT: Adam Luong tearing it up with his glow sticks and gettin' BUSY >with the speaker stacks... > I had nobody to dance with. =)~ -R.Lunatic From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 03:05:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id DAA25238; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id DAA25221; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA03443 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jberk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA11733 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:02:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:01:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack Chang Reply-To: Jack Chang To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BP review-my 2c Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My first Harmony party ever. First reaction is WOW! The sound system was incredible, the trance(?) mixes were still reverberating in my brain like a bolt of thunder a day after the party. The vibe was wonderful most of the time...my friend John danced almost five hours straight. Woohoo! Wit beats this tight, he was glad to shed 10 pounds during the night :) Which leds to my second reaction...anyone have an oxygen tank? ACME really needs a few more windows. The space at 150 was much more comfortable even considering the smaller size. Warning---negativity, what can improve in the future. Some things i saw downstairs really bugged. Some people cutting lines by the stairs, gangstas standing in the corners. Maybe some of you can tune it out, but I think ACME's becoming a bit too well known. Just a feeling... Hope everyone has fun this weekend, I'll be home...studying. Maybe i'll dance the marcarena on the front porch or something :) Peace, Sen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 03:05:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id DAA25239; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id DAA25222; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA13319 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jberk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA11766 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:04:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:04:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack Chang To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Sober Raving Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, matthew d. p. k. lanier wrote: > well, i made a promise to myself at beautiful people: become a sober raver. Way to go Matt! Best of luck to you. I love the natural adrenalin/endorphin high that a good party exudes. Catch hold o' dat spiritual ecstasy, the feeling that you are one and all connected through love. you'll never go back. Sen your body is the best drug From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 03:32:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id DAA27273; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id DAA27268; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA15138; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:32:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.sfsu.edu: star owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:32:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Steve Simitzis cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Mega-Budget In-Reply-To: <199609100045.RAA21371@netcom18.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, I too am on the fence. Both Wayne and Black Adder also made some good points for and against taking Feel Good Entertainment at face value. Without actual data, there's not much we can do but speculate, and that's exactly how nasty and damaging rumours get started. There is however, one way to nip them in the bud. I've said it before: Every promoter who cares about building our community and is trying to be upfront and honest can easily prove it by posting a detailed breakdown of their party's revenues and expenses to the list. Ideally this would include names of individuals, companies, and organizations and how much each received, not simply "Lighting - $200, DJs - $500," etc. It would also be interesting to know how many people got in free or at reduced cost, and their names and affiliations. The number of non-paying guests, which can be quite high, certainly factors into the bottom line of a production. The entire rave community would benefit by the open exchange of such information, and trust among its members would be advanced. If, for example, MegaBuzz1's take in fact exceeded costs by only $1000, it would be unfortunate if their reputation was damaged for lack of disclosure of this fact. And if they had to pay $20,000 in overtime extortion money to the police in order to hold the event, this is something that we all should be aware of and take into account. Other promoters in particular might be spared a lot of grief by knowing this before trying to put on a similar event. As a nation, we demand financial disclosure from our candidates for high office. It makes sense that ravers should request the same from the "leaders" of our community, those with whom we trust our money and on whose good intentions and integrity we rely when attending a party. PLURally yours, <<< Starchild >>> My computer tells me that on Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Steve Simitzis shared: > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:55:13 -0800 > > From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) > > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com > > Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com > > Precedence: bulk > > > > > > >7000 people x $18 a piece = $126,000 > > > > > >Wow a $125,000 budget thats quite a bit! Some of us can multiply you know. > > >If your numbers of attendance are true looks like you might try to budget > > >a little better next time. > > > > > > > > > "Budget" probably includes pay checks for employees and crew, no? > > $1000 left over for donation? > > Or did I miss something? (I signed on a bit late to-day.) > > > > b))mernang > > > > Should have been no paychecks, if there were. If this were a benefit, > then everyone should have worked for free (that may not have been the > intent of the party, though). > > $125,000 is a lot of money. I don't see what they could have possibly > spent all of that on, and I feel that there could have been much more > proceeds given to charity (every little bit helps, of course). I > always thought that "proceeds" meant all profits, not profits left > over after everyone gets their cut. > > Steve > > -- > Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb > | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | > | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | > | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 04:02:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id EAA01121; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id EAA01113; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id EAA17575; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:02:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:02:15 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609101102.EAA17575@netcom10.netcom.com> To: star@sfsu.edu CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: (message from Starchild on Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:32:05 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Mega-Budget Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:32:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Starchild > > > Dear Friends & Family, > [snip] > I've said it before: Every promoter who cares about building our > community and is trying to be upfront and honest can easily prove it by > posting a detailed breakdown of their party's revenues and expenses to the > list. Well, sorry, I was told: > I am not going to explain my proprietory information about the expenses and > costs and budgets with you, but I will tell you that what we decided on > donating was very genourous to what we actualy made after all expenses > were covered. from Feel Good Entertainment. So what do you think? Is this something that we have a right to know, or do think they have a right to keep it confidential? Obviously, there were some questions regarding the authenticity of the event, and it would be nice to know some facts instead of spreading nasty rumors. oh well; enough ranting, back to raving. sleepy, Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 04:16:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id EAA01859; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpbio1.Biologie.HU-Berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id EAA01846; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hpbio1.Biologie.HU-Berlin.de (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26415; Tue, 10 Sep 96 13:26:11 +0200 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:26:10 +0200 (MESZ) From: Ulrike Laitko Subject: Re: Leslie the TV star =) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 blkadder@value.net wrote: > I have a lot of respect for Leslie and think she is a nice person to > boot. > > That said, Don't count on it. The only reason that the proliferation of > lousy daytime talk shows exist is because they thrive on controversy. > They do not exist for the edification of the populace. Rather they exist > to pander to the vouyeristic and confrontational needs of the audience > that aren't fulfilled by their pathetic, meaningless exsistance. These > people do not wish to be educated, they want to be entertained. no doubt about that. but on the other hand, these shows really are the only way to subtly trickle and drip some education into exactly those peoples half rotten brains. if they weren't so stupid people wouldn't watch them and because they watch there's a channel you can reach them through. i once saw one of these shows that had little *underage* *hiv-positive* *single* *mothers* in it and it was touching to watch how the madhouse crowd of spectators was turned into a warm, friendly audience of interested, caring people. of course this is sensationalism, but i still think it was a good piece of education about aids and against aids phobia, and i think the aim justifies the means in that case. i think you probably can't do without manipulating and tearjerking and playing with emotions if you want to get your message across and sticking in those peoples minds. i don't quite see though why the day time tv watching population needs to be educated about the rave thing now, i personally don't really care, and i think somebody who's representing the scene in that kind of tv show surrounding is very very vulnerable, especially if she's trying to convince people about the higher values of raving that go beyond 'i just like it period'. they might give her the 'my child died from ecstasy' thing and whatnot, you never know, so good luck. anyway it will be interesting to get a glimpse into the inside of these shows and i really look forward to reading about leeza snorting coke backstage and all the other neat crap. ulrike From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 04:17:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id EAA01922; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id EAA01915; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA15639; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:17:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.sfsu.edu: star owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Steve Simitzis cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Mega-Budget In-Reply-To: <199609101102.EAA17575@netcom10.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Ravefriends, My computer tells me that on Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Steve shared: > > From: Starchild > > > > > > Dear Friends & Family, > > > [snip] > > I've said it before: Every promoter who cares about building our > > community and is trying to be upfront and honest can easily prove it by > > posting a detailed breakdown of their party's revenues and expenses to the > > list. > > Well, sorry, I was told: > > > I am not going to explain my proprietory information about the expenses and > > costs and budgets with you, but I will tell you that what we decided on > > donating was very genourous to what we actualy made after all expenses > > were covered. > > from Feel Good Entertainment. So what do you think? Is this something > that we have a right to know, or do think they have a right to keep it > confidential? Obviously, there were some questions regarding the > authenticity of the event, and it would be nice to know some facts > instead of spreading nasty rumors. > > oh well; enough ranting, back to raving. Certainly they have a *right* to keep it confidential. But as columnist William Safire so rightly put it, having the right to do something does not make doing it right. Perhaps someone from Feel Good would like to comment on why they think nondisclosure in this case is a good thing? My feeling is that if a promoter refuses to talk about budget, I will retain a certain degree of skepticism, regardless of what else he or she might say. What on earth does "proprietary information" have to do with the spirit of raving anyway? Let the data flow... <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 05:29:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id FAA05989; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 05:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xtof.sct.fr by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id FAA05980; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 05:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.206.158.136] (nice0-136.sct.fr [194.206.158.136]) by xtof.sct.fr (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06176 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:20:42 +0100 X-Sender: topher@www.france-techno.fr Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:28:20 +0100 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: topher@france-techno.fr (Topher) Subject: The Best Local D.J.'s... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all ! I'm looking for the best D.J.'s in the area, just to see if everyone agrees on who's the "best" around worth being launched internationally. 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Much Much MORE... !!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 08:13:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA18007; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA17989; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA07159 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:13:20 -0700 Received: from [206.86.235.114] (lesliea.vip.best.com [206.86.235.114]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA07156 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:13:03 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:13:03 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) Subject: Re: the buzz on Mega-Buzz Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In the last days of thinking about raving to gain clarity (so I can express it succinctly and appropriately on TV) ... I had an image of raving and how many of us start raving and progress .... Imagine a spiral. On the outside edge of that spiral, the circle is the biggest and it is the easiest to see if you are approaching it. That is what massive parties are about ... they are the outer edge, the most easily accessible, the biggest outer edge of what this scene is about .. and that edge is where many people enter the spiral. Some people stop there because they are, for some reason, not meant to continue inward. Maybe they don't like the music, the atmosphere, the people. That's ok, because it's not for everyone. Many, though, continue inward on that spiral. Now you are fully inside the circle, where the circle is smaller and closer to the essence. These are the mid-sized parties, still promoted to the world at large, but drawing people who know more about the scene. At the center of that spiral is the core, the smallest of the underground parties, the groups of friends that know they belong in that circle, not because it's some exclusive secret, but simply because they belong there, and they welcome you into that circle. Now step back again and look at the whole spiral... and remember that all the points of the spiral are connected, and without any of them, the spiral would not exist. Massive parties are not for everyone, but they are a first step for many, and I'm sure many of us started on that path to the heart of raving at the outside of that spiral. I know many of you have told me that your first parties were massives, that you might not choose to go to now, but that were perfect for you at that time, because they were the first step. As far as donating proceeds from a massive.... Frankly, I have no idea what it costs to put on a big party, but I can guarantee that there's a lot of financial risk taken, and I never begrudge someone making money from doing something that makes so many people happy. I don't know about you, but I didn't give $1000 to the homeless and Omar this week. I wish I did. Was that donation proportionate to the profits? To be honest, they didn't have to give anything ... it wasn't a fundraiser event, and there were no advance promises to my knowledge. So it appears to be a gift freely given from money made by throwing a party ... a party that sounds like it was a really great experience for a lot of people, and the financial benefit was shared. Who's more generous? The millionaire who gives $1000 or the poor person who gives his last $5? The poor person is surely more generous, but in the real world, that thousand bucks from the millionaire goes a hell of a lot farther, eh? Rambling again.... Leslie XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -O- -- [8 ._. 8] . _____. . \___/ . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 08:19:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA18538; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greece.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA18525; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Default (pool016.Max3.San-Francisco.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.100.16]) by greece.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15652; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609101518.IAA15652@greece.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: cnielsen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sho@goonsquad.spies.com (Sho Kuwamoto) From: Courtney Nielsen Subject: Re: Acme Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 09:31 PM 9/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >Aryck wrote: >> >> Acme wherehouse??? I think i was there before. I remeber it being >> sooooooooooo sweaty that you'd slip on the floor when you walked. If you sat >> down, whatever touched the floor would be stained dark brown, and the >> bathrooms were the nastiest steam room I've ever seen. I started to walk >> into the bathrooms, and it was sooo hard to breathe the XXX humid air that I >> had to leave. > >Wow! Sounds like some of my favorite Detroit parties... :) > >-Sho > > > Exactly! House parties didn't start at Convention centers. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 08:37:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA20275; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id IAA20262; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id IAA08048; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:37:12 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id IAA21040; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:37:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: BP review (long) To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all! Unnhhhh! I'm still tired! BP was a lot of work and I loved every minute of it!!!! =) Jess and I get to Acme at about 3pm; seems like the rest of the crew was also just getting there. First thing is to fabricate a lighting area for me and my slides ( as I was there early I had choice of setup position). so I go up on the display refrigarator (via ladder) with the control equipment and run all light cables throughout the room. Also shift a cabinet around and hang curtains to create work/storage room for me and Jess. Watch parachute go up and encourage crew to hang it high so as not to interfere with slide projection. Most of the work done is supervised by me rather than done by me due to my bad shoulder. Watch as the crew does a tremendous job of cleaning up the shit at Acme; trash cans that are overflowing, sweeping the floor clean of metal burrs and fragments, making the chill space more homey, creating the beautiful altar to Omar. At this point I need to thank Jess; this woman is the SHIT!!!!! If not for her I never would have been able to give the kind of show that I did to all of you. Not only that but her help afterwards was beyond monumental and she has the patience of a saint. THANK YOU JESS (smack!!) The sound system was a little late in arriving but we started pretty close to on time. the music was great all night long with hilights coming from Brandon (incredible hard, progressive house!!) and Greg. I, of course, had to dance during Greg's set. While there was a spiral galaxy above and behind him, Greg looked like he was at the controls of an interplanatary communications system, tuning in some alien music. Moonpup was just spinning the wierdest collection of stuff I heard in a while! Some of it was _really_ fun. I had a lot of fun playing with all the lights and the slides!! =) I wish that I could have had some of you play with the lights also but the setup wouldn't allow for that :( The crowd was as delightful as always; hello to everyone I saw that night. What made this party really special for me was seeing all the help people were offering. It is so hard to throw a great party and the help was greatly appreciated The after party circle was very nice also. Peace all, Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 08:46:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA21102; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA21095; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14106 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from niles.com (niles.com [157.22.229.1]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29457 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.229.127] by niles.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b2d4); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:46:05 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:52:09 -0800 To: rayvonie@ix.netcom.com (Ray Vonie) From: peter@niles.com (Customer Service) Subject: Re: Mega-Budget Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Peter You wrote: > >> >>"Budget" probably includes pay checks for employees and crew, no? >>$1000 left over for donation? >>Or did I miss something? (I signed on a bit late to-day.) > >I am not sure how this got started, but there was not no frigin 126k >made at this event. The total gross was a lot, lot, lot less and 3/4 >of it went towards covering expenses. If we would have made that much >in prifit then we would have give over 50k to charity. That would have >made a beutiful headline, and mabee someday , with everyones support, >It will. > >Peace, Ray Vonie Hey, hey, hey! I was just responding to the kid who was busting your chops on overbudgeting. I don't know how much y'all spent or made, and frankly don't care. (Nor is it anyone's business, tho it does make for interesting speculation for bored people with computers :) I was just suggesting that before he slam your business smarts, that most people who take the time and energy to throw a party are (if they've done a bit of business research) are going to remember that their time and effort is worth something, and will probably include paying employees and crew as part of their budget. Catch me next time, b))merang Peter Sandifer Customer Service =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Niles & Associates, Inc. 800 Jones Street voice:1 (510) 559-8592 Berkeley, CA 94710 fax:1 (510) 559-8683 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mac Technical Support mac-support@niles.com PC Technical Support pc-support@niles.com General Information info@niles.com Product Registration register@niles.com FTP site ftp.niles.com World Wide Web http://www.niles.com "Serving more than 100,000 users worldwide." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 08:53:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id IAA21713; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id IAA21707; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id IAA08445; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:52:54 -0700 (PDT) To: Leslie Ayres cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: the buzz on Mega-Buzz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Leslie Ayres wrote: > As far as donating proceeds from a massive.... Frankly, I have no idea what > it costs to put on a big party, but I can guarantee that there's a lot of > financial risk taken, and I never begrudge someone making money from doing > something that makes so many people happy. > > I don't know about you, but I didn't give $1000 to the homeless and Omar > this week. I wish I did. Was that donation proportionate to the profits? > To be honest, they didn't have to give anything ... it wasn't a fundraiser > event, and there were no advance promises to my knowledge. So it appears > to be a gift freely given from money made by throwing a party ... a party > that sounds like it was a really great experience for a lot of people, and > the financial benefit was shared. I think the fact that they gave anything is a good thing. However, after reading a grandiose statement about how the are about "giving back to the community" I become more skeptical that this isn't just a PR move. > Who's more generous? The millionaire who gives $1000 or the poor person > who gives his last $5? The poor person is surely more generous, but in the > real world, that thousand bucks from the millionaire goes a hell of a lot > farther, eh? Keep in mind that the millionaire in this analogy is asking you to keep him a millionaire, in part because of all the good and generous things he is doing. Wouldn't you then be in your best interest to consider the amount of money you are giving vs. the amount of money that is going to the cause, whatever that cause may be? To me, 8/10 of 1% just doesn't put the millionare in the philanthropist category by default. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 09:10:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA23900; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id JAA23787; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from well.com (cubensis@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA11396; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:10:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bagby Subject: Re: the buzz on Mega-Buzz To: Leslie Ayres cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yes, long live the spiral! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 09:16:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA24505; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA24487; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA20203 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:16:43 -0700 Received: from [206.86.235.114] (lesliea.vip.best.com [206.86.235.114]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA22543 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:16:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:16:21 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lesliea@best.com (Leslie Ayres) Subject: I'm UPSET re: "Mega-Budget" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry, have to respond again on this one .... and I for one apologize to MegaBuzz One for taking shit after giving a generous and unsolicited donation to two very good causes. That sucks!!! I bet next time he'll think twice about posting anything to SFRaves. And all this stuff about "nipping nasty rumors in the bud" ???? Maybe I missed something, but I never saw any nasty rumors about this company or promoter... all I've seen is criticism AFTER THE FACT when he posted about his party. Perhaps some of the voices on here are confusing this promoter with someone else? Misinformation can be VERY damaging, and it is up to each of us to make sure we know what we're talking about when we start these threads that feed these rumors. Where is it written in the official rules and regulations of raving that anyone who wants to give a privately funded and organized party has to open their personal financial records to anyone who asks? (Maybe the same place it's written that anyone who throws big parties is an evil moneygrubber?) Now, if someone said ... "this is a benefit for ...." and charged hella money or took up a collection and we suspected that the money was going elsewhere ... that is different. And if someone charges hella money and doesn't deliver (djs don't show up, party gets busted and no refunds forthcoming, etc.), that's different too. But when a private promoter puts their money on the line and puts on a big party, and provides all the stuff he said he'd deliver to the people who chose to go, I'm not sure how someone not involved thinks it's their right to challenge that promoter to, to quote: >posting a detailed breakdown of their party's revenues and expenses to the >list. Ideally this would include names of individuals, companies, and >organizations and how much each received, not simply "Lighting - $200, DJs >- $500," etc. It would also be interesting to know how many people got in >free or at reduced cost, and their names and affiliations. The number of >non-paying guests, which can be quite high, certainly factors into the >bottom line of a production Please! that's ridiculous, you're asking someone to give proprietary information to 450 strangers who all have an opinion that's most likely based on a total lack of information on costs and logistics, and frankly very often is based on a lack of experience with big dollar business at all! And yes, that's *proprietary*... that means private ... I think we are confusing the spirit of raving with something else. Now, about sharing information with other promoters (i.e. cost for police, other negotiating points, etc) .. I wouldn't be surprised if that's done anyway, depending in the nurturance of those personal relationships, because when promoters treat each other with respect, we all win, and they know that (at least most of them). This whole thing makes me sad ... instead of seeing something very positive in a situation -- which is that a promoter of a large party is donating money from his pocket (yes, that's HIS pocket, not yours, sorry, folks) to good causes -- insteadee is being openly roasted and lambasted in a public forum. Promoters aren;t "candidates for office" ... they are people who put the work in to put on parties ... I suggest that every person who belives a promoter should disclose everything throw a big and expensive party on their own -- make sure you put $$thousands out of your own pocket first -- and then post *every* cost detail to the list. Then you too will likely be the target of criticism that it wasn't enough, you were greedy and underhanded, etc, and if you were a REAL raver it wouldn't have cost so much, etc. We've got to get over this "if it makes a profit, it can't be a rave" mentality, because it perpetuates this weird "money bad, poverty good" ethic. Hey, I wish everyone could make a living doing something that brings joy to people's lives... and if I can make it happen for me, I will! Love, Leslie p.s. my expenses for popsicles at Sunset was exactly $8.64 this week, and $6.98 for the time before that ... didn't accept a cent for them. Feel better? And the Leeza show isn't paying anything but my expenses (wish they would, my car payment is late!) XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -O- -- [8 ._. 8] . _____. . \___/ . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 09:32:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA28443; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA27850; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA22181; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:25:50 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA25845; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:17:03 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: lesliea@best.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Spirals (Was: the buzz on Mega-Buzz) Date: 10 Sep 1996 17:02:11 GMT Message-Id: <48037854.158227192@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Leslie Ayres,lesliea@best.com,Internet writes: Many, though, continue inward on that spiral. Now you are fully inside the circle, where the circle is smaller and closer to the essence. These are the mid-sized parties, still promoted to the world at large, but drawing people who know more about the scene. I tend to think that the spiral dosen't go down to one circle but branches into several circles... At times you can even see these circles. They're not more exclusive than each other but they house certian beliefs and ethics that accept thoses that match such criteria. I go to varied parties and feel that sense of belonging @ them some moreso than others. "Dance with me", --Adam ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 09:58:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id JAA02792; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id JAA02786; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 708714093 by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id JAA27989; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:59:40 -0700 Message-ID: <32359DF4.7D06@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:57:24 -0700 From: ameba Reply-To: abema@ix.netcom.com Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Anarchist Disco Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anarchist Disco: Spun, Harry Who, Big Lee, John Howard, Dani, Daniel J Friday September 20th 415.974.4322 250 people, RSVP Travel by night, tell knowone. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 10:04:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA03508; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA03492; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from martinko@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA22072; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:04:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:04:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "JMRTNKO! please stand by..." Subject: absolutely, unmistakably mad To: ezzevvravess Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk oi, mad was good last night. what did folks think of jane? i'd heard her at b-man and vowed not to miss a single set. an unmistakable series of tracks woke me up out of a pre-party nap one night (our camp was a mile away) and had me biking at top speed to wicked to try to catch the last few seconds of black dog's vir2l (thanks for playing it last night, joe). anyway, she's in town until oct 9th and is looking for places to spin. i know *someone* has a booking for her. just make sure to let me know, so i can be there... jmar! | J M R T N K O | fonstrosities and other toys by ILLGBLITY ENGNRING. | | D S G N E T C | JOHN-A MARTINKO, w. desk chief martinko@netcom.com | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 11:45:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA14386; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id LAA14360; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scv3a.apple.com (web.apple.com [17.128.100.121]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28914 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:45:24 -0700 Received: from quickmail.apple.com (in-out.eqm.apple.com [17.130.8.39]) by scv3a.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12720 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:46:41 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 10 Sep 1996 11:46:54 -0700 From: "Jason Green*" Subject: eh, like, test er somethin? To: "sfraves" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 FC1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ha! YOU opened it! you fool!!!! the oldest trick in the book! :-) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 11:52:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id LAA15145; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id LAA15138; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id LAA20213 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:52:31 -0700 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com(158.140.32.4) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma842381521.020127; Tue Sep 10 11:52:01 1996 Received: from [158.140.4.129] ([158.140.4.129]) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA15095 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:51:56 -0700 X-Sender: noah@cds9258 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:51:22 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: noah@cadence.com (Noah Ruiz) Subject: Re: I'm UPSET re: "Mega-Budget" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Right on! I agree. All I see are people putting this promoter down for something that they didn't even go to. He delivered what he said so whats the big fuss? I'm tired of hearing so many complaints. Why is everybody always analyzing shit so deeply? Come on people! Lighten -up. Promoters don't have to say how much they make or what they want to do with their profit, unless the party is specifically meant for a benefit. And I believe the promoter stated what he gave towards two good causes. Something is better than nothing. So be happy, and don't worry about the little shit. Hope everybody is having a great Tuesday. I'm off for a bike ride on my 1hr lunch. To bad I forgot my walkman! =( Goodday everyone, Noah Ruiz At 8:16 AM 9/10/96, Leslie Ayres wrote: >Sorry, have to respond again on this one .... and I for one apologize to >MegaBuzz One for taking shit after giving a generous and unsolicited >donation to two very good causes. That sucks!!! I bet next time he'll >think twice about posting anything to SFRaves. > >And all this stuff about "nipping nasty rumors in the bud" ???? Maybe I >missed something, but I never saw any nasty rumors about this company or >promoter... all I've seen is criticism AFTER THE FACT when he posted about >his party. Perhaps some of the voices on here are confusing this promoter >with someone else? Misinformation can be VERY damaging, and it is up to >each of us to make sure we know what we're talking about when we start >these threads that feed these rumors. > >Where is it written in the official rules and regulations of raving that >anyone who wants to give a privately funded and organized party has to open >their personal financial records to anyone who asks? (Maybe the same place >it's written that anyone who throws big parties is an evil moneygrubber?) > >Now, if someone said ... "this is a benefit for ...." and charged hella >money or took up a collection and we suspected that the money was going >elsewhere ... that is different. And if someone charges hella money and >doesn't deliver (djs don't show up, party gets busted and no refunds >forthcoming, etc.), that's different too. > >But when a private promoter puts their money on the line and puts on a big >party, and provides all the stuff he said he'd deliver to the people who >chose to go, I'm not sure how someone not involved thinks it's their right >to challenge that promoter to, to quote: > >>posting a detailed breakdown of their party's revenues and expenses to the >>list. Ideally this would include names of individuals, companies, and >>organizations and how much each received, not simply "Lighting - $200, DJs >>- $500," etc. It would also be interesting to know how many people got in >>free or at reduced cost, and their names and affiliations. The number of >>non-paying guests, which can be quite high, certainly factors into the >>bottom line of a production > >Please! that's ridiculous, you're asking someone to give proprietary >information to 450 strangers who all have an opinion that's most likely >based on a total lack of information on costs and logistics, and frankly >very often is based on a lack of experience with big dollar business at >all! > >And yes, that's *proprietary*... that means private ... I think we are >confusing the spirit of raving with something else. > >Now, about sharing information with other promoters (i.e. cost for police, >other negotiating points, etc) .. I wouldn't be surprised if that's done >anyway, depending in the nurturance of those personal relationships, >because when promoters treat each other with respect, we all win, and they >know that (at least most of them). > >This whole thing makes me sad ... instead of seeing something very positive >in a situation -- which is that a promoter of a large party is donating >money from his pocket (yes, that's HIS pocket, not yours, sorry, folks) to >good causes -- insteadee is being openly roasted and lambasted in a public >forum. > >Promoters aren;t "candidates for office" ... they are people who put the >work in to put on parties ... > >I suggest that every person who belives a promoter should disclose >everything throw a big and expensive party on their own -- make sure you >put $$thousands out of your own pocket first -- and then post *every* cost >detail to the list. Then you too will likely be the target of criticism >that it wasn't enough, you were greedy and underhanded, etc, and if you >were a REAL raver it wouldn't have cost so much, etc. > >We've got to get over this "if it makes a profit, it can't be a rave" >mentality, because it perpetuates this weird "money bad, poverty good" >ethic. Hey, I wish everyone could make a living doing something that >brings joy to people's lives... and if I can make it happen for me, I will! > >Love, Leslie > >p.s. my expenses for popsicles at Sunset was exactly $8.64 this week, and >$6.98 for the time before that ... didn't accept a cent for them. Feel >better? And the Leeza show isn't paying anything but my expenses (wish >they would, my car payment is late!) > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXX > XXXXXXXXXXXX > XXXXXXXXXX > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > -O- -- > [8 ._. 8] > . _____. . > \___/ > . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:00:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA15954; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA15923; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) From: steverak@juno.com Received: (from steverak@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OAA20561; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:59:47 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: test Message-ID: <19960910.115743.9894.0.SteveRak@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:59:47 EDT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk test 123 wozup happy people!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:11:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA17079; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id MAA15923; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) From: steverak@juno.com Received: (from steverak@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OAA20561; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:59:47 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: test Message-ID: <19960910.115743.9894.0.SteveRak@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:59:47 EDT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk test 123 wozup happy people!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:18:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA17752; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA17742; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA02613; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:18:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:18:38 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609101918.MAA02613@netcom17.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: mad/Jane Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Never heard Jane before, but this woman really threw down some killer tracks last night. It was a similar feeling from hearing Moonpup's set; not the same kind of music, but it was really cool to hear what was going on from the other side of the pond. She spun a wide variety of music, and it was very cool to be exposed to something other than the SF sound for a night. Steve -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:28:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA18528; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA18515; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from drenalin@localhost) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA29378; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:42:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:42:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Nelson cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: I'm UPSET re: "Mega-Budget" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Leslie Ayres wrote: > Sorry, have to respond again on this one .... and I for one apologize to > MegaBuzz One for taking shit after giving a generous and unsolicited > donation to two very good causes. That sucks!!! I bet next time he'll > think twice about posting anything to SFRaves. > > And all this stuff about "nipping nasty rumors in the bud" ???? Maybe I > missed something, but I never saw any nasty rumors about this company or > promoter... all I've seen is criticism AFTER THE FACT when he posted about > his party. Perhaps some of the voices on here are confusing this promoter > with someone else? Misinformation can be VERY damaging, and it is up to > each of us to make sure we know what we're talking about when we start > these threads that feed these rumors. > > Where is it written in the official rules and regulations of raving that > anyone who wants to give a privately funded and organized party has to open > their personal financial records to anyone who asks? (Maybe the same place > it's written that anyone who throws big parties is an evil moneygrubber?) > > Now, if someone said ... "this is a benefit for ...." and charged hella > money or took up a collection and we suspected that the money was going > elsewhere ... that is different. And if someone charges hella money and > doesn't deliver (djs don't show up, party gets busted and no refunds > forthcoming, etc.), that's different too. Exactly what I was hinting at in my first post...here are quotes from the promoter about MegaBuzz One that put my tongue in action (or my hands as the case may be)... (from the original post) "Tickets are only $18 in advance. We did everything humanly possible to make them this inexpensive. This is something we are trying to do to show people that large parties do not have to cost a fortune. This is a realy good price, because you are getting more than 3 large parties for the price of less than one. We are also donating a portion of our procedes to the Bay Area Homless Alience. Just think- your partying will help the less fortunate this winter. We encourage everybody to buy tickets and please arive early to help set the tone and the mood for the evening. " "5. One of thing that we like to do with all our parties is to give back to the comunity with each event. Our event was a partial benefit and a portion of the procedes was to be donated to the bay area homeless alience. We were able to raise $1000 for this organization. Our intention was to donate the funds and recieve some positive press for the rave comunity at the same time. I know that a thousand dollard does not seem like a lot compared to how much money everyone ASUMES we made at this party, but trust me, it is quite a bit. We would have been able to donate more, but a lot more people wound up going to BM, and leaving town, than we expected, so there realy was not any astronomical profit made at the party like people want to think. Anyways, as I was saying, the whole idea of giving back to the comunity was one of the reasons we wanted to do the party. When I heard what happened at BM to a fellow raver, Omar, A member of our comunity, we figured that there was no beter, or more deserving cause to donate the money to, so instead of giving the $1000 to the homeless alience, we gave Omars Mom $500, and to the Homeless Alience the other $500. We wish we only had more to give, but hopefully the next party we will be able to generate twice that amount for the homless alience. We send all our love and support to Omar and his family during this hard time, and extend any posible help if there is to be a benefit party for him." These posts are supposed make me feel as though this was something great and wonderful that $18 was cheap and that we gave so much money to those in need? I'm not in any way condemning the fact that Feel Good gave what they did, I think that's great, but I'm questioning the fact that the event was advertised as a "partial" benefit and it seems that they really did mean 'partial'. I was going to make some comparison but it's all apples and oranges anyways to most people. I just get frustrated when I work with people throwing a big party with 3 sound systems, and 20 djs and it goes off and we can charge *$5* and give a thousand dollars to those in need. I just want to know what are Feel Good doing with all that money? It's a valid question I think? I'm not asking for a breakdown by item even...but from the outside when you add up to $125,000 and you've been told it's a partial benefit and you see less than 1% of the gross going to that benefit, that doesn't seem right. I've seen budgets for big parties and I know that they aren't the same as small parties, but realistically the figures are just way to off here not to say something. I suppose we should probably end this thread, seeing as it will probably only degenerate further. For me it's an issue of morals, its about what is right and wrong, and I won't let those issues die in our rave scene. love drenalin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:31:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA19051; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA19043; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA05226; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:36:22 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609101236.ZM5224@tempest.organic.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:36:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: Matthew Boshko Abrams "Skydiving" (Sep 5, 10:00pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Matthew Boshko Abrams , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Skydiving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i love skydiving. i have made two tandem jumos from 13k, at skydance out near stockton. it rules. my goal is to be certified for solo freefall and have my own gear by next year's burningman :) i cannot reccomend it enough! skydance can be found on the web. tandem jumping is a great way to get together with 2 or 20 friends for a day of chilling in the sun and fun... -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:36:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA19640; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA19630; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA05246; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:41:27 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609101241.ZM5244@tempest.organic.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:41:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: Milton Cecil "tape covers" (Sep 7, 9:16pm) References: <199609080416.VAA24968@bass.hooked.net> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Milton Cecil , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: tape covers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yeah score a bunch of old magazines cut out tons of bits of pictures and stuff the size of tape-papers fold, insert, viola! smithsonian, national geographic, etc are real good. cruise the city and look thru recycling bins On Sep 7, 9:16pm, Milton Cecil wrote: > Subject: tape covers > surely someone out there does or has the scientific and/or technical > knowledge to help me make a tape cover for my new tapes........ e-mail me > or call me at 415-337-6666 > > thanx..... moonpup > > >-- End of excerpt from Milton Cecil -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:38:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA19845; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA19840; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA05250; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:42:56 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609101242.ZM5248@tempest.organic.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:42:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: Civicgirl1@aol.com "i heard that....." (Sep 8, 11:43pm) References: <960908234236_474553040@emout09.mail.aol.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Civicgirl1@aol.com, raygun@value.net, larryc@netcom.com Subject: Re: i heard that..... Cc: mdpkl@best.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk must be misinformation people don't sell really valuable street drugs as other less valuable street drugs. heroin it wasn't. perhaps comet or something... On Sep 8, 11:43pm, Civicgirl1@aol.com wrote: > Subject: i heard that..... > i heard that the raVes now are kinda shady. my friend's friends went to a > rave and took some *E*....well, i heard about not buying stuff from the raves > becuz you don't know what the hell is in it. they took it, and there was > heroin and some other shit in it that got them so fucked up they couldn't > come down from it for a looong time. they said they felt like they're were > dying. =( me and my friend were concerned about this and we're gonna keep > cool with the rave scene for awhile.... i don't think we're gonna even go to > *Harmony* now that my friend heard about this.... =( i was looking forward to > it too. > oh wells. well, this isn't gonna stop me from going raving and i'm not > blaming anyone about it becuz they took it on their own will. all we can do > is be more cautious and watch out for what's out there....ya dig? =P well, > juz wanted to tell ya'll. > * be safe* =) bYe guys.... > > ~CG1~ > >-- End of excerpt from Civicgirl1@aol.com -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:41:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA20236; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA20221; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA05286; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:46:39 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609101246.ZM5284@tempest.organic.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:46:38 -0700 In-Reply-To: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG "BM" (Sep 8, 11:52am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: BM Cc: hotman@scarletfire.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i dinno... who is the real problem? i was perfectly in control of my bike out on the playa at 90mph. how in control were you, taking big piles of drugs and scamming on those dangerous women? who do you think is less in line with the spirit of bman from a few years back? someone who shows up and takes a shitload of drugs like a frat boy and scams on women or someone who shows up and participates and builds things and makes thing happen. think about it. showing up to get high and go raving is not what it's about. stay home next year. On Sep 8, 11:52am, TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote: > Subject: BM > To all those who got really fucked up and then proceeded to drive around > the dessert at 80 miles an hour what's it like to have blood on your > hands? > > While it's pointless to go on and on about my BM experience and I will say > this: it was to big and to out of control. Apart from that I had a great > time, took lots and lots of exceptionally fine dsangerious drugs and met > lots and lots of the kind of women that my mother used to warn me about. > The burning of the man was excellent (especially on an eighth of liberty > caps!) and I had two blinding nights at Whicked. CCC was not bad either. > > But at the end of the day the event was disarster for most concerned to > which I say this: there have to be reasons other then scientific for the > fact that there is not a singlepiece of life out their. Think about it! > > Tristan. > >-- End of excerpt from TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:43:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA20527; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA20498; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA05300; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:48:20 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609101248.ZM5298@tempest.organic.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:48:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) "MAD tonite?" (Sep 9, 12:57pm) References: <199609091957.MAA08351@netcom17.netcom.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: MAD tonite? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk alex played a shredding set! On Sep 9, 12:57pm, Steve Simitzis wrote: > Subject: MAD tonite? > > Is anyone going to MAD tonite? Sunset was just too short (car troubles > and terrible traffic delayed my arrival) and left me wanting more ;) > > So does anyone know who will be spinning tonight? > > Steve > > -- > Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb > | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | > | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | > | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | > >-- End of excerpt from Steve Simitzis -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:48:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA20967; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA20961; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA05323; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:53:23 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9609101253.ZM5321@tempest.organic.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:53:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: Wowser "Interesting Thought" (Sep 10, 4:24am) References: <199609100424.EAA01864@mail-gw.fsr.net> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave-driver X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Wowser , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Interesting Thought Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk gee i dunno depends on that person. like perhaps that person just so happens to strive to throw free parties, and nonprofit parties where something like 50% or more of the money raised goes to charity. i think scott's pretty capable of casting the first stone, at least on this subject. -- -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 - analog synthesis - chaotic good - polyamory - sleep deprivation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:53:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA21499; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA21492; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from simitzis@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA06526; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:53:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:53:43 -0700 From: simitzis@netcom.com (Steve Simitzis) Message-Id: <199609101953.MAA06526@netcom17.netcom.com> To: lesliea@best.com In-reply-to: (lesliea@best.com) Subject: Re: I'm UPSET re: "Mega-Budget" CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between people who do things because it's in their hearts and people who do things because they want to make a buck. And it's hard to appear genuine when one is putting on an event that must clearly be designed to make money in order to cover such large costs. I heard people had a great time at MB1. I guess that's what it's all about. Steve "four legs good, two legs bad" -GO -- Steve Simitzis | simitzis@netcom.com ssimitzi@us.oracle.com | "Hup!" - R. Crumb | simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters | | Oracle Server Technologies - it's not just a job, it's a wardrobe | | operators are standing by : 415-494-7987 (H/VM->P) | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:55:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA21745; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA21716; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enigma (enigma.vip.best.com [206.86.223.130]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA19671 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:55:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199609101955.MAA19671@dns1.noc.best.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "George Feil" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:55:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: so long, and thanks for all the fish! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've decided to leave the list for three reasons: First, things are getting very busy for me. I'm about to start a new job that will require considerably more time than I have given my previous one. With my personal projects (including a community web site) having playing second fiddle to everything else going on, it's time I focus more energy on creating, and less on media surfing (which, I have to admit, is a lot of fun, albeit time consuming). Secondly, the signal / noise ratio of this list has gotten too small for me. Too much of the massive volume of discussion is on political and other matters, and not enough is directly related to raves for it to be informative enough for me. Many times I have had the temptation to jump in to the political frying pan (and several times I actually did). However, given the choice of having these discussions on-line, or having them in person with friends and acquaintances, I choose the latter. Finally, I succumb to the negative vibe of the list. I've carried great intentions of having this list be an overall positive experience for everybody. I give my highest regards to those who have shared this intention with me. While I recognize the importance of having a balance between the darkness and the lightness of life, I have found things on this list to be a bit too dark lately for my taste. In particular, I have been appaled at the seeming lack of respect that several participants have had towards their peers. Thanks to everyone I've had the opportunity to share discussions with. I invite each of you to e-mail me personally, if you have something you'd like to discuss, rave-related or not. I plan to continue to attend raves (and will be subscribed to the calendar), so I look forward to meeting y'all at parties in the future. I'm not sure yet, but I may make it out to Harmony for the 3-year blast. Peace and Love to you all, George (a/k/a E. Nygma) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 12:58:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA22070; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA22060; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id MAA22475; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:57:41 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9609101241.ZM5244@tempest.organic.com> References: Milton Cecil "tape covers" (Sep 7, 9:16pm) <199609080416.VAA24968@bass.hooked.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:57:37 -0800 To: "Rocky Mullin" , Milton Cecil , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: tape covers Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk FYI, I believe this tape cover thingies are called... J-cards =) TR I have fun making them, but am not ready yet to design high-tech ones. Not until I get Kia Tools. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 13:11:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA23319; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zocalo.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA23175; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zocalo.net (zocalo.net [157.22.1.7]) by mail.zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07107 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.22.1.251] (lr8e1-port1.zocalo.net [157.22.1.251]) by zocalo.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03000 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:25:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wayne@zocalo.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:25:08 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: CrustyCo Subject: Re: Leslie the TV star =) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello dear friends, Unfortunately, based on the very real agendas of these pulp TV shows, their producers and hosts, I don't feel that the SF (or any other) rave community will be served by having Leslie or any other of our friends on TV 'going to bat' for our community, lifestyle or passions. They have control of the angle of the show. They have control of the camera. They have control of your microphone. This is not a platform for the guests to advocate their position. You do not get to speak freely. This is not a pulpit for guests to preach from. It is the host's pulpit, and they have an agenda. And that agenda is about building contraversy around a particular subject, positioning guests against each other, and the audience against the guests. It's a formula, it works, and that sells ad time. :-) If this were a panel show, it would be of mutual benefit to all the show's guests, but remember, this is not a panel and there is no fair moderator. These type of TV shows are not democracies. They are benevolent dictatorships... and ultimately all guests will lose. ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia +1.415.826.6000 FAX +1.415.826.6100 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 13:53:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA28361; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maelstrom.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA28356; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dlb@localhost) by maelstrom.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA29778; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:52:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bayer X-Sender: dlb@maelstrom.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: The After-Buzz on Megga-Buzz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It seems in the hours of writing code that I have been spending, I lost the ability to add. So please disregard my post about higher budgets for commerical parties, there was this 0 I forget when comparing costs and profits.... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 13:54:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA28856; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA28799; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09477; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:52:15 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA15937; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:46:13 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: Jason_Green*@quickmail.apple.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: eh, like, test er somethin? Date: 10 Sep 1996 20:42:13 GMT Message-Id: <1128333278.159021141@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jason Green*,Jason_Green*@quickmail.apple.com,Internet writes: ha! YOU opened it! you fool!!!! the oldest trick in the book! :-) HAH! YOU opened my response you FOOLER!!!! (he he he...) ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 13:55:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA28998; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id NAA28977; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA05098; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:54:59 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA07928; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:51:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:51:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199609102051.NAA07928@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Jack Chang From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: BP review-my 2c Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Some things i saw downstairs really bugged. Some people cutting lines by >the stairs, Saw this, and yeah it bugged me too. I stood real close to one guy and pretended to sneeze. He glared at me and I just grinned and said, "Just kidding!" and toodled off... >gangstas standing in the corners. Forgetting the clothing, I don't recall seeing anyone exuding the "gangsta vibe". I guess I don't make any assumptions about people just by the way they're dressed -- or try not to anyway. Y'know what would be rather amusing? To have some huge, hairy, burly guys show up on Harleys, dressed in full leathers, chompin' on some fat stogies, standing around and staring at everyone. Do you suppose ANYONE would walk up and try to give these guys a hug? Would anyone chat with them? Would anyone sit one of them down and try to give them a backrub? Would they be included at ALL? Do you *really* believe in raving as an equal opportunity attempt to befriend people without any hangups or prejudices? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 14:09:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA00522; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA00510; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:09:12 -0700 (PDT) From: branka@sirius.com Received: from [205.134.228.63] (ppp063-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.63]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id OAA21728; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:07:06 -0700 X-Sender: branka@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:08:18 -0800 To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream), Jack Chang Subject: Re: BP review-my 2c Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:51 PM 9/10/96, SDream wrote: >>Some things i saw downstairs really bugged. Some people cutting lines by >>the stairs, > >Saw this, and yeah it bugged me too. I stood real close to one guy and >pretended to sneeze. He glared at me and I just grinned and said, "Just >kidding!" and toodled off... > Cutting lines of what??? Is it really worse to see people cutting lines of E vs. giving somebody water and watch them take E in a pill form? Is this an issue of the way drug is taken or what kind of drug it is? \ Thinking out loud, Branka From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 14:15:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA01116; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adnetsol.adnetsol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA01110; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwright.adnetsol.com (Dialup2p168.adnetsol.com [204.140.150.168]) by adnetsol.adnetsol.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA18556; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:15:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199609102115.OAA18556@adnetsol.adnetsol.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Ross Wright" Organization: King Media and RW Marketing To: Jason_Green*@quickmail.apple.com, aguevara@compattic.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:20:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: eh, like, test er somethin? CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is some kind of LAME ASSED SHIT. Go back to your toys and put daddys computer away, now! On Or About: 10 Sep 96 at 20:42, Adam Guevara wrote: > Jason Green*,Jason_Green*@quickmail.apple.com,Internet writes: > ha! YOU opened it! you fool!!!! the oldest trick in the book! > :-) > > > HAH! YOU opened my response you FOOLER!!!! > > (he he he...) > > > ____________________________ > Transmitted from Computer Attic > SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 > Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 > ____________________________ > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 14:24:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA02032; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA01864; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA10706 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:24:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ward Reply-To: Brian Ward To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: what's it cut with?i In-Reply-To: <9609101242.ZM5248@tempest.organic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Actually, E is cut with heroin all the time in San Diego...And by the way...Heroin is NOT that expensive. Considering how little E you're getting in your hits, i's say it's quite cost effective for dealers. I don't see why they'd lie. -alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 14:43:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA03917; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id OAA03912; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scarab@localhost) by value.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07816; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE To: branka@sirius.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: BP review-my 2c In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 branka@sirius.com wrote: > At 1:51 PM 9/10/96, SDream wrote: > >>Some things i saw downstairs really bugged. Some people cutting lines by > >>the stairs, > > > >Saw this, and yeah it bugged me too. I stood real close to one guy and > >pretended to sneeze. He glared at me and I just grinned and said, "Just > >kidding!" and toodled off... > > > > Cutting lines of what??? Is it really worse to see people cutting lines of > E vs. giving somebody water and watch them take E in a pill form? Is this > an issue of the way drug is taken or what kind of drug it is? \ > This just goes to show you my naivete--from the original post, I thought "cutting lines on the stairs" referred to people who were "cutting in front of people" in the line up the stairs. Now, THAT's rude!! :) hehehe -KC From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 10 14:48:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id OAA04347; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id OAA04338; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id OAA25410; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:47:38 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199609102051.NAA07928@shellx.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:47:35 -0800 To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream), Jack Chang From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: BP review-my 2c Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:51 PM -0700 9/10/96, SDream wrote: >Y'know what would be rather amusing? To have some huge, hairy, burly guys >show up on Harleys, dressed in full leathers, chompin' on some fat stogies, >standing around and staring at everyone. Do you suppose ANYONE would walk >up and try to give these guys a hug? Would anyone chat with them? Would >anyone sit one of them down and try to give them a backrub? Would they be >included at ALL? Hmmm...I ride, I have full leather, I love good cigars, and I stand around and watch people, not ot mention I'm huge, hairy and burly, and I get hugs. =) I'd walk up to them and at least say hi. See, as we like to say, diversity is our strength. I've been to huge biker outings, and thus I wouldn't feel uncomfortable chillin' with a couple brothers; especially if they were smoking quality leaf. I'm not dissing your post, but rather saying that because of our diversity, we could make just about anyone feel welcome. Hell, what if some lady walked in with a hat that would make the orginator of Beach Blanket Babyalon [sp] grimace in his grave? Why, Leslie could make that person feel at home, right? ;^) Anyway, just because someone's big, burly, wears leather and smokes cigars it doesn't mean they aren't approachable. Peace! Tone _______