From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 00:57:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA05384; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:57:31 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA05368; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:57:15 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id AAA29080; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:56:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: [NRR] Adobe Type On Call Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If anyone has a crack for this CD, you'd be the bomb. I think if I remember correctly, PWA or someone put out a crack for it, but I haven't been able to find it anywhere... It's got 2,100 fonts, including that Chemical Bros. (Sho) font, so someone pleez pleez pleez get it... :) John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 01:03:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA05862; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:03:44 -0700 Received: from franklin.CS.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA05855; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:03:41 -0700 Received: (from joshk@localhost) by franklin.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.9) id BAA26184; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:03:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:03:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh Kneubuhl To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: One Track Mind/Nikita Review Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, it's Nancy here reporting from my friend Josh's account on the events of Friday night. Only Friday night, because the rest of the weekend was spent recuperating! ;) Lazy days drenched in sunshine are a great antitode to outrageous partying... Friday night - One Track Mind We headed out to this little, Mission district, $5 party after hearing the depressing news about Meridian. None of us felt like driving over an hour to spend a night at the beach - and from what I heard from friends later, that was a good thing! Too bad about all the mishaps of the night for Meridian. Hopefully next time the space will be secure and the party will go off! So we faced the prospects of Fusion (spare $20, anyone?), Out-a-Sight (no directions at 11PM - thought this was a guaranteed weekly?), Nikita (for the clubby thang - and of course, Derrick May), or the small unknown, One Track Mind. $5 seemed a safe gamble, and I'm always curious to check out a new party. By midnight we had found the industrial space in a south Mission area. Good location for a medium-size party!! (Heads up, F&F!!). Oblong warehouse that could fit several hundred people. Unfortunately for One Track Mind, only about 100 had ventured to their party. I was impressed with what they had furnished for just five bucks. A large screen flashed graphics, decent sound system, free water flowed, in-and-out privileges, and a chill area with couches and some artwork (somebody's living space, maybe?). Jon Santos (the biggest name in the line-up) was spinning. Billed "Detroit Techno and Chicago House" night, hardcore crashed through the air, sounding much like dueling blenders. Not my taste. Some people tried to dance, but the feeling wasn't there. The chill area - featuring "improvisational" ambient - wasn't any more musically inviting. We (minus KaySEE, who opted for a good conversation and a mellow night) wanted to GO OFF, and headed out to 1015 to hopefully catch the legend, Derrick May. Nikita The Club - unbelievable sound system pounding, blinding lazer overkill, stocked bars pouring, club crowd preening. Nikita is like sensory overload after any rave. I observed the suburban crowd with the women in heels and the drunk men and grew petulant - why do THEY get the killer space and sound and lights and the underground has to scrounge? We hide out in dirty warehouses and get excited over a simple lazer, while in clubland overstuffed couches and openair balconies and amazing light shows are wasted on the cruisers. The weird thing about Nikita is, after 2AM it's a totally different experience. Until the bars close, you have your mainstream crowd (and the crowd at Nikita gets more mainstream every week - two months ago I swear it was a different scene). But after 2, the real dancers come out, getting down to the music and not at all interested in clubby attitude. By 5AM, it's just the groovers, with everyone there absorbed in the same feeling. At that moment, the connection is close to the rave experience. The music has transported us to the same level, creating the collective experience that is at the heart of the best rave experiences. But I'm getting ahead of myself. First things first - Derrick May is THE MAN!! See him the next time he is in town, because this is one legend who deserves it. I was worried that he'd be too old-school, that his legendary status derived from his place as an originator of techno dance, rather than any current relevance. But this guy can still rock the house!! His fifteen years of spinning was reflected in an arsenal of records - his set weaved everything from pophouse to trance to hardcore techno and back, throwing in bits and fragments of sounds and voice and samples to create a totally danceable mishmash of sound. He spun incredibly for two-and-a-half hours. Simon came on after, spinning better than he has for quite a while. Two hours of throbbing trance that held the crowd like a spell. My favorite kind of dance music. :) :) Many people stayed until the end came at dawn. (And probably, like us, had to face an hour delay on the Bridge). But we did get to see the sun break through the clouds over the bay in the morning - intensely beautiful. One thing: I was handed an invite to get in free next week, as was my friend Marnie. On it (I don't have it in front of me), it said something like, "you are invited because of your happy smile. We want positivity only!" and made me think that the people throwing Nikita want the dancelovers and the good vibe to come. I suddenly saw them bummed out by the mainstreaming of their club (although they probably don't mind the massive dollars generated!), and trying to get another sort of crowd to come to their party. ?? The club elements can be a downer, but as I was saying earlier, after the drinkers leave, and with a good dj, 1015 has potential. During Simon's set I felt close to everyone in that room, and although funny hats and presents would have felt inappropriate, the connection that heartfelt dance brings was starting. It was not the same total acceptance the rave atmosphere sometimes brings, but Friday night I realized that the venue or the legality or the fact of "club vs. rave" becomes immaterial. We can bond through dance, regardless of location or promoter or purist ideals. When I began raving I would go to any party, just 'cause it was a "rave." I thought the fact that it was a rave was enough to bring the community and the soul-lifting experience of dance. As I've gotten more into it, I've realized that the music creates the experience. At One Track Mind, "bad" music created a mediocre vibe. At the club, unbelievable sound united everyone into a single groove. I often wonder what's at the origin - people or the music? Is a good crowd enough to generate a feeling or is good music the catalyst to bring the people together into a shared experience? "Raving" (meaning, to me, a certain experience) takes the people, too - sharing their love and openness and positivity. The crowd is critical to the highest experience. But dance is universal, perhaps creating the connection that allows people to then open up, and create an even higher level of connection. I just know that now I choose parties (whether rave or club) based on the music, because I know the experience will follow... This post is long enough! Good-bye everyone - have a beautiful, short, 3-day workweek (isn't it wonderful?!) Love, Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 07:02:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA09471; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 07:02:03 -0700 Received: from mail.domain.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA09430; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 07:01:59 -0700 Received: from [205.231.222.75] by mail.domain.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 07:01:55 -0700 X-Sender: knucklehead@mail.domain.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: knucklehead@club.net (Knucklehead) Subject: Weekend fun Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 07:01:55 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Damn! I had a great time this weekend..Mars set at Space Teddy was awesome. I think I left my body on that one..Sunset boat party.. My first one, only due to having to get up at 4:30am for work on Monday. This was great, I've been on many boats, ships and what not, but this was great. I was just having a hard time choosing what deck to stay on..Well I'm sooo tired right now, got to bed at 1:30 and up at 4:30 so I think it's time to close my eyes and take a snooze before I actually have to do work here. And to think I almost didn't go out this weekend. Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 09:21:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA21400; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:21:16 -0700 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA21391; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:21:13 -0700 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com (federal-excess.apple.com [17.255.0.16]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA10438 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:20:40 -0700 Received: from gateway.apple.com ([17.7.4.1]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA25499 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:20:08 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 1 Jul 1996 09:19:19 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: My New (Old) Email Address To: "sfr" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 b3 d1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HI!! Happy HOT Monday to Everyone. Hope your weekend was swell! For the time being, I've switch back to my old confusing Quickmail Email Address (mark_camp*@quickmail.apple.com) because Claris Emailer SUCKS! Apple is in the proccess of loosing Quickmail and switching over to Claris Emailer and while they are doing this, the Emailer servers keep going caputz (SP?). And I never receive any messages. SO, once again, if anyone has tried sending me anything over the past coupla days, I didnt receive it. Please send it to: mark_camp*@quickmail.apple.com. Thanxs!! This concludes my Monday Morning Grip Session Looking Forward to the FOUR DAY WEEKEND!!!!, -M From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 09:31:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA22555; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:31:32 -0700 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA22549; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:31:30 -0700 Received: (from meclay@localhost) by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA16409; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:31:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:31:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael E. Clay" Subject: FS: 8 Track Analog Studio Stuff To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If anyone's interested I have a Tascam 48 Analog 8 track tape deck(DBX) and a large 4' x 3' Tascam 24 input ( 2 phono even ) 8 bus out mixer that I'd like to sell. I'm looking to get $1500 for the deck and $1000 for the mixer. These are very nice units with boxes ( I can help deliver ), manuals and look like new ie very few if any blimishes... the deck has less than 200 hours use so the heads are like new.... The mixer is a full studio mixer with meter bridge, lots of inputs & outputs etc but is too large for small time live use ( unless you are the Orb ).... I'm only selling these because I do only electronic stuff that uses MIDI and so I just don't use their capabilities - so I'm looking to simplify my studio.... E-mail me if you have any interest. Mike meclay@netcom.com | Alone & ecstatic Mike Clay (415)572-8971 | A young rainbow learns to levitate. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 09:43:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA23416; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:43:28 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA23411; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:43:25 -0700 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id JAA11628; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:43:19 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id JAA27454; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:43:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:43:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jessica Robin Berkson Subject: I'm back (sort of) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all- I haven't posted in days because I don't really have a place and I've been couch surfing for about two weeks now- I really really really missed the vibe I get from all of you- wow, do I ever need some positive energy sent my way!!!! I'm stressed and broke, but I've still got a smile on my face and I know that I'll make it- I just didn't want any of you to think I fell off the face of the earth... Hopefully I'll make it to a party soon. Love, jessica From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 09:46:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA23693; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:46:50 -0700 Received: from bass-station.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA23684; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:46:47 -0700 Received: from [207.76.139.151] by bass-station.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b11); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:41:03 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Ethan Miller Subject: NRR: Job Opportunity Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:41:03 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Seeing as how I like ravers and this person would report to me, I thought I'd put this here. 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Date: 01 Jul 1996 17:27:46 GMT Message-Id: <1431502847.34962858@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, well, well.... I really hope you all can handle these next 3 or 4 days... I had fun in the woods, however, the Harmony party "pulled" me out of my outback contemplation to do some serious dancing... So much for a "raveless weekend".... Had fun, shared smiles, did some serious damage to the beach (dancing my own pit, one could say) and can't wait till Wendsday... -C/U Wensday night. -Pacbowl Thursday (DJ Demigod - Gabber/Hardcore) -Light from Friday till Sunday Talk about a Full Plate!!! "dance with me..." -Adam ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 10:15:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA26659; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:15:29 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA26650; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:15:23 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA09252 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:15:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ward To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: 4 day weekend Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk As I sit in my 90 degree office (AC broken) with no water (?? noone knows??), sweating from the exersion of typing alone...I have time to reflect on my past weekend and look forward to the coming week...Where will I go?...Who will I see?...HOW AM I GOING TO AFFORD A FOUR DAY WEEKEND?? *sigh* ahhh the dillemas of modern life... -alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 10:22:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA27242; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:22:55 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA27233; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:22:52 -0700 Received: from [206.79.2.36] ([206.79.2.36]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA14564 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:24:43 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: tony rotundo in the house? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey tony... I need to figure a way to pay you back for that FnF patch... if you send your snail mail address I can just meil you the... uh... $2, right? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."| | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 10:26:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA27631; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:26:41 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA27624; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:26:37 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id KAA06296 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199607011726.KAA06296@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: free roots. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hear Roots on Weds. night will be free before 11pm. Start your weekend off right. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 10:29:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA28001; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:29:53 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA27990; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:29:49 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id KAA28248; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:29:38 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:29:31 -0800 To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: tony rotundo in the house? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:24 AM -0700 7/1/96, michal migurski wrote: >Hey tony... > >I need to figure a way to pay you back for that FnF patch... if you send >your snail mail address I can just meil you the... uh... $2, right? *yawn!* *stretch* Morning everyone. :^) Um, yeah, the $2, well, all I can say is: "I want my two dollars!" Snail mail it to: 2560 Ninth St. Suite 312 Berkeley, CA 94710 c/o Xinet, Inc. Thanks! Tone From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 10:30:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA28054; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:30:07 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA28047; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:30:02 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00221; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:29:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:29:59 -0700 (PDT) To: Brian Ward cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 4 day weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Brian Ward wrote: > As I sit in my 90 degree office (AC broken) with no water (?? noone > knows??), sweating from the exersion of typing alone...I have time to > reflect on my past weekend and look forward to the coming week...Where will > I go?...Who will I see?...HOW AM I GOING TO AFFORD A FOUR DAY WEEKEND?? > *sigh* ahhh the dillemas of modern life... > Your office AC is broken too???? Small world.... YEACH!!! Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 10:32:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA28339; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:32:41 -0700 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA28326; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:32:37 -0700 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com (federal-excess.apple.com [17.255.0.16]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA12016 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:32:04 -0700 Received: from gateway.apple.com ([17.7.4.1]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA02052 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:31:32 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 1 Jul 1996 10:29:59 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: Soulstice Tonight at Cats B To: "sfr" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 b3 d1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey Everyone. If you're near the Cats Bar tonight in SF (or if you're not) come check out a super cool band called Soulstice. I've had the pleasure of listening to them every day for the past two weeks (thanks to my roommate, the man, Mei-Lwun Yee) who does some kick-ass scratching to live hop-hop-funk-acid jazz-rap and even some jungle beats with a lovely female singa. Show starts at 10 or 9 or something like that. So come on out, I'll by you a drink! Really, I will! Fo mo info, and a little sampling of the Soulstice sound, call the BCE info line @ 415 607 2290 peace, -M From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 10:39:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA28932; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:39:14 -0700 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA28920; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:39:10 -0700 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA119372699; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:38:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:38:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: in memory of Dave S.[steamboat trips} To: SteveOSac@aol.com Cc: lxfogel@srv.pacbell.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, jlf3@mofo.com, greysix@netcom.com, bob@csp.org In-Reply-To: <960629224732_145828093@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oh Jeez, I didn't realize it was this Dave. The steamboat was the tip off. I got the privledge of meeting him at his beautiful berkeley home once back in '93 after a Basics party at the Armory. Although I never got to really know him, I could tell the instant I met him what a special and wonderful person he was. I was always glad to see him with his cute little hat and glitter around his smiling eyes. My thoughts are with him and all who knew him. love, Amy --------------- | _ ,/| | | '\`o O' | | =(_^_)= | Amy Starkey | |U| | sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu | | | | --------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 11:11:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA02058; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:11:02 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02050; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:11:00 -0700 Received: (from scarab@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA02930; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:10:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE To: Josh Kneubuhl cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: One Track Mind/Nikita Review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Josh Kneubuhl wrote: > Nikita > > > First things first - Derrick May is THE MAN!! See him the next time he is > in town, because this is one legend who deserves it. I was worried that > he'd be too old-school, that his legendary status derived from his place > as an originator of techno dance, rather than any current relevance. But > this guy can still rock the house!! His fifteen years of spinning was > reflected in an arsenal of records - his set weaved everything from > pophouse to trance to hardcore techno and back, throwing in bits and > fragments of sounds and voice and samples to create a totally danceable > mishmash of sound. He spun incredibly for two-and-a-half hours. > > Love, Nancy I have a great, albeit second-hand, story about Nancy and Derrick May. Another friend of mine witnessed the following interaction between Nancy and Derrick May. (Nancy, I hope I don't embarrass you, but this story is too cute to pass up!!) Anyway, my friend sees Nancy go up to Derrick May before he starts to spin and starts talking to him. Of course, he is very curious as to the interaction that has occured, so he asks Nancy what they talked about. Nancy replies, "Oh I just told him to really go off and show us what a bad-ass he really is!" I can just see her doing this!! My friend thought it was pretty cool because then Derrick May would know that he was appreciated out here in SF. So, if his set had even a bit more pizzazz then usual, maybe it was due to your fellow sfraver!! -KaySEE ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam**** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 11:32:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA03992; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:32:31 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA03987; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:32:28 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id LAA00681; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:32:25 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199607011726.KAA06296@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:32:18 -0800 To: Troy Sheets , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: free roots. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:26 AM -0700 7/1/96, Troy Sheets wrote: >I hear Roots on Weds. night will be free before 11pm. Start your >weekend off right. Where? Isn't Come/Unity that night at 1015? TR From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 11:36:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA04339; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:36:22 -0700 Received: from toaster by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04334; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:36:19 -0700 Received: from waffle.berksys.com by toaster via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI) for id LAA01189; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:33:46 -0700 Received: from [192.216.218.207] (mactech.berksys.com [192.216.218.207]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA27143 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:32:36 -0700 X-Sender: cohara@mail.Berksys.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:36:30 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Cohara@Berksys.com (KironO) Subject: Bulletproof party @ Mission Rock Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I took a chance yesterday and went to Mission rock to the Bulletproof party as it was only $5. Great evening/night of open air dancing right on the waterfront : Jeno, garth and Mark farina spinning. Malachy was there himself. I think it's gonna be once a month. Was anyone else there ? Peace, Ciaran From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 11:43:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA04938; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:43:07 -0700 Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04925; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:43:03 -0700 From: Begroovy@aol.com Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20108 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:43:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:43:30 -0400 Message-ID: <960701144329_567861428@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: selling mixer Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Since, I just purchased my new Rane MP22 mixer, I no longer have a need for my old one. It is a Gemini PMX2000. I purchased it for $300 over two years ago. I think $150 would be a fair price. It has 5 line inputs, a 7 band graphic eq for each channel, and 2 mic inputs ( for whatever use that is?). Have a great day, Peace!! Cid From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 12:39:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA10278; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:39:44 -0700 Received: from wired.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA10273; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:39:41 -0700 Received: from [204.62.132.158] (olives.wired.com [204.62.132.158]) by wired.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13391 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:45:37 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: olives@hotwired.com (Oliver Raskin) Subject: Speakers for sale Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I'm posting this for a friend who doesn't have email access. He's just moved into a new appartment where his decks are set up in really close quarters. These speakers are _way_ too big to have set up 1 foot away from your ears, so he's looking to get into something smaller (but doesn't that go against the natural evolution of things?) Anyhow here's what he's got. If you're interested, either email me or give him a call at 759-5604. His name is Dave. He's a good guy. Call -- it'll be fun! 2 Soundtech Cabinets 12" Woofer 10" Mid 1" Hi They're in good shape and really thump (but aren't so great for tiny spaces). $ 200 for the pair Oliver From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 12:58:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA11980; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:58:52 -0700 Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA11963; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:58:48 -0700 From: Anastazia5@aol.com Received: by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA12079 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:59:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:59:12 -0400 Message-ID: <960701155900_567908620@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: Anastazia5@aol.com Subject: Questions from Dallas:) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HI!!! I'm Anastazia5 (creator/editor of a Dallas-based rave newsletter called SWELL). I will be making a two week trip to San Fran. & L.A. in August in order to take a break from this ultra-conservative area. I was wondering if you guys could give me a little scene-related info about the following: *A few "quality" promoter names/groups:) *Record shops--especially those with a large selection of Trance/GOA...Dallas is TOTALLY into the Progressive House/Funky Breaks stuff, so it's harder than hell to find the records I wanna play here. I'll be bringing an extra, empty suitcase just to fill up with records:) *Are there age limits on parties? Dallas usually has a 17+ limit, in the hopes of avoiding a party-bust by "Bobby Joe the Arrogent Hick Cop" *Any primo clothing stores...Dallas has ONE (believe it or not) called Moda that carries a lot of the Mondorama line:) *I have organized a Sunday night raver-coffee/chat session here in D. Do you guys have any specific meeting place/time? I'd love to meet some of you during my trip:) Any info would be greatly appreciated! Take Care of Yourself and of Others!!!!! Ana5 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 13:18:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA14150; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:18:16 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA14140; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:18:12 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp-5-4.rdcy01.pacbell.net [206.170.5.4]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id NAA05164 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:18:12 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960701201947.0081c0b8@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 13:19:47 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Lexan 99 Subject: boat party Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk had a pretty good time last night. met blackadder and shawna for the first time. got reintroduced to john (burger king) and reintroduced myself to tim (knucklehead). i now also know who reagan is, even if we weren't introduced.. the weather was absolutely perfect for a boat cruise. nice and warm, but the bay kept the temperature down to a perfect level.. dancing downstairs, they had the side doors open and you could look out and see the water rushing by, as well as feel the cooling breeze. hmmm.. now why can't warehouse parties have air conditioning like that? heard some good jungle, and andrew spun a nice ambient/jungle set that was beautiful to listen to, although very difficult to dance to. however (warning: house music rant ahead), my evening could have been much better had there not been so much house music. the music sounded ok if you were right between the speakers, but if you were back further all you got was a muddle whoompy bass sound. more treble would have made it much more enjoyable. i also was unfortunate enough to hear the worst house song i have ever heard. it had a cheezy bass line and vocals that sounded like they came straight out of a 2-unlimited rap. ugh! and on another note: when i was in canada, the funky techno tribe came out to toronto on tour or something and put on a party with Dose. my question is: why do no outside production companies from other cities come to SF and help put on parties? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 14:07:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA19317; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:07:32 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19309; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:07:29 -0700 Received: (from scarab@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA17909; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:07:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE To: sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: Kristi Subject: The Sunset Boat Party Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk With much anticipation, we (a group of 7) set off to got to the party. I had been nursing myself back to health from my second cold in two weeks. This one hit me out of the blue, but I refused to let it interfere with going to the boat party. There are too few wonderful parties, that I didn't want to miss this one. A little mind over matter goes a long ways.... ONE COMPLAINT: It ended to soon :( I was just not ready for it to end when it did. Great time for punctuality, we docked at 11:01 p.m. I was hoping that they would go a bit later. The time flew by. Next time, I hope it can be a bit longer. But it was still wonderful, so this is a mild complaint. I got to see some people who I hadn't seen for quite awhile (Shawna, Reagan, Black Adder, SDream, Marty) and met a few new people (SDream's friend, Julie and sfraver Troy Sheets). I looked for more sfravers, assuming they were there, but didn't find any. I spent the entire time running from deck to deck to see the amazing views: sunset underneath the Golden Gate, moon rise over the east bay, full moon behind a beautifully lit City, moon light reflecting off of the water, clear skies, and more. This was the "hang out and bond with your friends" party, which I did enforce. It was nice spending some quality time with the people that help create the vibe. Reinforce that love of the scene, and get to know people's wonderful individuality. It just reminds me that "the rave" is a combination of many things, people being what makes it all happen!! I also appreciated the fact that in this vast world there exists a place for my silly, friendly side to show itself. It is a struggle to keep it couped up, but the "regular" world just isn't ready for it in many ways. People always have their guard up too much, and spend too much time worrying about appearances and acting "grown-up". It's nice to step into that "temoporary autonomous zone" for a bit, and be able to express an important part of yourself. It refreshes my love of living which is easy to forget and difficult to remember. The music didn't move my relaxed body too much, but it was beautiful to listen to. Even heard a Tangerine Dream track in there. My body won't move if the music is (I believe) below 130 bpm. I need stuff from Progressive House and on. Trance rules, especially acid trance! But, this was a different mood and people did seem to enjoy themselves. The "experimental" cabin got in some good jungle licks and ambient grooves and the main cabin was pretty much pure house from what I remember. I enjoy listening to house, but when I put my body out on the dance floor, I didn't feel the familiar grab. Usually, I feel this contagious sensation under my skin which sends electric pulses to my limbs and makes them flail wildly. Just didn't get there this time, but that was okay. I'll just have to feed this little dancing addiction of mine later! Smooth move Ex-lax aka #1 dumb move of the evening: I brought my camera and proceeded to take pictures of the party. Then my camera ran out of film. I had another role in my back pack, but was too lazy to go down to the bottom cabin and get it. Later on, as the sun is setting, and we are going under the Golden Gate bridge, I grab my camera and take (what I thought) would be some excellent pictures of Jon and myself underneath the bridge. After I left the party, it dawned on me that those pictures had occured after I ran out of film, and before I had re-loaded the film. So, I guess those pictures will only be etched in my memory. Can you just say airhead? signing off, KaySEE p.s. I hope to see some of the pictures that people took. ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam**** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 14:14:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA20082; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:14:40 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA20075; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:14:37 -0700 Received: from well.com (phred@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA00902; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA22704; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:14:36 -0700 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9607011414.ZM22702@well> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:14:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cohara@Berksys.com (KironO) "Bulletproof party @ Mission Rock" (Jul 1, 11:36am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: Cohara@Berksys.com (KironO), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Bulletproof party @ Mission Rock Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk *Malachy* is back???!!! Yowza!! phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 14:41:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA22661; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:41:01 -0700 Received: from softway95.softway.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA22648; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:40:57 -0700 Received: (from rw@localhost) by softway95.softway.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA14948 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:38:59 -0700 From: Renaud Waldura Message-Id: <199607012138.OAA14948@softway95.softway.com> Subject: Unix products half-priced (NRR) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Reply-to: rw@softway.com Organization: Softway, Inc. (San Francisco) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 527 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This non-rave related, might be considered blatant self-promotion as well, and is actually commercial spam. This said, you can go on, you may find a good deal. :) My company changed its product line, and wants to get rid of a few leftover products: we have a clearance list where you can find Unix software/books for half the usual street price. Have a look at http://www.softway.com/america/prices.htm No need to mention my name when ordering, I don't have anything to do with the sales department. :) Renaud From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 15:25:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA27264; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:25:31 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA27259; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:25:28 -0700 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA19382 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (krok@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA07134 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:22:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kyung Rok Reply-To: Kyung Rok To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: One Track Mind/Nikita Review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > First things first - Derrick May is THE MAN!! See him the next time he is > in town, because this is one legend who deserves it. I was worried that > he'd be too old-school, that his legendary status derived from his place > as an originator of techno dance, rather than any current relevance. But > this guy can still rock the house!! His fifteen years of spinning was > reflected in an arsenal of records - his set weaved everything from > pophouse to trance to hardcore techno and back, throwing in bits and > fragments of sounds and voice and samples to create a totally danceable > mishmash of sound. He spun incredibly for two-and-a-half hours. I respectfully disagree. His set left me uninspired. He may be "the man"... but not on this night, not in my opinion. You should still check him out though if you never have -- his historical significance warrants as much. Rok. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 15:31:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA27680; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:31:03 -0700 Received: from mail.domain.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA27643; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:30:56 -0700 Received: from [205.231.222.75] by mail.domain.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:30:58 -0700 X-Sender: knucklehead@mail.domain.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: knucklehead@club.net (Knucklehead) Subject: BP/BSP..SFR BBQ & BEATS II Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:30:58 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Since we had alot a fun doing the first one in May, we've decided to do another. On July 20th we're bringing you SFR BBQ & BEATS II. The DJ lineup will be..Todd Manley, Jonathan, Tom, Ethan. It will go from 2-9pm. There will be food on hand for you to enjoy, but we do ask if you can also bring some to share with others. The BBQ will be flaming from 2pm to 7-8pm. So please join us for great food, music, and fun under the sun. For info 415-974-4357.. We hope to see you there... Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 15:53:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA29287; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:53:07 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA29280; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:53:03 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.7) id PAA15800; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607012253.PAA15800@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: Gateway Blue Moon Party Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I heard this was supposed to happen in Sacramento. I was even given the lowdown on the space. I went around midnight to see if anyone was there setting up, cuz that is what time it was supposed to start. No trace of anyone, except two shady characters in a pick-up who, when I inquired if they knew anything about a full moon party said, "full moon party?....I'm up for a party....where is it supposed to be." I said, "that's what I'm trying to figure out" Then the same guy who just asked me where it was supposed to be said, "can I get a ride with you, I know where it is." So I said, "where." To which he responded, "right over there up the road" I drove away without another word. At about 12:30 am the directions were still not posted, so...... Did it happen? Was if big fun? What's the story? Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 16:34:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03256; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:34:14 -0700 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03249; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:34:10 -0700 Received: from [198.97.35.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:39:54 -0700 X-Sender: ambient@netcom13.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199607012253.PAA15800@franc.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:39:15 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Joe Rice Subject: Re: Gateway Blue Moon Party Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 3:53 PM -0700 7/1/96, Rick Riffle wrote: >I heard this was supposed to happen in Sacramento. I was even given the >lowdown on the space. I went around midnight to see if anyone was there >setting up, cuz that is what time it was supposed to start. No trace of >anyone, except two shady characters in a pick-up who, when I inquired if >they knew anything about a full moon party said, "full moon party?....I'm up >for a party....where is it supposed to be." I said, "that's what I'm >trying to figure out" Then the same guy who just asked me where it was >supposed to be said, "can I get a ride with you, I know where it is." So I >said, "where." To which he responded, "right over there up the road" > >I drove away without another word. > >At about 12:30 am the directions were still not posted, so...... > >Did it happen? > >Was if big fun? > >What's the story? > >Rick Erm, there were some logistical problems (it was to have started at 1am), but it did happen, albeit not until about 4 or 4:30 am. It was a meadow somewhere just outside Sacramento, near a bog, which meant thousands of mosquitos. I played first, but couldn't hardly spin for the mosquito bites (I counted about 50 this morning - never would've thought they could suck through two shirts! At least they don't itch much). I had to leave at 5:30 to go back to SF for work, so I don't know how long it lasted. There were about 30-50 people there when I left. The moon was utterly exquisite. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 16:48:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA04576; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:48:02 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA04561; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:47:59 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA16467 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:46:10 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA13687 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:47:55 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA04561 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:47:53 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:48:32 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Rallying support for Karen Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, everybody! Our wonderful sister, Karen Hardie, is going through extremely intense, overwhelmingly bad times right now. I think she could use some love and positive energy. Anyone got some to spare? Love, Eric From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 16:58:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA05705; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:58:46 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA05698; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:58:44 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.7) id QAA22261; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607012358.QAA22261@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Rallying support for Karen Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, I love you. :) Rick At 04:48 PM 7/1/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hey, everybody! > > Our wonderful sister, Karen Hardie, is going through extremely >intense, overwhelmingly bad times right now. I think she could use some >love and positive energy. Anyone got some to spare? > >Love, > >Eric > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 17:00:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA05858; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:00:08 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA05823; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:00:02 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA16902 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:58:10 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA14585; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:59:55 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07133; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:59:53 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:00:32 -0700 To: Joe Rice From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Gateway Blue Moon Party Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The moon was indeed magnificent! It was said to be at it's fullest at 8:59pm, so I went onto the balcony of the apartment where I live to see. Incredibly bright. I opened myself up to receive the energy the beautiful, silver-white orb was radiating, and perceived a cool (as in temperature) and substantial energy, unlike anything I've felt before. It was medium in intensity. I let my energy flow with it for a moment, then came back to myself, breathed deeply, smiled, sighed, and returned indoors. Yours in lunacy, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 17:03:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA06157; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:03:08 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06147; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:03:04 -0700 Received: from [205.216.175.227] ([205.216.175.227]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id RAA26443; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607020003.RAA26443@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: cubensis@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:05:31 -0800 To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: cubensis@well.com (John Bagby) Subject: Re: Rallying support for Karen Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >love and positive energy. Anyone got some to spare? I'm having an amazing week full of love and light, and even though I've never met sister Karen, I can empathize with "overwhelmingly bad times". Hang on, sister. "Wake now, discover that you are the sun that the morning brings!" LOVE and HUGS to you!!!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 17:17:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA07271; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:17:09 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA07261; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:17:06 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA17379 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:15:17 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA15678 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:17:02 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA09713 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:16:59 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:17:39 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Sending support to Karen Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Woah, I was about to give her e-mail address to the list, but maybe it's better to do it this way: if you'd like to send her a message, and don't have her e-mail addr., let me know, and I'll send it to ya private-like. OK? Peace, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 17:30:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08430; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:30:42 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08408; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:30:35 -0700 Received: from johnshmi (scz-ca6-17.ix.netcom.com [199.182.129.209]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA06874 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:30:06 -0700 Message-ID: <31D86E17.6446@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 17:32:23 -0700 From: grinner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: harmony Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just a quick note on my *Harmony* experience. I had a great time while it lasted; I had to split early to go to an engagement party for my brother in Salinas. Left at about 5:10 pm. The weather was perfect, the music was just getting good and the vibe just starting to happen for me and then I had to go... :( Highlights (Good AND Bad) * The great location/ The hellish trek to bring equipment down to the beach. * The perfect weather * The great views- Ocean spray, Natural arch, Naked people... * The shitty incident with the pit-bull. Fucked up, man! * The constant hissing of nitrous tanks. * Getting to meet John (short hair, blue shorts and white t-shirt, extremely friendly), Rob & Jenny (met them at wrong beach. got to harmony together. introduced themselves right away), and Charlie (holder of the sacred sunflower), also the girl whose name I don't remember that had the same Airwalks as me. Met her with Charlie? when we were trying to get the generator going. Did I get all your names right? You were the only ones who cared enough to act friendly toward me and my wife Patty. It was a true *pleasure* to meet you. What are your i.d's on the list? So I can match the faces with who you are on the list? Me? I was the half asian, half mexican dude, about 5'8" with the red and black beanie that had a yellow happy face on it. MOst of the time I was dancing on the rock in front of the arch. Wish I could have gotten a laminate. Damn. maybe next time. C'mon... people. be a little friendlier. Despite my pissy mood right now, I had a pretty good time on Saturday. >From the guy in Santa Cruz... {PEACE} --Aaron ajtoy/grinner :P From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 17:33:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08632; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:33:26 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08616; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:33:22 -0700 Received: from johnshmi (scz-ca6-17.ix.netcom.com [199.182.129.209]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA07029 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:32:53 -0700 Message-ID: <31D86EBF.583E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 17:35:11 -0700 From: grinner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: hugs to karen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk karen- "When the shadows are darkest, the light is the brightest." - Goethe Hang in there, girl... you'll see the light soon. - LUVNHUGS- Aaron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 17:42:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA09289; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:42:03 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA09281; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:42:00 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA18226 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:40:12 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA17204 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:41:56 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA13208 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:41:54 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:42:33 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: To all who attended Harmony Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It was great fun, and I'm glad we got to share it! Didn't meet as many new faces as I'd like to have, but sometimes a returned smile is all I need :) There were more of you I knew than I even got to say hi to, but that's the way it is with families, eh? Looking forward to the next wonderful experience! Love, Eric From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 18:02:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA11183; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:02:13 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA11177; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:02:10 -0700 Received: from [153.36.196.207] (Cust15.Max8.Phoenix.AZ.MS.UU.NET [153.36.196.207]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id SAA04070 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607020102.SAA04070@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:04:22 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Currently in Arizona Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings, I'm sitting here in Sedona, Az. Just woke up to a beautiful morning and some of the most incredible sights of beuatiful red mountains, and surrounding countryside. I've taken some pictures and will soon have them up on my WEB site. So far, I've been able to get on-line, thanx to Kinko's Courticy phones. I already miss dancing, but I got a fair amount of dancing in San Diego, although the rave scene is quite a lot smaller, but LA isn't that far away. Anyway, please keep the vibe alive until I get back and have phun for me while I'm gone. Cheers The Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 18:02:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA11202; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:02:21 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA11196; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:02:18 -0700 Received: from [153.36.196.207] (Cust15.Max8.Phoenix.AZ.MS.UU.NET [153.36.196.207]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id SAA04091; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607020102.SAA04091@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:04:31 -0800 To: cnielsen@earthlink.net (Courtney Nielsen) From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: uh, is anyone else getting this? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hey!!!! > >Ive been getting this for every sfraves message I send out: (just wondering >if its sfraves or me) > I've been getting it also. Aapparently Marcos's account must have been nuked, and the SFRaves mailing list needs to be modified. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 20:03:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA22718; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:03:43 -0700 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA22693; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:03:37 -0700 From: Anastazia5@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA21500 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:03:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:03:53 -0400 Message-ID: <960701230348_147140172@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: Anastazia5@aol.com Subject: A BIGGGGG Thank You:) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just wanna thank everyone who sent me info regarding the SF and L.A. scenes, shops, etc.! I received TONS of postive e-mail from you guys, and I'm even more excited about jetting out this hell-hole for 2 weeks now:) Actually, Dallas isn't THAT bad...hell, we are lucky to even HAVE a scene in this state, considering the fact that we have to fight an on-going battle against the conservatism that surrounds us daily. Gotta jet--trying to update the on-line D-Raves section and add some LIFE to this city! I will probably e-mail some of you again once I know exactly when I'm heading your way:) Take Care!!!! Sending Divine-Ultra-Mint-Full-of-Love-Positive-Groovilicious Vibes Your Way, Anastazia (aka Ana5, The Vibe-y One) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 20:20:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA24311; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:20:07 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA24281; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:19:59 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA18208; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:20:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:20:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: "Eric P. Peterson" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Rallying support for Karen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Ms. Karen H.- I only hope that what ever you are going through right now will resolve it's with ease!:). We all love ya here in the bay and can't wait to see your hyper self again. You'll always have a place to stay:). take care- love- Reagan On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Eric P. Peterson wrote: > Hey, everybody! > > Our wonderful sister, Karen Hardie, is going through extremely > intense, overwhelmingly bad times right now. I think she could use some > love and positive energy. Anyone got some to spare? > > Love, > > Eric > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 20:37:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA25840; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:37:16 -0700 Received: from franklin.CS.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA25835; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:37:14 -0700 Received: (from joshk@localhost) by franklin.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA04435; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:37:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:37:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh Kneubuhl To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Gateway Camping Trip Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi, everyone! (It's Nancy). I haven't seen anyone posting about Gateway's upcoming camping trip in the Sierras!! This sounds beautiful - I hope people are going because Josh and I will definitely be there. I tragically missed Tribal Future (and I'm still pouting). But the wilderness is calling out to me...I swore to myself I would commune with nature this summer (beyond exploring the trees on campus!). Fourth of July in a small town, tripping on the natives and the culture. It's amazing that within the borders of our state you can travel to so many different worlds. I think Grass Valley, CA will be a far cry from my little hometown of Los Angeles. And after visiting the folks we're heading up the mountain on Saturday for Gateway... Let this be a plea to everyone to consider camping this looong week-end. I want to see happy faces up there! Love, Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 21:08:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA28095; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:08:34 -0700 Received: from dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA28089; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:08:31 -0700 Received: from localhost by dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15982; Mon, 1 Jul 96 23:07:09 CDT Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:07:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Aleph One To: Josh Kneubuhl Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Gateway Camping Trip In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Josh Kneubuhl wrote: > Hi, everyone! (It's Nancy). I haven't seen anyone posting about Gateway's > upcoming camping trip in the Sierras!! This sounds beautiful - I hope > people are going because Josh and I will definitely be there. I tragically > missed Tribal Future (and I'm still pouting). But the wilderness is calling out > to me...I swore to myself I would commune with nature this summer (beyond > exploring the trees on campus!). > > Fourth of July in a small town, tripping on the natives and the culture. > It's amazing that within the borders of our state you can travel to so > many different worlds. I think Grass Valley, CA will be a far cry from my little hometown of Los > Angeles. And after visiting the folks we're heading up the mountain on > Saturday for Gateway... Amen! You are so correct. This is one beautifull state. There is so much to see, so much to do, and so many people to meet. > Let this be a plea to everyone to consider camping this looong week-end. > I want to see happy faces up there! Coutn me in. Still trying to convince some more folks to go up with me. Hmm.. need to remember to buy a sleeping bag. > Love, Nancy > Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 21:09:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA28210; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:09:53 -0700 Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA28204; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:09:50 -0700 Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA08479; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: gateway full moon went off To: Happy Ravers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk just an amazing party. surrounded by nature in all directions, with the sound starting around 3 am we were an island in the middle of nowhere - celebrating the full moon overhead beaming us with lite energy. that morning dj fell into a groove with awsome house with just enough acid undertones to make this trance head dance right up to the last record. thanks gateway for an incredible morning. also much appreciation to brian for taking me, to larry ching for the bannanna, and everyone else who gathered there. energy, tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 21:51:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA01892; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:51:07 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA01883; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:51:02 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA18202; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:51:05 -0700 Received: from DAVID (davidt.vip.best.com [206.86.91.220]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA02715; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:50:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199607020450.VAA02715@shellx.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Davidt" To: Karen Hardie Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:50:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Gays & raves, does it matter!? Reply-to: DAVIDt@best.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:32:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: Karen Hardie > To: "Tim (Knucklehead)" > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com > Subject: Re: Gays & raves, does it matter!? > hooray for you! :) i know a LOT of guys who wouldn't be willing to > change their concept of gays. It saddens me, but oh well. > > And you're right - why does it matter who gets up to what? i don't go to > raves looking for bedmates, and i would hope that isn't first on most > ravers' lists. > > > peace > k > > Thanks for your replies to my discussion on Gays at Raves. I have been having a blast recently and haven't had much time to respond but there were a few that really caught my eye....my whole idea for the gays at raves discussion was not for the reason of being able to find bed fellows. If I want to go out for sex there are any number of clubs or bars I could go to. What I am talking about is merely finding more gay people who enjoy the rave scene as much as everyone else. Everyone is entitled to feel like they belong and if you feel like you are the only gay person then no matter how good the music and vibe you are not going to have as good a time as you might. Is it not a human trait to seek out others who are alike? Would you enjoy the rave as much if you didn't find others with your interests? Even though you don't go looking for bed fellows isn't it nice to know that there is always that chance that you may find a partner with the shared enjoyment of the rave culture? I love the openess of raves and the fact that it is so enjoyable to make new friends without thinking they are trying to pick you up or that they are presuming that you are trying to pick them up. I have met some of the coolest, nicest and most loving people in this environment. It would be way cool if there were more gays at raves too. Thats all. Thanks for all your replies, keep them coming. Lots of love David From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 21:51:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA01921; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:51:17 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA01916; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:51:14 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA18230; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:51:17 -0700 Received: from DAVID (davidt.vip.best.com [206.86.91.220]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA02799; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:51:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199607020451.VAA02799@shellx.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Davidt" To: Josh Kneubuhl Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:50:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Gateway Camping Trip Reply-to: DAVIDt@best.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I will be at the Gateway weekend party. If Tribal Future was anything to go by then this will be another weekend to remember. Nearly my whole crew will be there, the soon to be wed Keith & Pip, my Brother Matthew with the constant smile, Mark, Gary and Kevin to name but a few. We will be indulging ourselves in the pleasures of new friends, continuing the journey with old ones and lots of circles of love. And who knows what else. Gotta love those four day weekends. Dave. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 21:51:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA01998; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:51:52 -0700 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA01988; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:51:47 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA20927; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:51:51 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607020451.VAA20927@netcom23.netcom.com> Subject: RE: gateway full moon went off To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:51:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1411 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Recently, Tom Leichardt posted: > Subject: gateway full moon went off > > surrounded by nature in all directions, with the sound starting around 3 > am we were an island in the middle of nowhere - celebrating the full moon > overhead beaming us with lite energy. Right around 3PM I was driving around looking for an all-night store that had insect repellent. I finally ask for directions from the clerk at a 24hour porno store ( nice guy! ). Someone bought some too, so we ended up with plently. > that morning dj fell into a groove with awsome house with just enough acid > undertones to make this trance head dance right up to the last record. DJ Deaks. For some of his set , I found a nice sunlit patch to dance in, with the sunlight filtering orange through my eyelids. > thanks gateway for an incredible morning. Me too! Especially with the story I heard about their initial transport breakdown problems. > also much appreciation to brian for taking me, to larry ching for the > bannanna, Yer welcome! > and everyone else who gathered there. Nice small but very friendly crowd - many folks from Tahoe and Sacramento? About 30 folks. Intimate I'm still tired from it, after sleeping almost 6 hours today. Maybe I'll post a longer , more personal review later, or just let this one stand. Good night again ... Larry ( 9:52 PM Monday ) / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 22:12:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA03413; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:12:34 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA03408; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:12:31 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0uaxlK-00025UC; Mon, 1 Jul 96 22:12 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:12:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: THANK YOU ALL!!!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow ... Eric ... man! and everyone!!! thank you sooo so much for your emails :) i was completely blown away. I just sat here in front of my computer laughing and crying all at the same time .... i was SOO touched! *snif* man do i ever wish i lived in SF .... you'll all have to come up here and visit me (but not all at the same time!!!) i don't really know what to say *glow* i'm speechless. You guys have made my night. :) :) :) completely dribbling, k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 1 23:04:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA06918; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:04:46 -0700 Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA06909; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:04:42 -0700 Received: from tuna.hooked.net (moonpup@tuna.hooked.net [206.80.6.42]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA28107; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:04:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by tuna.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA22293; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607020604.XAA22293@tuna.hooked.net> To: Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: Gays & raves, does it matter!? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jul 1, 1996 9:50:10 PM at Davidt wrote: >> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:32:00 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Karen Hardie >> To: "Tim (Knucklehead)" >> Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com >> Subject: Re: Gays & raves, does it matter!? > >> hooray for you! :) i know a LOT of guys who wouldn't be willing to >> change their concept of gays. It saddens me, but oh well. >> >> And you're right - why does it matter who gets up to what? i don't go to >> raves looking for bedmates, and i would hope that isn't first on most >> ravers' lists. >> >> >> peace >> k >> >> >Thanks for your replies to my discussion on Gays at Raves. I have >been having a blast recently and haven't had much time to respond but >there were a few that really caught my eye....my whole idea for the >gays at raves discussion was not for the reason of being able to >find bed fellows. If I want to go out for sex there are any number of >clubs or bars I could go to. > >What I am talking about is merely finding more gay people who enjoy >the rave scene as much as everyone else. Everyone is entitled to feel >like they belong and if you feel like you are the only gay person >then no matter how good the music and vibe you are not going to have >as good a time as you might. > >Is it not a human trait to seek out others who are alike? >Would you enjoy the rave as much if you didn't find others with your interests? >Even though you don't go looking for bed fellows isn't it nice to know that >there is always that chance that you may find a partner with the shared >enjoyment of the rave culture? > >I love the openess of raves and the fact that it is so enjoyable to >make new friends without thinking they are trying to pick you up or >that they are presuming that you are trying to pick them up. I have >met some of the coolest, nicest and most loving people in this >environment. It would be way cool if there were more gays at raves >too. Thats all. > >Thanks for all your replies, keep them coming. > >Lots of love > > >David > > Great reply David! How are you? ..and the gang? I hear your brother met Jess on Friday. She loved your place. How did you like the Gay Pride Parade? Any wild after parties? I had a great time... hot as hell, though. Renaud, Me, Jess and Jess' mother celebrated a special day for Jess' mother who is gay. Also thought of my gay friends back in DC and here in San Francisco, you included. Are you going to ComeUnity Wednesday? Seems like everybody is going. --erik **IMPORTANT! READ DISCLAIMER** These words were NOT written by moonpup He's in London until late August ...and I'm ERIK. I'll be using his address until then Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK or drop me a line... 415-337-6666 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 00:03:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA13327; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:03:08 -0700 Received: from terra.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA13322; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:03:03 -0700 Received: from [205.134.228.115] (ppp115-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.115]) by terra.sirius.com (8.6.12/960421) with SMTP id AAA29897; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:03:06 -0700 X-Sender: sddpw@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:02:53 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: sddpw@sirius.com (Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works) Subject: underground support networks Cc: eidrah@vanbc.wimsey.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is tangentially related to Karen's troubles, only because I was thinking about it this weekend. I only know of two national, "underground communities", those being DeadHeads and Radical Faeries. No matter where you go in the U.S., you can always find them, and they will always put you up for the night, find someone who might be able to help you with a bigger problem, etc. Its a comforting and amazing thing to have, especially for people who have lost their "natural" support network, for one reason or another. So when I see things like all the posts offering Karen Hardie words of encouragement and hope (and all the other things, like people on the list getting jobs, flats, sharing rides) I am FULL OF GLEE that now I know of a third underground community. And not to take anything way from Karen, my legal sweatshop sister in arms, whatever it is, I am glad that all the kind thoughts and words are helping you through. Sometimes it ain't much, but yet, sometimes a kind word is all I need to get me through. I don't have a great quote or anything, but I hope you find the strength and courage to pull through. At least for me, whenever I have had to struggle through major, nasty shit, I have come out on the other side a better person. enough of my senseless ramblings..... arkay From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 00:26:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA14652; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:26:55 -0700 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA14647; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:26:52 -0700 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA16236; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:26:42 -0700 Received: from hacksaw.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA08078; Tue, 2 Jul 96 00:26:41 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 00:26:41 PDT From: timb@nit.AirTouch.COM (Tim Beauchamp) Message-Id: <9607020726.AA08078@nit.AirTouch.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, sddpw@sirius.com Subject: Re: underground support networks Cc: eidrah@vanbc.wimsey.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk arkay wrote: > I don't have a great quote or anything, but I hope you find the strength > and courage to pull through. At least for me, whenever I have had to > struggle through major, nasty shit, I have come out on the other side a > better person. "That which does not kill us, makes us stronger" - Nietsche For a complacent pessimist such as myself, this helps--though it doesn't seem as comforting as they way arkay put it. Tim From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 01:54:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA20553; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:54:53 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA20544; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:54:50 -0700 Received: from [206.15.68.48] (pm1-ppp48.well.com [206.15.68.48]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id BAA21288 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607020854.BAA21288@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:57:05 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Now in Amarillo Texas Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings from Amarillo... It's 3:30 am here, driving through and discovered that they got a 24 hour Kinko's and local access, so I get to check my Email one more time. I finally got cought up on all my SFRaves messages which I read while Radion was doing the driving. Oh yea, I already put up the Sedona pictures of some amazing scenery, so go up to my WEB site and check it out. Go to Latest Changes and start from there, or also go to PLAY button and the link is at the top. http://www.well.com/user/crunch Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 07:40:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA21792; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:40:53 -0700 Received: from biology.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA21784; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:40:50 -0700 From: ecoman@darwin.UCSC.EDU Received: from localhost (ecoman@localhost) by biology.ucsc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id HAA10312 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:39:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:39:16 -0700 (PDT) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: (Non-Rave) I need a place to live! bay or S. Bay area In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all you ravers out there. Well I am finally going to be getting out of Santa Cruz, not that this is really a great thing, but I am sure that the bay area will provide me with more than enough to do. I have to leave because I have a new job in Burlingame and cannot afford the commute as it destroys my car and the gas is really expensive. So here is the deal. I can pay up to $600.00/month for a place. I really am shooting for a place that I really like (safe, W/D, REALLY FUN PEOPLE, and responsible too, etc.) over a cheep place. So if any one needs a house/apartment/flat mate please let me know. You can e-mail me at ecoman@megabios.com or to darwin.ucsc.edu. BTW I'm 23 year male, long brown hair, vegitarian, N/S, into molecular biology (this is what I do at a biotech company) And I need to move in ASAP, but my place in Santa Cruz will kick me out at the end of the month (this is when we gave them our month's notice). Well thanks everyone. Love and hugs. Steve From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 08:47:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA27416; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:47:23 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA27406; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:47:20 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA24743 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:46:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 08:44:11 PDT From: "THX1138" To: SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; Community is Wedesdy night and since there are no parties on the 4th of July that I can see on the calendar, I'll be celabrating by 4th of July B-Day on the very early morning of the 4th at 1015b Folsum. Hope to see alot of you there, peace & love. Peace THX-1138 ------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Nation Wide Date: 7/2/96 Time: 8:44:11 AM ------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 09:21:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA00630; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:21:07 -0700 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA00620; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:21:03 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA27296; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:21:05 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607021621.JAA27296@netcom10.netcom.com> Subject: Why Go To Burning Man? (SRR) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Cc: wpenna@aol.com, MaryP76944@aol.com, larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2529 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to SFRaves,Will,Mary ] Subject:Why Go To Burning Man? [Somewhat Rave Related][longish] While I was at Getway's Blue Moon on Monday morning, I did some thinking about personal issues. One of the things I concluded was that I shouldn't go to Burning Man after all. ( Even though I've already bought two admissions ). Reasons are: 1. I don't like camping anyway. I never was someone who looked forward to or initiated any camping trips. I have attended some as part of a group, and enjoyed them. But my natural instinct is to keep the heck out of nature. Strangley enough, I make exceptions for raves on the beach. I think this may have to do wih growing up in Hawaii and enjoying the ocean. Also, most beach raves are , at the most , 2 hours from home, while most campout raves are multi-day and far away. 1.a A new thought - maybe, since I grew up in a humid , life-abundant enviroment, the harshness and sterility desert may be an especially scaret environment to me. However , I'm at the age (41) where I've already had my share of initiatory/face-your-fear experiences - so why do I need another one? 2. Since I don't normally camp, I have no camping gear except for a sleeping bag. No tent, stove, compass, etc. All would have to be bought or rented. 3. Uncreativity. I get the idea that Burning Man participants should be part of a group working on a creative project for display to the other attendees of Burning Man. So far, I have not come up with any project except little personal things that no one else would understand or appreciate. I haven't gotten any fresh information about the projects that other SFRaves are working on to present at BM - what's planned/in planning? Maybe if I was part of a "crew" , I'd be more motivated. 4. Time. Part of me feels that the large chunk of time I'd be taking to attend Burning Man would be better applied to upgrading my job skills, as I do want to leave the company I'm working for now ( and I'm typing this at work too! ). Maybe it's time to make some sacrifices to achieve the goal of improve hirablitiy. Whew! Sorry for all the verbiage! Well, if anyone could give me some suggestions one way or another ( Go To BM/Don't Go To BM ), I'd appreciate it. Since this topic is only vaguely rave-related ( I know that at least one crew is going to hold a rave at BM ) , please email me with your suggestions - OOps! here comes the boss! Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 09:24:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA01039; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:24:05 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA00975; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:23:52 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA26152 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:23:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 08:54:58 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: Gateway Systems To: SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Gateway & SFRaves; I alluded to some neagtive things about Gateway Systems a while back, that weren't very complimentary, and I just wanted to say that I was wrong, and that I'm sorry. Being a person in my position, it's difficult sometime to see the truth when I get so much conflicting information from so many unreliable & malicious people. Peace THX-1138 ------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Nation Wide Date: 7/2/96 Time: 8:54:58 AM ------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 09:24:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA01059; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:24:10 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA01003; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:23:57 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA26161 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:23:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 09:19:52 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: RE: Gay Day To: SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; I got up late; what else is new and missed the parade; however I did end up driving around the Castro for my frist Gay Day. I've never before seen such community anywhere I've been so far on the planet; and yet I didn't feel like an outsider; I felt welcome and accepted. I love you all from a place of my own fear, and enevy your freedom. Peace THX-1138 ------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Nation Wide Date: 7/2/96 Time: 9:19:52 AM ------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 09:24:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA01071; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:24:12 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA00997; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:23:56 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA26155; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:23:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 09:17:51 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: underground support networks To: Tim Beauchamp , SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Tim; I disagree with Neitsche for sometimes death can make a person's spirit imortal and very powerful. Peace THX-1138 --- On Tue, 2 Jul 96 00:26:41 PDT Tim Beauchamp wrote: >"That which does not kill us, makes us stronger" - Nietsche ------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Nation Wide Date: 7/2/96 Time: 9:17:51 AM ------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 09:26:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA01409; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:26:48 -0700 Received: from toaster by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA01400; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:26:44 -0700 Received: from waffle.berksys.com by toaster via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI) id JAA23869; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:24:09 -0700 Received: from [192.216.218.207] (mactech.berksys.com [192.216.218.207]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA12534; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:23:11 -0700 X-Sender: cohara@mail.Berksys.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:26:59 -0800 To: "THX1138" From: Cohara@Berksys.com (KironO) Subject: Re: Community and 4 July Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello All, (and a special hello to THX1138 : fellow Cancerian) I, too am going to community on Wed.night (3rd) to celebrate MY 4th of JULY birthday. I would LOVE to celebrate with some of you. You can buy water for myself and THX all night :-) I beleive there may be a party July 4, but want to/have to check out come unity. Peace, Ciaran >Dear All; > > Community is Wedesdy night and since there are no parties on the >4th of >July that I can see on the calendar, I'll be celabrating by 4th of July >B-Day on >the very early morning of the 4th at 1015b Folsum. Hope to see alot of you >there, peace & love. > >Peace >THX-1138 >------------------------------------- >Name: THX-1138 >E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com >Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Nation Wide >Date: 7/2/96 >Time: 8:44:11 AM >------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 09:42:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA02861; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:42:07 -0700 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA02851; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:42:03 -0700 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA21576; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:42:01 -0700 Received: from hacksaw.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA11216; Tue, 2 Jul 96 09:41:59 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 09:41:58 PDT From: timb@nit.AirTouch.COM (Tim Beauchamp) Message-Id: <9607021641.AA11216@nit.AirTouch.COM> To: timb@nit.AirTouch.COM, sfraves@hyperreal.com, THX1138@planet-jubip.com Subject: Re: underground support networks Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk THX-1138, There is nothing said by the statement about that which does kill us--i.e., you don't necesarily disagree with him (at least not in this context.) > Dear Tim; > > I disagree with Neitsche for sometimes death can make a person's spirit > imortal and very powerful. > > Peace > THX-1138 > > --- On Tue, 2 Jul 96 00:26:41 PDT Tim Beauchamp wrote: > > >"That which does not kill us, makes us stronger" - Nietsche Tim From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 09:48:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03607; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:48:37 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA03600; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:48:33 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA06552 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:46:41 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA16929; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:48:33 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA23131; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:48:30 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:49:04 -0700 To: timb@nit.airtouch.com (Tim Beauchamp) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: underground support networks Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine! >THX-1138, > >There is nothing said by the statement about that which does kill us--i.e., >you don't necesarily disagree with him (at least not in this context.) > >> Dear Tim; >> >> I disagree with Neitsche for sometimes death can make a person's >>spirit >> imortal and very powerful. >> >> Peace >> THX-1138 >> >> --- On Tue, 2 Jul 96 00:26:41 PDT Tim Beauchamp >>wrote: >> >> >"That which does not kill us, makes us stronger" - Nietsche > >Tim From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 09:49:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03772; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:49:32 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA03763; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:49:29 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA06642 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:47:38 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA17056 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:49:30 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA23420 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:49:27 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:50:00 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: FW: lexicons of the 90's Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >From: WILCOX_KEVIN/SCLA_OMSRV1@amat.com >X-Openmail-Hops: 1 >Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 09:23:28 -0700 >Subject: FW: lexicons of the 90's >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: epaul@synopsys.com, HAUSSERMANN_JOHN/SCLA_OMSRV1@amat.com, > JOHNSON_PAULA/SCLA_OMSRV1@amat.com, WOLFE_KAREN/SCLA_OMSRV1@amat.com > > >---------- >From: tammy.taylor >To: beth; shell; 'Dusty'; deverman; ethomas; 'ErichS'; esysak; eric; >efoss; robertsg1; 'Geoff'; etnire; ijshen; 'Jasman'; jasm.miq; >jdiamond; jeffreyb; jrt; 'JoeS'; jbs; jwojick; 'Karl'; karltrek; >kmcesq; ketnire; wilcox.kevin; lanceh2662; mdevincenzi; michaels; >mikej; randi; rzimmerer; 'Ron'; rscapero; samkren; 'Shaham'; sparvin; >susan; krein >Cc: jim.salter; Pati Desrochers; pati.desrochers; Roger Brown; >roger.brown; Paul Tindle; paul.tindle; Kevin Morishige; kevin.morishige >Subject: FW: lexicons of the 90's >Date: Monday, July 01, 1996 10:46AM > >>LEXICONS OF THE 1990s >> >>ACCORDIONATED (ah kor' de on ay tid) adj. Being able to drive and refold a >>road map at the same time. >> >>AQUADEXTROUS (ak wa deks' trus) adj. Possessing the ability to turn the >>bathtub faucet on and off with your toes. >> >>AQUALIBRIUM (ak wa lib' re um) n. The point where the stream of drinking >>fountain water is at its perfect height, thus relieving the drinker from >>(a) >>having to suck the nozzle, or (b) squirting himself in the eye. >> >>BURGACIDE (burg' uh side) n. When a hamburger can't take any more torture >>and >>hurls itself through the grill into the coals. >> >>BUZZACKS (buz' aks) n. People in phone marts who walk around picking up >>display phones and listening for dial tones even when they know the phones >>are not connected. >> >>CARPERPETUATION (kar' pur pet u a shun) n. The act, when vacuuming, of >>running over a string or a piece of lint at least a dozen times, reaching >>over and picking it up, examining it, then putting it back down to give the >>vacuum one more chance. >> >>DIMP (dimp) N. A person who insults you in a cheap department store by >>asking, "Do you work here?" >> >>DISCONFECT (dis kon fekt') v. To sterilize the piece of candy you dropped >>on >>the floor by blowing on it, somehow assuming this will remove all the >>germs. >> >>ECNALUBMA (ek na lub' ma) n. A rescue vehicle which can only be seen in the >>rearview mirror. >> >>EIFFELITES (eye' ful eyetz) n. Gangly people sitting in front of you at the >>movies who, no matter what direction you lean in, follow suit. >> >>ELBONICS (el bon' iks) n. The actions of two people maneuvering for one >>armrest in a movie theater. >> >>ELECELLERATION (el a cel er ay' shun) n. The mistaken notion that the more >>you press an elevator button the faster it will arrive. >> >>FRUST (frust) n. The small line of debris that refuses to be swept onto the >>dust pan and keeps backing a person across the room until he finally >>decides >>to give up and sweep it under the rug. >> >>LACTOMANGULATION (lak' to man gyu lay' shun) n. Manhandling the "open here" >>spout on a milk container so badly that one has to resort to the illegal >>side. >> >>NEONPHANCY (ne on' fan see) n. A fluorescent light bulb struggling to come >>to >>life. >> >>PEPPIER (pehp ee ay') n. The waiter at a fancy restaurant whose sole >>purpose >>seems to be walking around asking diners if they want ground pepper. >> >>PETONIC (peh ton' ik) adj. One who is embarrassed to undress in front of a >>household pet. >> >>PHONESIA (fo nee' zhuh) n. The affliction of dialing a phone number and >>forgetting whom you were calling just as they answer. >> >>PUPKUS (pup' kus) n. The moist residue left on a window after a dog presses >>its nose to it. >> >>TELECRASTINATION (tel e kras tin ay' shun) n. The act of always letting the >>phone ring at least twice before you pick it up, even when you're only 6 >>inches (15 cm) away. >> >> > >Content-Type: application/x-openmail-1734; name="WINMAIL.DAT" > >Attachment converted: Led Zeppelin:WINMAIL.DAT (????/----) (00013AFC) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 09:50:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03900; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:50:55 -0700 Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA03889; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:50:51 -0700 Received: from Maxine.lewiston.com (ppp230.lewiston.com [204.227.174.230]) by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29965 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:59:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:59:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199607021659.JAA29965@mail-gw.fsr.net> X-Sender: tuskluv@mail.lewiston.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wowser Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey there! Me and a buddy are trippin' up to Portland, Oregon, for the Fourth of July (7-4-96). We were hoping to hear about some gatherings before we left. If anybody out there in WEB-land knows of some really positive-vibe places, please let us know. We don't do that dark thing at all! Nope, we just like the Love-vibe. You can drop a line via the SFRaves or send direct e-mail. Thanks so much. Godbless... Wowser & Taz (tuskluv@lewiston.com) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 10:10:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA05799; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:10:04 -0700 Received: from toaster by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA05783; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:10:01 -0700 Received: from waffle.berksys.com by toaster via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI) for id KAA26789; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:07:26 -0700 Received: from [192.216.218.207] (mactech.berksys.com [192.216.218.207]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA15125 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:06:29 -0700 X-Sender: cohara@mail.Berksys.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:10:16 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Cohara@Berksys.com (KironO) Subject: Gateway info please Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I just need the number and any info re : the gateway camping trip. I agree with Nancy and want to get out to the country for a couple days. I MAY need a ride, can anyone offer one if i pay for the gas ? Peace Ciaran From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 10:21:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA06694; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:21:49 -0700 Received: from toaster by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA06685; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:21:46 -0700 Received: from waffle.berksys.com by toaster via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI) for id KAA27717; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:19:11 -0700 Received: from [192.216.218.207] (mactech.berksys.com [192.216.218.207]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA15956 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:18:13 -0700 X-Sender: cohara@mail.Berksys.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:22:01 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Cohara@Berksys.com (KironO) Subject: Need job Post (NRR) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, Does anybody have the job spec for that graphic designer position that someone posted yesterday? I lost it when I was cleaning out my mailbox :-( Thanks KironO From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 10:33:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA07896; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:33:35 -0700 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA07890; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:33:31 -0700 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA044238792; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:33:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:33:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Why Go To Burning Man? (SRR) To: Larry Ching Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, wpenna@aol.com, MaryP76944@aol.com, Larry Ching In-Reply-To: <199607021621.JAA27296@netcom10.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Larry, There is no raver rule that says you MUST go to Burning Man. There are simply some people out there who do not like camping and the lack of modern conveniences. That doesn't make you a pariah, by any means. If I were in your shoes, I would just do what I want to do. What makes you happy. There is no sense in attending an event just cause everyone else is. You will probably not have a good time, because not only is it outdoors, but the weather can be rather extreme out there. Do what you feel is best for YOU. No one knows that better than yourself. love, Amy (check my new sig! I had to say bye to Bill the Cat!) |> | |\ | | \| |> Amy Starkey | \ | sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu <| |\ | .................................. | \| |> "Can't tell the real from reflection | \ | When all these faces look the same to me" <| |\ | | \| DURAN DURAN | .................................. <| From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 10:36:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA08319; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:36:57 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA08305; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:36:53 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.7) id KAA17694; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607021736.KAA17694@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Cohara@Berksys.com (KironO) From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Gateway info please Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Friday, July 5th - Gateway presents _Light Campout_ John Carel, Minor Mionor, Monty, James Dee, Ethan, Erika, Sean Murray, Alex, Joe Rice, Andrew, Consciousness Lab Collective, Rob, Claire. runs all weekend in the woods north of Placerville. Activities include hiking, swimming, dancing, biking, games... $15. Placerville. 415.536.9453 At 10:10 AM 7/2/96 -0800, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I just need the number and any info re : the gateway camping trip. >I agree with Nancy and want to get out to the country for a couple days. >I MAY need a ride, can anyone offer one if i pay for the gas ? > >Peace > >Ciaran > > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 10:44:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA09369; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:44:40 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA09348; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:44:35 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA354; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:44:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 10:41:10 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: Burning Man Details Needed To: Amy R Starkey , SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; & Hi Amy; Does anyone have B-Man details so I can get off my thin, pale, white ass = > and get some tickets and reserve a Grand Wagoneer for the journey. Peace THX-1138 --- On Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Amy R Starkey wrote: >Larry, > >There is no raver rule that says you MUST go to Burning Man. There are >simply some people out there who do not like camping and the lack of >modern conveniences. That doesn't make you a pariah, by any means. > >If I were in your shoes, I would just do what I want to do. What makes >you happy. There is no sense in attending an event just cause everyone >else is. You will probably not have a good time, because not only is it >outdoors, but the weather can be rather extreme out there. > >Do what you feel is best for YOU. No one knows that better than yourself. > >love, >Amy (check my new sig! I had to say bye to > Bill the Cat!) > |> > | > |\ | > | \| |> Amy Starkey > | \ | sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu > <| |\ | .................................. > | \| |> "Can't tell the real from reflection > | \ | When all these faces look the same to me" > <| |\ | > | \| DURAN DURAN > | .................................. > <| > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Nation Wide Date: 7/2/96 Time: 10:41:10 AM ------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 10:49:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA09716; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:49:31 -0700 Received: from bass-station.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA09706; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:49:28 -0700 Received: from [207.76.139.151] by bass-station.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b11); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:44:16 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Ethan Miller Subject: Re: Gateway info please Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:44:16 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Camping trip is going to rock, last one was totally amazing... Plus, If I somehow manage to totally get my shit together between now and then, I may be playing my new (first actually!) track =) see ya there ethan -----------------------------( ethan miller )----------------------------- -------------------( http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/ )------------------- -------( you're only paranoid if they're not really watching you )-------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 11:03:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA11419; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:03:55 -0700 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA11407; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:03:50 -0700 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA080880630; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:03:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:03:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Wong Subject: Gateway question To: Sf Raves Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@Hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I was wondering is there any special ticket price for just going one day? I might go to Gateway, but the only day I can go is Saturday. Any help would be grateful. Lates From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 11:24:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA14380; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:24:44 -0700 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA14364; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:24:39 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA21695; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:24:38 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607021824.LAA21695@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Burning Man Details Needed To: THX1138@planet-jubip.com (THX1138) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "THX1138" at Jul 2, 96 10:41:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 320 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi Brian - Re Burning Man - try http://www.istorm.com/burningman be prepared to wait - their graphics are big and take a long time to download to your computer. Also - hotline number with touch-tone info menu (415)-985-7471. There is registration info there , and other info. Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 11:36:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA15531; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:36:21 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA15524; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:36:18 -0700 Received: (from dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA16843; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: Larry Ching cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, wpenna@aol.com, MaryP76944@aol.com, Larry Ching Subject: Re: Why Go To Burning Man? (SRR) In-Reply-To: <199607021621.JAA27296@netcom10.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah, even though I'm a former boy scout turned drug scout, I don't much care for camping either. Add to the fact that I'm addicted to cafinee and Burning Man could become an ugly detox situation, even so I'm going. There aren't that many rites of passage for white people in america. You have your high school experience, your driver's licence at 16, TJ at 18, beer from 7-11 on your 21st birthday, your first drug deal, senior prom, graduation, but no real growing experiences like taking peyote from your den leader and establishing a relationship with your god. I'm fortunate that I live in a city where on almost any night of the week I can go out and have a meaningful experience on the dancefloor with like-minded people. That's what it means to be a local. Part of the appeal of Burning Man, for me at least, is the quest. I've all these goals that I've set for myself, like growing dreadlocks or working for George Lucas, and part of the fun is working to make that happen. Right now I'm on a quest to find which of my friends really do have their shit together, a quest for sleaping bags & tents to borrow, a quest to find someone to sit in for me on that first day of class that I plan to be spending roasting in a Disneyland for weirdos. I know so many people that are going. Santa Cruz people, City people, High School people, people who are spinning, Dorm people, people who went last year, State people. At the moment I'm still a student person, I go to The State and as a result have far to much free time on my hands. 2 years from now I'll probablly be a real person with real obligations who woun't be able to afford dropping everything to go play make believe for 4 some days. I may not even be a raver 2 years from now, but for now I'm gonna rage. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 11:52:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA16903; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:52:32 -0700 Received: from mercury.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA16895; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:52:29 -0700 Received: from apollo (sunkim@apollo.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.167]) by mercury.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA15201 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Sun Kim X-Sender: sunkim@apollo To: SFRaves Subject: Re: Song ID (new one!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey lope, I'm sure there's more than one song out that says "the house of god".. but one song i have on a cd comp. called Techno Truth Vol. 1 (Moonshine, 1992) might be the one you're looking for. It is by DHS called "House of God" I believe I saw the vinyl at Reckless Records a few months ago. if you're looking for the cd comp. try any tower records or streetlight. sm:)in' sun the house of god.. i am excited.. the house of god.. fifty dollars or more you gotta believe in something why not believe in me? On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Jackalope wrote: > Its really super quiet trance-ish stuff and the only thing is says and > repeats the whole time is "the house of god." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 12:57:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA23292; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:57:56 -0700 Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA23286; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:57:53 -0700 From: Anastazia5@aol.com Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA26844 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:58:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:58:29 -0400 Message-ID: <960702155820_147624166@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fwd: A BIGGGGG Thank You:) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This got returned back to me the first time, so I'm trying again....sorry if it gets double-posted:) --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: A BIGGGGG Thank You:) Date: 96-07-01 23:03:09 EDT From: Anastazia5 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com CC: Anastazia5 Just wanna thank everyone who sent me info regarding the SF and L.A. scenes, shops, etc.! I received TONS of postive e-mail from you guys, and I'm even more excited about jetting out this hell-hole for 2 weeks now:) Actually, Dallas isn't THAT bad...hell, we are lucky to even HAVE a scene in this state, considering the fact that we have to fight an on-going battle against the conservatism that surrounds us daily. Gotta jet--trying to update the on-line D-Raves section and add some LIFE to this city! I will probably e-mail some of you again once I know exactly when I'm heading your way:) Take Care!!!! Sending Divine-Ultra-Mint-Full-of-Love-Positive-Groovilicious Vibes Your Way, Anastazia (aka Ana5, The Vibe-y One) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 12:59:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA23543; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:59:38 -0700 Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA23534; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:59:34 -0700 From: Anastazia5@aol.com Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA14614 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:58:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:58:57 -0400 Message-ID: <960702155832_346714183@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fwd: TXRAVES: Olympic Torch Route Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just a bit of entertaining/interesting reading......enjoy:) Take Care of Yourself and of Others!!! Ana5 --------------------- Forwarded message: From: joker@tdkt.org (Scott Anderson) Sender: owner-txraves@io.com Reply-to: joker@tdkt.org (Scott Anderson) To: txraves@io.com Date: 96-07-02 14:14:32 EDT This list is great. The subbing info is at the bottom of this. My two faves are numbers 3 and 2. :) b *************************** This one comes from David Hull down under in Australia... The Top 15 Problems Encountered Along the Olympic Torch Route -------------------------------------------------------------- 15) Forward progress hampered by slow moving white Bronco. 14) Torch commandeered in Waco by over-zealous ATF agents. 13) One *really* pissed off Smokey the Bear. 12) Budget cuts cause torch to be replaced by less-than-dependable Bic lighter. 11) Difficulty getting melted marshmellows off torch after "s'mores" party got out of hand. 10) Running 7 miles before realizing the torch is still on top of the urinal at the last rest stop. 9) First-degree burns to runners unfamiliar with how to "receive the baton." 8) Jim Bob, lying in wait on the outskirts of Memphis with a case of Bud and a supersoaker. 7) Rosie Ruiz takes flame in NYC -- appears 30 minutes later in Atlanta. 6) Drive-by goosings. 5) Torchbearers driven insane by repeated playing of the "Chariots of Fire" theme. 4) Torch-jackings in urban areas. 3) Crazed hippie terrorists replace Olympic Torch with new Olympic Bong. 2) Male runners repeatedly get lost and refuse to stop for directions. and the Number 1 Problem Encountered Along the Olympic Torch Route... 1) Obnoxious drunks who run up and yell, "No, I meant a BUD light!" \=/, _-===-_-====-_-===-_-==========-_-====-_ | @___oo ( Joke of the Day! )_ /\ /\ / (___,,,}_--= ) ) /^\) ^\/ _) =__ To be added or deleted, send e-mail ) ) /^\/ _) (_ To: majordomo@gnt.com ) ) _ / / _) ( ) /\ )/\/ || | )_) (_ In the body of the message, type ) < > |(,,) )__) ( the words SUBSCRIBE JOKE ) || / \)___)\ (_ or UNSUBSCRIBE JOKE __) | \____( )___) )___ -==-_____-=====-_____-=====-___== \______(_______;;; __;;; --- þ TLX 4.10 þ ... Don't be superstitious. It's bad luck... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 13:10:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA24707; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:10:39 -0700 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA24686; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:10:34 -0700 Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id NAA15119; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:10:08 -0700 Received: from zacson61.EBay.Sun.COM by Ebay.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA03924; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:10:04 -0700 Received: by zacson61.EBay.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16278; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:11:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:11:45 -0700 From: Nicole.Glover@Ebay.Sun.COM (Nikki Glover) Message-Id: <9607022011.AA16278@zacson61.EBay.Sun.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Dr.Suess Cc: Nicole.Glover@Ebay.Sun.COM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I thought everyone would enjoy this..... __________ __________/VVVVVVVVVV\ /VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV| /VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV/ /VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV/ |VVVV^^^^^^^^^^^^ | | vvvvvv\ | vvvvvvvVVVVVVVVVVVVVV/ |/VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV| |VVVVVVV^^^^^^^^^^ | |V/ \ | vvvvvvvvvvvvv| \ /VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV\ \/VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV\____ |VVVVVVVV^^^^^^^^^^___________) |\__|/ _____ //-------- \\xx/ | xx\ /%%%%/// __ __ \\ \ \_xxx %%%% / / \ / \ | / \x%%%% ((0) ) ((0) ) | / #/|%%%% \__/ \__/ \__ ______------- \#/ |%%%% @@ \/ _/%%%% |_____ ________/|%%%% | -----___ ----- |%%%% \___ __/ ___/\%%%% / --________________// __---- \%%%% ___/ / \%%%% _/ \%%%% _/ \%%%% / \%% | |%% | Pamela ----- End Included Message ----- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 13:14:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA25126; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:14:51 -0700 Received: from locusts.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA25119; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:14:47 -0700 Received: (from dlb@localhost) by locusts.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA15555; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:14:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@locusts.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: Gateway Blue Moon Party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Joe Rice wrote: > Erm, there were some logistical problems (it was to have started at 1am), > but it did happen, albeit not until about 4 or 4:30 am. Here's something for everyone that believes the full moon screws up everything. Three vans all broke down that night and it would never have happened if some kind soul didn't pipe up and give the system a ride and then sit through the mosiqutoes to give it a ride home. Citranola oil for tiki torches is a must for locations like that, next thing on my list to bring to EVERY outdoor party? dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 13:50:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA29380; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:50:59 -0700 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA29348; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:50:51 -0700 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA01101; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:48:40 -0700 From: Marisa Giancarla Message-Id: <199607022048.NAA01101@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: Gay Day To: THX1138@planet-jubip.com (THX1138) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: from "THX1138" at Jul 2, 96 09:19:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 834 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya THX... > I got up late; what else is new and missed the parade; however I did end > up driving around the Castro for my frist Gay Day. I've never before seen such > community anywhere I've been so far on the planet; and yet I didn't feel like an > outsider; I felt welcome and accepted. I love you all from a place of my own > fear, and enevy your freedom. If you were at the festivities at the end of the parade route, did you happen to see me? I was the one who was topless with the words "If you're butch, I'm available" inked onto my fairly large, er, gazongas. :-) There was some more cool stuff down by the fountain where a whole group of people were playing & swimming in the water nude until they were chased out by the "safety" people... Sigh... to be able to go out in public like that every day... Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 14:50:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA05956; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:50:45 -0700 Received: from softway95.softway.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA05948; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:50:42 -0700 Received: (from rw@localhost) by softway95.softway.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20425 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:48:40 -0700 From: Renaud Waldura Message-Id: <199607022148.OAA20425@softway95.softway.com> Subject: Re: Why Go To Burning Man? (SRR) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:48:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199607021621.JAA27296@netcom10.netcom.com> from "Larry Ching" at Jul 2, 96 09:21:05 am Reply-to: rw@softway.com Organization: Softway, Inc. (San Francisco) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 944 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Larry Ching: > > 3. Uncreativity. I get the idea that Burning Man participants should be > part of a group working on a creative project for display to the other > attendees of Burning Man. > I haven't gotten any fresh information about the projects that > other SFRaves are working on to present at BM - what's planned/in > planning? Maybe if I was part of a "crew" , I'd be more motivated. If BM is a _show_, does a rave really fit the purpose of the event? Is our dance enough to create a "performance" as expected for BM? I've been told that raves might actually not be _so_ welcomed at BM, because they "take" more than they "give", which doesn't fit the deep spirit of the event. This is a very deep criticism of our scene, and is actually the only thing which would prevent me to attend, if my presence as only a raver is considered unfriendly to the event. How do the others feel about that? Renaud From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 15:06:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA07607; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:06:30 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA07596; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:06:27 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA22136 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:04:38 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA14497 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:06:28 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA26442 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:06:23 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:06:57 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: RE: Gay Day Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hope that all the straights who attended the events in the City were welcomed, and not resented, feared, etc., just for being straight. Some of us are not a threat to anyone. Part of the reason (a VERY small part) that I didn't attend was that I felt my presence might not be wanted, or that I might be confronted with a situation with which I'd be uncomfortable (I've been approached before, and it frightened me). Does anyone understand what I'm saying? Any thoughts? Please be kind :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 15:11:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA08255; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:11:58 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA08250; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:11:54 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id PAA06359; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:11:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199607022211.PAA06359@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: Why Go To Burning Man? (SRR) To: rw@softway.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607022148.OAA20425@softway95.softway.com> from "Renaud Waldura" at Jul 2, 96 02:48:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Larry Ching: > > > > 3. Uncreativity. I get the idea that Burning Man participants should be > > part of a group working on a creative project for display to the other > > attendees of Burning Man. > > I haven't gotten any fresh information about the projects that > > other SFRaves are working on to present at BM - what's planned/in > > planning? Maybe if I was part of a "crew" , I'd be more motivated. > > > If BM is a _show_, does a rave really fit the purpose of the event? > Is our dance enough to create a "performance" as expected for BM? > > I've been told that raves might actually not be _so_ welcomed at > BM, because they "take" more than they "give", which doesn't fit the > deep spirit of the event. With several thousand people attending, I doubt it will be the ravers taking and not giving... > This is a very deep criticism of our scene, and is actually the only > thing which would prevent me to attend, if my presence as only a > raver is considered unfriendly to the event. > > How do the others feel about that? I don't think ravers will be considered BM unfriendly. I think ravers know better than anyone what it means to engage in a spiritual, ritualistic pagan celebration. I think if anyone will be not welcome at BM are the people who drink way to much beer and say "Hey, we are in the middle of the desert, we can do whatever we frickin' want" and proceed to drive their car at 100 mph in the middle of the night through the main camp, take photos/videos/gawk at nude people, litter, do donuts, you get my drift. Plurry ravers in the desert have resulted in some of my most intense experiences as a human on Planet Earth at serveral Moontribes in socal. I think ravers will *make* BM the cool party the promoters envision. I can't imagine that party being half as good without us. $.02 -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 15:33:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA10656; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:33:05 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA10641; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:33:02 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA05060 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:31:31 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA03784 for Sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:25:17 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Drummer wanted (NRR) Date: 02 Jul 1996 22:15:59 GMT Message-Id: <19394526.41206166@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello and please foward to any appropriate lists and/or mail groups..... I have a bunch ole peoples here that need a drummer for thier kick ass band. It's a female singer based alternative hard rock that's been around since 94' and have been giging in the bay area for 2yrs.... The person should be in the SF / peninnsula / SJ area... Please be dedicated, serious, good and round' 21- 35 ageish range... Inquries can be directed to me. or Jkuppinger@compattic.com Thanks! "dance with me...." -Adam ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 15:49:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA12249; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:49:46 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA12241; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:49:42 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id PAA09146; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:49:39 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199607022211.PAA06359@xanadu.cyborganic.net> References: <199607022148.OAA20425@softway95.softway.com> from "Renaud Waldura" at Jul 2, 96 02:48:39 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:49:36 -0800 To: Troy Sheets , rw@softway.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Why Go To Burning Man? (SRR) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 3:11 PM -0700 7/2/96, Troy Sheets wrote: >I don't think ravers will be considered BM unfriendly. I think ravers know >better than anyone what it means to engage in a spiritual, ritualistic >pagan celebration. It's the music, loud, constant, dare I say, incessant, that is the problem, and to help curb that they are moving the rave camp *2* miles away from the main camp (opposed to 1 mile last year) and having the loudest systems point away from the main camp. I'm quite certain it isn't about who we are, or what we do, it's that it involves very loud, thumping music the entire time with the exception of when it's raining. To be quite honest, it got to me last year, which is why I'll be camped away from the rave camp, but I'll probably swing by once in a while. ;^) > >I think if anyone will be not welcome at BM are the people who drink way >to much beer and say "Hey, we are in the middle of the desert, we can >do whatever we frickin' want" and proceed to drive their car at 100 mph >in the middle of the night through the main camp, take photos/videos/gawk at >nude people, litter, do donuts, you get my drift. Hey! Vince never gawked at nude people, but he did eat donuts, I saw him. ;^) Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 15:50:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA12299; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:50:11 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA12290; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:50:05 -0700 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA16843 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trose@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA12468 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:48:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:48:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Anthony Rose To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NRR: web authors/programmers unite! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I know that there are a lot of web authors and programmers on this list. I am one too, I am not sure where this will go but I have an idea that we should network, maybe have some sort of freelance collective to share work ideas skills etc. I think a good place to start would be to keep a database of people and skills willing to take on freelance work, put up a web page with this info, If you are interested or have any more ideas or comments or want to be part of this, e-mail me privately at trose@uclink2.berkeley.edu. * ** *** ***** ******** ************** ********************* Tony Rose UCB CS ********************* ************** ******** ***** *** ** * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 15:55:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA12736; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:55:19 -0700 Received: from crl.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA12720; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:55:15 -0700 Received: by crl.crl.com id AA01714 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for sfraves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:53:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:53:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Ankrum To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Help please with online music Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, I'm trapped in the office and would love to find a Web site where I can hook up to some music--house=good, techno=better, goa=best! I'm using RealAudio, and I've already heard most of Groove Radio's shows. Suggestions??? Thanks. :) Kathryn From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 16:09:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA14386; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:09:03 -0700 Received: from mail.domain.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA14288; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:08:22 -0700 Received: from [192.215.97.158] by mail.domain.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:08:22 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:08:23 -0700 To: dhchung@hyperreal.com From: Wayne Correia Subject: (BSP) The Promise - Wed, July 3, 1996 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ...from this journey you shall return... Next School (the creators of Progress) and Space Children invite you to celebrate your independence and remember the Promise. Ryde (chocolate factory, NYC) Galen Henrik Ethan Surge Andre Lucero Tracy Solar Abstract Radley Richie Sean Murray 415-974-4391 415-273-1622 $ 7 before 11pm $10 after 11pm From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 16:09:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA14393; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:09:04 -0700 Received: from mail.domain.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA14289; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:08:22 -0700 Received: from [192.215.97.158] by mail.domain.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:08:26 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:08:26 -0700 To: dhchung@hyperreal.com From: Wayne Correia Subject: (bsp) Packabowl, Special, Thursday, July 4, 1996 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Exploding Hardcore wiht renowned hardcore DJ DEMIGOD! First performance in SF since 1995. + MARS vs. MYSTR-E at Park Bowl, 1855 Haight Street / Stanyan 415 541 5019 come in peace or don't come at all. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 16:22:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA15524; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:22:02 -0700 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA15510; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:21:58 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA16631; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:22:03 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607022322.QAA16631@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Come/Unity % Chateau de Boom To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:22:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 649 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] I see on the calendar that Come/Unity will be happening this Wednesday! I haven't been to one in ages... and the next day is a day off! Does anyone have any special news about this week's Come/Unity, other than it being at 1015 Folsom, 10PM-4AM, 21+ , $7 , DJs Simon, Jeno, and Garth? Also - I see the hospice charity event "Chateau de Boom" is happening the next day in Hillsboro from noon-8PM. Is anyone in SFRaves involved with that, and is there any special details were should know about it ( are there age restrictions? ). $3 is the stated admission. But, what is "classic spelling" ? Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 16:25:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA15996; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:25:52 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA15978; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:25:48 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA13092; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:25:53 -0700 Received: (datura@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA09574; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:25:40 -0700 From: Justin Cooper Message-Id: <199607022325.QAA09574@shellx.best.com> Subject: Re: Help please with online music To: kathank@crl.com (Kathryn Ankrum) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Kathryn Ankrum" at Jul 2, 96 03:53:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 168 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk http://www.interjuke.com they've got full length albums, which is great...the only problem is that you have to start the thing up after ever song. goodluck, justin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 16:40:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA17115; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:40:53 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA17108; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:40:48 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id QAA07836; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:40:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199607022340.QAA07836@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: Gay Day To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Eric P. Peterson" at Jul 2, 96 03:06:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > I hope that all the straights who attended the events in the City were > welcomed, and not resented, feared, etc., just for being straight. Some of > us are not a threat to anyone. Part of the reason (a VERY small part) that > I didn't attend was that I felt my presence might not be wanted, or that I > might be confronted with a situation with which I'd be uncomfortable (I've > been approached before, and it frightened me). Does anyone understand what > I'm saying? Any thoughts? Please be kind :) As the Straights for Gays group made its way down Market it received enthusiastic cheers. Everybody had a great time in the city this weekend. Condoms (packaged) were everywhere!!! -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 16:51:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA18019; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:51:22 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA18009; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:51:17 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id QAA11998; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:51:21 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199607022211.PAA06359@xanadu.cyborganic.net> <199607022148.OAA20425@softway95.softway.com> from "Renaud Waldura" at Jul 2, 96 02:48:39 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:58:40 -0700 To: Tony Rotundo From: Rhea Gossett Subject: Re: Why Go To Burning Man? (SRR) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "Loud, constant, incessant" - could anyone hope for more ?? :) :) For three days last year at Burning Man, the music I love most became the (literal) soundtrack for my life!! I camped in the rave camp last year & on the night of the craziest storm, I stayed inside my sleeping bag, so blissful - drifting in and out of sleep and rain and dreams and beats. In my tent that night, cozy, listening to the music - hell, VIBRATING WITH THE MUSIC, as it thumped up into me from the ground - knowing that outside, people were dancing madly through the wind & the rain, dancing as if their very lives depended on filling up 400 sq. miles of darkness with such ENERGY.... I felt so connected to everything, and like there was nowhere at all that I would rather be. Yay!! oh, yay!! Just remembering this makes me so happy! The Black Rock desert is a beautiful place. >It's the music, loud, constant, dare I say, incessant, that is the problem, >and to help curb that they are moving the rave camp *2* miles away from the >main camp (opposed to 1 mile last year) and having the loudest systems >point away from the main camp. > >I'm quite certain it isn't about who we are, or what we do, it's that it >involves very loud, thumping music the entire time with the exception of >when it's raining. > >To be quite honest, it got to me last year, which is why I'll be camped >away from the rave camp, but I'll probably swing by once in a while. ;^) > >> >>I think if anyone will be not welcome at BM are the people who drink way >>to much beer and say "Hey, we are in the middle of the desert, we can >>do whatever we frickin' want" and proceed to drive their car at 100 mph >>in the middle of the night through the main camp, take photos/videos/gawk at >>nude people, litter, do donuts, you get my drift. > >Hey! Vince never gawked at nude people, but he did eat donuts, I saw him. ;^) > >Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 17:32:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA21262; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:32:16 -0700 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA21256; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:32:13 -0700 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA00456; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:32:18 -0700 Received: from eon.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA15251; Tue, 2 Jul 96 17:32:17 PDT From: eric@nit.AirTouch.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9607030032.AA15251@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: Re: Gay Day To: epaul@Synopsys.COM Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Ravers List) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > I hope that all the straights who attended the events in the City were > > welcomed, and not resented, feared, etc., just for being straight. Some of > > us are not a threat to anyone. Part of the reason (a VERY small part) that > > I didn't attend was that I felt my presence might not be wanted, or that I > > might be confronted with a situation with which I'd be uncomfortable (I've > > been approached before, and it frightened me). Does anyone understand what > > I'm saying? Any thoughts? Please be kind :) eric - not to worry. the more, the merrier.. plus, unless you're gawking, holding on to your girlfriend and saying "oh my god!!" a lot, nobody would even know or care that you were straight. as far as getting picked up on, once you've been here for a while, you'll get used to it. you might even get to the point where you flirt back most of the time. it's great fun! just keep on smiling... plur at parades is just as good as plur at raves. -- (the other eric pederson) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 17:32:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA21289; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:32:26 -0700 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA21280; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:32:21 -0700 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA248963941; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:32:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Why Go To Burning Man? (SRR) To: Tony Rotundo Cc: Troy Sheets , rw@softway.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > It's the music, loud, constant, dare I say, incessant, that is the problem, > and to help curb that they are moving the rave camp *2* miles away from the > main camp (opposed to 1 mile last year) and having the loudest systems > point away from the main camp. With twice as many people going this year, though, I bet it won't seem like two miles out. The main camp is obviously going to be bigger and therefore more spread out and there will still be complainers. love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 17:52:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA22577; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:52:02 -0700 Received: from wired.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA22557; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:51:56 -0700 Received: from [204.62.132.108] (ra.wired.com [204.62.132.108]) by wired.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05694; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:51:46 -0700 To: Kathryn Ankrum , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian Benitez Subject: Re: Help please with online music (BSP) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 3:53 PM -0700 7/2/96, Kathryn Ankrum wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm trapped in the office and would love to find a Web site where I can >hook up to some music--house=good, techno=better, goa=best! I'm using >RealAudio, and I've already heard most of Groove Radio's shows. >Suggestions??? BSP BSP BSP HotWired has a set by Jon Williams and Derrick May, recorded back on February 26 of this year... There's an interview with Derrick, plus a hour or so DJ set from each. Here's the direct RA links, just cut and paste the URLs below into your browser. (You can't look at the pages that went with this event, but you CAN listen to the audio.) http://www.hotwired.com/feedback/96/10/stuff/williams.14.4.ram http://www.hotwired.com/feedback/96/10/stuff/williams.28.8.ram We will be doing more events like this in the future, as soon as we move into our new facilities... -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Brian Benitez Audio Engineer, HotWired benitez@hotwired.com http://www.hotwired.com/ . . . . . . . . . . (415) 356-3702. . . . . . . . . . . . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 17:57:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA22911; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:57:10 -0700 Received: from elaine25.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA22903; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:57:07 -0700 Received: (from senator@localhost) by elaine25.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA07667; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:57:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Cassandra Ann Thomas To: Renzo Saunders cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Repost - Loooking for a Room In-Reply-To: <9605268358.AA835812349@smtplink.NGC.Com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am looking for some roommates. Call me at 325-5971 for particulars. Cassandra On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Renzo Saunders wrote: > Here's an update for those of you who replied to my last post on this > topic. My friend and I are going to be going to a real estate office > this week to fill out some applications. We would like to keep the > cost of rent down to about $500 a month each. If we can find a two > bedroom for around 1K we will probably take it. But only if it's in a > good area(been living in east Redwood City 10 years, tired of getting > my car broken in to). I'm not sure how realistic that is but if we > can't find anything in that price range we will be recruiting a third > roommate, so that we can get a nicer place. For those of you who are > still interested, reply back so we can meet. August 1 is going to come > pretty fast. Probably won't be partying much this month, I need to > save some $$$$. Thanks. > > -Renzo > > > > > From a previous post: > > > Hello there, > A friend and I are looking for a third roommate to share a three > bedroom house\duplex in the San Mateo area (somewhere between S.F. and > S.J.). We are planning on a move-in date of August 1. We are both 21 > year old males, work full-time, school and party part-time. In to > raving, music and hanging out. Very responsible as far as finances go. > Let me know if you or anyone you know is interested or know of a > possible house available. Later. > > -Renzo > > please reply directly to renzo@ngc.com > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 18:07:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA23703; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:07:48 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA23696; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:07:43 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA20836; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:07:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 17:45:44 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: Gay Day To: Troy Sheets , SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; I feel a fear that I don't understand. It's weird, because as I look at this feeling, fear being an emotion; question it, I draw a fustrated blank. Feelings not being facts, I'm approached by a person I believe for all intents and purposes wishes me no harm, and to the contray wants to make me feel good because they like me. Yet, I am almost parazied, by a feeling that litertally chokes all logical reason from me. Why? Logic would indicate that if companionship is the goal that being available to both sexes would make that goal twice as easy to obtain. Or is the goal reproduction. Reproduction being for all intents and purposes the act of having sex to make a baby. I feel the goal for most people is companionship because reproduction as defined above is the last and furthest thing on my mind when I meet someone I'm attracted to. So why the fear? It's just so frustrating, and to add to that it seems like neither community accepts bi-sexuals, or so I've been told. I'm personally straight and don't understand when I see something as clearly logical as this, why these (feelings) stop me. Peace THX-1138 --- On Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Troy Sheets wrote: >> >> I hope that all the straights who attended the events in the City were >> welcomed, and not resented, feared, etc., just for being straight. Some of >> us are not a threat to anyone. Part of the reason (a VERY small part) that >> I didn't attend was that I felt my presence might not be wanted, or that I >> might be confronted with a situation with which I'd be uncomfortable (I've >> been approached before, and it frightened me). Does anyone understand what >> I'm saying? Any thoughts? Please be kind :) > >As the Straights for Gays group made its way down Market it received >enthusiastic cheers. Everybody had a great time in the city this weekend. >Condoms (packaged) were everywhere!!! > >-troy --------------------------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/2/96 Time: 5:45:44 PM --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 18:34:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA26152; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:34:10 -0700 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA26142; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:34:07 -0700 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA01345; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:34:10 -0700 Received: from hacksaw.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA15980; Tue, 2 Jul 96 18:34:09 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 18:34:09 PDT From: timb@nit.AirTouch.COM (Tim Beauchamp) Message-Id: <9607030134.AA15980@nit.AirTouch.COM> To: tsheets@xanadu.cyborganic.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com, THX1138@planet-jubip.com Subject: Re: Gay Day Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk THX1138 wrote: > So why the fear? It's just so frustrating, and to add to that it seems > like neither community accepts bi-sexuals, or so I've been told. > > I'm personally straight and don't understand when I see something as > clearly logical as this, why these (feelings) stop me. > Conditioned response. They've been brainwashing us since day one. (to be read with an appropriate dose of sarcasm--but not too much) Sounds more ominous than it is but essentially one assumes the emotional responses of ones environment--most prejudice is learned from one's parents, friends, society, etc... If you live in an environment were you aren't around homosexual, bi-sexual or heterosexual behaviour or more importantly were it's relegated to the fringes or just condemned, it wont seem normal or natural to you emmotionaly despite what the logical mind says. Face your fear, accept what you know to be right and the fear will eventually fade. "Fear is the mind killer" unless you let your mind kill the fear first. Tim From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 19:16:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA29852; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:16:21 -0700 Received: from dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA29845; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:16:17 -0700 Received: from localhost by dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04118; Tue, 2 Jul 96 21:14:59 CDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:14:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Aleph One To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Comeunity Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Could someone place send me the info on Comeunity. I did not see it in the calendar. Or I'am just blind? Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 20:14:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA04152; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 20:14:41 -0700 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA04145; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 20:14:38 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id UAA24109; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 20:14:37 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607030314.UAA24109@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Comeunity To: aleph1@dfw.net (Aleph One) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 20:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Aleph One" at Jul 2, 96 09:14:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 460 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list & Aleph One ] > Could someone place send me the info on Comeunity. I did not see it in the > calendar. Or I'am just blind? > > Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net That's 'cause Come/Unity , being a repeating event at a fixed time of each month, is placed in the "weeklies" section of the calendar - check the calendar again under the "Wednesday" weekly section. Larry "Not Derek Chung, but still knows some things" Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 21:12:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA08427; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:12:13 -0700 Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA08421; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:12:10 -0700 Received: from Maxine.lewiston.com (ppp146.lewiston.com [204.227.174.146]) by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA17906 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:21:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:21:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199607030421.VAA17906@mail-gw.fsr.net> X-Sender: tuskluv@mail.lewiston.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wowser Subject: Portland, OR. Any ideas??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey there! Me and a buddy are trippin' up to Portland, Oregon, for the Fourth of July (7-4-96). We were hoping to hear about some gatherings before we left. If anybody out there in WEB-land knows of some really positive-vibe places, please let us know. We don't do that dark thing at all! Nope, we just like the Love-vibe. You can drop a line via the SFRaves or send direct e-mail. Thanks so much. Godbless... Wowser & Taz (tuskluv@lewiston.com) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 22:56:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA16270; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 22:56:28 -0700 Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA16263; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 22:56:25 -0700 Received: from Maxine.lewiston.com (ppp159.lewiston.com [204.227.174.159]) by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA21726 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:05:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:05:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199607030605.XAA21726@mail-gw.fsr.net> X-Sender: tuskluv@mail.lewiston.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wowser Subject: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey sfravers! This post may take you a bit off guard and is a bit long, but I REALLY needed to express myself. Can you relate? I hope so. This warning post could may be considered weird, or kooky, or drug-induced....but it is not in any way. I write simply because I care so much about all of you. I'll try to be brief and to the point, cause I know you all can handle it. This will offend some of you, but those who appreciate the love of God and the beautiful "positive" vibes we share at selected gatherings may well appreciate what I've got to say. Others will not like this post, cause I'm "outing" them bigtime. I've attended raves from New York to San Francisco and points in-between. SF is actually my home, but I am away for a while. The group called "Come unity" (aka: community) is bad news. I've been to their gatherings before and they are bluntly...Satan-worshippers. And I do mean this quite literally. They go beyond ideals of peganism and actually practice worship of the ultimate negativity. They call out to demons, seek to practice what they call "ancient" rites and are altogether very foolish. The energy at their so-called gatherings is swirling, confusing and heated with types of negativity that actually can molest unsuspecting individuals. They will deny this completely if you confront any of their "members" and will dodge all of the issues I speak of here. But as I have said, I know this first hand. If you peel away the layers of novices and hapless people who have simply stumbled into their party, you'll find a "secret" cult group that is organized and diabolical. This is their core and it is quite ugly. My worst and best experience with them happened in 1994. I was called to attend their gathering around 4:30am. It was at the SoundFactory space. They absolutely hated my presence there because I was reaching out beyond their self-imposed prision (that horrific negative energy I described earlier). They bumped me. Heckled me. And attacked me in various ways. Their eyes were big and black, and it was not due to 'crissy' or 'X'. My crime? I was simply trying to shine my light, because I love all of you so much. But the tables were turned on them. Let's just say that an "awesome" assistance was rendered that night to turn the tables. Special assistance was rendered from the ultimate Love vibe that night to help those poor children, who were caught up in that nasty scene, see more clearly what was going down. Thus, it was one of my worst because I found "community" to be actual, bonifide, card carrying Satan-worshippers...and it was one of my best experiences because they lost the "battle" that night. So to speak. Their hexigons and magick candles and demons were seen by many for what they really are: Foolishness. Emptiness. Lies. Powerlessness. Pathetic, huh? So here's my warning for each of you: be aware! Someone recently told me there is nothing quite like experience..and to this I agree. But I must add that immersing yourself and giving up self-awareness and conscious thought IS NOT what self-discovery is about. In fact, this is the OPPOSITE! There are many opportunities out "there" to grow in Love and to become acquainted with the larger concepts of Life and our existance. Sadly, "community" is not one of them. So please be aware and I hope you'll seek out other places to attend, especially if you are seeking the 'real' positive vibe in Truth. Taking a chance for Love, Troy p.s. Please don't be afraid to shine that beautiful light inside of you. You were not made "wrong". Love is real! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 23:34:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA19103; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:34:42 -0700 Received: from hal.mobius.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA19098; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:34:39 -0700 Received: from x-radio.mobius.net by hal.mobius.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0ubMR1-000JGZC; Wed, 3 Jul 96 00:33 PDT Message-ID: <31DA106A.3CF@mobius.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 23:18:22 -0700 From: wilton paul risenhoover Reply-To: pauly@mobius.net Organization: (none) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathryn Ankrum CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Help please with online music References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Kathryn, Kathryn Ankrum wrote: > I'm trapped in the office and would love to find a Web site where I can > hook up to some music--house=good, techno=better, goa=best! I'm using > RealAudio, and I've already heard most of Groove Radio's shows. > Suggestions??? I've got about twelve full-length techno, trance, and rave cd's on my site. it's called x-radio and it's at http://www.x-radio.com/x-radio/. I've got another dozen cd's on my desk waiting to be encoded. Let me know what you think, and if you've got any requests, send them to me. Enjoy, pauly From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jul 2 23:45:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA19845; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:45:41 -0700 Received: from hal.mobius.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA19840; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:45:38 -0700 Received: from x-radio.mobius.net by hal.mobius.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0ubMbg-000JGZC; Wed, 3 Jul 96 00:44 PDT Message-ID: <31DA1343.2CA9@mobius.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 23:29:23 -0700 From: wilton paul risenhoover Reply-To: pauly@mobius.net Organization: (none) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Help please with online music References: <31DA106A.3CF@mobius.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk wilton paul risenhoover wrote: > Kathryn Ankrum wrote: > > I'm trapped in the office and would love to find a Web site where I can > > hook up to some music--house=good, techno=better, goa=best! I'm using > > RealAudio, and I've already heard most of Groove Radio's shows. > > Suggestions??? > > I've got about twelve full-length techno, trance, and rave cd's on my site. > it's called x-radio and it's at http://www.x-radio.com/x-radio/ I've got > another dozen cd's on my desk waiting to be encoded. > Since we're on the subject of internet radio, I should mention that I've been looking to add some programming to the site. My next step, after getting the rest of these cd's on, is to add a few live programs. I was thinking about finding somebody that had a "real" (as opposed to "internet" ) radio show and simulcasting it on the net. I know others have done one-off simulcasts, but I'd like to make it a regular event, say, each week. Or, if there is an enterprising radio personality out there that would like to creat their own show and broadcast it on the net, that would work too. I mean, come on, there's how many of us now, 30-50 million? If anybody's interested, you know where to find me. Best, pauly From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 00:28:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA24858; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:28:50 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA24844; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:28:42 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA973; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:28:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 00:09:44 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: RE: "Comeunity" **Warning!** To: Wowser , SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Wowser; First of all there is NO GOD, you've been lied to as we all have. Second I've been to Community many times and if they are in satan worship they also have been lied to because it doesn't exsist either. The bible is trash as well as the satanic one; they are both self subscribed, self perpetuating, control systems; don't believe the hype, and stop doing speed. As for Community being evil, it's a great party, it's the most awesome monthly going, and yes I have NO affiliation will them, I just like their party. Furhter more if the satanist like to party like community does, then sign me up. What kind of rave do you go to, ones sponsored by Bob Dole, ravers for Christ. Jesus Christ!!! man do you actually think in this whole fucking thing we call the universe, this infinite space where; to quote Carl Sagan there are millions, and millions and millions of stars, surrounding them are billions, and billions, and billions of planets. That you think we the people of Earth, a planet so far out in the sticks of the galaxy, that we are Gods chosen people; HA HA HA. This belief is so grandiose, & megalomical, it itself is a sin. Please do not bore the educated, aware, and enlightened with this childish tripe. Yes, please do something for the planet, first lose the God stuff enough people have died ovber Christ for me to belief it's a bad thang. Second belief in yourself, your worth it belief it or not. Third go to community and have so fun for Christ's sack, I know he would want you to be happy, he is Christ you know pure love. Peace THX-1138 --- On Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:05:33 -0700 Wowser wrote: >Hey sfravers! This post may take you a bit off guard and is a bit long, but >I REALLY needed to express myself. Can you relate? I hope so. This warning >post could may be considered weird, or kooky, or drug-induced....but it is >not in any way. I write simply because I care so much about all of you. > >I'll try to be brief and to the point, cause I know you all can handle it. >This will offend some of you, but those who appreciate the love of God and >the beautiful "positive" vibes we share at selected gatherings may well >appreciate what I've got to say. Others will not like this post, cause I'm >"outing" them bigtime. I've attended raves from New York to San Francisco >and points in-between. SF is actually my home, but I am away for a while. >The group called "Come unity" (aka: community) is bad news. I've been to >their gatherings before and they are bluntly...Satan-worshippers. And I do >mean this quite literally. They go beyond ideals of peganism and actually >practice worship of the ultimate negativity. They call out to demons, seek >to practice what they call "ancient" rites and are altogether very foolish. >The energy at their so-called gatherings is swirling, confusing and heated >with types of negativity that actually can molest unsuspecting individuals. >They will deny this completely if you confront any of their "members" and >will dodge all of the issues I speak of here. But as I have said, I know >this first hand. If you peel away the layers of novices and hapless people >who have simply stumbled into their party, you'll find a "secret" cult group >that is organized and diabolical. This is their core and it is quite ugly. > >My worst and best experience with them happened in 1994. I was called to >attend their gathering around 4:30am. It was at the SoundFactory space. >They absolutely hated my presence there because I was reaching out beyond >their self-imposed prision (that horrific negative energy I described >earlier). They bumped me. Heckled me. And attacked me in various ways. >Their eyes were big and black, and it was not due to 'crissy' or 'X'. >My crime? I was simply trying to shine my light, because I love all of you >so much. But the tables were turned on them. Let's just say that an >"awesome" assistance was rendered that night to turn the tables. Special >assistance was rendered from the ultimate Love vibe that night to help those >poor children, who were caught up in that nasty scene, see more clearly what >was going down. Thus, it was one of my worst because I found "community" to >be actual, bonifide, card carrying Satan-worshippers...and it was one of my >best experiences because they lost the "battle" that night. So to speak. >Their hexigons and magick candles and demons were seen by many for what they >really are: Foolishness. Emptiness. Lies. Powerlessness. Pathetic, huh? > >So here's my warning for each of you: be aware! Someone recently told me >there is nothing quite like experience..and to this I agree. But I must add >that immersing yourself and giving up self-awareness and conscious thought >IS NOT what self-discovery is about. In fact, this is the OPPOSITE! There >are many opportunities out "there" to grow in Love and to become acquainted >with the larger concepts of Life and our existance. Sadly, "community" is >not one of them. So please be aware and I hope you'll seek out other places >to attend, especially if you are seeking the 'real' positive vibe in Truth. > >Taking a chance for Love, > >Troy > >p.s. Please don't be afraid to shine that beautiful light inside of you. >You were not made "wrong". Love is real! > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/3/96 Time: 12:09:44 AM --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 01:17:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA27389; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:17:17 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA27381; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:17:13 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA1724; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:16:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 00:59:55 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: RE: Community Warning; Update, Delete First One To: tuskluv@lewiston.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; He's mine!!!!! Dear Wowser; First of all there is NO GOD, you've been lied too, as we all have. Second, I've been to Community many times and if they are into satan worship; they've also have been lied to because Satant doesn't exsist either. The bible is corruptted trash as well as the satanic one; they are both self-subscribed, self-perpetuating, control systems; don't believe the hype, and stop doing speed, it is rotting your brain. As for Community being evil, it's a great party, it's the most awesome monthly going, and yes I have NO affiliation will them, I just like their party. Further more, if the satanist like to party like community does, then sign me up. What kind of rave do you go to, ones sponsored by Bob Dole, ravers for Christ, Christians for E, Catholics for House Music, Buddists for Trance, huh? Jesus Christ Man!!!! do you actually think this whole fucking thing we call the universe, this infinite space where; to quote Carl Sagan there are billions, and billions and billions of stars, surrounding them are trillions, and trillions, and trillions of planets, that could support all sorts of life forms. That you think we the people of Earth, a planet so far out in the sticks of the galaxy, that we are gods chosen people; HA HA HA. This belief is sooooo grandiose, & megalomical, the belief itself is a sin. Please do not bore the educated, aware, and enlightened with this childish tripe. Look at history man!!!, gods have come, gods have gone, look at the roman gods like jupiter, the greek gods like zeus and apollo, and the eyption gods like rah; where are they today. I tell ya where they are today, an old rotten dung of a memory; interesting only to historians and people needing something to believe in because they won't or can't believe in themselves. Yes, please do something for the planet & yourself. First, lose the God stuff, haven't enough people have died over that Christ person. Enough have for me to believe it's a bad thang. Second, try and believe in yourself, see that you are divine, that we are divine, and feel your own power; your worth it believe it or not. Third go to community and have some fun for Christ's sake, I know Christ almighty would want you to be happy & content, he is Christ you know; pure love. We were not put here to resist every tempation that could make us feel good so we can feel miserable. Peace THX-1138 >--- On Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:05:33 -0700 Wowser wrote: > >>Hey sfravers! This post may take you a bit off guard and is a bit long, but >>I REALLY needed to express myself. Can you relate? I hope so. This warning >>post could may be considered weird, or kooky, or drug-induced....but it is >>not in any way. I write simply because I care so much about all of you. >> >>I'll try to be brief and to the point, cause I know you all can handle it. >>This will offend some of you, but those who appreciate the love of God and >>the beautiful "positive" vibes we share at selected gatherings may well >>appreciate what I've got to say. Others will not like this post, cause I'm >>"outing" them bigtime. I've attended raves from New York to San Francisco >>and points in-between. SF is actually my home, but I am away for a while. >>The group called "Come unity" (aka: community) is bad news. I've been to >>their gatherings before and they are bluntly...Satan-worshippers. And I do >>mean this quite literally. They go beyond ideals of peganism and actually >>practice worship of the ultimate negativity. They call out to demons, seek >>to practice what they call "ancient" rites and are altogether very foolish. >>The energy at their so-called gatherings is swirling, confusing and heated >>with types of negativity that actually can molest unsuspecting individuals. >>They will deny this completely if you confront any of their "members" and >>will dodge all of the issues I speak of here. But as I have said, I know >>this first hand. If you peel away the layers of novices and hapless people >>who have simply stumbled into their party, you'll find a "secret" cult group >>that is organized and diabolical. This is their core and it is quite ugly. >> >>My worst and best experience with them happened in 1994. I was called to >>attend their gathering around 4:30am. It was at the SoundFactory space. >>They absolutely hated my presence there because I was reaching out beyond >>their self-imposed prision (that horrific negative energy I described >>earlier). They bumped me. Heckled me. And attacked me in various ways. >>Their eyes were big and black, and it was not due to 'crissy' or 'X'. >>My crime? I was simply trying to shine my light, because I love all of you >>so much. But the tables were turned on them. Let's just say that an >>"awesome" assistance was rendered that night to turn the tables. Special >>assistance was rendered from the ultimate Love vibe that night to help those >>poor children, who were caught up in that nasty scene, see more clearly what >>was going down. Thus, it was one of my worst because I found "community" to >>be actual, bonifide, card carrying Satan-worshippers...and it was one of my >>best experiences because they lost the "battle" that night. So to speak. >>Their hexigons and magick candles and demons were seen by many for what they >>really are: Foolishness. Emptiness. Lies. Powerlessness. Pathetic, huh? >> >>So here's my warning for each of you: be aware! Someone recently told me >>there is nothing quite like experience..and to this I agree. But I must add >>that immersing yourself and giving up self-awareness and conscious thought >>IS NOT what self-discovery is about. In fact, this is the OPPOSITE! There >>are many opportunities out "there" to grow in Love and to become acquainted >>with the larger concepts of Life and our existance. Sadly, "community" is >>not one of them. So please be aware and I hope you'll seek out other places >>to attend, especially if you are seeking the 'real' positive vibe in Truth. >> >>Taking a chance for Love, >> >>Troy >> >>p.s. Please don't be afraid to shine that beautiful light inside of you. >>You were not made "wrong". Love is real! >> > >-----------------End of Original Message----------------- > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Name: THX-1138 >E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com >Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide >Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 >ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 >Date: 7/3/96 >Time: 12:09:44 AM >--------------------------------------------------------- > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/3/96 Time: 12:59:55 AM --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 01:58:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA00862; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:58:03 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA00854; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:58:00 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA2260; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:57:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 01:49:19 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: RE: PS Community Warning Update..../ To: Wowser , SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Wowser; PS. Stop sucking on the crucifix, and put it in the trash can were it belongs. Also, may an Alien bite you in the ass, and slap you upside the head you silly, silly, confused human. Christ Almighty!!!! I FEEL BETTER!!!!!! = > Peace & Sanity THX-1138 ------------------------------------------------------ Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/3/96 Time: 1:49:19 AM --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 02:35:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA06866; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 02:35:59 -0700 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA06861; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 02:35:57 -0700 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id CAA04338; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 02:36:03 -0700 Received: from hacksaw.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA17691; Wed, 3 Jul 96 02:36:01 PDT From: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM (Mike Schneir) Message-Id: <9607030936.AA17691@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: Re: PS Community Warning Update..../ To: THX1138@planet-jubip.com (THX1138) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 02:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tuskluv@lewiston.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "THX1138" at Jul 3, 96 01:49:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk THX-1138: Whoa, my friend, I think you need to go night-night! ;) It's way too late to form a coherent argument, but it's also too late to not jump in on one... Wowser never mentioned Christ(I don't think), and he didn't come down on non-Christian beliefs (it wasn't clear whether "pagan ideals" were good or bad), just "evil" Satanism. Disregarding the fact that not all Satanists (and some would say no "true" Satanists) are evil or practice evil, he theoretically has a point, if you believe in any kind of group-generated vibe/power at all: "bad vibe not good, intentional bad vibe worse" (I'm tired). And if you don't, he's still entitled to his spiritual/religious beliefs. That being said, I think he's being crazy as f**k too. One way to find out, of course, is to go. Heck I wasn't so sure if I was going to go, but after reading his post I can't miss it!! See you there? -mike > > Dear Wowser; > > PS. Stop sucking on the crucifix, and put it in the trash can were it belongs. Also, may an Alien bite > you in the ass, and slap you upside the head you silly, silly, confused human. > > Christ Almighty!!!! I FEEL BETTER!!!!!! = > > > Peace & Sanity > THX-1138 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Name: THX-1138 > E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com > Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide > Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 > ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 > Date: 7/3/96 > Time: 1:49:19 AM > --------------------------------------------------------- > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 03:30:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA12458; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 03:30:31 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA12450; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 03:30:27 -0700 From: phred@well.com Received: from well.com (phred@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id DAA17672; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 03:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA13895; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 03:30:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 03:30:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199607031030.DAA13895@well.com> To: nw-raves@hyperreal.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BSP: Audio Cafe tonight, Wednesday July 3 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk We're at it again tonight here in Portland at the Paris Theatre, 6 SW 3rd, starting at 9 pm. Your genial drivers on the wheels'o'steel are Jeremy, myself and Rob P. c u there! phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 05:40:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA21896; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 05:40:05 -0700 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA21890; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 05:40:01 -0700 Received: from 70-249.client.gnn.com. (70-249.client.gnn.com [205.188.70.249]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA04574 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607031239.IAA04574@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 05:35:13 From: rinc@gnn.com (Lawrence Rincon) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: My response to thx1138 response to wowser (Wow) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >X-State: 3 >X-Total-length: 7762 >X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 05:30:55 >From: rinc@gnn.com (Lawrence Rincon) >To: tuskluv@lewiston.com >Subject: My response to thx1138 response to wowser (Wow) > >So at the bottom is Wowser's original letter. A simple warning about some >Gargamel and Azriel scene and Love Smurfs boogie down crusade to save > Wowser >from being sacrificed upon the altar of bad club >vibe(Soundfactory...ouch) A tone of sympathy was expressed for "those poor >children" and a significant point was made about giving up one web browser >of self awareness for another. > > THX1138 wrote: > "First of all there is NO GOD...The bible is trash..a control system > and >stop doing speed." > > I aint no lawyer, but I believe two parties have been slandered >here..the almighty(for writing trash:) and Wowser(for going to fast) > ..make >that three parties(me for buying into THX's own control system) > > Speaking of parties, THX wrote: > "As for community being evil, it's a great party" > > I take into account that Wowser's bad time might be an aberrational >black strand spun and spit out of what may(or may not -[read quick with a >lower intonation]) have been a cotton candy of a party, and being way back >in 1994 , the statute of limitions might not be applied to said satan >worshipers. With that clause out of the way.....(Hmm maybe i am a lawyer) >.....If ol' Lawrence sees brother Wowser gettin bothered and harassed at a >"great party" then i can argue that its probably not a "great party" lest > I >too come under attack and become a bothered brother. > > We move on > THX wrote: (and I dont know what this had to do with Wowsers letter.) > "..man do you actually think in this whole fucking thing we call the > universe..That..we the people of Earth, a planet so far out in the > > sticks of the galaxy, that we are Gods chosen people: HA HA HA." > > Whats so f--kin funny mother f-cker your Godd-mn right im chosen. > But seriously, even though we are contradicting our earlier argument > that >there is no God, a classic Cartesian error is being made here- (its going > to >get heavy so lighten up people) The Western influence of thinking > rendering >the mind separate from the body. This inner fragmentation of man mirrors > his >view of the world 'outside' which is seen as a multitude of separate > objects >and events. This division is useful and necessary to cope with our > everyday >environment, but is not a fundamental feature of reality. It is an >abstraction devised by our discriminating and catagorizing intellect. To > say >that I have measured my foot and then measured the number of these feet to >the next star and realized that relative to me it is just way to big out >there for me (and my God)(and my big feet) to exist is ...silly.. as silly >as that Sagan fellow raven' in his starship to some ambient waves of > synth. >(just kiddin' man, I loved that show.i grew up on PBS and school house >rock) > > Finally THX wrote: > "Please do not bore the ecucated, aware, and enlightened with this > childish tripe" > > Oh please bore, bore into me. for I am naive as the next post and none > of >us is "enlightened"- that mankind has not become much wiser over the past >two thousand years, in spite of a prodigious increase in "education" is >ample evidence of the impossibility of communicating absolute reality by >words. As Chuang Tzu said "if it could be talked about, everybody would >have told their brother." > > > And so I say to THX and Wowser. Love...not the emotion, the squishy back >seat kiss, or the puppy (unless its a baby beagle spinnin tail) >but the truth. > Love, > Lawrence > >(Ill see you'll at BBQ and beats II, let me set you up with some >cool-on-the-cobb) > > >-------------------- >Wowser's letter > > > >s! This post may take you a bit off guard and is a bit long, >> but >>I REALLY needed to express myself. Can you relate? I hope so. This >> warning >>post could may be considered weird, or kooky, or drug-induced....but it is >>not in any way. I write simply because I care so much about all of you. >> >>I'll try to be brief and to the point, cause I know you all can handle it. >>This will offend some of you, but those who appreciate the love of God and >>the beautiful "positive" vibes we share at selected gatherings may well >>appreciate what I've got to say. Others will not like this post, cause > I'm >>"outing" them bigtime. I've attended raves from New York to San Francisco >>and points in-between. SF is actually my home, but I am away for a while. > >>The group called "Come unity" (aka: community) is bad news. I've been to >>their gatherings before and they are bluntly...Satan-worshippers. And I > do >>mean this quite literally. They go beyond ideals of peganism and actually >>practice worship of the ultimate negativity. They call out to demons, > seek >>to practice what they call "ancient" rites and are altogether very > foolish. >>The energy at their so-called gatherings is swirling, confusing and heated >>with types of negativity that actually can molest unsuspecting > individuals. >>They will deny this completely if you confront any of their "members" and >>will dodge all of the issues I speak of here. But as I have said, I know >>this first hand. If you peel away the layers of novices and hapless > people >>who have simply stumbled into their party, you'll find a "secret" cult >> group >>that is organized and diabolical. This is their core and it is quite > ugly. >> >>My worst and best experience with them happened in 1994. I was called to >>attend their gathering around 4:30am. It was at the SoundFactory space. >>They absolutely hated my presence there because I was reaching out beyond >>their self-imposed prision (that horrific negative energy I described >>earlier). They bumped me. Heckled me. And attacked me in various ways. >>Their eyes were big and black, and it was not due to 'crissy' or 'X'. >>My crime? I was simply trying to shine my light, because I love all of you >>so much. But the tables were turned on them. Let's just say that an >>"awesome" assistance was rendered that night to turn the tables. Special >>assistance was rendered from the ultimate Love vibe that night to help >> those >>poor children, who were caught up in that nasty scene, see more clearly >> what >>was going down. Thus, it was one of my worst because I found "community" >> to >>be actual, bonifide, card carrying Satan-worshippers...and it was one of > my >>best experiences because they lost the "battle" that night. So to speak. >>Their hexigons and magick candles and demons were seen by many for what >> they >>really are: Foolishness. Emptiness. Lies. Powerlessness. Pathetic, >> huh? >> >>So here's my warning for each of you: be aware! Someone recently told me >>there is nothing quite like experience..and to this I agree. But I must >> add >>that immersing yourself and giving up self-awareness and conscious thought >>IS NOT what self-discovery is about. In fact, this is the OPPOSITE! There >>are many opportunities out "there" to grow in Love and to become > acquainted >>with the larger concepts of Life and our existance. Sadly, "community" is >>not one of them. So please be aware and I hope you'll seek out other >> places >>to attend, especially if you are seeking the 'real' positive vibe in > Truth. >> >>Taking a chance for Love, >> >>Troy >> >>p.s. Please don't be afraid to shine that beautiful light inside of you. >>You were not made "wrong". Love is real! >> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 05:45:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA22284; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 05:45:47 -0700 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA22278; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 05:45:44 -0700 Received: from 70-249.client.gnn.com. (70-249.client.gnn.com [205.188.70.249]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA20574 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607031245.IAA20574@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 05:40:57 From: rinc@gnn.com (Lawrence Rincon) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: My response to thx1138 response to wowser (Wow) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >X-State: 3 >X-Total-length: 7762 >X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 05:30:55 >From: rinc@gnn.com (Lawrence Rincon) >To: tuskluv@lewiston.com >Subject: My response to thx1138 response to wowser (Wow) > >So at the bottom is Wowser's original letter. A simple warning about some >Gargamel and Azriel scene and Love Smurfs boogie down crusade to save > Wowser >from being sacrificed upon the altar of bad club >vibe(Soundfactory...ouch) A tone of sympathy was expressed for "those poor >children" and a significant point was made about giving up one web browser >of self awareness for another. > > THX1138 wrote: > "First of all there is NO GOD...The bible is trash..a control system > and >stop doing speed." > > I aint no lawyer, but I believe two parties have been slandered >here..the almighty(for writing trash:) and Wowser(for going to fast) > ..make >that three parties(me for buying into THX's own control system) > > Speaking of parties, THX wrote: > "As for community being evil, it's a great party" > > I take into account that Wowser's bad time might be an aberrational >black strand spun and spit out of what may(or may not -[read quick with a >lower intonation]) have been a cotton candy of a party, and being way back >in 1994 , the statute of limitions might not be applied to said satan >worshipers. With that clause out of the way.....(Hmm maybe i am a lawyer) >.....If ol' Lawrence sees brother Wowser gettin bothered and harassed at a >"great party" then i can argue that its probably not a "great party" lest > I >too come under attack and become a bothered brother. > > We move on > THX wrote: (and I dont know what this had to do with Wowsers letter.) > "..man do you actually think in this whole fucking thing we call the > universe..That..we the people of Earth, a planet so far out in the > > sticks of the galaxy, that we are Gods chosen people: HA HA HA." > > Whats so f--kin funny mother f-cker your Godd-mn right im chosen. > But seriously, even though we are contradicting our earlier argument > that >there is no God, a classic Cartesian error is being made here- (its going > to >get heavy so lighten up people) The Western influence of thinking > rendering >the mind separate from the body. This inner fragmentation of man mirrors > his >view of the world 'outside' which is seen as a multitude of separate > objects >and events. This division is useful and necessary to cope with our > everyday >environment, but is not a fundamental feature of reality. It is an >abstraction devised by our discriminating and catagorizing intellect. To > say >that I have measured my foot and then measured the number of these feet to >the next star and realized that relative to me it is just way to big out >there for me (and my God)(and my big feet) to exist is ...silly.. as silly >as that Sagan fellow raven' in his starship to some ambient waves of > synth. >(just kiddin' man, I loved that show.i grew up on PBS and school house >rock) > > Finally THX wrote: > "Please do not bore the ecucated, aware, and enlightened with this > childish tripe" > > Oh please bore, bore into me. for I am naive as the next post and none > of >us is "enlightened"- that mankind has not become much wiser over the past >two thousand years, in spite of a prodigious increase in "education" is >ample evidence of the impossibility of communicating absolute reality by >words. As Chuang Tzu said "if it could be talked about, everybody would >have told their brother." > > > And so I say to THX and Wowser. Love...not the emotion, the squishy back >seat kiss, or the puppy (unless its a baby beagle spinnin tail) >but the truth. > Love, > Lawrence > >(Ill see you'll at BBQ and beats II, let me set you up with some >cool-on-the-cobb) > > >-------------------- >Wowser's letter > > > >s! This post may take you a bit off guard and is a bit long, >> but >>I REALLY needed to express myself. Can you relate? I hope so. This >> warning >>post could may be considered weird, or kooky, or drug-induced....but it is >>not in any way. I write simply because I care so much about all of you. >> >>I'll try to be brief and to the point, cause I know you all can handle it. >>This will offend some of you, but those who appreciate the love of God and >>the beautiful "positive" vibes we share at selected gatherings may well >>appreciate what I've got to say. Others will not like this post, cause > I'm >>"outing" them bigtime. I've attended raves from New York to San Francisco >>and points in-between. SF is actually my home, but I am away for a while. > >>The group called "Come unity" (aka: community) is bad news. I've been to >>their gatherings before and they are bluntly...Satan-worshippers. And I > do >>mean this quite literally. They go beyond ideals of peganism and actually >>practice worship of the ultimate negativity. They call out to demons, > seek >>to practice what they call "ancient" rites and are altogether very > foolish. >>The energy at their so-called gatherings is swirling, confusing and heated >>with types of negativity that actually can molest unsuspecting > individuals. >>They will deny this completely if you confront any of their "members" and >>will dodge all of the issues I speak of here. But as I have said, I know >>this first hand. If you peel away the layers of novices and hapless > people >>who have simply stumbled into their party, you'll find a "secret" cult >> group >>that is organized and diabolical. This is their core and it is quite > ugly. >> >>My worst and best experience with them happened in 1994. I was called to >>attend their gathering around 4:30am. It was at the SoundFactory space. >>They absolutely hated my presence there because I was reaching out beyond >>their self-imposed prision (that horrific negative energy I described >>earlier). They bumped me. Heckled me. And attacked me in various ways. >>Their eyes were big and black, and it was not due to 'crissy' or 'X'. >>My crime? I was simply trying to shine my light, because I love all of you >>so much. But the tables were turned on them. Let's just say that an >>"awesome" assistance was rendered that night to turn the tables. Special >>assistance was rendered from the ultimate Love vibe that night to help >> those >>poor children, who were caught up in that nasty scene, see more clearly >> what >>was going down. Thus, it was one of my worst because I found "community" >> to >>be actual, bonifide, card carrying Satan-worshippers...and it was one of > my >>best experiences because they lost the "battle" that night. So to speak. >>Their hexigons and magick candles and demons were seen by many for what >> they >>really are: Foolishness. Emptiness. Lies. Powerlessness. Pathetic, >> huh? >> >>So here's my warning for each of you: be aware! Someone recently told me >>there is nothing quite like experience..and to this I agree. But I must >> add >>that immersing yourself and giving up self-awareness and conscious thought >>IS NOT what self-discovery is about. In fact, this is the OPPOSITE! There >>are many opportunities out "there" to grow in Love and to become > acquainted >>with the larger concepts of Life and our existance. Sadly, "community" is >>not one of them. So please be aware and I hope you'll seek out other >> places >>to attend, especially if you are seeking the 'real' positive vibe in > Truth. >> >>Taking a chance for Love, >> >>Troy >> >>p.s. Please don't be afraid to shine that beautiful light inside of you. >>You were not made "wrong". Love is real! >> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 06:08:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA23817; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:08:55 -0700 Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA23811; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:08:53 -0700 Received: from worm-22.ppp.hooked.net (worm-22.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.214]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA15243; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607031308.GAA15243@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: johnm@mail.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 06:07:09 -0700 To: Wowser From: john mac Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:05 PM 7/2/96 -0700, Wowser wrote: >Hey sfravers! This post may take you a bit off guard and is a bit long, but >I REALLY needed to express myself. Can you relate? I hope so. This warning >post could may be considered weird, or kooky, or drug-induced....but it is >not in any way. I write simply because I care so much about all of you. > >I'll try to be brief and to the point, cause I know you all can handle it. >This will offend some of you, but those who appreciate the love of God and >the beautiful "positive" vibes we share at selected gatherings may well >appreciate what I've got to say. Others will not like this post, cause I'm >"outing" them bigtime. I've attended raves from New York to San Francisco >and points in-between. SF is actually my home, but I am away for a while. >The group called "Come unity" (aka: community) is bad news. I've been to >their gatherings before and they are bluntly...Satan-worshippers. And I do >mean this quite literally. They go beyond ideals of peganism and actually >practice worship of the ultimate negativity. They call out to demons, seek >to practice what they call "ancient" rites and are altogether very foolish. >The energy at their so-called gatherings is swirling, confusing and heated >with types of negativity that actually can molest unsuspecting individuals. >They will deny this completely if you confront any of their "members" and >will dodge all of the issues I speak of here. But as I have said, I know >this first hand. If you peel away the layers of novices and hapless people >who have simply stumbled into their party, you'll find a "secret" cult group >that is organized and diabolical. This is their core and it is quite ugly. > >My worst and best experience with them happened in 1994. I was called to >attend their gathering around 4:30am. It was at the SoundFactory space. >They absolutely hated my presence there because I was reaching out beyond >their self-imposed prision (that horrific negative energy I described >earlier). They bumped me. Heckled me. And attacked me in various ways. >Their eyes were big and black, and it was not due to 'crissy' or 'X'. >My crime? I was simply trying to shine my light, because I love all of you >so much. But the tables were turned on them. Let's just say that an >"awesome" assistance was rendered that night to turn the tables. Special >assistance was rendered from the ultimate Love vibe that night to help those >poor children, who were caught up in that nasty scene, see more clearly what >was going down. Thus, it was one of my worst because I found "community" to >be actual, bonifide, card carrying Satan-worshippers...and it was one of my >best experiences because they lost the "battle" that night. So to speak. >Their hexigons and magick candles and demons were seen by many for what they >really are: Foolishness. Emptiness. Lies. Powerlessness. Pathetic, huh? > >So here's my warning for each of you: be aware! Someone recently told me >there is nothing quite like experience..and to this I agree. But I must add >that immersing yourself and giving up self-awareness and conscious thought >IS NOT what self-discovery is about. In fact, this is the OPPOSITE! There >are many opportunities out "there" to grow in Love and to become acquainted >with the larger concepts of Life and our existance. Sadly, "community" is >not one of them. So please be aware and I hope you'll seek out other places >to attend, especially if you are seeking the 'real' positive vibe in Truth. > >Taking a chance for Love, > >Troy > >p.s. Please don't be afraid to shine that beautiful light inside of you. >You were not made "wrong". Love is real! > > > John Mac Renegade SoundSys. 'HOUSE MUSIC AIN'T NO CRIME" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 07:27:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA29793; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:27:59 -0700 Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA29788; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:27:56 -0700 Received: from unknown (crl12.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA23628 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:27:33 -0700 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: Wowser , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 14:12:56 GMT Message-Id: <31da7f1d.127554322@mail.crl.com> References: <199607030605.XAA21726@mail-gw.fsr.net> In-Reply-To: <199607030605.XAA21726@mail-gw.fsr.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk That'd be cool, Beavis... heh-heh, huh-huh, heh-heh, huh-huh Actually, if you saw the devil there, I think you should look inside yourself, that's where he comes from (for all of us). David On Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:05:33 -0700, you wrote: >their gatherings before and they are bluntly...Satan-worshippers. And I do >mean this quite literally. They go beyond ideals of peganism and actually >practice worship of the ultimate negativity. They call out to demons, seek >to practice what they call "ancient" rites and are altogether very foolish. >The energy at their so-called gatherings is swirling, confusing and heated >with types of negativity that actually can molest unsuspecting individuals. >They will deny this completely if you confront any of their "members" and >will dodge all of the issues I speak of here. But as I have said, I know >this first hand. If you peel away the layers of novices and hapless people >who have simply stumbled into their party, you'll find a "secret" cult group >that is organized and diabolical. This is their core and it is quite ugly. > >My worst and best experience with them happened in 1994. I was called to --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ This website is not yet rated. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 07:49:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA01730; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:49:52 -0700 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA01725; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:49:49 -0700 Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Wed, 3 Jul 96 07:50 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960703144854.3caf6edc@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 07:48:54 -0700 To: Lexan 99 From: Freak Zone Subject: Out of town promoters {wuz boat party] Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >and on another note: when i was in canada, the funky techno tribe came out >to toronto on tour or something and put on a party with Dose. my question >is: why do no outside production companies from other cities come to SF and >help put on parties? Cuz nobody else can rock it like San Francisco! -Sean _____________________________________ F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." (415) 227-7421 _____________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 08:41:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA07135; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:41:51 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA07128; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:41:49 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0ubU3o-0001UDC; Wed, 3 Jul 96 08:41 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Personal beliefs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk should be just that - PERSONAL. I think that trying to impose one's belief system on another is getting close to being the height of rudeness. No matter how much text, dogma and jargon people spout, NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE, FACE IT! I am a humanist and as such don't believe in any form of the supernatural. I do believe that there may be things in the universe that we will NEVER explain scientifically, however, simply because they are beyond our current ability to make sense of them. But God as a force can't be called supernatural either ... if he exists, he HAS to be a part of the whole and therefore part of nature. it's a litle too early in the morning for me to be getting into heavy shit like this but Wowser's post touched a nerve ... and THX1138's did too, from the opposite direction. I don't agree with any of the accusations Wowser levelled at Come Unity, but i just as strongly disagree with THX1138's lack of respect in his response. k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 08:46:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA07518; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:46:12 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA07511; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:46:09 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA16585; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:46:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:46:03 -0700 (PDT) To: Wowser cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** In-Reply-To: <199607030605.XAA21726@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Wowser wrote: > Hey sfravers! This post may take you a bit off guard and is a bit long, but > I REALLY needed to express myself. Can you relate? I hope so. This warning > post could may be considered weird, or kooky, or drug-induced....but it is ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Actually, probably lack thereof. I hear there has been great progress made in the field of anti-psychotic drugs. *SNIP* > be actual, bonifide, card carrying Satan-worshippers...and it was one of my Cool!!! Given that the Burning Man theme is Hell this year, you think I can sign up for my card there? Man, what will they think of next? Does the card entitle you to discounts anywhere, for Satan related business, like, I dunno, trips to a lawyer, or your next purchase of a Microsoft product? Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 08:56:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA08339; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:56:03 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA08320; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:56:00 -0700 Received: (from scarab@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA17204; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:55:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:55:58 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE To: Karen Hardie cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Personal beliefs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Karen Hardie wrote: > > But God as a force can't be called supernatural either ... if he exists, > he HAS to be a part of the whole and therefore part of nature. ^^ Don't you mean SHE? tee hee hee hee :P -Kaysee ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam**** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 08:57:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA08447; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:57:46 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA08438; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:57:41 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.7) id IAA15111; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607031557.IAA15111@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ROTFL Rick At 08:46 AM 7/3/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Wowser wrote: > >> Hey sfravers! This post may take you a bit off guard and is a bit long, but >> I REALLY needed to express myself. Can you relate? I hope so. This warning >> post could may be considered weird, or kooky, or drug-induced....but it is > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Actually, probably lack thereof. I hear there has been great progress made >in the field of anti-psychotic drugs. > >*SNIP* > >> be actual, bonifide, card carrying Satan-worshippers...and it was one of my > >Cool!!! Given that the Burning Man theme is Hell this year, you think I >can sign up for my card there? Man, what will they think of next? Does >the card entitle you to discounts anywhere, for Satan related business, >like, I dunno, trips to a lawyer, or your next purchase of a Microsoft >product? > > Black Adder > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 09:00:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA08735; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:00:39 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA08728; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:00:35 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA13101 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:58:41 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA23341 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:00:34 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27797 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:00:32 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:01:06 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: RE: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk We don't need no religious debate here. Isn't there a more appropriate forum for it? - E >Dear Wowser; > > First of all there is NO GOD, you've been lied to as we all have. >Second I've >been to Community many times and if they are in satan worship they also >have been lied >to because it doesn't exsist either. The bible is trash as well as the >satanic one; they >are both self subscribed, self perpetuating, control systems; don't >believe the hype, >and stop doing speed. > *snipped to save space* From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 09:07:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA09375; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:07:34 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA09366; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:07:31 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.7) id JAA16307; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607031607.JAA16307@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Personal beliefs Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 08:55 AM 7/3/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Karen Hardie wrote: > >> >> But God as a force can't be called supernatural either ... if he exists, >> he HAS to be a part of the whole and therefore part of nature. > ^^ > Don't you mean SHE? > > >tee hee hee hee :P ^^^ Don't you mean shee shee shee she :P Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 09:34:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA12540; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:34:47 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA12531; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:34:44 -0700 Received: from [131.106.1.76] by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id JAA09205; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:34:43 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:34:36 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Ti-Fred Torres Subject: RE: "Comeunity Warning" **Warning** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk daddy--what does regret mean? Well, son--a funny thing about regret is, it's better to regret something you have done than to regret something you haven't done. And by the way, if you see your mother at Comeunity, tell her SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 09:35:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA12637; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:35:19 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA12628; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:35:14 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA14541 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:33:20 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA26564 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:35:13 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03844 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:35:12 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:35:44 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Time out! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OK, everyone! Take a breath. Feel the love (might have to boost your signal gain...there, that'll do it). Resume your regular activities. :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 09:43:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA13719; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:43:12 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA13700; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:43:06 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18182 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:41:35 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA22692 for Sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:34:49 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Promise vs Comeunity??? Date: 03 Jul 1996 17:19:46 GMT Message-Id: <1473183742.45320068@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok, so who's going where tonite??? I had thoughts of Come/Unity... However mingleing with the Club Kidz till 2AM dosen't really agree with me... Promise lives up to it's name with it's lineup alone... I've been to both locations before so the sense of "something new" is a moot point, the costs is the same and they're about 10 -15 Min from each other... Hmmm, any suggestions... (Belive me the "come/unity warning" post has been filed under the: "Humor/ This is the reason not to take too much drugs" section of my mail, and is in no way swaying my decision...) "Dance with me..." -Adam ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 09:57:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA15529; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:57:17 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA15510; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:57:11 -0700 From: Derek Chung Message-Id: <199607031657.JAA15510@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: The Independence Day SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 20149 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It'll be a long, fun weekend (especially if you can take Friday off too!) - Freedom, Wicked, Organic and Bulletproof are all doing parties, and the Gateway campout, Promise and the big Thurzdaze show sure look good too. There's also a Stompy event at 1015 during the day on the Fourth; I lost the flyer but it should be fun. Trust me :). THE SFR CALENDAR http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Wednesday, July 3rd - Next School and Space Children presents _The Promise_ ...from this journey, you shall return Ryde (Chocolate Factory, NYC), Galen, Henrik, Ethan, Surge, Andre Lucero, Tracy, Solar, Abstract, Radley, Richie, Sean Murray. $7 before 11pm $10. 415.974.4391 415.273.1622 Thursday, July 4th - _Chateau de Boom_ fundraiser for San Mateo AIDS Services noon-8pm, $3. Hillsboro "classic spelling". 415.572.3250 Thursday, July 4th - _rhumboogie_ Rob Doten, Gavan, Gina. 9pm-2am, 21+. coco lounge, 139 8th St @ Minna, SF. Thursday, July 4th - _Kool-Aid_ Ghost, Trent, Vibes, Arturo Garces, Witch Dockter, 9T9, Vince. Visuals by Party Zone. $9. Modesto Centre Plaza, 10th & K St, Modesto. 800.385.3472 Thursday, July 4th - _Independence ThurZdaze_ Donald Glaude, Tony, Simon, Josh, Jin, Ghost, Frank Nitty, Nam, Kwashi, Spinner, Essence, DJ Fro, Paucus, and More.....17 DJs in all. indoor/outdoor space w/permits 8PM until.....415.605.1915 510.726.5947 Friday, July 5th - Gateway presents _Light Campout_ John Carel, Minor Minor, Monty, James Dee, Ethan, Erika, Sean Murray, Alex, Joe Rice, Andrew, Consciousness Lab Collective, Rob, Claire. runs all weekend in the woods north of Placerville. Activities include hiking, swimming, dancing, biking, games... $15. Placerville. 415.536.9453 Friday, July 5th - Organic presents _independance_ DJ Sneak, Ryde (NY), DJ Dan, Graeme, Kimo. 415.266.8215 415.266.9215 408.236.2205 916.484.3727 Saturday, July 6th - Wicked Markie, Garth, Jeno, Thomas. 11pm-7am, 21+, $15. 174 King St, SF. 415.512.5713 Saturday, July 6th - the people who brought you the Gathering presents _Freedom_ The Idjut Boys (England), Tony, Josh, Spun, Jon Williams, Rob Vaughan (Dallas), DJ Dan, Galen, Rob Doten, Alex, Darkhorse, Nick Philip, Pollywog, Joe Rice, A Man Called Malcolm. outdoors 7pm-11:11am, . 415.905.9629 415.522.3994 Sunday, July 7th - Bulletproof presents _The Boat Party_ Markie, Mark Farina, Eric Lacy, Gavan, Felix the Dogge, Consuelo. Visuals by Dimension Se7en. departs 7pm from the Ferry Building. advance tix at Bulletproof, 629 Haight. 7pm-midnight, $25. SF. 415.255.7168 Friday, July 12nd - Intoxication Tony, Jon Bishop, Carlos, John Howard, Donald Glaude, Dreamer, Preston, Pat Allen. $10 w/can of food. 415.437.6905 510.674.8663 Friday, July 12nd - Dripdrop & SF Familee presents _Nafarius_ John Howard, Solar, Blackstone, Nick B, Tony Fader, Gabriel, Ananta, Subal, Tommy Underwood, Devlin, John, Keith, Steve, Backyard Battle in My Mother's Kitchen featuring S.K.O. vs. Diversity (live). please bring a can of food for Project Open Hand 415.436.0979 408.421.7189 Saturday, July 13rd - 6 in da Mornin Productions presents _Ground Zero_ Jim Hopkins, Simon, Ghost, Atommix, Josh, Liquid, Frank Nitty, Kimo, Essence, Kwashi, Spinner. Visuals by C.A.D., Trips R Us. 120,000 sq ft indoor/outdoor action 800.590.7032 415.709.7989 Saturday, July 13rd - Pro-Soy presents _Chi_ Drenalin, Deaks, Tim McKnew, Cloud, Blue, Jon Williams, Jon E S, Claire, Cyril, Mike S, Maya, Scott. Organic breakfast in the morning along with other goodies $10. SF. 408.457.7726 415.635.6815 Saturday, July 13rd - blasthaus presents _the acid funk ball_ Gavin Hardkiss, Scott Hardkiss, Robbie Hardkiss, broun fellinis, Mark Farina, Manny, Gavan Duffy, Dani, the Baroness. Visuals by Craig Baldwin, Dave/Hyperdelic, Reed/Looksee. 10pm-8am, $18. the Trocadero, 520 4th St @ Bryant, SF. 415.789.8044 Saturday, July 13rd - _Unlock the House_ Doc Martin, DubTribe, Jeno, Spun. Visuals by Donovan. 415.339.8014 Saturday, July 20th - _Cloud Factory 2-year anniversary_ drenalin, Bryce, Tim McKnew, Deaks, MC^2, Cloud, Brian. Monterrey area. 408.457.7726 Saturday, July 20th - Ultra 5 presents _Eon_ Eric Davenport, Barry Weaver, Steven Ankele, Karizma, Jeyson, Kimo, Tyree Cooper, Terry Mullan, Onionz, Rob Vaughan, Scott Henry, DJ Who. Visuals by Las Vegas Laser, Hollywood Dog, Lumatech. 8pm-. 800.204.3986 408.345.2399 415.437.5503 916.484.4006 Saturday, July 20th - Urb presents _Future Primitive Soundsession_ DJ Spooky - That Subliminal Kid. 415.905.8868 Saturday, July 20th - SFR Collective presents _BBQ & Beats II_ Todd Manley, Jonathan, DJ Tom, Ethan. please bring food to share grill will be hot from 2pm-7pm outdoors 2pm-9pm, All ages, Free. 415.974.4357 Friday, August 2nd - The Brotherhood of Indonesia presents _Planet E_ Jim Hopkins, Donald Glaude, Tony, Jeno, Ghost, Frank Nitty, Simon, Rick Preston, Essence, Kwashi, Kevin Kind, Joshua. 415.560.5314 408.235.9344 415.340.5607 Friday, August 9th - GrooveKid and FunkyBeat Productions presents _Fed Ex_ DJ Dan, Donald Glaude, Tony, Simon, Jim Hopkins, Josh. 120,000 sq.ft. indoor/outdoor space 415.605.1915 510.726.5947 Saturday, August 10th - Spundae presents _Nation_ Sasha (UK), John Digweed (UK), Simon, DJ Dan, Henrik. presale tix on sale July 1st 415.764.2922 Wednesday, August 28th - Burning Man 1996 includes Wicked, Dimension Se7en, Gateway Systems, CCC, Drop Bass Network, SPAZ and Generation of Noise Sound Systems. save $10 by registering by June 1st. runs entire weekend, through September 2nd. All ages, $35. Black Rock Desert, Nevada. 415.985.7471 Saturday, September 14th - _Harmony_ Three Year Anniversary the final Harmony - presale tix only! 408.486.9591 408.450.3044 _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... Wednesday _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first Wednesday of the month. 10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815 _Boost_ - old school uplifting house w/DJs Jamie J, Hector the ejector. 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. 415.703.7105 _Roots_ - House, Dub, Reggae w/DJs Garth, Jeno, guests. Buna & guests in the dub reggae room 10pm-4am, 21+, $6. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.512.5713 _cosmic lounge _- space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle w/DJs Caspar, Paul, Seth, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF. _Reunion_ - Danny, Naz Cafe, guests. 9pm-, 21+, Free. The Fulton Bar, 1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332 _Thirsty_ - tasty house tunes and even better company w/DJs Jellybear, Jay-J, top notch guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _The Lounge_ - 9pm-3am, 21+. 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.922.8041x4240 _Wish_ - techno, house w/DJs guests weekly. Lighting by EyeTribe 18+. Bahia, 1600 Market St, SF. 415.436.0663 _Belief_ - house w/DJs Julius Papp, Harry Who?, Rick Preston. begins 5.22. 10pm-, 21+. Agenda basement, 1st & San Salvador, San Jose. _Jackin' the Box_ - weeklytechnohousejammyinnadetroitchicagostylee w/DJs jon santos, samuel, guests. 10pm-2am, 18+, $5. 375 1st St @ Harrison, SF. Boogie Bowl - house, techno w/DJs John Howard, Tracy, Dave, Virg, guests. admission includes bowling and pool. 10pmm-3am, $8. Country Club Bowl, 88 Vivian Way @ E.Francisco, San Rafael. 415.456.6440 _Flux_ - techno, house w/DJs DJ Dan, guests. 10pm-3am+, 18+, $6. 2246 Jerrold St, SF. 415.541.5646 [7.3 - Donald Glaude, Tony, Graeme, Kelli] [7.10 - DJ Dan, Jim Hopkins, Andre Lucero] Thursday Lift - House, Funk w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jay-J, Black, guests. 12mid-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma, SF. 415.267.5984 Velvet Shop - House, Techno. 21+, $5. Agenda Bass-ment, 399 S 1st @ San Salvador, SJ. 408.235.1556 _Azul_ - House, Soul w/DJs Alfie, James. 21+, Free. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF. Full House - Acid Jazz, House w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen, Andrew Rawnsley, Bruno Ybarra, guests, live musicians. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. Miss Pearl's Jam House, Eddy & Larkin, SF. Pack-a-Bowl - "We'll be droppin the wax while you're droppin the balls" w/DJs Mars, Tracy, guests. 8:30pm-2am, $6. Park Bowl, Haight @ Stanyan, SF. 415.541.5019 [7.4 - Demigod, Mars, Mystr-E] .blitz - foxyboysfancygirlsfreshmademixes begins April 4th 21+. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. _Le Jazz Hot!_ - future sounds for jazz heads w/DJs Andrew Jervis, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Nickies BBQ, 460 Haight, SF. 415.621.6508 _Real_ - house, techno. every first Thursday of the month 9pm-2am, 18+, $7. Pantages Theater, 1225 K St Mall, Sacramento. 916.565.9588 _Revolutionary Wax_ - coax your evolutionary ass w/DJs Consuelo Kevin, John John (Open Mind), James (Tweekin). 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th St, SF. 415.252.7740 _Green_ - house, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 10pm-2am, 18+. the top of the Wharf Cafe, the end of the Santa Cruz Wharf, Santa Cruz. _Thirzdaze_ - bringing you the true frisco groove w/DJs DJ Dan, Donald Glaude, guests. 415.605.1915 510.726.5947 [7.4 - 17 DJs, 2 rooms, BBQ] _Seven Up_ - house w/DJs Guests weekly. 10pm-, 21+. Germania Lounge, 261 N.2nd St @ Julian, San Jose. _soulvation_ - acid jazz, hiphop w/DJs Roman, George, Aural B, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. elbo room, 647 Valencia, SF. _Osmosis_ - house w/DJs Pete Avila, Jeno, Martha Wash (live), Jocelyn Brown (live). 10pm-4am, 21+, $10. V/sf, 278 11th @ Folsom, SF. 415.280.5850 Friday _ Sound Factory _- House w/DJs Pete Avila, David Harness, guests. 9:30pm-7am, 21+, $10. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Soul'd Out_ - House w/DJs Julius Papp, Rick Preston, guests. free before 10:30 9pm-, 21+, $5. The Usual, 400 S.1st St., San Jose. _Nocturnal Transmission_ - House w/DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez, Saint John, guests. $5 before midnight. 11pm-5am, 21+, $10. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.957.1730 _Go Fast_ - Techno. Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come too). 10pm-. 8th & Minna, SF. _Liquid Fridays_ - House w/DJs various DJs. 10pm-2am, 18+, Free. 2721 Broadway, Sacramento., Sacramento. 916.484.4285 the green door - "where circles meet squares" w/DJs andrew, thomas, caspar, paul, felix the dog, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $7. 880 Stevenson @ 10th, SF. _Nikita_ - house, techno w/DJs Jeno, Simon, Henrik. 10pm-7am, 21+, $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568 [7.5 - Roger S, Markie, Taj] _The Scene_ - 21+. the EndUp, 401 6th @ Harrison, SF. 415.393.9067 _Beats_ - house, breakbeat, trance w/DJs Carlos Campos, Karizma, weekly guests. 7042 Folsom Blvd between Howe and 65th, Sacramento. 415.273.1345 916.558.0850 _This Side Up_ - house, techno w/DJs guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. _the atomic cafe_ - acid jazz, trip hop, house w/DJs Finn, Matty B, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. Voodoo, Eddy & Larkin, SF. 415.267.4822 [7.5 - Felix, Thomas] [7.12 - The Baroness] [7.19 - Harry Who?] [7.26 - Sunshine (dubtribe)] Saturday _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady, Nikki Rivera, guests. saturday morning 6am-, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF. _Sound Factory _- big club sounds 9:30pm-4am, 21+. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr. Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457 55 - House, Euro w/DJs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez, guests. 21+. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.267.1858 _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights. 10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903 Vertigo - Psycho, Techno, Disco, Funk w/DJs Ellen Ferrato, Dave Peterson, Lewis. 10pm-, 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. 415.703.7172 _Liquid Vinyl_ - House w/DJs Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard, guests. 2am-6am, 21+, $8. DV8, 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730 phunkatech - Jungle w/DJs UFO, Noel, guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.995.4699 _Metro Jazz _- Acid Jazz w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Mauricio Avilas, Tom Thump, Franky, guests. 10pm-, 21+, $7. 111 Minna St, SF. 415.974.1719 Sunday _ Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel, weekly guests. free b4 10:30p For Technotica, call 415.764.2922 10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389 _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore, SF. 415.771.2583 _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B, guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256 Quench - House w/DJs Rick Preston, Ryan Tapia, guests. 21+. The Usual, 400 South First St., San Jose. 408.535.0330 subbass - jungle, drum'n'bass, trip hop w/DJs noel, abstract, jawbone. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 270 Brannan @ 2nd, SF. 415.905.8865 Strawberry Sundays - techno, house w/DJs Dutch, Jazz-E, Corey, Oscure, Jesse. $5 for under 21;. 6am-, 18+, $3. Bahia, 1600 Market St., SF. 415.635.9183 Mantra - A hypnotic trance-inducing affirmation. w/DJs Dutch, Surge, Theta Blip, Abstract, Noel, UFO, Thad, guests. 10pm-3am, 18+, $5. 683 Clementina Alley, SF. 415.331.1500x888 Monday Mushroom Jazz - acid jazz, trip hop w/DJs Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius Papp, guests. 9pm-3am, 21+, $5. 330 Ritch St, SF. 415.905.8811 _Noc Noc_ - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJs Mohsen. 21+, Free. 557 Haight St., SF. _Tongue n' Groove _- trip hop, jungle, acid jazz w/DJs tomas, seth, m.mark, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. Cat's Grill & Alley, 1190 Folsom @ 8th, SF. 415.431.3332 _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu, stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151 Folsom St, SF. _21st sensory _- abstractbeatz-hiphop-dub-drum n'bass-electro w/DJs Tomas, Abstract, guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.974.4358 _Movement_ - trance, breakbeat, jungle w/DJs Julio, Kimo. 10pm-2am, 18+, $3. Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market @ Franklin, SF. 415.263.5797 Tuesday Butterfly - Hip Hop, Acid Jazz, House, Funk w/DJs Charlotte, Dani, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $2. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF. Breathe Deep - House w/DJs Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. 1015 Folsom., SF. 415.998.9515 _Begin..._ - house, trip hop, trance w/DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley, Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, Anna. 9pm-2am, All ages. The Inn of the Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati, Cotati. 707.524.4443 _Succotash!_ - tasty jazz - funk - beats - space w/DJs tom thump, rasta q-tip. 21+, Free. up & down club, 1151 folsom st., SF. _supper_ - funk, acid jazz w/DJs Caspar, guests. 21+, Free. Julie's Supper Club, 1123 Folsom @ 7th, SF. 415.861.0707 _Light-n-Up Lounge_ - house w/DJs Preston, guests. 21+. 111 Minna St, SF. _L-Tryptophan_ - ambient, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 21+, Free. 1624 California @ Van Ness, SF. _Lost in Space_ - house, hip-hop w/DJs Pause, Dark Money, Winnie B, Eric Lacy. 21+, Free. Cafe Mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF. _Eclectic_ - house, jungle, drum & bass w/DJs Yamu, Siege, Franko, Foster, guests. Fresh fruit & condoms to all 9pm-2am, 21+. Paradise Bar & Grill, 5356 College Ave, Oakland. _The Deep_ - house, techno. 9pm-2am, . Palookaville, 1133 Pacific Ave, Santa Cruz?. 408.425.3316 _Speakeasy_ - house w/DJs Shannon, John Howard, guests. semi-weekly Coco Club, 139 8th St, SF. _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Fatline - 415.207.3668 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.473.3535 * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Monday afternoon 12:30-3:00 pm - DJ Jerecho presents the best of the urban polyrhythmic experience jungle, acid jazz, techno, electro, breakbeat KDVS, 90.3 FM (Davis) * Wednesday night/Thursday morning 3am-6am - "Aural Fixation" experimental sounds of ambient and trip hop with a splash of hi nrg, from trance to jungle. KZSC 88.1 fm (Santa Cruz) * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" Beats and atmospherics w/DJ Seth. KALX 90.7 (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Jungle, Detroit, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF) * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1 KMEL. * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF. * Friday night/Saturday morning - the Uncle Noah TV Show - the best in Techno and House music. 3-5am, KDVS 90.3fm (Davis) * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@flux.net * Saturday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. and Monkeywrench KZSU 90.1 (Stanford) _________________________________________________________________ For a _search_ interface to the calendar, see the Late Train club section (http://www.hyperreal.com/zines/late/clubs/). _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with either the line subscribe sfraves-calendar or unsubscribe sfraves-calendar There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with the line subscribe sfraves in the body of the message. Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 10:07:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA16676; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:07:29 -0700 Received: from xanax. by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA16665; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:07:27 -0700 Received: from xanax by xanax. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA01838; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:05:36 -0700 Message-ID: <31DAA860.7B1B@excite.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 10:05:36 -0700 From: John Kawamoto Organization: Excite, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aguevara@compattic.com CC: Sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Promise vs Comeunity??? References: <1473183742.45320068@compattic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm definitely going to "The Promise" simply because of it's printed message/story inside the flyers...the story is AMAZINGLY BEAUTIFUL!!! I was going to transcribe it and post it to SFRaves but I've given all my flyers away and don't have any more copies with me here at work! I have an extra copy of just the story at home so I'll make some photocopies and bring them to the party tonight...I'd love to give you a copy if you haven't read it yet, just ask me for one! I'll be wearing a Curious George t-shirt and I have really short hair and am about 5'8" and asian. Peace Everyone! John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 10:16:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA17618; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:16:47 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA17600; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:16:37 -0700 Received: from (solle@srf-ca5-22.ix.netcom.com [199.182.131.182]) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA25742; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:15:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:15:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199607031715.KAA25742@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: solle@ix.netcom.com (Sunny) Subject: Fwd: WICKED (BP) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Cc: solle@solle.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** ANNOUNCEMENT ** <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< AEROBICS CLASS SATURDAY NIGHT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be holding my monthly aerobics class on the floor of 174 King Street Garage on Saturday July 6, between 12 a.m. - 7 a.m. Please remember to wear comfortable shoes and consult your physician before attending. I look forward to seeing you sweat, smile, and GET YOUR GROOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your Instructor, -SUNNY Solle Clothing Co. (NoCal) "Yum Yum Gimme Some!" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- Begin Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 08:22:23 -0700 From: Solle Clothing Organization: Solle Clothing Co. (San Diego) To: solle@ix.netcom.com Subject: WICKED San Diego is too hot we're coming up for WICKED. 'nuff said. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 10:24:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18865; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:24:28 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18857; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:24:26 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA14346 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:24:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 10:20:12 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: ROFL ........... To: SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING, now this is the way to wake up; the sad think is most of my best stuff is still here on my computer. I pulled a lot of punches last night, hey but I'm laughing and having a great time, how bout you. Heck I'm proabily going to burn in hell, but I've lots o friends there. Peace & Good Humor To All; I'm glad I Made some of you smile and laugh, cause I sure am right know. = > THX1138 --------------------------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/3/96 Time: 10:20:12 AM --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 10:32:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA19801; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:32:59 -0700 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19789; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:32:54 -0700 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02122; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:30:27 -0700 From: Marisa Giancarla Message-Id: <199607031730.KAA02122@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: Gay Day To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: from "Eric P. Peterson" at Jul 2, 96 03:06:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1028 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk E, > I hope that all the straights who attended the events in the City were > welcomed, and not resented, feared, etc., just for being straight. Some of Yes, they were quite welcome there. I think everyone was just having a good time, and I didn't see any kind of hostility going towards the het couples I saw walking around or enjoying the music. > us are not a threat to anyone. Part of the reason (a VERY small part) that > I didn't attend was that I felt my presence might not be wanted, or that I > might be confronted with a situation with which I'd be uncomfortable (I've > been approached before, and it frightened me). Does anyone understand what > I'm saying? Any thoughts? Please be kind :) You shouldn't have worried, last weekend was a weekend for all peoples, straight or otherwise, to meet, mingle, and share a day in the sun. I know that I didn't care about the (I can only assume) straight guys coming up to me and asking to have their picture taken with me. It was just a really cool vibe. Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:13:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA24157; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:13:39 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24140; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:13:33 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09365; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:13:33 -0700 Received: (enigma@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA20493; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:13:15 -0700 From: George Feil Message-Id: <199607031813.LAA20493@shellx.best.com> Subject: Re: Gay Day (NRR) To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Eric P. Peterson" at Jul 2, 96 03:06:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2351 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I hope that all the straights who attended the events in the City were > welcomed, and not resented, feared, etc., just for being straight. Some of > us are not a threat to anyone. Part of the reason (a VERY small part) that > I didn't attend was that I felt my presence might not be wanted, or that I > might be confronted with a situation with which I'd be uncomfortable (I've > been approached before, and it frightened me). Does anyone understand what > I'm saying? Any thoughts? Please be kind :) I totally get where you're coming from. Sometimes I get the heebeejeebees just walking around The Castro on an average day. In the past, I've had members of my gender attempt to pick me up on the street more often than women have. It had a way of calling into question my manliness, if you know what I mean. As for the parade, I attended it for the first time with four of my friends -- all of us being straight, to a degree. (I don't consider it to be a black and white thing, really.) I found the scene very entertaining. One of my favorite bits was the group of paraders toting a banner that read, "Straights for Gay Rights". That was right on for us. Another one was when I saw one of my roommates (who happens to be of the lesbian persuasion) walking along on the very last float in the parade, The Church of Radiant Light. We shared waves, smiles, and blown kisses as she marched by. Needless to say, I felt quite welcome there (and I wasn't even hit on, either). It's all come a long way for me. Ever since high school, when classmates called me a "faggot", I was quite homophobic. I was programmed to think that being straight was normal, at a time when I was in great need of acceptance. It wasn't until I moved to New York City in 1990, and got to know several gay and lesbian people well, that I was able to confront that biggotry of the past, and what created it, and open myself up to accept and be related with people of all sexual persuasions. My advice for you is to inquire into how you became who you are sexaully. What were those moments in your past that forced you to make the sort of decisions that I made back in high school? What does being gay mean to you? What judgements and opinions do you have about gay men, and gay culture? PLUR, George (about an 8 on the gay-straight scale, 10 being totally straight) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:13:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA24156; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:13:39 -0700 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24141; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:13:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA01655; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:13:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199607031813.LAA01655@netcom16.netcom.com> To: Wowser Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Jul 96 23:05:33 PDT." <199607030605.XAA21726@mail-gw.fsr.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 96 11:13:28 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > p.s. Please don't be afraid to shine that beautiful light inside of you. > You were not made "wrong". Love is real! I'm not afraid to shine my beautiful judeo/pagan/pantheist light on you. My light sees that you are steaming pile of shit with a halo of flies. You need to deprogram yourself from your twisted schooling in Christianity, in whose name the greatest evils of this earth have been perpetrated (crusades, pogroms, witch burgnings, slavery, and the rape/abuse of innocent children at the hands of "celibate" priests and nuns). Lots of dead souls hovering around there, killed/tortured/maimed/repressed at the expense of your smothering, mind-numbing, lie-perpetuating, stupefying "christian" love. Jesus can kiss my ass, not because of who he was (a charismatic jew of the essene order), but because of what asshole christians like yourself have twisted his "love" into. Also, just because "signs and symbols" of paganism are used, doesn't make a group satanic -- and satanism is completely different from paganism. Those symbols existed long before that charlatan called Jesus became the comic-book hero of the unwashed and stupid 2000 years ago, and Satan was just reinvented to provide a balanced dialectic anti-hero for the comic book we call the New Testament. The Old Testament doesn't really give a flying fuck about Satan he's just part of "the one" which encompasses good/bad, love/hate and all dialectics imaginable. We jews believe in the "one" (adonai echad!, ALL-IN-ONE-GOD-FAITH of Rabbi Hillel (Jesus' teacher), and the everything-is-god of the Jewish Pantheists (Spinoza)). All this "one" is a funny precursor to today's "everything is related" new-agism and nature-worshipping paganism that might be found amongst ravers today. The "one" is also an essential part of "funk", as in the unique booty-freeing rhythmic structure invented by James Brown and handed down to his funky house/techno/dub disciples today, it's the same "one" that DJ's aspire to when they beatmatch... finding the universal rhythm of god in nature and beats ... it's the "one" in which dancers come together as a whole "sum is greater than the parts" that makes a rave (or COME/UNITY). You're god, I'm god, we're all god and so is the earth and the heavens. Once you realize that you can make your own heaven here on earth by believing in "the one" you can do away with your pathetic christian notions of a paternalistic "god" and a paternalistic anti-god called "satan" and seek your salvation in your direct future of the here and now. Personally, I *LIKE* it when satanic symbols are used at raves. It keeps butt-stupid spoon-fed-by-ignorant-lies-to-keep-them-submissive Christians like yourself away from a perfectly good party. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:18:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA24651; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:18:37 -0700 Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24643; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:18:33 -0700 From: Begroovy@aol.com Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00315 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:17:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:17:54 -0400 Message-ID: <960703141753_426968806@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey did you dig some of that old Woodstock brown acid out of your bottom drawer? That stuff doesn't have a very good shelf life? Maybe thought about giving up drugs alltogether? They weren't designed for everyone? Seeking proffessional help? And last whatever happened to pronoia? Have a great day, Peace! Cid From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:25:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25250; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:25:08 -0700 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25244; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:25:04 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA13478; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:25:04 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607031825.LAA13478@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: Come/Unity AND Promise ? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:25:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 702 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] Come/Unity AND Promise - Why Not ??? Seeing the recent topic thread of Come/Unity vs. Promise - I thought to myself "Why not try to attend BOTH?" Pros: I would see more folks that I know if I go to both events. Musical variety Crowd contrasts Cons: Missing "favorite" DJs if I'm at "the other place" May get kept out if there are no "ins-and-outs" allowed So - Will Come/Unity allow ins-and-outs ? Will Promise allow ins-and-outs ? Come/Unity is scheduled to go until 4AM - what about Promise? How far will Promise be from 1015 Folsom? Any answers to my questions would be gratefully received! Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:34:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26103; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:34:47 -0700 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26096; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:34:44 -0700 Received: from 42-183.client.gnn.com. (42-183.client.gnn.com [205.188.42.183]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA14380; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607031832.OAA14380@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:31:33 From: ravebabe@gnn.com (Carol Saldana) To: aguevara@compattic.com, Sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Promise vs Comeunity??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk you wrote: >Ok, so who's going where tonite??? > Since tonight feels like a friday to me, I thought I'd check it out...some friends of mine and I have been missing Jeno and Garth sets, so it looks like Comeunity for Xris and me. PS- I'll be wearing a floorlenght colorful sleeveless vestdress and Xris will have on his laminates:) Have a good one everyone! "Peace or Anialiation" XX OO C From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:38:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26495; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:38:32 -0700 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26484; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:38:28 -0700 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com (federal-excess.apple.com [17.255.0.16]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA04064 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:37:56 -0700 Received: from gateway.apple.com ([17.7.4.1]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18038 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:37:25 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Jul 1996 11:36:31 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: Need Megabass Sampling CD S To: "sfr" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 b3 d1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey SampleHeads! I'm trying to get ahold of the MegaBass Sampling CD. I borrowed it from a friend (who has since lost the CD!) and sampled a ton of vocal stuff. The drive that the samples were on took a nasty fall and, well, it no work no more. All I need is One vocal sample off the CD, called "Crying for More". If anyone has this CD, Please Email me privatly. Thanxs!! -M ps - on a related note, does anyone have the address for the Electronica Mailing list?? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:45:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27132; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:45:22 -0700 Received: from idiom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27126; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:45:19 -0700 Received: from [206.14.123.56] (lmnt.dial.idiom.com [206.14.123.56]) by idiom.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA05862; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:44:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lmnt@c2.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:59:14 -0800 To: "Niels P. Mayer" From: lmnt@immersivearts.org (ed colmar) Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Personally, I *LIKE* it when satanic symbols are used at raves. It >keeps butt-stupid spoon-fed-by-ignorant-lies-to-keep-them-submissive >Christians like yourself away from a perfectly good party. YES! =) My favorite was "Decension" Put together by the drop bass network in Milwaukee. On the flyer it had a grinning red devil, complete with pitchfork!!! Designed for this exact reason!!! It was an EXCELLENT though intense party! ::HUGS:: e _______ ___________________________________ | CDJ LMNT | | Aural Pilot | http://www.immersivearts.org/lmnt/ _______| immersiveArts |___________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:45:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27164; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:45:33 -0700 Received: from bethe.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA27157; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:45:30 -0700 Received: by bethe.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA26074; Wed, 3 Jul 96 11:44:43 PDT From: alves@bethe.ucdavis.edu (David Alves) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 11:44:43 PDT Message-Id: <9607031844.AA26074@bethe.ucdavis.edu> To: mayer@netcom.com, tuskluv@lewiston.com Subject: Re: spooning with satan Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Bless you raver son, Your email was too long to actually read Niels but I saw something about spoonfed and thought fondly of myself ... a day late - Crash Worship has not an ounce of musical interestingness to back up their cake throwing freak parade. The show blew ... I left after about 1/2 hour or 45 minutes. my line - used only once (so is it really a line?) - at that concert was "no one told me I was supposed to wear face paint" to which I received the somewhat clever or at least snappy retort "I wear it every day honey (wink)". I can't help myself - I'm going to quote Gertrude Stein who is actually quoting Pablo Picasso ... "They are not men, they are not women, they are Americans." Have a happy 4th! Dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:47:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27350; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:47:52 -0700 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27342; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:47:49 -0700 Received: from 42-183.client.gnn.com. (42-183.client.gnn.com [205.188.42.183]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA19895 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607031847.OAA19895@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:45:49 From: ravebabe@gnn.com (Carol Saldana) To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Promise vs Comeunity??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I wrote: > it looks like Comeunity for Xris and me. Well, just got off the phone with another sf raver (sprightly c) and looks like "Promise" won*** So, whoever is going to C. have fun!! Need to hear Ethan and Solar tonight:) >"Peace or Anialiation" > >XX >OO >C > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:51:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27632; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:51:07 -0700 Received: from toaster by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27621; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:51:02 -0700 Received: from waffle.berksys.com by toaster via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI) id LAA27844; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:48:26 -0700 Received: from [192.216.218.207] (mactech.berksys.com [192.216.218.207]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA03987; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:43:57 -0700 X-Sender: cohara@mail.Berksys.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:51:20 -0800 To: "Niels P. Mayer" From: Cohara@Berksys.com (KironO) Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Personally, I *LIKE* it when satanic symbols are used at raves. It >keeps butt-stupid spoon-fed-by-ignorant-lies-to-keep-them-submissive >Christians like yourself away from a perfectly good party. Neil : While I find the rest of your message both infomative and informed as well as entertaining, I don't agree with the closing paragraph. Of course I acknowledge the fact that you are expressing a personal opinion but my own opinion is that rave paries should be kept free of all religious and political interference. I extend this viewpoint to the recent Gays at Raves discussion. Why use labels such as religion, color, gender preference, etc. to pigeon-hole each other ? This happens enough in the world outside of the parties we attend. I beleive that any organised religion is a personal matter for an individual. For centuries religion has been used as a tool to beat your neighbor with or an exuse to hate someone you don't even know or looks different to you. In Nicholas Saunders book "ecstacy" he writes about the rave scene in Northern Ireland. Here, he tells about Catholic and Protestants coming together and partying. This NEVER happened in the days before house/Techno. In closing, I think any religious affiliations should be left at the club entrance. P.S. See you all at Come-unity tonight. I'll be the one without the inverted pentagram. :-) Peace, Kiron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:52:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27909; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:52:47 -0700 Received: from crl.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA27895; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:52:43 -0700 Received: by crl.crl.com id AA04197 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:46:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:46:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Ankrum To: Larry Ching Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Come/Unity AND Promise ? In-Reply-To: <199607031825.LAA13478@netcom22.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Larry Ching wrote: > Come/Unity is scheduled to go until 4AM - what about Promise? > > How far will Promise be from 1015 Folsom? I called the voicemail this am, and Promise is at 21st and Mission. I'm going to swing by there on my lunch hour to see what the location's like, but my impression is that it's sorta residential around there. I don't know what the possibilities are for noise complaints, but I wonder if it'll really go all night. Anyone else have some perspective? :) Kathryn From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 11:53:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28097; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:53:35 -0700 Received: from locusts.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA28089; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:53:31 -0700 Received: (from dlb@localhost) by locusts.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA20822; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:53:31 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:53:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@locusts.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: Out of town promoters {wuz boat party] In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960703144854.3caf6edc@ultima.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Freak Zone wrote: > >and on another note: when i was in canada, the funky techno tribe came out > >to toronto on tour or something and put on a party with Dose. my question > >is: why do no outside production companies from other cities come to SF and > >help put on parties? > > Cuz nobody else can rock it like San Francisco! Well, actually a few have. Sebastin from Spiral Tribe came over and was doing parties with SPAZ, but few people went out to them. Think about this, how many people will come out to a party that does not have a reputation in SF? How many people will come out to a party that doesn't print a big huge flyer with the same five names on it? A name goes a really long way in SF as far as I have seen, and if you are from out of town, you aren't going to be able to come in here, setup shop and throw your type of party as far as I have seen... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 12:00:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA28739; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:00:23 -0700 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA28723; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:00:17 -0700 Received: from 42-183.client.gnn.com. (42-183.client.gnn.com [205.188.42.183]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00134 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607031859.OAA00134@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:58:18 From: ravebabe@gnn.com (Carol Saldana) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Who went to space teddy? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just wondering wich sf ravers went? I thought the space was super, it was held at Pier 21 I believe (one of those) and certainly enough dancing room was available. I didn't catch much of Myster E's set but I really found myself dancing hard to Mars. I think I may check out Pack a Bowl tomorrow night for the trance war! I'll definately plan on the F-8 party next Sat at Red Rock! XX OO C. XX OO C. "Peace or Anailation" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 12:07:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA29719; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:07:37 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA29707; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:07:33 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA18604 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:07:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:01:56 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: RE: Belief System's Last One, Promise To: SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-MAILER: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; Ok, just for the record, I'll entertain the existence of God, & Jesus Christ just to be fair. He or maybe she is suppose to come back, ya know the second coming. So how will we recognize this person, let a lone what will we call him, or her; Jesus 2. How will we recognized this person, will they have a tattoo or something saying I am the messenger of god. Or will they just walk into the white house and say I'm the second coming of christ; (chuckle) they usually lock those people up. Well, maybe their coming, maybe their living in our time right now, maybe their locked up in a mental hospital right now; has anyone checked The Betty Ford Center. Maybe, just maybe their gonna come back, and tell us that we all been lied to; maybe. Maybe, they'll come back and perform miracles like healing AIDS patients, or maybe that's what they will tell the people ten thousand years from now when all this is forgotten. Anytime I run into a belief system I apply what I call the Pure Love Logic Test to it. It kinda goes like this; if the belief system in question makes another human being less than human, it is nothing more than hatred, and a license for oppression. So if it dehumanizes, it's bad. Our creator gave us a way to tell when something is right, and something is wrong; it's called our body. When I believe in myself I feel powerful, complete, whole, and loved. I get goose bumps and chills all over by body; it just feels sooo right, and it's never ever failed me. So go a head try and believe in yourself, that you can change the world, that you are divine, and you can make a difference. Does your body tell you something, how does it feel, I'll bet pretty good. Does it feel like it fits you, like your familiar with it, something that you can trust without doubt, or debate, something you just now to be true? So instead of waiting for a human being to come back from the dead, which has not happened to date. Why don't we all start believing in ourselves, and when we believe in ourselves, we end up accepting & believing in each other, and we just might end up taking ourselves, our race, and our planet where it's never been before; hey and if they come back we can all say; hey we didn't need you go have a beer and chill by the DJ. Image All The People.................... Wow!!!!!! Peace THX-1138 --------------------------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/3/96 Time: 2:31:46 AM --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 12:17:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA00749; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:17:21 -0700 Received: from toaster by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA00717; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:17:15 -0700 Received: from waffle.berksys.com by toaster via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI) for id MAA00390; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:14:39 -0700 Received: from [192.216.218.207] (mactech.berksys.com [192.216.218.207]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA05668 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:10:10 -0700 X-Sender: cohara@mail.Berksys.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:17:33 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Cohara@Berksys.com (KironO) Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Personally, I *LIKE* it when satanic symbols are used at raves. It >keeps butt-stupid spoon-fed-by-ignorant-lies-to-keep-them-submissive >Christians like yourself away from a perfectly good party. Neil : While I find the rest of your message both infomative and informed as well as entertaining, I don't agree with the closing paragraph. Of course I acknowledge the fact that you are expressing a personal opinion but my own opinion is that rave paries should be kept free of all religious and political interference. I extend this viewpoint to the recent Gays at Raves discussion. Why use labels such as religion, color, gender preference, etc. to pigeon-hole each other ? This happens enough in the world outside of the parties we attend. I beleive that any organised religion is a personal matter for an individual. For centuries religion has been used as a tool to beat your neighbor with or an exuse to hate someone you don't even know or looks different to you. In Nicholas Saunders book "ecstacy" he writes about the rave scene in Northern Ireland. Here, he tells about Catholic and Protestants coming together and partying. This NEVER happened in the days before house/Techno. In closing, I think any religious affiliations should be left at the club entrance. P.S. See you all at Come-unity tonight. I'll be the one without the inverted pentagram. :-) Peace, Kiron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 12:20:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01063; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:20:37 -0700 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA01046; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:20:33 -0700 Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA12624; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:20:34 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199607031920.MAA12624@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** To: mayer@netcom.com (Niels P. Mayer) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607031813.LAA01655@netcom16.netcom.com> from "Niels P. Mayer" at Jul 3, 96 11:13:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3274 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is one muthaf*cka I don't want to get on the bad side of! Damn Neils, BRING THE F*CKING NOISE MY MAN! Out, John P.S. Translation to the colloquially imparied: Right on! > > > > p.s. Please don't be afraid to shine that beautiful light inside of you. > > You were not made "wrong". Love is real! > > I'm not afraid to shine my beautiful judeo/pagan/pantheist light on > you. My light sees that you are steaming pile of shit with a halo of > flies. You need to deprogram yourself from your twisted schooling in > Christianity, in whose name the greatest evils of this earth have been > perpetrated (crusades, pogroms, witch burgnings, slavery, and the > rape/abuse of innocent children at the hands of "celibate" priests and > nuns). Lots of dead souls hovering around there, > killed/tortured/maimed/repressed at the expense of your smothering, > mind-numbing, lie-perpetuating, stupefying "christian" love. Jesus can > kiss my ass, not because of who he was (a charismatic jew of the essene > order), but because of what asshole christians like yourself have > twisted his "love" into. > > Also, just because "signs and symbols" of paganism are used, doesn't > make a group satanic -- and satanism is completely different from > paganism. Those symbols existed long before that charlatan called Jesus > became the comic-book hero of the unwashed and stupid 2000 years ago, > and Satan was just reinvented to provide a balanced dialectic anti-hero > for the comic book we call the New Testament. The Old Testament doesn't > really give a flying fuck about Satan he's just part of "the one" which > encompasses good/bad, love/hate and all dialectics imaginable. We jews > believe in the "one" (adonai echad!, ALL-IN-ONE-GOD-FAITH of Rabbi > Hillel (Jesus' teacher), and the everything-is-god of the Jewish > Pantheists (Spinoza)). All this "one" is a funny precursor to today's > "everything is related" new-agism and nature-worshipping paganism that > might be found amongst ravers today. > > The "one" is also an essential part of "funk", as in the unique > booty-freeing rhythmic structure invented by James Brown and handed > down to his funky house/techno/dub disciples today, it's the same "one" > that DJ's aspire to when they beatmatch... finding the universal rhythm > of god in nature and beats ... it's the "one" in which dancers come > together as a whole "sum is greater than the parts" that makes a rave > (or COME/UNITY). You're god, I'm god, we're all god and so is the earth > and the heavens. > > Once you realize that you can make your own heaven here on earth by > believing in "the one" you can do away with your pathetic christian > notions of a paternalistic "god" and a paternalistic anti-god called > "satan" and seek your salvation in your direct future of the here and > now. > > Personally, I *LIKE* it when satanic symbols are used at raves. It > keeps butt-stupid spoon-fed-by-ignorant-lies-to-keep-them-submissive > Christians like yourself away from a perfectly good party. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 12:21:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01170; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:21:41 -0700 Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA01161; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:21:38 -0700 Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA08454; Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:18:13 -0700 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9607031918.AA08454@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Subject: Re: Why Go To Burning Man? (SRR) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:18:12 -0700 (MDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Tony Rotundo" at Jul 2, 96 03:49:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1163 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > At 3:11 PM -0700 7/2/96, Troy Sheets wrote: > > >I don't think ravers will be considered BM unfriendly. I think ravers know > >better than anyone what it means to engage in a spiritual, ritualistic > >pagan celebration. > > It's the music, loud, constant, dare I say, incessant, that is the problem, > and to help curb that they are moving the rave camp *2* miles away from the > main camp (opposed to 1 mile last year) and having the loudest systems > point away from the main camp. > > I'm quite certain it isn't about who we are, or what we do, it's that it > involves very loud, thumping music the entire time with the exception of > when it's raining. > although from my understanding, another of the gripes against ravers last year dealt with the beleif that many (majority) of the people who came to the festival without buying tickets were people who went there just for the rave, and thought of the whole burning man thing as secondary. This may not be true, but in fact a great many people who were there last year didn't buy a ticket. A number of the ravers I talked to can be included in this category. -john. http://www.he.net/~swoosh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 12:25:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01519; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:25:09 -0700 Received: from locusts.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA01506; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:25:03 -0700 Received: (from dlb@localhost) by locusts.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA21009; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:25:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:25:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@locusts.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: One Track Mind/Nikita Review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Nancy wrote: > The Club - unbelievable sound system pounding, blinding lazer overkill, > stocked bars pouring, club crowd preening. Nikita is like sensory overload > after any rave. I observed the suburban crowd with the women in heels > and the drunk men and grew petulant - why do THEY get the killer space > and sound and lights and the underground has to scrounge? We hide out in > dirty warehouses and get excited over a simple lazer, while in clubland > overstuffed couches and openair balconies and amazing light shows are > wasted on the cruisers. Well, the simple answer is all the alcohol that was observed from the bars. Underground doesn't really have income like that to invest in 9 intelabeams (which make the place far too bright anyway). I kinda of like scrounging in the spaces that other people seem to think aren't really good for anything - though I wouldn't mind an open air balcony. There is something about taking a space, making due with its constraints and filling it with the energy we bring in... Then we do have outdoor parties and one would be very hard pressed to find a club that is rigged to bring a simple lazer out and bounce it aruond a valley all night like I have heard people talking about doing very soon... > I often wonder what's at the origin - people or the music? Is a good crowd enough to > generate a feeling or is good music the catalyst to bring the people > together into a shared experience? "Raving" (meaning, to me, a certain > experience) takes the people, too - sharing their love and openness and > positivity. The crowd is critical to the highest experience. But dance > is universal, perhaps creating the connection that allows people to then > open up, and create an even higher level of connection. And will a dj spin a killer set if the crowd cannot keep up with that djs energy? If the crowd oozes the meatmarket aggressive vibe, how is that going to affect the dj because as I see it, there is a big energy circle that forms between the crowd and the dj and when the crowd doesn't want to go in the direction the dj moves (or the dj moves too quickily in that direction with setting it all up and the like) the crowd isn't going to match that energy... So I would think the two are linked in such a way that you cannot say the music makes a party or the crowd makes a party.... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 12:26:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01677; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:26:40 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA01670; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:26:37 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA19321 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:26:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:22:24 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: My Pre-B-Day Plan To: SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All Bondage A Go Go: 9PM - Midnight Community 1015: Midnight - 3AM Promise 2519 Mission: 3AM - ? Hope to see you all out there, you too Wowser!!!!!! Peace THX-1138 PS Awareness has no boundries, so go a head, see what you can feel. --------------------------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/3/96 Time: 12:22:24 PM --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 12:26:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01721; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:26:56 -0700 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA01714; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:26:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA07379; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:26:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199607031926.MAA07379@netcom16.netcom.com> To: Cohara@berksys.com (KironO) Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Jul 96 11:51:20 -0800." Date: Wed, 03 Jul 96 12:26:53 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > While I find the rest of your message both infomative and informed as well > as entertaining, > I don't agree with the closing paragraph. Of course I acknowledge the fact > that you are expressing > a personal opinion but my own opinion is that rave paries should be kept > free of all religious > and political interference. Ultimately, in the name of fairness, I'd have to agree with you on this one. It is probably as inappropriate to have overt "satanic" symbols at a rave as it is to have massive "crucifixes" or "stars of david" all over the place because of the cultural connotations they have. Same with swastikas. (I remember complaining about the original SFR logo back in 93-94 because it looked like a crucifix to me).... On the other hand, perhaps having religious symbolism around is appropriate in that it allows people to reclaim symbols that have been given inappropriate cultural significance, e.g. pentagrams are defined "evil" by christians, and swastikas by nazis (even though swastikas are used decoratively in india w/o such cultural connotations -- hitler stole the symbol from the hindus). Beyond that, there's the possiblity of using symbols as an in-your-face way of reclaiming/proclaiming your identity and strength of being "outside the norm". Much in the way homosexuals have reclaimed "gay" "queer" and even "faggot" as their own. Maybe the "satanic" (pagan) symbols serve this kind of purpose?? Since I have to deal with Christian symbology on a day-to-day basis as a citizen of this country, i think it's only fair to counterbalance all those "in god we trust" and "under god" credos with appropriate equal-and-opposite counterbalance (especially because I know that "their" god is not my god). So what's a simple pentagram between friends? I'll probably be at C/U tonite if I'm not too tired from slaughtering farm animals for sacrifice. Perhaps I'll drag out my upside-down crucifix earring. I remember some asshole threatening to beat me up a few years ago for that one -- guess he wanted to show some of his good Christian love... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 12:35:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA02522; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:35:55 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA02502; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:35:49 -0700 Received: from johnshmi (scz-ca5-15.ix.netcom.com [199.182.129.175]) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA27628; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:35:14 -0700 Message-ID: <31DACBFD.5ACF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 12:37:33 -0700 From: grinner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KironO CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Neil : > I beleive that any organised religion is a personal matter for an individual. > For centuries religion has been used as a tool to beat your neighbor with > or an exuse to hate someone you don't even know or looks different to you. >In closing, I think any religious affiliations should be left at the club > entrance. > [snip] RIGHT ON! [peace] -aaron ajtoy/grinner From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 12:51:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA03969; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:51:37 -0700 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA03962; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:51:34 -0700 Received: (from meclay@localhost) by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA09293; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:51:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:51:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael E. Clay" Subject: Re: Why Go To Burning Man? (SRR) To: John Elias Darrow cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9607031918.AA08454@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On the subject of Burning Man (BM) and paying or not.... since I know the guys that put the affair on and subsequently that they don't get rich off of it.... I'd like to suggest considering paying for the affair if you can at all... the $$$ ($40) goes to keep good porta potties, lots of BLM people, emergency air lift backup, the building and transport of THE MAN, BM radio station etc.... even if there was $50K+ left after expenses the main crew would split that to actually make very little each... This is really no way to get rich. Also, consider not leaving a mess since EVERYTHING including ashes from fires must be cleaned from the playa... last year I watched them sweep up the ashes of the man before I left... so $$$ also helps pay for the cleanup which takes some time after the event ends to complete... unlike a forest where trash can hide - it's really easy to spot any garbage left on the flat, otherwise desolate playa.... and you can be sure the BLM people are watching.... Just a public service announcement... ;-) Mike meclay@netcom.com | Alone & ecstatic Mike Clay (415)572-8971 | A young rainbow learns to levitate. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 12:58:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA04741; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:58:55 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA04730; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:58:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (pabrams@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.13/CDR4.26) with SMTP id MAA141824 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:58:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Abramson To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: WED. NIGHT PLANS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think it's 'promise' for me... I'm bringing a couple of newbies out and i'm scared that come/unity will be too housey and too crowded & clubby to give them a good first experience.. I know I would be able to enjoy it by bringing some good energy and connecting to folks while dancing crazily, but my friends who haven't done this before might not be able to do that. Hope to see many of you there!! :) paul http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~pabrams/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 13:29:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA08032; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:29:59 -0700 Received: from toaster by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08026; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:29:56 -0700 Received: from waffle.berksys.com by toaster via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI) for id NAA08203; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:27:21 -0700 Received: from [192.216.218.207] (mactech.berksys.com [192.216.218.207]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA09581 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:22:52 -0700 X-Sender: cohara@mail.Berksys.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:30:15 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Cohara@Berksys.com (KironO) Subject: B-day double header @ c/u , promise ? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all ! I'll be celebrating my b-day (after 12 tonite) at Come-unity, and maybe Promise later. Easy to spot me : I'll be the one surrounded by an entourage of beautiful people proferring sweet-meats, party favors and free love. Er...actually I'll be checking for a friend in the patio around 12.30 so I'll probably go around asking everyone I see "are you an Sfraver ?" Ah...my fellow ID4- born raver THX will know whats up...... Kiron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 13:30:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA08118; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:30:34 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08108; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:30:31 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA27437 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:30:27 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA26653 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:30:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:30:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199607032030.NAA26653@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (My other car is a Pentium...) Subject: Yer URL X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HEY! Who all out there in SFR land has a web page? Send me your URL! I've got a section on my web page dedicated to raving and I'd like to create a list of URLs for rav... uh... partiers... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 13:39:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA08828; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:39:13 -0700 Received: from dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA08816; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:39:06 -0700 Received: from localhost by dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10028; Wed, 3 Jul 96 15:37:41 CDT Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:37:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Aleph One To: "My other car is a Pentium..." Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Yer URL In-Reply-To: <199607032030.NAA26653@shellx.best.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, My other car is a Pentium... wrote: > HEY! Who all out there in SFR land has a web page? Send me your URL! I've > got a section on my web page dedicated to raving and I'd like to create a > list of URLs for rav... uh... partiers... http://underground.org/ Not really rave realted except for the music loop on the backgroud. Comming soon instead of the music loop it will be Orbital's Satan on RealAudio format. It goes well with the site. ];^} > S > Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 13:41:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09098; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:41:18 -0700 Received: from locusts.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09089; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:41:15 -0700 Received: (from dlb@localhost) by locusts.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA21471; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:41:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:41:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@locusts.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: Why Go To Burning Man? (SRR) In-Reply-To: <9607031918.AA08454@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, John Elias Darrow wrote: > although from my understanding, another of the gripes against ravers last year > dealt with the beleif that many (majority) of the people who came to the > festival without buying tickets were people who went there just for the rave, > and thought of the whole burning man thing as secondary. This may not be > true, but in fact a great many people who were there last year didn't > buy a ticket. A number of the ravers I talked to can be included in this > category. When we asked the people at the gate where the sound systems were, the woman working got all flustered and went off about how us ravers had to pay just like everyone else; this was before we handed over our money that we had in a nice little stack - though I admit it was short like 10 bux between the 5 of us in the car. So after handing over the money I explained I wasn't trying to get in free, just wanted to know where we were going, and she said the people working had many people say "They were with the sound system" and because of this, they should be exempted from paying. That would explain why the staff didn't like many of the raver people. To represent all sides, the festival is on BLM land and just because some idiot is asking you to pay for toilets which you don't use because you know how to pack you shit in and out and you are not really there for the fesitval anyway so the BLM should not count you in the organized use permit that the Burning Man project pays for is simply ridiculous (take from an argument on the burning man list)... Legally, the burning man project has no way of making you pay. And legally, you have no recourse for when you wake up and find your tires slashed in the middle of the playa, far from the nice easy things that cities have, unless you saw who did it ;) > > At 3:11 PM -0700 7/2/96, Troy Sheets wrote: > > > > >I don't think ravers will be considered BM unfriendly. I think ravers know > > >better than anyone what it means to engage in a spiritual, ritualistic > > >pagan celebration. Tony answered: > > I'm quite certain it isn't about who we are, or what we do, it's that it > > involves very loud, thumping music the entire time with the exception of > > when it's raining. > > Not all people who came up to rave camp were looking for the same spiritual or ritualistic celebration (let alone some form of pagan celebration - whose definition of pagan celebration are we going to use here anyway?). There were plenty of people with tons of attitude flicking cig butts in a most practiced manner across the playa (just for the record, it was the manner that the butt was flicked that I making this judgement on) and whether that has anything to do with spiritualism and the like doesn't have much bearing on my perception that I considered them arses. There was this conversation that I was sitting in on, near sunrise on Saturday morning where someone guy was talking about how commnity was a great thing and he was all for it, but that currently, any community we might have had at the time was dead, a lie, a pipedream, or a basic delsuion - quite frankly, I thought he was full of shite. I think that the pretenious behavior that could be found in parts of rave camp during the day could have something to do with other people looking unfavorably at those people who chose to inhabit such a place, especially when most people at the festival have an active saracasm unit. Saracasm and preteniousness don't mix too well when the saracasm is making light of it all. All kinds of people come up to the rave camp of burning man. Some of them may be on the same journey as you. Some may seem like twisted evil fiends. Some will have a sense of saracasm and be able to laugh while others cannot and take offense at just about everything. (warning, about to speak out of my arse) The main thing about the "spirit of participating" is not producing a show, but interacting with the people around you and not playing the judgemental observer who sits back and stares things up and down but does not put any of oneself out. If you are going to go up and be an arsehole, you will probably be viewed as one. If you go up and play, I doubt anyone is going to shit (as long as you can laugh a little) and be prepared to be open enough to let people run around naked spewing fire from their mouth without crinckling your nose (although I suppose one would have to be comfortable enough with oneself to do that that your crinckled nose wouldn't have too much effect on them). Tony wrote: > > It's the music, loud, constant, dare I say, incessant, that is the problem, > > and to help curb that they are moving the rave camp *2* miles away from the > > main camp (opposed to 1 mile last year) and having the loudest systems > > point away from the main camp. Hmmm, main camp had Xoas camp spewing forth a loud siren throughout the night. I doubt that the beats of rave camp were much more annoying than that. That's my spew... Have a good time if you come up... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 13:57:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA10821; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:57:57 -0700 Received: from acad1.stvincent.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA10805; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:57:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199607032057.NAA10805@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: by acad1.stvincent.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA254837737; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:02:17 -0400 From: Count Zero Subject: just saying thank you To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 17:02:17 EDT X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, I'm alll ready to come out to California! I'm sooo excited. I just wanted to thank all of you who helped me get information about parties. Anybody who wants to reach me while I'm there, can call the Hilton Union Square at 415-771-1400 and leave a message for Frank Glazer. I can't wait to meet some of you! I'll be at Freedom on the 6th most likely, and another party (???) on the 5th... Sooo... see ya there! -Count Zer0 -- ************************************************************************** | "How do you do, it is I de Count! Dey call me de Count ----------- because I love to count things! Hahahaha! (lightning | and thunder)" The Count, Sesame Street ------- | "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers ----------- of the dreams. . . " Willy Wonka | Phat PLUR in yo face! :) Count Zer0 email: glazerf@acad1.stvincent.edu ************************************************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 13:59:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11140; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:59:18 -0700 Received: from ns2.eds.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11089; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:59:10 -0700 Received: by ns2.eds.com (hello) id QAA16041; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:59:06 -0400 Received: by nnsp.eds.com (hello) id QAA08045; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from notes.hds.eds.com by spot (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17712; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:56:51 +0800 Received: by notes.hds.eds.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA1286; Wed, 03 Jul 96 13:56:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9607031756.AA1286@notes.hds.eds.com> Received: from HDS with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id D96A72EAB054DF718825635C0072D92B; Wed, 3 Jul 96 13:56:44 To: sfraves From: Todd Manley/Santa Clara/HDS Date: 3 Jul 96 13:57:03 Subject: Anyone else going to be at C/U Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey everybody- I hope I'll get to meet some of you at C/U tonight. Look for the tall guy (6'9"). If you're going, email a reply and give me a clue as to what to look for. -Todd From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 14:03:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA11704; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:03:44 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA11692; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:03:40 -0700 Received: from well (cubensis@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA09828; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:03:38 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bagby Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** To: Begroovy@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960703141753_426968806@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Jul 1996 Begroovy@aol.com wrote: > And last whatever happened to pronoia? it's alive and well -- http://myhouse.com/pronoia/ ;-) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 14:05:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA11992; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:05:48 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA11984; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:05:45 -0700 Received: from [206.168.54.190] ([206.168.54.190]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA10119 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607032105.OAA10119@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: cubensis@mail.well.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:08:14 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: cubensis@well.com (John Bagby) Subject: NRR - Children's Ideas of Love Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is SO wonderful! Check it out! -John Children's Ideas of Love ------------------------ CONCERNING THE ORIGINS OF LOVE "Cupid kissed God and that got the ball rollin'." Julio, age 9 "One of the Greek lady gods got a crush on one of the Greek man gods. He tried to hit her with lightning and thunderbolts, but he just couldn't get her away from him ... After a while, they became the first married gods." Robbie, age 8 CONCERNING WHY LOVE HAPPENS BETWEEN TWO PARTICULAR PEOPLE "One of the people has freckles and so he finds somebody else who has freckles too." Andrew, age 6 "No one is sure why it happens, but I heard it has something to do with how you smell ... That's why perfume and deodorant are so popular." Mae, age 9 "I think you're supposed to get shot with an arrow or something, but the rest of it isn't supposed to be so painful." Manuel, age 8 ON WHAT FALLING IN LOVE IS LIKE "Like an avalanche where you have to run for your life." John, age 9 "If falling in love is anything like learning how to spell, I don't want to do it. It takes too long." Glenn, age 7 ON THE ROLE OF BEAUTY AND HANDSOMENESS IN LOVE "If you want to be loved by somebody who isn't already in your family, it doesn't hurt to be beautiful." Anita C., age 8 "It isn't always just how you look. Look at me. I'm handsome like anything and I haven't got anybody to marry me yet." Brian, age 7 "Beauty is skin deep. But how rich you are can last a long time." Christine, age 9 REFLECTIONS ON THE NATURE OF LOVE "Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." Greg, age 8 HOW DO PEOPLE IN LOVE TYPICALLY BEHAVE? "Mooshy ... like puppy dogs ... except puppy dogs don't wag their tails nearly as much." Arnold, age 10 "When a person gets kissed for the first time, they fall down and they don't get up for at least an hour." Wendy, age 8 "All of a sudden, the people get movies fever so they can sit together in the dark." Sherm, age 8 CONCERNING WHY LOVERS OFTEN HOLD HANDS "They want to make sure their rings don't fall off because they paid good money for them." Gavin, age 8 "They are just practicing for when they might have to walk down the aisle someday and do the holy matchimony thing." John, age 9 CONFIDENTIAL OPINIONS ABOUT LOVE "I'm in favor of love as long as it doesn't happen when 'Dinosaurs' is on television." Jill, age 6 "Love is foolish ... but I still might try it sometime." Floyd, age 9 "Yesterday I kissed a girl in a private place ... We were behind a tree." Carey, age 7 "Love will find you, even if you are trying to hide from it. I been trying to hide from it since I was five, but the girls keep finding me." Dave, age 8 "I'm not rushing into being in love. I'm finding fourth grade hard enough." Regina, age 10 THE PERSONAL QUALITIES YOU NEED TO HAVE IN ORDER TO BE A GOOD LOVER "Sensitivity don't hurt." Robbie, age 8 "One of you should know how to write a check. Because, even if you have tons of love, there is still going to be a lot of bills." Ava, age 8 SOME SUREFIRE WAYS TO MAKE A PERSON FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU "Tell them that you own a whole bunch of candy stores." Del, age 6 "Shake your hips and hope for the best." Camille, age 9 "Yell out that you love them at the top of your lungs ... and don't worry if their parents are right there." Manuel, age 8 "Don't do things like have smelly, green sneakers. You might get attention, but attention ain't the same thing as love." Alonzo, age 9 "One way is to take the girl out to eat. Make sure it's something she likes to eat. French fries usually works for me." Bart, age 9 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 14:12:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA12791; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:12:18 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA12784; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:12:14 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01725; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:12:15 -0700 Received: (kcroy@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA24657; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:12:05 -0700 From: kcroy Message-Id: <199607032112.OAA24657@shellx.best.com> Subject: Re: Yer URL To: aleph1@dfw.net (Aleph One) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Aleph One" at Jul 3, 96 03:37:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 269 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > HEY! Who all out there in SFR land has a web page? Send me your URL! I've > > got a section on my web page dedicated to raving and I'd like to create a > > list of URLs for rav... uh... partiers... > > http://underground.org/ NRR www.best.com/~kcroy kcroy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 14:28:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA14356; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:28:38 -0700 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14346; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:28:30 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA13282; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:28:32 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607032128.OAA13282@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Last Times ( For Awhile ) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, wpenna@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:28:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1671 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list , from Larry Ching ] The Last Times ( for awhile ... ) [ The following contains no news about raves , and can be skipped by folks who don't know me ] I've recently decided to greatly reduce my attendance at raves for an undeterminate amount of time ( maybe a few months or until Spring 1997 ). Some personal issues have led to my decision, including an attempt to improve my resume by learning some Mac OS C programming. Every once and awhile, I'll keep my sanity by showing up at a daytime event like Sunset or a Golden Gate bandshell party or a beach rave. But no overnighters for now. Also, I'll be unsubscr*bing from SFRAves soon, for about the same period of time as my "rave drought". [ Reading about all the great upcoming raves would just be too tempting! ] I'll still be getting the calendar, to anticipate and schedule any upcoming daytime events. I want to say that it's been a great four years on the SFRaves mailist for me, and I've met a lot of wonderful folks because of it! Blessings to all of you! I shall return, someday. Anyway, I'm going to do tonight's parties like they're my last! I'm starting at Come/Unity for my heart's sake - staying until it gets too crowded, then go to Promise. Tomorrow, after a nap and some food, the AIDS benefit called Chateau de Boom . The rest of the weekend - I don't know. Anyway, if you see me tonight,say "hello/goodbye" ! I'll be wearing a black t-shirt with a cubist rendition of a jazz band on the front, and on my face will be my perscription, red-rimmed, "rave goggles". Oh - and maybe some SFRaves regalia ... Love 2U All ! Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 14:44:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15719; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:44:49 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA15713; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:44:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199607032144.OAA15713@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: rite front speaker family To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:39:29 -0700 (PDT) From: parvsa00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1238 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey kids... hey, i was just hopin to run into some of you this weekend. i'll be at flux, natural and of course -FREEDOM- if you see me, please come up and say hi. =] i'm about 5'9" big brown eyes, short brown hair (in a bob) w/blonde streakes in the front. so if you see me, say hello. but keep your eyes out for the rite front speaker family tent at freedom. =] anyhow, i hope you all have a great weekend no matter where you end up. *hugs* sarvi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ RIGHT FRONT SPEAKER FAMILY #######\ * \|/ * _ woo! * \|/ * /####### # (o) # | -O- * _( )__ -O- * | # (o) # # (o) # | * /|\ * /. / * /|\ | # (o) # ####### | * ___m/|__m/___ * *| ####### #' _ '# | OOOOOO -OOOOOOO--OOOOo-OOOOOOO | #' _ '# # / \ # | OO OO| OO O OOO | OO O | # / \ # thub # \_/ # | OOOOO | OOOO OOOO | OOOO | # \_/ # thub #. .# |--OO-OO-|_OO________OOO|-OO-----| #. .# thub #######/ OOO OO OOOO OOOOO OOOO \####### ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ parvsa00@dons.usfca.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 14:59:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17159; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:59:39 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17150; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:59:35 -0700 Received: from (solle@srf-ca5-03.ix.netcom.com [199.182.131.163]) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA14575 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:59:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:59:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199607032159.OAA14575@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: solle@ix.netcom.com (Sunny) Subject: Fwd: Mission Move? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey SFRavers- Does anybody know anything about this Mission Move event? (see the following e-mail) My brother and I went to the Transatlantic Move and this sounds interesting. Camel Cigs sponsored the whole thing and I still have a collectors edition trippy colored raver Bic lighter and matching phone card!!!!!!!!!!!! -SUNNY ---- Begin Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 13:44:41 -0700 From: Solle Clothing Organization: Solle Clothing Co. To: solle@ix.netcom.com Subject: Mission Move? Bro call the FTT line. Do you know anything about this Mission Move thing? >From what I know it's the same people that did the Transatlantic Move but they fly into Miami and then you board a chartered cruise ship to the Bermuda Triangle with all the DJs on board. Sounds whacked but fun. The lineup is huge Doc Martin / Josh Wink / Keoki / Juan Atkins / Underworld / DJ Dan / Dj Dick / Dimitry / Lady Kier / Westbam / Paul Oakenfeld / Derrick May / Afrika Islam / Melle Melle / Jam & Spoon / Richie Hawtin / Sasha / Roger Sanchez / Kimball Collins (sp.) / and a bunch more that I can't remember. Only problem that I see is that if we're on a boat we won't be able to get away from the cokeheadeurofreax! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:07:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA17926; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:07:24 -0700 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA17919; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:07:20 -0700 Received: from 45-142.client.gnn.com. (45-142.client.gnn.com [205.188.45.142]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA13279; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607032206.SAA13279@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:05:22 From: ravebabe@gnn.com (Carol Saldana) To: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Subject: Re: My Pre-B-Day Plan Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Happy B-Day!! XX OO C. Peace or Anailation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:11:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA18273; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:11:15 -0700 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA18260; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:11:10 -0700 Received: from 45-142.client.gnn.com. (45-142.client.gnn.com [205.188.45.142]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA17520; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607032210.SAA17520@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:08:40 From: ravebabe@gnn.com (Carol Saldana) To: jkawamoto@excite.com, ravebabe@gnn.com Subject: Re: Who went to space teddy? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk John wrote: !...I wonder if >Fnf could ever get ahold of that pier 17? for a party!?! Now speaking of Fnf, yes I definately agree with you! Do you or does anyone have any info of one coming up this summer? you wrote: >Seeya tonight at The Promise! You got it!! Whacha gonna be wearin? So I can look for you. XX OO C. XX OO C. Peace or Anailation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:17:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA18833; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:17:34 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA18821; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:17:31 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id PAA22006; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:17:32 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199607032159.OAA14575@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:17:28 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Fwd: Mission Move? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 2:59 PM -0700 7/3/96, Sunny wrote: >Bro call the FTT line. Do you know anything about this Mission Move thing? >>From what I know it's the same people that did the Transatlantic Move but >they fly into Miami and then you board a chartered cruise ship to the Bermuda >Triangle with all the DJs on board. Sounds whacked but fun. The lineup is >huge Doc Martin / Josh Wink / Keoki / Juan Atkins / Underworld / DJ Dan / Dj >Dick / Dimitry / Lady Kier / Westbam / Paul Oakenfeld / Derrick May / Afrika >Islam / Melle Melle / Jam & Spoon / Richie Hawtin / Sasha / Roger Sanchez / >Kimball Collins (sp.) / and a bunch more that I can't remember. Only problem ZOUNDS! Holy Superstars, Batman! Imagine kicking Keoki's ass in a limbo contest? >that I see is that if we're on a boat we won't be able to get away from the >cokeheadeurofreax! *snnnniiiifffff* Excuse me?! :^) Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:23:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA19288; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:23:11 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA19278; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:23:08 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA15117; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:22:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:22:34 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: Tony Rotundo cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Mission Move? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >Bro call the FTT line. Do you know anything about this Mission Move thing? > >>From what I know it's the same people that did the Transatlantic Move but > >they fly into Miami and then you board a chartered cruise ship to the Bermuda > >Triangle with all the DJs on board. Sounds whacked but fun. The lineup is > >huge Doc Martin / Josh Wink / Keoki / Juan Atkins / Underworld / DJ Dan / Dj > >Dick / Dimitry / Lady Kier / Westbam / Paul Oakenfeld / Derrick May / Afrika > >Islam / Melle Melle / Jam & Spoon / Richie Hawtin / Sasha / Roger Sanchez / > >Kimball Collins (sp.) / and a bunch more that I can't remember. Only problem Wow! I would actually pay LOTS of money to see that... call me weird, but... It couldn't cost too much, right? I guess I could use some of my college money... :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:34:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20536; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:34:33 -0700 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20519; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:34:28 -0700 Received: (from madox@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id PAA12323; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:34:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:34:30 -0700 (PDT) From: TEMPoNAUT Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** To: "Niels P. Mayer" cc: Wowser , San FranDisco Ravers List In-Reply-To: <199607031813.LAA01655@netcom16.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk gee Niels, your a liberal, you talk about loving everyone as all fucking liberals do, yet you and your liberal mind-set have totally contradicted everything that you "believe" in. Let the man believe in God, let him not go to Come/Unity, but dont tell him to go fuck himself as you did. Its really funny how fucking liberals like you are nothing but HYPOCRITS! you talk about PLUR, and here you are telling him he's a bad person for believe in christianity. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:38:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21003; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:38:24 -0700 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20995; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:38:20 -0700 Received: from 45-142.client.gnn.com. (45-142.client.gnn.com [205.188.45.142]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA32141; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607032236.SAA32141@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:35:13 From: ravebabe@gnn.com (Carol Saldana) To: larryc@netcom.com Subject: Re: Last Times ( For Awhile ) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Larry wrote: > Anyway, I'm going to do tonight's parties like they're my last! I'm >starting at Come/Unity for my heart's sake - staying until it gets too >crowded, then go to Promise Good luck with everything Larry, I'll definately be looking for you to give you a big hug!! I'll be looking for you at Promise tonight! XX OO C. XX OO C. Peace or Anailation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:39:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21076; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:39:02 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21059; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:38:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (pabrams@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.13/CDR4.26) with SMTP id PAA142800; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:38:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Abramson To: Carol Saldana cc: jkawamoto@excite.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Who went to space teddy? In-Reply-To: <199607032210.SAA17520@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Carol Saldana wrote: > >Seeya tonight at The Promise! > You got it!! Whacha gonna be wearin? So I can look for you. I'm 5'10", with short bleached hair and two earrings. Pic at http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~pabrams -- i'll have 1-2 newbies in tow so say hi!! =) paul From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:46:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21748; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:46:02 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21726; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:45:57 -0700 Received: from [206.168.54.190] ([206.168.54.190]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA25679; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607032244.PAA25679@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: cubensis@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:47:16 -0800 To: TEMPoNAUT From: cubensis@well.com (John Bagby) Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk THIS was certainly well articulated... >gee Niels, your a liberal, you talk about loving everyone as all fucking >liberals do, yet you and your liberal mind-set have totally contradicted >everything that you "believe" in. Let the man believe in God, let him not >go to Come/Unity, but dont tell him to go fuck himself as you did. Its >really funny how fucking liberals like you are nothing but HYPOCRITS! >you talk about PLUR, and here you are telling him he's a bad person for >believe in christianity ...NOT From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:56:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA22827; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:56:00 -0700 Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA22796; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:55:52 -0700 Received: from crl12.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA01383 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:55:35 -0700 Received: by crl12.crl.com id AA27547 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:41:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:41:23 -0700 (PDT) From: David Minuk To: John Deatherage Cc: Tony Rotundo , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Mission Move? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk $15 before 11 p.m. ;) David On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, John Deatherage wrote: > > >Islam / Melle Melle / Jam & Spoon / Richie Hawtin / Sasha / Roger Sanchez / > > >Kimball Collins (sp.) / and a bunch more that I can't remember. Only problem > > Wow! I would actually pay LOTS of money to see that... call me weird, > but... It couldn't cost too much, right? I guess I could use some of my > college money... :) > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:57:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA23143; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:57:25 -0700 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA23119; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:57:18 -0700 Received: from 45-142.client.gnn.com. (45-142.client.gnn.com [205.188.45.142]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA23427; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607032256.SAA23427@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:55:15 From: ravebabe@gnn.com (Carol Saldana) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: My date Cc: pabrams@itsa.ucsf.EDU, sprightlyc@aol.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Paul wrote:) >On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Carol Saldana wrote: >> >Seeya tonight at The Promise! Just to let anyone else whose noticed, my date is screwy and I don't know how to fix it:( Anyone using gnn or my have any suggestions on how I can change the *&^%$ date I'll greatly appreciate it, then I won't feel so STUUUPID anymore when I post a note! Thanks all, C. XX OO C. Peace or Anailation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:58:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA23264; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:58:16 -0700 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA23258; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:58:13 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id PAA18362; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:58:16 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607032258.PAA18362@netcom10.netcom.com> Subject: Wardrobe "duhh!" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: MaryP76944@aol.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 347 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves mailist ] ( No new raves news here ) Wardrobe change announcement! Of course , I should be wearing my first ever "ravish" bit of clothing tonight instead of my new black t-shirt. Look for Larry Ching in a yellow-and-black checked t-shirt with a big portrait of GOOFY (tm) on the front! Garsh! Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 15:58:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA23316; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:58:42 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA23310; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:58:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199607032258.PAA23310@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: rite front speaker family To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:53:23 -0700 (PDT) From: delaja00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2660 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey guys! i just wanted to drop you all a little note saying that i will be at the right front speaker at flux on wednesday, organic (i hope) on friday, and at freedom on saturday! look for me, i have looong black hair, i am filipino, and at freedom will be in the rfsf tent! most likely i will be with sarvi and raf-one. so just come up and introduce yourself! (at freedom, i will be wearing a "wonder" bread t-shirt) hope to meet lots of you soon! take care, and i will talk to you later! byebye, ...jan... delaja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= "So, where can i find you at a rave? Where will you be?" "You can always find me at the Right Front Speaker" #######\ * \|/ * _ woo! * \|/ * /####### # (o) # | -O- * _( )__ -O- * | # (o) # # (o) # | * /|\ * /. / * /|\ | # (o) # ####### | * ___m/|__m/___ * *| ####### #' _ '# | OOOOOO -OOOOOOO--OOOOo-OOOOOOO | #' _ '# # / \ # | OO OO| OO O OOO | OO O | # / \ # thub # \_/ # | OOOOO | OOOO OOOO | OOOO | # \_/ # thub #. .# |--OO-OO-|_OO________OOO|-OO-----| #. .# thub #######/ OOO OO OOOO OOOOO OOOO \####### Right Front Speaker Family +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= sarvi wrote: > > hey, i was just hopin to run into some of you this weekend. i'll be at > flux, natural and of course -FREEDOM- if you see me, please come up and > say hi. =] i'm about 5'9" big brown eyes, short brown hair (in a bob) > w/blonde streakes in the front. so if you see me, say hello. but keep your > eyes out for the rite front speaker family tent at freedom. =] > anyhow, i hope you all have a great weekend no matter where you end up. > > *hugs* > > sarvi > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > RIGHT FRONT SPEAKER FAMILY > > #######\ * \|/ * _ woo! * \|/ * /####### > # (o) # | -O- * _( )__ -O- * | # (o) # > # (o) # | * /|\ * /. / * /|\ | # (o) # > ####### | * ___m/|__m/___ * *| ####### > #' _ '# | OOOOOO -OOOOOOO--OOOOo-OOOOOOO | #' _ '# > # / \ # | OO OO| OO O OOO | OO O | # / \ # thub > # \_/ # | OOOOO | OOOO OOOO | OOOO | # \_/ # thub > #. .# |--OO-OO-|_OO________OOO|-OO-----| #. .# thub > #######/ OOO OO OOOO OOOOO OOOO \####### > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ parvsa00@dons.usfca.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 16:22:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25874; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:22:05 -0700 Received: from toaster by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA25866; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:22:02 -0700 Received: from waffle.berksys.com by toaster via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI) for id QAA23989; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:19:28 -0700 Received: from [192.216.218.207] (mactech.berksys.com [192.216.218.207]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA19337 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:15:00 -0700 X-Sender: cohara@mail.Berksys.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:22:22 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Cohara@Berksys.com (KironO) Subject: Come unity & my b-day Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'll be checking patio around 12.30 so..... I'm about 5'11" -6', short blond hair and reddish goatee/smig type thing. Might be a little sun-burned as I just spent my lunchbreak lying out in a neat little park here in Berkeley. May have an Adidas 3 stripe top on.(wicked!) Peace Kiron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 16:23:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26013; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:23:26 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26008; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:23:23 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA16157 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:23:24 -0700 Received: from DAVID (davidt.vip.best.com [206.86.91.220]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA21931; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:23:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199607032323.QAA21931@shellx.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Davidt" To: George Feil Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:19:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Gay Day (NRR) Reply-to: DAVIDt@best.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My hat is off to George, I completely respect his thoughts and feelings - mature and open minded. If the scoring system he uses is anything to go by then I am a a zero so I would rather use a different type of measuring stick! But I do concur that our society only leads us to believe that being straight is the norm, just as it leads us to believe that being married, having 2.2 children, driving a Ford Taurus and loving it at Levitz is "normal" too. Interestingly enough a recent study showed that in fact only 8% of the entire US population is "normal" according to this cultural myth. Gays are supposed to represent around 10% of the population so it would seem to me that there are more of us than those normal folk anyway! Non-the-less I am not attracted to members of the opposite sex, only my own. I was at the Gay Pride Festival and found the whole mood to be the best I have encountered because it was one of openness and acceptance of all. I even heard one person on the stage saying lets thank the religious right for making us a high profile group, I believe that with every negative there is a hidden gift, or a way to make it a positive and this statement was a wonderful example of that. Finally, my whole feeling about San Francisco is that it supports you who ever you are and who ever you want to be. You can be you here, you are allowed and encouraged to be you and not who you think you are supposed to be in order to please other people. What better place to be than one that nurtures that reality? Then add in the rave scene and phew, what an awesome place. In fact I think I will live here for the rest of my life. The End Bye for now love David From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 16:31:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26674; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:31:08 -0700 Received: from lint.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26633; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:30:58 -0700 Received: from dhcp-h21-217.cisco.com (dhcp-h21-217.cisco.com [171.68.192.217]) by lint.cisco.com (8.6.10/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) with SMTP id QAA01792; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:31:27 -0700 Received: by dhcp-h21-217.cisco.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB68FB.DC1D2C40@dhcp-h21-217.cisco.com>; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:22:42 -0700 Message-ID: <01BB68FB.DC1D2C40@dhcp-h21-217.cisco.com> From: Mohan Veloo To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" , "'Sunny'" Subject: RE: Mission Move? Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:22:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If you can understand German (maybe a kind soul can translate), the = information about all the CAMEL AIRAVES/MOVE MISSION events are on http://www.techno.de/camelsilverpage/events/ the same German site that hosts Mixmag... and a host of other stuff. On = another note, I heard that Mixmag will be soon releasing a US version of = their magazine... (competion for URB?) anyone know about this?=20 Mohan... ---------- From: Sunny[SMTP:solle@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 1996 2:59 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fwd: Mission Move? Hey SFRavers- Does anybody know anything about this Mission Move event? (see the = following=20 e-mail) My brother and I went to the Transatlantic Move and this sounds = interesting. Camel Cigs sponsored the whole thing and I still have a=20 collectors edition trippy colored raver Bic lighter and matching phone=20 card!!!!!!!!!!!! -SUNNY ---- Begin Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 13:44:41 -0700 From: Solle Clothing Organization: Solle Clothing Co. To: solle@ix.netcom.com Subject: Mission Move? Bro call the FTT line. Do you know anything about this Mission Move = thing?=20 >From what I know it's the same people that did the Transatlantic Move = but=20 they fly into Miami and then you board a chartered cruise ship to the = Bermuda=20 Triangle with all the DJs on board. Sounds whacked but fun. The lineup = is=20 huge Doc Martin / Josh Wink / Keoki / Juan Atkins / Underworld / DJ Dan = / Dj=20 Dick / Dimitry / Lady Kier / Westbam / Paul Oakenfeld / Derrick May / = Afrika=20 Islam / Melle Melle / Jam & Spoon / Richie Hawtin / Sasha / Roger = Sanchez /=20 Kimball Collins (sp.) / and a bunch more that I can't remember. Only = problem=20 that I see is that if we're on a boat we won't be able to get away from = the=20 cokeheadeurofreax! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 16:31:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26675; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:31:08 -0700 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26663; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:31:03 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA17978; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:31:06 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607032331.QAA17978@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Wardrobe change ( repeat mailing ) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:31:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 458 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves again - I didn't see it show up the first time I sent it out ] For those who might be looking out for me - decided not to wear my new black t-shirt w/cubist design. Instead, in honor of the occasion, I'll be wearing my first ever "ravish" item of clothing - a yellow-and- black checked t-shirt with a portrait of the Disney cartoon character GOOFY (tm) . See U/See Me at Come/Unity and Promise - Larry "GARSH!" Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 16:35:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA27074; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:35:07 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27069; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:35:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfogler@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.13/CDR4.26) with SMTP id QAA151461 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:35:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:35:04 -0700 (PDT) From: jess To: sfraves Subject: I've made a decision... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk No, don't hyperventilate - it does happen sometimes you know :) Today's decision is to attend Promise. And I'm very pleased with my decision if I might say so myself. I'd love to meet more of you so here's the ID: I'm a human being with two eyes, a nose etc... AND I'll be wearing all black and white with black and white stripped tights. They are hard to miss, especially under the black lights... see ya there (or be way square) Ranting and Raving ** jess ** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 16:54:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA28966; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:54:11 -0700 Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA28960; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:54:08 -0700 From: MXSNOWMAN@aol.com Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA13673; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:55:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:55:00 -0400 Message-ID: <960703195459_348164874@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: THX1138@planet-jubip.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 96-07-03 03:31:46 EDT, you write: >The energy at their so-called gatherings is swirling, confusing and heated >>with types of negativity that actually can molest unsuspecting individuals. Just a piece of whoevers writing. Isn't this basically every rave? It kinda sounds like my dancing, (sorry about hitting all you people with my chain from my keys). So god doesn't exist. I don't completely belive that. I'm totally against organized religion. People (you, me, them), are all in control of our own lives. We control eating, sleeping, and other things. There is no entity which says that it's your time to go. Religion has people all over the world, trying to make people who don't even understand them convert to their religion. THRY'RE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!! I should at least have some clue about it, my friend is a mormon, with two brothers off as missionaries, a mother who watches religious cartoons all the time, and a dad whos the Bishop of the mormon church in our area. I have never seen so many brainwashing books in one place. Tons of books telling that everyone is evil, that your kid is going to go to hell if he doesn't go on a mission. Some people just have problems. A bit off the point there:::: So people in some way always have affect on the outcome of themselves. There is no destiny, fate, or gods will. You are the one who has the power to make your life happy and long, or shitty and short. Therefor everyone is god. Everyone is their own supernatural being. I'm God, people who would happen to believe in me could, but it doesn't make any diffirence. They're their own gods as well, they just don't know it yet. So anyone thinking that there's a good and evil are wrong. There isn't. There are bad people who do good things and there are good people who do bad things. And that doesn't make them evil, or good. They're just who they choose to be. Have a good one! Aryck From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 16:56:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA29195; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:56:35 -0700 Received: from bass-station.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA29188; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:56:32 -0700 Received: from [207.76.139.151] by bass-station.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b11); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:51:19 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199607032210.SAA17520@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: ravebabe@gnn.com (Carol Saldana), jkawamoto@excite.com From: Ethan Miller Subject: Friends & Family Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:51:19 -0700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:08 PM -0000 2/18/96, Carol Saldana wrote: >Now speaking of Fnf, yes I definately agree with you! Do you or does anyone >have any info of one coming up this summer? Greetings Friends! There's been much discussion internally, (as well as externally I imagine) about when and if there will be a Friends and Family this summer. Believe you me that it is the most fervent wish of everyone involved that there be one soon, yesterday, two months ago. Alas, spaces, that oh so infamous, and horribly scarce bay area resource, have not been flowing for us recently, much to our frustration. My eyes and ears are to the ground, spacewise, and as soon as one flows, group willing, There Will Be a Party. Meantime should anyone come across one, I'd love to hear about it =) take it easy ethan -----------------------------( ethan miller )----------------------------- -------------------( http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/ )------------------- -------( you're only paranoid if they're not really watching you )-------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 17:24:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA01869; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:24:25 -0700 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA01857; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:24:21 -0700 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA18828; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:24:24 -0700 Received: from hacksaw.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA25827; Wed, 3 Jul 96 17:24:23 PDT From: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM (Mike Schneir) Message-Id: <9607040024.AA25827@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** To: mayer@netcom.com (Niels P. Mayer) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Cohara@berksys.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607031926.MAA07379@netcom16.netcom.com> from "Niels P. Mayer" at Jul 3, 96 12:26:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Neils P. Mayer wrote: > > Ultimately, in the name of fairness, I'd have to agree with you on this > one. It is probably as inappropriate to have overt "satanic" symbols at > a rave as it is to have massive "crucifixes" or "stars of david" all > over the place because of the cultural connotations they have. Same > with swastikas. (I remember complaining about the original SFR logo > back in 93-94 because it looked like a crucifix to me).... > > On the other hand, perhaps having religious symbolism around is > appropriate in that it allows people to reclaim symbols that have been > given inappropriate cultural significance, e.g. pentagrams are defined > "evil" by christians, and swastikas by nazis (even though swastikas are > used decoratively in india w/o such cultural connotations -- hitler > stole the symbol from the hindus). I wasn't going to be anal and comment on this, but I just drank a bunch of coffee, and have diarrhea of the fingers, and it's kind of interesting: The Aryans brought the swastika with them when they invaded India from Europe in pre-Vedic times. They also spawned the religion of the Vedas, which eventually evolved into Hinduism. That's why the Hindus have the swastika, and that's why Hitler "stole" it (to link Germany with the Aryans, and also because it was supposed to be some symbol, I can't remember the details of that though). But I mostly agree with you. Symbols are an easy way of proclaiming your identity, being as they are loaded with meaning and... symbolism, and imply group membership. But this same strength is also a great weakness. Groups of people are always attacking other groups of people, and how easy it is to identify and attack groups through their symbols. Much easier than singling them out by their viewpoints. When the Christians wanted to take out the pagans, they vilified them and then identified all of their symbology with evil, making it very easy to spot and persecute the bad guys without needing to find out just what they were really. Or when someone sees a crucifix and can easily realize that the wearer is a narrow-minded fool. Of course, there's also the problems of people hiding behind symbols, and of symbols becoming diluted, but I've already run on way too long and semi-coherently, and others have posted plenty. I just wanted to mention the Nazi thing :) Let's have cymbals, not symbols, -mike > > Beyond that, there's the possiblity of using symbols as an in-your-face > way of reclaiming/proclaiming your identity and strength of being > "outside the norm". Much in the way homosexuals have reclaimed "gay" > "queer" and even "faggot" as their own. Maybe the "satanic" (pagan) > symbols serve this kind of purpose?? > > Since I have to deal with Christian symbology on a day-to-day basis as > a citizen of this country, i think it's only fair to counterbalance all > those "in god we trust" and "under god" credos with appropriate > equal-and-opposite counterbalance (especially because I know that > "their" god is not my god). So what's a simple pentagram between > friends? > > I'll probably be at C/U tonite if I'm not too tired from slaughtering > farm animals for sacrifice. Perhaps I'll drag out my upside-down > crucifix earring. I remember some asshole threatening to beat me up a > few years ago for that one -- guess he wanted to show some of his good > Christian love... > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 17:40:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA03231; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:40:55 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA03225; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:40:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199607040040.RAA03225@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: rite front speaker family (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:35:36 -0700 (PDT) From: parvsa00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1491 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > hey guys! > i just wanted to drop you all a little note saying that i will be at the > right front speaker at flux on wednesday, organic (i hope) on friday, > and at freedom on saturday! look for me, i have looong black hair, i am > filipino, and at freedom will be in the rfsf tent! most likely i will be > with sarvi and raf-one. so just come up and introduce yourself! (at freedom, > i will be wearing a "wonder" bread t-shirt) > hope to meet lots of you soon! > take care, and i will talk to you later! > byebye, > ...jan... > delaja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu oh yeah...i totally forgot about organic...thanks jan =] hey page me about flux tonite. =] anyhow, hope to see you all out this weekend. sarvi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ RIGHT FRONT SPEAKER FAMILY #######\ * \|/ * _ woo! * \|/ * /####### # (o) # | -O- * _( )__ -O- * | # (o) # # (o) # | * /|\ * /. / * /|\ | # (o) # ####### | * ___m/|__m/___ * *| ####### #' _ '# | OOOOOO -OOOOOOO--OOOOo-OOOOOOO | #' _ '# # / \ # | OO OO| OO O OOO | OO O | # / \ # thub # \_/ # | OOOOO | OOOO OOOO | OOOO | # \_/ # thub #. .# |--OO-OO-|_OO________OOO|-OO-----| #. .# thub #######/ OOO OO OOOO OOOOO OOOO \####### ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ parvsa00@dons.usfca.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 17:44:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA03653; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:44:47 -0700 Received: from natsemi-bh.nsc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA03594; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:44:42 -0700 From: TBOBSC@tevm2.nsc.com Received: (from uucp@localhost) by natsemi-bh.nsc.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id RAA02355 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:45:25 -0700 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by natsemi-bh.nsc.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002195; Wed Jul 3 17:44:57 1996 Received: from tevm2.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA17651 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 3 Jul 96 17:44:07 -0700 Message-Id: <9607040044.AA17651@nsc.nsc.com> Received: from TEVM2 by tevm2.nsc.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8750; Wed, 03 Jul 96 17:44:39 PDT Date: Wed, 03 Jul 96 17:44:39 PDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk FROM: Robert Brown *** Resending note of 07/03/96 15:47 SUBJECT: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Not well articulated, no, but it's not too far off the mark... ----------------------------------------------------------- FROM: cubensis@well.com (John Bagby) SUBJECT: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** THIS was certainly well articulated... >gee Niels, your a liberal, you talk about loving everyone as all fucking >liberals do, yet you and your liberal mind-set have totally contradicted >everything that you "believe" in. Let the man believe in God, let him not >go to Come/Unity, but dont tell him to go fuck himself as you did. Its >really funny how fucking liberals like you are nothing but HYPOCRITS! >you talk about PLUR, and here you are telling him he's a bad person for >believe in christianity ....NOT Sender Path: *cc: SFRAVES --HYPERREAL.COM From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 17:50:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA04237; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:50:26 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA04226; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:50:22 -0700 Received: from well.com (phred@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id RAA12901; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA27236; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:50:22 -0700 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9607031750.ZM27234@well> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:50:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: Wowser ""Comeunity" **Warning!**" (Jul 2, 11:05pm) References: <199607030605.XAA21726@mail-gw.fsr.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: Wowser , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It only took a couple of sentences to realize that Wowser's "warning" about Come/Unity is just a totally predictable provocation by someone who has come under the wing of one of the cultlike "religious" outfits out there who are always trying to save us from ourselves so they can control our lives. It reeks of the stale manipulative rhetoric of that tired crowd, the self-loathing, the deceit and the outright lying about the circumstances involved. I'm glad to see, therefore, that sfravers are not taking this all too seriously. I liked both Neils' outraged and erudite flame, and Black Adder's sly invitation to check out the *real* action -- the Year of Hell at Burning Man. The whole thing runs counter to the real message of Come/Unity, one I know Malachy, its founder, subscribes to: *think for yourself.* That's exactly what the Purveyors Of Revealed Truth from all ends of the spectrum don't want us to do. For myself, once upon a time Come/Unity *did* have a higher meaning. It seems to have faded a bit as the crowd and the times changed, but it's still a great dance party and in these illbegotten times that is good enough for me. "Foolishness. Emptiness. Powerlessness. Lies. Pathetic." How easily the words we use as insults tend to describe ourselves . . . All the same, if Wowser is actually coming to Portland (as another post indicated), I hope I have a chance to meet him. Nothing like a good party to open someone's eyes and let them experience a wider reality that they understand for themselves, rather than having it handed to them by some Authority Figure. Have a great holiday, everyone! phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 17:56:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA04880; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:56:43 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA04863; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:56:35 -0700 Received: from [136.152.95.73] (blather.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.95.73]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA16151 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Promise vs Comeunity??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Ok, so who's going where tonite??? > >I had thoughts of Come/Unity... However mingleing with the Club Kidz till 2AM >dosen't really agree with me... or maybe it's all the fucking Satanists trying to eat your soul? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 17:56:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA04904; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:56:49 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA04873; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:56:40 -0700 Received: from [136.152.95.73] (blather.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.95.73]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA07744 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I'm not afraid to shine my beautiful judeo/pagan/pantheist light on >you. My light sees that you are steaming pile of shit with a halo of >flies. You need to deprogram yourself from your twisted schooling in >Christianity, in whose name the greatest evils of this earth have been >perpetrated (crusades, pogroms, witch burgnings, slavery, and the <> >order), but because of what asshole christians like yourself have >twisted his "love" into. You can't judge the positive message of a religion based on how people can twist that message to their own needs... You're doing exactly what Hard Copy did a few months ago when there was a huge stink about their misrepresentation of the SoCal rave scene, just because some (well, OK, alot) of ravers take drugs and because some of them use the scene to fullfill the "teen orgiastic isnane club" angle of the Hard Copy story. Christianity has brought alot of hapopiness into the world... every religion has a good message, and every religion has members who fuck up for their own personal gain. You can't fight human nature. >Personally, I *LIKE* it when satanic symbols are used at raves. It >keeps butt-stupid spoon-fed-by-ignorant-lies-to-keep-them-submissive >Christians like yourself away from a perfectly good party. MTV shock imagery used to get attention? sounds like another Trent Reznor stunt to me... I think I have serious problems with the direction this thread is taking... actually I don't like this discussion at all because no one is actually reading posts, just looking for parts they disagree with and fanning the flames with 'em. yeah, me included. =( -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 18:00:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA05292; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:00:58 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA05283; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:00:51 -0700 Received: from [136.152.95.73] (blather.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.95.73]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA13230; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 To: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM (Mike Schneir) From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >that's why Hitler "stole" it (to link Germany with the Aryans, and also because >it was supposed to be some symbol, I can't remember the details of that >though). I think the idea is that the hindu version is rolling forward (progress) while the Nazi version is rolling backwards (regress to pagan germanic barbarian asskickin' days =P ) -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 18:16:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA06726; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:16:16 -0700 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA06715; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:16:12 -0700 Received: from 45-145.client.gnn.com. (45-145.client.gnn.com [205.188.45.145]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA01404; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607040113.VAA01404@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:11:51 From: ravebabe@gnn.com (Carol Saldana) To: larryc@netcom.com Subject: Re: Come/Unity AND Promise ? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Larry wrote: > Come/Unity is scheduled to go until 4AM - what about Promise? Promise is scheduled to go until 7:00 am > How far will Promise be from 1015 Folsom? A little ways, its at 2519 Mission and doors open at 10:00, cover is $7.00 until 11:00 pm., don't know afterwards, though. I'll still be looking for you at Promise though, Larry:) look for me with the long psychadelic vestdress! XX OO C. Peace or Anailation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 18:25:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA07474; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:25:40 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA07464; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:25:36 -0700 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id SAA18205; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:25:37 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id SAA16702; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:25:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:25:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: RE: PS Community Warning Update..../ To: THX1138 cc: sfraves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk enough is enough already. sheesh, why bother. besides now I have to clean off my terminal from your rabid mouth foam. ;) Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 18:34:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA08595; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:34:05 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA08565; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:34:00 -0700 Received: from (shawna-@wck-ca6-07.ix.netcom.com [199.35.213.199]) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA19678 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:33:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:33:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199607040133.SAA19678@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Look for me at Promise! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! Ok, the verdict's in for me. Promise it is. 1) I will much more enjoy the dj's listed for Promise cuz I just couldn't get into ComeUnity's music the last time I attended. 2) ComeUnity only goes till 4 am, and I hear you hafta wait till at least 2 or 3 am to lose the clubbier types, and that only leaves me one hour of an actual rave! So off to Promise I go. It appears Promise is at 2519 Mission, I am interested in Kathryn's question of bustability, does anybody know this area? Just curious. Anyway, look for me & come say hi! I'll probably be wearing my comfy jeans as usual and a grey tank top, and I will have a bunch of shit around my neck, including my old-style sfraves laminate, my new FnF patch (produced by the Wonderful Tony Rotundo :), my Basics ticket from their party a few months ago, and my People! These people consist of three little plastic clippy people of three different colors, and they rave with me wherever I rave. :) Lastly I usually almost always have a hot-pink glow stick around my neck, and its possible I may dancing wildy with two of them. So come say hi! Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 18:35:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA08705; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:35:18 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA08700; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:35:12 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0ubdK6-0000fTC; Wed, 3 Jul 96 18:35 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:35:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: KaySEE cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Personal beliefs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk oh yeah ... i forgot God was a lesbian aardvark :) k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 18:38:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA09047; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:38:41 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA09040; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:38:38 -0700 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id SAA19054; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:38:29 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id SAA17336; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:38:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:38:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** To: KironO cc: "Niels P. Mayer" , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yea! A voice of sanity. Thank God ;) and Gaia and the immortal spirit of life Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 18:46:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA09630; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:46:57 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA09618; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:46:54 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0ubdVN-0001ZuC; Wed, 3 Jul 96 18:46 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:46:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: parvsa00 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: rite front speaker family In-Reply-To: <199607032144.OAA15713@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hope you have as much fun at Freedom this year as i had at Freedom last year *snif* wish i could be there!! k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 18:52:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA10047; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:52:11 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA10041; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:52:09 -0700 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id SAA19795; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:50:52 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id SAA17914; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:50:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:50:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** To: TEMPoNAUT cc: "Niels P. Mayer" , Wowser , San FranDisco Ravers List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, TEMPoNAUT wrote: > gee Niels, your a liberal, you talk about loving everyone as all fucking > liberals do, yet you and your liberal mind-set have totally contradicted > everything that you "believe" in. Let the man believe in God, let him not > go to Come/Unity, but dont tell him to go fuck himself as you did. Its > really funny how fucking liberals like you are nothing but HYPOCRITS! > you talk about PLUR, and here you are telling him he's a bad person for > believe in christianity. RIGHT ON!!! Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 19:00:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA10759; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:00:46 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA10751; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:00:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199607040200.TAA10751@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: rite front speaker family (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: parvsa00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1086 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I hope you have as much fun at Freedom this year as i had at Freedom last > year *snif* wish i could be there!! > > k > karen honey..i missed it last year. but i'm sure it won't be the same without you. nothing ever is =] i miss you girl. wish you were here too. see you at summer love =] sarvi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ RIGHT FRONT SPEAKER FAMILY #######\ * \|/ * _ woo! * \|/ * /####### # (o) # | -O- * _( )__ -O- * | # (o) # # (o) # | * /|\ * /. / * /|\ | # (o) # ####### | * ___m/|__m/___ * *| ####### #' _ '# | OOOOOO -OOOOOOO--OOOOo-OOOOOOO | #' _ '# # / \ # | OO OO| OO O OOO | OO O | # / \ # thub # \_/ # | OOOOO | OOOO OOOO | OOOO | # \_/ # thub #. .# |--OO-OO-|_OO________OOO|-OO-----| #. .# thub #######/ OOO OO OOOO OOOOO OOOO \####### ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ parvsa00@dons.usfca.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 19:08:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA11433; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:08:16 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA11421; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:08:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199607040208.TAA11421@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: freedom!!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: parvsa00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1100 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey cybertribe.... hey everyone, i almst forgot something. i'll be wearing my phat biggy jeans and my strawberry shotcake shit. ... =] keep your eyes out. oh and i'll have on my sfraves laminate (thanks terry..you qt you) hanging off of my chain on my wallet. see you guys there..or out and about!! *hugs* sarvi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ RIGHT FRONT SPEAKER FAMILY #######\ * \|/ * _ woo! * \|/ * /####### # (o) # | -O- * _( )__ -O- * | # (o) # # (o) # | * /|\ * /. / * /|\ | # (o) # ####### | * ___m/|__m/___ * *| ####### #' _ '# | OOOOOO -OOOOOOO--OOOOo-OOOOOOO | #' _ '# # / \ # | OO OO| OO O OOO | OO O | # / \ # thub # \_/ # | OOOOO | OOOO OOOO | OOOO | # \_/ # thub #. .# |--OO-OO-|_OO________OOO|-OO-----| #. .# thub #######/ OOO OO OOOO OOOOO OOOO \####### ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ parvsa00@dons.usfca.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ] From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 19:29:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA12878; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:29:50 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA12871; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:29:46 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA04521; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:29:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Paul Abramson cc: Carol Saldana , jkawamoto@excite.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Who went to space teddy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah! Paul is one hot mama;). Watch out! hehe- Reagan On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Paul Abramson wrote: > On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Carol Saldana wrote: > > >Seeya tonight at The Promise! > > You got it!! Whacha gonna be wearin? So I can look for you. > > I'm 5'10", with short bleached hair and two earrings. Pic at > http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~pabrams -- i'll have 1-2 newbies in tow so say hi!! > > =) > paul > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 19:38:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA13533; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:38:24 -0700 Received: from mail.Clark.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA13528; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:38:21 -0700 Received: from explorer2.clark.net (hunt1@explorer2.clark.net [168.143.0.5]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA09612; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hunt1@localhost) by explorer2.clark.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA29424; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:38:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: explorer2.clark.net: hunt1 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:38:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Huntington X-Sender: hunt1@explorer2 To: kcroy cc: Aleph One , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Yer URL In-Reply-To: <199607032112.OAA24657@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk oh yeah, I should send this to everyone so's i can advertise=20 www.clark.net/pub/hunt1/terry.html www.clark.net/pub/hunt1/flyers.html Terry On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, kcroy wrote: >=20 > > > HEY! Who all out there in SFR land has a web page? Send me your URL= ! I've=20 > > > got a section on my web page dedicated to raving and I'd like to crea= te a=20 > > > list of URLs for rav... uh... partiers... > >=20 > > http://underground.org/ > NRR > www.best.com/~kcroy >=20 > kcroy >=20 >=20 Terry Huntington www.clark.net/pub/hunt1/terry.html ~\_=E5_/~ =20 (=EC) =20 /| =20 \\ =F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8 Celebrate Vinyl!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 19:43:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA14017; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:43:31 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA14011; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:43:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (keiper@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.13/CDR4.26) with SMTP id TAA63946; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:42:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Keiper To: Larry Ching cc: THX1138 , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Burning Man Details Needed In-Reply-To: <199607021824.LAA21695@netcom22.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Larry Ching wrote: ok - in the latest issue of xlr8r, the url is 'icestorm' and here it is istorm. will the real url please stand up? and also i could not get to that spot, there was trouble connecting. not sure if this is my problem or the server... post a solution please... kevin ;) > > Hi Brian - > > Re Burning Man - try http://www.istorm.com/burningman > > be prepared to wait - their graphics are big and take a long time to download > to your computer. > > Also - hotline number with touch-tone info menu (415)-985-7471. There is > registration info there , and other info. > > Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 20:02:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA15410; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:02:48 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA15381; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:02:43 -0700 Received: from well (cubensis@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id UAA27282 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bagby Subject: FREEdom! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm gonna head to Freedom on Saturday with some people, and I'd love to meet some more sfraves folks! How to recognize me? Um, I'm about 6', long brown hair and glasses, and I'll wear (ah, what's clean?) um, a black Teeshirt with a purple lotus flower on the front, and tan baggypants... and I'll wear a BIIIG smile. ;-) Please come say hi! love john From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 20:38:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA19096; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:38:53 -0700 Received: from dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA19091; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:38:50 -0700 Received: from localhost by dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06500; Wed, 3 Jul 96 22:37:27 CDT Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:37:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Aleph One To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Tired Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well I got one more hour of work, and I'am tired. Cant belive I done so much today. I think I'll stay home and read a book. listen to some ambiant. Hope everyone has a fun night and see you tomorrow at Packabowl. Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 20:51:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA19893; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:51:17 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA19888; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:51:14 -0700 Received: from [206.86.220.227] (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA21401 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:51:15 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:52:16 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bwret@best.com (Alex Ward) Subject: S.J. scenesters... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Whassup- How many people from this list are from the South Bay?? I want up to the city on Saterday. -peace- Alex Alex Ward bwret@best.com May the Funk be with you...Always. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 22:16:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA25904; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:16:27 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA25894; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:16:24 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp-5-71.rdcy01.pacbell.net [206.170.5.71]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id WAA12212 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:16:25 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960704051804.00939924@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 22:18:04 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Lexan 99 Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ...... *YAWN* ...... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 22:17:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA26014; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:17:19 -0700 Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA25982; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:17:13 -0700 Received: (from sandoz@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id WAA06959; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG X-Sender: sandoz@pluto To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Why go to burning man. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone who does not like burning man and is not going to go when they could has totally no idea as to what raving is all about and should, to put it bluntly, go back home to mother as soon as possible. At BUrning man music and nature are one and that is what raving is all about. NO offence guy but do you still wear dypers? Tristan. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 22:25:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA26753; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:25:09 -0700 Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA26745; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:25:05 -0700 Received: (from sandoz@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id WAA07464; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:25:07 -0700 (PDT) From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG X-Sender: sandoz@pluto To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Community warning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I know from when I was back in London that some people who were orriginally involved in Community used to be involved with Phychic TV (P. Orange geezer, remember?) but that in know way assumes any kind of devil worshiping what-so-ever. Troy, I smell the words Christian hysteria in your post and the only thing that smells worce then that is a guy talking at a Klu Klux Klan rally. So what if they are involved in devil worship, it's far better then being a reactionary hysteric like yourself. Haven't pychadelics at least taught you to chill-out and relax. Geez! Talk about parinoya. PARINOYA BIG DESTROYER. to quote Ray Davies of The Kinks. Tristan. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 22:44:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA28232; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:44:05 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA28224; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:44:02 -0700 Received: from [206.86.220.227] (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA00522 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:44:02 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:45:04 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bwret@best.com (Alex Ward) Subject: S.J. scenesters pt.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk duh...My post should have read "I want to carpool up to the city on Saterday"... sorry for the bad typing skills. Now back to our regularly scheduled mail... -alex Alex Ward bwret@best.com May the Funk be with you...Always. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jul 3 22:48:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA28561; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:48:30 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA28553; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:48:28 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA00854 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:48:31 -0700 Received: (datura@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA25440 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:48:25 -0700 From: Justin Cooper Message-Id: <199607040548.WAA25440@shellx.best.com> Subject: promise To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 299 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk heya, looks like sami and i and hopefully roger will be heading to promise soon, i'll be wearing my new silk tie-dye :) and have long hair and a nosering. hope to meet a few new faces and boogie down.. i'm thinking of taking my digital camera, anybody know if i will be able to get it in? justin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 01:07:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA11506; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:07:10 -0700 Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA11499; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:07:07 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA21365 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:07:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <960704040756_148804956@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Can someone resend the BBQ Beats BSP Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 01:07:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA11523; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:07:14 -0700 Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA11505; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:07:09 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA22775 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:07:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:07:36 -0400 Message-ID: <960704040733_148804965@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fireworks suck (for the most part) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sounds like a shipment of m-100s (big ass firecrackers) made it to my sad excuse of a neighborhood. Run, run and hide creatures of nature! Accept my apologies for the misguided behavior of these tainted testosterone filled neighborhood boys. The fourth will be over soon! Save em for burning man! & Please be careful! -Mom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 01:07:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA11561; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:07:33 -0700 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA11555; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:07:31 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA18406 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:07:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:07:52 -0400 Message-ID: <960704040751_148805061@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Searching for Music/Sound Software Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Doran told me about a really keen share or freeware software package out there avail online. Anyone heard of such a thing? I'm looking for something poweful, but for a real bonehead with little muscical knowledge and no input device (keyboard) I imagine it would be difficulty to do this with computer keyboards obviously not being pressure sensitive. Thanks, -StEvEo P.S. Oh yeah, for Macintosh of course ; ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 01:07:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA11590; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:07:52 -0700 Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA11580; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:07:49 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA21436 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:08:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:08:42 -0400 Message-ID: <960704040840_148805130@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: p.l.u.RESPECT! was:*come-unity warning* Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Live by it folks. I'm all for questioning chrsitianity along with all dogmatic religions, but jeez, IMO some of those first few flames were straight up rude, angry and counterproductive. BTW, I may have missed it, but did Wowser respond to the opposition? Love, -StEvEo "In this life we are to become heaven, so that God might find a home here" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 01:12:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA11973; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:12:17 -0700 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA11968; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:12:14 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02860; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:07:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:07:54 -0400 Message-ID: <960704040754_148805048@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, bren_candelaria@ccacsf.edu, Clarityi@aol.com Subject: FYI: Outsd Party Goers/Promtrs Tips Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Regarding the recent expression of insectal frustrations: 1. Citronella buckets at ACE hardware on sale now for a mere $2.75. A wise investment, just don't leave them in a hot car! 2. P.S. Avon's SSS (Skin So Soft) got me through a central american expedition this spring. I know I would have been dinner for swarms of pterodactyl size mosquitos without it! -Ceilings are for sissys! the Out-House revolution continues... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 08:40:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA24217; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:40:50 -0700 Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA24210; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:40:46 -0700 From: AMancia104@aol.com Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA27545 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:41:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: <960704114136_427510338@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: What is up? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this is Marco Mancia, if people recall that name. how has SF been? What is happening today for the 4th. I am in LA, and just got back from Eastern Europe. Whew!!!!!!!!!! Hey does anyone know the so.-cal raves address off hand?...........................orb.....................magick................ ..............23 ....>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>P.S.-how was the BIg Bear organic party? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 09:34:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA00170; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:34:56 -0700 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA00163; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:34:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA22157; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:34:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199607041634.JAA22157@netcom17.netcom.com> To: TEMPoNAUT Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Jul 96 15:34:30 PDT." Date: Thu, 04 Jul 96 09:34:52 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > gee Niels, your a liberal, you talk about loving everyone as all fucking > liberals do, yet you and your liberal mind-set have totally contradicted > everything that you "believe" in. I think you're putting words in my mouth. I may share some opinions with Liberals, but I don't think I can call myself a Liberal. Look where the lamo liberal/conservative axis has gotten us? It's two poles of the same thing as far as I'm concerned. Most things in the human realm that split into polar opposites occur because both "sides" are wrong and haven't found the solution. Then they end up fighting each other's dogmas rather than solve the problems at hand. I'm still looking for the center that is right. (and in the mean time, I'm going to vote for Ralph Nader). > Let the man believe in God, let him not > go to Come/Unity, but dont tell him to go fuck himself as you did. They're just words, jerky. I wasn't holding him hostage at gunpoint. He can choose to read or not read, respond or not respond at his own opinion. He used words too. Words that insinuated that we are "evil" and need to be "saved" and that he in his infinite, psychotic wisdom is able to see through all the "swirling confusion" and find the ultimate source -- SATAN! I'll tell him and any other Christian that takes this path to go fuck himself in new and unimaginable ways. He basically told me I'm fucked, and I feel like I have a right to respond to his idiotic insinuations. This is how I thank him for his insightful warnings into the true nature of things. If he wants to be a Christian in his heart and in his mind then I'll happily let him be. I have plenty of respect for "Christians" that have a faith, understand it, and FOLLOW IT WITHOUT HYPOCRICY AND WITHOUT TRYING TO CONVERT OTHER PEOPLE. Jesus' supposed teachings, and those of Rabbi Hillel and the Essenes was a GOOD message that got twisted into a "swirling confusion" of lies by a bunch of greedy, hypocritical, hateful, child-molesting, adulterous assholes that now call themselves Christians. I don't know about you, but I'm the kind of "liberal" that believes that a good verbal ass-kicking is the best defense against stupid unenlightened opinions. I don't preach love my neighbor -- I leave that bit of hypocricy to the Christians who like to pretend "love" between sessions of theft, lies, greed, gay-bashing, race-baiting, and taunting/denigrating those that don't believe in their shared mass-psychosis. They preach love like they put on their "Sunday gone-a-meetin' best" clothes before they go to Church -- to give the impression of unity, conformity, and decency. But when they get back to their own world, they're typically back to their base human instincts of greed, deceit, and lust. And typically, they're back at it with a vengeance due to the fact that their instincts were repressed while they're putting on a public show of "being a good christian". This is why I think most Christians suck the big hairy donkey dick. > Its > really funny how fucking liberals like you are nothing but HYPOCRITS! > you talk about PLUR, and here you are telling him he's a bad person for > believe in christianity. There you go calling me a liberal again. Are you some kind of politician? I call him a "bad person" because he's trying to convert people and tell them that their pagan rituals are evil/bad; that he's seen the light and that we're so stupid and unenlightened as to have not noticed the presence of SATAN in our midst! (If I ever see Satan, I'll be happy to tell him to get the fuck out of my face and get back to giving Jesus a rim-job with his long forked tongue.) I never talk about PLUR, except to make fun of it (go read the archives). PLUR is just like Christian hypocricy, a lofty ideal which cannot be practiced, but at least it allows people to intellectualize how they would like to be perceived by others (so they can have more friends, get laid, be popular, or whatever). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 09:40:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA00892; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:40:48 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA00813; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:40:41 -0700 Received: from enigma (enigma.vip.best.com [206.86.223.130]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA07288 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:40:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:40:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199607041640.JAA07288@dns2.noc.best.net> X-Sender: enigma@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "E. Nygma" Subject: What a Wacky Weekend! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My plans for this weekend have been totally flipped over! Originally, I was going to be at my cousin's wedding in Oregon this weekend. I was pretty bummed about that, since it meant missing Freedom. It didn't help that my roommate Jerry was rubbing it in my face as well (bless his soul). To satisfy my dietary requirements for raving, I was planning on attending Come/Unity last night. At the last moment, I got a call from my fiancee, who told me that two of our friends (who are engaged, and were planning to marry this fall) have to get married this weekend, because the INS is holding a shotgun to the bride-to-be's head! As a result, I'm off to Lake Tahoe with them, and didn't go raving last night at all. However, I'll be back in time to make it to Freedom! Yea! I'll be wearing a t-shirt with multicolored patterns of NYC Subway tokens (sort of Andy Warhol style), and my laminate. Hope to see y'all there. George P.S. Hope everyone who raved last night, either at Come/Unity, The Promise, or wherever, had a great vibe. Reviews, please! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 09:50:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA01712; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:50:13 -0700 Received: from mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA01706; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:50:09 -0700 Received: from psb.sbu.ac.uk (psb.sbu.ac.uk [136.148.1.5]) by mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12110; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:43:13 +0100 (BST) Received: by vax.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 04 Jul 1996 16:34:10 BST Received: from mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk by psb.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:11:49 BST Received: from inferno.damicon.fi (root@inferno.damicon.fi [194.100.3.1]) by mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02809 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:06:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from taz.hyperreal.com (taz.hyperreal.com [204.152.144.36]) by inferno.damicon.fi (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA21116; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:10:25 +0300 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA18898; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:09:20 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA18230; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:01:40 -0700 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA18205; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:01:31 -0700 Received: from [198.97.35.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:07:03 -0700 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:06:23 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Joe Rice Subject: (idm) Re: Keep the Crossover CC: idm@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 5:26 PM -0700 6/25/96, ozymandias G desiderata wrote: > >So, specifics. I got to the show at around 9:00. Either Jonah Sharpe >didn't play live or he was the gent with the short-cropped hair dropping >the hard funked Detroit jams. Yep, that would be Jonah. Guess he's out of his jungle phase. >The DJ that followed him, though, completely knocked my shit right >out. From step one he started dropping the cold, dark techno jams that >give me body rushes and make me jerk spasmodically. Cool, precise mixes >of tons of material on Reload records (the choice of discerning darkcore >beat junkies everywhere), and a few notable surprises (of which I will >write more anon). He was exceptional (in my incredibly arrogant opinion >-- I imagine that many of my compatriots at the show were less than >thrilled. TOO BAD. I was happier than a pig in slop ;). I didn't know >they let DJs like that play in SF. Does anybody have any clue who he was? > Yep, that would be Darren Price. Dunno much about him except that he has a 12 on NovaMute. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 09:54:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA02332; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:54:59 -0700 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA02327; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:54:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA24873; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:54:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199607041654.JAA24873@netcom17.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Fwd: Comparative Religions Date: Thu, 04 Jul 96 09:54:55 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk w/r/t to the "come/unity warning" thread... here's christianity for ya! -------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:39:36 -0700 From: Andreas Ramos Subject: Religion at an early age... After Mandoki asked what to do about his boy growing up among Colombian Catholics and then someone recommending that this is a Christian world, I wrote the following. Now, remember, folks, I grew up in Tennessee, among Baptists. This isn't about theology or some tract from the 1920s. This is what it's like to grow up among Baptists. If you don't like it, well, it's anarchy week. I never met a Baptist minister who didn't have the morals of a snake. The principal of our grade school was a Baptist minister and quite possibly the most evil man I've ever known. Aside from daily hiding behind a tree to dash out and attack us school boys at random with a stick and sexually molesting just about every girl, he drove two black brothers out of our school; one ended up drowning in a pond, where he'd gone in loneliness, since he couldn't go to school. The minister's wife finally found out that he was fucking eleven year old girls; she accused him in church one Sunday morning. We know that Satan truely walks the face of the Earth; he sweet talked the whole congregation into falling upon their knees and praying and weeping for his salvation. Not a damned thing happened. He continued as minister and principal. Baptist friends would try to convert us as kids; my brother finally figured out that it was only because they felt that they would get points with Jesus. They really didn't care about us, whether we were truely converted or not. As kids, we learned very quickly that when some damned Salvation tent was in town, the Baptists would be intolerable with their eagerness to find someone to convert. They'd lay their sweaty hands on your knee and ask if Jesus was truely the King of Your Heart. If you said no, they'd weep and pray and drive you crazy and every time you said no, more of the fools would join the prayer circle. So we learned to lie like their ministers and shout "o yea! Jesus is in my heart! Hallelujah!" and they'd give a half-hearted hallelujah and walk off, to find a jew to convert. My brothers and I told the few Jewish and Catholic kids what we'd discovered and after that, they didn't bother us any more. Sweet Jesus! To this day, I still know quite a bit of the Bible. Our teachers often read it to us; one teacher did nothing else except read the Bible to us every day. We saw that the Bible was just rhetorical phrases that the Baptists used to justify whatever they wanted to do: bomb the gooks in Vietnam ("Let us PRAY for our sons and brothers who are Fighting For Jesus in Vietnam!"), beat the shit out of the gays before the school football games, or get some girl to suck their pecker. I remember listening to the Baptist boys laugh about this: "oh, Lisa, I don't know, I... I... well, maybe I don't feel that Jesus is in my heart, but... if you give me a blow job, I'd try REAL HARD to let Jesus into my heart!" and all the boys would fall on the floor, laughing. One girl was the blow job queen of the school; she did the whole baseball team one night to save their souls and win The Big Game. Blow jobs for Jesus! Baptist girls were totally amoral: they found out that they could do anything for Jesus. The girls at school knew that the best way to get some hot action time with the ministers was to ask for private Bible study. My brother was very good at ranting like a minister: "And I say ha! Jesus is Lord ha! Open your hearts ha!" and he could get a crowd whipped into a frenzy of hatred against this or that and take up a collection which he usually spent on booze or Rolling Stones albums. We all know about the TV ministers who tied themselves to a cheap motel bed and let themselves be whipped into orgasms by black hookers or who were using the church money to keep their mistresses in expensive apartments. Anyone heard about Jesus Land? Some damned minister went around in the early 70s, pointing out to farmers and their wives that the sinners in Los Angeles had Las Vegas and the New York Jews had Disneyland in Florida, but there wasn't a proper place for a God-fearing Christian family to go. He'd roll out the ground plans for Jesus Land: a family theme park for Jesus: streets paved with gold where children dressed up like angels, with little wings, would sell fishes and loaves; a Noah's Ark with elephants and giraffes, and a 500 foot revolving illuminated Jesus, that could be seen clear all the way to Atlanta! Lordy! And the farmers would press their money into his blessed hands. The fellow fled the country with millions. It was all a scam. The captain of the high school football team, who was our neighbor, and a very nice kid, turned out to be gay; his Baptist family threw him out of the house. He was found a year later, naked, dead, with his head in an gas oven in a fleabag hotel. He was buried alone, which just goes to show you what happens to sick people like that. Praise the Lord! So... how to raise a kid in a religious world? If the little bastard has any brains, he'll figure it out. - -- yrs, andreas __________________________________________________________________________ Andreas Ramos andreas@andreas.com http://www.andreas.com ------- End of Forwarded Message From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 09:59:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA02712; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:59:26 -0700 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA02704; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:59:23 -0700 From: AMancia104@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA26189 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:59:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:59:40 -0400 Message-ID: <960704125938_427546743@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: What a Wacky Weekend! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know what is happening in LA for the 4th? or this weekend..............or know the address to so-cal raves?.....................................<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 10:44:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA02162; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:44:42 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA02154; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:44:40 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA15831; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:44:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:44:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: So.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk O.k. kids, Yeah, Shawna that means you;). How was The Promise? Me gots to know!! love- Reagan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 12:11:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA10171; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:11:04 -0700 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA10159; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:11:01 -0700 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA16789; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:10:09 -0700 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA27284; Thu, 4 Jul 96 12:10:08 PDT Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02817; Thu, 4 Jul 96 12:10:04 PDT From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9607041910.AA02817@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Re: Why go to burning man. To: sandoz@sfsu.edu (TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 12:10:03 PDT Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG" at Jul 3, 96 10:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Anyone who does not like burning man and is not going to go when they > could has totally no idea as to what raving is all about and should, to > put it bluntly, go back home to mother as soon as possible. Actually, Burning Man doesn't really sound like it's gonna be what raving is all about. 5 competing sound systems; so much for unity. The Burning Man organizers don't really want us there (please move away another mile) and don't want to hear our music (please point it away from us), but who cares? Let's face it, there will be 2 separate events out there; Burning Man with its "Hell" theme, whatever that means, and the rave camp. I'm sure being there will be loads of fun, even spiritual. Most people will probably find what they are looking for. > At BUrning > man music and nature are one and that is what raving is all about. NO > offence guy but do you still wear dypers? Some people enjoy wearing daipers, others follow the crowd. Each to their own. Lee _________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 12:42:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA12582; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:42:18 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA12568; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:42:13 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA19862 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:42:23 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA13068 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:42:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:42:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199607041942.MAA13068@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Niels Mayer wrote: >...PLUR is just like Christian hypocricy, a lofty ideal which >cannot be practiced, but at least it allows people to intellectualize >how they would like to be perceived by others (so they can have more >friends, get laid, be popular, or whatever). Mmm... I can't agree with you Neils. PLUR is definitely a lofty ideal, but it fits in as a subset of the teachings of Jesus and of the Torah -- and don't get me wrong, I'm not spouting televangalist propaganda here. As you yourself stated, Jesus' message was not about hate. The Torah says something to the effect of "do not to others what you wouldn't want done to you" and Jesus paraphrased it with the "Golden Rule", "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". In my way of thinking, if you're reaching for these truly lofty ideals, you've got PLUR covered. I do believe in a higher being, but I dislike organized religion as much as the next guy. I don't think putting the label "Christian", "Muslem", "Buddhist", etc., on someone automatically makes them a good person, and organized religion has been used throughout history to control people through their fears and ignorance. But at the same time those labels don't make that person evil either. Good intentioned and maybe a little weak, but not evil. I thank the original poster for the information. To his way of thinking, he was looking out for us. I hope he won't be too offended if I don't find it particularly useful. I didn't go to ComeUnity, but only because it just gets too darned crowded and hot. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 13:46:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA18236; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:46:54 -0700 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA18217; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:46:50 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA18122; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:47:01 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607042047.NAA18122@netcom15.netcom.com> Subject: Re: "istorm" vs "icestorm" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:47:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 939 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] Kevin Keiper had URL validity worries - > Subject: Re: Burning Man Details Needed > > ok - in the latest issue of xlr8r, the url is 'icestorm' and here it is > istorm. will the real url please stand up? .... The URL I posted was "http://www.istorm.com/burningman" , and it comes right off of an official Burning Man publication that is sitting next to my computer as I type this. It may be that xlr8r has old info or got the URL phonetically over the telephone. > ... and also i could not get to that spot, there was trouble connecting. > not sure if this is my problem or the server... Probably typical web access gremlins - try again. Don't forget that even when you get to the page, their graphics may take awhile to download for viewing. Larry PS - > > Also - hotline number with touch-tone info menu (415)-985-7471. There is > > registration info there , and other info. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 13:47:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA18314; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:47:51 -0700 Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA18306; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:47:48 -0700 Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA17007; Thu, 4 Jul 96 13:44:32 -0700 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9607042044.AA17007@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Subject: Re: Why go to burning man. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:44:31 -0700 (MDT) In-Reply-To: from "TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG" at Jul 3, 96 10:17:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 938 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Anyone who does not like burning man and is not going to go when they > could has totally no idea as to what raving is all about and should, to > put it bluntly, go back home to mother as soon as possible. At BUrning > man music and nature are one and that is what raving is all about. NO I always imagined that one important thing that raving is all about is accepting that everyone and everything is different and letting everything go free. Which means that people who decide that Burning Man isn't for them are no less important or mature than people who do go. and shame on you for suggesting otherwise. I would probably not enjoy a world that was Burning Man year round, as much as I would not enjoy a world without a Burning Man. Let everyone make their own choice. ^^^ -john. PS. See everyone at Freedom... and wedding photos are now up at http://www.he.net/~swoosh for anyone interested. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 13:52:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA18710; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:52:25 -0700 Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA18704; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:52:23 -0700 From: Clarityi@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA04854 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:53:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:53:21 -0400 Message-ID: <960704165320_149062057@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Gateway Light Campout info and directions!!!(bsp) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all you happy campers. The Light Campout begins Friday July 5th - Sunday July 7th. Friday nights line-up will include Sean Murray, Alex, Joe Rice, Andre Lucero, and Monty. Saturday night will be with John Carel, James Dee, Minor Minor, Ethan, and Andrew. Ambient Bliss in the mornings and late evenings with Conciousness Lab Collective, Robert and Claire. The tickets are at Primal Record in Berkeley for $15, but if you come up Saturday night it's $10. The area is just above Placerville about 170 miles away (2 1/2hrs.) Directions are: -Take 80E to Sacramento to Hwy 50 twards S. Lake Tahoe. -Pass Placerville on 50. -EXIT Sly Park Road and Go RIGHT. -Go 4.5 miles to Morman Imigrant and make a LEFT. -Follow road until Pilican Rd. sign on right of road, -Continue 7 miles (staying on Morman Immigrant) -At 7.3 (from sign) turn RIGHT on dirt road (Look for marker) -Then make immediate LEFT. -Follow road 2.5 miles to Sign which reads: Camp Creek 3 miles. -Continue to bear right following main road to Camp Creek. -Cross the small bridge and at the fork in the road bear LEFT. -Go 1/4 mile and park. -Smile and relax! Important Stuff you will need... -Warm sleeping bag -Good food (lots of it) -BRING YOUR OWN DRINKING WATER!!!!!!!!!!There is creek water for washing only. -Good shoes -Mountain Bike (for fun exploring) -Plates and utensils -tent -Flashlights!!!! -Bug repellant -bucket to hold water -Smile -Good attitude -Good friends! Please DO NOT bring to this family campout... NirtriousOxide or Fireworks!!!!!!!! Thank You! This is a very beautiful area with a lake nearby and a stream flowing with the dancefloor. Please bring anything for the altar or to share with others. There is a community kitchen area for cooking and washing dishes etc. Please car pool and drive safely. See you there! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 14:06:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA20166; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:06:17 -0700 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA20157; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:06:13 -0700 From: AMancia104@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA04753 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:06:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:06:44 -0400 Message-ID: <960704170643_427651850@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: ? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk What is FREEDOM??????????? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 14:08:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA20380; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:08:30 -0700 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA20375; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:08:28 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA20025; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:08:39 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607042108.OAA20025@netcom15.netcom.com> Subject: Chateau de Bust? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:08:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 300 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] I called the Chateau de Boom info number a half-hour ago [ (415) 572-3250 ], and got some old message from last week. Not a good sign for an event that is supposed to have started two hours ago at noon. Anybody have any real info on this event? Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 14:17:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA21379; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:17:45 -0700 Received: from garlic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA21370; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:17:42 -0700 Received: by garlic.com (8.7.5/4.03) id OAA09424; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:17:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Newell To: AMancia104@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ? In-Reply-To: <960704170643_427651850@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk FREEDOM will be the SHIT this weekend!!! you all gotz to go!!!!! ill be there wearin a shinny white t shirt with black stripes and black adidas pants with white stripes and a alien where? hat with a smiley face with alien eyes.. if you see me come up to me i dont bite. Ill be glad to see yah! peace ! On Thu, 4 Jul 1996 AMancia104@aol.com wrote: > What is FREEDOM??????????? > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 14:54:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA24508; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:54:12 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA24500; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:54:09 -0700 Received: (from dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA23632; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: raver snobs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk dude, I remember reading the *exact* same elitist bullshit last year. Something along the lines of only the cool kids were at Burning Man and everyone who went to Basics was a poser. someone can check me on this, but I even think it was a Tristan who posted it as well. Fuck that. Just because you have the means and drive to make it does *not* make you a better person or a better human being. Not everybody has the same health or economic resourses that you may. instead of making condesending remarks, I'm thankful that I've got all my limbs intact, a good back, some cool friends, and a bit of cash for my trip. There are enough assholes in this world, you really don't need to add to their numbers. On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote: > Anyone who does not like burning man and is not going to go when they > could has totally no idea as to what raving is all about and should, to > put it bluntly, go back home to mother as soon as possible. At BUrning > man music and nature are one and that is what raving is all about. NO > offence guy but do you still wear dypers? > Tristan. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 15:15:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA26325; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:15:49 -0700 Received: from mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA26230; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:15:36 -0700 Received: from psb.sbu.ac.uk (psb.sbu.ac.uk [136.148.1.5]) by mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA18601; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:09:03 +0100 (BST) Received: by vax.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 04 Jul 1996 23:15:52 BST Received: from mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk by psb.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:31:49 BST Received: from inferno.damicon.fi (root@inferno.damicon.fi [194.100.3.1]) by mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA02506 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:26:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from taz.hyperreal.com (taz.hyperreal.com [204.152.144.36]) by inferno.damicon.fi (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA20910; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:28:48 +0300 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA15121; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:26:24 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA15003; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:25:30 -0700 Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA14993; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:25:26 -0700 Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aoaioxxysz.organic.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA11666; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199606260026.RAA11666@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> To: Intellectually Dismissive Muzak CC: San Francisco Raves , johnsin@cyborganic.net Subject: (idm) Keep the Crossover Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:26:36 -0700 From: ozymandias G desiderata Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just wanted to relate some brief (you can start laughing now) impressions of my experience at the Orbital / Underworld show in San Francisco last night, with maybe a brief jog into discussing last Friday's Chemical Brothers show. I had a great time. I mean, a _really_ great time. I haven't danced this hard since last October's great Friends and Family party. I was a fish on a line all night long (aka: hooked), and was only briefly able to stop dancing. Everything about the show kept me moving, from the tight (if overly treble-heavy) sound, the great lighting and video, and the MUSIC. My goodness, the music. So, specifics. I got to the show at around 9:00. Either Jonah Sharpe didn't play live or he was the gent with the short-cropped hair dropping the hard funked Detroit jams. I have to give that guy props. He may always be riding the current trend (and make no mistake - the Detroit sound is _very_ trendy amongst the SF techno elite right now. Big ups to Jon Santos and Joe Rice for being two of the biggest perpetrators behind this fashion conspiracy), but he does it with style and (dare I say it) panache. I approved. The DJ that followed him, though, completely knocked my shit right out. From step one he started dropping the cold, dark techno jams that give me body rushes and make me jerk spasmodically. Cool, precise mixes of tons of material on Reload records (the choice of discerning darkcore beat junkies everywhere), and a few notable surprises (of which I will write more anon). He was exceptional (in my incredibly arrogant opinion -- I imagine that many of my compatriots at the show were less than thrilled. TOO BAD. I was happier than a pig in slop ;). I didn't know they let DJs like that play in SF. Does anybody have any clue who he was? Somewhere along there the DJ winked out and Orbital clambered up to take the stage. As has been mentioned, one of the two Ps was wearing a laser pointer strapped to his flashlight glasses. He did funny things with it all night, but really, who gives a shit? Orbital were all about THE MUSIC. The lights were great, the video was just as good as I was led to expect, but oh dear, I got my ass rocked by the sounds pounding their way away from the speakers. I mean, they _started_ with my current favorite Orbital song ("Out There Somewhere") and proceeded to methodically work their way through the high points of their already very high-point-laden catalog. The reworks of "Choice" and "Satan" were particularly tasty, although I thought my ears were going to jump off and make a run for the hills during the more trebly bits of "Satan". Ouch. And, of course, they played "Halcyon" with the magic little Belinda Carlisle bit, which probably would have affected me more profoundly had I not already been expecting it. They finished with a encore consisting of "Planet of the Shapes" and one of the songs off of _Snivilization_ that I never bothered to learn the name of (me? dislike _Snivilization_? Whatever made you think that?). I think that otherwise their set was probably note-for-note the same as the set they did in LA. I personally could have handled a tiny bit more reworking of Orbital's material. I could hear what they were up to sometimes, but I think a lot of the subtler knob-twiddling got lost, and it was sort of odd knowing exactly where all of the breaks were going to occur. It was life- affirming hearing the artists that made me decide that I wanted to be a DJ play their music REAL LOUD through a big sound system, but I thought one of the positive things about techno was that it encouraged experimentation, right? One thing that their video made much more explicit was that Orbital is unusually political for techno artists. The video made explicit many points about consumer culture, the power of symbols in our culture, and our overweening blindness in the face of rampant environmental destruction. I don't think I'm just pulling that out of my butt, either. Some of it would have been difficult to misinterpret (like all of the shots of guys with chainsaws cutting down trees, f'rinstance). In any case, Orbital were exactly as stunning as I expected them to be, and I could have gotten down on my knees and wept at the beauty of it all, but I was too busy dancing and whooping and generally making an ass of myself to be bothered with such maudlin sentiment (those of you who were there -- I was the tall geeklike person with the pony-tail, packer boots, and the bright cheery Public Image Limited T shirt who kept screaming and had the amateur obstacle course set up next to his feet). After Orbital left the stage, That DJ started up again, spinning more incredible hard traxxy mean-spirited techno stuff, including (drum roll please) the Prodigy remix of Front 242's "Religion". Keep the crossover indeed. Both I and the recently-transplanted Midwesterner I was with were well pleased and grinning like idiots at the surprisingly good music. Don't get me wrong -- there are a lot of really good technohead DJs in San Francisco, but I prefer a harder / more abstract sound than what most people here spin, and it was good to hear some of my favorite tunes spun loud. After an interminable break while the road crew tore down Orbital's incredibly huge stage setup and set up Underworld's marginally less complex array of gear, Messrs Smith, Hyde, and Emerson took to the stage, looking cheery and happy to be there. At this point, I was standing up on the balcony, so was able to see what they were doing on stage, which was basically live mixing of presequenced material. Don't forget that Darren Emerson is a DJ first and foremost. I kinda wondered why they bothered doing it that way, considering that it would have been just as easy to sequence everything, but as they warmed to what they were doing they got more fluid with the mixing and it all made sense. They had a buttload of gear up on stage which I could be a faithful little trainspotter for y'all and detail, but I won't. Suffice it to say that they had the usual array of trendy techno gear, and my partner in crime for the evening spent a good chunk of time torturing himself, trying to decide if the little Roland box mounted vertically in one of their rackmount cases was a 303 or a 606. He finally decided that it was a 606 when he saw Karl Hyde tweaking the cymbals on it late in the show. I'd much earlier decided that it really wasn't worth worrying about. I will say for thems that's curious that they were making very prominent (and obnoxious) use of a Nord Lead throughout the evening, and made me decide that I need one of those, monophonic or not. They certainly do make some jaggedly analogesque noises. I'll also say that it was cool that the only use that I saw for the guitar that Mr. Hyde was hauling around stage with him was to act as the frequency input for the vocoder on his voice. I thought that was a neato change of pace. They played a very long set of very dancy material, which suited me just fine, because I was, in fact, there to dance. I personally thought that the vocals were a perfect counterpoint for the music, but I think that we established long ago that there are those that like Underworld's vocals and those that find them superfluous and annoying. I'm one of the former. High points for me included a great, extended version of "Pearls Girl" and a nicely-done encore of "Cowgirl" and "Rez" played back to back. Hearing "Rez" was a very intensely nostalgic moment for me. If Underworld deserves to be remembered for only one thing, it's definitely that song. What struck me most about Underworld was the enthusiasm they brought to their set. While Orbital were content to bob their heads energetically and occasionally confer with each other, Underworld were positively goofy with energy. All three of them were bobbling enthusiastically around the stage, with Karl and Darren pausing periodically to hype up the crowd. When Karl wasn't singing, he was running around the stage like Moby or something. It was fun to watch. And, of course, getting to see the Tomato video was cool, although it was pretty obvious that the videos were intended to be set to different songs than the ones that were currently playing (a disadvantage when a) your song has words and b) those words are integrated pretty heavily into the video). What was remarkable to me was that in the past two years I've gone from being a die-hard anti-fan of Underworld's to thinking that they are positively the bees' knees. The vocals used to _really_ get on my nerves and the music didn't do much for me, but once again, as they finished off Rez I was just about fit to cry (and just about to fall over, too -- I haven't danced that hard in a LOOONG time). I hadn't really thought about what an important show this was to me until I was there last night, but both of these bands have played pivotal roles in my musical development. If it hadn't been for Orbital, I never would have decided to indulge my musical fanatacism and become a DJ, and if it hadn't been for the amazing singles that Underworld put out a couple years ago ("Spoon [Deep Mix]" anyone?), I'd be a much different sounding DJ now. It was a good night. As a brief side note, I did go to see Chemical Brothers last Friday night, and they did in fact go straight for the throat. Those kids do _not_ fuck around. Bombastic beats, dark atmospheres, and light-show imagery rife with images of death, destruction, and repression. Considering how often their music is played by jolly la-di-da handbag club DJs, it was surprising how much their set made me think of a different kind of club altogether. Most excellent, especially the new material, which wasn't quite so {hip|trip|crip}-hop oriented. After they got into a groove they even seemed to be having fun. I think I saw one of them smile once or twice. They also had another wonderful opening DJ (this time DJ Terminator, who played excellent hardstep jungle with good humor, despite the fact that he was in the lighting booth up near the ceiling, had no monitor, and therefore had absolutely no idea what his mixing sounded like). Unfortunately, the [expletive deleted] Trocadero had its usual quirks, this time being a dishwater-dull crowd and some very irritating sound system problems. I'm sorry, but every time I see the name "Blasthaus" on a flyer, I _know_ the party's going to be full of the sort of irritating faux-hipsters (which I guess could be shortened by the omission of the "faux-") guaranteed to set my teeth on edge. Maybe I'm an opinionated, easily-irritated codger, though. Maybe. I _was_ surprised at how friendly and cheerful the Trocadero doorfolk were, I will admit. But now that I think about it, they've always been nice to me, even when they've been firmly telling me (f'rinstance) that I can't bring my pepper spray into the club. Maybe I just look close enough to Goth to pass. Maybe I just relate well to shaven-head death-metal headz. I shrug. yrz, ozymandias onNow: sqpr - "tundra" / "dimotane co" (I have a feeling I like a completely different album than the rest of you, because tracks like these are peachy, but Mr. Jenkinson could drop his bass out the window and I'd still like the album just as much. In fact, the reason I like this album as much as I do has to do with its strong resemblance to works by *cough* Aphex Twin or *cough* *cough* Mu-Ziq more than any resemblance to the current crop of ambient jazz innovative listening progressive intelligent dolphin softstep jungle-meisters.) . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . . ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Desperate, Deathless (415)278-5674 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ:: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 15:23:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA26857; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:23:28 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA26850; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:23:25 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA26339 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:23:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 14:44:06 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: Who Is THX1138 Really? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; Ok, enough of you have asked me this ?; and I firmly believe there should be no secrets, plus I can't keepem; no doubt this will be my Nemisis. I'm also in much more of a secure position than I was a few months ago. So who is THX1138; some of you guessed it right of the bat, I think fellow hacker Wayne D. Coerria was the first person to find me, without asking, he's a good computer guy. THX1138@planet-jubip.com = Brian DarknEs^2, planet-jubip.com is my site on the net. Pronouced ja-bip, it's an east coast expression, and refers to a place in the middle of no where that everyone has been to at one point or another in their life. My B-day present to all of you who were wondering, remember Fred H. when he said, "no one knows you're a CAD in Cyberspace." The withholding of the knowledge of who I was, was strictly a personal decision at the time and was not designed in anyway to maliciously try and deceive anyone, just protect myself. But like I said I'm sure most of you knew this. Peace & Love From Across Cyberspace Brian DarknEs^2 --------------------------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/4/96 Time: 2:44:06 PM --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 15:48:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA28611; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:48:35 -0700 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA28605; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:48:32 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id PAA04589; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:48:59 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607042248.PAA04589@netcom23.netcom.com> Subject: 1st flame! ( or something wetter ) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:48:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3354 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] All the years I've posted stuff to mailists and newsgroups, I've never managed to say something that was upsetting enough to get flamed about ( that I can remember ). So, it's ironic that it took my last few days on SFRaves to get my first ever flame! In reply to my request : "...Well, if anyone could give me some suggestions one way or another ( Go To BM/Don't Go To BM ), I'd appreciate it. Since this topic is only vaguely rave-related ( I know that at least one crew is going to hold a rave at BM ) , please email me with your suggestions - " ( Thanks to you folks who did reply ) The most unique reply came recently in a post to sfraves from Tristan/sandoz@sfsu.edu ( who may be the same person who used to use Kevin Keiper's account ??? ): > > Anyone who does not like burning man and is not going to go when they > could has totally no idea as to what raving is all about and should, to > put it bluntly, go back home to mother as soon as possible. At BUrning > man music and nature are one and that is what raving is all about. NO > offence guy but do you still wear dypers? > Tristan. [ a question on terminology here: Have I been the recipient of what the british call "taking the piss" ? ] I've decided to treat this post as an attempt to convince me to go to BM. I will assume that , deep down inside, maybe Tristan has my best interests to heart. I don't have time for a detailed reply ( going out to enjoy the 4th of July holiday ), but let me try to do short replies to the points being made: 1. Being a true raver implies liking Burning Man: * Assumes I don't like the idea of Burning Man. Quoting from a BM newsletter - "...so is the festival itself a blank canvas for the creative energy of its participants. The possibilities for self-expression are nearly limitless." What I focus on in that quote are the words "creative energy" and "self-expression". Sounds good to me! Problem is I have personal issues that get in the way of me getting into the creative mindset in time for BM. * Implies that if I don't go, I'm not a true raver. If that's what Tristan and others think, it's OK by me. Their opinion is not required to validate the raver portions of my life. 2. A rave out on the playa is in nature: * From the descriptions, the Black Rock playa during the time of BM is sterile; free of plants, animals , and ( I'm guessing here ) even insect life. Probably has some hard-scrabble bacteria that come to life for a few hours when it rains. In my view, this makes the playa-as-nature idea about as valid as SPAM-as-haute-cuisine. The world's biggest warehouse rave with mud on the floor. * How linked to exterior non-man nature is a spiritual path that's dependant on the generator working reliably ? 3. Avoiding BM will prove me to be a sissy: * I guess this is an attempt to convince me to go by shaming me. That would work if the folks who would think that I'm a sissy/wuss/wimp for not going were known to me, and were my friends. To take Tristan as an example, I'm never met him , so have never formed a bond with him. His opinion of me therefore doesn't matter in this case. OOPS! Spent too much time on this. I think that's enough analysis for now! Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 16:17:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA00996; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:17:49 -0700 Received: from mail.redshift.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA00972; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:17:43 -0700 Received: from [165.227.94.156] (red156.redshift.com [165.227.94.156]) by mail.redshift.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA05894; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:18:16 -0700 X-Sender: tim@mail.redshift.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:24:19 -0800 To: analogue@hyperreal.com From: tim@redshift.com (Tim Gotch) Subject: Weird stuff Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is any one getting strange stuff from hyperreal, like really old messages or copies of the analogue digest? Or is it just me? Tim Tim Gotch tim@redshift.com http://www.redshift.com/~tim Hyper Design Technologies hdt@redshift.com http://www.redshift.com/~hdt 395 Del Monte Ctr. #128 Monterey, CA 93940 nothing is true, everything is permitted From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 16:43:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03202; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:43:47 -0700 Received: from mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03160; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:43:35 -0700 Received: from psb.sbu.ac.uk (psb.sbu.ac.uk [136.148.1.5]) by mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20765; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:37:24 +0100 (BST) Received: by vax.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Fri, 05 Jul 1996 00:44:13 BST Received: from mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk by psb.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:33:51 BST Received: from inferno.damicon.fi (root@inferno.damicon.fi [194.100.3.1]) by mail-buffer.sbu.ac.uk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02922 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:28:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from taz.hyperreal.com (taz.hyperreal.com [204.152.144.36]) by inferno.damicon.fi (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA21487; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:32:33 +0300 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA20978; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:31:30 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA20893; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:31:07 -0700 Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA20875; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:31:03 -0700 Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aoaioxxysz.organic.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA11967; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199606260132.SAA11967@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> To: Intellectually Dismissive Muzak CC: San Francisco Raves Subject: (idm) ...brief addendum... Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:32:13 -0700 From: ozymandias G desiderata Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The DJ with Underworld and Orbital was Darren Price. No wonder I thought he was so swell. He's swell. yrz, ozymandias PS -- if anybody wants to say howdy-hoo at Crash Worship tonight, I'll be the lad with the T shirt with the Russky and the megaphone on it. I'll probably also be trying to dance painfully, too. Last night took a lot out of me. . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . . ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Desperate, Deathless (415)278-5674 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ:: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 16:45:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03396; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:45:42 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03387; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:45:39 -0700 Received: from 204.30.65.210 (sjx-ca25-18.ix.netcom.com [204.30.65.210]) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA01668; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:45:50 -0700 Message-ID: <31DBB0E1.3D16@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 04:54:09 -0700 From: CT Reply-To: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com Organization: CT D-Zine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Happy 4th!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey everybody! Happy Independence Day!!!!!!!(Anyone see the movie?) It's a beautiful day here in the south bay...so I hope everybody gets a chance to BBQ, relax, and enjoy the weather wherever you are. I also hope you're all planning to go to Freedom. I'd *love* to see a large contingency of SF Ravers there.....yeah! That would be beautiful! I don't know what I'll be wearing, But I have a backpack with blinking LEDS across it. Come say "Hi!" and pick up a laminate! oh and pleez, watch out for stray fireworks tonight! ;) Hugs, CT --------------------------------------- ______ ________ / ___/ /__ __/ / /__ / / /_____/ /__/ D-Zine Labs graphics-flyers-dream manifestations Terry Estioko (408)955-8638 ---------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 16:47:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03642; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:47:51 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03626; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:47:44 -0700 Received: from well.com (phred@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA06011; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02278; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:48:26 -0700 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9607041648.ZM2276@well> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:48:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) "1st flame! ( or something wetter )" (Jul 4, 3:48pm) References: <199607042248.PAA04589@netcom23.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 1st flame! ( or something wetter ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I wish I had the patience to reply to flames with as much insight as Larry did! As many of you know, Burning Man is not my cup-o-T, and I've never felt any particular need to explain why. It's one of those things that I could never pinpoint in explainable terms, yet I really feel it strongly. I like reading about it and enjoy the descriptions of those who've attended, who nearly universally have at least an amazing time. All the same . . . phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 17:11:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA05322; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:11:32 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA05316; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:11:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfogler@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.13/CDR4.26) with SMTP id RAA116491; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:12:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: jess To: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Why go to burning man. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm sorry but this has to be the _most_ immature and pointlessly destructive post I have _ever_ seen on the list. Why did you feel the need to respond to Larry's sensitive description of his personal thoughts and feelings like this? I just don't get it...:( In fact it makes me so mad that I don't even know what to say. Get a life Tristan... Ranting and Raving (I guess :(...) ** jess ** On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote: > Anyone who does not like burning man and is not going to go when they > could has totally no idea as to what raving is all about and should, to > put it bluntly, go back home to mother as soon as possible. At BUrning > man music and nature are one and that is what raving is all about. NO > offence guy but do you still wear dypers? > Tristan. > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 17:16:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA05733; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:16:55 -0700 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA05723; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:16:51 -0700 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA07379 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:17:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:17:08 -0400 Message-ID: <960704201707_149141988@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Hey from New Orleans` Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Im writing everyone from some bar in the middle of nowhere! Its called the rivershack! They haven't heard of raves here in New Orleans!!!! Crazy huh? Well hope eveyone is haveing a happy 4th! Off to party!!! See you all at the picnic! Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 17:19:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA05958; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:19:29 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA05952; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:19:27 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA29218 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:19:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 17:17:14 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: Trance @ Bahia To: SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; Mars & Eric were awesome lastnight @ Bahia; make sure you catchem @ Dimension Seven tonight. Peace & Love From Across Cyberspace Brian DarknEs^2 --------------------------------------------------------- Name: THX-1138 E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/4/96 Time: 5:17:14 PM --------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 17:20:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA06090; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:20:20 -0700 Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06048; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:20:12 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA15146 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:21:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:21:34 -0400 Message-ID: <960704202133_427724580@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Freedom, new location? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've got a freedom flyer that says SanFrancisco at the bottom, will it not be at the track? Also, does anyone have Basics or Martin's Email address? Thankses, StEvEo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 18:16:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA10011; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:16:11 -0700 Received: from umr.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA10004; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:16:07 -0700 Received: from saucer.cc.umr.edu (saucer.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.58]) via ESMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.7.5/R.4.16) id UAA26267; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:17:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from (rkumar@localhost) by saucer.cc.umr.edu (8.6.12/M.3.01) id UAA16668; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:17:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199607050117.UAA16668@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Subject: the Promise To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:17:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "roger kumar" X-Www-Page: http://www.umr.edu/~rkumar/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk When returning to my room after a moonlight swim in Lake Anza, a message from Justin was waiting. "Hey, you wanna go to promise?" "Sure" So we were off, Justin, Sami, and I. We arrived at the location close to 12:30 maybe, were let past the security gate, climbed the stairs, and entered a most incredible location for a party. After paying the ten bucks (twice as much as i had ever paid for a party in sf), we wandered into a room that looked very much like an apartment minus furnature, with a stereo set up and some non-ravey style music playing. We found the way down a staircase and entered a small room with many couches and blacklights and carpet and a little window through which a dj could be seen spinning dubby-triphoppy type stuff. I chilled to the music a bit, but found it a little to fast for chilling and a little to slow for dancing. However, my ears had picked up on another bass line, and I followed the sound to "the main room" equipped with larger sound and intelligent lighting and a trance-spinnin dj. Immediately I dropped into a trance of my own and swam to the front where the decks were set up and danced and inadvertently bumped off innocent bystanders who had wandered a little too close for saftey. When approching dehydration, I headed back up to the top floor where an automated ambient room had emerged, with a cd player playing chill-out tracks. Unlike most parties, where the sound of the main room usually drove through the walls in to the ambient room, now two soundsystems found their way into the chillout space, but that was ok. Eventually, the ambience stopped and a silly cd started up, which was not ok, so I journeyed back downstairs and bounced around the two other rooms. (btw, although the automated style of the chill space was unique, and ambient dj would have been much cooler...and not too hard to get, most ambient dj's are used to playing for 8 hours for free:) Anyway, I'm not sure if I can describe in words how rad this party was. The main room featured trance and house while the other room specialized in slower triphop n' dub n' stuff. There were lots of big couches and sofas and someone would run in and out of the main room with a milk crate full of free bottled water for those dancing a little to hard!! The sound was perfect, not too loud which keep things safe from cops and earaches. The size of the space was perfect as well, and there were just the right number of people to fill it, with enough room for breathing and dancing (well, maybe the smaller room was a little too small..) I borrowed Justin's digital camera and ran around taking pictures of everyone and everything and blinding the innocent and unsuspecting with my flash. Several familiar faces were present, including a few with names (Justin, Sami, Sara, Todd, Jess, etc. etc.) This was obiviously a very spiritual event for many, with a statue of Ganesha in front of the DJ in the main room, and several girls were whearing a pottu on their forehead, in a bizarre display of neo-Hinduism (the pottu's were red..?) At around three'ish, they stopped charging money for admission. For me, the party really took off at around four or four-thirty. The music in the main room became much too housey so i drifted into the smaller room to discover incredible drum & bass radiating from the soundsystem, and fell head-first into a speaker for quite a long time. All the sets were good. The space was good. Everything was good. Perfect, even. This was my second Spacechildren party (the first being the Oribtal/Underworld show) and my second indoor party in sf(!) (the first being the Orbital/Underworld show. Somehow the parties I go to while in the bay area are _all_ outdoors. I guess all our midwest parties are inside). I thank everyone involved in throwing this party, and possibly I'll see you tonight at packabowl, and then later at freedom or the light campout. Take care -- pJou_| pgp encrypted fone and mail accepted _l rkumar@fnord-1.lbl.gov rkumar@umr.edu From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 18:29:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA10774; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:29:45 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA10764; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:29:42 -0700 From: lowufo@ix.netcom.com Received: from IANHYLAN (sjx-ca22-07.ix.netcom.com [204.30.65.103]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA05225 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:30:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:30:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199607050130.SAA05225@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: lowufo@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Seven weeks of down time Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Lo' all, I finaly got my computer back after 7 weeks of down time. Only 2301 messages in my mailbox. I scanned them the best I could. If I didn't reply to anyones messages, I'm sorry. Please resend it. I'm trying to find out whats going on tonight. (4th of July) Drop me a line. I should be heading to Freedom on Sat. anyone else going? I should be there with rlunatic and friends. Later all Ian H. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 18:35:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA11136; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:35:06 -0700 Received: from mail.redshift.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA11131; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:35:03 -0700 Received: from [165.227.94.219] (red219.redshift.com [165.227.94.219]) by mail.redshift.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id SAA08651 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:35:59 -0700 X-Sender: tim@mail.redshift.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:42:03 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: tim@redshift.com (Tim Gotch) Subject: Re: Happy 4th!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Happy Independence Day!!!!!!!(Anyone see the movie?) Amazing, big explosions, cool ships, etc, etc. A perfect remake of War of the Worlds for the 90's. Go see it! Tim Tim Gotch tim@redshift.com http://www.redshift.com/~tim Hyper Design Technologies hdt@redshift.com http://www.redshift.com/~hdt 395 Del Monte Ctr. #128 Monterey, CA 93940 nothing is true, everything is permitted From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 18:38:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA11350; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:38:29 -0700 Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA11345; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:38:26 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA01318; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:39:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:39:11 -0400 Message-ID: <960704213910_349147048@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: mayer@netcom.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, madox@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Niels Mayer Said: >>I'm the kind of "liberal" that believes that a good verbal ass-kicking is the best defense against stupid unenlightened opinions.<< Then Niels Mayer Said: >>I call him a "bad person" because he's trying to convert people and tell them that their pagan rituals are evil/bad; that he's seen the light and that we're so stupid and unenlightened...<< I suppose hipocracy is an unavoidable human issue, without it we would have little reason to QUESTION OURSELVES AND OUR MOTIVES. Niels Mayer also said: >>I never talk about PLUR, except to make fun of it (go read the archives). PLUR is just like Christian hypocricy, a lofty ideal which cannot be practiced...<< Could the peace I can find within myself be an illusion, is the love I have for my brothers and sisters a front of some sort? The unity we felt at the party last weekend, was it just some halucintory side effect? Should I just give up the respect that I'm giving you and your opinion, and make rude and derogartory comments about your beliefs? Nope. PLUR, -StEvEo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 19:43:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA15364; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:43:48 -0700 Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA15358; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:43:45 -0700 Received: from fish.hooked.net (root@fish.hooked.net [206.80.6.48]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10393; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:44:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by fish.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA29391; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607050222.TAA29391@fish.hooked.net> To: Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Why go to burning man. Response to Tristan Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jul 3, 1996 10:17:14 PM at TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote: >Anyone who does not like burning man and is not going to go when they >could has totally no idea as to what raving is all about and should, to >put it bluntly, go back home to mother as soon as possible. At BUrning >man music and nature are one and that is what raving is all about. NO >offence guy but do you still wear dypers? >Tristan. > > First off... Tristan, you're a CUNT (I've been waiting to use that word for the right person). Congratulations... I have to look no further! It seems to me that you've not even listened to Larry or tried to understand him at all. Larry was kind enough to open up and share with us his feelings about his decision not to go to burning man and why he's decided to slow down in the Rave scene. There's nothing negative to say about that. He didn't have to tell us at all. And for that reason, what Larry chose to share with us as well as any other personal beliefs and opinions, should be respected. If you disagree with Larry's views and values, then that's YOUR fucking problem. His decision has NOTHING to do with you at all. And most definately does not deserve a IMMATURE, negative response like yours, Tristan. You just seem too occupied with your elitist "True Raver" attitude. Well, let me give you a clue, Tristan. You're no "True Raver" to me. So far your attidude contradicts just about everything I believe Raving is all about. It's not about cutting up people for sharing what they're feeling. It's about respecting people for thery're feelings and providing support and other positive or constuctive types of feedback. If you don't agree with a person's beliefs, and can't think of a decent way to let them know... then keep it up your ass. >NO offence guy but do you still wear dypers? Maybe you should be asking this of yourself. It seems to me your need something down there to hold all your BULLSHIT. --erik **IMPORTANT! READ DISCLAIMER** These words were NOT written by moonpup He's in London until late August ...and I'm ERIK. I'll be using his address until then Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jul 4 21:33:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA22684; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:33:52 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA22679; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:33:49 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0uc2bZ-000063C; Thu, 4 Jul 96 21:34 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:34:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: flames?? holocausts!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You're all such a reactionary bunch down south :) we NEVER get this amount of heat on nw-raves. I guess it's cos all we do in the Northwest is smoke weed and listen to lots of ambient. :) amused, k ps. i'm not going to burning man because i have no way to get there. what would you have me do, tristan, crawl on my hands and knees through the baking desert? i think not. ;) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 01:45:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA12071; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:45:26 -0700 Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA12062; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:45:23 -0700 Received: (from sandoz@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id BAA10940; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:46:29 -0700 (PDT) From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG X-Sender: sandoz@pluto To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Community Warning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The only good Christain is a dead one. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 02:47:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA23230; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 02:47:10 -0700 Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA23218; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 02:47:06 -0700 Received: (from sandoz@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id CAA12635; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 02:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 02:48:17 -0700 (PDT) From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG X-Sender: sandoz@pluto To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Why go to burning man? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At no similer event in the US will you find such a diversity of people then at burning man. Everyone is there: from bikers to ravers. Mothers go with there kids; ravers who haven't seen eachother for years meet up. People who last saw eachother at a party in India or Tailand then see eachother there. Here, people take acid or E for the forst time, hear rave music for the first time. And ravers get to meet other kinds of people that they would not normally meet. In one of the most barren places on Earth we bring life and love in the form of the universal umbrella of love that all people like us (weather they like rave muisc or not) are under. Remember: rave culture is a truely world wide phenomina and burning man (together with maybe the Rainbow gathering) is America's contribution to it (like Glastonbury festival in England and the techno fests in Europe). In short, burning man is not some regular kiddy rave; it is a universal gathering of the clan. And, to me, this is what raving is all about; it is why I got involved in the rave scene in the first place. Is that not why everyone on this list is a raver too? And this is why I get so angry when I hear people who won't go to it because they don't like to go a few day's without there creature comforts. Eight months ago I went to a party in the dessrt in India to celebrate the lunar eclipse where there were a thousand people and there was not even a toilet let alone clean drinking water. This fact did not in the slightest bother any of the people there so why is burning man such a problem for people? Yes, there is a lot of sound systems (that's what a techno fest is all about); the more the merrier I say. But at burning man I have felt a unifying vibe that I have never felt at anyother event in America (although I used to feel it a lot whan I was doing parties in England) and I feel very sorry, as well as slightly confused, that other people on this list do not share these same sentiments. Burning man serves to remind us that we are merely a part of the overall world-wide rave culture. But oh yeah, I forgot, this is America where no-one likes the idea that poples of other countries have got it going on even more, or at any rate as much, then they do. Sad but true I'm afraid. I hope that everyone on this list comes to burning man where they will feel a vibe at a party that one can simply not find anywhere else at a party/festival in the US. If people do not agree with the above words then I really can not understand why they are into raving in the first place. See ya all at burning man. Tristan. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 08:23:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA20308; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:23:02 -0700 Received: from mail.bungie.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA20247; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:22:54 -0700 Received: from [206.158.155.30] by mail.bungie.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:27:40 +0000 Subject: DJ DRC Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 10:27:51 -0500 x-sender: alexr@mail.bungie.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Alex Rosenberg To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1375473636-8596250@mail.bungie.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So, here in Chicago, it seems that every other event has DRC from San Francisco in the lineup. While I know I've never heard her spin in SF (quite possibly because SF is much more sophisticated than the House stuff they play here), I'm wondering if anybody's ever heard her play in SF. ------------------------------------------------------ | Alexander M. Rosenberg | | Bungie Software | | Nobody cares what I say. | From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 08:48:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA22335; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:48:30 -0700 Received: from ns2.eds.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA22325; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:48:27 -0700 Received: by ns2.eds.com (hello) id LAA02639; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:48:27 -0400 Received: by nnsp.eds.com (hello) id LAA00416; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from notes.hds.eds.com by spot (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA25272; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:46:11 +0800 Received: by notes.hds.eds.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA1775; Fri, 05 Jul 96 08:46:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9607051246.AA1775@notes.hds.eds.com> Received: from HDS with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id E2FCD303685C809F8825635E005693D0; Fri, 5 Jul 96 08:45:59 To: jess Cc: sfraves From: Todd Manley/Santa Clara/HDS Date: 5 Jul 96 8:46:11 Subject: Re: Why go to burning man. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I agree with Jess! To: sandoz @ sfsu.edu (TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG) @ SMTP cc: sfraves @ hyperreal.com @ SMTP (bcc: Todd Manley/Santa Clara/HDS) From: jfogler @ itsa.ucsf.EDU (jess) @ SMTP Date: 07/04/96 05:12:13 PM Subject: Re: Why go to burning man. I'm sorry but this has to be the _most_ immature and pointlessly destructive post I have _ever_ seen on the list. Why did you feel the need to respond to Larry's sensitive description of his personal thoughts and feelings like this? I just don't get it...:( In fact it makes me so mad that I don't even know what to say. Get a life Tristan... Ranting and Raving (I guess :(...) ** jess ** On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote: > Anyone who does not like burning man and is not going to go when they > could has totally no idea as to what raving is all about and should, to > put it bluntly, go back home to mother as soon as possible. At BUrning > man music and nature are one and that is what raving is all about. NO > offence guy but do you still wear dypers? > Tristan. > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 09:25:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA25286; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:25:41 -0700 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA25280; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:25:37 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA10932; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:25:37 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607051625.JAA10932@netcom3.netcom.com> Subject: Tristan's Better Post To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:25:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1472 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] Recently , Tristan posted a more thought-out and articulate essay about we folks should attend Burning Man - > Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 02:48:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG > Subject: Re: Why go to burning man? > > At no similer event in the US will you find such a diversity of people > then at burning man. Everyone is there: from bikers to ravers. Mothers > go with there kids; ravers who haven't seen eachother for years meet up. ... etc. He has some good points , that I'd like to give my reply to in a fuller post soon. Before that , here's what I think is the most compelling part of his follow-up posting - > ... But at burning man I have felt a unifying vibe that I have never felt > at anyother event in America (although I used to feel it a lot whan I was > doing parties in England) and I feel very sorry, as well as slightly > confused, that other people on this list do not share these same sentiments. > Burning man serves to remind us that we are merely a part of the overall > world-wide rave culture. ... > I hope that everyone on this list comes to burning man where they will > feel a vibe at a party that one can simply not find anywhere else at a > party/festival in the US. If people do not agree with the above words > then I really can not understand why they are into raving in the first > place. > See ya all at burning man. > Tristan. Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 10:05:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA28884; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:05:42 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA28847; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:05:36 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19532 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:05:36 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA25323 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:05:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:05:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199607051705.KAA25323@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Why go to burning man? X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tristan, continuing his hatefest, stated: >In one of the most barren >places on Earth we bring life and love in the form of the universal >umbrella of love that all people like us (weather they like rave muisc or >not) are under. It's too bad love seems to be in short supply on this list... Your comment about dead Christians was pure vitriol, and is in complete opposition to the sentiment stated above. I think you should reexamine your views on PLUR. If PLUR was all you ever managed, you'd probably be a better human being. >Is that not why everyone on this list is a raver too? To go to Burning Man? Nope. I got involved because of the love and acceptance I found, and the unifying drive to gather, to enjoy really good and hugely varied music, and especially to dance without all the hangups that go with dancing at your typical club. Why did I stay involved? Because of the wonderful people I found once I got here. >But at burning man I have felt a >unifying vibe that I have never felt at anyother event in America Geez, I'm sorry that's the case. I felt it at Sunset, the New Moon Rave, the Tahoe Trip(!), Tim's BBQ, Beautiful People, Chrysalis, Tribal Funk, etc., etc., etc. >I hope that everyone on this list comes to burning man where they will >feel a vibe at a party that one can simply not find anywhere else at a >party/festival in the US. If people do not agree with the above words >then I really can not understand why they are into raving in the first >place. Tristan, I haven't been raving for years, but along the short path I've taken thus far I've only found a very few people on this list I didn't care to meet and make friends of. Until you find it within yourself to be more accepting and less exclusionary and judgemental, I'm afraid I have to number you among them. And if you are typical of the kind of mentality I'd find at Burning Man, I really don't see the point in going. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 10:11:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA29412; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:11:23 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA29406; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:11:20 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19910 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:11:20 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA28127 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:11:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:11:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199607051711.KAA28127@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: NRR: Independence Day, the movie - reviews please? X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk WARNING: NON RAVE RELATED!!! Hey, did anyone manage to go see the most ultra hyped movie in this century, "Independence Day"? Could we get a Siskel-and-Ebert-esque review? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 10:15:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA29655; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:15:09 -0700 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA29649; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:15:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA14788; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:14:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199607051714.KAA14788@netcom19.netcom.com> To: "roger kumar" Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: the Promise In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Jul 96 20:17:02 CDT." <199607050117.UAA16668@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 96 10:14:49 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > This was obiviously a very spiritual > event for many, with a statue of Ganesha in front of the DJ in the main > room, and several girls were whearing a pottu on their forehead, in a > bizarre display of neo-Hinduism (the pottu's were red..?) Oh yeah, those red pottus come from the kit "Instant Brahmin -- just add E-tabs" available at finer rave-shops throughout the bay area. A few hours after becoming an instant brahmin, those rave girls are off singing "love means never having to wear your sari". Very enlightening! Yours, Darth Vedas. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 10:22:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA00528; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:22:38 -0700 Received: from dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA00512; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:22:34 -0700 Received: from localhost by dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20395; Fri, 5 Jul 96 12:21:12 CDT Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:21:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Aleph One Reply-To: Aleph One To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Pack-a-Bowl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well made it out to my first Pack-a-Bowl last night and it was loads of fun. I havent bowled in at least 6 or 7 years so it was weird. But by the end of the night I had remeber the correct form and made a couple of strikes and spares. Made some SFRavers: Renaud and Jess. Man can Jess go offf. You got a lot of energy in you girl. Also interesting to see some hardcore for the first time in SF. Loads of fun. Mars spined later but I dont know what happened to that Mars vs Mystr-e thing. Anyone know? In anycase see you all at Light. Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 10:30:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA01192; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:30:03 -0700 Received: from netcom13.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA01168; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:29:59 -0700 Received: (from branka@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA29998; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:29:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:29:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Branka Cehic Subject: ComeUnity, BM etc. To: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, hey! I finally went to a night rave for the first time since I got back from Croatia. Although it was at 1015 and the crowd wasn't my favorite one (having my butt grabbed more than once while walking around the dance floor isn't really what I expect at raves), I still had a great time and was happy to be back in SF. I hang out with Leslie and she said hi to everybody. I hope she gets an account soon :). ComeUnity was fun - it was packed and it stayed that way till 4am (when I left). The music was good and I had a great time dancing. The only problem about ComeUnity is that the place is so packed that dancing with glow-sticks is more difficult than at some other places. The outdoor area is great because you can always go out and cool off (which is necessary after some dancing). Not having to go to work the next day was also great. There should be more holidays on Thursday :))). About BM - I am going because I saw a video from 2 years ago and it looked very interesting and all my friends cannot stop talking about it. I think it will be a fun experiance and I can't wait to go. Only 2 months :)). Have a great weekend and hope to see some of you at Freedom. Also, I would just like to voice my opinion about flames on the list. I think that is not necessary and I think everybody should just try to tolerate others a little bit more. Why call each other names and try to hurt each others feelings? I am really getting sick of reading posts on sfraves that show bitterenes of poeple towards life and others. What about PLUR that everybody is talking about? Maybe if there is something one doesn't agree with why not just e-mail the person rather than getting everybody involved? I think I said enough about this... Hugz, Branka From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 10:49:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA02582; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:49:00 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA02574; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:48:56 -0700 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id KAA16179; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:48:55 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id KAA02043; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:48:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:48:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: Re: NRR: Independence Day, the movie - reviews please? To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607051711.KAA28127@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, SDream wrote: > WARNING: NON RAVE RELATED!!! > > Hey, did anyone manage to go see the most ultra hyped movie in this century, > "Independence Day"? Could we get a Siskel-and-Ebert-esque review? > > S > > Well lets see? : 1) BAD ASS computer graphics 2) action packed from the beginning 3) very important overall message (no race but the human race) 4) great acting, Will Smith = very funny, great comic relief from such a tense movie 5) see it on a big screen with THX or the best sound system you can find 6) it's just as good as all the hype has made it seem GO SEE IT -=* MHG *=- _-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-_-=*=-_=* * \ | | \ | * * |\/ | _` | _` | _` | ` \ -_) |\/ | -_) _| _| | | _| | | * *_| _|\__,_|\__,_|\__,_|_|_|_|\___| _| _|\___|_| \__|\_,_|_| \_, | * * mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ___/ * * ____ __ ======================================== * \===\=========|__|=# == _===___===========__ =The Recording== * <========^==='======> _||_ ==| |=/ (_)__==__=__/ /==Media of the=== * _/_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_\_^__||||_ ==| |/ / / _ \/ // / /===Gods=========== * | TECHNICS 1200 | ==|___/_/_//_/\_, /_/=================== * | | =============/___/=======KEEP IT ALIVE!= * +---/||\----------------/||\---+ ======================================== * ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ * *_-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-_-=*=-_= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 10:57:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA03766; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:57:51 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA03753; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:57:46 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23846 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:57:47 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA19750 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:57:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:57:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199607051757.KAA19750@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Real Ravers X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Real Ravers go to Burning Man. Real Ravers feel the only good Christian is a dead one. Real Ravers laugh at PLUR. Real Ravers scream epithets at anyone that's not a Real Raver. Real Ravers think Americans wouldn't know a rave if it hit them in the face. Real Ravers love the smell of Napalm in the morning. Real Ravers get that back-to-nature feeling as they start up the generator. Real Ravers don't listen to house. Real Ravers don't bathe. Real Ravers vote for Ralph Nader. Real Ravers publicly stomp on other people's religious beliefs. Real Ravers assume anyone that's a hardcore raver feels the same way they do. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 10:59:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA03909; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:59:37 -0700 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA03904; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:59:32 -0700 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id KAA27584; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:59:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:59:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199607051759.KAA27584@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: Why go to burning man? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:05 AM 7/5/96 -0700, SDream wrote: >Tristan, continuing his hatefest, stated: > >>In one of the most barren >>places on Earth we bring life and love in the form of the universal >>umbrella of love that all people like us (weather they like rave muisc or >>not) are under. > >It's too bad love seems to be in short supply on this list... Your comment >about dead Christians was pure vitriol, and is in complete opposition to the >sentiment stated above. I think you should reexamine your views on PLUR. >If PLUR was all you ever managed, you'd probably be a better human being. > What is the difference between Tristan's comment about dead christians and your dogmatic mouthing of PLUR. I will paraphrase a story that some say about future "christians" who go back in a time machine and meet Jesus, only this time it is the PLURist of the future who travel back to San Francisco in 1992 :) PLURist: Look! Overthere! There's Will Hicks! And there's Malachy!!! PLURIst: (Goes over to Mal) Hi! Malachy! Wow It's really you! We're totally devoted tp PLUR and want you to know in the future, the whole civilization has adopted PLUR as it's ground of being! Malachy: Wow that's great! I hope it works. (PLURist leave contented) Mal turns to Will Hicks: PLUR? hmm. What's that? >>Is that not why everyone on this list is a raver too? > >To go to Burning Man? Nope. I got involved because of the love and >acceptance I found, and the unifying drive to gather, to enjoy really good >and hugely varied music, and especially to dance without all the hangups >that go with dancing at your typical club. Why did I stay involved? >Because of the wonderful people I found once I got here. > >>But at burning man I have felt a >>unifying vibe that I have never felt at anyother event in America > >Geez, I'm sorry that's the case. I felt it at Sunset, the New Moon Rave, >the Tahoe Trip(!), Tim's BBQ, Beautiful People, Chrysalis, Tribal Funk, >etc., etc., etc. > >>I hope that everyone on this list comes to burning man where they will >>feel a vibe at a party that one can simply not find anywhere else at a >>party/festival in the US. If people do not agree with the above words >>then I really can not understand why they are into raving in the first >>place. > >Tristan, I haven't been raving for years, but along the short path I've >taken thus far I've only found a very few people on this list I didn't care >to meet and make friends of. Until you find it within yourself to be more >accepting and less exclusionary and judgemental, I'm afraid I have to number >you among them. And if you are typical of the kind of mentality I'd find at >Burning Man, I really don't see the point in going. The point in going is that there are other people in the world other then people who see things your way that you need to learn to get along with and realize that no matter how childish, or impropper their opinions may be, they are still family and deserve respect. Tristan may be opinionated, I often don't agree with what he says, but when the shit hits the fan or it's time to carry speakers or many of the other places where PLUR becomes mere words and action speaks louder, then the whole PLUR-pile, Tristan has been there. He's right, Burning Man shows that our commonalities are greater then our differences. It is a celebration of what a tolerent open and yes anarchistic society can be even if it is only for 5 days. It is maybe the largest modern day example of a Temporary Autonomous Zone. G From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 11:12:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA05579; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:12:46 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA05573; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:12:43 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA07894 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:11:13 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA21349 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:04:02 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Promise / Pac Bowl / weekend Date: 05 Jul 1996 18:50:04 GMT Message-Id: <3812859771.56038301@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The Promise did live up to it's name dancing through Lucrino Andre's and Ethan's sets... The SFR family was in full force chatting and dancing with each other. Many happy vibesters bringing the energy level to an all time high... The free water was a blessing since, although there were several fans running, the heat (in the main room) was enough for me to break a sweat. The main room was the only room I reallly stayed in, but that was enough. Wonderfully situated spot (hidden, but risk factor was ever present...). Demigod @ Pac was amazing... Although I was quite spent from Promise, 3hrs sleep, and running from place to place all day, I was still able to muster up some energy to throw down some serious footwork... for at least a little while. I couldn't stay through the whole set tho' since the allure of sleep was far too inticeing. I did wake this morning with vicious hardcore beats thumping in my head, that was an interesting experience. Mystr-E had a OK set but I've heard better (seems he's @ a lull at the time)... Didn't hear MARS (although I wish I did, from the previous posts...). Unfortunatlly I won't be @ Freedom ( i have a 'job' to do on Saturday) but I've heard of a lil "event" a going-on which sounds VERY entiCing, Saturday night... So, hell, Have agggrEEEAAAATTTT weekend with you and yours, "Dance with me.." ---Adam ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 11:23:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA06523; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:23:02 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA06486; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:22:56 -0700 Received: from [206.79.2.36] ([206.79.2.36]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA30457; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:24:52 -0700 To: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Why go to burning man? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >who see things your way that you need to learn to get along with and realize >that no matter how childish, or impropper their opinions may be, they are >still family >and deserve respect. Tristan may be opinionated, I often don't agree with what >he says, but when the shit hits the fan or it's time to carry speakers or many >of the other places where PLUR becomes mere words and action speaks louder, >then the whole PLUR-pile, Tristan has been there. He's right, Burning Man PLUR and helping out aren't the same thing... I guess I agree with what you say, but it's still pretty fucked up to publicly insult people becuase their tastes in partying differ from yer own (I'm not going to BM either; I'm not even vaguely interested in going... does that mean I'm not "real?"). Yeah, maybe he's a cool guy and lends a hand when it's needed, but on a list like this your words are the only thing alot of people know about you, so you damn well better choose 'em carefully because that's what people are gonna base their opinions on. Not everyone knows or cares that he's a "nice guy" or that he likes to carry speakers if his contributions to the list consist of unfunny namecalling and pretensious posing. Maybe he had his toungue planted firmly in his cheek, but that really doesn't carry through the e-mail medium. -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."| | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 11:50:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA09508; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:50:21 -0700 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09489; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:50:17 -0700 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA090122614; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:50:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: NRR: Independence Day, the movie - reviews please? To: SDream Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607051711.KAA28127@shellx.best.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, SDream wrote: > WARNING: NON RAVE RELATED!!! > > Hey, did anyone manage to go see the most ultra hyped movie in this century, > "Independence Day"? Could we get a Siskel-and-Ebert-esque review? Please PLEASE don't give a too detailed description of the movie if any of you do post about it. I can't see it til Sunday and would like it to be a surprise. love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 11:52:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA09783; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:52:32 -0700 Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09773; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:52:29 -0700 Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03330; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Im going to LA To: Happy Ravers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well, i'll be heading down there for the weekend to see a friend spin. hope all goes well with the gateway trip, wish you all the best of time and good luck! may the force be with you. energy, tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 12:05:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA10904; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:05:01 -0700 Received: from wired.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA10893; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:04:58 -0700 Received: from [204.62.132.158] (olives.wired.com [204.62.132.158]) by wired.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11146 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:10:58 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: olives@hotwired.com (Oliver Raskin) Subject: (NRR) Independence Day, the movie - review Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ID4 Review (warning - kinda long winded) I first got sucked into seeing this movie about 2 months ago when I saw an extended-length teaser while at another film. As soon as I saw the sequence where the Empire State Building (and everything else) gets leveled, I was hooked. The special effects looked killer, and I kinda liked the idea that most of the world gets destroyed before we manage to overcome the slimy green guys (as opposed to the standard approach to these things where there's "loads o' battle" but no real impact on the future of society as we know it). Thanks to the efforts of some fellow officemates, I was able to see ID4 on premier night with only a minimum (read - 2 hours) of waiting. Saw it at the Coronet on Geary (it's a must for an action film -- killer sound, huge screens, cupholders -- need I say more?) with 1000 or so of my closest friends. When the doors to the theater finally opened, people made a mad dash to claim as many seats in the "prime real-estate" as possible. Reminded me of that "land-grab" thing that they did in the Midwest in the 1800s. Pretty crazy, but also pretty fun...makes going to a movie seem alot more exciting than it usually does. Before the movie started, I was talking to a guy who told me that the director of ID4 was the same guy who did "Stargate". If you ever saw Stargate, then you'll understand why my heart sank upon hearing this fact --- Stargate had a killer concept, great special effects, and a shit plot. Somehow, they just couldn't pull all the elements together to make a convincing film. Anyhow, I was hoping that the director learned from his last mistakes and had gotten his act together for this movie. Well, he did, kinda...By this, I mean that it takes a good solid 1 1/2 hours (out of 2 1/2) before the whole plot goes to hell...and during that time, I was entertained as hell. Great ominous opening sequences (don't want to give it all away, in case you see it). Really killer mass-destruction & carnage, lots of fire and flying bodies -- ya know -- a generally good time... But then it clicks in my head who the guy who is playing the President was the "Han-Solo" character in "Space Balls"! Bad acting in that movie was funny -- but here it was just a little out of place IMHO. And then there was Will Smith (Aka The Fresh Prince). I was a little skeptical about what kind of an action hero he'd make. Well, he was funny (with the lion's share of the good lines of the film), but not particularly believable (way too damn hammy in the face of certain annihilation by evil alien beings). And then there were a couple of cheesey melodramatic scenes, intended to shove the sheer tragedy of the entire situation down our throats, but I just laughed through them, due to the Velveeta=AE factor. Give me a little credit next time, eh guys? And then there were the plot holes. In my opinion, it's kind of hard to resolve a conflict involving overwhelming odds in 2 1/2 hours without introducing some holes in the plot that you could drive a Mack truck through. Case in point: Rag-tag caravan of RV's and trailers are screaming across the desert trying to escape the destructive power of the alien spacecraft, who are primarily concentrating on leveling every major city on the planet. They come upon Will Smith, who has recently been shot down and is hoofing it towards his base. They give him a ride. When they get to the base, random military-looking guy asks the group of RVers if any of them have any flying experience at all. A bunch raise their hands. These people are quickly whisked away where they then receive a 6 hour "crash course" (pun intended) in piloting an F-18 Hornet! Oh yeah, forgot to mention this -- they will be carrying nuclear weapons to use on the aliens. Well, the training is sooooo good that these guys are able to successfully dogfight the green dudes (while making standard dogfight wisecracks, of course). Ugh. But enough bashing of the film...I must admit that I was thoroughly entertained for the duration of the film (even when it was by the utter stupidity of the plot). Special effects were amazing, the sound was great (at the Coronet), and the cheering, screaming audience made it all the more fun. I'd even see it again. But don't expect this to be the next Star Wars -- it ain't. If they are still running this movie around the clock (as they've been doing since it's release) it'd make a perfect spin-down activity following =46reedom on Sunday morning -- junk food for your brain for when you can't handle anything stronger!! Ok, that review was way too long. Maybe I'm just bitter about having to work when everyone else is enjoying that 4-day weekend.... C ya Oliver From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 12:10:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA11385; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:10:59 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA11380; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:10:56 -0700 Received: from [206.86.220.227] (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA22056 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:10:53 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:12:01 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bwret@best.com (Alex Ward) Subject: help! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey! How do I get tickets for Freedom? Anyone have the in line on where it'll be? I calle dthe voicemail and it wasn't helpful. Also, what time are people thinking of showing up? -Haps Alex Ward bwret@best.com May the Funk be with you...Always. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 12:16:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA11878; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:16:45 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA11873; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:16:42 -0700 Received: from [206.79.2.36] ([206.79.2.36]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA13910 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:18:38 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: help! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hey! How do I get tickets for Freedom? Anyone have the in line on where >it'll be? I calle dthe voicemail and it wasn't helpful. > >Also, what time are people thinking of showing up? >-Haps yeah... please post this info to the list; thanks. -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."| | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 12:32:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA13264; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:32:42 -0700 Received: from svpal.svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA13256; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:32:39 -0700 Received: (from djtom@localhost) by svpal.svpal.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04155; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: promise was... To: Happy Ravers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yeah, it was a good party! nice space in SF, got there about when ethan got behind the decks. there were plenty of spaces to chill out, even one outside in the cool air. a few SFR people i knew were there (hi paul, shawna, one of the erics, ethan, joe, tony and others). paul brought some new kids into the rave scene and they seemed to enjoy themselves. its nice crossing paths with people at their first rave. the music was a nice change from what ive heard in SF lately, heard the hardest goa set from.. was that Surge after ethan? even a few records i have found their way onto the decks - which almost never happens in the land of house. after a few hours quite a few people took off, and i couldnt stop dancing in teh small room to the last dj playing - house??? thats two house sets this week that were irrisistable to this trance feind, the other being Deaks at the FM sun. nite. so thats my story, hope all is well with you all - have fun camping or at freedom or wherever youll be. energy, tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 14:18:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA22718; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:18:51 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA22707; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:18:47 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA03097 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:18:49 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA24159 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:18:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:18:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199607052118.OAA24159@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Why go to burning man? X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Geoff, since I'm sure other folks are getting worn out already about this thread, what say we take it private? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 14:40:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA24404; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:40:44 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA24396; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:40:41 -0700 Received: from well.com (phred@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA17897; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA10103; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:40:40 -0700 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9607051440.ZM10101@well> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:40:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG "Re: Community Warning" (Jul 5, 1:46am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Community Warning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Attention, zoo goers: Please Do Not Feed The Tristan. Thank you. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 14:41:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA24511; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:41:12 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA24494; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:41:06 -0700 Received: from uclink3.berkeley.edu (uclink3.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.74]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA08267; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (philboyd@localhost) by uclink3.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA25988; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:39:01 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos E Soto To: roger kumar cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: the Promise In-Reply-To: <199607050117.UAA16668@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk are you sure that you're not talking about revival (sat. june 29)? On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, roger kumar wrote: > When returning to my room after a moonlight swim in Lake Anza, a message > from Justin was waiting. > "Hey, you wanna go to promise?" > "Sure" > So we were off, Justin, Sami, and I. We arrived at the location close to > 12:30 maybe, were let past the security gate, climbed the stairs, and > entered a most incredible location for a party. After paying the ten > bucks (twice as much as i had ever paid for a party in sf), we wandered > into a room that looked very much like an apartment minus furnature, with > a stereo set up and some non-ravey style music playing. We found the way > down a staircase and entered a small room with many couches and > blacklights and carpet and a little window through which a dj could be seen > spinning dubby-triphoppy type stuff. I chilled to the music a bit, but > found it a little to fast for chilling and a little to slow for dancing. > However, my ears had picked up on another bass line, and I followed the > sound to "the main room" equipped with larger sound and intelligent > lighting and a trance-spinnin dj. Immediately I dropped into a trance of > my own and swam to the front where the decks were set up and danced and > inadvertently bumped off innocent bystanders who had wandered a little > too close for saftey. When approching dehydration, I headed back up to > the top floor where an automated ambient room had emerged, with a cd > player playing chill-out tracks. Unlike most parties, where the sound of > the main room usually drove through the walls in to the ambient room, now > two soundsystems found their way into the chillout space, but that was > ok. Eventually, the ambience stopped and a silly cd started up, which was > not ok, so I journeyed back downstairs and bounced around the two other > rooms. (btw, although the automated style of the chill space was unique, > and ambient dj would have been much cooler...and not too hard to get, most > ambient dj's are used to playing for 8 hours for free:) Anyway, I'm not > sure if I can describe in words how rad this party was. The main room > featured trance and house while the other room specialized in slower > triphop n' dub n' stuff. There were lots of big couches and sofas and > someone would run in and out of the main room with a milk crate full of > free bottled water for those dancing a little to hard!! The sound was > perfect, not too loud which keep things safe from cops and earaches. The > size of the space was perfect as well, and there were just the right > number of people to fill it, with enough room for breathing and dancing > (well, maybe the smaller room was a little too small..) I borrowed > Justin's digital camera and ran around taking pictures of everyone and > everything and blinding the innocent and unsuspecting with my flash. > Several familiar faces were present, including a few with names (Justin, > Sami, Sara, Todd, Jess, etc. etc.) This was obiviously a very spiritual > event for many, with a statue of Ganesha in front of the DJ in the main > room, and several girls were whearing a pottu on their forehead, in a > bizarre display of neo-Hinduism (the pottu's were red..?) At around > three'ish, they stopped charging money for admission. For me, the party > really took off at around four or four-thirty. The music in the main room > became much too housey so i drifted into the smaller room to discover > incredible drum & bass radiating from the soundsystem, and fell head-first > into a speaker for quite a long time. All the sets were good. The space was > good. Everything was good. Perfect, even. This was my second > Spacechildren party (the first being the Oribtal/Underworld show) and my > second indoor party in sf(!) (the first being the Orbital/Underworld > show. Somehow the parties I go to while in the bay area are _all_ > outdoors. I guess all our midwest parties are inside). I thank everyone > involved in throwing this party, and possibly I'll see you tonight at > packabowl, and then later at freedom or the light campout. Take care > > -- > pJou_| pgp encrypted fone and mail accepted > _l rkumar@fnord-1.lbl.gov rkumar@umr.edu > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 14:49:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA25167; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:49:20 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA25148; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:49:15 -0700 Received: from well.com (phred@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA18756; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA12499; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:49:02 -0700 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9607051449.ZM12497@well> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:49:02 -0700 In-Reply-To: Alex Rosenberg "DJ DRC" (Jul 5, 10:27am) References: <1375473636-8596250@mail.bungie.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: Alex Rosenberg , Subject: Re: DJ DRC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Of course we've heard DRC spin in SF. Her style has changed over the years -- as many good DJs do. In '93 when I first met her she was spinning trancey house, but has moved more toward the German-style hard trance over the last couple of years -- not the plop-plop kickdrum style but the really hard and deep zone with the big open ambient breaks. DRC has a great ear for interesting music outside the current favorite fashion, and her tapes are consistently some of the best from SF. I admit to some bias here, because she's a Northwest native (I live in Portland) and a really good friend. And as anyone who's shopped at BPM knows she's always knowledgeable and helpful. If you think this is a plug, so be it :-) I know she's getting a good response from the Midwest and Texas since she's always flying out there to play. So if she's in your area -- go! phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 15:00:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA26060; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:00:49 -0700 Received: from garlic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA26049; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:00:46 -0700 Received: by garlic.com (8.7.5/4.03) id PAA17376; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:00:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Newell To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Why go to burning man? In-Reply-To: <199607052118.OAA24159@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk about damn time. jeez. On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, SDream wrote: > > Geoff, since I'm sure other folks are getting worn out already about this > thread, what say we take it private? > > S > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 15:02:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA26200; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:02:07 -0700 Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA26191; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:02:04 -0700 Received: from 66-77.client.gnn.com. (66-77.client.gnn.com [205.188.66.77]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA25605 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607052201.SAA25605@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 12:59:47 From: ravebabe@gnn.com (Carol Saldana) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Great fun at Promise! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Promise was great fun and the vibe was moving!! Just wondering how the bathrooms held up? I don't know why I said that- guess because when I first used it I thought how many times it would get flushed!? Bad ass place and triple bad ass sets from Ethan and Solar! PS- Also wanted to say greetings to my new friends Jess, Shawna, Adam, and Larry! You guys are way cool and funny thing is that I had a post it with me with your descriptions and names written on them and I found everyone of you, well some of you found me but anyways you're all beautiful!! Take care at Feedom everyone!! XX OO Carol XX OO C. Peace or Anailation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 15:14:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA27334; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:14:12 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA27321; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:14:07 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA24580 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:13:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 15:12:51 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: RE: D7 & Water To: SFRavers List X-MAILER: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; Ya know, you can teach an old putty tat new tricks. I was ay an awesome party last night put on my the Dimension seven people. Thanks for opening up your space Crystal, AJ, Erin, Cleo, Dusty and everyone elses whose names I'm forgetting. I hope you guys enjoyed the party favors, I know I did. You guys made it a great B-Day for me, not too crowded, not too hot, it was just right. Lastnight, I didn't have access to my regular rave fuild diet of Ice Tea(sugar water, & caffiene) hmmm. hmmmm. good. So I just drank water all night long, this morning I woke up after a very sound sleep, feeling refreshed and vibratent. Water, water, water, is a good thing as long as it's not too much, because too much will KILL YOU. In addition, it was my B-Day lastnight and believe me I went all out. Anyway I feel great, & off to do some clothes shopping, what else is new, later folks. Peace & Love From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2 ------------------------------------------- E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/5/96 Time: 2:48:17 PM ------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 15:28:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA28379; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:28:46 -0700 Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA28373; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:28:43 -0700 Received: (from drenalin@localhost) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA10107; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:26:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:26:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Nelson To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Benefit for John Howard (SF) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:20:42 -0700 From: Little T To: nw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Benefit for John Howard (SF) Hello all, This is Little T letting u all know that I am planning a benefit show for John Howard. I am lucky enough to call myself a good friend of his and have been watching him limp around on his bad leg for over a year now, although he has been for the past 8 years. When John was a 17 year old skater he screwed up his leg really bad and hasnt been able to get the $8000 surgery done on it to fix it yet. If he doesnt get it done soon he will be in deeeeeeeep trouble. Soooo, I am trying to organize a party for him in Seattle (for the simple fact that AMerican money is better than CAnadian). THis will take place on Saturday September 7th. I am asking all Seattle promoters and grooovers to please be simpathetic and let me know if they are planning a show on that date so that I can try to move my date if need be. I am NOT doing this show for profit and ALL the proceeds are going to him for his surgery. The DJ's who will be playing for free and helping organize the party are: Markem (VAN) Buck (SF) Minute Maid (VAN) Quest (SEA) Rein (SEA) Little T (VAN) Mike Stevens (PORT) and John Howard (SF) John does not know about this, all i have told him is to keep this date open so dont be calling him up and telling him. I would really apreiciate your help with this so if u have any ideas or spaces u know of who whould give me a fair price could u e-mail me. I also need help promoting for the simple reason that i live in Vancouver and am usually out of town most weekends. THank you for your support Love Little T From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 16:40:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03791; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:40:28 -0700 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03780; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:40:25 -0700 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA09002; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:40:27 -0700 Received: from hacksaw.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA11806; Fri, 5 Jul 96 16:40:25 PDT From: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM (Mike Schneir) Message-Id: <9607052340.AA11806@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: BM, "ravers", and punk (was Re: Why go to Burning Man?) To: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: SDream@tgrigsby.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607051759.KAA27584@precipice.v-site.net> from "Geoff White" at Jul 5, 96 10:59:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > At 10:05 AM 7/5/96 -0700, SDream wrote: > >Tristan, continuing his hatefest, stated: > > > >>In one of the most barren > >>places on Earth we bring life and love in the form of the universal > >>umbrella of love that all people like us (weather they like rave muisc or > >>not) are under. > > > >It's too bad love seems to be in short supply on this list... Your comment > >about dead Christians was pure vitriol, and is in complete opposition to the > >sentiment stated above. I think you should reexamine your views on PLUR. > >If PLUR was all you ever managed, you'd probably be a better human being. > > > > What is the difference between Tristan's comment about dead christians and > your dogmatic mouthing of PLUR. I will paraphrase a story that some say about Dogmatic mouthings?!? Simply a request for re-examination. > >>Is that not why everyone on this list is a raver too? > > > >To go to Burning Man? Nope. I got involved because of the love and > >acceptance I found, and the unifying drive to gather, to enjoy really good > >and hugely varied music, and especially to dance without all the hangups > >that go with dancing at your typical club. Why did I stay involved? > >Because of the wonderful people I found once I got here. I just like the music, and the hangupless (?) dancing. (Haven't met anyone yet; I'm a bit shy sometimes) > >you among them. And if you are typical of the kind of mentality I'd find at > >Burning Man, I really don't see the point in going. > > The point in going is that there are other people in the world other then people > who see things your way that you need to learn to get along with and realize > that no matter how childish, or impropper their opinions may be, they are > still family > and deserve respect. Tristan may be opinionated, I often don't agree with what Ah, now I see why he wants to go. I don't know, I think he's considered family here. He doesn't need to go all the way to BM just to get respect. And you don't need to drive xx hours and camp out to find people with opinions different than your own and realize that you need to get along with them. > he says, but when the shit hits the fan or it's time to carry speakers or many > of the other places where PLUR becomes mere words and action speaks louder, > then the whole PLUR-pile, Tristan has been there. He's right, Burning Man > shows that our commonalities are greater then our differences. It is a > celebration of > what a tolerent open and yes anarchistic society can be even if it is only > for 5 days. > It is maybe the largest modern day example of a Temporary Autonomous Zone. > > G I don't know. Helping people out whom you feel have the same ideals (defined by being at Burning Man) as you is indeed admirable. But this whole PLUR thing (which to be honest I haven't completely subscribed to yet - still too cynical, I guess) seems to be about treating others outside of your group the same way, and if that is the case I don't see it at work here. Sure there may be all types at Burning Man, but he's defined his groups as those that go, and those that don't, then put himself in the first, and castigated the latter. This all reminds me of a debate on the Misfits list. There's a running thread that flares up every once in a while about which bands/subscribers are/aren't punk. It gets really pathetic, too. The funny thing is, the people who yell the loudest about how punk they are are usually the ones who have little clue and are just trying to lock themselves into an easily recognized identity to hide from the fear of decision-making and personal evolution. I wonder if that is the case with some of us on the list. The greatest part about it is that the Misfits weren't/aren't even a punk band (by their own definition), but the "Punker than thou" types are always trying to classify them as a punk band to fit them into their own little ideology. I hope the above admission doesn't preclude me from ever being a "raver" (I also love old Iron Maiden! Ahhh!) Wouldn't matter, of course. To paraphrase YHWH (sp?)in the Jewish Bible, responding to "Who are you?"... "I am". It beats working, -mike From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 16:54:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA04827; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:54:52 -0700 Received: from garlic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA04822; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:54:50 -0700 Received: by garlic.com (8.7.5/4.03) id QAA17344; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:54:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Newell To: Fred Heutte cc: Alex Rosenberg , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: DJ DRC In-Reply-To: <9607051449.ZM12497@well> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i would have to say the best in sf would have to be dj dan. That dude is soooooooooo awesome. give it up for dan!!! On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Fred Heutte wrote: > Of course we've heard DRC spin in SF. Her style has changed over the > years -- as many good DJs do. In '93 when I first met her she was > spinning trancey house, but has moved more toward the German-style > hard trance over the last couple of years -- not the plop-plop kickdrum > style but the really hard and deep zone with the big open ambient breaks. > DRC has a great ear for interesting music outside the current favorite > fashion, and her tapes are consistently some of the best from SF. > > I admit to some bias here, because she's a Northwest native (I live in > Portland) and a really good friend. And as anyone who's shopped at BPM > knows she's always knowledgeable and helpful. If you think this is a > plug, so be it :-) > > I know she's getting a good response from the Midwest and Texas since > she's always flying out there to play. So if she's in your area -- go! > > phred > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 17:19:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA06497; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:19:38 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06492; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:19:35 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA22635 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:19:31 -0700 Received: (kcroy@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA12593 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:19:07 -0700 From: kcroy Message-Id: <199607060019.RAA12593@shellx.best.com> Subject: ya know To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:19:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 395 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk quiet out there today (sides from the flames). guess its the "away from work/Im at Gateway/Ive got plans allready" thing. so what are you folk looking to tonight? Maybe taking some friends from back east out to _independence_. be nice and maybe cater to their SFHouse needs :) if anyone knows of anything else going on, lemme know. It'd be nice to have a coupla options. take care kcroy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 17:22:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA06704; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:22:20 -0700 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06699; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:22:18 -0700 Received: (from ccat@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id RAA24893; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:22:20 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Message-Id: <199607060022.RAA24893@netcom14.netcom.com> Subject: "Rave Scene" ***Warning!*** To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:22:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 455 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think that this is relevant to the readers of this list! Over the past few years I have been fortunate to have as my friends, many people who call themselves "ravers".. I recently discovered something somewhat disturbing about them that I thought I should share with the group! I have reason to believe that many of the members of this group are Aliens! BE CAREFUL, YOU NEVER KNOW WHO TO TRUST! Your best friend could be from another universe... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 17:35:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA07864; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:35:29 -0700 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA07855; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:35:25 -0700 Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Fri, 5 Jul 96 17:37 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960706003423.093f681c@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 17:34:23 -0700 To: solle@ix.netcom.com (Sunny) From: Freak Zone Subject: Re: Fwd: WICKED (BP) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, solle@solle.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:15 AM 7/3/96 -0700, Sunny wrote: >** ANNOUNCEMENT ** > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< AEROBICS CLASS SATURDAY NIGHT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >I will be holding my monthly aerobics class on the floor of 174 King Street >Garage on Saturday July 6, between 12 a.m. - 7 a.m. Please remember to wear >comfortable shoes and consult your physician before attending. I look forward to >seeing you sweat, smile, and GET YOUR GROOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Your Instructor, >-SUNNY >Solle Clothing Co. (NoCal) >"Yum Yum Gimme Some!" > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YEAH! I'll be there! -Sean _____________________________________ F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." (415) 227-7421 _____________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 17:37:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08029; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:37:09 -0700 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08024; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:37:05 -0700 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA09477; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:36:58 -0700 Received: from hacksaw.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA12119; Fri, 5 Jul 96 17:36:57 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 17:36:57 PDT From: timb@nit.AirTouch.COM (Tim Beauchamp) Message-Id: <9607060036.AA12119@nit.AirTouch.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, ccat@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Rave Scene" ***Warning!*** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I think that this is relevant to the readers of this list! > > Over the past few years I have been fortunate to have as my friends, many > people who call themselves "ravers".. I recently discovered something > somewhat disturbing about them that I thought I should share with the group! > > I have reason to believe that many of the members of this group are Aliens! > > BE CAREFUL, YOU NEVER KNOW WHO TO TRUST! > > Your best friend could be from another universe... So these are the ones to trust right? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 17:45:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08663; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:45:24 -0700 Received: from umr.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08642; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:45:17 -0700 Received: from saucer.cc.umr.edu (saucer.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.58]) via ESMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.7.5/R.4.16) id TAA12175; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:45:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from (rkumar@localhost) by saucer.cc.umr.edu (8.6.12/M.3.01) id TAA20456; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:45:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199607060045.TAA20456@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Subject: Re: "Rave Scene" ***Warning!*** To: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:45:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "roger kumar" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607060022.RAA24893@netcom14.netcom.com> from "Chris Beaumont" at Jul 5, 96 05:22:19 pm X-Www-Page: http://www.umr.edu/~rkumar/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I think that this is relevant to the readers of this list! > > Over the past few years I have been fortunate to have as my friends, many > people who call themselves "ravers".. I recently discovered something > somewhat disturbing about them that I thought I should share with the group! > > I have reason to believe that many of the members of this group are Aliens! > > BE CAREFUL, YOU NEVER KNOW WHO TO TRUST! I take offense to your message. Just because some are different from you, (or as you say: Alien) it does not mean they are not trustworthy. One's trust may only be questioned if one is asked "Are you human?" and the reply is "Yes". In western society, Aliens are the target of many unjustified accusations. A common example is the movie "Independence Day". The advertisements (and the movie as well, i suppose) depict unfriendly Aliens with evil aspirations. Not only is this unfounded, it is a blatent lie used to cover for one's insecurity for that which one does not understand. I know for a fact that the director of Independence Day never counsulted any non-human entity before making the movie. Be suspicious of those who answer "yes" to the question "Are you human?" Parhaps they are, but even some of the most devout Jews chose to hide their faith and identity from the Nazis during the Holocaust. And some do not know the truth about their identity. Evolution is a very slow and gradual process. A raver may be physically indestinguishable from a "normal" human, although a raver's "humanity" may be debatable. > Your best friend could be from another universe... Do not fear that which you do not understand. -- pJou_| pgp encrypted fone and mail accepted _l rkumar@fnord-1.lbl.gov rkumar@umr.edu From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 17:45:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08670; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:45:26 -0700 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08651; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:45:20 -0700 From: Dalshire@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA28466 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:45:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:45:49 -0400 Message-ID: <960705204548_349957446@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Negativity Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow, I am really put on the floor by what I have read on this list. I have known about the sfrave list for about a year, when I started getting into raves and such, but I never really had the time to be able to read all the mail. This summer I figured I would get a chance to read the mail and find out more info on raves around Northern California, since I have more time to go. Maybe it is not my place to say what I am going to say, because I have just put my name in on the list, but it stuns me to see how much negative mail is here. I have always thought of people who attend raves to be those few people in society who could accept the thoughts of others. I did not think that they would be telling others that they should go home if they do not attend a certain rave, or complaining about imposing beliefs upon others. What has happened? My best friend, who introduced me to raves (she posted as "Annie", maybe you all remember her) is the most loving person. Through her I have met some of the best people at raves and on my own as well, but this bunch of letter does not seem to be what is idea behind raves. Do we not attend raves because we love the music that is spun? Are we not there because we love the music, not because we are there to say we went? It seems to me that where one person goes to do what that person wants to do is up to them. It does not make them any kind of person. other than someone who knows what they want to do. I do not understand what is going on here. Please someone tell me that is different at other times and that this is just a time when there is a lot of negative energy circulating. Dalshire From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 18:07:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA10144; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:07:13 -0700 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA10138; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:07:10 -0700 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA09673; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:07:11 -0700 Received: from hacksaw.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA12568; Fri, 5 Jul 96 18:07:10 PDT From: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM (Mike Schneir) Message-Id: <9607060107.AA12568@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: Re: "Rave Scene" ***Warning!*** To: rkumar@umr.edu (roger kumar) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ccat@netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607060045.TAA20456@saucer.cc.umr.edu> from "roger kumar" at Jul 5, 96 07:45:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow, I guess we didn't get enough fireworks yesterday (It's flameday!). I know I didn't, so... > > > I think that this is relevant to the readers of this list! > > > > Over the past few years I have been fortunate to have as my friends, many > > people who call themselves "ravers".. I recently discovered something > > somewhat disturbing about them that I thought I should share with the group! > > > > I have reason to believe that many of the members of this group are Aliens! > > > > BE CAREFUL, YOU NEVER KNOW WHO TO TRUST! > > I take offense to your message. Just because some are different from > you, (or as you say: Alien) it does not mean they are not trustworthy. > One's trust may only be questioned if one is asked "Are you human?" and > the reply is "Yes". In western society, Aliens are the target of many > unjustified accusations. A common example is the movie "Independence > Day". The advertisements (and the movie as well, i suppose) depict > unfriendly Aliens with evil aspirations. Not only is this unfounded, it > is a blatent lie used to cover for one's insecurity for that which one > does not understand. I know for a fact that the director of Independence > Day never counsulted any non-human entity before making the movie. Neither did the director of E.T. I'm assuming the above was written tongue-in- cheek, so I won't say more. > > > Your best friend could be from another universe... > Do not fear that which you do not understand. Then none of us would be afraid! > -- > pJou_| pgp encrypted fone and mail accepted > _l rkumar@fnord-1.lbl.gov rkumar@umr.edu -mike From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 18:33:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA11929; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:33:42 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA11920; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:33:38 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0ucMFf-0001UfC; Fri, 5 Jul 96 18:33 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:33:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Real Ravers In-Reply-To: <199607051757.KAA19750@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Real Ravers will beat you with their wallet chain if you suggest to them that they NEED drugs to party. :) k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 18:40:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA12393; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:40:54 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA12386; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:40:50 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0ucMMe-0000u6C; Fri, 5 Jul 96 18:40 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: Chris Beaumont cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: "Rave Scene" ***Warning!*** In-Reply-To: <199607060022.RAA24893@netcom14.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oh i knew about that :) i secretly ran tests that i found in the Weekly World News on some of my closest friends. they all collect computer stuff .. have odd sleeping hours .... dream in colour .... hey ... i guess _I'M_ an alien too!! damn, how come i can't drink wiht my finger? nanoo nanoo! k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 18:51:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA12984; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:51:11 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA12976; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:51:08 -0700 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id SAA24900; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:51:08 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id SAA13610; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:51:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Community Warning To: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote: > The only good Christain is a dead one. > > Your fucked up intolerant attiude is EXACTLY like a christians. Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 18:56:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA13287; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:56:26 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA13277; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:56:23 -0700 Received: from [206.86.220.227] (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA07912 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:56:21 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:57:29 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bwret@best.com (Alex Ward) Subject: Record Bag (5/5/96) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok, so another scant record buying week, Man, I've really got to learn to conserve $$ a little better. Anyhows, I'm really psyched on what I bought. Same type of stuff as last week. Domestic: Robert Hood: The vision, Metroplex Right, so this record isn't new, but I held off on buying it until now. Four tracks of the classic '95 Hood sound. One track definately reminds me of Minimal Nation. The standout is the b-side #1 track entitled Detroit:One Circle. This is a wicked deep jam which has been slithering it's way into my dream and effecting my subconcious in ways I won't understand until later. It starts off with a nice blippy synth line and then opens up with a deep base kick.Then the sample "DETROIT" starts looping and you just lose it...add some double time hi-hats and it's all over. Massive. Import DJ Jean-Pierre and DJ Groovehead, XS-03 Another enigma. I assume this is an x-Trax product. There's no title or date. "Definition from the soul" is enscribed on the clear plastic. Anyhows, this is a really really solid plate. It's not often I buy import acidhouse/acid/whatever, but I was blown away by the care put into this. Both trax are pretty fast with nice low base kicks (but not low enough to be 'ardcore) and have interesting snares and hi-hats. Both tracks are also groovy as phuck and have enchanting detroit-ish strings looping throughout. Close your eyes and let the drone take you away... Jungle Nightmares on Wax: Still Smokin II- Warp Records I bought the first one last week, so I lose originality for buying pt.2. but after you hear the DJ Food remix of Dread Overboard (and you WILL hear it), you really won't care. This is a 1st rate remix from the first rate trip/hip-hop/jazz/funk MASTER as of late. The tune starts off inna mellow hip-hop stylee some beautiful organ and flute lines float somewhere above the clouds. There's a really nice break with just a pulsating heart beat, and then the number explodes into a jazzy drum'n bass line which took my breath away. There's also a Rae and Christian hip-hop mix and an instrumental jungle version of stars. With music like this...who needs drugs? (and who has the money...*grin*). -peace- -alex Alex Ward bwret@best.com May the Funk be with you...Always. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 19:02:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA13891; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:02:47 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA13886; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:02:44 -0700 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id TAA25377; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:02:44 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id TAA13799; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:02:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:02:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: ComeUnity, BM etc. To: Branka Cehic cc: SFRaves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Branka Cehic wrote: [snip] > Also, I would just like to voice my opinion about flames on the list. I > think that is not necessary and I think everybody should just try to > tolerate others a little bit more. Why call each other names and try to > hurt each others feelings? I am really getting sick of reading posts > on sfraves that show bitterenes of poeple towards life and others. What > about PLUR that everybody is talking about? Maybe if there is something > one doesn't agree with why not just e-mail the person rather than getting > everybody involved? I think I said enough about this... Hi All! Sometimes my intial reaction to flame posts is the same as Branka's here. Sometimes, however, it seems neccessary and good for people to honestly communicate and then to get feedback from their community ( and other comm unity's ;) on what they expressed. This is one factor that gives me hope for the heathy survival of the human race; our increased ability to communicate. Peace all Ran @ Dionysus Dreams -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 19:13:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA14560; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:13:37 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA14554; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:13:34 -0700 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id TAA25854; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:13:34 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id TAA13925; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:13:34 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:13:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: "Rave Scene" ***Warning!*** To: Chris Beaumont cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607060022.RAA24893@netcom14.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Chris Beaumont wrote: [snip] > Your best friend could be from another universe...> I am another universe................................................... Ran @ Dionysus Dreams -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 19:21:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA15031; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:21:02 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA15019; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:20:59 -0700 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id TAA26047; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:19:25 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id TAA14011; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:19:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:19:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: "Rave Scene" ***Warning!*** To: Mike Schneir cc: roger kumar , ccat@netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9607060107.AA12568@nit.AirTouch.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Mike Schneir wrote: [snip] > > Do not fear that which you do not understand. > > Then none of us would be afraid! Fear is a HUMAN emotion and can cut both ways. Those that cherise and respect their humanity usually find a graceful way to live with their fear ( as well as their other emotions ). XXXXXXXXXXXXOOOOOOOO Ran -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 19:28:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA15551; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:28:54 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA15543; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:28:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199607060228.TAA15543@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: COUNT ME OUT!!!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:23:55 -0700 (PDT) From: lanima00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2102 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello everyone, whether you be negative, positive, nice, evil, condemning, etc- i joined sfraves just about 1 year ago. jake reichert dragged me in, kicking in screaming, and i was converted instantly by the love i felt. then, i made the promise to myself: IF RAVING EVER INTERFERES WITH MY LIFE AS A CATHOLIC, I NEED TO LEAVE. i made that promise then, and i must hold to it. recently, there have been a rash of postings that have so offended and hurt me to my personal core, that i am speechless. i have seen phrases like: 1)i dislike organized religion like the next guy 2)dead christians 3)--and numerous other comments displaying a basic intollerance of christianity. i understand that many people have issues with christianity; so do i! as a practicing church musician who also happens to be bisexual, that can lend itself to some problems. i choose to be there, and i expected the support of those in my communities (friends, family, sfraves) to be there behind me. the recent underhanded comments of a few ravers have appaled me and made me realize the blatant lack of support. [note: matt goes away and cries for a few minutes, so disturbed about the comments he has heard recently]. i came into the rave scene, and loved it. i, for the first time, felt part of a community. i thought, they won't mind that i'm a practicing catholic, and they sure as hell won't make comments that will make me feel lesser as a person. boy, was i wrong! thank you to all those who said things like: 1)plur, christianity, buddhism, etc, are all paths to one truth 2)eric petersen's "i love you" posts good bye, all. thanks to the wonderful people i have met: shawna the entire tahoe-trip crew the 4'th street crew (trish, bekka, kc, etc) there are many others that i have met and loved, but i'm a bit too choked up to remember them now. thank you. feel free to write, feel free to say hi, but keep your anti-christian comments to yourself. i love you all dearly- matt lanier lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu 415-752-3218 "this is the day the lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad!!!!!" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 19:56:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA17633; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:56:25 -0700 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA17619; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:56:21 -0700 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA120581779; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:56:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:56:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Negativity To: Dalshire@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960705204548_349957446@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Dalshire, Please don't let the posts from a few people speak for all of us on this list. Not all of us see things that way. Thank you. :) love, Amy |> | |\ | | \| |> Amy Starkey | \ | sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu <| |\ | .................................. | \| |> "Can't tell the real from reflection | \ | When all these faces look the same to me" <| |\ | | \| DURAN DURAN | .................................. <| From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 20:14:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA18952; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:14:38 -0700 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA18947; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:14:35 -0700 Received: from v-site by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id UAA28564; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:15:03 -0700 Message-ID: <31DDDA0E.5ED0@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 20:14:22 -0700 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wowser CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** References: <199607030605.XAA21726@mail-gw.fsr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think you went to an event where Richard Sun was involved... so he freaked you out did he? My opinion... I don't even think you could be so ironic even if you tried. -- salutations, al@ameba _____________________________________ ameba 1732 haight street sf ca 94117 mailto:ameba@netcom.com http://www.ameba.com | \ 415.750.9368 | \ ===================================== | / | / From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 20:36:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA20136; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:36:05 -0700 Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA20126; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:36:01 -0700 Received: from tuna.hooked.net (moonpup@tuna.hooked.net [206.80.6.42]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05448; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by tuna.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA18811; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607060336.UAA18811@tuna.hooked.net> To: Cc: SteveOSac@aol.com, gregor_h@interramp.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: Searching for housing in SF Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Are you still looking for housing? Me and my friend are looking for a place starting September. Maybe it's easier to search for three? --erik From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 20:51:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA20949; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:51:44 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA20942; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:51:40 -0700 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id UAA28800; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:51:41 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id UAA14896; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:51:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Boshko Abrams Subject: SFR ID Stickers To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk When ever I go to a party, I end up asking every person I meet if they're an SF Raver. I was thinking that it would be much easier if SF Ravers wore a sticker on their shirts that said that they are SF Ravers. You know, like the "Hello my name is..." stickers, but "Hello, I'm an SF Raver". Putting your name on your sticker would make life a lot easier, because that way when you run into somebody that you met earlier, they will actually remember your name. I know that I always forget names, so it would help me a great deal. To take this one step further, I'm willing to design a standard sticker with the SFR Logo on it and have a place for you name if people want to add it. Mail me back if any one has any comments, questions, or suggistions on how to go about doing this. Also mail me back and tell me your opinions on this idea. PLLLLLLLLLLLLLLUR, isn't Love great. Matt Da Loaf From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 21:03:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA21679; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:03:49 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA21671; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:03:46 -0700 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id VAA29221; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:03:46 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA15114; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:03:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:03:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Boshko Abrams Subject: Re: NRR: Independence Day, the movie - reviews please? To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607051711.KAA28127@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have to say that ID4 was the most AP (Action Packed) movie I've seen this year, or the last couple of years for that matter. The plot had a few inconsistancies and the alians ability to communacate with the humans was kind of a cop-out to explain why the alians were doing what they were doing, but over all, I thought is was a epic movie. It's one of the few movies that I thought was worth $7. The best thing about the movie was the computer animation, it has to be seen to believe. Matt Da Loaf > WARNING: NON RAVE RELATED!!! > > Hey, did anyone manage to go see the most ultra hyped movie in this century, > "Independence Day"? Could we get a Siskel-and-Ebert-esque review? > > S > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 21:03:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA21715; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:03:57 -0700 Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA21707; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:03:55 -0700 From: MXSNOWMAN@aol.com Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA06069 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:04:53 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:04:53 -0400 Message-ID: <960706000452_149778231@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Someone answer. . . Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey peoples. . . I'm going to independance tonight and all my friends don't wanna go, so if you want to go and don't have a ride, I'd love the company. I live in San Lorenzo between hayward and san leandro. I'll drive. I can take a couple people. Call me at (510) 276-3743 before 10 pm. Thanks. Aryck (Eric) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 21:04:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA21784; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:04:14 -0700 Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA21777; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:04:11 -0700 From: MXSNOWMAN@aol.com Received: by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA10951 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:04:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:04:40 -0400 Message-ID: <960706000439_149778388@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Someone answer. . . I need someone to go with me Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey peoples. . . I'm going to independance tonight and all my friends don't wanna go, so if you want to go and don't have a ride, I'd love the company. I live in San Lorenzo between hayward and san leandro. I'll drive. I can take a couple people. Call me at (510) 276-3743 before 10 pm. Thanks. Aryck (Eric) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 21:31:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA23734; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:31:36 -0700 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA23712; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:31:32 -0700 From: Buddone@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA06001 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:32:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: <960706003201_149791959@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: (NRR) Independance Day Reviews Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry guys I do have to defend this movie. >it takes a good solid 1 1/2 >hours (out of 2 1/2) before the whole plot goes to hell.. The only problem with the plot was in the beginning when they tried to throw a romance angle into an action movie. It slowed down the otherwise fast paced story line. However after they split up the movie returned to it's original pace. >But then it clicks in my head who the guy who is playing the President was >the "Han-Solo" character in "Space Balls"! Bad acting in that movie was >funny -- but here it was just a little out of place IMHO. By what do you rate an actor? >And then there was Will Smith (Aka The Fresh Prince). I was a little >skeptical about what kind of an action hero he'd make. Have you ever seen Bad Boys? One of the great action movies of the decade and an excellent job by WILL SMITH. Yes the directing was excellent (by Michael Bay, The Rock) also. However Smith proved he was an actor. >And then there were a couple of cheesey melodramatic scenes, intended to >shove the sheer tragedy of the entire situation down our throats, Name them. >When they get to the base, random >military-looking guy asks the group of RVers if any of them have any flying >experience at all. Did you go to the bathroom and miss 30 minutes of the movie? >Oh yeah, forgot to mention this -- they will >be carrying nuclear weapons to use on the aliens. Again how much of the movie did you miss while you were in the bathroom? The F-18s only carried regular missiles and the B-2 stealths carried nukes. >I'd even see it again. You should see it again. >Maybe I'm just bitter about having to >work when everyone else is enjoying that 4-day weekend... Gee I wouldn't have noticed. Perhaps you should spend more time to try thinking for yourself and not try to be the next Siskel and Ebert. Maybe you should try going to movies for enjoyment instead of to practice your cynicism. They are a break from reality not a prediction of a future. The Bud, Yak, Pink From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 21:44:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA24684; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:44:17 -0700 Received: from terra.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA24676; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:44:14 -0700 Received: from [205.134.228.40] (ppp053-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.53]) by terra.sirius.com (8.6.12/960421) with SMTP id VAA26477 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:44:13 -0700 X-Sender: wash@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:47:56 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: wash@sirius.com (WASHINGTON) Subject: Live/Work space for rent in Oakland Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My roomates and I live above a storefront that has been converted into a practice space for a band, and we intend to have occasional shows. The space is pretty large, also suitable for artists. The front of our space is presently being painted by the infamaous SF graffiti artist Twist. The bedroom available is kinda small, but but the living room can be used for a deskspace and such. The kitchen is pretty big. Extremely close to Bart. $300.00 a month, utilities not included. I'm really the only "raver" of the bunch, but we're (3 males) all pretty likeable, creative people. Washington " prono is theme" TEKACHI PRONO PAGE:http://www.sirius.com/~wash From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 22:18:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA26886; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:18:09 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA26875; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:18:05 -0700 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id WAA01390; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:18:06 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id WAA16098; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:18:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Boshko Abrams Subject: More on SFR ID Stickers To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OK, I made the first set, some just have the day SFR logo and underneath it, it say's SFRaves. I took the logo directly off the web page, so if there is any copyright issues, please let me know. The second set of stickers have the same logo, but on the right side of it there's blank space for you to put your name. I'll be at the Freedom rave giving these out to any SFRavers who ask. Now I bet nobody can guess how to identify me? Yes I'll be wearing my own sticker with my name on it (Matt Abrams). See all of ya (that are going, of course) there. PLLLLLLLLLLLLUR You know the only thing better then love, more love. Matt Da Loaf From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 22:25:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA27619; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:25:16 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA27612; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:25:12 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0ucPrh-0002GrC; Fri, 5 Jul 96 22:25 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: lanima00 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: COUNT ME OUT!!!! In-Reply-To: <199607060228.TAA15543@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk and MEEEEEEEE don't forget MEE! :) us canajuns love ya too no matter what faith you hold. Forget all the bad vibe if you can. I too am frequently distressed by the number of ppl in the rave scene who are astoundingly narrow-minded and vituperative. I find that most people who attack another's faith do so because they are insecure in their own beliefs. For a culture that is supposed to be so open, accepting and loving, i find there are a LOT of ravers who simply have no clue. HOWEVER! i also have found some of the most amazing, astonishing, gorgeous, vibrant, open, loving, giving, marvelous, groovealicious people thtat have ever existed on the planet. You guys keep my delight in raving fresh and joyful. PLUR should be a way of life, not just an acronym. k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 22:43:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA28743; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:43:23 -0700 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA28737; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:43:20 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id WAA06692; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:43:21 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199607060543.WAA06692@netcom9.netcom.com> Subject: SFRaves Hints! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:43:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2617 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] [ yeah, Larry's stiiillll hanging around! You'll get rid of me come next week Wed ( Unsubscribing Day ) ] After reading Dalshire and Branka's posts, and especially Matt Lanier's post , I thought I'd express some of my opinions about SFRaves I've developed over the years . Please excuse the rambling - 1. SFRaves is composed of a subset of humanity, with all the variety and faults of the species. ( any Extraterrestrial-Americans on SFRaves are trying to pass as human, so my point still applies in this case ) 2. There is no monolithic SFRaves mindset - some folks have strong opinions about spiritual/religious beliefs that are at odds with others. Some include religious tolerance in PLUR, some feel raving as a refuge away from religion(s), some , like Matt, try to resolve the spiritual power of raving to their religious beliefs. 3. To save on heartache, try considering SFRaves as a news medium for awhile, not the meeting place of a community. I've been on SFRaves since summer of 1992. I have learned that, like any group of people put together by a common interest that doesn't require strictly adhered membership rules ( raving, DeadHeads, science fiction fandom ), the common interest doesn't guarantee a "party line" or 100% adherence to any common philosophy or code of manners. Given enough variety, it doesn't even guarantee shared opinions related to the common interest ( "DJ # vs DJ *", spirituality and raving vs religion and raving, this crew vs that crew vs the cops, etc). ( I have come to rely less on the idea of an SFRaves "community" and more on a "circle of friends". I have applied this idea to my time subscribed to SFRaves , and I'm hoping that the friends I made via SFRaves will stay in touch with me when I unsubscr*be next week. ) 4. The longer subscribed to SFRaves, the more posts you will read, and the more familiar you will be with people's personalities. You will develop a "calibration" that you can apply to any future posts they make. ( That's why Tristan's original short sharp Burning Man post didn't really bother me as much as it did some others. It was in the style of his older posts - "in character" ) Finally - 5. Take the sometimes disconcerting or disturbing beliefs that may be expressed here in the same manner as if you read it in the "letters to the editor" pages of the daily newspaper [ or, worst case situation, as if you had accidently tuned in some bizarre and scatalogical talk show on your radio ]. Hope these hints help! Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 23:01:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA29876; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:01:02 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA29864; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:00:58 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp054-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.54]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id XAA00100; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:00:57 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960706060240.0093bab8@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 23:02:40 -0700 To: lanima00 From: Polaris 99 Subject: Re: COUNT ME OUT!!!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >recently, there have been a rash of postings that have so offended and >hurt me to my personal core, that i am speechless. i have seen phrases like: >1)i dislike organized religion like the next guy i think the beef with organized religion is that in general, it makes people all think the same way about a certain religion (i.e. christianity) instead of being an individual about it and interpreting it for themselves. not that all people cannot interpret it for themselves, but that the majority of people i have known cannot. that is the sad part for me, that people look to their minister (or whomever) for interpretation, rather than their own hearts and minds. i'm all for chistianity, if it is truly about the christian ideals. however, i do dislike the current right-wing reactionary biased religious types who have so much to say in the media these days. obviously, most (i hope) christians do not fall into this category, so i surely won't try and judge all christians by this vocal minority. anyway, i see two different things: christianity as an organized religion, and christianity as a personal philosophy. anyone who thinks for themselves fits into the second category and i am happy for. but i do have a problem with those "sheep" who just follow along in someone else's footsteps without thinking for themselves. my only real complaint about christianity is that it seems to promote the afterlife over our current life - saying that we should be good in order to attain eternal happiness, instead of being good for the sake of being good and leading a fulfilling life. oh well. >2)dead christians well, i'm not a christian and this offended me. so you aren't alone. i'm not sure if i was offended as much as sickened by the overt display of ignorance and intolerance. tristan (an others) don't seem to believe in plur. like the acronym or not, what it is about is realizing that we are all together on earth, and realizing that the best possible life for everyone is attained by caring for others as much as ourselves. yes, being an individual is good, but you must always realize that no matter where you go you are always part of humanity. >3)--and numerous other comments displaying a basic intollerance of >christianity. again, i should hope the problem is with the organized "preach to the masses" approach of christianity, not the individual approach. >1)plur, christianity, buddhism, etc, are all paths to one truth i'll certainly agree here. not that there is "one truth", but that any philosophy that gives you a way to live and comes from inside you, is the ideal. truth can be internal or external, but the realization of it (or part of it) must come from within. anyway matt, i hope you don't view this as more christian-bashing, as that is certainly not my intent. good luck. and to all others: i hope everyone can remember to be civil and intelligent with their discussions, and i hope that everyone can find a philosophy that runs as deep at matt's obviously does. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 23:08:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA00633; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:08:28 -0700 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA00628; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:08:25 -0700 From: Dalshire@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA05819 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 02:08:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 02:08:48 -0400 Message-ID: <960706020846_570826506@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: More on SFR ID Stickers Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Stickers would seem to be a waste. You would have to throw them away after every time you went to a rave. A better idea (and one which has been done for SFRaves in the past) is to create a laminated card that could be worn. This way there is no waste involved. Each person would only need one and it could be worn on some part of their body. I do not know exactly who it was that did this in the past, all I know is that my friend picked one up from the guy who made them at the Renaissance Faire that went on in Black Pointe Forest. Would this be a feasible idea? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 23:11:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA00861; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:11:36 -0700 Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA00855; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:11:33 -0700 From: Dalshire@aol.com Received: by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA27530 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 02:10:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 02:10:36 -0400 Message-ID: <960706021033_570827408@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Negativity Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thank you to everyone who told me the truth. I was very troubled by what I was reading. It had seemed that the list had become crazy, but now I understand. I am sorry to anyone that felt offended by me judging everybody as a whole. I did not mean to and I will not do it again. I am just happy that there are those people who care enough to let me know that everything is not how I had pictured it. Thank you all again. Peace, love and happiness... dalshire "Come fly the teeth of the wind, share my wings." --FSOL From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 23:16:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA01168; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:16:33 -0700 Received: from mail-out1.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01161; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:16:30 -0700 Received: from post-awful.apple.com (post-awful.apple.com [17.255.0.17]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA44808 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:17:03 -0700 Received: from [17.202.40.154] (hahnbr.apple.com [17.202.40.154]) by post-awful.apple.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20256 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:18:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199607060618.XAA20256@post-awful.apple.com> Subject: Re: More on SFR ID Stickers Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 23:14:08 -0800 From: Anarch To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dalshire@aol.com wrote: >Stickers would seem to be a waste. You would have to throw them away after >every time you went to a rave. The advantage of stickers is that it's easy to get one with your name on it. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 23:18:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA01288; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:18:57 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01283; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:18:54 -0700 Received: from 204.31.236.134 (sjx-ca35-06.ix.netcom.com [204.31.236.134]) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA10054; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:18:26 -0700 Message-ID: <31DD5E67.4BCE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 11:26:47 -0700 From: CT Reply-To: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com Organization: CT D-Zine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: More on SFR ID Stickers References: <960706020846_570826506@emout10.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dalshire@aol.com wrote: > > Stickers would seem to be a waste. You would have to throw them away after > every time you went to a rave. There is nothing wasteful about somebody taking the initiative to execute a creative idea for the benefit of everybody. PLUR, CT --------------------------------------- ______ ________ / ___/ /__ __/ / /__ / / /_____/ /__/ D-Zine Labs graphics-flyers-dream manifestations Terry Estioko (408)955-8638 ---------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jul 5 23:22:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA01489; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:22:34 -0700 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01483; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:22:31 -0700 Received: from primenet.com (root@usr4.primenet.com [198.68.32.14]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA25327; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:22:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (godwit@localhost) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08504; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:22:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:22:32 -0700 (MST) From: "Christopher L. Escarcega" To: Randy C Cone cc: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Community Warning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk argh... religion-bashing is SO blase, dahling.... thwap! *beats thread to death with his trusty foam bat...* =D th' desert lurker... ______________________________________________________________________________ Chris Escarcega godwit@primenet.com http://www.primenet.com/~godwit "Everything to excess...Moderation is for monks." - Lazarus Long ______________________________________________________________________________ On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Randy C Cone wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote: > > > The only good Christain is a dead one. > > > > > > > Your fucked up intolerant attiude is EXACTLY like a christians. > > > > Ran > > > -=*=- > ~ > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 00:15:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA06222; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:15:03 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA06214; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:15:00 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA01163 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:15:03 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA12946 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:15:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:15:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199607060715.AAA12946@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Community Warning X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Christopher L. Escarcega wrote: >religion-bashing is SO blase, dahling.... >thwap! >*beats thread to death with his trusty foam bat...* Wow. I think... ... I think it's dead... Yup. It was pretty stupid anyway, but now it's more than just brain dead. It's really dead... You're good! Can I borrow that foam bat next time this happens? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 00:15:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA06259; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:15:49 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA06252; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:15:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199607060715.AAA06252@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: i'm sorry! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:10:50 -0700 (PDT) From: delaja00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1230 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi alls! well, for all those who went to organic, you might have noticed not seeing me...i'm really sorry that i could not go, but my boyfriend (raf-one) did not have a way to get to work tomorrow, and so, i had to stay so that i may drive him. i am really sorry once again, but hey! i will definitley be at FREEDOM tomorrow!!!!!!! take care, and i will talk to you later! byebye, ...jan... delaja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= "So, where can i find you at a rave? Where will you be?" "You can always find me at the Right Front Speaker" #######\ * \|/ * _ woo! * \|/ * /####### # (o) # | -O- * _( )__ -O- * | # (o) # # (o) # | * /|\ * /. / * /|\ | # (o) # ####### | * ___m/|__m/___ * *| ####### #' _ '# | OOOOOO -OOOOOOO--OOOOo-OOOOOOO | #' _ '# # / \ # | OO OO| OO O OOO | OO O | # / \ # thub # \_/ # | OOOOO | OOOO OOOO | OOOO | # \_/ # thub #. .# |--OO-OO-|_OO________OOO|-OO-----| #. .# thub #######/ OOO OO OOOO OOOOO OOOO \####### Right Front Speaker Family +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 01:02:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA08558; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:02:59 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA08552; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:02:56 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca25-14.ix.netcom.com [204.30.65.206]) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA01129 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:02:16 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:02:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199607060802.BAA01129@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong) Subject: -=>FREEDOM<=- To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk See you all at FREEDOM tomorrow?! I will be there with CTD-Zine and LOWUFO . If you see us, don't just come and say "hi!", GET DOWN AND DANCE! =)~ See ya all tomorrow! Adam R.Lunatic My Black and White Dr.Suess hat will always be with me... ...and my new adidas pants!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 01:53:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA12980; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:53:07 -0700 Received: from acergw3.acer.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA12974; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:53:04 -0700 Received: from smtplink.acer.com ([204.160.139.137]) by acergw3.acer.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA15532 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.acer.com (SMTPLINK V2.10.05) id AA836643318; Sat, 06 Jul 96 01:48:08 pst Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 01:48:08 pst From: "Andy Wyszkowski" Message-Id: <9606068366.AA836643318@smtplink.acer.com> Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Promise Delivered Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To everybody involved with the flame war re: Come Unity, thank you. The whole argument made Promise seem more appealing, so I went (alone even). Best I've ever been to (only my third) VIBE VIBE VIBE. I look forward to seeing you all at Freedom. ... Who was that drum&bass dj around 4:00am at the second room?! ... Thank you: John with the Curious George shirt, Whoever had them Tic Tacs, Everybody who spun, The girl with the Elmo, The entire chill room, Just plain everybody dammit, The people I met from San Jose (ride to Freedom?;) who called me Adam, The scene, The promoters of that thing, And the ever most awesome city of San Francisco... Peace Peace Peace. Andy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 05:39:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA00773; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 05:39:44 -0700 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA00767; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 05:39:41 -0700 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id FAA29010; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 05:40:07 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 05:40:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199607061240.FAA29010@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: Why go to burning man? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >PLUR and helping out aren't the same thing... I guess I agree with what you >say, but it's still pretty fucked up to publicly insult people becuase >their tastes in partying differ from yer own (I'm not going to BM either; >I'm not even vaguely interested in going... does that mean I'm not >"real?"). Yeah, maybe he's a cool guy and lends a hand when it's needed, >but on a list like this your words are the only thing alot of people know >about you, so you damn well better choose 'em carefully because that's what >people are gonna base their opinions on. Not everyone knows or cares that >he's a "nice guy" or that he likes to carry speakers if his contributions >to the list consist of unfunny namecalling and pretensious posing. Maybe he >had his toungue planted firmly in his cheek, but that really doesn't carry >through the e-mail medium. E-mail is wonderful don't get me wrong and the list definitely has it's place in the Scene. But I must remind people that that the list is a list, it may be about raving but to talk about it and to do/be it/throw it/dance it are too completely different animals. People put too much emphasis on what a person says on the list, they should get out and meet people and then form an opinion. TRistan may have his ways and like many people who get behind a terminal their alter ego comes out. Bersides I didn't say he's a "nice guy", I said he's there for the Scene where it counts, if it we;re for people like tristan, there wouldn't be anything for the 500 or so people to gobble about on a daily basis. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 12:25:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA21295; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:25:23 -0700 Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA21287; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:25:20 -0700 Received: (from sandoz@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA25550; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:25:18 -0700 (PDT) From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG X-Sender: sandoz@pluto To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Freedom. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk All right then, who's up for Freedom then. Saw the flyer and it looked whicked; should be one of the better parties of the year (it's outdoors for a start). Hope to see ya all there! Tristan. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 12:34:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA21889; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:34:52 -0700 Received: from hungary.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA21877; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:34:47 -0700 Received: from [153.37.82.89] (pool025.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.89]) by hungary.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19173 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:34:33 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin) Subject: Great PROMISE and my FREEDOM plans Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all, Sorry this review is a little late but I been caught up in all the independence celebrations. I hadn't been to a party since BASICS, mostly because I was getting turned off by the greedy promoter attitudes at many parties and I wasn't willing to spend 20 bucks for a halfass time... well Promise reintroduced me to the reasons I loved to rave- great music, great people, and interesting venues. I'm sure everyone's read about the location on mission already but I just wanted to add that it seemed comfortable, like a house party, very inviting, colorful and exciting. Many rooms, hallways, and interesting art work. Anyone see the bugs crawling into the face on the bathroom wall? anyways I loved all the music. Memorable dj's Ethan man he got me movin', Henrick - very rythmic and great mixing, Ryde (NY) was great (anyone hear him at Organic?), Solar - Yeah, and all the others fit the mood just perfectly. I hadn't heard drum and bass/jungle spun in a while and it was great to hear it again. Many great people, what's up Shawna M., and to the many others who I don't remember. I did more dancing than socalizing though cuz I couldn't stay away from the main room. i think I'm always like that. I do more dancing than socalizing at party because I come for the music first and people come second. Sorry guys. Well see ya at FREEEEEEEDDDDOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will have a tent set up with a flag of some sort and a tiki torch outside the tent. I'm wearing my old and new laminate and I will have a few glowsticks...I'm bringing a watermelon cuz we didn't eat it at the BBQ on the 4th. I'll probably b wearing blue jeans with some white shirt. Come and say hi if ya see me or my tent. OOOHH yeah it's kidee's birthday today too and she'll be hangin' with me too some where, along with a bunch of other new and old friends. See ya all there.. . . __/-^-\__ . . . . . <<<>>> . . . @ . `'\-*-/`' . . . . . = . . /|\ . . . . . . / | \ . . . / | \ . . . . . / / | \ \. . . . / / | \ \ . . . = . . / / / | \ \ \ . . . . . / / / | \ \ \ . . = . . / / / / | \ \ \ \. . . . . / / / / | \ \ \ \ . . _@_/` ~\_e_/~ _G/ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ . . ~/ }} (*) < =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ = . // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ . . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 12:44:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA22437; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:44:14 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA22431; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:44:11 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA11093 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:44:11 -0700 Received: from kcroy.vip.best.com (kcroy.vip.best.com [206.86.4.246]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07416 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:44:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:44:09 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: kcroy@best.com (kcroy) Subject: x-radio Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I lost the address (which includes the URL) of x-radio- (www.x-radio.com?) Anyway, i have some info for you re: legal issues on rebroadcast discussion we had. drop me a mail, and ill send it to you. kcroy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 12:49:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA22724; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:49:33 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA22717; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:49:30 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp034-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.34]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id MAA02631 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:49:30 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960706195113.009552ec@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 12:51:13 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Polaris 99 Subject: Re: Freedom. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >All right then, who's up for Freedom then. Saw the flyer and it looked >whicked; should be one of the better parties of the year (it's outdoors >for a start). Hope to see ya all there! >Tristan. yes! freedom!!! =) =) why can't we have a big sfraves meeting point for once? so everyone can get together? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 12:50:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA22805; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:50:25 -0700 Received: from hal.mobius.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA22799; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:50:22 -0700 Received: from x-radio.mobius.net by hal.mobius.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0uceKp-000JH0C; Sat, 6 Jul 96 13:52 PDT Message-ID: <31DEBF93.458B@mobius.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 12:33:39 -0700 From: wilton paul risenhoover Reply-To: pauly@mobius.net Organization: (none) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kcroy CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: x-radio References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk kcroy wrote: > > I lost the address (which includes the URL) of x-radio- (www.x-radio.com?) > Anyway, i have some info for you re: legal issues on rebroadcast discussion > we had. > drop me a mail, and ill send it to you. > > kcroy try http://www.x-radio.com/x-radio/ or mail it to me at pauly@mobius.net thanks From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 13:02:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA23866; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:02:44 -0700 Received: from terra.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA23861; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:02:41 -0700 Received: from [205.134.228.92] (ppp092-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.92]) by terra.sirius.com (8.6.12/960421) with SMTP id NAA03386; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:02:38 -0700 X-Sender: sddpw@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:02:22 -0700 To: Alex Rosenberg , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: sddpw@sirius.com (Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works) Subject: Re: DJ DRC Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk While I know I've never heard her spin in SF >(quite possibly because SF is much more sophisticated than the House >stuff they play here), I'm wondering if anybody's ever heard her play in >SF. I have heard DRC spin plenty o times and I LOVE her stuff. (Though I am realizing I have not heard her spin this year (1996) as I am "out of circulation" at the moment). She manages somewhow to keep it hard without being completely electronic. It is this "natural" element in her stuff which is why she is one of my favs. Of course, if you like the total non-reality experience of really hard trance/techno, then maybe she might not be to your liking. Wondering what others think of DRC.... arkay From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 14:01:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA27743; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:01:36 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA27735; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:01:32 -0700 Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca28-28.ix.netcom.com [204.31.235.124]) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA00755 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:01:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:01:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199607062101.OAA00755@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Beautiful People!!! (bsp) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello SFR!!! Happy 4th of July!!!! (a little late, but better late than never) I hope everyone had a safe and happy holiday! I did!! (so far) Anyways, the reason of this post is to invite you to our next family gathering. This one will be a real small, word of mouth (and Net) "Beautiful People!" It will be in San Francisco, on Saturday July 13th. Dj's are (so far): Galen - Trent - Jon Bishop (SD)- Dutch - Greg - plus more to be announced... Tickets are limited!!! Please call the info lines to get all the information... (408)486-9591 - (408)450-3044 Bring your toys, candy, energy, smiles, and your best vibes!!! Hope to see you there!!! Peace, love and harmony to all, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 14:45:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA00175; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:45:03 -0700 Received: from PACBELL.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA00168; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:45:00 -0700 From: hugz@pacbell.net Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-30-81.hywr01.pacbell.net [206.170.30.81]) by PACBELL.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA19721; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31DE35B4.6BB1@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 02:45:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBXE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Ching CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 1st flame! ( or something wetter ) References: <199607042248.PAA04589@netcom23.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Larry Ching wrote: > > [ to sfraves list ] > > All the years I've posted stuff to mailists and newsgroups, I've never > managed to say something that was upsetting enough to get flamed about > ( that I can remember ). So, it's ironic that it took my last few days > on SFRaves to get my first ever flame! > > ( Thanks to you folks who did reply ) The most unique reply came recently > in a post to sfraves from Tristan/sandoz@sfsu.edu ( who may be the same > person who used to use Kevin Keiper's account ??? ): Yeah.. this is the same dumb shit that that was here last year...best to ignore him folx. > > > > [ a question on terminology here: Have I been the recipient of what the > british call "taking the piss" ? ] > believe me.. he's not smart enuf to take the piss, poor bastard believes what he said :) hugz :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 14:56:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA00814; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:56:03 -0700 Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA00799; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:55:59 -0700 Received: from unknown (crl2.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA21593 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:55:11 -0700 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: ameba , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: "Comeunity" **Warning!** Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 21:39:53 GMT Message-Id: <31dedce4.1523191@mail.crl.com> References: <199607030605.XAA21726@mail-gw.fsr.net> <31DDDA0E.5ED0@netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <31DDDA0E.5ED0@netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok, who's Richard Sun? He doesn't have horns and a pointy tail does he? David On Fri, 05 Jul 1996 20:14:22 -0700, you wrote: >I think you went to an event where Richard Sun was involved... so he >freaked you out did he? > >My opinion... >I don't even think you could be so ironic even if you tried. >-- >salutations, al@ameba >_____________________________________ >ameba 1732 haight street sf ca 94117 >mailto:ameba@netcom.com >http://www.ameba.com | \ >415.750.9368 | \ >===================================== > | / > | / > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ This website is not yet rated. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 15:34:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA02886; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:34:21 -0700 Received: from acorn.ousd.k12.ca.us by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA02880; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:34:16 -0700 Received: from [198.94.64.204] by acorn.ousd.k12.ca.us with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0ucfvc-006fBTC; Sat, 6 Jul 96 15:34 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 15:34 PDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: scaplier@ousd.k12.ca.us (fuck me) Subject: ride to freedom! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello people, I'm am long time reader of sfraves but I don't post very often... I just wanted to know if anyone felt kind enough, and had enough space in their car, to give me a ride to freedom to catch the sunset (at around 7 pm)... All o' my friends are on vacation so I guess I'll have to go at this alone... I'll contribute some $$$ for gas if it's cool... Love, Moander From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 15:43:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA03530; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:43:04 -0700 Received: from mail.domain.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA03521; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:43:00 -0700 Received: from [192.215.97.142] by mail.domain.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:42:59 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:42:59 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wayne Correia Subject: We're going to FREEDOM! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Be sure to look for Knucklehead, Marcy and I at FREEDOM today/tonite/tomorrow -- it's going to be the massive of the month! We'll be taping the party so if you don't know what we look like we're the silly people changing DAT tapes all evening/night/morning in both the outdoor DJ area and the ambient tent. the info line for FREEDOM is 415-905-9629 and it starts at 7:00pm -w ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia wayne@club.net 900 Tennessee Street TEL: +1.415.826.6000 www.club.net San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 www.domain.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 15:45:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA03688; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:45:20 -0700 Received: from acorn.ousd.k12.ca.us by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA03678; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:45:17 -0700 Received: from [198.94.64.204] by acorn.ousd.k12.ca.us with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0ucg6I-006fBTC; Sat, 6 Jul 96 15:45 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 15:45 PDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: scaplier@ousd.k12.ca.us (Moander) Subject: forgot to leave my number... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just forgot to leave my phone number if anyone was kind enough about giving me a ride to FREEDOM! my number is 415-621-7624 Moander From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 16:20:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA05990; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:20:56 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA05980; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:20:53 -0700 Received: from [136.152.95.73] (blather.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.95.73]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA01365 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: freedom... help! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well... my ride-to-freedom options are dwindling fast... can anyone with room for one provide a ride from San Jose? I'll donate gas money, conversation, free tupperware samples, or whatever... if you can help out, give MIKE a call at 408.264.6604... I probably won't check my e-mail again today. thanks (in advance) -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 16:37:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA06919; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:37:51 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA06909; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:37:48 -0700 Received: from 204.31.236.153 (sjx-ca35-25.ix.netcom.com [204.31.236.153]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA01586; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:37:18 -0700 Message-ID: <31DE51E4.5D2A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 04:45:40 -0700 From: CT Reply-To: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com Organization: CT D-Zine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Freedom. References: <2.2.32.19960706195113.009552ec@140.174.229.14> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > yes! freedom!!! =) =) > > why can't we have a big sfraves meeting point for once? so everyone can get > together? Any ideas people???? - We could invade the Right Front Speaker Family at the right front speaker....(eh, Sarvi?) - Or we can chase Knucklehead and Wayne around as they change DAT tapes - Or we could all cram into Austin's tent. Hope you have enough watermelon, Austin!! ;) I dunno...whadaya think?????? --------------------------------------- ______ ________ / ___/ /__ __/ / /__ / / /_____/ /__/ D-Zine Labs graphics-flyers-dream manifestations Terry Estioko (408)955-8638 ---------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 17:10:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08979; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:10:18 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08972; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:10:13 -0700 Received: (from dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA13188; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:10:12 -0700 (PDT) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: fuck me cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ride to freedom! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk take the magic bus. On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, fuck me wrote: > Hello people, I'm am long time reader of sfraves but I don't post very > often... I just wanted to know if anyone felt kind enough, and had enough > space in their car, to give me a ride to freedom to catch the sunset (at > around 7 pm)... > All o' my friends are on vacation so I guess I'll have to go at this alone... > I'll contribute some $$$ for gas if it's cool... > > Love, > > Moander > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 17:19:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA09488; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:19:44 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA09482; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:19:41 -0700 Received: from [136.152.95.73] (blather.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.95.73]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA11914 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: FREEDOM Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Damn, that was fast! I already got a ride to freedom after posting just half an hour ago! (thanks andy and terry for the offers; Andy, are you Polish? SFRPoles unite! =) anyway, I know there's a bunch of you I've been meaning to meet, so here's my short description: 6'0", short brown hair with bleached blond bangs, blue jeans, red and blue polo shirt, and a green backpack with an Friends and Family patch, an Alien patch and an SFR laminate. -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 17:19:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA09522; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:19:51 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA09510; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:19:48 -0700 Received: from [136.152.95.73] (blather.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.95.73]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA14678; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 To: Polaris 99 From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Freedom. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>All right then, who's up for Freedom then. Saw the flyer and it looked >>whicked; should be one of the better parties of the year (it's outdoors >>for a start). Hope to see ya all there! >>Tristan. > >yes! freedom!!! =) =) > >why can't we have a big sfraves meeting point for once? so everyone can get >together? right front speaker? Jan and Sarvi are going to have a tent up there, I think. -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 17:41:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA11006; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:41:00 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA11000; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:40:57 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca52-17.ix.netcom.com [206.214.103.209]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA23988 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:40:29 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:40:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199607070040.RAA23988@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong) Subject: Re: Freedom. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: >- We could invade the Right Front Speaker Family at the right front > speaker....(eh, Sarvi?) > NOW THE FRONT RIGHT SPEAKER SOUND EXCELLENT!!!!!!! =)~ Adam R.Lunatic From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 17:58:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA11917; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:58:23 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA11912; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:58:20 -0700 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id RAA00943; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:58:21 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id RAA07804; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:58:21 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:58:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Apology - NRR To: sfraves In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960706053458.00957e58@140.174.229.14> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi All! I must humbly and ashamedly apologise for a post that I made. In response to the Tristan post below; > On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote: > The only good Christain is a dead one. I wrote; > Your fucked up intolerant attiude is EXACTLY like a christians. which is a prime example of cognitive dissonance at work. I was essientially saying that ALL Christians are the same and they all think alike. WRONGO BUDDY BOY! Christians seem to be just like any other group of people; some "good", some "bad", most pretty average folks (meaning a mixture of "good" and "bad" qualities). I've meet Christians that I would be proud to call my friend. I've meet some that scare me to death. Unfortunately I had just come from a 4th of July Christian event (I work with a stage lighting company that provided lights) and part of that event was a lip synched production crying for more God in school and government. The biggest problem I had was that instead of God the play was pushing conservative values (big anti-same sex marriages bit with a lot of hate, anger and intolerence thrown around). So anyway I had a bit of a one sided view on this situation. My real perspective is that I do not know how this world and universe is put together and that any group that claims they do is arrogant in their assumption(s) but they may be right. And that includes my view on how the world operates. Maybe everyone is right and we do not live in a universe but a multiverse. Oh yeah, apologies for misspelling `attitude'. Peace all Ran @ Dionysus Dreams -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 19:07:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA16491; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:07:21 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA16486; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:07:17 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA22596 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:03:41 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 19:01:45 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: Brian DarknEs^2 Special Parties Alert To: SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; There's a lot more interesting stuff other than Freedom going on tonight. It's going to be blowing up tonight in a big Brian DarknEs^2 kinda away in the old SF town tonight. Only commited people who can meet me here in E-Ville will me able to come with me. That's a max of three, sorry but it's private. The first 3 people who I know & who call me at one of my Analog numbers listed below, and commit will be given the details at 9. There's a hint to what kind of party it's going to be in this message. See Ya, & God this is going to my 4th day straight, my body is starting to hurt, but no pain no fun. Peace & Love From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2 ------------------------------------------- E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, ******Trance****** Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/6/96 Time: 5:38:37 PM ------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 19:07:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA16506; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:07:26 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA16501; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:07:24 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA22593 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:03:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 17:38:37 PDT From: "THX1138" Subject: Brian DarknEs^2 Special Parties Alert To: SFRavers List X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; There's a lot more interesting stuff other than Freedom going on tonight. It's going to be blowing up tonight in a big Brian DarknEs^2 kinda away in the old SF town tonight. Only commited people who can meet me here in E-Ville will me able to come with me. That's a max of three, sorry but it's private. The first 3 people who I know & who call me at one of my Analog numbers listed below, and commit will be given the details at 9. There's a hint to what kind of party it is in this message. See Ya, & God this is going to my 4th day straight, my body is starting to hurt, but no pain no fun. Peace & Love From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2 ------------------------------------------- E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, ******Trance****** Nation Wide Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 Date: 7/6/96 Time: 5:38:37 PM ------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 20:01:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA19749; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:01:32 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA19743; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:01:29 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA06267 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:01:31 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA01896 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:01:26 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:01:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199607070301.UAA01896@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: NRR: Help! Problems with a new IDE drive X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is completely non-rave-related -- I need some quick tech info. I just bought a 2gig drive. My AMI BIOS sees it and did the low-level format and the interleaving. DOS does not see the whole drive though. FDISK thinks there's only 504 megs on it, and will only work with that much of the drive. Can anyone give me a heads up on what's going on? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 20:48:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA23480; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:48:39 -0700 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA23474; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:48:36 -0700 Received: from v-site by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id UAA29782; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:49:04 -0700 Message-ID: <31DF338A.4C4D@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 20:48:26 -0700 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SDream CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NRR: Help! Problems with a new IDE drive References: <199607070301.UAA01896@shellx.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is it connected with scsi? -- salutations, al _____________________________________ ameba 1732 haight street sf ca 94117 mailto:ameba@netcom.com http://www.ameba.com | \ 415.750.9368 | \ ===================================== | / | / From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 20:53:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA23908; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:53:24 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA23898; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:53:20 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA24478 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:52:58 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960707035224.009e6a08@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 20:52:24 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: 2 Spots Left To A Rave @ The Worlds Only Day Glow Museum Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Call From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 21:35:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA27719; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:35:31 -0700 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA27713; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:35:29 -0700 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA103644127; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:35:27 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:35:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Wong Subject: Re: NRR: Independence Day, the movie - reviews please? To: SDream Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607051711.KAA28127@shellx.best.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, SDream wrote: > WARNING: NON RAVE RELATED!!! > > Hey, did anyone manage to go see the most ultra hyped movie in this century, > "Independence Day"? Could we get a Siskel-and-Ebert-esque review? > Yeah I got a chance to see it on the 3rd. I thought there was too much hipe for the movie. Not bad though. What did you think? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 21:36:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA27901; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:36:46 -0700 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA27881; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:36:40 -0700 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA104294199; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:36:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:36:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Wong Subject: Re: NRR: Independence Day, the movie - reviews please? To: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Cc: SDream , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > WARNING: NON RAVE RELATED!!! > > > > Hey, did anyone manage to go see the most ultra hyped movie in this century, > > "Independence Day"? Could we get a Siskel-and-Ebert-esque review? > > > Well lets see? : > > 1) BAD ASS computer graphics > 2) action packed from the beginning > 3) very important overall message (no race but the human race) > 4) great acting, Will Smith = very funny, great comic relief from such > a tense movie > 5) see it on a big screen with THX or the best sound system you can find > 6) it's just as good as all the hype has made it seem > I agree with you 100% on your 6 points, however didn't you think that the movie developed too slowly? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jul 6 21:41:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA28374; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:41:39 -0700 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA28369; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:41:35 -0700 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA107624494; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:41:34 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Wong Subject: Re: (NRR) Independance Day Reviews To: Buddone@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960706003201_149791959@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >Oh yeah, forgot to mention this -- they will > >be carrying nuclear weapons to use on the aliens. > > Again how much of the movie did you miss while you were in the bathroom? The > F-18s only carried regular missiles and the B-2 stealths carried nukes. Don't forget the spaceship that Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum were in had a nuke. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 00:20:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA10943; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 00:20:26 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA10935; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 00:20:23 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA06252 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 00:20:27 -0700 Received: from kcroy.vip.best.com (kcroy.vip.best.com [206.86.4.246]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA21796 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 00:20:23 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 00:20:23 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: kcroy@best.com (kcroy) Subject: mira tonight ? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk so there is this trance thing 245.3546 this is kinda lame, but i can't understnad the VM. Any idea where this is happening? take care Kcroy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 02:59:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA25919; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 02:59:47 -0700 Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA25914; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 02:59:44 -0700 From: MXSNOWMAN@aol.com Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA27469 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 05:59:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 05:59:07 -0400 Message-ID: <960707055905_351071656@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: I didn't like freedom at all. . . Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey people, some of you might disagree, but I think a motocross track (MX track) is not a cool place for a rave. I've raced there a bunch of times and never would I even think of dancing???? I didn't like it how the main dance place was in the middle of the oval track and the rocks, dirt, dust, and bugs made it really annoying to dance. Also, someone put some kind of wierd drug on a button in my water bottle. It made my girlfriend wired, and tasted like metallic bitter like stuff. But I don't see how you'd get crank on a button if you had too. I was trying to dance and every couple moves, I'd slip into a little hole or one of the whatever many million people would walk into me or go in my way. In doors was a little better with the same jungle music constantly playing. Not much room to do much in there either and the uneven carpeting made is pretty hard not to trip and fall on my face. Though I didn't dance much cuz of all the people. So I pretty much think that it was a huge ass waste of money for what I got out of it. Give me your opinion. I think the bigger commercial raves suck. I had waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more fun at independance friday. For any sfravers out there , I was the dork with a black shirt, khakis, and white gloves on dancing by the front right black light (Right front black light family!!!). To RLunatic:::: Hey buddy, hope you had fun. I'm looking forward to seeing you again cuz It's pretty cool to actually know people from the cpu world and put them together in rreal life. Oh. . . my girlfriend thinks that you're pretty damn good looking. Just so you know. To the right front speaker family::::: I went to the right front speaker to see if I could meet any of you people but I had no clue what any of you looked like. I asked some chick if she was part of the right front speaker family and she looked at me like I was crazy. Don't blame her though, I would if I was her. Tell me what you people look like so I can meet up with ya and boogie down. Love ya all (and thats not just the "E" talkin) Aryck Also, why didnt someone tell me that freedom was at sandhill ranch, I would have brought my bike and done some nac nac's off the doubles.. . . See ya again.And again, and again, and if anyone wants to go dancin some time, feel free to call me cuz If I have money, then I'd love to go. Just ignore my Answering machine message and leave a message. (510)276-3743. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 03:45:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA29983; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 03:45:12 -0700 Received: from odin.community.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA29977; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 03:45:10 -0700 Received: (from ben_chun@localhost) by odin.community.net id DAA21630; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 03:44:56 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 03:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Chun Subject: Re: (NRR) Independence Day, the movie - review To: Oliver Raskin cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk just now saw it... did you catch the 2001: A Space Odessy reference in there? b e n c h u n From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 09:34:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA16810; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 09:34:44 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA16803; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 09:34:41 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca73-25.ix.netcom.com [207.93.129.89]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA26348; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 09:34:07 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 09:34:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199607071634.JAA26348@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong) Subject: Re: I didn't like freedom at all. . . To: MXSNOWMAN@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: To RLunatic:::: Hey buddy, hope you had fun. I'm looking forward to >seeing you again cuz It's pretty cool to actually know people from the cpu >world and put them together in rreal life. Oh. . . my girlfriend thinks that >you're pretty damn good looking. Just so you know. > Uhh... It's not me... it's the Black and White Dr.Suess hat! =)~ Adam R.Lunatic From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 11:03:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23747; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 11:03:33 -0700 Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23738; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 11:03:30 -0700 From: Dalshire@aol.com Received: by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA08667 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:02:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:02:26 -0400 Message-ID: <960707140225_150512252@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: More on SFR ID Stickers Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 96-07-06 02:19:52 EDT, ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com wrote: >There is nothing wasteful about somebody taking the initiative to >execute a creative idea for the benefit of everybody. You are right there is nothing wasteful about somebody coming up with a creative idea. I am just interested in trying not to cause waste in our environment and this is what I meant by waste. I believe most heartedly in creativity, it is the essence of our world. It just seems to me that stickers can only be used once and in a world where we all must try to do our part to help out the environment, wouldn't it be somewhat better to have something that can be reused many times? Dalshire From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 11:30:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25573; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 11:30:22 -0700 Received: from lettuce.salinas.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25558; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 11:30:17 -0700 Received: (from drenalin@localhost) by lettuce.salinas.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA11788; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 11:28:31 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 11:28:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Nelson To: Dalshire@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: More on SFR ID Stickers In-Reply-To: <960707140225_150512252@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 7 Jul 1996 Dalshire@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 96-07-06 02:19:52 EDT, ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > >There is nothing wasteful about somebody taking the initiative to > >execute a creative idea for the benefit of everybody. > > You are right there is nothing wasteful about somebody coming up with a > creative idea. I am just interested in trying not to cause waste in our > environment and this is what I meant by waste. I believe most heartedly in > creativity, it is the essence of our world. It just seems to me that > stickers can only be used once and in a world where we all must try to do our > part to help out the environment, wouldn't it be somewhat better to have > something that can be reused many times? How about laminates with a white area so you could write your name with a dry erase marker or permanent pen and it would be readable but no one would have to go the trouble of making each laminate personalized, which might take awhile. love drenalin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 13:14:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA03420; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 13:14:15 -0700 Received: from pobox4.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA03415; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 13:14:11 -0700 Received: from [157.22.222.117] (ip117.domain.net [157.22.222.117]) by pobox4.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03524 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 13:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 13:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: gonzo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Burger King) Subject: sunset? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is there one today? jon From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 13:24:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA04234; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 13:24:16 -0700 Received: from netcom13.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA04229; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 13:24:13 -0700 Received: (from ephedra@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA13921; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 13:24:12 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 13:24:12 -0700 From: ephedra@netcom.com (ephedrina) Message-Id: <199607072024.NAA13921@netcom13.netcom.com> To: gonzo@leland.Stanford.EDU, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: sunset? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk re: sunset > > Is there one today? > > jon Yep, voice mail says it's at Point Molate.. See you there! kia From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 14:01:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA06777; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:01:59 -0700 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA06768; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:01:56 -0700 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA135273308; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:01:48 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Wong Subject: Re: (NRR) Independence Day, the movie - review To: Ben Chun Cc: Oliver Raskin , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > just now saw it... did you catch the 2001: A Space Odessy reference in there? > Hmmm I didn't see it. What part of the movie was it in? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 14:30:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA08703; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:30:36 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA08697; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:30:33 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca16-19.ix.netcom.com [199.35.223.147]) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21227 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:30:01 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:30:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199607072130.OAA21227@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong) Subject: ~FREEDOM~ To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, this party went off! I can understand ARYCK's opinion about this rave. It was tooo damn dirty!! Dust and dirt everywhere you went.. My black shoes and pants turned YELLOW!! Haha! This has to be one of the best parties I've been to! (Besides Harmony's BP) =)~ This party was good because of the people I hung around the whole night!! Brenden, Todd, Leslie, Terry, Ian, Phelps, -MIKE M-, Umm... my mind is sorta spaced out right now so if I forgot anybody just chew me out.. and some people I met but didn't get to hang around.. Sherry, Sarah, Austin, oh man... too many people to name.. Music was great! VIBE was EXCELLENT! Temperature was PERFECT!!! Maye if the ground was paved it would have been much better!! Anyways... time to go to work all spun out! yeeeeheeeee!!!! Live it, love it, rave it!!! Adam R.Lunatic From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 15:08:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA11167; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:08:18 -0700 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA11154; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:08:14 -0700 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM by Zool.AirTouch.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA20579; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:08:13 -0700 Received: from hacksaw.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA23812; Sun, 7 Jul 96 15:08:12 PDT From: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM (Mike Schneir) Message-Id: <9607072208.AA23812@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: Re: NRR: Help! Problems with a new IDE drive To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199607070301.UAA01896@shellx.best.com> from "SDream" at Jul 6, 96 08:01:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There was a time when I knew all this crap... Is your disk controller IDE? I think IDE can only handle drives up to 5xx megs (I thought it was 540, though). If that is the case, you may need a new EIDE controller card (cheap). EIDE can handle a 2gig drive; it's only been around for a couple of years, so if yours is older, it's probably IDE). Of course if your drive/controller card are SCSI than it's something else, maybe DOS? -mike > > This is completely non-rave-related -- I need some quick tech info. I just > bought a 2gig drive. My AMI BIOS sees it and did the low-level format and > the interleaving. DOS does not see the whole drive though. FDISK thinks > there's only 504 megs on it, and will only work with that much of the drive. > Can anyone give me a heads up on what's going on? > > S > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 15:42:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA13715; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:42:19 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA13710; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:42:16 -0700 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id PAA06647; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:42:13 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id PAA15680; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:42:08 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:42:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: Re: (NRR) Independence Day, the movie - review To: Alan Wong cc: Ben Chun , Oliver Raskin , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Alan Wong wrote: > > > just now saw it... did you catch the 2001: A Space Odessy reference in there? > > > Hmmm I didn't see it. What part of the movie was it in? > **** "Hello, Dave." **** _-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-_-=*=-_=* * \ | | \ | * * |\/ | _` | _` | _` | ` \ -_) |\/ | -_) _| _| | | _| | | * *_| _|\__,_|\__,_|\__,_|_|_|_|\___| _| _|\___|_| \__|\_,_|_| \_, | * * mhg@cats.ucsc.edu ___/ * * ____ __ ======================================== * \===\=========|__|=# == _===___===========__ =The Recording== * <========^==='======> _||_ ==| |=/ (_)__==__=__/ /==Media of the=== * _/_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_\_^__||||_ ==| |/ / / _ \/ // / /===Gods=========== * | TECHNICS 1200 | ==|___/_/_//_/\_, /_/=================== * | | =============/___/=======KEEP IT ALIVE!= * +---/||\----------------/||\---+ ======================================== * ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ * *_-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-_-=*=-_= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 16:02:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA15405; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:02:23 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA15399; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:02:20 -0700 Received: from [136.152.95.73] (blather.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.95.73]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA09833 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: ~FREEDOM~ Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Well, this party went off! I can understand ARYCK's opinion about this >rave. It was tooo damn dirty!! Dust and dirt everywhere you went.. My >black shoes and pants turned YELLOW!! Haha! yeah! that dirt was annoying, but there was just no way it was going to ruin my night... It was one of the best damn parties I've ever been to... music was top notch, location was great (I like it! Dust and all!), visuals and lighting incredible, and the people were just soooper (hi: Jan, Sarvi, Adam (thanks for providing the EntErtainmEnt), Terry, Brendan, Sherry, Austin, Todd, Ian, SteveO, Phelps (i forgot you friends' names already! =( , Leslie (get e-mail back soon!), Wayne, Tim, Raf, all the non-SFR folks I met 'n "hung out with" =) and anyone I may have forgotten: sorry!) I gotta say that I really had fun after the sun came up and everyone was content to just chill and talk and hang out. I need to head out to more of these outdoor affairs! -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | | Shake your hips and hope for the best. | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 18:18:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA26737; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:18:30 -0700 Received: from www.eline.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA26726; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:18:26 -0700 Received: from sfbayguardian.com ([206.15.95.160]) by www.eline.com (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA11528 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 96 18:26:13 -0800 From: laura_stewart@sfbayguardian.com (laura stewart) Organization: The San Francisco Bay Guardian Subject: freedom To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: <2393938.ensmtp@sfbayguardian.com> Priority: normal X-Mailer: ExpressNet/SMTP v1.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk As this is my first posting to this list, I will try not to be too critical. However, having just arrived in the Bay area after 5 years in England and the English party scene, I have to say I was most disappointed with Freedom. As I spent over an hour walking up and down the entrance area looking for someone, all I heard over and over again was groups of teenage boys making rude and obnoxious comments about several of the girls walking by. I have never encountered this at a party and it really isn't my idea of what partying is all about. I also thought the music was wholly uninspired, and that there was a general lack of PLUR. (Yes, I've read enough postings now to pick up on some of the local vocabulary.) I'm trying not to let this experience taint my feelings about the SF rave scene, as I was fully aware before I went that this was a commercial rave and would be very different from what I was used to. However, I decided to give it a shot as I haven't been involved in the SF scene long enough to know where the parties are that I might feel more at home at. If anyone has any reassurance or information on other types of parties (i.e., not so commercial and maybe a little older crowd), I would sincerely appreciate it and would love to hear from you. Looking forward to making some new friends . . . ---Laura :) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent via the Guardian Online. 415.437.3600 N81 or bbs.sfbayguardian.com, 3004 ================================================================================ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 18:31:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA27782; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:31:07 -0700 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA27772; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:31:04 -0700 From: Buddone@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA18780 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:31:41 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:31:41 -0400 Message-ID: <960707213141_571668717@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: (NRR) Independence Day, the movie - review Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OK now did you catch the Jurassic Park reference? Bud From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 18:56:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA00202; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:56:07 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA00196; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:56:05 -0700 Received: from [206.86.220.227] (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA10434 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:57:15 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:58:29 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bwret@best.com (Alex Ward) Subject: Re: freedom Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have really mixed emotions about last night. On the one hand, the party seemed to be missing some TLC. I found the light uninspired, and the location way to dusty. I liked some of the music being played, but to be honest, the quality of mixing was really subpar. If you're playing in front of that many people, you should really have your shit together. When I wanted to chill out, I found the chill-out tent WAY too loud, and tho I like drum'n bass, it was a little much hearing it so overdriven on a little sound system. I found some of the crowd kinda tough, but that's the great melting pot we have here. On the other hand, it was a beautiful night, as warm as you like with a slight breeze. The sunrise was nice, and the drive home was wicked. If anything I just enjoyed getting out and being around so many people. Overall, I just found the party had little character. There wasn't a BAD vibe- it just seemed like one big commercial party with some rough edges. sleep tight, kids -alex Alex Ward bwret@best.com May the Funk be with you...Always. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 19:14:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA01651; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:14:43 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA01645; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:14:41 -0700 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id TAA15558; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:15:52 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id TAA05064; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:15:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:15:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Harmony (old and new) To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi All! On the last Harmony beach party; Oops, I forgot to mention Hi to Adam from tiedie.com. A pleasure to meet you and hope to bump into you again! :) Big Thanks to Andrew K. for giving me a lift and helping me out with the hunger demon. ;) Also thanks to Joey for the grreat vibe and odwalla!!! I hope everyone can make it to the 3rd aniversary of Harmony in September. Michael Clay and I have tentative plans for a super phun ambient chill space. I am very sad to hear Greg say it will be the last Harmony party! =( Greg and the crew from Harmony have consistantly put on some of the best overall parties around (in terms of music, vibe, free water, free parties and just trying to make everything friendly). I really feel that anyone on SFraves who has been to one of Harmony's parties might want to think about e-mailing Greg or calling the info lines and letting him know how much we appreciate the tremendous amount of work and love Harmony has given to us. I know that Greg and Harmony have made my life a happier place and I love and thank the folks with Harmony with all my heart. Peace all Ran @ Dionysus Dreams -=*=- ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 19:55:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA04597; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:55:11 -0700 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA04588; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:55:08 -0700 Received: (from meclay@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id TAA10875; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:56:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:56:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael E. Clay" Reply-To: "Michael E. Clay" Subject: The Hills are alive.... la,la,la To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok so just imagine a small rave collective wants to throw a killer campout party so they go looking for a space... when a friend gives them directions to a good outdoor space. The collective follows these directions and come upon a WONDERFUL TO DIE FOR SPACE in the deep dark woods. When the friend arrives- " this isn't the space I gave directions to but it's SO MUCH BETTER!" Sometimes fortune smiles and so began this weekend's Gateway campout... Damn what a wonderful party... first go to the woods 30 miles off the main road... The space on forest service patrolled land but in an out of the way undeveloped camp ground... The rangers who came by were very cooperative as was the Gateway crew ... Gateway set up a latrine. There's a killer creek that everyone pitches tents by... going down the creek ... day time ravers slither over, around and through rocks, waterfalls etc down said creek... we're in heaven! Night comes. Wonderful 4 corner sound system for clear dance in the middle sound. Extra bass subs add ground vibrating bass - lookout mole people here comes an Earthquake. Tekki torches light various areas. Out comes the complete NOT obscured by city lights stars. DJ after DJ spins wonderful hard, driving techno trance all through the night. wonderful group of 150+? ravers dance into the night. Dave and gang unpop the final blow.... mind blowing fog machine, lasers projected on pine trees, lights projected in all directiions... Large sitting log surrounded campfire ( thanks for remembering the fire permit ) this was a "no holds barred" all out in the woods RAVE. At one point I looked at people dancing, loud pounding tunes, lasers shooting through the man made fog ( nature supplied none of her own ), lights and lasers making patterns on trees which surrounded us and I knew this was really special - even topped Tribal Future (which itself was wonderful! ) by more than just a little. Sometimes heaven DOES come to Earth.... This was everything an outdoor event should be. This was NOT "Freedom" - this was FREEDOM! Wonderful space, ins-outs into the deep dark woods, low dust factor, plenty of water to share, no young "testosterone" posturing, laser on trees, lights on trees, great sound, great DJ's like Ethan, Monty, Alex, Joe, Frank, John, Claire et al., reasonable cost factor, after daylight go hang out in and around a creek complete with jumping rock pool... red, white and blue = white skin becomes blue in water and red in sun but it feels so good anyway..... 150+ high vibe ravers.... You people really should reconsider the massives even if they are "word of mouth" famous... no, on second thought we don't really don't want heaven too over-crowded after all ;-) Mike IF it's not obvious THANK YOU Gateway ... you did this one to PLURRR-FECTION with only a dog fight incident to mar an otherwise georgous weekend. Obviously, dog fight NOT = gateway fault. Damn am I glad I made that drive ;-) meclay@netcom.com | Alone & ecstatic Mike Clay (415)572-8971 | A young rainbow learns to levitate. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 19:55:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA04690; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:55:58 -0700 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA04682; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:55:54 -0700 Received: from LOCALNAME (pool024.Max3.San-Francisco.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.100.24]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA27761 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960707193205.08d76cc2@earthlink.net> X-Sender: shannonr@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Shannon Subject: freedom Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi all! i have been reading all of your posts for so long, i thought i would finally post myself! i had a great time a freedom! maybe the reason was because we,(mark camp, my boyfriend courtney nielsen and some other friends) ended up arriving late.(around 3am) i was supposed to run into an old friend of mine around 2am, but obviously never made it on time. :( (i spent the whole evening scanning the crowd for her) anyways, when we arrived tony was just going on. we were hanging out behind the dj booth, just enjoying the lazer on the mountain and the music. i saw a lot of my friends, a great gathering of people. probably one of the greatest highlights was when the space shuttle flew over. it was fantastic, exactly on time @ 5:18am. it was so perfect, the igit(forgive the spelling, i have no clue on the true spelling but they were great) brothers were on and there is this pink spot just quickly passing over! (i got this great picture of it right over the dj booth!) my friends and i were all dancing, in front of the right front speakers, and it just increased the great vibe we all had going! one of my friends was looking forward to seeing the space shuttle, but totally missed it. (kind of like that gum commercial - i hope that my picture comes out) the next best part was at 7:20am when Spun started. he opened with this great song that had this line repeating, "feel my mother f***ing bass in your face" and another that said, "i've seen the future and it works." it was great, the crowd was really into it. Spun had a great set, a great way to bring in the sun. with the exception of the hot sun in the morning (i noticed a large group of us dancing in the shadow of the truck holding the right front speakers) and the little bugs swarming around (minor things compared to getting together with thousands of people and enjoying a great morning), i hope you all had as much fun as we did. i looked but did not see any sf raves laminates. maybe next time peace :) shannon :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 21:11:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA09406; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:11:14 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA09401; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:11:11 -0700 Received: from [206.86.220.227] (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA23805 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:12:23 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:13:37 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bwret@best.com (Alex Ward) Subject: freedom dj's Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok, slight retraction- I realize that I did on;y hear 3 DJ's while I was there. I heard Dan's set and the two jocks after him. I did not hear Jason, who I'm sure I would have enjoyed. Regardless, the sloppy mixing was during 'prime time' (2-6am). -peace- alex Alex Ward bwret@best.com May the Funk be with you...Always. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 21:30:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA10568; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:30:21 -0700 Received: from garlic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA10563; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:30:18 -0700 Received: by garlic.com (8.7.5/4.03) id VAA31312; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:31:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:31:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Newell To: Adam Luong cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ~FREEDOM~ In-Reply-To: <199607072130.OAA21227@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Adam Luong wrote: > Well, this party went off! I can understand ARYCK's opinion about this > rave. It was tooo damn dirty!! Dust and dirt everywhere you went.. My > black shoes and pants turned YELLOW!! Haha! > > This has to be one of the best parties I've been to! (Besides Harmony's > BP) =)~ This party was good because of the people I hung around the > whole night!! Brenden, Todd, Leslie, Terry, Ian, Phelps, -MIKE M-, > Umm... my mind is sorta spaced out right now so if I forgot anybody > just chew me out.. and some people I met but didn't get to hang > around.. Sherry, Sarah, Austin, oh man... too many people to name.. > > Music was great! VIBE was EXCELLENT! Temperature was PERFECT!!! Maye if > the ground was paved it would have been much better!! > > Anyways... time to go to work all spun out! yeeeeheeeee!!!! > > Live it, love it, rave it!!! > > Adam > R.Lunatic > fuck ya, this party kicked asss.....did anyone manage to make it into my tent? It was a blue one towards tha back, and anyone that came in, was treated to our own exotic fruit, lollypops, E4sale, and good vibes....I had hella fun, but I would have to agree that it was a bit dirty. Smiley From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 22:44:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA15367; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:44:35 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA15356; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:44:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199607080544.WAA15356@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: hey! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: lanima00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1038 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- just an apology to those who got tangled up between the current battle between me and tristan, it's a nasty one. i almost let someone drive me off this list this weekend, the tristan we all know and love, who gave me the biggest bashing i have ever gotten for my beliefs. i almost let him make me quit. then, after i went to mass this morning (yeah, that's where we sit around and condemn people or so that's thought) i realized just how much power that would give him, for he would have the control over whether i was on the list or not. once i thought about it that way, i realized just how ludicrous it was to let someone who disagrees with me and sends me personal messages accusing me of being close minded, bigoted, and not qualified to go to raves control that part of my existence. HOW STUPID OF ME! anyway, sorry people for the posts of mine taking up bandwidth that could be given to loving and healthy topics, like, say, music! i love you all, and sorry to those who find this type of post boring- matt l From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 23:01:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA16368; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:01:35 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA16360; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:01:32 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp037-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.37]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id XAA05504 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:02:45 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960708060431.0095be4c@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 23:04:31 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Polaris 99 Subject: Re: I didn't like freedom at all. . . Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I was trying to dance and every couple moves, I'd slip into a little >hole or one of the whatever many million people would walk into me or go in >my way. In doors was a little better with the same jungle music constantly yah. i didn't dance very much. way too dusty, and i didn't feel like twisting an ankle or anything. i just played with my glowsticks all night instead. it's amazing how oblivious people are sometimes. yes, those trails of light rushing through the air _do_ have objects attached to them, and if you walk in front, you _will_ get hit. however, lots of people came up to me and thanked me for putting on a pretty little light show. i think that was the best part of the night for me. i think when adam et all started everyone applauding when i was doing it was a bit more embarrasing than flattering, but oh well. i liked the music in the experimental tent, but it was just too hot for me to hang out there. it was even too hot outside for me for a while. ick. oh well, the weather was beautiful, regardless. saw a few shooting stars and the space shuttle.. very pretty. overall, the best thing was meeting new people. :) so a shout out to R.Lunatic, LowUFO, and the rest of their group, Wayne, Steveo, Phelps, and Sarvi. i also finally got to meet mike migurski! =) . sorry to anyone else i met and forgot. everyone make sure to get leslie to show you the secret spot in her red hat. ;) > To the right front speaker family::::: I went to the right front >speaker to see if I could meet any of you people but I had no clue what any sarvi said she wasn't at the right front speaker! imagine that! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 23:11:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA17197; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:11:31 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA17192; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:11:28 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp037-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.37]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id XAA05524 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:12:40 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960708061426.00963f48@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 23:14:26 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Polaris 99 Subject: laminates? banner! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >as much fun as we did. i looked but did not see any sf raves laminates. >maybe next time i find it next to impossible to find anyone via laminates. i think next time we need to set up a sfraves camp, with a big sfraves BANNER! ok. i guess that opens up the sfraves banner design contest. ;) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 23:11:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA17225; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:11:41 -0700 Received: from terra.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA17208; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:11:36 -0700 Received: from [205.134.228.63] (ppp063-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.63]) by terra.sirius.com (8.6.12/960421) with SMTP id XAA25524 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:12:50 -0700 X-Sender: sddpw@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:12:32 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: sddpw@sirius.com (Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works) Subject: jungle recommendations Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just wondering if folks out there would give up their favorite recommendations for jungle CDs. Continuously mixed would be the preferred format, but not necessary. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 23:32:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA18664; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:32:33 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA18658; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:32:30 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp037-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.37]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id XAA05564 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:33:43 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960708063529.0096cd54@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 23:35:29 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Polaris 99 Subject: Re: jungle recommendations Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Just wondering if folks out there would give up their favorite >recommendations for jungle CDs. Continuously mixed would be the preferred >format, but not necessary. hrm. here's what i have. i like all of them. :) this is jungle sky volume II - jungle sky records/liquid sky music [JS008] - slower stuff. very nice to listen to. 4 hero: parallel universe - selector/reinforced records [SEL 3] - 4 hero is the greatest! =) A history of hardcore part 1 (mixed by dj kenny ken) - sub base records [SB 86005-2] - kenny ken is sweet! older stuff, but very worth listening to the history of out universe. breakbeat and jungle ultramix by dj DB - ? (on tape) - some of the same stuff as a history of hardcore, but some excellent tunes. the versions of 4hero's Mr Kirk's Nightmare and Boogie Times Tribe's Dark Stranger are great. smile - (can't find the cd right now, but it's in a bright yellow with blue case) - not all breakbeat, but it does have 4hero's Mr Kirk's Nightmare 95 EQ on it. =) new york jungle ep - sm;)e communications (vinyl) - nice stuff. haven't had much of a chance to listen to it, as i don't have a record player. :( 4 hero - Mr Kirk's Nightmare (vinyl) - ok. i saw this the other day but was short the 5 bucks to buy it. if you see it, don't buy it!! it's MINE!!! =) (or buy it for me!) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 23:49:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA19788; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:49:03 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA19783; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:49:01 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp037-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.37]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id XAA05610 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:50:14 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960708065200.009430ac@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 23:52:00 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Click! 99 Subject: Postmaster@CompuServe.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk die die die you whore! *stabbing motion* aaaaaaaauuughhhh! i _hate_ bounced email!!! =( From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jul 7 23:53:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA20198; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:53:29 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA20099; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:53:23 -0700 Received: from enigma (enigma.vip.best.com [206.86.223.130]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA23217 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:54:37 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:54:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199607080654.XAA23217@dns2.noc.best.net> X-Sender: enigma@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "E. Nygma" Subject: Freedom of Vibe! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Need we say more? The vibe at Freedom was the best of any rave we've attended -- maybe ever. Early on in the evening there was a sense of a desire for unity, for cohesion, which was fulfilled as the night progressed into the morning. At sunrise still-eager ravers climbed the hills to watch a spectacular pink sky and beautiful women danced in the golden glow of morning sunlight. By the way, I wish to add that scribing this check-in is Willow Girl (I'll call myself), recent fiancee of the Awesome E. Nygma. We fell in love at a New Year's rave last January and have recently consummated our attachment thru the exchange of a ring and are Beyond Blissful. This event was, for us, a celebration of our six months together and an anticipation of many fine years to come. Back to you, Nygma... There were many highlights of this event. Awesome funky sets from Galen, Jon Williams and DJ Dan. Watching the space shuttle make re-entry over our heads. A man giving out roses to any woman he passed. A beautiful blonde woman named Sarah who radiated love with everyone on the hill awaiting the sunrise. Someone else (we called him Johnny Stickerseed) who offered cool stickers to all of us. Another man with a long didjeridoo sharing a calming vibration into our chests. The organic fruit cut and handed out. One minor caveat: the fool who decided to light off a big firecracker amidst the tents, just as we were considering leaving. I have come to the conclusion that bringing fireworks to events like this is right off. I -- er, we -- could go on for hours, but we have some more Bliss to create amongst ourselves. Many thanks to Martin (who I had the pleasure of thanking in person as we left) for such a well organized and safe event. G & J (a/k/a E. Nygma & Willow Girl) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 00:40:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA25084; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 00:40:27 -0700 Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA25077; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 00:40:23 -0700 Received: from Maxine.lewiston.com (ppp247.lewiston.com [204.227.174.247]) by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA00524; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 00:53:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 00:53:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199607080753.AAA00524@mail-gw.fsr.net> X-Sender: tuskluv@mail.lewiston.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Niels P. Mayer" From: Wowser Subject: A response to Niels about the **Warning!** Cc: madox@netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wowser writes: Hi Niels, this is Troy (aka. Wowser). You spent quite a few NASTY words responding to my post about community...but after reading your reply, and your replies to others, I thought perhaps it best if you read my original post again. I hope you will. PLEASE let's not debate, for that is nothing but a waste of time. I have tollerated your angry views. Whether or not you tollerate mine is your CHOICE. Let me respond to you just a bit, seeing as how you've written so much about my **warning** post, and then I hope we can put this subject to rest simply knowing the world is full of opinions. But let us not wrestle over rhetoric, especially that which is nothing but HYPE. In this case, the HYPE is yours. Read on... >> TEMPoNAUT wrote: (Let the man believe in God, let him not >> go to Come/Unity, but dont tell him to go fuck himself as you did.) > >Niels wrote: They're just words, jerky. I wasn't holding him hostage at >gunpoint. He can choose to read or not read, respond or not respond at his >own opinion. He used words too. Words that insinuated that we are "evil" >and need to be "saved" and that he in his infinite, psychotic wisdom is >able to see through all the "swirling confusion" and find the ultimate >source -- SATAN! I'll tell him and any other Christian that takes this >path to go fuck himself in new and unimaginable ways. He basically told >me I'm fucked, and I feel like I have a right to respond to his idiotic >insinuations. This is how I thank him for his insightful warnings >into the true nature of things. Wowser writes: Thanks for all the compliments!! Not! At least your blunt. But Niels, NEVER in my post did I mention anything being "saved", nor "Christianity", nor "religion" for that matter. Further I did not mean for you to be so outraged by the post, but I warned that some would. My post was for those who I thought might appreciate another's perspective...since it was given strictly out of concern (mostly for newbies). >Niels wrote: >If he wants to be a Christian in his heart and in his mind then I'll >happily let him be. I have plenty of respect for "Christians" that have >a faith, understand it, and FOLLOW IT WITHOUT HYPOCRICY AND WITHOUT >TRYING TO CONVERT OTHER PEOPLE. Jesus' supposed teachings, and those of >Rabbi Hillel and the Essenes was a GOOD message that got twisted into a >"swirling confusion" of lies by a bunch of greedy, hypocritical, >hateful, child-molesting, adulterous assholes that now call themselves >Christians. Wowser writes: Again, I never mentioned "Christianity" or "Christ". Your views of those who call themselves Christian in my opinion is not only shortsighted but downright childish. Yeah, there's a lot of problems with "religion", but that's nothing new. But I'm sure your crowd is picture perfect, thus reserving the right to judge others as you do. > >Neils wrote:I don't know about you, but I'm the kind of "liberal" that >believes that a good verbal ass-kicking is the best defense against stupid >unenlightened opinions. I don't preach love my neighbor -- I leave that bit >of hypocricy to the Christians who like to pretend "love" between sessions >of theft, lies, greed, gay-bashing, race-baiting, and taunting/denigrating >those that don't believe in their shared mass-psychosis. They preach love >like they put on their "Sunday gone-a-meetin' best" clothes before they go >to Church -- to give the impression of unity, conformity, and decency. >But when they get back to their own world, they're typically back to >their base human instincts of greed, deceit, and lust. And typically, >they're back at it with a vengeance due to the fact that their >instincts were repressed while they're putting on a public show of >"being a good christian". This is why I think most Christians suck the >big hairy donkey dick. Wowser writes: Your maturity overwhelms me! As does your respect for people in general (Yeah, this is sarcasm, just in case you didn't catch it). I don't preach love either. I practice it. Even though people such as yourself belittle me and ridicule me every step of the way. Had I not loved my ravin' bros and sis's, then I would have kept my mouth shut. Seeing as how you defend satanistic rituals, such as those found at "community" and some other gatherings, I can see why you don't preach love. You know nothing of it. > >> TEMPoNAUT wrote: (Its really funny how fucking liberals like you are >>nothing but HYPOCRITS! you talk about PLUR, and here you are telling him >>he's a bad person for believe in christianity.) Niels Wrote: >There you go calling me a liberal again. Are you some kind of >politician? I call him a "bad person" because he's trying to convert >people and tell them that their pagan rituals are evil/bad; that he's >seen the light and that we're so stupid and unenlightened as to have >not noticed the presence of SATAN in our midst! (If I ever see Satan, >I'll be happy to tell him to get the fuck out of my face and get back >to giving Jesus a rim-job with his long forked tongue.) Wowser writes: A simple gesture of concern is not a method of "conversion". If I, and others, have seen the "Light", then you would really sound like an idiot here. I don't appreciate you twisting my words. Clearly a re-reading of my original post is required, for I said that "community" went beyond simple paganistic ideals. And by the way, the parties I've attended with "community" were rituals designed at calling forth unclean and nasty little scum spirit things...so maybe you'll get your chance to talk to the ol' S-man, or his "whore". Or perhaps you know well of what I am talking about already. I will not be willing to engage you in a debate, nor defend my concerns for others, nor scrap with words over details. You don't seem to know or appreciate God. I do. And it is the coolest thing in my life, although I don't consider myself "religious". I can't help but want to share my joy and/or conern just a bit. But "convert"? My post was simply out of Love for others and I will continue to post in the future. We're still in the USA right? Anyways, I can't say let's part with no hard feelings. But I can say, let's try to have some type of respect for other people who think differently or see the world differently than you...OK? Maybe you don't think anyone has feelings but you. Me included. But they do, Niels. Let's practice the first ammendment. We're still in the USA, right? Regards, Troy (Wowser) PS. A many thanks goes out to TEMPoNAUT and many others who appreciated my concerned post about "community", regardless or not if they thought my approach a bit odd. And let me tell you Niels, and those of you who are bashing God and everything spiritual only to talk about the dark energy which sends your bodies into spasms or how cool it is to be a "darkie", there were MANY who related to what I said and who also appreciate the REAL vibe. We dislike the imitators. A big thanks to the 'fam' who supports free speech and knows well that a great goodness does indeed exist...by whatever name you call it. I have a few more replies and then I hope everyone will chill and put this subject to rest....at least for a while. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 01:25:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA27644; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:25:45 -0700 Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA27638; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:25:42 -0700 Received: from Maxine.lewiston.com (ppp240.lewiston.com [204.227.174.240]) by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA01142 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:39:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:39:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199607080839.BAA01142@mail-gw.fsr.net> X-Sender: tuskluv@mail.lewiston.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wowser Subject: !!!Thanks!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi sfravers! I just wanted to extend a heartfelt thanks to those of you who responded in either a mature or positive manner with regards to my recent **warning** post about "comeunity". It was amazing the amount of flaming this generated. And even more amazing is the amount of hatred out there. My o' my, but did I almost cry. My words really touched a nerve, which was not my intention. I thought long and hard about what to say in trying to warn my ravin' bros and sis's about what I consider to be a VERY serious danger. Originally I said my words would anger some...but I didn't realize who. The numerous nasty and childish replies really hurt, but I am not a stranger to childish hate. Thus I hope you won't be a willy-nilly when trying to express yourself from the heart (which is not the same as expressing yourself from the ass as so many did in response to my post). It is HIGH time (at least for me at) to express myself about the negatives which threaten the rightious vibes which can happen at rave-type gatherings. I posted another response here tonight, which sums up some things I wanted to say...so I hope you'll read it. I tried really hard to not be too angry, even though the crap-flame posts really hurt. Yuk! My words ever twisted by some 'sleepers' who thought they were being really cool. Hatred and a lack of respect for the 'fam' is NOT cool. Deception is NOT cool. Games are also NOT cool. But what is "cool" is respecting the views of others, at least for free speech. What is "cool" are those of you who might not have agreed with what I said, but supported my right to say it. And what is really, really "cool" are those of you who were aware of what I was warning others against(especially newbies)and your strength to take a stand for your convictions. God is cool! I hope you will shine that beautiful Light of yours and take a stand for FREEDOM. (I heard it was awesome!) In Love for Truth, Troy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 01:57:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA01472; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:57:27 -0700 Received: from ccnet4.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA01465; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:57:24 -0700 Received: from inanna.ccnet.com (h97-170.ccnet.com [192.215.97.170]) by ccnet4.ccnet.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA03795; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31E0CD8E.550D@ccnet.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 01:57:50 -0700 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THX1138 CC: SFRavers List Subject: Re: Gay Day References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk THX1138 wrote: > > Dear All; > > I feel a fear that I don't understand. It's weird, because as I look at > this feeling, fear being an emotion; question it, I draw a fustrated blank. > Feelings not being facts, I'm approached by a person I believe for all intents > and purposes wishes me no harm, and to the contray wants to make me feel good > because they like me. Yet, I am almost parazied, by a feeling that litertally > chokes all logical reason from me. Why? > > Logic would indicate that if companionship is the goal that being > available to both sexes would make that goal twice as easy to obtain. Or is the > goal reproduction. Reproduction being for all intents and purposes the act of > having sex to make a baby. > > I feel the goal for most people is companionship because reproduction as > defined above is the last and furthest thing on my mind when I meet someone I'm > attracted to. > > So why the fear? It's just so frustrating, and to add to that it seems > like neither community accepts bi-sexuals, or so I've been told. > > I'm personally straight and don't understand when I see something as > clearly logical as this, why these (feelings) stop me. > > Peace > THX-1138 > > --- On Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Troy Sheets > wrote: > > >> > >> I hope that all the straights who attended the events in the City were > >> welcomed, and not resented, feared, etc., just for being straight. Some of > >> us are not a threat to anyone. Part of the reason (a VERY small part) that > >> I didn't attend was that I felt my presence might not be wanted, or that I > >> might be confronted with a situation with which I'd be uncomfortable (I've > >> been approached before, and it frightened me). Does anyone understand what > >> I'm saying? Any thoughts? Please be kind :) > > > >As the Straights for Gays group made its way down Market it received > >enthusiastic cheers. Everybody had a great time in the city this weekend. > >Condoms (packaged) were everywhere!!! > > > >-troy > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Name: THX-1138 > E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com > Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance Nation Wide > Cell Contact: 510-599-2541 > ISDN Digital Contact: 510-595-8492 > Date: 7/2/96 > Time: 5:45:44 PM > --------------------------------------------------------- Hey, On Gay Day I was cruising through the booths of various interests, and walked up to the booth titled The Sperm Bank of California. I told the person attending that "I would like to buy some sperm." She was so serious, she didn't get the humor. But I did come away with some interesting promotional material and I may make an appointment with them when it comes time for my insemination.... D. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 07:57:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA04592; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:57:06 -0700 Received: from safety.worldcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA04587; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:57:03 -0700 Received: (from smtp@localhost) by safety.worldcom.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) id JAA13896 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:52:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from worldcom-37.worldcom.com(198.64.193.59) by safety.worldcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013074; Mon Jul 8 09:47:53 1996 Received: by worldcom-37.worldcom.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/3.3) id AA5916; Mon, 08 Jul 96 09:44:33 -0500 Message-Id: <9607081444.AA5916@worldcom-37.worldcom.com> Received: from worldcom with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id DAD03EF5A6E68DAB862563610050ED7E; Mon, 8 Jul 96 09:44:33 To: sfraves From: Issey Monk Date: 8 Jul 96 10:24:18 Subject: Re: Why go to burning man. Response to Tristan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow, for someone who is as intellectually and socially superior as the young Mr. Blaug, he seems to have a spelling problem. HI... it's 'DIAPERS' - if you going to insult someone you may as well get it right, even if it was a year ago. On Wed, Jul 3, 1996 10:17:14 PM at TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote: >NO >offence guy but do you still wear dypers? >Tristan. To: sandoz @ sfsu.edu @ Internet cc: sfraves @ hyperreal.com @ Internet (bcc: Issey Monk) From: moonpup @ hooked.net (Milton Cecil) @ Internet @ WORLDCOM Date: 07/04/96 07:22:21 PM CDT Subject: Re: Why go to burning man. Response to Tristan On Wed, Jul 3, 1996 10:17:14 PM at TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote: >Anyone who does not like burning man and is not going to go when they >could has totally no idea as to what raving is all about and should, to >put it bluntly, go back home to mother as soon as possible. At BUrning >man music and nature are one and that is what raving is all about. NO >offence guy but do you still wear dypers? >Tristan. > > First off... Tristan, you're a CUNT (I've been waiting to use that word for the right person). Congratulations... I have to look no further! It seems to me that you've not even listened to Larry or tried to understand him at all. Larry was kind enough to open up and share with us his feelings about his decision not to go to burning man and why he's decided to slow down in the Rave scene. There's nothing negative to say about that. He didn't have to tell us at all. And for that reason, what Larry chose to share with us as well as any other personal beliefs and opinions, should be respected. If you disagree with Larry's views and values, then that's YOUR fucking problem. His decision has NOTHING to do with you at all. And most definately does not deserve a IMMATURE, negative response like yours, Tristan. You just seem too occupied with your elitist "True Raver" attitude. Well, let me give you a clue, Tristan. You're no "True Raver" to me. So far your attidude contradicts just about everything I believe Raving is all about. It's not about cutting up people for sharing what they're feeling. It's about respecting people for thery're feelings and providing support and other positive or constuctive types of feedback. If you don't agree with a person's beliefs, and can't think of a decent way to let them know... then keep it up your ass. >NO offence guy but do you still wear dypers? Maybe you should be asking this of yourself. It seems to me your need something down there to hold all your BULLSHIT. --erik **IMPORTANT! READ DISCLAIMER** These words were NOT written by moonpup He's in London until late August ...and I'm ERIK. I'll be using his address until then Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 08:42:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA09180; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:42:02 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA09158; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:41:57 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id IAA24716; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:41:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:41:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: Alex Rosenberg cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: DJ DRC In-Reply-To: <1375473636-8596250@mail.bungie.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > So, here in Chicago, it seems that every other event has DRC from San > Francisco in the lineup. While I know I've never heard her spin in SF > (quite possibly because SF is much more sophisticated than the House > stuff they play here), I'm wondering if anybody's ever heard her play in > SF. We had her spin at Planet Rock last Dec. 8th. She was supposed to spin at a certain time, showed up late and only spun for 1/2 hour, and wanted to be paid in full. I like her a lot, she's got a lot of heart, but she also has a lot of attitude. As far as her style, it does fit in with Chicago a lot better than here too. There was a short time that DJ Dan rubbed off on her, but now she's back to that same 'ol "too hard for SF" style... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 09:11:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA11925; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:11:27 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA11917; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:11:24 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA28440 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:10:58 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960708161045.00cc5fec@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 09:10:45 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: RE: Community Warning Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: >Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 02:09:06 -0700 >X-Sender: tuskluv@mail.lewiston.com >To: "THX1138" >From: Wowser >Subject: RE: Community Warning Dear All; This is Troy's tolerated response to me, he's so full of crap. So much for turning the other cheek. Peace Brian >At 12:59 AM 7/3/96 PDT, you wrote: >Flaming is uncool! While you seem to think your an authority or something, >let me assure you that your not. How old are you? 23? You've obvious got >a lot of growing to do, and I can only hope you'll find the way to do it >with grace. A commodity your lacking severely. Vent if you must, but >please don't do it in the name of everyone else...deal? I didn't. Taking >responsibility for your views does not mean BASHING others with vengence. > >I replied on sfraves tonight and I'm done defending my right of free speech. >I have no intention of debating with you. I actually hope the best for you >despite your nasty posts. Good-luck on a very nearing journey. You'll need >it. In sinking or swimming, it's easy to sink and join the masses. But >swimming requires a bit of thought and a lot of patience. Oh yeah, and a >bunch of other stuff. Here's hoping you learn to swim! Really. > >Love, > >Troy > >PS. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it... > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 09:13:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA12188; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:13:45 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA12176; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:13:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA15931 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:12:11 -0700 Received: from compattic.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA10871 for SFRaves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:04:54 -0700 From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara) Reply-To: aguevara@compattic.com To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com Subject: Weekend... Date: 08 Jul 1996 16:53:18 GMT Message-Id: <708573.71195316@compattic.com> Organization: Computer Attic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I must say, twas such a fine holiday... Friday night I was hanging with my non-techno chums. Running around the city ending up at he Cornet theatre for the late showing of ID4. Having an early brekfast @ some hole-in-the-wall restraunt @ 430AM.. Saturday I was off buying a new speaker system 4 my home getup. Some decent sized mids and a sub cabinet. Spinning and trying to get that "just right" sound... Then to a CCC party round' 11:00 PM that lasted well into sunday morning (I left around 9:30 and the DJ was still spinning)... Wow, talk about spun. I lasted till about 12:30 and then slipped into a blissful semi-coma till 6am today... Hope you all had a great time as I did... "Dance with me..." -Adam ____________________________ Transmitted from Computer Attic SuperCenter: (415) 363-8100 Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500 ____________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 09:32:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA14308; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:32:27 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA14297; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:32:22 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id JAA25414; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:31:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Freedom Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm sorry if anyone missed it, but that was IMHO the best party so far of the year! Who could forget all the people, the music, the UFO :), etc. The music was definitely cool all night, and I noticed that there was a wooden booth built for the DJ, probably to built so the tables wouldn't get bumped. Still, there were people crowded around the booth, making it almost impossible for the DJ to see how the crowd as a whole was reacting to the music. While DJ Dan was spinning, there were two people with video cameras in his face, and he wasn't too happy about that. I probably don't have to tell anybody here, but c'mon ravers, respect those DJs! His set could've been even better. I think DJ Dan, Tony, Rob Vaughn, Josh, and Spun all showed up the Idjut Boys... they're definitely good musicians, but mediocre DJs... cheers to SF! About that "UFO"... a lot of people saw it... yeah, it could've been a plane, but do planes leave trails of sparkles? :) :) Yeah, I might have been a little high or something, but everyone around me saw it too, and some people were completely sober. I'm not really too spiritual, and I don't believe in too much paranormal stuff, but there was definitely a lot of energy at Freedom, and I felt it. Maybe all the energy we channeled acted as a beacon that got the aliens' attention... err... maybe not... some people say it was the space shuttle landing.. nevermind :) John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 09:34:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA14511; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:34:05 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA14505; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:34:03 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id JAA18884 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199607081634.JAA18884@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Nikita and Freedom. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:34:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Went to Nikita for the 2nd week in a row and had a little less fun than last week. When there is great music at Nikita, 1015 can be a fun place. Last week Terry Mullin spun and the place rocked. This friday the music was very clubby and not too interesting. 1015 Folsom was just 1015 Folsom. We spent most of our time upstairs groovin' to hip hop. I won't go back until there is another killer DJ coming into town. Despite being held in a a big dirt hole, Freedom was fun. Again, great music made this event. Tony, Dan and Josh are bomb dj's who are perfect for summer massive parties. Too bad the outdoor location was not more, um, inspirational? at sunrise. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 09:42:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA15271; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:42:43 -0700 Received: from dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA15265; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:42:40 -0700 Received: from localhost by dfw.dfw.net.dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08181; Mon, 8 Jul 96 11:41:18 CDT Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:41:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Aleph One To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Light Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thank you all Gateway folks. Light was awsome. Beautiful location with a clearing for dancing near the stream, an area that became the tent city, and the most delightful pool formed by the river, with waterfall and a high rock to jump from. Spent 2 or 3 hours in the cool water enjoying my self and meeting some wonderful people. I wish I could name them all by I'am horrible with names. But if you are one of them respond to this message so I can drill your name into my head. All in all one of the best weekends I've had. Hope all of you had such a wonderful 4th of July weekend. Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 09:53:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA16837; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:53:36 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA16829; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:53:33 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA118 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:45:53 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960708164541.00ccbcd8@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 09:45:41 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: AIRAVE US MOVE EVENT INFO..... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All; I have contacted the people at Airave, regarding their Crusie Ship US Move Events and will hopefully have the information in English shortly. I will post it publically and am definately going, I also have friends in Florida trying to get the info as well. Peace & Love Across Cyberspace Brian DarknEs^2 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 10:46:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA23970; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:46:44 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23963; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:46:40 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19764 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:46:40 -0700 Received: (kcroy@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA17754 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:46:39 -0700 From: kcroy Message-Id: <199607081746.KAA17754@shellx.best.com> Subject: mantra To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:46:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 130 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this is really a great way to spend a sunday night. sorry, brain too fogged from work this am for a decent recap/ take carekcroy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 10:48:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA24286; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:48:50 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA24259; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:48:43 -0700 Received: from well (cubensis@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA20748 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:48:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bagby Subject: re: Freedom To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960708164541.00ccbcd8@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have to throw my two cents in with those who said Freedom was a blast! It was a helluva fun night and morning! We got there around midnight, and set up our tent on the track. Obviously, the dust sucked, but it added to the adventure of it all. Plus, what better way to prepare for Burning Man, than to find the dust deposit pockets beforehand! ;) The music was nice, if not inspirational. We grooved in front of the right front speaker several times, but I never saw any laminates! We really must find a better way for sfravers to meet beforehand! I was with some old skoolers and had some fine conversation, but it would have been great to meet some more people from this list! Maybe next time... Sunrise was beautiful, and when we were able to climb the ridge we saw the wonderful faultline and pastures beyonf as the sun broke the horizon. Thanks to Martin for a solid vibe and a beautiful crowd! love john From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 10:53:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA24776; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:53:14 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA24765; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:53:10 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA07835 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:51:07 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA20236 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:53:09 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA16035 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:53:06 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:53:41 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: NRR: Stella Luna 7/14/96 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For your Bastille Day (French Independence Day) enjoyment: Stella Luna plays the Paul Masson Winery the evening of 7/14, the last of a four-band line-up for a gal's birthday party. There may be flyers printed, and I'll add details as I get 'em. Every time they play, it's new and different. The music is psychotic/hypnotic/ambient/psychedelic, beautiful and satisfying. Please consider this for your weekend entertainment, if it sounds appealing. Enjoy, - E P.S.: I'm not getting paid for this. I do it for love :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 10:57:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA25220; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:57:24 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25204; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:57:20 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.7) id KAA13280; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607081757.KAA13280@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: The Campout Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Best party I've ever been to? Yea, I could say that.....but geeez, I've said that so many times that it really doesn't mean much anymore I guess. The space was perfect, incredible, breathtaking, marvelous, and uh...really uh good! Plenty of grass, a beautiful stream running right through the camp, and right behind the dj's. A huge fire pit surrounded by big logs for sitting. The raver tent city that formed down stream a ways. The shrine someone set up accross the stream that I used for my daily meditation (thanks). The "garden of eden" feel of downstream at the waterfall...water flowing down steps of rock...various pools of various depts for dipping. A 15-20 ft. high rock for jumping into the big pool. A beauitful meadow of little flowers on one side rising to the trees..... And many, many complete strangers, nude and happily soaking up all of the bliss. Children playing in the shallow pools. Dogs running and spashing about. I don't believe I've ever seen so many beautiful people in one place. I was quite taken by the experience. True family. I was lucky enough to get to dj at this party, and I was even luckier to be asked to open up on the incredible sound system Friday night. I guess the original first dj hadn't shown up yet (I was scheduled to play Saturday morning) so Clair asked me. Dave, Justin? and I started playing didg into a mic while a circle of meditative peoples gathered around the dance floor. Dave did a little chanting as well as I, then I proceeded to slowly mix in the ambience to begin the festivities. I played ambience and a bit of slow IDM, and had a blast playing on the biggest system I've ever played on. I didn't know half my records had that much bass in them :) Great techno all night. I must commend the dj that spun after me, (sorry I can't remember your name). He spun techno all from cd's...and may I say....he did it WELL. The laser fucking rocked. The smoke from the fire was lined up directly with the path of the laser, keeping a flow of smoke going even when they wern't using the fog machine. Really nice touch. I was quite impressed. Saturday evening, after spending time in the garden of eden mentioned above, a wonderful thing happened. Clair was spinning some ambient soundscapes that just went so well with the landscape. Then Dave, Justin? and I once again proceeded to play didg, and once again a large circle formed (standing this time) around the dance floor. (they took a little prompting, but all was good after that) After playing for a few minutes, we all joined in the circle and stood for a few minutes just feeling the energy. I was thinking we should do a spirial dance and within a few seconds, Dave had started one a few people down from me. We proceeded in turn, spiraling toward the center, laughing and smiling...all of this to sound of Clair's ambience which helped everything to flow that much more smoothly. Once we reached the center there were woops and clapping and bliss all around. Then we put our hands on the ground to feel the Mother Earth, and once again, Dave took the lead and started toning. Soon we all were doing it. There were Ohhhhhhmmmmmmm's and Eeeeeeeeeeeee's, and Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh's all over the place. I just love doing that. Then we stood and soon a large group hug formed, which was definately the biggest hug I've ever experienced. Clair provided ambience for a while longer, into the darkness, then the thumping again went off into the night and late morning. Ethan premiered a great new techno track he created to the delight of our ears, then proceeded to go off as he usually does. I ended up passing out, but I know Minor spun greatly (some day I'll get to see you spin man, I promise), then John Carol did a crazy marathon set of around four hours (I heard someone mention). When I woke up, John was still spinning. I went over to the dance floor and to my amazement there were about 15-20 people still dancing thier ass off. I just watched in amazement as Mr. Carol put them on and off, and even though I was watch him do it, there were still times when I couldn't tell which parts were the new song, and which parts were the old. He's really good. I think he played almost every record in his box as well. Eventually he stopped and passed out next to the decks. We all spent the day at the swimming hole in bliss all over again. Then it was time to load all the equipment up the hill. Special thanks to Dave Able and Ethan Miller for loading every speaker in the place on to the 4X4 and then onto the big truck....and to the guy with the blond dreads who owned the truck and spent the entire day packing it with all of the sound equipment. I had fun hanging out with everyone all day. I got to meet lots of sfraves, and please forgive me if I forget some or most of your names. I am working to be able to remember the names of people I meet. Let's see, Ben(not sure if he's an sfraver), Dave Bayer, Tony Rotundo(sp), Jess Fogler, Erik (the guy at Moonpups house) (Jess and Erik, thanks for the wonderful conversation about piercings, ambient music and music making gear). And was it Nancy? that I met in the raver tent city who somehow knew who I was....I wish I would have gotten to talk more with you, but my habitual distractions let me off on some adventure and I never got to see you again. There are several others that slip my mind at this point, but I hope I can see you all again sometime. (There is one guy I met, I can see you in my mind. You are blond and I met you first at RAW, but again sorry I have misplaced your name. Had a great time getting to know the Gateway crew, and getting to connect with Ethan on a deeper level. We shall make music together really soon. I met so many wonderful people...so many I can see in my minds eye as I write this(the two beautiful women working the "door" when I arrived, who I talked with so much and really tried hard to remember your names), but even walking away with as many names as I did is an accomplishment for me. I have certainly been changed by my experience, and I *will* remember this party. I love you all. Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 10:57:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA25230; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:57:26 -0700 Received: from cyberE.creative.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25203; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:57:19 -0700 Received: from [204.71.217.81] (a2port17.creative.net [204.71.217.81]) by cyberE.creative.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00496; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607081756.KAA00496@cyberE.creative.net> X-Sender: bigz@creative.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Alex Rosenberg , From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) Subject: Re: DJ DRC Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yea, She rocks, definately one of my favorite DJs. She's got good tapes too! At 10:27 AM 7/5/96 -0500, Alex Rosenberg wrote: >So, here in Chicago, it seems that every other event has DRC from San >Francisco in the lineup. While I know I've never heard her spin in SF >(quite possibly because SF is much more sophisticated than the House >stuff they play here), I'm wondering if anybody's ever heard her play in >SF. > >------------------------------------------------------ >| Alexander M. Rosenberg | >| Bungie Software | >| Nobody cares what I say. | Jon Zimmerman (415)664-6645 bigz@bigz.com http://www.bigz.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 11:02:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26176; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:02:49 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA26168; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:02:46 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0udIFL-0002MmC; Mon, 8 Jul 96 08:29 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:29:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: Wowser cc: "Niels P. Mayer" , madox@netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: A response to Niels about the **Warning!** In-Reply-To: <199607080753.AAA00524@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You say that there were Satanic "rituals" being practised. Would you mind telling those of us who have never seen anything of the sort exactly what this looks like? Were they building altars? Any power symbols of evil around? Being a humanist who hasn't looked deeply into the darker sides of spirituality, i admit i wouldn't know a Satanist ritual if it kicked me in the ass, but i would like to be able to avoid em if i see em. Can you eludicate? thanx k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 11:18:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28291; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:18:21 -0700 Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA28267; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:18:16 -0700 Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA15319; Mon, 8 Jul 96 11:14:35 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 96 11:14:35 -0700 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9607081814.AA15319@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Freedom... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I really enjoyed myself at Freedom. I hear the people who had problems with it, but I would like to say that it's important to realize that heaven and hell are two different perspectives of the same place. If you focus on the negative young boys at the gate or the dirt on your shoes things may seem a bit bad, whereas if you focus on a group of thousands coming together to dance the night away and sharing their myriad of personalities and differences with each other, then things can seem a little inspiring. Either way is fine, just know you have the freedom to choose the perspective that best suits you. I thought the setup was a bit nicer than the last few years, with the laser going over the crowd and the sweeping colored lights. The sound system was great... the music was up and down. I liked Josh and John Williams a lot... but then DJ Dan lost it a bit for me... he got a bit too chaotic that a strength was lost. Tony's set was good but vanished into thin air and the Injut boys were a bit mellow. But then in the morning I was having a great time dancing with the remaining people in the morning light. That's where my night was made, in that peace and energy I felt in the morning. I've said this before but I'll say it again... It doesn't matter if it's a big or small party, a commercial or underground party, an old timer or fresh people party... All that matters is you and your attitude right here, right now. You can find the ultimate vibe and joy anywhere, as long as you're willing to look where it really all comes from... deep within your own heart. Sometimes it's easier than others, but it's always the same thing that makes the real difference... you. I'm glad people found heaven at the gateway campout, and I'm glad people found heaven at Freedom. I'm also glad some people found heaven staying at home getting a good nights rest. All are just as important as each other, and we need to remember that. -john. http://www.he.net/~swoosh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 11:22:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28849; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:22:55 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA28835; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:22:52 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA4194; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:22:27 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960708182216.00cc4b90@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 11:22:16 -0700 To: Karen Hardie , sfraves@hyperreal.com, Wowser From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: A response to Niels about the **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Karen, & that anally regilionous person; Please make it a private response, thanks. Sincerely; Brian DarknEs^2 At 08:29 AM 7/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >You say that there were Satanic "rituals" being practised. Would you mind >telling those of us who have never seen anything of the sort exactly what >this looks like? Were they building altars? Any power symbols of evil >around? Being a humanist who hasn't looked deeply into the darker sides >of spirituality, i admit i wouldn't know a Satanist ritual if it kicked me >in the ass, but i would like to be able to avoid em if i see em. Can you >eludicate? > >thanx >k > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 11:40:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA00726; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:40:00 -0700 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA00718; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:39:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA25681; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:39:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199607081839.LAA25681@netcom14.netcom.com> To: Wowser Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: A response to Niels about the **Warning!** In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Jul 96 00:53:47 PDT." <199607080753.AAA00524@mail-gw.fsr.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 96 11:39:50 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > PLEASE let's not debate, for that is nothing but a waste of time. If you're not willing to debate your point of view, then you shouldn't have wasted our time posting your very debatable points of view in a public forum. The existence of Satan, God, and the Tooth Fairy have not been proven beyond a doubt, and therefore have been, and always will be a subject of debate. > Let me respond to you just a bit, > seeing as how you've written so much about my **warning** post, and then I > hope we can put this subject to rest simply knowing the world is full of > opinions. But let us not wrestle over rhetoric, especially that which is > nothing but HYPE. In this case, the HYPE is yours. Read on... I guess you're the only one allowed to post hype right? > Further I did not mean for > you to be so outraged by the post, but I warned that some would. So you expected it to outrage, even though you didn't "mean it"? What kind of twisted thinking are you employing? Or did you figure that Christianity is a common enough cultural background that people would tolerate your blathering? What of the Hindus, Jews, Pagans, Wiccans, Atheists, and other religions (even Satanists) on this list -- we're just supposed to take it because we're "minorities"?? Go reread your own post. Your "warning" was a condemnation. You were being negative about something you don't understand or believe in. > My post > was for those who I thought might appreciate another's perspective...since > it was given strictly out of concern (mostly for newbies). I appreciated your perspective, and I replied in kind. You can couch your blatherings as "protecting newbies" or "concern" or whatever, but it was a very thinly veiled religious proseltyzing in my eyes (and clearly in the eyes of a number of other people as well). > Had I not loved my ravin' bros and > sis's, then I would have kept my mouth shut. Seeing as how you defend > satanistic rituals, such as those found at "community" and some other > gatherings, I can see why you don't preach love. You know nothing of it. I believe you are putting forward a fallacious argument in positing that satan exists and gives a flying fuck about being present at Come/Unity (he's too busy telling your church elders how to steal money from the church coffers, too busy figuring out new ways for pastors to fuck underage boys and girls and get away with it under the guise of "love"). You are using abstract words like "love" "freedom of speech" "concern" to defend a message that didn't really have any place on this list. Post away, go ahead and make my day. You shouldn't be surprised if people respond to you as they did, and being pathetic as you are, you feign "injury" -- you fluffy little helpless sheep you! > And by the way, the parties I've attended with > "community" were rituals designed at calling forth unclean and nasty little > scum spirit things... That's not true. Those strippers and hoes have been known to shower occasionally. > I will not be willing to engage you in a debate, nor defend my > concerns for others, nor scrap with words over details. You don't seem to > know or appreciate God. I do. And it is the coolest thing in my life, So you won't be able to debate me until I "know or appreciate god"? Isn't that conveeeeenient! You can only preach to the converted, in other words. I am truly happy for you that you've found god and are happy. However, you should realize that this is a *PERSONAL* thing and that your god is not my god, and when you condescendingly make public claims that we are the worse for not being under His grace, you are insulting us. > I can't help but want to share my joy and/or conern just a bit. Neither can I. > But "convert"? My post was simply out of Love for others and I will > continue to post in the future. Then I guess I'll continue to respond to your posts out of "love for others" too because I've "seen the light" and know in my heart that you Christians (especially the ones so insecure in their faith that they must warn/convert others against "sin") are all a bunch of liars, charlatans, con-artists, and thieves! If you were secure in your faith, you wouldn't find the need to warn the unbelievers about the perils of evil. You could walk through the valley of the shadows of the night of the living dead and come out undaunted. Or do your "soul savings" make you eligible to collect special coupons granting you seating near the apostles that you can cash in at the pearly gates? > We're still in the USA right? Yeah we are. Which is why I can expect christians like yourself to make school prayer mandatory even though we are supposed to have a separated church and state. We're in the USA where Christians have organized resistance against distributing condoms and birth control information in schools (why would christianity want to limit it's flock of poor, disaffected, impoverished, diseased, uneducated dimwits by which it fills it's coffers, when you can create a bumper crop of newborns ripe for the pickin?)... this is why I can expect "good christians" to be killing abortion clinic workers -- taking lives to protect the "pure" souls of the unborn. We're still in the USA with "in god we trust" on every dollar bill , and with school children forced to repeat "one nation under god" every morning before they begin their studies. We're still in the USA where Christianity was used to justify slavery... > Anyways, I can't say let's part with no hard > feelings. But I can say, let's try to have some type of respect for other > people who think differently or see the world differently than you...OK? THat's right. Lets have some respect. I WAS DEEPLY INSULTED BY YOUR POST. *I* *HAD* *TO* *RESPOND*. If you want nice cordial discussions on this list, then don't bring up off-topic postings on religion that fundamentally cannot be shared by all readers on this list. Perhaps you can't understand that because you think your sick and perverted ethos is just "love". But I don't. Here's the deal. If there's some Xtian postings on this list that I find insulting, I will reply, sometimes rudely, always blasphemingly. If you want to keep your pretty little eyes away from the evil filth I promise to spew in response, you'd best not post about it on this list. There's plenty of lists where you can get together with other cretins and blather on about "love". This isn't a freedom of speech, it's just common courtesy (netiquette). > Let's practice the first ammendment. We're still in the USA, right? Freedom of speech doesn't mean that I have to tolerate your speech. I let you speak. I even spent the time reading your spew. If you believe in freedom of speech, you must let me respond to your lies. That's really what freedom of speech is about -- it's a double edged sword and it can cut like a knife! If you're not willing to debate about your postings, then you're really not employing freedom of speech, which implies discourse -- just proseltyzing and propaganda. I still believe that is the fundamental purpose behind your warning and I won't stand for it. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 12:08:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA04634; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:08:07 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA04629; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:08:03 -0700 Received: from [206.79.2.36] ([206.79.2.36]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA30033 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:09:58 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Freedom... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >morning I was having a great time dancing with the >remaining people in the morning light. That's where my >night was made, in that peace and energy I felt in the morning. amen... morning was the greatest. is there a name for the kind of mellow/inspiring/house/trance they were playing in the morning? It's seems like such good dawn music; I've always just called it "morning techno." -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."| | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 12:09:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA04782; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:09:33 -0700 Received: from crl.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA04765; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:09:27 -0700 Received: by crl.crl.com id AA08930 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for sfraves@hyperreal.com); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:56:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel J. MacMillan" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Light - Big Fun Deluxe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This was a really great party. I couldn't imagine a better location, with the grass and rocks, river and trees; it was sublime. Props to the guy who watered down the dancefloor on Saturday afternoon. It stayed as dust-free as could be expected, and was flat, soft and spacious. The music was right-on too. I usually prefer faster Goa stuff, but the techno Ethan, Minor Minor and John spun was very trippy, fluid, and perfect for an outdoor party. One group of our friends arrived around 6pm on Saturday, only to find all the signs torn down. Lost for hours, and ready to turn back, they hooked up with a couple of guys in a 4x4 who had been camping in the area, and somehow knew where where the party was. They gave our friends a ride in, and actually stayed and had fun for an hour or so. Some good karma working there, I'd say. Hi to Jess, Andrea, Rikki, Renauld, and everyone who's name I've already forgotten. Thanks to that crazy, smiling guy who danced his nutty dance back and forth between the rear stacks all night (btw; I'll have what he's having; does anyone know what it was?), you kept us entertained when we were too tired to dance! And big thanks to Gateway for all the hard work that went into organizing everything. Dan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 12:25:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA06552; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:25:42 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA06545; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:25:39 -0700 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id MAA18829; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:25:36 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id MAA24910; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:25:35 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: A response to Niels about the **Warning!** To: THX1138 cc: Karen Hardie , sfraves@hyperreal.com, Wowser In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960708182216.00cc4b90@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, THX1138 wrote: > Dear Karen, & that anally regilionous person; > > Please make it a private response, thanks. > > Sincerely; > Brian DarknEs^2 At least he can spell. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 12:40:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA08073; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:40:33 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA08062; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:40:29 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA12902 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:38:22 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA29911; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:40:24 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA07636; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:40:23 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:40:58 -0700 To: branka@netcom.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Don't worry, Branka Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You'll never see a flame from me, or even so much as a spark ;) I don't like the bitter, nasty messages either, but I love every person on Earth, and that includes people who are closed-minded, people who hate or ridicule me for my beliefs (even if they haven't met me), people who think I can't be cool because of my age, clothing, or hair, etc. All I want to do is give my love and support to everyone; it's up to them whether or not to accept it. Peace, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 12:42:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA08268; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:42:06 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA08257; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:42:03 -0700 Received: from [206.86.220.227] (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA03428 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:42:02 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:43:18 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bwret@best.com (Alex Ward) Subject: Re: Freedom... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I'm glad people found heaven at the gateway campout, and >I'm glad people found heaven at Freedom. I'm also glad >some people found heaven staying at home getting a good >nights rest. All are just as important as each other, >and we need to remember that. > >-john. Those are wise words. I don't think I heard many people say they were dissapointed they went to Freedom. I had some problems with it, but was incredibly psyched to be out and around tons of nice people. That's not to say that constructive criticism can't be made about these events- and that one can't have a good time and yet be dissapointed in the same stroke. I believe this is because though these parties are great communal events (for some of us), at the end of it we are individuals with our own special and unique agendas. I hope it stays that way. -peace- alex Alex Ward bwret@best.com May the Funk be with you...Always. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 12:54:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA09531; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:54:06 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA09524; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:54:03 -0700 Received: (from scarab@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA29321; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:53:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE To: Dalshire@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Negativity In-Reply-To: <960705204548_349957446@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dalshire, This list ebbs and flows. On the average it is *MUCH* more positive than negative, one just needs to wait out the conflict. Since we live in a world of yin and yang, positivity circulates right along with negativity. However, both serve equal purposes, and each person must decide for themselves how they are going to learn from the respective experiences. One needs turmoil in one's life in order to put it in perspective. Sometimes the most real "living" comes from understanding conflict. It is my opinion that we are the most alive when we interact with others, and in this interaction their is always conflict. Sometimes people need a forum to vent and express their opinions. Problems arise when all that is expressed is negativity, but I'd feel the same if all that was expressed was positivity. So, just give this space a chance, and you might be pleasantly surprised. finer shades of grey, KaySEE On Fri, 5 Jul 1996 Dalshire@aol.com wrote: > Wow, I am really put on the floor by what I have read on this list. I have > known about the sfrave list for about a year, when I started getting into > raves and such, but I never really had the time to be able to read all the > mail. This summer I figured I would get a chance to read the mail and find > out more info on raves around Northern California, since I have more time to > go. Maybe it is not my place to say what I am going to say, because I have > just put my name in on the list, but it stuns me to see how much negative > mail is here. I have always thought of people who attend raves to be those > few people in society who could accept the thoughts of others. I did not > think that they would be telling others that they should go home if they do > not attend a certain rave, or complaining about imposing beliefs upon others. > What has happened? > > My best friend, who introduced me to raves (she posted as "Annie", maybe you > all remember her) is the most loving person. Through her I have met some of > the best people at raves and on my own as well, but this bunch of letter does > not seem to be what is idea behind raves. Do we not attend raves because we > love the music that is spun? Are we not there because we love the music, not > because we are there to say we went? It seems to me that where one person > goes to do what that person wants to do is up to them. It does not make them > any kind of person. other than someone who knows what they want to do. I do > not understand what is going on here. Please someone tell me that is > different at other times and that this is just a time when there is a lot of > negative energy circulating. > > Dalshire > > ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam**** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 13:08:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11373; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:08:40 -0700 Received: from elaine16.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11363; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:08:34 -0700 Received: (from sjslay@localhost) by elaine16.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09779 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Jane Slaymaker Message-Id: <199607082008.NAA09779@elaine16.Stanford.EDU> Subject: navy sweatshirt To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:08:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I picked up someone's thick navy sweatshirt at the AMAZING campout this weekend from a chill area just off the dance "floor". It has a little embroidery on it too. Let me know if it's yours! Sarah 415-497-4407 Thanks to everyone for such a wonderful few days! -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 13:12:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11786; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:12:00 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11774; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:11:56 -0700 Received: from [206.86.220.227] (bwret.vip.best.com [206.86.220.227]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA06270; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:11:53 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:13:10 -0700 To: sddpw@sirius.com (Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works) From: bwret@best.com (Alex Ward) Subject: Re: jungle recommendations Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Just wondering if folks out there would give up their favorite >recommendations for jungle CDs. Continuously mixed would be the preferred >format, but not necessary. It's actually pretty tough to find good Jungle mix CD's. Though I mainly buy vinyl, I went on a quest about a month ago to buy a good mix CD to see what I was up against (jungle mix styles). Here's what I came up with: Legit: Renegade Dub Selection II: Continuously mixed. Great stuff from '94 when Dark Step was first starting to hit. Features a lot of the top producers that went overlooked by the first wave of major label signings. I got it at tower for domestic price... Logical Progression: A nearly definative history of Drum'n Bass. From LTJ Bukem's Demons (I CAN'T belive this is 91!!!) to modern classics like "One and Only". Though a little on the fluffy side, still a great comp.Seperate trax Artcore: Number two just came out, and looks just excellent. A great mix of dark and intelligent stuff by some of the UK's most respected producers:T-Power, Optical, Doc Scott and more. seperate trax Pure Rollers #1 I listened to this last week. Solid. Though it doesn't have lots of peaks, it just keeps going and going. Really good mood music. continuously mixed. -------------------------------------------------> There's a lot of crap jungle out at the moment. In MY OWN OPINION (!!!) these are some things to watch out for: -Moonshine Comps- there's some good stuff on there, especially on Counterforce, but mostly this is way way mainstream stuff from the UK...Oh, and the 140+ compilaitons are mostly happy hardcore these days. BEWARE! -Jungle Sky- Much respect to these east coast boys for really pushing the scene, but their comps just aren't up to par. The most common criticism I hear is that the UK stuff they mix is played out, and domestic stuff is weak overall. *shrug* It IS the UK's music- hell, this is their hip-hop...it's gonna take a little more time... -Random UK comps with scantilly clad women on the cover and noone you've ever heard of before on the track listing...listen before you buy:) -peace- alex Alex Ward bwret@best.com May the Funk be with you...Always. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 13:12:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11900; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:12:39 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11892; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:12:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfogler@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.7.5/CDR4.26) with SMTP id NAA120245 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:12:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: jess To: sfraves Subject: Off to Europe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk After a fabulously beautiful weekend at the Gateway campout, I'm leaving for Europe tomorrow for a few weeks. I'll be in London first, visiting friends and I'm planning on hitting as many raves and clubs as I can get my poor wrecked body to go to. I'm especially looking forward to hearing some wicked drum 'n bass and some harder, faster techno...:) Then I'm going to France to visit my Dad. I'll be back in August. I'm unsubscribing from the list until my return and when I get back I'll have to decide whether or not to re-subscribe. Much as I love y'all, I did just about fail physiology this last quarter because I spent to much time on the list. I'd hate to flunk out of med school (or worse, kill a patient one day) because I was too busy reading reviews of the last Sunset :) So either I'll see you on the list in August or I'll see you in person at the next event we're at together. It's been wonderful getting to know you all and being a part of the community. I'll look forward to some real-life hugs and exchanges of good vibes next month. If I get a hold of a computer in Europe I may post a little hello/review of the scene. Be good to each other while I'm gone... Peace, Ranting and Raving ** jess ** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 13:16:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA12271; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:16:04 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA12266; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:16:01 -0700 Received: from (shawna-@wck-ca7-07.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.39]) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA08927 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:15:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:15:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199607082015.NAA08927@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: (belated) Promise! :) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! Here's my Promise review, albeit a rather late one. First off, let me say that it was sooo nice to be able to go to a regular ol' indoor SF-based rave, I do love the outdoors, but not when there are nothing but outdoor parties due to space problems for the indoors. Thanks! :) The location was pretty cool, it almost looked like someone's house. I think it was a yoga place or something, judging from the random yoga flyers I saw everywhere! In certain ways, it reminded me of the Acme (the good points of the Acme) because of the multi-level/multi-room set up, which I find kinda fun. I do like having one big room with everybody in it, there's always a nice unification of the group with that, but I also enjoy wandering around from room to room discovering new stuff with every turn when there are multiple rooms & levels, it's kinda like wandering thru some surreal fun-house! :) Always something new to discover each time you turn the corner. And this space had a *big* bonus that the Acme lacks big-time, that being an outdoor area with chairs in which to cool off. Very nice! One thing I would have changed would be to add more cushions & soft stuff to sit on in the main chill area upstairs, that hardwood floor with 2-3 pillows just didn't cut it for me. Gimme Beanbag chairs, & mattresses like Madness had! :) This was a particularly cool party because Paul brought along two newbie friends who were trying out the whole Experience for the first time! This was really nice to watch & participate in their first journeys. Paul, they were really cool, you have to bring them out to play again! The music was pretty damned cool too, found myself jumping all around to whoever it was playing that juicy hard goa after Ethan's set, really dug on that! Does anybody know who that was? I thought I heard someone say Surge, if so, I'm gonna hafta keep a lookout for him again. Altho really, this party ended up not being so much with the music, more time was spent with friends & the newbies, which was cool too. Met some new sfravers too, like Austin, Jim Cyr, & Carol Saldana (with the groovy psychedellic tank-dress!) and ran into Brian Darkness whom I haven't seen in ages (thanks again B!). Well I think that about covers it. Hope to see you all at Beautiful People next weekend, muchly lookin forward to it! :) Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 13:16:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA12344; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:16:49 -0700 Received: from idiom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA12338; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:16:46 -0700 Received: from [206.14.123.56] (lmnt.dial.idiom.com [206.14.123.56]) by idiom.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA23205 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lmnt@c2.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:31:37 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lmnt@immersivearts.org (ed colmar) Subject: Movement, Monday July 8 1996 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dj's: Taylor (LA), Graeme, Kimo Location: Bahia Cabana 1600 Market street, Cross st = Franklin $5.00 cover 18+ with ID 10:00 PM - 2:00 AM P.S. I am not the promoter _______ ___________________________________ | CDJ LMNT | | Aural Pilot | http://www.immersivearts.org/lmnt/ _______| immersiveArts |___________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 13:31:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA14194; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:31:28 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA14181; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:31:24 -0700 Received: from [206.79.2.36] ([206.79.2.36]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA16921 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:33:23 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: DCD Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk saw an announcement a few days ago that Dead Can Dance are playing in Berkeley on August 9th... I will _definitely_ try to head out for this one! who else? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."| | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 13:36:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA14911; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:36:56 -0700 Received: from alhazen.CS.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA14902; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:36:52 -0700 Received: (from davidp@localhost) by alhazen.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA02028; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:36:32 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: David Parks cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: DCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, michal migurski wrote: > saw an announcement a few days ago that Dead Can Dance are playing in > Berkeley on August 9th... I will _definitely_ try to head out for this one! > who else? Damn str8! The best part bout this is that it is my understanding that this will be held at the Greek Theatre! Could probably stick your head out of the window and attend the concert if the tickets cost too much :-) - David who is trying to phrase his messages in simple enough words so that everyone can understand ;-) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 13:45:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA15779; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:45:37 -0700 Received: from docws001.shl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA15772; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:45:33 -0700 Received: from cocms1.calwdc.shl.com (cocms1.calwdc.shl.com [159.249.55.68]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18082 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 15:29:27 -0500 Received: by cocms1.calwdc.shl.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BB6CDB.E20CADE0@cocms1.calwdc.shl.com>; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:43:52 -0600 Message-ID: From: "FADLING Chris (MSMail)" To: "'sfraves'" Subject: FW: raver snobs Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 15:47:00 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 Encoding: 44 TEXT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have to second this one. Everyone has their own interests, their own pace. Anyone who thinks that what they do and know is better than anyone else is just wrong. I started raving years ago and thought I was cool as fuck because later everyone was doing it and I was first..etc..etc. Now, it's not the greatest interest of mine and I am not up on the latest happenings as others are, but does that make them cooler than I? Does it matter? To each their own and praise diversity. //Chris ---------- From: MIKE BOLGER To: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: raver snobs Date: Thursday, July 04, 1996 3:54PM dude, I remember reading the *exact* same elitist bullshit last year. Something along the lines of only the cool kids were at Burning Man and everyone who went to Basics was a poser. someone can check me on this, but I even think it was a Tristan who posted it as well. Fuck that. Just because you have the means and drive to make it does *not* make you a better person or a better human being. Not everybody has the same health or economic resourses that you may. instead of making condesending remarks, I'm thankful that I've got all my limbs intact, a good back, some cool friends, and a bit of cash for my trip. There are enough assholes in this world, you really don't need to add to their numbers. On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote: > Anyone who does not like burning man and is not going to go when they > could has totally no idea as to what raving is all about and should, to > put it bluntly, go back home to mother as soon as possible. At BUrning > man music and nature are one and that is what raving is all about. NO > offence guy but do you still wear dypers? > Tristan. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 13:47:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA16009; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:47:53 -0700 Received: from alhazen.CS.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA15986; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:47:48 -0700 Received: (from davidp@localhost) by alhazen.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA02039; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:47:27 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:47:25 -0700 (PDT) From: David Parks To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Introduction in order :-) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hmm... that last message makes no sense without an introduction... :-) Ive only been on the list for a few days tho Ive been here in Berkeley enjoying the sunny west coast for a month now. Im originally from Pittsburgh... a city with a well-deserved reputation as an up-and-coming rave scene (well, actually, its had that reputation for a while :-). Anyway, I will be starting grad school here at good ol' UC-Berkeley in the fall and am here getting a jump on things. That last message about Dead Can Dance got me so hyped cause I currently live in the Foothill Residence Hall and can hear all of the concerts at the (outdoor) Greek Theatre. Yes! Anyway, Ive been meaning to post here and stop lurking so here goes... My first SF-raves experience was not good I hate to say. I went to some party... the last Saturday in June... Uhh... I forget the name. Anyway, it was on the ROM. The crowd was a decent size (it was at a location around 21st and Mission) but the attitude was *GREATLY* dissappointing for a locale w/ such a great reputation. The only people who spoke to me were asking me if I was buying or dropping... Im totally fine w/ people getting wasted but please dont bug ME about it! In four years at Pgh parties Ive never had that happen! Anyway, the people *I* spoke to (only a couple) were quite discouragingly standoffish. I *really* think I found a bad party judging from the heavy PLUR of this list. So to stop this rant Im looking for anybody whode be willing to show me the ropes in picking out good parties and getting familiar with DJs, etc. Id especially like to hear from any UCB students cause they are nearby! - David PLUR up ya scene! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 13:53:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA16705; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:53:49 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA16696; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:53:45 -0700 Received: from [206.79.2.36] ([206.79.2.36]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA01318; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:55:42 -0700 To: David Parks From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: DCD Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, michal migurski wrote: > >> saw an announcement a few days ago that Dead Can Dance are playing in >> Berkeley on August 9th... I will _definitely_ try to head out for this one! >> who else? > >Damn str8! The best part bout this is that it is my understanding that >this will be held at the Greek Theatre! Could probably stick your head >out of the window and attend the concert if the tickets cost too much :-) you could just climb the hill behind it, and check it out... How about a bunch of SFR's (DCD SFR's of course) get together and stake out a nice hill spot for the concert? that'd be nice... or I could just pay the ticket price. =P -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (408) 264-6604 | | | |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."| | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 13:59:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA17563; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:59:13 -0700 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA17552; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:59:09 -0700 Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id NAA14614; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:58:41 -0700 Received: from zacson61.EBay.Sun.COM by Ebay.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA04704; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:58:38 -0700 Received: by zacson61.EBay.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18900; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:00:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:00:20 -0700 From: Nicole.Glover@Ebay.Sun.COM (Nikki Glover) Message-Id: <9607082100.AA18900@zacson61.EBay.Sun.COM> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: House Recommendations Cc: Nicole.Glover@Ebay.Sun.COM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I wanted to know if you guys had any good recommendations on a good house cd. I want to buy one but I don't want to waste my money. thanx :0}\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ nikki From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 14:09:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA18937; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:09:15 -0700 Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA18886; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:09:10 -0700 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA16901 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:10:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:10:11 -0400 Message-ID: <960708171007_352488616@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: I'm Baaaackkkk!!!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk New Orleans was a blast from what i remember:) See you all at the picnic!:) Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 14:21:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA20696; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:21:30 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA20690; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:21:27 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA04991; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:21:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: michal migurski cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: DCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oh! I've been waiting for them to come back to Berkeley! They are definately one of my favorite bands:). Michal, please post info. about how to get tickets, where, how much? Thank you! Reagan On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, michal migurski wrote: > saw an announcement a few days ago that Dead Can Dance are playing in > Berkeley on August 9th... I will _definitely_ try to head out for this one! > who else? > > -m. > > > 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 > | -flyers, graphics and other diversions- | > | for that whole body thirst situation | > | | > | (- Portfolio! -) | > | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | > | | > | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | > | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | > | | > | Michal Migurski | > | (408) 264-6604 | > | | > |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."| > | | > 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 14:25:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA21139; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:25:33 -0700 Received: from engr100.scudc.scu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA21126; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:25:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199607082125.OAA21126@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: by engr100.scudc.scu.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA077080949; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:22:29 -0700 From: Thomas Schwarz Subject: Re: DCD To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "michal migurski" at Jul 8, 96 01:55:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 806 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > >On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, michal migurski wrote: > > > >> saw an announcement a few days ago that Dead Can Dance are playing in > >> Berkeley on August 9th... I will _definitely_ try to head out for this one! > >> who else? > > > >Damn str8! The best part bout this is that it is my understanding that > >this will be held at the Greek Theatre! Could probably stick your head > >out of the window and attend the concert if the tickets cost too much :-) > > you could just climb the hill behind it, and check it out... How about a > bunch of SFR's (DCD SFR's of course) get together and stake out a nice hill > spot for the concert? that'd be nice... or I could just pay the ticket > price. =P > Yeah, I wanna go too! Let me know if there's gonna be a sfr's gathering or something like that. Thomas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 14:35:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA22479; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:35:35 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA22473; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:35:32 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.sanfrancisco01-max1.pop.internex.net ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA11011; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:35:09 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960708213434.0070be44@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 14:34:34 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, Randy C Cone From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: A response to Niels about the **Warning!** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear You; I agree I can't spell, and to make it worst I even forget to use my reader equipped spell checker. So much for the English language, but areas I do however shine in are Calculus, Physics, Quantum Mechanics, Differential Equations, Multi-Dimensional Vector Calculus, Thermodynamics, Licensed Massage Therapist, Master Electrician(unlicensed), Certified Electronic Technician, Electrical Engineer, Computers, The Net, Psychology, Certified Crisis Counselor, Certified Body Centered Awareness Therapist, ...etc. In addition and as an Electrical Engineer I have designed systems and parts for the following Military aircraft; A-6 Intruder, A-10 Warthog, AH-64 Apache Attach Helicopter, F-4 Phantom, F-15 Strike Eagle, F-16 Falcon, F-111 Ardvark, Discovery Space Shuttle, Tomahawk Cruise Missile, Maverick Missile, and numerous air sea rescue helicopters as well. Also, helped design the following hi-speed computer mass transits vehicles(trains), New Cities Metro-North * Long Island Railroad's FL9-AC Dual Mode Locomotive, New Jersey Transits Electric Silver Liners and ALP-44 Electric Locomotive, Baltimore Light Rail Vehicle, Maryland DoT's Coach Car's, Amtrak's Northeast Corridors AEM-7 Electric Locomotive, and LA Metro. Sometimes skills like spelling have to suffer, sorry. Nice mature remark there Randy, your name has just been added to my redirect to the trash can list. You have the pleasure of joining people like: Wowser, & Captain Crunch. Congratulations. >At 12:25 PM 7/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >>On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, THX1138 wrote: >> >>> Dear Karen, & that anally regilionous person; >>> >>> Please make it a private response, thanks. >>> >>> Sincerely; >>> Brian DarknEs^2 >> >> >>At least he can spell. PS And it's at least they can spell. Fuck You To From Across Cyberspace Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 14:42:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA23273; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:42:33 -0700 Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA23248; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:42:28 -0700 Received: from Maxine.lewiston.com (ppp227.lewiston.com [204.227.174.227]) by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA27489 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:54:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:54:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199607082154.OAA27489@mail-gw.fsr.net> X-Sender: tuskluv@mail.lewiston.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Who Knew? Subject: FREEDOM 96! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Let Freedom RAVE! Wow, it was great hearing the fam's reports on this year's gathering. I missed it, but did some cool stuff up North. I went last year, or so, and it was GREAT then. Glad to hear it was still cool. Let Freedom Rave is one of those special times of the year when we get renewed, or at least it seems like that to me. Shine on! Troy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 14:43:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA23435; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:43:48 -0700 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA23422; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:43:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (mayer@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA04651; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:43:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199607082143.OAA04651@netcom9.netcom.com> To: lmnt@immersivearts.org (ed colmar) Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: Movement, Monday July 8 1996 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Jul 96 13:31:37 -0800." Date: Mon, 08 Jul 96 14:43:44 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Dj's: Taylor (LA), Graeme, Kimo Is this the Taylor from "Exist Dance"? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 14:48:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA23952; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:48:15 -0700 Received: from mail.domain.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA23944; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:48:11 -0700 Received: from [192.215.97.144] by mail.domain.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:48:00 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:47:59 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Wayne Correia Subject: Re: DCD Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Solar, Nikki, Marcy and I are going. (Hopefully!) I saw them at Freedom and gave her $$$ -- she was to be leaving the party Sunday at 8 or 9am to drive back to civilization to buy our tix! ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia wayne@club.net 900 Tennessee Street TEL: +1.415.826.6000 www.club.net San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 www.domain.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jul 8 14:50:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA24255; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:50:37 -0700 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA24241; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:50:32 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19717 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:50:33 -0700 Received: (kcroy@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA20120 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:46:13 -0700 From: kcroy Message-Id: <199607082146.OAA20120@shellx.best.com> Subject: heh. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:46:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1166 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [from conversation overheard while waiting for my apple fritter at lunch] 1: I went to a rave this weekend. There were 4000 people there, and not one fight 2: Were they that drunk? or on PCP or something? 1: I dunno, they weren't drinking. maybe noone knew how to fight. There were some people kinda slapping each other, though...but no one get hurt