From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 00:04:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA24234; Wed, 1 May 1996 00:04:22 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA24225; Wed, 1 May 1996 00:04:16 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id AAA27970; Wed, 1 May 1996 00:04:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605010704.AAA27970@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: dj's with no cities...Last try To: blkadder@value.net Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ravedata@linux.kirbynet.lafayette.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "blkadder@value.net" at Apr 30, 96 07:37:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Rave Info Compiler wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 30 Apr 1996 blkadder@value.net wrote: > > > > > Out of curiosity, where is all the compiled info available? > > > > > > Black Adder > > > > > The ravedata information will be available about August on CD Rom and/or > > the web (to make it available for ravers both on the net and not!) > > Love- > > Nicole Sorry, I apologize too. Didn't understand the scope of your project. -troy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 00:33:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA25770; Wed, 1 May 1996 00:33:04 -0700 Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA25765; Wed, 1 May 1996 00:33:01 -0700 Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA07002; Wed, 1 May 96 00:29:22 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 96 00:29:22 -0700 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9605010729.AA07002@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Wish: new weekly starting tonight Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I thought I'd pass on the info for a new wednesday night weekly some of my friends are starting. W I S H - wednesdays at the Bahia 1600 Market St., San Francisco 18 and over welcome (415) 436-0663 Headliner DJs: Tonight, May 1: DORAN May 8: DUTCH May 15: HENRIK MAY 22: GROVER (Las Vegas) Sound by JK Sound, Lighting by Eyetribe From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 02:03:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA02050; Wed, 1 May 1996 02:03:42 -0700 Received: from netcom18.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA02045; Wed, 1 May 1996 02:03:37 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora (jsl@localhost.netcom.com [127.0.0.1]) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id CAA07804; Wed, 1 May 1996 02:03:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 02:03:30 -0700 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Randy C Cone From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: (NRR) re: Traci Lords Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > !!!RIGHT ON NANCY!!! > > You GO girl! Damn that was good! I loved reading your post on porn and >your response to what seems to be a common " I'll bury my head in the >sand response when I hear something I don't like. " reply from John. =) > > > Just a couple of thoughts -- I did a research paper on pornography. >Unfortunately it was not as in depth as I would have liked it to be. One >thing I did learn, however, was that the word 'pornagraphy' originally meant >stories told by prostitutes in order to incite men to lust (and >supposedly encourage them to buy their services). We should keep in mind >that the only surviving records of these events were supposed to have >been written by men (who were absolutely unbiased ;) ). Eventually porn >became synonymus with violence and domination of women (by men). I >believe this occured first in Europe and eventually moved to >America via monograms and eventually photographs, during the Victorian >era. If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I can dig out my old paper and >more accurately remember the contents and refer to sources. > > >Ran @ Dionysus Dreams > (peace out) > / > -=*=-/ > ~ Thank you. Your validation of my facts would be most intruiging. I can only wonder, who's zoomin' who. bcnu, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 07:02:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA27952; Wed, 1 May 1996 07:02:19 -0700 Received: from linux.kirbynet.lafayette.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA27940; Wed, 1 May 1996 07:02:16 -0700 Received: (from ravedata@localhost) by linux.kirbynet.lafayette.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA30138; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:00:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Rave Info Compiler To: ne raves , sf raves Subject: Rave data reasoning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone- Over the past few days ravedata has been receiving alot of slack and I just wanted to explain a few things to everyone although the problems were explained and resolved (thanks to those who did apologize!) Our project is aimed to bring the rave community closer together. We are not trying to make a profit but rather dedicating hundreds of hours of our time to the scene we believe in...We really do appreciate the help that everyone does give us. The rave info will be available on both the web and on CD-Rom making this information availbale for ravers on the net and not. Luv- Nicole and Matt "Rave Info Compilers" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 07:51:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA03675; Wed, 1 May 1996 07:51:05 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA03670; Wed, 1 May 1996 07:51:03 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA00849; Wed, 1 May 1996 07:50:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 07:50:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: shakti cc: frisco groovers , Fred Heutte , manoj@ahau.com Subject: Re: Beltane In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, you won't find it on the map;). It was a party yesterday that was being held 1 and 1/2 hours from the city. A really nice was passing out the flyers for it at Sunset. Did anyone go to this? How was it? -Reagan On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, shakti wrote: > Hi all, > > Because I think I've been takingnthings too seriously and in the spirit of > lightening up I now invite you all to laugh really hard at/with me. > > Abunch of my friends are having a small gathering in Washington this > weekend and I hear something about Beltane. So, I'm looking on the map > for Beltane, WA. > > WILL SOMEONE PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME?? > > thank you, > > shakti > > i have a feeling it has something to do with spring or may... > > geoff, i was gonna email you personally but i lost your email addy and i > was in the mood for a public flogging > > http://www.ahau.com/~shakti > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 08:01:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA04774; Wed, 1 May 1996 08:01:57 -0700 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA04756; Wed, 1 May 1996 08:01:52 -0700 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12085; Wed, 1 May 1996 08:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA03998; Wed, 1 May 1996 08:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:01:50 -0700 (PDT) From: shakti X-Sender: shakti@julie.teleport.com To: Reagan Reid cc: shakti , frisco groovers Subject: Re: Beltane In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk actually, what i was talking about, it's this weekend in Oceanview Washington. I got the whole scoop and a reality check :) happy beltane! love, shakti :) On Wed, 1 May 1996, Reagan Reid wrote: > > Well, you won't find it on the map;). It was a party yesterday > that was being held 1 and 1/2 hours from the city. A really nice was > passing out the flyers for it at Sunset. Did anyone go to this? How was it? > -Reagan > > > > > > > On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, shakti wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Because I think I've been takingnthings too seriously and in the spirit of > > lightening up I now invite you all to laugh really hard at/with me. > > > > Abunch of my friends are having a small gathering in Washington this > > weekend and I hear something about Beltane. So, I'm looking on the map > > for Beltane, WA. > > > > WILL SOMEONE PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME?? > > > > thank you, > > > > shakti > > > > i have a feeling it has something to do with spring or may... > > > > geoff, i was gonna email you personally but i lost your email addy and i > > was in the mood for a public flogging > > > > http://www.ahau.com/~shakti > > > > > http://www.ahau.com/~shakti From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 09:26:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA16141; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:26:57 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA16134; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:26:52 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id JAA07518; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605011626.JAA07518@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Reminder: RAW Tonight. To: cc@cyborganic.net Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just a reminder to everyone that Robert Anton Wilson is speaking tonight at the Porter College Cafeteria on the UC Santa Cruz Campus, from 8:00pm to 9:30pm. Cost is 8 Dollars, which is a heck of a deal... He is speaking in SF later this week for 29 dollars! Robert Anton Wilson is a noted futurist, philosopher and Conspiracy Theory Guru. "Changing the world by changing the way we think about it" -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 10:00:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA19301; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:00:05 -0700 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18445; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:50:27 -0700 Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA18537; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:50:24 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199605011650.JAA18537@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Lighten Up Review To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:50:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1258 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Went to Lighten Up, Preston's party @ 111 Minna on Tuesdays. (Man, there is plenty goin' on during Tuesdays, boy howdy...). Anyway I do love that space, and the sound was really good. Sound there in the past was either too loud, or the room seemed to "live" (lotsa reflecting sound off of empty bare walls). I dunno how the dog does it, but he always manages to have some of the best sound around. The room was just right, the sound was crisp, and clear. DJ's for the evening were Preston and Loren. the dog can really play some records, and I was impressed at how far he's come in such a short time. Nice housey stuff, got people moving. Really a smooth style. Nice one!!! As for Loren, he always impresses me with the variety of music he plays. I remeber when it was just "deep house" for Loren, and that is all he would play. Now he seems much more vaired, going from hard trance, to a soulful techno, then into deep house. Quite nice. It was good to get out, and do some dancing. Dunno if I'm gonna make Wicked, but will probably go and catch a groove. Haven't heard the boyz (as they say), in quite a while. Might be a good time to catch some tunes, and maybe do a crackerjack mini-weekend. Peace out & catch a groove, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 10:00:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA19339; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:00:11 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA19229; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:59:19 -0700 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id JAA23118; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:59:11 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id JAA04005; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:59:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:59:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: (NRR) re: Traci Lords To: "John S. Lee" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 1 May 1996, John S. Lee wrote: > > !!!RIGHT ON NANCY!!! > > > > You GO girl! Damn that was good! I loved reading your post on porn and > >your response to what seems to be a common " I'll bury my head in the > >sand response when I hear something I don't like. " reply from John. =) > > > > > > Just a couple of thoughts -- I did a research paper on pornography. > >Unfortunately it was not as in depth as I would have liked it to be. One > >thing I did learn, however, was that the word 'pornagraphy' originally meant > >stories told by prostitutes in order to incite men to lust (and > >supposedly encourage them to buy their services). We should keep in mind > >that the only surviving records of these events were supposed to have > >been written by men (who were absolutely unbiased ;) ). Eventually porn > >became synonymus with violence and domination of women (by men). I > >believe this occured first in Europe and eventually moved to > >America via monograms and eventually photographs, during the Victorian > >era. If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I can dig out my old paper and > >more accurately remember the contents and refer to sources. > > > > > >Ran @ Dionysus Dreams > > (peace out) > > / > > -=*=-/ > > ~ > > > Thank you. Your validation of my facts would be most intruiging. > > I can only wonder, who's zoomin' who. > > bcnu, > John > > > They ain't your facts buddy-boy. They ain't even facts. Just some recorded ideas that may be facts. Ran (flame on!) / -=*=-/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 10:06:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA20344; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:06:14 -0700 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA20336; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:06:08 -0700 Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA21698; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:06:06 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199605011706.KAA21698@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Disco Boy review in XLR8R. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:06:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2412 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't know who this is ( I think I have a vague idea ), but thier shit was funny as all! thoroughly amused at the old-time promoters, shit was spot on. Yeah, behind the dex, that's where some of the real action is. You can almost smell the sense of purpose, a preisthood almost. reminds me of a conversation I had with Tony Grant (Synergy) @ Lighten Up. He referred to himself as a retired raver. I knew where he was coming from! We were both yapping about how we have put in our time and are ready for our retirement benefits. Recounting all the money spent going out, we surmised that we would probably have a pretty hefty pension by now. I think there should be some reward to those who have put in "the time". I would really like to see: - A membership card, that entitles you to certain benefits, like going to almost any party, gratis. Why? Well look, you've supported the "scene" for 5 years, and you deserve some respect. Hell, you've paid the dues, now it's time to get some back. Of course the card would not entitle you to free drinks. Everyone pays for drinks. But by flashing your "Raver Retirement Plan" card, you'll have the comfort of having instant respect, props and all that when you walk in the door. People will say "There's a person who been at this at leasty 5 years!".d You'll be the one to know. - Free drugs. Now c'mon. You've spent hours making sure you and your friends got hooked up, time after time. You have added to the wealth of hundreds if not thousands or people. You probably even helped some pay their rent during a time of need. By flashing youyr card, all you need to is hold out your hand for a few party favors. Get that lovin' feelin' all over again, just like you used to 5 years ago. Gratis, of course. - As part of the bonus plan, you get the luxury of, you guessed it, your own spot behind the dex, with the rest of the retirees. Get a groove on *behind* the dex. It is less crowded, and you will be part of a much more selective crew. After all,m you've done your time on the crowded sweaty dance floor. When you flash your card, your spot will be reserved so that you don't miss any of the action, where the action really is, behind the dex. Your card grants you instant recognition as one fo the few, one of the proud, one of the old. Yeah! I think this is an idea whose time as come. Peace out, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 10:07:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA20513; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:07:57 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA20502; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:07:52 -0700 Received: from (sequoia1@sac-ca6-03.ix.netcom.com [199.35.220.195]) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09553 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:06:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:06:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199605011706.KAA09553@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Berkeley e-mail question: indirectly RR To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello peoples, I met this cool girl named Carla at sunset and she told me her e-mail. The problem is I can't remember how the last part goes. Something@uclink4.berkeley.edu - would that be correct for someone at berkeley? Thanks and sorry for the nonrave post but I need to get a hold of her. love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 10:11:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA21092; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:11:42 -0700 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA21077; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:11:38 -0700 Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA22653; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:11:35 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199605011711.KAA22653@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: (NRR) re: Traci Lords To: randream@cats.ucsc.edu (Randy C Cone) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Randy C Cone" at May 1, 96 09:59:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2240 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > On Wed, 1 May 1996, John S. Lee wrote: > > > > !!!RIGHT ON NANCY!!! > > > > > > You GO girl! Damn that was good! I loved reading your post on porn and > > >your response to what seems to be a common " I'll bury my head in the > > >sand response when I hear something I don't like. " reply from John. =) > > > > > > > > > Just a couple of thoughts -- I did a research paper on pornography. > > >Unfortunately it was not as in depth as I would have liked it to be. One > > >thing I did learn, however, was that the word 'pornagraphy' originally meant > > >stories told by prostitutes in order to incite men to lust (and > > >supposedly encourage them to buy their services). We should keep in mind > > >that the only surviving records of these events were supposed to have > > >been written by men (who were absolutely unbiased ;) ). Eventually porn > > >became synonymus with violence and domination of women (by men). I > > >believe this occured first in Europe and eventually moved to > > >America via monograms and eventually photographs, during the Victorian > > >era. If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I can dig out my old paper and > > >more accurately remember the contents and refer to sources. > > > > > > > > >Ran @ Dionysus Dreams > > > (peace out) > > > / > > > -=*=-/ > > > ~ > > > > > > Thank you. Your validation of my facts would be most intruiging. > > > > I can only wonder, who's zoomin' who. > > > > bcnu, > > John > > > > > > > > > They ain't your facts buddy-boy. They ain't even facts. Just some > recorded ideas that may be facts. > > Ran > (flame on!) > / > -=*=-/ > ~ > Huh? And who is buddy-boy? Who are you? Why do you even want to start? It is very interesting the types who are attracted to the list these days. Whatever, zealots or not, I plan on staying. Geez, there was a time when trolling was an art form. Now it's just pornography to me. Late, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 10:34:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA23847; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:34:22 -0700 Received: from elaine14.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23829; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:34:19 -0700 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine14.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00614; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:33:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: Reagan Reid cc: shakti , frisco groovers Subject: Re: Beltane In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Isn't Beltane a pagan holiday of fertility? (long before it was a rave, of course) --jon On Wed, 1 May 1996, Reagan Reid wrote: > > Well, you won't find it on the map;). It was a party yesterday > that was being held 1 and 1/2 hours from the city. A really nice was > passing out the flyers for it at Sunset. Did anyone go to this? How was it? > -Reagan > > > > > > > On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, shakti wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Because I think I've been takingnthings too seriously and in the spirit of > > lightening up I now invite you all to laugh really hard at/with me. > > > > Abunch of my friends are having a small gathering in Washington this > > weekend and I hear something about Beltane. So, I'm looking on the map > > for Beltane, WA. > > > > WILL SOMEONE PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME?? > > > > thank you, > > > > shakti > > > > i have a feeling it has something to do with spring or may... > > > > geoff, i was gonna email you personally but i lost your email addy and i > > was in the mood for a public flogging > > > > http://www.ahau.com/~shakti > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 11:32:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA29518; Wed, 1 May 1996 11:32:41 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA29500; Wed, 1 May 1996 11:32:36 -0700 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id LAA16723; Wed, 1 May 1996 11:32:24 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id LAA15112; Wed, 1 May 1996 11:32:22 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 11:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: (NRR) re: Traci Lords To: "John S. Lee" cc: sfraves In-Reply-To: <199605011711.KAA22653@netcom20.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 1 May 1996, John S. Lee wrote: > > > > On Wed, 1 May 1996, John S. Lee wrote: > > > > > > !!!RIGHT ON NANCY!!! > > > > > > > > You GO girl! Damn that was good! I loved reading your post on porn and > > > >your response to what seems to be a common " I'll bury my head in the > > > >sand response when I hear something I don't like. " reply from John. =) > > > > > > > > > > Just a couple of thoughts -- I did a research paper on pornography. >> > >Unfortunately it was not as in deep or penetrating =) as I would have >>>>> liked it to be. One thing I did learn, however, was that the word >>>>>'pornagraphy' originally meant >> > >stories told by prostitutes in order to incite men to lust (and > > >supposedly encourage them to buy their services). We should keep in mind > >> >that the only surviving records of these events were supposed to have > > >been written by men (who were absolutely unbiased ;) ). Eventually porn >> > >became synonymus with violence and domination of women (by men). I > > >believe this occured first in Europe and eventually moved to > >> >America via monograms and eventually photographs, during the Victorian > > >>era. If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I can dig out my old paper and > > >more accurately remember the contents and refer to sources. > > > > > > > > > > > >Ran @ Dionysus Dreams > > > > (peace out) > > > > / > > > > -=*=-/ > > > > ~ > > > > > > > > > Thank you. Your validation of my facts would be most intruiging. > > > > > > I can only wonder, who's zoomin' who. > > > > > > bcnu, > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They ain't your facts buddy-boy. They ain't even facts. Just some > > recorded ideas that may be facts. > > > > Ran > > (flame on!) > > / > > -=*=-/ > > ~ > > > Huh? > > And who is buddy-boy? Read the word 'your' in the sentance and have a cup of coffee. > > Who are you? > My name is plainly stated at the top. Have another cup. > Why do you even want to start? > I'm responding to your posts so, logically, you started this. Not to mention this is a forum of free exchange of ideas. Besides, you are giving me some good motivation to hash out a few skills that need some polishing. > It is very interesting the types who are attracted to the list these > days. Whatever, zealots or not, I plan on staying. The interesting types are why I came to sfraves. This is some radically, cutting edge exchange of ideas going on here which would be very difficult to achieve any where else. And do please stay. Not only are you entertaining but occasionally insightful and enlightening. > > Geez, there was a time when trolling was an art form. Now it's just > pornography to me. > And from your earlier posts it would seem you would know best and would appreciate it best (porngraphy that is). > Late, > John > > Ran @ Dionysus Dreams *("In charege of who is there in charge of me. Do I look on blindly and say I see, the way) / -=*=-/ ~ Lyrics by Jon Anderson From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 11:50:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA01292; Wed, 1 May 1996 11:50:40 -0700 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA01281; Wed, 1 May 1996 11:50:36 -0700 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA10831; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:54:01 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9605011154.ZM10829@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 11:54:01 -0700 In-Reply-To: Troy Sheets "Reminder: RAW Tonight." (May 1, 9:26am) References: <199605011626.JAA07518@xanadu.cyborganic.net> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Troy Sheets , cc@cyborganic.net Subject: Re: Reminder: RAW Tonight. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this sucks, there's no way i am going to make it all the way down to porter tonight :( :( :( :( :( anyone going to tape it? On May 1, 9:26am, Troy Sheets wrote: > Subject: Reminder: RAW Tonight. > > Just a reminder to everyone that Robert Anton Wilson is speaking tonight > at the Porter College Cafeteria on the UC Santa Cruz Campus, from 8:00pm > to 9:30pm. Cost is 8 Dollars, which is a heck of a deal... He is speaking > in SF later this week for 29 dollars! > > Robert Anton Wilson is a noted futurist, philosopher and Conspiracy Theory > Guru. "Changing the world by changing the way we think about it" > > -troy > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me > tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only > http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content > troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within >-- End of excerpt from Troy Sheets -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 -- analog synthesis -- chaotic good -- the internet is my ashtray From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 12:43:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA10280; Wed, 1 May 1996 12:43:01 -0700 Received: from pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA10266; Wed, 1 May 1996 12:42:54 -0700 Received: from [128.32.192.226] (ch053.Chance.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.192.226]) by pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA02637; Wed, 1 May 1996 12:40:30 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:36:43 -0800 To: wisialob@elwha.evergreen.edu, cordovac@uclink4.berkeley.edu, snowdeal@elwha.evergreen.edu, kotanchj@elwha.evergreen.edu, jfhmsh@msn.com, kwilson@tcs.com, hawkins@seattleu.edu, margaret.mann@octel.com, coynem@elwha.evergreen.edu, nvp@uclink4.berkeley.edu, shanlf@aol.com, STEPHANIE@ms.kallback.com, Cirsey@aol.com, willow@uclink4.berkeley.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: David Ginsberg Subject: Friends Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk A friend of mine sent this to me today. I'd like to share it with my old friends, my current friends, and my future friends. peacelovejoy, David p.s. - Happy Birthday Steph and Tony!!! Friends It all started so innocently. We met as strangers, thrown together by fate. Some of you grow up with me, others I have only known a short while. Some of you I have hugged constantly over the years, and others I met at a time when hugging was 'un-cool', and it has stayed that way, though the times have changed around us. Some of you I have not yet met in person. Every one of you has enriched my life. You have helped to teach me, to guide me on this often turning and forking road of life. You have been with me through the good times and the bad. You have comforted me when I cried, held me when I was afraid, and laughed with me when I was happy. And now we are in college. And though the distance between us is not great, it is great enough. I am no longer afraid to reach out and hug you, in fact I long to do it. You had walked with me for so long that I was afraid to venture on alone. Yet even as I feared the dark of night, along came others to help me on my journey, in hopes that I would walk with them so they need not journey on alone. They picked up where you left off, and now they are no longer strangers. Who are you? You might be my brother, my sister, my cousin, an old aquanitnce or a new one. But first and foremost, I call you friend. And I miss you if you are away, and if you are here, then I thank you for standing by my side. And so I send you this, so that you might know that someone, somewhere, is thinking of you, praying for you, and loveing you. And that person is me. May God grant you peace and happyness in your times of trail, and watch over you, so that one day we will meet again. Friendship is a strange thing....we find ourselves telling each other the deepest details of our lives...things we don't even share with our families who raised us...But what is a friend? A confidant? A lover? A fellow email junkie? A shoulder to cry on? an ear to listen? a heart to feel?...A friend is all these things...and more. ...Whether we met IRL, over The World, over Resort, or SE, or anywhere...I call you friend. A word so small...yet so large in feeling...a word filled with emotion. It is true great things come in small packages. Once the package of friendship has been opened, it can never be closed...it is a constant book always written...waiting to be read...and enjoyed. We may have our disagreements...we may argue...we may concern one another...friendship is a unique bond that lasts through it all.... ........A part of me is put into my friends...some it is my humor...some it is my listening ear...some it is real life experiences...some it is my romanticism...but with all, it is friendship. ...................Friendships forged are a construct stronger than steel... built as a foundation....necessary for life...and necessary for love. Friends...you and me... ..you brought another friend...and then there were 3... ....we started our group....Our circle of friends... .....and like that circle...there is no beginning or end.... ............................................................................ ___ ____ ___ ____( \ .-' `-. / )____ (____ \_____ / (O O) \ _____/ ____) (____ `-----( ) )-----' ____) (____ _____________\ -____- /_____________ ____) (______/ `-.____.-' \______) **HUG** ____________________________________________________________________________ It is by chance we met, by choice we became friends... ____________________________________________________________________________ ..Keep this going....Email all your friends this message....email all those friends you never met....those you have...and those you've lost along the way.... * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ********************* David Ginsberg Student of Neurophenomenology and the Human Condition University of California, Berkeley ginsberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu "There is no such reality as something." ********************* ************* ******** ***** *** ** * * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 12:57:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA11882; Wed, 1 May 1996 12:57:48 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA11800; Wed, 1 May 1996 12:57:39 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA11926 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 12:56:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:56:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199605011956.MAA11926@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Flamefest-O-Rama (was Re: (NRR) re: Traci Lords) X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> > > Thank you. Your validation of my facts would be most intruiging. >> > > I can only wonder, who's zoomin' who. >> > >> > They ain't your facts buddy-boy. They ain't even facts. Just some >> > recorded ideas that may be facts. >> > >> Huh? >> And who is buddy-boy? > > Read the word 'your' in the sentance and have a cup of coffee. Here we go: an otherwise intelligent discussion degenerating into a flame-fest. Everyone stand back, we is goan have a pissin' contest. Anyone ever heard the story of the Wildwood Flower? Anyone want to hear it? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 13:01:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA12321; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:01:56 -0700 Received: from elaine30.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA12291; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:01:48 -0700 Received: (from starchld@localhost) by elaine30.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA29731 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:01:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Kodama Message-Id: <199605012001.NAA29731@elaine30.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Re: Rave data reasoning To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:01:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Rave Info Compiler" at May 1, 96 10:00:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Over the past few days ravedata has been receiving alot of slack and I ^^^^^ since when is slack a bad thing??? slack off - quit your job! give me slack, or give me food, or kill me! matt. > just wanted to explain a few things to everyone although the problems > were explained and resolved (thanks to those who did apologize!) Our > project is aimed to bring the rave community closer together. We are not > trying to make a profit but rather dedicating hundreds of hours of our time > to the scene we believe in...We really do appreciate the help that > everyone does give us. The rave info will be available on both the web > and on CD-Rom making this information availbale for ravers on the net and > not. > Luv- > Nicole and Matt > "Rave Info Compilers" > > -- |=======================================================================| | | | i have the world's largest collection of seashells. i keep it on all | | the beaches of the world ... perhaps you've seen it. | | | | you know how it is when you're reading a book and falling asleep, | | you're reading, reading ... and all of a sudden you notice your eyes | | are closed? i'm like that all the time. | | | | i put tape on the mirrors in my house so i don't accidentally walk | | through into another dimension. | | | | - steven wright | | | |=======================================================================| -starchld@leland.stanford.edu--the mothership can be reached at 493-4099- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 13:19:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA13846; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:19:07 -0700 Received: from elaine30.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA13837; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:19:04 -0700 Received: (from starchld@localhost) by elaine30.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00299 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Kodama Message-Id: <199605012018.NAA00299@elaine30.Stanford.EDU> Subject: yo! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk music question: heard a song at fusion during one of the later sets which had a woman singing "yo" over and over again - at least i think that's what she was saying ... with not too much effort you could convince yourself that she was saying dozens of different things. sort of like an audio rorschach blob (pardon horrid spelling, pleez) anyway, does anybody know whose track that was? (artist, although i'm curious which dj that was too.) thanks! matt. -- |=======================================================================| | | | i have the world's largest collection of seashells. i keep it on all | | the beaches of the world ... perhaps you've seen it. | | | | you know how it is when you're reading a book and falling asleep, | | you're reading, reading ... and all of a sudden you notice your eyes | | are closed? i'm like that all the time. | | | | i put tape on the mirrors in my house so i don't accidentally walk | | through into another dimension. | | | | - steven wright | | | |=======================================================================| -starchld@leland.stanford.edu--the mothership can be reached at 493-4099- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 13:19:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA13865; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:19:13 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA13835; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:19:02 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp040-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.40]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id NAA20199 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:18:53 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960501201904.00a4de58@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 13:19:04 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Crackle 99 Subject: Re: Flamefest-O-Rama (was Re: (NRR) re: Traci Lords) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Anyone ever heard the story of the Wildwood Flower? Anyone want to hear it? sure! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 13:59:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA18327; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:59:55 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA18314; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:59:51 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02331 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id NAA21125; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:46:51 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id NAA06545; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:46:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: non-rave, ride needed To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I need a ride from Santa Cruz to SJ at about 3:00am the Sat. morn of May 4th. Failing that a ride to the Henry J. Kaiser (the Oakland Aud) in Oakland by 9-10:00 am the same morning would be great! Either way I'll help pay gas (a deal these days :( ) and buy breakfast. This is for an on call job and I really need the money or I wouldn't bother everyone with this. You can e-mail me above if there are any angels out there. Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (HELP) / -=*=-/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 14:09:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA19854; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:09:22 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19836; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:09:18 -0700 Received: from (sac-ca7-15.ix.netcom.com [204.31.229.47]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA08278 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:12:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:12:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199605012112.OAA08278@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Berkeley E-mail question: sorta RR To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey all, I met a girl named Carla at sunset last week and I'm trying to send her some mail. The problem is I'm not sure what the Berkeley adress is. Is this correct? Something@uclink4.berkeley.edu I'm pretty sure she said uclink4. Thanks in advance! love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 14:13:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA20333; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:13:14 -0700 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA20322; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:13:10 -0700 Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA06701; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:13:00 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199605012113.OAA06701@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Flamefest-O-Rama (was Re: (NRR) re: Traci Lords) To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199605011956.MAA11926@shellx.best.com> from "SDream" at May 1, 96 12:56:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 654 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > >> > > Thank you. Your validation of my facts would be most intruiging. > >> > > I can only wonder, who's zoomin' who. > >> > > >> > They ain't your facts buddy-boy. They ain't even facts. Just some > >> > recorded ideas that may be facts. > >> > > >> Huh? > >> And who is buddy-boy? > > > > Read the word 'your' in the sentance and have a cup of coffee. > > Here we go: an otherwise intelligent discussion degenerating into a > flame-fest. Everyone stand back, we is goan have a pissin' contest. > > Anyone ever heard the story of the Wildwood Flower? Anyone want to hear it? > > S > > Not this time Todd, not this time. Out, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 14:22:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA21206; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:22:55 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA21195; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:22:47 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA03190 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:21:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:21:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199605012121.OAA03190@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The following is much better with guitar accompaniment, but given the nature of email and the desparate need for some positive vibes lately... My apologies to the original author, whose name escapes me... Now this here's the story of the Wildwood Flower. It's an old country classic... The Wildwood Flower grew wild on the farm. We never know'd what it was called. Some said it was a flower, some said it was a weed. I never gave it much thought. One day I was out on the farm talking to my brother Bill and I reached down for a weed to chew on... Things got fuzzy and things got blurry and then everything was GONE! (I didn't know what happened, but I knew it beat the hell outta sniffing burlap...) When I came to my brother was there and he said, "What's wrong with your eyes?" I said I don't know, I was chewin' on a weed. He said, "Let me give it a try!" Spent the rest of that day and most of that night tryin' to find my brother Bill. Caught up with him, 'bout 6 o'clock the next morning, naked, singing on the windmill. (He said he flew up there. I had to fly up and get him down, he was about half crazy...) Very next day we picked a bunch of them weeds and we put'em in the sun to dry. Then we mashed'em up, cleaned'em off, put'em in the corn cob pipe. Smoking that Wildwood Flower got to be a habit. We'd never seen no harm. Heck, we thought it was kinda handy: take a trip and never leave the farm! (Yeah, big ole puff o' that Wildwood Flower and, pretty soon, you're just wandering around behind the little animals...) All good things got to come to an end, and it's the same with the Wildwood Weed. One day this fella from Washington come by and spied 'em and turned white as a sheet! Well, he burned and he dug and he dug and he burned and he killed all our cute little weeds. Then he drove away... And we just smiled and waved... Sitting there on that sack o' seeds... 8) Y'all come back now, y'hear? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 14:35:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA22516; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:35:28 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA22503; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:35:22 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA03071 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca9-13.ix.netcom.com [199.182.128.45]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA22704; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:34:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:34:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199605012134.OAA22704@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Re: HARMONY! (BSP) To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Are there any tickets still available for Harmony's Beautiful People this >Friday? > >S > > Beautiful People this Friday was NOT a presale ticket party. So all the tickets ARE still avialible, since we have not sold any yet. The doors will open @ nine, and tickets to get in will be purchased at the door. We DO however have a limited capacity of 800 people. This does not mean 800 tickets will be sold! This means ALL of the guest list, ALL of the crew and ALL of the ticket sales = 800 people. We are very aware of problems that arise when promoters overcrowd a space, and want to make sure that we do not create a bad situation by doing just that. So, yes you can still get into Beautiful People, but try to get there early, because tickets will probably sell out fast! Once again the doors open at 9pm. The party is in San Francisco, so if you are coming from out of town get into the city and call the info #. (We will change the message at around 7pm. to give the directions) (408)486-9591+(408)450-3044 are the info #'s Also, due to some last minute, unexpected budget increases (rrr!) we are going to charge $15 at the door, instead of $13. It is all going to be worth it!!!!! Peace and love to you, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 14:56:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA24674; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:56:43 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA24626; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:56:33 -0700 Received: from (solle@srf-ca3-13.ix.netcom.com [199.182.131.109]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA20586 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 14:52:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:52:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199605012152.OAA20586@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: solle@ix.netcom.com (Sunny) Subject: My Friend... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey You Guys, A friend of mine left Vancouver almost a year ago on trip around the world. When he left on his trip he was one of the corest Deadheads around. After a year away he is now a very different man. It seems he spent a month in Goa, India and another month in a beach town in Thailand. It was at these places that he saw the light. And oh boy, did he ever see the light. Now I can't keep him away from my mix tapes. And he is longing for a full moon party! I really want to show this guy a great time while he's in S.F. and complete the deadhead~to~raver transformation. Can anyone suggest any extra special events for this weekend? Man, just listening to the stories this guy has about Goa makes me want to chuck this keyboard out the window and jump on a plane. If anybody is planning a trip in that direction he'd love to pass along all of his recently gained information. And please forward any suggestions for this weekend immediately!!!! Bye For Now! -SUNNY Solle Clothing Co. solle@solle.com http://www.solle.com/solle/ (under construction) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 15:12:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA26572; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:12:42 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA26558; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:12:37 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA1743; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:12:01 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960501221804.00c0a860@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 15:18:04 -0700 To: kcroy@best.com (kcroy), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: Health Alert/Re: heroin is orally active Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya Alllllll! First, and once again let me dispell this rumor that x is cut with Heroin, not!!!!! An interview with the head of England's toxicology lab is available via the net. The head of the lab was asked did they ever discover h in any x they have ever tested in there long and industrious career, the answer not!!!!!. Sorry to be a bubble buster, it's tuft job but someone has to do it. Better me, being a hologram, than a real human anyway. >Im still confused about what across the country say is 'h' cut into their >x. i mean, ive seen it back east, too. seems pretty common. am out of ideas >for what that slow effect is. Dont buy that the symptoms are similar to >taking too much. b/c people have taken half hits, and still ahd that dopey >slow effect. Black tar Heroin is very strongly linked to the flesh eating bacteria. The danger is extreme strong for people that shoot it, so DON'T DO IT, YOU NOW HAVE THE BEST REASON IN THE WORLD TO REHAB, SO JUST DO IT. Peace THX1138 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 15:19:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA28039; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:19:58 -0700 Received: from jeeves.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA28028; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:19:54 -0700 Received: from duckman.usfca.edu (duckman.usfca.edu [138.202.32.151]) by jeeves.usfca.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA18876 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:13:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:13:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199605012213.PAA18876@jeeves.usfca.edu> X-Sender: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) Subject: Re: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Well, he burned and he dug and he dug and he burned >and he killed all our cute little weeds. >Then he drove away... >And we just smiled and waved... >Sitting there on that sack o' seeds... 8) > >Y'all come back now, y'hear? Available soon: "SDream's greatest hits!" Including the hit singles "The devil went down to Frisco" and "The story of the wildwood flower" Coming to all Tower outlets and other fine stores near you ;) Jake (only 7 more days to go...) Jake Reichert | I used to be indecisive/ reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu | But now I'm not so sure... | -The The -------------------------------------------------------------------- "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES" B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------ The Happy Family A=====================================V Bulgarian Voices | Pixies | | | ____ | Bauhaus | Frazier Chorus | /| | /\ | | \ | Michael Brook | Spirea X | / | | / \ | | \ | The Breeders | Colourbox | / | | / \ | | | | Dead Can Dance | Dif Juz | /___| | /______\ | | | | Throwing Muses | The The | | | / \ | | / | Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema | | | / \ | |___ / | Cocteau Twins | Liquorice A=====================================M Lisa Germano | M|A|R|R|S X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides | The Birthday Party A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch | C.V.O | Air Miami Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks | Lisa Gerrard | Last Dance | Lush Modern English | Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde | This Mortal Coil The Wolfgang Press | Richenel | His Name Is Alive | Pale Saints The Glee Club --------------------------------- Colin Newman "LONELY IS AN EYESORE" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 15:33:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA29454; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:33:04 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA29435; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:32:56 -0700 Received: from [128.32.160.62] (hmfmac24.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.160.62]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA15000; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:30:46 -0800 To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) From: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) Subject: Re: Traci Lords Reply (long) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk John, I want to reply to each of your points because there are all important and deserve discussion. But unfortunately, finals week at Berkeley has just descended and it's an impossibility for the next two weeks. (Computer lab hours are short and the lines are MASSIVE - I have to reserve my computer time for papers). (BTW, one of which you'll be interested to know is the inadequacy of using Western feminism to evaluate women's "oppression" in other societies, i.e. Muslim and Third World). I'm sure either this conversation or another will continue at a later time. Long live healthy debate!! Take Care, Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 15:39:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA00155; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:39:06 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA29980; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:38:59 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA2772 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 15:38:27 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960501224209.0076f3b0@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 15:42:09 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: DJ Record Annoucement Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya All;!!!! I plan in the next couple of weeks to do at least Germany, so if every goes as planned I would be happy to do some record shopping for you's guys over there. E-Mail me!!!! Peace THX1138 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 16:14:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03886; Wed, 1 May 1996 16:14:35 -0700 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03877; Wed, 1 May 1996 16:14:32 -0700 Received: from v-site by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id QAA26058; Wed, 1 May 1996 16:13:51 -0700 Message-ID: <3187F037.4A90@netcom.com> Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 16:13:59 -0700 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dhchung@hyperreal.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: UPDATE: sci fi club Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk *THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE SCI FI CLUB FOUND IN THE WEEKLY RAVE GUIDE. PLEASE ADJUST INFO- THANKS:)* SCI-FI action club-every Sunday after the Sunset party resident action DJs THETA-BLIP DUTCH DRC MARS SOLAR Free food and Funky vibes in The Juicy Milk Bar (Ameba DJ team + guests) 18 and up 21 to drink From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 16:25:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA04925; Wed, 1 May 1996 16:25:24 -0700 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA04919; Wed, 1 May 1996 16:25:21 -0700 Received: from v-site by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id QAA26080; Wed, 1 May 1996 16:24:47 -0700 Message-ID: <3187F2C8.7D75@netcom.com> Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 16:24:56 -0700 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dhchung@hyperreal.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Update to the sci fi update.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The Sci Fi Action Club is located 683 Clementina @ 8th and Folsom (Cat's Grill) ph# (415) 331-1500 ex 888 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 16:58:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA08503; Wed, 1 May 1996 16:58:17 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA08475; Wed, 1 May 1996 16:58:01 -0700 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id QAA08294; Wed, 1 May 1996 16:52:20 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id QAA08551; Wed, 1 May 1996 16:52:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:52:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Beltane To: sfraves cc: Don Williams , "D. Steve White" , Jamie Pauline Smith , Gregory Sandler , brooke pomerantz , Andrew Knudson , James E Kaspar , Farouz Gipson , Denise Gallant , Paul Ferrise , nick farwell , brandon estuesta , John Draper , "michelle d'angelo" , michael clay , Stephanie Burnetts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAPPY BELTANE TO YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have all enriched my life in some way! I would like to offer you all this blessing; May the holy mother earth, the sacred father sun, and the immortal-unknowable spirit of life help you and protect you all. Ran (We LIVE!!) / -=*=-/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 17:04:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA09105; Wed, 1 May 1996 17:04:04 -0700 Received: from atropos.c2.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA09066; Wed, 1 May 1996 17:03:51 -0700 From: sameer@c2.org Received: (from sameer@localhost) by atropos.c2.org (8.7.4/CSUA) id RAA22208; Wed, 1 May 1996 17:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605020003.RAA22208@atropos.c2.org> Subject: Re: Narcs and narcing To: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199604292200.PAA25746@jeeves.usfca.edu> from "Jake Reichert" at Apr 29, 96 03:00:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >>Nice thought, but generally false. I actually had opportunity to ask a cop > >>about this once and he basically laughed at the suggestion. I've read that > >>legally they may have to, but there are several exceptions, such as if they > >>feel they'd be endangering themselves by admitting the truth. > >> > >>Joe > > However, by law they cannot partake of any of the substances they are trying > to bust someone for. In the case of marijuana, this is easy enough. If Sounds like another dangerous urban legend. "Feds have to say yes if you ask them if they're a fed. Really they do." -- Sameer Parekh Voice: 510-601-9777x3 Community ConneXion, Inc. FAX: 510-601-9734 The Internet Privacy Provider Dialin: 510-658-6376 http://www.c2.net/ (or login as "guest") sameer@c2.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 17:08:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA09508; Wed, 1 May 1996 17:08:20 -0700 Received: from mail.thestranger.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA09500; Wed, 1 May 1996 17:08:17 -0700 Received: from [199.238.224.10] by mail.thestranger.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b11); Wed, 1 May 1996 17:04:47 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:04:46 -0700 To: Randy C Cone , sfraves From: tigger@thestranger.com (Glenn) Subject: Re: Beltane Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 4:52 PM 5/1/96, Randy C Cone wrote: >Hi everyone! > >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAPPY BELTANE TO YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >You have all enriched my life in some way! I would like to offer you all >this blessing; > >May the holy mother earth, the sacred father sun, and the >immortal-unknowable spirit of life help you and protect you all. Blessed be! And a fruitful and prosperous holiday to you and yours as well! Tigger (ATOI, Seattle) 0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0 **************************Go Tribal, Go Deep!!!**************************** 0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0 \\\|||/// \\\|||/// \\\|||/// . ======= . ======= . ======= / \| O O | / \| O O | / \| O O | \ / \v_'/ \ / \v_'/ \ / \v_'/ # _| |_ # _| |_ # _| |_ (#) ( ) (#) ( ) (#) ( ) #\//|* *|\\ #\//|* *|\\ #\//|* *|\\ #\/( * )/ #\/( * )/ #\/( * )/ # ===== # ===== # ===== # (\ /) # (\ /) # (\ /) # || || # || || # || || .#---'| |----. .#---'| |----. .#---'| |----. #----' -----' #----' -----' #----' -----' From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 17:17:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA10338; Wed, 1 May 1996 17:17:43 -0700 Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA10331; Wed, 1 May 1996 17:17:40 -0700 Received: from [153.37.82.69] (pool005.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.69]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA10935 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 20:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:17:21 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin) Subject: Re: Fire-eaters at All Together Now Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On Tue, 30 Apr 1996 Thnkblnd@aol.com wrote: > >> Did anyone else (aside from me) think that the fire-eaters at All Togethe= r >> Now were pretty cool?! Has anyone seen them perform before? >> >> -rg >> Yeah I saw them at a few All Together Now parties last year. Usually painted blue or green. There is usually a mixed reaction to them. Some say they are satanic and have no place in a loving rave scene, some say they are perverted being dressed in little or no clothing(of course this is at an 18+ gathering where some people dance naked anyways), I think it brings a circus element to the party that is kinda fun to watch and interpret... . . __/-^-\__ . . . . . <<<>>> . . . @ . `'\-*-/`' . . . . . = . . /|\ . . . . . . / | \ . . . / | \ . . . . . / / | \ \. . . . / / | \ \ . . . = . . / / / | \ \ \ . . . . . / / / | \ \ \ . . = . . / / / / | \ \ \ \. . . . . / / / / | \ \ \ \ . . _@_/` ~\_e_/~ _G/ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ . . ~/ }} (*) < =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ = . // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ . . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 18:13:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA16542; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:13:03 -0700 Received: from essi.essi.fr by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA16533; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:12:59 -0700 Received: from jessica.essi.fr (jessica.essi.fr [157.169.25.100]) by essi.essi.fr (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id DAA19058 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 03:14:42 +0200 (HEURE_D'ETE) Received: (from waldura@localhost) by jessica.essi.fr (8.7.5/8.7.5) id DAA25612 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 2 May 1996 03:14:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Waldura Renaud Message-Id: <199605020114.DAA25612@jessica.essi.fr> Subject: Re: End of the world party To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 03:14:09 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-to: waldura@essi.fr Organization: ESSI, Sophia Antipolis (France) X-PGP-Key: http://www.essi.fr/~waldura/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 29 FC F9 5A 41 E4 35 70 4A 9D BD AF 02 4B 0B 5D X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In a previous mail, Eric P. Peterson wrote: > > throw and End of the World Party! It could be a synchronized event > occurring in every major raving city in the world. > [...] > Anyone want to start a planning committee? Well, if you consider like some that the End of the World will occur on January 1st, 2000... you should definitely have a look at the _Gaia Rave_ project, Eric! http://www2.e.kth.se/~e94_fhu/Public/GAIA/gaia_home.html Basically the idea is the same: a synchronized event taking place all over the planet for the first day of the 3rd millennium. (aka the End of the Old World ;-) _Gaia Rave_ tries to gather forces to setup this big event :-) I already mailed them, but it seems that it is still a bit too early... Or that the guys were not so serious about it. -- Renaud Waldura Computer science student, "Systems & Networks" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 18:24:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA17413; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:24:31 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA17407; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:24:28 -0700 Received: from [128.32.205.213] (cc213.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.213]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA20355 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:24:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: TKagnoff/Goa. was: Re: My Friend... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ... >spent a month in Goa, India and another month in a beach town in Thailand. >It was at these places that he saw the light. And oh boy, did he ever see ... >listening to the stories this guy has about Goa makes me want to chuck >this keyboard out the window and jump on a plane. Speaking of goa, I just got T. Kagnoff's tape in da mail and it kicks arse so far... What was the track listing? it's not in the tape. Why no pretty cover? I'll make you one for free if you're interested... What other goa dj's are there in SFBA whose mix tapes I could acquire? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 664-1026 | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 18:40:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA18819; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:40:48 -0700 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA18814; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:40:45 -0700 Received: (from branka@localhost) by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id SAA18473; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:40:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:40:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Branka Cehic Subject: Glow sticks ??? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, hey! Another weekend is almost here :) and doesn't it sound wonderful... I was wondering if anybody knows where I could buy glow sticks. I just love those things :). I live in SF, but work in South Bay so anywhere in between would be cool (I could get them before Fri night). Anybody going to see Doran spin tonight? If you are come and say hi, I would love to meet more people. I have long, straight brown hair (sometimes I have glitter in it :P, but not tonight, maybe at Beautiful PPl)... Hmm... don't know how to really describe myself - there is nothing that's too specific... ah! - I have a little gap between my teeth and I smile a lot so it's not hard to notice. Sometimes I walk around and offer Starburst :). Hugz, Branka From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 18:41:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA18884; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:41:25 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA18867; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:41:21 -0700 Received: from well (cubensis@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA17336; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:41:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:41:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bagby Subject: Re: TKagnoff/Goa. was: Re: My Friend... To: michal migurski cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There's always Goa Gil from Marin... phat beats tho he's mainly a DATman... On Wed, 1 May 1996, michal migurski wrote: > What other goa dj's are there in SFBA whose mix tapes I could acquire? > > -m. > > > 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 > | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | > | for that whole body thirst situation | > | | > | (- My Portfolio! -) | > | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | > | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| > | -> but patience always helps. <- | > | | > | Michal Migurski | > | (510) 664-1026 | > 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 18:43:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA18997; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:43:06 -0700 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA18990; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:43:03 -0700 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0uEnQ1-000D9tC; Wed, 1 May 96 18:42 PDT Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:42:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: BSP free outdoor party saturday w/ a side order of trance:) To: Happy Ravers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On May 4th, we'd like to play in the sun and gather for a free outdoor daytime BBQ and Beats Picnic Party. We'll start things off at noon and go until 8:30 or so. djs will be Jonathan, Joe Rice, BioJeff, LeLe, Tom, and Ethan There will be a limited amount of both meat and veggie BBQ'd food that will be provided, so please bring food you'd like to have as well, salads, fruits, drinks..etc. This will be sort of like a pot luck, so bring your favorite foods to share with others. Call 415.525.5o52 for directions. We'll be at a familiar north bay locale. enjoy the sun, tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 18:55:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA19974; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:55:41 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA19962; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:55:37 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA08115; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:55:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:55:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Branka Cehic cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Glow sticks ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You can find them at a sporting goods store that sells fishing equipment or maybe a toy store. They are easy to find:). Reagan On Wed, 1 May 1996, Branka Cehic wrote: > > Hey, hey! > > Another weekend is almost here :) and doesn't it sound wonderful... > > I was wondering if anybody knows where I could buy glow sticks. I just > love those things :). I live in SF, but work in South Bay so anywhere in > between would be cool (I could get them before Fri night). > > Anybody going to see Doran spin tonight? If you are come and say hi, I > would love to meet more people. > I have long, straight brown hair (sometimes I have glitter in it :P, but > not tonight, maybe at Beautiful PPl)... Hmm... don't know how to really > describe myself - there is nothing that's too specific... ah! - I have a > little gap between my teeth and I smile a lot so it's not hard to > notice. Sometimes I walk around and offer Starburst :). > > Hugz, > Branka > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 20:14:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA26941; Wed, 1 May 1996 20:14:06 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA26928; Wed, 1 May 1996 20:13:57 -0700 Received: from (shawna-@wck-ca11-21.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.181]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA07259 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 20:09:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 20:09:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199605020309.UAA07259@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: Glow sticks ??? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > You can find them at a sporting goods store that sells fishing >equipment or maybe a toy store. They are easy to find:). Also, I've seen 'em (go figure!) in army surplus stores. In Montreal, they had every color imaginable! shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 20:36:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA28849; Wed, 1 May 1996 20:36:43 -0700 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA28842; Wed, 1 May 1996 20:36:40 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora (jsl@localhost.netcom.com [127.0.0.1]) by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id UAA10069; Wed, 1 May 1996 20:36:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 20:36:32 -0700 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: How to finish a fight. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk We have plenty of conflict here, words only go so far. Fuck this, I want REAL face-to-face combat. If you think that your shit is all that, then let's battle it out, fuck this virtual shit. That's right, it's time for a real fight, it's time for a circle dance challenge. So you think my words are agressive, you ain't seen my backflip scissor kick (damn near killed a trancer). When I'm really angry, with a twist. You have yet to see the hyper agressive rooster strut, saved for those really hardheaded ones (you know who you are). Some of my more strategic moves involves the double fake. Not a move for the weak, besides rhythm is required. That is where you motion forward with your torso, let one foot slide backward, keeping the arms in an "L" shape at the sides, pump them three times, turn, spin, and deliver a side swipe from the left. Devastating. I won't give away my many tecniques here. No I couldn't beat the devil, but mere mortals? No problem. So bring the noise...if your shit is all that, buck up. I guarantee a dance hurting the likes that'll send you back home to momma. C'mon wit' it, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 20:39:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA28994; Wed, 1 May 1996 20:39:25 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA28983; Wed, 1 May 1996 20:39:22 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA13945 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 20:38:44 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960502034230.00b9f178@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 20:42:30 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: My Day Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya, I spent the day sitting on Rodeo Beach in the Marin Headlands listening to Trance. I highly recommend a good disc man, Panasonic seem to make the ones the play the loudest, a good pair of headphones which exclude the ones they give you when you buy them. I prefer my Sony MVR-600 that rock; real bass, and of course a good selection of Trance available from F-8. Their was a party that happened there a while ago, on a regular basis, can anyone tell me who put it together and how I might go about getting in contact with them, thanks. PS Anyone recommend a new action computer game that's not to puzzle based, and also not an exercise in how coordinated I am with the Cyberman/Joystick/Mouse. Peace THX1138 510-599-2541 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 21:12:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA01281; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:12:01 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA01264; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:11:58 -0700 Received: from 204.31.235.189 (sjx-ca30-29.ix.netcom.com [204.31.235.189]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA13035 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:11:09 -0700 Message-ID: <31878E60.2671@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 09:16:32 -0700 From: CT Reply-To: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com Organization: CT D-Zine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Glow sticks ??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Branka Cehic wrote: > > Hey, hey! > > Another weekend is almost here :) and doesn't it sound wonderful... > > I was wondering if anybody knows where I could buy glow sticks. I just > love those things :). > Branka Has anyone seen those alien head lolipops with a glow stick for a handle????? I've seen them recently at a bunch of 7-11s and liquor stores in the south bay. A little pricey but I think they're pretty cool. CT From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 21:14:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA01518; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:14:25 -0700 Received: from cyberE.creative.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA01513; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:14:23 -0700 Received: from [204.71.217.20] (port20.creative.net [204.71.217.20]) by cyberE.creative.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA19782; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 21:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605020409.VAA19782@cyberE.creative.net> X-Sender: bigz@creative.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Reagan Reid , Branka Cehic From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) Subject: Re: Glow sticks ??? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Try Scuba Diving Shops as well, We use them to identify each other underwater during night dives. They have real cool colors like purple, red and blue too! Jon At 6:55 PM 5/1/96 -0700, Reagan Reid wrote: > > You can find them at a sporting goods store that sells fishing >equipment or maybe a toy store. They are easy to find:). > Reagan > > > > > > >On Wed, 1 May 1996, Branka Cehic wrote: > >> >> Hey, hey! >> >> Another weekend is almost here :) and doesn't it sound wonderful... >> >> I was wondering if anybody knows where I could buy glow sticks. I just >> love those things :). I live in SF, but work in South Bay so anywhere in >> between would be cool (I could get them before Fri night). >> >> Anybody going to see Doran spin tonight? If you are come and say hi, I >> would love to meet more people. >> I have long, straight brown hair (sometimes I have glitter in it :P, but >> not tonight, maybe at Beautiful PPl)... Hmm... don't know how to really >> describe myself - there is nothing that's too specific... ah! - I have a >> little gap between my teeth and I smile a lot so it's not hard to >> notice. Sometimes I walk around and offer Starburst :). >> >> Hugz, >> Branka >> Jon Zimmerman (415)664-6645 bigz@bigz.com http://www.bigz.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 21:14:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA01563; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:14:56 -0700 Received: from cyberE.creative.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA01555; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:14:53 -0700 Received: from [204.71.217.20] (port20.creative.net [204.71.217.20]) by cyberE.creative.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA19920 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 21:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605020410.VAA19920@cyberE.creative.net> X-Sender: bigz@creative.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) Subject: Not rave related but interesting Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You GOT to check this out, crazy... >From: Emily Robbins >Subject: Yikes !-FWD > >Oh my God. You'll have to hear it for yourself. > >Em > >> Want a laugh? Call the following number: (704) 377-4444. When the >>recording comes on, hit extension 1955. Then listen. The voice you'll >>hear belongs to a guy who reads the school lunch menu for kids in >>Charlotte, North Carolina, and he is EXCITED!! >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Jon Zimmerman (415)664-6645 bigz@bigz.com http://www.bigz.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 21:37:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA03292; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:37:56 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA03282; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:37:51 -0700 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com (larryc@netcom22.netcom.com [192.100.81.136]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA07227 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA27813; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:36:06 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199605020436.VAA27813@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: "Obvious" advice to Harmony To: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 21:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Cc: SDream@tgrigsby.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199605012134.OAA22704@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> from "Gregory Sandler" at May 1, 96 02:34:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] Some folks might think that the following advice might be unnecessary because it's so obvious. But I thought I'd bring up these items , in reaction to the lastest post with information about Harmony , because there might be a few folks who might hold events of their own that haven't thought of these points yet. 1. Harmony, via Gregory Sandler, has put out the information that this Friday evening event will not have any tickets available pre-sale. All tickets at the door, with much encouragement to show up early. The time of 9PM was as the start of ticket sales. My advice - start selling those tickets AT 9PM SHARP! I think there will be a ton of folks who'll want to go to this, and you'll get a growing, restless crowd milling around and shoving on the sidewalk if you do the typical 1/2hour or 1 hour delay. Don't matter if the sound system isn't ready yet - get those folks off the sidewalk ! 2. When the tickets run out - change the voicemail! No use having more folks showing up after that , causing a haves/have nots situation and loitering. Maybe the voicemail should be changed when the last 20 tickets are selling. ... and I'm not even going to this thing .... Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 21:47:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA04201; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:47:50 -0700 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA04191; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:47:46 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA29414; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:47:42 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199605020447.VAA29414@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: Bass Instinct ( for calendar ) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 21:47:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 622 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] I happened to be in the Solid Grooves music store and found this flyer: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- the b.a.s.s. kru presents the second chapta: BASS INSTINCT May 10, 1996 0 A DRUM AND BASS CELEBRATION 0 FEATURING DJS: *THAD *STAREYES *ABSTRACT *FLUX *NOEL *TOMAS Free mix tapes for the first eighty people For information call 415-332-5800 ext.24-7 BIG UP ALL JUNGLE MASSIVE - THANKS FOR MAKING NEW DAWN A SUCCESS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 21:51:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA04454; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:51:23 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA04448; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:51:20 -0700 Received: (from dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id VAA14360; Wed, 1 May 1996 21:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 21:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: * Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 22:04:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA05451; Wed, 1 May 1996 22:04:24 -0700 Received: from elroy.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA05443; Wed, 1 May 1996 22:04:22 -0700 Received: by elroy.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id WAA29583; Wed, 1 May 1996 22:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 22:04:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Uncle Noah X-Sender: ez031733@elroy.ucdavis.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: LunchMenuMan Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I couldn't resist, so I called as soon as I got the message. Needless to say, I hooke dup the trusty multitrack tape recorder... hmmm, new sample fodder.... ;) Be on the lookout for LunchMenuMan on a white lable somewhere soon... :D (If I ever get enough titme to play with my musical toys! grumble grumble grumble) --+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+--- "Uncle" Noah Apodaca - napodaca@ucdavis.edu Student, Disc Jockey, Resident Advisor I'M FINALLY ON THE WEB!! CHECK OUT MY ARTWORK AT: http://think.ucdavis.edu/current/apodaca.html From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 22:06:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA05747; Wed, 1 May 1996 22:06:35 -0700 Received: from elroy.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA05717; Wed, 1 May 1996 22:06:31 -0700 Received: by elroy.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id WAA29601; Wed, 1 May 1996 22:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 22:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Uncle Noah X-Sender: ez031733@elroy.ucdavis.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: typo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just realized a most embarrassing typo in the last post... please read my little rant as "...enough TIME..." :D --+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+--- "Uncle" Noah Apodaca - napodaca@ucdavis.edu Student, Disc Jockey, Resident Advisor I'M FINALLY ON THE WEB!! CHECK OUT MY ARTWORK AT: http://think.ucdavis.edu/current/apodaca.html From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 23:14:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA10185; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:14:41 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA10179; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:14:37 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA18665 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:13:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:13:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199605020613.XAA18665@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Not rave related but interesting X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jon Zimmerman wrote: >You GOT to check this out, crazy... OH! I just gotta have that HOT POTATO! DEEP SEA HOAGIE, HOT DIGGETY DOG, and (ready for this?) RAVE FOR RAVIOLI! Where did you *find* this? That was too hilarious!! S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 23:18:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA10417; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:18:12 -0700 Received: from infobase.internex.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA10410; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:18:08 -0700 Received: from [204.119.89.82] by infobase.internex.net (post.office MTA v1.7 ID# 0-11031) with SMTP id AAA23226; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:16:46 -0700 X-Sender: andy-pythagoras@menlopark01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 23:20:07 -0700 To: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Andrew Nourse" Subject: Re: (NRR) re: Traci Lords Message-ID: <19960502061638.AAA23226@[204.119.89.82]> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 05:22 PM 4/29/96 PDT, Nancy wrote: >Also, mainstream porn (made almost exclusively for men) is damaging in that >it is NOT A REALISTIC PORTRAYAL OF FEMALE SEXUALITY. It is rather unrealistic about male sexuality also. >The women are portrayed as having the exact same sexual response as men. i.e. there is >no foreplay required, a woman is ready to go at a moment's notice, she is >willing to have sex with anyone in the room without having to have any sort >of relationship with them, and she has uncontrollable orgasms from intercourse. They always tell us guys that that's what our sexual response is supposed to be, but not all of us believe everything we are told. The sort of thing you describe above certainly isn't what turns me on. Perhaps that is why I find nearly all mainstream porn to be boring. (Making sex boring, now that IS obscene). >women who cannot communicate just what they really need from a lover. Don't give up trying. >Hopefully as a society we can move beyond our current model of sex as a) a >display of dehumanized women for the man, and b) nasty and degrading to >women. This whole concept of what sex is evidences, to me, the sickness of >our society. They try to turn it into a commodity, and rather ineptly at that. (kind of like what bad promoters do to raves). > Hopefully we can move toward a healthy, loving, equitable >sexuality - and hopefully the mindset that will birth it is what we are >creating in rave. I hope so too. >Change starts with the individual. For myself, I have thrown away >societal's pressure on my sexuality and proudly claim MY real desires - a >loving relationship, my own pleasure (foreplay), respect and consensuality, >and absolute enjoyment of sex. It's possible that that's what everyone (of either sex) wants, once we get past what we are told we want. > I will support erotica and writings and >photography from women - a sexuality that is beautiful, arousing, and equitable. I would hope that something like this could also be created by men, or even by men and women working together. I'd love to see more of it in any case, whoever does it. > I refuse to believe that being disturbed by current pornography >means we cannot be sexually liberated. Just don't assume that everyone *else* who opposes pornography will support the sexual liberation of women. The xtian right, in particular, has the opposite agenda. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 23:18:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA10466; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:18:20 -0700 Received: from infobase.internex.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA10427; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:18:14 -0700 Received: from [204.119.89.82] by infobase.internex.net (post.office MTA v1.7 ID# 0-11031) with SMTP id AAC23226; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:17:03 -0700 X-Sender: andy-pythagoras@menlopark01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 23:20:24 -0700 To: solle@ix.netcom.com (Sunny), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Andrew Nourse" Subject: Re: My Friend... Message-ID: <19960502061638.AAC23226@[204.119.89.82]> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 02:52 PM 5/1/96 -0700, Sunny wrote: >Hey You Guys, > >A friend of mine left Vancouver almost a year ago on trip around the >world. When he left on his trip he was one of the corest Deadheads >around. After a year away he is now a very different man. It seems he >spent a month in Goa, India and another month in a beach town in Thailand. >It was at these places that he saw the light. I'm sure he had seen it before, which is probably why he had followed the Dead. They showed millions of us that music was for dancing to, and so much more. A year ago, the Grateful Dead were still a going concern, that we all expected to be going for quite a bit longer. That changed very abruptly last August 9. Raves give us another place to dance for hours and hours with wonderful people. For that I am truely Grateful. So, evidently, is your friend. > And oh boy, did he ever see >the light. Now I can't keep him away from my mix tapes. And he is >longing for a full moon party! I really want to show this guy a great time >while he's in S.F. and complete the deadhead~to~raver transformation. Is that really a transformation at all? We are Everywhere. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 1 23:47:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA12766; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:47:17 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA12719; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:47:13 -0700 Received: from [128.32.205.214] (cc214.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.214]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA02204 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 23:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:47:10 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: attn: TKagnoff Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk could you please e-mail me? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 664-1026 | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 00:03:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA16545; Thu, 2 May 1996 00:03:16 -0700 Received: from libvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA16534; Thu, 2 May 1996 00:03:08 -0700 Received: from XYP3_PORT12.sonoma.edu by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01I47KSC0PXSQT6KWE@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 02 May 1996 00:03:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 00:03:03 -0800 (PST) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SONOMA.EDU From: Jonas Hanning Subject: Kagnoff's tape!!! X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I47KSCIXSYQT6KWE@SONOMA.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just got this in the mail today, and it's the bomb! I know it's been posted already, but I'd REALLY love to get a tracklisting for it. And for those of you who like trance, and want a great tape, talk to Mr Kagnoff! =) reeeespect, jonas ........................................................... ..::DJ E(skimo!)::....:::Jonas Hanning:::....::dabalhed::.. .......:::http://www.sonoma.edu/students/hanning/:::....... ........................................................... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 00:56:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA19820; Thu, 2 May 1996 00:56:12 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA19814; Thu, 2 May 1996 00:56:08 -0700 Received: from well (mh2o@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA13195; Thu, 2 May 1996 00:56:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 00:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Maureen Garrett Subject: Re: Not rave related but interesting To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199605020613.XAA18665@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Definitely worth a dime....! except I certainly hope this enthusiastic person isnt' the cook!!!!!!!! Sounded like he was having a *ahem* little too much fun....I'll pass on the secret sauce... thank ya kindly... ;-) --Mau On Wed, 1 May 1996, SDream wrote: > Jon Zimmerman wrote: > > >You GOT to check this out, crazy... > > OH! I just gotta have that HOT POTATO! DEEP SEA HOAGIE, HOT > DIGGETY DOG, and > > (ready for this?) > > RAVE FOR RAVIOLI! > > Where did you *find* this? That was too hilarious!! > > S > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 06:05:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA17985; Thu, 2 May 1996 06:05:17 -0700 Received: from mvgate.isinc.insignia.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA17978; Thu, 2 May 1996 06:05:14 -0700 X-Address: Insignia Solutions Inc., 2200 Lawson Lane, Santa Clara, CA.95054 X-Telephone: +1 408 327 6000 X-Fax: +1 408 327 6105 Received: from Tim.isinc.insignia.com ([205.231.223.101]) by mvgate.isinc.insignia.com (5.65c8/UK-2.1.ISL) with SMTP id AA03513; Thu, 2 May 1996 06:02:01 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960502130650.006798c8@email.org> X-Sender: knucklehead@email.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 06:06:50 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Tim (Knucklehead)" Subject: BSP/SFR Calendar Event Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On May 4th, we'd like to play in the sun and gather for a free outdoor daytime BBQ and Beats Picnic Party. We'll start things off at noon and go until 8:30 or so. djs will be Jonathan, Joe Rice, BioJeff, LeLe, Tom, and Ethan There will be a limited amount of both meat and veggie BBQ'd food that will be provided, so please bring food you'd like to have as well, salads, fruits, drinks..etc. This will be sort of like a pot luck, so bring your favorite foods to share with others. Call 415.525.5o52 for directions. We'll be at a familiar north bay locale. Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 07:09:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA22655; Thu, 2 May 1996 07:09:22 -0700 Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA22649; Thu, 2 May 1996 07:09:19 -0700 From: Jeffrey_Coons@ccmail.rsco.com Received: from ccmail.rsco.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA20532; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:06:46 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.rsco.com id AA831046210; Thu, 02 May 96 07:02:56 PST Date: Thu, 02 May 96 07:02:56 PST Message-Id: <9604028310.AA831046210@ccmail.rsco.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: How to finish a fight. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk what the fuck is this????? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: How to finish a fight. Author: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) at INTERNET Date: 5/1/96 8:46 PM We have plenty of conflict here, words only go so far. Fuck this, I want REAL face-to-face combat. If you think that your shit is all that, then let's battle it out, fuck this virtual shit. That's right, it's time for a real fight, it's time for a circle dance challenge. So you think my words are agressive, you ain't seen my backflip scissor kick (damn near killed a trancer). When I'm really angry, with a twist. You have yet to see the hyper agressive rooster strut, saved for those really hardheaded ones (you know who you are). Some of my more strategic moves involves the double fake. Not a move for the weak, besides rhythm is required. That is where you motion forward with your torso, let one foot slide backward, keeping the arms in an "L" shape at the sides, pump them three times, turn, spin, and deliver a side swipe from the left. Devastating. I won't give away my many tecniques here. No I couldn't beat the devil, but mere mortals? No problem. So bring the noise...if your shit is all that, buck up. I guarantee a dance hurting the likes that'll send you back home to momma. C'mon wit' it, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 07:34:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA25670; Thu, 2 May 1996 07:34:48 -0700 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA25658; Thu, 2 May 1996 07:34:45 -0700 Received: (from ccat@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id HAA06083; Thu, 2 May 1996 07:34:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 07:34:37 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Message-Id: <199605021434.HAA06083@netcom17.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Pornography/Erotica Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I, for one, would really like to hear what people think would be non-sexist, women-friendly erotica.. I know it when I see it, but that's fairly rare.. I tend to lean towards the slightly less-slick "amateur" erotica.. but that might not be PC enough for some.. A very close (woman) friend of mine has wanted for years to produce woman-friendly erotica, but I suspect it would be hard to please everybody. In any case.. I hope people don't stop trying.... :) It's always been my feeling that sexual repression is used to control the masses... Hows that for my Mayday statement? -Chris. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 08:12:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA00692; Thu, 2 May 1996 08:12:16 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA00681; Thu, 2 May 1996 08:12:12 -0700 Received: from well (cubensis@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA12846; Thu, 2 May 1996 08:06:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bagby Subject: Re: My Friend... To: Andrew Nourse cc: Sunny , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <19960502061638.AAC23226@[204.119.89.82]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is a great point about the Dead-- I too am an upgraded Deadhead-turned-raver. The psychedelic Dionysean Light was introduced to so many people before Acid House began in the 80's... also, the whole "cyberhippie" phenom grew out of Deadhead Taper geeks and those of us who blathered on endlessly about Tapes and Tours via the pre-Web internet (geez, just look at the history of the WELL)! Acid Test, indeed! =) But, with the exception of some true believer-Heads, the GD scene had become so chock full of posers and "theme park hippies in costume" (as pointed out in the book Generation X), it seems Rave allows for much more genuine cultural growth, with an appeal that ranges far beyond the patouli-wearin' masses that followed the Dead. For instance, it's a lot easier for a Club Kid to accidently "see the light" at a rave, because a real rave is not so far a leap from the club scenes they are used to. But mention the Dead to some of these kids, and they may poo-poo it as so much hippy-dippy bullshit that their parents were into (ugh!). Just another positive cultural effect of the digital revoIution, IMO. Indeed, we ARE everywhere, and I too am Grateful. =) "Wake now, discover that you are the sun that the morning brings." -John On Wed, 1 May 1996, Andrew Nourse wrote: > I'm sure he had seen it before, which is probably why he had followed the Dead. > They showed millions of us that music was for dancing to, and so much more. > > Raves give us another place to dance for hours and hours with wonderful > people. For that I am truely Grateful. So, evidently, is your friend. > > We are Everywhere. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 09:40:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA10822; Thu, 2 May 1996 09:40:06 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA10816; Thu, 2 May 1996 09:40:04 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA01821 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 May 1996 09:39:36 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA01734; Thu, 2 May 1996 09:39:56 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08475; Thu, 2 May 1996 09:30:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:30:47 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Maureen Garrett From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: F-8 beach party review Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thank you so much for voicing your concerns, Maureen! I, too, helped collect some litter, and was amazed that only a small handful of individuals were doing the same. I wish I had met you that night, so if nothing else we could have been a clean-up crew. Whenever I visit a beautiful natural wonderland, such as that beach, I take nothing but memories and leave nothing but footprints. I even kept candy wrappers and the like in my pockets till I got home! I encourage everyone to help remove our presence from the areas we use to celebrate life, because littering helps to destroy life. Thanks again. Much love to all, - Eric P. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 10:12:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA13990; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:12:49 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA13983; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:12:46 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA03521 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 May 1996 10:12:16 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA05072; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:12:37 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA19186; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:12:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:12:34 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Matt Kodama From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Rave data reasoning Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> Over the past few days ravedata has been receiving alot of slack and I > ^^^^^ >since when is slack a bad thing??? >slack off - quit your job! >give me slack, or give me food, or kill me! >matt. I think flak was the intended term, not slack. - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 10:13:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA14131; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:13:44 -0700 Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA14122; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:13:40 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA00612 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 2 May 1996 13:13:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 13:13:08 -0400 Message-ID: <960502131307_482774524@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: This wknd-CABIN TRIP 2!! :)x< Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk With a plethora of excellent options on where to put your body this weekend, allow me to throw one more in the hat...... :)x< : )x< CABIN TRIP TOO!! - THIS FRI/SAT/SUN :)x< :)x< Join us for a fun filled weekend in South Lake. There are 3 or 4 spaces left. HERE'S THE SKINNY: This FRI, SAT, SUN. * 15-20 peoples in a 2BD/2ba cabin W/HOT TUB, * not neccesarily an SFR event-a MIXED GROUP of good, peacefull & fun, raver & non(yet) raver folks, * TURNTABLES yes, but a small sound system w/annonymous D.J.s, * MIXED MUSIC: house, alt., gen x retro goodies, ambi, and a taste of GOA compliments of J-Sun back home from Savannah, * bring yer rekkids & discuses * really cool LIGHTING, lil lasers, and more by NUTRALIGHT * CHEAP!: $15-20/person, * communal din din saturNIGHT * snowbarding optional saturDAY * new and improved-easy to use-failsafe DIRECTIONS * Last one went off like mad!!! (Sorry no naked Moonpuppys this time : [ ) DETAILS: No need to send check, however NEED DEFINITE RESPONSES ASAP (first replies get the goose, sorry I have not organized this very well and wish we had more space), check with your mates, yer mom, yer psychic, whatever, but make sure you'll be able to go FER SHER, then send me email WITH YOUR PHONE #'S stating "Yes Steveo! I Wouldn't Miss It For The World!, Sign Me Up!" or call me @800.388.8890 ext.777 before 4PM or after 10pm@916.443.8225. Love, Love, Love, Steve From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 10:15:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA14578; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:15:49 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA14566; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:15:43 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA26137 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:15:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:15:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Melissa Wong To: sfraves Subject: A law students reply to "Narcs" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! With all the confusion about narcs recently I e-mailed my friend Erin, who some of you might know, and asked him what he knew on the subject. Here's his reply: Melissa, I just read your message about Narcs. As a lawyer-to-be, I think I should respond. The entrapment defense very rarely works, and it is highly unlikely that just by asking whether someone is a narc would do it. There are two ways to establish the entrapment defense: 1. Show that the government's actions were so outrageous as to make a conviction unjust. To my knowledge, this approach has only worked once. The defendant had shown some interest in kiddie porn in the past, but all indications were that he had reformed. The government mailed him kiddie porn catalogs continuously over a five year period, until he finally gave in and ordered something. This was considered so outrageous by the Supreme Court as to warrant an acquittal. 2. Show that, prior to the government's actions, the defendant was not predisposed to commit the crime. The danger of this defense is that, once it is raise, the defendant's character becomes an issue, and the prosecution can bring in evidence of prior convictions and other things that they otherwise could not. For instance, one stay in rehab in the past may be enough to kill the defense. Even with a clean record, though, this defense is hard. In the average buying situation, the mere fact that a narc whispered "kind buds" as you walked by would not give you entrapment. Only if you could show that the narc had to talk a reluctant buyer into buying could you establish the defense, and it would take a lot of cajoling by the narc to show this. If you are a seller, the mere fact that you are carrying salable quantities would kill the entrapment defense. I just thought everyone should be clear on this. Courts hate the entrapment defense, and it only works in outrageous situations. The fact that a narc denies that he is a narc does not qualify. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 10:18:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA14752; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:18:07 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA14744; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:18:05 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA03758 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 May 1996 10:17:31 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA05531; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:17:52 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA20144; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:17:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:17:49 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: David Ginsberg From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Friends Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Remember, everyone, that the word "friend" ends in e-n-d, for true friendships never end. Corny but sincere, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 10:21:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15195; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:21:40 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15188; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:21:37 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id KAA16387; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:21:25 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:21:19 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: How to finish a fight. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 8:36 PM -0700 5/1/96, John S. Lee wrote: >So bring the noise...if your shit is all that, buck up. I guarantee a >dance hurting the likes that'll send you back home to momma. > >C'mon wit' it, >John Ah...John Lee makes me smile! :^) Maybe one day I'll meet the man... TR From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 10:22:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15368; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:22:57 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15356; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:22:53 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id KAA16290; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:18:29 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:18:23 -0800 To: Branka Cehic , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Glow sticks ??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Don't know where to find glow sticks but... At 6:40 PM -0700 5/1/96, Branka Cehic wrote: >Anybody going to see Doran spin tonight? If you are come and say hi, I >would love to meet more people. >I have long, straight brown hair (sometimes I have glitter in it :P, but >not tonight, maybe at Beautiful PPl)... Hmm... don't know how to really >describe myself - there is nothing that's too specific... ah! - I have a >little gap between my teeth and I smile a lot so it's not hard to >notice. Sometimes I walk around and offer Starburst :). "...nothing that's too specific...?!" Girl, you are beautiful! and there are all kinds of things that make you specific, terrific, balistic, dope-istic, maybe prolific?, and an all around cool woman! Allow me to add that she will turn when called the "Croatian Sensation", she's outgoing, friendly, has a funny accent, and is about 5'5". Plus, she's hella cool. ;^) Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 11:04:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA20028; Thu, 2 May 1996 11:04:47 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA20012; Thu, 2 May 1996 11:04:41 -0700 Received: (from dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id LAA06851; Thu, 2 May 1996 11:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:04:32 -0700 (PDT) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: all together now => sunset Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk man, there is just no way you can tell what's going on in someone else's head. you may guess and be right some of the time, or get a rough idea what ballpark they're playing in, but I don't care how clever you think you are, how keen your skills of perception have been tuned, whether you're a lover or a psychic, there is just no way you can be certain what's going on in someone else's head. I talked to this person this weekend. her name's Kristen. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 11:05:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA20113; Thu, 2 May 1996 11:05:40 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA20105; Thu, 2 May 1996 11:05:35 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA12446; Thu, 2 May 1996 11:05:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:05:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Tony Rotundo cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: How to finish a fight. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 2 May 1996, Tony Rotundo wrote: > At 8:36 PM -0700 5/1/96, John S. Lee wrote: > > >So bring the noise...if your shit is all that, buck up. I guarantee a > >dance hurting the likes that'll send you back home to momma. > > > >C'mon wit' it, > >John > > Ah...John Lee makes me smile! :^) > > Maybe one day I'll meet the man... > Didn't you know John S. Lee is an Artifical Intelligence?(now there's a twisted thought....) ;-) Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 12:10:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA26663; Thu, 2 May 1996 12:10:33 -0700 Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA26642; Thu, 2 May 1996 12:10:25 -0700 Received: from inanna.ccnet.com (h97-110.ccnet.com [192.215.97.110]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA23251; Thu, 2 May 1996 12:04:33 -0700 Message-ID: <318909AE.47E3@ccnet.com> Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 12:14:54 -0700 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John S. Lee" CC: Nancy , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Traci Lords Reply (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey you two. Stop that! Its a desert topping AND a floor wax=85=85 Pornography is objectification. (That is the whole *idea*,) Will-power, common sense, personal mores, self-control, a conscience; = whatever you label that special part of a persons soul that helps us to = decide what is right and what is wrong determines whether or not people = commit acts of violence or kindness to others, NOT how much = pornography/violence a person watches. Conversely, you can listen to = inspirational Pat Robertson speeches and go to church regularly and that = is still no guarantee that you will be able to stifle the urge to insult = the fast food clerk that gets your MacMeal order wrong=85..No, its all = about making choices on how to act according to the societal rules you = grew up with. If we want a society of respect, we have to BEHAVE = respectfully as an example of all. " (There was a time when I couldn't look at no woman, less massah either hang me or kill me. Now that those days are over, I intend to do some extra looking for all those brothers who couldn't). " John! Get over it. The past is the past. There is no reason to ogle = people just to prove a point. John, you spend a bunch of time writing "He" and "She" when you could be = saying "s/he" or something like that to indicate the inter-changability = of gender. (You frequently fall into the tired, old and so out-dated = stereotypes about women and men.) Peace, ((or maybe we don=92t need any right now?) (Oh I know, I=92ll end = this note with "regards.")) Regards, Diana From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 12:49:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA00600; Thu, 2 May 1996 12:49:42 -0700 Received: from mvgate.isinc.insignia.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA00591; Thu, 2 May 1996 12:49:38 -0700 X-Address: Insignia Solutions Inc., 2200 Lawson Lane, Santa Clara, CA.95054 X-Telephone: +1 408 327 6000 X-Fax: +1 408 327 6105 Received: from Tim.isinc.insignia.com ([205.231.223.101]) by mvgate.isinc.insignia.com (5.65c8/UK-2.1.ISL) with SMTP id AA09025; Thu, 2 May 1996 12:47:27 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960502195213.006810fc@email.org> X-Sender: knucklehead@email.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 12:52:13 -0700 To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Tim (Knucklehead)" Subject: Folding tables for Saturday Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just wanting to ask those of you that plan to goto the Big BBQ Party Saturday if any of you have 1 or 2 folding tables that can be used to set food on. Please let me know, thanks. Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 13:10:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA02735; Thu, 2 May 1996 13:10:35 -0700 Received: from hopf.dnai.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA02721; Thu, 2 May 1996 13:10:27 -0700 Received: from wwmsilk (d-110.sj.dnai.com [198.68.140.110]) by hopf.dnai.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA29480 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 13:06:49 -0700 Message-ID: <31891685.A9E@dnai.com> Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 13:09:41 -0700 From: Silky Organization: Spider Web Designs X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Buried in Mail..... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey fellow spirits! I've been in class all week for NT Server 3.51 .. Yeah, I know .. Big deal! BUT, like a doof, I haven't checked my mail in over a week .. Too many messages .. Close to 700 total. If someone could be so kind and summarize where we are on doing a south bay event, I'd be so stoked .... In the meantime .. I've got a lotta catching up to do!!!! Empathy to all!!!! Dave -- *********************************************** * MM MM EEEEEEE A NN NN * * MMM MMM EE A A NNN NN * * MMMM MMMM EEEEE A A NN N NN * * MM MM MM EEEEE AAAAAAA NN N NN * * MM MM MM EE A A NN NNN * * MM MM MM EEEEEEE A A NN NN * * P E O P L E * *SUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCK * *UCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKS * *CKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSU * *KSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUCKSUC * *********************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 14:43:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA13014; Thu, 2 May 1996 14:43:04 -0700 Received: from jeeves.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA13003; Thu, 2 May 1996 14:43:01 -0700 Received: from duckman.usfca.edu (duckman.usfca.edu [138.202.32.151]) by jeeves.usfca.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13445 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 14:36:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:36:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199605022136.OAA13445@jeeves.usfca.edu> X-Sender: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) Subject: Re: How to finish a fight. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On Thu, 2 May 1996, Tony Rotundo wrote: > >> At 8:36 PM -0700 5/1/96, John S. Lee wrote: >> >> >So bring the noise...if your shit is all that, buck up. I guarantee a >> >dance hurting the likes that'll send you back home to momma. >> > >> >C'mon wit' it, >> >John >> >> Ah...John Lee makes me smile! :^) >> >> Maybe one day I'll meet the man... >> > >Didn't you know John S. Lee is an Artifical Intelligence?(now there's a >twisted thought....) ;-) Actually, Moonpup _and_ John are replicants. Just a lil' note from the Blade Runner department, Jake Who's bullshit presentation will be OVER in 30 minutes. YYYYAAAYYY!!!!! Jake Reichert | I used to be indecisive/ reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu | But now I'm not so sure... | -The The -------------------------------------------------------------------- "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES" B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------ The Happy Family A=====================================V Bulgarian Voices | Pixies | | | ____ | Bauhaus | Frazier Chorus | /| | /\ | | \ | Michael Brook | Spirea X | / | | / \ | | \ | The Breeders | Colourbox | / | | / \ | | | | Dead Can Dance | Dif Juz | /___| | /______\ | | | | Throwing Muses | The The | | | / \ | | / | Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema | | | / \ | |___ / | Cocteau Twins | Liquorice A=====================================M Lisa Germano | M|A|R|R|S X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides | The Birthday Party A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch | C.V.O | Air Miami Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks | Lisa Gerrard | Last Dance | Lush Modern English | Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde | This Mortal Coil The Wolfgang Press | Richenel | His Name Is Alive | Pale Saints The Glee Club --------------------------------- Colin Newman "LONELY IS AN EYESORE" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 14:51:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA13901; Thu, 2 May 1996 14:51:38 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA13896; Thu, 2 May 1996 14:51:35 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA10997; Thu, 2 May 1996 14:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA10305; Thu, 2 May 1996 14:49:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Glow sticks ??? To: Branka Cehic cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 1 May 1996, Branka Cehic wrote: > > Hey, hey! > > Another weekend is almost here :) and doesn't it sound wonderful... > > I was wondering if anybody knows where I could buy glow sticks. I just > love those things :). I live in SF, but work in South Bay so anywhere in > between would be cool (I could get them before Fri night). I've found glow sticks at Toys-R-Us (plus lots of other cool things like play dough and flourescent markers!!). Anywhere that sells kids toys will most likely have them!! :) :) kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 14:54:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA14341; Thu, 2 May 1996 14:54:46 -0700 Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14306; Thu, 2 May 1996 14:54:39 -0700 From: TKagnoff@aol.com Received: by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA29200 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 2 May 1996 17:54:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 17:54:06 -0400 Message-ID: <960502175404_526718272@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: attn: Kristen, i lost your address for the Goa tape! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i accidently cashed your check b4 writing down your address from it. please email me your address so i can mail your Goa mix tape to you immeadiately. -theron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 15:11:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA16778; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:11:17 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA16769; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:11:10 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA10346; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA14850; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:07:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: (NRR) re: Traci Lords To: Andrew Nourse cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <19960502061638.AAA23226@[204.119.89.82]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 1 May 1996, Andrew Nourse wrote: > > > I will support erotica and writings and > >photography from women - a sexuality that is beautiful, arousing, and > equitable. > > I would hope that something like this could also be created by men, or even > by men > and women working together. I'd love to see more of it in any case, whoever > does it. Since this whole pornography issue is still going on, I thought I'd tell everyone where they can get a variety of pornography/erotica that is very sensitive to every *issue*. The store is Good Vibrations (both in SF and Berkeley and by mail order). It is a worker-owned and operated cooperative, founded by women. There is a whole pornography (I am not distingishing between pornography and erotica because words are only words) section that has sub-categories such as "woman centered", gay, lesbian, bisexual, superstar, etc. etc. There are reviews of every tape, and enough variey for all porn aficcionados. I really don't want to jump into Good Vibe's views on porn, but they approach it in a sensitive, sex-positive view. (if you want to talk to me about it, email me privately). We are very lucky to have Good Vibe's in SF, and they are respectful of all sexualities and genders. I'm sure many of you already know this, but those of you who don't, you should check it out sometime! --kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 15:16:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA17456; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:16:58 -0700 Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA17447; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:16:55 -0700 Received: (from mist@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA03113; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: JOSHUA MICHAEL ABERANT X-Sender: mist@pluto To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: ride to picnic party? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey kiddos- does anybody have room for 1 or 2 extra sf people? we have gas money and whatever else. thanx luv sarah From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 15:55:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21164; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:55:06 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21147; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:55:01 -0700 Received: from [128.32.205.209] (cc209.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.209]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA07451 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:54:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:54:59 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: ride? was: Re: BSP/SFR Calendar Event Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is anyone from Berkeley/Oakland going who might have rom for an extra in their car? I'm thinking about checking this out... call or e-mail me. -m. >On May 4th, we'd like to play in the sun and gather for a free outdoor >daytime BBQ and Beats Picnic Party. We'll start things off at noon and go >until 8:30 or so. ... >This will be sort of like a pot luck, so bring your favorite foods >to share with others. Call 415.525.5o52 for directions. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 664-1026 | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 16:10:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA22760; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:10:30 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA22744; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:10:25 -0700 Received: from well (cubensis@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA08752; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:09:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:09:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bagby Subject: Re: (NRR) re: Traci Lords To: KaySEE cc: Andrew Nourse , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Once again, on a different topic... I concur with Andy! Laura Miller of Good Vibrations is a fellow WELLbeing-- goodvibe@well.com Their shop and catalog helps promote love and sensuality without judgement or exploitation. Check it out! And no sissor-kicks! =) -John On Thu, 2 May 1996, KaySEE wrote: > On Wed, 1 May 1996, Andrew Nourse wrote: > > > > > > I will support erotica and writings and > > >photography from women - a sexuality that is beautiful, arousing, and > > equitable. > > > > I would hope that something like this could also be created by men, or even > > by men > > and women working together. I'd love to see more of it in any case, whoever > > does it. > > Since this whole pornography issue is still going on, I thought I'd tell > everyone where they can get a variety of pornography/erotica that is very > sensitive to every *issue*. The store is Good Vibrations (both in SF and > Berkeley and by mail order). It is a worker-owned and operated > cooperative, founded by women. There is a whole pornography (I am not > distingishing between pornography and erotica because words are only > words) section that has sub-categories such as "woman centered", gay, > lesbian, bisexual, superstar, etc. etc. There are reviews of every tape, > and enough variey for all porn aficcionados. I really don't want to jump > into Good Vibe's views on porn, but they approach it in a sensitive, > sex-positive view. (if you want to talk to me about it, email me > privately). We are very lucky to have Good Vibe's in SF, and they are > respectful of all sexualities and genders. I'm sure many of you already > know this, but those of you who don't, you should check it out sometime! > > --kc > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 16:24:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23949; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:24:56 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23933; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:24:50 -0700 From: Derek Chung Message-Id: <199605022324.QAA23933@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 19655 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This week I'm pleased to announce a new web site I've been working on with a few other people. The magazine, Late Train, is dedicated to the late night life. Of special interest to SFR subscribers is the search interface to the SFR calendar - you can retrieve party and club info based on genre, age limit, price, location, DJ, etc; you can also retrieve listings for just the current day or week, or for any particular day in the past or future. Also in the site is a database of 24-hour and other late night restaurants, stores and services, so you can find out where to go before and after events. We have some photo work, reviews, and other articles in there, and we're working on more. The URL for Late Train is http://www.hyperreal.com/zines/late/. To get to the search engine for the calendar, navigate to SF, then clubs. To get to the 24-hour listings, navigate to SF, then 24-7, or the diner. To get involved with the magazine, check out the info section linked to the home page. THE SFR CALENDAR http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Friday, May 3rd - Bagok Tribe presents Xochipilli James Christian, That Kid Chris, John Howard, Sausee, Dreamer and Pat Allen (2x4), Soulstice (live). 415.437.6905 510.674.8663 Friday, May 3rd - Harmony presents _Beautiful People_ Trent, Ethan, Greg, Deaks, Graeme, Shilo Maggi, special guest. limited capacity of 800 people. 9pm-. SF. 408.486.9591 408.450.3044 Friday, May 3rd - _kit kat_ Jay-J, Eric Lacey, Jellybear. 9pm-, 21+. Club 181, 181 Eddy St, SF. Saturday, May 4th - Wicked Markie, Garth, Jeno, Thomas. 11pm-8am, 21+, $15. SF. 415.512.5713 Saturday, May 4th - _Down To Earth_ Galen, John Howard, Solar. 415.985.7109 Saturday, May 4th - _Lettuce Dance 3_ Astronaut Scott, Lucas, Mars, Jeff, Jesse (Delta 9). The Sea of Tranquility 408.427.4501 Saturday, May 4th - _Contribute_ Simon, Tony, Josh, Billy, Astral Matrix. Visuals by Dimension Se7en. Proceeds donated to the Julie Fena Lavulo transplants fund. 18+. 415.794.3134 Saturday, May 4th - _BBQ & Beats Picnic Party_ Jonathan, Joe Rice, BioJeff, LeLe, Tom, Ethan. limited amount of BBQ food provided, please bring some to share. 12noon-8:30pm, All ages, Free. 415.525.5052 Friday, May 10th - _Something Free_ Ethan, Le Le, Tom, Dan Barnes. Free. 415.525.5052 Friday, May 10th - Rain Dance Productions presents _Building Blocks_ Garth, Carlos, Mark Farina, Tom, Spun, Woolove, Harry Who?. 408.425.3316 415.965.5045 510.889.2922 Friday, May 10th - _The Happening_ Tomas Trouble, Donald Glaude, DRC, Pat (UK), Matthew Gadfathr. advance tix at Ameba & Primal Records 415.267.3927 510.464.5985 Friday, May 10th - _Funky Tekno Tribe vs Goldie & the Metalheadz_ Goldie, Doc Scott, Graeme, DJ Dan, Markie, Raymond Roker , Professor Smith. 10pm-, 21+. 525 Harrison, SF. 415.266.8215 Friday, May 10th - the b.a.s.s. kru presents Bass Instinct A Drum and Bass Celebration Thad, Stareyes, Abstract, Flux, Noel, Tomas. Free mix tapes for the first eighty people 415.332.5800x247 Saturday, May 11st - _The Happening_ outdoor party - 1/2 price to attendees of the 5.10.96 Happening 415.267.3927 510.464.5985 Saturday, May 11st - GK Productions/FunkyBeat presents _Experience_ Dutch, Christophe, Mystr-E, Ivo, Max Factor, Jin, Nam, Spinner, Blesed, Essence, Paucus. 510.980.8861 415.605.1915 408.488.1350 Saturday, May 11st - _madness_ Ethan, Alex Windsor, Jon Santos, Joe Rice, Peter Lazonby. Friday, May 17th - King St Garage Anita, Patrick, David Harness. 10pm-, 21+, $4. King St Garage, 174 King St @ 3rd., SF. 415.522.6887 Friday, May 17th - Ultra 5 presents _Smarties _ Pierre (NYC), Eric Davenport, Barry Weaver, DJ Dan, Jeno, Kimo. 9pm-7am, . 800.204.3986 415.437.5503 408.345.2399 916.484.4006 Saturday, May 18th - Origin presents _Liquid Sky Music west coast tour_ Teri Bristol (Miss Thing), Reese (NYC), Markie, Simon, Garth, Rob Doten. Virgin location, free water and organic food. 415.675.5605 408.236.3398 415.541.5646 916.484.4213 Saturday, May 18th - SqUAreOne presents _Fresh Start_ Karizma, Rig-A-Tony, Lego, Pelican Boy, Dr. Jimmy Zimms, special guest. discount for May Babies w/i.d. $10. SF. 415.263.3987 Saturday, May 18th - Spundae presents _Space Teddy_ Keoki, DJ Dan, Mystr-E, Mars, Jon Santos, David Michael. 415.764.2922 Friday, May 24th - Space Children & In-Touch presents _Open Space_ A1 (Texas), DJ Dan, Donald Glaude, Graeme, Cesar, Radley. 415.267.3916 510.433.7216 408.327.9277 916.554.7177 Saturday, May 25th - _Funky Tekno Tribe_ Graeme, DJ Dan, Simon, Tony, Galen, Jon Williams, special guests. 415.266.8215 415.266.9215 Saturday, May 25th - _a higher state of freedom_ andre lucero, taj, galen, sean murray, goura candra. Free. 415.303.5336 Sunday, May 26th - _Spundae_ John Aquaviva, Jon Williams, Simon, Henrik, Tony, Felix, David Michael, Kimball Collins, Mark Lewis, DJ Dan, Carlos, Miquel, Pete Avila, David Harness. Visuals by Dimension Se7en. 9pm-8am, 21+. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.974.9389 Friday, May 31st - _Needles_ Barry Weaver, Donald Glaude, Chris Flores, Karizma, Dutch, Matthew, Miah, Stevie, Vibes, Flash, Dennis, Rockit, Filip, Scot, Carlos Campos. runs all weekend (thru 6/2) 415.313.7107 916.440.2707 Saturday, June 1st - _Tribal Future Big Mountain Boogie_ Tony, Carlos, Josh, John Howard, Tracy, Galen, Solar, Alex Windsor, Alika, Abstract, Pollywog, Dan Barnes, Allen, Andrew, Nathan, DJ Crack. runs from noon Saturday until midnight or later Sunday. tix at Ameba and Primal. $20. Willits. 415.750.9368 Wednesday, August 28th - Burning Man 1996 includes Wicked Sound System. save $10 by registering by June 1st. runs entire weekend, through September 2nd. All ages, $35. Black Rock Desert, Nevada. 415.985.7471 _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... Thursday Lift - House w/DJs David Harness, Aaron O, Jay-J, Black, guests. 12mid-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma, SF. 415.267.5984 Velvet Shop - House, Techno. call for location 21+, $5. 4th St Bowl, , SJ. 408.235.1556 _Azul_ - House, Soul w/DJs Alfie, James. 21+, Free. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF. Full House - Acid Jazz, House w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen, Andrew Rawnsley, Bruno Ybarra, guests, live musicians. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. Miss Pearl's Jam House, Eddy & Larkin, SF. Pack-a-Bowl - "We'll be droppin the wax while you're droppin the balls" w/DJs Mars, Tracy, guests. 8:30pm-2am, $6. Park Bowl, Haight @ Stanyan, SF. 415.541.5019 _Diversity_ - jungle, trance. Every other Thursday 18+, $5. , Sacramento 916.203.TRIP .blitz - foxyboysfancygirlsfreshmademixes begins April 4th 21+. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. _Le Jazz Hot!_ - future sounds for jazz heads w/DJs Andrew Jervis, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Nickies BBQ, 460 Haight, SF. 415.621.6508 _Real_ - house, techno. every first Thursday of the month 9pm-2am, 18+, $7. Pantages Theater, 1225 K St Mall, Sacramento. 916.565.9588 _Revolutionary Wax_ - coax your evolutionary ass w/DJs Consuelo Kevin, John John (Open Mind), James (Tweekin). 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th St, SF. 415.252.7740 _Green_ - house, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 10pm-2am, 18+. the top of the Wharf Cafe, the end of the Santa Cruz Wharf, Santa Cruz. Friday _ Sound Factory _- House w/DJs Pete Avila, David Harness, guets. 9:30pm-7am, 21+, $10. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Soul'd Out_ - House w/DJs Julius Papp, Rick Preston, guests. free before 10:30 9pm-, 21+, $5. The Usual, 400 S.1st St., San Jose. _Nocturnal Transmission_ - House w/DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez, Saint John, guests. $5 before midnight. 11pm-5am, 21+, $10. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.957.1730 _Go Fast_ - Techno. Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come too). 10pm-. 8th & Minna, SF. _Liquid Fridays_ - House w/DJs various DJs. 10pm-2am, 18+, Free. 2721 Broadway, Sacramento., Sacramento. 916.484.4285 _Viva_ - ...setting san francisco on fire! w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Jamie J, guest. free before 10:30 w/flyer 9:30pm-4am, 21+, $7. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. the green door - "where circles meet squares" w/DJs andrew, thomas, caspar, paul, felix the dog, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $7. 880 Stevenson @ 10th, SF. _Nikita_ - house, techno w/DJs Jeno, Simon, Henrik. 10pm-7am, 21+, $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568 [5.3 - Carl Craig] [5.10 - Deep Dish] [5.31 - Juan Atkins] [6.7 - DJ Duke] [6.14 - Westbam, Hardsequencer] [6.21 - CJ Mackintosh] [6.28 - Derrick May] _The Scene_ - 21+. the EndUp, 401 6th @ Harrison, SF. 415.393.9067 _drum & bass trip hop_ - jungle, trip hop w/DJs Noel, Abstract, Andrew, Seth. begins March 29th 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 270 Brannan @ 2nd, SF. 415.905.8865 _Beats_ - house, breakbeat, trance w/DJs Carlos Campos, Karizma, weekly guests. 7042 Folsom Blvd between Howe and 65th, Sacramento. 415.273.1345 916.558.0850 _This Side Up_ - house, techno w/DJs guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. Saturday _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady, Nikki Rivera, guests. saturday morning 6am-, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF. _Sound Factory _- big club sounds 9:30pm-4am, 21+. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr. Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457 55 - House, Euro w/DJs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez, guests. 21+. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.267.1858 _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights. 10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903 Vertigo - Psycho, Techno, Disco, Funk w/DJs Nikki Rivera, Ellen Ferrato, Dave Peterson, Lewis. 10pm-3am, 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. 415.703.7172 _Consciousness Lab Ambient Sound Research_ - ambient. live and pre-recorded ambient soundscapes 7pm-11pm, . RAW Living Foods, 1224 9th @ Lincoln, SF. 415.789.8308 _Liquid Vinyl_ - House w/DJs Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard, guests. 2am-6am, 21+, $8. DV8, 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730 _Nuff Respect _- Jungle w/DJs StarEyes, Thad. 5pm-9pm, Free. Your Mama's Cafe, 5239 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland, Oakland. 510.601.YOUR phunkatech - Jungle w/DJs UFO, Noel, guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.995.4699 _Metro Jazz _- Acid Jazz w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Mauricio Avilas, Tom Thump, Franky, guests. 10pm-, 21+, $7. 111 Minna St, SF. [5.4 - Andrew Jervis (on the one)] Sunday the Sci-fi Club - hypersentientpsychedelictribalacidcybertrance w/DJs Dutch, DRC, Mars, Theta Blip, Solar, guests. Free food and Funky vibes in The Juicy Milk Bar (Ameba DJ team + guests) 18+. 683 Clementina @ 8th & Folsom, SF. 415.331.1500x888 _Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel, weekly guests. free b4 10:30p 10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389 _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore, SF. 415.771.2583 _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B, guests. 21+. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256 Quench - House, Ambient w/DJs Rick Preston, Ryan Tapia, guests. Ambient-Space explorations by DJ Leath and guests in the front room. 21+. The Usual, 400 South First St., San Jose. 408.535.0330 _Techsture_ - deep layers of sound w/DJs tomas, markus, guests. 8pm-12mid, All ages, Free. cafe abir, 1300 Fulton @ Divisadero, SF. 415.974.4358 subbass - jungle, drum'n'bass, trip hop w/DJs noel, abstract, jawbone. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 270 Brannan @ 2nd, SF. 415.905.8865 Monday Mushroom Jazz - acid jazz, trip hop w/DJs Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius Papp, guests. 9pm-3am, 21+, $5. 330 Ritch St, SF. 415.905.8811 _Noc Noc_ - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJs Mohsen. 21+, Free. 557 Haight St., SF. MAD - Techno, Trance & Electro w/DJs Ethan, Alex, Jon Santos, Joe Rice, guests. $2 before 11pm. 10pm-, 21+, $3. , SF 415.281.9432 _Tongue n' Groove _- trip hop, jungle, acid jazz w/DJs tomas, seth, m.mark, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. Cat's Grill & Alley, 1190 Folsom @ 8th, SF. 415.431.3332 _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu, stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151 Folsom St, SF. _sensory_ - abstractbeatz-hiphop-dub-drum n'bass-electro w/DJs Tomas, Abstract, guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.974.4358 _Movement_ - trance, breakbeat, jungle w/DJs Ron, Kimo, Rich. 10pm-2am, 18+, $3. Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market @ Franklin, SF. Tuesday Butterfly - Hip Hop, Acid Jazz, House, Funk w/DJs Charlotte, Dani, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $2. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF. Breathe Deep - House w/DJs Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. 1015 Folsom., SF. 415.998.9515 _Begin..._ - house, trip hop, trance w/DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley, Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, Anna. 9pm-2am, All ages. The Inn of the Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati, Cotati. 707.524.4443 _Kinetic_ - Phil Salter, guests. 21+, $5. 2325 clayton road, concord. 510.946.5005 _Shoam_ - Trip-Hop & Drum n Bass Your Mama's Cafe, 5239 College, Oakland. _Succotash!_ - tasty jazz - funk - beats - space w/DJs tom thump, rasta q-tip. 21+, Free. up & down club, 1151 folsom st., SF. _supper_ - funk, acid jazz w/DJs Caspar, guests. 21+, Free. Julie's Supper Club, 1123 Folsom @ 7th, SF. 415.861.0707 _Light-n-Up Lounge_ - house w/DJs Preston, guests. 21+. 111 Minna St, SF. [5.7 - Big Lee] [5.14 - Mark Farina] _L-Tryptophan_ - ambient, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 21+, Free. 1624 California @ Van Ness, SF. Wednesday _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first Wednesday of the month. 10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815 _Boost_ - old school uplifting house w/DJs Jamie J, Hector the ejector. 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. 415.703.7105 _Roots_ - House, Trip Hop w/DJs Garth, Jeno, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $6. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.512.5713 _cosmic lounge _- space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle w/DJs Caspar, Paul, Seth, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF. _Reunion_ - Danny, Naz Cafe, guests. 9pm-, 21+, Free. The Fulton Bar, 1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332 _Quantum_ - trance w/DJs Myster-e, Mars, guests. $3. tHE pOWERhOUSE, 1347 fOLSOM. 415.861.1833 _Thirsty_ - tasty house tunes and even better company w/DJs Jellybear, Jay-J, top notch guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _The Lounge_ - 9pm-3am, 21+. 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.922.8041x4240 _Bubbles_ - deep funky techno house music w/DJs Don Crisp (Crisp Records), guests. starts May 1. 9pm-2am, 21+. Babylon, 2260 Van Ness @ Vallejo, SF. 415.567.1222 _Wish_ - techno, house w/DJs guests weekly. Lighting by EyeTribe 18+. Bahia, 1600 Market St, SF. 415.436.0663 [5.8 - Dutch] [5.15 - Henrik] [5.22 - Grover] _Belief_ - house w/DJs Julius Papp, Harry Who?, Rick Preston. begins 5.22. 10pm-, 21+. Agenda basement, 1st & San Salvador, San Jose. _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Fatline - 415.207.3668 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.568.1338 * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Sunday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. KZSU 90.1 (Stanford) * Monday afternoon 12:30-3:00 pm - DJ Jerecho presents the best of the urban polyrhythmic experience jungle, acid jazz, techno, electro, breakbeat KDVS, 90.3 FM (Davis) * Wednesday night/Thursday morning 3am-6am - "Aural Fixation" experimental sounds of ambient and trip hop with a splash of hi nrg, from trance to jungle. KZSC 88.1 fm (Santa Cruz) * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" Beats and atmospherics w/DJ Seth. KALX 90.7 (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Ambient, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, Acid Jazz and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@flux.net * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF) * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1 KMEL. * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday night - "Saturday Night Spin Out" w/Ronnie Libido. Trip hop, Jungle, Ambient, Experimental Sounds. 10pm-2am. KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with either the line subscribe sfraves-calendar or unsubscribe sfraves-calendar There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with the line subscribe sfraves in the body of the message. Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 16:46:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26118; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:46:18 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26105; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:46:16 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA02644; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:46:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:46:07 -0700 (PDT) To: Jake Reichert cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: How to finish a fight. In-Reply-To: <199605022136.OAA13445@jeeves.usfca.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 2 May 1996, Jake Reichert wrote: > >On Thu, 2 May 1996, Tony Rotundo wrote: > > > >> At 8:36 PM -0700 5/1/96, John S. Lee wrote: > >> > >> >So bring the noise...if your shit is all that, buck up. I guarantee a > >> >dance hurting the likes that'll send you back home to momma. > >> > > >> >C'mon wit' it, > >> >John > >> > >> Ah...John Lee makes me smile! :^) > >> > >> Maybe one day I'll meet the man... > >> > > > >Didn't you know John S. Lee is an Artifical Intelligence?(now there's a > >twisted thought....) ;-) > > Actually, Moonpup _and_ John are replicants. > > Just a lil' note from the Blade Runner department, > Then who are the aliens, and where's Waldo? Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 16:46:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26165; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:46:37 -0700 Received: from cyberE.creative.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26158; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:46:34 -0700 Received: from [204.71.217.28] (port28.creative.net [204.71.217.28]) by cyberE.creative.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21658; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605022341.QAA21658@cyberE.creative.net> X-Sender: bigz@creative.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: John Bagby , KaySEE From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) Subject: Re: (NRR) re: Traci Lords Cc: Andrew Nourse , sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On the subject of Laura Miller, I had to interview her last year for an interactive travel guide (to sf) that I was working on. I must say I've never heard anyone discuss the merits of various vibrators as elegantly as she can. :-) Jon At 4:09 PM 5/2/96 -0700, John Bagby wrote: >Once again, on a different topic... I concur with Andy! >Laura Miller of Good Vibrations is a fellow WELLbeing-- goodvibe@well.com > >Their shop and catalog helps promote love and sensuality without >judgement or exploitation. > >Check it out! And no sissor-kicks! =) >-John > > >On Thu, 2 May 1996, KaySEE wrote: > >> On Wed, 1 May 1996, Andrew Nourse wrote: >> >> > >> > > I will support erotica and writings and >> > >photography from women - a sexuality that is beautiful, arousing, and >> > equitable. >> > >> > I would hope that something like this could also be created by men, or even >> > by men >> > and women working together. I'd love to see more of it in any case, >>whoever >> > does it. >> >> Since this whole pornography issue is still going on, I thought I'd tell >> everyone where they can get a variety of pornography/erotica that is very >> sensitive to every *issue*. The store is Good Vibrations (both in SF and >> Berkeley and by mail order). It is a worker-owned and operated >> cooperative, founded by women. There is a whole pornography (I am not >> distingishing between pornography and erotica because words are only >> words) section that has sub-categories such as "woman centered", gay, >> lesbian, bisexual, superstar, etc. etc. There are reviews of every tape, >> and enough variey for all porn aficcionados. I really don't want to jump >> into Good Vibe's views on porn, but they approach it in a sensitive, >> sex-positive view. (if you want to talk to me about it, email me >> privately). We are very lucky to have Good Vibe's in SF, and they are >> respectful of all sexualities and genders. I'm sure many of you already >> know this, but those of you who don't, you should check it out sometime! >> >> --kc >> Jon Zimmerman (415)664-6645 bigz@bigz.com http://www.bigz.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 16:54:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26878; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:54:43 -0700 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26870; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:54:40 -0700 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com (federal-excess.apple.com [17.255.0.16]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA10214 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:54:31 -0700 Received: from gateway.apple.com ([17.7.4.1]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA26614 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:53:16 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 2 May 1996 16:49:49 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: Deep Dish Playing Live??? To: "sfr" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 b1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Never Mind! Just saw it on the calendar. Yeah!!! Deep Dish is Playing!!!!! Deep Dish is Playing!!!!! -M From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 16:59:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA27393; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:59:36 -0700 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27383; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:59:32 -0700 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com (federal-excess.apple.com [17.255.0.16]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA45896 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:59:23 -0700 Received: from gateway.apple.com ([17.7.4.1]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA26829 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:58:10 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 2 May 1996 16:48:26 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: Deep Dish Playing Live??? To: "sfr" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 b1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi!! heard a rumor that Deep Dish is playing possibly at Nikita in 2 weeks or so........ Can anyone confirm this??? Thanxs -M From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 17:31:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA00650; Thu, 2 May 1996 17:31:41 -0700 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA00640; Thu, 2 May 1996 17:31:35 -0700 Received: from v-site by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id RAA00353; Thu, 2 May 1996 17:31:02 -0700 Message-ID: <318953CF.5A36@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 17:31:11 -0700 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Full Moon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Full moon party by Raindance of Santa Cruz this thurs nite/ fri morn There is a party in a bar at the end of the Santa Cruz pier called Top of the Wharf you must go there before 1:30am tonight to find out what beach. Carlos , Jeno and more... -- salutations, al@abema _____________________________________ ameba 1732 haight street sf ca 94117 mailto:ameba@netcom.com http://www.ameba.com | \ 415.750.9368 | \ ===================================== | / | / From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 18:03:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA02999; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:03:14 -0700 Received: from ns.mauswerks.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA02994; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:03:12 -0700 Received: from [17.127.18.118] ([17.127.18.118]) by ns.mauswerks.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA04853 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 17:32:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199605030032.RAA04853@ns.mauswerks.com> Subject: Newsweek-Herbal E Date: Thu, 2 May 96 18:02:40 -0700 From: Ms Phink To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi people- There is a big hoopla on herbs in this week's Newsweek. It contains the ubiquitous article on Herbal E. They interviewed some youngsters who have tried it, and asked others what they think of it. They also talk about the rave culture a little bit. The article also says: "Some dealers of real Ecstasy [though] are lacing their products with heroin; savvy users look out for telltale brown specks in the pills"... They also discuss the dangers of ephedra (ma huang). I have never found it to be in the slightest bit dangerous, but I suppose there are people who have adverse reactions to everything. The FDA has recorded only 400 adverse reactions to it and 15 possible deaths. Not too bad when you consider that many more people have reactions to OTC and prescription drugs. -Amy PS- look for me at Harmony, I will wear my pink soccer shirt. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 18:11:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA03809; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:11:14 -0700 Received: from ucmsj.vatech.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA03800; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:11:11 -0700 From: tim744@silicon.email.net Received: (from mm@localhost) by ucmsj.vatech.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA19891 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:11:02 -0700 Received: by silicon.email.net (ucm/3.1) id AA01367.000; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:11:01 PDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 18:11:01 PDT Subject: BBQ Fixins Message-Id: <9605021811.S336632777@silicon.email.net> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Can I get a volunteer to bring the fixins for burgers and hot dog...(ie..mayo,mustard,ketchup..etc). Please email if you can help. Just a short list of what I will be providing myself Ribs.... for about 15 chicken...for about 15 Burgers meat and veggie about 20 or so hot dog...about 20-40 all that should feed about 30-40 people possibly more depending on how much you eat. I remember someone saying something about Tofu Dogs if the person that mentioned that can bring a few, that would be great. Also if you want a certain food to be cooked thats not listed, pleas feel free to bring it. It's a big BBQ and one side will be meats and the other side will be Veggie. Also a few people mentioned bring salads, fruit, drinks, and other picnic foods. If everyone chips in and bring alittle of something for roughly 5-10 people I think this will turn out great. If you have any questions on what to bring, pls email me and let me know. I'll be bringing paper plates and things, but if some others bring some to, that would be great. We have a killer lineup and good food, and great people. So let's make this picnic party one for the books. And I just want to add a big thanks right now for all the people helping out on this. It's great to see everyone pitching in to make this possible. Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 18:35:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA05764; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:35:02 -0700 Received: from cliff.uoknor.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA05755; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:34:59 -0700 Received: from walker0-143.reshall.uoknor.edu by cliff.uoknor.edu; Thu, 2 May 96 20:34:57 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 20:44:01 -0500 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: tthomas@uoknor.edu (Love Toy) Subject: Re: Newsweek-Herbal E Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >They also discuss the dangers of ephedra (ma huang). I have never found >it to be in the slightest bit dangerous, but I suppose there are people >who have adverse reactions to everything. The FDA has recorded only 400 >adverse reactions to it and 15 possible deaths. Not too bad when you >consider that many more people have reactions to OTC and prescription >drugs. > *Delurk* Well... awhile back I read that some people where dying from diet herbal teas because they thought since the ingredients were all "natural" it meant it was safe for you. If this is the same herb I'm thinking of, this one lady had a heartattack from the ephedra. However she drank more than the recommended dose, so watch out! Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's all safe. love Toy =) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 18:52:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA07718; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:52:05 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA07711; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:52:01 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA17287; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:51:23 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960503015510.00b8ddf0@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 18:55:10 -0700 To: tim744@silicon.email.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: BBQ Fixins Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya Tim; Do you know how to BBQ Fish eg swordwish, if so I'll bring some of that, just save a pound for me. So when is it anyway, god I'm so clueless yet sooo happy, silly hologram aren't I. Peace THX1138 At 06:11 PM 5/2/96 PDT, tim744@silicon.email.net wrote: >Can I get a volunteer to bring the fixins for burgers and hot >dog...(ie..mayo,mustard,ketchup..etc). Please email if you can help. >Just a short list of what I will be providing myself >Ribs.... for about 15 >chicken...for about 15 >Burgers meat and veggie about 20 or so >hot dog...about 20-40 > >all that should feed about 30-40 people possibly more depending on how much >you eat. I remember someone saying something about Tofu Dogs if the person >that mentioned that can bring a few, that would be great. Also if you want a >certain food to be cooked thats not listed, pleas feel free to bring it. It's >a big BBQ and one side will be meats and the other side will be Veggie. Also >a few people mentioned bring salads, fruit, drinks, and other picnic foods. >If everyone chips in and bring alittle of something for roughly 5-10 people I >think this will turn out great. If you have any questions on what to bring, >pls email me and let me know. I'll be bringing paper plates and things, but >if some others bring some to, that would be great. > >We have a killer lineup and good food, and great people. So let's make this >picnic party one for the books. And I just want to add a big thanks right now >for all the people helping out on this. It's great to see everyone pitching >in to make this possible. > >Tim (knucklehead) > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 19:02:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA08825; Thu, 2 May 1996 19:02:14 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA08819; Thu, 2 May 1996 19:02:08 -0700 Received: from (shawna-@wck-ca4-12.ix.netcom.com [199.35.213.140]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA26936 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:58:16 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 18:58:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199605030158.SAA26936@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: Glow sticks ??? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk One more thing about finding glo-sticks, you can definitely find them at places like Grand Auto Supply, however you can only get the green, orange & yellow ones there, the "safety" colors. Green's a pretty cool color, but for blue purple & pink ones, you have to look elsewhere, in more obscure places. love, shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 19:12:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA09829; Thu, 2 May 1996 19:12:35 -0700 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA09823; Thu, 2 May 1996 19:12:32 -0700 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA12464; Thu, 2 May 1996 19:12:16 -0700 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9605021912.ZM12462@well> Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 19:12:16 -0700 In-Reply-To: KaySEE "Re: Glow sticks ???" (May 2, 2:49pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: KaySEE , Branka Cehic Subject: Re: Glow sticks ??? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There is a party/toy store down around 9th and Harrison (if memory serves) that has glow sticks in quantity, at least they had them when I went there in about 1991. I think it's still there, I just can't remember the name, but you can't miss it, the storefront is painted a ghastly orange/yellow. Hmm, might be on Brannan. Anyway, it's in that neighborhood. phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 20:25:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA14915; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:25:10 -0700 Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA14903; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:25:07 -0700 Received: from unknown (crl11.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA01227 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 2 May 1996 20:20:43 -0700 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Upcoming live shows Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 03:21:29 GMT Message-Id: <31897b3c.96206570@mail.crl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk P-Orridge fans: Psychic TV is playing Friday nite at the Maritime Hall. Gen is leaning toward the industrial/noise side these days. Also, Crash Worship will be playing the Trocadero this month. David --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ This website is not yet rated. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 20:28:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA15225; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:28:13 -0700 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA15210; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:28:10 -0700 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA11544; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:27:32 -0700 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA28166; Thu, 2 May 96 20:27:31 PDT Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28622; Thu, 2 May 96 20:27:27 PDT From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9605030327.AA28622@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: BBQ Fixins (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 2 May 96 20:27:27 PDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > We have a killer lineup and good food, and great people. So let's make this > picnic party one for the books. And I just want to add a big thanks right now > for all the people helping out on this. It's great to see everyone pitching > in to make this possible. Yeah, thanks in advance everyone & especially Tim. Janie & I will be there in full force! Lee From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 20:55:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA17643; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:55:26 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA17632; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:55:21 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA28718 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 21:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id UAA04947; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:53:49 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id UAA07797; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:53:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 20:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Haunted by Waters May-July Schedule (fwd)non-rave To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi! This is a band that a friend of mine really likes so I thought I would pass this on. A progressive celtic-rock apparently Ran ("rock my soul") / -=*=-/ ~ > >Haunted by Waters will be performing on the following dates: > >Sunday, May 9th >Whole Earth Festival, Quad Stage, University of California, Davis. > Performance time 4:30 pm. > >Friday, May 17th, 9pm >Transmission Theatre, 314 11th St (@ Folsom), San Francisco. >With Thoth, Land of the Blind (from Portland), and dancers t.b.a. Ph: >415-621-1911 for more info. > >Fri June 7th >Oakland Festival At The Lake, Oakland. 4:30 pm at the 10th street stage. > >Sun. June 9th >Health & Harmony Festival, Santa Rosa. 1:45 pm. Special appearance by >trance dancer Magenta Crowe. > >Thurs July 18th >Starry Plough, Berkeley. >With Thoth. >____________________________________ >Haunted by Waters debut CD, "LIKE THE DUST" was voted by Bay Area music >critics in BAM magazine last month as one of their TOP TEN favorite CD's > of '95, saying >"This multi-cultural ensemble has produced an exotic record of tribal magic >which succeeds musically, spiritually, aesthetically, and politically, and >should be a must in everyone's CD collection. Check it out!" >-Bam Magazine, April 19th, 1996 > >For more info see Haunted's web page at: >http://members.aol.com/hauntedbw/ >____________________ >About LAND OF THE BLIND: >THE BLIND is a band from Portland, Oregon bent on creating their own musical >genre & category called "TRIBAL-HYPNO-TRIP", >a fusion of dream pop, world, ecto & alternative. > >Phoenix Media/101.7 FM Boston > "The rich, lush music can almost be seen as well as heard. Lead vocalist >Cyoakha wails with the intensity of Kate Bush..sparse and haunting...& notes >of startling clarity...like Dead Can Dance they explore unconventional >sounds...the Blind experiments with Middle-East-like scales and cryptically >poetic lyrics for a bizarre but intriguing Laurie Anderson-meets-the-Women's- >Choir-of-Bulgaria feel. Genuine and unpretentious. > L. Anderson, WFNX >________________________ >About THOTH: > >Thoth creates music that is both ancient and modern, classical and jazz and >improvised. Their performance is choreographed with sensual movement. Their >sound has been characterized as a blend of Slavic, Gypsy, Hebrew, Middle >Eastern, North African, Celtic, Indian, and Native American Elements. > She ^`..'^ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 21:10:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA18974; Thu, 2 May 1996 21:10:55 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA18945; Thu, 2 May 1996 21:10:52 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA16638; Thu, 2 May 1996 21:10:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 21:10:43 -0700 (PDT) To: Ms Phink cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Newsweek-Herbal E In-Reply-To: <199605030032.RAA04853@ns.mauswerks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 2 May 1996, Ms Phink wrote: > Hi people- > There is a big hoopla on herbs in this week's Newsweek. > > It contains the ubiquitous article on Herbal E. They interviewed some > youngsters who have tried it, and asked others what they think of it. > They also talk about the rave culture a little bit. > > The article also says: "Some dealers of real Ecstasy [though] are lacing > their products with heroin; savvy users look out for telltale brown > specks in the pills"... More like uninformed users..... more poor reporting, like that's a first. Have you ever noticed the glaring deficiencies in factual data when the press reports on something you know about? I have noticed this on more than one occasion when I have seen media reports on certain computer related issues or technical phone-related issues. I find it very disturbing. If the media is spreading so much crap about things you or I know about, what are the chances that their reporting about issues you do not know about are in fact correct? > They also discuss the dangers of ephedra (ma huang). I have never found > it to be in the slightest bit dangerous, but I suppose there are people > who have adverse reactions to everything. The FDA has recorded only 400 > adverse reactions to it and 15 possible deaths. Not too bad when you > consider that many more people have reactions to OTC and prescription > drugs. Ephedra is a pretty powerful stimulant, and with any powerful substance there can be adverse reactions. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 22:14:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA00294; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:14:52 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA00271; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:14:48 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00497 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (shawna-@wck-ca8-19.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.83]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA08840 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:14:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:14:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199605030514.WAA08840@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: Upcoming live shows To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >P-Orridge fans: Psychic TV is playing Friday nite at the Maritime >Hall. Gen is leaning toward the industrial/noise side these days. >Also, Crash Worship will be playing the Trocadero this month. WOOHOO! Anybody here ever been to a Crash Worship? :) Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 23:40:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA00294; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:14:52 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA00271; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:14:48 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00497 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (shawna-@wck-ca8-19.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.83]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA08840 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:14:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:14:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199605030514.WAA08840@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: Upcoming live shows To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >P-Orridge fans: Psychic TV is playing Friday nite at the Maritime >Hall. Gen is leaning toward the industrial/noise side these days. >Also, Crash Worship will be playing the Trocadero this month. WOOHOO! Anybody here ever been to a Crash Worship? :) Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 23:41:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA00787; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:41:12 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA00779; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:41:08 -0700 Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu (sandoz@pluto.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.168]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA01065 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sandoz@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id WAA01427; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG X-Sender: sandoz@pluto To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Tonite Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is there a party tonight in Aquatic Park in Berkeley? If so, can you give us more details? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 23:41:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA00858; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:41:25 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA00786; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:41:11 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA01069 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA22353; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:37:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:37:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199605030537.WAA22353@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tim744@silicon.email.net From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: BBQ Fixins Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >...Also >a few people mentioned bring salads, fruit, drinks, and other picnic foods. How about pumpkin pie for dessert? I can cook up a couple of those, if folks think they'll want some. Anyone? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 23:42:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA01104; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:42:15 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01084; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:42:07 -0700 Received: from scruz.net (nic.scruz.net [165.227.1.2]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA00773 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id WAA25518; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:26:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:28:01 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: Narcs and narcing Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk sameer@c2.org wrote: > Sounds like another dangerous urban legend. > > "Feds have to say yes if you ask them if they're a fed. Really >they do." The message that I got from a lawyer about two and a half years ago (things may have changed) was that an undercover law enforcement agent is required to respond truthfully to any such request, *UNLESS* they may be physically endangered by a truthful answer. In practice, this amounts to carte blanche for the agent except in extreme situations--an agent can almost always make a reasonable case that a truthful answer would endanger him or her. In sum, don't count on any such entrapment defense. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 23:42:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA01144; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:42:21 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01091; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:42:10 -0700 Received: from redshift.com (root@axel.redshift.com [165.227.94.5]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA00523 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axel.redshift.com (red148.redshift.com [165.227.94.148]) by redshift.com (8.7.5/8.7.4) with SMTP id WAA05217 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:21:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199605030521.WAA05217@redshift.com> X-Sender: sirnod@redshift.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 22:19:39 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Sir Nod {Don Spence} Subject: Ameba Party Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, I just finished my work for the semester and saw the post about the Ameba party in Santa Cruz tonight. I'd love to go but I really done feel like venturing alone. If anyone here in Monterey Land would like to cruise up with me, that would be great. I have a car. If anyone's interested, call at 408.375.8858 or page at 408.655.7496. Thanks all.... Sir Nod -- (><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><><<>>><<>><<>><<>><<>>><<) (sirnod@redshift.com-------(60's:Question Authority)--Voice/Fax:408.375.8858) (dspence@student.miis.edu--((90's:Question Reality))------Pager:408.655.7496) (<<<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>>**<<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>>) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 23:42:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA01160; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:42:23 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01096; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:42:12 -0700 Received: from scruz.net (nic.scruz.net [165.227.1.2]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA00769 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id WAA25503; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:25:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:27:58 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: Health Alert/Re: heroin is orally active Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "THX1138" wrote: > Black tar Heroin is very strongly linked to the flesh eating >bacteria. The danger is extreme strong for people that shoot it, so DON'T DO >IT, YOU NOW HAVE THE BEST REASON IN THE WORLD TO REHAB, SO JUST DO IT. The first advice given in this note, that "X cut with heroin" is a hysterical exaggeration, is good, but this additional info is slightly hysterical as well. There was about six weeks ago a spate of reports of "flesh-eating" bacteria connected with tar heroin in the Bay area, but there is no evidence of this occurring at present--apparently a particular bad batch was the source. There is no risk from smoked heroin--the bacterium is destroyed by the heat--which is the most common route of administration for tar. Disclaimer: I am not a heroin user, so I have no personal experience with these particular risks, but I do try to keep up with all the drug news that is available, and I have spoken with both users and concerned nonusers (needle exchange volunteers, abuse counselors, etc) about this particular recent problem. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 23:44:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA00471; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:20:27 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA00464; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:20:20 -0700 Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-f.it.earthlink.net [206.85.92.50]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA29838 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 22:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.37.82.107] (pool043.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.107]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03181 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 00:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 21:43:55 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin) Subject: Review: enchantment and sunset (Sorry late) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well I ended up going to enchant ment early to help Josh set up. It was at a VERY clean space in Castro Valley(east bay) at a pool hall. Because of it's location and knowing the style of music that would be played(acid trance to trip hop, break, with a gangsta element) I had doubts of the party to begin with. It's hard to be partial when it's your friends party and I guess the statement - "At least I got in free." pretty much sums up my evening. Don't get me wrong there were many good things about this party - The music was good Kwashi vs. Essence was great and Spun vs. Rick Preston was just sic. My friend Joey got to spin at his first party that night and did a good job. The space was CLEAN. Main floor had all the pool tables and a chill dj which was cool I love to play pool and never get to play while trance music is flowin' through the halls, down stairs was a large warehouse lookin' storage area which could probably house 500 - 800 ppl. Great lasers and lighting - probably spent too much on this though... All my god friends were there and the owners of the establishment were farlly friendly. The people was the main downer for me. A whole mix of clubers, gangsters and ravers (Could tell when "Set you free"by Planet Soul and "Scandallus" by E-40 were played many hoots and hollars could be heard however when spun and rick were playin some sick acid trance I hardly heard a whistle)... Many people were there to impress like at a club and I ust felt out-a-place at times. For Josh's first party it wasn't all that bad but I know he will learn from the mistakes and create a better vibe next time. Sunset was just fabulus, I only stayed till the sun went down but I had a wonderful time with everyone. Right on Pacific!! Austin . . __/-^-\__ . . . . . <<<>>> . . . @ . `'\-*-/`' . . . . . = . . /|\ . . . . . . / | \ . . . / | \ . . . . . / / | \ \. . . . / / | \ \ . . . = . . / / / | \ \ \ . . . . . / / / | \ \ \ . . = . . / / / / | \ \ \ \. . . . . / / / / | \ \ \ \ . . _@_/` ~\_e_/~ _G/ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ . . ~/ }} (*) < =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ = . // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ . . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 23:58:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA03119; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:58:34 -0700 Received: from elroy.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA03110; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:58:31 -0700 Received: by elroy.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id XAA04883; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 23:58:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Uncle Noah X-Sender: ez031733@elroy.ucdavis.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: (NRR) Turntable tweak question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay, I was handed a free turntable today! It is a Technics SL-QD33 Direct Drive turntable :) (What do you mean you've never heard of the SL-QD33?!?) Anyway, the thing doesn't have a pitch control. I am about to go ask my engineering major friends to help me figure out how to rig up some sort of potentiometer to the deck so that I can control the pitch... but I figure I might as well ask you folks if anyone else has attempted this sort of thing and if so if they have any pointers :) thanks for your time! OBEngineering: Hey Marc, you wanna work on a turntable? :P --+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+--- "Uncle" Noah Apodaca - napodaca@ucdavis.edu Student, Disc Jockey, Resident Advisor I'M FINALLY ON THE WEB!! CHECK OUT MY ARTWORK AT: http://think.ucdavis.edu/current/apodaca.html From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 2 23:58:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA03149; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:58:41 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA03138; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:58:37 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca21-14.ix.netcom.com [204.30.65.78]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA21435 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 23:56:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 23:56:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199605030656.XAA21435@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Q Luong) Subject: FULL MOON? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There's a full moon going on tonight?!?!?! I saw the full moon while I was working. Damn, I thought it was going to be like, next week. anyways, I'll be at Harmony's BP!! Look for the asian guy who will be waving and smiling!! =)~ adam R.Lunatic From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 00:29:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA08375; Fri, 3 May 1996 00:29:39 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA08368; Fri, 3 May 1996 00:29:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (pabrams@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) with SMTP id AAA08614 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 00:29:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 00:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Abramson To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: going to harmony? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Howdy, Who's going to Harmony? Would anyone like to head over there early with Sarah and me or meet up later on? Think smiles! ) paul ( From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 07:00:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA16351; Fri, 3 May 1996 07:00:41 -0700 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA16345; Fri, 3 May 1996 07:00:39 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora (jsl@localhost.netcom.com [127.0.0.1]) by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id HAA19961; Fri, 3 May 1996 07:00:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 07:00:37 -0700 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Diana Greer From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: Traci Lords Reply (long) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >" (There was a time when I couldn't look at no >woman, less massah either hang me or kill me. Now that those days are >over, I intend to do some extra looking for all those brothers who >couldn't). " > >John! Get over it. The past is the past. There is no reason to ogle >people just to prove a point. > >John, you spend a bunch of time writing "He" and "She" when you could be >saying "s/he" or something like that to indicate the inter-changability >of gender. (You frequently fall into the tired, old and so out-dated >stereotypes about women and men.) > >Peace, ((or maybe we don=92t need any right now?) (Oh I know, I=92ll end >this note with "regards.")) > >Regards, > >Diana I thought this conversation was over. Besides, most of her reply coulda been done private. Oh well, nice try. Next time try private e-mail. That's where this type of message belongs. Out, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 07:55:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA21320; Fri, 3 May 1996 07:55:27 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA21311; Fri, 3 May 1996 07:55:22 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0uFMGR-0001xiC; Fri, 3 May 96 07:55 PDT Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 07:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: tremor! (NRR) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk wow! i feel so much closer to all of ya today :) we had a wee tremor last night, actually the epicenter was near Seattle but it was felt from Oregon to BC. Ain't living on the fault line grand? k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 08:58:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA27292; Fri, 3 May 1996 08:58:36 -0700 Received: from hydra.acs.uci.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA27286; Fri, 3 May 1996 08:58:33 -0700 Received: (from dwatanab@localhost) by hydra.acs.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA00357 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 3 May 1996 08:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605031558.IAA00357@hydra.acs.uci.edu> Subject: Newsweek-Herbal E To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves@hyperreal.com) Date: Fri, 3 May 96 8:58:28 PDT From: DWATANAB@UCI.EDU (Dana Watanabe) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > The article also says: "Some dealers of real Ecstasy [though] are lacing > their products with heroin; savvy users look out for telltale brown > specks in the pills"... I think this is the biggest proof that this must be false. , dana "... intriguing paper designs make LSD especially attractive to junior high school and high school students." - DEA statement on LSD From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 09:09:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA28800; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:09:29 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA28790; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:09:26 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA10030; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:09:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: SDream cc: tim744@silicon.email.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: BBQ Fixins In-Reply-To: <199605030537.WAA22353@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes!! and whipped cream and cinnamon....I better go eat breakfast-but-yes! On Thu, 2 May 1996, SDream wrote: > > >...Also > >a few people mentioned bring salads, fruit, drinks, and other picnic foods. > > How about pumpkin pie for dessert? I can cook up a couple of those, if > folks think they'll want some. Anyone? > > S > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 09:15:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA29493; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:15:18 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA29487; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:15:14 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id JAA19251; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605031613.JAA19251@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: BBQ Fixins (fwd) To: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9605030327.AA28622@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> from "Lee Fogel" at May 2, 96 08:27:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > We have a killer lineup and good food, and great people. So let's make this > > picnic party one for the books. And I just want to add a big thanks right now > > for all the people helping out on this. It's great to see everyone pitching > > in to make this possible. > > Yeah, thanks in advance everyone & especially Tim. Janie & I will > be there in full force! This sounds like great fun and myself, Nicole and others are sure to be there. Hope lots of other sfraves come too!! -troy ps: If you have yet to experience tim's (knucklehead's) cooking skills, you are severely missing out!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 09:16:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA29728; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:16:53 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA29723; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:16:50 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA04337 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 May 1996 09:16:20 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA06145; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:16:41 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29776; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:16:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:16:38 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tthomas@uoknor.edu (Love Toy) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Newsweek-Herbal E Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Well... awhile back I read that some people where dying from diet herbal >teas because they thought since the ingredients were all "natural" it meant >it was safe for you. If this is the same herb I'm thinking of, this one >lady had a heartattack from the ephedra. However she drank more than the >recommended dose, so watch out! Just because it's natural doesn't mean >it's all safe. > love Toy =) Yeah, witness hemlock and deadly nightshade, and also some varieties of mushrooms, which are attributed to the deaths of a few people recently who picked 'em out in the wild. Venom is natural, too, but I don't know of anyone willing to ingest it ;) Organically yours, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 09:30:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA01461; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:30:49 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA01443; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:30:46 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA04945 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 May 1996 09:30:20 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA07240; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:30:40 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02612; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:30:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:30:38 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Narcs and narcing Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >sameer@c2.org wrote: >> Sounds like another dangerous urban legend. >> >> "Feds have to say yes if you ask them if they're a fed. Really >>they do." > >The message that I got from a lawyer about two and a half years ago (things >may have changed) was that an undercover law enforcement agent is required >to respond truthfully to any such request, *UNLESS* they may be physically >endangered by a truthful answer. In practice, this amounts to carte >blanche for the agent except in extreme situations--an agent can almost >always make a reasonable case that a truthful answer would endanger him or >her. In sum, don't count on any such entrapment defense. > >anarch@scruznet.com So, in a way, I was right. I wouldn't rely on it in a real situation, however... - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 09:40:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA02410; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:40:47 -0700 Received: from mail2.fw-sj.sony.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA02399; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:40:44 -0700 Received: by mail2.fw-sj.sony.com id JAA07073; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail2.sjc.in.sel.sony.com id JAA03222; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.ssi.sony.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA831141620; Fri, 03 May 96 09:42:21 PST Date: Fri, 03 May 96 09:42:21 PST From: "Jacqui Kolarik" Encoding: 6 Text Message-Id: <9604038311.AA831141620@ccgate.ssi.sony.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: The British E Scene in The Face Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There's an article about the british scene and an interview with the parents of Leah Betts (died after taking E last November) in the March issue of "The Face". Article leaves something to be desired (facts and more depth), the magazine, as a whole, is cool. Jacqui From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 09:46:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03342; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:46:03 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA03327; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:45:58 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA05650 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 May 1996 09:45:36 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA08432 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:45:56 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA05764 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:45:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:45:53 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Adam and Eve Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Some Friday humor for y'all. :) - E > >One day, after a near eternity in the Garden of Eden, Adam calls out to >God, "Lord, I have a problem." > >"What's the problem, Adam?", God replies. > >"Lord, I know you created me and have provided for me and >surrounded me with this beautiful garden and all of these >wonderful animals, but I'm just not happy" > >"Why is that, Adam?", comes the reply from the heavens. > >"Lord, I know you created this place for me, with all this lovely food >and all of the beautiful animals, but I am lonely." > >"Well Adam, in that case I have the perfect solution. >I shall create a 'woman' for you." > >"What's a 'woman', Lord?" > >"This 'woman' will be the most intelligent, sensitive, caring, and >beautiful creature I have ever created. She will be so intelligent >that she can figure out what you want before you want it. >She will be so sensitive and caring that she will know your >every mood and how to make you happy. Her beauty will rival that >of the heavens and earth. She will unquestioningly care for your >every need and desire. She will be the perfect companion for >you.", replies the heavenly voice. > >"Sounds great." > >"She will be, but this is going to cost you, Adam." > >"How much will this 'woman' cost me Lord?", Adam replies. > >"She'll cost you your right arm, your right leg, an eye, an ear, and your >left testicle." > >Adam ponders this for some time, with a look of deep thought and >concern on his face. Finally Adam says to God, "Ehhh, what can >I get for a rib?" > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 09:57:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA04603; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:57:40 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA04593; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:57:37 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.137] (sf-tty38-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.137]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA16879; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:57:30 -0700 X-Sender: leftjab@mail.well.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:01:53 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: leftjab@well.com (leftjab) Subject: Wonderful World . . . Cc: aditya@mh1.well.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk . . . Beautiful People! In keeping with the flyer's theme, I will be wearing my Cookie Monster t-shirt. See y'all tonight! leftjab From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 10:17:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA06648; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:17:01 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA06640; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:16:56 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id KAA08795; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605031716.KAA08795@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Adam and Eve Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Feminist flame bate, look out duck! I don't want to admit that I actually chuckled at this. Rick At 09:45 AM 5/3/96 -0700, you wrote: >Some Friday humor for y'all. :) - E >> >>One day, after a near eternity in the Garden of Eden, Adam calls out to >>God, "Lord, I have a problem." >> >>"What's the problem, Adam?", God replies. >> >>"Lord, I know you created me and have provided for me and >>surrounded me with this beautiful garden and all of these >>wonderful animals, but I'm just not happy" >> >>"Why is that, Adam?", comes the reply from the heavens. >> >>"Lord, I know you created this place for me, with all this lovely food >>and all of the beautiful animals, but I am lonely." >> >>"Well Adam, in that case I have the perfect solution. >>I shall create a 'woman' for you." >> >>"What's a 'woman', Lord?" >> >>"This 'woman' will be the most intelligent, sensitive, caring, and >>beautiful creature I have ever created. She will be so intelligent >>that she can figure out what you want before you want it. >>She will be so sensitive and caring that she will know your >>every mood and how to make you happy. Her beauty will rival that >>of the heavens and earth. She will unquestioningly care for your >>every need and desire. She will be the perfect companion for >>you.", replies the heavenly voice. >> >>"Sounds great." >> >>"She will be, but this is going to cost you, Adam." >> >>"How much will this 'woman' cost me Lord?", Adam replies. >> >>"She'll cost you your right arm, your right leg, an eye, an ear, and your >>left testicle." >> >>Adam ponders this for some time, with a look of deep thought and >>concern on his face. Finally Adam says to God, "Ehhh, what can >>I get for a rib?" >> >> >> >> > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 10:38:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA08588; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:38:11 -0700 Received: from sierra.zyzzyva.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA08539; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:38:03 -0700 Received: (from mail@localhost) by sierra.zyzzyva.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA26648 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 12:37:57 -0500 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com(192.100.81.120) by sierra.zyzzyva.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026645; Fri May 3 12:37:49 1996 Received: (from branka@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA09309; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:35:01 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Branka Cehic Subject: Thanks for glow sticks info To: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all of you who gave me good leads about the sources of glow sticks. I got some at Toys-R-Us. Little green once but for the first time they will do :). I will have those at Beautiful People, so come say Hi, grab some Starbust and introduce yourself :). Thank you Tony for being such a wonderful, beautiful person :). See you tonight and tomorrow, ha? Hey, I didn't realize my accent was funny, I knew my spelling sucks, but... :P For those who missed Wish on Wed (and there were many of you)it was fun. There were not many people there, but Doran was spinning, so music was great (he is the first DJ that I started listening to 2 months ago). Also we had a change to chat with him for a while and what a wonderful guy :)... I ended up going to Come Unity at 3am by myself and saw few familiar faces (Hey Stephan & Lydia) and few people that were at Wish earlier... There is only one thing I can say about that - WOW. I wish I didn't have to work on Thursdays :). Anybody went to Full Moon? How was it? Hugz, Branka From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 10:46:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA09298; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:46:05 -0700 Received: from ns.mauswerks.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA09288; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:46:02 -0700 Received: from [17.127.18.186] ([17.127.18.186]) by ns.mauswerks.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06278; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:14:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199605031714.KAA06278@ns.mauswerks.com> Subject: Re: Traci Lords Reply (long) Date: Fri, 3 May 96 10:45:13 -0700 From: Ms Phink To: "John S. Lee" cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I thought this conversation was over. Besides, most of her reply coulda >been done private. > >Oh well, nice try. Next time try private e-mail. That's where this type >of message belongs. > >Out, >John Thank God someone has some sense around here. :-) See ya'll on the dance floor. -Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 10:51:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA10137; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:51:58 -0700 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA10128; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:51:53 -0700 Received: (from jsl@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA06115; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:51:31 -0700 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199605031751.KAA06115@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Partay weekend, yeaaah! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:51:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 744 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Every once in a while I go out. This weekend will be one of those once in a whiles. Yeaa!, gonna catch a groove. Much like I did earlier this week @ Lighten Up. Yeaah! Also heard about some underground going on. Place holds about 300 people. Wil be interesting what the crowd is like. I'll probably stop by this gig just to say hello, yeaah! Then it's off to Wicked. Why? Why not, I want to hear some music, and from what I hear, that is one of the many places some good music will be played this weekend. Yeaah! Interesting to see who'll find out about the UG, I do love suprises. Yeaah! Gotta get some new sneaks, gotta be ready for the challenge should the need arise. Yeaah! Peace & groove out, John P.S. Yeaah! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 11:44:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA15623; Fri, 3 May 1996 11:44:49 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA15618; Fri, 3 May 1996 11:44:46 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp030-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.30]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id LAA22941 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 11:44:42 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960503184457.00a45844@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 11:44:57 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: VaVoom! 99 Subject: (NRR) more friday humour Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>>> Goldilocks and the Trio of Ursines >>>> >>>> At one point on the space/time continuum existed an immature specimen >>>>of the species Homo sapiens possessing the chromosomal pattern "XX". This >>>>juvenile recognized itself by the indicative code "Goldilocks". >>>> Goldilocks' female progenitor had imposed a strict injunction against >>>>forays into the proximate arboreal terrain. Due to the biological drive to >>>>expand territorial limitations, the youthful female transgressed her >>>>parentally-imposed sanctions, and thus found herself spatially displaced >>>>without identifiable referent points. >>>> After locomotion through an incrementally expanding time period, >>>>Goldilocks was >>>>thermally deprived, in need of immediate nutrition, suffering a deficit of >>>>energy, and in an extreme state of adrenal imbalance. She perceived a >>>>square of luminescence in the crepuscular shadows, and was motivated to >>>>render herself adjacent to the source. >>>> The luminescence was generated from the interior of a solitary >>>>residence. Goldilocks applied digital pressure in tympanic mode to the >>>>portal, without result. >>>>The digestive acoustic signals emanating from the vicinity of her duodenum >>>>motivated her further; she produced a vocalization intended to rouse any >>>>residents of the habitation to action. No response being elicited, >>>>Goldilocks contravened additional parental instructions by causing the >>>>barrier apparatus to permit her intrusion. >>>> The domicile appeared vacant, but Goldilocks perceived a triple array >>>>of nutrients fully prepared and displayed upon the gustatory board. >>>>Prompted by her nutritional deficit, she approached the semi-solid >>>>compounds. Her biological response to the gaseous exudations of the >>>>foodstuffs caused tremors in her manual appendages. The trio of >>>>presentation vessels were of graduated volume. Goldilocks chose the >>>>economy-size container, and seized a utensil to raise a measured quantity of >>>>carbohydrate-laden substance to her nutrient-intake port. >>>> The kinetic energy potential of the sample communicated to her neural >>>>synapses, causing her to precipitately release the utensil, which >>>>demonstrated its specific gravity in an audible fashion. >>>> "Oh, this is excessively thermal!" emitted the protagonist. She >>>>adjusted her position so as to attempt intake from the family-size vessel. >>>>Elevating an additional measured portion to her alimentary embouchement, she >>>>plied the musculature of her upper facial area, and pronounced, "This is >>>>kinetically deprived!" >>>> Having experienced subsequent negative reinforcement, the potential >>>>woman approached the ultimate nutrient allotment. In anticipation of >>>>additional negative input, she cautiously hoisted the tertian utensil to her >>>>lingual organ. >>>> "Oh," she caroled, "This sample of grain product is at optimum energy >>>>calibration!" She proceeded to ingest the maximum available caloric >>>>material from the convenience-size container. >>>> Abdominal satiety being engendered, the pre-gestational being felt a >>>>requirement to repose during the postprandial period. She located a triad >>>>of situational constructs, and considered their relative dimensional >>>>qualities. As her primary effort, she essayed the grandiose example. >>>> "Oh, this has extreme pressure resistance!" she declaimed. She >>>>attempted the >>>>immediately sequential construct. Her physical displacement resulted in her >>>>lower extremities protruding at an acute elevation. "Oh," she agonized, >>>>"this has excessive receptivity!" >>>> She extracted her gluteal mass and relocated it to the tertiary >>>>location. "Oh!" she enthused, "This _chaise_ is precisely appurtenant to my >>>>skeletal structure!" >>>> Unfortunately the mass displacement of the diminutive being was >>>>disproportional to the stress-bearing capabilities of the fragile >>>>construction, the resultant pressure creating a disruption in the junctions >>>>of its fabrication. As her fundament contacted that of the residence, >>>>Goldilocks produced a loud vocalization attended by lachrymal flow. >>>> Still afflicted by digestive torpor, the forlorn infant sought the >>>>somnolence-appropriate area of the premises. Therein were situated three >>>>divans of varying proportion. _Primo_, Goldilocks evaluated the most >>>>generously endowed. "No, it is gargantuan!" she judged. Thereafter she >>>>contemplated the more moderately enhanced version. "No, it is of >>>>insufficient breadth!" she determined. _En suite_, she devolved upon the >>>>final solution. "This horizontal surface for the purpose of reclining is >>>>exactly suited to my requirements!" >>>> So she lay supine and permitted rapid eye movement to ensue. >>>> As the immature Homo sapiens passed through the four stages of its >>>>sleep cycle, the ursine residents of the domicile achieved re-entry. >>>>Arriving in the alimentary preparation area, the female of the party >>>>exclaimed, "An unknown trespasser has consumed our nutrient preparations!". >>>> Surveying the parlor, the male of the party responded, "Another unknown >>>>intruder has been utilizing our furnishings! And regard the wreckage >>>>herein!" The offspring of the two above-mentioned then scrutinized the rear >>>>chamber, and cacophoned, "The perpetrator has availed itself of my sleeping >>>>facility, and it continues to there abide!" >>>> The three enormous ursines surrounded the dormant human, exchanging >>>>intemperately >>>>expressed opinions upon her probable ancestry and social habits. >>>>Goldilocks, roused by the auditory input, rendered herself vertical, >>>>perceiving that she was in the vicinity of large predatory creatures. >>>>Sympathetic response flooded her autonomic nervous system, and she effected >>>>immediate egress from the domicile. >>>> The ursines, offended by the impropriety of Goldilocks' behavior, >>>>invested in a home security system to prevent future incursions. >>>> As for Goldilocks...she developed a theory of archetypes based on >>>>anthropomorphic >>>>images which resulted in a multi-million dollar insomnia-prevention industry >>>>and her own private line of whole-grain foods. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 12:40:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA21009; Fri, 3 May 1996 12:40:52 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA21000; Fri, 3 May 1996 12:40:48 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA00901; Fri, 3 May 1996 12:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA20116; Fri, 3 May 1996 12:38:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:38:18 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Adam and Eve To: Rick Riffle cc: "Eric P. Peterson" , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199605031716.KAA08795@franc.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 3 May 1996, Rick Riffle wrote: > Feminist flame bate, look out duck! I don't want to admit that I actually > chuckled at this. If you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at? -kc > > Rick > > At 09:45 AM 5/3/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Some Friday humor for y'all. :) - E > >> > >>One day, after a near eternity in the Garden of Eden, Adam calls out to > >>God, "Lord, I have a problem." > >> > >>"What's the problem, Adam?", God replies. > >> > >>"Lord, I know you created me and have provided for me and > >>surrounded me with this beautiful garden and all of these > >>wonderful animals, but I'm just not happy" > >> > >>"Why is that, Adam?", comes the reply from the heavens. > >> > >>"Lord, I know you created this place for me, with all this lovely food > >>and all of the beautiful animals, but I am lonely." > >> > >>"Well Adam, in that case I have the perfect solution. > >>I shall create a 'woman' for you." > >> > >>"What's a 'woman', Lord?" > >> > >>"This 'woman' will be the most intelligent, sensitive, caring, and > >>beautiful creature I have ever created. She will be so intelligent > >>that she can figure out what you want before you want it. > >>She will be so sensitive and caring that she will know your > >>every mood and how to make you happy. Her beauty will rival that > >>of the heavens and earth. She will unquestioningly care for your > >>every need and desire. She will be the perfect companion for > >>you.", replies the heavenly voice. > >> > >>"Sounds great." > >> > >>"She will be, but this is going to cost you, Adam." > >> > >>"How much will this 'woman' cost me Lord?", Adam replies. > >> > >>"She'll cost you your right arm, your right leg, an eye, an ear, and your > >>left testicle." > >> > >>Adam ponders this for some time, with a look of deep thought and > >>concern on his face. Finally Adam says to God, "Ehhh, what can > >>I get for a rib?" > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 12:47:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA21728; Fri, 3 May 1996 12:47:46 -0700 Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA21707; Fri, 3 May 1996 12:47:26 -0700 Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA27898; Fri, 3 May 1996 15:46:53 -0400 Date: 03 May 96 15:36:51 EDT From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: Adam and Eve Message-ID: <960503193651_71165.755_GHL64-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ERIC! Ha Ha Ha! That is so funny! I read it out loud to my whole office, and we all laughed hard! yep, a roomful of women! You can admit you laughed Rick, how could someone not? Yippee, it's Friday! Leslie ; ) ______________________________________________ Feminist flame bate, look out duck! I don't want to admit that I actually chuckled at this. Rick ----------------------- At 09:45 AM 5/3/96 -0700, you wrote: >Some Friday humor for y'all. :) - E >> >>One day, after a near eternity in the Garden of Eden, Adam calls out to >>God, "Lord, I have a problem." >> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 13:02:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA22857; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:02:36 -0700 Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA22846; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:02:33 -0700 X-Received: from mail.wesleyan.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA22581; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:37:18 -0700 X-Received: from [129.133.253.116] (ppp16.subnet253.wesleyan.edu [129.133.253.116]) by mail.wesleyan.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA04600 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 1996 00:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:13:20 -0500 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: cduwe@wesleyan.edu (Colin Duwe) Subject: Narc Tactics ReSent-Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:02:27 -0700 (PDT) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There was a very interesting article in the New York Times Sunday Magazine a week or two ago written by an ex-DEA guy. He wrote of professional narcs who are paid handsomely by the DEA to deliver up drug dealers. The article was primarily concerned with a cocaine incident. In it, the DEA acted like total buffoons believing a guy who served up a dummy and collected big cash. When the scandal began to break the cops covered their asses and the ass of the lying narc. The dummy got sent up the river. So imagine how easy (and profitable) it might be for someone to come into our scene and do roughly the same thing. If they could deliver up real dealers, they might live large for quite a while. All they would need is someone in law enforcement who would pay them and an ability to talk the talk a little. Since they wouldn't be real police they aren't forced to obey the laws. They could smoke lots of pot for instance. And they would have lots of money to buy foreign cars and such. I don't mean this to pinpoint anyone in our scene. Just as a further warning to be very careful who you buy from, who you sell to, and who you help by drugs. Also be careful what you say. The dummy that got sent up the river in the article was not at all involved in drugs. He was a parking lot attendant with a wife. It was never established that he ever even saw cocaine in his entire life, much less use it, much less sell it. He was convicted of "conspiracy to sell narcotics." And what would our neighborhood narcs do if they ran out of dealers to sell to the feds in order to pay for their fancy cars? This is not paranoia. This is simply another plea to thuroughly get to know your friends. Keep it tight and keep the family alive. Keep Smiling Colin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 13:08:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA23555; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:08:48 -0700 Received: from biology.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA23536; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:08:43 -0700 Received: from [128.114.141.62] (chisholm-lab1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.141.62]) by biology.ucsc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA29757 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:07:25 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:10:34 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ecoman@darwin.ucsc.edu (Steve Dennis) Subject: Hey where are the tickets for Harmony? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I keep calling the Harmony number but it dosen't tell me where they are selling tickets! :-( I really want to go and there are a number of friends that want to go too, but I need more information. If anyone knows who has them please let me know. Steve From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 13:20:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA24931; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:20:02 -0700 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA24918; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:19:55 -0700 From: TKagnoff@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA18710 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:19:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:19:27 -0400 Message-ID: <960503161927_286529645@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: LOST JOURNAL @ last sunset Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk a friend of mine lost his journal at the last sunset gathering. it's a spiral binder that has i think has a silver cardboard cover? if anyone found it can you please email me so i can get it back to him. a whole year's worth of his memories are in there. i hope his good karma will bring it back to him. please ask any of your friends if they found it as well. thank you very much everybody, theron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 13:34:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26213; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:34:31 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA26201; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:34:27 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id NAA07775; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:34:09 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:34:02 -0800 To: ecoman@darwin.ucsc.edu (Steve Dennis), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Hey where are the tickets for Harmony? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:10 PM -0800 5/3/96, Steve Dennis wrote: > I keep calling the Harmony number but it dosen't tell me where they are >selling tickets! :-( I really want to go and there are a number of >friends that want to go too, but I need more information. If anyone knows >who has them please let me know. __________ Because they are probably busy setting up, I'll pass this on. It outlines the schedule of events for Harmony. Per Harmony: Beautiful People this Friday was NOT a presale ticket party. So all the tickets ARE still avialible, since we have not sold any yet. The doors will open @ nine, and tickets to get in will be purchased at the door. We DO however have a limited capacity of 800 people. This does not mean 800 tickets will be sold! This means ALL of the guest list, ALL of the crew and ALL of the ticket sales = 800 people. We are very aware of problems that arise when promoters overcrowd a space, and want to make sure that we do not create a bad situation by doing just that. So, yes you can still get into Beautiful People, but try to get there early, because tickets will probably sell out fast! Once again the doors open at 9pm. The party is in San Francisco, so if you are coming from out of town get into the city and call the info #. (We will change the message at around 7pm. to give the directions) (408)486-9591+(408)450-3044 are the info #'s Also, due to some last minute, unexpected budget increases (rrr!) we are going to charge $15 at the door, instead of $13. It is all going to be worth it!!!!! Peace and love to you, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 13:38:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26665; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:38:36 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA26647; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:38:29 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca26-17.ix.netcom.com [204.31.235.49]) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA07882 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:36:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:36:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199605032036.NAA07882@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Q Luong) Subject: Me at Harmony To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If you're going to Harmony's BP tonight, be on the lookout for a short asian dude with a white shirt with blue writing, (Mossimo in the front, sight for sore eyes in the back) It will be me! =)~ come say hi, i'll have candy!! adam R.Lunatic From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 13:44:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA27407; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:44:45 -0700 Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA27398; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:44:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Behlendorf To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: going away for a week... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm going to be gone for a week to the web conference in Paris, so I won't be able to deal with mailing list problems or emergencies or bounces or the like until after I get back on the 12th. If something is urgent, please send mail to root@hyperreal.com, and you'll get an answer in some indeterminate amount of time. :) I just put a new hefty disk in hyperreal so hopefully we won't have hardware problems. Take care. Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 13:45:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA27475; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:45:12 -0700 Received: from mvgate.isinc.insignia.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA27467; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:45:08 -0700 X-Address: Insignia Solutions Inc., 2200 Lawson Lane, Santa Clara, CA.95054 X-Telephone: +1 408 327 6000 X-Fax: +1 408 327 6105 Received: from Tim.isinc.insignia.com ([205.231.223.101]) by mvgate.isinc.insignia.com (5.65c8/UK-2.1.ISL) with SMTP id AA21004; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:43:01 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960503204746.00679d78@email.org> X-Sender: knucklehead@email.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 13:47:46 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Tim (Knucklehead)" Subject: Wow, any more and I'll see china Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think we have beaten the Narc thing so far into the ground that I'll soon be able to see China. Let's get off this crap. We all were born with common sense, and we all know what's right and wrong. All we have to do is use them when we decide to indulge at a party or get it from someone we don't know. If read a few of these post and alot of fingers are still being pointed in a round about way. And I'm getting sick of it. If you see some joe smoe selling, don't buy it from them unless you know that person or your close friend know that person. Use common sense people! We all have it. To keep this thread going any more is just saying that YOU like seeing your post on the mailing list. This doesn't just include the Narc thing, it include all these other silly, stupid little threads on here. We can put all our energy to something better then this. I know I'll probally get flamed for this, but the point I'm tring to make is valid. Whether the law says that Narc have to or not say who they are if asked is besides the point. You should always use Common sense when indulging. I know I try to at least. If people are concerned about the law and Narc..goto a library and look it up in a book. Common sense. Never rely on second hand info. If I don't here something from the cows mouth, then I take that info as nothing more then a rumor and deal with it in that manner. If it can not be proven by the person you heard it from, then it very will could be a rumor. If you hear that so and so did this to so and so, you don't go telling half the city. Go to the people involved and personnaly ask them if it true or not. Get that facts before spreading something all over town. It just boils down to common sense, if we actually use it we don't have to waste time talking about crap like this and we can put it to other things like throwing a massive party and not worry about a damn thing because everyone is indulging and using there Common sense. Sorry for the post, I had to let off some stress. Planning a party can get to you sometimes. See ya all tonight and Sat. I'm turning my party mode on and work mode off. I need a drink and a bowl. Anyone gotta light. Tim From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 13:48:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA28181; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:48:10 -0700 Received: from alumnae.caltech.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA28175; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:48:07 -0700 Received: (from lenchang@localhost) by alumnae.caltech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18626 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chinley L. Chang" Message-Id: <199605032047.NAA18626@alumnae.caltech.edu> Subject: Going to BP tonite! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:47:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hope to meet lots of you at Beautiful People tonite! 5'6" chinese guy with a crewcut, probably a green and purple striped shirt and a fuzzy white glove Say hi! Smiles, Chin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 14:06:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA29932; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:06:09 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA29921; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:06:06 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA18863 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 May 1996 14:05:44 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA11815 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:06:05 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01982 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:05:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:05:49 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Wow, any more and I'll see china Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Motion carried! New business? - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 14:13:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA00762; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:13:45 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA00733; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:13:39 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA18028 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (kcroy@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA13203 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:09:42 -0700 From: kcroy Message-Id: <199605032109.OAA13203@shellx.best.com> Subject: music q (harmony v.m) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk anyone ID the music on the harmony voice mail for me? heard it so many times and never know by whom.. take care kcroy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 14:17:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA01145; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:17:56 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01128; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:17:50 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id OAA08969; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:17:42 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:17:36 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: I'll be at BP tonight! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes, I'm going as well, but please, don't come up and say hi, my friends will think I'm a loser if they know I'm on SFR. I'll be the Ukranian guy, about 6'2", black hair, and I'll be wearing a shark-skin suit with big fuzzy dice from my neck. I'll probably be walking around saying something like: "Look at all you little snivling freaks, get a life! Go on...NO! I don't want a hug!! And get that damn glow stick out of my face!!" I don't dance either! ;^) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 14:22:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA01584; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:22:14 -0700 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01572; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:22:08 -0700 Received: from post-awful.apple.com (post-awful.apple.com [17.255.0.17]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA35300 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:22:01 -0700 Received: from [17.202.40.154] (hahnbr.apple.com [17.202.40.154]) by post-awful.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA09998 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:23:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199605032123.OAA09998@post-awful.apple.com> Subject: Re: Not rave related but interesting Date: Fri, 3 May 96 14:20:20 -0800 From: Anarch To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>>> Want a laugh? Call the following number: (704) 377-4444. When the .. http://www.charlotte.com/ads/menuman anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 14:43:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA03994; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:43:54 -0700 Received: from dub-img-6.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA03984; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:43:48 -0700 Received: by dub-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA06048; Fri, 3 May 1996 17:43:06 -0400 Date: 03 May 96 17:42:34 EDT From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: B.P. Fashion Post Message-ID: <960503214234_71165.755_GHL58-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yep, I'mm SOOOOOO happy it's Friday... and here's my almost-obligatory posting for those of you who don't know me .... look for me and come say hello, please! In honor of my spring fever and the beautiful weather, and the party theme, I have an overwhelming urge to dress in a mother earth kind of way, so I'm planning to wear a crown of silk flowers in my hair tonight -- and mmost likely a green/white striped jumpsuit -- I better hurry up and start weaving that daisy chain! so see you at Harmony, everyone! Leslie ; ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 15:15:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA07287; Fri, 3 May 1996 15:15:47 -0700 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA07197; Fri, 3 May 1996 15:15:40 -0700 Received: (from trance@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id PAA28658; Fri, 3 May 1996 15:15:41 -0700 From: trance@netcom.com (Tamara Palmer) Message-Id: <199605032215.PAA28658@netcom19.netcom.com> Subject: Goldie To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:15:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 395 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Funky Tekno Tribe and URB Present: Friday, May 10 Metalheadz vs. Funky Tekno Tribe with guest DJs Professor Smith (XLR8R), Raymond Roker (URB), Graeme (FTT), and Markie at The Sound Factory 525 Harrison for info and directions: 415.266.8215 ____ Hug Your Waistline to the Bassline Tamara Palmer trance@netcom.com http://www.interverse.com/~tamara/righting.html Women Respond to Bass From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 15:25:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA08481; Fri, 3 May 1996 15:25:37 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA08448; Fri, 3 May 1996 15:25:29 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA12923 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 15:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA03965; Fri, 3 May 1996 15:21:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: Also going to BP To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm also going to BP tonight. I'd love to meet ya'all. The only distinguishing thing I can think of are my earrings that say Kirsten, but they are pretty hard to see! I'll also have a ladybug puppet and a flourescent body marker for the black light which everyone loves when they play with it!! If I can remember what everyone else posted about themselves, I'll say hi! see ya on the dance floor....... kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 16:11:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA12282; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:11:52 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA12276; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:11:47 -0700 Received: from [128.32.205.208] (cc208.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.208]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA22649 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:11:44 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: pik-nik Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'll be seeing you all at the picnic... there's more than a few of you I've been wanting to finally meet in person so look out for me: blue shorts. green striped polo shirt. brown airwalks. photo's on my website. -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 664-1026 | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 16:12:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA12343; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:12:32 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA12335; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:12:28 -0700 Received: from [128.32.205.208] (cc208.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.208]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA24666 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:12:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: pik-nik Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'll be seeing you all at the picnic... there's more than a few of you I've been wanting to finally meet in person so look out for me: blue shorts. green striped polo shirt. brown airwalks. maybe crutches, if my foots still hurts tommorrow. =( photo's on my website. -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 664-1026 | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 16:50:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA15246; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:50:50 -0700 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA15240; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:50:44 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA00301 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 3 May 1996 19:50:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:50:17 -0400 Message-ID: <960503195016_483879913@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: DIRECTIONS to the cabin! <= Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well hell, I'll just put these here and if any of you poops can get out of your rocking chairs and on the road, you should take them with you! If you would like to go, please call the cabin after 8:30 or page before heading out. Directions >From Sacramento Take Hwy 50 (50! NOT 80!) through Placerville, etc towards South lake Tahoe. After you get over the sumit and into the Tahoe valley, past meyers, there will be a big intersection where 50 wraps to the right. Just Stay on 50, it soon turns into the main "Strip" in Tahoe, (hotels, etc. everywhere.) A couple miles before the casinos will be a pretty big intersection called "Ski Run Blvd", Take a right here. Go up 6 or 7 blocks to Birch Ave. The Cabin is on Birch, I believe it's a right on Birch, but it's a small street, so don't worry. The address is 3670. The phone # at the cabin is 916 542 9353, my pager is 916 855 6762. Keep this piece of paper!!! Don't forget: * a couple of dishes * sleeping bags/blankees * sleeping pad * music * food for yourself * a dish for sat night's dinner (be creative!) * a log or two, or a duraflame * bathing suit (yeah, right : ) * towels * dorky board games, etc. * bicycles? * toys, fuzzies * jizits * korpals * middlypoops In case you missed it, here's the run-down: :)x< : )x< CABIN TRIP TOO!! - THIS FRI/SAT/SUN :)x< :)x< Join us for a fun filled weekend in South Lake. HERE'S THE SKINNY: This FRI, SAT, SUN. * 15-20 peoples in a 2BD/2ba cabin W/HOT TUB, * not neccesarily an SFR event-a MIXED GROUP of good, peacefull & fun, raver & non(yet) raver folks, * TURNTABLES yes, but a small sound system w/annonymous D.J.s, * MIXED MUSIC: house, alt., gen x retro goodies, ambi, and a taste of GOA compliments of J-Sun back home from Savannah, * bring yer rekkids & discuses * really cool LIGHTING, lil lasers, and more by NUTRALIGHT * CHEAP!: $15-20/person, * communal din din saturNIGHT * snowbarding optional saturDAY * new and improved-easy to use-failsafe DIRECTIONS * Last one went off like mad!!! (Sorry no naked Moonpuppys this time : [ ) Love, Love, Love, Steve From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 16:52:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA15355; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:52:29 -0700 Received: from essi.essi.fr by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA15338; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:52:16 -0700 Received: from jessica.essi.fr (jessica.essi.fr [157.169.25.100]) by essi.essi.fr (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id BAA02642 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 01:53:59 +0200 (HEURE_D'ETE) Received: (from waldura@localhost) by jessica.essi.fr (8.7.5/8.7.5) id BAA04231 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 4 May 1996 01:53:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Waldura Renaud Message-Id: <199605032353.BAA04231@jessica.essi.fr> Subject: Re: Also going to BP To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 01:53:29 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "KaySEE" at May 3, 96 03:21:41 pm Reply-to: waldura@essi.fr (Renaud Waldura) Organization: ESSI, Sophia Antipolis (France) X-PGP-Key: http://www.essi.fr/~waldura/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 29 FC F9 5A 41 E4 35 70 4A 9D BD AF 02 4B 0B 5D X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Me too :-) And you _really_ can't miss me: orange trousers with "France Techno" black shirt aren't so common in the Bay! See ya all, (by the way, Renaud is really my firstname, don't believe the mail headers; it pronounces like \ra-no\) -- Renaud Waldura From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 17:02:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA16412; Fri, 3 May 1996 17:02:45 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA16407; Fri, 3 May 1996 17:02:41 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA05982; Fri, 3 May 1996 17:02:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 17:02:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Full Moon # Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all and Happy Friday:). I was just wondering if anyone has the # for Full Moon? I've heard that it is tonight and I wanted to get the # for a friend. Thanks! I hope to meet some of you at the SFR picnic tommorrow- oh and Wayne, can you bring my shark with ya! hugs- Reagan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 17:52:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA20033; Fri, 3 May 1996 17:52:34 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA19974; Fri, 3 May 1996 17:51:45 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA18714 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 18:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (shawna-@wck-ca13-15.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.207]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA17992 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 17:45:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 17:45:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199605040045.RAA17992@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Me too, me too! :) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! :) Come look for me at Harmony, hopefully I should be pretty distinctive! I'll be wearing my Nekkid Leddy shirt (you who've seen it know the one, it has a picture the shape of a woman's figure made entirely of black horizontal stripes), old comfy jeans, converse high-tops, glo-stick-style bracelets on both wrists, and most likely my bright green feather boa! I'll probably have my bag of trip toys with me, you can play with them if you want! (also, if it gets too hot I'll probably have changed from my Nekkid Leddy shirt to my regular light grey tank top). I'm 5'8" with shoulder length brown hair. Come & say hi! :) If you're good I may even give you one of my glow-sticks! :) Everybody seems in pretty good spirits tonight (aside from a few of you cranky oldsters! ;) Looks like it's gonna be a good party, hope everybody brings their smiles & energy, I look forward to seeing my family once again! Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 18:22:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA22063; Fri, 3 May 1996 18:22:28 -0700 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA22046; Fri, 3 May 1996 18:22:23 -0700 Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Fri, 3 May 96 18:30 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960503132358.25cf67a2@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 265 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 06:23:58 -0700 To: Ms Phink From: Freak Zone Subject: Re: Newsweek-Herbal E Cc: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >The article also says: "Some dealers of real Ecstasy [though] are lacing >their products with heroin; savvy users look out for telltale brown >specks in the pills"... Brown specks are usually caused by imcomplete synthesis of the safrole (it's brown too!) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 18:59:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA24588; Fri, 3 May 1996 18:59:25 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA24581; Fri, 3 May 1996 18:59:22 -0700 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id SAA18013; Fri, 3 May 1996 18:59:13 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id SAA06444; Fri, 3 May 1996 18:59:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 18:59:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: raves in 408 To: sfraves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I could've sworn that there was a huge rave here in the 408 (Santa Cruz/San Jose) but I haven't seen anything about it. Does anyone know if there is one here? If so please reply immediately w/ the #. Thank you soooooooooooo much. RAVE ON! ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\__\ /\ \ /::| | /:/ / /::\ \ /:|:| | /:/__/ /:/\:\ \ /:/|:|__|__ /::\ \ ___ /:/ \:\ \ /:/ |::::\__\ ~ /:/\:\ /\__\ /:/__/_\:\__\ \/__/~~/:/ / \/__\:\/:/ / \:\ /\ \/__/ /:/ / \::/ / \:\ \:\__\ /:/ / /:/ / \:\/:/ / /:/ / /:/ / \::/ / \/__/ADAME \/__/ \/__/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 19:47:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA27150; Fri, 3 May 1996 19:47:22 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA27144; Fri, 3 May 1996 19:47:19 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.40] (pm1-ppp40.well.com [206.15.64.40]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA29155 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 19:47:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199605040247.TAA29155@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:48:48 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Ride needed from SF to Harmony or FMR Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi... If anyone is going to FMR or Harmony tonight, and has a car, or knows someone who does, please call me at 1-800-381-5847 It's even a free call. Of course I'll pay my share of gas... Also, it is common for me to get NO responses. Probably because the person with the car might think "Someone else would offer a ride".... Anyways, I've had little or no response to my pleas for rides... I'll be home tonight, so please call. If you live in SF, I can meet you along Lombard or Van Ness, or SOMA at a specific time. Thanx From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 20:18:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA29239; Fri, 3 May 1996 20:18:45 -0700 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA29231; Fri, 3 May 1996 20:18:41 -0700 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0uFXrc-000DECC; Fri, 3 May 96 20:18 PDT Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 20:18:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: BBQ Fixins/ pumpkin pie To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199605030537.WAA22353@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 2 May 1996, SDream wrote: > > How about pumpkin pie for dessert? I can cook up a couple of those, if > folks think they'll want some. Anyone? yeah! i love pumpkin pie. that would really make my day. love, tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 21:07:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA02988; Fri, 3 May 1996 21:07:57 -0700 Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA02977; Fri, 3 May 1996 21:07:53 -0700 Received: (from ausman@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA06893 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 3 May 1996 21:07:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 21:07:48 -0700 From: James Ausman Message-Id: <199605040407.VAA06893@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: beltane review Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Fellow SFRavers, Well, someone asked if anyone on sfraves went to the Beltane event that was advertised as "1 1/2 hours north of San Francisco" and since I was there, I will. I have been too busy catching up on the work I missed by going to post until now, though. The location was incredible. It was in the forest, about 10 miles from Rio Vista (which is along the Russian River). We parked at the bottom and had to hike up about 3/4 mile along a very steep mountain road. There was a 4X4 taking people's gear up, so we at least didn't have to pack our stuff in, but the hike was work. I ended up getting so excited I did it three times that night/day, so it wasn't _that_ bad, but I am getting a little ahead of myself here. I got there about 12:30 AM and the party was jamming already by then. There were probably 50 people at this point. The hosts had put tiki torches in a circle and good music was spinning. After getting my tent and such set up, I danced for a while to some very nice music, then went down to help direct traffic for a while. People were still coming when I got off shift at 5 AM. I think the directions on the voice line were a little off, so some people got lost. It was kind of funny: by dawn there was about an equal stream of people coming and going. We maxed out at about 100. Around dawn, a bunch of us decided To go Completely Ballistic and ended up staying up all morning. As it got hot, we headed down to a crystalin stream at the base of the hill, which had was very nicely cold (it was really Hot!) and had a swimming hole and everything. All in all, it was a very enjoyable and enlightening experience. The best part for me was the fact that there was a very diverse group of people: rich, poor, old, young, ravers, Beautiful People, computer geeks (ahem), pagans, skeptics, etc. and while there was a certain amount of splitting into "camps" a lot of respectful communication occured. Who was subverting whose paradigm? I really couldn't have told you. It was not especially a Beltanish sort of celebration, at least not the way I understand Beltane, but it was pretty darn cool anyway. One unpleasant thing did happen though: Somehow Jason (from Pacific) got his records left out in the sun and warped. This is really a big loss to all of us that love his music. He is always doing free Djing at events like this and I think we should start a collection going so he can afford to buy some new records. It will not be the same, without some of his old greats, but it will be interesting to see what a "new and improved" Jason will sound like! If you would like to contribute, contact me. A few of us who were there have already gotten it started. Peace, Jim PS I know it is a little late, but if any of you see me at Harmony come up and say hi! I will be wearing a nean green shirt with a map of the moon all over it. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 23:48:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA12514; Fri, 3 May 1996 23:48:29 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA12508; Fri, 3 May 1996 23:48:27 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.47] (pm1-ppp47.well.com [206.15.64.47]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA16950 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 23:48:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199605040648.XAA16950@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 23:49:56 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Probably won't make Harmony Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, if you don't find me at Harmony, it's because nobody from Marin responded to my posting asking for a ride. I cannot believe out of all those people who went to Harmony that nobody coming in from Marin had room in their car. Besides, I'm not that excited patronizing a venue that stations guards at the restroom doors to prevent people from filling their water bottles so they can line their pockets. I should be able to make the picnic tommorrow... so look for me there. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 3 23:48:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA12532; Fri, 3 May 1996 23:48:36 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA12527; Fri, 3 May 1996 23:48:34 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.47] (pm1-ppp47.well.com [206.15.64.47]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA16960 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 23:48:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199605040648.XAA16960@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 23:50:03 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Harmony Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Say, the next time any of you who live in Marin, or SF happen to have room in your car, would it be possible to give me a call? I'm usually home around 6 PM or so... I would have liked to have been able to get there this evening. I'm sure that there are more people in Marin than just me and Black Sabbeth who usually never has room in his car. There just isn't enough people from Marin that has a car, and is willing to take a fellow raver. Anyways, if any of you happen to get this message in time, please phone me.... 1-800-381-5847 The Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 00:29:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA17199; Sat, 4 May 1996 00:29:32 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA17193; Sat, 4 May 1996 00:29:29 -0700 Received: from well (mh2o@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA19580; Sat, 4 May 1996 00:29:30 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 00:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Maureen Garrett Subject: Re: Newsweek-Herbal E To: blkadder@value.net cc: Ms Phink , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I read the entire article(s) today in the waiting room of a tire and brake shop.. It was interesting and it could have been worse. The closing comment was a statistic..something like there are still 1000 deaths from prescription drugs vs. about 1 death from natural remedies. Another interesting fact seemed to be that many deaths with herbal remedies involved the liver. Nearly all of the "herbal" deaths occured from massive doses (far exceeding the recommended dosage). As far as Ephedra goes, I believe this wonderful plant is being abused by many companies*..target pyramid diet product corporations..massive doses, I know. In my previous attempts to loose weight with some wonder drug, I have tried products containing ma huang, and known to me now many conflicting herbs. Avoid Omnitrition, Equinox International, and Shaperight. Everyone reacts differently of course,however all of these products made me spaced out, nervous, irritable..big time. I can't even imagine what might have happened should I have thought to take 12 pills at once..anyway... As we all know, everything can be abused, even water. *Believe it, these folks who have sold 150 million tablets for $3.00 a piece and their cost is .67 each, are IMHO abusing ancient Chinese Medicine and wisdom, their doses are way to huge and there was no real testing... oh it's herbal, it must be ok... The problem that I have with all of the make money quick with herbal high folks, is that in the long run, their greed will hurt us all and the return to sane ancient ways... for healing... > > > > The article also says: "Some dealers of real Ecstasy [though] are lacing > > their products with heroin; savvy users look out for telltale brown > > specks in the pills"... > I found the above quote interesting when I read it because the very first E I ever had was a white dome-shaped tablet and it had brown specs...as I recall, I did get a bit sick to my stomach, however it passed in about 1/2 hour to one hour...Don't know what the specs were butsomething made me ill. This was in December of '92. My two cents... --Maureen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 08:26:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA17486; Sat, 4 May 1996 08:26:46 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA17477; Sat, 4 May 1996 08:26:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (pabrams@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) with SMTP id IAA197392 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 08:26:42 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 08:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Abramson To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Yeah!!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Whew, BP was amazing!! What a great vibe!! Thanks to all the wonderful people I met last night and this morning... especially Eric, who was very supportive at all the right times! ;) (time to try to shut my eyes for a bit before going to the picnic....) I was (and will be) wearing a white shirt with a big smiley face on it. :) :) :) :) :) :) )paul( From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 09:28:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA21925; Sat, 4 May 1996 09:28:18 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA21920; Sat, 4 May 1996 09:28:16 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id JAA24009; Sat, 4 May 1996 09:28:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 09:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Rave in Sacramento tonight... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There's a small party in Sac tonight, does anyone know the number off hand? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 10:31:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA27029; Sat, 4 May 1996 10:31:26 -0700 Received: from athena.romoidoy.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA27023; Sat, 4 May 1996 10:31:22 -0700 From: dodo5@zoom.com Received: from [206.14.92.92] (dodo5-ppp.zoom.com [206.14.92.92]) by athena.romoidoy.com (8.6.12/Romoidoy-Hub-022896) with SMTP id KAA27399 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 10:32:03 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 09:37:04 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Looking for event to webcast Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There's a techno club in Tokyo that'll be webcasting using CUSEEME, IRC & email on 5/30. We want to do a 2 way webcast between Tokyo & the Bay Area. The problem is in order to match time with Tokyo our event will have to start at 8 a.m. Thursday morning (5/30). If anyone knows of anything at all happening then please email me directly. Some possibilities we've thought of are live computer graphics, performance art, drag races and nature scenes. I'm a little desperate so any idea is appreciated. Thanks, Doran From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 12:29:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA07586; Sat, 4 May 1996 12:29:20 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA07525; Sat, 4 May 1996 12:29:14 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca21-05.ix.netcom.com [204.30.65.69]) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA05887 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 12:27:41 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 12:27:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199605041927.MAA05887@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Q Luong) Subject: HARMONY'S BP!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Now, Harmony's Beautiful People.... That was I-N-C-R-E-D-I-B-L-E!!!!!!!!! Everybody was oozing with vibe and it was sure bouncing off the walls!!!! Troysheets! Shawna! CTD-Zine! LowUfo! Branka! CHIN! (with the white glove!) Amy! We all gotta hook up and do that again.... =)~ adam R.Lunatic time to catch some more Z's From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 12:39:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA08454; Sat, 4 May 1996 12:39:23 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA08448; Sat, 4 May 1996 12:39:20 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA25173 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 12:39:17 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 12:39:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199605041939.MAA25173@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: BBQ X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Uh oh... Does anyone know where the BBQ is supposed to be? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 13:00:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA10113; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:00:11 -0700 Received: from austria.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA10106; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:00:08 -0700 Received: from LOCALNAME (pool043.Max2.San-Francisco.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.99.43]) by austria.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00174; Sat, 4 May 1996 12:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 12:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605041959.MAA00174@austria.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: cnielsen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Chinley L. Chang" From: Courtney Nielsen Subject: Re: Lack of South Bay Events Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 04:30 PM 4/26/96 -0700, you wrote: >> >> EP>>I just dont think there is enough interested people in the area, but >> EP>>then again i live in Palo Alto. I suggest moving to SF!!! >> EP>> >> EP>>The Finn >> >> EP>There is a lot of interest in the San Jose area, Finn! >> EP>moving to SF is a scary thought... >> >> I might move to the city, cuz it is too sleepy here, but the commute >> would be a brain drain..... >> >> So what interest is there in SJ ? What sort of crowd, sound ..etc >> >> Stephen >> > > > Check out Velvet shop on thursdays and Quench on Sundays. I wouldnt say it's sleepy here, but just more laid back. Lotsa cool people. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 13:02:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA10336; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:02:05 -0700 Received: from austria.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA10287; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:01:56 -0700 Received: from LOCALNAME (pool043.Max2.San-Francisco.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.99.43]) by austria.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00305 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 13:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605042001.NAA00305@austria.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: cnielsen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Courtney Nielsen Subject: Re: Lack of South Bay Events Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 11:47:03 >To: "Chinley L. Chang" >From: Courtney Nielsen >Subject: Re: Lack of South Bay Events >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com > >At 04:30 PM 4/26/96 -0700, you wrote: >>> >>> EP>>I just dont think there is enough interested people in the area, but >>> EP>>then again i live in Palo Alto. I suggest moving to SF!!! >>> EP>> >>> EP>>The Finn >>> >>> EP>There is a lot of interest in the San Jose area, Finn! >>> EP>moving to SF is a scary thought... >>> >>> I might move to the city, cuz it is too sleepy here, but the commute >>> would be a brain drain..... >>> >>> So what interest is there in SJ ? What sort of crowd, sound ..etc >>> >>> Stephen >>> >> >> >> >Check out Velvet shop on thursdays and Quench on Sundays. > >I wouldnt say it's sleepy here, but just more laid back. Lotsa cool people. > PS: the sound is... whatever people feel like playing or listening to. You can check out Spun (a San Jose native) who just got back from Chicago. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 13:19:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11874; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:19:39 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11868; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:19:36 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA10578 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:19:25 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 13:19:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199605042019.NAA10578@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Review: Beautiful People by Harmony X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Warning: kinda long... The crew: Michelle, Sabrina, and Marty, and myself. The time: 9:45pm. The mission: To infiltrate the Beautiful People rave with grins, hugs, lotion, fruit, and as many toys as we could lug in. We came well-equipped. The night before, Michelle and I raided the local Toys-R-Us and came away with glo-sticks, Floam, Pez, bubbles, various stickers, a ladybug hand puppet. I picked up grapes, oranges, and the Newsweek with the article on herbal drugs. I also brought my lucky boxer shorts, but I won't get into that right now... I felt like Santa Claus hefting my backpack into this place... 9:45pm found us hurtling from the South Bay to SF. I didn't drive -- I flew very, very, close to the ground. I warned my passengers ahead of time, I'm not so much a driver as an automotive stylist. They looked at each other and immediately fastened every seat belt they could find. Marty found a roll of duct tape and used it to further secure herself to the seat. We had some unscheduled stops on the way up, so we didn't roll up until 10:20pm. After cutting Marty out of the back seat, we hurried in. This rave went OFF! It was at...... the Jerrold street deli. The space was incredibly well done! I've decided that that was the best setup in that space I've seen so far. I'm convinced that promoters learn from each other, so here's what they did right: 1. All kinds of props, stuff hanging from the walls and ceiling. The last party I went to there, Fusion, had props strung across the space above the dance floor, and it's a *really* good effect. 2. Black plastic sheeting used to create a MUCH better chill space feeling upstairs. That's one thing this space always seems to lack, but this time it was GREAT! Need a little chill space for folks to sit and chat and be friendly! 3. Lot's of very good artwork (my favorite: "I am the Sun, you are the Moon, we are ...", can't remember the last...) 4. Good lighting. Lasers, lights, decent visuals. Essential. 5. The promoter only allowed 800 people in. That must be a magic number or something, because it was full but not crowded. It was *just right*. 6. Free goodies! Ok, they were cheap little plastic bears on string so you could wear them like a necklace, but they were cute! The kind of nice little extra that starts things off right but doesn't cost the promoter an arm and a leg. 7. I don't know if this was planned or if it just happened, but at some point the Bathroom Nazi disappeared. See, at this space, they have someone to control the flow of people going into the restrooms, but more than that, to make sure no one takes a bottle in to refill it. With the no designated Bathroom Nazi, refills were a cinch! The music was very good, and rather cutting edge -- including one break in the music that lasted 5 full minutes. What pioneers of music! Ok, just kidding, there were a couple of glitches, including one point where something weird happened and the music cut out a couple of times. Not bad though. THE VIBE: Wow! This is the first rave I've been to at that space since the Origins party way back when that had a really good vibe. Everyone was happy, dancing, chatting, hugging. And I met the coolest people from this list!!! I saw a lot of old friends and met a bunch of new ones. I'm not even going to try to name them all, but Jess really stood out -- folks, she is so cool to hang out with! And this girl gets OFF! She was moving and grooving the whole time! Simply amazing... And I got a chance to sit with Shawna for a bit! Finally! I got to be ... da da DAAAAAA! Lotion Man! I wandered around with my Cat-in-the-Hat hat doling out lotion to anyone that would take it. I also got to be ... da da DAAAAAA!!! Sticker Man, Orange Man, Grape Man, and Phat Hugz Man. I had so much stinkin' fun! Cool Moment: Too many to list, but I did take LOTS of pictures! Good karma: I left my camera sitting out twice for as long as half an hour and no one bothered it. After the second time and a frantic search before locating it on top of a speaker, I figured I'd used up all the good luck in my boxers for that evening... Whew... Well, we all just got up. The drive home as the sun came up was nice. Gotta get the crew up and moving so we can make it to the BBQ... Now if only I can figure out where it is... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 13:52:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA14964; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:52:27 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA14959; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:52:24 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp049-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.49]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id NAA17105 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:52:18 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960504205235.00a43f8c@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 13:52:35 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: VaVoom! 99 Subject: BBQ Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk everyone have a good time at the picnic/BBQ! i can't make it.. why do these outdoor events always happen on work days? :( watch out for those teddy bears ! brendan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 14:57:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA20305; Sat, 4 May 1996 14:57:47 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA20299; Sat, 4 May 1996 14:57:44 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA9545 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 14:57:16 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960504220122.0098e714@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 15:01:22 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: Ahhh!, I'm Sooo Clueless..... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya All; So, like, where's the BBQ; duh!!!!! Happy THX1138 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 16:25:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26699; Sat, 4 May 1996 16:25:17 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26690; Sat, 4 May 1996 16:25:12 -0700 Received: from 206.214.106.66 (sjx-ca54-02.ix.netcom.com [206.214.106.66]) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA13920 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 16:23:38 -0700 Message-ID: <318B400D.5A71@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 04:31:25 -0700 From: CT Reply-To: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com Organization: CT D-Zine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: BBQ References: <199605041939.MAA25173@shellx.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Save room for dessert!!!! Freshly made Strawberry pies incoming!!!!!!! CT From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 16:26:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26797; Sat, 4 May 1996 16:26:40 -0700 Received: from relay4.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26788; Sat, 4 May 1996 16:26:37 -0700 Received: from sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us [192.152.9.3]) id QQaodx14907; Fri, 3 May 1996 19:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.152.9.134] by sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/Brian-920528) id QAA18697; Fri, 3 May 1996 16:30:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199605032330.QAA18697@sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us> X-Sender: melissaw@sugen1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:28:27 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: melissaw@sugen.sf.ca.us (Melissa Woodrow) Subject: Re: Also going to BP Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I'm also going to BP tonight. I'd love to meet ya'all. The only >distinguishing thing I can think of are my earrings that say Kirsten, but >they are pretty hard to see! I'll also have a ladybug puppet and a >flourescent body marker for the black light which everyone loves when >they play with it!! speaking of black light-fluorescent things, i'm bringing the paints! should be a blast! i'll keep an eye out for like-minded peoples, but if you follow the trail of painted bodies, you should find me eventually....:> >see ya on the dance floor....... >kc melis From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 18:12:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA00338; Sat, 4 May 1996 18:12:17 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA00324; Sat, 4 May 1996 18:12:04 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (star@orion.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.236]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA20634 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 18:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA20102; Sat, 4 May 1996 18:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 18:07:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: "Eric P. Peterson" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: End of the world party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think I would be more interested in attending the after-party. Much love, <<< Starchild >>> My computer tells me that on Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Eric shared: > If we get enough advance notice of the end of the world, someone should > throw and End of the World Party! It could be a synchronized event > occurring in every major raving city in the world. Would they be massives > or undergrounds? Would we want whistles? Drums? Clapping? Live music of > any kind? How about the music? Techno? House? Trance? Trip-hop? What > would make the best end of the world party? It would definitely have to > last longer than any party has in history; maybe it could incorporate > everything that everyone likes the most. The spaces would have to be > fairly large, cool, and unusual. Anyone want to start a planning > committee? > > Peace in the end times, > > - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 18:18:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA00857; Sat, 4 May 1996 18:18:42 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA00838; Sat, 4 May 1996 18:18:36 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (star@orion.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.236]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA20539 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 18:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA19869; Sat, 4 May 1996 18:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 18:04:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Dana Watanabe cc: "Rusty H. Hodge" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Legal Info, NRR In-Reply-To: <199604251804.LAA19324@hydra.acs.uci.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, My computer tells me that on Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Dana shared (in part): > And even if the jury isn't the type to just say "Drugs are Evil", > they would have to be told and proven that the way the > cops arrested you was illegal. On a jury, you can't just say: > "Hey that was entrapment!" I mean, you can, but chances > are teh otehr jurors won't beleive you unless the lawyer > brought up proof of it. (Not to mention that you aren't really > supposed to make presumptions about the law yourself :) Dana's message has some great practical advice, but in her final sentence it would have been more accurate to say that judicial authorities generally do not *want* you to make presumptions about the law yourself, just as doctors don't want you to practice home remedies and record companies would rather you not tape songs off the radio -- they want to maintain their monopoly. In fact however, you *are* legally entitled to do so. When you sit on a jury, you are empowered to decide not only whether the law was broken, but more importantly, whether the defendant(s) should be found guilty of breaking the law. Historically, this has been a very important guarantor of people's freedom in the United States. An early case of "jury nullification" occurred in 1735, when the British governor of New York tried to have a newspaper publisher jailed for publishing material that made him look bad. Criticising public officials was against the law, regardless of whether or not the criticism was valid, and the publisher, Peter Zenger, freely admitted he broke the law, but the jury in the case determined that the information he had published was in fact true, and acquitted him. During the period leading up to the Civil War, Northern juries sometimes refused to convict runaway slaves. And the refusal of many jurors to convict defendants accused of breaking laws against selling and possessing alcohol during Prohibition contributed to the eventual repeal of that misguided law. The reason jury nullification is so important is that it allows the people to vote directly against unjust laws, or laws that are unjustly applied by police or other authorities who may be corrupt, racist, etc. Unfortunately, even though the right of jurors to try both the facts and the law in court has been upheld many times over the years, most judges today will not tell juries they have this right, and often lie and tell them exactly the opposite: That they *must* find a defendant who has broken the law guilty. Members of the Fully Informed Jury Association (FIJA), a group formed to educate the public about their rights as jurors, have been disqualified as jurors for their beliefs, and in some cases arrested merely for handing out literature about jury rights outside courthouses. One more fine example of America's slide toward a police state. There is now talk of making it necessary only to have a majority of jurors vote to convict for a defendant to be found guilty, rather than by unanimous consent as has always been the case, or even of eliminating trial by jury altogether. In fact, for many people trial by jury in this country has already been eliminated. Under "civil asset forfeiture," the government can legally prosecute your property (money, house, car, etc.) as having been used in a crime, and seize any or all of it. Since you technically are not the defendant, they say, you are not entitled to be judged by a panel of your peers. Many other people are intimidated into pleading guilty by being threatened with much stiffer sentences if they demand their day in court. Something like 95% of criminal defendants plead guilty before they ever get a chance for a jury to hear their side of the story. What would you do, if given the chance to plead guilty and face maybe a year in prison and a $500 fine, or go to court and if found guilty, go to jail for ten or fifteen years? If you want to fight back against this kind of "justice," make sure you register to vote so that you will be eligible for jury duty. If you are selected, pretend to agree with all the instructions given to you by the judge. You may be required to swear an oath saying you will vote to convict if you find the law has been broken, but it is an illegal oath, and you are under no obligation to keep it. When you get on the jury, vote your conscience. If someone clearly "broke the law" by selling drugs, holding an "illegal" gathering, etc., if you do not believe these things should be crimes, vote "Not Guilty," and you'll have done your part to keep Big Brother at bay. For more information on FIJA, call Marion McEwen at (510) 889-1544. Yours in liberty, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 18:42:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA02652; Sat, 4 May 1996 18:42:01 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA02641; Sat, 4 May 1996 18:41:58 -0700 Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca36-09.ix.netcom.com [204.31.236.169]) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA06496 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 18:46:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 18:46:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199605050146.SAA06496@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Much thanks 2 you B.P.!!!!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Well, I am finally awake after what I think could have been the longest and toughest night of my life, (Beautiful People). Last night was a blast!!! We put every last bit of love and energy into that party, and oh man was it worth it!! You guys are so "beautiful!" We want to say thank you to all of you who came out and supported us. We hope everyone had a great time, and we'll see you in the future!!! Speaking of which, we have a free Harmony day party coming up! It will be on Sunday, May 12th. The party should begin around noonish and go into the night. Call the info lines for more information about this. We would love to see you there!!! Peace, love and harmony to all beautiful people, Greg :) ps. to all of you that I met last night, it was good to finally meet you! Take care... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 19:12:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA05340; Sat, 4 May 1996 19:12:53 -0700 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA05335; Sat, 4 May 1996 19:12:50 -0700 Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Sat, 4 May 96 19:21 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960504141502.1ae7b1fc@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 249 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 07:15:02 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Freak Zone Subject: Wicked! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wicked tonight! Stop by the light show set up and say hi. I'll be wearing a burgundy t-shirt -Sean _____________________________________ F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." (415) 227-7421 _____________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 19:25:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA06087; Sat, 4 May 1996 19:25:20 -0700 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA06080; Sat, 4 May 1996 19:25:17 -0700 Received: from v-site by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id TAA05691; Sat, 4 May 1996 19:24:51 -0700 Message-ID: <318C117C.61A@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 19:25:00 -0700 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freak Zone , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Wicked! References: <1.5.4.16.19960504141502.1ae7b1fc@ultima.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Freak Zone wrote: > > Wicked tonight! > > Stop by the light show set up and say hi. > I'll be wearing a burgundy t-shirt > > -Sean > > _____________________________________ > F R E A K Z O N E ! > "House music all night long..." > (415) 227-7421 > _____________________________________The Line-up for Wicked according to Garth: Thomas, Jeno, Markie, Garth in that order..Hope to see you there...dj Tracy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 19:57:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA08349; Sat, 4 May 1996 19:57:06 -0700 Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA08321; Sat, 4 May 1996 19:56:59 -0700 Received: (from sandoz@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA11644; Sat, 4 May 1996 19:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 19:57:02 -0700 (PDT) From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG X-Sender: sandoz@pluto To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Boston Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! next weekend I am going to see my parants (whom I have not seen for eight years) in Boston and I was wondering if anybody knew of any cool records shops or any good clubs to go to there. I will be their for a Saturday and Sunday night so does anyone have any suggestions? I would be very gratefull for any relivant info because the idea of me spending the whole weekend couped up in some hotel with my parants seems to me like taking loads of very strong acid and then standing in an all white room for the duration of the trip. Yours nervious about BOston. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat May 4 23:06:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA19603; Sat, 4 May 1996 23:06:46 -0700 Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA19598; Sat, 4 May 1996 23:06:43 -0700 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA05363 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 5 May 1996 02:06:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 02:06:19 -0400 Message-ID: <960505020618_390841817@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Pageing mAtt L. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey Matt please e-mail me privately so I can ask you something! Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 00:56:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA27364; Sun, 5 May 1996 00:56:14 -0700 Received: from peg.apc.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA27345; Sun, 5 May 1996 00:55:48 -0700 From: dpp@peg.apc.org Received: from vortex.peg.apc.org (t50.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.178]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.13 ) with SMTP id RAA14882 for ; Sun, 5 May 1996 17:56:18 +1000 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960505074638.006ef0c4@pop.peg.apc.org> X-Sender: dpp@pop.peg.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 17:46:38 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Introduction Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I've just subscribed to sfraves, so I thought I would write a quick intro. I'm currently based in Brisbane, Australia, but am considering a move to SF to take up a job offer at a groovy ISP based there - if that happens it will probably be in the next month. So I thought I would subscribe and check out the rave scene. My tastes at the moment centre on goa-trance, particularly out-door goa parties. There's a lot of them in this part of the world (especially a couple of hours south in Byron Bay). I was supposed to be going to a goa party on Friday night in Byron, but there's flooding here at the moment, and the roads were cut... If anyone wants to take 5 minutes to reply privately on the pros/cons of living in SF, particularly ex-australians, I would appreciate that... ...jamie -- dpp@peg.apc.org http://www.peg.apc.org/~dpp D o m i n a n t P i n e a p p l e P r o d u c t i o n s 'Lead this life to the fullest, it may be the last life you have' From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 02:06:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA02108; Sun, 5 May 1996 02:06:59 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA02103; Sun, 5 May 1996 02:06:52 -0700 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id CAA17572; Sun, 5 May 1996 02:06:57 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id CAA18550; Sun, 5 May 1996 02:06:56 -0700 Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 02:06:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Haunted by Waters Schedule Correction (fwd) To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 3 May 96 07:24:19 -0700 From: Shevaun Gallant To: Lana@cruzio.com, brandone@sco.com, randream@cats.ucsc.edu, James_E_Kaspar@notes.seagate.com, andrewk@sco.com, Mbeese@ea.com, booji@slip.net Subject: Haunted by Waters Schedule Correction Thanks to James for pointing out the mistake in the dates of the last E-mail.... She ^`..'^ >Subject: Haunted by Waters Schedule Correction > >Haunted by Waters will be performing on >Sunday, May 5th at the >Whole Earth Festival (UC Davis), not Sunday May 9th, since no such time >exists! > >However, on Thursday, May 9th, Cheb i Saba, along with Axiom of Choice will >be at the Sound Factory in San Francisco - 525 Harrison Street. >Also appearing "Sukhawat and Rifatt Ali Khan & Party" >with >Odissi temple dancer "Jyoti Rout" >plus >visuals by "1008 Saddhus & Cara Devi", >"Mehndi" henna hand painting, >"Masala Chi" tea. > >Doors 8 PM, Show 9:30 PM 21+. > >Tickets $15.00 in advance at BASS. >For more info call 415-789-8467 or X DOT 25 Productions at 800-710-8600. > >See you there! She ^`..'^ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 09:01:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA28591; Sun, 5 May 1996 09:01:58 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA28584; Sun, 5 May 1996 09:01:54 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA09584; Sun, 5 May 1996 09:01:51 -0700 Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 09:01:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: CT cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: BBQ In-Reply-To: <318B400D.5A71@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah I didn't get to try any of those pies, but the empty dish looked yummy:(. The picnic was purrfect! love- Reagan On Sat, 4 May 1996, CT wrote: > Save room for dessert!!!! > > Freshly made Strawberry pies incoming!!!!!!! > > CT > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 10:03:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA03106; Sun, 5 May 1996 10:03:14 -0700 Received: from roxy.sfo.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA03100; Sun, 5 May 1996 10:03:12 -0700 Received: from sf-124.sfo.com (sf-124.sfo.com [205.162.14.124]) by roxy.sfo.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09244 for ; Sun, 5 May 1996 10:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605051703.KAA09244@roxy.sfo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Michael Lasmanis" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 09:49:16 -8 Subject: test - please ignore Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hit 'd' now. just testing my alias and subscription mike From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 11:56:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA11160; Sun, 5 May 1996 11:56:18 -0700 Received: from ns.mauswerks.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA11153; Sun, 5 May 1996 11:56:16 -0700 Received: from [17.127.19.171] ([17.127.19.171]) by ns.mauswerks.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA08775 for ; Sun, 5 May 1996 11:25:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199605051825.LAA08775@ns.mauswerks.com> Subject: Harmony-BBQ Date: Sun, 5 May 96 11:55:39 -0700 From: Ms Phink To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes my friends! Harmony kicked ass the other night. Ethan, DJ Dan and Graeme ripped up the turntables. The vibe was amazing, as many others have reported. At one point I was standing upstairs looking over the balcony and I could hardly believe how much energy was on the dance floor. I really couldn't sit down for more than 10 minutes. Thank you, Harmony crew for all your hard work and the groovy decorations. I also met a lot of nice people last night, esp. Leslie, Eric P., SDream, Melissa and Branka. You guys are so cool! There were also many other nice folks who came up to say hello. Sorry if I wasn't more responsive, I was in 'a state of mind' to say the least. Well, after Harmony was over we hung out at a friend's place and then it was off to the SFR bbq on no sleep. Woo hooo! It was a beautiful day, and I met some more fun people. We spent most of our afternoon dancing to BioJeff, LeLe and Ethan, fueled by ginseng and soda. Check me into a home for geriatric ravers, my feet will never be the same!! Today I feel like crap, but it was all worth it. Thanks also to Tim (and everyone else who helped) for pulling it off. What a great 24 hours! I hope to see you all again soon, maybe at Harmony's outdoor party. -Amy PS.- Paul says hello From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 12:09:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA11933; Sun, 5 May 1996 12:09:14 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA11907; Sun, 5 May 1996 12:09:08 -0700 Received: from [206.79.132.104] (bass-kitten.cyborganic.com [206.79.132.104]) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA12091; Sun, 5 May 1996 12:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 12:09:00 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, idm@hyperreal.com, sf@xanadu.cyborganic.net From: Jon Drukman Subject: interesting show tonight Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk something that all fans of electronic music will want to check out: Veggie Beat Manifesto (uh yeah sure... we know who this is, right?) Single Cell Orchestra Freaky Chakra at the Edge in Palo Alto. (from the city take 101 S to oregon expressway, heading west... right at el camino, right on california) single cell & freaky going head to head starting at 8 PM. -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/bass-kittens/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 13:13:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA17201; Sun, 5 May 1996 13:13:05 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA17193; Sun, 5 May 1996 13:13:02 -0700 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id NAA10847; Sun, 5 May 1996 13:13:00 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id NAA03628; Sun, 5 May 1996 13:13:00 -0700 Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: harmony (BP) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk wanted to say hello to all the stanford and uscs folks that i met and saw. And i hope to see you all again........ dimitri From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 14:41:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA25547; Sun, 5 May 1996 14:41:53 -0700 Received: from fox by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA25541; Sun, 5 May 1996 14:41:50 -0700 Received: from slip.net.slip.net [204.162.172.244] by fox with smtp (Exim 0.42 #1) id E0uGBYF-0001Qq-00; Sun, 5 May 1996 14:41:12 -0700 Message-ID: <318D20D4.1A29@slip.net> Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 14:42:44 -0700 From: Tex Manithep X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Vintage Videos from 1991-1992 Events Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Do you know of anyone with rare, raw footage from parties (1991-1992)? If so, could you send email to me as to how to get a copy. We would like to use this material for a photo/video montage for a work-in-progress on expanded consciousness. Peace, Tex & Heather From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 17:25:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08026; Sun, 5 May 1996 17:25:00 -0700 Received: from nixon.ind.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08018; Sun, 5 May 1996 17:24:57 -0700 Received: (from lmnt@localhost) by nixon.ind.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA13153; Sun, 5 May 1996 20:55:10 +1000 Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:55:09 +1000 (EST) From: ed colmar To: JOSHUA MICHAEL ABERANT cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: sci-fi dj? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > does anyone know the name of the dj that spun before and after mars last > night? > sarah It was me :) I hope you liked it. BTW I'm also playing monday (5/6/96) at the bahia cabana with DRC for more info call: 415.263.5797 ::hug:: e _______ _____________________________ | CDJ LMNT ... ed colmar | | Aural Pilot .. immersive Arts | /| _______| http://www.immersivearts.org/ |_______|/ |__________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 18:44:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA13600; Sun, 5 May 1996 18:44:19 -0700 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA13592; Sun, 5 May 1996 18:44:17 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id SAA17228; Sun, 5 May 1996 18:44:10 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199605060144.SAA17228@netcom9.netcom.com> Subject: Thanks and $$ to Tim! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 18:44:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 902 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves mailist ] Such a great little picnic yesterday! The music was somewhat late due to generator problems , but Tim rented a replacement generator and the music finally started cranking out at about 3PM. These rare SFR events are nice for allowing us to meet folks who we only know by email addresses. I finally got to talk face to face with Leslie , and a few more folks. I left early ( about 5:50 PM ), due to the effects of a springtime cold. I just wasn't in dancing shape. But I did stay long enough to eat some chicken and beef cooked by the picnic organizer , Tim (aka Knucklehead) . There was also some good chicken and beef marinated and cooked by BlackAdder - delicious! One last thing - since the free donated genrator konked out, Tim had to rent another generator with his own money. When you see him next time, give him some $$$ !!! Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 19:10:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA16167; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:10:19 -0700 Received: from elaine40.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA16162; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:10:14 -0700 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine40.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA09516; Sun, 5 May 1996 19:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Mark Logan Reply-To: Jonathan Mark Logan To: friends&family Subject: somewhat related to Traci... (nrr) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For those of us with nothing to do on Tues (or, on any night, for that matter): TUE MAY 7 Good Vibrations Presents SALUTE TO MASTURBATION Good Vibrations, the legendary sex toy, book & video store, has proclaimed May, 1996 as National Masturbation Month and kicks off a month devoted to self-love with highlights of the best masturbating scenes from X-rated and educational videos by mainstream and independent filmmakers! Hosted by sex educator Carol Queen, with a special surprise guest. Approx. 90 mins. TUE at 7:00, 9:15 At the Roxie Cinema, SF From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 21:25:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA26397; Sun, 5 May 1996 21:25:52 -0700 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA26391; Sun, 5 May 1996 21:25:49 -0700 Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Sun, 5 May 96 21:35 PDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960505162737.0abf4ede@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 09:27:37 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Freak Zone Subject: MacDonald's Commercial Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Has anybody seen the MacDonnald's commercial with Ronald dancing at a rave? -Sean _____________________________________ F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." (415) 227-7421 _____________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 22:25:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA00301; Sun, 5 May 1996 22:25:47 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA00293; Sun, 5 May 1996 22:25:42 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0uGInj-0001PYC; Sun, 5 May 96 22:25 PDT Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 22:25:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: Freak Zone cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: MacDonald's Commercial In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960505162737.0abf4ede@ultima.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yeah i saw it last night :) there's one with him golfing too! boy can that guy boogie, eh? :) k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun May 5 23:23:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA03614; Sun, 5 May 1996 23:23:12 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA03601; Sun, 5 May 1996 23:23:09 -0700 Received: from [205.134.228.114] (ppp114-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.114]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id XAA15288 for ; Sun, 5 May 1996 23:23:07 -0700 X-Sender: sddpw@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 23:23:38 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: sddpw@sirius.com (Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works) Subject: searching for promoters Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've put up a similar message before, but I am putting out the call one more time before the end of the school year. I am doing an independent study on the police permit process in San Francisco. Just what you have to do to get a permit, what the police are looking for, what the building inspectors are looking for, what actual policy is compared to the official line of crap that they give you, what a promoter's constitutional rights are, etc. I've done most of the research, but I was hoping to interview a couple of people who have actually gone through the process (or have tried and failed!). So, if you or anyone you know has tried this most daunting task, could you e-mail me or give me a call at (415) 773-6360? When I am done with the project, I am hoping to have it printed up and available through various organizations for free or at cost. This "personal angle" aspect will help make a worthwhile project all the better. Thanks for your eye time and help. Arkay From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 00:02:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA08171; Mon, 6 May 1996 00:02:35 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA08165; Mon, 6 May 1996 00:02:31 -0700 Received: (from dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id AAA29202; Mon, 6 May 1996 00:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:02:23 -0700 (PDT) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: saving the world Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk there use to be these kinds of people that I use to see *all* the time at these types of things.even though we've never had any real conversations & made eye contact only a handful of times, I've allways gotten a distinct impression that it was understood that things were cool between us, but that could just be in my head, I couldn't say. whay I do know is that are Raver Superheros and they have the ablity to inspire me & quite a few others to be something better than we were before. If I was George Lucas I would have made an action figure of them already. Lately, their presance has becoming rarer, which is too bad, but at the same time that's taught me to appreciate more the people who are able to make it out on their sundays. appreciate that moment as it exists while it lasts. bunk drugs or not, I hang with cool people. and for that, I'm grateful. :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 01:01:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA11637; Mon, 6 May 1996 01:01:10 -0700 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA11632; Mon, 6 May 1996 01:01:07 -0700 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA27525; Mon, 6 May 1996 04:00:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 04:00:37 -0400 Message-ID: <960506040034_391576542@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: eidrah@vanbc.wimsey.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: MacDonald's Commercial Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My friend is in the party one, haven't seen it though...I think it was filmed at 1015... Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 06:06:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA09721; Mon, 6 May 1996 06:06:37 -0700 Received: from ucmsj.vatech.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA09714; Mon, 6 May 1996 06:06:34 -0700 From: tim744@silicon.email.net Received: (from mm@localhost) by ucmsj.vatech.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA23309 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 6 May 1996 06:06:32 -0700 Received: by silicon.email.net (ucm/3.1) id AA23075.002; Mon, 6 May 1996 06:06:32 PDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 06:06:31 PDT Subject: Big Thanks!! Message-Id: <9605060606.S341308601@silicon.email.net> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just wanted to say thanks to all the people that lended a hand for this picnic party. Thanks goes out to Ethan for brining the Sound system. John Carol for hauling it to and from. All the DJ's that spun at the party. Sorry your sets were not as long as I'd liked them to be. Thanks to all the people that help in anyway, and last but not least, all the people that showed. I hope everyone had a good time, I sure had a blast! Thanks for making it a really good time. Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 07:24:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA15515; Mon, 6 May 1996 07:24:25 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA15510; Mon, 6 May 1996 07:24:22 -0700 Received: from well (cubensis@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA29529; Mon, 6 May 1996 07:24:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 07:24:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bagby Subject: Re: MacDonald's Commercial To: Freak Zone cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960505162737.0abf4ede@ultima.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ugh! Yes, I saw it yesterday... part of "the Ronald grows up" ad campaign. Never mind the fact that as one of the largest beef-industry powerhouses, McDonalds is responsible for the clearcutting of forests for cattle-grazing land, or the destruction of sustainable agriculture in this and other countries.. etc, etc. Monoculture embracing the "rave vibe" stinks of a "Reality Bites"-like cynicism, IMHO. On Sun, 5 May 1996, Freak Zone wrote: > Has anybody seen the MacDonnald's commercial with Ronald dancing at a rave? > > > > -Sean > > _____________________________________ > F R E A K Z O N E ! > "House music all night long..." > (415) 227-7421 > _____________________________________ > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 07:57:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA17749; Mon, 6 May 1996 07:57:06 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA17743; Mon, 6 May 1996 07:57:03 -0700 Received: from (shawna-@wck-ca4-05.ix.netcom.com [199.35.213.133]) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA23835 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 07:55:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 07:55:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199605061455.HAA23835@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Fwd: possible raving roomie? (non-rave) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all: Well when I first posted this, I didn't get any real takers, so now that it's getting later in the year, I'll post it again & see if anybody's situations have changed at all. Hope to hear from some of ya! :) Love, Shawna ________________________________________________________________________ Ok, it's getting to be about that time that I've GOT to get out of the Concord area!! So, for anybody who's interested, this is what I'm looking for: I am looking to move out of my current apartment and move into a house somewhere in the Berkeley/North Oakland area. I will probably begin looking for places in May with the intention of doing the actual move in June. I'm not in any situation where I'm required to move, so this time around I'm really going to take the time to find the perfect place & a nifty roommate to share the place with. Last time I was in a desperte situation to find a roommate and ended up with a religious Catholic fresh out of rural Minnesota for the first time in his life! A nice guy of course, but is not someone who is "on my level" if you know what I mean. So this time I will search for & find a roomie more on that level with me! :) Hence my posting to sfraves about this, a raving roommate would be much more to my liking! Anyway, to begin with, what I'm looking for is one roommate who can afford about the same as I can ($600-$650 a month) so we can get a fat house! I am definitely looking for a house this time, not an apartment, preferably with a bathtub & fireplace! :) (don't know how feasible this is, but something cool might just pop up, I have the time to look!) As far as the roommate is concerned, male or female, gay or straight, whatever, is fine. I work a normal 8-5 monday thru friday job, so I guess I'd want somebody who's more quiet on the weekdays (someone who probably works similar hours as me I suppose & thus doesn't rage loudly into the weekday nights ;), but does whatever on the weekends! I have a very sweet cat (has not yet once made a mistake in any other area other than her catbox, & always uses her scratching posts!). I have an apartment full of furniture, so someone with less than a complete set of furniture is just fine. I would probably (due to my cat) prefer someone who didn't have a dog, but another cat would be fine. Also, of course, would like an area that's safe for us to live in & safe for my cat to go outside & play. If anybody is interested, please email me privately & we'll talk about it! I think that's about it, if I can think of anything I left out, I'll post it as a P.S. thanks! Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 07:57:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA17915; Mon, 6 May 1996 07:57:35 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA17895; Mon, 6 May 1996 07:57:33 -0700 Received: from ecoman.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id HAA16677; Mon, 6 May 1996 07:57:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 07:57:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199605061457.HAA16677@cats.ucsc.edu> X-Sender: ecoman@darwin.ucsc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Steve Dennis Subject: Anyone know about the SC Warf on Thursdays? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I read on the SFR weekly happenings that there is techno, ambient (sp?), and rave music at the end of Santa Cruz warf on thursdays nights. Has anyone gone to this? Is it still happening? I will check it out this thursday if it is still going on, but if not I'm heading to the Blue Lagoon! Thanks Steve From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 08:16:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA19545; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:16:00 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA19539; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:15:57 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA22048; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:15:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:15:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Freak Zone cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: MacDonald's Commercial In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960505162737.0abf4ede@ultima.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I thought he was dancing in a nightclub!? On Sun, 5 May 1996, Freak Zone wrote: > Has anybody seen the MacDonnald's commercial with Ronald dancing at a rave? > > > > -Sean > > _____________________________________ > F R E A K Z O N E ! > "House music all night long..." > (415) 227-7421 > _____________________________________ > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 08:45:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA21844; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:45:18 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA21839; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:45:16 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA04731 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 May 1996 08:44:44 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA22048 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:45:06 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA16378 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:44:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:44:59 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Beautiful People was just that! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am still in awe over Friday Night's Beautiful People! As I said throughout the night, the Harmony Crew delivers :) This was one of the best parties, and best personal party experiences, that I've ever had. Right when I got there and met Jess, Renaud, and other new and older friends outside, I had a good feeling about the party. The only negative aspect that I can think of was the water situation (big surprise, eh?). People who put on parties need to be more aware, and take more control, of the way water is handled. It's the only thing that I heard others complain about. The music was great throughout the night; only at the beginning, and somewhere in the middle, were there times when there was either uninspired-sounding or too-hard-sounding (for this boy) stuff played; the rest of the time I got more dancing in than I usually do. There was plenty of trance to be enjoyed. Everyone on the floor was having a blast, and it was pretty packed as the night went on, but it was never too crowded down there, and never got too hot and stuffy, so I was comfortable the whole time. As it was a Harmony party, almost all my friends from The Crew were there, and (like everyone else there) they were all in very positive, upbeat spirits. Everyone I saw was quick to smile; even Jenny seemed happier than usual! I was so surprised to see many newer friends, some whom I haven't seen in a while. It was a joy to introduce some newer friends, like Leslie, to some of my older friends in the Crew. It was like Crysalis, in that I was either seeing friends or making new friends the entire time, but much more so. Highlights of my experience: giving Greg a donation to the Harmony fund, which I've been wanting to do for some time now (made me feel so good to contribute something); meeting a beautiful, friendly gal named Melanie, and (since she had no money and no EnhancEmEnts) giving her her first-ever ExpEriEncE; being kissed by not one, but TWO gals (and I wish I could recall who they were, as we'd just met; one of them had a tongue piercing, and asked if I'd like to kiss someone who had one. Of course I said "Sure!" and it was a delightful first for me :)); having people recognize me from my description and introduce themselves, and recognizing others who described themselves (didn't meet everyone, though...next time!); loving everyone, and receiving so much love and friendliness from everyone. I even enjoyed staying and helping to take down the decorations; I found a Beautiful People laminate, and Greg said I could have it (BONUS!). I said good-bye to everyone, and made the acquaintance of a guy named Thomas, who had some sort of British accent (I think) and rides a white motorcycle. Then I made my way back to the South Bay to get some breakfast and to call my friend Sara to say I was on my way to see her (in the Modesto area; I put hundreds of miles on my truck over the weekend!). High praise and lots of love to the Harmony crew for giving us an incredible space, it was beautiful and comfortable in classic Harmony style; thanks to everyone there for all the love, smiles, hugs, kisses, candy, and other diversions ;). I am very happy to have also been a part of everyone else's good time, and I know we will share many more wonderful experiences in the future. The scene thrives!!! Love and Harmony to all, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 08:48:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA22092; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:48:15 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA22083; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:48:12 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id IAA23705; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605061548.IAA23705@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: Veggie Beat Manifesto Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Went to Sunset yesterday and experienced my first Berkley Marina event. I've heard so much about that place, it was nice to get to finally experience it. Just happened to be wearing a Meat Beat Manifesto shirt, and while talking with a friend about them, he informed me they were playing at the Edge in Palo Alto with Single Cell Orchestra and freaky Chakra. So we took off and headed on down there. I was told that they played under the name Veggie Beat Manifest because it was to be a practice show for thier up coming tour. Less than 100 people showed up, give or take some of course. We caught about 45 minutes of Freaky and Single Cell, and they rocked. I couldn't stop buggin, boppin and generally flailing the whole time. I was a little bummed when they stopped, cuz I was really into it. Meat Beat was great. There were atleast four people on stage. Jack, a drummer, a saxaphon/guitar/bass player, another guy on keyboards and a Therimen (sp?). They played new stuff, as well as some old favorites like Helter Skelter, which I was just ranting and raving about hearing it at Sunset last weekend. Coincidence? I don't think so. They were great, as usual, but I'm biased because I've liked them for so long. Glad I was included in the loop. They will be in Sacramento on Tuesday, playing 5 minutes from my house. :) Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 08:50:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA22275; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:50:05 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA22265; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:50:01 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA04985 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 May 1996 08:49:34 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA22471 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:49:57 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA17146 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 08:49:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:49:54 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Lets change the subject Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Crunchman writes: >My idea is to form "Pick up points" located in convenient spots >in the Bay Area. People who have room in their cars, show up >at the pickup point, and take as many people as they can. > >The SFRaves mailing list is perfect for announcing those rides >that are available at the pickup points. Specific pickup points >can be proposed and made "Official". Those who have cars and >want company, can meet at pickup points, privately arranged >through SFRaves. > >If needed, I can make my 800 number available for putting those >with cars in touch with those without cars, in case they can't read >their mail on sat night prior to going out. > >The Crunchman So, what do y'all think of this idea? I know it would help many people who are sometimes/always in need of a ride, and we should try to get as many of our friends and family to as many events as possible, to strengthen our scene and spread the love. I hope to become involved if some sort of coordinated transportation effort sees fruition. Thanx, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 09:35:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA26680; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:35:06 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA26669; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:35:02 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA07192 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 May 1996 09:34:09 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA26544; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:34:30 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA26127; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:31:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:31:46 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tim744@silicon.email.net From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Big Thanks!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I had fun for the hour I was there. It was great seeing so many friends again, especially new friends I met the night before! Let's do this again; maybe it could become a somewhat regular (monthly or bi-monthly?) event, and maybe Eric P. could show up while there's still plenty of flesh on the grill! Lollipop licks to all :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 09:55:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA29235; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:55:33 -0700 Received: from gatekeeper.bankamerica.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA29227; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:55:30 -0700 Received: by gatekeeper.bankamerica.com; id AA22178; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:39:52 -0700 Received: by iwww.bankamerica.com; id AA21135; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:40:55 -0700 Received: by mailhub.bankamerica.com; Mon, 6 May 96 09:34:53 -0700 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=attmail/; Relayed; 06 May 96 09:34:46 -0800 X400-Received: by mta BofA-MTA in /c=US/admd=attmail/; Relayed; 06 May 96 09:34:46 -0800 X400-Mts-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=attmail/; 072AA318E2A26001-attmail] Content-Identifier: 072AA318E2A26001 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 ( 2 ) Conversion: Allowed Conversion-With-Loss: Allowed Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Michael.Minnich@BankAmerica.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <05069609345402936400.bankamerica.com> Date: 06 May 96 09:34:46 -0800 From: Michael To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: harmony, down to earth, sunset Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Let's see, my weekend recap for all you anxious subscribers: This weekend was one of self-sufficiency, of navigating this city by bus and foot, for the most part anyway. Friday night the pick was Beautiful People. After a veritable adventure on the Muni trying to get myself and my two friends down to the location, I was a little bummed to discover that it was at The Deli. I'd been there once before and nightmare memories flooded back of thousands of people packed in like sardines and water being an extremely rare commodity as opposed to sweat which was in great abundance due to the intolerable temperature. The Harmony party turned out quite different however. I don't know what force defined its attendance, or if it achieved its 800 person capacity, but as far as I was concerned, there was a perfect number of people. Pleasantly full, yet plenty of room to dance and move around. The vibe was 100% Playskool, which is perf ectly okay; everyone was having a good time. The music was on and off. The first guy I heard, the one before Ethan, was pretty horrible. But Ethan brought things back together with some minimal wacked out techno. The guy after Ethan (I think his name was Trent...?) was REALLY good. Hard hard weird acid bordering on hardcore. Then came Dan; you either love him or roll your eyes at him. At that point I lost track of the music and kind of drifted off in a corner. I did get a ride home from some Stanford kids, so big ups to the Palo Alto massive! Saturday night led me solo to Down to Earth. I wasn't really psyched on this party, but as it turned out, I had a LOT of fun at it. The space was really REALLY cool. Another one of these ubiquitous live-art-work spaces, but this one was classy. Upstairs (the first place you enter) was very colorful and arty, pictures and sculptures everywhere. There was no smoking inside, but they had a cool little patio that the smokers hung out in. Going downstairs led you first to an intimate tripped out chill room. Very cool looking space area, but I always find those things a little hard to infiltrate when I'm all alone. Everyone is packed into every available floorspace looking happy as a clam, with their best friend to their right and their second best friend to their left. Beyond that was the "main" dance area, which was equally intimate, but still very cool. The music started off the jam. The first dj (name of Aleka or something) was slammin'. I always like to be pleasantly surprised by dj's I've never heard of before who are very good. Makes up for all the dj's I've heard of 10,000 times who still suck. I liked the vibe at this party; it wasn't a I'm-on-E-are-you-too????? vibe like BP, but people were still soberly friendly and open and down with it all. Plus the assorted upstairs/downstairs chill areas were good for conversation. Sunday was a beautiful Sunset at the Marina. For some lame reason, I've lived in this city six months now and this was the first sunset I'd been to. I certainly will try not to miss one again. Totally beautiful, kickin', dj-jazzy-jeff-and-the-fresh-prince-'sum-sum-sum-sum-summertime' vibe. Can I just add that I love seeing young kids (under 10 or whatever) at outdoor parties like this. Truly K-rAd, d00d. For future reference, if any of you guys or gals ever find yourselves itching for the weekend not to end on a Sunday (or a Saturday or whatever), give me or Doug Zimmerman a call because we always chill Sunday evenings at our house spinning wax with superstar DJ James Dee of Chrysalis / Disco 2000 / NASA / Djax fame (winner last three years of DMC int'l DJ competition). ;) We live at Divis & Fulton, if you're in the neighborhood. inhuman@ghetto.of.the.mind From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 09:59:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA29655; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:59:39 -0700 Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA29649; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:59:35 -0700 Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id MAA01263; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:58:58 -0400 Date: 06 May 96 12:55:29 EDT From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Wow, What a Weekend! Message-ID: <960506165529_71165.755_GHL98-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hardly know how to begin to describe how wonderful this weekend was ... and in a very great part to all of the amazing people on SFR! We learn from everything -- someties with baby steps, sometimes with giant steps -- this weekend was a huge leap for me! I had some personal insights about who I am and why I am part of this scene --- R Raving has changed me in so many ways, and I am in a wonderful transitional period in my life, and it could not happen without every one of you. Harmony had one of the best vibes I ever have experienced at a party -- I got there really early, thinking I'd buy my ticket and come back, but there were already about 10 SFRavers waiting outside, so I decided to start my night right there, and it was all good, better and best from then on in.... To the people who put that party together, THANK YOU for all of your hard work, you made a beautiful environment for us, filled with positive messages. I met SOOOOO many people I couldn't possibly name them all, but between my old friends Todd (SDream), Marty, Eric, Shawna, and my new friends Jess (send me your phone # pls, woman), Amy, Paul, Renaud, Katrina (waiting for that first post, you promised), Sarah, Terry, Kristen, Melissa, Stacey (I am so happy to have personally met you, I can't wait to come to your next party) -- and .... uh-oh I think I lost a few braincells, sorry! -- It was an amazing night for me... I drove home over the Bay Bridge at sunrise, listening to groovy acid jazz and smiling like a maniac.... fell asleep with the same smile on my face... And then, I pulled myself out of a deep sleep early Saturday (ok, it was 2pm) to finish making my potato salad and cruise over to the BBQ -- Let's all take a moment to say THANK YOU TIM (KNUCKLEHEAD) for putting this together! If you missed it, he brought a huge barbeque and cooked food all day long for everyone! Lots of food and wonderful music, and a chance to see my old and new friends again, plus meet even MORE SFRavers -- like Larry, Phred, BioJeff (do not miss this guy spinning!), Ethan, Matt P.K. L, the amazing Moshe, Michael M, (sorry braincells drained, there were millions more) plus lots of other friends -- and hi B.A., maybe you can marinate me some veggies next time? -- It was like being at a huge family picnic, except these are the people you WISH were in your actual family! And then.... Yes, I am a diehard -- it was a short nap and on to Wicked, because it was my opportunity to meet both Geoff White AND John S. Lee -- you guys are great, I am so happy to have had the chance to meet you face to face! (For those who are curious, picture John with a big friendly smile on his face!) And then Chris from Solle Clothing was there too! And Dianna T -- plus some other friends came who had never experienced the harder, darker, funkier Wicked Vibe -- and they were not disappointed! And Sunday, yes, it is the day of rest, thank god! My gratitude and love to everyone who I saw, spoke with, exchanged ideas with, hugged, this weekend ---- You have all made me a better person! Love to everyone! Leslie : ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 10:05:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA00660; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:05:17 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA00647; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:05:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfogler@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) with SMTP id KAA89164 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:05:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:05:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess Fogler To: sfraves Subject: BP - 8 miles high Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk WHOAH - someone pull me off the ceiling....BP just bust my heart right open...I think I'm in love with y'all. jess From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 10:18:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA02022; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:18:33 -0700 Received: from whiz.mfi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA02011; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:18:30 -0700 Received: from ccmail3.mfi.com by whiz.mfi.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15505; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:06:04 -0700 Received: from ccMail by mfi.com id AA831401920 Mon, 06 May 96 09:58:40 PST Date: Mon, 06 May 96 09:58:40 PST From: "Waterstreet, Andrea" Encoding: 870 Text Message-Id: <9604068314.AA831401920@mfi.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: blue lagoon in santa cruz? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk All youse Santa Cruz folk...can anyone give me an update of what's been happening at the Blue Lagoon? Waaay back in 1989, when I was a student at UCSC, it was the only place in Santa Cruz that had house music--and the only place to actually *dance* without having some slob try and "dirty dance" you. The DJ's name was Eric Berg--and he eventually became my significant other. He played house, and for an aberrent while , techno, up until 1993, when we moved to SF. I remember that the owner, this guy named Freddy, was, shall we say, not entirely hip to Eric's house scene, and was always wanting him to play the Cure or Depeche mode. So...what's it like now?? Andrea >>>>sometimes i feel like puttin my hands up in the air<<<<<<< From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 10:25:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA02642; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:25:31 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA02609; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:25:21 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA23135 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA27849; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:24:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:24:29 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Newsweek-Herbal E To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk FYI-- Herbal E products have been outlawed in Florida. (Read in the Chronicle) --kaysee kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu .*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* "Talk is cheap..." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 10:41:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA04330; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:41:18 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA04324; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:41:15 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA29558; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA02239; Mon, 6 May 1996 10:39:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:39:47 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Review: Beautiful People by Harmony To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199605042019.NAA10578@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 4 May 1996, SDream wrote: > > We came well-equipped. The night before, Michelle and I raided the local > Toys-R-Us and came away with glo-sticks, Floam, Pez, bubbles, various > stickers, a ladybug hand puppet. I picked up grapes, oranges, and the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Said hand puppet didn't really count 'cuz it only had 5 legs. *I* had the real one with six legs :P tee hee hee But, SDream's ladybug and my ladybug bonded, and even danced together, mine putting his mutant one to shame!! :P hee hee And everyone will be glad to know that SDream helped her earn her name!! She will now be joining me at all future events. :) > 3. Lot's of very good artwork (my favorite: "I am the Sun, you are the Moon, > we are ... ---radiant From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 11:31:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA09270; Mon, 6 May 1996 11:31:04 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09263; Mon, 6 May 1996 11:31:01 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp031-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.31]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id LAA05582 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 11:31:00 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960506183121.00834000@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 11:31:21 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Electric 99 Subject: Re: Lets change the subject Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>My idea is to form "Pick up points" located in convenient spots >>in the Bay Area. People who have room in their cars, show up >>at the pickup point, and take as many people as they can. >So, what do y'all think of this idea? I know it would help many people who >are sometimes/always in need of a ride, and we should try to get as many of >our friends and family to as many events as possible, to strengthen our >scene and spread the love. I hope to become involved if some sort of >coordinated transportation effort sees fruition. sounds like a good idea. i live on the peninsula and i always drive into the city, so i've always got room for a couple people.. should anyone need a ride, feel free to call me up (415.341.1897) and leave a message on my answering machine. if it's busy, i'm online. email might be a better bet than vox, even. brendan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 11:55:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA11216; Mon, 6 May 1996 11:55:08 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA11210; Mon, 6 May 1996 11:55:05 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id LAA07890; Mon, 6 May 1996 11:54:45 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <960506165529_71165.755_GHL98-1@CompuServe.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:54:38 -0800 To: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com>, "sfraves@hyperreal.com" From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Wow, What a Weekend! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:55 PM -0400 5/6/96, Leslie Ayres wrote: >finish making my potato salad and cruise over to the BBQ -- Damn! That was sum gooooood potato salad girl! Thank YOU! And that's from a very discerning PS palate. :^) Tone From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 12:13:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA12894; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:13:21 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA12888; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:13:18 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id MAA08484; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:13:08 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199605042019.NAA10578@shellx.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:13:01 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Review: Beautiful People by Harmony Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:39 AM -0700 5/6/96, KaySEE wrote: >> 3. Lot's of very good artwork (my favorite: "I am the Sun, you are the >>Moon, >> we are ... >---radiant "I am the sun, you are the moon, together we are radiant." Also, Eric wrote: >I had a good feeling about the party. The only negative aspect that I can think of was the water situation (big surprise, eh?). People who put on parties need to be more aware, and take more control, of the way water is handled. It's the only thing that I heard others complain about.< They had no control over the water situation. There are some things that promoters can't control, i.e., the rules of the house. You see the whole situation around the water stem from the guys that run the deli. NOT (I repeat, NOT) Harmony. In fact, Harmony risked being punished by sneaking in boxes of water and passing them out secretly throughout the night. It was the best they could do, besides maybe duct taping the "water guard" guy near the bathrooms. Before the party, I spoke with the guy that was just finishing the mural on the side of the building. (Word is, he mixed in some flourescent paints and they will be lighting it up with black lights. The outside at least is going to look very "rave" related. It's a cool mural.) I asked him what he thought of the management. He said they were very cool. I immediately brought up the water issue (I heard last party they were selling bottles for $3), saying that it's bullshit to not let water in the party, deny people water from the bathrooms (read: refills), and charge $3 for bottles that we all know cost $.50 at most. He said that a large group (not a mob though) should approach them with this concern. I don't know if it would work, but might be worth a try. See ya! Tone From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 12:25:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA14376; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:25:53 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA14368; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:25:49 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA29531 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA00963; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:22:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:22:13 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Reply-To: KaySEE Subject: BEAUTIFUL People (LONG) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am actually kind of surprised to not find more about BP today. (I hope everyone keeps posting about it, it was wonderful!!) Well, here I am poised to give my synopsis (actually bordering on novella!) of a truly remarkable event!! On Friday I started getting more and more excited as the day went on. I knew this was going to be a wonderful party and that I was finally going to meet a lot of people on sfraves. As soon as I got off work around 5ish, I took off for the city to meet my friend. Not having a lot of time because the party started early, we jammed over to the Haight to indulge in some funky clothes to get ourselves in the spirit. As we got there, we missed the Olympic torch run by nanoseconds. We ran down the Haight in pursuit only to see the caravan disappear over the hill. We must have looked pretty silly!! We both bought obnoxious shirts, but at least I now have a piece of clothing that will make me more noticeable!! :P We got to the party a bit before 10 pm, stressing out that it was going to sell out which I heard never happened. I was told that about half of the total amount came (~500) which was the *perfect* amount. At its peak it was just crowded enough to be engulfed in a pervasive glow, but at the same time, you could always find a bit of dancing room if you wanted it. Plus, there was air conditioning on the dance floor, which helped me keep my energy the whole night. Getting there early was great because we heard every dj, got to dance with an open dance floor, and got to experience the party from beginning to end. As soon as my friend and I arrived, we hooked up with Jess and erase99. The four of us stayed together most of the night, and it really seemed like a natural combination. Jess and erase99 went a bit ballistic in the beginning and wore themselves out later on, but somehow they managed to get their feets moving again, especially Jess. I met tons of sfravers and their friends, and I tried really hard to commit everyone's name to memory which I think I did pretty well. I can't wait to see everyone again. Let's see if I can work my brain here: hi to Ivana, Sarah, Renaud, Paul, Jess, erase99 (Brendan), Leslie, Chin (w/ water bottle), SDream (and Michelle), Marty, Shawna, Tim (Giggle Rock-please email me!), Matthew (who we painted an eye on forehead), Nancy (of course!!), Eric (who has forgotten he met me!!), and other non-sfravers. (If I have forgotten anyone, please email me and chew me out!!) The space was beautiful. There was a main dance floor with a balcony overhead where you could look out on all sides. I enjoyed watching from above. The space itself has these green lights which, when added with the black lights, made a funky glow. It was the perfect brightness for me. YOu could see everyone clearly, but it wasn't too bright. I love being able to see people because I can connect with them better that way. We danced off and on, wandering around, chatting with people. Waiting for hours for the women's restroom. (Women take so dang long! :) I had no problem with the water situation because we managed to sneak in water bottles, and had no run-ins with the Bathroom Nazi's. At one point, someone placed a whole case of Calistogas in the back corner. Everyone grabbed them. I don't know if they were heisted from the establishment, or if some Harmony pixies were behind it!! But, at least some people got free water. Around 1 am we even had a little sfraves corner going. A bunch of us were settled around the corner with the animation dancing and chatting BEST EXPERIENCES OF THE EVENING: Around 3 am I discovered this key airconditioned spot on the dance floor. I then proceeded to spend the next 3 hours dancing my ass off. This was the first time I had truly discovered the DANCE FLOOR. My most amazing experiences come from the time I spent there. First, I must say that air conditioning is key for sustainable energy. Also, once I started, I didn't stop because I knew I'd never start again. Amazing experience #1 When I first started dancing, I found my "spot", that perfect place where you know your body *belongs*. As I started warming up and absorbing the music, I began to feel the vibe around me. There was this guy behind me that was already in his "space" and had this enormous grin on his face. He was 100% in tune with the music and you could tell he was having a fantastic time. I totally knew how he felt because that's how I feel when I get absorbed by the music. The corners of my mouth begin to turn upward, and I become ecstatic. I feel completely one with the world and feel endlessly happy. Anyway, I was enjoying dancing and soaking up the vibe, especially what was emanating from the guy behind me. Then, at one point I turned around and he was gone :( I could immediately feel his absence, and had to go find him to tell him so. I didn't get to talk to him much, but his name was Nathaniel (if he is on this list or anyone knows him, can you let me know?) I really hope I get to share some dance space with him sometime in the future. His energy really affected me! Amazing experience #2 As I was dancing, I noticed that the people right in front of the dj's were NOT dancing. I thought that I'd share my energy, and ran up to two of the people not dancing, and started encouraging them to dance. I wouldn't take NO as an answer and I succeeded in getting them to move. It was really cool, and one of the guys came up and thanked me later. That was fun. I wanted to get everyone on the dance floor moving!! I am contemplating next time I go out to wear a flourescent sign that says "DANCE"!!! Amazing experience #3 Towards the end of the party, I was in one of the corners completely absorbed in watching three women dance. They were feeding off of one another, and were very graceful dancers. I joined in for a bit as the sun was coming up!! Amazing experience #4 Also towards the end, seeing this guy dancing, look at his friend who then began to dance, and then the two of them hugging and then proceeding to dance together. Lovely! Amazing experience #5 I brought my flourescent marker (water soluble, so no worries about tagging!) and shared it with a bunch of people. Jess drew something on my eyes, I still have no idea what! It was cool to pass it around and have everyone draw on themselves and then to see them glowing!! So that is my VERY long review. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, Harmony. I truly appreciated your efforts and was glad to be a part of everything that occurred!! --Kaysee (aka Kirsten) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 12:27:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA14467; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:27:25 -0700 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA14462; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:27:23 -0700 Received: (from branka@localhost) by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA19764; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:27:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:27:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Branka Cehic Reply-To: Branka Cehic Subject: What a weekend (long) ... To: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have to quote a friend of mine who says that almost every weekend is like a vacation. It's true :), I feel like I haven't been at work for quite some time (not that I want to be here, but...). Fri - Harmony/BP WOW... Beautiful setting, beautiful people, wonderful music... Even the Nazi water guy was nice to me (which I didn't understand). He took water bottles from so many people in front of me, but when I was walking in the bathroom (with my water bottle sticking out of my front pocket), he purposely turn his head away. Maybe all the positive energy overwhelmed him for a sec :P. I noticed he was gone later :). I met so many people that night and hang out with old friends - Tony - you know the big Ukranina guy, Sy, Melissa, Terry, Adam, Ian, Amy & Paul, Eric, Leslie, Tim, Paul, Sarah, Paul, Jonathan, Sarah, Chin (way too many Pauls and Sarahs - I don't remember last names). Great meeting you all and hanging out :). I even met another person from Croatia there (born in the same city) - hey Zoran :). The party was just so wonderful and thanks to the organizers for putting so much love and energy into it. Sat day BBQ - it was so nice. The weather was great, the party was small and it felt very relaxing. There was plenty of food, music was great and I loved it. Thanks Tim :). I felt like I knew almost everybody there, either from Harmony the night before or from before. It was great. Sunday Sunset :). I called at 1:30 and there was no VM, so I was a little bummed, but at 4pm, great surprise... there was Sunset after all. Sunset was happening - many, many happy people dancing around. It was fun, although a little cold. There were people at Sunset I saw three days in a row. Amazing :). No better way to finish the weekend. What a life!!!!! Hope to see you guys soon, and have a great week. Hugz, Branka P.S. Sorry for the lenght of this, I just can't get my mind of it.... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 12:35:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA15189; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:35:41 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA15181; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:35:38 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA31006 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA03706; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:32:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:32:13 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: SFR BBQ To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I got there about 4:30 with cookies and Pepsi in hand. I then proceeded to meet tons of people (you know who you are!!!). I didn't dance too much because I was too exhausted from BP. I managed a few 15 minute spurts of energy, but mainly I concentrated on hangin out!! The food was terrific, my favorite being Leslie's potato salad (can I have that recipe?) and CTD's strawberry pies! Everyone was terrific and I have now inherited this spongy ball from Matt that is to be passed on at some future event! I took the rest of the weekend easy, and somehow managed to miss sunset again. Damn, I have yet to make it out there :( --kaysee kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu .*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* "Talk is cheap..." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 12:47:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA16622; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:47:58 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA16617; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:47:54 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp031-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.31]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id MAA10156 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:47:53 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960506194814.0083678c@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 12:48:14 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Electric 99 Subject: harmony Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk just a short post. i'm completely swamped with work and school right now. :( had an amazing time, it's too bad i had to leave early. greets to everyone who was there, a special thanks to kirsten for the flourescent marker, todd for the grapes, and jess for the cookies and being a becon of happyness. my own experience with the water situation: i trashed my water bottle outside the party, but jess and paul managed to sneak theirs in. when i was upstairs in the bathroom, the "water nazi" caught someone filling up their bottle and just told them that he didn't want to see it, and to stick it in their pocket when they came out. he was certainly cool about it, and i think the nazi comparison might be a bit much. they _were_ just doing their job, and it was cool that that let people sneak some water, while maintaining the image that noone was getting any. i did see one of the security guy pissed though. he came into the washroom and demanded that someone tell him who the asshole dealing acid was, because "someone is in a padded room now because of that fuck-up". luckily, that was the only negative aspect of my whole night. oh yah.. todd has the coolest toys too! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 12:49:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA16723; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:49:13 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA16717; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:49:10 -0700 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id MAA25624; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:49:00 -0700 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id MAA29018; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:48:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" Subject: Re: MacDonald's Commercial To: Reagan Reid cc: Freak Zone , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes I have and thought it quite odd. I didn't know what to think of it. I can't wait for it to continue so we get to see what the hell is going on with this. On Mon, 6 May 1996, Reagan Reid wrote: > > > I thought he was dancing in a nightclub!? > > > > > On Sun, 5 May 1996, Freak Zone wrote: > > > Has anybody seen the MacDonnald's commercial with Ronald dancing at a rave? > > > > > > > > -Sean > > > > _____________________________________ > > F R E A K Z O N E ! > > "House music all night long..." > > (415) 227-7421 > > _____________________________________ > > > > > ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\__\ /\ \ /::| | /:/ / /::\ \ /:|:| | /:/__/ /:/\:\ \ /:/|:|__|__ /::\ \ ___ /:/ \:\ \ /:/ |::::\__\ ~ /:/\:\ /\__\ /:/__/_\:\__\ \/__/~~/:/ / \/__\:\/:/ / \:\ /\ \/__/ /:/ / \::/ / \:\ \:\__\ /:/ / /:/ / \:\/:/ / /:/ / /:/ / \::/ / \/__/ADAME \/__/ \/__/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 12:58:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA17945; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:58:10 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA17940; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:58:06 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA17101 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 May 1996 12:57:39 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA17034 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:58:02 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13296 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:57:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:57:58 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Ravepool Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey gang! Is this something we can work on? - E >What we need right now is a list and location from those that have cars. >So if you have a car, and want to take a fellow raver please send me >Email right away with the following information. > >Your location: >How many people can take: > >Also include any other partenent information. > >The next thing we need to do, is establish "pickup points", for instance >I'll name a few.... > >SOMA - 5th and Harrison Donut shop >Haight - Ameba or Freq-8 >Marin - Marin city, San Rafael, Sausalito >San Jose - (I'll leave that up to those that live down there) >Penninsula - Mt View, Palo Alto, etc. >East Bay > Fremont > Hayward > Oakland > Concord > > > >Ideally, I will want to use my 800 number for coordinating these rides >but within a week, I'll have no permenent home (I have to move due to lack >of a job) > >So, lets use this list to work out a workable system. > >The Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 13:08:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA18953; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:08:36 -0700 Received: from overhead.bigbook.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA18892; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:08:24 -0700 Received: from [207.76.139.151] (madcow.bigbook.com [207.76.139.151]) by overhead.bigbook.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA14157 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:08:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:07:37 +0100 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Ethan Miller Subject: MAD and MADNESS Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings Friends! Well, after two weeks at V, none of us liked it, nor did we like the 21+ aspect, so, we've bailed =) MAD is therefore on hiatus for an as now unknown amount of time. Once again thanks for the support, we all really appreciate it. In the meantime however, MAD, Gateway Systems, and some other Friends, get together for an evening of "Madness," this coming saturday, May 11th. Lineup is: John Carel, Jon Santos, Ethan, Alex, Joe Rice, and, from London, Pete Lazonby =) More info at: 415.281.9432 or 415.985.7187 hope you can join us! ethan -----------------------------( ethan miller )----------------------------- -------------------( http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/ )------------------- -------( you're only paranoid if they're not really watching you )-------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 13:15:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA19651; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:15:24 -0700 Received: from ix7.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA19634; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:15:21 -0700 Received: from wck-ca6-18.ix.netcom.com by ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA00738; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:14:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:14:36 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960505222433.2b4fcf4e@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "hey, where am I?" Subject: Anybody know where I can pick up a Trent tape? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! I *really* enjoyed hearing Trent at beautiful People, does anybody know if he has tapes out or where I could get them? Amebas, have you got 'em? Thanks! Love, Shawna "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 13:18:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA20042; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:18:58 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA20032; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:18:54 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA22858 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:41:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:41:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199605061941.MAA22858@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Big Thanks!! X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Eric P. wrote: >I had fun for the hour I was there. It was great seeing so many friends >again, especially new friends I met the night before! >Let's do this again; maybe it could become a somewhat regular (monthly or >bi-monthly?) event, and maybe Eric P. could show up while there's still >plenty of flesh on the grill! It sounds like, to do that, we'd have to make some contributions of some kind to make it worthwhile. I would gladly ante up for this! Anyone else? Seriously, folx, it was a really nice event, and would be well worth a few bucks. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 13:21:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA20259; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:21:00 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA20253; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:20:57 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA22756 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 12:41:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:41:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199605061941.MAA22756@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Harmony, BBQ, Wicked X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oooooohhh....I'm so tired... This past weekend -> Friday: Beautiful People by Harmony Saturday day: SFR BBQ Saturday night: Wicked Sunday: TV. Flopped on the couch. All day. I'll say it again, Harmony kicked down some serious energy Friday night. Wow! New friends: Jess, Paul, Ms Phink, Renaud, Sarah, Kirsten, Melissa, Michael, Adam (what a huge grin!), oh geez I can't possibly think of them all... Marty, Sabrina, Michelle and I will never forget that one! But I'm voting Tim (Knucklehead) for "Raver of the Month". What a guy! A simple, yet really nice BBQ -- *tasty* food, *great* music, *warm* vibe! Black Adder's marinade was pretty weak though -- just kidding! It was killing me it was so good! Got to see almost everyone from the night before -- even the ladybug puppet -- and I got a chance to chat with Wayne. Great guy! I was going to bring pies, but I got up way too late. So I ran my crew over to the BBQ, then took off in search of a deli to pick up a veggie dish. I ended up in a SERIOUSLY rough neighborhood in Richmond. They were filming an episode of "Cops" in front of the first grocery store I stopped at...(j/k)... I never found anything remotely resembling a deli, so my veggie dish was: Texan Mesquite flavored Frittos. And beer. Sorry... I just read the message from Larry about the generator. Tim, we owe ya BIG one, bud... Wicked was a helluva a lot of fun, if you just wanted to dance. This is not the place to find a huge family vibe, but the music was *really* good. Bass is your friend. EXCELLENT acid visuals. Up by the DJ were the ravers, and I found some big smiles there, including one on a face belonging to a high voltage young lady named Heather. That girl was MOVING! But closer to the bar were the beefy boys ("pardon me sir, but is that a tire pump sticking out of your ...") and the look-but-don't-even-think-about-talking-to-me girls. The ladies are certainly nice visually if entirely unfriendly, but the beefy boys are standing around with no shirt on and not one drop of sweat to account for it. There was one short, beefy guy who I began thinking of as "Stubby". His arms and legs belonged on someone with a much shorter torso. But this guy I liked: he was really dancing his butt off and seemed to be having a really good time, not just posing. Leslie, Marty, and I danced our booties off, although Leslie flaked out early -- wimp! (hehe) Marty and I were there until 6am. And folks, we got to meet: JOHN S. LEE. So what's he like? He's a PUNK! (just kidding!) No, John's a really nice guy with a great smile. Hey John, sorry I didn't chat more, but I have given up trying to have conversations at these events. I'll call you in the next couple of days instead, ok? As it is, I lost my voice over the weekend. If anyone finds it, please drop me a line, ok? Hope you didn't detect any 10,000 year old funk while standing next to me... ;) Anyway, just wanted to drop everyone a line and thank you all for making this weekend one of the best I've had in a long time. You people are so wonderful and so friendly, and this whole scene has really filled a huge space within me. I yearned for a place and a people where I could be a little kid, where I could be friendly and outgoing, and where I could be just as crazy as I wanted. I'm expressing myself as I've never been able to, with the community I find myself in responding with warmth and friendship, and I love you all for that. Huge Grinz and Phat Hugz, S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 13:39:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA22492; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:39:10 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA22473; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:38:59 -0700 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA26121; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:38:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: "John S. Lee" cc: sfraves Subject: What makes a rave? (long reply to JSL) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, I apologize for digging up this old message to respond to, but I had set John's post aside because he said a couple of things about the nature of raves that I found somewhat enlightening, although presumeably not in the way he intended. Because I knew I wanted to take some time and devote some quality thought to this reply, I put off responding for perhaps longer than is proper. My computer tells me that on Sun, 21 Apr 1996, John S. Lee shared (in part): > A lame threat? Naw, reality. I am not going to go because it is far to > religious for me. I mean, all these people have gotten into my little > scene, something I really loved, and turned it into a free form public art > forum. It distresees me that things aren't the way they were. Before there > were chill rooms, there was music and a dance floor. No Zamfir pan flute > music and a bunch of gropers on bean bags giving massages and reading tarot > cards by blacklight. Before rave became a free form public art forum, it > was just there for the dance. I guess I was limited in my thinking that > this would last. The only constant is change, and you can expect certain > change with a free form public art forum. No, I guess you're right, rave > is dead, long live rave. Now we truly have a direction, a vector in which > our free form public art forum can go. To flourish and blossom into a new > type of free form public art forum, where dance is no longer the purpose. > Where sex is an abstraction to be enshrined inside the wrappings of > psychobabble altar paper, to be used whenever the subject is broached so it > can be neatly presented, logical and clean. And I can see now how these > very ideas can exist within the context of a free form public art forum, > can not only free us from the confines of limited thinking but free us from > the problems and intricasies of humanity, where everything has an > explanation, where there are a million answers to everything, where there > are no answers at all. I am saddened at my loss of parties, rave or > whatever, but I do have some reassurance that the old ways have paved the > way to a new vista, a new adventure, a new free form public art forum. > > cmon... > > People go to parties to hear some good music, see some friends, dance and > have a good time. Everything else is bonus. I don't know how long John has been raving -- probably longer than I have -- but my perception of how it "used to be" is quite different than John's. When I first started going to raves at the beginning of 1992, the scene was not infused with the "back to basics" approach that seems to be so popular now. Now many people seem to want just a dark warehouse with a good DJ and sound system playing to a couple hundred people. When I began raving, I don't remember hearing anybody saying they wanted that. People liked the bells and whistles. Toon Town was the big party then -- they put on one-off events in big venues, for thousands of people like Cool World and Funky Tekno Tribe do now, only the vibe was more like a Friends & Family or a Harmony. Toon Town went all out with stuff like virtual reality, bouncy castles, carnival rides, vendors, brain wave machines, etc. I loved it, and others seemed to as well. It was new, it was exciting, it was fun! Going clubbing with friends back in the eighties, during and immediately following high school, what we got was a club with a DJ, alcohol, and a dance floor that stayed open till 2 a.m. People wore high heels and cologne and sparkling gold necklaces, but mostly they wore black. There were no whistles, no smiles, no stuffed animals, no waterguns, and few smiles. It was the addition of these missing factors, along with a creativity and a willingness to try things at parties that people weren't used to, like the vendors and the rides and stuff, (along with the arrival of techno and the evolution of house, of course) that made raves special and different for me, in a word, fun! When I started raving, I used to say to people all the time, "I had no idea going out dancing could be so much FUN!" It didn't matter that we went to big parties with thousands of people we didn't know, because everyone was cool and you could meet new people so easily, you didn't need a bunch of people you already knew to be there in order to enjoy yourself and feel accepted. I went to many parties alone and was welcomed into groups and made new friends. I'm sad that I didn't stay in touch with or try to establish lasting friendships with many of the ravers I met, but I still run into people on a regular basis who say, "Hey, I met you back at ______! Wow!" Before raves, if I told someone I felt going dancing at clubs was a spiritual experience, I don't think anyone would have related. In fact I never would have said that, because I never had reason to feel it. If someone had told me that, I probably would have looked at them as if they'd said going grocery shopping was a spiritual experience. Raving has changed that for me. At raves, I've had great conversations about meaning-of-life type stuff, and experienced transcendant bliss, as well as seeing others experience it. I've come to understand the importance of dance to the human condition, and to feel part of a sacred tribe. To me, clubbing was about music, dancing, and looking good in order to meet good-looking people. Raves can be about these things too, but they are about so much more, including the spiritual aspect. In short, I don't think rave was *ever* about "just dance." If it was about "just dance," I wouldn't call it a rave. Too much missing. Since I began raving, the scene has moved in that direction -- unfortunately, in my opinion. I miss the bells and whistles of an all-out massive. The Gathering is a large, good-vibe event, but it's not Toon Town. The creativity and diversity of fun experiences to be had aren't there. Now the focus is on DJs and music, and often little else. John implies that there were DJs spinning house music for groups of ravers (and by that I assume he means people with smiles and a good vibe) before the advent of fun, glossy flyers, and black lights, beanbags, and tarot readings. If so, I stand corrected; this wasn't my experience. Perhaps it goes to the issue of when raves began. In Britain, they were having warehouse parties with DJs spinning back-to-back tracks in the eighties, but until the arrival of Exstasy on the scene I would hesitate to call those events raves. Not having been there, I can't testify as to the vibe, but having seen groups of drunk English youths at parties, I'm skeptical as to whether alcohol-driven events could have really had the friendliness, openness, and lack of meat-market atmosphere that says rave to me. > This is all IMO of course. I'm still looking for clubs with house music. > Forget underground, I can't stand to get dirty, I need a club that sells > booze and stays open till 2 a.m. Where there are high heels and stockinged > legs. Where sage & wood necklaces have given way to sparkling gold > apparel, and capped teeth. Where I smell Gendarme cologne, instead of > stinky old arm & body hair sweat. I need a night on the town, where I can > wear some good clothes, and meet some top drawer people. Now this is REAL > house. And that's what I want! Dj of the evening? DJ P.Como, slammin the > cold rock stuff from 12-2 (who listens to music before 12). Martini's are > half price before 11! Some of this I can dig. I like getting "dolled up" to go out -- although I find wood necklaces and sage perfectly suitable -- and like John I generally prefer not to be stinky and dirty. But 2 a.m.? Fuck that! I want a place that stays open all night! The only reason we have clubs closing at 2 a.m. is because of fucked up drinking laws that treat responsible adults like children, imposed by a government that wants to control us "for our own good." Personally, I think alcohol tends to attract the wrong elements (and please note, "wrong elements" is not a code word for anything other than people who are unfriendly and do not have the vibe!) to raves, but some people have more fun at parties drunk, indeed some people *are* more fun drunk, and I respect that. If a drug makes you a friendlier, happier person, by all means indulge. Do it responsibly. > > People should respect everyones right to have a good time and catch a groove. Yes to that! I agree with John about not building an altar where people are trying to dance... just don't say not to build one at all. It's the tolerance for doing "uncool" stuff like that at a party that makes raves what they are. Much love, <<< Starchild >>> > > > Out, > John > > P.S. One of the reasons I don't go out is that I am surrounded, even > harassed by trancers and trance energies. I mean the brightness of the > auras, and all that vibe they send out is rather unnerving. I can't > concentrate on BBB's while they are around, filling the air with their > energies, essence, reaching higher plateaus of hummus. I just find it way > too distracting. Once, when I almost kicked one, a while back before I was > in the know about these things, I would learn a lesson I would not soon > forget. While trying to circledance, my foot was heading toward the back > of a trancers skull, my foot bounced off of some invisibile force. I can't > explain it, it just bounced off like it hit hard rubber. I got up from the > floor after losing my balance with that flying scissor kick rebound. The > trancer then looked up to me, calm, serene, and said, "Did you knock?". It > was like they were talking out of an echo chamber, "Hello, hello, hello!!!" > It was!, they were talking out of an echo chamber, but I didn't see one. > I knew then that I was dealing with something greater than myself. Humbled > , I slinked away, into the dark confines of a corner, trying to put myself > together. As I looked toward the dance floor, I couldn't see the trancer, > just a big blue ball hovering over the dancelfoor. I knew then that I > witnessed the birth, at that very moment, so crystalline, so clear, it was > the start of a free form public art forum. I knew then as I know now, that > I really was limited. I start my juggling classes and General Ed. > requirements for Urban Attention Getting. > > I knew then, to respect one and all trancers. They do good stuff. They > helped me get into juggling. > > ... > > > no more altars!, no more altars!, no more altars!, no more altars!,... > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 13:54:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA23874; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:54:17 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA23859; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:54:13 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.62] (pm1-ppp62.well.com [206.15.64.62]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA21447; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:54:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199605062054.NAA21447@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:55:37 +1000 To: Electric 99 From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Lets change the subject Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >should anyone need a ride, feel free to call me up (415.341.1897) and leave >a message on my answering machine. if it's busy, i'm online. email might be >a better bet than vox, even. >brendan I've got you added to my list. Do you know of a good "pickup point" like an "easy to get to" restaurant near you? Also, is this number you gave me the one that would reach you "Prior to the party", and would you make an effort to keep the line free a few hours before the party? Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 14:01:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA24602; Mon, 6 May 1996 14:01:29 -0700 Received: from alumnae.caltech.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA24595; Mon, 6 May 1996 14:01:23 -0700 Received: (from lenchang@localhost) by alumnae.caltech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA13258 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 6 May 1996 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chinley L. Chang" Message-Id: <199605062100.OAA13258@alumnae.caltech.edu> Subject: more Beautiful People stuff To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:00:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay, just in case everyone isn't tired of BP reviews yet... :) Great location, great setup, GREAT VIBE! I didn't think that I would like the balcony thing at first, this was my first party without a separate chill space, but it ended up working out great. It's a lot easier to get your energy level back up when you can look down on a floor filled with people dancing out of their minds ;) For awhile I alternated between dancing, chilling with the people I came with, and wandering around meeting people, including lotsa sfravers and friends! Then I was like, hey, its still early in the night, maybe I'll run around and do the spray bottle thing for half an hour and then chill and chat with everybody... Next thing I know someones complaining to me that the party's going to be OVER in 40 minutes. Stunned, I Iook out the door and see that it's *light* outside. Whoops. Where did the night go? :) Anyways, it was cool to meet all of you, maybe next time I'll actually get to TALK to some of you ;) and get introduced to those of you I haven't met yet. Thanks for all the energy and love, I haven't been that wired for a loooong time! Smiles, Chin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 14:42:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA28425; Mon, 6 May 1996 14:42:48 -0700 Received: from elaine24.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA28419; Mon, 6 May 1996 14:42:46 -0700 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine24.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01644; Mon, 6 May 1996 14:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:42:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: friends&family Subject: hooray for Tim! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk big up and thanks to Tim for the *wonderful* afternoon he showed us all on Sat. Tim, you rule. I'm glad everything worked out so well. It was a great day, great party, great crowd, great bbq. I stayed to watch the sunset, but then had to go home and crash. I hope this happens again real soon. I'm fully committed to helping out on the next one... -burger king von jon p.s. for those of you who haven't met knucklehead, you gotta! He's one rad, lovable, kewl dude. I've shared more laughs with this guy than any other sfraver. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 14:42:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA28466; Mon, 6 May 1996 14:42:58 -0700 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA28445; Mon, 6 May 1996 14:42:54 -0700 Received: (from darrele@localhost) by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA29430; Mon, 6 May 1996 14:42:47 -0700 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <199605062142.OAA29430@netcom21.netcom.com> Subject: Veggie Beat Manifesto(RE:) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1700 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Rick says: > Meat Beat was great. There were atleast four people on stage. Jack, a > drummer, a saxaphon/guitar/bass player, another guy on keyboards and a > Therimen (sp?). They played new stuff, as well as some old favorites like > Helter Skelter, which I was just ranting and raving about hearing it at > Sunset last weekend. Coincidence? I don't think so. They were great, as > usual, but I'm biased because I've liked them for so long. Glad I was > included in the loop. They will be in Sacramento on Tuesday, playing 5 > minutes from my house. :) > Rick There was a time not too long ago when Meat Beat Manifesto were the only words I could get out of my mouth when someone asked me what kind of music I liked. After seeing them last night, I relized that time is completly gone. It could be that I was upset to see them so heavily dependant on DAT. It could be that it was their first show and they just havn't gotten it together yet. It could be that they were too loud. But, I think I've just grown away from that sound, and I'm happy about that. They sounded so tired and out of it. The therimin intro was fine, and the processed sax was good, but that's about it. I left after four songs. I guess I expected them to change their sound. They were moving that direction with that last CD ( with "That Shirt", "25 seconds of silence", etc). Has anyone heard their new release (I assume there is one since they're touring)? I'll still buy their new CD, and I love what they did for me in years past in the same way Sonic Youth and the Slits have a special place in my heart, but for now, give me PRANA or Juno-Reactor over MBM anyday! In mourning, =Darrel darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 15:10:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA01166; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:10:08 -0700 Received: from osceola.gate.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA01104; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:09:56 -0700 Received: from seminole.gate.net (hardware@seminole.gate.net [199.227.0.14]) by osceola.gate.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA16876; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:08:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (hardware@localhost) by seminole.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA74974; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:09:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: seminole.gate.net: hardware owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: DJ Hardware To: massive@mixcom.com cc: Buzzdc@aol.com, NE-Raves@World.std.com, South East Rave List , mtn-raves@hyperreal.com, MW-raves@hyperreal.com, SFRAVES@hyperreal.com, pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com, txraves@io.com, DCraves@AMERICAN.EDU, NW-Raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: |NER| Re: Looking for bookings in June / July / August Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > > Hello all Rave Promoter Subscribers. My name is DJ Hardware and I'm the > > > > director of A&R at Adrenalin Records in New York. i currently live in > > > > South Florida where I base the A& R office for Adrenalin Records. I'm > > > > looking for DJ Gigs north of Florida in the USA or in North Florida where > > > > I have not played yet. Currently I have 5 mixed CD's out on Adrenalin > > > > Records in stores throught the world. They are: > > > > - Trip - Hop Acid Phunk vol 1 > > > > - Trip - Hop Acid Phunk vol 2 > > > > - Acid warfare vol 1 > > > > - House Stompin' > > > > - Adrenalin Hardcore Rush > > > > - Trip-Hop Acid Phunk vol 3 : The Hard Edition > > > > - Electro Phunk > > > > - Beat Generator > > > > > > > > and a 12" single BY :THE TWEAKER called "All Tweaked Out" > > > > With remixes by DJ Voodoo & The liquid Method > > > > and Stryke > > > If anyone is intrested in booking me at a club or event please contact me > > > at the Adrenalin Records Offices in Florida for more information at (407) > > > > 495 - 9954 or the Fax number at (407) 495 - 3919 or Email me at > > > > hardware@gate.net. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DJ HARDWARE > > > > ADRENALIN RECORDS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 15:37:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA03602; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:37:32 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA03594; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:37:29 -0700 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id PAA07888; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:37:26 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id PAA00577; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:37:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 15:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re: Anyone know about the SC Warf on Thursdays? To: Steve Dennis cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199605061457.HAA16677@cats.ucsc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i went last week and it was pretty good....carlos and (i cant remember) who else spun...the crowd is alot smaller than on tues nights which makes it easier to dance ....cover of 4 is the same but they only have two dj's instead of three (on tue night) as far as i know its going on every week... dimitri From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 15:46:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA04336; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:46:30 -0700 Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA04327; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:46:27 -0700 From: Smakd@aol.com Received: by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA26298 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:45:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:45:58 -0400 Message-ID: <960506184557_107915325@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: unsubscribing Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk How do I take myself off of this list?? Help! Thanks, Stephanie From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 15:55:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA05068; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:55:28 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA05061; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:55:25 -0700 Received: from (peterbf@sfo-ca18-06.ix.netcom.com [205.184.16.198]) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA28634; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:55:53 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 15:55:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199605062255.PAA28634@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: peterbf@ix.netcom.com (peter fogel) Subject: Re: Vibe in Vegas (long) To: Vince Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I was in Vegas this weekend, and decided to also check out Utopia for some dancing. Got there about 12am and the dance floor was packed by 1am. I found the vibe to be a little scattered, with a mostly clubby crowd. There was some good energy and some pretty "ravey looking people" as well. There was some good animation visuals, and the sound system would have been great if all the speakers were working. I couldn't stay long and had to leave about 1:30. I'd like to go back and see what its like at 5am. On the 24th Doc Martin and Spun will be there. :) peter From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 16:01:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA05669; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:01:11 -0700 Received: from jeeves.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA05643; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:01:04 -0700 Received: from duckman.usfca.edu (duckman.usfca.edu [138.202.32.151]) by jeeves.usfca.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00080 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 15:54:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 15:54:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199605062254.PAA00080@jeeves.usfca.edu> X-Sender: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) Subject: That whole barbeque thingee Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, this was the first time since OCTOBER that I actually made it out anywhere (yes, you read that right. No, I don't have monthlexia). Originally I was going to exile myself to my room and study all day, but I thought, "what the hell. How often does this happen?" So I went. Let's just say I think my day was spent a wee bit better than studying. Make that quite a bit. I met lots of new SFRavers that I'd never seen in person before, ate a variety of roasted animal products (although not quite as varied as Black Adder's famous Roast Chicken Skin a la Carte :)), danced to some cool music (after about *a year* I finally got to hear my buddy BioJeff spin), and relaaaaaxed. Thanks to everyone who helped put this together, especially Mr. Knucklehead himself, without whom this lovely event would have never transpired (killer BBQ sauce, Tim). And it was soooo good to see some of you that I hadn't seen forever (you know who you are). Thanks for the great day, ya'll, and hopefully I'll see you again soon. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. Jake P.S. My offer to pay a billion dollars for anyone to finish my presentation is now expired. Why? Because my presentation is DONE!!!!! DONE I TELL YOU!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... Jake Reichert | I used to be indecisive/ reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu | But now I'm not so sure... | -The The -------------------------------------------------------------------- "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES" B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------ The Happy Family A=====================================V Bulgarian Voices | Pixies | | | ____ | Bauhaus | Frazier Chorus | /| | /\ | | \ | Michael Brook | Spirea X | / | | / \ | | \ | The Breeders | Colourbox | / | | / \ | | | | Dead Can Dance | Dif Juz | /___| | /______\ | | | | Throwing Muses | The The | | | / \ | | / | Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema | | | / \ | |___ / | Cocteau Twins | Liquorice A=====================================M Lisa Germano | M|A|R|R|S X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides | The Birthday Party A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch | C.V.O | Air Miami Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks | Lisa Gerrard | Last Dance | Lush Modern English | Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde | This Mortal Coil The Wolfgang Press | Richenel | His Name Is Alive | Pale Saints The Glee Club --------------------------------- Colin Newman "LONELY IS AN EYESORE" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 16:07:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA06612; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:07:45 -0700 Received: from jeeves.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA06607; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:07:42 -0700 Received: from duckman.usfca.edu (duckman.usfca.edu [138.202.32.151]) by jeeves.usfca.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA00294 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:00:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:00:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199605062300.QAA00294@jeeves.usfca.edu> X-Sender: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) Subject: See ya in a while... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To all you friendly SFRaver-types, Although my bullshit Tech. in Ed. project is done, I still have a few obligations to meet. "Few" being the understatement of the century next to "No, really, I think John Ritter was actually a pretty mediocre actor." I will be spending today through Thursday in Hell. If you need to reach me, you can reach mi via surface mail at the following address: Jake Reichert Hell, The Underworld 66666 Or you can send me cheery email to make me happy at reicja00@usfca.edu Gotta go pack my bags. And do some quantum physics. And some real analysis. Und so weiter. I'll stop now. Jake going slightly insane Jake Reichert | I used to be indecisive/ reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu | But now I'm not so sure... | -The The -------------------------------------------------------------------- "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES" B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------ The Happy Family A=====================================V Bulgarian Voices | Pixies | | | ____ | Bauhaus | Frazier Chorus | /| | /\ | | \ | Michael Brook | Spirea X | / | | / \ | | \ | The Breeders | Colourbox | / | | / \ | | | | Dead Can Dance | Dif Juz | /___| | /______\ | | | | Throwing Muses | The The | | | / \ | | / | Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema | | | / \ | |___ / | Cocteau Twins | Liquorice A=====================================M Lisa Germano | M|A|R|R|S X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides | The Birthday Party A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch | C.V.O | Air Miami Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks | Lisa Gerrard | Last Dance | Lush Modern English | Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde | This Mortal Coil The Wolfgang Press | Richenel | His Name Is Alive | Pale Saints The Glee Club --------------------------------- Colin Newman "LONELY IS AN EYESORE" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 16:28:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA08225; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:28:20 -0700 Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA08211; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:28:15 -0700 Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA16496; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:27:45 -0400 Date: 06 May 96 19:26:36 EDT From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: In Defense of Myself... Message-ID: <960506232635_71165.755_GHL62-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk SDream/Todd said about me at Wicked... Leslie, Marty, and I danced our booties off, although Leslie flaked out early -- wimp! (hehe) Marty and I were there until 6am. /////////////// I, I, I, I have been called a wimp? NEVER!! Hello, I beg your pardon, Mr. I-Wish-There-Were-a-Chill-Space-for-a-Handrub .... you know I danced hard hard hard at Wicked, and left at 5am in case of bad Bay Bridge traffic... which luckily wasn't goin' on at all in my homeward-bound direction.... Besides, I had a date. So considering I beat you to Harmony by at least an hour, and to the picnic by more than that AND I still had time to make my promised potato salad ... I'm way ahead of you in the "wow-are-my-feet-beat" category, my friend! Your apologies will be happily accepted!! I've never been so happily tired after a weekend, I swear! Leslie ; ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 16:36:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA09116; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:36:52 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA09107; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:36:46 -0700 Received: from Ian Hyland (sjx-ca10-05.ix.netcom.com [199.182.128.69]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA12203 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:33:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:33:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199605062333.QAA12203@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: lowufo@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Low UFO Subject: Re: HARMONY'S BP!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well it looks like R.Lunatic beat me to it. We both went to BP together and met alot of people. I told R.Lunatic I was going to make a make shout-out to all the people we met from sfraves, but he beat me to the punch. Anyway, I just wanted to say "HI" to all the people we met, and sorry if I seemed a little upset or quiet. BUNK SUX. Oh Well. I was at least able to point out all of you to my friends. Well at least I now have my first post out of the way. I hope to post more later. Ian P.S. I'm glad CTD-zine went with us. He wasn't going to go, but we dragged him kickin' and screamin'. Hahaha. I know he was glad he went too. At 12:27 PM 5/4/96 -0700, you wrote: >Now, Harmony's Beautiful People.... > >That was I-N-C-R-E-D-I-B-L-E!!!!!!!!! > >Everybody was oozing with vibe and it was sure bouncing off the >walls!!!! > >Troysheets! >Shawna! >CTD-Zine! >LowUfo! >Branka! >CHIN! (with the white glove!) >Amy! > >We all gotta hook up and do that again.... =)~ > >adam > R.Lunatic > >time to catch some more Z's > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 16:42:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA09630; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:42:39 -0700 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA09613; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:42:29 -0700 Received: from [153.37.82.69] (pool005.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.69]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA04353 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:42:10 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin) Subject: Weekend recap: Wicked, Contribute, & Sunset Yeah!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello friends, I'm kinda bumbed cuz I didn't make it out to BP, I went last year and had soooo much fun and I expected this one to be just as good (As I have heard) but for some reason I didn't have that excitment to go out - I guess it was a long hecktic week for me. I also missed out on the BBQ because I had to work till 6 but hopfully another will be planned and I will schedule the day off just to go. Well, I went to a small housE party on saturday for awhile and I talked some friends into going out to the city, that night. On the bridge we decided to stop by King street for Wicked - I've only been to one Wicked(the anniversery last year), hence I am still only 20 yrs. old but we decided to go anyways and in we did... It was different to say the least. I've been to king street once as well but only of a few minutes. This time I thought it was warm, good acid visuals and great BASS - I LUV BASS Thomas was on playing some great house and moved into some break/jungle beats which I haven't gruved to in a while. There wasn't a family friendly vibe that I am use to but I didn't really expect one from such an older crowd. I totally agree with SDream's post about Wicked. Did a lot a dancing up front, not much socialization but smiless a lot and we left right after Markie came on to go to Contribute Contribute was at the deli and I instantly loved the mural on the side, I'm sure it will look even better with black lighting. It was about 3 or 3.30 when we got there and Tony was on the decks goin off. I saw many people I knew and socilized with some new friends. I danced most of the night and left early (6am) so I could rest my tried feet. 24,000 watts of sound was quite loud for the deli but it was bearable with ear plugs and I didn't hear much about Astril Matrix PA..Did anyone hear? Sunday I went to the Marina and it was my first time back since last years final sunset. OOOHHHH MAANN it was great. I had the best time. It brought back memories of all the past sunsets last summer I went to there. The music was great. I got there when Kevin started and he played some funk shit I enjoyed and Alex was spinning some cool afternoon trance. But Solar made my sunday with a many rcognizable old skool and new music favorits. I brought fruit drinks to share which were passed out upon 5 minutes of my arival and stayed almost to the end. Yes I picked up many articals of trash before I left. I hope the trash situation was not as bad this time. This was the best Sunset for me this year, great vibe, great choons, great people, great dancers, and great fun. Thank you Pacific Yeah!!!! . . __/-^-\__ . . . . . <<<>>> . . . @ . `'\-*-/`' . . . . . = . . /|\ . . . . . . / | \ . . . / | \ . . . . . / / | \ \. . . . / / | \ \ . . . = . . / / / | \ \ \ . . . . . / / / | \ \ \ . . = . . / / / / | \ \ \ \. . . . . / / / / | \ \ \ \ . . _@_/` ~\_e_/~ _G/ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ . . ~/ }} (*) < =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ = . // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ . . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 16:58:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA10808; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:58:39 -0700 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10784; Mon, 6 May 1996 16:58:33 -0700 Received: from [153.37.82.69] (pool005.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.69]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06338 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:58:20 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin) Subject: Old skool mixed tapes (89 - 94') Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where I could get copies of older mixed tapes. I was listing to my old Carlos, Ghost, and Jeno mixes (The only ones I own prior to 94')and was wondering if there is anyway I could get a hold of some of these. Maybe some one would be so kind as to let me make a copy of there tapes. I would provide blank tapes and mailing postage if neccesary. The first dj's I heard and remembered were Carlos, Jeno, Doc Martin, and Dan. If anyone knows where i can pick up tapes of them or, Garth, Simon, Darwin Chamber, Josh, Joe Harp, Harry Who?, Spun, Jon Bishop, Rick Preston, Thomas, the Hardkiss brothers etc it would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance, . . __/-^-\__ . . . . . <<<>>> . . . @ . `'\-*-/`' . . . . . = . . /|\ . . . . . . / | \ . . . / | \ . . . . . / / | \ \. . . . / / | \ \ . . . = . . / / / | \ \ \ . . . . . / / / | \ \ \ . . = . . / / / / | \ \ \ \. . . . . / / / / | \ \ \ \ . . _@_/` ~\_e_/~ _G/ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ . . ~/ }} (*) < =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ = . // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ . . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 17:11:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA11953; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:11:10 -0700 Received: from relay5.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA11948; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:11:07 -0700 Received: from sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us [192.152.9.3]) id QQaopc17800; Mon, 6 May 1996 20:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.152.9.134] by sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/Brian-920528) id RAA13232; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:12:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199605070012.RAA13232@sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us> X-Sender: melissaw@sugen1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 17:10:53 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, syntonic-request@orb.org From: melissaw@sugen.sf.ca.us (Melissa Woodrow) Subject: w'end (the long version) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk greetings folks been reading all your mails and smiling :>:> and then trying to think how to put into words what happened this past w'end....NOT an easy task given all the truly amazing things that went on. sigh. enuf to say that i am still in this amazing state of euphoria, but way tired (and i didn't go anywhere near a club saturday or sunday night. pathetic!). i suppose i should have paced myself more, but i had *no idea* how wonderful it was all going to be. harmony just about blew the top of my head off - the location (forGET the water boyz. if that's all we had to complain about we are WAY ahead), the decorations, and the ambience were so fun and playful! i *think* i r'member seeing a twister mat somewhere in the early part of the evening...? :> and then all the fluorescent fun - i waz so glad i was able to paint so many bodies... whomever it was with the yellow pen...woman, you are an arTISTE! you can draw on my arm ANYtime. i'm am but your humble canvas :> oh, the music.....i did 'na wanna stop! you've already heard the rave reviews, so i'll just say "right on!" special moments - finally meeting the faces behind the names, especially, but not including (mostly because i caNOT remember everything and everyone...humble apologies :< ) eric (you give bee-YOOO-tiful hugs my friend. can't believe it didn't see you saturday...?), the beautiful leslie (La Primavera incarnate!), matthew (your buddies' names are lost in the ether...) , sdr, oMAN...and of course some special others - tim(othy - tell me more about this coming w'end?), pete (hi!), paul, amy...who'm i forgetting??? AH! jonjon the burger king!!!! LURved your fishnets!!! funnest moments - getting filmed (yes - i'm a tv-tart), painting, and realizing that the funky new lighting set-up near the front door was actually the *sun* coming up (talk about losing track of reality). saturday (BP after-party??) was great, i could *sense* that, but i was sooooo out of it from the night b4 that i wasn't really able to talk to all of you gorgeous people. someone may have slept between BP and the picnic; NOT me. the best part was FINally hearing B'jeff....all i can say here is that all of you who have been telling me he is the next best thing since sliced bread are WRONG. he's better than chocolate. WORST part - finding a gopher hole with my ankle. ouch! :< sorry to have missed sunset, but i did find my corner in the sun with some friends (thankx to loulou and vitta :>). hope you all had as good a time. see you all at the next..... peace melis ps - extended invitation to one and all for my b'day! just remember to get your BM tix, and we'll all have a...? cheers! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 17:18:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA12509; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:18:35 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA12492; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:18:31 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA02024 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:17:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 17:17:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199605070017.RAA02024@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: SFR logo X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Didn't someone once post the location of the graphic file for the SFR logo? I'd really like to get a hold of that. Does anyone here know where it's at? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 17:47:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA15180; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:47:53 -0700 Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA15170; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:47:49 -0700 Received: from wck-ca5-29.ix.netcom.com by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA09876; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:46:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 17:46:25 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960506025702.360f5726@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "hey, where am I?" Subject: Re: What makes a rave? (long reply to JSL) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >When I began raving, I don't remember hearing anybody saying they wanted >that. People liked the bells and whistles. Toon Town was the big party >then -- they put on one-off events in big venues, for thousands of people >like Cool World and Funky Tekno Tribe do now, only the vibe was more like >a Friends & Family or a Harmony. Toon Town went all out with stuff like >virtual reality, bouncy castles, carnival rides, vendors, brain wave >machines, etc. I loved it, and others seemed to as well. It was new, it >was exciting, it was fun! I'm curious about something folks, not having been around long enough to have experienced the famed Toon Town parties. Seems like every time I hear one of the old timers talk about the old days, they go on about the old Toon Town parties. "Oh yeah, I've been raving since '91, like at Toon Town!" Everybody still talks about them, more than any other party I've ever heard about from back then. From what everybody's been saying, this sounds like a total blast! Why is it no one does them any more? What happened to them? & what would it take to bring one back? Is this a true physical impossibility or is it just that no one gets around to putting in the effort to do something like that any more? Seems like you could really set up something spectacular at the Homebase warehouse or something. Love, Shawna "Deedle deedle dee, wubba wubba wubba..." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 18:17:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA17920; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:17:21 -0700 Received: from elaine19.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA17910; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:17:18 -0700 Received: (from senator@localhost) by elaine19.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA09071; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:17:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Cassandra Ann Thomas To: Jon Zimmerman cc: Randy C Cone , sfraves Subject: Re: Chat? In-Reply-To: <199604300635.XAA12293@cyberE.creative.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Jon and Randy: I am looking for some help on a multi-media theatre production I am working on. I t would entail basically going off on some distorting some video stills with some rendering. One of our animators had to drop out; if you have any time to help on an image we could ftp them back and forth. Thanks Cassandra On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, Jon Zimmerman wrote: > Hey Randy, I'm not sure your there now, but I'm up rendering at home for my > senior project. What platform are you working on? What is your animation > about (I'm assuming its an animation). The following are picts from my > senior animation. They're B-17s I've been modeling that fit into one of the > four scenes I'm creating. I'm interested to see what your up to... > > Jon Zimmerman > > > > > At 3:54 PM 4/29/96 -0700, Randy C Cone wrote: > >Hi! > > Is anyone up! I'm working in the computer lab on some 3d modeling and > >e-mailing during rendering -- anybody care to communicate? > > E-mail me privately please. Thanx! :) > > > > > >Ran @ Dionysus Dreams > > > > *("come talk to me") > > / > > -=*=-/ > > ~ > > > > > >* Peter Gabriel lyrics > > Jon Zimmerman > (415)664-6645 > bigz@bigz.com > http://www.bigz.com > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 18:18:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA18094; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:18:45 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA18087; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:18:42 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA18920; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:18:09 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960507012155.00ba3c30@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 18:21:55 -0700 To: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: Weekend recap: Wicked, Contribute, & Sunset Yeah!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk NOTE: Tone of this post is total utter sarcasm designed for your twisted amusement, do not take seriously!!!!!!!!! Hiya All; Sorry, but I'm a little annoyed. Where's all the list people who usually jump all over people's shit for someone admitting they broke the law, and/or admitting they committed a VERY(sarcasm present) serious crime, or better yet where are all those MAD mothers, and why aren't they calling for the demise of 174 King Street for allowing minors in. So come on we want to see this persons body parts virtually ripped apart on SFRAVE's for having the nerve, and the ordasity to admit they committed a crime. So come on all you list vultures out there in a miserable mood it's time to feed. >Well, I went to a small housE party on saturday for awhile and I talked >some friends into going out to the city, that night. On the bridge we >decided to stop by King street for Wicked - I've only been to one >Wicked(the anniversery last year), hence I am still only 20 yrs. old but we >decided to go anyways and in we did... It was different to say the least. >I've been to king street once as well but only of a few minutes. Peace THX1138 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 18:26:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA18700; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:26:16 -0700 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA18685; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:26:02 -0700 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA192982378; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:26:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:26:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Burnout phase (was weekend recap) To: Austin Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 May 1996, Austin wrote: > but for some reason I didn't have that excitment to go out - I guess it was > a long hecktic week for me. I've been going through this lately. Seems like every 9 months or so - sometimes longer - I go through a real burn out phase. I'm not excited by going out and I just get generally very very bored with life in general. I can't get into the music, so I listen to talk radio in the car instead. (Don't worry, no Rush). I always come around, though, and so I am not worried. Who else goes through this? I'm sure everyone does to a certain extent. Most of all, what about the dj's - especially ones who are in heavy demand to put so much of themselves into the music ALL THE TIME? What do you do when you need a break? Or is it so much in your blood that you never do get burned out? Consequently, I will be attending Madness next weekend. But if Sunset is going on, I'm passing it up for some quiet time with my someone special.;) I'd love everyone's iput and thoughts on this. Especially dj's and promoters. love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 18:28:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA18883; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:28:58 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA18876; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:28:56 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA19474; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:28:28 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960507013213.00bb21e4@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 18:32:13 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, vince@vmar.com From: "THX1138" Subject: Re: SFR logo Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Vince & All; Though I'm very grateful for Vince's awsome effort in designing the present SFR Logo. Also, I would like to state that I wear mine with pride every time I go out. But I was just wondering does the logo have to be so 60's. Rave & Techno & late 80's & 90's thang. I expected something a lot more Cyber, and a lot more up to date rather than something that reminds me of the old and moldy sixites. Just wondering if we could do something to change this. I suggest a virtual contest, where people submit their vision of the sfr logo, and we vote via a web site wheree they are displayed, how bout it people, speak your minds. Peace THX1138 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 18:50:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA20464; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:50:07 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA20450; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:50:03 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca11-09.ix.netcom.com [199.182.128.105]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA06260; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:45:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:45:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199605070145.SAA06260@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong) Subject: Re: HARMONY'S BP!! To: Low UFO Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >P.S. I'm glad CTD-zine went with us. He wasn't going to go, but we dragged >him kickin' and screamin'. Hahaha. I know he was glad he went too. > Yep, He was Kickin' and screamin' on the way out too!! Adam R.Lunatic =)~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 18:53:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA20896; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:53:54 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA20888; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:53:51 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.63] (pm1-ppp63.well.com [206.15.64.63]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00471; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:53:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199605070153.SAA00471@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:55:18 +1000 To: Electric 99 From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Lets change the subject to RavePool Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>I've got you added to my list. Do you know of a good "pickup point" >>like an "easy to get to" restaurant near you? Also, is this number >>you gave me the one that would reach you "Prior to the party", and >>would you make an effort to keep the line free a few hours before the >>party? >it's my home phone number. it's also my modem number, so if it's busy, i'll >get email within 5 minutes. i love getting new mail so i read it the instant >it comes in.. >as to a meeting point... uhh.. i dunno. the san bruno caltrain station is >kinda on my way to the city.. (i live by the junction of 92 and 280) Ok, caltrain station it is... How many people can you take? I need to know that... Ok, so far we got just two people with cars. One in San Jose (Mike) and another one in San Bruno. Do we have anymore people with cars to help out with my RavePool project.... Surely we should more than just two people. How about Marin, don't we have ANYONE in Marin that has a spare seat in their car? Come on you guyz, we can do better than this... Can't we? Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 18:54:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA20931; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:54:02 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA20907; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:53:56 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.63] (pm1-ppp63.well.com [206.15.64.63]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00483; Mon, 6 May 1996 18:53:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199605070153.SAA00483@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:55:24 +1000 To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Ravepool Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hey gang! Is this something we can work on? >- E > >>What we need right now is a list and location from those that have cars. >>So if you have a car, and want to take a fellow raver please send me >>Email right away with the following information. >> Yea you guys, now we got something ELSE to talk about rather then DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS and more drugs... :-) And it's constructive and helpful to all.... It helps those people who have cars who want company to go to parties, and those without cars to get there safely... So far, we only got 2 people, but what the heck, it's just Monday anyways, I'm sure the response will pick up, because I'm putting in my energy to make RavePool work. Cheers The Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 19:15:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA22875; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:15:41 -0700 Received: from monsoon.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA22868; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:15:37 -0700 Received: (from dlb@localhost) by monsoon.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA03672; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:15:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:15:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@monsoon.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Beltane and Full Moon Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There was a nice little thingy put on that was reviewed already. The spot was quite nice, but the vibe never really allowed it to become a Beltane festival (so I guess it was ok that I forgot my body paint because I am not sure if me dancing naked with that stick I found, painted with oil based black body paints in those tribal markings out of RE/Search #something or other would have made people uncomfortable or not). The next day people headed down to the river for a dip... Overall it was quite enjoy to just come and lie around with friends in the Groovy Grove as it was called... and play/hear some Lurker music as it was called in the morning.... So then there was the full moon on Thrusday night up at the Marina (it got busted at the Aquatic Park as it was being set up, but we were told to if they moved it to the marina and kept the car out of sight - basicly in the parking lots - it could go on, and it did. The night started off with a really nice trance set by ed, and was followed by some hard techno by Minor minor, but he had trouble due to a stylus kind of giving out which made people sit down... Then an experiment, 15 minutes of gabber while trying to sort the stylus out... Spun played an acidic set while I went to get a little sleep, but I woke up to Jon Carol playing some morning techno. Overall, things fell into place once we got to the Aquatic park. How many people are putting together some type of full moon parties these days? See all of you (I guess who know me) with my whistle when I get back in a month from that far away Scotland place... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 19:25:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA23481; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:25:13 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA23472; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:25:10 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id TAA16481; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:24:44 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:24:37 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Reekend Wecap Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Brevity goes a long way...someone once told, me but that's another story... Split from work a bit early (having to sneak by our troll-like receptionist. What Gargamel was to the Smurfs, our receptionist is to Xinutians. I think he used to rave, but after Toon Towns ended he's been a recluse. Rumor has it he and John Carel used to party, but that ways WAY back when they were kids. Like 21, and shit. "Hey Ti-Fred!" :^) to help Harmony set up that space so beautifully. These guys work so hard to turn even the most stubborn space into a positive vibe frenzy. Kudos to the crew for putting all their energy into the space; the decorations were funky, the lighting ethereal, the music crisp and clear (same system, BTW as the one in Portland with Gateway). The party was a blast. It was nice meeting those that I met, and certainly fun dissing those that weren't around. ;^) J/J Leslie suprised me by telling me that I was up for contention to marry her, and while I went home a little baffled by that, once I eat her potato salad at the BBQ I was prepared to have a dance off with John Lee for said coveted position by her side. I think I may have been one of the first persons to witness the beginning of the end for the poor kid that flipped out. He was barreling through the crowd for no reason, and he ran right into the big beafy head bouncer upstairs. I told the bouncer I would get him, and so I followed him into the main room, where again he was barging through people, and I started trying to calm him. He was way gone, and with me in tow, he ran back into the hall and right into the big beefy bouncer again and then out the door. To be quite honest, the bouncer was pretty cool considering he'd been run into twice. The kid went outside (after fumbling with the door) and plopped himself down on the side walk. I thought the fresh air might be good for him, and came back inside. About a half hour later I went outisde to check on him and the first thing out of the bouncer's mouth was, "Did you give him that acid?!" "No!" I replied, "why? What happened to him?" "He just got taken away by the cops. He was resisting." "Shit!" Home, vitamins, sleep...good. BBQ...good. The music rocked, the people -- you people -- :^* Mwah! Huge hugs and kisses. Met a woman from very close to my home town, and that was kewl. (Shhhh...She's a doll. :^) Danced hard for a long time, the music was good, the sound excellent, the tea yummy ;^), the food delicious, the sun shining, the smiles wide and toothy, the conversation inane and senseless, er, I mean intriguing and captivating, the breeze breezy, the vibe wonderful, the sunset beautiful, the ... Stayed until the BBQ pit was loaded on the truck and the equipment in the van. Was told I should go to Sacramento for the party going on there (For the Love?) and said that if I wasn't there by 3AM I wasn't coming [or is that, I was com...nevermind. :^] But I had to hit a friend's roof party in The City. Made that and completely freaked my friends out by saying I was going to Sacramento at Midnight. Opted to drive instead of ride my motorcycle, and that was a good thing. Got to the map point by 1:50am, in the party exactly at 2am. Gave a nice welcoming hoot to all the Sac kids, and jammed around the place looking for my friends. ANY friends. BIOJeff had spun and gone already, but low and behold Amy Starkey and Melanie (and Mike) were there and that was nice. They made me feel good by saying they were happy to see me. I guess I had to believe them. The cops came into the party, a nice party, in a small warehouse, with a closed off hot chill area and a DJ booth WAY up above everyone's head, and asked them to turn the volume half way down. Very cool of them and people cheered that it wasn't a full bust. Well, of course, the volume went right back up to it's original level and by 4am the party was busted. Kind of foolish not to keep the music low for a good long time. Maybe they should have timed it so that when the nearby trains cruised by, making a hell of a racket, they could crank it, and then turn it back down when the train was gone. You could have a volume man, sort of like a throttle man in off shore power boat racing (they need to throttle back when the prop goes out of the water). Anyway, the people that put this party together are cool, and Charisma was good while I was there. Of course then you have the usual mob scene with crazy kids outside with wild eyes and "no place else to go!" Crashed and smoked cigs for a while and then slept. Left Sac around 4PM Sunday to go to a BBQ and totally spaced on calling the Pacific number to see if there was a Sunset. Fuck! Oh well, at least I was home an hour after Simpsons and then went to sleep. See you at Madness... Love Tone P.S. So, some crazy dude took control of my email account late last week and posted that I was, get this...6'2" and Ukranian?! And I wear a shark-skin suit and fuzzy dice!? Shit man, I am not Ukranian to start with, I'm half Italian/half random European, and my roommate has the shark skin suit, not me. Also, *I* wear a freaked out wig and a half-cut, red, cordory smoking jacket. I have never owned fuzzy dice, but I did once own some scuzzy mice. Buzzy lice? Wazzy Nice? [Sorry. :^] 5'2" in case anyone was wondering. ;^) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 19:28:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA23860; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:28:01 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA23844; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:27:56 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca14-29.ix.netcom.com [199.182.128.221]) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA28604 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:26:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:26:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199605070226.TAA28604@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong) Subject: Me and my new life! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well.. My life has been a bore for quite a while. I went to school, worked, studied and slept. Until I met these two individuals, Terry and Ian . They were the ones that actually changed my life around. They got me into ravin' about 2 months ago? I think i'm addicted.. but you know what.. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!! Thanks alot you two! This Summer iz going to be a goooood ONE! Your Ravin' Lunatic, Adam. p.s. btw everybody, CTD-Zine gave me my handle at Gaia. He sorta spurted it out, and I like it. hehe =)~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 19:36:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA24490; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:36:29 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA24479; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:36:26 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA11072; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:36:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:36:25 -0700 (PDT) To: "hey, where am I?" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: What makes a rave? (long reply to JSL) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960506025702.360f5726@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 May 1996, hey, where am I? wrote: > I'm curious about something folks, not having been around long enough to > have experienced the famed Toon Town parties. Seems like every time I hear > one of the old timers talk about the old days, they go on about the old Toon > Town parties. "Oh yeah, I've been raving since '91, like at Toon Town!" > Everybody still talks about them, more than any other party I've ever heard > about from back then. From what everybody's been saying, this sounds like a > total blast! Why is it no one does them any more? What happened to them? & > what would it take to bring one back? Is this a true physical impossibility > or is it just that no one gets around to putting in the effort to do > something like that any more? Seems like you could really set up something > spectacular at the Homebase warehouse or something. I think it may be more of a matter of "That was then, this is now." Toon Town was great, but I think that much of the energy was "newer"(awaiting the flames on this one....) I would like to know what some of the original promoters are up to now.... Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 19:37:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA24600; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:37:31 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA24594; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:37:28 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id TAA18081; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:37:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:37:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: Tony Rotundo cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Reekend Wecap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > The cops came into the party, a nice party, in a small warehouse, with a > closed off hot chill area and a DJ booth WAY up above everyone's head, and > asked them to turn the volume half way down. Very cool of them and people > cheered that it wasn't a full bust. Well, of course, the volume went right > back up to it's original level and by 4am the party was busted. Kind of > foolish not to keep the music low for a good long time. Maybe they should > have timed it so that when the nearby trains cruised by, making a hell of a > racket, they could crank it, and then turn it back down when the train was > gone. You could have a volume man, sort of like a throttle man in off > shore power boat racing (they need to throttle back when the prop goes out > of the water). Anyway, the people that put this party together are cool, > and Charisma was good while I was there. I was there too! (met you and Amy)... yeah, it was a pretty cool party. I know from experience that anything that happens in downtown Sac is busted, but I figured it would be cool while it lasted. Karizma's set was definitely the bomb! Last summer there were tons of parties here, but this summer looks bleak. If anyone wants to throw a party at Cal Expo, I can help them w/that. You supposedly can't get it anymore, but I know I can.... I know it's a big, commercial space, but there's almost nowhere else you can throw a party here legally... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 19:55:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA26235; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:55:40 -0700 Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA26199; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:55:34 -0700 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA24495; Mon, 6 May 1996 22:55:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:55:05 -0400 Message-ID: <960506225503_108114393@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: blkadder@value.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: What makes a rave? (long reply to JSL) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 96-05-06 22:39:55 EDT, you write: > think it may be more of a matter of "That was then, this is now." Toon >Town was great, but I think that much of the energy was "newer"(awaiting >the flames on this one....) I would like to know what some of the >original promoters are up to now.... They are throwing the Gathering basics vision, freedom, wicked..... Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 20:26:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA28649; Mon, 6 May 1996 20:26:47 -0700 Received: from mail.ico.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA28644; Mon, 6 May 1996 20:26:43 -0700 Received: from starbase.starfishsoftware.com by mail.ico.net with SMTP (5.65/950621.1) id AA13665; Mon, 6 May 96 20:26:42 -0700 Message-Id: <9605070326.AA13665@mail.ico.net> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 21:25:00 -0700 From: Roy Feague Subject: A little more gratitude To: sfraves X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V3.50c)/MIME Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all - BP was rave #4 for me, and the BEST for cool folx and good vibe. Todd's grapes were delicious (or does that sound funny?)! I brought along a first-timEr, a cool guy named Armando, and he had a blast as well. Thanks to the Harmony folks for the great decor and the A.C., and thanks to Tone for being Tone! Dr. Melissa, it was great to meet you, but I missed your email address; send me a message so we can get in touch! 'n' thanks for the paint... Hugs out to Branka, Sarah, Sy, and Joel! Ladybug fans: check http://schoolnet2.carleton.ca/english/sci/env/ladybug/ladybugs.html I'd love to hear from other Santa Cruz area people to find out more about what's happening in our neck of the woods. If there's nothing happening, we can fix that. -Roy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 21:10:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA02806; Mon, 6 May 1996 21:10:23 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA02795; Mon, 6 May 1996 21:10:17 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA15802; Mon, 6 May 1996 21:10:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 21:10:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Amy R Starkey cc: Austin , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Burnout phase (was weekend recap) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Amy- I know exactly what you mean since I'm going throught it know myself: I'm burnt on going to parties. All I've been able to handle latelt has been daytime parties like the SFR B-B-Q:):):):). I guess a bit of it has to do with having 3 weeks of school left and projects to do, quizzes, test and exams to take:(. I find when I am going through these phases to just take some time out, no matter how long. The last thing I want to do is "force" myself to go out when the desire isn't there. The few times when I've done this I've been a grotch(sp?) and I don't want to take parties for granted. So for next few weeks I'll be taking a break from night parties that is unless I get a big power surge of energy and decide to go out. Take care! love- Reagan On Mon, 6 May 1996, Amy R Starkey wrote: > > On Mon, 6 May 1996, Austin wrote: > > > but for some reason I didn't have that excitment to go out - I guess it was > > a long hecktic week for me. > > I've been going through this lately. Seems like every 9 months or so - > sometimes longer - I go through a real burn out phase. I'm not excited > by going out and I just get generally very very bored with life in > general. I can't get into the music, so I listen to talk radio in the > car instead. (Don't worry, no Rush). I always come around, though, and > so I am not worried. > > Who else goes through this? I'm sure everyone does to a certain extent. > > Most of all, what about the dj's - especially ones who are in heavy > demand to put so much of themselves into the music ALL THE TIME? What do > you do when you need a break? Or is it so much in your blood that you > never do get burned out? > > Consequently, I will be attending Madness next weekend. But if Sunset is > going on, I'm passing it up for some quiet time with my someone special.;) > > I'd love everyone's iput and thoughts on this. Especially dj's and > promoters. > > love, > Amy > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 21:58:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA06331; Mon, 6 May 1996 21:58:36 -0700 Received: from ix10.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA06324; Mon, 6 May 1996 21:58:34 -0700 Received: from wck-ca13-07.ix.netcom.com by ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA25004; Mon, 6 May 1996 21:56:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 21:56:52 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960506070746.338fad10@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "hey, where am I?" Subject: Re: Burnout phase (was weekend recap) Cc: Austin , sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Amy- I know exactly what you mean since I'm going throught it know >myself: I'm burnt on going to parties. All I've been able to handle >latelt has been daytime parties like the SFR B-B-Q:):):):). >I guess a bit of it has to do with having 3 weeks of school left and >projects to do, quizzes, test and exams to take:(. I find when I am going >through these phases to just take some time out, no matter how long. The >last thing I want to do is "force" myself to go out when the desire isn't >there. The few times when I've done this I've been a grotch(sp?) and I >don't want to take parties for granted. So for next few weeks I'll be >taking a break from night parties that is unless I get a big power surge >of energy and decide to go out. Take care! Yeah, I know whatcha mean too! I've only been raving for about six months (six month anniversary Memorial Day weekend! I've got the holiday theme going here, I started on Thanksgiving! :) and even now I sometimes do get tired, esp these two weekends! Between this past weekend & next weekend there are six different things going on that I was interested in! Wears a person out. & I agree with you guys that I really don't want to take the scene for granted, to not appreciate something like that would be a major tragedy to me. Doesn't make it easy to take a break tho with so many good parties to attend! Love, Shawna "Deedle deedle dee, wubba wubba wubba..." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 22:27:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA08880; Mon, 6 May 1996 22:27:35 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA08870; Mon, 6 May 1996 22:27:31 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp033-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.33]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id WAA17210 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 22:27:31 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960507052753.00833f20@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 22:27:53 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Electric 99 Subject: Re: w'end (the long version) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >decorations, and the ambience were so fun and playful! i *think* i r'member >seeing a twister mat somewhere in the early part of the evening...? :> and wooo! twister!! jess and i taught renaud how to play twister! the group that brought the twister mat unfortunately forgot to bring the spinner (their backpack was _packed_) so jess made up some cards and we pulled cards instead of spinning. i lost everytime i played. i think paul won all the time. grrrrr.. >whomever it was with the yellow pen...woman, you are an arTISTE! you can >draw on my arm ANYtime. i'm am but your humble canvas :> that was the fabulous kirsten (aka kaycee) with the marker. the yellow crayola marker got passed around a lot.. it could have been anyone who did the fabulous artwork though. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 22:31:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA09287; Mon, 6 May 1996 22:31:48 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA09282; Mon, 6 May 1996 22:31:45 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp033-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.33]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id WAA17459 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 22:31:44 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960507053206.008338b4@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 22:32:06 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Electric 99 Subject: Re: Burnout Phase Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I've been going through this lately. Seems like every 9 months or so - >sometimes longer - I go through a real burn out phase. I'm not excited >by going out and I just get generally very very bored with life in >general. I can't get into the music, so I listen to talk radio in the >car instead. (Don't worry, no Rush). I always come around, though, and >so I am not worried. > >Who else goes through this? I'm sure everyone does to a certain extent. i have the perfect solution to your woes. go out with jess to a party. she's the ultimate party enjoyment aid. if you go out with jess, you will have fun. guarenteed. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 22:33:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA09622; Mon, 6 May 1996 22:33:32 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA09616; Mon, 6 May 1996 22:33:29 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp033-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.33]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id WAA17583 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 22:33:29 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960507053350.007350ec@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 22:33:50 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Be 99 Subject: Re: SFR logo Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I suggest a virtual contest, where people submit their vision of the >sfr logo, and we vote via a web site wheree they are displayed, how bout it >people, speak your minds. why go with a standard at all? why not everyone make their own version and print up their own laminates? diversity is best, after all.. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 6 23:38:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA15318; Mon, 6 May 1996 23:38:08 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA15311; Mon, 6 May 1996 23:38:04 -0700 Received: from 199.35.223.134 (sjx-ca16-06.ix.netcom.com [199.35.223.134]) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA22131 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 23:36:23 -0700 Message-ID: <318E4885.5036@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 11:44:21 -0700 From: CT Reply-To: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com Organization: CT D-Zine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: SFR logo References: <2.2.32.19960507053350.007350ec@140.174.229.14> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here's my $.02 on the whole SFraves logo thing. I have been very interested in laminates, and have found that there are many of you (especially the sfr newbies, like me) don't have one. Laminates are an excellent way for us to create unity, and find each other in darkened warehouses. ;^) The so-calraves list is going crazy right now with the idea of laminates. For those of you that don't know, they have a section dedicated on their home-page just to display laminate ideas submitted by fellow so-cal ravers. If you get the chance, check 'em out, some of them are pretty cool. One idea, (given to me by Troy Sheets) was to create a black and white logo that could be easily downloaded by everyone. As for me, I'm stoked on the idea of a new logo and am hopping onto Illustrator right now! Well, Whadaya think??? Hugs, CT From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 00:57:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA23022; Tue, 7 May 1996 00:57:28 -0700 Received: from mail.domain.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA23017; Tue, 7 May 1996 00:57:26 -0700 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by mail.domain.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Tue, 7 May 1996 00:57:22 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:57:22 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Crusty old raver Subject: Re: MacDonald's Commercial Cc: john@ati.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 7:24 AM 5/6/96, John Bagby wrote: >Ugh! Yes, I saw it yesterday... part of "the Ronald grows up" ad >campaign. Never mind the fact that as one of the largest beef-industry >powerhouses, McDonalds is responsible for the clearcutting of forests for >cattle-grazing land, or the destruction of sustainable agriculture in this >and other countries.. etc, etc. Monoculture embracing the "rave vibe" >stinks of a "Reality Bites"-like cynicism, IMHO. blah blah blah. I am *so* tired of political correctness... I don't go to MacDonalds because of PC inspired idealism. I don't go because I don't like the quality of their products. Can we just talk about music and dancing? Signed, One step closer to unsubscribing. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 02:22:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA03186; Tue, 7 May 1996 02:22:33 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA03180; Tue, 7 May 1996 02:22:30 -0700 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id CAA16777; Tue, 7 May 1996 02:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 02:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Matt Kodama cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: yo! (musical nonsense) In-Reply-To: <199605012018.NAA00299@elaine30.Stanford.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have no idea what the song is called, but it sounds like they should have called it "Yo-yo". It could be played along with the track "Slinky" by Into The Third Power. 8) My computer tells me that on Wed, 1 May 1996, Matt Kodama shared: > music question: > heard a song at fusion during one of the later sets which had a woman > singing "yo" over and over again - at least i think that's what she was > saying ... with not too much effort you could convince yourself that she > was saying dozens of different things. sort of like an audio rorschach > blob (pardon horrid spelling, pleez) > > anyway, does anybody know whose track that was? (artist, although i'm > curious which dj that was too.) > thanks! > matt. > > -- > |=======================================================================| > | | > | i have the world's largest collection of seashells. i keep it on all | > | the beaches of the world ... perhaps you've seen it. | > | | > | you know how it is when you're reading a book and falling asleep, | > | you're reading, reading ... and all of a sudden you notice your eyes | > | are closed? i'm like that all the time. | > | | > | i put tape on the mirrors in my house so i don't accidentally walk | > | through into another dimension. | > | | > | - steven wright | > | | > |=======================================================================| > -starchld@leland.stanford.edu--the mothership can be reached at 493-4099- > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 03:26:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA08754; Tue, 7 May 1996 03:26:07 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA08746; Tue, 7 May 1996 03:26:05 -0700 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id DAA18905; Tue, 7 May 1996 03:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 03:26:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Have car, will rave! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, I am overjoyed to now have an operational gas-guzzling locomotive device, i.e. a car. Having long been without one, I know what a pain it can be to get to events you want to go to in many cases. It's a pain to own one too, if you live in the city, however, and I'm thinking of selling it to buy a bike. (Much thanks to the Department of Parking and Traffic for raising revenue on the backs of the working/student poor who cannot afford garages, via parking tickets!) But as long as I have the car, I'll share it. 8) Of course I will still be scooting around on Rollerblades as often as possible. I'm hoping by the time the laws get modified to prohibit inline skating downtown, require us to wear helmets, and enforcement of no sidewalk riding is beefed up, there will be some exciting new form of transportation available. Cap'n Crunch & Eric Petersen were talking about setting up pick-up points, which sounds like a great idea, if it can really be organized and if there's enough demand to make it happen. Anyway, I live in the upper Market area in San Francisco near Market & Noe, if anybody in S.F. needs a ride to something, give me a call! I don't promise I'll want to go, but I'll at least consider it. 8) I have voicemail, so you may leave a message there anytime without fear of unduly disturbing my sleep... (415) 270-7887. Would love the opportunity to meet new smiling raver faces. Also, if anyone's ever desperate for a place to sleep before BART starts running in the morning or something... Much love, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 04:56:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA15933; Tue, 7 May 1996 04:56:53 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA15925; Tue, 7 May 1996 04:56:50 -0700 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id EAA20405; Tue, 7 May 1996 04:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 04:56:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: "hey, where am I?" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: What makes a rave? (long reply to JSL) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960506025702.360f5726@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, On Sunday (?), I shared: > >When I began raving, I don't remember hearing anybody saying they wanted > >that. People liked the bells and whistles. Toon Town was the big party > >then -- they put on one-off events in big venues, for thousands of people > >like Cool World and Funky Tekno Tribe do now, only the vibe was more like > >a Friends & Family or a Harmony. Toon Town went all out with stuff like > >virtual reality, bouncy castles, carnival rides, vendors, brain wave > >machines, etc. I loved it, and others seemed to as well. It was new, it > >was exciting, it was fun! > > And on Mon. May 6, 1996, hey where am I? (Shawna!) shared: > > I'm curious about something folks, not having been around long enough to > have experienced the famed Toon Town parties. Seems like every time I hear > one of the old timers talk about the old days, they go on about the old Toon > Town parties. "Oh yeah, I've been raving since '91, like at Toon Town!" > Everybody still talks about them, more than any other party I've ever heard > about from back then. From what everybody's been saying, this sounds like a > total blast! Why is it no one does them any more? What happened to them? & > what would it take to bring one back? Is this a true physical impossibility > or is it just that no one gets around to putting in the effort to do > something like that any more? Seems like you could really set up something > spectacular at the Homebase warehouse or something. All it would take is enough of us wanting it to happen, and a few promoters with the know-how to take the idea and run with it, with the help of lots of volunteers. I don't know where all the people you refer to who say they loved Toon Town have been hiding though, because lately what I seem to be hearing is that massives are lame, that underground is better; big is too commercial, and just lacks the vibe of a small, intimate event, it is said. I would be encouraged to hear that I am not the only one who feels an ideal rave is a smorgasbord of sights, sounds, sensations, and people. Small parties are lots of fun, and a good part of the scene, but I'm sorry that massives have apparantly developed such a bad rep. How would we think of the sixties if the promoters of Woodstock had decided to hold a small, underground event for a few people? Small parties may draw the community together, but big events hold the possibility of changing the world. Think about that. I have yet to go to a Burning Man, but from everything I've seen and heard, it seems like a good model for a rave massive, and indeed many ravers are to be found there, in separate "rave" camps. Big doesn't have to mean commercial, un-spiritual, overpriced (I won't comment here on Burning Man promoters charging $30 for an outdoor event), and bad vibe. I know that Rick Preston, formerly of Toon Town is still around. Mark Heley, another Toon Town promoter was involved with Club Life magazine recently... may be in L.A. now? Anyone? Diana Jacobs, I don't know. They are the main three I remember... any historians to comment? As far as why they stopped, that's probably hard to trace reliably at this point. I think it was bickering among people involved, and some people doing independent conflicting events, but don't quote me on that. Not that we need to bring back the name, or the promoters, to have an event with a vibe like Toon Town. In fact, so much of what made it special was the newness that you couldn't recreate the vibe by trying to reproduce what was there. We have to start fresh, with new ideas. Personally, I was inspired by some of the things Rick Riffle mentioned in his post about the Rennaissance Faire at Reed College, like the 200 foot long naked slippery-slide... What do the rest of you think? PLURally yours, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 08:42:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA04411; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:42:19 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA04386; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:42:04 -0700 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15913(10)>; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:41:27 PDT Received: from beluga.adoc.xerox.com ([13.242.128.26]) by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com with SMTP id <3672>; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:41:25 -0700 Received: from ccMail by beluga.adoc.xerox.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA831484127; Tue, 07 May 96 08:47:30 PST Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:47:30 PDT From: Diane_Tabellija@adoc.xerox.com Message-Id: <9604078314.AA831484127@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: APB for Chin Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Say, a few of you were speaking about meeting Chin at Wicked. I think I was freaking w/him and wanted to id the man. So anyone out there who can link me up w/his e-mail address, please do so. Better yet, Chin, if you get this msg, give me a shout. (And yeah I know, folks, I'm gonna check the bios too...but I'm impatient!) Pointing fingers and more, Diane ;) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 08:51:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA05766; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:51:59 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA05761; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:51:57 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA14588 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 May 1996 08:51:29 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA08031 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:51:51 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA29905 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:51:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:51:47 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Lets change the subject to RavePool Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I can sometimes give rides to anyone who can use a meeting point in the Santa Clara/Sunnyvale/Campbell/Saratoga areas. We should pick well-known locations. Anyone who is to provide transportation should post their availability and number of passengers they can pick up in advance of a given party, so no one is left high and dry. I mentioned to someone that I can take one passenger and a bunch of stuff (I drive a half-ton pickup), but anyone who rides with Eric P. has to agree on my payment terms: hugs, payable on demand :) Who all can volunteer as a semi-regular driver? I think everyone will agree that setting up rides will add to our scene, in a small way strengthening and unifying us...okay, so maybe it ain't as noble as all that, but a nice idea, eh? Peace & petrol, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 08:54:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA06130; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:54:03 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA06120; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:53:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfogler@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) with SMTP id IAA126997 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:53:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:53:28 -0700 (PDT) From: jess To: sfraves Subject: Jungle anyone? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Seriously now...what's WRONG with you guys...Why hasn't jungle taken off in SF the way it should....don't you guys know how amazingly ultra-hip this stuff is. OK so it's not trance but it's got a whole wacky vibe of its own.....and I love it... Can't dance to jungle? just close your eyes, listen to the bass or the snare and do a modified version of your regular thang. It definitely took me a few tries but I'm hooked now... Not sure what jungle is? Get Stareyes' mix tape - it really rocks and it's a bargain at $7.00 including postage. AND THIS WEEKEND there are at least two major jungle events that I know of: 1. Bass Instinct on Friday with local favorite DJ's (incl. Stareyes) 2. Goldie at some club on Friday. This guy does what they call intelligent jungle (or dolphin jungle). Almost ambient-like overtones with a kicking classic drum and bass backbone. I'm not sure what he's going to do here but the guy is probably the most famous mainstream jungle DJ in the UK and definitely worth checking out. SO whadday say guys? Ready to break out of the trance mold for one night and give jungle a try..... It's a great antidote to the rave burn-out blues. who's coming with me? ** jess ** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 09:07:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA07700; Tue, 7 May 1996 09:07:21 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA07686; Tue, 7 May 1996 09:07:18 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA15147 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 May 1996 09:06:40 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA09318; Tue, 7 May 1996 09:07:02 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03148; Tue, 7 May 1996 09:06:59 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:06:59 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Amy R Starkey From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Burnout phase (was weekend recap) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Burnout? Me? Never! I wish I could attend MORE events! The only thing that keeps me from being more prominent in the scene is lack of funds :) Actually, I purposely put some time in between parties sometimes, even if I can afford to go to more. Being selective helps, too; I don't go to a party unless I know and like at least two djs in the lineup. All this helps me to enjoy the experiences more, and to stay healthy (a major concern). Amy, I hope you never burn out on love, because there's a lot directed at you! Finally recovering from the weekend, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 09:38:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA10683; Tue, 7 May 1996 09:38:26 -0700 Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA10675; Tue, 7 May 1996 09:38:22 -0700 Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id MAA03034; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:37:35 -0400 Date: 07 May 96 12:35:46 EDT From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: Burnout phase (was weekend recap) Message-ID: <960507163546_71165.755_GHL74-4@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Amy Starkey said.... I've been going through this lately. Seems like every 9 months or so - longer - I go through a real burn out phase. I'm not excited general. I can't get into the music, so I listen to talk radio in the car instead. (Don't worry, no Rush). I always come around, though, and so I am not worried. Who else goes through this? I'm sure everyone does to a certain extent. _________________________________________ One thing I've noticed as I've gotten older, and more experienced noticing how my life moves in cycles, is that we need to respect those cycles. I had a "burnout awareness" weekend a few weeks ago, the weekend of the Sunset boat party -- when I realized that I'd been doing things all weekend that should have made me happy - but they didn't. I felt really depressed and isolated. So I stayed in the house mostly for the next 2 weeks, except for work, I stayed to myself, read books, withdrew and hibernated for a while.... and then came back into the real world again. (I did call my friends and tell them I was ok, that I was just making some private space for a while.) And during that time, I made some important personal decisions -- which might not have happened without the break from my usual dancing and social whirlwind. I'm a studier of astrology and believe that planetary transits have huge effects on how we feel and perceive what goes on around us ... and so I have a resource to refer to to understand what's going on with me ... and believe me, I've gone through lots of major changes over the last years.... We are creatures who are affected by the cycles of the universe, and not respecting those cycles can create a lot of confusion, and self-criticism. Where I used to wonder "what's the matter with me," now I realize it's just a human cycle of ups and downs. The hard part is knowing that, even if I don't feel like going out, THERE'S A PARTY GOIN' ON! I hate to miss anything good, and I always wish I could be everywhere all the time, seeing my friends, soaking it all in. But sometimes... you just gotta stay home. Leslie : ) p.s. Re DJs and burnout -- Sure it happens, and for those of us who follow certain djs', we know when they're there and they're spinning, but their heart's not in it. Hey, we all have jobs to do, even when we wish we had the day or the night off. That's life! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 09:45:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA11321; Tue, 7 May 1996 09:45:51 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA11316; Tue, 7 May 1996 09:45:49 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA15714 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 09:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA27976; Tue, 7 May 1996 09:43:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: w'end (the long version) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960507052753.00833f20@140.174.229.14> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > >whomever it was with the yellow pen...woman, you are an arTISTE! you can > >draw on my arm ANYtime. i'm am but your humble canvas :> > that was the fabulous kirsten (aka kaycee) with the marker. the yellow > crayola marker got passed around a lot.. it could have been anyone who did > the fabulous artwork though. That pen has been the greatest; it's seen 4 raves so far and is still going strong. The artist was definitely NOT me. I can't draw worth beans!!! Jess on the other hand... kaySEE From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 10:04:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA13585; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:04:41 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA13574; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:04:38 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA17857 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 May 1996 10:04:10 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA14571 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:04:31 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14137 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:04:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:04:18 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Burnout phase (was weekend recap) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >We are creatures who are affected by the cycles of the universe, and not >respecting those cycles can create a lot of confusion, and self-criticism. >Where I used to wonder "what's the matter with me," now I realize it's just a >human cycle of ups and downs. > This is very true: ecological, biological, and stellar cycles have their influence on us; hence, we are cyclic as well. This may be more obvious in females than in males, since they have biological rhythms and cycles that men don't have, but we are all influenced internally by a great number of internal and external forces. The impulse is pure Sometimes our circuits get shorted By external interference Signals get crossed And the balance distorted By internal incoherence OK, so maybe that wasn't relevant, but it popped into my head, and I love the song (quiz: who can name that tune?). A rhythm master, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 10:06:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA13836; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:06:32 -0700 Received: from volcano.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA13826; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:06:28 -0700 Received: (from dlb@localhost) by volcano.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA22882; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:06:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:06:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@volcano.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: outdoor prices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 May 1996, Starchild wrote: > I have yet to go to a Burning Man, but from everything I've seen > and heard, it seems like a good model for a rave massive, and indeed many > ravers are to be found there, in separate "rave" camps. Big doesn't have > to mean commercial, un-spiritual, overpriced (I won't comment here on > Burning Man promoters charging $30 for an outdoor event), and bad vibe. Too late, you already commented on it, so once again, let us reiterate why Burning Man costs anywhere from $25 to $40 depending on when you order tickets. First, Larry Harvey has to pay for an organized land usage permit from BLM, they have to pay for the portipotties cause your average folk don't know how to squat, let the shit dry and then pack it which each and everyone one of the people who attend would have to do to not harm the ecosystem when the playa becomes a lake again, then there is some type of insurance fee..... So, if you go and plan on not harming the natural ecosystem that has developed with our constant urge to move resources from one ecosystem to another, $30 is not expensive for 5 days, it's just going to pay for the necessities which we as city folk need. Now, to address you comment of burning man being a "massive". Well, here is what you might want to look at. Burning Man is this big festi where peoples are not suppose to be spectators; everyone is a participate which means YOU have to get over the I-paid-for-this-shit-event attitude because if one is thinking that, he or she is still working on the consumer level and not on a participatory level. That is why massives have gone down hill over time - that is why people complain and it is where "commericalism" works its way in. When the crowd is reduced to people paying a fee to attend this really cool production instead of some people coming out and paying to cover costs and maybe a little more, the attitude of I-am-not-getting-my-money's-worth worms its way in and somehow that ends up killing the whole party (at least from my perspective, your insights may vary). So things like Toon Town will not repeat themselves unless people start dropping their consumer attitudes, but this won't happen til the massives feel more like parties and less like massive productions put together to "give" people something for their money - but often they often end up charging for the important stuff like water (with which they didn't let you into their party). Anyway enough dribble... To scotland, bye bye dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 10:14:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA14546; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:14:22 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA14541; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:14:20 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA12925 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:13:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:13:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199605071713.KAA12925@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: SFR t-shirts X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Everybody: Some of us have been kicking the idea around of creating some t-shirts for the folks on this list with the some kind of SFR design on it. Our first idea was to put the SFR laminate design on it, but what I'd like to do is create a page with that design and any others that you folks come up with, and let you vote on which one you prefer via email. To this end, I'd like to invite all the artists among us to whip out their favorite paint program and start letting the creative juices flow. You can send me images in GIF or JPG format as email attachments. Let's set a cut-off date, say the end of the month? If that's not long enough, I'll always be glad to extend it -- this is very informal. As I get images, I'll post them on a page and put the URL out on the list. Cool? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 10:19:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA14922; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:19:20 -0700 Received: from gatekeeper.bankamerica.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA14912; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:19:17 -0700 Received: by gatekeeper.bankamerica.com; id AA15391; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:19:17 -0700 Received: by iwww.bankamerica.com; id AA08734; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:20:19 -0700 Received: by mailhub.bankamerica.com; Tue, 7 May 96 10:14:15 -0700 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=attmail/; Relayed; 07 May 96 10:04:30 -0800 X400-Received: by mta BofA-MTA in /c=US/admd=attmail/; Relayed; 07 May 96 10:04:30 -0800 X400-Mts-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=attmail/; 02A3B318F829E014-attmail] Content-Identifier: 02A3B318F829E014 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 ( 2 ) Conversion: Allowed Conversion-With-Loss: Allowed Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Michael.Minnich@BankAmerica.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <05079610141701241500.bankamerica.com> Date: 07 May 96 10:04:30 -0800 From: Michael To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: re: Jungle anyone? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, count your blessings, Jess. I think jungle has taken off in SF more so than in almost any other city in the US. Sure I guess there aren't any big name jungle dj's from SF, but it's still a very rare occasion in any US city to see all-jungle parties on an even semi-regular basis. Jungle is still UK fare. I think jungle underwent a renaissance about a year ago, but in my extremely valuable opinion, it's all starting to sound the same again. I don't completely understand it, because there's so much more that can be done with it, but it's almost like there's a stylistic mandate that all jungle must have those same spacey chords, those same rude synth stabs, the same whitey pop divas. Certainly there are plenty of exceptions, but the upside is that I think the best jungle is yet to come. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 10:20:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15115; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:20:38 -0700 Received: from gatekeeper.bankamerica.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA15109; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:20:35 -0700 Received: by gatekeeper.bankamerica.com; id AA15437; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:20:36 -0700 Received: by iwww.bankamerica.com; id AA05915; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:21:40 -0700 Received: by mailhub.bankamerica.com; Tue, 7 May 96 10:15:37 -0700 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=attmail/; Relayed; 07 May 96 10:12:05 -0800 X400-Received: by mta BofA-MTA in /c=US/admd=attmail/; Relayed; 07 May 96 10:12:05 -0800 X400-Mts-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=attmail/; 02EED318F8465005-attmail] Content-Identifier: 02EED318F8465005 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 ( 2 ) Conversion: Allowed Conversion-With-Loss: Allowed Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Michael.Minnich@BankAmerica.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <05079610153801260000.bankamerica.com> Date: 07 May 96 10:12:05 -0800 From: Michael To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: ride hookups Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Something that we used to do on ne-raves back in the day was called the Hook-Up-O-Matic. One person (Jetta) used to compile this weekly, and basically, as Friday approached, anyone who could offer a ride to a party or who was looking for a ride to a party would email her with the details. At the end of the week, the result was a big long list that looked something like this: ------- OFFERING RIDES ------- SoooperRave: -John Doe (jdoe@dough.com) 212-xxx-xxxx, has space for 2-3 people from downtown area Club Rub-A-Dub: -Casper Dodd (crack@space.net) 617-xxx-xxxx, has room for 1 person, wants to leave early around 9 ----- NEEDING RIDES ----- Jim Jones (jj@temple.org) 212-xxx-xxxx, wants ride to rub-a-dub, will pay for gas, tolls, dinner, breakfast ------ You get the idea... This might work better than some sort of permanent meeting spot, because people's availability and schedules change on a weekly basis anyway. The only problem is, it requires some responsible person with time on their hands to compile and maintain it. I'd offer, but I'm none of those things. inhuman@east.coast.flava From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 10:21:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15273; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:21:59 -0700 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15266; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:21:56 -0700 Received: from sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us [192.152.9.3]) id QQaort12181; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.152.9.134] by sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/Brian-920528) id KAA20306; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:23:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199605071723.KAA20306@sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us> X-Sender: melissaw@sugen1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:21:58 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: melissaw@sugen.sf.ca.us (Melissa Woodrow) Subject: Re: w'end (the long version) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >wooo! twister!! jess and i taught renaud how to play twister! the group that >brought the twister mat unfortunately forgot to bring the spinner (their >backpack was _packed_) so jess made up some cards and we pulled cards >instead of spinning. i lost everytime i played. i think paul won all the >time. grrrrr.. you've gotta explain to me how you *lose* at twister, esPEcially in THAT kind of a setting.... tee hee :> peace melis From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 10:23:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15439; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:23:32 -0700 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15425; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:23:27 -0700 Received: from sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us [192.152.9.3]) id QQaort12451; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.152.9.134] by sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/Brian-920528) id KAA20328; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:25:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199605071725.KAA20328@sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us> X-Sender: melissaw@sugen1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:23:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: melissaw@sugen.sf.ca.us (Melissa Woodrow) Subject: Re: w'end (the long version) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> >whomever it was with the yellow pen...woman, you are an arTISTE! you can >> >draw on my arm ANYtime. i'm am but your humble canvas :> >> that was the fabulous kirsten (aka kaycee) with the marker. the yellow >> crayola marker got passed around a lot.. it could have been anyone who did >> the fabulous artwork though. > > >That pen has been the greatest; it's seen 4 raves so far and is still >going strong. The artist was definitely NOT me. I can't draw worth >beans!!! Jess on the other hand... > >kaySEE !!jess! was it you? i got a gorgeous swirling pattern down my arm with a long line of dots next to it.....very celtic i thought. melis From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 10:26:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15698; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:26:08 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15691; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:26:05 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA00021 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA08658; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:23:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Lets change the subject to RavePool To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Before I go out, I will gladly post if I have spaces left in my car. I am all for ride sharing, and am an advocate of public transpo. However, one giant problem with automobiles, and IMO the reason we can't get people out of their cars is independence. When you go to a rave you are at the mercy of the driver. If everyone is on the same wavelength, then it works, but if someone wants to go home at a different time, then it sucks for everyone involved. This happened to me at FnF in October. I had to go home with my ride at ~5 am, missing the last 1 1/2 to 2 hours of the party, which were amazing from what I heard later on! If I have room in my car and am driving, I will gladly give folks from North Oakland/Berkeley area a ride! kaysee kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu .*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* "Talk is cheap..." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 10:41:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA16779; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:41:16 -0700 Received: from relay5.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA16773; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:41:14 -0700 Received: from uucp6.UU.NET by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: uucp6.UU.NET [192.48.96.37]) id QQaoru26337; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rts2.UUCP by uucp6.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:41:09 -0400 Received: from hp700.unrrts.com (hp700.unrrts.com [198.252.162.70]) by rts.unrrts.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA21845 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:41:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (george@localhost) by hp700.unrrts.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA17076 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:41:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199605071741.KAA17076@hp700.unrrts.com> X-Authentication-Warning: hp700.unrrts.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Wicked! Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 10:41:31 -0700 From: George Feil Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk With such a rich scene this weekend, it was really hard to turn down such cool events as the BBQ and Beautiful People, due to previous engagements I had scheduled. However, I did make it to Wicked for my four month anniversary with my girlfriend and guardian angel, Jamie. My roommies and I threw a housewarming earlier that evening, and that party really hit it off. Our intention was to shuttle as many partiers as possible to Wicked to continue the festivities, and we had a really hard time getting everyone out the door! Once we congregated in front of the King St. Garage, everyone was excited to enter, especially several virgin ravers who were with us. As we waited, Marty comes driving up from the BBQ to share a preliminary hug before changing and returning. Needless to say, the sound crew didn't disappoint. Markie, Garth and Jeno laid down an especially happenin' beat, and we were all getting off! Later on in the evening, after 4am (was it Thomas spinning then?), some sick beats were being laid down, providing a challenge to everyone dancing. It was cool meeting SDream among others, and hope to meet many more of you at Spundae Memorial Day weekend, if not earlier. If only my weekends weren't so packed with things to do already... P&L, -G- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 10:54:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18058; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:54:35 -0700 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18049; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:54:31 -0700 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com (federal-excess.apple.com [17.255.0.16]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA26138 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:49:16 -0700 Received: from gateway.apple.com ([17.7.4.1]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA28480 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:43:11 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 7 May 1996 10:41:50 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: Re: Jungle anyone? To: "sfr" , "jess" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 b1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>Jungle anyone? Hey Jess. Nothing is wrong with jungle!! I love jungle, but I must admit I dont like to dance to it. Its not that I cant dance to it, I just prefer grooving to deeeeeeep house. I'd rather smoke a bowl, lay down, slap on a pair of headphones and close my eyes when I listen to jungle. Would love to see Goldie this weekend but Friday I'm going to 1015 to check out Deep Dish and Saturday I'm going to Sacramento to see Flock of Seaguls and Missing Persons. Aaah! 80's flashback. Should be funny. -M -------------------------------------- Date: 5/7/96 8:57 AM To: Mark Camp* From: jess Seriously now...what's WRONG with you guys...Why hasn't jungle taken off in SF the way it should....don't you guys know how amazingly ultra-hip this stuff is. OK so it's not trance but it's got a whole wacky vibe of its own.....and I love it... Can't dance to jungle? just close your eyes, listen to the bass or the snare and do a modified version of your regular thang. It definitely took me a few tries but I'm hooked now... Not sure what jungle is? Get Stareyes' mix tape - it really rocks and it's a bargain at $7.00 including postage. AND THIS WEEKEND there are at least two major jungle events that I know of: 1. Bass Instinct on Friday with local favorite DJ's (incl. Stareyes) 2. Goldie at some club on Friday. This guy does what they call intelligent jungle (or dolphin jungle). Almost ambient-like overtones with a kicking classic drum and bass backbone. I'm not sure what he's going to do here but the guy is probably the most famous mainstream jungle DJ in the UK and definitely worth checking out. SO whadday say guys? Ready to break out of the trance mold for one night and give jungle a try..... It's a great antidote to the rave burn-out blues. who's coming with me? ** jess ** ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by gateway.apple.com with SMTP;7 May 1996 08:55:37 -0800 Received: from taz.hyperreal.com ([204.152.144.36]) by mail-in1.apple.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA10032; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:48:41 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA06149; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:54:06 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA06130; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:54:03 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA06120; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:53:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfogler@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) with SMTP id IAA126997 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 08:53:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:53:28 -0700 (PDT) From: jess To: sfraves Subject: Jungle anyone? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 10:58:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18482; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:58:20 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA18475; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:58:17 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA20483 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 May 1996 10:57:50 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA19729 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:58:13 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA26451 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:58:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:58:10 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Lets change the subject to RavePool Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >When you go to a rave you are at the mercy of the driver. If everyone is >on the same wavelength, >then it works, but if someone wants to go home at >a different time, then it sucks for everyone >involved. >kaysee > Good point! So when someone volunteers a ride, that person needs to make clear what time he/she wants to leave (I always stay till the end of a party, for example), as well as what time he/she wants to arrive (I always try to arrive as close to the start of a party as possible, for example). That way, no one is stuck in a remote location without a ride (which almost happened to me in Vallejo, at whatever party was there several months ago, and was scary till I found other friends than those who had brought me up to drive me back down). Then also, those ride-seekers will know who is staying for how long at a given event, and can choose a ride appropriate to their needs. - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 11:00:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA18852; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:00:09 -0700 Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA18833; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:00:04 -0700 Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA00644; Tue, 7 May 96 10:56:00 -0700 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9605071756.AA00644@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Subject: Re: MacDonald's Commercial To: mhg@cats.ucsc.edu (-=]madame mercury[=-) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:55:59 -0700 (MDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "-=]madame mercury[=-" at May 6, 96 12:48:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1660 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Yes I have and thought it quite odd. I didn't know what to think of it. > I can't wait for it to continue so we get to see what the hell is going > on with this. > unfortunately, not so much. I read in the paper that the growing up is just introducing a new sandwich with lettuce and tomatoes and dijon mustard, to please adult's taste in lunch as well as kids. I think this commercial just reflects an attempt to reach a certain commercial market that is getting more and more attention in the mainstream lately. nothing more. > > On Mon, 6 May 1996, Reagan Reid wrote: > > > > > > > I thought he was dancing in a nightclub!? > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 5 May 1996, Freak Zone wrote: > > > > > Has anybody seen the MacDonnald's commercial with Ronald dancing at a rave? > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sean > > > > > > _____________________________________ > > > F R E A K Z O N E ! > > > "House music all night long..." > > > (415) 227-7421 > > > _____________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > ___ ___ ___ > /\__\ /\__\ /\ \ > /::| | /:/ / /::\ \ > /:|:| | /:/__/ /:/\:\ \ > /:/|:|__|__ /::\ \ ___ /:/ \:\ \ > /:/ |::::\__\ ~ /:/\:\ /\__\ /:/__/_\:\__\ > \/__/~~/:/ / \/__\:\/:/ / \:\ /\ \/__/ > /:/ / \::/ / \:\ \:\__\ > /:/ / /:/ / \:\/:/ / > /:/ / /:/ / \::/ / > \/__/ADAME \/__/ \/__/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 11:11:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA19960; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:11:11 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA19953; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:11:08 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id LAA25538; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:10:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:10:57 -0700 From: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:10:50 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: outdoor prices He hit it on the head. You gotta go to understand, and even then go with the intention of getting out of it what you put into it. Did you know they spend upwards of a WEEK picking up everyone's garbage off the playa?! I heard that they might offer partial or full refunds if people stay Monday (or longer) to help clean-up. There are a multitude of other expenses that Dave didn't mention, the least of which is a 40' tall wooden and neon "man-like" structure (you've probably seen the pictures) that everyone dances around as it burns on Sunday night. The energy surrounding that one event, in the midst of so much going on that weekend, is worth the $25 alone. As for it being a rave massive, I don't think there were over maybe (guess here) 500 ravers collected at any one time at any one set-up. It's a "social massive," but breaks traditional social paradigms. In fact, it puts them on their ear. :^) Tone At 10:06 AM -0700 5/7/96, 'Dave Bayer' wrote: >On Tue, 7 May 1996, Starchild wrote: > >> I have yet to go to a Burning Man, but from everything I've seen >> and heard, it seems like a good model for a rave massive, and indeed many >> ravers are to be found there, in separate "rave" camps. Big doesn't have >> to mean commercial, un-spiritual, overpriced (I won't comment here on >> Burning Man promoters charging $30 for an outdoor event), and bad vibe. > > Too late, you already commented on it, so once again, let us >reiterate why Burning Man costs anywhere from $25 to $40 depending on >when you order tickets. First, Larry Harvey has to pay for an organized >land usage permit from BLM, they have to pay for the portipotties cause >your average folk don't know how to squat, let the shit dry and then pack >it which each and everyone one of the people who attend would have to do >to not harm the ecosystem when the playa becomes a lake again, then there >is some type of insurance fee..... So, if you go and plan on not harming >the natural ecosystem that has developed with our constant urge to move >resources from one ecosystem to another, $30 is not expensive for 5 days, >it's just going to pay for the necessities which we as city folk need. > Now, to address you comment of burning man being a "massive". >Well, here is what you might want to look at. Burning Man is this big >festi where peoples are not suppose to be spectators; everyone is a >participate which means YOU have to get over the >I-paid-for-this-shit-event attitude because if one is thinking that, he >or she is still working on the consumer level and not on a participatory >level. That is why massives have gone down hill over time - that is why >people complain and it is where "commericalism" works its way in. When >the crowd is reduced to people paying a fee to attend this really cool >production instead of some people coming out and paying to cover costs >and maybe a little more, the attitude of >I-am-not-getting-my-money's-worth worms its way in and somehow that ends >up killing the whole party (at least from my perspective, your insights may >vary). So things like Toon Town will not repeat themselves unless people >start dropping their consumer attitudes, but this won't happen til the >massives feel more like parties and less like massive productions put >together to "give" people something for their money - but often they >often end up charging for the important stuff like water (with which they >didn't let you into their party). Anyway enough dribble... To scotland, >bye bye > >dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 11:33:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA22436; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:33:33 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA22421; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:33:29 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA07472 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Thu, 2 May 1996 11:25:00 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA12501; Thu, 2 May 1996 11:25:21 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA05475; Thu, 2 May 1996 11:25:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:25:17 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Not rave related but interesting Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >You GOT to check this out, crazy... > > >>From: Emily Robbins >>Subject: Yikes !-FWD >> >>Oh my God. You'll have to hear it for yourself. >> >>Em >> >>> Want a laugh? Call the following number: (704) 377-4444. When the >>>recording comes on, hit extension 1955. Then listen. The voice you'll >>>hear belongs to a guy who reads the school lunch menu for kids in >>>Charlotte, North Carolina, and he is EXCITED!! >>> The man is ON FIRE! Hahaha!!! He's having entirely too good a time ;) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 11:36:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA22791; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:36:35 -0700 Received: from inet-smtp-gw-1.us.oracle.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA22779; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:36:32 -0700 Received: from oracle.us.oracle.com by inet-smtp-gw-1.us.oracle.com with ESMTP (8.6.12/37.7) id LAA23684; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:36:32 -0700 Received: from slamdance.us.oracle.com by oracle.us.oracle.com with ESMTP (8.6.9/37.7) id LAA16477; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:36:31 -0700 Received: by slamdance.us.oracle.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02225; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:36:40 -0700 From: dhchung@us.oracle.com (Derek Chung) Message-Id: <199605071836.LAA02225@slamdance.us.oracle.com> Subject: Re: ride hookups To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SFRaves) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:36:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <05079610153801260000.bankamerica.com> from "Michael" at May 7, 96 10:12:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think I can set up a no-frills version of this on the SFRaves web site. It would just be a short form with a date, name/contact info, and space for a brief description of what ride is needed/offered. Another page would have all of the postings for all upcoming dates. Do most SFRavers have some sort of web access now? If not, do most people at least know someone who does, who can post and get info from this page? Um, I don't want everyone on the list sending me mail telling me they do or don't have web access, so maybe just send me mail if you don't have web access and you'd want to use this ride thing. -Derek Michael wrote... > > >Something that we used to do on ne-raves back in the day was called the >Hook-Up-O-Matic. One person (Jetta) used to compile this weekly, and >basically, as Friday approached, anyone who could offer a ride to a party or >who was looking for a ride to a party would email her with the details. At >the >end of the week, the result was a big long list that looked something like >this: > >------- >OFFERING RIDES >------- >SoooperRave: >-John Doe (jdoe@dough.com) 212-xxx-xxxx, has space for 2-3 people from >downtown >area > >Club Rub-A-Dub: >-Casper Dodd (crack@space.net) 617-xxx-xxxx, has room for 1 person, wants to >leave early around 9 > >----- >NEEDING RIDES >----- >Jim Jones (jj@temple.org) 212-xxx-xxxx, wants ride to rub-a-dub, will pay for >gas, tolls, dinner, breakfast > >------ > >You get the idea... This might work better than some sort of permanent >meeting >spot, because people's availability and schedules change on a weekly basis >anyway. The only problem is, it requires some responsible person with time on >their hands to compile and maintain it. I'd offer, but I'm none of those >things. > >inhuman@east.coast.flava > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o derek chung o oracle graphics o dhchung@us.oracle.com o 415.506.6195 o ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 11:48:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA24016; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:48:00 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24008; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:47:57 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20030; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:47:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:47:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Michael cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ride hookups In-Reply-To: <05079610153801260000.bankamerica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On 7 May 1996, Michael wrote: > > Something that we used to do on ne-raves back in the day was called the > Hook-Up-O-Matic. One person (Jetta) used to compile this weekly, and > basically, as Friday approached, anyone who could offer a ride to a party or > who was looking for a ride to a party would email her with the details. At > the > end of the week, the result was a big long list that looked something like > this: > > ------- > OFFERING RIDES > ------- > SoooperRave: > -John Doe (jdoe@dough.com) 212-xxx-xxxx, has space for 2-3 people from > downtown > area > > Club Rub-A-Dub: > -Casper Dodd (crack@space.net) 617-xxx-xxxx, has room for 1 person, wants to > leave early around 9 > > ----- > NEEDING RIDES > ----- > Jim Jones (jj@temple.org) 212-xxx-xxxx, wants ride to rub-a-dub, will pay for > gas, tolls, dinner, breakfast > > ------ > > You get the idea... This might work better than some sort of permanent > meeting > spot, because people's availability and schedules change on a weekly basis > anyway. The only problem is, it requires some responsible person with time on > their hands to compile and maintain it. I'd offer, but I'm none of those > things. > > inhuman@east.coast.flava Hmm... I could write a cgi script that would allow people to enter and retreive info via a web page. Any interest in this? Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 11:57:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25417; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:57:13 -0700 Received: from mail-out1.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25404; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:57:10 -0700 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com (federal-excess.apple.com [17.255.0.16]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA91098; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:57:55 -0700 Received: from gateway.apple.com (in-out.eqm.apple.com [17.130.8.39]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA01557; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:55:49 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 7 May 1996 11:50:59 -0800 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: Re: Not rave related but in To: "Eric P. Peterson" , "Jon Zimmerman" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.3 b1 d5 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>>Not rave related but interesting FYI - Tuesday is "Take A Bath Day", according to the Lunch Menu Man. -------------------------------------- Date: 5/7/96 11:44 AM To: Mark Camp* From: Eric P. Peterson >You GOT to check this out, crazy... > > >>From: Emily Robbins >>Subject: Yikes !-FWD >> >>Oh my God. You'll have to hear it for yourself. >> >>Em >> >>> Want a laugh? Call the following number: (704) 377-4444. When the >>>recording comes on, hit extension 1955. Then listen. The voice you'll >>>hear belongs to a guy who reads the school lunch menu for kids in >>>Charlotte, North Carolina, and he is EXCITED!! >>> The man is ON FIRE! Hahaha!!! He's having entirely too good a time ;) ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by gateway.apple.com with SMTP;7 May 1996 11:41:47 -0800 Received: from taz.hyperreal.com ([204.152.144.36]) by mail-in1.apple.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA14940; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:34:46 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA22645; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:34:51 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA22436; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:33:33 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA22421; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:33:29 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA07472 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Thu, 2 May 1996 11:25:00 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA12501; Thu, 2 May 1996 11:25:21 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA05475; Thu, 2 May 1996 11:25:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:25:17 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Not rave related but interesting Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 11:59:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25919; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:59:40 -0700 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25906; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:59:34 -0700 Received: from v-site by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id LAA10969; Tue, 7 May 1996 11:59:02 -0700 Message-ID: <318F9D7B.286D@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 11:59:07 -0700 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: satur.DAYritual/party Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey kids, Sat. May 11 the River is celebrating Gaia. We're cleaning, clearing and purifying Juaquin Miller park in Oakland. The music will go on around 3pm and ritual will start around 5:30. Dance & celebration until dark. Call 510-986-9150 for directions and info. Peace(<:love, Michi P.S. Ann & Gregg are graduating this month from UCB (YES!!) so look to the new moon this month for a ripping flipping trypping good time... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 12:11:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA27962; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:11:12 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA27956; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:11:10 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA24179 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 May 1996 12:10:42 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA28049 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:11:05 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA15640 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:11:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:11:00 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Mac sound files Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If anyone has any Mac sound files with samples of any kind of "rave music," I'd love to get copies! Please let me know. Mac Daddy (ouch!), - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 12:49:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA02869; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:49:42 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA02863; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:49:39 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA04088 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 May 1996 09:10:10 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA05616 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:10:31 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27909 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:10:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:10:28 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: BBQ Fixins Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Don't forget that we'll need some large garbage bags, too, just in case the trash containers won't hold our refuse! Environmentally friendly, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 12:50:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA02941; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:50:17 -0700 Received: from volcano.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA02932; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:50:14 -0700 Received: (from dlb@localhost) by volcano.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA23515; Tue, 7 May 1996 12:49:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:49:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@volcano.berkeley.edu To: Michael Douglas Lick cc: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: Burning Man!! In-Reply-To: <199605071916.MAA21105@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok, I just sent you the reg info. Send it in by June 1st and its a bit cheaper. So far, it looking like my bus will be full as we are bringing up a sound system (as is just about every other person I have talked to that is going), but I can give this advice... you are going to a barren desert. There is nothing there, no water, no food, no shade, no emergency medical services... So, bring shade, bring shade that you can stake down (go get some 12" rebar lengths and as many 1 liter soda bottles to put over them, rebar pounded into the playa is the only thing that works as stakes). It will be hot during the day! Bring 1 gallon of water per person per day just to be safe; dehydration will be the quickiest killer of your weekend... Bring extra water for cooking and cleaning and general washing of dust off things that you don't want dust on though if you don't mind dust you will be better off... Learn first aid if you are clumsy (hell, learn first aid anyway to help out other people who are clumsy or become clumsy). Basicly, you are going to a place where everyone has to take care of themselves, and no one will tell you how best to do that (well, maybe Earthbound Medical people will, but they are pretty cool about things and do offer something like EMS out there, only thing you have to walk 1 mile to main camp and then find them first unless I learn enough to set up some type of med station in rave camp this year). Some people bring the city with them, others come up to find out/remember what living without our constructs/conviences is like. The only thing out there is what you and other people bring... Make sure to take it all back as well.... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 13:00:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA04347; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:00:29 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA04328; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:00:23 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA23725; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:00:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:00:05 -0700 (PDT) To: "'Dave Bayer'" cc: Michael Douglas Lick , "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: Burning Man!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 May 1996, 'Dave Bayer' wrote: > Basicly, you are going to a place where everyone has to take care of > themselves, and no one will tell you how best to do that (well, maybe > Earthbound Medical people will, but they are pretty cool about things and > do offer something like EMS out there, only thing you have to walk 1 mile > to main camp and then find them first unless I learn enough to set up > some type of med station in rave camp this year). Some people bring the > city with them, others come up to find out/remember what living without > our constructs/conviences is like. > I would add one more thing: Don't drive like you are on the freeway. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 13:09:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA05322; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:09:29 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA05315; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:09:23 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id NAA27855; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:08:39 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199605071916.MAA21105@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:08:32 -0800 To: Michael Douglas Lick From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Burning Man!! Cc: "\\SFRaves\\" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Also... All of a sudden some of those little things that ravers bring for fun to parties take on a significant role. For example. Because there are very few land marks to guide you (driving in vectors is rad, albeit dangerous around the camp), you need a beacon of some sort to identify your camp. Glow sticks work well for this purpose. I am not kidding when I say that a lot of people get lost looking for their camp, and have to wait until the morning to find it. No joke, it happend to me for three hours one night. Even with a beacon! ;^) Glow sticks (or a flash light) are also a good idea when walking anywhere away from the camps. Yes, it's trippy when the helicopter have to airlift people out, but it ain't worth the show. At least one person got hit by a car near the rave camp last year. I'm sure as the time comes more and more info will be shared. Sorry if I got carried away, as I tell my friends, Burning Man is the only thing in this world that makes me feel like a kid on Christmas Eve when I think about it. (Except maybe for a Friends and Family party. ;^) Peace y'all! Tone At 12:49 PM -0700 5/7/96, 'Dave Bayer' wrote: >Ok, I just sent you the reg info. Send it in by June 1st and its a bit >cheaper. So far, it looking like my bus will be full as we are bringing >up a sound system (as is just about every other person I have talked to >that is going), but I can give this advice... > > you are going to a barren desert. There is nothing there, no >water, no food, no shade, no emergency medical services... So, bring >shade, bring shade that you can stake down (go get some 12" rebar lengths >and as many 1 liter soda bottles to put over them, rebar pounded into the >playa is the only thing that works as stakes). It will be hot during the >day! Bring 1 gallon of water per person per day just to be safe; >dehydration will be the quickiest killer of your weekend... Bring >extra water for cooking and cleaning and general washing of dust off things >that you don't want dust on though if you don't mind dust you will be >better off... Learn first aid if you are clumsy (hell, learn first aid >anyway to help out other people who are clumsy or become clumsy). >Basicly, you are going to a place where everyone has to take care of >themselves, and no one will tell you how best to do that (well, maybe >Earthbound Medical people will, but they are pretty cool about things and >do offer something like EMS out there, only thing you have to walk 1 mile >to main camp and then find them first unless I learn enough to set up >some type of med station in rave camp this year). Some people bring the >city with them, others come up to find out/remember what living without >our constructs/conviences is like. > > The only thing out there is what you and other people bring... >Make sure to take it all back as well.... > >dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 13:10:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA05741; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:10:33 -0700 Received: from boris.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA05651; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:10:23 -0700 Received: by boris.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id NAA02786; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Pfister X-Sender: ez045207@boris.ucdavis.edu To: Michael cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: re: Jungle anyone? In-Reply-To: <05079610141701241500.bankamerica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On 7 May 1996, Michael wrote: > > Hey, count your blessings, Jess. I think jungle has taken off in SF more so > than in almost any other city in the US. Sure I guess there aren't any big > name jungle dj's from SF, but it's still a very rare occasion in any US city > to > see all-jungle parties on an even semi-regular basis. Jungle is still UK fare. Actually, considering how big San Francisco is as a techno/house city, it has a small jungle scene. Of course, the west coast has been very slow to adopt drum n' bass, both up here and in LA, but cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia have larger jungle parties, flying in DJs and MCs from England. Boston and New York have had jungle scenes from the beginning of hardcore breakbeat. I'm not trying to say that SF has a weak scene, its just still at its infancy. Through the hard work of the jungle djs to get their sound out it definately has been growing. > > I think jungle underwent a renaissance about a year ago, but in my extremely > valuable opinion, it's all starting to sound the same again. I don't > completely understand it, because there's so much more that can be done with > it, but it's almost like there's a stylistic mandate that all jungle must have > those same spacey chords, those same rude synth stabs, the same whitey pop > divas. Certainly there are plenty of exceptions, but the upside is that I > think the best jungle is yet to come. It's coming, believe me.... some of it is here already. The "intelligent style", with all the ambient synth washs is two styles old already. After intelligent the big thing was/still is 'jump up', a ruff, minimalist style that seems to borrow a lot from hip hop, especially vocal samples. Wu Tang Clan seems to be the most popular for some reason, but even the new Busta Rhymes 12" has a jungle remix on it. Now the newest style to emerge, dubbed 'tech-step', its very dark and minimal and a bit more synthey. Jungle is also branching out - check the 4hero remixes of DJ Krush's Meiso for a hiphop/drumnbass hybrid or the Fila Brazillia remix of Lamb's Cotton wool for drum 'n bass at a(comparatively) slow 135 bpm. This is a good weekend for drum 'n bass in SF, with both the Metaheadz vs. FTT and the BASS cru's Bass Instinct party. I would bet that knowing that Goldie doesn't like house music, as soon as he finishes up at the FTT party he'll head over to Bass Instinct, so don't miss out on the smaller party just because they don't have the big names.... vibin' hannibal selecta From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 13:17:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA07004; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:17:04 -0700 Received: from volcano.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA06992; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:16:59 -0700 Received: (from dlb@localhost) by volcano.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA23583; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:16:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:16:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@volcano.berkeley.edu To: jess cc: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: Burning Man!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok, for those of you who wish to register and don't have the form, just print this out (or write it the part that follows the: ************************************************* BURNING MAN 1996 ADVANCE REGISTRATION/ORDER FORM on a piece of paper and send it to the address specified... so here it is: Whats follows is another advance release from the Spring 96 "Building Burning Man" newsletter. '96 Registration form included at end'o'file; get a $10 discount if you send it in before June 1st! ************************************************* SURVIVAL Visitors to the playa should not come as spectators to a show. Instead, they will encounter an interactive experience; a spontaneous outpouring of energy that is created by our community itself. Burning Man is a phenomenon which springs from your immediate involvement. We are not funded by grants or product endorsements. We depend upon direct contributions. Hundreds of people are now engaged in creating this year's event. Here is how you can help: CONTRIBUTE Send in your registration fee today! By purchasing your ticket now for $25 you can save $10. Beginning in June tickets to the event will cost $35. Buy a t-shirt or a video. If you can, make an extra contribution (see the check box on order form). Many new projects- Mudhenge, the Inferno, a new public transit project, and an elaborated Man-are being readied for 1996. None of this will happen without your early support. If you are among those people who already know they are coming to Burning Man, help us now. VOLUNTEER There is only one way to become a member of the Project. You must do something. Burning Man is a society of activists. Later this year we will solicit volunteers to help us run the infrastructure of our camp. We are now recruiting experienced builders, people to do data entry and distribute flyers, help with clerical tasks, and individuals who can assist with transport of materials to Nevada throughout the year. If you have any skill or resource which you think might help us in our preparations, please call our Hotline. ARTISTS In addition to the "Inferno," Burning Man is planning many new art initiatives in 1996. Our burning pageant in the desert on Sunday, September 1, will feature large-scale portable effigies that can be raised overhead. Puppeteers, model makers, stilt walkers, fire performers, etc.-please contact us. We also need folks to assist us in casting a large number of plaster brains (yes, brains ) that will be featured at our premier show on March 23 at the Minna Street Gallery in San Francisco. MUDHENGE In 1995 our camp was inundated by a rainstorm and mudpeople sprang from the playa (you know who you are). In 1996 we will construct a temple and public shower in which to house these rites. We invite all persons of mud to worship, wallow, and bathe between the legs of "Water Woman" (Showers are restricted to initiates. You must first get down in the mud). If you would like to help construct and tend the temple, or wish to organize and schedule an event here (i.e. mud wrestling, a mud procession, etc.) please contact our Hotline. PUBLIC TRANSIT The playa of the Black Rock Desert is a fundamentally safe environment. Apart from the very real, dire, and life-threatening hazard of becoming lost [please read the Survival Guide that is mailed to all registered participants] the playa is as flat and as forgiving as the mattress of a playpen. The greatest hazard that we face is self-created. Nearly every one of the few serious accidents and injuries that we have witnessed during Burning Man has involved automobiles. This year we encourage everyone to bring bicycles. They are perfectly adapted to the hard-packed surface of the playa. We plan also to organize a pool of specially marked bicycles for public use. If you can help us with this effort please call our Hotline. FILM FEST We are now accepting entries for the 2nd Annual Burning Man Film and Video Festival. The deadline for submissions is July 4th. Please contact Coffee Achievers at 415.826-3277. Ask for Hernan. SETTLEMENT This year, the city of Black Rock will sport a newly renovated downtown area and a number of exurban hubs, or "meta-theme camps." If you want to create your own city within a city, call the Hotline. ************************************************* 1996 REGISTRATION/ORDER FORM Burning Man Festival Wednesday, August 28 through Monday, September 2, 1996 The annual celebration of BURNING MAN will take place over Labor Day weekend in the Black Rock Desert of Northern Nevada. All attendees need to register for the event, and must bring their own shelter, food and water. This form can be used to register and/or order Burning Man merchandise. Feel free to make copies. If you are purchasing tickets you will receive your registration packet (including 1996 map, survival guide, and schedule of events) approximately one month before the festival. Tickets: Purchase advance tickets now for Burning Man, August 28 - September 2, 1996. We will mail you a ticket, your survival guide, map, and a detailed schedule of events approximately one month before the event. Order now and save! After June 1st, the price goes up to $35 per person. Burning Man Video: Only the finest photons, hand-selected and lovingly preserved on durable magnetic tape for your viewing pleasure. Relive past glories or see what you missed in this 48-minute documentary by WeirdTV's Chuck Cirino. A substantial portion of the proceeds benefit Burning Man. $19.95 T-shirts: Buy a Burning Man t-shirt, lovingly crafted from 100% cloth for cool desert comfort. Screen printed on black in sizes L and XL. Always fashionable; makes a great gift! Proceeds benefit the Burning Man Project. $15.00 ************************************************* BURNING MAN 1996 ADVANCE REGISTRATION/ORDER FORM Name: __________________________________ Phone: (______)_______________ Address: ____________________________________________________________ City: _____________________________ State: _______ Zip: _______________ -Registration tickets number in party: ________ x $35.00* = $______ *For a limited time only, you can register for Burning Man 96 for just $25 per person. This special advance price is valid ONLY through June 1, 1996. Orders postmarked after June 1, 1996 must register at the $35.00 rate. -Burning man videos QTY: ________ x $19.95 = $______ -Burning man t-shirts QTY: ____ LARGE ____ EXTRA LARGE ____ total shirts - QTY: ________ x $15.00 = $______ -Optional extra contribution = $______ -Total amount enclosed: = $______ Please make checks payable to BURNING MAN. Mail this form with payment to: The Burning Man Project P.O. Box 420572 San Francisco, CA 94142-0572 Burning Man is a 100% participant-funded event, entirely dependent on your support. Thanks!! ### From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 13:22:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA07549; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:22:23 -0700 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA07541; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:22:19 -0700 Received: from sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us [192.152.9.3]) id QQaosf20129; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.152.9.134] by sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/Brian-920528) id NAA23153; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:23:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199605072023.NAA23153@sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us> X-Sender: melissaw@sugen1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:22:02 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: melissaw@sugen.sf.ca.us (Melissa Woodrow) Subject: Re: satur.DAYritual/party Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hey kids, Sat. May 11 the River is celebrating Gaia. We're cleaning, >clearing and purifying Juaquin Miller park in Oakland. The music will >go on around 3pm and ritual will start around 5:30. Dance & celebration >until dark. Call 510-986-9150 for directions and info. >Peace(<:love, Michi hey amebas d'you want us to bring supplies for clean-up, or will everything become clear on the info line? peace melis From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 13:24:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA07718; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:24:39 -0700 Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA07711; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:24:35 -0700 From: Jeffrey_Coons@ccmail.rsco.com Received: from ccmail.rsco.com by relay3.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id QAA24840; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:24:31 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.rsco.com id AA831500699; Tue, 07 May 96 13:18:56 PST Date: Tue, 07 May 96 13:18:56 PST Message-Id: <9604078315.AA831500699@ccmail.rsco.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re[2]: MacDonald's Commercial Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If you must know, here's the beef on the McD comerical: McDonalds is introducing a new burger this week, the "Arch Duluxe", a "luxry burger" priced high, better quality ingredients etc ($3.99 w fried & coke) aimed at adults who wouldn't normally go to McDonalds. Its a $100 million advertising and marketing campaign. You will see Ronald taking up "adult" pastimes such as dancing at a club, playing golf, and shooting pool. He will also change clothes eventually also. And NO i do NOT work for McDonalds or an ad agency. And BTW can we stop the blathering regarding half-baked and ilinformed economic theory please. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: MacDonald's Commercial Author: Crusty old raver at INTERNET Date: 5/7/96 1:01 PM At 7:24 AM 5/6/96, John Bagby wrote: >Ugh! Yes, I saw it yesterday... part of "the Ronald grows up" ad >campaign. Never mind the fact that as one of the largest beef-industry >powerhouses, McDonalds is responsible for the clearcutting of forests for >cattle-grazing land, or the destruction of sustainable agriculture in this >and other countries.. etc, etc. Monoculture embracing the "rave vibe" >stinks of a "Reality Bites"-like cynicism, IMHO. blah blah blah. I am *so* tired of political correctness... I don't go to MacDonalds because of PC inspired idealism. I don't go because I don't like the quality of their products. Can we just talk about music and dancing? Signed, One step closer to unsubscribing. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 13:34:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA08654; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:34:44 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08638; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:34:41 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA27460 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:34:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:34:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199605072034.NAA27460@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Vote on Logo X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok, since I *immediately* got a response, I *immediately* set up a page for the proposed t-shirts logos. Please check out: www.tgrigsby.com/sfraves/index.html It's only got one image on it... so far... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 14:14:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA13234; Tue, 7 May 1996 14:14:31 -0700 Received: from gatekeeper.bankamerica.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA13225; Tue, 7 May 1996 14:14:28 -0700 Received: by gatekeeper.bankamerica.com; id AA19409; Tue, 7 May 1996 14:14:24 -0700 Received: by iwww.bankamerica.com; id AA12822; Tue, 7 May 1996 14:15:29 -0700 Received: by mailhub.bankamerica.com; Tue, 7 May 96 14:09:26 -0700 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=attmail/; Relayed; 07 May 96 14:09:22 -0800 X400-Received: by mta BofA-MTA in /c=US/admd=attmail/; Relayed; 07 May 96 14:09:22 -0800 X400-Mts-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=attmail/; 010BB318FBC02002-attmail] Content-Identifier: 010BB318FBC02002 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 ( 2 ) Conversion: Allowed Conversion-With-Loss: Allowed Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Michael.Minnich@BankAmerica.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <05079614092700430200.bankamerica.com> Date: 07 May 96 14:09:22 -0800 From: Michael To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: re: Jungle anyone? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Actually, considering how big San Francisco is as a techno/house city, it > has a small jungle scene. Of course, the west coast has been very slow to > adopt drum n' bass, both up here and in LA, but cities like Baltimore and > Philadelphia have larger jungle parties, flying in DJs and MCs from > England. Boston and New York have had jungle scenes from the beginning of > hardcore breakbeat. > I'm not trying to say that SF has a weak scene, its just still at its > infancy. Through the hard work of the jungle djs to get their sound out > it definately has been growing. I still disagree that NY, Baltimore, or anywhere in the US short of Toronto (which isn't in the US) has had much of a jungle scene. There has however always been a fundamental difference between SF and other scenes, especially the east coast. On the east coast, big parties almost always have big name out-of-town dj's, which sometimes are jungle dj's. But they always play side by side house and techno dj's anyway. Jungle's still too hard and fast for a major major party to be all jungle. The thing about the east coast versus San Francisco is that on the east coast, promoters are always flying in huge names from the UK, from up and down the coast, from the midwest, from the rest of Europe. At the same time, east coast kids are willing to drive 8-12 hours for a party regularly, from DC to Boston, from North Carolina to New York, etc. In San Francisco, most parties, even big ones, seem to rely on SF dj's, sometimes LA or other CA locales. It's cool to see clubs like Nikita booking out-of-town dj's week after week. At the same time, SF ravers do not like to travel. If a party is an hour outside of the city, probably at least 75% of people who would have otherwise gone to the party won't go. But on the east coast I never saw much in the way of regular jungle events like I've seen much of out here. There were the occaisional Jungle Fever, Jungle Sky, 2 Tuff parties, but I never saw any weeklies. SF could certainly do more in the way of bringing in out-of-town dj's though. I miss my east coast sounds! inhuman@ruff.in.the.jungle From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 15:00:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA18608; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:00:35 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA18598; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:00:31 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id PAA29994; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605072200.PAA29994@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: re: Jungle anyone? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have to admit first that I havn't been following this thread cuz I'm not really into jungle all that much. I like alot of what I've heard, but at this point I'm not an enthusiest. Anyway: What is going on with so many promotors having ambient/jungle rooms? Is there something I'm missing? Jungle rooms I can see. Ambient rooms I can see. But who got the idea that these two things make a good combination. One of the great things about ambient rooms IMHO is the chill atmosphere. If you are into dancing, it gives you a good place to rest and relax a bit before you go back to the dance room. For me, I like to chill all night, and rarely head into the dance space. A jungle space seems to me like a high energy kinda place. I think mixing the two just really defeats the whole concept of Chill and Jungle. Uh....IMHO of course :) Any comments on this subject. I know some of you have opinions on it because I've read more than one review on parties that said "the ambient room didn't have much ambient music....". Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 15:17:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA19951; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:17:32 -0700 Received: from island.islandnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA19943; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:17:28 -0700 Received: by island.islandnet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uGv4D-000FaJC; Tue, 7 May 96 15:17 PDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 May 96 15:17 PDT From: solo@islandnet.com (solo) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: re: Jungle anyone? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I have to admit first that I havn't been following this thread cuz I'm not > really into jungle all that much. I like alot of what I've heard, but at > this point I'm not an enthusiest. Anyway: ditto :) > What is going on with so many promotors having ambient/jungle rooms? Is > there something I'm missing? Jungle rooms I can see. Ambient rooms I can > see. But who got the idea that these two things make a good combination. > One of the great things about ambient rooms IMHO is the chill atmosphere. > If you are into dancing, it gives you a good place to rest and relax a bit > before you go back to the dance room. For me, I like to chill all night, > and rarely head into the dance space. A jungle space seems to me like a > high energy kinda place. I think mixing the two just really defeats the > whole concept of Chill and Jungle. Uh....IMHO of course :) > > Any comments on this subject. I know some of you have opinions on it > because I've read more than one review on parties that said "the ambient > room didn't have much ambient music....". I dont know if its the promoters... but...a lot of ambient artists have often delved into 'beats' and quite recently ive even been given a lot of trax from amb artists who are experimenting in...you guessed it Jungle. Personally id prefer ambient in a room all night with no jungle. But i guess cause the dj's who are playing ambient are thinking they should be carrying on the progression..and playing their jungle at parties. Next time you're at a party...in an ambient room..what you should do is go and ask the dj. we're always happy to talk :) (jus not while we're playing tho ;) peace bill.e ****** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully v2.0 Netscapified ****** -----> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <----- come say Hi -> telnet to mud.islandnet.com 4321 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 15:24:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20403; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:24:47 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA20396; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:24:44 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA03781 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 May 1996 15:24:17 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA18778 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:24:40 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA02397 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:24:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:24:36 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: re: Jungle anyone? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >What is going on with so many promotors having ambient/jungle rooms? Is >there something I'm missing? Jungle rooms I can see. Ambient rooms I can >see. But who got the idea that these two things make a good combination. >One of the great things about ambient rooms IMHO is the chill atmosphere. >If you are into dancing, it gives you a good place to rest and relax a bit >before you go back to the dance room. For me, I like to chill all night, >and rarely head into the dance space. A jungle space seems to me like a >high energy kinda place. I think mixing the two just really defeats the >whole concept of Chill and Jungle. Uh....IMHO of course :) > I agree with Rick here: ambient music lends itself well to chillin', but jungle sounds too energetic to me to be a suitable companion to ambient. The only place I've heard jungle in the "chill" area was the Gathering, and I ended up abandoning the space in favor of chilling outside (very chilly!) with my friend Sara (very warm!). A chill space needs soundscapes that help you to relax, take a breather, relate to those close to you, etc. I figure jungle has no more appropriate place than on the main dance floor, where people can go off, geek out, dance like maniacs, or just stand there wishing someone would turn up the bass :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 15:35:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21459; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:35:54 -0700 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21450; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:35:51 -0700 Received: from v-site by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id PAA11464; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:26:18 -0700 Message-ID: <318FCE13.1247@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 15:26:27 -0700 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Riffle CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Jungle anyone? References: <199605072200.PAA29994@franc.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There are many different styles and sounds of jungle/drum and bass. I personally am into the more ambient style (yes, there is an ambient jungle style). Basically in this type of jungle you'll find much more lush pads and sound effects. The beats are also mixed differently so that they act more as a textural element instead as in-you-face breaks. In these type of tracks, it's really easy to follow the half time signiture thus making it feel slow and flowing (around 70-80bpms usually). Sometimes in my "chill out" set i'll play maybe 2 or 3 jungle traks that loosly fall into this category spaced between a bunch of more mellow records. the effect is still quite chill i think. andrew Rick Riffle wrote: > > I have to admit first that I havn't been following this thread cuz I'm not > really into jungle all that much. I like alot of what I've heard, but at > this point I'm not an enthusiest. Anyway: > > What is going on with so many promotors having ambient/jungle rooms? Is > there something I'm missing? Jungle rooms I can see. Ambient rooms I can > see. But who got the idea that these two things make a good combination. > One of the great things about ambient rooms IMHO is the chill atmosphere. > If you are into dancing, it gives you a good place to rest and relax a bit > before you go back to the dance room. For me, I like to chill all night, > and rarely head into the dance space. A jungle space seems to me like a > high energy kinda place. I think mixing the two just really defeats the > whole concept of Chill and Jungle. Uh....IMHO of course :) > > Any comments on this subject. I know some of you have opinions on it > because I've read more than one review on parties that said "the ambient > room didn't have much ambient music....". > > Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 15:52:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA22912; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:52:46 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA22903; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:52:43 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA05204 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 May 1996 15:52:17 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA21434 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:52:40 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA08308 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:52:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:52:37 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Jungle anyone? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >There are many different styles and sounds of jungle/drum and bass. I >personally am into the more ambient style (yes, there is an ambient >jungle style). Basically in this type of jungle you'll find much more >lush pads and sound effects. The beats are also mixed differently so >that they act more as a textural element instead as in-you-face breaks. >In these type of tracks, it's really easy to follow the half time >signiture thus making it feel slow and flowing (around 70-80bpms >usually). Sometimes in my "chill out" set i'll play maybe 2 or 3 jungle >traks that loosly fall into this category spaced between a bunch of more >mellow records. > >the effect is still quite chill i think. > >andrew > Now that would be good in a chill space! The only stuff I've heard so far that I can identify as jungle has snare action that sounds like a machine gun. I was unaware that there are more flavas within jungle. Let's hear it! - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 15:57:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA23428; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:57:15 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA23406; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:57:08 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id PAA11545; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605072256.PAA11545@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: solo@islandnet.com (solo) From: Rick Riffle Subject: re: Jungle anyone? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am an ambient dj/artist myself, and I devuldge into beats sometimes myself. Light IDM or ambient dub stuff. And I can see even an ambient dj moving the energy around and even guiding it up to some ambient jungle kinda stuff, then back down to chill. But that's a movement kind of thing. What I'm talking about is when ambient dj's and jungle dj's are scheduled for the same space. In my opinion it kills the whole ambient vibe. I don't know what the jungle vibe is so whether ambient kills it or not I'm not sure. But.....ambient music involves alot of *trust*...IMO, or in from a different view, a greater experience can happen when a person trusts the music that is happening than if they don't. I think in mixing the two, the trust is lost. I've seen this happen in a room where we (C-lab) started out playing ambient, then halfway through the night were asked to pick up the tempo a little so people could dance in that space. We played trip hop for a couple of hours, then went back to ambient. Being in the space the whole night, I saw a totally chill atmosphere where most everyone was lying or sitting down, turn into a dance space with quite a bit of energy, then back to ambient. It never really did get chill again. The music was totally chill, but I think the trust in the music was gone. This observation was mirrored by others that I know as well. Once again, jungle and ambient are both fine, and I know there some great ambient/jungle tracks incorporating both styles of music. But I don't really think that's what I'm talking about. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 15:58:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA23559; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:58:14 -0700 Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA23526; Tue, 7 May 1996 15:58:10 -0700 Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id SAA20886; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:57:39 -0400 Date: 07 May 96 18:53:04 EDT From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: Mixing Ambient & Jungle... Message-ID: <960507225303_71165.755_GHL122-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk First allow me to say I am NOT an authority on the many categories and types of music that we all listen to ... sometimes when I read these posts that discuss the merits and differences between eight or ten types of music that I would never recognize by name in a million years ... I feel like I'm on another planet ... (jump-up, tech-step, I'm feeling dizzy!)... However, I do know that Polywog is one dj who will create the most amazing mixes of types of music, and her "Into the Jungle" tape, which is not all jungle at all, mixes jungle beats with hip=hop, house, Jim Morrison, gregorian chants, other odd musical sources, and would be great to hear in any ambient space .... One of Polywog's strengths, from what I've heard, is that she defies musical categorization, resulting in really unique sounds and atmospheres... Leslie From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:00:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23806; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:00:56 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA23800; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:00:50 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id QAA12084; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605072300.QAA12084@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: Rick Riffle Subject: re: Jungle anyone? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes Yes Yes. Rick >I agree with Rick here: ambient music lends itself well to chillin', but >jungle sounds too energetic to me to be a suitable companion to ambient. >The only place I've heard jungle in the "chill" area was the Gathering, and >I ended up abandoning the space in favor of chilling outside (very chilly!) >with my friend Sara (very warm!). A chill space needs soundscapes that >help you to relax, take a breather, relate to those close to you, etc. I >figure jungle has no more appropriate place than on the main dance floor, >where people can go off, geek out, dance like maniacs, or just stand there >wishing someone would turn up the bass :) > >- E > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:01:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23849; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:01:14 -0700 Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA23836; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:01:11 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA11545 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:00:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:00:42 -0400 Message-ID: <960507190041_486312347@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Room/Roommate Needed (Berk/Oak) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all, My really good friend Bren really needs either a room, or a roommate(s) in the Berkely/Oakland area starting June 1st. She's an art student (CCAC), extremely nice, extremely easy going, extremely unique, (in a very positive way). I lived with this girl for months and was very bummed when she moved to Berkely. Shes limited in $$, UP to 350 I think, but she is reliable and needs someone who is also. She is an awesome cook, and very neat. (Wait a minute, why was it that we broke up?!) She has very little stuff and likes all kinds of music. If you think you might want to meet her, give here a call @ 510-547-4028, ask for Bren, it's best to call back if you dont get a hold of her. Or just look for the really beautifull, zany girl in the overalls dancing in the water at any given sunset. Thanks, Steveo P.s. or call me 916 443 8225 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:01:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23874; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:01:19 -0700 Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA23864; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:01:16 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA12244 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:00:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:00:47 -0400 Message-ID: <960507190046_486312389@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Quotes for the week! From cabin trip Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Overheard while dancing at the Tahoe cabin trip this weekend. (This one ended up being mostly non(until now)-ravers.) >(Reluctantly to fellow non raver friend) "Uh, I dont know.. this music seems to be getting a lot better or something." >(Friend, reluctantly back) "Uh, yeah, yeah it does doesn't it?" ; ] Big thanks to MarKs for coming through, also to Melissa and Krishna for putting up with the Cabin switch hassles. This weekend had several underlying purposes, and all those involved helped do some amazing things that will change some peoples lives forever. The Yosemite excursion is still in the works.... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:01:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23894; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:01:24 -0700 Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA23887; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:01:21 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA13082; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:00:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:00:52 -0400 Message-ID: <960507190050_486312445@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: SFR logo/laminates (YES YES YES YES Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I can't control myself, yes I love my laminate and wear it proudly, but I can't tell ya'll how many nightsI've sat up dreaming about a new sfr laminate design!! I am all for the idea, who do we talk to?? As far as diversity of designs, well, yes, but, the idea is to assist in recognition, in turn, to encourage communication among us. Maybe a couple designs, but they would need some obviously recognizable element. Let's gather more input. I know some people might think we're nuts here, but dont' loose faith "VIVA LA NEW LOGO!" Steveo Independent Graphics From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:01:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23966; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:01:38 -0700 Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA23912; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:01:28 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA12332 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:01:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:01:00 -0400 Message-ID: <960507190058_486312556@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: "Where I'm @-SFR" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where this phrase came from, I saw it on T's at ameba. Speak now before I plagerize you with my design o matic plager phaser. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:04:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA24278; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:04:03 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA24226; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:03:55 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id QAA00710; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:03:44 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:03:36 -0800 To: epaul@synopsys.com (Eric P. Peterson), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Jungle anyone? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 3:52 PM -0700 5/7/96, Eric P. Peterson wrote: >Now that would be good in a chill space! The only stuff I've heard so far >that I can identify as jungle has snare action that sounds like a machine >gun. I was unaware that there are more flavas within jungle. > >Let's hear it! I've only heard this once at a BBQ Saturday night, and I really don't know if jungle afficionados would call this "jungle" (it sounded like what Andrew was describing, and like what I've heard in chill areas with at least a "rain forest" sound), but it was hella cool and keeping a distinctly non-ravey crowd entertained: Spring Heel Jack "These are Strings" Anyone in the know, know? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:04:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA24323; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:04:13 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA24291; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:04:05 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id QAA12469; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605072303.QAA12469@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: ameba From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Jungle anyone? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Absolutely and totally acceptable in this context. Like I said in my other post. If the dj can move the energy in an appropriate way up to jungle for a shout time then back down, I can see that as a good thing. I'm not trying to ban jungle from ambient rooms....cuz all music has crossover with the sounds. I think they both really just need thier own spaces. Rick At 03:26 PM 5/7/96 -0700, you wrote: >There are many different styles and sounds of jungle/drum and bass. I >personally am into the more ambient style (yes, there is an ambient >jungle style). Basically in this type of jungle you'll find much more >lush pads and sound effects. The beats are also mixed differently so >that they act more as a textural element instead as in-you-face breaks. >In these type of tracks, it's really easy to follow the half time >signiture thus making it feel slow and flowing (around 70-80bpms >usually). Sometimes in my "chill out" set i'll play maybe 2 or 3 jungle >traks that loosly fall into this category spaced between a bunch of more >mellow records. > >the effect is still quite chill i think. > >andrew > >Rick Riffle wrote: >> >> I have to admit first that I havn't been following this thread cuz I'm not >> really into jungle all that much. I like alot of what I've heard, but at >> this point I'm not an enthusiest. Anyway: >> >> What is going on with so many promotors having ambient/jungle rooms? Is >> there something I'm missing? Jungle rooms I can see. Ambient rooms I can >> see. But who got the idea that these two things make a good combination. >> One of the great things about ambient rooms IMHO is the chill atmosphere. >> If you are into dancing, it gives you a good place to rest and relax a bit >> before you go back to the dance room. For me, I like to chill all night, >> and rarely head into the dance space. A jungle space seems to me like a >> high energy kinda place. I think mixing the two just really defeats the >> whole concept of Chill and Jungle. Uh....IMHO of course :) >> >> Any comments on this subject. I know some of you have opinions on it >> because I've read more than one review on parties that said "the ambient >> room didn't have much ambient music....". >> >> Rick > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:10:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA24893; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:10:17 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA24877; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:10:06 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id QAA14201; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605072309.QAA14201@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM> From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Mixing Ambient & Jungle... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'd be into that. There is a guy in Sacramento named Jonny that is crazy all over the place, but it flows perfectly. Rick At 06:53 PM 5/7/96 EDT, you wrote: >First allow me to say I am NOT an authority on the many categories and types of >music that we all listen to ... sometimes when I read these posts that discuss >the merits and differences between eight or ten types of music that I would >never recognize by name in a million years ... I feel like I'm on another planet >... (jump-up, tech-step, I'm feeling dizzy!)... > >However, I do know that Polywog is one dj who will create the most amazing mixes >of types of music, and her "Into the Jungle" tape, which is not all jungle at >all, mixes jungle beats with hip=hop, house, Jim Morrison, gregorian chants, >other odd musical sources, and would be great to hear in any ambient space .... > >One of Polywog's strengths, from what I've heard, is that she defies musical >categorization, resulting in really unique sounds and atmospheres... > >Leslie > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:16:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25571; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:30 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA25565; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:27 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA06315 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:00 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA23729 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:23 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14001 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:20 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Future cabin trips Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! Steveo suggested I bring up the idea of a Yosemite cabin trip to take place sometime in June! Would anyone be interested? That might be a better time for people to get away, even though it'll already be into tourist season, but heck, we'll be tourists, too, of a sort ;) Will this one fly? Does anyone know how to coordinate such an endeavor? - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:18:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25778; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:18:02 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA25720; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:17:56 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA06383 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 May 1996 16:17:29 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA23845 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:17:51 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14243 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:17:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:17:47 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: That Yosemite thang Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes, Steveo says that if there's enough interest, he'll get it. What a guy :) Peace, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:25:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26551; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:25:20 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26508; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:25:16 -0700 Received: from [128.32.205.209] (cc209.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.209]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA00072; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:25:14 -0800 To: SteveOSac@aol.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: SFR logo/laminates (YES YES YES YES Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, Steve, you're a graphics guy... =) ...hey, so am I! I'm definitely going to contribute to SDream's logo idea page ASAP. While I don't like the idea of an SFR t-shirt (I like my own t-shirts thank you =) I am totally open to the idea of redesigning the SFR laminate... it's pretty plain. >I can't control myself, yes I love my laminate and wear it proudly, but I >can't tell ya'll how many nightsI've sat up dreaming about a new sfr laminate >design!! I am all for the idea, who do we talk to?? As far as diversity of >designs, well, yes, but, the idea is to assist in recognition, in turn, to >encourage communication among us. Maybe a couple designs, but they would >need some obviously recognizable element. Let's gather more input. I know >some people might think we're nuts here, but dont' loose faith "VIVA LA NEW >LOGO!" >Steveo >Independent Graphics 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 664-1026 | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:28:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA27140; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:28:22 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27133; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:28:19 -0700 Received: from [128.32.205.209] (cc209.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.209]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA21379 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:28:19 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Jungle anyone? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think it's called "intelligent jungle." Of course I don't know much about all these pigeonholes but I've heard it referred to by that name (also called "wussy jungle," in the same sentence, according to stareyes; tho' I kinda like it). -m. >I've only heard this once at a BBQ Saturday night, and I really don't know >if jungle afficionados would call this "jungle" (it sounded like what >Andrew was describing, and like what I've heard in chill areas with at >least a "rain forest" sound), but it was hella cool and keeping a >distinctly non-ravey crowd entertained: > >Spring Heel Jack "These are Strings" > >Anyone in the know, know? 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 664-1026 | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 16:53:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA29213; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:53:45 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA29139; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:53:37 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id QAA21156; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605072350.QAA21156@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Jungle anyone? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I like "intellijungle". Even wrote some myself. Jungle, with cooler sounds IMO :O Rick At 04:28 PM 5/7/96 -0800, you wrote: >I think it's called "intelligent jungle." Of course I don't know much about >all these pigeonholes but I've heard it referred to by that name (also >called "wussy jungle," in the same sentence, according to stareyes; tho' I >kinda like it). > >-m. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 17:04:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA00367; Tue, 7 May 1996 17:04:18 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA00358; Tue, 7 May 1996 17:04:15 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp050-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.50]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id RAA01730 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 17:04:15 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960508000438.00830c30@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 17:04:38 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Be 99 Subject: Re: Jungle anyone? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i heard it called "ambient hardcore" a couple years ago... it was described as having breaks speeded up super super fast so that the beat almost dissapeared, with ambient sounds mixed in. sounded pretty cool, but i never got my hands on any. :( >I like "intellijungle". Even wrote some myself. Jungle, with cooler sounds >>I think it's called "intelligent jungle." Of course I don't know much about >>all these pigeonholes but I've heard it referred to by that name (also >>called "wussy jungle," in the same sentence, according to stareyes; tho' I >>kinda like it). From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 17:32:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA02887; Tue, 7 May 1996 17:32:52 -0700 Received: from cyberE.creative.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA02870; Tue, 7 May 1996 17:32:44 -0700 Received: from [204.71.217.9] (port9.creative.net [204.71.217.9]) by cyberE.creative.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15078 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 17:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605080028.RAA15078@cyberE.creative.net> X-Sender: bigz@creative.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) Subject: NT Rave related- looking for DXF files Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi I'm looking for a DXF of a human figure to use in an animation for school. I've got one now, but it's pretty ugly. I need one with seperated ligaments so I can animate it. Thanx, Jon p.s. I'll send you a copy of my animation when it's done if you send me a good human figure dxf. Jon Zimmerman (415)664-6645 bigz@bigz.com http://www.bigz.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 18:03:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA05629; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:03:19 -0700 Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA05622; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:03:15 -0700 Received: (from mist@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA20992; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: JOSHUA MICHAEL ABERANT X-Sender: mist@pluto To: "Eric P. Peterson" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Future cabin trips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 May 1996, Eric P. Peterson wrote: > Hey all! > > Steveo suggested I bring up the idea of a Yosemite cabin trip to > take place sometime in June! Would anyone be interested? i am! i am! i am!! a yosemite cabin trip. YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! i was just there a few weeks ago and am already missing it. if you need any help in planning this just let me know. Does anyone know how to coordinate such an endeavor? well- not really but i could definately look in to it. luv sarah From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 18:14:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA06396; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:14:22 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA06391; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:14:19 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp050-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.50]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id SAA06069 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:14:19 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960508011442.00838630@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 18:14:42 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Be 99 Subject: today Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HAPPY NATIONAL MASTERBATION DAY!! (be good to yourself) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 18:14:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA06428; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:14:37 -0700 Received: from amy29.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA06420; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:14:34 -0700 Received: (from senator@localhost) by amy29.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16570; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:14:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Cassandra Ann Thomas To: "Eric P. Peterson" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Future cabin trips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I would love to go and to help. Let us talk further about it if you are serious. Cassandra On Tue, 7 May 1996, Eric P. Peterson wrote: > Hey all! > > Steveo suggested I bring up the idea of a Yosemite cabin trip to > take place sometime in June! Would anyone be interested? That might be a > better time for people to get away, even though it'll already be into > tourist season, but heck, we'll be tourists, too, of a sort ;) Will this > one fly? Does anyone know how to coordinate such an endeavor? > > - E > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 18:16:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA06578; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:16:33 -0700 Received: from hil-img-3.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA06573; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:16:30 -0700 Received: by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id VAA10179; Tue, 7 May 1996 21:16:29 -0400 Date: 07 May 96 21:14:56 EDT From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: Yosemite, did you say? Message-ID: <960508011456_71165.755_GHL156-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here's one person who'd be interested in a Yosemite trip ... for one thing (I'm ducking and hiding my blushing face as I say this...) I've never been to Yosemite, even though I've lived in the Bay Area since I was 17 years old -- and we know that's a long, long time! For another thing, I love hangin' out with all youz guys... I'd be happy to help in coordinating in some way, though I am clueless about how to go about it -- so I'd be better in some sort of record-keeping role, maybe, or I could be in charge of hats..... Eric? SteveO? Do we have a volunteer coordinator? Leslie :') From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 18:26:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA07111; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:26:31 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA07100; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:26:28 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA01275; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:26:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:26:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: Be 99 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: today In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960508011442.00838630@140.174.229.14> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > HAPPY NATIONAL MASTERBATION DAY!! > > (be good to yourself) ...speaking of beating meat....... Meat Beat Manifesto is playing at Melarkey's tonight in downtown Sacramento! Go if you live within a 150 mile radius! Should be cool... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 18:32:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA07652; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:32:24 -0700 Received: from libvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA07646; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:32:21 -0700 Received: from XYP2_PORT8.sonoma.edu by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01I4FMZ246CWQT7HV0@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 07 May 1996 18:32:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 18:32:05 -0800 (PST) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SONOMA.EDU From: Jonas Hanning Subject: It's still for sale! X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I4FMZ2NGSYQT7HV0@SONOMA.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes folks, all my equipment is still up for grabs. In case you missed it the last time, it's... * 2 Technics SL1200Mk2 turntables. They are about 2.5-3 yrs old, according to the guy who sold them to me less than 3 months ago. Their condition is great (they ARE Technics, remember?), but they could use some Kleenex. =) The carts...one is a Technics w/ a Stanton styli. The other one is some kind of broadcast quality cart. There is a logo on it, I just don't remember what logo it is. *smile* And oh, they ARE original US versions. I paid $700 for the pair, and I'm asking something like that, although it is very negotiable. (I'm leaving REALLY soon...) * Harman Kardon 3250 Stereo Receiver. This baby rocks! =) Paid $320(+tax)+60 (5 yr warranty that covers just about EVERYTHING) for it when I bought it in February 1996. * a pair of DCM KX10 speakers. They have a 10" bass woofer, a 6" midrange and a 3/4" tweeter. If I had anything to say in the matter, I would _NOT_ sell these! But I have to. I paid $340(+tax) for the pair, and I'm asking about $300. * Packard Bell 14" monitor. This was bought 4-5 months ago for $280(+tax) and it's going for $200. Once again, I need to get rid of them ASAP. =) And oh, I might be able to do some trading, since I need record cases at the moment. =) reeeeespect, jonas ........................................................... ..::DJ E(skimo!)::....:::Jonas Hanning:::....::dabalhed::.. .......:::http://www.sonoma.edu/students/hanning/:::....... ........................................................... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 18:38:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA08269; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:38:52 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA08263; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:38:48 -0700 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (root@netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA17391 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora (jsl@localhost.netcom.com [127.0.0.1]) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id SAA29357; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:37:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:37:26 -0700 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Bumpin' weekend! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Fuck yeah! When I can have a weekend like the one I had this past weekend, it makes the rest of the week much more bearable. On Friday, a birthday party for my main sister Kari, drank and ate like Romans. Went out to 333 Ritch to hear some old-skool (not "old-timer") grooves. Loved it...the brown was definitely in town and gettin' down. Nice friendly place, with lotsa friendly faces. Shit was on, catchin' tunes from my lost youth. Saturday, geared up for Wicked, went alone, was all good! I hardly go out, but when I do I can usually be found at any of Preston's parties (when I'm up to it), OR Wicked (when I'm down for it). And the occasional UG I might hear about, if it's thrown by people I trust. Why? Simply put, all sets tend to have some of the best music in the area. The Dj's and the mood of these parties is one of festivity. The quality of music is a cut above, and both groups really know how to throw a party. I also like to hear excellent skills. I have become very, very picky about what I like and dislike about music. Probalby because I buy a whole shitload of it (although not as much as DJ Loren) , and because I can hear a bad mix no matter how fucked up I am. Wicked was all good. Jeno, although not in top form when I heard him @ first, put on some really great funky fat-ass tunes, and had the crowd pumped and moving. Then T (Thomas) came on and really stomped the crowd with some serious funked up house. I haven't heard T mix like that in ages. That mutha rocked it! Love that jungle mix near the end of your set (fucking flawless, money). Markie tore open so many heads, he left people trying to buy vowels! His shit was locked up and spot on. The music was waaay deep, nasty, tripped out, tranced out, house. These guys are some of the few who can get me to go out, and their music says it all. Saw plenty of smiling faces from the list at this Wicked. Met Leslie, SDream, Marty, and the ever so funky Diane T. Definitely some happy jack MF's if I do say so myself :). Had a good conversation with Leslie (@ Wicked?, beleive it or not, we were able to converse), didn't get to talk much with anyone else, since it seemed everyone wanted to dance. Very cool party, and met some really cool people! Well I've waxed on enough. Looks like there was enough of a good weekend for everyone! I'm out, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 18:40:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA08487; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:40:51 -0700 Received: from ix7.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA08472; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:40:47 -0700 Received: from wck-ca4-22.ix.netcom.com by ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id SAA13603; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:40:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:40:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960507034950.35077964@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "hey, where am I?" Subject: Re: Future cabin trips Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Steveo suggested I bring up the idea of a Yosemite cabin trip to >take place sometime in June! Would anyone be interested? That might be a >better time for people to get away, even though it'll already be into >tourist season, but heck, we'll be tourists, too, of a sort ;) Will this >one fly? Does anyone know how to coordinate such an endeavor? I would definitely be into something like this! I missed out on the last two Tahoe cabin trips :( so it would be nice to go to Yosemite! Shawna "Deedle deedle dee, wubba wubba wubba..." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 18:45:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA08897; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:45:19 -0700 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA08892; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:45:16 -0700 Received: from [198.97.35.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Tue, 7 May 1996 18:49:16 +0100 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:23:41 -0600 To: Amy R Starkey From: Joe Rice Subject: Re: Burnout phase (was weekend recap) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 7:26 PM -0600 5/6/96, Amy R Starkey wrote: >Most of all, what about the dj's - especially ones who are in heavy >demand to put so much of themselves into the music ALL THE TIME? What do >you do when you need a break? Or is it so much in your blood that you >never do get burned out? > It can be a problem. I've never been completely burnt out or been as jaded as some old-timers (I've only been in it 4 years, though) but I certainly go through phases where I'd rather sit at home and read a good book and listen to music than go out. When that happens I won't go to many parties where I'm not spinning. After seeing the inner workings and mechanics of throwing parties from djing and promoting I don't get quite as excited about as many parties as when I was only a raver. I definitely appreciate the scene more now, though. Back before I djed and promoted as much, all it took was a cool flyer to get me utterly hyped on an event, while now I'm much more discerning and tend to put my energy into parties that I know are being done for the right reasons like F&F, Chrysalis, etc., although I'm more likely to brave a nightclub crowd in order to hear a top dj than I used to be. Being able to actually put something back into the scene by doing parties and spinning keeps it worthwhile - I'd like to think I can help others get as much out of it as I have, and I'll never lose my love for the music. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 18:46:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA08983; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:46:04 -0700 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA08967; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:45:59 -0700 Received: from [198.97.35.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Tue, 7 May 1996 18:49:20 +0100 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199605072200.PAA29994@franc.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:40:50 -0600 To: Rick Riffle From: Joe Rice Subject: re: Jungle anyone? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 4:00 PM -0600 5/7/96, Rick Riffle wrote: >I have to admit first that I havn't been following this thread cuz I'm not >really into jungle all that much. I like alot of what I've heard, but at >this point I'm not an enthusiest. Anyway: > >What is going on with so many promotors having ambient/jungle rooms? Is >there something I'm missing? Jungle rooms I can see. Ambient rooms I can >see. But who got the idea that these two things make a good combination. >One of the great things about ambient rooms IMHO is the chill atmosphere. >If you are into dancing, it gives you a good place to rest and relax a bit >before you go back to the dance room. For me, I like to chill all night, >and rarely head into the dance space. A jungle space seems to me like a >high energy kinda place. I think mixing the two just really defeats the >whole concept of Chill and Jungle. Uh....IMHO of course :) > >Any comments on this subject. I know some of you have opinions on it >because I've read more than one review on parties that said "the ambient >room didn't have much ambient music....". > >Rick One one hand, as a sometime "ambient" dj, I like the absolute anarchy and eclecticism of the ambient room, but I also think that the privilege can be abused. Frankly, I don't want to hear 2 hours of jungle in a chill room unless it's intelligent enough to hold a seriously philosophical discussion. I have a few ambient/electronic jungle tracks that I'd play in a chill room, but sparsely. Alex Paterson played straight up techno at the Gathering mixed with a little ambient/dub/jungle. Cool stuff, but not the greatest to sit around and chill out to. I prefer stuff that's interesting and mellow enough to relax to, but has enough of a beat to keep you from nodding off completely. Having said that, if I'm playing and I see people falling asleep I figure I'm doing something right... contradictarily, Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 19:07:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA10976; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:07:43 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA10964; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:07:39 -0700 Received: from usfca.edu.usfca.edu (annex44.usfca.edu [138.202.192.144]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA18167; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:06:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:06:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080206.TAA18167@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: mdpkl@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong) From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: Re: Me and my new life! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk today adam wrote: >Well.. > >My life has been a bore for quite a while. I went to school, worked, >studied and slept. Until I met these two individuals, Terry >and Ian . They were the ones that actually changed my life >around. They got me into ravin' about 2 months ago? I think i'm >addicted.. but you know what.. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!! > >Thanks alot you two! This Summer iz going to be a goooood ONE! > > >Your Ravin' Lunatic, > > Adam. awwwwwwwwwww! aren't ravers cute? peace, love, and raving- matt l. matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 19:07:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA10977; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:07:43 -0700 Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA10962; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:07:37 -0700 Received: from wck-ca8-17.ix.netcom.com by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA14870; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:06:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:06:58 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960507041639.2baf7e6c@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "hey, where am I?" Subject: a suggestion about new laminate designs Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! When designing your potential laminate designs, I was thinking that I'd make a suggestion about that. I think that whatever the design is, it should be all in day-glo colors! :) (those of you who know me, know I'm always looking for nifty day-glo toys & whatnot for the fun of it!) This, in addition to just looking really cool under the blacklights, also makes it *far* more easy to spot at a distance in those darkened rave rooms. I have so much trouble detecting an actual sfrave badge these days cuz I can't see it well enough unless I simply walk up to the person & grab whatever's hanging around their neck! So for practicality's sake & for the sake of us all being as fun & colorful as possible, that's my suggestion! :) Love, Shawna "Deedle deedle dee, wubba wubba wubba..." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 20:01:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA15738; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:01:23 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA15733; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:01:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080301.UAA15733@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 96 19:57:46 PDT X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: Yosemite Cabin Trip! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i would love to go on another trip with cool sfravers! i'm going to suggest, arbitrarily, the third weekend in june. that's the 21'st thru 23'rd. i, matthew d. p. k. lanier, am about to do something really stupid. here goes- i'll volunteer to help coordinate this thing if people are interested. i just hope i could follow in steveo's footsteps! so, why don't people either post if they have an interest? hope this works! peace, love, and yosemite- matt l matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 20:01:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA15774; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:01:31 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA15754; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:01:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080301.UAA15754@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 96 19:57:54 PDT X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: Yosemite Cabin Trip! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i would love to go on another trip with cool sfravers! i'm going to suggest, arbitrarily, the third weekend in june. that's the 21'st thru 23'rd. i, matthew d. p. k. lanier, am about to do something really stupid. here goes- i'll volunteer to help coordinate this thing if people are interested. i just hope i could follow in steveo's footsteps! so, why don't people either post if they have an interest? hope this works! peace, love, and yosemite- matt l matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 20:09:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA16686; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:09:43 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA16680; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:09:40 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id UAA03842; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:09:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:09:28 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Yosemite Cabin Trip! In-Reply-To: <199605080301.UAA15754@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Definitely interested... this time I'll know in advance so I can take work off... If there's anything I can do to help (foot in mouth already), let me know :) > hello all- > > i would love to go on another trip with cool sfravers! i'm going to > suggest, arbitrarily, the third weekend in june. that's the 21'st thru 23'rd. > > i, matthew d. p. k. lanier, am about to do something really stupid. here goes- > > i'll volunteer to help coordinate this thing if people are interested. i > just hope i could follow in steveo's footsteps! so, why don't people either > post if they have an interest? > > > hope this works! > > peace, love, and yosemite- > > matt l > matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, > lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. > / \ peace behind us, peace around us, > home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." > / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace > / ++++ \ > "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, > window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. > unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, > saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart > reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, > the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back > the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, > the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. > for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, > and wondered, ++++ with all your heart > would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." > > -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 20:17:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA17266; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:22 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA17254; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:17 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.54] (pm1-ppp54.well.com [206.15.64.54]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA03019; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080317.UAA03019@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:18:44 +1000 To: dhchung@us.oracle.com (Derek Chung) From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: ride hookups Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I think I can set up a no-frills version of this on the SFRaves web site. >It would just be a short form with a date, name/contact info, and space >for a brief description of what ride is needed/offered. Another page >would have all of the postings for all upcoming dates. Sounds good, but will you always be available to shuffle this info to me before this Friday? I only got 3 people with cars so far that are willing to share a ride.... Ain't much but I can Email them to you so you can test out the CGI... Will you program the CGI to mail me the form? That way, there would be no work on your part to shuffle the data to me. Then, on Friday, I can consolidate the information and post it to the list, say by about 7 or 8 pm. Usually nobody even thinks about leaving much before then. Remember, for those that may leave early, they can always call my 800 number and get the info. > >Do most SFRavers have some sort of web access now? If not, do most people >at least know someone who does, who can post and get info from this page? I think we can do it both ways, just Email me the rides offerred and I'll compile up a list of drivers, arrangement phone numbers, and pickup points in a neat little list each friday. It might look like this... Driver Email Phone Pickup point ------ ----- ----- ------------- eric Eric@whatever 408-269-1999 Camden and Bascom South San Jose Something like that.... But sure, putting this on a Hyperreal web site would be a worthey cause, thats for sure. If I wasn't spending so much time looking for work, I would have it up on MY web site right now, but my main focus is finding employment. > >Um, I don't want everyone on the list sending me mail telling me they do or >don't have web access, so maybe just send me mail if you don't have >web access and you'd want to use this ride thing. I wouldn't really worry about it Derek, but if you would like to hack around some CGI code just for phun, I certainly wouldn't get in your way... :-) If you don't do it, I will, hopefully sooner, rather than later.... Hmm, In fact, I think I'll add that to my web page tonight. I alreday wrote this CGI that Emails a form to me. I'll compile it on "vcomm.net". It's written in "C".... I might even have time to do it tonight..... :-) I'll post the URL as soon as I finish and test it. > >-Derek > But I don't want to cut out those who can't get on the net, or on the WEB, so thats why my 800 number will be available. On Friday, I usually stay home until about 9 pm. If someone wants to donate a voice mail line, I can put it up there, but we would need an 800 number (Not everyone has change at that payphone). But even a normal voice number will do.... I would be willing to record the message every friday. So, now you have TWO number to call... That rave info line number, and that Ride info number. Now, if we all can somehow get word to those people who record those info lines, and include ride information (like they do in Australia - but ya gotta call those 0055 numbers, and they aren't cheap) that would be better for all of us. Things would be a lot simpler of the promoters read the SFRaves list. I know Martin sometimes reads them (if he has time). Later... Da Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 20:17:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA17275; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:24 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA17253; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:17 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.119] (sf-tty20-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.119]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA03016 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:03 -0700 X-Sender: leftjab@mail.well.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:21:36 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: leftjab@well.com (leftjab) Subject: more on b.p./bbq/sunset Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk glad to see so many of you this weekend, i could go on forever. you all know by now harmony went off, the bbq was sweet, and sunset took care of anyone with energy left over. just want to add a couple of personal observations. So many beautiful people! Extra-special thanx to Eric for his gift to Melanie, an eighteen-year-old self-proclaimed witch who shone like a supernova all night at her first rave. She's now under the weather a bit, and wants to keep her experiences infrequent and special, but we'll be seeing her again after school ends. I hope none of us judge people by their age, but seeing how unbelievably together Melanie is at 18 reminded my 28-year-old self of the Tom Lehrer line, "When Mozart was my age, he'd been dead for two years." Whoever's been posting about the playfulness back in the day w/Toon Town would feel right at home at Harmony -- my inner child was out on Friday night! Another reminder of how good we have it here in SF . . . just after midnight I met this quiet young woman sitting alone (her name escapes me), dressed a little more clubby than most of us. She said she was from Rhode Island, out here visiting friends, and commented about the "Salvation Army" style we seemed to have out here. I said that there were definitely large pockets of thrift shop/hippie dress in the scene, and lotsa retro stuff and black light clothes, but not always. she then talked about how cliquey it was back east, that people did lotsa coke & speed, and that the music was harder. It was before Ethan came on, the dance floor hadn't exploded yet, and she seemed a bit disappointed. Cut to about 3:30, and I bump into her somewhere. She's grinning ear-to-ear, looking a little overwhelmed. "So, how do you like it now?" " I don't know what I'm going to tell my friends back home . . . is it always like this?" "Not always, but more than enough . . . THIS is a San Francisco underground." :) It was my first time to the Deli, and although it wasn't perfect, it didn't get in the way of my vibe. If the space wasn't so expensive for Harmony anyway -- I know they didn't want to charge $15 and then have people pay for water -- maybe there could be a deal ahead of time with the owner regarding water. Something like adding $2 to everyone's admission, giving everyone a coupon for one free bottled water, and allowing bathroom refills, if the owner insists on monopoly water rent. But I'm glad that so many people did refill. I didn't like having to be sneaky about water, so I didn't try, but I enjoyed the icy cold spring water I did buy & of course everyone shared. I did get the distinct impression, however, that one of the owner-security people did not like the uninhibitedness of the chill room upstairs . . . like he'd notice three people were together, and his face looked liked he'd slowly realized that this meant that at least two must be of the same gender (in the vague recesses of my brain, I swear someone once posted a similar observation before . . . sorry for any plagiarism). Tough on him -- if he can accept our money, he can accept our scene, in all of its wonderful openness and diversity. The BBQ was extremely pleasant, really meeting people, some day-after body hugs, great food, Ethan playing while the sun beautifully set over Marin . . . ahhh! Thank you, Tim -- I'll keep on paying you back in my own way. The only thing was, to paraphrase the Sunset message the next day -- CIGARETTE BUTTS SUCK!! I had my flashlight for my kaleidoscopes, and after the party picked up 50+ butts in the areas where people had been sitting. I gave a hug to Holly at Sunset when I saw her grind out her cigarette, pick it up and put it in her knapsack . . . I plan on similar positive reinforcement at outdoor raves in the future; dunno what I'll do when I see someone toss one aside. Crashed early that night. Woke up early to get BASS tickets for the June 15 Concert for a Free Tibet, hung out with friends in the afternoon, and then made my way across town to the Marina at about 6 . . . I was pretty tired, but the few minutes of dancing did me good. SFR moment -- I was wandering around, looking for familiar faces, when one appeared and said "Hi -- I've seen you the last 3 days!" in a nice accent. :-) I hadn't yet met her, but was thinking from Tony's post that she must be Branka, and she was! I was too tired for much conversation (really), but it was nice to be noticed . . . a fun weekend! I thought that I'd finally take this coming weekend off, but I now know that won't happen =-) I think I'll at least take Friday off, tho -- sorry Something Free, I hope you go off and I regret it . . . you guys are great, thanks for another terrific weekend! leftjab From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 20:17:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA17350; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:35 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA17282; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:24 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.54] (pm1-ppp54.well.com [206.15.64.54]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA03046; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080317.UAA03046@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:18:51 +1000 To: blkadder@value.net From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: ride hookups Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On 7 May 1996, Michael wrote: > >> >> Something that we used to do on ne-raves back in the day was called the >> Hook-Up-O-Matic. One person (Jetta) used to compile this weekly, and >> basically, as Friday approached, anyone who could offer a ride to a party or >> who was looking for a ride to a party would email her with the details. At >> the >> end of the week, the result was a big long list that looked something like >> this: >> >> ------- >> OFFERING RIDES >> ------- >> SoooperRave: >> -John Doe (jdoe@dough.com) 212-xxx-xxxx, has space for 2-3 people from >> downtown >> area >> >> Club Rub-A-Dub: >> -Casper Dodd (crack@space.net) 617-xxx-xxxx, has room for 1 person, wants to >> leave early around 9 >> >> ----- >> NEEDING RIDES >> ----- >> Jim Jones (jj@temple.org) 212-xxx-xxxx, wants ride to rub-a-dub, will pay for >> gas, tolls, dinner, breakfast >> >> ------ >> >> You get the idea... This might work better than some sort of permanent >> meeting >> spot, because people's availability and schedules change on a weekly basis >> anyway. The only problem is, it requires some responsible person with time >>on >> their hands to compile and maintain it. I'd offer, but I'm none of those >> things. >> >> inhuman@east.coast.flava > >Hmm... I could write a cgi script that would allow people to enter and >retreive info via a web page. Any interest in this? > I'm going to do that tonight... Should take just a few minutes. I got a CGI that delivers the form to my mailbox.... Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 20:17:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA17381; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:42 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA17340; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:33 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.54] (pm1-ppp54.well.com [206.15.64.54]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA03073; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:17:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080317.UAA03073@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:19:01 +1000 To: blkadder@value.net From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Burning Man!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On Tue, 7 May 1996, 'Dave Bayer' wrote: > >> Basicly, you are going to a place where everyone has to take care of >> themselves, and no one will tell you how best to do that (well, maybe >> Earthbound Medical people will, but they are pretty cool about things and >> do offer something like EMS out there, only thing you have to walk 1 mile >> to main camp and then find them first unless I learn enough to set up >> some type of med station in rave camp this year). Some people bring the >> city with them, others come up to find out/remember what living without >> our constructs/conviences is like. >> > >I would add one more thing: Don't drive like you are on the freeway. > Because it is possible to drive fast on the Playa, people get tempted to just point their car in an arbitrary direction and go full throttle. After all, it's what the pro speed drivers drive on. Also, if you do intend to "strike it off" on your own, in some arbitrary direction, please be advised that not ALL of the playa is dry... After all, it is a lake a certain time of the year, and not all of it is dry. On places that are wet, is mud that is at least 3- 4 ft deep. If you get stuck out there, there is no way to call for help. So, a simple, cheap CB radio might be in order. Heck, you can get them for less than $100. Imagine if you got stuck out there.... nobody will know you're out there... Da crunchman - Who's been out on the playa twice now... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 20:34:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA18846; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:34:26 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA18841; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:34:23 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp031-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.31]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id UAA13652 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:34:23 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960508033446.0082a6c8@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 20:34:46 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Be 99 Subject: Re: a suggestion about new laminate designs Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >When designing your potential laminate designs, I was thinking that I'd make >a suggestion about that. I think that whatever the design is, it should be >all in day-glo colors! :) (those of you who know me, know I'm always anyone have neon ink in their printer?? anyone?? i didn't think so. it could always be a black and white design with a colour-your-own theme... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 21:17:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA22938; Tue, 7 May 1996 21:17:46 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA22930; Tue, 7 May 1996 21:17:42 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA29122; Tue, 7 May 1996 21:17:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 21:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: "Eric P. Peterson" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: BBQ Fixins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> Uh Oh! here we again with old posts making another appearance:(. I had 54 messages in my inbox. Reagan On Fri, 3 May 1996, Eric P. Peterson wrote: > Don't forget that we'll need some large garbage bags, too, just in case the > trash containers won't hold our refuse! > > Environmentally friendly, > > - E > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 21:40:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA25163; Tue, 7 May 1996 21:40:29 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA25147; Tue, 7 May 1996 21:40:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080440.VAA25147@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 96 21:36:51 PDT X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: argh! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello everybody- as i sit here and listen to freaky chakra, writing the paper that will never end, i need to ask for 1 moment of the e-tention. AA RRR GG HHH HHH !!! AAAA R RR GGGG HHH HHH !!! AA AA R RR GG GG HHH HHH !!! AA AA R RR GG HHHHHHHHHHHHH !!! AAAAAA RRR GG GGGG HHHHHHHHHHHHH AA AA R R GG GG HHH HHH !!! AA AA R R GGG HHH HHH !!! Thank you for letting me get that out. it's been a long day, and i need sleep. but, in the grand raver tradition, i won't be getting it. if you're bored and need a break, give me a buzz or an e-mail. i'll love you for it! peace, love, and work- matt l. matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 22:40:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA29615; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:40:59 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA29607; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:40:56 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca29-21.ix.netcom.com [204.31.235.149]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA16324; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:36:59 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:36:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080536.WAA16324@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong) Subject: Re: Me and my new life! To: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: >>Thanks alot you two! This Summer iz going to be a goooood ONE! >> >> >>Your Ravin' Lunatic, >> >> Adam. > > >awwwwwwwwwww! aren't ravers cute? > >peace, love, and raving- > >matt l. > Cute?!? Haha... nobody has ever called me cute... uugghh... ADam R.Lunatic.. =)~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 22:44:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA29865; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:44:26 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA29858; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:44:22 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca29-21.ix.netcom.com [204.31.235.149]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA23455; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:40:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:40:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080540.WAA23455@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong) Subject: Re: Yosemite Cabin Trip! To: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >hello all- > >i would love to go on another trip with cool sfravers! i'm going to >suggest, arbitrarily, the third weekend in june. that's the 21'st thru 23'rd. > That'd be a good weekend for me.. =)~ Adam R.Lunatic From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 22:58:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA00765; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:58:50 -0700 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA00754; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:58:47 -0700 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id WAA22201; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:58:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:00:47 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: Burning Man!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk crunch@well.com (John Draper) wrote: >Because it is possible to drive fast on the Playa, people get tempted to >just point their car in an arbitrary direction and go full throttle. >After all, it's what the pro speed drivers drive on. While serious speed drivers do drive on desert flats in general, the Black Rock Desert in particular is not that well-suited because the soil makeup is too slippery. So if you feel like trying for the land speed record for 89 Toyota Celicas, or whatever, head east to Bonneville or south to other salt flats. Every serious Burning Man injury I know of has been auto-related, and that is one thing that BM can do without. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 22:58:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA00795; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:58:56 -0700 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA00774; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:58:50 -0700 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id WAA22212; Tue, 7 May 1996 22:58:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:00:50 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: re: Jungle anyone? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Rick Riffle wrote: >What is going on with so many promotors having ambient/jungle rooms? Is >there something I'm missing? Jungle rooms I can see. Ambient rooms I can >see. But who got the idea that these two things make a good combination. At a guess: jungle and ambient are both relatively marginal genres within a larger scene that is house-oriented (here in the Bay area), so an organizer who has limited time/space available but wishes to incorporate a variety of styles chooses to share the smaller styles in a single presentation, while the more well-known reside in a unified main area. Also, I've heard several people say that while jungle is generally too fast/hard/crazy for them to dance in their usual way to, they enjoy kicking back and letting it mess with their heads for a while...this might be a factor. As an aside, I just picked up a jungle CD, "Jungle Zone EP" from Energy Zone, for $3.50 (!) that I like a lot. Might be on the fast side for some--150 bpm range I'd say--but I can definitely get down to it. A bargain. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 7 23:09:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA01469; Tue, 7 May 1996 23:09:28 -0700 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01463; Tue, 7 May 1996 23:09:26 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id XAA04012; Tue, 7 May 1996 23:09:26 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199605080609.XAA04012@netcom4.netcom.com> Subject: (unrave) Bill Nelson @ Tower Records To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:09:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 929 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] Some of you who are into semi-obscure , unique , and gifted musicians may be familiar with the British musician Bill Nelson. Former lead guitarists of 70's avant-garde rock band BeBop Deluxe , he has been doing a mostly solo career , with some soundtrack work and some recordings with other musicians . Some ambient room DJs seem to be familiar with his work - kind of like Brian Eno's "Music For Films", but with more of an edge and a characteristic sound. Definitely mental movie soundtrack stuff. Anyway , he's going to be appearing in San Francisco this week! It's an in-store appearance at the Tower Records at Columbus and Bay , this Thursday May 9th at 6PM. I don't know if he's going to be playing any music or not! But since it's been over ten years since I saw him play in Palo Alto , I may make the commute from Sunnyvale just to see how he's doing. Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 00:14:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA07905; Wed, 8 May 1996 00:14:50 -0700 Received: from rocky.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA07900; Wed, 8 May 1996 00:14:48 -0700 Received: by rocky.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id AAA01896; Wed, 8 May 1996 00:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:14:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Albert Chan X-Sender: ez006498@rocky.ucdavis.edu To: jess cc: sfraves Subject: Re: Jungle anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think Flux is my local fave- drum n' bass w/ funk guitar sampled in. Too much. Count me in for Bass Instinct. happy thumpin' -berT From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 01:33:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA12665; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:26 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA12657; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:23 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.42] (pm1-ppp42.well.com [206.15.64.42]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA29842; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080833.BAA29842@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:34:55 +1000 To: Michael From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: re: Jungle anyone? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I never saw any weeklies. SF could certainly do more in the way of bringing >in >out-of-town dj's though. I miss my east coast sounds! > >inhuman@ruff.in.the.jungle Yea, that could also be because our SF promoters don't know how to contact the "Out of town" DJ's. Or the venue rental/insureance/security costs are so high that they cannot afford to fly in out of towners. OF course, I'm only speculating. I sure wish they would bring in more German DJ's. Also I hear Russian DJ's are getting really hot, so my German friend I know has told me. The Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 01:33:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA12690; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:31 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA12683; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:29 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.42] (pm1-ppp42.well.com [206.15.64.42]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA29851; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080833.BAA29851@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:35:01 +1000 To: Rick Riffle From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: re: Jungle anyone? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >For me, I like to chill all night, >and rarely head into the dance space. A jungle space seems to me like a >high energy kinda place. I think mixing the two just really defeats the >whole concept of Chill and Jungle. Uh....IMHO of course :) I've noticed that a lot of Jungle gets played in Ambient rooms, and even the Gardening club has featured Jungle. I think that this might be because Jungle has a lot of Ambient like passages in it. It's really different, where there are fast beats, then no beats, then half beats, with little or no pattern to them. Probably why they call it jungle. I like it because it's fast.... It's great to "Warm up to dancing" to. The Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 01:33:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA12730; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:39 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA12712; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:35 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.42] (pm1-ppp42.well.com [206.15.64.42]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA29858; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080833.BAA29858@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:35:06 +1000 To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Future cabin trips Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hey all! > > Steveo suggested I bring up the idea of a Yosemite cabin trip to >take place sometime in June! Would anyone be interested? That might be a >better time for people to get away, even though it'll already be into >tourist season, but heck, we'll be tourists, too, of a sort ;) Will this >one fly? Does anyone know how to coordinate such an endeavor? > I thought that you had to book a Yosemite visit several years in advance. Well, if you can pull it off, I certainly would like to go... Of course I'll need a ride... The Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 01:33:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA12771; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:47 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA12744; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:41 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.42] (pm1-ppp42.well.com [206.15.64.42]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA29864; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080833.BAA29864@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:35:12 +1000 To: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Yosemite Cabin Trip! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >i'll volunteer to help coordinate this thing if people are interested. i >just hope i could follow in steveo's footsteps! so, why don't people either >post if they have an interest? > I could bring my laptop so we can have Net access and have live rave reports... :-) Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 01:33:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA12802; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:54 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA12769; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:46 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.42] (pm1-ppp42.well.com [206.15.64.42]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA29877; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:33:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199605080833.BAA29877@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:35:17 +1000 To: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Burning Man!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >crunch@well.com (John Draper) wrote: >>Because it is possible to drive fast on the Playa, people get tempted to >>just point their car in an arbitrary direction and go full throttle. >>After all, it's what the pro speed drivers drive on. > >While serious speed drivers do drive on desert flats in general, the Black >Rock Desert in particular is not that well-suited because the soil makeup >is too slippery. So if you feel like trying for the land speed record for >89 Toyota Celicas, or whatever, head east to Bonneville or south to other >salt flats. Every serious Burning Man injury I know of has been >auto-related, and that is one thing that BM can do without. > Yup!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 01:42:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA14431; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:42:29 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA14425; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:42:26 -0700 Received: from 204.30.65.219 (sjx-ca25-27.ix.netcom.com [204.30.65.219]) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA01563 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 01:40:38 -0700 Message-ID: <318FB72E.5377@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 13:48:46 -0700 From: CT Reply-To: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com Organization: CT D-Zine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Future cabin trips References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Eric P. Peterson wrote: > > Hey all! > > Steveo suggested I bring up the idea of a Yosemite cabin trip to > take place sometime in June! Would anyone be interested? That might be a > better time for people to get away, even though it'll already be into > tourist season, but heck, we'll be tourists, too, of a sort ;) Will this > one fly? Does anyone know how to coordinate such an endeavor? > > - E Well, time and $$$$$ permitting....I'm sure myself, the crazy-ass Raving Lunatic, and Low UFO are down. I have some camping equip. available (stove, sleeping bags, 3 tents, lanterns, etc.) Anyone else interested???? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 02:27:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA20688; Wed, 8 May 1996 02:27:18 -0700 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA20660; Wed, 8 May 1996 02:27:15 -0700 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA16312; Wed, 8 May 1996 02:27:13 -0700 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9605080227.ZM16310@well> Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 02:27:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: Tony Rotundo "Re: Jungle anyone?" (May 7, 4:03pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: Tony Rotundo , epaul@synopsys.com (Eric P. Peterson), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Jungle anyone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For those who know: Anyone who heard Jonah's amazing set at our F&F Nag Champa ambient night a year ago, or Polliwog's Tribal Future set, or Goldie or LTJ Bukem's CDs and tapes, or has stopped by Ameba, may well have heard jungle witho8ut even knowing it. Jungle isn't just that booyaka-bad-bwoi-with-a-rat-a-tat stuff, it's a legitimate part of the music the way that "rude boy" anthems were a part of reggae's foundation, but just as with reggae it's not the dominant sound. Jungle started about five years as an offshoot of hardcore/breakbeat techno, but always had its roots in dub and dancehall with the distinctive half speed bassline. In the last couple of years, there has been an increasing influence from straight-ahead jazz, as heard most clearly in the work of LTJ Bukem, Goldie and PLUG (among others). The less vocal-oriented side of jungle is often referred to as "drum and bass," although the terms are loose as usual. And then there's hardstep, dark and lots of other variants. Drum programming is the key to jungle, and the distinctive skittering sound is present but with a very wide variety of specific approaches. Basslines tend to be drawn-out, rather than four-on-the-floor, following the dub or jazz b-line approach. Jungle tends to be in the 135 to 170 bpm range (half that for the bassline), and the rhythmic structure makes it difficult to dance to in the conventional four-kicks-to-the-bar style that characterizes dance music from trip hop up to gabber speed. But people DO dance to jungle, you just have to find the right approach for yourself. I tend to sort of sway with it . . . Right now, we're in the Golden Age of jungle/d&b, as far as I'm concerned. New records with exciting new sonic ideas come out all the time, just lke they did in house and techno years ago. It can't last forever, and some jungle sounds have already become old-hat, but there's a lot of innovation yet to come. Like anything new, it takes some getting-used-to, but I've found it very rewarding as both a DJ and listener. The Ameba crew has championed jungle for the last two years, and I've made it a point to play at least a track or two in all my public sets since the end of 1994. There is so much good stuff coming out now that it's taking more and more of my set time: I played about half dub and half jungle at the F&F Point Molate picnic a couple months ago, and a good half-hour at the beginning of my Insight set in Eugene last month. It's good for starting or ending a set, as a break in the middle, and in longer doses for listening and -- if you have an attentive crowd -- as a dance set as well. Andrew Ameba told me the other night he thinks jungle is probably a transitional genre, but that the half-speed bass idea is a very intriguing and workable one and that we have only begun to see where all this is evolving. I tend to agree . . . house and techno have worked through just about every variation of the four-on-the-floor approach, and perhaps the example of jungle/d&b will encourage house and techno producers to start experimenting with loosened-up rhythm patterns. I keep waiting for the more complex Caribbean, African and Asian rhythmic patterns to show up in all of these forms. We may not see much of that kind of new synthesis occurring yet, but it almost seems inevitable to me. Jungle, which uses the rapidly advancing desktop computer-based technology the way that house and techno used studio analogue and digital equipment, as a doorway to new sonic and rhythmic ideas, is just the beginning of a new era of electronic dance music. That, and the fact it presses all of my ON buttons musically, is what interests me and keeps me looking for all the cool new tracks. Listening to the really great jungle/d&b tracks, once again I've learned the wisdom of the ascended master of funk, George Clinton: Free your mind, and your ass will follow! phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 03:47:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA29108; Wed, 8 May 1996 03:47:02 -0700 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA29097; Wed, 8 May 1996 03:46:59 -0700 Received: (from madox@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id DAA17868; Wed, 8 May 1996 03:46:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 03:46:58 -0700 (PDT) From: GULFSTREAM V Subject: Music (nrr) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok, i need some help and advise about music. im about to record my music onto DAT, but from there, how do i go about mailing it out to record labels and the such in order to have my music released to the public in stores? or, would i have to go to a producer and let the producer take care of setting up a deal with a label? i dont want to spend my money and have 1000 CD pressed for whatever cost and have tons of CDs sitting around my house and collecting dust. also, no money to spend on such a novel idea. please give me ideas on what to do and if you want to help me on my trek, it would be greatly appreciated (sp). thank you :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 04:17:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA00955; Wed, 8 May 1996 04:17:31 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA00946; Wed, 8 May 1996 04:17:28 -0700 From: Sami Khoury Message-Id: <199605081117.EAA00946@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: Music (nrr) To: madox@netcom.com (GULFSTREAM V) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 04:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "GULFSTREAM V" at May 8, 96 03:46:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1347 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > ok, i need some help and advise about music. im about to record my music > onto DAT, but from there, how do i go about mailing it out to record > labels and the such in order to have my music released to the public in > stores? Once you get your stuff to DAT, make cassette tape copies and mail these to record labels. Never send DAT copies out, as this provides anyone the means to make a cd-quality master and completely rip you off. Getting your material to labels is pretty easy as well (having them actually listen is another story entirely...). You can find contact information for most labels on the web. This information generally includes a snail-mail address, fax, phone, contact person, etc. Of course, email addresses and URLs are becoming more and more common, as well. So just get in touch with the labels you feel will have a niche for your material and ask them how to go about submitting a demo. That's about it. > or, would i have to go to a producer and let the producer take care of > setting up a deal with a label? No, this is not strictly necessary. As far as electronic/computer music, the notion of a 'producer' breaks down somewhat. They still exist, of course, but note how many times you've seen in the liner notes "All tracks written, produced, and engineered by Whomever". hope this helps, Sami From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 08:08:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA17478; Wed, 8 May 1996 08:08:42 -0700 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA17473; Wed, 8 May 1996 08:08:39 -0700 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15435; Wed, 8 May 1996 08:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA15006; Wed, 8 May 1996 08:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: shakti X-Sender: shakti@julie.teleport.com To: Fred Heutte cc: Tony Rotundo , "Eric P. Peterson" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Jungle anyone? In-Reply-To: <9605080227.ZM16310@well> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yo... i went to a jungle pawty saturday night and although it was kinda small and in portland traditon not many people were creating a happy vibe, i saw enormous potential. the music was smooth and groovy and i learned how to salsa dance :) me... Tribe of the Solar Mind http://www.ahau.com/~shakti ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Ahau * 333 SW Park. Ave # 304 * Portland, OR 97205 * (503) 274-8009 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 08:48:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA21300; Wed, 8 May 1996 08:48:05 -0700 Received: from mail-out1.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA21288; Wed, 8 May 1996 08:48:01 -0700 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com (federal-excess.apple.com [17.255.0.16]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA05170 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 08:48:47 -0700 Received: from gateway.apple.com ([17.7.4.1]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA25907 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 08:46:42 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 8 May 1996 08:42:01 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: Re: Future cabin trips To: "sfr" , "Eric P. Peterson" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 b1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>Future cabin trips This sounds Great!!! But, isnt there something like a 3 year waiting list to get a cabin or even a camp site at Yosemite?? I might be wrong about that, but I seem to remember that when I went with my family a long time ago, we had reservations a few years in advance. -M -------------------------------------- Date: 5/7/96 7:31 PM To: Mark Camp* From: Eric P. Peterson Hey all! Steveo suggested I bring up the idea of a Yosemite cabin trip to take place sometime in June! Would anyone be interested? That might be a better time for people to get away, even though it'll already be into tourist season, but heck, we'll be tourists, too, of a sort ;) Will this one fly? Does anyone know how to coordinate such an endeavor? - E ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by quickmail.apple.com with SMTP;7 May 1996 16:21:31 -0700 Received: from taz.hyperreal.com ([204.152.144.36]) by mail-in1.apple.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA02041; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:12:07 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25600; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:43 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25571; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:30 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA25565; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:27 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA06315 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:00 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA23729 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:23 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14001 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:16:20 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Future cabin trips Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 08:59:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA22923; Wed, 8 May 1996 08:59:07 -0700 Received: from dfw.dfw.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA22893; Wed, 8 May 1996 08:58:58 -0700 Received: by dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22117; Wed, 8 May 96 10:57:13 CDT Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:57:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Aleph One To: Anarch Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Burning Man!! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 May 1996, Anarch wrote: > While serious speed drivers do drive on desert flats in general, the Black > Rock Desert in particular is not that well-suited because the soil makeup > is too slippery. So if you feel like trying for the land speed record for > 89 Toyota Celicas, or whatever, head east to Bonneville or south to other > salt flats. Every serious Burning Man injury I know of has been > auto-related, and that is one thing that BM can do without. Incorrect. This years world land speed record attempt will happen at the Black Rock Desert. > anarch@scruznet.com > > Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 09:07:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA24003; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:07:22 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA23947; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:07:17 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA24593 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 May 1996 09:06:46 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA29273; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:07:09 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA22958; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:07:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:07:06 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Yosemite Cabin Trip! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >hello all- > >i would love to go on another trip with cool sfravers! i'm going to >suggest, arbitrarily, the third weekend in june. that's the 21'st thru 23'rd. > >i, matthew d. p. k. lanier, am about to do something really stupid. here goes- > >i'll volunteer to help coordinate this thing if people are interested. i >just hope i could follow in steveo's footsteps! so, why don't people either >post if they have an interest? > > >hope this works! > >peace, love, and yosemite- > >matt l Yeah, Matt, take a leadership role, and you'll be a hero! :) I know Steveo will appreciate everyone's support and participation in helping to make this go off! Right, Steveo? Beats & Blessings, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 09:19:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA25121; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:19:39 -0700 Received: from mail2.fw-sj.sony.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA25108; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:19:36 -0700 Received: by mail2.fw-sj.sony.com id JAA21806; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail2.sjc.in.sel.sony.com id JAA23810; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.ssi.sony.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA831572342; Wed, 08 May 96 09:17:10 PST Date: Wed, 08 May 96 09:17:10 PST From: "Jacqui Kolarik" Encoding: 6 Text Message-Id: <9604088315.AA831572342@ccgate.ssi.sony.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Free Tibet-not rave related Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I recently bought tickets for Saturday and Sunday shows. I must admit, mainly because of the music. This may sound like an ignorant question, especially being from a Buddhist family, but what does "Free Tibet" really mean? Also, does anybody know how much of my hard earned $56 dollars will actually be used to help and what kind of help is needed? I thought it was a valid question to this group because there are so many enlightened people on this list. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 09:32:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA26810; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:32:47 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA26804; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:32:42 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id JAA25437; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605081632.JAA25437@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: Meat Beat Cancelled Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk They cancelled :( >...speaking of beating meat....... > > >Meat Beat Manifesto is playing at Melarkey's tonight in downtown >Sacramento! Go if you live within a 150 mile radius! Should be cool... > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 09:45:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA28203; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:45:31 -0700 Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA28197; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:45:28 -0700 From: TKagnoff@aol.com Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA28419 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:44:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:44:58 -0400 Message-ID: <960508124458_109294166@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Bass Instinct or Funky Techno Tribe w/Goldie and Doc Scott??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I was just wondering where all the junglists are going this friday night. Are you going to Bass Instinct or Funky Techno Tribe w/Goldie and Doc Scott or BOTH??? I think i may just have to check out both. On the one hand it's not every day that the two biggest drum n' bass producers come to play in SF. On the other, the BASS Kru definately mash it up. BI is $8 and has free mix tapes for the first 80 people. FTT is probably gonna be $15-20 (if not more, uhh!), it's 21 and over, and i think its at the sound factory :-P. it's rumored that stareyes is going to be plaing a mix of happy hardcore w/jungle at BI. that girl rox! Tomas also is playing at BI. He plays some of the stoniest beats ever. Flux, abstract,noel, and thad are spinnin the polyrhythmic chaos as well. i review their tapes in the recent xlr8r. pick it up! SO, where R U going? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 09:49:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA28552; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:49:30 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA28545; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:49:26 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id JAA28106; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605081649.JAA28106@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Jacqui Kolarik" From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: Free Tibet-not rave related Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tibet was taken over by China in 1959, and much of the culture and civilation has been destroyed. To the point that the His Holiness The Dali Lama and many of the monks from the monistaries had to flee to india where they live now and attempt to maintain thier culture and lifestyles. Many of the monistaries have been destroyed, and I believe (but don't actually know) that many Tibetans have lost thier lives because of this. There is much much more to the story that I do not know about, but I believe Free Tibet is an organization that provides aid to the Tibetans in India, and brings about awareness of thier situation to the world. >This may sound like an ignorant question, especially >being from a Buddhist family, but what does "Free Tibet" really mean? Also, >does anybody know how much of my hard earned $56 dollars will actually be used >to help and what kind of help is needed? I don't know, but I would think probably most of it. Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 09:54:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA29125; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:54:03 -0700 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA29112; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:53:58 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA14917; Wed, 8 May 1996 09:53:46 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199605081653.JAA14917@netcom10.netcom.com> Subject: Bass Instinct or ??? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:53:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1141 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] A recent post to SFRaves - > From: TKagnoff@aol.com > Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:44:58 -0400 > Subject: Bass Instinct or Funky Techno Tribe w/Goldie and Doc Scott??? > > I was just wondering where all the junglists are going this friday night. Are > you going to Bass Instinct or Funky Techno Tribe w/Goldie and Doc Scott or > BOTH??? My heart and my wallet says go to Bass Instinct - > ... the BASS Kru definately mash it up. BI is $8 and has free mix > tapes for the first 80 people. FTT is probably gonna be $15-20 (if not more, > uhh!), it's 21 and over, and i think its at the sound factory :-P. it's > rumored that stareyes is going to be plaing a mix of happy hardcore w/jungle > at BI. that girl rox! Tomas also is playing at BI. He plays some of the > stoniest beats ever. Flux, abstract,noel, and thad are spinnin the > polyrhythmic chaos as well. i review their tapes in the recent xlr8r. pick it > up! SO, where R U going? Haven't heard Stareyes or Thad live in awhile - and I'm an early bird, so one of those free mix tapes may come my way! Bass Instinct it is ... Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 10:07:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA00750; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:07:38 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA00735; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:07:29 -0700 Received: from (sequoia1@sac-ca4-11.ix.netcom.com [199.35.220.139]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA19262; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:04:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:04:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199605081704.KAA19262@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Re: Free Tibet-not rave related To: "Jacqui Kolarik" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >I recently bought tickets for Saturday and Sunday shows. I must admit, mainly >because of the music. This may sound like an ignorant question, especially >being from a Buddhist family, but what does "Free Tibet" really mean? Also, This is as I know it. Please correct me if I'm wrong or misled: Tibet, sometime in the past century (I believe) was forcefully taken over by China. Tibet previously was a very peaceful Buddhist country and really had no way to stop China's invasion. Since than hundreds of thousands of Buddhists, including the Dali Lama (sp?) have been living in exhile in India. Meanwhile in Tibet the chinese have been moving in. They are literaly wiping out the Tibetian culture by bringing in there own culture and pushing out the old ways. The whole thing is a pretty Fucked up deal. I believe that is why you may see signs to boycott China. love chris "Free Tibet" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 10:29:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA02809; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:29:56 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA02803; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:29:52 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA28507 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 May 1996 10:29:24 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07357 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:29:47 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA11136 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:29:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:29:44 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Free Tibet-not rave related Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Meanwhile in Tibet the chinese have been moving in. They are literaly >wiping out the Tibetian culture by bringing in there own culture and >pushing out the old ways. The whole thing is a pretty Fucked up deal. >I believe that is why you may see signs to boycott China. > >love chris > Isn't it great that China, #1 human rights violator in the world, gets most-favored-nation trade status with the US? Makes me feel ashamed to be a citizen... - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 10:48:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA04911; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:48:48 -0700 Received: from hpbio1.Biologie.HU-Berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA04880; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:48:41 -0700 Received: by hpbio1.Biologie.HU-Berlin.de (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12969; Wed, 8 May 96 19:51:17 +0200 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:51:17 +0200 (MESZ) From: Ulrike Laitko Subject: buttercups To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk god, i am soo envious, you guys have it so sweet over there in your lil hippy pit!!!!! picnics and sunsets and cabintrips and probably sun all day long... *HI* thx (i'll be emailing you tomorrow because i been super busy and now my dog is whining she wants to leave); hi tim, thats great your bbq worked out so well; where is michael mccusty?; hi everybody, here's a post from ..germany. love, ulrike **************************************************************************** we can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he doesn't admire it. the only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. **************************************************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 10:49:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA04965; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:49:00 -0700 Received: from mail-out1.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA04947; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:48:53 -0700 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com (federal-excess.apple.com [17.255.0.16]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA32140 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:49:43 -0700 Received: from gateway.apple.com ([17.7.4.1]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA01120 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 10:47:37 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 8 May 1996 10:44:17 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: VERY NRR-SmashMouth!-BSP To: "sfr" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 b1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Please dont flame me for this *Very* non rave related post, but its for a good cause! My brothers band, SmashMouth, is playing tonight at the Edge in Palo Alto. They are your typical KOME/Live105-ish alternative band. But a million times better than most of the stuff thats played on those stations. They are getting alot of airplay on KOME and KROQ down in LA. And, they are on the verge of being signed. I predict these guys will be the next Pearl Jam! So if your bored tonight and want to see a good "alternative rock" band, head on out to the Edge. Flame away, -M From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 11:17:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA07855; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:17:37 -0700 Received: from tapeheads.ednet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA07847; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:17:33 -0700 Received: from [198.97.35.13] by tapeheads.ednet.net with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Wed, 8 May 1996 11:21:39 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:21:00 -0600 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Joe Rice Subject: SCO record release party Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Single Cell Orchestra record release party tonight @ Cafe Du Nord. Live performance by SCO v Freaky Chakra, downtempo like. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 11:30:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA09239; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:30:57 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09232; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:30:53 -0700 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA26676 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from krok@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA08086; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:25:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kyung Rok Subject: Anyone Up for a Techno Moshpit? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Question: Has anyone ever seen or participated in a slam/mosh pit at a rave? I'm curious because a friend from LA says that he's seen them break out on at least a couple of occasions with hardcore dj Ron D. Core at the helms. I must say that i'd be a little surprised to find out about this happening in the Bay Area -- though I have, on a couple of occasions, seen a fella who didn't know what was up attempting to do this. I know that this is FAR from the norm down there, but still, it's a curious phenomenon that has mostly to do, I think, with a certain cross-over element not really knowing exactly how to respond to the hectic beats. Personally, I would love to see mosh pits in the Bay Area. I dream of getting a little physical down there near the dj booth, tightening the muscles and turning the machismo on overdrive as I watch mini-packbacks and lollipops fly up into the laser-lit air (just kidding ;). -Rok. (Acutally, to be fair, moshing needn't be overly physical -- just tends to get that way when certain people feel like upping the ante, thereby diminishing the collective experience and the amount of people willing and/or able to participate.) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 11:31:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA09254; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:31:00 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09238; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:30:55 -0700 Received: from (solle@srf-ca3-17.ix.netcom.com [199.182.131.113]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA09908 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:26:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:26:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199605081826.LAA09908@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: solle@ix.netcom.com (Sunny) Subject: Roots??? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My roommates are trying to convince me to check out "Roots" in the basement of 1015 tonight. Has anyone been? Is it worth the trip? -SUNNY From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 11:45:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA10818; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:45:09 -0700 Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA10798; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:45:00 -0700 Received: by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA07683; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:44:27 -0400 Date: 08 May 96 14:40:12 EDT From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Stupid questions? Message-ID: <960508184012_71165.755_GHL6-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jacqui Kolarik asked a question about Tibet saying ... "This may sound like an ignorant question,...." I'd just like to say there is no such thing as an ignorant question, when sincerely asked .... (and I was enlightened with the answers to your question, so I'm glad you asked it!) ....and I hope you all agree, 'cause I'm sure I'm saving up some of the stupidest, most obvious questions, and one day I'll spring them on everyone, and hope they bear with me! (hint: they'll probably be about some obscure description of music...) L ; ) p.s. We're still waiting to hear from some of the lurkers who I met this weekend, who PROMISED to make their first posts this week! You know who you are... and so do I ..... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 11:47:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA11014; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:47:14 -0700 Received: from mvgate.isinc.insignia.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA11009; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:47:10 -0700 X-Address: Insignia Solutions Inc., 2200 Lawson Lane, Santa Clara, CA.95054 X-Telephone: +1 408 327 6000 X-Fax: +1 408 327 6105 Received: from Tim.isinc.insignia.com ([205.231.223.101]) by mvgate.isinc.insignia.com (5.65c8/UK-2.1.ISL) with SMTP id AA18444; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:45:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960508184941.006771c8@email.org> X-Sender: knucklehead@email.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 11:49:41 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Tim (Knucklehead)" Subject: Re: Anyone Up for a Techno Moshpit? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:25 AM 5/8/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Question: Has anyone ever seen or participated in a slam/mosh pit at a >rave? Wow! I had to sit and think on that. I personally wouldn't want anyone slamming into me. I do think that having hundreds of hands and fingers moving your whole body everywhere might feel kinda cool if you were indulging that night. But If I was really into the music I don't think I'd like to have someone over my head and holding them. I personaly don't think a slam/mosh pit has a place at a rave. Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 11:51:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA11520; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:51:59 -0700 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA11507; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:51:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199605081851.LAA11507@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Wed, 8 May 96 11:48:11 PDT X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: well, yosemite might work! (please read me!) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- over the past day, i've gotten many responses from people who say they would come to a yosemite trip. so, i ask the following favors of the sfraves community: 1)could anyone else who is interested mail me asap? 2)could anyone who has experience making reservation with yosemite also contact me? i think it would be great to get this off the ground!!! hope to hear from you all soon! peace, love, and yosemite- matt l. matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 11:52:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA11606; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:52:27 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA11600; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:52:23 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA02454 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 May 1996 11:51:55 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16114 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:52:18 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA29025 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:52:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:52:15 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Anyone Up for a Techno Moshpit? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >(Acutally, to be fair, moshing needn't be overly physical -- just tends >to get that way when certain people feel like upping the ante, thereby >diminishing the collective experience and the amount of people willing >and/or able to participate.) Which, to me, contradicts the spirit of the (sf)rave scene. I'd rather hug a body than slam into it any day! Easily bruised, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 11:54:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA11797; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:54:21 -0700 Received: from mail-out1.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA11787; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:54:17 -0700 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com (federal-excess.apple.com [17.255.0.16]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA12070 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:55:07 -0700 Received: from gateway.apple.com ([17.7.4.1]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA04137 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:53:02 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 8 May 1996 11:48:34 -0700 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: Re: Anyone Up for a Techno M To: "sfr" , "Kyung Rok" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 b1 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>Anyone Up for a Techno Moshpit? hmmm, I would not be into the moshing thing. Imagine being off in your own world grooving with your eyes closed and suddenly being slammed in the face by someone doing a stage dive off the 1200's. Would not be cool. Plus, this would take up way too much dance floor space, especially right infront of the DJ. -M -------------------------------------- Date: 5/8/96 11:37 AM To: Mark Camp* From: Kyung Rok Question: Has anyone ever seen or participated in a slam/mosh pit at a rave? I'm curious because a friend from LA says that he's seen them break out on at least a couple of occasions with hardcore dj Ron D. Core at the helms. I must say that i'd be a little surprised to find out about this happening in the Bay Area -- though I have, on a couple of occasions, seen a fella who didn't know what was up attempting to do this. I know that this is FAR from the norm down there, but still, it's a curious phenomenon that has mostly to do, I think, with a certain cross-over element not really knowing exactly how to respond to the hectic beats. Personally, I would love to see mosh pits in the Bay Area. I dream of getting a little physical down there near the dj booth, tightening the muscles and turning the machismo on overdrive as I watch mini-packbacks and lollipops fly up into the laser-lit air (just kidding ;). -Rok. (Acutally, to be fair, moshing needn't be overly physical -- just tends to get that way when certain people feel like upping the ante, thereby diminishing the collective experience and the amount of people willing and/or able to participate.) ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by quickmail.apple.com with SMTP;8 May 1996 11:34:22 -0800 Received: from taz.hyperreal.com ([204.152.144.36]) by mail-in1.apple.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA28634; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:27:21 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA09305; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:31:10 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA09239; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:30:57 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09232; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:30:53 -0700 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA26676 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from krok@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA08086; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:25:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kyung Rok Subject: Anyone Up for a Techno Moshpit? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 11:59:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA12444; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:59:03 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA12437; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:59:01 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp039-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.39]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id LAA17098 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:58:54 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960508185918.0085b17c@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 11:59:18 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Be 99 Subject: Re: Anyone Up for a Techno Moshpit? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk don't you hate it when you accidently reply to a person when you meant to reply to the list?? grr.. here it is, anyway. >>>Question: Has anyone ever seen or participated in a slam/mosh pit at a >>>rave? >>Wow! I had to sit and think on that. I personally wouldn't want anyone >>slamming into me. I do think that having hundreds of hands and fingers > >well, mosh pits don't neccesarily have to be those kill-fests that you see at concerts and such. back in the old days before grunge had become popular, all the locals and i used to have mosh pits where everyone was just swaying, moving around, and gently bumping into each other. kind of like a transferral of the energy or vibe... >it was only when grunge got cool and all the frat boys jumped in that the mosh pits started getting violent. not surprisingly, this is when i got turned off grunge and discovered rave. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 12:06:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA13268; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:06:21 -0700 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA13261; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:06:18 -0700 Received: from post-awful.apple.com (post-awful.apple.com [17.255.0.17]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA138700 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:06:11 -0700 Received: from [17.202.40.154] (hahnbr.apple.com [17.202.40.154]) by post-awful.apple.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA20666 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:07:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199605081907.MAA20666@post-awful.apple.com> Subject: Re: Burning Man!! Date: Wed, 8 May 96 12:04:32 -0800 From: Anarch To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Aleph One, aleph1@dfw.net wrote: >Incorrect. This years world land speed record attempt will happen at the >Black Rock Desert. I'm sure that a genuine speed record attempt will be undertaken by people who know what they're doing and can organize themselves to make their effort without endangering the other attendees. The land speed record remark was really directed at those who come out to the desert and find the wide-open spaces an irresistible temptation to get wasted and race around in the dark without knowing where the hell they're going. Don't do it! anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 12:20:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA14491; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:20:40 -0700 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA14477; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:20:36 -0700 Received: (from branka@localhost) by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA16318; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:20:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:20:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Branka Cehic Subject: Re: well, yosemite might work! (please read me!) To: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199605081851.LAA11507@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey guys! I would love to go, although I am not sure if I will be able to make it in June. I am planning to go to Croatia 6/6 - 6/24, so if it is in that time frame :(... Oh, well. Just let me know what the exact date is. Hugz, Branka On Wed, 8 May 1996, matthew d. p. k. lanier wrote: > hello all- > > over the past day, i've gotten many responses from people who say they would > come to a yosemite trip. so, i ask the following favors of the sfraves > community: > > 1)could anyone else who is interested mail me asap? > > 2)could anyone who has experience making reservation with yosemite also > contact me? > > > i think it would be great to get this off the ground!!! > > > hope to hear from you all soon! > > peace, love, and yosemite- > > matt l. > matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, > lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. > / \ peace behind us, peace around us, > home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." > / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace > / ++++ \ > "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, > window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. > unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, > saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart > reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, > the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back > the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, > the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. > for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, > and wondered, ++++ with all your heart > would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." > > -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 12:31:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA15415; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:31:22 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA15407; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:31:19 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA04323 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 May 1996 12:30:49 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA19492; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:31:13 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA07035; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:31:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:31:10 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Be 99 From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Anyone Up for a Techno Moshpit? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>well, mosh pits don't neccesarily have to be those kill-fests that you see >at concerts and such. back in the old days before grunge had become popular, >all the locals and i used to have mosh pits where everyone was just swaying, >moving around, and gently bumping into each other. kind of like a >transferral of the energy or vibe... >>it was only when grunge got cool and all the frat boys jumped in that the >mosh pits started getting violent. not surprisingly, this is when i got >turned off grunge and discovered rave. >> No, moshing started with metal, dude. Especially speed metal. And that was WAY before the weak genre of grunge started. Grunge mosh pits were pale imitations of true mosh pits, at such concerts as Exodus, Anthrax, and Slayer. Spikes, chains, and leather abounded, and people got HURT! It was at a Testament opener to an Iron Maiden show a few years ago, when lead singer Chuck Billy, seeing the action in the crowd, said (yelling): "Push somebody! [voice down an octave] HURT 'EM!!!" That is what moshing is all about. Here endeth the lesson. - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 12:36:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA15842; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:36:11 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA15837; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:36:08 -0700 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA23844 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from krok@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA25351; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:32:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Kyung Rok Subject: Re: Burning Man!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199605081907.MAA20666@post-awful.apple.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >Incorrect. This years world land speed record attempt will happen at the > >Black Rock Desert. For those who decide this year to put the pedal to the metal at BM, please pay attention to which way the wind is blowing, and how close you are to other people. Excess dust in the nostrils, eyes, and ears can get tedious for the otherwise happy-go-lucky disposition. Thanks, Rok. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 12:44:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA16504; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:44:08 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA16497; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:44:05 -0700 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id MAA14944; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:44:02 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id MAA10921; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:44:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:44:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re: Free Tibet-not rave related To: Jacqui Kolarik cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9604088315.AA831572342@ccgate.ssi.sony.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 May 1996, Jacqui Kolarik wrote: > I recently bought tickets for Saturday and Sunday shows. I must admit, mainly > because of the music. This may sound like an ignorant question, especially > being from a Buddhist family, but what does "Free Tibet" really mean? Also, > does anybody know how much of my hard earned $56 dollars will actually be used > to help and what kind of help is needed? I thought it was a valid question to > this group because there are so many enlightened people on this list. > > as far as i know tibet is 'part' of china and under chinas laws...tibet is currently trying to become autonomous from china. the money will probably go to milrepea (sp?) an organization started or helped by adam youch aka mca ....at the end of the b-boys video, sabatoge, their is a small piece on milrepea (sp?) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 12:50:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA17282; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:50:52 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA17276; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:50:49 -0700 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id MAA16588; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:50:45 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id MAA12048; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:50:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:50:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: bassinstinct To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk does anyone know in what general area of the bay area this party will be in?..im in santa cruz and would like to know how far i might have to drive thanks much dimitri From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 12:55:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA17758; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:55:33 -0700 Received: from ns0002.dnt.dialog.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA17698; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:55:27 -0700 Received: from smtp-gw.krinfo.com by ns0002.dnt.dialog.com (8.6.9/SMI-4.1) id MAA01168; Wed, 8 May 1996 12:53:50 -0700 Received: from ccMail by smtp-gw.krinfo.com (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 190fbab0; Wed, 8 May 96 12:53:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:34:13 -0700 Message-ID: <190fbab0@krinfo.com> From: Corey_Johnson@krinfo.com (Corey Johnson) Subject: Burning Man vs. commerical media incursion. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk --Informed people-- I'm just wondering if anyone close to the Burning Man organization can confirm that MTV will be attending this year, and if so, what measures will be taken to ensure that their presence does not contaminate the event. I was happily preparing to send in my early registration form when word of this unfortunate development reached me. The fellow responsible for this assertion claimed to be in close contact with BM planners. He also added that contingencies are being drawn up to accomodate as many as 10,000 attendees. Aside from my concerns about maintaining the integrity of Burning Man and fighting attempts to commodify its impact on the mediascape, I am even more troubled by what effect all of this might have on the character of the playa. For instance, will there be a constant police presence on site, or will they stick to occasional patrols as they did last year? Will it be necessary to impose more structure on the layout of the camp and control parking/traffic conditions? Will the rave camps have to be more subdued than previous years? The more I think about it, the more it begins to sound like the suburbs. Yuck. If anyone can dispel (or confirm) these reports, please share your valuable knowledge with the rest of us. Thanks, Corey ps- My apologies if this has been discussed already. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 13:20:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA20302; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:20:31 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA20297; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:20:28 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id NAA02685 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605082020.NAA02685@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: hard copy tonite (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I got this off socal-raves. I assume the same episode is on tonight in SF. See what the sensationalistic mass media's latest take on the rave scene is. Have a tissue handy. -troy > > checked the listing: > > 7:00 on kcbs channel 2: Hard Copy: "teen party fad" > > so THATS what a rave is ;) > > Dave Scruton > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 13:24:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA20794; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:24:17 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA20788; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:24:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfogler@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) with SMTP id NAA178023; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:24:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: jess To: Kyung Rok cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Anyone Up for a Techno Moshpit? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes! I am - I love slamming into masses of bodies, risking bloody noses and the like to have a macho group grope of sorts. I actually particpated in a mosh pit at a grateful dead concert once and it was one of the funnest things ever. As long as everyone is lighthearted and laughing it can be great. But then again, I a reformed college rugby player so there you go.. ** jess ** On Wed, 8 May 1996, Kyung Rok wrote: > > Question: Has anyone ever seen or participated in a slam/mosh pit at a > rave? I'm curious because a friend from LA says that he's seen them > break out on at least a couple of occasions with hardcore dj Ron D. Core > at the helms. I must say that i'd be a little surprised to find out about > this happening in the Bay Area -- though I have, on a couple of occasions, > seen a fella who didn't know what was up attempting to do this. > > I know that this is FAR from the norm down there, but still, it's a curious > phenomenon that has mostly to do, I think, with a certain cross-over > element not really knowing exactly how to respond to the hectic beats. > Personally, I would love to see mosh pits in the Bay Area. I dream of > getting a little physical down there near the dj booth, tightening the > muscles and turning the machismo on overdrive as I watch mini-packbacks > and lollipops fly up into the laser-lit air (just kidding ;). -Rok. > > (Acutally, to be fair, moshing needn't be overly physical -- just tends > to get that way when certain people feel like upping the ante, thereby > diminishing the collective experience and the amount of people willing > and/or able to participate.) > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 13:28:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA21074; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:28:02 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA21062; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:27:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfogler@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) with SMTP id NAA54203; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:27:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:27:23 -0700 (PDT) From: jess To: Mark Camp* cc: sfr , Kyung Rok Subject: Re: Anyone Up for a Techno M In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > hmmm, I would not be into the moshing thing. Imagine being off in your own > world grooving with your eyes closed and suddenly being slammed in the face by > someone doing a stage dive off the 1200's. Would not be cool. Plus, this OK I see your point. I'll just have to slam into my friends when I see them before the rave. :) ** jess ** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 13:42:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA22513; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:42:05 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA22504; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:42:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfogler@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) with SMTP id NAA57427 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:42:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: jess To: sfraves Subject: Re: Anyone Up for a Techno Mosh pit Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > hmmm, I would not be into the moshing thing. Imagine being off in your own > world grooving with your eyes closed and suddenly being slammed in the face by > someone doing a stage dive off the 1200's. Would not be cool. Plus, this OK I see your point. I'll just have to slam into my friends when I see them before the rave. :) ** jess ** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 13:50:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA23215; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:50:00 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA23208; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:49:54 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id NAA14883; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:49:42 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:49:42 -0800 To: Corey_Johnson@krinfo.com (Corey Johnson), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo) Subject: Re: Burning Man vs. commerical media incursion. PRR Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [PRR = Partly Rave Related] Your questions and comments would be better directed to the Burning Man newsgroup: burnman-list@well.com However, my take on it is this: Last year, before I got convinced otherwise, I was not going to attend, and part of that decision was due to the fact that I heard that MTV was going to be there. Boy am I glad I was talked into going! Not only didn't I see MTV, I didn't see much in the way of mass media. I know the organizers are strict about the level of media production going on there. As for MTV actually having a large scale presence there, I am alight with the thought of people climbing over each other to set any stage they may erect on fire. No lie! Tony P.S. Your questions about structure of the camps and layout and all that...If you've been there you know you could easily, and without question, move "out of the suburbs and into the country." I heard this year there are going to be some condos going up around the hot springs. ;^) At 12:34 PM 5/8/96, Corey Johnson wrote: > > --Informed people-- > > I'm just wondering if anyone close to the Burning Man organization can > confirm that MTV will be attending this year, and if so, what measures > will be taken to ensure that their presence does not contaminate the > event. I was happily preparing to send in my early registration form > when word of this unfortunate development reached me. The fellow > responsible for this assertion claimed to be in close contact with BM > planners. He also added that contingencies are being drawn up to > accomodate as many as 10,000 attendees. > > Aside from my concerns about maintaining the integrity of Burning Man > and fighting attempts to commodify its impact on the mediascape, I am > even more troubled by what effect all of this might have on the > character of the playa. For instance, will there be a constant police > presence on site, or will they stick to occasional patrols as they did > last year? Will it be necessary to impose more structure on the > layout of the camp and control parking/traffic conditions? Will the > rave camps have to be more subdued than previous years? The more I > think about it, the more it begins to sound like the suburbs. Yuck. > If anyone can dispel (or confirm) these reports, please share your > valuable knowledge with the rest of us. Thanks, > > Corey > > ps- My apologies if this has been discussed already. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 14:08:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA24876; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:08:07 -0700 Received: from shgc.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA24866; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:08:02 -0700 Received: from [171.65.76.81] by shgc.Stanford.EDU (8.7.4/inc-1.0) id VAA23197; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:07:55 GMT Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:07:55 GMT Message-Id: <199605082107.VAA23197@shgc.Stanford.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: piercy@toolik.Stanford.EDU (Mark Piercy) Subject: Re: Burning Man vs. commerical media incursion. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hope and pray this aint so!! maybe a rumor, anyone in the know, know? MTV is the lowest and most insulting form of entertainment I have ever seen. Mark > > --Informed people-- > > I'm just wondering if anyone close to the Burning Man organization can > confirm that MTV will be attending this year, and if so, what measures > will be taken to ensure that their presence does not contaminate the > event. I was happily preparing to send in my early registration form > when word of this unfortunate development reached me. The fellow > responsible for this assertion claimed to be in close contact with BM > planners. He also added that contingencies are being drawn up to > accomodate as many as 10,000 attendees. > > Aside from my concerns about maintaining the integrity of Burning Man > and fighting attempts to commodify its impact on the mediascape, I am > even more troubled by what effect all of this might have on the > character of the playa. For instance, will there be a constant police > presence on site, or will they stick to occasional patrols as they did > last year? Will it be necessary to impose more structure on the > layout of the camp and control parking/traffic conditions? Will the > rave camps have to be more subdued than previous years? The more I > think about it, the more it begins to sound like the suburbs. Yuck. > If anyone can dispel (or confirm) these reports, please share your > valuable knowledge with the rest of us. Thanks, > > Corey > > ps- My apologies if this has been discussed already. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 14:12:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA25732; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:12:37 -0700 Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA25723; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:12:34 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01941 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 8 May 1996 17:12:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:12:05 -0400 Message-ID: <960508171203_487007685@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Trips & Treats-SFR Help Needed Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Calling All Sfravers, I was just thinking.. (uh...), I suppose I've managed to find some cool cabins & party spots, but with the combined resources of sfraves, who know what we could come up with!! SO, keep your peepers posted, ear in on conversations, whatever, but whenever you hear about a cool spot or some see some prime vacation property for rent in the paper, write it down, and throw yourself a party or at least put it out on the list, for someone else like myself to snatch up and expolit for communal benefit. ; ] Love, Steveo P.S. Looks like Matt (lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu) [Thank you Matt!!] will be doing the address collection for Yosemite, be sure to send him any dates that will or wont work for you. Also be sure that you have a serious interest, having things come up is totally understandable, but it's frustrating when people sign up then you never hear from them again. Keep us informed of your situation. P.S.S. Yes, yosemite is a total madhouse and a bitch to get into in the summer, but there are tricks, we may have to look for a place outside the park. No Worries, yah. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 15:54:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA04936; Wed, 8 May 1996 15:54:25 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA04923; Wed, 8 May 1996 15:54:22 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA16375; Wed, 8 May 1996 15:54:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Jacqui Kolarik cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Free Tibet-not rave related In-Reply-To: <9604088315.AA831572342@ccgate.ssi.sony.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Also another question- who will be performing there? Reagan On Wed, 8 May 1996, Jacqui Kolarik wrote: > I recently bought tickets for Saturday and Sunday shows. I must admit, mainly > because of the music. This may sound like an ignorant question, especially > being from a Buddhist family, but what does "Free Tibet" really mean? Also, > does anybody know how much of my hard earned $56 dollars will actually be used > to help and what kind of help is needed? I thought it was a valid question to > this group because there are so many enlightened people on this list. > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 15:55:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA05059; Wed, 8 May 1996 15:55:49 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA05051; Wed, 8 May 1996 15:55:43 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id PAA00471; Wed, 8 May 1996 15:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605082254.PAA00471@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: ez056875@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress Subject: Re: Hard Copy and Desert Raves Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just watched the show Hard Copy and the segment on raves. Wow! What a laugh. I think it will be on again at 7pm tonight on CBS. This 5 minute segment talked about how raves are all about "boozing and doing nitrous". This segment seemed to show all the negative parts of a rave and talked about all these people who died from going to raves. The funniest thing was that the reporter said that raves moved from the cities to deserts because of the gang warfare and the driveby shootings. oh well... {:~D Matt _____ ____ _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ ____ | \ / \ | | | / | | | | | |_____/ |______| |_____ |_____ |_ / |____ |____ |____| |____ | \ | | | | | \ | | | | |_____/ | | _____| _____| | \ |____ |____ | ____| _______ _____ _____ | | | | | |\ /| | | | |\ | / | |_____| | | | \ / | |_____| | | \ | | | | | | | \/ | | | | \ | | | | |_____| | | | __|__ | \| From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 16:09:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA06468; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:09:32 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA06463; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:09:29 -0700 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA12134; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Dimitri K Gortinsky cc: Jacqui Kolarik , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Free Tibet-not rave related In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, My computer tells me that on Wed, 8 May 1996, Jacqui Kolarik asked: > > > I recently bought tickets for Saturday and Sunday shows. I must admit, mainly > > because of the music. This may sound like an ignorant question, especially > > being from a Buddhist family, but what does "Free Tibet" really mean? Also, > > does anybody know how much of my hard earned $56 dollars will actually be used > > to help and what kind of help is needed? I thought it was a valid question to > > this group because there are so many enlightened people on this list. ...and Dmitri K. Gortinsky responded: > as far as i know tibet is 'part' of china and under chinas laws...tibet > is currently trying to become autonomous from china. the money will > probably go to milrepea (sp?) an organization started or helped by adam > youch aka mca ....at the end of the b-boys video, sabatoge, their is a > small piece on milrepea (sp?) Tibet was an independent country during the first half of this century. Following the communist takeover of China in 1949, China invaded Tibet the next year in 1950, and has controlled the country ever since, claiming it is part of China. Amnesty International and other human rights groups have condemned Chinese human rights abuses against the people of Tibet. An Associated Press article in the Chronicle (5/30/95) states: "China has imprisoned and often tortured hundreds of Tibetan independence supporters during the past two years, including children, Amnesty International said in a report to be released today." The article also relates: "In violation of both Chinese and international law, children have been reportedly held incommunicado, denied trials, beaten, made to do heavy labor with adults, and subjected to electric shocks," Amnesty International reported. It cited the case of a 12-year-old girl from the Tibetan capital of Lhasa who lost the use of an arm and a leg after being beaten with electric batons and forced to work digging excrement and loading it onto trucks." I don't know anything about the "Free Tibet" event, or where the money would go, but I think the situation in Tibet pretty much speaks for itself as far as the legitimacy of Tibetans' desires for independence are concerned. <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 16:31:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA08405; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:31:05 -0700 Received: from elaine19.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA08373; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:30:59 -0700 Received: (from senator@localhost) by elaine19.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA08898; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:30:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Cassandra Ann Thomas To: "Tim (Knucklehead)" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Anyone Up for a Techno Moshpit? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960508184941.006771c8@email.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 May 1996, Tim (Knucklehead) wrote: > At 11:25 AM 5/8/96 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Question: Has anyone ever seen or participated in a slam/mosh pit at a > >rave? > > Wow! I had to sit and think on that. I personally wouldn't want anyone > slamming into me. I do think that having hundreds of hands and fingers > moving your whole body everywhere might feel kinda cool if you were > indulging that night. But If I was really into the music I don't think I'd > like to have someone over my head and holding them. I personaly don't think > a slam/mosh pit has a place at a rave. > > Tim (knucklehead) > > At a small rave that I was at, there formed a mosh pit. The slamming becuase people were indulging that nhight turned more into a hard touch fest and it was intense. i enjoyed it except that after a while a couple of people started getting very agressive as the night worn on becuse they were getting to wound up in a vibe that was based on agression. the movements people were making to each other were by nature of the pit intrusive and that built up a very weird vibe that was not very loving but instead almost led to a couple of fights (i must qualify that there were two groups of people there that knew each other a long time and did not normally get along). I personally did not like a pit at a rave; i'd rather go to another type of concert where agressionwas expected to be the vibe and the pit the environment to let it out. A rave to me is not about that vibe. Cassandra From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 16:49:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA10267; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:49:35 -0700 Received: from mail2.fw-sj.sony.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10252; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:49:31 -0700 Received: by mail2.fw-sj.sony.com id QAA15429; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail2.sjc.in.sel.sony.com id QAA02558; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.ssi.sony.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA831599342; Wed, 08 May 96 16:48:07 PST Date: Wed, 08 May 96 16:48:07 PST From: "Jacqui Kolarik" Encoding: 35 Text Message-Id: <9604088315.AA831599342@ccgate.ssi.sony.com> To: Reagan Reid Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re[2]: Free Tibet-not rave related Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Saturday, June 15th: Beastie Boys, The Smashing Pumpkins, A Tribe Called Quest, John Lee Hooker, Hugh Masekela, Foo Fighters, Biz Markie, Pavement, Cibo Matto, Richie Havens, Chaksam-Pa Sunday, June 16th (my b-day!) : Red Hot Chili Peppers, Fugees, Bjork, Skatalites, Rage Against The Machine, De La Soul, Beck (solo), Sonic Youth, Yoko Ono/IMA, Buddy Guy, Chaksam-Pa. I also see that there is an info line 1-888-MILAREPA and a web site at http:// www.milarepa.org. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Free Tibet-not rave related From: Reagan Reid at Internet Date: 5/8/96 3:54 PM Also another question- who will be performing there? Reagan On Wed, 8 May 1996, Jacqui Kolarik wrote: > I recently bought tickets for Saturday and Sunday shows. I must admit, mainly > because of the music. This may sound like an ignorant question, especially > being from a Buddhist family, but what does "Free Tibet" really mean? Also, > does anybody know how much of my hard earned $56 dollars will actually be used > to help and what kind of help is needed? I thought it was a valid question to > this group because there are so many enlightened people on this list. > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 16:52:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA10523; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:52:44 -0700 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10516; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:52:41 -0700 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA17803; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: SteveOSac@aol.com cc: ctd-zine@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: SFR laminates/Cabin Trips In-Reply-To: <960507190050_486312445@emout12.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear StevO, If you want a new SFR laminate, go for it! I think some new ones would be neat too. I don't see any reason we need a standard design, I think it would be fun if there were many different designs. I've thought of the idea before myself. I doubt that Vince consulted a bunch of people before making up the current one, he probably just felt creative and decided it would be a cool thing to do. But that's just my guess. A laminate incorporating a smile might be neat, since one rarely sees a plastic smile on a raver. ;) P.S. - I'm bummed there was another cabin trip I couldn't make... I want to go! Yosemite sounds fun too... if you're organizing anything else Steve, count me interested! Groovily yours, <<< Starchild >>> On Tue, 7 May 1996 SteveOSac@aol.com wrote: > I can't control myself, yes I love my laminate and wear it proudly, but I > can't tell ya'll how many nightsI've sat up dreaming about a new sfr laminate > design!! I am all for the idea, who do we talk to?? As far as diversity of > designs, well, yes, but, the idea is to assist in recognition, in turn, to > encourage communication among us. Maybe a couple designs, but they would > need some obviously recognizable element. Let's gather more input. I know > some people might think we're nuts here, but dont' loose faith "VIVA LA NEW > LOGO!" > Steveo > Independent Graphics > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 16:54:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA10960; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:54:46 -0700 Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10955; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:54:43 -0700 Received: from [206.80.8.235] (worm-43.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.235]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10341 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:56:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: fritz@mailhost.hooked.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:48:04 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: fritz@hooked.net (Greg-n-Cindy) Subject: Pulp Fiction Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>From carter@tab.com Mon May 6 23:25:13 1996 >Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:20:45 -0500 >X-Sender: carter@tab.com (Unverified) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: (Recipient list suppressed) >From: carter@tab.com (J. Carter Vincent, III) >Subject: Pulp Fiction > >Hi Folks, > >Just a quick request. A friend here in Austin is a remarkable artist, and >he is getting ready to enter a painting contest, the theme being, quite >simply, Pulp Fiction. We are working on figuring out what people's >perceptions of "Pulp Fiction" are, and what visual images this phrase >brings to mind. If you feel like humoring me and helping an artist, please >give me your impressions/ideas ASAP. > >Muchas Gracias... > > >J. Carter Vincent, III >Hacienda La Minita >2901 Barton Skyway #2807 >Austin, TX 78746 >Work: 512-347-0232 >Home: 512-347-0242 > Peace & positivity, GnC From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 17:05:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA12045; Wed, 8 May 1996 17:05:22 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA12038; Wed, 8 May 1996 17:05:19 -0700 Received: from [128.32.91.95] (mmf25.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.95]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12729 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 17:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:03:45 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) Subject: Harmony Review #1001 :) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone have the patience for another Harmony review? ;) I'm flooded with finals and papers right now, this is my first time checking mail since ** LAST WEEK! ** (tough to break a daily habit!), and last week I had told myself, no way, you have to be responsible, no Harmony for you! But 3 am Friday rolled around, and instead of sleeping soundly with my head on an open textbook, where did I find myself? On a dancefloor in the middle of a crowd of happy people, jumping up and down, waving glow sticks in the air! Now, how did that happen? First time at the Deli. The limitations of the space are obvious, but props to Harmony for transforming a deli/bar with attitude into a big cuddly lovepit! Funny moment: the security guard at the door telling me, "I have to check your backpack!", looking for, oh, guns, knives, drugs (ha, he shoulda looked in my shoe), opening it and exclaiming in utter surprise, "oranges?!" :) :) The owners looked a little perplexed at the whole scene as well. They were probably wondering, how come no-one's buying alcohol??! The decorations were BEAUTIFUL, the sound was awesome, the size of the crowd was perfect (hope Harmony didn't lose money on this one). THANK YOU HARMONY! I brought a newbie - a sweet, open, friendly Deadhead - and spent the night leading him by the hand, showing him what I see. We danced with happy people, we drew with markers, we ate oranges, we thrust our hands into the best head of hair at the party (the guy with huge, bleached, teased-out afro - no, it wasn't a wig!!), we banged on drums, we hugged people, we got adorned with stickers. Someone placed one on him that read "non-returnable," and he turned to me and said, "Non-returnable! There's no going back now!!" And I smiled and told him that at a first rave someone either gets it or they don't, and you can tell when someone gets it because they will turn to you and say something that makes it obvious, and that his statement definitely qualified! My one regret, which is my usual regret, is that I didn't spend more time with people, especially all of you! Somehow, at parties, my capacity for speech leaves me, my memory deserts me, and I unconsciously absorb hours and hours by mainly dancing. I haven't been much of a chill-room person. The night always whizzes by in a haze, I meet people whose names dissolve into a blur, and others I mean to spend time with somehow doesn't happen. I see by the reviews that I missed many toys and people! :( But the reviews teach me, again, how a rave is all WHAT YOU MAKE IT. It is what you bring to it - a lesson for life. Everyone who posted a review created their own amazing experience through their positive energy, their contribution, their creativity, toys, fruit, presents, their friendliness. The rave is merely a unique atmosphere where the effect of your energy will be immediately apparent. In the "real world" it is difficult to see the connection between your attitude and your experience, but the rave provides a testing ground where what you put out will be returned instantaneously, a thousand-fold. Immediate Karma. Proof that consciousness becomes reality, that love and joy and happiness are manifested first from our own hearts, if we choose to create it. :) All of you proved that to me again! I love all of you happy ravers!! In answer to some of you, yes, my raverboy was there. He is easy to spot. Look for a tall guy with a big silly grin and a jester hat, bouncing up and down. :) Am disappearing now for a week...will re-emerge to seriously get down this summer!! Good-bye for now. Love, Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 19:14:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA24156; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:14:38 -0700 Received: from ucmsj.vatech.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA24108; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:14:27 -0700 From: tim744@silicon.email.net Received: (from mm@localhost) by ucmsj.vatech.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA13909 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:14:18 -0700 Received: by silicon.email.net (ucm/3.1) id AA13702.000; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:14:17 PDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:14:17 PDT Subject: Hard Copy story on Raves Message-Id: <9605081914.S345489059@silicon.email.net> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone have any opinions on this one? Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 19:16:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA24372; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:16:09 -0700 Received: from libvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA24365; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:16:04 -0700 Received: from SONOMA.EDU by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01I4H2OTWJO0QT7KOB@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 08 May 1996 19:15:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 19:15:59 -0800 (PST) From: JONAS THE ESKIMO BOY Subject: Hard Copy report on raves!!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I4H2OTY5J6QT7KOB@SONOMA.EDU> X-VMS-To: SMTP%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Whoa people. Just saw the worst report on the "drugfilled" and "new" teen attraction...outdoor raves. First of all, hearing someone talking about outdoor raves as something new pissed me off, since that's how it all started. At least in Europe. And since when is teens taking drugs and getting drunk something that's specific to raves? That happens every day in the dorms at my lovely educational facility. ;) But then again, this was Hard Copy, what was I to expect. It's just sad. reeeespect, jonas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 19:18:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA24633; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:18:38 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA24619; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:18:31 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0uHLJD-0001wWC; Wed, 8 May 96 19:18 PDT Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: nw-raves@hyperreal.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: (NRR) how about that tim leary?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk just found out that Timothy Leary is termially ill ... and so he has planned to commit suicide LIVE on the internet. I don't care how big an icon he is, this to me seems to be in somewhat poor taste, to say the least. It's all fine and good to want to take control of your own demise if you'd otherwise end up a bed-and-painridden vegetable, but to broadcast it??? sorry, just had to rant a little. and i'm interested in other folks comments. believe me, if i had his email address handy i'd rant to him too :) k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 19:24:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA25176; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:24:53 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA25168; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:24:50 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA00837; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:24:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Ha!!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear all, When someone earlier today had said that there was going to be a segmet about raves on 'Hard Copy' tonight, I just had to tune in. They focused on the desert raves of SoCal. A home movie camera showed some well! you guessed it ravers. They went on to describe these parties in words like out of control, booze orgies; asking where are the parents. They basically compaired this "new" thing to Woodstock, where the drug of choice is nitrous. Oh my God, I was ROTFL. Did anyone else cath this report? When I see these sad reports it makes me appreciate the rave scene even more because I know what the real story is and what truly goes on at "those kind of parties". Just my $0.02 Reagan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 19:27:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA25367; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:27:13 -0700 Received: from netcom13.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA25333; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:27:02 -0700 Received: (from ephedra@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id TAA23268; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:25:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:25:55 -0700 From: ephedra@netcom.com (ephedrina) Message-Id: <199605090225.TAA23268@netcom13.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfravers) Subject: NON RAVE-RELATED: Economist Ecstasy Article (fwd) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BETTER THAN WELL The Economist, April 6th 1996 Society's moral confusion over drugs is neatly illustrated by its differing reactions to Prozac and ecstasy Every week, according to the most conservative estimates, half a million Britons take a pill to make them happy. This pill was originally developed as an appetite suppressor. Now it is an adjunct to partying. In America, some 5m people regularly take a different sort of pill. This one was developed as an anti-depressant. Now it is widely used as a chemical accessory by those who think it is unfair that they should ever feel low. The British users are breaking their country's law. The Americans are not. Which raises an important question. If it is not acceptable to take a drug with the awkward name of 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (better known as MDMA, and even better known as ecstasy) to make you feel happy when you just want to have fun, why is it acceptable to take the anti-depressant fluoxetine (better known as Prozac) to make you feel happy if you are not actually clinically depressed? When Prozac -- made by Eli Lilly, an American pharmaceutical firm -- came on the market in 1987, it was halied as a "wonder-drug." Unlike previous anti-depressants, it appears to have no serious (and few trivial) side effects. Its sales have soared. They are expected to hit $4 billion a year by 2000, according to analysts at Lehman Brothers, an American investment bank. Ecstasy is older. It was developed in 1914 and became popular in the 1970s as an adjunct to psychotherapy because of its ability to reduce anxiety and facilitate communication. German marriage-guidance counsellors regularly recommended it. It, too, is good business. A tablet can cost as little as 3.50 pounds ($5) to make and sells on the streets for around 15 pounds. This suggests that the British market alone is worth well over 300m pounds a year. Both drugs affect the level of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the brain that is thought to influence sleep, appetite, aggression and mood. Neurotransmitters are chemicals that carry messages between nerve cells. They are secreted by one cell and picked up by receptor proteins on the surface of a neighbor. Once the message has been delivered, a neurotransmitter is either destroyed or sucked back into the cell the made it -- a process known as re-uptake. Both Prozac and ecstasy work by inhibiting the re-uptake of serotonin. This means that the messenger molecules hang around in the gap between the cells and the message gets amplified. Ecstasy, in addition to blocking re-uptake, causes a surge of serotonin to be released into the gap -- so that not only is it not removed, but there is more of it there in the first place. Since clinical depression seems to be associated with a lack of serotonin at certain receptor sites (extremely low levels of serotonin have been found, for instance, in some suicides), the idea of using serotonin re-uptake inhibitors as anti-depressants has been popular for some time. So there are some parallels. But there is also an important difference between the drugs -- one which might be thought to justify banning one but not the other. Though it has been accused of causing violence in rare cases (the "Prozac defense" was once fashionable among lawyers, but 65 consecutive convictions have dampened their enthusiasm) Prozac does not seem to harm its users. Very occasionally, ecstasy (or, more particularly, dehydration associated with its use) kills. This does not, however, seem to have been the reason why MDMA was actually proscribed. In 1971, when the drug was banned in Britain, this problem was almost unknown. Things had not changed much by 1985, when the drug was first scheduled in America. This is hardly surprising. Death is rare -- it occurs in only one per 3 1/2m uses. Fatal dehydration generally happens in a hot environment. And it is preventable by drinking a judicious, though not excessive, amount of water (too much can kill you, too). The formal reason for the drug's proscription was fear of neurotoxicity -- that it might cause a persistent drop in serotonin levels in the brain. But America's Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), instead of placing it in schedule three, which would have allowed continued medical use, put it in schedule one -- denying it even to doctors. Better living through chemistry The neurotoxic effects of MDMA are real. Regular users may suffer a drop of a third in the level of serotonin-derived chemicals in the fluid of their spinal cords, according to research by George Ricaurte, a neurologist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. But such effects do not appear to be very troubling -- at least not in the doses that people actually use. Slightly reduced sleep, less impulsive behaviour and less hostility are the main symptoms. And other drugs which are neurotoxic in laboratory experiments do not seem to cause difficulties in the outside world. Fenfluramine, another appetite surppressor, has been in use for 25 years and been taken by around 50m people without any sign of a problem. The decision to put MDMA into schedule one, therefore, seems odd. It came despite the opinion of Francis Young, a federal judge who was asked to review the evidence, that it should have gone in schedule three. The explanation seems tobe that the mid-1980s also saw MDMA's recreational use change from small groups of people taking it in private, to large groups of people taking it in public. Ecstasy was being born and the DEA wished to strangle it. The history of Prozac casts the propriety of the ban in sharp relief. Strictly, America's Food and Drug Administration recognises Prozac as suitable for the treatment only of depression and obsessive-compulsive disorder. In practice it is being prescribed (quite legally, if warnings are given) for panic disorders, premenstrual tension, premature ejaculation and chronic back-pain. But, increasingly, people are being prescribed it simply because they want it. And those who are unable to find a friendly doctor to fill in a prescription are turning to the black market. Peter Kramer, a psychiatrist at Brown University, in Provdence, Rhode Island, says Prozac users feel "better than well" -- a sentiment no doubt echoed by many a user of ecstasy. As Dr. Kramer puts it in his book "Listening to Prozac," "until the advent of Prozac most ethical questions involving psychotherapeutic drugs turned on clinical trade-offs." But because Prozac has proved so safe, it is much more widely prescribed than previous anti-depressants. The question is whether a line can be drawn between therapeutic and non-therapeutic use of the drug. And if it can be, should it be? There are two ways of dealing with this question. One is to duck it. Some doctors argue (with a certain circular logic) that if something is treatable with an anti-depressant then it must, by definition, be depression. The drug is then restoring a state which would "naturally" exist if the person were well. So, the argument goes, unlike ecstasy (where the act of taking the drug provides immediate pleasure) Prozac does not actually create pleasure. In the words of a spokesman for Eli Lilly, the drug does not make people into super-people. The other way of answering the question is to admit that Prozac, like ecstasy, is often used recreationally, to enhance pleasure, rather than to treat depression -- and, if this is not approved of, to ban its use in these cases. But why ban the recreational use of drugs? The motive often seems to be what Dr. Kramer refers to as "pharmacological Calvinism." The use of drugs for fun rather than therapy is widely disapproved of. There is, too, a feeling that doctors -- who, it is to be hoped, know what they are doing -- should be in charge of the process of giving drugs out. But, in that case, why not let doctors give out MDMA as well? There is also a belief that, at least with mental problems, behavioural therapy is morally superior to chemotherapy. But the two are intimately linked. Eric Hollander, of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine, in New York, for example, recently showed that treating obsessive-compulsive disorder with drugs produced the same changes in the activity of patients' brains -- uncoupling the action of four groups of nerves that are unhealthily locked together -- as threating them with psychotherapy. It hardly seems that one method is morally inferior just because it is easier. Nor does it seem reasonable to stop people taking drugs to achieve easily an effect which might be won in other ways with difficulty. Good information about the risks and benefits, and proper supervision of manufacture, are always important (and are a good argument for legalising what people clearly want). But given these, it is not clear that pills should always be popped under a doctor's supervision. So, when Calvinists ask if people taking Prozac to eliminate elements of their personalities, such as shyness, is so very far removed from the recreational use of ecstasy, the answer appears to be "no." But what is wrong with that? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 19:30:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA25725; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:30:11 -0700 Received: from cc02du.unity.ncsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA25720; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:30:08 -0700 Received: by cc02du.unity.ncsu.edu (8.6.11/UC06jan95) id WAA09330; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:30:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199605090230.WAA09330@cc02du.unity.ncsu.edu> Subject: Summer sublets in SF To: sfraves@squishy.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:30:08 -0400 (EDT) From: john rainbow X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24/POP] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 766 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya folks! I and my SO are in SF for the summer. We are looking for a summer sublet. ASAP!!!!!!! It would be super cool if you could help us out...please tell me about all the cool places you know of... later -john ______ \ .... -|- --- Squishy: Intelligent Fun(k) --- --- ---\ .... //// \|/ *raleigh* boston sf \\\\ //// john john_humphrey@ncsu.edu 919 617 415 \\\\ //// rainbow 859 499 566 \\\\ //// humphrey john supports pgp 2604 1925 0863 \\\\ \|/ ext 4 \|/ * http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/users/h/humphrey/squishy/rainbow.html * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 19:36:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA26210; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:36:55 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA26197; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:36:48 -0700 Received: from [205.134.228.86] (ppp086-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.86]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id TAA14689 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 19:36:47 -0700 X-Sender: sddpw@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:37:17 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: sddpw@sirius.com (Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works) Subject: Reply to Hardcopy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Would anyone think it a good idea to respond to that HardCopy segment formally? I'm sure they have an e-mail address. But then again, is it worth it? It's not like they're going to turn around and go, "By the way, we we're all wrong on our rave report. It's all the fault of asshole cops that these parties must go to great lengths to stay underground. Oh yeah, and also, we blew the whole thing completely out of proportion and were totally irresponsible in not presenting anything positive."" I'll hold my breath on that one. Isn't it amazing how they NEVER can seem to find anyone articulate! I mean, from the postings, it seems that people here are quite an intelligent bunch. Hardcopy musta saw the laminates and STEERED CLEAR. "Watch out, THEY look intelligent. We can't have them on our show." P.S. - you'll forever be my friend if you can tell me what that song was that they kept on catching in the background. I LURV IT!!! peace....arkay From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:00:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA28244; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:00:32 -0700 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA28232; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:00:21 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id UAA03259; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:00:02 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199605090300.UAA03259@netcom15.netcom.com> Subject: Mail Order Glow Sticks To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:00:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1313 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [sfraves @hyperreal.com] Since glowsticks are a reoccuring topic here on SFRaves , I thought folks would be interested in an item in a catalog I got in the mail today. 6" Cyalume Lightsticks , glows at max intensity for 1/2 hour , dims after 1/2 hour. Colors Red, Yellow, and White for $1.49 each, 10 for $10.00 , and 100 for $80.00 . Stock #G7820 : Red Stock #G7821 : Yellow Stock #G7822 : White 6" Blue Lightsticks last 8 hours (!) , prices are $2.00 each, 10 for $15.00 , and 100 for $120.00. Stock #G7823 : Blue or, 4 Reds, 4 Yellows, 1 White, and 1 Blue for $12.00. Stock #G7824 : 10 pack mixed colors This was in the 1996 Summer Catalog (#228) of The Electronic Goldmine P.O. Box 5408 Scottsdale, AZ 85261 1-800-445-0697 : Toll Free Order Line $5 minimum for shipping , minimum order $10.00 plus shipping I've bought stuff from these guys before, they've been OK to me. They specialize in used , overstock, surplus, and discontinued electronic components ( like Maverick missile gyros , all kinds of LEDs, electronic drumsticks, novelty sound modules ) and electronic kits ( color organs, strobes, light sensitive sound generators, etc. ). Those of you who are gadget minded might want to order their catalog ( $1 each ). Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:08:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA29290; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:08:39 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA29283; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:08:37 -0700 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id UAA16694; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:07:11 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id UAA13504; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:07:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Anyone Up for a Techno Moshpit? To: Cassandra Ann Thomas cc: "Tim (Knucklehead)" , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 8 May 1996, Tim (Knucklehead) wrote: > > > At 11:25 AM 5/8/96 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > >Question: Has anyone ever seen or participated in a slam/mosh pit at a > > >rave? > Hi! I was involved with some underground parties in Santa Cruz, (at the ol' train station) from Jan. '95 to Sept. '95. The one time I saw anything remotely like moshing was a circle of men (5-6) around this women on the dance floor (ages in the late 20's). She was kinda twirling with her eyes half closed and hands up and just sorta bouncing off the men surronding her. It was a very gentle dance yet highly charged with eroticism. Ran @ Dionysus Dreams *(" I like the rush hour, 'cause I like the rush. The pushing of the people. I like it all so much. Such a mass of motion. Do not know where it goes. I move with the movement and... I have the touch.) / -=*=-/ ~ * Peter Gabriel- "I Have The Touch." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:13:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA29726; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:13:11 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA29718; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:13:05 -0700 Received: from (rlunatic@sjx-ca16-08.ix.netcom.com [199.35.223.136]) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA20127 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:08:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:08:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199605090308.UAA20127@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong) Subject: Smarties 1 year To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, I just wanted to know if any of ya'll are going to Smarties?! Lemme know.. I'm going! Add your name to the list!!!! Adam R.Lunatic a list o' people.. 1)R.Lunatic From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:13:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA29858; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:13:46 -0700 Received: from wolfe.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA29819; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:13:42 -0700 Received: from [204.157.98.253] (sea-ts3-p71.wolfenet.com [204.157.98.253]) by wolfe.net (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id UAA10553 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:20:08 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: brianlyo@wolfe.net (Brian Lyons) Subject: any typographers out there? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If anyone knows the listserve adress of graphic design/typography bulletin board, please mail me with it. Thank you, brian. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:20:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA00668; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:20:15 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA00660; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:20:12 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id UAA10463; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605090319.UAA10463@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: Hard Copy story on Raves To: tim744@silicon.email.net Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9605081914.S345489059@silicon.email.net> from "tim744@silicon.email.net" at May 8, 96 07:14:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Anyone have any opinions on this one? Well, of course this was all filmed at Dune, a socal-raves sponsored event, so of course socal raves is going crazy over it. If you want, I can forward these messages to sfraves. Anyone object? -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:25:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA01149; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:25:40 -0700 Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA01121; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:25:33 -0700 Received: from unknown (crl6.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA09262 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 8 May 1996 20:21:05 -0700 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Ha!!!! Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 03:20:48 GMT Message-Id: <319163cb.165884419@mail.crl.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hmmm, I seem to remember reading somewhere a while back that the promoter actually INVITED Hard Copy to the party?!? Anyone else remember this? I didn't see it, I would like to see more open-minded reporting like the excellent report on Ch. 7 last Sunday about the Cannabis Buyers Club. David On Wed, 8 May 1996 19:24:47 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > When someone earlier today had said that there was going >to be a segmet about raves on 'Hard Copy' tonight, I just had to tune in. >They focused on the desert raves of SoCal. A home movie camera showed >some well! you guessed it ravers. They went on to describe these parties >in words like out of control, booze orgies; asking where are the parents. >They basically compaired this "new" thing to Woodstock, where the drug of >choice is nitrous. > Oh my God, I was ROTFL. Did anyone else cath this report? When I see >these sad reports it makes me appreciate the rave scene even more because >I know what the real story is and what truly goes on at "those kind of >parties". > Just my $0.02 > Reagan > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ This website is not yet rated. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:35:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA02220; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:35:09 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA02197; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:35:03 -0700 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id UAA19949; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:35:03 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id UAA19891; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:35:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:35:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: (NRR) how about that tim leary?? To: Karen Hardie cc: nw-raves@hyperreal.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 May 1996, Karen Hardie wrote: > just found out that Timothy Leary is termially ill ... and so he has > planned to commit suicide LIVE on the internet. I don't care how big an > icon he is, this to me seems to be in somewhat poor taste, to say the > least. It's all fine and good to want to take control of your own demise > if you'd otherwise end up a bed-and-painridden vegetable, but to broadcast > it??? > > sorry, just had to rant a little. and i'm interested in other folks > comments. believe me, if i had his email address handy i'd rant to him > too :) > > k > > Hi! I think this event of Leary's is important and rightous. There has always been an issue of who controls our lives. Ourselves, our government, our peers and socity. I think that we our moving, as a world society, towards self control rather than externally imposed control. There are those who resist this and those who support this movement (albeit this support/nonsupport is usually unconcious). I believe (in Peter Pan ;) ) that a society of self controlled people is desirable. I also feel that this personal control should include the choosing of ones time and method of death. Granted that many people in our world can not make this decision responsibly. This only points out the need to educate people in taking responsibility for their lives IN TOTALITY. In other words, looking at not only our lives but how our lives affect the enviroment we share with others. I feel that by broadcasting his death, Tim Leary is highlighting this struggle from imposed control to self-control. In this light I feel his efforts are righteous. No one is being forced to tune into his death and I doubt that it will not be "showey". We shall see. Awaiting the flames Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (peace) / -=*=-/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:35:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA02273; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:35:34 -0700 Received: from odin.community.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA02263; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:35:31 -0700 Received: from n142.solano.community.net (n116.solano.community.net [140.174.119.116]) by odin.community.net with SMTP id UAA09274; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:32:09 -0700 Received: by n142.solano.community.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BB3D1D.881F01E0@n142.solano.community.net>; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:32:52 -0700 Message-ID: <01BB3D1D.881F01E0@n142.solano.community.net> From: b e n c h u n To: "'Karen Hardie'" Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: RE: (NRR) how about that tim leary?? Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:32:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, May 08, 1996 12:18 PM, Karen Hardie wrote: >just found out that Timothy Leary is termially ill ... and so he has=20 >planned to commit suicide LIVE on the internet. I don't care how big = an=20 >icon he is, this to me seems to be in somewhat poor taste, to say the=20 >least. It's all fine and good to want to take control of your own = demise=20 >if you'd otherwise end up a bed-and-painridden vegetable, but to = broadcast=20 >it??? this is not dissimilar to what Leary has been doing all of his adult = life: taking an issue that the public would like to avoid (in this case = it's assisted suicide, before it was psychadelics) and presenting it in = an unavoidable way. I think our society needs a few troublemakers like = this to keep us from avoiding complex issues. B E N C H U N -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- H O M E: W O R K: ben_chun@community.net webmaster@platform-horizons.com http://community.net/~ben_chun/ http://www.platform-horizons.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:40:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA02771; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:40:16 -0700 Received: from sco.sco.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA02764; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:40:12 -0700 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa08550; 8 May 96 20:22 PDT Received: from tehama.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa14182; 8 May 96 20:22 PDT Received: from andrewk.pdev.sco.COM by tehama.sco.com id aa18951; 8 May 96 20:18 PDT From: Andrew Knutsen To: eidrah@vanbc.wimsey.com, nw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: (NRR) how about that tim leary?? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: ScoMail 3.0.Bd MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9605082015.aa18990@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > sorry, just had to rant a little. and i'm interested in other folks > comments. believe me, if i had his email address handy i'd rant to him > too :) According to his home page at http://www.leary.com, its either tim@leary.com or timleary@earthlink.net. Its an interesting page... he includes a diary of drug intake. You can see how his health deteriorated when he used the fast stuff... and check out the recipe for Leary Biscuits. Andrew ----------------------------------------- Andrew Knutsen andrewk@sco.com Santa Cruz Operation (408) 427-7538 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:53:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA04492; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:53:44 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA04485; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:53:41 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA05888; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:53:39 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:53:38 -0700 (PDT) To: David Minuk cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Ha!!!! In-Reply-To: <319163cb.165884419@mail.crl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 May 1996, David Minuk wrote: > Hmmm, I seem to remember reading somewhere a while back that the > promoter actually INVITED Hard Copy to the party?!? Anyone else > remember this? I didn't see it, I would like to see more open-minded > reporting like the excellent report on Ch. 7 last Sunday about the > Cannabis Buyers Club. Dr. Dean Edell(sp?) probably has a lot to do with the good medical reporting you see on channel 7. He has a weekly show that is great. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:55:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA04666; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:55:30 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA04657; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:55:28 -0700 Received: from [128.32.205.207] (cc207.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.207]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA18448; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:55:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:55:28 -0800 To: "Jacqui Kolarik" From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Free Tibet-not rave related Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I recently bought tickets for Saturday and Sunday shows. I must admit, mainly >because of the music. This may sound like an ignorant question, especially >being from a Buddhist family, but what does "Free Tibet" really mean? Also, Feel free to correct me someone, because I feel like I'm talking directly out of my ass right now. Free Tibet means get China out of Tibet. There is a chinese occupation of Tibet that's been going on for a while, and the problem is that The Chinese government is not trying to coexist with Tibetans, they are slowly trying to push them out. The government of China encourages its citizens to move to Tibet and settle there. They get special treatment from the government, while Tibetan culture ad especially religion are being driven out. The Dalai Lama tours the world asking fo help because he is in exile... I think the Chinese tried to influence the choice of Lama and the real one was forced to leave because he isn't enough of a puppet for the Chinese. I have no idea where the ticket money is going. The most I've heard on that subject is that it's being donated to "several Bay Area Tibetan support organizations" or something like that. -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 664-1026 | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 20:59:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA05020; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:59:03 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA05014; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:59:01 -0700 Received: from [128.32.205.207] (cc207.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.207]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA13937; Wed, 8 May 1996 20:58:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:59:01 -0800 To: TKagnoff@aol.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Bass Instinct or Funky Techno Tribe w/Goldie and Doc Scott??? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I was just wondering where all the junglists are going this friday night. Are >you going to Bass Instinct or Funky Techno Tribe w/Goldie and Doc Scott or >BOTH??? I think i may just have to check out both. On the one hand it's not If you can't make both, go for BASS. I admit Goldie doesn't come around too often, but the BASS crew is local and they're trying to get some kind of jungle scene started in the Bay Area, so they really deserve some support. I think they're also handing out free tapes to the first ??? people who show up. -m. PS.. I mailed your tape today, TK. expect it *soon*. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 664-1026 | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 21:01:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA05240; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:01:29 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA05224; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:01:21 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA06421; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:01:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:01:09 -0700 (PDT) To: Karen Hardie cc: nw-raves@hyperreal.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: (NRR) how about that tim leary?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 May 1996, Karen Hardie wrote: > just found out that Timothy Leary is termially ill ... and so he has > planned to commit suicide LIVE on the internet. I don't care how big an > icon he is, this to me seems to be in somewhat poor taste, to say the > least. It's all fine and good to want to take control of your own demise > if you'd otherwise end up a bed-and-painridden vegetable, but to broadcast > it??? While it may be distasteful to you, no one is forcing anyone to watch it. > sorry, just had to rant a little. and i'm interested in other folks > comments. believe me, if i had his email address handy i'd rant to him > too :) I imagine that he has already received his share of rants. My guess this is all for shock value anyways. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 21:02:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA05403; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:02:31 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA05397; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:02:28 -0700 Received: from [128.32.205.207] (cc207.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.207]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA29976; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:02:28 -0800 To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Free Tibet-not rave related Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Isn't it great that China, #1 human rights violator in the world, gets #1? I disagree... They're up there somewhere though... >most-favored-nation trade status with the US? Makes me feel ashamed to be >a citizen... I think there's a shitload of countries with that status... It's more of a statement to NOT get MFN status when yer dealing with the US... If we took that away, there'd be an economic cold war. politics are ridiculous, huh? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 664-1026 | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 21:08:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA05980; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:08:39 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA05973; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:08:37 -0700 Received: from [128.32.205.207] (cc207.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.207]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA18136; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:08:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:08:36 -0800 To: tim744@silicon.email.net From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Hard Copy story on Raves Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Anyone have any opinions on this one? missed it.. what did they say? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | | | *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza* | | C O M I N ' A T C H A ! | | | | Michal Migurski | | (510) 664-1026 | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 21:10:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA06182; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:10:50 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA06177; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:10:47 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA07051; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:10:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:10:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 May 1996, Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works wrote: > Would anyone think it a good idea to respond to that HardCopy segment > formally? I'm sure they have an e-mail address. But then again, is it > worth it? It's not like they're going to turn around and go, "By the way, > we we're all wrong on our rave report. It's all the fault of asshole cops > that these parties must go to great lengths to stay underground. Oh yeah, > and also, we blew the whole thing completely out of proportion and were > totally irresponsible in not presenting anything positive."" It would be worth it if you were dealing with persons interested in objectivity. The staff of Hard Copy is not composed of such individuals. I am sure that these yellow "journalists"(my apologies to any real journalists for using this word to refer to such people) heard many of the real reasons for the parties and why they are held where they are. It is all irrelevant. Sensationalism sells ad spots. People watch this kind of crap just like they slow down to get a good look at the scene of an auto accident. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 21:38:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA08532; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:38:03 -0700 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA08527; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:38:01 -0700 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0uHNUK-000D3NC; Wed, 8 May 96 21:38 PDT Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: BSP "something free" To: Happy Ravers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all ya wonderful people! its about that time again, were planning to gather under the stars this friday nite for a free outdoor party! our djs for the evening will be dan barnes, ethan, LeLe, and tom. hope to see ya if i know ya, and hope to meet ya if i dont! the vmail is 415.525.5o52. lots and lots o good energy to ya! phil, carl, & tom ps. if anyone has questions or comments, youre welcome to call me at home: 4o8.275.1546 or email here. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 22:11:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA10752; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:11:34 -0700 Received: from dfw.dfw.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA10744; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:11:31 -0700 Received: by dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27709; Thu, 9 May 96 00:09:28 CDT Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:09:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Aleph One To: Reagan Reid Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Ha!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 May 1996, Reagan Reid wrote: > Dear all, > > When someone earlier today had said that there was going > to be a segmet about raves on 'Hard Copy' tonight, I just had to tune in. > They focused on the desert raves of SoCal. A home movie camera showed > some well! you guessed it ravers. They went on to describe these parties > in words like out of control, booze orgies; asking where are the parents. > They basically compaired this "new" thing to Woodstock, where the drug of > choice is nitrous. The sad part is that they filmed it at Dune. The promoters of Dune busted their asses to stop any nitrous from being sold. They emptied themselves several thanks and even took a dealers keys and told him he would not get them back unless they helped clean up any baloons the morning faster. *sight* > Oh my God, I was ROTFL. Did anyone else cath this report? When I see > these sad reports it makes me appreciate the rave scene even more because > I know what the real story is and what truly goes on at "those kind of > parties". > Just my $0.02 > Reagan > Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 22:35:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA12820; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:35:09 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA12814; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:35:07 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp052-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.52]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id WAA25920 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:35:07 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960509053532.00832ba0@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 22:35:32 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Be 99 Subject: Re: (NRR) how about that tim leary?? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >just found out that Timothy Leary is termially ill ... and so he has >planned to commit suicide LIVE on the internet. I don't care how big an >icon he is, this to me seems to be in somewhat poor taste, to say the >least. It's all fine and good to want to take control of your own demise >if you'd otherwise end up a bed-and-painridden vegetable, but to broadcast >it??? it's intended to cause a controversy. that's the point. we need someone to open up the issue of death to discussion, since it's totally repressed in our society. you said it above, it's about taking control of your own destiny. tim wants everyone to realize that they should take control of their lives (and deaths) instead of being passive about it. the most dramatic statement he can make is to broadcast his death. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 22:54:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA14213; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:54:29 -0700 Received: from elroy.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA14208; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:54:26 -0700 Received: by elroy.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id WAA27958; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:54:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Uncle Noah X-Sender: ez031733@elroy.ucdavis.edu To: Kyung Rok cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Anyone Up for a Techno Moshpit? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk When I was in Detroit this last summer, I went to see Lords of Acid in Pontiac... During their show the crowd "moshed" quite furvently. Someone even threw a shoe at the stage! This was not your typical SF raves crowd, though... --+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+--- "Uncle" Noah Apodaca - napodaca@ucdavis.edu Student, Disc Jockey, Resident Advisor I'M FINALLY ON THE WEB!! CHECK OUT MY ARTWORK AT: http://think.ucdavis.edu/current/apodaca.html From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 23:00:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA14552; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:00:24 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA14544; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:00:21 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA7041 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:59:53 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960509060403.00f0c208@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 23:04:03 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: PARTIES Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya; Don't ya hate when you try and throw a party and most of the people you invite blow you off, in others cancell or or not show up. If you never had this experience, it hurts. THX1138 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 23:06:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA14983; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:06:57 -0700 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA14978; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:06:54 -0700 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id XAA21167; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:06:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:08:54 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Hard Copy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Did anyone tape this? anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 23:16:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA15477; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:16:59 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA15469; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:16:56 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA05277 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:16:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:16:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199605090616.XAA05277@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Would anyone think it a good idea to respond to that HardCopy segment >formally? Well, I didn't find a URL for Hard Copy, but I did find the following, which lists URLs for just about any TV station that has a web page of any kind. Just FYI... http://www.tvnet.com/ S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 23:44:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA16805; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:44:46 -0700 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA16800; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:44:43 -0700 From: TKagnoff@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA15158; Thu, 9 May 1996 02:44:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:44:15 -0400 Message-ID: <960509024414_290341391@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Bass Instinct or Funky Techno Tribe w/Goldie and Doc Scott??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk free mix tapes to the first 80 people at BI From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 8 23:48:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA16958; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:48:06 -0700 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA16952; Wed, 8 May 1996 23:48:03 -0700 From: TKagnoff@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA15781 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 9 May 1996 02:47:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:47:35 -0400 Message-ID: <960509024733_290342230@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BI or FTT or Both Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The preliminary polls as to the junglists' destinations for friday night are: Bass Instinct: 6 Funky Tekno Tribe: 0 Both: 1 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 00:11:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA20583; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:11:56 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA20576; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:11:53 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp041-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.41]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id AAA00395 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:11:53 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960509071218.00822300@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 00:12:18 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Be 99 Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>Would anyone think it a good idea to respond to that HardCopy segment >>formally? well, before anyone goes off half-baked, i think we should compose a letter as a whole. points to be included could be: -refution (is that a word?) of the alcohol and nitrous issue. -an explaination of the principals behind raving. -an explaination of the effects of 'common' rave drugs and why they are used -how raving has positive effects on life outside raving, and why would they want to destroy something positive with negative press? -responsibility of the media -lots more. ideas? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 00:23:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA21065; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:23:21 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA21055; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:23:18 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp041-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.41]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id AAA00848 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:23:16 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960509072342.00840f74@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 00:23:42 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "I, 99" Subject: Re: NON RAVE-RELATED: Economist Ecstasy Article (fwd) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >an appetite suppressor. Now it is an adjunct to partying. In America, some 5m >people regularly take a different sort of pill. This one was developed as an >anti-depressant. Now it is widely used as a chemical accessory by those who >think it is unfair that they should ever feel low. but prozac doesn't help those who aren't "low". it only acts as a placebo in these cases. granted, many people are depressed and don't know it - possibly epidemic numbers, possibly not - but this doesn't change the fact that for many people it doesn't do anything. >When Prozac -- made by Eli Lilly, an American pharmaceutical firm -- came on >the market in 1987, it was halied as a "wonder-drug." Unlike previous >anti-depressants, it appears to have no serious (and few trivial) side >effects. Its sales have soared. They are expected to hit $4 billion a year by well, i can personally attest to unpublished (and not so trivial) side effects of prozac and other SRIs. however, a very interesting article and very thoughtfully written. thanks for posting it! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 00:26:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA21195; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:26:58 -0700 Received: from mail.ico.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA21189; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:26:56 -0700 Received: from starbase.starfishsoftware.com by mail.ico.net with SMTP (5.65/950621.1) id AA12649; Thu, 9 May 96 00:26:50 -0700 Message-Id: <9605090726.AA12649@mail.ico.net> Priority: urgent Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 01:24:00 -0700 From: Roy Feague Subject: RE: Hard Copy story on Raves To: sfraves , tim744 X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V3.50c)/MIME Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Listening to all the comments on Hard Copy, I get the impression they were really ill-informed. And I further get the impression that there's no group better-qualified to inform on this topic than present company. Any one else have the urge to try to contact the editors and give them the real poop? Maybe sign them on the list? Forward archived messages so they can get the real feel of what this is all about? If nobody here sets it straight, no one else on the planet is going to do it... -Roy ---------- From: tim744[SMTP:tim744@silicon.email.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 1996 7:45 PM To: sfraves Subject: Hard Copy story on Raves Anyone have any opinions on this one? Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 00:58:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA22958; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:58:46 -0700 Received: from elaine49.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA22953; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:58:44 -0700 Received: (from senator@localhost) by elaine49.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14159; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:58:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cassandra Ann Thomas To: Adam Luong cc: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Yosemite Cabin Trip! In-Reply-To: <199605080540.WAA23455@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yes, this is also a good weekend for me Cassandra On Tue, 7 May 1996, Adam Luong wrote: > You wrote: > > > >hello all- > > > >i would love to go on another trip with cool sfravers! i'm going to > >suggest, arbitrarily, the third weekend in june. that's the 21'st > thru 23'rd. > > > > > That'd be a good weekend for me.. =)~ > > > Adam > R.Lunatic > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 01:23:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA24360; Thu, 9 May 1996 01:23:13 -0700 Received: from elaine28.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA24355; Thu, 9 May 1996 01:23:11 -0700 Received: (from senator@localhost) by elaine28.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12380; Thu, 9 May 1996 01:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 01:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Cassandra Ann Thomas To: THX1138 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: PARTIES In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960509060403.00f0c208@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear THX1138: I have had that experiance with meetings and other types of things I have organized and it sucks. But know that it wasn't you.:) Just life and they probably had good reasons not to show. Love, Cassandra On Wed, 8 May 1996, THX1138 wrote: > Hiya; > > Don't ya hate when you try and throw a party and most of the people > you invite blow you off, in others cancell or or not show up. If you never > had this experience, it hurts. > > THX1138 > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 01:36:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA25036; Thu, 9 May 1996 01:36:08 -0700 Received: from mail.ico.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA25031; Thu, 9 May 1996 01:36:05 -0700 Received: from starbase.starfishsoftware.com by mail.ico.net with SMTP (5.65/950621.1) id AA13400; Thu, 9 May 96 01:36:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9605090836.AA13400@mail.ico.net> Priority: urgent Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:34:00 -0700 From: Roy Feague Subject: Yosemite Dates To: sfraves X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V3.50c)/MIME Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ooh, 6/21 to 6/23 is BAD for me, and a coupla other folks I know who might otherwise go... Count that as one NO vote for that date. -Roy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 02:14:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA01625; Thu, 9 May 1996 02:14:18 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA01617; Thu, 9 May 1996 02:14:13 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.50] (pm1-ppp50.well.com [206.15.64.50]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA03238; Thu, 9 May 1996 02:14:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199605090914.CAA03238@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:15:44 +1000 To: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Put me on the Yosemite list Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Also, put me on the list of those people who need rides. So it's late Wednesday evening and we ONLY GOT 3 people signed up as rave pool drivers. This is pathetic at best.... ONLY 3 people having cars and able to take additional riders to the parties this weekend? Out of how many on SFRaves? Someone said 900 people? Is that right? Something is very wrong here.... The Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 07:09:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA25732; Thu, 9 May 1996 07:09:00 -0700 Received: from hpbio1.Biologie.HU-Berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA25711; Thu, 9 May 1996 07:08:45 -0700 Received: by hpbio1.Biologie.HU-Berlin.de (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14982; Thu, 9 May 96 16:11:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:11:02 +0200 (MESZ) From: Ulrike Laitko Reply-To: Ulrike Laitko Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy/T.Leary To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 May 1996 blkadder wrote (about that hardcopy article on the rave scene) : > > Sensationalism sells ad spots. People watch this kind of crap just like > they slow down to get a good look at the scene of an auto accident. > ....or check out timothy leary comitting suicide on the internet. damn, can anybody enlighten me about the difference? don't get me wrong, i don't mind everybody doing what they are doing, only i think exposing your own death to an audience of millions, thus impliing everybody was *interested* in it, is, well, em, not really humble... ...not really *grand*... i dunno. i think it shows you're a *really* troubled person...anyway not the way i would want to do it...anyway it's certainly kinda interesting ...but again imagine how would you explain anybody or even yourself why you are watching it, or whatever you are supposed to do with it, maybe its some kind of interactive conference thingy... you know it's kinda dirty if you ask me. especially all you really clean and nice and pc people over there... you should hate that!! anyway i don't really understand why somebody has that urge to make themselves public. i stopped feeling that way since i was class speaker in 11th grade... believe me then i really got a kick out of it... i wouldn't respond a word to that article. i would just shut up and grin. god, i literally push myself to post on that list..... small little rabbits and daisy chains - ulrike ps. i must be doing something wrong, my posts don't show my address on the index like all the others but some line that says : To: sfraves@... instead. i don't really like that. i want to see my address there... boohoohooo... pps. thanks for your replies guys. **************************************************************************** we can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. the only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. o.wilde **************************************************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 07:35:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA27994; Thu, 9 May 1996 07:35:29 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA27987; Thu, 9 May 1996 07:35:23 -0700 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com (meclay@netcom15.netcom.com [192.100.81.128]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA27129 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 07:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from meclay@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id HAA00172; Thu, 9 May 1996 07:33:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael E. Clay" Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy To: Be 99 cc: sfraves In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960509071218.00822300@140.174.229.14> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Before wasting time in a reply to Hardcopy you might consider Do they even care ? I suspect that a show like that would only care that you watched at all - NOT whether you agree/disagree.... merely that they are getting through . Their goal is not to inform with TRUTH as much as it is to inform with entertainment ( truth is not really their objective )... All this IMHO of course ;-) HARDCOPY the show that cares about THE TRUTH and shows it... Now there's a slogan for the masses.... Mike meclay@netcom.com | Alone & ecstatic Mike Clay (415)572-8971 | A young rainbow learns to levitate. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 08:08:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA01616; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:08:06 -0700 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA01611; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:08:02 -0700 Received: (from larryc@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA01907; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:06:12 -0700 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199605091506.IAA01907@netcom10.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Hard Copy story on Raves To: tsheets@xanadu.cyborganic.net (Troy Sheets) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tim744@silicon.email.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199605090319.UAA10463@xanadu.cyborganic.net> from "Troy Sheets" at May 8, 96 08:19:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 629 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Recently , Troy offered to forward some socal posts about the HardCopy Dune smear/story: > > Well, of course this was all filmed at Dune, a socal-raves sponsored event, > so of course socal raves is going crazy over it. If you want, I can forward > these messages to sfraves. Anyone object? > > -troy > Maybe if you could just give us a taste of the main threads in the socal discussion - there's so much SFRaves mail already! But I would be interested in the opinions and reactions going around. Favorite quote from HardCopy: "And then the sun rises like a bloodshot eye! ... (ravers) climb dangerous steep rocks!" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 08:09:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA01738; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:09:57 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA01727; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:09:51 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA00448; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:08:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: Roy Feague cc: sfraves , tim744 Subject: RE: Hard Copy story on Raves In-Reply-To: <9605090726.AA12649@mail.ico.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Roy- I don't see bringing Hard Copy onto this list doing any good! Sorry if I sound too negative, but it would just create more negative stereotypes:(. I wouldn't consider these people compassionate or caring. If they got on this list they would probaly distort all the positive things that are said just to get another false story. Reagan On Thu, 9 May 1996, Roy Feague wrote: > > Listening to all the comments on Hard Copy, I get the impression they > were really ill-informed. And I further get the impression that there's > no group better-qualified to inform on this topic than present company. > Any one else have the urge to try to contact the editors and give them > the real poop? Maybe sign them on the list? Forward archived messages > so they can get the real feel of what this is all about? If nobody here > sets it straight, no one else on the planet is going to do it... > -Roy > > ---------- > From: tim744[SMTP:tim744@silicon.email.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 1996 7:45 PM > To: sfraves > Subject: Hard Copy story on Raves > > Anyone have any opinions on this one? > > > Tim (knucklehead) > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 08:40:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA04704; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:40:51 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA04696; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:40:49 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA01720; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:40:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:40:46 -0700 (PDT) To: Be 99 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960509071218.00822300@140.174.229.14> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 May 1996, Be 99 wrote: > >>Would anyone think it a good idea to respond to that HardCopy segment > >>formally? > well, before anyone goes off half-baked, i think we should compose a letter > as a whole. > > points to be included could be: > > -refution (is that a word?) of the alcohol and nitrous issue. > -an explaination of the principals behind raving. > -an explaination of the effects of 'common' rave drugs and why they are used > -how raving has positive effects on life outside raving, and why would they > want to destroy something positive with negative press? > -responsibility of the media > -lots more. ideas? Yes, don't waste your energy on a futile effort. Again, I am sure they had plenty of people telling them the postive aspects of raving, etc. etc. Have you ever been to a party that looks as fun as that, and not have had people comment on it, or explain to anyone asking what it is all about? THEY DON'T CARE. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 08:46:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA05251; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:46:02 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA05236; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:45:58 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA25070; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA12466; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:43:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:43:05 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Harmony Review #1001 :) To: Nancy cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 May 1996, Nancy wrote: > Anyone have the patience for another Harmony review? ;) > > I'm flooded with finals and papers right now, this is my first time > checking mail since ** LAST WEEK! ** (tough to break a daily habit!), and > last week I had told myself, no way, you have to be responsible, no Harmony > for you! > > But 3 am Friday rolled around, and instead of sleeping soundly with my head > on an open textbook, where did I find myself? On a dancefloor in the > middle of a crowd of happy people, jumping up and down, waving glow sticks > in the air! Now, how did that happen? > I knew I would see this silly girl's face at Harmony. Erase99 commented that Nancy wouldn't be coming and was kind of upset about it, but I *knew* she would be there. Keeping her away would be like keeping a magnet away from a paper clip--impossible. And the place to look for her is near the speaker.... Sure enough, both rang true. Talk about a tried and true raver.... I luv ya', Nancy!!! kaysee From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 08:50:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA06119; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:50:45 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA06098; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:50:42 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA11236; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA13343; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:47:08 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: (NRR) how about that tim leary?? To: Karen Hardie cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You can find him at leary.com on the web. There is a front page article in the SF Chronicle today about him having terminal cancer. It just talks about what he is doing with his last days. His new search for higher consciousness is Dying. He's calling it Hi-Tech Designer Dying. kaysee kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu .*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* On Wed, 8 May 1996, Karen Hardie wrote: > just found out that Timothy Leary is termially ill ... and so he has > planned to commit suicide LIVE on the internet. I don't care how big an > icon he is, this to me seems to be in somewhat poor taste, to say the > least. It's all fine and good to want to take control of your own demise > if you'd otherwise end up a bed-and-painridden vegetable, but to broadcast > it??? > > sorry, just had to rant a little. and i'm interested in other folks > comments. believe me, if i had his email address handy i'd rant to him > too :) > > k > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 09:08:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA07971; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:08:04 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA07934; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:07:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfogler@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) with SMTP id JAA25787; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:07:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) From: jess To: Anarch cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Hard Copy - packabowl anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I taped the Hard Copy segment and if anyone wants to see it just lemme know. I live really close to F8 so if you're on Haight street c'mon by. Does anybody want to go to Packabowl tonight??? ** jess ** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 09:09:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA08058; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:09:14 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA08051; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:09:11 -0700 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA02790; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:08:16 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:08:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Ulrike Laitko cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy/T.Leary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 May 1996, Ulrike Laitko wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 May 1996 blkadder wrote (about that hardcopy article on > the rave scene) : > > > > Sensationalism sells ad spots. People watch this kind of crap just like > > they slow down to get a good look at the scene of an auto accident. > > > > ....or check out timothy leary comitting suicide on the internet. > damn, can anybody enlighten me about the difference? I imagine this is Tim's last chance to shake things up, so he is taking the opportunity. The difference here, however small, is that this is being done as a statement. The family of 4 in the mangled station wagon aren't their of their own volition, nor are they attempting to somehow enlighten society by their actions. As to the reason somone would chose to watch it, well, that really depends on the individual. Ritualistic suicide has been part of many cultures, and it certainly wouldn't be fair to say that all those observing are there due solely to a macabre interest. > don't get me wrong, i don't mind everybody doing what they are doing, > only i think exposing your own death to an audience of millions, thus > impliing everybody was *interested* in it, is, well, em, not really humble... > ...not really *grand*... i dunno. i think it shows you're a *really* troubled > person...anyway not the way i would want to do it...anyway it's certainly > kinda interesting ...but again imagine how would you explain anybody or even > yourself why you are watching it, or whatever you are supposed to do with > it, maybe its some kind of interactive conference thingy... you know it's kinda > dirty if you ask me. > especially all you really clean and nice and pc people over there... you > should hate that!! I get a D- in pc. The one thing this will do is shove the issue of the right to choose the time and place of your own demise in a lot of people's faces which I believe is his point. Whether or not you choose to watch it becomes irrelevant as you have been motivated enough to speak about it, which means you are *thinking* about the issue. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 09:11:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA08339; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:11:15 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA08333; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:11:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfogler@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) with SMTP id JAA80564; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:11:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:11:11 -0700 (PDT) From: jess To: TKagnoff@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: BI or FTT or Both In-Reply-To: <960509024733_290342230@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Count me in for BI this Friday..... see ya there ** jess ** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 09:26:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA09764; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:26:00 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA09751; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:25:57 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA15622; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA21095; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:22:40 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Yosemite Dates To: Roy Feague cc: sfraves In-Reply-To: <9605090836.AA13400@mail.ico.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk PLEASE, PLEASE, *NOT* on the weekend of JUNE 15th. My best friend from high school is getting married (ack!) and I have to put on this green formal dress that I will *never* wear again and be a bride's maid. I want to go on this Yosemite shindig very much and that weekend would be awful. Just happy it's not me who's tying the knot :) kaysee On Thu, 9 May 1996, Roy Feague wrote: > > ooh, 6/21 to 6/23 is BAD for me, and a coupla other folks I know who > might otherwise go... Count that as one NO vote for that date. > -Roy > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 09:27:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA09862; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:27:12 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA09856; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:27:10 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA04621 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 May 1996 09:26:38 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA13216; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:27:01 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA06446; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:26:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:26:55 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sddpw@sirius.com (Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'd say let them remain clueless. We can be messengers of truth by word and example to the world at large... - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 09:44:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA11431; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:44:58 -0700 Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA11423; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:44:53 -0700 Received: from crl9.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA28733 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 9 May 1996 09:40:16 -0700 Received: by crl9.crl.com id AA24214 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Thu, 9 May 1996 09:39:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:39:35 -0700 (PDT) From: David Minuk To: Reagan Reid Cc: Roy Feague , sfraves , tim744 Subject: RE: Hard Copy story on Raves In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sounds to me that they found out about the event because they WERE on the So-cal list. David On Thu, 9 May 1996, Reagan Reid wrote: > > Roy- I don't see bringing Hard Copy onto this list doing any good! Sorry > if I sound too negative, but it would just create more negative > stereotypes:(. I wouldn't consider these people compassionate or caring. > If they got on this list they would probaly distort all the positive > things that are said just to get another false story. > Reagan > > > > On Thu, 9 May 1996, Roy Feague wrote: > > > > > Listening to all the comments on Hard Copy, I get the impression they > > were really ill-informed. And I further get the impression that there's > > no group better-qualified to inform on this topic than present company. > > Any one else have the urge to try to contact the editors and give them > > the real poop? Maybe sign them on the list? Forward archived messages > > so they can get the real feel of what this is all about? If nobody here > > sets it straight, no one else on the planet is going to do it... > > -Roy > > > > ---------- > > From: tim744[SMTP:tim744@silicon.email.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 1996 7:45 PM > > To: sfraves > > Subject: Hard Copy story on Raves > > > > Anyone have any opinions on this one? > > > > > > Tim (knucklehead) > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 09:51:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA11909; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:08 -0700 Received: from dfw.dfw.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA11899; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:05 -0700 Received: by dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29815; Thu, 9 May 96 11:49:18 CDT Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:49:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Aleph One To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Hard Copy (A Suggestion) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk As peple have pointed out calling, sending email, or taking to court Hard Copy wont do any good. For them its just another day at work. If you really whish to do something fight fire with fire. Get some film major from one of the raves lists to do a small documentary on raves and show it on public access tv and some film festivals, etc. I'am sure enough money can be collected for such thing from all the rave lists. Hey, Iam down for 50 bucks. Anyone up to the task? Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 09:51:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA11946; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:16 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA11923; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:11 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA17833; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA29845; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:48:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:48:13 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: NRR: The Godfather of Sou or do you want some real funk? To: Fred Heutte cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9605080227.ZM16310@well> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Listening to the really great jungle/d&b tracks, once again I've learned > the wisdom of the ascended master of funk, George Clinton: > Free your mind, and your ass will follow! > phred > do you wanna hear the original funkman himself? JAMES BROWN? JB will be in SF at the Maritime Music Hall on May 16th and 17th. Sorry to waste bandwith with non-rave related music, but seeing JB in concert is the ultimate (and you can't tell me his music hasn't had some influence on house/techno)!!! The last time I saw him was the best concert I've ever seen. And can that man generate vibe!!! Can you say sex machine? This man can move it and shake it like no other. As a resident JB fanatic, I highly reccomend seeing him live! I already have my tickets and you'll see me funkin' to the groove in the aisles!! "We got the funk, give up the funk..." "YOu can have Watergate, but give me some bucks and I'll be straight.." "Who in the funk do you think you are?" "Down D, funky D.." (can you name the tunes above? not all are JB licks. Come on' you funksters, you!!) terminally funky, kaysee From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 09:51:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA11995; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:31 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA11988; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:28 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id JAA28547; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:12 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199605090914.CAA03238@mh1.well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:07 -0800 To: crunch@well.com (John Draper) From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: Put me on the Yosemite list Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't know, but in my book, it's pretty damn rude to insult people who *you're* looking at for a favor! Don't get me wrong, I'm wholeheartedly in favor of car pooling, but this isn't about car pooling, it's about people without transportation getting rides, and while it's a great thing to help each other out, your sales pitch might be better if it's skewed slightly more toward the positive. ;^) You have three more people than were signed up last week, right?! Tony At 2:15 AM +1000 5/9/96, John Draper wrote: >Also, put me on the list of those people who need rides. So it's late >Wednesday evening and we ONLY GOT 3 people signed up as rave pool drivers. >This is pathetic at best.... ONLY 3 people having cars and able to take >additional riders to the parties this weekend? Out of how many on >SFRaves? Someone said 900 people? Is that right? Something is >very wrong here.... > >The Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 09:56:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA12524; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:56:13 -0700 Received: from vmar.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA12509; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:56:09 -0700 Received: from [157.22.240.192] by vmar.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Thu, 9 May 1996 10:00:04 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:53:03 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Vince Subject: B2B Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey do any of you wacky ravers want to get all dressed up and run (walk/crawl) in the Bay to Breakers with me ??? Vince Sunday May 19th info: http://www.sfo.com/~hulaman/bay2b.html From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 10:08:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA14124; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:08:11 -0700 Received: from alumnae.caltech.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA14118; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:08:08 -0700 Received: (from lenchang@localhost) by alumnae.caltech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA21455 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:05:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chinley L. Chang" Message-Id: <199605091705.KAA21455@alumnae.caltech.edu> Subject: Hardcopy Impressions To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:05:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So as I was watching this thing I was wondering what I would have thought had I not known anything about the rave scene and what it was about... I think thought number one would have been: "Wow, what a CRAZYFUN thing to do!" Thought number two would have been: "Man, what's up with the damn PACIFIERS?!?" Kids these days, I tell ya :) -Chin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 10:12:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15355; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:12:00 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA15332; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:11:52 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA07440 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 May 1996 10:11:23 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA18084 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:11:47 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA16602 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:11:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:11:44 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Sensationalism sells ad spots. People watch this kind of crap just like >they slow down to get a good look at the scene of an auto accident. > > Black Adder And this is what we need to remember. TV exists to advertize (push) products and services; the stuff that fits in between the ads exists to hold the audience's attention so that it sees the ads. In my family, TV existed solely for entertainment and education; commercial breaks were always kitchen/bathroom/get-Dad-another-beer breaks, and none of us cared much what was on the commercials (except for a few cool toy/game ads that appealed to us as kids...). Now, when I see TV (which is rare), I feel insulted by the commercials. I wonder if the advertisers care that they turn off a large portion of the viewing audience they're supposed to be enticing to buy their stuff... Socialism! We need some socialism around here! - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 10:34:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA17377; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:34:02 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA17358; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:33:59 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA08412 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 May 1996 10:33:17 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA20053; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:33:41 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21194; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:33:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:33:37 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Be 99 From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >points to be included could be: > >-refution (is that a word?) of the alcohol and nitrous issue. >-an explaination of the principals behind raving. >-an explaination of the effects of 'common' rave drugs and why they are used >-how raving has positive effects on life outside raving, and why would they >want to destroy something positive with negative press? >-responsibility of the media >-lots more. ideas? I doubt Hard Copy would take any of it seriously, or consider it worth adding into the commentary of their shows. That would smack of compassion, which apparently has little or no place on such a program. - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 10:34:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA17532; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:34:50 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA17524; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:34:47 -0700 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA03984 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:34:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:34:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199605091734.KAA03984@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Ride share X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Crunchman wrote: >Also, put me on the list of those people who need rides. So it's late >Wednesday evening and we ONLY GOT 3 people signed up as rave pool drivers. >This is pathetic at best.... ONLY 3 people having cars and able to take >additional riders to the parties this weekend? Out of how many on >SFRaves? Someone said 900 people? Is that right? Something is >very wrong here.... As someone who has been recently guilt-tripped about not giving a ride to someone I didn't really know and who lived 1.5 hours away from me, let me be the first to respond to this. I think the ride pool is a neat idea, but not one suited to me for the following reasons: 1. I'm not in the habit of giving people rides unless they're friends of mine. I occasionally make exceptions to this, but they are rare indeed. 2. I'm a rather private person. I don't like the idea of giving out my number to -- what was the number you quoted, 900? -- 900 people, about 870 of which I've never even met just so they can call me up out of the blue and beg a ride. 3. I usually go with a few friends and I simply don't have room in my car. I'm not saying the ride pool is a bad idea. For myself, though, if I want to give someone a ride, I'll write them a note or call them and invite them to go along with me somewhere. Usually, because I invite people I know and have had a chance to ok, the invitation is a standing one. My point is, there are many of us who already contribute to giving people rides to raves. Calling the low turn-out "pathetic" is out of line. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 10:39:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18031; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:39:14 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA17872; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:37:26 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA28247 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (datura@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA19027; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:12:12 -0700 From: Justin Cooper Message-Id: <199605091712.KAA19027@shellx.best.com> Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy/T.Leary To: blkadder@value.net Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "blkadder@value.net" at May 9, 96 09:08:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk blkadder@value.net once said > > Ritualistic suicide has been part of > many cultures, and it certainly wouldn't be fair to say that all those > observing are there due solely to a macabre interest. > not only is ritual suicide virtually unknown in our modern culture, but i'd say that it is also lacking any sort of dying/death ritual/rite as well.. sure there's the funeral with prayer etc, but that's all done after the fact. our society tends to just not deal with the reality that people die, but rather it groups the dying together in nursing homes and such, out of sight, out of mind. death and dying in america today is very taboo. which is, imo, why tim is choosing to broadcast his death. he always did like to shake up people's preconcieved notions of what XXX is. > I get a D- in pc. > > The one thing this will do is shove the issue of the right to choose the time > and place of your own demise in a lot of people's faces which I believe is > his point. Whether or not you choose to watch it becomes irrelevant as > you have been motivated enough to speak about it, which means you are > *thinking* about the issue. > > Black Adder > > that too :) justin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 10:41:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18450; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:41:47 -0700 Received: from imssc1.sc.intel.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18440; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:41:43 -0700 From: hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com Received: from cadev6.intel.com by imssc1.sc.intel.com (8.7.4/10.0i); Thu, 9 May 1996 17:41:13 GMT Received: from cad614.sc.intel.com by cadev6.intel.com with SMTP id AA04122 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 May 1996 10:40:42 -0700 Received: by cad614.sc.intel.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/ICES-RS6000) id AA25532; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:40:42 -0700 Message-Id: <9605091740.AA25532@cad614.sc.intel.com> Subject: packabowl age? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:40:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, does anyone know what the agelimit is for pack-a-bowl tonite ? And if someone does, would that someone please let me know what it is ?:) thanks much, -harsh hdeshma@scdt.intel.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 10:42:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18524; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:42:29 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA16890; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:31:33 -0700 Received: from ns.mauswerks.com (root@ns.mauswerks.com [204.152.97.2]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA28243 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.127.18.248] ([17.127.18.248]) by ns.mauswerks.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA16529; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:38:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199605091638.JAA16529@ns.mauswerks.com> Subject: Re: Hard Copy story on Raves Date: Thu, 9 May 96 10:09:02 -0700 From: Ms Phink To: "Troy Sheets" cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Well, of course this was all filmed at Dune, a socal-raves sponsored event, >so of course socal raves is going crazy over it. If you want, I can forward >these messages to sfraves. Anyone object? > >-troy Please, no! I get enough mail as it is, 60 messages this morning just from SFR. I don't have the time to read all the socal messages too. It's pretty crazy in here between the Hard Copy, Timothy Leary and Free Tibet stuff. But maybe you could make a list of those who want it and forward to them? I'm sure I know what their reaction is, they must be totally pissed. Let's just leave it at that... thanks, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 10:52:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA20249; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:52:32 -0700 Received: from mail2.fw-sj.sony.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA20240; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:52:29 -0700 Received: by mail2.fw-sj.sony.com id KAA24010; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail2.sjc.in.sel.sony.com id KAA26034; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.ssi.sony.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA831664322; Thu, 09 May 96 10:50:41 PST Date: Thu, 09 May 96 10:50:41 PST From: "Jacqui Kolarik" Encoding: 26 Text Message-Id: <9604098316.AA831664322@ccgate.ssi.sony.com> To: Aleph One , socal-raves@ucsd.edu Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Hard Copy (A Suggestion) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk What a great idea, Raves from a raver's point of view. There are so many articulate, intelligent, educated, people in this scene, let's interview them instead of the person who's been doing speed/ex/pot/alchohol/roofies/heroin (not necessarily in that order) for three days in a disco, then goes to an outdoor rave after cutting school, murdering their parents, and can barely talk much less express the intimacies of the scene, but wears the "rave-garb" that is stereotypically linked with party-goers. Why collect money? Perhaps there are those on the list that can donate time and energies? _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Hard Copy (A Suggestion) From: Aleph One at Internet Date: 5/9/96 9:51 AM As peple have pointed out calling, sending email, or taking to court Hard Copy wont do any good. For them its just another day at work. If you really whish to do something fight fire with fire. Get some film major from one of the raves lists to do a small documentary on raves and show it on public access tv and some film festivals, etc. I'am sure enough money can be collected for such thing from all the rave lists. Hey, Iam down for 50 bucks. Anyone up to the task? Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 11:01:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA21839; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:01:52 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA21750; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:01:30 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id LAA22883; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:01:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605091801.LAA22883@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: AH Gear Poll To: analogue@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Cc: socal-raves@ucsd.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [To the raving list people... this is a project I did for the Analogue Heaven Mailing list. I thought you might be interested to see the tools people use to make your favorite dance music!] Whew!! What a job. But, I think my efforts were worth it as we now have some good info and insite into the tools of AH members. The number one synth is.... a drum machine!! There are 2 lists here of the same data... one is sorted by number of AH members reporting to use the synth and the other is sorted by synth manufacture/model. A DM: prefix indicates the unit is a drum machine. A note on errors: YES there are many items on here that are not analogue. I just put in the info that people sent me. If there are incorrect DM: prefixes, please let me know. I have spent a lot of time on this project and for this reason I will not record any more gear lists for the time being. I got well over 50 responses including over 200 units, so I think this is a good statistical cross-section. Enjoy. -troy Sorted by AH Popularity: DM: Roland TR-606 18 Roland Juno 106 15 Oberheim Matrix 6(r) 14 Sequential Pro 1 14 Korg MS-20 12 Roland Juno 60 12 DM: Roland TR-808 11 Korg Mono/Poly 11 Roland SH-101 11 Roland TB303 11 DM: Roland TR-909 9 Roland Jupiter 8 9 Sequential Prophet 5 9 Arp Odyssey 8 Roland Juno 6 8 Arp 2600 7 Roland Jupiter 6 7 DM: Roland TR-707 6 Ensonic ESQ 6 Moog Memorymoog 6 Oberheim Matrix 1000 6 Realistic Moog MG1 6 Roland MC-202 6 Roland SH-09 6 Moog Minimoog 5 Moog Prodigy 5 OSC Oscar 5 PAiA Fatman 5 Roland Jupiter 4 5 Roland System 100(m) (104) 5 Seqeuential 600 5 Sequential Six Track 5 DM: Linn LinnDrum 4 DM: Roland TR727 4 Korg EX8000 4 Korg MS-50 4 Korg Polysix ("Best Organ and great bass") 4 Moog Micro Moog 4 Moog Source 4 Novation Bass Station 4 Oberheim Xpander 4 Roland SH-1000 4 DM: Boss DR-55 3 DM: Roland CR8000 3 DM: Roland R8 (w/ Dance Card) 3 Korg EX-800 3 Korg MS-10 3 Korg Poly-800 (mk II) 3 Moog Sonic Six 3 Oberheim OB-1 3 Oberheim OB-8 3 Oberheim OBMx 3 Roland JX-8P 3 Roland JX3P 3 Roland MKS-50 3 Roland SH-02 3 RSF Kobol Expander 3 Theremin (any) 3 Yamaha CS-40m 3 Arp Axxe 2 Casio CZ-101 2 Crumar Bit One 2 DM: Sequential Drumtraks (with prommed 909 c 2 DM: Simmons SDS 2 DM: Simmons SDS 9 drum brain 2 Elka Synthex 2 EMS Synthi A 2 Gleeman Pentaphonic 2 Korg DW-8000 2 Korg Poly 61m 2 Korg SQ-10 2 Mellotron 400s 2 Moog Multi-Moog 2 Oberheim 4 Voice 2 Octave Cat 2 PowerTran Transcendent 2000 2 PPG 2.2 2 Rhodes Chroma Polaris 2 Roland Alpha Juno-2 2 Roland D-550 2 Roland Juno 2 2 Roland MKS-30 2 Roland MKS-7 2 Roland MKS-80 2 Roland SH-3A 2 Roland SH-5 2 Sequential Prophet VS 2 Serge Modular 2 Synton Syrinx 2 Yamaha CS-20m 2 Yamaha CS-5 2 Yamaha DX-7(2) 2 Akai AX-60 1 Analogue Systems TH48 1 ARF Bernie 1 Arp Avatar 1 Arp Little Brother 1 Arp Omni 1 Arp Pro Soloist 1 ARP Quadra 1 Arp String Enseble 1 Boss HC-2 1 Boss PC-2 1 Buchla 200 Serial Electric Music Box 1 Casio 202 1 Casio CZ-1 1 Casio FZ-1 1 Control Synthesis Deep Bass Nine 1 Crumar Spirit 1 Curtis CEM Homemade Modular 1 Delta Music Modular 1 Digisound Modular-80 1 DK Synergy II 1 DM: Aleisis SR-16 1 DM: Boss DR-660 1 DM: Casio DH-100 1 DM: Emu Drumulator 1 DM: Gretsch Synsonic Drums 1 DM: Kawai XD5 1 DM: Korg KPR 77 1 DM: Roland 626 1 DM: Roland PB 300 1 DM: Roland R-5 1 DM: Roland TR-505 1 DM: Simmons SDS-1000 1 DM: Simmons SDS-200 1 DM: Sound Master SR 88 1 DM: Star Synare 3 1 DM: Tama Techstar TAM500 1 DM: Yamaha DD-5 1 DM: Yamaha RX-21 1 DM: Yamaha RX11 1 DM: Yamaha RY30 1 Doepfer MS-404 1 Doepfer System A-100 1 EDP Wasp 1 EML 400 1 EML 401 1 EML EML-101 1 EML prototype 1 Ensonic Mirage 1 Ensonic SQ-1+/32 1 Evolution EVS-1 1 Exclusively Analogue Aviator 1 Fender Rhodes 1 Freeman String Symphonizer 1 Hammond BCV 1 HUGE modular homebuilt 1 Kawai 100f 1 Kawai K1 1 Kawai K3 1 Korg Delta 1 Korg KPR-77 1 Korg MaxiKorg 1 Korg Micropreset 1 Korg PS-3200 1 Korg Wavestation EX 1 Moog MG-1 1 Moog Modular 1 Moog Rogue 1 Oberheim 2-voice 1 Oberheim 8-voice 1 Oberheim DMX 1 Oberheim DPX-1 1 Oberheim Matrix 12 1 Oberheim XA 1 Octave Voyetra-8 1 Opus III 1 PAiA Vocoder 1 PPG 2.3 1 PPG EVU 1 PPG Wave 2 1 PPG Waveterm B 1 Putney EMS VCS3 1 RMI Harmonic Synthesizer 1 Roland Alpha Juno 1 1 Roland CMU 810 1 Roland CR78 1 Roland G-303 1 Roland GR-700 1 Roland HS-60 1 Roland JD-800 1 Roland JSQ 60 1 Roland MKS-10 1 Roland MKS-20 1 Roland MKS-70 1 Roland MSQ 700 1 Roland Promars 1 Roland R-8m 1 Roland SH-1 1 Roland SH-2000 1 Roland SH-4 1 Roland SH-7 1 Roland SVC-350 Super Vocoder 1 Sequential Max 1 Sequential Prophet T8 1 Siel DK6000 1 Siel DK80 1 Simmons ClapTrap 1 Simmons SDS9 1 Sonorisse DR-6 1 Steiner-Parker Synthacon 1 Studio Electronics SE1 1 Syntecno Teebee 1 Teisco 100f 1 Voyetra 8 1 Wurlitzer Stage Piano 1 Yamaha CS-01 1 Yamaha CS-15 1 Yamaha CS-80 1 Yamaha DX-1 1 Yamaha DX-100 1 Yamaha FB-01 1 Yamaha TX-802 1 Yamaha TX-816 1 Sorted by Manufacture/Model Akai AX-60 1 Analogue Systems TH48 1 ARF Bernie 1 Arp 2600 7 Arp Avatar 1 Arp Axxe 2 Arp Little Brother 1 Arp Odyssey 8 Arp Omni 1 Arp Pro Soloist 1 ARP Quadra 1 Arp String Enseble 1 Boss HC-2 1 Boss PC-2 1 Buchla 200 Serial Electric Music Box 1 Casio 202 1 Casio CZ-1 1 Casio CZ-101 2 Casio FZ-1 1 Control Synthesis Deep Bass Nine 1 Crumar Bit One 2 Crumar Spirit 1 Curtis CEM Homemade Modular 1 Delta Music Modular 1 Digisound Modular-80 1 DK Synergy II 1 DM: Aleisis SR-16 1 DM: Boss DR-55 3 DM: Boss DR-660 1 DM: Casio DH-100 1 DM: Emu Drumulator 1 DM: Gretsch Synsonic Drums 1 DM: Kawai XD5 1 DM: Korg KPR 77 1 DM: Linn LinnDrum 4 DM: Roland 626 1 DM: Roland CR8000 3 DM: Roland PB 300 1 DM: Roland R-5 1 DM: Roland R8 (w/ Dance Card) 3 DM: Roland TR-505 1 DM: Roland TR-606 18 DM: Roland TR-707 6 DM: Roland TR-808 11 DM: Roland TR-909 9 DM: Roland TR727 4 DM: Sequential Drumtraks (with prommed 909 c 2 DM: Simmons SDS 2 DM: Simmons SDS 9 drum brain 2 DM: Simmons SDS-1000 1 DM: Simmons SDS-200 1 DM: Sound Master SR 88 1 DM: Star Synare 3 1 DM: Tama Techstar TAM500 1 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Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 11:20:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA24212; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:20:49 -0700 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24204; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:20:43 -0700 Received: from sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us [192.152.9.3]) id QQaozh08203; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.152.9.134] by sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/Brian-920528) id LAA17433; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:22:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199605091822.LAA17433@sugen1.sugen.sf.ca.us> X-Sender: melissaw@sugen1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:20:32 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: melissaw@sugen.sf.ca.us (Melissa Woodrow) Subject: Re: B2B Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk you bet. i've been told "it isn't really a race". phew. :> not sure whether we'll actually be able to meet b4 the race, but it would be very fun if some people could arrange something like an end-of-race sfr area (???)...maybe this is too ambitious for 9-10am on a saturday? whadd'ya think people? peace melis From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 11:21:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA24340; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:21:22 -0700 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24280; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:21:14 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id LAA01014; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:17:57 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9605091740.AA25532@cad614.sc.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:17:52 -0800 To: hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Tony Rotundo Subject: Re: packabowl age? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:40 AM -0700 5/9/96, hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com wrote: >Hi all, >does anyone know what the agelimit is for pack-a-bowl tonite ? >And if someone does, would that someone please let me know what >it is ?:) >thanks much, >-harsh >hdeshma@scdt.intel.com Though their (Rock-a-Bowl) voice mail said otherwise when I called a while back, the age limit is 18+, or at least it was three weeks ago. Call F8 for further details. Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 11:42:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26631; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:42:37 -0700 Received: from catapent.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26623; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:42:29 -0700 Received: from [206.26.117.24] (julie.catapent.com [206.26.117.24]) by catapent.com (8.7.5/SMI-4.1) with SMTP id LAA22545 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605091842.LAA22545@catapent.com> X-Sender: julie@mailhost.catapent.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:42:36 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: julie@catapent.com (Julie Mills) Subject: Re: B2B Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm doing Bay 2 Breakers, too! I'd love to meet up after. We could bring laminates and meet by the letter 'R' at the end of the race. Julie From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 11:48:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27306; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:48:09 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27293; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:48:04 -0700 Received: from (mlick@sjx-ca37-25.ix.netcom.com [204.31.236.217]) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA09647; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:47:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:47:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199605091847.LAA09647@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: mlick@ix.netcom.com (Michael Douglas Lick) Subject: Re: Hard Copy (A Suggestion) To: Aleph One Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > > As peple have pointed out calling, sending email, or taking to >court Hard Copy wont do any good. For them its just another day at work. >If you really whish to do something fight fire with fire. Get some film >major from one of the raves lists to do a small documentary on raves and >show it on public access tv and some film festivals, etc. I'am sure >enough money can be collected for such thing from all the rave lists. >Hey, Iam down for 50 bucks. Anyone up to the task? > >Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net >http://underground.org/ >KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 >Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 > > TO ALL INTERESTED IN A DOCUMENTARY ON RAVES to fight "fire with fire": My friend Clench is currently involved in such a project. You may have seen him filming at Harmony's Family Reunion at ACME, at MERIDIAN (Mosch's cool little party!), and at Beautiful People. I'm sure that his product would be Public Access TV and Film Festival material with a little help from his friends (ie: YOU!) If you would like to be interviewed, donate money, donate equipment or have footage of raves/parties you would like to donate to his movie, OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU THINK WOULD HELP e-mail him at: clench13@aol.com HE IS TOTALLY EXCITED AS IT IS ABOUT HIS DOCUMENTARY, AND WITH SOME SUPPORT FROM THE SCENE, HE WOULD BE IN extacy!!!!!! thanks for listenting, peace,love,unity::::::::::::::::::::::fathertime puckin.drooly.horks!!!!!! P.D.H.! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 12:06:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA29464; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:06:02 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA29226; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:05:46 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA05833 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA06291; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:03:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:03:07 -0700 (PDT) From: KaySEE Subject: The annoying spelling patrol is out To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199605091847.LAA09647@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 May 1996, Michael Douglas Lick wrote: > > SUPPORT FROM THE SCENE, HE WOULD BE IN extacy!!!!!! ^^^^^^ This word is spelled ecstasy. (Understandable mistake, hard word to figure out) (Much apologies, I have a hard time re-reading spelling errors. Must have something to do with the long line of English teachers in my family:) No offense to anyone, I make the same mistakes!!) Actually my biggest pet peeve is when "you're" is spelled "your." Shutting her mouth now and waiting for the heat:) kaysee From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 12:11:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA00123; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:11:06 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA00109; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:11:02 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id MAA24041 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:11:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605091911.MAA24041@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: VERY IMPORTANT- COMMENTS TO HARD COPY (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:11:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay kids, this is it. Kc is the socal-raves promoter of Dune, and he has some connections in the Hollywood TV industry. Send your comments to kc at sarahtonen@earthlink.net -troy > If you have specific comments to make regarding the segment on Hard Copy > please e-mail them to me ASAP as I am having a meeting with the producer of > the segment later today! > > Your comments MUST only regard the following areas: > > 1) Producer/Editor Irresponsibilty > 2) Errors/Inaccuracies in the report > 3) Ommissions in the report > 4) Irresponsibility in legalities (i.e. playing copywrited music and video > images, minors without consent, etc.) > > > No emotional responses please. > > > > Please get these to me immediately. Please don't call me or Hard Copy... yet. > > > > > -Kc > > > Memories of DUNE at > http://home.earthlink.net/~sarahtonen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 12:16:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA00540; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:16:43 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA00528; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:16:40 -0700 Received: from localhost (pabrams@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) with SMTP id MAA30898 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:16:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:16:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Abramson To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BTB: how about.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk How about our own "float" with a generator and a DJ being pulled along by lots of happy ravers? :) (it's not that far-fetched... there's a full-on tiki bar being pulled along every year with blenders, bartenders and TVs!) smiley From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 12:21:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01018; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:21:06 -0700 Received: from island.islandnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA01012; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:21:03 -0700 Received: by island.islandnet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uHbGo-000FaUC; Thu, 9 May 96 12:21 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 May 96 12:21 PDT From: solo@islandnet.com (solo) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: The annoying spelling patrol is out Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > On Thu, 9 May 1996, Michael Douglas Lick wrote: > > > > > SUPPORT FROM THE SCENE, HE WOULD BE IN extacy!!!!!! > ^^^^^^ > This word is spelled ecstasy. > > (Understandable mistake, hard word to figure out) > (Much apologies, I have a hard time re-reading spelling errors. Must > have something to do with the long line of English teachers in my > family:) No offense to anyone, I make the same mistakes!!) Actually my > biggest pet peeve is when "you're" is spelled "your." > > Shutting her mouth now and waiting for the heat:) > > kaysee > Sheeesh...feel better now? peace bill.e ****** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully v2.0 Netscapified ****** -----> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <----- come say Hi -> telnet to mud.islandnet.com 4321 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 12:56:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA04546; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:56:54 -0700 Received: from mail.domain.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA04527; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:56:49 -0700 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by mail.domain.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Thu, 9 May 1996 12:56:45 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:56:44 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Crusty old raver Subject: rides Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Some people on this list think that it's their god-given right to get a ride, whenever they want, to wherever they want, at their convenience. Nobody here on SF Raves nor anywhere else owes anybody a ride, and when one is offered or given, it should be appreciated, not expected. Those of you that constantly want rides ought to be a little more inwardly focused to figure out why rides aren't being offered to you. Attitude, respect for others and personal grooming habits should be topics of thought. With that in mind, can we bring the whining to a stop? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 13:11:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA06149; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:11:02 -0700 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA06128; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:10:56 -0700 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16625; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:07:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:07:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Reagan Reid To: hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: packabowl age? In-Reply-To: <9605091740.AA25532@cad614.sc.intel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm pretty sure that it's *all ages*. On Thu, 9 May 1996 hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com wrote: > Hi all, > does anyone know what the agelimit is for pack-a-bowl tonite ? > And if someone does, would that someone please let me know what > it is ?:) > thanks much, > -harsh > hdeshma@scdt.intel.com > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 13:13:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA06337; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:13:11 -0700 Received: from mail.ico.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA06324; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:13:08 -0700 Received: from starbase.starfishsoftware.com by mail.ico.net with SMTP (5.65/950621.1) id AA25446; Thu, 9 May 96 13:12:56 -0700 Message-Id: <9605092012.AA25446@mail.ico.net> Priority: urgent Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:11:00 -0700 From: Roy Feague Subject: RE: Hard Copy (A Suggestion) To: Aleph One , socal-raves Cc: sfraves X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V3.50c)/MIME Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Now THIS is a great idea. I'd pitch in 50 bucks, if we can get someone who would really DO it. Anyone know any good fimmakers? -Roy ---------- From: Aleph One[SMTP:aleph1@dfw.net] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 1996 11:15 AM To: socal-raves Cc: sfraves Subject: Hard Copy (A Suggestion) As peple have pointed out calling, sending email, or taking to court Hard Copy wont do any good. For them its just another day at work. If you really whish to do something fight fire with fire. Get some film major from one of the raves lists to do a small documentary on raves and show it on public access tv and some film festivals, etc. I'am sure enough money can be collected for such thing from all the rave lists. Hey, Iam down for 50 bucks. Anyone up to the task? Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 13:22:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA07501; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:22:19 -0700 Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA07490; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:22:16 -0700 Received: from worm.hooked.net (moonpup@worm.hooked.net [206.80.6.43]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10931 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:24:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Milton Cecil Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA25272; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605092023.NAA25272@worm.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Just arrived in SF...don't know shit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow! I just arrived in SF this week and I'm completely clueless. You may remember me... my name is Erik and I posted about a month ago saying that I was packing my shit up and driving cross country from DC to San Fran. Oh, Yeah... I must explain why I'm using moonpup's address... well, I'm living in moonpup's place while he's in the UK. And he left before I got here. So, back to my original story... Yes, I'm a new San Franciscan (is that right?). So who'd like to show me what the west coast is all about? Any friendly gatherings this weekend? (I lost the sfraves calender. Actually I think I need to resubscribe) I'm fumbling through this Mac. I assumed when moonpup said had a computer for me to use that it would be a PC... Wrong! Another questions: Wheres a Mall or a bunch of shops to buy stuff? And anyone know a cool place to get a hair cut? I'm goin' long to short so I don't want any Joe cuttin' me too bald. --erik From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 13:29:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA08149; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:29:38 -0700 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08138; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:29:34 -0700 Received: from [153.37.82.109] (pool045.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.109]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16709; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:28:54 +0200 To: crunch@well.com (John Draper), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin) Subject: Ride pool was: Re:Put me on the Yo list Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Also, put me on the list of those people who need rides. So it's late >Wednesday evening and we ONLY GOT 3 people signed up as rave pool drivers. >This is pathetic at best.... ONLY 3 people having cars and able to take >additional riders to the parties this weekend? Out of how many on >SFRaves? Someone said 900 people? Is that right? Something is >very wrong here.... > >The Crunchman Hey, I'd help out if I could but I live in Pleasanton about an hour east of the city and I also drive a 2 seat car...This leaves me with little options for ride sharing. If I could get a ride sometimes too I wouldn't have to pay up to 10 dollars a weekend for gas to a party. Savin' those pennies till the next party... Austin . . __/-^-\__ . . . . . <<<>>> . . . @ . `'\-*-/`' . . . . . = . . /|\ . . . . . . / | \ . . . / | \ . . . . . / / | \ \. . . . / / | \ \ . . . = . . / / / | \ \ \ . . . . . / / / | \ \ \ . . = . . / / / / | \ \ \ \. . . . . / / / / | \ \ \ \ . . _@_/` ~\_e_/~ _G/ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ . . ~/ }} (*) < =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ = . // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ . . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 13:30:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA08309; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:30:19 -0700 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08297; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:30:15 -0700 Received: from erase99.sirius.com (ppp050-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.50]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id NAA29457 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:30:14 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960509203040.00846260@140.174.229.14> X-Sender: erase99@140.174.229.14 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 13:30:40 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "I, 99" Subject: Re: rides Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Some people on this list think that it's their god-given right to get a >ride, whenever they want, to wherever they want, at their convenience. i think the original idea of the ride pool was to give people rides should you be driving an empty car past their house or neighborhood. not driving out of your way to pick someone up and take them home, that is obviously a little ridiculous. i, for one, have no problem stopping somewhere along the way to the city to pick up a couple people if it's not out of my way. and if i got a buck or two in gas money, or just managed to help someone else have a good time that would be worth it to me. besides, we owe it to the environment to fill up our cars with people when we go somewhere. what's an extra 10 minutes if it saves someone from driving an additional car, or if it makes a couple people happy? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 13:37:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA08931; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:37:51 -0700 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08909; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:37:41 -0700 Received: from [153.37.82.109] (pool045.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.109]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17364 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:37:23 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin) Subject: Re: packabowl age? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hdeshma@scdt.intel.com wrote on 5/9/96: >Hi all, >does anyone know what the agelimit is for pack-a-bowl tonite ? >And if someone does, would that someone please let me know what >it is ?:) >thanks much, >-harsh >hdeshma@scdt.intel.com Well the flyer I got at Sunset says 21+ but a couple of weeks ago it was 18+= ???/ I think I am going and I will bring my "60's/70's" sfr laminamte (as some one mentioned) Special Guest : GARTH and residents TRACY and MARS Here's the ## 415.541.5019 . . __/-^-\__ . . . . . <<<>>> . . . @ . `'\-*-/`' . . . . . = . . /|\ . . . . . . / | \ . . . / | \ . . . . . / / | \ \. . . . / / | \ \ . . . = . . / / / | \ \ \ . . . . . / / / | \ \ \ . . = . . / / / / | \ \ \ \. . . . . / / / / | \ \ \ \ . . _@_/` ~\_e_/~ _G/ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ . . ~/ }} (*) < =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ = . // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ . . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 13:44:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09533; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:44:22 -0700 Received: from amy28.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09486; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:43:54 -0700 Received: (from senator@localhost) by amy28.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09390; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:43:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Cassandra Ann Thomas To: Aleph One cc: socal-raves@ucsd.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Hard Copy (A Suggestion) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This actually was going to be one of my suggestions for in the end it is that kind of work which endures once the people who were involved are gone. If you qant to make a statement, you need to do it yourselves. I have some ideas on how it could be done. Would anyone want to work on such a project? Cassandra On Thu, 9 May 1996, Aleph One wrote: > As peple have pointed out calling, sending email, or taking to > court Hard Copy wont do any good. For them its just another day at work. > If you really whish to do something fight fire with fire. Get some film > major from one of the raves lists to do a small documentary on raves and > show it on public access tv and some film festivals, etc. I'am sure > enough money can be collected for such thing from all the rave lists. > Hey, Iam down for 50 bucks. Anyone up to the task? > > Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net > http://underground.org/ > KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 > Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 13:44:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09606; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:44:58 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09600; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:44:54 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA03448; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:44:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Melissa Wong To: blkadder@value.net cc: Be 99 , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You know, about four years ago Newsweek showed up to A Rave Called Sharon and....... there were plenty of us who gave them positive interviews and perspectives. What showed up in the article? People on drugs and "Do you know where your children are when you're asleep?" That was four years ago. Same shit different day. It seems futile to attempt to enlighten these entertainers and babysitters. That's all these Hard Copy people are. They are not journalist and they are not interested in "reporting". They are concerned with NUMBERS. That is, numbers of viewers. If you watched their show.... you watched their advertisers adds. That's it. Keep it real and loving HERE. That's where we make a difference. In our lives together as a community. There will always be the charlatans out there looking for a buck and I don't want to cater to them anymore than we already have. Do any of you remember the 60 minutes show about 3-4 years ago? Melissa ************************************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forest, go naked in the summertime that you may regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. -John Whiteside Parson ************************************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 13:49:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09994; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:49:29 -0700 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09986; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:49:26 -0700 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA03643; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:49:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Melissa Wong To: Vince cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: B2B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oooohhhhh, that would be fun. An SFRaves funky crew all dressed up and shaking our rumps down the street! On Thu, 9 May 1996, Vince wrote: > Hey do any of you wacky ravers want to get all dressed up and run > (walk/crawl) in the Bay to Breakers with me ??? > > Vince > > Sunday May 19th > > info: http://www.sfo.com/~hulaman/bay2b.html > > ************************************************************** Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forest, go naked in the summertime that you may regain the old joy and love gladly and freely under the stars. -John Whiteside Parson ************************************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 14:04:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA11308; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:04:53 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA11254; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:04:04 -0700 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id OAA25725; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:03:23 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id OAA01756; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:03:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Hard Copy (A Suggestion) To: Aleph One cc: socal-raves@ucsd.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 May 1996, Aleph One wrote: > As peple have pointed out calling, sending email, or taking to > court Hard Copy wont do any good. For them its just another day at work. > If you really whish to do something fight fire with fire. Get some film > major from one of the raves lists to do a small documentary on raves and > show it on public access tv and some film festivals, etc. I'am sure > enough money can be collected for such thing from all the rave lists. > Hey, Iam down for 50 bucks. Anyone up to the task? > > Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net > http://underground.org/ > KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 > Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 > > Hi all! I actually have a production okay at Santa Cruz Community TV (my local public access station) and can work with others to produce a tape. I'm REALLY poor so I would need financil assitance (getting tape[s], going to raves, trasportation). I could help pay for some but not all. Most important is that I do have access to video equipment and an editing system and a station to broadcast from. Interested replies can be addressed privately. I'm also a film/video student. Ran @ Dionysus dreams (broadcasting live) / -=*=-/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 14:14:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA12190; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:14:01 -0700 Received: from dfw.dfw.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA12157; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:13:28 -0700 Received: by dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18570; Thu, 9 May 96 16:05:10 CDT Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:05:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Aleph One To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: VERY IMPORTANT- COMMENTS TO HARD COPY (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Some of you might want to add something to this. Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:35:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kc To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu Subject: VERY IMPORTANT- COMMENTS TO HARD COPY If you have specific comments to make regarding the segment on Hard Copy please e-mail them to me ASAP as I am having a meeting with the producer of the segment later today! Your comments MUST only regard the following areas: 1) Producer/Editor Irresponsibilty 2) Errors/Inaccuracies in the report 3) Ommissions in the report 4) Irresponsibility in legalities (i.e. playing copywrited music and video images, minors without consent, etc.) No emotional responses please. Please get these to me immediately. Please don't call me or Hard Copy... yet. -Kc Memories of DUNE at http://home.earthlink.net/~sarahtonen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 14:16:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA12440; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:16:34 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA12431; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:16:28 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id OAA26676; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:15:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: Crusty old raver cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: rides In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > With that in mind, can we bring the whining to a stop? My car has 263,000 miles on it, mostly from taking ungrateful little bastards to raves :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 14:17:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA12553; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:17:59 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA12524; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:17:29 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id OAA26702; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:17:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:16:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: Reagan Reid cc: hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: packabowl age? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think it said 21+ on the flyer... > > I'm pretty sure that it's *all ages*. > > > > > On Thu, 9 May 1996 hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com wrote: > > > Hi all, > > does anyone know what the agelimit is for pack-a-bowl tonite ? > > And if someone does, would that someone please let me know what > > it is ?:) > > thanks much, > > -harsh > > hdeshma@scdt.intel.com > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 14:57:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA16123; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:57:30 -0700 Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA16113; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:57:27 -0700 Received: from (ascend@sjx-ca30-01.ix.netcom.com [204.31.235.161]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA24389 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:54:15 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:54:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199605092154.OAA24389@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Harmony resp./info (Bsp) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I just wanted to say thanks for all of the overwelming responce to our last party (Beautiful People)! All of us really apprieciate the positive feedback that all of you have given us! It really does mean alot!! We thrive on it. For me personally, all of the energy that was created that night is what is forcing me to do it again! You guys, are the driving force behind Harmony! You are responcible for creating the vibe, the energy and the love! We try our hardest to give you the atmosphere, which lets you be open, positive, sharing, caring and loving. But always remember, it is because of you! And with that, here is the next party! On this Sunday May 12th, Harmony is going to the beach! The party will start at 12 noon, and go past sunset sometime. Of coarse it is FREE, and will be located on a friendly beach in Santa Cruz. The weather report looks sunny, so come out and show your support!! Please, bring water and food, plus cold and warm clothes!! Most of all bring your positive energy!!!!! The info numbers are (408) 486-9591 and (408)450-3044 Peace, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 15:20:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA18289; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:20:43 -0700 Received: from ecf2.puc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA18261; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:20:34 -0700 Received: (from amdice@localhost) by ecf2.puc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA13791; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:19:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tinsau To: Julie Mills cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: B2B In-Reply-To: <199605091842.LAA22545@catapent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 May 1996, Julie Mills wrote: > I'm doing Bay 2 Breakers, too! I'd love to meet up after. We could bring > laminates and meet by the letter 'R' at the end of the race. > > Julie > > That sounds like a good place to meet. I will have to remember to bring my laminate just for this. Are there others running this as well? Austin Tinsau S.F. Born and Raved! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 15:30:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA19415; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:30:06 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA19379; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:29:58 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id PAA27990; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:18:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605092218.PAA27990@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: packabowl age? To: dwarzau@ns.net (John Deatherage) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: raygun@value.net, hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "John Deatherage" at May 9, 96 02:16:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Nope! It is all ages, but there is a bar there that you must be +21 to get in to. -troy > > > I think it said 21+ on the flyer... > > > > > I'm pretty sure that it's *all ages*. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 9 May 1996 hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > does anyone know what the agelimit is for pack-a-bowl tonite ? > > > And if someone does, would that someone please let me know what > > > it is ?:) > > > thanks much, > > > -harsh > > > hdeshma@scdt.intel.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 15:37:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20135; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:37:49 -0700 Received: from ecf2.puc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20124; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:37:44 -0700 Received: (from amdice@localhost) by ecf2.puc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA14854; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:37:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:37:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tinsau To: Melissa Wong cc: Vince , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: B2B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 May 1996, Melissa Wong wrote: > > Oooohhhhh, that would be fun. An SFRaves funky crew all dressed up and > shaking our rumps down the street! > > > On Thu, 9 May 1996, Vince wrote: > > > Hey do any of you wacky ravers want to get all dressed up and run > > (walk/crawl) in the Bay to Breakers with me ??? > > > > Vince Actually, since I will be coming straight from Space Teddy I will be dressed up. I don't know about the feasability of meeting at the start of the race but having a meeting at the end by the R as was suggested is surely workable. Austin Tinsau S.F. Born and Raved! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 15:44:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20909; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:44:06 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA20890; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:44:00 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA22880 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 May 1996 15:43:32 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA16197 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:44:00 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA24276 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:43:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:43:56 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Harmony resp./info (Bsp) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > And with that, here is the next party! On this Sunday May 12th, >Harmony is going to the beach! The party will start at 12 noon, and go >past sunset sometime. Of coarse it is FREE, and will be located on a >friendly beach in Santa Cruz. The weather report looks sunny, so come >out and show your support!! > >Peace, >Greg :) Yes! I am soooo there!!! Hope to see as many of y'all as possible. If anyone near the 17/85 interchange needs a ride over the hill, let me know, and I'll see if I can give you one. But only if you have good grooming habits ;) (j/k) Pass the sunscreen, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 15:49:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21599; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:49:20 -0700 Received: from cmac20.Colorado.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21586; Thu, 9 May 1996 15:49:12 -0700 Received: from [198.59.61.5] by cmac20.Colorado.EDU with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b10); Thu, 9 May 1996 16:49:25 -0600 Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT- COMMENTS TO HARD COPY (fwd) Date: Thu, 9 May 96 16:49:22 -0600 From: Andy Hawks To: "Sanfrandisco Raves" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1380461931-249077@cmac20.Colorado.EDU> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >If you have specific comments to make regarding the segment on Hard Copy >please e-mail them to me ASAP as I am having a meeting with the producer of >the segment later today! > >Your comments MUST only regard the following areas: > >1) Producer/Editor Irresponsibilty >2) Errors/Inaccuracies in the report >3) Ommissions in the report >4) Irresponsibility in legalities (i.e. playing copywrited music and video >images, minors without consent, etc.) > > >No emotional responses please. This is pretty fruitless, IMHO. =) I fully understand the feelings behind your desire to correct the wrongs you feel were committed, but.... Melissa Wong's comments hit it on the mark, it's the most intelligent response I've ever heard to this tired, decade old subject, and takes a wize, mature focus: >From: Melissa Wong, inanna@best.com > >Keep it real and >loving HERE. That's where we make a difference. In our lives together as >a community. There will always be the charlatans out there looking for a >buck and I don't want to cater to them anymore than we already have. As she said, these people are always going to get away with as much as they can to draw attention to themselves for whatever reason (money, psychological need, whatever). And there are always going to be people in your life who feed off your energy like that for their own selfish gain, whether it's a friend, lover, family, or Hard Copy. The best solution is generally not to engage in the energy struggle when someone feeds off you like this, because it just ends up promoting negativity on either or both ends, and it wastes your own time and energy. Rather, focus more strongly on what's close to you that's positive and mutually beneficial, because positivity breeds positivity. Like Melissa said, "Keep it real and loving HERE. That's where we make a difference." It can't be said better or more accurately. And try to realize that the Hard Copy type of exploitation goes on weekend after weekend on a smaller/individual scale all around you. If you do feel the need to do something about it, work from the grassroots to ensure that everyone understands what rave culture is really all about -- that's how you kill the whale, when it's a little itty-bitty fishy. Take away people's fear of what they don't understand and they start to embrace what was once mysterious, what they once might've sought to exploit or punish or put an end to. break down barriers and spread love in your own ways every day and the world will be a better place. =) peace and lur __ __ ___/ ) andy@andy.colorado.edu ( \___ (___) (_____ peace<->love<->unity<->respect _____) (___) (___)> _____ believe in the power of love _____ <(___) (___)_/ \_(___) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 16:16:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA24995; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:16:43 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA24989; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:16:38 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id QAA29622; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:16:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605092316.QAA29622@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT- COMMENTS TO HARD COPY (fwd) To: andy@cmac20.colorado.edu (Andy Hawks) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <1380461931-249077@cmac20.Colorado.EDU> from "Andy Hawks" at May 9, 96 04:49:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > As she said, these people are always going to get away with as much as > they can to draw attention to themselves for whatever reason (money, > psychological need, whatever). And there are always going to be people > in your life who feed off your energy like that for their own selfish > gain, whether it's a friend, lover, family, or Hard Copy. > > The best solution is generally not to engage in the energy struggle when > someone feeds off you like this, because it just ends up promoting > negativity on either or both ends, and it wastes your own time and > energy. > > Rather, focus more strongly on what's close to you that's positive and > mutually beneficial, because positivity breeds positivity. Like Melissa > said, "Keep it real and loving HERE. That's where we make a difference." > It can't be said better or more accurately. I agree with your energy strugle ideas, but the fact is, is that this negative publicity may make it very hard to throw parties. Dune was thrown in complete compliance with the Fedral desert Land Management rangers... and they were there supervising the whole event. If the common notion of raves becomes "they are drugged-out orgies", then it may be impossible to have these parties. Remember, they are trying to get ratings, TV wants to be your friend. If people don't let the networks know that TV is pissing them off, then they won't change. Kc has an incredible opportunity to let the Media know what the growing rave culture thinks about them bashing our scene. Let's give him support, okay? -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 16:40:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA27319; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:40:56 -0700 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27312; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:40:53 -0700 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA18751; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:40:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 19:40:24 -0400 Message-ID: <960509194023_110343344@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Vince@vmar.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: BayToBreakers Raveathon Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk .....any of you wacky ravers want to get all dressed up and run (walk/crawl) in the Bay to Breakers with me ???-Vince Hmm, DING, idea (lightbulb over head) this sounds interesting, perhaps we can grab a boom box, a few whistles, throw on our floppy hats and overalls, and rave on down the road. Damn we need those SFR shirts! -When is B2B Vince?- Love, Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 16:55:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA28935; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:55:13 -0700 Received: from sco.sco.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA28869; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:55:07 -0700 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa28244; 9 May 96 16:52 PDT Received: from tehama.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa03512; 9 May 96 16:52 PDT Received: from andrewk.pdev.sco.COM by tehama.sco.com id aa01510; 9 May 96 16:48 PDT From: Andrew Knutsen To: andy@cmac20.colorado.edu Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT- COMMENTS TO HARD COPY (fwd) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: ScoMail 3.0.Bd MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9605091645.aa26456@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > >If you have specific comments to make regarding the segment on Hard Copy > >please e-mail them to me ASAP as I am having a meeting with the producer of > >the segment later today! > > > > This is pretty fruitless, IMHO. =) I fully understand the feelings > behind your desire to correct the wrongs you feel were committed, but.... > Small-time complaints might be fruitless, but in this case someone was exploited (perhaps even slandered), as a promoter/individual, by a media company. Like it or not, the media carries a lot of weight, and dealing with them on their level can avoid a lot of negativity being broadcast... The reason the media works at all is that there is a certain degree of responsibility, based on "whining" by the slandered. Andrew ----------------------------------------- Andrew Knutsen andrewk@sco.com Santa Cruz Operation (408) 427-7538 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 17:00:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA29530; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:00:44 -0700 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA29524; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:00:41 -0700 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA25913 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 May 1996 17:00:11 -0700 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA22270; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:00:35 -0700 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA09669; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:00:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:00:31 -0700 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Andrew Knutsen From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT- COMMENTS TO HARD COPY (fwd) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Small-time complaints might be fruitless, but in this case someone was >exploited (perhaps even slandered), as a promoter/individual, by a media >company. Like it or not, the media carries a lot of weight, and dealing with >them on their level can avoid a lot of negativity being broadcast... The >reason >the media works at all is that there is a certain degree of responsibility, >based on "whining" by the slandered. > >Andrew > The argument in favor of addressing HC is gaining strength, IMO. Maybe we should support this cause after all. Crew? - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 17:21:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA02255; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:21:04 -0700 Received: from fox by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA02241; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:21:01 -0700 Received: from slip-3 [204.160.88.17] (mail) by fox with smtp (Exim 0.42 #2) id E0uHfvf-0004xj-00; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:19:31 -0700 Received: from sf-asc-54-203.dialup.slip.net [206.14.14.203] by slip-3 with smtp (Exim 0.42 #2) id E0uHfuZ-0006Dp-00; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:18:24 -0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "illumin8" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:10:53 +0000 Subject: Bass Instinct Stuff Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey Everyone! We're going to be helping out the BASS crew on Friday. F-8 will be the map point for the party. These guys are doing great job with getting jungle out and about in town, so give 'em some support! Stop by between 10pm-2am and get the skinny. "The shit you just can't fuck with!" Dig it! Jonas F-8 1816 Haight St. @ Stanyan SF 415-221-4142 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 17:33:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA04220; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:33:37 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA04199; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:33:33 -0700 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id RAA10555; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:33:32 -0700 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id RAA00472; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:33:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:33:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re[2]: Free Tibet-not rave related (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this is the organization i was talking about....... >I also see that there is an info line 1-888-MILAREPA and a web site at >http:// www.milarepa.org. > I recently bought tickets for Saturday and Sunday shows. I must admit, mainly > because of the music. This may sound like an ignorant question, especially > being from a Buddhist family, but what does "Free Tibet" really mean? Also, > does anybody know how much of my hard earned $56 dollars will actually be used > to help and what kind of help is needed? I thought it was a valid question to > this group because there are so many enlightened people on this list. > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 17:48:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA07237; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:48:11 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA07228; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:48:09 -0700 Received: from [128.32.91.92] (mmf22.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.92]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA05554 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:46:33 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) Subject: Hard Copy and the Nature of Mass Media Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Michael wrote: > Before wasting time in a reply to Hardcopy you might consider Do they >even care ? I suspect that a show like that would only care that you >watched at all - NOT whether you agree/disagree.... merely that they are >getting through . Their goal is not to inform with TRUTH as much as it is >to inform with entertainment ( truth is not really their objective )... I agree, but I think that their goal is not to inform at all, but to ensure an audience FOR THE COMMERCIALS. Size of audience share sets the price the show can charge for commercial time - the PROFIT behind this show. Therefore, they sensationalize and "entertain" and distort and vulgarize as much as possible to appeal to the widest amount of people (oops, I mean "consumers"). Most television shows are merely the padding around the true purpose of commercial television - agressive advertisement for you to buy, buy, buy. Their mind-numbing stupidity (i.e. sit-coms) and their ridiculous sensationalizing (i.e. tabloid "news" shows) create a state of mind in the viewer that ensure absolute receptivity, NOT conducive to analytical thought -- the perfect mind-set to unthinkingly absorb the subliminal/overt messages of the commercials. Therefore, it would be counter-productive for a medium intent on creating mindless consuming automatons to encourage open-mindedness and thinking for our selves. The job of the Hard Copy crew is to scour real life for any situation that could possible be exploited. And illegal, all-night parties with teen-agers and drugs is PUUURRFECT for that. It's "sexy!" (in advertising lingo). A public retraction is totally impossible. Any information would just be for the benefit of the Hard Copy crew, who may or may not care - either way, it doesn't change the nature of their job, which is to sensationalize, which brings in the viewers, who are primed for a barrage of advertising. The real issues are addressing why America eats up these shows, how to resist excessive consumerism, how to reform the mass media, and making sure those in our own lives hear from us the real story. But, it was good for a laugh. :P Back to studying! Love, Nancy > >All this IMHO of course ;-) > >HARDCOPY the show that cares about THE TRUTH and shows it... >Now there's a slogan for the masses.... > >Mike > > > meclay@netcom.com | Alone & ecstatic > Mike Clay (415)572-8971 | A young rainbow learns to levitate. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 17:50:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA07498; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:50:07 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA07444; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:49:57 -0700 From: Derek Chung Message-Id: <199605100049.RAA07444@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 18473 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Friday is a big Jungle night with Bass Instinct featuring SF's finest junglists and also Funky Tekno Tribe welcomes Goldie and Doc Scott. There's a free party as well that night; on Saturday, Madness ought to be crazy, and maybe there'll be a Sunset on Sunday. I have a feeling some of the weeklies are dead and buried by now, but I need some help figuring out exactly which ones are no more. THE SFR CALENDAR http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Friday, May 10th - _Something Free_ Ethan, Le Le, Tom, Dan Barnes. Free. 415.525.5052 Friday, May 10th - Rain Dance Productions presents _Building Blocks_ Garth, Carlos, Mark Farina, Tom, Spun, Woolove, Harry Who?. 408.425.3316 415.965.5045 510.889.2922 Friday, May 10th - _The Happening_ Tomas Trouble, Donald Glaude, DRC, Pat (UK), Matthew Gadfathr. advance tix at Ameba & Primal Records 415.267.3927 510.464.5985 Friday, May 10th - Funky Tekno Tribe vs Goldie & the Metalheadz Goldie, Doc Scott, Graeme, DJ Dan, Markie, Raymond Roker , Professor Smith. 10pm-, 21+. 525 Harrison, SF. 415.266.8215 Friday, May 10th - the b.a.s.s. kru presents Bass Instinct A Drum and Bass Celebration Thad, Stareyes, Abstract, Flux, Noel, Tomas. Free mix tapes for the first eighty people 415.332.5800x247 Saturday, May 11st - _The Happening_ outdoor party - 1/2 price to attendees of the 5.10.96 Happening 415.267.3927 510.464.5985 Saturday, May 11st - GK Productions/FunkyBeat presents _Experience_ Dutch, Christophe, Mystr-E, Ivo, Max Factor, Jin, Nam, Spinner, Blesed, Essence, Paucus. 510.980.8861 415.605.1915 408.488.1350 Saturday, May 11st - _madness _ Peter Lazonby, Ethan, Alex Windsor, Jon Santos, Joe Rice, John Carel. 415.281.9432 Saturday, May 11st - "The River" presents _ritual and rave_ a tribute to Gaia, our mother. Sanna, Cyr, Ronan. Pot luck at 6ish - bring exotic cuisine and spirit 3:30pm-dark, All ages, Free. Joaquin Miller Park, Oakland. 510.986.9150 Wednesday, May 15th - Game Technologies presents _Sprockets_ Freaky Chakra vs. Single Cell Orchestra, guests. 8p-2a, $5. San Jose. 408.345.1415 Friday, May 17th - King St Garage Anita, Patrick, David Harness. 10pm-, 21+, $4. King St Garage, 174 King St @ 3rd., SF. 415.522.6887 Friday, May 17th - Ultra 5 presents _Smarties _ Pierre (NYC), Eric Davenport, Barry Weaver, DJ Dan, Jeno, Kimo. 9pm-7am, . 800.204.3986 415.437.5503 408.345.2399 916.484.4006 Saturday, May 18th - Origin presents _Liquid Sky Music west coast tour_ Teri Bristol (Miss Thing), Reese (NYC), Markie, Simon, Garth, Rob Doten. Virgin location, free water and organic food. 415.675.5605 408.236.3398 415.541.5646 916.484.4213 Saturday, May 18th - SqUAreOne presents _Fresh Start_ Karizma, Rig-A-Tony, Lego, Pelican Boy, Dr. Jimmy Zimms, special guest. discount for May Babies w/i.d. $10. SF. 415.263.3987 Saturday, May 18th - Spundae presents _Space Teddy_ Keoki, DJ Dan, Mystr-E, Mars, Jon Santos, David Michael. 415.764.2922 Friday, May 24th - Space Children & In-Touch presents _Open Space_ A1 (Texas), DJ Dan, Donald Glaude, Graeme, Cesar, Radley. 415.267.3916 510.433.7216 408.327.9277 916.554.7177 Saturday, May 25th - Funky Tekno Tribe Graeme, DJ Dan, Simon, Tony, Galen, Jon Williams, Chris Flores, Darkhorse, Jonah Sharp, Professor Smith. limited pre-sale tix $20 at Housewares & In Tha Mix. 415.266.8215 415.266.9215 408.236.2205 916.484.3727 Saturday, May 25th - _a higher state of freedom_ andre lucero, taj, galen, sean murray, goura candra. Free. 415.303.5336 Sunday, May 26th - _Spundae_ John Aquaviva, Jon Williams, Simon, Henrik, Tony, Felix, David Michael, Kimball Collins, Mark Lewis, DJ Dan, Carlos, Miquel, Pete Avila, David Harness. Visuals by Dimension Se7en. 9pm-8am, 21+. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.974.9389 Friday, May 31st - _Needles_ Barry Weaver, Donald Glaude, Chris Flores, Karizma, Dutch, Matthew, Miah, Stevie, Vibes, Flash, Dennis, Rockit, Filip, Scot, Carlos Campos. runs all weekend (thru 6/2) 415.313.7107 916.440.2707 Friday, May 31st - Out-A-Sight Graeme, Jeno, Simon, Sotero (SD). Visuals by Hyperdelic, Donovan. SF. 415.437.4462 Friday, May 31st - Beyond Space-Time/Kundalini presents _100% Spiritual Rays of Love_ Michael Manahan, Dervish, DJ Daeman, Ernie Munson, Phil Salter, Jon Williams. 415.337.4928 Saturday, June 1st - _Tribal Future Big Mountain Boogie_ Tony, Carlos, Josh, John Howard, Tracy, Galen, Solar, Alex Windsor, Alika, Abstract, Pollywog, Dan Barnes, Allen, Andrew, Nathan, DJ Crack. runs from noon Saturday until midnight or later Sunday. tix at Ameba and Primal. $20. Willits. 415.750.9368 Wednesday, August 28th - Burning Man 1996 includes Wicked Sound System. save $10 by registering by June 1st. runs entire weekend, through September 2nd. All ages, $35. Black Rock Desert, Nevada. 415.985.7471 _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... Thursday Lift - House, Funk w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jay-J, Black, guests. 12mid-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma, SF. 415.267.5984 Velvet Shop - House, Techno. call for location 21+, $5. 4th St Bowl, , SJ. 408.235.1556 _Azul_ - House, Soul w/DJs Alfie, James. 21+, Free. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF. Full House - Acid Jazz, House w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen, Andrew Rawnsley, Bruno Ybarra, guests, live musicians. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. Miss Pearl's Jam House, Eddy & Larkin, SF. Pack-a-Bowl - "We'll be droppin the wax while you're droppin the balls" w/DJs Mars, Tracy, guests. 8:30pm-2am, $6. Park Bowl, Haight @ Stanyan, SF. 415.541.5019 _Diversity_ - jungle, trance. Every other Thursday 18+, $5. , Sacramento 916.203.TRIP .blitz - foxyboysfancygirlsfreshmademixes begins April 4th 21+. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. _Le Jazz Hot!_ - future sounds for jazz heads w/DJs Andrew Jervis, guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Nickies BBQ, 460 Haight, SF. 415.621.6508 _Real_ - house, techno. every first Thursday of the month 9pm-2am, 18+, $7. Pantages Theater, 1225 K St Mall, Sacramento. 916.565.9588 _Revolutionary Wax_ - coax your evolutionary ass w/DJs Consuelo Kevin, John John (Open Mind), James (Tweekin). 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th St, SF. 415.252.7740 _Green_ - house, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 10pm-2am, 18+. the top of the Wharf Cafe, the end of the Santa Cruz Wharf, Santa Cruz. Friday _ Sound Factory _- House w/DJs Pete Avila, David Harness, guets. 9:30pm-7am, 21+, $10. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Soul'd Out_ - House w/DJs Julius Papp, Rick Preston, guests. free before 10:30 9pm-, 21+, $5. The Usual, 400 S.1st St., San Jose. _Nocturnal Transmission_ - House w/DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez, Saint John, guests. $5 before midnight. 11pm-5am, 21+, $10. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.957.1730 _Go Fast_ - Techno. Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come too). 10pm-. 8th & Minna, SF. _Liquid Fridays_ - House w/DJs various DJs. 10pm-2am, 18+, Free. 2721 Broadway, Sacramento., Sacramento. 916.484.4285 _Viva_ - ...setting san francisco on fire! w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Jamie J, guest. free before 10:30 w/flyer 9:30pm-4am, 21+, $7. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. the green door - "where circles meet squares" w/DJs andrew, thomas, caspar, paul, felix the dog, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $7. 880 Stevenson @ 10th, SF. _Nikita_ - house, techno w/DJs Jeno, Simon, Henrik. 10pm-7am, 21+, $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568 [5.10 - Deep Dish] [5.31 - Juan Atkins] [6.7 - DJ Duke] [6.14 - Westbam, Hardsequencer] [6.21 - CJ Mackintosh] [6.28 - Derrick May] _The Scene_ - 21+. the EndUp, 401 6th @ Harrison, SF. 415.393.9067 _Beats_ - house, breakbeat, trance w/DJs Carlos Campos, Karizma, weekly guests. 7042 Folsom Blvd between Howe and 65th, Sacramento. 415.273.1345 916.558.0850 _This Side Up_ - house, techno w/DJs guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. Saturday _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady, Nikki Rivera, guests. saturday morning 6am-, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF. _Sound Factory _- big club sounds 9:30pm-4am, 21+. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr. Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457 55 - House, Euro w/DJs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez, guests. 21+. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.267.1858 _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights. 10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903 Vertigo - Psycho, Techno, Disco, Funk w/DJs Nikki Rivera, Ellen Ferrato, Dave Peterson, Lewis. 10pm-, 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. 415.703.7172 _Liquid Vinyl_ - House w/DJs Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard, guests. 2am-6am, 21+, $8. DV8, 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730 _Nuff Respect _- Jungle w/DJs StarEyes, Thad. 5pm-9pm, Free. Your Mama's Cafe, 5239 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland, Oakland. 510.601.YOUR phunkatech - Jungle w/DJs UFO, Noel, guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.995.4699 _Metro Jazz _- Acid Jazz w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Mauricio Avilas, Tom Thump, Franky, guests. 10pm-, 21+, $7. 111 Minna St, SF. [5.11 - Roman] [5.18 - Kevin] [5.25 - Harry Who?] [6.1 - Markie] [6.8 - Two Year Anniversary] Sunday the Sci-fi Club - hypersentientpsychedelictribalacidcybertrance w/DJs Dutch, DRC, Mars, Theta Blip, Solar, guests. Free food and Funky vibes in The Juicy Milk Bar (Ameba DJ team + guests) 18+. 683 Clementina @ 8th & Folsom, SF. 415.331.1500x888 _Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel, weekly guests. free b4 10:30p For Technotica, call 415.764.2922 10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389 [5.12 - Julius Papp, Henrik, Garth, Carlos] _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore, SF. 415.771.2583 _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B, guests. 21+. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256 Quench - House, Ambient w/DJs Rick Preston, Ryan Tapia, guests. Ambient-Space explorations by DJ Leath and guests in the front room. 21+. The Usual, 400 South First St., San Jose. 408.535.0330 _Techsture_ - deep layers of sound w/DJs tomas, markus, guests. 8pm-12mid, All ages, Free. cafe abir, 1300 Fulton @ Divisadero, SF. 415.974.4358 subbass - jungle, drum'n'bass, trip hop w/DJs noel, abstract, jawbone. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 270 Brannan @ 2nd, SF. 415.905.8865 Monday Mushroom Jazz - acid jazz, trip hop w/DJs Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius Papp, guests. 9pm-3am, 21+, $5. 330 Ritch St, SF. 415.905.8811 _Noc Noc_ - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJs Mohsen. 21+, Free. 557 Haight St., SF. _Tongue n' Groove _- trip hop, jungle, acid jazz w/DJs tomas, seth, m.mark, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. Cat's Grill & Alley, 1190 Folsom @ 8th, SF. 415.431.3332 _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu, stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151 Folsom St, SF. _21st sensory _- abstractbeatz-hiphop-dub-drum n'bass-electro w/DJs Tomas, Abstract, guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.974.4358 _Movement_ - trance, breakbeat, jungle w/DJs Ron, Kimo, Rich, guests. 10pm-2am, 18+, $3. Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market @ Franklin, SF. Tuesday Butterfly - Hip Hop, Acid Jazz, House, Funk w/DJs Charlotte, Dani, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $2. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF. Breathe Deep - House w/DJs Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. 1015 Folsom., SF. 415.998.9515 _Begin..._ - house, trip hop, trance w/DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley, Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, Anna. 9pm-2am, All ages. The Inn of the Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati, Cotati. 707.524.4443 _Kinetic_ - Phil Salter, guests. 21+, $5. 2325 clayton road, concord. 510.946.5005 _Shoam_ - Trip-Hop & Drum n Bass Your Mama's Cafe, 5239 College, Oakland. _Succotash!_ - tasty jazz - funk - beats - space w/DJs tom thump, rasta q-tip. 21+, Free. up & down club, 1151 folsom st., SF. _supper_ - funk, acid jazz w/DJs Caspar, guests. 21+, Free. Julie's Supper Club, 1123 Folsom @ 7th, SF. 415.861.0707 _Light-n-Up Lounge_ - house w/DJs Preston, guests. 21+. 111 Minna St, SF. [5.14 - Mark Farina] _L-Tryptophan_ - ambient, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 21+, Free. 1624 California @ Van Ness, SF. _Lost in Space_ - house, hip-hop w/DJs Pause, Dark Money, Winnie B, Eric Lacy. 21+, Free. Cafe Mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF. Wednesday _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first Wednesday of the month. 10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815 _Boost_ - old school uplifting house w/DJs Jamie J, Hector the ejector. 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. 415.703.7105 _Roots_ - House, Trip Hop w/DJs Garth, Jeno, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $6. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.512.5713 _cosmic lounge _- space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle w/DJs Caspar, Paul, Seth, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF. _Reunion_ - Danny, Naz Cafe, guests. 9pm-, 21+, Free. The Fulton Bar, 1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332 _Quantum_ - trance w/DJs Myster-e, Mars, guests. $3. tHE pOWERhOUSE, 1347 fOLSOM. 415.861.1833 _Thirsty_ - tasty house tunes and even better company w/DJs Jellybear, Jay-J, top notch guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Top, 424 Haight St, SF. _The Lounge_ - 9pm-3am, 21+. 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento. 916.922.8041x4240 _Bubbles_ - deep funky techno house music w/DJs Don Crisp (Crisp Records), guests. starts May 1. 9pm-2am, 21+. Babylon, 2260 Van Ness @ Vallejo, SF. 415.567.1222 _Wish_ - techno, house w/DJs guests weekly. Lighting by EyeTribe 18+. Bahia, 1600 Market St, SF. 415.436.0663 [5.15 - Henrik] [5.22 - Grover] _Belief_ - house w/DJs Julius Papp, Harry Who?, Rick Preston. begins 5.22. 10pm-, 21+. Agenda basement, 1st & San Salvador, San Jose. _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Fatline - 415.207.3668 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.568.1338 * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Monday afternoon 12:30-3:00 pm - DJ Jerecho presents the best of the urban polyrhythmic experience jungle, acid jazz, techno, electro, breakbeat KDVS, 90.3 FM (Davis) * Wednesday night/Thursday morning 3am-6am - "Aural Fixation" experimental sounds of ambient and trip hop with a splash of hi nrg, from trance to jungle. KZSC 88.1 fm (Santa Cruz) * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" Beats and atmospherics w/DJ Seth. KALX 90.7 (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Ambient, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, Acid Jazz and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF) * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1 KMEL. * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@flux.net * Saturday night - "Saturday Night Spin Out" w/Ronnie Libido. Trip hop, Jungle, Ambient, Experimental Sounds. 10pm-2am. KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Saturday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. and Monkeywrench KZSU 90.1 (Stanford) _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with either the line subscribe sfraves-calendar or unsubscribe sfraves-calendar There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with the line subscribe sfraves in the body of the message. Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 17:54:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA07910; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:54:54 -0700 Received: from ns.mauswerks.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA07904; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:54:51 -0700 Received: from [17.127.19.189] ([17.127.19.189]) by ns.mauswerks.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA17451 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:23:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199605100023.RAA17451@ns.mauswerks.com> Subject: Wha's up with DAT? Date: Thu, 9 May 96 17:54:19 -0700 From: Ms Phink To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello kiddies- Did anyone DAT the sfr picnic? If so, I'd like to obtain a copy of LeLe's set. Can someone help me out with this, please! I hope to see everyone at the Harmony beach thing on Sunday, I hope I can wait that long. It's only Thursday and I'm dancing around in my living room... Love ya- Ms Phink From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 18:30:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA10901; Thu, 9 May 1996 18:30:59 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA10895; Thu, 9 May 1996 18:30:54 -0700 Received: from ix11.ix.netcom.com (ix11.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.11]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA02053 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 18:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wck-ca8-09.ix.netcom.com by ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id SAA22624; Thu, 9 May 1996 18:29:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:29:21 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960509033737.371fa232@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "hey, where am I?" Subject: Re: packabowl age? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I think it said 21+ on the flyer... > >> >> I'm pretty sure that it's *all ages*. The times I've been there, I think it was all ages just to bowl, like any bowling alley would be, and it is 21+ to actually get into the separate bar area. They always card me once I try to get into the bar, but not usually before, at least so far. Love, Shawna "Deedle deedle dee, wubba wubba wubba..." %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%\|/%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%% %%%%%% %%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%%% %%%%%% %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%% %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%% %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%% %%%%% %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%%%% %%%%%% %%%%% %%%%%%%%% %%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%%% %%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 18:47:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA12209; Thu, 9 May 1996 18:47:16 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA12203; Thu, 9 May 1996 18:47:13 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.42] (pm1-ppp42.well.com [206.15.64.42]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA29577 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 18:46:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199605100146.SAA29577@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:48:36 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Need ride to "Something Free" Please help Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk As usual, my ride to Something Free fell through, so if anyone's going tommorrow night, please let me know.... Call me at 415-381-5847 or 1-800-381-5847. The Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 19:23:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA14901; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:23:12 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA14895; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:23:09 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA28907 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:22:42 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960510022702.009c2898@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 19:27:02 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: RE: Hardcopy Report Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya All; It's this type of thinkg that makes me glad I don't have a TV, cable, or a VCR. If you ever thought that throwing your TV set out your window would be fun, nows the time peoples. Come'on and join the few who just say no to TV. Peace THX1138 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 19:58:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA17843; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:58:02 -0700 Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA17829; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:57:59 -0700 Received: from unknown (crl12.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA01933 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 9 May 1996 19:53:28 -0700 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Sunset Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:53:09 GMT Message-Id: <3192af36.250739837@mail.crl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk According to the voice mail this week's Sunset will be in Southern Cal, at the beach. Wish I could go, but maybe I'll make it to Harmony. David --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ This website is not yet rated. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 20:38:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA21360; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:38:08 -0700 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA21346; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:37:59 -0700 Received: from catala.ibase.br (catala.ibase.org.br [200.18.178.3]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id AAA04846; Fri, 10 May 1996 00:37:42 -0300 Received: from du-52.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-52.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.52]) by catala.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id AAA01913; Fri, 10 May 1996 00:30:34 -0300 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:30:34 -0300 Message-Id: <199605100330.AAA01913@catala.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Re: Hard Copy Capitalism & Mass Media Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 05:46 PM 5/9/96 -0800, Nancy wrote: > >The real issues are addressing why America eats up these shows, how to >resist excessive consumerism, how to reform the mass media, and making >sure those in our own lives hear from us the real story. > It's simple. America is the land of consumism, You guys are so very used with consuming, consuming, consuming... an american can turn any good idea into profits and capitalism, even a Rave ( just take a look at most promoters..definitely into $$$ first ) I did not see this HARD COPy show, but when I used to live in the U.S., I used to watch it often, just to LOL about how your country can get stuck with such a thing as the O.J. Simpson trial... at least, most of it. Now, that this story is over, popular TV needs new villians, new heroes, new real-life soap operas.. Maybe they will just turn to Raves ( I hope they don't), and as you can't really argue with TV... you can just tell people YOUR truth and hope they believe in it ( I am sure 90% will believe in what they "saw" in Hard Copy than in your words ) Dirceu From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 20:40:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA21566; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:40:38 -0700 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA21383; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:38:17 -0700 Received: from catala.ibase.br (catala.ibase.org.br [200.18.178.3]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id AAA04852; Fri, 10 May 1996 00:37:46 -0300 Received: from du-52.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-52.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.52]) by catala.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id AAA01917; Fri, 10 May 1996 00:30:39 -0300 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:30:39 -0300 Message-Id: <199605100330.AAA01917@catala.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Melissa Wong , blkadder@value.net From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Re: Reply to Hardcopy Cc: Be 99 , sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 01:44 PM 5/9/96 -0700, Melissa Wong wrote: > > >You know, about four years ago Newsweek showed up to A Rave Called Sharon >and....... there were plenty of us who gave them positive interviews and >perspectives. What showed up in the article? People on drugs and "Do you >know where your children are when you're asleep?" That was four years ago. >Same shit different day. It seems futile to attempt to enlighten these >entertainers and babysitters. The main lesson in: NEVER TRUST JOURNALISTS ( unless you know the person or trust the vehicle this person is in) And, believe me, guys, I was a real victim of journalists by the time I used to DJ professionally ( they had this show about raves, drugs... they showed me DJing and said " Even teh music is made and spun to the enjoyment of drug users" ) I got fired from a good steady job at a law firm the next day :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 21:04:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA23657; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:04:04 -0700 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA23639; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:04:01 -0700 Received: from [128.32.91.92] (mmf22.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.92]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA30431; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 21:00:57 -0800 To: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) From: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) Subject: Re: Hard Copy Capitalism & Mass Media Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >At 05:46 PM 5/9/96 -0800, Nancy wrote: >> >>The real issues are addressing why America eats up these shows, how to >>resist excessive consumerism, how to reform the mass media, and making >>sure those in our own lives hear from us the real story. >> >It's simple. America is the land of consumism, You guys are so very used >with consuming, consuming, consuming... an american can turn any good idea >into profits and capitalism, even a Rave ( just take a look at most >promoters..definitely into $$$ first ) > >I did not see this HARD COPy show, but when I used to live in the U.S., I >used to watch it often, just to LOL about how your country can get stuck >with such a thing as the O.J. Simpson trial... at least, most of it. > >Now, that this story is over, popular TV needs new villians, new heroes, >new real-life soap operas.. Maybe they will just turn to Raves ( I hope >they don't), and as you can't really argue with TV... you can just tell >people YOUR truth and hope they believe in it ( I am sure 90% will believe >in what they "saw" in Hard Copy than in your words ) > >Dirceu Hmm, how intriguing! Where ARE you? Yes, the thought of what the rest of the world must think of Americans frightens me. If they look at the mass media of any indication...it's totally repulsive, that's why I and everyone I know detests television. We only export the worst of pop culture. Yeah, Baywatch, HardCopy and the Enquirer - that's what it means to be American! And America's and the First World's unchecked consumerism is causing mass problems for the rest of the world (environment, poverty, resources). It can't go on for much longer. Advertising is just a symptom of a consumerist mind-set (and the tyranny of capitalism) -- a mind-set that I hope is changing before we kill the earth and most of her inhabitants. Love, Nancy P.S. a lot of us support underground parties that are not profit-oriented. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 21:57:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA27354; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:57:44 -0700 Received: from bw.cea.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA27349; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:57:41 -0700 Received: (from darrin@localhost) by bw.cea.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA10470; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 21:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Darrin Fossella Subject: Psychosis - SPAZ+Pirate Audio Party Sat. 5/11/96 To: SFraves cc: terbo ted , Nathan Montesa , Darrel Etter , Brenda Stine , STAFF , INTERNS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Psychosis Sat. 5/11/96 9pm - 6am in Oakland at Compund I cost = $5 (help support our gas fund for phree summer party tour) infoline = (415)522-2398 Main Room DJ's Synthesis Jack Acid Flux Live Electronic Music by Super Purple Ape Zombies Chill Room DJ's Liquid Acrobat Ritchie the Menace Live ambience by Noisegate Sunflowerfish Jesus Early Drum Circle Happening - bring your drum... peace out keep smiling:) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 21:59:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA27464; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:59:06 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA27457; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:59:03 -0700 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id VAA13522; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:59:04 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA02921; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:59:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 21:59:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: RE: Hardcopy Report To: THX1138 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960510022702.009c2898@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 May 1996, THX1138 wrote: > Hiya All; > > It's this type of thinkg that makes me glad I don't have a TV, > cable, or a VCR. If you ever thought that throwing your TV set out your > window would be fun, nows the time peoples. Come'on and join the few who > just say no to TV. > > Peace > THX1138 > > TV? What's a TV? oh... you mean that ugly piece of flickering furniture. Gods, I threw that out years ago. Took too much time from dancing! Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (Theatre is life, film is art, TV is furniture.) / -=*=-/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 22:25:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA29165; Thu, 9 May 1996 22:25:09 -0700 Received: from ix13.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA29155; Thu, 9 May 1996 22:25:07 -0700 Received: from wck-ca13-20.ix.netcom.com by ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id WAA04301; Thu, 9 May 1996 22:23:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:23:30 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960509073308.2e173296@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: shawna-@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "hey, where am I?" Subject: Fwd: Re: packabowl age? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well folks, here's the answer to the Big Question on packabowl's age limit! I think tracy meant to send this to sfraves, but inadvertently sent it to me instead: -shawna ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Pac a bowl has always been All Ages unless you are drinking alcohol then you must show your id. I hope to see you all there....dj Tracy >hey, where am I? wrote: >> >> >I think it said 21+ on the flyer... >> > >> >> >> >> I'm pretty sure that it's *all ages*. >> >> The times I've been there, I think it was all ages just to bowl, like any >> bowling alley would be, and it is 21+ to actually get into the separate bar >> area. They always card me once I try to get into the bar, but not usually >> before, at least so far. >> >> Love, >> Shawna >> >> "Deedle deedle dee, wubba wubba wubba..." >> >> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%\|/%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> %%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> %%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%% >> %%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%% >> %%%%%% %%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%% >> %%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%%% %%%%%% >> %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%% >> %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%% >> %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%% >> %%%%% %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%%%% >> %%%%%% %%%%% %%%%%%%%% %%%%% %%%%%%% >> %%%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%% %%%%%%%% >> %%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%% >> %%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%% >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 22:31:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA29604; Thu, 9 May 1996 22:31:15 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA29599; Thu, 9 May 1996 22:31:13 -0700 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id WAA16918; Thu, 9 May 1996 22:31:13 -0700 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id WAA06772; Thu, 9 May 1996 22:31:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:31:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy C Cone Subject: leg stretchin' time =) To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all! Looks like I'm goin' to the Harmony Beach Party Babylon ;)! It is going to be soooooooooooo good to get out and DANCE! I'm going early to help out Greg and crew and will probably stay late to help clean up, so it will be really easy to find me. Remember, long brown pony tail with short hair on sides and front (can you say mudflap?), blond imperial, blu eyes, 6 foot tall, and SKINNY (at least I feel that way). Green khaki shorts for daytime and baggy blu jeans at night. I may also be videotaping for a student project and airing the piece on Santa Cruz public access TV if it turns out well. So wear your best folks! ;) Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (boogie, boogie, boogie!) / -=*=-/ \_/ " From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 22:36:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA00120; Thu, 9 May 1996 22:36:16 -0700 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA29993; Thu, 9 May 1996 22:36:04 -0700 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0uHks1-0001zFC; Thu, 9 May 96 22:36 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:36:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Hardie To: nw-raves@hyperreal.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: re* my tim leary post :) (NRR) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk thanx for everyone's varied and interesting responses :) now that i've heard from your different points of view i i feel better about the whole thing ... there's a part of me that just feels kinda weird about it, but i'm not so flabbergasted as i was before. i wonder what William Burroughs will do? k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 23:17:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA02463; Thu, 9 May 1996 23:17:23 -0700 Received: from elaine19.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA02458; Thu, 9 May 1996 23:17:21 -0700 Received: (from mohack@localhost) by elaine19.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA08055; Thu, 9 May 1996 23:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristofer Ananda Carrison To: sfraves Subject: Who? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Who was it that recently wrote a paper on raving? Is it posted somewhere on the web? Anybody know the address? Seisure Lather, Krishna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu May 9 23:24:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA02995; Thu, 9 May 1996 23:24:28 -0700 Received: from cyberE.creative.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA02990; Thu, 9 May 1996 23:24:22 -0700 Received: from [204.71.217.71] (a2port7.creative.net [204.71.217.71]) by cyberE.creative.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA22140 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 23:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605100619.XAA22140@cyberE.creative.net> X-Sender: bigz@creative.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) Subject: Microsoft Commercial/Chemical Bros. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Has anyone seen this commercial? Kind of Bummed me out. Though I love Chemical Bros., it kind of upset me that they would license their music to Microsoft. Would'nt it have been more interesting if Microsoft had written their own music for their own commercial! I know they're trying to play off my emotions but... Jon Zimmerman (415)664-6645 bigz@bigz.com http://www.bigz.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 10 00:17:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA08582; Fri, 10 May 1996 00:17:30 -0700 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA08573; Fri, 10 May 1996 00:17:26 -0700 Received: from [206.15.64.57] (pm1-ppp57.well.com [206.15.64.57]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA02012; Fri, 10 May 1996 00:16:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199605100716.AAA02012@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:18:35 +1000 To: Tinsau From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: B2B Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >That sounds like a good place to meet. I will have to remember to bring >my laminate just for this. Are there others running this as well? I was thinking of doing it also, after a Sat Night rave... Da Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 10 00:41:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA09811; Fri, 10 May 1996 00:41:56 -0700 Received: from SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA09805; Fri, 10 May 1996 00:41:52 -0700 Received: from INX-10225.planet-jubip.com ([205.158.224.135]) by SanFrancisco01.POP.InterNex.Net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11028) with SMTP id AAA9119; Fri, 10 May 1996 00:41:24 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960510074546.00f142b4@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net> X-Sender: INX-10225b@sanfrancisco01.pop.internex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_831739546==_" Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:45:46 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "THX1138" Subject: FYI Cc: Ulrike Laitko X-Attachments: E:\EUDORA\attach\pihkal114.html; Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk --=====================_831739546==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hiya All; The attachment is sample of what can be found on a very interesting site (http://www.damicon.fi/drugs/pihkal/pihkal/pihkal.html). Being a technologist I was very impressed by the amount of technical detail that was available there. I hope you find the sample I've provided you as technically interesting as I did, thanks. Peace THX1138 --=====================_831739546==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pihkal114.html" PiHKAL #114 MDOH

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#114 MDOH; N-HYDROXY-MDA; 3,4-METHYLENEDIOXY-N-HYDROXYAMPHETAMINE

SYNTHESIS: To a well stirred solution of 14.8 g hydroxylamine hydrochloride in 120 mL MeOH there was added 3.6 g of 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone (see under MDMA for its preparation) followed by 1.0 g sodium cyanoborohydride. The oxime, prepared from the ketone and hydroxylamine in MeOH with pyridine, may be substituted for these two components. Concentrated HCl was added over the course of a couple of days, to keep the pH near neutrality. When the reaction was complete, it was added to H2O, made strongly acidic with HCl, and washed with 3x100 mL CH2Cl2. The aqueous phase was made basic with 25% NaOH, and reextracted with 3x100 mL of CH2Cl2. The extracts were pooled, and the solvent removed under vacuum to give 1.7 g of an oily residue which, with pumping under a hard vacuum for a few minutes, changed to a white solid. This can be Kugelrohred if the vacuum is sufficiently good to keep the temperature during the distillation below 100 °C. The extremely viscous distillate formed crystals immediately upon wetting with IPA. It was dissolved in 20 mL of warm IPA and neutralized with concentrated HCl, with the titration end-point being red rather than orange on universal pH paper. Modest addition of Et2O allowed the formation of 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-hydroxyamphetamine hydrochloride (MDOH) as white crystals, which weighed 1.4 g when air dried. If the temperature of distillation exceeded 100 °C, there was extensive decomposition during distillation, with the formation of 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) and the oxime of the ketone. Under these circumstances, the only base isolated was MDA. The surest isolation procedure was to obtain MDOH as the free base, as a crystalline solid which could be recrystallized from 5 volumes of boiling IPA. The free base had a mp of 94-95 °C (and should not be confused with the oxime of 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone which has a mp of 86-88 °C since the mixed mp is depressed, mp 56-62 °C, or with the free base of MDA which is an oil). Anal. (C10H13NO3) N. The hydrochloride salt had a mp of 149-150 °C (and should not be confused with the hydrochloride of MDA which has a mp of 185-186 °C since the mixed mp is depressed, mp 128-138 °C). Anal. (C10H14ClNO3) N. Acetic anhydride can serve as a useful tool for distinguishing these materials. MDA gives an N-acetyl derivative with an mp of 92-93 °C. MDOH gives an N,O-diacetyl derivative with a mp of 72-74 °C. Methylenedioxyphenylacetone oxime gives an O-acetyl derivative that is an oil.

DOSAGE: 100 - 160 mg.

DURATION: 3 - 6 h.

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 100 mg) I felt hampered the first hour by some internal barrier, which prevented total enjoyment. However, this began to break through in a wonderful way just before the supplement was offered. Since I felt I was beginning to move through the barrier, I declined the supplement, particularly since I was anxious to compare the after-effects with my first experience. I had found the first time very remarkable, but felt unusually tired for several days following. I feel it is important to know whether this is a specific drug-induced effect, or the result of psychological phenomena. The experience continued in a rich, meaningful