From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 00:36:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA24530; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:36:17 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA24522; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:36:14 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id AAA13983; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:36:10 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id AAA08431; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:36:09 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:36:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: Re: A dumb but unanswered question To: Beau Burke cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603010316.TAA16801@rio.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk as in starkravingMadgraphics...did visuals for vision and harmony recently...just thought i'd toss that out... On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Beau Burke wrote: > At 06:51 PM 2/29/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Here's an ignorant question, but one that's never been explained to me > >actually. Where did the term "rave" come from? Why is it raving? > >Just curious! > > I always assumed that it was just a description of the typical > dancer's condition. As in, "stark-raving mad." :) > > > Love and hugs > | > --|-- Beau Burke http://www.rio.com/~b_burke > -|- --------------------------------PLUR!------------------------------- > --|-- "We dont know where it came from, we can't imagine where it's going." > | > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 00:47:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA25377; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:47:28 -0800 Received: from interverse.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA25372; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:47:25 -0800 Received: from [206.138.118.108] (pma2_108.loop.com [206.138.118.108]) by interverse.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA03319; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 02:20:57 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:49:33 -0800 To: "anne petrie" , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: cpu101@interverse.com (pantha rei) Subject: Re: Deadheads & Ravers Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ... some of us in 1991 dragged a sound system to the parking lot of a 'Dead' show, with Garth, Jeno and myself playing at the Shoreline Amphitheatre. We did it sensing a kinship with the lifestyle, beliefs and philosophical trips of the nomadic 'heads'. We felt the same somehow, only the music 'seemed' different. Those without tickets eventually wandered towards the group of people who caravaned with us that lovely spring morning. They gathered slowly, Curious about the generator, the speakers, a van with two turntables and some guy playing records, they watched approvingly. Noticing the smiling faces, and the freestyle abandon of the dancers, they too joined the swelling circle of people that gathered in that part of the lot, granted to us by the establishment themselves after seeing the number of ticket-less people who now didn't mind not having a ticket, as long as they can continue to have a good time. I remember two travellers who couldn't get in to the show asked, "what kind of music is this?". "It sounds kind of like disco, but trippy, hypnotic". I'm certain they were familiar with the swirling, percussive, psychedelic elements of the music, not just that some of us were dressed in the same loose-fitting, comfortable clothing, that some of us braid our hair, that we seemed to enjoy the same universal tenets and leisurely recreations (cloud #420) or any of the stereo- typical trademarks that "deadheads" or "hippies" are supposed to have... no waaay maaan... we are diverse. Just seems different, really all the same. Know what I mean? I remember when I played again, looking up and seeing the same two who thought the music to be disco, now themselves dancing in abandon, along with several hundred others, happy, dancing on top of vans and cars. The moment was so NOW it remains timelessly clear. There was a vision then, it exists even now, especially with Jerry's passing. No longer an unbroken string of generations to enjoy the festive atmosphere that accompanied traveling with the 'dead'. A lifestyle that seems to fulfill a nomadic need by even our generation. The need to travel and "see how the other half lives", making more local our perception of this global village. Think global, act local, right? Know global more local and we'll all care more about this world as a whole. The first "Full Moon" party at Baker Beach that fog-cold winter evening in 1991, and what it became, is testament to the almost genetic need to be free, to explore and congregate, to be outdoors, beyond the confines of a wall-lined club or room. Beyond the restrictions, expectations and local leases on our lives. The spirited feeling of "the sounds in the air", swirling, "will make you move and move"... and change your life, forever. In England, circa 1987, Raves (for lack of a better word) as we know, started with names like "Sunrise" and "Energy", growing larger and moving outdoors, drawing the attention of "crusties" and "travellers", who were accustomed to the great outdoors of the festival circuit and accustomed to ancient beliefs, modern simplicities, and a slight aversion to soap, they began mixing in with these technomadic, body-jacking, week-end long enthusiasts of this strange, repetitive, bass-blistering, percussion-driven sound that they were calling "acid house". The cry was: Birth School Acid House Death and a generation was born. Countless lives were changed, for the better. Ethics and beliefs were revived from the ashes of the sixties. Tuned in, and turning on there computers and most definately not dropping out. The same possibility exists for America. All those that enjoy this music seem to enjoy it as much, if not more freely, in the great outdoors. I see the future of ravers and deadheads, as being the same. Festivals like the "Country Fair" in Oregon on Ken Kesey's land every year in July, is the sort of festive atmosphere a lot of different people can enjoy. Truly a Tribal Gathering. Autonomous Zones that are not only temporary, but transient as well. As I sit here, solid plans are being made for large outdoor festivals, sponsored by people who understand, and feel the collective potential in this new breed. NO SELL OUT. A paradigm shift of tremendous magnitude is to occur, and we should play a major part in it. Maybe we can't save the world by ourselves, but we can certainly save ourselves. The music and the experience is a pathway to a comfort zone of understanding. One of many paths... one that we enjoy. Thinking good thoughts and making moments count... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 01:01:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA26435; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 01:01:15 -0800 Received: from interverse.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA26428; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 01:01:12 -0800 Received: from [206.138.118.108] (pma2_108.loop.com [206.138.118.108]) by interverse.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA03353; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 02:34:46 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 01:03:28 -0800 To: Milton Cecil , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: cpu101@interverse.com (pantha rei) Subject: Re: mama say mama sa mama soka Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ...isn't it "mama say mama sa mama kosa"... ? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 01:46:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA00646; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 01:46:28 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA00640; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 01:46:26 -0800 Received: from [153.36.103.54] (Cust49.Max5.San-Francisco.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.102.49]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA20705 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 01:45:59 -0800 X-Sender: leftjab@mail.well.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 01:48:13 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: leftjab@well.com (leftjab) Subject: Deadheads/Ravers -- we are everywhere. . . Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I thought I de-lurk and introduce myself to all you wonderful souls on this subject, as it's near and dear to my heart and my recent introduction into raving. My intro to the Dead was in college, but when I landed in Berkeley afterwards 7 years ago I didn't quite appreciate what I would get myself into. When I first combined mushrooms with a show and met the "group mind" on 12/31/89 a gradual journey begun that led me to more shows (the majority not psychedelic, just filled w/cannibliss; my only pre-rave e experience was at a show) and the awareness of different possibilities of consciousness and living. Cutting to the chase, despite my ripeness for the rave experience, including musical aspects, and Ethan's Oakland Coliseum parking lot blowouts, i was never exposed until the Dec. '95 Chrysalis. I really had no idea what I was getting into, just that my friend Carin thought I'd like it. Needless to say, I was blown away, by the energy in the people, the music, the lighting, the vibe. The Dec. 9 Chrysalis was "coincidentally" the day after the Dead officially called it quits, which was pretty much inevitable after Jerry's death in August. But there had been rumors of new band members and maybe a summer tour just before the announcement, so it was a little surprise it happened when it did. I recognized the parallel universes between the scenes immediately. As one door closes, another opens. Serendipity was a hallmark of my Deadhead existence, and it's obviously there for me with raves as well. (BTW, loved Dave SCruton's list of similarities between deadheads and ravers; unfortunately, they also both share police harrassment, public misconceptions, long bathroom lines, getting each other sick, lack of venues -- but it's worth these hassles). The rave scene is one manifestation of what Deadheads often liked to say -- take the show with you wherever you go, and understand that you were part of the show too. Hopefully, the fact that rave music and the scene couldn't be as ultimately dependent on one person as the Dead scene was will keep raves evolving permanently. Peace, leftjab (Jonathan) See ya all on Saturday. . . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 01:54:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA01200; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 01:54:34 -0800 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA01195; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 01:54:31 -0800 From: Begroovy@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA15042 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 04:54:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 04:54:39 -0500 Message-ID: <960301045436_157266359@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Money, Dead, raving etc. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thought I would add some personal views to the topics at hand. I too was involved in the dead scene and am presently involved in the party thang and unfortunately perplexed by our materialistic society. Both scenes pulled in what I consider the possitive (spiritual) forces of our culture. Caring, sharing, trusting, loving, laughing and dancing are the human desires that created the force in both scenes. These desires got the ball rolln in both scenes. The dead (or wicked or the gathering or FnF......) worked hard to create a forum to share their desires. The forum was the dead show or the party. People became attracted to these possitive forces and the scene grew and grew and grew..... Some people have different desires. Both scenes have also attracted what I consider negative (material) forces of our culture. Greed, wealth, intolerance, hatred, anger and oppression are human desires that have evolved in both scenes. The universe is ruled by opposite forces. Magnets have two poles. We cannot have happy people without having angry people to measure them by. Wealth can only be assessed by examining poverty.............. Both scenes have blossomed, out of what I consider possitive forces. These forces are what attracted me. I evolved out of the dead scene when the band's desires changed from what I considered possitive. The desire had changed from having a good time to keeping the economic ball rolling. The negative forces ironically overtook the scene? They were not enjoying what they were doing and it showed in their stage performance. I will continue to support the scenes that blossom out of my possitive desires. The party scene is still blossoming. The present party scene has alot to learn from the dead scene. It took the dead over 30 years to grow! I hope to be on the beach dancing under the full moon for many years to come!! PEACE!!! CID From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 02:20:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA06808; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:20:49 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA06803; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:20:46 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA26538; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:20:37 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9603010220.ZM26536@well> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:20:36 -0800 In-Reply-To: "anne petrie" "Re: Deadheads & Ravers" (Feb 29, 12:03pm) References: <960229175115_71165.755_GHL146-1@CompuServe.COM> <9602291203.ZM6364@isis.source.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: "anne petrie" , Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Deadheads & Ravers Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've been a Deadhead and a raver for a long time. My interest in the Dead started in the mid-1970s but I didn't go to many shows until 1984. It has been a major formative experience, so many stories! After 1990 things started sliding pretty severely in the scene, and after 1992 Jerry Garcia just seemed to lose interest somewhat and the shows, while still enjoyable, lost the magical edge for me anyway. But I'm not about to cast any major judgements on it; my biggest impression from the time right after Garcia's death last August was how the old-timers like me were just marginal in the scene by that point. The band gave immense enjoyment and some wisdom to many people -- that's tribute enough. In the meantime, in the early 1990s I came out of my long musical hibernation and returned to my roots in soul and funk when I dived into the house/techno/rave scene. I expect to be immersed in the electronic dance music/future jazz milieu for at least as long as I was actively involved in the Dead scene! One of my most memorable nights, and it was perhaps a crossover of sorts for me, was when I went to see the Dead play Cal Expo in Sacramento one night in May 1992. Right after the show I caught a ride back to SF and went to my first event at 177 Townsend, a place which is little known in our current scene but played a pivotal role in the development of the SF rave community. Had a great time at both events that night! phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 02:24:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA07462; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:24:01 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA07443; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:23:57 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA26941; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:23:54 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9603010223.ZM26939@well> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:23:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: Derek Chung "The Leap Day SFR Calendar!" (Feb 29, 2:11pm) References: <199602292211.OAA16570@taz.hyperreal.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Derek Chung , sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Subject: Re: The Leap Day SFR Calendar! Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com (SFR Calendar) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow, *seven* one-off events tonight, that must be some kind of record! phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 02:48:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA11146; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:48:42 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA11140; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:48:39 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA00035 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:48:36 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 02:48:36 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Message-Id: <199603011048.CAA00035@well.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: my winter vacation pt. 2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Where did I leave off? Oh yeah . . . Sunday was a work day . . . Monday too, I got up early and went down to Santa Clara where I checked out an upcoming network installation job. What a hoot, Portland raver does network consulting in Silicon Valley :) Finally, back Monday evening for MAD at the Bahia on Market St. I had really been looking forward to this, as it was basically my public debut playing techno (which I've been spinning somewhat all along, and more intently for the last six months). MAD has turned into a very nice event, not too crowded this night but plenty of people and a relaxed atmosphere. Also, the musical range seems a bit wider than before, based on what I heard Joe Rice and Jon Santos playing, which is a very good sign. I liked my set pretty well, it was a bit sloppy at the start but I began with Claude Young's excellent junglistic reworking of Jacob's Optical Stairway and then played the classic gospel-influenced Detroit house track, "The Question," one of Terrence Parker's best efforts, in honor of Ken Collier, the unheralded mentor of the Detroit underground music scene. Ken was a house DJ who ran clubs and did radio shows for years in Detroit until he passed away last week. Those of us who had the honor of meeting him and hearing him play grasped some of the real roots of this scene, those like Ken who helped set the stage for the really good parts, the great music and PLUR. He encouraged the many new DJs and recording artists in Detroit over the last two decades and I can't say enough for how that kind of support, as low key as it may be, is crucial to the development of a real musical scene. >From there I went on to play a bunch more housey techno, even managed to slip in a Jeff Mills track while nobody was looking (!) and closed up with the grand old Havana "Skyhat", a great house/techno crossover track from the ancient days of 1993. I have to say I started slow and sloppy and never really hit the groove, but it was a blast and I want to thank the MAD crew -- Joe Rice, Ethan, Jon, Dave, the Gateway crew and anyone else I'm neglecting -- for inviting me to play. It made my month! Now I'm back in Portland and getting ready to participate in a bunch of small parties here at home. I'm optimistic that if we go back to the roots here for a while we can emerge with a new direction for this crazy and wonderful thing, just as has happened in SF and elsewhere . . . peace phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 07:26:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA03933; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:26:19 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA03927; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:26:13 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id HAA09010; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:24:41 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:24:41 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: know thine enemy Cc: geoffw@eit.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, mayer@netcom.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >At 02:34 PM 2/29/96 -0800, Rocky Mullin wrote: >> >> if he goes far enough that will definately help enable >> a decent revolution. too bad so many of us would have >> to die in the process. > >Word. As Malcolm X said, "The price of freedom? The price of freedom is death." People will reveal their true colors as Buke (rhymes with Duke) gets closer to being nominated. I hope he dredges up as many fears as possible, and allow all of the scum who have HIS ideas rise to the top. As Farrakhan said, "We're long overdue for a showdown anyway!", and I agree. People in this country are complacent, and rather racist overall. Everyone is in their seperate camps anyway, which would make it seem as though the supremacist ideals Buke aspouses would cause great damage. I tend to think it will unite a wide group of people from all corners. Yes, it will be the start of a bloody, and deadly revolution second only to our civil war, and I welcome it. Face it, there is NO ROOM for racist ideas in a multi-cultural society. Spout that first amendment nonsense all one wishes, there just isn't room for those ideas in our society, period. So i'm down for the fight against the right. Since many of them aren't down to sit down and talk, then neither am I. They want to get guns and supress my people further (via racist laws, racist policies, racist institutions), then let's go ahead and get it on! Once this rubbish rises to the top, maybe then it will be the best opportunity this country has had to deal with it by suqashing it, like the infectious virus it is. There is really only one question. Whose side will you be on. As for sitting at a table and discussing someones supremacy over me, untenable. We can deal at the table as equals only, anything else should and would not be considered. > >> >>On Feb 29, 7:05am, Geoff White wrote: >>> Subject: Re: know thine enemy >>> At 03:45 AM 2/29/96 -0800, Niels P. Mayer wrote: >>> > >>> >Or at least, remember to not live in states where buchanan has won. >>> >Unless, of course, you're into fascism... >>> > >>> >>> The man is a fool pure and simple, but he'a also a scary fool, >>> it wouldn't surprise me if he goes far. >>> > > >It makes me shudder to think what that would mean if he even won the >republican nomination. Still maybe that is what's needed to get people >off their butts and stop taking our election process for granted. I think Buke is the best thing to happen to this country since white bread. I am GLAD he's winning, I am glad he has chosen the issues that he has, and I am glad he's bringing it to the front of the debate. Maybe then, we have the best opportunity to RID this place of the vermin he attracts, and rid this nation of the ideas he aspouses. Let all of those silly fools vote for him. If he wins it will be due not only to those supremacist factions, but due to complacency and lost hope of the millions of disenfranchised here. Sad, but true. One can only hope, as GeoffW said, that this will serve to mobilize people. Cuz' if it doesn't happen via the ballot, then it is time for the bullet. This will be rather ugly. As we progress into the 21st century, I am losing hope that we, as a people, have the guts to face our past, deal with that history and move on. Americans have a tendecny to want to move on before correcting problems. Thus, the rise of a Buke, or Farrakhan are predictable under such circumstances. As Malcolm said, the chickens are coming home to roost. I don't think America is really ready for her next revolution that will pit those Bukeites against people of color and women. I don't think the people who vote for Buke understand that they will NEVER roll back the clock so that we have "Driving Miss Daisy" as he standard for black white relations, or into the lilly white future as portryed by the book and movie "A Handmaids Tale". I also don't think America can continue to lock up 50% of the African population here without something giving way. I for one am growing increasingly impatient with a minority (those who run this country), telling the majority (those of us who don't run this country), what to do, how to act, and who will be punished according to standards that do not equally apply (funny how everyone jumps on Affirmative Action, but are silent when it comes to the racist drug laws, racist immigration laws, and institutions both public and private that discriminate agaisnt people of color and women). A note: Affirmative Action when applied, does work. Looking at the prison population, which is now 51% African, we know that recruitment efforts ARE working, in fact they have reversed the trend of a majority white prison population, to one that is much more representative of the REAL problem, Africans. ;) I also know that women should/might be feeling especially fearful. They (Repubs, Bukeites) basically want to make sure that women assume thier natural station as vessels and baby making sex machines for the future society (I have often wondered why the abortion debate involves men at all. Couldn't have anything to do with falling birth rates, low sperm counts and the like now could it?). I think sisters (i.e Women) will rise to the challenge as well. I volunteer to be the first to throw the molotav cocktail at any repressive MF who dares try to jail me, or put me in the back of the bus. In other words: IT'S ON! Negotiation? A non-option. Live free or die. First stop, city hall. (BTW: Please do not make the mistake of thinking that because you're in the bay area we're free. Quite the contrary, this will be the FIRST place to be under lockdown when the TIME comes. Freedom costs plenty!). This country needs an enema, JSL go pat go. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 07:44:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA05753; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:44:25 -0800 Received: from tiberium.circ.gwu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA05746; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:44:23 -0800 Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by tiberium.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA12318 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:42:32 -0500 Received: (from naderzad@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA27413; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:44:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:44:13 -0500 (EST) From: Ali Naderzad Subject: hello To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi... i'm writing from Washington DC... i'm usually on the NE-RAVES mailing list but decided to sub to yours for a while... i'm lookin for someone and hope you might be to help.. her name is Renella Ramey... we both went to Westmont HS in Campbell (near San Jose), back in 87-88... Renella must now be about 22... back in those days she had bleached hair, a biker jacket (even in the month of August) and worshipped Danny Elfman (Oingo Boingo) and Peter Murphy... she also was friends with a guy called Tim Ater... who for a while worked at Tower (also near Campbell-Los Gatos)... anyway... if you have info re: renella please get back to me! i would be very grateful. .... thank you.... ali From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 09:09:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA15467; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:09:09 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA15461; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:09:06 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA10486 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:09:00 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA26469; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:09:00 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02776; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:08:56 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:12:38 -0800 To: ameba From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: A dumb but unanswered question Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is correct. Witness the LP "Having a Rave-up with the Yardbirds" (by The Yardbirds, of course), which came out in the '60s. >"rave", as a slang term as early as the 60's and perhaps before, >meant:to stay up all night dancing. >-- >salutations, allen@ameba >_____________________________________ >ameba 1732 haight street sf ca 94117 >mailto:ameba@netcom.com >http://www.ameba.com | \ >415.750.9368 | \ >===================================== > | / > | / From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 09:32:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA18029; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:32:23 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18018; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:32:18 -0800 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA17554; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:31:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:31:01 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Fogel Subject: Re: An Old Fart Looks At The Scene To: Quaker State Tapioca Rupture cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603010344.TAA12612@netcom11.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Quaker State Tapioca Rupture wrote: > I too am older -- 41 -- and have been lurking here for a few weeks. > > > It's also encouraging, because I've been kind of reticent to check > it out for fear of feeling out of place. Hmm, maybe I'll check it > out... so if y'all see an Old Fart looking a little bashful by the > sidelines, give 'im a smile. > There is many of us old farts in this scene. I'm 36, but very rarely ever feel like an old fart in this scene. There are no age barriers in the place of love for the music. Welcome, :) peter From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 09:36:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA17430; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:26:31 -0800 Received: from relay.hp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA17423; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:26:28 -0800 Received: from hpcc119.corp.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA028071186; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:26:27 -0800 Received: by hpcc119.corp.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA040350876; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:21:18 -0800 From: Scott Basford Message-Id: <199603011721.AA040350876@hpcc119.corp.hp.com> Subject: Re: The Leap Day SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 1 Mar 96 9:21:15 PST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Is there a Wicked this Saturday night? I didn't see it mentioned in the calendar. If there is, who is the special guest? Keep smiling, Scott. -------------------- basfords@corp.hp.com -------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 09:46:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA19751; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:46:38 -0800 Received: from eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA19745; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:46:35 -0800 Received: from sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id JAA03391; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:45:32 -0800 Received: from ifs2.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11726; Fri, 1 Mar 96 09:45:30 PST Date: Fri, 1 Mar 96 09:45:30 PST From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Message-Id: <9603011745.AA11726@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, shawna-@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: A dumb but unanswered question Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> Here's an ignorant question, but one that's never been explained to me >> actually. Where did the term "rave" come from? Why is it raving? It came from the 1965 album "Having a Rave-Up with the Yardbirds" - the Yardbirds being a legendary early British blues band that had at various times Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck and (I think!) Eric Clapton.... jim thompson - cube root fact axon info grid data fate ::: ..::. ....: ::::.:::::: . ....::... :: .:..::::: ....:::.....::.:::::::::.. .. :..::::: .:.:..:.. ..: ...::::..:. . ...:: : .... :........:.: ..... ::... .::::::: ...:::: ... :..... ..::... :::..:::....:: .:......::.. :::::.:: ::..... LISTEN until you UNDERSTAND! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 10:15:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA22364; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:15:11 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA22351; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:15:08 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA28850 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:15:06 -0800 Received: (from fwolf@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA05097; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:13:20 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:13:20 -0800 (PST) From: Frederick William Wolf Subject: Derrick May To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anybody know when Derrick May and/or Stacey Pullen are hitting the decks tonight? - fred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 10:22:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA23072; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:22:10 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23050; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:22:05 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA24988; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199603011822.KAA24988@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: The Leap Day SFR Calendar! To: dhchung@hyperreal.com (Derek Chung) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:22:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199602292211.OAA16570@taz.hyperreal.com> from "Derek Chung" at Feb 29, 96 02:11:19 pm URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Sunday > > _ Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel, weekly > guests. free b4 10:30p 10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. > 415.974.9389 This weekend's guest DJ is Terry Mullen from Chicago... -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 10:31:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA24043; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:31:52 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA24026; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:31:45 -0800 Received: (robj@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA29580; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:02:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:02:57 -0800 From: Rob Jellinghaus Message-Id: <199603011802.KAA29580@shellx.best.com> To: cpu101@interverse.com (pantha rei) Subject: Re: mama say mama sa mama soka Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From: cpu101@interverse.com (pantha rei) >...isn't it "mama say mama sa mama kosa"... ? Actually I remember the lyrics from _Thriller_ (yes, I bought it at age 12 or however the hell old I was then) as mama se mama sa ma ma coo sa though even that might be off by a few characters.... Rob Jellinghaus robj@best.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 10:45:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA25636; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:45:23 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25629; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:45:20 -0800 Received: from [204.62.132.108] (ra.wired.com [204.62.132.108]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA12641 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:45:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:46:30 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: deluxe@slip.net (Brian Benitez) Subject: Again! BSP - Derrick May Live via RealAudio Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I forgot to mention yesterday that this event is being produced with the kind assistance of ManMadeMedia http://www.manmade.com and Transmat as a part of their West Coast Tour http://www.manmade.com/transmat.html Friday, 1 March 6 to 8 p.m. PST (Saturday, 02:00 to 04:00 GMT) DJ Derrick May Derrick May, pioneer of techno and master behind the celebrated album Rhythim is Rhythim, has finally returned. Club Wired hosts a chat with May about where electronic music went wrong, along with a live DJ set from the HotWired studios. http://www.hotwired.com/feedback/ We will be broadcasting to the net via RealAudio, providing both 14.4 and 28.8 streams. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Brian Benitez Audio Engineer, HotWired benitez@hotwired.com http://www.hotwired.com/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 11:05:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27882; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:05:21 -0800 Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27871; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:05:16 -0800 Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aoaioxxysz.organic.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA17815 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:05:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603011905.LAA17815@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> To: San Francisco Massif Subject: Re: purchasing mixes on CD In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:41:39 MST." Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 11:05:42 -0800 From: ozymandias G desiderata Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Amy Starkey, Paragon of Loveliness, said: >> I'm looking for mixes that some of the local DJ's (Jano, spun, >> Garth, etc.) might have made on CD. I've seen Garht's "No Rest For >> The Wicked" CD, but that's it. I'm also wondering where to buy >> them, especially if it's in the San Jose area (it's closer to >> home). Many thanks to any and all replies. ARS> ARS> Spun also came out with a mix CD right after Garth's in 1993 and it is ARS> called "If You Turn On". It is kinda mellow and trippy - not really ARS> Spun's style if you ask me, but I really like the CD. You might try ARS> Ameba on Haight....they may still carry it. I dunno about SJ locations. Back in The Day (tm), that is _exactly_ what Spun sounded like: slow, trippy, breakbeat house with a healthy dose of that old-school Detroit flavor. I avidly collect mixtapes of his from that period. He's the first DJ I ever heard spin Underground Resistance's "Final Frontier" (one of the finest techno tracks ever recorded). I used to eagerly anticipate his rare visits to Portland, because at that point I thought that he had the most unique and well-defined sound of any of the West Coast DJs (except maybe Doc). I don't know what happened to him. I'll leave it at that. ;) While we're talking about mixed CDs, I have to heartily recommend the N-Fusion Volume 2 CD, with chunks mixed by Monty and Markem. It's a few years old, but it's _packed_ with classic tunes and just exudes that smokey, left-coast flavor. Monty, of course, is the same Monty that spun at this last weekend's Friends'n'Family, and is a champ of a guy, as well as a mighty DJ. He claims that this CD is hard to find, but I happen to know where a few secret caches of it exist. :) So keep your eyes open. Also, on a more commercial note, for awhile the Doc Martin mix CD (_Urbmix: Flammable Liquid_) was pretty much nailed into my CD player. Primo house, trance, and smooth techno put together by one of the few true masters of the mixing arts (I can't _stand_ house anymore, but I'll walk miles out of my way to hear Doc spin). And while we're talking about SoCal DJs, I've heard tell that Taylor's _United DJs of America_ disc isn't too bad. yrz, ozymandias ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Ravers Suck Our Sound (415)284-6888 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ:: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 11:08:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA24726; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:38:23 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA24707; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:38:19 -0800 Received: from [205.162.25.17] (morph.wicked.com [205.162.25.17]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA25282 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:38:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:38:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: wicked@cyborganic.com (Markie) Subject: Re: The Leap Day SFR Calendar! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dont forget that there is a Wicked this saturady. Markie, Garth, Jeno, Thomas. At 174 King Street, San Francisco. $15 11-8am. And look out for our special 5th anniversry party Easter Weekend. This will be an ALL ticket event. Buy them early. We have an extra special guest ! Markie !) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 11:08:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA26819; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:56:58 -0800 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA26808; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:56:53 -0800 Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA11628; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:55:28 -0800 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199603011855.KAA11628@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: know thine enemy To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:55:27 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603011754.JAA24002@shellx.best.com> from "SDream" at Mar 1, 96 09:54:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 7939 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > PREFACE: This thread is becoming one that deals with racism, and hence with > peace and unity. If you still don't feel it belongs on this list, read no > further. > > --- > > John, John, John.... As I read over this, how did I know it was from > you?... Long time no e-mail, BTW... > Yo todd, Hi! Yeah, been real busy @ the Apple plantation workin' fo da man. So I haven't been able to fulfill any obligations to hook up. My car was down a short time last week, but things are getting better. Will hook up soon... Onto the races...er, I mean post. > >Face it, there is NO ROOM for racist > >ideas in a multi-cultural society. Spout that first amendment nonsense all > >one wishes, there just isn't room for those ideas in our society, period. > > I tend to agree. At some point we have to define in legal terms what > constitutes "hate" motivated crimes and organizations and outlaw them, > remove the 1st Amendment protection from such things. (And to whomever is > reading this, I don't care to get into the "all-or-nothing" argument about > the 1st Amendment. John was dead on with this.) > > >Since many of them aren't > >down to sit down and talk, then neither am I. They want to get guns and > >supress my people further (via racist laws, racist policies, racist > >institutions), then let's go ahead and get it on! > > Who is "they"? Who is getting a gun to suppress "your" people? > They = Those who make the racist/sexist/xxxist laws in this country. And those who enforce them. Those who aspouse racist/sexist/xxxist views, and act on them. Those who embrace the ideals of hatred instead of peace. They are my enemy. My people = Humanity. Within the confines of this fucked up kkkountry, my people are African-Americans AND ANYONE ELSE who sees through the facade of the joke bka Amerikkka bka big biz, bka money money money, bka tyrannical non-recylable manifest destiny rampant free-market capitalism. My target is quite clear. > I'm not saying such people don't exist, but read on... > > >One can only hope, > >as GeoffW said, that this will serve to mobilize people. Cuz' if it > >doesn't happen via the ballot, then it is time for the bullet. This will > >be rather ugly. > > And who will you aim at? If it became a war in the streets, who would you > point your gun at? Would you shoot me, John? My skin isn't as dark as > yours. Is that all it would take? Wouldn't you say that's what happened to > Reginald Denny? Is that what you think it would take to prove your point, > to be seen as an equal, to get people to live in PEACE?! > The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I could give a damn what color you are. It is obvious what color you have to be to join Buke, Duke, Wilson & their bunch. I don't pass the test. Those who join in that camp are the problem. I want ALL of them to come to the surface, and let's have it out. Get it above ground Mr. Buke, so our target becomes really clear. A race war? Those on the other side will see it that way. I of course, see it as a war of liberation against opressors. It just so happens that in this instance (like ALL others in the history of this kkkountry), they are white males. That does not mean that white males could not join the opressed and overthrow these opressors. The real issue becomes, who side will you (or I) be on. I am convinced that there is really only one course that people will have to take to ensure their liberty, and that is armed revolt & rebellion against what is going on now. Politicians will turn this thing racial (it ain't that hard), to make white men act on their historical fear. I think it will work, it always does (remeber Willie Horton, code words like welfare mother, inner city crime, rough areas, gangstah etc.). I also think there will be some who won't buy into it, but I am well aware that they might be in the minority. What will it take to get people to get along. Equality & Freedom. How is this state to be obtained? through great sacrifice, including the giving of ones life. I'm down for it...I believe that strongly! My son will NOT live the life of his great great grandfathers. And fuck Miss Daisy ;) I think I've answered your question my brother. > Can't we be a shade more intelligent than to start a race war? C'mon, John, > you're a damn smart guy, let's be creative, ok? > > >As we progress into the 21st century, I am losing hope that we, as a > >people, have the guts to face our past, deal with that history and move on. > > And I fear that loss of hope more than I fear the last gasps of racial > supremacy groups. > Both are equally damaging, but I see where one is a precursor to the other. > >Americans have a tendecny to want to move on before correcting problems. > > Y'know, John, since we had our string of discussions, I've been much more > aware of things I hear in the news that seem to point to continuing problems > with unequal treatment of the races. I'd have to agree with Jesse Jackson's > speech a couple months ago where he pointed out the similarities between > what is happening now and what happened 100 years ago. There were > revolutionary strides made towards equality, and then there was a falling > back, a reneging on promises, and the walls went back up, albeit not as high. > > But John, I really think change is still happening. I really think people > are growing. There's this slimy crust of old folks with old views floating > on the top (in government), but these people are falling away, being > replaced. Yes, they cvertainly are being replaced, with fresh new younger faces, and fresh code words, all masking a really stinky, old, moldy idea of supremacy. I mean, c'mon the whole idea of Young Republicans counters what you have just said. These ideas are always gaining ground in the most unlikely of places. I DO think change will happen, I just think that negotiating change in such a corrput system as this is moot. It will either come by ballot or bullet (Malcolm X). > Buke (good nick BTW) is a dinosaur. I never realized what an > asshole he was until just lately, so yeah, I have to agree that his move > towards the presidency is a good thing. It's causing a LOT of his dirty > laundry to get aired... > > >Negotiation? A non-option. Live free or die. First stop, city hall. > > Cool. I'll be right there with you. But let's fight with a clear idea of > who the enemy is, ok? Let's put names on our enemies before we destroy > them. Which is a lead-in for an idea of mine... > > Rather than light the sheets on fire, why not simply lift them? Make public > the names and, where possible, the names of the racists? Why not start a > WWW Racists Page? Create a directory with the names of people that take > racist stands, join racist organizations, make racist statements, etc. > Buke's handlers' worst nightmare is to be held up to public scrutiny with a > "BIGOT" sign around his neck so everyone can see him for what he really is. > I'd be glad to volunteer the web site and maintain such a thing. People > don't mind being racist as long as they can do it within their own little > clique, but pull the hood off their head, bring them out of the closet, and > they'll see themselves as the public sees them -- criminal, vile, ignorant, > disgusting, [fill in your own adjective], ... > Hmmm.. I think you hit it on the head Todd! This is a GREAT idea. Just like the stupid XTian right, we could have a hit list of bigots and other western style despots (Duke, Wilson, Buke, Dole, etc.) who sleep with the devil so to speak. I think we should do it! > >This country needs an enema, > > So let's go after the assholes and leave the innocents alone. DON'T MAKE IT > A RACE WAR -- MAKE IT AN ANTI-HATE WAR! > > >go pat go. > > Amen. > > T > > RIght f'ing on! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 11:23:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA00432; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:23:31 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA00420; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:23:25 -0800 Received: from [206.123.34.70] (g34-70.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14346; Fri, 1 Mar 96 14:22:39 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:28:50 -0500 To: Jeffrey_Coons@ccmail.rsco.com From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: Re: Recent News Articles Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 5:04 PM 2/29/96, Jeffrey_Coons@ccmail.rsco.com wrote: > > Copyright 1996 Caledonian Newspapers Ltd. > The Herald (Glasgow) > > February 13, 1996 > Hyperthermia was present in only two of the seven cases, and the >pathologists suggest that damage was being caused independently of the effects >of hyperthermia. *note this* > They point out that one of the problems associated with taking ecstasy is >the wide variation in the content of the tablets, some of which may be toxic. >Nevertheless, none of the seven had traces of contaminants in their blood >- only >the drugs. So, then, HOW did MDMA cause liver necrosis? and jaundice? Does it ever say anything remotely close to an explanation about the the cause and effect relationship between the chemical and the physical damage it does? These articles are interesting but i don't see much of a connection being drawn; other than the tenuous connection implied by the writing style. If MDMA does cause liver necrosis, brain damage, bad breath or anything, i DO want to know, but this doesn't really prove much IMHO. Like, for all we know, these guys could all have been alcoholics, or have been suffering from numerous other 'unstated' or 'unknown' problems and the only connection they all have is that all were 'ravers' and used MDMA. The most i can come up with is that MDMA catalyzed the deaths of people who may have already been killing themselves with other lifestyle choices, or other physical ailments. Man, i WISH someone would do some serious research about this!!!! I would rather have serious 'unbiased' scientific research that clearly makes apparent the dangers, rather than have some journalist take pathological studies and filter them down to us with their own socio-political biases. Then again, that's the mass-media for ya! > It is estimated that 500,000 people in the UK take ecstasy every week. The >incidence of death has been described by the drug's defenders as very >lowcompared with legal drugs such as alcohol or tobacco. Uhh...i don't think it's just the drug's "defenders". > These examination results indicate that people who regularly take ecstasy >may be risking serious and irreversible damage to their brains, hearts, and >livers. Nice line, got any real proof? >Copyright 1996 Newspaper Publishing PLC > The Independent > > February 13, 1996, Tuesday > > >HEADLINE: Ecstasy users 'risking heart and liver damage' > >BYLINE: GLENDA COOPER > >BODY: > GLENDA COOPER > > Long-term users of the drug ecstasy risk rotting their livers and damaging >their hearts and brains, as well as the short-term risk of overheating, >according to a study published today. Good one, glenda, 'rotting'. Did your editor tell you to use that term? ;) > In Britain, more than 500,000 people are said to use the drug each week. >Many people, including users, are aware of the dangers of overheating caused by >the drug which has led to deaths in the past. But recently the death of Leah >Betts highlighted the lesser known risk of drinking too much water after taking >ecstasy. > > Seven deaths examined in the Journal of Clinical Pathology were >investigated >over the last three years. They were men aged between 20 and 25. Three >collapsed >at a rave or a disco, two were found in bed, one collapsed in the street, and >one was admitted to hospital with severe jaundice. So, going by an intertextual analysis of this, we have 500,000 users per week, and seven deaths with varying factors surrounding the deaths found in the last three years. Hmmm. > Internal bleeding was found in the lungs of two of the men and damage >because of loss of blood supply was seen in the lungs of a third. The changes >present in these deaths were the same as those from heatstroke. But only >two of >the men had suffered a sharp rise in body temperature with readings of >39.5C and >44C. The paper also warns: "Another problem for the recreational drug taker >is >the quality of tablets they take. Examination of ecstasy tablets . . . has >shown that the contents of the tablets may vary greatly . . . With such >material >the possibility of toxic contaminants being present is evident." So, again, it says it's NOT heatstroke that caused these deaths, and it MAY be toxic contaminants (though one of these three reports says that there were no contaminants found) so, all that being ruled out; HOW did MDMA cause the necrosis? > Copyright 1996 Reuters, Limited > February 13, 1996, Tuesday, BC cycle > >HEADLINE: "Ecstasy" damages internal organs, researchers say > >DATELINE: LONDON > >BODY: > "There's nothing else to cause it," he said in a telephone interview. "You >find the drug levels there, you find the pathological changes and you are faced >with somebody dead, the question is, did the drug cause it?" EXACTLY! So, did it? It's not really answered in any sort of cause and effect sort of way. Is there any background information provided on the deceased and the lives that they lead previous to their misfortune? > The report said the damage to their organs was consistent with overheating- >which does cause some Ecstasy deaths. Users dance for for hours, often either >suffering from dehydration, or drinking lethal amounts of water in an >attempt to >avoid it. But it was also consistent with amphetamine use. "You get exactly >the same >thing in a cocaine overdose," Forrest said. So, NOW it's saying that the damage to the organs was "consistent with overheating" (hyperthermia) wheras the other two articles said that hyperthermia and toxic 'other' chemicals were NOT the cause. ? Like i said, i'm more than willing to have someone tell me that MDMA causes irrevesible damage to the human body, but i'm definitely not going to listen to a journalist. I wish that people could get past their own political agendas for a bit so that we could all get to the bottom of this and prevent any other deaths and/or reduce the fear for those who choose to use. peace, brad if there are any chem types on the list who can fill me in better on the cause and effect relationship b/n MDMA and necrosis based upon their understanding of the techie part of the study (not these articles) i'd appreciate hearing from you! :) ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 11:28:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA01148; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:28:34 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA01118; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:28:21 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA17763 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:28:18 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA08927 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:28:17 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00594 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:28:14 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:31:43 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: House? Educate me Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OK, y'all, so I'm not as hip as I'd like to be, but you can help! How can I tell house when I hear it? I'm trying to understand the differences between styles, such as house, techno, trance, jungle. I've read descriptions, but still don't quite get it. I can identify "techno" and ambient, but that's about it. Please someone give me the 411. Thanx, - E Eric P. Peterson Financial Assistant N&CS Materials Management Synopsys Inc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 11:32:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA01504; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:32:43 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA01499; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:32:39 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA13402; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:31:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199603011931.LAA13402@netcom11.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: A dumb but unanswered question In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Mar 96 09:12:38 PST." Date: Fri, 01 Mar 96 11:31:20 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >This is correct. Witness the LP "Having a Rave-up with the Yardbirds" (by >The Yardbirds, of course), which came out in the '60s. > >>"rave", as a slang term as early as the 60's and perhaps before, >>meant:to stay up all night dancing. There's also (1) some old david bowie song i cant remember that uses rave in the appropriate context. (2) a Steel Pulse song called "ravers" that goes something like "sounds called ravers, got you craving for more..." There's this 10 part series on "Rock and Roll" that was broadcast on PBS (actually a BBC + that boston public tv station) which covered popular music from buddy holly to r&b, funk, blues, rock, heavy metal, acid rock, punk, and even house, techno and ambient... i remember some of the early shows on the psychedelic revolution in the late 60's mentioning "rave ups" as well. All night parties in the UK (machester i think) where everybody would drop acid and listen to the yard birds, pink floyd, beatles, etc. This is all vague recollection, so please pardon any inaccuracies. (i have them videotaped -- i'll have to give them a look again sometime). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 11:45:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA02817; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:45:16 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02803; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:45:10 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA14844; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:43:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199603011943.LAA14844@netcom11.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: mama say mama sa mama soka In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Mar 96 10:02:57 PST." <199603011802.KAA29580@shellx.best.com> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 96 11:43:52 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Rob Jellinghaus > Actually I remember the lyrics from _Thriller_ (yes, I bought it at age > 12 or however the hell old I was then) as > > mama se mama sa ma ma coo sa > > though even that might be off by a few characters.... Yeah, that's a bit closer to the original lyrics that MJ lifted from Manu Dibango's "Electric Africa" which, incidentally is available on the 3CD Celluloid Compilation called "trilogy" on the CD called "New Africa 2". Song was written by Manu Dibango, produced by Bill Lasswell, with Herbie Hancock, Aiyb Dieng, and a variety of other star musicians performing. (I played this track at Burning Man in the ambient RV circle one afternoon; With lots of fuckups I was having problems with some weird ass CD-mixer that I'd never used before). "memories on the dance floor strech back a long way when it comes to classics, and this will be welcomed with arms akimbo" is what Music Week says about this track (whatever that means -- just copied from the liner notes). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 11:50:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA03293; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:50:16 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA03284; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:50:13 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA18916 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:50:00 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA10907; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:49:59 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04859; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:49:54 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:53:23 -0800 To: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Recent News Articles Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Excellent reactions to the media propaganda! I, too, would like some hard facts. Unfortunately, it's illegal to scientifically test the stuff, just as it is for other controlled substances. Every time a physician appeals for permission to test or to use a controlled substance for medical purposes, treatment of ailments, etc., someone up the chain nixes it. (Sigh). So, for now, we'll have to be careful, use a little common sense, and try to take care of each other... - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 11:56:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA03926; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:56:57 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA03915; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:56:53 -0800 Received: from linda.teleport.com (shakti@linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA25410; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:56:07 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by linda.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA14560; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:56:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:56:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: "Eric P. Peterson" cc: anne petrie , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Deadheads & Ravers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i just want to clarify that i was mistaken when i said i was 12 in 1985. i was 12 in *1980* and actually it was in the summer when i turned thirteen that i saw my first dead show...jeez! bren :-0 http://www.teleport.com/~shakti From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 12:14:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA06323; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:14:48 -0800 Received: from commotion.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA06305; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:14:44 -0800 Received: from [198.97.35.13] (eraserhead.ednet.net) by commotion.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16074; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:14:39 -0800 X-Sender: ambient@netcom20.netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:16:22 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: purchasing mixes on CD Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:05 AM 3/1/96, ozymandias G desiderata wrote: >While we're talking about mixed CDs, I have to heartily recommend the >N-Fusion Volume 2 CD, with chunks mixed by Monty and Markem. It's a few >years old, but it's _packed_ with classic tunes and just exudes that >smokey, left-coast flavor. Monty, of course, is the same Monty that spun >at this last weekend's Friends'n'Family, and is a champ of a guy, as well >as a mighty DJ. He claims that this CD is hard to find, but I happen to >know where a few secret caches of it exist. :) So keep your eyes open. > Actually just Fusion Vol.2. If you're really lucky, maybe you can find a copy of Fusion Vol.1, with Monty and Andre Lucero. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 12:18:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA06859; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:18:32 -0800 Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA06846; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:18:27 -0800 From: Jeffrey_Coons@ccmail.rsco.com Received: from ccmail.rsco.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA15672; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:08:55 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.rsco.com id AA825711785; Fri, 01 Mar 96 12:17:07 PST Date: Fri, 01 Mar 96 12:17:07 PST Message-Id: <9602018257.AA825711785@ccmail.rsco.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: "buyer beware" web site Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk interesting web site URL: http://www.cityscape.co.uk/users/bt22/pillstilJuly.html its contents follow (sans pictures), the list was also published in several British Papers as "Buyer Beware" as part of the recent durge of articles published on Rave topics: http://www.cityscape.co.uk/users/bt22/pillstilJuly.html Test results of 30 samples of Ecstasy bought in British clubs between 11/94 and 7/95 WARNING. Do not assume that you can identify a particular sample as safe from these results, because there are many lookalikes and ingredients of identical pills may vary. nicholas@neals.cityscape.co.uk [Image] [Image] White Dove. White, bird motif, fracture line on back. 8mm x 3mm. One of many dove look-a-likes.110mg MDMA. [Image] [Image] White Dove. White, bird motif, fracture line on reverse. 8mm x 3mm. 131mg MDMA. [Image] [Image] White Dove. Creamy yellow, very clear bird motif, no fracture line, wider and flatter than other look-a-like Doves. 9mm x 2.5mm. 65mg MDMA and 29mg MDEA. [Image] [Image] White Dove. White, faint bird motif, fracture line on back. 8mm x 4mm. 172 mg MDEA. A very high dose. [Image] [Image] White Dove. White, bird motif, fracture line on back, bevelled edges. 130mg MDMA. [Image] [Image] White Dove. White, bird motif, fracture line on back, bevelled edges. 130mg MDMA. [Image] [Image] Sitting Duck. White, crude bird motif, wide fracture line on back. potentially dangerous combination of ketamine, ephedrine and selegiline. [Image] [Image] Swallow. Beige, bird with forked tail motif, fracture line on back. 9mm x 3mm. 136 mg MDMA and unknown substances. [Image] [Image] Flying dove. Similar to Swallow but lighter in colour and motif not as clear. 9mm x 3mm. MDMA and unknown substance. One of many Swallow look-a-likes. [Image] [Image] Playboy. Beige, rabbit head motif, fracture line on back. 8mm x 4mm. Ranges from 100-155mg MDMA. [Image] [Image] Strawberry. Pink with red speckles, fracture line on back. 12mm x 4mm. Ephedrine and unknown substance. [Image] [Image] Strawberry. Pink, red flecks, fracture line on back, strawberry smell. Potentially dangerous combination of ketamine, ephedrine and selegiline. [Image] [Image] Diamond. Cream, diamond or square motif, slightly bevelled edges. 10mm x 12mm. 45mg amphetamine and unknown substance. [Image] [Image] Yellowish speckled, e imprint, clear ridge at edges, no fracture line. 100mg MDMA. [Image] [Image] Party Time or Pete Tong. Cream with dark flecks, PT imprint, fracture line on back, bevelled edges. 196mg MDEA. A very high dose. [Image] [Image] Matador, White Bull or Buffalo. White, bull's head motif, fracture line on back, flat. 8mm x 3mm. 129mg MDMA. [Image] [Image] Buffalo. White, bull's head motif, fracture line on back, bevelled edges. 126mg MDEA. [Image] [Image] Dolphin. Cream, dolphin motif, heavy fracture line on back, saucer shaped. 108mg MDMA. [Image] [Image] White clover. Cream speckled, clover motif, fracture line on back, ridge at edges. 20mg caffeine. [Image] [Image] Green clover or Shamrock. Green, clover motif, fracture line on back, ridge at edges. No active ingredient found although users report tripping sensation, so may contain LSD which was not tested for. [Image] Orange/purple or yellow/red capsule. 24mm x 7.5mm. Contains unknown substances. No MDMA, MDA, MDEA, amphetamine, methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin, caffeine found. May have no active contents. [Image] [Image] Yellow with dark flecks, fracture line on back. 10mm x 5.5mm. Caffeine, ephedrine and ketamine. Potentially dangerous. [Image] [Image] Grey, flat, no fracture line, smells of safrole. 9mm x 4mm. 119mg MDMA. [Image] [Image] Yellow Callie. Cream with yellow flecks. 85mg MDMA. [Image] [Image] Yellow Callie. White with yellow flecks, saucer shaped, fracture line on back. Potentially dangerous combination of caffeine, ephedrine and ketamine. [Image] [Image] Flatliner. White, slightly saucer shaped, fracture line on back. 8mm x 2mm. Ephedrine. [Image] [Image] White burger. Similar to Flatliner but flat not saucer shaped, no fracture line. 8mm x 2mm. Ephedrine. [Image] [Image] Grey Biscuit. Grey with black flecks, faint fracture line on back. 12mm x 3.5mm. 64mg MDMA. [Image] [Image] Yellowish, no markings. 7.5mm x 3mm. 22mg amphetamine and 18mg caffeine. [Image] [Image] Cream, speckled, no markings. 8.5mm x 2.5mm. 86mg MDMA. WARNING. Do not assume that you can identify a particular sample as safe from these results, because there are many lookalikes and ingredients of identical pills may vary. nicholas@neals.cityscape.co.uk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 12:19:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA07093; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:19:39 -0800 Received: from commotion.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07088; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:19:35 -0800 Received: from [198.97.35.13] (eraserhead.ednet.net) by commotion.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16082; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:19:31 -0800 X-Sender: ambient@netcom20.netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:21:14 -0800 To: Fred Heutte From: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: my winter vacation pt. 2 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 2:48 AM 3/1/96, Fred Heutte wrote: >I want to thank the MAD crew -- Joe Rice, Ethan, Jon, Dave, the Gateway >crew and anyone else I'm neglecting -- for inviting me to play. It >made my month! > Don't forget Alex! Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 12:47:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA10212; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:47:48 -0800 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA10200; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:47:43 -0800 Received: from gw by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA25426; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:46:24 -0800 Received: from digipix.com (host3) by gw (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA09432; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:48:27 -0800 Message-Id: Date: 1 Mar 1996 12:50:08 U From: "Bart Cheever" Subject: Re: mama say mama sa mama s To: "Niels P. Mayer" Cc: "Cindy Kawakami" , "sfraves* " X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>>mama say mama sa mama soka Not to be a trainspotter but the original song is called "Soul Makossa" by Manu Dibango and it is the mothership!! The track on the Celluloid compilation is a cover Manu Dibango did later in the 80's. -------------------------------------- Date: 3/1/96 12:11 PM To: Bart Cheever From: Niels P. Mayer Rob Jellinghaus > Actually I remember the lyrics from _Thriller_ (yes, I bought it at age > 12 or however the hell old I was then) as > > mama se mama sa ma ma coo sa > > though even that might be off by a few characters.... Yeah, that's a bit closer to the original lyrics that MJ lifted from Manu Dibango's "Electric Africa" which, incidentally is available on the 3CD Celluloid Compilation called "trilogy" on the CD called "New Africa 2". Song was written by Manu Dibango, produced by Bill Lasswell, with Herbie Hancock, Aiyb Dieng, and a variety of other star musicians performing. (I played this track at Burning Man in the ambient RV circle one afternoon; With lots of fuckups I was having problems with some weird ass CD-mixer that I'd never used before). "memories on the dance floor strech back a long way when it comes to classics, and this will be welcomed with arms akimbo" is what Music Week says about this track (whatever that means -- just copied from the liner notes). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by digipix.com with SMTP;1 Mar 1996 11:58:14 U Received: from taz.hyperreal.com by gw (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA09050; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:55:49 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA02845; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:45:21 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA02817; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:45:16 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02803; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:45:10 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA14844; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:43:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199603011943.LAA14844@netcom11.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: mama say mama sa mama soka In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 01 Mar 96 10:02:57 PST." <199603011802.KAA29580@shellx.best.com> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 96 11:43:52 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 12:49:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA10374; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:49:54 -0800 Received: from isis.source.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA10365; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:49:50 -0800 Received: by isis.source.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id MAA01236; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:47:22 -0800 From: "anne petrie" Message-Id: <9603011247.ZM1234@isis.source.net> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:47:11 -0800 In-Reply-To: Peter Fogel "Re: An Old Fart Looks At The Scene" (Mar 1, 9:31am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Peter Fogel Subject: Re: An Old Fart Looks At The Scene Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Quaker State Tapioca Rupture wrote: > I too am older -- 41 -- and have been lurking here for a few weeks. > > > It's also encouraging, because I've been kind of reticent to check > it out for fear of feeling out of place. Hmm, maybe I'll check it > out... so if y'all see an Old Fart looking a little bashful by the > sidelines, give 'im a smile. > >There is many of us old farts in this scene. I'm 36, but very rarely ever >feel like an old fart in this scene. There are no age barriers in the >place of love for the music. >Welcome, >:) >peter And I thought that I was an old for the scene at 25! ;) warmly, -- Anne Petrie Third Wave Solutions, Inc. E-mail: anne@source.net Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 13:30:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA14664; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:30:02 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA14628; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:29:55 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA23355 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:29:46 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA17970; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:29:45 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA22602; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:29:42 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:33:13 -0800 To: Matt Wietzke From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: House? Educate me Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks! That about straightens me out on house and trance. Still not sure about jungle... :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 13:32:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA14960; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:32:58 -0800 Received: from igate1.hac.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA14954; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:32:54 -0800 From: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com Received: from eden.hac.com by igate1.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29656; Fri, 1 Mar 96 13:29:59 PST Received: from DECNET-MAIL (SCRUTON@JOYCE) by EDEN.HAC.COM (PMDF V4.3-7 #5884) id <01I1TQWJPROW004850@EDEN.HAC.COM>; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:32:17 PST Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 13:32:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: liver damage To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <01I1TQWJQAZM004850@EDEN.HAC.COM> X-Vms-To: EDEN::IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i'm NOT a doctor, but when i read the post about E and liver damage, it occurred to me that the liver, being a filter, is really vulnerable to ANY manmade substance, be it tylenol (which can destroy yer liver in sufficient amounts) or E, or whatever. in the 'no duh' category, look at alcohol, a NATURAL substance; it too can cause dead areas in the liver, that's what cyrrhosis is... keep yer filters clean, peeple Dave Scruton From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 13:48:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA16349; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:48:44 -0800 Received: from morph.wicked.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA16248; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:47:43 -0800 Received: from [205.162.25.17] by morph.wicked.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:53:05 +0000 X-Sender: markie@wicked.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: markie@wicked.com (Markie) Subject: Wicked this Saturday Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:53:05 +0000 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dont forget that there is a Wicked this saturday. Markie, Garth, Jeno, Thomas. At 174 King Street, San Francisco. $15 11-8am. And look out for our special 5th anniversry party Easter Weekend. This will be an ALL ticket event. Buy them early. We have an extra special guest ! Markie !) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 14:04:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA18005; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:04:11 -0800 Received: from apollo.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17994; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:04:07 -0800 Received: (from krissy@localhost) by apollo.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA02537; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:03:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: CHRISTINA ANN-MARIE HOAG X-Sender: krissy@apollo To: ozymandias G desiderata cc: San Francisco Massif Subject: Re: purchasing mixes on CD In-Reply-To: <199603011905.LAA17815@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I heard Spun spin at a full moon rave in Half Moon Bay in Summer 1992. I know what old skool Spun sound you are talking about. On Fri, 1 Mar 1996, ozymandias G desiderata wrote: > > Amy Starkey, Paragon of Loveliness, said: > >> I'm looking for mixes that some of the local DJ's (Jano, spun, > >> Garth, etc.) might have made on CD. I've seen Garht's "No Rest For > >> The Wicked" CD, but that's it. I'm also wondering where to buy > >> them, especially if it's in the San Jose area (it's closer to > >> home). Many thanks to any and all replies. > ARS> > ARS> Spun also came out with a mix CD right after Garth's in 1993 and it is > ARS> called "If You Turn On". It is kinda mellow and trippy - not really > ARS> Spun's style if you ask me, but I really like the CD. You might try > ARS> Ameba on Haight....they may still carry it. I dunno about SJ locations. > > Back in The Day (tm), that is _exactly_ what Spun sounded like: slow, > trippy, breakbeat house with a healthy dose of that old-school Detroit > flavor. I avidly collect mixtapes of his from that period. He's the first > DJ I ever heard spin Underground Resistance's "Final Frontier" (one of > the finest techno tracks ever recorded). I used to eagerly anticipate his > rare visits to Portland, because at that point I thought that he had the > most unique and well-defined sound of any of the West Coast DJs (except > maybe Doc). > > I don't know what happened to him. I'll leave it at that. ;) > > While we're talking about mixed CDs, I have to heartily recommend the > N-Fusion Volume 2 CD, with chunks mixed by Monty and Markem. It's a few > years old, but it's _packed_ with classic tunes and just exudes that > smokey, left-coast flavor. Monty, of course, is the same Monty that spun > at this last weekend's Friends'n'Family, and is a champ of a guy, as well > as a mighty DJ. He claims that this CD is hard to find, but I happen to > know where a few secret caches of it exist. :) So keep your eyes open. > > Also, on a more commercial note, for awhile the Doc Martin mix CD > (_Urbmix: Flammable Liquid_) was pretty much nailed into my CD > player. Primo house, trance, and smooth techno put together by one of the > few true masters of the mixing arts (I can't _stand_ house anymore, but > I'll walk miles out of my way to hear Doc spin). And while we're talking > about SoCal DJs, I've heard tell that Taylor's _United DJs of America_ > disc isn't too bad. > > yrz, > ozymandias > > ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Ravers Suck Our Sound > (415)284-6888 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ:: > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 14:11:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA18908; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:11:27 -0800 Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA18896; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:11:22 -0800 Received: from mailhub.manual3.com by relay3.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA14784; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:11:16 -0500 Received: from [206.5.32.54] by mailhub.manual3.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:40:16 -0800 X-Sender: nathan_moser@mailhub.manual3.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:40:17 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nathan_moser@manual3.com (Nathan Moser) Subject: Re: purchasing mixes on CD Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> I'm looking for >> mixes that some of the local DJ's (Jano, spun, Garth, etc.) might have >> made on CD. I've seen Garht's "No Rest For The Wicked" CD, but that's >> it. I'm also wondering where to buy them, especially if it's in the San >> Jose area (it's closer to home). Many thanks to any and all replies. > >First off, WELCOME and big newbie hugs to you! > >Spun also came out with a mix CD right after Garth's in 1993 and it is >called "If You Turn On". It is kinda mellow and trippy - not really >Spun's style if you ask me, but I really like the CD. You might try >Ameba on Haight....they may still carry it. I dunno about SJ locations. > > >love, >Amy Solid Grooves in San Jose has a pretty extensive CD collection, though I didn't notice if they carry DJ mix CDs in particular. They do carry a quite a few DJ cassettes. A good Detroit techno vinyl section, and the staff are really helpful and cool. They're located at 368 S. Bascom. take care! -nate From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 14:24:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA20406; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:24:52 -0800 Received: from yosemite.examen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA20397; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:24:49 -0800 From: amyp@yosemite.examen.com Received: from pongo.examen.com by yosemite.examen.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tsdFu-0008GDC; Fri, 1 Mar 96 14:24 PST To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Planet Rock Strikes Back! Date: Fri, 1 Mar 96 14:24:21 PST Message-Id: <9603012224.158D44@pongo.examen.com> X-Mailer: SelectMAIL 1.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just a reminder - Planet Rock Strikes Back is tomorrow, Saturday March 2nd, in Oakland from 9pm to 7am. Trance, Terry Mullen, Nigel Richards, Hipp-E, Karizma, Jim Hopkins, Graema, Surge, Das, Abstract, Cesar, Radley, and more. Call for info and directions - 415.267.3916 510.433.7216 See you there! a :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 14:42:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA22170; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:42:13 -0800 Received: from bass.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA22157; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:42:10 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by bass.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA08983; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:42:04 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:42:04 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603012242.OAA08983@bass.hooked.net> To: cpu101@interverse.com, "anne petrie" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: Deadheads & Ravers Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, Mar 1, 1996 12:49:33 AM at pantha rei wrote: >... some of us in 1991 dragged a sound system to the parking lot of a >'Dead' show, with Garth, Jeno and myself playing at the Shoreline >Amphitheatre. We did it sensing a kinship with the lifestyle, beliefs and >philosophical trips of the nomadic 'heads'. One of many >paths... one that we enjoy. > >Thinking good thoughts and making moments count... > > > > awsome post........thank you for the reminder..........say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 14:44:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA22339; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:44:05 -0800 Received: from bass.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA22327; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:43:58 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by bass.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09093; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:43:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:43:50 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603012243.OAA09093@bass.hooked.net> To: Cc: , Subject: Re: Re: mama say mama sa mama s Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, Mar 1, 1996 12:50:08 PM at Bart Cheever wrote: > Reply to: RE>>mama say mama sa mama soka > >Not to be a trainspotter but the original song is called "Soul Makossa" by Manu Dibango and it is the mothership!! The track on the Celluloid compilation is a cover Manu Dibango did later in the 80's. > > >> Actually I remember the lyrics from _Thriller_ (yes, I bought it at age >> 12 or however the hell old I was then) as >> >> mama se mama sa ma ma coo sa >> >> though even that might be off by a few characters.... > >Yeah, that's a bit closer to the original lyrics that MJ lifted from >Manu Dibango's "Electric Africa" which, incidentally is available on >the 3CD Celluloid Compilation called "trilogy" on the CD called "New >Africa 2". Song was written by Manu Dibango, produced by Bill Lasswell, >with Herbie Hancock, Aiyb Dieng, and a variety of other star musicians >performing. (I played this track at Burning Man in the ambient RV >circle one afternoon; With lots of fuckups I was having problems with >some weird ass CD-mixer that I'd never used before). > >"memories on the dance floor strech back a long way when it comes to classics, >and this will be welcomed with arms akimbo" is what Music Week says about >this track (whatever that means -- just copied from the liner notes). > > I will add my trainspotting too.........I have atrack called FUNKY SOUL MAKOSSA by NAIROBI and the AWSOME FOURSOME/ 1982 on streetwise records....and its the shit!.....I thought it was the original Mama say mama sa- mama kossa lyric and MJ copied it ...............say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:05:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA22308; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:43:43 -0800 Received: from bass.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA22295; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:43:36 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by bass.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09036; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:42:54 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:42:54 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603012242.OAA09036@bass.hooked.net> To: epaul@Synopsys.COM Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: A dumb but unanswered question Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, Mar 1, 1996 10:44:51 AM at Eric P. Peterson wrote: >Excellent call, Jim! Yes, Clapton was their guitarist before the other >two. The band started getting experimental, so he moved on to bluesier >pastures. Jeff Beck joined, and Page took bass, then they did dual-lead >guitar! Beck then got paranoid, thinking Pagey was trying to upstage him, >so he bailed. Page was the last guitarist with the Yardbirds. >> LISTEN until you UNDERSTAND! awsome history lesson !!!!!thanks....say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:05:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA22288; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:43:31 -0800 Received: from bass.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA22281; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:43:27 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by bass.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09072; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:43:23 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:43:23 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603012243.OAA09072@bass.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: old fart at heart.....NOT !!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I can tell you from personal experience....(36 years of it), that your only an old fart if you feel like one..........I love to have the knowledge and experience 36 years have given me....and I wasn't the same person even 2-3 years ago, I have come to appreciate my world (both my worlds....I'm a gemini.....) At the age of 25 I was so lost, at the age of 30, I was still searching, and finally as I moved into my mid 30's I began to see and feel and hear, (coincidently, I might add that's about the time I moved to S.F.) My experiences in the rave culture have helped to nurture me through to another way of life, and to set myself free ....... I thank all of you who have helped to support the clubs and raves, the culture and each other. I feel there is so much more to give.....that I feel like a teenager all over again....young and vibrant, and so full of hope. Last nite I took a new friend and her 60 year old mother to the top, to introduce them to my world, to show them a slice of s.f. nitelife, before we went she asked me what the age limit was and I said that at 36 I am towards the older segment, so she was feeling that it might not be her cup of tea.........but as the nite progressed, I played from reggaae dub to trip hop to hip hop to house, and then Garth took over from there.....say no more.......when I spoke to her after my set, she was totally into the music so much that she was explaining to me, how the songs bridged (mixed) together so well and how the music went up and down emotionally and had all these creshendo spots that every one would scream etc.....I was stoked that she understood the music, and the vibe.....it turns out she was formerly married to a black jazz pianist, and at 2 am when the top closed she wanted to know where the black funky ass music is......she had more fun than any human is allowed, and she was right at home, and the was accepted by the crowd too, she was talking to all kinds of people, totally cool, But she brought with her the right frame of mind, an open to anything attitude, she brought the vibe.......It was fun to watch her interact so smoothly with everyone..... So I ask you.......is there an age limit to our culture..........hardly....its all in the mind and I can tell you that if I'm still walking around when I'm 60 years old, I'll still be playing my music........say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:15:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA25750; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:15:59 -0800 Received: from worm.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA25739; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:15:54 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA29313; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:15:51 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:15:51 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603012315.PAA29313@worm.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: big sur campout....need ride !!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HI everyone , The weekend of march 8,9,10th (fri sat sun) is the raindance small weekend raveout/hot tub party in BIG SUR, I am in need of a ride from S.F with all my camping gear and some Dj gear (minimal) I would like to leave on Fri sometime and return late SUN or early MON am........any one willing to help me out, I can conribute to your weekend experience......gas $$$ food....head gear etc... if anyone is interested please let me know a.s.a.p. moonpup say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:16:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA25761; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:16:00 -0800 Received: from worm.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA25740; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:15:55 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA29303; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:15:48 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:15:48 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603012315.PAA29303@worm.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: big sur campout....need ride !!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HI everyone , The weekend of march 8,9,10th (fri sat sun) is the raindance small weekend raveout/hot tub party in BIG SUR, I am in need of a ride from S.F with all my camping gear and some Dj gear (minimal) I would like to leave on Fri sometime and return late SUN or early MON am........any one willing to help me out, I can conribute to your weekend experience......gas $$$ food....head gear etc... if anyone is interested please let me know a.s.a.p. moonpup say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:18:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA26087; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:18:13 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA26080; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:18:08 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA28794 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:16:47 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA26819; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:16:46 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA14572; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:16:43 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:20:14 -0800 To: Milton Cecil From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Re: A dumb but unanswered question Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My pleasure! I pride myself on my Led Zeppelin-related knowledge, so if you ever have a question related to the band, or individual members, feel free to ask! This goes to everyone who reads this :) - E Eric P. Peterson Financial Assistant N&CS Materials Management Synopsys Inc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:20:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA26342; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:20:28 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA26333; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:20:24 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA28953 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:20:14 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA27015; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:20:13 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA15257; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:20:10 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:23:41 -0800 To: Milton Cecil From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: old fart at heart.....NOT !!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk (story clipped only to save space) :):):):):) Awesome!!! - E > >So I ask you.......is there an age limit to our >culture..........hardly....its all in the mind >and I can tell you that if I'm still walking around when I'm 60 years old, >I'll still be playing my music........say no more Eric P. Peterson Financial Assistant N&CS Materials Management Synopsys Inc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:33:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA27629; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:33:50 -0800 Received: from capt.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA27622; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:33:47 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by capt.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA11481; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:33:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:33:38 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603012333.PAA11481@capt.hooked.net> To: epaul@Synopsys.COM Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: A dumb but unanswered question Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, Mar 1, 1996 3:20:14 PM at Eric P. Peterson wrote: >My pleasure! I pride myself on my Led Zeppelin-related knowledge, so if >you ever have a question related to the band, or individual members, feel >free to ask! This goes to everyone who reads this :) > >- E > >Eric P. Peterson >Financial Assistant >N&CS Materials Management >Synopsys Inc. > > > > have you noticed the bevy of led zep samples in many tracks lately.......I have at least 10 tracks that sampled zep......and some rather well......(some not so....) say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:41:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA28247; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:41:59 -0800 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA28233; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:41:56 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA05474 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:41:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:41:59 -0500 Message-ID: <960301184158_338167751@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: CABIN trip: T-15 days & counting! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The cabin is officially ours. All three stories of it. w/added bonus of indoor sauna. (Tribal sweat-drumming chamber) I've been swamped lately, and have had lots of response so I haven't been able to finalize the list of who's in, so just hold in there. But if i've told you you're definitely in, please send your checks of ASAP. I bargained down an $900/wknd cabin to $650, so it will be $25 a person, I'd prefer the whole amount, but if you can only send half now, thats fine. To: Steve Ogden 1901 G street, #1 Sacramento CA, 95814 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE call me with any questions, I have not mastered email management so you're best bet is to respond via voice communications. work 1.800.388.8890 ext. 777 home 916.443.8225 P.S. sleeping arangements have not been figured out, but all better bring sleeping bags to be safe. D.J.'s If you care to throw down, and would like some guaranteed time on, please contact Rick: [rdriffle@ucdavis.edu] (sorry Rick) he'll be the man with the plan. (no hair pulling damnit) I'd like to do some dueling too, take one down pass it around, 99 records of groove in the crate. Well let's hope the snow stays cold and the hot tub warm! Love, Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:43:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA28409; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:43:36 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA28402; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:43:33 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.209] (u2w40.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.209]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA06886; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:43:27 -0800 X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:43:30 -0800 To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: House? Educate me Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >OK, y'all, so I'm not as hip as I'd like to be, but you can help! How can >I tell house when I hear it? I'm trying to understand the differences >between styles, such as house, techno, trance, jungle. I've read >descriptions, but still don't quite get it. I can identify "techno" and >ambient, but that's about it. Please someone give me the 411. I've always had trouble with this too... Shawna and I were talking about it the other day, and the only thing I can come up with is that there really isn't a clear-cut difference between styles. Maybe between jungle and ambient and trance or something, but other than that it's more the "feel" of the music rather than any specific formula. Maybe I'm wrong, please someone set me straight because pigeonholes suck when you can't even define them properly. Methinks house is characterized by a really simple 120bpm "boom-chik" kinda beat... pretty sparse, some horn samples... popular at frat parties because the sorority girls seem to enjoy it... :) -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:46:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA28651; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:46:11 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA28645; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:46:08 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.209] (u2w40.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.209]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA30984 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:46:04 -0800 X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:46:06 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: A dumb but unanswered question Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >There's this 10 part series on "Rock and Roll" that was broadcast on >PBS (actually a BBC + that boston public tv station) which covered >popular music from buddy holly to r&b, funk, blues, rock, heavy metal, ... >pink floyd, beatles, etc. This is all vague recollection, so please >pardon any inaccuracies. (i have them videotaped -- i'll have to give >them a look again sometime). This was a really great series... the last installment covered rap and techno: "beat" driven music in general... They had an interview with Alex Paterson (orb) sitting in this throne surrounded by swirling smoke and stuff... didn't get too far into the "scene" but then again they set aside like 15 minutes for it. -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:55:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA29485; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:55:24 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA29456; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:55:10 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA00875; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:54:19 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199603012354.PAA00875@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Prometheus Unbound - tonight in SF To: sf@ramona.cyborganic.com, noise@organic.com, 313@hyperreal.com ((313) Email List), sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves), drue@vivid.com Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:54:18 -0800 (PST) URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This party with Derrick May and Stacey Pullen is tonight in SF. 444 DeHaro, at 17th. Presale tix are $15, available at Housewares, Primal, Groove Merchant. At the door entrance is $20. Limited Capacity. No minors (18+). ID needed, bar is available. Info line is 415/273-1622 -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:56:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA29706; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:56:26 -0800 Received: from chum.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA29641; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:56:14 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by chum.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA05126; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:56:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:56:12 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603012356.PAA05126@chum.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: burning man-posse potential Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am looking for about 8-10 responsible raver types who wish to help me to rent a winabego for the upcoming burning man event (labor day weekend sept 96) I think it will be about $800.00 for the weekend so approx $100.00 each....... If I can't get that together then I'll get a large van and caravan out there......I'm looking for hearty adventurers (the weary need not apply)............call me at 415-337-MOON (6666) or e-mail me From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 15:58:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA29912; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:58:40 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA29904; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:58:37 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.209] (u2w40.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.209]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA29437 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:58:30 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:58:32 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Chrysalis tommorrow: look 4 me! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So, it seems *everyone* is going to Chrysalis tommorrow... well, I'll be there, and there's still a lot of you I haven't met yet, so keep an eye out for me! here's my photo: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/MMphotos.html the "studying" one is the most recent. I don't yet know what I'll be wearing... like it matters. See you all there! -mike. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 16:02:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA00488; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:02:52 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA00481; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:02:49 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA04531; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:01:53 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603020001.QAA04531@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: House? Educate me To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:01:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: from "michal migurski" at Mar 1, 96 03:43:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 568 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Methinks house is characterized by a really simple 120bpm "boom-chik" kinda > beat... pretty sparse, some horn samples... popular at frat parties because > the sorority girls seem to enjoy it... :) I like it anyway. :-) Though I prefer it to be 170-180bpm or more. But I am not into the overly "musical" or ambient stuff, or stuff where the beat drops out or gets hidden "behind" other tracks, or things like samples/mixes with "Real Music". I like it to have no more than like 4 or 5 discernable layers and to be fairly repetitive. Maybe I'm ill? ;-) Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 16:09:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA01114; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:09:34 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA01104; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:09:30 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.209] (u2w40.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.209]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA08242; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:09:23 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:09:25 -0800 To: Marisa Giancarla-Wright From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: House? Educate me Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I like it anyway. :-) Though I prefer it to be 170-180bpm or more. >But I >am not into the overly "musical" or ambient stuff, or stuff where the beat >drops >out or gets hidden "behind" other tracks, or things like samples/mixes with >"Real Music". I like it to have no more than like 4 or 5 discernable layers and >to be fairly repetitive. Maybe I'm ill? ;-) Well, I didn't say I didn't *like* it... It just seems really simple when compared to, say, acid trance, _anything_ by the Orb, or *especially* Jungle-- one of my favorites! I prefer dancing to music that changes a lot, because the way I dance I get weary just bumping around to the same beat for prolonged periods of time... I like sets that alternate between crazy fast parts and more melllow parts... e.g. almost anythingplayed out at MAD (phred your set rocked last monday!) see you at Chrysalis? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 16:11:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA01303; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:11:19 -0800 Received: from chum.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA01293; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:11:14 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by chum.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA05874; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:11:00 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:11:00 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603020011.QAA05874@chum.hooked.net> To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: House? Educate me Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, Mar 1, 1996 3:43:30 PM at michal migurski wrote: >>OK, y'all, so I'm not as hip as I'd like to be, but you can help! How can >>I tell house when I hear it? I'm trying to understand the differences >>between styles, such as house, techno, trance, jungle. I've read >>descriptions, but still don't quite get it. I can identify "techno" and >>ambient, but that's about it. Please someone give me the 411. > >I've always had trouble with this too... Shawna shawna, It generally has to do with the tempo of the beats and the patterns of the beats..... to some degree the tempos are something like this 60 bpm-90+ (beats per minute) reggae & reggae dub 80bpm-110ish rap/funky beats 100-119bpm hiphop/funk/ 120-130ish house 128+ -140ish trance 130ish on up techno 120-180 ish jungle(double time reggae) I may have missed a few areas but roughly speaking these are the tempo changes Now the basic house beat is a 4/4 beat that is it just goes boom boom boom boom, repeat wheras a funky break beat has more of a boom boom chack, bdoom bdoom chack, repeat It's hard to describe, I could show you on my turntables, Its basically small differences, that in time you pick up on.......good luck moonpup say no more >0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 >| -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | >| for that whole body thirst situation | >| | >| (- My Portfolio! -) | >| http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | >| ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| >| -> but patience always helps. <- | >| | >0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 16:24:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA02719; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:24:31 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02712; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:24:29 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA04580; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:23:37 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603020023.QAA04580@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: House? Educate me To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:23:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: from "michal migurski" at Mar 1, 96 04:09:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1384 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Well, I didn't say I didn't *like* it... It just seems really simple when > compared to, say, acid trance, _anything_ by the Orb, or *especially* > Jungle-- one of my favorites! Exactly, which is why I don't like that kindof stuff. Don't get me wrong, I go places where it's played (especially in the SanFran scene I have not been able to find anywhere that plays music as fast as I would like). For me, if the beat pauses or does "hip hops" more than a few times during the 5 or 6 minutes of the song I start to lose interest. I have some really fast hard stuff that is very acid-based, but it doesn't sacrifice the amphetamine-level beat. The problem I have with the Orb stuff I have heard is that it is too "ethereal" or "spacy". Have you heard any Cellblock X, Bioreactor, or Latex Empire? > I prefer dancing to music that changes a lot, because the way I dance I get > weary just bumping around to the same beat for prolonged periods of time... Actually, I have no idea how to dance, I just groove on the music. > I like sets that alternate between crazy fast parts and more melllow > parts... e.g. almost anythingplayed out at MAD (phred your set rocked last > monday!) I keep intending to go to MAD, since it sounds the closest to what I want. But basically I just make up my own compilation cassettes so I can listen to all fast stuff when I am on my own. Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 16:27:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA02964; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:27:30 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02956; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:27:27 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA04591; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:26:35 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603020026.QAA04591@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: Re: House? Educate me To: moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net (Milton Cecil) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:26:34 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: <199603020011.QAA05874@chum.hooked.net> from "Milton Cecil" at Mar 1, 96 04:11:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 223 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Moonpup, > 130ish on up techno > > 120-180 ish jungle(double > time reggae) What about hard trance/hard techno/gabber? Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 16:45:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA04615; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:45:32 -0800 Received: from webe.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA04603; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:45:26 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by webe.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02660; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:45:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:45:19 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603020045.QAA02660@webe.hooked.net> To: Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: House? Educate me Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, Mar 1, 1996 4:26:34 PM at Marisa Giancarla-Wright wrote: >Moonpup, > >> 130ish on up techno >> >> 120-180 ish jungle(double >> time reggae) > What about hard trance/hard techno/gabber? > > Marisa > > its pretty much 140 on up.........similar to techno etc... > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 16:58:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA05682; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:58:03 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA05676; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:58:00 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA21358; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:57:28 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id QAA15625; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:50:41 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:50:34 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: CABIN trip: T-15 days & counting! To: SteveOSac@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960301184158_338167751@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > the crate. Well let's hope the snow stays cold and the hot tub warm! The snow will most likely be excellent. I just spent the last two weekends in Tahoe. They got lots of snow and I don't forsee anything happening to it all in the next two weeks. So, have lots and lots of fun. If you need any tips on rentals or ski resorts you can email me. I'm from there and know of lots of cool places. :) Best wishes, kc kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 17:03:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA06236; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:03:15 -0800 Received: from ix13.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06227; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:03:11 -0800 Received: from by ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA00413; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:02:37 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:02:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199603020102.RAA00413@ix13.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: another shawna on the list? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>I've always had trouble with this too... Shawna Either I'm completely losing my memory (cause I have no memory of posting this) or is there another shawna on the list that I don't know about? How weird! Kinda makes me feel like I'm losing my mind! :) Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 17:14:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA07264; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:14:11 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA07259; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:14:09 -0800 Received: (inanna@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA28407; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:52:31 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:52:31 -0800 (PST) From: Melissa Wong To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Wednesday dinner... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So it seems Phil Reger is coming to SF next week and wants to hang wit' da' crew ;) That's you guys! Some friends of mine and I are going to have dinner and hopefully do some boogying down with him. This is your invitation to join us. We haven't decided on an eatery yet. Any ideas? Wanna' go? M- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 17:28:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08261; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:28:37 -0800 Received: from worm.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08239; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:28:33 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05248; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:28:31 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:28:31 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603020128.RAA05248@worm.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: potential ride to tahoe cabin gig Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk O.K. this time i am begging for a ride to tahoe for SteveO's cabin trip (march 15,16,17) i can contribute head gear, and gas and vibe......oh and i'm bringing music too. I am still looking for a "date" who might take me, (as I've paid for 2) but I'm not sure anyone wants to go on a date me !!!!! say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 17:30:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08459; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:30:59 -0800 Received: from mercury.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA08449; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:30:55 -0800 Received: by mercury.earthlink.net (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.4) id ; Fri, 1 Mar 96 17:29 PST X-Sender: philr@mercury.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:30:49 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: philr@earthlink.net (Philip Reger) Subject: Re: Wednesday dinner... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk can't wait! should be a blast.. at last some of you SF groodies will have a chance to proove that you shake just as hard as us LA kids! >So it seems Phil Reger is coming to SF next week and wants to hang wit' >da' crew ;) That's you guys! Some friends of mine and I are going to >have dinner and hopefully do some boogying down with him. This is your >invitation to join us. We haven't decided on an eatery yet. Any ideas? >Wanna' go? phil -- Phil Reger, Content Technical Mgr. | v: 818-296-2400x2820 EarthLink Network, Inc. | f: 818-296-2470 philr@earthlink.net | 3100 New York Dr. http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 17:54:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA10006; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:54:28 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA09991; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:54:24 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA05243 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:54:16 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA07024 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:54:15 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA13719 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:54:12 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:57:42 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: If you're going to Chrysalis Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ...you'll spot me by my customary ponytail held by many colorful terry hairbands and my bright SHROOMARAMA t-shirt. So, if you see me, don't be shy...say high! :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 17:57:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA10273; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:57:23 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA10266; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:57:20 -0800 Received: from [153.36.85.80] (Cust16.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.85.80]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA13737; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:57:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199603020157.RAA13737@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:57:32 +1000 To: Milton Cecil From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: old fart at heart.....NOT !!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >So I ask you.......is there an age limit to our >culture..........hardly....its all in the mind >and I can tell you that if I'm still walking around when I'm 60 years old, >I'll still be playing my music........say no more Not for me!! I'm 52, soon to be 53. Se ya all at Freq-8 tonight... Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 18:08:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA11222; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:08:37 -0800 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA11211; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:08:34 -0800 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA22029; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:07:18 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199603020207.SAA22029@netcom15.netcom.com> Subject: More Prometheus Unbound flyer details To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:07:17 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 779 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi - Someone suggested I add a few more details to the post about Prometheus UnBound tonight , additional info from flyer - > This party with Derrick May and Stacey Pullen is tonight in SF. Also - John Williams, Gary-O, Graeme, Dutch, Das and - "The Gardening Club" : darkhorse, professorsmith, abstract, matty, u.f.o. and - Spacetime Continuum > > 444 DeHaro, at 17th. > > Presale tix are $15, available at Housewares, Primal, Groove Merchant. > At the door entrance is $20. Also , tickets are available at Solid Grooves in San Jose (408) 999-0259 ( it may be too late - try calling the store ) > Limited Capacity. > No minors (18+). ID needed, bar is available. > > Info line is 415/273-1622 > More info numbers: (510) 874-4733, (916) 554-7177, (408) 327-9277 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 18:45:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA13912; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:45:36 -0800 Received: from isis.source.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA13907; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:45:32 -0800 Received: by isis.source.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id SAA01592; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:43:23 -0800 From: "anne petrie" Message-Id: <9603011843.ZM1590@isis.source.net> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:43:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: tim744@silicon.email.net "Signing off Sfraves" (Feb 29, 8:52pm) References: <9602292052.S256823972@silicon.email.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: tim744@silicon.email.net Subject: Re: Signing off Sfraves Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tim, I'm sorry that you've decided to sign off from the Sfraves list. Just so you know, I actually don't delete messages until after I've read them. So, not everyone is deleting your messages! The only thing that I delete without reading is the SFRaves calendar. I live in Santa Barbara now and it makes me miss SF to read the calendar. Anyway, if you think that this list is a waste of your time, it probably is. However, I encourage you to stay on the list because there are some people on this list who are really trying to elevate the vibe to a higher level. This is good for all of us! Also, there are some pretty goofy posts sometimes that make you smile Admit it, I know you smiled when people were posting all those Schoolhouse Rock lyrics from when we were young! ;) Anyway, if you decide to split, I wish you sweetness and light. Sadly, I won't be running into you at any parties anytime soon :( warmly, -- Anne Petrie Third Wave Solutions, Inc. E-mail: anne@source.net Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 19:02:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA15242; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:02:26 -0800 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA15229; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:02:22 -0800 From: Trolup@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA24848 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:01:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:01:50 -0500 Message-ID: <960301220149_235598355@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: LET'S HAVE A PARTY Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Everybody, i just thought of something......when it gets warmer we should all get together one day and have our own little BBQ party and we can all work together to bring whatever is needed, such as food, beverages, plates, music, etc......that way we could all meet eachother...anyways it was just a thought!!!! luv jen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 19:26:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA17203; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:26:38 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA17197; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:26:34 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA05545; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:26:30 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9603011926.ZM5543@well> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:26:30 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Niels P. Mayer" "Re: A dumb but unanswered question" (Mar 1, 11:31am) References: <199603011931.LAA13402@netcom11.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: "Niels P. Mayer" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: A dumb but unanswered question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk And then there's Bob Marley and "Midnight ravers, please don't let me down." phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 19:56:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA19134; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:56:22 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA19125; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:56:19 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA14505; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:56:10 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9603011956.ZM14502@well> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:56:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) "House? Educate me" (Mar 1, 11:31am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: House? Educate me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Uh oh, here goes. What is house music? "A new form of music that gives complete freedom of expression." Actually, house is anchored firmly in the four-to-the-bar kick drum and deep, loud bass that underlies much of dance music generally. Like any musical style, it's kind of hard to describe exactly. In addition, the term "house" covers a very wide range now from near-ambient to post-disco club sounds to very minimal "Chicago track" styles to very fast "nu-energy" to what-have-you. So it's very dangerous to generalize, but I think house is pretty well defined by its underpinnings, the use of drums and bass in a propulsive, steady beat typically between 115 and 135 beats per minute (although the new "high energy" styles go up as high as 160). House has many influences, but disco, soul, gospel, funk and jazz, especially Latin jazz, all can be found in the house genre, either as rhythmic or melodic foundations or as direct samples. As far as samples, actually, hip hop has also been a big source although the rhythmic structures are somewhat different. It's really hard to generalize about house, and there are very wide overlaps with other genres like techno. It has the breadth of jazz in its many variants but is almost entirely designed to be dance music, where jazz branched out and became mostly listening music. But most of all, house is a feeling, just like the blues. phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 20:03:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA19856; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:03:59 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA19822; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:03:52 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:03:52 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Thomas To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, SoCal-Raves , 313@hyperreal.com, idm@hyperreal.com Subject: derrick may@clubwired Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk sound quality isn't the greatest, but Derrick May is rippin shit up live right now: http://www.hotwired.com/feedback/96/09/stuff/may.28.8.ram http://www.hotwired.com/feedback/96/09/stuff/may.14.4.ram Andy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 20:05:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA20061; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:05:40 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA20056; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:05:36 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id UAA04917; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:04:10 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199603020404.UAA04917@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: Prometheus Unbound - tonight in SF To: fixer@ramona.cyborganic.com (fixer) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:04:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: sf@ramona.cyborganic.com, noise@organic.com, 313@hyperreal.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, drue@vivid.com In-Reply-To: from "fixer" at Mar 1, 96 03:54:18 pm URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk DJ schedule: 10:00-11:30 Gary O 11:30-1:00 Jon Williams 1:00-2:00 Space Time Continuim 2:00-5:00 Derrick May 5:00-7:00 Stacey Pullen I don't have the ambient room schedule... -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 20:13:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA20776; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:13:03 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA20766; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:12:59 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id UAA00748; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:12:55 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:14:36 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: Recent News Articles Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jeffrey_Coons@ccmail.rsco.com wrote: >This is what is out in the press, correct information or not, its what >the masses read. just so you know. An abbreviated version of the actual paper published in the Journal of Clinical Pathology was passed on here by someone. For anyone who missed it or found it impenetrable, the authors' claims were much more cautious than is suggested in these articles. They said basically: here we have some people whose deaths were connected with MDMA use--can we identify any pattern of abnormal pathology in them? The answer is yes--liver damage, etc.--but the authors make quite clear that they have no evidence for any biochemical relationship between MDMA and these pathologies. They point out that their findings are consistent with other pathology patterns observed in non-MDMA situations, notably with the tissue damage found in heatstroke or hyperthermia victims, which of course is the same old news that's been around for years: trippers dancing madly in stifling overheated environments can find themselves overheated as well. They note that not all of the subjects died in hyperthermia, but leave open the possibility of damage due to previous non-fatal hyperthermic episodes. [...] > Dr Milroy concluded: "The short-term risks of ecstasy use are becoming >increasingly more apparent, and questions must be asked about the long-term >effects on the brain, liver and heart, considering the pathology in those who >die." This is a reasonable synopsis, but it takes on a different sense in the context of the JCP paper rather than in a popular press scare article. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 20:13:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA20795; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:13:09 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA20784; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:13:04 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id UAA00752; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:12:58 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:14:40 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: know thine enemy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) wrote: >At 01:43 PM 2/29/96 -0800, SDream wrote: >>He's not frightening to me at all. He's a dinosaur. And to be truthful, I >>hope he's selected to represent the Republican party in '96. >> >>BECAUSE HE'LL NEVER WIN! I myself doubt that a majority of American voters would support Buchanan. But remember, he doesn't need a majority...15% is enough, if only 30% vote. And that doesn't seem unlikely at all. >Dude, I wish I could say that I believe you but outside of the Bay Area >there are some really reactionary people. And a lot of plain old apathetic ones. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 20:13:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA20818; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:13:15 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA20812; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:13:11 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id UAA00762; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:13:06 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:14:47 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: Re> Radio stations and formats Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) wrote: >It may not be GOOD, but Wild 107 DOES play quite a bit of house music. >Since it has become a trendy item, I have heard quite a lot of >303-like squealing on that station along with the usual slow jams and >hiphop. You do hear it, and (IMHO) it's not even too bad, but it's incredibly limited...they might have three or four house tunes playing, but that's *all* you'll hear in any given week or two. And naturally even the coolest house track gets monotonous when it's played again and again, totally straight. KMEL is a bit better, especially on weekend nights, and they also play (mostly on the same schedule) cool hip-hop that's more fun than the typical Top 40 stuff. KOME ("modern rock"), interestingly, has never played any sort of house/techno tune that I've heard, yet uses them incessantly as backdrops for DJ announcements, station IDs, and so on. Obviously they appreciate something in the style, but don't think it's worth playing as "real" music. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 20:24:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA21599; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:24:00 -0800 Received: from ix10.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA21591; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:23:57 -0800 Received: from by ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA29302; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:23:24 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:23:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199603020423.UAA29302@ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Posts o' the Moon To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Did anyone get a chance to look outside & check out the ENORMOUS halo around the moon? It's bee-YOO-tiful!! Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 20:50:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA23403; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:50:37 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA23394; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:50:33 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tsjH4-000D9MC; Fri, 1 Mar 96 20:50 PST Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:50:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: LET'S HAVE A PARTY To: Trolup@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960301220149_235598355@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i'd love to help in any way possible to make this happen. i see a lot of people want to have an sfr party, but nothing seems to get put together... hmm... it will befinetly be a lot easier with good weather and outdoors! energy, tom On Fri, 1 Mar 1996 Trolup@aol.com wrote: > Everybody, > i just thought of something......when it gets warmer we should all get > together one day and have our own little BBQ party and we can all work > together to bring whatever is needed, such as food, beverages, plates, music, > etc......that way we could all meet eachother...anyways it was just a > thought!!!! > luv > jen > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 20:51:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA23473; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:51:26 -0800 Received: from capt.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA23461; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:51:22 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by capt.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA25893; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:51:20 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:51:20 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603020451.UAA25893@capt.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: legal question ? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk does anyone know the penalty (fine etc.. ) for driving with a suspended licence. I just got a ticket for "running a red lite" and my bike was impounded. I wonder if anyone else has dealt with this and knows how long the licence is suspended further, and what the fine and other penalties are ? I have to appear in early april........moonpup (very bummed) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 21:04:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA24747; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:04:54 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA24742; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:04:51 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA09859; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:05:44 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:05:44 -0800 (PST) To: Anarch cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: know thine enemy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 1 Mar 1996, Anarch wrote: > geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) wrote: > >At 01:43 PM 2/29/96 -0800, SDream wrote: > >>He's not frightening to me at all. He's a dinosaur. And to be truthful, I > >>hope he's selected to represent the Republican party in '96. > >> > >>BECAUSE HE'LL NEVER WIN! > > I myself doubt that a majority of American voters would support Buchanan. > But remember, he doesn't need a majority...15% is enough, if only 30% vote. > And that doesn't seem unlikely at all. Remember your high school politics class? The people don't elect the president anyways, the electorial college does. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 21:11:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA25655; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:11:10 -0800 Received: from capt.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA25649; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:11:07 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by capt.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA26526; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:11:00 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:11:00 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603020511.VAA26526@capt.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: re: lets have a party Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I would love to volounteer to Dj or whatever for an SFRaves party, so when its warmer we should put all this energy and talent together and pool our resources......I'm up for a party if you are !!!!! moonpup say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 21:15:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA25999; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:15:39 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA25993; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:15:36 -0800 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id VAA00672; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:24:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:24:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199603020524.VAA00672@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Peter Fogel , Quaker State Tapioca Rupture From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: An Old Fart Looks At The Scene Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 09:31 AM 3/1/96 -0800, Peter Fogel wrote: > > >On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Quaker State Tapioca Rupture wrote: > > >> I too am older -- 41 -- and have been lurking here for a few weeks. >> >> >> It's also encouraging, because I've been kind of reticent to check >> it out for fear of feeling out of place. Hmm, maybe I'll check it >> out... so if y'all see an Old Fart looking a little bashful by the >> sidelines, give 'im a smile. >> >There is many of us old farts in this scene. I'm 36, but very rarely ever >feel like an old fart in this scene. There are no age barriers in the >place of love for the music. >Welcome, > >:) >peter > > Ol farts are comin out od da wookwork, I turned 39 January 9th. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 21:34:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA27326; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:34:45 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA27321; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:34:42 -0800 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id VAA00722; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:43:47 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:43:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199603020543.VAA00722@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Pray to the Moon, When she is rounde, Luck with you, Shall then abounde, Whatever you seek for, Shall be founde, In Sea, Or Skye, Or Solid grounde, Monday night, It's ON! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 21:47:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA27937; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:47:13 -0800 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA27931; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:47:10 -0800 From: natural@sirius.com Received: from 205.134.228.14 (ppp014-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.14]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id VAA17001 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:47:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3137714D.2B9F@sirius.com> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 21:51:09 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Derrick May Feedback Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Please let us know what you thoughts are about the broadcast tonight and would you be interested in others in the future. Thank you Darkhorse From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 21:50:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA28122; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:50:25 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA28110; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:50:22 -0800 From: matt515@uclink4.berkeley.edu Received: from davebors.hip.berkeley.edu (jlai.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.96.100]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA01620 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:50:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:50:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199603020550.VAA01620@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: matt515@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com Subject: Greetings!!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi, everyone !!! Hello, my name is Matt. I moved to Berkeley from San Diego about two months ago. Berkeley is rad, but I don't know many people here yet. Shouts out to Mike: thanx for showing me how to subscribe to SFRaves. I would like to say hi to everyone here at SFRaves. It's nice to see that that are other people with similar views and tastes in music, especially when almost everyone around you is into Green Day and TLC. Anyway, about me. I've been raving avidly for the past two-n-half years. Before my rave days I was heavily into electro-industrial (Lassigue Bendthaus,FLA,etc.). I still enjoy the genre, especially Lassigue Bendthaus. The man behind the group is Victor Sol, also of the Atom Heart/Datacide fame. OK, enough about the past. San Diego has a nice scene that's constantly improving, especially in the trippy/happy/acid trance area. Recently, the Evolution Tribe opened their first store, which is called The Elevator. Two excellent DJs work there, David X and Electric Sheep. If anyone ever gets a chance to go to one of their parties in San Diego, definitely go. Besides being amazing DJs, they're also very friendly and down to earth kinda guys. Mention me for a discount( just kiddin'). Now back to Berkeley. If anyone wants to respond, please do. Any mail is appreciated. Sincerely, Matthew Marat From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 22:12:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA29458; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:12:05 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA29444; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:12:01 -0800 Received: by island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tskXl-000FbrC; Fri, 1 Mar 96 22:11 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 96 22:11 PST From: solo@IslandNet.com (solo) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Derrick May Feedback Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Please let us know what you thoughts are about the broadcast tonight > and would you be interested in others in the future. > Thank you > Darkhorse > Are you kidding? bring it on...that was vera vera cool Derrick is playing at my party here in Victoria on the 9th..Im gonna lose my head! ****** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully v2.0 Netscapified ****** -----> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <----- come say Hi -> telnet to mud.islandnet.com 4321 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 1 22:17:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA00243; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:17:25 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA00237; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:17:21 -0800 Received: from ameba.com.v-site.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id WAA00827; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:26:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3137E5EE.34C@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 22:08:46 -0800 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com CC: ameba@netcom.com Subject: foodnotbombs benifit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Party for a reason. saturday march 2 non-profit simulcast 87.9 solar, starsky, boogie soft 415.487.6606 sunday afterparty 973 minna 5-8am dj pedro From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 01:42:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA13252; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 01:42:10 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA13246; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 01:42:07 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960301043019.006a6ff4@mail.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@mail.liberty.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:30:19 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Rave, List, Me, Political, & Computer Related Stuff: ReSent-Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 01:42:05 -0800 (PST) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND: First, what's going on tonight, Thursday 2/29/96.....oh my it's a leap year. Second, looking for last weeks calendar and this weeks if it's out yet, so could some kind soul please send it to me. Third, I've been down for over a week sleeping with my new system which at this point is about 85% stable and going up(yes, I'm cohabiting for all you tech heads in Win 95, with unsupported hardware, & without even a warning). However, and to my dismay my ISP provider went down as well, and the unthinkable happened. They lost a weeks worth of mail, argh!!!!!! So if you sent me something from Friday 2/23/96, until today, I haven't gotten it & won't unless you resend. Fourth, I'm looking at my Alameda County Sample Ballot for the Green party, and yes I see Ralph Nader is their parties Candidate for President of the United States. WE have a chance to place a good honest person in office, please don't pass this one by. If anyone would like to discuss this with me, please e-mail me privately, thanks. Finally, with my new system I picked up Delrina's CommSuite for WIN95, by Symantec. It's an integrated Web Browser, Fax Software, Communications Packages with Full Internet Functionality(eg Mail, IRC, FTP, Gopher ...etc), all in one package. It seems to work seamlessly, however the Web Browsers appearance leaves something to be desired compared to Netscape, which has wonderful appeal visually but lacks functionality. But for intro price of $100 that I paid for it at CompUSA it's worth it. You will pay at least that to register all the other products that are out there and get something less. Sin Brian Darkness From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 01:49:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA13565; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 01:49:45 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA13558; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 01:49:42 -0800 From: IONHELP@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: <960301203720_338279069@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: mh2o@well.com Subject: Doors of Perception --Long ReSent-Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 01:49:38 -0800 (PST) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Doors of Perception I hope this email to sfraves via aol, arrives in a readible format. Note, the 'ion.help' aol address is not my personal email address, which of course is 'mh2o@well.com', however I wanted to get this post out today and this was the only method to do so at the moment. Hello everyone. My name is Maureen Garrett or Mau, some friends call me Mobos, a schroom medicine name I was given at the '95 Burning Man. I am certain that many of you have seen me around, although the number of parties I was able to experience in '95 diminished from '94 and that year from Jan. '93. Back in '93 there was a period where I was fairly active on sfraves as well. Several months ago, I re-subscribed mostly because I felt the loss of one on one connectedness to the group mind and because like you, the House Movement affects my very soul on a molecular level.. More on that perhaps at another time. I have sat silent as a 'lurker' (so I am told we are called, those who simply read and do not contribute) for the past few months. (Speaking of lurker, it really is a derogatory word you know, even in jest.) So instead, call me a 'listener'. For that is exactly what I have been doing these past few months, listening to all of you speak. Now that the company I work for is between projects, I hope to utilize some free time to express myself here. Of course what I write, except for events that are factual and hopefully expressed in an objective manner, all comments are my opinion, my take on things, sometimes humble....If anything I say pisses you off, before you 'flame on', look in the mirror, for we are all mirrors for each other. The intent of this writing and sharing is multi purpose, One is to remember, and One is to open a discussion of how we can contribute to the prevention of the dystopian fascist society which is approaching at lightspeed and makes any dark futuristic speculative SF novel, see John Brunner, Philip K. Dick, etc., look like a picnic. In essence, I seek to focus my lens on the bigger picture and how that will impact us all in the House, remembering ultimately that Mother Earth is the House and the sky above, the atmosphere, is our roof. There has been much discussion on sfraves of how we can get along as individuals in the House. Everyone here already knows intrinsically how to do this. I have been very moved by the ease in which many of you apologize to each other for flames and by your conversations and quest for knowledge and love for each other. I think the beginning act for each individual is 'to pay attention' to what is going on around you. Let there be no flaming wars amongst us, but heart felt passionate discussions should there be any at all as a result of this post. Hear in you mind the ending Apollo sample/mix from Banco de Gaia's "Last Train to Lhasa". Jump gate initiated, here goes: The following questions were asked some time ago and my heart could not bear the silence any longer. And while I have taken them out of a greater context, they remain part of the greater picture. It matters not who asked them. They are: "Who are all the other people we are so scared of?" "Who's the big bad wolf?" "Why do we need bouncers at raves?" "Why?" the 'Wacko Factor' for one. E.g. you are standing near the produce section of Safeway deciding whether to purchase romaine or spinach, and someone pulls out a knife. The common belief is that "it can't happen to me" --yet reality has often taught us..... Those who forget the past, are doomed to repeat it.... REMEMBER I believe it was in the late spring of 1993 when Gabe Caesara of Berkeley was shot and killed at a party in Watsonville. He was in his late teens, a promising musician, and beloved son of Phillip and Linda, good friends to myself and many others involved in a local underground shamanic community. (Why underground? To avoid persecution from other religious communities. Freedom of Religion or Spiritual Practice...yah, right) The party was being held in an old metal siding warehouse. A young gentle woman throwing the party was at the door when the extremely drunk men approached the first time. My understanding from a conversation with her is that she told them they could not come in because they were drunk and it would ruin the vibe, (something to that effect). They went away and came back. This time they returned with baseball bats and proceeded to demand entrance again, and ended up pounding on the thin metal walls. They went away and came back once more, this time with a 22 caliber gun and fired 2-3 shots minimum through the metal. One bullet entered the brain of Gabe (who was peaking in a most ecstatic manner at the time, according to his brother who was dancing with him) and died shortly thereafter in a hospital. The question I am certain which has haunted people for some time is "Could this have been prevented had 'physically strong men & women' aka Spiritual Warriors been guarding the front door?" Or perhaps if this were to ever happen again, and all rational attempts (backed by powerful Ki) to make the drunken people 'go away and sober up' have failed, certainly before the bullets are fired might the party be stopped and the police be called? No life is worth the chance of harm or death for any number of people getting to continue to party, unless we are willing to dance and die for our freedom--and may all the names of god or spirit prevent this from ever being necessary...... I see Gabe's mother Linda a minimum of once a month for body work, and I believe that both her and Phillip would be saddened to know that their son's meaningless death had already been forgotten so it seems, by the people and movement he loved so dearly . That it also seems, no lesson was learned. Quote the Raven, "Nevermore." Note: For some time after Gabe's death, Martin O'Brian would hang a memorial black light painting for Gabe at his parties. And lastly, I realize that recent discussion on sfraves indicate that there is a need for documenting the history of the beloved House Movement. Stories such as these need to be included in that history. MESSAGE So when I hear thoughts written regarding whether or not we need security at parties I can only exclaim, "Wake up people" or "Wake the fuck up people!" which ever you choose.. The answer is "Yes", we need security at even the most private and underground of parties for a variety of reasons, consider a different view, a different approach to security: A TEACHING **Consider security in a different light, and may they consider themselves in a different light.** Consider that the people who guard the perimeter of our space are actually in fact guarding our ceremonial space, and that most parties are ceremonies, (sans many alchemical elements which could up the energy level and potential for even deeper transformational work, IMHO). Often the unspoken overall intent of many parties is simply "dancing esctatic as a group of individuals, to open or empty our minds so that new things can enter." Sometimes it happens collectively, nearly everyone comes out with the same 'hit' on things. The security people serve an important purpose and they are doing a big 'give away' to those of us who dance. Thank them in some fashion before the party ends. Be appreciative of all the people who work at parties for that matter, every time you dance-- consciously remember them. And take turns at parties giving away your night so that someone else can dance.... REVOLUTION Gabe might not have died had there been no need to 'hide what we were doing', to be 'underground'. I believe we all would prefer safe environments in which to dance our dreams awake -- not fire trap, polluted, ill watered, unventilated warehouses in very questionable areas of town. True story. Hunter's Point, Cool World. The very first rave I ever went to was around January 4 of 1993 and those of us in line while a large gun was pointed at us were ordered to "Drop Mother Fuckers, Drop!" Many people were cowering around me and I, as a Macumazon (Swahili-he who sleeps with one eye open, see H.Rider Haggard, ) watched. It was an undercover cop busting someone. I imagine there are those who 'like' the underground illegal feel to things, sort of a rebellious response to the parental-like rules and laws of our local, state, and federal governments. I understand this, however we no longer have the luxury of time (perhaps decades?) to grow up and growing up in this sense means that not all rules and laws are bad, nor are all older people miscellaneous versions of your parents, nor are they the enemy. I know y'all know this, however in our scene, the majority do not. Many elders (in most tribal cultures this means anyone older than you, especially alot older than you or me) can speak from the portal of wisdom. The battle is to make what is illegal, legal...and we can do it if we focus our lens as a collective... I do not deny that there is a feeling of power in infiltrating the defense grids of the local park rangers and sheriffs. For myself, the greatest feeling of an outdoor illegal party is that in the moment we are symbolically dancing as free human beings, dancing with our ancestors thousands of years ago, before the (anti*)-Christian hammer fell and drove us out of balance, big time. *Anti, for most do not love everyone as Christ allegedly did, therefore they are not Christlike, big IMHO there. When we go outside it is always wonderful. Imagine 'that' being always legal and hassle free,to dance at night under the stars, virtually anywhere we choose? Imagine a world whereby we respect natures laws as well as an agreed upon set human laws? Yes, many of us who dance in this powerful light and state of being at parties do indeed have an intense love in our hearts for everything and everyone. Yes the heartfelt smiles we beem at each other and strangers affects their circles and so on and on. Many of you have spoken in a manner indicating that you believe this is enough...However, consider as we party all night long, the United States Government, the NWO (obviously in this context, a simplified statement pointing to a complex entity) continues to swing towards a Fascist State throughout our trance night, and that manifesto is being implemented without our consent as we hip hop along, as we groove-out on the dancefloor...If you have not yet registered to vote, do so and choose the lessor of two evils. There is so much work to do, of course a realistic goal is to put someone into the White House we believe in....For now, vote for the lessor of two evils, don't throw your vote away to a candidate who has absolutely no chance of winning. Clinton has turned out to be a sorry assed MF, but god help us if Dole or Buchannan is elected... THE HOUSE MOVEMENT Definition, what it isn't. It isn't just us. It is everyone, every group of people on a path which strives to dance in both worlds, and the places between. I believe that all peoples around the world who have forgotten how to dance would rave (to any music) on any beach, desert, field, meadow or mountain if really given the chance.... THERE AND BACK AGAIN Think of life as a spiral dance. What goes around does come around, above or below the spiral (among other planes). With the following, please see meaning as opposed to any incorrect dates etc. From 1966 on, when Flower Power began coursing through the veins of open-minded people accross America, (many of which were college students), the United States government did everything in their power to kill the movement, by illegalizing mind expanding drugs*(*they 'knew'), by killing our heros, satanising our music, by using tear gas and bullets, and by providing the beginnings of a huge media supplement to living instead of actually engaging one's life, which Harlen Ellison referrs to as 'the Glass Teat' etc. Thirty years later, the dreams of the 60's have morphed and grown into The House Movement. We are back again for another chance, on a higher level on that spiral. It is no different today as we are still under attack, but the war is much more insidious than before. The enemy has had thirty years to dig even deeper trenches--trenches of the mind, to condition the masses, to alienate people from each other, from their neighbors, from themselves, to instill hatred and bigotry in the hearts of millions of people, to 'allow' the production of the truely destructive drugs and focus efforts to banish the natural ones, the teacher plants given to us by this lifeform we have named Earth, who many call Mother Earth.. Remember the first rule of war, is to "Divide and conquer your enemies". So what does this mean to the House Movement? What do the above revolutionary ideals mean to those of us who believe that the drumbeat we so love, is an ancient nuturing heartbeat connecting us to all life, past present and future? It matters not whether it be live or techno, analog or digital, tribal drumming, goa or trance, house, industrial, celtic, native american, music from every culture on earth, etc.. It means that a great force is trying to dissuade us, to coerce us into accepting their drum, which really isn't an instrument of peace but more like some twisted pacemaker--a device for automatons. It is a controlling device which makes us work at unnatural speeds beyond human ability; it sends killing stress to our biological hearts; it offers no reward for our toil. It is an artificial heart comprised of controlled pulses of electric information, neither written or guided by the Bill of Rights, but by those who seek to control your mind and body...obviously the massive fundamentalist movement in America and others.. And the fluid of this heart is a mass of unnatural chemicals and additives in food, in effect, artificial blood. We have become a nation eating damn near unpronouncable contents in the food amassed with our methods of pharmaceutical pill popping at the slightest nasal weeze.. I doubt we will ever evolve into creatures of light on this path. And on and on... Admittedly the above is a dark picture, know that I could write pages and pages praising the light of the House Movement, however I deeply believe that if we ignore the dark spaces between, the places difficult look at, we risk loosing it all. (I apologize for using dark as a negative, for I love the darkness of the forest, the blackness of the heavens, etc.). In all actuality, the forces who say they are the light are really the dark, and those who dance in the House are the light.. hmmm, tonight I dance for House freedom and how to make it reality...that and more. We have much work to do my friends if you want to see your children dancing in the House. Where do we begin? And ask the question, "Why are they afraid of us?" And remember, witches were burned at the stake for less.... At this time I wish to thank many people who have shared so much with me since I began dancing in the House. They are Jim, M, Bonnie, Martin, Kevin, Jerry, Fred, all the folks who put on Unity I & II and those who danced for Mal, the FMR Wicked Crew (especially the massive 'Clan of the Cave Bear' party at Bonnie Dune during the summer of '94 and the NMR folks past, present & future, the F8 Crew for bringing my favorite music to the Bay Area en masse, (there was a time when I would go to parties just because one DJ spun fast trance) and everyone who contributes the sound systems, everyone whoever worked a party, or contributed amazing art and altars, the man with ceramic peace necklaces in countless languages, everyone who projected the love and happiness in their hearts through their smiles on a myriad of dance floors, everyone who brings us 'clean' teacher medicines, and especially everyone who creates the music we so dearly love and the DJ's who spin it. I would also like to thank Mr. Darkness for months of inspirational words which further acted as a catalyst and got me off my listening ass...and I thank all those I have forgotten................. This morning when the clock turned 2:11 AM I entered my "Secret to Life, the Universe and Everything" birthday and will be attending F8's event tonight, March 1. Come up and introduce yourself, I will be wearing a big black belt with bullets and chains, (the best use of bullets I have ever seen), plus other clothes ;-). I will look for those laminates and various postings of what y'all are wearing tonight as roadmaps. Peace, love & ... "Rave, rave against the dying of the light" --Mobos From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 02:07:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA14946; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:07:30 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA14939; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:07:26 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id CAA29682; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:07:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:07:18 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: deadheadz <--------> raverz In-Reply-To: <01I1S1X18L2A003G0H@EDEN.HAC.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Dave shared: > > > deadheadz raverz > > would rather do a show than anything | would rather rave than anything > often go in costume | often go in costume > start dancing when the music starts | start dancing when the music starts > are attracted to shiny objects | are attracted to shiny objects > partake of chemical sacraments | partake of chemical sacraments > smile, smile, smile! | smile, smile, smile! > Peace and LOVE | PLUR > headquartered in bay area | bay area is one of the main meccas > love electronics in music | love electronics in music > the spacier the better | the spacier the better > body art and piercing | body art and piercing > liked Dr. Leary and friends | like Dr. Leary and friends > act like life is a cartoon | act like life is a cartoon And I'll add... ravers deadheads ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- practice homegrown free enterprise by selling stuff they've made themselves Femo necklaces, DJ tapes, | tie-dyed clothes, pipes, glittery clothing, etc. | hair weaves, etc. enjoy tribal drumming circles | enjoy tribal drumming circles create online communities (rave lists) | create online communities (WELL) wish authorities would leave us alone | wish authorities would leave... funky vehicles | funkier vehicles better to give than to sell | better to give than to sell hugging is an end in itself | hugging is an end in itself Peace, Luv & Grooviness, <<< Starchild >>> > > hmmmmm, are there any more similarities????? > > Dave SCruton > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 02:14:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA18108; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:14:40 -0800 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA18101; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 02:14:36 -0800 From: Trolup@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA16083 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 05:15:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 05:15:01 -0500 Message-ID: <960302051459_235780881@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fwd: Re: LET'S HAVE A PARTY Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk we'll all have to work together for this party as soon as the sun starts to shine luv jen --------------------- Forwarded message: From: djtom@svpal.org (Tom Leichardt) To: Trolup@aol.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: 96-03-01 23:50:46 EST i'd love to help in any way possible to make this happen. i see a lot of people want to have an sfr party, but nothing seems to get put together... hmm... it will befinetly be a lot easier with good weather and outdoors! energy, tom On Fri, 1 Mar 1996 Trolup@aol.com wrote: > Everybody, > i just thought of something......when it gets warmer we should all get > together one day and have our own little BBQ party and we can all work > together to bring whatever is needed, such as food, beverages, plates, music, > etc......that way we could all meet eachother...anyways it was just a > thought!!!! > luv > jen > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 04:17:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA28793; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 04:17:36 -0800 Received: from smtp2.interramp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA28788; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 04:17:33 -0800 Received: from pp000267 by smtp2.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id HAA02581; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 07:17:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 07:17:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199603021217.HAA02581@smtp2.interramp.com> X-Sender: pp000267@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Peter Fogel , Quaker State Tapioca Rupture From: pp000267@pop3.interramp.com (Paul Richard) Subject: Re: An Old Fart Looks At The Scene Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 09:31 AM 3/1/96 -0800, Peter Fogel wrote: > > >On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Quaker State Tapioca Rupture wrote: > > >> I too am older -- 41 -- and have been lurking here for a few weeks. >> >> >> It's also encouraging, because I've been kind of reticent to check >> it out for fear of feeling out of place. Hmm, maybe I'll check it >> out... so if y'all see an Old Fart looking a little bashful by the >> sidelines, give 'im a smile. >> >There is many of us old farts in this scene. I'm 36, but very rarely ever >feel like an old fart in this scene. There are no age barriers in the >place of love for the music. NTM love for all of the members of the scene. I'm 45, try to hit most of the phat parties here in DC, and those in SF when I can get there. Except for the occasional remark - wow, man, you're older than my father -- it's totally kewl. Welcome and enjoy! Paul Paul Richard pp000267@interramp.com Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita mi ritrovai per una selva piu' bella, che la diretta via era scoperta. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 08:19:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA11887; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 08:19:45 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA11879; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 08:19:42 -0800 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA28025; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 08:18:27 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199603021618.IAA28025@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Re: LET'S HAVE A PARTY To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 08:18:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <960301220149_235598355@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Trolup@aol.com" at Mar 1, 96 10:01:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 985 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] Recently , we had a suggestion for a party - > > Everybody, > i just thought of something......when it gets warmer we should all get > together one day and have our own little BBQ party and we can all work > together to bring whatever is needed, such as food, beverages, plates, music, > etc......that way we could all meet eachother...anyways it was just a > thought!!!! > luv > jen > I would strongly suggest that if the planning for this party is a GO , then don't schedule it opposite a competing outdoor rave. I found a nice little dell in a park near San Carlos and Redwood City , that I scheduled an SFRaves party for . What I didn't know was that a great outdoor rave was scheduled for the same date in Marin - nobody showed up at the park party! The spot is still there , of course - I'd suggest it again as a place for a party when the weather improves. I can provide directions and a description of the place. Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 09:41:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA17904; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 09:41:41 -0800 Received: from chum.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA17889; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 09:41:38 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by chum.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA23690; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 09:41:36 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 09:41:36 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603021741.JAA23690@chum.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: re:lert have a shindig Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk we can always take a lesson out of the FnF party book and do a daytime event.........no worries of losing sfravers to someone elses party......say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 10:17:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA21054; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:17:17 -0800 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA20963; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:16:23 -0800 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0tsvqn-0001q4C; Sat, 2 Mar 96 10:16 PST Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:16:13 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Hardie To: nw-raves@hyperreal.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: oh what a beautiful morning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk it's Saturday morning, it's finally March, the sun is shining bright here in Vancouver and I just felt like reminding you all how fucking amazing you are :) OOPS i swore in a public forum, oh well, you'll forgive me won't you? BIG GOOSHY HUGS k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 10:49:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA23250; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:49:28 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23244; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:49:25 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA13196 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:42:53 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 10:42:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199603021842.KAA13196@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: LET'S HAVE A PARTY X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Everybody, > i just thought of something......when it gets warmer we should all get >together one day and have our own little BBQ party and we can all work >together to bring whatever is needed, such as food, beverages, plates, music, >etc......that way we could all meet eachother...anyways it was just a >thought!!!! GREAT! I just happen to be the World's Greatest BBQ Chef! Ok, you can all stop grovelling happily at my culinary feet... Seriously though, that sounds like a fantastic idea! S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 11:26:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25858; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 11:26:13 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25851; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 11:26:08 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA263264638; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 11:23:59 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: LET'S HAVE A PARTY To: Trolup@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960301220149_235598355@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I would DEFINATELY be into something like that! :) love, Amy --------------- | _ ,/| | | '\`o O' | | =(_^_)= | Amy Starkey | |U| | sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu | | | | --------------- On Fri, 1 Mar 1996 Trolup@aol.com wrote: > Everybody, > i just thought of something......when it gets warmer we should all get > together one day and have our own little BBQ party and we can all work > together to bring whatever is needed, such as food, beverages, plates, music, > etc......that way we could all meet eachother...anyways it was just a > thought!!!! > luv > jen > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 12:12:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA29518; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 12:12:37 -0800 Received: from bass.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA29505; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 12:12:34 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by bass.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA09586; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 12:12:29 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 12:12:29 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603022012.MAA09586@bass.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BM Winnebego responses !!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk for those of you who responded to my post about a winnebego to burning man thank-you.......we already have some one who owns one and is maybe willing to let us rent it !!!! I'll have more info in the near future .........keep tuned, I will contact you all indivivdualy as the time and plans become more real.......thanks again moonpup hi ho hi ho....... to burning man we go !!!! with some mud and some bud it'll be no dud ......... ...........hi ho- hi ho hi ho hi ho.................say no more !!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 12:14:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA29679; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 12:14:04 -0800 Received: from crl.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA29673; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 12:14:01 -0800 Received: by crl.crl.com id AB21271 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for sfraves@hyperreal.com); Sat, 2 Mar 1996 12:01:42 -0800 From: Sharif Torpis Message-Id: <199603022001.AB21271@crl.crl.com> Subject: Re: Derrick May Feedback To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 12:01:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "solo" at Mar 1, 96 10:11:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 521 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Please let us know what you thoughts are about the broadcast tonight > > and would you be interested in others in the future. > > Thank you > > Darkhorse Sucked. Couldn't catch it. Going to www.hotwired/feedback produced same old page advertising derrick ... no realaudio, no shockwave, no nuttin ... yes, all that is installed on my end ... also tried to view it via mbone on our DS3 ... www.manmade.com/transmat is dead in the water ... can't even resolve www.manmade.com! ... what the hell happened yesterday? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 13:52:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09251; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 13:52:41 -0800 Received: from shgc.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09242; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 13:52:38 -0800 Received: from [171.65.76.81] by shgc.Stanford.EDU (8.7.4/inc-1.0) id VAA26837; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 21:52:35 GMT Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 21:52:35 GMT Message-Id: <199603022152.VAA26837@shgc.Stanford.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: piercy@toolik.Stanford.EDU (Mark Piercy) Subject: Chysalis canceled!!?? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oh well, thats what the VM said, and I was really looking forward to this one ,cause it was'nt at ACME, any one know the general area of planet rock? it's usally at that skate park all the way in Pittsburg? so it looks like Wicked for me,even if we got to get there at 3 to avoid the BS. Have Funnnnnn MArk ____________________________________________________ ****************Sleep deprivation is a good high.***************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 14:01:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA09855; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:01:08 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA09849; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:01:05 -0800 Received: from [153.36.103.42] (Cust42.Max6.San-Francisco.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.103.42]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA17440 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:00:39 -0800 X-Sender: leftjab@mail.well.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:02:52 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: leftjab@well.com (leftjab) Subject: New Chrysalis Info Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk No, I'm not with the crew, just an alert phone-caller 415-536-9453 It's now this afternoon, Sat 3 Mar 96, 3:00 pm, Berkeley Marina Peace & sunshine, Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 14:28:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA12375; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:28:15 -0800 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA12367; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:28:13 -0800 Received: from [205.134.228.66] (ppp066-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.66]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id OAA08325 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:28:07 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:28:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199603022228.OAA08325@moon.sirius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: natural@sirius.com (Natural) Subject: Prometheus Unbound /Transmat Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All, We just wanted to thank everybody who came out to hear Derrick May and Stacey Pullen play last night. It was great to see the people of San Francisco going crazy to some of Detroits best. Also, many thanks to all those that logged on for the Hotwired Feedback broadcast, it will be archived at Hotwired so if you missed it last night you can go back at check it out at your leisure. http://www.hotwired.com/feedback Apologies to those that were hoping to recieve the live broadcast from the event, but it was rendered impossible by a last minute change of venue and lack of a suitable connection. The entire nights music was recorded and will be broadcast art a later date by KFJC. We'll keep you updated at... http://www.manmade.com/transmat.html Once again, thanks to everyone for making it such a great night from natural music transmat records space children ___________________________________________________________________ coming this spring to a vinyl emporium near you..... (nm2002) SCHOOL OF THOUGHT "2X12EP" "5 samples of sonic adventure from Jon Williams and Jeff Taylor (the man behind Deluxe, The Ultraviolet Catastrophe, and the producer of the first 3 Hardkiss singles). Very, very strange, but very, very nice!" (mm-0002) Headtravel: the gardening club A CD+ with an hour of mixed music by Darkhorse from artists such as coldcut, SKYLAB, Cool Breeze, Outside(King Tubby rmx), Zion Train, Drome and Glamourous Hooligans. Interactive pychedelic madness from all the labels and video artists Synergy and Hyperdelic. Digital Study on hemp and the environment edited by Ed Rosenthal (ask Ed in High Times). Keep your eye out for it. natural music 1388 haight st area seven san francisco ca 94117 t 415 626 7707 f 415 621 6913 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 14:50:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA14077; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:50:26 -0800 Received: from yvr.cyberstore.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14067; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:50:22 -0800 Received: from lancet.cyberstore.ca (ylw-ppp-10.cyberstore.ca [204.244.6.10]) by yvr.cyberstore.ca (8.7.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22489 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:50:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.32.19960302224923.0067ad5c@cyberstore.ca> X-Sender: ylwm0232@cyberstore.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 02 Mar 1996 14:49:23 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Harvey Susser Subject: Testing Please Ignore....... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is a test.Please Ignore. ~ Increase Your Serenity ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 15:01:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA14875; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:01:11 -0800 Received: from moon.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA14868; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:01:07 -0800 Received: from [205.134.228.20] (ppp020-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.20]) by moon.sirius.com (8.6.12/8.6.9p) with SMTP id PAA12080; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:01:00 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:01:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199603022301.PAA12080@moon.sirius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sharif Torpis , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: natural@sirius.com (Natural) Subject: Re: Derrick May Feedback Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> > Please let us know what you thoughts are about the broadcast tonight >> > and would you be interested in others in the future. >> > Thank you >> > Darkhorse > >Sucked. Couldn't catch it. Going to www.hotwired/feedback produced >same old page advertising derrick ... no realaudio, no shockwave, >no nuttin ... yes, all that is installed on my end ... also tried >to view it via mbone on our DS3 ... www.manmade.com/transmat is >dead in the water ... can't even resolve www.manmade.com! ... what >the hell happened yesterday? The real audio on hotwired was from 6-9 there were people logged on from all over the world, can't understand why you had a problem. As for the MBONE we had a load of problems, the main one being a power cut, at the site of our server, thats why you couldn't get our address. As well as problem getting pac bells help from to short a notice due to the venue change. Sorry but we did everything humanly possible to get it out from the party, but the odds were against us. DH p.s The site is back up try http://www.manmade.com/transmat.html for shockwave ___________________________________________________________________ coming this spring to a vinyl emporium near you..... (nm2002) SCHOOL OF THOUGHT "2X12EP" "5 samples of sonic adventure from Jon Williams and Jeff Taylor (the man behind Deluxe, The Ultraviolet Catastrophe, and the producer of the first 3 Hardkiss singles). Very, very strange, but very, very nice!" (mm-0002) Headtravel: the gardening club A CD+ with an hour of mixed music by Darkhorse from artists such as coldcut, SKYLAB, Cool Breeze, Outside(King Tubby rmx), Zion Train, Drome and Glamourous Hooligans. Interactive pychedelic madness from all the labels and video artists Synergy and Hyperdelic. Digital Study on hemp and the environment edited by Ed Rosenthal (ask Ed in High Times). Keep your eye out for it. natural music 1388 haight st area seven san francisco ca 94117 t 415 626 7707 f 415 621 6913 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 15:10:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA15948; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:10:10 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA15903; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:10:00 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b9); Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:09:47 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:09:24 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Derrick May and Stacey Pullen Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just have one word to describe these o-l-d schoolers: Professional! Damn! (Yes, that means I had a great time. Watching them work was a treat!) -w ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 15:23:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA17164; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:23:17 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA17159; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:23:14 -0800 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id PAA02593; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:31:54 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:31:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199603022331.PAA02593@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sharif Torpis , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: Derrick May Feedback Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:01 PM 3/2/96 -0800, Sharif Torpis wrote: >> > Please let us know what you thoughts are about the broadcast tonight >> > and would you be interested in others in the future. >> > Thank you >> > Darkhorse > >Sucked. Couldn't catch it. Going to www.hotwired/feedback produced >same old page advertising derrick ... no realaudio, no shockwave, >no nuttin ... yes, all that is installed on my end ... also tried >to view it via mbone on our DS3 ... www.manmade.com/transmat is >dead in the water ... can't even resolve www.manmade.com! ... what >the hell happened yesterday? V-site.net (host of manmade.com) suffered a power failure followed by a disk failure. I guess the techno gods were paying us back for something I did. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 15:53:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA01764; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:53:02 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA01750; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:52:59 -0800 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id PAA19222; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:51:47 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199603022351.PAA19222@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: New Chrysalis Info (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:51:46 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 632 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] Jonathan helped with a Chrysalis update : > Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:02:52 -0800 > To: sfraves@hyperreal.com > Subject: New Chrysalis Info > > No, I'm not with the crew, just an alert phone-caller > > 415-536-9453 > > It's now this afternoon, Sat 3 Mar 96, 3:00 pm, Berkeley Marina > > Peace & sunshine, > > Jonathan > For you insecure , paranoid folks , he did make a mistake - it is TODAY , Mar. 2nd , not tomorrow , Mar. 3rd. That is - right now! The phone message also said that there will be another Chrysalis sometime later in the last two weeks of March. Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 16:02:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA02613; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 16:02:11 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02607; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 16:02:09 -0800 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA11693 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 19:01:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 19:01:43 -0500 Message-ID: <960302190142_158439969@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Planet Rock Strikes Back Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If you are going be on the look out for me, I will be wearing a black backwards baseball cap, blue jeans, and Ill be working the bar.... Come by and say hi!! Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 17:19:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA06646; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:19:34 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06615; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:19:30 -0800 Received: from [153.36.85.87] (Cust23.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.85.87]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA28714 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:19:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199603030119.RAA28714@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:19:44 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Need ride to Planet Rock from SF Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi. If anyone is planning to go to Planet rock who lives in Silicon Valley, SF, Oakland, or berkeley.. PLEASE give me a call.. I can meet you at any BART station later this evening, PLEASE PLEASE ANYONE!! Give me a call 1-800-381-5847 (Call is ven a freebie), PS, I'm on the guestlist, and that person who gives me a ride, gets in free tonight. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 17:33:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA07524; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:33:39 -0800 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA07516; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:33:36 -0800 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id RAA29015; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:32:18 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199603030132.RAA29015@netcom15.netcom.com> Subject: Late Chrysalis ID To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:32:18 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 396 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves list ] It's late to post this , but maybe some folks are still at home - I've decided to go to Chrysalis at Berkeley Marina , since it's a daytime thing now ( I have to work tomorrow ). I'll be wearing my SFR laminate , and my hand-painted "SFR" cap too! My wife Mary will be coming too , so please come up and say "hi!" if you recognize us! Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 19:34:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA16620; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 19:34:56 -0800 Received: from ix14.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA16614; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 19:34:53 -0800 Received: from by ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA10407; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 19:33:50 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 19:33:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199603030333.TAA10407@ix14.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Shine on you crazy "raver" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Don't know if anyone mentioned: "you raver, you seer of visions" shine on you crazy diamond - Pink Floyd From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 20:10:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA19388; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 20:10:57 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA19381; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 20:10:53 -0800 Received: from by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB22288; Sat, 2 Mar 96 23:10:05 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 23:16:08 -0500 To: any waifs From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: The perfect party: -a sirius message- Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 28 10:11:37 1996 >From: osiris7@cris.com >X-Sender: osiris7@pop3.cris.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:14:11 -0500 >To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com >Subject: The perfect party: -a sirius message- >Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com >Precedence: bulk > >(...up to my usual antics...) > >Responding to: >>Besides a deejay lineup, what else would create the perfect party for you? >>Within reason, as in what can actually be doable for a party to be perfect? > >I don't know that such a thing as a perfect party exists for me in a rave >sense, because when I think of the concept of a "rave" as I have >experienced it so far, I think of complete chaos and diversity. I'm not >sure that there can be "perfection" along the lines we are walking with an >event so chaotic in its nature, and with people as un-united as they are, >unless we evolve different forms of the current ecstatic rave experience. >(And then I suppose there's always the perspective that the diversity and >chaos is perfection, including any confusion or freaky vibes. Hm, there's >a novel thought for ya, but I aim high.... or I am high... or something >like that.) ;> > >But... since someone was kind enough to start this thread and encourage us >to dream and focus on what we DO want as opposed to focusing on what we >don't want (great idea, considering we tend to get what we focus on), I'll >throw my seven cents into the wishing well... > >I treasure this diversity and chaos, and I am sure such events will >continue in some form or another (they always have), but my 'perfect' party >would have to be a slightly modified and more focused form of a rave as we >know it today, so you're gonna have to excuse me as I step into a vision I >have of a rave in the future. (Or more appropriately, not THE future, but >MY future... far be it from me to impose what I will create in my future >upon what you choose to create in yours.) So... here goes: > >======= ======= ======= > >=> "Can I dream?" <= > >[time: some time in the "future" of my linear time perception...] > >We are outside, it is night, Luna is full and very close to Earth, casting >a beautiful sparkling silvery light, and holding a strong magnetic sway >over our emotions. The trees are sparkling with a vibrant glow which has >started to reveal itself on a global scale these days ever since Earth >humans finally started reestablishing their connection with Gaia and began >showing respect to her, especially at these ritualistic rave gatherings. A >gentle wind blows through my hair, a massage from the Earth mother... >ahhhhh... > >There were no flyers. There is no promoter. There was no cost. We have >taken these matters into our own hands. WE now have the power to create >what we please. (Wait, on second thought, we've always had that power, >what on Earth are we waiting for?...) > >We approach the space where the party is to be held (outdoors). Even >though it's outside, symbolically all are required to walk through a little >"doorway" that is marked by two trees, which marks the entrance to the >'rave' space. I am greeted, not by some dominating security guard who >molests me, but by a friendly, non-aggressive dude who is grinning broadly. >"Welcome!", he says, as he appears to look through me rather than at me, >observing something I do not see. He continues... "I see your light is >shining bright tonight. May I offer you a bottle of water?" "No thanx, >got some in my backpack." He nods. "Come in, have fun..." [The "dude", >btw, is there to make sure that everybody is holding a decent vibe before >entering (ie: not totally stressed-out, pissed-off, etc.) and if not, there >is a way he can help raise one's vibe... that part of the vision is not >revealed to me at this point, but I can tell it has something to do with >crystals...] > >When all have entered (around 100 people), we form a huge circle and join >hands. I can feel the electricity in the air. This is the way things work >now, for we have *finally* come to understand that UNITY DOESN'T HAPPEN >JUST 'CUZ A FLYER SAYS IT WILL, it takes just a weeeee bit more than that, >some effort even. And so we start the festivities off by creating our own >vibe of joyful unity. (If you're from a group of folx who consider this >too happy for your own tastes, that's cool, do your own thing... but these >steps are necessary for what I envision.) > >Spontaneously, everybody begins to let their voices roam free, allowing >their bodies to *become* the vibrations passing through them. Within a >couple of minutes, everybody is attuned to each other, and everybody is >holding a certain pitch with their voices, adding their note to a huge, >evolving chord. The vibrations created by this are intense, all sorts of >harmonics can be perceived from the combination of tones... the pulsating >frequencies energize us, we send love around the circle and into Earth, and >the crickets who are also participating in the fun get louder and louder -- >both man and insect, in harmony, using sound to open portals to other >dimensions... > >After a minute of beautiful silence, everybody grabs a drum or rattle or >some sort of percussive instrument to get this event rolling before any >techno-logy comes into play... FOR THIS IS AN EVENT IN WHICH EVERYBODY IS >INVOLVED IN AN INTRICATE WEB OF ENERGY, NOT AN EVENT WHERE FEW DJs ARE TO >HAVE THE SPOTLIGHT ABOVE ALL. All are honored for their individual >talents. Just as before, spirit speaks spontaneously through us, and we >begin freely banging and booming away... as the drumming intensifies, >people can't hold back, they're cheering and howling and singing, starting >to move around like animals. I am not sure how long this goes on for, >because we are tranced-out and have lost our concepts of time. We reach >the point where we are leaving our physical bodies there dancing on the >grass while we travel elsewhere... > >Suddenly, an electronic sound cuts through the natural tribal vibe, taking >us by surprise. >>weeeooooooo<< Wait... was that a saw wave with flanger? >>>weeeooooooo<< Yes! Followed by a driving, bouncing moog synth line! >The first Communicator for this 'party', happily perched behind a >synthesizer and a pair of turntables, has determined that the vibe is right >for the proverbial shit to hit the fan... > >Like a crack of thunder, BOOM, bass is heard, and the technoshamanic rave >beat begins. [I am not sure what this music is, I have never heard >anything like it before... I am assuming it evolved from our present >techno, though.] It is immediate electronic madness, pure dancing >dynamite, and we all lose ourselves in a sea of synthesized sounds. For >hours on end, we dance ecstatically, tribally, blissfully, all-out energy. >There appear to be certain vibe-carriers who are designated to keep the >beat going throughout the night, but there are many turntables and various >synthesizers set up, and anybody who wants to can hop in at will and add >their own personal frequency to the sonic collage. > >There are shooting stars abound, the crickets are beatmatching with the >musicians, the trees continue to glow. We FOCUS THE ENERGY we create as we >dance around by sending it through into the Earth, into the family we are >dancing with, and by opening our heart chakras to truly feel the love >vibration. There is without a doubt interdimensional communication taking >place, and intergalactic consciousnesses are present for the celebration. >People are getting lost in themselves, there is solo trancing, healing, and >soul-searching which takes place on the higher planes, just as techno raves >have always been prior to early 1996, but now the dancing is often >interactive rather than a completely solo experience. Sometimes people >play off of each other's energy as they dance, sometimes people dance in >unison, sometimes they perform synchronized hand and body movements which >literally generate energy in the air that can be seen as colors and streaks >of light! We dance and dance... for a long time the vibe is so phat and so >thick you could cut it with a knife. Our bodies are vibrating and tingling >as we soak in the communication. > >At around 4:00, "the dude" from the "doorway" requests that the music slows >down. He does so because he sees the energy level is faltering, there are >people who have become drained of their vibe and the flow of energy is >weakening. So we form another energy circle, sound our voices some more, >and we are refreshed. The music picks up again... > >As signs are seen that the sun will soon rise, the music begins to slowly >settle down. The communicators understand the importance of bringing us >back down to Earth and grounding us as opposed to simply stopping the >music. The birds have arrived, and they agree with how highly the crickets >think of us, so they join our celebration in song. (As they munch on a few >of the crickets for >breakfast.) ;> While the sun rises, there is light ambient music being >played, and we all sit on the soft grass facing the sun, sending our >greetings and love to our source of warmth. We meditate on the sensations >we had throughout the night, and allow the healing energy to settle into >our systems and flow through us. Finally, we disperse. > >I clairaudiently hear a woman to my left who is about to ask me for a drink >of water from the bottle in my backpack. Before she asks, I smile, hand >her the bottle, and tell her to keep it because she seems a lot more >thirsty than I am. A bit shocked by what just happened, she thanks me and >makes a comment about Luna, and I respond by asking her if she remembers >when Earth had two moons. She looks at me like I'm wacked. Ah yes, some >things are slow to change... We both laugh, share a hug, and everybody >heads back to the campsite to catch some z's and exchange massages. > >What a night. What a party. What a concept. Wow... > > 777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 > This message brought to you by way of the > Department of Interdimensional Groov. > > Offered in love by Rainbow Freq, Randy. > 777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 > >(dat's pronounced "rainbow freak", and since this is my first time posting >any of this shit to this list, i should indicate that the D.I.G. is a d/b/a >of my company, R.F. is an artist name of the D.I.G., and the above names >are trademarked... and no, i don't enjoy or get off on the concept of >ownership and trademarks, but ya do what ya gotta do in this modern day >material madness, y'know? laws stink... "love is the law.") > >If you made it through this, thanx for reading it. I love you. >Input welcome and encouraged. >Welp, there's the sun rising, eyes closing... see ya! > > Smiles & Rainbows, > > Randy > a d > n > a d > Randy > >>> ov Rainbow Freq << > > osiris7@cris.com >======= ======= ======= >"The best way to predict > the future is to invent it." >======= ======= ======= > ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 2 23:50:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA03886; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 23:50:34 -0800 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA03880; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 23:50:31 -0800 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0tt8Yr-0001bEC; Sat, 2 Mar 96 23:50 PST Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 23:50:33 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Hardie To: Chris Chervin cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Shine on you crazy "raver" In-Reply-To: <199603030333.TAA10407@ix14.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Chris Chervin wrote: > Don't know if anyone mentioned: > > "you raver, you seer of visions" > > shine on you crazy diamond - Pink Floyd > good point! :) k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 00:23:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA08101; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:23:47 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA08096; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:23:40 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id AAA18802 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:23:41 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199603030823.AAA18802@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Calendar To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:23:41 -0800 (PST) URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The new cgi-script updated calencdar is great...until you need to look at tonight's parties and it's past midnight...it doesn't list any parties for March 3, since it's the 4th... -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 04:50:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA28613; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 04:50:56 -0800 Received: from elaine46.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA28605; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 04:50:54 -0800 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine46.Stanford.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.1) id EAA26680; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 04:50:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 04:50:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: friends&family Subject: wahh!!!! :P Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I still haven't gotten official news that Autechre is *not* playing SF. Please, give it to me, harsh-reality-style so that I can quit praying and get on with my life! Please? Yeesh. I can't believe this, Tom Waits and Autechre, my two *most favorite* artists in the world, and I lose the chance to see both by this much.... [holding thumb and forefinger really close] All that plus the double bummer of the F8 bust and Chrysalis fooferah this weekend. I think I'll go and drown my sorrows in a pint of Ben&Jerry's. -jon "Two obese paddies, Special Ross, Lester Sleaze, pickin' bunions on a Sesame Street Bus!" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 07:12:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA06064; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:12:09 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA06059; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:12:06 -0800 Received: from well (mh2o@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA01745; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:11:54 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:12:07 -0800 (PST) From: Maureen Garrett Subject: Re: deadheadz <--------> raverz To: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <01I1S1X18L2A003G0H@EDEN.HAC.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Other similarities deadheadz raverz Like tie-die Like fractals... (symmetry between nature and science) --Maureen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 07:27:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA07032; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:27:56 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA07027; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:27:54 -0800 Received: from [] by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id HAA20136; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:26:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199603031526.HAA20136@netcom11.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Quaker State Tapioca Rupture" Organization: Chaotic Systems, Inc. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:26:56 -0800 Subject: You Say You Want A Revolution Reply-to: quaker@netcom.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Yes, it will be the start of a bloody, and deadly revolution second only to > our civil war, and I welcome it. And whom do you think is better at merciless violence -- you, or the United States military and its right-wing militia allies? --QSTR From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 07:36:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA07713; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:36:32 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA07708; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:36:28 -0800 Received: from well (mh2o@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA02335; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:26:40 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:26:53 -0800 (PST) From: Maureen Garrett Subject: Friday's 'music' shutdown To: illumin8 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <3137BC5F.917@frequency-8.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Like many,I am sorry the F-8 party was busted* on Friday night. A thought crossed my mind and I don't know if y'all checked this out before acquiring that space or not.... *busted for noise Now that many old warehouses are being converted into 'Live in artist work spaces' odds are that people will be living around many older warehouses. A good thing to do would be to knock on a few doors or ring a few buzzers in the vicinity of the site to make this determination. If this venue research fact didn't cross your mind, perhaps it will help next time, if it did, sorry for any redundancy. --Maureen (I posted to the list so that the information can be used by others who may not be aware of this logistic.) On Fri, 1 Mar 1996, illumin8 wrote: > Just a friendly thanks to everyone for your support. Looking forward to > seeing you all on Friday. Tickets will be on sale on Friday at F-8 until > sold out. See you there! > > Mystr-E > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 09:45:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA18044; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:45:45 -0800 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18039; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:45:43 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA02073; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:44:28 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:44:28 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: quaker@netcom.com From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: You Say You Want A Revolution Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> >> Yes, it will be the start of a bloody, and deadly revolution second only to >> our civil war, and I welcome it. > >And whom do you think is better at merciless violence -- you, or the >United States military and its right-wing militia allies? > >--QSTR If one were to examine history, the CITIZENS of this country are to be feared. WHY do you think all of the anti-gun legislation has been passed over the last 20 or so years? To keep the citizenry under control. I do not fear the citizens having guns, I do fear the govt. having them though. And if there is any civil unrest, it will, as always, be portrayed as a group of rebels against a good govt. This time (as always) the lines will be drawn by the govt. along social boundaries (race, sexual orientation, etc.). Humans are best at merciless violence. But I'll tell you this much, it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees. If it's time to fight and die, then let's go. If you think that after 450 years that this govt. is anywhere closer to solving the massive socila problems they've created, then all I could accurately say is that you're misguided. American's, especially this generation, don't really understand the sacrifice necessary to maintain and keep a democracy. We do not participate in it (look at the voter turnout of 18 - 3o year olds, abyssmal), we haven't died for it (the wars of late , as most others, have been blatanly over resources), and we're generally very skeptical. Usually skpeticism can enhance a democracy, ours has proven to be our greatest undoing. Skepticism here leads to a sense of never being able to change things. I mean there are hell of 18-30 year olds. Now yes, we all do not share the same political beleifs, but to have the PREVIOUS generation make our laws is ridiculous. What the fuck does Bob Dole, or any of the current crop know about PEOPLE. Yeah, they know about 1 kinds of person whose profile is white, heterosexual, and male. All others need not ask (do you think any of these polticians even saw a person of color or lesbian until recently?). So since we're so disenfranshised by the system, we have decided to excerisize that other option and not vote. This has led to the right gaining the forefront of policy, and others being driven farther away from the process (just what they want, besides they can narrow their message even further. why court YOU if YOU don't vote?). this is dangerous, this will cause major strife. The system requires the lubrication of participation in order to work, what we have now is NOT a democracy. So to change it we will either: 1 - Have to vote en masse as no other time. 90+% turnout at the polls of 18-30 years olds. 2 - The bullet. A system that ius unrepresentative of the people is a tyranny. Tyranny must be overthown by any means necessary. Violence is usally the most expedient (people who are in the priviledged calls will NOT come to any table to negotiate what they will lose in an Equalist society. They gotta to be brought in fighting if #1 does not take place). So all this talk of miltias and the govt.? Who cares? You'll be on one side or another. Who knows, militias may join other anti-govt. groups for the same goal of freeing the country from the tyrants. Stranger things happen during wars, where common goals criss cross. I of course hope that we can come to a peacful resoltuion, but with the propaganda machine in full blast, and even so called 'enlightened' people buying into it, my hopes are not high. NOTE: There has been a concerted effort to paint Affirmative Action as racist, welfare mothers as black & lazy, gays being a threat to national security, wpem taken out of the abortion debate, the poor as the root of all societies ills, and children as things that need to be controlled. So far they've done a really good bamboozle job on the amerikkkan public. They've also done a good job of pitting us against each other. I hate seeing so much humanity act like suckers. This country needs an enema. Peace & hope, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 09:54:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA18629; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:54:18 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA18592; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:54:11 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:54:11 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Thomas To: Jonathan Mark Logan cc: friends&family , idm@hyperreal.com, ambient@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: wahh!!!! :P In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, Jonathan Mark Logan wrote: > I still haven't gotten official news that Autechre is *not* playing > SF. Please, give it to me, harsh-reality-style so that I can quit > praying and get on with my life! Please? Friday March 15th, 1996: Space Children Present - Autechre, Mark Broom, Spacetime Continuum Graeme, Gamall, Das, Cesar, Abstract, Radley 415.273.1622,408.327.9277,916.554.7177 :) Andy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 10:28:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA21758; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:28:48 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA21750; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:28:46 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:28:45 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Thomas To: Jonathan Mark Logan cc: friends&family Subject: Re: wahh!!!! :P In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, Jonathan Mark Logan wrote: > All that plus the double bummer of the F8 bust and > Chrysalis fooferah this weekend. I think I'll go and drown my sorrows in a > pint of Ben&Jerry's. Well, there were more than enough things to choose from this weekend... The Transmat tour stopped in at Prometheus Unbound and was without a doubt the pick for friday night. SF debut of Detroit masters Derrick May and Stacey Pullen was not something to pass up. I thought Wayne summed it up well, these guys were definitely "professional", and it was great to see them in action. It made my month. The free chrysalis party at the Berkeley Marina was pretty fun. It was a really beautiful day, nice views of the bay and the city while listening to some killer tunes spun by Joe and Monty (and Alex later on I think but we missed him...). I think everyone should make a point of heading over to MAD monday night to catch another Detoit legend, Juan Atkins (call in sick if you have to). It promises to be one of their best nights yet... Andy ps I recently picked up a really great book, "What Kind of House Party is This?" by Jonathan Fleming. This is a must-read for anyone interested in learing about the history of the global house culture. It's published in the U.K. so there's a little more of a british slant, it mainly focuses on DJ and different parties, lots and lots of pictures. The one drawback is that they don't spent much time talking about the artists that create the music, but that's a whole book in itself. $30@soundworks (clinton park/valencia) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 11:03:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA24729; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:03:58 -0800 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24723; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:03:55 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA23410; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:02:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199603031902.LAA23410@netcom5.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: Shine on you crazy "raver" In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Mar 96 23:50:33 PST." Date: Sun, 03 Mar 96 11:02:42 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Chris Chervin wrote: > Don't know if anyone mentioned: > > "you raver, you seer of visions" > > shine on you crazy diamond - Pink Floyd > Good point, but I think in this song, Roger Waters (?) was specifically talking about Syd Barrett (the whole Wish You Were Here album being a tribute to Syd). Syd was an original Pink Floyd member (lyricist/vocalist) that took too much LSD and eventually went insane to the point where he could no longer function as a contributing member of Pink Floyd. That's too bad, because IMHO, PF went downhill in a big way after Syd left -- like I really needed to hear their whining, pompous psychodrama in albums like "The Wall". Anyways in SOYCD, I think PF meant "raver" as in "raving lunatic". I have a couple of Syd Barett solo CD's -- excellent ranting in that special nonsensical way that UK folk possess -- jabbering on about absolutely nothing in a way that sounds most fascinating and silly. Check out "Baby Lemonade" or "Effervescing Elephant" sometimes... great songs! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 11:28:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27717; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:28:56 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27711; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:28:54 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:28:53 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Thomas To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: (idm) Re: wahh!!!! :P (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ;( Andy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:20:12 -0500 From: AWerks2@aol.com To: andy@hyperreal.com, idm@hyperreal.com, ambient@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: (idm) Re: wahh!!!! :P Yes, Autechre and Mark Broom will be in San Francisco - DJ'ing ONLY. No live show. Open Productions From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 11:43:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28874; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:43:04 -0800 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA28866; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:43:00 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA27966; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:41:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199603031941.LAA27966@netcom5.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" , jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: You Say You Want A Revolution In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Mar 96 09:44:28 PST." Date: Sun, 03 Mar 96 11:41:47 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > What the fuck does Bob Dole, or any of the current > crop know about PEOPLE. Yeah, they know about 1 kinds of person whose > profile is white, heterosexual, and male. All others need not ask (do you > think any of these polticians even saw a person of color or lesbian until > recently?). Actually, there's a big diff between what they "know" (plenty) and what they espouse publically. Hypocricy. The last time they "knew about PEOPLE" was when they were buggering their 16 year old congressional pages, while holding McCarthy-style witch hunts against those more open with their sexuality. I think what you actually see in the older generations is a lot of closeted "aberrant" (their words) behavior combined with judeo-christian guilt against their nonexistant sins. Then they persecute other people doing their exact same thing to hide/reduce their own shame in the eyes of "god". Christianity and hypocricy go hand-in-hand and gland-in-gland... and it's been that way since the beginning (hypocricy==religion in general). This same kind of behavior is now continuing under the guise of the christian right and the christian coalition, as well as a variety of priests that are giving penis-shaped absolution unto the orifii of preadolescent boys and girls, while spouting hypocricy about premarital sex, homosexual sex, abortion, etc. In the past, this happened plenty as well. Hoover, as FBI director was infamous for using information about people's private lives as political ammunition. He used it against closeted homosexuals in the government and military, but he also used it against heterosexuals not espousing monogamous christian "family values". (e.g. Hoover had JFK in his pocket because of threats of exposing JFK's and RFK's womanizing). Meanwhile Hoover himself, a closeted homosexual, found himself in the position of protecting the Mafia from FBI investigation because the mob had pictures of him and his mate performing oral sex in a mafia-controlled vegas penthouse suite. Why do you think the mafia got so big during hoover's 50 year tenure in government? And How did hoover manage to stay in office for that long? Hypocricy, family values, and right wing lies continue into the present as well. Just yesterday, a major florida christian coalition government stooge (a strong proponent of family values) was arrested and charged with receiving a $22.00 blow job in a shopping mall parking lot... He had a wife and 6 children -- fine family values. What we're really seeing is a case of the emporors new clothes. People are sexual animals and will do all sorts of crazy shit. Hiding our animal nature under a veneer of christian propriety engenders the hypocricy and hatemongering that we see nowadays -- the actions continue to be the same while we use words and lies to cover up the truths we can't control. Children and adults are taught to be closeted and two faced and lieing so that they can keep their imaginary god happy. And we can watch the daily playing out of our sick hypocritical society on the TV news, or in our own personal lives. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 12:51:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA04613; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:51:06 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA04604; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:51:02 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.32.19960303203539.006744a4@dons.ac.usfca.edu> X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 12:35:39 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: this is a test!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this is a test. i hope your day is going well!!! matt l. matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. cellular 415-939-8780 / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 13:32:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09565; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:32:53 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09560; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:32:50 -0800 Received: from [153.36.102.22] (Cust22.Max5.San-Francisco.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.102.22]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA23228 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:32:31 -0800 X-Sender: leftjab@mail.well.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:34:46 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: leftjab@well.com (leftjab) Subject: slight goof yesterday Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >It's now this afternoon, Sat 3 Mar 96, 3:00 pm, Berkeley Marina on a message sent w/ Sat 2 Mar 96 on the header! (at least i put the phone # & everything else right so people should've figured it. . . and it was fairly quick notice) but it was an error, humbly acknowledged, hope it didn't mess up your day any more . . . i ended up loving my time at the Marina! leftjab (Jonathan) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 14:35:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15574; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:35:35 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15487; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:35:16 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id TAA13840; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:31:10 -0300 Received: from du-67.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-67.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.67]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id TAA17068; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:31:03 -0300 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:31:03 -0300 Message-Id: <199603032231.TAA17068@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Wayne D. Correia" , " Jason W. King" From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Re: |NER| Re: White Power Music Cc: "James C. Lippmeier" , Captain Havoc , BOSTON-RAVES@ccs.neu.edu, pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com, ne-raves@world.std.com, mtnraves@xmission.com, v-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com, WNYSO Rave List Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 06:27 PM 2/29/96 -0800, Wayne D. Correia wrote: >At 6:15 PM 2/29/96, Jason W. King wrote: >>On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Wayne D. Correia wrote: >> >>Things such as hate and intolerance must be spoken out against (did that >>make sense?). By not speaking out, you are basically condoning such >>activities. There is no half-way on such subjects. If someone tells a >>racist/anti-semetic/homophobic joke, by not speaking out you are sending >>a message of tolerance of such crap. I don't think so.. You can oppose, YES!!!!, but not give them the right to have their own space...then it's NO!!! for me >>Voting against the group is NOT an attempt to limit/discourage >>free-speech. It is a personal statement of how you feel about the issue >>at hand. I say the issue is one of unnaceptable hate and loathing of >>people's differences. I feel bad because groups like "rec.music.white-power" exist, but I believe the net should be a place for freedom and expression. I support Cuba on the planes incident, for example. I feel for Cuba's situation. I should be free to express it as one should be free to express what they think. ALSO, I HAVE A RIGHT TO WRITE TO USENET AND VOTE NO FOR THIS RACIAL_BASED GROUP!!! But i think this should not be taken as a purely rascist-anti-rascist issue. IMHO, The jewish people, who I think promoted this thread in many many other lists too, are not less bigoted than the nazi dudes. A black-power group wouldn't also offend me, it's just people who have things in common discussing their ideals. The problem is the propaganda...but this is another issue ;) > >Well, all I can say is that if this were a CFV for "rec.music.black-power", >and it were being pushed through by a black-centric group, I would still >feel the same way -- that they have a right to have their home on the net. >And to tell you the truth, I feel that it takes a very strong person so >support THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH of even those you disagree with, even if >they may be your enemies. I know that they are my enemies, i am latin. But I am their enemy too. Don't think that there aren't rascists in teh rave scene..I MET MANY RACISTS-XENOPHOBIC PEOPLE ON RAVES! but I tend to believe that if they don't have their space too, we won't be living in a democratic country... Guess what will come next... ban rave newsgroups?? drugs newsgroups??/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 14:35:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15606; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:35:43 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15587; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:35:36 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id TAA13900 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:31:47 -0300 Received: from du-67.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-67.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.67]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id TAA17159 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:31:43 -0300 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:31:43 -0300 Message-Id: <199603032231.TAA17159@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: |NER| Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I found that one funny.. so I wanted to fwd it to all you guys :) hope you find it funny too..;) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:23:36 -0600 (CST) >X-Sender: mcampbel@AIRnet.net >To: ne-raves@world.std.com >From: 7thhvn >Subject: |NER| Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? >Sender: ne-raves-approval@world.std.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: 7thhvn > >>X-PH: V4.2@troy.american.edu >>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:39:28 -0800 >>Reply-To: South East Rave List >>Sender: South East Rave List >>From: "William K. O'Brien" >>Subject: Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? >>To: Multiple recipients of list SERAVES >> >>This is half and half (half serious and half joking) from the main man >>at Fax USA...read on... >> >>******************************************************************* >>Here are a few pointers to all of those wishing to enter the glamorous >>and >>lucrative world of the chill dj : >>******************************************************************* >> >>smoke more spliff than anyone else in the chill room (even if you dont >>like marijuana,its part of the image) >> >>get used to playing in strange areas (ambient >>toilets/closets/tunnels/tents/car parks/traffic islands) >> >>If no-one in your area is into chill rooms, get busy and D.I.Y. >> >>work out a really simple explanation of 'what is ambient music then?' >>you will be asked it a lot >> >>never mention 'new age' when you describe ambient or your brain will >>explode and you will be killed >> >>make up a reaLLY ambient dj name like DJ 'I like to dress up as an >>alien' >> >>wear a silly hat or a strange article of clothing that shows you are >>ambient (dressing as an alien is cool) >> >>get used to people telling you they want to hear hip hop. >> >>get used to people telling you that 'jungle' isnt 'ambient' enough for >>a chill room. bollocks. >> >>remember that you are a chill room shaman and people who throw things >>at you are really worshipping you >> >>get used to people who are 'into' ambient who ask if you have any deep >>forest >> >>practice saying "I am not a jukebox" and use this when you get any crap >>requests >> >>get used to people dry humping on bean bags as you perfect your >>kraftwerk/Monkees mix >> >>dont ever kid yourself that being a chill dj will make you more >>attractive to the opposite sex. it wont. >> >>Ignore anybody who tells you what is and isn't ambient or is or isn't >>'chill' enough >> >>watch out for 'deck divers' this is a phenomenon where people will try >>and jump onto the turntables. >> >>when you finish playing never leave your most valuable and rare cd in >>the cd player >> >>get used to the 'black out effect' where people trip over the power >>cables and turn everything off >> >>get off on people staring bewildered at the empty turntables rotating >>while you play a cd >> >>never expect anybody to pay you any money for djing for 8 hours: after >>all you are only the chill dj >> >>play a lot of debussy.It really freaks people out. >> >>when your spouse destroys your turntables because she doesnt like you >>djing, learn to shrug it off and go out and dj. >> >> >> >> >> see ya, --Bill >> >> > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 14:35:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15626; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:35:55 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15538; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:35:30 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id TAA13891; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:31:42 -0300 Received: from du-67.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-67.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.67]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id TAA17151; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:31:39 -0300 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:31:39 -0300 Message-Id: <199603032231.TAA17151@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Andy Thomas , sfraves@hyperreal.com, SoCal-Raves , 313@hyperreal.com, idm@hyperreal.com From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Re: derrick may@clubwired Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 08:03 PM 3/1/96 -0800, Andy Thomas wrote: > >sound quality isn't the greatest, but Derrick May is rippin shit up live >right now: > >http://www.hotwired.com/feedback/96/09/stuff/may.28.8.ram >http://www.hotwired.com/feedback/96/09/stuff/may.14.4.ram > >Andy > Is it actually **possible** that someone might have recordede his set?? ( i know, I know it's huge...) Although I have RA, It didn't really work when i tried once, specially to link to the US. Thanks dirceu From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 14:37:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15795; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:37:36 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15654; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:36:00 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id TAA13821; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:31:02 -0300 Received: from du-67.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-67.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.67]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id TAA17048; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:30:56 -0300 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:30:56 -0300 Message-Id: <199603032230.TAA17048@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: James.C.Lippmeier@Dartmouth.EDU (James C. Lippmeier), BOSTON-RAVES@ccs.neu.edu, pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com, ne-raves@world.std.com, mtnraves@xmission.com, v-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Re: |NER| White Power Music Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk sorry about that, but I think that they have the right to have their specific group in which they can discuss the music they like, and not bother groups where people who does not share their thoughts are. just my opinion.. At 02:56 PM 2/29/96 EST, James C. Lippmeier wrote: >--- Forwarded Message from Bruce W. Fuller --- > Very scary... read to the end and vote... > Let me be > perfectly blunt and state that we have more than > enough "net-nazis" to win this thing hands-down. > But every one of you must vote YES! And just > voting yes means nothing unless you do it properly. > So you have been forewarned. The instructions > are coming to your email box soon, and they > are not complicated. Just follow them as told, > and we will have a WP music newsgroup finally!" > >If Mr. Burdi's confidence disturbs you, please give this >letter the _widest_ possible distribution, and help us deliver >the largest NO vote in the history of UseNet. > > >If you agree with me, please register your vote. In order to >do that, send a message to: music-vote@sub-rosa.com > >The content of the message should read: > > I vote NO on rec.music.white-power > I would vote no... but, if someone makes alt.music.jewish, alt.music.anti-nazi, rec.music.whatever.. I might just associate it the same way. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 15:25:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20617; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:25:04 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20564; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:24:59 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA24365; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:24:59 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199603032324.PAA24365@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: NON RAVE: Anyone need a job in San Francisco? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves), socal-raves@ucsd.edu (SoCal Raves), mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:24:58 -0800 (PST) URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If anyone of you needs a job, BigBook is *really* ramping up. http://www.bigbook.com - a new kind of yellowpages on the Web. 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Skills/Qualifications: * 2 years experience as receptionist/administrative assistant in 25+ person office * Strong organizational skills * Strong oral and written communications skills -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 15:37:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21684; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:37:02 -0800 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21672; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:36:59 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA22993; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:37:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:37:13 -0500 Message-ID: <960303183711_236737514@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: ameba@netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: foodnotbombs benifit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tragic. My roomate is a dedicated Food Not Bombs ,member, and he didn't even know about this for sure. I see him spend his entire sunday every week cookin up grub for those in need. I would fully be into helping these guys out with their flyers, and do what ever I can. Too bad I didn't catch wind of this one earlier. If anyone knows those involved, please forward this to them. I think it's important that we make an effort to support these kind of events. Thanks, Steveo 916.443.8225 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 15:44:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA22357; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:44:19 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22321; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:44:08 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.209] (u2w40.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.209]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA18569 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:44:05 -0800 X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:43:59 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: deadheadz <--------> raverz Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Other similarities > >deadheadz raverz > >Like tie-die Like fractals... > >(symmetry between nature and science) oh yeah: deadheadz raverz Like fractals... Like tie-die. :) -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 16:38:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA27945; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:38:32 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27938; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:38:27 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net (precipice.v-site.net [204.188.120.23]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA19068 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ameba.com.v-site.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id QAA05035; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:46:14 -0800 Message-ID: <313A392F.7DF@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 16:28:31 -0800 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Come-Unity 5 year anniversary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This Wednesday March 6: COME-UNITY FIVE YEAR ANNIVERSARY PARTY! Djs: Garth Jeno Simon Live: Astral Matrix Chill Out with Jason & Special Guest 1015 Folsom -10PM -241 8815 see you there:) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 17:15:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA00951; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:15:04 -0800 Received: from ucmsj.vatech.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA00934; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:14:59 -0800 From: tim744@silicon.email.net Received: (from mm@localhost) by ucmsj.vatech.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA00110 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:15:00 -0800 Received: by silicon.email.net (ucm/3.1) id AA11316.000; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:15:00 PST To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:15:00 PST Subject: Staying here..and about BBQ Message-Id: <9603031715.S260118346@silicon.email.net> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just wanted to first say I've decided to stay on here thanks to a post from Matt L. that got me thinking...thanks Matt. I will be doing must of my e-mail from ...knucklehead@email.org...though, but I can still get mail via this address. Second, I've mentioned this BBQ several times but no one replied, maybe 2, so know that everyone seems interested. I have a BBQ Pit that is the length of my truck bed. My dad and I have a little catering company we do one the side and use this BBQ pit for parties, contest. Which we have won a few 1st, 2nd and 3rd place ribbon for our homemade BBQ sauce. Anyway it is there for people to use, just let me know if you would like to use it, and the only thing I ask is some to help load it in and off a truck. It only takes 2 people. And of course clean the ashes out. I hate driving down the freeway with ashes flying about. Anyway I know Trolup was the one who brought this up again, but I'd like to help in anyway. I can get with a few people and we can start planning this NOW. for maybe end of this month or April. If anyone is willing to get together with me we can start planning. Find a place, DJ's, Food, drink, Big BBQ if needed. You can reach me at this email address or at my other one. Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 17:41:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA03024; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:41:28 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA03014; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:41:25 -0800 Received: from well (mh2o@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA09929; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:41:13 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: Maureen Garrett Subject: Re: deadheadz <--------> raverz To: michal migurski cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk good one.. :)! On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, michal migurski wrote: > >Other similarities > > > >deadheadz raverz > > > >Like tie-die Like fractals... > > > >(symmetry between nature and science) > > > oh yeah: > > deadheadz raverz > > Like fractals... Like tie-die. > > :) > > -m. > > > 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 > | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | > | for that whole body thirst situation | > | | > | (- My Portfolio! -) | > | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | > | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| > | -> but patience always helps. <- | > | | > 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 19:18:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA10423; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:18:25 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA10414; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:18:22 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA29775; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:18:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:18:05 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: burnman-list@well.com cc: Friends & Family , "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Burning Man Solstice! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings! Thank you for posting this info Wayne, I am really looking forward to Burning Man '96! After missing last year's event, I resolved that this time I will go. The clincher was seeing the video footage of all those happy ravers rolling in the mud... (flashback to my Sesame Street post a few days ago -- imagine those imges from Burning Man interspersed with the kids running across the fields & such to Sesame Street at the beginning of the show!) 8)- A couple brief thoughts & questions... I understand that an event like this involves some expense to put together, and am willing to help support that. However the manner in which this financial support is being solicited lacks imagination, in my opinion. I fully agree with the originator of the message below that visitors should not come as "spectators to a show," but as participants in an outpouring of energy. The invitation to volunteer and contribute artistically is definitely welcome. However I also feel that writing a check in exchange for registration and a t-shirt, and mailing it off to an address, with no specific names, faces, or expenses to connect you to the experience, goes directly counter to what those involved with Burning Man presumeably hope to create. This type of support is more identified with mainstream shows, concerts, charity efforts, etc. We can do better! Those who have extremely busy schedules may find it easier to simply send a check, but I for one would like my expression of support (I would avoid the word "registration" like the plague -- it smacks of commercial events) to take a more interactive form. Whoever is reading this who is an active organizer of the event, give me a call -- my number is (415) 626-3036. Tell me what materials are needed, and I'll donate some time and creative effort to producing something, or go out and buy something myself if need be, in the range of $25. In short, please let me have a more direct role in this, so that when I go to Nevada later this year, I will feel like a participant outpouring energy, and not a spectator who has paid to be entertained. Peace, Love, and Grooviness, <<< Starchild >>> P.S. - A couple off-the-wall ideas... Could this be the "year of the woman"? A Burning Woman, with long hair and breasts? Or a Burning Couple, perhaps? On fire with love, even? 8) Imagine if someone flew over the site in a small plane during the festivities throwing out flowers, or something... maybe a banner? Or has this already been done? Just a thought. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:43:55 -0800 From: Wayne D. Correia To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Cc: bkambe@ix.netcom.com, sigalarm@best.com, knudsocr@ccmail.apldbio.com, niceboy@eworld.com, J.BLOME@AppleLink.Apple.COM, jimmy@club.net, reekes@apple.com, joe@ati.com, john@ati.com, montano@mail.sdsu.edu, InfoFlow@aol.com, kmickey@cts.com, M.Marino@AppleLink.Apple.COM, gavini@apple.com, crisper@eworld.com, pete_helme@genmagic.com, phil@steffora.com, 74431.1576@CompuServe.COM, royb@netcom.com, sammy@pobox.com, sharyoung@aol.com, sgs@gnu.ai.mit.edu, dearsusan@eworld.com, TomShahin@aol.com, wwebb@csl.sri.com Subject: Burning Man Solstice! Hey there net.people.friends! Today is Burning Man Solstice(tm) -- the half-way point from Burning Man '95 to Burning Man '96. Start building your art cars, hoarding your psychedelics, and getting excited! I have a grin on my face from just thinking about it! -wayne (tm) clubnetworkgroup ---- begin forwarded registration information... (register now to save $$$) ---- From: STUMANGRUM@aol.com To: burnman-list@well.com Subject: BM 96 Registration Materials Whats follows is another advance release from the Spring 96 "Building Burning Man" newsletter. '96 Registration form included at end'o'file; get a $10 discount if you send it in before June 1st! ************************************************* SURVIVAL Visitors to the playa should not come as spectators to a show. Instead, they will encounter an interactive experience; a spontaneous outpouring of energy that is created by our community itself. Burning Man is a phenomenon which springs from your immediate involvement. We are not funded by grants or product endorsements. We depend upon direct contributions. Hundreds of people are now engaged in creating this year's event. Here is how you can help: CONTRIBUTE Send in your registration fee today! By purchasing your ticket now for $25 you can save $10. Beginning in June tickets to the event will cost $35. Buy a t-shirt or a video. If you can, make an extra contribution (see the check box on order form). Many new projects- Mudhenge, the Inferno, a new public transit project, and an elaborated Man-are being readied for 1996. None of this will happen without your early support. If you are among those people who already know they are coming to Burning Man, help us now. VOLUNTEER There is only one way to become a member of the Project. You must do something. Burning Man is a society of activists. Later this year we will solicit volunteers to help us run the infrastructure of our camp. We are now recruiting experienced builders, people to do data entry and distribute flyers, help with clerical tasks, and individuals who can assist with transport of materials to Nevada throughout the year. If you have any skill or resource which you think might help us in our preparations, please call our Hotline. ARTISTS In addition to the "Inferno," Burning Man is planning many new art initiatives in 1996. Our burning pageant in the desert on Sunday, September 1, will feature large-scale portable effigies that can be raised overhead. Puppeteers, model makers, stilt walkers, fire performers, etc.-please contact us. We also need folks to assist us in casting a large number of plaster brains (yes, brains ) that will be featured at our premier show on March 23 at the Minna Street Gallery in San Francisco. MUDHENGE In 1995 our camp was inundated by a rainstorm and mudpeople sprang from the playa (you know who you are). In 1996 we will construct a temple and public shower in which to house these rites. We invite all persons of mud to worship, wallow, and bathe between the legs of "Water Woman" (Showers are restricted to initiates. You must first get down in the mud). If you would like to help construct and tend the temple, or wish to organize and schedule an event here (i.e. mud wrestling, a mud procession, etc.) please contact our Hotline. PUBLIC TRANSIT The playa of the Black Rock Desert is a fundamentally safe environment. Apart from the very real, dire, and life-threatening hazard of becoming lost [please read the Survival Guide that is mailed to all registered participants] the playa is as flat and as forgiving as the mattress of a playpen. The greatest hazard that we face is self-created. Nearly every one of the few serious accidents and injuries that we have witnessed during Burning Man has involved automobiles. This year we encourage everyone to bring bicycles. They are perfectly adapted to the hard-packed surface of the playa. We plan also to organize a pool of specially marked bicycles for public use. If you can help us with this effort please call our Hotline. FILM FEST We are now accepting entries for the 2nd Annual Burning Man Film and Video Festival. The deadline for submissions is July 4th. Please contact Coffee Achievers at 415.826-3277. Ask for Hernan. SETTLEMENT This year, the city of Black Rock will sport a newly renovated downtown area and a number of exurban hubs, or "meta-theme camps." If you want to create your own city within a city, call the Hotline. ************************************************* 1996 REGISTRATION/ORDER FORM Burning Man Festival Wednesday, August 28 through Monday, September 2, 1996 The annual celebration of BURNING MAN will take place over Labor Day weekend in the Black Rock Desert of Northern Nevada. All attendees need to register for the event, and must bring their own shelter, food and water. This form can be used to register and/or order Burning Man merchandise. Feel free to make copies. If you are purchasing tickets you will receive your registration packet (including 1996 map, survival guide, and schedule of events) approximately one month before the festival. Tickets: Purchase advance tickets now for Burning Man, August 28 - September 2, 1996. We will mail you a ticket, your survival guide, map, and a detailed schedule of events approximately one month before the event. Order now and save! After June 1st, the price goes up to $35 per person. Burning Man Video: Only the finest photons, hand-selected and lovingly preserved on durable magnetic tape for your viewing pleasure. Relive past glories or see what you missed in this 48-minute documentary by WeirdTV's Chuck Cirino. A substantial portion of the proceeds benefit Burning Man. $19.95 T-shirts: Buy a Burning Man t-shirt, lovingly crafted from 100% cloth for cool desert comfort. Screen printed on black in sizes L and XL. Always fashionable; makes a great gift! Proceeds benefit the Burning Man Project. $15.00 ************************************************* BURNING MAN 1996 ADVANCE REGISTRATION/ORDER FORM Name: __________________________________ Phone: (______)_______________ Address: ____________________________________________________________ City: _____________________________ State: _______ Zip: _______________ - -Registration tickets number in party: ________ x $35.00* = $______ *For a limited time only, you can register for Burning Man 96 for just $25 per person. This special advance price is valid ONLY through June 1, 1996. Orders postmarked after June 1, 1996 must register at the $35.00 rate. - -Burning man videos QTY: ________ x $19.95 = $______ - -Burning man t-shirts QTY: ____ LARGE ____ EXTRA LARGE ____ total shirts - QTY: ________ x $15.00 = $______ - -Optional extra contribution = $______ - -Total amount enclosed: = $______ Please make checks payable to BURNING MAN. Mail this form with payment to: The Burning Man Project P.O. Box 420572 San Francisco, CA 94142-0572 Burning Man is a 100% participant-funded event, entirely dependent on your support. Thanks!! ### ____________________________________________________________________________ Wayne D. Correia 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 19:29:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA11421; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:29:41 -0800 Received: from isis.source.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA11405; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:29:36 -0800 Received: by isis.source.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for sfraves@hyperreal.com id TAA05147; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:27:34 -0800 From: "anne petrie" Message-Id: <9603031927.ZM5145@isis.source.net> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:27:19 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Yum! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, Jonathan Mark Logan wrote: > All that plus the double bummer of the F8 bust and > Chrysalis fooferah this weekend. I think I'll go and drown my sorrows in a > pint of Ben&Jerry's. What flavor? How about SFRaver Crunch? (Neopolitan Ice Cream with those little crunchy things in it.) Or San Frandisco Swirl? (Chocolate and Vanilla swirled with rainbow sprinkles.) -- Anne Petrie Third Wave Solutions, Inc. E-mail: anne@source.net Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 22:17:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA25904; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:17:37 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA25896; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:17:34 -0800 From: freakz@ultima.org Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Sun, 3 Mar 96 22:06 PST Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.16.19960304060657.1af7384a@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 22:06:57 -0800 To: anne@isis.source.net Subject: Re: Signing off Sfraves Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 06:43 PM 3/1/96 -0800, anne petrie wrote: >I live in Santa Barbara now and it makes me >miss SF to read the calendar. Well I can see that you are not reading MY mail! >Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:35:33 -0800 >To: Sfraves Mailing List >From: freakz@ultima.org >Subject: Going 2 Santa Barbara > >I'm flying down to Santa Barbara for this weekend. Does anybody know of anything going on down there? > -Sean _____________________________________ F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." (415) 227-7421 Renegade Sound System & Light Show (415) 679-3113 _____________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 3 23:05:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA29825; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:05:47 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA29816; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:05:43 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA18796; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:05:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:05:32 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Quaker State Tapioca Rupture cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: An Old Fart Looks At The Scene In-Reply-To: <199603010344.TAA12612@netcom11.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Q.S.T.R., Right on, man! We dig! 8) I love hearing stuff like this from the more experienced generation... we need a melding of the minds in order to take the best of the past with us into the future and avoid repeating past errors (those who do not learn from history, etc.)... I hope you will come to parties, check out the scene, try Ecstasy if you haven't yet... and educate the kids you meet about your own experiences, if you feel they are worth sharing. When you're 14-30 it's not hard to be into raves, but I think it takes a truly exceptional older person to appreciate them -- someone who retains enough of their childlike wonder and passion & enthusiasm for living. Carpe diem, <<< Starchild >>> On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Quaker State Tapioca Rupture wrote: > > > > And I realized that we were different and yet the same - sort of like looking at > > yourself at another age, through a looking glass -- I felt a real connection > > with them in a way, like a feeling of the past passing on to the future -- it > > was especially strong for me, because I'm 42 and know that I have one foot in > > each side -- > > I too am older -- 41 -- and have been lurking here for a few weeks. > > My original intention was just to maybe find out more about techno, > which I really am just now discovering (thank you KALX) but I've > been sitting here fascinated by these messages. The scene seems > like a high-tech version of the scenes I was in 20 years ago: > positive, community-oriented, loving... I thought such things were > passe' as the Hippies became objects of ridicule. Yeah, peace and > love, what a stupid fucking idea... > > It's also encouraging, because I've been kind of reticent to check > it out for fear of feeling out of place. Hmm, maybe I'll check it > out... so if y'all see an Old Fart looking a little bashful by the > sidelines, give 'im a smile. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 08:06:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA18503; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:06:15 -0800 Received: from ea.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA18466; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:05:59 -0800 Received: from pcsmtp2.ea.com (eadc00dc1.ea.com [159.153.94.37]) by ea.com (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id IAA19291; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:05:26 -0800 Received: by pcsmtp2.ea.com with Microsoft Mail id <313B15BB@pcsmtp2.ea.com>; Mon, 04 Mar 96 08:09:31 PST From: "Davis, Bryan" To: sfraves-owner , sfraves Subject: RE: Chrysalis tommorrow: look 4 me! Date: Fri, 01 Mar 96 16:51:00 PST Message-ID: <313B15BB@pcsmtp2.ea.com> Encoding: 42 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah, tomorrow will be worth going. James Dee is spinnin.......that's all that need to be said. ---------- From: sfraves-owner[SMTP:sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com] Sent: Friday, March 01, 1996 3:58 PM To: sfraves Subject: Chrysalis tommorrow: look 4 me! So, it seems *everyone* is going to Chrysalis tommorrow... well, I'll be there, and there's still a lot of you I haven't met yet, so keep an eye out for me! here's my photo: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/MMphotos.html the "studying" one is the most recent. I don't yet know what I'll be wearing... like it matters. See you all there! -mike. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 09:41:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA29182; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:41:26 -0800 Received: from igate1.hac.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA29175; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:41:22 -0800 From: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com Received: from EDEN1.HAC.COM by igate1.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16230; Mon, 4 Mar 96 09:38:29 PST Received: from DECNET-MAIL (SCRUTON@JOYCE) by EDEN1.HAC.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #5884) id <01I1XPNNILKW000ZT6@EDEN1.HAC.COM>; Mon, 04 Mar 1996 09:40:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 09:40:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: paging Syd Barrett To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <01I1XPNNK7G2000ZT6@EDEN1.HAC.COM> X-Vms-To: EDEN1::IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk the "Shine on you raver, you seer of visions" made me smile. this lyrick was written by Roger Waters, a co-founder of Pink Floyd, about the original founder of the band, Syd Barrett. syd was about 20 years ahead of his time musically; in fact, most of the things he did were so far ahead that he was considered crazy; and in a self-fulfilling-prophesy type of thing, he DID go crazy, and was booted from the band in the early 70's.... anyway, i believe Syd to be still alive; he was last spotted (to the best of my knowledge) somewhere in london at an all-night party back in the mid-80's, at that time he was shaved bald... Syd's GOTTA love the rave scene; finally the music has caught up with his mind; so, has anyone heard of his whereabouts? Dave Scruton From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 09:46:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA29734; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:46:40 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA29659; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:45:54 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA07419 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:45:34 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA04212; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:45:32 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA26037; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:45:28 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:49:03 -0800 To: Trolup@aol.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: LET'S HAVE A PARTY Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Groovin'...excellent idea! I'm up for it, almost any time, almost anywhere!!! Peace, - E >Everybody, > i just thought of something......when it gets warmer we should all get >together one day and have our own little BBQ party and we can all work >together to bring whatever is needed, such as food, beverages, plates, music, >etc......that way we could all meet eachother...anyways it was just a >thought!!!! >luv >jen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 09:57:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA01572; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:57:39 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA01560; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:57:34 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA08103 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:57:31 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA05273; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:57:30 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28411; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:57:27 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:01:02 -0800 To: matt515@uclink4.berkeley.edu From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Greetings!!!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, all right! Great to have you with us, Matt! It's always good when someone makes it out of SD, the speed capital of the world, alive. Hope to see you at a party soon :) Peace, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 10:17:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA03790; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:17:44 -0800 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA03775; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:17:39 -0800 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA11400; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:16:57 -0800 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA04769; Mon, 4 Mar 96 10:16:55 PST Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08689; Mon, 4 Mar 96 10:16:54 PST From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9603041816.AA08689@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: [BSP] Threads - IDM Mailing list CD To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 10:16:54 PST Cc: jonas@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Members of the IDM (Intelligent Dance Music) mailing list have released a CD of original music. It's mostly weird electronic ambient, with beats. I think a couple of sfravers besides myself are contributers. Here's the official announcement: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, the elusive Threads CD has finally been completed. It features nine tracks by artists from both the US and Europe, all of whom are subscribers to the IDM mailing list. The tracklist is as follows: Quanta : Space lee.fogel : Interstellar Induction : Dusk Seofon : Scharae DAC Crowell : N.Am.Skywave Tempest : Source Safe TV-99-AD : Mother G Xigma-Phi : Tam-Tam Artificial Paradise : Godwater Running time = 75mins 10s To get your copy, send a cheque/PO for $10 ($12 outside the US) to: Threads 40 E. Main St, Box 147 Newark, DE 19711-4639 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lee _________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 10:21:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA04195; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:21:13 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA04186; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:21:08 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA09360 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:20:47 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07485; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:20:45 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01547; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:08:11 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:11:46 -0800 To: Karen Hardie From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: oh what a beautiful morning Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Karen, Such language! I blushed, and had to turn my head. Hahaha, just kidding :) Yeah, it's great that spring is just around the corner. A much-needed time of regeneration for us and for our Mother! Enjoy, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 11:05:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA08510; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:05:49 -0800 Received: from hopf.dnai.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA08493; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:05:44 -0800 Received: from 140.174.162.210 (dynamic-210.dnai.com [140.174.162.210]) by hopf.dnai.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA28138 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:05:06 -0800 Message-ID: <313ACEE9.4533@netnoir.com> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 11:07:21 +0000 From: Jonathan Santos Reply-To: jon@netnoir.com Organization: NetNoir, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: MAY-N-PULLEN MAD JUAN ATKINS (BSP) References: <313A392F.7DF@netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Excellent show. First time I stayed out until 7 am in a very long time. First time I saw bassbin tweakers in a very long time. First time I ever saw a man working in his office (in the same space) during a party. Jon Williams played a fine set, Jonah blew me away, Derek has always known how to work the crowd, but Stacey Pullen stole the show. His masterful skills combined with an obscure selection of very diverse experimental techno tracks revealed his experience and knowledge of the music. If you didn't stick around after 5, you missed out. Tonight, Juan Atkins (METROPLEX, MODEL 500) will make his first SF appearance at MAD (1600 Market st @ Franklin). It will be $3 all night long. The lineup for tonight will be 10:00 Jon Santos, 11:20 Juan Atkins, and 12:40 Joe Rice. We recommend that you show up early if you don't like waiting in line :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 11:11:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA09093; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:11:17 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09087; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:11:14 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA12516 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:11:02 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA13780; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:09:07 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:09:06 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: |NER| Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603032231.TAA17159@fama.ibase.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >> > >>when your spouse destroys your turntables because she doesnt like you > >>djing, learn to shrug it off and go out and dj. > >> Criticism of the above: This is making the assumption that all dj's are men. They are not. me, wondering why the male presence in the music is stronger than the female presence, but not wanting to divide dj's into male and female. Anyone care to comment about this? luv, kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 11:35:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA11736; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:35:09 -0800 Received: from alink-gw.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA11700; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:34:57 -0800 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com by alink-gw.apple.com with SMTP (921113.SGI.UNSUPPORTED_PROTOTYPE/7-Oct-1993-eef) id AA00738; Mon, 4 Mar 96 11:34:19 -0800 for sfraves@hyperreal.com Received: from powertalk.apple.com (powertalk.apple.com [17.202.12.200]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA12136 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:32:58 -0800 Message-Id: Date: 4 Mar 1996 11:36:50 -0800 From: "Doug Hill" Subject: Re: STC/Ae Tour Dates To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-PS 3.0.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk No body present. See attached file. AOCE type/creator=lttr:lap2 ------------------ Nested Letter Follows ------------------ I have been salivating over the thought of going to see Autechre live. Is anyone else interested in going to? Since I haven't heard of any shows in SF (please someone speak up if there is!!!), does anyone else want to go to the LA show? Share driving/hotel expenses? Please contact me if interested... Doug ------ From: AWerks2@aol.com, Tue, Feb 13, 1996 ------ >SPACETIME CONTINUUM TOUR DATES >all dates are co-headlining with AUTECHRE and special guest DJ MARK BROOM >3.6 - Manchester, NH (Flavor@The Cage) >3.8 - NYC (Home@Vinyl) >3.9 - Baltimore (Cloudwatch) >3.13 - Los Angeles (Public Space@Troubador) >3.16 - Ft. Lauderdale (Snyder Park) ------------------ End of Nested Letter ------------------ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 12:01:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA14657; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:01:47 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA14626; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:01:40 -0800 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.4/UCD3.5.1) id MAA03750; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:01:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:01:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603042001.MAA03750@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: ez056875@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Matt Wietzke Subject: Mini Thins Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Lately I have been popping about 6 mini thins at a time when I go to a rave. Could anyone out there tell me if there are any harmful side effects or what the long term affects are? Matt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 12:03:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA14851; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:03:32 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA14836; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:03:24 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA15520 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:02:54 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA17583; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:02:54 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00175; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:02:50 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:06:26 -0800 To: SCRUTON@joyce.dnet.hac.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: paging Syd Barrett Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Syd currently lives in a mental institution in England. He recently (couple years ago) released a CD, with the help of David Gilmour and Roger Waters (!), called "The Madcap Laughs." I HAD to buy it, and it is great! Very silly and fun, with just a touch of sadness (my reaction to the whole thing). Y'all should check it out. Shining on, - E >the "Shine on you raver, you seer of visions" made me smile. > >this lyrick was written by Roger Waters, a co-founder of Pink Floyd, > about the original founder of the band, Syd Barrett. >syd was about 20 years ahead of his time musically; in fact, most of > the things he did were so far ahead that he was considered crazy; > and in a self-fulfilling-prophesy type of thing, he DID go crazy, > and was booted from the band in the early 70's.... > >anyway, i believe Syd to be still alive; he was last spotted (to the > best of my knowledge) somewhere in london at an all-night party back > in the mid-80's, at that time he was shaved bald... > >Syd's GOTTA love the rave scene; finally the music has caught up with > his mind; >so, has anyone heard of his whereabouts? > >Dave Scruton From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 12:10:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA15513; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:10:41 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA15507; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:10:39 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA15866 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:10:28 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA18129 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:10:27 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01482 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:10:24 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:13:58 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Re: Radio stations and formats Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This just in from my roommate. Check it! Oh, yeah...this morning I heard Chemical Bros. doing "Let Me Out", and something by Frontline Assembly, but missed Space-Time Continuum, on KSJS. Frontline Assembly reminded me of Front 242... - E >From: John_W._Stuart@livewire.com (John W. Stuart) >Reply-To: John_W._Stuart@livewire.com >To: epaul@synopsys.com >Subject: Re: Re: Radio stations and formats >Date: 04 Mar 1996 19:19:40 GMT >Organization: Virtual Valley, Inc. - San Jose, CA. > >The morning jock on Fridays does house music; also 6-10am shifts you will >find mostly techno... and jazz on the weekends. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Transmitted via LiveWire, a Virtual Valley service. Modem: 408.298.8646 >(FirstClass, VT-100) Voice: 408.298.8174; E-mail: online@livewire.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 12:15:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA16026; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:15:28 -0800 Received: from inet-smtp-gw-1.us.oracle.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA16016; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:15:21 -0800 Received: from oracle.us.oracle.com by inet-smtp-gw-1.us.oracle.com with ESMTP (8.6.12/37.7) id MAA14239; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:14:48 -0800 Received: from slamdance.us.oracle.com by oracle.us.oracle.com with ESMTP (8.6.9/37.7) id MAA18179; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:14:47 -0800 Received: by slamdance.us.oracle.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA10244; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:14:45 -0800 From: dhchung@us.oracle.com (Derek Chung) Message-Id: <199603042014.MAA10244@slamdance.us.oracle.com> Subject: Re: STC/Ae Tour Dates To: doug_hill@powertalk.apple.com (Doug Hill) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:14:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SFRaves) In-Reply-To: from "Doug Hill" at Mar 4, 96 11:36:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Someone sent me email about an (free) appearance at the Virgin Megastore in the evening of the 15th. It's supposed to involve some music but I don't know if it will be a real performance. The details I have are on the web page - http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/gencal.cgi. It would seem possible that they're playing somewhere for real that night. -Derek Doug Hill wrote... > > > >------------------ Nested Letter Follows ------------------ >I have been salivating over the thought of going to see Autechre live. Is >anyone else interested in going to? Since I haven't heard of any shows in SF >(please someone speak up if there is!!!), does anyone else want to go to the >LA show? Share driving/hotel expenses? >Please contact me if interested... > >Doug > > ------ From: AWerks2@aol.com, Tue, Feb 13, 1996 ------ > >>SPACETIME CONTINUUM TOUR DATES >>all dates are co-headlining with AUTECHRE and special guest DJ MARK BROOM > >>3.6 - Manchester, NH (Flavor@The Cage) >>3.8 - NYC (Home@Vinyl) >>3.9 - Baltimore (Cloudwatch) >>3.13 - Los Angeles (Public Space@Troubador) >>3.16 - Ft. Lauderdale (Snyder Park) > > >------------------ End of Nested Letter ------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o derek chung o oracle graphics o dhchung@us.oracle.com o 415.506.6195 o ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 12:50:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA19847; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:50:09 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA19824; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:50:03 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA122232449; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:47:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:47:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: |NER| Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? To: KaySEE Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > >>when your spouse destroys your turntables because she doesnt like you > > >>djing, learn to shrug it off and go out and dj. > > Criticism of the above: This is making the assumption that all dj's are > men. They are not. > > Anyone care to comment about this? > Well, the statement is also assuming that the dj is heterosexual as well, which not all dj's are. But I found the list pretty amusing, none the less! :) love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 13:00:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA20901; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:00:59 -0800 Received: from ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA20891; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:00:55 -0800 Received: from by ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA11828; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:00:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:00:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199603042100.NAA11828@ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: "Wish you were ambient music" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all, seeing as how this wonderful song "shine on you crazy diamond" is being discussed I was wondering if it was played outside at the FnF party in August? I have this lousy memory and can't remember if I heard it or just wish I heard it since I think it would make a great ambient song. What does everybody think? Would you dig chilling out in the ambient room and hear "shine on" come slowly blending into the music? It might catch you by surprise and you won't even realize what song it is for a while. Though I know some people would pick it up right away. Anyway I'm just now starting to learn about mixing and it seems to me like a great song to throw into an ambient set. love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 13:02:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA18994; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:42:27 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA18986; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:42:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199603042042.MAA18986@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: |NER| Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? To: kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu (KaySEE) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:30:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Bryce Ryan" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "KaySEE" at Mar 4, 96 11:09:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 560 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My mailer says that KaySEE said: > > > >> > > >>when your spouse destroys your turntables because she doesnt like you > > >>djing, learn to shrug it off and go out and dj. > > >> > > Criticism of the above: This is making the assumption that all dj's are > men. They are not. > it also assumes s heterosexuality :-) -- === Bryce Ryan ===== AMBIANCE ========= e-dress: brycer@ultima.org ========= === Internet services, education, and Toaster Net construction :-) ========= === Web Weather report at http://priscilla.ultima.org/stats.html ========= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 13:04:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA21222; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:04:10 -0800 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA21217; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:04:06 -0800 Received: from gw by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA11716; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:02:48 -0800 Received: from digipix.com (host3) by gw (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA17322; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:04:52 -0800 Message-Id: Date: 4 Mar 1996 13:06:01 U From: "Bart Cheever" Subject: Record Crates Needed To: "sfraves* " X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any suggestions where I can get flight cases for my records cheap? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 13:20:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA22918; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:20:51 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA22908; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:20:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:20:47 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Thomas To: KaySEE cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, charles uzzell-edwards Subject: Re: |NER| Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, KaySEE wrote: > > >>when your spouse destroys your turntables because she doesnt like you > > >>djing, learn to shrug it off and go out and dj. > > Criticism of the above: This is making the assumption that all dj's are > men. not neccessarily... but I think you're reading way too much into that comment, especially since the person that wrote it (charlie edwards) is probably one of the least sexist persons on the planet... > They are not. agreed... > me, wondering why the male presence in the music is stronger than the > female presence, but not wanting to divide dj's into male and female. I agree this tends to be the case, but if it bothers you why not go out and do something about it? and speaking of dividing dj's into male and female, I just read about an upcoming all female event in LA on socal-raves: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ?, May 11th, L.A. first all female DJ event confirmed and ready to go. DJ Rap (London, England) <---------schwing!! Heather Heart (Brooklyn, NY) DJ Double D. (Calgary, Canada) Kelli (San Fransisco) Sandra Collins & DJ Alison (Los Angeles) Stay tuned 213-496-3080 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 13:27:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA23535; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:27:09 -0800 Received: from ix15.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA23525; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:27:05 -0800 Received: from by ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA20742; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:25:42 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:25:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199603042125.NAA20742@ix15.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: headphone question To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all, Does anybody have suggestions on good headphones for Dj's in the 60-100 dollar price range? Is it something to take seriously or does any high priced set work fine? Thanks in advance. love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 13:33:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA24146; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:33:43 -0800 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA24129; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:33:36 -0800 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA07349; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:33:03 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:33:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199603042133.NAA07349@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Analog keyboard questions To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all, The other day I was hanging with a friend who has an old Roland analog keyboard. It was amazing what we could do with it. We were just playing around and were able to take different notes and create all sorts of crazy trippy acid sounds. The keyboard was $1400 new and the name was something like Juno 60 or 90. I can't quite remember. I am very interested in getting something like this but he said they don't make them anymore. Everything is digital. My questions are what capabilities do each offer/not offer, what do you recommend (analog or digital) and how hard and how expensive would it be to get an old high quality analog keyboard. Any reply greatly appreciated. Thanks!! chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 13:39:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA24700; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:39:12 -0800 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA24683; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:39:07 -0800 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA08287; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:38:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:38:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199603042138.NAA08287@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Record question. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello again, A couple of years ago I picked up Rising High records "Trance Injection" cd. Dics 1 is a little bit techno-e for my tastes but Disc 2 is great. It has some excellent ambient-trance stuff on it. My question is can I find any of the music from disc 2 on Record? I'm particularly interested in Syzygy's "Discovery", NLSofE "voices of the rain forest", and Dreamfish "school of fish". That whole disc on record would be even better. Thanks in advance for any advice or info. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 13:53:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26162; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:53:29 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA26144; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:53:20 -0800 Received: by island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ttiBh-000Fm1C; Mon, 4 Mar 96 13:53 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 13:53 PST From: solo@IslandNet.com (solo) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: headphone question Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Hey all, > > Does anybody have suggestions on good headphones for Dj's in the 60-100 > dollar price range? Is it something to take seriously or does any high > priced set work fine? Thanks in advance. > > love chris > Well...this arguement just went thru the dj newsgroup...a lot of dj's seem to like the Sony MDR-V600...I think they are around $100 american. I have a pair myself..best headphones Ive ever owned. Nice sound...excellent bass...and the ear part actually wraps right over your whole ear. In fact I even saw inside the ear piece..and the speaker is even directed towards your inner ear..for better sound..as opposed to straight at the side of your head. The highest price ones dont always mean quality/sound/volume either. Just go and try out a bunch. ****** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully v2.0 Netscapified ****** -----> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <----- come say Hi -> telnet to mud.islandnet.com 4321 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 13:55:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26452; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:55:03 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA26429; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:54:55 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA20573 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:53:57 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA25509; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:53:56 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA19953; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:53:52 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:57:28 -0800 To: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: "Wish you were ambient music" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >What does everybody think? Would you dig chilling out in the ambient >room and hear "shine on" come slowly blending into the music? It might >catch you by surprise and you won't even realize what song it is for a >while. Though I know some people would pick it up right away. Anyway >I'm just now starting to learn about mixing and it seems to me like a >great song to throw into an ambient set. > >love chris Yes, do it! The only time I ever spun, I mixed "Echoes" from the Pink Floyd album "Meddle," and it sounded good to the listeners as well as to me :) I recall hearing a Doobie Brothers tune being mixed at my first party, which was Jeremiah's party last September (anyone remember the E-tickets?). It would be soooooo cool if more of this mixing of "familiar" music was done, as long as it didn't get too cheesy... - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 13:59:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26817; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:59:21 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA26805; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:59:15 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA15864; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:56:23 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA06861; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:52:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:51:59 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Reply-To: KaySEE Subject: Re: |NER| Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? To: Andy Thomas cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, charles uzzell-edwards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Andy Thomas wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, KaySEE wrote: > > > > >>when your spouse destroys your turntables because she doesnt like you > > > >>djing, learn to shrug it off and go out and dj. > > > > Criticism of the above: This is making the assumption that all dj's are > > men. > > not neccessarily... > > but I think you're reading way too much into that comment, especially > since the person that wrote it (charlie edwards) is probably one of the > least sexist persons on the planet... I was not name-calling and that is exactly the way I *don't* want my comment to be construed. I do not want a reactionary view taken to my request, so I will clarify before that happens:) I don't want to get into feminist politics here!! :) Rather, I've just noticed the high proportion of male dj's to female ones in the scene. I was wondering why? Also, the "comment" by charlie edwards was poking fun of a stereotype. It was good-natured and I enjoyed it. But, in each stereotype, lies a grain of truth (otherwise they wouldn't exist) and I was just commenting on this grain of truth. > > > They are not. > > agreed... > > > me, wondering why the male presence in the music is stronger than the > > female presence, but not wanting to divide dj's into male and female. > > I agree this tends to be the case, but if it bothers you why not go out > and do something about it? > It doesn't necessarily bother me. And, I feel I do "do something about it" by supporting the dj's I enjoy, be them male or female. I, personally, have no interest in becoming a dj. But, I also have no idea how one becomes a dj, either. I guess it takes personal interest. I was just wondering why more men would be interested in it than women. I was wondering why this phenomenon exists, and wanted to know if others had input into it. I wasn't complaining, but rather was wondering if anyone wanted to partake in some "interactive" discussion by providing me with some personal thoughts and experiences. That's it. In general I have found the rave scene very open to breaking gender/racial/sexual orientation boundaries, and I appreciate that. But, it is not perfect (as nothing is) and still has a few flaws in this area. > and speaking of dividing dj's into male and female, I just read about an > upcoming all female event in LA on socal-raves: > > Thank you so much for this. I appreciate this information, which is exactly the kind of stuff I had hoped people would provide! :) I will now shut up. la paz, kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 14:24:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA29485; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:24:29 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA29473; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:24:23 -0800 Received: from 198.53.172.24 by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ttifn-000FjwC; Mon, 4 Mar 96 14:24 PST Message-ID: <313AFD7C.3131@islandnet.com> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 14:26:04 +0000 From: "Will E. Reburn" Reply-To: solo@islandnet.com Organization: .com communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'David' M. Perlman" CC: Karen Hardie , nw-raves@hyperreal.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: oh what a beautiful morning References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 'David' M. Perlman wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Karen Hardie wrote: > > > it's Saturday morning, it's finally March, the sun is shining bright here > > in Vancouver and I just felt like reminding you all how fucking amazing > > you are :) OOPS i swore in a public forum, oh well, you'll forgive me > > won't you? > > You know, that's illegal in this country... :) > > -dave Oh yeah we know...Vive le Canada :) Thanx for reminding us :) ** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully Netscapified ** --> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <-- (8 dj's/musicians/web-masters & mistress'/h@c/ To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: so you wannna be a chill dj? Message-ID: <960304230133_71165.755_GHL28-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> > >>when your spouse destroys your turntables because she doesnt like you >> > >>djing, learn to shrug it off and go out and dj. >> >> Criticism of the above: This is making the assumption that all dj's are >> men. They are not. >> >> Anyone care to comment about this? > >Well, the statement is also assuming that the dj is heterosexual as well, >which not all dj's are. But I found the list pretty amusing, none the >less! :) .... not necessarily - two women could definitely refer to one another as "spouse" - therefore being neither straight nor men (and two of my favorite dj's, Tracy and Polywog are women) (and by the way, any spouse who would destroy your turntables, regardless of their feelings about your djing, deserves a second thought, don't you think?) I liked the list too, always nice to have a chuckle in the morning -- Leslie : ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 15:32:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA06998; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:32:41 -0800 Received: from alink-gw.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA06992; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:32:38 -0800 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com by alink-gw.apple.com with SMTP (921113.SGI.UNSUPPORTED_PROTOTYPE/7-Oct-1993-eef) id AA25916; Mon, 4 Mar 96 15:31:19 -0800 for sfraves@hyperreal.com Received: from gateway.apple.com (in-out.eqm.apple.com [17.130.8.39]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA29745; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:29:54 -0800 Message-Id: Date: 4 Mar 1996 15:30:23 -0800 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: Re: Analog keyboard question To: "Chris Chervin" , "sfraves" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.3 b1 d5 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>Analog keyboard questions >The keyboard was $1400 new and the name was something like Juno 60 or 90. It was probably a Juno 60. A really cool synth. One thing to remember about synthesizers is their value greatly depreciates with time. Unless it is a really sought after synth, like the 303. You can pick up a Juno 60 for around $300. Other old analog synths I would recomend are: Sequential Circuts Max Oberhiem Matrix 6 (or Matrix 1000) Anything by Roland - Juno 6 or 60 or Juno 106, Jupiter 6 or 8, JX8P All can be had for around $300-400 except the Jupiter stuff which is quite a bit more. I'm not sure where you live, but in San Jose there is a really cool store called The Starving Musician. They specialized in used gear and almost always have a great selection of analog gear. On the digital end, get a sampler. I'm an E-mu Systems nut, so I'd recomend the E-64 or EIV. They're kinda expensive (E-64 $3995 retail, EIV $5995 retail) but well worth the money. As far as synths, The E-mu Morpheus is the coolest thing ever made for techno and ambient. The filters are simply the most amazing thing I've ever heard. The factory prestets found in the Morpheus do not do it justice. When you get in and start creating your own sounds is when you'll be blown away. Anyways, let me know if you have any more questions. I love talkin about this stuff!!! -M -------------------------------------- Date: 3/4/96 1:55 PM To: Mark Camp* From: Chris Chervin Hey all, The other day I was hanging with a friend who has an old Roland analog keyboard. It was amazing what we could do with it. We were just playing around and were able to take different notes and create all sorts of crazy trippy acid sounds. The keyboard was $1400 new and the name was something like Juno 60 or 90. I can't quite remember. I am very interested in getting something like this but he said they don't make them anymore. Everything is digital. My questions are what capabilities do each offer/not offer, what do you recommend (analog or digital) and how hard and how expensive would it be to get an old high quality analog keyboard. Any reply greatly appreciated. Thanks!! chris ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by quickmail.apple.com with SMTP;4 Mar 1996 13:54:45 -0800 Received: from taz.hyperreal.com ([204.62.129.130]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA22345; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:53:14 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA24170; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:33:46 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA24146; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:33:43 -0800 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA24129; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:33:36 -0800 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA07349; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:33:03 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:33:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199603042133.NAA07349@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Analog keyboard questions To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 16:09:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA10602; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:09:26 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10589; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:09:23 -0800 From: Czefir@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA27266 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:08:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:08:46 -0500 Message-ID: <960304190844_437998084@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: House?Trance?AcidHouse?Ect? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think it might be helpful if somone might identify various artists as whatever genre they are considered. Just a thought. drowning in my own sea of sorrow, Czefir From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 17:05:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA15772; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:05:11 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA15760; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:05:06 -0800 Received: from sf-pm8-139.slip.net (sf-pm8-139.slip.net [206.14.14.139]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA25987 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:04:52 -0800 Message-ID: <313CE3FE.6378@frequency-8.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 17:01:50 -0800 From: illumin8 Organization: Slip.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Lost tarot cards at F-8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey y'all, We stumbled across a set of tarot cards left behind at at Friday's party. If these might be yours, or if you know who's they might be, please contact us. voice: 415-221-4142 later... Jonas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 17:07:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA16026; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:07:39 -0800 Received: from palm by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA16019; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:07:33 -0800 From: MEAD@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #4908) id <01I1Y9F6XCYE8Y6XKB@uwplatt.edu>; Mon, 04 Mar 1996 19:10:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 19:10:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE:analog keyboard questions To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I1Y9F6XCYG8Y6XKB@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk wow, i totally mean this in a good way, but, did you really not know about the old analog keyboards? i'm really,really sorry if this offends anybody. i suppose not everyone is a tech head but i just thought a lot of ppl knew about what makes the music we listen to. i'm really glad you experienced such a fine piece of equipment and i hope you get good responses about what it is/does. my point is: i've been socialized by the rave scene and my friends that only old skoolers who know everything are in the scene. that's terrible! i'm a prejudiced raver!@#$ are you sure you all still want me to visit san fran with my preconceived notions? just kidding. i'm still coming to see you all. and to the person who posted and i just insulted....do you live in san fran and if so, can i meet you so you can properly kick my ass? *heehee* love you all, clinton mead the midwest dude "just call me flamebait" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 17:13:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA16743; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:13:46 -0800 Received: from palm by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA16713; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:13:27 -0800 From: MEAD@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #4908) id <01I1Y9PZWNE48Y6XKB@uwplatt.edu>; Mon, 04 Mar 1996 19:15:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 19:15:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE:SO you wanna be a chill dj? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I1Y9PZWNE68Y6XKB@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yeah, i'd like to see a discussion on the limited gender diversity in the djing profession at least as far as raves are concerned. it appears pretty equal as far as ravers are concerned by why is the talent so leaned towards males? is it considered too difficult or mentally restraining for females? (whoa, super flamebait here!) are turntables just an extension of the penis? has anyone ever seen dj jackie christie from new york? (doesn;t really pertain, i just think she's gorgeous and a good dj) thanks again, see you all in two wks. clinton the midwest dude From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 17:13:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA16791; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:13:58 -0800 Received: from also.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA16776; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:13:55 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by also.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA06916; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:13:16 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:13:16 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603050113.RAA06916@also.hooked.net> To: Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: |NER| Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, Mar 4, 1996 12:47:26 PM at Amy R Starkey wrote: > > >> > >>when your spouse destroys your turntables because she doesnt like you >> > >>djing, learn to shrug it off and go out and dj. > >> >> Criticism of the above: This is making the assumption that all dj's are >> men. They are not. >> >> Anyone care to comment about this? >> >Well, the statement is also assuming that the dj is heterosexual as well, >which not all dj's are. But I found the list pretty amusing, none the >less! :) > >love, >Amy > Amy, when I try to write any thing, I always go back over it to see how it reads, and I would have changed the word wife to the word spouse to infer either/or and to not risk insulting women like yourself (along with about 1/2 the rest of the readers in the world). Perhaps even the words "your better half " could work as it doesn't infer sexual preference either..........I guess it's all in the way the writer thinks as they put the words to paper (or e-mail etc...) now I just caught myself writing "he" in the statement above (instead of "the writer")..........I wonder if that was my male upbringing or the fact that subconsiously, I believed the writer to be a male due to their use of the word "wife"......interesting !!! moonpup say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 17:21:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA17436; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:21:54 -0800 Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA17430; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:21:51 -0800 Received: from [192.215.98.152] (h98-152.ccnet.com [192.215.98.152]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA23367 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:17:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:17:17 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rafone@ccnet.com (RafOne) Subject: Stacey Pullen & Everything Else Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well #1 thing I have to mention was Stacey Pullen:AMAZING!!! best Dj I ever saw! 2nd Derrick May ...was a pleasure to hear they both just blew my head outta the water-Juan Adkins :gonna check it out tonite..see what's up? I've heard a couple of derricks records but was never really into them.But his and stacey's styles were definatley seemless.... At first i thought the party was kinda vibeless,Jonah Sharp was cool (as always)and I caught the end of Jon Williams set which was cool..everything seemed to pick up tho when Derrick May came on..The dancefloor was definatley were the real vibe was..only one complaint and that was the sound but nothing is perfect(well ALMOST nothing)..Anyways all in all Great Party!! Does anybody know when Sunsets are gonna start again?Someone said the end o March...Also I need another mixer..Anybody sellin a decent one? It's greAT to see alll o thease outta town DJs comin in but it seems like the vibe is slippin anyone else feel that way?or am I just gettin burnt out? Well that's all for now... Raf-OneDers............ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 17:30:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA19402; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:30:27 -0800 Received: from also.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA19393; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:30:23 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by also.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA08147; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:30:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:30:11 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603050130.RAA08147@also.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: male/female dj presence Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I would like to add my $.02 worth and say that I am offering anyone who is really serious about learning some dj skills and technics a chance to come and watch and participate in trainspotting school. Now with all due respect to the masculine bunch.....I would like to especially invite any Femanine types who feel that the male presence is too dominant in the music/club/rave scene etc....to do something about it..........thats not to say however that I am only offering this to women and not men, so ..........I would rather invite men and women (but hope more women are interested) to help to balance out so we are coincide-ery with the ying and the yang......and the balance of nature is equal..... In addition I have been toying with the idea of DJing in drag....so will that help for now?.............moonpup say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 17:31:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA19520; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:31:13 -0800 Received: from alink-gw.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA19513; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:31:10 -0800 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com by alink-gw.apple.com with SMTP (921113.SGI.UNSUPPORTED_PROTOTYPE/7-Oct-1993-eef) id AA11958; Mon, 4 Mar 96 17:30:34 -0800 for sfraves@hyperreal.com Received: from powertalk.apple.com (powertalk.apple.com [17.202.12.200]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA08898; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:29:14 -0800 Message-Id: Date: 4 Mar 1996 17:33:02 -0800 From: "Doug Hill" Subject: Re: Record question. To: "Chris Chervin" , "sfraves@hyperreal.com" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-PS 3.0.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I would imagine that most of the stuff on the comp are available seperately. If they didn't give catalog/label information for each artist, you can also check out the Ambient and Techno archives at Hyperreal http://www.hyperreal.com for more info. I do happen to know that Dreamfish is available on CD and LP in a reissue from Fax, but the vinyl is much harder to find. I recently paid $25 for a somewhat messed up promo version, but it is quite worth it to have a 12" sized version of the Dreamfish. Super cool!! Doug ------ From: Chris Chervin, Mon, Mar 4, 1996 ------ >My question is can I find any of the music from disc 2 on Record? I'm >particularly interested in Syzygy's "Discovery", NLSofE "voices of the >rain forest", and Dreamfish "school of fish". That whole disc on >record would be even better. >Thanks in advance for any advice or info. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 17:40:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA20493; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:40:29 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA20485; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:40:26 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA01527 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:39:24 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA14508; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:39:25 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07624; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:39:20 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:42:57 -0800 To: Milton Cecil From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Re: |NER| Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Maybe everyone should just use "she" and "her" when speaking/writing generically, because genetically speaking, we all begin as afemale egg and a male or female sperm, and there's been LOTS of discussion about every person's female aspects...just some thoughts...and one more: I believe that if a person is offended by something, that person is too uptight :) Love, - E >On Mon, Mar 4, 1996 12:47:26 PM at Amy R Starkey wrote: > >> >> >>> > >>when your spouse destroys your turntables because she doesnt like >you >>> > >>djing, learn to shrug it off and go out and dj. >> >>> >>> Criticism of the above: This is making the assumption that all dj's are > >>> men. They are not. >>> >>> Anyone care to comment about this? >>> >>Well, the statement is also assuming that the dj is heterosexual as well, > >>which not all dj's are. But I found the list pretty amusing, none the >>less! :) >> >>love, >>Amy >> >Amy, > >when I try to write any thing, I always go back over it to see how it >reads, and I would have changed the word wife to the word spouse to infer >either/or and to not risk insulting women like yourself (along with about >1/2 the rest of the readers in the world). Perhaps even the words "your >better half " could work as it doesn't infer sexual preference >either..........I guess it's all in the way the writer thinks as they put >the words to paper (or e-mail etc...) > >now I just caught myself writing "he" in the statement above (instead of >"the writer")..........I wonder if that was my male upbringing or the fact >that subconsiously, I believed the writer to be a male due to their use of >the word "wife"......interesting !!! > > moonpup say no more From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 19:08:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA28527; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:08:43 -0800 Received: from gnn-2.gnn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA28520; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:08:39 -0800 Received: from www-32-68.gnn.com. (www-32-68.gnn.com [205.188.32.68]) by gnn-2.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA29868 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:08:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199603050308.WAA29868@gnn-2.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 02 Mar 1996 18:34:57 From: Kenji To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fwd: A small survey Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 1996 18:24:49 >From: Kenji Liu >To: ne-raves@world.std.com,mw-raves@hyperreal.com,sfraves@hypereal.com >Subject: A small survey > >Hi all, this is a small 3 question survey, if you can take the time to > fill >it out and email back to me privately, that'd be great. :) If you'd like > a >copy of the results, please email me. > >Netraver Survey #1 >1) Do you really like fog machines? >2) Do you think that they add or subtract to a given event? Why? >3) Would you rather have fog machines so that lighting effects are nicer, >or would you like to be able to breathe? > >Thanks! >Kenji / Lunar > >**lunar@gnn.com >**http://members.gnn.com/lunar (coming soon) >****************************************************** >life is a mirror. take a good look!Kenji / Lunar **lunar@gnn.com **http://members.gnn.com/lunar (coming soon) ****************************************************** life is a mirror. take a good look! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 19:32:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA00768; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:32:53 -0800 Received: from isis.source.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA00728; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:32:41 -0800 Received: by isis.source.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id TAA07525; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:30:25 -0800 From: "anne petrie" Message-Id: <9603041930.ZM7523@isis.source.net> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:30:15 -0800 In-Reply-To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) "Re: "Wish you were ambient music"" (Mar 4, 1:57pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Remember the E tickets? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes!!!!!! Those parties were sooooo much fun! Did you go to the one a couple of years ago that was up in that office building? That was a REALLY FUN PARTY! I would drive across the country to go to an E Ticket. (Even though the last one was crowded and really hot!) That family vibe made it really cozy. I passed out Sesame Street necklaces at the last one. Ring any bells? BTW, Does Jeremiah have email? I'd love to stay in touch with him. warmly, -- Anne Petrie Third Wave Solutions, Inc. E-mail: anne@source.net Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 19:37:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA01479; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:37:02 -0800 Received: from isis.source.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA01466; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:36:57 -0800 Received: by isis.source.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for sfraves@hyperreal.com id TAA07702; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:34:27 -0800 From: "anne petrie" Message-Id: <9603041934.ZM7700@isis.source.net> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:34:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: TEST IGNORE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -- Anne Petrie Third Wave Solutions, Inc. E-mail: anne@source.net Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 19:45:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA02500; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:45:03 -0800 Received: from capt.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA02485; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:44:54 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by capt.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA14376; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:44:50 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:44:50 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603050344.TAA14376@capt.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: help !!! I'm stranded on gilligans isle !! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I need a ride to the full moon.......I am supposed to open up as DJ.......can anyone hear me I'm yelling very loud now......HEEEEeeeellllllpppppp me I'm drowning !!!!glug glug!!...moonpup 415-337-6666........I'll bribe you !!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 19:51:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA03088; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:51:38 -0800 Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA03076; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:51:34 -0800 Received: from unknown (crl10.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA22302 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:48:19 -0800 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: BBC TV movie about ravers Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 03:46:58 GMT Message-Id: <313bb82c.86571154@mail.crl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have scheduled this Wednesday evening at my home in Oakland and Saturday evening in Palo Alto for those who want to see "Loved Up", a fine British Melodrama about ravers. I still have room for a few more people who'd like to see it. E-mail me for details. *hugz* David --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ This website is not yet rated. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 20:01:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA04070; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:01:41 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA04064; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:01:39 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id UAA16452; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:01:30 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id UAA21847; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:01:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:01:27 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Boshko Abrams Subject: Re: headphone question To: solo cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, solo wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Does anybody have suggestions on good headphones for Dj's in the 60-100 > > dollar price range? Is it something to take seriously or does any high > > priced set work fine? Thanks in advance. > > > > love chris > > > Well...this arguement just went thru the dj newsgroup...a lot of dj's seem > to like the Sony MDR-V600...I think they are around $100 american. > I have a pair myself..best headphones Ive ever owned. > Nice sound...excellent bass...and the ear part actually wraps right over > your whole ear. In fact I even saw inside the ear piece..and the speaker > is even directed towards your inner ear..for better sound..as opposed to > straight at the side of your head. > The highest price ones dont always mean quality/sound/volume either. > Just go and try out a bunch. > > > > > >I Also have these headphones and they are the best I've ever heard. I purchased mine for $99.95, but I've seen them advertised for $89.95 (I payan extra ten dollars for buying mine in Santa Cruz and not SJ). I'm pretty sure they sell them at most chain electronic stores (Good Guy's, Circut City, etc) The model up from these cost 129.95 and have smaller ear pieces but about the same sound range. I say go for the Sony MRD-V600's, the bass will really blow you away. Matt Da Loaf From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 20:11:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA05217; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:11:41 -0800 Received: from finland.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA05209; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:11:37 -0800 Received: from [153.37.82.120] (pool056.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.120]) by finland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id UAA06641 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:10:32 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:11:20 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) Subject: Re: LET'S HAVE A PARTY Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk What ever happened to the SFRaves party BEGIN AGAIN that had alot of talk in Dec. - even a few meetings(I Think?)? <<>> _@_/` ~\_e_/~ |_G_/~ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ ~/ }} (*) =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 20:33:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA07147; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:33:25 -0800 Received: from aurora.romoidoy.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA07133; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:33:20 -0800 Received: (from walrus@localhost) by aurora.romoidoy.com (8.6.12/Romoidoy-Non-Hub-022896) id UAA19268; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:33:33 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:33:32 -0800 (PST) From: Willis Wong To: SFRaves Subject: I've got dance in my pants Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Actually that was all I wanted to say... o.O ( ) http://www.zoom.com/personal/walrus From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 21:07:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA09849; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:07:18 -0800 Received: from finland.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA09823; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:07:03 -0800 Received: from [153.37.82.120] (pool010.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.74]) by finland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id VAA10931; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:05:07 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:05:09 +0200 To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) Subject: Re: Me and Friendships Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My computer tells me Larry Ching wrote(2-29-96): > However - I rarely see rave folks outside of raves. It hadn't occured to >me to wonder why in a serious manner until tonight. > > A couple of factors that might explain this - > > * I'm not a very social person to begin with. Before raves , my socialisin= g > was limited to girlfriends and just a few others. I'm not an extrovert o= r > a "party person" . It takes awhile for me to get into "friendship" mode > with any individual. It seems in our society today trust is a hard thing to earn and a good friendship can't be built with out it. I see "raving" as a way to met and have a good time with a lot of people who have more of a potential of being my friend than anyone I might meet in on the street (this all depends on the party of course). > * By the time I started going to raves , I had already built up a group of > friends that I still socialise with. I suspect that I'm thinking in a > subconscious sense that I have just enough friends that I can "handle" . > More would add a certain psychic stress . Very true. I find it hard to juggle a lot of friends that I know some-what well than I do having a few good friends I trust and know well. > * Folks don't want me as a friend outside of a rave environment. Of cours= e, > given the above , I may be giving off a "don't bug me" vibe of some sor= t... > * I live in Sunnyvale , which is about 40 miles south of San Francisco. > That prevents me from doing casual "lets go out to dinner now" kind of > stuff with SF and East Bay ravers. I have many friends I see at every party I go to and every once in a while I will go out to breakfast with them the next day or even a non-rave event with them. However they are not my best friends and most don't even live near me (me being in Ebay - Pleasanton) so it is hard to keep up a good freindship. I also think that even at parties people still are reluctant to take the first step and invite a potential good friend out to do something non-rave related. At Plant Rock I met up with a few girls I had known for 6 months at just now we exchanged phone numbers to go continue our friendship outside of raving. Relationships work in mysterious ways and they only happen unless you want them to. I personal have never met you or many other people on this list strictly because I don't know what you look like not because I didn't want to. All of us on this list have similar interests in that we all like music, dancing, and to gather on the weekends to party together. In that you are all similar to me and are my friends. > > What do you folks think? I also want to say , that I hope I haven't hurt >anyone's feelings by implying that you folks are "second-class" friends. >And , this really isn't a call for a lot of sympathetic email giving be ASC= II >hugs 'n such. I'm just asking .... > > Larry "doesn't play or interact well with others" Ching / larryc@netcom.c= om <<>> _@_/` ~\_e_/~ |_G_/~ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ ~/ }} (*) =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 21:09:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA10039; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:09:10 -0800 Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA10033; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:09:04 -0800 Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA25028; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:08:30 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:08:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199603050508.VAA25028@ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: LET'S HAVE A PARTY To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >What ever happened to the SFRaves party BEGIN AGAIN that had alot of talk >in Dec. - even a few meetings(I Think?)? That wasn't Begin Again, that was Fresh Start (I think). Wasn't it? And I was also wondering whatever became of that. Is it a dead deal? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 21:09:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA10245; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:09:57 -0800 Received: from kitten.mcs.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA10182; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:09:50 -0800 Received: from [204.137.234.68] (ovt.pr.mcs.net [204.137.234.68]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA13924 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:09:46 -0600 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:09:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199603050509.XAA13924@kitten.mcs.com> X-Sender: ovt@popmail.mcs.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ovt@mcs.net (OVT Superstar) Subject: Rave visuals at http://www.mcs.net/~ovt/ Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Check out the new OVT web page at http://www.mcs.net/~ovt/ OVT Visualz is a company specializing in atmospheric enhancement at raves and live concerts. We have been around for about 3 years now projecting our art at over 60 raves so far in Chicago and the rest of the U.S. We typically utilize 2 or 3 video projectors and about 4-10 16mm projectors (for film loops) per show to put the audience into a new virtual biomechanical space, complete with rotating screens and hour upon hour of fresh visuals. We have also provided projections for such bands as Ministry, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, Legendary Pink Dots, EMF, Die Warzau and Mercury Rev-to name a few. We are now releasing a video entitled Probe, a first in a series of mind bending videos for your viewing pleasure. Check out our web page at http://www.mcs.net/~ovt/ Probe is a video designed to stimulate the mind. This program acts as a seratonin releasing agent increasing mental awareness and feelings of euphoria during and after viewing. Some have even called Probe a new high tech psychoactive drug. Probe was produced using the latest neural implant technology. As the test subject listened to hardcore techno music (by Chicago's DJ EFEX) his mind began producing images which were picked up by the neural receptor implanted in his brain. The high resolution images were subsequently recorded on videotape after the brain waves were processed into a video signal. Probe has been seen around the country at various rave parties and mental health clinics. All who have seen Probe agree that is has affected them in a positive way. To see more about OVT Visualz and the Probe video, check out the web site at http://www.mcs.net/~ovt/ peace out, Brian ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= ++ >>> http://www.mcs.net/~ovt <<< ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= ++ full on visual assault =F8 biomechanical virtual environment =F8 brain enhancement From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 21:41:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA13096; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:41:08 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA13087; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:41:03 -0800 From: volt@best.com Received: from .best.com (volt.vip.best.com [206.86.76.239]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA24330 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:38:58 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:38:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199603050538.VAA24330@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: volt@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Hey everybody Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just wanted to introduce myself to the list. My name is Voltaire, and I've never actually been to a rave, so I just wanted to see what you guys were all about (please pardon the underlying neophyte theme of this post, I just wanted to check this list out). I've heard they're fun, even kinda spiritual, so I'm hoping I'll get some time to check one out soon. Are there any DJs or parties I should keep an eye out for in particular? Welp, later! volt the guy who's not really a raver but is open to new experiences From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 22:23:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA16513; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:23:25 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA16501; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:23:22 -0800 Received: from well (crunch@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA12824; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:23:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:23:18 -0800 (PST) From: John Draper Subject: Planet Rocks the Rock To: sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: uk-dance@tqmcomms.co.uk, ausrave@student.adelaide.edu.au Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Planet Rock Review -------------------- Well, this weekend, I'm FINALLY getting back into the Rave of things... IE: Getting out more often... Friday, the Frequency-8 thing got busted, but WOW what a really cool warehouse. It's too bad that an asshole complained about the noise that brought the police to shut it down in the middle of Ethan's set. So, to make up for it, I also went out to Planet Rock, thanks to the promoters generosity who got me on the guest list, and WOW, what a rave it was. It was at the Home base location, a huge warehouse behind the Home Base Home improvement center, probably one of the best venues in the bay area. It appears that more and more parties might be held there in the future, as long as people will respect the venue and not "Tag" it. Saturday, March 2nd - _Planet Rock Strikes Back_ Trance, Terry Mullen, Nigel Richards, Hipp-E, Karizma, Jim Hopkins, Graeme, Surge, Das, Abstract, Cesar, Radley. E.B.E. Visuals. 415.267.3916 510.433.7216 This time, no hardcore was on the bill, but early on, I was told a Gabber set was going to happen in the main room, but after repeated visits, I don't think that happened. The main room was mostly house, but I spent more time in the smaller room, groovin to some awesome trance from some DJ's I haven't heard before. The music was OK, but the DJ sometimes let the beats stop for brief periods that gave me opportunities to go to the main room. In the main room, really funky house was spinning my brains around my head. I had already pulled an allnighter on Friday evening, and didn't sleep at all on Saturday, and stayed awake all night Saturday as well. Ahhh!! Such a wonderful feeling to be able to pull two all-nighters in a row. Shortly after 6 AM, the smaller room shut down, but the big room was still going strong. By that time, the fact that I had not eaten dinner the night before, started to take its toll on me, but I managed to pull through to the end, and headed out for a bite to eat and headed back home on BART. Good advice, if you plan on pulling two allnighters in a row, eat a good meal the 2nd night... The venue was KILLER, the visuals were also really good. Overall score (1-10 scale): Venue = 9 (No other venue has ever scored this high) Visuals = 8 (Excellent video/ lasers) Music = 7 (Not as varied as last Planet rock) Sound = 8 (Kinda loud, but clean sound) Vibe = 8 (High percentage of SFRavers) So, really high scores on this one.... So, if you call the info line from future parties and learn it's behind Home base, you will know that the venue is LARGE (But entrance cost would be $20 - due to the high cost of the venue). Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 22:31:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA17320; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:31:10 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA17306; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:31:06 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id WAA05310; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:31:01 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:32:43 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: Burning Man Solstice! (fwd) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Starchild wrote: >P.S. - A couple off-the-wall ideas... > Could this be the "year of the woman"? A Burning Woman, with >long hair and breasts? Or a Burning Couple, perhaps? On fire with love, >even? 8) Last year saw the introduction of a hermaphroditic "Man"--one side male, one side female. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 22:32:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA17432; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:32:01 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA17404; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:31:57 -0800 From: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu Received: from [128.32.91.88] (mmf18.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.88]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA10402 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:31:53 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:30:47 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Lack of Female DJ's Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi, everybody! I have been "eavesdropping" on this list for a while, and have been very excited to find a forum to discuss experiences and issues of the scene. Now that I have e-mail, I can finally participate! I have also noticed and pondered the disproportion of male to female d.j.'s, and would like to add some thoughts to the discussion. I think the lack of parity stems from a complex sociological phenomenon, which carries into the (otherwise radiantly equitable!) rave scene. Note: I am talking very generally here! Women, to simplify things greatly, are socialized to be passive. We are not as actively encouraged as males to be ambitious, succeed, or to go out on a limb. We receive very different messages from society about our abilities and appropriate aspirations. Effects of this socialization are obvious, from women's goals for themselves, reticence to assert themselves, and common beliefs about women's capabilties. Internalization of these messages makes them appear natural, and leads us to questions on this list like, "is it that women don't like the music?", rather than looking at the underlying phenomena. *Why* wouldn't a woman who loved the music and the scene pursue dj'ing when a raver just like her (but male) *would* be willing to try? Not only does female socialization make the jump from enjoyer of music (passive) to technician of music (active) difficult, but any woman who does step forward is then put in the position of representing her entire gender! Hence the term, "girl dj." That creates the famous double-bind for women of having to excel, not just attempt - otherwise her effort is written-off as a mark against her gender, proof that a "girl" couldn't do it. Sexism may also possibly manifest itself with promoters (subconsciously?) not wanting to book female dj's (for fear that the name will not be as big a draw). You will also find less women as party organizers, circle dance competitors (leaving aside that debate for now), and contributers on this list! I hope this doesn't sound like I'm accusing anyone of overt sexism, or excusing women from pursuing greater goals. I simply believe that the disparity between male and female dj's is not natural (i.e. men are more musicallytalented, etc.), but must be caused by some sociological process. Any thoughts on this? I'm a little wary now of sending this post, because I've seen how opinions expressed cause misunderstandings sometimes, and can lead to excessive overanalyzing. I send this in the spirit of sharing our hopes and concerns about everything in our scene, to make it better and more meaningful for all. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 22:54:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA19256; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:54:17 -0800 Received: from ix13.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA19250; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:54:15 -0800 Received: from by ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id WAA15263; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:53:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:53:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199603050653.WAA15263@ix13.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Part of the problem, from what I've observed, seems to me to be the attitudes of some people towards female dj's, in some cases. I was at a party once where there was a female dj doin her thing (& doing just fine, of course), when I overheard a guy next to me say something along the lines of "Boy, if women can't mix, they shouldn't even fucking bother trying". I can see where, if I were a female dj, I would find this a rather daunting attitude to have to combat, an attitude from what I've seen is entirely absent in regards to male djs. Even in the rave scene, this attitude can be found. Obviously this is not the normal case, I know plenty of guys who really would like to see more female djs, but I could still see where knowing that this attitude existed could make things just that more difficult to deal with. I myself would like to hear more female dj's, I heard a pretty killer one at Packa-Bowl, altho I can't remember her name now. Anyway, just my observations on that aspect. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 4 22:57:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA19542; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:57:44 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA19535; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:57:40 -0800 From: freakz@ultima.org Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Mon, 4 Mar 96 22:46 PST Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.16.19960305065037.093f5e04@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 22:50:37 -0800 To: Matt Wietzke Subject: Re: Mini Thins Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:01 PM 3/4/96 -0800, Matt Wietzke wrote: >Lately I have been popping about 6 mini thins at a time when I go to a rave. Why bother? -Sean _____________________________________ F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." (415) 227-7421 Renegade Sound System & Light Show (415) 679-3113 _____________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 01:25:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA03418; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:25:46 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA03406; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:25:43 -0800 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.4/UCD3.5.1) id BAA25306; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:25:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:25:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603050925.BAA25306@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: ez056875@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress Subject: Barry Weaver Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where to get any Barry Weaver tapes. I know that these things are hard to get since he doesn't come out with tapes that often and he doesn't like to record his sets. Any info will be appreciated! Matt SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLL EEEEEEE __ __ SSSSSSSSS MMMMM MMMMM III LLL EEEEEEE / \ / \ SSSS MMM MM MM MMM III LLL EE \__/ \__/ SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM MMM III LLL EEEEEEE /\ SSSS MMM MMM III LLL EE \ / SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLLLLLLLL EEEEEEE \ / SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLLLLLLLL EEEEEEE \______/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 01:50:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA06674; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:50:18 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA06668; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:50:15 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA29764; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:50:13 -0800 Received: (from anthrax@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA15607; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:46:13 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Message-Id: <199603050946.BAA15607@uclink.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's To: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:46:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603050653.WAA15263@ix13.ix.netcom.com> from "Shawna McGourty" at Mar 4, 96 10:53:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2005 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've been going to raves and helping put them on (the New Moon, Friends and Family) for about three years now, and I've often been bugged by the lack of female involvement in the production and artistic aspects of the scene. Lots of women go to raves, of course, but often women get put off from getting deeper into the scene by what I call the Smurf syndrome. Smurfs, as you know, are adorable little blue creatures that live together in a little Smurf village. There are lots of Smurfs, but they are all male except for Smurfette. Sometimes when I'm at a party, I'll look around and notice that I'm one of maybe two or three women present in a crowd of guys. That's the Smurfette syndrome. Don't get me wrong- I love my raver brothers- but I always like it better when there's also lots of women around, too. I got into throwing parties when a couple of female friends- Mona Love and Heather- showed me that women can accomplish a lot even when their men friends don't take them very seriously. But the men I truly respect..and there are a lot of them!..don't have this attitude at all and have made a serious effort to include women as much as possible. Many times men have said to me: there must be at least one woman dj at every party! For a party to go off you need male and female energy working together. I've been lucky enough to get to know some really strong women in the scene, and they are a big inspiration to me. They make me feel proud of being female and they give me the strength to face down a lot of the sexist crap I encounter in my day-to-day life. For a community to flourish it needs lots of different people to contribute their own personal vibe. Raves need just as many strong females as males so that we can keep this wonderful thing going as long as possible! Here's a list of all the females I know of that play records: DRC, Clair, Tracy, Pollywog, Kelli, Laura, Bonny Can anybody add more names to this list? Much respect, Ann From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 02:28:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA13029; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:28:17 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA13024; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:28:15 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA07837; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:28:10 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9603050228.ZM7834@well> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:28:09 -0800 In-Reply-To: rafone@ccnet.com (RafOne) "Stacey Pullen & Everything Else" (Mar 4, 5:17pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: rafone@ccnet.com (RafOne), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Stacey Pullen & Everything Else Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Now y'all know why I've been saying Stacey Pullen was gonna RULE on the West Coast :) :) :) phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 02:30:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA13325; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:30:20 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA13320; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:30:18 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA04480 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:30:16 -0800 Received: (from anthrax@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA20240 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:29:18 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Message-Id: <199603051029.CAA20240@uclink.berkeley.edu> Subject: more about women in the scene To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:29:16 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2923 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On the topic of women ravers: I'm really glad that Nancy brought this up, because she expressed a lot of the things I've been thinking about but hadn't thought of a way to say exactly. I liked the points she made about how women are socialized to be passive and how they are expected not to do much except dance and enjoy. But I guess you've all noticed that as time passes, there there have been more and more women getting involved in the production aspect of parties. Since we are on the topic of socializtion, it seems like a good idea to raise the point that one aspect of female socialization islearning how to create pleasant environments for people. The whole concept of House is a big deal in the rave scene. And women get taught from girlhood how to "make house," that is, how to make a beautiful place for people to congregate. Although music is key, I feel that the most creative part of throwing raves is creating the House out of whatever space you've got. After three years of helping throw parties, I've found that the music is good when the House is good, and the music will suck when the venue is not good. I've heard the same dj's play awesome sets when they were in a good environment and then play uninspired sets when the environment was a drag. Women are discovering that they can express themselves by creating the House. But I would like to see more women dj's, because I'm afraid that the rave scene is lamely transposing the traditional male/female roles into our own unique subculture. One thing I worry about a lot is that we are repeating the same old pattern that I've read about in _Women of the Left Bank_ by Shari Benstock. One part of this book describes how women-run publishing companies bent over backwards to publish men's writing and received very little credit or money for their efforts. They did it anyway because they believed in the art they were bringing to life by helping it get to print. They knew good art when they saw it and put up with a lot of misogynist crap from the men they were supporting. I worry that most of the producers of techno/house/ambient/trip hop music are MEN. Their music will be recognized as visionary, which it is, and will be remembered with respect fifty years from now, but I worry that the mileu that the women have had a lot to do with creating and which has made this music possible will end up as an amusing historical footnote. And that their contribution will be seen as an accessory to the really important stuff- the music- that is a male-dominated field at the moment. Record producers by and large start out as djs. If women don't start spinning records in larger numbers, then most of the music will be made by men. A situation that I would like to see get balanced out by more women getting into spinning records. Thanks for bringing all this up, Nancy. I hope to see you out some time soon! -Ann From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 02:41:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA16144; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:41:47 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA16137; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:41:44 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA10027; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:41:39 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9603050241.ZM10025@well> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:41:38 -0800 In-Reply-To: Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress "Barry Weaver" (Mar 5, 1:25am) References: <199603050925.BAA25306@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Barry Weaver Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think BPM often has Barry's tapes. I see Barry pretty often and I'll ask him about this. phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 02:49:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA16606; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:49:29 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA16600; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:49:27 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA11085; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:49:22 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9603050249.ZM11082@well> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:49:22 -0800 In-Reply-To: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice) "Re: my winter vacation pt. 2" (Mar 1, 12:21pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice), Fred Heutte Subject: Re: my winter vacation pt. 2 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I definitely did not mean to leave Alex out in my posting last week about MAD. As I told him last Monday, if it hadn't been for finding a couple of Detroit house tracks at Gaia Mantra, I wouldn't have gotten motivated for going on two trips to Detroit and moving my musical attention in that direction in such a strong way, ending up with my set at MAD last Monday. So this is definitely a pubilc thank-you to Alex not only for that but for his continued positive presence in Da Scene :) phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 07:16:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA07872; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:16:48 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA07861; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:16:45 -0800 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA28796; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:17:32 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:17:32 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Barry Weaver In-Reply-To: <199603050925.BAA25306@franc.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HMMMMMM.... maybe you can try Ameba records on the Haight..... they usually have a good selection of DJ's tapes there:). hugs- Reagan On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress wrote: > Does anyone know where to get any Barry Weaver tapes. I know that these > things are hard to get since he doesn't come out with tapes that often and > he doesn't like to record his sets. Any info will be appreciated! > > Matt > SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLL EEEEEEE __ __ > SSSSSSSSS MMMMM MMMMM III LLL EEEEEEE / \ / \ > SSSS MMM MM MM MMM III LLL EE \__/ \__/ > SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM MMM III LLL EEEEEEE /\ > SSSS MMM MMM III LLL EE \ / > SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLLLLLLLL EEEEEEE \ / > SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLLLLLLLL EEEEEEE \______/ > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 08:19:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA15294; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:19:57 -0800 Received: from pandora.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA15284; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:19:54 -0800 Received: from by pandora.ucdavis.edu (8.6.13/UCD3.5.1) id IAA20369; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:19:46 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:19:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199603051619.IAA20369@pandora.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: "Wish you were ambient music" X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've played "Is There Anybody Out There?" from Pink Floyd The Wall...at more than one party. As well as the guitar balad type song thingy right after it. Rick >>What does everybody think? Would you dig chilling out in the ambient >>room and hear "shine on" come slowly blending into the music? It might >>catch you by surprise and you won't even realize what song it is for a >>while. Though I know some people would pick it up right away. Anyway >>I'm just now starting to learn about mixing and it seems to me like a >>great song to throw into an ambient set. >> >>love chris > >Yes, do it! The only time I ever spun, I mixed "Echoes" from the Pink >Floyd album "Meddle," and it sounded good to the listeners as well as to me >:) I recall hearing a Doobie Brothers tune being mixed at my first party, >which was Jeremiah's party last September (anyone remember the E-tickets?). >It would be soooooo cool if more of this mixing of "familiar" music was >done, as long as it didn't get too cheesy... > >- E > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 08:56:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA19686; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:56:56 -0800 Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA19676; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:56:49 -0800 Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA25869; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:56:03 -0500 Date: 05 Mar 96 11:55:16 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: moonpup in drag..... Message-ID: <960305165516_71165.755_GHL135-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk let's take a vote -- I say yes, I wanna see it. leslie ; ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 09:31:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA24012; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:31:35 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA24000; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:31:27 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA24596 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:30:39 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA11770; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:30:38 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA24770; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:30:35 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:34:15 -0800 To: Ann Elizabeth Loraine From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: more about women in the scene Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow! When you talk about the House, you inspire a thought I hadn't considered before, and that relates to this discussion: withing the House is a Family. A Family should be composed of people who love, nurture, support and respect each other. Am I on the right track here? - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 10:46:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA02533; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:46:39 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA02520; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:46:35 -0800 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA16505; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:46:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:46:03 -0500 Message-ID: <960305134602_160807938@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: ovt@mcs.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Rave visuals at http://www.mcs.net/~ovt/ Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk are you for real? >>>>>>Probe was produced using the latest neural implant technology. As the test subject listened to hardcore techno music (by Chicago's DJ EFEX) his mind began producing images which were picked up by the neural receptor implanted in his brain. The high resolution images were subsequently recorded on videotape after the brain waves were processed into a video signal.<<<<<< What a bunch of bullshit! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 11:02:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA04210; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:02:21 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04201; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:02:18 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b9); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:02:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:01:37 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Full Moon Facts Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk --- begin forwarded text Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 20:40:50 -0800 (PST) From: Koren Ann Paalman To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu Subject: Full Moon Facts MIME-Version: 1.0 Did you know: 1. A full moon is considered lucky on Monday, Moon Day 2. Only one month has ever elapsed without a full moon, February 1866, an event that will not repeat itself for 2.5 million years 3. Ancient Greeks thought marriages consummated during a full moon would be prosperous and happy 4. In England, a distinction was once made between lunacy and insanity;the former happened only during a full moon, while the latter was permanent 5. Many Navajos believe that a woman is more likely to give birth during a full moon because of its pull on the amniotic fluid 6. Doctors who note increased bleeding in patients tonight may well attribute it to the moon, a correlation confirmed by some studies Well now you do!!! Happiest of Full Moons * Koren --- end forwarded text From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 11:31:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA07555; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:31:30 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA07537; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:31:23 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA07056 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:31:17 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA17321; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:25:55 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:25:54 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Reply-To: KaySEE Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thank you so much to Nancy and Ann for providing some thought provoking discussion about the lack of female dj's. I've felt everything that both of them said, but could not have put it so eloquently. Andy sent me a URL for a levi web page that is about female dj's inlcuding Charlotte, DRC, and Emma. It is a neat page and gives a lot of support to these dj's while letting them tell what it has been like getting where they are. If anyone would like to check it out, the URL is below: http://www.levi.com/fly-zone/vol1/iss2/index Women often have to overcome much more of a mountain in order to do many things that are typically male dominated because of a lack of a support network. You can call this the "old boys' network" if you want. Men in this network support their own. Often, I don't necessarily think it is malicious, but rather they support ppl who are just like them. For example, in the interview I read about Charlotte she said while growing up in the dance scene in Chicago, there were many ppl who aspired to be dj's, mostly men. If a younger brother had an older brother who was a dj, and the younger brother wanted to be a dj, the older brother and all of his friends took him under their wing. With girls this didn't happen because girls were just supposed to be "girls." Therefore, many times women don't really have an "initiation" into the scene where they receive a lot of support and a network to go along with it. I think that our scene is a step ahead of much of the rest of society. I have seldom felt like an "object" when I go to parties, something that I appreciate more than anything. I have met very wonderful, open-minded ppl that truly care about equality and individuality and have felt like an active, validated participant in the whole process. However, like Ann said, she is worried that there is a segment of our scene that is beginning to represent the rest of society. I agree, but am glad that a discussion like this has occured so that we may be able to remedy the part that each individual person has control over, themselves. I am referring to the knowledge that we can each do our part and learn, and help others. I thank ppl like moonpup who took an active part with his offer of helping others learn how to dj. This is what I mean by helping others. Thank you for letting me say what I felt :) kirsten P.S A big welcome to nancy. i've known her for quite awhile now. she is very enthusiastic about the scene and i love talking to her about it. i know she's wanted to be a part of this list for ahwile, so i am glad she finally made it. a big virtual *hug*, nancy!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 12:04:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA11325; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:04:58 -0800 Received: from parcplace.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA11308; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:04:54 -0800 Received: from [192.159.3.151] (2heads.parcplace.com [192.159.3.151]) by parcplace.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10610 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:01:50 -0800 X-Sender: snomura@central Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:09:27 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: snomura@parcplace.com (Sean Nomura) Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If you were to look within the corporate structure just fifty years ago, you would find hardly even one female in the executive branch of that structure. Likewise, you would not see a male secretary or receptionist. Just eighty years ago, a female sole-breadwinner (married) was extremely atypical, and a male homemaker was absolutely uneard of. However, over time, and with a good amount of resistance (as Nancy noted earlier), society has reexamined those roles defined as being 'male' or 'female'. I see dj'ing as no different from the rest of all of these predefined roles. The beginning of any endeavor whose role is defined as the 'opposite' sex can be very trying for either side. Partially because when one is entering a new 'era' they often have no role models from which to emulate. And partially out of the fear that their masculinity of femininity would be questioned, and, as Shawna mentioned, that the gender difference within that role can be resisted by others. One example is Star Trek Voyager. Here you have a woman in a position of authority. In a role that has been traditionally defined as 'male', this woman had to find a way to play that role, and still keep her femininity intact. Thus, she had to have the strength and courage to become a role model for Women of Authority. In today's society, she is a pioneer, venturing into uncharted territory, and paving the way for other women... and I suppose even becoming a 'catalyst' for eradicating those definitions for the roles traditionally defined as 'male' or 'female'. And so the same can be said for the female dj's on the scene today... They deserve the applause.... for their courage into venturing into 'uncharted' territory, paving the way for other inspiring female dj's. But it's not just that. I think Nancy was very correct about the specific motivations of men and women having an affect on the numbers... Generally, men place a large stake of their self-esteem on their business prowess, their ability to win bread, and their career. They have intense motivation for something that will lead to physical sexual gratification. Generally, women place a large stake of their self-esteem, and identify themselves through their relationships with people. They have intense motivation for something that will lead to love and connection. This being the case, dj'ing would not be worth the effort for the general population of females, even if their desire was fairly good strength. Although they may be receiving the satisfaction of: loving what they do, creating an excellent vibe, connecting with the people on the dance floor, love of the music, etc., their underlying motivations (as females in general) can go unsatisfied. The cost of the equipment, the time to practice and keep up on the technology and music, etc. would not produce enough return for their investment for most women. Men on the other hand not only receive the satisfaction from the process, their deep underlying motivations (as men in general) become satisfied as well. This being the case, the chances of an adequate return for their investment is greatly increased. So long as the disparity of 'male' and 'female' roles can be observed in the rest of society, thiat same disparity will also be a mere 'fact of life' within the entire guild of dj's. Men and women not only have different motivations, they are 'wired' differently in their brains. The mental and emotional sides of their brains work together, wheras in men, the two sides are split, and very often men have a much more difficult time trying to identify their feelings. They usually have the capacity to work on only one aspect at a time... analyze, or emotionalize. Women generally have the ability to do both at once. My point is that if men and women want to work toward an 'equal role' society, they not only have to overcome sociological and psychological bounds, but biological bounds as well. This I do not forsee happening in a long time to come... but it is nice to observe people with the courage to try and break those bounds. Peace. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 12:27:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA13832; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:27:02 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA13818; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:26:59 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id MAA11374; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:26:40 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:28:23 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Not to trivialize any of this discussion, or to deny that there are unique features to the situation of women in the rave scene, but I think the principal reasons for the lack of female DJs are exactly the same as for the lack of female blues guitarists, or lawyers, or bricklayers. Namely the long history of socialization, cultural conditioning, blah blah, restricting women to not necessarily passive but *private* (ie domestic--familial and social) roles. This is why women are historically and currently underrepresented in all but an exceptional handful of professions--most professional undertakings are necessarily public enterprises in non-domestic environments. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 12:27:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA10395; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:56:36 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA10378; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:56:33 -0800 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA22404; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:56:31 -0800 Received: (from krok@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA00588; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:52:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:52:55 -0800 (PST) From: Kyung Rok Lee Subject: Re: Mini Thins To: Matt Wietzke cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603042001.MAA03750@franc.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Regular use will drain your adrenal glands (coffee does this, too). Regular abuse may mess with your central nervous system, and make you a little jittery. Be moderate and infrequent (e.g. weekends) in your usage, and perhaps complement your intake with adrenal replenishing foods and supplements (e.g. tyrosine). Rest assured, the adrenals are constantly getting replenished, but it may take a while for your body to catch up, time during which you may feel somewhat lethargic. Speak with a doctor or health food store personnel for further advice. Because I don't personally use MIni Thins, I wouldn't know how excessive 6 of them are in the course of one evening. -Rok. ps. If you have any known heart condition, you should stay away from stimulants in general. On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Matt Wietzke wrote: > Lately I have been popping about 6 mini thins at a time when I go to a rave. > Could anyone out there tell me if there are any harmful side effects or what > the long term affects are? > > Matt > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 12:32:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA14396; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:32:51 -0800 Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA14388; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:32:45 -0800 Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA00830; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:32:00 -0500 Date: 05 Mar 96 15:31:08 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: women dj's - mixed feelings Message-ID: <960305203107_71165.755_GHL59-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have some mixed feelings about the discussions on women dj's (and please understand I've fought for feminist issues all of my life) -- but it seems to me, we're not really evolved until it totally doesn't matter if you're male, female, straight, gay, transexual, black, white, martian - the music is what matters. Of course, if there are situations or preconceived notions that keep people from spinning who want to, we need to fix that... so if you're a promoter or dj, and you think you're excluding people based on habits, old ideas, whatever, try to change that... like moonpup offering to share his knowledge, which I hope some interested people take him up on... But when I hear about an "all-woman" line-up, I have to cringe a little -- not that there aren't amazing women who spin, but because separation doesn't feel like the answer -- and reverse discrimination is still discrimination based on factors other than what's really central, which for us is the music. Now, if an all-woman lineup was just how it turned out to be, that would be different .... The perfect party? The dj's are half men, half women, mixed races and sexual preferences -- and you **never even notice it**, because the music rocks! That's the party I want to go to! leslie : ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 12:46:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA15774; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:46:27 -0800 Received: from post4.inre.asu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA15766; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:46:24 -0800 From: sbmooc@IMAP1.ASU.EDU Received: from general1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.0-6 #7723) id <01I1ZCN0F3O08WXSLM@asu.edu>; Tue, 05 Mar 1996 13:46:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from general1.asu.edu (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by general1.asu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA01499; Tue, 05 Mar 1996 12:08:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 12:08:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's In-reply-to: X-Sender: sbmooc@general1.asu.edu To: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk maybe the whole idea that there are many people out there wondering "why aren't there female djs, dancers , and promoters?" keeps the females away from the whole thing. Who wants to be a beginner and have that extra attention on you just because you're a female??? ?? toni **************************************************************************** ---- / 0 0 \ ( )( Toni Balogna Eats Macaroni ( )( ) /--------\ )( ) a.k.a Toni Coombs )( )( \ \| |/ / ( )( sbmooc@imap1.asu.edu ( )( ) \ ---- / )( ) tall, blond, beautiful )( )( ---- YEAH RIGHT! **************************************************************************** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 12:56:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA15063; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:40:52 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA15053; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:40:49 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA11129; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:40:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:40:17 -0500 Message-ID: <960305154016_238248542@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Record question. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm sure some one will correct me, but I believe that there is several disks in that collection. I know I have a rising high trance injection record with "my eternal prayer" on it. And I have sseen other records in the series. Good Luck, Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 13:06:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA18120; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:06:42 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA18076; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:06:26 -0800 Received: from [206.123.34.146] (g34-146.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01801; Tue, 5 Mar 96 16:02:42 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:08:59 -0500 To: Ann Elizabeth Loraine From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: Re: more about women in the scene Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 2:29 AM 3/5/96, Ann Elizabeth Loraine wrote: >Record producers by and large start out as djs. If women don't start >spinning records in larger numbers, then most of the music will be made >by men. A situation that I would like to see get balanced out by more >women getting into spinning records. Good observation :) Coincidentally, there are two parties coming up on the East Coast with All-female DJ lineups ("BITCH'N" and "Feminine Melody,). There ARE a lot of female DJs out there (often i don't think of them as female though, just djs!)..here's a few of my faves: Stroboscopic (New York), Heather Heart (Brooklyn), Miss DJAX (Holland) and those are only the ones that play REAL HARD :) there's also a couple high-rankin' junglists like DJ Rap, Kemistry and Storm and others. There is a list around, somewhere, of Female Djs and you'd be suprised at how many there are, and the fact that they play all styles of music and cannot simply be classified as a 'female dj' by musical taste. There is also (last i heard) a WIR (Women In Raves) listserv going on, i could get the info on it if anyone is interested (i can't get on it because i am chromosonally challenged :). Peace, brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 13:28:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA20218; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:28:25 -0800 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA20210; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:28:22 -0800 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA11571; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:27:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:27:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199603052127.NAA11571@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: I heard a cool Rumor! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Howdy do everyone! I just heard a really cool rumor through the grapevine. Sunsets are coming soon. This rumor comes from someone not connected with Pacific so please realize that this could be completely false. Anyway possibly near the end of March we may see the return of our favorite weekly. I hope so! love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 14:12:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA24310; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:12:17 -0800 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA24303; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:12:13 -0800 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA12270; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:11:03 -0800 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA10561; Tue, 5 Mar 96 14:11:02 PST Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12696; Tue, 5 Mar 96 14:11:01 PST From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9603052211.AA12696@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Re: I heard a cool Rumor! To: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 96 14:11:00 PST Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603052127.NAA11571@ix2.ix.netcom.com>; from "Chris Chervin" at Mar 5, 96 1:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I just heard a really cool rumor through the grapevine. Sunsets are > coming soon. This rumor comes from someone not connected with Pacific 3/24 - Lee :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 14:30:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA25941; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:30:09 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA25931; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:30:05 -0800 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id OAA10700; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:39:13 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:39:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199603052239.OAA10700@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: BBC TV movie about ravers Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 03:46 AM 3/5/96 GMT, David Minuk wrote: >I have scheduled this Wednesday evening at my home in Oakland and >Saturday evening in Palo Alto for those who want to see "Loved Up", a >fine British Melodrama about ravers. I still have room for a few more >people who'd like to see it. E-mail me for details. > >*hugz* >David David I want to come but I need a ride! If someone who is going can come by and scoop me up (I live in SF now) I would be very greatful! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 15:06:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA29108; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:06:20 -0800 Received: from elaine37.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA29026; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:06:12 -0800 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine37.Stanford.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.1) id PAA26353; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:04:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:04:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: Lee Fogel cc: Chris Chervin , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: I heard a cool Rumor! In-Reply-To: <9603052211.AA12696@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Lee Fogel wrote: > > I just heard a really cool rumor through the grapevine. Sunsets are > > coming soon. This rumor comes from someone not connected with Pacific > > 3/24 > > - Lee :) > > WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP! great way to start spring break... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 15:08:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA29521; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:08:56 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA29508; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:08:52 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA21270; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:08:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:08:23 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: tim744@silicon.email.net cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Signing off Sfraves In-Reply-To: <9602292052.S256823972@silicon.email.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Tim, I don't know if you're reading this, but I can assure you your feelings of not being heard are misplaced. Ninety-plus percent of the posts I read and appreciate I never respond to -- I don't have time, and it would simply add to the total volume and increase the number of those who *do* simply delete most messages unread. Imagine yourself as a journalist whose articles are printed in the newspaper. If no one writes letters to the editor mentioning your stuff do you assume it's not being read? A wise person once said that in relationships it is of great importance to ask for what you need. That applies to SFRAVES as well, in my opinion. If you want feedback and attention, just ask for it, and you shall in all likelihood receive! (I base this on the fact that any number of people have asked for good cheer to be sent to themselves or a friend who was feeling down and then posted later to thank everyone for the tremendous response.) So if you feel you have something to contribute to our discussion Tim, chances are others feel the same way and will miss your contribution. Much love, <<< Starchild >>> On Thu, 29 Feb 1996 tim744@silicon.email.net wrote: > Pls put this before the P.S one...but like always you probaqlly have delteted > it already. My first post didn't get posted. SOooooo > > I'm signing off SFRaves because, I'm wasting your time with the delete key, > deleting my post. and also my internet time posting. I've had over the year > less then a hand full post back to me on a general post..and less on personal > post. This is not including people I talk to on a daily basis. Total 3. So > instead of you wasting time deleting my post whether personnal or private, > you don't have to worry, I'm off of here. You can see me at the next party > if you know me and for those who don't, I wear my laminate. If I see one, > I'll make it a point to saw HI. Other than that. I don't see what reason ther > is for me to stay..No one seems to listen to me any way. I hope you got my > original post...It was much better. but then again you probally deleted it > before you even saw the title, or who wrote it. For those that know me, you > have my email, for those that don't. See ya when I do. > > Tim (knucklehead) > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 15:23:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA01563; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:23:46 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA01545; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:23:37 -0800 Received: from [128.32.104.159] (dgaf2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.104.159]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA28149 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:22:52 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:21:53 -0800 To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com From: matt515@uclink4.berkeley.edu (matt marat) Subject: Lack of Female DJ's Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The lack of female DJ's is probably caused by a very simple factor- our very sexist sociey. Now, many will argue that the rave scene is immune to the ills of the mainstream society, but this is far from being true. Next time you go to rave, look around ya. Therefore, we have to change the way we treat our children. It has to start early, probably in kindergarten when boys are encouraged to be more aggressive and physical , whereas girls rarely receive the same kind of attention. If we start them young, maybe then and only then girls and boys will be on the same par. Later, Matt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 15:46:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA03862; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:46:32 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA03855; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:46:28 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA05802 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:46:25 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA08866; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:42:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:42:21 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Reply-To: KaySEE Subject: Female DJ's To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am extremely glad that this topic got started. I just read the two messages from Leslie and Anarch. Lack of female dj's is, of course, caused by the same reasons that cause a lack of womens' presence in all walks of life. This would be the patriarchial society that we live in. I think, however, that through discussion and information we can remedy it. Like Leslie, i wish we could go to parties and not have to even think about gender/race/sexual orientation etc. etc. In large part I think the rave scene is special in that way; it welcomes ppl from all backgrounds. However, it still has its problems and in order to overcome them we must admit they exist. That's why I am enthralled that this discussion has taken place. I would like to add one more task that women face in becoming a dj. I would call this simple networking, but you could call it the "old boys' network" if you really wanted to. If a boy is interested in becoming a dj and he has an older brother who is already one or has older friends, they will immediately take the kid under their wing. Girls don't always have this support network and encouragement (I feel) and therefore the process becomes more daunting. Andy provided me with a really cool URL that focuses on women dj's including DRC, Emma, and Charlotte. If anyone is interested here it is. It has interviews by the women and some of their experiences dj'ing. There is a difference between their experiences and mens', so if you're interested I'd check it out. http://www.levi.com/fly-zone/vol1/iss2/index kc p.s. i posted something similar to this earlier, but it doesn't seem to be have gone through. if it does, please excuse the repetion kc kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu .*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* "Talk is cheap..." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 15:51:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA04354; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:51:14 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA04347; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:51:11 -0800 From: Czefir@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA12900 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:50:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:50:39 -0500 Message-ID: <960305185038_161073556@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Mini Thins Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk excuse my ignorance, but what is a mini thin? Czefir From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 16:04:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA05957; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:04:53 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA05943; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:04:48 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.205] (u2w36.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.205]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA23259; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:04:32 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:04:01 -0800 To: MEAD@uwplatt.edu From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: RE:SO you wanna be a chill dj? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >i'd like to see a discussion on the limited gender diversity >in the djing profession at least as far as raves are concerned. > >it appears pretty equal as far as ravers are concerned by why is the >talent so leaned towards males? > >is it considered too difficult or mentally restraining for females? >(whoa, super flamebait here!) > >are turntables just an extension of the penis? maybe there's something about djing that appeals more to guys... in the same way most rock bands are made up of guys... Maybe getting up and entertaining a crowd of people is more of a "guy" thing... I'll bet there's an evolutionary explanation... :) -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 16:10:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA06662; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:10:21 -0800 Received: from pandora.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA06521; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:09:43 -0800 Received: from by pandora.ucdavis.edu (8.6.13/UCD3.5.1) id QAA22522; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:08:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:08:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199603060008.QAA22522@pandora.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Czefir@aol.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: Mini Thins Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It is a pill that you can buy at 7/11 or circle K or AM/PM or what ever. It's like speed. They come in little packages of about 8 for a couple dollars or so. It makes you all tingly and gives you energy. You can feel the hair on your head through your scalp when you're on um. They suck as far as I am concerned. They raise your heart rate way up as well so I think they are kind of dangerous. Some of you may remember the amusing (not so much at the time) story I posted a few months ago regarding these little jems. Be careful. Rick >excuse my ignorance, but what is a mini thin? > >Czefir > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 16:12:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA07186; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:12:31 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA07173; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:12:28 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.205] (u2w36.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.205]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA30003 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:12:24 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:11:53 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Rave visuals at http://www.mcs.net/~ovt/ Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this is a joke right? >Probe was produced using the latest neural implant technology. As the test >subject listened to hardcore techno music (by Chicago's DJ EFEX) his mind >began producing images which were picked up by the neural receptor >implanted in his brain. The high resolution images were subsequently >recorded on videotape after the brain waves were processed into a video >signal. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 16:23:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA08130; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:23:54 -0800 Received: from hal.mobius.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA08117; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:23:50 -0800 Received: from fireball by hal.mobius.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0tu7Ml-000JFsC; Tue, 5 Mar 96 16:46 PST Message-ID: <313CDB5B.66B3@mobius.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 16:24:59 -0800 From: "W. P. Risenhoover" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Czefir@aol.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Mini Thins References: <960305185038_161073556@emout05.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Czefir@aol.com wrote: > > excuse my ignorance, but what is a mini thin? > > Czefir Ephedrine, aka adrenaline. They are potent little buggers that are legally sold over the counter to help asthma patients. Of course, somebody figured that others might want it and started "marketing" them over the counter, at gas stations, in bright purple, peppy, packages... in small quantities. If you saw that last post on the survey of ecstacy contents bought in the uk, a lot of them had ephedrine in them. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 16:26:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA05697; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:02:57 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA05681; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:02:49 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.205] (u2w36.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.205]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA15636 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:02:45 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:02:14 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Re: Re: |NER| Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >now I just caught myself writing "he" in the statement above (instead of >"the writer")..........I wonder if that was my male upbringing or the fact >that subconsiously, I believed the writer to be a male due to their use of >the word "wife"......interesting !!! I think PC has gone too far when you can't trust yourself to write something coherent and you can't trust others not to assume that you're a chauvinist male pig. -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 16:47:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA10623; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:47:31 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10614; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:47:25 -0800 Received: (from dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA06673; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:47:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:47:13 -0800 (PST) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: the Bubble Girl & a quest for honest drug dealers. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "why do words like 'love' and actions of affection get taken as a threat or promise of devotion instead of just accepted for the beauty that they have ? when you tell someone that you love them they act like you're taking away all their freedom but it's giving, it's not taking away. love and friendship don't restrict and bind those chains are only in your mind it doesn't have to be that way. people act like it's something to be ashamed of to lock away or hide behind closed doors this kind of secrecy only breeds social scheming, gossip, lies, and misunderstanding it doesn't seem that appealing to me. why do words like 'love' and actions of affection get taken as a threat or promise of devotion instead of just accepted for the beauty that they have ? why bleed all the meaning out of emotions with all kinds of weird connotations ? words will fuck us up enough by themselves." - Aaron "ravers make me want to vomit" Cometbus I've come to accept the fact that my conversationall ablities are pretty much shot whenever I go out nowadays. On a good night I may be able to point & grunt (("Sloth...Chunk....friends!..")) beyond that I'm pretty much your typical acid casuality, which suits me just fine. I think there are too many conditional relationships as it is in this world. Relationships like, "We're only gonna be friends so long as you keep giving me oral sex and you don't get fat." or "We're only gonna be friends so long as we have plesant conversations and agree with one another." or "We're only gonna be friends so long as we go to school together and see each other on a regular basis." I've been working on my unconditional relationships lately. Relationships where I don't feel like I'm obligated to entertain my friends or even make that much sense. We check up on each other, make sure we're alive, dub tapes for each other, keep each other high. It's casual like that. An unconditional relationship doesn't mean I'm gonna give you a hug tonight and expect you to treat me like your New Best Friend tomorrow. An unconditional relationship mean that if somebody means something to you, if they inspire you or make you feel special, then tell them, or show them, or give them a tape or a name or whatever you think is appropriate... ...and then go on with your life. It used to be that a guy could carry a torch or admire a girl from afar and that was considered sweet. Now you're a dick. Now everybody's a fucking stalker, everybody that is except for Sting because he's *English* and they can do no wrong. Even so, i try not to let the British bring me down. "go where you think you want to go do everything you were sent here for fire at will if you here that call touch your hand to the wall at night" Be honest in your intentions and actions, have faith in yourself and trust your instincts. Life does pay off. I really liked that Chrysalis flyer. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 16:49:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA10746; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:49:25 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA10740; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:49:21 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA15313 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:48:56 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA17058; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:48:55 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA20260; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:48:51 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:52:31 -0800 To: "W. P. Risenhoover" From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Mini Thins Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My friends consider ephedrine to be a great evil, and advise everyone against taking it. - E >Czefir@aol.com wrote: >> >> excuse my ignorance, but what is a mini thin? >> >> Czefir > >Ephedrine, aka adrenaline. They are potent little buggers that >are legally sold over the counter to help asthma patients. Of >course, somebody figured that others might want it and started >"marketing" them over the counter, at gas stations, in bright >purple, peppy, packages... in small quantities. > >If you saw that last post on the survey of ecstacy contents >bought in the uk, a lot of them had ephedrine in them. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 17:08:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA13056; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:08:43 -0800 Received: from hal.mobius.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA13042; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:08:33 -0800 Received: from fireball by hal.mobius.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0tu84T-000JFsC; Tue, 5 Mar 96 17:31 PST Message-ID: <313CE5EF.1019@mobius.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 17:10:07 -0800 From: "W. P. Risenhoover" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eric P. Peterson" CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Mini Thins References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Eric, Eric P. Peterson wrote: > > My friends consider ephedrine to be a great evil, and advise everyone > against taking it. Your friends must not be asthmatic. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 17:15:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA13683; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:15:14 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA13674; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:15:09 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (root@Island.islandnet.com [198.53.172.1]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA26902 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tu7nE-000FfwC; Tue, 5 Mar 96 17:13 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 96 17:13 PST From: solo@IslandNet.com (solo) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: liquid-herbal EnErgy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi kids.... I have a few questions...since this is a forum for ravers...and partiers and such...is it also the forum to discuss such things that sooooooooo many involve in their individual experiences? I thought I saw a string for quite a while..slamming some innocent person (of course) for discussing it...but Im gonna try anyway. Has anyone here had liquid-herbal Extasy? (sp) Some friends say a friend has concocted some..and it is exxxxxxxxtremely good. Ive tried that herbal stuff..got kinda tingly...nice buzz in tandem with the real thing..but anyway...I only heard of liquid stuff today. Ok..so...if I wasnt allowed to discuss this here..please dont flame me...just say so. Dont be rude...I am not saying we all do this or that...and Im labelling ravers as drugusers...Ive been playing music at parties since 90..so I DO know my shit. You could mail me personally if you want...I want to know about this stuff, thats all. Dont start a huuuuuuuuuge thread goin off about discussing this here...blah.blah.blah Thanx in advance...c ya soon :) ****** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully v2.0 Netscapified ****** -----> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <----- come say Hi -> telnet to mud.islandnet.com 4321 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 17:19:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA14087; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:19:52 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA14080; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:19:49 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA16451 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:19:39 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA19195; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:19:38 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA25689; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:19:35 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:23:13 -0800 To: "W. P. Risenhoover" From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Mini Thins Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Eric, > >Eric P. Peterson wrote: >> >> My friends consider ephedrine to be a great evil, and advise everyone >> against taking it. > >You're friends must not be asthmatic. Nope. I forgot to mention that they advise against using it for recreational purposes :P - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 17:34:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA15445; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:34:14 -0800 Received: from hal.mobius.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA15439; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:34:11 -0800 Received: from fireball by hal.mobius.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0tu8TG-000JFsC; Tue, 5 Mar 96 17:56 PST Message-ID: <313CEBED.5734@mobius.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 17:35:41 -0800 From: "W. P. Risenhoover" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eric P. Peterson" CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Mini Thins References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Eric P. Peterson wrote: > > >Eric, > > > >Eric P. Peterson wrote: > >> > >> My friends consider ephedrine to be a great evil, and advise everyone > >> against taking it. > > > >You're friends must not be asthmatic. > > Nope. I forgot to mention that they advise against using it for > recreational purposes :P Oh, right! Of course! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 17:43:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA16276; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:43:47 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA16210; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:43:37 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA17507 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:42:35 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA20779; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:42:34 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29160; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:42:31 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:46:09 -0800 To: solo@IslandNet.com (solo) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: liquid-herbal EnErgy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Watch out, son! Herbal e can be very hazardous to your health. The San Jose Mercury News had an article about people who had problems with some of their internal organs after taking the stuff. Wait a minute; come to think of it, those UK articles were saying the same thing about the people who died recently, didn't they? Oh, well...maybe it's all propaganda. My feeling is, go for the real deal or don't go at all. Dubious, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 18:31:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA22239; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:31:19 -0800 Received: from ucmsj.vatech.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA22211; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:31:12 -0800 From: tim744@silicon.email.net Received: (from mm@localhost) by ucmsj.vatech.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA07710 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:31:05 -0800 Received: by silicon.email.net (ucm/3.1) id AA06601.001; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:31:05 PST To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:31:05 PST Subject: Mini-thins & Herbal E Message-Id: <9603051831.S263151359@silicon.email.net> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk According to a magazine I remember reading (name of which I forgot) If you don't have asthma, don't take mini-thin due to that you can very well develope asthma, if you take them for a long period of time. About herbal E I got some just to see what it was all about. Well for 2 days after taking them (I read the label and took suggested dose) every once in a while when I took a sh%t there was blood in it. That scared the hell out of me. So the article in the paper have some truth to them about missing up your internal organs. It didn't happen because I took too much, I followed the directions on the label. So please take these little tibits of advice and stay away from them. I'm not saying this could happen to everyone who takes either one of those things, but just be careful. Just because you read the directions and follow them to the letter, doesn't mean you can't experince problems or harmfull side effects. Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 18:36:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA22811; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:36:13 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA22793; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:36:08 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id SAA22168; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:35:21 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: davidmin@crl.com Cc: zahed@sfbayguardian.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: BBC TV movie about ravers Date: 05 Mar 1996 09:47:45 GMT Message-Id: <3831230462.42340@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk around what time?................ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 19:10:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA25912; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:10:49 -0800 Received: from seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA25892; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:10:41 -0800 From: cfajar01@sccced.sccd.ctc.edu Received: from sccced.sccd.ctc.edu by seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03676; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:08:40 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail by SCCCSTU.sccced.ctc.edu id AA826082006; Tue, 05 Mar 96 19:03:22 PST Date: Tue, 05 Mar 96 19:03:22 PST Encoding: 25 Text Message-Id: <9602058260.AA826082006@SCCCSTU.sccced.ctc.edu> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Re: "Wish you were ambient music" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ...You should hear the trance remixes...... -->>pherthur--->>> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: "Wish you were ambient music" Author: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) at Internet Date: 3/4/96 1:45 PM Hey all, seeing as how this wonderful song "shine on you crazy diamond" is being discussed I was wondering if it was played outside at the FnF party in August? I have this lousy memory and can't remember if I heard it or just wish I heard it since I think it would make a great ambient song. What does everybody think? Would you dig chilling out in the ambient room and hear "shine on" come slowly blending into the music? It might catch you by surprise and you won't even realize what song it is for a while. Though I know some people would pick it up right away. Anyway I'm just now starting to learn about mixing and it seems to me like a great song to throw into an ambient set. love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 19:20:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA26937; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:20:21 -0800 Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA26929; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:20:16 -0800 From: Jeffrey_Coons@ccmail.rsco.com Received: from ccmail.rsco.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id AAA22293; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:09:51 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.rsco.com id AA826082795; Tue, 05 Mar 96 19:10:41 PST Date: Tue, 05 Mar 96 19:10:41 PST Message-Id: <9602058260.AA826082795@ccmail.rsco.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: News Article Re: "Natural X" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Enough of this mini thins/herbal X pondering, article from the boston globe follows.... -jc Copyright 1996 Globe Newspaper Company The Boston Globe February 5, 1996, Monday, City Edition SECTION: SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY; Pg. 25 HEADLINE: Ecstatic hype; As ads tout herbal pills promising euphoria, FDA probes reports of bad reactions, deaths BYLINE: By Dolores Kong, Globe Staff BODY: Herbal Ecstacy, X Tablets, Cloud 9. These sinful-sounding dietary supplements - promising to give "natural euphoric pleasures," to "electrify your senses" or to make you "X-perience a higher level" - have been creating a buzz in the Boston area. Young adults at raves, the late-night dances set to a heavy electronic rhythm, and even middle-school students are hearing about the supplements, which are sold primarily by mail order. They are being marketed as alternatives to the illegal designer drug known as Ecstasy, but those who tried both say there is no comparison. Boston-area nutrition stores, smoke shops and condom boutiques have fielded scores of requests, particularly for the aggressively marketed version called Herbal Ecstacy. But the supplements have also attracted the attention of the US Food and Drug Administration, because of reported deaths, heart attacks, strokes and other reactions among users of all kinds of pills containing the Chinese herb known as Ma huang. The FDA's food advisory committee will meet Feb. 28 to consider possible labelling requirements, dosage limits and consumer warnings for the supplements. "We have well over 300 reported adverse reactions" with at least 12 deaths linked to certain Ma huang-containing supplements, particularly one weight-loss and energy pill whose formula has since been changed, said Brad Stone, FDA spokesman. "We do have concerns about Ma huang." But Stone added that the FDA has no authority over claims made by makers of some of the "natural alternatives" to the illegal Ecstasy. "If you say something will make you feel euphoric, that's not the type of classic drug claim that we can regulate," he said. Only if a product claims to cure cancer, for instance, can the FDA require evidence of safety and effectiveness. For thousands of years, some cultures have used plants and herbs believed to have healing properties or to alter consciousness. Ma huang is one of the oldest herbs used in Chinese medicine, according to literature provided by the Herb Research Foundation in Boulder, Colo., and has been used to treat asthma, clear blocked sinuses and increase alertness and perception. Side effects, such as driving up blood pressure, have also been long known. Ma huang naturally contains an amphetamine-like stimulant called ephedrine. Lab-made ephedrine can also be found in over-the-counter medications and diet pills. To prevent the diversion of ephedrine for the illegal manufacture of methamphetamine, the US Drug Enforcement Administration last year began requiring products with even small amounts of synthetic ephedrine to register with the agency, but the requirement does not extend to Ma huang products. Concerned by marketing that focuses on providing a "natural high" and by the reports of adverse reactions, some dietary-supplement makers and New Agers have distanced themselves from products like Herbal Ecstacy, although they staved off attempts last year to ban Ma huang, also known as ephedra. The National Nutritional Foods Association, an industry liaison to the FDA advisory committee, favors labelling regulations that would stop "fringe suppliers of Ma huang products who unabashedly merchandise high-potency products as if they were 'safe, all-natural alternatives' to hallucinogenic drugs," according to a recent association newsletter. An ad hoc committee of herbalists and dietary-supplement representatives submitted scientific testimony to the FDA last year in support of the safety of Ma huang, but does not object to stricter labelling requirements, said William Appler, a member of the committee and an industry consultant. Appler also said some reports of adverse reactions to Ma huang are unsubstantiated. The negative reports don't appear to affect sales. Manufacturers of Ecstasy alternatives say millions of packets have sold worldwide, at prices ranging from $ 19.85 for a packet of 20 X Tablets to $ 32.99 for a packet of 10 Herbal Ecstacy pills. Psychedelic and suggestive ads for the products have appeared on TV, as well as in the Boston Phoenix, and in music and herbal magazines and the drug-oriented journal High Times. Spokesmen said they have gotten few, if any, reports of adverse reactions from consumers who used their products properly. Many of the complaints to the FDA have involved a weight loss and energy pill, called Nature's Nutrition Formula One, which also contained kola nut. The FDA said the combination of ephedrine and the caffeine in the kola nut can cause heart attacks and other life-threatening problems, and a year ago warned consumers against buying the product. The firm that makes Formula One has since removed the kola nut. Some adverse reactions to Herbal Ecstacy have also been reported, notably during a Lollapalooza concert in Austin, Tex., last summer. Herbal Ecstacy contains not only Tibetian Ephedra sinica, a form of Ma huang, but also a caffeine-containing herb, according to a product label. (Some similar products, such as Cloud 9, do not contain caffeine, although they list ingredients in addition to Ma huang.) "People were having palpitations and some fainting from this pill they were selling down at a booth, and it was Herbal Ecstacy," said Gary Coody, a pharmacist with the Texas Health Department's division of drugs and medical devices. "It was consistent with the effects of ephedrine - palpitations, headache, shortness of breath - and there were numerous people experiencing that. Of course, there was no way to tell what people combined it with." Coody said Texas health officials tested a recommended dosage of the product - five to 10 of the blue pills, which bear a raised "e" on one side and butterfly on the other - and found the ephedrine content to be between 50 and 100 grams, or up to four times the ephedrine contained in a recommended dose of an over-the-counter asthma medication. Robert Kessler, executive vice president for Global World Media Corporation, which says it has sold more than 10 million packets of Herbal Ecstacy, disputes Coody's contention. "We found no evidence that this happened," said Kessler. He said a Global employee who was on the Lollapalooza tour immediately went to the medical tents after hearing reports of people being treated for adverse reactions to the pills and found no problem. "Obviously, it's something we'd be very concerned about," Kessler said. "At concerts in general, there's a lot of illegal drug use that goes on. I would imagine it's not impossible that people could be using illegal drugs and if they got caught or were running into a problem, it's easier for them to point to us, and not to the marijuana, the beer or the LSD they might have taken." Kessler said his company takes no responsibility for people who fail to follow product instructions. But asked last week about the conflicting information that came with one sample of the product, he could not give the correct recommended dosage. The label on the 10-pack of pills cautions against taking more than one tablet in 72 hours, but an accompanying brochure recommends a dose of three to five tablets, and no more than 10 pills in 24 hours. Kessler attributed the conflicting information to the firm's attempts to respond to recent FDA concerns by changing the labelling. In the meanwhile, some substance abuse counsellors worry that adolescents may confuse the legally available products with the illegal Ecstasy. "It's hard to tell if they're taking the illegal or the herbal. . . . The kids really don't know what they're taking," said Matt Green, who with his mother Joan runs Sameem Associates Inc., an outpatient addictions treatment clinic in Newton. Someone who thinks he is taking the herbal product but is instead using the illegal Ecstasy could overdose, Green said. Before Ecstasy, or MDMA as it is chemically known, was banned, some psychiatrists used the lab-made drug to induce euphoria, to get patients in touch with their feelings and diminish defensiveness. Makers of some Ecstasy alternatives say they tell their distributors not to sell to anyone under 18; the maker of X Tablets includes a minimum age in its ads. But minors as young as 11 or 12 have gone to the General Nutrition Center at the Arsenal Mall in Watertown in recent weeks looking for Herbal Ecstacy - and were disappointed to discover the store did not carry it, said manager Gennaro Coscia. "They were asking for it, thinking it was a legal form of Ecstasy," Coscia said. Adolescents seeking a "legal" high may be disappointed, anyway, to discover there is no comparison between the illegal Ecstasy and the "legal" version, according to some people who have tried both or know of people who have. Neither Tim Ryan, a DJ at Axis in Boston, nor Camper English, a 24-year-old Boston resident who is into the rave scene, has tried the herbal alternatives, but say friends who have used both experienced little effect from the herbal products. Catherine, a 21-year-old Northeastern University junior who did not want to give her last name, reported the same thing. She said she used the illegal Ecstasy once, at a rave a year ago. "It's a real drug, it's mind-altering. It puts you in a state of mind of, like, total happiness, a kind of euphoric feeling, really lovey," she said. A week ago, she and a friend bought Herbal Ecstacy at a smoke shop, to help them stay up late after they had already smoked marijuana and drunk cappucino. "It's not a drug, it's herbal. It makes you alert and really talkative," she said. "They're two totally separate things." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 19:27:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA27713; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:27:30 -0800 Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA27704; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:27:24 -0800 From: Jeffrey_Coons@ccmail.rsco.com Received: from ccmail.rsco.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id AAA22328; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:16:57 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.rsco.com id AA826083220; Tue, 05 Mar 96 19:23:56 PST Date: Tue, 05 Mar 96 19:23:56 PST Message-Id: <9602058260.AA826083220@ccmail.rsco.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: and other answers (1of2).... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For all the questions and "..I think i heard about some article that was published somewhere about..." statements posted lately, here is part one of article from London's INDEPENDENT newspaper. Gives overview of substances from beer to stuff you may not have heard of. history, legality, effects, cost, etc are included. Not all the information maybe right, but its what the masses are reading none the less, for your info. just so you know. -jc part one of two. Copyright 1996 Newspaper Publishing PLC The Independent January 28, 1996, Sunday SECTION: REAL LIFE; Page 8, HEADLINE: sex, drugs and rock'n'roll: drugs a guide to their uses and abuses BYLINE: Compiled Pascal Wyse and Colette Harris BODY: alkyl nitrites poppers, rush, locker room science: a group of chemicals including amyl nitrite, butyl nitrite and isobutyl nitrite. Reduce blood pressure by enlarging the blood vessels. Medical use: amyl nitrite is an antidote to cyanide poisoning. outlaw status: amyl nitrite is a pharmacy medicine. Other forms are currently unrestricted and available in a sex shop near you. price: from pounds 5. form: clear, yellow, volatile and inflammable liquids which smell sweet when fresh and like "dirty socks" when stale. Sniffed from small bottles. highs: a "rushing" sensation, enhanced sexual pleasure, light-headedness and giggling. lows: headaches, vomiting and dermatitis. Excessive use may result in a lack of oxygen in the blood, known as methaemoglobinemia - symptoms include vomiting, cyanosis (blueness on the skin and lips), shock and unconsciousness. Acute attacks of this condition have caused deaths but this is rare and usually seen in those who have swallowed the drug rather than inhaled it. The drug passes rapidly through the body so there appear to be no long-term effects. Tolerance develops in two or three weeks of continued use. history: discovered in 1857, amyl nitrite was originally used to treat angina. It became popular with gay men in the 1960s because it relaxes the muscles, making anal sex easier. alcoholic drinks booze, jar, shot in the arm, get pissed, get hammered, get bladdered "If he tried to go to answer the telephone, the yoke, the mercury, the poisoned mass, would shift and roll and rupture the sac, and his brains would fall out. . .the beast would come popping to the surface on its own and show its filthy snout." Description of a hangover in The Bonfire of the Vanities, Tom Wolfe science: active ingredients: ethyl alcohol or ethanol (beers, wines, spirits, liqueurs); methyl alcohol (methylated spirit, meths). No medical use. outlaw status: can be bought by adults of 18 and over, drunk at home by children of five and over, licence needed for selling. price: anything from 50p (supermarket lager). highs: loss of inhibitions, increased sexual appetite (unfortunately combined with decreased sexual performance). Relaxes and animates. Some research indicates that moderate use can be good for you. lows: after the equivalent of four pints of beer, drinkers become more uncoordinated and emotional reactions are exaggerated. Increased intake can lead to double vision, loss of balance, unconsciousness. Methylated spirit is very poisonous and frequently causes blindness, coma and death from acidosis. Worst forms of physical damage include dietary deficiencies, liver and stomach disorders and brain damage. Dependency (alcoholism) can occur. history: part of everyday life in Britain for centuries. In 1495 an Act was passed giving magistrates the power to close troublesome alehouses, seen as places where political discontent was stirred up. In the First World War restricted opening hours were designed to prevent inefficiency in the war effort. amphetamines uppers, speed, sulphate, sulph, wizz, toffee, purple hearts, black bomber" Jackie was just speeding away, thought she was James Dean for a day, then I guess she had to crash, valium would have helped that dash. . ." Lou Reed, Walk on the Wild Side science: a group of drugs including amphetamine sulphate and dexamphetamine (Dexedrine). Medical use: treatment of narcolepsy (a pathological tendency to fall asleep) and hyperactivity in children. outlaw status: prescription-only medicine, which means it is illegal to supply them under any circumstance except in a pharmacy, by a pharmacist, in accordance with a doctor's prescription. Controlled drugs in Class B but if prepared for injection, Class A penalties apply. price: amphetamine sulphate is commonly available on the black market at around pounds 10-15 per gram. A typical pounds 5 "wrap" of 400-500mg powder contains 25mg amphetamine. form: white powder. Sniffed, swallowed or injected. highs: with moderate doses people feel more alert, energetic, confident and cheerful. lows: high doses, especially if frequently repeated over a few days, can produce delirium, panic, hallucination and feelings of persecution (amphetamine psychosis) which gradually disappear as the drug passes through the body. A single dose lasts about three or four hours but it can take the body a couple of days to recover from even a small dose. Psychological dependence can arise from the mood-elevating effects of synthetic stimulants. These drugs merely postpone feelings of fatigue and hunger, denying the body's needs which will reappear strongly after a "run". Tolerance develops so users increase the dose many times over. Toxic effects including delusions; hallucinations and paranoia can develop as a result. These symptoms will go away but persist for a time after drug taking has stopped, and sometimes develop into a psychotic state from which it takes a few months to recover. Heavy prolonged use leaves the user at risk from disease due to a lowered resistance from lack of nourishment. There is also a risk of damaging blood vessels and of heart failure as stimulants raise blood pressure. history: amphetamines and stimulants were exploited to increase performance of troops in the Second World War and the Vietnam War, then widely prescribed to treat depression and to suppress appetite in the 1950s and 1960s. Amphetamines were a vogue with mods in the 1960s which led to them being classified under the misuse of drugs legislation in 1964. anabolic steroids nadrolone, Stanozlol, Dianabol, Durabolin, Deca-durabolin "Have you ever wanted to walk into a club and be worshipped by the masses and take your pick of sexual partners? Then join us, for this is the reality for me and some of our friends. Join us." Quoted in Anabolic Steroid Use in Great Britain, Korkia and Stimson science: derived from the hormone testosterone. Medical use: used in the treatment of anaemia, thrombosis and to aid the recovery of weakened muscles. outlaw status: prescription-only medicine. Class C under the Misuse of Drugs Act. price: pounds 20 per 100 tablets. form: swallowed as pills or injected. A black market operates in gyms, health clubs etc. highs: athletes and trainers believe that steroids increase athletic performance, some researchers feel there is insufficient evidence of their direct involvement on the increase of muscle strength. lows: the available evidence shows an increased risk of liver and kidney malfunctions, hypertension, decreased fertility in men (and rare cases of breast development), increased sex drive and enlargement of the clitoris in women (a "high" for some, but one which goes hand-in-hand with facial and body hair, a deepening of the voice and reduction of breast size). There is still controversy over claims that steroids increase aggression, with some doctors claiming it is a placebo effect. There have been some reports of temporary confusion, depression, paranoia and sleep disorders which stop if steroid use is discontinued. history: German soldiers reputedly used steroids in the Second World War to increase aggression, the type of behaviour now termed "roid rage" in the US. barbiturates barbs; also known by the trade names Tuinal, Seconal and Nembutal science: sedatives which depress the central nervous system. Medical use: as a treatment for severe insomnia. outlaw status: prescription-only medicines. All "misuseable" barbiturates are Class B drugs. Unauthorised production, supply or possession are offences, as is providing premises for supply or production. price: variable. form: swallowed as tablets, ampoules, solutions or capsules, occasionally with alcohol; sometimes prepared for injection. highs: feeling relaxed, sociable and good-humoured. lows: unpredictable emotional reactions and mental confusion. Overdose causes death by respiratory failure. Alcohol and barbiturates can be a lethal cocktail. Risk of gangrene if injected. Withdrawal can cause seizures, low blood pressure, delirium and hallucinations. Heavy users are prone to bronchitis and pneumonia. history: manufactured in the UK since 1903 as sedatives and sleeping pills. Stolen medical supplies have been widely misused ever since. benzodiazepines tranx, tems, jellies, eggs "I now think of this time of my life as the period when I had been chemically lobotomised" Peter Ritson, author of Alive and Kicking science: a group of minor tranquillisers including diazepam (Valium), chlordiazepoxide (Librium), lorazepam (Ativan), oxazepam (Serenid), nitrazepam (Mogadon), flurazepam (Dalmane), triasolam (Halcion) and temazepam (Normison). Medical use: relieves anxiety, induces peaceful sleep. outlaw status: prescription-only Medicines Controlled drugs, Class C under the Misuse of Drugs Act but (except temazepam) legal to possess without prescription. price: between 50p and pounds 2 on the black market. form: swallowed as pills or capsules, often shades of green, yellow or blue in colour, or prepared for injection. highs: relieves anxiety; induces calmness, relaxation and mild euphoria. Some use benzodiazepines to offset the effects of Ecstacy and amphetamines. lows: in high doses can induce sleep, sometimes lasting into the following day. It is harder to fatally overdose on Benzodiazepines than barbiturates, but if mixed with alcohol the likelihood of a fatal overdose increases. Tolerance develops quickly with constant use. After two weeks, they may become ineffective as sleeping pills; after four months, ineffectual against anxiety. Dependence is probably mainly psychological and is more likely in those with a history of dependence. Generally mild symptoms of withdrawal after low-dosage use. Sudden withdrawal leads to two to three weeks of symptoms which can include insomnia, anxiety, perceptual hypersensitivity, tremors, irritability, nausea and vomiting. After high doses, there is a chance of mental confusion and a smaller chance of life-threatening convulsions. If the gel contained in some capsules is injected, it will solidify in the veins, causing gangrene and abscesses. history: first introduced in the 1960s, benzodiazepines came to replace barbiturates as sedatives and sleeping pills. cannabis pot, dope, blow, draw, smoke, puff, gear. Herbal cannabis: grass, bush, weed, herb, skunk, ganja, marijuana. Cannabis resin: hash "Hell, you don't record your first album every day. Pass me that spliff, I'm going to do all the singing dressed like Lawrence of Arabia" Julian Cope, from his autobiography Head On science: active ingredient: cannabis sativa - contains tetrahydrocannabinol. Medical use: since last September, patients can now be prescribed Dronabinol, a major active constituent of cannabis to alleviate symptoms of nausea associated with chemotherapy. The debate rages over whether it should be used to treat other medical conditions, notably multiple sclerosis (MS). outlaw status: controlled drugs with herbal cannabis and resin Class B but cannabis oil in a twilight zone between Class A and Class B; not available for medical use - except some synthetic forms; illegal to allow premises to be used for smoking cannabis. price: around pounds 15 for one eighth of an ounce, pounds 30 for a quarter. Herbal cannabis, pounds 100 per ounce (resin costs slightly more). form: smoked by itself or with tobacco, or eaten. highs: relaxation, enhanced sensory awareness, desire for snacks, less easily bored. lows: continuous use can affect short-term memory and induce paranoia. Can cause high pulse and dry mouth. Desire for more snacks. history: First recorded human use in a Chinese compendium of medicines, dated by some at 2737BC. In the 1850s, the French writers Baudelaire, Gautier and Dumas were members of "Le Club des Haschischins", recording effects of smoking cannabis. cocaine / crack coke, snow, charlie, freebase, base, rock, wash, stone "Driving that train, high on cocaine, Casey Jones you'd better watch your speed" Grateful Dead, Casey Jones "Inside the plastic bags the rocks were alive. . . they were living heads. . . no bodies. . . just heads, perfect miniature Mount Rushmores of living crack. They were all the same person. . . some were cryin'. . . some were laughin', but they were all screamin' my name" from Iced by Ray Shell. science: cocaine hydrochloride is derived from the leaves of the Andean coca shrub. Medical use: effective as a local anaesthetic but rarely prescribed. outlaw status: prescription-only medicines; Class A drugs. price: powder: pounds 40 to pounds 70 per gram; crack: pounds 10 to pounds 25 per rock. form: white powder, sniffed and occasionally injected; or small white nuggets (crack), which are burnt and inhaled. highs: feeling of omnipotence and well being, decreased hunger and a feeling of exhilaration. lows: large doses or a spree of repeated doses can lead to extreme agitation, anxiety, paranoia and perhaps hallucination. As with amphetamines, the effects generally resolve themselves as the drug passes through the body. Excessive doses can lead to respiratory or heart failure death but this is rare. Cocaine is likely to be adulterated with substances, causing harm if injected. No tolerance develops but there can be a psychological dependence. With frequent use increasingly unpleasant symptoms including nausea, insomnia and hyperexcitability can occur, eventually leading to a state of mind similar to paranoid psychosis. These symptoms usually clear up once use is discontinued. Repeated sniffing damages the nose; repeated smoking causes respiratory problems; injecting carries the usual risks: abscesses, HIV (if needles are shared) etc. The effect of crack is more intense; tolerance is more likely to develop. history: coca leaves were chewed by the Incas hundreds of years ago. Introduced in to Europe and America in the 19th century, cocaine was marketed as an effective remedy for hay fever, allergies and sinusitis because it shrank the nasal membranes. In the 1880s Coca Cola, which originally contained cocaine, was marketed as a temperance drink and brain tonic. Freud's 1884 essay "Uber Coca" advocated its use as a stimulant, local anaesthetic, and treatment for syphilis, hysteria and asthma. He also thought it was an aphrodisiac. Although it sometimes produces spontaneous orgasm in the user with the first rush, long-term effects include impotence in men and a difficulty in achieving orgasm for women. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 19:34:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA28789; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:34:27 -0800 Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA28780; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:34:20 -0800 From: Jeffrey_Coons@ccmail.rsco.com Received: from ccmail.rsco.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id AAA22365; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:23:52 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.rsco.com id AA826083635; Tue, 05 Mar 96 19:27:10 PST Date: Tue, 05 Mar 96 19:27:10 PST Message-Id: <9602058260.AA826083635@ccmail.rsco.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: and other answers (2 of 2) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk part two of two, continues.... ecstasy ecstasy, e, love doves, disco biscuits, pink cadillac, Dennis the Menace "Eezagoode, eezagoode, he's Ebaneeza Goode" The Shamen science: active ingredient: MDMA, a member of the MDA family. Classed as an hallucinogenic amphetamine - a group of drugs combining the effects of amphetamine and LSD. Medical use: none. outlaw status: Class A controlled drugs. Anyone wanting to use it for research has to apply for a licence from the Home Office. price: pounds 8-15 per tablet. form: swallowed as tablets or capsules. highs: euphoric rush, feelings of calmness and serenity. Users experience a greater feeling of connection and empathy towards others, heightened perception and occasionally hallucinations. lows: nausea, dry mouth and rise in blood pressure on taking. Afterwards there may be feelings of fatigue and depression. High doses over a long period of time can produce anxiety, panic, confusion, insomnia and possibly psychosis - all of which stop once the drug is stopped. Around 50 deaths have been directly associated with the drug since 1988. Most of those who have died have exhibited symptoms connected to heatstroke. It is thought that the cumulative effects of MDMA (which as a stimulant makes it possible to dance for long periods of time without feeling exhausted) and dancing in hot, sweaty night-clubs have caused this. Clubs have been exploiting this by charging for water, but some local authorities have put a stop to this. Paradoxically, a few deaths (about 3) have been attributed to drinking excessive amounts of water while taking the drug. There is some evidence to suggest that ecstacy triggers the body's release of anti-diuretic hormones, which limit the effectiveness of the kidneys at processing fluids. An excess of fluid in the body dilutes the blood and swells the brain, crushing it against the skull. Water is not antidote to ecstacy, it is an antidote to dancing. Given the widespread use of E, however, it is still unclear as to why certain individuals have died, even if the actual cause is known. Some people have responded to the stimulant aspect of the drug with very high blood pressure causing heart attack or brain haemorrhage. The current advice for users of ecstacy is: if dancing, drink one pint of water per hour; take regular rests from dancing; eat some salty foods and drink fruit juice for minerals. Drinking water will not counteract the ill effects of ecstacy. history: MDMA was first synthesised in 1912 but no medical or commercial uses were found for it until American marital therapists discovered its potential for encouraging feelings of empathy between clients and diffusing hostility. Once it leaked into the general population it was banned in the USA in 1985, though is apparently still used by some Swiss psychotherapists. Became very popular among ravers in the Eighties. ghb gbh, liquid e, liquid x science: proper name: gammahydroxybutyrate or sodium oxybate. Medical use: an anaesthetic acting more as a sedative than a pain-killer. outlaw status: not controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act, so possession not an offence. Classified as a medicine so unauthorised manufacture and distribution could be an offence under the Medicines Act, but the drug can be legally imported for personal use only. price: pounds 5 for a capful, pounds 10-15 for a bottle. form: colourless, odourless liquid with a slightly salty taste. highs: some users have likened the effect to ecstasy. Like alcohol, small doses will break down social inhibitions and increase sex drive. lows: large doses have led to nausea, vomiting, disorientation, convulsions and respiratory collapse. Recovery, however, has been rapid. history: developed in the USA as a premedication to promote sleep before surgery. ketamine special k science: anaesthetic with analgesic and psychedelic properties. Medical uses: an animal tranquilliser. outlaw status: not controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act so possession is not a criminal offence. It is a prescription-only medicine, so unauthorised supply is illegal. price: pounds 6 to pounds 25 for a "wrap" of powder. form: appears as a liquid in its pharmaceutical state, but can be found as a powder, pills or preparation for smoking. highs: key experience is one of disassociation; users say they take on a different point of view, outside of the body and self. Can include hallucinations, synaesthesia ("seeing" sounds and "hearing" colours), euphoria, confusion and the out-of-body floating experiences, which seem specific to ketamine. Popular in dance communities that have embraced ecstasy. lows: because it's an anaesthetic, eating or drinking before taking it can cause vomiting. Temporary paralysis has been reported but is rare. Because it's an anaesthetic with painkilling properties, people under its influence might not realise if they injure themselves. history: used in emergency surgery in the Vietnam War because it causes muscle rigidity: the patient cannot move. khat qat, qaadka"We want our hits here and then. This Third World chewing deal is too time-consuming" Western drug user. science: proper name: catha edulis, a green leafy plant found throughout eastern Africa and the Arabian peninsula. Active ingredients: cathinone and cathine. Medical uses: see History, below. outlaw status: the plant itself is not controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act , but the active ingredients, cathinone and cathine, are Class C drugs. Cathinone may not be lawfuly possessed, supplied etc without licence for research, though cathine may be prescribed. price: variable. form: fresh plant leaves (the active ingredients deteriorate two days after harvest) which are chewed. highs: mild euphoria and talkativeness, similar to a moderate dose of amphetamine. lows: inflammation of the mouth and oral cavity. Prolonged use brings risk of cancer, depression, anxiety and possibly psychosis. history: Alexander the Great used it to treat his soldiers for an unknown "epidemic disease". In the Harar region of Ethiopia it is widely believed to effect 501 cures, the number of which equals the numerical value of its Arabic name: ga-a-t (400+100+1). Has been used by the Muslim cultures of Somalia and Yemen for centuries. In modern times, it is so important a commodity that its daily export to Aden lay behind the founding of Ethiopian Airlines. lsd tabs, acid, trips, om, strawberry, other names relating to the designs of the tabs"Turn on, tune in and drop out" Timothy Leary science: proper name: lysergic acid diethylamide and lysergide. Medical uses: none. outlaw status: controlled drugs; LSD not available for medical use. price: pounds 1.50 to pounds 3 per tab (UK average). form: LSD itself is a white powder, but the tiny amounts needed for a trip are usually mixed with other substances and made into tablets. In solution it can be absorbed on paper, gelatin sheets or sugar cubes. highs: fascinating auditory and visual hallucinations. lows: the bad trip is about the only danger, but as the LSD experience is more open to the user's intentions and the suggestions of others, friendly reassurance can be an effective antidote. Suicides or deaths due to LSD- induced beliefs or perceptions are rare, though much publicised. There has only been one case of fatal overdose reported in relevant literature and this might have been due to a combination of circumstances. There are no known physical dangers associated with long-term LSD use. There is no reliable evidence that LSD causes brain damage or harms future children. Prolonged and serious adverse reactions are rare, but generally occur among individuals with latent or existing mental illness after repeated use. A substantial minority of LSD users report occasional flashbacks which can lead to disorientation, distress and anxiety but are rarely dangerous. There is no physical dependence. Tolerance develops so fast that after three or four days of repeated use the user has to stop for a while or no effect occurs. LSD users can become psychologically dependent. It is sometimes said that taking vitamin C along with LSD stops any bad side effects. There's no evidence to support this theory but vitamin C could help the body get rid of the drug more quickly by acting as a diuretic. history: first produced in 1938, its discoverer underwent the first LSD trip in 1943. In the 1950s and 1960s it was put to use in psychotherapy to assist in recovering repressed thoughts and there was military interest in it as a way of disabling enemy forces. Among fringe and hippie groups it was seen as a way of opening the mind to transcendental experiences. It was determined Class A under the 1973 Misuse of Drugs Act. magic mushrooms mushiesscience: proper name: psilocybe semilanceata. Active ingredient: psilobycin and psilocin (Liberty Cap), amanita muscaria (Fly Agaric). Medical uses: none. outlaw status: Liberty Cap may be controlled drug if prepared for use, otherwise unrestricted. The drugs they contain are usually Class A, so even crushing the mushrooms can be regarded by some courts as an intention to use the drug. price: free if you can find them. form: swallowed raw, cooked, or brewed into a drink often after drying. Liberty Caps grow wild in many parts of the UK in autumn. highs: euphoria and hilarity, hallucinations, lots of giggling. lows: at high doses visual distortions progress to vivid pseudohallucinations of colour and movement, often accompanied by nausea, vomiting and stomach pains. Greatest danger lies in the possibility of picking poisonous mushrooms by mistake. Eating varieties such as Amanita Phalloides or Amanita Virosa can lead to death from only very small amounts. It would take huge amounts of magic mushrooms to cause death. No serious long-lasting effects have so far been reported, though no study as yet exists. history: the Aztecs, the shamans of North-east Asia and Siberia and a host of other ancient tribes used hallucinogenic plants as a means of gaining access to the spirit world, and divining the future. The upsurge of popularity in the UK during the 1970s was probably something to do with people wanting an "organic" alternative to LSD. opiates junk, skag, H, smack, dike (for dipipanone)"They can get it out of your body, but they can't get it out of your mind" Charlie Parker, jazz musician, 1946 "Thou hast the keys of paradise, oh just, subtle and mighty opium!" Thomas De Quincey, Confessions of an English Opium Eater science: group of drugs derived from the opium poppy including heroin, morphine, dipipanone, pethidine and dextropropoxyphene. Methadone is a synthetic opiate. Medical use: pain relief, cough suppression and as anti- diarrhoea agent. Synthetic opiates, such as methadone, are used to treat opiate dependence. outlaw status: prescription-only medicines. All are controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act, although dilutions of codeine, morphine or opium appear in some over-the-counter drugs such as Phensedyl, Kaodene, Gee's Linctus, J Collis Browne's mixture and kaolin & morphine. price: heroin, pounds 50 to pounds 90 per gram. form: opiate powders are swallowed or dissolved in water and injected. Opium itself is the dried "milk" of the opium poppy, which contains morphine and codeine and is eaten or smoked. Heroin, as fluffy white powder, is quite easily distilled from morphine. highs: euphoria, depression of the nervous system, feeling of warmth, detachment from pain and anxiety. lows: high doses lead to sedation and drowsiness. Excessive doses produce stupor and coma. Death from respiratory failure is possible but far more likely if other drugs have been used at the same time, there has been a loss of tolerance, or the drug is unexpectedly potent. There can be fatal reactions to injected impurities. Tolerance develops to opiates in a way that requires the user to up the dose and / or change the method of taking them in order to get the same rush. There comes a point when the sensation can't be maintained and the drug has to be taken just to get a feeling of normality. Intravenous injection maximises the effects so as money runs short and cravings increase, people tend to move on from smoking heroin to injecting it. Fatal overdose can happen when opiate users take their usual dose after a break, during which tolerance has faded. Physical effects of long-term opiate use include respiratory complaints, constipation and irregular menstrual periods, with chronic sedation occurring at higher doses. Because opiates in themselves are relatively safe drugs, long-term health risks tend to be associated with the process of injecting: the injection of impurities (which contribute to respiratory disease), skin lesions and tetanus (with injection under the skin) Sharing needles puts the users at increased risk from the HIV virus which causes AIDS. Repeated heroin sniffing can damage the nose. Decreased appetite and apathy can encourage disease caused by poor nutrition. history: Opium became popular in England in the 18th century, when it appeared in many patent medicines, notably "Dover's Powders". After the First World War, Britain implemented an international agreement prohibiting the non-medical use of opium and opiates but never denied they could be prescribed to anyone who couldn't cope without the drug. By 1968 only a few specialist clinics were authorised to dispense heroin. solvents and gases nose-bag, stick-up, spray science: active ingredients: toluene (glue), acetone (glue), butane (lighter fuel), fluorocarbons (aerosols), trichloroethylene (cleaning fluid), trichloroethane (cleaning fluid). Medical uses: none. outlaw status: illegal to sell knowingly for inhalation. In Scotland, misusers may be taken into care. price: from pounds 1.30. form: gases, fluids, glues usually with strong smells. Inhaled as vapours or gases through nose / mouth. highs: hallucinations, euphoria and laughter. lows: breathing and heart rate are depressed so repeated or deep inhalation can result in disorientation, loss of control and unconsciousness; but recovery is usually quick, with no lasting damage. Drowsiness and a "hangover" often occur. Death can happen due to accidents or injury because of "drunkenness", and there are risks of choking on vomit if user becomes unconscious. Some products sensitise the heart to the effects of exertion or excitement and can cause heart failure. Gases squirted through the mouth can result in suffocation, as can sniffing glue from a plastic bag placed over the head (but this is due to the plastic bag cutting off air supply). Heavy solvent misuse can result in moderate, lasting brain function damage, especially affecting control of movement. Chronic misuse of aerosols and cleaning fluid has led to lasting kidney and liver damage, and sniffing leaded petrol can lead to lead poisoning. However lasting damage attributable to solvent misuse seems very rare. history: chloroform and ether parties were held in the 1800s when research was first being carried out into anaesthetics, but the vogue died out. tobacco fags, ciggies, tabs etc "We tried another cigarette, and by then - perhaps instinctively - I sussed how to handle it. I was getting a hit from the stuff! I really toked on that second fag" Iain Banks, Complicity science: processed mainly in the US from plants. Contains tar and nicotine. outlaw status: illegal to sell to children under 16. Otherwise unrestricted. price: pounds 2.90 for 20 cigarettes form: smoked as cigarettes, cigars or in a pipe. Chewed and sniffed (snuff). highs: feeling of relief from craving often interpreted as stress relief by smokers. Something to do with your hands. lows: in the long term, tobacco increases the risk of heart disease, blood clots, heart attacks, lung infections, strokes, bronchitis, lung cancer, cancer of the mouth and throat, and ulcers. Risk of irreversible lung damage increases the more cigarettes someone smokes over a long period of time. If no irreversible effects have occurred and a smoker stops smoking, the lungs begin to clear themselves and the person can regain normal health. Smokers who stop can experience restlessness, irritability and cravings. history: became popular in England during the 16th and 17th centuries. But fears of lung damage and the effects of passive smoking caused King James I himself to write "Counterblaste Against Tobacco" in 1604. However, by 1625, the tax revenue encouraged even the king to accept its widespread use. WHERE TO GET HELP National Drugs Helpline: 0800 77 66 00. Open every day, 24 hours. All calls are free. National Aids Helpline: 0800 567123. Open every day, 24 hours. All calls are free. Narcotics Anonymous: 0171 272 9040. Helpline and self-help groups. Alcoholics Anonymous: 0171 352 3001; 01904 644 026/7/8/9. Helpline and self-help groups. Cocaine Anonymous: 0171 284 1123. Helpline and self-help groups. Adfam: 0171 638 3700 (for the families and friends of drug users). Families Anonymous: 0171 498 4680 (for the families and friends of drug users). Parent Line: 01268 757077 (for families and friends of drug users). Resolve: 01785 817885 (helpline for those concerned about solvent abuse). Release: 0171 729 9904; 0171 603 8654 (outside office hours). Release is a voluntary organisation set up to help people with drug problems and From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 19:48:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA00348; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:48:40 -0800 Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA00327; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:48:33 -0800 From: Jeffrey_Coons@ccmail.rsco.com Received: from ccmail.rsco.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id AAA22500; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:38:05 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.rsco.com id AA826084483; Tue, 05 Mar 96 19:42:52 PST Date: Tue, 05 Mar 96 19:42:52 PST Message-Id: <9602058260.AA826084483@ccmail.rsco.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: 4 useful news articles Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Four articles follow that might be useful to recent discusions here: 1) Guardian (london newspaper) on the overreaction in the press of two highly publicized seemingly "E" realted deaths. 2) Same author looks at what is in the tabs purchsed around london, some harmless, some harmful. 3) Journal of American Medicine re: Jaundice and E diagnosis 4) Therapists who use E with patients. Seems British press publish much more than the US press on this issue. Enjoy. -jc Copyright 1996 Guardian Newspapers Limited The Guardian January 26, 1996 SECTION: THE GUARDIAN FEATURES PAGE; Pg. T2 HEADLINE: SORTED OR DISTORTED? The media has demonised Ecstasy and turned Leah Betts into a sacrificial victim, but does such emotive coverage alienate users of the drug? Alix Sharkey argues that the real issues are being blurred BYLINE: Alix Sharkey IN THESE unstable times, there is a comforting reliability about the British media's reaction to Ecstasy. The latest wave of fear and loathing began in October last year, when 17-year-old Daniel Ashton died after taking a tablet in a Blackpool nightclub. A week later, two young men went on trial in Buckinghamshire, accused of supplying the drug in September 1994 to a sixth-former who had subsequently died (they were acquitted). These events provided the tabloids, then struggling to milk the Fred West case for more salacious details, with an excuse to run their usual glut of dated horror stories. Their predictability was epitomised by the now-defunct Today, which devoted a week of front pages to The Evils of Ecstasy, complete with double-page centre spreads under lurid headlines like: 'Clare was in a coma, her body bloated and bleeding. What had happened to our lovely daughter?' (The answer, which Today omitted, was that Clare Leighton had died of an extremely rare allergic reaction to the drug - in 1989.) The clamour grew. Ecstasy was our worst nightmare, a child-killing drug, available on every street corner. Within a month, this grotesque carnival seemed to generate its own sacrificial victim. Leah Betts, an Essex schoolgirl, fell into a coma after taking one tablet on her 18th birthday, and never recovered. Betts's death generated an avalanche of emotive but essentially uninformative copy. But few, if any, questioned the cultural assumptions implicit in the reporting of this event. Nobody asked whether the death would have received such widespread attention had it not involved a pretty, white, teenage girl. By contrast, the death of 18-year-old Andreas Bouzis two weeks ago at a rave in south London went almost unnoticed. Leah Betts's death was undoubtedly a shocking and tragic event, made all the more disturbing by the fact that her policeman father had been in the Drug Squad and her stepmother, a nurse, had worked in drugs counselling. More than anything, it illustrated our lack of a cohesive, flexible social policy towards drugs. There exists a largely manufactured consensus that drugs are 'evil', those who sell them are 'monsters', those who take them are 'victims'. When drugs cannot be considered outside this simplistic rhetorical context, meaningful debate is impossible. Even factual TV programmes now take their editorial lead from such reporting. During the past month, the BBC documentary slot Public Eye has been calling independent TV production companies, asking if they can make a two-parter on the dangers of Ecstasy. Panorama also started research this month on an Ecstasy programme, but decided to shelve it 'until the waters are a little less muddy', according to one producer. And next Monday, Granada TV will broadcast a World In Action special called Sorted. Producer Sarah Mainwaring-White says her film 'follows Leah Betts's parents on a journey, where they make interesting discoveries about Ecstasy'. She says the Bettses wanted to make more information about the drug available. But it seems that while the focus will be on the drug's dangers, the programme will not address the specific cause of Leah's death. This has been the subject of conjecture since a report in the Times on November 22, stating that death was due not to the effects of Ecstasy, but to water intoxication. Autopsy results will not be made public until the inquest on January 31, two days after the programme is broadcast. However, if the Times report were unfounded, or there were evidence to the contrary, one might have expected the Bettses to want such information made public immediately. So how dangerous is MDMA (short for Methylene-dioxy-methyl-amphetamine, the pharmaceutical term for Ecstasy)? Dr Karl Jansen, an eminent psychiatrist and neuro-pharmacologist, was interviewed by the Bettses for Sorted. He feels the risks associated with Ecstasy consumption, while not to be ignored, have been greatly overstated in recent media coverage. The risk of death from MDMA, Dr Jansen says, can be computed by taking the number of deaths due to the drug, divided by the number of times it is consumed. Official figures up to 1994, plus deaths reported in the media during 1995, give a total of 60 deaths since 1987. Even the most conservative estimates put consumption at a million doses per week, a level that has probably remained steady since 1992. Dr Jansen thus evaluates the risk of death at one in 6.8 million. A clinical pharmacologist would not consider such a statistic to imply that MDMA is a particularly dangerous drug, Dr Jansen says, since in the US alone, deaths from internal bleeding due to the consumption of aspirin in ordinary doses average around 750 per year. 'Amphetamine or speed, about which there has been very little in the media recently, kills at least eight times more young persons per year than MDMA, in the same rave party context.' Dr Jansen points out that the probability of death while on a Swiss skiing holiday is 'at least five times higher than the probability of dying following the consumption of MDMA'. furore of the past few months, there has been no mention in the media that the leading cause of death in the UK among persons aged 14 to 24 is car accidents involving the consumption of alcohol. Nor that 70 per cent of all drug-related deaths are due to smoking, 25 per cent are due to alcohol, 3 per cent are due to heroin and related compounds, and only a very tiny fraction of the remainder are related in any way to the use of MDMA. Dr Jansen concludes that 'the scientific truth . . . is that the overwhelming majority of MDMA doses consumed is unlikely to have adverse, life-threatening effects'. The genesis of the World In Action programme illustrates current trends in media coverage. Following Leah's death, her parents, Paul and Janet Betts, were interviewed by Richard and Judy on This Morning, Granada TV's news digest and chat show. At about the same time, Paul Delaney, director of advertising firm Knight Leach Delaney, was approached by a media consultant offering free billboard space for a campaign of his choice. There was no doubt in his mind about the subject he would choose. 'I'm not in the business of drugs education, but I have kids of that age, and I think they and their peers should know that taking Ecstasy is dangerous.' The poster featured the by now familiar picture of a smiling Leah, on a black background, with the word 'Sorted' in large white caps underneath. Below this was the legend 'Just one Ecstasy tablet killed Leah Betts'. Following their appearance on This Morning, the Bettses were approached by programme executives and asked if they would like to make an educational video for schools. They agreed, and the result was Sorted - Leah Betts: Just An Ordinary Kid. The 16-minute video, which was filmed, edited and packaged in only 10 days, features interviews with her parents, siblings and Leah's best friend - with whom she purchased the Ecstasy - and goes on to re -enact her last day. It includes home video footage of Leah at a birthday party, footage of her funeral service and interviews with the police and the doctors who treated her. The film ends with 'a roll-call of other youngsters who have died after taking Ecstasy'. Granada, along with the Bettses, decided to try to get the video into every secondary school in the UK before the Christmas holidays - and the party season. This prompted an unprecedented reaction. 'We mailed out 8,000 copies to schools,' says Granada journalist Joanna Hartley, 'including a letter from the Bettses, a letter from Richard and Judy, and a questionnaire. We've had something like 15,000 replies.' Granada estimates that up to 500,000 secondary schoolchildren have seen the video. Following requests from police, parents and youth organisations, the video was made available to the public via mail order. It has since sold a further 3,500 copies, making nearly 12,000 copies in circulation. But does it address the relative dangers of Ecstasy and other drugs, or contain educational material? 'No,' Hartley says, 'it's just Leah's story.' The Sorted title was chosen to tie in with Knight Leach Delaney's billboard campaign: KLD gladly gave permission and contributed free artwork for the video's cover. Paul Delaney dismisses the suggestion that, instead of highlighting the dangers of Ecstasy, he might have directed his campaign at government inaction. 'Nothing's going to make this government do anything about it, or the Labour Party for that matter. It's a vote loser, so they won't even discuss it.' Delaney seems to be right in this respect, and his efforts, along with those of the Granada team and the Bettses, to counter the perceived Ecstasy menace are clearly motivated by genuine concern for the safety of young people. Sorted is a heart-felt response to the public's general feeling of helplessness and outrage at the Government's reluctance to address the Ecstasy issue, much less develop a cohesive policy. There are signs of progress - the Home Office has invited leading academics to Queen Anne's Gate on February 5 'to consider the dangers of taking Ecstasy, evaluate its toxicity and discuss harm-reducing measures'. But the deeply unpopular and unpalatable truth appears to be this: Ecstasy is not nearly as dangerous as the public has been led to believe. Despite years of hype and hysteria, young people know this, and that is why they continue to take it and why attempts to intimidate them are ultimately misguided. The underlying message of the Sorted campaign is a version of the 1980s 'Just Say No' campaign, now widely discredited among drugs counsellors. As Mike Linnel, of Manchester's drug information charity Lifeline, puts it: 'The 'Just Say No' line is about as effective as spitting in the wind. The hypocrisy is obvious and breeds contempt among the young.' There is undoubtedly a serious problem concerning Ecstasy and young people in this country. But the question is not one of individual risk, but the effectiveness, or otherwise, of continuing to define the problem solely in terms of criminality and, by extension, morality. It is a matter of whether we address drugs education by shutting down our children's minds, or opening our own. If our elected representatives are failing us - and all sides seem to agree on this point at least - surely we should concentrate on shaming the politicians, rather than frightening our kids. It's time we picked on someone our own size. Copyright 1996 Guardian Newspapers Limited The Guardian January 26, 1996 SECTION: THE GUARDIAN FEATURES PAGE; Pg. T2 HEADLINE: E OR NOT E: WHAT'S REALLY IN THOSE TABLETS? The media has demonised Ecstasy and turned Leah Betts into a sacrificial victim, but does such emotive coverage alienate users of the drug? Alix Sharkey demonstrates that Ecstasy has in any case now been replaced by potentially more dangerouscompounds BYLINE: Alix Sharkey THE IRONY about the media obsession with the dangers of Ecstasy is that hardly anyone is actually taking the real thing. When Ecstasy first started to be sold in raves, buyers were almost certain to get pure MDMA, or Ecstasy as it became known in the early 1980s. But as the sample shows, the chances of finding pure MDMA on sale in British clubs are now virtually nil. Of the 14 tablets purchased in clubs around Britain at the end of last year and analysed for the Guardian, only five contained any MDMA at all, and none had enough for a psychoactive dose (around 120-130 mg). Most contained a chemical 'cousin', MDEA, which is easier and cheaper to synthesise. MDMA and MDEA are both classified by law as 'Ecstasy compounds', and as such are Class A drugs, as is their 'parent', MDA. This is also sometimes sold as 'Ecstasy'. Although MDEA is just as effective in creating an initial euphoric 'rush', it lacks the 'warmth' of MDMA and does not generate the feelings of 'empathy' associated with Ecstasy. Most disturbing of all were the two tablets that contained Ketamine, a tranquilliser and anaesthetic which can produce horrific hallucinations, loss of feeling and movement in the limbs, and even coma. As the table shows, there is no way of telling such a tablet from one containing MDEA. Birmingham police this month seized contaminated E tablets 'said to contain tranquillisers and stimulants'. Almost certainly, these contained the same mix of ketamine (tranquilliser), ephedrine and procaine (both stimulants). Tablet type Price and location Contents 'Dollar', off-white circular tablet pounds 15, Newcastle MBDB 135 mg 'Crown', white octagonal tablet pounds 12, Birmingham MDEA 155 mg 'Dollar', white circular table pounds 10, Brighton MBDB 130 mg 'Dove', off-white circular tablet pounds 10, Manchester MDEA 132 mg, plus MDMA 5 mg 'Crown', white octagonal tablet pounds 10, London West End MDEA 153 mg 'Barney Rubble', speckled pinkish tablet pounds 10, London West End MDEA 129 mg 'Happy', off-white tablet pounds 10, London West End MDEA 50 mg plus MDMA 40 mg 'Dove', large white tablet pounds 12, Penzance Ketamine,ephedrine and procaine 'Dove', grey tablet pounds 10, Bury MDEA 133 mg 'Dove', grey tablet pounds 10, Southend MDEA 123 mg, plus MDMA 6 mg 'Dove', grey table pounds 10, Stanford-le-Hope MDEA 122 mg 'Dove', large white tablet pounds 10, Leeds Ketamine, ephedrine and procaine 'Rhubarb and Custard', yellow-red capsule pounds 12, West London MDMA 85 mg, with unidentified filler 220 mg 'Strawberry', clear capsule with pink powder pounds 10, London West End MDMA 53 mg, with unidentified filler 157 mg LOAD-DATE: January 26, 1996 Copyright 1995 Information Access Company, a Thomson Corporation Company ` Copyright 1995 American Medical Association JAMA, The Journal of the American Medical Association December 27, 1995 SECTION: Vol. 274 ; No. 24 ; Pg. 1896H; ISSN: 0098-7484 HEADLINE: Hair analysis in the diagnosis of toxic hepatitis after drug abuse with 'ecstacy.' Dtsch Med Wochenschr 1995;120:1165-1168; Abstract BYLINE: Skopp, G. History and clinical findings: A young man, aged 18 years, was admitted to the hospital for suspected hepatitis, having developed increasing jaundice without any pain. His urine was light brown in colour and the stools often liquid and pale. Every 14 days for the last 4 months he had been taking 2 tablets of "ecstacy" (methylenedioxymetamfetamine MDMA ). Physical examination was unremarkable and the patient was in good general condition. Tests: The activities of GOT, GPT and alkaline phosphatase were raised (to 903, 744 and 270 U/l, respectively) as was the bilirubin concentration (16.8 mg/dl). Tests were negative for leptospira and the viruses of mumps, HI, variceDa zoster, picorna, cytomegaly, coxsackie and hepatitis A, B and C. Ultrasound revealed hepatomegaly, with a normal echo pattern. Hair analysis demonstrated, in two different hair segments (0-2 cm and 2 4 cm, respectively) both MDMA (6.4 and 4.3 mu g/g hair) and its metabolite MDA (0.7 and 5.0 mu g/g hair). Treatment and course: No specific treatment was required. After intake of the drug had been stopped the transferase activities and bilirubin concentration became essentially normal. Conclusion: Hair analysis can be valuable in confirming "ecstacy" abuse, especially when it is denied, and thus contribute to clarifying the cause of toxic hepatitis. (1995-120:1165-1168) G. Skopp et al, Institut mr Rechtsmedizin, Klinikum der Universitat, Voss Str 2, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany. Copyright 1995 The Sunday Telegraph Limited Sunday Telegraph November 19, 1995, Sunday SECTION: Pg. 24 HEADLINE: FOCUS - THE DRUG CULTURE: The other side of the tablet: an 'effective' medical tool Rachel Sylvester considers claims that the drug is 'penicillin for the soul' BYLINE: By RACHEL SYLVESTER ECSTASY is not just a recreational drug. Rick Doblin, of the American Multi-disciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies, believes it could be "a very effective medical tool". American researchers are pioneering MDMA as a possible treatment for cancer patients - the drug cannot cure them of the sickness but it can at least alleviate the symptoms. Doctors believe Ecstasy could be a better painkiller than morphine, because it leaves users in charge of all their faculties. There are suggestions that Ecstasy may also emerge as a possible treatment for depression, and even Alzheimer's disease: new research has found that it has exactly the opposite effect to the disease on the brain. The US Food and Drug Administration has given a licence to Dr Charles Grob, of the Harbor-UCLA Medical Centre in California, to administer Ecstasy to humans in order to find out exactly how safe it is. Ecstasy's supporters claim that the drug is a useful tool in psychotherapy. When it was first circulated, therapists described it as "penicillin for the soul". "It helps people who have buried emotions which are difficult to deal with," said Mr Doblin. "They become more able to express their feelings." There are reported to be therapists in America,Denmark and Germany who risk their licences by using the drug in sessions. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 19:52:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA00749; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:52:48 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA00740; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:52:43 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (root@Island.islandnet.com [198.53.172.1]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA27039 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from 198.53.172.67 by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tuAGU-000Fe6C; Tue, 5 Mar 96 19:51 PST Message-ID: <313C9BCC.47AE@islandnet.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 19:53:48 +0000 From: "Will E. Reburn" Reply-To: solo@islandnet.com Organization: .com communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: San Francisco Raves Mailing List Subject: Derrick May on Saturday Mar 9th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi kids... Just a reminder and an invitation for y'all to come and see Derrick May and Stacey Along with (me) bill.e Brent Carmichael Tyger Dhula and J Boatman spin in a nice rom :) (ie not a bar :) snicker snicker.... adv $10 at door $15 late-early. visuals by Ron Meuse...the laser kingpin... fluids by Warp 9 Its gonna be aaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwesome :) If anyone makes it out...be sure to come up and say Hi and tell me how annoying it is for me to post this every other day :) Well 4 more days to go...so......hehehehehehehehe Not many tix left...hope you can come...if you ARE gonna come from outta town...let me know!!!!!! We are setting up an advance ticket price for out of towners..but you must hook up with me first! -- ** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully Netscapified ** --> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <-- (8 dj's/musicians/web-masters & mistress'/h@c/ Subject: Re: Come-Unity 5 year anniversary To: ameba cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <313A392F.7DF@netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk is this gonna be 21+??On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, ameba wrote: > This Wednesday March 6: > > COME-UNITY FIVE YEAR ANNIVERSARY PARTY! > > Djs: Garth Jeno Simon > > Live: Astral Matrix > > Chill Out with Jason & Special Guest > > 1015 Folsom -10PM -241 8815 > > see you there:) > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 20:54:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA06328; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:54:54 -0800 Received: from webe.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA06299; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:54:45 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by webe.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA19090; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:54:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:54:39 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603060454.UAA19090@webe.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: full moon party.....gateway... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi kids, just waking up and boy are my hands beat up, and my shoulders are sore, but boy was it worth it........killer party till 9am this morning............great location under a freeway overpass, and Dj. Galen was the SHIT !!!!........every once in a blue moon...... a DJ blows me away with a magnificent set of mind fuck music.......truly impressive.......this kid has major talent...........thank you thank you thank you.......and I just wanted to thank the gateway people (too long to list)......for inviting me.......I had a great time sloshing around in the muddy DJ booth...........a good time was had by all, (all that came that is)........a tad bit windy, and a might nippy, but that location should go off in the summer.....when it's much drier..............moonpup.....say no more of course pushing the truck out of the mud wasn't a lot of fun......especially after dragging those Bass bins and amp-rack through hill and dale.........but it goes to show you that positive mental telepathy can go along way.....(with a little muscle thrown in)...................but it's all in the spirit of Full Moon......... P.s. -I heard a rumor that wicked also did a full moon last nite......does anyone know ...is that true......and if so, how was it...........?????? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 21:01:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA06865; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:01:32 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA06860; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:01:30 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id VAA26032; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:01:24 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA24382; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:01:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: Re: headphone question To: Chris Chervin cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603042125.NAA20742@ix15.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I got my brother, Brad ( of Mother EArth Sound System,formerly of Sf, currently spins LA) a nice pair of Audio Technicas-they were about 75.00. They have a good support joint where it plugs in, so the wires don't get exposed, and the sound is good, too.On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Chris Chervin wrote: > Hey all, > > Does anybody have suggestions on good headphones for Dj's in the 60-100 > dollar price range? Is it something to take seriously or does any high > priced set work fine? Thanks in advance. > > love chris > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 21:31:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA09645; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:31:42 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA09635; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:31:39 -0800 Received: from [128.32.160.40] (hmfmac2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.160.40]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA27311 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:31:32 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:30:27 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) Subject: Sentimental Greeting Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk How fun to finally be on the list! I think I've gotten the bug, though - I've been running to the campus computer lab every couple of hours today (between work and classes) to check for any new messages...kinda like when I was a newborn raver and had to go to =every= single party! Maybe in time I'll learn how to use my delete key, just as I choose parties now based on line-ups and promoters... Thanks to everyone who took the time to personally welcome me. I've been frustrated by an inability to have meaningful conversations with new people at parties, all the while knowing that *a lot* of them are there for the exact same reasons I am: connectedness, transcendence, dance, unity, and love. I see this list as the connections and the conversations I've been wanting to have with all the happy, but anonymous, bodies around me. (It's at least half my fault because I rarely stray far from a booming speaker, while dancing wildly in my own world!) Through dialogue and sharing our thoughts and dreams, we can build on our underground community, make it stronger, more cohesive, and more visionary. I'm suddenly obsessed with the idea of getting all Bay Area ravers on-line, so that we can articulate our values, build a stronger sense of togetherness, and make the rave experience an even more meaningful one, for more people. (But maybe 100 messages a day is enough!) I'm looking forward to many more interesting conversations with all of you... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 21:33:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA09786; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:33:48 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA09776; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:33:45 -0800 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.4/UCD3.5.1) id VAA18497; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:33:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:33:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603060533.VAA18497@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: ez056875@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress Subject: How many people... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a guestamate as to how many people are on this mailing list? SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLL EEEEEEE __ __ SSSSSSSSS MMMMM MMMMM III LLL EEEEEEE / \ / \ SSSS MMM MM MM MMM III LLL EE \__/ \__/ SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM MMM III LLL EEEEEEE /\ SSSS MMM MMM III LLL EE \ / SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLLLLLLLL EEEEEEE \ / SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLLLLLLLL EEEEEEE \______/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 21:47:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA10681; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:47:56 -0800 Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA10674; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:47:53 -0800 Received: from mailhub.manual3.com by relay1.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id AAA06819; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:47:42 -0500 Received: from [206.5.32.54] by mailhub.manual3.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:48:50 -0800 X-Sender: nathan_moser@mailhub.manual3.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:48:50 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nathan_moser@manual3.com (Nathan Moser) Subject: Invisible Raves Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just finished rereading Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino, which I think is a brilliant book by a genius author. Near the end there's a section that reminded me of something: A sibyl, questioned about Marozia's fate, said: " I see two cities: one of the rat, one of the swallow." This was the interpretation of the oracle: today Marozia is a city where all run though leaden passages like packs of rats who tear from one another's teeth the leftovers which fall from the teeth of the most voracious ones; but a new century is about to begin in which all the inhabitants of Marozia will fly like swallows in the summer sky, calling one another as in a game, showing off, their wings still, as they swoop, clearing the air of mosquitos and gnats. "It is time for the century of the rat to end and the century of the swallow to begin," the more determined said. In fact, already beneath the grim and petty rattish dominion, you could sense, among the less obvious people, a pondering, the preparation of a swallowlike flight, heading for the transparent air with a deft flick of the tail, then tracing with their wing's blade the curve of an opening horizon. I have come back to Marozia after many years: for some time the sibyl's prophecy is considered to have come true; the old century is dead and buried, the new is at its climax. The city has curely changed, and perhaps for the better. But the wings I have seen moving about are those of suspicious umbrellas under which heavy eyelids are lowered; there are people who believe they are flying, but it is already an achievement if they can get off the ground flapping their batlike overcoats. It also happens that, if you move along Marozia's compact walls, when you least expect it, you see a crack open and a different city appear. Then, an instant later, it has already vanished. Perhaps everything lies in knowing what words to speak, what actions to perform, and in what order and rhythm; or else someone's gaze, answer, gesture is enough; it is enough for someone to do something for the sheer pleasure of doing it, and for his pleasure to become the pleasure of others; at that moment, all spaces change, all heights, distances; the city is transfigured, becomes crystalline, transparent as a dragonfly. But everything must happen as if by chance, without attaching too much importance to it, without insisting that you are performing a decisive operation, remembering clearly that any moment the old Marozia will return and solder its ceiling of stone, cobwebs, and mold over all heads. Was the oracle mistaken? Not necessarily. I interpret it in this way: Marozia consists of two cities, the rat's and the swallow's; both change with time, but their relationship does not change; the second is the one about to free itself from the first. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 22:02:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA11721; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:02:06 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA11715; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:02:03 -0800 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id WAA04986; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:01:59 -0800 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id WAA00642; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:01:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:01:58 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: How many people... To: Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603060533.VAA18497@franc.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress wrote: > Does anyone have a guestamate as to how many people are on this mailing list? > SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLL EEEEEEE __ __ > SSSSSSSSS MMMMM MMMMM III LLL EEEEEEE / \ / \ > SSSS MMM MM MM MMM III LLL EE \__/ \__/ > SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM MMM III LLL EEEEEEE /\ > SSSS MMM MMM III LLL EE \ / > SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLLLLLLLL EEEEEEE \ / > SSSSSSSSS MMM MMM III LLLLLLLLL EEEEEEE \______/ > Just a wild guess but, lots? =) (peace) / =*=/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 22:17:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA12945; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:17:39 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA12937; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:17:35 -0800 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id WAA16241; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:17:30 -0800 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <199603060617.WAA16241@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: ??? Body Electro at Bahia Cabana ???? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:17:30 -0800 (PST) Cc: darrin@bw.cea.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 483 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Last month I went to Bahia Cabana on Wednesday night for an event called Body Electro. The flyer says it's 1st Wednesday of every month. That would be March 6th. Anybody know if it will happen and who will be playing. It's supposed to be "live electronic beat music". Last month it was awesome with Liquid Acrobat, Terbo Ted, a special guest from England who was very good ( I wish I could remember his name ), and others. I hope it's happening again! -Darrel darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 23:18:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA16767; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:18:34 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA16762; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:18:31 -0800 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.4/UCD3.5.1) id XAA23190; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:16:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:16:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603060716.XAA23190@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: ez056875@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress Subject: Common Ground Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any idea if this is going to be in Sac or SF? ~DJ Xpress~ for booking or tape inquiries e-mail mswietzke@ucdavis.edu or call 916.759.9683 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Mar 5 23:24:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA17298; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:24:57 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA17287; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:24:54 -0800 From: Trolup@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA00622 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 02:24:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 02:24:18 -0500 Message-ID: <960306022416_439333832@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok so we have a BBQ expert...COOL!!!! and someone mentioned having our party in late April....what does everybody think about having it on a Sunday????....We could probably do this party at any park just as long as the music isn't loud...or we could do it in Richmond where Sunset was last summer and have loud music...any suggestions??? LETS PLAN OUR PARTY TOGETHER!!!!!!!!! luv jen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 00:03:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA22640; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:03:27 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA22635; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:03:24 -0800 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id AAA18949; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:03:19 -0800 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id AAA16069; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:03:19 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:03:18 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? To: Trolup@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960306022416_439333832@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Mar 1996 Trolup@aol.com wrote: > ok so we have a BBQ expert...COOL!!!! and someone mentioned having our party > in late April....what does everybody think about having it on a > Sunday????....We could probably do this party at any park just as long as the > music isn't loud...or we could do it in Richmond where Sunset was last summer > and have loud music...any suggestions??? > LETS PLAN OUR PARTY TOGETHER!!!!!!!!! > > luv > jen > > Would love to help =)!!!! Ran @ Dionysus Dreams. (peace out) / =*=/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 00:12:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA23237; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:12:50 -0800 Received: from wired.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA23232; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:12:47 -0800 Received: (from kensey@localhost) by wired.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA14432; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:12:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Fairclough To: Jamie Pauline Smith cc: Chris Chervin , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: headphone question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk y'all might want to check out : http://headroom.headphone.com/ yeah. On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Jamie Pauline Smith wrote: > I got my brother, Brad ( of Mother EArth Sound System,formerly of Sf, > currently spins LA) a nice pair of Audio Technicas-they were about > 75.00. They have a good support joint where it plugs in, so the wires > don't get exposed, and the sound is good, too.On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Chris > Chervin wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > Does anybody have suggestions on good headphones for Dj's in the 60-100 > > dollar price range? Is it something to take seriously or does any high > > priced set work fine? Thanks in advance. > > > > love chris > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 00:36:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA24689; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:36:35 -0800 Received: from nixon.ind.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA24682; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:36:32 -0800 Received: (from lmnt@localhost) by nixon.ind.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id EAA02035; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:59:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:59:32 -0500 (EST) From: ed colmar To: Trolup@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? In-Reply-To: <960306022416_439333832@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'd *love* to bring my generator to power a soundsystem... And if we plan on going into the darkness hours, I could even bring my intelligent lights... Any chance of a vegan BBQ expert??? =) ::hugs:: e _______ _____________________________ | CDJ LMNT | | Aural Pilot | /| _______| HTTP://nixon.ind.net/~lmnt/ |_______|/ |__________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 06:46:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA27291; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 06:46:21 -0800 Received: from ns.org.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA27285; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 06:46:17 -0800 Received: from Tim.isinc.insignia.com ([205.231.223.101]) by ns.org.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA01936; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 06:46:02 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.32.19960306144959.00674078@email.org> X-Sender: knucklehead@email.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 06:49:59 -0800 To: Trolup@aol.com From: "Tim (Knucklehead)" Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? Cc: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk At 02:24 AM 3/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >ok so we have a BBQ expert...COOL!!!! and someone mentioned having our party >in late April....what does everybody think about having it on a >Sunday????....We could probably do this party at any park just as long as the >music isn't loud...or we could do it in Richmond where Sunset was last summer >and have loud music...any suggestions??? >LETS PLAN OUR PARTY TOGETHER!!!!!!!!! > >luv >jen First, I like to mention that we don't want to have it on a Sunday because Sunsets will be starting in late March, I think it was the 24th if I read write. But the location is good. We can also have it at a beach. Like I mentioned before I have a huge BBQ, long as a bed of a truck, that can be used at a beach. But I think Larry mentioned something about a good location that would be centrally located for alot of people. You also have to think about music. Do we want Amplified music or a boom box. I think having a boom box would result in alot of people wanting to play there tapes and CD's first and that can cause a battle on who plays what. We would need a selected person to handle the boom box. That might not happen, but it's a thought. Having amplified music at a park is a concern due to not being able to have it at some parks. This is why I'm kinda pushing for a beach. We can have volleyball, and all kind of beach sports, we can have amplified music and we have a BBQ Grill that mobile big enough to BBQ anything end everything at the same time so wee all eat as a family. Since having a catering company on the side that gears toward BBQ, I can BBQ just about anything from meats to veggies. So this can be all done on ONE BBQ. I suggest we have it on April 20th..it's a Saturday. I also would like to suggest that anyone interested in helping out with this BBQ/Party should all get together. I say all people that wants to help, met somewhere like Fresh Choice at the Stanford Shopping Center on March 20th around 8pm or if anyone else has a better location, please let me know. Tim (Knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 07:30:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA01834; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:30:53 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA01827; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:30:49 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA227726079; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:27:59 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:27:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Common Ground To: Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603060716.XAA23190@franc.ucdavis.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress wrote: > Does anyone have any idea if this is going to be in Sac or SF? It will be in Sacramtento. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 08:05:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA04991; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:05:39 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA04984; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:05:34 -0800 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA17662; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:05:14 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199603061605.IAA17662@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Derrick May on Saturday Mar 9th (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:05:13 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 620 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just read a post by "Will E. Reburn" : > To: San Francisco Raves Mailing List > Subject: Derrick May on Saturday Mar 9th > > Just a reminder and an invitation for y'all to come and see Derrick May > and Stacey > Along with (me) bill.e Brent Carmichael Tyger Dhula and J Boatman > spin in a nice rom :) (ie not a bar :) > > adv $10 at door $15 > > ... We are setting up an advance ticket price for out of towners..but > you must hook up with me first! > -- I don't have the calender handy - where is this going to be at? Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 08:24:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA06793; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:24:57 -0800 Received: from safety.worldcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA06773; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:24:49 -0800 Received: (from smtp@localhost) by safety.worldcom.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) id KAA23538 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:20:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from worldcom-45.worldcom.com(198.64.193.76) by safety.worldcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma023106; Wed Mar 6 10:17:41 1996 Received: by worldcom-45.worldcom.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/3.3) id AA9531; Wed, 06 Mar 96 10:18:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9603061518.AA9531@worldcom-45.worldcom.com> Received: from worldcom with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id A3E8662DF33A3C81862562E500594F07; Wed, 6 Mar 96 10:18:03 To: David Minuk , sfraves From: Issey Monk Date: 6 Mar 96 10:59:00 Subject: Re: BBC TV movie about ravers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Do you have any idea how I can get a copy of this? Although I grew up in Palo Alto, I think it may be difficult to make it to your soiree as I now live in Manhattan. Any info you could provide would be killer peace. i To: davidmin @ crl.com (David Minuk) @ Internet, sfraves @ hyperreal.com @ Internet cc: (bcc: Issey Monk) From: geoffw @ cybertribe.com (Geoff White) @ Internet @ WORLDCOM Date: 03/05/96 02:39:13 PM CST Subject: Re: BBC TV movie about ravers At 03:46 AM 3/5/96 GMT, David Minuk wrote: >I have scheduled this Wednesday evening at my home in Oakland and >Saturday evening in Palo Alto for those who want to see "Loved Up", a >fine British Melodrama about ravers. I still have room for a few more >people who'd like to see it. E-mail me for details. > >*hugz* >David David I want to come but I need a ride! If someone who is going can come by and scoop me up (I live in SF now) I would be very greatful! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 09:06:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA10583; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:06:12 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA10575; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:06:09 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA01103; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:06:06 -0800 Received: (from anthrax@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA01078; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:04:55 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Message-Id: <199603061704.JAA01078@uclink.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? To: lmnt@nixon.ind.net (ed colmar) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:04:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "ed colmar" at Mar 6, 96 04:59:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 586 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oops! Please disregard what I said about renting a generator!! -Ann > > I'd *love* to bring my generator to power a soundsystem... > > And if we plan on going into the darkness hours, I could even bring my > intelligent lights... > > Any chance of a vegan BBQ expert??? =) > > ::hugs:: > > e > > _______ _____________________________ > | CDJ LMNT | > | Aural Pilot | /| > _______| HTTP://nixon.ind.net/~lmnt/ |_______|/ |__________________ > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 09:27:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA10919; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:06:59 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA10595; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:06:15 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA06301; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:06:12 -0800 Received: (from anthrax@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA29669; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:01:16 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Message-Id: <199603061701.JAA29669@uclink.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? To: knucklehead@mailbox.net (Tim) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:01:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <1.5.4b11.32.19960306144959.00674078@email.org> from "Tim" at Mar 6, 96 06:49:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1149 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Tim, Yay!! Thanks for volunteering your barbecue equipment! I agree that beach would be the best place for the party. What about doing a daytime party at Bonny Doon? It could be a beach clean-up party, perhaps, so that the Santa Cruz folks will be okay with it. I remember there was a Bonny Doon clean-up party a while ago. Does anybody who was involved in organizing it have any tips on how to go about getting permission to use that space? Panther Beach might also be an option. I guess the drawbacks are that it's not really centrally located. Maybe it would be a good idea to start looking around for sound equipment that someone might be willing to volunteer. Also, I think it would be a good idea to ask for donations from people to cover costs of the sound equipment as it would be nice to give that person a bit of cash to pay for cleaning and maintenance, since outdoor parties tend to be a bit hard on sound equipment. Also it might be necessary to rent a generator- for a big one, I think it's usually about $50 or so for the day. I usually go to Big4Rents for that. -Ann http://hyperreal.com/raves/newmoon From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 09:45:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA15107; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:45:38 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA14630; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:40:56 -0800 Received: by island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tuNBq-000FctC; Wed, 6 Mar 96 09:39 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 09:39 PST From: solo@IslandNet.com (solo) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, nw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: DERRICK MAY on Saturday the 9th Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi guys.... My head is hanging...I am sorry for all I have confused.. The party with Derrick and Stacey not playing in a club...*grin* on Saturday the 9th..is in beautiful Victoria, British Columbia- Canada. I hope I didnt set anyone off...my sincerest apologies...Im just a little excited about this show..and for some reason forgot to put that l'il bit of info in there... Well...if you ARE coming make sure you let me know...anyone coming from out of town gets advance ticket price ($10) at the door, instead of the 'at the door' price ($15). But you MUST let me know first...there will be no discussing this at the door. Thanx in advance...hope to see you there :) ****** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully v2.0 Netscapified ****** -----> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <----- come say Hi -> telnet to mud.islandnet.com 4321 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 09:52:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA15589; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:52:47 -0800 Received: from eagle by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA15569; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:52:38 -0800 Received: from sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by eagle (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id JAA13576; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:50:49 -0800 Received: from ifs2.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04871; Wed, 6 Mar 96 09:50:26 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 09:50:26 PST From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Message-Id: <9603061750.AA04871@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com, matt515@uclink4.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> The lack of female DJ's is probably caused by a very simple factor- our >> very sexist sociey. Now, many will argue that the rave scene is immune to >> the ills of the mainstream society, but this is far from being true. Next >> time you go to rave, look around ya. Therefore, we have to change the way >> we treat our children. It has to start early, probably in kindergarten >> when boys are encouraged to be more aggressive and physical , whereas girls >> rarely receive the same kind of attention. If we start them young, maybe >> then and only then girls and boys will be on the same par. Do we really want to train girls to be more like boys? Or should we train boys to be more like girls? I find women in general to be much more CIVIL ( civilized ) than men. I think a society that is more "woman-like" is preferable to one that is more "man-like". In the history of the world (HOTW), societies as they became more "civilized" became less male-oriented and became more woman-oriented (or gender neutral)..... Just a thot.... jim thompson - cube root fact axon info grid data fate ::: ..::. ....: ::::.:::::: . ....::... :: .:..::::: ....:::.....::.:::::::::.. .. :..::::: .:.:..:.. ..: ...::::..:. . ...:: : .... :........:.: ..... ::... .::::::: ...:::: ... :..... ..::... :::..:::....:: .:......::.. :::::.:: ::..... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 09:57:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA15988; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:57:42 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA15767; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:54:43 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id JAA26650; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:53:46 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: fixer@ramona.cyborganic.com Cc: zahed@sfbayguardian.com, socal-raves@ucsd.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NON RAVE: Anyone need a job in San Francisco? Date: 06 Mar 1996 11:07:32 GMT Message-Id: <3057840126.27445@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk how soon do you need a resume? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 10:02:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA16559; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:02:23 -0800 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA16546; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:02:16 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA18621; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:02:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199603061802.KAA18621@netcom8.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 Mar 96 06:49:59 PST." <1.5.4b11.32.19960306144959.00674078@email.org> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 96 10:01:59 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk FYI, I just recently bought (at Fry's in Palo Alto) one of those FM transmitter thingies you use to get your car CD player to play over your FM radio. (i used to have a better sounding cassette adapter but it fried my cassette deck so now i have to use this FM kludge). Anyways, these devices cost about $20.00 each and I'd imagine that if you strung a few together with 1/8" stereo extension cables you could broadcast a signal off the DJ's mixer and allow nearby boomboxes to pick it up. (Hopefully this would allow us to circumvent any amplified sound limitations in a park). They run off of 2 AA batteries. I'd be willing to lend mine to the cause. the fidelity is so-so... Of course, if someone has one of those radio free berkeley micropower transmitters, it would probably sound better and work over longer distances. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= == Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com == =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 10:07:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA14881; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:42:38 -0800 Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA14826; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:42:22 -0800 Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id MAA19060; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:37:00 -0500 Date: 06 Mar 96 12:34:44 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? Message-ID: <960306173444_71165.755_GHL58-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It sounds like the BBQ idea is shaping up -- some thoughts.... - what if we actually put our BBQ party as part of a Sunset party - i.e. set up nearby with food etc. and exposed some new people to SFR? (maybe if not this time, next time) -- then we don't need to worry about music, and we can add to the event (unless the Sunset people thought this might be complicating their lives?) -- we can be like the "Ravers Auxiliary" of a party - ditto on the vegan bbq request - it seems we need one person who'll volunteer to be the coordinator, who people can reply to who want to help out, who'll keep a checklist, coordinate a meeting, etc (sorry, not me, though I can help) - I'll go wherever needed for planning, but live in Berkeley, so SF would be easier than peninsula -- but can offer rides in a very comfy car to those who need 'em let's make it happen! leslie : ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 10:17:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA17954; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:17:44 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA17949; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:17:41 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.27] by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b10); Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:16:56 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:18:41 -0800 To: Jamie Pauline Smith From: Astral Matrix Subject: Re: Come-Unity 5 year anniversary Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yes, 1015 Folsom is a 21+ space... >is this gonna be 21+??On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, ameba wrote: > >> This Wednesday March 6: >> >> COME-UNITY FIVE YEAR ANNIVERSARY PARTY! >> >> Djs: Garth Jeno Simon >> >> Live: Astral Matrix >> >> Chill Out with Jason & Special Guest >> >> 1015 Folsom -10PM -241 8815 >> >> see you there:) >> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 10:31:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA19170; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:31:28 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19158; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:31:24 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA17942; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:31:11 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA26243; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:28:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:28:10 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? To: ed colmar cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, ed colmar wrote: > > Any chance of a vegan BBQ expert??? =) > Can you say "garden burgers"? [k] From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 11:02:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA21946; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:02:10 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA21904; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:01:51 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA16979 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:01:12 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA29728 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:01:10 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23506 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:00:49 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:04:30 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>> The lack of female DJ's is probably caused by a very simple factor- our >>> very sexist sociey. Now, many will argue that the rave scene is immune to >>> the ills of the mainstream society, but this is far from being true. Next >>> time you go to rave, look around ya. Therefore, we have to change the way >>> we treat our children. It has to start early, probably in kindergarten >>> when boys are encouraged to be more aggressive and physical , whereas girls >>> rarely receive the same kind of attention. If we start them young, maybe >>> then and only then girls and boys will be on the same par. > > Do we really want to train girls to be more like boys? Or should > we train boys to be more like girls? I find women in general to > be much more CIVIL ( civilized ) than men. I think a society > that is more "woman-like" is preferable to one that is more > "man-like". In the history of the world (HOTW), societies as > they became more "civilized" became less male-oriented and became > more woman-oriented (or gender neutral)..... > > Just a thot.... > I say we need to celebrate our identity as male or female while supporting each other's identity and individuality. A "separate but equal" attitude will help people feel more like human beings first, and male or female second, and will (hopefully) promote cooperation as opposed to competition. I'm not aggressive or motivated by the typical male drive to succeed, because to me, success = happiness, not social standing or material things. I'll go a step further and say that I feel it's outrageously unfair that women undergo so much hardship simply because of biology, and (biologically speaking) males have such an easy life... - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 11:38:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25383; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:38:55 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA25367; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:38:50 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA18712 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:38:12 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA03040; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:38:11 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA01395; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:38:08 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:41:52 -0800 To: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk We'll definitely need to be sensitive to the needs of people with special dietary concerns. I'm basically an omnivore, but I don't eat scrapings from the slaughterhouse floor (more commonly known as hot dogs), or stuff that's got more than 1/3 calories from fat (with few exceptions). I'm up for a meeting, if it's in a location that's not too far from south bay. [sound of a stomach growling] - E >It sounds like the BBQ idea is shaping up -- some thoughts.... > >- what if we actually put our BBQ party as part of a Sunset party - i.e. set up >nearby with food etc. and exposed some new people to SFR? (maybe if not this >time, next time) -- then we don't need to worry about music, and we can add to >the event (unless the Sunset people thought this might be complicating their >lives?) -- we can be like the "Ravers Auxiliary" of a party > >- ditto on the vegan bbq request > >- it seems we need one person who'll volunteer to be the coordinator, who >people >can reply to who want to help out, who'll keep a checklist, coordinate a >meeting, etc (sorry, not me, though I can help) > >- I'll go wherever needed for planning, but live in Berkeley, so SF would be >easier than peninsula -- but can offer rides in a very comfy car to those who >need 'em > >let's make it happen! > >leslie : ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 11:39:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25416; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:39:01 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25396; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:38:58 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:38:57 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Thomas To: Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: How many people... In-Reply-To: <199603060533.VAA18497@franc.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress wrote: > Does anyone have a guestamate as to how many people are on this mailing list? 441 on the main list, 1044 calendar only (!) Andy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 11:42:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25787; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:42:49 -0800 Received: from capt.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25749; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:42:34 -0800 From: moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net Received: (from Unknown UID 31743@localhost) by capt.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA19230; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:42:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:42:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199603061942.LAA19230@capt.hooked.net> To: Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, Mar 6, 1996 9:01:15 AM at Ann Elizabeth Loraine wrote: >Dear Tim, > >Yay!! Thanks for volunteering your barbecue equipment! > >I agree that beach would be the best place for the party. What about >doing a daytime party at Bonny Doon? It could be a beach clean-up party, >perhaps, so that the Santa Cruz folks will be okay with it. > > >I remember there was a Bonny Doon clean-up party a while ago. Does >anybody who was involved in organizing it have any tips on how to go >about getting permission to use that space? > >Panther Beach might also be an option. I guess the drawbacks are that >it's not really centrally located. > >Maybe it would be a good idea to start looking around for sound equipment >that someone might be willing to volunteer. Also, I think it would be a >good idea to ask for donations from people to cover costs of the sound >equipment as it would be nice to give that person a bit of cash to pay >for cleaning and maintenance, since outdoor parties tend to be a bit hard >on sound equipment. Also it might be necessary to rent a generator- for >a big one, I think it's usually about $50 or so for the day. I usually >go to Big4Rents for that. > I can voulenteer my turntables and mixer and if the weathers right I can bring my denon CD mixer, and dat machine to record the music......but I have no speakers and no amps and no generater. moonpup >-Ann >http://hyperreal.com/raves/newmoon > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 11:46:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26126; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:46:14 -0800 Received: from capt.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26088; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:46:03 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by capt.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA19253; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:44:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:44:32 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199603061944.LAA19253@capt.hooked.net> To: Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: Come-Unity 5 year anniversary Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, Mar 6, 1996 10:18:41 AM at Astral Matrix wrote: >yes, 1015 Folsom is a 21+ space... > >>is this gonna be 21+??On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, ameba wrote: >> >>> This Wednesday March 6: >>> >>> COME-UNITY FIVE YEAR ANNIVERSARY PARTY! >>> >>> Djs: Garth Jeno Simon >>> >>> Live: Astral Matrix >>> >>> Chill Out with Jason & Special Guest >>> >>> 1015 Folsom -10PM -241 8815 >>> >>> see you there:) >>> Who will be the SPECIAL GUEST.........???????? why not tell us, someone might go just to see the special guest........!!!!!! whats the big secret ????? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 12:04:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA28510; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:04:11 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA28486; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:04:05 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA03493; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:03:29 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA27886; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:03:28 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:03:28 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: Andy Thomas cc: Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: How many people... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Andy Thomas wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress wrote: > > > Does anyone have a guestamate as to how many people are on this mailing list? > > 441 on the main list, 1044 calendar only (!) > > Andy > wow..lotta lurkers...lurking's cool...:) bren p.s. have fun at the picnic! wish i could be there...wahh!!!!! http://www.teleport.com/~shakti From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 12:05:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA28696; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:05:44 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA28679; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:05:36 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id MAA04134; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:05:18 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net Cc: zahed@sfbayguardian.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: burning man-posse potential Date: 06 Mar 1996 11:12:30 GMT Message-Id: <4234526655.33655@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If i don't go to Prague, I will take you up on your offer................will know soon..... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 12:14:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA29687; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:14:35 -0800 Received: from ns.org.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA29649; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:14:28 -0800 Received: from Tim.isinc.insignia.com ([205.231.223.101]) by ns.org.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA02844 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:14:25 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.32.19960306201821.00674f00@email.org> X-Sender: knucklehead@email.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 12:18:21 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Tim (Knucklehead)" Subject: Meeting for SFR's BBQ & BEATS PICNIC PARTY Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay here the plan, I'll be the contact person for people that want to help, have suggestions or anything else. Since a few people said April 20th sounds good, I'm going with this date. It's on a Saturday. As far as all the details, I would like everyone that is interested in helping out in anyway meet with me. I would like the meeting place to be at Denny's off of hwy 101 and the Woodside exit going West in Redwood City. This location is somewhat central. The meeting time will be at 8pm on March 13th Weds. I know this is a weekday so if this is a problem let me know before the end of this week. I live in Sunnyvale so if anyone needs a ride let me know. I have room for 2 other people, 3 if 2 of you are not too tall. I have a truck with an extended cab with 2 seats in the cab. If anyone else can offer ride please do. You can reach me at either this email or at tim744@silicon.email.net... Tim (Knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 12:21:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA00613; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:21:59 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA00606; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:21:56 -0800 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id MAA13768; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:31:05 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:31:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199603062031.MAA13768@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: NON_RAVE:Pentagon and the Internet (fwd) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk WARNING: This is not about any party or DJ but it is about the right to have this list, and about people that might consider this list a potential "threat" to national security. I used to work for the main culprit mentioned in this article I.G.C. and while the organization is very definitely left as in progressive, they are _far_ from a threat to National Security, at least by my definition... =20 > >> =20 >> Pentagon Trolls the Net >> By David Corn >> _The Nation_, March 4, 1996 >> =20 >> =20 >> Internet users beware; Pentagon snoops are taking an interest in your >> cyber-communications. Last summer, Charles Swett, a policy assistant in >> the Office of the Assistant Secret=07=01T,=82 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 12:24:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA00849; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:24:00 -0800 Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA00841; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:23:56 -0800 Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA18701; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:23:14 -0500 Date: 06 Mar 96 15:19:53 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: More on female dj's..... Message-ID: <960306201952_71165.755_GHL60-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk First, I just want to say how insightful and thoughtful this discussion has been..... To respond to the last posts on.... >>we have to change the way we treat our children. .... If we start them >>young, maybe then and only then girls and boys will be on the same par. and then... >Do we really want to train girls to be more like boys? Or should >we train boys to be more like girls? I find women in general to > be much more CIVIL ( civilized ) than men. I think a society >that is more "woman-like" is preferable to one that is more >"man-like". In the history of the world (HOTW), societies as >they became more "civilized" became less male-oriented and became >more woman-oriented (or gender neutral).... here's a story (sorry if it's longwinded).... When my daughter was born almost 18 years ago, I was determined to dress her gender-neutrally, treat her gender-neutrally, not inflict any sexual stereotypes on her. Imagine my agony when I found myself at Toy R Us at Christmas five years later buying... A PLAY KITCHEN!... BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTED!!!! and she WOULD ONLY WEAR DRESSES!!!! Over the years I began to observe and realize that there truly ARE differences between little boys and little girls (now remember, I only mean for the most part, that these generalities don't always apply to specific individuals, that's where we get into trouble...) -- and that's just the reality of it. Boys and girls are different, men and women are different -- Once I let go of the programming I had received in the 70s that we're all the same, I saw with a fresh eye that the problem isn't in recognizing the general differences... the problem is in taking it a step further and making assumptions that the differences mean that certain people won't be good at certain things -- in setting up expectations about who can do what and why. We need the yin and the yang in our society, and we need to develop both sides in ourselves as well. So, are men different from women? Amen, thank you lord, yes they are, hallelujah! Are they better, more deserving of power, respect, whatever? No way. Do I want my daughter to be "more like a man"? Nope, I want her to be more like an independent, caring, thoughtful, considerate, courageous human being! And an awesome woman to boot (which she is, hope you all get to meet her!) This is NOT a lecture in any way - the people on this group are some of the most enlightened and introspective I've come in contact with, and share some awesome insights with us all - and that awareness should come out in how we treat each other - it's just a perspective from someone who's been travelling on our road a little longer than some ... leslie : ) (see you all at ComeUnity tonight I hope, look for my big black hat, silver bracelets and shoulder tattoos) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 12:26:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01018; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:26:11 -0800 Received: from ns.org.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA01012; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:26:08 -0800 Received: from Tim.isinc.insignia.com ([205.231.223.101]) by ns.org.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA02940 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:25:49 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.32.19960306202944.0067a3dc@email.org> X-Sender: knucklehead@email.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 12:29:44 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Tim (Knucklehead)" Subject: Food and Supplies for BBQ Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For all concerned, as I mentioned, I do have a catering company on the side that specializes in BBQ so there will be more then meat there. I can make great(IMO) Veggie burgers as well as Stir fried Veggie on a BBQ. So there will be BBQ food to hopefully pls all. Also I have a portable sink that has two basins in it for washing and rinsing so we can wash the containers, and anything else that needs to be washed, that way we don't have dirty dishes in peoples cars. Tim (Knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 13:27:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA07348; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:27:16 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA07337; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:27:13 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA20503; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:27:03 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA22521; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:20:00 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:19:59 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's To: "Eric P. Peterson" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > > Do we really want to train girls to be more like boys? Or should > > we train boys to be more like girls? I find women in general to > > be much more CIVIL ( civilized ) than men. I think a society > > that is more "woman-like" is preferable to one that is more > > "man-like". In the history of the world (HOTW), societies as > > they became more "civilized" became less male-oriented and became > > more woman-oriented (or gender neutral)..... > > > > Just a thot.... > > > I say we need to celebrate our identity as male or female while supporting > each other's identity and individuality. A "separate but equal" attitude > will help people feel more like human beings first, and male or female > second, and will (hopefully) promote cooperation as opposed to competition. > I'm not aggressive or motivated by the typical male drive to succeed, > because to me, success = happiness, not social standing or material things. > I'll go a step further and say that I feel it's outrageously unfair that > women undergo so much hardship simply because of biology, and (biologically > speaking) males have such an easy life... > Well said. On the flip-side, men have it much more difficult emotionally speaking. They are not allowed to express feelings in the way women are allowed to, risking not seeming "manly." I always feel bad about this for men because I know men who want to break these binds so much and aren't allowed to. And I feel sorry for men who have to live up to the impossible image of what society depicts as being a man. To relate this back to raves, as i find myself straying, I've found a lot of men at raves who do break this mold. 'nuff said, kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 13:59:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09397; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:49:17 -0800 Received: from ix9.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09375; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:49:07 -0800 Received: from by ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA27488; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:48:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:48:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199603062148.NAA27488@ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Thanks for the responses!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone for responding to my keyboard, headphone, record, and floyd question. You have all been a huge help in answering my questions. I have my work cut out for me in locating a keyboard as well as those rising high records. As for headphones it sounds like Sony is the popular choice. Thanks again! love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 13:59:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA08145; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:35:35 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08137; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:35:32 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA01283 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:35:22 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA26772; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:33:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:33:36 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Come-Unity To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Who's going tonight? I want to be there, but I have pressing obligations that should be met:( But, I wanna go........ so, i am contemplating re-arranging my schedule. who else is going? is this going to be so wonderful i'll kick myself for not going? help......... love, kc kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu .*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* "Talk is cheap..." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 14:31:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA13654; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:31:03 -0800 Received: from hal.mobius.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA13640; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:30:59 -0800 Received: from fireball by hal.mobius.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0tuS67-000JFsC; Wed, 6 Mar 96 14:54 PST Message-ID: <313E1273.3EDC@mobius.net> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 14:32:19 -0800 From: w p risenhoover X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> CC: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: More on female dj's..... References: <960306201952_71165.755_GHL60-1@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This may only be slightly relevant, and I may get flamed, but... > When my daughter was born almost 18 years ago, I was determined to dress her > gender-neutrally, treat her gender-neutrally, not inflict any sexual stereotypes > on her. Imagine my agony when I found myself at Toy R Us at Christmas five > years later buying... A PLAY KITCHEN!... BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTED!!!! > and she WOULD ONLY WEAR DRESSES!!!! >From PR NEWSWIRE: MATTEL ANNOUNCES the latest in their new line of Barbie products, the "Hacker Barbie." These new dolls will be released next month. The aim of these dolls is to negate the stereotype that women are numerophobic, computer-illiterate, and academically challenged. This new line of Barbie dolls comes equipped with Barbie's very own X-terminal and UNIX documentation as well as ORA's "In a Nutshell" series. The Barbie clothing includes a dirty button-up shirt and a pair of well-worn jeans. Accessories include a Casio all-purpose watch, and glasses with lenses thick enough to set ants on fire. (Pocket protectors and HP calculators optional.) The new Barbie has the incredible ability to stare at the screen without blinking her eyes and to go without eating or drinking for 16 hours straight. Her vocabulary mainly consists of technical terms such as "What's your Internet address?", "I like TCP/IP!", "Bummer! Your kernel must have gotten trashed," "Can't you grep that file?", and "DEC's Alpha AXP is awesome!" "We are very excited about this product," said Ken Olsen, Marketing Executive, "and we hope that the Hacker Barbie will offset the damage incurred by the mathophobic Barbie." (A year ago, Mattel released Barbie dolls that say, "Math is hard," with a condescending companion Ken.) The Hacker Barbie's Ken is an incompetent management consultant who frequently asks Barbie for help. The leading feminists are equally excited about this new line of Barbie dolls. Naomi Falodji says, "I believe that these new dolls will finally terminate the notion that womyn are inherently inferior when it comes to mathematics and the sciences. However, I feel that Ken's hierarchical superiority would simply reinforce the patriarchy and oppress the masses." Mattel made no comment. Parents, however, are worried that they will fall behind the children technologically when the Hacker Barbie comes out. "My daughter Jenny plays with the prototype Hacker Barbie for two days," says Mrs. Mary Carlson of rural Oxford, Mississippi, "and now she pays my credit card bill online. Got no idea how she does it, but she surely does it. I just don't wanna be looked upon as some dumb mama." Mattel will be offering free training courses for those who purchase the Hacker Barbie. The future Hacker Barbie will include several variations to deal with the complex aspects of Barbie. "Hacker Barbie Goes to Jail" will teach computer ethics to youngsters, while "BARBIE RITES L1KE BIFF!!!" will serve as an introduction to expository writing. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 14:35:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA12130; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:15:39 -0800 Received: from mail1.fw-sj.sony.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA12120; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:15:35 -0800 Received: by mail1.fw-sj.sony.com id AA04112; Wed, 6 Mar 96 14:14:24 -0800 Received: by mail1.bc.in.sel.sony.com id AA27816; Wed, 6 Mar 96 17:14:21 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate.ssi.sony.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA826150502; Wed, 06 Mar 96 14:16:16 PST Date: Wed, 06 Mar 96 14:16:16 PST From: "Jacqui Kolarik" Encoding: 19 Text Message-Id: <9602068261.AA826150502@ccgate.ssi.sony.com> To: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter), sfraves@hyperreal.com Cc: darrin@bw.cea.edu Subject: Re: ??? Body Electro at Bahia Cabana ???? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yah! Call at 8:00 to get the line-up 415/861-4202 or 415/626-3306. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: ??? Body Electro at Bahia Cabana ???? From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) at Internet Date: 3/5/96 10:18 PM Last month I went to Bahia Cabana on Wednesday night for an event called Body Electro. The flyer says it's 1st Wednesday of every month. That would be March 6th. Anybody know if it will happen and who will be playing. It's supposed to be "live electronic beat music". Last month it was awesome with Liquid Acrobat, Terbo Ted, a special guest from England who was very good ( I wish I could remember his name ), and others. I hope it's happening again! -Darrel darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 15:03:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA17001; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:03:56 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA16996; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:03:52 -0800 Received: from [128.32.91.100] (mmf30.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.100]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA23658 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:03:43 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:02:38 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) Subject: Random Hug Controversy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey Ravechicks! How do you feel about random raveboys hugging you at parties? Of course one of the most special aspects of the scene is the open acceptance of everyone and family atmosphere found at the best parties. However, I can't help but notice that my new nameless friends have often passed ten other males on their beeline over to embrace me, a young woman. Normally I find physical touching from men without my prior consent to be rather intrusive, but in these instances I am usually too *ecstatic* to view it from my "real world" pespective, and instead happily return the hug. (Although many times I've been approached by men who I am not attracted to who immediately enfold me in their arms, without even the benefit of an introduction). What do you think? Are random hugs from guys a manifestation of universal love, or an exploitation of women on e? In my e-galitarian moments, I love the thought of hugs being the new form of introduction. Why does one need words first, an establishment of a "relationship," or something in common, before we can show affection? If affection came *first*, in the rave scene, and later outside of it, our world would be transformed! If these anonymous "hello hugs" *were* common practice among everyone in the scene, female-to-male, female-to-female, male-to-male, that would be an amazingly beautiful thing. But as it stands now, is it just a rave "pick-up line?" Or is female defensiveness a vestige of destructive, outside-world attitudes? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 15:08:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA17589; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:08:48 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA17584; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:08:45 -0800 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA23378; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:09:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:09:03 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: Trolup@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? In-Reply-To: <960306022416_439333832@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>>> Sunday sounds good to me--that would give those who went out the night before to get some zzzzzz--yeah! Richmond is the only place that I can think of off the top of my head....... hugs- Reagan On Wed, 6 Mar 1996 Trolup@aol.com wrote: > ok so we have a BBQ expert...COOL!!!! and someone mentioned having our party > in late April....what does everybody think about having it on a > Sunday????....We could probably do this party at any park just as long as the > music isn't loud...or we could do it in Richmond where Sunset was last summer > and have loud music...any suggestions??? > LETS PLAN OUR PARTY TOGETHER!!!!!!!!! > > luv > jen > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 15:48:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA19877; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:48:39 -0800 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA19870; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:48:34 -0800 Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id PAA28873; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:48:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael E. Clay" Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy To: Nancy cc: sfraves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I find hugs random... there are some people I always hug and it's about equal between male and female... there are others I sometimes hug and still others I never hug.... but I almost never hug anyone without an introduction and an indication on their part that they want to take part in an equal experience. Speaking as one male if I'm really sexually attracted to a woman I personally tend to be more shy and LESS likely to hug her than if I look at the person as just a good friend... thus I never look at hugging as a sex substitute or a way to say "feel the territory" but then I'm not a young male with a "grab all I can get attitude" so you'll never see me pass up a line of men to get to a woman to hug... On thinking about it - it's really too bad that at least several women have experienced hugs as a "meat market" thing ( at least once in awhile ) where I've never been aware of hugs in that light... which as far as I'm concerned is as it should be.... Mike meclay@netcom.com | Alone & ecstatic Mike Clay (415)572-8971 | A young rainbow learns to levitate. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 15:52:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20276; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:52:17 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20262; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:52:13 -0800 Received: from ameba.com.v-site.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id QAA14497; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:01:15 -0800 Message-ID: <313E231E.3812@netcom.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 15:43:26 -0800 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, Ann Elizabeth Loraine Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's References: <199603050946.BAA15607@uclink.berkeley.edu> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 15:58:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20836; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:58:33 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20828; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:58:27 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA17013 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:54:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:54:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199603062354.PAA17013@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: South Bay Ravers X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm curious, how many people on this list are from the South Bay? San Jose, Santa Clara, Mountain View, Palo Alto, Sunnyvale, Cupertino, Campbell, etc.? Why isn't there more of a rave scene in the South Bay? Or is it just more underground than in SF? Maybe it's more u.g. because permits and spaces are too difficult to get? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 15:59:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA18945; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:37:28 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA18798; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:35:13 -0800 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA24511; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:34:24 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: Nancy cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 15:59:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA19309; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:42:05 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA19298; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:42:02 -0800 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA17546; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:41:59 -0800 Received: (from sidewalk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA13213; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:38:59 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:38:57 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy McIntyre Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? To: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" In-Reply-To: <960306173444_71165.755_GHL58-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay, if the site for an SFR party hasn't been determined, here's a possibly unrealistic, yet hopefully possible idea: what about Tilden Park in the Berkeley Hills? There are several wide-open grassy areas there, it's absolutely beautiful, there's Lake Anza, plenty of sweeping views, parking, and it's pretty empty (no houses very close by, so probably no noise complaints). If anyone else who puts on outdoor parties sees this, they should check it out as a possible site. Everytime my friends and I go wandering around the trails up there, we always go, "God, this would be *such* a great place for a rave!" Timothy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 16:15:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23307; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:15:42 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA23296; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:15:37 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA06652 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:15:33 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id QAA17348; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:14:46 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Problems with email To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry to waste bandwith with this problem, but is *everyone* getting screwy email posts or is it just me? My email takes 4ever to go through with this list, and now I just got two messages that were blank. Please, respond privately. Thank you so much. kc kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu .*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* "Talk is cheap..." From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 16:38:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25478; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:38:45 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA25444; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:38:40 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA02316 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:36:26 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA23930; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:36:23 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA26849; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:36:19 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:40:04 -0800 To: cnielsen@earthlink.net (Cortney Nielson) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I don't care if the DJ is male or female, as long as he/she rocks the house. Right on!!! :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 16:46:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26039; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:46:14 -0800 Received: from compute.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA26033; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:46:10 -0800 From: teena@lioness.compute.com Received: from lioness.compute.com by compute.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19276; Wed, 6 Mar 96 16:45:10 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 16:32:49 PST Subject: RE: Random Hug Controversy To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, Nancy X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Myself, I welcome hugs from all; male or female alike as long as they are quick "hello" hugs. I do find it intrusive if they are lingering hugs. Unfortunately, I do think some people take advantage of the "scene" & hug people longer than they should because they think they can get away with it! Because "e" is a part of the "scene", I think some people try to get their thrills or "cop a feel", thinking the other person will be too open in their altered state! Too bad there are people like that out there!! Overall...I say "hug-away" but make it a quick "hello hug"!! :-> Teena "Dancing is what I live for!" On Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:02:38 -0800 Nancy wrote: > > >Hey Ravechicks! > >How do you feel about random raveboys hugging you at parties? Of course >one of the most special aspects of the scene is the open acceptance of >everyone and family atmosphere found at the best parties. However, I can't >help but notice that my new nameless friends have often passed ten other >males on their beeline over to embrace me, a young woman. Normally I find >physical touching from men without my prior consent to be rather intrusive, >but in these instances I am usually too *ecstatic* to view it from my >"real world" pespective, and instead happily return the hug. (Although >many times I've been approached by men who I am not attracted to who >immediately enfold me in their arms, without even the benefit of an >introduction). > >What do you think? Are random hugs from guys a manifestation of universal >love, or an exploitation of women on e? > >In my e-galitarian moments, I love the thought of hugs being the new form >of introduction. Why does one need words first, an establishment of a >"relationship," or something in common, before we can show affection? If >affection came *first*, in the rave scene, and later outside of it, our >world would be transformed! > >If these anonymous "hello hugs" *were* common practice among everyone in >the scene, female-to-male, female-to-female, male-to-male, that would be an >amazingly beautiful thing. But as it stands now, is it just a rave >"pick-up line?" Or is female defensiveness a vestige of destructive, >outside-world attitudes? > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 16:49:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26273; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:49:43 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA26260; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:49:33 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA02963 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:49:03 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA24868; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:49:04 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29385; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:49:01 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:52:44 -0800 To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: South Bay Ravers Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I'm curious, how many people on this list are from the South Bay? San Jose, >Santa Clara, Mountain View, Palo Alto, Sunnyvale, Cupertino, Campbell, etc.? > Why isn't there more of a rave scene in the South Bay? Or is it just more >underground than in SF? Maybe it's more u.g. because permits and spaces are >too difficult to get? > >S There are a lot of South Bay ravers! I grew up in Santa Clara, and have lived in Sunnyvale, Campbell, and now San Jose. The Crew are South Bay inhabitants (my "core group" of party-going friends), too. My understanding is that there's too much gangsta element in the South Bay, and that discourages people from throwing parties :( But Harmony goes off quite frequently in this area, so the South Bay gets at least SOME activity... - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 16:53:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26633; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:53:02 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA26563; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:52:13 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA02796 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:44:44 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA24522; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:44:45 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA28541; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:44:41 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:48:24 -0800 To: "Michael E. Clay" From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I feel the same way. And, though they usually don't mention it, I hope that males enjoy my Erichugs as much as females, because those who allow me to give the full-on Erichug always respond positively. (now, how does the ASCII hug go again?) - E > I find hugs random... there are some people I always hug and it's about >equal between male and female... there are others I sometimes hug and >still others I never hug.... but I almost never hug anyone without an >introduction and an indication on their part that they want to take part >in an equal experience. > > Speaking as one male if I'm really sexually attracted to a woman I >personally tend to be more shy and LESS likely to hug her than if I look >at the person as just a good friend... thus I never look at hugging as >a sex substitute or a way to say "feel the territory" but then I'm not >a young male with a "grab all I can get attitude" so you'll never see >me pass up a line of men to get to a woman to hug... > > On thinking about it - it's really too bad that at least several women >have experienced hugs as a "meat market" thing ( at least once in awhile ) >where I've never been aware of hugs in that light... which as far as I'm >concerned is as it should be.... > > > >Mike > > > meclay@netcom.com | Alone & ecstatic > Mike Clay (415)572-8971 | A young rainbow learns to levitate. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 16:58:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA27120; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:58:16 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27107; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:58:09 -0800 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA00747; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:58:53 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:58:53 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: Nancy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 17:16:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA28909; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:16:34 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA28901; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:16:29 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA00688; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:15:28 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603070115.RAA00688@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: South Bay Ravers To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:15:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: from "Eric P. Peterson" at Mar 6, 96 04:52:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 269 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > There are a lot of South Bay ravers! I grew up in Santa Clara, and have > lived in Sunnyvale, Campbell, and now San Jose. The Crew are South Bay > inhabitants (my "core group" of party-going friends), too. I live in Sunnyvale and work in Palo Alto... Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 17:44:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA01881; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:44:02 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA01868; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:43:57 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id RAA28939; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:43:45 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id RAA01205; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:43:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:43:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy To: Nancy cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well, i generally think hugs are pretty nice and innocent adn friendly at raves, and is the guy is particularly touchy or icky, o' drag, its just a random bad seed. I like hugging everyone even just as an introduction, but we must be sensitive to others preceptions. unfortuantly we do have to be cuatious, but lets not be defensive. HUGZ HUGZ HUGZ :) Jamie Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Nancy wrote: > > > Hey Ravechicks! > > How do you feel about random raveboys hugging you at parties? Of course > one of the most special aspects of the scene is the open acceptance of > everyone and family atmosphere found at the best parties. However, I can't > help but notice that my new nameless friends have often passed ten other > males on their beeline over to embrace me, a young woman. Normally I find > physical touching from men without my prior consent to be rather intrusive, > but in these instances I am usually too *ecstatic* to view it from my > "real world" pespective, and instead happily return the hug. (Although > many times I've been approached by men who I am not attracted to who > immediately enfold me in their arms, without even the benefit of an > introduction). > > What do you think? Are random hugs from guys a manifestation of universal > love, or an exploitation of women on e? > > In my e-galitarian moments, I love the thought of hugs being the new form > of introduction. Why does one need words first, an establishment of a > "relationship," or something in common, before we can show affection? If > affection came *first*, in the rave scene, and later outside of it, our > world would be transformed! > > If these anonymous "hello hugs" *were* common practice among everyone in > the scene, female-to-male, female-to-female, male-to-male, that would be an > amazingly beautiful thing. But as it stands now, is it just a rave > "pick-up line?" Or is female defensiveness a vestige of destructive, > outside-world attitudes? > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 17:55:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA03231; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:53:18 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA03224; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:53:15 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA05662 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:52:59 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA29972; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:53:00 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA10611; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:52:55 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:56:39 -0800 To: Marisa Giancarla-Wright From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: South Bay Ravers Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> There are a lot of South Bay ravers! I grew up in Santa Clara, and have >> lived in Sunnyvale, Campbell, and now San Jose. The Crew are South Bay >> inhabitants (my "core group" of party-going friends), too. > I live in Sunnyvale and work in Palo Alto... > > Marisa Oh, yeah, forgot to mention: I work in Mountain View. - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 17:56:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA02284; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:46:47 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA02263; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:46:42 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA05378 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:46:39 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA29611 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:46:39 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA09751 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:46:35 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:50:17 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: RE: Random Hug Controversy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here's my perspective, based on experience and personal preference: >>How do you feel about random raveboys hugging you at parties? Of course >>one of the most special aspects of the scene is the open acceptance of >>everyone and family atmosphere found at the best parties. However, I >can't >>help but notice that my new nameless friends have often passed ten other >>males on their beeline over to embrace me, a young woman. Normally I find >>physical touching from men without my prior consent to be rather >intrusive, >>but in these instances I am usually too *ecstatic* to view it from my >>"real world" pespective, and instead happily return the hug. (Although >>many times I've been approached by men who I am not attracted to who >>immediately enfold me in their arms, without even the benefit of an >>introduction). >> Introductions are better, then the hugs can follow once the names are known. >>What do you think? Are random hugs from guys a manifestation of universal >>love, or an exploitation of women on e? Universal love, of course! (What about exploitation of men on e? Not that I feel that way, just making a point :) ) >> >>In my e-galitarian moments, I love the thought of hugs being the new form >>of introduction. Why does one need words first, an establishment of a >>"relationship," or something in common, before we can show affection? If >>affection came *first*, in the rave scene, and later outside of it, our >>world would be transformed! >> >>If these anonymous "hello hugs" *were* common practice among everyone in >>the scene, female-to-male, female-to-female, male-to-male, that would be >an >>amazingly beautiful thing. But as it stands now, is it just a rave >>"pick-up line?" Or is female defensiveness a vestige of destructive, >>outside-world attitudes? >> It's not a pick-up line with anyone I know, because we don't go to parties to pick up on people, but to make new friends and spread love and joy. Defensiveness, whether male or female, is indeed a vestige of destructive, outside-world attitudes, if by that you mean the outside-the-rave-community outside world. Speak up, guys! - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 18:13:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA05740; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:13:43 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA05735; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:13:39 -0800 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id SAA03776; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:13:27 -0800 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id SAA19702; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:13:26 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:13:26 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? To: moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net cc: anthrax@uclink.berkeley.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603061942.LAA19230@capt.hooked.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Mar 1996 moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net wrote: > On Wed, Mar 6, 1996 9:01:15 AM at Ann Elizabeth Loraine wrote: > > >Dear Tim, > > > >Yay!! Thanks for volunteering your barbecue equipment! > > > >I agree that beach would be the best place for the party. What about > >doing a daytime party at Bonny Doon? It could be a beach clean-up party, > > >perhaps, so that the Santa Cruz folks will be okay with it. > > > > > >I remember there was a Bonny Doon clean-up party a while ago. Does > >anybody who was involved in organizing it have any tips on how to go > >about getting permission to use that space? > > > >Panther Beach might also be an option. I guess the drawbacks are that > >it's not really centrally located. > > > >Maybe it would be a good idea to start looking around for sound equipment > > >that someone might be willing to volunteer. Also, I think it would be a > >good idea to ask for donations from people to cover costs of the sound > >equipment as it would be nice to give that person a bit of cash to pay > >for cleaning and maintenance, since outdoor parties tend to be a bit hard > > >on sound equipment. Also it might be necessary to rent a generator- for > >a big one, I think it's usually about $50 or so for the day. I usually > >go to Big4Rents for that. > > > I can voulenteer my turntables and mixer and if the weathers right I can > bring my denon CD mixer, and dat machine to record the music......but I > have no speakers and no amps and no generater. moonpup > >-Ann > >http://hyperreal.com/raves/newmoon > > > > > > > I have a biamped sound system-- Community csx-52s for top cabinets (3-ways with 15 inch woofer), ashley x-over, incredible BGW amp and crown macrotech amp. Would need some sub-cabinets and a monitor system if a DJ was spinning Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (ho ho ho) / =*=/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 18:23:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA07159; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:23:20 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA07149; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:23:13 -0800 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id SAA05083; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:22:04 -0800 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id SAA21052; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:22:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:22:03 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's To: "Eric P. Peterson" cc: Cortney Nielson , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Eric P. Peterson wrote: > >I don't care if the DJ is male or female, as long as he/she rocks the house. > > Right on!!! > > :) > > - E > > > Half the time I'm dancing so hard an alien could be spinning and I wouldn't know =) Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (hugs) / =*=/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 18:30:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA07906; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:30:03 -0800 Received: from shgc.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA07885; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:29:58 -0800 Received: from [171.65.76.81] by shgc.Stanford.EDU (8.7.4/inc-1.0) id CAA10412; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:29:48 GMT Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:29:48 GMT Message-Id: <199603070229.CAA10412@shgc.Stanford.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: piercy@toolik.Stanford.EDU (Mark Piercy) Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'll cast my vote for doin it in sf for those of us without cars, Marina Green(freak-out all those yuppies!!!) , Baker beach, the little park by mission rock, ocean beach,sutro? SEEyA, MArk > >>ok so we have a BBQ expert...COOL!!!! and someone mentioned having our party >>in late April....what does everybody think about having it on a >>Sunday????....We could probably do this party at any park just as long as the >>music isn't loud...or we could do it in Richmond where Sunset was last summer >>and have loud music...any suggestions??? >>LETS PLAN OUR PARTY TOGETHER!!!!!!!!! >> >>luv >>jen *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 18:30:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA04300; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:02:20 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA04289; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:02:08 -0800 Received: from by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB18752; Wed, 6 Mar 96 21:01:08 EST X-Sender: ecto@citenet.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:07:32 -0500 To: KaySEE From: ecto@magnet.ca (ecto) Subject: 'da female/male emotional thingamabob Cc: "Eric P. Peterson" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:19 PM 3/6/96, KaySEE wrote: >On the flip-side, men have it much more difficult emotionally >speaking. They are not allowed to express feelings in the way women are >allowed to, risking not seeming "manly." I always feel bad about this >for men because I know men who want to break these binds so much and >aren't allowed to. And I feel sorry for men who have to live up to the >impossible image of what society depicts as being a man. To relate this >back to raves, as i find myself straying, I've found a lot of men at raves >who do break this mold. yeah, i think this is a very accurate perception of how men are conditioned. I know for myself that it was 'bad' to cry when i was growing up, and that when you faced difficult situations you couldn't allow yourself to crawl into bed with your blankie and suck your thumb and...oh ok, sorry, i'm getting off topic. There is something to be said, however, about a 'female' that can accurately understand the male conditioning, right? I was just mentioning to a friend today how much art school drove me insane because, in the never ending post-structuralist-whatever quest to break down barriers of gender, more barriers were set up. I was told i 'couldn't' understand what it was like to be anything but a (semi) straight white young english speaking male. Couldn't is a nasty word, i think, and since i've graduated i've found that i can actually relate better to females than to males a lot of times. Go figure! But, yeah, i don't want to place TOO much importance on this but there is a little thing out there that i've seen men do (at raves or at home) that has allowed them to tap into their emotional selves a lot better, and break down those self and socially-imposed walls that hold emotion back, and laugh and cry and tell people that they love them and sweat a lot and, well, i for one think that this is a good thing. I think we're all androgynous souls in gendered bodies and sometimes one can get a reminder of it, even if it's 'only a chemical' and/or 'only a dance party.' :) peace, brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 18:36:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA08855; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:36:27 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA08849; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:36:23 -0800 Received: from [206.123.34.132] (g34-132.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18696; Wed, 6 Mar 96 20:59:57 EST X-Sender: ecto@citenet.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:06:13 -0500 To: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> From: ecto@magnet.ca (ecto) Subject: Re: More on female dj's..... Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 3:19 PM 3/6/96, Leslie Ayres wrote: >We need the yin and the yang in our society, and we need to develop both sides >in ourselves as well. > >So, are men different from women? Amen, thank you lord, yes they are, >hallelujah! Are they better, more deserving of power, respect, whatever? No >way. Do I want my daughter to be "more like a man"? Nope, I want her to be >more like an independent, caring, thoughtful, considerate, courageous human >being! And an awesome woman to boot (which she is, hope you all get to meet >her!) You hit the nail on the head, IMHO. Yin and Yang. WHat i've figure out is that the difference between _this_ kind of duality, and the kind of Cartesian duality that is so prevelant in western society (as most of our ideas and beliefs are traced back through the enlightenment to rome and greece, etc) is that with Cartesian dualisms there is an implicit "better" and "worse" attributed to things, a heirarchy. Culture is better than nature, male is better than female, intellect and rationality is better than emotion and irrationality. And so on ad infinitum. Thing is, you need to understand the one to understand the other, and the one defines the other (of course, i'm now using the dialectic of 'one' and 'other' in order to try to get the idea that these dialectics suck! but such is language). I found much beauty and androgyny and confusion and chaos (those last two are 'good' things, IMHO) and shifting within the rave scene as far as gender and gender roles but we can always evolve so much further! :) peace, brad ps-->now, of course, i just posited a duality (western vs. eastern) and said that the eastern was better, so i am still falling into that old trap! ;) I suppose valuing the characteristics of both is what i'm gettin' at :) ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 18:46:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA09902; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:46:20 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA09826; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:44:49 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id SAA22096; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:44:25 -0800 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <199603070244.SAA22096@netcom21.netcom.com> Subject: Re: South Bay Ravers To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:44:24 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 877 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > There are a lot of South Bay ravers! I grew up in Santa Clara, and have > > lived in Sunnyvale, Campbell, and now San Jose. The Crew are South Bay > > inhabitants (my "core group" of party-going friends), too. > I live in Sunnyvale and work in Palo Alto... > Marisa I live in Sunnyvale too ("The Model City"). I can see you from my window, Marisa. Hiiiiiiiiiii :) Was that a Harmony about a month or so ago that was somewhere over by Almaden Expressway (87)? Anybody go to that? I went up to SF that night. I guess I just find it difficult to believe that I'd enjoy a party that went off down here. I'd just as well drive up to SF. I love SF, wish I could get a job there. In the "Model City", everyone's to bed right after prime time, right Marisa, right Eric? You can still sneak out at 1am and drive up to SF like I do :) -Darrel Etter darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 19:01:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA10955; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:01:36 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA10948; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:01:32 -0800 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id TAA11040; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:01:21 -0800 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id TAA26442; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:01:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:01:20 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: South Bay Ravers To: Marisa Giancarla-Wright cc: "Eric P. Peterson" , sfraves In-Reply-To: <199603070115.RAA00688@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Marisa Giancarla-Wright wrote: > > There are a lot of South Bay ravers! I grew up in Santa Clara, and have > > lived in Sunnyvale, Campbell, and now San Jose. The Crew are South Bay > > inhabitants (my "core group" of party-going friends), too. > I live in Sunnyvale and work in Palo Alto... > > Marisa > Do not forget that the Harmony crew is based in the South Bay!! =) Ran @ Dionysus Dreams { ;) } / =*=/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 19:12:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA11989; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:12:30 -0800 Received: from horatio.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA11983; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:12:26 -0800 Received: (from knegtel@localhost) by horatio.ucsf.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/GSC4.24) id TAA07162 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:12:23 -0800 From: "Ronald Knegtel" Message-Id: <9603061912.ZM7160@horatio.ucsf.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:12:23 -0800 In-Reply-To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) "RE: Random Hug Controversy" (Mar 6, 5:50pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mar 6, 5:50pm, Eric P. Peterson wrote: > Subject: RE: Random Hug Controversy > Here's my perspective, based on experience and personal preference: > > >>How do you feel about random raveboys hugging you at parties? Of course > >>one of the most special aspects of the scene is the open acceptance of > >>everyone and family atmosphere found at the best parties. However, I > >can't > >>help but notice that my new nameless friends have often passed ten other > >>males on their beeline over to embrace me, a young woman. Normally I find > >>physical touching from men without my prior consent to be rather > >intrusive, > >>but in these instances I am usually too *ecstatic* to view it from my > >>"real world" pespective, and instead happily return the hug. (Although > >>many times I've been approached by men who I am not attracted to who > >>immediately enfold me in their arms, without even the benefit of an > >>introduction). > >> > Introductions are better, then the hugs can follow once the names are known. That still sounds a bit too automatic for my taste. > >>What do you think? Are random hugs from guys a manifestation of universal > >>love, or an exploitation of women on e? > > Universal love, of course! (What about exploitation of men on e? Not that > I feel that way, just making a point :) ) I guess there is a fundamental difference in sex-drive between men and women (on e or not). This colours the whole hugging experience somewhat. The problem is that many people who joined the rave-scene while it was already going on for a while might have gotten an introduction like: "And you know what, everbody can just hug everybody and it's OK". Although this is as far as I'm concerned true most of the time, in some cases I've seen men taking advantage of that concept, or actually getting into raving because of the lowered social and especially sexual inhibitions. > >>In my e-galitarian moments, I love the thought of hugs being the new form > >>of introduction. Why does one need words first, an establishment of a > >>"relationship," or something in common, before we can show affection? If > >>affection came *first*, in the rave scene, and later outside of it, our > >>world would be transformed! > >> > >>If these anonymous "hello hugs" *were* common practice among everyone in > >>the scene, female-to-male, female-to-female, male-to-male, that would be > >an > >>amazingly beautiful thing. But as it stands now, is it just a rave > >>"pick-up line?" Or is female defensiveness a vestige of destructive, > >>outside-world attitudes? > >> > It's not a pick-up line with anyone I know, because we don't go to parties > to pick up on people, but to make new friends and spread love and joy. > Defensiveness, whether male or female, is indeed a vestige of destructive, > outside-world attitudes, if by that you mean the outside-the-rave-community > outside world. Here I feel you speak for yourself and the relatively small number of people on this list. These are people concerned with keeping the spirit of raving alive. There is a whole bunch of people out there who don't really understand. Personally I save the full-body hug for friends, male or female. In the case when I meet people for the first time, I usually first spend some time with them talking, dancing, whatever. If there is a connection, the hugs usually comes anyway and also in this case I do not differntiate between males or females (being a straight guy). With complete strangers I usually limit myself to a friendly pet on the shoulder or arm (after due time). Just my $0.02 The Frying Dutchman -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 19:53:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA15214; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:53:21 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA15142; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:52:53 -0800 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id TAA18031; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:52:02 -0800 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id TAA04166; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:52:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:52:00 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Boshko Abrams Subject: Thanks and more To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just wanted to thank all of the people that responded to my question about mixes on CD. I went to solid grooves, but they didn't have many, if any mixes on CD. So I ended up buying a few more tapes to add to my collection. The Simon mix from the Unity rave (1-3-96, 12-2 PM) really kicks. I also got this really funky mix by this guy, Hardkiss I can't remember his first name, but his slow groooooven beats and perfect mixes are unlike anything that I've heard before. After I bought the tapes I went to Tower records where I saw a few mixes by Tribal records and a series called DJ's take control. When I get more money I'll go ckeck some of them out. Talk to you all later. Live On, Matt Da Loaf From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 20:28:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA17844; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:28:43 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA17831; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:28:26 -0800 Received: from [128.32.91.95] (mmf25.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.95]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA24883 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:28:19 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:27:15 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anne asked me to forward this to all of you... >From: "anne petrie" >Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:00:27 -0800 >To: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) >Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >I too have had men hug me without even an introduction. Sometimes it feels >really nice & sweet; usually when the hug is not too long or too tight! > However I've had people hug me really hard for too long . . . once to the >point where I all the air was squeezed out of my lungs and I gasped for air! I >think that the hugs that go on for too long are exploitive acts. I have never >had the nerve to say, "Hey, please let go, I'm done hugging now!". I guess I >always felt like I didn't want to be the one to bring someones mood down. > >Crazy stuff happens when alot of people get together and altered states happen. > While I was stuck on the stairway at a party, a guy behind me dumped a pixie >stick on my shoulder and then licked my shoulder! Can you believe it? I >thought that was really rude. Then there are all the people who feel you up >when you're stuck in a crowd! I brought that up with some raver men, one of >them said, "C'mon take it as a compliment, when a beautiful woman goes by, >sometimes I just want to reach out and touch her!" I sort of understand, but >then again, I don't go to parties to get randomly felt up by strangers, so in >another way I don't understand at all. >Also, usually I don't wear clothes that are especially revealing. Generally, >I'm in a short sleeved shirt with jeans or overalls, so it doesn't look like >I'm trying to get "male" attention. So, its curious to me that this type of >thing happens. > >Well I guess this has strayed a bit from the "hug controversy", but I hope that >its still considered relevant. > >Hey guys! What do you think? Also, for the record, the vast majority of the >hugs that I've been involved with have been wonderful. And I'm not a >"man-hater." > > >warmly, > >-- >Anne Petrie >Third Wave Solutions, Inc. >E-mail: anne@source.net >Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 20:36:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA18378; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:36:42 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA18372; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:36:37 -0800 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id UAA23803; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:36:16 -0800 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id UAA07549; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:36:15 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:36:15 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Boshko Abrams Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy To: Nancy cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm a guy and I hug a lot of people, male or female. For me, hugging is my way of showing affection for my fellow raver as well as the human race. Where else in the world is there a place with people that open with feelings and emotions. Raves are places to make friends, and hugging is a great way of meeting somebody. Plus hugges feel soooooooo good! Matt Da Loaf > > > Hey Ravechicks! > > How do you feel about random raveboys hugging you at parties? Of course > one of the most special aspects of the scene is the open acceptance of > everyone and family atmosphere found at the best parties. However, I can't > help but notice that my new nameless friends have often passed ten other > males on their beeline over to embrace me, a young woman. Normally I find > physical touching from men without my prior consent to be rather intrusive, > but in these instances I am usually too *ecstatic* to view it from my > "real world" pespective, and instead happily return the hug. (Although > many times I've been approached by men who I am not attracted to who > immediately enfold me in their arms, without even the benefit of an > introduction). > > What do you think? Are random hugs from guys a manifestation of universal > love, or an exploitation of women on e? > > In my e-galitarian moments, I love the thought of hugs being the new form > of introduction. Why does one need words first, an establishment of a > "relationship," or something in common, before we can show affection? If > affection came *first*, in the rave scene, and later outside of it, our > world would be transformed! > > If these anonymous "hello hugs" *were* common practice among everyone in > the scene, female-to-male, female-to-female, male-to-male, that would be an > amazingly beautiful thing. But as it stands now, is it just a rave > "pick-up line?" Or is female defensiveness a vestige of destructive, > outside-world attitudes? > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 21:47:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA23983; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:47:04 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA23968; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:47:00 -0800 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id VAA03127; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:46:56 -0800 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA18381; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:46:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:46:53 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy To: Nancy cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Nancy wrote: > Anne asked me to forward this to all of you... > > >From: "anne petrie" > >Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:00:27 -0800 > >To: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) > >Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > >I too have had men hug me without even an introduction. Sometimes it feels > >really nice & sweet; usually when the hug is not too long or too tight! > > However I've had people hug me really hard for too long . . . once to the > >point where I all the air was squeezed out of my lungs and I gasped for air! I > >think that the hugs that go on for too long are exploitive acts. I have never > >had the nerve to say, "Hey, please let go, I'm done hugging now!". I guess I > >always felt like I didn't want to be the one to bring someones mood down. > > > >Crazy stuff happens when alot of people get together and altered states happen. > > While I was stuck on the stairway at a party, a guy behind me dumped a pixie > >stick on my shoulder and then licked my shoulder! Can you believe it? I > >thought that was really rude. Then there are all the people who feel you up > >when you're stuck in a crowd! I brought that up with some raver men, one of > >them said, "C'mon take it as a compliment, when a beautiful woman goes by, > >sometimes I just want to reach out and touch her!" I sort of understand, but > >then again, I don't go to parties to get randomly felt up by strangers, so in > >another way I don't understand at all. > >Also, usually I don't wear clothes that are especially revealing. Generally, > >I'm in a short sleeved shirt with jeans or overalls, so it doesn't look like > >I'm trying to get "male" attention. So, its curious to me that this type of > >thing happens. > > > >Well I guess this has strayed a bit from the "hug controversy", but I hope that > >its still considered relevant. > > > >Hey guys! What do you think? Also, for the record, the vast majority of the > >hugs that I've been involved with have been wonderful. And I'm not a > >"man-hater." > > > > > >warmly, > > > >-- > >Anne Petrie > >Third Wave Solutions, Inc. > >E-mail: anne@source.net > >Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. > > > > > I think folks need to focus on the R in PLUR. Practice your sensitivity and try to sense if the other person is wanting/needing a hug. Then ask!! Asking is esiential if you do not know the person and you wish to respect them as a human being (not as a pet that you can grab anytime you want). Some people are freaked out by personal contact and may have problems respecting YOU if you just grab them. I think anyone who touchs anyone in an unwelcome matter is gross and immature!! On the plus side if one is approached and touched in an unwelcome manner one can then learn to gain strength and experience in a distasteful situation which may be of help in the future. Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (peace out) / =*=/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 22:03:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA25532; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:03:54 -0800 Received: from whirlwind.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA25521; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:03:50 -0800 Received: by whirlwind.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-DomainOS) id AA15933; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:03:43 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:03:39 -0800 (PST) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@whirlwind.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: BM Winnebego responses !!! In-Reply-To: <199603022012.MAA09586@bass.hooked.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hope this year, rave camp will be a motor home of RVs. The two Organic brought up last year had such an odd feel to them out there. I don't know. There is somthing about going out to the playa, where you can experience something and not sit in an air conditioned portable piece of the city. Then again, maybe those experiences aren't for everyone or maybe people just don't want to experience them because mechinized comfort has engrained itself so well in our culture. dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 22:13:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA26429; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:13:39 -0800 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA26419; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:13:33 -0800 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id WAA04462; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:13:25 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199603070613.WAA04462@netcom16.netcom.com> Subject: RE: South Bay Ravers To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:13:24 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1072 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk As for where I've lived in the South Bay - Mountain View first , then San Jose , and now Sunnyvale. As for a South Bay scene - I'll have to say that I've been really poor about searching one out. There used to be the occasional thing at a place called One Step Beyond , but that place closed. Some other things I heard of got busted. There was a bar near the train tracks that had something on Sundays - but ???? Velvet Shop is still on Thursdays , but I haven't checked it out in a long time , not because of anything negative I've heard. I don't think it's fair to include Santa Cruz and Monterey in the "South Bay" catagory. Seems those folks have more sites to choose from. Maybe it's really underground , and I'm completely unaware of some wild alien plant of a South Bay scene happening right in my town or down the street. On the other hand , maybe getting out of the South Bay is one appeal of going to out-of-town raves! :-) I know some of the folks at Solid Grooves check out SFRaves - what do you folks say ? Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 22:32:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA28351; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:32:21 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA28328; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:32:15 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA01531 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.32.91.95] (mmf25.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.91.95]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA20244 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:30:22 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:29:17 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) Subject: Berkeley in the House! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Curious... How many UCB'ers out there? Could one of the fifty other people in this computer lab be an SFRaver, and we're sending messages back and forth, and DON'T EVEN KNOW IT?! ... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 23:00:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA00705; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:00:20 -0800 Received: from ix15.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA00696; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:00:17 -0800 Received: from by ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id WAA20331; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:59:41 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:59:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199603070659.WAA20331@ix15.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Okay, if the site for an SFR party hasn't been determined, here's a >possibly unrealistic, yet hopefully possible idea: what about >Tilden Park in the Berkeley Hills? There are several wide-open grassy >areas there, it's absolutely beautiful, there's Lake Anza, plenty >of sweeping views, parking, and it's pretty empty (no houses very close >by, so probably no noise complaints). >If anyone else who puts on outdoor parties sees this, they should >check it out as a possible site. Everytime my friends and I go >wandering around the trails up there, we always go, "God, this would >be *such* a great place for a rave!" I was actually thinking the same thing myself, back when FnF held their daytime thing. I had wondered if it was possible that it could be held there. And i do think it would be cool! There's a lotta areas with picnic tables & such, I'm sure there's a perfect spot somewhere in there with picnic tables & lotsa grassy areas to play in without being near too many other people. Does anybody know if this is a feasible spot? Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 23:27:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA03779; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:27:08 -0800 Received: from holland.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA03774; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:27:04 -0800 Received: from [153.37.82.85] (pool021.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.85]) by holland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA05817; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:26:53 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:26:50 +0200 To: Brenda Brewer From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) Subject: Re: How many people... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Bren wrote: >On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Andy Thomas wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress wrote: >> >> > Does anyone have a guestamate as to how many people are on this >>mailing list? >> >> 441 on the main list, 1044 calendar only (!) >> >> Andy >> > > wow..lotta lurkers...lurking's cool...:) > > bren Yeah and how many do you think might be BIG BROTHER...... just something to ponder.....hmmmmmmmm..... <<>> _@_/` ~\_e_/~ |_G_/~ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ ~/ }} (*) =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Mar 6 23:51:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA05994; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:51:14 -0800 Received: from holland.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA05980; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:51:11 -0800 Received: from [153.37.82.85] (pool021.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.85]) by holland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA07082; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:51:00 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:50:57 +0200 To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) Subject: RE: Random Hug Controversy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk - E shared: >Introductions are better, then the hugs can follow once the names are known= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 00:03:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA09468; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 00:03:28 -0800 Received: from holland.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA09457; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 00:03:08 -0800 Received: from [153.37.82.85] (pool021.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.85]) by holland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id AAA07673 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 00:02:49 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 00:02:47 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) Subject: INTROS Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk An idea I had while reading the hugs thread- wouldn't it be great if we knew every one's name before we walked up to him/her to talk to them ~telepathical maybe~ It is very hard to get any info while wild, crazy, fantastic music is echoing through your head. Try getting a name from some one by a speaker is virtually imposible...I once thought a guy named Jack was offering me crack.. maybe just paint your name on your forehead... we can skip the intro and go straight to the hug...:-D <<>> _@_/` ~\_e_/~ |_G_/~ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ ~/ }} (*) =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 01:51:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA20738; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:51:21 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA20729; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:51:18 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id BAA12540; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:51:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:51:11 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: "Eric P. Peterson" cc: Milton Cecil , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Led Zep's "Immigrant Song" sampled? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This may be old hat, but I'd like to know if there are any dance tracks out there that sample Led Zeppelin's "Immigrant Song". I think the intro drums and eerie wails would sound incredible with the right techno edge. If I were making such a track I think I might call it "The Immigrants Arrive At The Promised Land." 8) <<< Starchild >>> On Fri, 1 Mar 1996, Eric P. Peterson wrote: > My pleasure! I pride myself on my Led Zeppelin-related knowledge, so if > you ever have a question related to the band, or individual members, feel > free to ask! This goes to everyone who reads this :) > > - E > > Eric P. Peterson > Financial Assistant > N&CS Materials Management > Synopsys Inc. > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 03:20:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA02127; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:20:07 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA02119; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:20:05 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA10458; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:20:02 -0800 Received: (from acid23@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id DAA08077; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:16:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:16:14 -0800 (PST) From: Seth Joshua Horvitz Subject: Re: |NER| Fwd: so you wannna be a chill dj? To: Bryce Ryan cc: KaySEE , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603042042.MAA18986@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > >>when your spouse destroys your turntables because she doesnt like you > > > >>djing, learn to shrug it off and go out and dj. > > > >> > > > > Criticism of the above: This is making the assumption that all dj's are > > men. They are not. > > > it also assumes s heterosexuality :-) Actually, the original author of this post was using general language to refer to a rather amusing (in retrospect, at least) personal experience he had, and as far as I know, had no intention of excluding anyone or assuming anything about anyone else. He's a very open-minded guy, trust me :) -Seth From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 03:56:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA06598; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:56:54 -0800 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA06593; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:56:51 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id DAA24370; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:56:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199603071156.DAA24370@netcom16.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" , sf@cyborganic.com, twaxx@c2.org Subject: FWD: $20Million light show in SF 3/9 5:33AM Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 03:56:34 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Every fuckup has a silver lining... thanks NASA... ------- Forwarded Message CAPE CANAVERAL, FL (AP) -- The satellite that broke free from space shuttle Columbia will be visible next week to people looking skyward in cities across the country. The satellite and its dangling 12-mile cord will be visible to the naked eye just before sunrise as it travels through the sky, from the West Coast to the East. "It should be an absolutely awesome sight because the 20 kilometers of tether, assuming that it's all strung out, will be definitely visible," astronaut Jeffrey Hoffman said Tuesday from space shuttle Columbia. "It will be the only time for most people that they'll ever be able to see something in Earth orbit that's other than a point of light. They'll actually see a line moving through the sky," he said. Here is a list, provided by NASA, of some major cities over which the satellite will fly. The satellite is traveling in an elliptical orbit, between 200 and 250 miles above Earth. Times shown are local. The duration of each sighting will be from one to three minutes. SAN FRANCISCO March 9, 5:33 a.m. ------- End of Forwarded Message From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 08:08:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA25611; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:08:19 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA25604; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:08:16 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA01898; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:02:24 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603071602.IAA01898@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: South Bay Ravers To: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:02:23 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: <199603070244.SAA22096@netcom21.netcom.com> from "Darrel Etter" at Mar 6, 96 06:44:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 646 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Darrel, > I live in Sunnyvale too ("The Model City"). I can see you from my > window, Marisa. Hiiiiiiiiiii :) I usually keep my blinds open, like the view? LOL > I'd just as well drive up to SF. I love SF, wish I could get a job > there. In the "Model City", everyone's to bed right after prime time, > right Marisa, right Eric? You can still sneak out at 1am and drive up > to SF like I do :) Yep, the place does get quiet fairly early on, but I like that. Means if I'm not up to staying up late (and on non-rave nights I try to be in bed by 10:30) that I don't get disturbed... And SanFran is just a cool place, besides... :-) Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 08:12:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA25909; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:12:33 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA25900; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:12:30 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA01915; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:10:03 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603071610.IAA01915@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy To: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:10:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: from "Nancy" at Mar 6, 96 08:27:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 630 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anne, CO Nancy... > >thought that was really rude. Then there are all the people who feel you up > >when you're stuck in a crowd! I brought that up with some raver men, one of > >them said, "C'mon take it as a compliment, when a beautiful woman goes by, > >sometimes I just want to reach out and touch her!" I sort of understand, but > >then again, I don't go to parties to get randomly felt up by strangers, so in > >another way I don't understand at all. Hey, you mean there are parties I can go to where random strangers will feel me up? Which ones are these and please don't let them be ambient gatherings... Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 08:18:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA26571; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:18:38 -0800 Received: from ns.org.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA26563; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:18:33 -0800 Received: from Tim.isinc.insignia.com ([205.231.223.101]) by ns.org.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA08198 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:18:24 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.32.19960307162219.0066c6d4@email.org> X-Sender: knucklehead@email.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 08:22:19 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Tim (Knucklehead)" Subject: SFR BBQ & BEATS PICNIC PARTY UPDATE Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm getting a few replies on locations. Right now I'm putting them on a list and it will be part of the meeting on the 13th. So if I don't reply to you about your suggestions, don't worry, I have taken note of them. Also I would like to get as many people to come to the meeting as possible. This meeting will involve meeting new people for one, talking about locations, If we should keep the date of April 20th, DJ's, Sound systems, Food, Drinks, who can bring what, what to ask people to bring, and whatever else comes to mind at the meeting. So if you plan to attend and havn't e-mailed me yet please do so, that way I can get an ruff count on how many people will show up. If you would like to help with the planning but can't make it to the meeting please let me know. If it's because of a ride needed, we might be able to work out a ride for you. If it's because you have other plans that day, let me know and I can email you all the info that was gathered at the meeting. I will also want to have one or two more meetings to get last minute details and for people that want to help that couldn't make the 1st one. If you would like to call me, my number is 408-738-4443. Thanks Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 08:25:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA27494; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:25:59 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA27479; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:25:54 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA01994 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:24:53 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA01987 for marisaw@psiwa5.Syntex.Com; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:24:18 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603071624.IAA01987@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy To: marisaw@psiwa5.Syntex.Com (Marisa Giancarla-Wright) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:24:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199603071610.IAA01915@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> from "Marisa Giancarla-Wright" at Mar 7, 96 08:10:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 294 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oops, I wasn't clear on this: > Hey, you mean there are parties I can go to where random strangers will > feel me up? Which ones are these and please don't let them be ambient gatherings... When I re-read it I realized it wasn't clear that I would _want_ to go to such parties..... M. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 09:17:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA02819; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:17:38 -0800 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA02814; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:17:33 -0800 Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id JAA23736; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:16:28 -0800 Received: from schwa.eng.sun.com by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA28325; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:15:22 -0800 Received: by schwa.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01470; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:15:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:15:16 -0800 From: Troy.Sheets@Eng.Sun.COM (Troy Sheets) Message-Id: <199603071715.JAA01470@schwa.eng.sun.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: "Loved Up" Cc: socal-raves@ucsd.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk David (from sfraves) treated us to a great get together to view the rave drama "loved up" last night. "Loved Up" was written by a raver for the BBC. It was the first movie or TV show I have ever seen to have a plot based around a somewhat accurate depiction of the rave scene. The plot revolved around young women who comes from a troubled home (single, alcoholic mother) and brushes with the scene. It only takes about 5 minutes into the show before they are doing thier first hit of e together. This scene flashed through various phases of their trip, with extremely realistic accuracy. I wouldn't be suprised if they were actually doing e for the scene. "do you feel it yet... it takes about 35 minutes", "My jaw is a little sore, let me get you some gum", "Let's drink some water... we don't want to get dried out", "I gotta move". and the next day "It does not matter what else happens in my life, I have had the best evening ever" One of the things I like about the movie was the characters. They were not punk kids. Instead, they were responible, young adults trying to make it through life and have some fun along the way. The main guy was in is early 20's, lived in a nice artistic loft, and owned or managed a toy store (with a good supply of coosh balls). The girl was kind of stuck in a service job. The main girl (sorry, I forgot all the character's names) sees various aspects of the ecstasy scene, both good and bad. She has good experiences having fun with her new raver friends... One scene they find a mis-handled bag of mail... and hand deliver letter containing good news... and discard bills. They end up at many clubs that actually look like raves! But, she sees some dark sides of the scene also. They get stopped by the police and have their car searched (they get out of it). She gets involved with an unscrupulus e dealer. He tells her there are 3 pills he sells... the pure stuff for his friends and the people he sees on a regular basis... the "spiked" ones that give a rush then sort of fizzle out... and then the "dummies" for when he knows he will never see the people again. This dealer gets the girl involved in selling and she sees the a dark side of the drug culture. While on a deal she gets roughed up by a rival dealer... and the dealer she is involved with tries to rape her at a party. Yeah, not fun stuff at all. The dealer gives a little final speech, saying something to the effect of "this whole society is on the verge of total collapse... you will have to be tough and know how to survive... you weak people better be wearing helmets." On another level, the show deals with a common aspect of e- how it can create relationships based on the e experience. The "good" guy parties with the girl for a while, but they really don't have a relationship beyond the e scene. He makes it clear what the relationship is about... but it is still painful for the girl. She moves out of her troubled home and sort of emotionally neglects her little sister... who (with a drunk for a mom) has no one else to look up to. But, the girl tries really hard to stay in the scene with her new boyfriend, and take care of her sister (and take care of her mom also). If you have not guessed by now, this show was a melodrama about the rave scene. It got a little cheezy, but it was still amazing to watch a show that I felt accurately described a lot of the e scene. Of course, I didn't like the dealer trying to rape the girl... but remember that this is a BCC show... they can't be all rosey about the rave scene. Oh, and speaking of the BCC, this show had _detailed_ sex scenes that would barely slip into an "R" movie stateside... those crazy brits. Anyway, "loved up" was an interesting movie that was obviously written by someone who had a good idea about what the rave scene is all about. All I can say is that from watching that movie, the whole e scene in England must be pretty darn mainstream. A very stark contrast to how raves get into the media here. -troy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 09:26:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03759; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:26:33 -0800 Received: from alink-gw.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA03753; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:26:30 -0800 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com by alink-gw.apple.com with SMTP (921113.SGI.UNSUPPORTED_PROTOTYPE/7-Oct-1993-eef) id AA08042; Thu, 7 Mar 96 09:25:58 -0800 for sfraves@hyperreal.com Received: from gateway.apple.com (A17-130-8-39.apple.com [17.130.8.39]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA08806 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:24:37 -0800 Message-Id: Date: 7 Mar 1996 09:23:01 -0800 From: "Scott Nozawa" Subject: Re: South Bay Ravers To: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.3 b1 d5 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Subject: Time: 9:05 OFFICE MEMO RE>South Bay Ravers Date: 3/7/96 Hey gang, Lets see... if you are looking for something to do in the south bay area, it is true that we can't have all nighters do to lack of an after hours permit for SJ. But, There is something to do a few nights of the week. Tuesdays: Deep Space at Greg's Ballroom This is spuns gig and it has featured Djs like Markie, Doc, Jeno, Rick Preston, and next week Ernie. Thursdays: The Velvet Shop at the 4th St. bowl This party is in a cool little lounge area and has featured Garth, Jeno, Rick Preston, Harry Who?, and various other local Djs Fridays: This Friday a party called Smashing it will be held at the Usual (F/X) Every Friday after that Souled Out which is Rick and Julius' party it features them and local Djs Sundays: Quench at the Usual This is SJs newest party and has been doing quite well. It's resident Djs are Rick Preston and Ryan Tapia. They feature big name Djs and locals every week. In fact... This Sunday I will be playing with Mark Farina, so please come on down and check it out. I think it will be worth your while. If this doesn't do it for you, go down to Solid Grooves on Bascom, they have many fliers and always know what is going on in the South Bay. Peace for now... Tamotsu From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 09:30:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA04156; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:30:59 -0800 Received: from ng.netgate.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA04150; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:30:57 -0800 Received: from steve (d3.netgate.net [205.214.160.35]) by ng.netgate.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA24067 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:39:29 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.32.19960307173218.006811d4@bodac.com> X-Sender: bodac@bodac.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 09:32:18 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Steve Woltosz Subject: HELLLLLOOO Again!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings.... Well, after many many attempts over the last two months...I finally figured out why I could receive all the sfraves mailings, but couldn't write to ya'll. Because my pop account was incorrectly set in my Eudora preferences. Soooooo....the mailer didn't recognize me (boo hoo) whenever I would try to post. Anyway's to catch up: All those parties in late '95...WOW and Begin Again at New Years....Hit me Rocket Man...wasn't God there too??? Oh, and almost forgot Halloooowwweeeennn F&F. Did ya like the Odwalla?? ...and on...and on....and on!!!! Steve :) "I gEt GoOsEbuMps whEn tHE baSElinE tHuMps !!!!!" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 09:53:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA06464; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:53:54 -0800 Received: from eagle by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA06439; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:53:42 -0800 Received: from sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by eagle (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id JAA22657; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:52:48 -0800 Received: from ifs2.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21270; Thu, 7 Mar 96 09:52:25 PST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 09:52:25 PST From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Message-Id: <9603071752.AA21270@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: 71165.755@compuserve.com, sidewalk@uclink2.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I went to a friend's birthday party at Tilden park - it IS absolutely beautiful and there are lots of little nook "sub parks" nestled in the hills where you can have a great space all to yoursel(f/ves).... jim thompson - cube root fact axon info grid data fate ::: ..::. ....: ::::.:::::: . ....::... :: .:..::::: ....:::.....::.:::::::::.. .. :..::::: .:.:..:.. ..: ...::::..:. . ...:: : .... :........:.: ..... ::... .::::::: ...:::: ... :..... ..::... :::..:::....:: .:......::.. :::::.:: ::..... LISTEN until you UNDERSTAND! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 09:56:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA06610; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:56:20 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA06601; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:56:13 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18522(12)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:55:36 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2168>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:55:30 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Subject: RE: South Bay Ravers To: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1072 Message-Id: <96Mar7.095530pst.2168@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:19:28 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk As for where I've lived in the South Bay - Mountain View first , then San Jose , and now Sunnyvale. As for a South Bay scene - I'll have to say that I've been really poor about searching one out. There used to be the occasional thing at a place called One Step Beyond , but that place closed. Some other things I heard of got busted. There was a bar near the train tracks that had something on Sundays - but ???? Velvet Shop is still on Thursdays , but I haven't checked it out in a long time , not because of anything negative I've heard. I don't think it's fair to include Santa Cruz and Monterey in the "South Bay" catagory. Seems those folks have more sites to choose from. Maybe it's really underground , and I'm completely unaware of some wild alien plant of a South Bay scene happening right in my town or down the street. On the other hand , maybe getting out of the South Bay is one appeal of going to out-of-town raves! :-) I know some of the folks at Solid Grooves check out SFRaves - what do you folks say ? Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 09:58:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA06801; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:58:40 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA06790; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:58:37 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <17449(11)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:55:56 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2186>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:55:51 -0800 From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <96Mar7.095551pst.2186@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:20:30 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Okay, if the site for an SFR party hasn't been determined, here's a >possibly unrealistic, yet hopefully possible idea: what about >Tilden Park in the Berkeley Hills? There are several wide-open grassy >areas there, it's absolutely beautiful, there's Lake Anza, plenty >of sweeping views, parking, and it's pretty empty (no houses very close >by, so probably no noise complaints). >If anyone else who puts on outdoor parties sees this, they should >check it out as a possible site. Everytime my friends and I go >wandering around the trails up there, we always go, "God, this would >be *such* a great place for a rave!" I was actually thinking the same thing myself, back when FnF held their daytime thing. I had wondered if it was possible that it could be held there. And i do think it would be cool! There's a lotta areas with picnic tables & such, I'm sure there's a perfect spot somewhere in there with picnic tables & lotsa grassy areas to play in without being near too many other people. Does anybody know if this is a feasible spot? Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 10:06:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA07539; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:06:10 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA07526; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:06:05 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18595(10)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:04:23 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2247>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:04:12 -0800 From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy To: Nancy cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <96Mar7.100412pst.2247@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:26:11 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well, i generally think hugs are pretty nice and innocent adn friendly at raves, and is the guy is particularly touchy or icky, o' drag, its just a random bad seed. I like hugging everyone even just as an introduction, but we must be sensitive to others preceptions. unfortuantly we do have to be cuatious, but lets not be defensive. HUGZ HUGZ HUGZ :) Jamie Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Nancy wrote: > > > Hey Ravechicks! > > How do you feel about random raveboys hugging you at parties? Of course > one of the most special aspects of the scene is the open acceptance of > everyone and family atmosphere found at the best parties. However, I can't > help but notice that my new nameless friends have often passed ten other > males on their beeline over to embrace me, a young woman. Normally I find > physical touching from men without my prior consent to be rather intrusive, > but in these instances I am usually too *ecstatic* to view it from my > "real world" pespective, and instead happily return the hug. (Although > many times I've been approached by men who I am not attracted to who > immediately enfold me in their arms, without even the benefit of an > introduction). > > What do you think? Are random hugs from guys a manifestation of universal > love, or an exploitation of women on e? > > In my e-galitarian moments, I love the thought of hugs being the new form > of introduction. Why does one need words first, an establishment of a > "relationship," or something in common, before we can show affection? If > affection came *first*, in the rave scene, and later outside of it, our > world would be transformed! > > If these anonymous "hello hugs" *were* common practice among everyone in > the scene, female-to-male, female-to-female, male-to-male, that would be an > amazingly beautiful thing. But as it stands now, is it just a rave > "pick-up line?" Or is female defensiveness a vestige of destructive, > outside-world attitudes? > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 10:15:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA08466; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:15:17 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA08454; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:15:13 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18625(7)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:14:27 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2326>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:08:28 -0800 To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" , sf@cyborganic.com, twaxx@c2.org Subject: FWD: $20Million light show in SF 3/9 5:33AM From: "Niels P. Mayer" Message-Id: <96Mar7.100828pst.2326@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:33:01 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Every fuckup has a silver lining... thanks NASA... ------- Forwarded Message CAPE CANAVERAL, FL (AP) -- The satellite that broke free from space shuttle Columbia will be visible next week to people looking skyward in cities across the country. The satellite and its dangling 12-mile cord will be visible to the naked eye just before sunrise as it travels through the sky, from the West Coast to the East. "It should be an absolutely awesome sight because the 20 kilometers of tether, assuming that it's all strung out, will be definitely visible," astronaut Jeffrey Hoffman said Tuesday from space shuttle Columbia. "It will be the only time for most people that they'll ever be able to see something in Earth orbit that's other than a point of light. They'll actually see a line moving through the sky," he said. Here is a list, provided by NASA, of some major cities over which the satellite will fly. The satellite is traveling in an elliptical orbit, between 200 and 250 miles above Earth. Times shown are local. The duration of each sighting will be from one to three minutes. SAN FRANCISCO March 9, 5:33 a.m. ------- End of Forwarded Message From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 10:19:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA08865; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:19:13 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA08806; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:19:06 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18641(14)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:18:26 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2252>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:04:17 -0800 From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? To: moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net cc: anthrax@uclink.berkeley.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603061942.LAA19230@capt.hooked.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <96Mar7.100417pst.2252@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:26:24 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Mar 1996 moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net wrote: > On Wed, Mar 6, 1996 9:01:15 AM at Ann Elizabeth Loraine wrote: > > >Dear Tim, > > > >Yay!! Thanks for volunteering your barbecue equipment! > > > >I agree that beach would be the best place for the party. What about > >doing a daytime party at Bonny Doon? It could be a beach clean-up party, > > >perhaps, so that the Santa Cruz folks will be okay with it. > > > > > >I remember there was a Bonny Doon clean-up party a while ago. Does > >anybody who was involved in organizing it have any tips on how to go > >about getting permission to use that space? > > > >Panther Beach might also be an option. I guess the drawbacks are that > >it's not really centrally located. > > > >Maybe it would be a good idea to start looking around for sound equipment > > >that someone might be willing to volunteer. Also, I think it would be a > >good idea to ask for donations from people to cover costs of the sound > >equipment as it would be nice to give that person a bit of cash to pay > >for cleaning and maintenance, since outdoor parties tend to be a bit hard > > >on sound equipment. Also it might be necessary to rent a generator- for > >a big one, I think it's usually about $50 or so for the day. I usually > >go to Big4Rents for that. > > > I can voulenteer my turntables and mixer and if the weathers right I can > bring my denon CD mixer, and dat machine to record the music......but I > have no speakers and no amps and no generater. moonpup > >-Ann > >http://hyperreal.com/raves/newmoon > > > > > > > I have a biamped sound system-- Community csx-52s for top cabinets (3-ways with 15 inch woofer), ashley x-over, incredible BGW amp and crown macrotech amp. Would need some sub-cabinets and a monitor system if a DJ was spinning Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (ho ho ho) / =*=/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 10:38:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA06957; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:00:50 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA06951; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:00:46 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18565(2)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:59:50 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2214>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:59:41 -0800 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, Ann Elizabeth Loraine Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's References: <199603050946.BAA15607@uclink.berkeley.edu> Message-Id: <96Mar7.095941pst.2214@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:24:34 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 10:41:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA07484; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:05:57 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA07137; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:02:49 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18229(1)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:59:52 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2209>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:59:37 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: epaul@synopsys.com (Eric P. Peterson) From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) Subject: RE: Random Hug Controversy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <96Mar7.095937pst.2209@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:24:20 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk - E shared: >Introductions are better, then the hugs can follow once the names are known= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 10:44:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA06711; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:57:33 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA06676; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:57:01 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18423(1)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:55:55 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2177>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:55:45 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) Subject: Berkeley in the House! Message-Id: <96Mar7.095545pst.2177@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:19:55 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Curious... How many UCB'ers out there? Could one of the fifty other people in this computer lab be an SFRaver, and we're sending messages back and forth, and DON'T EVEN KNOW IT?! ... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 10:47:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA07149; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:02:51 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA06969; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:00:57 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18557(4)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:59:46 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2205>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:59:36 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: fixer@ramona.cyborganic.com Cc: zahed@sfbayguardian.com, socal-raves@ucsd.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NON RAVE: Anyone need a job in San Francisco? Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Message-Id: <96Mar7.095936pst.2205@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:24:09 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk how soon do you need a resume? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 10:50:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA07555; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:06:14 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA07534; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:06:08 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18583(9)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:03:34 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2234>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:03:21 -0800 From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Thanks for the responses!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <96Mar7.100321pst.2234@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:25:35 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone for responding to my keyboard, headphone, record, and floyd question. You have all been a huge help in answering my questions. I have my work cut out for me in locating a keyboard as well as those rising high records. As for headphones it sounds like Sony is the popular choice. Thanks again! love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 10:52:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA06625; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:56:27 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA06606; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:56:18 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18347(9)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:55:30 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2154>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:55:23 -0800 From: "'Dave Bayer'" To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: BM Winnebego responses !!! In-Reply-To: <199603022012.MAA09586@bass.hooked.net> Message-Id: <96Mar7.095523pst.2154@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:18:46 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hope this year, rave camp will be a motor home of RVs. The two Organic brought up last year had such an odd feel to them out there. I don't know. There is somthing about going out to the playa, where you can experience something and not sit in an air conditioned portable piece of the city. Then again, maybe those experiences aren't for everyone or maybe people just don't want to experience them because mechinized comfort has engrained itself so well in our culture. dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 10:55:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA06719; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:57:39 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA06695; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:57:16 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18540(9)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:55:41 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2170>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:55:30 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? To: lmnt@nixon.ind.net (ed colmar) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "ed colmar" at Mar 6, 96 04:59:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 586 Message-Id: <96Mar7.095530pst.2170@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:19:34 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oops! Please disregard what I said about renting a generator!! -Ann > > I'd *love* to bring my generator to power a soundsystem... > > And if we plan on going into the darkness hours, I could even bring my > intelligent lights... > > Any chance of a vegan BBQ expert??? =) > > ::hugs:: > > e > > _______ _____________________________ > | CDJ LMNT | > | Aural Pilot | /| > _______| HTTP://nixon.ind.net/~lmnt/ |_______|/ |__________________ > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 10:57:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA07535; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:06:08 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA07523; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:06:04 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18598(10)>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:04:24 PST Received: by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com id <2240>; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:04:11 -0800 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Subject: Re: South Bay Ravers To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 877 Message-Id: <96Mar7.100411pst.2240@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:25:53 PST Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > There are a lot of South Bay ravers! I grew up in Santa Clara, and have > > lived in Sunnyvale, Campbell, and now San Jose. The Crew are South Bay > > inhabitants (my "core group" of party-going friends), too. > I live in Sunnyvale and work in Palo Alto... > Marisa I live in Sunnyvale too ("The Model City"). I can see you from my window, Marisa. Hiiiiiiiiiii :) Was that a Harmony about a month or so ago that was somewhere over by Almaden Expressway (87)? Anybody go to that? I went up to SF that night. I guess I just find it difficult to believe that I'd enjoy a party that went off down here. I'd just as well drive up to SF. I love SF, wish I could get a job there. In the "Model City", everyone's to bed right after prime time, right Marisa, right Eric? You can still sneak out at 1am and drive up to SF like I do :) -Darrel Etter darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 11:31:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA13663; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:11:42 -0800 Received: from elroy.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA13655; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:11:38 -0800 Received: by elroy.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.1) id LAA20036; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:11:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:11:20 -0800 (PST) From: Uncle Noah X-Sender: ez031733@elroy.ucdavis.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: flashbacks? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't know if I am getting psychic or if I am having flashbacks or what, but it seems like I keep getting random postings to this group two or even three times... Sometimes I even get a reply to a post as much as a whole day before I get the original post... Should I go seek professional help, or are these the strange EMAILings that others have been speaking of? :D --+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+--- "Uncle" Noah Apodaca - napodaca@ucdavis.edu Student, Disc Jockey, Resident Advisor From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 11:56:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA17058; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:56:30 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA17019; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:56:15 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA28877 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:56:08 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id LAA26117; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:51:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:51:12 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Come-Unity To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I finally ended up going to Come-Unity for a couple of hours. I am so glad I did. It felt so good to dance and feel the abundant energy in the air. It was a really wonderful party. The crowd was great, different than your usual rave, but great none-the-less. I had to leave around 2:30, so I imagine it got even better at that point. Sorry I had to miss that. I loved all of the ppl dancing on the stage behind the dj. They were so happy and gave it such a tribal feeling. One sad thing happened, although not related to the party. On my way out two men were harrassing a homeless man. The homeless man was the rastafari-type guy who had incense in his hair and very colorful clothes. My friend and I walked by as the two men got out of their car. The homeless man asked them for a penny. They mocked him and said they "didn't have a fucking penny." But "they did have 25 pennies" and then proceeded to throw a quarter at the man. The whole incident was so shocking. I couldn't believe how angry the men were. Feeling very sad at how they had treated a fellow human being who was less fortunate than themselves, and treating this like it was a crime, made me react instantly. I ran back to the man and gave him a dollar and told him that not all human beings are so cruel. I know a dollar isn't anything, but all human beings deserve dignity and respect, and I hoped that he could at least acknowledge that some of us respect others in such a way. I know I didn't solve any of the world's problems, but I am so glad I did something instead of nothing, if only giving the man a bit of dignity. I still don't comprehend the anger of the two men. It is so bizarre and foreign to me. Especially coming out of the joy of Come-Unity to be thrust once again abruptly into reality. Anyway, I am rambling... free your heart, kc kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu .*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* "Talk is cheap..." On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Wayne D. Correia wrote: > I am going, no matter what. It is the 5 year anniversary so it's gotta be > attended! > > -w > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > Wayne D. Correia > 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 > San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 11:56:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA17093; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:56:43 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA17057; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:56:30 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA31415; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:56:26 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id LAA26542; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:52:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:52:38 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: flashbacks? To: Uncle Noah cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think that hyperreal is having problems. Responses that I got back concerning problems I was having, most others have to. kc kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu .*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* "Talk is cheap..." On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Uncle Noah wrote: > > I don't know if I am getting psychic or if I am having flashbacks or > what, but it seems like I keep getting random postings to this group two > or even three times... Sometimes I even get a reply to a post as much as > a whole day before I get the original post... > Should I go seek professional help, or are these the strange EMAILings > that others have been speaking of? > :D > > --+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+--- > > "Uncle" Noah Apodaca - napodaca@ucdavis.edu > Student, Disc Jockey, Resident Advisor > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 12:04:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA17693; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:04:11 -0800 Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA17642; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:04:03 -0800 Received: from [153.37.99.61] (pool061.Max2.San-Francisco.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.99.61]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id MAA18094 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:02:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:02:29 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: cnielsen@earthlink.net (Cortney Nielson) Subject: lack of female DJs Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here's my opinion: If the DJ rocks the house, than that's all that matters. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 12:05:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA17805; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:05:09 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA17797; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:05:05 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA02528; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:57:05 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603071957.LAA02528@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: flashbacks? To: napodaca@ucdavis.edu (Uncle Noah) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:57:04 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: from "Uncle Noah" at Mar 7, 96 11:11:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 457 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I don't know if I am getting psychic or if I am having flashbacks or > what, but it seems like I keep getting random postings to this group two Me too. Sometimes the 2nd copy comes in a day or more after the original. > or even three times... Sometimes I even get a reply to a post as much as > a whole day before I get the original post... This happens to me as well, I see the response several days ahead of the original sometimes. Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 13:20:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA24860; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:20:51 -0800 Received: from compute.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA24787; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:19:53 -0800 From: teena@lioness.compute.com Received: from lioness.compute.com by compute.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23467; Thu, 7 Mar 96 13:18:42 PST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 13:13:34 PST Subject: Sunday To: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm going to be up this weekend (from LA) & was wondering what to do Sunday night. Any suggestions? Thnx. Teena From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 13:39:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26449; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:39:45 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA26423; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:39:19 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id SAA17925; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:34:48 -0300 Received: from du-76.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-76.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.76]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id SAA00587; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:34:43 -0300 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:34:43 -0300 Message-Id: <199603072134.SAA00587@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Re: paging Syd Barrett Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk A >Syd's GOTTA love the rave scene; finally the music has caught up with > his mind; I don't really think so. I have a friend who is a big PF fan. In my case, ecept from some of Sid's solo works and "let's make love in London" the Floyd does not say a word to me. I remember him telling me that Syd lives with his mom, who has to take care of him until today. They live mostly from $$$ from his songs and albums. He kinda freaked out, really, and he hardly does anything else except watching TV. There were various attempts to treat him, but, for some reason, he seems too distant to come back to real life. I don't think he would have probably been a raver now, or even into the rave scene, but I am quite sure some of his ideas are present on some of the world's Rave scenes. ;) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 13:40:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26513; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:40:17 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA26503; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:40:10 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA10104 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:37:06 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA16428; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:37:05 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08813; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:37:02 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:40:48 -0800 To: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: How many people... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Bren wrote: >>On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Andy Thomas wrote: >> >>> >>> On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress wrote: >>> >>> > Does anyone have a guestamate as to how many people are on this >>>mailing list? >>> >>> 441 on the main list, 1044 calendar only (!) >>> >>> Andy >>> >> >> wow..lotta lurkers...lurking's cool...:) >> >> bren > >Yeah and how many do you think might be BIG BROTHER...... > just something to ponder.....hmmmmmmmm..... > > <<>> Can we hug Big Brother? :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 13:44:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26831; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:44:24 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA26813; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:44:08 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA10356 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:41:57 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA16845; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:41:56 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09622; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:41:53 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:45:38 -0800 To: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: INTROS Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >An idea I had while reading the hugs thread- > >wouldn't it be great if we knew every one's name before we walked up to >him/her to talk to them ~telepathical maybe~ > It is very hard to get any info while wild, crazy, fantastic music is >echoing through your head. Try getting a name from some one by a speaker >is virtually imposible...I once thought a guy named Jack was offering me >crack.. > >maybe just paint your name on your forehead... we can skip the intro and go >straight to the hug...:-D > > <<>> I usually wear a bright green butterfly on a darker green ribbon, and on one side it has my name (so I'll remember who I am :) ). If anyone can't catch my name for the noise, I show the name side. - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 14:01:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26864; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:44:35 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA26442; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:39:34 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id SAA18030; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:35:05 -0300 Received: from du-76.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-76.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.76]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id SAA00672; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:34:57 -0300 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:34:57 -0300 Message-Id: <199603072134.SAA00672@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Bart Cheever" , "sfraves* " From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Re: Record Crates Needed Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 01:06 PM 3/4/96 U, Bart Cheever wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions where I can get flight cases for my records cheap? > I saw them in a Hip-Hop shop before Haight & Ashbury.. actually on haight, not very far from Luv'N'Haight's shop. Hope it helps. actually I have only been to SF twice, so i am not aware exactly where this shop is located at> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 14:16:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA29172; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:16:13 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA29155; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:15:56 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA11907 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:14:50 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA19641; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:14:48 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA15899; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:14:43 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:18:31 -0800 To: "Ronald Knegtel" From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You said: Here I feel you speak for yourself and the relatively small number of people on this list. These are people concerned with keeping the spirit of raving alive. There is a whole bunch of people out there who don't really understand. Personally I save the full-body hug for friends, male or female. In the case when I meet people for the first time, I usually first spend some time with them talking, dancing, whatever. If there is a connection, the hugs usually comes anyway and also in this case I do not differntiate between males or females (being a straight guy). With complete strangers I usually limit myself to a friendly pet on the shoulder or arm (after due time). I say: Very good points! I never want to scare anyone, and my hugs are NEVER meant to carray any kind of sexual connotation. I just think it's a better expression of acceptance and friendliness than a handshake, but I'm still careful not to force it. :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 14:23:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA29811; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:23:47 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA29721; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:23:18 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA12263 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:22:49 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA20342; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:22:48 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA17504; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:22:44 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:26:31 -0800 To: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Anne asked me to forward this to all of you... > >>From: "anne petrie" >>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:00:27 -0800 >>To: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) >>Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >>I too have had men hug me without even an introduction. Sometimes it feels >>really nice & sweet; usually when the hug is not too long or too tight! >> However I've had people hug me really hard for too long . . . once to the >>point where I all the air was squeezed out of my lungs and I gasped for >>air! I >>think that the hugs that go on for too long are exploitive acts. I have never >>had the nerve to say, "Hey, please let go, I'm done hugging now!". I guess I >>always felt like I didn't want to be the one to bring someones mood down. >> >>Crazy stuff happens when alot of people get together and altered states >>happen. >> While I was stuck on the stairway at a party, a guy behind me dumped a pixie >>stick on my shoulder and then licked my shoulder! Can you believe it? I >>thought that was really rude. Then there are all the people who feel you up >>when you're stuck in a crowd! I brought that up with some raver men, one of >>them said, "C'mon take it as a compliment, when a beautiful woman goes by, >>sometimes I just want to reach out and touch her!" I sort of understand, but >>then again, I don't go to parties to get randomly felt up by strangers, so in >>another way I don't understand at all. >>Also, usually I don't wear clothes that are especially revealing. Generally, >>I'm in a short sleeved shirt with jeans or overalls, so it doesn't look like >>I'm trying to get "male" attention. So, its curious to me that this type of >>thing happens. >> >>Well I guess this has strayed a bit from the "hug controversy", but I >>hope that >>its still considered relevant. >> >>Hey guys! What do you think? Also, for the record, the vast majority of the >>hugs that I've been involved with have been wonderful. And I'm not a >>"man-hater." >> >> >>warmly, >> >>-- >>Anne Petrie >>Third Wave Solutions, Inc. >>E-mail: anne@source.net >>Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. >> Wow! What you went through totally sucks!!! It's 100% wrong for someone to "reach out and touch" the way you described. I've seen gals being taken advantage of by men at parties, due to their state of mind, and even if it doesn't look like the gal objects, maybe she's in no condition to do anything about it. I would rush to the defense of someone who was being bothered (without fighting, of course), because that's not in the spirit of what we're trying to promote, is it? When I meet you, (all of you) I'll ask you name, and how ya doin', give my name, and if the mood strikes me, I'll either extend my arms in a hugging gesture or ask if you'd like a hug, and whether or not you agree, I'll respond with RESPECT. Believe it! :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 14:37:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA01208; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:37:49 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA01181; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:37:32 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA13077 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:37:16 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA21488; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:37:14 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA20272; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:37:11 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:40:56 -0800 To: Starchild From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Led Zep's "Immigrant Song" sampled? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >This may be old hat, but I'd like to know if there are any dance tracks >out there that sample Led Zeppelin's "Immigrant Song". I think the intro >drums and eerie wails would sound incredible with the right techno edge. >If I were making such a track I think I might call it "The Immigrants >Arrive At The Promised Land." 8) > > <<< Starchild >>> > Oh! That would be soooooo coooooool!!! Led Zeppelin is my all-time favorite band, and I'd get off like nobody's business if I heard ANY Zep at a party (didn't know other ravers liked it)! I can totally hear that intro used as a build-up, looped so it can go over and over as the beats pummel us, and that wail...I hope someone picks up on the idea and runs with it :) Thanx, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 14:43:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA01858; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:43:43 -0800 Received: from igate1.hac.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA01852; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:43:39 -0800 From: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com Received: from EDEN1.HAC.COM by igate1.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02664; Thu, 7 Mar 96 14:40:44 PST Received: from DECNET-MAIL (SCRUTON@JOYCE) by EDEN1.HAC.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #5884) id <01I2275BSQHC0012DC@EDEN1.HAC.COM>; Thu, 07 Mar 1996 14:43:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 14:43:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: WAV soundfile question To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <01I2275BUCCI0012DC@EDEN1.HAC.COM> X-Vms-To: EDEN1::IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey, i'm trying to get a sample of thee-o online, it's at http://hyperreal.com/~scruton/bio.html BUT, everyone who tries it says it's corrupted! the weird thing is, MY pc at home and my workstation are BOTH playing the sample just fine. it's a WAV file, and it's at 16kHz stereo. is there anything wrong with the sample rate or the fact that there are two channels maybe? (is there a sample guru in the house!!!) Dave Scruton From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 15:00:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA03471; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:00:53 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA03399; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:00:43 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA14218 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:00:37 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA23443; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:00:35 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA24407; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:00:28 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:04:12 -0800 To: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: South Bay Ravers Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sunnyvale's light on the night-life scene, unless there's a Sydney Page show happening :):):) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 15:08:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA04314; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:08:16 -0800 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA04296; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:08:09 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA09351 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:07:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:07:26 -0500 Message-ID: <960307180726_240211827@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Random hugz,o()o,take that, and that Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Re the boy girl hugz prefs: yes I will be more quick to hug a woman, sometimes it feels better, we're so busy being manly all the time, that the need for female energy sometimes gets out of control, so please, if you see me comin at you with my arms open wide, please don't deny me. But I'll be sure to get your name first. And should I sense you find me "icky", Ill have the consideration to seek alternatives. Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 15:11:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA04626; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:11:43 -0800 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA04621; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:11:40 -0800 Received: from [153.37.82.70] (pool006.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.70]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA28480 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:10:15 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:11:13 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) Subject: Re: STC/Ae Tour Dates Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I got a flyer the other day .... space children's an evening with....autechre(uk) mark broom(uk) jonah sharp, graeme, gamall and other space children dj's friday march 15th 1996 415.273.1622 don't know anything about Virgin apperance though....wish I could go __/-^-\__ <<<>>> `'\-*-/`' _@_/` ~\_e_/~ |_G_/~ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ ~/ }} (*) =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 15:12:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA02273; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:48:24 -0800 Received: from ea.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA02246; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:48:02 -0800 Received: from pcsmtp2.ea.com (easales.ea.com [159.153.94.37]) by ea.com (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id OAA05751; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:47:22 -0800 Received: by pcsmtp2.ea.com with Microsoft Mail id <313F68DE@pcsmtp2.ea.com>; Thu, 07 Mar 96 14:53:18 PST From: "Davis, Bryan" To: napodaca , sfraves-owner Cc: sfraves Subject: RE: flashbacks? Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 14:47:00 PST Message-ID: <313F68DE@pcsmtp2.ea.com> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ummm i haven't seen that myself...but i have noticed that i'll post and it wont show up until a few days later....weird..eh? ---------- From: sfraves-owner[SMTP:sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 1996 11:57 AM To: napodaca Cc: sfraves Subject: Re: flashbacks? > I don't know if I am getting psychic or if I am having flashbacks or > what, but it seems like I keep getting random postings to this group two Me too. Sometimes the 2nd copy comes in a day or more after the original. > or even three times... Sometimes I even get a reply to a post as much as > a whole day before I get the original post... This happens to me as well, I see the response several days ahead of the original sometimes. Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 15:28:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA05872; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:28:06 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA05862; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:28:01 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA15439 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:27:47 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA25773; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:27:46 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29692; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:27:43 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:31:28 -0800 To: SteveOSac@aol.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Led Zep Remakes Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Okay then smarty pants's, who does the white label bootleg trance remake of >the l.z. song "baby, i'm gonna leave you", I don't actually know the song >name, but that is the dominant vocal line, oh, and a lot of baby,baby,baby's. > (If this is the song you guys are talking about, please visualize my foot in >my mouth now), if not, keep an ear out for my next tape. This is a very >bootyfull song, long, building, with the boom ba blick clack rhytm of a >freight train. Not the cleanest production, but better than this guys queen >remakes (that's a hint). >Happy Housemaking, >Steveo I haven't heard any Zep remakes within the scene yet. I'm totally interested, though! The song is called "Babe, I'm gonna leave you" and appears in it's original form on Led Zeppelin I. It's an excellent example of what they were into: light and shade, dynamics of soft, sweet sounds and powerful thunder, and influences from the blues. If you can stomach this, Great White covered the song on an MTV Unplugged, and for a cover it sounded wonderful! So, you gonna mix the mighty Zep? Go for it, and keep me posted! :) - E. P. P. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 15:29:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA05986; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:29:53 -0800 Received: from isis.source.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA05967; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:29:40 -0800 Received: by isis.source.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id PAA01552; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:22:32 -0800 From: "anne petrie" Message-Id: <9603071522.ZM1550@isis.source.net> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:22:22 -0800 In-Reply-To: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) "INTROS" (Mar 7, 12:02am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) Subject: Re: INTROS Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Austin W wrote: >maybe just paint your name on your forehead... we can skip the intro and go >straight to the hug...:-D Maybe we should all wear those little, "Hello, my name is _____" stick-on nametags. It would be just like being at a convention! ;) warmly, -- Anne Petrie Third Wave Solutions, Inc. E-mail: anne@source.net Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 15:46:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA07373; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:46:38 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA07348; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:46:29 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA26338; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:12:29 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA08917; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:12:20 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: "Eric P. Peterson" cc: Ronald Knegtel , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi all, i think a nice gesture is to ask... if you feel the energy is right and the person is accepting to that. you can't assume that everyone's boundaries are the same as yours. when you respect another's boundaries out of love and concern for them, it can make you feel just as good as giving them an actual hug. IMHO, it's not the form (the hug) but the energy (feeling warm and fuzzy). brenda :) On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Eric P. Peterson wrote: > You said: > Here I feel you speak for yourself and the relatively small number of people > on this list. These are people concerned with keeping the spirit of raving > alive. There is a whole bunch of people out there who don't really understand. > Personally I save the full-body hug for friends, male or female. In the case > when I meet people for the first time, I usually first spend some time with > them talking, dancing, whatever. If there is a connection, the hugs usually > comes anyway and also in this case I do not differntiate between males or > females (being a straight guy). With complete strangers I usually limit myself > to a friendly pet on the shoulder or arm (after due time). > > I say: > Very good points! I never want to scare anyone, and my hugs are NEVER > meant to carray any kind of sexual connotation. I just think it's a better > expression of acceptance and friendliness than a handshake, but I'm still > careful not to force it. > > :) > > - E > > http://www.teleport.com/~shakti From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 16:04:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA08900; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:04:13 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA08892; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:04:07 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA17048 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:03:50 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA28562; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:03:49 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06270; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:02:38 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:06:23 -0800 To: "anne petrie" From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: INTROS Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Austin W wrote: > >>maybe just paint your name on your forehead... we can skip the intro and go >>straight to the hug...:-D > >Maybe we should all wear those little, "Hello, my name is _____" stick-on >nametags. It would be just like being at a convention! ;) > Yeah! And that would make the police's job much easier (just kidding!) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 16:44:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA13209; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:44:54 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA13202; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:44:47 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA18861 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:44:32 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01534 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:44:31 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA13346 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:44:28 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:48:16 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Jeno, Mark Farina, Barry Weaver Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, y'all! My friend Kirsten, who works at City E (City Espresso), asked if I new anything about djs Jeno, Mark Farina, and Barry Weaver, 'cause she's interested in going to Evolution. I couldn't really recall what they sounded like. Can someone please tell me what their styles are (what to expect)? Very much thank you! :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 17:37:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA17324; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:37:40 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA17319; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:37:37 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA13356; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:37:29 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA20888; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:37:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:37:26 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: Lee Fogel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy In-Reply-To: <9603080109.AA26140@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Lee Fogel wrote: > brenda sez: > > i think a nice gesture is to ask... if you feel the energy is right > > and the person is accepting to that. you can't assume that everyone's > > boundaries are the same as yours. > > Hmm. This statement seems kinda weird to me. At the parties I go to > and stay at, there's usually a kind of vibe where people are just > naturally in tune with one another. I usually don't see lot's of random > hugging between total strangers, but when 2 people connect in some > special way and it spontaneously happens, it's pretty nice. If > you have to stop and ask permission because you're not sure, then > forget it, because the entire interaction would seem to be so lacking > in empathy - why bother hugging someone that you're so obviously not in > tune with? i agree...but, recently i went to a party in portland, one love, where i met these two young women. they had never been to a rave before and were experiencing an intense level of consciousness that they had never felt before. i let them play with my teddy bear for a while and talked with them...after about a half our they weren't experiencing things so intensely and i was able to hold their hands and they loved the feeling of contact. then i asked them if they wanted to hug (I know that this feels wonderful, but they had never experienced any of this before) and they loved it. i journeyed with them until they got to a level of comfort respected their need to take everything in slower than i. it was a beautiful experience. brenda :) > > > If there are jerks at some parties creating such an uptight > atmosphere, or if your trust in the intentions of others has been > so reduced that you can't handle what might just be a misread by > an Xtra happy person, well, that's pretty sad. > > > when you respect another's boundaries > > out of love and concern for them, it can make you feel just as good as > > giving them an actual hug. IMHO, it's not the form (the hug) but the > > energy (feeling warm and fuzzy). > > I totally agree. Hugging never seemed like such a big deal > to me. I always thought raving was partially about letting go of our > boundaries. If people seem to be taking advantage of that, then I > suggest you find parties where you might find it easier to relax, where > people sense and respect that you may not be into it. > > I hope this doesn't sound condescending, it wasn't meant to be. I > don't think I'd really enjoy myself if I had to worry about people > invading my personal space in a way that made me uncomfortable. > > Lee > _________________________________________________________________________ > lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.teleport.com/~shakti From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 17:53:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA18352; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:53:54 -0800 Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA18320; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:53:31 -0800 Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id UAA26501; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:52:49 -0500 Date: 07 Mar 96 20:50:51 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: Led Zep Remakes Message-ID: <960308015050_71165.755_GHL135-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk One of my favorite (and early) moments with raving was at a party (maybe it was a Wicked?) at the Trocadero,and Thomas closed with a Led Zeppelin song - hardly mixed at all, just full-on-listen-to-this and it was awesome (what party was that, Allen @ Ameba? that first time I met you?) I LOVE hearing powerful non-rave music played at the volume with the bass that we are so used to, it makes you really stop and listen in a whole new way! Thomas played Jimi Hendrix (it was Thomas I think) at Wicked last week in the same way .... ...I always like to hear the unexpected! .... Leslie : ) p.s. and on the hug track ... some people are natural born huggers, and others (myself included) have to work to remember how important it is -- frankly, I love when people hug me if they're doing it freely and without hidden agendas (up-front agendas can be ok) after all, doesn't it mean they like me? -- last night I got goosed at ComeUnity, yep, seriously, and it was sort of fun! (He had an impish look on his face) -- but on the other end of the scalre, I was practically accosted by someone else whose hugs weren't welcome (and thanks to Allen for his safe-arm-hugs which protected me from that!) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 18:18:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA20917; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:18:46 -0800 Received: from gatekeeper by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA20898; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:18:39 -0800 Received: from dvlpyr.us.oracle.com by gatekeeper with SMTP (8.6.7/37.7) id SAA18884; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:17:15 -0800 Received: by dvlpyr.us.oracle.com (5.61/37.3) id AA22763; Thu, 7 Mar 96 18:15:01 -0800 Message-Id: <9603080215.AA22763@dvlpyr.us.oracle.com> From: Gianmaria Clerici Subject: A Tribute to a Friend To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:15:00 -0800 (PST) Cc: leslie@itsa.ucsf.edu Reply-To: gclerici%dvlpyr@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corporation X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1097 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just wanted to correct the date for this party, it will the the 14th instead of the 21th. Thursday, March 14th - _A Tribute to a Friend_ Jeno, Garth, Markie, Thomas, Simon, Spun, Tony, Ellen Ferrato, Andre, Eren, Tracy, Felix the Dogge, Aaron, Jen, Spaz, Cid, Freaky Chakra, Astral Matrix, Dubtribe, guests. benefit party for 'A' Abbas Rezaei. $10 minimum donation requested. 10pm-4am, 21+. 1015 Folsom, . I also would like to personally invite everybody to come because it's for a very good cause and to support a great friend who is straggling with cancer. An incredible line-up, all the people involved are working for free and 100% committed to support 'A' as much as they can. Please come if you can Thanks Giamma Giamma ================================================================================ e-mail: gclerici@us.oracle.com Oracle Corporation Phone: 415.506.2269 500 Oracle Parkway Fax: 415.506.7375 Box 659106 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 ================================================================================ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 18:34:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA22332; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:34:28 -0800 Received: from newvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA22327; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:34:21 -0800 Received: from XYP2_PORT1.sonoma.edu by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01I22F9MCWPS06C7DD@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 07 Mar 1996 18:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 18:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SONOMA.EDU From: Jonas Hanning Subject: North Bay in the house? X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I22F9MTSCY06C7DD@SONOMA.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi there. I've only posted a few times before, but now it's time to get serious. =) Are there any people on this list from the Santa Rosa area? I live just outside SR, and without a car it's kinda hard to get to all the events down in SF. I would really love to go, and if anyone wants to take me some time, I'll be more than happy to pay for gas. Also, if you ever meet me at an event, don't worry, I won't hug you. I'm way too shy to do something like that...unless YOU hug me of course... ;) dj e p.s. hey, if you live in the SR area, and you can get KSUN (91.5fm), make sure you check out the techno show every Friday night 9pm-Midnight. =) .............................................................. ........:::::Jonas Hanning:::::.....:::::dabalhed:::::........ ...........:::::DJ Eskimo .. Plastiga Band Inc:::::........... .............................................................. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 18:42:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA23029; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:42:39 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA23020; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:42:34 -0800 Received: from ameba.com.v-site.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id SAA18429; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:51:45 -0800 Message-ID: <313F9C8D.2149@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 18:33:49 -0800 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Pack-a-Bowl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tonight at Pack-a-Bowl Kicks off at 9pm....dj's (in order)...Alika, Mars, Tracy, John Howard Hope to see ya'll there. The Amebas Ps. Everett, Corbin and Mark in the Lounge... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 18:47:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA23477; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:47:11 -0800 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA23470; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:47:06 -0800 Received: from default (pool029.Max12.San-Francisco.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.108.93]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA19161 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:46:03 -0800 Message-ID: <313F9EBB.2217@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 18:43:07 -0800 From: "John O'Brien" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SFRaves Subject: Weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BOO! Can anyone recommend a good party or two for the weekend? -- Me: John O'Brien Email: cti@earthlink.net @: Clockwork Tortoise Inc. Voice: 415-399-1429 Where: 211 Sutter Street, Suite 401 Fax: 415-399-0158 Why: San Francisco, CA 94108 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 19:21:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA25464; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:21:38 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA25455; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:21:32 -0800 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com (ix5.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.5]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA05295 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA27527; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:03:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:03:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199603080303.TAA27527@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm actually kinda surprised at the number of people who are kinda "stand-offish" (just cause I can't think of a better word right now!) about immediate hugs, I totally end up operating on a different level entirely when it comes to hugs at raves. It's purely instinctual for me, and it has always appeared to be the case with the person I'm hugging also. Some people I just give regular hugs to, and then sometimes there are people whom when I meet them we practically immediately fall into each others arms for the full body-hug experience, and it's never discussed before-hand, there just seems to be a connection like that with some people & not with others. And when that happens, it's that way for both of us, we both instinctively know (somehow!) that it's ok for us to do this. I never even stopped to think about it, until reading this thread. Sometimes this happens with people I've wanted to meet for a while, & then sometimes it will just suddenly randomly happen to someone I've never met or heard of but just happened to run into at a rave, male & female both. And in these people I have never encountered any sort of hidden sexual agenda "bad vibe" from them, it appears that it never crossed either of our minds. For me, that's just so completely not what it's about, & it appears to be that way for the person I'm with when that happens. But I've never thought about it till now, it's all been completely instinctual. Interesting! I've always just sorta known that with some people it's cool, & some people it's not as cool until you know them better, to the best of my knowledge that hasn't failed me so far (knock on wood!). But then of course, I am myself female and it's probably a hell of a lot easier for women to randomly run around hugging people of all ilks than for men to do so, as has been previously mentioned, the ol' famous double standard! Hugzzz galore! (four hundred something, to be exact, one for each person on the list!) Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 19:48:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA27534; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:48:30 -0800 Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA27529; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:48:27 -0800 Received: from unknown (crl4.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA17786 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:45:07 -0800 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: "Loved Up" viewing in South Bay Saturday Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 03:43:45 GMT Message-Id: <313fac03.345641416@mail.crl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Firstly, thanks to everyone who came out to my place to see "Loved Up," I had a great time sharing that! Troy, good synopsis. Jon has courteously provided a space for presenting "Loved Up" on the Stanford campus Saturday night at 7:30. It's in a campus lounge, so there should be plenty of room. E-mail me for directions. I hope to see lots of people there too. David --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ This website is not yet rated. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 20:07:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA28996; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:07:02 -0800 Received: from mail1.fw-sj.sony.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA28984; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:06:58 -0800 Received: by mail1.fw-sj.sony.com id AA12002; Thu, 7 Mar 96 20:06:25 -0800 Received: by mail1.bc.in.sel.sony.com id AA03761; Thu, 7 Mar 96 23:06:23 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate.ssi.sony.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA826258022; Thu, 07 Mar 96 20:07:16 PST Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 20:07:16 PST From: "Jacqui Kolarik" Encoding: 19 Text Message-Id: <9602078262.AA826258022@ccgate.ssi.sony.com> To: Marisa Giancarla-Wright , napodaca@ucdavis.edu Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re[2]: flashbacks? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Same here... _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: flashbacks? From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright at Internet Date: 3/7/96 7:53 PM > I don't know if I am getting psychic or if I am having flashbacks or > what, but it seems like I keep getting random postings to this group two Me too. Sometimes the 2nd copy comes in a day or more after the original. > or even three times... Sometimes I even get a reply to a post as much as > a whole day before I get the original post... This happens to me as well, I see the response several days ahead of the original sometimes. Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 20:29:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA01395; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:29:56 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA01382; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:29:49 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net (precipice.v-site.net [204.188.120.23]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA05482 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id UAA18735; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:36:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:36:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199603080436.UAA18735@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: snomura@parcplace.com (Sean Nomura), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Also, look inside of the men's room at most (or all) of the raves that you >may have attended. I've seen as many as 5 females at once in the men's >room... while there were guys in there trying to relieve themselves. And I >noticed that not one male in there felt embarassed, violated, or even cared >less. If anything, they actually seemed to enjoy their presence. > >Take a glance as you walk by the female's restroom and there won't be so >much as a single male in there.... and most likely not one male will enter >there throughout the entire night. Should a male decide to enter... well, >I've never seen this happen in a rave-female restoom so I can only >speculate... I do, however, think that it would not be positive event >overall. > Actually this used to happen more at parties. In the toon town days at Townsend both bathrooms became co-ed pretty quickly, though there were always lines in the women's room. it generally became a question of choice, the "men's room" had fewer lines but was messy, the "women's room" had long lines but was cleaner :) More scummy guys come to parties now who ar more apt to take advantage of a situation like this so I think you see less of it. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 20:54:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA03516; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:54:19 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA03492; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:54:10 -0800 From: freakz@ultima.org Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Thu, 7 Mar 96 20:43 PST Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.16.19960308044642.367fe368@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 20:46:42 -0800 To: Uncle Noah Subject: Re: flashbacks? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:11 AM 3/7/96 -0800, Uncle Noah wrote: > >I don't know if I am getting psychic or if I am having flashbacks or >what, but it seems like I keep getting random postings to this group two >or even three times... Sometimes I even get a reply to a post as much as >a whole day before I get the original post... >Should I go seek professional help, or are these the strange EMAILings >that others have been speaking of? >:D I've been getting them too. Probably mail is geting sent out at different times to your service provider. -Sean _____________________________________ F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." (415) 227-7421 Renegade Sound System & Light Show (415) 679-3113 _____________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 21:05:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA04849; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:05:51 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA04839; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:05:46 -0800 From: freakz@ultima.org Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Thu, 7 Mar 96 20:54 PST Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.16.19960308045827.367f4400@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 20:58:27 -0800 To: teena@lioness.compute.com Subject: Re: Sunday Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 01:13 PM 3/7/96 PST, teena@lioness.compute.com wrote: >I'm going to be up this weekend (from LA) & was wondering what to do >Sunday night. Any suggestions? > >Thnx. > >Teena > > Spundae 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 21:23:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA06355; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:23:57 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA06350; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:23:54 -0800 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id VAA19880; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:22:33 -0800 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA23925; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:22:28 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:22:27 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey To: Geoff White cc: Sean Nomura , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603080436.UAA18735@precipice.v-site.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Geoff White wrote: > > >Also, look inside of the men's room at most (or all) of the raves that you > >may have attended. I've seen as many as 5 females at once in the men's > >room... while there were guys in there trying to relieve themselves. And I > >noticed that not one male in there felt embarassed, violated, or even cared > >less. If anything, they actually seemed to enjoy their presence. > > > >Take a glance as you walk by the female's restroom and there won't be so > >much as a single male in there.... and most likely not one male will enter > >there throughout the entire night. Should a male decide to enter... well, > >I've never seen this happen in a rave-female restoom so I can only > >speculate... I do, however, think that it would not be positive event > >overall. > > > > > > Actually this used to happen more at parties. In the toon town days at > Townsend both bathrooms became co-ed pretty quickly, though there were > always lines in the women's room. it generally became a question of > choice, the "men's room" had fewer lines but was messy, the "women's room" > had long lines but was cleaner :) > > More scummy guys come to parties now who ar more apt to take advantage > of a situation like this so I think you see less of it. > > I had a buddy who was very Exstatic try to use the ladies restroom at a come unity (?) show at Richmand (?) (the place right next to the police station :( :) ) and the security that night were being real jerks. They were trying to through my buddy out and lots of us (ladies included) were trying to talk the nazis out of it. Unfortunatly my pal had to leave :( Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (wocka wocka) / =*=/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 21:24:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA06401; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:24:18 -0800 Received: from elaine23.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA06394; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:24:15 -0800 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine23.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA07772; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:24:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:24:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: friends&family Subject: dumb mixing board kwestion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk duh, what's the difference between the phono and line inputs on a mixing board? are they calibrated to handle levels differently? could I plug a CD player into the phono line if I have to? thx, jon I just bought a Numark dm1100X and am very pleased with it... :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 21:50:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA08367; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:50:50 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA08360; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:50:48 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tuv4j-000D8sC; Thu, 7 Mar 96 21:50 PST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:50:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: looking for galen, pacific sound, anybody? To: happy ravers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id like to get a hold of galen or anyone from the pacific crew. an email or phone number would be appreciated much! love, tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 21:58:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA09046; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:58:11 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA09036; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:58:08 -0800 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id VAA24712; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:58:00 -0800 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA00289; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:57:59 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:57:58 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: dumb mixing board kwestion To: Jonathan Mark Logan cc: friends&family In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Jonathan Mark Logan wrote: > > > duh, what's the difference between the phono and line inputs on a mixing > board? are they calibrated to handle levels differently? could I plug a > CD player into the phono line if I have to? > > thx, > > jon > > I just bought a Numark dm1100X and am very pleased with it... :) Phono lines are at a different line level (and may be calibrated with a different 'zero' level) And have an eq filter to adjust for eqing done (when the lp is cut) on lps so that phat bass lines or cymbal crashes do not cause the needle to go into orbit. The inverse of this eqing is applied with the phono input in order to restore the 'orignal' sound. Not a good idea to put CD line in phono and vica versa. Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (happy spins =) ) / =*=/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 21:58:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA09116; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:58:49 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA09107; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:58:45 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:58:45 -0800 (PST) From: Sami Khoury To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: dumb mixing board kwestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > duh, what's the difference between the phono and line inputs on a mixing > board? are they calibrated to handle levels differently? I am pretty sure that's it. If I run one of my turntables straight into the cd in on my receiver, the level is extremely low no matter how high I crank it. But if I run it to the phono in on the receiver, it sounds fine. > could I plug a CD player into the phono line if I have to? Probably, but given what I noticed above, I would be extremely careful when you first play something through. Apparently, cd line level is *way* higher than phono line level. Let me know how it goes... Sami From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 22:45:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA12846; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:45:41 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA12840; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:45:38 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tuvvn-000D9pC; Thu, 7 Mar 96 22:45 PST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:45:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: random long hug conspiracy. To: "happy ravers." Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk sometimes at raves, i do go around and hug random strangers, men and women, and ive always believed in being the last to let go in a hug. ive always thought of that to be a sign of affection saying, "i care about this experience, and about you (the hugged), on whatever level" and ive made quite a few friends that stared out with a good hug at random. sometimes those weak hugs that are quick just seem to leave me with this "whatever, empty" feeling, cuz im used to a lot of energy passing in a good hug. reading all these posts i realize ya all see it so differently! which isnt good or bad, and im glad to be aware of it. i tend to be non sexual, but really affectionate, when in a good mood or in that 'other' state o consciousness. i pretty much leave it up to instinc at that point, hope i dont offend anyone... tha mad hugger, tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 22:53:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA13551; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:53:45 -0800 Received: from bbs.cruzio.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA13537; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:53:41 -0800 Received: from pine176.cruzio.com by bbs.cruzio.com id aa22174; 7 Mar 96 22:52 PST X-Sender: abennett@mail.cruzio.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 22:54:54 -0500 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Andrew Bennett Subject: Re: flashbacks? Message-ID: <9603072252.aa22174@bbs.cruzio.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:57 AM 3/7/96 -0800, Marisa Giancarla-Wright wrote: >> I don't know if I am getting psychic or if I am having flashbacks or >> what, but it seems like I keep getting random postings to this group two > Me too. Sometimes the 2nd copy comes in a day or more after the >original. Hi gang In looking at the email headers from an original message and a duplicate, it appears that someone's machine at a company that starts with an X was bouncing email back to the list after a few hours of delay. Looks like it's stopped for now. :) Duplicate messages may be seen for the next 24 hours or so, until the offending machine gets caught up. Just please stand by... Most of you I don't know, and there's good reason. I moved to the Santa Cruz area last July for a job from the Cincinnati area. I haven't had a whole lot of time to do the rave thing, but I've been to a handful of parties. So if you see me at a party, please do say hi, as I only know a handful of you. :) Claims to fame: Um, started the mw-raves list, got "drafted" to help out with hyperreal.com early on after it started, ran vrave for a bit, bought some cds here and there, etc etc. I am glad to be living in Santa Cruz, though. I've got a nice job, a decent place to live (but it's expensive), I saw snow once (when I went home for the holidaze to Ohio), $25 electric bills (just wish the power was more constant, rather than blinky), etc etc. I do miss home, family, and my friends, though. The weirdest thing was being that that FnF back in October in Oakland. It felt like a rave from home, where I'd know maybe 10-20 people and recognize a bunch of faces. But out here, I only knew a handful. Felt like a Twiglight Zone. :) Andrew -- Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@cruzio.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 23:35:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA16607; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:35:26 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA16595; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:35:22 -0800 Received: from [153.36.85.72] (Cust8.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.85.72]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA24027; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:35:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199603080735.XAA24027@well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:35:38 +1000 To: Randy C Cone From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Have frisbee will bring =) > Excellent... I wouldn't mind a rip snortin untimate game.... :-) Wonder what it's like playing ultimte tweaked out of my mind... Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 23:50:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA17402; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:50:34 -0800 Received: from isis.source.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA17394; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:50:30 -0800 Received: by isis.source.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id XAA04488; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:47:45 -0800 From: "anne petrie" Message-Id: <9603072347.ZM4486@isis.source.net> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:47:35 -0800 In-Reply-To: Tom Leichardt "random long hug conspiracy." (Mar 7, 10:45pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: random long hug conspiracy. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just for the record! I love hugging! And I don't let the few hugs that have felt "weird" wreck all hugs! The vast majority of the people that I have met through this list have been (in my opinion) fairly enlightened, caring people. Enlightened people who think and feel empathy are not the selfish types who give "weird" feeling hugs! I've taken part in "random hugs" that were WONDERFUL! One can tell the difference between the "warm, fuzzy" hugs and the "hot and claustrophobic" hugs. My favorite hugs are the ones that start out with two or three people, but wind up with many more. I especially like the ones where everyone hums, and you can hear the changes in pitch and tone when new people join in. I'm not explaining that very well, but do you know what I mean? warm, fuzzy hugs to y'all -- Anne Petrie 3rd Wave Solutions E-mail: anne@3ws.com Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 23:54:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA17612; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:54:03 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA17593; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:53:59 -0800 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id XAA07514; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:53:55 -0800 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id XAA01931; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:53:55 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:53:54 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Hugs! To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just wanted to add that although I think one should ask before giving hugs to strangers (unless one is VERY sure that the reciever wouldn't mind) I am totally thrilled by getting hugs from strangers-- assuming of course that they are relativly clean :) Of course the more E the les clean they have to be =) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Mar 7 23:58:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA18112; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:58:20 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA18101; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:58:16 -0800 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id XAA07967; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:58:12 -0800 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id XAA02204; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:58:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:58:10 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: random long hug conspiracy. To: anne petrie cc: Tom Leichardt , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9603072347.ZM4486@isis.source.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, anne petrie wrote: > Just for the record! I love hugging! > > And I don't let the few hugs that have felt "weird" wreck all hugs! > > The vast majority of the people that I have met through this list have been (in > my opinion) fairly enlightened, caring people. Enlightened people who think > and feel empathy are not the selfish types who give "weird" feeling hugs! I've > taken part in "random hugs" that were WONDERFUL! One can tell the difference > between the "warm, fuzzy" hugs and the "hot and claustrophobic" hugs. > > My favorite hugs are the ones that start out with two or three people, but wind > up with many more. I especially like the ones where everyone hums, and you can > hear the changes in pitch and tone when new people join in. I'm not explaining > that very well, but do you know what I mean? > > warm, fuzzy hugs to y'all > > -- > Anne Petrie > 3rd Wave Solutions > E-mail: anne@3ws.com > Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. I agree-- please refer to the posting I just sent previously. Ran @Dionysus Dreams (love to you all!!) / =*= / ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 00:09:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA21152; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:09:54 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA21145; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:09:51 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id AAA09068; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:09:46 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id AAA08360; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:09:45 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: Re: random long hug conspiracy. To: Tom Leichardt cc: "happy ravers." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On the "whatever, empty" feeling note, at Planet Rock I got the same thing. While I was surrounded by a group of really happy people, they weren't necessarily friendly. So I was already tripping, literally, on that idea and wondering why i wasn't really connecting with anyone (mainly because I was just content and not particuarly outgoing-just enjoying the surrounding energy), anywhoo, this fellow comes up and give one of those weak hugz and says isn't this the best vibe here? Since I was already thinking of that and his hug didn't live up to his words I just said "yeah, i guess". I hope he did not take it in a negative way, but it just seemed a bit hypocrytical...well, I still love hugs, I just want to feel 'em, ya know? Jamie :) On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Tom Leichardt wrote: > > sometimes at raves, i do go around and hug random strangers, men and > women, and ive always believed in being the last to let go in a hug. > ive always thought of that to be a sign of affection saying, "i care > about this experience, and about you (the hugged), on whatever level" and > ive made quite a few friends that stared out with a good hug at random. > > sometimes those weak hugs that are quick just seem to leave me with this > "whatever, empty" feeling, cuz im used to a lot of energy passing in a > good hug. reading all these posts i realize ya all see it so differently! > which isnt good or bad, and im glad to be aware of it. > > i tend to be non sexual, but really affectionate, when in a good mood or > in that 'other' state o consciousness. i pretty much leave it up to > instinc at that point, > hope i dont offend anyone... > tha mad hugger, > tom > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 00:40:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA22820; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:40:41 -0800 Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA22810; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:40:38 -0800 Received: from [153.37.100.10] (pool030.Max2.San-Francisco.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.99.30]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id AAA13619 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:40:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:40:30 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: cnielsen@earthlink.net (Cortney Nielson) Subject: DEEP SPACE Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ******************** Tuesday March 12 ********************* DEEP SPACE Resident: DJ Spun Guest: Ernie Munson At Greg's Bar 551 W. Julian SAN JOSE Info: 408 286 4388 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 01:18:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA25806; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:18:13 -0800 Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA25801; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:18:10 -0800 Received: from inanna.ccnet.com (h97-106.ccnet.com [192.215.97.106]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA05933; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:12:11 -0800 Message-ID: <313FFB3F.2C10@ccnet.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 01:17:51 -0800 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Nomura CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sean; At first I was appalled by your posting, (it was a really stereotypical = viewpoint,) but instead I chose to view it as an opportunity to = enlighten you to another perspective that is out there, and perhaps even = turn you on to some scientific research findings that will be = interesting to you. = Coping the anonymous feel,(done either to a man or to a woman,) is not = about affection, it is about power and objectifying the person you=92re = "feeling up". Men are socially conditioned to view this as a = compliment, while most women these days are aware that it is invasive. = I believe that men who receive such invasive treatment have the same = feelings as women have about it, but don=92t want to risk appearing = "unmanly," and instead project the facade that they enjoy it. = Current research has found that both men and women are equally excited = sexually by visual stimulus. But, the women participating in the study = reported their level of sexual excitement to be very low, even though = the monitoring equipment proved that they were having the same intensity = of arousal as the men in the study, and, that it took both men and women = about the same length of time to become aroused even though the men in = the study remarked early on that they were feeling aroused, and the = women reported their excitement level as being less, and later. (I can = supply the article about this study if you want to have it.) So why does there seem to be a marked difference in real life? Perhaps = again it is our social conditioning to gender roles. Men have always = been encouraged by our culture to act on visual stimulus, while women = have been conditioned by their families and their community to deny = their very real, sexual responses. = As for the bathroom thing, when you have to go you have to go. = Expediency is the real issue here. Because of the feeling of community = and PLUR that happens at raves, its obvious that both men and women = generally feel okay about sharing accommodations. I have seen men in = the women=92s=92 bathrooms at raves, but usually if you=92re a guy, and you= = don=92t need to sit down on a toilet seat to do your business, going to = the men=92s room will guarantee a shorter, faster line. = Lets face it, gender differences between men and women are very real. = Part of being CONCIOUS in the 90=92s requires that we acknowledge that men = and women are humans, influenced by our own particular biologies, but = also more strongly influenced by our societal gender roles, overt and = unspoken. = I would also like to add here that I think the rave community has done a = good job of bringing the new consciousness into our everyday life. = Ravers question their world, and bring fresh perspectives to old = viewpoints. = Diana From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 01:20:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA26144; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:20:59 -0800 Received: from shell.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA26138; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:20:56 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp417.liberty.com [206.17.67.81]) by shell.liberty.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA05487; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:20:08 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960308092600.0071fb30@shell.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@shell.liberty.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 01:26:00 -0800 To: "Wayne D. Correia" , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: Full Moon Facts Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; We the Moon children of the planet are reminding all you earthlings that you need to eat, drink, party, & act crazy more often. Needless to say this child has had a humdinger of a week, darkness out......... At 11:01 AM 3/5/96 -0800, Wayne D. Correia wrote: > >--- begin forwarded text > >Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 20:40:50 -0800 (PST) >From: Koren Ann Paalman >To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu >Subject: Full Moon Facts >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Did you know: > >1. A full moon is considered lucky on Monday, Moon Day >2. Only one month has ever elapsed without a full moon, February 1866, an >event that will not repeat itself for 2.5 million years >3. Ancient Greeks thought marriages consummated during a full moon would >be prosperous and happy >4. In England, a distinction was once made between lunacy and >insanity;the former happened only during a full moon, while the latter >was permanent >5. Many Navajos believe that a woman is more likely to give birth during >a full moon because of its pull on the amniotic fluid >6. Doctors who note increased bleeding in patients tonight may well >attribute it to the moon, a correlation confirmed by some studies > >Well now you do!!! > >Happiest of Full Moons * > >Koren > >--- end forwarded text > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 02:20:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA04572; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 02:20:24 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA04565; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 02:20:22 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.32.19960308100347.006fd224@dons.ac.usfca.edu> X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 02:03:47 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "matthew d. p. k. lanier" Subject: bsp: raver needs part time job! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- please dis-regard this blatant self promotion if it doesn't apply to you. i am a college student with good experience in html, and teaching myself cgi programming. anyone know a place i might find a part-time job doing anything remotely related to that? i'm sufficiently qualified in html, and am learning quickly perl, java, and will soon move on to c++. if anyone has any leads that might correspond to my qualifications, please let me know soon!!!! peace, love, and all that other stuff- matt l. matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. cellular 415-939-8780 / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 05:41:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA22776; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 05:41:20 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA22771; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 05:41:17 -0800 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id FAA19885; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 05:50:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 05:50:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199603081350.FAA19885@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Diana Greer From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Your an amazing person! G From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 05:43:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA22927; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 05:43:07 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA22920; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 05:43:04 -0800 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id FAA19890; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 05:52:16 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 05:52:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199603081352.FAA19890@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Diana Greer From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So tell me, have you read any of Camille Paglia's works and if so, what do you think of them? G From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 08:05:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA04802; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:05:10 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA04794; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:05:04 -0800 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (root@netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA08265 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from DialupEudora by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA00951; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:03:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:03:30 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I say we need to celebrate our identity as male or female while supporting >each other's identity and individuality. A "separate but equal" attitude >will help people feel more like human beings first, and male or female >second, and will (hopefully) promote cooperation as opposed to competition. >I'm not aggressive or motivated by the typical male drive to succeed, >because to me, success = happiness, not social standing or material things. >I'll go a step further and say that I feel it's outrageously unfair that >women undergo so much hardship simply because of biology, and (biologically >speaking) males have such an easy life... > >- E Huh? Bilogically speaking? er, may I point out that females live longer in this society. Men are prone to plenty of stess and dietary related diseases that shorten our life span. As a matter of fact the boundaries are sociological, not biological. We use biology (and not well at all), to help support the male dominated position. As another matter of fact, we have already tried seperate but equal, and it doesn't work and is unconstitutional. I do heartily agreee with your first sentence though. As for the rest of that stuff, it is not completely biological, but sociological 'tweaking' of biology, and supported by social mores, laws, and pre-defined accepted behavior for each sex. This world need an enema... "I am suprised at how little change there has been in human evolution. Oh, there have been technological advances, but how little man himself has changed." (Khan in Space Seed (TOS)). And oh how right that fictional character from the 60's was. Peace, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 08:46:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA08905; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:46:10 -0800 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA08839; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:45:38 -0800 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0tv5IF-0001nAC; Fri, 8 Mar 96 08:45 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:45:27 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Hardie To: nw-raves@hyperreal.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: JIM T., THE BIRTHDAY BOY! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk let's all have a big round of applause for MR. JIM TRICKETT! happy birthday to youuuu .... happy birthday to youuuuuuuu ..... heehee i'm not going to see him until next week so i can do this and live :) BIG GROSS BIRTHDAY HUG! k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 09:25:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA12700; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:25:42 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA12685; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:25:36 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA16173 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:25:14 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA03430; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:25:14 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA10724; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:25:10 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:28:59 -0800 To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes, right on, thanks! The sociological stuff doesn't affect me any more, because I've spent years deprogramming and reprogramming myself to be more of the kind of human being (as opposed to "man") that I want to be. It's not easy to remember that my thoughts and feelings about people are probably not the majority opinion (too bad!). I was raised in a family that tried to promote PLUR, but still had our problems and maybe hypocritical attitudes. The striving to achieve family harmony was worth the effort, because after the family unit(y) had disintegrated, each of us found the special one-to-one relationship that we wished we'd had all along. As kids, our parents always impressed on us the importance of treating each other fairly and equally as fellow kids, not as boy vs. girl, etc. I think I took it to heart and used it as part of my foundation much more than my sisters did. My older sister is very closed-minded and unaccepting of people who are different from her. My younger sister despises nearly all human beings (with very, very few exceptions - that's a self-preservation mechanism/reaction for her...), often overgeneralizing during conversations when she summarizes by saying "People suck." She and I love each other deeply, though, so I feel fortunate, and hope that some of me has rubbed off on her as far as reserving a portion of one's heart for those exceptional people one encounters. Someone mentioned "genderless spirits" and I agree with this. That's what my faith teaches: that the spiritual community transcends sexes. I better close for now before going off on a tangent. Peace to my sisters and brothers! - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 09:34:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA13856; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:34:58 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA13841; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:34:52 -0800 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id JAA20355; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:43:33 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:43:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199603081743.JAA20355@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee), epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk A >"I am suprised at how little change there has been in human evolution. Oh, >there have been technological advances, but how little man himself has >changed." >(Khan in Space Seed (TOS)). > >And oh how right that fictional character from the 60's was. > >Peace, >John He was from the 90's :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 09:59:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA13092; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:27:51 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA13074; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:27:44 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA16315 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:27:27 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA03588; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:27:26 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA11186; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:27:22 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:31:11 -0800 To: Karen Hardie From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: JIM T., THE BIRTHDAY BOY! Cc: nw-raves@hyperreal.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >let's all have a big round of applause for MR. JIM TRICKETT! > >happy birthday to youuuu .... happy birthday to youuuuuuuu ..... > >heehee i'm not going to see him until next week so i can do this and live :) > >BIG GROSS BIRTHDAY HUG! >k Yea! Happy birthday, hope it's a blast!!! - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 10:00:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA14441; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:41:09 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA14369; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:40:58 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA17036 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:40:47 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA04644; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:40:46 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA13626; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:40:43 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:44:31 -0800 To: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Khan Noonian Singh, from the Star Trek original series episode "Space Seed" and from my favorite Star Trek movie "Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan", was a product of the 21st century. He said in the series episode "On Earth, 200 years ago, I was a prince..." The original Star Trek series takes place in the 23rd century. Y'all didn't know that I was also a ST buff, did ya? :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 10:10:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA17086; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:10:43 -0800 Received: from eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA17067; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:10:38 -0800 Received: from sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id KAA23396; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:10:15 -0800 Received: from ifs2.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08133; Fri, 8 Mar 96 10:09:53 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 10:09:53 PST From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Message-Id: <9603081809.AA08133@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Powerful, Non-Rave Music! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> I LOVE hearing powerful non-rave music played at the volume with the bass >> that we are so used to, it makes you really stop and listen in a whole >> new way! Speaking of which, for those who are into PNRM, Frontline Assembly and Die Krupps are coming! Frontline Assembly, aka Delerium aka Noise Unit aka Intermix (!!!) are coming to the Trocadero in SF on March 26 and the Edge in Palo Alto on March 27. I saw FLA about 2-3 years ago and was completely blown away. It was a total audio-visual assault with a big video wall showing RAPIDLY changing images for the whole performance while computer controlled lights swept the audience. Die Krupps are a very heavy German noise dance-industrial group that are most excellent! Look for me there. I'm 6'4" with a goatee, will be wearing some of my blinky electronic art wearables (so I'm not too hard to spot ;-) jim thompson - cube root fact axon info grid data fate ::: ..::. ....: ::::.:::::: . ....::... :: .:..::::: ....:::.....::.:::::::::.. .. :..::::: .:.:..:.. ..: ...::::..:. . ...:: : .... :........:.: ..... ::... .::::::: ...:::: ... :..... ..::... :::..:::....:: .:......::.. :::::.:: ::..... "Melt to the Music of the Drums, for I am you and you are I" - Brave New World, Aldous Huxley, 1932 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 10:19:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA17723; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:19:08 -0800 Received: from eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA17712; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:19:04 -0800 Received: from sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id KAA24175; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:18:14 -0800 Received: from ifs2.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08187; Fri, 8 Mar 96 10:17:52 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 10:17:52 PST From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Message-Id: <9603081817.AA08187@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, shawna-@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk We need an SFRaves Host and Hostess to introduce everyone! jim thompson - cube root fact axon info grid data fate ::: ..::. ....: ::::.:::::: . ....::... :: .:..::::: ....:::.....::.:::::::::.. .. :..::::: .:.:..:.. ..: ...::::..:. . ...:: : .... :........:.: ..... ::... .::::::: ...:::: ... :..... ..::... :::..:::....:: .:......::.. :::::.:: ::..... "The President stood up, made the sign of the T and, switching on the synthetic music, let loose the soft indefatigable beating of drums and a choir of instruments --- near wind and super-string --- that plagently repeated and repeated the brief and unescap- ably haunting melody of the first Solidarity Hymn. Again, again -- and it was not the ear that heard the pulsing rhythm, it was the midriff; the wail and clang of those recurring harmonies haunted, not the mind, but the yearning bowels of compassion" Brave New World, Aldous Huxley, 1932 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 10:43:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA21210; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:43:09 -0800 Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA21160; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:42:18 -0800 Received: from inanna.ccnet.com (h97-145.ccnet.com [192.215.97.145]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA29632; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:36:51 -0800 Message-ID: <3140807D.529D@ccnet.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 10:46:21 -0800 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John S. Lee" CC: "Eric P. Peterson" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Right on, Brother! Diana From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 10:48:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA21625; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:48:24 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA21617; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:48:20 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA26332 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:47:28 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id KAA26050; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:40:21 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603080436.UAA18735@precipice.v-site.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Geoff White wrote: > > >Also, look inside of the men's room at most (or all) of the raves that you > >may have attended. I've seen as many as 5 females at once in the men's > >room... while there were guys in there trying to relieve themselves. And I > >noticed that not one male in there felt embarassed, violated, or even cared > >less. If anything, they actually seemed to enjoy their presence. > > > >Take a glance as you walk by the female's restroom and there won't be so > >much as a single male in there.... and most likely not one male will enter > >there throughout the entire night. Should a male decide to enter... well, > >I've never seen this happen in a rave-female restoom so I can only > >speculate... I do, however, think that it would not be positive event > >overall. At my first rave, Basics, both bathrooms had both sexes in it, but more ppl were "hanging out" in the womens' bathroom, probably because it was cleaner. I have ceased to see this again at any rave I have attend since in the past year or so, which is such a shame. Personally, I think different sex bathrooms is gender segregation and continues to lend to misconceptions about both sexes. I spent most of college in co-ops with co-ed bathrooms. No one particularly cared about nudity, bathroom functions, etc. With mature ppl who realize a body is nothing more than a body, regardless of gender, and doesn't always have to be sexualized, shared bathrooms are no big deal. No one worried about it. It's very humbling to share bathrooms with members of both sexes, and quite a learning experience in acceptance of people in a non-sexual manner. Hey, I would love to see the bathrooms of raves completely gender-free. It was actually a factor that lead to a wonderful first-rave experience for me. I loved the openness and trust. -kc > > > > > > Actually this used to happen more at parties. In the toon town days at > Townsend both bathrooms became co-ed pretty quickly, though there were > always lines in the women's room. it generally became a question of > choice, the "men's room" had fewer lines but was messy, the "women's room" > had long lines but was cleaner :) > > More scummy guys come to parties now who ar more apt to take advantage > of a situation like this so I think you see less of it. > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 11:30:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25813; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:30:29 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA25631; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:28:36 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA23205 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:27:27 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA14647; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:27:26 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA06958; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:27:22 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:31:11 -0800 To: KaySEE From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Unfortunately, not everyone would be safe in a unisex restroom. Sooner or later some creep will try to take advantage of the situation and ruin it, and ruin someone. Personally, I think I'd be too embarrassed to share a restroom, even though in most other areas I'm a very sharing person. Maybe it's baggage from my upbringing, or an attitude that was forced upon me by "society," and I don't like the idea that I have these flaws, but hey, it's an opportunity for growth, isn't it? Blushing, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 11:34:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26317; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:34:48 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26278; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:34:24 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA08601 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id LAA10745; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:30:50 -0800 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id LAA26244; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:30:44 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:30:43 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey To: Geoff White cc: Diana Greer , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603081350.FAA19885@precipice.v-site.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Geoff White wrote: > > Your an amazing person! > > > G > > It is amazing what a little education and self-honosty can do. Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (peace) / =*=/ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 11:56:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28201; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:56:46 -0800 Received: from parcplace.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA28167; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:56:36 -0800 Received: from [192.159.3.151] (2heads.parcplace.com [192.159.3.151]) by parcplace.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA06535; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:52:15 -0800 X-Sender: snomura@central Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:59:54 -0800 To: Diana Greer From: snomura@parcplace.com (Sean Nomura) Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Sean; > >At first I was appalled by your posting, (it was a really stereotypical >viewpoint,) but instead I chose to view it as an opportunity to >enlighten you to another perspective that is out there, and perhaps even >turn you on to some scientific research findings that will be >interesting to you. > >Coping the anonymous feel,(done either to a man or to a woman,) is not >about affection, it is about power and objectifying the person you’re >"feeling up". Men are socially conditioned to view this as a >compliment, while most women these days are aware that it is invasive. >I believe that men who receive such invasive treatment have the same >feelings as women have about it, but don’t want to risk appearing >"unmanly," and instead project the facade that they enjoy it. Fair enough. I received an email from a person (male) regarding this very same matter. And again, you have to look at the overall intention behind the act itself. This particular female playing this particular game at this particular time, while her actions could most certainly be taken as an intrusion, this was by no means her intent. She was trying to get the rest of us to laugh. And by that, she succeeded. All of the men, while a bit shocked, showed no signs of intrustion... Her intent was fun and humor. In fact, all three of the men wanted her phone number. Take this person (male) who previously emailed me.... He explained to me that he was blatantly 'felt up' by a passing female. In this case, I would most definitely say that he had every right to feel intruded... and he did.... and he most certainly did express his reservations about it (to me at least). It was obvious that her intent was to 'objectify' her victim, and thus provoked the 'appropriate' response. >Current research has found that both men and women are equally excited >sexually by visual stimulus. But, the women participating in the study >reported their level of sexual excitement to be very low, even though >the monitoring equipment proved that they were having the same intensity >of arousal as the men in the study, and, that it took both men and women >about the same length of time to become aroused even though the men in >the study remarked early on that they were feeling aroused, and the >women reported their excitement level as being less, and later. (I can >supply the article about this study if you want to have it.) I never said that women weren't excited by visual stimulus. I said that "women don't 'get off' on seeing male flesh the way that men are turned on when they see female flesh." Please not the words 'in the same way' and 'flesh'. Studies have also shown that women are able to emotionally detach themselves from the actual 'picture' stimulus of a sexual partner. Regarding visual stimulus, men's primary focus is the 'picture'. Women focus more on the meaning behind what they see. They watch body language, and body motion. So if you doubt this, then ask yourself which you would rather watch... a still photograph of a gorgeous male model, or a 'motion' segement of an average looking guy displaying intensely confident, sensual body movements. One perfect example is the success of male exotic strip clubs... it's not the flesh... it's the movement of the flesh. When trekking through a locker room of the opposite sex (now it would be 'rude' to just stare) I imagined that these people would take occasinal glances, you know, to not be obvious that they're staring. Visual 'pictures' could be taken in very quickly and easily for the men, arousal would come easy (no pun intended). However, for women, they would not have so much time in which to guage the body movements of the men that they were peeping in at. I never said that it wouldn't happen.... it's just much less likely with given the scenario. >So why does there seem to be a marked difference in real life? Perhaps >again it is our social conditioning to gender roles. Men have always >been encouraged by our culture to act on visual stimulus, while women >have been conditioned by their families and their community to deny >their very real, sexual responses. You're probably right that social conditioning has something to do with it. However, according to neurological science, the right and left side of the brain of the male become more specialized (separated) than that of the female. (IN GENERAL). This makes for a visual/spatial side and a logical/verbal side. These separations have been shown to be the 'culprit' of mens' tendency to be sexually stimulated by what they see. Studies have also shown (and I'm sure you've seen this one) that males think of sex 3 to 4 times more than that of a female. Some sex therapists suggest that this is because men, who are visually/sexually stimulated, are constantly 'bombarded' with stimulus througout a single day. Of course, as you said, much of this can be socially conditioned as well. Thank you for your insights. I've learned something from you. Sean From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 12:16:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26916; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:39:51 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26858; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:39:06 -0800 From: TBOBSC@tevm2.nsc.com Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com (gatekeeper.nsc.com [139.187.71.2]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA08627 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA07849 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 8 Mar 96 11:36:41 -0800 Received: from tevm2.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA16452 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 8 Mar 96 11:36:17 -0800 Message-Id: <9603081936.AA16452@nsc.nsc.com> Received: from TEVM2 by tevm2.nsc.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5411; Fri, 08 Mar 96 11:36:51 PST Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 11:36:50 PST To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk FROM: Robert Brown SUBJECT: Re: Lack of Khan Hmmm....as I recall Khan's time was actually in the 1990's not in the 21st century. Perhaps the Space Seed episode needs to be found and viewed again... I seem to remember the date mentioned was either 1996 or 1998. Does anyone know if the original series is still shown? KBHK (44) used to show it late night (11 or midnight I think) on weekdays but does not seem to any more. :-( *** Forwarding note from SMTP --TEVM2 03/08/96 09:44 *** To: GEOFFW --CYBERTRIBE.COM GEOFF WHITE FROM: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) SUBJECT: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Khan Noonian Singh, from the Star Trek original series episode "Space Seed" and from my favorite Star Trek movie "Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan", was a product of the 21st century. He said in the series episode "On Earth, 200 years ago, I was a prince..." The original Star Trek series takes place in the 23rd century. Y'all didn't know that I was also a ST buff, did ya? :) - E Sender Path: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 12:34:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27228; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:44:53 -0800 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27221; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:44:49 -0800 Received: from gw by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA18677; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:44:15 -0800 Received: from digipix.com (host3) by gw (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA03262; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:45:04 -0800 Message-Id: Date: 8 Mar 1996 11:45:24 U From: "Bart Cheever" Subject: Re: Record Crates Needed To: "Andrew B. Lawson" , "Dirceu Pereira" Cc: "sfraves*" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>>Record Crates Needed Or it sounds like Zebra records maybe? -------------------------------------- Date: 3/8/96 11:43 AM To: Bart Cheever From: Andrew B. Lawson On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Dirceu Pereira wrote: > At 01:06 PM 3/4/96 U, Bart Cheever wrote: > >Does anyone have any suggestions where I can get flight cases for my records cheap? > > > I saw them in a Hip-Hop shop before Haight & Ashbury.. actually on haight, not very far from Luv'N'Haight's shop. > > Hope it helps. actually I have only been to SF twice, so i am not aware exactly where this shop is located at> > I think this sounds like Behind the Post Office on Haight, they have record boxes, but they don't really fall under the cheap category. Peace Andrew ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by digipix.com with SMTP;8 Mar 1996 11:40:39 U Received: from nature.berkeley.edu by gw (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA03233; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:38:19 -0800 Received: (from lawson@localhost) by nature.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA05765; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:32:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:32:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew B. Lawson" To: Dirceu Pereira Cc: Bart Cheever , sfraves* Subject: Re: Record Crates Needed In-Reply-To: <199603072134.SAA00672@fama.ibase.br> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 12:37:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26234; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:34:11 -0800 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26224; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:34:04 -0800 Received: from gw by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA17964; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:33:03 -0800 Received: from digipix.com (host3) by gw (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA03220; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:34:00 -0800 Message-Id: Date: 8 Mar 1996 11:35:31 U From: "Bart Cheever" Subject: Re: dumb mixing board kwest To: "Jonathan Mark Logan" Cc: "friends&family" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>>dumb mixing board kwestion Yeah, basically phono level is much weaker than line level, so the phono inputs have a preamp which boosts the level to match line level. That's why if you plug a line level input into the phono input you may hear distortion in the signal. -------------------------------------- Date: 3/7/96 10:17 PM To: Bart Cheever From: Randy C Cone On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Jonathan Mark Logan wrote: > > > duh, what's the difference between the phono and line inputs on a mixing > board? are they calibrated to handle levels differently? could I plug a > CD player into the phono line if I have to? > > thx, > > jon > > I just bought a Numark dm1100X and am very pleased with it... :) Phono lines are at a different line level (and may be calibrated with a different 'zero' level) And have an eq filter to adjust for eqing done (when the lp is cut) on lps so that phat bass lines or cymbal crashes do not cause the needle to go into orbit. The inverse of this eqing is applied with the phono input in order to restore the 'orignal' sound. Not a good idea to put CD line in phono and vica versa. Ran @ Dionysus Dreams (happy spins =) ) / =*=/ ~ ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by digipix.com with SMTP;7 Mar 1996 22:07:09 U Received: from taz.hyperreal.com by gw (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA02309; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:04:48 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA09069; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:58:15 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA09046; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:58:11 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA09036; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:58:08 -0800 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id VAA24712; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:58:00 -0800 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.13/4.7) id VAA00289; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:57:59 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:57:58 -0800 (PST) From: Randy C Cone Subject: Re: dumb mixing board kwestion To: Jonathan Mark Logan Cc: friends&family In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 14:03:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA09805; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:03:05 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA09785; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:02:56 -0800 Received: from pandora.ucdavis.edu (pandora.ucdavis.edu [128.120.2.152]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA09220 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from by pandora.ucdavis.edu (8.6.13/UCD3.5.1) id NAA06465; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:12:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:12:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199603082112.NAA06465@pandora.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Random hugs = Lack of Female DJ's X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk I haven't been following either of these threads, but maybe there's a lack of female dj's because of all those people giving random hugs. Ya think? Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 14:07:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA10535; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:07:01 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA10486; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:06:53 -0800 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com (jsl@netcom20.netcom.com [192.100.81.133]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA09104 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA10292; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:58:22 -0800 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199603082058.MAA10292@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's To: TBOBSC@tevm2.nsc.com Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:58:21 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM In-Reply-To: <9603081936.AA16452@nsc.nsc.com> from "TBOBSC@tevm2.nsc.com" at Mar 8, 96 11:36:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk > > FROM: Robert Brown > > SUBJECT: Re: Lack of Khan > > Hmmm....as I recall Khan's time was actually in the 1990's not > in the 21st century. Perhaps the Space Seed episode needs to be > found and viewed again... I seem to remember the date mentioned > was either 1996 or 1998. > > Does anyone know if the original series is still shown? KBHK (44) > used to show it late night (11 or midnight I think) on weekdays but > does not seem to any more. :-( > > *** Forwarding note from SMTP --TEVM2 03/08/96 09:44 *** > To: GEOFFW --CYBERTRIBE.COM GEOFF WHITE > > FROM: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) > SUBJECT: Re: Lack of Female DJ's > > Khan Noonian Singh, from the Star Trek original series episode "Space Seed" > and from my favorite Star Trek movie "Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan", was > a product of the 21st century. He said in the series episode "On Earth, > 200 years ago, I was a prince..." The original Star Trek series takes > place in the 23rd century. > > Y'all didn't know that I was also a ST buff, did ya? > > :) > > - E I was quite correct in pointing out the gfictional character Khan was from the 60's. I was, of course referring the to series, not the fictional events. I am also aware that Khan was a product of genetic engineering. Created by scientists during the eugenics wars. Space Seed aired in the mid 60's. That was the day of his birth, television wise. I am of course, correct. But this trivia has made me fatgiued again, with your permission people, I will retire to my quarters. Peace, Trek, & Fun, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 14:19:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA12977; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:19:58 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA12963; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:19:53 -0800 From: TKagnoff@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA18185; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:17:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:17:29 -0500 Message-ID: <960308171728_441542249@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: epaul@synopsys.com, SteveOSac@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: led zep/queen samples on johnny viscious trax Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk the remake was by johnny vicious. on the backside is a remake of we will rock you by queen. both tracks rock! it came out about 4-6 moths ago. i got my copy at soundworks. -theron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 14:30:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA14424; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:30:02 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA14397; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:29:53 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA02671 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:29:17 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA26721; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:29:18 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10038; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:29:15 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:33:03 -0800 To: TKagnoff@aol.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: led zep/queen samples on johnny viscious trax Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >the remake was by johnny vicious. on the backside is a remake of we will rock >you by queen. both tracks rock! it came out about 4-6 moths ago. i got my >copy at soundworks. > >-theron Thanks for the lead! So, everyone, where can a south bay raver go to look for this treasure? - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 14:32:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA14821; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:32:02 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14801; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:31:57 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA297104161; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:29:21 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:29:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: sfraves hosts To: "Jim S. Thompson" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, shawna-@ix.netcom.com In-Reply-To: <9603081817.AA08187@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk --------------- On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Jim S. Thompson wrote: > We need an SFRaves Host and Hostess to introduce everyone! > I've felt like one at times! :) Some of you have been nearly overwhelmed at my intoductions to our fellow sfravers. It's so much fun, though seeing everyone hit it off ("Oh, so *YOU'RE* so & so! I love your posts!" etc.) briefly out of a weird lurking mode... love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 14:36:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15431; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:36:59 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15424; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:36:56 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA15011; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:40:04 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9603081440.ZM15009@tempest.organic.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:40:04 -0800 In-Reply-To: "valis@execpc.com" "re Net Cop Filter Clog" (Mar 8, 2:53pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: "valis@execpc.com" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: re Net Cop Filter Clog Cc: caliban@organic.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mar 8, 2:53pm, valis@execpc.com wrote: > > Was going to send this thing to half the world, but then I suspected that > it's just a joke rather than a utility. > If there really is a way to make it work, let me know. >- End of excerpt from valis@execpc.com sure you could make it work. put this in all your html files: -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 -- analog synthesis -- chaotic good -- the internet is my ashtray From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 14:37:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA11930; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:12:20 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA11755; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:12:01 -0800 From: MEAD@uwplatt.edu Received: from palm (palm.ucs.uwplatt.edu [137.104.128.22]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA08759 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #4908) id <01I23KFB29868Y7N0K@uwplatt.edu>; Fri, 08 Mar 1996 14:18:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 14:18:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: Get ready SF! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I23KFB29888Y7N0K@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello friends, Midwest dude, clinton, here again, well, my countdown to San Francisco continues. I will be there in one week! Thank you all who replied to my first msg. From just watching the list, i knew you were wonderful ppl but the personal responses were even friendlier. i still don't have a set schedule for my trip march 16-23 except for a Free Radio Berkeley show on early Friday morning march 22nd, which i hope i'm still invited to! but i will be bringing my hardcore records down so if anyone is having a party they would like the midwest hardcore sound at, let me know! i'm also a devoted runner so if anybody wants to get together for a workout during the week, that'd be super cool! soon as i get a schedule somewhat made up, i'll post a physical description.....i really want to meet some of you. thanks again, clinton mead From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 14:39:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15808; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:39:30 -0800 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15801; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:39:26 -0800 From: TKagnoff@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA25262; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:39:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:39:47 -0500 Message-ID: <960308173946_441560674@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: dhchung@hyperreal.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: This Week's SFR Calendar! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i didn't see "nikita" on the list jeno, simon, &henrick are residents with guest doc martin on the 15, dmitry (dee-lite) on the 22nd, and keoki on the 29th. the location is 1015 folsom in s.f. i don't have the # handy, but will post it later. -theron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 14:43:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA16406; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:43:41 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA16387; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:43:36 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA03461 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:43:27 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA27791 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:43:26 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12771 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:43:23 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:47:12 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: LOVE Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To all who read this: You have been stamped with LOVE from E. P.! Hope y'all have a killer weekend :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 15:17:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA19935; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:17:48 -0800 Received: from isis.source.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA19924; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:17:41 -0800 Received: by isis.source.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id PAA05690; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:14:13 -0800 From: "anne petrie" Message-Id: <9603081514.ZM5688@isis.source.net> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:14:02 -0800 In-Reply-To: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) "Re: Random Hug Controversy" (Mar 8, 10:17am) References: <9603081817.AA08187@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson), sfraves@hyperreal.com, shawna-@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jim Thompson wrote: ."We need an SFRaves Host and Hostess to introduce everyone!" How about a cruise director? Like, "Hi, I'm Julie McCoy, your cruise director, Welcome to the Love Boat!" ;) I'll volunteer! warmly, -- Anne Petrie 3rd Wave Solutions E-mail: anne@3ws.com Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 15:29:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20816; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:29:41 -0800 Received: from jeeves.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20810; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:29:39 -0800 Received: from duckman.usfca.edu ([138.202.32.151]) by jeeves.usfca.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA04267 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:22:53 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:22:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199603082322.PAA04267@jeeves.usfca.edu> X-Sender: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) Subject: NEW CINDYTALK SHOW Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I probably should have posted this earlier, but the whole cindYtalk fiasco for the West Coast got resolved, and they're playing tonight: there will be a show in SF this friday, March 8th. it will be hosted by the "A Winter Gone By" folks at the Maritime Hall in SF (450 Harrison Street near 1st). Last weekend the evening was called "Labyrinth." It should be 18 and up. Jake Reichert | I used to be indecisive/ reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu | But now I'm not so sure... | -The The -------------------------------------------------------------------- "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES" B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------ The Happy Family A=====================================V Bulgarian Voices | Pixies | | | ____ | Bauhaus | Frazier Chorus | /| | /\ | | \ | Michael Brook | Spirea X | / | | / \ | | \ | The Breeders | Colourbox | / | | / \ | | | | Dead Can Dance | Dif Juz | /___| | /______\ | | | | Throwing Muses | The The | | | / \ | | / | Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema | | | / \ | |___ / | Cocteau Twins | Liquorice A=====================================M Lisa Germano | M|A|R|R|S X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides | The Birthday Party A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch | C.V.O | Air Miami Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks | Lisa Gerrard | Last Dance | Lush Modern English | Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde | This Mortal Coil The Wolfgang Press | Richenel | His Name Is Alive | Pale Saints The Glee Club --------------------------------- Colin Newman "LONELY IS AN EYESORE" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 15:54:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA22785; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:54:15 -0800 Received: from igate.3do.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22776; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:54:12 -0800 Received: from badger.3do.com (badger.3do.com [198.211.30.7]) by igate.3do.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA06451 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:48:43 -0800 Received: from 3do.com (qmgw2) by badger.3do.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16003; Fri, 8 Mar 96 15:53:35 PST Message-Id: Date: 8 Mar 1996 15:46:17 -0800 From: "Michele Dalessandri" Subject: Comparison? To: "sfraves" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Comparison? 3/8/96 3:40 PM Hi everyone, I have a question. Recently I was reading the spirit of raving archives and I've noticed a lot of old archives talking about how much the scene has changed since 91/92. Has anyone out there been in the scene that long and can you tell me what you think the differences are. Since I'm very new to the scene I have nothing to compare it to except the Dead scene which is something altogether different. Is the energy that much more negative now? Has time corrupted it? I'd love to hear what your perspective is. eskimo, butterfly, forehead kiss Michele From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 15:56:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA23091; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:56:34 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA23076; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:56:30 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA09006; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:57:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:57:18 -0800 (PST) To: Rocky Mullin cc: "valis@execpc.com" , sfraves@hyperreal.com, caliban@organic.com Subject: Re: re Net Cop Filter Clog In-Reply-To: <9603081440.ZM15009@tempest.organic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Rocky Mullin wrote: > On Mar 8, 2:53pm, valis@execpc.com wrote: > > > > Was going to send this thing to half the world, but then I suspected that > > it's just a joke rather than a utility. > > If there really is a way to make it work, let me know. > >- End of excerpt from valis@execpc.com > > > sure you could make it work. > > put this in all your html files: > > > Or something much simpler: Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 16:10:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA24495; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:10:17 -0800 Received: from eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA24482; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:10:11 -0800 Received: from sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id QAA18549; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:09:24 -0800 Received: from ifs2.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13077; Fri, 8 Mar 96 16:09:03 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 16:09:03 PST From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Message-Id: <9603090009.AA13077@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: anne@isis.source.net, jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, shawna-@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> How about a cruise director? Like, "Hi, I'm Julie McCoy, your cruise >> director, Welcome to the Love Boat!" >> ;) I'll volunteer! >> Anne Petrie I think we should have a designated host(ess) at events who will wear some sort of "super" SFR badge so EVERYONE will know at least one person they can come up to and say "Hi" (and by hanging out by the host(ess) they can meet the people who meet the host(ess) ) - why it could lead to a CHAIN REACTION OF FRIENDLINESS!!! just a thought! jim thompson - cube root fact axon info grid data fate ::: ..::. ....: ::::.:::::: . ....::... :: .:..::::: ....:::.....::.:::::::::.. .. :..::::: .:.:..:.. ..: ...::::..:. . ...:: : .... :........:.: ..... ::... .::::::: ...:::: ... :..... ..::... :::..:::....:: .:......::.. :::::.:: ::..... "there is always soma, delicious soma, half a gramme for a half-holiday, a gramme for a week-end, two grammes for a trip to the gorgeous East, three for a dark eternity on the moon....." Brave New World, Aldous Huxley, 1932 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 16:19:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25311; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:19:16 -0800 Received: from isis.source.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA25298; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:19:09 -0800 Received: by isis.source.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id QAA06606; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:16:15 -0800 From: "anne petrie" Message-Id: <9603081616.ZM6604@isis.source.net> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:16:05 -0800 In-Reply-To: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) "Re: Random Hug Controversy" (Mar 8, 4:09pm) References: <9603090009.AA13077@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson), sfraves@hyperreal.com, shawna-@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jim Thompson wrote: >I think we should have a designated host(ess) at events who >will wear some sort of "super" SFR badge so EVERYONE will >know at least one person they can come up to and say "Hi" >(and by hanging out by the host(ess) they can meet the >people who meet the host(ess) ) - why it could lead to a >CHAIN REACTION OF FRIENDLINESS!!! Actually, something similar to this was tried at the E-Ticket last year. I made necklaces with cardboard Sesame Street dominos on them. The idea was you walk around to who ever is wearing one and you see which two characters they have on thier domino and if the characters on theirs match the characters on your domino necklace. Anyway, they worked as conversation pieces, rather than name tags but I met quite a few new people that night. It was fun. On the back of each domino there is a star and I wrote, "If you breathe and persist, anything is possible. Love the Vibe Tribe" Have a wonderful weekend everyone. Think good thoughts! warmly, -- Anne Petrie 3rd Wave Solutions E-mail: anne@3ws.com Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 16:22:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25640; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:22:28 -0800 Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA25615; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:22:20 -0800 Received: from inanna.ccnet.com (h97-145.ccnet.com [192.215.97.145]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA20309; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:16:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3140D01E.7427@ccnet.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 16:26:06 -0800 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Nomura CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: The final word? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sean, First, I=92m sorry that I sent you two of these things, I=92m just getting = the hang of posting a reply. Secondly, you are absolutely correct when you stated that there is a = definite difference in brain development between man and women. And = there are _many_ other genuine differences indeed. We need to ask for = ourselves what these biological differences mean in the manifestation of = mental and physical ability for man and for women. In the few parenting = magazines I read, there is a very vocal backlash happening from men who = are the primary caregivers for their children. They are completely = questioning the old tenet that women are "born nurturers, and men have = to learn nurturing skills." I think we will soon see new research = questioning the old schools of thought. I=92m not sorry to say that you are so very wrong about women not being = quickly aroused by male flesh. Sean, it doesn=92t need to move or shake. = And I have never witnessed a guy coming spontaneously when presented = with arousing visual stimulus. We=92re all human and we all have to pass = through the same stages of sexual arousal before orgasm. The length of = time for both men and women in those stages is generally the same., = Johnson & Johnson, (not Masters & Johnson,) were the research team that = came up with the study results that erroneously concluded that _it takes = men two minutes to come and women 14 minutes to come in similar research = situations_. We need to look and the year this study was done, (the = 1970=92s,) and the current social mores of the study participants at that = time, as variables affecting this study. Johnson & Johnson did a great = job of broadening our then current views on sexuality, but so much work = has been done since then. = It is impossible to tell what women or men feel about visual stimulus = and their emotional detachment/ engagement at the time. Yes, our = biology=92s are different, but those differences do not translate enough = for your broad generalizations. The only way to know for sure is to = query the person specifically. We are all individuals, with our own = unique pasts, and our perspectives of our environment. This brings me = to my final point. (Amen.) Women and men are all human, which means = there is no certain way to predict their behavior along gender lines. = All men and women should be treated on an individual basis. Do yourself a favor and quit trying to figure women out. It takes all = of the fun out of interactions with people if you can always predict = what they are going to do or say next. I myself run through the full = spectrum of personality types. Sometimes I=92m aggressive and sometimes I = love being coy, it depends on my mood, my company, my frame of = reference, the amount of E flowing through my body, and many other = variables, too numerous to list here. I hope I never become = predictable! Sean, I=92ve had a good time with this series of letters. And, I do not = expect you to change your viewpoints just because of my responses, or = the responses of others. You had your eyes opened to my perspective. I = have faith that a little of what I=92ve said may influence your = experiences with women and men in the future. I think you are a great = person for being brave enough to air your views. Maybe we will run into = each other at a rave some day. I would like that. But I might not hug = you depending on my mood... PLU & Respect Diana From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 16:23:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25740; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:23:21 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA25734; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:23:18 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.207] (u2w38.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.207]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA00862 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:23:14 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:23:14 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (michal migurski) Subject: Wayne, are you there? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wayne Correia! (sp?) I missed MAD last week, but I'm going back this week... was wondering if you were going to bring some laminates... I'm still looking forward to getting mine. Does anyone know monday's lineup? thanks, -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 16:34:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26546; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:34:20 -0800 Received: from eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26541; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:34:16 -0800 Received: from sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id QAA20303; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:33:58 -0800 Received: from ifs2.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13580; Fri, 8 Mar 96 16:33:36 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 16:33:36 PST From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Message-Id: <9603090033.AA13580@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Powerful, Non-Rave Music! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> I LOVE hearing powerful non-rave music played at the volume with the bass >> that we are so used to, it makes you really stop and listen in a whole >> new way! Speaking of which, for those who are into PNRM, Frontline Assembly and Die Krupps are coming! Frontline Assembly, aka Delerium aka Noise Unit aka Intermix (!!!) are coming to the Trocadero in SF on March 26 and the Edge in Palo Alto on March 27. I saw FLA about 2-3 years ago and was completely blown away. It was a total audio-visual assault with a big video wall showing RAPIDLY changing images for the whole performance while computer controlled lights swept the audience. Die Krupps are a very heavy German noise dance-industrial group that are most excellent! Look for me there. I'm 6'4" with a goatee, will be wearing some of my blinky electronic art wearables (so I'm not too hard to spot ;-) jim thompson - cube root fact axon info grid data fate ::: ..::. ....: ::::.:::::: . ....::... :: .:..::::: ....:::.....::.:::::::::.. .. :..::::: .:.:..:.. ..: ...::::..:. . ...:: : .... :........:.: ..... ::... .::::::: ...:::: ... :..... ..::... :::..:::....:: .:......::.. :::::.:: ::..... "Melt to the Music of the Drums, for I am you and you are I" - Brave New World, Aldous Huxley, 1932 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 17:04:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA28996; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:04:40 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA28990; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:04:37 -0800 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id RAA21765; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:13:48 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:13:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199603090113.RAA21765@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Michele Dalessandri" , "sfraves" From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: Comparison? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 03:46 PM 3/8/96 -0800, Michele Dalessandri wrote: > Comparison? 3/8/96 3:40 PM > >Hi everyone, > >I have a question. Recently I was reading the spirit of raving archives and >I've noticed a lot of old archives talking about how much the scene has >changed since 91/92. Has anyone out there been in the scene that long and can >you tell me what you think the differences are. Since I'm very new to the >scene I have nothing to compare it to except the Dead scene which is something >altogether different. Is the energy that much more negative now? Has time >corrupted it? I'd love to hear what your perspective is. > >eskimo, butterfly, forehead kiss >Michele In those years everything was new, Jeno had long hair :) And George Bush was still president, in society at large, there was an overwhelming athmosphere to conform to "family values" which seemed to exclude anyone who was trasgendered or anyone who took drugs or dared to be open about their sexuality. The parties at that time were mostly underground and outlawed. People didn't push by you when you were tr/dancing. They consisted of young, old, gay straight, black, white, yellow, people in ties, people in Dr. Suess outfits. Some of the venues that people found to hold parties were simply marvelous, like the Scandia way up on Hwy 101 and the after party along the russian river, (I had my first trance experience at this party dancing my ass off in a Scandia batting pratice pit, with Earnie Munson opening my brain like a can opener :) It was a distinct challenge to the zeitgeist to dance with abandon under a renegade moon. Many bonds were formed then, many a life saved and love lost. It seemed like there was a never ending supply of good E and good people to share it with. We called it "The Family" instead of "The Scene". It was small, wonderous and beautiful. G From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 17:23:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA00992; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:23:55 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA00982; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:23:52 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA11276 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:23:48 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA08942; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:23:47 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA13130; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:23:44 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:27:32 -0800 To: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Comparison? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk (Partial of Geoff's post) >It was a distinct challenge to the zeitgeist to dance with >abandon under a renegade moon. Many bonds were formed then, many a life >saved and love lost. It seemed like there was a never ending supply of good >E and >good people to share it with. We called it "The Family" instead of "The >Scene". > >It was small, wonderous and beautiful. > > > G It sounds to me like this is what we're all trying to re-create/promote/carry on, even those like me who are relative newcomers. With the possible exception of E, because of lack of quality control, never knowing what it's cut with, etc. OK, so that's how it may have been back in the dayz. What about now? What are people's perceptions of the current situation by comparison? How 'bout we don't compare it to anything, and just love it for what we make it? Deeply thoughtful, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 17:26:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA01180; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:26:54 -0800 Received: from ix14.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA01175; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:26:51 -0800 Received: from by ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA15637; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:26:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:26:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199603090126.RAA15637@ix14.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Any raver fun for Saturday night in Seattle? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm gonna be in Seattle this weekend, just wanted to know if anybody here had any suggestions as to anything that might be going on up there whilst I visit? Don't know anything about the area, would be fun to take my friend I'm visiting to his first rave! Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 18:09:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA04352; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:09:58 -0800 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA04331; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:09:44 -0800 Received: from [153.37.82.100] (pool044.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.108]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA25051; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:08:15 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:09:20 +0200 To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) Subject: RE: Random Hug Controversy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I only recieved the first line of this...so I am sending it again. If you already got the whole message read no further, and could you let me know if it went through the first time. ( I am getting several posts with out messages in the body.. - E shared: >Introductions are better, then the hugs can follow once the names are known= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 18:17:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA05110; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:17:17 -0800 Received: from ucmsj.vatech.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA05102; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:17:14 -0800 From: tim744@silicon.email.net Received: (from mm@localhost) by ucmsj.vatech.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA22164 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:17:05 -0800 Received: by silicon.email.net (ucm/3.1) id AA21189.000; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:17:05 PST To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:17:05 PST Subject: Food not Bombs Message-Id: <9603081817.S268029729@silicon.email.net> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At least that's what I think it was called. Does anyone have the info number for this, or the post giving the info that someone can forward it to me. Thanks. Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 18:43:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA07380; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:43:34 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA07372; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:43:30 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA25412; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:43:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:43:21 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Ann Elizabeth Loraine cc: Shawna McGourty , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's In-Reply-To: <199603050946.BAA15607@uclink.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Ann, My computer tells me that on Tue, 5 Mar 1996, you shared (in part): > Here's a list of all the females I know of that play records: > > DRC, Clair, Tracy, Pollywog, Kelli, Laura, Bonny > > Can anybody add more names to this list? DJs Susan and Charlotte from Your Sister's House come to mind. I haven't talked to Susan in a while, but I know Charlotte's around, because I just discovered a couple weeks ago that she works where I do! She wouldn't be working there if she didn't need money, so if anyone would like to have her at a party, email me back and I'll connect you. I'm not a music expert, but I would say Charlotte's style is techno-trance. But take this with a large grain of salt. Much love, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 19:07:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA09491; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:07:40 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA09481; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:07:35 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA27596; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:07:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Ann Elizabeth Loraine cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: more about women in the scene In-Reply-To: <199603051029.CAA20240@uclink.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, My computer tells me that on Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Ann shared (again in part): > I worry that most of the producers of techno/house/ambient/trip hop music > are MEN. Their music will be recognized as visionary, which it > is, and will be remembered with respect fifty years from now, but I worry > that the mileu that the women have had a lot to do with creating and which > has made this music possible will end up as an amusing historical footnote. > And that their contribution will be seen as an accessory to the really > important stuff- the music- that is a male-dominated field at the moment. > > Record producers by and large start out as djs. If women don't start > spinning records in larger numbers, then most of the music will be made > by men. A situation that I would like to see get balanced out by more > women getting into spinning records. Even though I understand it, it often frustrates me how much need people seem to feel to relate to the accomplishments of others they perceive as being like themselves, whether it be others of the same race, or gender, or sexual preference, or what have you. Diversity is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged, but in the end it does not really matter so much who does a good thing, as that the thing gets done. Hopefully in our desire to see more female DJs, we will not lose sight of this and let it divide our unity. PLURally yours, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 19:45:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA13060; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:45:13 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA13050; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:45:10 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA26908 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:45:07 -0800 Received: (from fwolf@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id TAA03046; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:40:35 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:40:35 -0800 (PST) From: Frederick William Wolf Subject: NYTimes today To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For those who haven't looked, today's New York Times has a long article on the ambient scene in Manhattan. It's on their website @ http://www.nytimes.com/web/docsroot/yr/mo/day/news/arts/ny-ambient-clubs.html - fww From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 20:48:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA00712; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:48:49 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA00702; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:48:45 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (star@orion.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.236]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA10046 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id UAA05667; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:37:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:37:51 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Trolup@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: SFR PARTEE ANYBODY? In-Reply-To: <960306022416_439333832@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, April 22nd is Earth Day, there will probably be lots of events happening the previous weekend, but if we plan it this far off, ours could probably go off then as well, and I can't think of a more appropriate time of year to hold an outdoor daytime party. If we're considering a weekday, I'll vote for April 23rd since it's my birthday! 8) <<< Starchild >>> My computer tells me that on Wed, 6 Mar 1996 Jen shared: > ok so we have a BBQ expert...COOL!!!! and someone mentioned having our party > in late April....what does everybody think about having it on a > Sunday????....We could probably do this party at any park just as long as the > music isn't loud...or we could do it in Richmond where Sunset was last summer > and have loud music...any suggestions??? > LETS PLAN OUR PARTY TOGETHER!!!!!!!!! > > luv > jen > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 21:21:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA02866; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:21:52 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA02860; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:21:49 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id VAA08930; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:21:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:21:31 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Austin W cc: Brenda Brewer , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: How many people... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, My computer tells me that on Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Austin W shared: > > Bren wrote: > >On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Andy Thomas wrote: > > > >> > >> On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Matt Wietzke/DJ Xpress wrote: > >> > >> > Does anyone have a guestamate as to how many people are on this > >>mailing list? > >> > >> 441 on the main list, 1044 calendar only (!) > >> > >> Andy > >> > > > > wow..lotta lurkers...lurking's cool...:) > > > > bren > > Yeah and how many do you think might be BIG BROTHER...... > just something to ponder.....hmmmmmmmm..... Probably not even one, is my guess -- considering how many BBS's and lists are out there, many much more centered around talk of illegal actions than ours. Reading a book like Bruce Sterling's "The Hacker Crackdown" reveals how thin electronic law enforcement's resources are spread. Fortunately, I might add. The sad truth is that our own paranoia in this regard probably does much more to further the aims of Big Brother (by causing us to exercise self-censorship) than any number of actual monitors of this list would. <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 21:24:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA03091; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:24:16 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA03051; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:24:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf To: msgs@hyperreal.com cc: new-httpd@hyperreal.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, idm@hyperreal.com, ambient@hyperreal.com Subject: bandwidth and capacity problems on hyperreal Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This message is being posted to a couple of the larger mailing lists on hyperreal to which I am subscribed - if you are a list admin and want to post it to your list, then feel free, but there's no need to start a whole lot of discussion about it in public - please send any comments to me. Many of you have probably noted problems on hyperreal recently - the memory upgrade helped address some of the serious server performance problems, but in particular did not help bandwidth at all, and also did not help a problem with majordomo and mailing list delivery, with blank messages, multiple messages, missing messages, etc. To compound problems, I was out of town for most of this week, and did not get to see most of the problems while they were happening. So, here is a synopsis of the current state of things, and how they are being addressed. Bandwidth Right now as most of you know, Hyperreal shares two T1s to Sprintlink with: Organic, HotWired, Wired, Suck, BiancaTroll, bigbook.com, apache.org, and a bunch of other sites. Up until this last week the bandwidth picture wasn't pretty, but it was "alright" - at peaks during the day the link to sprintlink would be 75% loaded, and many times Sprintlink themselves would be flaky if not hosed. But it was manageable. Within the last week, though, two things have happened: www.levi.com, run by Organic, made it to Netscape's "what's cool!" page, and with its massive server-pushes, screamed to the tune of gigabytes per day over the connection. Secondly, bigbook.com, an Organic-related company, launched with a lot of press a yellow-pages service which has also been drawing a large number of hits. So, the T1's to the building are now maxed - for a while earlier today each T1 was delivering 1.49 mbits/sec, with the theoretical max of a T1 at 1.54 megabits/sec. Ugly! The solution: Organic is getting its two T1's in about two weeks. This has been in the planning stages for several months, which is the average time frame for getting new bandwidth. We are also getting two more T1's later to a different provider, allowing us some redundancy. This will happen soon, but not immediately. In the short term, the impact from Levi's is being turned down, but there will still be some significant lag to the system, so I recommend that people avoid even trying to read mail or do any other type of interactive communication with hyperreal. Cruising the web site is alright, but trying to write an email in pine is just impossible. I know, I was trying to do that from the IETF meeting. :) If the situation remains in the critical section, I may take action such as turning off the mail daemon on hyperreal in the middle of the day, or turning off immediate delivery for mailing lists, and then turning it on at night for later delivery. These are drastic, but temporary measures. Hell, I'm pushing for a T3. :) Mailing list problems Most of hyperreal's work load is based around the number of mail deliveries it does on a given day. On a slow day hyperreal delivers 20K messages. On a busy day it delivers well over 100K. This punishes the operating system at a pretty deep level - and the problem I've seen is that sendmail can't pass the message off to the program to do what it needs to do, generating an error message of "Cannot fork()". It has been difficult to track down the exact reason why it can't fork, and while I think I have finally nailed it down today (CHILD_MAX in the BSDI kernel config, I think the "daemon" user is exceeding it, for the techies out there) I'm still not sure. I will be upgrading to 2.1 this weekend, and finding more swap space, but this is an ongoing battle I thought I had solved when I bought more memory two weeks ago. Anyways, if you sent mail to hyperreal more than 12 hours ago and it has not shown up on the list yet (and mail usually gets delivered pretty quickly for you) then consider submitting it again, it may be lost. Hopefully this kernel config has fixed it, but we'll find out next week, since we usually don't hit this problem during the weekend. That's it. Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 21:38:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA04480; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:38:18 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA04474; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:38:12 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id CAA14564; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 02:34:19 -0300 Received: from du-38.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-38.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.38]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id CAA02038; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 02:34:16 -0300 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 02:34:16 -0300 Message-Id: <199603090534.CAA02038@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson), TKagnoff@aol.com From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Re: led zep/queen samples on johnny viscious trax Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 02:33 PM 3/8/96 -0800, Eric P. Peterson wrote: >>the remake was by johnny vicious. on the backside is a remake of we will rock >>you by queen. both tracks rock! it came out about 4-6 moths ago. i got my >>copy at soundworks. >> >>-theron > >Thanks for the lead! So, everyone, where can a south bay raver go to look >for this treasure? > >- E > It's a bootleg record, so i am sure it MAY be hard to find, specially because the buzz on this track may be gone now, and probably someone won't print other copies :> > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 21:57:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA05890; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:57:54 -0800 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA05883; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:57:50 -0800 Received: from [153.37.20.28] (pool020.Max2.San-Francisco.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.99.20]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA13573; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:56:31 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:56:31 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Michele Dalessandri" From: cnielsen@earthlink.net (Cortney Nielson) Subject: Re: Comparison? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Comparison? 3/8/96 3:40 PM > >Hi everyone, > >I have a question. Recently I was reading the spirit of raving archives and >I've noticed a lot of old archives talking about how much the scene has >changed since 91/92. Has anyone out there been in the scene that long and can >you tell me what you think the differences are. Since I'm very new to the >scene I have nothing to compare it to except the Dead scene which is something >altogether different. Is the energy that much more negative now? Has time >corrupted it? I'd love to hear what your perspective is. > >eskimo, butterfly, forehead kiss >Michele I don't think the scene has changed in a negative way at all, despite what a lot of people say. It has evolved, I have to say that. Many people come, many people go, and sometimes it happens so fast that it's hard to figure out what's going on sometimes. But the vibe's still there, I havent seen it dissapear at all. I went to my first party (Mr. Floppies) back in '90, and since then, yes, things have changed, but for the better. I think this is the only scene where the music changes and evolves so fast that our minds are always getting something new. Over the last 5 years, I met so many people, and changed my own life so much, so much more than I would have if I never went to these parties and met these people. Sometimes you can get lost in it all, and get confused because everything is going so fast, and some people drop out. Others come into the scene because they are lost, and the scene helps them find their way, and they move on. Others get so liberated by the scene that they become a vital part of it (Like the DJ's, the musicians, promoters, etc). I cant get enough of it, so I started cutting records of my own (New Central Fire records coming soon!!!). As far as comparing, I dont think you can compare this scene to anything. There is way too much to compare. peace- Courtney From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 23:28:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA11121; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:28:18 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA11115; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:28:16 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id XAA06094; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:28:15 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:29:59 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: Lack of Female DJ's Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Starchild wrote: >Dear Ann, >My computer tells me that on Tue, 5 Mar 1996, you shared (in part): >> Here's a list of all the females I know of that play records: >> >> DRC, Clair, Tracy, Pollywog, Kelli, Laura, Bonny >> >> Can anybody add more names to this list? > > DJs Susan and Charlotte from Your Sister's House come to mind. Emma. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Mar 8 23:28:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA11137; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:28:22 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA11132; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:28:19 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id XAA06099; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:28:19 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:30:03 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: This Week's SFR Calendar! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk TKagnoff@aol.com wrote: >i didn't see "nikita" on the list Is this replacing Mecca? At Come-Unity I picked up a flyer for each promising "Friday at 1015 Folsom." anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 01:40:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA22447; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 01:40:52 -0800 Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA22435; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 01:40:49 -0800 Received: (from ausman@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA15956 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 01:40:34 -0800 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 01:40:34 -0800 From: James Ausman Message-Id: <199603090940.BAA15956@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: food not bombs rave Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk A friend of mine who is involved with FNB in Berkeley told me this has been canceled. Jim Ausman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 06:52:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA16354; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 06:52:29 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA16348; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 06:52:26 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id GAA09200; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 06:52:21 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: HAwaII!!!!! Date: 08 Mar 1996 04:56:47 GMT Message-Id: <1441791.5269910@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk May anyone have some good info. on Hawaii or any of the islands, as far as places, cool hang outs, clubs, music (you know), some cool heads-whatever............got a friend heading out that way for a few....................................orb....................out From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 11:13:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA04744; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:13:39 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04737; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:13:34 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA04372 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:13:27 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA01776; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:13:21 -0800 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:13:14 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: NON RAVE: special artist Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk if you're into visionary stuff check out this amazing woman! http://www.teleport.com/~shakti ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:52:20 -0800 From: Julia White To: Brenda Brewer Subject: Re: hi :) You Too >BRENDA --- Also, would you tell the people on that list that Diana will be painting her Vision Quest psychic portraits live in Pasadena, CA on March 15-17. That is a wonderfully healing tool for all; problems or not. Please share my e-mail address with any who would like more details. ( Julia White, meyna@ix.netcom.com) from her web page: Diana Elizabeth Stanley is a native of California, born in Santa Monica of Lenni-Lenape (re-named the Delaware) Native heritage. Diana was born clairvoyant, and her Vision Quest Portraits and Destiny Portraits are her way of bringing Spirit messages to those she paints. please check out http://www.Powersource.com/gallery/womansp/diana.html love, bren, aka, shakti From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 11:46:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA07288; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:46:25 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA07270; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:46:09 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.28] by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b11); Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:46:04 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:47:57 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Astral Matrix Subject: Re: Comparisons??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >I don't think the scene has changed in a negative way at all, despite what >a lot of people say. It has evolved, I have to say that. Many people come, >many people go, and sometimes it happens so fast that it's hard to figure >out what's going on sometimes. But the vibe's still there, I havent seen >it dissapear at all. I went to my first party (Mr. Floppies) back in '90, >and since then, yes, things have changed, but for the better. I think this >is the only scene where the music changes and evolves so fast that our >minds are always getting something new. Over the last 5 years, I met so >many people, and changed my own life so much, so much more than I would >have if I never went to these parties and met these people. > Sometimes you can get lost in it all, and get confused because everything >is going so fast, and some people drop out. Others come into the scene >because they are lost, and the scene helps them find their way, and they >move on. Others get so liberated by the scene that they become a vital >part of it (Like the DJ's, the musicians, promoters, etc). I cant get >enough of it, so I started cutting records of my own (New Central Fire >records coming soon!!!). > As far as comparing, I dont think you can compare this scene to anything. >There is way too much to compare. > >peace- Courtney That hits it right on man. Sometimes when I hear people talk about how "good things were then and how things now suck" I just gotta laugh. I mean, are those people still paying attention??? The music (what really keeps me going) has just got more and more amazing. The VIBE can still manifest itself in all it's glory when things click (and they do click: last ComeUnity anyone?) Things are definitely evolving which also means changing. It seems to me that the people who end up "burning out" on the parties are into it for reasons other than the music. The music will never let you down. Feel it. andrew From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 12:01:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA08876; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 12:01:13 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA08855; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 12:00:55 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA035551420; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:57:00 -0800 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Comparison? To: "Eric P. Peterson" Cc: Geoff White , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > OK, so that's how it may have been back in the dayz. What about now? What > are people's perceptions of the current situation by comparison? How 'bout > we don't compare it to anything, and just love it for what we make it? I got into the scene on January 1, 1993, so I just missed rave's infancy. I gotta say, I'm not exactly a newcomer, but I have been around long enough to notice some change, although not as much as those who have been involved in the scene a longer time. My general attitude about comparisons with then and now is summed up in Eric's last sentance above. I don't compare it to anything and just love it for what I make of it. With that attitude, raves stay fresh, alive, new and continuously BEAUTIFUL. love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 13:17:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA16037; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:17:16 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA16026; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:17:09 -0800 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA28248; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:16:59 -0800 From: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice) Message-Id: <199603092116.NAA28248@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: Re: food not bombs rave To: ausman@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (James Ausman) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:16:59 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199603090940.BAA15956@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> from "James Ausman" at Mar 9, 96 01:40:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 658 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk James Ausman wrote: > > A friend of mine who is involved with FNB in Berkeley told me this has > been canceled. > > Jim Ausman > It's actually back on (as of 12:30 am last night) although it may be more downtemp/ambient later in the night. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:______________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 13:25:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA17070; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:25:28 -0800 Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA17064; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:25:25 -0800 Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA29673; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:24:35 -0500 Date: 09 Mar 96 16:21:33 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: Gender-free bathrooms Message-ID: <960309212133_71165.755_GHL123-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On this lovely topic.... I have no problems sharing bathrooms with men, but here's the catch ---- MEN PEE ON THE SEAT!! Why is this? If guys (and some women, I must say) could pay a little more attention to hitting the mark, this would surely work -- I mean, at lots of parties, there are only single restrooms, and we all use 'em - And the modesty issue should be minimal really, there's not much to see when guys are using a urinal -- I used to go to lots of gay clubs, and there ALL the bathrooms are men's rooms, no matter what's on the door - but no one ever minded a woman waiting in line with them.... once I was at a party at the Mission Rock, which was totally unprepared for the crowd and the women's room bathrooms backed up - I said I was going to use the men's room and the other woman in line said wistfully "I wish I could do that, but my boyfriend would kill me!" -- which I thought rather odd, since frankly a dirty men's room is pretty much the last place one would go to cruise, don't you think? It was, as it turns out, even funkier than the women's room and the gangster boys were rather taken aback at my presence, but hey, when you gotta go, you gotta go! Anyway ... we surely are straying into interesting territory here, aren't we? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 13:45:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA18383; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:45:13 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA18372; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:45:03 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.27] by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b11); Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:44:40 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 13:50:31 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Claire Korich Subject: Food Not Bombs Rave Tonight Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The Food not Bombs Rave will be happening tonight in east bay. There are only 200 tickets and I believe the New Moon Voicemail has the info. It should be a amazing night. There will also be a Free Outdoor Party by Afterglow in the Berkeley Marina as an after party to the Benefit. It will start at 10:00am. I don't know the New Moon # but I'm sure someone on this list has it around. Have a great weekend. -Claire From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 14:25:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA08094; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:25:08 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA08089; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:25:04 -0800 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA19845 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:25:02 -0800 Received: from milkweed.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (milkweed.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.96.106]) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02417 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:22:06 -0800 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:22:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199603092222.OAA02417@uclink2.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Michal Migurski Subject: Re: Powerful, Non-Rave Music! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I saw FLA about 2-3 years ago and was completely blown away. It > was a total audio-visual assault with a big video wall showing > RAPIDLY changing images for the whole performance while computer > controlled lights swept the audience. Die Krupps are a very well... I guess it's too bad that FLA have "evolved" into a cheezball heavy metal band... they used to be *so good* !!! I'm still in mourning... :) -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 17:16:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA20988; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:16:50 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA20981; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:16:47 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA27313; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:17:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:17:23 -0800 (PST) To: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: Gender-free bathrooms In-Reply-To: <960309212133_71165.755_GHL123-2@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On 9 Mar 1996, Leslie Ayres wrote: > On this lovely topic.... > > I have no problems sharing bathrooms with men, but here's the catch ---- MEN PEE > ON THE SEAT!! Why is this? If guys (and some women, I must say) could pay a > little more attention to hitting the mark, this would surely work -- I mean, at > lots of parties, there are only single restrooms, and we all use 'em - Probably because women have the nasty habit of leaving the seat down. ;-) Ducking and running for cover, Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 18:08:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA24258; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:08:16 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA24249; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:08:12 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b9); Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:08:02 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:07:33 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: BSP - O R I G I N Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tonite's Origin has the killer lineup: Matthew Simon Markie Ani (Dee-lite!/NYC) James Christian (club NASA/NYC) Garth 9pm until 7am -- get there early, it may to sell out! directions: 415.675.5605 415.541.5646 408.236.3398 916.484.4213 peace! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 19:11:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA28211; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:11:11 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA28205; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:11:08 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA12813 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:32:58 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA21154; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:32:57 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA19464; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:32:54 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:36:39 -0800 To: volt@best.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Hey everybody Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'd say go to a party by yourself or with some friends who are open-minded. That way y'all can look out for each other (as most of the rest of us will, anyway). Go in with NO expectations, but with high hopes of making new friends, hearing some dynamite dance music, and having FUN!!! Stay as long as you like (I like to stay till the end, then go outside and greet the day as the sun kisses us good-morning and we say "see ya next time"). Dig, - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 19:21:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA28705; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:21:32 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA28699; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:21:29 -0800 Received: from [206.123.34.87] (g34-87.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03141; Sat, 9 Mar 96 22:21:05 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:27:34 -0500 To: ne-raves@world.std.com From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: signs and symptoms of inner peace Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, First, sorry about the spam :) Second, i just finished HTMLizing a thing i designed for this zine. The pages are about "the signs and symptoms of inner peace" so take a look pleez. THe addy is http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto/main.html or you can get in through the centre part of my homepage :) take it easy! brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 20:30:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA03136; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:30:59 -0800 Received: from shell.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA03128; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:30:56 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp104.liberty.com [199.89.140.4]) by shell.liberty.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA03360 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:29:04 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960310043540.006c677c@shell.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@shell.liberty.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 20:35:40 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: New Moon Number, Please Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Any Alien's out there have the number to the New Moon? Sin Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 22:15:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA10706; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:15:51 -0800 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA10701; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:15:47 -0800 Received: (from keiper@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) id WAA78903; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:15:45 -0800 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:15:44 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Keiper To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: lost calendar In-Reply-To: <960223210836_430230011@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk could someone please send me a copy of the calendar? thank you very much...! kevin ;) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Mar 9 23:50:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA15116; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:50:12 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA15110; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:50:09 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tvftI-000D8XC; Sat, 9 Mar 96 23:50 PST Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:50:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: legality of beach parties? To: "happy ravers." Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk im wondering how legal it is to have a daytime beach party with amplified sound? anyone? is a permit necessary? energy, tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 03:17:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA02910; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:17:30 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA02905; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:17:28 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id DAA21369; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:17:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:17:22 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: SteveOSac@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: The Cute, The Icky, and The Yucky In-Reply-To: <960307180726_240211827@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear SteveO, Ugh, is this ickiness catching? 8) It can't be widespread, since I can't remember seeing anyone at a rave who I would describe as icky (let alone yucky), at least at the beginning of a party. By the end of the night however, particularly when spaces are hot and crowded and the beat is good ((On the first night, the DJ made the beat, and heard that it was good)) ravers often become icky. As far as yucky, that can be blamed on the thoughtless souls who throw their chewing gum on the floor to be picked up by other less fortunate soles. <<< Starchild >>> ;) My computer tells me that on Thu, 7 Mar 1996 SteveO shared: > Re the boy girl hugz prefs: yes I will be more quick to hug a woman, > sometimes it feels better, we're so busy being manly all the time, that the > need for female energy sometimes gets out of control, so please, if you see > me comin at you with my arms open wide, please don't deny me. But I'll be > sure to get your name first. And should I sense you find me "icky", Ill have > the consideration to seek alternatives. > Steveo > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 03:23:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA03101; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:23:45 -0800 Received: from fruitfly.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA03095; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:23:42 -0800 Received: (from gregg@localhost) by fruitfly.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA25659; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:15:31 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:15:30 -0800 (PST) From: Gregg Helt To: Brian DarknEs^2 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: New Moon Number, Please In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960310043540.006c677c@shell.liberty.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, Brian DarknEs^2 wrote: > BY YOUR COMMAND; > > Any Alien's out there have the number to the New Moon? (415)267-3076 gregg From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 04:10:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA07943; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:10:18 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA07835; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:10:12 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id EAA22808; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:10:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:10:07 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Diana Greer cc: Sean Nomura , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey In-Reply-To: <313FFB3F.2C10@ccnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Diana (& Friends & Family), My computer tells me that on Fri, 8 Mar 1996, you shared (in part): > Coping the anonymous feel,(done either to a man or to a woman,) is not=20 > about affection, it is about power and objectifying the person you=92re= =20 > "feeling up". Men are socially conditioned to view this as a=20 > compliment, while most women these days are aware that it is invasive. = =20 I am tempted to turn this sentence around so that it reads: =09"Women are socially conditioned to view this as invasive, while=20 =09 most men these days are aware that it is a compliment." =09Just because it isn't affectionate in an emotional sense doesn't=20 mean a lusty grope isn't a compliment. I don't think many people are=20 going to feel up someone they don't find attractive. =09Now before the flames start, let me say clearly that I'm not suggesting= =20 anyone should cop random feels. Since some people don't like it, it's best= =20 to refrain unless you have good reason to believe it would be welcome. =09What I do wish to communicate is that those of us who enjoy being felt= =20 up from time to time do not have a less valid point of view than those who= =20 do not, whether we be female or male. > I believe that men who receive such invasive treatment have the same=20 > feelings as women have about it, but don=92t want to risk appearing=20 > "unmanly," and instead project the facade that they enjoy it. =09In my case it's not a facade -- I generally *do* enjoy it, as=20 long as it's done in a friendly manner. I'm also bisexual, and not=20 terribly concerned about being perceived as "unmanly." If that were a=20 concern, I definitely wouldn't wear some of the stuff I wear to raves. 8) > Current research has found that both men and women are equally excited=20 > sexually by visual stimulus. But, the women participating in the study= =20 > reported their level of sexual excitement to be very low, even though=20 > the monitoring equipment proved that they were having the same intensity= =20 > of arousal as the men in the study, and, that it took both men and women= =20 > about the same length of time to become aroused even though the men in=20 > the study remarked early on that they were feeling aroused, and the=20 > women reported their excitement level as being less, and later. (I can= =20 > supply the article about this study if you want to have it.) >=20 > So why does there seem to be a marked difference in real life? Perhaps= =20 > again it is our social conditioning to gender roles. Men have always=20 > been encouraged by our culture to act on visual stimulus, while women=20 > have been conditioned by their families and their community to deny=20 > their very real, sexual responses. =20 >=20 This observation seems more even-handed and matches my own perceptions. > As for the bathroom thing, when you have to go you have to go. =20 > Expediency is the real issue here. Because of the feeling of community=20 > and PLUR that happens at raves, its obvious that both men and women=20 > generally feel okay about sharing accommodations. I have seen men in=20 > the women=92s=92 bathrooms at raves, but usually if you=92re a guy, and y= ou=20 > don=92t need to sit down on a toilet seat to do your business, going to= =20 > the men=92s room will guarantee a shorter, faster line.=20 >=20 > Lets face it, gender differences between men and women are very real. =20 > Part of being CONCIOUS in the 90=92s requires that we acknowledge that me= n=20 > and women are humans, influenced by our own particular biologies, but=20 > also more strongly influenced by our societal gender roles, overt and=20 > unspoken. =20 >=20 > I would also like to add here that I think the rave community has done a= =20 > good job of bringing the new consciousness into our everyday life. =20 > Ravers question their world, and bring fresh perspectives to old=20 > viewpoints. > =20 Well said Diana! I hope you and others don't find my perspective *too*=20 "fresh". 8) Cheers, =09=09=09=09<<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 04:12:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA08246; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:12:47 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA08241; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:12:45 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id EAA22858; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:12:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:12:33 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Geoff White cc: Diana Greer , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey In-Reply-To: <199603081352.FAA19890@precipice.v-site.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > So tell me, have you read any of Camille Paglia's > works and if so, what do you think of them? [What you just heard was the sound of a can of worms being opened...] ;) <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 04:19:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA08818; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:19:44 -0800 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA08812; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:19:41 -0800 From: Trolup@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA06669 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 07:20:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 07:20:36 -0500 Message-ID: <960310072035_442600066@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: JIM T., THE BIRTHDAY BOY! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!! IM A FISHY TOO!!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 04:43:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA09625; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:43:51 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA09620; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:43:48 -0800 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id EAA24794; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:53:03 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 04:53:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199603101253.EAA24794@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Tom Leichardt , "happy ravers." From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: legality of beach parties? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:50 PM 3/9/96 -0800, Tom Leichardt wrote: > >im wondering how legal it is to have a daytime beach party with amplified >sound? >anyone? is a permit necessary? > >energy, >tom > > Depends on where you have it, in the case of The People of the United States of America vs. Geoffrey A. White I was charged with Operating a P.A. system on National Park property without a permit. and Operating a gas powered generator on National Park property with out a permit. Both citations were $50. We did a small renagade at North Beach Point Reyes. It wasn't very big but Ethan, Unknown and John Lee played. We started at about 3 a.m. and had about 20 people, by 7 we had had enough fun watching a beautiful sunrise and decided to pack it in. While we were carrying the equipment off of the beach, a ranger shows up. He's pissed that he missed the party :) and started giving us a lot of shit. But since we were done and told him that, we figured there wasn't much he could do, well, he threatened to call his "boss" who would most likely want to impound the equipment, (I doubted that this would actually happen but since it wasn't my equipment at risk, (but it was my party) I deemed it best to take the rap so he wrote the tickets to me, I told him I would see him in court. So the court date comes and it is right before "Burning Man" and I was suppose to leave on that day, but I deamed that it was important to push back just a little. So I went to court to plead my case. I told the magistrate (she decides whether a full court hearing is necessary) that we had set up the equipment in the early morning, that we had come out there to be able to play music and not disturb anybody. When daylight came we cleaned up. and by 8 am any joggers or surfers or old folks strolling would never have know that we were there. The ranger had taken photos of the generator and large PA system (both packed in the truck) as evidence of our wrongdoing. He did admit that we were co-operative, the beach was clean and there was no sign of alcohol or drug use [:)-ed] I told her that we had deployed the system but, technicaly, the ranger did not observe a crime taking place and did not know, until we told him that we had been there all night. I told here that we didn't think we needed permits to do such a thing but that if it is a simple problem of filling out the paperwork that we would be glad to do so in the future as we wanted to comply with the law on this matter but felt it our right to peaceably assemble on public lands for purposes of celebration of spirit. She looked at the Ranger, he frowned and said that our stereo was way to large and that people strolling or fishing didn't want to be bothered by this noise and that if I applied for permits, he would refuse them, I said "then I will apply to your supervisor", "He will refuse them as well", I said "On what grounds" He said that he didn't need any grounds. I said "With all due respect officer, I think it's your job to enforce the law, not your own social engineering agenda" at this point he became noticeably pissed off (red in the face:). The Magistrate steps in and makes a "compromise", she drops the PA charge and lowers the fine for the generator to $25, which I agreed to, (I suppose I could have refused and asked for a trial but I felt that at least the Magistrate saw a bit of the Light, I knew it, I could see it in her eyes during my interaction with the Ranger), I know in her position, this being the Police State that it is, the courts won't go against a cop unless you have a really good lawyer and/or a really bad cop. O.J. prooved this. My public defender, who saw me briefly before the "trial" said to me afterwards, "Not bad for an amature, I didn't expect you to get that far :)". So that's the story I have to tell about National Seashores and the Law, but please bear in mind that people have had parties on that beach on south beach and other beaches north of, south of, and in, San Francisco. That's what makes these parties special, you never know what might happen, but then, people have been know to go to extremes just to hear some House Music :) G From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 10:33:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA26897; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:33:13 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA26892; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:33:10 -0800 Received: from [153.36.85.88] (Cust24.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.85.88]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA20955 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:32:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199603101832.KAA20955@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:33:29 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Origin report Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Origin report ------------- Well, I just got back from Origin, and because it was the only thing in town, decided to check it out.... Sure wish I had a phone number to just ONE SFRaver, because I would have called and said "Don't bother, stay home this weekend". Anyways, to keep it simple, the greedy venue nazis had stasi police in the restrooms, not allowing anyone to fill up their water bottles, and at one point, they closed down the stairway between the main room and the upstairs restrooms, making it literally impossible to get upstairs to use the "Loo". For a while, they opened up the door to the outside and brought the temperature down to a reasonable level, and they even let some people go outside to cool off, but later on, they had the place buttoned down tighter than Ft Knox. Yukk!!! Temperatures must have been 120 degrees and 100% humidity... At about 5 am, the music started to really slow down into some funkey hip hop toons, but at this point, dancing was almost impossible, the heat was stifling, and I proposed to my friend that we leave early. Everyone agreed... By that time, many other people were getting the idea and left as well.... Freq-8 where were you... we could have used an outdoor party.... Anyway, I hope that other may have enjoyed Origin better than I did, and I should have tried to contact some other SFRavers to warn them not to bother to show up. I really can't blame the promoters for this one, I'm sure they didn't know about the water situation, but later on, things got so crowded that the goons finally gave up and let us fill our water bottles, but by that time, just getting to the loo to fill our bottles resulted in a hot steambath, and 45 minutes at least to get up there. Kudos to one of the gals who promoted the gig, that helped me out and bought me some water.... It saved my life, literally. Anyway, the $20 price for such a small crowded venue is really too much. Of course, they probably knew it was the only thing going on in town. Anyway, we should set up a "Bad rave Alert system" where we all should know the phone number to at least ONE SFRaver so we can call in and report "Don't bother to come", and have that person post it so others don't get sucked into going. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 11:33:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA02732; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:33:51 -0800 Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02725; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:33:48 -0800 Received: from inanna.ccnet.com (h97-157.ccnet.com [192.215.97.157]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23579; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:27:52 -0800 Message-ID: <31432F67.4E5E@ccnet.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:37:11 -0800 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Starchild CC: Sean Nomura , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Random Hug Controversey References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Starchild, Thank you for sharing. I stand by what I wrote. No changes at all. = However, sweetie, now that I know your feelings on the anonymous grope, = I=92ll be making my introductions to you in a most unique manner. You are = a beautiful man and I have been secretly wanting to "pay you a = compliment" for a long time. I have always been worried about how you = would tolerate it! *big, BIG, SMILE* And now I know=85. Looking forward to seeing you, Diana From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 13:00:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09708; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:00:34 -0800 Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09700; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:00:30 -0800 Received: from inanna.ccnet.com (h97-157.ccnet.com [192.215.97.157]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00828; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:55:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3143440D.494C@ccnet.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:05:17 -0800 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inanna@ccnet.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: [Fwd: (fyi) join free speech lawsuit online] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Received: from lh.cyberwerks.com (lh.cyberwerks.com [140.174.80.1]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA10866 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:46:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by lh.cyberwerks.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA04322 for craigs-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:31:41 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:31:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199603101631.IAA04322@lh.cyberwerks.com> From: Craig Newmark Subject: (fyi) join free speech lawsuit online To: craigs-list@cyberwerks.com Sender: owner-craigs-list@cyberwerks.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 826482852.010 Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 It looks like Steve Silberman and some of the folks at HotWired are making it easy for us to join as plaintiffs in a suit against the censorship law filed by the Citizens Internet Empowerment Coalition. Check out http://www.hotwired.com/special/lawsuit/ ____________________________________________________ Craig Newmark cnewmark@well.com 415.753.6394 http://www.cnewmark.com __________________________________________________________________________ a leisure time production of digital://threads and Liberty Hill Cyberwerks From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 13:02:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09969; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:02:56 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09960; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:02:53 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA07346; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:02:40 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:02:40 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Starchild From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: more about women in the scene Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Dear Friends & Family, > >My computer tells me that on Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Ann shared (again in part): > >> I worry that most of the producers of techno/house/ambient/trip hop music >> are MEN. Their music will be recognized as visionary, which it >> is, and will be remembered with respect fifty years from now, but I worry >> that the mileu that the women have had a lot to do with creating and which >> has made this music possible will end up as an amusing historical footnote. >> And that their contribution will be seen as an accessory to the really >> important stuff- the music- that is a male-dominated field at the moment. >> >> Record producers by and large start out as djs. If women don't start >> spinning records in larger numbers, then most of the music will be made >> by men. A situation that I would like to see get balanced out by more >> women getting into spinning records. > > Even though I understand it, it often frustrates me how much need >people seem to feel to relate to the accomplishments of others they >perceive as being like themselves, whether it be others of the same race, >or gender, or sexual preference, or what have you. > Diversity is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged, but in >the end it does not really matter so much who does a good thing, as that >the thing gets done. Hopefully in our desire to see more female DJs, we >will not lose sight of this and let it divide our unity. > >PLURally yours, > <<< Starchild >>> I have talked about this problem so much that it has become an excersize in tedium for me. In short this scene is male dominated. Females are relegated, often enough, as accesories to a party, or participating as paying patrons. There is very real, and active discrimination of females here in SF (I cannot account for any other scene/locale). Ask any female DJ's/Promoters (os/ns) if they have felt the pinch so to speak. I would also like to point out that the need you cite is also very real. But since, I assume, you are not part of any underrepresneted group, you would have a very difficult time understanding this view. I would suggest some serious time, in a country, where you are outnumbered 10, 20, 1000:1! (Africa for instance). I am sure that after some time, it will be very pleasing to see someone who looks like you and shares a common culture. I have been to plenty, and I do mean plenty of parties. It always suprises me to see Af. Am's go out of our way to introduce ourselves to each other. Kind of a relief to know that someone, just like you, likes the stuff you enjoy. Someone, who in all likelihood had the same experience growing up, is there with you in the same spirit in the same space. I can say it feels, more restful, and you can finally relax and get down, once you see the brown. It is difficult to describe, you just gotta walk a few miles in my shoes I guess (I know gay/lesbian brothers and sisters must feel the same when they go to a primarily het event, or female DJ's must feel the same when they see one of their own at the dex). As for it really doesn't matter...I dunno, I guess there are plenty of female DJ's and females in general who would disagree (one of the reasons YSH got started was due to lack of recognition, opps for females in the scene). The last part of your statement is quite Machiavellian, and I quote "Diversity is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged, but in the end it does not really matter so much who does a good thing, as that the thing gets done." I of course do not agree. The ends do not justify the means, message, or messenger. Respect of others is a necessity, and regard for others feelings is , IMO the only way we as a society can become more human. I now step down from the soapbox. We Pisceans have a certain need to pontificate at times. And I *DO* love to pontificate...in fact let me share some of my other views with you and others so that you too can get hip to the game...(sarcasm off!). Peace, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 13:26:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11786; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:26:39 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11770; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:26:34 -0800 Received: from well (surfpunk@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA04639 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:26:17 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:26:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Cyr Subject: The Season is upon Us To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk contrary to popular disinformation services, i am alive and well and spinning still . . . what i'm spinning is an increasingly eccentric amalgamation of all types of music into one gooey mess . . . i'm also trying to spin a web of cooperation into a series of outdoor events that would be self-supporting and occur every other Friday evening through the summer season i've spent the winter months scouting out new locations and truly believe that we could have an incredible outdoor season most of you are probably somewhat aware that i am no longer associated with the Frequency 8 party what i would like to be part of creating is a cooperative effort to create very low cost events that would showcase NEW djs mixed in with old reliables my thought is that parties would go from 11 to 7 and that a lot of people would be involved in organizing, schlepping, maintaining a vibe and cleaning up afterwards ultimately this consortium of like minded hipsters would make the sacred pilgrimage to Burning Man and set up our very own mega camp if you are interested in this venture (no previous experience necessary) please e-mail me privately (surfpunk@well.com) interested djs should send demo tapes to P.O. Box 313, Stinson Beach, Ca. 94970 I hope we can have an initial planning meeting on the 17th or 18th of this month with an initial OUTING to be held on the vernal equinox! Thanx for your attention and looking forward to the unfolding season in the sun (or light of the moon and stars) Jim Cyr From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 14:10:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA16170; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:10:20 -0800 Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA16159; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:10:17 -0800 Received: from inanna.ccnet.com (h97-157.ccnet.com [192.215.97.157]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA07171; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:05:41 -0800 Message-ID: <31435467.3BA8@ccnet.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:15:03 -0800 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Starchild CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Grope party, Anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Starchild, If you still feel that it is such a compliment to be groped and that others should possibly feel that way, perhaps there should be a posting outside the door of the next rave proclaiming: "You will be groped by people you don't know inside, be cool, and accept it as a compliment, PLUR!" I think it would be more honest to just have a private groping party. Anyone? D. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 14:19:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17473; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:19:29 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17467; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:19:26 -0800 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA07441 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:19:03 -0800 Received: (from sidewalk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA06907; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:13:04 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy McIntyre Subject: Re: BM Winnebego responses !!! To: "'Dave Bayer'" cc: "\\SFRaves\\" In-Reply-To: <96Mar7.095523pst.2154@godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, 'Dave Bayer' wrote: > I hope this year, rave camp [won't] be a motor home of RVs.The two Organic > brought up last year had such an odd feel to them out there. I don't > know. There is somthing about going out to the playa, where you can > experience something and not sit in an air conditioned portable piece of > the city. Then again, maybe those experiences aren't for everyone or > maybe people just don't want to experience them because mechinized > comfort has engrained itself so well in our culture. > > dave > Yeah, I agree here. It seems to me that one of the biggest messages inherent to the Burning Man festival was that, even though many saw it as an escape from society, it still *was* a society. And that meant that you had to learn the meaning of community pretty quickly if you were going to make it: the golden rule becomes more pertinent when you're out in the broiling desert, as opposed to being surrounded by mechanized comfort, which I think might kind of buffer the community message. Timothy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 14:35:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA19336; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:35:46 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA19322; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:35:42 -0800 Received: from [206.123.34.132] (g34-132.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03427; Sun, 10 Mar 96 17:35:20 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:41:52 -0500 To: Diana Greer From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: Re: Grope party, Anyone? Cc: Starchild , sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 2:15 PM 3/10/96, Diana Greer wrote: >Starchild, > >If you still feel that it is such a compliment to be groped and that >others should possibly feel that way, perhaps there should be a posting >outside the door of the next rave proclaiming: > > "You will be groped by people you don't know inside, be cool, and >accept it as a compliment, PLUR!" > >I think it would be more honest to just have a private groping party. >Anyone? > >D. I'm there! I'll bring some PVC gloves for the hygiene-conscious ;) gropingly yours, brad ps-->i just found a cool word in the dictionary: "huggermugger" (noun) 1.secrecy 2.a confusion, a jumble (adv) "in a huggermugger sort of way" GO FIGURE! :) ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 15:05:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA22148; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:05:40 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22137; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:05:36 -0800 Received: from ecotopia by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id PAA25599; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:14:43 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:14:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199603102314.PAA25599@precipice.v-site.net> X-Sender: geoffw2@v-site.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Diana Greer From: geoffw@cybertribe.com (Geoff White) Subject: Re: Grope party, Anyone? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >I think it would be more honest to just have a private groping party. >Anyone? > >D. Just name the time and place, Hun, and I'll be there. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 15:52:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA25730; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:52:33 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA25725; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:52:29 -0800 Received: from [128.32.160.68] (hmfmac30.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.160.68]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA31643 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:52:25 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:51:18 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Nancy) Subject: Harmonious Experience Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I would love to hear, on this list, people's personal stories of their rave experiences. The mental and physical journey, personal and collective transcendence, the realizations and joy... What is for you the highest moment, the meaning? Harmony was, for me, such an ecstatic experience, that I'd like to share it with all of you (it still influences me despite being three weeks gone). I don't make it to parties every week-end (it is too time-, money- and energy-consuming!), so when I go it's a special occasion. This year I've been at Begin Again (pure happiness!), All in the Family (busted at 4:20am ;> !), and Harmony. I went to Harmony with a new friend, someone who I had just met and only spoken with a few times, but who definitely exudes great vibe! He was an enthusiastic raver back in the day, but had not been to a party in a year... Originally, a group of us were going, but everyone flaked, which left just me and my new, not-well-known friend. As the rave experience is an intense one, I was apprehensive to share it with someone I hadn't hung out with before. We left the East Bay late, and wouldn't be getting to the mappoint til at least midnight, for a party that was sure to sell out. I called F-8 and tickets were almost gone! I pleaded with them to set tickets aside (I've been wanting to go to a Harmony *forever*!). Taking pity on me, they agreed to despite that it would probably mean their waiting a while for =only= me, and getting to their own party later. Symbiotic rave experience #1 of the night! Thank you, F-8! We arrived at Acme. Despite the great controversy surrounding that particular location, every party I have ever been to there has been AMAZING! Acme reserves a special place in my heart, despite my wish for a bigger, better-ventilated, safer locale. We went straight to the top floor. Hard trance, yes! With my favorite d.j. Ethan spinning, and many familiar faces smiling, and hands clapping, and congos drumming, and vibe building, my friend and I whirled and stamped around for a timeless while... We then went in search of our mutual friend, let's call her "E", and retired to the chill room, to discover each other. We found many things in common - our upbringings, beliefs, values, humor - and started a friendship that remains strong now, in sobriety. I have found that deep connections I make on ecstasy remain true once we return to "reality." Sharing the ecstasy experience with someone, hours and hours of sharing, talking, and dancing, is a bonding experience that allows for an instant friendship, cutting through the slow process of conventional acquaintance. Ecstasy is often accused of producing a mindless, unauthentic closeness. I have found, though, that my E-established friendships are not indiscriminate. People I meet and hug [:)] with pure love, without having to know them first, do not become my new best friends. But those with whom I embark on a night-long adventure, in which we truly learn about each other, have become *real friends* through a shared intense experience. Maybe it's a chemical that lowers the inhibitions that keep us from other people. Maybe it's a chemical that simply causes "unnatural" happiness, making us blissfully smile at strangers. If so, so what? The experience is real, regardless of the source. The realizations that come may not be possible in our daily mindset, our closed frames of reference. Application of the realizations to our "real" lives is the bridge from the illusionary nature of a drug trip to the material reality of our lives. My friend and I parted to do some solitary explorations. I floated through the party, buoyed by a strong communal vibe, like threads connecting us all. I previously had excused the widespread use of ecstasy at parties, thinking that each trip was an individual thing, incidental to the fact of the party, which was more about the music. I suddenly realized that the purpose of a party *could* be a huge, collective, E trip! 500 people all in the exact same, loving place - and how powerful that was! Moving away from remnants of judgemental attitudes, the feeling that rampant drug use somehow invalidated the "purity" of the party, I came to see that a large gathering of people to jointly experience transcendent love is an extremely potent, and valid, thing! In fact, mass ritualized intake of hallucinagens have been part of spiritual ceremonies for millenia... In that, raving is merely this moment's manifestation of ancient knowledge, sheathed in technology for this 21st century generation.... During my journey, I caught sight of a video playing on the main floor. Flashing before my eyes were images I had never seen before, pictures of suffering in the Third World. The images were so unbelievable (people living on top of dumps in Africa, scrounging for scraps of food; starvation; prostitution; ill people ravaged, with absolutely no medical treatment; and more...) that at first I had trouble comprehending them. I had *known*, abstractly, that conditions of life were very harsh in parts of the world. But I had never really seen it! These pictures are not shown on our televisions. I had always had the vague sense that countries, despite their poverty, somehow provided for people, that there was some sort of safety net. Here was proof that human beings are existing on this planet in wretched conditions - living in Third World countries that have few, if any, resources, and whose lives consist of simply trying to subsist. I saw very clearly how *rich* our country and the West is - the vastness, plenty, the obscenity of our affluence. Westernization and industrialization have meant wealth for the few, while consigning countries that can't compete (harboring 80% of the world's population) to absolute poverty. I think these images are purposely kept from us, because it would cause people to question the economic and hierarchical system that keeps the West secure, and keeps our standard of living going, to the severe detriment of most of the world's people. I was in a very open and emotional state, and each image struck me to my core. I have many times walked past homeless and begging people, thinking, "don't bother me!" Thanks, I think, to ecstasy, I was able to *feel* each person's situation, in all of its pain and implications. I have always been progressive and concerned with social justice, but this video made me aware of just how blind, sheltered, and privileged I am, how much I really have as a "starving student." I wanted to thank the people of Harmony for having the consciousness to show this video. At first it greatly distrubed me (and caused me to worry about anyone on acid who might see those pictures!), but I am now utterly grateful for having been exposed to this, because I have a new, real awareness of the global situation. I am graduating this semester and am now considering doing aidwork in a Third World country for a while. I am a Political Science major and had previously been active for international women's rights, but had withdrawn out of frustration and resignation. This video made me see that what is important is being a witness, standing up and saying that "I see this and it is wrong!", rather than expecting an immediate change. I am now empowered to return to my concern for global human rights that I had previously thought hopeless - something I had thought was forever lost to me. After spending about an hour alone meditating on all of the above, I once again ventured into the party. I met a teen-age boy who confided in me his fears that he is becoming addicted to speed. We talked a while about drug addiction, his hopes for himself, the deadend of drug abuse. I told him that the loving and open person he is now would be lost to the paranoia of speed, and impressed on him how expanding and exciting higher education is. He found me at the end of the night and heartfully thanked me, telling me he has renewed inspiration to fight it. I also met a girl who had dropped out of school, and encouraged her to return. At 26, I felt like a rave "big-sister," but these connections were not sermons, but given and received very positively as loving knowledge. Finally I went back in a "trance" upstairs and danced for hours, ending at 7 with a group of about 50 of us getting into a great circle, all holding hands and cheering. On the way out I was allowed to take, as a souvenir, a fantastic decoration - a lovely violet fur silhouette of a teddy bear, with adorable cotton ball tail. I am sewing it onto my ravepants, so keep an eye out! ;)! We left the building, blinking in the newborn sunlight, to be sent on our way by several happy crayons, running about the parking lot and waving, "bye-bye! bye-bye!" Although my car had held only two on the way there, we crossed the Bridge back to Berkeley packed with six of us - our family had expanded. I laid in bed all the next day, recovering. Still in a beautifully open state-of-mind, I spent the whole afternoon on the phone, re-establishing deep contact with two friends who I had thought were going their own way... Thank you very much to the Harmony crew, who had put in so much time, love and effort. I have *never* seen Acme look so beautiful, with so many hand-painted signs and decorations, and so many inspirational sayings... This party was, for me, what it's all about. See you all next week at Chrysalis! Love, Nancy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 16:23:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA29038; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:23:35 -0800 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA29033; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:23:32 -0800 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA04035; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:06:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:06:04 -0800 (PST) From: Cami Edwards Subject: Re: more about women in the scene To: ecto cc: Ann Elizabeth Loraine , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all you womyn out there. The WIR list is a really cool list, though kinda quiet, we could use some more female voices. If anyone is interested mail me for the details, i.e. how to sub and stuff. Cheers*** Cami On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, ecto wrote: > At 2:29 AM 3/5/96, Ann Elizabeth Loraine wrote: > > >Record producers by and large start out as djs. If women don't start > >spinning records in larger numbers, then most of the music will be made > >by men. A situation that I would like to see get balanced out by more > >women getting into spinning records. > Good observation :) Coincidentally, there are two parties coming up > on the East Coast with All-female DJ lineups ("BITCH'N" and "Feminine > Melody,). > There ARE a lot of female DJs out there (often i don't think of > them as female though, just djs!)..here's a few of my faves: > Stroboscopic (New York), Heather Heart (Brooklyn), Miss DJAX (Holland) > > and those are only the ones that play REAL HARD :) there's also a > couple high-rankin' junglists like DJ Rap, Kemistry and Storm and others. > There is a list around, somewhere, of Female Djs and you'd be suprised at > how many there are, and the fact that they play all styles of music and > cannot simply be classified as a 'female dj' by musical taste. > There is also (last i heard) a WIR (Women In Raves) listserv going > on, i could get the info on it if anyone is interested (i can't get on it > because i am chromosonally challenged :). > Peace, > brad > > ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==================== > ectographics: print design : HTML programming > >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> > "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency > ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/================== > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 16:34:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA29991; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:34:58 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA29985; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:34:54 -0800 Received: from [] by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA09293; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:34:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199603110034.QAA09293@netcom11.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Quaker State Tapioca Rupture" Organization: Chaotic Systems, Inc. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:33:10 -0800 Subject: Fair Warning Reply-to: quaker@netcom.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Firstly I would like to say thanks to all the people who responded so warmly to my "Old Fart" posting; you made me feel so welcome, I guess I was a little overwhelmed. I would just like to give adequete fair warning to all: I dance like a total SPAZ. You have been warned. Thank you for your consideration in this matter. --Quaker State Tapioca Rupture From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 17:27:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA04525; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:27:59 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA04519; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:27:57 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA17862 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:24:28 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:24:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199603110124.RAA17862@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Origin report X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Origin report >------------- >Yukk!!! Temperatures >must have been 120 degrees and 100% humidity... >Anyway, the $20 price for such a small crowded venue is really too >much. I have to agree with Crunchy on this. It was *really* stifling, and the venue just wasn't that big. I spent the first half of the night dancing -- the music was really good, visuals were ok, lighting was pretty standard -- and the second half sitting. What saved it for me was the incredibly good vibe I got from the other people. I met so many folks!!! It was great! And I went through a whole roll of film. I'm going to go and drop off the film in a few minutes, and I can hardly wait to see how it all comes out. I also went through quite a bit of lotion 8). Still, vibe comes with the people. The part I was paying for, the venue, was really not worth $20. I left about 6:30, just before the whole thing shut down. It was light and grey out, quiet, misting rain. Very peaceful. A nice drive home, say hello to the hamstas, who were busy cleaning up after a long and excellent hamsta rave, slip between cooooold sheets, Cowboy Junkies on the stereo to sing me to sleep... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 17:58:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA06958; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:58:39 -0800 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06953; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:58:37 -0800 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id RAA28895; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:58:29 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199603110158.RAA28895@netcom15.netcom.com> Subject: GV2U ( no rave content ) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:58:29 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 288 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves mailist ] Good Vibes To You All !!! I got a wisdom tooth removed Thursday afternoon , and haven't been in a 100% cheery mood until today. I feel so much better now , that I just wanted to wish everyone a happy Sunday and a great week! Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 19:35:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA15109; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:35:08 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA15095; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:35:04 -0800 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA24577 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:34:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:34:32 -0500 Message-ID: <960310223431_347436006@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: PLUR Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Call me dumb or whatever but what does PLUR mean? Oh yeah Limited tickets for Basics! Limited to 800 people. PHAT line-up! Its going to be a good party. Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Mar 10 23:36:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA02718; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 23:36:11 -0800 Received: from holland.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA02713; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 23:36:09 -0800 Received: from [153.37.82.121] (pool057.Max3.Santa-Clara.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.82.121]) by holland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA10188 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 23:36:01 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 23:35:57 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: exodus@earthlink.net (Austin W) Subject: Re: Origin report Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Origin report >Anyway, we should set up a "Bad rave Alert system" where we all >should know the phone number to at least ONE SFRaver so we can >call in and report "Don't bother to come", and have that person >post it so others don't get sucked into going. > >Crunchman Wasn't that why the fire alarm was going off? (the slow flashing strob light= s) Got there at 4 herd Ani(sp?)- was alright and had a grea time during Garth's set - left to denny's and relaxd for awile. I agree way too hot in such a small venue.. __/-^-\__ <<<>>> `'\-*-/`' _@_/` ~\_e_/~ |_G_/~ O ~\_Q_ ~\_8_| _9_ ~/ }} (*) =99 /|\ (.)\, [#] ,/ }}\, \\ /| ~\/ \ _=3D=3D=3D___=3D=3D=3D_ // / \ /\/ // \\ / [___________] \\ \ / \ ~~ ~~ ~ ^ ^ ~~ ~ ~ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 06:32:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA13056; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 06:32:28 -0800 Received: from osceola.gate.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA13051; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 06:32:25 -0800 Received: from navajo.gate.net (hardware@navajo.gate.net [199.227.0.15]) by osceola.gate.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA29700; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:31:22 -0500 Received: (from hardware@localhost) by navajo.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA76922; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:28:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:28:55 -0500 (EST) From: DJ Hardware To: SFraves@hyperreal.com cc: hardware@gate.net Subject: Re: |NER| Re: Looking for bookings in march/ April / May (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Hello all SFraves Subscribers. My name is DJ Hardware and I'm the > > director of A&R at Adrenalin Records in New York. i currently live in > > South Florida where I base the A& R office for Adrenalin Records. I'm > > looking for DJ Gigs north of Florida in the USA or in North Florida where > > I have not played yet. Currently I have 5 mixed CD's out on Adrenalin > > Records in stores throught the world. They are: > > - Trip - Hop Acid Phunk vol 1 > > - Trip - Hop Acid Phunk vol 2 > > - Acid warfare vol 1 > > - House Stompin' > > - Adrenalin Hardcore Rush > > and soon - Trip-Hop Acid Phunk vol 3 : The Hard Edition > > - Electro Phunk > > - Beat Generator > > > > and a 12" single BY : DJ Hardware & DJ SHARPe called "EdgE Acid" > > With remixes by Dark side of the Shroom > > and Cotton Club > > If anyone is intrested in booking me at a club or event please contact me > > at the Adrenalin Records Offices in Florida for more information at (407) > > 495 - 9954 or the Fax number at (407) 495 - 3919 or Email me at > > hardware@gate.net. I also can be booked through Producer, Artist > > Managment at (212) 488 - 8925 or fax (212) 488 - 8315 and ask for Pam Film. > > > > Thanks for your time...... > > > > > > > > DJ HARDWARE > > ADRENALIN RECORDS > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 08:06:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA21758; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:06:18 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA21733; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:06:15 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA06496; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:05:04 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603111605.IAA06496@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: Grope party, Anyone? To: inanna@ccnet.com (Diana Greer) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:05:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: <31435467.3BA8@ccnet.com> from "Diana Greer" at Mar 10, 96 02:15:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 418 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > If you still feel that it is such a compliment to be groped and that > others should possibly feel that way, perhaps there should be a posting > outside the door of the next rave proclaiming: > ... > I think it would be more honest to just have a private groping party. > Anyone? If the party was specifically for groping, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the grope? Marisa, sex toy for the masses... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 08:09:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA22180; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:09:42 -0800 Received: from igate1.hac.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA22146; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:09:38 -0800 From: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com Received: from EDEN1.HAC.COM by igate1.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07940; Mon, 11 Mar 96 08:06:42 PST Received: from DECNET-MAIL (SCRUTON@JOYCE) by EDEN1.HAC.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #5884) id <01I27EJY7QEO001FB1@EDEN1.HAC.COM>; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:08:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:08:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: critiques, anyone? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <01I27EJY9LXE001FB1@EDEN1.HAC.COM> X-Vms-To: EDEN1::IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi. i've stashed a sample of some swooshy ambient-y stuff i've been working on for the past several months. it's 1.3 meg, stereo, 21khz WAV format, and it's crosslinked over at ultima.org, so please be gentle! itzat: http://hyperreal.com/~scruton/soundpage.html and it's the top link on the page thanks for any critique-ing and insults you may hurl my way! Dave Scruton Fractallonomy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 09:17:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA28985; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:17:46 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA28970; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:17:37 -0800 Received: from by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB01291; Mon, 11 Mar 96 12:17:23 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:23:58 -0500 To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: Re: GV2U ( no rave content ) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 5:58 PM 3/10/96, Larry Ching wrote: >[ to sfraves mailist ] > > Good Vibes To You All !!! > > I got a wisdom tooth removed Thursday afternoon , and haven't been in a >100% cheery mood until today. I feel so much better now , that I just wanted >to wish everyone a happy Sunday and a great week! > > Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com I hope you got some percocets or something. Oh my those are scary how chilled you can get with those. I got 5 (yes, five and no, i'm not a neanderthal...i think) wisdom teeth removed and the percocet along with a lot of Future Sound of London made it a more pleasurable experience. Watch out those, there is addiction potential (to percocet, FSOL is ok to be addicted to :). smiles, brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 09:20:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA29368; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:20:47 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA29348; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:20:43 -0800 Received: from [206.123.34.211] (g34-211.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01457; Mon, 11 Mar 96 12:20:15 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:26:51 -0500 To: Marisa Giancarla-Wright From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: Re: Grope party, Anyone? Cc: inanna@ccnet.com (Diana Greer), sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 8:05 AM 3/11/96, Marisa Giancarla-Wright wrote: >> If you still feel that it is such a compliment to be groped and that >> others should possibly feel that way, perhaps there should be a posting >> outside the door of the next rave proclaiming: >> ... >> I think it would be more honest to just have a private groping party. >> Anyone? > > If the party was specifically for groping, wouldn't that defeat the >purpose of the grope? Maybe it should be "All-Grope party...or maybe not" to leave the element of suprise in there (a key factor!). Or maybe disguise it as a "tupperware/ambient/grope" party so you get a more mixed crowd. :) brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 09:31:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA00620; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:31:39 -0800 Received: from igate1.hac.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA00609; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:31:34 -0800 From: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com Received: from EDEN1.HAC.COM by igate1.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14172; Mon, 11 Mar 96 09:28:39 PST Received: from DECNET-MAIL (SCRUTON@JOYCE) by EDEN1.HAC.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #5884) id <01I27HFB41AO001BNK@EDEN1.HAC.COM>; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:30:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:30:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: early ravefloyd To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <01I27HFB5N5U001BNK@EDEN1.HAC.COM> X-Vms-To: EDEN1::IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk one of pinkfloyd's first multimedia shows was done with 3d sound, and featured a movie which was shot from the lap of a wheelchair person being wheeled all over london. Dave Scruton From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 09:58:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03272; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:58:19 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA03260; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:58:15 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA208886988; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:56:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Basics &PLUR To: Jondabomb@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960310223431_347436006@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 10 Mar 1996 Jondabomb@aol.com wrote: > Call me dumb or whatever but what does PLUR mean? P * Peace L * Love U * Unity R * Respect :) > Oh yeah Limited tickets for > Basics! Limited to 800 people. PHAT line-up! Its going to be a good party. Yeah, I really want to go to this - I'm going through rave withdrawls, my last party being Harmony. Are tickets presale, or do we just have to get there early? Also, a limited # of people like that means a pretty small space, which means that 800 folks might PACK the venue, and I am sick, sick SICK of hot, humid places. That is the main reason I have been taking a small break from raving lately - I just can't handle the overcrowdedness. So if anybody has any info on Basics, please let me know! :) love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 09:59:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03389; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:59:50 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA03384; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:59:47 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA213617099; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:58:19 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:58:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: The Season is upon Us To: Jim Cyr Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oh Jim, this is MUSIC to my ears!!!! :):):):) I am *SO* looking forward to trancing hard out under the stars where I can BREATHE!!! love, Amy --------------- | _ ,/| | | '\`o O' | | =(_^_)= | Amy Starkey | |U| | sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu | | | | --------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 10:02:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA03599; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:02:10 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA03592; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:02:08 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA05752 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:01:58 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA02861; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:01:57 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23266; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:01:53 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:05:31 -0800 To: blkadder@value.net From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Gender-free bathrooms Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On 9 Mar 1996, Leslie Ayres wrote: > >> On this lovely topic.... >> >> I have no problems sharing bathrooms with men, but here's the catch ---- >>MEN PEE >> ON THE SEAT!! Why is this? If guys (and some women, I must say) could pay a >> little more attention to hitting the mark, this would surely work -- I >>mean, at >> lots of parties, there are only single restrooms, and we all use 'em - > >Probably because women have the nasty habit of leaving the seat down. ;-) > > Ducking and running for cover, > Black Adder Go man, go!!! :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 10:22:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA05524; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:22:51 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA05517; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:22:48 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA07035 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:22:23 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA04704; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:22:16 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA26976; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:22:13 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:25:49 -0800 To: Diana Greer From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Grope party, Anyone? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I think it would be more honest to just have a private groping party. >Anyone? > >D. Sounds like an orgy to me (or could easily become one)...or how 'bout this: just spend more time in the chill areas, with the heaviest e-trippers you can find! - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 10:26:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA05842; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:26:47 -0800 Received: from taurus.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA05834; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:26:42 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by taurus.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA28714; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:26:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:26:30 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@taurus To: Michele Dalessandri cc: sfraves Subject: Re: Comparison? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, My computer tells me that on 8 Mar 1996, Michele asked: > Hi everyone, > > I have a question. Recently I was reading the spirit of raving archives and > I've noticed a lot of old archives talking about how much the scene has > changed since 91/92. Has anyone out there been in the scene that long and can > you tell me what you think the differences are. Since I'm very new to the > scene I have nothing to compare it to except the Dead scene which is something > altogether different. Is the energy that much more negative now? Has time > corrupted it? I'd love to hear what your perspective is. I'd say the scene has changed somewhat. My first rave/E trip/techno experience was New Years Eve, the end of 1991. I'd been reading/hearing about raves since around the summer of '91, and from what I heard I knew immediately that it was something I wanted to be involved with. I didn't have that much idea what it was like though; for me, the main attraction was the new technology -- many of the early parties featured virtual reality machines, which at that time were very new and most people had not seen or tried. In fact, most people hadn't HEARD of VR. When I went to that first New Year's Eve Toon Town, VR was among the chief reasons. Ironically, my friend talked me into taking this new "Exstasy" drug, and I had such a blast I forgot all about virtual reality. :) Anyway, this is straying pretty far from Michelle's question. What I miss most about that time ('91-'92) is the sense of creating something new and untried. The original scene was a fusion of high-tech cyber-nerd types and club kids, and I think it has shifted much more in the direction of club kids, where the focus is now primarily on music and dance rather than creating a weird environment with high-tech novelties. Back when I first started going to parties, the experience was new for most of us, and thus more exciting. Sometimes it is difficult to sustain the same sense of excitement and wonder proper for a really good vibe. This means that it is essential to the vitality of the scene that we continually bring new people into it, people with fresh energy and a fresh perspective. I still enjoy going to parties, but I think they have become "formula" to some extent. This doesn't have to be. Promoters could be more experimental -- not just booking different DJs, but changing the whole atmosphere of the party/event. Parties with foam, underwear parties, the Internet invasion of England that Megatripolis put on, CyberForum (panel discussion with promoters, DJs, etc.), the party called Mile High a couple years back that took place at the top of the St. Francis Hotel, the Basics bus trip to Seattle, the boat parties on the bay, the "spiritual mass" at Grace Cathedral, the creation of SFRaves and the full moon parties are a few examples of some of the creative things that have been done. All of these things happened or began some time ago, you will note, which is an indication that the scene right now is not as fresh and vibrant as it could be. Still great fun though, which is what's most important. I'd just like to see it get even better. Anyway, those are just a few thoughts on "then and now". Much love, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 10:41:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA07108; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:41:47 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA07069; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:41:13 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA08191 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:40:46 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA06301; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:40:45 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00888; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:40:42 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:44:22 -0800 To: Jondabomb@aol.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: PLUR Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Call me dumb or whatever but what does PLUR mean? Read & head, my brother! PLUR means everything! First, as I've learned from those who know: Peace Love Unity Respect These are as vital to life as air & water, as strong as earth and as energetic as fire! It means living by the Golden Rule, embracing diversity, dropping knowledge when we feel it will help a brother or a sister. It means embracing everyone as a family, and for me fuels my joy-radiating furnace, which is perpetually set on full blast. That's some of what PLUR means to me. :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 10:47:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA07594; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:47:20 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA07583; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:47:16 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA06805 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:45:49 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603111845.KAA06805@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Help me to avoid a no-no... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:45:49 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 371 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I keep seeing a lot of msgs relating to people dropping E, but I haven't seen anything that seemed to refer to acid. Would I be committing some kind of bay-area social faux pas by tripping on acid and not E? From everything I have heard about E it really sounds like a drug I wouldn't be interested in and for me tripping complements raving nicely... Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 10:54:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA08240; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:54:57 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA08231; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:54:53 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA09207 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:54:39 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07549; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:54:38 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03456; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:54:35 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:58:12 -0800 To: Amy R Starkey From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Comparison? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Amy, I don't know why, but people keep asking me about Evolution. It's on the sfraves calendar. Anyway, my friend Kirsten hipped me to it first, wanting to know about the djs' styles. I got the 411 and passed it to her. Evolution will be this Friday night, 3/15/96, the Ides of March! DJs will be Jeno, DJ Dan, Mark Farina, Barry Weaver, Rob Vaughan, Karizma, DLX. Info lines are: 800.204.3986 415.437.5503 408.345.2399 510.464.4677 916.484.4006 I stongly urge everyone to attend. Feedback is that the djs will be awesome, and it's been two weekends without parties for me, so I'm sooooo ready! I've got BIG hugz & smiles reserved for everyone! - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 10:55:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA08386; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:55:50 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA08381; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:55:46 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.137.104]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA15686 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:26:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:26:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199603111826.KAA15686@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Grope party, Anyone? X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Maybe it should be "All-Grope party...or maybe not" to leave the >element of suprise in there (a key factor!). Or maybe disguise it as a >"tupperware/ambient/grope" party so you get a more mixed crowd. :) "And our new CD storage bowls are stackable. They're designed to keep your CDs sounding fresh. They feature the standard 'burp-tab' and come in this lovely assortment of colors and -- WHOOO! Oh my um... that's my crotch you're holding... no, no, you don't have to let it go... in fact I'd like to compliment on your firm but gentle grip..." S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 11:15:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA10789; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:15:32 -0800 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA10779; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:15:28 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id LAA01951; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:15:15 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:15:19 -0800 To: Marisa Giancarla-Wright , sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) From: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo) Subject: Re: Help me to avoid a no-no..NO! NO! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:45 AM 3/11/96, Marisa Giancarla-Wright wrote: > I keep seeing a lot of msgs relating to people dropping E, but I >haven't Once again...this news group is about RAVING! It's not a forum for drugs, drugs discussion, or drug use. Drugs and raving are two seperate thing and should be treated as such, ESPECIALLY in open forums such as this newsgroup. I don't mean to shout Marisa, but please understand that there are newsgroups and times and places for everything, including frank discussions about drugs, but this newsgroup wasn't set up for that. That's my peace... Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 11:19:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA11353; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:19:08 -0800 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA11347; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:19:03 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA19388; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:18:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: <960311141830_443571555@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: nancys@uclink4.berkeley.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Harmonious Experience Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Right on Nancy, I share your opinions on those images, I think it was Tim that projected those images, Kudos for having the (insert proper word here). We have much in common, I don't get out much either, that was the last party I've been too, and I loved it. Keep your motivation sky high baby! Much respect to ya! Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 11:28:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA12729; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:28:36 -0800 Received: from mh1.well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA12721; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:28:32 -0800 Received: from [153.36.85.86] (Cust22.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.85.86]) by mh1.well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18812; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:28:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199603111928.LAA18812@mh1.well.com> X-Sender: crunch@mail.well.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:28:46 +1000 To: w p risenhoover From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Origin report Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Crunchy, > >> Anyway, we should set up a "Bad rave Alert system" where we all >> should know the phone number to at least ONE SFRaver so we can >> call in and report "Don't bother to come", and have that person >> post it so others don't get sucked into going. > >i'm sure hypperreal would do it, but if not, i'll offer some space >for the "rave report." i think you've seen my site, but for those >that haven't: http://www.x-radio.com/x-radio/ > >best, >pauly What we need is someone we can call from the party in question who can take down the info and post it to SFRaves before other people trek out there. I would do it but I don't hve a car, and always have to leave several hour earlier. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 11:37:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA13906; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:37:53 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA13875; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:37:35 -0800 Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com (root@ccnet.ccnet.com [192.215.96.2]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA04161 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from inanna.ccnet.com (h97-169.ccnet.com [192.215.97.169]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA04418; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:27:11 -0800 Message-ID: <314480D7.51B2@ccnet.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:36:55 -0800 From: Diana Greer Organization: The Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ecto CC: Marisa Giancarla-Wright , sfraves Subject: Re: Grope party, Anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Marisa, I do not think that a Grope Party would defeat the purpose at all. Just because you attend a groping party, it won't gaurantee that others will want to grope you. However, I believe that the number of women at the party would twice exceed the number of men at the party. Boo Hoo Perhaps we should have a counter at the door? Still figuring this out Diana From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 11:47:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA15212; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:47:54 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA15206; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:47:51 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id LAA09058; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:47:16 -0800 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <199603111947.LAA09058@netcom21.netcom.com> Subject: Re: GV2U ( no rave content ) (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:47:16 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 996 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Precedence: bulk > > At 5:58 PM 3/10/96, Larry Ching wrote: > >[ to sfraves mailist ] > > > > Good Vibes To You All !!! > > > > I got a wisdom tooth removed Thursday afternoon , and haven't been in a > >100% cheery mood until today. I feel so much better now , that I just wanted > >to wish everyone a happy Sunday and a great week! > > Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com > > I hope you got some percocets or something. Oh my those are scary > how chilled you can get with those. I got 5 (yes, five and no, i'm not a > neanderthal...i think) wisdom teeth removed and the percocet along with a > ... > brad Hey, I had five wisdom teeth too! I thought I was the choosen one. I had the one extra pulled and it obviously has some kind of weird inscriptions on it. I believe it's my orders from the aliens, but I already know what they are anyway, so I don't really need to decifer it. You didn't just toss away your orders, did you??? :) -Darrel Etter darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 12:09:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA17436; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:09:00 -0800 Received: from alink-gw.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA17394; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:08:56 -0800 Received: from federal-excess.apple.com by alink-gw.apple.com with SMTP (921113.SGI.UNSUPPORTED_PROTOTYPE/7-Oct-1993-eef) id AA07519; Mon, 11 Mar 96 12:08:21 -0800 for sfraves@hyperreal.com Received: from powertalk.apple.com (A17-202-12-200.apple.com [17.202.12.200]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA24869 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:07:02 -0800 Message-Id: Date: 11 Mar 1996 12:10:49 -0800 From: "Doug Hill" Subject: Re: Help me to avoid a no-no... To: "sfraves" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-PS 3.0.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If you've been to raves in the SF area, then I'm surprised if you haven't seen acid all over the place. I frequently have people come up to me ask if I have any, because I have a thick beard so people think I'm a hippy... I guess that's the round-about way of saying that psychedelic use of all kinds are relevent and prevalent at raves. Have fun! doug -- one of the last human beings without a .sig ------ From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright, Mon, Mar 11, 1996 ------ >Hi! > I keep seeing a lot of msgs relating to people dropping E, but I haven't >seen anything that seemed to refer to acid. Would I be committing some kind of >bay-area social faux pas by tripping on acid and not E? From everything I >have heard about E it really sounds like a drug I wouldn't be interested in >and for me tripping complements raving nicely... > Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 12:10:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA17678; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:10:49 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA17671; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:10:46 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA19914 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:14:01 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9603111214.ZM19912@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:14:00 -0800 MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: FOR SALE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk stanton dual cd player. -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ san francisco \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ /organic online, inc. \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 -- analog synthesis -- chaotic good -- the internet is my ashtray From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 12:12:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA17881; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:12:53 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA17866; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:12:48 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA13793 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:12:03 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA14492; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:12:02 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA18150; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:11:59 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:15:35 -0800 To: Diana Greer From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Grope party, Anyone? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So, just what does one wear to such a party, anyway? (Should never have tossed out those black '80s parachute pants; you know, the ones with all the zippers...AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!) What a frieghening though THAT was! :) - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 12:16:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA18233; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:16:43 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA18225; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:16:39 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA07023; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:15:36 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603112015.MAA07023@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: Help me to avoid a no-no..NO! NO! To: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:15:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: from "Tony Rotundo" at Mar 11, 96 11:15:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 645 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Tony, > Once again...this news group is about RAVING! It's not a forum for drugs, > drugs discussion, or drug use. Drugs and raving are two seperate thing and I am aware of that, and saw the whole thread a month or so ago on the subject. > newsgroup. I don't mean to shout Marisa, but please understand that there > are newsgroups and times and places for everything, including frank > discussions about drugs, but this newsgroup wasn't set up for that. Except if you read my message you would see I was writing because I didn't want to do something unacceptable at a rave. Seems pretty much on-topic for the list to me... Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 12:20:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA18590; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:20:54 -0800 Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA18581; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:20:50 -0800 From: Jeffrey_Coons@ccmail.rsco.com Received: from ccmail.rsco.com by relay1.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA08510; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:20:32 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.rsco.com id AA826575606; Mon, 11 Mar 96 12:03:13 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 12:03:13 PST Message-Id: <9602118265.AA826575606@ccmail.rsco.com> To: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re[2]: Help me to avoid a no-no..NO! NO! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Subject: Re: Help me to avoid a no-no..NO! NO! Author: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo) at INTERNET Date: 3/11/96 11:49 AM wrote: > but this newsgroup wasn't set up for that. are you the gatekeeper of the forum? Did you start this forum, do you own it? Are those the rules as stated by you? If so, then by all means lay down the rules as to what is to not be discussed. But if not, let people write about what ever they feel raving is about. Raving *does* have a lot to do with drug use for many people. raving has a lot to do with music for many people. raving has a lot to do with lasers and lights for many people. raving has a lot to do with friends and people for many people. Raving has a lot to do with spirtuality for many people. Raving has a lot to do with getting fucked-up on mind/body altering illegal/legal substances for many people. Just cause peoples posts about raves isn't what YOU think Raving is/should be doesn't mean it isn't. Personally i want to hear about everything including peoples experiences both good/bad or indifferent regarding the music/djs/spaces/heat/crowds/drugs/friends/whatever! The posts are both entertaining and educational. If you dont like a post, i remind you there is the "DELETE" key on most keyboards these days. -enjoy the difference and dont take it so seriously, jc ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Help me to avoid a no-no..NO! NO! Author: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo) at INTERNET Date: 3/11/96 11:49 AM At 10:45 AM 3/11/96, Marisa Giancarla-Wright wrote: > I keep seeing a lot of msgs relating to people dropping E, but I >haven't Once again...this news group is about RAVING! It's not a forum for drugs, drugs discussion, or drug use. Drugs and raving are two seperate thing and should be treated as such, ESPECIALLY in open forums such as this newsgroup. I don't mean to shout Marisa, but please understand that there are newsgroups and times and places for everything, including frank discussions about drugs, but this newsgroup wasn't set up for that. That's my peace... Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 12:32:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA19748; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:32:00 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA19738; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:31:56 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA14863 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:31:43 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA15965; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:31:41 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA21134; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:31:36 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:35:12 -0800 To: Marisa Giancarla-Wright From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Help me to avoid a no-no..NO! NO! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> >Tony, > >> Once again...this news group is about RAVING! It's not a forum for drugs, >> drugs discussion, or drug use. Drugs and raving are two seperate thing and > I am aware of that, and saw the whole thread a month or so ago on >the subject. > >> newsgroup. I don't mean to shout Marisa, but please understand that there >> are newsgroups and times and places for everything, including frank >> discussions about drugs, but this newsgroup wasn't set up for that. > Except if you read my message you would see I was writing because I >didn't want to do something unacceptable at a rave. Seems pretty much on-topic >for the list to me... > > Marisa You're completely right, Marisa! - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 12:33:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA19910; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:33:55 -0800 Received: from psiwa5.Syntex.Com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA19902; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:33:52 -0800 Received: (from marisaw@localhost) by psiwa5.Syntex.Com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA07111; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:32:13 -0800 From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright Message-Id: <199603112032.MAA07111@psiwa5.Syntex.Com> Subject: Re: Help me to avoid a no-no... To: doug_hill@powertalk.apple.com (Doug Hill) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:32:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) In-Reply-To: from "Doug Hill" at Mar 11, 96 12:10:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 217 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Doug, > I guess that's the round-about way of saying that psychedelic use of all kinds > are relevent and prevalent at raves. Thanks, that's what I was wondering. I didn't want to seem too "square" ;-) Marisa From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Mar 11 12:36:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA20084; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:36:12 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA20078; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:36:08 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA15154 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:35:58 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA16323; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:35:57 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA21839; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:35:52 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:39:28 -0800 To: "Doug Hill" From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Help me to avoid a no-no... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Add to this that SF is where the whole acid big bang occurred, just 30-odd short years ago. "Never had it, never will", - E >If you've been to raves in the SF area, then I'm surprised if you haven't seen >acid all over the place. I frequently have people come up to me ask if I have >any, because I have a thick beard so people think I'm a hippy... > >I guess that's the round-about way of saying that psychedelic use of all kinds >are relevent and prevalent at raves. > >Have fun! > >doug >-- one of the last human beings without a .sig > > ------ From: Marisa Giancarla-Wright, Mon, Mar 11, 1996 ------ >>Hi! > >> I keep seeing a lot of msgs relating to people dropping E, but I >>haven't >>seen anything that seemed to refer to acid. Would